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ViewAsPDF2 From everything I’ve heard Swedes seem like very pleasant people, rather agreeable to have around, while my personal experience with Mexicans leads me to a similar conclusion. But suppose so many millions of Swedes poured across the borders into our southern neighbor that within just a few decades Mexico City had become majority Swedish, while much of the rest of that country were following a somewhat similar trajectory. Under such circumstances, severe political problems would surely arise, perhaps even endangering social stability.

I think this one short paragraph provides a better clue to the unexpected political rise of Donald Trump than would a hundred footnoted academic articles.

In the year 1915 America was over 85% white, and a half-century later in 1965, that same 85% ratio still nearly applied. But partly due to the passage of the Immigration Reform Act of that year, America’s demographics changed very rapidly over the following five decades. By 2015 there had been a 700% increase in the total number of Hispanics and Asians and the black population was nearly 100% larger, while the number of (non-Hispanic) whites had grown less than 25%, with much of even that small increase due to the huge influx of Middle Easterners, North Africans, and other non-European Caucasians officially classified by our U.S. Census as “white.” As a consequence of these sharply divergent demographic trends, American whites have fallen to little more than 60% of the total, and are now projected to become a minority within just another generation or two, already reduced to representing barely half of all children under the age of 10.

Demographic changes so enormous and rapid on a continental scale are probably unprecedented in all human history, and our political establishment was remarkably blind for having failed to anticipate the possible popular reaction. Over the last twelve months, Donald Trump, a socially liberal New Yorker, has utilized the immigration issue to seize the GOP presidential nomination against the vehement opposition of nearly the entire Republican establishment, conservative and moderate alike, and at times his campaign has enjoyed a lead in the national polls, placing him within possible reach of the White House. Instead of wondering how a candidate came to take advantage of that particular issue, perhaps we should instead ask ourselves why it hadn’t happened sooner.

The answer is that for various pragmatic and ideological reasons, the ruling elites of both our major parties have largely either ignored or publicly welcomed the demographic changes transforming the nation they jointly control. Continuous heavy immigration has long been seen as an unabashed positive both by open borders libertarians of the economically-focused Right and also by open borders multiculturalists of the socially-focused Left, and these ideological positions permeate the community of policy experts, staffers, donors, and media pundits who constitute our political ecosphere.

Earlier this year, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, an elderly individual with unabashed socialistic views, was interviewed by Vox‘s Ezra Klein, and explained that “of course” heavy foreign immigration—let alone “open borders”—represented the economic dream of extreme free market libertarians such as the Koch brothers, since that policy would obviously drive down the wages of workers and greatly advantage Capital at the expense of Labor. These notions scandalized his neoliberal interlocutor, and the following day another Vox colleague joined in the attack, harshly denouncing the candidate’s views as “ugly” and “wrongheaded,” while instead pointing to the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal as the proper font of progressive economic doctrine. Faced with such sharp attacks by young and influential Democratic pundits less than half his age, Sanders soon retreated from his simple statement of fact, and henceforth avoided raising the immigration issue during the remainder of his campaign.

Only a brash, self-funded billionaire contemptuous of establishment wisdom would challenge this bipartisan immigration consensus among our political elites, and only a prominent celebrity could launch his campaign with sufficient visibility to achieve a media breakthrough. This seemed an unlikely combination of traits to find in one individual, but the unlikely occurred, and our national politics has been upended.

There had already been strong previous indications of this smoldering political volcano among voters, though these signs were repeatedly ignored or discounted by the DC Republican appartachiks who spent their time attending each others’ receptions and fundraisers. During the 2014 election cycle, immigration was a key issue behind the stunning defeat of Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who lost to an unknown primary challenger whom he outspent 40-to-1, constituting one of the greatest upsets in Congressional history. Prior to that, anti-immigration Tea Party insurgents had ended the long careers of incumbent Republican senators Bob Bennett of Utah in 2010 and Richard Lugar of Indiana in 2012.

 

Compounding the psychological pressure driving the politics of immigration has been the role of the mainstream media in fostering a sense of beleaguerment and marginalization within America’s shrinking white majority. Because of the huge rise in the Hispanic and Asian populations over the last fifty years, the relative percentage of blacks had increased only slightly, going from 11% to 12%, but nonetheless black media visibility had massively expanded, whether in sports, entertainment, news reports, or even advertising. Therefore, as far back as the 1990s, Gallup polls indicated that the average American believed that our national population was already one-third black, and already minority-white given the estimates of Hispanics and other non-white subgroups.

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Meanwhile, the less than even-handed attitude of our national elites towards ethnic activism has hardly helped ameliorate the political situation. A strident Black Nationalist such as Malcolm X was widely condemned during his own lifetime as an extremist advocate of violence, yet he has now been honored with a U.S. postage stamp, while today a lifelong racial activist such as Al Sharpton has his own MSNBC cable television show and received 80-odd invitations to the White House over the last few years. Such treatment seems very different from what their white-activist counterparts, either past or present, might expect to receive. Trump publicly denounced the Mexican-American federal judge hearing his legal case as being ethnically biased against him, citing the latter’s membership in a La Raza Lawyers Association. The organization in question seems rather innocuous and Trump’s accusation weak, but one wonders whether a Caucasian affiliated with a similar white-advocacy group containing “the Race” in its title would have ever even been nominated to the bench, let alone successfully confirmed.

In late July, Avik Roy, a Republican intellectual of South Asian ancestry, declared with anguish that he had completely misunderstood the true nature of the political party he had long and diligently served. He and his Beltway friends—the wonks and ideologues of Conservativism, Inc.—had spent years earnestly debating health care reform, targeted tax cuts, and free trade promotion, assuming that such policies and principles were similarly inspiring the voters who elected their Republican candidates to office. And then Trump, with harsh, racially-charged rhetoric, diametrically opposing policy views, and a negligible advertising budget crushed all those prominent national leaders at the ballot box. According to Roy, he and all his conservative friends and patrons had been living “in a kind of bubble,” believing that their voters cared about their “philosophical, economic conservatism,” but they were entirely mistaken: “In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.” Indeed, over the last few months, some analysts have suggested that mainstream conservative leaders have been unmasked as generals commanding a ghost army, representing an ideological movement that never really existed.

Commentary-Unz For nearly twenty years, I have been arguing that a shrinking white majority, endlessly poked and prodded by diversitarian cultural provocations and fearful of falling into oppressed minority status, might erupt into a nationalistic movement organized along white racial lines, perhaps seizing the Republican Party as its vehicle. I take no great pleasure that my concerns are being echoed much more widely today.

Pro-Immigrant Democrats and Anti-Immigration Republicans • 1,500 Words

So much for the diagnosis. Donald Trump is obviously a highly flawed candidate who may or may not win the presidency in five weeks time; but even if he ultimately falls short, recognition of the previously unsuspected power of the popular forces he has unleashed will have permanently altered the American political landscape. Allowing sharp racial polarization to dominate the politics of a nation that is already almost 40% non-white seems a very dangerous situation. Immigration ranks as the hottest of the newly emergent issues that have propelled Trump to the nomination. Does there exist any room for a mutually agreeable compromise?

The possibility might appear remote given that the two sides apparently have such diametrically opposed interests. A Trumpized Republican Party seems overwhelmingly hostile to immigration, while its Democratic counterpart draws much of its political strength from immigrants, who, together with their friends, relatives, and ideological allies, constitute a large portion of its electoral base.

Since the early 2000s the primary goal of pro-immigrant advocates has been allowing the 11 million or more undocumented immigrants to “come out of the shadows” by legalizing their status, and most of the Republican Party establishment has supported several attempts over the last dozen years to achieve exactly this result via Congressional legislation. Yet despite the backing of broad coalitions representing enormous financial resources and business lobbying power, all these efforts have failed, breaking upon the rocks of a scrappy alliance of far smaller and less wealthy grassroots anti-immigration groups. And now this opposing anti-immigration coalition has demonstrated its powerful appeal at the national level and seized control of the Republican Party. If a pro-immigrant Democratic Party has repeatedly failed to pass legislation backed by pro-immigration Republican leaders, can there be any possible hope of success after that Republican Party has become so stridently anti-immigration?

Strangely enough, the answer is yes, and the outlines of a potentially viable deal may even be visible. The crucial insight is recognizing that “pro-immigrant” policies are not necessarily the same as “pro-immigration” policies, and indeed may be exactly the opposite.

This is more than merely a play upon words. Most of the powerful, immigrant-focused groups within the Democratic coalition are primarily concerned with the well-being of existing immigrants, whether legal or illegal, and have only a secondary interest in future levels of immigration. Meanwhile, the overriding goal of the leading forces in the anti-immigration camp is to drastically reduce current immigration levels, and while they would dearly like to dislodge those immigrants already here, most quietly recognize that achieving that goal may not be politically practical.

Indeed, the commonality of interests between these two seemingly opposed ideological camps may actually be far greater than is usually recognized. The fundamental law of supply and demand dictates that the more individuals who occupy a particular market niche, the weaker becomes their economic bargaining power and the lower their incomes. Thus, existing dentists or taxi drivers have a strong vested interest in supporting restrictive licensing barriers preventing others from entering their profession and competing against them. Exactly the same is true of existing immigrants, who frequently face new immigrants as their most direct economic competitors, and hence may often become strong opponents of further immigration.

This has certainly been a common pattern in the past. For example, Samuel Gompers, founding president of the American Federation of Labor (AFL), was himself a European immigrant but also became a leading champion of the restrictive immigration laws of the 1920s, which drastically reduced the flow of additional European immigrants and thereby protected his union members against impoverishment. Much more recently, the same was true with labor leader Cesar Chavez, today enshrined as the foremost Hispanic icon in the progressive pantheon. It is a little known fact that for decades Chavez was one of America’s leading opponents of immigration, especially of the undocumented variety, endlessly denouncing the government’s laxity in enforcing immigration laws and even going so far as to organize numerous vigilante patrols along the Mexican border, not dissimilar from those of the controversial Minutemen activists of the 2000s.

 

But if immigrants themselves have such strong economic reasons to oppose continuing heavy immigration, why in modern America have they almost invariably become leading political opponents of the anti-immigration groups advocating exactly those same policies? The obvious explanation has been the extreme heavy-handedness of many on the anti-immigration side, who have often resorted to crude ethnic attacks or unwarranted vilification in making their case.

TAC-HispanicCrime1 A perfect example of this self-defeating behavior came from Trump’s own campaign after the immigration issue caught fire following a July 2015 fatal shooting in San Francisco. A young white woman died at the hands of a undocumented Mexican felon, recently released from jail rather than deported due to lax “Sanctuary City” policies, and the resulting media firestorm was enormous. Later investigation revealed that the shooting itself was clearly accidental, and the annual number of ordinary whites murdered by illegal immigrants seems almost microscopically small, but Trump’s crude denunciations of Mexican immigrants as “rapists and killers” naturally provoked outrage within the Hispanic community.

A subtle factor driving the counter-productive tactics of many anti-immigration groups may be their severe misperception of the nature of the conflict. There is a common tendency in politics to commit the error of ideological projection, thereby assuming, often implicitly, that the motivations of one’s opponents are the mirror-image of one’s own. So the politically-fearful white racial-activists who largely dominate the anti-immigration movement naturally believe that Hispanic immigrants are similarly motivated, and that the goal of their leaders is to swamp the country with more of their own background, thereby allowing them to seize political power along ethnic lines. However, there seems little evidence for this, with most Hispanics being rather conflicted about future immigration, though they generally do support humane treatment for those immigrants who are already here and might circle the political wagons if they perceive their community is under unfair racial attack. Thus, many anti-immigration leaders probably consider themselves locked into a zero-sum ethnic political struggle that does not necessarily exist.

Meanwhile, Hispanic leaders and other immigrant advocates probably exhibit a similar misunderstanding about the true priorities of their opponents in the anti-immigration camp. For tactical political reasons, the latter almost invariably focus their rhetorical fire upon the undocumented, partly because the phrase “illegal immigrant” seems to conjure up the image of a dangerous foreign criminal, while terms like “legal immigrant” or “refugee” have much more positive psychological connotations. But this subterfuge masks the true goals and concerns of that movement. Whether motivated by fears of white racial displacement, destructive economic competition for native workers, or even merely the harms of unchecked population growth, nearly all anti-immigration groups are actually just as concerned about legal immigration as the undocumented type. For them, total numbers are the central issue—indeed, the largest such organization styles itself “NumbersUSA”—and since legal entrants always represent the bulk of the overall flow, legal immigration is their true primary target.

In actuality, the leading opponents of the anti-immigration camp may be found within the mainstream business community, much of which considers a heavy, continuing flow of immigrants, legal or otherwise, as an important source of low-cost labor that also exerts powerful downward pressure upon the wages of all other working-class employees. But although such pro-business elements have traditionally dominated the politics of the Republican Party, these are exactly the interest groups that have frequently been routed politically by anti-immigration grassroots rightwingers in Republican primaries and have now suffered the same fate at the presidential level, as the Trump campaign crushed their favored candidates. So given their current weakness, they would probably be unable to block a political package supported by a strange-bedfellows alliance of pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans.

One of the factors potentially driving such an unlikely historic coalition would be the simple fact that each of these groups is extremely dissatisfied with the status quo and desperate for change, but neither separately has any realistic chance of achieving its goals in the foreseeable future. Only some sort of unexpected “grand bargain” crossing ideological lines might break the current political deadlock.

For almost twenty years, immigrant advocates have been pressing for measures to lighten the burden of illegality that weighs upon so many millions of families in their community, and all these efforts have invariably failed. Passing any sort of “amnesty” proposal would require control of the House together with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and the likelihood of this happening in the foreseeable future is not high.

Meanwhile, annual immigration rates, legal and illegal combined, have easily exceeded a million a year for most of the last generation, and all but the most unrealistic anti-immigration leaders must recognize that there exists little political hope of ever enacting Congressional legislation to reduce these numbers under existing political alignments. Instead, they have merely been fighting—and winning—a long series of defensive battles against “amnesty” and further expanded open borders proposals.

Thus, these two powerful ideological coalitions have fought each other to a complete stalemate, and each also views the current situation as totally unacceptable. But if they were to join forces, both might achieve their fondest goals while sacrificing relatively little in return.

Outlines of a Possible “Grand Bargain” • 1,700 Words

What might be the principal components of a legislative package able to bridge such a seemingly wide ideological chasm between pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans?

  • Enacting Large, Permanent Cuts to Legal Immigration

One central element would be large, permanent cuts in the rate of legal immigration. As mentioned, the bulk of these new arrivals tend to be eager workers, who exert severe downward wage pressure on their working-class competitors, with previous immigrants probably suffering the most economic damage. American business interests may benefit in the short run by keeping their labor costs as low as possible, but our working population suffers, and the resulting low-wage society reduces the consumer spending that drives our economy.

Furthermore, such elevated levels of immigration over the last few decades have led to an American population growth rate that is exceptionally high for a developed country. An exponentially growing population drives up housing prices and other asset values, greatly increasing the wealth of the One Percent but further injuring the economic prospects of ordinary Americans and worsening our economic inequality. I think it is hardly coincidental that the last forty years of high immigration rates have exactly coincided with forty years of economic stagnation for most ordinary Americans, together with an unprecedented concentration of wealth at the top.

Permanently reducing the rate of legal immigration, perhaps by a factor of 50% or more, would solve many of these problems, with the exact allocation of the remaining slots being subject to negotiation.

  • Raising the Minimum Wage
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Obviously, large cuts in legal immigration would be meaningless unless the legislative package also contained credible means of drastically reducing future illegal immigration, a promise often made but never kept. However, a crucial difference is that the prospective political coalition being assembled would exclude most of the traditionally pro-immigration, pro-business wing of the Republican Party, thereby allowing a much different approach to the issue, which might also greatly broaden the potential popular appeal.

For example, I have long argued that the best and most effective means of reducing illegal immigration is a large increase in the minimum wage.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants come to America for jobs, and our pundits are correct in saying “they take the jobs that Americans won’t.” But the reason that Americans won’t take those jobs is often that the wages are just too low. Only recently-arrived illegal immigrants are desperate enough to take many of those terrible, low-paying jobs.

A large hike in the federal minimum wage—perhaps to $12 per hour—would eliminate this problem. Americans and established immigrants would flock to such positions once the wages were more reasonable, while the relatively small number of jobs that disappear would be those that require exploitation of an ultra-low-wage workforce, jobs that should have no place in a developed economy.

Enforcing minimum wage laws is far easier than enforcing immigration laws, and penalties could be strengthened for cases of serious “wage theft.” Once the magnetic lure of low-wage job openings had vanished, other immigration enforcement measures would immediately become much more effective, and future inflows could be reduced to minimal levels. In effect, a high and strictly enforced minimum wage functions as an invisible economic wall, probably much more effective at deterring border-crossers than anything built of concrete and steel.

Meanwhile, a much higher minimum wage would also automatically reduce many of means-tested social welfare benefits currently going to low wage workers. American businesses would be forced to pay their own employees rather than shift so much of the cost to ordinary American taxpayers.

Over the last few years, raising the federal minimum wage has become a central policy goal of most Democrats, but has invariably been blocked in Congress by conservative Republicans. However, once that proposal is reframed as an immigration control measure and embedded within a much broader package focused on that issue, many of the more rightwing Republicans would probably come on board, propelled by their stridently anti-immigration base. Meanwhile, incorporating a large minimum wage hike would guarantee the enthusiasm of those Democrats less concerned with immigration issues.

  • Dealing Humanely with Illegal Immigrants

A much higher minimum wage combined with strengthened immigration enforcement measures should be able to reduce future illegal immigration to minimal levels, while large, permanent cuts in legal immigration should eliminate the population pressure driving America toward becoming a low-wage society and reducing the quality-of-life for American workers.

But any agreement on these necessary longer-term policies would also have to deal humanely with millions of existing undocumented residents, who had arrived during an era when the government did not seriously enforce its immigration laws.

Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members.

Meanwhile, a large hike in the minimum wage and stronger employment enforcement laws would eliminate the jobs of many of lower-skilled immigrant workers too recently arrived to qualify for a change in status. Such existing illegal residents should be offered free transportation back to their home countries, together with a generous one-time cash settlement, perhaps as high as $5,000 or even $10,000 per adult, encouraging them to come forward and accept permanent deportation, an investment that would be very cost-effective for the American taxpayer. (Naturally such payments would require a written commitment not to return, enforced by serious criminal penalties.) With their jobs having disappeared, it seems likely that most of the more recently arrived immigrants would find such a financial offer very attractive, completely obviating the need for any harsh federal “deportation force.”

  • Reforming the Abusive H-1B Immigration Visa System

One of the strongest constituencies currently backing higher levels of immigration is Silicon Valley, primarily due to the acute shortage of H-1B visas for specially skilled foreigners, now capped at 85,000 per year.

However, as a series of articles in the New York Times has demonstrated, this shortage is entirely artificial. Outsourcing companies have been gaming the H-1B system and capturing the bulk of the visas, then using these to import large numbers of low-wage immigrants as replacements for experienced, higher-paid American tech workers. Thus, the poorly-designed current visa system severely undercuts middle class wages while also harming the international competitiveness of America’s best technology firms by unreasonably restricting their own supply of elite foreign hires.

An effective means of addressing this situation would be to reform the H-1B system by having the government auction off the visas, thereby ensuring that they go to those companies for which they provide the greatest economic value. Such a bidding process would also end the ongoing job loss and downward wage pressure experienced by regular workers in the industry.

Incorporating such H-1B visa changes into the proposed immigration reform package might have an excellent chance of bringing major elements of the powerful technology industry into the political coalition supporting the legislation. Meanwhile, since the overall number of such visas would remain unchanged, anti-immigration groups are unlikely to protest this change, while tech worker organizations might become enthusiastic at the prospects of finally ending of the continual downward wage-pressure they have long been experiencing at the hands of low-end outsourcing companies.

 

Decades of angry and fruitless struggle over immigration issues have surely persuaded most cynical observers that any significant change—let alone a major breakthrough—is almost impossible, and the hardened political trench-lines are unlikely to be broken for the foreseeable future. Lobbyists still promise eventual victory, thereby collecting their regular paychecks from donors, while activists continue organizing their protests, but few others believe that anything will ever actually happen.

However, an unexpected strategic realignment, joining America’s leading pro-immigrant and anti-immigration forces, would completely transform this deadlocked political landscape, cutting across the defensive lines in diagonal fashion and creating possibilities where none had previously existed. Such an unlikely alliance would also surely attract the sort of intense media coverage able to focus enormous national attention on the issue, thereby pressuring our elected officials to produce actual legislation.

Furthermore, this sort of a trans-ideological alliance might also help soften the exceptional bitterness that currently pervades the immigration debate, as the various zealous partisans discovered to their amazement that their longtime adversaries were not necessarily so hostile to their own primary objectives. Given America’s enormous ideological and ethnic diversity, healing these existing national wounds would be a very welcome development.

Many political analysts might reject this sort of scenario as a pipe-dream, believing that no political conflict so contentious and longstanding—especially one possessing such strong ethnic overtones—could possibly be resolved in so simple and relatively amicable a fashion. Yet ironically enough, something very similar happened less than twenty years ago on another such issue, itself also closely tied to immigration.

For decades, one of America’s most bitter educational struggles, heavily laced with ethnically divisive rhetoric, had centered on the issue of so-called “bilingual education,” namely whether young immigrant children should be taught for years in their own native language or instead should be immersed in English from their first day of school. Opponents of these programs, ranging from mainstream conservatives to anti-immigrant activists, regularly denounced them as motivated by Latino separatism, perhaps even laying the groundwork for an eventual secessionist movement along the lines of the French population of Quebec. Meanwhile, outraged Latino politicians and liberal activists energetically defended that system, regularly accusing its critics of racist or nativist sentiments. The harsh rhetoric and angry partisans on both sides poisoned the public dialogue and the likelihood of any resolution seemed minimal.

However, in the late 1990s, I and several others launched a major project to shift the debate from the ideological to the practical and pedagogical, focusing on the simple question of whether or not the programs actually worked, and catalyzing our efforts around a series of successful ballot initiatives. Prompted by this campaign, the national media began exploring these entirely different issues, and soon discovered that English language immersion was much more successful, as well as also being far more popular among actual immigrant Latino families themselves. As a consequence, native-language instruction programs gradually faded from the national curriculum, and indeed the very term “bilingual education” has largely disappeared from the media lexicon over the last dozen years. A decades-long political conflict, bitter and ethnically-charged, evaporated so completely that a younger generation may scarcely be aware that it ever even existed.

We can only hope that our ongoing “Immigration Wars” might similarly be resolved and almost totally forgotten within such a short period of time. Another twenty years of total political deadlock on the issue might be disastrous.

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  1. A major reason the pro-immigration forces are pushing for “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” is that if they do not ‘hang together, they will hang separately”. Allowing everyone to stay and putting up no substantial barriers to future immigration is their lowest common denominator so it is what they default to. Driven by money and racism, the pro-immigration side, which is a minority of the population, has diligently stuck together even though many parts of their coalition have very little in common with the other parts. What the HB1s, wetbacks, the refugee racket, and the family reunification lobbies have in common is that by themselves they cannot win so they have created this unholy alliance and put the capstone of CIR on the top.

    One of the real dangers of a Trump Presidency is that he will start picking apart the coalition before they can strike their grand bargain. Just simply building a fence or requiring employment eligibility verification is all it would take to get the ball rolling. Once certain segments of the coalition have been knocked out or forced to concede, the remaining ones will have less leverage.

    To steal a metaphor from the other side, the pro-immigration forces reminds me of a fortress consisting of a wall which is protected by two large towers (the ethnic lobby and the cheap labor lobby). The towers are there to protect the wall, and then the adjoining towers protect each other.
    When someone asks the cheap labor tower why we need more stoop labor, they will reply with how wonderful these people are and how they enrich our lives. When someone asks the ethnic tower why we need more of the same their reply is always that we could not possibly exist with out maids and short order cooks. Each constituent part cannot protect or justify themselves alone because no one would tolerate someone from the Ag lobby saying that it is less profitable to grow less labor intensive crops or mechanize or someone from the ethnic lobby saying that their people have a right to take over even if that is exactly what they are trying to do.

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    Don't forget the do gooder lobby and the billions of dollars in taxpayers money it gets. I referrer to the Lutherans, Jews, Catholics, Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists and numerous religious charities that dump the most primitive savages in American towns. Probably the Lutherans went around the world and picked Somalians and other Africans who are the worst of the worst but all are culpable.

    One hundred years ago an ambitious young person who didn't have a job started his own business. Nowdays, an ambitious person who doesn't have a job files for a non profit corporation, hires a commission grant writer who is paid a percentage of the grants obtained and becomes rich as executive director of a do gooder non profit.

    AAny immigration reform needs to go after the do gooder non profits
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  2. Great ideas, and I applaud you, except:

    “Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members.”

    Another amnesty? After the last one caused another 50 million to flood across? What about the millions who legally applied and are still waiting for their legal entry? And no criminal record doesn’t mean no criminal activity. Illegal entry is a crime. Applying for a job is a crime. Not filing federal and state income tax returns is a crime. Applying for benefits with another’s SSN or a TIN is a crime. And then you run into Obama’s edicts that misdemeanors are not really crimes, and neither are “non-serious” felonies.

    And what about the billions of dollars of unpaid hospital bills for things like child birth? Few can live illegally in the USA for years without engaging in criminal activity. Moreover, what message does another amnesty send to the billions of prospective illegal immigrants throughout the world? Finally, what about the millions of poor Americans denied a job because it was given to a foreigner who came here illegally?

    All this is summed up in basic parenting: You cannot reward bad behavior! Illegal means illegal. Deport. And if they choose to abandon their children, it reflects their values, or desperation. Perhaps the world’s richest man, Mexico’s Carlos Slim, owner of our New York Times, can employ them in Mexico!

    Another amnesty means another 20 million border jumpers over the next decade. The last thing this USA needs in this era of automation are more unskilled workers! Be humane, send them home.

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    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn't want any change, he's a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.
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    ......and all those illegals will leave rather than take a $15/hr job ????
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  3. L.A. County has 1500 outstanding warrants for illegal aliens, 1200 are for murder and/or rape. White European men established and defined the USA, why are we allowing non Europeans even into the discussion? The founding fathers clearly intended this nation to be for white Europeans.

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    I hope then that you're not Irish, Italian, Greek or Slavic. This country was never meant for "all white people" or "all European people." This country was created by Anglo-Germanic protestants FOR Anglo-Germanic protestants. Shall we send back all the other "lesser European groups" as well?
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  4. Discard says:

    No compromise. I want my country back. These imports are not American, no matter if they memorized the Constitution and can recite it at will. Note how Avik Roy and his friends could not understand that we Americans want our own country, run in our interests, and respectful of our traditions and culture. They are NOT assimilated. Any compromise is merely a truce, until the foreigners outnumber us in every age cohort, at which time they resume their conquest.

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    Yes. We want our country back, and we want the likes of Avik Roy deported, if possible. The world, outside countries settled by a few northwestern european, votes ethnically and jealously guards the culture and leadership of ethnic majorities. Whites in America and a few other countries have been hoodwinked into supporting people who dislike their culture and have no allegiance to the people who built the US (and UK, and France, Sweden, Germany, etc), without the help of whiny minority groups. Either white Americans wake up, or they will be living in a 3d world hellhole within 30 years....
    , @Buck Turgidson
    AGREED. Why the heck should we compromise on this issue that Ted Kennedy and Congress lied to us about, and has been shoved down our throat and against our wishes for the past 50 years? How about, for a change, the American people make the decision on this issue that so greatly affects their country and not have CA run the show? I'll "compromise" with a full moratorium on all immigration, deportation of illegals, and also deportation of muslims. How is that for a compromise. I wanted to deport all foreigners but since I am such a reasonable collaborative softie, I'll meet the forces of immigration halfway.
    , @MBlanc46
    Never. Never. Never. This is the hill we've got to die on. Giving in means obliteration.
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  5. Trelane says:

    Circa 1900 more than 57% of Americans had blue eyes. By 1950 this was down to 34% and today blue eyes are found in only 16% of the population. By 2100 only 1% of people in America will have blue eyes (it is estimated). Only 22% of today’s American whites have blue eyes. (Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color).

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    I'm a pro-white white guy, but the loss of blue eyes, red hair, and ultra-fair skin doesn't bother me in the least. It's all just melanoma and macular degeneration waiting to happen.

    I happen to be in possession of two and a half of those (red facial hair), and it's no picnic to know that being caught in the sun for a few hours would result in third degree burns.
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  6. Trelane says:

    Don’t like blue eyes? Then your wish is coming true. But >50% of Ashkenazic Jews have baby blues so what are you, an antidentite? Damn antidentite.

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  7. eah says:

    What’s “broken” about it? — I realize today it’s practically a cliche to say it’s “broken”, but I still don’t know what that means — because no one ever says.

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    Talk of a "grand bargain" reminds me of this ancient (2002) Juan Mann article on vdare.com about the EOIR (Executive Office for Immigration Review): ...as every insider knows, "it's not over until the alien wins."
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What’s “broken” about it? — I realize today it’s practically a cliche to say it’s “broken”, but I still don’t know what that means — because no one ever says.
     
    It's not broken to the other side. Works fine for them!
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  8. Trelane says:

    Even this guy’s got blue eyes

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  9. Trelane says:

    Tangled up in blue this guy is.

    I lived within on Montegue street in the basement down the stairs, there was music in the cafes at night and revolution in the air…

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  10. TangoMan says:

    Frankly I don’t see the incentive for anti-immigration advocates to compromise. Existing laws allow for mass deportation. The problem here is logistical and media-sensitive.

    The issue, to paraphrase Bill Clinton “It’s the Demographics, Stupid.” Any legalization simply strengthens the hands of Democrats and their minority coalition and weakens White cultural America. This is the issue that needs to be solved before any compromise can be effected.

    There is already an awakened sense of “reverse racism” against Whites, what with all of the Affirmative Action, job quotas, minority contracting set asides, anti-discrimination laws. These are all tools of oppression and dispossession which work to steal the legacy left for White Americans by their ancestors. Those ancestors worked to make America better for their children, not for people newly arrived from Honduras and Somalia and China.

    We’ve had 50 years of policies designed to dispossess Whites from the nation built for them by their ancestors, so if compromise is the goal, then there should be on offer similar programs, lasting 50 years, which are designed to undo the damage already inflicted and boost the White demographic back up to 85% of the total population. Anything less simply normalizes the demographic inertia (which keep in mind is not some passive event but is the result of choices made in the past) that is turning America into a minority-majority nation replete with government policies designed to disadvantage Whites in the society that their ancestors developed for THEM.

    The existing system of racial preferences are unjust and so a compromise which preserves injustice doesn’t seem to be a wise path forward for it simply embeds the injustice ever deeper into a foundation which will never be overturned.

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    Best response without even reading any further.
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  11. edNels says:

    Your English immersion for school kids is right. No matter what the future demographic may be, today, English is yet the predominant language that is expected to be spoken for any prospective new hire, Hb1 visas included.

    The literate world understands English, though they may persist in speaking their native tongue, those myriad languages hang by a thread and in coming times only English will be able to bridge the gap and ultimately be a world speak. It’s in the cards, that’s the way it breaks, sorry French, German, Spanish, Chinese/various etc.

    And on the Swedes invading Mexico idear… Norway and Sweden together could make about 1.5 m pop. to Mexico’s 125m, Mexico City alone could absorb all of Scandinavia, it might go ok if they can figure out how to make a good herring taco.

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    http://www.unz.com/announcement/improving-comment-threads/

    [Using two different handles to pretend you're two different individuals, with entirely different views and commenting style, is absolutely prohibited here. The jig is up and all your comments will soon get merged under a single handle, making you look ridiculous and totally dishonest.]

    wrong. Sverige o Norge are more like 15 million..That was a typo...However I wonder how that would work, if Scandihoovians couls break loose from their midnight son... and go to a sunny clime.. other than Canary... where I did go... I was there, I swam with the sharks.. Idrove a renta car all around that Gran Canariy... I saw the dry side, and the wet side...really interesting that how the clouds come in on (little cats feet... over the harber etc...)

    Hey you guys need to develop some sense of humor... That is what is sorly laking here Ron!
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  12. Clyde says:

    Since the early 2000s the primary goal of pro-immigrant advocates has been allowing the 11 million or more undocumented immigrants to “come out of the shadows” by legalizing their status……

    That 11 million number has been floated for at least 15 years. The real number of illegals must be minimum 25 million and probably more like 33. Plus we get swamped by their anchor babies who never should have been born on US soil in the first place. Brietbart had a report that 70,000 Central Americans youths and others have come to our border since January. Have declared for asylum and are now living in America. They have future court dates that most will not show up for. I suppose they are not counted in your obsolete 11 million illegal aliens number.

    by Neil Munro 28 Jul 2016
    President Barack Obama has allowed some 400,000 unskilled Central American migrants to pour into the nation’s schools, job-markets, welfare offices, hospitals and jails since 2012, according to government data.

    By the end of June, he had cleared the path for 214,982 “unaccompanied” youths plus 181,456 women and children to come in to the country since October 2012. That adds up to 396,428 migrants — with three months to go before the end of the 2016 fiscal year in October. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/28/president-obama-allows-400000-migrants-from-central-america-since-2012/

    Also

    http://cuellar.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=399541

    My solution to legal immigration is that the 100 most wealthy American zip codes must take in 10,000 illegal aliens and regugees and provide housing for them. Plus jobs and welfare if needed.

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    CORRECTION:
    My solution to illegal immigration is that the 100 most wealthy American zip codes must each take in 10,000-20,000 illegal aliens and refugees and provide housing for them. Plus jobs and welfare if needed.
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  13. LouSurfer says:

    Forget 11 million. Let’s send back 75 million. It’s that or get ready for a race war in the future. America is not a proposition nation, and if it was, it still wouldn’t be because assimilation has been failing for a LONG time.

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    I hope you understand that, if America is not a "proposition nation," that many European groups will have to go back as well.
    As much as your kind would love to think otherwise, this was never a country "for all white people." You'd best learn that now.
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  14. Ron’s proposal sounds reasonable, in that it correctly identifies the real problem as future immigration numbers. It is good to see him come to this conclusion. It is also nice that he correctly describes why more and more white Americans have reached the breaking point — and thus why they are voting the way they are now.

    I’m happy to hear that maybe there is common ground that can become the foundation for an agreed-upon policy.

    In related news, Hungarian voters seem to be in agreement regarding what is happening to them, but they didn’t quite manage to turn out 50% of their electorate:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37528325

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    Interesting. I wonder what a usual turnout would be for Hungary. Given the numbers:

    Nearly 98% of those who took part supported the government's call to reject the EU plan.
    But only 43% of the electorate voted, short of the 50% required to be valid.
     
    and assuming a usual turnout of 80% (which seems high to me) it looks like they are trying to finagle a no (not reject) vote with what would be a minority supporting their position in a typical election. Perhaps it's time to present the measure in the opposite fashion and play the same game.
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  15. Clyde says:

    I see no mention of a tight system of walls and fences on our Mexican border. We also need to computerize, enter into a central database, all people entering and exiting our legal ports of entry. With biometrics recorded for all who are not US citizens. The present system is in chaos which is just how the DC elites like it.

    -Mandate and enforce e-verify in all work places.

    -Make all state welfare rolls, food stamps/EBT, subsidized housing etc off limits for illegal aliens. States that do not comply get some Federal funding cut off.

    -Another disincentive for illegal immigration: Lawsuits and legislation are needed to get an honest interpretation of the 14th Amendment that removes automatic US citizenship for anchor babies.

    We do the above and at least half our illegal aliens will self deport *plus* lots fewer will try to get here in the first place.

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  16. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    By 2015 there had been a 700% increase in the total number of Hispanics and Asians and the black population was nearly 100% larger, while the number of (non-Hispanic) whites had grown less than 25%

    Are Hispanics white people too?
    I don’t know. When it’s about crime statistics, they are.
    When it’s about affirmative action, they aren’t.
    I take it they are when it happens to be convenient, and the other way round.

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    In some ways, the Latinos are more like Hillbilly whites in West Virginia behind in education and job skills but better than blacks. Its complex, lots of Trump followers would do the security but cut down on Mexicans making better money. Mexicans that make better money like worked for Ford are less likely to want to head to El Norte. An idea which is more Ron Unz is a minium wage for US companies doing manufacturing in Mexico at least 3 an hour. This will bring up non manufacturing service jobs in Mexico to around 1.50 an hour. It would be interesting if you could get Republicans and Democratic to support minium wages for different third world countries. The poorest would start out at .90 cent per hour and the more developed like Mexico and China would be at 3 an hour. This adjustment changes over a decade where Mexico and China is kick up to 4 an hour for US Companies while poorer countries would be bumped to 1.5 to 2 an hour. This is another way to stopped companies wanting to go overseas as much and boosting some of the wage sin the third world, less reason to come to the US.
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  17. Randal says:

    A noble effort from a voice of reason.

    Sadly, I believe, most likely doomed to failure. The facts described in the first three paragraphs make clear that the US is already doomed to a future of competing ethnic/racial lobbies carving up the spoils between them. It’s not a question of if the white group wakes up to the need to join the competition, but when. Will it be when they amount to 50%, or 40%, or less? The longer it is delayed by the doomed propaganda efforts of the globalist elites, the harder and more ruthless the future will be for America.

    Unz describes the kind of solution a well intentioned intelligent observer would prescribe, given the situation he has correctly diagnosed. But politics and human nature imo simply do not work that way. Immigrant groups might serve the interests of the groups that are already here, but part of those interests lie in precisely not admitting even tacitly that it is in their interests to limit future imports of more of their own kind. They will largely be constitutionally incapable of adopting the kind of political positions Unz describes. Some might, at times, and future politics will no doubt turn on what particular alliances of ethnic/racial lobby groups are formed to take control of the governmental spoils system.

    The damage has largely already been done, and the appropriate emotional response, however destructive it might be, is a bitter hatred of those who have enabled (and still seek to further enable) the mass immigration Unz correctly observes as the essence of the problem. Some eventual appreciation of the voices who warned of the dangers in advance would be a nice bonus, at great cost to themselves at the hands of the currently powerful groups who themselves have benefitted, in the short run at least, from the policies of mass immigration.

    But the least that should be pursued now, as a matter of urgency, is a simple recognition at the popular cultural level that mass immigration is in most cases fundamentally an inherent evil for any society. The political response can only start from there.

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    A noble effort from a voice of reason.
     
    If you really think that, you've been suckered. This is just more of Unz's propaganda to do nothing while sounding like he has solutions.
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  18. Maj. Kong says:

    This is not a bargain.

    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples. That has been the supposed reason behind the last century of endless foreign wars.

    The base of white conservatism has been forced into the subsidisation of their own dispossession, and given cultural humiliation on top of it.

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.

    Ron, you would be better off petitioning for an independent California Republic. Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don’t like the diversity regime.

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    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples.
     
    "Ethnic continuity"? There is no such right.
    "self-determination of peoples"? This sounds like nonsense.


    Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don’t like the diversity regime.
     
    Oh, that's because it was nonsense. I like the diversity regime. Why are you trying to deny me my right to self-determination?
    , @dfordoom

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.
     
    Agreed, Cultural Marxism is the key, although I'd point out that Cultural Marxism is as much corporate-sponsored as state-sponsored. There was a time when the purpose of Cultural Marxism was to prepare the way for the Glorious Socialist Revolution. Nowadays the purpose of Cultural Marxism is to promote the interests of global capitalism.
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  19. jim jones says:

    My experience in London suggests that illegal immigrants work for cash in the restaurant industry, raising the minimum wage would have no effect in theses people.

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    But woudn't enforcement be easy if anyone really wanted it? Requiring proof that all the employees on the job at any given time were being paid the minimum wage would be the starting point.
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  20. artichoke says:

    Now that Trump looks like a possible winner — now you wheel out the compromise?

    If Hillary wins she do you think she would retreat to this? If Trump wins he should not, because he’s promised his supporters that illegals would not have a path to citizenship.

    Raising the minimum wage is also not a Trump issue, although I don’t recall if he’s taken a position on it. I think his idea is to provide better jobs and fewer low-skilled workers so that Americans aren’t required to worry about it.

    H-1B is inherently corrupt because most of the visa holders are graduating foreign students. To attend their educational programs in the USA, every single one of them swore to a US immigration officer in their home country that they had no intention to immigrate here. But there are no surprises any more, the USA is not some mysterious far away land that they can’t read about through the internet or talk to compatriots who went before them. No, they all intend to immigrate with rare exceptions. They are all liars under oath. That’s what we need to reform. Cut down the foreign student visas so graduate admission is more readily available to US students, even if a foreigner is more qualified.

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  21. KenH says:

    “In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”

    That’s stretching things just a wee bit. While an increasing number of whites are wary and distrustful of blacks and want the border sealed and illegal aliens deported, they have imbibed so much of the multicultural, egalitarian poison that the sweeping demographic changes don’t phase them very much since they are pious believers in the power of assimilation (of third world immigrants) much like a pious Muslim’s faith in Allah.

    The majority of whites are also economic determinists who reason (erroneously) that a strong economy equals good race relations not realizing that there are irreconcilable and biological differences among each group which inevitably cause friction. They quickly forget that, in the 1960′s, the economy was strong with blue collar jobs galore, but that didn’t stop the violent negro insurgency that would later come to be known as the so called civil rights movement.

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    It's better to face such an insurgency from a position of a strong position in society. In fact it's best of the blacks and whites are both better off, then they can be more independent and have racial self esteem on both sides. From such a position, a deal is possible.

    But before loving someone else, it's necessary to love oneself. We're not there at the moment.
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  22. Rehmat says:

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work – they’re still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    On August 25, Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report said: “Bernie Sanders and his supporters claim he is different, a breath of fresh air. Yet he “won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs” from Hillary Clinton and Republicans. “He doesn’t question why the US has the right to dictate policy to other nations, and “repeat the same discredited mantra” as Obama on the nuclear threat from Iran – a threat that even CIA has declared never existed. Socialism? He won’t even say the word.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

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    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.
     
    By that standard, every Arab in North Africa and the Levant is also an immigrant. And, as KSA and the Gulf States show, no work at all would be done without foreign labor if extractible wealth is available to pay for it.
    , @Rurik

    The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.
     
    and now we should let them return the favor, huh?

    White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work – they’re still living in their African slavery.
     
    the problem with white people isn't that they're incapable of hard work. Hardly (I should know ; ). Or that all of their prosperity is a direct consequence of African slavery. That's not only puerile and idiotic, it's hysterically inaccurate (and racist ; ).

    the problem with whites is that because they're so fundamentally kind and generous, that spiritually they're allowing themselves to be racially emasculated by an avalanche of hatred that's aimed at them from all the assorted the butt-hurt non-whites (and homos and fem-Nazis and Muslims and Jews) of the world, who lack the fortitude and intelligence to create that which white DNA created; the magnificent culture and cities and freedoms of the West. It is due to the accomplishments of the Western world that there's so much envy and consequent hatred for it and the attractive people (yet another reason they're envied and hated) who created it.

    Some ungrateful scum even condemn these amazing people and their sublime culture and accomplishments from the very hearth and home of the white societies who've invited them in, and where they enjoy the myriad fruits and generosity of. Can you imagine?

    Perhaps they should do their white neighbors they despise so much a big favor and slink back to the home of your fellow butt-hurt crybabies.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Rehmat, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    There were never more than a few million "aboriginals" living on the territory of the current USA and Canada before Europeans arrived.

    Why stop at your absurd claim of 100-150 million?

    Why not also write about the teeming cities, productive farms, gardens, factories, and infrastructure the aboriginals had, which we destroyed? Oh that's right, there were none.
    , @bomag
    Obviously, Rehmat is one of our glorious recent immigrants who spends his time criticizing historic America to enough applause that he comes here to lecture us on our faults.

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.

    The Originals are immigrants also. Otherwise your statement establishes everyone as having an equal claim to the US. Very convenient point for you.

    When occupation became expensive...

    No. There was great opportunity for building a nation, thanks to new inventions and their applications.

    It was these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    Few deny those contributions. But the contribution is vastly exaggerated today to the point where all immigrants are fetishized as an economic powerhouse that we desperately need lest we not be able to feed ourselves.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor

    You're not even trying. Our recent immigrant craze has coincided with an industrial shrinkage. The areas with growth have done so with machine labor. Most immigrants cost more than they contribute. If they were all that you think they are, they could produce in their home countries while creating and feeding a market there.
    , @Discard
    "...opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It 'were' these latter immigrants who played a major part in making (the) United States an industrial giant."

    Wrong. Chinese immigration was outlawed in 1880, IIRC. And there never were that many, and few of them ever made it east of the Mississippi, where almost all the industry was. And the Japanese immigrants were farmers and shopkeepers and remained so until after WW2.

    Wrong again. With the end of slavery, there was no immigration from Africa. The immigration of the later 19th Century was European. How can you be so ignorant? Let me guess...College?
    , @Nico

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.
     
    Thanks for the morning laugh.
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  23. How deluded do you have to be to believe that the political filth on the left would abide by any “Thus far and no farther” agreement?

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    How deluded do you have to be to believe that the political filth on the left would abide by any “Thus far and no farther” agreement?
     
    Someone as shrewd as Ronald Reagan got thus deluded. He probably bought the assurance that his old party wouldn't stab their old constituency in the back. But, as any Southerner of a certain vintage could tell you, they'll do that without pausing for breath. Their only constituency is the party itself.
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  24. nsa says:

    This article is a rare combination of hooey and fantasy. Americans are largely ahistorical…could even 1% of the population describe the feats of James K. Polk, America’s second greatest president after Washington? With very little effort, the great man stole half of Mexico and a large swath of Canada from the Brits (without firing a shot)…..all in one term. Mexicans know this and their simple primal plan is to take it back (the reconquista) and more through outright invasion across a pathetic non-defended border. “Grand Bargain” is a pipe dream….two peoples cannot occupy the same real estate peacefully…..this is especially true of differing races. History abounds with examples: Cyprus, Palestine, Bosnia, Turkey- Armenia, Iraq, Pakistan-India…..the list is endless. The choice is simple: either whitey defends his border and terminates immigration, legal and illegal, or the Mexicans eventually get it back through invasion and rampant breeding…history indicates there are no other possibilities.

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    With very little effort, the great man converted half of Mexico and a large swath of Canada from the Brits (without firing a shot)…..all in one term.
     
    Those other countries' claim to the land at that time was pretty feeble. The US investment and use of the land since that time has generated a claim that swamps the pitiful reconquista criminal activity.
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  25. Clyde says:
    @Clyde

    Since the early 2000s the primary goal of pro-immigrant advocates has been allowing the 11 million or more undocumented immigrants to “come out of the shadows” by legalizing their status......
     
    That 11 million number has been floated for at least 15 years. The real number of illegals must be minimum 25 million and probably more like 33. Plus we get swamped by their anchor babies who never should have been born on US soil in the first place. Brietbart had a report that 70,000 Central Americans youths and others have come to our border since January. Have declared for asylum and are now living in America. They have future court dates that most will not show up for. I suppose they are not counted in your obsolete 11 million illegal aliens number.

    by Neil Munro 28 Jul 2016
    President Barack Obama has allowed some 400,000 unskilled Central American migrants to pour into the nation’s schools, job-markets, welfare offices, hospitals and jails since 2012, according to government data.

    By the end of June, he had cleared the path for 214,982 “unaccompanied” youths plus 181,456 women and children to come in to the country since October 2012. That adds up to 396,428 migrants — with three months to go before the end of the 2016 fiscal year in October. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/28/president-obama-allows-400000-migrants-from-central-america-since-2012/
     

    Also
    http://cuellar.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=399541

    My solution to legal immigration is that the 100 most wealthy American zip codes must take in 10,000 illegal aliens and regugees and provide housing for them. Plus jobs and welfare if needed.

    CORRECTION:
    My solution to illegal immigration is that the 100 most wealthy American zip codes must each take in 10,000-20,000 illegal aliens and refugees and provide housing for them. Plus jobs and welfare if needed.

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  26. eD says:

    In policy terms I agree with this but not politically. This was the grand bargain that was enacted in 1986, and the cheap labor side reneged.

    Also one thing about this issue, and its a good part of the rationale for the Trump campaign, is that the laws currently on the books are more than sufficient to deal with the problem of illegal immigration, which is already by definition illegal. While there is an argument the legal immigration is too high as well, until the immigration laws are enforced there are simply no tools to deal with this. This means that this is almost purely a federal executive branch matter, meaning this is one case where electing a sympathetic President is a necessary, if not a sufficient, step.

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  27. For example, I have long argued that the best and most effective means of reducing illegal immigration is a large increase in the minimum wage.

    Indeed you have. And I have long suggested in the comments of those pieces that you adopt Randall Burns’s suggestion that the minimum wage be set much higher for non-citizens. (He says double; I say triple.)

    But no, it’s still the one-size-fits-all minimum.

    Say, how about requiring all prospective immigrants to pay full market price for their health care? Now that would lead to reductions!

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  28. @Bill Jones
    How deluded do you have to be to believe that the political filth on the left would abide by any "Thus far and no farther" agreement?

    How deluded do you have to be to believe that the political filth on the left would abide by any “Thus far and no farther” agreement?

    Someone as shrewd as Ronald Reagan got thus deluded. He probably bought the assurance that his old party wouldn’t stab their old constituency in the back. But, as any Southerner of a certain vintage could tell you, they’ll do that without pausing for breath. Their only constituency is the party itself.

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  29. @Rehmat
    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work - they're still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    On August 25, Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report said: “Bernie Sanders and his supporters claim he is different, a breath of fresh air. Yet he “won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs” from Hillary Clinton and Republicans. “He doesn’t question why the US has the right to dictate policy to other nations, and “repeat the same discredited mantra” as Obama on the nuclear threat from Iran – a threat that even CIA has declared never existed. Socialism? He won’t even say the word.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.

    By that standard, every Arab in North Africa and the Levant is also an immigrant. And, as KSA and the Gulf States show, no work at all would be done without foreign labor if extractible wealth is available to pay for it.

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    People who read Daniel Pipes' history of Muslims - become idiots like you.

    Arabs came to most African countries after the Dawn of Islam in 610 CE - especially after the Berber Muslims liberated Jew Serfs from Catholic-ruled Spain in 711 CE. Once the Spanish Jews became the elites in Muslim Spain - European Christians began throwing them out of Europe - at least 108 times.

    On December 14, 2015, two pro-Israel Jewish propaganda outlets, Washington Post and ABC News released result of their poll, asking participants whether American think Islam encourages violence. The poll found that only 28% of Americans agreed with the question (their information based on Jewish/Zionist Jingoism), while 54% called Islam a peaceful religion.

    Reformed Rabbi Allen S. Maller, led Temple Akiba in Culver City, CA for 39 years before retiring in 2006. He taught at University of Judaism in Las Angeles, and is author of several books and has penned columns for several Jewish publications. Rabbi Maller believes the West’s main problem with Islam is that it’s different philosophy from Judaism and Christianity. While both earlier Abrahamic religions got rid off religious ethics from politics, Islamic teachings refuse to separate religious ethics from politics and day-to-day social life.

    “Islam is not more violent than medieval Christianity or Biblical Judaism. But in the last two centuries, western democracies have learned the importance of the principle of separation of Church and State to civil peace. Also the wide spread separation of Church and State that is now normal in Europe and North America has kept religion out of political and military conflicts between different nations,” Rabbi Allen S. Maller said on December 28, 2015.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/01/02/rabbi-maller-islam-is-religion-of-tolerance/
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  30. All we have to do is enforce the law. The legal immigration problem can then be fixed and the slugs that insist on H1bs can be dealt with harshly.

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  31. An alliance of pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans could finally fix our broken system

    From whose point of view?

    The system will never be fixed except according to the whims of the de facto ruling classes at any given moment.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise would do well to read the excellent primer on American style corruption, “Stealing from America,”A History of Corruption from Jamestown to Reagan, by Nathan Miller.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/nathan-miller/stealing-from-america/

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  32. Rurik says:
    @Rehmat
    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work - they're still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    On August 25, Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report said: “Bernie Sanders and his supporters claim he is different, a breath of fresh air. Yet he “won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs” from Hillary Clinton and Republicans. “He doesn’t question why the US has the right to dictate policy to other nations, and “repeat the same discredited mantra” as Obama on the nuclear threat from Iran – a threat that even CIA has declared never existed. Socialism? He won’t even say the word.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

    The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    and now we should let them return the favor, huh?

    White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work – they’re still living in their African slavery.

    the problem with white people isn’t that they’re incapable of hard work. Hardly (I should know ; ). Or that all of their prosperity is a direct consequence of African slavery. That’s not only puerile and idiotic, it’s hysterically inaccurate (and racist ; ).

    the problem with whites is that because they’re so fundamentally kind and generous, that spiritually they’re allowing themselves to be racially emasculated by an avalanche of hatred that’s aimed at them from all the assorted the butt-hurt non-whites (and homos and fem-Nazis and Muslims and Jews) of the world, who lack the fortitude and intelligence to create that which white DNA created; the magnificent culture and cities and freedoms of the West. It is due to the accomplishments of the Western world that there’s so much envy and consequent hatred for it and the attractive people (yet another reason they’re envied and hated) who created it.

    Some ungrateful scum even condemn these amazing people and their sublime culture and accomplishments from the very hearth and home of the white societies who’ve invited them in, and where they enjoy the myriad fruits and generosity of. Can you imagine?

    Perhaps they should do their white neighbors they despise so much a big favor and slink back to the home of your fellow butt-hurt crybabies.

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    "The problem with whites is that because they’re so fundamentally kind and generous...."

    MAAN - you must have your brain hanging between your legs.

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called " kind and generous" White bloodsuckers?

    Johnny Punish, an American musician, poet and writer, published a list of Top Ten Most Wanted Global War Criminals - All WHITES - on his blog on March 20, 2013. Six of the top ten war criminals, Benjamin Netanyahu, Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch, Jamie Dimon, Hank Paulson and Paul Wolfowitz, are Jewish or have Jewish family roots. The remaining four are Christian Zionist Islamophobes, former president George Bush, former US vice-president Dick Cheney, former US secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld and former British prime minister Tony Blair.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/07/25/ten-top-global-war-criminals-all-non-muslims/
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  33. How soon we forget that many western US states had significant Hispanic, American Indian, and Asian demographics until the 1890s, that many southern states were majority Black – and that Benjamin Franklin had considered the Germans to be a race utterly alien to his own.

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today – and changed America into a nation of not only Protestants, but also Catholics and Jews.

    The Westphalian nation-state system is difficult to apply to cultures that have historically had a different concept of world order (like India, China, the Islamic world, the former Byzantine world) – so is it really appropriate to apply this concept to the US? Isn’t it time to break from the Old World?

    The ‘conservative utopia’ of the 50s and 60s – ‘Les Trentes Glorieuses‘ was pretty much an artifact of the postwar era. All signs point to countries like China and India never really attaining that level of prosperity. The West will never really attain that level of relative prosperity again either. Have we forgotten that correlation != causation?

    The problem isn’t race or culture. The problem is that technology is outpacing the improvement of human capital and that many people no longer enjoy their parents’ and grandparents’ quality of life. This issue is exacerbated by diversity, but not caused by it.

    It’s not that “they took our jerbs”. It’s that some of those jobs are never coming back. And this goes for everyone in the world.

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    It’s not that “they took our jerbs”. It’s that some of those jobs are never coming back. And this goes for everyone in the world.
     
    Yes, they did. And yes, they do. If there is a job held by an illegal alien, it is a job taken from an American.

    Mealy-mouthing platitudes won't cut it. It is what it is: invasion, appropriation, and displacement of real Americans.
    , @Rurik

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today –
     
    those were European immigrants

    unlike today's

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/03/we-run-the-streets-video-shows-angry-mob-attacking-chp-patrol-car-with-officer-still-inside/?utm_term=.46e49b46b257
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  34. Reform? There’s no need to “reform” anything at all. Enforce existing laws, and the problem is addressed.

    It is also advisable to place an absolute moratorium on all legal immigration for a five year period of evaluation, followed by a ten-year absolute moratorium. The people of the USA need to come to the recognition of the fact that we need no immigration, none at all. The population burgeons, out of control. It’s time to stop — long past time to stop.

    Defend the borders with lethal force. Yes, it’s harsh, but very few shootings will actually take place. Make the statement and assert the conditions a few times, and the new effective reality will take hold. No immigration. No border jumping. No marrying-in. No amnesty.

    Enforce fines and prison sentences (provided for under long-existing law) on employers who hire illegal aliens. The illegal occupation will stop in 90 days or less. Prosecute illegal alien owners of businesses — it’s against the law for illegal aliens to operate resident businesses.

    Get them OUT!!

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  35. @Chiquita LeStrange
    How soon we forget that many western US states had significant Hispanic, American Indian, and Asian demographics until the 1890s, that many southern states were majority Black - and that Benjamin Franklin had considered the Germans to be a race utterly alien to his own.

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today - and changed America into a nation of not only Protestants, but also Catholics and Jews.

    The Westphalian nation-state system is difficult to apply to cultures that have historically had a different concept of world order (like India, China, the Islamic world, the former Byzantine world) - so is it really appropriate to apply this concept to the US? Isn't it time to break from the Old World?

    The 'conservative utopia' of the 50s and 60s - 'Les Trentes Glorieuses' was pretty much an artifact of the postwar era. All signs point to countries like China and India never really attaining that level of prosperity. The West will never really attain that level of relative prosperity again either. Have we forgotten that correlation != causation?

    The problem isn't race or culture. The problem is that technology is outpacing the improvement of human capital and that many people no longer enjoy their parents' and grandparents' quality of life. This issue is exacerbated by diversity, but not caused by it.

    It's not that "they took our jerbs". It's that some of those jobs are never coming back. And this goes for everyone in the world.

    It’s not that “they took our jerbs”. It’s that some of those jobs are never coming back. And this goes for everyone in the world.

    Yes, they did. And yes, they do. If there is a job held by an illegal alien, it is a job taken from an American.

    Mealy-mouthing platitudes won’t cut it. It is what it is: invasion, appropriation, and displacement of real Americans.

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  36. Rurik says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    How soon we forget that many western US states had significant Hispanic, American Indian, and Asian demographics until the 1890s, that many southern states were majority Black - and that Benjamin Franklin had considered the Germans to be a race utterly alien to his own.

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today - and changed America into a nation of not only Protestants, but also Catholics and Jews.

    The Westphalian nation-state system is difficult to apply to cultures that have historically had a different concept of world order (like India, China, the Islamic world, the former Byzantine world) - so is it really appropriate to apply this concept to the US? Isn't it time to break from the Old World?

    The 'conservative utopia' of the 50s and 60s - 'Les Trentes Glorieuses' was pretty much an artifact of the postwar era. All signs point to countries like China and India never really attaining that level of prosperity. The West will never really attain that level of relative prosperity again either. Have we forgotten that correlation != causation?

    The problem isn't race or culture. The problem is that technology is outpacing the improvement of human capital and that many people no longer enjoy their parents' and grandparents' quality of life. This issue is exacerbated by diversity, but not caused by it.

    It's not that "they took our jerbs". It's that some of those jobs are never coming back. And this goes for everyone in the world.

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today –

    those were European immigrants

    unlike today’s

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/03/we-run-the-streets-video-shows-angry-mob-attacking-chp-patrol-car-with-officer-still-inside/?utm_term=.46e49b46b257

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    That's what I'm saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    >http://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/american-ethnic-groups-a-brief-history-1492-to-2100/

    >1790: 4.85 million:

    12.4% Native
    16.1% Black
    65.3% White (including Hispanic)

    >http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/04/307954395/californias-latino-plurality-brings-a-sense-of-d-j-vu

    >California demographics 1890:

    ~9% Hispanic
    ~11% Asian
    ~1% Black
    ~72% non-Hispanic White
    (Native Americans not counted)

    >http://www.coopercenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/NC_Blacks-in-Virginia_4_30_12.pdf

    >Virginia demographics 1880:

    ~42% Black
    ~58% White (includes Hispanic and possibly acculturated Asians and Natives)
    (most Native Americans not counted)

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  37. @Rurik

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today –
     
    those were European immigrants

    unlike today's

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/03/we-run-the-streets-video-shows-angry-mob-attacking-chp-patrol-car-with-officer-still-inside/?utm_term=.46e49b46b257

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    >http://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/american-ethnic-groups-a-brief-history-1492-to-2100/

    >1790: 4.85 million:

    12.4% Native
    16.1% Black
    65.3% White (including Hispanic)

    >http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/04/307954395/californias-latino-plurality-brings-a-sense-of-d-j-vu

    >California demographics 1890:

    ~9% Hispanic
    ~11% Asian
    ~1% Black
    ~72% non-Hispanic White
    (Native Americans not counted)

    >http://www.coopercenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/NC_Blacks-in-Virginia_4_30_12.pdf

    >Virginia demographics 1880:

    ~42% Black
    ~58% White (includes Hispanic and possibly acculturated Asians and Natives)
    (most Native Americans not counted)

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    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?
     
    Bla bla bla bullshit bla bla.

    Interesting "sources" you have there. Either way, it's bullshit. Largest late-migration populations were German and Irish, both taking place over an 80-year interval, each amounting to no more than 10 million total over the time period. Each ethnic group greatly desiring assimilation, btw -- a quite favorable, instructive, and constructive attitude.

    All of which is absolutely irrelevant. We have absolutely no need whatsoever for immigrants. None. Each immigrant is a burden on an already-overburdened economy and society. Each immigrant accelerates and aggravates the breakdown of a once reasonably-homogenous national culture.

    Get them OUT!!
    , @Rurik

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?
     
    yes, the Amerindians were genocided off the continent in many places. And that sucked for them. Now today some people think the proper thing would be to genocide the Europeans out of N. America and all their ancient homelands in Europe as a payback of sorts.

    They should be treated with the same kind of consideration the Apache treated the white man with. And for the same reasons.

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  38. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    There are two kinds of liberals. There are Hillary’s liberals, who love BLM, see nothing wrong in the knock-out game, demand open borders and would like to see old white working class people disenfranchised if not euthanized. And there are the noble liberals, intelligent, well-educated proponents of ensuring all good things happen to everyone equally. Of the two, the noble liberals are by far the greatest threat to national survival and the public good.

    Raising the minimum wage is a major Noble liberal cause that will contribute enormously to the destruction of the EuroAmerican nation. America is a poor country. The median earned income of American workers in 2014 was under $29,000, and the average wage of the 81 million members of the lowest paid half of the workforce was less than $13,000, or about $7.00 an hour if those jobs were full-time. Thus a $12 minimum wage will simply exclude from the legal workforce large numbers of Americans, while creating a vacuum for illegal immigrants ready to work in the already roaring no-tax, no-workplace-health-and-safety underground economy.

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    There are Hillary’s liberals, who love BLM, see nothing wrong in the knock-out game, demand open borders and would like to see old white working class people disenfranchised if not euthanized.
     
    You've been watching too many cartoons.
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  39. Boris says:

    the resulting low-wage society reduces the consumer spending that drives our economy.

    I don’t know that this is right. Low wages keep prices low. And high wages arising from a labor shortage don’t make up for the loss in production caused by the shortage in the first place.

    Of course, raising the minimum wage has problems of its own, but this is definitely a policy that could gain traction……BUT, the anti-immigration wing of the Republican party has never shown that it can accept any compromise. Since these are the people who vote in primaries, any R politician floating a compromise would likely get primaried by an even more extreme version.

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    Low wages keep prices low? Is that why incomes aren't keeping pace with prices for many?
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  40. TWS says:

    God I hope not. The last ‘grand bargain’ ass-raped the country. I can’t believe anyone who wants to see America remain American would advocate anything like this.

    If we don’t immediately start deportation we’ll die as a nation. Enforce the laws now. Send the illegals home. Retroactively repeal birthright citizenship. Maybe, just maybe, we’ll have the nation our fathers and grandfathers left us.

    Or we can go the way of the Byzantine Greeks.

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    Look at the biggest immigrant groups. No Mexican, Indian, or Chinese military power has ever conquered part of the US. Mexico can't even secure their own border, the Chinese burned their ships rather than colonize overseas, and a nation exemplified by Gandhi doesn't really sound like a bunch of warlords.

    There aren't even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You're projecting.
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  41. Rehmat says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.
     
    By that standard, every Arab in North Africa and the Levant is also an immigrant. And, as KSA and the Gulf States show, no work at all would be done without foreign labor if extractible wealth is available to pay for it.

    People who read Daniel Pipes’ history of Muslims – become idiots like you.

    Arabs came to most African countries after the Dawn of Islam in 610 CE – especially after the Berber Muslims liberated Jew Serfs from Catholic-ruled Spain in 711 CE. Once the Spanish Jews became the elites in Muslim Spain – European Christians began throwing them out of Europe – at least 108 times.

    [MORE]

    On December 14, 2015, two pro-Israel Jewish propaganda outlets, Washington Post and ABC News released result of their poll, asking participants whether American think Islam encourages violence. The poll found that only 28% of Americans agreed with the question (their information based on Jewish/Zionist Jingoism), while 54% called Islam a peaceful religion.

    Reformed Rabbi Allen S. Maller, led Temple Akiba in Culver City, CA for 39 years before retiring in 2006. He taught at University of Judaism in Las Angeles, and is author of several books and has penned columns for several Jewish publications. Rabbi Maller believes the West’s main problem with Islam is that it’s different philosophy from Judaism and Christianity. While both earlier Abrahamic religions got rid off religious ethics from politics, Islamic teachings refuse to separate religious ethics from politics and day-to-day social life.

    “Islam is not more violent than medieval Christianity or Biblical Judaism. But in the last two centuries, western democracies have learned the importance of the principle of separation of Church and State to civil peace. Also the wide spread separation of Church and State that is now normal in Europe and North America has kept religion out of political and military conflicts between different nations,” Rabbi Allen S. Maller said on December 28, 2015.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/01/02/rabbi-maller-islam-is-religion-of-tolerance/

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    The histories I trust were written before Daniel Pipes was born.
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  42. Rehmat says:
    @Rurik

    The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.
     
    and now we should let them return the favor, huh?

    White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work – they’re still living in their African slavery.
     
    the problem with white people isn't that they're incapable of hard work. Hardly (I should know ; ). Or that all of their prosperity is a direct consequence of African slavery. That's not only puerile and idiotic, it's hysterically inaccurate (and racist ; ).

    the problem with whites is that because they're so fundamentally kind and generous, that spiritually they're allowing themselves to be racially emasculated by an avalanche of hatred that's aimed at them from all the assorted the butt-hurt non-whites (and homos and fem-Nazis and Muslims and Jews) of the world, who lack the fortitude and intelligence to create that which white DNA created; the magnificent culture and cities and freedoms of the West. It is due to the accomplishments of the Western world that there's so much envy and consequent hatred for it and the attractive people (yet another reason they're envied and hated) who created it.

    Some ungrateful scum even condemn these amazing people and their sublime culture and accomplishments from the very hearth and home of the white societies who've invited them in, and where they enjoy the myriad fruits and generosity of. Can you imagine?

    Perhaps they should do their white neighbors they despise so much a big favor and slink back to the home of your fellow butt-hurt crybabies.

    “The problem with whites is that because they’re so fundamentally kind and generous….”

    MAAN – you must have your brain hanging between your legs.

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called ” kind and generous” White bloodsuckers?

    Johnny Punish, an American musician, poet and writer, published a list of Top Ten Most Wanted Global War Criminals – All WHITES – on his blog on March 20, 2013. Six of the top ten war criminals, Benjamin Netanyahu, Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch, Jamie Dimon, Hank Paulson and Paul Wolfowitz, are Jewish or have Jewish family roots. The remaining four are Christian Zionist Islamophobes, former president George Bush, former US vice-president Dick Cheney, former US secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld and former British prime minister Tony Blair…..

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/07/25/ten-top-global-war-criminals-all-non-muslims/

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    Is it impossible for you to distinguish between the vast majority of whites who allow people like you to live peacefully in our countries, while hating them, and psychopathic criminals like Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney and their handlers? Without people like you here as a wedge issue and vote producer, we might be able to dish out justice to these criminals and take our nations back.
    , @Rurik

    hanging between your legs.
     
    obsess much?

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called ” kind and generous” White bloodsuckers?
     
    no, the ones that started it were and are the most deadly enemy the white man has ever known, because he uses guile and subterfuge and corruption to get the white man to kill other white men.

    what are you crying about? With your butt-hurt crybaby hatred of all things white and Western, you should be jerking off to photos of dead Holocaust and Dresden victims in your mother's basement subsidized by the white man. Perhaps that's your problem, his eternal generosity makes you feel impotent and inadequate to have him as your benefactor. Huh?

    are Jewish or have Jewish family roots.

     

    the Islamic dogs demanding Europe and N. America open their doors to unlimited Muslim immigration have as their most valuable allies the Zionist Jews working as a tireless filth column in those countries. You'd go down on anyone of them at the drop of a Koran to ensure continued Muslim immigration into the West- and you and all the rest of us know it.

    You're all popping little boners hoping for a kind of wide spread return of Moorish rule of Andalusia- Europe wide. When finally you and your lot were able to get laid- by use of force. Just like they're doing in Europe all over today.

    If the Zionists promised you Germany, you'd toss every Palestinian and Syrian under the rubble faster than you could say gang rape.
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  43. Is it a coincidence that globalization and the flood of unskilled illegal immigrants have emerged simultaneously and only served to weaken and fragment the working and middle class while strengthening the deep state’s control of power?

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    Is it a coincidence that globalization and the flood of unskilled illegal immigrants have emerged simultaneously and only served to weaken and fragment the working and middle class while strengthening the deep state’s control of power?
     
    No coincidence at all.
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  44. Legal or illegal, most immigrants have no reason to be here and their negatives far outweigh their positives, and any legal status that they were/will be given by extremists in our government means nothing. Restoring our traditional demographics is less radical than bringing these people here in the first place. Send them home! What better use is there for our military? As for our elites, I hate them as much as they hate me. It’s clear what should be done with traitors.

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  45. @TWS
    God I hope not. The last 'grand bargain' ass-raped the country. I can't believe anyone who wants to see America remain American would advocate anything like this.

    If we don't immediately start deportation we'll die as a nation. Enforce the laws now. Send the illegals home. Retroactively repeal birthright citizenship. Maybe, just maybe, we'll have the nation our fathers and grandfathers left us.

    Or we can go the way of the Byzantine Greeks.

    Look at the biggest immigrant groups. No Mexican, Indian, or Chinese military power has ever conquered part of the US. Mexico can’t even secure their own border, the Chinese burned their ships rather than colonize overseas, and a nation exemplified by Gandhi doesn’t really sound like a bunch of warlords.

    There aren’t even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You’re projecting.

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    There aren’t even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You’re projecting.
     
    One is one too many.
    , @Discard
    A crowd of straw men. Are you saying that Mexico's inability to secure their southern border has any bearing on their mass migration to the US at the behest of our ruling elites?
    That China's foreign policy of 500 years ago means that they are not coming here and colonizing town after town?
    That India's inability to send Hindu paratroopers and Marines to invade us means they are good Americans?

    BTW, you are pretty ill-informed to think that the popular image of Gandhi exemplifies India. They've had how many wars with Pakistan?
    For that matter, you're pretty ill-informed to think that Gandhi was anything but a clever politician. Were he the "Great Soul" of legend, he would not have had such useless parasites for sons.
    , @TWS
    And you're lying. I am only projecting into the future. If you knew anything about history you would know not every invasion is resisted by the powers that be. And they all end disastrously.

    History is full of examples of invasions either being invited or accepted by the powers that be in that nation and the nation then suffering or disappearing.

    The nation I was born in is gone. Is that temporary? Doubtful but maybe. Is there a chance to bring something like it back? Yes clearly but only if we have the will. Something you clearly lack. Or perhaps you think a multiethnic empire is to be desired? Those require strong central governments with draconian controls to keep the different groups in line along with bribes to the leaders of those groups to keep a lid on things.

    I for one do not welcome General Tito or Stalin running the country I am living in.
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  46. @Rehmat
    "The problem with whites is that because they’re so fundamentally kind and generous...."

    MAAN - you must have your brain hanging between your legs.

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called " kind and generous" White bloodsuckers?

    Johnny Punish, an American musician, poet and writer, published a list of Top Ten Most Wanted Global War Criminals - All WHITES - on his blog on March 20, 2013. Six of the top ten war criminals, Benjamin Netanyahu, Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch, Jamie Dimon, Hank Paulson and Paul Wolfowitz, are Jewish or have Jewish family roots. The remaining four are Christian Zionist Islamophobes, former president George Bush, former US vice-president Dick Cheney, former US secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld and former British prime minister Tony Blair.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/07/25/ten-top-global-war-criminals-all-non-muslims/

    Is it impossible for you to distinguish between the vast majority of whites who allow people like you to live peacefully in our countries, while hating them, and psychopathic criminals like Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney and their handlers? Without people like you here as a wedge issue and vote producer, we might be able to dish out justice to these criminals and take our nations back.

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    Stop whining over your stupidity moron. If you Whites let Muslims live in peace among western nation - why pro-Israel White donkeys like Donald Trump, Killery Clinton, and the other GOP White creeps are barking on Muslims and Afro-Americans?

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/07/donald-trump-a-judas-goat/
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  47. @Boris

    the resulting low-wage society reduces the consumer spending that drives our economy.
     
    I don't know that this is right. Low wages keep prices low. And high wages arising from a labor shortage don't make up for the loss in production caused by the shortage in the first place.

    Of course, raising the minimum wage has problems of its own, but this is definitely a policy that could gain traction......BUT, the anti-immigration wing of the Republican party has never shown that it can accept any compromise. Since these are the people who vote in primaries, any R politician floating a compromise would likely get primaried by an even more extreme version.

    Low wages keep prices low? Is that why incomes aren’t keeping pace with prices for many?

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    If labor costs go up, then prices go up. Other things can cause prices to rise, though.
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  48. @Chiquita LeStrange
    That's what I'm saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    >http://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/american-ethnic-groups-a-brief-history-1492-to-2100/

    >1790: 4.85 million:

    12.4% Native
    16.1% Black
    65.3% White (including Hispanic)

    >http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/04/307954395/californias-latino-plurality-brings-a-sense-of-d-j-vu

    >California demographics 1890:

    ~9% Hispanic
    ~11% Asian
    ~1% Black
    ~72% non-Hispanic White
    (Native Americans not counted)

    >http://www.coopercenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/NC_Blacks-in-Virginia_4_30_12.pdf

    >Virginia demographics 1880:

    ~42% Black
    ~58% White (includes Hispanic and possibly acculturated Asians and Natives)
    (most Native Americans not counted)

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    Bla bla bla bullshit bla bla.

    Interesting “sources” you have there. Either way, it’s bullshit. Largest late-migration populations were German and Irish, both taking place over an 80-year interval, each amounting to no more than 10 million total over the time period. Each ethnic group greatly desiring assimilation, btw — a quite favorable, instructive, and constructive attitude.

    All of which is absolutely irrelevant. We have absolutely no need whatsoever for immigrants. None. Each immigrant is a burden on an already-overburdened economy and society. Each immigrant accelerates and aggravates the breakdown of a once reasonably-homogenous national culture.

    Get them OUT!!

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    >Irish

    Gangs of New York ring a bell?
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  49. @Chiquita LeStrange
    Look at the biggest immigrant groups. No Mexican, Indian, or Chinese military power has ever conquered part of the US. Mexico can't even secure their own border, the Chinese burned their ships rather than colonize overseas, and a nation exemplified by Gandhi doesn't really sound like a bunch of warlords.

    There aren't even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You're projecting.

    There aren’t even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You’re projecting.

    One is one too many.

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  50. MLK says:

    Labor vs. Capital

    This should have a finer point put on it because it goes to any grand bargain. Human Labor is competing with Machine Labor —Automation. All else being equal, Capital is indifferent to which it exploits. But all else has never been equal, and a variety of factors, not the least total cost of Labor and the latest automation technology revolution, is tipping the balance even further in favor of machines over Human Labor.

    This is evident in the ever less subtle shift of large businesses from opposition to public support or acquiescence of large increases in the Minimum Wage. Not just the technology companies building Human Labor replacing automation but the prospective employers of these machines, if you will, as well. Everything that tips the balance in favor of automation amounts to a thought out industrial policy, if not perceived by the public in those terms.

    Large-scale replacement of Human Labor presents problems, both consumer and political.

    It isn’t enough for businesses to propagandize their customers that the result is a better consumer experience. The public needs to be conditioned to accept it. At the low income, discount end of retailing like Walmart the problem is primarily political. It’s known for Low Everyday Prices, not service, and its customers have little in the way of better service alternatives, which they cannot afford anyway. But as you move up the chain, actually persuading consumers to accept wide scale automation becomes essential.

    I’m quite a bit more of a revolutionist. To your worthy ideas I would add an even bolder one. A radical change to taxing every dollar of GDP (except exports) equally. This would constitute, in effect, a Market Access Tax. The American consumer market is a collective asset of the citizenry. Access to it should require all participants pulling their weight. Importantly, in light of the above, it would rebalance the scales between Human Labor and Automation (and foreign producers). Businesses would be fully reimbursed for the income taxes (at the same universal rate) paid in wages, salaries and benefits to their employees.

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  51. pyrrhus says:
    @Discard
    No compromise. I want my country back. These imports are not American, no matter if they memorized the Constitution and can recite it at will. Note how Avik Roy and his friends could not understand that we Americans want our own country, run in our interests, and respectful of our traditions and culture. They are NOT assimilated. Any compromise is merely a truce, until the foreigners outnumber us in every age cohort, at which time they resume their conquest.

    Yes. We want our country back, and we want the likes of Avik Roy deported, if possible. The world, outside countries settled by a few northwestern european, votes ethnically and jealously guards the culture and leadership of ethnic majorities. Whites in America and a few other countries have been hoodwinked into supporting people who dislike their culture and have no allegiance to the people who built the US (and UK, and France, Sweden, Germany, etc), without the help of whiny minority groups. Either white Americans wake up, or they will be living in a 3d world hellhole within 30 years….

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  52. @John Jeremiah Smith

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?
     
    Bla bla bla bullshit bla bla.

    Interesting "sources" you have there. Either way, it's bullshit. Largest late-migration populations were German and Irish, both taking place over an 80-year interval, each amounting to no more than 10 million total over the time period. Each ethnic group greatly desiring assimilation, btw -- a quite favorable, instructive, and constructive attitude.

    All of which is absolutely irrelevant. We have absolutely no need whatsoever for immigrants. None. Each immigrant is a burden on an already-overburdened economy and society. Each immigrant accelerates and aggravates the breakdown of a once reasonably-homogenous national culture.

    Get them OUT!!

    >Irish

    Gangs of New York ring a bell?

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    >Irish

    Gangs of New York ring a bell?
     
    Of course. There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can't DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    You have managed to confirm, and reinforce, my opinion that you are an indoctrinated noogie.
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  53. Boris says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Low wages keep prices low? Is that why incomes aren't keeping pace with prices for many?

    If labor costs go up, then prices go up. Other things can cause prices to rise, though.

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    "If labor costs go up, then prices go up. "

    Not necessarily, the profits of the predator class may simply decline.

    Moreover, for the working class (i.e., 90% of society), increased prices would be compensated by their increased income.

    During the industrial revolution, there were no minimum wages or working hour limitations, with the result that workers worked 16 hours per day for barely enough money to survive in decrepit conditions. Sure, everything was "cheap", but even at that price, workers couldn't afford any of it. Henry Ford famously paid his employees a higher wage so they could afford to buy his product.
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  54. @Chiquita LeStrange
    >Irish

    Gangs of New York ring a bell?

    >Irish

    Gangs of New York ring a bell?

    Of course. There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can’t DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    You have managed to confirm, and reinforce, my opinion that you are an indoctrinated noogie.

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    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I'd highly recommend Jayman's articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.

    My hopes are not high, however.
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  55. Boris says:
    @CanSpeccy
    There are two kinds of liberals. There are Hillary's liberals, who love BLM, see nothing wrong in the knock-out game, demand open borders and would like to see old white working class people disenfranchised if not euthanized. And there are the noble liberals, intelligent, well-educated proponents of ensuring all good things happen to everyone equally. Of the two, the noble liberals are by far the greatest threat to national survival and the public good.

    Raising the minimum wage is a major Noble liberal cause that will contribute enormously to the destruction of the EuroAmerican nation. America is a poor country. The median earned income of American workers in 2014 was under $29,000, and the average wage of the 81 million members of the lowest paid half of the workforce was less than $13,000, or about $7.00 an hour if those jobs were full-time. Thus a $12 minimum wage will simply exclude from the legal workforce large numbers of Americans, while creating a vacuum for illegal immigrants ready to work in the already roaring no-tax, no-workplace-health-and-safety underground economy.

    There are Hillary’s liberals, who love BLM, see nothing wrong in the knock-out game, demand open borders and would like to see old white working class people disenfranchised if not euthanized.

    You’ve been watching too many cartoons.

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  56. Boris says:
    @Maj. Kong
    This is not a bargain.

    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples. That has been the supposed reason behind the last century of endless foreign wars.

    The base of white conservatism has been forced into the subsidisation of their own dispossession, and given cultural humiliation on top of it.

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.

    Ron, you would be better off petitioning for an independent California Republic. Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don't like the diversity regime.

    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples.

    “Ethnic continuity”? There is no such right.
    “self-determination of peoples”? This sounds like nonsense.

    Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don’t like the diversity regime.

    Oh, that’s because it was nonsense. I like the diversity regime. Why are you trying to deny me my right to self-determination?

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    The two worldviews are, as you note, irreconcilable.

    If you want high living standards with Diversity, then you need a strong centralized government with one super-majority ethno-cultural group clearly in charge of the levers of power. Singapore and Israel are good examples of this. Your other options are Brazil, a dysfunctional mess, or the latest Empire in a long line of exploded Empires.

    As Diversity increases, the consensus on the State's ontological, existential premises disappears. People start asking why they should pay taxes or sign up for the military to support worldviews they find utterly repugnant.
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  57. When you turn English-speaking Americans of European descent into a discriminated against minority in their own country, don’t be surprised when they begin to adopt the behaviors of a discriminated against minority.

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  58. >There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can’t DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    So you’re saying that media bias against minorities DOES exist? Wow quite progressive. I’m glad to hear. #OscarsSoSaxon

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    So you’re saying that media bias against minorities DOES exist? Wow quite progressive. I’m glad to hear.
     
    Nope, but I can use smaller words. Let's see here ... Hollywood movies are always 100% historically accurate.

    Darn, still a lot of big words.

    Do you believe the shinola Hollywood pumps out because you can't read, and you rely on hi-res video as pure truth?
    , @Discard
    #OscarsSoAshkenazi. Fixed it for you.
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  59. Ron Unz says:

    Well, here’s a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of “IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!” But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *legal* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

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    is rather silly

    As is suggesting that those who 'focus on those solutions' (for illegal immigration) don't realize they have no impact on legal immigration (which is also quite significant, and therefore a significant source of demographic change as well, as you suggest) -- and most who are concerned enough about the issue of immigration (legal and illegal) to follow it, are also smart enough to know that "those solutions" are only part of the 'solution' (ie there is no single 'solution') for illegal immigration -- neither does anything about eg overstayers, or those who are already here and working illegally -- just fyi.
    , @bomag

    The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.
     
    But this great and grand legislation needs to be enforced by the executive branch. Do you see the problem? Cf. the drug problem, legal and illegal.

    There tends to be a substitution: if you start limiting legal immigration, you start to get more illegal immigration.

    Illegal immigration is judged by most to be the most damaging kind, loaded as it is with those of marginal utility. As pointed out many times, we have available statutes here that are not enforced; fully expect Obama et al to back door in the usual suspects after your grand compromise.
    , @Rurik

    the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance..
     
    as usual provocative and insightful article Mr. Unz.

    for what it's worth, I just feel you're perhaps a little naïve when it comes to the sense of racial solidarity vis-à-vis Hispanics in general vs. other races. Blacks and Hispanics (and I don't have to tell you- Jews) often have a very powerful sense of ethnic solidarity. Especially when it comes to an "other" in their midst. Hispanics will divide themselves among Cuban vs. Mexican vs. Puerto Rican and so on, unless they perceive that they're threated by blacks or whites, in which case they'll circle the wagons and protect 'Latino' interests.

    But if immigrants themselves have such strong economic reasons to oppose continuing heavy immigration, why in modern America have they almost invariably become leading political opponents of the anti-immigration groups advocating exactly those same policies?
     
    for the reason I just stated above. Unlike whites, most racial groups are loyal to their racial group as an instinctive, kneejerk imperative. Fill a room with a mix of Hispanics from Brazil and Honduras and Panama and El Salvador and a few others, and watch them bicker, but then add an equal mix of white men from Russia and Canada and England and assorted countries, and they'd coalesce immediately into 'La Raza'. Just like blacks would do. It's instinctive and predictable.


    So the politically-fearful white racial-activists who largely dominate the anti-immigration movement naturally believe that Hispanic immigrants are similarly motivated, and that the goal of their leaders is to swamp the country with more of their own background, thereby allowing them to seize political power along ethnic lines. However, there seems little evidence for this...
     
    I almost feel you're being disingenuous here. The whole La Raza and Reconquista movements all exist in direct repudiation of that last sentence you wrote there. Just as the blacks of Zimbabwe were and still seem willing to starve or at least suffer much worse hardships than they ever endured under white rule, people will go to great lengths to impose their ethnic and tribal domination over the lands they're occupying, even up to and including all out war. This has been the history of man since time began. You can tell the Comanche that he enjoys much better living conditions under the largess and benevolence of the white man, than the short, diseased life of hunger and hardship on the plains, but I suspect he'd still prefer to kill every last white man on the continent- to have his lands back, than to subjugation by another race, however gilded the cage.

    This is the whole reason there are burgeoning independence movements all over the place. Catalonia, the Kurds, the Basques, the Ukrainians, even the Libyan and Syrian Islamics who prefer daily horrors to the rule by a man not of their tribe or custom.

    People want and demand self-determination. It is a human imperative, and at its most fundamental, it's tribal/racial.
    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    Agree to some extent. When most of the immigrants are low-skilled and come in such great numbers legal vs. illegal is a distinction without a difference. They bring the same problems with them whether they've come in through the front door or hopped the border with the help of a coyote.

    We never should have ditched the system we had, i.e. limit immigration to about 250K a year, take almost all from countries that had been the traditional sources of immigrants, and exclude everybody else, with reasonable accommodations made for a handful of exceptional cases.

    Hearing "broken immigration system" mindlessly repeated ad nauseam really grates. Our system isn't broken, it was deliberately trashed in a spasm of hand wringing liberal guilt over the horrible way we had treated complete strangers in countries thousands of miles away.
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly.
     
    Take your pick, legal or illegal, there is no difference in effect -- you said so yourself. And the effect is a continuing process of the destruction of America.

    How to change it? 1. Stop legal immigration. and 2. Enforce the law. Yes, it is THAT simple.

    Can legal immigration be stopped? Of course not -- the government pays no attention whatsoever to what productive Americans have to say -- none. The government is corrupt throughout, a pawn of the oligarchs, the MI complex and banks. It's a done deal. Will the law be enforced? Of course not. Rampant immigration will continue, unabated and uncontrolled, until revolution explodes.

    Personally, I indulge in wishful thinking, but deluded I am not.
    , @Tim Howells

    2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly
     
    There is a valid point in there, but you miss the most important factor. Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries. It would be a statement in the strongest possible terms that we have the moral right and the moral responsibility to defend our borders (i.e. to exist ... as Trump has pointed out, "if you can't defend your borders you don't have a country.")
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  60. @Boris

    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples.
     
    "Ethnic continuity"? There is no such right.
    "self-determination of peoples"? This sounds like nonsense.


    Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don’t like the diversity regime.
     
    Oh, that's because it was nonsense. I like the diversity regime. Why are you trying to deny me my right to self-determination?

    The two worldviews are, as you note, irreconcilable.

    If you want high living standards with Diversity, then you need a strong centralized government with one super-majority ethno-cultural group clearly in charge of the levers of power. Singapore and Israel are good examples of this. Your other options are Brazil, a dysfunctional mess, or the latest Empire in a long line of exploded Empires.

    As Diversity increases, the consensus on the State’s ontological, existential premises disappears. People start asking why they should pay taxes or sign up for the military to support worldviews they find utterly repugnant.

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  61. Alden says:
    @Prof. Woland
    A major reason the pro-immigration forces are pushing for "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is that if they do not 'hang together, they will hang separately". Allowing everyone to stay and putting up no substantial barriers to future immigration is their lowest common denominator so it is what they default to. Driven by money and racism, the pro-immigration side, which is a minority of the population, has diligently stuck together even though many parts of their coalition have very little in common with the other parts. What the HB1s, wetbacks, the refugee racket, and the family reunification lobbies have in common is that by themselves they cannot win so they have created this unholy alliance and put the capstone of CIR on the top.

    One of the real dangers of a Trump Presidency is that he will start picking apart the coalition before they can strike their grand bargain. Just simply building a fence or requiring employment eligibility verification is all it would take to get the ball rolling. Once certain segments of the coalition have been knocked out or forced to concede, the remaining ones will have less leverage.

    To steal a metaphor from the other side, the pro-immigration forces reminds me of a fortress consisting of a wall which is protected by two large towers (the ethnic lobby and the cheap labor lobby). The towers are there to protect the wall, and then the adjoining towers protect each other.
    When someone asks the cheap labor tower why we need more stoop labor, they will reply with how wonderful these people are and how they enrich our lives. When someone asks the ethnic tower why we need more of the same their reply is always that we could not possibly exist with out maids and short order cooks. Each constituent part cannot protect or justify themselves alone because no one would tolerate someone from the Ag lobby saying that it is less profitable to grow less labor intensive crops or mechanize or someone from the ethnic lobby saying that their people have a right to take over even if that is exactly what they are trying to do.

    Don’t forget the do gooder lobby and the billions of dollars in taxpayers money it gets. I referrer to the Lutherans, Jews, Catholics, Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists and numerous religious charities that dump the most primitive savages in American towns. Probably the Lutherans went around the world and picked Somalians and other Africans who are the worst of the worst but all are culpable.

    One hundred years ago an ambitious young person who didn’t have a job started his own business. Nowdays, an ambitious person who doesn’t have a job files for a non profit corporation, hires a commission grant writer who is paid a percentage of the grants obtained and becomes rich as executive director of a do gooder non profit.

    AAny immigration reform needs to go after the do gooder non profits

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  62. res says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Ron's proposal sounds reasonable, in that it correctly identifies the real problem as future immigration numbers. It is good to see him come to this conclusion. It is also nice that he correctly describes why more and more white Americans have reached the breaking point -- and thus why they are voting the way they are now.

    I'm happy to hear that maybe there is common ground that can become the foundation for an agreed-upon policy.

    In related news, Hungarian voters seem to be in agreement regarding what is happening to them, but they didn't quite manage to turn out 50% of their electorate:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37528325

    Interesting. I wonder what a usual turnout would be for Hungary. Given the numbers:

    Nearly 98% of those who took part supported the government’s call to reject the EU plan.
    But only 43% of the electorate voted, short of the 50% required to be valid.

    and assuming a usual turnout of 80% (which seems high to me) it looks like they are trying to finagle a no (not reject) vote with what would be a minority supporting their position in a typical election. Perhaps it’s time to present the measure in the opposite fashion and play the same game.

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  63. eah says:
    @eah
    What's "broken" about it? -- I realize today it's practically a cliche to say it's "broken", but I still don't know what that means -- because no one ever says.

    Talk of a “grand bargain” reminds me of this ancient (2002) Juan Mann article on vdare.com about the EOIR (Executive Office for Immigration Review): …as every insider knows, “it’s not over until the alien wins.”

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  64. Alden says:

    The San Francisco murder of 3 members of the Bologna family was not accidental. An illegal immigrant felon recently released from the city and county jail purposely shot and killed 3 people driving their car through an intersection.

    Liberals claimed that because 2 of the victims were teen age boys the murderer assumed they were rival gang members and was thus justified in killing them. The boys of course had no criminal record and no contact whatsoever with police and or juvenile authorities.

    I and many others doubt that the Steinle killing was an accident. The killer just happened to sit down on a bench and saw a gun lying there. The killer just happened to pick it up and was messing with it and it just happened to go off and kill a passerby. That sounds like a typical defense attorney argument when there is no evidence nor legal argument to make.

    It’s the typical excuse used by people who “accidentally” kill their spouses or parents to obtain insurance money and inheritances.

    It’s not just Whites who are killed by illegal alien Hispanics. It’ also blacks. Considering that the official black line is hate Whitey, I don’t think Whites should be too concerned about that, but nevertheless its a fact. Jamiel Shaw, a black teen boy was murdered, just shot down as he was walking home one evening by an illegal felon released from Los Angeles city jail less than 24 hours before the killing.

    Again the excuse was that the victim had a spiderman back pack which the murderer assumed was some kind of gang insignia. Like the Bologna boys, Shaw had no juvenile record nor police contact. I was surprised that a 17 year old had a spiderman back pack. I thought spiderman things were for young boys but who am I to judge what is fashionable with 17 year old boys.

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  65. bomag says:
    @nsa
    This article is a rare combination of hooey and fantasy. Americans are largely ahistorical...could even 1% of the population describe the feats of James K. Polk, America's second greatest president after Washington? With very little effort, the great man stole half of Mexico and a large swath of Canada from the Brits (without firing a shot).....all in one term. Mexicans know this and their simple primal plan is to take it back (the reconquista) and more through outright invasion across a pathetic non-defended border. "Grand Bargain" is a pipe dream....two peoples cannot occupy the same real estate peacefully.....this is especially true of differing races. History abounds with examples: Cyprus, Palestine, Bosnia, Turkey- Armenia, Iraq, Pakistan-India.....the list is endless. The choice is simple: either whitey defends his border and terminates immigration, legal and illegal, or the Mexicans eventually get it back through invasion and rampant breeding...history indicates there are no other possibilities.

    With very little effort, the great man converted half of Mexico and a large swath of Canada from the Brits (without firing a shot)…..all in one term.

    Those other countries’ claim to the land at that time was pretty feeble. The US investment and use of the land since that time has generated a claim that swamps the pitiful reconquista criminal activity.

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  66. eah says:
    @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by "Building a Wall!" or "Guarding Our Borders!" Therefore, focusing on those "solutions" is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of "IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!" But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *legal* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

    is rather silly

    As is suggesting that those who ‘focus on those solutions’ (for illegal immigration) don’t realize they have no impact on legal immigration (which is also quite significant, and therefore a significant source of demographic change as well, as you suggest) — and most who are concerned enough about the issue of immigration (legal and illegal) to follow it, are also smart enough to know that “those solutions” are only part of the ‘solution’ (ie there is no single ‘solution’) for illegal immigration — neither does anything about eg overstayers, or those who are already here and working illegally — just fyi.

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  67. Rurik says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    That's what I'm saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    >http://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/american-ethnic-groups-a-brief-history-1492-to-2100/

    >1790: 4.85 million:

    12.4% Native
    16.1% Black
    65.3% White (including Hispanic)

    >http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/04/307954395/californias-latino-plurality-brings-a-sense-of-d-j-vu

    >California demographics 1890:

    ~9% Hispanic
    ~11% Asian
    ~1% Black
    ~72% non-Hispanic White
    (Native Americans not counted)

    >http://www.coopercenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/NC_Blacks-in-Virginia_4_30_12.pdf

    >Virginia demographics 1880:

    ~42% Black
    ~58% White (includes Hispanic and possibly acculturated Asians and Natives)
    (most Native Americans not counted)

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    yes, the Amerindians were genocided off the continent in many places. And that sucked for them. Now today some people think the proper thing would be to genocide the Europeans out of N. America and all their ancient homelands in Europe as a payback of sorts.

    They should be treated with the same kind of consideration the Apache treated the white man with. And for the same reasons.

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    There are plenty of American Indians. They're still around, protesting the pipeline in the mid west or haven't you seen the news.
    , @Hacienda
    What was the payback for whites displacing the Amerindians?
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  68. Of course legal immigration is the main problem, since “legals” are here in numbers and have been given resident or citizen status. Outside of disliking the sheer numbers of illegals, I assume that most people who oppose illegal immigration do so out of fear that the illegals will be given citizenship.

    The majority who are beside themselves over the immigration issue are mad because the system has purposely failed them. They voted for decades for Republicans who said one thing, and did another on immigration. So, no, we aren’t where we are by accident, and the elites aren’t tearing down civil liberties for nothing, whether or not they are surprised by Trump’s support.

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  69. Rurik says:
    @Rehmat
    "The problem with whites is that because they’re so fundamentally kind and generous...."

    MAAN - you must have your brain hanging between your legs.

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called " kind and generous" White bloodsuckers?

    Johnny Punish, an American musician, poet and writer, published a list of Top Ten Most Wanted Global War Criminals - All WHITES - on his blog on March 20, 2013. Six of the top ten war criminals, Benjamin Netanyahu, Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch, Jamie Dimon, Hank Paulson and Paul Wolfowitz, are Jewish or have Jewish family roots. The remaining four are Christian Zionist Islamophobes, former president George Bush, former US vice-president Dick Cheney, former US secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld and former British prime minister Tony Blair.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/07/25/ten-top-global-war-criminals-all-non-muslims/

    hanging between your legs.

    obsess much?

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called ” kind and generous” White bloodsuckers?

    no, the ones that started it were and are the most deadly enemy the white man has ever known, because he uses guile and subterfuge and corruption to get the white man to kill other white men.

    [MORE]

    what are you crying about? With your butt-hurt crybaby hatred of all things white and Western, you should be jerking off to photos of dead Holocaust and Dresden victims in your mother’s basement subsidized by the white man. Perhaps that’s your problem, his eternal generosity makes you feel impotent and inadequate to have him as your benefactor. Huh?

    are Jewish or have Jewish family roots.

    the Islamic dogs demanding Europe and N. America open their doors to unlimited Muslim immigration have as their most valuable allies the Zionist Jews working as a tireless filth column in those countries. You’d go down on anyone of them at the drop of a Koran to ensure continued Muslim immigration into the West- and you and all the rest of us know it.

    You’re all popping little boners hoping for a kind of wide spread return of Moorish rule of Andalusia- Europe wide. When finally you and your lot were able to get laid- by use of force. Just like they’re doing in Europe all over today.

    If the Zionists promised you Germany, you’d toss every Palestinian and Syrian under the rubble faster than you could say gang rape.

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    Thanks proving me right dude - your brain is hanging between your legs.

    Now you wants to believe that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franz Ferdinand, Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian Jew, etc. were not WHITES but Arabs, who wanted to get rid of White folks from the West in order to establish an Islamic state over the entire Europe - as Jewish Gatestone Institute claims.

    I do admire Stalin for killing seven million Ukrainian Christians while establishing a Jewish state in Soviet Russia.

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/06/13/birobidjan-the-first-jewish-state/
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  70. Long, point-by-point refutation of Mr. Unz’s theory-based proposal follows.

    “[T]he best and most effective means of reducing illegal immigration is a large increase in the minimum wage.”

    No. A raised minimum wage will create an even more attractive incentive for illegal immigrants.

    “The vast majority of illegal immigrants come to America for jobs, and our pundits are correct in saying ‘they take the jobs that Americans won’t.’”

    Only because our Dear Ruling Globali$t $ellout E$tabli$hment refuses to penalize businesses that hire illegal aliens – many of whom now use stolen or faked Social Security numbers, another industry-to-itself corruption that breeds further, deeper corruption in illegals claiming unemployment benefits and other, supposedly “means-tested,” forms of welfare, such as Section 8 low rents whose deficit Americans are forced to pay for along with being forced to pay for “free” Obamacare for illegals (and legals alike), education for immigrants’ children, plus all the other racial set-asides such as low interest small business loan preference that privilege foreigners over U.S. citizens. And remember how the Housing Bubble-cum-Mortgage Deficit Swaps that catered recklessly to millions of illegal immigrants blew up in our faces in 2007-8 – and how the Big Bailout then catered to the Globali$t financial entities (bank$ter$) instead of relieving the heavy burdens forced on ordinary Americans?

    ”But the reason that Americans won’t take those jobs is often that the wages are just too low.”

    Without the enormous oversupply of both illegal and legal immigrant Cheap Scab Labor, businesses would be forced to compete for scarcer American citizen labor.

    “Only recently-arrived illegal immigrants are desperate enough to take many of those terrible, low-paying jobs.”

    Raise the minimum wage and you get a much more attractive incentive to illegal (and legal) immigration, with businesses passing the cost of higher minimum wage labor on to ordinary Americans in the form of naturally raised higher prices of goods & services.

    “[A] much higher minimum wage would…reduce…means-tested social welfare benefits currently going to low wage workers. American businesses would be forced to pay their own employees rather than shift so much of the cost to ordinary American taxpayers.”

    No. Scamming means-testing parameters is today a vast sub rosa industry of deep corruption. Plus, forcing businesses to pay a higher minimum wage and to compensate for this labor cost-increased hit on their bottom lines, businesses will – naturally – raise prices of goods & services to keep the businesses’ Wall Street profits and profiles in the stratosphere.

    “A large hike in the federal minimum wage—perhaps to $12 per hour—would eliminate this problem.”

    No. It will exacerbate the problem, with the costs to businesses then imposed on ordinary Americans, atop the burdens ordinary Americans are already forced to bear. Plus, the cost of imported foreign goods would also rise to take advantage of a higher minimum wage – because foreign powers selling goods & services here will be razor keen not to stare the higher minimum wage gift horse in its mouth.

    “Enforcing minimum wage laws is far easier than enforcing immigration laws, and penalties could be strengthened for cases of serious ‘wage theft.’”

    Sure. And how are today’s laws against hiring illegal aliens (or against Importing H-1B, H-2B, and all the other scammed programs that incentivize U.S. employers to Import more and more Cheap Third World Scab Labor) enforced? How about . . . rarely, and only for “optics” contrived to make the enforcement appear to be thorough, when it is anything but thoroug. So the expectation that “enforcing minimum wages laws” would somehow disincentivize illegal immigration and also disincentivize hiring of illegal (and legal) immigrants amounts to sheer theory – in short: a pipe dream, a chimera to be exploited by businesses that donate to the politicians who already refuse complaisantly to enforce existing immigration and hiring laws.

    Further, as automation inexorably eliminates jobs that require unskilled and semi-skilled labor, the need for further immigrants vanishes entirely – and the imperative to deport illegal aliens strengthens.

    My recommendation is repudiation of NAFTA, GATT, and the plethora of other phony “free trade” treaties and deals combined with reintroduction of the trade protectionism that, for over a century, kept U.S. industries and jobs here in the U.S. and kept malign foreign ownership of business in the U.S. at a minimum beneficial to Americans.

    “Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members.”

    No. Like all of the many previous amnesties, offering “permanent residency” and “citizenship” to long-term illegal alien parasites will – of course, as amnesties’ history overwhelmingly shows – further incentivize evermore massive illegal immigration.

    “One of the strongest constituencies currently backing higher levels of immigration is Silicon Valley, primarily due to the acute shortage of H-1B visas for specially skilled foreigners, now capped at 85,000 per year.”

    There is no shortage of U.S. citizen STEM graduates – 50% of whom, in addition to their being frozen out of STEM employment by the massive visa Import Cheap Third World $cab Labor scams, are also forced to bear lifelong student debt for their STEM degrees made worthless by the visa scams.

    “An effective means of addressing this situation would be to reform the H-1B system by having the government auction off the visas, thereby ensuring that they go to those companies for which they provide the greatest economic value.”

    So, another form of Big Bailout for Globali$t $ellout Big Business, which does nothing to promote the hiring of U.S. citizen STEM graduates? And you, Mr. Unz, expect that businesses will not – with the eager venal help of their bought-&-paid-for political cronies – scam a visa auction system in the same ways they’ve used to scam the present visa system? Please.

    All of your proposals, Mr. Unz, form just more ways to keep digging deeper the hole Americans are already forced to pay to dig further to bury ourselves. The only way to help U.S. citizens is to CUT THE CORD on ALL immigration: impose a 50-year immigration moratorium – including an end to all of the corrupting, massively scammed visa programs; Build The Wall; rigorously penalize employers who hire or Import illegal alien Cheap Third World Scab Labor; deport all illegal aliens; and deport all the millions of lawbreaking, system corrupting visa overstayers. A clean break is what’s needed – not more laws that will obviously be rigged and then winked at and exploited by our Dear Ruling Globali$t $ellout E$tabli$hment.

    Tacitus’s axiom applies to our Dear Ruling Globali$t $ellout E$tabli$hment’$ Import The World tyranny and to the theoretical notion that more laws will somehow help Americans to end the present Import The World tyranny, it applies in Trump spades:

    The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.”

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    What a B.S. dude.

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don't want to work.

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office - and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money - are White Folks.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto - most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don't mind living in your self-denial.
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  71. woodNfish says:

    …Trump, with harsh, racially-charged rhetoric, diametrically opposing policy views, and a negligible advertising budget crushed all those prominent national leaders at the ballot box.

    Trump has not made a racist comment in his entire campaign. Nationalism is no racism except to leftists. And when it comes to immigration, Unz is a leftist and a liar. I gave up trying to read this smear article to the end because Unz is full of shit and spews it every chance he gets in this crap read, as when he accuses republicans of being anti-immigrant. That is a lie. What part of “illegal” doesn’t Unz understand? (Oh he understands it perfectly well, but this partisan diatribe rubbish is just more of his immigration spew.) And then there is the terrorist aspect because Trump wants to halt muslim immigration, and the third-world balkanization of the US. Unz can call it racist all he wants, but we know the truth and it is cultural and national, not racial. Fuck your continuoous lying ,Unz, everytime you write about this subject! It’s was old a year ago, now it’s just tiresome.

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  72. ken says:

    Damn, looking at the link, http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/modern-immigration-wave-brings-59-million-to-u-s-driving-population-growth-and-change-through-2065/ph_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-a2-05/ ,white women really did stop having kids circa 1965. We deserve what is happening to our country.

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    really did stop having kids circa 1965
     
    I'll take a country with fewer people. More for those who remain; options to fill it (if really needed) by a better suited cohort.
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  73. woodNfish says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Great ideas, and I applaud you, except:

    "Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members."

    Another amnesty? After the last one caused another 50 million to flood across? What about the millions who legally applied and are still waiting for their legal entry? And no criminal record doesn't mean no criminal activity. Illegal entry is a crime. Applying for a job is a crime. Not filing federal and state income tax returns is a crime. Applying for benefits with another's SSN or a TIN is a crime. And then you run into Obama's edicts that misdemeanors are not really crimes, and neither are "non-serious" felonies.

    And what about the billions of dollars of unpaid hospital bills for things like child birth? Few can live illegally in the USA for years without engaging in criminal activity. Moreover, what message does another amnesty send to the billions of prospective illegal immigrants throughout the world? Finally, what about the millions of poor Americans denied a job because it was given to a foreigner who came here illegally?

    All this is summed up in basic parenting: You cannot reward bad behavior! Illegal means illegal. Deport. And if they choose to abandon their children, it reflects their values, or desperation. Perhaps the world's richest man, Mexico's Carlos Slim, owner of our New York Times, can employ them in Mexico!

    Another amnesty means another 20 million border jumpers over the next decade. The last thing this USA needs in this era of automation are more unskilled workers! Be humane, send them home.

    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn’t want any change, he’s a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.

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    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn’t want any change, he’s a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.
     
    Thank you. I scour the internet for bits of impotent anger from the alt right and this is getting printed out on some glossy paper and placed in a prominent spot in my collection. C'est magnifique!
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  74. woodNfish says:
    @Randal
    A noble effort from a voice of reason.

    Sadly, I believe, most likely doomed to failure. The facts described in the first three paragraphs make clear that the US is already doomed to a future of competing ethnic/racial lobbies carving up the spoils between them. It's not a question of if the white group wakes up to the need to join the competition, but when. Will it be when they amount to 50%, or 40%, or less? The longer it is delayed by the doomed propaganda efforts of the globalist elites, the harder and more ruthless the future will be for America.

    Unz describes the kind of solution a well intentioned intelligent observer would prescribe, given the situation he has correctly diagnosed. But politics and human nature imo simply do not work that way. Immigrant groups might serve the interests of the groups that are already here, but part of those interests lie in precisely not admitting even tacitly that it is in their interests to limit future imports of more of their own kind. They will largely be constitutionally incapable of adopting the kind of political positions Unz describes. Some might, at times, and future politics will no doubt turn on what particular alliances of ethnic/racial lobby groups are formed to take control of the governmental spoils system.

    The damage has largely already been done, and the appropriate emotional response, however destructive it might be, is a bitter hatred of those who have enabled (and still seek to further enable) the mass immigration Unz correctly observes as the essence of the problem. Some eventual appreciation of the voices who warned of the dangers in advance would be a nice bonus, at great cost to themselves at the hands of the currently powerful groups who themselves have benefitted, in the short run at least, from the policies of mass immigration.

    But the least that should be pursued now, as a matter of urgency, is a simple recognition at the popular cultural level that mass immigration is in most cases fundamentally an inherent evil for any society. The political response can only start from there.

    A noble effort from a voice of reason.

    If you really think that, you’ve been suckered. This is just more of Unz’s propaganda to do nothing while sounding like he has solutions.

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  75. bomag says:
    @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by "Building a Wall!" or "Guarding Our Borders!" Therefore, focusing on those "solutions" is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of "IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!" But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *legal* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

    The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    But this great and grand legislation needs to be enforced by the executive branch. Do you see the problem? Cf. the drug problem, legal and illegal.

    There tends to be a substitution: if you start limiting legal immigration, you start to get more illegal immigration.

    Illegal immigration is judged by most to be the most damaging kind, loaded as it is with those of marginal utility. As pointed out many times, we have available statutes here that are not enforced; fully expect Obama et al to back door in the usual suspects after your grand compromise.

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  76. bomag says:
    @ken
    Damn, looking at the link, http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/modern-immigration-wave-brings-59-million-to-u-s-driving-population-growth-and-change-through-2065/ph_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-a2-05/ ,white women really did stop having kids circa 1965. We deserve what is happening to our country.

    really did stop having kids circa 1965

    I’ll take a country with fewer people. More for those who remain; options to fill it (if really needed) by a better suited cohort.

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  77. @Rurik

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?
     
    yes, the Amerindians were genocided off the continent in many places. And that sucked for them. Now today some people think the proper thing would be to genocide the Europeans out of N. America and all their ancient homelands in Europe as a payback of sorts.

    They should be treated with the same kind of consideration the Apache treated the white man with. And for the same reasons.

    There are plenty of American Indians. They’re still around, protesting the pipeline in the mid west or haven’t you seen the news.

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    I know

    and God bless them

    they're the ONLY group I feel any sense of sympathy for vis-a-vis the white man

    every other group that whines incessantly can go to hell

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f'd over by the white man's treachery
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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I am glad Ron wrote this piece. It is very likely regardless of which candidate wins the immigration issue is going to be negotiated along the lines described here.

    Both candidates are deeply flawed, but of the two Hillary edges him out.

    She is like prune juice, you might hate drinking it, but if don’t you are likely to be stuck with a lot of crap for a few years.

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  79. Rehmat says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Is it impossible for you to distinguish between the vast majority of whites who allow people like you to live peacefully in our countries, while hating them, and psychopathic criminals like Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney and their handlers? Without people like you here as a wedge issue and vote producer, we might be able to dish out justice to these criminals and take our nations back.

    Stop whining over your stupidity moron. If you Whites let Muslims live in peace among western nation – why pro-Israel White donkeys like Donald Trump, Killery Clinton, and the other GOP White creeps are barking on Muslims and Afro-Americans?

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/07/donald-trump-a-judas-goat/

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    I'll take that to mean that you don't see a difference between average whites and the psychopaths who rule over them, and who invite people like you to live here. No wonder so many Muslims support terrorism.

    I'm not going to waste my time reading one of your articles. I'm no Zionist or neocon, but I completely understand that you would gladly ally with both against whites, no matter how many of your fellow Muslims paid the price. That happens all the time.
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  80. Rehmat says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    Long, point-by-point refutation of Mr. Unz's theory-based proposal follows.

    "[T]he best and most effective means of reducing illegal immigration is a large increase in the minimum wage."

     

    No. A raised minimum wage will create an even more attractive incentive for illegal immigrants.

    "The vast majority of illegal immigrants come to America for jobs, and our pundits are correct in saying 'they take the jobs that Americans won’t.'"
     
    Only because our Dear Ruling Globali$t $ellout E$tabli$hment refuses to penalize businesses that hire illegal aliens - many of whom now use stolen or faked Social Security numbers, another industry-to-itself corruption that breeds further, deeper corruption in illegals claiming unemployment benefits and other, supposedly "means-tested," forms of welfare, such as Section 8 low rents whose deficit Americans are forced to pay for along with being forced to pay for "free" Obamacare for illegals (and legals alike), education for immigrants' children, plus all the other racial set-asides such as low interest small business loan preference that privilege foreigners over U.S. citizens. And remember how the Housing Bubble-cum-Mortgage Deficit Swaps that catered recklessly to millions of illegal immigrants blew up in our faces in 2007-8 - and how the Big Bailout then catered to the Globali$t financial entities (bank$ter$) instead of relieving the heavy burdens forced on ordinary Americans?

    ”But the reason that Americans won’t take those jobs is often that the wages are just too low."

     

    Without the enormous oversupply of both illegal and legal immigrant Cheap Scab Labor, businesses would be forced to compete for scarcer American citizen labor.

    "Only recently-arrived illegal immigrants are desperate enough to take many of those terrible, low-paying jobs."

     

    Raise the minimum wage and you get a much more attractive incentive to illegal (and legal) immigration, with businesses passing the cost of higher minimum wage labor on to ordinary Americans in the form of naturally raised higher prices of goods & services.

    "[A] much higher minimum wage would...reduce...means-tested social welfare benefits currently going to low wage workers. American businesses would be forced to pay their own employees rather than shift so much of the cost to ordinary American taxpayers."
     
    No. Scamming means-testing parameters is today a vast sub rosa industry of deep corruption. Plus, forcing businesses to pay a higher minimum wage and to compensate for this labor cost-increased hit on their bottom lines, businesses will - naturally - raise prices of goods & services to keep the businesses' Wall Street profits and profiles in the stratosphere.

    "A large hike in the federal minimum wage—perhaps to $12 per hour—would eliminate this problem."

     

    No. It will exacerbate the problem, with the costs to businesses then imposed on ordinary Americans, atop the burdens ordinary Americans are already forced to bear. Plus, the cost of imported foreign goods would also rise to take advantage of a higher minimum wage - because foreign powers selling goods & services here will be razor keen not to stare the higher minimum wage gift horse in its mouth.

    "Enforcing minimum wage laws is far easier than enforcing immigration laws, and penalties could be strengthened for cases of serious 'wage theft.'"

     

    Sure. And how are today's laws against hiring illegal aliens (or against Importing H-1B, H-2B, and all the other scammed programs that incentivize U.S. employers to Import more and more Cheap Third World Scab Labor) enforced? How about . . . rarely, and only for "optics" contrived to make the enforcement appear to be thorough, when it is anything but thoroug. So the expectation that "enforcing minimum wages laws" would somehow disincentivize illegal immigration and also disincentivize hiring of illegal (and legal) immigrants amounts to sheer theory - in short: a pipe dream, a chimera to be exploited by businesses that donate to the politicians who already refuse complaisantly to enforce existing immigration and hiring laws.

    Further, as automation inexorably eliminates jobs that require unskilled and semi-skilled labor, the need for further immigrants vanishes entirely - and the imperative to deport illegal aliens strengthens.

    My recommendation is repudiation of NAFTA, GATT, and the plethora of other phony "free trade" treaties and deals combined with reintroduction of the trade protectionism that, for over a century, kept U.S. industries and jobs here in the U.S. and kept malign foreign ownership of business in the U.S. at a minimum beneficial to Americans.

    "Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members."

     

    No. Like all of the many previous amnesties, offering "permanent residency" and "citizenship" to long-term illegal alien parasites will - of course, as amnesties' history overwhelmingly shows - further incentivize evermore massive illegal immigration.

    "One of the strongest constituencies currently backing higher levels of immigration is Silicon Valley, primarily due to the acute shortage of H-1B visas for specially skilled foreigners, now capped at 85,000 per year."

     

    There is no shortage of U.S. citizen STEM graduates - 50% of whom, in addition to their being frozen out of STEM employment by the massive visa Import Cheap Third World $cab Labor scams, are also forced to bear lifelong student debt for their STEM degrees made worthless by the visa scams.

    "An effective means of addressing this situation would be to reform the H-1B system by having the government auction off the visas, thereby ensuring that they go to those companies for which they provide the greatest economic value."

     

    So, another form of Big Bailout for Globali$t $ellout Big Business, which does nothing to promote the hiring of U.S. citizen STEM graduates? And you, Mr. Unz, expect that businesses will not - with the eager venal help of their bought-&-paid-for political cronies - scam a visa auction system in the same ways they've used to scam the present visa system? Please.

    All of your proposals, Mr. Unz, form just more ways to keep digging deeper the hole Americans are already forced to pay to dig further to bury ourselves. The only way to help U.S. citizens is to CUT THE CORD on ALL immigration: impose a 50-year immigration moratorium - including an end to all of the corrupting, massively scammed visa programs; Build The Wall; rigorously penalize employers who hire or Import illegal alien Cheap Third World Scab Labor; deport all illegal aliens; and deport all the millions of lawbreaking, system corrupting visa overstayers. A clean break is what's needed - not more laws that will obviously be rigged and then winked at and exploited by our Dear Ruling Globali$t $ellout E$tabli$hment.

    Tacitus's axiom applies to our Dear Ruling Globali$t $ellout E$tabli$hment'$ Import The World tyranny and to the theoretical notion that more laws will somehow help Americans to end the present Import The World tyranny, it applies in Trump spades:

    "The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government."

    What a B.S. dude.

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don’t want to work.

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don’t mind living in your self-denial.

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    >Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    >When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don’t mind living in your self-denial.

    I understand where you're coming from but a huge reason a lot of poor white people are getting into those kinds of situations is because they were operating on the idea that they could get jobs like their parents' and grandparents' generation.

    Poor black people such as angry LA residents who attack stores owned by South and East Asian immigrants, were in the same situation a generation ago. It's a shitty situation all around though it's possible for Blacks and Asians to unite against a "legacy of white racism".

    But ultimately, the problem is about low skilled workers not being able to compete in the economy. When race relations get caught in the mix it becomes an ugly situation and racism is magnified. The same thing happened between the different European immigrants in NYC during the Ellis Island wave of migration.

    If you're from an immigrant background, you're used to your parents talking about the hard life in the old country. You're aware that your standard of living is higher than your parents'. But imagine having parents who were able to buy houses and the latest cars on the salary of one high school graduate. Imagine not being able to keep up and then seeing random immigrants popping up all over the place, with foreign language signs where Joe's Diner used to be.

    I am totally against racism and nativism. But I can see where it comes from. The problem is figuring out what can be done for folks who have been oppressed by classism for years and years, who feel that their grandparents and great-grandparents were the ones who worked hard in terms of building industrial America in the first place.

    If your grandparents had built a certain village in Mexico, would you not feel that you were entitled to some of the benefits of this village? What if the village became poor and a bunch of Swedes started moving in at the same time? How would you feel about this? Of course you would be aware that race prejudice is wrong. But you would also feel that you deserve a certain standard of living and that the social contract has been broken.

    There are really no easy answers. I understand that this site is a clearinghouse for nativism. But ultimately, the problem is economic and not racial.

    , @bomag

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don’t want to work.
     
    So White folks are now parasites? Tell you what: you support your parasites; I'll support mine.

    Most of the hiring "posts" are jobs we could do without or are being eliminated by high tech machines: marginal food service and hotel businesses should be shuttered rather than eek by with scab immigrants; likewise taxis and crop pickers.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians.
     
    And who, pray tell, built Toronto; the infrastructure for food production and distribution; the transportation and information devices that allows Muslims to immigrate to Canada and set up shop and tell us how we've done everything wrong since the beginning of time?
    , @ben tillman

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.
     
    No, you won't. Try 20 or 25%.
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  81. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Largely forgotten, but some past thinkers and scribblers maintained that the virtues elicited in men and women by virtue of their membership in a larger group are the most vital and elevating states of being that a human can experience.

    Aristotle would fall into this camp as would Hegel.

    They would point out that being a member of a polity brings to the fore such traits as integrity, sacrifice, trust, forward thinking, dedication, loyalty, bravery, generosity, compassion, public service and so on. Further, they argue that it is impossible for an individual to achieve these heights in a vacuum or as an isolated individual. So, Aristotle famously said, “Man is a social animal” and by social he meant a community in which he personally was known to and could know most of his fellow citizens. So, obviously, Aristotle felt we perform our best when we are part of a community and that such membership in some sense brings out the best in us.

    Is this true, really TRUE? As in, if we are not members of some larger community are we then less worthy human beings because we cannot perform some of the deeds that help us develop a higher character? If it is, then we have lost a great deal. We can look forward to a life of mediocrity.

    Today, we are told that tolerance is the highest virtue. But what if bravery is? What if an undeveloped human cannot mature into an adult specimen unless he has acted bravely on behalf of his fellow citizens? Hegel said that the man who is unwilling to stake his all for a cause will forever be a slave. What if a multicultural society cannot elicit or call forth such loyalty or impassion men and women to that pitch of emotional fervor?

    What if intensity and fervor are not crimes in themselves but rather springboards to greatness? What if patriotism is not the last refuge of scoundrels?

    A man raised under our system of compromise, tolerance and meek acceptance is a compliant, middle-brow nobody about whom the best that can ultimately be written upon his tombstone is “He made no waves in his life” or “He was neither the worst nor the best.”

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  82. Rehmat says:
    @Rurik

    hanging between your legs.
     
    obsess much?

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called ” kind and generous” White bloodsuckers?
     
    no, the ones that started it were and are the most deadly enemy the white man has ever known, because he uses guile and subterfuge and corruption to get the white man to kill other white men.

    what are you crying about? With your butt-hurt crybaby hatred of all things white and Western, you should be jerking off to photos of dead Holocaust and Dresden victims in your mother's basement subsidized by the white man. Perhaps that's your problem, his eternal generosity makes you feel impotent and inadequate to have him as your benefactor. Huh?

    are Jewish or have Jewish family roots.

     

    the Islamic dogs demanding Europe and N. America open their doors to unlimited Muslim immigration have as their most valuable allies the Zionist Jews working as a tireless filth column in those countries. You'd go down on anyone of them at the drop of a Koran to ensure continued Muslim immigration into the West- and you and all the rest of us know it.

    You're all popping little boners hoping for a kind of wide spread return of Moorish rule of Andalusia- Europe wide. When finally you and your lot were able to get laid- by use of force. Just like they're doing in Europe all over today.

    If the Zionists promised you Germany, you'd toss every Palestinian and Syrian under the rubble faster than you could say gang rape.

    Thanks proving me right dude – your brain is hanging between your legs.

    [MORE]

    Now you wants to believe that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franz Ferdinand, Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian Jew, etc. were not WHITES but Arabs, who wanted to get rid of White folks from the West in order to establish an Islamic state over the entire Europe – as Jewish Gatestone Institute claims.

    I do admire Stalin for killing seven million Ukrainian Christians while establishing a Jewish state in Soviet Russia.

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/06/13/birobidjan-the-first-jewish-state/

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    Now you wants to believe that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franz Ferdinand, Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian Jew, etc. were not WHITES but Arabs,
     
    no silly

    the world wars you mention were exacerbated and foisted by Zionist Jews and their goyim stooges. Arabs were nothing but cannon fodder and patsies to the intrigues of these dominant men. Just like today. The world wars were fratricidal wars designed to slaughter off the flower of Europa. And that's exactly what they did.

    in order to establish an Islamic state over the entire Europe
     
    this, just like the Reconquista of N. America I just mentioned, is an idiotic pipe dream. No one believes it. The only reason the Muslims are flooding into Europe and N. America is to leach off the largess of the West and cavort with white trash slags on crack. (there are of course exceptions, but you aren't one ; ) And the only reason their able to do so in any numbers whatsoever, are the same reasons they were able to conquer Andalusia. Because of Jewish treachery inside the gates of Spain. Nothing new under the sun it seems.

    I do admire Stalin for killing seven million Ukrainian Christians
     
    of course you do! Just as you jerk off to newsreels of the Holocaust.

    there's something very tiresome and predicable about the eternal untermenschen; Their self-loathing butt-hurt for one thing. Their envy. Their impotent rage. Forever frothing and shaking a little clenched fist at the universe for how it created them. It really is no wonder you flail about so in the toxic bile of your petty hatreds and curse your god for what he's wrought.

    Perhaps you're beyond redemption, but your not beyond pity. Alas.
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  83. Hacienda says:
    @Rurik

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?
     
    yes, the Amerindians were genocided off the continent in many places. And that sucked for them. Now today some people think the proper thing would be to genocide the Europeans out of N. America and all their ancient homelands in Europe as a payback of sorts.

    They should be treated with the same kind of consideration the Apache treated the white man with. And for the same reasons.

    What was the payback for whites displacing the Amerindians?

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    What was the payback for whites displacing the Amerindians?
     
    its going on all over today

    excoriated as "racists" and oppressors

    Affirmative Action, double standards galore, crime, rapes, the joys of 'diversity' and 'celebrate multiculturalism'

    massive immigration of 'first class' citizens into their lands to replace them and foist strife and misery

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/ju79YT_lBVI

    duh
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  84. @Rehmat
    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work - they're still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    On August 25, Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report said: “Bernie Sanders and his supporters claim he is different, a breath of fresh air. Yet he “won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs” from Hillary Clinton and Republicans. “He doesn’t question why the US has the right to dictate policy to other nations, and “repeat the same discredited mantra” as Obama on the nuclear threat from Iran – a threat that even CIA has declared never existed. Socialism? He won’t even say the word.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

    Rehmat, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    There were never more than a few million “aboriginals” living on the territory of the current USA and Canada before Europeans arrived.

    Why stop at your absurd claim of 100-150 million?

    Why not also write about the teeming cities, productive farms, gardens, factories, and infrastructure the aboriginals had, which we destroyed? Oh that’s right, there were none.

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    There were never more than a few million “aboriginals” living on the territory of the current USA and Canada before Europeans arrived.
     
    About 6 million.
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  85. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by "Building a Wall!" or "Guarding Our Borders!" Therefore, focusing on those "solutions" is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of "IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!" But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *legal* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

    the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance..

    as usual provocative and insightful article Mr. Unz.

    for what it’s worth, I just feel you’re perhaps a little naïve when it comes to the sense of racial solidarity vis-à-vis Hispanics in general vs. other races. Blacks and Hispanics (and I don’t have to tell you- Jews) often have a very powerful sense of ethnic solidarity. Especially when it comes to an “other” in their midst. Hispanics will divide themselves among Cuban vs. Mexican vs. Puerto Rican and so on, unless they perceive that they’re threated by blacks or whites, in which case they’ll circle the wagons and protect ‘Latino’ interests.

    But if immigrants themselves have such strong economic reasons to oppose continuing heavy immigration, why in modern America have they almost invariably become leading political opponents of the anti-immigration groups advocating exactly those same policies?

    for the reason I just stated above. Unlike whites, most racial groups are loyal to their racial group as an instinctive, kneejerk imperative. Fill a room with a mix of Hispanics from Brazil and Honduras and Panama and El Salvador and a few others, and watch them bicker, but then add an equal mix of white men from Russia and Canada and England and assorted countries, and they’d coalesce immediately into ‘La Raza’. Just like blacks would do. It’s instinctive and predictable.

    So the politically-fearful white racial-activists who largely dominate the anti-immigration movement naturally believe that Hispanic immigrants are similarly motivated, and that the goal of their leaders is to swamp the country with more of their own background, thereby allowing them to seize political power along ethnic lines. However, there seems little evidence for this…

    I almost feel you’re being disingenuous here. The whole La Raza and Reconquista movements all exist in direct repudiation of that last sentence you wrote there. Just as the blacks of Zimbabwe were and still seem willing to starve or at least suffer much worse hardships than they ever endured under white rule, people will go to great lengths to impose their ethnic and tribal domination over the lands they’re occupying, even up to and including all out war. This has been the history of man since time began. You can tell the Comanche that he enjoys much better living conditions under the largess and benevolence of the white man, than the short, diseased life of hunger and hardship on the plains, but I suspect he’d still prefer to kill every last white man on the continent- to have his lands back, than to subjugation by another race, however gilded the cage.

    This is the whole reason there are burgeoning independence movements all over the place. Catalonia, the Kurds, the Basques, the Ukrainians, even the Libyan and Syrian Islamics who prefer daily horrors to the rule by a man not of their tribe or custom.

    People want and demand self-determination. It is a human imperative, and at its most fundamental, it’s tribal/racial.

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    Hey Rurik,

    Latin America is far from the monolithic creature you Americans seem to think it is, Demographics included.
    Your example lumping together Brazil with Central American ‘Hispanics’ is quite telling of this ignorance.
    Brazil is not even generally considered ‘hispanic’, given that it was not a Spanish colony but a Portuguese one.
    The different language and culture means the country is actually pretty insulated from its spanish speaking neighbors.
    Furthermore, whereas the Central American countries you mentioned are not very racially/ethnically diverse, featuring largely Mestizo populations, Brazil does have a huge white population - mostly of Southern European extraction, but also Germans & Eastern Euros – as well as West Asians – from Lebanon/Syria – and East Asians(mostly Japanese, largest Jap diaspora in the World).

    The Portuguese make up the majority of whites in Brazil, but the country is home to the 2nd largest German diaspora(after Zusa) in the world, with some 7/8 million people, as well as the largest Italian one, 2nd largest Polish diaspora, 4th largest Ukranian & many smaller groups. With the exception of the Portuguese descendants, who can be found troughout the country, most other groups are heavily concentrated in parts of the Southeastern & Southern regions.
    German-brazilians in the south-eastern state of Espirito Santo.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLeDfu82Do

    The Oktoberfest in Blumenau(South of Brazil), the largest in Brazil and one of the largest in the world, attracting as many as 1 million people from all over the country.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7dG3rNPmpg

    Grape Party in Caxias do Sul, a city inhabited largely by people of Northern Italian descent.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQKF0piLcs

    Anyways, ‘Hispanic’, or ‘Latino’ for that matter, are not valid racial or ethnic classifications, IMO.
    Obviously that in the US, given their main countries of origin and social class, they tend to be Mestizos.
    ‘Hispanic’ countries also may be quite different from one another.
    Argentina and Uruguay have white majorities, and very heavily european influenced cultures. I know both countries.
    On the other hand, other South American countries, such as Peru and Bolívia, are largely amerindian and mestizo, with only small or relatively small white minorities.

    As far as ‘Hispanics’ in America go, Mexicans far outnumber any other group, accounting for some 64% of said population. The 5 following national groups, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Salvadorans, Dominicans & Guatemalans, all put together, add up to only 20%.
    Interesting to note that some nationalities have done better than others;
    Puerto Ricans seem to have done poorly while Cubans have done quite well. Cubans do better than all other ‘hispanics’ and, for those who are US born, a little better even than non-hispanic whites, it seems.
    For ex:

    “In contrast, U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a higher median income than even non-Hispanic whites, $50,000 as compared to $48,000 for non-Hispanic whites.[31]
    “39% of U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a college degree or higher, as compared to only 30% of non-Hispanic whites.[31]”

     

    I don’t know for sure, but possibly the Cuban immigrants have come from somewhat better backgrounds? Also, many Cubans r white, though most americans don’t seem to understand that.

    Take care
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  86. @Rehmat
    What a B.S. dude.

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don't want to work.

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office - and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money - are White Folks.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto - most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don't mind living in your self-denial.

    >Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    >When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don’t mind living in your self-denial.

    I understand where you’re coming from but a huge reason a lot of poor white people are getting into those kinds of situations is because they were operating on the idea that they could get jobs like their parents’ and grandparents’ generation.

    Poor black people such as angry LA residents who attack stores owned by South and East Asian immigrants, were in the same situation a generation ago. It’s a shitty situation all around though it’s possible for Blacks and Asians to unite against a “legacy of white racism”.

    But ultimately, the problem is about low skilled workers not being able to compete in the economy. When race relations get caught in the mix it becomes an ugly situation and racism is magnified. The same thing happened between the different European immigrants in NYC during the Ellis Island wave of migration.

    If you’re from an immigrant background, you’re used to your parents talking about the hard life in the old country. You’re aware that your standard of living is higher than your parents’. But imagine having parents who were able to buy houses and the latest cars on the salary of one high school graduate. Imagine not being able to keep up and then seeing random immigrants popping up all over the place, with foreign language signs where Joe’s Diner used to be.

    I am totally against racism and nativism. But I can see where it comes from. The problem is figuring out what can be done for folks who have been oppressed by classism for years and years, who feel that their grandparents and great-grandparents were the ones who worked hard in terms of building industrial America in the first place.

    If your grandparents had built a certain village in Mexico, would you not feel that you were entitled to some of the benefits of this village? What if the village became poor and a bunch of Swedes started moving in at the same time? How would you feel about this? Of course you would be aware that race prejudice is wrong. But you would also feel that you deserve a certain standard of living and that the social contract has been broken.

    There are really no easy answers. I understand that this site is a clearinghouse for nativism. But ultimately, the problem is economic and not racial.

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    Don't get caught up in Rehmat's trollish moral equivalency. "Whites" have among the lowest rates of welfare usage by ethnic group. Rehmat and his taqiyya brethren are some of the worst abusers of the system.

    A high trust/high cooperation society has historically provided more of what you talk about here. Alas, is is going away under the assault of Rehmat and his hordes.
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  87. @Chiquita LeStrange
    >There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can’t DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    So you're saying that media bias against minorities DOES exist? Wow quite progressive. I'm glad to hear. #OscarsSoSaxon

    So you’re saying that media bias against minorities DOES exist? Wow quite progressive. I’m glad to hear.

    Nope, but I can use smaller words. Let’s see here … Hollywood movies are always 100% historically accurate.

    Darn, still a lot of big words.

    Do you believe the shinola Hollywood pumps out because you can’t read, and you rely on hi-res video as pure truth?

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  88. @RadicalCenter
    Rehmat, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    There were never more than a few million "aboriginals" living on the territory of the current USA and Canada before Europeans arrived.

    Why stop at your absurd claim of 100-150 million?

    Why not also write about the teeming cities, productive farms, gardens, factories, and infrastructure the aboriginals had, which we destroyed? Oh that's right, there were none.

    There were never more than a few million “aboriginals” living on the territory of the current USA and Canada before Europeans arrived.

    About 6 million.

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  89. bomag says:
    @Rehmat
    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work - they're still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    On August 25, Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report said: “Bernie Sanders and his supporters claim he is different, a breath of fresh air. Yet he “won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs” from Hillary Clinton and Republicans. “He doesn’t question why the US has the right to dictate policy to other nations, and “repeat the same discredited mantra” as Obama on the nuclear threat from Iran – a threat that even CIA has declared never existed. Socialism? He won’t even say the word.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

    Obviously, Rehmat is one of our glorious recent immigrants who spends his time criticizing historic America to enough applause that he comes here to lecture us on our faults.

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.

    The Originals are immigrants also. Otherwise your statement establishes everyone as having an equal claim to the US. Very convenient point for you.

    When occupation became expensive…

    No. There was great opportunity for building a nation, thanks to new inventions and their applications.

    It was these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    Few deny those contributions. But the contribution is vastly exaggerated today to the point where all immigrants are fetishized as an economic powerhouse that we desperately need lest we not be able to feed ourselves.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor

    You’re not even trying. Our recent immigrant craze has coincided with an industrial shrinkage. The areas with growth have done so with machine labor. Most immigrants cost more than they contribute. If they were all that you think they are, they could produce in their home countries while creating and feeding a market there.

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    Of course Rehmat, and all the others like him, did not come to North America to live in a wigwam and live off the land, and they fail to explain how their being here benefits American Indians. These people are nothing but a corrosive influence, and should be sent packing yesterday. Why invite trouble?
    , @Discard
    Bomag, you missed a phrase of Rehmat's. These "latter immigrants" he writes of are, he claims, from Asia and Africa. Apparent Ellis Island was filled with Blacks and Chinese, not Jews, Italians, and Slavs.

    I deny the contributions of Orientals and Blacks to America's industrial growth.
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  90. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by "Building a Wall!" or "Guarding Our Borders!" Therefore, focusing on those "solutions" is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of "IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!" But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *legal* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

    Agree to some extent. When most of the immigrants are low-skilled and come in such great numbers legal vs. illegal is a distinction without a difference. They bring the same problems with them whether they’ve come in through the front door or hopped the border with the help of a coyote.

    We never should have ditched the system we had, i.e. limit immigration to about 250K a year, take almost all from countries that had been the traditional sources of immigrants, and exclude everybody else, with reasonable accommodations made for a handful of exceptional cases.

    Hearing “broken immigration system” mindlessly repeated ad nauseam really grates. Our system isn’t broken, it was deliberately trashed in a spasm of hand wringing liberal guilt over the horrible way we had treated complete strangers in countries thousands of miles away.

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  91. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by "Building a Wall!" or "Guarding Our Borders!" Therefore, focusing on those "solutions" is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of "IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!" But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *legal* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly.

    Take your pick, legal or illegal, there is no difference in effect — you said so yourself. And the effect is a continuing process of the destruction of America.

    How to change it? 1. Stop legal immigration. and 2. Enforce the law. Yes, it is THAT simple.

    Can legal immigration be stopped? Of course not — the government pays no attention whatsoever to what productive Americans have to say — none. The government is corrupt throughout, a pawn of the oligarchs, the MI complex and banks. It’s a done deal. Will the law be enforced? Of course not. Rampant immigration will continue, unabated and uncontrolled, until revolution explodes.

    Personally, I indulge in wishful thinking, but deluded I am not.

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  92. It’s sad how Bernie caved on the illegal immigration issue. That could have been his issue. He was very much opposed to amnesty and open borders in 2007. By March 2016, he was being bullied on national television by Jorge Ramos at the Democrat debate and vying with Hillary over who could give away more goodies to the invaders. This isn’t Sanders. He knows better than anyone you can’t have a Swedish welfare state and open borders. It’s madness.

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  93. Rurik says:
    @Rehmat
    Thanks proving me right dude - your brain is hanging between your legs.

    Now you wants to believe that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franz Ferdinand, Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian Jew, etc. were not WHITES but Arabs, who wanted to get rid of White folks from the West in order to establish an Islamic state over the entire Europe - as Jewish Gatestone Institute claims.

    I do admire Stalin for killing seven million Ukrainian Christians while establishing a Jewish state in Soviet Russia.

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/06/13/birobidjan-the-first-jewish-state/

    Now you wants to believe that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franz Ferdinand, Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian Jew, etc. were not WHITES but Arabs,

    no silly

    the world wars you mention were exacerbated and foisted by Zionist Jews and their goyim stooges. Arabs were nothing but cannon fodder and patsies to the intrigues of these dominant men. Just like today. The world wars were fratricidal wars designed to slaughter off the flower of Europa. And that’s exactly what they did.

    in order to establish an Islamic state over the entire Europe

    this, just like the Reconquista of N. America I just mentioned, is an idiotic pipe dream. No one believes it. The only reason the Muslims are flooding into Europe and N. America is to leach off the largess of the West and cavort with white trash slags on crack. (there are of course exceptions, but you aren’t one ; ) And the only reason their able to do so in any numbers whatsoever, are the same reasons they were able to conquer Andalusia. Because of Jewish treachery inside the gates of Spain. Nothing new under the sun it seems.

    I do admire Stalin for killing seven million Ukrainian Christians

    of course you do! Just as you jerk off to newsreels of the Holocaust.

    there’s something very tiresome and predicable about the eternal untermenschen; Their self-loathing butt-hurt for one thing. Their envy. Their impotent rage. Forever frothing and shaking a little clenched fist at the universe for how it created them. It really is no wonder you flail about so in the toxic bile of your petty hatreds and curse your god for what he’s wrought.

    Perhaps you’re beyond redemption, but your not beyond pity. Alas.

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  94. bomag says:
    @Rehmat
    What a B.S. dude.

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don't want to work.

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office - and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money - are White Folks.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto - most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don't mind living in your self-denial.

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don’t want to work.

    So White folks are now parasites? Tell you what: you support your parasites; I’ll support mine.

    Most of the hiring “posts” are jobs we could do without or are being eliminated by high tech machines: marginal food service and hotel businesses should be shuttered rather than eek by with scab immigrants; likewise taxis and crop pickers.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians.

    And who, pray tell, built Toronto; the infrastructure for food production and distribution; the transportation and information devices that allows Muslims to immigrate to Canada and set up shop and tell us how we’ve done everything wrong since the beginning of time?

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  95. Rurik says:
    @Hacienda
    What was the payback for whites displacing the Amerindians?

    What was the payback for whites displacing the Amerindians?

    its going on all over today

    excoriated as “racists” and oppressors

    Affirmative Action, double standards galore, crime, rapes, the joys of ‘diversity’ and ‘celebrate multiculturalism’

    massive immigration of ‘first class’ citizens into their lands to replace them and foist strife and misery

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/ju79YT_lBVI

    duh

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  96. Rurik says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    There are plenty of American Indians. They're still around, protesting the pipeline in the mid west or haven't you seen the news.

    I know

    and God bless them

    they’re the ONLY group I feel any sense of sympathy for vis-a-vis the white man

    every other group that whines incessantly can go to hell

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f’d over by the white man’s treachery

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    Amerindians are a noble people who were f’d over by the white man’s treachery
     
    A) Nobility can be crippling.

    B) Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.

    C) Amerindians were on the way out, regardless. Urban trumps rural; Bantus push out Bushmen. If you play it back without "white man's treachery", you'd get the same result.
    , @Old fogey
    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action. The Europeans had some immunity to diseases that the Indians had never experienced before the arrival of the newcomers.
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  97. @bomag
    Obviously, Rehmat is one of our glorious recent immigrants who spends his time criticizing historic America to enough applause that he comes here to lecture us on our faults.

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.

    The Originals are immigrants also. Otherwise your statement establishes everyone as having an equal claim to the US. Very convenient point for you.

    When occupation became expensive...

    No. There was great opportunity for building a nation, thanks to new inventions and their applications.

    It was these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    Few deny those contributions. But the contribution is vastly exaggerated today to the point where all immigrants are fetishized as an economic powerhouse that we desperately need lest we not be able to feed ourselves.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor

    You're not even trying. Our recent immigrant craze has coincided with an industrial shrinkage. The areas with growth have done so with machine labor. Most immigrants cost more than they contribute. If they were all that you think they are, they could produce in their home countries while creating and feeding a market there.

    Of course Rehmat, and all the others like him, did not come to North America to live in a wigwam and live off the land, and they fail to explain how their being here benefits American Indians. These people are nothing but a corrosive influence, and should be sent packing yesterday. Why invite trouble?

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  98. Discard says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    Look at the biggest immigrant groups. No Mexican, Indian, or Chinese military power has ever conquered part of the US. Mexico can't even secure their own border, the Chinese burned their ships rather than colonize overseas, and a nation exemplified by Gandhi doesn't really sound like a bunch of warlords.

    There aren't even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You're projecting.

    A crowd of straw men. Are you saying that Mexico’s inability to secure their southern border has any bearing on their mass migration to the US at the behest of our ruling elites?
    That China’s foreign policy of 500 years ago means that they are not coming here and colonizing town after town?
    That India’s inability to send Hindu paratroopers and Marines to invade us means they are good Americans?

    BTW, you are pretty ill-informed to think that the popular image of Gandhi exemplifies India. They’ve had how many wars with Pakistan?
    For that matter, you’re pretty ill-informed to think that Gandhi was anything but a clever politician. Were he the “Great Soul” of legend, he would not have had such useless parasites for sons.

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  99. Discard says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    >There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can’t DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    So you're saying that media bias against minorities DOES exist? Wow quite progressive. I'm glad to hear. #OscarsSoSaxon

    #OscarsSoAshkenazi. Fixed it for you.

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  100. @Rehmat
    Stop whining over your stupidity moron. If you Whites let Muslims live in peace among western nation - why pro-Israel White donkeys like Donald Trump, Killery Clinton, and the other GOP White creeps are barking on Muslims and Afro-Americans?

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/07/donald-trump-a-judas-goat/

    I’ll take that to mean that you don’t see a difference between average whites and the psychopaths who rule over them, and who invite people like you to live here. No wonder so many Muslims support terrorism.

    I’m not going to waste my time reading one of your articles. I’m no Zionist or neocon, but I completely understand that you would gladly ally with both against whites, no matter how many of your fellow Muslims paid the price. That happens all the time.

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  101. bomag says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    >Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    >When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don’t mind living in your self-denial.

    I understand where you're coming from but a huge reason a lot of poor white people are getting into those kinds of situations is because they were operating on the idea that they could get jobs like their parents' and grandparents' generation.

    Poor black people such as angry LA residents who attack stores owned by South and East Asian immigrants, were in the same situation a generation ago. It's a shitty situation all around though it's possible for Blacks and Asians to unite against a "legacy of white racism".

    But ultimately, the problem is about low skilled workers not being able to compete in the economy. When race relations get caught in the mix it becomes an ugly situation and racism is magnified. The same thing happened between the different European immigrants in NYC during the Ellis Island wave of migration.

    If you're from an immigrant background, you're used to your parents talking about the hard life in the old country. You're aware that your standard of living is higher than your parents'. But imagine having parents who were able to buy houses and the latest cars on the salary of one high school graduate. Imagine not being able to keep up and then seeing random immigrants popping up all over the place, with foreign language signs where Joe's Diner used to be.

    I am totally against racism and nativism. But I can see where it comes from. The problem is figuring out what can be done for folks who have been oppressed by classism for years and years, who feel that their grandparents and great-grandparents were the ones who worked hard in terms of building industrial America in the first place.

    If your grandparents had built a certain village in Mexico, would you not feel that you were entitled to some of the benefits of this village? What if the village became poor and a bunch of Swedes started moving in at the same time? How would you feel about this? Of course you would be aware that race prejudice is wrong. But you would also feel that you deserve a certain standard of living and that the social contract has been broken.

    There are really no easy answers. I understand that this site is a clearinghouse for nativism. But ultimately, the problem is economic and not racial.

    Don’t get caught up in Rehmat’s trollish moral equivalency. “Whites” have among the lowest rates of welfare usage by ethnic group. Rehmat and his taqiyya brethren are some of the worst abusers of the system.

    A high trust/high cooperation society has historically provided more of what you talk about here. Alas, is is going away under the assault of Rehmat and his hordes.

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  102. Mr. Unz -The problem of immigration is not ECONOMIC, it is demographic.

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  103. Discard says:
    @Rehmat
    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work - they're still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    On August 25, Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report said: “Bernie Sanders and his supporters claim he is different, a breath of fresh air. Yet he “won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs” from Hillary Clinton and Republicans. “He doesn’t question why the US has the right to dictate policy to other nations, and “repeat the same discredited mantra” as Obama on the nuclear threat from Iran – a threat that even CIA has declared never existed. Socialism? He won’t even say the word.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

    “…opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It ‘were’ these latter immigrants who played a major part in making (the) United States an industrial giant.”

    Wrong. Chinese immigration was outlawed in 1880, IIRC. And there never were that many, and few of them ever made it east of the Mississippi, where almost all the industry was. And the Japanese immigrants were farmers and shopkeepers and remained so until after WW2.

    Wrong again. With the end of slavery, there was no immigration from Africa. The immigration of the later 19th Century was European. How can you be so ignorant? Let me guess…College?

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  104. Discard says:
    @bomag
    Obviously, Rehmat is one of our glorious recent immigrants who spends his time criticizing historic America to enough applause that he comes here to lecture us on our faults.

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.

    The Originals are immigrants also. Otherwise your statement establishes everyone as having an equal claim to the US. Very convenient point for you.

    When occupation became expensive...

    No. There was great opportunity for building a nation, thanks to new inventions and their applications.

    It was these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    Few deny those contributions. But the contribution is vastly exaggerated today to the point where all immigrants are fetishized as an economic powerhouse that we desperately need lest we not be able to feed ourselves.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor

    You're not even trying. Our recent immigrant craze has coincided with an industrial shrinkage. The areas with growth have done so with machine labor. Most immigrants cost more than they contribute. If they were all that you think they are, they could produce in their home countries while creating and feeding a market there.

    Bomag, you missed a phrase of Rehmat’s. These “latter immigrants” he writes of are, he claims, from Asia and Africa. Apparent Ellis Island was filled with Blacks and Chinese, not Jews, Italians, and Slavs.

    I deny the contributions of Orientals and Blacks to America’s industrial growth.

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  105. jackson says:

    Google the terms “Mexican drug gang torture” and check out the many video hits to see how incredibly similar Swedes and Mexicans really are.

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  106. bomag says:
    @Rurik
    I know

    and God bless them

    they're the ONLY group I feel any sense of sympathy for vis-a-vis the white man

    every other group that whines incessantly can go to hell

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f'd over by the white man's treachery

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f’d over by the white man’s treachery

    A) Nobility can be crippling.

    B) Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.

    C) Amerindians were on the way out, regardless. Urban trumps rural; Bantus push out Bushmen. If you play it back without “white man’s treachery”, you’d get the same result.

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    Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.
     
    perhaps

    I realize they were savages and, at times unspeakably cruel, oftentimes to their own women

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    their reverence for wolves and eagles and other magnificent wonders of nature (or God's creation of whatever you want to call it) are something the white man woefully lacks in his greed-based soul.

    perhaps most of all, with all the shrill and badgering and incessant whining and kvetching and crybaby whining of certain other minorities, about slavery, Holocaust, slavery, Holocaust, slavery!!!, Holocaust !!! .... ad infinitum, until you're so sick to death of their red-faced scolding demands for more and more and eternally more... demands upon you, and for nothing that anyone alive had anything whatsoever to do with.... !!!!

    any minority that doesn't relentlessly remind you of a rotten spoiled brat who is NEVER satisfied, begins to look like a saint by comparison.

    plus, I just seem to like those people when I meet them

    they have a kind of 'anima' or spirituality that I seem to resonate with

    a sort of congenital contempt for so-called corporal "authority"

    perhaps I was one in a past life, don't know..
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  107. Excellent ideas, that offer a genuine possibility that this toxic issue can be quickly and decently resolved.

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.

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    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.
     
    Actually, I've been writing for five years now regarding the impact of a high minimum wage on illegal immigration, and I think my reasoning is pretty sound.

    The key thing is that hiring illegal immigrants is regarded as a "victimless crime" by most elites and much of the public, along with the MSM, judges, and liberals, hence enforcement laws are very weak. Pro-immigrant Democrats will join with pro-immigration Republicans to keep them weak.

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *extremely* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as "felony wage theft," punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn't worth the risk.

    Judges who sent such greedy employers to prison would be praised by the NYT, very much unlike any judges who try to enforce illegal immigration laws.

    Having the MSM enthusiastically supporting your policies makes it much easier to have them enforced.

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#escaping-the-low-wage-society
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  108. artichoke says:
    @KenH

    “In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”
     
    That's stretching things just a wee bit. While an increasing number of whites are wary and distrustful of blacks and want the border sealed and illegal aliens deported, they have imbibed so much of the multicultural, egalitarian poison that the sweeping demographic changes don't phase them very much since they are pious believers in the power of assimilation (of third world immigrants) much like a pious Muslim's faith in Allah.

    The majority of whites are also economic determinists who reason (erroneously) that a strong economy equals good race relations not realizing that there are irreconcilable and biological differences among each group which inevitably cause friction. They quickly forget that, in the 1960's, the economy was strong with blue collar jobs galore, but that didn't stop the violent negro insurgency that would later come to be known as the so called civil rights movement.

    It’s better to face such an insurgency from a position of a strong position in society. In fact it’s best of the blacks and whites are both better off, then they can be more independent and have racial self esteem on both sides. From such a position, a deal is possible.

    But before loving someone else, it’s necessary to love oneself. We’re not there at the moment.

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  109. Ron Unz says:
    @James N. Kennett
    Excellent ideas, that offer a genuine possibility that this toxic issue can be quickly and decently resolved.

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.

    Actually, I’ve been writing for five years now regarding the impact of a high minimum wage on illegal immigration, and I think my reasoning is pretty sound.

    The key thing is that hiring illegal immigrants is regarded as a “victimless crime” by most elites and much of the public, along with the MSM, judges, and liberals, hence enforcement laws are very weak. Pro-immigrant Democrats will join with pro-immigration Republicans to keep them weak.

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *extremely* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as “felony wage theft,” punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn’t worth the risk.

    Judges who sent such greedy employers to prison would be praised by the NYT, very much unlike any judges who try to enforce illegal immigration laws.

    Having the MSM enthusiastically supporting your policies makes it much easier to have them enforced.

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#escaping-the-low-wage-society

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    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *extremely* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.
     
    I don't see that support materializing. We are trained to see sub-minimum wage as a way to give something to an immigrant who otherwise would be starving to death under extreme torture in his home country. Plus, people like to give things to businesses, and it is the usual painless giveaway to turn a blind eye to underpaying immigrants in fields that don't affect most people, except to lower the cost of roofing and yardwork.
    , @James N. Kennett

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as “felony wage theft,” punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn’t worth the risk.
     
    This too is an excellent idea, but it is necessary to think of the exceptions. How would a criminal or a lawyer work around the new system? For example, the pool guy who works at five homes might become a self-employed contractor, if this would exempt his clients from minimum wage laws.

    Even if the problem could be entirely recast as "felony wage theft", I would not count on the unqualified support of the MSM. Perhaps the NYT writer employs a nanny, but cannot afford to pay the minimum wage, so she hires a Colombian illegal. It would not surprise me if everyone at the NYT knows someone who does this, so they will feel personally conflicted about the idea of "felony wage theft".

    I believe that your proposals are worthwhile in their own right, but I think that to substantially reduce illegal immigration there is no substitute for a physical barrier.
    , @unpc downunder
    Your reasoning is probably correct. In Australia, the MSM tends to be pro-immigrant and will jump on natives who complain about the problems caused immigration. However, they will report stories about immigrants being underpaid by greedy employers.

    However, there are other economic factors than influence immigration, and one of the biggest is free trade deals. Illegal immigration to the US expanded rapidly following the NAFTA free trade deal:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/weekinreview/18uchitelle.html

    Unfortunately, many immigration restrictionists are staunch right-wingers on economic issues so they don't see these kind of connections.
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  110. Rurik says:
    @bomag

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f’d over by the white man’s treachery
     
    A) Nobility can be crippling.

    B) Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.

    C) Amerindians were on the way out, regardless. Urban trumps rural; Bantus push out Bushmen. If you play it back without "white man's treachery", you'd get the same result.

    Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.

    perhaps

    I realize they were savages and, at times unspeakably cruel, oftentimes to their own women

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    their reverence for wolves and eagles and other magnificent wonders of nature (or God’s creation of whatever you want to call it) are something the white man woefully lacks in his greed-based soul.

    perhaps most of all, with all the shrill and badgering and incessant whining and kvetching and crybaby whining of certain other minorities, about slavery, Holocaust, slavery, Holocaust, slavery!!!, Holocaust !!! …. ad infinitum, until you’re so sick to death of their red-faced scolding demands for more and more and eternally more… demands upon you, and for nothing that anyone alive had anything whatsoever to do with…. !!!!

    any minority that doesn’t relentlessly remind you of a rotten spoiled brat who is NEVER satisfied, begins to look like a saint by comparison.

    plus, I just seem to like those people when I meet them

    they have a kind of ‘anima’ or spirituality that I seem to resonate with

    a sort of congenital contempt for so-called corporal “authority”

    perhaps I was one in a past life, don’t know..

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    Lol, the Mayans did themselves in by deforestation.

    https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/06oct_maya
    , @bomag

    they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.
     
    One of the perks of a slower way of life is that you have fewer reasons to hate your enemy; if you have one person per square mile or less, there is more to go around and more places to escape; magnanimity comes a little easier under those circumstances.

    But "mindless, infinite greed" has become the strategy du jour on the globe; needed to cram seven billion people on this fragile rock, with more coming to a place near you soon. Under those circumstances, it is more likely that the aggressive, complaining scam artist carries the day.

    , @dfordoom

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with
     
    They completely wiped out most of the megafauna. So much for their deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things.
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  111. @Carlton Meyer
    Great ideas, and I applaud you, except:

    "Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members."

    Another amnesty? After the last one caused another 50 million to flood across? What about the millions who legally applied and are still waiting for their legal entry? And no criminal record doesn't mean no criminal activity. Illegal entry is a crime. Applying for a job is a crime. Not filing federal and state income tax returns is a crime. Applying for benefits with another's SSN or a TIN is a crime. And then you run into Obama's edicts that misdemeanors are not really crimes, and neither are "non-serious" felonies.

    And what about the billions of dollars of unpaid hospital bills for things like child birth? Few can live illegally in the USA for years without engaging in criminal activity. Moreover, what message does another amnesty send to the billions of prospective illegal immigrants throughout the world? Finally, what about the millions of poor Americans denied a job because it was given to a foreigner who came here illegally?

    All this is summed up in basic parenting: You cannot reward bad behavior! Illegal means illegal. Deport. And if they choose to abandon their children, it reflects their values, or desperation. Perhaps the world's richest man, Mexico's Carlos Slim, owner of our New York Times, can employ them in Mexico!

    Another amnesty means another 20 million border jumpers over the next decade. The last thing this USA needs in this era of automation are more unskilled workers! Be humane, send them home.

    ……and all those illegals will leave rather than take a $15/hr job ????

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  112. What is the benefit for whites??

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  113. jackson says:
    @Rurik

    Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.
     
    perhaps

    I realize they were savages and, at times unspeakably cruel, oftentimes to their own women

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    their reverence for wolves and eagles and other magnificent wonders of nature (or God's creation of whatever you want to call it) are something the white man woefully lacks in his greed-based soul.

    perhaps most of all, with all the shrill and badgering and incessant whining and kvetching and crybaby whining of certain other minorities, about slavery, Holocaust, slavery, Holocaust, slavery!!!, Holocaust !!! .... ad infinitum, until you're so sick to death of their red-faced scolding demands for more and more and eternally more... demands upon you, and for nothing that anyone alive had anything whatsoever to do with.... !!!!

    any minority that doesn't relentlessly remind you of a rotten spoiled brat who is NEVER satisfied, begins to look like a saint by comparison.

    plus, I just seem to like those people when I meet them

    they have a kind of 'anima' or spirituality that I seem to resonate with

    a sort of congenital contempt for so-called corporal "authority"

    perhaps I was one in a past life, don't know..

    Lol, the Mayans did themselves in by deforestation.

    https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/06oct_maya

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    the Mayans did themselves in
     
    yea, well .. they were acting like the white man

    worshiping 'Gods' with mortal representatives making human sacrifices

    just like the white man. Amassing gold and slaves and such

    humans are best when they're closest to nature and each other (with defined borders), and farthest from deities (and their human representatives on earth) that demand human sacrifices

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  114. bomag says:
    @Rurik

    Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.
     
    perhaps

    I realize they were savages and, at times unspeakably cruel, oftentimes to their own women

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    their reverence for wolves and eagles and other magnificent wonders of nature (or God's creation of whatever you want to call it) are something the white man woefully lacks in his greed-based soul.

    perhaps most of all, with all the shrill and badgering and incessant whining and kvetching and crybaby whining of certain other minorities, about slavery, Holocaust, slavery, Holocaust, slavery!!!, Holocaust !!! .... ad infinitum, until you're so sick to death of their red-faced scolding demands for more and more and eternally more... demands upon you, and for nothing that anyone alive had anything whatsoever to do with.... !!!!

    any minority that doesn't relentlessly remind you of a rotten spoiled brat who is NEVER satisfied, begins to look like a saint by comparison.

    plus, I just seem to like those people when I meet them

    they have a kind of 'anima' or spirituality that I seem to resonate with

    a sort of congenital contempt for so-called corporal "authority"

    perhaps I was one in a past life, don't know..

    they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    One of the perks of a slower way of life is that you have fewer reasons to hate your enemy; if you have one person per square mile or less, there is more to go around and more places to escape; magnanimity comes a little easier under those circumstances.

    But “mindless, infinite greed” has become the strategy du jour on the globe; needed to cram seven billion people on this fragile rock, with more coming to a place near you soon. Under those circumstances, it is more likely that the aggressive, complaining scam artist carries the day.

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  115. Rurik says:
    @jackson
    Lol, the Mayans did themselves in by deforestation.

    https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/06oct_maya

    the Mayans did themselves in

    yea, well .. they were acting like the white man

    worshiping ‘Gods’ with mortal representatives making human sacrifices

    just like the white man. Amassing gold and slaves and such

    humans are best when they’re closest to nature and each other (with defined borders), and farthest from deities (and their human representatives on earth) that demand human sacrifices

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  116. bomag says:
    @Ron Unz

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.
     
    Actually, I've been writing for five years now regarding the impact of a high minimum wage on illegal immigration, and I think my reasoning is pretty sound.

    The key thing is that hiring illegal immigrants is regarded as a "victimless crime" by most elites and much of the public, along with the MSM, judges, and liberals, hence enforcement laws are very weak. Pro-immigrant Democrats will join with pro-immigration Republicans to keep them weak.

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *extremely* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as "felony wage theft," punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn't worth the risk.

    Judges who sent such greedy employers to prison would be praised by the NYT, very much unlike any judges who try to enforce illegal immigration laws.

    Having the MSM enthusiastically supporting your policies makes it much easier to have them enforced.

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#escaping-the-low-wage-society

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *extremely* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    I don’t see that support materializing. We are trained to see sub-minimum wage as a way to give something to an immigrant who otherwise would be starving to death under extreme torture in his home country. Plus, people like to give things to businesses, and it is the usual painless giveaway to turn a blind eye to underpaying immigrants in fields that don’t affect most people, except to lower the cost of roofing and yardwork.

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  117. Realist says:

    All immigration should be stopped. With the possible exception of of those with an IQ of 130 or greater.

    I can only surmise that Ron is doing this for gain in his political run.

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  118. Boris says:
    @woodNfish
    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn't want any change, he's a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.

    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn’t want any change, he’s a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.

    Thank you. I scour the internet for bits of impotent anger from the alt right and this is getting printed out on some glossy paper and placed in a prominent spot in my collection. C’est magnifique!

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    Everything comes to an end, Boris. Do you believe that the current situation where whites are content with being everyone's whipping boy, both literally and figuratively, will last forever? There is already lots of racial and political violence (mostly directed at whites) in the U.S. Eventually whites outside of prisons will join the fray. Do you believe that America will last another 200 years?
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  119. @Boris

    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn’t want any change, he’s a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.
     
    Thank you. I scour the internet for bits of impotent anger from the alt right and this is getting printed out on some glossy paper and placed in a prominent spot in my collection. C'est magnifique!

    Everything comes to an end, Boris. Do you believe that the current situation where whites are content with being everyone’s whipping boy, both literally and figuratively, will last forever? There is already lots of racial and political violence (mostly directed at whites) in the U.S. Eventually whites outside of prisons will join the fray. Do you believe that America will last another 200 years?

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  120. And it’s not just impoverished Latinos flooding northward, from my blog:

    Sep 6, 2016 – Africans Cross Mexico

    I few weeks ago, I posted a story about thousands of Africans entering Latin America and heading north. Now read this:

    Mexico issuing transit visas to African migrants flocking to U.S.-Mexico border

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/09/03/mexican-immigration-officials-issue-visas-after-surge-african-migrants/

    I wish the Trump campaign would discover this issue. International agreements are that refugees are granted refugee by the first nation they reach. But Latin American nations are shooing them north, and Mexico is doing this openly. Imagine if our Border Patrol loaded them on buses and took them to the Canadian border. I’d turn them away at the border or put them on an airplane back home ASAP. The USA needs to end this illegal migration racket now! Put the US Army back on our border!

    http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm

    ______________________________

    And once they succeed, e-mails shoot home and millions will head across the South Atlantic. Mexico might set up a full-time bus shuttle system for them. A newer post:

    [MORE]

    Oct 1, 2016 – Violent Immigrant Invaders

    Our corporate media has begun to censor stories that involve immigrant violence, because such reality supports Trump’s claims. Our media provided heavy coverage of the shopping mall shooting in Washington state, but most refused to report that the crazed killer was an obnoxious Muslim from Turkey with lots of guns at home. And the crazy black guy shot by police in California turned out to be an illegal immigrant from Uganda with a long criminal record who ICE tried to deport twice, but our State Department refused to arrange travel. This fact was mostly ignored by our media, although ABC News reported it.

    Obama’s team pretends that they can’t deport dangerous criminals because some nations will not accept their own citizens! Yet no effort is made to pressure these nations diplomatically or with sanctions to force them to cooperate. In the case of defenseless nations like Haiti and Uganda, we can just fly a planeload of dangerous criminals to a neighboring country, or one of our dozen new military bases in Africa, and then use a helicopter to dump them off. This topic would be a news story of great interest, and I hope Trump speaks about this to see if Clinton agrees that something must be done.

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  121. Cyrano says:

    At first Americans tried to prove to the world how great they are by being mean – slavery, then they tried to prove how great they are by trying to be nice – multiculturalism. The third and final chapter in the saga is going to be multigalacticism. It’s going to work like this: NASA is already probing the space for alien life. Once they find it – they’ll invite them to immigrate to US, thus finally, once and for all they’ll be able to get an objective and unbiased feedback from the space aliens about what a truly great people Americans are.

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  122. Stealth says:
    @Trelane
    Circa 1900 more than 57% of Americans had blue eyes. By 1950 this was down to 34% and today blue eyes are found in only 16% of the population. By 2100 only 1% of people in America will have blue eyes (it is estimated). Only 22% of today's American whites have blue eyes. (Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color).

    I’m a pro-white white guy, but the loss of blue eyes, red hair, and ultra-fair skin doesn’t bother me in the least. It’s all just melanoma and macular degeneration waiting to happen.

    I happen to be in possession of two and a half of those (red facial hair), and it’s no picnic to know that being caught in the sun for a few hours would result in third degree burns.

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    Blue eyes are a marker for N. European ancestry.

    It was once thought that blue eyes imparted some naturally selected advantage, e.g., better vision in a snow covered landscape. But this is doubtful since Nikkor and Carl Zeiss camera lenses don't seem to work better when painted blue. The trait of blue eyes is probably a sexually selected trait, not naturally selected.

    Northern European ancestry is disappearing rapidly in America. Now do you understand the point that was made?
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  123. Mr. Unz, I think that you diagnose the illness very well, but a major flaw in your argument is that while it may be true that recent immigrants compete with more established immigrants and thus drive down wages, I don’t think that they necessarily perceive this fact – or at least it is not the primary concern in terms of how they view the immigration issue. Since the United States is much more Balkanized than in the past, I think support for continued immigration by recent immigrants is motivated by a desire to augment their numbers in the United States in order to out-compete other ethnic groups and acquire more social and political power. A domestic community of 40,000 Narnians is an afterthought; a domestic community of 250,000 Narnians probably elects an ethnic-Narnian Congressman and has its support solicited by Governors and Senators, etc.

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    True. The Armenians of Glendale have already got themselves a Congressman agitating for anti-Turkish policies.
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  124. Trelane says:
    @Stealth
    I'm a pro-white white guy, but the loss of blue eyes, red hair, and ultra-fair skin doesn't bother me in the least. It's all just melanoma and macular degeneration waiting to happen.

    I happen to be in possession of two and a half of those (red facial hair), and it's no picnic to know that being caught in the sun for a few hours would result in third degree burns.

    Blue eyes are a marker for N. European ancestry.

    It was once thought that blue eyes imparted some naturally selected advantage, e.g., better vision in a snow covered landscape. But this is doubtful since Nikkor and Carl Zeiss camera lenses don’t seem to work better when painted blue. The trait of blue eyes is probably a sexually selected trait, not naturally selected.

    Northern European ancestry is disappearing rapidly in America. Now do you understand the point that was made?

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  125. Discard says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Mr. Unz, I think that you diagnose the illness very well, but a major flaw in your argument is that while it may be true that recent immigrants compete with more established immigrants and thus drive down wages, I don't think that they necessarily perceive this fact - or at least it is not the primary concern in terms of how they view the immigration issue. Since the United States is much more Balkanized than in the past, I think support for continued immigration by recent immigrants is motivated by a desire to augment their numbers in the United States in order to out-compete other ethnic groups and acquire more social and political power. A domestic community of 40,000 Narnians is an afterthought; a domestic community of 250,000 Narnians probably elects an ethnic-Narnian Congressman and has its support solicited by Governors and Senators, etc.

    True. The Armenians of Glendale have already got themselves a Congressman agitating for anti-Turkish policies.

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  126. Danny k. says:

    My only problem with this article: Hispanics are mostly Caucasian, and they also share a European cultural influence.

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  127. JohnDough says:

    Thanks for the thoughtful article and as always thanks for the great web site Mr. Unz!

    I live in Los Angeles and from what I’ve seen the concept of allowing illegal immigration and even allowing a sanctuary city is a mess. I agree with other posters that illegal means well, illegal. The downward pressure on wages and job competition is awful. Add to that a distinct and separate cash and tax free economy and that’s real trouble for the legal, honest, and decent citizens. With cash there are no labor laws, no minimum wage, no scrutiny by the EDD, no need to provide Obamacare, or other social services and tremendous profits!

    Cash businesses also have an advantage because they don’t have to pay sales tax at 9% or other wage taxes at 17%, those alone are a tremendous savings in competitive bidding! This has put destructive pressure on legal business and makes them not able to compete in bids financially. On paper many individuals and families have very low or no income which then opens up social services for them which they are not paying any taxes for. This is housing, roads, schools, food, healthcare, etc. And here we’re talking about billions of tax free money for decades in illicit profits and illicit use of social services!

    The other thing I look at with immigration is how things are going in the EU. We see the same there. In what is actually and in fact the indigenous home of whites, elites have opened the flood gates of third world illegal immigration under the guise of refugees which of course some are but most are economic migrants created by western wars in their regions of Africa and the Middle East. The EU isn’t even sure where many come from. Europe is being flooded with so many social upheaval is assured.

    When people try to defend their culture and communities they are denounced as right wing and the ever abused word “racists.” Unfortunately this points to ruling global elites that seek to destroy and undermine European people’s power in both the US and EU. It is a Balkanization, a divide and conquer move for cheap profits and social engineering to remove any obstacles that would have the cohesive strength to unseat them from positions of power.

    The problem isn’t the immigration laws of the US. The problem is that they haven’t been enforced and why is that so! Time for the 1% to be read the riot act.

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    The problem of newcomers coming to this country illegally and not paying attention to the local laws and customs, and not paying the proper amount in taxes is felt all over the country. I live in Westchester County, some 25 miles north of New York City. Between the 2000 and 2010 census the number of Hispanics in my zip code increased by 20 percent. On my street there are single-family houses that have four families living in them, and we now have to pick-up garbage thrown out of passing cars - something that was unheard of when we moved here 30 years ago. A Guatemalan neighbor was explaining to me in all seriousness how awful it was that illegal people without proper social security numbers had to pay social security tax using fictitious numbers, since those payments would not be considered toward their social security benefits when they retired (assuming that by that point they would be given citizenship). He complained that all the illegals here received no benefits at all for the taxes they paid. I reminded him that his two sons were educated through high school in the United States at no cost to him, and that many of his American-born neighbors - some with no children or whose children were fully grown - were paying $20,000/year in school taxes.
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  128. TWS says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    Look at the biggest immigrant groups. No Mexican, Indian, or Chinese military power has ever conquered part of the US. Mexico can't even secure their own border, the Chinese burned their ships rather than colonize overseas, and a nation exemplified by Gandhi doesn't really sound like a bunch of warlords.

    There aren't even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You're projecting.

    And you’re lying. I am only projecting into the future. If you knew anything about history you would know not every invasion is resisted by the powers that be. And they all end disastrously.

    History is full of examples of invasions either being invited or accepted by the powers that be in that nation and the nation then suffering or disappearing.

    The nation I was born in is gone. Is that temporary? Doubtful but maybe. Is there a chance to bring something like it back? Yes clearly but only if we have the will. Something you clearly lack. Or perhaps you think a multiethnic empire is to be desired? Those require strong central governments with draconian controls to keep the different groups in line along with bribes to the leaders of those groups to keep a lid on things.

    I for one do not welcome General Tito or Stalin running the country I am living in.

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  129. @jim jones
    My experience in London suggests that illegal immigrants work for cash in the restaurant industry, raising the minimum wage would have no effect in theses people.

    But woudn’t enforcement be easy if anyone really wanted it? Requiring proof that all the employees on the job at any given time were being paid the minimum wage would be the starting point.

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  130. Mark F. says:

    Any legislation that can get through Congress , regardless of whether we have a President Trump or a President Clinton, is going to have to be a “grand compromise ” including stuff you really don’t like. Welcome to the real world, not the Trumpkin fantasy one.

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  131. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by "Building a Wall!" or "Guarding Our Borders!" Therefore, focusing on those "solutions" is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of "IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!" But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *legal* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *legal* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

    2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly

    There is a valid point in there, but you miss the most important factor. Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries. It would be a statement in the strongest possible terms that we have the moral right and the moral responsibility to defend our borders (i.e. to exist … as Trump has pointed out, “if you can’t defend your borders you don’t have a country.”)

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    Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries.
     
    When it comes to spending $20B dollars for a symbol, count me out.
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  132. JohnDough says:

    Also as far as doing this legally I think that’s not a possibility. Just remember Netanyahu’s 29 standing ovations while addressing Congress. Any wonder as to why this is and how he got elected and why those people are sitting in those positions? It’s common knowledge what one minority group, and a white one at that supports open borders and both legal and illegal immigration for formerly Christian white countries but not their own cultural state. Here’s a cartoon to illustrate:

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  133. Ron, I like you, and I love what you are doing, and I wish you well in your political ambitions, but you are a little naïve.

    “Most of the powerful, immigrant-focused groups within the Democratic coalition are primarily concerned with the well-being of existing immigrants, whether legal or illegal, and have only a secondary interest in future levels of immigration.”

    This is false. Unless by “existing” you mean that they are concerned with the phony “right” of existing immigrants to bring in endless numbers of their supposed extended family through chain-migration. But then this is a distinction without a difference. But I still think it is prima facie false.

    At the bottom of your article, the feature-promoting software brought up Derb’s article about why Jennifer Rubin and Brett Stephens oppose Trump’s immigration limits. Derb is as delicate as possible as he concludes that they just have some kind of unconscious or semiconscious ethnic atavism against the dwindling majority. And it is hard to disagree. People like Jennifer Rubin and Brett Stephens are very well represented in the pro-immigration media and politics. (Actually “pro-immigration” is redundant as all media and all political donors (and therefore non-billionaire politicians) are pro-immigration.) There is no level of immigration they will ever be satisfied with. So, no, “the powerful, immigrant-focused groups within the Democratic coalition are” NOT “primarily concerned with the well-being of existing immigrants”. In fact they don’t really give a plop about them once they’ve dumped them on our shores. They just turn around and look for ways to bring more. They don’t care about crime, overcrowding, environmental damage, degraded health care or any of the other things that would interest people who were actually concerned about existing inhabitants.

    Similarly naïve,

    “The obvious explanation has been the extreme heavy-handedness of many on the anti-immigration side, who have often resorted to crude ethnic attacks or unwarranted vilification in making their case.”

    Seriously? I guess you haven’t noticed several decades of 24/7 demonization and Orwellian hate-focussing on the native-born founding stock. Or several decades of legally enforced discrimination against the native-born founding stock.

    Is it the Dem coalition or the anti-immigration collation who has wall-to-wall media for fictitious news and newsy fiction where the villains are always native whites while the noble victims are always the Other? Is it part of the Dem coalition or the anti-immigrant coalition that burns and loots cities while openly calling for killing law officers? Is it the Dem coalition or the anti-immigration coalition who ruthlessly suppresses dissent, shouting down any criticism and ensuring the social ostracism, career death, and if possible, the actual death, of any dissenters? Who is “heavy-handed” again?

    Sadly, the anti-immigration coalition will probably not realize its goals until it adopts the pitiless tactics that have served the Dem coalition so well. That’s not what I–nor anyone I know on the alt-right–wanted, but it is what the Dem coalition has chosen. To adapt Sherman, “Ruthlessness is the remedy our enemy has chosen. Let us give them all they want.”

    That said, I would actually support a “grand bargain” along the lines you describe. But it won’t happen. And not because of the anti-immigrationists. It won’t happen for the reasons outlined above. The Dem coalition are fanatics. They’ve gotten everything they want and more by not compromising. They won’t start now. Even if they say they will, they are lying as every previous “compromise” with them has shown.

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  135. Several commenters have made well reasoned criticisms of our host’s proposal. For instance, when first I read Mr Unz’ assertion that raising the minimum wage was a clever way for the right to reduce immigration my very first thought was, “that’s just extraordinarily naive”. I simply do not believe that there is any deal the Left would not make in order to legalize the 30 million illegals, nor any deal they will not break as soon as said legalization is accomplished. Minimum wage enforcement? Let us be very careful lest enforcement becomes a tool for the further marginalization of already hard pressed communities victimized by racism and bigotry. And so scarce enforcement resources will be concentrated on the most egregious cases of corporate abuse by Fortune 500 firms and state and local governments, and churches- not squandered on small businesses which provide so many of the paychecks for our struggling immigrant communities.

    I should very much enjoy reading Mr Unz response to these criticisms, although I have to admit that I equally enjoy the pissed off Unz Reality show character who calls us all stupid and puts paid to his argument.

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  136. @Tim Howells

    2) Obviously restricting *legal* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly
     
    There is a valid point in there, but you miss the most important factor. Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries. It would be a statement in the strongest possible terms that we have the moral right and the moral responsibility to defend our borders (i.e. to exist ... as Trump has pointed out, "if you can't defend your borders you don't have a country.")

    Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries.

    When it comes to spending $20B dollars for a symbol, count me out.

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    Oh the wall will very directly and in practical terms save hundreds or thousands of American lives and billions of dollars (net) in welfare handouts, education and medical care. I said that the most important factor was symbolic, or psychological, and global in scope. In case you haven't noticed we are massively engaged in a cultural and psychological struggle that we cannot afford to lose.
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  137. @Ron Unz

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.
     
    Actually, I've been writing for five years now regarding the impact of a high minimum wage on illegal immigration, and I think my reasoning is pretty sound.

    The key thing is that hiring illegal immigrants is regarded as a "victimless crime" by most elites and much of the public, along with the MSM, judges, and liberals, hence enforcement laws are very weak. Pro-immigrant Democrats will join with pro-immigration Republicans to keep them weak.

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *extremely* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as "felony wage theft," punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn't worth the risk.

    Judges who sent such greedy employers to prison would be praised by the NYT, very much unlike any judges who try to enforce illegal immigration laws.

    Having the MSM enthusiastically supporting your policies makes it much easier to have them enforced.

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#escaping-the-low-wage-society

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as “felony wage theft,” punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn’t worth the risk.

    This too is an excellent idea, but it is necessary to think of the exceptions. How would a criminal or a lawyer work around the new system? For example, the pool guy who works at five homes might become a self-employed contractor, if this would exempt his clients from minimum wage laws.

    Even if the problem could be entirely recast as “felony wage theft”, I would not count on the unqualified support of the MSM. Perhaps the NYT writer employs a nanny, but cannot afford to pay the minimum wage, so she hires a Colombian illegal. It would not surprise me if everyone at the NYT knows someone who does this, so they will feel personally conflicted about the idea of “felony wage theft”.

    I believe that your proposals are worthwhile in their own right, but I think that to substantially reduce illegal immigration there is no substitute for a physical barrier.

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  138. @Rehmat
    People who read Daniel Pipes' history of Muslims - become idiots like you.

    Arabs came to most African countries after the Dawn of Islam in 610 CE - especially after the Berber Muslims liberated Jew Serfs from Catholic-ruled Spain in 711 CE. Once the Spanish Jews became the elites in Muslim Spain - European Christians began throwing them out of Europe - at least 108 times.

    On December 14, 2015, two pro-Israel Jewish propaganda outlets, Washington Post and ABC News released result of their poll, asking participants whether American think Islam encourages violence. The poll found that only 28% of Americans agreed with the question (their information based on Jewish/Zionist Jingoism), while 54% called Islam a peaceful religion.

    Reformed Rabbi Allen S. Maller, led Temple Akiba in Culver City, CA for 39 years before retiring in 2006. He taught at University of Judaism in Las Angeles, and is author of several books and has penned columns for several Jewish publications. Rabbi Maller believes the West’s main problem with Islam is that it’s different philosophy from Judaism and Christianity. While both earlier Abrahamic religions got rid off religious ethics from politics, Islamic teachings refuse to separate religious ethics from politics and day-to-day social life.

    “Islam is not more violent than medieval Christianity or Biblical Judaism. But in the last two centuries, western democracies have learned the importance of the principle of separation of Church and State to civil peace. Also the wide spread separation of Church and State that is now normal in Europe and North America has kept religion out of political and military conflicts between different nations,” Rabbi Allen S. Maller said on December 28, 2015.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/01/02/rabbi-maller-islam-is-religion-of-tolerance/

    The histories I trust were written before Daniel Pipes was born.

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  139. Old fogey says:
    @Rurik
    I know

    and God bless them

    they're the ONLY group I feel any sense of sympathy for vis-a-vis the white man

    every other group that whines incessantly can go to hell

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f'd over by the white man's treachery

    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action. The Europeans had some immunity to diseases that the Indians had never experienced before the arrival of the newcomers.

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    Yeah, I'm sure if the illegally immigrating Mexicans brought diseases with them that killed off 90% of Euro-Amiercans you'd be all good with it, because, you know, diseases.
    , @Rurik

    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action.
     
    hoping that this is all on topic, and considering that this thread deals with immigration, (and the consequences and challenges of such).. I suppose the Amerindians and their experiences with mass-immigrations of a different race of people into their lands- presents a sort of case and point for us today.

    The indigenous people of the N. American continent did not fare well when the white man arrived in significant numbers. Sometimes they were friendly and were traded with, sometimes they were hostile and wiped out the white newcomers. But when the white man achieved sufficient numbers, and the Indians found it untenable to assimilate, the white man proceeded to drive these people from their lands. They often used guile and treachery and deceit to do so. And when the 'Indians' grew wise to the white man's 'forked tongue', and resisted his demands to move further and always further West, then the white man simply massacred them in their villages. Or he forced them on death marches into the scrub and eventually even wiped out his food supply; the buffalo.

    It was a genocide, and that's what happens when a people are unable or unwilling to prevent a competing race (or races) of people to supplant them in their lands. (are you listening white man?)

    This is what was done to the aborigines of Australia and it's what is being done to the whites of Zimbabwe today and the Arabs of Palestine.

    If you allow a distinct race to gain supremacy over yours (either demographically or militarily or both), then your people simply aren't going to fare well. Think the Serbs of Kosovo, who allowed Albanian Muslim immigration until the prolific Muslims were a majority. Soon the Serbs were being slaughtered on their farms and driven out of their ancient lands. In many parts of Miami you'd be hard pressed to find a non-Hispanic white person. They've been ethnically cleansed by a massive influx of Latinos, and have been pushed out.

    there is something referred to in a poem by Rudyard Kipling called the Gods of the Copybook Headings

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm

    that I suspect applies when it come to immigration of a foreign people into your lands and people's preference for ignoring the inevitable by pretending reality doesn't really exist. I'm also reminded of something Ayn Rand said..

    “We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”
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  140. Old fogey says:
    @JohnDough
    Thanks for the thoughtful article and as always thanks for the great web site Mr. Unz!

    I live in Los Angeles and from what I've seen the concept of allowing illegal immigration and even allowing a sanctuary city is a mess. I agree with other posters that illegal means well, illegal. The downward pressure on wages and job competition is awful. Add to that a distinct and separate cash and tax free economy and that's real trouble for the legal, honest, and decent citizens. With cash there are no labor laws, no minimum wage, no scrutiny by the EDD, no need to provide Obamacare, or other social services and tremendous profits!

    Cash businesses also have an advantage because they don't have to pay sales tax at 9% or other wage taxes at 17%, those alone are a tremendous savings in competitive bidding! This has put destructive pressure on legal business and makes them not able to compete in bids financially. On paper many individuals and families have very low or no income which then opens up social services for them which they are not paying any taxes for. This is housing, roads, schools, food, healthcare, etc. And here we're talking about billions of tax free money for decades in illicit profits and illicit use of social services!

    The other thing I look at with immigration is how things are going in the EU. We see the same there. In what is actually and in fact the indigenous home of whites, elites have opened the flood gates of third world illegal immigration under the guise of refugees which of course some are but most are economic migrants created by western wars in their regions of Africa and the Middle East. The EU isn't even sure where many come from. Europe is being flooded with so many social upheaval is assured.

    When people try to defend their culture and communities they are denounced as right wing and the ever abused word "racists." Unfortunately this points to ruling global elites that seek to destroy and undermine European people's power in both the US and EU. It is a Balkanization, a divide and conquer move for cheap profits and social engineering to remove any obstacles that would have the cohesive strength to unseat them from positions of power.

    The problem isn't the immigration laws of the US. The problem is that they haven't been enforced and why is that so! Time for the 1% to be read the riot act.

    The problem of newcomers coming to this country illegally and not paying attention to the local laws and customs, and not paying the proper amount in taxes is felt all over the country. I live in Westchester County, some 25 miles north of New York City. Between the 2000 and 2010 census the number of Hispanics in my zip code increased by 20 percent. On my street there are single-family houses that have four families living in them, and we now have to pick-up garbage thrown out of passing cars – something that was unheard of when we moved here 30 years ago. A Guatemalan neighbor was explaining to me in all seriousness how awful it was that illegal people without proper social security numbers had to pay social security tax using fictitious numbers, since those payments would not be considered toward their social security benefits when they retired (assuming that by that point they would be given citizenship). He complained that all the illegals here received no benefits at all for the taxes they paid. I reminded him that his two sons were educated through high school in the United States at no cost to him, and that many of his American-born neighbors – some with no children or whose children were fully grown – were paying $20,000/year in school taxes.

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    >$20,000/year in school taxes.

    This isn't a 1040 income tax. This is property tax that you pay whether you're a renter or homeowner - regardless of your passport color.
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  141. CalDre says:
    @Boris
    If labor costs go up, then prices go up. Other things can cause prices to rise, though.

    If labor costs go up, then prices go up.

    Not necessarily, the profits of the predator class may simply decline.

    Moreover, for the working class (i.e., 90% of society), increased prices would be compensated by their increased income.

    During the industrial revolution, there were no minimum wages or working hour limitations, with the result that workers worked 16 hours per day for barely enough money to survive in decrepit conditions. Sure, everything was “cheap”, but even at that price, workers couldn’t afford any of it. Henry Ford famously paid his employees a higher wage so they could afford to buy his product.

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  142. CalDre says:
    @Old fogey
    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action. The Europeans had some immunity to diseases that the Indians had never experienced before the arrival of the newcomers.

    Yeah, I’m sure if the illegally immigrating Mexicans brought diseases with them that killed off 90% of Euro-Amiercans you’d be all good with it, because, you know, diseases.

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  143. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Maj. Kong
    This is not a bargain.

    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples. That has been the supposed reason behind the last century of endless foreign wars.

    The base of white conservatism has been forced into the subsidisation of their own dispossession, and given cultural humiliation on top of it.

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.

    Ron, you would be better off petitioning for an independent California Republic. Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don't like the diversity regime.

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.

    Agreed, Cultural Marxism is the key, although I’d point out that Cultural Marxism is as much corporate-sponsored as state-sponsored. There was a time when the purpose of Cultural Marxism was to prepare the way for the Glorious Socialist Revolution. Nowadays the purpose of Cultural Marxism is to promote the interests of global capitalism.

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    Ironically the war against communist also played a significant role in the shift to a open borders/free trade policy in the West. In the mid-60s American elites generously opened up Americas borders and markets to the developing world to help spread capitalist ideology and undermine economic Marxism. Other Anglo countries soon followed their lead. For example, Australia changed its whites' only immigration policy because it wanted to forge better relations with it's anti-communist allies in South East Asia.

    Hence, misguided foreign policy (which greatly exaggerated the danger posed by economic communism) has worked in tandem with left-liberal activism.

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    @Chet Roman
    Is it a coincidence that globalization and the flood of unskilled illegal immigrants have emerged simultaneously and only served to weaken and fragment the working and middle class while strengthening the deep state's control of power?

    Is it a coincidence that globalization and the flood of unskilled illegal immigrants have emerged simultaneously and only served to weaken and fragment the working and middle class while strengthening the deep state’s control of power?

    No coincidence at all.

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  145. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.
     
    perhaps

    I realize they were savages and, at times unspeakably cruel, oftentimes to their own women

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    their reverence for wolves and eagles and other magnificent wonders of nature (or God's creation of whatever you want to call it) are something the white man woefully lacks in his greed-based soul.

    perhaps most of all, with all the shrill and badgering and incessant whining and kvetching and crybaby whining of certain other minorities, about slavery, Holocaust, slavery, Holocaust, slavery!!!, Holocaust !!! .... ad infinitum, until you're so sick to death of their red-faced scolding demands for more and more and eternally more... demands upon you, and for nothing that anyone alive had anything whatsoever to do with.... !!!!

    any minority that doesn't relentlessly remind you of a rotten spoiled brat who is NEVER satisfied, begins to look like a saint by comparison.

    plus, I just seem to like those people when I meet them

    they have a kind of 'anima' or spirituality that I seem to resonate with

    a sort of congenital contempt for so-called corporal "authority"

    perhaps I was one in a past life, don't know..

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with

    They completely wiped out most of the megafauna. So much for their deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things.

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  146. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries.
     
    When it comes to spending $20B dollars for a symbol, count me out.

    Oh the wall will very directly and in practical terms save hundreds or thousands of American lives and billions of dollars (net) in welfare handouts, education and medical care. I said that the most important factor was symbolic, or psychological, and global in scope. In case you haven’t noticed we are massively engaged in a cultural and psychological struggle that we cannot afford to lose.

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  147. An alliance of pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans could finally fix our broken system

    Oh, really? I’m supposed to believe that more centralized top down dictates will improve things?

    Here’s another (better) view, from Butler Shaffer.:

    “Does a vertically-structured, centrally-directed, pyramidal model reflect the way nature is organized, such that the conscious incorporation of that principle into the design of human social systems will produce the desired orderly patterns observed in the rest of the universe?

    And if… this long-standing social paradigm is causally connected with the rampantly destructive, anti-life nature of the institutional order, is there an alternative archetype that would better serve humanity? Is there an underlying dynamic here that might provide the basis for a major paradigm shift away from the failed and destructive traditional social model premised on the idea of the order being imposed from above?

    The failures of collective, vertically-structured, institutional systems to provide their promised social order are abundant.”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/10/butler-shaffer/fundamentally-anti-human/

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  148. Rurik says:
    @Old fogey
    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action. The Europeans had some immunity to diseases that the Indians had never experienced before the arrival of the newcomers.

    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action.

    hoping that this is all on topic, and considering that this thread deals with immigration, (and the consequences and challenges of such).. I suppose the Amerindians and their experiences with mass-immigrations of a different race of people into their lands- presents a sort of case and point for us today.

    The indigenous people of the N. American continent did not fare well when the white man arrived in significant numbers. Sometimes they were friendly and were traded with, sometimes they were hostile and wiped out the white newcomers. But when the white man achieved sufficient numbers, and the Indians found it untenable to assimilate, the white man proceeded to drive these people from their lands. They often used guile and treachery and deceit to do so. And when the ‘Indians’ grew wise to the white man’s ‘forked tongue’, and resisted his demands to move further and always further West, then the white man simply massacred them in their villages. Or he forced them on death marches into the scrub and eventually even wiped out his food supply; the buffalo.

    It was a genocide, and that’s what happens when a people are unable or unwilling to prevent a competing race (or races) of people to supplant them in their lands. (are you listening white man?)

    This is what was done to the aborigines of Australia and it’s what is being done to the whites of Zimbabwe today and the Arabs of Palestine.

    If you allow a distinct race to gain supremacy over yours (either demographically or militarily or both), then your people simply aren’t going to fare well. Think the Serbs of Kosovo, who allowed Albanian Muslim immigration until the prolific Muslims were a majority. Soon the Serbs were being slaughtered on their farms and driven out of their ancient lands. In many parts of Miami you’d be hard pressed to find a non-Hispanic white person. They’ve been ethnically cleansed by a massive influx of Latinos, and have been pushed out.

    there is something referred to in a poem by Rudyard Kipling called the Gods of the Copybook Headings

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm

    that I suspect applies when it come to immigration of a foreign people into your lands and people’s preference for ignoring the inevitable by pretending reality doesn’t really exist. I’m also reminded of something Ayn Rand said..

    “We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

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  149. nsa says:

    Anyone care to guess the age of consent in Mexico? 12! So there you go…..a crime ridden narco state with a rape culture (rarely even investigated) and legalized pedophilia. The lefties love this kind of sicko diversity degeneracy and would love to move it up here.

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    'nsa'

    Anyone care to guess the age of consent in Mexico? 12! ...a crime ridden narco state with a rape culture

     

    Spain, Mexico's former colonial ruler, had, until 1999, an age of consent of 12. This was raised to 13 until new legislation in 2015 raised it again to 16.

    In Germany it is 14.

    So, do u think that Spain, until 2015, had a rape culture? After all, you are basing your foolish comment on Mexico's age of consent, no?

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  150. @Old fogey
    The problem of newcomers coming to this country illegally and not paying attention to the local laws and customs, and not paying the proper amount in taxes is felt all over the country. I live in Westchester County, some 25 miles north of New York City. Between the 2000 and 2010 census the number of Hispanics in my zip code increased by 20 percent. On my street there are single-family houses that have four families living in them, and we now have to pick-up garbage thrown out of passing cars - something that was unheard of when we moved here 30 years ago. A Guatemalan neighbor was explaining to me in all seriousness how awful it was that illegal people without proper social security numbers had to pay social security tax using fictitious numbers, since those payments would not be considered toward their social security benefits when they retired (assuming that by that point they would be given citizenship). He complained that all the illegals here received no benefits at all for the taxes they paid. I reminded him that his two sons were educated through high school in the United States at no cost to him, and that many of his American-born neighbors - some with no children or whose children were fully grown - were paying $20,000/year in school taxes.

    >$20,000/year in school taxes.

    This isn’t a 1040 income tax. This is property tax that you pay whether you’re a renter or homeowner – regardless of your passport color.

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    ...property tax that you pay whether you’re a renter or homeowner
     
    But if you are getting a benefit far in excess of what you've paid in, it is fair to say "no cost to you."
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  151. Ingot9455 says:

    You can’t have a compromise with people who don’t compromise.

    It’s always been ‘amnesty for enforcement’ – we get the amnesty but we never get the enforcement.

    So that’s done. No deals, grand or otherwise, no compromises, grand or otherwise, until all promises of the past are made good.

    When the 60 million illegals are down to less than 5 million, we can talk about grand compromises.

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    No problem with the point you made, but the '60 million illegals', well, that is BS right?

    I've found no valid data for even half that number.
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  152. L.K says:
    @nsa
    Anyone care to guess the age of consent in Mexico? 12! So there you go.....a crime ridden narco state with a rape culture (rarely even investigated) and legalized pedophilia. The lefties love this kind of sicko diversity degeneracy and would love to move it up here.

    ‘nsa’

    Anyone care to guess the age of consent in Mexico? 12! …a crime ridden narco state with a rape culture

    Spain, Mexico’s former colonial ruler, had, until 1999, an age of consent of 12. This was raised to 13 until new legislation in 2015 raised it again to 16.

    In Germany it is 14.

    So, do u think that Spain, until 2015, had a rape culture? After all, you are basing your foolish comment on Mexico’s age of consent, no?

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  153. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @edNels
    Your English immersion for school kids is right. No matter what the future demographic may be, today, English is yet the predominant language that is expected to be spoken for any prospective new hire, Hb1 visas included.

    The literate world understands English, though they may persist in speaking their native tongue, those myriad languages hang by a thread and in coming times only English will be able to bridge the gap and ultimately be a world speak. It's in the cards, that's the way it breaks, sorry French, German, Spanish, Chinese/various etc.

    And on the Swedes invading Mexico idear... Norway and Sweden together could make about 1.5 m pop. to Mexico's 125m, Mexico City alone could absorb all of Scandinavia, it might go ok if they can figure out how to make a good herring taco.

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/improving-comment-threads/

    [Using two different handles to pretend you're two different individuals, with entirely different views and commenting style, is absolutely prohibited here. The jig is up and all your comments will soon get merged under a single handle, making you look ridiculous and totally dishonest.]

    wrong. Sverige o Norge are more like 15 million..That was a typo…However I wonder how that would work, if Scandihoovians couls break loose from their midnight son… and go to a sunny clime.. other than Canary… where I did go… I was there, I swam with the sharks.. Idrove a renta car all around that Gran Canariy… I saw the dry side, and the wet side…really interesting that how the clouds come in on (little cats feet… over the harber etc…)

    Hey you guys need to develop some sense of humor… That is what is sorly laking here Ron!

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  154. L.K says:
    @Ingot9455
    You can't have a compromise with people who don't compromise.

    It's always been 'amnesty for enforcement' - we get the amnesty but we never get the enforcement.

    So that's done. No deals, grand or otherwise, no compromises, grand or otherwise, until all promises of the past are made good.

    When the 60 million illegals are down to less than 5 million, we can talk about grand compromises.

    No problem with the point you made, but the ’60 million illegals’, well, that is BS right?

    I’ve found no valid data for even half that number.

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  155. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *legal* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance..
     
    as usual provocative and insightful article Mr. Unz.

    for what it's worth, I just feel you're perhaps a little naïve when it comes to the sense of racial solidarity vis-à-vis Hispanics in general vs. other races. Blacks and Hispanics (and I don't have to tell you- Jews) often have a very powerful sense of ethnic solidarity. Especially when it comes to an "other" in their midst. Hispanics will divide themselves among Cuban vs. Mexican vs. Puerto Rican and so on, unless they perceive that they're threated by blacks or whites, in which case they'll circle the wagons and protect 'Latino' interests.

    But if immigrants themselves have such strong economic reasons to oppose continuing heavy immigration, why in modern America have they almost invariably become leading political opponents of the anti-immigration groups advocating exactly those same policies?
     
    for the reason I just stated above. Unlike whites, most racial groups are loyal to their racial group as an instinctive, kneejerk imperative. Fill a room with a mix of Hispanics from Brazil and Honduras and Panama and El Salvador and a few others, and watch them bicker, but then add an equal mix of white men from Russia and Canada and England and assorted countries, and they'd coalesce immediately into 'La Raza'. Just like blacks would do. It's instinctive and predictable.


    So the politically-fearful white racial-activists who largely dominate the anti-immigration movement naturally believe that Hispanic immigrants are similarly motivated, and that the goal of their leaders is to swamp the country with more of their own background, thereby allowing them to seize political power along ethnic lines. However, there seems little evidence for this...
     
    I almost feel you're being disingenuous here. The whole La Raza and Reconquista movements all exist in direct repudiation of that last sentence you wrote there. Just as the blacks of Zimbabwe were and still seem willing to starve or at least suffer much worse hardships than they ever endured under white rule, people will go to great lengths to impose their ethnic and tribal domination over the lands they're occupying, even up to and including all out war. This has been the history of man since time began. You can tell the Comanche that he enjoys much better living conditions under the largess and benevolence of the white man, than the short, diseased life of hunger and hardship on the plains, but I suspect he'd still prefer to kill every last white man on the continent- to have his lands back, than to subjugation by another race, however gilded the cage.

    This is the whole reason there are burgeoning independence movements all over the place. Catalonia, the Kurds, the Basques, the Ukrainians, even the Libyan and Syrian Islamics who prefer daily horrors to the rule by a man not of their tribe or custom.

    People want and demand self-determination. It is a human imperative, and at its most fundamental, it's tribal/racial.

    Hey Rurik,

    Latin America is far from the monolithic creature you Americans seem to think it is, Demographics included.
    Your example lumping together Brazil with Central American ‘Hispanics’ is quite telling of this ignorance.
    Brazil is not even generally considered ‘hispanic’, given that it was not a Spanish colony but a Portuguese one.
    The different language and culture means the country is actually pretty insulated from its spanish speaking neighbors.
    Furthermore, whereas the Central American countries you mentioned are not very racially/ethnically diverse, featuring largely Mestizo populations, Brazil does have a huge white population – mostly of Southern European extraction, but also Germans & Eastern Euros – as well as West Asians – from Lebanon/Syria – and East Asians(mostly Japanese, largest Jap diaspora in the World).

    The Portuguese make up the majority of whites in Brazil, but the country is home to the 2nd largest German diaspora(after Zusa) in the world, with some 7/8 million people, as well as the largest Italian one, 2nd largest Polish diaspora, 4th largest Ukranian & many smaller groups. With the exception of the Portuguese descendants, who can be found troughout the country, most other groups are heavily concentrated in parts of the Southeastern & Southern regions.
    German-brazilians in the south-eastern state of Espirito Santo.

    The Oktoberfest in Blumenau(South of Brazil), the largest in Brazil and one of the largest in the world, attracting as many as 1 million people from all over the country.

    Grape Party in Caxias do Sul, a city inhabited largely by people of Northern Italian descent.

    Anyways, ‘Hispanic’, or ‘Latino’ for that matter, are not valid racial or ethnic classifications, IMO.
    Obviously that in the US, given their main countries of origin and social class, they tend to be Mestizos.
    ‘Hispanic’ countries also may be quite different from one another.
    Argentina and Uruguay have white majorities, and very heavily european influenced cultures. I know both countries.
    On the other hand, other South American countries, such as Peru and Bolívia, are largely amerindian and mestizo, with only small or relatively small white minorities.

    As far as ‘Hispanics’ in America go, Mexicans far outnumber any other group, accounting for some 64% of said population. The 5 following national groups, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Salvadorans, Dominicans & Guatemalans, all put together, add up to only 20%.
    Interesting to note that some nationalities have done better than others;
    Puerto Ricans seem to have done poorly while Cubans have done quite well. Cubans do better than all other ‘hispanics’ and, for those who are US born, a little better even than non-hispanic whites, it seems.
    For ex:

    “In contrast, U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a higher median income than even non-Hispanic whites, $50,000 as compared to $48,000 for non-Hispanic whites.[31]
    “39% of U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a college degree or higher, as compared to only 30% of non-Hispanic whites.[31]”

    I don’t know for sure, but possibly the Cuban immigrants have come from somewhat better backgrounds? Also, many Cubans r white, though most americans don’t seem to understand that.

    Take care

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    Hey L.K.,

    thanks for the excellent videos. I enjoyed them and didn't realize the extent of German culture down there.

    Latin America is far from the monolithic creature you Americans seem to think it is, Demographics included.
    Your example lumping together Brazil with Central American ‘Hispanics’ is quite telling of this ignorance.
     
    I'm actually far more aware of these nuances that you'd think LK. Certainly far more aware than most Americans, and probably most citizens of Latin America as well. I'm somewhat well traveled, and have been to several South and Central American countries as well as the Caribbean, (D.R.) and even Cuba, where I spent a week touring the joint and absorbing the élan. (Or Elian - as was the case when I was down there. His picture was everywhere. Part of the "Patria' by then. He is known in the Miami Cuban community as 'el hijo del mar', or 'the boy (or the son) from the sea'. He's even sort of a religious figure, as his uncle's name was Lazarus. Very powerful stuff for the Cubans, who've reverted back to Catholicism with a vengeance in some parts. When I was in Cuba there were more billboards of Elian than of Castro or Che put together.
    And I know well certain areas where this kind of diversity is rampant, like S. Florida for instance, where I've stayed and even lived.

    Brazil is not even generally considered ‘hispanic’, given that it was not a Spanish colony but a Portuguese one.
    The different language and culture means the country is actually pretty insulated from its spanish speaking neighbors.
     
    well that is basically what I said. That when these groups are left to their own devices, they're distinct. And even competitive. Kind of like the different branches of the military. The Marines and Army special forces look down on the Navy and Air force as fags. And the Air force looks down on the Marines as goons. But give them a common enemy and they coalesce as one.

    One thing I noticed when traveling in Latin America is the refreshing lack of racism. For a Cuban or a Dominican, they were all Cubans or Dominicans first, and only black or white or brown in a secondary, rather insignificant way. There seemed to be almost zero hostility, and being an American, I found that amazingly refreshing.

    You see here in America we have all been carefully marinated in a 24/7 hate fest of Hollywood, msm, instituted deliberate racial hostility. We're scolded relentlessly how evil the white man is for enslaving the black man. We're reminded of the terrible price the Indians paid and how all white people are all personally guilty for every single bit of it. You can be like myself and just laugh at it all, and see the man behind the curtain frantically pulling all the levers and turning all the dials to maximize racial tension, but that doesn't change the fact that for most people, they're firmly in the firmament of our cultural, synthetic matrix 'reality'. And so they have that chip carefully placed on their shoulders and go around filled with racial animus. It's a terrible shame, but it's all cynically foisted upon us for the greater good of our elites, who find it amusing and advantageous to have us all at each other's throats.

    People move here from Brazil and Puerto Rico and Honduras and may get here with a fondness for white people in general. But it doesn't take long at all to see the advantages of ganging up on him and demanding that he genuflect to all people of color! It doesn't matter where they come from, Viet Nam or Haiti or Cuba- (where many brought all their [often ill gotten looted] wealth from Cuba), as soon as they reach these shores, they're considered first class citizens and are given Affirmative Action preferences over white people who might be poorer than poor. No matter, their ancestors are guilty of slavery and racism and the Holocaust and the Indians, and so they're guilty and privileged and racist and all people of color are their victims.

    Now the reason I mention all of that is because if you're a Brazilian, or a Cuban or Mexican or an El Salvadorian, and you get to the shores of America, now you might have figured you had nothing whatsoever in common with a Puerto Rican at all. Until you realized that as part of La Raza, your "Latino" heritage entitled you to all sorts of bennies. And a solidarity against the white man who seems to be so bent over by guilt, that you can almost demand whatever you want from him, if you just invoke his "racism". It is the way they've set up the rules, (or lack of) that creates this delineation between who is a Hispanic and who isn't.

    The lines are never sharp, and there's a lot of blonde haired people and black people who consider themselves Latinos, but this is the general milieu that prevails in the US and Canada, and I suppose much of the Western world today. Where we're all guilty of the Holocaust and of Slavery and all sorts of racism. And we must be made to pay.

    One day my intention is to move from these hate-filled shores to a place not under the thrall of the 'hate people'. Who seem to thrive on that single human failing, and promote it with every breath they take. I've heard it said that if they didn't have the Pals in Gaza and the West Bank, that they'd have to import them. Such is their terrible affliction and addiction to hate.

    One Brazilian gal I'll never forget, (Sylvia) would, when I'd ask her how is Brazil different from America? She'd say with this beautiful smile, 'well, in America you all want the money, but in Brazil - we just love!'
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  156. Nico says:

    Not surprisingly, Ron Unz once again spills far too much ink to trot out what should be a clear but wrongheaded idea: that the solution to the U.S.’s immigration nightmare lies in a re-enactment of the 1986 idiocy. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

    More generally, the problem with “nice guys” like Unz – and let the record state that I *do* appreciate Unz, however much I disagree with and am exasperated by some of his writing – is in their search for a middle ground of civic civility in a country which is not only ideologically but also ethically polarized. The left is more bald-faced and shameless than ever and is not frequentable, and anyone decent is doomed to extinction unless he is willing to get in the mud and fight. Unz and his ilk cannot do much good for the simple reason that they won’t accept that they cannot speak truth and make the left like them. It doesn’t work that way.

    As far as racial polarization goes, it’s too late to avoid a dangerous situation because it’s already here. Assimilation of the sort that took place in Latin America and Réunion is a non starter in the present conditions: there is no civic force like the Catholic Church of old or the haciendas and in any case the left will not tolerate any grounded civic pride which imposes one culture as “superior” to another. They do however have hatred of straight white cis Christians aka KKKrazy glue holding together their coalition of the fringes.

    As for this:

    But suppose so many millions of Swedes poured across the borders into our southern neighbor that within just a few decades Mexico City had become majority Swedish, while much of the rest of that country were following a somewhat similar trajectory. Under such circumstances, severe political problems would surely arise, perhaps even endangering social stability.

    Realistically, the only potential social danger is that the Swedes become successful enough to attract the jealousy and become targets of poorer Mexicans who are rallied by a Marxist demagogue. Until that happens they are likely to be quite a salutary economic and societal force, and though they would cut out some noticeably Swedish “turf” they would speak fluent Spanish when venturing to the general areas, much like Anglo-Argentines.

    Remember that after their countries gained independence from Spain and Portugal the policy of the criollos was to whiten their populations by attracting European immigrants. They weren’t especially successful in this venture outside the Southern Cone – and even where they did succeed they tended to attract more Spaniards and Italians than the Britons, Germans and Nordics they had hoped for* – but where they were successful their economies and societies definitely rose a good cut above the colonial era.

    * I am not, for my part, a “Nordicist” but it is nevertheless true that 19th- and early 20th-century elite Western thought placed higher value on Northern than on Southern European stock, and this was true even of upper-brow Southern Europeans. Even nowadays the “Swedish system” remains the darling of the mainstream intelligentsia, though they have convinced themselves it has nothing to do with race.

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  157. Nico says:
    @Rehmat
    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work - they're still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    On August 25, Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report said: “Bernie Sanders and his supporters claim he is different, a breath of fresh air. Yet he “won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs” from Hillary Clinton and Republicans. “He doesn’t question why the US has the right to dictate policy to other nations, and “repeat the same discredited mantra” as Obama on the nuclear threat from Iran – a threat that even CIA has declared never existed. Socialism? He won’t even say the word.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    Thanks for the morning laugh.

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  158. Rurik says:
    @L.K
    Hey Rurik,

    Latin America is far from the monolithic creature you Americans seem to think it is, Demographics included.
    Your example lumping together Brazil with Central American ‘Hispanics’ is quite telling of this ignorance.
    Brazil is not even generally considered ‘hispanic’, given that it was not a Spanish colony but a Portuguese one.
    The different language and culture means the country is actually pretty insulated from its spanish speaking neighbors.
    Furthermore, whereas the Central American countries you mentioned are not very racially/ethnically diverse, featuring largely Mestizo populations, Brazil does have a huge white population - mostly of Southern European extraction, but also Germans & Eastern Euros – as well as West Asians – from Lebanon/Syria – and East Asians(mostly Japanese, largest Jap diaspora in the World).

    The Portuguese make up the majority of whites in Brazil, but the country is home to the 2nd largest German diaspora(after Zusa) in the world, with some 7/8 million people, as well as the largest Italian one, 2nd largest Polish diaspora, 4th largest Ukranian & many smaller groups. With the exception of the Portuguese descendants, who can be found troughout the country, most other groups are heavily concentrated in parts of the Southeastern & Southern regions.
    German-brazilians in the south-eastern state of Espirito Santo.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLeDfu82Do

    The Oktoberfest in Blumenau(South of Brazil), the largest in Brazil and one of the largest in the world, attracting as many as 1 million people from all over the country.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7dG3rNPmpg

    Grape Party in Caxias do Sul, a city inhabited largely by people of Northern Italian descent.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQKF0piLcs

    Anyways, ‘Hispanic’, or ‘Latino’ for that matter, are not valid racial or ethnic classifications, IMO.
    Obviously that in the US, given their main countries of origin and social class, they tend to be Mestizos.
    ‘Hispanic’ countries also may be quite different from one another.
    Argentina and Uruguay have white majorities, and very heavily european influenced cultures. I know both countries.
    On the other hand, other South American countries, such as Peru and Bolívia, are largely amerindian and mestizo, with only small or relatively small white minorities.

    As far as ‘Hispanics’ in America go, Mexicans far outnumber any other group, accounting for some 64% of said population. The 5 following national groups, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Salvadorans, Dominicans & Guatemalans, all put together, add up to only 20%.
    Interesting to note that some nationalities have done better than others;
    Puerto Ricans seem to have done poorly while Cubans have done quite well. Cubans do better than all other ‘hispanics’ and, for those who are US born, a little better even than non-hispanic whites, it seems.
    For ex:

    “In contrast, U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a higher median income than even non-Hispanic whites, $50,000 as compared to $48,000 for non-Hispanic whites.[31]
    “39% of U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a college degree or higher, as compared to only 30% of non-Hispanic whites.[31]”

     

    I don’t know for sure, but possibly the Cuban immigrants have come from somewhat better backgrounds? Also, many Cubans r white, though most americans don’t seem to understand that.

    Take care

    Hey L.K.,

    thanks for the excellent videos. I enjoyed them and didn’t realize the extent of German culture down there.

    Latin America is far from the monolithic creature you Americans seem to think it is, Demographics included.
    Your example lumping together Brazil with Central American ‘Hispanics’ is quite telling of this ignorance.

    I’m actually far more aware of these nuances that you’d think LK. Certainly far more aware than most Americans, and probably most citizens of Latin America as well. I’m somewhat well traveled, and have been to several South and Central American countries as well as the Caribbean, (D.R.) and even Cuba, where I spent a week touring the joint and absorbing the élan. (Or Elian – as was the case when I was down there. His picture was everywhere. Part of the “Patria’ by then. He is known in the Miami Cuban community as ‘el hijo del mar’, or ‘the boy (or the son) from the sea’. He’s even sort of a religious figure, as his uncle’s name was Lazarus. Very powerful stuff for the Cubans, who’ve reverted back to Catholicism with a vengeance in some parts. When I was in Cuba there were more billboards of Elian than of Castro or Che put together.
    And I know well certain areas where this kind of diversity is rampant, like S. Florida for instance, where I’ve stayed and even lived.

    Brazil is not even generally considered ‘hispanic’, given that it was not a Spanish colony but a Portuguese one.
    The different language and culture means the country is actually pretty insulated from its spanish speaking neighbors.

    well that is basically what I said. That when these groups are left to their own devices, they’re distinct. And even competitive. Kind of like the different branches of the military. The Marines and Army special forces look down on the Navy and Air force as fags. And the Air force looks down on the Marines as goons. But give them a common enemy and they coalesce as one.

    One thing I noticed when traveling in Latin America is the refreshing lack of racism. For a Cuban or a Dominican, they were all Cubans or Dominicans first, and only black or white or brown in a secondary, rather insignificant way. There seemed to be almost zero hostility, and being an American, I found that amazingly refreshing.

    You see here in America we have all been carefully marinated in a 24/7 hate fest of Hollywood, msm, instituted deliberate racial hostility. We’re scolded relentlessly how evil the white man is for enslaving the black man. We’re reminded of the terrible price the Indians paid and how all white people are all personally guilty for every single bit of it. You can be like myself and just laugh at it all, and see the man behind the curtain frantically pulling all the levers and turning all the dials to maximize racial tension, but that doesn’t change the fact that for most people, they’re firmly in the firmament of our cultural, synthetic matrix ‘reality’. And so they have that chip carefully placed on their shoulders and go around filled with racial animus. It’s a terrible shame, but it’s all cynically foisted upon us for the greater good of our elites, who find it amusing and advantageous to have us all at each other’s throats.

    People move here from Brazil and Puerto Rico and Honduras and may get here with a fondness for white people in general. But it doesn’t take long at all to see the advantages of ganging up on him and demanding that he genuflect to all people of color! It doesn’t matter where they come from, Viet Nam or Haiti or Cuba- (where many brought all their [often ill gotten looted] wealth from Cuba), as soon as they reach these shores, they’re considered first class citizens and are given Affirmative Action preferences over white people who might be poorer than poor. No matter, their ancestors are guilty of slavery and racism and the Holocaust and the Indians, and so they’re guilty and privileged and racist and all people of color are their victims.

    Now the reason I mention all of that is because if you’re a Brazilian, or a Cuban or Mexican or an El Salvadorian, and you get to the shores of America, now you might have figured you had nothing whatsoever in common with a Puerto Rican at all. Until you realized that as part of La Raza, your “Latino” heritage entitled you to all sorts of bennies. And a solidarity against the white man who seems to be so bent over by guilt, that you can almost demand whatever you want from him, if you just invoke his “racism”. It is the way they’ve set up the rules, (or lack of) that creates this delineation between who is a Hispanic and who isn’t.

    The lines are never sharp, and there’s a lot of blonde haired people and black people who consider themselves Latinos, but this is the general milieu that prevails in the US and Canada, and I suppose much of the Western world today. Where we’re all guilty of the Holocaust and of Slavery and all sorts of racism. And we must be made to pay.

    One day my intention is to move from these hate-filled shores to a place not under the thrall of the ‘hate people’. Who seem to thrive on that single human failing, and promote it with every breath they take. I’ve heard it said that if they didn’t have the Pals in Gaza and the West Bank, that they’d have to import them. Such is their terrible affliction and addiction to hate.

    One Brazilian gal I’ll never forget, (Sylvia) would, when I’d ask her how is Brazil different from America? She’d say with this beautiful smile, ‘well, in America you all want the money, but in Brazil – we just love!’

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  159. bomag says:
    @Chiquita LeStrange
    >$20,000/year in school taxes.

    This isn't a 1040 income tax. This is property tax that you pay whether you're a renter or homeowner - regardless of your passport color.

    …property tax that you pay whether you’re a renter or homeowner

    But if you are getting a benefit far in excess of what you’ve paid in, it is fair to say “no cost to you.”

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  160. @TangoMan
    Frankly I don't see the incentive for anti-immigration advocates to compromise. Existing laws allow for mass deportation. The problem here is logistical and media-sensitive.

    The issue, to paraphrase Bill Clinton "It's the Demographics, Stupid." Any legalization simply strengthens the hands of Democrats and their minority coalition and weakens White cultural America. This is the issue that needs to be solved before any compromise can be effected.

    There is already an awakened sense of "reverse racism" against Whites, what with all of the Affirmative Action, job quotas, minority contracting set asides, anti-discrimination laws. These are all tools of oppression and dispossession which work to steal the legacy left for White Americans by their ancestors. Those ancestors worked to make America better for their children, not for people newly arrived from Honduras and Somalia and China.

    We've had 50 years of policies designed to dispossess Whites from the nation built for them by their ancestors, so if compromise is the goal, then there should be on offer similar programs, lasting 50 years, which are designed to undo the damage already inflicted and boost the White demographic back up to 85% of the total population. Anything less simply normalizes the demographic inertia (which keep in mind is not some passive event but is the result of choices made in the past) that is turning America into a minority-majority nation replete with government policies designed to disadvantage Whites in the society that their ancestors developed for THEM.

    The existing system of racial preferences are unjust and so a compromise which preserves injustice doesn't seem to be a wise path forward for it simply embeds the injustice ever deeper into a foundation which will never be overturned.

    Best response without even reading any further.

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  161. abner says:

    I had a comment that was lost in the crash, just putting something similar back up.

    I think this is naive, since Clinton will be elected and then put a leftist on the Supreme Court, who will then find amnesty in the constitution. Nonrich whites will be very lucky if the SC doesn’t remove caps on refugees or chain immigration by 2020 and make even a perfect fantasy version of Perot-Buchanan-Trump (that doesn’t exist) permanently unelectable. Trump is an 11th hour hail mary, and civic nationalism will be in either a rapid or slow permanent defeat afterwards.

    I don’t think there will be any truly serious unrest about it, either. The winners will not pay any price.

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  162. @eah
    What's "broken" about it? -- I realize today it's practically a cliche to say it's "broken", but I still don't know what that means -- because no one ever says.

    What’s “broken” about it? — I realize today it’s practically a cliche to say it’s “broken”, but I still don’t know what that means — because no one ever says.

    It’s not broken to the other side. Works fine for them!

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  163. Sean says:

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    There is a common tendency in politics to commit the error of ideological projection, thereby assuming, often implicitly, that the motivations of one’s opponents are the mirror-image of one’s own. So the politically-fearful white racial-activists …

    Apparently you think it is only common among whites to fear what others’ intention are, or might become in the future, and hence act so that others will not attain a position of power from which they may assail us with impunity. Such an absence of fear is the opposite of projection inasmuch it assumes the others are in some way different to us. Because fearlessness is uncommon, I suspect it has rarely proved a good way of looking at things for a nation, although maybe a businessman who thinks that way could be highly successful and assume his trusting methods of commercial human relations extend into the power politics of nations.

    The information about Chavez is fascinating, but he was another fearless man, and wonder if fearful perception being denied to him explains why his organisation and purely economic analysis declined as US Mexicans became numerous and became increasingly allegiant to a diaspora community with a Hispanic nationalistic ethos. In short, I think these non-national ways of looking at things (by businessmen or union activists) just don’t work when push comes to shove.

    For nearly twenty years, I have been arguing that a shrinking white majority, endlessly poked and prodded by diversitarian cultural provocations and fearful of falling into oppressed minority status, might erupt into a nationalistic movement

    How could a countrywide US movement, popular or otherwise, not be a nationalistic one. The US is a nation state. Liberal Globalism is US corporate nationalism in relation to the rest of the wold being concerned with the repatriation of profits and other such matters. To ensure that their interests (profits) have, as Adam Smith said, “been most peculiarly attended to”. Corporations control the political process and that is something that takes resources in all phases. Lind again:

    Turning a potential win into a real one means identifying your supporters, making sure they are registered and then getting them to the polls on election day. You cannot rely on them to do this on their own. Many will not “get around to it”. You have to have an organization that hand-holds them all the way to the voting booth.

    No one else can because only business has the resources. Trump has recognition and nothing much else. Lind notes Trump hasn’t any organisation to get his people out . Without staring to spending a lot of money, he’s going to lose and then they will go after him. He’ll end up on the street with a tin cup.

    …even if he ultimately falls short, recognition of the previously unsuspected power of the popular forces he has unleashed will have permanently altered the American political landscape.

    For sure, as William Lind says:- “If Trump loses, the Establishment will rig the system so the American people never again get a chance to vote for an anti-Establishment candidate.”.

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  164. Boris N says:

    The American racial terminology has always amused me. Because the real Caucasians, that is the native peoples of the Caucasus, are no any different from the so feared Arab or other Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants, both in Europe and America. Just a reminder: the Tsarnaev brothers were Caucasians in the very sense of that word. Yet, they have committed one of the most dreadful terror attacks after 9/11. While many naive Americans might wonder then, why the heck those men did such terrible things, no Russian would be surprised. Chechens or other Caucasians have again bombed somebody somewhere? Nothing unusual. What did you else expect from them? I think if pro-White American advocates know who the real Caucasians are and how they do behave themselves, those American would never use that terminology. Not to mention the term Causausian is all inclusive, so pro-White may well mean pro-Arab or pro-Hindu.

    On the other hand, Americans may reassure Europeans not to worry about the deluge of the Middle Eastern immigrants. Are Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Afghanis, Pakistanis, or who else live there, not Caucasian? Of course, they are! Those Middle Eastern people are as Caucasian as Germans, the French or the English. So what’s the problem? One Caucasians are migrating to live alongside with other Caucasians. By the way, Europeans must be very delighted instead, because with those immigrants Europe is becoming more White! That those are Muslims does not matter, because Europeans are not any more medieval religious fanatics, who hated Muslims, are they?

    The same goes for America. Are Caucasian Americans worried about the shrinking of their population in the USA? OK, there is a solution. There are about 1 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Afghanistan… no, that’s wrong, there are more than 2 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Bangladesh. Just give those racial brothers of yours more visas, or better, abolish the visas for them at all and do not let those Hispanics and Blacks overwhelm the great Caucasian race in the USA! Trump must have been gravely wrong about forbidding Muslims to enter the USA. Why does he hate his racial brothers? Is he an enemy of the great Caucasian race? Does he want more Hispanics and Blacks in the country?

    If a little bit more serious. Why do Americans hate such a simple and obvious term European? Is their historical grudge against everything European (read British) so overwhelming that they rather name themselves with an obscure geographical term and unite themselves with Afghanis then to call themselves European American (again in many cases it would mean British American). And why do Americans, if they are so eager to be the same with 2 billions Muslims and Hindus, exclude Spanish-speaking Caucasians? It is always difficult to understand Americans.

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    We don't exclude Spanish-speaking white people.

    Moreover, I don't know a single white person who refers to himself or other white people as "Caucasians." The only person I've ever known who calls whites "Caucasians" is a black American.

    Also, are you under the impression that most Spanish-speakers in the USA are white? You'd be wrong. There are many non-Mexican Hispanics in the usa, but the solid majority of both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants are Mexicans, and the great majority of them are nonwhite or mostly-nonwhite (mestizo or indio).

    , @RadicalCenter
    I call myself European-American. Same is true, I'd wager, for some others on this site.

    You may be attacking a straw man, buddy.
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  165. @Anonymous

    By 2015 there had been a 700% increase in the total number of Hispanics and Asians and the black population was nearly 100% larger, while the number of (non-Hispanic) whites had grown less than 25%
     
    Are Hispanics white people too?
    I don't know. When it's about crime statistics, they are.
    When it's about affirmative action, they aren't.
    I take it they are when it happens to be convenient, and the other way round.

    In some ways, the Latinos are more like Hillbilly whites in West Virginia behind in education and job skills but better than blacks. Its complex, lots of Trump followers would do the security but cut down on Mexicans making better money. Mexicans that make better money like worked for Ford are less likely to want to head to El Norte. An idea which is more Ron Unz is a minium wage for US companies doing manufacturing in Mexico at least 3 an hour. This will bring up non manufacturing service jobs in Mexico to around 1.50 an hour. It would be interesting if you could get Republicans and Democratic to support minium wages for different third world countries. The poorest would start out at .90 cent per hour and the more developed like Mexico and China would be at 3 an hour. This adjustment changes over a decade where Mexico and China is kick up to 4 an hour for US Companies while poorer countries would be bumped to 1.5 to 2 an hour. This is another way to stopped companies wanting to go overseas as much and boosting some of the wage sin the third world, less reason to come to the US.

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    Thoughtful proposal. But how can the USA force Mexico to raise its minimum wage?

    And if had the leverage to force them to raise the minimum wage, shouldn't we also (and first) use that leverage to force the Mex gov (and Mexicans in the USA, to the extent possible) to pay for a complete border wall?

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  166. @dfordoom

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.
     
    Agreed, Cultural Marxism is the key, although I'd point out that Cultural Marxism is as much corporate-sponsored as state-sponsored. There was a time when the purpose of Cultural Marxism was to prepare the way for the Glorious Socialist Revolution. Nowadays the purpose of Cultural Marxism is to promote the interests of global capitalism.

    Ironically the war against communist also played a significant role in the shift to a open borders/free trade policy in the West. In the mid-60s American elites generously opened up Americas borders and markets to the developing world to help spread capitalist ideology and undermine economic Marxism. Other Anglo countries soon followed their lead. For example, Australia changed its whites’ only immigration policy because it wanted to forge better relations with it’s anti-communist allies in South East Asia.

    Hence, misguided foreign policy (which greatly exaggerated the danger posed by economic communism) has worked in tandem with left-liberal activism.

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  167. @Boris N
    The American racial terminology has always amused me. Because the real Caucasians, that is the native peoples of the Caucasus, are no any different from the so feared Arab or other Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants, both in Europe and America. Just a reminder: the Tsarnaev brothers were Caucasians in the very sense of that word. Yet, they have committed one of the most dreadful terror attacks after 9/11. While many naive Americans might wonder then, why the heck those men did such terrible things, no Russian would be surprised. Chechens or other Caucasians have again bombed somebody somewhere? Nothing unusual. What did you else expect from them? I think if pro-White American advocates know who the real Caucasians are and how they do behave themselves, those American would never use that terminology. Not to mention the term Causausian is all inclusive, so pro-White may well mean pro-Arab or pro-Hindu.

    On the other hand, Americans may reassure Europeans not to worry about the deluge of the Middle Eastern immigrants. Are Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Afghanis, Pakistanis, or who else live there, not Caucasian? Of course, they are! Those Middle Eastern people are as Caucasian as Germans, the French or the English. So what's the problem? One Caucasians are migrating to live alongside with other Caucasians. By the way, Europeans must be very delighted instead, because with those immigrants Europe is becoming more White! That those are Muslims does not matter, because Europeans are not any more medieval religious fanatics, who hated Muslims, are they?

    The same goes for America. Are Caucasian Americans worried about the shrinking of their population in the USA? OK, there is a solution. There are about 1 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Afghanistan... no, that's wrong, there are more than 2 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Bangladesh. Just give those racial brothers of yours more visas, or better, abolish the visas for them at all and do not let those Hispanics and Blacks overwhelm the great Caucasian race in the USA! Trump must have been gravely wrong about forbidding Muslims to enter the USA. Why does he hate his racial brothers? Is he an enemy of the great Caucasian race? Does he want more Hispanics and Blacks in the country?

    If a little bit more serious. Why do Americans hate such a simple and obvious term European? Is their historical grudge against everything European (read British) so overwhelming that they rather name themselves with an obscure geographical term and unite themselves with Afghanis then to call themselves European American (again in many cases it would mean British American). And why do Americans, if they are so eager to be the same with 2 billions Muslims and Hindus, exclude Spanish-speaking Caucasians? It is always difficult to understand Americans.

    We don’t exclude Spanish-speaking white people.

    Moreover, I don’t know a single white person who refers to himself or other white people as “Caucasians.” The only person I’ve ever known who calls whites “Caucasians” is a black American.

    Also, are you under the impression that most Spanish-speakers in the USA are white? You’d be wrong. There are many non-Mexican Hispanics in the usa, but the solid majority of both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants are Mexicans, and the great majority of them are nonwhite or mostly-nonwhite (mestizo or indio).

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    We don’t exclude Spanish-speaking white people.
     
    Probably. But there are a lot of examples, when people speak of whites meaning only non-Hispanic whites or in other words English-speaking-only whites. For example, just a recent article here, where people complain about California becoming less white, while the real meaning is the state is not any more English-only and is becoming bilingual English-Spanish.

    Moreover, I don’t know a single white person who refers to himself or other white people as “Caucasians.” The only person I’ve ever known who calls whites “Caucasians” is a black American.
     
    The term Caucasian is so pervasive and established that people really think this obscure term is much more neutral than white. So it is very widespread if not default in formal and bureaucratic contexts at least. And many really call themselves Caucasian.
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/stop-using-the-word-caucasian-to-mean-white/

    Also, are you under the impression that most Spanish-speakers in the USA are white? You’d be wrong. There are many non-Mexican Hispanics in the usa, but the solid majority of both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants are Mexicans, and the great majority of them are nonwhite or mostly-nonwhite (mestizo or indio).
     
    No, I know that, I studied American censuses very closely. But even they say that 53% Hispanics are simply white and 36% are "others", that rather means people are confused about racial categories. Not many Hispanics chose "two races" and even less "Native American". And I do not think being mestizo disqualify people from being white. They are not much less white then many South European or Middle Eastern people. Amerindian blood does not change much.

    I call myself European-American. Same is true, I’d wager, for some others on this site.
     
    I suppose it's still much rarer.

    You may be attacking a straw man, buddy.
     
    I'm just trying to understand America thoroughly. Mostly I'm being frustrated and disappointed with the American reality. I thought America being much better.
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  168. @Boris N
    The American racial terminology has always amused me. Because the real Caucasians, that is the native peoples of the Caucasus, are no any different from the so feared Arab or other Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants, both in Europe and America. Just a reminder: the Tsarnaev brothers were Caucasians in the very sense of that word. Yet, they have committed one of the most dreadful terror attacks after 9/11. While many naive Americans might wonder then, why the heck those men did such terrible things, no Russian would be surprised. Chechens or other Caucasians have again bombed somebody somewhere? Nothing unusual. What did you else expect from them? I think if pro-White American advocates know who the real Caucasians are and how they do behave themselves, those American would never use that terminology. Not to mention the term Causausian is all inclusive, so pro-White may well mean pro-Arab or pro-Hindu.

    On the other hand, Americans may reassure Europeans not to worry about the deluge of the Middle Eastern immigrants. Are Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Afghanis, Pakistanis, or who else live there, not Caucasian? Of course, they are! Those Middle Eastern people are as Caucasian as Germans, the French or the English. So what's the problem? One Caucasians are migrating to live alongside with other Caucasians. By the way, Europeans must be very delighted instead, because with those immigrants Europe is becoming more White! That those are Muslims does not matter, because Europeans are not any more medieval religious fanatics, who hated Muslims, are they?

    The same goes for America. Are Caucasian Americans worried about the shrinking of their population in the USA? OK, there is a solution. There are about 1 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Afghanistan... no, that's wrong, there are more than 2 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Bangladesh. Just give those racial brothers of yours more visas, or better, abolish the visas for them at all and do not let those Hispanics and Blacks overwhelm the great Caucasian race in the USA! Trump must have been gravely wrong about forbidding Muslims to enter the USA. Why does he hate his racial brothers? Is he an enemy of the great Caucasian race? Does he want more Hispanics and Blacks in the country?

    If a little bit more serious. Why do Americans hate such a simple and obvious term European? Is their historical grudge against everything European (read British) so overwhelming that they rather name themselves with an obscure geographical term and unite themselves with Afghanis then to call themselves European American (again in many cases it would mean British American). And why do Americans, if they are so eager to be the same with 2 billions Muslims and Hindus, exclude Spanish-speaking Caucasians? It is always difficult to understand Americans.

    I call myself European-American. Same is true, I’d wager, for some others on this site.

    You may be attacking a straw man, buddy.

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  169. @cynthia curran
    In some ways, the Latinos are more like Hillbilly whites in West Virginia behind in education and job skills but better than blacks. Its complex, lots of Trump followers would do the security but cut down on Mexicans making better money. Mexicans that make better money like worked for Ford are less likely to want to head to El Norte. An idea which is more Ron Unz is a minium wage for US companies doing manufacturing in Mexico at least 3 an hour. This will bring up non manufacturing service jobs in Mexico to around 1.50 an hour. It would be interesting if you could get Republicans and Democratic to support minium wages for different third world countries. The poorest would start out at .90 cent per hour and the more developed like Mexico and China would be at 3 an hour. This adjustment changes over a decade where Mexico and China is kick up to 4 an hour for US Companies while poorer countries would be bumped to 1.5 to 2 an hour. This is another way to stopped companies wanting to go overseas as much and boosting some of the wage sin the third world, less reason to come to the US.

    Thoughtful proposal. But how can the USA force Mexico to raise its minimum wage?

    And if had the leverage to force them to raise the minimum wage, shouldn’t we also (and first) use that leverage to force the Mex gov (and Mexicans in the USA, to the extent possible) to pay for a complete border wall?

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  170. […] Pro-Immigrant Democrats and Anti-Immigration Republicans […]

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  171. rw95 says:
    @Ironfist666
    L.A. County has 1500 outstanding warrants for illegal aliens, 1200 are for murder and/or rape. White European men established and defined the USA, why are we allowing non Europeans even into the discussion? The founding fathers clearly intended this nation to be for white Europeans.

    I hope then that you’re not Irish, Italian, Greek or Slavic. This country was never meant for “all white people” or “all European people.” This country was created by Anglo-Germanic protestants FOR Anglo-Germanic protestants. Shall we send back all the other “lesser European groups” as well?

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  172. rw95 says:
    @LouSurfer
    Forget 11 million. Let's send back 75 million. It's that or get ready for a race war in the future. America is not a proposition nation, and if it was, it still wouldn't be because assimilation has been failing for a LONG time.

    I hope you understand that, if America is not a “proposition nation,” that many European groups will have to go back as well.
    As much as your kind would love to think otherwise, this was never a country “for all white people.” You’d best learn that now.

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  173. rw95 says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    >Irish

    Gangs of New York ring a bell?
     
    Of course. There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can't DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    You have managed to confirm, and reinforce, my opinion that you are an indoctrinated noogie.

    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I’d highly recommend Jayman’s articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.

    My hopes are not high, however.

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    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I’d highly recommend Jayman’s articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.
     
    Oh, fuck off, you arrogant dollop of dog-drool. You don't know what you're talking about.
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  174. @rw95
    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I'd highly recommend Jayman's articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.

    My hopes are not high, however.

    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I’d highly recommend Jayman’s articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.

    Oh, fuck off, you arrogant dollop of dog-drool. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

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    And thank you for proving me correct.
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  175. Helen says: • Website

    The interesting fact: all kind of articles are written with some expectation about how things will go in case someone wins elections. The problem is that we don’t know who will win them, so that big amount of articles have to be rewritten in 5 weeks :D

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  176. rw95 says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I’d highly recommend Jayman’s articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.
     
    Oh, fuck off, you arrogant dollop of dog-drool. You don't know what you're talking about.

    And thank you for proving me correct.

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    Sorry, pal, but you have not the faintest understanding of what you reference. Nary a wispy concept.

    You are Ignored. Bye now.
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  177. @rw95
    And thank you for proving me correct.

    Sorry, pal, but you have not the faintest understanding of what you reference. Nary a wispy concept.

    You are Ignored. Bye now.

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  178. Trump will have the power to break any Senate filibuster. Cuckservatives and Democrats will change their minds when drastic corporate tax reductions and Obamacare reform or replacement that Democrats like is blocked, respectively, by President F*ck You. A grand bargain can be attained, but it will move forward on its own power, as white anger against a 50-year-old anti-white immigration policy and the relentless flood of foreign affirmative action beneficiaries, unassimilable hostiles, and government dependents living on redistributed wealth builds. Another condition is that legalized immigrants can never become citizens, who vote. The deadlock will break. We are well past the 1990s.

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  179. pyrrhus says:

    Liberals never keep their bargains, as you are discovering with respect to the bi-lingual issue in California. Case closed–absolutely no deals.

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  180. @Rehmat
    What a B.S. dude.

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don't want to work.

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office - and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money - are White Folks.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto - most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don't mind living in your self-denial.

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    No, you won’t. Try 20 or 25%.

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  181. Boris N says:
    @RadicalCenter
    We don't exclude Spanish-speaking white people.

    Moreover, I don't know a single white person who refers to himself or other white people as "Caucasians." The only person I've ever known who calls whites "Caucasians" is a black American.

    Also, are you under the impression that most Spanish-speakers in the USA are white? You'd be wrong. There are many non-Mexican Hispanics in the usa, but the solid majority of both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants are Mexicans, and the great majority of them are nonwhite or mostly-nonwhite (mestizo or indio).

    We don’t exclude Spanish-speaking white people.

    Probably. But there are a lot of examples, when people speak of whites meaning only non-Hispanic whites or in other words English-speaking-only whites. For example, just a recent article here, where people complain about California becoming less white, while the real meaning is the state is not any more English-only and is becoming bilingual English-Spanish.

    Moreover, I don’t know a single white person who refers to himself or other white people as “Caucasians.” The only person I’ve ever known who calls whites “Caucasians” is a black American.

    The term Caucasian is so pervasive and established that people really think this obscure term is much more neutral than white. So it is very widespread if not default in formal and bureaucratic contexts at least. And many really call themselves Caucasian.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/stop-using-the-word-caucasian-to-mean-white/

    Also, are you under the impression that most Spanish-speakers in the USA are white? You’d be wrong. There are many non-Mexican Hispanics in the usa, but the solid majority of both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants are Mexicans, and the great majority of them are nonwhite or mostly-nonwhite (mestizo or indio).

    No, I know that, I studied American censuses very closely. But even they say that 53% Hispanics are simply white and 36% are “others”, that rather means people are confused about racial categories. Not many Hispanics chose “two races” and even less “Native American”. And I do not think being mestizo disqualify people from being white. They are not much less white then many South European or Middle Eastern people. Amerindian blood does not change much.

    I call myself European-American. Same is true, I’d wager, for some others on this site.

    I suppose it’s still much rarer.

    You may be attacking a straw man, buddy.

    I’m just trying to understand America thoroughly. Mostly I’m being frustrated and disappointed with the American reality. I thought America being much better.

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  182. @Discard
    No compromise. I want my country back. These imports are not American, no matter if they memorized the Constitution and can recite it at will. Note how Avik Roy and his friends could not understand that we Americans want our own country, run in our interests, and respectful of our traditions and culture. They are NOT assimilated. Any compromise is merely a truce, until the foreigners outnumber us in every age cohort, at which time they resume their conquest.

    AGREED. Why the heck should we compromise on this issue that Ted Kennedy and Congress lied to us about, and has been shoved down our throat and against our wishes for the past 50 years? How about, for a change, the American people make the decision on this issue that so greatly affects their country and not have CA run the show? I’ll “compromise” with a full moratorium on all immigration, deportation of illegals, and also deportation of muslims. How is that for a compromise. I wanted to deport all foreigners but since I am such a reasonable collaborative softie, I’ll meet the forces of immigration halfway.

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  183. Ed says:

    Seems quite clear to me Trump will use increased enforcement as a bargaining chip to get the immigration act of ’65 either repealed outright or significantly changed by new legislation. Might also attempt modifications to the birthright citizenship.

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  184. @Ron Unz

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.
     
    Actually, I've been writing for five years now regarding the impact of a high minimum wage on illegal immigration, and I think my reasoning is pretty sound.

    The key thing is that hiring illegal immigrants is regarded as a "victimless crime" by most elites and much of the public, along with the MSM, judges, and liberals, hence enforcement laws are very weak. Pro-immigrant Democrats will join with pro-immigration Republicans to keep them weak.

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *extremely* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as "felony wage theft," punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn't worth the risk.

    Judges who sent such greedy employers to prison would be praised by the NYT, very much unlike any judges who try to enforce illegal immigration laws.

    Having the MSM enthusiastically supporting your policies makes it much easier to have them enforced.

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#escaping-the-low-wage-society

    Your reasoning is probably correct. In Australia, the MSM tends to be pro-immigrant and will jump on natives who complain about the problems caused immigration. However, they will report stories about immigrants being underpaid by greedy employers.

    However, there are other economic factors than influence immigration, and one of the biggest is free trade deals. Illegal immigration to the US expanded rapidly following the NAFTA free trade deal:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/weekinreview/18uchitelle.html

    Unfortunately, many immigration restrictionists are staunch right-wingers on economic issues so they don’t see these kind of connections.

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    Your reasoning is probably correct. In Australia, the MSM tends to be pro-immigrant and will jump on natives who complain about the problems caused immigration. However, they will report stories about immigrants being underpaid by greedy employers.

    One of the large factors is Rupert Murdoch's ownership of the press - ~70% or so of the newspapers bought by Australians are owned by Rupert Murdoch. He owns half of Foxtel. He has two half-Chinese children with Wendy Deng.
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  185. Marie says:

    Dear God, please save us from Avik Roy and the Reformocon snakes and menaces…

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  186. As I recall, in 1985 there was a grande agreement between President Reagan and the Democrats that immigration would be sharply curtailed if amnesty were granted to the existing illegal immigrants. We all know how that turned out.

    Cuck me once, shame on you. Cuck me twice…………….there won’t be a second time, Cucks.

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  187. polistra says:

    The only correct “bargain” is ZERO.

    ZERO humans in, ZERO labor in, ZERO manufactured crap in.

    The only thing that should enter the country is raw materials that are not grown or mined here, like coffee beans and molybdenum.

    Any corporation that violates the ZERO rule shall be shut down and liquidated, and its executives shall be executed.

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  188. […] Unz proposes a grand bargain on immigration.  He believes the two sides don’t actually have incompatible […]

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  189. From everything I’ve heard Swedes seem like very pleasant people, rather agreeable to have around, while my personal experience with Mexicans leads me to a similar conclusion.

    Sweden is (or was, before it’s importation of Muslim barbarians) a civilized, peaceful, prosperous, technologically advanced First World country. Mexico is a quasi-failed state which depends for what little prosperity and stability it enjoys on its parasitical relationship with the US. From everything we know about Hispanics, including Mexicans, they are a civilizational disaster.

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  190. MBlanc46 says:
    @Discard
    No compromise. I want my country back. These imports are not American, no matter if they memorized the Constitution and can recite it at will. Note how Avik Roy and his friends could not understand that we Americans want our own country, run in our interests, and respectful of our traditions and culture. They are NOT assimilated. Any compromise is merely a truce, until the foreigners outnumber us in every age cohort, at which time they resume their conquest.

    Never. Never. Never. This is the hill we’ve got to die on. Giving in means obliteration.

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  191. OT:

    Hello Mr. Unz. Thanks for all the great work you do bringing us The Unz Review. I notice the site automatically embeds hyperlinks behind text if that text is a URL. But the embedded link incorporates any punctuation in the text, like, in this example, a parenthesis:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-color-will-the-american-color-revolution-be/#comment-1751097

    The punctuation corrupts the hyperlink.

    I don’t know off-hand whether this is easy to address or not (or whether it’s worth any effort even if easy), but I wanted to call it to your attention. For my part I’ve just started manually embedding hyperlinks or off-setting them entirely from any other text, but other commenters may not know to do so.

    Thanks again for your work.

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    I notice the site automatically embeds hyperlinks behind text if that text is a URL. But the embedded link incorporates any punctuation in the text, like, in this example, a parenthesis:
     
    Actually, thinking it over, even though parentheses are perfectly valid URL characters, very few people are aware of that, so I just went ahead and excluded them (as well as square brackets) in the code that generates the URL self-links.
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  192. Ron Unz says:

    The punctuation corrupts the hyperlink.

    The problem is that the system has to determine where the URL ends, and various punctuation symbols, including parentheses, are actually valid characters in a URL So you’d need to leave a space or some other invalid character to separate the hyperlink from the regular text.

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  193. Ron Unz says:
    @Autochthon
    OT:

    Hello Mr. Unz. Thanks for all the great work you do bringing us The Unz Review. I notice the site automatically embeds hyperlinks behind text if that text is a URL. But the embedded link incorporates any punctuation in the text, like, in this example, a parenthesis:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-color-will-the-american-color-revolution-be/#comment-1751097

    The punctuation corrupts the hyperlink.

    I don't know off-hand whether this is easy to address or not (or whether it's worth any effort even if easy), but I wanted to call it to your attention. For my part I've just started manually embedding hyperlinks or off-setting them entirely from any other text, but other commenters may not know to do so.

    Thanks again for your work.

    I notice the site automatically embeds hyperlinks behind text if that text is a URL. But the embedded link incorporates any punctuation in the text, like, in this example, a parenthesis:

    Actually, thinking it over, even though parentheses are perfectly valid URL characters, very few people are aware of that, so I just went ahead and excluded them (as well as square brackets) in the code that generates the URL self-links.

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    Mr. Unz,

    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system; when I go to my Unz Review ``homepage'' http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=FKA+Max and try to search and browse my comments by month, e.g. May 2016, it takes me to all comments (22,137) left on the Unz Review in May of 2016 http://www.unz.com/comments/all/2016/05/ instead of just to my two (2) comments I left for that month.

    It is the same problem with all the other months as well, as far as I can tell.

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  194. Your argument is insensible. Most of the ire is against Muslims and they are about 1% of the population. 40 % are indigenous , mostly African-American. None such ire against Indians, especially Hindus whose numbers are rising and about the same as Muslims. Infact, the Trump regime has embraced them and appointed them to all kinds of positions Your case is weak and smells of an insular White reactionary mind set.

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  195. FKA Max says:
    @Ron Unz

    I notice the site automatically embeds hyperlinks behind text if that text is a URL. But the embedded link incorporates any punctuation in the text, like, in this example, a parenthesis:
     
    Actually, thinking it over, even though parentheses are perfectly valid URL characters, very few people are aware of that, so I just went ahead and excluded them (as well as square brackets) in the code that generates the URL self-links.

    Mr. Unz,

    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system; when I go to my Unz Review “homepage” http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=FKA+Max and try to search and browse my comments by month, e.g. May 2016, it takes me to all comments (22,137) left on the Unz Review in May of 2016 http://www.unz.com/comments/all/2016/05/ instead of just to my two (2) comments I left for that month.

    It is the same problem with all the other months as well, as far as I can tell.

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    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system
     
    Thanks---it's been fixed.

    On the other hand, I went back and put in parentheses as valid URL characters, since I realized they're very widely used in Wikipedia URLs.

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  196. Ron Unz says:
    @FKA Max
    Mr. Unz,

    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system; when I go to my Unz Review ``homepage'' http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=FKA+Max and try to search and browse my comments by month, e.g. May 2016, it takes me to all comments (22,137) left on the Unz Review in May of 2016 http://www.unz.com/comments/all/2016/05/ instead of just to my two (2) comments I left for that month.

    It is the same problem with all the other months as well, as far as I can tell.

    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system

    Thanks—it’s been fixed.

    On the other hand, I went back and put in parentheses as valid URL characters, since I realized they’re very widely used in Wikipedia URLs.

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    Thank you very much, Mr. Unz!

    So you’d need to leave a space or some other invalid character to separate the hyperlink from the regular text.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/#comment-1751332

    That is exactly what I have been doing, like so:

    Remarkably, the latter has been on the table since at least the time of Avicenna [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna ]
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/god-exists-the-rest-is-speculation/#comment-1755422

    Sometimes I space it (pun intended), but most of the time I remember to do it properly. How Not to do it:


    This is why I support Planned Parenthood, want immigration to stop, and oppose amnesty, birthright citizenship and the Catholic Church [http://www.population-security.org/], etc.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/freed/iq-a-skeptics-view/#comment-1731013
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  197. FKA Max says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system
     
    Thanks---it's been fixed.

    On the other hand, I went back and put in parentheses as valid URL characters, since I realized they're very widely used in Wikipedia URLs.

    Thank you very much, Mr. Unz!

    So you’d need to leave a space or some other invalid character to separate the hyperlink from the regular text.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/#comment-1751332

    That is exactly what I have been doing, like so:

    Remarkably, the latter has been on the table since at least the time of Avicenna [ http://www.unz.com/article/god-exists-the-rest-is-speculation/#comment-1755422

    Sometimes I space it (pun intended), but most of the time I remember to do it properly. How Not to do it:

    This is why I support Planned Parenthood, want immigration to stop, and oppose amnesty, birthright citizenship and the Catholic Church [http://www.unz.com/freed/iq-a-skeptics-view/#comment-1731013

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  198. It’s odd that Mr. Unz nowhere acknowledges that his example of a successful “Grand Bargain”, Prop 227, had long since been eviscerated by the kritarchy, and that there was a proposition on the ballot in Nov 2016, since passed with the aid of a breathtakingly deceptive ballot description, that made the evisceration good law.

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  199. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @unpc downunder
    Your reasoning is probably correct. In Australia, the MSM tends to be pro-immigrant and will jump on natives who complain about the problems caused immigration. However, they will report stories about immigrants being underpaid by greedy employers.

    However, there are other economic factors than influence immigration, and one of the biggest is free trade deals. Illegal immigration to the US expanded rapidly following the NAFTA free trade deal:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/weekinreview/18uchitelle.html

    Unfortunately, many immigration restrictionists are staunch right-wingers on economic issues so they don't see these kind of connections.

    Your reasoning is probably correct. In Australia, the MSM tends to be pro-immigrant and will jump on natives who complain about the problems caused immigration. However, they will report stories about immigrants being underpaid by greedy employers.

    One of the large factors is Rupert Murdoch’s ownership of the press – ~70% or so of the newspapers bought by Australians are owned by Rupert Murdoch. He owns half of Foxtel. He has two half-Chinese children with Wendy Deng.

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