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What if the Children Dying in Gaza Were Jews?

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Let’s do a thought experiment and imagine that the Arabs had gotten the better of the Israelis in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and after years of conflict, all that was left of Israel was the Gaza strip.

Assume for a moment that instead of Palestinians, over 1.8 million Jews were crammed into the 11 mile Gaza strip and the state of Palestine, subsidized and supported by a superpower, was administering the calories to the Jews in Gaza, keeping them to a limit of 2,300 a day.

Imagine that instead of Palestinian children, it was Jewish children living under a Palestinian embargo that denied them toys, books, music and until a few years ago, even pasta. How do you think the world would react? Imagine if it were Palestinian commandos who had assaulted a peaceful cargo ship attempting to break the embargo to bring supplies to Jews in Gaza, killing nine, including one American. Do you think 85 US Senators would have signed a letter supporting the embargo on Gaza and the deadly attack on the cargo ship if that ship had been on a humanatarian mission to help Jews in Gaza?

NBC correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin reported first hand the death of four boys playing on the beach in Gaza. “The attack – and its heartrending aftermath – was witnessed by NBC News. Moments earlier, the boys were playing soccer with journalists on the beach. The four victims were named as Ahed Atef Bakr and Zakaria Ahed Bakr, both 10 years old, Mohamed Ramez Bakr, 11, and Ismael Mohamed Bakr, 9.” Ayman Mohyeldin, who is Egyptian-American, was later ordered by NBC to leave Gaza.

Glenn Greenwald reported that, “numerous NBC employees, including some of the network’s highest-profile stars, were…indignant,” and that Mohyeldin had been removed from Gaza allegedly due to pressure from Neo-con quarters which claimed Mohyeldin had been soft on Hamas.

It’s almost impossible to imagine that Mohyeldin would have been replaced if he had been reporting on the death of four Jewish youngsters at the hands of a Palestinian gunboat. What we see repeatedly in Gaza is how the media values Palestinian lives differently than Israeli ones.

The day after the attack, Samantha Power, US ambassador to the United Nations, began her comments this way:

“The United States is deeply concerned about the rocket attacks by Hamas and the dangerous escalation of hostilities in the region. In particular, we are concerned about the devastating impact of this crisis on both Israeli and Palestinian civilians.”

It’s unimaginable that if a Hamas rocket had landed in a park and killed four Israeli children that Ms. Power would have begun her remarks this way:

“The United States is deeply concerned about the Israeli incursion into Gaza and the dangerous escalation of hostilities in the region…”

Why is this inconceivable? Because Ms. Power and the government she represents support Israeli apartheid and simply do not value the lives of Palestinian children the same way they value the lives of Israeli children.

As reported by MSN, CNN reporter Diana Magnay was removed from Gaza because:

“Magnay was reporting live on the air as a group watched the Israeli bombardment of Gaza around her. After the report was over, she wrote on Twitter: ‘Israelis on hill above Sderot cheer as bombs land on #gaza; threaten to ‘destroy our car if I say a word wrong.’ Scum.’ CNN said in a statement Friday that Magnay was referring specifically to those who threatened her. CNN said the network and Magnay are sorry if anyone was offended. The network said Magnay has been reassigned to Moscow.”

If the people on the hill above her had been Arabs cheering on a Palestinian artillery battery hammering Jews, would Ms. Magnay have been reassigned to Moscow for calling those who threatened her ‘scum’? Unlikely.

World renowned Israeli novelist Amos Oz, who supports the war calling it “justified, but excessive”, asked the following questions during an interview to explain why he supports the Israeli offensive:

QUESTION 1: What would you do if your neighbor across the street sits down on the balcony, puts his little boy on his lap, and starts shooting machine-gun fire into your nursery?

QUESTION 2: What would you do if your neighbor across the street digs a tunnel from his nursery to your nursery in order to blow up your home or in order to kidnap your family?

Maybe the question for Mr. Oz should be: What would you do if your entire neighborhood was forced to live in a giant outdoor prison where your children were denied books, toys and forced to live on a bare minimum of calories? Would you fight back? Would your rhetoric become extreme?

Over 400 hundred Palestinian children have been killed during the current fighting in Gaza, children who during their short lives had been denied the basic necessities for having committed the crime of being born in the land of their ancestors. No one had more of a right to live in Palestine than did those children, yet Bob Scheifer of CBS News said the following:

“In the Middle East, the Palestinian people find themselves in the grip of a terrorist group that has embarked on a strategy to get its own children killed in order to build sympathy for its cause – a strategy that might actually be working at least in some quarters.”

Scheifer can only blame the Palestinians for ‘provoking’ the IDF.

Of course in Europe, the coverage is somewhat more balanced, but Roger Cohen of the NY Times let’s us know what’s behind that. He begins by quoting poet James Lasdun, “There is something uncannily adaptive about anti-Semitism: the way it can hide, unsuspected, in the most progressive minds.” Then Cohen continues, “…the war has also suggested how the virulent anti-Israel sentiment now evident among the bien-pensant European left can create a climate that makes violent hatred of Jews permissible once again.” What Mr. Cohen is saying is that if one applies the full measure of moral outrage towards the Israeli slaughter of children, as the Europeans are doing and the Americans refuse to do, then you are toying with anti-Semitism of the National Socialist variety.

A good example of Cohen’s logic at work was when Jimmy Carter used the word ‘apartheid’ to describe the situation in Gaza and was branded “dangerous and anti-Semitic” for simply stating the obvious.

While there has been some limited criticism from the United States regarding the Israeli invasion, no one should doubt who is calling the shots in the US/Israeli relationship. During the last conflict in Gaza in 2009, Condolezza Rice was going to vote for a UN resolution calling for a cease fire but Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert would have nothing of it. He explained what happened in a speech:

“When we saw that the secretary of state, for reasons we did not really understand, wanted to vote in favour of the UN resolution … I looked for President Bush and they told me he was in Philadelphia making a speech. I said, ‘I don’t care. I have to talk to him now’. They got him off the podium, brought him to another room and I spoke to him. I told him, ‘You can’t vote in favour of this resolution.’ He said, ‘Listen, I don’t know about it, I didn’t see it, I’m not familiar with the phrasing.’ He gave an order to the secretary of state and she did not vote in favour of it – a resolution she cooked up, phrased, organised and maneuvered for. She was left pretty shamed and abstained on a resolution she arranged.”

Who decides when a child deserves books, toys, and pasta or is better served by an artillery barrage? Mr. Netanyahu and his accomplices in the American government and media have no doubts about who deserves what.

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  1. Absurd. Israel is defending Western Civilization from sharia law. Obviously we must care about our allies first and foremost.

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  2. If they were Jews, you’d cheer, as you have done every time Arabs have massacred Israeli children. Remember all the bombings in 2000? You loved it, right? Those children weren’t human to you, because they were the wrong ethnic group. You were so happy to see those children mutilated, remember? You called it justice, right?

    Well, I call it a damn shame when Arab kids get killed, as it was when Japanese or German kids got killed in WWII. Because I’m not a sadistic sociopath like you are. I just recognize that war is bad and life is often ugly, especially in the Middle East. Do you care about victims of ISIS, unless you can pin it on the Jews? Of course not, you’re a sociopath. Boko Haram’s victims? Not a chance.

    You don’t care about dead kids unless they’re useful to you in propagandizing for the killing of more Jews. 2000 wasn’t that long ago. The parents and neighbors of all those murdered Jews still vote, and they’re voting for it not to happen again. Can you sanely expect them to vote otherwise? Would you vote for some sociopath who wanted to allow Hamas to bomb busses in your town? No. So they keep Hamas bottled up, and very few Jews are killed, and all Hamas can do is fire rockets at civilian neighborhoods.

    All this drives you insane with rage.

    You’re so full of hate, you can’t even think straight. If they dropped one little rocket in the vacant lot at the end of your street, you’d demand more than revenge. You’d demand genocide, immediately. You’d be foaming at the mouth so hard, you blind hatred of Israelis would look like nothing. But Jews are supposed to put up with pretty much anything, for some crazy reason.

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  3. The photo at the top of this column could make Goebbels proud. Quite obviously, from the body language and positions of all parties, the soldier is aiming into the distance, though the photo is taken from an angle that makes it look like — from a 2D perspective — the gun is pointed at the mother and children. Is there any approval process on this site? Ridiculous.

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  4. But it isn’t “jewish children” dying in Gaza. Palestinian children die in Gaza. Suffer in Gaza. In short form, that would be Israeli collective punishment. Or apartheid. Or ethnic cleansing. Or genocide. I’m partial to the last one. Israel works it’s horror under the protective umbrella of American impunity. Period and end of story.
    Here’s a ‘thought experiment’, imagine our world’s actual and for real war criminals held to account…

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  5. Would Unz even publish a pro-Israel or even a neutral post on the conflict? The slant is getting cartoonish.

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    No, it does not look as if the gun was pointed at the children, although the children clearly are afraid. Denial of what we do not want to see and acknowledge is evident in the hateful posts.

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  7. New York would grow by 1.8 million people. Seriously if the position was reversed the Jews would go back to their home countries. Well most would try to get to Western Europe or the USA.

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  8. Of course Israel would never bomb an apartment building to kill one Palestinian suspect if it was full of Israeli Jews. The Israelis are racist to the core. It started in 1947/8 when we now know that the Stern Gang and Irgun, in addition to driving them from their homes, executed defenseless civilians by the thousands in an effort to cleanse Palestine of the untermensch. The Israelis are now just continuing the long established zionist policy.

    It’s not only the racist politicians like Netanyahoo, Feiglin, Lieberman and Bennett that are promoting some kind of ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population, but the Israeli rabbis encourage wholesale slaughter and genocide. Israeli Rabbis, Shapira and Elitzur who wrote the “King’s Torah”, said that the commandment against murder
 “refers only to a Jew who kills a Jew, and not to a Jew who kills goyim. All civilians of the enemy population ‘rodef,” or villains are therefore fair game for slaughtering.”



    Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel for 10 years who died last
year, said that Palestinians are “snakes” and “accursed, wicked ones” and that “It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them.” Netanyahoo called Yosef, “among the greatest rabbis of our generation.

    Dov Lior, the rabbi of the settlement of Kiryat Arba, issued a religious ruling permitting the total destruction of Gaza if Israel’s military leaders deem it necessary.

    This kind of racism is far more evil than anything during Apartheid Africa.

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  9. Mr. Bonomo’s thought experiment reveals the glaring hypocrisy and inner savagery of Israel’s defenders. In this hypothetical world the voices that in our reality praise Israel and damn the Palestinians would reverse themselves. People like Krauthammer would praise the courageous defiance of an oppressed people driven to acts such as firing missiles at their tormentors and call upon the world to intervene to stop a second Holocaust.

    Israel’s defenders don’t care about ethical principles or humanity. It’s all about primitive tribalism. Ubermenschen versus untermenschen. They are morally depraved.

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  10. “Israel is defending western civilization”

    I support Israel entirely but this argument line is bullshit.

    Defending western civilization from what? Desert peasants with pitchforks? Kids with stones?
    Assholes with garage-made fertilizer bombs?

    Israel is defending Israel, which is all fine and dandy, but lets keep it clear.

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  11. A big problem in the Middle East is revenge religions. And as Eisenhower put it, “I don’t care which one it is.”

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  12. The Israelis and Palestinians deserve each other. It really is a pity that they cant both lose this war.

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  13. Christians (and Yezidis) were able to live under Muslim rule for 1,300 years. Then rabid Israel Firsters (neocons) took over US foreign policy and it was only a short time before Christians (and now Yezidis) were being Holocausted by extremist Muslims who at least sometimes have indisputable links to USG. Not that I think the neocons wanted to kill off all the Christians in the ME, but they seemed to have been focused on making the area safe for Israel to the virtual exclusion of other considerations. Essentially the same policy-what is now clearly a program of destabilization and chaos-was continued after the neocons officially left. Thus Libya and Syria. Full-blown chaos and mass murder couldn’t be allowed in a country as big and important as Egypt-so it was put back under military rule following the “Arab Spring.”

    The disingenuous will try to compare what is going on now to the complex ethnic-religious-political conflict of the long-running Lebanon Civil War-but it’s radically different.

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  14. Yes, it is too obvious. The israeli soldier is pointing his gun at the Palestinian children but you can’t accept the obvious. Can you!!!

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  15. Yes, some of us are upset with what ISIS is doing because it was an organization promoted by some US senators (McCain, Graham, etc) and has come out of the “Western” support for the overthrow of the Syrian government. Yes, Rolf, war is bad and the US government should stay out of it for that reason, not go around the world finding conflicts and picking sides. If the US stopped supporting Israel with money and bullets I think the situation would change dramatically.

    As for the picture, LA Dude, perhaps you’re right, the soldier is shooting at someone further away…using that woman and kids as a “human shield”.

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  16. In short you are asking what if Arabs and not Jews were committing genocide. Would we have government supported Holocaust museums glorifying the suffering of the Arabs, and trivializing the sufferings of others? Would it be a crime punishable by jailing to question or revisit the narrative of that suffering? Would the Arabs be able to justify their criminal acts by reference to that narrative? Would PBS be endlessly broadcasting this more than seventy years after the events while ignoring current history of apartheid and its natural consequence–genocide–in Gaza?

    The facts are that American foreign policy is created in Tel Aviv and enforced by AIPAC through a cowardly bunch of traitors in Congress and Executive branch. However, the current actions in Gaza have revealed to the world the character of the Israeli mindset and that of the American society. Genocide and the support for genocide is a path from which there is no return. America and Israel have been exposed as barbarous and hypocritical.

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  17. “Quite obviously, from the body language and positions of all parties, the soldier is aiming into the distance”

    If it’s so obvious to you, why do you assume that the rest of us can’t also see it?

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  18. “Israel is defending Western Civilization from sharia law.”

    And how exactly is that going to work? I, for one, would like to hear the details about how Israel is going to save us.

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  19. Another question – what if AIPAC (that writes all those checks to US Congressman) stood for American Iranian Political Action Committee? or What if Wolfe Blitzer or Charles Krauthammer were of Lebanese ancestry? Or Bill Kristol ? Or Sheldon Adelson? What if the ridiculous Old Testament called the Caanites the “chosen people”?
    But; unfortunately, none of this exists – the only reality in America is the baloney put out by the above commentators (e.g. Yitzhak, Rolf or LA Dude) who are desperate to convince others that the evil that Israel does is somehow justified. Maybe they just need to convince themselves first.

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  20. Do I care more about Israels atrocities than I do Boko Haram, ISIS, WWII … yes, because as an American taxpayer we are actively giving fucking Israel billions of dollars a year subsidizing their military actions and I don’t want to send you people money so you can use it to kill a bunch of kids. Plus your tiny little speck of a country has far too much influence in our government, far more than it should, but that’s another problem entirely.

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  21. Is it anti-semitic to withdraw one’s special sympathies for Israel from consideration? Is it anti-semitic to hold Israelis to the same standards you do everyone else in the world, including your own country (whose actions in making war you have repeatedly criticized, often denying the premises on which the wars have been raised)? Is it anti-semitism to regard Israel as a nation state which may be taken to task for its deeds in international tribunals? Is it anti-semitism to make a choice not to buy Israeli goods, a personal choice based on trying to send a message when your own government, for reasons of cowardice, is so reluctant to criticize Israel’s choices – as why should Israel’s choices always be applauded with unanimous votes in an otherwise divided and contentious Congress? Anti-semitism is a peculiar thing when you are otherwise perfectly willing to live with Jews in the world, never willing to restrict their civil rights in your own society. Does Jimmy Carter make ugly jokes and keep Jews out of country clubs back in Georgia? Does he attempt to shut down stores owned by Jewish merchants or insist that universities adopt “numerus clausus” policies? No he does not. He is not an anti-semite, and when he was in office he sought peace in the Middle East that was fair and equitable. Yet I have heard him slurred that way in private by people whose vision has been influenced by propaganda from Israel. When I think of the Jimmy Carter I have seen in the media, whose deeds in Habitat for Humanity I have seen do noble things, when his concerns about Africa’s diseases have been shared and led to good results, I cannot square that image with an anti-semite for his having said a word which once applied to South Africa – “apartheid”. He dared to publicly criticize Israel. He refused to accept their irresponsible and hurtful behavior. He is seen by them as a monster the way a spoiled child sees an adult who tries to step in when it is having a meltdown. Make no mistake: Israel is hurting itself in public. If the US accepts this behavior and applauds it, what does that make it? I would argue that when you let someone self-destruct through wanton behavior, you are actually furthering its ultimate demise. It seems the worst form of anti-semitism is to enable the kind of behavior Israel has lately indulged in. Friends don’t let friends commit genocide. The apartheid Jimmy Carter deplored was the early stage of genocide, and we see some fruits of it in the latest operation.

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  22. What sharia law? The Gazans do not practice that, whatever it is. They are pretty much secular, in spite of the head dresses. Any time religion would come into it would be to bolster their own defenses against oppression. The Israelis are the one pushing them to extremism by their ghettoizing them and then dropping bombs. You can bet this will provoke some to take the path of mysticism, and then Israel can point to them as a bunch of fanatics. It can rely on the notably amnesiac quality of American life to point this out. You torture the prisoner and then you show he is a mad dog. What you are saying is that Israel is conducting a religious war in the name of “Western Civilization”. But that’s just a lie. Israel is not a religious place, except to follow revelations which reinforce territorial control. It has actually turned away from its roots, as has much of Western Civilization. It may be in a country of its invention, but it is actually wandering in the wilderness and will continue to do so until it actually returns to good ethics towards its fellow men. Given the track record of the country (or any country for that matter), that day may be far off. Israel is just a country like any other, deep down, but with loftier pretensions than most. They are not a savior of any high value. It takes individuals for that, not a state.

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  23. The troops that are involved in the attack on Gaza are hand-picked for their zealotry – zealots follow the teachings of the Talmud (and the Old Testament) which makes utterly clear the distinction in value between the life of a Jew and that of another human being. We know that not all Israelis are zealots but the majority seem to be content with the advantages and the soft living that their fanatical cousins have been able to win for them.

    As to the complicity of US Jewry, I see so many who feel guilty because they abandoned Israel for the ‘easy life’ of the diaspora – and the Israelis exploit this feeling of inferiority, treating them with disdain, and forcing them to become even more extreme than most Israelis. You see a lot of their ‘outrage’ expressed in the responses here – these people and usually pretty smart and probably don’t really believe what they are saying but at the same time they feel so uncomfortable if they don’t, somehow, show solidarity.

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  24. The last time I saw statistics on the total number of people killed as a result of Israel’s invasion of the Gaza Strip, the number of Palestinians stood at about 1900 (mostly women and children) while the number of Jews totaled 54 or 55, with all but three Jews being front-line soldiers. What this translates into is that since the life of a Jew (by their own estimation) is at least 1,000 times more valuable than the life of non-Jews, Israel lost about 54,000 people at the hands of a defenseless people.

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  25. Jews value the lives of non-jewish children much lower than they do Jewish children’s lives.

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  26. People of certain origins are non-compromising types who desever no peace with law of God.

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  27. Bring Israel to American land. Safe for everyone.

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  28. I have zero love for Israel

    BUT

    A country has a right to defend itself when some pissant neighbor decides to launch hundreds of missiles at it and infiltrate into said country via sophisticated underground tunnels to murder civilians.

    And when you deliberately put missile launchers in residential neighborhoods expect to see a lot of
    civilian dead when the other side retaliates.

    Of course the Bonomos of the West don’t care about this nasty tactic. They have agenda to promote.

    It isn’t peace, it’s simply the demonization of Jews. Goebbels would be proud of Bonomo and others like him.

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  29. “Let’s do a thought experiment and imagine that the Arabs had gotten the better of the Israelis in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and after years of conflict, all that was left of Israel was the Gaza strip.”

    Yeah, and imagine that blacks had taken over America, enslaved whites, and now whites were the ones with lower earnings and higher crime rates.

    Can’t imagine it? Of course not, because it’s impossible. If Arabs were able to organize things well enough to defeat Jews, they wouldn’t be Arabs. They’d be civilized people, and then maybe they’d be worth supporting.

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  30. New York would grow by 1.8 million people. Seriously if the position was reversed the Jews would go back to their home countries. Well most would try to get to Western Europe or the USA.

    You mean South Florida, where the current Israeli ambassador to the U.S. was born and raised.

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  31. One of the few who makes sense….

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  32. For all of those so called Christians who are cheering on the killing of the children in Gaza by the nation state of Israel, by accepting the carnage that Israel is committing to Gaza, remember that there are Christians in Gaza and they are being bombed as well!

    However I have a more important question for you.

    What would you say to Jesus Christ if he asked you Why? Why are you allowing the killing innocent children?

    Acceptance of what is happening denotes that you should have a millstone tied around your neck and to be thrown into the sea! Christ’s commandment for the harming of children!

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  33. @ Dave Pinson… “Would Unz even publish a pro-Israel or even a neutral post on the conflict? ”

    Being pro israel is like claiming to be a degenerate….get over it, it’s not about your religion, it’s about behaving like barbarians.

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  34. Foaming at the mouth?

    That pretty much sums up YOUR hysterical tirade.

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  35. Like what?
    The news cycle of Gaza and Israel been marked by episodes of violences against Palestine inhabitants and relative calm periods defined by blockades and incursions by Israel. The life in Gaza mirrors what is being reported in UNZ .COM and not by what Israel would like people to know but by what Israel does not want the world to know .

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  36. What if the Children Dying in Gaza Were Jews?

    What? You have never read history? Did anything ever happen anywhere when Jews were slaughtered and butchered? Can you point to a single time or place when anyone ever gave a crap? I know of none. In fact you do not care about children dying anywhere. You did not care about the hutu and the tuzi (I believe that in your hearts you just said — well that is what niggers do) Or the tens of thousands that have died in the last years in Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc. etc. (Then your attitude was — well that is what rag heads do) And the only reason that you care now is that you hate Jews. If Jews were not involved you would be doing more important things, like watching TV, or Porn

    Which is why the News said NEVER AGAIN!! and meant it to the tune of 75 to 400 nuclear weapons, and the sampson option.

    Defending western civilization from what? Desert peasants with pitchforks? Kids with stones? Assholes with garage-made fertilizer bombs?

    No you idiot!!! From assholes who fly planes into buildings and kill 3000 people.

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  37. Israel cares nothing about Western Civilization. Israel only cares about Israel and getting the Americans to: (1) give them money and (2) spill their blood for Israel’s crazy ideas about ethnic cleansing and Mideast hegemony.

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  38. It’s hard to tell the rightwing nuts from the leftwing crazies on this website. However I can tell this guy is a left winger because he is incoherent and he hates Jews so much. When is the last time a Jew blew up an American? All they do is pick our pockets.

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  39. Well, firstoff, the 20 or so other Jewish states would give these 1.8 million of their co-ethnics asylum in their own countries, so that they don’t have to suffer under Arab rule.

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  40. Lavon affairs .
    USS Liberty
    Rachel Cory
    Gaza Flotilla murder of American youth
    Bombing by Jewish Defense League in California
    There are more

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  41. UNZ has done a great job by keeping the eye on the ball . I sincerely hope that Obama administration will express its impotence (as NYT has confirmed on Tuesday by using the euphemism of having no sway ) vs Israel.
    But at least it can express more than outrage at the slaughter of Yezdis and Christian by Isis ,then decide something concrete about it . He can threaten the countries that are supporting Isis . It is mind boggling that there is no genuine outcry from among the Evangelics or Catholic or Liberal that can force some restorative/ curative/ balanced actions on the part of US . It seems the whole scenario of mass slaughter will be ignored but may be used for pure propaganda against Islam or Arab by the Fox ,CNN,WSJ,and by diehard religious leaders who just want to demonize Islam but won’t raise a finger to stop it. Christian has been forced out of Palestine .Now they are by Muslim fanatics from Syria,Iraq,Lebanon.
    Step up to the plate. Politics and demonization can wait. People are dying or waiting to be slaughtered .

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  42. Great book for you
    911 and Israeli Connection , by Justin Raimondo.

    It is time to call Israel’s bluff as George Bush 1 did,as Eisenhower did. Put pressure as Carter did.

    Israel will be the last country to think of Sampson option. They love money and good life way too much ,particularly when the money is free.

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  43. People are resisting Hasabara and the establishment is taking note of it. The media is paying attention to the anger on the street

    CNN got rid of “analyst” Oren.
    The Week is exposing the propaganda -http://theweek.com/article/index/265798/the-3-big-lies-supporting-israels-war-in-gaza

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  44. u must b kidding, israel knows nothing about civilisation , in fact its a threat to world peace

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  45. Israelis = new Nazis

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  47. It appears that Netanyahu has mobilized his Zionist trolls to come and post a comment on this site. I have not seen such hypocrisy. Yes, Israel has a right to…Palestinians don’t have a right to…Palestinians must disarm, but Israelis must arm to teeth. Bull! Despite all the propaganda, Israel has acted and in doing so has revealed its ugly and savage nature.

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  48. Israel’s enemies lauched a war of anhilation in 1948. That is a war crime

    Israel’s enemies sided with the Nazis and helped them try to kill off all the jews. That is a war crime.

    Israel’s enemis persecuted and expelled their jewish populations that is why there are no jews in arab lands any more.

    Jews have no chance in mulsim nations.

    Those who follow bathism , Khomenism or Al Qadia are all fascist bigots who can’t be trusted to govern or protect their minorities.

    Shame on them and their supporters.

    Case closed

    say it is not so.

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  49. Should Oriental religions be considered Western?

    If it were Jewish children dying in such large numbers there would be outrage and something would be done to end the slaughter. What happened in Gaza is a tragedy. Palestinians should not be in two concentration camps and Israel should have to concern itself with rocket fire from its neighbors even if they can’t hit a barn with them. Either the world can accept Greater Israel or it can enforce the pre-1967 borders and police, protect, and govern Palestine until all of this blows over and the Israeli settlers in Palestinian territory develop an attachment to Palestine or they leave for Israel. The Palestinians and Israelis are not going to make peace. The goal of the Israelis is to teach Palestinians learned helplessness. They want them to give up the fight, stay in their cage, and take their abuse without putting up any resistance. I disagree with how this is being played out in this us vs them battle. No one is going to convince partisans of the other side that they are right so the issue should be re-framed in such a way that those who want peace and security will be on one side and the Greater Israel folks on the other. The world is not going to gain anything by playing the diplomacy game. The radicalization of followers of the Oriental Abrahamic religions through the Palestinian-Israel conflict is a serious issue that cannot wait any longer. We cannot expect them to solve it themselves. It only takes a few deaths for this level of carnage to occur. Who knows if, where, when more reprisal attacks will occur on the West like 9/11. We aren’t immune to the conflict so it must be dealt with now.

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  50. After approximately 30 days of war and about 1950 dead we can do a calculation. 195o divided by 30 equals 65 killed per day. With approximately 1, 950,000 people living in Gaza, it would take almost 30,000 days to commit genocide against the people of Gaza. That is 82 years. We can now declare the Israeli genocide actions to be the most inefficient in history. Genocide has a specific scientific and legal meaning. The word should not be used without sufficient scientific proof that is what is actually being done. What ISIS is doing in Iraq might meet the definition of genocide, but not what the Israeli government has done in Gaza.

    Hamas could significantly improve the situation in Gaza within 1 day. Change the Hamas charter to one that does not call for the killing of all Jewish residents of Israel and the taking over of Israel. Eliminate all talk of takig over the lands Israel was allocated in the 1947 UN partition plan.

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  51. It seems the President of the USA has authorized airdrops of supplies to those who ISIS has trapped on a mountain. One problem with militarily attacking ISIS is that they are now using equipment that is visually identical to that of the Iraqi and Kurdish military and law enforcement organizations. That makes for a very difficult targeting situation.

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  52. What would you do if your entire neighborhood was forced to live in a giant outdoor prison where your children were denied books, toys and forced to live on a bare minimum of calories? Would you fight back? Would your rhetoric become extreme?

    Robert – The population of Gaza has a growth rate of 3.4%. How do you explain this? Certainly Gaza is no paradise, but the attempted parallelism with Nazi ghettos and concentration camps does not work at all here given Gaza’s population growth rate, free exercise of religion, political autonomy, Israeli provision of electricity and food, the UN’s assistance and presence, foreign financial aid, etc., etc. Perhaps the blockade is related to the Islamist group called Hamas being the official government of Gaza…? (As a reminder, the US government has officially designated them as a terrorist organization.)

    Regarding the impulse to “fight back,” you must implicitly believe Muslim Arabs to be animals if you excuse them for “resistance” that includes suicide bombing, targeting civilians, and the use of human shields (i.e. sacrificing their own non-combatants as a fighting tactic). It is hard to imagine other populations, under any circumstances, demonstrating such utterly nihilistic behavior, much less being given a pass for it. How about the slaves in the antebellum South, European Jews in WW2, South African blacks under the Afrikaners, Native Americans, etc., etc.)? Different values, I guess. (Hint: look up the term ‘Dar al-Harb’ — regions of warfare, according to Islam.)

    Likewise with “extreme rhetoric,” which in the case of Muslim Arabs includes public calls to exterminate the Jews. Children’s TV programming in Gaza encourages the killing of Jews and glorifies martyrdom — again, to *children*. I am unaware of populations outside of the Muslim world that engage in such “extreme rhetoric.” Can you name any and substantiate your claims?

    Do Muslims in the Middle East have no moral agency or culpability for their misery and the havoc they wreak on others and on themselves?

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  53. This comment from mondoweiss can explain why the blind spots that dot the American moral,political,legal,and ethical landscape and destroy the nationalism ,and erode the national interests should be cured once for all and never be allowed to return .

    “Philip Munger says:

    August 8, 2014 at 1:02 am
    1. We don’t send hundreds of billions of American tax dollars to the North Koreans so that they can drop or shoot white phosphorus and artillery shells onto or into schools and hospitals.

    2. We don’t write tax policies that enable the Han Chinese to invest in housing projects that eject Tibetans from their homes in Lhasa.

    3. We don’t have a State Department chief spokesperson whose husband developed an expansionist policy paper for the Iranian government.

    4. We don’t cater to lobbyists from Sudan who constantly encourage us to go to all-out war against a neighboring country that hasn’t attacked one of their neighbors in generations.

    5. We don’t have a Pentagon whose offices are stuffed with people with dual Somali-American citizenship, who manufacture false premises to march us into a series of wars in the heart of Africa.

    6. We aren’t experiencing a time when a small group of ruthless Burmese generals and politicians have hijacked Buddhism, turning it into a militant version of what had once been a great religion, and branding anyone who doesn’t believe in a Myanmar expansion version of Buddhism as anti-Burmese or anti-Buddhist.

    7. Additionally, no North Korean, Chinese, Sudanese, Burmese or Somali general, politician, general or warlord is openly bragging that the United States is fighting two wars and threatening to start a third one, on their behalf.

    8. The Prime Ministers of Egypt, Syria, Tunisia or Libya have not appeared in American political ads in the most recently run national election, advocating openly against the incumbent president.

    9. When a Saudi head of state visits our congress, we don’t have a joint session for him, resulting in more standing ovations than our own President received in his State of the Union address.

    10. If the Ukraine government wants money for arms, our congress isn’t there within minutes, voting in a resolution pre-written by the America-Ukraine Public Affairs Committee.

    11. Also, and importantly, there is no large body of American people
    who openly believe that we need to foster violence in North Korea, Tibet, China, Somalia, Venezuela, Cuba, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Burma, so that we may enable the second coming of Jesus Christ, and implement a new age. And there is no cynical tie-in between Columbian politicians who hope to bring money to their country because of some apocalyptic religious myth, and American fundamentalist sects who total in the tens of millions of misguided believers.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/semitism-meaning-liberals.html

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  54. 1Reprint of Yochanan Gordon’s “When Genocide is Permissible” (Updated) Aug 1 . 2014 http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/yochanan-genocide-permissible.html

    2 ‘Tomorrow there’s no school in Gaza, they don’t have any children left’ — Israeli chant July 28 http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/tomorrow-children-israeli.html

    3 Survivors of massacre in Khuza’a say Israeli forces used Palestinians as human shields http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/survivors-massacre-palestinians.html

    4 Raising money for Israel ,reminding Americans to shore up support for Israeli soldiers ,troops ,and asking to donate or buy bonds or both in New York Synagogue

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hospitals-synagogue-palestinian.html

    5 “Photo: Message on Israeli shell headed to Gaza, ‘Thats for canceling the Backstreet Boys, you scum!’

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israeli-canceling-backstreet.html

    6 Young cute beautiful Israeli girls writing on the rocket,missiles,on shells

    Dear Lebanese/ Palestinian/ Canadian/ American/ Muslim/ Christian/ Australian/ or Anyone else who stands in our way,

    DIE.

    love,
    Israeli Kids
    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/07/israeli-children-sign-their-missiles_18.html

    7 those cute girls have teen age sisters and adolescent brothers and now they are tweeting . http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/terrifying-tweets-israeli.html

    Tweet before kill as IDF soldiers . The process starts during infancy at Israeli Kingdergarden

    8 Chants of death to Arabs in TelAviv and Jerusalem Street-http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/death-arabs-

    jerusalem.html

    9 Thpusands from West have joined Israel to kill Palestininan ( like Jihadist from west and Pakistan gone to kill Christian )
    . Birth Right Program is to be blamed for it at least in US-http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/07/max_steinberg_death_how_birthright_convinces_american_jews_to_embrace_israel.html

    10-Democrat Eliot Engel appears at pro-Israel rally featuring anti-Muslim activist Pamela Geller July 21 2014.

    11. CNN headline: “100 people killed today in Israel, Gaza fighting”
    July 21 ,2014
    12 Israel is bitten by a bat” It has rabies . Gaza is a concentration camp . Weschler in http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/israel_has_been_bitten_by_a_bat_20140718

    13 Gazans are committing “self genocide” -Naftali Bennett ,http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hasbarapocalyse-committing-genocide.html
    14

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  55. 14 Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-finally-speaks-his-mind/

    15 Pearl Jam’s Eddie Vedder says Israel is using our taxes to ‘drop bombs on children’ and take land.
    http://www.mondoweiss.net

    But Israeli media calls it anti Israeli diatribe

    http://www.jpost.com/Arts-and-Culture/Music/WATCH-Pearl-Jams-Eddie-Vedder-launches-anti-Israel-diatribe-during-concert-362556

    16 “On Thursday, July 10, I entered the Hebrew word for “Arabs”, ARAVIM, into Twitter and searched for uses of the word over the previous few hours. What I found was young Israelis proclaiming their desire for all Arabs to die and in some cases be tortured to death.” David Sheen .http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/terrifying-tweets-israeli.html

    17 Israel needs no proof to kill Palestinians for teens’ death, Israeli colonel says

    18 “Earlier this week, the Jerusalem Post‘s Herb Keinon and Yonah Jeremy Bob reported that unnamed sources told the paper that the once-abandoned policy of destroying the homes of alleged militants involved in attacks–and thus harming suspects’ families–would return. An official told the paper that the policy “levels the playing field somewhat.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/officials-demolishing-suspects.html

    19 “In the wake of the Oslo Accords, in which Israel granted the PLO political autonomy in the West Bank, about 60,000 Americans were murdered in Israel.”
    Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
    and adds”
    The rotting corpse of the Presbyterian Church suffered another nail in the coffin with its general convention vote on Friday to divest from companies doing business with Israel. ”

    60000!!!! Ameticans don’t know it. ! Presbyterian Church is rotting!!!! The Language of The non Antisemitic !!! The language !!

    Ref-http://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-presbyterian-victory/

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/americans-murdered-palestinians.html

    20 lying son of famous lying and racist now deceased father –”Prime Minister Netanyahu on the IDF-ISA [Israel Security Agency] operation in the northern Gaza Strip: Our policy is clear – kill those who rise up to kill us” http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/ministers-chilling-tweet.html

    They are rising against your thuggish occupations nd you are inciting murder.

    21 “‘We’ve succeeded in taking peace negotiations off agenda,’ Israeli leader crows”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/succeeded-negotiations-israeli.html

    22 ““There is no basis to the perception that the status quo is a bad thing,” said Interior Minister Gideon Sa’ar, echoing a stance on relations with the Palestinians that seems to be gaining traction among Israeli politicians, if to judge from speeches made at the 14th annual Herzliya Conference which opened Sunday at the IDC.

    Sa’ar wasn’t the only official at the conference to voice a favorable opinion of allowing the two state solution to depart from modern day policy, with a reserve IDF general even going as far as saying that peace with the Palestinians is no longer in Israel’s interest.” http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4528534,00.html.
    June 9 ,2014
    Peace or two state solution or allowing a normal life to Palestine is not in the interrst of Israel and that is the fabric of Zionism . It has never been otherwise.
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  56. 24 deliberate killing of health workers by Israel:

    http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2014/08/07/mounting-evidence-deliberate-attacks-gaza-health-workers-israeli-army

    25. Media censorship by Iran again! . No .By Israel.

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/08/01/israels-military-censors-demand-prior-review-nyts-gaza-reporting

    26 http://www.commondreams.org/news/2009/07/02/amnesty-accuses-israel-using-human-shields-gaza ;
    Amnesty accuses Israel of using human shield in Gaza 2 nd July 2014 Agence France Presse

    27 http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/07/31/israel-uses-palestinians-human-shields-us-lawmakers-condemn-hamas

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  57. It is Israel who kidnaps the kids from homes and uses them as shields. The IDF practices of using civilians and practices of putting school going children as a protection from the responses of Hamas defensive forces when IDF approaches the homes and the houses of the Hamas are the replay of what IDF have been perfecting for decades.

    They did in in Lebanon and blamed it on Lebansee .

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2007/05/17/democrats-and-human-shields-myth -Stephen Zunes is a professor of Politics at the University of San Francisco and the Foreign Policy In Focus Middle East editor.

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  58. KA – Since you ducked my question elsewhere, I will repeat: where is your outrage over the Muslim-on-Muslim slaughters in the Middle East? Your disproportionate silence is shocking. To date, approximately 180,000 Arabs have died in the current Syrian Civil War alone — this dramatically eclipses the loss of life in Gaza. If your key interest is the well-being of those living in the Middle East, why have you spilled a hugely disproportionate amount of digital ink on the war in Gaza?

    KA – Those of us who are from the West are very accustomed to engaging in a style of communication called ‘rational discourse’. This is a form of discussion relying on facts and logic that deals with questions and assertions on their own merits rather than resorting to evasion (i.e. ignoring arguments), misdirection, name calling, or emotional appeals. You have posted countless external links here to anti-Israel sources, as well as articles, but they are superfluous since Unz.com already contains vast quantities of the same type of content (i.e. the arguments in your hyper-linked sources can already be found on this website).

    Are you capable of engaging in a direct exchange of ideas without using the writings of other people as rhetorical crutches or trying to bury me in links to other sources? (By the way, there are also plenty of links that can be referenced in support of pro-Israel views — perhaps you are unaware of this if you still reside in a Muslim autocracy.) Also, passing off unattributed articles as your own will also not count, as in the West, lying is not considered a legitimate means of communication. Think and speak for yourself.

    Extra Question: Do you believe that Muslim Arabs bear principal moral responsibility when they kill each other (whether Sunni or Shia) and when they target non-Muslim civilians? Alternatively, do you believe that Israel bears principal moral responsibility in these cases?

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  59. KA – Please read my questions to you very carefully and respond directly to the questions. (If you need a dictionary, go to http://www.m-w.com; I know that English is not your first language.)

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  60. No need demonization of Jews by others. They do it on their own. Mr Bonomo here is just describing what is happening.

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  61. One difference is the American taxpayer isn’t financing the “Muslim on Muslim” slaughter in the ME, like we are the Israeli onslaught on Gaza. Besides, most of the death and destruction in Iraq are a result of the US’s disasterous intervention there at the behest of America’s Israeli fifth column.

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  62. @Jooripgwarhee

    “Say it is not so.”

    It is not so. Your comment is simplistic nonsense, which I shall not waste my time addressing, except by repeating, ‘IT IS NOT SO.’

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  63. Israel is defending ‘Western civilization’? That claim is laughably odious. I smell the presence of an Israeli troll.

    The problems in Palestine are primarily local. There is no threat to the US by Sharia law in Palestine or elsewhere in the Middle East. Stop blowing Zionist smoke. And the crisis in Palestine is a post-Zionist problem. Jewish Apartheid is the problem. And it has already claimed millions of victims. Today, an entire people are being held in captivity by Israel. Washington is funding this ongoing tragedy. And at the behest of Israel, the US is threatening war throughout the region. This is a criminal enterprise.

    In fact, America’s general, long-term security is being undermined each and every day by Israel’s ‘special attachment’ to Washington. This parasitic relationship has endured for half a century. It is a cancer on the face of America and the entire world.

    What America needs from Israel is for the militant Jewish state to remove its nefarious operatives from our nation’s capitol. After that, Israel must free it captives in Gaza and the West Bank and begin the process of reconciliation.

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  64. I challenge you to show me an operating Christian church in Gaza in 2014.

    Really quite sad, because the original INDIGENOUS people of Gaza were the Coptic-speaking Christians. They were genocided by a colonialist invasion of Muslim Arabic-speakers from Arabia.

    and that is a simple fact of history.

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  65. “Let’s do a thought experiment and imagine that the Arabs had gotten the better of the Israelis in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War…”

    You can end the thought experiment right there. The Arabs would’ve massacred them and that would have been that.

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  66. While I was trying to figure out which of the intellectual ghettos you are from, I found some words for you. You can embroider your cap with theses words.
    These include sophistry casuistry,tautology ,circular,and Hasabara .
    Number game is one game you are allowed to play. I don’t want to spoil your elevated state of happiness.
    But if 100 000 are worse than 1000, then may be 20 millions Russians lost in Second World War should replace all the edifices commemorating the 6 millions Jews.

    I have total faith in those links and references that you find to be crutches and of no value in comparison to your undisclosed evidences.
    . I heard this before . One peasant would not believe that earth moved round the Sun . He had his evidences right there in front of him . Galileo, Bruno, Kopernicus or the satellite images would not dislodge him from his vision based faith. Well it did not matter to him. He kept on ploughing tha land and celebrate the Sun as the roving God as before without ever damaging his harvest.That his discourse .

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  67. I gave you the references, the quotes,the descriptions and the assertions . All made by Zionist . Those information don’t seem to move you much towards the truth and the enlightenment .

    Tomorrow you will disown Zionist ‘s philosophy if it did not suit you anymore .

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  68. If Jews were using their own children as human shields, and as a result some of those children died, I would feel that it is unfortunate but I would blame the Jews not the Arabs for it.

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  69. Jews would be permanently apeshit, that’s what.

    What if the people crawling all over the American media were saying “a handful of dead Jews and a lot of rather insubstantial allegations about malice and bad tactics justify Germans killing Jews by the thousands” instead of saying quite similar things about Arabs and Jews, as they are today?

    Jews, and their water boys (the American media & gov’t) would go apeshit, that’s what.

    But reciprocity is “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!” Only Jews getting their way in everything, all the time, is proper and just. Chosen People of Almighty G-d, dontchaknow.

    Absurd. Israel is defending Western Civilization from sharia law. Obviously we must care about our allies first and foremost.

    Lol. Wicked sense of humor, have we?

    Well, I call it a damn shame when Arab kids get killed

    Yeah, that’s what I say while I’m writing a check to an American organization that supports my ethnic cousins overseas in bombarding civilian centers with artillery fire, and the thought of the inevitable consequences pops into my head: “what a damn shame!”

    Like we’re talking about a tornado or something, lol.

    Because I’m not a sadistic sociopath like you are.

    Yes, that’s right, you’re the real human being here. You’re here making out the people objecting to the slaughter of Jews by Nazis Palestinians by Jews as genocidal sociopaths, while the good guys carry out said slaughter.

    As the old saying goes, “the Jew cries out in pain as he beats you.” Heathens (“gentiles”) seem to be real suckers for this act. Probably has something to do with the fact that they can’t even come close to wrapping their minds around doing something like that.

    Good for you, you should be proud.

    Do you care about victims of ISIS, unless you can pin it on the Jews? Of course not, you’re a sociopath. Boko Haram’s victims? Not a chance.

    Right, let’s get down into the muck and compare Jews to folks like ISIS. There’s a favorable image.

    You’re so full of hate, you can’t even think straight.

    Projection, much?

    The photo at the top of this column could make Goebbels proud. Quite obviously, from the body language and positions of all parties, the soldier is aiming into the distance, though the photo is taken from an angle that makes it look like — from a 2D perspective — the gun is pointed at the mother and children. Is there any approval process on this site? Ridiculous.

    Jewry understand lying for a “good cause,” having carefully perfected the methods through constant use over centuries. So, I’m sure they’ll forgive us.

    I find the last picture most telling. What are the Jewish kids writing on the bombs? Let me guess:

    “It’s a damn shame when Arab kids get killed”?

    P.S., I finally loaded the image, and I think the takeaway point is three poor, oppressed Jews (woman and two terrified children) and an armed oppressor Nazi, not where his sights may or may be lining up.

    If it’s so obvious to you, why do you assume that the rest of us can’t also see it?

    Haha. Because Jews are old hands at manipulation, and they certainly aren’t going to up the average American’s manipulation IQ, for obvious reasons. So it’s got to stick in their craw when they have to suffer blowback.

    Here’s a ‘thought experiment’, imagine our world’s actual and for real war criminals held to account…

    Israel would be depopulated, according to the usual “liberal” Jewish logic we’re subjected to in the West on a constant basis.

    Would Unz even publish a pro-Israel or even a neutral post on the conflict? The slant is getting cartoonish.

    Good question. I would urge him to do so, if given the opportunity. We could throw out a bunch of links to it and draw in some useful idiot eyeballs, in the vain hope of getting them to read around the site and consider some fresh facts and ideas.

    The Israelis are racist to the core.

    I think “Jews are racist to the core” works better. Sure, they needed Israel to feel safe enough to really be themselves, but it’s always there. Slave owners can be quite agreeable, when the slaves are in line. Sit on the porch, sip some wine, and discuss the finer points of whatever. They don’t get upset until a slave tries to escape, or talks about a “war on whites.”

    Israeli Rabbis, Shapira and Elitzur who wrote the “King’s Torah”, said that the commandment against murder? “refers only to a Jew who kills a Jew, and not to a Jew who kills goyim. All civilians of the enemy population ‘rodef,” or villains are therefore fair game for slaughtering.”??

    Interestingly, that’s a well-known interpretation in WN circles. It isn’t hard to justify that sort of reading of most of the OT.

    This kind of racism is far more evil than anything during Apartheid Africa.

    I’ve been telling people for years that Judaism is history’s pioneering work of racism, but nobody seems to find it worth discussing.

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  70. Mr. Bonomo’s thought experiment reveals the glaring hypocrisy and inner savagery of Israel’s defenders. In this hypothetical world the voices that in our reality praise Israel and damn the Palestinians would reverse themselves. People like Krauthammer would praise the courageous defiance of an oppressed people driven to acts such as firing missiles at their tormentors and call upon the world to intervene to stop a second Holocaust.

    Israel’s defenders don’t care about ethical principles or humanity. It’s all about primitive tribalism. Ubermenschen versus untermenschen. They are morally depraved.

    Maybe this is an example of why TPTB have tried their best to purge any form of critical thinking from our educational system – too dangerous. Flipping the “who” and “whom” around, or substituting historical examples for same, is one of the quickest, easiest, and most obvious ways of highlighting BS, but you’d think it was some kind of Hermetic rite given how often anyone seems capable of doing it any more.

    I support Israel entirely but this argument line is bullshit.

    Probably because the line’s author doesn’t support Israel. Well, I guess I can’t fault him on that basis – all of the arguments supporting Israel are bullshit.

    Another question – what if AIPAC (that writes all those checks to US Congressman) stood for American Iranian Political Action Committee? or What if Wolfe Blitzer or Charles Krauthammer were of Lebanese ancestry? Or Bill Kristol ? Or Sheldon Adelson? What if the ridiculous Old Testament called the Caanites the “chosen people”?
    But; unfortunately, none of this exists – the only reality in America is the baloney put out by the above commentators (e.g. Yitzhak, Rolf or LA Dude) who are desperate to convince others that the evil that Israel does is somehow justified. Maybe they just need to convince themselves first.

    What if all the opposition Jews mount against white heathens (“gentiles”) having for themselves, anywhere in the universe, what Jews have for themselves in Israel, were turned against what Jews have for themselves in Israel (but deny to white “gentiles”) instead?

    What if as much time, money, and effort as Jews pour into advocacy for open borders and multiculturalism for white “gentile” countries and closed borders and monoculturalism for Israel were invested by “gentiles” toward advocacy for open borders and multiculturalism for Israel, and closed borders and monoculturalism for Western countries? How much wailing would Jews do then?

    What if white “gentiles” started pouring money and time into Israeli academia to make it as hostile to Jews as Jews have poured into American academia to make it hostile to white “gentiles”?

    Do I care more about Israels atrocities than I do Boko Haram, ISIS, WWII … yes, because as an American taxpayer we are actively giving fucking Israel billions of dollars a year subsidizing their military actions and I don’t want to send you people money so you can use it to kill a bunch of kids. Plus your tiny little speck of a country has far too much influence in our government, far more than it should, but that’s another problem entirely.

    Not to mention that Jews adhere to the conceit that they are a white, western, civilized population (at the least; usually they think they’re a cut above), and not on par with the likes of sub-Saharan Africans, Arabs, Persians, and Nazis.

    I cannot square that image with an anti-semite for his having said a word which once applied to South Africa – “apartheid”.

    Try this:

    Jews are G-d’s Chosen People, South Africans were a lesser race, so treating the former with the same standards of the latter is a crime against G-d’s Choice, and thus, “anti-semitism.” Or you could just stick with the simpler formulation:

    Jews are G-d’s Chosen People, and opposing their interests is heresty, aka, “anti-semitism.”

    Something like that.

    It may be in a country of its invention, but it is actually wandering in the wilderness and will continue to do so until it actually returns to good ethics towards its fellow men.

    How can one “return” to a place one has never been?

    You see a lot of their ‘outrage’ expressed in the responses here – these people and usually pretty smart and probably don’t really believe what they are saying but at the same time they feel so uncomfortable if they don’t, somehow, show solidarity.

    Yes, it’s very easy for a person who likes to argue to champion a cause he doesn’t really believe in, solely out of a vague biographical attachment. I’ve been there myself, a sort of Angel’s Advocate role. I imagine it would be that much easier with the world’s only indisputable and non-revisable bit of tragic history in my corner.

    A country has a right to defend itself when some pissant neighbor decides to launch hundreds of missiles at it and infiltrate into said country via sophisticated underground tunnels to murder civilians.

    And when you deliberately put missile launchers in residential neighborhoods expect to see a lot of
    civilian dead when the other side retaliates.

    Yes, when some 9-year-old comes at me with a bottle rocket and hides behind his momma (human shield), I bombard his whole neighborhood with artillery shells, killing everyone, and I sleep well at night afterward. So what if I started the whole thing by beating his mother on a regular basis? I have a right to defend myself.

    It isn’t peace, it’s simply the demonization of Jews.

    No Palestinian ever called me racist (or “goy,” or “gentile,” or “Nazi”).

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  71. Goebbels would be proud of Bonomo and others like him.

    Try as Team Hasbara might, it’s pretty obvious who the Nazis and the Jews are in this scenario.

    Yeah, and imagine that blacks had taken over America, enslaved whites, and now whites were the ones with lower earnings and higher crime rates.

    Can’t imagine it? Of course not, because it’s impossible. If Arabs were able to organize things well enough to defeat Jews, they wouldn’t be Arabs. They’d be civilized people, and then maybe they’d be worth supporting.

    Lol, the only things you can imagine are the probable (you don’t seem to know what impossible even means) ones? Talk about an atrophied imagination. I’d try to make a stereotype out of that but given what I’ve seen of Hasbara, I have to admit that someone in the camp’s got a lively imagination.

    Aptly named Hasbara factotum says:

    What? You have never read history? Did anything ever happen anywhere when Jews were slaughtered and butchered? Can you point to a single time or place when anyone ever gave a crap?

    This is the thanks our ancestors get for hauling their fat out of the fire in WWII. That, and multiculturalism, relentless open-borders advocacy, subversion of our institutions, pollution of our culture, endless animus in media product, etc., etc., etc.

    I know of none. In fact you do not care about children dying anywhere. You did not care about the hutu and the tuzi (I believe that in your hearts you just said — well that is what niggers do) Or the tens of thousands that have died in the last years in Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc. etc. (Then your attitude was — well that is what rag heads do) And the only reason that you care now is that you hate Jews. If Jews were not involved you would be doing more important things, like watching TV, or Porn

    Which is why the News said NEVER AGAIN!! and meant it to the tune of 75 to 400 nuclear weapons, and the sampson option.

    Defending western civilization from what? Desert peasants with pitchforks? Kids with stones? Assholes with garage-made fertilizer bombs?

    No you idiot!!! From assholes who fly planes into buildings and kill 3000 people.

    Nothing angers a Jew like having his own behavior turned against him. That’s when he knows the jig is up.

    When is the last time a Jew blew up an American? All they do is pick our pockets.

    Lavon affairs .
    USS Liberty
    Rachel Cory
    Gaza Flotilla murder of American youth
    Bombing by Jewish Defense League in California
    There are more

    Palestine blowback was a substantial motive for the Twin Towers attacks, too.

    So, which is it? Is it:

    Well, firstoff, the 20 or so other Jewish states would give these 1.8 million of their co-ethnics asylum in their own countries, so that they don’t have to suffer under Arab rule.

    (Yes, I know there are not 20 literally Jewish states in the west, but, close enough)

    Or is it:

    What? You have never read history? Did anything ever happen anywhere when Jews were slaughtered and butchered? Can you point to a single time or place when anyone ever gave a crap? I know of none.

    Team Hasbara needs to huddle up and figure out the play. The basic rule (Jews know this one very well, so maybe one of you is a goyische kopf) is that you can and should suit your arguments to your audience, up to and very much including totally contradicting yourself between audiences, but you never switch it up in front of the same audience. Discuss.

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  72. Israel’s enemies lauched a war of anhilation in 1948.

    No, they didn’t. Israeli forces outnumbered Arab forces (which were but a fraction of those available) deployed.

    Israel’s enemies sided with the Nazis and helped them try to kill off all the jews. That is a war crime.

    Right. That’s why Iranian Jews routinely travel back and forth between Iran and southern California.

    Israel’s enemis persecuted and expelled their jewish populations that is why there are no jews in arab lands any more.

    Right. That’s why Iranian Jews routinely travel back and forth between Iran and southern California.

    Jews have no chance in mulsim nations.

    Right. That’s why Iranian Jews routinely travel back and forth between Iran and southern California.

    To the gallery: remember that statement I made about audiences and arguments above? In another venue, somewhere, right now a Jew is shaming white “gentiles” about the long history of progroms and persecution unique to Western Christendom, in stark contrast to the long and, until recently unbroken history of peace and respect enjoyed by Jewish populations in the Muslim world. I know from personal experience that Jews deploy this argument (they like to blame ANTI-SEMITISM!!! on Christianity).

    After approximately 30 days of war and about 1950 dead we can do a calculation. 195o divided by 30 equals 65 killed per day. With approximately 1, 950,000 people living in Gaza, it would take almost 30,000 days to commit genocide against the people of Gaza. That is 82 years. We can now declare the Israeli genocide actions to be the most inefficient in history. Genocide has a specific scientific and legal meaning. The word should not be used without sufficient scientific proof that is what is actually being done. What ISIS is doing in Iraq might meet the definition of genocide, but not what the Israeli government has done in Gaza.

    Out of one side of its mouth, Team Hasbara says that we’re blaming the Jews for “winning” when we point out the casualty ratios. Out of the other, it says “Jewish ‘genocide’ of Palestinians is most inefficient in history.”

    Fine, we I won’t use “genocide.” I prefer “holocaust” anyway.

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  73. Hamas could significantly improve the situation in Gaza within 1 day. Change the Hamas charter to one that does not call for the killing of all Jewish residents of Israel and the taking over of Israel. Eliminate all talk of takig over the lands Israel was allocated in the 1947 UN partition plan.

    This sounds like an admission that Jews are butchers. Hey, I can sympathize: when some 9-year-old calls for my death, talks of taking over my property, and hides behind his momma (human shield), I bombard his whole neighborhood with artillery shells, killing everyone, and I sleep well at night afterward. So what if I started the whole thing by beating his mother on a regular basis? I have a right to defend myself.

    Robert – The population of Gaza has a growth rate of 3.4%. How do you explain this? Certainly Gaza is no paradise, but the attempted parallelism with Nazi ghettos and concentration camps does not work at all here given Gaza’s population growth rate, free exercise of religion, political autonomy, Israeli provision of electricity and food, the UN’s assistance and presence, foreign financial aid, etc., etc. Perhaps the blockade is related to the Islamist group called Hamas being the official government of Gaza…? (As a reminder, the US government has officially designated them as a terrorist organization.)

    Congrats on creating a sliver of daylight between Jews and Nazis. You must be proud.

    Regarding the impulse to “fight back,” you must implicitly believe Muslim Arabs to be animals if you excuse them for “resistance” that includes suicide bombing, targeting civilians, and the use of human shields (i.e. sacrificing their own non-combatants as a fighting tactic). It is hard to imagine other populations, under any circumstances, demonstrating such utterly nihilistic behavior, much less being given a pass for it. How about the slaves in the antebellum South, European Jews in WW2, South African blacks under the Afrikaners, Native Americans, etc., etc.)? Different values, I guess. (Hint: look up the term ‘Dar al-Harb’ — regions of warfare, according to Islam.)

    The guy that got hung up on minor differences between Jews in Nazi Germany and Palestinians in Gaza forgot that they didn’t have Semtex in the antebellum south. Quibbles aside, maybe Jews in Germany, blacks under slavery or Apartheid or segregation, Native Americans in America, etc., just had it better than Palestinians in Gaza? Horses for courses.

    Do Muslims in the Middle East have no moral agency or culpability for their misery and the havoc they wreak on others and on themselves?

    I always ask the same questions of American Jews on Team Black, Brown, and 3rd World, but I never get a good answer.

    Since you ducked my question elsewhere, I will repeat: where is your outrage over the Muslim-on-Muslim slaughters in the Middle East?

    So, when you duck the issue of the Israeli Nazi regime and change the subject, and no one answers, it’s someone else who’s “ducking”?

    To date, approximately 180,000 Arabs have died in the current Syrian Civil War alone — this dramatically eclipses the loss of life in Gaza. If your key interest is the well-being of those living in the Middle East, why have you spilled a hugely disproportionate amount of digital ink on the war in Gaza?

    Sort of like how American Jewry obsesses about racism in white “gentiles” but ignores the much more profound and disastrous Jewish racism in Israel (and the Jewish racism in America that enables it), the much more salient racism found throughout the non-white-”gentile” world, etc.

    But reciprocity is ANTI-SEMITISM, of course.

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  74. “A newly published US national security document shows that the National Security Agency (NSA) in 2007 singled out Israel as a top spying threat to the United States.

    The document, obtained by US surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden, also identified Israel as a “leading threat” to the infrastructure of American financial and banking institutions, The Intercept reported this week.”
    Jeff Steinberg Sr . Editor EIR

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/07/374430/usisraeli-split-is-real/

    Yes Israel is protecting the West ,saving the Americans ! America is so stupid that it has to be done continuously behind their back against their wishes .

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  75. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KXi3Z3Szn5I

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeqXQPW7TM

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4qVixbW_dTw

    The children of Israel .

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  76. If Israel was launching rockets from schools, then Israel would be responsible for turning their schools into military targets.

    If Japan in WW2 had placed schools on their aircraft carriers, that would not mean that the US could no longer attack Japanese aircraft carriers. The Japanese would be responsible for any school deaths, not the Americans.

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  77. If Israel was launching rockets from schools, killing no one, then Israel would be responsible for turning their schools into military targets, and would deserve to be slaughtered by the thousands.

    FIFY.

    Just saw the headline @ Drudge saying Mexican drug cartels are using immigrant “kids” as shields. Huzzah! Now we’re justified in shelling them at the border.

    If Japan in WW2 had placed schools on their aircraft carriers, that would not mean that the US could no longer attack Japanese aircraft carriers. The Japanese would be responsible for any school deaths, not the Americans.

    No, we’d still be responsible for the deaths, but (contra Israel and the Pals) we’d have just cause.

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  78. We should always fight for human rights. But where you and I disagree is how much irresponsible people should be able to burden responsible people. It’s like Disney’s 1934 The Grasshopper and the Ants. That cartoon couldn’t be made today.

    Decades ago, we should have taken a clue from Israel and built a wall on our southern border. People who want to come here should do it legally.

    This is what results from cultural marxism (the belief that irresponsible people with less power are always right, and deserve to take everything from responsible people).

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  79. If we built a[n apartheid] wall on our southern border, then wouldn’t Mexico be justified in launching rockets at us?

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  80. Good question, Dave. But it raises more questions.

    Blacks in Missouri are chanting “kill the police.” This is a pretty common sentiment in black communities. But haven’t the Jews have informed us that bombarding their neighborhoods with artillery fire and killing them by the thousand is not only justified, but necessary? We have the right to defend ourselves.

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  81. What if the children dying in Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki … were Palestinian?

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  82. The Zionist/Neo-Bolshevik Holocaust Has Already Begun | AntiTerrorAtheist
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  83. I should amend my previous comment. Now it’s being reported that the blacks in Missouri have formed mobs and looted stores. They’ve thrown rocks, bottles, and debris at people.

    So, it’s definitely time to bombard them with artillery fire and slaughter them by the thousand, according to Zionist logic.

    But, I think we can be much more ambitious. If we just wall all the blacks off in Bantustans, start beating them, shooting them occasionally, shelling the odd house here and there, putting them into an economic stranglehold, etc., they’ll be acting like the Palestinians in no time. Killing cops, digging tunnels, using human shields, suicide bombings, etc. YT might have to import the rocket batteries for him, but nobody’s perfect.

    Then we’ll really have an excuse to slaughter them. Each death will be a terrible tragedy, of course, but the black leadership will be to blame, not whites.

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  84. Hmm, they’re burning down Qwik-e-Marts and Taco Bells now, too.

    American Jews have their work cut out, here. First they have to condemn the police in Missouri, blame it all on whitey, and then call on whitey to accede to all black demands. Then they have to take showers, change clothes, and praise the IDF, blame it all on the Palestinians, call for the Palestinians to accede to all Jewish demands. Whew! That’s a lot of hypocrisy in one day. Maybe they can skip the shower and change of clothes and just swap out ties, or something.

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    Svigor,

    I can’t tell if you’re for or against cultural marxism.

    Somebody whose position was based on principles would oppose both Palestinian and African-American riots.

    Riots are not a path to prosperity.

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  86. I assure you that if vibrant New Orleanians started firing rockets into Covington, the ensuing reaction would make Gaza look like a Chuck-E-Cheese.

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  88. I believe your post starts with a lie. Since you are clearly an Israeli citizen, I’m sure you love your country just as any other Nazi does

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  89. Svigor,

    I can’t tell if you’re for or against cultural marxism.

    Somebody whose position was based on principles would oppose both Palestinian and African-American riots.

    Riots are not a path to prosperity.

    So, you’re saying Jews, in the aggregate, lack principle?

    I assure you that if vibrant New Orleanians started firing rockets into Covington, the ensuing reaction would make Gaza look like a Chuck-E-Cheese.

    Yes, yes, do assure me about those hypotheticals. We’ll never find out, since our gov’t gives in at the first opportunity, never daring to crack down on blacks hard enough to drive them to real desperation. What’d the gov’t do about the LA riots, again?

    The blacks in Missouri are throwing rocks on highways and mobbing shopping malls, now. They shoot Gazans for that kind of behavior.

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  90. Sorry, did I say rocks? I meant bricks.

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  91. According to gatewaypundit.com:

    ** QuickTrip
    ** Walmart
    ** Kmart
    ** County Shoe Carnival
    ** Foot Locker
    ** PNC Bank
    ** Hibbetts Sports
    ** Beauty Supply and Wig Store
    ** Family Dollar
    ** Boost Mobile
    ** DTLR
    ** Taco Bell
    ** Remy Beauty Supply
    ** Cricket Wireless
    ** Phillips 66
    ** Energy Express
    ** Pawn Shop
    ** Target
    ** JC Wireless
    ** Firestone
    ** Dollar General
    ** Up N Up Fashion
    ** Several Burglaries
    ** T-Mobile
    ** Second QuikTrip
    ** Shoe Carnival in South St. Louis City
    Have all been hit by looters

    Zionists and pro-Israel advocates here have admitted that the Gaza rocket attacks are “economic warfare,” (they’ve only caused about 20 deaths since the beginning of time, from what I understand) but still maintain that Jews retaliating by bombarding civilian centers with artillery fire, killing thousands of Arabs, are both necessary and justified.

    It sounds a lot to me like artillery bombardments of black neighborhoods in Ferguson, Missouri, killing blacks indiscriminately, are both necessary and justified, according to Zionist or pro-Israel logic. They’re hiding the terrorists within their populations, which means the terrorists are using human shields, another tactic that Zionists and pro-Israel advocates insist both necessitate and justify artillery bombardments of culprit civilian areas resulting in heavy death tolls. The deaths will be a tragedy, but a necessary one, and the black terrorists will be to blame, not the white soldiers.

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  92. Guys guys guys. The lesson of the Holocaust isn’t “never again”; it’s “never again to the Jews”.

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  93. Is war a path to prosperity ? Bush thinks so. So does a few neocons

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  94. For a long long time I utterly discounted the idea that there was some racial/ethnic superiority component or quotient at work in Israeli society contributing to what it was doing.

    Yes, that is, as someone here has quoted, you can find even very very popular rabbis and others (even American rabbis!) saying the “chosen” stuff like everyone but jews are just cattle to serve jews, or that a million non-jews are not worth one jewish fingernail, but the idea that this sort of belief really animated to any significant extent the Israeli public I discounted as ridiculous.

    Until two things:

    One was reading a quote from Elie Wiesel—who cannot by the largest stretch of the imagination be thought to be a religious zealot and certain can be understood to be one who chooses his words very carefully and precisely—make the statement that “Jews are *ontologically* different” from non-jews.

    *Ontologically.* I.e., not different due, say, to what Nazism or whatever-ism has done to their culture or their character or etc., but *ontologically.* The very *nature* of their being from everyone else on the planet is allegedly different.

    Gobsmacking.

    And then I did some reading about how the Israelis have and are treating the Beduin.

    That is, vis a vis the Palestinians … and so many other arabs, the Israelis would always seem to at least have some claim on your understanding saying “we feel this way because of the way the Palestinians (and/or Egyptians and/or Iranians and/or whoever) have treated us, or what they tried to do back in ’48 or whenever.

    But *none* of that applies to the Beduin, and yet what does one see as regards those poor people and how Israel treats them? (Despicably, that is.)

    From what I understand the Beduin have never lifted any significant hand against jews or the Israelis, and yet they get bulldozed around like pieces of unwanted garbage? With the most obvious indifference to their fate from the Israeli government? Just running bulldozers in to raze their homes and leaving weeping homeless families standing there, without a scrap of shelter for the night?

    Israel is giving judaism a very bad name it seems to me. A very very bad name. Someone needs to rescue that.

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  95. You seem to be commenting from a distance, and it’s always easy that way. You are full of bias and prejudice and seems you have the luxury to lay back on your couch, have a smoke and pass judgment when in fact you don’t have a clue.
    Pointing guns to civilians, women and children is common in the democratic state of Israel, so is the case with unleashing dogs their way, humiliating them for stopping on borders and getting their food, ambulances etc across.
    Who told you we don’t care about the crimes of ISIS, Boko Haram, crimes in Burma, Iraq, Syria, Tibet, Abu Ghreib, Guantanamo, and the list goes on and on and on, who told you two lives are weighed differently?
    suicide attacks of 2000 are the easy way out, and in the end if this and the IDF crimes are to be compared, the suicide bomber actually dies, where the controller of a drone enjoys an air conditioned room and targets a child knowing that it’s a child.
    You know why the Arab stand is firm against Israel, it’s because the enemy is well known, because occupation continued for 65 years and because humiliation never stopped since.
    I don’t justify the killing of the innocent, but naturally I expect long time abuse to result in some kind of emotional deficiency.

    Please find the links below among many other ones:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Dawayima_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilabun_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_Qasim_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Yunis_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-commits-massacre-jenin-refugee-camp/3694

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  97. Israel obtained arms from the Pentagon without the knowledge of the White House or State Department, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

    The newspaper reports that this marks one in “a string of slights and arguments that have bubbled behind the scenes during the Gaza conflict” between the two nations, citing U.S., Israeli and Palestinian officials.

    The arms in question came as a result of a July 20 request from Israel to the U.S. military for $3 million in tank rounds. That request was approved days later by the US military, which defense officials describe as proper procedure, the paper reported.

    The Journal reports one unnamed U.S. diplomat as saying, “We were blindslided” upon learning of the arms supply on July 30, the same day as an Israeli strike hit a United Nations school in Jabaliya.

    Further weapons transfers in this context needed approval by policy makers in the White House and State Department, the paper cites U.S. officials as saying. The Journal cites an an unnamed senior administration official as saying this amounted to the administration saying, “Wait a second…It’s not OK anymore.”

    This point speaks to what author and scholar Norman Finkelstein told Democracy Now! earlier this month. He said that Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

    … launched the ground invasion for reasons which—no point in going into now—and inflicted massive death and destruction on Gaza, where the main enabler was, of course, President Obama. Each day he came out, he or one of his spokespersons, and said, “Israel has the right to defend itself.” Each time he said that, it was the green light to Israel that it can continue with its terror bombing of Gaza. That went on for day after day after day, schools, mosques, hospitals targeted. But then you reached a limit. The limit was when Israel started to target the U.N. shelters—targeted one shelter, there was outrage; targeted a second shelter, there was outrage. And now the pressure began to build up in the United Nations. This is a United Nations—these are U.N. shelters. And the pressure began to build up. It reached a boiling point with the third shelter. And then Ban Ki-moon, the comatose secretary-general of the United Nations and a U.S. puppet, even he was finally forced to say something, saying these are criminal acts. Obama was now cornered. He was looking ridiculous in the world. It was a scandal. Even the U.N. secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, was now calling it a criminal act. So finally Obama, the State Department said “unacceptable,” “deplorable.”

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/08/14/israel-obtained-us-arms-without-white-house-state-department-ok-wsj

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  98. Are you still on your anti-black kick? Where you have to turn everyone’s
    blog post into your own little paranoid “Two Minutes of Hate”? You can’t
    even keep your bogus propaganda straight between posts on different sites.
    Was the Taco Bell burned down as you ay here, or had windows smashed?
    Which is it? Don’t you at least try to make your propaganda consistent across
    websites?

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  99. Obviously, there would be no hudna.

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  100. The real question is who cares if Jews are killing Palestinians in Gaza? Given that Palestinians have cheered the attacks of 9/11, I say “Thank you” to the Jews for killing Palestinians and their children. Turnabout is fair play.

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  101. If you vote for a government that campaigns on promises to lead you into a war you can’t win, and to get your children slaughtered for PR purposes, does that make you a war criminal?

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  102. I challenge you to show me an operating Christian church in Gaza in 2014.

    Really quite sad, because the original INDIGENOUS people of Gaza were the Coptic-speaking Christians. They were genocided by a colonialist invasion of Muslim Arabic-speakers from Arabia.

    and that is a simple fact of history.

    And…..?

    Shall we presume your meaning to be “Therefore, based on historical analysis and an absolute requirement that history should and must be replicated wherever possible, the Israelis should commit genocide against Gaza and the West Bank.”

    Right?

    Clear as a bell.

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  103. >> the Israelis should commit genocide against Gaza and the West Bank

    na…. it means that nobody except Coptic-speakers have the moral right to maintain an independent national jurisdiction in Gaza.

    I guess you’re just ok with the suppression of self-determination for Copts, Berbers, – and of course…. Hebrews.

    Arabic jurisdiction in Gaza, in Judea and Samaria… is fated to go where Arabic jurisdiction in “Al Andalus” went….. back where it came from: Arabia.

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  106. I researched your “bare minimum of calories” trope and it turned out to be nonsense. In fact, they’re getting more calories than my doctor recommends I eat.

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  107. I researched your “bare minimum of calories” trope and it turned out to be nonsense. In fact, they’re getting more calories than my doctor recommends I eat.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/2-279-calories-per-person-how-israel-made-sure-gaza-didn-t-starve.premium-1.470419

    Yup, 2279 calories per each per day should be enough. Of course, if the official population estimate is not quite the actual population, things might thin out a bit. But, oh yeah, fer sher, how veddy veddy veddy civilized of Israel.

    Jesus H. Christ, you calumnious caltrop, where in the HELL does Israel get to the right to decide how many calories are allotted to ANYBODY, ANYWHERE?

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  109. “…where in the HELL does Israel get to the right to decide how many calories are allotted to ANYBODY, ANYWHERE?”

    Well I suppose it’s based on the fact that they’re the ones feeding them. The calorie count is to insure that they’re getting enough; precisely the opposite of how said count was presented in the article.

    When the Israelis left Gaza, the Palestinians dismantled the food production facilities left behind. Nose, spite, face.

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  110. When organized Jewry in the West begins to defend the US and Europe against non-White immigration/invasions, I’ll believe you and give a damn about Israel. Until then, not so much.

    Do you really think we’re that stupid?

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  111. If they were Jewish children?

    It wouldn’t be Jewish children because they have parents who are smart enough to take their children to shelter after reading “WE WILL BOMB HERE” flyers dropped prior to bombs falling.

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  112. Slam dunk by the author. What if, indeed! But look at all the Mossad-funded Hillel students spamming this blog with their oh-poor wittle Is-rye-ell nonsense.

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  113. The strawmen are thick in this “article”. More anti-Semitism defined.

    The real question is what would happen to Gaza should they stop firing rockets into Israel? Lay down their arms? Would Israel continue the offensive? Or would it be like before the 1st Intifada with Palestinians working everyday in Israel and an open border?

    Hmm? Try that gedanken work.

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  114. The Israeli soldier is aiming his rifle neither at the mother nor at the children in that photo. The gun is clearly pointed past both. The only reason the gun is up at all is because the soldier is wary that the mother might be a bomb-mom a la the Tsarnaev gals. How stupid do you think your readers are that they can’t tell where a gun is pointing in a photo?

    The fact that children have gotten killed in Gaza is almost entirely due to their cynical use by Hamas as propaganda especially appealing to the sentimental Western left in general and the anti-Semitic paleocons in America (left meets right!).

    Let’s talk about stolen land. Palestine was a part of the Byzantine Empire and was nearly wholly Christian (except for a significant Jewish population in Galilee and elsewhere) until the Muslim Arabs swept through during the early seventh century. The immediate and continuing aim of the series of Islamic regimes was to destroy Christian civilization in the Holy Land (the deliberate destruction of all Christian monuments) and to drive Christians either into extinction or assimilation via conversion encouraged by confiscatory taxes and other forms of discrimination. The Islamic drive to exterminate the remaining Christian cultures in the Holy Land continues to this day.

    The Israelis are standing up against history’s only successful totalitarian culture: Islam. Wherever Muslims rule, there has been the complete obliteration of the civilizations that went before. Where, today, are Babylon, Ctesiphon, Carthage, Constantinople, and even Alexandria? It’s disgusting that paleocons, who claim to honor tradition, actually support tradition’s annihilation.

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  115. Israel is deliberately slaughtering children in Gaza and trying, and failing, to blame it on Hamas firing totally ineffective rockets “toward” Israel and “at” Israel, none of which have caused any damage or death in Israel. The only jews killed by Hamas rockets and mortars were three jews camped out illegally on Palestinian land, a fate they deserved for attempting to steal land that belongs to the Palestinians. This criminal assault by Israel is not a war, it is instead the intentional murder of unarmed and helpless civilians trapped in Gaza by the Israeli blockade. Israel and it’s murderous leaders like Nastyahu need to be hauled kicking and screaming before the ICC and charged with genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crimes. I have DEMANDED that my representative in congress end all financial and military assistance to Israel or face removal from office. My extended family, friends and associates all agree that America should cut all ties with Israel and join the international community of civilized nations in condemning Israel, imposing an arms embargo on Israel, demand that Israel surrender it’s nuclear arsenal, seize Israeli assets worldwide to compensate the Palestinians and immediately arrest Nastyahu the moment he steps outside of Israel. As an apartheid state, Israel should be dissolved and all the jews in Israel shipped back to where they came from in Europe. Unfortunately, Europe would not want these jews, nor would any other nation on the planet, so let them wander around on leaky boats in the middle of the ocean until they starve or resort to cannibalizing each other, a fate they deserve.

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  116. Probably the same place Michele Obama gets the right to tell our children how many calories they may consume at lunch. A 6’4″ teenage boy is given the same number of calories as a petite 4’11″ girl.

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  117. “What if the children dying in Gaza were Jews” is a good question. But I’d also ask, what if Jews hijacked airliners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson’s_Field_hijackings)? What if Jews lost a war and continued fighting, out of uniform, taking aim at civilians in restaurants, buses, stores, airports? What if Jews took over southern Lebanon, terrorizing the local population, to use it a springboard for further attacks? What if Jews had been on the United Nations’ dole for the last 66 years and still not gotten their act together? What if the Jews had 20 independent countries to themselves, but insisted on destroying the world’s one Arab country? What if…?

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  118. What if the children dying in Gaza had parents who weren’t willing to sacrifice them to Hamas’s PR campaign? Now wouldn’t that be something.

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  119. I’m loving @TR’s hilarious parody of Unz Review anti-Semitism.

    But he forgot the part about using the blood of dead Gazan children to make matzoh.

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  120. Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians, together as the one same population, represent modern “descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times”, religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.

    Before Jewish immigration was financially encouraged by Jewish agency, Jews made 1.7% of population in Palestine. Non-Jewish percentage was 98.3 %

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/israel_palestine_pop.html

    One crystal clear and easily provable fact is that the Palestinians occupied most of what is now claimed as Israel. How could it be that the “bad guys” have steadily lost their homes and will surely lose them all, along with many of their lives!
    ron, an American

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  121. Israel is defending Western Civilization? Ha! Israel cares only for itself.

    If the native people of Palestine were Christian (and many were) or European, non-Jewish Americans (and some who have been murdered by Israelis have been) the Zionist Jews from Europe who created Israel would have expelled them or killed these gentiles without a second thought. Why? They’re not Jewish.

    Either you IN the exclusive Jewish club or you’re not.

    Israel’s ‘special relationship’ with America is all about what our powerful and wealthy nation can do for international Zionism. That’s all that’s ‘special’ about this concocted alliance. America gets nothing from this fake love affair. It’s an arranged marriage with a rabbi officiating and Zionist lobbyists passing out money.

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  122. 2,279 calories is not enough when you are doing manual labor all day. Especially not when you are denied the machinery that could help you.

    But the Zionists will lie blatantly about everything – pretend that they “researched” the number of calories and it was false, and if faced with clear evidence they will pretend that it is a perfectly fine number anyway. They count on normal people thinking that no one would lie so often and so blatantly as they do.

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  123. You Zionist lovers are so predictable. When the facts speak against you, as they always do, you ridicule and demonize. “Anti-Semitism!”

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  124. You Zionists are so predictable. When the facts speak against you, as they always do, you ridicule and demonize. “Anti-Semitism!” And you hide behind American-sounding names, and in this case a female name, to sound like “just an average American”.

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  125. “Hamas’s PR campaign”? Zionists like you are really filth. Palestinians are murdered in the thousands by the Israelis, and you blame who? The Palestinian government. Pretending that they want their people to be killed. Sick freak. Palestinians join Hamas knowing many of them will be murdered, they sacrifice their lives to protect others. Unlike Zionists who know they can feed well off the American people’s money.

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  126. “The fact that children have gotten killed in Gaza is almost entirely due to their cynical use by Hamas as propaganda ”

    The Israeli military has bombed Palestinian schools. An Israeli gunboat murdered children playing on the beach. Israeli soldiers have fired at children playing in a school yard. The few Israeli soldiers with a conscience have told peace activists of how their sergeants on patrol beat up and sometimes shoot Palestinians at random to provoke them.

    In the last Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Zionist soldiers invaded homes and murdered the families there. In one case the soldiers gathered the children in a home and told the mother to choose “which of her children shall die for Israel”.

    But you pretend it’s the PALESTINIANS’ fault that they are murdered. “Charlotte Allen” who is obviously not a woman, so stop lying with a name. And obviously a Zionist, not an American, so stop lying by using a Western name.

    By your logic, if Israelis would be killed by Hamas, the Israeli occupation government would have orchestrated the killing to use for propaganda. Right? No? What’s the difference?

    And in fact, the Israelis use Hamas’ home-made rockets, which have hurt almost no one, as propaganda in the pro-Zionist media all over the world. While these rags “forget” to show the murder of many thousands of Palestinians. So who is doing the propaganda?

    Most Americans don’t even know that the Gaza Strip is cut up by Jew-only roads, with Palestinians forced to cross daily at checkpoints that deliberately hold them up. In one case a woman was forced to give birth by the road because the Israelis refused to let her cross the road to the hospital on the other side. But Americans are prevented from knowing all this. So who is doing the propaganda?

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  127. “anti-Semitism!” cries “R Daneel”. Coincidentally using a name from books by Isaac Asimov, a Jew. So why don’t you identify yourself as a Jew before you spew your anti-White rhetoric? “Anti-Semitism” is a word used to make Whites feel guilt and shame, pushed by Zionists. Funny how you Zionists never reveal who you are in forum threads. You want readers to believe that you are just another American.

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  128. You should be ashamed of the ignorance you display by making this remark. If you had any knowledge whatsoever of the situation, you would know that helpless Palestinians had their land stolen out from under their very feet in order to create “Israel”, a quasi-nation that exists only because of massive infusions of U.S. taxpayer dollars. Or was the holocaust somehow THEIR “fault” now? The Palestinians are forced to live under brutal military law courtesy of a made-up country in what has been their own land for centuries!
    Soooooooooo, the Palestinians have been fighting to gain back a PORTION of the land that the UN STOLE from them (they weren’t ask if they wished for any choice in the matter) and somehow they “deserve” the Israelis, the most psychopathic group of people ever to inhabit this earth?
    The Irish fought the British for hundreds of years until they regained A PORTION of their occupied land. You wanna bitch about the Irish, too? How about the South Africans?
    Don’t comment when you know nothing about which you speak of; it’ll save you from appearing a fool.

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  129. What if the Jews received $3-plus billion annually of MY taxpayer dollars?
    Oh wait….they DO.

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  130. You’re hysterical.
    You ARE aware, are you not, that the Psycho-raelis bombed UN shelters in which Palestinians took cover on several occasions?

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  131. Heyyyyy, S***-for-Brains, are you still pissing and moaning about those greenhouses?
    Why would the Palestinians want reminders of occupation contaminating their land? And oh, BTW: as an individual who has worked in the horticulture field her entire adult life, I can ASSURE you that greenhouses are far from a necessity in a climate such as Gaza’s. Not that you’d know a carnation from a pomegranate.

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  132. Wouldn’t it be “something” if ugly little Jewish girls didn’t write hate messages on outgoing munitions?

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  133. Wow…just wow.
    You really need to google the “high fivers”, and stop ignorantly accepting the drivel the USG feeds you.
    Too lazy to think for yourself though, I suppose.

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  134. As I’ve previously emphasized to other commenters, it’s much preferable to group several small comments together into one or two longer and more substantive ones, since the former tend to clutter up comment threads.

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  135. “Why would the Palestinians want reminders of occupation contaminating their land?”

    Well, I suppose that, like other people, they need to eat could be one reason.

    You ladies seem to be having tremendous difficulty controlling your emotions. I am, by the way, agnostic.

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    Oh my heavens! There is nothing “evil” about this “racism”. It is a matter of survival.

    You need to stop listeningto American Jews and start behaving like Israeli Jews. Don’t bother shaming American Jews, or pointing out the inconsistencies in Israeli Jewish behavior and American Jewish moralizing. Who cares? They don’t! Your race guilt improves the probability they will survive, thrive, and pass on their genes to their children. There is no shame in that. There IS shame in acting like a chump and a loser, being invaded and controlled by aliens and by going extinct. You don’t see the Jews doing that in THEIR homeland, do you? So why are you doing it in YOUR homeland?

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  137. Point taken Ron :)

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  138. Any criticism of Israel and it’s policies brings the inevitable charge of antisemitism .My answer to that is “so what?” Israel is the original terrorist state starting with the Irgun murders and the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946 during the Mandate period and continuing right up to the present .The mass murderers Menachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre in 1948 instead of being hung for their crimes against humanity were both to end up as Israeli Prime ministers. While not a murmur about their crimes was heard.When in 1985 Kurt Waldheim was running for president of Austria it made headlines around the world because he had been an officer in the Wehrmacht during WW2 when his country was at war. During the 6 day war the Israeli’s deliberately attacked a US warship the USS LIBERTY killing 34 Americans and returning to strafe the life boats. By the way don’t rely on the Wikipedia article about this incident it’s a it reads like an Israeli press release ,which it probably is. James Ennes jr. the watch officer on the bridge has written an account of the attack and coverup ‘Assault on the Liberty” available from Amazon . In 1973 Israel shot down a civilian air liner over the Sinai Peninsula killing 108 people but don’t trouble your selves they were all brown . IN 1983 there came the Sabra and Shatila massacres of Palestinian refugees (more brown people ) in Lebanon. In this case the Israeli’s used the Phalange Christian Militia as their proxies , much like the Nazis used the Ukrainians in WW2.this Crime occurred in the context of a much larger crime :the 1982 invasion of Lebanon arranged by war criminal and future Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon.The list goes on and on.If being against the policies a murderous racist state like Israel makes me an Anti-Semite I’m proud to be one.

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  139. Antisemitism is the highest form of patriotism.

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  140. @Tenet

    Love your comments–especially about the “Western” name I’m “hiding behind.”

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  141. December 12, 1954 a Syrian civilian airliner was forced to land at Lydda / Lod Airport, Israel, by the Israeli Air Force . That is when you’re not shooting them down :Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114.Southern Lebanon? The Jews have been scheming to take over southern Lebanon since the time of the criminal Ben Gurion . Terrorizing the local population ? The Sabra and Shatila massacre. UN dole ? You’ve been on the US tit for 66 years you hypocrite . World’s one Jewish country? More like a Generalgouvernement .And just as legitimate . Your grip is slipping “They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind”.

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  142. Nothing to say Abraham ?

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  143. You’re basic scenario is absurd. To correct it,
    it would be “what if Israel had lost in 1948 and
    eas reduced to a small sliver of land 11 miles long,
    surrounded by 22 Jewish countries filled with and
    ruled by Jews. Would the Jews refuse entry or aid
    to their fellow Jews?”

    The problem is that there was an exchange of
    refugees after a war. The Jews took care of each other.
    The Arabs hate each other. The more I see of Arabs,
    the more I understand why.

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  144. I hope the Unz Review declines to publish anything pro-Israel for three reasons.

    (1) Our mainstream media is already committed to feeding Americans pro-Israel propaganda each and every day, 24/7. This site is a small respite from continuous pro-Zionist programming that dominates US media and pollutes the American mind. And the Unz Review–though generally critical of Israel–is honest about Israel. This is rare and extremely important. Israel deserves negative commentary considering its deplorable actions. Just count the dead, the dispossessed, and the damaged. Israel gets to operate above the law. This privilege is a cancer on world order.

    (2) Our government is also committed to providing unconditional aid to Israel, even when this ‘aid’ brings genuine harm to America as well as wars and mayhem to millions more throughout the Middle East. Domestic Zionist pressures have produced this dangerous political distortion. And it’s been this way for decades.

    (3) Zionism is a malevolent political force in the world. Perhaps this will someday change. But after decades of a fake ‘peace process’, the Israelis are ethnically-cleansing Palestine of non-Jews. This is racism. Israel’s intermittent wars on the people of Gaza is nothing short of a criminal enterprise. Zionists also pushed for America’s annihilation of Iraq, the destruction of Libya, the pending war on Syria, and the economic strangulation of Iran. Zionism is an evil force. It desperately needs reform.

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  145. Zionism can no more be reformed than a rabid dog , there’s only one solution to both .

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  146. I agree that the Jews have been wholly hypocritical in their killing of large Numbers of civilians in the apartheid ghetto that they insist upon and manage, as well as their facilitation of Marxism throughout the west while they forever hold to ultra-right wing internal politics, but that soldiers gun is pointing to his left and not at the kids. If you fall for the illusion then you aren’t looking hard enough. Look at his feet. Now look at the gun. It’s pointing left.

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  147. We might call the abundance of pro-Israel journalism cartoonish. Articles that omit facts are pro-Israel, as are neutral articles. There are enough neutral articles. In reality, a neutral article is really not neutral since, by modern moral standard, the existence of an apartheid wall as well as mass civilian military induced casualties via precision weaponry attacks on residential structures is abhorrent and would be roundly condemned all-around if it was any other country that that owned by the privileged Jews. Comparing the Palestinian situation to apartheid South Africa is favorable to Jews, because the reality is that the situation is orders of magnitude worse. If Israel were any other country, there would be UN and/or USA military action against the perpetrators. Any article that doesn’t outright skewer Israel is favorable to Israel, which makes neutral articles actually decidedly biased in Israel’s favor.

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  148. The “hundreds of missiles” propaganda is just that, meant only to justify Israeli facilitated genocide of civilians. How many Israeli’s were killed from those “hundreds” of deadly missiles? I’ll be shocked if you make it out of the single digits, if you can name more than one.

    Those tunnels look an awful lot like the tunnels that the Jews dug out of the Warsaw ghetto. When the Germans maintain the ghetto, the tunnel dwellers are hailed as freedom fighters. When the Jews maintain the ghetto, the tunnel dwellers are labelled terrorists. I think that I can speak for the world when I state that the double standard of the Jewish narrative is out of gas.

    The Jews also have an agenda to promote. I’d also be interested to listen to what you think that the agenda of the “Bonomos of the West” is, other than the destruction of the apartheid wall and self-determination and safety for 4 million Palestinians. Do those goals conflict with the Jewish agenda?

    Yes, yes, the demonization of the Jews. Remind us how many Jewish civilians died in the last offensive, in comparison with Palestinian civilians?

    The Jew cries out as he strikes you…this maxim holds as true now as it ever did.

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  149. everything you say reeks of hypocrisy at least people like rolf are honest about their feelings. gaza is under seize simply because the gazans choose hamas in a democratic election instead of fatah who now are the muslim equivalent of jewish helpers at the ww2 death camps. so an entire populace is being slowly killed off through collective punishment children being shot and killed at for loitering close to a check post and weapons and tactics are being developed to be exported at the expense of slaughtering the palestinians at reguler interval and it is the palestenians fault for lobbing a few rockets that does little to no damage.
    gaza is the most densely populated piece of land in this face of the earth where almost every square inch of land is occupied where would you expect them to put the launchers on 7th dimentional plane dreamt up by the likes of you.
    atleast be honest of your absolute loyalty to the state of israel

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  150. “so an entire populace is being slowly killed off…”

    In fact, their numbers are rapidly increasing. Seems a lot of posters here can’t distinguish a “genocide” from a population explosion.

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  151. One side wants a cease fire. One side wants an extinction … and you know who each is.

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    “Is in the distance” one of the kids? And the soldier isn’t aiming his weapon. Have you ever fired a rifle?

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  153. What if Palestine had the guts to deal with Hamas themselves instead of allowing themselves to be used as human shields? Palestinians are cowards and are just as much to blame for the deaths of their children as Hamas and Israel. All Muslims are cowards. The world should completely eradicate Islam. Just imagine how great the world would be after.

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  154. @AnthonyW:
    You must be one of those Israeli-paid internet trolls –you obviously read/learned nothing from this article.
    1] “What if Palestine had the guts to deal with Hamas themselves instead of allowing themselves to be used as human shields?”
    Palestine DID “deal with” Hamas. They were the party freely elected. The reason they were popular is that they take a militant approach to dealing with Israel. Israel has not only reneged on every treaty with the Palestinian Authority government (like the Oslo Accords), they have violated the conditions of their UN membership –allowing the “right of return” of Palestinians displaced by the war in 1948.

    2] “Palestinians are cowards and are just as much to blame for the deaths of their children as Hamas and Israel.” Some Palestinians are part of Hamas, many are not. That is irrelevent. Claiming that victims of military bombardment are as guilty as the aggressors who have ALL the jets, ALL the assault helicopters, and ALL the armored vehicles is beyond belief!

    3] “All Muslims are cowards.” Glad you figured that out! Kids with rocks going up against soldiers with tanks are cowards. Got it. Thanks for the education.

    4] “The world should completely eradicate Islam. Just imagine how great the world would be after.”
    So. . . you’re in favor of the genocide of 20% or more of the world’s population? OK. Got it: now I understand the pro-Israel position! Thanks!

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  155. Push comes to shove, I value the lives of American children much more than I do non-American children. How about you?

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  156. Zionists don’t defend civilizations they destroy them.

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