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Back in November I published a long column discussing the results of the 2018 midterm elections and then a couple of weeks ago I also released a private letter I’d distributed to prominent figures in the Alt-Right movement back in 2017, suggesting some of the ways that their public positions had severely damaged their credibility and injured their nascent political movement.

Immigration and the closely-related issue of Hispanic crime were important elements of both my pieces, so perhaps I shouldn’t have been surprised that I provoked such an enormous outpouring of (mostly hostile) responses, now totaling well over 3,000 comments and nearly 500,000(!) words. The bitter immigration dispute between President Donald Trump and the new Democratic Congress has already produced the longest federal government shut-down in American history, so this controversial subject has certainly reached the absolute center of the American political stage.

Unfortunately, I believe that there are few other topics in which such severe misinformation, often of an emotionally charged nature, has so totally contaminated the political debate, sometimes on both sides of the controversy. Given this situation, I’ve decided to provide a general summary of what I see as some of the crucial facts together with my analysis.

 

The dismal state of factual misinformation widespread within the anti-immigration community is best illustrated by a single striking example. Among such individuals, no piece of American legislation is as fiercely condemned as the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act, routinely denounced as the law that destroyed our country by opening the floodgates to the influx of countless millions of non-white Third Worlders, thereby dooming America to eventual white-minority status. These critics often single out Ted Kennedy as the particular villain behind this policy, even though he had only just reached the Senate a couple of years earlier, and as a very junior member played only a relatively minor role in enacting this statute.

This supposed impact of the 1965 Act certainly possesses superficial plausibility. The measure was widely advertised as a loosening of our strict immigration quotas of the 1920s and non-white immigration did enormously increase in the decades that followed. Largely as a consequence of the latter, America’s white population declined from 84% to just 62% between 1965 and 2015, with our rapidly-growing Latino population now reaching 18% of the total. Today more than half of young American children are non-white, and within a couple of decades whites will have become a minority of our entire population, a situation that would have been absolutely unimaginable back in 1965. Indeed, the careful demographers of the Pew Research Center have determined that the overwhelming majority of these racial changes have been due to post-1965 immigration, without which America would still be 75% white today. Since 1965 our non-white population has grown by 86 million, but 60 million of that increase has been due to immigration, overwhelmingly from Latin America and the Caribbean.

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Given these undeniable statistics, I would guess that 99% of anti-immigration activists currently believe that the 1965 Immigration Act was responsible for opening our borders and thereby destroying white-majority America. Ann Coulter’s best-selling screed Adios America! is filled with ferocious attacks against the 1965 Act and Sen. Ted Kennedy on exactly these grounds.

Unfortunately, all these individuals have the facts exactly backwards and upside-down. The 1965 Act didn’t OPEN America’s borders, instead it largely CLOSED America’s borders.

The history is very simple. Prior to the 1920s, America allowed unlimited immigration from Europe and Latin America. Then the 1924 Immigration Act sharply restricted European immigration, but retained an “open borders” policy toward Latin America and the rest of the Western Hemisphere, largely because Southwestern business interests desired an unrestricted supply of Mexican labor. This only changed with the 1965 Act, which for the first time imposed strict quotas upon immigration from Latin America and the Caribbean even as it loosened restrictions upon European and Asian immigration. Prior to 1965, any Latin American who paid a small fee at the border, generally in the range of $18, could legally immigrate to America with almost no waiting period. Immigration had remained low merely because Mexico and most of Latin America had traditionally been under-populated.

The huge rise in Latin American immigration after 1965 was due to the enormous population growth in that region and came in spite of the 1965 Act rather because of it.

If Congress had never passed the 1965 Act, illegal immigration would never have become an issue because legal immigration from Latin America would have remained entirely unlimited. I suspect that the influx of legal Hispanics might have reached 5 million per year by the 1990s, and perhaps the entire impoverished population of Haiti would have relocated to our shores. Immigration over the last fifty years has increased our non-white population by some 60 million, but without the sharp restrictions of the 1965 Act, the figure would surely have been 120 million or perhaps even 180 million. Such a scenario can hardly be viewed with favor by racially-focused immigration-restrictionists.

This gigantic factual error at the core of the anti-immigration movement was almost certainly unintentional. Presumably, some early activist 25 or 30 years ago was careless and made an honest mistake regarding the legal details of the 1965 Act, a mistake that soon got into widespread circulation. Since that time, many thousands of other immigration-activists have quoted and requoted that initial blunder across the Internet, until almost everyone in this insular ideological community has come to believe it.

Anyone can make a mistake, but the fact that this misinformation has remained so widespread for so many years suggests the rather unreliable quality of most anti-immigration sources across the Internet.

Indeed, for the last dozen years or so, I’ve periodically brought this serious error to the attention of various anti-immigration websites. They’ve checked the facts, said Oops!, and immediately discontinued their incessant attacks against the 1965 Act and Teddy Kennedy. But they obviously couldn’t take down the hundreds of pieces they had already published on the subject, nor could they publicly admit their longstanding error without looking ridiculous, so almost none of their readers or peers become aware of the correction, and the denunciations of the 1965 Act in their community continue almost unabated. Sometimes after a few years, these websites even return to attacking the 1965 Act themselves, as less well-informed contributors join or the peer-pressure simply becomes too strong.

 

When we recognize that almost all of today’s anti-immigration activists have spent decades looking at our central immigration legislation of the last half-century upside-down, we should not be surprised to discover that other erroneous beliefs are also widespread in that community, and some of these have far greater practical political significance. The enormous support for “building a wall” to stop illegal immigration is perhaps the best example.

First, if we exclude a relatively small portion of the most highly-skilled legal immigrants, the remainder are probably not all that different in their characteristics from their undocumented counterparts, and indeed individuals may often shift back and forth between these two categories over time, as illegals gain green cards or legals remain here after their temporary visas expire. The ubiquitous rhetorical focus on illegal immigrants seems mostly due to a mixture of “political correctness” and political demagoguery, supplemented by sheer ignorance.

According to most estimates, the size of America’s undocumented population has been almost entirely stagnant since the 2008 Housing Meltdown wrecked employment in the construction industry, while net legal immigration has still regularly been running at a million or more a year. Therefore, it seems likely that nearly all net immigration over the last decade or so has been of the legal variety.

Now there are numerous plausible reasons to argue that immigration levels are far too high and should be substantially reduced, but if nearly all the flow is legal, the near-exclusive focus on the sliver of illegals makes absolutely no sense.

The signature issue of Trump’s populist campaign was building a wall across our border to block illegal immigration, and America has now endured our longest federal government shut-down over funding this proposal. But as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, even if we built such a wall 700 feet tall and fronted with self-firing machine-guns, I fail to see how it would have any impact whatsoever on legal immigration, which is probably over 95% of the total. Government policies based upon sheer ignorance and stupidity are hardly likely to be successful.

When I’ve periodically raised some of these points in the past, agitated rightwingers have sometimes angrily denounced me, though without offering any logical counter-argument. But under the circumstances, perhaps I should provide an additional source that may possess greater credibility in such ideological circles.

Despite having been totally “deplatformed” from all normal Internet services, the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer still apparently gets more traffic than all the other Alt-Right websites in the world combined, and its editor, Andrew Anglin, is an ardent Trump supporter. Nevertheless, he recently ran a lead editorial in which he ridiculed the whole “Build the Wall” nonsense, and correctly suggested that all the talk about it was largely due to the totally brainwashed stupidity of most anti-immigration rightwingers:

We currently have a million people coming in every year through the various “legal” methods who do not leave and are often given citizenship…People are stupid in general, and most simply do not understand that the real threat to America is legal immigration…

The wall is largely a symbolic gesture in the larger scheme of things, and speaks to the absolutely brainwashed nature of the mass of conservatives who believe that legal immigration is “okay.”

I remember before Trump having these conversations in Columbus, Ohio, and hearing people say “it’s the illegals that’s the problem” and replying “well what about all these Somalians?” People would look confused for a minute and then say “aren’t they illegal?”

Hearing them talk about “I just want it to be legal” is infuriating, as they do not have any clear explanation as to why they believe this, and the fact that there is virtually no difference between the two allows liberals to exploit their inability to explain a difference and make them look stupid.

 

Major political struggles are often decided by a battle of “competing incompetence” and if our anti-immigration movement is handicapped by being woefully ignorant and innumerate, it possesses the distinct advantage that many of its leading opponents—whose ideas permeate our ruling elites—are downright insane.

This unfortunate fact was brought home to me a few years ago when I was invited to participate in a televised Intelligence Squared immigration debate held in New York City. For two decades my writings and political activity had established me as one of the foremost pro-immigrant voices in public policy circles, but the contours of the elite ideological landscape had so radically shifted that I was actually enlisted to take the anti-immigration side of the question, joined by the co-founder of the eminently pro-immigrant Migration Policy Institute.

The proposition under debate was that “Anyone Should be Able to Take a Job Anywhere,” namely that America and the rest of the world should adopt the extreme libertarian doctrine of eliminating all restrictions on the free movement of workers.

When I was first approached about participating, I thought the whole proposal so ridiculous that the organizers would have a very difficult time locating anyone to take the other side, but I was entirely mistaken. Not only had they easily located prominent advocates, but the introductory remarks of the chairman of the forum suggested that he was surprised that anyone could seriously oppose such an “Open Borders” proposal. Indeed, the initial polling of the New York City audience showed a wide margin in favor.

However, ninety minutes later the situation had entirely changed. Once I and my equally pro-immigrant debate partner had pointed out the obvious lunacy in opening our borders to the unlimited influx of foreign workers, the proposition was soundly defeated, with the swing in votes being the largest of any ever seen in the history of that longstanding public debate series.

The inescapable conclusion is that the elite New Yorkers in that audience had lived their entire lives scrupulously insulated from any plausible arguments critical of high immigration levels. Indeed, in a previous article I had noted that our presidential candidates sometimes seemed likewise hermetically sealed in a bubble of immigration insanity:

As an extreme example of the bizarre ideological views of our current political elites, consider a less-publicized element of the immigration reform plan that President George W. Bush trumpeted during his 2004 reelection campaign. This provision would have allowed any foreigner anywhere in the world to legally immigrate to America if he accepted a minimum-wage job that no American were willing to fill, an utterly insane proposal which would have effectively transformed America’s minimum wage into its maximum wage. Naturally his opponent, Sen. John Kerry, saw absolutely nothing wrong with this idea, though he did criticize various other aspects of Bush’s immigration plan as being somewhat mean-spirited.

Under such circumstances one would naturally think that critics of current immigration policy would have a very easy time winning the policy debate. But this is obviously not the case as we have seen from the November election results and most public opinion polls and the reasons may be suggested in the following brief political allegory I’ve sometimes presented.

I assume that there are government regulations limiting the number of passengers on a commercial bus. But suppose the bus companies all got together and after doing some market research, decided they could make more money if they packed their passengers in like sardines.

So they hired some thinktankers and consultants to start an “Open Doors” movement, denouncing the horrifying unfairness of closing bus doors to passengers who wanted to get on. Indeed, they viciously attacked their opponents as being “anti-people” since they were trying to prevent more people from getting on buses.

Naturally, their opponents fought back. But suppose the loudest activists claimed that if you put too many people on a bus, they’d all turn into werewolves and a massive wave of brutal killings would result.

The entire bus policy debate would be diverted into the question of whether werewolves actually existed and whether crowded buses might induce widespread lycanthropy. Under such a scenario, I think the “Open Doors” side would probably win, especially if they had so much more money for buying media ads and bribing politicians.

 

A national policy debate over whether immigration levels are much too high is long overdue. Instead, Donald Trump together with his political advisers and activist allies have sparked a heated battle over whether hordes of Mexican “rapists and killers” are illegally swarming across our border and we must build a wall to stop them. As a direct consequence, the supposedly horrific threat of immigrant and especially Hispanic crime has become a staple theme of rightwing pundits over the last couple of years. The awesome stupidity of this political strategy is a remarkable thing to behold.

Just as in the case of their topsy-turvy misunderstanding of the 1965 Immigration Act, I tend to believe that most of these factual errors by rightwing activists are rooted in simple incompetence rather than deliberate dishonesty. The climate of “political correctness” enforced upon our journalists and academic scholars on racially-charged issues such as crime tend to suppress any candid discussion of the facts, and in such a climate of silence, wild rumors and misunderstood statistics can easily propagate among ideological groups that have grown highly suspicious of the mainstream media narrative.

Partly in hopes of rectifying this sort of confusion, back in 2010 I had published a careful analysis of Hispanic crime rates, and although none of my methodology seemed especially remarkable, my findings provoked quite a lot of attention both from anti-immigration advocates and a number of mainstream journalists. Indeed, an indication of the near-total vacuum of serious discussion on this important topic is that even after nearly a decade, my article still generally ranks at or near the top of the many tens of millions of search results whenever anyone googles “Hispanic crime” or “Latino crime.”

A few weeks ago I recapitulated some of these findings along with various others while speaking at a Ron Paul-related conference in the Houston area.

Two of the most important points I made in my crime analysis were very simple ones.

First, regardless of all other factors, criminal activity has always been concentrated among relatively youthful males, and the age-distributions of Hispanics and (non-Hispanic) whites are quite different. Hispanics have a median age in their late 20s, putting them near the peak of their highest-crime years, while the median age of whites is in the mid-40s, meaning that a large majority are past the likely age for committing serious crimes. Therefore, all measures of criminal activity, such as incarceration rates, should be adjusted to the size of the high-crime-age male cohort. This allows us to properly estimate the relative crime rates of Hispanics and whites of the same age.

It is also very important to recognize that federal incarceration statistics severely distort ethnic estimates of American criminality. Nearly all ordinary crimes such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, arson, and theft are prosecuted in state courts and those convicted are sent to state prisons or local jails, and these contain 90% of criminal offenders. Meanwhile, half of all federal arrests are for immigration violations, and non-resident foreigners caught smuggling drugs at the border also receive federal sentences. Rep. Steve King of Iowa has long been a zealous critic of illegal immigrants and their supposedly high crime rates, and apparently under his prodding, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued a 2011 report providing the incarceration rates of non-citizens, whether legal or illegal. While roughly 4-6% of state inmates were illegal immigrants, the non-citizens held in federal prisons were a remarkable 27% of the total, with 90% of these being charged with immigration or drug violations and also roughly 90% being Hispanic.

In estimating the rates of ordinary “street crime” among different groups, we would obviously want to exclude illegal nannies arrested for illegal nannying and non-resident Mexicans caught smuggling drugs at the border, so my 2010 analysis excluded federal prisons while adjusting these ethnic incarceration rates by the size of the high-crime-age male population. Based on this methodology, I derived the following results:

Although ordinary police reports sometimes conflate ethnicity with race, and report Hispanics as white, this is certainly not the case with large state prison systems, given the severe problems they face with racially-based gang violence, so these figures should be regarded as highly reliable. Obviously, the white and Hispanic incarceration rates are actually quite close, while the black figures are an extreme outlier.

Many of my findings were also confirmed from other sources. For example, I later discovered that PPIC, California’s leading think-tank, had published a detailed 2006 analysis of ethnic incarceration rates in California, and contained age-adjusted incarceration statistics very similar to my own California estimates, an important result since California by itself contains a substantial fraction of America’s entire Hispanic population; a 2018 PPIC follow-up study provided roughly similar results. The national rise of the Black Lives Matter movement prompted California’s very liberal State Legislature to require the state Attorney General to publish exact statistics on racial/ethnic arrest rates for all crime categories throughout the state, and the most recent 2015 report showed that the racial distribution of violent crime arrests also followed a very similar pattern. I believe that all available evidence over the last decade has fully supported the conclusions in my 2010 Hispanic Crime article.

Then in 2013, I also published a longer and more comprehensive analysis of urban crime rates in America, one that provided a very candid analysis of the racial patterns these followed, and suggested the powerful, subterranean roles these realities had probably played in quietly shaping numerous seemingly unrelated political decisions, notably including immigration policy.

One of my most striking results was that over the last twenty-five years, there had been an exceptionally strong and growing relationship across all our major cities between the fraction of its black population and the rates of both violent crime and homicide.

In discussing these findings, I went on to note:

It is important to recognize that within the world of academic sociology discovering an important correlation in the range of 0.80 or above is quite remarkable, almost extraordinary. And even these correlations between black population prevalence and urban crime rates may actually tend to significantly understate the reality. All these correlations were performed on a city-wide aggregate basis. The New York City numbers include both the Upper East Side and Brownsville, Los Angeles both Bel Air and Watts, Chicago the Gold Coast and Englewood, with each city’s totals averaging those of both the wealthiest and the most dangerous districts. This crude methodology tends to obscure the local pattern of crime, which usually varies tremendously between different areas, often roughly corresponding to the lines of racial segregation. It is hardly a secret that impoverished black areas do have far higher crime rates than affluent white ones.

If instead we relied upon smaller geographical units such as neighborhoods, our results would be much more precise, but ethnicity data is provided by zip code while crime data is reported by precinct, so a major research undertaking would be required to match these dissimilar aggregational units for calculation purposes. However, the apparent geographical pattern of crime in these cities and most others might lead us to suspect that our national racial correlations would become substantially greater under such a more accurate approach, perhaps often reaching or even exceeding the 0.90 level. The inescapable conclusion is that local urban crime rates in America seem to be almost entirely explained by the local racial distribution.

Several of America’s most eminent social scientists were greatly impressed by these statistical results.

 

These national urban crime correlations clearly indicate that the size of the local Hispanic or immigrant population has little if any impact upon crime rates, and when I cited them, various racially-agitated rightwingers denounced me in the strongest possible terms, suggesting that I was using statistical tricks to hide the obvious reality of high Hispanic crime. In particular, they claimed that my emphasis on weighted-correlations of urban crime rates over the last quarter-century was motivated by my dishonesty, and I had deliberately failed to provide the results of multivariate regressions, which surely would have told a very different story.

Eventually, these harsh insults and accusations became so irritating that I dug up my old data and ran a dozen multivariate regressions. These naturally revealed that the P-Values for the differences between the impact of whites and Hispanics on local crime rates were statistically insignificant, just as I knew they would be.

Several other commenters attempted to rebut my analysis by citing selected portions of the 2016 research report The Color of Crime, published by Jared Taylor, one of America’s leading White Nationalists. This led me to carefully examine that study, which is conveniently available both in HTML and PDF formats. The author was Edward Rubinstein, an experienced economist, and although I might take some issue with the emphasis or presentation of some of the material, the basic data seemed quite solid and the analysis carefully prepared. Indeed, it brought to my attention several sources of useful official statistics of which I had previously been unaware. But in general, I found the contents of the report fully consistent with the findings in my own 2010 and 2013 articles.

The source of confusion for many readers had been the detailed racial crime statistics presented for New York City and Chicago, which seemed to show Hispanic crime rates far higher than what I had presented. But this merely reflected the considerable heterogeneity of the Hispanic population. Nationally, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics are Meso-American, with only a small minority being Caribbean. But this latter group had traditionally constituted the bulk of the Hispanic population in New York City and the rest of the Northeast, as well as to some extent in Chicago, and (non-Cuban) Caribbean Hispanics have generally had far higher crime rates. I had discussed this important issue and its implications at considerable length in my Hispanic Crime article:

Furthermore, contrary to official bureaucratic categories, Hispanics are hardly a monolithic ethnic group and actually exhibit large variations in their cultural traditions based on country of origin. The very low Hispanic imprisonment rate in Florida may reflect the considerable economic and social success of the Cuban community centered there. Another set of obvious outliers are the states of the Northeast, primarily the New York/New England region, in which relative Hispanic imprisonment rates generally run two to three times higher than the national Hispanic average, as shown in Chart 2. These exceptionally high Hispanic incarceration rates probably reflect the considerable social and economic difficulties long experienced by the large Puerto Rican and Dominican communities that have settled in that region.

The high incarceration rate for these Caribbean Hispanics may partially explain general perceptions of Hispanic crime rates. A large proportion of America’s intellectual, media, and political elite lives in the Northeast, in cities like New York and Boston, and if the Hispanics traditionally living in those areas have unusually high rates of criminal activity, there would be a natural if mistaken tendency to assume that this same pattern also applied to Hispanic groups throughout the country.

But outside the Northeast, the vast majority of Hispanics are Meso-American, being either from Mexico or Central America. Chart 3 summarizes the very different relative imprisonment rates for these groups by focusing on the most heavily Hispanic states outside the Northeast.

Moreover, if we consider weighted-average age-adjusted Hispanic imprisonment ratios excluding those outlying cases of the Northeastern states, we discover that the remaining figure moves into close parity with white incarceration rates. (See Chart 4.) Since Hispanics are still considerably poorer than whites, this is a striking result. Also, crime rates are always higher in densely populated urban areas than in suburbs or rural communities, and since Hispanics are three times as likely as whites to live in cities, their relatively low imprisonment rates become even more surprising.

When I provided some of simple quantitative findngs in my recent columns or their comment-threads, I naturally provoked a vast wave of angry denials, with vociferous claims that my statistics were somehow “cooked” and that Hispanics obviously had the high crime rates so widely believed in certain ideological circles. Some of these agitated individuals seemed to respond as if a central pillar of their world-view were crumbling before their very eyes.

Given this extreme reluctance to accept any of the broader statistical evidence I had offered, I added a handful of simple questions for such hostile skeptics to ponder:

  • The two most heavily Hispanic cities in America are El Paso and Santa Ana, each about 80% Hispanic. They have fairly low crime and homicide rates. The same is true for most of the other heavily or substantially Hispanic cities around the country. If Hispanics had unusually high crime rates that you believe, how would this be possible?
  • A half-century ago, Los Angeles was over 70% white and only 10% Hispanic, and today it’s 50% Hispanic and perhaps 25% white. Yet the crime and homicide rates are roughly similar. How is this possible in your mind?
  • A huge wave of immigrant Hispanics moved into East Palo Alto, the neighboring town to where I live, and as a consequence it has become overwhelmingly Hispanic. Meanwhile, the homicide rate has declined by over 95% and today both crime and homicide rates are fairly low. What’s your explanation.
  • I’ve calculated 25 years of weighted cross-correlations across all the major cities in America, and they tend to show that the presence of whites and Hispanics has approximately similar impacts upon urban crime rates. What’s your theory about why the numbers came out the way they did?

 

I believe there is absolutely overwhelming evidence that most Hispanic groups have crime rates approximately the same as those of whites of the same age, and I have obviously been irritated by the stubborn refusal of so many anti-immigration activists to accept this obvious reality. But I do believe that in most cases this position is based upon ignorance and innumeracy rather than deliberately dishonest intent. Furthermore, I feel that a great deal of the blame must be be placed upon the shoulders of our mainstream media and academic elites.

As noted above, exactly the same statistical evidence that suggests that whites and Hispanics have roughly similar crime rates also demonstrates the exceptionally high rate of black criminality, and this latter fact has surely dissuaded most journalists and scholars from publicly discussing racial crime in quantitative detail. The resulting vacuum of solid information has naturally been filled by rumor, anecdotes, and speculation, often severely skewed by ideological leanings.

Furthermore, there seems considerable evidence that over the years even many mainstream journalists have inadvertently fallen into believing the same erroneous facts as the rightwing activists they publicly denounce. This unfortunate situation was brought to my attention a few years ago during the notorious Jason Richwine Affair.

In 2013 Dr. Richwine, a prominent Heritage Foundation policy analyst, had reached the pinnacle of his career when the conservative media began widely trumpeting his research study suggesting that America’s large Hispanic immigrant population was enormously increasing our crime rates and would cost taxpayers many trillions of dollars in future welfare benefits and other government spending.

But then his critics discovered that his 2009 Harvard doctoral dissertation had focused on the supposedly very low IQs of the racial groups constituting most of our current immigrant inflow, and he argued that this doomed our country to inevitable genetic decline. An enormous national media firestorm immediately erupted and Richwine was quickly purged from all respectable conservative institutions. At the time, I discussed the controversy and its implications in a lengthy column:

My disturbing realization was that although mainstream journalists were virtually unanimous in their harsh condemnations of the embattled Heritage researcher and support for his ouster, it was readily apparent that some of them—perhaps even most of them—actually believed that Richwine was factually correct although certainly “politically incorrect.” After all, with any candid discussion of racial topics so totally taboo in our society, where would they acquire contrary information? Indeed, one of them went so far as to claim that Richwine had easily debunked my Hispanic Crime analysis, a statement I found rather amusing. As I explained at length, I was quite unimpressed with the quality of Richwine’s research, but apparently his journalistic foes found it so terrifyingly persuasive that they felt the need to transform him into an “un-person” in order to protect the public from his dangerous ideas. In effect, it appeared that many of them probably believed that Richwine needed to be destroyed not because he was wrong but because he was right.

With the racial analysis of social behavior so widely taboo and strictly policed these days by Twitter lynch-mobs, it is hardly surprising that journalists would often fall into error, and these errors would feed upon themselves. But sometimes the political consequences of such disingenuous behavior may still be quite serious.

A perfect example occurred just last week while I was engaged in a heated debate over Hispanic crime rates with the outraged commenters to my most recent article. The San Francisco Chronicle, California’s most influential newspaper, ran a major story bearing the provocative headline “Latinos account for nearly half of 172 people killed by police in California in 2017.”

Now to the liberal editors of that newspaper and activists of a similar ideological hue, such a factual statement might carry implications of brutal police violence being directed against oppressed non-whites, but I suspect that to the average American—let alone the average rightwinger—the clear implication would be that California Latinos are a particularly dangerous and violent population, constantly confronting the police and regularly being killed as a consequence. Indeed, I was a little surprised that neither Donald Trump nor Ann Coulter tweeted it out to their millions of enthusiastic followers.

However, the story carries different implications once we recognize that Latinos account for nearly half of police killings in a state in which Latinos also account for nearly half the total population. I quickly used the actual statistics buried in the text of the article to produce a simple chart displaying the ratio of police shootings and killings in California compared to the fraction of the total population, which tells a very different tale:

Obviously, the rate of Asian police shootings is extremely low, while the figures for whites and Latinos are really not so very far apart, and probably become very similar once we adjust for the much larger fraction of Latinos who are youthful males, the cohort most likely to engage in police confrontations. Meanwhile, the chart display an enormous outlying group which went unmentioned in the Chronicle headline and was therefore missed by busy individuals who depend upon glances at a major newspaper for their knowledge of the world.

The unfortunate truth is that in many situations “politically correct” mainstream media journalists and racially-focused anti-immigration activists may share a strong commonality of interests, and the dishonest practices of the former tend to reinforce the confused beliefs of the latter, with negative consequences for our society.

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  1. Thomm says:

    Oooh! RUnzie Baby is not backing down! He returned to the cauldron with guns blazing, even though the Heartiste faction is now involved!

    The truth is, his thesis is airtight, unless one is willing to try and connect the Opioid crisis to rising Hispanic presence in the US, and attribute those deaths to Hispanic delivery agents. That is a stretch, as no one is making whites take Opioids against their own agency.

    Popcorn time!

  2. JLK says:

    You’ve pretty much convinced me that the Mexican immigrants aren’t substantially more crime-prone than white Americans. However, you didn’t distinguish between different Hispanic groups (e.g. Mexican v. Caribbean) in this article as you have in some of your previous comments. Are you certain that the Central Americans from Honduras/El Salvador/Guatemala are going to be as law-abiding as the Mexicans?

    Also, if crime isn’t really the issue, what do you think is really motivating Trump and the Fox News crowd?

  3. Thomm says:

    It is quite simple :

    i) End all illegal immigration
    ii) End all unskilled legal immigration.
    iii) Abolish the H1-B visa.
    iv) Only bring in skilled immigrants who can qualify for the O-1 Visa. The O-1 has no number cap.

    Done. There should be only one type of immigration.

  4. These frequent posts comparing “Hispanic” crime to illegal immigration are a ruse. First, please provide relevant information, like illegal immigrant crime stats compared to US citizens. Latin America is not sending us their best, but their worst, their unwanted, which is why their leaders are furious that this dumping may end. If Hispanic super workers are so valuable to our economy, deporting them should benefit these poor Latin America nations. American businesses would be forced to hire poor blacks and poor Hispanics in the USA, albeit at higher wages with some benefits.

    Second, please stop suggesting that those who oppose mass immigration are racist. Most Americans would oppose mass immigration of poor whites from Ukraine or Ireland. Mass immigration crowds cities and schools, drives up social costs, damages the environment, lowers wages, and increases crime. This fact is not in dispute, so please stop suggesting that mass immigration is okay, because the Hispanic crime rate (which includes mostly US citizens) is not that high, so people should not oppose it, and if they do, it’s because they are “alt right” AKA racist!

    But if you want to see reality, the 1940 census shows Los Angeles was 86% white, and 7% Hispanic. The 2010 census shows Los Angeles is 29% white and 48% Hispanic. Now take a peak of the LAPD most wanted page.

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Look at those faces and names. This is the reality citizens know, not bar graphs showing all is well. Hispanics are less than half of the Los Angeles population, but over 80% of those sought.If illegal aliens are not in USA, they cannot commit crimes here, and it’s not comforting to know their overall crime rate is not too bad, when diluted with crime rates of Hispanic US citizens. But let us ignore the crime stat slight of hand. Mass immigration does not benefit US citizens.

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  5. onebornfree says: • Website

    This just in:

    Imagined , [no matter how heavily promoted], government-based solutions to any problem are a fantasy, a scam! They never work!

    There are, and can be, no government-based solution to the so-called immigration problem.

    Government “solutions” to any problem you care to name have never worked, and never can/will work, no matter who gets to wear “the ring of power”.

    All one has to do is look back at the historical results to date. Everywhere that governments interfere is made worse by that interference:

    Drug prohibition, “education” , healthcare, welfare, policing, national defense, the environment, roads and infrastructure, the list of failures is endless, and of course immigration is yet another problem that government has not, will not and cannot solve, ever.

    So a wall, or some new laws to supposedly limit illegal immigration, will ultimately fail, no matter who enacts the laws/builds a wall , no matter how many will supposedly guard it – and will fail, no differently from any other government program to date.

    The sooner people come to realize that government solutions for anything have never worked, and will never work, and that therefor any proposed new government “solution” to the immigration “problem” is a scam that will likewise never work, then the sooner people can start to come up with real-world effective answers to this, and other social problems.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Rags
    , @Curmudgeon
  6. M.P.R says:

    Good work. Other than you need to reexamine the entirety of the race IQ pseudoscience. Can’t be cited as true if it’s not a true science.. yet.
    Currently the main purveyors of race IQ are, white nationalists and Zionists. Interesting bedfellows.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Wizard of Oz
  7. Even if Latinos were all everything Ron Unz likes to believe, I still wouldn’t want another hundred million of them in my country. And “negative consequences for our society” is exactly the reason why.

  8. Numinous says:

    The proposition under debate was that “Anyone Should be Able to Take a Job Anywhere,” namely that America and the rest of the world should adopt the extreme libertarian doctrine of eliminating all restrictions on the free movement of workers.

    When I was first approached about participating, I thought the whole proposal so ridiculous that the organizers would have a very difficult time locating anyone to take the other side, but I was entirely mistaken.

    It’s not that ridiculous if you make the same assumptions many on the other side make: that people are free to move anywhere as long as there is a job (and a willing employer) waiting at the other end. You get to move if you have a job offer; otherwise you stay put. A related assumption is that employers are going to be highly reluctant to hire people from far away unless the prospective employees can prove their worth (educational degrees or work experience or whatever.) And sure, in practice, there’s also the cheap labor incentive, but that’s secondary to the worth of the labor itself.

    (This is also the logic of the H-1B visa.)

    If all these assumptions are met, then such an “open-borders” regime is likely not going to result in too much migration.

  9. 216 says:

    The 1986 Act (amnesty) cost us California

    The 1990 Act (H-1B) cost us New York, Oregon, Washington

    What was done to us was far worse than the annexation of Alsace Lorraine to Germany in 1871.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  10. Notice that over almost a quarter of young black males are incarcerated at any given time. First, the cost to the rest of us just to guard, house, and feed them while they’re in the big house must be substantial. Second, obviously the actual criminal population must be larger; some additional percentage must be free committing the crimes that get them locked up. It would follow that something like half of all young black males are criminals. Third, of course all those crimes cost us as well — most particularly, in ruining our quality of life.

    There is one silver lining to this cloud. No one need feel bad about stereotyping young black males as criminals; largely, they are. It’s about as reasonable as stereotyping dogs as prone to chase cats.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  11. Regular reader here, first time commentator.

    I’ve always heard the 1965 Hart-Cellar stuff, and assumed it true.

    My reaction to your latest pieces on immigration, as an East Coast transplant who lived in California for a few years, and who’s spent much time around Hispanics in both parts of the country, was that the argument about California seemed right. But the complete dismissal of elevated Hispanic crime seemed to miss something. I concluded “Well, Ron must have just been uncharacteristically biased in that one. Happens to the best of us.”

    This article presents everything far clearer. I didn’t like the “Latino murders!” stuff in much of the right-wing media, but viewed it as a necessary evil to counter the “white criminals!” stuff in the mainstream media.

    It does seem to be a lot of “Open Doors leads to werewolves” though, doesn’t it? Hyperbolic proxy battles waged between pro- and anti-immigrationists, since being frank is taboo in polite conversation.

    I suspect the main issue readers had with the last two columns was they almost seemed… hostile? Vaguely? As if there was a slight bit of animus there toward the alt-right? I don’t know if you have, quite possibly not, but as someone who reads some alt-right stuff sometimes (while not agreeing with much of it), that was sort of the impression I got. Hard to get the tone right on critical pieces sometimes. Whereas this article very dispassionately paints a clear picture, while being empathetic to those who’ve been banging the “Hispanics are violent!” drum for so long. Tone was pitch-perfect. Thanks for taking the time to put together this analysis.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  12. It would be interesting to know what total, annual number of immigrants Mr. Unz thinks would be best, and how he arrives at that number.

    His writings on this subject have convinced me that it is foolish to focus on illegal immigration, except to count it as part of the total number. My own view is that the total should be severely reduced to give our current population time to gel, as it were, and to help raise wages to levels that promote home ownership and the formation of families.

    I believe some kind of reduction of imported goods is in order also, for the same reason. These two issues, over-immigration and over-importation of the products of labor that is low paid relative to American workers, combined with his stated desire to extricate the United States from foreign entanglements and wars, were the three reasons I voted for Donald Trump. Obviously, I am disappointed in his work on those problems so far.

    Many thanks to Ron Unz for providing such good analyses of issues that concern us.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  13. ‘…The San Francisco Chronicle, California’s most influential newspaper…’

    Surely not. The Chronicle is a notoriously mediocre paper, and San Francisco is a rather small city.

    I’ve always been far more impressed by the Los Angeles Times — and I’d guess that opinion is widely shared.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Wally
  14. Wally says:

    You gotta laugh at Ron for his silly use of “neo-Nazi” in trying to belittle Stromfront when he himself is said to be supporting “neo-Nazis” by publishing these:

    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
    and:
    A Defender of Truth: The Remarkable Historiography of David Irving: http://www.unz.com/announcement/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/
    and:
    A Freedom Fighter to His Last Breath, [“Holocaust” Revisionst] Robert Faurisson, Demonized Skeptic who Battled for the Right to Doubt
    http://www.unz.com/article/a-freedom-fighter-to-his-last-breath

    Then there’s:
    32% of Federal Inmates Are Illegal Aliens: https://cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens
    combined with:
    “there are about 297,000 criminal aliens incarcerated in state and local prisons. That number represents about 16.4 percent of the state and local prison population …”
    https://www.fairus.org/issue/societal-impact/criminal-aliens

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  15. Tyrion 2 says:

    This is an annoyingly good debate piece as article. Nonetheless, the manner in which it tries to hand wave away the hugely disproportionate representation of Hispanics in Federal prison is inadequate.

    First, no-one goes to Federal Prison for “illegal nannying”. A very small fraction are in for “immigration-related offences” but these are are human-trafficking league crimes. They are not good.

    Second, the article attempts to discount non-US citizen prisoners from the Hispanic prison population. This makes no sense, not only in an article discussing Hispanic and immigrant crime but, worse, in its off-hand dismissal of this crime as Mexicans dealing drugs at the border it actually makes a solid case for The Wall.

    Finally, The Wall is dismissed on the grounds of it not being the end all solution to America’s immigration problem. This is true but hardly damning of The Wall. There is no perfect one solution. Indeed, there is no perfect set of solutions. Obviously. What next? You stop locking your door because, even with locking your door, you might still get burgled?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Perspective
  16. SZ says:

    Informative essay from someone who knows the difference between numbers and proportions. And many thanks for the whole website anyhow.

  17. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron, I agree with a lot of your points but I think you miss the big picture.

    1) A wall is needed. Right now the world is relatively wealthy and look how many illegals we catch at the border and how many get through.

    Just wait till there is a severe recession and those numbers will spiral out of control. Legal immigration is the main problem right now, but wait till Mexico collapses and then illegal immigration will be the biggest issue.

    2) Crime is not the only consideration. I live in a majority Hispanic city and have never faced crime here. But Hispanics will vote for socialism and and more immigration and America will slowly decay.

    3) The ratio of immigrants skews towards men which is not good for a harmonious society.

    4) The real problem is socialized costs. Of immigrants come here and have to make it on their own, that is one thing. But if we are subsidizing their living, food, and healthcare why should we add a burden?

  18. syonredux says:

    Unfortunately, all these individuals have the facts exactly backwards and upside-down. The 1965 Act didn’t OPEN America’s borders, instead it largely CLOSED America’s borders.

    Ron, you know better than that. The significance of the 1965 Act lies in the fact that it abandoned the notion that ethnic/racial criteria should be applied to immigration.

    If Congress had never passed the 1965 Act, illegal immigration would never have become an issue because legal immigration from Latin America would have remained entirely unlimited. I suspect that the influx of legal Hispanics might have reached 5 million per year by the 1990s, and perhaps the entire impoverished population of Haiti might have relocated to our shores. Immigration over the last fifty years has increased our non-white population by some 60 million, but without the sharp restrictions of the 1965 Act, the figure would surely have been 120 million or perhaps even 180 million. Such a scenario can hardly be viewed with favor by racially-focused immigration-restrictionists.

    Dunno. Prior to the passage of the 1965 Act, the USA was willing to employ harsh, ethnic-cleansing type operations against Latinx:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

    Without the impact of the 1965 Act’s explicit rejection of racial/ethic criteria, things might have turned out quite differently…..

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @jrl
  19. As someone who has frequently denounced the 1965 act for exactly the things Mr. Unz says it doesn’t do, I thank him for correcting me. I would have appreciated some citations from the act itself, however; given the importance of his point, it would be good to have more than his mere statement of the case.

    • Replies: @mr meener
  20. If an unpredictable natural tsunami kills a thousand people, people consider it a tragedy. If the same tsunami were recklessly caused by human actions for no good reason, people would consider it a crime. A particular murder would not have happened if the particular illegal had been kept out. He was not kept out because selfish Republicans wanting cheap labor and selfish Democrats wanting dependent voters incentivized his entry.

    Having your daughter killed by a drunk driver is made much worse when the same lawbreaker also illegally entered this country, has no right to be here, has flouted our customs and laws, and was brought here by selfish actors for no good reason. For Ron Unz and Jerry Brown, murder by illegal is not a crime, not even a tragedy, but is merely a statistic.

  21. Mike Wood says:

    Does anyone else see the resemblance of this autistic RON UNZ to the Yellow Bastard in Sin City? Seriously, look at this https://sincity.fandom.com/wiki/Roark_Junior

  22. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s ok Ron.
    We know you need short brown people to work on your estate for below minimum wage.
    Its all good.

    • Replies: @TKK
  23. If the Hispanic crime rate is equal to the white crime rate, that is scandalous by definition. Because such a large fraction of that population is immigrant– whether naturalized, legally resident, or illegally present– it means either we’re letting in Latin criminals, or we’re not, and the native Hispanic crime rate is thus higher than the white.

    White crime is far too high as it is. Immigrant crime, also by definition, should be zero.

    Otherwise, your analysis sounds a lot like much of that of Vatican II, which was never intended by most participants to have the radical results it did.

    One rarely noted misinterpretation is that of family reunification. That was put in by immigration skeptics to keep the resulting immigrant flow more European, as the great majority of naturalized citizens already here were from Europe. Had that provision had a sunset law, say, about ten years later, it wouldn’t have been hijacked by the rest of the world.

  24. Anyone can make a mistake, but the fact that this misinformation has remained so widespread for so many years suggests the rather unreliable quality of most anti-immigration sources across the Internet.

    I had to smile when I read this.

    The holy trinity was a compromise agreed on in Cyprus in the third or fourth century.
    Intellectuals all the time saw the nonsense, wrote or talked about it, and lost their lives, often in horrible ways, such as Servetius who was burned alive around 1600 by Calvin in Geneva, on green wood, so that he suffered longer.

    There still are historians who write or wrote books on how Bismarck in 1870 provoked the French attack on what now is Germany by publicising a telegram from a Kaiser offended by a French diplomat to Bismarck.
    Anyone with some common sense can understand that a few lines cannot start a war.

    In 1914 there were the Serajewo murders, the same story, how killing two people, even two Habsburgs, in itself can start the first world war, defies all common sense.

    In 1939 Hitler attacked Poland, no doubt about it. The beginning of the execution of his plan for world domination.
    Until today nobody has explained how a 44 million people could dominate the whole word.
    This despite that the USSR was unable to dominate E Europe, that the USA was and is unable to dominate the world.

    At present we have the CO2 madness. Figures about CO2 ppm can be found anywhere. These figures show without any doubt that at the present CO2 ppm levels there is no problem whatsoever. Yet mankind seems intent on executing the most expensive experiment ever in human history, not just expensive in money, but expensive in destroying the European cultures.

    I could go on about nonsensical ideas, from slavery to fixed currency exchange rates, even Keynes, Bretton Woods believed in this, the euro is partly based on this nonsense, but what is the point ?
    Homo sapiens is hardly rational, seen in evolution, also a nonsense idea, there is no evolution, conciousness came very late.

    So what are some misunderstandings about immigration in the USA ?
    This is not so say that these misunderstandings, deliberate, thus in fact propaganda, or simply by lack of critical analysis, are not important, they often are, the word important here a big understatement.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  25. Bruno says:

    When you import migrants, there crime rates should be the lowest imaginable (like in Canada or Australia) because you souvereigbly choose them. So having a highest crime than Whites, even if it’s because of population age structure, it’s not a pro-migration argument.

    The second thing is that they should make more money for the country than they cost. I doubt that the low paying jobs – often undeclared – and the numerous families are a net contribution for the USA when you subtract remittances (that should be taxed for the purpose of building the Wall)

    When the Latinos come, they import their cultural habits wich are extremely far from Anglo-saxon and German stock wich defined America. Trains are never on time there. And in many of those countries, people are constantly ransomed by mafia just to survive. I doubt they won’t import their practices.

    Then diaspora people – even when they are an elite like Jews or nowadays some high IQ Indian cast like Dravidian Brahman from Chennai or Vanya traders – always favored more immigration – to get the pluralities of minorities – and vote democrat to consolidate this deal for a constant flow.

    Legal immigration is certainly much worse than illegal immigration but nobody will never reduce illegal immigration if it hasn’t a policy to stop illegal immigration . So the small problem of illegal immigration : closing the south border, tracking short term visa over-stayer and reporting 11 millions illegal comes naturally fist. Suggesting otherwise is an invitation to procrastination and getting nothing done ever.

    ps : the middle sixties were the time when many European countries welcomed millions of Africans. And it was a deliberate job to go and invite them. Not an external factor except there constant willingness to migrate obviously. The same happens in 2015 Germany : they got 2 millions Syrian/Iraqis because Merkel invited them. It was not an irresistible phenomena. It was provoked. It didn’t happen in Denmark for example. And three times less in Norway than Sweden because of Breivick.

    • Replies: @Wally
  26. Gene says:

    Ron, people are hostile towards you because you are addicted to telling falsehood. Just like your friends, including Ann Coulter, your brain is contaminated with dishonesty, bigotry and xenophobia.

  27. SafeNow says:

    Mr. Unz clarifies and corrects as to the prevalence of Latino crime. Fine — as far as it goes. But Latino (or White) crime is largely invisible and irrelevant in the lives of Americans; a bit player, if anyone still uses that term. The important factor in daily life is the approach of Latinos vs. Whites to proficiency, conscientiousness, and fastidiousness. Here in California, the new philosophy is becoming what I call “get it basically right.” The new ethos is contageous in that there is a temptation for a pre-replacement person to relax his own performance level to be more in line with the new ethos. California is probably a generation or more further along in this unraveling, compared to the rest of the nation, but it will become pervasive.

  28. bucky says:

    Bravo, Ron, bravo.

  29. Sean says:

    Making a lot of sense with this post and making several excellent points, no question about it. A few little quibbles though.

    The unfortunate truth is that in many situations “politically correct” mainstream media journalists and racially-focused anti-immigration activists may share a strong commonality of interests, and the dishonest practices of the former tend to reinforce the confused beliefs of the latter, with negative consequences for our society.

    When Bush wanted to allow ‘any foreigner anywhere in the world to legally immigrate to America if he accepted a minimum-wage job that no American was willing to fil’l and when his brother ran for pres while saying that the future of the country depended upon immigrants, partly because they are “more fertile” these Hispanics, that was class war against the ruling business elite’s most dangerous enemy: organised labour. Mainstream media journalists, will not, can not, point that out. So of course they pretend they are fighting Dr Mengele.

    Despite a huge Navy operation against coastal landings, General Westmoreland said that 70% of Viet Cong supplies were continuing to come in by sea, not by the Ho Chi Minh Trail route; a very controversial estimate and the theater head of the Navy stopped taking to the Army commander. Whatever the proportions were it is rather obvious that interdicting the easy seaborne route would cause displacement of the flow of supplies to the land route, and even thought the Trail was far less economic, it was also more difficult to cut. So maybe there should have been steps to cut the trail before the sea route was choked down.

    Ending easy legal migration would quite possibly lead to a prodigious increase in illegal immigration. There would no doubt be disagreement about how much this would happen, but it is better to build a iron wall, even though it is not needed yet.

  30. All anyone has to do is look at the Mexicans walking down a street and they know they’re not going to make it in he US as Americans. This society is far too technologically advanced for them. Their future here is that of wards of the state as soon as the jobs they do fall to technological advances. As the old black comedian, Flip Wilson used to say, “What you see is what you got.”

  31. Heros says:

    “Despite having been totally “deplatformed” from all normal Internet services, the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer still apparently gets more traffic than all the other Alt-Right websites in the world combined, and its editor, Andrew Anglin, is an ardent Trump supporter.”

    Anglin is a pacifist and repeatedly states that he is against all forms of violence. Anglin is no “Nazi”, neo or otherwise. I am certain Hitler would have sent him to a labor camp for not being willing to fight along, along with the jews who were already famous in Germany for the Dolchstoss. So can we please just finally admit that jews get a dopamine hit every time they write or utter “Nazi”?

    I sincerely doubt that Anglin is an ardent Trump supporter. He certainly loves to trigger jews and lefties, so he calls Trump “Der Führer” in a humorous and sarcastic manner that makes his site so popular. But even Dailystormer has to hold its punches when dealing with jews. Anglin is basically in exile in Nigeria because of jewish power, Mossad and satanic organizations like Cube.

    As far as the wall and hispanic crime goes, I say state once again that Ron Unz seems unable to see the forest for the trees. Just as he fails to connect the dots in all the other aspects of our lives where jews have turned our own European institutions and culture against us, so does Ron Unz once more miss the entire migration picture.

    Is it possible that Ron Unz has never heard Barbara Spectre? Does he not know of the Kalergi plan?

    Any intelligent person, especially someone who has an IQ as high as Ron Unz supposedly has, must be able to recognize the pattern of turd world invasion being forced on every enclave of European people on the planet. If all of continental Europe and all of the old commonwealth are being simultaneously overwhelmed by waves of PoC invaders, shouldn’t an intelligent guy like Ron Unz be able to see that statistically this is impossible that all these peoples simultaneously decided to commit cultural suicide?

    Next look at the fierce globalist NGO assault on Hungary, Poland and especially Russia when they refuse to submit to the will of judaism. Then look to the jews in Israel, who insist that the west must accept all refugees from their wars for Greater Israel while they expel all undesirables and turn Israel into civilization’s greatest racial supremacist citadel.

    Stephan Molyneux also cannot see the forest for the trees. Here he goes into detail ridiculing the Ireland 2040 plan to bring in 1m PoC migrants. But he blames this population replacement on the boomers and their need for high real estate prices to support their unfunded retirements.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  32. Why are the facts in this essay so little known? Ron Unz explains them well, but in a long format that few people will have the attention span to read, an essay that is 5,700 words long (that’s 40 tweetfuls).

    So some unsolicited advice: Rewrite this essay as many shorter essays on its various points. Each essay should be short enough to read in a few minutes (maybe with a reference to the whole big essay). Information delivered in Ann Coulter-size chunks will be more easily assimilated by the general public.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  33. Tulip says:

    This article misses important dimensions of the immigration issue:

    1.) The Wall is symbolic, akin to making MLK Jr. a national holiday, for the Anti-Immigration crowd. Political groups will expend enormous political capital to win symbolic victories. The belief is probably that the symbol will result in better treatment and attention to their issues and constituents.

    2.) Because the Wall is symbolic and ultimately related to the Civil Religion, it is being advocated for on religious/theological grounds relating to social purity. For the Anti-Immigration crowd, America’s purity is being sullied by the demonic powers of darkness secretly invading through our porous borders. For the Immigration crowd, America’s purity is being sullied by the demonic powers of darkness festering in rural non-coastal areas in places of ignorance and blight. Both groups seek ritual exorcism, and exorcism from outsiders, but define outsiders differently. If you don’t understand the dispute as essentially religious, you might take the theological pronouncements to be bad public policy arguments. [If we removed Emma Lazarus’s poem from the Statute of Liberty, it would do nothing about immigration levels either, but you would see an even more intense theological argument.]

    3.) The real immigration issue is that if you import low-skill workers with no sense of connection to the ethnic majority and its heritage and traditions, they will be dependent on government benefits and won’t be pulled into the politics of racial/ethnic resentment on sale on the Right.

    4.) Accordingly, they will overwhelmingly vote Democratic and if enough of them come, they will inevitably shift the politics to the extreme left. Of course, what that means exactly in the long-term is unclear, but the kind of Ronald Reagan 1980’s conservative-style is dead due to demographics.

    5.) Resistance to immigration on the part of Right-wingers is the tactical response to this threat. Of course, the business lobby is more than happy to import cheap labor, so the Right is not being effectual, but it is short-term thinkers with big checks looking three years out on their business plan versus long-term thinkers considering generational effects.

    • Replies: @m___
  34. Fonzie says:

    Crime is just part of the problem. Hispanics have a lower average IQ than the white population – put at 89 and have few skills or education. Even when they come to the US and are given a free education, their performance remains mediocre. They are heavily dependent on welfare and are very corruption prone in terms of rewarding ethnic ties over merit. Therefore, they bring little of value to the country any more than do people from most third world countries.

  35. A national policy debate over whether immigration levels are much too high is long overdue

    Ideally, the debate would be followed by a referendum asking whether America should become a Third World country. Does America already have enough self-hating whites to win the vote for the People of Colour or would a few more years of brainwashing be required for white guilt to reach the necessary level?

  36. iffen says:

    Can we get a LOL tab for articles?

  37. George says:

    I only skimmed the article. I personally do not see Hispanics as more socio or psychopathic than white people. The issue for me is not White vs Hispanic crime it is White vs Hispanic organized crime. Past bouts of organized crime in the US like the Irish, Italian, and Russian were generally limited by the distance required for new immigrants to get to the US and a declining birth rate once they got here, not to mention the ability of the US government to fund jobs for the smarter gangsters. Hispanics are from the Americas, will likely have much higher birth rates than the native population, and the forever war seems to have sucked all the discretionary government spending out of the economy. South American organized criminals range from petty street criminals to revolutionary armies. Organized crime is what makes Hispanics a threat.

    Legacy law enforcement nepotism employment schemes with it’s Comeys and Muellers needs to be replaced by the children of Salvadorean immigrants at least at the entry level. I think it will be a shock when the great Bush era police/national security hiring necessarily needs to be directed toward non whites. BTW, at the top of the law enforcement hierarchy expect to see more South and East Asians, Irish/whites can still apply but won’t be the best applicants.

  38. I’m curious how Ron reconciles his belief that Hispanics aren’t much more crime prone than Whites with the fact that countries like Mexico, Venezuela, El Salvador and Brazil have murder rates that are much, much higher than pretty much anywhere else on earth.

    • Replies: @Brabantian
    , @Patricus
  39. Yes! Everything is absolutely truth in the article. And the wall will help to the certain extent.
    But the main problem that is devastating to US white population ( and it is already done deed)
    is Jewish brainwashing propaganda of feminism.
    It started with “Feminine mystique” By Jewish girl Friedan, but I do think that it was written by Jewish Rabbis. I did read “Protocols of Elders of Zion” but it was so long time ago so I am not so certain, but I think the strategy of feminism was there.
    The Jewish strategy was (and still is ) to convince women to seek carriers and forget about to have children and create families on their own,
    This Rabbinic strategy that has many branches did destroy the white middle class population.
    Most of the rural population was and is to the certain extent resilient to this Jewish propaganda and so still producing children, But women in cities do not because they are under Rabbinic spell

  40. MEH 0910 says:

    Un Hombre Lobo Mexicano en Texas (Mexican Werewolf In Texas) (S. Maginnis, USA, 2005) – Trailer

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  41. Mr Unz, your focus on ignorance and perversion of reality are spot on, and as you point out, it infects the folks at the top of the heap and “lawmakers” just as much as everyone else.

    Unfortunately, all these individuals have the facts exactly backwards and upside-down. The 1965 Act didn’t OPEN America’s borders, instead it largely CLOSED America’s borders.

    What more can anyone say? But as you know, the facts be damned, people are going to hold their pet opinions come heck or high water, and I certainly don’t even pretend to have even a clue about an answer. I hope someone does, but even then, I suspect they’ll just be howling in the wind at best.

    Apparently we’re a ridiculous and comically doomed race. Enjoy!

  42. onebornfree says: • Website

    “….Arguments about immigration will always be with us. But it’s important to understand that the real issue isn’t freedom for immigrants – it’s your freedom.

    Immigrants will continue to stream into this country, legally or illegally, so long as there’s a Welcome Wagon waiting at the border – offering free education, free health care, free welfare and a free lunch. We need to put the Welcome Wagon out of business, so only people looking for freedom will want to come here.

    Until then, no law, no policy, no border patrol will stop the flood of illegals…..”:

    The Immigration Scam:
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-immigration-scam-by-harry-browne.html

    regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  43. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    IT doesnt matter if hes right, just the way it doesnt matter if jews won every scrap of wealth and power without cheating and conviving.
    Its simply untenable that we be burdened with an overclass or underclass. Not only does this cost us personally, far worse its destroying the culture we need to survive as a people, all non whites have caused accommodations to be made that injure our ability to thrive.

    PS la griffe du lion disagrees with Unz on the hispanic crime and found its actually very hard to be sure since they count hispanics perps as white and victims as minority, anecdotally i grew up in spanish slums and they are certainly a lot closer to black slums than white areas. But yeah sure hispanics are no where near as dangerous as blacks better still they are a small people so need a quorum to get any crime done

    • Replies: @atlantis_dweller
  44. Ron Unz says:
    @JLK

    Are you certain that the Central Americans from Honduras/El Salvador/Guatemala are going to be as law-abiding as the Mexicans?

    I’m pretty skeptical of any large difference. I think the bulk of Salvadorans and other Central Americans had traditionally been living in CA and especially the LA area for the last thirty-odd years, and I never heard any indications they were very different in their crime rates than the much larger population of Mexican immigrants.

    As near as I can tell, the whole “MS-13” stuff is just media nonsense, just like all the endless stuff on the KKK. I’d be pretty surprised if there are more than 10 or 20 annual murders linked to MS-13, which is an almost invisible sliver of our 15,000 annual homicides.

    As for Trump and the FoxNews people, I think they’re just ignorant and innumerate. They probably “believe” in the horrors of Mexican rapists and killers just like the MSM “believe” in the horrors of the KKK and the neo-Nazis (and the police) killing innocent blacks all around the country.

  45. Anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Note to Ron. One can use statistics to prove anything. Reality is often a different matter. Living in Albuquerque, NM one of the most dangerous places to live in the US you will not be murdered by a Black or White Person but by a Hispanic one. Mexican Gangs have made things crazy for many people and crime is a serious problem but hidden from view by the Politicians and Media. You wasted a lot of time and effort to accomplish nothing regarding illegal immigration by Hispanics. All anyone needs to know is that it is “Illegal”.

    • Replies: @Sowhat
  46. Thea says:

    Great, I’m happy for them. They should be able to return to Honduras & El Salvador and lower the average crime rate there.

    Indians also have a low crime rate but I’m pissed about the ruination of roadside motels.

    There are other reasons than crime to want to preserve a community and shared culture.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  47. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘…The San Francisco Chronicle, California’s most influential newspaper…’

    Surely not. The Chronicle is a notoriously mediocre paper, and San Francisco is a rather small city.

    I’ve always been far more impressed by the Los Angeles Times — and I’d guess that opinion is widely shared.

    The LA Times had always been CA’s most important and prestigious newspaper by a wide margin, and one of the 3 top papers in the country, while the SF Chronicle had probably been 4th or 5th in CA, below the SacBee, the Mercury, and perhaps even the SD UT, quite mediocre just like you say.

    But I think the Tribune takeover followed by the bankruptcy and the collapse of the newspaper industry had really changed things, with the LAT being just a shadow of its former self. When I happened to pick up a copy at LAX, I was stunned to discover it was almost entirely wire stories and advertising, not much different than the LA Daily News. Most of the other major CA papers have similarly been destroyed, while the SF Chronicle has mostly held up.

    But maybe I should have put in the word “probably”…

  48. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    No Ron no ones ignorant its politics you cant simply say non white immigration of any kind in any numbers is bad in many ways, not least of which it destroys the cultural medium upon which whites live or die (not having developed the parasitic skills of jews to thrive in others cultures) so we use euphemisms about “crime” and “illegal” immigration” the left is right its just white interests being asserted plain and simple, it may be that some of the pols and some of the proles are uncomfortable with the reality of what they feel so are lying to themselves perhaps even a few idiots actually think the difference between legal and illegal non white immigration is meaningful, the majority on some level of consciousness simply want and know they need a culture and nation of their own if they are to survive
    You being a wandering jew are completely fucking blind on this all other people need their culture this jew developed culture is not working we are being destroyed by it and even if that were not true it just sucks like fast food and tract houses which are products of it

  49. Ron – surely it’s not about crime, but identity. Trump will exaggerate the criminal dimension because American politics does not allow for blunt identity politics, at least not for white people. Would it be persuasive to Israelis to say “let Chinese people in” because they don’t commit much crime. No, the point is identity.

    Another part of concentrating on illegal immigration is that it’s like broken window theory – you’ve got to get the irritating law-breaking under control before you deal with the bigger picture – which is dealing with legal immigration.

  50. Tyrion 2 says:
    @M.P.R

    The results of countless IQ tests are not a secret. The only answer is that the big discrepancies in the distribution of IQ are entirely the result of other, unidentified, factors. This is plausible but I’ve never seen an answer more plausible than that which includes genetics.

    The efficacy of IQ tests is not really disputable in good faith. Pretending that because they’re not perfect they are entirely wrong is grim dishonesty.

  51. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Numinous

    Any job below about 75,000 USD a year makes you a net tax eater. This means your job, as an immigrant, is subsidised by the society which is forced to accept you. This also does not account for centuries of sunk capital costs which you immediately benefit from, nor for the tremendous social capital which you likely detract from. Extraordinary talent or GTFO.

  52. onebornfree says: • Website

    onebornfree says: “There are, and can be, no government-based solution to the so-called immigration problem. Government “solutions” to any problem you care to name have never worked, and never can/will work, no matter who gets to wear “the ring of power”.

    To prove my assertion [above] here’s a recent Molyneux video about the massive government scam called “Medicaid” [ n.b. I’m not a Molyneux fan] :

    “What has that got to do with illegal immigration and wall building”? , you might well ask.

    Well, as someone observes in the comments to the Molyneux vid.

    :” Every gov program is like this: military, education, healthcare, infrastructure, police, etc etc etc etc …”

    And so it will be no different for a new wall; just massive expense for yet another government “solution” that can never work.

    The biggest irony? Molyneux himself promotes the building of a wall .

    You gotta love the hypocrisy and dedication to illogic [ or whatever you wish to call it] here! 🙂

    Regards, onebornfree

  53. George says:
    @Ron Unz

    In El Salvador MS-13 runs what used to be called The Rackets, like taxing/shaking down down bus companies. That is the problem with MS-13. The various ethnic mafias did not kill many people, for example, the St Valentines ‘massacre’ killed 7 people. MS-13 is amorphous, what activities MS-13 engages in, in the US, is not clear. Do they collect a tax from your landscaper? Who knows?

  54. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Heros

    Sometimes the shoe fits. The Daily Stormer is obviously branded as a Nazi publication. It is in the name, simpleton.

    • Replies: @Heros
  55. anastasia says:

    Those graphs do not reflect New York’s incarcerations.

  56. The reason that the elites and the Zionists do not want a border wall is because they want to unite Canada and the U.S. and Mexico under the North American Union with a common currency the Amero, similar to the European Union and have this as just another stepping stone to a NWO.

    In addition, the elites want to flood America with illegal immigrants to change the American culture and voting blocks to lower the living standard to third world levels which will enable the elites to more easily blend America into the zionist NWO which has been planned for decades.

    None of this is by accident, it all part of the zionists plan for a NWO.

    • Agree: densa
    • Replies: @nickels
  57. @Thomm

    what’s wrong with just letting everyone in.? After all we let the Europeans in and they gave the nation to the Zionist. The Europeans Congress failed to make trading with Zionist illegal as a result the nation soon found itself subject to Zionist rule! Since then, everything Zionist wanted somehow became a legally protected monopoly, while everything that might compete with one of the Zionist empires required a license that only Zionist could obtain or became crimes if performed by a non Zionist, and every objection that faulted a Zionist, or his or her empire, was criminalized as anti-semantic.

    Which is worse a few murders or the destruction of an entire culture built on the right of self determination?

  58. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion 2 says:“Any job below about 75,000 USD a year makes you a net tax eater. “

    This just in:

    Any/all government funded jobs , for any amount of money [ either less than or greater than $75,000] , make all of the respective recipients “net tax eaters” as you put it, [or simply social parasites].

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  59. anastasia says:

    Here is the prison population by race in New York

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/image003.html (shows hispanic group much larger than white)

    And I might add that these statistics change depending upon what kind of article you are reading

    https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/By-the-numbers-New-York-s-prison-population-12216340.php (shows hispanic and white numbers to be the same).

    What does this mean? It means that some statisticians are lying.

    But I know a jail guard, and he says that while the largest group is black, the second largest group is hispanic and whites make up an infinitesimal number compared to both.

    So, rather than go with the statisticians, I will go with the eye witness testimony of the jail guard

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Ron Unz
  60. @Thomm

    It is quite simple

    Nearly everything is, but here we are; ‘splain that!

  61. anastasia says:

    I do agree with the author that as it concerns “violent” crimes, that the hispanic statistics are low, and this makes sense to me, but crimes that constitute reckless conduct or gross negligence which result in deaths, the statistics have got to be large for hispanic population. In my little town, we hear about deaths from drunk and reckless driving, unlicensed drivers, etc. and virtually all involve hispanic men. These deaths are occurring almost every week.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  62. Where to start with your baloney. Let’s put aside the crime argument that you like to fixate on. Oh great… Mexicans don’t commit crimes any more than whities and less than blacks. It is debatable whether you can find accurate statistics on this because it is a non PC taboo topic. However, I have worked in this field and I can tell you that the federal prisons have a large number of illegal aliens there for drug crimes and other things.

    For seconds, you have an immigration system to protect your tax payers from poverty. Are you stupid enough to give me some stat about how having a porous border like we do is not importing poverty? People walking across the border are not going to need social welfare systems? Look a your state Medicare system– look at the NYC social service medical system. Even DiBlasio admitted that 300,000 of 600,000 are illegals. Go look at CIS stats on the use of welfare by get this Unz… Second generations of immigrants.

    Assholes like you want to foist poverty onto the American taxpayers… I know … I know… your hispanic nannies and gardeners and drywallers are so nice in the wonderland of Silicon Valley.

    Which leads me to the third issue… I know you never dirtied you precious little hands with physical labor… but illegal immigration means that native workers in trades were screwed. Their wages got depressed for decades by your illegals.

    Fourth and this is where I really get angry: there has been a massive wave of illegal immigration since the 1980s. It accelerated during later Clinton and into W Bush and then Obama, spare me the President Deportation crap. Oh… you believe the media’s bull excrement about there being 11 million illegals. Go watch the border and tell me there are 11 million illegals. That number has been used for decades. A recent study by two statisticians from Princeton estimated that it has to be at least 22 million (and likely more.) I have worked in this area… immigration has been completely out of control for decades. I have seen the reality first hand, not some bullsh-t study by liberal think tanks or CATO.

    And finally… you claim to be a conservative or whatever you think you are. Every study from any source says that your and Fred Reed’s beloved Latinos, like big government programs. They want big government to the tune of 3 out of 4. Look around your stupid state. Does a Republican win anything there now and it is getting worse… Up until 1986, Republicans won there. And what happened in 86? The biggest amnesty of the 2oth century.

    Guys like you have doomed your own stupid party. No… there is no problem with immigration. Go ahead and let it roll. Socialism is in your future. I hope that your new amigos tax you Silicon valley assholes til you bleed.

    • Replies: @ronhan
  63. none of this is an accurate portrayal of the issue. It’s not about just crime and IQ.

    Those are but components of the larger question regarding US soveriegnty. And it is sovereignty which is the issue.

    It is not how we make room for more than 12 — 30 million felons (the states vary in range how many people violate the federal rules on immigration).

    But every single one of them that violates the US sovereignty is a felon breaking into the country – everyone. if you enter my home by any other means other than my explicit invitation — you have demonstrated that you are not to be trusted. You have no respect for my person. And it’s a given that your intent is to make my home, my person , something that is yours and you’ll do that by any means you choose.

    Crime and IQ are but trees to the forest you intend to invade and reinvent as is already the case in Ca, Az, and NM. There are always people trying to get one to ignore the forests for the trees. Sad that so many are US citizens heck bent on undermining other US citizens.

  64. I notice how killings are more than are shootings, and this is sharply different for Blacks only.
    Anyone care care to expound on the meaning?

    ***
    As for the barrage of composure-lacking name-calling Unz was subjected to after making the letter to the Alt-Right public, one stance only stood out for its relative soundness: some said: crime statistics or not, we have the right to want to be with our own kind and a white country with English as its language and a white culture.
    That’s respectable I think. The slander, not.

  65. Liza says:

    We’ve long since passed the point of illegal VS legal & Mexican/other nonwhites VS white immigrants. This country and indeed all the western-type countries are badly overpopulated. Maybe Africa and Asia.

    So long as the only major concern of 99% of everybody seems to be how to obtain more and more stuff, forceful arguments for more and more people of any and all varieties will abound and flourish.

    Look to Liberia for your future, folks, and it won’t be because there’s too many brown or black people. An increasingly overcrowded country consisting largely of pale folks who have nothing more than porn, sports and of course those endless bars ‘n’ restaurants on their pea-sized little minds will produce continued destruction of the natural world, congestion in every sense, substandard housing, loss of farmland, undrinkable water, unworkable social services, more crime, endless weird degenerative diseases, especially in children – but, hey, we can solve it with even more (preferably white) people!

    Apocalypse, come on down! That way, no one will have to depend any more on computer generated movies about catastrophes to entertain them, they’ll have the real thing.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Poco
  66. Like somebody else said, I don’t care if they’re docile as Chinamen (they’re not). We’re full, and voted with our feet and our reproductive organs for population stability a long time ago. Their cultures are juvenile and sloppy–their homelands are the most violent places on Earth. Politically, they lurch from incompetent bolshevism to hamfisted pseudo-fascism. For that matter, Jews are low-crime, but that doesn’t stop them from supporting socially destructive Marxist movements.

    What is it with these Ellis Island-Americans, coming here to tell us that our country is too white? You could have moved to any number of non-white countries; you chose here.

  67. @anon

    Are you certain a majority of Whites would rather not have a underclass? Or even an overclass?
    Both of those provide comforts in a way or another. An overclass renders your country more powerful on the international scene — not last, culturally and ideologically powerful.
    An underclass takes jobs the non-underclass do not.

    It matters whether Unz is right or not. Because there is a deep cleavage between saying: you are right (and have integrity) but I still want an ethnostate, and saying: you are committing statistical fraud and dispensing with integrity.

  68. Sowhat says:
    @Anon

    I agree. The ONLY ISSUE that is of any consequence is the Constitutionality of Illegal Immigration. End of discussion. All other articles are irrelevant. It is NOT amazing that our Congress is The Club of The Grand Benevolent Asylam of The Helpless (Samuel Clemens’ words). These Corporate Lackies are more than less hand-picked, Corporate and Special-interest-funded puppets that have no allegiance to the general welfare of The People. Corporate and Foreign Influence have been permitted to destroy the nation.
    As time passes, they’ve only exhibited LESS concern for “The General Welfare. The
    Founders never wanted “political Parties” that divided and weakened this Country.
    There has always been a lawful path to Citizenship for immigrants, here. When no one in Government gives a damn about the laws on the books (no one includes all three branches of the Federal Government and Big Corporate Money), we EASILY see the unseen and of The Deep State.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  69. @onebornfree

    “….Arguments about immigration will always be with us. But it’s important to understand that the real issue isn’t freedom for immigrants – it’s your freedom.

    Yup. That’s at the heart of the issue for sure. It’s mostly a political football and I see no evidence that any politician ever intends to really solve it even if they magically could. Among other things it’s a great diversion from even bigger problems such as the rape of the nation by the .0001% and their goofy and endless economic wars on other nations. Furthermore, excessive immigration is a sign of deeper problems, not the problem itself. It should be pretty obvious that government interference in economies around the world for the benefit of our masters is the real disease.

    Much easier and apparently much more satisfying, though, to kick the underclasses than to bridle the parasitic scum at the top.

    Divert, divide and conquer. Few will be the wiser.

    PS: Why do we hear, relatively speaking, so little squawking about the “immigration” (importation) of cheap material goods? Who benefits?

  70. @smellyoilmanafteryourwealth

    what’s wrong with just letting everyone in.?

    If you have no problem with letting in people who want to steal your house, with everything that is in it, make you their servant, and force you to live according to their rules and beliefs, then there is no problem whatsoever with letting everybody in.

    The whole present world wide discussion about globalisation, racism, world wide migration, nationalism can be solved overnight if we whites, those of the European cultures, realise we something to defend against quite a few people in this world, who hate us, are jealous of us, whatever.
    Letting our enemies in, expecting them to behave according to our values, quite stupid.
    As Dutch professor Paul Scheffer wrote already long ago ‘how long do we tolerate intolerance ?’.
    Paul Scheffer, ‘Die Eingewanderten, Toleranz in einer grensenlosen Welt, München 2008 (Het land van aankomst, 2007)
    Title of the German translation ‘The migrants, tolerance in a world without borders’.

    • Replies: @Anon
  71. Numinous says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Extraordinary talent or GTFO.

    Who decides?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  72. anastasia says:

    Another thing not accounted for by Unz is that a proportion of the hispanic population is black.

    It is confusing because there is no such word as “hispanic”. We made that word up. The people in Central and South America could be wholly caucasian, wholly Indian, some wholly black, some mestizo, some mulatto.

    When “hispanics” immigrants came into this country, some were identified as “caucasian”, some were identified as black, etc. They were never identified as “hispanic”. No such thing.

    So the statistics do not account for this.

    • Replies: @Anon
  73. @Tyrion 2

    Any job below about 75,000 USD a year makes you a net tax eater.

    Plenty of tax eaters among the mega rich as well, and as you seem to imply, tax eaters are as fetid as tax collectors.

    Is there a lesson there?

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  74. @anastasia

    They are Amerindians. Or at least possess enough Amerindian blood to be inclined to alcohol-related crimes.

  75. Fonzie says:

    I don’t know what happened to my previous comment. It seems to have disappeared. But I want to add this recent article by Victor Davis Hanson regarding the rising poverty in California and the disparity between the rich coastal areas and inland areas of California which are largely populated by poor Hispanics.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/california-coastal-elites-poor-immigrants-fleeing-middle-class/

  76. @onebornfree

    Any/all government funded jobs , for any amount of money…

    True.

    Under the heading “jobs” I’d include government bailouts, subsidies, contracts, and other special treatment, such as laws favoring the fat cats, as well.

  77. Ron Unz says Ted Kennedy played a minor role in the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act…

    Are you listening WfBM (War for Blair Mountain)? Get outta of that closet you have been hiding in and do declare yourself!

  78. anastasia says:

    Who knows. Maybe the “elite” in this country are trying to mix the races so that they can have a society and government that resembles those in Central America and Mexico where the Spanish Conquistadors kept themselves racially pure and wound up ruling over all the “mixed” races. Wouldn’t it be nice to have governments like that. The rulers treat the people they rule as sub-human. They make millions from American corporations at the expense of the people they rule over – i.e. the mixed races. Is that what they want here? Is that why they are pushing, pushing, pushing in the media all this misceganation?

  79. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Thomm is an Indian national who will shill for more “highly skilled Indian immigrants” all the while calling us White Trationalists.

  80. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Ban Indian immigration.

    Done.

  81. “A half-century ago, Los Angeles was over 70% white and only 10% Hispanic, and today it’s 50% Hispanic and perhaps 25% white. Yet the crime and homicide rates are roughly similar. How is this possible in your mind?”

    The 50% Hispanic and 25% white have similar per capita crime rates – is that correct? So, I guess most whites white flighted (used to be 70% white), right? Hence, the ones who didn’t (because they couldn’t!) were really low IQ and what-not i.e. these 25% white sub-group might just be more similar to Hispanics than to the average American white – that’s why in Los Angeles whites and Hispanics are so similar at crime rates.

    [English ain’t my native tongue; sorry for any errors.]

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Colin Wright
  82. Agent76 says:

    JANUARY 30, 2017 The Justice System Is Criminal

    Perhaps the worst of America’s failed institutions is the criminal justice system.

    http://www.unz.com/proberts/the-justice-system-is-criminal/

    August 18th, 2016 Justice Department says it’s ending the use of private prisons

    The Justice Department plans to end its use of private prisons after officials concluded the facilities are both less safe and less effective at providing correctional services than those run by the government.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141553353

    Sep 18, 2015 Enter the biggest prison system in history

    The Empire holds by far the most prisoners than any other country on earth, in both absolute numbers and per capita.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  83. I don’t post on social media as much as I used because it puts me in the company of irrational people who are probably under survelliance. More unfortunately, our evil leaders in office or in the media are not in the business of clearly explaining how much profit lies in tyranny, referred to here as stupidity. The vast masses, unfortunate victims of deception and mind control, believe more cops will save us and a massive Wall too like the one in Berlin.

    More scams to to steal from the zombies. What would a wall do? People will figure out ways around it before they finish building it. Just more theft from the taxpayers by the ruling class. The problem in American society doesn’t come from Mexicans, or blacks, other minorities, or poor white people, the problems all stem from the parasitic ruling class and the zombie voters who support them, left and right.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  84. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Numinous

    How about the Harvard PhD admission process followed by the West Point one followed by Harvey Weinstein’s casting couch, without the sexual weirdness?

    Or people can buy their way in, for 💯 million USD?

  85. @anastasia

    Here is the prison population by race in New York…

    Essentially meaningless. Why? Everyone should know that white collar criminals rarely pay for their crimes, but instead, get paid handsomely for them. I’d bet that the proportion of mass murderers, big time thieves, and sex perverts is much greater among politicians and the “upper crusts” than among the easily bashed.

    It works along these lines and was recognized long ago…

    In the “City of God,” St. Augustine ( around the 5th century AD),tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, “How dare you molest the seas?” To which the pirate replied, “How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.” St. Augustine thought the pirate’s answer was “elegant and excellent.”

    http://files.libertyfund.org/pll/quotes/200.html

    St Sheete thinks the pirate’s answer was the unvarnished truth as well as elegant and excellent.

    • Agree: Rurik
  86. Tyrion 2 says:
    @jacques sheete

    I am not implying anything about their smell/moral worth or whatever. Don’t be an imbecile. I just pointed out that their immigration to and settlement in their new country is subsidised by that country, and I can think of better uses of national resources than subsidising incomers, like improving the lives of citizens…

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  87. Want to end immigration madness? Four easy steps:
    1) No benefits for illegals. Period
    2) No citizenship granted to anchor babies.
    3) Prosecute criminal illegals to the full extent of the law. Deportation being the preferred method.
    4) Force corporations to comply with all laws regarding the hiring of illegals.

    That’s it, end of story. People who believe a wall will solve everything have no perception of the problem. As long as the state welfare teat is supplying milk at no cost, immigrants will find a way over, under, around, or through Trump’s beloved wall.

    Quick reminder, walls not only keep people out, they keep people in.

  88. anastasia says:

    Unz should stop comparing “hispanics”. No such thing.

    If these people were put in jail in New York, how would they classify them?

    https://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.com/2014/08/afro-mexicans-mexicanos-negros-brave.html

  89. Heros says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Actually I think you are referring to Julius Streicher’s “Der Stürmer”, which literally translates to “The Stormer”, or more correctly “Attacker”. A Stürmgewehr is what is known as an assault rifle in the angle-sphere. Streicher was murdered after the sham and illegal trial in Nüremburg.

    Granted, Anglin could have been playing off Der Sturmer, but just because someone calls themselves a “Nazi” doesn’t mean that they are one, let alone are qualified to be one. Some sleazy jew porn star dressing up and calling himself a “nazi” in porn films doesn’t make him a “Nazi”.

    So once again it comes down to semantics and definitions. Jews think that since they kvetch and fling spittle the most, that since they own the media and the central banks, that since their holy books consider them to be gods chosen, that they can decide the meaning of “Nazi”, and they can change the meaning anytime someone says something that they don’t like.

    But lets face it, when jews get their secret orgasmic dopamine hit from using the word “Nazi”, what they really mean is Amalek, and that has nothing to do with World War II.

  90. Rurik says:

    The unfortunate truth is that in many situations “politically correct” mainstream media journalists and racially-focused anti-immigration activists may share a strong commonality of interests, and the dishonest practices of the former tend to reinforce the confused beliefs of the latter, with negative consequences for our society.

    Very well said, Sir.

    (I know I should leave it at that, but as a notorious Unz bloviator, perhaps that would be a bit anti-climactic? Or refreshing as the case may be 😉

    Please just let’s consider the “dishonest practices” of the “politically correct” mainstream media (including, of course academia and the general zeitgeist of our PC times).

    Some of those dishonest practices include such shibboleths as:

    • There are no differences between the races other than superficial skin color. Any and all outcomes in America that show disparities between the races, whether in performance gaps or incarceration rates, are all a direct consequence of white racism.

    • White people are all privileged due to their serial racial crimes of the past, and endemic current racial spoils system where white people enjoy a higher standard of living, and a lower incarceration rate. Both prima facie evidence of white racism in action, since as I’ve mentioned before, there is no difference between the races, and only the most intractable white racist [redundant] would suggest otherwise.

    Case in point here:

    https://www.sciencealert.com/father-of-dna-james-watson-stripped-of-accolades-in-ugly-racism-row

    – I was reminded of this case when I read these words from the article:

    “..that Richwine needed to be destroyed not because he was wrong but because he was right.”

    So yes, all part of the enforced PC shibboleths that There are no differences (other than meaningless skin color – which seems to set off white racists [redundant] with a vengeance) between the races, and any suggestion otherwise can only come from Neo-Nazis and KKK losers.

    • Since white people’s racism has/is obviously oppressing all the other races, it is incumbent upon all white societies to implement redress to their recalcitrant racism with necessary reforms like Affirmative Action, and especially massive and transformational non-white immigration (legal and otherwise), in order to emasculate and defenestrate the historic white, male ‘Patriarchy’ that has terrorized and enslaved and genocided all non-whites since the beginning of time. Duh.

    • Once whites finally become a minority in their former nations and societies, then and only then will racial harmony and justice be possible.

    • Blah, blah, blah.

    So your last paragraph Mr. Unz- struck a chord with me, Sir.

    As for respective crime rates, (which I’m grateful to you for expounding upon, and clearing up much ignorance and misinformation), I sill can’t escape the idea that crime rates in and of themselves, are not the crux of the matter.

    Consider Palestine, where (like Europe and N. America) a people and culture had existed for centuries, as relatively homogeneous and harmonious, even as it accepted its minorities and assorted immigrants from other races and cultures, until one day, when all in the sudden, the Palestinians were minorities in their former nation.

    According to official data Only about a quarter of the prisoners held in Israeli jails are Jews.(According to Israel Prison Service) 73 percent of overall prisoners are non-Jews Security prisoners and Criminal prisoners together.[7][8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Israel

    “about a quarter of the prisoners held in Israeli jails are Jews”

    A ‘quarter of the prisoners’, when we all know Jews are some 75% of the population!

    So talk about a crime disparity, eh?!

    So, if you were to calculate the benefits of Jewish immigration to Palestinians- in Israel- based on crime statistics, then they should all be celebrating the immigrants as a wonderful boon to their society and their way of life, since the respective crime figures for Jews vs. non-Jews, shows a massive benefit to the society at large from the Jewish immigrants, no?

    And if so, then how could anyone feel any sympathy for those (racist?) Palestinians who aren’t sufficiently grateful to the recent immigrants?

    Just another way of looking at the big picture, IMHO.

    And thank you for all your thought-provoking research and insights.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  91. TheOldOne says:

    This nutball attitude of Mr. Unz is a huge blemish on the reputation of an otherwise courageous author.

  92. Will mass immigration solve world poverty. Absolutely not!

  93. Of course, all of the Iranian and Armenian suspects are counted as white. A cursory check of LA’s most wanted list confirms this.

  94. Unz is right, particularly on the substance of the 1965 Act – the legal immigration is the problem while we focus on the Southern border.
    However, the visual aspect of the border will not go away – we as a country are video watchers who don’t read and are thus not convinced by reason. In addition, the threat of Central America beginning a larger mass migration is always there.
    Bottom line – the cost of DaWall is a pittance in comparison to the absolutely outrageous cost of empire which is in the process of collapsing our society, culture and country – build DaWall and end the Act of 1965!
    If we don’t – war is in our future – SOON!

  95. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    https://medium.com/s/story/12-years-ago-today-my-wife-was-murdered-by-an-undocumented-immigrant-b2ae355a1f99

    Twelve years ago today, at approximately 5:30 p.m., I walked into my wife’s office and found her dead in what appeared to be a suicide. And her death remained a suicide until five days later when her killer, a 19-year-old undocumented immigrant from Ecuador, was arrested. […]

    And let me be even clearer about this: I hate Adrienne’s killer. … But I also hate what Donald Trump has done to America in exploiting murders like Adrienne’s to summarily demonize and scapegoat an entire segment of our population because, for political purposes, he’s compelled to tear the nation apart and turn us against each other. I hate how he’s broad-stroked immigrants, who in desperation seek to cross our borders for a better, safer life, as gang members, thugs, and murderers—a reprehensibly false charge not supported by statistics. The truth is, Americans have more to fear from their fellow citizens than from undocumented immigrants.

    Also

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/24/opinion/my-wifes-killer-was-not-an-illegal-immigrant.html?_r=4
    But Adrienne was not murdered by an illegal immigrant, per se. She fell victim to a depraved killer who simply happened to be an undocumented immigrant. It is an obvious distinction, almost too obvious, but it’s an important one to consider as the country goes further down the dangerous path of demonizing those not born here.

    Ostroy is a highly successful man, a CEO of a company named after him, and having his wife murdered did not change his mind. I suspect nothing could.

    Trump is a class traitor articulating a feeling in a community not his own, rather than facts. The other day Nialll Ferguson quoted Charles S. Maier ” Borders are more than just barriers; for some they guarantee community and belonging.” Ferguson also pointed out that a fifth of the 700 million people in the world who would like to leave their own country have America as first choice to settle permanently in.

  96. @Tyrion 2

    I am not implying anything about their smell/moral worth or whatever. Don’t be an imbecile.

    You don’t even realize what you implied, you flatulent fool!

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  97. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting, the difference between Meso Hispanics, Caribbean Hispanics, and Blacks.

    I suspect the major difference is that Meso Americans migrate for economic reasons and work hard, frequently repatriating money back to families in their home countries.

    Not the same for Puerto-Ricans or Blacks that have become concentrated in urban areas over generations and do not find work – whether that be caused by societal racism, community dysfunction (breakdown of family etc), or likely a combination of both.

    Ron, do you have thoughts on this?

  98. @Mr McKenna

    But you don’t have a country. You don’t have a homeland, franchise, rights, and in the end you don’t have a right to exist as anything more than chattel, landless serf and a cheap sacrifice.

    Sad to see so many who still don’t understand their fate. If only they did, perhaps it would not be so.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  99. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Anti-immigration advocates latch on to “”Illegal Immigration” despite all the statistics Ron Unz can present for the simple reason that it is illegal.

    Illegal = bad. Simple, easy to understand, and generally true.

  100. @Agent76

    The Empire holds by far the most prisoners than any other country on earth, in both absolute numbers and per capita.

    And not a former presidential mass murderer or their accomplices among them!

    • Replies: @Agent76
  101. To sum up: the “alt-right” is wrong about the exact text of the 1965 Immigration Act, therefore they’re wrong about the need for a wall — and everything else. A rather facile argument.

    There are now maybe 20-30 million illegal immigrants in the country. Most come through the Southern border. I’ll take a wall, thank you.

    As to crime: the acceptable rate of violent crime for immigrants is zero. That is to say, immigration to the U.S. is a privilege, not a right. Legal immigrants experience this all the time. If they commit violent crimes or crimes involving moral turpitude, out they go — or so the law says.

    Saying, “immigrant violent crime is not substantially different from white citizen crime” is some pretty weak sauce, in my opinion. Especially when an entire industry has sprung up to prevent them from being returned to their countries of origin.

    I’m surprised Ron didn’t re-up his challenge to the alt-right to find 10 examples of Hispanic illegals killing middle-class whites. Officer Ronil Singh isn’t white, so his murder wouldn’t count, in Ron’s brutal calculus. So keep hunting for those victims, alt-right!

    • Replies: @Thomm
  102. @Johnny Smoggins

    Commenter Johnny Smoggins here, may have hit upon the ultimate counterpoint to Ron Unz’s painstaking statistical analysis

    Accepting that Ron Unz is entirely correct, the question then becomes:

    WHY are USA Latino crime and murder rates, much lower than nearly all of Latin America? This deserves much thought and study

    The four lowest murder rates in the Americas are: Cuba, Canada, Chile and the United States … everyone else is worse. Latin America is fundamentally the most criminally murderous region of the world, along with some USA cities (45 of the world’s 50 most murderous are in the Americas)

    There is clear risk that as the USA becomes more ‘latinised’, its crime rates will converge toward Latin levels … unless we figure out why the difference

    Setting aside the ‘Latinos are on USA magic dirt’ idea, possibilities for the Ron-Unz-documented lower Latinx crime rate in the USA are:

    – Self-selection of the migrant populations, sending their ‘better people’, the opposite of what Trump says? or, more likely –

    – The extent and repressiveness of the quasi-police-state in the USA, almost as eager to jail Mexicans as it is to admit them over the border … combined with a gun-owning and gun-carrying USA population, both able and willing to shoot to defend their homesteads and themselves

    Latin American countries simply do not have the law enforcement funding, the police power and infrastructure, to do USA-style-patrolling; nor do they have the rather savage USA culture of multiple-decades-long imprisonment … and their peoples are generally denied guns

    We now have a fascinating real-life social experiment in Brasil, as their new President Jair Bolsonaro, begins arming law-abiding Brazilian citizens with encouragement to ‘Fight Crime – Shoot Back’, as the USA car bumper stickers say

    The odds are that a much more Latino USA polity, will also start to have Latin-America-style institutions and policing, gun control etc … leading to the likelihood that the Ron Unz statistics will over time converge to the Latin American mean

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Doogie
    , @anonymous
  103. @Rurik

    Excellent points!

    Jail population statistics reveal more about who’s in power than who the criminals are, especially when criminals are in power, which they usually are. It seems worthwhile to consider who the inmates in Soviet gulags were, as well.

    Anyone who thinks government has the answer to the immigration problems they perceive is just being naive.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  104. For my college thesis in 1996 I studied the Immigration Reform Act of 1996 and the history of immigration to the US since its inception.

    The Hart Celler act implemented chain migration and the rescinding of the “not become a public burden” provision of US immigration.
    Immigrants prior to this horrific act were predominantly able bodied men. After this act they were the extended families, the elderly, the infirm, women and children. Hardly the great labor force our would be executors portray them as.

    Prior to that 1965 abomination, one had to prove that they would not become a public ward and that they were the sole responsibility of their sponsors. That was the most destructive aspect of the policy. It was far worse than removing the National Origins quota that kept the face of the nation as it was.
    It is disingenuous to cite other supposed statistics in this act’s defense. The 1965 act is the origin of all our troubles now.
    Also, the historical fixing of this act amidst LBJ’s “War on Poverty” changes the dynamic far away from Mr. Unz’s writing.
    Immigrants prior to FDR and LBJ had guarantees of NOTHING. No Medicaid, NO welfare, no foodstamps. Ask the Irish immigrants of what benefits they received for showing up – if they didn’t accept a Union rifle and serve as canon fodder, they got nothing. Ask an Italian immigrant what they got – slave labor and life of poverty in a tenement.

    That all changed during the great welfare expansions. Whilst my relatives faced prison for having their children go to work to support their family, the “immigrants” who came after received benefits that the native born did not. It is a tremendous disservice to truth to ignore these matters. It is despicable to not mention the “safety nets” available during the waves that followed 1965.

    Perhaps my Senior thesis and a now full understanding of my own “immigrant experience” with a century of documents on my own genealogy gives me a firm understanding of these matters. Where my immigrant relatives were handed nothing and derided, the new “immigrants” get everything.

    • Replies: @gregor
  105. Anon[231] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Unz couldn’t be playing to Hispanic voters with a 2020 presidential run in mind could he? When he told truth about 9/11, the holohoax and the Jewish religion in excellent articles I wondered if he could possibly have 2020 in mind and the numerous votes of Trump supporters. One can’t be responsible without being respectfully wary…

    Where does Unz comprehensively address the issues related to ‘divide & rule’ that continue to weaken the nation, the un-assimilating numbers, and the so-far-succeeding Globalist Neocon agenda? Given the realities, Unz (emerging as an ‘elite’) may indeed be the best candidate in 2020 but it doesn’t look like the gentile West as sovereign, or even the gentile white race (especially white gentile males), have much chance of surviving if the (3,000 year+ agenda) continues to succeed:

    What’s happening throughout the West, Middle East & beyond, grassroots up, is supposed to continue until enough of the world is mired in chaos & crime, trashed and rootless, for Globalists, assisted by disposable crews of traitors and invaders, to claim dominance & ownership? How long will their disposable crews live beyond their usefulness? http://rense.com/general64/pordc.htm and https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-18-the-globalist-plan-to-exterminate-humanity-useless-eaters.html

  106. IMMIGRATION CRIME QUESTION

    Why do so few Western European legal immigrants to the US commit crimes? The crime rate among immigrants from Western Europe to the US is zero.

    Why are Western European immigrants able to learn English?

    Why don’t Western European immigrants have gangs?

    Why do Hispanic immigrants have more gangs and crime than other immigrant groups? Yes, the Russians in tiny ethnic pockets have a mafia and so do some Asians but it is nothing compared to the epidemic of street crime we associate with Hispanics?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  107. @Sowhat

    I agree. The ONLY ISSUE that is of any consequence is the Constitutionality of Illegal Immigration. End of discussion. All other articles are irrelevant.

    Unimportant, thus, is letting in hostile immigrants.
    As I heard an immigrant from the south say, he was still at the south side of the border ‘the USA is nothing, the USA is racist”.
    Do not suppose that those writing the beloved USA Constitution ever considered the possibility of letting in a fifth column under the guise of migration.

    Defending European cultures may make it necessary to discriminate.
    The Dutch Republic understood this during our rebellion to catholic king Philips II, raised in the Spanish feudal theocracy.
    We discriminated catholics.

  108. @Thea

    “Indians also have a low crime rate but I’m pissed about the ruination of roadside motels.”

    If only your pappy and mommy had bought those roadside fleebags then we would not be facing the curry motels’ crisis… now do your part and buy one to turn it into a real American Motor Inn!

    • Replies: @mr meener
  109. @Buzz Mohawk

    It would be interesting to know what total, annual number of immigrants Mr. Unz thinks would be best, and how he arrives at that number.

    His writings on this subject have convinced me that it is foolish to focus on illegal immigration, except to count it as part of the total number.

    Again:

    It would be interesting to know what total, annual number of immigrants Mr. Unz thinks would be best, and how he arrives at that number.

    This is an important issue, and Mr. Unz is an important writer. I really would like to have an answer to my question. What is a good number?

  110. @smellyoilmanafteryourwealth

    se·man·tic
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    adjective
    relating to meaning in language or logic.

  111. As I have been saying for a long time, I buy Ron Unz’s arguments that Hispanic crime rates are not substantially higher than white American ones. They’re statistically consistent, and, not less importantly, they are concordant with observed reality (having lived for about a year in a 40% Hispanic lower-middle income community).

    That said, it’s fascinating to me that Latin American countries – especially the Central American ones from which the decided bulk of immigration to the US is now drawn from – have some of the very highest homicide rates on the planet, even higher than the (official, at any rate) figures from Sub-Saharan Africa.

    Approximate homicide rates:

    Hispanic Americans – 2/100,000
    Mexico – 20/100,000
    Central America – 50+/100,000

    The real question must be about why exactly Central American crime is so far off the charts. And, of course, assessing the risk that this carries over to the US along with their rising demographic weight (i.e., by them recreating the institutions that contribute to such high rates in their home countries).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Rurik
  112. Why do people think Ann Coulter is anything other than a slutty bimbo? She sure acts like one…

    • LOL: atlantis_dweller
    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Anon
  113. The common denominator among the Puerto Ricans and the Dominicans is the presence of negroid blood, which is clearly absent among Mesoamerica-nos… perhaps that is a big factor.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  114. TKK says:
    @Anon

    Agreed.

    I work for/with illegal Mexican and Central American people weekly.

    Ron is floating the myth of the unlimited pie theory.

    Let’s use my associate Joel as an example. He and his GF have 4 children. Their EBT Snap ( free food) benefits are $1300 per month.

    They also have 6 free mobile phone, which come with SNAP.

    They use the local ER for every medical need- from an ear infection to one of the little’s girls ulcerative colitis surgery.

    They never pay a penny.

    Conversely- all of Joel’s money is cash and untaxed. He contributes zilch to the largess his and his off spring receive.

    Landscaping, working on a hog farm and setting up a large tents for parties for other Mexicans. All of these jobs are paid in cash. He makes a lot more than you would think. Also the hog farmer who employs him gives him a Doublewide on the hog farm to live in for the drastically reduced price of $250 a month. It used to be a nice trailer of but Joel and his family live like critters, i. e. Drink a Yoo Hoo, drop it on the ground, burning mattresses and tires etc.

    If we take the example of Joel and multiply by millions, economically there’s no way this is sustainable. There is no way this is just.

    It is not sane.

    Joel also sends about two to $300 untaxed dollars a month to his mother in Oaxaca.

    When I asked Joe what he would do if he won the lottery, he immediately said he would go back to Mexico and build a large mansion.

    Just playing around I said you wouldn’t pay American taxpayers back for everything they have given you? He asked me if I was loco.

    I would solemnly and sincerely ask Ron to give up his Medicare when he hits 65 and to be taxed at a 70% rate so he can support his little brown friends.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Colin Wright
    , @densa
  115. I never understand how Ron remains so willfully obtuse on this. Which leaves me with Cochran’s conclusion that Ron is Fkd in the head on some things. Ron is locked on points that are orthogonal to the issue. The issue is simple, do the American people have the right to control our boarders or not? The rest is all just political maneuvering.

    1) Let us start with the facts of the 1924 and 1965 immigration laws. Ron is correct. Being correct on that is in no way sufficient to addressing the issue. The 1965 law opened the door wider to some and narrowed it for others true enough. Now had it ever been enforced in any meaningful way for the later portion he might have a point, but it wasn’t so he doesn’t.

    2) Hispanic crime rates. I think he has well established that they are only marginally higher than white crime rates. I think if the slightly higher rate is only age curve related or an actual slightly higher base rate is still an open question. Again being correct on that is in no way sufficient to addressing the issue. I accept the crime rates are substantially as shown in his 2017 California Police Shootings and Killings bar chart. As a US citizen it is still perfectly reasonable to resent each and every crime committed by illegal immigrants of any and all races and ethnicities. These are all crimes the US population should not have had to endure as these people should not have been here. We resent each assault, rape, and murder of a US citizen by an illegal immigrant with no regard for race or ethnicity of either victim or perpetrator.

    What is the appropriate rate to set legal immigration is a stupid discussion to have at this time if we don’t first establish that we the American citizens have a right to enforce the law we already have established. Now myself I would prefer Operation Wetback style enforcement against the illegal aliens inclusive of the DACA recipients. Given I don’t see a political path to that right now, I find a southern boarder wall a perfectly reasonable and cheap first step to establishing the right of the American people to control our boarders. It is not the end, but rather just one step in the right direction.

  116. Anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @TKK

    Well said!

  117. c matt says:
    @Ron Unz

    To the extent your point is that violent crime rates are not an evidence based reason for cracking down in illegal immigration, or building the wall, you make a solid argument. But that does not address the economic, cultural and political arguments.

    Personally, with or without the immigration issue, the country is just too damn big and divided, and should just break up into regional nations which then could cooperate where they wish, and give the big middle finger to each other where they don’t. Texans don’t need Californians abandoning the Golden State for the Lone Star state only to turn the former into the latter, and vice-versa.

  118. Fascinating reading. As to the validity of Mr. Unz’ conclusions, well–at the very least I will take them under consideration. Nevertheless and any way you cut it, the fundamental issue remains whether or not the United States can afford the sheer numbers of poor and illiterate immigrants from ANY part of the world–whether legal or illegal–and the answer is clear: No!! One point though, and the graph showing the level of violent crime in cities of population 250K or more is telling, Unz has clearly underscored the levels of black crime which, if his numbers are correct, seem to dwarf those of Hispanics and whites.

  119. nickels says:

    Admittedly, I don’t have time for the full arguement, but two thoughts:
    1) I lived in New Mexico. If you like everything that isn’t nailed down to be stolen, your car not to be lit on fire, your tax money to go to a bunch of single mom losers pumping out pre-criminals destined to shoot each other at weddings, and to not feel like you can’t explore the state because you might be murdered, then; by all means turn your country into a latin state.
    Arguments are one thing, reality is another.

    2) latins have 2/3 of this hemisphere under their demographic rule. Anglo/Germanics have a very small part of the Americas and would do well to fight for their own demographic dominance.

    Simple fact: Jews do not get in, they are forever a fringe element within our societies, by their own choice. They simply cannot understand the benefit of being part of your own motherland and your own cultural homeland. Their entire identity is based on despising everyone around them, moaning and groaning and blaming everything on someone else. So it is not surprising that they will NEVER get it.

    In this regard, it would probably do jews well to live in Israel for 5 years or more so they could actually grasp this concept of ‘narod’. Then they might at least understand what they are doing when they argue we should destroy our homeland.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  120. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    The remaining American Whites in Los Angeles are the wealthy.

    The pre and post Hispanic invasion crime rates are similar because prior to the Hispanics driving the blacks out the blacks committed most of the crime. Blacks in = more crime. Blacks out = less crime

    A city with 10 percent blacks 80 percent Whitrs 10 percent other will have the same crime rate as a 50 percent Hispanic 30 percent White 20 percent other city because blacks commit so much crime

    San Francisco is an excellent example. The highest percent of black population
    Was 11 percent yet for decades they were responsible for most of the crime.

    The Russian Armenian Persian Israeli White immigrants in Los Angeles are heavily into White collar crime but not street crime. So are the Asian small business people.

    So which is worse? Paying for 12 gallons of gas but only getting 10 1/2 gallons every time you fill up your entire life? Or getting robbed or smashed by a drunk reckless driver once in your life time?

  121. Hispanics have lower IQ’s and vote Democrat.

    Why would I want more of that?

  122. @Reuben Kaspate

    She is not a slutty bimbo, And I am sorry but you do not know much.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  123. CharlesD says:

    I object to the concept of “White” nationalism. White is not a culture or an ethnicity, it is pigmentation – no more, no less. I have nothing in common with another person simply because his/her skin color is similar to my own, nor am I necessarily at odds with someone whose color is different. I can understand the anti-immigration fears of the Europeans because they actually have a unique culture to defend. Being French or German or Dutch means something. Having pinkish skin doesn’t. Let’s not try to pretend that there is an American culture. We have a sameness driven by corporate marketing and mass-market religion but that should not be confused with anything approaching social cohesiveness, much less tradition.

    We need to control immigration but not because immigrants are bad people or will pollute our non-existent purity in some way. We need to focus on the economy. For decades, the US has allowed employers to use the visa system to drive down wages by hiring immigrants when US citizens would have cost them a bit more. That needs to end. Employers who hire undocumented workers need to be arrested, tried and sentenced to prison. We can get somewhere when “conservatives” stop repeating racist memes and “liberals” stop finding a racist under every rock.

    I am a leftist and read Unz Review because there are insightful, intelligent, well-written articles here (including the one above) that I cannot find in the so-called progressive media. The media on both sides tends to search for click-bait rather than careful analysis and it’s refreshing to find a real alternative.

  124. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    Jail population statistics reveal more about who’s in power than who the criminals are,

    Very often true Jacque, but then there are many variables in the witches’ brew, alas.

    Here the Wiki link sounds a little like Unz article, lamenting a certain regrettable proclivity, it seems.

    The number of Ethiopian-Israeli Jews minors imprisoned in Ofek Prison is approximately 20%, 27 out of 135 Minors prisoners and 27 out of 65 Jews prisoners in this prison (The only Criminal prison for minors in Israel). Substantially overrepresented, considering the Ethiopian Jews make up only 2% of the Israeli population.[9]

    So I don’t put the over-representation of blacks in America’s prisons down to a racist society, but rather that blacks have many obstacles to overcome. Not least of which is an ((orchestrated)) black societal break-down of the family, and traditional cultural and spiritual moral foundations that lead to success and happiness.

    But that’s all a little off topic I suppose.

  125. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    Ivy League university law degree, worth millions because of her numerous published books. Her occupation / profession is author. Slutty bimbos don’t graduate from Ivy League law schools and write books on politics race and current events.

    Do you have an Ivy League law degree? Do you earn your living as a published author? Have you earned millions in your life time through your writings?

    What exactly makes you think Coulter is a slutty bimbo? Because she’s a beautiful blonde with great legs and slim body? If Coulter looked like the hideous Chelsea Clinton or Rachel Maddow would you respect her more?

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  126. Thomm says:
    @Bragadocious

    I’m surprised Ron didn’t re-up his challenge to the alt-right to find 10 examples of Hispanic illegals killing middle-class whites.

    That was surprise #1.

    Surprise #2 that there was no mention of his ‘important software work’ this time. That means that this time, the gloves are off and he means bidness!

    • LOL: TelfoedJohn
  127. @Joe Independent

    ‘My reaction to your latest pieces on immigration, as an East Coast transplant who lived in California for a few years, and who’s spent much time around Hispanics in both parts of the country, was that the argument about California seemed right…’

    Ron’s argument is valid enough — as far as it goes. Yes, Hispanics are mighty fine folks.

    But it doesn’t follow that we should let in more of them — or more of anyone else.

    It’s pretty simple. There are enough people in the country already, and we’ve got enough diversity to last us the rest of the century. Close the doors!

    Ideally, about forty years ago, but failing that, now. Really, we’ve just gone through an episode like the wave of immigration to the United States that ended in the early twenties. We had upheaval then; that was the genesis of that incarnation of the KKK. We slammed the doors then, and things got all better.

    We need to slam the doors now. You want to be reunited with your family? Go back home. No one’s stopping you.

  128. Tulip says:
    @MEH 0910

    Werewolves would be a fine addition. Its the Chupacabra that they are bringing over. . .

  129. nickels says:
    @DESERT FOX

    When each nation is full of every nationality, there are, in reality, no more nations.
    That is why globalists push immigration.

  130. Ron Unz says:
    @anastasia

    Here is the prison population by race in New York

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/image003.html (shows hispanic group much larger than white)

    …But I know a jail guard, and he says that while the largest group is black, the second largest group is hispanic and whites make up an infinitesimal number compared to both.

    I really do wish that people would actually read my article…

    As I emphasized in my text, the Caribbean Hispanics who dominate New York have quite high crime rates, and my Hispanic Crime chart shows that even after adjusting for age, a dozen years ago they were about 150% more likely to be incarcerated than whites of the same age. Without adjusting for age, they were 350% more likely to be incarcerated, and perhaps that figure is even higher today. Since Hispanics are now about 20% of the NY population, your claims seem perfectly plausible.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  131. @nickels

    ‘…In this regard, it would probably do jews well to live in Israel for 5 years or more so they could actually grasp this concept of ‘narod’. Then they might at least understand what they are doing when they argue we should destroy our homeland.’

    It’s a red herring, and opens a can of worms to boot, but I don’t think Israel has a fully-developed sense of national identity. The various groups of Jews won’t even let their children go to school with each other, for example. It’s all merely a congerie of unrelated peoples who happen to have ancestors who once notionally practiced what they professed to be the same religion.

    You no more get a nation on the grounds that the inhabitants are Jews than you’d get a nation if you packed a bunch of Filipinos, Norwegians, and Cubans all together and declared them a people on the grounds that they were all Christians. Ron Unz — of German extraction, to go by the name — has little more in common with a Yemeni Jew than I do, for all practical purposes.

  132. @Reuben Kaspate

    ‘The common denominator among the Puerto Ricans and the Dominicans is the presence of negroid blood, which is clearly absent among Mesoamerica-nos… perhaps that is a big factor.’

    It most certainly is. You might as well equate white and black English-speakers. After all, the blacks usually have some white blood in them, so…

  133. Ron Unz says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Why are the facts in this essay so little known? Ron Unz explains them well, but in a long format that few people will have the attention span to read, an essay that is 5,700 words long (that’s 40 tweetfuls)…So some unsolicited advice: Rewrite this essay as many shorter essays on its various points…Information delivered in Ann Coulter-size chunks will be more easily assimilated by the general public.

    Actually, a 140 character Tweet is probably less than 30 words. So my long article would actually be something like 200 Tweetfuls.

    Maybe I should just break it up into 200 separate sentences, and publish each one separately. Or better yet, turn the whole thing into a series of “memes” involving cartoon frogs and crude insults…

  134. Doogie says:
    @Brabantian

    LatAm casualties are grossly inflated by cartel wars.

  135. I also persist in thinking that Ron’s tolerance for the Hispanic tide owes much to his economic position.

    He’s wealthy enough so that Hispanics are not competition for either housing or jobs or recreational opportunity. On the contrary, they’re cheap, agreeably docile, usually very industrious and competent domestics and handymen. I’ve been there, to some extent. Marcelino the Guatemalan was great!

    However — as I’ve already said — Ron would sing a different tune if he were a carpenter and trying to compete with people just as good as he who were perfectly willing to work — hard — all day for a hundred dollars. It’d be a different matter if he too was trying to buy a house in a poorer neighborhood. From such points of view, the drawbacks to the Hispanic flood become more apparent. It’d matter if your actual neighbors not merely wouldn’t, but couldn’t, speak English. I’m in an all-white town now. It’s nice to be able to talk to your neighbors, and even to be able to make certain basic assumptions about shared attitudes, even if it might be best not to bring up Israel.

    We can’t all be as wealthy as Ron, or as established in a field that makes him immune to Hispanic competition. Perhaps we find ourselves forced to look past that fact that indeed, Rosa’s a mighty fine little gal.

  136. @Ron Unz

    ‘Maybe I should just break it up into 200 separate sentences, and publish each one separately. Or better yet, turn the whole thing into a series of “memes” involving cartoon frogs and crude insults…’

    That last sounds distinctly entertaining. Go for it!

  137. @Ron Unz

    ‘I really do wish that people would actually read my article…’

    Well, I did read this one through (and mighty fine it was, too), but speaking for myself, I have been known to read titles and post.

    Saves time, and you can just go right ahead and say exactly what you think.

  138. Ron Unz says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The real question must be about why exactly Central American crime is so far off the charts.

    Well, I’m no expert on Central America, but here’s a little speculation about El Salvador, which has by far the highest homicide rate…

    It’s a poor country with a bad government and extremely high population density, 6x that of Mexico and 2x that of New York State. There was also a brutal civil war for about a dozen years until 1992 that supposedly killed 75,000 people and turned another million or so into refugees. Add in all the lucrative drug-gang violence, and a high homicide rate isn’t so terribly surprising. After all, the killings are still substantially below what they were during the war, and presumably a good fraction are committed by the former combatants and their successors.

    I’d be curious to know what the homicide rate is among “civilians,” i.e. non-gangsters.

  139. @TKK

    ‘Agreed.

    I work for/with illegal Mexican and Central American people weekly.

    Ron is floating the myth of the unlimited pie theory.

    Let’s use my associate Joel as an example. He and his GF have 4 children. Their EBT Snap ( free food) benefits are $1300 per month.

    They also have 6 free mobile phone, which come with SNAP.

    They use the local ER for every medical need- from an ear infection to one of the little’s girls ulcerative colitis surgery.

    They never pay a penny…’

    A good deal of this is true.

    I merely object to turning the whole immigration discussion into whether or not the immigrants are mighty fine folks.

    They may well be mighty fine folks. I still don’t want them coming in — any more than I want you and yours moving into my spare bedroom.

    That’s the point.

  140. Rurik says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The real question must be about why exactly Central American crime is so far off the charts. And, of course, assessing the risk that this carries over to the US along with their rising demographic weight

    Out of a morbid sense of the grotesque, I occasionally listen to NPR. ((National Public Radio)).

    With exacting somber intonations of the all-pervasive victimization of POC everywhere, the ‘journalists’ relentlessly expound on ‘Jose, (or Jorge or whomever) the teenage undocumented immigrant from Honduras, (or El Salvador or wherever) fleeing the ‘gun violence’ (cue knee-jerk, Pavlovian code for white racism) in his home town of _____, where daily threats and murders are a way of life’. Intoned with that trademark lugubrious sulk. [‘we all suffer from the racist patriarchy’]

    The way they’re able to do such reporting, while concurrently and directly blaming (racist) American white men (by default) for what’s going on in Honduras, (and everywhere else) is all part of the programmed foundational belief system of the reporters and listeners of NPR (CNN, NYT, Etc..)

    And of course the sub-conscious message is that these POC are suffering (due to gun violence = caused by racist white, American men), and so we owe it to them to open the gates and allow them a better life.

    That they’re coming to the very ground zero of racist, white men, is not ever given a second’s notice. It’s enough that the problems that exist in their home lands, are all a direct consequence of working class, blue collar (racist) white men. And that anyone who doesn’t want them all to come here, are .. yep, you guessed it – vile and deplorable and irredeemable racists.

    lol

    So I suppose the idea is that when enough of the persecuted victims of white racism get here, and elect enough Ocasio-Cortez’s to power, then we’ll all finally have social justice. Or something like that.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  141. John Gritt says: • Website

    Unz begins his silliness by committing the fallacy of the strawman. He introduces the Hart-Celler Act as a bogeyman strawman and then knocks it down. And then Unz introduces a red herring about mestizo (wrongly called “Hispanic”) crime, which Unz belabors over.

    The real beefs about immigration are these:

    1) Why should anyone pay taxes to Congress so Congress can borrow funds to pay for SNAP/Food stamps of illegals, i.e., criminals who are not supposed to be in the USA, as well as as Medicaid for pre-natal care / birthing anchor babies at $25,000 a pop?

    2) Why should anyone pay taxes to Congress so Congress can borrow funds to pay for low IQ foreigners to legally immigrate into the USA and likely who will need a lifetime of welfare spending by Congress all the while their children and grandchildren pull down the entire wage ladder by forcing each skill level to undercut previous wages?

    To summarize the stance anti-immigration US citizens in one sentence: Why should I be made poorer so Congress can make others richer who are not related to me and who have no historical connection to me or my ancestors?

    On a side note, Unz is not smart enough nor interesting enough to warrant the time needed to read 5,700 words spewed by him. While he might be a tech guy with technical smarts, Unz simply lacks the intellect to see the big picture as well as to see from the right viewpoint.

    A voluminous spewing of words is not a substitute for legitimate argument. Unz lacks one.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @David Baker
    , @Ron Unz
  142. @Ron Unz

    ‘…After all, the killings are still substantially below what they were during the war…’

    ! Just the opposite is true, at least for the ‘war”s waning stages. I was in El Salvador in 1987, and I calculated that the per capita homicide rate was less than it was in New York City, with the added advantage that one could meaningfully reduce the odds of getting whacked if one just avoided political activity. I doubt if either end of that statement is true today.

    In 1987, I was and felt reasonably safe. Now, I wouldn’t go near the place. As a visible foreigner, and as such, putatively rich, I’d be very, very likely to get a gun stuck in my face, and my interlocutor would probably be so high that I’d get my head blown off no matter what I did.

    El Salvador’s problems now didn’t even exist during the ‘war.’ How can the one have caused the other?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  143. @Anon

    No, I do not have a Law degree or any degree from an Ivy League school nor have I earned gazillions writing or publishing anything; however, I still do think she acts, more than she is perhaps, like a slut which could be not apt but closer to a flirty woman… is that more apropos?

    P. S. I retract the allegations of her being a bimbo, notwithstanding the blonde hair and long legs!

    • Replies: @Anon
  144. @Vergissmeinnicht

    ‘The 50% Hispanic and 25% white have similar per capita crime rates – is that correct? So, I guess most whites white flighted (used to be 70% white), right? Hence, the ones who didn’t (because they couldn’t!) were really low IQ and what-not i.e. these 25% white sub-group might just be more similar to Hispanics than to the average American white – that’s why in Los Angeles whites and Hispanics are so similar at crime rates.’

    Interesting hypothesis, but no, that’s not what’s happened.

    The remaining whites tend to be childless couples, homosexuals, professionals such as school teachers that minister to the great brown masses, self-styled artists, and the very rich living in secluded enclaves.

    A really mixed bag, in short. Basically, everyone who’s left once you subtract families with children. However, they’re hardly particularly inclined to crime.

    The awful truth is that only blacks are inherently criminal. Hispanics, like everyone else, aren’t.

    However, that’s not a reason to let them continue to come in.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  145. @Thomm

    The big problem with bringing in only skilled immigrants with no cap is that it causes a brain drain on those countries losing their smartest citizens – the ones who could most help them if they stayed at home. Thus it makes those societies even more dysfunctional than they currently are. How about if we do a better job of educating our OWN citizens and giving them preference for jobs instead of hiring Indians who are happy to work for less?

    • Replies: @Thomm
  146. No Ron, not buying it. I will repeat what I said before and share my experiences once again.

    My car was hit by an illegal. He gave me false info. Total loss.

    I was robbed at gunpoint by three hispanic gang members. The cops said this crew had robbed three other people and were still at large.

    My building was tagged, “Hate white people. Hate blue eyes.”

    My niece got knocked up by a mexican who got her hooked on heroin. He’s long gone but she is ruined. She’s 25, looks 55. Most of her teeth are gone. She’s OD’ed a few times, rehab, hospital, family is devastated. She puts $10 under the door mat outside, calls the mexican drug dealer, half hour later the heroin is under the doormat.

    I was run out of my job by mexicans and blacks. The supervisors were mostly mexicans. It was 100% a racial problem and I was targeted for being an old white man.

    I’m not making up these stories. This shit really happened.

    You will NEVER sell me on how great Hispanics are. AOC is a crazy marxist and she wants to tax whites and give the money to browns. That’s the way they think. They think we owe them something. They can all go to hell.

  147. @Rurik

    ‘…So I don’t put the over-representation of blacks in America’s prisons down to a racist society, but rather that blacks have many obstacles to overcome…’

    …and presumably, Hispanic, Asian, and the many, many flavors of white immigrants to this country didn’t face the same obstacles and dislocation?

    Why is it that only blacks, and blacks wherever they are, have such a spectacularly high crime rate? After all, it’s not just American blacks who commit crime in such disproportionate numbers. So do blacks in England, and blacks in South Africa. Ditto for blacks in Jamaica, and blacks in Nigeria. Wherever they are, whatever their social circumstances, blacks commit crime.

    Think it might be something inherent in blacks? Would that be a possibility?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  148. nickels says:

    Why do Trump supporters want to stop immigration?

    Basically everyone has shed the delusion that an inter-racial society can function. It has become clear that the problem is insolvable. Small minorities are a workable thing, but equal groups are an impossibility.
    Someone must rule indecisively. The more equal the mix, the more chaos, requiring an iron rule.

    And so it all boils down to power. Anglo/Germanics want to stop the flow of Latins so they don’t end up like South African whites.

    Latins and blacks want to increase immigration for their own power.

    Jews want to play everyone off against everyone else.

    So latin crime stats are irrelevant. Further, when a statistical model fails to match empirical reality (New Mexico, Latin America), science says we must start over. It is, after all, ‘empirical’ science.

    So all this Bourgeoisie yapping is for naught. The thing will play out as a war. There is no avoiding it.

    The towel of babel was not a suggestion.

    So what if everyone is too chicken to say it.

  149. Rurik says:
    @John Gritt

    Why should I be made poorer so Congress can make others richer who are not related to me and who have no historical connection to me or my ancestors?

    I can answer that..

    Because from the beginning of time, (just go back to ancient Greece or Rome or whatever), white men owned slaves. And were privileged, and continue to be, while POC languish and suffer!

    And not only POC, but women and Muslims and homos and Jews and so many other are all suffering the daily persecutions of racist, white men! Black men and boys walking down the street are shot like animals just because they’re black!

    And so Congress is just expressing the will of all righteous people of good will, who all repudiate racism and oppression and evil and villainy, whenever and wherever it raises is patriarchal, blue-eyed, devil’s head, that’s why.

    If you’re a woman, or person of color, or Jew or Muslim or homosexual or Hindu incel, then you not only have an obligation, but you have a historic crusade to remove these ancient villains from power, once and for all.

    Considering the gravity of this existential threat to all things decent and good, the question really becomes.. ‘Why aren’t we paying more money to Congress to borrow even more money to swamp these evil, racist, dormant Nazis and KKK David Duke types once and for all!

    Perhaps if you look at this in the ‘right-minded’ way, you’ll concede that I have a point, no?

    You just have to ‘get your mind right’, that’s all.

  150. This Unz character makes me laugh. I’ll address another Wall which divides people, and is zealously guarded with deadly force and stringent entry requirements.: That Wall is in Israel. You folks might peruse my post concerning the racist attitudes of Israel’s ‘ethnic’ Jews toward their Ethiopian brethren. Hypocritical, chutzpah projecting elites like this should have their likeness erected as targets for pie throwing contests.

  151. @Ron Unz

    Good ideas, but here’s my devil’s advocacy.

    That civil war ended in 1992, as you say – that’s basically an eternity, in terms of opportunities to restore law and order. E.g., Rwanda is an impoverished, ridiculously overpopulated Third World country, but was back to running smoothly (by African standards) a few years after their genocide and civil war. Also, Honduras and Guatemala have similarly high homicide rates.

    Also, while I’m obviously far less of a Central America expert than even you are, I suspect that it doesn’t make much sense to speak of civilians vs. gangsters. The lines are fluid, with some people leaving the gangster life, but later being pressed back into “service” (e.g. see this story from the Intercept that appeared a few months ago).

    As I understand, you have a dim view of America’s future socio-political prospects, and think there’s a non-negligible chance of some wide-ranging collapse. In such a scenario, how confident can we be that Central American crime ways don’t emerge in the Central American dominated areas of the Disunited States? Or less drastically, as the general state of incompetence and corruption (which is going to be reflected in law enforcement) continues to worsen in the US?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Ron Unz
  152. TG says:

    Interesting post.

    It should be remembered that the population explosion in Mexico was deliberately engineered by the Mexican elites. They propagandized that it was every Mexican woman’s patriotic duty to have six kids each, they gave medals to mothers with large families etc. The result was as expected: wages crashed, and profits soared, and Mexico created a record number of billionaires even as crushing poverty creates increasing instability.

    But this simple fact has been effectively censored from the public record. That’s because, if the public were reminded of how badly government policies encouraging rapid population growth turn out for the average person (as seen in Syria, and Iran, and the Ivory Coast, and South Africa, and England, and China in the early Mao days, and Japan pre-WWII, and Argentina, and Brazil, etc.etc.etc.), why the resistance to using mass immigration to force population growth higher in this country might get tougher. And that could cost our elites the ability to buy a second yacht this year, and that would never do.

    Always we are told that more people means more prosperity. Always we are lied to. When governments intervene and push for people to have ‘enough’ children as dictated by the desires of the elites, or they use mass immigration to cancel the fact of low domestic fertility rates, the result is ALWAYS lower wages for the many and higher profits for the few. Because supply and demand.

  153. @Ron Unz

    As for Trump and the FoxNews people, I think they’re just ignorant and innumerate.

    Or they simply wish to live amongst their own and to be ruled by their own. Not sure why that’s hard for people to understand.

  154. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:

    Very interesting and though provoking article, but I note Mr. Unz omitted the federal stats, excluding them. So I did a check on them:

    1) Hispanic federal prison population is 32.2 % of US Federal prison population

    2) Foreign citizens of population are 14.4 % from south America and Mexico, which we can safely assume are pretty close to 99% of them are Hispanic.

    3) leaving 17.8% of prison population is US hispanic citizens.

    4) US population estimates are that US population is 17.6~18.1 % Hispanic circa 2017.

    Sources for above

    https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_ethnicity.jsp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

    But if you consider the US hispanic population make up, about 22 million of 58 million are illegal (estiamte only), plus around 5 million more who are not citizens but here with papers. Which means the populations of non citiizen/citizen hispanic Federal detention rate rate looks like the following:

    Non-citizen Hispanic 14.4% of prison population: Non-citizen percentage ~8.3 % of US population

    Citizen Hispanic 17.8 % of prison population: Citizen percentage : ~9.6% of US population.

    It would seem on the federal level Mr. Unz analysis sort of breaks down and it is most apparent the foreign born are more likely to be criminal than Hispanic US citizens.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  155. @CharlesD

    ‘Employers who hire undocumented workers need to be arrested, tried and sentenced to prison.’

    Just a reasonable likelihood of a week in jail should do it. Employers aren’t hardened criminals; they no more want to spend a week in the pokey than you do.

    I’m Joe the roofer. One of my guys sprained his ankle over the weekend, and I’m in a jam. Do I cancel the roofing job, or do I go pick up an illegal at Home Depot?

    If there’s no plausible likelihood of a criminal penalty for doing so, I go get the illegal.

    If there is, I don’t. After all, aside from the stigma and horrendous boredom of spending a week in jail, me being out of circulation for a week is going to cost me a lot more than me being short-handed for a week.

  156. @John Gritt

    Some judges who preside over trials against slumlords sentence those people to occupy their buildings for a designated period: Object, to acquaint them with the facilities they charge tenants money to live in their rat traps. Mt. Unz should be similarly assigned to live in our neighborhood, where gang bangers regularly have shootouts, abandon and burn their stolen vehicles, deal drugs, conduct sideshows with their cars spinning around in circles at each intersection, explode tons of illegal fireworks during Cinco De Mayo, July 4th, and other holidays, and flash their ‘colors’ from their pockets when confronted. There’s a very good reason why Mexico has a population which seeks to traverse our borders to escape their poverty and violence. What escapes the notice of Mr. Unz is the predilection of those ‘undocumented immigrants’ to resurrect that environment wherever they coalesce.

    I guarantee they don’t ‘coalesce’ in his neighborhood.

  157. m___ says:
    @Tulip

    This article misses important dimensions of the immigration issue:

    Indeed. Some more arguments, to consider, to be influencing any immigration strategy. The long term, of course, the planetary situation, a global population beyond allowable limits, a need for industrial work-forces shrinking below a fraction of work forces offered. Global financialization. The disregard of “bright” individuals for systemic and conceptual, goal seeking strategies, aloft from historical models and out of “ex nihilo”. As sophisticated as the article might be, by omission, rather binary.

    In the first place, can the US territory at all be considered as a viable political entity, since the variables that constitute it’s composure are to be found outside of it’s borders, outside of it’s influence. Immigration might be best tweaked by solving and tweaking global variables. Immigration to the US, is a minor issue. Causation from an untenable, quality wise, and growing out of proportions, global population is one of the majoring issues.

  158. densa says:
    @TKK

    I agree with this. But to Ron’s point that they are not criminal (other than by coming here illegally and lying about it), I note his data doesn’t include the most recent imports. Hispanics in our area used to just cost us money and jobs. But in recent years gangs were imported, and the type of crimes they committed were off the charts by local societal standards. Fortunately the police seemed to have incarcerated (at out expense) the worst of it, but I think charts ending in 2011 are not reflecting people’s lived reality. Often crimes being committed now are by criminals who have been deported multiple time. Or, they’re people we have to house on the installment plan at the gang factories called prisons. We don’t need to import crime, as Unz points our we have our own fountain of crime, but if a wall helps keep out repeat offenders, I support it. My concern is that it takes more than a wall. If we don’t make it clear that we’re closed, millions more are on their way.

  159. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    I was in El Salvador in 1987, and I calculated that the per capita homicide rate was less than it was in New York City…El Salvador’s problems now didn’t even exist during the ‘war.’ How can the one have caused the other?

    Like I said, I don’t really know anything about El Salvador and have certainly never been there. My wartime fatality figures were just obtained by dividing the (alleged) 75,000 killings per Wiki by the length of the conflict.

    If as you say, the country had very little street crime thirty years ago and now an enormous amount, what’s your guess about the true cause?

  160. nickels says:
    @CharlesD

    “Let’s not try to pretend that there is an American culture”

    This is VERY untrue. This is certainly the goal, to demolish our culture, but far from true.
    America’s culture is about innovation, pragmatism, hard work and moral excellence.
    It is about good citizenry and the freedom that comes from that. Christianity, but tolerance also for those faiths that value family and honesty.
    American culture is our shared history, as pioneers, businessmen, innovators, even slaves and savages.

    America has a very strong culture, especially up to the 60s. After that it was attacked.

    An interesting question is to what extent people of color can identify with this culture-certainly the ethos itself does not discriminate, and the history of different ethnic groups are rolled into the mythos, but we see less and less desire from blacks and others to play along. They want their victim status and war instead.

    I agree that ‘white’ means nothing, but the shared European history means a lot-as does our local history.

    The American identity has some serious foundational flaws (freemason stupidity), but if you doubt the existence of one, you will likely find yourself, in the end, across the battlefield from a mass of people who prove your thesis wrong.

  161. Ron Unz says:
    @John Gritt

    Unz begins his silliness by committing the fallacy of the strawman. He introduces the Hart-Celler Act as a bogeyman strawman and then knocks it down. And then Unz introduces a red herring about mestizo (wrongly called “Hispanic”) crime, which Unz belabors over.

    Well, my strong impression is that something like 99% of anti-immigration activists do believe that the 1965 Act “opened our borders” and maybe 80-90% believe that Mestizo Hispanics have high crime rates. So if you say I’m just attacking a “strawman” by successfully debunking those notions, I’d say your definition of a “strawman” is different than mine…

  162. Thomm says:
    @follyofwar

    The big problem with bringing in only skilled immigrants with no cap is that it causes a brain drain on those countries losing their smartest citizens – the ones who could most help them if they stayed at home.

    I never believed that. The quality of a political regime matters (otherwise the GDR would have been as prosperous as the FRG, and North Korea would be as good as South Korea). A skilled person should have the right to take his business elsewhere.

    Plus, we care about our country first and foremost. Why not take the best (I wish we could dump the worst, but we can’t).

    Remember that another country will still take them (Canada, Australia, etc.), so they will still leave their original country.

    • Replies: @m___
  163. curri says:
    @CharlesD

    Being French or German or Dutch means something.

    Really? No one disputes that the Euros (especially those who have been part of the American Empire since 1945) have become increasingly more Americanized during the postwar period. OTOH, being “Polish” still seems to mean something-at least for the time being.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @CharlesD
  164. johnc says:

    I am looking at the PDF that was linked in the article* named “Crime in California 2015”, put together by the CA DOJ. On the page labeled 36, there is a chart showing arrests for violent offenses, broken down by age group and ethnicity. Owing to the fact that in 2015 there were about an equal number of whites and Hispanics living in CA, it seems to indicate that for every age group other than the two oldest groups, Hispanics were far disproportionately more often arrested for violent crimes than whites.

    Am I misreading this chart; and if not, how does it square with the author’s argument?

    * linked from this text in the article: “The national rise of the Black Lives Matter movement prompted California’s very liberal State Legislature to require the state Attorney General to publish exact statistics on racial/ethnic arrest rates for all crime categories throughout the state, and the most recent 2015 report showed that the racial distribution of violent crime arrests also followed a very similar pattern.”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  165. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    1) Hispanic federal prison population is 32.2 % of US Federal prison population

    2) Foreign citizens of population are 14.4 % from south America and Mexico, which we can safely assume are pretty close to 99% of them are Hispanic.

    3) leaving 17.8% of prison population is US hispanic citizens.

    Actually, I don’t think that’s correct. The 2011 GAO report I cited in my article indicated that around 25% of all federal prison inmates were non-US citizens from Hispanic countries. That would indicate that roughly 7% were Hispanic US citizens, whether naturalized or American-born.

  166. @Ron Unz

    “If as you say, the country had very little street crime thirty years ago and now an enormous amount, what’s your guess about the true cause?”

    My best Occam’s Razor guess is: Overbreeding (largely fomented on a susceptible population by the Vatican).

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  167. mr meener says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    I say ONLYWHITES SHOULS BE ALLOWED IN THIS COUNTRY EVEN IF THEY ARE POOR. we are doomed with suicidal self hating whites like you

  168. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Using crime as main reason to block ‘Hispanic’ immigration is bogus. Most ‘Hispanics’ aren’t all that violent, and even the excessive violence in Mexico owes to there being too many passive peaceful people who are afraid to stand up to the bad guys like Wyatt Earp and Wild Bill Hickok did in their time.

    The real problem is that most ‘Hispanics’ are not true Hispanics. If most people coming from the South were like Italians or Spanish — white people with slightly darker hues — , most conservatives wouldn’t mind. But the fact is the majority of them are actually browns with more indigenous blood than white blood. Thus, the make up a growing non-white constituency in America.
    While most browns are not overtly anti-white, they do have a strong sense of resentment, and this is rooted in their history in Latin America. For centuries, the browns and Mestizos were under white rule, and so, when the come to the US, they see gringos as More White People.
    Not an enemy to murder in the streets or in their beds but an oppressor class nevertheless. Such feelings are therapeutic to browns because victimology feels righteous. Feeling wronged is like Insta-Justice.
    Browns have two layers of anti-white animus. One is the animus they feel toward all whites, esp the white elites of Latin America. They know of the centuries of white rule in their own nations.
    But they also feel the animus that Latin whites feel toward Gringo whites. Latin whites have long nursed resentment about the greater achievement of Anglo-whites. White Latino intellectuals favor the Narrative that blames Yanqui Imperialismo for the backwardness of Latin America. Because browns in Latin America read books written by white Latinos, they also come to share in the anti-gringo animus. Also, white Latinos want it this way because they want to divert brown animus away from themselves toward the gringos.

    And because Latin American identity in the US is about resentment and envy, most Latinos will not side with the GOP. It is seen as the Gringo Party. Even as browns come to the US to find work under gringos(many of whom are in GOP), they feel resentment and identify more with the People of Color party. As for Latin Whites, despite the ease with which they could fit into the GOP party, they prefer the POC party because they’ve long nursed anti-gringo animus(borne of inferiority complex as the lesser and swarthier whites) themselves and because they don’t want to let the cat out of the bag that they too have historically represented ‘white privilege’. They pretend that they too are part of POC.

    Also, it’s a geo-political thing. Most immigrant folks end up in huge urban areas, and those are totally Democratic in most parts. So, the ONLY politics they know of is Democratic and Open Borders. And of course, public schools(where most immigrant kids go) spread PC to POC 24/7. It tells them that whites are privileged and POC are noble. Since Democrats parrot this line, POC feel more justified among the Democrats.

    Now, if the future of America is sealed with the fate of whites becoming a minority and Tx, Florida, Atlanta, and etc going totally ‘blue’, then the GOP can just fold its tent OR it can radically make itself the Other Democratic Party, one that appeals to the masses of all races against the elites. But that will be a huge transformation.

    Much of politics is about psychology than anything else. Even if facts say one thing, many still emotionally with something else because it makes them feel more ‘justified’. “What’s the Matter with Kansas” also applies to “What’s the Matter with POC”.

    • Replies: @mr meener
  169. Muse says:

    Maybe I should just break it up into 200 separate sentences, and publish each one separately. Or better yet, turn the whole thing into a series of “memes” involving cartoon frogs and crude insults…

    That seems like a fine idea, but really, can we move past the amphibians and pick on another class of creatures as I am sick of images of frogs and toads..

    Seriously, as for reading your article, your thesis appears to be that the practice of smearing Latino/hispanic immigrants as a highly criminal population by those favoring the restriction of immigration, illegal or otherwise is harmful to their cause. This is because the data do not support this position and secondly, this emotional and xenophobic position by some on the alt-right merely provides an opportunity for unthical MSM journalists/propagandists to point and sputter, dehumanize the anti-immigrant alt-right as deplorables. This is a suggestion to stop being stupid.

    Of note, you said a national discussion on whether immigration levels in the US are too high is long overdue, which seems to be a change from what I have viewed as your generally pro-immigration stance. Maybe I am being too hopeful here? And yet you are taking flak from commenters. Oy Veh!

  170. mr meener says:
    @Toño Bungay

    remember before the immigration reform act the country was 91% white. the IRA denied entrance to whites and 95% of those let in had to be from 4th world countries. BUT the IRA had absolutely nothing to day with the influx of 130 million nonwhites. remember that. also ted kennedy made a speech saying the IRA will NOT change the racial makeup of the country flood the cities change English as the main language not drive down wages. we are supposed to believe that the IRA which was predicted to do everything kennedy denied it would do had nothing to do with it. then we have to accept the fact that if we have say ten million white criminals we have to ADD 10 million latrino criminals to show they are just like us. so we are told that we do not have enough criminals in the US we have to add to them. I have now been enlightened

  171. mr meener says:
    @Colin Wright

    hey when one messican sprains his ankle go get another one so you as a fat bas tard can sit in a bar while others do your work. you should be jailed more then a week

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  172. m___ says:
    @Thomm

    Remember that another country will still take them (Canada, Australia, etc.), so they will still leave their original country.

    Global problems are hard to solve by thinking US. The main flaw of the article.

  173. mr meener says:
    @Anon

    with them being “non violent” they will do what is being done in south afreaka where it is now legal to kill whites and take their farms after 35-40 years same thing will happen in the US as sure as the turning of the earth. they want everything we got and then want us dead. that is the ONLY outcome we face and any other outcome is impossible

    • Replies: @Anon
  174. @Ron Unz

    Now I know where I saw you, Mr. Unz, you starred in the movie “The Boy in the Plastic Bubble”. You might cease staying in character, and enlighten yourself with visits to prisons where Hispanic gangs are dominant. Your apologist prose and color-coded graphs may undergo drastic changes once you come up against those people.

  175. Agent76 says:
    @jacques sheete

    You are absolutely spot on target!

    • Agree: Rurik
  176. BlackFlag says:

    Ron Unz Is correct.

    The true cause is that Americans didn’t make enough babies to satisfy the increased demand for labor during the booming economy of the past several decades. More money was on the side of immigration from Latinoamerica than on the haphazard attempts of restrictionists. The people fell asleep.
    An elite representative of the people would have put up a bigger fight against employers and job-seekers but probably would only have delayed things. With a Jewish elite, who mainly ranged from indifference to hatred of the majority ethnic group, there was never a chance.

    He’s right about Latino crime. Though an argument can be that in the long-term the societies which Latinos creaate are higher in crime. They’re certainly lower trust.

    If Whites in all their countries cannot be forthright about their fundamental desires – that they are a people, want their own nation governed by their own elite, do not want to go extinct – they’ll disappear.

    • Replies: @Anon
  177. There’s a distinct difference in DNA between Latinos coming from the Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico, and those from Mexico, El Salvador etc., and it is that most Puerto Ricans have a good percentage of African DNA, the same with the Dominicans. Whereas Mexico along with most of Latin America are mixed Indian and European. The Haitians are an anomaly. They’re French, right?

  178. mr meener says:

    one major aspect of the white genocide thru immigration that is NEVER brought up is what will the tens of millions of kids the messicans have going to do in society? I will tell you this…they will not pick cotton work in const or do any physical work and being mostly dumb they cannot go into the professions. what they will do is join / create gangs after being militarized in school by the blacks and seeing how much money they making as narcos. messicans worship the narcos back home. so Ron even though I think his statistics are bogus that he used here will see a gigantic rise in crime which he will not be able to hide as these kids get older. this is why so many gang member in LA and cali. they are the kids of the farm workers

  179. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz. A please to correspond, your posts are always a pleasure to read, even if I do not fully agree with all of the conclusions. Certainly your methods are such that lord Kelvin would agree with the approach.

    If you check the linked source:

    https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_ethnicity.jsp

    You will see the data is the current 2018 data, directly from Uncle Sam. You have to check two different areas on the site, as they have break down by citizenship and percentage of each ethnicity.

    Unless they are lying the 32.2 and 14.4 % figures are correct.

    Of course non-US citizen prisoners may include a lot of Mexican criminals who happen to have come over, the population drawn from is higher than just US residents, which might skew the figures relative to the state figures.

    That said, and I am certainly open to being shown wrong, it would seem the Federal statistics make an argument for secure borders.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  180. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    Colin, the LA times perhaps used to be relatively objective, perhaps in the Governor Pete Wilson days, but now it is unhinged leftist anti-Trump hysteria and anti-white racism gone wild.

    BUT, the LA Times pre-election poll of voters for the 2016 Presidential election was pretty accurate in showing just how much support Trump had, that much needs to be said.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  181. Ron Unz says:
    @johnc

    I am looking at the PDF that was linked in the article* named “Crime in California 2015”, put together by the CA DOJ. On the page labeled 36, there is a chart showing arrests for violent offenses, broken down by age group and ethnicity…Hispanics were far disproportionately more often arrested for violent crimes than whites.

    That’s basically correct, but I’d already discussed it in more detail on a previous thread:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/an-open-letter-to-the-alt-right-and-others/#comment-2721199

    In 2015, CA Hispanics were roughly 45% more likely than whites to be arrested for violent crimes. However, CA Hispanics are also far more likely than CA whites to be in the “high crime” age-range. When I wrote my 2010 Hispanic Crime article, the difference was roughly 20%-35% dependent upon which age-range we use as a standard for “high crime.”

    When I adjusted CA incarceration data by this factor, I estimated that CA Hispanics had a rate of criminality roughly 9%-27% higher than CA whites of the same age. And his is exactly consistent with the 2015 violent crime arrest data, indicating that not much seems to have changed.

    Meanwhile, in 2015 CA blacks are arrested for violent crimes at a rate roughly 300% greater than CA whites of the same age, once again very consistent with my 2010 estimates based on incarceration rates.

    • Replies: @Lot
  182. Wally says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Impeccably stated, Tyrion 2.

    As I previously posted:
    32% of Federal Inmates Are Illegal Aliens: https://cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  183. mr meener says:
    @Anon

    how does Ron with his bogus Hispanic crime numbers explain the total breakdown and sky high crime rates of messico and ALL of central and south America? the messicans have ruined acapulco and all the tourist spots. all the latrino countries are murder capitals. so we are led to believe none of the 35 million that invaded are not from a criminal failed narco countries and only the ones still there are criminals

  184. @curri

    Really? No one disputes that the Euros (especially those who have been part of the American Empire since 1945) have become increasingly more Americanized during the postwar period.

    Well, I dispute this.
    Euros, except the €, do not exist, and Americanised, how, where ?
    The idea that the American way of life, whatever that is, is popular among the common people of the EU member nations, forget it.
    Populist pressure, thus from the common people, led to the end of Dutch military activities in Afghanistan.
    USA pressure of course forced our politicians to again send some military there, for training Afghan forces.
    The independent enquiry, Davids, into our complicity in the Iraq war led to a very damning report.
    Demonstrations against USA atomic weapons at Volkel, galore.
    Suppose this was the reason that when the USA forced us to buy cruise missiles the government did anything to hide that we had these things.
    The JSF, very popular, most people happy that they cannot fly.
    What we do have is Patriot missiles, how many Dutch know of official USA reports that the things never hit anything, I do not know.
    Of course, our politicians and media, quite pro USA.
    And, of course, we have McDonald and KFC.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @curri
  185. Rurik says:
    @Colin Wright

    Why is it that only blacks, and blacks wherever they are, have such a spectacularly high crime rate? After all, it’s not just American blacks who commit crime in such disproportionate numbers. So do blacks in England, and blacks in South Africa. Ditto for blacks in Jamaica, and blacks in Nigeria. Wherever they are, whatever their social circumstances, blacks commit crime.

    Think it might be something inherent in blacks? Would that be a possibility?

    Well I consider blacks to have unique misfortunes. If white men had not bought them from Jewish slavers, and thereby put the local working white men out of a job, then the blacks wouldn’t be here in the first place. And similarly, had not the white farmers of Rhodesia [RIP], or South Africa hired all those black farm workers, thereby creating the motivation for them to immigrate in massive numbers, there again, it would have prevented the problems plaguing them today.

    Indigenous blacks didn’t ask to be brought here, and many of them are not adept at prospering in the kind of information-based economies we have here in the West. So they languish in resentment.

    Did it do the blacks any good to have white liberals pay them to have more poor black children?

    Did it do the blacks any good to have liberals demand that all their failures were a direct consequence of white racism? Thereby creating in their souls a pernicious rancor for the people who they must count on to keep them fed and housed and clothed?

    All of those problems were created by greedy and self-serving white people, especially the liberals who ‘status whore’ using blacks as their talismans of virtue and moral superiority.

    And, for what it’s worth, having scraped out an existence on the mean streets, from the bottom up, and having known and struggled alongside and worked with and commiserated with blacks (and browns and others), far more often than I’ve ever schmoozed with elites (never), I’d say I have a whole lot more in common with your average black American than I do with people like the Koch brothers, or the Bush or Clinton crime families, or John McBloodstain, [RIH], or those rotten demagogues like Bernie Sanders, who claims that poor white families have never known want or police brutality, and thereby try to sow division and hatred between poor whites and poor blacks, so that scumbag that he is, he can reap the self-serving political rewards of social strife and racial hostility.

    I don’t give blacks (or anyone else) a pass when they’re wrong, but I do feel they are mostly used by scumbag white liberals and Jews as patsies to further the agendas of those respective white liberals and Jews. All the while seething in hatred for the white guy at the other end of the assembly line with the MAGA hat on, who also has greasy clothes and fingernails.

    While the (often white) elites (millions of dollars removed) divide and conquer and laugh all the way to the bank.

  186. CharlesD says:
    @nickels

    “innovation, pragmatism, hard work and moral excellence” are certainly the qualities capitalism values, but they don’t constitute a culture. Our “shared history” is very brief compared to those of European nations and most of us didn’t even share most of it because our ancestors arrived here later in the game.

    Yes, we of the pinker hues were enlisted in the genocidal warfare against the red man, and many of us were beneficiaries, directly or indirectly, of the enslavement of the black man, and much of what we eat is picked by the near slave labor of the brown man, but we have the gall to suggest that our ethos itself does not discriminate. Our ethos is one of supremacy over those of a darker hue – that IS our shared history, not just the Pilgrims.

    We also don’t have a “shared European history”. Most Americans of European ancestry can’t distinguish the nations of Europe on a map, nor can they speak any of the European languages except English. Try asking the next person you meet about French history prior to WWI for example.

    • Replies: @nickels
    , @Colin Wright
  187. CharlesD says:
    @curri

    I was referring to the fact that being French in France means something, etc. I am not trying to imply that French-Americans or German-Americans do not have a culture – some have worked hard to maintain their culture after coming here while others have assimilated.

  188. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @mr meener

    with them being “non violent” they will do what is being done in south afreaka where it is now legal to kill whites and take their farms after 35-40 years same thing will happen in the US as sure as the turning of the earth.

    Browns have been the overwhelming majority in most Latin American nations, and they still haven’t rounded up whites and genocided them.

    Blacks did so in Haiti, and blacks may do so in South Africa.
    But it hasn’t happened in Latin America.

    Two reasons perhaps:

    1. Browns are less violent and aggressive than blacks.

    2. Extensive race-mixing made a lot of browns part-white, and they aren’t sure whose side to take: Whites or Indigenous folks. In some ways, they feel closer to the native browns, but they aspire to be with whites who are more successful.

  189. Poco says:
    @Liza

    I hate idiots like you. The white population has stopped it’s demographic growth.

    • Replies: @Liza
  190. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    You will see the data is the current 2018 data, directly from Uncle Sam. You have to check two different areas on the site, as they have break down by citizenship and percentage of each ethnicity.

    Unless they are lying the 32.2 and 14.4 % figures are correct.

    That’s very odd. According to the 2011 GAO report, 27% of federal inmates were non-citizens, with probably 90+% of them being from Hispanic countries (cf. pp. 7-9):

    https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf#page=13

    It seems rather strange that over just a few years the percentage of incarcerated Hispanic non-citizens would have fallen so drastically from the 25% GAO figure I had found.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  191. Wally says:
    @Bruno

    “When the Latinos come, they import their cultural habits wich are extremely far from Anglo-saxon and German stock wich defined America. Trains are never on time there. And in many of those countries, people are constantly ransomed by mafia just to survive. I doubt they won’t import their practices.”

    Indeed. brown & black ‘hispanics’ / non-white Latin Americans without fail end up turning their neighborhoods in US into the same filthy places they left.

    Sh-thole countries are such because of their inhabitants behavior And that behavior they bring with them when they enter other countries.
    This is not the previous, much higher IQ Europeans immigrants we’re talking about here.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  192. nickels says:
    @CharlesD

    Try getting out of the city.

  193. @nickels

    The only USA culture I recognise in this comment is keeping up the mentioned myth about USA culture:

    America’s culture is about innovation, pragmatism, hard work and moral excellence.
    It is about good citizenry and the freedom that comes from that. Christianity, but tolerance also for those faiths that value family and honesty.
    American culture is our shared history, as pioneers, businessmen, innovators, even slaves and savages.

    Wishful thinking, my conclusion from several visits to the USA, books, articles, internet discussions.

    But I admit, MSM, politicians, USA experts here in the Netherlands seem convinced about the quoted USA culture.
    So convinced, that, when I send them an e mail criticising their fairy tales, I never get an answer.

    Understandable, a maybe a decade ago quite a few Dutch members of parliament complained about interference by the USA ambassador in Dutch politics.
    Their complaints had effect, they never complained again.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @nickels
  194. @Anatoly Karlin

    As I understand, you have a dim view of America’s future socio-political prospects

    Dim meaning here: ‘culturally remaining European’.

  195. @jilles dykstra

    Until today nobody has explained how 44 million people could dominate the whole world.

    They believed the “world island”, “heartland” nonsense of Halford Mackinder and Wagner’s son-in-law Houston Stewart Chamberlain. (Wikipedia categorizes both as “English people of Scottish descent”.)

    It’s almost as if these Anglo-Scots pulled a fast on the Jerrys. The Anglo-Saxons knew better that controlling the seas was key to world power.

  196. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    Notice that over almost a quarter of young black males are incarcerated at any given time…It would follow that something like half of all young black males are criminals.

    Actually, that’s not quite correct, and I think my (somewhat confusing) chart is partly to blame for the confusion. Although the denominator is the young black male population, the numerator is the *total* number of black inmates, including women and all ages. The intent was to indicate the relative criminality of a given population. The actual fraction of late-20s black males behind bars when I wrote my Hispanic Crime article was 12%:

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf#page=10

    However, when I did my later Race/Crime article I pointed out Census data indicates that over a quarter of urban black males have “gone missing”—being dead or in prison—by their 40s.

  197. mr meener says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    while you sit on your fat ass on disability with a fake injury?

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  198. @Ron Unz

    Why are the facts in this essay so little known? Ron Unz explains them well, but in a long format that few people will have the attention span to read, an essay that is 5,700 words long

    This is exactly what Sarrazin writes on how Germany is destroying itself through migration: ‘hardly anyone is still able to read an article of a few pages with intellectual content’
    Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010

  199. @jilles dykstra

    Populist pressure, thus from the common people, led to the end of Dutch military activities in Afghanistan.

    And the Spice Islands as well?

    And, of course, we have McDonald and KFC.

    Inexplicable in France, Italy, or Japan. But every guidebook to the Netherlands I’ve seen calls the national dish rijsttafel . Which is not Dutch, but from the Spice Islands.

    I suppose that isn’t that much different from tea in Britain and coffee and pizza in the US. But when I think of Holland, I think of stroopwafels, Edam and Gouda.

  200. @M.P.R

    What is your evidence for saying “Zionists” are “purveyors of the race IQ”(or indeed that white nationalists are)? If by “Zionists” you mean Jews you would be completely wrong in my experience. Indeed, ever since Hitler Jews have been in the lead in denying race altogether. But you are obviously a very casual observer whose ideas on psychometric has been picked up from the witterings of journalists and SJWs who thought Stephen Jay Gould might be an honest scientist.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Rurik
  201. Ron Unz says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    As I understand, you have a dim view of America’s future socio-political prospects, and think there’s a non-negligible chance of some wide-ranging collapse. In such a scenario, how confident can we be that Central American crime ways don’t emerge in the Central American dominated areas of the Disunited States?

    I really tend to doubt that. For example, CA currently seems to have lots of rather impoverished Hispanic areas, both urban and rural, and as far as I can tell, most of them tend to have pretty low crime rates. Things have been that way for many, many years.

    Someone who’s apparently pretty familiar with El Salvador said upthread that it also used to have pretty low rates of “street crime.”

    So I really can’t say why it’s gotten so bad over the last couple of decades.

  202. @Colin Wright

    “I’m Joe the roofer. One of my guys sprained his ankle over the weekend, and I’m in a jam. Do I cancel the roofing job, or do I go pick up an illegal at Home Depot?”

    Realizing that this comment might spark a tangent I’m really not interested in, but another answer is you call the local roofers union hall and they send you one. Depending on who you talk to, they may even give you the contact info of several roofers interested in cash jobs on the side.

  203. FvS says:

    I’d hate to see what would have happened had the 1965 Immigration Act OPENED our borders. Dios mio!

    Make America Mexico Again! Reconquista!

  204. @Ron Unz

    ‘…If as you say, the country had very little street crime thirty years ago and now an enormous amount, what’s your guess about the true cause?’

    My guess is that a whole lot of people have come and gone to the US — something like 20% of the population of El Salvador now resides in the US.

    We deport back a whole lot of gang members, for one thing. Kids come up here, get into gangs, get deported, find themselves on the street in a Third World country…they don’t start trying to make a living shining shoes or hoeing corn.

    Then a lot of remittance money gets mailed back. That’s gotta have an inflationary and disruptive effect. What happens if you keep adding money but real productivity stays the same?

    Finally, whatever the traditional order of Salvadorean society was, it’s largely been destroyed now. From what I’ve heard, it’s literally the law of the jungle there. One can’t even operate a business; to do so simply makes one a target for extortion.

    Everyone who can, gets out and goes to the US. Those who can’t, join a gang. It’s bad, and getting worse.

    Something like that, anyway. As I say, I’m just guessing. Clinically, it all should make an interesting study in sociological collapse. After all, El Salvador used to be a functioning society; perhaps not especially equitable, but it functioned. Not any more.

  205. @Tyrion 2

    The big unmentioned (despite plenty of real world partial models) is the logical option of not allowing most immigrants (or their families) to become voting citizens for a very long time.

  206. Art says:

    Is crime the only determining factor in immigration?

    The reason to oppose Mexican immigration (legal and illegal) is that the Indian part of the Mexican makeup, has a permanent victim mindset. That loser mindset leads them to vote in mass for one party over and over. Poor Mexicans voted for one party for 75 years straight. That party was run by elite white Euros.

    Golly gee’ – the very same thing has happened in California. The Mexican voters have tipped California into a permanent one party state.

    All it will take is 10,000 more Mexicans in Florida, Texas, Nevada, and Arizona, to turn America into a one party country.

    Crime – no crime – how will that be good for anyone?

    Think Peace — Art

  207. mr meener says:
    @Rurik

    if they weren’t brought here as slave there would be the same amount here maybe more due to the “ineffective” immigration reform act

  208. @jilles dykstra

    Wishful thinking, my conclusion from several visits to the USA, books, articles, internet discussions.

    Every nation has its myths, parts of which are based in truth, and parts of which are “wishful thinking”. Martin Luther King did not dismiss America’s, but preferred to have his own people included in them.

    What are the Dutch myths? They used to be about a seafaring, colonizing people expert at trade, and very good with a paintbrush or a kiln. What are they now? “We can assimilate anybody, unlike those stupid Americans”?

  209. @Ron Unz

    “we would obviously want to exclude illegal nannies arrested for illegal nannying and non-resident Mexicans caught smuggling drugs at the border”

    According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons:

    https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

    at least 14.4% of Federal prison inmates as of last month were citizens of Latin American countries, with Mexican citizens representing 12.1% of inmates. The BOP also reports that 6.5% of inmates are locked up for immigration offenses. Let’s say that all immigration offenses are committed by Mexicans. Mexican citizens would then be 5.6% of all Federal inmates locked up for non-immigration related crimes.

    Pew says that as of 2016 there are 12 million Mexican immigrants in the United States, legally or otherwise. So 3.7% of the US population. Why does 3.7% of the population produce (at least) 5.6% of Federal inmates (not counting immigration offenses)? Are they all being caught smuggling drugs across the border? Doesn’t seem likely to me. Why dismiss Federal data so readily?

    I’ve spent a lot of time in Latin America, in various places, and people everywhere fear crime much more that the average American.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  210. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    You haven’t answered my question; what makes you think she acts like a slut? Exactly what does she do? And what makes you think your opinions about her are valid or worth anything?

    Another pervy old wanker.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  211. @Jeff Stryker

    Why do so few Western European legal immigrants to the US commit crimes?

    I was going to mention George Soros, but he’d be from Central or Eastern Europe, wouldn’t he? But there is Rupert Murdoch. (Is Scotland “Western Europe”?)

    The crime rate among immigrants from Western Europe to the US is zero.

    I kind of doubt it’s “zero”. But the fact that it’s low may be simply because they face a more selective process. Non-European immigrants before 1965 were also a lot less trouble. They were fewer and better.

    Why are Western European immigrants able to learn English?

    Because they’ve been studying it in their schools since about second grade.

    Why don’t Western European immigrants have gangs?

    There’s enough to steal back home. Why come here and compete with Nigerians and Salvadorans for ghetto crumbs?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  212. The very low Hispanic imprisonment rate in Florida may reflect the considerable economic and social success of the Cuban community centered there.

    Having worked in prisons in Florida, my observation is that Hispanic inmates are extremely numerous, especially in the 18-24 age group, and that these inmates are legal immigrants or young men who were born in the US. Haitians also seem to be overrepresented.

    A lot of it seems to me to be related to the fact that young immigrant men have a hard time adjusting to the US life style and end up in various kinds of gang activity. This is also noticeable in Dominicans in the US, who seem to regularly get deported by the boatload after serving prison time in the US. The crimes that get them into prison often seem to be related to trying to get rich quick by distributing and selling drugs. Of course trying to get rich through business activities is as American as high-fructose corn syrup-laced apple pie saurated in high-fructose corn syrup.

    Many years ago I noticed in Florida that Jamaican families who moved around between Jamaica, the UK, Canada, and the US in the decades after World War II seemed to be leaving their more successful offspring with established professional careers in the UK and Canada, but the younger siblings who ended up in the US education system did not flourish and few graduated from college.

    The core of opposition to The Wall is that it won’t do what it is advertised to do. There may well be some areas of the border where fencing needs to be improved, but a wall/fence/barrier is only one part of a comprehensive plan to prevent illegal border crossings, smuggling, importation of drugs, and criminal activity, and a wall is no good if there is not a network of watchtowers and boots on the ground to arrest arrivals who catapult themselves over the border with hang gliders, dig tunnels, blow holes in the wall, row across the Rio Grande, fire transnational drug packages with crossbows, and so on.

    We are hearing a lot about the Fence and the Wall from Texas and California, but what is the need in New Mexico and Arizona?

    Trump needs to cool down and get the rest of government on the move, while debate on border security continues as long as is necessary. Border security is not an emergency. The State Department is not issuing travel advisories for the southern border states on the grounds that they are not under full US control.

    We also need a fix for this flaw in the Constitution that gives the President the right to veto at whim what Congress has approved. No other major country seems to have periodic shutdowns like this, and what would have happened had Obama just declared that he would sign nothing unless Congress enacted Medicare-for-all, even if it meant 4 years of no federal government, and then just gone off to play golf?

    • Replies: @Ledford Ledford
  213. According to Wikipedia, Hispanics make up 16.75 percent of America’s population. Jews make up 1.75 percent.

    If you compare this article with Unz’s articles on Jews, I see that Hispanics and whites have similar crime rates, while the Jews have flaws, such as worming their way into Harvard at the expense of Chinese students, or including a few members of the Tribe who supported or financed phases of the Russian Revolution.

    No doubt Unz’s statistics on Hispanic crime rates in this article and Hispanic IQ in previous articles hold true, as well as his statistics on Harvard acceptances in his Jewish series.

    But stepping back to look at the immigration issue for a larger perspective, I’m curious how Unz can find more problems caused by 1.75 percent of our population than caused by 16.75 percent.

    As for immigration, I see it as a tool that can be useful to a society that knows what it wants to be economically, culturally, spiritually, technically, and geographically.

    Robert Putnam’s study on social capital shows that American’s trust in their fellow citizens has nosedived since the heyday of bowling leagues, high social capital, and shared purposes.

    In my opinion, this polarization probably helps explain California’s tent cities, poop patrols, sanctuary cities, and white flight. Perhaps Unz could dig a little deeper into immigration’s contribution to our fractured society.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  214. @Ron Unz

    ‘…I really tend to doubt that. For example, CA currently seems to have lots of rather impoverished Hispanic areas, both urban and rural, and as far as I can tell, most of them tend to have pretty low crime rates. Things have been that way for many, many years.

    Someone who’s apparently pretty familiar with El Salvador said upthread that it also used to have pretty low rates of “street crime.”…’

    Well, less than today. But yeah. However, that isn’t the same to say that it provides a desirable template. Do we actually want to become like El Salvador or Mexico — even at their best?

    Every ethnic group that comes here changes the flavor a bit. The Irish have done a lot for — or to — big city politics. Jews have certainly altered the intellectual complexion of America. Up to a point, Hispanics will be assimilated. The greater their numbers, though, the more they will import their norms and expectations to our culture.

    There isn’t — and never was — a fixed, unchanging America. It’s always been a work in progress, from Andrew Jackson’s election on, influenced by each successive wave of immigrants and each successive change in technology and the economy.

    We can’t go back; there’s no fixed point to go back to. The real question is what direction do we want to go in? Towards Mexico, or elsewhere? Do we really want an idle rich that simply relies on exploitation of the poor to live a life of ease and dissipation? Don’t we actually want to keep that furiously striving, inventive, competitive attitude that has been a hallmark of America for about two hundred years? The one where your rich are Teddy Roosevelts or even Donald Trumps — or for that matter, you –rather than some haciendado concentrating on deflowering the daughters of his peons?

    If we do, then perhaps we’d best say we’ve got about enough Hispanics. I’d actually rather not have to go over to ‘race war 2020.’ Let’s quit before it gets any worse. Deport the illegals, stop all further legal immigration, make it a criminal offense to employ people who haven’t presented proof of a right to work, and settle down to letting those alredy here legally formulate yet another new America.

  215. nickels says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The cultural marxist takeover of America is NOT its culture.
    There is a thin facade of a culture that the media and the citified elites push, but that is not the reservoir of the American ethos, which, instead, lives in its rural people.

    This is a common misunderstanding, to identify the intelligentsia, the media, the bourgeois, even the political class with the people’s culture. These are ever at odds.

    To deny American culture is simply to acknowledge the extent to which one has been brainwashed.

    Of course, a foreign visitor would be hard pressed to understand our culture, or, for that matter, any nations culture.

    American roots are very deep, very European, very English (unfortunately), very rural and agrarian.

    • Agree: densa
  216. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @BlackFlag

    You want more White babies? Have some. Have 5 or 6 support care and raise them. Be sure to find a career for them that a White man can still pursue without the affirmative action gestapo bannin him.

  217. Art says:

    Hmm — how do these benign US crime statistics square with the actual cruel murderous Mexican gang reality in Mexico? Brutal murder, kidnaping, and government corruption are the way of life in Mexico.

    Is there an explanation?

  218. BlackFlag says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I’m from Latinoamerica. Same trend in over country. Most say it’s due to a change in cluture (eg. lack of tradition, lack of respect for religion, elders illegitimates). I think it’s similar to what has happened to American Blacks since the 1960s. What’s the root? I don’t know, maybe liberalism, prosperity, cultural propaganda.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  219. What would be a good total, annual number of immigrants into the United States at this time?

    John Derbyshire has expressed a desire for a complete moratorium, and I tend to agree with him. I think at least a severe reduction of some kind would be a good idea until our economy catches up.

    Ron’s analysis is excellent, but the question of total number, legal or not, Latino or not, remains. If our people and our representatives in government would ever debate about a total number, what would be a good number annually?

  220. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anastasia

    In the United States of America anyone with a Spanish surname is Hispanic. That’s the law and confirmed by 49 years of judicial decisions and administrative regulations.

    Reality doesn’t matter. That’s the law here in the USA and by law every person in the world with a Spanish surname is entitled to a plethora of affirmative action jobs set asides contracts and benefits denied by law to Whites.

  221. Ron, the problem with Hispanics is their social parasitism (Ocasio-Cortez is 1 eg): 1. high welfare usage 2. the expense associated with their refusal to learn English 3. low educational attainment, etc. They are a nuisance

  222. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Strange that you’re defending European culture. Most of your posts consist of endless hatred and sneering at White American descendants of Europeans and even worse hatred and sneering at every European country south of the French German border and west of the Dutch North Sea beaches.

  223. @Rurik

    …but then there are many variables in the witches’ brew…

    So I don’t put the over-representation of blacks in America’s prisons down to a racist society, but rather that blacks have many obstacles to overcome. Not least of which is an ((orchestrated)) black societal break-down of the family, and traditional cultural and spiritual moral foundations that lead to success and happiness.

    Yes, of course, and well stated, but don’t tell that to the “dem blaks” crowd! Gotta keep it real simple and emotionally appealing. 😉

  224. @CharlesD

    ‘…Our ethos is one of supremacy over those of a darker hue…’

    Ahem. That reverses things. If that’s anyone’s ethos, it would be that of the conquistadors and the current rulers of Latin America.

    They’re the ones who want peons. We just want the Indians gone. Moreover, as a rule, many of us didn’t (and don’t) want the blacks either; many free states not merely barred slavery, but barred any blacks at all, whatever their condition. Both Lee and Lincoln, among others, heartily supported sending the blacks back to Africa.

    So whatever else you might say against us, claiming we want supremacy misunderstands matters. We don’t want supremacy; we want sole possession. It’s others who seek supremacy.

  225. Torode says:
    @Ron Unz

    “They probably “believe” in the horrors of Mexican rapists and killers”

    Footage of Mexican cartel torture stands as among the worst things I’ve seen in my entire life. The things I’ve heard, read, and seen of Mexican cartels- and cartels and gangs in many other latin american countries bespeak of violence and depravity that’s easily on par with ISIS. And we all know latin america has one of the highest homicide rates on the planet. And that’s just recorded homicide rates. The homicide rate- and crime rate in Mexico in general- is thought to be tremendously underreported. And it’s still far above the US.

    Mexican, El Salvadoran, Honduran etc. rapists and killers are very real. Do you just not believe they really exist in the US? Why is that? Do we just get all the good ones or is there some process that causes their crime rates to plummet as soon as they cross a poorly secured border with one of the most dysfunctional and violent places on Earth outside of Africa and the Middle East? I’ve never seen this really explained on the part of liberals who mindlessly repeat the “ILLEGALS ARE MORE LAW-ABIDING!!!” line or you.

    • Replies: @Torode
  226. @Buzz Baldrin

    ‘…But stepping back to look at the immigration issue for a larger perspective, I’m curious how Unz can find more problems caused by 1.75 percent of our population than caused by 16.75 percent…’

    Your answer may be right there in the numbers. It’s like the old saw that if you owe the bank $100,000.00, you’ve got a problem, but if you owe the bank $100,000,000, the bank has a problem.

    1.75% of a population may be a problem; but 16.75% are an influence.

    It seems somehow reasonable to resent the effect 1.75% of the population can have on the rest of us. However, it’s just silly to resent the impact of a group making up a sixth of the population; they can no more avoid having an effect than a cow hanging out in your living room would noticeably alter the atmosphere.

    Perhaps we shouldn’t have let them in; but they’re here now. Let us, however, go and sin no more.

  227. @Colin Wright

    The awful truth is that only blacks are inherently criminal.

    Thanks for proving the awful truth that any attempt to reason is futile.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  228. @Rurik

    Social justice is developing before our very eyes, being aided in its development by the likes of Jeb Bush, Kevin McCarthy, Mitt Romney, Ted Cruz, Chuck “the cuck” Grassley, Joni Ernst, National Review, and all of the other civic nationalist GOP and conservative types.

    No doubt you observed how the above rogue’s gallery responded to Congressman King’s NYT interview. Their reactions were predictably craven. King, himself, deserves to be rebuked for trying to partially walk back his comments.

    When will we find a white man or woman of prominence who will unabashedly, cogently, mellifluously, and zealously make the case for white separatism?

  229. To get back to El Salvador, and the tale of its decay, this story may help to illuminate matters. When I visited there in 1987, we stayed in the row of sheds my wife’s grandmother owned. She lived in one and rented the others out. They were indeed living quarters, but ‘houses’ would be a misleading expression. They were sheds, with an outhouse in the yard. In short, my wife’s grandmother was poor, but lived off of those still poorer than herself. Welcome to the Third World.

    So anyway, one of her tenants consisted of a family headed by a man who made a living selling plastic buckets door to door. Every evening, I would see him, smoking the one cigarette of the day he presumably could afford to allow himself, and staring off into the distance.

    A few years later, I heard that he had run off to America, leaving behind his wife and their several children. Hard to blame him, but there you have at least part of the story of El Salvador’s social collapse.

    It wasn’t just the war.

  230. Torode says:
    @Torode

    And to clarify- I don’t dispute that the crime rates of US hispanic (legal ones, atleast) groups, generally, are well below that of latin american countries, and blacks. But I’m very skeptical towards the idea they aren’t significantly above whites, or even below, and that this is all just a function of things like age.

    Puerto Rico also has a homicide rate well above the US average. The Mexican states bordering the US also have the highest recorded homicide rates and are altogether some of the most dysfunctional and poorly governed parts of Mexico.

  231. @Ron Unz

    Crime is worsening over most of Latin America. Recent immigrants from there to the USA may be more crime-prone than earlier arrivals. It’s reasonable to worry that trends among Hispanics elsewhere will echo in the States.

  232. @mr meener

    It would not negate the fact that your peeps didn’t do what they were supposed to to combat the new comers from taking over the fleebags… only to turn into Krishna hotel/motel on Hwy 66!

  233. @BlackFlag

    Which country? What socio-economic status?

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  234. @Jonathan Mason

    Having worked in prisons in Florida, my observation is that Hispanic inmates are extremely numerous, especially in the 18-24 age group, and that these inmates are legal immigrants or young men who were born in the US. Haitians also seem to be overrepresented.

    So your observations don’t jibe with what the State of Florida reports. How many prisoners across the United States listed as non-Hispanic white would be more accurately described as Hispanic?

    I think Hispanic crime is worse than what Mr. Unz’s study concludes. It’s not so bad as to be unbearable, just another sign of civilizational decay. Maybe President Kamala Harris will turn things around.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  235. Liza says:
    @Poco

    I hate idiots like you. The white population has stopped it’s demographic growth.

    @Poco. I see your point. Perhaps if our population was back to only a few million – with no other races in the country – we might be prone to a higher quality of life. I got the following info from wikipedia:

    Non-Hispanic whites totaled about 197,285,202 or 61% of the U.S. population.

    But 197 million is too much of anyone. Overcrowding causes every social, economic and environmental disaster imaginable. Pathological levels of materialism and consumerism go hand in hand with heavy population numbers.

    Nature will eventually take care of all people who think that “more stuff” is what life is largely about, irrespective of race.

    By the way, if you hate idiots like me, is there some other particular type of idiot that you would prefer?

  236. mr meener says:

    if 30 million whites had tried to cross the southern border they would have been machine gunned and strafed by A10 warthogs with both parties endorsing it . then B-52 bombers would carpet bomb 30 miles inland from the border

  237. @Wally

    Sh-thole countries are such because of their inhabitants behavior…

    Well don’t look now, but you’re probably not living in Paradise and partly for the reason you stated. In fact, the country of Uncle Sucker is, in many ways, your proverbial sh-hole, and it’s due largely to your wunnerful politicians and the lazy, ignorant fools who support the scum, but if it comforts you to point fingers, by all means pleasure yourself.

    As for yakking about IQ, don’t even go there, if ya know what I mean.

    • Replies: @Wally
  238. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    If by “Zionists” you mean Jews you would be completely wrong in my experience. Indeed, ever since Hitler Jews have been in the lead in denying race altogether.

    Gee Wiz – its unbelievable how you can lie like this.

    The Jews are at the forefront of race politics in America. Divide and conquer is their path to power.

    You are clearly pathological.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  239. BlackFlag says:
    @Liberty Mike

    I don’t understand why people are using the ugly words secession and separatism. They’re sound slimy, non-inspiring, and hark to the Civil War.

    The correct term is Independence. Inspiring, has won, very American.

    Is Jared Taylor advocating for Independence yet?

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  240. @mr meener

    ‘hey when one messican sprains his ankle go get another one so you as a fat bas tard can sit in a bar while others do your work. you should be jailed more then a week’

    You seem to be mistaking your audience. I did once have an employee break his wrist once — but he was white, and anyway, it wasn’t at work. Speaking for myself, I’ve worked while having pneumonia with pleurisy, after having punched a hole in my knee, and in general, under just about all possible conditions. My all-time daily record was twenty two hours straight, and my weekly record would have been over a hundred hours. As to what I was doing, I was known as ‘the mover who runs up stairs.’. I’ve driven 900 miles in a day — in a truck with a maximum speed of 65 mph. I’ve carried a spinnet piano up a spiral staircase with eighty eight steps. I’ve worked when it’s been snowing, when it’s been raining, and when it’s been 105 degrees.

    So would you like to know what you can do?

    • Replies: @mr meener
  241. BlackFlag says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Argentina but I have extensive experience in several Latin American countries. Everyone knows crime is much worse than it was in the 70s and 80s.
    Could also be drug use, dysgenics, Mestization. I think it’s global. Hear similar things about Southeast Asia, American Blacks, and Russia?

  242. @Reg Cæsar

    But there is Rupert Murdoch. (Is Scotland “Western Europe”?)

    Rupert Murdoch is from Australia.

    Perhaps you are thinking of Donald Trump, whose mother is from the Outer Hebrides islands of Scotland and who came to the US as a economic migrant and worked as a servant, who in a classic rags-to-riches story, met a young man at a dance, and married him.

    That was when America was America.

    Scotland is part of the Celtic fringe of Western Europe.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  243. Rags says:
    @onebornfree

    Anarchy is pretty —cked up too.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  244. wayfarer says:

    Most Wanted Criminals
    Los Angeles Police Department
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Dalai Lama: Far Right Nationalist and Tibetan Supremacist

    • Replies: @Anon
  245. A half-century ago, Los Angeles was over 70% white and only 10% Hispanic, and today it’s 50% Hispanic and perhaps 25% white. Yet the crime and homicide rates are roughly similar. How is this possible in your mind?

    My 91405 district is roughly 75% Latinx. Just yesterday two police helicopters and innumerable patrol cars spent the afternoon down the block on some escapade that was never reported on the news. Two dead bodies, one a confirmed drive-by, on my block in the past six years went similarly unreported. Does anybody believe government statistics aren’t massaged to serve The Narrative? Crime rates are similar because California Democrats need them to be.

    Since I moved to L.A. in 1983 I’ve been burglarized seven times at four different locations, all in the SF Valley with its mostly Mexican population. For eight years I resided in or near Thousand Oaks, essentially all-white, and never had an incident. My 91405 next door neighbor has a rooster and 8 or 9 chickens. Every holiday we may count on fireworks until 2 a.m. Every wall enjoys graffiti. Every freeway suffers gridlock, and don’t even think about using the subway or buses. Trash litters our community on every commercial sidestreet.

    Bilingual used to be necessity; now it’s simpler, speak Spanish or remain unemployed. Estimates are 3 million illegals voted in California’s last election. Mexican per capita welfare is through the roof, all while California’s broker than a Ming vase in a cattle stampede.

    Peruse anything by VDH to get the real 411 on Hispanic crime in California. I’d mortgage my home to see a PPV between him or Coulter and Unz on this topic.

    I love Ron to death on his vast investigations into Jewish shenanigans, but his genetic inclination to undermine America’s white Christian heritage is becoming tiresome. Ron has walls of statistics; I have my own eyes, in my own life on a daily basis.

  246. @jacques sheete

    Having a great deal of respect for you and not being cognizant of Colin’s commenting history, let me add the following:

    Most of us, presumably including Colin, have been bombarded by a blizzard of racist agitprop such that every ebony has been brutalized, infantilized, marginalized, stigmatized, and victimized by whitey and that all of the negro’s shortcomings can be attributed to the Great White Father and his myrmidons.

    The coon has been canonized by Caesar’s ((( scribes ))) and ((( Pharisees ))). One who fails to genuflect to that canon does so at his own peril. He will face ex-communication from civil society, along with other sanctions, be they civil and / or criminal.

    It may be all well and good to ridicule the ratiocinative powers of those who simply proclaim that “you can take the nigger out of Harlem, but you can’t take the Harlem out of the nigger,” but, they do have praxeology on their side and it is powerful.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  247. @Ledford Ledford

    So your observations don’t jibe with what the State of Florida reports. How many prisoners across the United States listed as non-Hispanic white would be more accurately described as Hispanic?

    I think it goes largely by last names.

    For example, this search for current Florida inmates named Gonzalez brings up over 500 results who have the name Gonzalez or are known to have used it as an alias.

    http://www.dc.state.fl.us/OffenderSearch/list.aspx?Page=List&TypeSearch=AI&DataAction=Filter&dcnumber=&LastName=Gonzalez&FirstName=&SearchAliases=1&OffenseCategory=&photosonly=0&nophotos=1&matches=20

    A search of any common Spanish surname, such as Garcia, Martinez, or Perez will bring up several hundred hits. Typical offenses range from drug smuggling and car-jacking to failure to abide by court custody orders (kidnapping), or sex offenses, to DUI manslaughter and fleeing LEO.

    Statistics of this kind often tend to be out of date, so I would be wary of what you read in media reports without carefully checking the source.

  248. @BlackFlag

    You’re always going to hear stuff about Blacks– anytime in history, anywhere you go.

    So how are things with your Bolivian and Peruvian diasporas at the moment?

  249. Dman says:

    Mr. Unz’s article is pretty good as always and makes one think. However, maybe the closeness of the white/Hispanic crime rates in the west is because places like California are hiding Hispanic crimes as white crimes. This would fit with their socialist corrupt state government and their hatred of Whites.

    I also get the feeling that Mr. Unz is a socialist himself, in which case one pounders, what is his true aim of what he is writing and to whom does it benefit. Still I have total respect for what he puts out, and he’s willing to fight for what he believes in, and not back down. Those are qualities lacking in many writers these days.

  250. Black crime rate is around four times that of Hispanic. This is why I live in southern California instead of the South. James Watson is right. “Black IQ – Nigeria: Black Man Agrees With Dr. Watson
    “I Agree With Dr Watson” The Daily Trust (Abuja)OPINIONBy Idang Alibi10-30-7 ” https://rense.com/general78/blk.htm

  251. @BlackFlag

    Many years ago, I was acquainted with a member of the Million Dollar Roundtable.

    He prided himself on being a life insurance salesman and regarded himself as such, notwithstanding the fact that he owned an agency with about a dozen agents, support staff, and had numerous insurance designations and licenses, had an MBA, and employed an estate planning attorney on his staff.

    He chafed at the notion of either calling himself, or being referred to, as an estate planner. He sold life insurance. Sure, he knew more about life insurance accounting, legal, and tax matters than almost all lawyers and accountants. Nevertheless, he was authentic.

    There is nothing icky or negative about the words secession and separatism. They are not ugly words whatsoever. In fact, they are beautiful.

    In 1776, the colonies SECEDED from the British Empire. In the state ratifying conventions, the proponents of the constitution were not arguing for its passage by touting secession would be forbidden.

    Separatism is beautiful because, inter alia, it is a manifestation of freedom of association.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @BlackFlag
  252. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    How about joe calling the union hall and getting a journeyman or 2nd year apprentice roofer and getting the job done in half the time it would take if he hired a doofus at Home Depot who doesn’t understand enough English to be instructed and falls off the roof breaks his back which causes Joe’s WCOM insurance company to raise his rates to a level he can’t afford?

    And what happens when the property owner sues joe when the first rain comes because the Mexican has no idea how do get the flashing right?

    Contractors, especially small contractors don’t spend their day at just one job. They go from job to job plus trips to building supply stores, meeting with and selling to new clients seeing the accountant etc.

    That’s why they need workers who know what they are doing legal illegal certified non certified whatever.

  253. The thesis is hardly air tight. Most Hispanic nations are on par with black cities in terms of violence. Mexico matches Chicago. Baltimore, with its 60+ per 100k murder rate, falls in line with El Salvador.

    Unz fails to take into consideration that Mestizos and Indians are something like cholesterol. You start having heart troubles when they’ve seized control of government and institute their typical corruption. Once in power the killing takes off, whereas before they focused on petty crime and fraud.

    The other problem is that they are genuinely stupid, lazy and parasitic. They’re on par with the blacks on welfare, food stamps, etc. And also turn their cities into ghettos.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  254. wayfarer says:

    Breaking News: “Illegal immigrant caravan arrives at Nancy Pelosi’s vineyard estate for sanctuary.”

    source: https://www.infowars.com/watch-live-illegal-immigrants-build-tent-city-in-nancy-pelosis-lawn/

    • Replies: @Anon
  255. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @wayfarer

    Thank you wayfarer. One was from the Avenues gang that’s been terrorizing the Avenues neighborhood since the 1950s. There was a big factory bakery in the neighborhood WW2 came along, all the American men were drafted. So Mexicans were brought up. Their cute little boys grew up and it’s been a mafia hell hole ever since. The locals have to pay extortion fees to the Avenues gang among other things.

    1940 the workers at the bakery were working class Whites in humdrum jobs living in the neighborhood and it was very low crime, good schools and a nice green forested place to live.

    1950 it was turning 1960 a ghetto

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  256. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    When will we find a white man or woman of prominence who will unabashedly, cogently, mellifluously, and zealously make the case for white separatism?

    Well Mike, I don’t think we need one, just follow your heart and mind and separate yourself and family to a more homogeneous, harmonious land. There still are many around, as of yet, that are pleasant and charming and inviting. Indeed, I suspect that’s how northwestern Europe came to be populated the way it is, because the denizens there, simply kept moving north until they found a land that they could call their own.

    That’s the way it is for us today. If the ZUS is too diverse for your (and my) tastes, then perhaps it’s time to look at distant shores?

    I’ll also add that I suspect that one day I’ll settle down somewhere in South America’s relatively diverse lands, as I don’t mind a certain diversity, so long as it’s not hostile and moving in an alarming direction, as N. America obviously is.

    As long as white folks of European extraction are not being maligned daily, and harassed and marginalized and demonized, I tend to find such places very accommodating.

    It’s just that in the ZUSA, there’s so much ((orchestrated)) over-the-top hostility and rage, that no matter what your ethnicity, unless you’re in some hamlet somewhere off the charts, then it tends to be very tiresome. And even if you’re in a remote area, the tentacles of the ((media)) and fecal government are long and intrusive.

    Plan on getting out, is my advise. Especially if you’re young enough, and can extricate yourself from the Beast. N. America is going to get a lot more diverse, before it ever reverses or fragments. And the process of that reversal/fragmentation, will be ugly and bloody. I want no part of it.

    As you point out, our corrupt leadership are part of the problem, and as long as the shekels flow, those swine will swill with gusto at Sheldon Adelson’$ slop trough, and betray America, Americans, their sacred oaths, and everything else for those perks and crumbs from that fiend’s contemptuous table.

  257. @Art

    Try an elementary literacy course before blundering into such non responsive comments.

    • Replies: @Art
  258. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @wayfarer

    Thanks again wayfarer. By the first of March those illegals will be working for $3.00 an hour in the Pelosi restaurants hotels vineyards and ranches in Napa and Sonoma counties.

  259. Trajan says:

    Cue story from globalist (as revealed in his Jewish-domination denying piece on the Bolsheviks) Israel Shamir announcing Ron Unz as the savior of America.

  260. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    If by “Zionists” you mean Jews you would be completely wrong in my experience. Indeed, ever since Hitler Jews have been in the lead in denying race altogether.

    Does that mean that all races are treated as equals in Israel?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  261. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    I went to a private Catholic high school in West Hills. It was that, or go to the gladiator school alternatively known as Canoga Park HS. Even in the 80’s the LA public schools were a complete and utter disaster. I don’t remember if blacks from south central LA were being bused into that school at the time.

    Had a Mitsubishi pickup truck stolen out of our driveway in 1990. The police found it a few days later stripped in a Mexican “neighborhood,” meaning a few blocks of apartment complexes strung together off of Roscoe Blvd.

    Encino at the time had a small but active group of Armenian gang bangers who were involved in low ball criminal activities; fencing, stolen cars, meth, whatever. They were mostly 1st gen kids of well off Armenian immigrants with nothing better to do I guess, but they were all classified as white. I know this because I was jumped by a group of them in 1994 for the high crime of exiting a pool hall.

    A neighbor of ours (town 45 minutes from Chicago) is an obese Mexican broad that goes to the local food pantry to acquire free food. She then cooks it and sells it to whomever is willing to buy it. She and her disability defrauding husband (who is well enough to turn wrenches on the revolving assortment of 80’s era beaters he accumulates) are on welfare and section 8. Neither have worked in the 10 years they have lived here. They have 5 boys who are turning into fine young negro worshiping teenagers with poor attitudes.

    Hey Ron, in my best Obi Wan Kenobi voice – THESE AREN’T THE MESTIZOS YOU’RE LOOKING FOR. But I’ll gladly trade you for a couple of tight assed WASPS you have hunkered down in your gated community.

    What % of so called Hispanics are misclassified as white upon arrest or incarceration? Ron Unz nor anyone else seems to be able offer a realistic guess. 10%? 20%?

    How much intra-racial crime is committed by Hispanics that goes unreported, because of fear of deportation? Anyone? Bueller?

    The point is racial classifications are extremely unreliable in regards to this topic

    But regardless of the data, crime statistics are ultimately besides the ultimate point. The United States is not for Mestizos. Partial descendants of Aztecs and Mayans have no historical claim to any land north of the Big River (those arguments are absurd anyway and should be engaged with nothing but contempt and mockery.)

    Mexican culture is fine… in Mexico.

  262. Wally says:
    @jacques sheete

    Understood, and I pretty much agree … pretty much.

    There are influences and coercive forces at work which make it difficult for the pols to reflect the will of the people. An excuse, I realize, but a factor nonetheless.

    But all of that is why we have Trump in office. He’s a flawed transitional President, but much better than the alternative.

    As much as people go on & on about Trump, it’s who & what that follows him which is where the real action will be.

    Regards.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  263. As the comments to this article show, control of illegal immigration is simply what a certain faction of the right is able to sell to the general public. Their real concern is demographic change. To these people I have a bad and a good news.

    The bad news is that your cause is lost. I hate the American habit of ignoring the actual biological race of Hispanics. And this habit together with the high Hispanic out-group marriage rates (40%; “they don’t assimilate” they say) and the fact that people that are only of 25% Hispanic descent still tend to classify themselfes as Hispanic, lead to an exagerate decrease in the official white population count. But even so, your cause is lost. Every new generation in the USA is less white and as long as there is immigration, it will be overwhelmingly non-white. Most European countries have now a level of development that do not lead its citizes to try emigrate, and in the case of the few Eastern European countries which are still poor, they prefer to emigrate to nearby Western European countries. So unless you substantially reduce the overall number of legal immigrants, it is a given that the proportion of the white population will continue to decrease. But you will never get support to reduce the legal migration levels substantially because even a large proportion of Republicans are not into your racial Armageddon panic.

    The good news is that all your apocalyptics predictions are wrong! As the proportion of whites in the country has decrease quickly, so has the crime rate. In almost any metric the United States in 2018 is better than in 1998 or 1978. No, sorry, the United States is not becoming a third world country, sorry to disappoint you. The country does not even seems to be turning more left wing, it has just elected its most right wing president in a very long time. And when whites become a minority, nothing will happen, they will continue to lead their life in the same way and be wealthier than other groups. Whites have been living and thriving as a minority in Latin America and southern Africa for two centuries. You will get used to it, I promess.

  264. Patricus says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    It is truly amazing that countries like Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala have violent crime rates 20 to 40 times that of the US HOWEVER as soon as they cross our borders (illegally)crime rates plummet to Asian and White levels. That is on the order of a divine intervention.

    Do you think someone’s data is tainted?

    • Agree: mr meener
  265. wayfarer says:
    @Anon

    It breaks my heart, what has happened to California.

    I was born and raised in the San Fernando Valley, and went through the Los Angeles Unified School District’s K-12 public school system.

    The state is a total disaster, its primary cities are now nothing more than useless human shit holes.

    Unfortunately, this has become my negative point-of-view.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  266. @Rurik

    I make claim to very little knowledge of Israel but note that the Israelis probably don’t like talking about race any more than your average liberal Jew in NYC or Australia. After all, what is one to make of a Jewish people including converts of any race as well as the 50 per cent Indo-European Ashkenazi, Falashas fro Ethiopia, Mizrahi etc etc.? I noticed recently the Times of Jerusalem referring to “The Tribe” in a straightforward way and it is a reminder of Einstein referring to Jews as “my tribe”. Back to your question… I daresay that the typical Israeli attitude is that all Israeli Jews are prima facie part of their tribe and that Palestinians are not.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  267. mr meener says:
    @Colin Wright

    I carried 200 lbs up Mt Everest towing a sled behind me without stopping. Once work 456 hours straight without eating or sleeping with a sledge hammer breaking thru a mountain making a tunnel. you are a sick human being and proved it

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  268. mr meener says:
    @Ron Unz

    they moved their shithole country to Cali. don’t you see that Ron? and there will be no end to it until the whole US is a shithole

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  269. mr meener says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    if you ever watched the old werewolf movies with Lon Chaney you would see him trying to fight off the power of the wolf but could not. That is Ron trying to fight against his jewish DNA to destroy whites. your post is 100% real world and your are totally right that the crime stats are fixed so the whites do not get alarmed. think of the frog in a pot with the heat slowly turned up and think of the polls supporting Haggary before the election

    • Replies: @David Baker
  270. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    but note that the Israelis probably don’t like talking about race any more than your average liberal Jew in NYC

    holy cow wiz, I think we agree on something!

  271. mr meener says:
    @Gustavo CL

    yea the whites is south afreaka are getting used to being dead

  272. Lot says:

    In New York City, there are 50% more whites tham hispanics, but there are 226% more Hispanic arrests than white arrests.

    There were 35 hispanic juveniles arrested for serious crimes like rape and murder, versus 2 whites.

    https://www.nycja.org/library.php

    • Replies: @bucky
    , @Reuben Kaspate
  273. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I estimated that CA Hispanics had a rate of criminality roughly 9%-27% higher than CA whites of the same age.”

    Did you correct for the fact that whites live in better policed areas, so white perps are more likely to be caught, and that hispanic crime victims and witnesses are often afraid to report because of fear of deportation?

    Did you correct for the fact that Mexican criminals are often deported rather than jailed locally?

    Did you ever estimate the crime rate of US born hispanics v US born whites?

  274. @mr meener

    I see, anecdotes. What are the statistics on mortality? Also happens to be one of the wealthiest if not the wealthiest group of whites in the whole planet.

  275. @Liberty Mike

    It may be all well and good to ridicule the ratiocinative powers of those who simply proclaim that “you can take the nigger out of Harlem, but you can’t take the Harlem out of the nigger,” but, they do have praxeology on their side and it is powerful.

    Praxeology? Are you kidding? Most of them have never studied anything but the boob tube and I’m being generous.

    I know because I have practical human ethology on my side, and it’s powerful too.

    All that aside, thank you for your input; I do hear what you’re saying and agree with the thrust of it. However, I see no excuse for the boorish view that he stated. Whether he, or anyone else realizes or not, it, at a minimum, reflects extremely poorly on us white kids. And my intention is not ridicule for it’s own sake, but for all the good it does, I may as well have that motive.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  276. @mr meener

    A good percentage of crimes are not reported. The reason being police are basically useless unless a murder takes place, or a gun is produced, either during a robbery or gang killing. Statistics can only be based upon reported crimes, so you can tack on a hefty percentage to the statistics depicted on the graphs supplied by Mr. Unz. Police in our town have a high threshold of penal code criteria before they’ll actually investigate. Otherwise, if you report a crime, they just add it to the rate data, which justifies more police or higher salaries.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  277. nsa says:

    Arguing over goofy crime stats is just running cover for the Reconquista. Fact: James K. Polk stole half of Mexico fair and square about 175 years ago, and now the Mexicans are taking it back. The Mexicans at first declined to engage in an obviously losing war, but Zack Taylor running around the Mexican countryside burning towns down became hard to ignore. 98% of all Mexicans are aware of this history while 98% of Americans know next to nothing about it….and probably 90% of Americans couldn’t find Mexico on a globe ……..and maybe only 50% could locate the United States. Drive around SoCal some time to see what the future USA (United States of Aztlan) will look like in the not so distant future.

  278. @Anon

    My views of Ann Coulter may not be valid or worth anything to anyone save me but she does dress like a two bit harlot with cleavage almost popping out and that constant flicking of hair… shall I go on, Mr. Prude?

    • Replies: @Anon
  279. @Rurik

    Plan on getting out, is my advise. Especially if you’re young enough, and can extricate yourself from the Beast.

    Good advice, particularly the part about doing it while young. I seriously looked into doing just that when I was in my forties, but for me there were just too many confounding factors at that time, (personal details are irrelevant).

    I was motivated by the realization that the US was, de facto, one of Wallys despicable crap holes, and for many of the reasons you stated, and more.

  280. Biff says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Any job below about 75,000 USD a year makes you a net tax eater.

    As a former employer and a federal payroll payee for decades I would have to say that the above quote is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on the internet too date, but considering the source, not surprising. Not to mention the plethora of other taxes attached to my utility bills, property tax, inheritance tax, FICA, and the ever so lovely sin tax on my beer.

    A Quote from the big leathery bag of wind Hillary Clinton giving a speech in Pakistan about how to grow a police state: “We tax everything that moves, and everything that doesn’t.”

    Tax eater my aching ass!

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  281. @Liberty Mike

    When will we find a white man or woman of prominence who will unabashedly, cogently, mellifluously, and zealously make the case for white separatism?

    Douglas Reed, after travelling extensively in South Africa, observed that both blacks and whites were happy with separatism and were doing quite well until the Brits came along and upset the apple cart, if I remember correctly. He made a great case for it in either “Somewhere South of Suez,” or “Far and Wide,” both of which are worth reading for the insights he provides.

  282. Ron Unz says:
    @David Baker

    A good percentage of crimes are not reported. The reason being police are basically useless unless a murder takes place, or a gun is produced, either during a robbery or gang killing. Statistics can only be based upon reported crimes, so you can tack on a hefty percentage to the statistics depicted on the graphs supplied by Mr. Unz.

    Look, I really hate to just keep repeating myself, but I suppose I must…

    If you examine both my current article and my two major race/crime articles from 2010 and 2013, you’ll notice I frequently link homicide and violent crime together. That’s because the reporting rate on homicide is close to 100% and it can be used as a validity-check against reporting issues with other types of serious crime.

    If you read my articles, you’ll notice that the weighted urban cross correlations for homicide follow a very, very similar pattern as they do for other types of violent crime. The one except is rape, which is an extreme outlier, confirming our intuitive suspicions that rape-reporting rates across different cities may be extremely variable and therefore cannot be trusted as accurate.

    Furthermore, the ethnic side of my cross-correlations are based on urban Census data, so there’s no issue of Hispanics offenders being reported as “white” by the police.

    Basically, 80% Hispanic cities have fairly low rates of homicide and other violent crime. What’s your explanation?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @David Baker
  283. @BlackFlag

    Could also be drug use, dysgenics, Mestization.

    Or activities of the CIA…

    Even a cursory appreciation of the history of American military and political intervention south of the border, such as how the Panama Canal Zone was acquired, may offer some clues as to why there’s as much societal dysfunction as there is.

  284. Yes, most Mexicans are here to make some money and support their families, so they are not into crime, they are into hard work. No wonder a lot of landscape workers, construction workers, and farm workers are Mexicans. Pretty much all the guys who did our landscaping, removed our old trees, changed our roof, and replaced our gutters were Mexicans. Usually the guy who speaks English is the leader, while the rest communicate exclusively in Spanish. Company owners are usually white locals.

    However, illegals foster their specific forms of crime: they create market for fake social security cards (who would possibly want these otherwise), fake driver’s licenses (a small fraction is sold to white citizens who lost theirs to drunk driving and similar things), and other forms of fake IDs. There are millions of illegals (even though their numbers likely did not increase much in recent years), so this market is quite large and feeds a lot of criminals.

    However, the wall is typical BS, as it won’t solve any problems. As long as the employers are not severely punished for employing illegals, they will get work, so they will come and stay here. Greedy employers will save on salaries, social security, etc. But neither Reps nor Dems are going to do the right thing: start fining employers for tens of thousands for every illegal they hire. Both are too beholden to the employer class: that’s where their campaign donations come from.

    • Agree: BlackFlag
  285. @Jonathan Mason

    Rupert Murdoch is from Australia.

    On the surface:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murdoch_family

    My employer was bought by Macquarie Bank. That robustest of Scottish stereotypes seems to thrive after generations in the Antipodes.

  286. Ron Unz says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Any job below about 75,000 USD a year makes you a net tax eater.

    Actually, didn’t Romney say something like that at a private fund-raiser? And after somebody put the recording on the Internet, didn’t it sink his campaign like a stone?

    Meanwhile, weren’t most of Trump’s voters—the “Deplorables”—in that under $75K pay bracket? I have a feeling if he’d ever been caught saying anything like that, people would currently be debating whether Hillary had a shot at once again winning all 50 states in her reelection bid…

  287. curri says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Is Moldbug missing something here?

    https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/01/how-i-stopped-believing-in-democracy/

    What Europeans call “anti-Americanism” is actually a belief, generally quite sincere, that America is not living up to her own ideals of 1945. “Anti-Americanism” might be better described as “ultra-Americanism,” or perhaps “Georgetownism.” And it certainly has nothing to do with the any pre-1940 negative perceptions of America. There is minimal cultural continuity between Europe before the war and Europe today. All the institutions were purged, all the individuals have finally kicked it. The Dutch who let you smoke weed in their cafes and the Dutch who ruled Indonesia might as well be on different planets. The former are thoroughly ashamed that they are even descended from the latter. And the latter are dead, which is probably a blessing.

    Ergo, Holland is part of the Judeo-American Globohomo. If not, why, for example, is so much hostility directed at Hungary by the political and media class. Also Poland, but to a somewhat lesser extent.

  288. @Ron Unz

    Basically, 80% Hispanic cities have fairly low rates of homicide and other violent crime. What’s your explanation?

    El Paso is one of the safest cities in the US. Juarez, a castanet’s throw across the river, is one of the most dangerous in the world.

    Clearly, Hispanic behavior is quite variable.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  289. @Rags

    Anarchy is pretty —cked up too.

    How do you know? Are you referring to anarchy or Anarchy? Just so you know, the Commies hated Anarchists and you’re probably under the influence of, and parroting, Commie propaganda that’s been well beyond its expiration date for quite a while, not that it was ever fresh.

    See?:

    We believe that the Anarchists are real enemies of Marxism.
    The cornerstone of anarchism is the individual, whose emancipation, according to its tenets, is the principal condition for the emancipation of the masses, the collective body.
    J. V. Stalin
    ANARCHISM or SOCIALISM?
    From J. V. Stalin,Works,
    Foreign Languages Publishing House,
    Moscow, 1954,

    Vol. 1, pp. 297-391.

    Prepared © for the Internet by David J. Romagnolo, [email protected] (May 1997)

    In contrast, there’s stuff like this.:

    “Societies exist under three forms, sufficiently distinguishable: 1) without government, as among our Indians; 2) under governments wherein the will of everyone has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree and in our States in a great one; 3) under governments of force, as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics … It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the first condition is not the best.

    Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 1787

    “I am convinced that those societies (as the Indians) which live without government enjoy in their general mass an infinitely greater degree of happiness than those who live under the European governments. Among the former, public opinion is in the place of law, & restrains morals as powerfully as laws ever did anywhere. Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves & sheep. I do not exaggerate.”

    -Thomas Jefferson, “Notes on the State of Virginia,” Query XI

  290. @Thomm

    Ron is not right. His data analysis is amateurish with tons of noise in the data. All his stuff is based on averages and he doesn’t have specific data in specific areas. No one lives in an average. Furthermore, what does the shooting data have to do with anything especially since it’s not the actual data but a ratio. Does it show where the heaviest crime area is? What if you live on the bad side of town? Your risk is based on specifics not averages or ratios. You live in the wrong place you die.

    Notice some of the other graphs…again weighted averages…..do you live in one? What’s the total number of new crime by Hispanics added to all the other crime? It’s still crime and the more Hispanics you have— you get more total crime. I bet if you graphed the additional crime you could prove something else..try it. Once again I have talked to many in law enforcement and you can’t trust the data. Let me give you an example. They post wanted photos in various newspapers. These people are wanted or don’t show up for court. Most are black, Hispanic, Hispanic black (are they being counted as black or Hispanic) and white. Of course, blacks usually are the most with many Hispanic and probably about 35% white. These people make bail and then never show up for court. The Hispanics usually don’t have real names and have numerous aliases. The police tell me they have fake IDs and pretend they don’t understand English. They never show up for court and are charged with everything from DUI, minor drug offenses, fighting, domestic abuse and so forth.

    They cannot always be tracked down since they use fake names. Only if they get caught again in the area because the police have fingerprints can they be arrested. Do these illegals show up in your graphs?

    I now have MS-13 members in my area. They are coming from the state below me where they have committed numerous murders. The law enforcement system is being overwhelmed. Buy yourself a police scanner (they are expensive; but they program by computer which is easy). You will not believe what is going on in your area. There are not enough personnel for the OD’s, break ins, domestic abuse, attempted suicides, car accidents, drug deals and so forth. I would not want to be cop.

    Ron can live in his Hispanic Fantasy all he wants but for a man with such a high IQ his statistical understanding is limited. If you take his data or other similar type data you can prove what you want. Just play around with averages ratios etc. Check the net; there are entire sections on trickery with this type of data (Read Taleb about Regression Analysis..he’s right on this). Of course, Ron doesn’t discuss the financial damage that these welfare illegals perform on civilization or the costs of medical care etc. He’s obviously well off and that’s fine but most of us live in the real world and not Ron’s Averages.

    • Replies: @George F. Held
  291. wayfarer says:

    Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government, those entrusted with power, have in time and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

    “As California Goes, So Goes the Nation.”

  292. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    I can sympathize with your complaints but I can tell you that I had a fine car trashed and the contents rifled, a pickup truck stripped for parts, a barn looted (including a scrap pile!) and a house and garage emptied of its contents, and numerous other incidences with rental properties and all of the perps were white boys. In fact in none of the cases would it have been likely that there were any blacks for 100 miles, and maybe a handful of Hispanics about 50 miles away, so what does that tell ya?

    And I’m not even mentioning the wholesale theft of the fruits of my labor by the bloody hand of (overwhelmingly white) government on four levels; city, county, state, and federal. They steal from ya coming and going and brazenly up the ante on a regular basis.

    I’ve been all over the world and worked with people of all colors, and never, ever, was the victim of any crime except those I related above. The conclusions are not hard to draw.

  293. Given these undeniable statistics, I would guess that 99% of anti-immigration activists currently believe that the 1965 Immigration Act was responsible for opening our borders and thereby destroying white-majority America.

    Dear Mr. Unz,

    You write as if this understanding of the 1965 Immigration Act is limited to anti-immigrant White nationalists, when in fact this understanding appears to be the consensus, mainstream-view of everyone on both sides of the issue.

    Here’s NPR on the 1965 Immigration Act:

    Fifty years after its passage, it is clear the law definitively altered the complexion of the U.S. population. [emphasis mine](https://www.npr.org/2015/10/03/445339838/the-unintended-consequences-of-the-1965-immigration-act ]

    And here’s Wikipedia on the 1965 Immigration Act:

    The 1965 Act marked a change from past U.S. policy which had discriminated against non-northern Europeans. In removing racial and national barriers the Act would significantly alter the demographic mix in the U.S. [emphasis mine]

    In other words, your interpretation of the 1924 Immigration Act versus the 1965 Immigration Act appears to constitute some rather extreme revisionist history, and your blasting of immigration restrictionists as uniquely ignorant appears totally uncalled for. If the immigration restrictionists are wrong about the legacy of the 1965 Immigration Act, then the anti-White, pro-immigrant establishment is just as mistaken about it.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  294. @Ron Unz

    My explanation is as follows: Crime is crime, and you don’t diminish the rate just to focus on homicides. Your graphs would make excellent wallpaper for a police department break room Out here in the Non-Gated Communities, you have to deal day to day with burglaries, physical abuse of women, vandalism, mail theft, car theft, sideshow racket, frequent gunshots, drug dealing, gang activity, rapes, robberies and assaults. As I pointed out, police in my town won’t investigate crimes until a liver temperature is well below the ambient level. I’ve experienced several of these aforementioned crimes on my property–six months ago, a gunfight and killing took place on our adjacent street. Maybe I could post a graph out front and have the crooks denote their data for your edification.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  295. @Liberty Mike

    Separatism is beautiful because, inter alia, it is a manifestation of freedom of association.

    I second that and would add that even communism can be beautiful as long as it’s voluntary.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  296. @Ricardo Estrada

    They’re on par with the blacks on welfare, food stamps, etc.

    I’ve noted only a few mentions of those demoralizing things here and it’s plain to me that the giveaways are much more important factors in criminal behavior than skin color, and the reasons are so obvious that they shouldn’t need elaboration. That goes for handouts to the bigwigs as well as those to those near the other end of the spectrum.

    • Replies: @Ricardo Estrada
  297. @Sic Semper

    Yes, but this is why many people voted for Trump. It certainly wasn’t because the guy offered a good prospect. It was to throw a wrench in the works.

  298. bucky says:
    @Lot

    Read the article. The Hispanics being arrested are heavily African.

  299. @Wally

    Wally,

    Bless you, but you, of all people, shock me with excuses like this, but thanks for acknowledging it,

    There are influences and coercive forces at work which make it difficult for the pols to reflect the will of the people. An excuse, I realize, but a factor nonetheless.

    Goodness, the vast majority of the people opposed involvement in WW2 until they were treasonously suckered into it by FDR on behalf of the Bolshies,and you know that. Yet you make excuses for them! And must I remind you that the vast majority of those traitors are white, and always have been?

    So, c’mon, drop the “black” bashing and hit where it could count!

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @David Baker
    , @Liberty Mike
  300. @mr meener

    Once work 456 hours straight without eating or sleeping …

    Yeah, but what were you drinking! 😉

  301. renfro says:
    @nickels

    This is VERY untrue. This is certainly the goal, to demolish our culture, but far from true.
    America’s culture is about innovation, pragmatism, hard work and moral excellence.
    It is about good citizenry and the freedom that comes from that. Christianity, but tolerance also for those faiths that value family and honesty.
    American culture is our shared history, as pioneers, businessmen, innovators, even slaves and savages

    Very well said.

    It is untrue because the culture you describe is the one I and my friends grew up in.
    Its still exist but its hard to hear amid all the noise and impossible to see because of the bottom of the barrel scraping of the media.

  302. @jacques sheete

    It’s not the skin color. It’s the blood, the low average IQ, the racial temperament. There are no Latin countries that aren’t dysfunctional, except when they go full fascist, which is the only time they become coherent thanks to killing and the threat of killing malcontents.

  303. @mr meener

    …and there will be no end to it until the whole US is a shithole…

    Well, that’s the way our rulers roll. They’ve been busy, for decades, making the rest of the world a $hithole with their bombs, uranium, printing presses and other immoral activities, so what would make anyone think they’d spare Uncle Sucker and his kiddies?

    You think we’re special er sumpin?

  304. @mr meener

    yea the whites is south afreaka are getting used to being dead

    May I suggest you look into that charge a little deeper? Contrary to what you’ve likely been fed, you’ll no doubt find that the same bunch of criminals who control the US government and have designs on the rest of the world, (as openly promoted by Karl Marx), are the real problem in SA.

    Don’t believe everything you see on teevee, and you may want to brush up on the history of the Boer War(s), and I don’t mean Brit propaganda, for starters.

  305. @David Baker

    Out here in the Non-Gated Communities, you have to deal day to day with…

    Never mind; government is here to protect you.
    And liberate Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Whoknowswheristan, etc., etc., etc.

    Be thankful that they’re not protecting you as well as they’re liberating them furnerz!

  306. @Wally

    ‘Colin, the LA times perhaps used to be relatively objective, perhaps in the Governor Pete Wilson days, but now it is unhinged leftist anti-Trump hysteria and anti-white racism gone wild.’

    I’ll have to take your word for it. It’s been literally thirty years since I read it regularly.

  307. @Ricardo Estrada

    It’s the blood, the low average IQ, the racial temperament.

    Could be, especially if you’re talking about the mass murdering thieves in positions of power.

    There are no Latin countries that aren’t dysfunctional, except when they go full fascist, which is the only time they become coherent thanks to killing and the threat of killing malcontents.

    What’s your take on the US? By any reasonable measure, I grade it as extremely dysfunctional. What else would you call a place where a Hillary, a Cheney or a Bolton held positions of power?

  308. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    You’re the horny pervy prude to focus on cleavage and hair

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  309. @Ricardo Estrada

    ‘…It’s not the skin color. It’s the blood, the low average IQ, the racial temperament. There are no Latin countries that aren’t dysfunctional…’

    Uruguay? Chile and Costa Rica may have issues, but they bump along. One never hears anything about Ecuador, which is usually a good sign.

    Just what region of the world would you describe as fully functional? Wouldn’t it be fair to say Latin America is about average?

    I’d rank it as clearly above sub-saharan Africa and the Middle East, but well below North America and Western Europe. Perhaps tied with Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia. Sounds about in the middle of the pack to me.

    • Replies: @Ricardo Estrada
  310. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:

    Hispanics are significantly better than Americans in all respects. You’ve convinced us all Ron.

    The USA still doesn’t need or want mass immigration from Latin America.

    Why is this such a difficult thing to get across? Americans NEVER wanted this, but it happened and continues to happen anyway. It’s maddening and disgusting what is being done. Just quit it Ron. For the love of God stop. It’s a freakish, sick compulsion.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  311. @jacques sheete

    One Charles A. Lindbergh was adamantly opposed to U.S. involvement in WWII. His non-intervention speech included references to Jews. ‘Seems that tribe has (And had..) their hands in many cookie jars. Lindbergh eventually flew fighters, including the P-38 Lightning, in the Pacific Campaign.

  312. @Ledford Ledford

    ‘…Why does 3.7% of the population produce (at least) 5.6% of Federal inmates (not counting immigration offenses)? …’

    You’re more or less making Unz’s point for him. 3.7 versus 5.6% is about the differential I would expect, given the lower socio-economic status of Mexicans.

    To quote Anatole France, ‘the law, in its majesty, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, from begging in the street, from sleeping under bridges, and from stealing bread.’

    Of course poor people commit more crime, and it’d be weird if Mexicans didn’t. The point is that we don’t have the fantastic multiple we do with blacks.

  313. Trump as well as his Fox “News” ilk have no intrest in facts Mr. Unz.
    How dare you interrupt the hysterical identity politics of the rightwingers with your carefully researched pro-Mexican propaganda? Were you wearing a sombrero and drinking tequila when you wrote up this well researched nonsense?
    The wall is a distraction, as anyone with a half brain knows, Trumps BFF Bibi wants America to have a wall with Mexico so he doesn’t feel so alone in his little apartheid hellhole.

    It also helps keep the conversation from turning to the actual issues affecting Americans, like healthcare or the rising cost of living and stagnant wages. It distracts the public from the Wall St. theft of the workers wealth, from the MIC/Pentagon outright theft of taxpayer money waging a War of Terror, it distracts from the theft of $38 billion by Israel while our country rots, it distracts from the Anti-BDS/Anti Free speech laws being pushed by his owners, Trump knows this, he’s no dummy, so does Fox and all of the sock puppets here.

    These people are not “invaders” as the ignorant like to say, they were invited here by the people that employ them, like Mr. Trump. The Muslims aren’t “invading” Europe, they’re being driven there by the Capitalist elite in America and Israel that are bombing the shit out of their home countries. But calling them “invaders” and hysterically screaming about a wall to stop the invaders takes the attention off of the actual causes of the problem. It works pretty well on the ignorant.

    Trump, set this Sholom Rubashkin guy free not long ago, now why would Trump want to release this guy, who had profited off the labor of hundreds of illegals? A federal judge sentenced him to 27 years in prison in 2008 for his crimes against the American worker. This is why these illegals come here, Mr. Trump and his friends employ them so they don’t have to hire you selfish Europeans who demand a living wage and overtime pay.

    If Fox News or CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc.. are covering it, you can bet its a distraction, mean’t to keep you from thinking about what the real causes of the problem are. Simple as that. Same with the migrant caravan story, no one ever asks serious questions about why these people are trying to draw attention to themselves with this large caravan of people.

    But don’t let any facts or hard truths get in the way of your hysterical identity politics circus. Carry on.
    War Is A Racket By Major General Smedley Butler
    https://ia802605.us.archive.org/29/items/WarIsARacket/WarIsARacket.pdf

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  314. @Anonymous

    ‘…Just quit it Ron. For the love of God stop. It’s a freakish, sick compulsion.’

    Oh, I support Ron’s stance here. The case against immigration is currently being made on false grounds, many people recognize that, and that weakens it.

    It’s possible — indeed, preferable — to argue against immigration without abusing anyone at all. We just don’t need more people here. That’s the only point that need be made.

    If you rant against criminal Hispanics or sinister, deceitful Asians, every time someone gets a hell of day’s hard work out of a Guatemalan or a good deal on a granite counter from an Asian, you’ve lost another supporter. Make the case that we just don’t need more Americans, good, bad, or indifferent, and you’re on much surer ground.

  315. Biff says:
    @Ron Unz

    Your work surrounding immigration has focused mainly on crime statistics as one of the issues; have you ever thought throwing some tax numbers into the mix(for better or worse)?
    Understandably crime stats are much more passionate than boring tax numbers on the issue, but it has a similar example of a falsehood taking on a life of its own such as the Romney gaffe – there is a large group of people, particularly on the right, who believe that low wage earners never pay taxes, and even are a negative tax consumer.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  316. @Dissident Millennial

    ‘And here’s Wikipedia on the 1965 Immigration Act…’

    Keep reading. Ron’s right.

  317. Bill Meyer says: • Website

    Good article from Ron, but we still have the issue of certain particular crimes/murders/deaths occuring because of the actions of those who aren’t supposed to be here. How often our leftists in Oregon promote some draconian law with “If it saves just one life”. Well how about here in Medford, OR, where an illegal alien was recently sentenced for murdering his estranged girlfriend/mother of his children…stabbing her 40 times. It’s one crime that wouldn’t have happened had he been sent back as he should have been. There are many other similar stories all over the country. None of us knew (or were allowed to know) he was an illegal until his sentencing. The D.A. never reported it, the local media didn’t know or didn’t inquire, and the Jackson County Jail no longer reports ICE holds. (Welcome to Sanctuary State Foolishness)

    In Oregon, illegals punch above their weight, being about 4 percent of the population, but are 6-7 percent of the serious violent criminals in state lockup. Plus the costs of educating illegal aliens in Oregon is enormous – FairUS.org reports 2014 stats as about 1.1 billion a year in social welfare and education costs, with $75 million or so in taxes paid by them. It’s a bad deal, unless you’re in the industries employing these folks. We have plenty of moochers and criminals in the native population, there’s no need to import more.

  318. @CharlesD

    You exhibit extreme arrogance.Every group of people have a culture. Every culture may be evaluated and come to positive or negative view on it. Even bushmen have their own culture.
    To deny culture is very sick.

  319. @jacques sheete

    ‘…However, I see no excuse for the boorish view that he stated…’

    Does the detail that it’s the demonstrable truth suffice?

    I’d love it if there was some justification for black behavior or explanation other than intense stupidity; almost pathetically, my inner liberal still brightens up with a smile on the rare occasions when I encounter a convincing counter-example.

    Really. Unfortunately, the truth is the truth, and our social policies will never get anywhere as long as they’re based on a lie.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  320. Ron Unz says:
    @Biff

    Your work surrounding immigration has focused mainly on crime statistics as one of the issues; have you ever thought throwing some tax numbers into the mix(for better or worse)?
    Understandably crime stats are much more passionate than boring tax numbers on the issue, but it has a similar example of a falsehood taking on a life of its own such as the Romney gaffe – there is a large group of people, particularly on the right, who believe that low wage earners never pay taxes, and even are a negative tax consumer.

    That’s a reasonable point, but I tend to focus my efforts on issues that are both complex and sufficiently “touchy” that other researchers have avoided them. Ridiculous claims about tax policy may fall into the first category, but certainly not the second.

    I think the notion that the non-affluent “don’t pay taxes” has been pretty thoroughly debunked by all sorts of mainstream economists, though I can imagine that none of those facts have been recognized in certain ideological circles.

    • Replies: @Absolutely
  321. Liza says:

    We just don’t need more people here. That’s the only point that need be made.

    Praise the Lard. Someone said it.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  322. @redmudhooch

    ‘…Were you wearing a sombrero and drinking tequila when you wrote up this well researched nonsense?

    It’s an interesting image.

    …what I want to see is what he wore when he denied the Holocaust.

    In fact, let’s hold a costume ball! Everyone has to dressin some costume that relates somehow to his bete noir. I, for example, will obviously need to get out my Klansman’s robes…

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  323. @Ron Unz

    ‘…Actually, didn’t Romney say something like that at a private fund-raiser? And after somebody put the recording on the Internet, didn’t it sink his campaign like a stone?’

    Lol. That was funny.

    We were at a winery, and the server was getting high on her own supply, and turned out to be right wing. She goes off on a pro-Romney rant, and my wife comes out of there sure she’s going to vote for Romney. I manage to bite my tongue. Okay, honey…

    The very next day, that ‘49% remark’ comes out. My wife definitely sees herself in that class. She was not amused.

    Romney managed to get us both to vote for Obama. It takes a pretty special candidate to do that.

  324. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    America has a progressive tax system. This means that the rich pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the poor. Essentially, the system is set up so the rich pay taxes to feed the poor. It is a symptom of America’s relatively high level of social solidarity and is a good thing.

    Ancien Regime France had the opposite tax system. The poor paid taxes to feed the rich. Ron wishes that the people respected him like the French peasants traditionally respected the French nobility. That’s why he likes to import those who no speak English so good. It makes him (undeservedly) feel superior. It is also why he has collected a herd of flock of commenter sycophants here. This is about Ron’s feelz.

    Furthermore, Ron wants to import more net recipients of tax monies because in the short-term this benefits him, cheap lawn mowering – and soon – butt wiping – he’s old and will die. He doesn’t care that this will eventually leave America bankrupt, break the whole progressive tax system, and debilitate the social fabric. It is better than having to pay properly to get his nappies changed.

    In the meantime, while he can still think clearly enough to deceive, he will pretend that mere factual observations about the nature of the progressive tax system, even ones that endorse them, are somehow ringning denounciations of their beneficiaries.

    TLDR, despite Ron’s extremely dishonest debate tactic nonsense, it remains a fact that if you earn less than 75,000 USD a year each immigrant will immediately begin competition with you for slice of the pie, reducing it, and thereby reducing the value of your membership in the American nation.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  325. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Meanwhile, weren’t most of Trump’s voters—the “Deplorables”—in that under $75K pay bracket? I have a feeling if he’d ever been caught saying anything like that, people would currently be debating whether Hillary had a shot at once again winning all 50 states in her reelection bid

    Americans built America, they deserve American tax largesse. You want to give it to Mexicans instead, because you’re going to need them to change your nappies soon. Don’t pretend to the moral high ground.

  326. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Biff

    I guess “as a former employer and a federal payroll payee” you never had to think clearly.

    I will be as simple for you as possible. Please do strain to understand.

    Facts:

    1. The US government spends more money than it takes in through taxes.

    2. The US government takes more tax money from each rich person than it does from each poor person.

    3. The US government tends to spend more on each poor person than it does on each rich person.

    These 3 facts combined mean that you have to be really quite rich to pay more than you get. It also means that adding more people from abroad who don’t qualify as “really quite rich” ends up shrinking the slice of the pie available to support Americans whose ancestors built and defended the country.

    If you disagree, please state which of the numbered facts you believe are wrong or if you simply disagree with my conclusion. Blathering on about your incredible life experiences or whatever is not helpful.

  327. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Here it is laid out for the UK. The statistics in this explainer are straight from government. They do not account for the deficit run either, which makes an even greater proportion of people net tax beneficiaries. It also doesn’t even account for the fact that lower earners have more cause to use government services such as the NHS and welfare than high earners, who often use neither.

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances–Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

  328. Bruno says:

    The 1965 act :

    1) creates chain migration, a right for refugees and suppress the quotas by nationality

    2) the obvious consequence is an explosion of the number of migrants and of’the proportion of south Asian, Latinos and Africans where the crisis were

    3) the same policies occurred at the same time in Europe . See Rivers of Blood by Enoch Powell for the UK

    4) migrants come because there is a pressure but also because they are called. See 2M coming in Germany around 2015 versus Denmark or Norway at the same time

    ——> the presentation is very contemptful for anti-migrants while being mostly false.

    —-> the 12 pages are easily read : http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/79%20stat%20911.pdf

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  329. swamped says:

    What’s the point?
    So what IF there is “absolutely overwhelming evidence that most Hispanic groups have crime rates approximately the same as those of whites of the same age”..how does that excuse ILLEGAL immigration?! Even if you saved one life (but obviously many more) wouldn’t it be worth doing utmost to secure borders, including a wall – which HAS been proven effective in San Diego and elsewhere. If you’re not for open borders then none of this matters as far as the wall or its equivalent goes. The fewer illegal aliens the fewer crimes, regardless of comparative rates. And we “have obviously been irritated by the stubborn refusal of so many [pro]-immigration activists to accept this obvious reality.” But I do NOT believe that “in most cases this position is based upon ignorance and innumeracy rather than deliberately dishonest intent.” Apologists for illegal immigration continually make these specious analogies. More importantly, illegal immigration is a crime in itself and shouldn’t go unchecked. Again, the relative flows can wax or wane with economic cycles and other vicissitudes but it’s ALL illegal regardless of relative rates! A wall is a fitting symbol of our resolve to uphold the rule of law and maintain territorial sovereignty. Build That Wall!

  330. @David Baker

    Thanks for bringing that up and it’s true. He was an active member of the antiwar America First Committee. Even then “our” wonderful government actively pursued policies directly opposed to the wishes of the masses (Some 90% were opposed to involvement in ww2 at the time), yet people still fantasize that it’s a force in our favor.

    He was, and still is, smeared with all kinds of disgusting filth, from anti-Semitism to philandering, because he dared to speak the truth.

    Also, in his Des Moine speech, he didn’t say much, if anything, about “Semites”that hadn’t already been said, and understood by “everyone,” including Churchill some 20 years earlier.

    The speech is worth reading. Note the date.

    http://www.charleslindbergh.com/americanfirst/speech.asp

    • Replies: @republic
  331. @David Baker

    Speaking of Lindbergh, his father, an immigrant, is well worth mentioning here as well since he was one of the last decent folks in the US con-gress, about which he spoke the truth.

    He was very intelligent opponent of the Federal Reserve act and predicted much of what they did, including the manipulation of the stock markets that caused the Great Depression. The establishment of the Federal Reserve provides good evidence that the US government is an agency that works for certain elements of the money bag crowd in direct opposition of the interests of at least the middle classes if not the masses.

    His books, too, are well worth a read, and anyone that reads his stuff will quickly realize that it’s futile to expect the fed gov to rectify any immigration issues in favor of the hoi polloi.

    “To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate…, producing an expansion of credit and a rising stock market; then when … business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check … prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate of interest. It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up or down. This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people’s money. They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance.”

    -Charles A. Lindbergh, Real Needs, Volume 1, Issue 1, pp 83-84
    https://books.google.com/books?id=wtgvAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA83#v=onepage&q&f=false

    The enemy is within, and it ain’t “dem blacks” on the street so much as our saviors and protectors in D.C.

  332. @Wally

    How is El Chapo classified? Asking for a friend

  333. @Reg Cæsar

    There is a very plausible theory about why this is the case that has nothing to do with ‘Hispanic’ behavior. Look into it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  334. geokat62 says:

    Ron fiddles again while Rome burns.

  335. @Colin Wright

    Of course poor people commit more crime…

    Of course it’s inevitable that poor people commit more street, or petty crime, and “everyone” “knows” it, so why do people harp on it and feel the urge to write article damning it and condemning them, such as the goofy article about the turnstile jumpers? What’s the point?

    Wouldn’t it be at least as reasonable to expose and rail against the usually much greater crimes of the upper crusties?

    Why do the much “crimes” of the lower classes get punished and published, while the much greater ones of the money bags crowds often not only go unpunished, but unnoticed and often celebrated and rewarded?

  336. @Colin Wright

    Does the detail that it’s the demonstrable truth suffice?

    It would, if either true or demonstrable. Yeah, I know that “everybody” knows it, but “everybody” at one time thought the Earth was flat, too.

    Perhaps there’s a bit more to it than what you stated?

  337. @Anon

    Nobody would, in their right mind, kick out Miss Ann from their bed… just saying!

  338. @jacques sheete

    Okay, but how long would it remain voluntary if Ivan and Vladimir, fed-up with the horrible food prepared by the local soviet kitchens, decide to open a Blini and borscht delivery business in Belgorod?

  339. @jacques sheete

    Street crime is just that…out in the open. The lower classes cannot commit white collar crime and the middle-class is not really able to fathom how it will affect them.

    When high IQ fiends commit crime like Bulger or Dahmer commit crimes, society is fascinated.

    But low IQ crime is just stupid.

  340. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “Ilyana is an indirect Quranic name for girls that means that means “softness”, “leniency”, “kindness”, “gentleness”. It is a non-standard formation derived from Ilana and Liyana, which are derived from the L-Y-N Quranic root.”

    Are you related to ‘Talha’ by any chance, softy?

  341. @Rurik

    Your advice is good.

    Correct me if I am mistaken, but haven’t you touted Uruguay?

    Like Jacques, and so many others, there are confounding factors present in my situation.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  342. @Colin Wright

    Uruguay is about 90% white. Chile 65%. Hence the difference with El Salvador, 86% Mestizo, which is in the grip of Mordor.

    But no one is ever worse than the Africans, so it is an unfair comparison.

  343. @Bruno

    Did you forget the Chinese? How convenient!

  344. @Colin Wright

    Do you mean, you don’t wear them everyday? Now that is a shame!

  345. @Colin Wright

    Mr. Unz is saying Hispanic crime is only slightly higher than white crime, not “poverty explains Hispanic crime.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  346. @jacques sheete

    The numbers are from Federal prisons. These aren’t muggers.

  347. AmRusDebate says: • Website

    Thank you Ron, for your informed position.

    I note from numerous comments that many who post their opinions, can’t be bothered to read the entire article upon which they comment. I.e. cases of when “you didn’t distinguish the Caribbeans” or you didn’t cite “Jared Taylor” – when you obviously did all of that and more. Ron is right to eschew the stupider dregs of the anti-PC communities, who have confused their beliefs about something, with having an informed or substantive position.

    Which is also why I disagree with your conclusions entirely Ron.

    You are over-intellectualizing.

    The issue with Latino crime is one of demographic doomsday, and perception that transcends borders. American’s look down south, and see killing fields which give Vietnam and Iraq a run for their money, and Americans, especially White Americans, literally want to run (permanent White Flight mode). They panic. This panic translates into tremendous apprehension about the lack of control, and the punitive measures taken against those who seek such control, of America’s borders.

    Let’s begin with a simple statistic Ron. How many border crossings/entries America has per year. You can do the math : https://www.bts.gov/content/border-crossingentry-data

    In 2018 we had roughly 280 million crossings of the border, total. I’ll leave it to your stellar team to break down the data for us further per category, location, etc. The actual estimates for the size of America’s illegal population is near 20 million as a conservative estimate, with myself tending to see a mode of 28 million as more realistic.
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates

    America has, practically speaking, open borders with the EU partners, with Japan, Taiwan, and various other places which require no visa to enter the country (plenty of poor bums from the Compact of Free Association, Protectorate areas, British Overseas Territories). Considering the large numbers of non-Whites in littoral Europe, we are seeing increasing numbers of Africans with papers from the EU. The number of Mexicans granted Border Crossing Cards annually is north of one million . Suggesting that as a minimum fifteen million Mexicans along the border with the United States, hold such papers, and can enter the country at will. These are good for ten years, they date from the mid nineties, under various names.

    America has about 90 million foreign visitors in 2018. The DOS has issued about half a million visas, and another 10 million visitors visas (of which 10% the above BCCs).

    With such flows, I don’t think it is hardly inconceivable that not only is the proverbial illegals population nearer the 20+ million figure (with unclear intentions to stay for another million). What is inconceivable, is just how can America manage these flows in a manner that respects its sovereignty.

    We are told that we have about fifty million foreign born in America today, without any clarification as to status (citizen, visitor) but certainly without taking into account illegals. Depending on the illegal numbers, in America today, there may be something like 70 million foreign born, of which 20 million minimum, illegal, paper-less, expired. For a supposed population of 300+ million, we’re dealing with nearly 25% foreigner share. Now we’re also told that in America, we have more than fifty million hispanics/latinos. Again, this does not include the twenty million illegals, of whom we have to assume a majority is Hispanic. As a quick note, Whites should take note, that for all of North America, in which the population is 570 million, Whites comprise slightly more than 1/3d of the population. For NAFTA, Whites now comprise a sliver more than 50 percent. Any further integration, any further boundlessness, rapidly alters the racial balance of the continent, specifically in CONUS itself.

    [MORE]

    Since NAFTA, integration has proceeded a pace at a speed, where Americans, whether traveling to Mexico and the Caribbean for holidays, or US business and cultural life have increasingly created a regional block, but one in which border flows are not controlled, and Hispanisation is the most salient attribute of this dynamic.

    Now you can do all the equations you want Ron, but when you front-load all your assumptions by saying – I tweak my numbers for “age” related propensity to commit crime, you omit, in keeping with all Silicon Valley bubble-heads, the territorial aspect to the question, and hence psychological.

    “Therefore, all measures of criminal activity, such as incarceration rates, should be adjusted to the size of the high-crime-age male cohort. This allows us to properly estimate the relative crime rates of Hispanics and whites of the same age.”

    Are you kidding me Ron!?

    Look, I suppose you know what the obvious answer to such a ploy is – but I’ll give it to readers anyway. It’s so cheap its not worthy of mention.

    if you smooth hispanic age for crime , then naturally you have to do the same for blacks and whites.
    duh!

    I suggest you also smooth the data for “status”, and kick in income levels to boot!

    By status I am being ironic.

    Did you? Do you? Will you?

    So please, on this point – get off it!

    You mention your own East Palo Alto. Just as you mention the continuity of crimes in Los Angeles. Of interest is not the continuity of stats, nor the comparative value of whites vs. Latinos, but the fact that East Palo Alto is a shit-hole as is most of the LA area. Do you cross 101 to go for a stroll in East Palo Alto!? How often do you chat to locals there? Or do you whizz through in your Lexus on the way to University Avenue hoping to get all greens? Now you talk of its hispanisation – but actually, the real demographic shift in that shit-hole has been the Tagalog speakers. The hispanisation preceded this, in the nineties, and reduced the negro share from forty, to 16 or so percent.

    As Linh Dinh points out, you probably know less about East Palo Alto, living next to it, than you do by reading about it in the vaunted “crime is so much lower than in the 80s” bromide served up by disinterested Valley journos. I invite anyone to just drive through the neighborhood, and see how you feel!
    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/east-palo-alto/crime

    The shtick with E. Palo Alto, is even at its peak it had relatively low overall crimes – its only twenty thousand people. So using it as an argument, while mistaking the demographic change of the area – in the debate about hispanic/white crime, strikes me as tangential. I mean you want to talk East Palo alto, you’ll have to do more than sumarily mention Hispanics. At their peak (prior to Tagalog influx) they were committing as much crimes as during the Afro peak.
    http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-East-Palo-Alto-California.html

    Nationally, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics are Meso-American, with only a small minority being Caribbean.

    Wrong.

    Take East Palo Alto again. 40 of it’s Spanish speakers are not Mexicans. At least half of the 40% are Caribs from our own “Protectorates!”

    Now you mention El Paso. Complete outlier. First, it is solidly Mexican. Not Carib, not Hispanic in a broad sense. Second, it falls under a peace deal between the Cartels. Third, it is heavily policed and watched by the FBI.

    I think your overall argument is that Blacks are the real cause of high crime rates in America. That is indisputable, and comparing Hispanics to blacks, is what your argument is all about.

    By that logic, let’s imagine that America wasn’t being hispanicised, but invaded by the same number of Chinese. What kind of crime rate would we see then?

    Without smoothing your numbers, we see that Hispanic crime, while not as flagrant and impulsive as the negro variety, is about double of the White male category, especially in aggravated assault. Whether it comes from illegals, who by their nature are in America illegally, and hence commit a crime and hence are rightfully perceived as transgressors, and rightfully associated with waves of extreme criminality witnessed in the rest of Meso-America, or by legal Hispanics, what difference does it make?

    The cases of assault are significantly higher in the Hispanic category than all others. They control the drug trade in America and La Razas and minority chauvinism makes it impossible to dislodge them from that dominant position, which expresses itself terrestrially, and politically. Make no mistake, the game played by some elites is not naive. They can see where the wind is blowing. Blacks can’t organize beyond a screaming committee – Latinos are hierarchical, and can use violence at will, for protracted turf battles. It’s not the same violence, it’s not the same logic, the result is that in every case Latinos have taken on blacks, the latter have lost, territory, population. Same goes for Whites, where the amount of violence necessary is lower, since simple intimidation (and of course Latina pussy to boast – since Whites are sexually inept).

    The territorial control is far more impressive, more consolidated. The growth of the Cartels in Mexico, in Mesoamerica is the direct result of the total control of America’s drug world by Hispanics. The territorial conquest we see in California, in large cities, is unmistakable. Not only is this a population that will not assimilate, it will assimilate America back to the empire of New Mexico. How much actual crime is committed in the meantime, matters little, when physical force is significant enough as a dissuasion. They have taken power. East Palo Alto is a case in point. What remains of the blacks, will simply not challenge what has been consolidated by the Latinos and Tagalogs.

    Latinos will be the death knell for both Blacks and Whites, because they presume a mass transgression precisely like that of the Afro-Afghani invaders of modern Europe. It doesn’t matter how nice they are or how much anyone likes them, they are not carriers of order and discipline, they are not Chinese, nor Belgians, and the crime is more poignant, and is the real challenge to America’s law and order, because of its more complex nature.

    Perhaps if you theorized less about the areas you describe, and actually visited, you’d see the difference between statistics, and real life intimidation and territorial power. I agree that Hispanics are not bad per se. Compared to blacks, with whom one is on permanent egg-shells, the problem is all together different, but your import was to expose the ignorance of a moment in American history when prioritizing illegal criminality is naive. Black crime is more direct, and can come across as more relevant, but there is a reason law enforcement has come to manage it, while with Latino’s, that’s a different story! They actually corrupt our law enforcement, more than Blacks ever could, and that is in and of itself, a greater long-term threat. The corruption involves mainstream politicians, i.e. Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio. You want to talk Russia-gate, talk Latino-gate! The interference in our 2016 elections, the illegal vote, the resulting Clinton popular vote – that is unprecedented, that is without parallel, that is a true menace. You may not see the link to Hispanic crime, but on the ground, where they gain territorial control – again only a teetotaler living in a Palo Alto start-up bubble could miss it!

    First we need to control illegal immigration. Only then does legal immigration enter the picture. If you think Trump could easily tackle both at the same time, while having his strings pulled at every step by his mac-daddy Bibi on issues detrimental to the national interest, you seem to, as too many in the Valley regularly do, confound your make believe world of ideas and arguments, with reality. You have probably visited E. Palo Alto with your rotary, Lions club palls, but go out just once, for a stroll, or send Linh Dinh on a task…I think you’ll form a different impression of your attitude about these things…

    Mexicans, Hispanics, Latinos have their La Razas. They have their mainstream Chauvinist organizations. They are 2/3ds of North America’s population, a continent more and more integrated with every year. You can see why Whites, who have no right to self-representation, LOGICALLY panic about the first thing that stands out as the most flagrant message to them – you have no future.

    So your intellectual arguments…they are unpersuasive…useless…wonkish bubble-land. You’re missing the forest here.

    You are joining the left-wing chorus of those who patronize Whites on a 24/7 basis about bigotry and racism being responsible for any and all mention of “illegal crime waves”.

    Why?

    As many have remarked, many profound thinkers, if Trump doesn’t solve the problem the way he’s being asked to right now, the next wave of presidents and/or the total dissolution of the Union will proceed with far more radical agendas. If the Mainstream doesn’t’ so much as agree on the necessity of following our laws, procedures, then what follows from this rejection, will be anarchy, in which race war will be a strong ingredient.

    Straight pure and simple.

    I don’t think its responsible to play with fire here. To add to the insane position of the MSM, systematically used to cudgel Whites into racial self-abnegation that they are ignorant in their anxieties about illegals, and wrong to link such illegality to crime. You are playing into the wrong hands. I don’t think highly of the average White American, in the sense that my experience with them on Gab is of extreme Antisemitism, crudeness and illiteracy, but you’re not helping here.

    Listen to Michael Savage a little more on this issue, he’s less intellectual. He goes out on the streets. He listens to them. He’s got this one right. You don’t.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @FvS
  348. @Lot

    The public restrooms on the boardwalk at Coney Island have been turned into boarding houses by the “borracho y loco” and the number is for ever increasing… it seems like they know where to end up even before they start the journey on foot or train like the hobos. And just last week, a Hispanic tough, “el chapo junior” was beating up a Russian drunk in broad daylight… disgusting!

  349. @Mr McKenna

    The rulers and the ruled truly live a million miles apart. What makes you think that the “owners” of America do not include the other “America” in its list of properties? It’s like the old pineapple plantations on the Hawaiian islands… the Anglo-Saxons owned it, the Portuguese were the foremen and the natives, not the Hawaiians but the Asians were the laborers. Now the Jews have replaced the Anglos and the Chinese and Indians etc are being trained to serve as the formen and the rest will work on the plantation known as the “Americas”, from the Arctic to the Antarctic; therefore, it would be only natural that the one hundred million Hispanics would end up living next door to you.

    Can you get used to it or are you going to do something about it to avoid its actualization?

  350. @jacques sheete

    We should never forget that it was the white man who gave us all of the following:

    (1) Communism;

    (2) Fabianism;

    (3) Marxism;

    (4) Progressivism;

    (5) The income tax;

    (6) The progressive income tax;

    (7) The Square Deal;

    (8) The New Deal;

    (9) Manifest Destiny;

    (10) The Only Good Indian is a Dead Indian;

    (11) The monopolization of mail delivery;

    (12) The American System;

    (13) The Alien and Sedition Acts;

    (14) The incarceration of newspaper editors and publishers who criticized presidential war mongering;

    (15) The deportation of sitting congressmen who criticized presidential war mongering;

    (16) The Federal Rerserve;

    (17) Fiat money;

    (18) The use of atomic weapons;

    (19) Abraham Lincoln; and

    (20) Barack Hussein Obama.

    • Troll: utu
  351. jrl says:
    @syonredux

    I’ve actually never heard anyone attribute Latin American immigration to Hart-Cellar, but maybe I missed something.

  352. @Wally

    In as much as Ron Unz likes to be liked by the White Christians, deep down he probably suffers from the nightmare of being strung up by the white-hooded fellows… it ain’t a sweet dream!

    • Replies: @republic
  353. geokat62 says:
    @Liberty Mike

    We should never forget that it was the white man who gave us all of the following

    To make your statement more accurate, between the words “white” and “man” you should insert the words “Jewish supremacist” and the word “almost” before “all”:

    We should never forget that it was the white Jewish supremacist man who gave us almost all of the following:

    It’s an important distinction, as most Jews don’t self-identify as white. To them it’s Jew vs. Goy.

    • Agree: Rurik
  354. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    haven’t you touted Uruguay?

    Yes Mike, but I confess more in a lighthearted metaphor for a far away exotic land where Zionists and assorted BLM, La Raza, Hollywood, DNC, GOP, Wall Street, CNN, Faux News arseholes are a distant (if sordid) memory.

    I’ve been as far south as Costa Rica, and plan on exploring much more when I get the opportunity, (I think Ron Unz had once offered me a position as a travel writer to compliment the excellent Linh Dinh, but then I may be mistaken about that ; )

    So when the opportunity presents.. then I’ll certainly visit Uruguay with relish, as I suspect it’s very far removed from all the bullshit we endure here in the ‘good ol’ ZUS of A’.

    (Costa Rica is beautiful and lush, full of friendly people and a laid back lifestyle. ~ Pura Vida!

    But there’s also waaayyy too many Gringos heading down there. Bringing with them all the crass and vulgarisms we all suffer here in USA! USA! land. So Panama or further south I suspect is the ticket.

  355. @jacques sheete

    ‘…Wouldn’t it be at least as reasonable to expose and rail against the usually much greater crimes of the upper crusties?’

    There are a couple of responses to that. First, people do expose and rail against ‘the usually much greater crimes of the upper crusties.’ Indeed, they’re usually held to a higher standard. Joe Street Vermin can talk all he wants to about ‘grabbing them by the pussy’: at most people will think he’s tacky. When that tape emerged of Trump saying it, there was practically an attempted lynching.

    Second, the cynical response would be that almost by definition, if the upper crusties are doing it, it isn’t a crime. Crime is an unsuccessful, deviant response to a culture; what’s a ‘crime’ depends on the norms of that culture. The ‘upper crusties’ are by definition those who have succeeded in a given culture — be they Victorian robber barons, Communist apparatchniks, or modern affirmative action cadets. What they do is the culture. It can hardly be a crime.

    This aspect of things surfaced at the Nuremberg trials. At least some of the defendants were outraged that they were being put in the dock. They were not criminals. People who have become ministers of the state are by definition not criminals.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  356. @Ledford Ledford

    ;Mr. Unz is saying Hispanic crime is only slightly higher than white crime, not “poverty explains Hispanic crime.”’

    But I too say that Hispanic crime is only slightly higher than white crime.

    In my puppy years, I routinely lived in Hispanic neighborhoods. I’d never live in a black neighborhood. That may be putting the whole issue differently, but it seems like saying the same thing to me.

    Hispanics are alright. I just don’t want more immigrants — from anywhere, of any legal status.

  357. @Rurik

    ‘But there’s also waaayyy too many Gringos heading down there. Bringing with them all the crass and vulgarisms we all suffer here in USA! USA! land. So Panama or further south I suspect is the ticket.’

    You’d like Chile. They think they’re normal, but they’re actually pretty bizarre.

    Too, I can’t recall many other tourists. There were a few at one of Pablo Neruda’s houses, but that was about it.

  358. @geokat62

    ‘It’s an important distinction, as most Jews don’t self-identify as white. To them it’s Jew vs. Goy.’

    I think this is actually part of a Jewish identity crisis. When everyone was white, and religion mattered, being Jewish was significant.

    Now that blacks have become common in the larger culture, and we’ve got hordes of Hispanics, Asians, and people no one can quite identify, being Jewish just isn’t a significant marker. Being white is what sets one apart. I might as well trumpet my Lutheranism or whatever.

    No one notices. The Judaism just isn’t important.

    Partly, I suspect this is why so many cling to Israel. They either no longer go to the synagogue, or don’t take it seriously if they do. On the street and at work or school, people treat them as ‘one of us.’ All that’s left is fealty to a morally indefensible, spiritually deficient nasty little garrison state in the Middle East. It’s the only way left to be Jewish.

  359. republic says:

    http://www.murderdata.org/p/blog-page.html

    I was checking on the historical murder clearance rates in Los Angeles. In 1970 Los Angeles had about 71% non Hispanic whites, today around 28%. The chart that I posted above shows a big decline in the murder clearance rates from 1970 to today in Los Angeles.

    White ethnic replacement in that city shows that the police are unable to solve a high percentages of murders.

    In Mexico, the murder clearance rate is about 6%!

    You bring Mexico to the US, you get Mexican results.

    Police in a White high trust society can solve murders, in an ethnically diverse society not so much.

  360. @Liberty Mike

    ‘We should never forget that it was the white man who gave us all of the following…’

    The white man gave us everything past primitive agriculture.

    Absent the white man, you’d either (a) be Chinese, or (b) be fattening up your own daughter to sacrifice her to the volcano god.

    No offense, but everyone should be very, very grateful to white people — especially white men.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  361. I couldn’t bring myself to read this whole thing. It was just too long. But whether or not the 65 Immigration Act changed anything doesn’t change the fundamental issue. Why is it wrong that we desire our nation to remain a white dominated nation? After all, this is what the 1795 Naturalization Act made clear was the intention of our founders from the beginning.
    Our biggest issue is simply believing that we are a distinct people, as white Americans, and that Somalian-Americans, Palestinian-Americans are simply not Americans, but foreigners dwelling on American soil. This idea is reprehensibly wicked to many, and condemned by virtually everyone. But the distinction in peoples is a distinction which comes from God, and cannot be erased simply by insisting that we are all the same.

  362. @niteranger

    Ron, like most jews, wants to destroy the white race. He just pursues this purpose somewhat differently than the others. But his policies and theirs lead to the same thing: the demographic extinction of whites in what were once considered their lands.

  363. @AmRusDebate

    ‘…Now you mention El Paso. Complete outlier. First, it is solidly Mexican. Not Carib, not Hispanic in a broad sense. Second, it falls under a peace deal between the Cartels. Third, it is heavily policed and watched by the FBI…’

    This doesn’t accord with your larger point at all, but I suspect El Paso has such nice stats because it’s been Hispanic for a long time (I could be wrong here; I’m just speculating off of one visit where I got a truck tire fixed in the barrio).

    It’s a stable, settled community. One has the same thing in East LA proper, which is actually less crime-ridden than immigrant landing points such as Boyle Heights. Again, it’s more of a settled, stable community.

    It’s politically incorrect as hell, but maybe it all works if a white master race sets the norms for a cooperative, submissive mass of Hispanic untermenschen. Just sort of recycle the Victorian British attitude towards India. Bring me my drink on the veranda, Jose…

    It’s not actually the America I want, but it’s one possible vision. Ironically, what really rules it out is the attitude of whites themselves. The Hispanics probably wouldn’t mind; they’re used to the supremacy of lighter skin. It’s us. We’re eating our own liver, so to speak.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @AmRusDebate
  364. Rurik says:

    You’d like Chile.

    I’m convinced of it.

    I know some guys who say Chile has the best (affordable) wine due to its excellent quality of water. (I guess the water makes its way into the grapes. Also France apparently has the best unaffordable wine).

    I also consider Argentina as a possible destination. I know a few expats from there, and they’re always fine and interesting people.

    (I’m told that the putative founding stock of Chile were Brits, whereas the founding stock of Argentina were Italians. Obviously there would have been much blending by now, but perhaps there’s still some truth to that).

    In any case, (and trying to stay nominally on topic), all those countries are Hispanic, (based on the surname definition), and so perhaps there’s some lessons for us in the (increasingly Hispanic) ZUSA – down in them there parts.

  365. republic says:
    @jacques sheete

    You should read the absolutely brilliant biography ,Lindbergh ,by A Scott Berg.

    Won the Pulitzer prize.

  366. Liza says:

    @Colin.

    Bring me my drink on the veranda, Jose…

    The Indian version was “Mo’ tea, suh?” – and we know how that ended up. English – RAUS!

    Same with the Europeans who really enjoyed having all those blacks do their daily housework for them in South Africa. It’s been said that they wouldn’t make their own beds and now they are being slaughtered in them.

    No way out. Let’s do all our own house, domestic and yard work, proudly. Most of us have ancestors who hired their own kind when necessary (as in farm labor.) We can relearn what our not-too-distant forebears did without blinking an eye.

    Jes’ saying. 🙂

  367. @Rurik

    Regarding your last paragraph, echoes of Massholes migrating to the erstwhile Live Free or Die state.

  368. @Colin Wright

    The point of my post is to remind us how we have blundered and how far we have, and can, stray.

  369. MarkinLA says:
    @Ron Unz

    Probably due to most drug distribution cases being tried in federal courts. A lot of drug distributors are working for the cartels but are citizens, like those two guys in Chicago caught in the middle of a turf war who went to the DEA.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-flores-brothers-cartel-sentencing-met-0128-20150127-story.html

    The increase in federal prisoners overwhelming non-citizens already incarcerated.

  370. asdf says:

    1) Excluding “Hispanics” in the Northeast is problematic considering there are A LOT of them. We aren’t talking about some tiny statistical footnote. I understand you don’t want Mexican Americans in California associated with generally browner “Hispanics” from the Islands, but what that immigration did to the Northeast is a BIG DEAL.

    P.S. NYC was where I grew up.

    2) It’s well known that lots of Hispanic social statistics decline in the second generation. Divorce and crime both go up. First generation Mexican Americans aren’t that different from whites, but Second generation Mexicans are different from whites. In some ways the data from Northeast Hispanics is driven by the fact that places like Puerto Rico are already tapped into the US welfare system.

    3) East Palo Alto went from majority black to majority Hispanic. Not majority white to majority Hispanic. You’re also throwing in the post-crack epidemic crime decrease. This is really really disingenuous and basically slimy.

    4) I know you don’t think Hispanic IQ is actually genetic and unchanging, but I found your analysis flawed. I think the general consensus on Hispanic IQ (about halfway between black and white) is mostly genetic and unlikely to change. Nearly all social statistics including crime on Hispanics track pretty well to this IQ approximation, especially second generation and onward. It also tracks within the Hispanic population (browner Islanders in the Northeast worst, white-ish Cubans better).

    The bottom line on immigration is that Hispanic immigration was a net loss for America and we would have been better off if we had kept them out. That’s what The Wall is about. Admitting the error, not deepening the error, and no longer teaching people that all non-white failure is white peoples fault.

    Once we have a majority non-white country this will likely be impossible. Then you get Malaysia (or if you want a Hispanic version, what happened when browner Hispanics got power over whiter Hispanics in Venezuela).

    • Replies: @asdf
    , @Ron Unz
  371. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    This doesn’t accord with your larger point at all, but I suspect El Paso has such nice stats because it’s been Hispanic for a long time (I could be wrong here; I’m just speculating off of one visit where I got a truck tire fixed in the barrio).

    Actually, El Paso may not be an entirely fair example as a very heavily Hispanic low-crime outlier. It’s right next to Juarez, which has extremely high crime rates, and one might plausibly argue that crime-oriented residents of El Paso tend to cross the border so they can make much more money in the lucrative drug-trade while killing each other off.

    I think a much better example is Santa Ana, CA, which is also 80% Hispanic and has fairly low crime rates, though not as low as El Paso. It’s also traditionally been overwhelmingly immigrant, which tends to rebut the notion that long-established Hispanic communities have much lower crime rates than relatively recent ones.

  372. BlackFlag says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Nothing inherently wrong but I think it sounds bad to most people. Separatistsm is associated with terrorism and secession does sound kind of icky and wimpy. Of courses, the market should be tested. I am almost sure Independence sounds more inspiring to most people.

    Also funny how people on the right use the word ‘liberal’ as a slur when it’s pretty much what they themselves stand for and opposite to what leftists support. Before leftists could at least claim to be socially liberal but nowadays when a man cannot refuse to bake a cake based on religious principles or when a man gets fired for raising the hypothesis that men and women differ psychologically, the term is absurd. Yet Republicans keep using the term rather than calling them something like totalitarians, communists, etc.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  373. Miro23 says:
    @JLK

    You’ve pretty much convinced me that the Mexican immigrants aren’t substantially more crime-prone than white Americans.

    Agree with this. Latinos don’t seem to cause too many problems, they’re mostly Christian, hardworking, want to integrate and have their children learn English. They’re already the majority in California and take care of most of the low wage work without too many complaints.
    The issue seems to be something else:

    A half-century ago, Los Angeles was over 70% white and only 10% Hispanic, and today it’s 50% Hispanic and perhaps 25% white.

    The white Anglo/European majority never seemed to understand (or have it explained to them) that over those 50 years they were on track to become a minority in the state they founded and built, and maybe “As goes California, so goes the country”?

    The ethnic composition of a country matters. In the United States, Anglo/Europeans produced a successful country that speaks English, is based on the English tradition, and which attracts immigrants from less well organized societies. Less technologically proficient ethnic groups are emigrating to the United States to find work and join a superior civil society. It’s not Anglos that are emigrating to Latin America.

    Now Trump has brought the issue out into the open. It was a big reason he was elected, showing that Anglo/European America doesn’t want the process to continue – and surprisingly they have found that they (and Trump) are now under intense attack from a minority US elite (Jewish, corporate & their MSM agents) who obviously hate them.

    So Anglo/Americans probably rightly assess that if they become a minority under Democracy, allowing the US elite take permanent power through the Democratic party (Latinos for whatever reason vote Democratic) the verbal abuse and demonization could turn physical and they could be in real trouble.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  374. asdf says:
    @asdf

    P.S. I’ve read your articles on California. The parts of California that are successful are the white/asian parts, and nobody wants to live in the Hispanic parts. The biggest engine of prosperity, the SF area, is overwhelmingly white and asian. SF itself is less diverse then decades ago (if we don’t count Asians as diverse, and Harvard sure doesn’t). And the worst kind, blacks, have been driven out of these areas.

    But the whole country can’t be SF (there aren’t enough high IQ people to siphon off to every city in America). And SF hasn’t have to deal with the problems of Hispanic immigration yet (that is mostly a SOCAL problem). It’s worth noting though that despite huge profit centers (tech and Hollywood) California still can’t create sustainable middle class lives for its people. Anyone attempting to replicated its model without its unique advantages would do even worse.

  375. Art says:

    The one party Hispanic state.

    Why Is California Falling Apart??’ – Tucker Carlson & Dave Rubin Talk About Problems In California

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjONnpBwSbY

    Think Peace — Art

  376. Ron Unz says:
    @asdf

    Excluding “Hispanics” in the Northeast is problematic considering there are A LOT of them. We aren’t talking about some tiny statistical footnote…NYC was where I grew up.

    Well, the (non-Cuban) Carribean Hispanics who traditionally dominated NYC and the rest of the Northeast are roughly 12% of the national Hispanic total. Meanwhile, the Meso-American Hispanics who have traditionally dominated CA, TX, and most of the rest of the country are around 75-80% of the total. The former seems a pretty small fraction to me, but I suppose it’s a matter of definition.

    It’s well known that lots of Hispanic social statistics decline in the second generation. Divorce and crime both go up.

    That’s certainly correct, but the magnitude has been grossly exaggerated in anti-immigration circles. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized in my articles, the key point is that among high-crime-age Hispanics, the overwhelming majority are *already* American-born, so that the spike in the crime rate you and others predict, is *already* reflected in today’s data. Offhand, I don’t see it, do you?

    East Palo Alto went from majority black to majority Hispanic.

    I never claimed otherwise. But a 95+% decline in the homicide rate is something people really notice, and other serious crime rates have also declined by huge amounts.

  377. @BlackFlag

    Independence may very well sound more pleasing to most people.

    Completely agree with your second paragraph. Tucker Carlson hammers this point frequently.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  378. asdf says:

    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for the reply.

    1) The Northeast has over seven million Hispanics, and that doesn’t count those that categorize themselves otherwise. Mostly concentrated in major cities. That’s…not a small number of people. If they tend to cause more problems than an average Hispanic, then the impact is felt even more. Blacks are smaller in number than Hispanics, but they cause way more problems. The brownish Hispanics that immigrated to the Northeast similarly punch above their weight in dysfunction.

    I watched my grandparents neighborhood in NYC go from Catholic White to Puerto Rican/Dominican. It wasn’t a great transition. I get that those “Hispanics” are further along the “brown” scale than UMC Mexican immigrants that concern you, but it’s millions of people.

    2) When thinking about my kids future, I mostly care about what things are going to look like long term. Second+ generation Hispanic behavior is what my kids will have to deal with.

    3) Crime has declined in general compared to the 1990s for a lot of reasons. I think it’s silly to try to apples to apples crime statistics like that. The issue with black displacement just makes the comparison worse. I think the fact that elite cities mostly used Hispanics to displace blacks (the Sailer Hypothesis) is part of why they don’t fret it so much (for the rest of us, those blacks did end up moving somewhere else).

    I don’t recall making a prediction about absolute crime in 1990 (I was 7). The city I live now, Baltimore, actually hasn’t experienced a drop in crime since then. I worry that as Dems get more power due to Hispanic voters crime will worsen (as it did with the riots and BLM). Many of the blacks displaced by Hispanic immigration move out to Baltimore County (thus causing problems in a previously safe area).

    Let me ask a simple question. If no Hispanics had immigrated to the US over the past several decades, would the crime rate today (excluding blacks, to get rid of dilusion effect) be higher or lower?

    The real per capita income? The % living in poverty (after adjusting for real housing costs)? Would all those middle class white people have felt the need to flee California?

    Hispanics take more out of the system than they pay in. This will continue indefinitely due to lower IQs. They don’t have great social statistics. The browner the Hispanic, the worse the performance. I freely admit people with your skin tone living in Silicon Valley probably aren’t a problem, but much of the immigration story in America differs from that.

    Hispanics will likely move us to the left politically (if only because they are net receivers of government, and also because of what appear to be overall policy preferences they show both in their home countries and here).

    Hispanic immigration wasn’t good for America. It was a mistake.

    We need to admit that was a mistake. Firstly because it’s a TRUE STATEMENT.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @David Baker
  379. Ron Unz says:
    @asdf

    I watched my grandparents neighborhood in NYC go from Catholic White to Puerto Rican/Dominican.

    Well, don’t forget that 75% of the sort of Hispanics that you say have caused you so many problems (non-Cuban Caribbeans) are Puerto Ricans, who are *not* immigrants. They’re all native-born American citizens, and have been for over a century.

    I think the fact that elite cities mostly used Hispanics to displace blacks (the Sailer Hypothesis)

    Ha, ha, ha… Just where do you think Steve *got* his “Sailer Hypothesis”?! You really might want to read my own article that I’ve repeatedly linked, which analyzes the whole situation in very considerable detail:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

  380. @geokat62

    ((( They ))) were not:

    Honest Abe;

    General Sherman;

    General Sheridan;

    Lt. Colonel Custer;

    Senator John Sherman, brother of William Tecumseh Sherman;

    The Interstate Commerce Act;

    Manifest Destiny;

    The Only Good Indian is a Dead Indian;

    Yankee Progressivism; and

    I could go on and on…..

    Some of us must guard against being Eric Cartman while simultaneously assailing AIPAC and demanding not one more dime go to the Kike state.

  381. asdf says:

    @Ron Unz

    I’m aware that Puerto Rico is a colonial loophole in the immigration system. I believe it should be closed, in fact should have been closed decades ago. They should not have citizenship and never should have. I think most people would consider Puerto Ricans moving to the mainland USA to be “Hispanic immigration.”

    The bottom line is if they stayed on their Island, the USA and New York in particular would have been a lot better off.

    You dodged the question about whether (non-black) crime rates in an alternate 2019 with no Hispanic immigration would be lower than our actual 2019 (along with the rest of the points).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  382. @asdf

    Perhaps lower I.Q.s are a factor, but there’s a cultural element. Mexico is the prime example of that culture. You have to ask yourself why all those people clamor over our borders, when their supposed nirvana is already under their feet; a nation with a population almost exclusively Hispanic, led by Hispanics, and rich with natural resources, a fair climate, ports, industry and tourism. What compels them to leave such a paradise? I can surmise that their government is corrupted, drug lords threaten the populations, they’re facing poverty and hopelessness, and they’re hearing about the opportunities available in America, most likely from Democrat political sources. I’m quite sure they’re not educated as well as folks in most countries, so you have the dumbed-down facet of liberal progressive agendas. There’s also nepotism: I’m willing to wager most government offices in that country are staffed with people having similar surnames. In our city, a former Hispanic Mayor’s clan is prominently represented among the public sector. Other Hispanic-dominated countries are suffering from a similar malaise, so the trend can be studied. The recent Mid Term election in our country included a political upset of a republican representative by a female Hispanic, who may as well have a tattoo composed of a Hammer and Sickle.

    Maybe it will take the specter of Lady Liberty shooting up , or her torch lighting a joint to convey the cultural changes we are subjected to as liberals wave those people across our boundaries.

  383. Ron Unz says:
    @asdf

    You dodged the question about whether (non-black) crime rates in an alternate 2019 with no Hispanic immigration would be lower than our actual 2019 (along with the rest of the points).

    Well, if you exclude the Puerto Ricans—whom as you admit aren’t immigrants—the remainder of the Hispanic population seems to have crime rates that are very similar to whites of the same age.

    So, except for the fact that Hispanic immigration made America considerably more youthful, it’s not clear that the crime was much impacted. If white American families had had more children, the results would have probably been about the same.

  384. @Colin Wright

    Nuremberg was a railroading exercise to place destitute, defeated German on the hook to underwrite Israel and Jews. Monty hit the nail on the head when he remarked about Germany losing the war being pretext for a criminal trial.

  385. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Gee Wiz,

    Generally, I stay away from you inane pathological defense of Jews – but your statement that Jews ignore race was just too much. That was such a huge lie – that I could not help myself.

    Despite your compulsions – please work for peace.

    Art

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  386. @Ron Unz

    I am sure the mothers and fathers of those citizens assaulted, raped, murdered by illegal aliens are much comforted by the notion that the children they and their fellow citizens didn’t have would have committed more crime if only they didn’t exist.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  387. BlackFlag says:
    @Liberty Mike

    There’s no question it does.
    Imagine if you heard of a discriminated ethnic group in China “fighting for Independence” vs a “separatist movemement breaking away.”

    They called the movie Independence Day, not Secession Day.

    Americans have been primed to love the word.

    As for the leftists, there still is no word as catchy as fascist. I like totalitarian but most people don’t even know what that is and it’s too long. Communist and Marxist don’t pack the same punch that they used to.

    NPC is good cause it makes them sound uncool but you need one that also captures the evilness, repression, weirdness, denial of nature of the totalitarians.

    A new word is hard to generate without the megaphone so best is maybe to get one with an already primed reaction (like Independence). Maybe intolerants.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  388. @Liberty Mike

    Exactly right sir! You should not delay in your extradition to Sub Saharan Africa, where you will be free of those incontrovertibly terrible things.

    Bon voy ahgy!

  389. @Ron Unz

    I think the notion that the non-affluent “don’t pay taxes” has been pretty thoroughly debunked by all sorts of mainstream economists,

    Are you that thick or playing dumb?

    Who did ever claim Hispanic migrants, or for that matter the “non affluent” do not pay taxes? This is a strawman and you know it. Virtually everyone pays taxes.

    What is being said is that Hispanic immigrants, which are overwhelmingly poorer and come to the US to work in jobs thath require little or no qualification at all, are not net contributors to US finances, but a burden. As, for instance, the elderly and disabled in the UK. Or people on minimum salary.

    Which means that with free healthcare, food stamps for kids, free schooling, government expenses (bureaucracy, army, police, judiciary, free lawyers when in trouble, roads, public areas care) they are getting more in infrastructures and services than what they pay in taxes *on average*.

    Not to talk about, as some commenter mentioned already, that many of them are working without contract and paid daily or weekly in cash. How many? 10 million? 20 million? can illegals work legally in the US?

    Did you really run for the senate? How come you are in the “vociferously debunking myths based on statistical data” sector but not familiarised yet with the concept of *averages*?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances–Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

    Now the above article makes sense in the UK but not in the US because of reasons?

    What “mainstream economists” have debunked what the above article claims? I would like to know so I can update or balance my opinions with new solid research.

    Your constant moans about the alt-right’s fallacious arguments turning people away, suddenly become quite amusing when you yourself are doing the same.

    How is the readership going to take your seriously with such displays of ignorance plus the sophistry?

  390. Ron Unz says:
    @Bob who thinks Ron Fkd in the head on this

    I am sure the mothers and fathers of those citizens assaulted, raped, murdered by illegal aliens are much comforted by the notion that the children they and their fellow citizens didn’t have would have committed more crime if only they didn’t exist.

    Well, offhand you sound like some agitated halfwit who’s been taken in by a ridiculous hoax, but perhaps you can prove me wrong. Here’s a challenge I’ve previously made on several occasions…

    There are supposedly 11M illegals (though some of you believe that’s a severe under-count), putting them at over 3% of the national population. We also have 15,000 annual homicides. So if illegals were just average, they’d murder about 500 people per year. But trying to figure out if they actually kill that many would be very difficult, so let’s try a much easier sampling technique.

    I challenge you to find just TEN cases during all of 2018 in which an ordinary, middle-class, law-abiding white person was murdered in a “street crime” by an illegal. This excludes wives stabbing husbands, drug dealers shooting each other, and that sort of thing. If there are 11M illegals and 15K homicides and you can’t find TEN during an entire year by sifting the archives of Breitbart and Daily Stormer, maybe you should stop watching FoxNews so much.

    My guess is that an average of about ten middle-class whites are killed each year by lightning, so maybe lighting-strikes are one of our greatest national threats.

    Given all the “mothers and fathers” whom you say have been crying about their murdered white children, it should be pretty easy. So go to it!

  391. @Miro23

    Latinos for whatever reason vote Democratic


    List of United States Representatives from California
    47 Democrat
    7 Republican

    2016 United States presidential election in California
    Hillary Clinton 8,753,788 61.73%
    Donald Trump 4,483,810 31.62%

  392. @Art

    Exposing your limitations (that’s a polite way of putting it) as usual. I didn’t say Jews ignore race. But, an afterthought, maybe you should try and work out what I was saying. I doubt that it will result in a permanent improvement in your cognitive function but you might learn something. (Clue/hint: Rurik got it).

  393. @Numinous

    ‘…If all these assumptions are met, then such an “open-borders” regime is likely not going to result in too much migration.’

    Plus, it will keep wages low and the bottom tiers of society in their place.

    For example, that’s how Andrew Carnegie used ‘open borders’ when the workers went on strike in his Appalachian coal mines. He fired ’em all and brought in Slovaks.

    I remember when a guy working on my house fell out of a window and broke his arm while he was drunk. Everyone thought it was pretty funny, and the contractor (himself Mexican) just got another Mexican.

    There are always more. Ah, it’s going to be wonderful to be rich in the brave new world. At last, a working class that will forever be kept in its place. Cheap, docile servants, and if they displease you in some way, just fire ’em. You’ll always be able to get another.

    That’s what America should be. Looking forward to it.

  394. Three points.

    First, comparing criminality of natives and immigrants based on incarceration rates is misleading. Most natives who are incarcerated will be incarcerated several times in their lifetimes. If an immigrant is incarcerated, he will ordinarily be deported after completing his sentence, reducing the number of US incarcerations of immigrants compared to the number of such incarcerations of equally crime-prone natives.

    Second, even if illegal immigrants as a group were no more criminally inclined than the native born, we are stuck with criminals who are born here but need not be stuck with criminally prone aliens. When we admit a small percentage of the hundreds of millions of aliens who would like to live here, we have every right to screen out those likely to commit crime. In fact, legal immigrants must provide evidence that they have not been convicted of crimes in their home country (as a result, it would be unsurprising if their US crime rates were lower than native crime rates). Even if illegal aliens committed fewer crimes than the native-born, every US citizen who is robbed, raped, or murdered by an illegal alien is a real-world victim of a wholly unnecessary lapse in immigration enforcement.

    Third, it is not just the number of alien criminals admitted that should give us concern, but also the extent to which they are members of organized crime groups. I have no idea whether Italian immigrants at the turn of the 20th century were more likely to commit crimes than the native-born, but along with the very good folks who immigrated from Southern Italy came the Mafia, whose horrible crimes of extortion and violence remain with us today even as Italian immigration has fallen to a trickle. An illegal alien criminal may cause much harm during his presence, but the member of an organized gang is the root of a harm that will continue across many generations. Some of the world’s most violent gangs are centered in the south of North America and the north of South America. Some of those gangs have already gained footholds in such unlikely places as the Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC. At a certain point, they are powerful enough to survive without a flux of new immigrant members. Like the Mafia, once entrenched, they can recruit successfully within the native-born ethnic community to which they belong, yielding consequences for our children and grandchildren far more awful than the increase in crimes attributable to the current flow of illegal immigrants, whatever that increase may be.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  395. KenH says:

    Ron has claimed/keeps claiming and based on the chart at top that white and Hispanic (mestizo) crime rates are “roughly the same.” Even using the chart at the top of this article anyone can see that they really aren’t. In the 15-34 age bracket it looks like the white incarceration rates is 3000 per 100,000 while Hispanic incarceration rates are 4500 per 100,000 which is 50% higher than the white rate.

    But there’s currently 3.5x more whites than Hispanics in the general population and when adjusted accordingly the Hispanic crime rate climbs to 15,750 per 100K. So by extrapolation we can conclude that as the Hispanic population continues to increase, so will crime. And it will if the nations they hail from are any indication.

    Hispanics clearly aren’t blacks and Ron’s dandy charts prove that much. But they aren’t whites either and Ron would have us believe that the California landscape is dotted with Hispanic majority Mayberry’s. I’ve talked with a number of California refugees over the years who see things a little differently.

    If, in Ron’s opinion, anti-immigration proponents are guilty of “ignorance and innumeracy” then Unz is guilty of disingenuity when it comes to hispanic crime and the overall impact they have on America.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  396. Miro23 says:
    @BlackFlag

    NPC is good cause it makes them sound uncool but you need one that also captures the evilness, repression, weirdness, denial of nature of the totalitarians.

    I know it’s OTT (and it’s been suggested before), but J.R.R. Tolkien’s fictional land of Mordor catches the idea of creative evil, repression and weirdness – with Sauron (Eye of Sauron), using his wizards, Orcs and agents to try and dominate Middle Earth.

    The Lord of the Rings was written between 1937 and 1949 (before during and after WW2) and deals with freedom and totalitarianism.

  397. @Ron Unz

    See my prior post 118 in this thread. I have already granted your points on the facts of the 1924 & 1965 immigration laws, and Hispanic crime rates, and explained why those arguments are wanting. I am not sure what hoax you think I am taken in by as you don’t explain. I certainly accept the agitated halfwit description as fair critique given the intentional insulting nature of the handle I adopted for this post. Your challenge like those points is not germane to the key point of contention.

    Do we US citizens have a right to enforce the law we already have established?

    I repeat myself here:

    I accept the crime rates are substantially as shown in his 2017 California Police Shootings and Killings bar chart. As a US citizen it is still perfectly reasonable to resent each and every crime committed by illegal immigrants of any and all races and ethnicities. These are all crimes the US population should not have had to endure as these people should not have been here. We resent each assault, rape, and murder of a US citizen by an illegal immigrant with no regard for race or ethnicity of either victim or perpetrator.

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-alien-statistics

    FY2016 FY2017 FY18TD
    Assault, battery, domestic violence 1,007 692 506
    Burglary, robbery, larceny, theft, fraud 825 595 322
    Driving under the influence 2,458 1,596 1,062
    Homicide, manslaughter 8 3 3
    Illegal drug possession, trafficking 1,797 1,249 816
    Illegal entry, re-entry 7,060 4,502 3,637
    Illegal weapons pos, tras, trafficking 237 173 98
    Sexual offenses 155 137 78
    Other2 2,544 1,851 1,298

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  398. Asdf says:
    @Ron Unz

    They are clearly”immigrants”. I don’t give a damn that they were given citizenship in 1917. They were living on their island and we were living on the mainland. They might as well have been living on the moon until they came to the mainland. They “immigrated” to the mainland. They weren’t my problem on their island.

    So we agree that a large segment of “Hispanic immigrants” have higher crime rates. We agree that second generation Hispanics even from “good” cohorts have higher crime rates. And we agree that the Mexican cohort in the first generation is slightly higher if not that big a deal. And we agree that the Hispanic crime rate, especially in the second generation onwards, looks exactely like you would expect given the average IQ which is lower. And each subgroup of Latinos criminality matches exactely with average non-white DNA, especially if it’s African slave dna like from the Islands.

    So yes, Puerto Rican’s are immigrants that should t be here. And yes, Hispanics raise crime and will only get worse in following generations

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  399. @New Boethius

    If Mr. Unz would focus his graphs on the country where these people came from, he would run out of red ink as the death tolls depicted shoot off the charts. Mexico is a corrupt, violent environment where criminals operate with much more vicious and cunning methods, some of which we’re witnessing in our country as they congregate within our cities. Academics–especially the Ivy League variety– should stay in their classrooms, because the real world is quite frightening outside their universities, lecture halls and gated communities.

    Example: Watch the movie “Back to School”. The millionaire freshman tries to inform a professor of business administration about the realities of business owners dealing with corrupt city/county officials, union bosses, waste disposal companies, etc. We could place Mr. Unz in the role of that professor on this topic.

  400. wayfarer says:

    The Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI) obtained data showing that, from 2012 to 2016, there were “39 million instances where names and Social Security Numbers (SSNs) on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records. The group said the Obama Administration’s termination of no-match letters resulted in a “thriving black market where illegal aliens can obtain the Social Security numbers of U.S. citizens in order to gain employment.”

    source: https://www.numbersusa.com/news/study-over-39-million-ssn-no-matches-over-four-year-period

  401. ZOGged says:
    @Numinous

    Will India be OK if highly skilled Chinese working class foremen, electricians, builders and other infrastructure specialists immigrate to India and improve it’s extremely pathetic infrastructure (bad potholed roads that are built with not much planning, towns made in the most haphazard manner with not a whit for planning etc)? I do not think so:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102303956.html
    ” Fears of displacement

    The Chinese workers in labor-surplus India prompted an outcry last year, and India clamped down by making visa rules stricter. About 25,000 workers had to leave dozens of projects midway and return to China because they were on business visas and not worker visas. Construction at 14 power plants was affected.

    “We have no problems if . . . Chinese workers skilled in specialized functions come to India. We just don’t want them to displace Indian workers by doing the jobs that Indians can do,” said G. K. Pillai, India’s home secretary, who said there are a little over 15,000 Chinese laborers in India now. ”

    Even though India lags China by a yuuugeee margin when it comes to infrastructure (having visited both Beijing, New Delhi, Bangalore and Shenzhen I can attest to that)

    And they are smart. They want to keep the upper caste Hindu rule at the top even if it means slow growth and haphazard cities and failing roads. They do not want to be replaced

    Recently, 60 Chinese telecom experts visiting on the request of their Indian counterparts had to leave India as the government thought they were working on business visas (like what Infosys and TCS usually does with the B1 visa here):
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/60-chinese-experts-visiting-desi-mobile-company-told-to-leave-india/articleshow/67170389.cms

    They did this knowing all too well that they are miles behind China in telecom but that no big deal for the INdians. The status quo within the country is.

    If this was the USA, some shyster would have sued the USCIS on their behalf and got the deportation halted

    So keep that sanctimonious preaching to yourself Desi. Demographics is destiny and demograhics is king. Which is why countries like INdia and CHina are loathe to change it

    • Replies: @Numinous
  402. Ron Unz says:
    @KenH

    Even using the chart at the top of this article anyone can see that they really aren’t. In the 15-34 age bracket it looks like the white incarceration rates is 3000 per 100,000 while Hispanic incarceration rates are 4500 per 100,000 which is 50% higher than the white rate.

    Well, I think you might need to get a new pair of glasses since the bars on the chart don’t look anything like that to me. And digging out the old Excel spreadsheet used to produce it, the actual figures were 3338 and 3897, very substantially different from what you think you see.

    But there’s currently 3.5x more whites than Hispanics in the general population and when adjusted accordingly the Hispanic crime rate climbs to 15,750 per 100K…in Ron’s opinion, anti-immigration proponents are guilty of “ignorance and innumeracy”

    Well, if you’re actually saying what I think you’re saying, you’ve fully demonstrated my claim of “innumeracy”…

    • Replies: @KenH
  403. Ron Unz says:
    @Bob who thinks Ron Fkd in the head on this

    As a US citizen it is still perfectly reasonable to resent each and every crime committed by illegal immigrants of any and all races and ethnicities. These are all crimes the US population should not have had to endure as these people should not have been here.We resent each assault, rape, and murder…

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-alien-statistics

    Well, homicide is a pretty useful metric since reporting is close to 100%. And that Border Patrol crime-reporting webpage you provided listed an average of less than FIVE homicides per year by “criminal aliens.” Obviously, that’s just a small subset of the true national total, which is surely far higher. But given that we have 15,000 homicides per year, is that really the sort of evidence you want to provide demonstrating the great dangers of illegal immigrant crime?

    Maybe you should start focusing on a far greater danger to the lives and safety of ordinary white Americans, namely getting struck by lightning!

  404. The hill

    “As Americans, we should only care about three things: (1) are the immigrants in the U.S. illegally; (2) have they committed violent crimes predominantly against U.S. citizens; and (3) had these criminals not been in our country illegally, these crimes, the victimization of our citizens and the costs of their crimes borne by American taxpayers could have been completely avoided.”

    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

  405. Ron Unz says:
    @Asdf

    I don’t give a damn that they were given citizenship in 1917. They were living on their island and we were living on the mainland…So yes, Puerto Rican’s are immigrants that should t be here. And yes, Hispanics raise crime and will only get worse in following generations

    Well, since Puerto Ricans have crime rates so dramatically higher than most other Hispanics and their past bad behavior has personally brought distress to your own family’s NYC neighborhood, maybe that’s where you should focus your political energies: “Viva Puerto Rico Libre!”

  406. Ron Unz says:
    @Bob who thinks Ron Fkd in the head on this

    More illegal alien crime:
    https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txcriminalalienstatistics.htm

    Okay, that Texas report states that across most of a decade, “illegal criminal aliens” were convicted of homicide at an average rate of about 30/year.

    A quick check reveals that TX averages about 1,400 homicides per year. So illegals apparently account for around 2% of the total, probably substantially below their share of the TX population. And I’d guess that the number of ordinary white “stranger victims” is almost invisibly small.

    Seriously, why don’t you just find me the names of TEN ordinary white victims murdered in predatory crimes by illegals during all of 2018? There’s that Mollie somebody in Iowa who became a national sensation, so you just need to find 9 more…

  407. @Ron Unz

    Again you are back to focusing on irrelevant detail. We have both agreed the number of murders of US citizens by illegal aliens is greater than 0 but small relevant to the total number of murders in the US. From there you jump to nonsense cracks about lightning. Illegal aliens are not an act of god like lightning. We have enforced our border in the past, and what man has done he can aspire to. Walls & fences on a farm are good policy as are lightning rods. They help to mitigate known risk.

    Before you run on to more irrelevant detail Ron please do answer the prior question:

    Do we US citizens have a right to enforce the law we already have established?

  408. Before this drags on much longer, let me say thanks Ron for the Unz Review and your support of iSteve. I respect you immensely; your facts on Harvard admissions and willingness to put yourself out there are astonishing.

    Thanks
    Bob

  409. Thinking says:

    Fascinating! I never knew that about the 1965 act.

    Mr Unz, do you foresee immigration dropping from down south anyways as their own TFR plummets?

  410. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    Age adjusting Hispanic crime rates to get them down to white rates isn’t a realistic picture of Hispanic crime rates. What we have to live around are not age-adjusted Hispanics. Nor will it be the case in the foreseeable future if the ongoing trends continue as they keep streaming across the borders young, and their wives keep popping out 5 or 6 ‘young’uns’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  411. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    And digging out the old Excel spreadsheet used to produce it, the actual figures were 3338 and 3897, very substantially different from what you think you see.

    Well some of us don’t have the old Excel spreadsheet. Even at an approximately 17% higher incarceration per 100K it’s still not in our interest to bring people into this nation with higher crime and incarceration rates than native born whites. Most of the white Western world is insane, but no non-white nation would allow immigration from people with higher crime and incarceration rates than the natives.

    Jews and East Asians have lower crime rates than whites but most racially conscious whites would prefer they not be here for the simple reason that they aren’t us and are antagonistic to our group interests, especially the Jews.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  412. Tusk says:

    Ron, what do you say to those who oppose hispanic immigration not due to crime but due to cultural reasons? Perhaps an American citizen doesn’t want to see their neighbourhood change, maybe when they go to the shops or walk around in public they don’t want to hear people speaking Spanish instead of English? I know due to your history on bilingual education that you must not support segregation but instead assimilation, but if suburbs over the span of a few short decades go from 80% or so white to less than 50% is it not a fair belief to opppose hispanic migration period? Obviously this doesn’t necessarily reflect illegal immigration but I see your comments as saying ‘hispanics don’t commit as much crime ergo you shouldn’t be so against them’ and quite rightly the focus on illegal immigration detracts from the fact that a vast majority of immigration is legal and the cause behind these demographic changes.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  413. @Johnny Rico

    There is a very plausible theory about why this is the case that has nothing to do with ‘Hispanic’ behavior. Look into it.

    Let me guess– does it have to do with Jews? With “the rich”? With the women?

    Isn’t Texas worse than Mexico in every way? The state is run by Republicans and still uses the death penalty.

    So why is El Paso safe?

  414. @Tusk

    Frankly, I don’s see how this article goes against your particular point. All it says is that people who cite crime as the reason they are against Hispanic immigration are either misinformed or lying. It does not say anything about opposing Hispanic immigration for other reasons. You just have to be open about your reasons rather than covering them up with a fig leaf of concern about crime.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  415. Tusk says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I’m not saying it goes against my particular point, I agree with Ron’s findings but he has said on multiple occasions that his experiences of majority hispanic communities have always been wonderful. If we take crime off the table, is the demographic question a non-issue? Or is it still fair to oppose large migration of differing demograpics based on other factors? Just was curious as to Ron’s approach after removing the issue of crime/illegal immigration.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rurik
    , @AnonFromTN
  416. @Reg Cæsar

    The El Paso water supply has high levels of lithium.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  417. gregor says:
    @Sic Semper

    The numbers show that immigration under the 1924 law was low and almost entirely white and post-1965 it was much higher and mostly non-white. Practical minds therefore say the 1924 law worked well and the 1965 was a disaster (and of course the multiculturalists claim the opposite). Ron’s contrarian argument is purely hypothetical. He says the 1924 quotas did not apply to the Western Hemisphere and therefore theoretically we could have been flooded with Mexicans and Haitians at any time. But surely it counts for something that this did not actually happen under the 1924 law.

    https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table1

    In addition to the issues you mention I would add affirmative action. It’s one thing for native blacks. But it’s hard to think of anything more ridiculous than to import people from a neighboring country like Mexico and immediately give them preferential college admission, scholarships, etc. over native whites. The civil rights acts of the 60s also virtually eliminated the concept of freedom of association thereby requiring natives to accommodate whoever moves in.

  418. Ya have to relize that PC has a lot to do with this bizaro thinking. Its more poltically correct to attack “illegal immigration” then “legal immigration”. Black crime is a tabo that no one in poltics will toch with a 10 foot pole(honestly it would be counter productive to).

    The wall is mainly symbolic but it is a very fucking importantly symbolic. You know damn well if(when?) the Dems win in 2020 its going to be unlimited immigration now, unlimited immigration tommorow, unlimited immigration forever. And that would mean a one party Democrtic ascendancy and the end of the US of A.

  419. All of yall both the pros and anti ever do is rant about homicides. Shoot what about DWIs? I here something like 15 percent of all DWI fatal crashs involve illegals. Ya so much for being in the shadows.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  420. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    The current estimates are that there are approximately 30 million illegals in the US. As there are not 600 million total immigrants, illegal immigration is wayyy more than 5%. But it really doesn’t matter when illegals are more crime prone than other immigrants. Also the Hispanic/white crime rates are flawed because a lot of Hispanic crime is lumped into white crime rates. Steve had a hilarious example of this some time ago (either in an article or comments) of a link to current FBI most wanted list where nearly everyone was listed as white but blatantly Hispanic looking with names like Oscar Ramirez.

    • Replies: @republic
  421. Numinous says:
    @ZOGged

    So keep that sanctimonious preaching to yourself Desi. Demographics is destiny and demograhics is king. Which is why countries like INdia and CHina are loathe to change it

    I wasn’t preaching anything at all, but rather presenting a different interpretation of something Mr. Unz said. Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.

    And you are an idiot for throwing some incidents happening somewhere in India, and quotes made by some Indians, as if all that’s supposed to be on me. As if a country of a billion plus people can’t have a diversity of opinions.

    “Demograpics is destiny”: on the evidence of your writing here, your destiny doesn’t look too bright.

  422. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tusk

    Does crime matter? I don’t care if they are committing crime at 0% our rate. We the people are being erased. Our heritage, our achievements, our people. The past is being brown retroconned for the achievements, and anything negative from the past (whether real, highly exaggerated, or outright imagined) is being wielded as a weapon to justify what is being done and try to shame whites into accepting it. When that doesn’t work they doxx and destroy anyone who stands up against it or merely question the foundational logic. Name me any other people it is acceptable to treat this way. It technically falls under the definition of genocide.

    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Rurik
  423. Rurik says:
    @Tusk

    Or is it still fair to oppose large migration of differing demograpics based on other factors?

    First off, it appears that Mr. Unz is unopposed to tweaking of our immigration laws in order to suit the national collective, which is still, (however tenuously), putatively majority white.

    So I suppose that if you were to pin him down, he’d say that if America’s white folks want to impress upon their representatives to curtail further massive and transformational immigration, then go for it.

    But then there was the question of Proposition 187, which was the (conservative type, white) Californians last ditch effort to keep their state from being demographically overwhelmed by Hispanic immigrants, and Mr. Unz was very, very much opposed to the measure. Even suggesting that “No decent Californian should support it.”

    And yet it passed, only to be overturned by a tyrannical federal judge. So that today California is a one-party state with a dwindling white minority, and with all that will bode for the future.

    Right now this is sort of the debate of the century. It’s being hammered out in Europe just as it is in Canada and basically all white nations, who today’s zeitgeist is demanding they all open their gates to unlimited and transformational immigration of non-Westerners, or the PTB will call them ‘racists or Nazis’ until they do.

    So it’s perhaps telling that Mr. Unz is taking the opportunity at this time to make his case about Hispanic crime.

    It’s also telling how dismissive he is of the (very few!) murders suffered by white people due to illegal immigrants.

    “Sexual assaults like these are extremely rare in Palo Alto,” said Janine De la Vega, public affairs manager for the Palo Alto Police Department

    https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Woman-sexually-assaulted-on-Palo-Alto-street-13497860.php

    But to the woman and her boyfriend, I bet that experience was not something they ‘celebrated’.

    So yea, it doesn’t just boil down to murders (however brutal or involving rape), but there is a whole cultural and lifestyle transformation that roils before it gets to open hostilities and bloodshed on the streets. You grow up going to a local beach, and enjoying the company of people like yourself, who listen to the same kind of music and so forth, and then one day you go there and all you hear is loud Salsa music and you don’t recognize the place. No one was murdered, but you get steely-eyed glares from the young Hispanic men playing the obnoxiously loud music. And you know in your gut that you and your white, American family are no longer welcome there.

    I tried to make the case with Palestine, and show that the Jewish immigrants are arrested at a far fewer percentage than the indigenous Arabs, so that based purely on the metric of crime stats, the Arabs ought to be thrilled over the new state of affairs, but often aren’t, and are sullen, and I suppose, racist for not embracing the new diversity.

    So yea, it goes far, far deeper than crime stats, and if you try to pin Mr. Unz down, he’ll concede that immigration can have some potential negative aspects, and that if a state wants to control it, they should, but then there’s the issue of Prop 187, so I don’t know.

    What I’ve always put the different outlooks of someone like Mr. Unz and myself down to, is perspective. There is no ultimate truth in the universe, like a mathematical formula that can enlighten us as to the wisdom (or lack there of) – of having and maintaining a white majority in your state.

    It’s all boils down to perspective.

    If you’re a Mexican, you likely have a particular perspective.

    If you’re a white, Christian conservative whose ancestors have lived in the state for several generations, who’s fiscally responsible and hopes that your grandchildren will enjoy the kind of idyllic life you had living in California, then that’s just another perspective.

    If you’re a homosexual in San Francisco who loves brown young men and boys, or a white owner of a landscaping or construction business, then those are all very valid and real perspectives, just like the fecal judge who overturned the direct will of the electorate, he too has a perspective, and also the power to impose it.

    So life goes on, but it’s interesting and illuminating to have these discussions, no?

    And of course we all owe Mr. Unz a great debt, for having given us all an opportunity to have our little say.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  424. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    Name me any other people it is acceptable to treat this way.

    Palestinians

    Serbs in their former lands of Kosovo

    Zimbabwe’s white farmers

    South Africa’s white farmers

    Just as Paul Craig Roberts mentions in his new article

    People who are demonized, as blacks are doing to South African whites, and as Israelis have successfully done to Palestinians by convincing Americans that every Palestinian is a terrorist intent on murdering Jews, are set up for very bad things happening to them.

    http://www.unz.com/proberts/identity-politics-white-genocide/

    It all depends on perspective, and if your particular demographic is considered inconvenient to the agenda of the PTB, then brace yourselves.

    I watched a short video clip of ‘comedian’ John Oliver mocking some Eastern European nation (Slovakia I think) for resisting mass Muslim migrations by pointing out that they have no mosques, and Oliver did his best ‘hey you dumbasses, you can build the damn things! As if it was self-evident that this is exactly what must be done.

    When you’re slated for the trash heap of history by the PTB, then they will bring to bear the whole terrible power of their purse, and media and absolute domination of the governments of the West, to bring you to heal, and accept your fate as an evolutionary dead end. Soon to be extinct.

    And why not? What makes white people so gall darn great that they must persevere?

    What difference does it make if your landscaper or housekeeper is from the white trash trailer park or the Mexican trailer park?

    It’s all a question of who is on top, who is ascendant, and who will prevail, and that is what drives the evolutionary spirit in our DNA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  425. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    he’d say that if America’s white folks want to impress upon their representatives

    More like (((their))) representatives:

    H.R.221- Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism Act “ amends the State Department Basic Authorities Act of 1956 to monitor and combat anti-Semitism globally, and for other purposes.” It passed by a margin of 411 to 1 in a mere twelve minutes with only congressman Justin Amash voting “nay.”

  426. republic says:

    The US government and all its agencies purposely obscure the true numbers of Whites
    Living in the US.

    The police use it to decrease the numbers for non White criminals and to increase it for white criminals.

    In the US census, anyone from the Middle East and North Africa is counted as White.
    Jewish people are also counted as Whites.

    The 2020 census will not have a MENA category. It was proposed but was rejected by the census bureau

    Many of these criminal statistics cited in this article are therefore misleading to say the least.

    It is highly probable that such ambiguity is being done on purpose to prevent increased White nationalist awareness that would result if the true numbers were known.

  427. joef says:

    The problem is that Afro americans are currently acting as a social, criminal, and economic pestilence to this nation; and if not corrected will end in this country’s demise for everyone involved (including Blacks).

    We allowed afros to take almost infinite resources in the last 60 years, resulting in continued negative outcomes. We allow them to have unchecked behavior. The problem of illegal immigration, and terrorism, although detrimental, is no where near the current/past/future destructive output of the Afros. Within this nation, afros cost more, and harm more, than any other human subdivided group category, without question.

    Afros are the primary cause of this nations bringdown, yet it is ignored by all the leftist, limo libs, well meaning libs, neocons, corporatist, rino cuckservatives etc.
    You hear the same mirror image utopian drivel solutions from sophomoric socialist & libertarians (who are devoid of real world life experience, where most of their hardships in life occurred in cupcake land).

    But it comes down to this for our survival (how we feel about afros is irrelevant): either we hold afros accountable, and stop their bad behavior, or the afros do it themselves within their own community (and stop all this racial animosity nonsense). I don’t believe afros will do it themselves because they enjoy (addicted) living off the public largess (entitlements/welfare, and affirmative action), with no accountability.

    By the afros actions we should judge them. Thus, if this trend line continues eventually we will have a similar economic disaster of Venezuela, coupled with the violence of the Balkans. You can ignore it, but the trend line is there, towards this very unfortunate outcome. Preferred thinking will not protect you from this outcome.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  428. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Aside from Palestinians these are all whites. And Palestinians are not being required to go silently in the night. There’s pushback even in the West.

  429. joef says:

    Reading the above posts, I can’t help to notice the same tired libertarian/leftist drivel about having the largest incarceration rates in this country (as if all prisoners are as pure as the driven snow).

    They do have their point, where many things became unnecessarily criminalized, along with the endless drug war, and prosecutorial misconduct of pursuing PC acceptable white collar crimes over violent crimes.

    But living in cupcake land they have the luxury to pontificate from afar on this issue. Because if they were raised in an urban mixed neighborhood, where they had to avoid real violence at a very young age (such as getting stabbed, as opposed to a school yard fight in cupcake land, where nobody goes to the hospital), and knew numerous family, friends, neighbors, and acquaintances, who were victimized by real violence in the concrete jungle, they would not be putting this as such a high priority.

    If you lived near the hood, you would actually see the court system releasing the criminal scum back on the street again, to prey again. When you live in cupcake, its easy to pontificate from afar and indulge your favorite political fantasies.

  430. @Tusk

    I can’t vouch for Mr. Unz, but I am not saying that other reasons are not valid. Of course, they are. Even perfectly law-abiding Mexicans bring a different culture and worldview. Some aspects of it are ridiculous to a rational person of any color (e.g., their pretty common “Dias sabe” (God knows) attitude), or racism (most Mexicans are more racist than the majority of whites in the US), or sexism (their culture is distinctly macho). Others could be beneficial: I think I saw more bookstores in downtown Mexico City than there are in the whole of the US.

    From my perspective, the point Mr. Unz is making here is that crime is a red herring. Using false claims undermines the credibility of conservatives, just like widespread use of blatant lies by the Dems and affiliated media. I can name quite a few topics where their coverage is 100% lies, and many others where it is 90% lies, with the other 10% being truth twisted beyond recognition. To maintain moral high ground conservatives should not stoop to the lows of current “official” propaganda, which Germans correctly call lugenpresse (lying press). If you counter lies with lies, you are no better than your opponent.

    Even though I was not born in the US, I appreciate healthy American common sense, rejection of PC BS, and normal attitudes to many things, which are (unfortunately) now most noticeable in small towns in the middle of nowhere. Still, the American people with the common sense were numerous enough to throw the monkey wrench into the works of globalist Deep State and elect Trump, despite widespread voting for corrupt mad witch by the people who have no right to vote. So, there is hope. Yet it is a sad state of affairs when Trump appears the most reasonable politician in DC and when Fox News tells something approaching the truth more often than all the other TV networks put together.

    This country needs an organized anti-globalist common sense movement that can bring people that are not corrupt (beholden to the globalist big money interests) to power. Then someone smarter than Trump and with more stamina might get to the top. It is likely that Deep State traitors will assassinate that person, like JFK. There must be a team of these people, so that assassination of individuals does not kill the movement. I don’t think Reps are any better than Dems, the choice between Reps and Dems is a ruse. The whole Republicratic party is bought and paid for. Just look at Congress: pretty much every member should by rights be either in jail, or in a lunatic asylum. I don’t know how realistic this strategy is, though. But that’s the only way this country can be saved. Otherwise it will turn into a shithole. Then it won’t matter whether it is a majority white shithole or a majority non-white shithole.

    • Replies: @republic
  431. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian

    The US is not Magic Dirt. We have Puerto Rico and New Mexico as examples of what happens under an “American” hispanic majority. Yes, as the percentage of hispanics increase, the crime rate will align with Latin American averages just like Puerto Rico with its 20 per 100k homicide rate along with massive corruption and welfare use/fraud. New Mexico is ranked 3rd in worst in crime.

    The reality is that many, perhaps most, immigrants who come from corrupt countries bring their corrupt culture with them. Which is why immigrants from countries like the Dominican Republic, Pakistan, India, Cuba, Nigeria, China, Russia, Armenia are heavily involved in various frauds like Medicare/Medicaid, food stamp, insurance, identity theft, tax evasion, etc…

    The US once had a policy of Americanization of immigrants. With multiculturalism pushed by the left, that no longer exists. We need to be policing immigrants a heck of a lot more to ensure they are law abiding.

    Ron is completely wrong about the wall. There is no doubt that a massive migrant influx akin to what Europe experienced can and will happen. Central and South America has a total population of 620 million not to mention the hordes of migrants who fly in from Asia and Africa seeking a backdoor entry. A wall is working for Hungary, Israel, and Saudi Arabia in keeping out the unwanted. We need to do the same. Is it the complete solution? No, but mandatory E-Verify and widespread company audits don’t seem to be in the offing.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  432. @KenH

    I live and work in San Francisco. The South and East Asians are becoming just as bad as the Jews. The Indians may actually be worse. I seem to come across more conservative/right Jews than Indians (very, very few vs. zero, respectively). Right now they’re also on track to become more successful than the declining Jews.

    Low skilled Latin Americans under-perform by every metric: earning, test scores/IQ, government dependency – you name it. Even if their crime rates are exactly equal to Whites it makes no sense to import them. Especially with the most common working class job in the country – driver – soon being automated.

    Ron Unz keeps on hammering these crime statistics. Fine, Amerindians aren’t that criminal (many of us who deal with them regularly already knew this). But it does not matter. They’re low performing, anti-American and are turning this country into Mexico. No thanks.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @joef
  433. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Sorry, bud. ‘Lay back and think about what’s best for The Tribe’ ain’t in my playbook.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  434. @Gustavo CL

    This is definitely not the type of comment that eases white anger. In fact, the way in which you brush off the concerns of whites and basically tell them it is a good thing that they are being dispossessed has a way of stirring normally level-headed Saxons to hate. In case you haven’t noticed, Trump is not the end, he is only the beginning.

    • Replies: @Gustavo CL
  435. Ron Unz says:

    Well, we’re fast closing in on 500 comments, so I might as well add an additional point about “media bias”…

    As everyone here knows, the “MSM Megaphone” generally trumpets or ignores crimes based on PC-type principles. For example, the story of that little black girl killed in Houston was well on its way to becoming the #1 worldwide crime story until they discovered that instead of some “white racist,” her killers were just the usual sort of violent black gangsters.

    But the same problem is exactly true about the conservative media.

    For example, a few days ago an attractive young 22-year-old second-generation policewoman was brutally assassinated in the college-town of Davis, CA, the first killing of a police officer there in 60 years. She was standing on the street, taking information on a minor car accident when her assailant came up to her, shot her once for no reason, then emptied his gun into her as she lay on the street. He had a long police record, and also clearly had serious psychological problems.

    If she had been white and her killer Hispanic, let alone an illegal immigrant, it would have spent many weeks as the #1 story on FoxNews and every other rightwing media outlet, with Trump making it the centerpiece of all his speeches and Tweets.

    But as it happened, she was Hispanic and her killer white, so probably nobody outside of Northern california has ever heard of it.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article224336545.html

    Basically, conservative news outlets are just as dishonest as the liberal ones, but simply less powerful and pervasive in their influence…

  436. republic says:
    @AnonFromTN

    re: Others could be beneficial: I think I saw more bookstores in downtown Mexico City than there are in the whole of the US.

    Mexico has a very low reading rate, probably the lowest among all countries in the OECD

    see NYT article, May 5, 2013

    The country that stopped reading

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  437. @anarcocapitalist

    The El Paso water supply has high levels of lithium.

    So the batteries last longer? And they don’t go out and murder someone when the boom box dies?

  438. @republic

    If I wanted to name the country that stopped reading, the US would come first to my mind. Maybe my living in Nashville influences that, as I remember that Philadelphia and Phoenix had more bookstores. But there were few even there, compared to other kinds of stores.

    BTW, practically everything NYT publishes is a lie. So, if they call something white, you could be sure that it’s black.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  439. @Ron Unz

    Sure again your right. Though there is not parity between the former and the latter. The MSM has a vastly bigger footprint. It is much like your other points about the immigration law detail and Hispanic crime rate detail in that none of it addresses the fundamental question.

    Do we US citizens have a right to enforce the law we already have established? The progressives do not accept that we do. The donor class of both parties do not accept that we do. The masses of illegal aliens currently in the US and those that wish to come do not accept that we do. The MSM do not accept that we do. The universities with some small exceptions do not accept that we do. Ron is silent.

    Trump said we do and he would get the wall built to prove it. It was one of the keys that got us deplorable bitter clingers out there. If he succeeds he will join the pantheon of the great with Washington, Lincoln, TR, Reagan. If he fails in this he joins Carter at the bottom compounded with the ignominious stink and taint of Nixon’s resignation as the progressives hound him out.

    We never were confused. We always knew he is a flawed man, but he did not hate us and he knew the nation we aspire to and its past and potential future greatness. Pray god that he rises above his flaws and succeeds.

  440. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    Sorry, bud. ‘Lay back and think about what’s best for The Tribe’ ain’t in my playbook.

    well ‘bud’,

    I’m simply pointing out that the reason so many people (Democrats, the progressive left, media, etc..) seem to be insane on the matter of immigration, is due to their respective agendas, that’s all.

    It’s simply the world we all live in. Whether it’s in your ‘playbook’, or not.

    So as you’re beating your head against the wall, looking out for the good ol’ US of A, the respective tribes (and races and LGBTs and business interests, etc..) are going to clean your clock, looking out for their own narrow agendas.

    Whitey has one chance and once hope. Either start agitating unabashedly for your collective interests, or watch as those that are, marginalize and eventually replace you.

  441. @AnonFromTN

    That’s untrue! Children from grade school age are ‘reading’ about the Holocaust, or books like “Daddy’s New Roommate”. I’m surprised ALGORE’s creations about Global Warming aren’t required for 4th graders to read, or “It Takes a Village”. Kids today are indoctrinated on all kinds of Liberal Mandated subjects. Maybe they need a little help with the big words……

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Anonymous
  442. @joef

    Perhaps you’re correct, but I must add that the bulk of criminal activity occurring in America is conducted by parolees. Pedigrees aside, those people leave jails not as rehabilitated, motivated, productive citizens, they’re actually better crooks. During their jail terms, they learn all about the Criminal Justice System, and how to outwit police, judges, juries and other crooks. Moonbeam unleashed a whole bunch of convicts from prisons, citing overcrowding issues–he also restored their voting rights… Now, California crime rates are soaring (Though the Jewish Liberal media does their best to massage those figures.) As long as these Palo Alto elites hold up within their ivy-covered wall, surveillance camera surrounded, armed guarded, actively police patrolled hamlets, they’ll not have to deal with such environments. Well, perhaps not the darker skinned variety of miscreants…..

  443. KenH says:

    …very similar to my own California estimates, an important result since California by itself contains a substantial fraction of America’s entire Hispanic population; a 2018 PPIC follow-up study provided roughly similar results.

    Whatever Ron’s estimates the link shows the white incarceration rate of 428 per 100K and the hispanic rate is 1028 per 100K, or almost 250% higher than the white rate. That’s not exactly incarceration parity. Although still four times less than the black rate per 100k it’s an eye popper when compared to the white rate which is probably inflated slightly since Middle Easterners, Afghans and Armenians are likely being lumped in with the whites.

    And as far as I know the vast majority of hispanics in the golden state hail from Mexico. Not the caribbean and they’re not the vicious hispanics of Greenland either.

    The great thing about California is that whites and hispanics are almost the same percentage of the general population so you don’t have to make any adjustments for population percentage variance to determine the real story. California is very important because it’s a bellwether for what will become of the rest of the nation as hispanics reach 40% and parity with whites in the general population throughout other states.

    The other bellwether is Texas where whites are a plurality of about 42% of the population while hispanics are 39.5%. As of 2010 hispanics had almost the same incarceration rate per 100K as hispanics in California. In Texas it’s 972 per 100K while Cali was 1028 per 100K. Talk about a coincidence. Even the hispanic majority Mayberry of El Paso didn’t bring that rate down much below the California rate:
    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/TX.html

    The Texas white rate of 768 per 100K seems much higher than the national average and an outlier compared to the white population of most other states. Florida’s probably another outlier for whites. Must be the proximity to the sun.

    We’re told that hispanic majority cities are rather placid contrary to what those screaming meemies and
    innumerate nuts on the white supremo-cist right claim. Just don’t look at Salinas, CA and San Bernadino, CA which are the 9th and 18th most murderous cities in America, respectively. Neither have black populations exceeding 8% (Salinas is only around 2% black), so no excuses.

    Then you have Hartford, CT at 8th with an hispanic plurality of 44.5% but that doesn’t count because those are probably caribbean hispanics and they do have a black population of 38%:
    https://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/collection_5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html#14

    Albuquerque, NM is the 20th most dangerous city in America and they have an hispanic population 1-2 tacos shy of 50%.

    Then there’s the countless anecdotes and stories I’ve heard over the years from people of how when hispanics arrive in substantial numbers the quality of life goes down. People don’t speak English, there’s a drug and gang problem they never used to have and it feels more like Mexico or El Salvador than Mayberry.

    Hispanics aren’t an inherently bad or evil people and yes in most cases their crime rates are nothing like the malt liquor people. But they’re never going to replicate Norman Rockwell’s America regardless of what the Wizard of Unz tells us.

    So if you want to gamble with hispanics you might get El Paso or East Palo Alto if you’re lucky. Then again you might get Salinas, San Bernardino, Albuquerque or Miami.

    Just remember that the house always wins.

  444. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    While we’re on the topic of adjusting the numbers, we should also consider the very important topic of WHO they target. Is it like the situation with blacks where they preferentially target whites when whites are around? As lopsided as the numbers are for blacks and whites crime rates per capita , they’re even more wildly lopsided when it comes to interracial crime. Something on the order of 64fold higher in general and for some categories like rape, its> 100 fold. I’m sure there are all kinds of Occam’s butter knife explanations for why that is but they matter little- it’s the result we have to live with and whites are right to be extra concerned about risk in higher black areas. Now, I’m not suggesting that the Hispanic to white interracial (inter ethnic?) crime rates are close to black/white disparity rates, but it seems highly likely there is a significant disparity, no doubt encouraged from the libtard left who view such things as ‘justice’, but nevertheless it exists. And to the extent it does, if you’re white you should view Hispanics with a higher level of caution because of it, and think twice about the government allowing them in, giving them benefits ( which encourages them to stay) and promoting blame whitey identity politics.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  445. @Anonymous

    Exactly. These graph-displaying academics have to “Walk the Walk” with the people they defend. All they’re doing is lumping Hispanics and Blacks into a liberal voting block as ‘victims’ of hate and prejudice, while they triple-lock their doors, and park their Beamers in well lighted, guarded lots.

  446. @David Baker

    Thing is, they are not reading. They are being indoctrinated, but many of them never touch a real book, even books spewing PC BS.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  447. KenH says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    The South and East Asians are becoming just as bad as the Jews.

    That’s interesting. I know people who live around Minneapolis and they don’t have very nice things to say about the Hmong population and not all Asian groups are industrious and hardworking.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  448. @AnonFromTN

    I guess computers are now in vogue. I’m kind of a Luddite on that topic. It surprises me to watch little kids deftly tapping cellphone symbols and keyboards to peruse information from the WWW. I can barely get my old HP PC spooled up for a game session. I was actually a CSRO (Computer Systems Requirement Officer) for the LGT Directorate at a military base. But that was back when Pentium Processors were all the rage, and ALPS Printers were connected to our Desktops.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  449. joef says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    It all comes down to destruction. Do I bother putting out a camp fire when an inferno is upon me. Afro americans by far commit the greatest amount of social/economic/criminal destruction upon all other residents of this nation. Let me rephrase that: afros cause more damage upon this country than all other categorized groups combined.

    Talking about any potential pitfalls of other groups is nothing as compared to the wanton destructiveness of the afros. Thus, in my humble opinion, all the rhetoric regarding illegals, and terrorists, is mere distraction as compared to the afro problem [as if we stopped talking about the afro problem ii will all go away, while it has been doing nothing but getting steadily worse]. And since collectively we refuse to confront the afro problem now, will only cause us to be forced to confront the afro caused devastation later.

    Excessive misappropriation of priorities here is like insulating a home which is rotted by a termite (afro) infestation. We only have three choices here: ignore the afro problem at all our detriments, force the afros to conform to civilized standards, or the afros reform themselves (and based on past continued afro demands, I don’t think that is going to happen anytime soon).

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  450. @David Baker

    I use computers at work and at home, but I do actually read books. From my perspective, the experience of holding a physical book in your hands is special. I don’t like the fact that too many youngsters in the US never read: surfing the web is not reading. I see the consequences of this: when our grad students hand in their exams, it is hard to tell who is a native speaker and who is fresh from China: their verbal skills are equally awful. Often times Chinese grad students do better job than their American classmates. Too many American-born grad students mix up “elicit” and “illicit”, “principal” and “principle”, etc. Not to mention their awkward, often mangled, grammar. The smartest ones apparently read, though, as they can express themselves in writing. But these are maybe 20% of grad students, which would translate into fewer than 1% of the population. Sad.

  451. @KenH

    Fancy Asians v Jungle Asians.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  452. @joef

    I don’t necessarily disagree with you. However, this reminds me of a leftist argument I hear often in regards to immigration: “but what about all of the under-performing native-born White Americans.” The answer is simple: we have a moral and legal obligation to those already citizens, but with immigration policy we have a choice of whom we let in and whom we don’t.

    Many from various places on the right spectrum see Blacks as intractable but also of our own making: they’re not immigrants and have been here longer than most Whites – they’re our problem that we created (eg “if only the colonists picked their own damn cotton”). The most obvious solution is a separate nation for Blacks and that has been advocated, at least in private, by many presidents and others since our founding. That’s what I would – or at least anonymously – advocate. I advocate a homeland for everyone. It doesn’t have to be 100% White (or whatever), but enough to quell our current multicultural unrest.

    I do agree with you that Blacks are a degree different from other non-Whites. A White country that’s 20% Mestizo or 20% Korean or whatever is probably workable. Not ideal, but workable. A White country that is, hypothetically, 20% pure Black Africans is not. A small Mestizo minority will be somewhat submissive and obedient, a Korean minority will reach parity with Whites and even intermarry, a Black minority – intractable. Always and everywhere across time and space. Unless you intermix them out of existence like the Arabs (and lower your group IQ in the process).

    We recently moved on the company dime. The moving company hired three median ghetto Blacks for the job (not the light-skinned kind). (Keep in mind I spent middle school through high school on the border of a Black neighborhood and in half Black schools). I would need more than a paragraph to fully describe how horrible they were, and all they had to do was drive a truck and move boxes. They almost got in a fight with each other. I know these people well from experience, and that’s why I have avoided them since graduating high school and leaving for college. In the midst of all this I thought: boy, what I wouldn’t give for three smiling Mexicans as movers. “Si senior!” I suspect this same reasoning is behind the elite’s support for mass immigration (Ron has covered this exact point in a previous article). It’s all relative, I suppose.

    Anyways, stopping immigration is a lot easier than creating White and Black ethnostates. It’s the logical first step.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @joef
    , @KenH
  453. FvS says:
    @Ron Unz

    She is at the very least a castizo. She looks to be very high percentage European caucasoid and might actually qualify as a white Hispanic.

  454. Nah

    The solution is simple and comparatively easy to sell to GOP red state folks :

    Build an Israeli style Southern border wall. Also implement Israel, Japan, Swiss type legal immigration laws/policies .

    Attractive Eastern European women from places like Ukraine willing to cook, clean and maybe have sex and procreate with us Anglos guys – they can come….

    Also some whiter more European women from Venezuela- they can come .

    Sexual grooming gangs from Pakistan , Somalians with Ebola , anybody working with Doctors Without Borders , hip hop rap musicians NO

  455. FvS says:

    Walls work. 25 billion is peanuts. But it is only one step out of many towards vastly restricting all immigration, legal and illegal.

    • Replies: @Anarcho-Supremacist
  456. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    A White country that’s 20% Mestizo or 20% Korean or whatever is probably workable. Not ideal, but workable. A White country that is, hypothetically, 20% pure Black Africans is not.

    Well, that’s an interesting perspective. You do realize that prior to the huge wave of recent immigration, Los Angeles was almost 20% black and certainly would have crossed that threshold? Here’s my demography/crime chart for Los Angeles from my Hispanic Crime article:

    Today’s homicide rate in LA has declined by almost 80% from 1980, something which probably matters quite a bit to someone like Steve who still lives there.

    Incidentally, I think it’s also reasonably likely that the entire country would have reached the 20% black level, though it might have taken a bit longer…

  457. @Ron Unz

    MR UNZ

    The real decrease in black crime since the eighties has probably been due to the Three Strikes Laws and mandatory sentencing. Also, the whole crack epidemic.

    White crime has decreased since the 1950’s because ethnic mafias are a thing of the past. The Gangster Squad days of Jewish, Italian and Irish gangsters like Cohen and Bulger battling out are now gone. RICO also wiped out the bikers.

    Hispanic gangs have driven the blacks out of the drug business. They had more money and guns and a good many black gangs have just disappeared.

  458. @Anonymous Jew

    ANONYMOUS

    It is actually an instance of East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese) vs. Austronesian (Hmong, Cambodian, Filipino).

    There is a reason why ethnic Chinese run the economies of Cambodia and the Philippines. Hmong are Austronesian from the mountains of Laos and Cambodia.

    It is no surprise that they, or Cambodians or Filipinos, will be more likely to end up in street gangs in bad US neighborhoods than East Asians.

  459. Yeah OK – sounds reasonable.

    But here are some very unreasonable things:

    The Catholic Pope Liberation Theology, Rolling Stone Magazine cover boy pro Muslim Pope demands Europe must accept unlimited numbers of Muslim and Black African migrants …. just not in to Vatican City

    The Black Congressional Caucus , LaRaza, CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal Robert Bartley agree – we must have open borders and accept the entire populations of Pakistan, Haiti, Somalia and El Salvador – anybody that disagrees is a racist NAZI or else someone that doesn t understand free market economics.

    Understand we re dealing with enemies that are working to bring the entire population of the thrift world to our world.

    This is Jean Respail s Camp of the Saints

  460. @Ron Unz

    Yes, and racial tensions were high and Blacks were largely segregated. Like I said, intractable. I spent my adolescence on the border between a White and Black neighborhood (literally 3 houses down from the border street). I currently live in a San Francisco neighborhood that’s split between Asians (mostly “Fancy”) and Whites. It’s not Mayberry, and I would still prefer the all-White small town where I spent much of my childhood and summers, but all in all the neighborhood is pleasant and relations are amicable. I can’t see comparable racial harmony in a neighborhood split between the bottom 90% of the Black population and Whites. Maybe not even the bottom 95%. The parents, maybe, but regression to the mean creates some nasty teenagers.

    Is there a place or country with a sizable, unmixed Black population that does not have significant racial tension/conflict?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  461. Hategraphs says: • Website

    Just spitballing a few ideas of ways your hispanic crime methodology may be flawed, because it’s a rather extraordinary claim that clashes with IQ data and the worldwide distribution of crime rates.

    1. Because of immigration status, Hispanics are probably much more likely than whites to be federally prosecuted IN LIEU of state/local prosecution. This would artificially deflate hispanic crime rates at the state & local level. So excluding federal prisons may bias the data as much as including them.

    I suggest using NCVS instead.

    2. The age adjustment is very crude. Teenagers under 18 commit a huge amount of crime, but are not accounted for. You really need to do an integral over the population structure.

    3. Lots of hispanics identify as white. I wouldn’t take it for granted that the white category in any set of statistics is only non-hispanic whites.

    4. The white category has been diluted with people from southern/eastern europe where crime rates are much higher than in northern/western europe (probably partly genetic). It would be interesting to include comparisons to Anglo-americans, Norweigan-Americans, etc.

  462. Ron Unz says:
    @Chmmr

    12 Americans killed by illegals in 2018:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/02/in-memoriam-12-americans-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-aliens-in-2018/

    Excellent! Upthread, I had once again repeated my regular challenge:

    I challenge you to find just TEN cases during all of 2018 in which an ordinary, middle-class, law-abiding white person was murdered in a “street crime” by an illegal. This excludes wives stabbing husbands, drug dealers shooting each other, and that sort of thing. If there are 11M illegals and 15K homicides and you can’t find TEN during an entire year by sifting the archives of Breitbart and Daily Stormer, maybe you should stop watching FoxNews so much.

    Given the enormous efforts Breitbart surely put into this project, I’d think they looked far and wide and found every single notable homicide by illegals during 2018…but apparently there were almost none.

    There’s that Mollie somebody in Iowa and some poor guy killed in Visalia, CA, but that’s just about it. There was some (seemingly part-white) girl killed by her boyfriend, and a couple of doubtful cases, probably criminals killed by other criminals. So the 2018 total is probably TWO, though maybe a little higher than that.

    Given 11M illegals and 15,000 annual homicides, that’s pretty astonishing…especially if you foolishly believe that illegals have high crime rates.

    All of you should focus your energies on the far greater danger of ordinary white Americans getting hit by lightning…

  463. @FvS

    Ironicly Ron Unz suported buliding an Israeli border wall in the early 2000s

  464. @Ron Unz

    All of yall are still obsessed with homicides. What about DWIs and reckless driving? Illegals are disproportionately resposable for those. And shoot vilolent crime is overated. Homicides may be way down but property crime is still way above early 60s levels.

    I will throw you a bone Unz, your data includes all “hispanics” so argubly illegals are disportinatly very low but shit why tolerate average when you can get Asian levels?

    • Replies: @FvS
  465. republic says:
    @Ron Unz

    see my reply #368

    Shows increase in Hispanic population in Los Angeles and a declining murder clearance rate from 1970-to today

  466. @Ron Unz

    I am at a loss in understanding Ron’s focus on the specific number or rates here. He seems to think there is some low number where these crimes would be acceptable and should be tolerated. I don’t see any acceptably low threshold for assaults, rapes, and murders committed by people who should not be here.

    It is a very straight forward equation. People who do not belong here that are not here do not commit crimes here. His tolerance for some number of assaults, rapes, and murders as justified by him because they mostly are not committed against whites who are strangers to the perpetrators befuddles me, and again leaves me with the conclusion that Cochran is right on some things Ron is just crazy.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  467. Ron’s logic implies that so long as they are less likely to murder me than my own three children I should allow squatters to move into my home. It is insane.

  468. FvS says:
    @Anarcho-Supremacist

    What about DWIs and reckless driving?

    The only category where they actually beat out blacks.

  469. joef says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    You make good points.

    Many from various places on the right spectrum see Blacks as intractable but also of our own making: they’re not immigrants and have been here longer than most Whites – they’re our problem that we created (eg “if only the colonists picked their own damn cotton”). The most obvious solution is a separate nation for Blacks and that has been advocated, at least in private, by many presidents and others since our founding. That’s what I would – or at least anonymously – advocate. I advocate a homeland for everyone. It doesn’t have to be 100% White (or whatever), but enough to quell our current multicultural unrest.

    However at what point do we cut our losses. To make full disclosure of my own biases, I am not an alt right guy, nor a White nationalist (although they make some very accurate descriptions of the problem, that others are unwilling to make); My point of view is basically paleocon. Now I agree that the afro american problem is not totally of their own making. That there was much element of clever leftist manipulation of the afro in this country.

    I get that fine. But if you lived among them in close proximity of their natural urban ghetto habitat, with more interactions than most people would care for, you would realize immediately that afro hostile resentment towards the rest of the culture is a force that cannot be pacified, nor reasoned with. And this is when we been fawning over them for the last half century!

    I do not like our immigration laws being flouted; I don’t like that limo libs/corporatist/globalist/neocons that are using h1b visas to push down skilled wages either. But again what is worse a failed headlight, or a failed transmission; which gets the greater, more immediate, priority?

    For some the destructive potential of afros must be witnessed before believed. And it is not just violence, but filth of afro neighborhoods that is astonishing. I grew up in a mixed urban neighborhood, which contained many Italians, Irish, Polish, Germans, Portuguese, Jews, and Puerto Ricans. Although some actors could be violent, and or criminal, none of them compared to the reckless disregard of using unprovoked extreme violence in a casual way as afros (however afros do like easy targets).

    Like I said in a previous post, my feelings about afros is immaterial. I just merely recognize what they do (the destruction they cause), and make efforts to protect myself from it. If I am in the wilderness, I do not despise the predator personally, however I will kill it if necessary to protect life. The preference is that afros stop being the useful idiots of their leftist handlers, and reform themselves. But how long do we collectively ignore our biggest problem ( an unsustainable problem I may add)?

  470. BCB232 says:

    Mr. Unz presents a very interesting case. I would assume that the right-winger responsible for our (far right) understanding of the 1965 immigration act is the late Lawrence Auster whose work on this topic was done in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
    Last night, Tucker Carlson stated that Mexico has twice as many murders as the U.S. with a population half our size. I don’t know if he’s correct and that’s for Mexico not Mexicans living in the U.S.

    Still, it could suggest a violent crime rate 4 times that of American and that includes black America. Perhaps this is a better way of looking at the issue. What is the crime rate of the population our immigrants are being drawn from? That way there is no confusion about whether or not they are counted as “white” or whether their crimes inflate the white U.S. crime rate, or looking a local city statistics, anecdotes, etc.

    At the anecdotal level, in my area (Florida) Immokalee and Indian Town are the mestizo (not Carribean) immigrant towns. Both have significantly higher property and violent crime. Also, my wife has been cat-called and hit-on by mestizo men in public multiple times despite being in her 40’s, conservatively dressed, pregnant and with multiple young children with her!! So we have not had great experiences with mestizo men.

    Someone above said this. I think there is anxiety by white Americans over the impression they are losing their country (the Democrats sometimes say this explicitly and they are probably correct). Part of this is cultural (PC, war on Christmas, changes in moral values) and part of this is in-your-face demographic change. I think Trump, Fox News etc. attack illegal immigration because it is (relatively easy) in the PC climate compared to arguing against the browning of America which requires one to take a somewhat racialist stance which is radioactive in the current climate.
    Thank you for considering my remarks.

  471. Ron Unz says:
    @Bob who thinks Ron Fkd in the head on this

    I am at a loss in understanding Ron’s focus on the specific number or rates here… and again leaves me with the conclusion that Cochran is right on some things Ron is just crazy.

    Well, look. If you and your friends want to rant and rave about Hispanic immigrant crime when the data shows it’s not really all that much of a problem, you just come across like crazy nutjobs to normal people.

    Here’s a piece of friendly advice. When you look like crazy nutjobs and your political opponents totally control the media, you tend to lose political battles.

    I assume you’re some sort of WN-type horrified about non-white immigration. You and your friends have been ranting and raving about immigration for around twenty-five years now, and I’d say your record of political defeat during that period is just about 100%. As a consequence, something close to 25 million(!) additional non-white immigrants have permanently moved to the U.S.

    Given that 25 year record of absolutely unbroken failure, don’t you think that maybe you should consider trying something a little different?…

  472. Chmmr says:

    I think @Ron Unz has the right idea. It would be more prudent to try and get cuts to legal immigration instead. Illegal immigration across the border is past its peak anyway

  473. joef says:
    @Ron Unz

    Incidentally, I think it’s also reasonably likely that the entire country would have reached the 20% black level,

    But first a response to people who responded to you:
    No matter what major city you live in, realistically there will be violent crime at some level. I do not think Mr Unz is saying its acceptable, as much as, even if all White, some level of violent crime exists. [ this brings me back to why the utopian thinking that libertarians, and socialist profess (mirror image utopians of each other), is so flawed: they always try to force reality to conform to their utopian opinions].

    Out of all the areas I walked through in NYC, and Philadelphia, neighborhoods in the 70s 80s and 90s (very high urban crime era), there was never the same level of threat in a exclusive Hispanic area, or poor White area, as there was in an afro american neighborhood. The level of filth & decay did not reach the same level either. Now I am not a hater of afros: if they stopped their rampant antisocial & violent behavior, I would never criticize them.

    However, they cause an unmanageable level of unsustainable degradation upon this nation, that no other groups can possibly compare. Every area where afros make up a high percentage of population is decayed, bankrupted, and violent. It is pollyannaish to believe that continued fawning on them will produce positive results. That is why if afros increase the size of their population, relative to the rest of the population, and do’t change their negative ways, will be this nation’s endgame.

    And it will be a very violent end game too

    • Replies: @David Baker
  474. wraith67 says:

    It’s nice to know that the Hispanics aren’t committing crime to the extent that blacks are. It’s irrelevant. I live in Southeast Arizona, the signs warning Americans to stay out of parts of America because of the chance to run into drug and human smugglers are real. Border patrol here (15 miles in) have to walk around with M4 rifles. The local radio station reports on people getting busted trying to smuggle hundreds of pounds of through the border on a daily basis. It’s outrageous.

  475. @joef

    Any ghetto will have criminal elements. The insular nature of immigrants prevents their revealing such activity to police or people of other races. The threat of retaliation is a palpable deterrent. I witnessed this activity first hand. Mexicans are a people who live under threat in their country. Drug lords, gangs, corrupt police and politicians keep the populations from gaining ground against their criminal enterprises, while they conduct their operations openly. Once those people reach our country, they’ll endeavor to establish similar conditions. The neighborhoods you walked through contained residents living in fear of their gangs and other criminals. Cleanliness may be your measure of a ghetto containing law abiding citizens, but their less-than-sterling crime syndicates would have taken you out if you had stumbled across their drug deals, burglaries, gang kills or other illicit activities.

    • Replies: @joef
  476. @Ron Unz

    Yes, Ron I am well aware of the disdain and hate held out for me and mine, by the progressive elites and their “coalition of the fringes” © iSteve, by the donor class of both parties, by the illegal aliens currently in the US and those that wish to come, by the MSM and the universities. At this point labels like Deplorable, Bitter Clinger, and Crazy Nutjob can only be seen as a badges of honor.

    I take a Razib like exception to the WN label as it has a more specific meaning that is generally accepted and certainly does not reflect my beliefs. I would hold my own beliefs out as having influence from primarily my own republican small business owner father followed by Heinlein/Asimov/Clarke, Pournelle->Kirk, Buchanan, iSteve, Steve Hsu. There are certainly many who would brand the WN label on any or all of those, but anyone who does is either unserious, a dishonest liar, lazy, or crazy, and is beyond having a rational conversation with. I hold out Reagan as the sole great politician of my lifetime. It is like your previous statement that I have been “taken in by a ridiculous hoax”. In both cases you give no context. Without such reference it is impossible to refute, and so I must conclude only insult & dismissal intended.

    With respect to “trying something a little different”, good god we elected Trump what could we possibly try more different than that?

    Do we US citizens have a right to enforce the law we already have established? The progressives do not accept that we do. The donor class of both parties do not accept that we do. The masses of illegal aliens currently in the US and those that wish to come do not accept that we do. The MSM do not accept that we do. The universities with some small exceptions do not accept that we do. Ron is silent.

    • Replies: @David Baker
    , @KenH
  477. Ron Unz says:
    @Anarcho-Supremacist

    All of yall both the pros and anti ever do is rant about homicides. Shoot what about DWIs? I here something like 15 percent of all DWI fatal crashs involve illegals.

    That seems awfully high to me—do you have any references?

    I’ve always suspected that the intense focus of anti-immigration activists on drunk-driving crashes by illegals was mostly because they had such an astonishingly hard time finding cases of homicide. But maybe I’m wrong.

    It wouldn’t totally surprise me if Hispanics or illegals have much higher rates of DUI than whites even after adjusting for age, so maybe they do. But then again, maybe they don’t…

    • Replies: @Anarcho-Supremacist
  478. @Bob who thinks Ron Fkd in the head on this

    The laws Jews want to be enforced are promulgated by their ilk: Hate Crime Laws, Anti-Revisionist Resolutions passed by the U.N., Anti-Israel Boycott Statutes, laws forbidding the blocking of Abortion Offices (The tribe is big on abortions), laws requiring the removal of Religious Symbols and Practices, References or Influences from public venues (While that 40 foot Menorah is set up on the White House Lawn, and our leaders journey to Jerusalem to bang their heads on the Wailing Wall….) Any other inconvenient statutes will be ignored, or characterized as an application of “Hate” by White Nationalists against their camp followers. (No pun intended.)

  479. @Anon

    Mister Diss…We know that you particularly are not fond of the Jooos, but can you kindly put up any credible links showing that the corrupted pump-metering/scale-fixing in LA gas stations screwing buyers out of 10% of their nominal purchase is pervasive; is mostly a Joooo thing (as you imply); and is likely to remain uncorrected throughout your entire lifetime? Isn’t there a Calif state agency which regularly inspects and measures commercial scales and metering, and are they too infiltrated by these slimeball Joooos?

  480. @David Baker

    There are things I have problems with some or some specific subsets of US Jewish citizens about. Such as the Jewish over representation (roughly 50% of all white admits thanks for the numbers Ron) at elite universities. That subset that put Israeli interest before US interest. Ron when he bangs on about Hispanic crime rates and crime stat specifics as justification for maintaining the status quo on illegal immigration. Please do not confuse that for a problem with Jews collectively. The kind nutty local Rabbi lady that is one of the few I directly know is a perfectly nice person as are the vast majority. I find this true of all races and ethnicities.

    • Replies: @David Baker
  481. @Bob who thinks Ron Fkd in the head on this

    You’ve managed to delineate the tribe on the basis of their citizenship status: Jews are Diaspora. They’re Dual Citizens wherever they ‘set up shop’. EVERY ONE OF THEM! Their behavior has no bearing on that status. Israel was established as a Safe House for Jews to seek refuge. If you wish to study the reasons why they need(ed) to seek refuge, read about the Bolsheviks. Look into World War I (Or the sequel, for that matter..) Pre-Hitler Germany, Spain, Italy, now Russia, France and several other nations from which they are getting–or have gotten- the boot. Soros shines like a beacon as a Diaspora Globalist. Macedonians demonstrated the historical reaction of many goyim toward that tribe.

  482. Thomm says:

    Now, in quasi-defense of RUnzie Baby, the question of Hispanic (specifically Meso-American Hispanic) crime is almost a moot question, partly due to the very high intermarriage rates between Mexicans and whites in America.

    These charts are from 2010-15 data. Fast forward to today, and each state is probably 3-4 percentage points higher than in the chart, making CA 25%+.

    The two populations are substantially merged, and are becoming more so each year. If crime is done by males aged 16-25, the babies born in 2010-15 are not too many years away from being in that age band (with more to follow).

    Among other points :

    i) The narrative that whites are ‘vanishing’ from California would greatly diminish if all the half-white children are counted. Since most of the 22% of babies that are interracial as of 2015 in CA are half-white, counting the half-white components of each leads to a higher number of aggregate whites in CA.
    ii) As the typical Mexican is 40% white, the offspring of a Mexican and a white American is going to be 70% white, 30% AmerIndian. Appearance-wise, such a person would just look like an Italian or a Univision Spaniard-Mexican.
    iii) If not the the continuous topping of of new Hispanics and Asians, both populations would just vanish into the white population through interbreeding.

  483. @Ron Unz

    You may well be right. I will give you a bone and maybe its higher then for the same reasons as crime rates eg higher proportion of young males who are more likely to do both?

  484. Ruprecht says:

    – From Mr. Unz’s article:
    “I believe that there are few other topics in which such severe misinformation, often of an emotionally charged nature, has so totally contaminated the political debate, sometimes on both sides of the controversy.”

    I actually agree, Mr. Unz. Now, whether exaggerations of Hispanic crime rates by illegal immigration opponents justifies the status quo is another matter. If opponents use faulty stats and exaggerated figures they’re only hurting their own cause and credibility.

    But I’m glad you mentioned that there is misinformation on both sides of the debate. This article puts it in focus:

    https://theredfootedbooby.com/2019/01/16/mainstream-news-media-pimping-reality-for-your-enjoyment/

    There is much sliminess on the pro-illegal immigration side as well.

    • Replies: @utu
  485. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    Seriously, why don’t you just find me the names of TEN ordinary white victims murdered in predatory crimes by illegals during all of 2018? There’s that Mollie somebody in Iowa who became a national sensation, so you just need to find 9 more…

    To be fair, it’s difficult to find all the information one needs because the MSM doesn’t report on all murders. Aside from some high profile murders of whites by illegals, I’m sure some fall through the cracks because the MSM doesn’t investigate the killer’s immigration status.

    Here’s a list of white Americans who were murdered in a predatory manner by illegals in 2018. They seem to be, at least, of middle class status.

    1. Mollie Tibbets – no more need to be said.

    2. Rocky Paul Jones. Shot randomly by Gustavo Garcia, who attempted to be a spree killer but failed in his other attempts.

    3. Stephen Ray Cruze. Beaten to death by Ramon Escobar, a serial killer, who also beat 6 homeless men, killing 3 (2 blacks, 1 hispanic). Escobar also killed his uncle and aunt in TX.

    4. Madison Wells. Sixteen year old stabbed to death by ex-boyfriend, Bryan Cordero-Castro.

    5. Veronica Jester. Shot in head by Asunsion Martinez.

    6. Joyce Cluhey. Killed by Cesar Cono-Olvera.

    7. Russell Fisk. Shot in his car randomly by Arnoldo Pompa-Rascon, who shot two others who survived.

    8. Kinsey Beebe. Shot in the head by BF, Adonis Encinas Velarde, and his friend, Abraham Puentes Ortiz.

    9. Terra M. Reents. Stabbed to death at bar she worked at by Eliseo Hernandez-Sabastian, who stabbed another bar employee who survived.

    So there were 3 spree criminals. We should all be so “glad” that 2 were so bad in their aim.

    [MORE]

    Here’s 6 other ordinary Americans killed by illegals.

    10. Nicholas Boger. Black man shot to death during a robbery by Sergio Coello-Perez and Jonathan Castillo

    11. Ronil Singh. Police shot to death by Gustavo Perez Arriaga

    12. Faruk Bhuiya. Convenience store employee shot by Jose Bonilla-Ortiz

    13. Arthur Gomez Jr. Popular football coach shot dead by Joel Valera.

    14. Javier Rangel Sosa. Stabbed to death on fishing boat by co-worker, Franklin Freddy Meave Vazquez.

    15. Rahman Rupani. Store owner’s son who intervened in an altercation outside store. Shot dead by Judas Deluna

    16. Jared Vargas. Murdered and burned by co-worker, Ernesto Esquivel Garcia.

    Then we have the disadvantaged Americans who were murdered. They were involved with prostitution, drugs, or were homeless. 6 whites, 2 blacks. There were hispanics, too, but I couldn’t tell if they were citizens or not so they were omitted.

    Ann Farrin, Neidy Roche, Nurten Seljuk, Steven Marler, Aaron Hampton, Sabrina Starr, Kelvin Williams, Branden Ridout

    Last and not least, there are the vehicular homicides which can be worse than the predatory crimes because it can wipe out entire families and you cannot protect yourself by living in a segregated area away from illegals. The publicized cases I found consisted of 15 incidents: 9 whites, 2 blacks, 2 asians, 8 hispanics. Caveat is that I don’t know if the asians or hispanics were citizens, I’m not listing them as a result. 60% were DUI, rest were reckless driving, almost all included hit and run – they were left to die.

    Amanda Ferguson Weyant – 6th grade teacher
    Logan and Jessica Wilson – left behind 3 young children
    Charles Byrdic – killed in front yard
    Amy Hawkins – bike rider
    Matthew D. Barthel – left behind wife and two children
    Justin Lee – 14 yr old bike rider
    John Anderson – burned alive in truck
    Edwin Jackson, Jeffrey Monroe – NFL football player and his Uber driver
    Jamar Rashaun Beach – riding motorcycle

    For calculating homicide numbers of illegals in TX I used this source, the June 2018 – Quarterly report on Alien Incarcerations.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-quarterly-alien-incarceration-report

    Using their numbers, I get 193 homicides a month which makes illegals committing 13.8% of homicides. Pew Hispanic claims that illegals are 6.1% of the population in Texas.

    An additional source of information comes from David Olen Cross who specializes in Oregon data. He correlates Oregon incarceration data with ICE detainer numbers.

    https://docfnc.wordpress.com/2019/01/12/oregon-department-of-corrections-foreign-national-homicide-report-december-2018/

    According to his data, illegals commit 7.4% of homicides and 6.1% of crime in Oregon. Pew Hispanic claims that illegals are 3.2% of the population in Oregon.

    Just sayin’

  486. @Thomm

    “among those living with two parents”

    What an odd qualifier on that statistic. I wonder why they excluded children living with one parent? Given the extreme number of out of wedlock births in some groups I would speculate that that the rates were even high among those children. The melting pot has worked in the past and can work again if we just choose to enforce our border.

  487. @anonymous

    Good on you that you went to all the effort of playing Ron’s silly game.

    It is perfectly legitimate to resent any and all crime committed by illegal aliens as they should not be here to commit any crimes. I resent the ones committed by Asian illegal immigrants just as much and they are a damn site fewer.

    Do we US citizens have a right to enforce the law we already have established? The progressives do not accept that we do. The donor class of both parties do not accept that we do. The masses of illegal aliens currently in the US and those that wish to come do not accept that we do. The MSM do not accept that we do. The universities with some small exceptions do not accept that we do. Ron is silent.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  488. utu says:
    @Ruprecht

    If opponents use faulty stats and exaggerated figures they’re only hurting their own cause and credibility.

    This is not about truth because there is no one truth, it is about an impact and effectiveness. If stopping or reducing immigration can be accomplished by mobilizing people around negative news about Hispanics, so be it. Mr. Unz seems to believe that his data in the end will have a greater impact and will end up hurting the credibility of the message exaggerating Hispanics criminality. Personally I doubt it. Most people will not buy into the age corrected data as they are suspicious of any corrections particularly by somebody whose work was not independently reviewed and verified. They know that Hispanics’ incarceration rate and arrest rate greatly exceed that of Whites and the fact that the discrepancy is diminished by applying the age correction will not impress them. Why should it? Whether Hispanics’ criminality is higher because they are Hispanics (poor aliens, culture, race…) or because they are younger does not offer any consolation to the victims of the crimes regardless of victims’ ethnicity and it does not alter the cost to society and criminal justice system. Mr. Unz by applying his age correction did not reduce the number of crimes. Not a single life and not a single dollar were saved by Mr. Unz’s correction.

    And then there are the crimes of illegal aliens. Whether they commit less crimes because their situation is precarious and they are afraid and want to lay low or whether they commit more crimes because they are desperate and do not give a fuck can be estimated but it is irrelevant. It does not matter to the victims of their crimes whether the victims are citizens or not and whether they are legally in the US or not. The state is not responsible for lightnings that cause death and usually not responsible for floods. Yet the state builds dikes and levies and has a monitoring network to warn its citizens about incoming storms and tornados because it wants to reduce the negative impact of floods and lightnings. Illegal aliens are not a force of nature beyond our control. The government can control this force. If it takes exaggeration of the danger of illegal aliens to make government finally act, so be it.

    Is crime the most negative impact of legal and illegal aliens. No, absolutely not. There are much higher stakes like quality of life, wages and cultural identity that are negatively impacted by excessive immigration legal and not. But if mobilizing society and forcing government hand can be accomplished by talking about crime to save the the higher stakes, so be it.

    • Agree: niceland
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Ruprecht
  489. MarkinLA says:
    @anonymous

    Ron doesn’t count Asians, Hispanics, blacks, low income whites, car accident victims no matter how drunk the illegal was, drug users, people who know drug users, people who know people who know drug users, well just about anybody that isn’t white rich and lives in a mansion.