The Unz Review - Mobile
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 BlogviewRon Unz Archive
American Pravda: The KKK and Mass Racial Killings
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>
shutterstock_339962798

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

With the KKK and the racially-charged violence at Charlottesville dominating the national media, I’m republishing my own article from last year on closely-related topics.

Over the last few decades, I doubt that any American political organization has received greater negative attention in our national news and entertainment media than the Ku Klux Klan, or KKK. For example, although white activist David Duke left that group over 35 years ago, the media still often identifies him as one of its former leaders, and partly as a consequence Duke’s support for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has regularly been treated as headline news.

Such massive coverage may be objectively demonstrated. Googling “KKK” yields over 72 million results, considerably more than the joint total for “Communist” and “Communists,” and well over twice what you get for “Communism.” Such prominence seems rather excessive, given that throughout most of the 20th century, Communism controlled some one-third of the world’s population, and the resulting political conflict periodically threatened to unleash global thermonuclear war. Even today, a self-described Communist Party governs China, a nation 1.4 billion strong, which by some measures has now passed the U.S. to become the world’s largest economy. Meanwhile, the last time the KKK held any significant political power was almost 100 years ago, during its Midwestern heyday of the 1920s.

And if we focus on the sanguinary consequences of the two movements, the imbalance is even greater. The famous Black Book of Communism, published in 1991, claimed that across the 20th century, Communist regimes had racked up a peacetime total of roughly 100 million human fatalities, and although that latter figure has been widely disputed as a considerable exaggeration, the true number is surely in the many tens of millions, with merely the famine deaths induced by Mao’s disastrous Great Leap Forward of 1959-1961 usually pegged at 35 million or more.

Meanwhile, the victims of the notorious KKK seem rather fewer in number. The Wikipedia entry for the KKK is over twice as long as that for Communism, and hardly seeks to airbrush the misdeeds of that violent organization, but only manages to provide some 15 murder victims, all listed by name, drawn from the combined decades of the 1950s and 1960s, which represented the height of the Klan’s modern power. This apparent gap between 15 deaths and perhaps 70,000,000 or so seems rather wide.

Not only does the KKK total pale in comparison with Stalin and his considerable body-count, but during its two decades of greatest infamy all those hundreds or thousands of armed Klansmen accounted for fewer victims than the number sometimes sent to the Chicago city morgue over a long holiday weekend these days, let alone what various half-forgotten teenage spree-killers produced during their individual short rampages. For example, a decade ago disgruntled Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho killed 33 people within a couple of hours, and he hardly remains a household name these days. Meanwhile, the last of those infamous 15 KKK racial killings took place a full half-century ago.

A considerable disproportionality between media attention and actual activity seems undeniable.

However, there are obviously some mitigating factors in this critique. Communism never came to America in serious form, while the ideological foundations of our culture these days tend to regard racial killings by organized groups as particularly heinous offenses, especially when these are aimed at inflicting terror. By contrast, lunatics attacking their classmates or drug-dealers disputing their business transactions are committing much more mundane offenses. So under this particular victimological standard, the 15 victims of the KKK over the two decades from 1950 more reasonably justify the massive attention they have received.

Furthermore, America has always been fascinated with killings that take place over an extended period of months or years, especially if they involve some sort of unusual pattern, with the monikers of strange serial killers often resonating for decades. There was Richard Ramirez, the Los Angeles Night Stalker, an avowed Satanist who slaughtered at least fourteen victims, mostly in the Los Angeles area during 1985. And who can forget Jeffrey Dahmer, the Milwaukee Cannibal, who killed and devoured some 17 young men in a career spanning a dozen years? So the unusual circumstances or motivation of such murders can easily compensate for the relative lack of raw numbers, and surely this helps to explain the enormous attention paid to the KKK’s rather meager list of actual victims.

As an extreme example of the importance of murder quality over murder quantity, there was the famed Zodiac Killer who prowled Northern California during the late 1960s and early 1970s, but was never caught. Although he may have accounted for as few as five actual victims, the sensational nature of the case inspired several movies and many dozens of books, while the fictionalized plotline of a serial killer who sends taunting letters to the newspapers has probably been repeated in scores of television crime episodes and films. As a child growing up in Southern California, the phrase “Zodiac Killer” was certainly familiar to me.

But oddly enough, another long series of killings centered in that same time and place has received far less attention. When I first encountered mention of the “Zebra killings” some years ago, the term was completely unfamiliar to me, and due to the similarities in name and location, I initially wondered whether it might be an alternate designation for the Zodiac attacks. But despite the chronological and geographical overlap, the Zebra case was actually quite different, and given its explosive details the almost total absence of any subsequent media attention is really quite curious.

Indeed, one advantage of exploring the Zebra killings is there exists only one detailed, somewhat contemporaneous account, and a couple of years ago with my curiosity getting the better of me, I finally ordered the book from Amazon. Zebra was published in 1979 by Clark Howard, an award-winning crime writer, who drew extensively on newspaper archives, court testimony, and personal interviews, with his text running over 400 pages.

ZebraHoward The story of the Zebra killers almost sounds like something out of a movie, although no movie was ever made. For decades, the Nation of Islam—the so-called “Black Muslims”—had been preaching that whites were “devils,” the product of a mad scientist’s controlled-breeding experiment, and that killing such “devils” was a virtuous religious act. Then, some time in 1972, certain elements of the sect decided to transform religious dogma into actual practice, and began an organized campaign to randomly kill as many white men, women, and children as they could, with the attacks occurring throughout California but especially centered in the Bay Area and the city of San Francisco. One of the alleged motives was to terrorize the local whites into eventually fleeing that city, thereby allowing the establishment of a black-dominated metropolis.

The black attackers typically went out alone or in pairs to commit the killings, usually selecting any seemingly vulnerable victims on the streets at dusk or in the dark, with their weapons of choice being guns, hatchets, or machetes. Sometimes, victims were kidnapped and brought back to safe-houses to be tortured and killed by the entire group, with their bodies afterward dismembered and discarded.

According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult. Based on the number of such distinctive homicides—well-dressed black men randomly attacking whites on the street—police officials estimated that there were over 70 such killings throughout California, though based on his extensive research Howard himself believed that the true statewide total may have been close to 270 dead victims.

ORDER IT NOW

The period of the killings lasted for almost half a year, and once the newspapers and public grew aware of the situation, the city of San Francisco became gripped by a sense of terror, with public officials desperate to crack the case. Sometimes even politically-connected individuals fell victim, with future mayor Art Agnos barely surviving a random gunshot attack. In desperation, Mayor Joseph Alioto, a staunch liberal, initiated stop-and-search patrols that targeted a majority of the local population of adult black males as possible killers. Eventually, eight of the suspects were arrested with the aid of an informant, with four of these being convicted and sentenced to life, at which point the attacks ceased. But it appears that the majority of the participants were never caught, let alone punished.

Zebra may be purchased for as little as $4 on Amazon, shipping included, and also found online both as a PDF and in various other formats at Archive.org. But for those too busy to read it, a much shorter summary of the story may be found in an article entitled “Remembering the Zebra Killing” published in 2001 by conservative writer James Lubinskas, with his presentation closely matching the book’s facts, while the San Francisco Chronicle also ran a short retrospective around the time of the 2002 DC Sniper Attacks. There are also a handful of other small websites here and there, discussing the case and republishing some newspaper articles, including coverage of the Zebra killings in other cities.

Meanwhile, the events themselves have almost totally disappeared from public memory. When noted author David Talbot published his widely-praised 2012 book Season of the Witch covering that general era of San Francisco history, he included a discussion of the Zebra killings, and some knowledgeable San Francisco natives mentioned that it was the first time they had ever heard of the story. Indeed, the complete absence of any subsequent media coverage or investigation forced Talbot, a mainstream liberal, to cite an obscure white racialist blogsite devoted to the Zebra case as one of his only sources of documentary information on the wave of murders.

Not only did the Zebra killings represent the greatest instance of racially-motivated killings in modern American history, but the number of victims was quite possibly greater than the combined total for all other such examples over nearly the last 100 years of our history. Based on that reality, the near-absolute media blackout has been quite remarkably Orwellian and deeply disturbing. Prior to the development of the Internet, neither I nor almost anyone else would have ever encountered this important history, and I suspect that if anyone had presented us with the true facts back then, his claims might easily have been dismissed as the ravings of a lunatic.

 

We naively tend to assume that our media accurately reflects the events of our world and its history, but instead what we all too often see are only the tremendously distorted images of a circus fun-house mirror, with small items sometimes transformed into large ones, and large ones into small. The contours of historical reality may be warped into almost unrecognizable shapes, with some important elements completely disappearing from the record and others appearing out of nowhere. I’ve often suggested that the media creates our reality, but given such glaring omissions and distortions, the reality produced is often largely fictional. Our standard histories have always criticized the ludicrous Soviet propaganda during the height of Stalin’s purges or the Ukrainian famine, but in its own way, our own media organs sometimes seem just as dishonest and absurd in their own reporting. And until the availability of the Internet, it was difficult for most of us to ever recognize the enormity of this problem.

Just a couple of weeks ago it was discovered that an attractive white teenage girl had been kidnapped by a group of black men in Florida, held captive and gang-raped for days, then finally killed and discarded, with her body fed to alligators. I found no mention of this grotesque tale in any of my major national newspapers, even as The New York Times reported that Hollywood was in the planning stages of three different major movies about the infamous Emmett Till murder case from 60 years ago. By hiding certain events and heavily emphasizing others, our media apparatus can create any desired picture of the world, and until recently almost none of us would have been the wiser.

The Black Lives Matter movement has increasingly dominated our political discourse for the last couple of years, and its protests have led to major shifts in policing policy, with some critics claiming that these changes have been responsible for a large, unexpected spike in urban homicides in some heavily black cities. But as near as I can tell, many of the major incidents sparking that movement were more or less complete media hoaxes, and quickly revealed as such to anyone who even casually consulted the unfiltered information available on the Internet, thereby avoiding the dishonest MSM gatekeepers.

For example, Trayvon Martin seems to have been a violent young thug and his antagonist, George Zimmerman, a half-Hispanic Dudley-Do-Right, whose main offense was attempting to defend himself while at risk of being beaten to death after he was attacked late at night without provocation in his own community. Similarly, Michael Brown of Ferguson fame was a gigantic, thuggish criminal, who casually committed the strong-arm robbery of a convenience store at night, then suddenly attacked the local police officer who attempted to stop and question him soon afterward.

These and many of the other BLM incidents would hardly seem likely to inspire mass public outrage, whether among blacks or anyone else, except that our dishonest media successfully transformed them into things they were not, thereby agitating the ignorant and the gullible, with prominent media pundits sometimes themselves stunned at the total avoidance of the true facts. I have little doubt that during the 1930s Soviet Pravda managed to instill boiling outrage among ordinary Russians when it fabricated all the monstrous crimes and horrific treacheries purportedly committed by the Trotskyite wreckers and other political deviationists.

In fact, the evidence suggests that the overwhelming majority of all racially-motivated violent attacks in America each year are committed by blacks, usually against whites, though sometimes against Asians or Hispanics. But these attacks are almost always ignored by the media, while the newscasters and politicians seem almost desperate to shine a spotlight on any that occur in the opposite direction, even if they are almost nowhere to be found. Indeed, a few years ago I pointed out that for decades the statistical correlation across all our urban centers between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of serious crime has been among the highest found anywhere in the social sciences, strongly suggesting that marginal urban crime is essentially a black phenomenon. But individuals who form their view of the world primarily from our mainstream media would probably remain unaware of these important facts. Before the Internet, only gossip and rumor might have challenged media-endorsed falsehoods.

A pattern of blatant dishonesty that is too large and continues for too long produces obvious consequences. On a whole range of issues, certainly including racial ones, the American media may be fast approaching the point of possessing negative credibility, with increasing numbers of people tending to assume that the facts may be exactly opposite to what the media claims.

This is hardly unprecedented. During the 1970s I read Edgar Snow’s fascinating books on Maoist China, wherein a shrewd peasant once told the author how easy it was to disentangle reality from official news reports: if the media launched a huge propaganda campaign emphasizing the tremendous safety of Chinese railways, then surely some horrific train wreck must have recently occurred. It’s sad to consider that many Americans may be beginning to follow similar rules.

Consider a biological metaphor. When soft flesh suffers a serious wound, scar tissue protectively forms, and the eventual result is a new skin integument usually tougher and more resistant than the original. Thus, long after the damage has been repaired, left behind is a permanent, telltale marker of defensive overcompensation. Media narratives aimed at hiding unpleasant facts sometimes seem to follow that same pattern of overcompensation, producing an inverted reality that may provide a useful clue to the suppressed truth.

For example, last year I published an article examining the considerable evidence that John McCain’s true wartime record in Vietnam may have been one of a notorious enemy collaborator, but that the dishonest effort to obscure or excuse the reality of his treachery took on a life of its own, and growing enormously over time, eventually established him in the mind of the public as one of America’s most patriotic war-heroes.

Or consider the fascinating historical case of Emmett Till, mentioned earlier, whose murder in 1955 became the archetypal case of an innocent black youngster lynched by murderous Southern whites, perhaps even lending some inspiration to Harper Lee’s public school classic To Kill a Mockingbird. There was enormous national media coverage of the Till murder, which uniformly reported that the black fourteen-year-old child had merely made rude and provocative remarks to the young wife of a white shopkeeper—a “Wolf whistle”—leading to his abduction and brutal killing. Yet oddly enough, only long afterward did it emerge out that his father, a violent criminal, had been executed for multiple rapes and murder, and that Till himself, weighing 150 pounds and quite large and muscular for his age, also had a violent history. Indeed, these facts had remained totally unknown to me until quite recently.

When we discover that the media has shamelessly concealed certain potentially significant details, we may naturally wonder what else might have remained permanently hidden in those pre-Internet days. I’ve sometimes wondered whether Till’s actions may have been far more substantial than merely a harmless “wolf whistle,” perhaps even amounting to some sort of sexual assault, with his killing therefore being the sort of rough justice not uncommon in backward rural communities. Under such a hypothetical scenario, the husband of his victim would surely have made every effort to conceal from public knowledge the terrible indignity of the actual attack his wife had suffered. Perhaps such disturbing speculation is mistaken, but given the revealed pattern of deception, I do not think it is entirely unwarranted. In pre-Internet days, Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown might have easily joined Till in the roster of tragically martyred youngsters.

A long history of overwhelming media dishonesty may produce broader consequences that many may find distressing. The public remarks of Donald Trump often seem quite ignorant or even ridiculous, and surely no presidential candidate in the last one hundred years has been subjected to such strong and uniformly hostile media coverage. Yet the insular members of the Fourth Estate have been stunned that their endless attacks and denunciations have had so little impact upon public opinion, with Trump having recently regained the national lead in several presidential polls. Surely journalists must realize that decades of deceit have stretched their credibility past the breaking point on a whole range of sensitive issues, with huge numbers of voters simply disregarding anything said about Trump in what they consider “the lying press.”

Once Americans conclude that our supposedly objective media functions merely as a corrupt propaganda machine, why should the statements of prominent establishment pundits or reporters count for anything more than the sarcastic Tweets of some angry, anonymous blogger? Those who have allowed the currency of journalistic integrity to become totally debased have only themselves to blame when they discover it is no longer accepted by the general public.

 
The American Pravda Series
Hide 534 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
    []
  1. I usually love Unz’s articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material. While you are right about michael brown robbing the store owner, nothing suggests trayvon martin was in the wrong for attacking zimmerman. Imagine being stalked, walking home from a grocery store, by a creepy, violent, armed man. By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor. Nothing suggests emmet till sexually harassed anyone, even if his dad was a rapist

    On the Klan, an interesting angle might be it’s collaboration-during the progressive era-with the US government. The Klan had a lot of cross membership with the ultrapatriotic, WASP supremacist, pro-war American Protective League. The Klan enthusiastically supported ww1, prohibition, public education, eugenics, and other programs of the political establishment. An article on the klan’s pro-ww1 activites, and it’s alliance with woodrow wilson’s blackshirts, the APL, would be interesting.

  2. During ww2, some klansman-like lewis button-even collaborated with the government against opponents of the war http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/p/jpj1/hoods.htm They were joined by rabidly anti-catholic socialists- like warmongerer kenneth leslie, whose rhetoric about germany resembles hannity’s about iran

  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The white iSteve crowd here will probably take from this article “Why is the white man always being targeted etc etc.”

    But those whites, and apparently not Unz himself, care to dig deeper and find out why this is the case. What group would benefit from this arrangement?

    Why keep antogonizing blacks and why keep blaming white people? Just look at who actually started the KKK. It was a Jew who started it to trap all those angry white iSteve types into hating blacks and to serve their role in creating a boogeyman the elites could use.

  4. and yet Obama hands off the internet to international institutions, out from under the protective cover of that meddlesome first amendment

  5. @Bob Johnson

    its true that Zimmerman should have “backed down”, but there was no reason for Martin to assault him. If someone follows you from a distance, you don’t turn around and deliberately confront them, and then attack them

    that kind of terrible judgement, and the subsequent details of Martin’s life revealed through the fiasco showed that Martin really was a low-life thug and a criminal waiting to happen, and that Zimmerman’s instincts about Martin being trouble were correct from the beginning.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    , @ben tillman
  6. @Anonymous

    Your basic position is the discredited libertarian nonsense

    here the leftists are correct: your colorblindness, your desire to “be the world” and sing kumbaya, against those amorphous “elites” is an example of white privilege.

  7. Great article , Ron! The best I’ve read from you so far. Kudos!

    I don’t have time for a lengthy comment at the moment, but I’m going to reread this piece (to enjoy it again, and to make sure I didn’t accidentally miss anything) tomorrow and comment on the important points you brought to light.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Smith
  8. Sam J. says:

    “… By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor…”

    So if White people, or Mexicans or mixed race people, follow Blacks they should have their heads pounded into concrete?

    Good to know and certainly clarifies the differences between the races.

    • Replies: @josh
  9. @Bob Johnson

    Nah, fuck Trayon. He was in the neighborhood to steal, he didn’t live there. Like with the cop and Michael Brown, Zimmerman was an inconvenience to his prowling and he was enraged because: Black privilege to steal. And like Michael Brown, the criminal Travon assaulted someone he shouldn’t have and got what was coming to him like any thug. The jury let Zimmerman go. But the cops knew what they knew, they covered it, cowed by the press as they were. Furthermore, the Black-run Federal government, try as mightily as they possibly could to blame the cop, had to admit the truth, much too late as even they knew the truth immediately (never waste a good opportunity). They KNEW Michael Brown, from the start of the investigation, initiated the fight with the cop. But to allow plenty of time for #Blacklivesmatter and all that came from that, they withheld the truth. The Feds knew from the outset that “Hands up don’t shoot” was a fucking lie and they held out the truth for months.

    Spare us your platitudes about disagreeable material. Dragging out the benign WASPS is ridiculous. This is Black America at it’s finest and YOUR objections on the reportage is just more coverup. You are of the very same reprehensible element that would put the mothers of certified criminal psychopaths on the stage of the Democrat National Convention. These are the mothers of criminal Blacks justifiably killed in righteous police shootings by those commissioned to protect us. And these mothers are celebrated for the monsters THEY created that the arm of the law put down. Don’t turn reality upside down, Bob. This is 2016, not the KKK of the 40s-70s, who were all Democrats in any case.

    • Agree: Che Guava, Alden
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    , @Ace
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A really well-paced, sequential argument.

    • Replies: @Ralph Raico
  11. Bob Johnson is totally clueless about the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman did nothing wrong. He was violently attacked by Martin and merely defended himself when (the 17 year-old, 6 foot tall “child”) Martin tried to kill him. That’s the reason the jury declared Zimmerman not guilty. Even the media’s lynch mob hysteria couldn’t overwhelm the clear facts of the case.

  12. The liberal media’s obsession with the KKK, to the point where is regarded with the same horror as the Waffen SS, is probably down to the scary visuals – the ghost-like masks, haunting chants and burning crosses. No doubt these were intended to scare black petty criminals and other targets of the KKK, but they probably ended up scaring everyone else as well.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  13. @Bob Johnson

    I usually love Unz’s articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material.

    I’d have to second that. I have also found Ron’s articles to be consistently very worthwhile, but this one is really a very bad article. It made me cringe to read it. On the Trayvon Martin thing, I think a fair-minded assessment is that we simply don’t know what happened. There were two people who did know. One is dead and the other has every reason to be less than truthful.

    I think the worst aspect of the article is his treatment of this Zebra murders case. This recently came to my attention because Steve Sailer alluded to it. I had not heard of the case. I went and looked at the wikipedia page and did some googling and it immediately struck me that the official version of events must be a total fiction. I wrote a response to that here:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/gerald-early-on-muhammad-ali/#comment-1443598

    Sailer never deigned to respond to me. Ron writes here:

    According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult.

    The above looks utterly preposterous to me. What really happened is something quite different, I assume. For starters, it looks impossible simply because all of these groups are (and were) completely infiltrated by agents of the State.

    But, in general, the idea that people went to a temple or mosque, a place of worship, and were recruited to kill random white people and then they were going to have their pictures put on the wall…. a person with a certain level of BDQ has to be skeptical of such a narrative, I think.

    Look, the business of the Nation of Islam having some weird theology where they say that white folks are collectively the devil or the spawn of the devil — that really has nothing to do with the notion that the NOI was actively encouraging their members to go kill random white people. The rank and file of NOI, as far as I can tell, are actually quite law abiding religious people. Even leaving aside the issue that all these groups were infiltrated and could not conduct a killing campaign over a period of half a year without the authorities knowing about it, the whole notion that, within the NOI, they are openly discussing killing random white people and everybody there is somehow okay with that — this is all preposterous, and that Ron Unz takes this at face value is rather cringeworthy.

    My reading of the situation is that the Zebra murders were a Deep State psyop since it is impossible for a group like NOI to just be plotting and carrying out these murders without the organs of the State knowing about it. Certainly not for half a year. Probably the people they did ultimately imprison were patsies of some sort and framed for it. If that is the case, and the real killers were never caught, that could well be because there was no intention of catching them. If this was a psyop, as I suspect, the reason is obvious. It gives them a pretext for a violent crackdown on this group that they don’t like. Okay, it doesn’t seem that such a crackdown followed, but they would have been setting up the narrative.

    All the above said, as in the Trayvon Martin case, I simply don’t know what really did happen. However, I see no sign that Ron Unz does either.

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Got a source for that allegation?

    Fascinating article in any case.

  15. Ron,

    Thanks for bringing light on this important story from the past.

    The Zebra Killers made headlines in the SF Chronicle during the time that I was separated from my wife and young daughter (2 years old). They were living in the City while I was located in Fresno for a couple of years, and, believe me, I became very concerned and upset as San Francisco seemed enveloped by a spate of murders commited by blacks against whites there.

    I had no idea that similar was happening in other parts of the state, and was incredibly relieved when the Chron announced that the killers had been caught. I don’t know why more of these killings weren’t brought to light then, and more of the killers were not pursued. It is of concern to me that this was not done. Thanks for pointing to the book: I will check it out.

    I was back living in San Francisco during most of the Zodiac killings, and would, through the years after they stopped, periodically read an article (again) in the Chronicle speculating on possible suspects (I think the prime one was a guy who had suffered a serious head injuly in a car accident that the detectives still on the case may have provoked homocidal tendencies, yet the “suspect” had died before they could take it any further).

    So, I can tell you that both of these cases received a lot of press and attention at the time they were ongoing. But you are right to point out that only the Zodiac case was made into a feature film and had many books written about it, while the much more terrorizing (with higher body count) Zebra killings case has fallen into the memory hole.

    I’ve lived long enough and in enough large American cities to be acutely aware of black crime and violent behavior, but I must say I haven’t taken the time to frame it in a way to really think about it until just the past few years.

    It’s an issue, an important issue, something that should be on the tip of everyone’s tongues, black and white, and yet people, including myself in times past, have turned away from it. It’s not just the press. And it’s not just white guilt or liberal tolerance either. I don’t understand it, either, but I hope that it becomes more prominent in the public square from now on.

    How can we deal with a social problem if we ignore it and don’t talk about it honestly and bluntly?

  16. Randal says:

    So under this particular victimological standard, the 15 victims of the KKK over the two decades from 1950 more reasonably justify the massive attention they have received.

    A rather tightly restricted usage of “reasonably justify”, I think.

    A pattern of blatant dishonesty that is too large and continues for too long

    This better covers the aberrant victimological standard to which you referred earlier. It is pretty clear that there are reasons for this remarkably consistent pattern of exaggerating white on black crime and suppressing news of black on white, and even black on black, crime. It’s not an accident that powerful groups in the societies of the US sphere have adopted this practice and either co-opted or coerced the media wholesale into the ongoing manipulation of politics and society.

    On a whole range of issues, certainly including racial ones, the American media may be fast approaching the point of possessing negative credibility, with increasing numbers of people tending to assume that the facts may be exactly opposite to what the media claims.

    But this only applies, so far at least, to a cynical, sharper minority and to those (many of them in the powerless underclass) who have really felt the sharp edge of reality, having been in the wrong place at the wrong time or been unable to escape it (in the case of the aforementioned underclass). I fear there will be a lot of too nice, mostly middle and working class children who will fall badly foul of the harsh reality that their schools and news and opinion sources will not have prepared them for.

    Those who have allowed the currency of journalistic integrity to become totally debased have only themselves to blame when they discover it is no longer accepted by the general public.

    I get the impression it’s a long time since there was even any pretence in journalistic circles of trying (even if the result is inevitably ultimately imperfect by definition) to present unbiased information, rather than a “narrative” based upon the journalist’s understanding of underlying rights and wrongs.

    Another fascinating piece, overall, thanks.

    • Replies: @Private school mom
  17. Chico says:
    @Bob Johnson

    I agree. Many if not most adolescent males in urban or suburban areas have had the unpleasant experiance of being stalked by a “chickenhawk.” Happened to me and my friends in the 1970s, This started when we were 12-13 years old, we had to run. It must be ten times worse now with gay liberation and discrimination laws.

    To Trayvon, Zimmerman probably looked like a creep stalker like Jeff Dahmer following him down an alley.

    Spoiled a good article.

  18. Randal says:
    @Bob Johnson

    nothing suggests trayvon martin was in the wrong for attacking zimmerman. Imagine being stalked, walking home from a grocery store, by a creepy, violent, armed man. By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor.

    The honest truth is that nobody knows exactly how the confrontation developed, so the only way to reach a conclusion such as yours is to make extensive assumptions and to disbelieve Zimmerman’s own account.

    Personally, given the general nature of Martin (which was, as Unz suggests, a violent, personally aggressive and physically confident young thug), Zimmerman’s account of how the actual fight began is perfectly plausible. That kind of “”who you looking at?” confrontation followed by physical aggression is commonplace amongst young thugs, and especially black ones, as anyone who’s ever been young ought to have learned from experience.

    But you are incorrect in your rather self-serving assertion that a physical confrontation of a suspected follower is the “reasonable” response. The reasonable response from somebody normal who wants to avoid unnecessary violence, if followed by a stranger at night, is either to avoid confrontation or to confront in a manner that avoids violence. As far as we know, Zimmerman had lost track of Martin before he was attacked. There was nothing we know of that would have prevented Martin from just going home safely, if he had chosen that course of action.

    As I pointed out, we have no direct knowledge of how the confrontation developed except Zimmerman’s own evidence. But the overall circumstances, of Zimmerman being a concerned, basically defensive neighbourhood watch type in his own area, and the more mature of the two, and Martin being an aggressive young thug, should give the benefit of the doubt to Zimmerman every time unless there is strong evidence to doubt it.

    Nothing suggests emmet till sexually harassed anyone, even if his dad was a rapist

    Unz’s point is clearly that it would not be at all surprising if he had, and that the pattern of US media deception means that the lack of reporting of such actions cannot be regarded as evidence to suggest that it didn’t happen.

    The standard here is not that of a trial, but rather the historical one of balance of possibilities.

  19. Phenomenal article, Ron. You’re a sovereign asset. The UnzReview is the best thing going in journalism–though that’s not as complimentary as I mean it to be!

    One quibble:

    I found these statements to be in some tension:

    1. “Meanwhile, the last time the KKK held any significant political power was almost 100 years ago, during its Midwestern heyday of the 1920s.”

    and

    2. “…the combined decades of the 1950s and 1960s, which represented the height of the Klan’s modern power.”

    Perhaps you meant something that didn’t quite come through here.

    Thanks for all your hard work!

    • Agree: Sowhat
  20. @Anonymous

    what an unworthy comment under a great article

  21. Jefferson says:

    Only 3 movies about Emmett Till? Hollywood is so anti-Black because 3 is not enough. Even Jesus Christ had more than 3 films made about him and Jesus was nowhere near Emmett’s league.

  22. edNels says:

    I’ll read it tomorrow Ron, great picture…some of my Indiana kin were members!

    If you know the photo of the lynching in Marion in the ’3o’s… I think I can pick out my Great Grandad and Great uncle in the crowd there. Not too sure, they were Cumberland Gappers, Williamsburg English…some Jews too supposedley. Up through the Cumberland Gap, stopped over in Kentucky/ Tennessee/ Virginia… that’s the folks that populated the rest of the Midwest.

  23. @Bob Johnson

    The case of “white” George Zimmerman and the “innocent” Trayvon Martin is particularly interesting.

    George Zimmerman, in fact, is so dark that wouldn’t have looked out of place in any Mexican village and yet the media still chose to describe him as “white.” This made this shooting simply another example of “white racism.”

    The pictures of George Zimmerman that were taken immediately after the shooting are quite revealing . It took a long time for the first pictures of of the injuries inflicted on Zimmerman to finally come out in the MSM. The first ones that finally appeared showed him after having been treated and cleaned and stitched up by by medical personnel, either at the scene or at an emergency room afterwards.

    In these very sanitized photos we still see some still obvious serious injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head that showed that Martin had apparently been on top of Zimmerman and had been on top of Zimmerman while banging the back of his head into the pavement. No wonder Zimmerman was upset when he shot Trayvon.

    The lack of blood in these pictures however made Zimmerman’s injuries appear less serious than they might have been. In fact this picture was finally probably but reluctantly distributed by the media specifically to downplay the actual extent of Zimmerman’s injuries.The writer of this comment apparently feels that Zimmerman should have let Martin continue to bang his head on the ground to prove that he wasn’t a racist.

    Then, another picture finally suddenly appeared after an even longer delay. It was not distributed by the MSM however, I personally discovered it during an internet search.It showed Zimmerman’s head right after the attack and before treatment. The back of his head was absolutely covered in a huge amount of blood, maybe as much as a half or full pint When I first saw it I was reminded me of one of the more gruesome wound you see in war movies.. Trayvon had in fact apparently been beating the hell out of the weak and puggy Zimmerman. Very few people have ever been shown this far bloodier picture since it never appeared in the MSM.. The MSM had totally censored it. This bloody picture was undoubtedly a major factor in Zimmerman being acquitted at his criminal trial.

    Then the question must be what exactly was Zimmerman doing out there in the first place bothering outstanding citizens like Trayvon? Was he walking around just to be mean to black folks?

    Actually , he was a member of a “neighborhood watch” group that was attempting to counter a staggering rise in the number of black on white crimes that were occurring with increasingly frequency against the non black members of the Ferguson community. I seem to remember that there had been over 2400 property crimes and physical attacks in recent times committed n this middle class, racially mixed neighborhood. by the members of the nearby ghetto. I remember reading that some white residents reported having been burglarized five (or more) times over a fairly short period of time . Zimmerman was patrolling simply because of this increasing crime wave was making living in Ferguson for whites simply untenable. The white folks were desperate. Hence the citizen patrols.

    But it was already simply too late, It was increasingly futile and dangerous for him to even be making his patrol rounds and the MSM has now made this futility complete. Now Ferguson has become yet another failed black majority community, sor of like a mini east Oakland. The whites have now apparently disappeared but only after having sold their houses at firesale prices.

  24. Once again, Ron Unz lets the facts speak for themselves, as he did years ago with his study indicating that violent crime rates by Mexicans in the US would be similar to rates by white Americans if age demographics were factored in. (Mexicans having a higher proportion of young men, a category more prone to crime than other age groups.)

    “Progressives” nevertheless will tend to object to this article’s conclusions as much if not more vehemently than many conservatives did to the counter-intuitive conclusions about Mexican crime rates. They will be inclined to dismiss it as an apology for the KKK. Facts can interfere with a social need for acceptance in the community of the “enlightened.” One cheap entry into that community is through ostentatious disassociation with one’s own ethnic or cultural roots, even when the sins of the latter are entirely blown out of proportion and the achievements underplayed.

    I’ve frequently quoted diplomat/historian George F. Kennan’s observation about the “self-flagellating conscience of the west.” It comes across as less populist than the current “ethno-masochism” explanation for the mea culpa compulsion among Europeans and Americans of European heritage. But it describes a rather peculiar western phenomenon that social psychologists should and might pay more attention to – if their own academic discipline itself were not so ideologically burdened by the phenomenon.

    As Ron Unz points out, the field of journalism has been similarly corrupted. The internet is a bit like the cliché of the old Wild West with many shooting from the hip. But it does indeed offer a ray of hope that more honest journalism uninhibited by the pressures of political correctness will increasingly make its mark.

  25. I just read this related piece about memory-holed racially motivated violence in the New Yorker:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/19/a-buried-coup-detat-in-the-united-states?mbid=social_twitter

    One more thing:

    I object to your characterization of the Emmett Till murder. Though his father’s criminality is indeed ironic, I don’t think it has much bearing on the matter at hand. It would, for instance, be immediately be ruled as inadmissible and prejudicial in court. And rightly so. (And, yes, I do believe blacks are genetically more prone to criminality!)

    Emmett Till’s cousins were with him, if memory serves. It doesn’t seem at all likely that this white woman was raped or even assaulted in such a grave way that would have extenuated the brutal manner in which that boy was murdered.

  26. “… the near-absolute media blackout has been quite remarkably Orwellian and deeply disturbing.”

    Not really … this is how the ruling class hope to keep the lid on a pot that always seems close to boiling over. In the old days, letting it boil over would have led to ethnic cleansing or even genocide, but if you delay and pray long enough while you re-balance the ethnic makeup of he nation, then you merely get civil war. The again, look at the ethnic cleansing going on in SoCal; seems there isn’t as much solidarity among the oppressed classes as the elite might have hoped to achieve.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  27. “Silent Majority” whites: the sleeping giant that seems to be doing a Rip Van Winkle.

    Thanks for the “Zebra” tip. I’d never heard of the case, but now have the book.

    The KKK: seventy million?! That would have been a bit less than half the entire US population in 1955! Surely this can’t be correct? I’ve always imagined them as a fringe group of men in silly costumes, but now I have another topic to investigate, although not with Wikipedia, given its also not-always-objective portrayal of topics.

    “Communism never came to America in serious form”. Not as an openly declared organization, no. The CPUSA was outlawed as a political party in the early 50s if memory serves, but cultural Marxism was and still is very much present, particularly in the media and educational establishments. Mr. Unz deserves kudos for his work in exposing the extent of it.

    • Replies: @unadorned
  28. @Anonymous

    By your logic, black thuggery is to be excused because ultimately some Jew “antagonized” them into doing it? And likewise, all it takes for White americans to work against their self-interest is a cunning Jew?
    That’s precisely the sort of dumb reasoning that cripples nationalism. I have vastly more in common with Mr Unz (a jew) than globalists like the Clintons (whites). In fact, there’s nothing more useful than a Jew with proper ideals – because unlike Whites they can’t be disregarded by liberals and their far-fetched Holocaust-associations.
    Thanks for the article and a great website.

  29. Gail says:

    Ron Unz disappoints me in this article, he’s supposed to be so smart and rational but the level of irrationality displayed in some parts of this article is stunning and so disappointing. Let me just pick one example to dissect, here’s an excerpt from the article:

    There was enormous national media coverage of the Till murder, which uniformly reported that the black fourteen-year-old child had merely made rude and provocative remarks to the young wife of a white shopkeeper—a “Wolf whistle”—leading to his abduction and brutal killing. Yet oddly enough, only long afterward did it emerge out that his father, a violent criminal, had been executed for multiple rapes and murder, and that Till himself, weighing 150 pounds and quite large and muscular for his age, also had a violent history

    So in the first part of the statement, Unz makes it sound like the media downplayed the severity of Till’s offense towards the white lady, but then he gives no evidence of what the supposedly more serious offense was. He points out Till’s father was a convicted murderer. Unz doesn’t mention that his dad was put to death in 1945, when Emmett was 4 years old. Exactly how much influence could his murdering/rapist dad have had on him? And HOW is that relevant to Emmett Till’s case?? Unz also points out Emmett was a large, scary 150 lb beast – lol, last time I checked, 150 lb is not big, I’m 180 lb and I wouldn’t be considered scary by a long shot. Unz also points out he had a violent history, without providing details or explaining how any of that is relevant to his encounter with the white woman. Besides, if even all these things were true, it’s still hard to argue that being lynched and murdered is a justifiable and understandable punishment for verbally harassing someone.

  30. @Jonathan Revusky

    Ahh, the Revusky school of reasoning: “I know nothing, but my intuition tells me I’m right”
    Like some contemporary shaman of the internet.

  31. @Melchizidek

    the judiciary system is something different from journalism, social science or history. In court there are very high thresholds to sentence somebody, and it is good that this thresholds exist. Yet truth is more than what is legally true. What everybody is interested is interested in is the bigger picture, the general patterns.
    Those people who have made a legend out of Emmet Till for decades know this aswell, as they want to draw the well-known bigger picture of a little bit more than equal, a little bit more human, healthy and good black people vs wicked white people. It is not necessary to legally “prove” that Till actually raped the alleged victim, it is enough to show that once again a seemingly simple case could be something else than most people believe.
    Simple probabilistic thinking then leads to to conclusion that when those high-profile model-cases might show a picture of black violence with non-zero likelihood, than the general picture might even more so lean in this direction.

  32. Tuskegee remains the single most complete source of statistics and records on this crime since 1882. As of 1959, which was the last time that their annual Lynch Report was published, a total of 4,733 persons had died as a result of lynching since 1882.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States#Statistics

    The KKK is associated in the public mind with lynching (and beating) of black people. Yes, the magnitude of their crimes is overstated but understating it does not help.

    Trayvon Martin was stalked by a violence prone and armed George Zimmerman. Zimmerman was acting against the instructions of local police. When Martin turned to stand his ground he was murdered by Zimmerman.

    You could have made your point without understating the crimes of the KKK or making a hero/victim of George Zimmerman.

    And Anonymous asks a pertinent question. “Why keep antagonizing blacks and why keep blaming white people?” Who benefits from identity politics Mr Unz? Race realists could, by extension, be class realists as well.

  33. Anonym says:

    A tour de force, Ron.

  34. Unz is the best site, period, left or right, that I have experienced. The level of discourse, and the relative freedom to express it. The authors are top shelf. Mr. Unz writes with exceptional clarity, logic, and detail. All in all, a real pleasure and asset in a World gone mad, mediocre, and venal.

  35. @WorkingClass

    Working Class: You simply lied, ignored accepted findings and evidence. Your drivel is nothing more than a fiction and agitprop. You choose to ignore the larger point of the article. If you think lying and manipulative falsehoods are a benefit to Blacks, then you are delusional and weak-minded.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  36. @Gail

    And now we have an avalanche of Black on White violence, homicide, and rape, and Black on Black as well. As a White, ask me which society I would rather live in.

    • Replies: @Insipidwhitetrash
  37. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most of these race legends fall apart when inspected closely. The woman in the Till case was apparently so agitated that she ran from her store, where the incident took place, to her vehicle to get the gun that was in it. Does that sound like only a ‘wolf-whistle’ was at issue? Her husband was later out looking for Till with the assistance of his friend JW Washington, a black man, which sort of takes the air out of the race angle.
    There’s been a number of spinoffs from the cult ideology of the Zebra killers. Illinois had the De Mau Mau group who are known to have killed at least nine whites but who knows what the actual numbers are. Looking it up there’s apparently a much larger number of these sorts of cases, some cult-like and others just crude hate killings. A person chronicling all of it would find it to be a full-time job.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Alden
  38. MQ says:
    @WorkingClass

    Yes, I wondered why Ron didn’t look up the easily available statistics on lynchings. About 3,400 of those lynchings were of black people — a number far higher than the 15 murders he ascribes to the KKK. It doesn’t justify some of the other reality distortions he mentions, but it gives a much better understanding of how violence was used to uphold the old Southern system.

  39. Excellent article, Mr Unz. I particularly liked your comment about Wikipedia’s article on the Ku Klux Klan being twice the size of their article on Communism. Anyone tempted to regard Wikipedia seriously need only be directed to this. Keep up the good work, even if some of your wet blanket commenters still need to be properly enlightened about the truth concerning black violence and criminality.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  40. George says:

    “the 1950s and 1960s, which represented the height of the Klan’s modern power”

    Based on my knowledge: A Formal KKK organization existed during reconstruction and a second comedic KKK revival appears either with the Stone Mountain etching, or the movie Birth of a Nation and ends with WWII *. Nostalgia-ists constantly try to revive everything, but no Klan exists after WWII just like the Nazi party of Germany and Fascist party of Italy cease to exist. And the Communist party of Russia ceases to exist after 1990.

    The Second Klan is fairly non violent for a political movement, although at this time America might have been such a non violent place, their outbursts seemed shocking. Unmentioned is the the second Klan was mostly concerned about Roman Catholic influence and immigration to the US. You can read their propaganda, for example the books of Alma Bridwell White.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma_Bridwell_White

    The wp page claims she was antisemetic without any mention of what she did. I read one of her books “Restoration of Israel: The Hope of the World”. Crazy maybe, but not anti semetic.

    * Leo Frank most likely was not lynched by the Klan which did not exist when he was killed.

  41. metoo says:

    There is a need for an objective summary of racial killings, i.e. black on white, white on black. Problematic to include only unjustified killings, e.g. Zebra. Better to include all. Time period arbitrary; 1900 to present by decade would work.

  42. fnn says:
    @WorkingClass

    It doesn’t clarify matters to conflate lynching as a phenomenon with “the KKK” (which was never a centralized organization like, for example, the CPUSA even at its most organized in the 1920s). Also, about one-third of lynching victims were whites who were killed because of their (alleged) ordinary criminal activity.

    “Zimmerman was acting against the instructions of local police.”

    Maybe Zimmerman didn’t know he was living in a police state.

  43. Big Bill says:

    Ron, Google “Emmett Till trial transcript”. There is lots more information.

    Interesting facts (from recent memory): Emmett boasted to his young black friends how he fscked white women in Chicago. He went into the country store to show off to his buddies. He asked the young white wife for a “date”, and when she moved away from him, he either grabbed her arm or pushed her up against the counter, saying “Don’t worry, I been with [i. e. fscked] white women before.” She pulled away and retreated. He left with his friends and drove off.

    Neither the wife or her mother-in-law (also at the store) told anyone. However, Emmett’s black friends circulated the story (doubtless boosting Emmett’s street cred!) so widely that by the time the husband got back to town from his business trip, some Negro youth approached him and told him what happened.

    The husband angrily confronted his wife and extracted the full story. Later, he gathered a white buddy and two or three black hired hands. The black men got in the back of a pickup truck, the white buddy and the husband in the front, and they went looking for Emmett. At least one black eyewitness said they saw the pickup with the black men in the back restraining Emmett Till going down the road.

    The trial transcripts really flesh the story out. What we need is a REAL Emmett Till movie. I am sure we won’t get one. Emmett was a big mouth braggart who thought he was still in Chicago chasing white women. His mother warned him to behave, but he just wouldn’t.

    His death is an honor killing, that’s all. It is the same as the countless honor killings between blacks in the ghetto that occur to this very day. Once the black community started spreading the story around (particularly to the husband!), Emmett’s fate was sealed.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Anon
  44. Randal says:
    @MQ

    Yes, I wondered why Ron didn’t look up the easily available statistics on lynchings

    He might well have looked them up (and he surely is aware of them), but most probably he didn’t mention them in this article because he was writing about KKK killings (there are clear clues you might have spotted in the title and in the content – for instance the fact that he referenced the Wikipedia article on the KKK), rather than about lynchings or murders in general.

  45. A good article, but Ron makes the mistake of being rational (focusing on death tolls), when everyone knows the real crime of the KKK pertains to thought, not to mention those spoooooky outfits. This makes them 1000 times worse than Stalin and Pol Pot combined, according to Hillary supporters. Except in Robert Byrd’s case; that was a youthful indescretion.

  46. imbroglio says:
    @Anonymous

    I thought the Klan was founded on Christmas Eve, 1865, in Tennessee, by Gen. Bedford Forrest and a few ex-Confederate soldiers.

    Who was the Jew?

    • Replies: @WTF
  47. Randal says:
    @WorkingClass

    Trayvon Martin was stalked by a violence prone and armed George Zimmerman….When Martin turned to stand his ground he was murdered by Zimmerman.

    LOL! You have no reasons beyond (ironically, but not surprisingly) prejudice to assume Martin was “standing his ground”. The latter does not include aggressively confronting someone with a variant of the universal thug’s characteristic “who you looking at?” followed by physical violence, which is what happened according to the only witness account (Zimmerman’s, obviously) we have of what happened.

    Nor is there any reason to suppose Martin had the slightest legitimate reason to fear for his life. As far as we are aware Martin had no knowledge Zimmerman was even armed until he had already attacked Zimmerman and was on top of him, beating him.

    If Martin had acted reasonably, either just going home once he had lost Zimmerman (just before he chose instead to confront him aggressively), or simply approaching him with reasonable conversation, then as far as we are aware there is no reason to suppose both men would not have been able to return to their homes perfectly safely.

    Zimmerman was acting against the instructions of local police.

    He was acting against the cowardly and self-serving advice of a police telephone operative presumably following corporate policy to advise people not to protect their property for fear of lawsuits against said police for not doing so. He was, on the other hand, doing exactly what decent citizens in a good society do do, which is to investigate potentially suspicious strangers in their own residential area.

    Good for him. The more of us who do so, the better.

    And the more aggressive thugs like Martin who die as a result of their own lack of self control and personal aggression, the better for society as a whole as a deterrent effect, if we can just somehow cure the present problem of media and others such as yourself immediately trying to defend them and demonise the good guys, for political manipulation reasons, or perhaps out of some personal mental sickness.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  48. schmenz says:

    Jeffrey Dahmer, the Queer that made Milwaukee Famous.

    • LOL: Alden
  49. Marcus says:

    The thing about lynchings is that there were no local PD’s in most small towns at the time, just a sheriff at most, so communal justice was the norm.

    • Replies: @unadorned
  50. @Gail

    “He points out Till’s father was a convicted murderer. Unz doesn’t mention that his dad was put to death in 1945, when Emmett was 4 years old. Exactly how much influence could his murdering/rapist dad have had on him?”

    Thar depends on whether you think behaviours can be inherited.

    There’s a lot of nit-picking with Mr Unz’s given examples, but I don’t think anyone can deny that white-on-black crime gets far more airtime and space than black-on-white crime. No one in the UK has ever heard of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, for example, just as no one in the US has heard of Kriss Donald. Google his name, then Stephen Lawrence’s, to see the difference in coverage.

  51. josh says:
    @Sam J.

    Did he follow after he was told that he didn’t “need to do that” (not ordered to stop btw)? If you listen to the 911 call on youtube, Zimmerman is running and breathing heavily, after he is told he doesn’t need to follow, he stops running and breathing heavily and tell the 911 operator that he has lost visual contact with Martin. So at what point does Zimmerman follow Martin after being told to stop?

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  52. Lynchings

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

    White 1297
    Black 3445
    Total 4742

    A disparity that understates black comparative predilection for violent crime today.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  53. @Jim Christian

    In much the same fashion the Klan actually devoted most of its efforts to paying a night time “spiritual adjustment” visit to some white trash guy who was pissing his money away on booze, card games and whores while his wife and children went barefoot and hungry, Bob Johnson is in desperate need of an unexpected nocturnal visit.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  54. OldMan says:

    There is not, and never has been, any one organization identifiable as THE Ku Klux Klan; there have been and continue to be, various similar but distinct organizations existing concurrently; at present it’s doubtful that the combined membership of all these groups exceeds 1000.

    Just thought I’d throw that in, folks.

  55. @Anonymous

    This seems quite inconsiztent with the media suppression that Ron notes.

  56. Rurik says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    OK JR,

    Since we’re usually in agreement, I’ll bounce my thoughts on this into the blogosphere..

    This is a brave and powerful article by Mr. Unz. It touches on a verboten subject and eviscerates and holds high the dripping entrails of the Orwellian mendacity enshrouding the length and breath of our entire society, from top to bottom. – That there is a knee-jerk hostility to Western (white) culture and people emanating out of all of our cultural institutions (and especially Hollywood) is so plainly obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that we all just take it for granted.

    That the rape and murder (and horrific treatment) of that teenage white girl wasn’t reported in the news isn’t going to raise eyebrows anywhere. We all know that’s how it works. It’s a one way street. If a black person is a victim, (or even if they aren’t, as in the case of the Duke “rapists”, or Travon, or Michael Brown, etcetera ad nauseam.. ) the media will shriek hysterically for days on end, until the whole world! (literally) knows about the Duke “rapists” or the numinous Travon, with his picture at 12 years old. Obama’s son.

    But if it’s a white victim, like the young people who died during the Wichita massacre, or Channon Christian and her boyfriend, then no one will have ever heard of them outside the local news.

    It goes like this with every crime and even historical events. Everything is filtered through the sieve of political correctness.

    Have you ever heard of the Holocaust JR? It seems to me there was a movie, or perhaps even two that were made about that event, yet there were over a hundred million victims of communism during the 20th century. Now, I can’t remember the names of all those movies they made about the Holodomor (the genocide of white Christians by the millions by starvation). Didn’t Steven Spielberg direct and Harvey Weinstein produce that big budget one?

    Have you ever heard about the black slavery that was once practiced in this country JR?

    I think they made a movie about it, if I’m not mistaken. But how many movies have they made about the genocidal treatment of innocent German civilians (who died by the millions after the second war was over). How many movies have they made about the monstrous and historical war crime of Dresden JR?

    Is it possible that our cultural institutions, and the media in particular- are in the hands of a people with a near monolithic contempt (hatred) for all things German? and consider their suffering and deaths by the millions to be of no consequence or concern? Just like the little white girl who is gang raped for days on end and then fed to alligators- when the sub-humans got done with her.

    Indeed, I suspect that right now, reading these words I’m typing, there is a very large percentage of people who’re far more 0utraged at my characterization of these savage animals as “sub-humans” than they are at the incomprehensible suffering of that little girl, (and her loved ones). And that is all part of our carefully constructed programming. We’re more sensitive to racial epitaphs than to a girl being fed to alligators.

    And all of that is to be expected. Because they don’t do what they do for nothing JR. All of our memes and paradigms and narratives that make us all think and feel about events and the world around us are all part of our programming. None of us are born knowing the truth about the world and our place in it. We rely first on our parents and family to understand the world, and then on the media, the print and radio and television, (and only recently the Internet). So if the media, is (and I use the singular present tense verb ‘is’ deliberately) telling us that most all young, black teenage males are desperately trying to graduate and get their degrees so they can rise above all the racism that permeates our (irredeemably racist) society but then almost always while in their prime, and unarmed and walking around with their hands up and pleading not to get shot at least this one time- by yet another racist white [redundant] man with a gun, (often but not always with a badge too)- then this meme will take hold. It’s guaranteed to, and that of course is the point.

    Now just for the record, there are racist white (and black and brown, etc..) men. And there are criminals and thugs and even murderers with guns and badges. But from what I’ve glimmered, most of America’s cops, while being far too arrogant and thuggish, are nominally professionals. And if you, the reader, had to pick between your family’s health and well being at the at the mercy of your typical urban young black men in America vs. the police, well then I can tell you that I know the streets, and I know Detroit and Miami, and there are places that they’d cut you to pieces as much as look at you. We get a very skewed version of reality from our msm, than exists in the real world, let me tell ya.

    And what follows is the obvious question why?

    Anyone with two peanuts rolling around in their noggins knows that Jews overwhelmingly own and control our msm. Duh. So the question becomes why do they treat white Americans with such overt hostility? Why are we (especially white, straight, southern, Christian men) always depicted as evil or pathetic- always deplorable? And irredeemable?

    (Perhaps not always, of course. But that is the meme. And we all know it).

    Is this hostility cultural, religious, or something more intractable?

    are the Jews that control our media infused with a deep distrust of white, Christian men – as congenital, if latent Nazis? Is that why they relentlessly foist non-white immigration on all white nations? Are they trying to protect themselves from a future potential holocaust by eliminating the threat in advance? What are the chances they might be creating the threat where none exists- with their ‘cure’?

    Anyways, sorry for ruminating here on larger philosophical ramblings, but this article for me brings up important and extremely relevant questions.

  57. Hepp says:

    Wonderful article.

    We hear of young black men and their complaints about being stereotyped as violent. But that’s like complaining about the stereotype that the sky is blue or that water is wet. If any man said “I’m sad because I get stereotyped as more violent than a woman” people would laugh at him, and rightly so. Black men, as a group, rob, rape, and kill in astronomical numbers. Instead of worrying about this fact and trying to do something about it, the media focuses on the natural and inevitable consequence that people will develop stereotypes about this fact.

    Liberals’ belief in racial equality is so absurd and so contradicted by reason that, like communist economics, it requires nonstop censorship and propaganda for anyone to believe it.

  58. utu says:
    @WorkingClass

    “Race realists could, by extension, be class realists as well.” – This is too much to ask from race realists. Race realists and all the racists among them are serving designed for them purpose in the greater scheme of divide and rule played by the top caste.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @WorkingClass
  59. dahoit says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Zimmerman was half Jewish right?
    He certainly doesn’t strike me as having any righteous character,and with all the subsequent crap he’s done, I wouldn’t believe him an iota.

  60. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @WorkingClass

    And Anonymous asks a pertinent question. “Why keep antagonizing blacks and why keep blaming white people?” Who benefits from identity politics Mr Unz? Race realists could, by extension, be class realists as well.

    Why did the British carry on divide-and-conquer policies among Indians?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/07/has-israel-effectively-colonized-the-united-states/

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  61. Rehmat says:

    The notorious KKK’s record of burning Blacks pales to the victims of Las Vegas Jewish crime mafia.

    Interestingly, while the America’s Jewish-controlled politicians and media never stop demonizing Dr. David Duke for supporting Donald Trump – they glorify members of their tribal murderers and looters.

    In 2012, the Jewish Mayor of Las Vegas Carolyn Goodman opened to public ‘The National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement’ on February 15, honoring some of America’s most notorious Jewish mobsters. The museum is located in downtown Las Vegas, a city created by crime gangsters. The project was her husband, the former Mayor of Las Vegas, Oscar Goodman. The museum has already picked a rightful name: the Mob Museum. Watch a video below.

    Oscar Baylin Goodman, former attorney of many top Jewish crime bosses. In 2010, Goodman called Obama “someone with psychological hang-up” for advising Americans not to waste their hard-earned money on gambling and prostitution. Goodman is in favor of legalized prostitution to increase city’s tax income.

    Goodman’s Jewish gangster clients included Meyer Lansky, Frank ‘Lefty’ Rosenthal and Herbert Blitzstein. The other well-known Jewish gansters were Bugsy Siegal, Longy Zwillman, Dutch Schultz, Abraham Twist Kid Reles, Pep Strauss, Mendy Weiss, Gurrah Shapiro, Red Levine, Moe Dalitz, Berman and many others. Most of these Jewish gansters were involved in the numbers rackets, illegal drug dealing, prostitution, gambling and loan sharking. Some of them were “good Jews” who helped their fellow Jews around the world including Zionist terrorist groups in Germany, Italy and Palestine. And why these Jews adopted the crime life? Well the Zionist Jewish historians do have the obvious excuse – those gangsters were victims of ‘anti-Semitism’!

    Some of these Jewish gangsters provided funds and guns to Jewish terrorist groups to terrorize native Palestinian Muslims and Christians and grab 78% of their land.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/04/04/las-vegas-museum-honors-jewish-mobsters/

  62. @The Alarmist

    Are you suggesting that there is much tacit support (as well as some open suport that I have heard) for offsetting black numbers with Latino, and also, perhaps that the MSM has been scared of stirring up more blacks to join in the racial violence against whites?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  63. @Jonathan Revusky

    I’m going to have to respond here because this comment illustrates only too well exactly the points that Mr. Unz is trying to make.

    First on Trayvon Williams: A lot of facts came out during the trial that NPR and other MSM outlets have chosen to ignore and bury: (1) Williams was obviously casing his new neighborhood for burglary opportunities when accosted by Zimmerman. On a rainy night he had been wandering for over 45 minutes through his new neighborhood when his path crossed Zimmerman’s. A ten minute walk would have got him back to his house where his cousin was waiting for him. (2) Testimony of Williams’s Haitian girlfriend established that Williams attacked Zimmerman based on the false belief that Zimmerman was a homosexual looking to hire Williams for a sexual tryst. (3) THe respected forensic pathologist, Vincent DeMaio, testified that ballistic and other evidence conclusivelt proved every aspect of Zimmerman’s testimony; that Zimmerman was attacked by Williams; that Williams was sitting atop Zimmerman , leaning over him, and beating his head into the ground; that Zimmerman fired up into Williams at extremely close range in a last ditch effort to save his life.

    Second on the Zebra case: Mr. Unz left out a lot of the most damning information presented in the book he cites. The FBI was involved in the case early on. They actually established a connection between the murders and a prominent, and politically connected, member of the Nation of Islam based in Chicago. FBI agents, promised that the author would not reveal their names nor that of the Chicago suspects, told the author that a decision was made in Washington not to further pursue the case because of the racial tensions it might arouse. These agents were convinced that a large number of other Negro murderers could have been brought to justice, including some very high ranking members of the Nation of Islam cult had these leads been pursued.

  64. @Gail

    You have misunderstood the way RU was treating this story. He was using it as an illustration of possible systematic informal cover up and unless you dispute the relevance of Till being fatherless (or was there a stepfather?) except for having had a violent criminal provide half his genes and himself having a record of violence – plus the motive for not disclosing a sexual assault – it surely seems plausible to suppose that he was being punished for something much more than a wolf whistle.

  65. @Chico

    …Many if not most adolescent males in urban or suburban areas have had the unpleasant experiance of being stalked by a “chickenhawk.”…

    Congratulations! You just made the Zimmerman defense case air tight, as did Williams’s stupid, tub-of-lard, Haitian girlfriend during her trial testimony. You and she provided the reasoning that provoked Williams to attack Zimmerman. And once Zimmerman was attacked he had a perfect right – as do we all – to defend himself.

  66. robt says:

    The Chinese peasant’s and the Soviet citizens’ cynicism regarding the ‘news’ invite the acronym: INI, the Inverse News Indicator.

  67. @Poupon Marx

    It is extremely unhelpful and uncivil to bandy about the word “lie”, and worse than that when you offer no proof of a lie – or even indeed identify what deliberate untruth the commenter has perpetrated. I say that as one who does not tend to agree with Working Class but as one who sees andllutely mo justification for your offensiveness to him.

  68. Barnard says:
    @Bill Jones

    The state breakdown is also interesting. Virginia and North Carolina had relatively low numbers compared with the rest of the South.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html

    The thing about lynchings is that there were no local PD’s in most small towns at the time, just a sheriff at most, so communal justice was the norm.

    A lot these lynchings were how rural law enforcement of serious crimes was handled by communities without their own police. The cause listed in 41% of lynches is homicide and rape is listed in 19%. I would be interested in seeing what is all covered by “all other causes” at 22%.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/Lynchcauses.html

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  69. @Rurik

    are the Jews that control our media infused with a deep distrust of white, Christian men – as congenital, if latent Nazis?

    jeezus krist on tortilla, Rurik.

    try to analyze Nazism for what it actually was, not what the very same “Jewish controlled media” has brainwashed you to believe it was.

    Unz essayed on the massive propaganda effort the British executed to involve USA in WWII (as also WWI, but that’s another story).

    Jews were equally involved in propagandizing USA to get Americans to acquiesce to WWII.
    Jews were deeply involved in psychological warfare against Germans for over five years post-war
    to substantiate both points, see Cora Sol Goldstein, “Capturing the German Eye.”

    Jews have dominated anti-German anti-Nazi narratives from the time Hitler was appointed to chancellorship until this very day.

    Every time you use the analogy, “zionism = Nazi;” or Jews = ‘latent Nazis,’ you’re fellating Bibi, deep and long, and he’s in pervert heaven.

    Hitler had the effrontery to resist “Jewish control of media,” and for that offense, Deutschland delenda est.

    Move beyond the brainwashing.

    Put your energies to figuring out how the USA is going to extricate itself from “Jewish control of media,” nonviolently — or to borrow Richard Breitman’s phrase, “semi-legally,” and in your cogitations, consider how the example of the destruction of Germany serves as a warning; and how the people of the USA are to avoid the same treatment.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @L.K
    , @Bill Jones
    , @Sam Shama
  70. @anonymous

    Presumably the brave perpetrators get their scores up by targetting the homeless and alcoholic poor. Not much grist for the young journalist on the make’s mill there.

  71. Gringo says:

    The theme of Klan versus Communist Party reminds me of a high school classmate back in the time when long hair was an issue between sons and parents. He told us that his father told him that his father didn’t care what he thought, as long as he had short hair. I thought to myself: what would your father say if he had told him, “Dad, I’ve joined the Klan,” or “Dad, I’ve joined the Communist Party.” Would his father still not cared what his son thought?

    Those were at the time the salient examples of organizational evil I could come up with. As the Civil Rights bill had been passed several years before, the Klan was in our awareness. Not only was the Communist Party in my awareness because of the Cold War, but I knew a fair number of Iron Curtain refugees and had taken an Introduction to Politics course which courtesy of reading Solzhenitsyn’s A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch, gave me a gut understanding of the evil of Communism.

    Years later I did a Google search on the classmate’s father and found out that his father had spent a decade as an operative- not a mere member- for the CPUSA. His father had left the Party soon after Krushchev’s 1956 speech denouncing Stalin. His father’s refusal to name names to the FBI resulted in a court case that made the papers, which he won on appeal.

    If the son had told his father he had joined the Communist Party, his father’s reaction would have been interesting, to say the least.

  72. @MQ

    As well as Randal’s point is the point about the contrast in the Wikipedia write up that Ron was making.

  73. @dahoit

    I haven’t heard either about Zimmerman being “part Jewish” or the “subsequent crap” so would be pleased to read your elucidation.

    • Replies: @Alden
  74. Rurik says:
    @utu

    Race realists and all the racists among them are serving designed for them purpose in the greater scheme of divide and rule played by the top caste.

    while I agree that much of the BLM and media hysteria surrounding some non-racist crimes turned into racist crimes by the media (Travon) is intended to create hatred in the black community for white folks in general, and thereby foist a distraction from the real crimes of wars and monumental Wall Street swindles, etc…

    there does in my mind remain the quandary of ‘race realism’

    let’s put it this way…

    your seventeen year old daughter tells you she’s going out with some friends for the night, and might be back late

    when they drive up to pick up your daughter, you notice the fellows in the car are the men in the photos of this story.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3762863/Girl-17-went-missing-Myrtle-Beach-2009-gang-raped-shot-fed-alligators-says-FBI-agent.html

    They seem age appropriate, don’t get out of the car to come greet you but rather hang out with their hip-hop music thumping.. waiting for your daughter

    Now, what do you do as a father. Last weekend you let your daughter go out with some young white boys from her school and they brought her home safe after a fun evening. Now if you tell your daughter that you have reservations about her going with these fellows, guess what she’s going to say? She’s going to tremble, and perhaps begin shaking a little and her skin may flush and other subtle signs of intense agitation at the creeping moral horror and nauseating realization that OMG! – her very own dad is.. Oh God she can’t even say it. A racist !

    She’ll never look at you the same. She’ll whisper to her friends (since at least she’s still alive) that she never would have imagined that her own papa is a fucking racist

    Your reputation with her entire group of friends and their parents and the entire community will be destroyed, perhaps for ever.

    That for me is the kind of conundrum that must be happening all over the increasingly diverse Western world when it comes to hard race realism. Can you imagine an American father telling his seventeen year old daughter to perhaps have a little suspicion of young black men in hoodies and acting like thugs. It might cause a rift between you and your daughter that might never heal. But at least she’d be less likely to be gang raped for day on end and then fed to alligators.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    , @gwynedd1
    , @utu
  75. Wanderer says:

    I am just shaking and trembling at the moment because the Wikipedia page on the Zebra Killings leaves out so many of the details that Ron has unearthed.

  76. Bartolo says:

    One of the best and most important articles I might have ever read. Mr. Unz is doing a lot for truth and diversity of opinions (these two subjects being different, btw).

    The subject of reality distortion by the media is extremely serious and even threatening, and the US is not the only country where it happens – nor is race/ethnicity the only subject concerned, although it might be the one where the distortion is most grotesque.

    An encouraging phenomenon: distrust of the lying press is way more widespread among the young. But not nearly enough. I have stopped reading a lot of media, thanks to a large extent to the opportunity that the Unz review has provided me to compare and judge alternative versions of reality – one made out of whole cloth, the other facts-based. Than you, Mr. Unz.

  77. Jason Bayz says: • Website

    “Yet oddly enough, only long afterward did it emerge out that his father, a violent criminal, had been executed for multiple rapes and murder(…)”

    Not true. It emerged shortly after the trial.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  78. @Anon

    Thanks for the Counterpunch link. At least very clever. What a pity Rehmat isn’t in the same league.

  79. Ron – have you considered how far a mixture of fear and what may be thought of as prudence keeps the lid on reporting large scale black violence against whites? Apart from journalists not being interested in the lower classes and homeless who may suffer they might instinctively recoil from the idea of encouraging blacks to imagine getying away with killing lots of whites

  80. @Jason Bayz

    Does it affect Ron’s case? The fact of suppression till after the trial suggests that, by the standards of the other common law countries, American criminal justice was on its best behaviour – or the media were.

  81. @Gail

    Hello.

    You wrote: “Exactly how much influence could his murdering/rapist dad have had on him?”

    Emmett Till’s father would have had a huge influence on Emmett’s DNA, his genetics. Psychopathy is mostly a genetic thing, whereas Sociopathy is mostly an epigenetic thing (genetic mutations arising from environmental influences, such as: blows to the head, poor diet, frequent spankings or beatings, poverty, etc.). Both are classified as antisocial personality disorders (ASPD) and both can lead to extremely violent behavior…especially in males.

    Although we can’t, with any confidence, analyze Emmett Till’s case from where we are today, we can glean at least one small, but important, clue from the Unz article, and that is the reference to the “wolf whistle”. A wolf-whistle (I had to look it up) is when you stick your fingers in your mouth in order to amplify and project the whistling sound. Now, for a young black male to do that (which would almost certainly have been accompanied by sexually orientated proclamations of one kind or other) toward a white women, in that day and age, in Mississippi, I would say that there is a strong possibility of ASPD demonstrated in that.

    Hope this helps.

    • Replies: @Gail
  82. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Jews have dominated anti-German anti-Nazi narratives from the time Hitler was appointed to chancellorship until this very day.

    Yes I know that SC

    we all know that

    but when I use the word ‘Nazi’, especially in this context, I’m not talking about the National Socialists who took Germany to such heights in the 30s until it all came crashing down in the 40s. No. What I’m talking about is the characterization of what the word has come to mean today, and especially to Jews in particular. You may believe that most of the things said about Nazis were and are war propaganda intended to justify burning the German cities and civilians by the hundreds of thousands if not millions. But I suspect that there are a lot of people who believe all that stuff; that Germans were and are congenitally evil and inclined to murder helpless and innocent Jews simply out of some innate and nefarious and irrational proclivity towards anti-Semitism. And if so, then perhaps that would help explain why the Jews of the world seem so keen on replacing Germans in Germany with a less threatening tribe, like radical Islamic Muslims for instance. And by extension, all potential “Nazis” in all white homelands the world over.

    And more to the point vis-a-vis the article, this hostility Jews have towards Germans in particular and white Christians in general, might just explain the one-sided raging double standard that Ron Unz is writing about when it comes to things like the dishonest media hysteria over the KKK vs. communism and the Orwellian reporting on racial crimes. No?

    Basically SC, I don’t think that even if you and I and a thousand others tried day and night to resurrect the reputation of the Nazis (even if there were a sound moral reason for doing so – an endeavor of dubious merit IMHO) could it be done. It’s a hopeless cause.

    Not that I don’t agree that the Nazis, just like the Palestinians and the honorable Confederate soldiers or simply heterosexual, southern white Christians -(and of us assorted deplorables and irredeemables) have gotten and do get a raw deal by the Jewish press and monopolistic media domination.

    it seems to me that what we marinate in vis-a-vis the matrix of our “reality’, is all basically a direct consequence of the collective id and psyches and fear and loathing of those who own and control the (monolithic) media. It really is that simple.

    the people writing here about Travon, one way or another, are only doing so because that whole narrative was inserted into our collective consciences deliberately by the masters of our media/reality.

    in many was it is like the wizard in the Wizard of Oz, in that they pull those levers and push those buttons and turn those nobs and out comes this huge illusion that we all treat as reality.

    Who ever it is behind that curtain and whatever their agenda, will determine what we all see and hear – and ‘think’

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  83. @Anonymous

    That’s what struck me also on this well-balanced, entirely rational piece by Ron. The Martin-Zimmerman case illustrates another of his points: the massive bias of the media, nationally and internationally (the Guardian). For quite a while, the photo of Martin that was spread about was of a smiling 12-year-old schoolboy. Only later were we able to see what a hulking thug he was when he confronted Zimmerman.

  84. jake says:

    This may be the most important article Mr. Unz has yet to write. As bad as the 20th century KKK was at times, it was nothing compared to at least a dozen different black groups. Our lying media, back even before the 1960s, back to at least the 1850s, has portrayed blacks as the race dusky angelic victims and non-genteel whites as the group of evil oppressors casually slaughtering innocence. Long before the Bolshevik Revolution, the American press was creating disrupting lies about race and violent crime that were as divorced from facts as anything the Stalinists ever imagined.

  85. joef says:

    Today, it is not important how we feel about afro americans. Most of us would just go about our own business & daily lives, and not even think about them. If black racial obsessions were not constantly forced upon us by the MSM (They are less than 20% population, and are more than 80% of the media content), and whites were not victims of afro american violence, we would not have an adverse thought about them.

    Our negative thoughts are the result of negative experiences, not the other way around. Further, we are not responsible for what people did in the past, we are responsible for ourselves & our own actions. The whole concept of collective guilt is nothing but a leftist perpetuated fraud in order to manipulate us, through guilt, to accept the unacceptable (radical afro american behavior).

    It is the way they feel about us that is the actual problem, which is fanatical self initiated hatred towards whites, without any provocation from the whites themselves. The leftist solution is more pandering, praise, and entitlements, that constantly yields negative results. Yet we are told that not enough is being done, and by continuing to repeat a failed ideology, it will eventually produce a successful result. And there is no foreseeable end to this angry afro rhetoric because the leftist and radical afro americans do not believe that there is anything wrong with it.

    So any expectation that this current trend line will all somehow end peacefully, I am afraid, is just a lot of wishful thinking. This is because nothing is being done to alter/correct the current trend line, and is instead being naively encouraged & promoted by the leftist enablers.
    Racial Balkanization plus economic decline equals social instability. I wish it was a different story, but it is not; and that is the reality of our current situation regarding race relations.

    • Agree: Old fogey
  86. Mark Green says: • Website

    Excellent article. The MSM continues to play the ‘white racism’ card by amplifying the connection between white identity (and white security interests) to wanton, race-driven murder/mayhem committed by whites. The threat of black criminality and black degeneracy is inevitably downplayed or ignored.

    These dual campaigns delegitimize white identity and undermine white community.

    White Americans have been divided up and separated from one another via ideology and media-imposed guilt. The modern taboos against ‘white racism’ (the natural inclination among whites to form homogeneous communities) is a politically-correct Trojan horse. It poisons white community and white political solidarity.

    Meanwhile, the media speaks approvingly of ‘the black vote’, the ‘Jewish vote’, and the ‘Hispanic vote’. But there’s no such thing (in TV-land) as the ‘white vote’–only white racism.

    White Americans are not permitted to have racial identities or racial agendas which translate into political action. What caused this to happen?

    Whites may identify as ‘liberals’, ‘conservatives’, Democrats or Republicans. These ideological boundaries keep us squabbling among ourselves and it renders us ill-equipped to resist the ongoing multi-cult juggernaut that is transforming our culture. Similar taboos make us powerless in resisting Zionist-driven wars and hegemony.

    White Americans have become observers and political non-participants. This is due in part to the fact that whites are not allowed to possess or to proclaim collective interests as a distinct people.

    We are however expected to welcome the media-driven campaign that celebrates miscegenation and unsought multiculturalism. The collective interests of European-derived peoples in America remains unaddressed. In fact it is reviled as ‘racism’.

    Meanwhile, blacks, Hispanics and Jews are permitted–encouraged even–to coalesce strictly along racial/ethnic lines. This freedom to unite energizes them and empowers them beyond their numbers.

    The media’s campaign against ‘white racism’ also dovetails with the media’s never-ending campaign against ‘anti-Semitism’. They’re two sides of the same duplicitous coin.

  87. hhsiii says:
    @Rurik

    Yes, the above article says it was in Florida, but it was in Myrtle Beach and McClellanville , SC where she was killed.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  88. Boris says:

    In fact, the evidence suggests that the overwhelming majority of all racially-motivated violent attacks in America each year are committed by blacks

    This claim isn’t supported by your source, which is a Thomas Sowell article that doesn’t delve into the statistics at all.

    And FBI statistics tend to contradict you: https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014

    In 2014, race was reported for 5,192 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:

    52.0 percent were White.

    23.2 percent were Black or African American.

    in 2014, there were 3,227 victims of racially motivated hate crime.

    62.7 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.

    22.7 percent were victims of anti-White bias.

    Now, this data isn’t perfect. Certainly not all racially motivated attacks will be labelled as hate crimes. But there is no evidence here that blacks commit more racially motivated attacks, let alone the “overwhelming majority” of them.

  89. Looking at some other sources, some are claiming that 4000 blacks were lynched in the US. These numbers don’t include Reconstruction, so lets say that 5000 blacks were killed during Reconstruction by Southerners trying to rid their states of the Carpetbagger/Black governments.

    That gives us 9000 blacks “murdered” in 100 years, we will pretend they were all killed by the KKK. Obama has been president for 8 years. The blacks murdered by blacks each year is roughly 2300. So under the Obama Regime, blacks have killed double the number (18,400) of blacks than were murdered in 100 years of Klan activity.

  90. gwynedd1 says:
    @Bob Johnson

    That’s some solid speculation you have there. And yes , its an oxymoron.

    Zimmerman may have escalated it at a particular stage , but Martin escalated it from that point based on the evidence. So unless Zimmerman is a master manipulator, even faking his own injuries , you’d have to be pretty tool worthy not to see the escalation continues until Martian got more than he could handle.

    Even so we don’t really know, and that’s the problem. What we do know however is the media used old baby pictures to create a narrative that a 12 year old child was looking for candy as a substitute for a near adult adolescent, 17 year old looking to make a drug cocktail.

    • Replies: @joef
  91. L.K says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Solonto wrote:

    jeezus krist on tortilla, Rurik.
    try to analyze Nazism for what it actually was, not what the very same “Jewish controlled media” has brainwashed you to believe it was.

    Hehe, I know right, I have tried myself a couple times with Rurik to make that exact point, and I think your post as a whole has done a much better job of it.

    But no go…

    Nevertheless, Rurik is one of the best posters here, a truth seeker, even when we disagree on this or that issue.

    Solonto:

    Hitler had the effrontery to resist “Jewish control of media,” and for that offense, Deutschland delenda est.

    And they suceeded, Germany is really dead, IMHO, its soul destroyed by all the atrocity propaganda, an occupied country, mentally and physically( think of all the fucking US bases & troops there).

    Solonto:

    Every time you use the analogy, “zionism = Nazi;” or Jews = ‘latent Nazis,’ you’re fellating Bibi, deep and long, and he’s in pervert heaven.

    Buahahaha, good one!

  92. @Hepp

    A stereotype is based on reality.

  93. gwynedd1 says:
    @Rurik

    If that father waited until 17 to tell her about how race works, its too late. At the individual level, and at the individual context, its statistical noise. At the group level it matters. White individuals around blacks are in a higher state of danger, relatively speaking. Circumstances may arise that blacks would be in danger around whites(prison for example). Latinos also may be at risk. This has nothing to do with individuals one may know. Hell even STI risk is much higher.

    More or less one does not need to make it a black thing . Does he have a dad? If he did, and he was raised in a middle class neighborhood , then he probably isn’t really a statistical risk anyway. What’s his GPA? There is a kid having issues in my kid’s class, bullying and the like. He has a single mama, and no daddy around. A black guy with a dad and a good GPA is going to be better than a random white from the docks.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  94. @Jus' Sayin'...

    “Mr. Unz left out a lot of the most damning information presented in the book he cites.”

    Absolutely. The so-called Zebra case was far worse than most people who have heard of it know. In October 1973, there was a meeting of California law enforcement officials in which it was determined over 70 white people had been killed in California in the last 2 years or so by Nation of Islam members. This was before the San Francisco “Zebra murders” had begun.

    Thomas Peele’s recent book, “Killing the Messenger,” about the murder of black journalist Chauncey Bailey, has a chapter on the Zebra murders. Peele tells of the “East Bay killings” taking place at the same time, which were run out a mosque in Oakland. It is believed there were 30 white victims in the East Bay, none were solved. Peele indicates the mosques in San Francisco and Oakland were in league with each other.

    There were killings in Sacramento in 1974. In this one, two NOI members were convicted. Both were paroled a few years ago after admitting their guilt and expressing remorse. One said higher-ups in the NOI had held meetings instructing them to kill white people.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  95. joef says:
    @gwynedd1

    Agreed. It is improbable that Trayvon caused Zimmerman’s injuries after Trayvon was fatally shot. Thus Zim reacted to deadly force that was being used against him. Even if Zim was the initial primary aggressor, that does not negate his right to defend himself against the escalation to deadly force by Trayvon. The right to self defense, & to preserve one’s life, is an absolute right, which is so self evident, the Founding Fathers probably did not see a need to include it in the Bill of Rights. Only a reality challenged liberal would not agree. That is why if it were not for modern protections, liberals would die off from natural selection (the denial of reality is not a skill for survival).

    • Replies: @yeah
  96. @Rurik

    Who ever it is behind that curtain and whatever their agenda, will determine what we all see and hear – and ‘think’

    Rurik, you are breaking my heart.

    No no no.
    Whoever is behind the curtain does NOT determine what I think.

    I will be judged on my actions — whether I get to collect 72 virgins or 72 STD polluted skanks (Samantha Power X 72? Is that not a definition of hell?)

    That being the case, I am responsible for what I think.

    Your squishy approach to the topic is disappointing.

    Nobody is out to whitewash Nazis. Rather, it is imperative that the entire story be presented: it’s impossible to make accurate policy decisions if the historical data is distorted =- as we see playing out in Iraq etc.
    With so many lives already lost or ruined, and so many more on the line, I think it’s vitally, as in “a matter of life and death” — that we get the story straight.

    The story pushed by “Jewish controlled media” has not been straight since at least 1881.

    Believe it or not I’ve been told that the task of undoing that false narrative is a near impossibility.

    That may be so.
    What is the alternative? To allow the status quo to persist? That’s the posture of a coward.

    What other nations will we wipe out based on obeisance to the sacred lie of the holocaust? How many more people have to die before we summon the courage to say, STOP! You are lying; We will not tolerate this for one more minute.

    imho you are misquided in your squishy ‘yes, I know but that’s not what I meant and anyway it’s so hard and everybody thinks that and I don’t want to ruffle feathers so I just go along.

    You do realize, don’t you, that by recklessly using Nazi terminology you are effectively chopping off the second-largest segment of White Americans, namely Germans, who are, incidentally, among the smartest and most productive members of White American society.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  97. roofgoat says:
    @Rurik

    your post should be required reading for all middle school students.

  98. yes stalin killed more people than the kkk. so, an apologia must be penned for the kkk.
    who falls for this crap?

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  99. Randal says:
    @Boris

    Those FBI figures are utterly useless. First, undoubtedly black victims of racist abuse are far more likely to report it than white, and general abuse is far more likely to be classified as racist if it is by a white person against a black person, for the obvious reason that racism is an obsession of blacks and of anti-white whites, not of whites in general, and also because most whites simply would not expect a report of racist abuse against them to be taken seriously.

    Second, note that Unz referred specifically to “violent” attacks, which I would interpret to mean aggravated assaults, or worse, against the person, not what the FBI classifies as “intimidation” (in this context, giving verbal offence to a member of one of the specially protected groups), simple assault (not included in the FBI’s classification of violent crimes, which are: Murder, Forcible Rape, Robbery, Aggravated Assault), or property crimes. These categories account for the vast majority of the FBI’s “hate crimes” (77%).

    It will be interesting to see whether Unz will substantiate this point and provide his reasoning and evidence, but it seems reasonable on its face that the majority of violent race hatred crimes would be committed by blacks against whites because blacks are per capita far more criminally violent (as the statistics prove) in general, and many if not most blacks are also obviously obsessed with race issues and chock full of race resentment, stoked by our media and their own race-baiting identity lobbyist politicians. Whether that is sufficiently the case to overcome the fact that they represent only 12% or so of the US population is all you need reliable figures for. In the absence of such figures, it seems a reasonable presumption that it is.

    • Replies: @Boris
  100. Wanderer says:
    @Boris

    Conveniently for Doris, the data only goes up to 2014.

    Now, what happened in 2015 and 2016 that might affect the data?

    • Replies: @roofgoat
    , @Boris
  101. Boris says:

    Perhaps such disturbing speculation is mistaken

    It strikes me as rather offensive victim-blaming. Even by the wife’s testimony, no sexual assault occurred and there is no evidence for it. I’m not sure how Till being 150 lbs. or having a criminal father weighs into the facts of the case. Both seem irrelevant to me and I don’t think they would change the public perception of the case one bit.

  102. Wanderer says:

    If, as Ron suggests, the majority of the American public is becoming inoculated against virus of the Media, then they will have already noticed it and must have started planning to reduce the new-found immunity …

    I wonder what the plans are?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  103. @Lawrence Fitton

    My dear Lawrence–

    You heartily conflate apologies with the suggestion that media hysteria and histrionic history rewriters rake measure of themselves.

  104. @dahoit

    Well, I already stated my position on the Trayvon case. My position is simply that I don’t know.

    What fascinates me about the situation is how people who cannot possibly know either express such certainty that they know what happened. That is a very interesting phenomenon.

    • Replies: @utu
  105. @Rurik

    I agree with almost every thing you said, Rurik. The only things I disagree with are your thoughts on the Holocaust, and your characterization of the causes of Jewish paranoia.

    It’s obvious that you know next to nothing about the Holocaust. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, mind you, as we have all been subjected to the relentless brainwashing program centered on the Jewish Holocaust mythology. I urge you to investigate the Holocaust with much more diligence, and rigor, than you have. By doing this you will be able to clear your mind of a huge cloud of Jewish brainwashing. A great place to start would be the writings of David Irving…the Jews absolutely despise him and have gone to great lengths to smear and attack him; there is “anti-Irving” propaganda that has been inserted into one or two Hollywood movies. Irving has also been viciously attacked by the MSM…they accused him of providing the trigger mechanisms for the Oklahoma city bomb! Ernst Zundel is another good one…he’s been jailed several times for his efforts to get the truth out to the people. Fred Leuchter and Robert Faurisson are also good…the Jews beat the shit out of Faurisson on a couple of occasions.

    The Hostile Jewish Elite do not fear and distrust white folks because they might be closet-Nazi’s. They practically invented the entire Nazi-as-mass-murderer narrative, so, why would they be apprehensive about some fictitious idea that they themselves created? The real reason they fear and distrust white people in particular is because they’re up to no good and they’re deeply afraid we’ll discover their treacheries!

    Well, we are uncovering their intrigues and bringing them into the light. They are terrified by our rapid progress and are frantically trying to impede us in every possible way. It’s good that people are waking up to the clandestine programs of the International Jew, but, there is a massive downside to our truth-telling efforts…the more truth we expose the more hostile and violent they become!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  106. Boris says:
    @Randal

    Those FBI figures are utterly useless. First, undoubtedly black victims of racist abuse are far more likely to report it than white

    Undoubtedly? It seems you are just making things up to support your conclusions. We are trying to deduce the number of “racially motivated violent attacks” here, and it makes no sense to assume that white people are just not reporting them.

    These categories account for the vast majority of the FBI’s “hate crimes” (77%).

    As I said, the data aren’t perfect. Unless we implausibly assign all intimidation and property crimes to whites, the data don’t come close to supporting the claim.

    • Replies: @Randal
  107. Rehmat says:
    @Rurik

    You’re suffering from “White Victim Mentality” dude. The White race has long been made impotent by the Organized Jewry which not only rule Europe now, but also United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Therefore, there is no chance of a new Jewish ethnic-cleansing in the White societies.

    The reasons the pro-Israel Jewish groups support Muslim immigration to the West, is, a)get rid of anti-Israel Arabs from the Middle East, and 2) to use Muslim immigrants to create anti-West false flag operations to prove that Europe has not got rid of its centuries-old anti-Semitism.

    There 15 European nations where insulting Islam is “freedom of speech”, but challenging the 6-million Jewish death myth is a crime punishable with 3-year in jail or a heavy fine – or both.

    But don’t worry, Israel has found several HITLERS among non-Whites such as Bishop Tutu, Ahmadinejad, Bashar al-Assad, etc. who are set to leash another Jewish Holocaust.

    In September 2014, South African Jewish weekly, ‘The Jewish Report’ in an Op-Ed, entitled ‘Arch no better than Hitler or Stalin’ written by country’s Israeli Likud party president Leon Reich, equating South Africa’s former Archbishop Desmond Tutu with Adolf Hitler and Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.

    “Just as it was more important for Hitler to kill Jews than protect the fatherland in the last days of (WW II) war so it is more important for Tutu to kill Jews rather to protect his fellow Christians,” wrote Reich…..

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/09/16/s-a-jew-leader-bishop-tutu-is-adolf-hitler/

  108. roofgoat says:
    @Wanderer

    the data Boris posted is as truthful as the unemployment and inflation data we have been getting for years.

    I don’t think that more than a day goes by where I don’t see an article buried in the news along the likes of…….Jarvniasious Williams, 28, Quanalitha Moore, 24, N’talah Jenkins, 23, were arrested for the beating, burning, rape and robbery of (white granny) Agatha Proctor, 82.

    Every f’n day this happens but hey, white privilege and BLM.

    The delusion and denial in our country and (the west) is incalculable. There is no longer any excuse to not know exactly what is happening in Obama’s America. Sure, the media could fool us years ago with no internet. I too was naïve.

    What I have seen every day is unforgiveable. Yet the power to deny is still heavy in the air.

    Mengele said it best…”the more we do to you, the less you believe we are doing it”.

    Amazing how that quote applies to those that should know better. Those meaning right leaning, gun owning, Christ believing, US mil loving white guys today.

    • Replies: @Boris
    , @SolontoCroesus
  109. Rehmat says:
    @Rurik

    You’re suffering from “White Victim Mentality” dude. The White race has long been made impotent by the Organized Jewry which not only rule Europe now, but also United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Therefore, there is no chance of a new Jewish ethnic-cleansing in the White societies.

    The reasons the pro-Israel Jewish groups support Muslim immigration to the West, is, a)get rid of anti-Israel Arabs from the Middle East, and 2) to use Muslim immigrants to create anti-West false flag operations to prove that Europe has not got rid of its centuries-old anti-Semitism.

    There 15 European nations where insulting Islam is “freedom of speech”, but challenging the 6-million Jewish death myth is a crime punishable with 3-year in jail or a heavy fine – or both.

    But don’t worry, Israel has found several HITLERS among non-Whites such as Bishop Tutu, Ahmadinejad, Bashar al-Assad, etc. who are set to leash another Jewish Holocaust.

    In September 2014, South African Jewish weekly, ‘The Jewish Report’ in an Op-Ed, entitled ‘Arch no better than Hitler or Stalin’ written by country’s Israeli Likud party president Leon Reich, equating South Africa’s former Archbishop Desmond Tutu with Adolf Hitler and Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.

    “Just as it was more important for Hitler to kill Jews than protect the fatherland in the last days of (WW II) war so it is more important for Tutu to kill Jews rather to protect his fellow Christians,” wrote Reich…..

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/09/16/s-a-jew-leader-bishop-tutu-is-adolf-hitler/

  110. @Fred Reed

    Hey Fred, why aren’t you writing comments under your own recent “Tinfoil hat” article defending yourself against all the torrent of criticism coming from various people (me and many others).

    I have only written 3 articles on this site so far, but I was very serious about it. If I write something, I stand by it and anybody who tried to attack anything I said logically or factually, I debated with them. You, on the other hand, just seemed to have gone AWOL.

    What’s going on here? Are you just conceding that you can’t really defend anything you wrote because it all just came out of your ass?

    Well, I guess the thing is that I like to think I am a serious person. You apparently don’t suffer from that hangup.

    • Replies: @Anymous
  111. Boris says:
    @Wanderer

    Yes, the rise of Trump might have inspired more white offenders. Anecdotally I remember one such case from Boston.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  112. @Wanderer

    You’ve not noticed the wave after wave of proposals for control of the internet?
    Unique biometric ID’s are on the way for internet access.

    One Hillary Clinton was whingeing as far back as 1998 about the lack of a gate-keeping function.

    http://www.spectacle.org/398/hillary.html

    (What happened in 1998? Think blue dress)

  113. Randal says:
    @Boris

    Undoubtedly? It seems you are just making things up to support your conclusions.

    “Undoubtedly” clearly indicates that it’s my opinion. You might well think, or claim to think, that whites are as likely to report a crime against them as “racist” as blacks, but obviously I (and I think most honest and informed folks) would regard such a claim as, frankly, pretty silly.

    We are trying to deduce the number of “racially motivated violent attacks” here, and it makes no sense to assume that white people are just not reporting them.

    No, what is likely is that whites are reporting the crimes just as robberies, aggravated assaults, etc, whereas blacks are doing their usual “victim of whitey” thing and reporting such things as racist (including when the whole thing is made up – see the well established phenomenon of hate hoaxes).

    • Replies: @Boris
  114. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    [Put your energies to figuring out how the USA is going to extricate itself from “Jewish control of media,” nonviolently or to borrow Richard Breitman’s phrase, “semi-legally,”]

    Well wouldn’t the straightforward route to that end be purchasing said media enterprises from Jewish hands? Organise a “Jewish Media Buyout Fund”.

    Start with Ron Unz. I estimate opening bids at $25m.

    Semi-legal would be an LBO using Nazi Gold.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @SolontoCroesus
  115. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    “What fascinates me about the situation is how people who cannot possibly know either express such certainty that they know what happened. That is a very interesting phenomenon.” – Yes, it is very interesting phenomena. I discovered it in me during the Anita Hill/ Clarence Thomas controversy when after each testimony I was willing to believe the side that just presented their case. After this experience I concluded that humans cannot easily sustain the state of unknowing. Actually it is evolutionary detrimental to not know because this may paralyze your decision process. For this reason I do not believe that there are true agnostics. People either believe there is god or that there is no god. So, unknowing is only a quasi stable state from which one very quickly drops to the stable and thus comfortable position of knowing this or that. The more stupid person is the most like is the case that the person never experience a conscious state of unknowing for a prolonged time period. It require a significant intellectual apparatus and strong exertion of will to sustain the unknowing state. Being in the unknowing state is further made more difficult by the fact that you are surrounded almost w/o exceptions by those who do know.

    The state of knowing is a psychological state that has nothing to do whether what a person know is objectively true. Long time ago I worked on a mathematical problem that I could not solve for days. And one night I had a dream in which the solution to the problem presented to myself. I had an immense sense of knowing. Once I woke up I stared working on the problem and the feeling of knowing was slowly dissipating as realization was coming to me that the solution presented in the dream was totally false.

    It seems that the word to know should always be put in quotation marks.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  116. utu says:
    @Rurik

    Her father should recognize that it was most of all the class issue. He should not let her daughter go out with low class whites either.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  117. @Rurik

    Rurik, you should know by now that I am very fact oriented. I don’t object to your various “philosophical ramblings” mind you, and I suppose I agree with much of it — though not all…. BUT the thing is that my problems with Ron’s article are not philosophical so much as factual issues.

    Most of the comment you are replying to, I am expressing my extreme skepticism about this account of the Zebra murders in the 1970′s. I read the official story and have a very hard time believing that this is what really happened.

    Moreover, Ron makes no mention of things like Cointelpro, and the sheer extent to which any anti-system sort of group from black nationalists to white nationalists were infiltrated by Deep State agents. I mean, probably the main reason that there has been no significant violence from the KKK in the last half century or so is that the group is so entirely infiltrated by Deep State agents that it would be impossible for them to do squat anyway. And, yes, the continued existence of some sort of KKK that never does shit is something useful. It’s just an element of Deep State theater. In the terms of my last article, “it’s part of the show”.

    And then when any of these groups actually do something, I think the baseline assumption should be that it is some sort of sting operation, run by the FBI, say. If tomorrow the KKK came out of their lethargy and lynched some black folks for real, or whatever other act of terrorism, I would immediately wonder whether this is some sort of Deep State psy op. I would reason that these people are so infiltrated by the organs of the State that they can’t really plan and execute anything without the authorities knowing about it.

    Moreover, what you have with these Zebra murders is a narrative in which these Black Muslims are committing all these murders with no real motive. I mean, they just hate white folks, if that’s a motive. And somehow they’re doing this for 6 months straight and the authorities have no idea what is going on…. You know, I see patterns, Rurik. Why did Oswald kill Kennedy? He was a commie? He was fucked up in the head? Bottom line: no motive. Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? He wanted to show that “Jews have balls”. Bullshit. Why did James Earl Ray kill Martin Luther King? I looked that one up recently. I assumed that it was ascribed to a racial motive, but no, apparently James Earl Ray killed King to obtain something called “ego gratification”. In other words, he murdered MLK because it would make him feel good about himself. Again, bullshit. No motive.

    Normally when you have a crime, you look for means and motive. All this sequence of crimes where the alleged perpetrators have no motive… it gives off a funny smell to me…

    And all that above stuff is bullshit, right? Oswald, James Earl Ray…. those two guys certainly didn’t kill anybody. Jack Ruby did but it wasn’t to show that Jews have balls.

    So when you tell me that these Zebra murders happened because these people hated white people so much to just kill random white people, alarm bells go off with me, because, over the last few years, I have devoted some energy to studying these false flag terrorism events, like Gladio in Italy and so forth. And I look at these things in Europe more recently, and YES, 9/11…..

    You argue as if I’m saying things I’m not saying. I never said there was no black criminal element and so on and I never contested that the media was under-reporting black on white crimes. You’re arguing as if I was saying things I was not saying.

    The main thing I want to get across is that this Zebra murders narrative is very very strange. Even if it were to turn out (much to my surprise) that the official story on this is true, it is not within the normal run of black on white crimes. I assume the “normal” black on white crime is some thug hitting you over the head and taking your wallet or something. Or they rob a liquor store. Or something. This Zebra murders thing is something very very different. It’s taking something very exceptional and then waving one’s hands and creating generalizations about it. There is something very strange about what Ron is doing in this article. It makes me very uncomfortable on various levels. But primarily, it’s the factual level. I just find this official story on the Zebra murders very hard to believe. It feels to me like there is something else going on here — Cointelpro, Deep State sort of stuff.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  118. @silly billy

    Then the question must be what exactly was Zimmerman doing out there in the first place bothering outstanding citizens like Trayvon? Was he walking around just to be mean to black folks?

    Actually , he was a member of a “neighborhood watch” group that was attempting to counter a staggering rise in the number of black on white crimes that were occurring with increasingly frequency against the non black members of the Ferguson community. I seem to remember that there had been over 2400 property crimes and physical attacks in recent times committed n this middle class, racially mixed neighborhood. by the members of the nearby ghetto. I remember reading that some white residents reported having been burglarized five (or more) times over a fairly short period of time . Zimmerman was patrolling simply because of this increasing crime wave was making living in Ferguson for whites simply untenable. The white folks were desperate. Hence the citizen patrols.

    Ferguson??? Zimmerman and Trayvon were in Sanford, Florida.

    • Replies: @silly billy
  119. Boris says:
    @roofgoat

    the data Boris posted is as truthful as the unemployment and inflation data we have been getting for years.

    Are you kidding? White nationalists love FBI crime data. You mean their love was based on results and not an objective understanding of the methodology and limitations? I’m shocked.

    • Replies: @Randal
  120. Donald Trump’s missteps are eagerly reported, but other politicians do not receive the same treatment.

    Justin Webb, a BBC journalist wrote:

    During the decades I have been a BBC reporter, I have interviewed thousands of people: angry people, sad people, political duckers and weavers, serious thinkers — all human life.

    But nothing prepared me for the day after Barack Obama beat Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Party presidential nomination in 2008. You might remember it for the balloons and tears of joy inside the building. I remember it for one interview outside.

    ‘How do you feel?’ was my imaginative question. But it was enough. The woman let rip. Ghastly, she said. Devastated. Bitter. In fact, she told me: ‘I was raped as a teenager but I have never felt as violated as I do today.’

    My jaw dropped. We couldn’t use her comments on the news. Too tasteless and offensive, particularly given the racial tinge — the victor being a black man and Hillary a white woman — but those words have stuck with me since.

    The key words are “We couldn’t use her comments on the news.” If they had done so, a whole chain of BBC staff would immediately have lost their jobs. The instinct of the organisation’s leaders to protect senior liberal politicians quickly becomes internalised as self-censorship.

    Whenever I see Donald Trump or Nigel Farage say something foolish in an interview, I remember the BBC man’s story, and I know that if Hillary Clinton says something equally offensive, her comments will never be broadcast.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3441623/Humiliation-Hillary-spouts-feminism-women-say-s-dishonest-bully.html

  121. Alden says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    His father is Jewish. It’s a common German and Jewish last name Every Zimmerman I have ever known is a Jew, not a goy of German descent. Of course the few zimnermans I’ve known doesn’t mean much but the family made it clear Dad is Jewish I don’t know in what if any religion they raised the children

    If he had used his Mom’s Spanish name no one except for his town in Florida would have ever heard of the incident

    Someone mentioned Zimmerman was stalking Martin. Actually, Martin was stalking him and there is a cell phone recording to his friend that “Ima gooh geh
    duh muh fughin cracka ” English translation I’m going to get the mother f..king cracker.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  122. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Organise a “Jewish Media Buyout Fund”.

    Would this be legal? Can I publish a guide to non-Jewish influenced or owned media? Can I refuse to employ Jews in my media company simply because they are Jews?

  123. @Boris

    This claim isn’t supported by your source, which is a Thomas Sowell article that doesn’t delve into the statistics at all.

    And FBI statistics tend to contradict you: https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014

    LOL. Oh, excuuuuuuse me. The ‘hate-crime stats’, you say? Har, har, har, har, har. You mean the small number of crimes that are defined as “hate crimes” by law-enforcement under media pressure?

    Just look up the plain-vanilla violent crime stats, pal. Blacks commit violent crime at a rate TEN TIMES HIGHER than that of whites. And that’s using stats padded with Mexicans as “white”.

    • Replies: @Boris
  124. Mr Unz

    Very brave essay you are no doubt correct in your facts and reasonable in your assertion the media may be lying far far far more than we even we skeptics suspect.I understand you are a ‘liberal’ of the variety rare but still existing that can be persuaded by evidence.Still to have dared weighed the evidence enough to have written this was fearless I myself a natural race realist as NY city natives are without rancor and as a conservative since my early twenties i was numb with shock rage disbelief and terror of what the implications were, when i finally came to understand the true racial situation in our nation. suffice it to say youre toast, its one thing to host a blogsite with dissident perspectives quite another to question the sainted black martyrs like till martin and brown. For what its worth I think youre right its highly unlikely mrs Bryant ran for a gun because a negro whistled, which means just about everyone was lying about what happened. Its equally unlikely a week later her husband would murder a 14 year old for a whistle in fact its really unlikely he would have been told about a mere whistle a week later.The fact of the matter is white fear of black violence and sexual predation was not some mental aberration of southern whites as we have been told but a problem going back before the civil war.
    well maybe if liberals are even waking up there is hope, hope we will survive i can see no hope that this will not get worse before better

  125. Boris says:
    @Randal

    I (and I think most honest and informed folks) would regard such a claim as, frankly, pretty silly.

    Informed? What information are you talking about?

    No, what is likely is that whites are reporting the crimes just as robberies, aggravated assaults, etc,

    So white people are withholding evidence of hate crimes? When they give their statements, they are leaving out details intentionally? That doesn’t make much sense.

    whereas blacks are doing their usual “victim of whitey” thing and reporting such things as racist

    Well, first this seems to be built from nothing but your own prejudice. But also you don’t seem to understand how crimes are reported and prosecuted. Nobody goes in and reports things as “racist” or “not racist.” They give their statements, evidence is collected and police and DAs decide what charges to file.

    I still see no real evidence for Unz’s claim.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @vinteuil
  126. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/14/midtown-women-set-on-fire/

    Get this. Black boy sets muslim woman on fire. It is called a hate crime. But then, the guy and other(s)? tried to set other women on fire.

    This is now a hate crime against women. Is this a first? First time I ever heard of it.

    Blacks need to wise up. Intersectionality is going to bite them in the ass. Tony Parker is a rapist, so it is black oppression against rape — but the especially heinous crime of raping a college girl who he knew and dated.

    Whites might be privileged and immune from hate crimes, but we are a nation of nations, and there is a long line of victims and some of them are pushing toward the front. A lot of black males aren’t too keen on LGBT victimhood, but they better get used to be a minority among minorities.

    Women might want to get on board and start telling the truth about the race of rape perpetuators. If they care. I don’t know. Drunken college sex is a problem. But that isn’t why rape used to be a capital crime. It was reserved for someone that was hit over the head on the street by a stranger.

    The feminist rhetoric about the judicial system punishing women who pursue sexual assault charges — especially 60 years ago — might have some sympathy for why there was extra judicial attempts to address it.

  127. @Bob Johnson

    youre wrong trayvon was sent to his dads because he had one assaulted a bus driver, two been caught with stolen jewelry and burglar tools in his school locker, three assaulted another student four been all over social media posing with drugs and guns gang signs and messaging about how to buy pills and make the drug lean/drizz etc, his autopsy showed extensive liver damage do to lean use, he was in fact that night buying the ingrediants to make lean and to use marijuanna. so basically zimmermans instincts were spot on trayvon was a violent drug addict casing the hood to more burglaries he may have even been responsible for some that had been going on. zimmerman was a licenced firearm carrier, neighborhood watch. he called 911 and stayed back trayvon spotted him and confronted him and attacked him and tried to kill him. the baby pictures of trayvon are agitprop. the reality i outlined is well documented but completely suppressed.

  128. @David In TN

    One said higher-ups in the NOI had held meetings instructing them to kill white people.

    It’s a very strange narrative. Did they allege a motive for this?

  129. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Zimmerman is a trouble magnet.

    We have all known someone that is never content to live without being involved in conflict.

    Why bother with Travon. There are better examples. There is room for objective people to disagree.

    • Replies: @Randal
  130. @deplorable frog

    You are a victim of the aforementioned media brainwashing.
    It took weeks for the true story to be released. By then, everyone had been told the lie and for weeks seen the pic of the 12 year old Trayvonn.
    In fact, I bet when you hear the name (Trayvonn) this is the image you see in your head,
    NOT the gold toothed, tattooed, gangster photographed with his gun and loot from a robbery.

  131. syonredux says:

    all listed by name, drawn from the combined decades of the 1950s and 1960s, which represented the height of the Klan’s modern power.

    The 1920s marked the Klan’s 2oth century apogee.

  132. Randal says:
    @Boris

    White nationalists love FBI crime data. You mean their love was based on results and not an objective understanding of the methodology and limitations? I’m shocked.

    The point, which is directly connected to the situation described in Unz’s piece above, is that government data (and most information in most of our mainstream media) can safely be assumed to be subject to colossal bias in provenance, selection and display, intended to favour antiracist (and globalist, but that’s another aspect) political interests. So it is wholly reasonable to accept data from such sources when it goes against antiracist interests (and assume it is if anything an understatement of the reality), while regarding it with extreme scepticism when it tends to support them.

    That’s the direct and inevitable result of the “pattern of blatant dishonesty that is too large and continues for too long ” that Unz describes above.

    I understand that you might not like that harsh reality. Complain to the antiracists and globalists who have variously either believed or pretended to believe for decades that such dishonesty was a “noble lie”, and continue to do so today.

  133. Randal says:
    @Boris

    Informed? What information are you talking about?

    Information that has not been warped by the “pattern of blatant dishonesty that is too large and continues for too long ” that Unz describes above.

    So white people are withholding evidence of hate crimes? When they give their statements, they are leaving out details intentionally? That doesn’t make much sense.

    When white people are attacked by negroes they probably pay little or no attention to being called “honky” or “cracka” or whatever the modern form of abuse is, and either don’t report it or downplay it significantly. Whites are only just starting to be fully trained in the arts of race grievance-mongering, as blacks have been schooled for generations. In the rare cases when black people are violently attacked by whites, they undoubtedly will make huge play of any use of terms like “nigger”, and so will the people recording the crime. They are also quite likely to make up such use (see aforementioned hate hoaxes) because they know it will gain them greater sympathy and perhaps get bigger punishments for the person they’ve had an altercation with.

    Well, first this seems to be built from nothing but your own prejudice. But also you don’t seem to understand how crimes are reported and prosecuted. Nobody goes in and reports things as “racist” or “not racist.” They give their statements, evidence is collected and police and DAs decide what charges to file.

    See above.

    I still see no real evidence for Unz’s claim.

    Unsurprising. Granted, Unz hasn’t substantiated it with hard evidence. As far as I’m concerned it’s you who needs to find the evidence to contradict such a common sense assertion.

    • Replies: @Boris
  134. Boris says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    LOL. Oh, excuuuuuuse me. The ‘hate-crime stats’, you say? Har, har, har, har, har. You mean the small number of crimes that are defined as “hate crimes” by law-enforcement under media pressure?

    Evidence?

    Just look up the plain-vanilla violent crime stats, pal. Blacks commit violent crime at a rate TEN TIMES HIGHER than that of whites.

    We’re talking interracial crime, chief.

    16% (446/2651) of black murderers killed white victims.
    8% (187/2675) of white murderers killed black victims.

    There doesn’t appear to be any targeting in those numbers. If blacks were randomly selecting victims, ~70% would be white. So relying on “but..but..VIOLENT CRIME THO!” doesn’t substantiate your claim. There’s in no evidence for hate crimes in those numbers.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  135. Randal says:
    @Anon

    Why bother with Travon. There are better examples. There is room for objective people to disagree.

    The advantage of the Trayvon Martin case is that it is very high profile, and almost everyone can directly recall the active mendacity of almost all the mainstream media in deliberately mis-portraying him as an innocent-looking child long after they knew better.

    There is no room for honest objective people to disagree about that straightforward fact, which directly supports Unz’s point about a “pattern of blatant dishonesty that is too large and continues for too long ”.

  136. vinteuil says:
    @Boris

    A few years ago, I posted an article at Richard Spencer’s original Alt-Right site, in which I demonstrated, based entirely on government statistics, that blacks commit “hate crimes” against whites about ten times more frequently than the other way ’round.

    In other words, the usual, predictable ratio of black vs. white crime.

    If I dug it up again, would you read it?

    Or you could look it all up yourself. The important point is that you have to look at the NCVS – the National Crime Victimization Survey – and not the FBI stats.

    • Replies: @roofgoat
    , @Wanderer
  137. Rurik says:
    @gwynedd1

    A black guy with a dad and a good GPA is going to be better than a random white from the docks.

    well, I’d certainly prefer my daughter date a young Ben Carson over a young Charles Manson, but all things being what they are, if I saw those two young men in the photos coming to get my daughter, I suspect there’d be lead in the air before she’d be driving off with those two.

    The reason blacks present a greater threat to specifically white folks is because of their bile-dripping thug-life culture + having marinated in a toxic stew of media spun lies about all the terrible things white people have and are doing to them to keep them down. It (deliberately) creates hatred, and that hatred often expresses itself in horrible ways. And then, there’s an argument for wondering if blacks are just more violent and primitive than whites in general. Actually I think that may be one of their charms to the ladies. No girl wants a pasty, namby-pamby do-gooder. But then again all too often gals dance with the devil and get burned.

    But anyways, yea, a decent black (or brown or yellow or whatever) fella is always going to be better than a white scumbag. But a father always should want the best for his little princesses, no?

    • Replies: @gwynedd1
  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MQ

    Once again for you math-ignorant working-class idiots. Now try to follow along.

    34oo divided by 77 (1882 – 1959) years equals 44 lynchings per year. According to the census, in 1880 there were 7.5 million blacks in the USA. In 1960, 18.9 million. That’s a mean average (good enough for our purposes) of 13.2 million blacks per year of whom 44 were lynched which works out to 1 out of 300,000 blacks lynched per year.

    Now, given that black males commit murder, rape, armed robbery, assault and burglary at the world’s highest rates (in multiples of tens per 100,000), are you trying to make the argument that none of those thugs deserved to be lynched? For murder alone there would be roughly 60 black perpetrators per year. Throw in rape and armed robbery or assault and the number of perpetrators skyrockets into the hundreds. If anything, whites have been far too lenient on black males.

    This year, 1 out of 8400 Americans will be killed in automobile accidents. Thus, the likelihood of a black person’s having been lynched in any year was 36 times less than of his being killed in an auto accident today.

    Try to educate yourself so that you can acquire a sense of perspective. The world makes much more sense when you see the big picture.

    • Replies: @Gail
    , @Anonymous
  139. @roofgoat

    Mengele said it best…”the more we do to you, the less you believe we are doing it”.

    I googled that quote. Among the links on the first page was one to the project of Ms. Rene Brown’s Language Arts class at Peters Township middle school.

    The student-writers posted their references — almost all to websites, except for notes from Ms. Brown’s lectures. The Mengele quote was sourced to http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/joseph_mengele_quote_e5e2

    The student writing contained numerous spelling and grammar errors, but hey, they’re just 12- and 13- year olds (or were 6 years ago; now they’re old enough to vote).

    Here’s what else they had to say about Dr. Mengele:

    He killed women with injections that caused horrible pain, stomach spasms, and bleeding (Auschwitz). Dr. Herta Oberhauser also came to Auschwitz (Auschwtiz). She worked mostly with adults. She gave them oil injections, took out main organs, and threw sawdust and chipped glass into open wounds (Auschwitz).

    . . .

     Josef Mengele was always the fist doctor that was called when an “experiment” needed to be done (The Holocaust). He preformed untrained spinal surgery, body dissection, and twin sketches on his patients (Auschwitz). The get his experimental bodies he went into the barracks and offered clothes and candy to people (Auschwitz). Then he took them personally to the laboratory (Auschwitz). He mostly experimented on the children rather than the adults (Auschwitz).
    . . .
    Tortures were only done to amuse people . . .to find cheaper and easier ways to kill people.

    Of special interest was Ms. Brown’s students’ mention of Mengele’s experiments on twins:

     When a pair of twins was found they would be killed at the exact same time to keep the body cycle in sync (Auschwitz). Mengele then dissected each twin personally because he liked to sketch every part of their bodies exactly (Auschwitz). Josef Mengele did numerous tests to see how the twins reacted (Gates). He put dye in their eyes to attempt to change their eye color (Gates). Mengele stated, “The more we do to you, the less you believe we are doing it”(Dr. Joseph Mengele). He was almost fanatical about drawing and exchanging blood (The Holocaust). The victims were usually left without bandages and died because of infection if they did not die during the experiment (The Holocaust). If the victims did not die during or after the experiment cycle they were killed (Auschwitz).

    I find this passage interesting because it is very similar to the conversation an 86-year old holocaust survivor had with an interviewer on NPR last year. The occasion was the trial of a 93-year old German man on trial as an accomplice to murder based on his work as a baggage handler at trains to concentration camps. The woman said she had been contacted by legal staff in the prosecution of the German. She said that she and her twin sister were at Auschwitz, where she became very ill. “Dr. Mengele stood by my bed and said I would die in two or three days. I was determined not to die because if I died he would kill my twin sister.”

    No doubt it was her “determination not to die” rather than the care she received in the hospital at Auschwitz that accounts for her survival to the fine age of 86, still healthy enough to travel to Europe to participate in the prosecution of a 93-year old baggage handler. (He was convicted and sentenced to prison.)

    What happens when the 12- to 14-year old students in Ms. Brown’s class grow up? They posted on the world wide web, in about 2009:

    Around eleven million people were killed during the Holocaust. Six million of the people killed were Jewish and killed just because it was possible. The other five million people were non-Jews. They were killed because Hitler did not want them in his perfect race. His perfect race was known as the Aryian [sic] race. They were either killed on the spot or taken to death camps to suffer. In death camps people were killed by gassing, starvation, shooting, disease, burning, and any other way that was thought of. [emphasis theirs]

    Do they ever challenge these claims?

    They wrote:

    When prisioners [sic] first arrived in death camps, they were killed on the spot or sent straight to the gas chambers unless they were fit to work (The Holocaust). They would be forced into the gas chambers or just shot on the spot (Gates). They could also die of starvation, disease, shooting, and burning (Auschwitz). The gas chambers were used to exterminate large sums of people using Zyklon-B gas (The Holocaust). Jews, gypsies, Soviet POWs and other prisoners were all killed (The Holocaust). If the prisioners [sic] were fit to work they would receive [sic] hard and pointless jobs (Auschwitz). Ms. Brown stated, “Some of the jobs were even assisting in the killings of  their friends and family”(Brown).  Some prisioners were also killed through brutal medical experiments.

    Ron Unz wrote:

    “We naively tend to assume that our media accurately reflects the events of our world and its history, but instead what we all too often see are only the tremendously distorted images of a circus fun-house mirror, with small items sometimes transformed into large ones, and large ones into small. The contours of historical reality may be warped into almost unrecognizable shapes, with some important elements completely disappearing from the record and others appearing out of nowhere. I’ve often suggested that the media creates our reality, but given such glaring omissions and distortions, the reality produced is often largely fictional. Our standard histories have always criticized the ludicrous Soviet propaganda during the height of Stalin’s purges or the Ukrainian famine, but in its own way, our own media organs sometimes seem just as dishonest and absurd in their own reporting.”

    Does the same apply to America’s teachers?

    What happens when our young people — those then-13-year olds, now 19- to 20-year olds– discover that “the historical reality” they learned in Ms. Brown’s 3rd Period Language Arts class at Peters Township Middle School (a Blue Ribbon School!) was “warped into almost unrecognizable shapes . . . dishonest and absurd . . .”

    Does the same pattern that Unz claimed applies to media, apply also to the public education system in the US?

    “A pattern of blatant dishonesty that is too large and continues for too long produces obvious consequences. On a whole range of issues, certainly including racial ones, [as well as claims about Nazis and holocaust] the American media education system may be fast approaching the point of possessing negative credibility, with increasing numbers of people tending to assume that the facts may be exactly opposite to what the media their teachers claim.”

    Several years ago Jeremy ben Ami, founder of J-Street, spoke about a book he had just written, about the I-P conflict. In the audience was a man who teaches Ben Ami’s children. That teacher asked, “What shall we teach our children?”

    ben Ami acknowledged that the question had very personal import.
    He answered the question: “We must tell them the truth, otherwise there will be resentment.”
    ben Ami’s voice trailed off and the book event ended.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?301263-1/new-voice-israel

    Who is going to tell Rene Brown’s 3rd Period Literary Arts class that they were lied to, and how will they react?

    (And who is going to tell them that they really ought to spell-check their work.)

    • Replies: @roofgoat
  140. Boris says:
    @Randal

    overnment data (and most information in most of our mainstream media) can safely be assumed to be subject to colossal bias in provenance, selection and display, intended to favour antiracist (and globalist, but that’s another aspect) political interests.

    This isn’t a safe assumption at all. It assumes a conspiracy not in evidence. After all, the things you now know about the Trayvon Martin case and the Michael Brown case came from the media and the government that you say is untrustworthy.

    So it is wholly reasonable to accept data from such sources when it goes against antiracist interests

    That’s not the way reason works. All you are doing is proclaiming a conspiracy and then choosing to believe what makes you happy. You can replace “antiracist” with anything and come up with the same illogical argument. The government is antipickles, so I know that when I hear bad things about pickles, those are the lies, and when I hear good things about pickles, that is the truth. Yum, pickles! But, honestly, this kind of faulty reasoning is probably why you’re a racist in the first place.

    Whites are only just starting to be fully trained in the arts of race grievance-mongering, as blacks have been schooled for generations.

    Don’t downplay white people’s genetic talents for “grievance-mongering.” They go to the Supreme Court over a middling student not getting into her first choice of law school. Of course, black people had actual grievances, you know.

    As far as I’m concerned it’s you who needs to find the evidence to contradict such a common sense assertion.

    Ah, yes, common sense. The flat-earthers appeal to that too.

    • Replies: @Randal
  141. @Boris

    Did the “rise of Trump” inspire a black teen to burn alive an 85-year old white man named Gene Dacus recently in Birmingham, Alabama?

    • Replies: @Boris
  142. Fred Reed says:
    @Bob Johnson

    Actually a great deal is known about the Trayvon affair, but most know only what appeared in the media. Worth a read isl If I Had a Son

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=if+i+had+a+son

    I don-t think many people are aware of the level of distortion that occurred in the MSM

    • Replies: @Azote
  143. @Bob Johnson

    I usually love Unz’s articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material. While you are right about michael brown robbing the store owner, nothing suggests trayvon martin was in the wrong for attacking zimmerman.

    That’s true if by “nothing” you mean “everything”.

    • Agree: vinteuil
  144. @hhsiii

    “Yes, the above article says it was in Florida, but it was in Myrtle Beach and McClellanville. SC where she was killed.”

    Her name was Britanee Drexel.

  145. @deplorable frog

    its true that Zimmerman should have “backed down”, but there was no reason for Martin to assault him.

    Zimmerman was not pursuing Trayvon when Trayvon attacked him. Z was going back to his car.

  146. roofgoat says:
    @vinteuil

    Bill Whittle on Racial Violence

  147. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Whoever is behind the curtain does NOT determine what I think.

    …I am responsible for what I think.

    I was referring to the sheeple. The narrative, if you will. It is what it is.

    if you poll ten thousand Americans randomly and ask them, ‘were the Nazis racists who considered themselves superior to others? ; 9,999 of those people would say yes. (myself included)

    What is the alternative? To allow the status quo to persist? That’s the posture of a coward.

    I believe there are very few people who are more tenacious as I in pointing out the lies told about Nazi Germany. But I’ll only go so far. From everything I know about them, their uber fascism and so forth, they would have killed a guy like be for being unwilling to shut off my brain and blindly support the Fuhrer in all things. I’d prefer to imagine myself in the mold of Rommel, who Hitler forced to commit suicide for Rommel’s unwillingness to give his support to the disastrous Nazi regime. No to Nazis, yes to truth!

    What other nations will we wipe out based on obeisance to the sacred lie of the holocaust?

    have to go

    suffice to say I consider the immediate ‘big lie’ being 911 today. And it’s that lie that is responsible for the wars today.

    • Replies: @L.K
  148. Wanderer says:
    @vinteuil

    Who cares about Boris.

    Why don’t you post the link for the rest of us to read?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  149. @Chico

    I agree. Many if not most adolescent males in urban or suburban areas have had the unpleasant experiance of being stalked by a “chickenhawk.” Happened to me and my friends in the 1970s, This started when we were 12-13 years old, we had to run. It must be ten times worse now with gay liberation and discrimination laws.

    To Trayvon, Zimmerman probably looked like a creep stalker like Jeff Dahmer following him down an alley.

    The problem with this defense is that the stalking had ended. Zimmerman lost Trayvon (who had made it to the place he was staying) and was heading back to his car when Trayvon leapt from the bushes to attack him.

    • Replies: @Chico
  150. The only entry in David Talbot’s book, Season of the Witch, under “documents” is my blog about the Nation of Islam murders in San Francisco (the Zebra Murders), Sacramento, Oklahoma City and New York City: http://thezebraproject.blogspot.com/ , which Ron Unz linked to above.

    Since 2004, I have done more research on the NOI’s murders of whites across the country than anyone but Clark Howard, the author of: Zebra: The True Account of 179 Days of Terror in San Francisco (downlaodable for free online!), and since 1989-1990, I have done more research on black supremacism and black-on-white violence than anyone, period. (My main blog, which is not limited to black supremacism, and contains over 10,000 entries, is: http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/ .)

    Oddly, Talbot’s claims in his book (e.g., that the NOI murders were limited to San Francisco, and that black detective, and future affirmative action chief of police Earl Sanders made any contribution on the case), completely contradict what he found in Zebra and at my blog. He gives no explanation for that. Talbot also gets the number of Zebra victims wrong.

    Ron Unz has graciously archived 15 of my articles and reports here: http://unz.org/Author/StixNicholas, and reprinted a sixteenth article of mine here: http://www.unz.com/article/the-death-of-first-amendment/?highlight=Stix

    My race war exposés for VDARE (2004-) are archived here: http://www.vdare.com/users/nicholas-stix .

    Free Zebra book download: http://www.archive.org/details/Zebra-Clark-Howard

  151. @Sam Shama

    Semi-legal would be an LBO using Nazi Gold.

    1. Allies cleaned out every cave and castle they could find that held Nazi papers. The claims that Nazis “stole” someone else’s gold strikes me as farcical. More likely the other way around.

    2. We know for a fact that Allies removed nearly 9 000 pieces of artwork from German museums and shipped them to New York. Allies also destroyed untold thousands of other items of German art. (“Capturing the German Eye,” by Cora Sol Goldstein)

    3. According to Rick Atkinson, who hopes to be America’s Homer to the story of WWII, US troops removed all manner of treasure from Germany (and France, Italy & North Africa). He recounts that military personnel tasked with recovering and returning to their loved ones the bodies of soldiers who died in Europe, would first remove all of the stolen items still remaining with that corpse. The goods included gems, watches, jewelry, gold, weapons, textiles, manuscripts and the like. The items were warehoused.

    4. Robert Wolfe, (late) director of the German archive at the National Archives, observed in a speech that the USA is in possession of a great deal of valuable items that have never been returned to the Germans.

    So here’s what i would suggest about that leveraged buy-out, Sam: Jewish owners of media should consider that they have already been paid.
    Multiple times.
    If they agree to quietly quit any claim to resources of the American people that they have used to pernicious ends and to the disadvantage of the American people, the US legal system will refrain from prosecuting those who have acted as foreign agents for years, without properly registering.

    The US legal system will refrain from prosecuting certain Jews for lies that embroiled the USA in wars that cost the American taxpayers billions of dollars.

    The US legal system will allow them to keep their desk, chair, a suit of clothes and a pair of shoes. Make them good shoes, preferably ones that float, and start walking, all the way to Tel Aviv.

    (heh. again with the shoes. maybe it’s freudian. )

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  152. Alephzero says:

    Ron, for a brilliant mind, why should anyone take you seriously after this article? I have not always agreed with you but have always enjoyed reading your articles. But this article is just pathetic for the many reasons alluded to above. I will not bother repeating them.
    I regret to say you have just debased yourself. Please go back to the Ron that has made this website one of the very best on the web. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
    PS. This is my first comment on this blog.

  153. lavoisier says: • Website

    In your own numbers Boris, black murderers are twice as likely to kill white persons as white murderers are to kill black persons (16% versus 8%).

    Seems like quite an imbalance to me and suggests that blacks may well be more likely to engage in hate crime than whites.

    And for such a small population, there seems to be an awful lot of killing.

    • Replies: @Boris
  154. Gail says:
    @Anonymous Smith

    Although we can’t, with any confidence, analyze Emmett Till’s case from where we are today, we can glean at least one small, but important, clue from the Unz article, and that is the reference to the “wolf whistle”. A wolf-whistle (I had to look it up) is when you stick your fingers in your mouth in order to amplify and project the whistling sound. Now, for a young black male to do that (which would almost certainly have been accompanied by sexually orientated proclamations of one kind or other) toward a white women, in that day and age, in Mississippi, I would say that there is a strong possibility of ASPD demonstrated in that.

    I see. So let me summarize your line of reasoning, tell me if I’m missing something:

    Wolf-whistling at white woman + Psychopath Father + Possible inheritance of father’s ASPD = Grounds for Execution ?

    • Agree: Boris
    • Replies: @Anonymous Smith
  155. Gail says:
    @Anonymous

    34oo divided by 77 (1882 – 1959) years equals 44 lynchings per year. According to the census, in 1880 there were 7.5 million blacks in the USA. In 1960, 18.9 million. That’s a mean average (good enough for our purposes) of 13.2 million blacks per year of whom 44 were lynched which works out to 1 out of 300,000 blacks lynched per year.

    Now, given that black males commit murder, rape, armed robbery, assault and burglary at the world’s highest rates (in multiples of tens per 100,000), are you trying to make the argument that none of those thugs deserved to be lynched? For murder alone there would be roughly 60 black perpetrators per year. Throw in rape and armed robbery or assault and the number of perpetrators skyrockets into the hundreds. If anything, whites have been far too lenient on black males.

    Here’s where your logic breaks down. You’re using recent and current crime rates of blacks to make inferences about their crime rates between 1882 and 1959. It’s well-known that crime rates among blacks skyrocketed after the civil rights era. So these numbers are probably a gross overestimate of pre-civil rights crime rates among blacks. Is it so hard to accept that some of the lynched blacks may have been innocent, or may not have deserved punishments as severe as lynching? And I love how you add in rape/armed robbery/assault to the numbers, as though execution by lynching is a perfectly justifiable punishment for these crimes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. @Boris

    We’re talking interracial crime, chief.

    16% (446/2651) of black murderers killed white victims.
    8% (187/2675) of white murderers killed black victims.

    There doesn’t appear to be any targeting in those numbers. If blacks were randomly selecting victims, ~70% would be white. So relying on “but..but..VIOLENT CRIME THO!” doesn’t substantiate your claim. There’s in no evidence for hate crimes in those numbers.

    Ah, I see. The FBI now politically-correctifies its statistics. I just checked through what the FBI now posts online as “statistics”. Typical government scumbaggery. Too bad.

    Up through 2013, the on-line FBI crime tables contained some amount of breakdown by race, usually as Tables 43A through 67C. I have copies of them. Probably won’t copy/paste into this comment space, but, let me try … see below, not so good. That is a copy of Excel spreadsheet columns A1-M39.

    I have spreadsheets for 17 FBI tables having some, but somewhat mixed, race stats for 2013. I guess I kinda had a feeling that PC would come to the, er, people’s national law-enforcement agency.

    [MORE]

    Table 55A
    Arrests
    Metropolitan Counties
    by Race, 2013
    [1,374 agencies; 2013 estimated population 57,208,460]
    Offense charged Total arrests Percent distribution1
    Race
    Total White “Black or
    African
    American” “American
    Indian or
    Alaska
    Native” Asian “Native
    Hawaiian
    or Other
    Pacific
    Islander” Total White “Black or
    African
    American” “American
    Indian or
    Alaskan
    Native” Asian “Native
    Hawaiian
    or Other
    Pacific
    Islander”
    TOTAL 1,693,094 1,230,918 425,496 13,587 21,751 1,342 100.0 72.7 25.1 0.8 1.3 0.1
    Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter 1,607 929 647 10 20 1 100.0 57.8 40.3 0.6 1.2 0.1
    Rape3 2,433 1,818 576 13 24 2 100.0 74.7 23.7 0.5 1.0 0.1
    Robbery 9,856 4,574 5,134 39 99 10 100.0 46.4 52.1 0.4 1.0 0.1
    Aggravated assault 55,370 38,958 15,194 480 665 73 100.0 70.4 27.4 0.9 1.2 0.1
    Burglary 38,997 29,270 9,172 183 342 30 100.0 75.1 23.5 0.5 0.9 0.1
    Larceny-theft 130,507 88,508 39,426 707 1,796 70 100.0 67.8 30.2 0.5 1.4 0.1
    Motor vehicle theft 10,130 7,758 2,126 76 148 22 100.0 76.6 21.0 0.8 1.5 0.2
    Arson 1,340 1,054 236 16 32 2 100.0 78.7 17.6 1.2 2.4 0.1
    Violent crime4 69,266 46,279 21,551 542 808 86 100.0 66.8 31.1 0.8 1.2 0.1
    Property crime4 180,974 126,590 50,960 982 2,318 124 100.0 69.9 28.2 0.5 1.3 0.1
    Other assaults 160,541 115,504 42,191 1,140 1,621 85 100.0 71.9 26.3 0.7 1.0 0.1
    Forgery and counterfeiting 9,908 6,201 3,532 33 137 5 100.0 62.6 35.6 0.3 1.4 0.1
    Fraud 26,284 17,971 7,896 157 256 4 100.0 68.4 30.0 0.6 1.0 *
    Embezzlement 2,404 1,468 905 9 21 1 100.0 61.1 37.6 0.4 0.9 *
    Stolen property; buying, receiving, possessing 15,152 10,861 4,084 75 125 7 100.0 71.7 27.0 0.5 0.8 *
    Vandalism 28,150 21,214 6,414 249 261 12 100.0 75.4 22.8 0.9 0.9 *
    Weapons; carrying, possessing, etc. 18,484 12,258 5,939 74 186 27 100.0 66.3 32.1 0.4 1.0 0.1
    Prostitution and commercialized vice 3,318 1,916 1,146 29 223 4 100.0 57.7 34.5 0.9 6.7 0.1
    Sex offenses (except rape and prostitution) 9,696 7,771 1,746 66 110 3 100.0 80.1 18.0 0.7 1.1 *
    Drug abuse violations 237,935 174,210 59,636 1,204 2,693 192 100.0 73.2 25.1 0.5 1.1 0.1
    Gambling 721 393 193 7 122 6 100.0 54.5 26.8 1.0 16.9 0.8
    Offenses against the family and children 31,065 18,290 12,465 174 135 1 100.0 58.9 40.1 0.6 0.4 *
    Driving under the influence 227,077 191,702 28,277 1,358 5,441 299 100.0 84.4 12.5 0.6 2.4 0.1
    Liquor laws 35,568 31,091 3,419 529 523 6 100.0 87.4 9.6 1.5 1.5 *
    Drunkenness 34,919 29,924 4,228 355 369 43 100.0 85.7 12.1 1.0 1.1 0.1
    Disorderly conduct 43,164 27,607 14,851 355 345 6 100.0 64.0 34.4 0.8 0.8 *
    Vagrancy 2,024 1,537 455 12 18 2 100.0 75.9 22.5 0.6 0.9 0.1
    All other offenses (except traffic) 553,863 386,456 154,885 6,220 5,886 416 100.0 69.8 28.0 1.1 1.1 0.1
    Suspicion 43 36 7 0 0 0 100.0 83.7 16.3 0.0 0.0 0.0
    Curfew and loitering law violations 2,538 1,639 716 17 153 13 100.0 64.6 28.2 0.7 6.0 0.5

  157. So in the first part of the statement, Unz makes it sound like the media downplayed the severity of Till’s offense towards the white lady, but then he gives no evidence of what the supposedly more serious offense was. He points out Till’s father was a convicted murderer. Unz doesn’t mention that his dad was put to death in 1945, when Emmett was 4 years old. Exactly how much influence could his murdering/rapist dad have had on him?

    1. The fact that, in this day and age, you remain ignorant of DNA is duly noted.

    2. Ron doesn’t need any evidence of a “supposedly more serious offense”. The point is that there is no reason whatsoever to believe the account we have been given.

  158. @Bob Johnson

    Nothing suggests Trayvon Martin was in the wrong you say? Only the fact the jury found Zimmerman acted in self defense when he shot Trayvon. Nor was he told not to follow Trayvon, but instead a non police 911 operator told him you don’t have to do that at which point he responded in the affirmative and was in the process of returning to his car when assaulted. More interesting than the Klans history, during which 1 out 3 of their victims were white, is that neither the ADL or the SPLC estimate their current membership in excess of 6000, which means liberals invest a lot of ink on a group with virtually zero political clout. As to whether Till sexually assaulted the shooters wife, it is of course gospel among liberals that whether a sexual assault occurs or not is in the eye of the victim, unless of course the perp is black and the victim white.

  159. @Anonymous Smith

    Again, Ron, damn good article!

    I’m a hunt-n-peck typist, so lemme get right to it.

    First things first. You wrote about the dishonesty of the MSM, and I couldn’t agree with you more, but you failed to give anything more than a superficial treatment of what is, in reality, an incomprehensively massive problem. Volumes could be written about the depravity of the MSM, I know, I just feel like you could have used stronger language in your descriptions of them. But, let’s move on…

    In order to effectively fight against something you have to “know thine enemy.” So, in order to know this enemy, the MSM, we have to dig into the guts of these organizations and find out who the hell is calling the shots. So, let’s do that. Let us start with the owners/chief operators of the various MSM corporations.

    Viacom: Chairman and CEO, Sumner Redstone. Sumner is Jewish.
    Comcast: Chairman and CEO, Brian L. Roberts. Brian is Jewish.
    The Walt Disney Company: Chairman and CEO, Robert A. Iger. Robert is Jewish.
    Time Warner: Chairman and CEO, Jeff Bewkes. Jeffrey is Jewish.
    News Corp: Chairman and CEO, Rupert Murdoch. Rupert is a Jew, by Jewish law.
    CBS: President and CEO, Leslie Moonves. Les is Jewish.

    These six corporations control more than 90% of the media in the US. The other 10% of the US media is also effectively controlled by the Jews through strategic infiltration into high level executive positions, and into all other levels (writers, producers, directors, editors, columnists, etc., etc.) of corporate operations.

    The Jews control the MSM. They’re also vastly overrepresented in the Cultural Marxism/Social Justice movement, which is heavily propagandized to the American people through the MSM, numerous Jewish controlled NGO’s, and, of course, the entire educational system.

    Let’s move on.

    Check this out…

    http://clashdaily.com/2015/12/breaking-17-black-thugs-arrested-for-burning-white-girl-alive-the-msm-is-silent/

    It’s hard to plumb the depths of human barbarity…every time I think I’ve heard, or seen, the worst example of man’s inhumanity something new comes along to take it’s place.

    In order to comprehend the true magnitude of black-on-white criminality (and where we’re headed (Race/Civil War) if we fail to get control of the beast) we need to look for news aggregation websites that specialize in black-on-white crime. I’ve only found one to date…

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEbta5E_jqlZmEJsriTEtnw

    There may be others, I don’t know…if anyone knows of other sites like this one lemme know.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  160. roofgoat says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Solonto, my quote regarding Mengele has nothing to do with him being the monster he was – it is a quote that sheds light on the power of denial. And it applies to ALL people, not just jews WW2 Germany.

    Thus my point later in that post stating those that should know better what is going on today are just as in a strong state of denial. It’s just a slower boil.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  161. @Boris

    Now, this data isn’t perfect. Certainly not all racially motivated attacks will be labelled as hate crimes. But there is no evidence here that blacks commit more racially motivated attacks, let alone the “overwhelming majority” of them.

    People who live in the real world know that 95% of hate crimes fall into one of two categories:

    (1) Blacks attacking whites or, less often, other non-blacks; and

    (2) Non-queers attacking queers or people perceived to be queer.

    • Replies: @Boris
  162. @roofgoat

    If Mengele was such a monster why was he not tried at Nuremberg?

    what is the basis for your declaration that Mengele was a monster?

    We know that anti-German propaganda was purveyed, by the British, Americans, and Jews, from at least 1933 until the present, and that much of it was grotesquely distorted.

    Ron Unz expressed at least half-a-dozen times in the article above that when reality, truth, the facts, etc. are distorted, seen thru a fun-house mirror, etc. consistently and relentlessly, eventually the purveyors of those distortions lose all credibility, and the only way to discern what is real is by assuming the opposite to be true.

    Do you believe the systems Ron described applies to all other phenomenon but not to the narratives of WWII/ Nazis / holocaust?

    Are you claiming that THOSE narratives were true and real in every respect, but every other instance of fun house distortions of reality should be mistrusted?

    If that’s not what you intend, then why resort to quoting something that may or may not have been said by Mengele, whose actual character we really can’t know because it has been so completely distorted by anti-German propagandists?

    I don’t understand your explanation about the “power of denial.” Nevertheless, imo you cloud the issue when you introduce information attributed to a “monster” like Mengele, or any other “Nazi” related source, because anything and everything Nazi is ipso facto loaded, and distorted beyond all ability to convey any measure of credibility.


    OK — I read your comment again, and again.
    You think Black people are sources of some of the biggest problems USA faces.
    I don’t.
    You think most people are “in denial” that Blacks are a major problem. Maybe. But see above — I don’t think Blacks are the biggest problem, so “denial” or not denial is irrelevant.

    I think Black people are being used.

    How many Black people are in charge of media?
    How many Black people have the power to involve USA in wars?
    How many Black people can pull levers that destabilize the economies of millions — tens of millions of people, the way the US Treasury is destabilizing Iran, Syria, Russia?
    Bibi comes to DC and the entire Congress jumps up and down like kindergartners on meth.
    The best Black people can come up with is to trot out John Lewis to lead a sit-in — an ineffective and embarrassing exercise in silliness.

    Black people are pawns — stupid pawns, fawning ignorant sheeple suck-up pawns, but they are not power brokers.
    White people are starting to recognize how unempowered, or disempowered, they are. Blacks have known about disempowerment for a long time. Whites and Blacks are converging toward mutual disempowerment and it is scaring the crap out of Whites who have not been accustomed to impotence.

    Colin Powell was not calling the shots when he stood at the UN and said Saddam had to go, he was being used, because he was a Black man who had attained some stature. He was the Used one, not the User. NOTHING that Powell said redounded to his benefit — or to the benefit of a single Black American, for that matter. There are probably more Black men who died in Iraq than any other group. And Black people got nada out of the whole debacle.

    Rurik argues that the maybe-false information people believe about Nazis, etc. cannot be undone.
    That maybe so.
    But why continue to reinforce it?
    And are you making the strongest argument you can make if you rely on information that is held — however firmly — largely on the basis that it has been heavily propagandized? Aren’t there negative implications for holding onto information that may be false? How can an accurate analysis, or diagnosis, be conducted if the factors used in the calculation are of dubious credibility?

  163. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous Smith

    I disagree with are your thoughts on the Holocaust, and your characterization of the causes of Jewish paranoia.

    The real reason they fear and distrust white people in particular is because they’re up to no good and they’re deeply afraid we’ll discover their treacheries!

    and then what? Another Holocaust!

    I agree that much of what we’ve been told vis-a-vis the Holocaust was a fraud. (And some of it was true). But be that as it may, I suspect that most Jews are raised to believe it was all true. And that the goyim have been persecuting them for 2000 years, blah, blah, blah. You see what that does is it reinforces the idea that the Jews need to stick together and support their leaders- the rabbis who need money to keep them all protected, and stay suspicious of the dangerous and eternally anti-Semitic goyim. And have your fun with the shiksas, but don’t marry them!

    It’s a scam, but it works for the rabbis and the powerful Jews, so they keep the common Jews under their thrall. Divide and conquer.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Sam Shama
  164. @Wizard of Oz

    No, I am suggesting there is open support for offsetting the native-born somewhat creme au lait for a darker variety, but that the consequences for this preference are not quite what was expected.

  165. Boris says:
    @lavoisier

    In your own numbers Boris, black murderers are twice as likely to kill white persons as white murderers are to kill black persons (16% versus 8%).

    You missed this part:

    If blacks were randomly selecting victims, ~70% would be white.

    You have to take into account the population distribution. Since the black on white murder rate is so far below even the rate for victims picked completely at random, this is good evidence that blacks are not targeting whites. The hate crime statistics support the same conclusion.

    The same is true of whites of course. They are less likely to kill a black person than we would expect based on the population distribution.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  166. @Alden

    Thanks. I had temembered that Zimmer means “room” in German but not, until I did the obvious that Zimmerman(n) means “carpenter”. Presuming that Zimmermann wasn’t the kind of Getman name forbidden to Jews (amusing that “Liechtenstein” wasn’t protected in the Hapsburg territories!) I wasn’t surprised to find that it is said to be likely to be Jewish in Israel but German in Kansas. By analogy Florida is with NYC and Woody Allen…

  167. Boris says:
    @David In TN

    You guys are obsessed by anecdotal evidence. You need to kick the habit.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  168. @Alephzero

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    Yours seems closed, on the other hand.

  169. Rurik says:
    @utu

    He should not let her daughter go out with low class whites either.

    I agree, but what do you do here if you’re her father and your teenage daughter is dating this guy?



    When police found her later the night of December 6, 2014, not far from her mother’s Courtland home, her car was on fire and Chambers had burns over 98% of her body. She said something to a firefighter — authorities wouldn’t say what — before she was rushed to a hospital, where she died the next day.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/24/us/jessica-chambers-killing-arrest-mississippi/index.html

  170. @Alephzero

    PS. This is my first comment on this blog.
    One hopes it is you last.

  171. Boris says:
    @ben tillman

    People who live in the real world know

    In the real world we ask for evidence. I think you are think of fairly tales?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  172. @Anonymous Smith

    Total rubbish about Rupert Murdoch being Jewish and it really would be interesting to know how this crap gets started and repeated. (Maybe you should learn touch typing so you have more reading, listening and thinking time).

    What possible relevance to anything worth writing about (apart from family history for family) is the fact that Rupert’s DNA may be one eighth Ashkenazi because his mother’s mother’s mother was Jewish? What if he were like some Catholic cousins of mine who are blonde and blue-eyed and of three quarters Ashkenazi descent but couldn’t claim their Biblical patrilineal rights even if Dad had been a Cohen because of their mother’s mother….?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Smith
    , @iffen
  173. @Rurik

    I’m scratching my bald head trying to figure out why you’d want to reinforce the scams the rabbis are running, but whatever . . .

    Here’s a challenge for you, Rurik: You think the Achilles heel is the falseness of 9/11.

    Prepare a 3 minute talk to those kids in Middle School (@ 142) — the ones whose teacher let them get away with writing that a Nazi doctor “put sawdust and broken glass” into wounds.

    Explain to those kids why and how 9/11 is a false narrative.

    Peters Township is an upper- middle-class (mostly white collar), prosperous suburb, generally high educational achievement, diverse population. According to Mapquest, there’s a Chabad house not too far away, and the school is across from a large Catholic church. Your audience will include Christians, Jews, Muslims, a few Blacks, several different ethnic groups.

    How would you explain to them that 9/11 is false, and what the implications are?

    Would kids who were 5 yrs old when 9/11 happened, and who wrote as gospel –and apparently their teacher’s approval — that Mengele and Nazis shot or stuffed into gas chambers the people they didn’t first kill, believe you if you said that 9/11 was NOT pulled off by 19 Muslims with box cutters?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  174. that death/murder count of 270 is scary as fuck by the black muslims.

    is there a comparable death/murder count attributed to the KKK?

    270, fuck, holy shit. the first I have read/heard of this.

  175. Rurik says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Moreover, what you have with these Zebra murders is a narrative in which these Black Muslims are committing all these murders with no real motive.

    this one set my spine into almost a pretzel

    my neck kept on snapping back and doing a WTF over and over, reading the words to make sure they were really written like that, on purpose

    it’s almost like you really don’t know.. as impossible as that sounds. Wow!

    perhaps if you are that far from living in these “United” States of America, and getting a lot of your info from the same msm that Mr. Unz is talking about in this article, you might, just might be that staggeringly, monumentally, colossally naïve

    talk about duped and swallowing whatever you read or see in the media JR!

    OK, let me explain something to you. Most American black men hate American white men with a burning passion along the lines of ten gazillion super nova stars exploding simultaneously. They simmer with quite rage and festering, roiling murderous loathing. And that’s an understatement. You just have no idea.

    Now please understand that I’m not talking about the blacks you see in Hollywood movies, but even some of them are filled to the brim with race hate. Just consider for instance the move Hurricane Carter, about a black man who murdered white men and women out of black racist rage and hate. He was convicted twice for the race motivated murders, but was eventually released because a judge had said race was mentioned at the trial, (of course race was mentioned at the trial, that was the whole motive!!!) But since blacks can never, ever be considered guilty of racial crimes, they let him go. OK, fine. But then Denzel goes on to deify the man as if he were some kind hero, because he shot white people with a shot gun.

    How can I quantify this to you. I’m trying to point out that even our exalted celebrities with millions of dollars and every perk you could imagine hate the white man with a white hot simmering rage.

    Read some of the stuff I’ve read about Spike Lee. Or that famous jazz musician and trumpet player Miles Davis.

    If somebody told me I only had an hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.

    and these are famous celebrities that have been given every perk imaginable

    now consider the urban blacks on the streets, having had it hammered in at every moment and opportunity that the white man enslaved their ancestors and raped their great grandmothers and whipped them and beat them mercilessly, and lynched them for the slightest slight. And that even today it’s the white man who is holding them down and persecuting them and oppressing them relentlessly. It’s almost no wonder that every chance they get they rape white women (often if possible in front of their husbands or boyfriends). It’s no wonder that they go around and play knock out game and other assorted racist revenge violence.

    That you’re apparently unaware of the pure, raw, murderous hatred that many (not all!) American blacks have for the white man is staggering JR. How else do you rape a man in front of his girlfriend, and then mutilate him and set him on fire, before bringing your attention to the girl, and then gang raping her for days, and torturing her mercilessly, and then when your done, putting her into a garbage bag to suffocate slowly with bleach poured in her face and down her throat? How does a human do that to another (beautiful young) human unless the hatred is demonic, and otherworldly?

    Reminds me of what the Apache used to do to the white man when he got one. And there was hatred there too JR. Only the Apache didn’t marinate in 24/7 propaganda blaming all the struggles and strife in the black man’s life directly on the white man’s eternal and intractable and cruel and unjust racism.

    If you don’t think that those early Nation of Islam or Black Panthers hate the white man with a white hot passion, you just haven’t lived in the places I have, I suppose. Here’s an eloquent fellow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXG_AqVMM5c

    now I know this guy is not representative of most blacks, but just listen to the raw hate this man has marinated in

    or watch the video of Oprah pining for the day all white people just die

    or the professor that says all white people need to be “exterminated”.

    for you to act like blacks would have no motive for killing whites, is well, it’s just f’n amazing. I’m almost jealous of your naiveté. I wish I could live somewhere where blacks don’t hate whites and pine for the day when they could kill each and every last one of them. Like they did in Haiti. There’s a huge percentage of them that would do the exact same thing here JR. That’s a certainty.

    now I’ve ranted and I have to go tend to some things, alas.

    I agree with some of the other points you’re making, but I got sidetracked by your utterly bizarre and incomprehensible claim about a lack of motive !

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  176. @Alephzero

    ” the many reasons alluded to above” doesn’t absolve you from the duty not to waste people’s time with totally unparticularised generalities and an absence of reasoned argument.

    We know how you feel, but can you think?

  177. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I enjoy your humour on occasion, but urge you to raise a credible plan for buyouts. Sorry, but your desire to turn the U.S. into Germania 1933-45 shall only be confined to reveries.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  178. Azote says:
    @Fred Reed

    Distortion in the MSM?!

    But Fred, are you trying to imply that the mainstream newspapers and TV stations and websites of the planet have formed a secret society and conspired together to “distort” the information output in order to manipulate public opinion on the Trayvon affair?

    So you are going to join the “legion” at last after your last week’s mental diarrhea interesting essay on 911…

    Let us welcome ol’ Fred gentlemen, please someone bring a Texas sized tinfoil hat and champagne!

  179. @Gail

    Wow, that’s a fancy equation you’ve formulated there. Where’d you learn that…the Noel Ignatiev School of Libtard Mathematics? Oops! I hope I didn’t trigger you.

    Now, let’s see if we can get things cleared up…

    In my previous post, I was simply saying that Emmette Till could have been a psychopath, or a sociopath, since his father was a convicted rapist and a murderer. The father’s genetic filth could easily have been infected into his male offspring. Couple that with a background of abject poverty, and all the crap that goes along with that, and you’ve got the perfect environment for the development of violent psychopathy/sociopathy.

    I find it extremely difficult to believe that someone would hang a 14 yo boy for simply whistling at a white woman. There MUST be something more to it than that…I think we’re being misled. I think the Till boy was a psychopath, just like his father, and he sexually assaulted that woman. No one holds a murderous rage in check for three full days and then goes out to kill. That’s not the way it works at all. I think the woman was profoundly humiliated by the experience (rape) and couldn’t bare to tell her husband the truth. Then, after three days of urging, the poor woman finally broke down and told her worried husband the terrible truth. Upon hearing this hideous tale, he THEN flew into a murderous rage and quickly formulated a plan for revenge. They waited till nightfall, kidnaped the violent Negro, took him out and hung him. Case closed.

    Now, If that were me and my wife was raped by that Negro, ida done a whole lot more than just hang him. I would have taken him out to an abandoned shack in the middle of nowhere, and ida gone to work on his black ass with a pair of plyers and a blowtorch. His suffering would be, to this very day, the stuff of Mississippi legend!

    I hope I cleared every thing up to your satisfaction.

    Have a nice day!

    • Replies: @anon
  180. Che Guava says:

    Hello Ron,

    I had read of the Zebra killings long ago, in an article by Jim Goad in Answer Me./

    a decade ago disgruntled Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho killed 33 people within a couple of hours, and he hardly remains a household name these days.

    You are probably correct about not being a household name, but he is remembered by certain sets of, mainly young, ‘trolls’ at the time. Being reminded that it was about ten years ago makes me feel the passing of time.

    The mass media in your land is intent on creating an image of all weird violent crime, and particularly serial and mass killings, beimg by Americans of European descent.

    Goad wrote an interesting piece on Takimag this year about black serial killers, they seem to have the top score in total numbers, but all consigned to the memory hole.

    it fabricated all the monstrous crimes and horrific treacheries purportedly committed by the Trotskyite wreckers and other political deviationists.

    I am not at all sure that those were all fabrications, at least where the Trots were concerned, and am pretty sure that the Saker, often published here, would agree, based on his own recent writing on his blog that is a little more than a blog.

    Before the Internet, only gossip and rumor might have challenged media-endorsed falsehoods.

    True, but the ‘net is also a discontinuity, changing relative assessmeents of past literature and popular music to a huge degree, for example. Much has not made the transition, so one can only get a very false impression of much that was pre-digitisation and pre-cheap video.

    It throws a lot down the memory hole.

    Also the maln driver of the BLM, trigger warnings, and other such bullsit.

    Print and libraries are still very important.

    Great article, want to check several of the links after work.

  181. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    [And have your fun with the shiksas, but don’t marry them!]
    c’mon, have you checked on Jewish out-marriage rates?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  182. KenH says:

    The war against a largely non-existent “white racism” is in reality a war against white people and their legitimate interests. Anything that advances white interests or helps them survive is decried as “white racism”. I’d like to think an increasing number of race neutral, lame brained whites are beginning to see through this with the rise of the alt-right.

    I recommend everyone with an interest read “Zebra”. Thanks to ADV broadcasts by the late Dr. William Pierce I learned of this important work in the late 90′s and obtained a cheap copy from the internet.

    One portion of the book that really stood out was the case of a young, white female who moved into a black neighborhood. Her friends warned her against it, but of course, she was not a racist and a bigger person than them. Sadly, her stubbornness and “open mindedness” led to her assassination at the hands of an NOI “death angel” at a nearby laundromat. During the subsequent police investigation most of the black residents refused to assist the police owing to their own loathing and bigotry of white people.

    But we haven’t seen any made for television specials, countless documentaries, recognition by Congress and Hollywood, or periodic reminders of these terrible atrocities perpetrated by hate filled negro savages since that would contradict the carefully crafted media narrative of omnipresent white racism and villainy and black saintliness and victimhood. And we wouldn’t want whitey to start thinking askance about blacks in particular or integration and multiculturalism in general.

  183. @Sam Shama

    I’m glad I provide some enjoyment to you. Wish I could return the compliment.

    Your proposal that Jewish media owners enjoy a leveraged buyout is, in essence, similar to a deal proposed for Palestinians:
    “We (Jewish media owners/ Israel) will allow you to compensate us for the return of that which we took from you by force or subterfuge.”

  184. Polymath says:

    Ron, would you please provide some documentation as to Emmett Till’s previous violent acts? It really isn’t right to just throw that in without some evidence backing it up.

    It is possible to find out the facts of Till’s father’s crimes, or to find more complete descriptions of Till’s behavior toward Mrs. Bryant.

    But Till’s juvenile record? Or acquaintances’ accounts of assaults committed by him? Links, please.

  185. @Boris

    You refuse to face reality. You need to kick the habit.

  186. Rurik says:
    @utu

    I do not believe that there are true agnostics. People either believe there is god or that there is no god.

    well utu, I’m here to tell ya that I certainly am and basically always have been a true agnostic. I have no problem with not knowing if there’s a God or not or if there’s life after death or anything on the other side at all. I don’t need to know what happened before time or the advent of the universe or universes. I don’t need to understand what’s on the other side of the border of the universe, or even if there is one. And on and on. I’m perfectly comfortable not knowing, since I’m 100% convinced that I can’t know. Nobody can, IMHO. And that’s alright with me because I have no choice in the matter. The only choice I have is whether or not to believe in things I can’t understand or have knowledge about, and I do chose not to believe such things.

    Whatever, fine.

    But what got me thinking about all of this was your comment combined with JR’s observation about Travon, et al.

    the Trayvon case. My position is simply that I don’t know.

    What fascinates me about the situation is how people who cannot possibly know either express such certainty that they know what happened. That is a very interesting phenomenon.

    I agree with JR here, because I’ve felt the same way about these issues. When the Travon affair first came to light, I simply waited to see the details emerge before I drew any conclusions. I was agnostic on the issue. I said at one point that if Zimmerman was lying about screaming for help or anything else, that justice should be merciless. But then when it all came out that Travon acted like a violent thug, and was assaulting Zimmerman in a potentially deadly way, I said fine. Although I still don’t know if Zimmerman acted inappropriately during the whole affair. But just the way the media tried to lynch him and lied about what he actually said, I more or less was glad he got off.

    When Michael Green was left dead in the middle of the street, I was skeptical of the official account. But when I saw the video of him throttling the little store clerk, I basically considered him a thug. A nigger if you will, who lived by violence and died by violence.

    And when it came to some of the others, like Freddy Grey, I’m convinced that young man was not just murdered, but murdered in a cruel and monstrous way.

    But I always hold my verdict until the facts are in. Both with these sensational media circuses, or the existence of God.

    Just for the record. But I do like your characterization of the word ‘know’, nonetheless.

    • Replies: @utu
  187. Gene Su says:
    @WorkingClass

    WorkingClass, I was looking for someone to mention the Tuskegee survey. It’s too bad you didn’t compare them to black on black murder rates in modern times.

    This was written by Walter Williams a few years ago:

    http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns021313.php3#.V-CebtQrJhc

    Each year, more than 7,000 blacks are murdered. Close to 100 percent of the time, the murderer is another black person.

    According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation’s population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it’s 22 times that of whites. Coupled with being most of the nation’s homicide victims, blacks are also most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery. The magnitude of this tragedy can be seen in another light. According to a Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute study, between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 blacks were lynched at the hands of whites.

    • Replies: @BostonTea
  188. KenH says:
    @Boris

    These data confirms that by blacks committing 23.2% of hate crimes they are doing so at almost twice their rate in the generate population, whereas whites at 62.0% of the population are committing hate crimes at a lower rate of 52.0%. However, mestizos/latinos offenders are often lumped in with whites and if we make reasonable assumption that they are committing hate crimes at equal their percentage of the general population (16%) than the white figure decreases to 36.0%.

    In 2014, blacks committed 561,000 violent crimes against whites while whites only committed 99,000 violent crimes against blacks. Adjusted for percentages this means blacks are 25 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites than the reverse. Blacks choose white victims almost as much as black victims and if the FBI were honest they would consider some of these hate crimes since blacks are clearly targeting whites based on their race.

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

    • Replies: @Boris
  189. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey SC,

    Yes I believe that exposing the truth about 911 is more critical (and possible) and would accomplish the exact same thing, only better, than concentrating on some of the lies about the Holocaust. But I respect your efforts and enjoy your commentary.

    And I also agree with you about all the lies they’ve told and endlessly tell about WWII in general. The tales of Nazi surgeons sewing feet to arms and hands to feet should be given the kind of ridicule you’re very good at. Kudos.

    Perhaps if we all continue to foist the real truth, we’ll make some progress and in our own little way, do what we can to prevent the kind of horrors that happened during WWI and II and 911 (and more to the point its aftermath)

    we’re both interested in the truth and preventing more mindless human misery. That should be good enough for now.

    cheers

  190. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Jewish out-marriage rates

    Now Sam, the post you responded to had some interesting musings on what Jews are taught vis-a-vis the Holocaust. In particular, are Jew generally taught that everything that was claimed was all the God’s honest gospel?

    Now rather than talk about assimilation rates, and perhaps that too is an interesting subject, what I’d be curious about is what is taught in the yeshivas and synagogues. Are Jews generally taught that the whole narrative of the Holocaust was all true, every bit of it?

    The lampshades, the shrunken heads, the human soap factories? Indeed, there were some pretty outlandish claims that were made about geysers of blood shooting into the air where the Nazis were tossing babies out of lories onto bomb fires. There were specially trained eagles and bears that were used to kill Jews, and so forth.

    How much of this stuff is taught in the Jewish communities and schools and so forth as gospel fact, and how much is sort of just dismissed?

    Being as you’re Jewish and were raised so, you could shed some fascinating light on all of that, I would think, no? (And I am asking sincerely and with all due respect Sam).

  191. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bob Johnson

    Zimmerman didn’t follow Trayvon after the dispatcher said he didn’t need him to. If you actually listen to the recording of the call, after the dispatcher says “We don’t need you to do that.”, Zimmerman stays on the line for ninety seconds giving his information.

    Ninety seconds would have been plenty of time for Trayvon to walk the distance from where Zimmerman’s car was parked to the house. If Zimmerman had continued following him, he would have caught up to him before he even hung up the phone.

    But in reality, it’s even worse than that. Trayvon’s body was only about one hundred feet from Zimmerman’s car. So unless he was walking at the speed of around one foot per second, he couldn’t have been walking toward the house. And, again, unless Zimmerman was following him at that ridiculously slow speed, he would have caught him before he was even off the phone.

    Of course, Trayvon didn’t HAVE to walk home. What’s more likely is that he either went someplace near where his body was found and waited for Zimmerman to come back (which would be “lying in wait”), or he went somewhere else and then came back towards Zimmerman’s car.

    We’ll almost certainly never know which he did, but the fact is, Zimmerman wasn’t “following” him at that point, because it’s simply impossible to follow someone who is either not moving, or is moving toward you.

  192. anon • Disclaimer says:

    There’s another book about the Zebra Killings, called “The Zebra Murders”, by Prentice Earl Sanders. It’s been some time since I read it, but if I recall correctly, the basic idea is that, while the murders happened, some of the more extreme details were made up by informants. Nobody seems to have seen the “Death Angels” photographs, for example.

    I suspect that the story is basically true, but with sort of a “McMartin Preschool” effect, where details get increasingly gruesome as informants start exaggerating.

    Also, I’d like to point out that one pretty obvious reason the KKK gets more airtime is that they were more public. They wore spooky costumes and had rallies and even controlled the state of Indiana for awhile. They were looking for attention, to an extent. It’s not surprising that they got it.

    And, for what it’s worth, there is a subplot in Toni Morrison’s novel “Song Of Solomon” that seems, to me, to bear a pretty strong resemblance to the Zebra Killings. Each member has to kill a person on a certain day of the week to get their “wings”. Something along those lines, anyway.

  193. @Boris

    In the real world we ask for evidence. I think you are think of fairly tales?

    In the real world we experience and observe. The evidence is my testimony.

  194. @Hepp

    “Black men, as a group, rob, rape and kill in in astronomical numbers.” Based in which source? Do you even know the definition of “astronomical”? Here are some statistics for you bitch:
    Homicides in the US by victim and perpetrator.
    Blacks killed by white 4.4 *
    Whites killed by black 1.8 *
    Whites killed by white 10.1 *
    *As a share of each ethnic group’s population.
    By the way, I’m Mexican

  195. @Poupon Marx

    What’s your source for your racist allegations, poop Marx?

  196. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Big Bill

    Regarding Till. I see a couple of points.

    First, Non Southerners were looking for a symbol. The surprising fact — from Wikipedia, no less — is that Southerners were disgusted with the crime.

    Mississippi’s governor, Hugh L. White, deplored the murder, asserting that local authorities should pursue a “vigorous prosecution”. He sent a telegram to the national offices of the NAACP promising a full investigation and assuring them “Mississippi does not condone such conduct”. Delta residents, both black and white, also distanced themselves from Till’s murder, finding the circumstances abhorrent. Local newspaper editorials denounced the murderers without question.[26][46] Leflore County Deputy Sheriff John Cothran stated, “The white people around here feel pretty mad about the way that poor little boy was treated, and they won’t stand for this.”[47]

    The second is that there were likely black accomplices. I don’t know exactly why this was denied. But now, that will never get any traction. But is adds some nuance.

    And then, Mississippi went into a totally defensive posture.

    Till’s story continued to make news for weeks following the trial, especially sparking debate between Southern, Northern, and black newspapers, the NAACP and various high-profile segregationists about justice for blacks and the propriety of Jim Crow society.

    In October 1955, the Jackson Daily News reported facts about Till’s father that had been suppressed by the U.S. military. While serving in Italy, Louis Till raped two women and killed a third. He was court-martialed and hanged by the Army near Pisa in July 1945. Mamie Till Bradley and her family knew none of this, having been told only that Louis had been killed for “willful misconduct”.

    History is always messy. Look at where we are today. 1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men. 2.Mar 13, 2012
    I’m sure this statistic is supposed to illustrate that society is racist, since all men are equal. But, of course, extra judicial intimidation was no longer ignored, and this is where we end up.

  197. @Rurik

    my neck kept on snapping back and doing a WTF over and over, reading the words to make sure they were really written like that, on purpose

    You’re saying you read what I wrote “over and over again”? Then why do you not address what I actually said?

    You see, there’s a problem here. When I debate with somebody, a legitimate debate, and the person brings up a set of points, like let’s say he person brings up 3 key points in the argument he’s making, I try to identify the key points the person is bringing up and address the 3 points. Or the 4 points or whatever. At least, if the person is bringing up legitimate points. On occasion, the message is getting very long and I say: okay, I’ll address your last point separately. Here I just address 2 out of your 3 points…. but I acknowledge that the person made a point and I’m not getting to it yet…

    What you do is claim that you are amazed at what I wrote and then simply fail to address my main points.

    The main point that you don’t address is simply this whole Deep State infiltration problem. A few years back, some historian wrote a new history of the sixties — the civil rights movement, the student protests and all that. I didn’t read the whole book, just some reviews and an excerpt. But even from that, what was striking about it to me was the realization that ALL of these various anti-establishment groups were totally infiltrated by agents of the State. So, for example, Martin Luther King could not take a shit without J. Edgar Hoover knowing about it.

    So, for example, any narrative in which MLK was planning X, Y, and Z, but the FBI did not know about it — that is a non-starter! That, by the way, is why the official story on all these false flag terrorism events is basically absurd. It’s like there are all these jihadist groups in France, say, that can just plan all these terrorist attacks right under the nose of the authorities and nobody knows about it. That’s total bullshit, it’s impossible.

    So, a narrative, in which people in the Nation of Islam are talking more or less openly about just murdering random white people YET the authorities are helpless to stop it and have no idea for half a year what is going on… I see this as a very problematic narrative. And as a result of this, I then ask myself: what really did happen? Answer: I actually don’t know, but whatever really happened is not what they say happened, which is the general rule in any “deep event”.

    Now, my belief is that you do not address this basic point I am bringing up because you do not have a counter-argument. So you make an argument against other things that I said, or actually other things that I DID NOT SAY. For example, I never said that no blacks have a general resentment of white people. It would be foolish for me to say that. That’s why I never said it. Yet, somehow you represent that you read and reread what I wrote and are flabbergasted by this… EXCEPT THAT I NEVER SAID THAT.

    It’s almost like you really don’t know.. as impossible as that sounds. Wow!

    Don’t know what?

    Look, in principle, there is nothing that sui generis about the race problem in the USA. If you look at the wider world, there are plenty of situations where you have different ethnic groups who really really don’t like one another. You have the protestants and catholics in Ireland or the Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs and other groups in India and so on and so on. And there is real violence that flares up periodically.

    However, my conjecture would be that the cases of cold-blooded premeditated murder in which some Hindu just kills a Muslim he doesn’t even know for no reason beyond sectarian hatred, that actually the cases are not very common. I would also assume that the local authorities, the police in Mumbai, say,if a Muslim were found murdered, they would start immediately asking who had a motive. They wouldn’t just assume that some Hindu who didn’t even know the guy had killed him just for being a Muslim. Because for all the historical resentments that exist, most murders actually will occur for a much more specific reason than that.

    In any case, getting back to these “Zebra murders” specifically, the fact that you have to go back over 40 years to find a case that looks like this, this kind of suggests that it is not that common. Homicides are, unfortunately, common, but they occur for whatever specific reasons. To me, the notion that something that is an institution in the black community, the Nation of Islam, that people in leadership positions in that group, were sitting around, plotting the killing of just random white people — I find this to be very strange. I do not attribute such crazed irrationality to those kinds of people and I fail to see what they thought they would get out of something like that.

    How else do you rape a man in front of his girlfriend, and then mutilate him and set him on fire,….

    Well, look, obviously you know that this kind of heinous crime is only committed by a very small proportion of blacks. BUT I would ask you: of those who do such things, how many are members of the Nation of Islam?

    I don’t know the answer offhand, but I suspect that the answer is simply: none. But correct me if I’m wrong.

    As for the video you linked of some nut saying kill whitey, uhh, Rurik, the last article I wrote on this site was entitled “The Show Must Go On”. You expressed that you liked the article, but did you understand it?

    The guy screaming “Kill Whitey” in the video is part of the show. If you really were going to kill some white people, you wouldn’t get in front of a TV camera and say you were going to go do it. You would just go do it without announcing it to the world beforehand.

    agree with some of the other points you’re making, but I got sidetracked by your utterly bizarre and incomprehensible claim about a lack of motive !

    No, I don’t think it’s “bizarre” or “incomprehensible” that I have the baseline assumption that, in a real murder case, there were will typically be a motive. And I mean a motive beyond just a generic resentment of white people. That is why, unlike you, I am dubious that Hurricane Carter committed the murders. That he had no real motive beyond just a generic resentment of white people is rather suspicious to me. But I don’t know for sure. And again, this is another case where the interesting aspect is when people are certain of things and I can’t understand why. That said, you’re right that the Denzel Washington portrayal of Carter as the second coming of Christ is a bit much. But I’m hardly convinced that Carter killed those people. And I would add that the judge overturned the verdict because he examined the case and really did think that Carter was innocent. I looked at this once and that judge was not a bleating heart liberal at all. He was a guy with a fairly conservative record. Now, possibly, Hurricane Carter (or his defense lawyers) conned the judge. But I cannot understand why you profess to know for sure.

    But anyway, if you respond to me and do not address the basic question of Deep State infiltration, the extremely problematic idea that a group like NOI can be plotting to kill random white people without the FBI knowing about it…. if you respond and just ignore that point, then the conversation is over. You can’t just keep responding to somebody and ignore most of what they’re actually saying! It’s not a proper way to have a serious kind of conversation. I’m not saying I’m perfect, but if you look at the way I engage with people, if people bring up a set of points, I try to address that set of points. In particular, their main points. It’s like you’ve got this temptation to go off on some generic rant because you get so much emotional satisfaction out of it, but in a serious discussion, you have to address the points that the other person is bringing up!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  198. Eagle Eye says:
    @WorkingClass

    Are you seriously suggesting a police dispatcher with two weeks’ training gets to decide whether you have a right to protect your life?

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  199. @Wizard of Oz

    Dummkopf!

    I thought I told you to stop bothering me. Dog gonnit, I’m too old to be getting harassed by some interweb weirdo! Why can’t you give us a break here and go creep around the reddit boards for awhile…or did they ban you from posting there, too?

    Alright, look…I’m sorry! It’s just that a man like me…I’m not built to handle retards, I don’t know how to go about it. Personally, I think that when a child is born with one eye going this way and the other one going another way, they ought to immediately smash it’s misshapen head in with a mallet…save everyone a lifetime of hassle!

    Listen, I don’t know the technical name for your affliction…so, why don’t I just call you Dummy? How would that be? It’s a little better than retard, right?

    OK, Dummy…let’s take a look at what you’ve sputtered out here.

    That first little bit is stupid, so let’s skip over that…Now, this second bit here is dumb, too, but let’s see what we can make of it. Ha! That’s my DumDum…You wrote: “What possible relevance to anything worth writing about (apart from family history for family) is the fact that Rupert’s DNA may be one eighth Ashkenazi because his mother’s mother’s mother was Jewish?” Do you know what the word ‘niggle’ means? Like, for example, has anyone ever called you a niggling little cocksucker…anything like that? They probably have said it, behind your back, cause they’re afraid of your superhuman retard strength!

    Yeah…Every time Murdoch goes to Israel, Netanyahu, and all his WZO golfing buddies put Rupert on his knees and circle around him…15 mins later you got Jews squirting everywhichway, and ol’ Rupert giggling like a schoolgirl! So, yeah…I can assure you, Rupert Murdoch is full of Jewish DNA!

    Alright, this last part is a garbled mess, so I’m gonna skip it, too.

    Anyhoo, give some serious thought to going to another blogsite…try googling your disability and see what comes up. You never know, you might be able to find a small group of people who are just as fucked up as you are.

    Well, it’s been real…catch ya later, Dummy!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  200. @Barnard

    I would be interested in seeing what is all covered by “all other causes” at 22%.

    Here’s one example:

    The Washington herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6, Image 6
    … A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent’s promises.

  201. utu says:
    @Rurik

    You are not an agnostic. You are a barbarian. If one does not care whether 1+1=2 or not 2 is not an agnostic on this question. You just do not care because like a true barbarian you do not think about it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  202. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Smith

    Having spent some time reading a little about the Till incident, the most striking thing was that it was strongly condemned in his community and in the state. However, once it became a national debate, the state closed ranks.

    So, yea. Its not like it isn’t hard to believe. The racists in Mississippi found it hard to believe. And there is some evidence that they didn’t originally intend to kill him. The two guys accused were called peckerwoods by the sheriff. The fact they were even tried for it was found surprising to some people.

    And there were some people that legitimately believed that the body wasn’t Till. At least until the post acquittal confession. And finally, if they were convicted, the only sentences were the death penalty or life imprisonment.

    It is sort of unbelievable, but it was also rare. If this were typical Southern racism, then there would be a lot more Tills.

    And finally, the white trash that did it were shunned after the trial.

    After Bryant and Milam admitted to Huie that they had killed Till, their support base in Mississippi eroded.[89] Many of their former friends and supporters, including those who had contributed to their defense funds, cut them off. Their shops went bankrupt and closed after blacks boycotted them, and banks refused them loans to plant crops.[26] After struggling to secure a loan and find someone who would rent to him, Milam managed to secure 217 acres and a $4,000 loan to plant cotton, but blacks refused to work for him. He was forced to pay whites higher wages.[90] Eventually, Milam and Bryant relocated to Texas, but their infamy followed them, and they continued to generate extreme animosity from locals.

  203. @Boris

    And FBI statistics tend to contradict you: https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014

    LOL FBI hate-crime stastistics.

    On one hand a white guy spray painting ‘no more Chinese’ counts as 1 hate crime. On the other hand a gang of blacks beating up two whites while yelling “Get those crackers!” and “Get that white whore!” isn’t charged as a hate crime and not counted on the stastistics.

    P.S. Where is the Hispanic category in the stats?

    White graffiti is a hate-crime:

    Vandalism, hate-crime charges in ‘no more Chinese’ graffiti case

    Alleged Northwestern chapel vandals indicted on a dozen hate crime charges

    Teen Faces Possible Hate Crime Charges After Winthrop School Vandalism

    Former NYPD officer charged with hate crimes in anti-Semitic vandalism

    Hate crimes charges laid in graffiti case

    1 graffiti suspect to be charged with hate crimes, Madison police say

    Texas Students Write ‘Whites Only,’ Face Hate Crime Charges After Senior Prank At James Martin High School In Arlington

    Two Mizzou students arrested for cotton ball hate crime

    Black racist attacks are not a hate-crime:

    Hate crime charges dropped against black teens accused of beating white Brooklyn couple
    … the suspects allegedly yelling “Get those crackers!” and “Get that white whore!”

    Bias Ruled Out in the Death of NYU Student
    The death of a white New York University student who was struck by a car in East Harlem last week while allegedly fleeing a group of black would-be muggers crying “get the white boy” was not a hate crime, police said yesterday.


    No Hate Crime Charges for 8 Black Youths Accused in Brutal Beating of White Teen…

    Police claim mother of two who was attacked by ‘dozens of black youths’ with her young children in car and told she didn’t belong in neighborhood because she was white was NOT a victim of a hate crime

    Three black soldiers arrested for stabbing white comrade to death ‘called him a cracker’ – so why are police now so sure it was NOT a hate crime?

    No Hate Crime Charges For Black Woman Who Attacked White Man Saying She ‘Kills Crackers All The Time’

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Boris
    , @Big Bill
    , @vinteuil
  204. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Gail

    Phrases like “its well known…” always disguise the fact that the author has no evidence to back up what they are saying.

    Black crime didn’t skyrocket after the civil rights era. Blacks have always been the most violent people around. Past black writers on negro crime;

    “It seems plain in the first place that the 4 percent of the population of Philadelphia having Negro blood furnished from 1885 to 1889, 14 percent of the serious crimes, and from 1890 to 1895, 22 ½ percent. (p. 249)”

    and

    “DuBois and associates say:
    It seems fair to conclude that Negroes in the United Sates, forming about 1/8 of the population were responsible in 1890 for nearly 1/5 of the crime.”

    etc.

    For more evidence read The Negro in Negroland. Slavery was endemic in African tribal culture, some 40 to 60% of all African negros were enslaved to other negros. Cannabalism was rife. When a tribal leader was hungry, some of his slaves were murdered and eaten. These were very primitive stone-aged people who were forced to adapt to an agricultural and then post-industrial revolution society in the span of a few generations.

    Conflict was (and still is) inevitable.

  205. Randal says:
    @Boris

    This isn’t a safe assumption at all. It assumes a conspiracy not in evidence.

    There is no assumption of any overarching conspiracy, in the sense of knowingly dishonest collaboration imposed top-down by a particular organisation. All that is required is the kind of convergence of interests and shared ideological bias the consequences of which are well illustrated in the media context by Unz in the piece above.

    For sure it means there are lots of little conspiracies involved, where people tacitly agree to suppress information that “it wouldn’t do” to have get out, or to present information in the manner best “for the greater good”. But we know that antiracist ideology is privileged and represents the elite dogma in the social and government establishments of the countries of the US sphere because it is openly illegal to be racist in many contexts and in most others it will, in practice, be grounds for harassment and dismissal. In this context, such petty conspiracies are inevitable.

    After all, the things you now know about the Trayvon Martin case and the Michael Brown case came from the media and the government that you say is untrustworthy.

    Systematically biased and dishonest does not equate to empty of information. But no doubt you knew that before you wrote this false assertion.

    That’s not the way reason works.

    LOL!

    All you are doing is proclaiming a conspiracy and then choosing to believe what makes you happy. You can replace “antiracist” with anything and come up with the same illogical argument. The government is antipickles, so I know that when I hear bad things about pickles, those are the lies, and when I hear good things about pickles, that is the truth. Yum, pickles! But, honestly, this kind of faulty reasoning is probably why you’re a racist in the first place.

    Merely a repeat of your false assertion that I have suggested some kind of over-arching conspiracy when in fact I have made no such argument. As explained above, a convergence of interests and shared ideological bias is not an overarching conspiracy. Again though, I suspect you knew that.

    As for the point about government information, when you have a source with a known bias, that bias can reasonably be taken into account when assessing information from that source. It gives more credibility to information provided that goes against that bias and reduces the credibility of information that is favourable to it. That’s not rocket science, as it were, and I doubt you genuinely lack the intellect required to understand the point.

    Don’t downplay white people’s genetic talents for “grievance-mongering.” They go to the Supreme Court over a middling student not getting into her first choice of law school. Of course, black people had actual grievances, you know.

    You know you have no real answer to the point, so you try to muddy the waters by conflating grievance-mongering on other issues with race-based grievance mongering, when the point at issue was the relative prevalence of race-based grievance-mongering specifically. Again, I doubt you really lack the intellect to grasp your own dishonesty here.

    Ah, yes, common sense. The flat-earthers appeal to that too.

    You seem to be doing a lot of flailing.

    • Replies: @Boris
  206. Randal says:
    @Insipidwhitetrash

    “Black men, as a group, rob, rape and kill in in astronomical numbers.” Based in which source?

    Here you go:

    Race and Crime in America

    Trigger warning: hard truths might be damaging to your existing cosy and comfortable assumptions.

  207. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Reply to my own post. A correction.

    At the rate blacks commit murder today, (approximately 6000 per 42 million) by extrapolation, blacks would have murdered an average of 2000 persons per year over the time period in question, not 60 as I mistakenly posted. Of that 2000, 44 were hung, or, roughly 1 out of 45 murderers were strung up in rough frontier justice. This is a remarkably low ratio and testifies to the native decency, forbearance and reasonableness of White Americans. It is a record we can all be proud of.

  208. No_0ne says:
    @Bob Johnson

    Still trying to justify Martin’s unprovoked attack on Zimmerman? Pitiful.

  209. Chico says:
    @ben tillman

    Sez Zimmerman. Trayvon did not get to testify.

    Zimmerman followed Martin down an alley between house rows. I don’t discount that Martin might have thrown the first punch, but it probably looked like stalking to him and 17 year olds do not always use the best judgment.

    Since then Zimmerman been in various trouble with the law, obviously a screwup.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  210. Ace says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Your idea that this was a Deep State psyop is bizarre, assuming as it does an objective that necessarily involved the murder of 270 whites. That is some sick thinking and when, pray tell, did that “crackdown” on the NOI occur?

    You seem to think that there had to be a sign up sheet in the mosques of these loveable people with no virulent hatred of whites at all. That the NOI just wasn’t implicated. In point of fact, Farrakhan rushed to provide legal representation to four of the NOI men charged. The one he wouldn’t provide representation for was a fifth guy who turned state’s evidence.

    One can argue that Farrakhan only provided a defense because his peeps would see him as not standing by the brothers. The fact that Farrakhan preaches unrelenting hatred of whites is, however, consistent with the methods and goals of the Zebra killers. Seeing his defense of the men prosecuted as only an after-the-fact exercise in PR just isn’t credible. Many NOI people were involved. The likelihood that it was a local effort by psychopaths is slim.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  211. @Jus' Sayin'...

    The FBI was involved in the case early on.

    Uhh, yeah, I believe that. How early? :-)

    FBI agents, promised that the author would not reveal their names nor that of the Chicago suspects, told the author that a decision was made in Washington not to further pursue the case because of the racial tensions it might arouse.

    Well, that’s that then. FBI people are straight arrow guys. They would never tell a lie.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Smith
  212. @Ace

    Your idea that this was a Deep State psyop is bizarre,

    Well, as far as I can tell, you find the idea bizarre, mostly due to a complete ignorance of real history. When I suggest to people that whatever recent terrorist incident is a staged false flag event, people say that is a really bizarre idea because they don’t know the history of these things. If they did, they would probably cease to find the idea bizarre.

    In any case, this kind of argument is bound to be very very weak for the simple reason that objective reality is not at all constrained by what you find “bizarre” or not. It just isn’t. So that’s not really an argument.

    assuming as it does an objective that necessarily involved the murder of 270 whites.

    270 whites? What? It’s nothing like that number, is it? But, anyway, even if it was 270 victims, deep State operations could have such a death toll. Look at 9/11.

    That is some sick thinking

    Oh really? Is that a professional opinion? Are you an accredited mental health professional?

    when, pray tell, did that “crackdown” on the NOI occur?

    Well, I conceded that it didn’t. However, they sometimes set up narratives in preparation for something and then the plan isn’t put in operation. But they reserve the possibility to do so. For example, Operation Northwoods was never put into operation, but it was prepared or planned, it seems.

    The fact that Farrakhan preaches unrelenting hatred of whites is, however, consistent with the methods and goals of the Zebra killers.

    Well, this is just ignorant hand-waving. In fact, a black nationalist leader like Farrakhan does not preach hatred of ordinary white people simply for being white. When somebody like Farrakhan rants about what white people have done to the black man, he is talking about a power structure. Similarly, when he says negative things about “Jews”, he is referring to a power structure that controls so much of the economy and politics in the U.S. He is not talking about Mrs. Morgenstern, your third grade teacher. In fact, Farrakhan was a violin prodigy as a child and all of his music teachers were Jewish, apparently. I’ve seen him in interviews speaking fondly of his memories of this.

    When you say things like the above, it shows that you have no real political judgment or understanding. The notion that a man like Farrakhan would be party to just advocating that people go out and murder random white people — this is preposterous. It really is.

    Anyway, I articulated a very basic argument which is that in the time period in question, 1974, this is the tail end of Cointelpro and my understanding of the time period is that every anti-establishment organization of any significance was infiltrated by Deep State agents. So, the whole narrative in which these people are able to plan and carry out these murders over a long period without the authorities having a clue what is going on — to me, based on my understanding of history and events, that narrative is BIZARRE. You don’t find it bizarre at all, but I am satisfied that my understanding of history, real history, is at a higher level than yours.

    The other strange thing that occurs to me about all of this is that all the “conspiracy deniers” out love this “somebody woulda talked” argument. They argue that no significant conspiracy is possible because somebody would spill the beans. Yet, here, you have a conspiracy narrative involving quite a few people over a fairly long period of time, and nobody makes the same argument that it is impossible because somebody would have talked. Rather inconsistent, no?

    I don’t know whether this inconsistency is due to intellectual dishonesty so much as a lack of thoughtfulness.

    The other strange thing is that in the so-called “conspiracy theories” that people reject out of hand due to the “somebody woulda talked” or “it’s impossible to keep a secret” argument, typically the conspirators have a motive. Here, you have a narrative in which there is no real motive. Again, I do not consider a generic ethnic/racial resentment to really constitute a motive for something of this scale.

  213. Rurik says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Then why do you not address what I actually said?

    I thought I was, but then admittedly, I didn’t properly address the whole content of your post.

    I simply stated that I agreed with the rest of your post, and left it at that.

    Now I’ll offer that as for the NOI today, yes, I agree that it’s extremely unlikely that they would ‘randomly’ kill white people (or anyone else). I certainly don’t think they’d be ordered to do so from the leadership today. But I have no idea what they were like decades ago. Today, if I see those young men standing on the corner dressed in suits with proud postures, I give them a few bucks and they hand me a sort of publication. I’ll peruse this at the stop lights and occasionally they’re interesting.

    From what I know about the NOI today, I like their message. They seem to be telling young, black men to act like men, and have spiritual faith, and be fathers to their sons and husbands to their wives. I support such views. They also don’t want the black man crawling around on his belly begging whitey for handouts. They want the black man to be strong and independent, and free of drug and alcohol abuse, and role models for other, often confused young black men. I support all of that. I support a lot of what Louis Farrakhan says and his wish that American blacks could have a region they could call their own. I sympathize. I believe that all peoples should have a place they can call their own, with self-determination being fundamental for simple human dignity. That is a running theme for me, and I believe all people should be entitled to it, (white people too). So no, the NOI as I understand it today is hardly the kind of place where they’re demanding their flock go out and commit murder. But like I’ve said, I have zero idea what they were like during those ‘zebra’ killing days. I haven’t researched it much, (at all). If you say the FBI was knee-deep in their affairs, then OK, I have no basis to object. But someone presumably killed those people, but I’ve personally never really looked into all of that.

    So, for example, any narrative in which MLK was planning X, Y, and Z, but the FBI did not know about it — that is a non-starter!

    now see, I have no reason to disagree with this.. That’s why I sort of just said ‘I agree with your other points’. But then I don’t think MLK was ever NOI.

    That, by the way, is why the official story on all these false flag terrorism events is basically absurd. It’s like there are all these jihadist groups in France, say, that can just plan all these terrorist attacks right under the nose of the authorities and nobody knows about it. That’s total bullshit, it’s impossible.

    Well here again, I’m not the one to argue with about all of this. I’m not as quick as you to say (it seems like automatically) that these terrorist attacks are bullshit, but after the evidence trickles in, it seems to me as if you’re at least usually correct, if not batting a thousand. Except just look at the Somali guy in the mall with the knife. I suspect that this one might be genuine. It comports with my observations that some young men are being radicalized. But then it could also turn out that it’s another bullshit hoax. The difference between us is only that I reserve judgment until I know more. But then again, as per our previous conversations, if it turned out they were running a drill at the mall for Islamic terrorists with knives, then yep, this too would be just another bullshit hoax.

    but whatever really happened is not what they say happened,

    I’m comfortable with saying that on this score, I agree with you 100% and 100% of the time- they lie. They will lie about every single thing, by default. It’s all they really know how to do. And then it’s up to us to dig out the truth from under the official and media lies.

    I never said that no blacks have a general resentment of white people. It would be foolish for me to say that. That’s why I never said it. Yet, somehow you represent that you read and reread what I wrote and are flabbergasted by this… EXCEPT THAT I NEVER SAID THAT.

    general resentment?

    that sounds like someone who resents their co-worker getting the promotion. ‘He’s a kiss ass, of course he got the promotion’. And then they harbor a “general resentment”. I’m not talking about a general resentment. I’m taking about murderous hatred. Soul-numbing, all encompassing, visceral, bubbling, -hatred- that consumes every single waking second of their life. The kind of hatred that will cause a person to simply walk up to their hated enemy and oppressor- a white person- and put a bullet in them, just like that. And to the wild cheers of their buddies and entire community. That’s the kind of hatred I’m talking about. I mentioned Haiti for a reason, and I suspect that what happened during that revolution is exactly what would happen here, if all the whites simply became defenseless overnight. It would be a bloodbath.

    So no, none of that has anything to do with “resentment”. Not hardly. I guess if I were to compare it to a modern day conflict, I wouldn’t use Northern Ireland or Kashmir, but Palestine. I suspect that in Palestine there is the kind of hatred they feel for the Jews that (some!) blacks feel for whitey here in the states. Only in Palestine they’re languishing in abject poverty and daily humiliations and state sponsored terror- the likes of which American blacks could not possibly comprehend. Indeed, American blacks are treated as first class citizens by the state and media. So it’s not apples to apples as far as the underlying reasons for the hatred, (and it is hatred ; ).

    that is an institution in the black community, the Nation of Islam, that people in leadership positions in that group, were sitting around, plotting the killing of just random white people — I find this to be very strange

    what about the Black Panthers? Or just some ultraviolent gang? Or just a group of half a dozen shitheads with nothing better to do?

    As I’ve said, I agree with you on the NOI today, but I have no idea what they were like back then. – Ok, I’m going to do some research…

    the Wiki page says nothing about the men being members of the NOI

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders

    this one talks about the murders as if they were organized by the NOI

    http://www.amren.com/news/2006/10/domestic_terror/

    so I really don’t know. I would have been a toddler at the time and I’ve never found the whole thing particularly compelling. I already know about race relations today without having to go back decades.

    The guy screaming “Kill Whitey” in the video is part of the show.

    perhaps, but it comports with much of my understanding for how a lot of blacks actually do feel about whites. Keep in mind the lifelong propaganda campaign. When I was young I watched that white guy whip Kunta Kinte and make him say Toby. We all saw that, and the cartoon like white man as pure, racist evil. And this theme has permeated our entire matrix of reality since I’ve been alive. It’s a wonder any blacks at all come out of it sane. The mantra is relentless… ‘whitey is holding you down, whitey is holding you down… White cops are shooting your young men on the streets, white prosecutors are railroading your innocent young men. ‘All white people are racist against you and look down on you and are destroying your black communities with their eternal racism!’ Blah, blah, blah…

    And you’re right, it’s all part of the show. All carefully crafted to divide and conquer. Poor whites and poor blacks have far more in common than a poor black does to Obama. But just listen to Bernie Sanders speaking in Flint, MI, were there are armies of poor whites that have known nothing but poverty and despair their entire lives, and what does Bernie say? He says that white people don’t know what poverty is like! Holy fuck! Is that guy out of his mind?! No, he’s just playing the divide and conquer strategy. It sucks, and we’re all chumps, black and white, who buy into all of that.

    in a real murder case, there were will typically be a motive. And I mean a motive beyond just a generic resentment of white people.

    you see, this is what I mean. It has NOTHING to do with any so-called “generic resentment”. Fuck no! It isn’t resentment, it’s hatred JR. The kind of hatred that would cause a black women to kidnap a twelve year old white boy on Christmas eve and set about burning him alive with a cutting torch. Intended for cutting steel.

    You don’t do something like that unless your hate is beyond all human compassion. Unless it has consumed you and turned you literally into a kind of monster. And that is the kind of hate I’m talking about. Not resentment JR. Hate. There is a big difference.

    That he had no real motive beyond just a generic resentment of white people is rather suspicious to me

    >>sigh<<

    you see this is exactly what I mean! You don't get it. That's what I mean by being jealous of you. It's true. I wish I didn't know what you clearly don't know. And that is the depths of raw hate that many young American black men have for white people, and white men in particular.

    when Jamie Foxx jokes about being able to "kill all the white people", to howls and cheers, he's speaking to something deep inside the black American psyche. It's been very carefully instilled in black folks a profound and all encompassing .. ok here I'll use the word – resentment, that all too often bubbles into murderous hate. Especially when that hate is relentlessly massaged and tweaked with endless movies about slavery and black boxers being railroaded by a racist and unjust system.

    which brings us to Hurricane Carter. Unlike the Zebra killings, I have looked a little into the case of Hurricane Carter.

    here's one web account

    http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/04/spare_us_the_lies_about_the_late_hurricane_carter_mulshine.html

    and even tho he was never exonerated after two convictions, the judge released him based on the theory that no black man can be capable of being motivated by race hate to murder. Actually this sort of comports with your view, no?

    But I cannot understand why you profess to know for sure.

    how do we know anything for sure? But based on the preponderance of evidence, I feel that anyone who looks at the entire case with an unbiased and open mind would come to the same conclusion. And, I’m convinced that the people who made the movie know he’s guilty, but figured they could twist the story to further their agenda of race hate in America.

    I could be wrong of course, but that’s how it appears to me. I think it would be great if there could be a discussion about Carter’s guilt or innocence and get to the bottom of it. If there was a preponderance of evidence that he was innocent, then I’ll be the first person to say I was wrong about it. That’s how I am. I only believe something as long as the evidence points to its veracity, and the second that it doesn’t, I’m done.

    It’s like you’ve got this temptation to go off on some generic rant because you get so much emotional satisfaction out of it, but in a serious discussion, you have to address the points that the other person is bringing up!

    well, in fairness, I did say that I agree with your other points. And indeed I did and do. So I sort of did address them, if only in passing. Now I hope I have to your satisfaction.

    I do enjoy these discussions, or I wouldn’t participate here on the Unz. I like to expose lies and deception and get to the truth of the matter, in all things. It’s a hobby of mine and I’m also motivated to try to oppose evil (suffering and lies and wars and assorted atrocities) when they’re so glaringly being foisted by people of ill will, (I’ve never considered you in this category) and for nefarious reasons. So when I go off on rants, (which I often do) it isn’t so much that I get some personal satisfaction by writing them, as I do if I’m speaking the truth and putting the truth out there to battle lies (or occasionally simply errors or misconceptions) . By doing thus, it does give me a certain satisfaction. That is true.

  214. Rurik says:
    @utu

    You are not an agnostic. You are a barbarian. If one does not care whether 1+1=2 or not 2 is not an agnostic on this question. You just do not care because like a true barbarian you do not think about it.

    huh?

    a belief in God is the same as believing that 1 + 1 = 2 ?!

    make no mistake, it starts with ‘I think, therefor I am’. That is the beginning of human certainty, and it all goes down from there. But I for one am also certain that 1 + 1 does indeed = 2

    so what the hell you’re talking about I surely have no clue.. utu

    (and also none of what I wrote has anything to do with my being a proud and unapologetic barbarian ; )

  215. Boris says:
    @KenH

    These data confirms that by blacks committing 23.2% of hate crimes they are doing so at almost twice their rate in the generate population

    I agree that blacks commit hate crimes at a rate slightly greater than their proportion of the population. But Ron Unz’s claim was:

    In fact, the evidence suggests that the overwhelming majority of all racially-motivated violent attacks in America each year are committed by blacks,

    There is zero evidence for his claim.

    In 2014, blacks committed 561,000 violent crimes against whites while whites only committed 99,000 violent crimes against blacks

    That’s exactly in line with the population distribution. 13.7% of violent attacks against whites are committed by blacks according to the survey you cite. You guys keep forgetting that most people are white.

    Adjusted for percentages this means blacks are 25 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites than the reverse.

    And you’ve compounded your error. I really don’t have time to teach math to white supremacists. I thought you guys were supposed to have superior IQs or something, but this is just embarrassing.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @vinteuil
    , @vinteuil
    , @KenH
  216. Boris says:
    @Randal

    when the point at issue was the relative prevalence of race-based grievance-mongering specifically.

    You have zero real evidence for anything that you are arguing. I will not accept your feelings as evidence. You shouldn’t either.

    • Replies: @Randal
  217. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You can’t undo the Jew.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  218. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chico

    Wrong.

    Zimmerman did not follow “Martin down an alley between house rows”. Martin had arrived home. Rachel Janteel testified to such at the trial. “Are you home baby?” “Yeah.” or something like that. They hung up. The cell call records provided exact time this occurred .

    Four and a half minutes later, again, the time recorded exactly by the cell call, the 911 call from a witness at the other end of the house row, eighty yards away, back up where Zimmerman stood where he could keep an eye out for the police cruiser that was supposed to show up and from where he had last see Martin, reports screams from a guy whom the witness saw being beaten by a hoody-wearing guy who was on top of him. These were irrefutable facts, which is why Zimmerman walked.

    The conclusion: Martin went out of his way to confront Zimmerman. He went looking for trouble and found it. If Martin had only gone inside when he was home, and not gone back out to confront Zimmerman then……nothing would have changed in the long run. Someone, somewhere would have gunned Martin down because he was a life-long bully and troublemaker and being shot was his destiny.

    Don’t shed any tears for Martin, he thought he could bully Zimmerman, just as he had bullied every adult whom he had encountered in the system as he bumped and dragged along through life, but, sadly for him, reality on the streets didn’t follow the same rules of reward and punishment as Martin had encountered in the public education system.

    Not one of you people here who are defending Martin bothered to follow the trial evidence.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  219. Boris says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Black racist attacks are not a hate-crime:

    Anecdotal evidence addicts appear. Hey genius, we know that blacks are charged with hate crimes. We have the FBI data.

    And white people do commit violent hate crimes. Here’s one (Hey, you might know the guy!):

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/aryan-republican-army-supporter-charged-with-hate-crime-for-attack-on-black-man/

    Now, maybe prosecutors are not charging more black offenders of hate crimes than whites. Its possible. Do you have evidence for it? You don’t.

  220. Randal says:
    @Boris

    You have zero real evidence for anything that you are arguing.

    LOL! You are simply being obtuse, in the manner of a man who, if told that the Sahara is on average drier than Kent, would insist that such an assertion is of no use without referenced scientific studies of dryness in different terrain types.

    At root, we agreed that Unz did not choose to provide substantiation for his assertion that “the overwhelming majority of all racially-motivated violent attacks in America each year are committed by blacks”. My original point was merely that the assertion is pretty much in line with what one would expect to be the case anyway from general knowledge and experience, because as the figures prove beyond dispute, in the US black people are in general shockingly far more violent and criminally aggressive than white people, and they are also observably far more race-grievance obsessed. One would naturally expect the two to come together to result in the situation Unz describes.

    • Replies: @Boris
  221. Randal says:
    @Boris

    That’s exactly in line with the population distribution. 13.7% of violent attacks against whites are committed by blacks according to the survey you cite. You guys keep forgetting that most people are white. ….And you’ve compounded your error. I really don’t have time to teach math to white supremacists. I thought you guys were supposed to have superior IQs or something, but this is just embarrassing.

    Amusing that you are embarrassed by it because your argument is clearly incorrect.

    The idea that the number of assaults should reflect proportions in the population would only be useful if members of races were choosing their victims on a colour-blind basis, and the populations were properly mixed. In the real world, of course, populations are a very long way from being properly mixed, and random encounters would give rise to far lower proportions of black-white violence than is the case.

    The figures therefore demonstrate precisely that the selection of victims is manifestly not colour-blind.

    Indeed, Jared Taylor addresses your point directly from another angle in the article linked in the post to which you were replying:

    Interestingly, we find that violent interracial crime involving blacks and Hispanics occurs in almost exactly the same proportions as black/white crime: Blacks are the attackers 82.5 percent of the time, while Hispanics are attackers only 17.5 percent of the time.

    Some observers argue that what causes the overwhelming preponderance of black-on-white over white-on-black violence is “chance of encounter,” due to the fact that there are five times as many whites as blacks in the American population. However, there are only about 30 percent more Hispanics than blacks, yet black-on-Hispanic violence is almost as lopsided as black-on-white violence. This suggests blacks may be deliberately targeting both whites and Hispanics.“

    • Replies: @Boris
  222. Fairytern says:

    The unrepresentative highlighting of certain crimes by the media to add fuel to narratives of black victimhood could be termed ‘pixel-pickin’. Just a suggestion.

  223. unadorned says:
    @Montefrío

    You seem confused. The 70 millions was the number killed by communism.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  224. @iffen

    “You can’t undo the Jew”. What does that mean? And what are the specifics?

    If it’s genes it obviously doesn’t matter whether it is post Christian rabbinic matrilineal or Biblical patrilineal: one eighth or three quarters could be Jewish from either sex. If it is cultural then what residue of Jewish culture is to be presumed if a child goes to a Catholic convent school and is never told of its Jewish ancestry or heritage?

    • Replies: @iffen
  225. @Anonymous Smith

    I’m sorry I made you feel like an idiot. You didn’t have any duty to disclose it. Unfortunately I have to turn the screw a bit. I actually know Rupert, even went to the same school and know other members of his family quite well. Yes you are just one of those know nothing blowhards that parade anonymously across the www where their nearest and dearest can’t immediately spring them and chortle about silly old Uncle Nonny doing it again.

  226. Boris says:
    @Randal

    My original point was merely that the assertion is pretty much in line with what one would expect to be the case

    No. There are plenty of dumb racist white people.

    they are also observably far more race-grievance obsessed

    This may be true, but once you subtract real grievances out and deal with only the petty or invented ones, whites win by a landslide. The mere presence of black people causes many white people to feel aggrieved and mistreated. Remember, white people threw rocks at eight- year-old Ruby Bridges because they didn’t want their precious children to merely sit in the same classroom as her. She could only eat food brought from home because of the many threats to poison her. And while white attitudes towards blacks have gotten a lot better since then, that shit hasn’t gone away completely.

  227. unadorned says:
    @Marcus

    I don’t believe communal justice was the norm. Many people fail to understand that hanging was the means of execution long before electric chairs and lethal injection; and remained the method of putting criminals to death, in some states, even after these more modern methods became available.

  228. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “You can’t undo the Jew”. What does that mean? And what are the specifics?

    For most Jew-haters it means the same as the one-drop rule.

  229. An excellent piece.

    Here’s a pleasantly bitchy article from back in 1999 by the late unlamented Christopher Hitchens
    ( now enjoying his fifth year of sobriety) concerning the Washington Press Corp on the rules and niceties and how the consensus is enforced.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/1999/05/christopher-hitchens-testifies-monica-lewinsky

  230. @Insipidwhitetrash

    Homicides in the US by victim and perpetrator.
    Blacks killed by white 4.4 *
    Whites killed by black 1.8 *
    Whites killed by white 10.1 *

    Bullshit.

    A small sample, from the 2013 FBI Crime Stats Table 55A, which the FBI no longer posts online., for “Metropolitan Counties by Race”:

    White (including Hispanic)——-Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter——-929

    African-American——————-Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter——-647

    Those basic numbers blow your nonsense out of the water.
    I have the full set of “by race” FBI tables for 2013, should you require information you don’t know how to use.

  231. @Jonathan Revusky

    Hehe…you wrote: “Well, that’s that then. FBI people are straight arrow guys. They would never tell a lie.”

    The “…straight arrow guys.” bit is what gave me a little chuckle. :)

    I’m no expert on the FBI, but, as far as I’ve been able to tell they have always been liars…and highly professional obstructers of justice!

  232. @Bill Jones

    “Christopher Hitchens…now enjoying his fifth year of sobriety”

    That’s mean, mean, mean, Bill Jones! :)

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  233. Boris says:
    @Randal

    Amusing that you are embarrassed by it because your argument is clearly incorrect.

    Ken’s “adjusting for percentages” numbers are completely wrong. Not surprised that you’re defending them.

    In the real world, of course, populations are a very long way from being properly mixed, and random encounters would give rise to far lower proportions of black-white violence than is the case.

    I’m glad to see that you agree that housing discrimination is a real thing. Sure, this could move the numbers. But there are other societal factors to consider: wealth being an important consideration. How many violent attacks were robberies? It seems that targeting people for wealth might end up looking a lot like targeting people for being white.

    But that’s the work that real criminologists do, and not the work done by racists like Jared Taylor. His job is to stoke fear that black people are going to hurt you when you are much more likely to be attacked or killed by your own race.

    After all, the people who threw rocks at peaceful marchers in the 1960s passed on their violent genes, didn’t they?

  234. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Boris

    Boris,

    Thank you for arguing from the standpoint of numbers and facts.

    I did not say black murderers on average are deliberately targeting whites. I said that there is strong evidence that you provided that suggests blacks are far more likely to kill whites than the other way around.

    As far as the argument from the population distribution that goes both ways. While black murderers have more of an opportunity to find a white victim than white murderers have to find a black victim, the low percentage of murderers in either population should, all else being equal, result in roughly the same percentage of inter-racial murder if murderers did not prejudice one race or the other. Indeed, given the segregation of the races in this country black murderers should rarely interact with white victims unless there was more of a deliberate targeting. That black murderers commit twice the rate of inter-racial murder as white murderers suggests to me that there is a greater likelihood of hate crimes being committed against white people by black people than the other way around. In terms of absolute numbers and proportional representation on the basis of population size, blacks are far more likely to kill a white person than the other way around.

    I appreciate your honesty in argumentation. But I do believe, on average, the statistics support the theory that white people have far more to fear from black people than the other way around. But if you listen to the media, you would believe the exact opposite.

    That is the point of this excellent article. The media lies about black criminality and it does not serve any legitimate purpose other than to convince us that they are despicable liars. Their lies perpetuate black antagonism towards whitey while deepening the divide in this country between the races.

  235. Che Guava says:
    @Rurik

    There is a popular genre of ‘Holocaust’ fiction in Israel. I forget the modern ‘ebrew word for it, but some were pubiished in translation as pulp fiction.

    Being a fan of pulp, I bought and read a couple.

    At first, I thought ‘this is so terrible’, but soon realised they were conflations of truth and lies, and, while the covers had claims to be the truth, there was always a disclaimer under the statements of rights and history of publication, to the effect that they were in fact, purely works of fiction.

    A little later, I found similar B-movies, Ilsa, She.Wolf of the SS, as the most ridiculous.

    They were all unwatchable, seriously, I rented a couple from a shop in suburban Tokyo, never able to watch one from end to end, too stupid a mix of bad torture porn (thus the slight popularity in Japan) and total nonsense.

    So I began to doubt the Standard Model of HIstory.

    That is in stark contrast to the Chinese movie about Japan’s Unit 741, also filed there in the horror section, but the details match what even many here have testified to.

    The English title of the movie is The Men behind the Sun, strongly recommended.

    They don’t much like to talk about 741 in the USA, since their value as germ-warfare experts (and doubtless valuable data gained through torture) was too high.

    One of Nth. Korea’s gripes against the USA is having been victim to a germ-warfare attack, designed by 741 alumni or US military who had been trained by them.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  236. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    In particular, are Jew generally taught that everything that was claimed was all the God’s honest gospel?

    The Holocaust is not something formally “taught”as a subject in any institution of Jewish studies AFAIK. On the day of remembrance yom hashoah, prayers for all perished souls of that terrible period are offered at our synagogue.

    I’d be curious about is what is taught in the yeshivas and synagogues. Are Jews generally taught that the whole narrative of the Holocaust was all true, every bit of it?

    I’ve never read in a yeshiva, but have a fair knowledge of various curricula. Its difficult to describe in a precis, the lifetime of study that many scholars engage in at the various yeshivot. It starts with the study [in pairs of students] of the Chumshei Torah or the five books of the Bible, the Pentateuch in Latin. The masoretic [authoritative] written version in classical Hebrew and Aramaic is the Tanakh, which is supplemented throughout by Targumim, which are explanations, paraphrases, anecdotes and other spoken explanatory devices used by rabbis for the congregations. This is the first major undertaking.

    Then there is the Talmud, which is the premier text of rabbinical judaism [there are three distinct versions, the Bavli [Babylonian], the Yerushalmi and the Falastini ; I have only read parts of the first] . It has two components: the Mishneh Torah (c. 200 CE), a written compilation of rabbinic Judaism’s oral Torah, and the Gemara ( c. 500 CE), an elucidation of the Mishnah and related writings that often ventures onto other subjects [even economics, logic and argumentation] and expounds broadly on the Hebrew Bible. Study of the Tanakh and the Talmud are the commitment of a lifetime really.

    Finally [not really :) ] there is the Zohar which is the seminal literary work which forms the basis of the Kabbalah; the mystical and metaphysical signals and interpretations of the oral Torah. It is written entirely in a cryptic, older version of Aramaic. [I had started reading it years ago, but abandoned it quickly for I was insufficiently gifted in Aramaic and my main academics would've surely headed for a disaster had I continued with dogged determination]

    So, contrary to what is believed by a few on these blogs, the Holocaust is not taught explicitly at these institutions.

    The lampshades, the shrunken heads, the human soap factories? Indeed, there were some pretty outlandish claims that were made about geysers of blood shooting into the air where the Nazis were tossing babies out of lories onto bomb fires. There were specially trained eagles and bears that were used to kill Jews, and so forth.

    How much of this stuff is taught in the Jewish communities and schools and so forth as gospel fact, and how much is sort of just dismissed?

    I have never come across any of these nor are they taught in jewish sunday schools. Of course the Holocaust is discussed as a great tragedy that the Jewish people endured. A great many of all communities died. So when my grandmother, e.g., ventures into it, she never speaks of it in a way meant to garner extraordinary attentions or privileges.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Rurik
  237. Sam Shama says:
    @Bill Jones

    [( now enjoying his fifth year of sobriety)]

    I don’t believe Hitch harboured any illusions about an afterlife, and had he found himself on the fateful day, placed on the wrong side of Pascal’s wager, he would’ve marvellously argued his way to a fine bottle of JWB. So fear not, sobriety he doesn’t suffer.

  238. Big Bill says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    One of the standard criminal hate-crime defenses against black-on-white hate crime charges is what might be called a “Rational Robber” defense.

    “Sure, my client said ‘let’s go get a honky!’. But you have to understand that the black community generally perceives whites to be rich, unarmed, and pussies. Therefore the reason they deliberately assaulted whites was because they wanted the most money & sex with the least amount of violence and trouble. My client, the defendant, has nothing personal against white folks.”

    The defense works, hence no serious prosecutor pushes hate crime charges against black criminals.

  239. gwynedd1 says:
    @Rurik

    In statistics the rule is that when you can find no correlation, always predict the mean.

    At the level of a large population , odds of bad things happening to your daughter are higher with blacks, certainly . However , you should not be in the position to predict the mean. You should always know the specifics ans she should already know from a young age that without your guidance there are consequences. If you are just going to rely on the the statistics of race and when she is already a teenager, you have already gone very wrong. A passport and a library card would screen better than race.

    • Agree: Rurik
  240. @utu

    I have no problem with race realists. They are at pains to point out that race is real and that there are real behavioral differences between races. It’s the groupies I object to. People who take a scum bag like George Zimmerman for a hero. I maintain that all participants in identity politics are tools of the ruling class. And that black and white can hate each other on their own time if they want to but our day job is to unite against the .01%

    • Replies: @joef
    , @utu
  241. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik:

    if you poll ten thousand Americans randomly and ask them, ‘were the Nazis racists who considered themselves superior to others? ; 9,999 of those people would say yes. (myself included)

    First of all, vast majority of Americans are as dumb as a rock, so polling 10,000 of them means nothing. A lot of muricans cannot tell u which countries the US shares borders with.
    Take a look a this;
    Stupid Americans Clueless About September 11th Attack Fifteen Year Anniversary

    BTW, the propaganda works, eh? Noticed how many of those idiots replied Saddam Hussein?

    Also, You see, Rurik, it is not that the fucking idiots interviewed are too busy, they r just lazy, just don’t care… that is, btw, what Zionist vermim, like Sam shame, count on besides their enormous control of Media, Academia, etc.

    Now, If you poll 10 thousand well informed people and ask them, ‘were the Muricans of the 1940s racists who considered themselves superior to others? ; 10,000 of those people would say yes. (myself included). :-P
    Back in those days, even East Asians were considered inferior.
    In fact, many muricans still today think they are superior to others, particularly to ‘third worlders’ & non-whites. We see some of them posting here at Unz all the time.

    Rurik:

    From everything I know about them, their uber fascism and so forth, they would have killed a guy like be for being unwilling to shut off my brain and blindly support the Fuhrer in all things.

    Ok, written by a middle-class(?) – successful businessman? – writing from Zusa in the 21st Century. But, but, if you were an unemployed and downtrodden working class German in the 30s b4 the National Socialists came to power & vastly improved your lot, u might be willing to trade a bit of your – largely imaginary – freedom for the more palpable gains offered.

    Rurik:

    I’d prefer to imagine myself in the mold of Rommel, who Hitler forced to commit suicide for Rommel’s unwillingness to give his support to the disastrous Nazi regime. No to Nazis, yes to truth!

    Hmm… Rommel actually for a long time b4 and during the war supported Hitler and the N.S party.
    The circunstances surrounding his death & whether or not he really participated in the July plot are not entirely clear.
    IMO, if he did, at that point he then betrayed his country, for one, cause even if the conspirators had succedeed, it would not have mattered at all, given the unconditional surrender BS.
    So yes, yes to the truth.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  242. @Sam Shama

    Are you saying that Jewish young people are not taught what was taught to public middle school student in Peters Township — http://la8period3.pbworks.com/w/page/25942427/Death%20Camps

    How about the assignment that middle school students in the Rialto school district in California were assigned — to critically analyze the holocaust narrative — Do Jewish young people conduct such analyses? http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/holocaust-essay-prompt-causes-controversy

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  243. Agent76 says:

    May 26, 2016 The First African Americans Elected to Congress

    These were the first African Americans elected to office. Many people don’t know much about them. Here are a few facts that might surprise you.

  244. Agent76 says:

    May 13, 2009 Democrats Lynching Killing Black & White ‘Radical Republicans’

    The Klu Klux Klan was founded as a Democrat proxy group. Many black Americans served in the U.S. Goverment in the 1800′s and beyond as part of the “Radical Republican” party. In 1912 the ‘Progressive’ Democrat, President Woodrow Wilson instituted racial segregation into the Federal Government. Many blacks were subsequently pushed out of the Federal Government.

    On the evening of March 21, 1915 President Woodrow Wilson attended a special screening at the White House of THE BIRTH OF A NATION, a film directed by D.W. Griffith and based on THE CLANSMAN, a novel written by Wilson’s good friend Thomas Dixon.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_birth.html

  245. Rurik says:
    @Che Guava

    Hey Che,

    thanks for that

    I was even rather pleasantly amused by some of the IIsa stuff. So over the top it was hilarious.

    And I watched some of the Unit 741 stuff too. From the stuff the Japanese are known to have done, it looked pretty tame.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  246. BostonTea says:
    @Gene Su

    “According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation’s population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. ”

    There’s a huge problem with official assessments and conclusions about trends in violence based on national statistics.

    In federal statistics an overwhelming majority of the U.S. Hispanic population is classified as White and crime-reporting programs typically record Hispanic arrests as White arrestees, failing to separate ethnicity from race – in particular, failing to separate Hispanics from non-Hispanic Whites. This does not only hides the true disparity between White-Black crime rates but also tends to inflate White rates and deflate Black rates. It is called the “Hispanic Effect”.

    After creating estimates of “clean” White and “clean” Black arrest counts that do not include Hispanics, Steffensmeier et al. discovered that the Black share of violent crime was enlarged from 51% to 64% for homicide category and from 59% to 70% for robbery. As far as ratios are concerned, the average Black–White ratio for homicide was 7:1 using official FBI’s figures and jumped to almost 12:1 after adjusting (after separating Hispanics from non-Hispanic Whites). Same for robbery: ratio jumped from 10:1 to 15:1.

    Source: Steffensmeier et al., “Reassessing Trends in Black Violent Crime, 1980-2008″

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  247. vinteuil says:
    @Wanderer

    To my surprise, the short version I published at Alt-Right is still available at RadixJournal:

    http://www.radixjournal.com/altright-archive/altright-archive/main/blogs/hbd/the-big-lie-of-the-hate-crime

    The original, with lots more details, must be sitting on one of my old hard-drives somewhere.

  248. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    How much of this stuff is taught in the Jewish communities and schools and so forth as gospel fact, and how much is sort of just dismissed?

    I have never come across any of these nor are they taught in jewish sunday schools. Of course the Holocaust is discussed as a great tragedy that the Jewish people endured.

    thanks Sam

    I’m surprised they don’t speak of specifics. Like was there a deliberate agenda for the total extermination of the Jewish race or not? Were their actual homicidal gas chambers? Did they actually have swimming pools and conduct orchestras and plays as Auschwitz? If I were Jewish, I would think I’d be curious about such things. But then I’m not Jewish (or German), so I suppose my interest is more academic.

    thanks for the reply

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @englishmike
  249. vinteuil says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Exactly. To get closer to the real story, you have to use the NCVS.

  250. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    First of all, vast majority of Americans are as dumb as a rock,

    OK, you got me there

    In fact, many muricans still today think they are superior to others, particularly to ‘third worlders’ & non-whites

    yea, maybe. But it’s not like we’re waging aggressive wars all over the place bombing and destroying countries and entire regions and raining down death and misery upon millions of innocents, now are we?

    It’s not like we consider ourselves some kind of master-race, exceptional people who have the God given right to impose our will on others, do we? It’s not like we treat entire religions as if they were fair game for our unilateral wrath, I mean come on! Hitler and the Nazis acted like they were some kind of indispensable people, and they’d use propaganda and lies shamelessly to paint their enemies as the aggressors and as fundamentally evil, while they were supposed to be fundamentally ‘good’. You see what I mean? I could never be on board for that kind of fucked up thinking?

    They acted like they had the God given right to march across borders and kill people. To imprison and even torture people, often people they knew were innocent of any crime! Do you understand why someone like me would have to repudiate such fucked up mentality every step of the way?

    I simply would never be able to be a chest-thumping, USA, USA!! shouting Nazi in good standing with my so-called “leaders”. I’d tell those leaders to f’ off when they called me up to put the uniform on with the “Gott ist mit uns” mantras.

    But saying all this, I will say the Germans did have a thousand times more justification for waging war then than America does today. That I will absolutely agree to.

    IMO, if he did, at that point he then betrayed his country, for one, cause even if the conspirators had succedeed, it would not have mattered at all, given the unconditional surrender BS.

    IDK

    I’m a big fan of the Christmas truce. From what I understand Hitler condemned the German soldiers for it, but I’d prefer a world were no man would take order from other men to kill men he didn’t know for dubious reasons at best. I wish more people were like me, and refused to fight unless we were being attacked. Rather than for governments who tell lies or highfalutin sounding ideals.

    But that’s just me. Not that I don’t get your points, and I’ve always said if the Polish colonels would have simply allowed the corridor, then perhaps that mass insanity never would have transpired, (Zionist intrigues to the contrary notwithstanding). I don’t like militarism or goose stepping lemmingry. Not for me. And I have a difficult time with a lot of the things the Nazis did and said, just as my little spiel above tries to show.

    just how similar were the Nazis to the Americans today? I still put their terrible loss down to hubris. I wish they would have been more diplomatic, especially after realizing the infinite treachery of the English and the rest of the allies after WWI. They should have known, look at the price average Germans and the French and Greeks (and everyday Jews) and so many others had to pay for all that folly. And yes, I know about the commies and the Zionists and others, but then also, consider that it was Hitler that declared war on the US, not the other way around.

    so, while I agree with many of your points, I know the Nazis would have killed me. I just know it. They’d say here’s your uniform and weapon and now march in lockstep and go kill those other guys. Personally for me I’ve always considered wars as a way for the elites of a society to slaughter off their excess populations. And a way for their own idiot children to advance. I guess I’m just very much against war and militarism and sheep-like lemmingry of all types and sorts. Especially when it comes to killing. But then as you say, were I to have been a young German during that time in history, perhaps I’d feel differently.

    Nevertheless, Germans in particular sure have gotten a raw deal, and have been forced to suffer for generations by the dishonorable victors, and I despise all of that worse than you know.

    • Replies: @L.K
  251. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I am not tasked with keeping the records of what thousands of public schools in this country assign to their pupils, are you? It is entirely possible that the Holocaust is covered in history classes or in critical thinking. For example a cousin in the 8th grade [in a public school in Alpine NJ] reads in his history text, a chapter dealing with many genocides, including the Holocaust, The Armenian genocide, The Laotian genocide, several Russian genocides…….

    You are steaming in your own juices on this score, and don’t therefore realise, that Jewish communities – such as they are, and not at all separated from Christians – have things to achieve, and not preoccupied with the Holocaust. That’s you personal affliction.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  252. vinteuil says:
    @Boris

    An excerpt from my Alt-Right/Radix article:

    “…the key point is that the number of white encounters with blacks is, necessarily, identical to the number of black encounters with whites. So if each group were equally aggressive and equally disposed to hate the other, then one would expect such encounters to be equally likely to lead to white-on-black as to black-on-white hate crimes. Indeed, if anything, one would expect the smaller, weaker, and allegedly “oppressed” group to be intimidated and thrown on the defensive by the larger, stronger, and allegedly “oppressive” group. Instead, one finds exactly the opposite…”

  253. @Anonymous Smith

    I must admit it’s a retread, I first used it about Teddy Kennedy.

  254. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    Didn’t mean to give you the wrong impression. In appropriate discussions, the historical backdrop is explored, including the various concentration camps and many details of daily humiliations and terror that untermenschen endured. You know, sort of at a survey level. However the lampshades etc. …no I’ve never encountered, which does not imply that no one has. In fact Rurik, you should ask your Jewish friends re: the Holocaust; I’ll wager you that they will respond in the following manner: “Oh yes, deep tragedy, so many millions of people killed. As a Jew I feel compelled to remember it, because we were one of the more prominent groups targeted by the Nazis”. Quite sure very, very, few if any, would know or mention lampshades etc. As far as swimming pools, orchestras at Auschwitz, I don’t know [my grandmother was placed in Theresienstadt and she never spoke of any orchestras there]

  255. @Sam Shama

    That’s you personal affliction.

    No, it’s not my “personal affliction,” but it is my property tax dollars that go to public schools that are required to teach the mendacious content that those middle school children regurgitated.

    I didn’t see Abe Foxman protesting that middle school students were being abused by being led to believe that German physicians put sawdust and glass in the wounds of persons under their care, but he sure as shooting was quick to shut down a program that urged middle school students to critically assess whether the same sort of information made sense or not.

    The next generation that will lead this country is being forced to learn about sawdust and ground glass, but being denied the chance to actively and critically assess their own history.

    I will protest that debasement of the taxpayer-funded education system and the psychological abuse of American school children, and the distortion of American history until I no longer have breath to do so.

    The USA went to war against Iraq based on lies.
    Our school children are taught lies.

    I believe it is every citizen’s obligation to ensure that the truth of our history be known.

    Solon would agree.
    Croesus learned that lesson the hard way.

    • Replies: @iffen
  256. Rehmat says:

    “For decades, the Nation of Islam—the so-called “Black Muslims”—had been preaching that whites were “devils”….”

    Very wrong statement Ron.

    The Black Muslim organization was not established by Elijah Muhammad who never studied Islam from some Muslim scholar but from Western interpretation of Islam to whitewash crimes of Judeo-Christianity against the Black Folks. When his son Waris Deen Muhammad studied Islam from some objective source – he left Black Muslim group which latter changed its name to the ‘Nation of Islam’ under Louis Farrakhan who called ADL’s Foxman, a DEVIL.

    Malcolm X and the CHAM Muhammad Ali also left the Black Muslim group and joined the mainstream of Islamic groups which never treated them as NIGGERS – because over 30% of the 1.9 billion Muslims world-wide are Blacks.

    In contrast – there is a Black Jewish sect right in the United States whose members believe that the White folks are DEVILS.

    In October 2013, a Pennsylvania appeal court recently upheld the ‘Black Chosen Peoples’ rights to spew hateful slurs at passerby on city-owned property in Philadelphia. Unlike over 8 million American Muslims, these hatemongering Black Jews, known as the Israelite Church of G-d in Jesus Christ, have been calling White folks DEVIL and women being WHORES based on their interpretation of the Bible. They also claim that both Moses and Jesus were Blacks from Nazareth and Egypt. Watch a video below.

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/10/23/black-jews-white-race-is-devil-and-women-are-whores/

  257. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    the truth of our history be known

    Do you have any sort of certificate that places you in charge of “our” history? What is the source of your authority? The reason that I ask is that I consider it “my” history too, and I don’t much care for your interpretation.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  258. KenH says:
    @Boris

    I agree that blacks commit hate crimes at a rate slightly greater than their proportion of the population. But Ron Unz’s claim was:

    Slightly? Blacks are 12.5% of the population while they commit just over 23% of all hate crimes. Therefore, they are overrepresented by almost a factor of 2. Slightly would be 14%, not over 23%. No wonder you’re having difficulty.

    And you’ve compounded your error. I really don’t have time to teach math to white supremacists. I thought you guys were supposed to have superior IQs or something, but this is just embarrassing.

    And I don’t have time to teach basic math to anti-racists/anti-white bigots such as yourself, but I will anyway:

    If blacks are 12.5% of the population and commit 561,000 crimes against whites and whites are 62% of the population and commit 99,000 violent crimes against whites then:

    561/99 = 5.67 (Blacks are 5.67 times more likely to commit violent crime before adjusting for population percentage differences)

    62/12.5 = 4.96 (There are 4.96 fewer blacks than whites)

    Since there are approximately 4.96 times fewer blacks than whites you must multiply this figure by 5.67 to arrive at 28.12 which means adjusted for population percentages blacks are 28.12 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse and not simply 5.67 times. I believe it’s possible the problem is actually worse than this and that some mulattoes and lighter skinned blacks are counted in the “other” and “unknown” category to artificially suppress their violent crime rate. Ron Unz is correct in his supposition.

    Hispanics are 16% of the population (over 3% more than blacks) and commit 487,000 violent crimes against whites which is roughly 75K less than blacks commit so your specious claim that crime is more or less reflective of each race’s population percentages is false.

    I never claimed to have a superior IQ, but it’s obvious some of us have a leg up on you. I eagerly await your vain attempt to use anti-racist math and illogic to refute my points.

    P.S. Blacks rape white women anywhere from 15-40K times annually while white men rape less than 10 black women annually, so it registers as zero in the crime statistics.

    • Replies: @Boris
  259. @iffen

    Do you have any sort of certificate that places you in charge of “our” history?

    yes

    • Replies: @iffen
  260. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I thought that you might.

    Reading your comments lead me to believe that you were the type to print certificates for yourself.

    • LOL: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  261. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I’ll admit I haven’t carefully read this immensely long comment-thread, now well over 40,000 words, and with many of the comments hardly being entirely topical. Fortunately, many of the issues some commenters raised seem to have already been very effectively addressed by other commenters. But a few minor issues:

    (1) I apologize for my carelessness in describing the case of the teenage white girl who was kidnapped, held captive for several days while being repeatedly gang-raped, then killed, with her body fed to alligators. She suffered her unfortunate fate in South Carolina rather than Florida, and it must have been the detail of the alligators that confused me into thinking of that latter state.

    (2) It appears I was mistaken that the facts of Louis Till’s execution for multiple rapes and murder only came out “long [after]” the Emmett Till case. However, I certainly never heard of them in all the decades I’d seen the Till case mentioned, so I really wonder how widespread that information was prior to the development of the Internet. If facts come out, but almost no one is made aware of them, there’s an epistemological question of whether they have actually “come out.”

    (3) I was really quite surprised that several commenters seem to have an *exceptionally* different understanding of the facts of the Trayvon Martin case than my own. All I can say is that either I’m totally brain-washed or they are, and if they eventually conclude it’s the latter, perhaps they should apply that revelation and reconsider everything else they “know” about the world from the MSM.

    Despite what I felt was a solid knowledge of the case, I actually sat down and read Jack Cashill’s very persuasive book in preparation for this article, and it accorded exactly with what I’d known for years. So I’d highly recommend it and its many hundreds of footnotes to those commenters who seem to have any negative view of George Zimmerman’s behavior, with the cost being as little as $1.10 plus shipping:

    https://www.amazon.com/If-had-Son-Railroading-Zimmerman/dp/1938067215/

    (4) I’m *extremely* skeptical that the Black Muslims involved in the Zebra Killings had been infiltrated by the FBI or that the attacks were any sort of “false flag.” Indeed, if anything, there seems some evidence that their sympathizers had actually infiltrated the SFPD, making it much more difficult to halt the killings.

    Whereas many Americans seem to think that “nothing is a conspiracy,” Revusky seems to balance that out by believing that absolutely *everything* is a conspiracy, with a marked tendency to profanely insult anyone who disagrees with him. Although he keeps on accusing numerous other commenters of being disinfo agents, given his extreme quarrelsomeness, perhaps he himself is such an operative, attempting to disrupt reasoned discussion with endless insults, slurs, and wildly implausible theories.

  262. lavoisier says: • Website
    @BostonTea

    Excellent use of statistics. Anyone looking at these numbers would have to concede that blacks are not only disproportionately involved in criminal activity relative to whites, they are an order of magnitude or more involved in criminal activity relative to whites. Such a disparity is surely disquieting to anyone hoping for cordial race relations.

  263. @Ron Unz

    Thanks for your article and for discussing the Zebra Killings in particular. Revusky (again and again) goes “What was the motive” of the NOI killings. He can peruse Thomas Peele’s book (which I referenced earlier), “Killing the Messenger.” Chapter 12 covers the San Francisco Zebra Killings and other NOI murders in Oakland and Sacramento. Peele, wrote on page 148:

    “Another of the Sacramento killers, Larry Pratt, also eventually expressed deep remorse to parole commissioners, telling them that killings around the state were coordinated by Muslim elders. ‘It definitely was a racial crime. It was predicated on our racial beliefs. (Under) the Nation of Islam, whites were considered our enemies. As a matter of fact the word used was DEVIL. This was constantly taught at the time. We had books on it, little pamphlets. This is what I see now as part of the brainwashing effect.’ ”

    Larry Green, one of the San Francisco killers, had these books and pamphlets in his car when arrested.

    Clark Howard had discovered NOI leaders were behind the killings in extensive interviews for his 1979 book.

  264. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik :

    just how similar were the Nazis to the Americans today?

    Indeed, there is no comparison. The German N.S regime desired to revise the wrongs perpetrated on Germany by the Versailles Diktat.

    I find it peculiar that u, Rurik, r ok with Putin defending Russias geopolitical interests in the Crimea( I agree), as well as the Russian speaking population there, but seems to have a problem with the very similar German situation in the late 30s. One difference is that the ethnic Germans suffered a lot more & over and extended period of time.

    ZUSA, on the other hand, is a Global Empire, one which desires nothing less than World Hegemony. Over 800 military bases all over the world, constantly at war somewhere.
    What kinda country spends over 90% of its existence at war? A depraved one. You guys have NEVER been attacked, all your wars therefore have been wars of choice and Empire.
    You see, ZUSA may have become even more aggressive & depraved after the fall of the USSR, which acted, for better or worse, as a counterbalance to ZUSA’S power. But ZUSA was never innocent. You don’t lose that which you never had in the first place.
    Now, ZUSA has really grown totally insane and is pushing the world towards nuclear war…
    Will Russia surrender? Will China?

    Rurik:

    I’d prefer a world were no man would take order from other men to kill men he didn’t know for dubious reasons at best. I wish more people were like me, and refused to fight unless we were being attacked.

    On that point, I’m right there with you. Of course, that has never been the case with the US.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  265. joef says:
    @WorkingClass

    Zim is not a hero, but he is not a villain either. He is simply a man who probably initiated a confrontation by harassing Trayvon. That does not mean said harassment caused Zim to forfeit his own life when Trayvon escalated the situation to deadly force levels. It is highly doubtful that Trayvon banged Zim’s head against the pavement after he was fatally shot. If Zim shot Trayvon after receiving his head wounds, he was justified in his use of force (just as Trayvon would have been if the roles were reversed). Just because Zim may have initiated the confrontation does not mean that Trayvon was justified in escalating the contact to deadly force. Making Zim a hero may be foolish, but making him a villain is equally so.

  266. joef says:

    We should stop pretending that pandering to parasitical behavior will accomplish racial harmony with radical afro americans. Instead violence will increase, and the vitality of economy will decrease; end of story, and all the obfuscation, name calling, and wishful thinking, will not change this. If not accepting the unacceptable is racism, then so be it. For things to get better the radical afro americans need to stop blaming whitey for all their own, mostly self created, problems. But, as it seems now, nothing will change, and it will continue to get worse.

    Those who live in denial, and over intellectualize reality, will be the primary victims as things continue to deteriorate. But instead of blaming the radical afros, they will blame those of us who refuse to become a victim, and who recognize things as they truly are. To people who were born, raised & lived in major urban areas, adjoining black ghettos, where bad consequences were personally experienced, and our opinions were adversely tested by reality, we will not compromise our own survival on the alter of political correctness. And that is what is so intolerable to the leftist who demands that we all adhere to the collective guilt of fake white privilege.

    As radical afro americans are jonesing for a R war, and leftist continue to attempt to social engineer utopia (by praising dysfunctional behavior) the rest of us are trapped by these pernicious goals. Either you acknowledge this and try to adapt the best you can, or you will become a victim when the destruction can no longer be contained. We did not ask for this (this includes decent Blacks), but we are stuck with it nevertheless.

  267. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Sorry. My mistake. This is starting to happen frequently that so often I am starting to get my thugs and their abodes mixed up.The figures for the crime rate in Trayvon’s and Zimmerman’s town are correct however.

  268. @Ron Unz

    Revusky seems to balance that out by believing that absolutely *everything* is a conspiracy,

    Ron, the above is an ill-considered statement because, properly understood, in this context, it is meaningless. Whatever happened in the case of the Zebra murders, it IS definitionally a “conspiracy”.

    That is, using the ordinary dictionary meaning of “conspiracy”. Now, of course, “conspiracy theorist” in the CIA/Mockingbird framing does not actually mean somebody who believes in “conspiracies”, i.e. that people conspire. It means someone who does not believe the official version of events.

    In fact, if the official version of events is that there was a conspiracy and you believe there was NOT, that makes you a “conspiracy theorist” under the working definition used in the MSM. Also, if the official version of events is a conspiracy and you simply say you disbelieve it without positing any “theory” yourself, you are a conspiracy theorist by that definition, originally promulgated by the CIA.

    So this use of the term “conspiracy”, in which you are saying I believe in conspiracies is not a very useful analytical tool. One would have thought that you realized that already, based on your previous American Pravda articles.

    It is true that I have said that, to all intents and purposes, the official version of whatever happened in a deep event is NEVER truthful. I have said that, but one would think that a man of your intelligence would realize that this was a rhetorical exaggeration. Of course, on occasion, the official version of what happens is broadly truthful. (A broken clock may be showing roughly the correct time but usually it isn’t!)

    In any case, if I have a strong prior record of “crying conspiracy”, i.e. screaming that some official version of events is not what happened, specifically in a case where the official version is clearly what happened, could you outline the cases in which I have done that?

    But the real point is this, I think…. Suppose I look at a set of deep events, like these latest terrorism cases in Europe, and I just assume that the official version of what happened is false — i.e. that is my baseline assumption. And you look at them and your baseline assumption is that the official version is truthful, until maaaybe decades later somebody sufficiently “prominent” writes a book and tells you that this is NOT what happened.

    If my baseline assumption is that the official story is false, and yours is that it is true by default, who is going to be right more often? My sense of things is that I will almost always be right and you will almost always be wrong. Moreover, the overarching theme of your American Pravda series of articles seems to be a dawning realization of this!

    Not only is this beginning to dawn on you, it is beginning to dawn on many people. If, by default, you take the official version of a certain class of events to be true, you will, to all intents and purposes, ALWAYS be wrong. And what is happening is that people do get tired of always being wrong. At least some people do. Others are not particularly bothered by it, I suppose. I guess it’s like the old proverb: “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 137 times in a row… err… WTF, you must think I’m stupid or something!

    So, along these lines, a “conspiracy theorist” is somebody who simply finally gets sick and tired of always being wrong, and of always being duped by official lies. If that is what you are accusing me of, then I plead guilty to being a “conspiracy theorist” and do so proudly. If I am ashamed somewhat, it is because it took me so long to get to this point!

    As for the rather silly comments about my “quarrelsome personality”, at this point, I will restrict myself to pointing out that it is irrelevant. The issue still is whether the points I am bringing up are wrong. That is what there is an onus on you to demonstrate, not that my personality is deplorable. In fact, that you are resorting to this is frankly reasonably strong prima facie evidence that you do not actually have a very strong argument.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  269. @Ron Unz

    I’m *extremely* skeptical that the Black Muslims involved in the Zebra Killings had been infiltrated by the FBI

    Okay, fine, but could you clarify a point? I made the very general point that my understanding of this time period is that, basically ALL of these anti-establishment groups, from the KKK to the black panthers and the student protest movement, were infiltrated by the FBI. The broad term for this program was Cointelpro.

    Are you saying that my claim that all these groups were infiltrated is itself false?

    Or are you saying that this is broadly true, but that the Nation of Islam specifically was not infiltrated when most other groups were? And if that is the case, is this because the FBI tried to infiltrate the NOI and failed or they simply did not try?

    So could you clarify your thinking on that?

    In other matters, I was trying to look into this and this isn’t like JFK or 9/11 where there is a huge amount of information. One thing that is interesting that I found is this page:

    It refers to Larry Green, one of the convicted Zebra murderers, who I guess is still alive or was still alive 3 years ago in 2013

    http://wurldwydelegacy.com/the-peoples-cry-3/

    There is a statement there by one Abdul R. Nasir, who personally knew Green, was his prison chaplain, and is completely convinced of Green’s innocence.

    Now, granted, that doesn’t mean anything necessarily. Maybe Larry Green is a great conman and conned Nasir. Though, still, Abdul Nasir was a prison chaplain for 13 years or so, so he knew plenty of hard-core criminals personally and I suppose didn’t believe them always. I dunno….

    But anyway, at the bottom of the text, there is Nasir’s phone number, has a 510 area code. At least it was his phone number in 2013. I haven’t tried calling. Also there is an email address.

    I would point out also that Larry Green, unless something changed, is imprisoned in California State prison Solano, in Vacaville, CA, which is an hour and a half drive from Palo Alto. If you are very interested in this case, you could go talk to these people, the chaplain and Larry Green himself. I assume Larry Green would receive you. He probably doesn’t get too many visits.

    Then you could hear these people out — and fine, with extreme skepticism… — but at least consider their version of what happened.

    I don’t know whether you could easily manage to talk to, say, Louis Farrakhan and see what he says happened. I suppose it would be worth a try though.

    Now let me re-iterate that I never expressed any certainty about what actually did happen. I first heard of the Zebra murders when Steve Sailer wrote an article alluding to it, and I googled it and found the whole thing very murky.

    My biggest problem with the official story is that has a very RRN feel to it. RRN, if you will recall, is a term I used in the first essay I wrote for this site. It stands for “Roger Rabbit narrative”. These crazed black Muslims just decide to go kill some white people just for the pure heck of it. Motive? They just have a general intense hatred of all white people…

    I find the story, as posited, hard to believe. Thus, I suspect there is more to it than that. But I don’t really know for sure. Maybe you should go visit Larry Green in Solana State prison and see if you can judge whether this person really killed people like that in cold blood just for being white. It might be a good thing to do. It would get you out of your ivory tower shell a bit. You could then write about the experience and it would be different from most of your articles. It wouldn’t be a recitation of all these bloodless statistics. Not that there is anything wrong with reciting statistics, but they say variety is the spice of life.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  270. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    off topic — feedback

    Why is the Books section left to languish?
    Why not more Norman Finkelstein?

  271. Anymous says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    As is often the case, I have to disagree with you, more on the form than the substance, but for once also on the substance.

    It’s hard to have read more than a little by Reed and not realize he is a writer of above-doubt integrity (and intelligence). And, well yes, patriotism.

    I find him undependable only when the topic comes to Mexico, Mexicans, and — to a minor degree — Jews. He then loses every objectivity.

    Still, he’s a paradigm of objectivity 90% of the times or more, then, and I’m not going to speak in terms of “ass” and “seriousness” about somebody just because they let their personal preferences and life events (like his being married to a Mexican Jew and living in Mexico) sway them.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  272. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    “his extreme quarrelsomeness” – Character that is destiny. We often forget about it here at unz.com by playing up the role of IQ. JR is smart but…

  273. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    again and again) goes “What was the motive” of the NOI killings

    He keeps harping on that since on the surface it seemingly makes no sense to him. Cult-like reasoning has it’s own inner logic. Did the Manson killings have a logical motive? No, but they happened.

  274. @iffen

    Having re-read my comments, iffen, what is your best argument to refute the claims and evidence asserted?

    My argument was summarized in # 263: in at least one taxpayer-supported public school in the USA Middle School students are being taught that German physicians put sawdust and glass shards in incisions; that line of sheathing is reinforced by the students’s teacher.

    On the other hand, when another taxpayer-supported public school system developed a syllabus to teach middle school children to critically analyze assertions such as the ‘sawdust and glass’ claim, above, that school system was attacked by Jewish organizations and forced to withdraw the teaching plan.

    I think it’s wrong to teach school children what is really atrocity propaganda, and even more wrong to attack the teaching of critical thinking applied to historical events such as WWII.

    What is your best argument to refute my positions?
    Attacking me personally is not a winning argument.

    Give it your best shot, iffen; maybe you, too, can become certified to be “in charge of history.”

    • Replies: @iffen
  275. iffen says:

    The MSM is like Pravda.

    The reader cannot trust the perspective of the MSM and its reporting of events.

    The MSM is controlled by Jews. The degree to which this is factual is up for endless debate as is the question of whether this “control” is inimical. Depending upon one’s opinion of the degree of Jewish control, The Jews What Done It is forever on topic regardless of what words appear in the article.

    Ruling something off topic is a form of censorship. What is or is not on topic is not objective, but rather it is one of the first moves in a debate and a very effective one.

    There are various threads and groupings of cognoscenti available for your selection; you only need to find the warm bowl of milk that you prefer and start lapping it up.

  276. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hello Mr. Unz,

    extreme quarrelsomeness

    If I may, I’ve been lingering around these discussions for a while now, and I suspect that what may be motivating the ‘quarrelsomeness’ you speak of, is JR’s association with 911 truth with his own ‘persona’.

    I suspect, (and could very easily be wrong) that when someone like the esteemed Fred Reed writes articles mocking those of us (simply and in good faith) trying to get at the truth of that matter, that just possibly JR takes it personal- in a way.

    He has written some terrific tomes on the subject, and defended his points (and some very acute insights) vigorously against a barrage of less than honorable attacks – that often are aimed at his character more than the substance of his articles- (that are perhaps unassailable).

    so

    when someone of the stature of Mr. Reed writes an article that mocks ‘truthers’ and ridicules them as laughable fools.. who’re so deluded they actually go around with tin foil on their heads.. well then I suspect that JR feels Fred owes it to us to at least try to defend some of his (bordering on snide) insinuations. And when none are forthcoming, I suspect (this is all the fevered meanderings of my own conspiratorial mind) that JR in a way takes it personally. IDK

    Maybe. But that would go a long way towards explaining some of the more crass (if I may) obloquy. A penchant that (while perhaps understandable on some level), is, IMHO a distraction and a ‘put off’, so to speak.

    ~ Rurik – the unsolicited

  277. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Middle School students are being taught that German physicians put sawdust and glass shards in incisions

    It seems inappropriate for Middle School. I have never heard of this specific allegation before and do not have an opinion as to whether it is factual. As a generality, we know that some German scientists and doctors performed experiments and procedures on human subjects that were unethical and inhumane. So even if the specifics of this instance are incorrect, the generality is true.

    to critically analyze assertions

    Propaganda put out by members of the Hitler Fan Club do not qualify as critical analysis. I know that is what you say you are doing, and that you believe that you are, but it is not. You already know what you believe and you search, then pick and choose the facts to acknowledge or ignore depending upon whether the facts are supportive of your view or not.

    that school system was attacked by Jewish organizations and forced to withdraw the teaching plan.

    I haven’t studied the situation in detail, but in general, I have the opinion that it seems that some Jewish organizations and individuals overreact and overreach. I think that in some instances, accusations that the Holocaust Card is being played are accurate.

  278. utu says:
    @WorkingClass

    “I have no problem with race realists. They are at pains to point out that race is real and that there are real behavioral differences between races. It’s the groupies I object to.” – Right. The groupies can be really annoying.

    • Agree: Rurik
  279. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    The German N.S regime desired to revise the wrongs perpetrated on Germany by the Versailles Diktat.

    not only that LK, they had a slathering fiend on their doorstep. A genocidal, insatiable and demonic enemy that was determined to do to Germany what it had done to the Kulaks, out of it’s insane and all-consuming enmity for and towards white Christian types of people of ability. Basically anyone who made them feel bad about themselves by comparison. (kind of like the wicked witch who wanted to kill Snow White so that she could be ‘the fairest in the land’) It’s still going on today, especially in Germany, where anyone who objects to Middle Easterners and Africans replacing the German people – once and for all; (the final solution) are excoriated as “Nazis”!.

    I find it peculiar that u, Rurik, r ok with Putin defending Russias geopolitical interests in the Crimea( I agree), as well as the Russian speaking population there

    ah, but you see.. he hasn’t been defending all the Russian people over there.

    I’ve been on this board for a while now, and one of, it not my main agenda is to learn. To glimmer how and why things are going the way they are. To seek insights into things I couldn’t possibly know by going to Freerepublic or other Internet circle jerks of like minded people. Here at the Unz we’re privy to a very wide swath of international perspectives, and some of the posters here, usually from the Donbass area or have loved ones there or passionate attachments of some kind, are furious with Putin. They call him the worst things imaginable and froth at him as a traitor and scumbag for not doing more to protect those people. Surely you’ve heard some of them rail their rage. And no doubt, thousands of people, mostly civilians have been slaughtered over there, by ZUSA’s quisling stooge. Indeed, McCain and co. are frantic to get more weapons in the hands of those (neo-Nazis) in order to push Putin over the edge. It’s what I like to call the ‘Rope a Dope’ strategy, and Putin is having none of it. He’s too smart for that.

    And that’s one of my main criticisms of Hitler and the Nazis. It wasn’t that they were stupid people, rather they were blinded by hubris. They had an arrogant disregard for the threat that the US posed, thinking there were too many Negros and mongrels in America to pose a threat. That kind of thing. They disregarded the dangers posed by a West that was as much under the thrall of Zionism back then that it was during and after the first global madness that caused the Versailles treaty to happen in the first place. Putin knows all this and conducts himself accordingly. He isn’t rash. He’s calculating and shrewd. He thinks, rather than uses brute force.

    What kinda country spends over 90% of its existence at war? A depraved one. You guys have NEVER been attacked

    now, now

    we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, remember? Sure, you could say they provoked it, (and they did), and you could also say that FDR betrayed the admiralty and our sailors in uniform with treachery in order that the attack would kill as many sailors as possible (yet another similarity to 911) and you’d be right. But nevertheless, attacked we were, and the sleeping giant was roused to war. It’s all the stuff of history books.

    Are we “depraved”? No. Our government certainly is (and the media and a lot of the corporations, etc..), but I wouldn’t characterize the US as “depraved”, per se. I’m an American, and I certainly don’t consider myself as “depraved”, but then I don’t suppose you’re speaking of me personally. Yet, I suppose I would take exception to the characterization of Americans or ‘America’ as “depraved”. Duped? Oh fuck yea! Bovine, intellectually lazy, materialistic, money grubbing, spiritually retarded, and a whole lot of other things, sure. But America has its good side too. Our contempt for all things royal or pompous. Our independent spirit, in a word. But as far as the threat “we” are to the world today with ‘our’ Zio-wars and torture camps and military bases and meddling in other countries and the murderous quislings they’re foisting all over the world and bombs dropping and millions of innocent lives dashed or worse… as far as all of that, I’d say that as an American myself, I really don’t know of anyone who is more pissed off about all of that then myself. As an American. It is my government that is causing all of that evil around the world. It is my fellow countrymen who come back in body bags or missing limbs or worse. Just imagine what must be going through the minds and souls of all those young veterans who’re killing themselves by the droves. They simply can not live with themselves, perhaps with the knowledge of just how evil the American government actually is, and what they’ve been forced to participate in. I myself have huge issues with all of that. It isn’t the American people that are evil and depraved, it is the American government.

    (I noticed how I pressed on the keys as I wrote that last word. There is genuine anger over here LK)

    But ZUSA was never innocent. You don’t lose that which you never had in the first place.

    that’s not true

    we were innocent at one time, but that’s a long story. I’ll suffice to say that the men and women who came to these shores to escape the corruption and tyranny of Europe were not guilty for trying to make a better life over here. They were good people (and are), even if some of them on occasion did questionable things. What people’s history is 100% saintly?

    And today most Americans are still just duped, and innocent in a bovine kind of way. When Pat Tillman signed up to go kill the bastards that did that to us, he wasn’t just innocent, he was heroic. I never blame the sheeple for the lies and treachery that our demonic government is guilty of. No. I blame the demons pulling the levers, and that goes not just for my government, but for others too. I don’t smear all Americans as war criminals because of the acts of a few psychopaths.

    Anyways, I’m rambling, as I often do.

    Now, ZUSA has really grown totally insane and is pushing the world towards nuclear war…
    Will Russia surrender? Will China?

    It is my sincere hope that Trump will be elected president and that he will undo all the demonic things the Zionists and MIC and others have foisted all over the world. Obama was elected twice by us “depraved” Americans specifically as an anti-war president. We all knew he was an Afro-philo racist communist who hated America, but we voted for him anyways as a repudiation of the evil wars. But we were duped. Now we’re all hoping that Trump is the real deal. Certainly by the way the Zio-media are pulling their hair out is encouraging.

    Of course, that has never been the case with the US.

    you equate the actions and (demonic) character of the US government with the character of the American people, and I consider that just as erroneous as equating the actions and character of Stalin with that of the Russian people. Russia was under the thrall of the Fiend. Today we are. But the people of Russia are and were good people, even as they were slaughtering Germans, just as the people of Germany were and are good people, even as they were slaughtering Russians. And I feel the same way about all the people of the world, even as their governments are as depraved (and murderous and Satanic) as it’s possible to be.

  280. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    As for the rather silly comments about my “quarrelsome personality”, at this point, I will restrict myself to pointing out that it is irrelevant.

    You are truly and utterly impervious to reality aren’t you? For all the filth you fling around, its remarkable that you should think someone [in this case the Editor] pointing it out to you, is “irrelevant”!! Talk about cognitive dissonance.

  281. Boris says:
    @KenH

    Since there are approximately 4.96 times fewer blacks than whites you must multiply this figure by 5.67 to arrive at 28.12

    No. This is stupid. You didn’t adjust black victims for percentage of the population when whites are the attackers. You’d end up with the same rate if you do. Jeez.

    P.S. Blacks rape white women anywhere from 15-40K times annually while white men rape less than 10 black women annually, so it registers as zero in the crime statistics.

    Haha. No. I’ve run across this claim before. This is you not being able to read or understand statistics.

    • Replies: @KenH
  282. Rurik says:
    @Anymous

    married to a Mexican Jew

    well I’m glad that the whole issue of his “Jewish” wife has been laid to rest. JR was right when he said such inquiries are beyond the pale. Indeed.

    but that said, I suspect that the only reason people were thusly motivated is because there are a lot of us that are simply bewildered at what could possibly motivate Fred to go down that particular road. Any dolt with half a volt of cognitive processing power can see that building seven didn’t fall because of office fires. Duh!

    so you’re forced to wonder at how an otherwise (very) intelligent guy would go on record as a kind of dunderhead. With zero curiosity of an enormously significant event.

    If he hasn’t even looked at the footage of that building imploding, and just spews out the official offal, embarrassing himself and all the rest of us reading it, we’re simply a little bewildered, as I said. And grasping for straws as to ‘why Fred?’ Why make yourself look like a msm journalist? Like just another whore?

    I would put it down to Fred’s reluctance (for whatever reason) to have looked at the issue at all, and then having not taken the leap, so to speak, of accepting just how bad things really are, is not at long last unwilling to do so now- for many reasons, perhaps one of them being an attempt to reinforce that he has been right all along in his reluctance. By denigrating the truth movement, he is (ironically) trying to bolster his own dignity and prestige. (As if he had to)

    That’s my theory.

    • Replies: @utu
  283. Axeman says:
    @Bob Johnson

    With the documentation of the dispatch call so available to the public, it’s amazing how many people repeat the same errant time line. First of all, the 911 operator never told Zimmerman not to follow Martin, he was told “we don’t need you to do that”. Besides that we don’t live in a country where 911 dispatchers can order us to do anything, those words came after they detected that Zimmerman was walking at a brisk pace, or running, from the wind whistling by his phone mic. This prompted the dispatcher to ask “are you following him?” To which Zimmerman replied “Yeah”, and then was told “We don’t need you to do that”.

    Still, Zimmerman has always maintained that at that point he walked back to his truck, and we stop hearing the wind whistling over the phone, meaning whether or not he did, although he felt he was losing Martin to begin with, he still slackened his pace for the remainder of the call, if he pursued Martin at all after that. And while the police are arranging to meet with him at his truck, he cuts off giving his home address and says “I don’t know where the kid is”. That wrapup takes ~60 seconds. Roughly a minute that ends up with Zimmerman saying he doesn’t know where the kid is. So he slackened his pace and lost the kid, after saying “OK” when told “we don’t need you to do that”.

    [MORE]

    However, the timeline and analysis of the layout seem to support this case, better than those that “just know” that he continued to follow Martin. Star witness Jeantel testified Martin’s father expectation that he would be closer to the house than he ended up. Likely indicating events that match Zimmerman’s recounting of being ambushed on the way back to his truck, rather than catching up with Martin.

    However, given that all this has tape and official testimony to back up, the number of times I have heard “he was ordered not to leave his truck” is staggering. The wind whistles and he pants “f—ing cold” markedly before , the dispatcher says anything that can dimly be characterized as an “order” (per that standard narrative, that seems to situationally prefer a police state, and vigilante death for those who violate police state rule). And that’s after the dispatcher questions “are you running” and Zimmerman answers “yes”.

    In fact the curious state of the pro-Martin side seems to indicate both passing support for a civilian subjection to police order, and at the same time the dispensation of vigilante justice deserving somebody who “disobeys” police order. Meanwhile, the movement that has taken the symbol of Martin as a whole seems to argue, at least in part for a summary distrust of police, to the extent of disbanding the police entirely.

    Thus, containing elements of both that the police were entirely within their prerogative to restrain the right of a citizen to pursue his interests in the way he thinks, and a total distrust of the honesty and integrity of the policing structure as some arbitrary, and expendable authority. In fact, a proper combination of the two narratives would have us believe that the cops didn’t need Zimmerman to follow Martin, because they would kill that n—– when they got there. That would hardly present a case for Zimmerman not to leave his truck and comply, especially given that Zimmerman might have been more likely to witness the cops shooting Martin (we don’t need you to be a witness to what we will do), and Zimmerman had a record for accosting a police officer for a mistreatment of a black man.

    In fact, it’s even suggested that one of the reasons that young black males have more run ins with cops is because the reserve the right not to comply with a police officer

  284. Che Guava says:
    @Rurik

    I am happy to hear of your reaction to the Ilsa bs movies.

    I suspect that they were partly based on Come and See by Klimov, also strongly recommend. There is a scene where a woman SS officer sits in a truck while a masracre occurs

    I cannot be sure that the SS even had women’s units, from the much reading to back me, that was a lie.

    Still, strongly recommend both Men behind the Sun and Come and See, they are both masterpieces.

    Regards.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  285. Boris says:
    @vinteuil

    I think the evidence here is interesting, but the self-reporting nature of the NCVS makes me think that people may be describing crimes such as robbery as “hate crimes.” The methodology does attempt to mitigate this, but I’m not sure how well it works in practice. I suspect a lot of non-racially motivated crimes are defined as “hate crimes” for various reasons. It seems a lot of white people want hate crime charges made simply because an assault is interracial (and I’m sure blacks would sometimes make this same argument.)

    Now, that said, I don’t think that would necessarily account for all the discrepancy, so there may be some other biases going on. I’m skeptical of any systemic bias by persecutors not to prosecute black on white hate crimes, but I’m sure that does happen in some cases. It may be that black on white hate crimes more often fall into a gray area in terms of evidence and that prosecutors don’t think they can convict. It may be that hate crime charges are dropped in plea bargain deals. It may be that prosecutors see a black defendant as being better able to defend against hate crime charges by appealing to systemic discrimination. Not being a lawyer, I don’t know the criteria for hate crimes, and they seem to vary by jurisdiction. But if targeting is an essential element, then the perceptions of victims in the NCVS may be off considerably.

    • Replies: @Boris
    , @vinteuil
  286. Boris says:
    @Ron Unz

    Fortunately, many of the issues some commenters raised seem to have already been very effectively addressed by other commenters.

    I still haven’t seen any hard evidence for this claim:

    In fact, the evidence suggests that the overwhelming majority of all racially-motivated violent attacks in America each year are committed by blacks

  287. Boris says:
    @Boris

    Just to back up my theory that “a lot of non-racially motivated crimes are defined as hate crimes”, the NVCS contains this paragraph:

    Overall, 8% of hate crime victims
    reported to the NCVS that law
    enforcement determined the victimi-
    zation to be bias related.

    So it appears the vast, vast majority of these “hate crimes” have little evidence backing them up.

  288. hilltop says:

    Great series of articles by Mr. Unz. If I may suggest a topic where American Pravda outdid itself how about Watergate? There is plenty of material suggesting what was told the American people had nothing to do with the facts. Suggested books to cite would be Silent Coup, Watergate Call Girl and the biography of John Mitchell who’s author I can’t remember. I hope Mr. Unz writes such an article

  289. Rurik says:
    @Che Guava

    Come and See

    I just watched the ‘church scene’

    wow

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  290. No_0ne says:

    The Zebra murders were likely more widespread than just San Francisco, but their full extent was never really investigated.

    The Yahweh ben Yahweh murders in the 1980s are another example of a Black religious cult murdering random Whites. Also memory holed, of course. 16 known White victims, plus some Black members of the cult. 23 known victims total. Members were required to bring back proof of the kill– typically an ear.

    The leader of this murder cult was paroled after only 10 years in prison. He actually started out as a Black Muslim before forming his own religion (probably where he got the idea from).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh

    Or

    http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/03/the-saga-of-yahweh-ben-yahweh/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  291. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    My biggest problem with the official story is that has a very RRN feel to it…Maybe you should go visit Larry Green in Solana State prison and see if you can judge whether this person really killed people like that in cold blood just for being white.

    This is ridiculous. I’m no expert at determining via conversation whether convicted mass-murderers are lying about what they did thirty-odd years ago. And if police were good at doing that, we wouldn’t need evidence or trials.

    This whole discussion is just nuts! For the sake of argument, let’s assume Clark and the other investigators were correct and as many as 270 random whites were killed by Black Muslims in California during the early 1970s. If so, the conventional view is that it was related the Black Muslim theology that whites are “devils” who should be killed. But you suggest it was all part of an FBI plot, and the FBI got the Black Muslims to go out and kill all those whites for some reason.

    Okay. But if the FBI arranged all those killings, why did the government and the media then work so hard to totally cover them up and purge them from the historical record? Why gruesomely kill all those people if you’re then going to try to make sure no one ever found out about what happened?

    I’d say the likelihood of this “conspiracy theory” is comparable to your other one in which (I think) you argue that none of the hijacked jetliners on 9/11 ever existed and most or all the passengers were similarly fictional.

    Some people have very, very vivid imaginations…

  292. utu says:
    @Rurik

    “Mexican Jew” – I suspect this is a fantasy among Mexican peasants that has about as much truth to it as the fantasy of heaving Indian blood among some segments (mostly rednecks) of American white population.

  293. Sam Shama says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,
    Last year when I first encountered Revusky on this website, I was struck by his inexplicably quarrelsome and illogical behaviour. Reason failing after ten or so posts, I asked a psychiatrist friend to take a look a look [he conducts research on internet related personality disorders] . While insisting that I keep his name out of any communications he did take a look at Revusky’s decade long history of extreme verbal abuse and profanity – all of it hurled at detractors of his favourite conspiracies – and concluded that the man is in urgent need of medical attention.

    • Replies: @Boris
    , @Rurik
  294. vinteuil says:
    @Boris

    Boris, agreed – the methodological problems here are just nightmarish.

    Thanks for at least giving me the time of day.

  295. @Ron Unz

    Ron, I’m quite willing to answer your points systematically. However, I will only do so if you first address the questions I explicitly posed. I repeat them here:

    Okay, fine, but could you clarify a point? I made the very general point that my understanding of this time period is that, basically ALL of these anti-establishment groups, from the KKK to the black panthers and the student protest movement, were infiltrated by the FBI. The broad term for this program was Cointelpro.

    Are you saying that my claim that all these groups were infiltrated is itself false?

    Or are you saying that this is broadly true, but that the Nation of Islam specifically was not infiltrated when most other groups were? And if that is the case, is this because the FBI tried to infiltrate the NOI and failed or they simply did not try?

    So could you clarify your thinking on that?

    Now, in general, as regards the points you raise, I’ll try to answer them. But I can’t accept a debate in which I pose very specific, focused questions such as those above and the other person simply disregards them and turns around and asks me questions.

    I outlined this illegitimate tactic in my first two essays on this very site. It’s the tactic of never relinquishing the initiative. It’s not a legitimate way to debate and surely you should understand that I can’t let people (even you!) get away with it, especially after outlining it in detail, you know.

    And now, as for this, I really wish you would not do this…

    I’d say the likelihood of this “conspiracy theory” is comparable to your other one in which (I think) you argue that none of the hijacked jetliners on 9/11 ever existed and most or all the passengers were similarly fictional.

    First of all, it’s not my theory. I myself have not done any original research on 9/11. I have, however, unlike you, studied the topic quite deeply. If you had actually studied the topic yourself, which you openly admit you haven’t, you would realize that the questions regarding whether these flights really even occurred are quite legitimate questions. You’re engaging in “contempt prior to investigation”.

    And regardless, this genuinely is silly. If, for the sake of argument, I am wrong about the 9/11 planes issue, it would not constitute proof that I am wrong about an entirely separate issue.

    For example, you openly admit that you believed the patently absurd Warren Commission story on the JFK assassination for most of your life. Does that imply that anything you wrote in that entire period about entirely separate issues is therefore wrong?

  296. Sean says:

    While there was indeed relatively little in the media about the case, I think I recall watching an (obviously little-known) miniseries or TV movie about the Zebras made in the late seventies/ early eighties. I’d read about the case in in Reader Digest already. Yaphet Kotto was in it, and if I remember rightly he played a savvy black who cracked the case with his jive talking takedown of of a key suspect. The Death Angels who were acquited or never stood trial (most of them) were left alone thereafter.

  297. Boris says:
    @Sam Shama

    and concluded that the man is in urgent need of medical attention.

    This seems pretty unfair. Calling people names on the internet is often just a way of having fun or blowing off harmless steam–you vacuous, malodorous pervert!

    Sorry.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  298. Ron Unz says:
    @No_0ne

    The Yahweh ben Yahweh murders in the 1980s are another example of a Black religious cult murdering random Whites.

    That’s an excellent parallel example. I’d half-remembered those Black Hebrews randomly killing whites for religious reasons in Florida, but hadn’t realized that the numbers were as sizable as they were. Also, I think most of the whites they killed were skid-row bums or something, so the case didn’t generate as much attention at the time as ordinary whites being shot down on the streets of SF during Zebra.

    Can anyone imagine the national MSM coverage if some white cult went out and began randomly killing blacks for religious reasons, cutting off their ears as souvenirs or trophies?…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @KenH
  299. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    the man is in urgent need of medical attention.

    and defended his points (and some very acute insights) vigorously against a barrage of less than honorable attacks – that often are aimed at his character more than the substance of his articles-

    while I don’t always agree with JR, I’ve watched lots of the people who disagree with him call him a ‘Nazi and an ’88′ and a ‘Hitler sympathizer’ and a ton of other very egregious taunts and slanders and character attacks that are beyond even ‘extreme quarrelsomeness’ in the extreme. And what I would call vilification. Without ever answering JR’s valid questions. They just heap on, and pile on with zero respect for decorum.

    If JR is susceptible to that kind of thing, it only encourages the worst of them.

    From my experiences with the man, you can disagree with him all day, and he’ll remain respectful, but if you respond to him with sneering invective, he’ll likely return the favor.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  300. Sean says:
    @Melchizidek

    The lady in question was 5 ft tall with large breasts, which Till had been talking about in crude terms with his cousins outside after they had been in earlier. He towered over her. She told an FBI agent that she’d thought Till was an adult male, not a boy. Till had come back in and went behind the counter, blocked her way grabbed her wrist and held her around the waist and simulated sex. His cousins, who had dared him to go back in and prove his boasts on what he got up to with white girls in Chicago were not present during the incident, but an old black came out quickly and told them “You’ve got a crazy cousin”.

    The woman then went to her car, which the boys correctly suspected was her going to retreive a gun. Till and his cousins were advised to leave immediately, but he leaned out the car and loudly called her baby. She tried to keep it a secret, but lots of people had heard the shout of Till.

    Till’s behaviour towards a married woman would have been risking a severe beating in any black area. He looked like a man, and acted like a jackass. He was also too tough for his own good because the husband and brother of the woman had been told of the incident by local blacks a few day later (almost uniformly they disliked the arrogant Till). He was in line for a severe beating, what the men agreed on would be a fitting punishment but they couldn’t breack him and he refused to apologise or even admit he was in the wrong, and that failure to be contrite when it was called for is what got him killed.

  301. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    He also emphasized whites and particularly Jews as infidels and oppressors

    The instant case is arguably the most violent case ever tried in a federal court: the indictment charges the sixteen defendants on trial with 14 murders by means such as beheading, stabbing, occasionally by pistol shots, plus severing of body parts such as ears to prove the worthiness of the killer. They were also charged with arson of a slumbering neighborhood using molotov cocktails. The perpetrators were ordered to wait outside the innocent victims’ homes wearing ski masks and brandishing machetes to deter the victims from fleeing the flames.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh

    I remember reading something about why he wanted his minions to cut the heads off, because of how hard it was to make sure a person was really dead, but if you cut the head off, you could be certain.

  302. Great article!

    I have one criticism: you should have posted a link to the original Post and Courier article about Brittanee Drexel (http://www.postandcourier.com/20160826/160829517/fbi-agent-missing-teen-brittanee-drexel-was-kidnapped-shot-and-dumped-in-alligator-pit) rather than the Daily Mail version.

    Often, the Daily Mail re-publishes (i.e., mostly plagiarizes and adds inaccuracies) stories from local news outlets without adding anything of relevance or substance. Perhaps since it is a well-known platform it is good for raising awareness, but I know a local reporter whose months of work were ripped off by the Daily Mail. You’re in the habit of giving proper credit to people who have done good reporting, and I hope you continue.

  303. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    [but if you respond to him with sneering invective, he’ll likely return the favor.]

    You’ve got it wrong, go into the archives and there you’ll find all it takes for him to unleash extreme profanity and obscene language – “shit-eater” is mild, how about “ass-licking whore”, which he aimed at Fred Reed and Fred wasn’t engaged in any one- on-one discussion with him at all! m*f*cker, etc, well you know… – is a simple disagreement with any of his zealously held views. In fact he openly proclaims it as a policy tool against detractors. I think I can safely say that I am overwhelmingly civil, but responded in kind after incessant barrages from the patient under diagnosis. Only Talha I believe has managed to remain unbroken in his Sufi resolve!

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  304. Boris says:
    @Sean

    He was in line for a severe beating…they couldn’t breack him and he refused to apologise or even admit he was in the wrong, and that failure to be contrite when it was called for is what got him killed.

    White racists like this guy complain about black violence, but then obviously condone violence of all sorts when it fits their warped worldview. For all the talk about blacks being uncontrollably violent and this being a consequence of their genetics, “race realists” forget that whites imposed a centuries-long system of violence and control on people of African descent on this continent. Somehow that never makes it into these “genetic” appraisals. Anyone acquainted with a third grader’s knowledge of history can see that the “blacks are the most violent race” argument is complete bullshit.

    Thank you, Sean, for illustrating this for us.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @iffen
  305. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    which he aimed at Fred Reed

    I don’t think he called him that directly, he said that indirectly if I recall

    and please make no mistake, I’m the first one to say JR can perhaps be a little too intemperate, (something I myself have been guilty of)

    I just wanted to point out that there is often the use of pernicious smears from some quarters – for ideas and arguments that some people don’t like. They use ad hominems in lieu of reason when they have no reason at their disposal.

    in all, I think this line of advise and consent was constructive on the whole

    and we could all use a little of that man’s Sufi Zen mudra

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  306. Whoever says:
    @Sean

    He looked like a man, but acted like a jackass.

    A fitting tombstone inscription for any number of fools.

  307. Rurik says:
    @Boris

    “blacks are the most violent race” argument is complete bullshit.

    there is zero differences between the races

    all races are exactly the same in every way except for a few superficial differences in skin hue, etc..

    this is prima facia obvious

    but then one wonders.. why are the brown Arabs in Palestine treated differently than the white Russian Jews who immigrate there..

    why did my government just pledge 40 billion dollars of weapons to be used on the Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere in defense of a super-racist regime that treats the Arabs as if they were an inferior race? And less deserving of America’s largess than the Jews who oppress them?

    Isn’t that a curious phenomena Boris? Doesn’t it smack of racism?

    • Replies: @Boris
    , @Anonymous Smith
  308. Boris says:
    @Sean

    an old black came out quickly and told them “You’ve got a crazy cousin”.

    Just to be clear which side retelling the Emmet Till story is really “Pravda,” Sean’s whitewashing (intended) of the cowardly Till murder cuts off this quote so it doesn’t spoil the fairy tale that Emmet Till groped a tiny, helpless white woman:

    And, the next thing I know, one of the boys came up to me and say, uh, “Say, man, you got a crazy cousin, he just went in there and said bye to that white woman.” And that’s when, um, this man I was playing checkers with, this older man, I guess he must’ve been around bout sixty or seventy, he jumped straight up and said, “Boy,” say, “y’all better get out of here,” he say, “that lady’ll come out of that store and blow your brains out‚”

    http://digital.wustl.edu/e/eop/eopweb/jon0015.0234.053curtisjones.html

    Whit supremacist disinformation abounds when it comes to cases like this. Try not to step in it.

    • Replies: @Sean
  309. iffen says:
    @Boris

    whites imposed a centuries-long system of violence

    But this was for profit, not for fun and profit, or just fun.

  310. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s not hard to predict. The media, including FOX, along with ADL, SPLC, NAAP and the entire anti-white and grievance industry would go totally mental. All white people would be made to share the blame. And the cities would burn for weeks.

    But deafening silence when whites are victims of racial violence.

  311. KenH says:
    @Boris

    It’s obvious you struggle with calculating disproportionate crime percentages and don’t even know how to read FBI crime reports so I’ll let you wallow in your ignorance.

  312. BD says:

    Thank you Ron for the great article.
    Back in the early 1970s I graduated from a small Midwestern high school, packed my bags, and moved to San Francisco. Although I didn’t know it at the time, a classmate and acquaintance had made the same move. He was a both a football and basketball star and an aspiring filmmaker.Around this time the racial temperature and mysterious killings were really heating up in the Bay Area. The media covered them, yes…but there was a very real reluctance to examine the motivation and racial intent behind them. They just…did…not…want to go there.
    My friend was last seen hitch hiking away from a concert at Winterland(a music club). Three black guys picked him up. The next day his slashed and mutilated body was found a few miles away in Golden Gate Park. It got a one time mention in the San Francisco Chronical and that was about it. Later, the Zebra case got more or less solved and he was included as one of the victims. The guys had confessed to his murder (among others). They were convicted and sentenced and sent to prison. Still there? I don’t know.
    Back home it was a very big deal…front page news. A popular home town boy, an only child , murdered out there in crazy California. Why? Probably hippies or something. My father called and asked if he was a drug dealer. The race angle wasn’t mentioned. It hadn’t gone down a memory hole…it was never even brought up. Crickets. Silence.
    Thirty years later at a class reunion I got talking with some of our mutual friends and classmates. I explained the whole Zebra thing to them. They were completely dumbfounded. They had not heard one word about this. The story did not exist.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  313. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik it’s nice of you to defend Jonathan. I would too under ordinary circumstances, but I fear he is in need of a thorough attitude revision.

    There was no ‘indirectly’ about his attack on Fred:

    http://www.unz.com/freed/legion-of-the-tinfoil-hat/#comment-1573570

    I don’t think we should pull any punches with this guy. A guy like this is an unprincipled traitorous scumbag and I think we have to call it out. I have no intention of biting my tongue in any discussion regarding this kind of ass-licking whore.

    http://www.unz.com/freed/legion-of-the-tinfoil-hat/#comment-1577968

    I do regret calling him an “ass-licking whore” though. That is rather unfair to professional sex workers who provide such services. If any such honest working girls happen to be reading this by some chance, I do apologize. Dear ladies, I didn’t really mean to compare you to this Fred Reed lowlife.

    Yes, we could do with a bit of Talha’s Zen :-)

    • Replies: @Rurik
  314. Boris says:

    JR’s apology to prostitutes was rather sweet.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  315. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    Yes, a whole lot of Israelis are racist. There are a lot of racist Arabs, too. And 100% of the Ruriks I know.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  316. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    There was no ‘indirectly’ about his attack on Fred:

    sort of, it wasn’t like they were having an exchange and he said ‘well Fred, I think you’re an &%$#@

    we was talking about him in the third person

    but just consider Sam, just consider..

    what if JR believes that Fred is knowingly being a shill for the people responsible for 911

    with all that implies

    what would you call a person who is an apologist for the cowardly murderers who butchered all those people on that terrible day?

    would calling them an ‘ass-licking whore’ even be sufficient?

    if I was convinced that Mr. Reed knew that it was elements in the Israeli and US governments and media who perpetrated that attack and then used it to murder and main and displace tens of millions of people.. I too would use rather harsh language. Indeed, I’d like to see such a person tried, convinced and then shot like a rabid, mangy dog. Or even better, strung up by the neck until they danced their last rotten, lying breath.

    But I certainly know no such thing about Fred. Hardly. Indeed, I do know a very lot of people who are just as deluded as Fred seems to be. And I’m very fond of many of them. So there’s a conundrum when it comes to issues like this. IF Fred was acting as a psy-ops, dis-info agent for the murderers and traitors who did that, (and the subsequent horrors that 911 was intended to foist upon the world), then I too would see Fred in a completely different light. And would consider JR’s characterization as far too kind. It has everything to do with what’s in Fred’s heart. And it’s impossible to know that.

    But the point is, if you look at it from JR’s perspective, his wrath is actually rather kind and generous.

  317. @Rurik

    Holy smokes, Rurik, you wrote:”there is zero differences between the races…all races are exactly the same in every way except for a few superficial differences in skin hue, etc..

    this is prima facia obvious”

    HAHAHA! No, it’s not at all obvious! What IS obvious, to anyone who has eyes, is that predominately white countries are far more advanced, and, in fact, are far better in every conceivable way, than black nations. This fact is undeniable and readily observable. But, if you want to apply the scientific method to it, read the book “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” and see for yourself.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/a-few-thoughts-on-iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations

    Although I can’t find it now, I read an article some years ago about the Chinese company, BGI, and their Cognitive Genomics project to study a number of Asian and White European geniuses to see if they could discover the genetic origins of intelligence. When asked why they wouldn’t be including Negros in their study, a BGI scientist replied “because blacks are violent animals.”

    Take that with a grain of salt, but, from the reports that I’ve seen on the interwebs blacks are far more violent than whites are…I think the government statistics bare that out as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEbta5E_jqlZmEJsriTEtnw

    • Replies: @Rurik
  318. Rurik says:
    @Boris

    And 100% of the Ruriks I know.

  319. @Sam Shama

    You’ve got it wrong, go into the archives and there you’ll find all it takes

    Shama, this, of course, is a bluff. Anybody who does look into the archives of this site and compares my record here to yours will see that I am a person of substance who debates honestly and you are just a pathetic troll.

    I cannot recall you ever making any worthwhile contribution to any discussion here. You have a toxic combination of dishonesty, stupidity and outrageous self-regard. My honest impression is that just about every good-faithed regular participant here has come to despise you. The only person that I can think of who is probably more universally despised than you is the person whose handle is “Wizard of Oz”.

    Your interlocutor, Rurik, may be an exception, since Rurik seems to be a reincarnation of Will Rogers, who famously said: “I never met a man I didn’t like.” Though, that said, I suspect that Will Rogers would have made an exception for you.

    You have a habit of showing up to serious discussion and just defecating on them. In particular, you started writing insulting, insolent comments under my second article on this site. And then later, you had to tacitly admit that you had never even read the article!

    This became quite clear at this point: http://www.unz.com/article/a-framework-for-reclaiming-reality/#comment-1432870

    Even before this point, you would show up in threads in which I participated and just interject stuff like “Taken your meds, Revusky?” and garbage like that. Here, you are representing that you are some kind of innocent victim of the evil ogre, Revusky, and everybody who observed this knows that that is ridiculous. Any time I told you off, you had been provoking me something awful. Just look at the second article I wrote and look at the way you behaved, the content-free jeers you wrote and then finally having to admit that you had never read the article!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  320. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous Smith

    sorry here Mr. Smith,

    I’m still wiping away tears after the cruel drubbing I just received by one of the posters here

    (do you know what it’s like to sob so uncontrollably that your chest literally hurts?)

    I was sort of being facetious ;)

    I believe we’re all equal in the eyes of God and should be in the eyes of the law, but we also have varying gifts and proclivities, etc..

    no race is better than another, but our media masters cynically use our subtle differences to set us at each other’s throats, IMHO

  321. @Boris

    JR’s apology to prostitutes was rather sweet.

    Ah, yes, that…. http://www.unz.com/freed/legion-of-the-tinfoil-hat/#comment-1576663

    Thank you, Boris. I was actually quite proud of that. It shows that, despite your evident faults, you at least have an appreciation for true artistry.

  322. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Anybody who does look into the archives of this site and compares my record here to yours will see that I am a person of substance

    Yes, substance certainly, a question only arises of what elemental composition….

    I cannot recall you ever making any worthwhile contribution to any discussion here.

    Perhaps so; I will only note that my impression of the totality of your contribution is a great deal more concordant with that expressed by the Editor, than any held in your own troubled mind.

    In particular, you started writing insulting, insolent comments under my second article on this site. And then later, you had to tacitly admit that you had never even read the article!

    On the contrary, in (http://www.unz.com/article/a-framework-for-reclaiming-reality/#comment-1432870 ] I wrote in earnest, or rather condensed in a paragraph, your output ["thesis"?] which consumed far too many pixels. More to the point, one doesn’t need to wade knee deep into putrid organic matter when a mere whiff strongly counsels avoidance.

    “Taken your meds, Revusky?” and garbage like that. Here, you are representing that you are some kind of innocent victim of the evil ogre, Revusky, and everybody who observed this knows that that is ridiculous. Any time I told you off, you had been provoking me something awful. Just look at the second article I wrote and look at the way you behaved, the content-free jeers you wrote and then finally having to admit that you had never read the article!

    Well have you? and on an empty stomach as recommended?

    You are not an ogre JR, and your “writing” does not warrant deep analytical commentary, only much laughter followed by serious advocacy for remedial intervention.

  323. Trelane says:

    Exceptional essay by an extraordinary intellectual.

  324. Svigor says:

    I’m not even going to try to load the page with JS enabled and try to edit, anymore:

    I usually love Unz’s articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material. While you are right about michael brown robbing the store owner, nothing suggests trayvon martin was in the wrong for attacking Zimmerman. Imagine being stalked, walking home from a grocery store, by a creepy, violent, armed man.

    Imagine being the sort of nut who thinks he can know that a complete stranger is “creepy,” and “violent,” and that this “knowledge” justifies assaulting him.

    I suppose blacks can imagine it. But civilized humans can’t. Blacks think everything’s a justification for violence. Civilized humans don’t. Blacks shoehorn violence into their behavior all the time, because they’re a violent race.

    By following martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, Zimmerman was the aggressor.

    “911″ doesn’t get to tell people what to do. And in this case, “911″ actually did not tell Zimmerman what to do. So, you’re wrong twice over.

    The world is better off without Trayvon in it.

    In fact, there’s nothing more useful than a Jew with proper ideals – because unlike Whites they can’t be disregarded by liberals and their far-fetched Holocaust-associations

    Jew creates problem that he provides solution to (for profit), dumb goy praises him for it, news at 11.

  325. Che Guava says:
    @Rurik

    You must watch the whole. It is a masterpiece.

    Men behind the Sun (I don’t know if it is the right title in English) is on a much smaller scale, but as I said, is in agreement with documents on 741 that I have read.

    I am sure that there is a version with English subtitles.

    741 alumni were involved in a bio-poison attack at a bank in the late ’40s, also in coordinating a blood-bank system that passed AIDs to many people in the eighties and early nineties.

    I am pretty sure that the former was intentional and the latter just stupidity, but the connection is interesting.

    Never forget that the US of A granted all of them immumity from war-crimes trials because they were so useful for the US of A’s own biological weapons, they certainly used attacks devised by 741 alumni on the north of Korea, and in parts of China at the time.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  326. @Sean

    Not having studied the matter much, I’ll leave the contested specifics aside.

    Unfortunately you seem to be going beyond contributing additional information and colour and instead wish to somehow extenuate and excuse the wickedness of what was done.

    There’s nothing that kid did to that lady that comes close to justifying the torture and brutal murder. Contrition or not.

    Their vigilante murder was atrocious. Those white men should have been hung. Period.

    I very much doubt the kid wasn’t scared witless and begged for his life.

  327. Che Guava says:

    For Ron and fellow commenters, the link to Jim Goad’s fact-filled article about how black serial killers are subject to discrimination due to not getting the same recognition as serial killers of other races is below.

    http://takimag.com/article/affirmative_action_for_black_serial_killers_jim_goad#axzz4KzOhfce6

    I note that, while having previously having written about the Zebra murders (really a kind of serial serial killing spree), Goad has no need to bring them into his article to make his case (not intended as a crit. of this article, just that it says much about the USA, and particularly its stupefying and stupid mainstream media).

  328. Sean says:
    @Boris

    There is no agreement about what happened in the store, or who witnessed it. No other whites were there. The other woman working in the store (her sister in law) had went into the back and didn’t see. She suggested, and a black girl who said she was there insisted, thatthe woman made everything up, and nothing untoward happened. But several people saw her go to her car for a gun so something seems to have happened

    It is fairly well attested that as Till was being driven away he leaned out the car and shouted “Bye baby” at her; many people witnessed it so the crucial ‘ bye’ didn’t come in the store but later, because the woman could have kept whatever happened in the store quiet if Till had not publicly yelled at her in what would now be called sexual harassment.

    Incidentally, women are entitled to got to work without being the subject of humiliating unwanted advances or lascivious remarks. If you sexually bully other men’s wives you probably are going to get badly hurt in short order. Even if the woman had not objected, there is still the unwritten law.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Boris
  329. @BD

    The so-called Zebra killings began on October 20, 1973. The last was on April 16, 1974, a period of 179 days. These are the 15 white San Francisco victims from Clark Howard’s 1979 book:

    Quita Hague, hacked to death
    Frances Rose, face blown apart by shotgun
    Saleem Erakat, tied up and executed
    Paul Dancik, shot at a public telephine
    Marietta DiGirolamo, thrown in a doorway and shot dead
    Illario Bertucio, age 81, shot in the back of the head on the street
    Neal Moynihan. shot taking a teddy beat to little sister
    Mildred Hosler, walking to a bus stop
    John Doe No. 169, kidnapped, tortured, butchered, decapitated
    Tana Smith, murdered on way to buy blouse material
    Vincent Wollin, murdered on his sixty-ninth birthday
    John Bambic, murdered while rummaging in a trash bin
    Jane Holly, murdered in a public Laundromat
    Thomas Rainwater, shot on the street as he walked to a market
    Nelson Shields IV (a Dupont heir), shot three times in the back while straightening out his station wagon

    There were others wounded who survived. One was Art Agnos, who had his insides ripped by bullets. He was later Mayor of San Francisco. Roxanne McMillian survived paralyzed from the waist down.

  330. @Ron Unz

    This is ridiculous.

    I’ve been thinking about this for the last day or so and I cannot figure out what is “ridiculous” about the idea of actually talking to people who were involved in the incident.

    Like, if, contrary to fact, Lee Harvey Oswald was still alive and sitting in a prison cell for the last 50-odd years, protesting his innocence the whole time, you are suggesting, I guess, that it would be “ridiculous” to want to go talk to the person and get his version of events.

    Ridiculous idea… Self-evidently absurd…

    I’m no expert at determining via conversation whether convicted mass-murderers are lying about what they did thirty-odd years ago.

    Hmm, well, I never said that you were. I’m not either certainly. However, you apparently are an expert in figuring out for sure whether somebody who wrote a book is telling the truth or not?

    I mean, if somebody wrote a new book on the topic, they would presumably go interview these people and then report what they found out or believed. And you would read the book and get the information second-hand, and in that case, you would somehow be able to judge the veracity… I’m trying to get my head around the argument you are making… it’s very strange to me…

    But, okay, it is correct that if Larry Green gave you his version of events, you would perhaps not be able to know whether it is truthful or not.

    BUT…. at least you would know what his version of events is! Currently, you don’t even know what it is. So it would result in you knowing something that you do not currently know.

    And if police were good at doing that, we wouldn’t need evidence or trials.

    I can’t understand your point. I never said there was no need for evidence or trials, did I? I would say, however, that there is a clear history of innocent people having been convicted of crimes and later being exonerated by DNA evidence. The fact that somebody is convicted of a crime is not 100.0% proof that the person did it. That is pretty clear.

    As for the rest of it, I never claimed that I knew for sure what had happened. My honest sense of things is that once you have some case where the FBI is neck deep in it and Cointelpro and all that, it is probably naive to simply assume that the received version of what happened must be truthful. It might be, but it also might not.

    If so, the conventional view is that it was related the Black Muslim theology that whites are “devils” who should be killed.

    Well, yeah, I know that’s the conventional view, but I don’t know why you find it that convincing. I mean, part of it is that you do not personally know any Black Muslims. For example, the Torah, I think in the book of Leviticus, says that if you encounter a man lying with a man, you should smite them. If I said that some Orthodox Jews, who believe that the Torah comes from God, were going around in the park catching gays in flagranti and smiting them, how credible would such a narrative be to you?

    Not just orthodox Jews. All the Christian fundamentalists think this comes from God. How often do any of them do that?

    and the FBI got the Black Muslims to go out and kill all those whites for some reason.

    Well, I never said that. Maybe some common criminals committed the crimes and they later framed the black Muslims, and then they claimed that the Black Muslims did it on account of these religious beliefs. But I don’t know if that is what happened at all!

    You’re stating certainty of what happened and I am saying I dunno, and your position is that I always must demonstrate something to you. In general, I’m trying to figure out what your epistemological approach is. How are you so sure that you know? A lot of your argumentation lately seems to be stuff like “You’re obviously nuts, Revusky” and…. that ain’t much of an argument, you know.

    • Replies: @iffen
  331. Rurik says:
    @Sean

    If you sexually bully other men’s wives you probably are going to get badly hurt in short order.

    not just wives and not just sexually

    I remember a story I read that stuck with me for a time. It had to do with gun control and the absolute necessity of disarming a population before you’re able to create a perfect police state, (like they have in Palestine for instance or what they’d obviously like to have here)

    Anyways the anecdote was that this guy was in Iraq, (a journalist or something) and he was watching as an American soldier had accosted and began berating and humiliating an elderly Iraqi women. I don’t remember the exact details but if I recall at some point he even struck her. Well then what happened next is that an Iraq man, perhaps a relative or perhaps a neighbor or perhaps a complete stranger, who knows.. anyways he walked straight up to the American occupation solder and shot him dead right on the spot.

    Now I’m an American, so it’s with reservations that I say I was glad that the soldier got shot. Based on the story, and what appeared to be a uniformed thug who got off on humiliating helpless people. Especially a harmless (if spunky) old women.

    When it comes to protecting the dignity of your womenfolk from (especially foreign) subhuman animals on two legs that get off on disrespecting them, I’m all for deadly and righteous justice.

    another instance perhaps closer to the story at hand is from a short video clip from France, where a young women is simply walking along, minding her own business, when a sub-human demands her phone number, when she doesn’t give it, the sub-human slaps her across the face

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=737_1343775329

    now if a Frenchman happened to be standing there, and if he knew the gal or even didn’t, and decided to put a few well placed bullet holes in that baboon, I can’t imagine anyone who would complain, except perhaps some of the other baboons, like the ones in the video.

    And it doesn’t have to do with race, except when the animals from a different race/tribe are specifically targeting the women of your of your race or tribe, like they did in Rotherham, England and do all over the place.

    Anyone who says we should all learn to just be more tolerate of these immigrants and their ways, well.. perhaps we need lots of bullets today to solve our problems.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  332. @David In TN

    Larry Green, one of the San Francisco killers, had these books and pamphlets in his car when arrested.

    Was this used in court as evidence that he had committed a mass murder?

    Clark Howard had discovered NOI leaders were behind the killings in extensive interviews for his 1979 book.

    Who did he interview that told him this? The NOI leaders themselves did not say they were behind the killings surely….

  333. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Don’t do it, don’t. (Yes, little voice I hear you, but)

    what is “ridiculous” about the idea of actually talking to people who were involved in the incident

    People directly involved have vested interests. James Earl Ray survived for many years and provided a steady stream of “information.” How did that help us sort through the event?

    This was not the reason for my comment; the following is:

    I agree with your position that we should assume that the FBI or other authorities had infiltrated the NOI. I think that it can be established that similar groups were infiltrated, so it is reasonable to assume that the NOI was as well. If your position is that it was not; it seems that the greater burden of proving that would be on you.

    If that doesn’t cheer you up, I have something else for you. I am on the wagon as to ad hominem language. One of my favorites, which I may never get to use again is, “You are a lying asshole and your nickname is shit.” Feel free to use it if you like it.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  334. “Was this used in court as evidence that he had committed a mass murder?”

    Yes, it was, during cross examination of Larry Green as a matter of fact.

    “Who did he interview who told him this?”

    Clark Howard found some people who had attended loft meetings at Mosque # 26. Howard also interviewed two of the convicted killers in prison. They claimed to be innocent, but let a few things slip. Also law enforcement officials investigating the case “told him this.”

    And Larry Pratt’s statement to the parole board, I referenced above from Thomas Peele’s book, which you are obviously too stupid to process mentally.

    Green was identified by Richard Hague as hacking his wife Quita to death with a machete. Richard was also cut up and left for dead but survived.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  335. Rurik says:
    @Che Guava

    You must watch the whole. It is a masterpiece.

    it looks extremely well done, but I confess I find it disturbing in a way- that’s beyond the obvious

    I’d like the world to move beyond all that madness. (and that’s what I consider that period to have been; mass insanity. The demons from the human id unleashed)

    A movie like that only reminds us all how to hate, and creates a cartoon-like version of that horrible time with one side portrayed as pure evil and the other side as pure victim, and I just don’t see the world wars that way. I see evil and victimhood on both sides Che.

    Watching that church scene, there was another such incident, that I wish they’d make a cinematic masterpiece about, and that was the burning alive of innocent people inside a church compound in Waco, TX a few years ago. The reason I wish they’d make a movie about that one is because the two people who were in the White House during those mass-murders are trying to get back in the White House. And unlike the belligerents during WWII, (who’re all dead and buried) these mass-murdering fiends are still seeking power, and are still guilty of that unspeakable atrocity.

    I wish they’d make a masterpiece about that one, showing the desperate and horrified people trying to escape the flames into machine gun fire at the only exit. (that’s what happened)

    I’d like to see the people of Germany and Russia, Italy and France and England and all the other victims of those bankers’ wars- forgive each other and move on. The Russians and the Germans suffered so terribly that I can not even comprehend it. And I don’t care to dwell on the exact percentage of culpability of Hitler vs. Stalin vs. Churchill vs. Roosevelt. Bloodstained scumbags all. {may they rot in hell}

    but I may just roust up the will to watch the movie. It does look like quite a drama

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  336. @iffen

    what is “ridiculous” about the idea of actually talking to people who were involved in the incident

    People directly involved have vested interests

    Uhh, true… and therefore it is self-evidently “ridiculous” to talk to them and get their version of the story.

    Sorry, THX-1138…. does not compute, does not compute….

    James Earl Ray survived for many years and provided a steady stream of “information.” How did that help us sort through the event?

    Well, that’s a big question that’s too big a topic to get into. The problem is that the overall argument that Ron seems to be making must be fallacious. For example, what if you argued that it is “ridiculous” for somebody exploring for oil to drill a hole in the ground because he might not find anything.

    Just as somebody exploring for oil might drill a lot of holes and not find anything, somebody trying to get at the truth might interview a lot of people and not get useful information out of it. The problem is that you don’t know a priori whether you will or not!

    So, let’s get this straight. I am inferring that you also do not agree with Ron, that the idea of talking with Larry Green is self-evidently ridiculous. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Also, it is not self-evidently ridulous to talk to the prison chaplain who knew Green for many years and was convinced of his innocence.

    If it is such a ridiculous idea, what precisely is “ridiculous” about it?

    so it is reasonable to assume that the NOI was as well. If your position is that it was not; it seems that the greater burden of proving that would be on you.

    Ok, thanks. Are you the first person so far in this entire discussion to recognize that I might actually have a point? And its you of all these? Well, life is full of surprises.

    Anyway, the problem is that if you acknowledge my point, well…. it does lead certain places logically, doesn’t it?

    I mean, if the NOI was infiltrated, and any meetings had FBI informants there, and all their phones were tapped and so forth, then how did they mount this conspiracy (yes, conspiracy!) over a period of half a year or so without the FBI knowing about it?

    But, perhaps more basically, if the NOI was infiltrated by the FBI and the FBI is claiming they were not, that means the FBI is lying. (The FBI lying is kind of like bears shitting in the woods…) And if they are lying about that, what else are they possibly lying about?

  337. @David In TN

    And Larry Pratt’s statement to the parole board, I referenced above from Thomas Peele’s book, which you are obviously too stupid to process mentally.

    Well, he might be saying what he thinks the parole board wants to hear in order to get out on parole.

    But, as for me being so obviously stupid, I try to be reasonable with people. To me, this notion that somebody having whatever literature in their car is proof that they killed somebody… to me, this is not a sign of high intelligence. Anybody can have a pamphlet in their car.

    Green was identified by Richard Hague as hacking his wife Quita to death with a machete. Richard was also cut up and left for dead but survived.

    Well, that obviously is of real evidentiary value, unlike the pamphlets found in his car. Still, I am aware of all of these cases where people were later exonerated by DNA evidence. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in a large number of cases somebody did a positive visual ID on the person.

    • Replies: @iffen
  338. Marie says:

    Ron, thank you for another superb piece – but I would have to seriously disagree with your statement that “communism never came to America in serious form”. Of course no one was physically sent to, say, an Idaho gulag (or given the notorious Soviet diagnosis of ‘sluggish schizophrenia’ as pretext for lifelong mental hospital incarceration), but numerous books have been written (by M. Stanton Evans, John Earl Haynes, Harvey Klehr and Diana West among others) detailing the mind-boggling scale of Soviet penetration and espionage that occurred within American government and the overall culture/larger society.

    Incidentally, a very compelling argument can be made re: the evil Frankfurt School’s intellectual genesis in the overall spawning of the nation’s current politically-correct nightmarish hysteria. The rejection of Western objective thought as the tainted product of white privilege (and subsequent substitution of postmodern ‘critical theory’) is dooming the entire country.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  339. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, he might be saying what he thinks the parole board wants to hear in order to get out on parole.

    This is likely true. People up for parole “have to” express remorse and contrition. Even if you are innocent, and you want parole, you have to genuflect and bend your knee.

    So, let’s get this straight. I am inferring that you also do not agree with Ron, that the idea of talking with Larry Green is self-evidently ridiculous. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    It is not self-evidently ridiculous. I would remain skeptical of information from anyone with a vested interest.

    I understand that definitive answers are not and will not be forthcoming for many of the events that are debated here at UR. Many of these events transpired many years ago and there are layers of information and mis-information out there. I am very skeptical of “complete and final” explanations.

    My reasoning is along the lines of:

    We can’t be certain if the military and security agencies sabotaged the recent Syrian ceasefire or not. How can we go back decades and “prove” something one way or the other for these events when we can’t even do that for something that happened last week?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  340. GusHall says:

    The KKK has become the “Goldstein” of Orwell’s “1984″. A fictitious straw-man on which to vent one’s rage.

  341. Boris says:
    @Sean

    If you sexually bully other men’s wives you probably are going to get badly hurt in short order. Even if the woman had not objected, there is still the unwritten law.

    Till’s murder was not just about any perceived slight, but about white dominance and black obedience. Yelling “bye, baby,” is hardly sexual bullying, and is certainly unworthy of a violent response.

    But it sounds like you’re saying that white people are prone to violence with very little provocation. I think we should keep an eye on them.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @Sean
  342. @Boris

    “But it sounds like you’re saying that white people are prone to violence with very little provocation. I think we should keep an eye on them.”

    Oh, do you mean like one Rayquan Borum who shot and killed a fellow black man at the Charlotte Black Lives Matter protest? Wonder what the provocation was?

    • Replies: @Boris
  343. Boris says:
    @David In TN

    I don’t know, but I’m not going to write up a post excusing it the way people are doing with Till’s kidnappers and murderers.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  344. Sean says:
    @Boris

    Again, the white woman in question did not tell, it was local blacks who told her husband, because they disliked his arrogance. Please don’t suggest the deliberate public jeer and insult to her guy (“bye baby”) which you admit Till did, would not run a real risk of provoking a punitive response from a black husband or boyfriend. Many ghetto shootings death have come from less. An angry man, black or white, who is demanding an apology at gunpoint is a very dangerous man to laugh at.

  345. @iffen

    This is likely true. People up for parole “have to” express remorse and contrition. Even if you are innocent, and you want parole, you have to genuflect and bend your knee.

    Yeah, I think that, in that vein, it is somewhat interesting to note that Green, another convicted “Zebra” murderer, insists vehemently that he is innocent right to this day. He apparently doesn’t “genuflect”. Also his prison chaplain, his spiritual adviser of 13 years, apparently attests that he is convinced that Green was framed.

    NB. I’m certainly not claiming to know for sure. What fascinates me, I guess, is that so many people, including Ron Unz, do claim to know for sure.

    It is not self-evidently ridiculous.

    Wow! Agreeing with me some more! I have to say that I’m kind of confused. In my previous interactions with you,about 4 months ago I think, “iffen”, you were utterly unreasonable and aggressive. If I had said the grass was green you would have answered that I was saying such crazy things because I love Adolf Hitler.

    And here you are, actually seeming to consider what I’m saying, and even agreeing with me. Is this because you have to, once in a while, make a show of being a reasonable person? Because if you were always so unreasonable, the “iffen” character would totally lose credibility?

    Or could you have genuinely changed in that time period? (That is a rather far-out theory because, as a general rule, people do not change…) Or… hold on, is this actually the same person I am interacting with or just the same handle? How can one know? I mean, I don’t want to fan a flame out of the cinders, really I don’t, but I just have this sudden doubt as to whether I am interacting with the same person, who was just so outrageously snotty and insolent a mere 4 months ago or so. Oh well, just thinking out loud… never mind…

    I would remain skeptical of information from anyone with a vested interest.

    Well, I never said not to be skeptical. I just was examining Ron Unz’s claim that interviewing an actual participant in the events was a self-evidently “ridiculous” thing to do.

    Many of these events transpired many years ago and there are layers of information and mis-information out there. I am very skeptical of “complete and final” explanations.

    Wow! Again, you actually are sounding like a thoughtful, reasonable person.

    In my case, I have come to the realization over the last decade or so, really a bit less, that so many things I was taught about history as totally certain facts, are not really true. So that was a very humbling experience and, to a large extent, was what my first essay on this site was about.

    So I see people expressing such certainty as to what happened in this incident of 42 years ago and it raises warning bells.

    I was googling around a bit today about this subject and there are strong signs that the Nation of Islam was infiltrated by Deep State operatives already in the sixties. I just see a big massive problem with the whole Zebra murders narrative if the NOI was under this level of surveillance. If the whole organization was infested with FBI informants, and their phones were tapped, and their offices bugged, and so on, how could they conspire to kill random white people over so long a period without the authorities knowing about it?

    Do you think that is an unreasonable question to pose?

    • Replies: @iffen
  346. @Rurik

    Anyone who says we should all learn to just be more tolerate of these immigrants and their ways, well.. perhaps we need lots of bullets today to solve our problems.

    Well, on the other hand, one has to be cautious. Consider, for example:

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    What language would you use to describe that female?

  347. @Boris

    Have you seen me make a post excusing Till’s murder? At the time, it was almost universally condemned in the South.

    By contrast, a reporter for the San Francisco Examiner interviewed numerous black San Francisco residents at the height of the Zebra killings. In his book on the case, Clark Howard wrote:

    “It was curious that none of the blacks interviewed took the occasion to condemn the unknown street killers or expressed sympathy for the victims.”

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
  348. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    In my previous interactions with you,about 4 months ago I think, “iffen”, you were utterly unreasonable and aggressive.

    No, that was you that was unreasonable and aggressive. :)

    You make a lot more sense in your comments.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  349. @David In TN

    IIRC the Southern jury acquitted the perps.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  350. @jimmyriddle

    And the verdict was disliked, like certain other verdicts I could name.

  351. @Marie

    Incidentally, a very compelling argument can be made re: the evil Frankfurt School’s intellectual genesis in the overall spawning of the nation’s current politically-correct nightmarish hysteria.

    Can you provide sources for an introduction to “the evil Frankfurt school’s intellectual genesis” ? Was Leo Strauss part of Frankfurt School?

  352. @iffen

    No, that was you that was unreasonable and aggressive. :)

    Okay, fine, whatever. There is no purpose in doing any Monty Python argument skit routine over this. After all, there is a complete electronic record of it and anybody who is at all interested can look at it and judge for himself, i.e. the discussion under this article: http://www.unz.com/article/a-framework-for-reclaiming-reality/

    So, leaving that aside, here is a question:

    As regards the pamphlets found in Larry Green’s car…. how much evidentiary value would you say that has in terms of demonstrating that Larry Green murdered the various people?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @iffen
  353. @Melchizidek

    It seems entirely possible to me that in a town where everybody knows everybody, the people who knew Till’s father’s penchants for violence and rape saw Till’s behavior and decided to nip that criminal in the bud. I can’t agree with that Minority Report style justice, but it does seem like some Old Testament behavior–in the order of Melchizidek, so to speak.

    • Replies: @Adar.
  354. Adar. says:
    @Bob Johnson

    At that exact moment Treyvons socked Zimmerman, breaking the nose of George, jumped on top of George, then continued beat him for up to a minute without allowing George to rise to his feet, including slamming the head of George into the concrete several times, Treyvons became the aggressor and demonstrated a determined intent to KILL.

  355. Adar. says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The father of Till was executed for raping and murdering Italian women in WW2. He not only did the acts but was in the habit of doing so.

  356. etnoj says:

    Just as this article speaks about the media making the world believe what it wants, we don’t know all of the facts of anything. The only people that know the truth are those that are there in the heat of the moment. This article, like the media, is taking attention away from one group of bad intentioned people and focusing on another. Now, if these statements are true, more power to you for doing your research and bringing attention to the topic. I certainly haven’t heard of Zebra killings but I also don’t go searching for bad news. So before any of you reading allow yourself to be swayed, know the difference between right and wrong. Killing each other is wrong no matter what nationality you are and until we as Americans realize we’re stronger together than divided, these terrible things will continue to happen.

  357. @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, you’re always whining “What was the motive?”

    THERE is the motive.

    BTW, Larry Green and the others told the parole board what they thought it wanted to hear. For example, Green says he no longer has anti-white feelings.

  358. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    As regards the pamphlets found in Larry Green’s car…. how much evidentiary value would you say that has in terms of demonstrating that Larry Green murdered the various people?

    none

    • Replies: @David In TN
  359. Google: “People v. Cooks (1983) – California Court of Appeal Decisions”

    This is a 94-page document of the appellate decision with a summary of the evidence in what are called the Zebra Killings.

  360. @iffen

    It’s true that pamphlets in a car aren’t evidence of murder by themselves. It does show motive.

    The supporters of the Zebra Killers posting on this thread have indicated they don’t care about evidence.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  361. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    Unz’s telling statistical study reveals that the KKK is the “Hitler” of American history.

    I expect Hitler/Nazis quite eclipse even the KKK in terms of adverse coverage in Wikipedia and other venues that reflect popular preoccupations.

  362. Well, we all know who’s been in control of the US media for the past 100 years – don’t we?

  363. @Verymuchalive

    Jews who control the Western press have always held a soft spot in their hearts for Communism. Which should come as no surprise to anyone since Jews are the authors of Communism and it’s most active and enthusiastic supporters. Absent Jews, there would have been no Soviet Union, and no 20 million victims of Red Terror.

  364. I really enjoyed this article. I never knew about the Zebra killings before. Thank you for writing this.

  365. @unpc downunder

    During the 1950s and ’60s, the Klan was a very effective force in keeping Black wanna-be thugs and sorry while trash in line. As a result, violent crime directed at innocent Blacks or Whites was virtually unheard of, as well as child abuse and non-support of children. I know, because I grew to maturity in the Deep South in that era when one’s neighborhood was the safest place anyone could be and where no one locked doors while sleeping or when leaving home for extended periods of time. So explain to me again what was so bad about the Klan and why we would not be extremely lucky to have it back in our neighborhoods today.

  366. Mark says:
    @Melchizidek

    I was born less than 10 miles from where Emmett Till tried to swim the Tallahatchie river with the gin fan he stole. Poor little negro, that fan was just too heavy.

    • Replies: @Boris
  367. […] American Pravda: The KKK and Mass Racial Killings (Ron Unz, The Unz Review) […]

  368. @David In TN

    The supporters of the Zebra Killers posting on this thread

    Good grief. You can’t possibly be that stupid.

    Or can you? Maybe you can be that stupid….

    • Replies: @David In TN
  369. @Randal

    “I fear there will be a lot of too nice, mostly middle and working class children who will fall badly foul of the harsh reality that their schools and news and opinion sources will not have prepared them for”
    Look up poor 17 yr old Lily Burk, whose insulated upbringing coupled with SJW parents led to her being murdered by a black ex-con whom she was trying to help. Cameras show her at 2 ATMs getting cash for him and riding in the passenger seat while he drove her car. She even called her parents for advice on how to get cash with her credit card while she was with this guy. I’m sure she had the opportunity to escape or ask for help at one of the public ATMs, but I doubt she even realized she was in danger at that point. After all, I’m sure she was taught that poor black people just need a helping hand.

  370. Don’t know if it’s been pointed out, I sort of skim-read the article, but another fact about the Zebra Killing that makes it even more note-worthy and “sensational” than it already is, is that city councilman and future Mayor Art Agnos was victim who survived. Recently, the only time I’ve ever heard this ongoing racist atrocity ever mentioned was in quick passing recently by Jeffrey Toobin on CNN while discussing his recent book about Patty Hearst. There was no reference to the facts of the case, just “the Zebra Killing” as part of a list of what was happening in California in the 60s and 70s.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  371. @Malcolm X-Lax

    Saw the reference to Agnos. Disregard.

  372. @Jonathan Revusky

    You claim Green is an innocent victim of an FBI hoax, that makes you a supporter. If the shoe fits, wear it.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  373. It’s a pity that an intelligent and articulate truther like Unz is so racist. It doesn’t bode well for the coming period where the majority of births are of non-Whites, and the US is being transformed from a White to a majority non-White country, like most of the others. It will be ruled by a White ruling class, supported by racist truthers like Unz.

  374. @David In TN

    You claim Green is an innocent victim of an FBI hoax, that makes you a supporter.

    First of all, I never said that I knew for sure. Go look back at what I said.

    But most importantly, you seem incapable of simple logic. If I were to conclude that Green was framed, that would mean that I don’t think he is one of the killers, so, in that case, supporting Green does not mean that I support the killers.

    I started reading the Clark Howard book, read the first sixty pages or so, and this has only caused me to have greater doubts about the case.

  375. Adar. says:

    [Continually changing your handle to conceal your identity is not permitted and will get your future comments trashed.]

    If you want to read about racial mass killings go Google the Parsley Massacre or the Zanzibar Revolution. The KKK pales in comparison. That choice of the word pale a Freudian slip.

  376. Che Guava says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik,

    Points taken. I also do not see much of human affairs as pure good and evil.

    Bomber Harris and Curtiss Le May were heroes?

    I think that Admiral Yamamoto was, in the military sense, a true hero. He even argued against it, but he dutifully led the attack.

    Japan declared war before the Pearl Harbour attack.

    He was assassinated on an executive order from would-be President-for-life Wheelchair within two years.

    The case for Pres. Wheelchair *wanting* the Pearl Harbour attack to proceed is well established.

    Yamamoto probably suspected that the US carriers would not even be in port, but was doubtless very disappointed when they were not.

    741, sure that is not the worst, though horrific, general treatment of Chinese people (what westerners call WW II really was a continuum from WW I), of POWs, was needlessly bad in the early days.

    I am, as you may gather, a big fan of propaganda movies, have seen (not counting Hollywood crap and post-war commie stuff, also viewed) American, Chinese, French, German, Japanese, Soviet, and Viet. Probably many other places.

    Ten or so years ago the cinema annexe of the Tokyo Gallery of Modern Art had a great show of origins to early ’60s animation (those that weren’t burnt, for the earlier part).

    Much great material, some very moving, some very funny.

    Many of those directed towards the attempted invasion of China were disturbing. One in particular included sequential beheadings.

    The Asahi News is supposed to be a threat to society here now (too leftist, a fake), but in the old days, their editors were the most enthusiastic fans of empire, they sponsored a contest of two officers to see how many Chinese people they could behead. Both had well over a hundred by the time the winner was declared.

  377. Boris says:
    @Mark

    Poor little negro, that fan was just too heavy.

    I don’t think this moron needs much excuse to kill a black person. Talking to a white woman would be more than enough. Just like his stupid, worthless dad.

  378. john7 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Keep drinkin the kool aid… the ‘nation of islam’ quite respectable law abiding etc’?!?!?! when their leaders openly call for a race war against whites? [and WHY havent THEY been charged with hate crimes?]
    saint trayvon got exactly what he deserved, as did brown. Period.
    The KKK as the original group was started, was solely there to protect white people – women in particular – from criminals of every colour – they lynched several whites -due to the governments lax treatment of same. The FACT that the blacks make up a disproportionate percentage of criminals is simply played out. The occupying government – still in place – was and is giving blacks a pass and actually encouraging their behaviour. Back when men were still men, some fellows decided to do something about it. Were the KKK still active in its original form [the current group is a government sponsored front] then we wouldnt have problems like Charlotte, Baltimore, Ferguson etc. Nor would we have nation of islam.
    The smearing of the Klan, as the author points out, is just more anti-white sensationalism designed to bolster the narrative.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  379. @john7

    when their leaders openly call for a race war against whites?

    You need to provide a link for that, I think. I don’t know which statements you’re talking about.

  380. A piece I wrote regarding David Duke a while back:

    Why the Western Mass Media Loves David Duke

    Because he is a moron. That is why they always have him on. When he talks, it makes you get bored, disgusted with white people.

    Of course, Duke does have psychiatric problems – extreme narcissism for one; he just talks about himself, sees himself as a prophet.

    Duke consistently tries to reinforce with the public his (self-deluded?) belief of his high worth by constantly saying things like “I did this”, “Because of me”, “my [intellectually genius] analysis”, “Me, me, me!”, while in reality, an analysis of his behavior quickly shows that there is nothing cognitively unique about him. Indeed, he is well suited for a career as a religious preacher, but certainly not an intellectual.

    When Duke interviews others, or is being interviewed, he insists on being the only one allowed to talk, as if his publicly (but not personally) obvious intellectual mediocrity is of a status deserving to be displayed for the whole allotted time.

    And Duke constantly complains about the public not placing him on the same intellectual level as real thinkers such as Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor, Richard Lynn, Francis Galton, Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, J. Philippe Rushton, and so forth. He is like a child immaturely complaining to his parents about not getting undeserved respect from them. He has to impose himself on others to get recognition, such as when he recently put Kevin MacDonald on the spot by asking him on air to publish his article about Khazars in the Occidental Observer.

    One cannot help but notice Duke’s conspicuous attempts at masking some of his intellectual shortcomings by paying a linguistic coach to successfully help him get rid of his southern accent, as well as by choosing to grow a pretentious “intellectual” beard.

    In fact, due to Duke’s lack of abilities, he was forced to accept a fake college degree in Eastern Europe, an honorary degree that was not earned.

    Equally humorous are Duke’s “epiphanies”, moments during his sermons where he feels that he has just, in live real-time, made a breakthrough epiphany, when in reality, the “epiphanies” are already simple “common sense” truths anyone could easily deduce, or already know.

    Duke projects his intellectual mediocrity onto those he is trying to address: this is partly why his communication is very patronizing and simple-minded; he talks to the public as if they are children and he is a god-like father.

    Individuals are not helping their various causes by affiliating with David Duke, unless their causes are to make a mockery of a subject – the very reason the Western mass media uses David Duke as the representative of White Nationalism.

    • Agree: Anonymous Smith
  381. Here is an example showing that David Duke lacks the personality and IQ to be scientific:

    Duke makes the statement that Africans believe that the reason they are not as successful as Caucasians is because Caucasians oppress them, when in reality the reason has to do with Africans having genes that make them less intelligent and more unconscientious and psychopathic.

    BUT, David Duke then says that Ashkenazi are a lot more successful than Caucasians and are more educated, get into better universities, make more money, have more economic and political power, and have better jobs and higher social status. But, he says that this has nothing to do with Ashkenazi having better genes than Caucasians, but instead is the result of Ashkenazi oppressing Caucasians.

    So, David Duke is clearly non-scientific. He refuses to acknowledge that the median Ashkenazi IQ of 117 is as high above Caucasians as that of Caucasians is above Africans – a full standard deviation. If 15 IQ points make all the cultural difference between African-Americans and Caucasians, then the same magnitude of cultural difference will also exist between Ashkenazi and Caucasians (not to overlook Ashkenazi ethnocentrism, conscientiousness, and neuroticism as also being factors).

  382. @AshkeNietzsche

    Dear Unz Review,

    Are my posts no longer welcomed here? If this is the case, I respect your decision and will graciously depart the comments section with no negative feelings towards this website.

    Layla tov.

  383. I’ve wasted so much time on forums with very little visibility. I have written many articles and posts that I would like to re-post at Unz Review, writings that I don’t care to get credit for; instead, I just want the ideas in my writings to become public knowledge among the intelligentsia, which I feel can be achieved through your website.

    I am a convert to Judaism (I even have a Jewish name). But, I am a convert to secular Judaism, to cultural Judaism, but not to supernatural Judaism. As a eugenicist, I seek to protect the Ashkenazi gene pool, which is why I would never actually have a child with an Ashkenazi person since my DNA is not Ashkenazi. We must support the Ashkenazi Super-Species with our unique strengths, and my strength lies not in a genetic contribution to the Ashkenazi community, but in a cultural contribution. And so I have spent years making such contributions.

  384. But, I can see that you do not wish to assist me in my endeavor on this website. I thank you for the privilege you have given me to post what I already have on your website. It has been an honor, and I will now respect your wishes and make this post my last post.

    Best Wishes,

    AshkeNietzsche

  385. […] Can’t imagine any bias coming through here. I’m sure the Ron Unz article on racial killings will be assigned, for balance. On the off chance that it isn’t, I link to it here. […]

  386. DrD says:
    @Bob Johnson

    “Nothing suggests Trayvon was wrong “?!
    I refer you to Jack Cashill’s book “If I Had a Son”, and to Masaad Ayoob’s series of online essays on the matter. Educate yourself.

  387. Ace says:
    @Rurik

    Very good but I your point that America’s cops are far too arrogant and thuggish is not well taken. I’ve had dealings with a fair number of American cops and they’ve been uniformly courteous and reasonable but for one minor case where it was an obvious speed trap at the bottom of the hill.

  388. Calion says:
    @Bob Johnson

    Agreed. Yes, it turns out that Michael Brown was a bad poster child for BLM, and the Treyvon Martin case was probably decided correctly, but neither of those facts negates the reality that there definitely seems to be a different standard of justice applied to blacks, especially urban blacks, than to other people. And Eric Garner, another catalyst of BLM, isn’t mentioned at all. The institutional injustices turned up in the investigation of the Ferguson police department and court system are by themselves indications of the need for such a movement, even if many of the specific practices and demands of BLM are not warranted.

  389. @AshkeNietzsche

    Here is an example showing that David Duke lacks the personality and IQ to be scientific:

    Duke makes the statement that Africans believe that the reason they are not as successful as Caucasians is because Caucasians oppress them, when in reality the reason has to do with Africans having genes that make them less intelligent and more unconscientious and psychopathic.

    BUT, David Duke then says that Ashkenazi are a lot more successful than Caucasians and are more educated, get into better universities, make more money, have more economic and political power, and have better jobs and higher social status. But, he says that this has nothing to do with Ashkenazi having better genes than Caucasians, but instead is the result of Ashkenazi oppressing Caucasians.

    So, David Duke is clearly non-scientific.

    That is a stupid analysis.

  390. Gordo says:

    Clicked on this randomly and found an excellent article, well done Mr Unz.

  391. A beautiful piece of piercing truth and brutal reality.

    Consider also that certainly many, if not most or all, of the KKK lynchings were based on crimes committed by Negroes, or violations that clearly involved risk of death, known to all. That is a lot different than walking up to a stranger and blowing their brains out.

    • Replies: @Aaron Aarons
  392. @silly billy

    silly billy says: “Zimmerman was patrolling….”

    Actually, no. Zimmerman was on his way to the store when he saw Martin coming into the gated community from the direction of a hole in the fence.

    And, oh, btw: Unz writes, “…Michael Brown of Ferguson fame was a gigantic, thuggish criminal, who casually committed the strong-arm robbery of a convenience store at night…”

    Actually, the robbery was just before noon. Brown’s death was shortly after noon. And I’m unaware that Brown had a criminal record. He did, however, seem to be suffering from some mental problems. Google “Satan chasing angels” in connection with his name to find the NYT article with the relevant illuminating material.

    And, while I’m offering random corrections, unpc downunder wrote “the KKK… is regarded with the same horror as the Waffen SS…” Well, horror at “Waffen SS” is also a bit misplaced. If you were a member of Hitler’s bodyguard, “Liebstandart Adolf Hitler”, in, say, 1936 you had to be a committed Nazi and proven Aryan. If you were a member of SS Panzerkorps “Liebstandart Adolf Hitler” in, say, 1944, it might indicate nothing more than that the SS had used its pull to draft you before the Army had the opportunity to do so. Gestapo and concentration camp guards, e.g., were SS but not Waffen SS, and the distinction is somewhat important but often ignored.

  393. @Poupon Marx

    [...]certainly [sic!] many, if not most or all, of the KKK lynchings were based on crimes committed by Negroes, or violations that clearly involved risk of death, known to all. [Emphasis added.] That is a lot different than walking up to a stranger and blowing their brains out.

    Those “violations” could include just about anything that was seen as a threat to white political or economic domination, including voting or encouraging other Blacks to try to vote. As for Poupon‘s last sentence, I do think it’s tragic that people beaten down by oppression often strike out blindly against those who are seen as part of the oppressor population, rather than targeting active oppressors.

  394. I’ve sometimes wondered whether Till’s actions may have been far more substantial than merely a harmless “wolf whistle,” perhaps even amounting to some sort of sexual assault, with his killing therefore being the sort of rough justice not uncommon in backward rural communities.

    Well, now we know for a fact that this supposition is false.

    There is a small moment, though, when Bryant unburdens herself of an admission that any person with a spark of decency would consider self-evident. “Nothing that boy did,” she tells Tyson, “could ever justify what happened to him.”

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/books/article134486434.html#storylink=cpy

    So all the racists who declared that Till groped or attacked Bryant have been proven wrong. Just a reminder that you worthless racists are always wrong. Always.

  395. anarchyst says:
    @Randal

    If “young master Trayvon” had murdered Zimmerman, it would have not made page 10 of the local newspaper and would have been just “another robbery gone wrong”, and “Tray-tray” would been free to ply his criminal trade…

    • Replies: @Alden
  396. TJ says:

    Well, it’s now 2017 and the woman that Till was accused of attacking has come forward and says her story was false. Way to accuse a 14 year old dead boy of a more serious crime than what was originally reported, especially now that it has come out that her accusations were a lie.

    Be careful about making assumptions. There’s a saying about assumptions that tends to ring true.

  397. Mr. Unz,

    Thanks for your article. And thanks for all that you do. Specifically, thanks for the work you’ve done with Unz.org, as it has allowed me to read articles from a multitude of sources going back to the 1800s. As you discuss in your Pravda series, the internet has indeed provided us with the ability to see the fiction imposed upon us by our government and, especially, the media.

    On the topic of race in America, one of the best examples of the media replacing history with a fiction of their own creation is slavery. It’s about time someone wrote a book on the history of slavery in America that exposes slavery for what it really was, and not as was wrongly depicted in Northern abolitionist propaganda (i.e., in a well-researched, academic way that stands up against current literature & “research” on the topic propagated by AA Studies Departments).

    In researching slavery as it really was, I came across some interesting information about black crime and the extreme increase in black crime following the civil war and emancipation. I could go on and on about this because of how interesting the information is, but I’ll leave you with the facts.

    In 1900, Professor John Roach Straton of Mercer University wrote an article titled “Will Education Solve the Race Problem?”

    Straton states, “After the war, the education of the negro began and advanced rapidly; but side by side with it has gone his increase in crime and immorality in even greater scale.” He then provides info & statistics on black crime and it’s increase. Importantly, he states the following (which I summarize for readability):

    In 1890 (25 years after emancipation), blacks made up 12% of US population; and yet, in 1890, blacks committed:
    30% of all crime
    37% of all homicides
    40% of all assaults

    Contrast the above with current statistics (using most recent data I found on FBI’s website):

    In 2012 (and today), blacks make up around 12.2% of US population; and yet, in 2012, blacks committed:
    28.1% of all crime
    49% of all homicides
    34% of all assaults

    I could provide loads of commentary on the above statistics, as well as on other points made in the article I cite (and other publications I’ve read), but the data speaks for itself. And I say this knowing how easy it is for people to manipulate statistics or use stats in ways to mislead. The article is def. worth a read. And fortunately, it’s easily accessible on Unz.org.

    • Replies: @Sajmon
  398. RW says:

    The Nation of Islam Zebra killings may have started earlier than the date given in this article. My mother was nearly stabbed to death in a random attack by a black man in a park in NJ around 1960. The police detectives visited her hospital room twice and asked both times whether the man said anything about “killing a white woman in order to join a ‘club’.”

  399. Really? Soooo Trayvon Martin, an A student walking home with a tea and some candy is somehow threatening to a wanna be cop who, as a representative of the neighborhood watch, was supposed to WATCH and report and wasn’t supposed to be carrying of confronting anyone in the first place? And he “seemed to be violent?” Do tell….HOW or WHAT made Trayvon “seem” violent? Was it due to all of his arrests that he didn’t have? Was it all of the fights he NEVER had in school? The F’s and D’s that he NEVER got in school? Funny how you think it’s ok for a grown man with no badge to hunt down a KID! But then you go even further with Mike Brown – so apparently he was a thug too huh? It’s amazing how “thugs” in your eyes are those who have never perpetuated violence in their past and carry 3.32 grade point averages in school. It’s also clear that you must be a very little man to call a child (because Mike Brown was a child so you must be…I don’t know….smaller than a child?) a “hulking” criminal! But what’s even more interesting is how you make statements like ” [Mike Brown] casually committed the strong-arm robbery of a convenience store at night” when that was never proven AND even the store owner said that it was NOT Mike Brown who robbed his store’ s first statement (before he recanted – wonder why?). But we don’t need to rehash this. We know who you are. We know that you’re not interested in facts – in fact, you and your clique are trying your best to make facts obsolete by avoiding naming sources, twisting reality and often making up facts on the spot.

    Bottom line is – you’re a perfect blend of monster and idiot. The perfect example of what happens when someone comes from a dysfunctional environment and desperately needs to minimize another group of people to feel better about themselves. The type of person who desperately accuses people of what they are themselves. Good writer or not, people would have to be absolutely stupid to fall for anything you say because if you’d stoop so low as to distort facts just to justify hating people because they have a permanent tan and you don’t is the most UNAMERICAN that anyone can be.

    • Replies: @GourmetDan
    , @Alden
  400. yeah says:
    @joef

    “That is why if it were not for modern protections, liberals would die off from natural selection (the denial of reality is not a skill for survival).”

    LOL, LOL, that is a good one! To pay back the fanatical liberals in their own coin of “Political Correctness”, we should refer to them as “Reality-challenged” and get them to sue Nature because they could be victims of “Natural selection discrimination”.

  401. @WorkingClass

    ” Trevon Martin was stalked by a violence prone George Zimmerman”

    After reading your naive and clueless posting one thing is profoundly obvious : You have never, in your
    sheltered white Liberal existance encountered an authentic “Thug” and you have no clue as to what you are blathering about.

    Myself, born and raised in Detroit Michigan, Highland Park and Brightmoor to be exacting, I have indeed encountered “Thugs” of the merciless violent nature of Trevon Martin and I KNOW precisely what Zimmer was up against on the fateful evening : Death, either his or Martin’s.

    And before you try to pull the race card on me take note of these facts : I am a Jazz performer with fifty-plus years on the bandstand, last gig yesterday evening, and I have played in a zillion bands with black Jazzmen, plus I shared an apartment with a fellow black musician, drummer, for twelve years.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified sine 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  402. @TheOneCalledJaine

    Do tell….HOW or WHAT made Trayvon “seem” violent?

    Maybe it was when he was bashing Zimmerman’s head against the concrete?

  403. This is a shockingly ignorant and wrongheaded article by Ron, insofar as it discusses the magnitude and period of prevalence of lynching. Enough so, as to make me wonder if anything he writes is reliable. The 50′s and 60′s were the height of the Klan’s modern power? Rubbish. It was virtually extinct, and a figure of fun. It had peak political importance in the 1920′s, and lynchings peaked around 1900. The numbers killed were substantial – see this listing:

    http://www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom/lynching_table_year.html

    To trivialize the phenomenon by throwing around the figure “only 15 killed” is, well, deplorable.

    • Agree: Stephen R. Diamond
  404. i read the ‘zebra killings’ around 40 years ago. forgotten it til today. i remember it was a good work. compelling.
    i realize this is an alt-white site, and the author doesn’t hide his leanings. but today the ostensible subject of media coverage, which doesn’t necessarily treat criminal behavior equally thereby shaping american opinion in a way of its choosing
    so being an alt-whiter, the author uses mostly examples of blacks behaving badly toward whites, thus attempting to shape the opinion of the reader. i’m sure he found a receptive audience.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  405. WTF says:
    @imbroglio

    I was present at Bedford Forrests bar mitzvah

  406. @Lawrence Fitton

    Let’s see now. The O.J. Simpson case was “revisited” last year with two multi-part network programs. A&E has started one on Laci Peterson. NBC is doing a seven or eight part “Law and Order” show on the Menendez brothers. A feature film on Charles Manson is on the way.

    Do you wonder why there isn’t a documentary or anything on what you call the ‘zebra killings?’ Don’t you think it should be “revisited?” But “revisit” isn’t the word that applies. The NOI/Zebra Murders could stand to be “visited” period.

  407. Look at all those democrats dressed up in sheets. Hillary couldn’t ever stop kissin Byrd, the KKK Grand Dragon and Democrat Senator until death. Before you say he “changed,” look up his name and “white niggers” on YouTube and get back to me.

  408. @Jonathan Revusky

    I knew someone, an engineer at Calvert Cliffs nuclear plant in Maryland, who on a business trip to San Francisco in the mid 70′s, was leaving his hotel room (on the fifth floor) very early in the morning, when the last thing he remembered was being approach by two black men in suits. It turns out that after knocking him out they were trying to throw him out a window at the end of the hall when another man came out of a nearby room forcing them to drop him and flee down the stairs.

    He said the police had been investigating similar crimes in the San Francisco area. That is a fact.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  409. @Knew an almost victim

    Blah blah…. That is a fact.

    Uhh, no, that is not a “fact”. A fact is something that I (or anybody else) can independently verify.

    The above is just story telling.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  410. @Jonathan Revusky

    One thing I think we know is that given the thugs dna on the hero’s face, he did not smack his head on the pavement after shooting the felon.

  411. Sajmon says:
    @UnzeenHistory

    “In 2012 (and today), blacks make up around 12.2% of US population; and yet, in 2012, blacks committed:
    28.1% of all crime
    49% of all homicides
    34% of all assaults”

    Between 1980-2008 blacks committed:

    64% of homicides,
    70% of robberies,
    50% of rapes,
    45% of aggravated assaults.

    NATIONWIDE.

    [Source: Darrell Steffensmeier, Ben Feldmeyer, Casey T. Harris, Jeffery T. Ulmer, "Reassessing Trends in Black Violent Crime, 1980-2008: Sorting out the 'Hispanic Effect' in Uniform Crime Reports Arrests", Criminology, 2011]

    As far as ratios are concerned, the average Black–White ratio for homicide was 7:1 using official FBI’s figures and jumped to almost 12:1 after adjusting (= after exluding Hispanics from non-Hispanic Whites). Same for robbery and rape: ratio jumped respectively from 10:1 to 15:1 and from 5 to 6.5.

  412. AMM says:

    I am searching for internet evidence that Emmet himself had a “violent history”, and I cannot find any. Where is the evidence that Emmet, and not just his father, had a “violent history”?

    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
    , @Ron Unz
  413. @AMM

    On a site like this, Emmet’s skin colour alone makes him guilty. I doubt whether he was old enough to have any kind of history, violent or otherwise.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  414. @Uebersetzer

    Yeah we dumb, crude American rednecks, know that you Germans are always right about everything.
    This is the origin of the expression : “deutscher Besserwisser”, for which Germans are famous world-wide.

    ” Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen”

    Speaking of racism : You apparently have forgotten your own recent german history.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
  415. Ron Unz says:
    @AMM

    I am searching for internet evidence that Emmet himself had a “violent history”, and I cannot find any. Where is the evidence that Emmet, and not just his father, had a “violent history”

    Uebersetzer:

    On a site like this, Emmet’s skin colour alone makes him guilty. I doubt whether he was old enough to have any kind of history, violent or otherwise.

    Well, I’m very busy with my software work, and try to avoid getting involved in comment-threads, but I guess I’ll make an exception here…

    Back when I published this article a year ago, a few seconds with Google revealed that during a family quarrel Emmett Till at age 11 had confronted his step-father with a butcher knife and threatened to kill him. I’d say that reasonably constitutes a “violent history.” As I seem to recall, the source was a very mainstream book on the Emmett Till case, very possibly even the one published at the time under his mother’s name.

    However, direct mention of the incident has now largely disappeared from Google searches, unless you know enough of the details to be quite specific, and even then, only sanitized accounts appear. This confirms the claim by “AMM” that searching for evidence on the internet seems not to reveal any.

    However, by using DuckDuckGo, I found very brief reference to the details on some Stormfront posting, which links to a much more detailed account on a blogsite that has now been “disappeared,” apparently in the few days.

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1059996/

    Since I personally haven’t read the book in question, I can’t take a position on the exact details of the incident. But I think this fully demonstrates that anyone these days who regards Google as a useful and objective tool for researching “touchy” subjects is merely an ignorant fool.

  416. Regarding “Uebersetzer”

    And pertaining to the German mindset and their incessant badmouthing and tutoring regarding US internal policies and events :
    Germans are neurotically obcessed with the concept of “Racism” and “Rightists”, and
    they hate DT with an insane passion, while loving and worshiping BO without reservation.
    Their media is overflowing with critical USA reporting regarding US gun laws and they are incessantly demanding that the US change their gun laws so as to conform with the totally restrictive German code.
    They have been demanding, since last Nov, that the US revise it’s electoral system and eliminate the electoral college without even considering the logical reasons for it’s existance.
    One could easily assume the opinion that Germans consider themselves to be the world rulers and that
    they should be able to set the political tone world-wide according to their moral “superiority” and their, as they apparently see it, “Herrenmenschen” insight.
    And all of this coming from a nation which has on it books the most oppressive law possible, namely the big-brother “meldepflicht’” requiring each citizen to report their address to the local police “Meldeamt” upon changing residence, and the numbskull Germans simply are not endowed with the political instinct enabling them to consider this horrid law from a philosophical angle, and these very same fools consider themselves the moral authority on every issue know to mankind.
    WC was more than right with his “boots or throat” axiom.
    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  417. AMM says:
    @Ron Unz

    I see. Knowing a few details now, I can go back to google and search “Emmet Till Butcher Knife” and come up with a few results. I must say, that does technically count as violence, but it appears Emmet may have actually been protecting his mother from some sort of threat from the step father. So while you may say that is evidence that he is violent, it also may be evidence that he is a defender of women.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  418. @Ron Unz

    While I disagree with the way that Till is used as a cudgel by leftists, this is extraordinarily weak evidence for the very provocative implications made in the article. (Namely, that the possibility that Till sexually assaulted the woman in question, and thus his killing was an understandable if perhaps excessive form of “rough justice”, is at least an equally plausible interpretation of events as the conventional view that Till’s murder was the result of relatively trivial unwanted advances.)

    First, even if we were to uncritically accept Mr. Unz’s claim that Till had a violent history and implication that Till may well have sexually assaulted the store employee, this hardly justifies an extra-judicial assassination. A US citizen accused of a crime is guaranteed the right to a public trial by an impartial jury. Even if the 14-year old Till was indeed a brutal violent rapist (which again I must admit I find rather unlikely), he would still have the right to ask that the crimes he’s charged with be proven in a court of law by a jury of his peers and that and his punishment be decided by accountable representatives of the state. Vigilante mob violence is not, at least in my view, a preferable or just way to dispense punishment to criminals.

    To look at this from another angle, consider the hysteria about “rape culture” that pervades many American college campuses. Suppose that a mob of left-wing students beat and killed a male student accused of rape. I somehow doubt that many of the Unz Review’s writers, readers or commenters would express much sympathy for such vigilantism. (Unless, I suppose, the putative victim and vigilantes were white and the putative perpetrator was non-white.)

    Second, without more context about the (alleged) incident regarding Till’s stepfather in question, one might reasonably withhold judgement about whether this constitutes a seriously violent history. Did Till frequently simply pick up a knife out of the blue and, wholly unprovoked, start waving it around and threatening to kill his stepfather? Or was the stepfather violent or abusive towards Till or Till’s mother, and did Till once threaten him in self-defense? Such wildly divergent possibilities are both covered by the statement:

    during a family quarrel Emmett Till at age 11 had confronted his step-father with a butcher knife and threatened to kill him.

    If Till did not ultimately seriously injure or kill his stepfather, or anyone else at any point in his life, I think it’s really stretching the truth to describe him as having a “history of violence”. (One might also say that, if Till threatened his stepfather with a knife, this is simply the sort of “rough justice” common in urban ghettoes whose inhabitants hail from “backward rural communities”.)

    Third, while as per above I don’t think that even if true this claim justifies the suggestions Mr. Unz makes in the article, the evidence for it remains rather scant. While I’d like to trust Mr. Unz’s recollection that he learned of this through a mainstream book, without some way to independently verify the existence of this book I remain doubtful. I must say I’m also a bit puzzled that Mr. Unz did not include a link to his evidence for this claim when he originally penned this article in anticipation of doubt, given that, as he himself writes, this sharply contravenes the mainstream narrative on a very touchy subject.

    The Stormfront post linked cites a now now existent page of a small (<2000 Twitter followers), somewhat idiosyncratic website, which in the portion quoted by Stormfront provides no sources (if there were any) for its claims.

    Using the Wayback Machine, I managed to look at the original post, which indeed does not source almost any of its claims (though some can be independently verified) and seems to have largely pre-determined Till's guilt, given its extraordinarily harsh interpretation of every possible piece of evidence, no matter how irrelevant, about Till's family and early life. Given the goofy, conspiratorial and, uh, "racially charged" nature of Stormfront's community, I think it's reasonable for one to ask for further substantiation of factual claims than defunct links to obscure websites from Stormfront postings.

    Mr. Unz, having been sure that an incident occurred and not finding any evidence via a Google search for it, believes that this demonstrates anyone who trusts the Google search engine to provide information on controversial subjects is an "ignorant fool". I think an impartial observer might draw a rather different conclusion from this.

    I must note, I greatly enjoyed this article overall, strongly agree with most of its core points, and very much appreciate that it brought the Zebra killings to my attention.

  419. I’m happy to see that Mr Unz once again provides good reason to doubt the media and he manged to do it almost without using the label, “mainstream.”

    I’d like to add that it’s important to note that most of the commonly taught versions of US history are at least as misleading as the trash spewed by the press. It amounts to little more than self aggrandizing, feel good hogwash.

    Most of it is best dismissed out of hand and laughed at. Thank goodness for used book stores and the internet.

  420. Ron Unz says:
    @AMM

    but it appears Emmet may have actually been protecting his mother from some sort of threat from the step father.

    That’s absolutely correct. I wasn’t there to witness the scene, and indeed it occurred many years before I was even born.

    However, it seems virtually certain that the only surviving account of the incident came from Till’s own mother, likely given after his “martydom.” So I hardly think she spun it in a negative direction. To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have “violent” tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.

    Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally “disappeared” the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years. Since I knew very little about the Till case, I casually Googled it while writing the article, and accounts of Till’s violent behavior came out right at the top. Now Google has almost totally “disappeared” those as well, which simply reinforces my central media theme, adding a 1984-ish spin.

    But regarding the Till case, let’s consider a thought-experiment involving the recent Charlottesville incident. Prior to the existence of the Internet, our MSM held a near-total monopoly on the distribution of information, and their uniform current reporting has been along the lines of a headline “Vicious Neo-Nazi Terrorists Attack Peaceful Anti-Racist Protesters in Charlottesville, Kill One.” So fifty or sixty years ago, that would have been the only story we heard, afterwards congealing in the ideologically-allied mainstream history books. And except for contrary rumors or suspicions among fringe elements, that would have been that.

    To the extent that readers here are quite skeptical of the current MSM account of Charlottesville, perhaps they should be similarly suspicious of the official account of the Till case from before the Internet came along…

  421. starviego says:

    The philosophy of the Black Muslims may even have been the inspiration of Charles Manson, infamous mass murderer. The details:

    http://www.mansonblog.com/search/label/Zebra%20murders

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @David In TN
  422. Sajmon says:
    @Amanda

    Check this: “Murder of Jan Pawel and Quiana Jenkins Pietrzak”.

  423. MBlanc46 says:
    @Bob Johnson

    Mnay errors here. To pick just one: The 911 operator did not tell Zim not to continue following Martin. The operator said, “We don’t need you to do that.” Quite different. Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmermna. He paid the price for it.

  424. MBlanc46 says:
    @WorkingClass

    How about quoting the “instructions” that the 911 operator gave to Zimmerman.

  425. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    That’s bad epistemology. A fact is something that is the case. A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact. There were facts before there were humans around to be aware of them and there will be facts long after humans have left the scene.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  426. JamesinNm says:

    Read article by Paul Craig Roberts on the atrocities committed by the North on native Americans and Southern Americans and the reason that the KKK was originally formed. You will be surprised, but maybe you don’t care about the truth.

  427. @Ron Unz

    To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have “violent” tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.

    A single incident doesn’t diagnose a “tendency.” No objectively minded person would draw that conclusion. Unfortunate that Ron sometimes chooses to play to win debating points.

    • Replies: @AMM
  428. AMM says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    I read Ron’s original piece in the American Pravda series, and I must say, that one sentence describing Till as having a “violent history” seems to be an error when considering his overall strategy. It omits the detail that Till was violent, but that he also *might* have been trying to protect his mother. Therefor, in that one sentence, you wonder whether or not Unz is hiding other facts in order to further his own agenda. And that is not something you want your readers wondering if you are going to fight a battle of credibility with the larger media organizations.

    However, the point about Till was minor with respect to the overall theme of this article, and I do not think it was too costly. Everybody makes mistakes, and the point wasn’t to conclude that Till was definitely guilty, but rather to conclude that there could be another explanation for the story. The article was still very interesting and made some good points, allowing the reader to draw some of his own conclusions based on the analysis.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  429. Ron Unz says:

    I just read a long article in my morning NYT about the severe backlash Trump is experiencing from his own erstwhile supporters among black Republicans. It contained the following fascinating sentence:

    Many black Republicans and their families have personally experienced racism — and in some cases witnessed violence perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan and other supremacist groups that lynched thousands of people, beat and murdered civil rights marchers, and supported segregationist policies that held African-Americans back.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/trump-black-republicans-moral-dilemma-charlottesville.html

    Offhand, it sounds like “thousands” of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.

    Shame, shame on the MSM for covering up all these terrible KKK massacres…

    • Agree: Sowhat
  430. @Ron Unz

    Offhand, it sounds like “thousands” of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.

    The quoted article is likely referring to the period of ~1865-1940 when somewhere between 3,000-5,000 people, disproportionately though not exclusively black, were indeed lynched. Certainly, most liberal readers of the NYT are probably not aware that lynchings had precipitously declined even before the Civil Rights Movement (Steven Pinker has a graph in the Better Angels of our Nature showing a decline from ~150 a year in the late 19th century to <10 a year in the 1940s), that many lynch mob victims were in fact violent criminals or that "thousands" of people being lynched is a much less shocking statistic when it describes a period of ~75 years. Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  431. Ron Unz says:
    @the Supreme Gentleman

    Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.

    Well, sure, if you read the article in an extremely lawyerly fashion, even the bit I quoted is not necessary factually incorrect. But I think that the tight juxtaposition of the “personal experience of racism” suffered by those black Republican Trump supporters with the “thousands” of KKK lynchings mentioned, means that virtually anyone ignorant of the history who casually reads the sentence would naturally conclude that the latter killings had mostly occurred during the 1960s, 1970s, or even into the 1980s.

    Personally, I’d bet there’s a 50-50 chance that the ignorant Times reporter who wrote the article vaguely believes exactly that…

    • Replies: @Alden
  432. BTW

    Soviet main newspaper ……Trud (Work)
    Czech main newspaper……..Pravda (Truth)

    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
  433. norm741 says:

    NOW U TUBE IS CENSORING AND GOOGLE HAS CHANGED ITS algorithms TO BE MORE LEFTIST

  434. LauraMR says:

    I completely disagree.

    It is true that the media lies. It is true that black crime is hidden, particularly racially motivated.

    But everyone knows the media is lying. Everyone. I cannot remember a single time during the last four decades when people were not afraid to go to black neighborhoods, regardless of their race or political background.

    The violent nature of these ghettos is one of the reasons why children in black neighborhoods systematically skip school. It terrifies them to leave their houses.

  435. fnn says:
    @Bob Johnson

    The Klan enthusiastically supported ww1, prohibition, public education, eugenics, and other programs of the political establishment.

    Thanks for pointing out the considerable overlap between Klan positions and those of the progressive movement of the time. To be fair, there were a few anti-war progressives like Bob LaFollette.

  436. @MBlanc46

    A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact.

    Uhh, no, you’re simply wrong. A fact is supposed to be verifiable. Typically, it means a statement that no reasonable person would care to dispute, along the lines of “Paris is the capital of France.”

    I could tell you that I had bread and cheese for breakfast. It so happens that this is true, but it is not a fact because nobody has any way of verifying it.

    This exemplifies a key problem there is in so much of what passes for debate on this and other sites. People don’t understand the difference between facts and storytelling — telling unverifiable stories.

    • Replies: @Comms
    , @MBlanc46
    , @Alden
  437. Comms says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Now add in Just-So Stories. Facts are so 20th century and look how fast that is changing.

  438. @Rurik

    Like was there a deliberate agenda for the total extermination of the Jewish race or not?

    It’s not a subject that I’ve researched; but your question reminded me of a compelling TV movie titled “Conspiracy” which dramatized the 1942 Wannsee Conference responsible for planning the Final Solution. It was released in 2001, and I watched the BBC TV premiere but I don’t think it’s had a repeat showing . Produced jointly by HBO and the BBC, it starred Kenneth Branagh as Reinhard Heydrich, the conference chairman, and Stanley Tucci as Adolf Eichmann.

    There was also a TV movie which I haven’t seen – “The Final Solution: the Wannsee Conference” (1984) – which also presents a dramatized reconstruction (German cast, writer and director, so might be subtitled). It is billed as “a real time recreation of the 1942 Wannsee Conference, in which leading SS and Nazi Party officials gathered to discuss the Final Solution to the Jewish Question. Led by SS-General Reinhard Heydrich, the Wannsee Conference was the starting point for the Jewish Holocaust which led to the mass murder of six million people”.

    This German movie is apparently based on the actual minutes of the conference. I’m not sure if the same is true of the HBO/BBC version.

    Both appear to be available at amazon.com.

    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
  439. @Rurik

    The lampshades, the shrunken heads, the human soap factories? Indeed, there were some pretty outlandish claims that were made about geysers of blood shooting into the air where the Nazis were tossing babies out of lories onto bomb fires. There were specially trained eagles and bears that were used to kill Jews, and so forth.

    I must say, I really only ever hear/have heard the specific claim about “lampshades and soap” by people denying/mocking the idea of/revising the Nazi Holocaust, which is rather bizarre given how frequently denialists bring it up. In my fairly typical public school education, in which the events and moral implications of the Holocaust were discussed at various points, I don’t recall the claim “Jews were turned into lampshades and soap” even being made, let alone being a central part of the mainstream narrative. While I haven’t read that much about the Holocaust specifically, I’ve read a fair number of books by well-respected historians like Ian Kershaw and Timothy Snyder on that era in European history that partially cover the Holocaust, and more general works of non-fiction by authors like Steven Pinker that touch on it in some broader context, and perhaps they mentioned the “lampshades and soap” thing in passing, but if so it was such a tiny part of their writings that it escaped my notice.

    And yet, whenever I see a comment/tweet/video by a self-described historical revisionist, it invariably makes a sarcastic reference to the idea that some of the European Jews forced into concentration camps by the Nazis were turned into lampshades and soap, as if in every mainstream discussion of the Holocaust this was a central point.

    A cursory Google search seems to confirm my intuitions here: apparently, the Yad Vashem Memorial has declared that industrial scale human soap production is unfounded myth, and an article from the Jewish Virtual Library is self-explainingly titled “the Soap Myth.” If Wikipedia can be believed, the consensus among mainstream Holocaust historians is that this was a World War 2 rumor that proved to be unfounded.

    And yet there must be 10,000 internet comments about “soap and lampshades”, as if disputing these claims is some huge coup against the mainstream narrative!

  440. @Ron Unz

    “Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally ‘disappeared’ the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years.”

    The cowardly and hypocritical politicians along with the so-called “anti-racists” have never said a word about it. Not a word.

  441. @Authenticjazzman

    I am not German, although my byline, “Uebersetzer”, is German for “translator”, and I do a lot of translating. I do find it interesting that despite your Mensa membership and presumably high IQ, you made an untenable assumption about me.
    There are also Unz commentators who assume people are Jewish on the basis of what they write, but at least they make no claims of high IQs for themselves.

  442. @Ilyana Rozumova

    In Soviet bloc times, Trud was the official daily of the Soviet trade unions. Pravda was the main Soviet Communist Party daily.
    There was a newspaper called Pravda in Czechoslovakia, but I believe it was the daily of the Communist Party of Slovakia. The Czech party daily was Rude Pravo.

  443. @englishmike

    Both are based on the minutes but these are a thin skin for TV programmes of some length, and both shows pad the dramatisation out with a lot of extraneous material not found in the minutes or later recollections. The German dramatisation, for example, finds room for a mention of Husseini, the Palestinian religious leader. With Israeli troops still in Lebanon in the early 1980s, perhaps this reflected a perceived need to link Nazis to Palestinians. The British dramatisation of 2001 contained no such mention.

  444. schrub says:

    [Select a single Handle and stick with it, or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise your comments may be trashed.]

    The real, underlying question that arises out of this article is: Why is it, considering the financial resources of right wing voters in the United States, we have so far been unwilling to support not just our own TV channel but even a large-well funded, investigative website like Glen Greenwalt’s “comparatively unbiased” The Intercept, which is sponsored by the left wing founder of Paypal.

    I cherish Russia Today TV because it is simply the only source of “relatively” unbiased real news in the entire MSM. RT, unfortunately, also has its own national interests to pursue.

    On the other hand, I strongly distrust the very popular Breitbart.com because its main underlying emphasis has always been to promote the interests of Israel by superficially appealing to right wing voters. In this regard, it is very similar to Drudge.com (which recently has made a noticeable turn to the left).

    This underlying emphasis will be clearly displayed during Breitbart chairman Steves Bannon’s upcoming speech before the rabidly pro Israel Zionist Organization of American His main topic for this speech will , undoubtedly, advocate American attacks on both Syria and Iran. I predict the speech will be truly cringe worthy.

  445. tjm says:
    @Anonymous

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!

    So tired of the hate put on those who are just pawns in the game of destroying the west.

    Time and again, when you look past the obvious narrative, you see the Zionist Jew working pulling the strings.

  446. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Indeed. In the Deep South Klan members paid far more spiritual adjustments visits to white trash men who abused family members, than to black folks who, as a rule avoided committing acts that might to invite their attention.

  447. Ben Frank says:

    The peak year for USA lynching was in 1892 when 161 black people were killed.

    Compare the entire USA then with a single city – Baltimore or Detroit now where about twice that are murdered each year.

    • Replies: @the Supreme Gentleman
  448. @Ben Frank

    That’s a good point, but one would want to adjust those figures to be per capita, and ideally per capita by state, region and city. (I think it would still easily stand, just that a leftist might say “oh well that’s just an illusion based on population size” and avoid addressing it.)

  449. Sam J. says:
    @Bob Johnson

    “…By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor…”

    I so happy to hear this. From now on if Negros are following me at night I will feel entirely comfortable in pounding their heads into concrete and resting easy that I did the right thing.

  450. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Facts are what are the case. Full stop.

  451. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    KKK killing some blacks gets more coverage than White Westerners wiping out Indian tribes.

    I guess the difference is Blacks matter in America. Indians not so much.

    • Replies: @Alden
  452. Alden says:
    @Gail

    I only post things I know about.

    My uncle Harry was a lifelong FBI employee stationed in Washington DC. He was there during the Emmett Till killing and attempted or actual rape. At the time the entire FBI knew what happened. It’s a qite different story from the media lies at the time that he only verbally harassed her.

    Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it. The parents of those boys didn’t like Emmett’s tales. The men knew it was probably just bragging. But who wants their boys associating with someone who brags about being a rapist?

    Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady.
    That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him. She never made it clear exactly how far the rape went as like most 1950′s rape victims she was ashamed of it.

    She was 5’2 and weighted about 100 pds. He was 5’8 and weighed about 150. He had 6 inches and 50 pds on her. I stoped wrestling, fighting and playing touch football with the boys when I was 10. always hated it, but by the time they were 10 or 11 they may have been smaller than I, but I could tell they were getting male muscles.

    If you think tiny Carolyn Brady could have defended herself against the animal, why don’t you try defending yourself against someone 50 pds and 6 inches bigger? Contrary to all the feminazi self defense and karate nonsense, the biggest problem short women have defending themselves against men is the difference in height, not weight so much. “Stick your car keys in his eyes” yeah right, when you’re 5’3 and the assailant is 6 ft. You can’t even reach his eyes if he stood still.

    It wasn’t verbal harassment it was rape or almost rape. And why keep the animal alive? Credulous naive fools who believe the media believe the lies that youthful offenders or delinquents or whatever the current term is, at risk yute maybe?

    But their victims and police and prosecutors know that they continue their lives of crime until they are about 45, especially blacks.

  453. Corvinus says:
    @Alden

    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?

    And as far talking about what you know, on this matter you have no clue what you are talking about.

    “Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it.”

    Where is your source as evidence that he actually made that boast to his friends?

    “That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him.”

    No, it was her husband and his half-brother were put on trial. No black men were even associated with the murdering of Till.

    “Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady.”

    Not Mrs. Brady, Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/journeytojustice/2017/02/06/could-lies-about-emmett-till-be-prosecuted/97557668/

    Now, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Alden
  454. Ron Unz says:
    @Corvinus

    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?

    Well, I can’t assess the particular issue under dispute. But offhand, “Alden” seems like a particularly knowledgeable and level-headed commenter on lots of issues.

    However, I think she’s also mentioned that she’s quite elderly, and if she actually once claimed to have read “hundreds of thousands of books,” are you so sure it wasn’t just a (very minor) typo for “hundreds or thousands of books”? I’ve occasionally made typos myself, and I suspect even you may have done the same…

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Alden
  455. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    Sir, she has made it known to me on more than one occasion that she has accomplished that feat, so call me skeptical of her typo in this incident, especially since I have asked for clarification on the matter and have yet to receive a response.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Anon
  456. The media reaction to the death of Charles Manson reminds us of the difference in the attention given to the Manson murders versus the so-called Zebra Killings.

  457. Suppose, just suppose, that Charles Manson and associates were found guilty solely on the basis of circumstantial and irrelevant evidence. The prosecution claimed that evidence that pointed toward Black criminals/addicts as the perps looked that way because Manson planted it in order to bring on the ‘Helter Skelter’ race war, but suppose — just suppose — that evidence pointed toward Black perps because the Tate-LaBianca murders were in fact done by Black criminals/drug addicts.

    How many homicidal home invasions in Los Angeles took place in 1969? How many homicides that perhaps could have been home invasions were written off as unsolved, end of story?

    Did Manson and associates really receive a fair trial? Is testimony based on depriving a young nursing mother in jail of a recently born child … can that confession — without which the case against Manson might have been dismissed — be considered reliable? Was it even admissible?

    How credible was the case against Manson? Did Bugliosi profit from the convictions?

    • Replies: @Alden
  458. Alden says:
    @Corvinus

    I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits.

    My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened.

    Who is her? My uncle Harry was a man.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  459. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    If black Republicans are victims of the KKK they must all be between 120 and 90 years old.

  460. Alden says:
    @Corvinus

    I read fast. Don’t like TV

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  461. Alden says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    There were probably some home invasions resulting in murder in Los Angekes that year. But they wrote all over the walls in blood. Plus they murdered 4 people at the Tate house and Tate was 9 months pregnant.if they had just killed the LaBiancas it wouldn’t have become the sensation it did. But they wrote on the walls with blood. And Sharon Tate was a 9 month pregnant movie star.

    I didn’t know one of the cult members had a newborn. But the newborn would not have been taken away to induce her to testify. She was in the city jail where they stay awaiting trial. The baby would have been placed with relatives or foster parents when mother and baby were ready to leave the hospital.

    A jury, not Bugliosi found them guilty.

  462. Alden says:
    @AMM

    At the time of his attempted or completed rape and murder, Till’s mother was at home in Chicago and Till was in the south spending the summer in his grandparent’s home hundreds of miles away.

    How could his Mother have been involved?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  463. Corvinus says:
    @Alden

    “I read fast. Don’t like TV.”

    Let us take a stroll down memory lane. One could assume that besides history books, you have read non-history books. I gather you are retired. So, for fun, let us assume that you are 80 years old AND you began reading at age 4 since you were a prodigy. 76 x 365 = 27740 days of your life. Let us now assume you read 200000 HISTORY books, since that was YOUR claim that you read hundreds of thousands of those materials. 200000 divided by 27740 = 7.20. So, your average number of books a day is 7.

    Considering that the average number of books people read over the course of a year is 12…

    For the sake of argument, let us say the books you read averaged 100 pages, which would be on the low end. That would be 700 pages to read in a day. Consider that the average reading speed is 200-250 words a minute for non-technical material, (roughly 2 minutes per page). But assuming you were that prodigy, I will grant you for non-technical AND technical material, you would average 1 page in two minutes and meaningfully comprehend the information. That would mean 30 pages in 60 minutes/1 hour.

    Do you see where the math is leading us? Had you stated that you read thousands of history books in your lifetime, while highly unlikely, at least this possibility is more digestible than your claim of reading hundreds of thousands of history books.

    • Replies: @Alden
  464. Corvinus says:
    @Alden

    “At the time of his attempted or completed rape and murder…”

    Again, it was not Mrs. Brady, but Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

  465. Corvinus says:
    @Alden

    “I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits.”

    The truth came out that Bryant lied, and that there were charges against her being mulled. That is the story in case you forgot.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-emmett-till-lie-glanton-20170130-column.html

    “My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened.”

    Right, that two men took the law into their own hands.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  466. Alden says:
    @Anon

    About 1 million Indians in what’s now the USA in 1600, about 3 million today. That’s not wiping out.

    Another anti White liberal cliche from an empty brain

  467. Alden says:
    @Corvinus

    How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.

    Your brain is an empty sink. The tap is closed, the faucet is turned on and the empty vessel fills with liberal propaganda.

    PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research. Hearing about the case from an FBI employee is a better way to find about the case than a liberal propaganda newspaper article you found on the internet.

    It seems to me you have no first hand knowledge of anything. You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago.