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American Pravda: Who Shot Down Flight MH17 in Ukraine?

Last year I published Our American Pravda, making the case for the utter corruption and unreliability of the mainstream American media, both in the past and especially in recent years. The enormous lacunae I daily noticed in the pages of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and other leading media outlets were a major motivation behind my creation of The Review, whose readership has grown enormously in recent weeks.

A perfect example of this dangerous MSM “conspiracy of silence” may be found in the growing confrontation with Russia over Ukraine, greatly accelerated by the death of almost 300 passengers aboard Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, shot down last month over Eastern Ukraine. The American media and its Western counterparts have almost unanimously placed the blame on anti-government rebels backed by Russia, and darkly insinuate that Russian President Vladimir Putin has the blood of those hundreds of innocent lives on his hands. London’s once-respected Economist magazine has repeatedly run shrill covers promoting the great threat of Putin and Russia to world peace, even featuring a photo of the former under the stark title “A Web of Lies.” There is the serious likelihood of a renewed Cold War against Russia and with the neoconized Republicans in Congress proposing legislation to incorporate Ukraine as an American military ally and deploy American forces there, the actual possibility of a military clash near the Russian border.

As readers know, I have been overwhelmingly consumed with my own software work in recent months and aside from closely reading the NYT and WSJ every morning, have devoted little time or effort to following the disastrous Ukraine situation. But just carefully reading between the lines of our elite MSM outlets and glancing at a few contrary perspectives presented on alternative websites have left me highly suspicious of our media narrative, leading me to wonder where the finger of guilt actually points.

For example, according to the official American story, MH17 was downed by rebels armed with a BUK anti-aircraft missile battery. As it happens, the pro-American Ukraine government possesses a large inventory of exactly those weapons, while it is far from clear that the rebels have a single unit, let alone the expertise to operate such sophisticated devices. Furthermore, there apparently exists radar evidence demonstrating that Ukraine fighter planes were in the immediate vicinity of MH17 just before it was shot down and there are firsthand reports from investigators on the ground that portions of the crashed fuselage showed strong evidence of having been hit the sort of heavy machine-gun fire employed in air combat. I find it extremely suspicious that the American government has repeatedly refused to release the evidence supporting its narrative, while the Russian government has released copious evidence supporting its contrary perspective.

We must bear in mind that the downing of MH17 and the deaths of the hundreds of mostly European passengers came as a fortuitous stroke of fortune for the embattled Kiev government and its neoconservative American backers, given that Germany and most of the other major European governments had just balked at approving the harsh anti-Russian economic sanctions being proposed by the White House. Cui bono?

Furthermore, this terrible suspicion that 300 innocent lives may have been sacrificed in a ghastly false-flag operation by an American-supported government is somewhat buttressed by earlier events. Consider that the overthrow of the democratically-elected and neutralist Ukrainian government was sparked by the massive bloodshed that erupted between riot police and pro-American demonstrators in the Kievan capital, as many hundreds on both sides were suddenly killed or wounded by an outbreak of heavy gunfire over a couple of nights. I found it very intriguing that soon afterward an intercepted telephone call between the pro-Western foreign minister of Estonia and European High Commissioner Catherine Ashton, later confirmed to be genuine, revealed that the bullets found in the bodies of both government police and anti-government demonstrators had apparently come from the same guns. The most plausible explanation of this strange detail is that the snipers responsible were professionals brought in to cause the massive bloodshed necessary to overthrow the government, which is exactly what soon followed. Again cui bono?

Am I certain about these facts, let alone the analysis built upon them? Absolutely not! As emphasized, I’ve been entirely preoccupied with other matters over the last few months. But if such obvious suspicions are apparent to someone who occasionally glances at the news reports out of the corner of his mind’s eye, the total silence of the American media and its huge corps of full-time professional journalists constitutes a very telling indictment. Personally, I think there’s a high likelihood that forces aligned with current pro-Western regime were responsible for the massacre in Kiev’s Maidan Square and a better than fifty-fifty chance they more recently shot down MH17, but I really can’t be sure about either of these things. However, I am absolutely 100% certain that the American MSM has been revealed as a totally worthless source of information on these crucial world events, although it can be relied upon to provide every last detail of Robin Williams’ troubled life or the endless foibles of the Kardashians.

In the interests of providing our readers at least some access to alternate accounts of why we may now be heading into a new Cold War against Russia—or even a hot one— I’ve recently republished a couple of Mike Whitney’s fine Counterpunch columns on the mysteries of Flight MH17, which cautiously raised questions rather than claimed to answer them, as well as those of the redoubtable Paul Craig Roberts.

Aside from attracting considerable debate from our website’s often “excitable” commenters, whose views range from the sensible to the deranged, our Whitney columns regarding MH17 had a far more important consequence. One of our left-liberal readers was shocked to read facts totally absent from the pages of The Nation, the Huffington Post, or any of the other left-liberal sites she visits. Out of curiosity, she contacted a very prominent left-liberal American academic, someone with special expertise in exactly that area of Europe. To her considerable surprise, he largely confirmed the outlandish “conspiracy theory,” saying that the evidence increasingly indicated that the American-backed Kiev government had shot down Flight MH17, either accidentally or otherwise.

Based on his remarks, it sounded like he and his friends had devoted 100x the time and effort that I had to investigating the incident, thereby reassuring me that my casual conclusions were at least not wholly ridiculous. Yet it also appeared that neither he or any of the other American experts in his circle who apparently share his views had seen fit to publish their opinions in any of the numerous media outlets to which they have easy access, presumably for fear of being denounced and stigmatized as “conspiracy nuts.” They may regard the possibility of an American military confrontation with nuclear-armed Russia as a terrible danger, but it pales compared to the horrifying risk that the 22-year-old bookers at MSNBC chat shows might decide to put a black mark down next to their names.

The following day I lamented this cowardice of our intelligentsia to another prominent liberal academic with whom I’m friendly, and he immediately sent me the draft by a friend of his on that very topic that I am now greatly honored to publish. Most of the dead on MH17 were Dutch citizens and Karel van Wolferen ranks as one of the world’s most prominent Dutch journalists, winner of major awards and someone whose numerous books that have sold well over a million copies worldwide. His article describes the evidence regarding MH17, but more importantly focuses on the totally corrupted worlds of journalism and politics that have enabled this dangerous situation to develop.

I urge everyone to read van Wolferen’s long and thoughtful piece and ask themselves why such basic facts and simple analysis appear nowhere within the mainstream American media. Given his standing and his credibility, the New York Times should have long since featured his byline on a major opinion piece, and the absence constitutes powerful evidence. During our disastrous Iraq War the American media applied exactly the same boycott to the views of my old friend Bill Odom, the three-star general who had run the NSA for President Ronald Reagan and ranked as one of Washington’s leading experts on national security issues. Our totally incompetent ruling elites refuse to let discordant voices puncture their bubble of unreality.

For those readers who refuse to admit the possibility that our vaunted MSM might conceal such vital facts, consider the important point I made at the beginning of my 2013 article. In recent years, leading scholars have conclusively established that for a decade or two during the 1930s and 1940s, a small network of Communist spies quietly gained substantial control of our national government in Washington, DC, successfully diverting the actions of the United States to their own nefarious ends. If our mainstream media had failed to notice or report that situation at the time and then spent the next half century ridiculing anyone who suggested this possibility, why should anyone believe that the media can be trusted on the question of who actually shot down Flight MH17 in Ukraine? Our American Pravda indeed.

UPDATE: Our long, detailed article by distinguished Dutch journalist Karel van Wolferen has had enormous traffic, and is now on the verge of becoming the most heavily read piece in the history of our young webzine, while the nearly 600 Tweets it has so far received indicatie distribution comparable to that of a major New York Times article. All this has happened in just the last couple of days.

Furthermore, just as I had hoped, the very lengthy comment threads of the two articles have provided a wealth of additional information, far beyond anything I had previously encountered, given my slight familiarity with this issue.

First, I learned that a group of highly-experienced former intelligence officers from the CIA, FBI, NSA, and other government agencies has issued a public statement sharply criticizing the lack of evidence substantiating the claims made by American government officials.


Also, the blogsite of Col. Patrick Lang, a very highly regarded former Defense Intelligence official, has published a lengthy and detailed analysis of the MH17 Incident, raising many of the same issues:


Furthermore, one of the commenters on our website, who purportedly has a military intelligence background, pointed us to the very detailed analysis he had published on his own blogsite regarding MH17:


And I also discovered that a prominent leftist journalist had also published a lengthy reconstruction of the shoot-down:


Although I claim no great expertise in military affairs, these analyses certainly seem to strengthen my suspicions that the Official Story almost universally accepted by the Western MSM is far from solid and may indeed be a ridiculous fabrication. I urge others to follow the links I have provided, and draw their own conclusions, perhaps different from my own. But they should ask themselves why so many highly-regarded former U.S. intelligence professionals would be raising these serious doubts and why our mainstream media has totally failed to report them.

As for me, I’ve noticed a curious fact. It appears that the people and organizations promoting the current Official Line on Ukraine have a huge overlap with the people and organizations that promoted the disastrous Iraq War, based on the notorious WMD Hoax. Meanwhile, the people providing serious skepticism about government accusations regarding MH17 are exactly the same people who raised doubts and skepticism about Iraq’s alleged WMD and the wisdom of attacking Iraq, while being just as totally ignored by the MSM then as now.

Since none of the Iraq War or WMD Hoax culprits ever received proper punishment for their crimes, they’ve mostly remained alive and free and able to promote equally disastrous foreign policy adventures in the media they continue to control. But that doesn’t mean we must be so gullible as to believe what they say.

Going forward, the crucial unknown is whether our timorous media or even its ideological fringes, will begin to seriously report these issues, or whether they’ll all get into line just as they did during the WMD Hoax.


Scott Horton has a podcast interview of Karel van Wolferen


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  1. TomB says:

    All this talk about the intricacies of this plane’s shootdown not only misses Unz’s big point, but indeed substantially bolsters it which is the incredible herd-like behavior of the main-stream media in the U.S. at least.

    As if this is something that doesn’t resonate like a ring of a deep bell otherwise.

    The question of course is why and Unz and I have gone around once before concerning same with me asserting that I think it’s largely a sort of fear on the part of our journalists to go crossing lines set by a largely Left/liberal elite about what can be investigated and said and written and televised, and what cannot without facing, at the very least, professional sneering. (Not to mention the dynamiting of one’s career possibilities with the elite big media corporations, the disqualification for professional prizes and awards and recognitions, and etc., etc.)

    Mr. Unz disagrees with me, seeing no particular partisan slant to the phenomenon, but I stand by my contention.

    In the first place I’d note that if it were not a partisan matter then you’d tend to see this Soviet-like cabining of reporting concerning all kinds of issues, and that’s not too much of what is seen I don’t think. Instead it indeed mostly does concern matters of partisan interest, and as to the rest of where it does appear seems to be on those issues in which our elites generally have decided what constitutes intelligent opinion and what does not.

    So in my view it is elitist, but also heavily partisan elitist, although I will admit that to my eye too, as it is to Unz’s, in the case of this plane shoot-down much of the orthodoxy of blaming it on the pro-Russian/Russian forces is indeed coming from the same precincts that brought us all the reporting on Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction and etc., which is to say the neo-con precincts. And, obviously, it will be noted that the neo-cons are especially well-ensconsed in the Republican Party and find their greatest mouthpieces there.

    My contention concerning this is that this is simply because the neo-conservatives are not really conservatives at all, and but represent a mere segment of the Left/liberal elites who have determined that, for a time at least, the Republican Party is where their most fervent ideas (in general those concerning Israel’s best interests) can be forwarded. And where contrary ideas coming from the Democratic ranks can be most vigorously pounded. (Not to mention providing a perch from which to pound down any rise in those contrary ideas in the Republican Party itself.)

    And, notably in this regard I think, is what I think is the clearly better sort of coverage these folks ideas get in the major elite media than other (and what I regard as “true” conservative) ideas, and indeed the better sort of coverage that elite media grants to them when it covers them personally than how it covers other (again “true”) conservatives.

    Thus for instance just consider how the absolute Everest of Left/liberal journalism the New York Times covered the neo-con’s WMD fantasies in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. Or the extreme credulousness with which it reported on every one of the neo-cons serial ideas of how to rescue their great adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan such as the “surges,” and then the utter failure to note the fact that by their own terms of long-range success they failed, and we got booted out of both countries essentially. (Not to mention any follow-up to Tom Friedman’s remarkable admission that were it not for 25 specific neo-cons there would have been no Iraq war with all that has meant to us, which is at the very least an amazing suggestion one would think would deserve some extended investigation.)

    Or consider what clearly can seem the instructions the herd is receiving vis a via more topical and clearly partisan-infested stories, with the major media insistently running the same picture of the young, innocent and charming face of Trayvon Martin over and over and ignoring the youth’s own, later “selfie” showing him flashing gang signs. All of which is now seems to be substantially repeated (if to a little lesser degree, perhaps out of a bit of Martin humiliation) by the constant running of the anodyne and again even charming pictures of young Michael Brown, and the studied ignoring of him flashing his own gang signs, not to mention the oh-so-heartbreaking news pushed on us about his music dreams having been killed, without mentioning the violence-glorifying nature of same.

    My perspective at any rate, and not to say I don’t respect any varying viewpoints concerning same…

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  4. Welcome to World War Twitter. One of the perverted things is that every time one side inflicts casualties, they immediately claim it was done by the other side. The Russians / Pro-Russian separatists blamed the Ukrainians for sniping protesters in Maidan Square. If a Pro-Russian village is blasted by artillery with civilian casualties, the Ukrainians blame it on the Rebels. In one incident a group of Ukrainian soldiers were ambushed. When a Ukrainian helicopter flew overhead shooting back at the long gone rebels, they claimed that they were shot by the helicopter. The propaganda gets worse because it is always claimed to be on purpose as a way of pissing off the population to motivate the army. Like the joke about the N*%%#$ that stole so many chains, he could not swim with them.

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  6. @Hepp

    “Vladimir Putin’s goals for the world, whatever the faults, are preferable to our Western leaders”

    Two quick questions on that one:

    1. What exactly are Putin’s goals for the world?
    2. Why are they preferable to those of western leaders?

    Best regards,


  7. Hunsdon says:

    Gee, this atrocity sure fell down the memory hole in a hurry, didn’t it?

  8. @Hunsdon

    I still think it was the rebels accidentally shooting down the plane, and I think in the absence of intense pressure from the media the investigation normally doesn’t disclose any information until the case is closed, but I’m also a bit curious as to why there’s been no pressure from the media regarding such an important event. MH370 investigators were forced to reveal details (e.g. about data found on the pilot’s computer), even though MH370 was, however terrible a tragedy, just an airplane catastrophe, with very little geopolitical consequences. MH17, on the other hand, is way way more important. So why is the press not interested in the little details? I know that details like the last conversation with the tower are just trivia, but the tabloid press normally thrives on trivia. Why not in this case?

  9. Is Ron Unz aware that the ‘contact’ email provided at this site, which is Ron@unz.com, consistently bounces back as being undeliverable, and that he has therefore not been seeing many thousands of emails that are sent to that email address, which is the only email address that this site provides to contact the site? I request him to contact me via email so that this problem can be rectified. I wish to become a columnist at this site, as I am at many others. I have repeatedly tried to reach him for that purpose.

  10. one thing that surprises me is that no one mentions the NATIONAL RECONNAISSANCE OFFICE.

    this is the entity that manages us/nato satellites. i can assure you that the NRO was monitoring the ukraine. and that the resolution of their satelites is less than a centimeter.

    the NRO has pix of mh370 and mh17. and everything happening on the ground.

    in real time. at a high resolution.

    if you had subscribed to aviation week & space technology you could have seen such pix of the russian invasion of afghanistan.

    those pix are probative. how is it that no one demands those? in fact, it occurs to me that everyone in the nato/usa is running away from that evidence.

    do they need a war that desperately?

  11. Dave says:


    LOL. Nice try, but even the Slate link you included states:

    Social media being what it is—fickle and easily manipulatable—this is certainly not definitive proof of who is responsible for shooting down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine on Thursday

    Oh, but I guess we can be assured that the CIA and Ukrainian government will get around to hearing about Twitter some day and discover the false-flag implications of it. (ROTFLMAO!!!!)

  12. Hunsdon says:

    @reiner Tor

    reiner Tor: I freely admit that I am more or less a partisan for the LNR/DNR, and I’d prefer not to think that they shot the plane down. But if they did, they did. I want to see the evidence. The USG can hand wave about “sources and methods” all they want, but in 2014, that’s not cutting it any more. It seems that each time there’s bad news for the rebels/separatists/terrorists, it turns out to be unsourced/made-up/a provocation. The government in Kiev does not have exactly the best track record in terms of providing concrete, verifiable information to support its claims.

    Once more, show me the evidence. If it was Vladimir Putin his own bad self operating a battery of Buk launchers . . . let’s see the photos. As an above commenter mentioned, there’s the NRO, there were all those NATO SIGINT ships in the Black Sea: show us the evidence. Change our minds. Prove it to us.

    Because contra a certain former SecDef, sometimes absence of evidence really is evidence of absence.

  13. i think it is important to understand that though the kgb no longer exists, russia continues to monitor its enemies[usa, nato, the eec].

    and i think we should be able to agree that russia has its intell assets in the countries that russia sees as a continuation of the “great game ” alliances.

    so, russia was more than aware of the conspiracy that the usa and nato hatched to provoke a confrontation[coup] in the ukraine when yanukovich spurned eu overtures that would have allowed the imf to further rape the ukraine economically. this is a history that is all too conveniently overlooked by the defenders of nato[eu].

    russia understood the motives behind the coup. and the fsb furnished him detailed intell analyses of the machinations of the “great gamesters”.

    and i would say that putin has played his hand very adroitly. he knows that all the nato countries, the ukraine junta, have no hand beyond a “bluffing” one.

    which is ok for the sheep that read the nato controlled press. the sheep that still haven’t recognized the fact that their fascist governments lie to them all the time[i.e., you tell me when any nato state has ever told the truth].

    putin understands the “great game”.

    the foundation of that game is the usd[and collaterally the euro].

    so, putin, and his new allies, have decided to establish a new world unshackled from the usd, the euro.

    he understands that “sanctions” are tantamount to “acts of war”. “acts of war” that the nato fellatrice press refuses to identify as “acts of war”.

    so, putin and his fellow insurgents to the idea of dollar, ecu imperaialism, have taken up the arms that are available to them. hydrocarbons, agriculture, precious metal[palladium, gold] mining.

    and russia has not been slacking in its understanding of the nato conspiracy to continue pursuing the “great game”. when russia and china announced this new pipeline, i wondered how russia was going to acquire the prime movers and compressors to move the methane. after all, that market is controlled by the nato countries. and sanctions would have arrested russia’s acquisition of those turbine compressors.

    you might want to recognize that russia/china thought about this pipeline a long time ago. perhaps even before western intell caught on.

    russia has prepared to build its own turbine compressors/gensets. which it will be selling into the dollar dissatisfied world[see turkey's recent acquisition of these turbines].


    it is an economic war between nato and russia. and russia has prepared better than the nato organization.

    i think that no nato country has noticed this turbine project of russia. i think that they continued to think that they held the russians by the yinyang because russia would need nato turbines to drive any methane transmission. no nato country will be selling turbines to gazprom or any chinese entity ever again.

  14. Dutch says:


    Maybe YOU should ask yourself why you need your reality dictated to you by anyone? Or why every argument you present rests on you projecting this same sheepishness on everyone else.

    I don’t believe any government, organization or media. And in a million years you can’t tell me why I would need to. We are happy that you find comfort and security hiding behind the groupthink of others, but its not the way that all of us choose. And the fact that you can’t grasp that is not reason enough for all of us to have to suffer your inane banter. Check yourself before you go slinging mud at those who endeavor to think. You’ll look like less of a sheep if nothing else.

  15. Matra says:

    @reiner Tor

    I’m also a bit curious as to why there’s been no pressure from the media regarding such an important event

    There are lots of other stories that they prefer – Islamic head-choppers, celebrity nude shots, and a few weeks ago it was all Israel all the time. It was the same with AF447 which disappeared completely from English language media within days.

    MH370 investigators were forced to reveal details (e.g. about data found on the pilot’s computer), even though MH370 was, however terrible a tragedy, just an airplane catastrophe, with very little geopolitical consequences.

    MH370 has been the most sensationally covered airline accident/incident in history. It’s disappearance is unprecedented for a passenger airline so there is nothing surprising about it.

    MH17, on the other hand, is way way more important. So why is the press not interested in the little details?

    You have far greater faith in the intelligence and sense of responsibility of Western media than I do. They lack curiosity about the details of most world events. There is nothing new about this. In the US a story about white flags mysteriously appearing on a NY bridge were a bigger story than MH17 within days of the plane being shot down and I suspect most Americans found it far more interesting than MH17. The Dutch and aviation media are still following the story.

    Last week Sergei Lavrov (quoting from aus.com.au) said “that those who had initially made “accusations verging on hysteria against Russia and the rebels” had now fallen silent and “seemed to have swallowed their tongues.” It’s obvious that the Russians are still trying to spread misinformation that will appeal to low information Westerners and Russians alike. The MH17 investigation is going on in the appropriate and usual manner in accordance with Annex 13 of the International Convention on Civil Aviation. Russian claims to the contrary is just them engaging in cynical propaganda.

  16. Blondie-2 says:


    Shurely nobody nows what happened with the two nearly identical B777 of Malaysian Airlines.

    There is no evidence that both accidents are coupled , and no that there aren’t. Both have the same indicators, a sudden crash without any known communication from the pilots to ground.

    Reasons are a lot, maybe coincidence, maybe a terrorist attac, maybe a misguides BUK locked to the weather radar, maybe the nose “pockmarks” are from a fighter plane, maybe machine gun fire after crash, maybe maybe maybe.

    Nobody knows except that there are interests and info wars from all parties.

    Most of all I fear mass stupidity and bureaucratic idiocratie. And i live in Germany, Hamburg, east part of it. Walking hours through the neighbourhoods, nearly no buildings constructed before 1946. Over here you can see the scarfs of WWII, remember how your grandparents acted, know what they told.

  17. VladM says:


    Obviously the matter is still in question and I do not like to throw in my opinion but my doubts about the version dominating in the West, let me do this as I do my papers:

    1) Methodology: equipment and its operators – radar stations “Kupol” on Ukr side – range about 200 km (~ 160 miles), none on the rebel side, unlimited on Russian side. Very amateur operators on Ukr side (check how they shot down Russian passenger jet in 2001), very professional on Russian side. None to rebels – they didn’t have a “Kupol” radar system.

    2) What happened and who disclosed what: Russians immediately put their radar data on the table, none by the West which of course has a lot of data – this region is watching very closely. Why?

    3) No comments from U government why the U fighter jet approached in blind (in clouds) to shooting distance to MH 17. No release if there was an exchange between Kiev tower and the military that the plane was sent on a different route – in Russian media the dominating hypotheses is the plane was mistaken for Russian spy plane.

    4) Why non disclosure agreement is put in place for all info on MH 17 tragedy?

    Simple questions but no simple answers.


  18. VladM says:


    “cynical propaganda”? Amazing – on Sept 11 preliminary results will be published – you want a bet? It will say “it is not clear who shot the plane”. – Read Ukr Army did it, if there was a chance to blame it on rebels it would be done so. But there is no chance – the rebels didn’t have an operational Buk.

  19. @jjc

    I know the report you’re talking about. I’ve seen it. I live in Germany, and a couple people put up the link on Facebook; it had gone viral. If there’s anyone here who still thinks the Maidan-sniper story is pure hokum, you should read this translation of the transcript for yourself:


    And when you’re done, take a look at the original report:


    Even if you don’t know German, some of the visuals need no explanation.

  20. Tionico says:


    except for a few details I’ve run across from multiple sources: first, the shrapnel from the BUK is a mass of small steel spheres, each about 10mm diameter. There are no holes of this size on the panels, from the photos I’ve seen. The cannon on the MIGs in use by the Ukrainian military are 30mm cannon. They have a type of projectile that comprises multiple longish shards, which shatter upon impact. Some of the entrance holes seem very close to 30mm diameter, the exit holes are far larger, consistent with the break-apart rounds typically used in these cannon.

    From the report I read, the radar tracking info that indicates two MIG 25′s very near that plane just prior to its crashing came from non-russian sources…. neighbouring countries, air traffic control records, etc.
    Then there is the report, from multipel sources, that have the airliner making an unplanned course change to bring it over the area of conflict for just long enough to have it far enough off course…… as if it were being deliberately set up for the shootdown.
    Now, the final QUESTION no one has satisfactorily answred: WHERE is the recording from the two black boxes alledgedly discovered and removed from the crash scene, and WHY have we not heard those recordings? Russia has been hollering and demanding those recordings be released. Those in control of them are, for reasons as yet unexplained suitably, refusing.

    Last bit: I’ve also read a rather sophisticated analysis of the recording alledging to be the “rebels” bragging over their shootdown….. which analysis raises serious questions as to the authenticity of that recording. It seems it is very likely a manufactured piece of artwork deliberately intended to deceive……. which fits well with all the other points I raise above. IF this was a false flag operation, of COURSE a few bits of fabricated “evidence” will surface…….. same game as the dirty coppers who leave a throwdown gun in the hands of the guy they just shot to make it appear the guy drew down on them, so as to “jusstify” their killing him. The fingerprints left on those guns are almost never chemically analised to determine that the person was dead when the prints were made onto the throwdown gun. Convenient…… and deceitful.

    When we see that the SAME TYPE of projectile from some of the exact same guns were retreived from the corpses of individuals on opposing sides of the supposed melee in Kiev, the coup begins to stink of a set up, false flag, charade, black ops affair. If they could/would do that, what possible “proof positive” could suggest the downed airliner was not also a plot to promote a not-so-well-hidden political agenda?

  21. VladM says:


    I read tons of articles about the shooting MH17, 99% is pure BS speculations but few give some insights to think about: as politically un involved the most connected to facts I saw is analysis of Russian Engineers Association. They warn plainly that the analysis and its results are very tentative however: in their version the MH17 was hit by fighter jet which initially was on head to head course coming from under neath at angle about 25-30 degrees left hitting by gun (20 mm) the pilot cabin, causing de hermertization killing almost instantly the pilots, the plane continue to go on autopilot, the jet turned around and fired air to air sort range missile which hit one of the engines on MH17 right side. After that the MH 17 went into spiral fall which eventually resulted in breaking of airframe at altitude about 5 km.
    What really upsets me that almost 300 people are dead and their death became a chip in a political games.

  22. So the transcript is out, and as was most likely from the outset, not much is known yet. They didn’t even specify the size of the high-energy objects, so not even the machine gun theory is to be ruled out with absolute certainty. (Not very likely, but I don’t think it was ever likely, if you ask me.)

  23. as politically un involved the most connected to facts I saw is analysis of Russian Engineers Association.

    Yeah, they sound really independent. Save it for the birds!

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A thousand years of meritocracy shaped the Middle Kingdom.
Are elite university admissions based on meritocracy and diversity as claimed?