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In the night of July 16-17, 1918, a squad of Bolshevik secret police murdered Russia’s last emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, along with his wife, Tsaritsa Alexandra, their 14-year-old son, Tsarevich Alexis, and their four daughters. They were cut down in a hail of gunfire in a half-cellar room of the house in Ekaterinburg, a city in the Ural mountain region, where they were being held prisoner. The daughters were finished off with bayonets. To prevent a cult for the dead Tsar, the bodies were carted away to the countryside and hastily buried in a secret grave.

Bolshevik authorities at first reported that the Romanov emperor had been shot after the discovery of a plot to liberate him. For some time the deaths of the Empress and the children were kept secret. Soviet historians claimed for many years that local Bolsheviks had acted on their own in carrying out the killings, and that Lenin, founder of the Soviet state, had nothing to do with the crime.

In 1990, Moscow playwright and historian Edvard Radzinsky announced the result of his detailed investigation into the murders. He unearthed the reminiscences of Lenin’s bodyguard, Alexei Akimov, who recounted how he personally delivered Lenin’s execution order to the telegraph office. The telegram was also signed by Soviet government chief Yakov Sverdlov. Akimov had saved the original telegraph tape as a record of the secret order.[1]Edvard Radzinksy, The Last Tsar (New York: Doubleday, 1992), pp. 327, 344-346.; Bill Keller, “Cult of the Last Czar,” The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.

Radzinsky’s research confirmed what earlier evidence had already indicated. Leon Trotsky — one of Lenin’s closest colleagues — had revealed years earlier that Lenin and Sverdlov had together made the decision to put the Tsar and his family to death. Recalling a conversation in 1918, Trotsky wrote:[2]From an April 1935 entry in “Trotsky’s Diary in Exile.” Quoted in: Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: Knopf, 1990), pp. 770, 787.; Robert K. Massie, Nicholas and Alexandra (New York: 1976), pp. 496-497.; E. Radzinksy, The Last Tsar (New York: Doubleday, 1992), pp. 325-326.; Ronald W. Clark, Lenin (New York: 1988), pp. 349-350.

My next visit to Moscow took place after the [temporary] fall of Ekaterinburg [to anti-Communist forces]. Speaking with Sverdlov, I asked in passing: “Oh yes, and where is the Tsar?”

“Finished,” he replied. “He has been shot.”

“And where is the family?”

“The family along with him.”

“All of them?,” I asked, apparently with a trace of surprise.

“All of them,” replied Sverdlov. “What about it?” He was waiting to see my reaction. I made no reply.

“And who made the decision?,” I asked.

“We decided it here. Ilyich [Lenin] believed that we shouldn’t leave the Whites a live banner to rally around, especially under the present difficult circumstances.”

I asked no further questions and considered the matter closed.

Recent research and investigation by Radzinsky and others also corroborates the account provided years earlier by Robert Wilton, correspondent of the London Times in Russia for 17 years. His account, The Last Days of the Romanovs – originally published in 1920, and reissued in 1993 by the Institute for Historical Review — is based in large part on the findings of a detailed investigation carried out in 1919 by Nikolai Sokolov under the authority of “White” (anti-Communist) leader Alexander Kolchak. Wilton’s book remains one of the most accurate and complete accounts of the murder of Russia’s imperial family.[3]On Wilton and his career in Russia, see: Phillip Knightley, The First Casualty (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1976), pp. 141-142, 144-146, 151-152, 159, 162, 169, and, Anthony Summers and Tom Mangold, The File on the Tsar(New York: Harper and Row, 1976), pp. 102-104, 176.

A solid understanding of history has long been the best guide to comprehending the present and anticipating the future. Accordingly, people are most interested in historical questions during times of crisis, when the future seems most uncertain. With the collapse of Communist rule in the Soviet Union, 1989-1991, and as Russians struggle to build a new order on the ruins of the old, historical issues have become very topical. For example, many ask: How did the Bolsheviks, a small movement guided by the teachings of German-Jewish social philosopher Karl Marx, succeed in taking control of Russia and imposing a cruel and despotic regime on its people?

In recent years, Jews around the world have been voicing anxious concern over the specter of anti-Semitism in the lands of the former Soviet Union. In this new and uncertain era, we are told, suppressed feelings of hatred and rage against Jews are once again being expressed. According to one public opinion survey conducted in 1991, for example, most Russians wanted all Jews to leave the country.[4]AP dispatch from Moscow, Toronto Star, Sept. 26, 1991, p. A2.; Similarly, a 1992 survey found that one-fourth of people in the republics of Belarus (White Russia) and Uzbekistan favored deporting all Jews to a special Jewish region in Russian Siberia. “Survey Finds Anti-Semitism on Rise in Ex-Soviet Lands,” Los Angeles Times, June 12, 1992, p. A4. But precisely why is anti-Jewish sentiment so widespread among the peoples of the former Soviet Union? Why do so many Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians and others blame “the Jews” for so much misfortune?

A Taboo Subject

Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country’s total population,[5]At the turn of the century, Jews made up 4.2 percent of the population of the Russian Empire. Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1990), p. 55 (fn.).
By comparison, in the United States today, Jews make up less than three percent of the total population (according to the most authoritative estimates).
they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and — as chairman of the Central Executive Committee — head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.[6]See individual entries in: H. Shukman, ed., The Blackwell Encyclopedia of the Russian Revolution (Oxford: 1988), and in: G. Wigoder, ed., Dictionary of Jewish Biography (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1991).
The prominent Jewish role in Russia’s pre-1914 revolutionary underground, and in the early Soviet regime, is likewise confirmed in: Stanley Rothman and S. Robert Lichter, Roots of Radicalism (New York: Oxford, 1982), pp. 92-94.
In 1918, the Bolshevik Party’s Central Committee had 15 members. German scholar Herman Fehst — citing published Soviet records — reported in his useful 1934 study that of six of these 15 were Jews. Herman Fehst, Bolschewismus und Judentum: Das jüdische Element in der Führerschaft des Bolschewismus (Berlin: 1934), pp. 68-72.; Robert Wilton, though, reported that in 1918 the Central Committee of the Bolshevik party had twelve members, of whom nine were of Jewish origin and three were of Russian ancestry. R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (IHR, 1993), p. 185.

Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.[7]After years of official suppression, this fact was acknowledged in 1991 in the Moscow weekly Ogonyok. See: Jewish Chronicle (London), July 16, 1991.; See also: Letter by L. Horwitz in The New York Times, Aug. 5, 1992, which cites information from the Russian journal “Native Land Archives.”; “Lenin’s Lineage?”‘Jewish,’ Claims Moscow News,” Forward (New York City), Feb. 28, 1992, pp. 1, 3.; M. Checinski, Jerusalem Post (weekly international edition), Jan. 26, 1991, p. 9.

A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own countrymen. “An intelligent Russian,” he once remarked, “is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish blood in his veins.”[8]Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: Knopf, 1990), p. 352.

Critical Meetings

In the Communist seizure of power in Russia, the Jewish role was probably critical.

Two weeks prior to the Bolshevik “October Revolution” of 1917, Lenin convened a top secret meeting in St. Petersburg (Petrograd) at which the key leaders of the Bolshevik party’s Central Committee made the fateful decision to seize power in a violent takeover. Of the twelve persons who took part in this decisive gathering, there were four Russians (including Lenin), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and six Jews.[9]Harrison E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia’s Revolutions, 1905-1917 (Doubleday, 1978), p. 475.; William H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution (Princeton Univ. Press, 1987), vol. 1, pp. 291-292.; Herman Fehst, Bolschewismus und Judentum: Das jüdische Element in der Führerschaft des Bolschewismus (Berlin: 1934), pp. 42-43.; P. N. Pospelov, ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography (Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp. 318-319.
This meeting was held on October 10 (old style, Julian calendar), and on October 23 (new style). The six Jews who took part were: Uritsky, Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Sverdlov and Soklonikov.
The Bolsheviks seized power in Petersburg on October 25 (old style) — hence the reference to the “Great October Revolution” — which is November 7 (new style).

To direct the takeover, a seven-man “Political Bureau” was chosen. It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev).[10]William H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution (1987), vol. 1, p. 292.; H. E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia’s Revolutions, 1905-1917 (1978), p. 475. Meanwhile, the Petersburg (Petrograd) Soviet — whose chairman was Trotsky — established an 18-member “Military Revolutionary Committee” to actually carry out the seizure of power. It included eight (or nine) Russians, one Ukrainian, one Pole, one Caucasian, and six Jews.[11]W. H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution, vol. 1, pp. 274, 299, 302, 306.; Alan Moorehead, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1965), pp. 235, 238, 242, 243, 245.; H. Fehst, Bolschewismus und Judentum (Berlin: 1934), pp. 44, 45. Finally, to supervise the organization of the uprising, the Bolshevik Central Committee established a five-man “Revolutionary Military Center” as the Party’s operations command. It consisted of one Russian (Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and two Jews (Sverdlov and Uritsky).[12]H. E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia’s Revolutions, 1905-1917 (1978), p. 479-480.; Dmitri Volkogonov, Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy (New York: Grove Weidenfeld, 1991), pp. 27-28, 32.; P. N. Pospelov, ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography (Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp. 319-320.

Contemporary Voices of Warning

Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a “worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality.” The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write:[13]“Zionism versus Bolshevism: A struggle for the soul of the Jewish people,” Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), February 8, 1920. Facsimile reprint in: William Grimstad, The Six Million Reconsidered (1979), p. 124. (At the time this essay was published, Churchill was serving as minister of war and air.)

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people.

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”[14]David R. Francis, Russia from the American Embassy (New York: 1921), p. 214.

The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: “Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”[15]Foreign Relations of the United States — 1918 — Russia, Vol. 1 (Washington, DC: 1931), pp. 678-679.

“The Bolshevik Revolution,” declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920, “was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct.”[16]American Hebrew (New York), Sept. 1920. Quoted in: Nathan Glazer and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Beyond the Melting Pot (Cambridge, Mass.: 1963), p. 268.

As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.[17]C. Jacobson, “Jews in the USSR” in: American Review on the Soviet Union, August 1945, p. 52.; Avtandil Rukhadze, Jews in the USSR: Figures, Facts, Comment (Moscow: Novosti, 1978), pp. 10-11. Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that “because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel.”[18]T. Emmons and B. M. Patenaude, eds., War, Revolution and Peace in Russia: The Passages of Frank Golder, 1913-1927 (Stanford: Hoover Institution, 1992), pp. 320, 139, 317.

Historians’ Views

Summing up the situation at that time, Israeli historian Louis Rapoport writes:[19]Louis Rapoport, Stalin’s War Against the Jews (New York: Free Press, 1990), pp. 30, 31, 37. See also pp. 43, 44, 45, 49, 50.

Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over their high representation in the new government. Lenin’s first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins.

Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists’ vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution — partly because of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.

The collective leadership that emerged in Lenin’s dying days was headed by the Jew Zinoviev, a loquacious, mean-spirited, curly-haired Adonis whose vanity knew no bounds.

“Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka,” wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, “stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator.”[20]Quoted in: Salo Baron, The Russian Jews Under Tsars and Soviets (New York: 1976), pp. 170, 392 (n. 4). In Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.[21]The Atlantic, Sept. 1991, p. 14.;
In 1919, three-quarters of the Cheka staff in Kiev were Jews, who were careful to spare fellow Jews. By order, the Cheka took few Jewish hostages. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 824.; Israeli historian Louis Rapoport also confirms the dominant role played by Jews in the Soviet secret police throughout the 1920s and 1930s. L. Rapoport, Stalin’s War Against the Jews (New York: 1990), pp. 30-31, 43-45, 49-50.
(Beginning as the Cheka, or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB.)

In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy, the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed Lenin’s execution order.[22]E. Radzinsky, The Last Tsar (1992), pp. 244, 303-304.; Bill Keller, “Cult of the Last Czar,” The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.; See also: W. H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution, vol. 2, p. 90.

Igor Shafarevich, a Russian mathematician of world stature, has sharply criticized the Jewish role in bringing down the Romanov monarchy and establishing Communist rule in his country. Shafarevich was a leading dissident during the final decades of Soviet rule. A prominent human rights activist, he was a founding member of the Committee on the Defense of Human Rights in the USSR.

In Russophobia, a book written ten years before the collapse of Communist rule, he noted that Jews were “amazingly” numerous among the personnel of the Bolshevik secret police. The characteristic Jewishness of the Bolshevik executioners, Shafarevich went on, is most conspicuous in the execution of Nicholas II:[23]Quoted in: The New Republic, Feb. 5, 1990, pp. 30 ff.; Because of the alleged anti-Semitism of Russophobia, in July 1992 Shafarevich was asked by the National Academy of Sciences (Washington, DC) to resign as an associate member of that prestigious body.

This ritual action symbolized the end of centuries of Russian history, so that it can be compared only to the execution of Charles I in England or Louis XVI in France. It would seem that representatives of an insignificant ethnic minority should keep as far as possible from this painful action, which would reverberate in all history. Yet what names do we meet? The execution was personally overseen by Yakov Yurovsky who shot the Tsar; the president of the local Soviet was Beloborodov (Vaisbart); the person responsible for the general administration in Ekaterinburg was Shaya Goloshchekin. To round out the picture, on the wall of the room where the execution took place was a distich from a poem by Heine (written in German) about King Balthazar, who offended Jehovah and was killed for the offense.

In his 1920 book, British veteran journalist Robert Wilton offered a similarly harsh assessment:[24]R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (1993), p. 148.

The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of alien invasion. The murder of the Tsar, deliberately planned by the Jew Sverdlov (who came to Russia as a paid agent of Germany) and carried out by the Jews Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov and Yurovsky, is the act not of the Russian people, but of this hostile invader.

In the struggle for power that followed Lenin’s death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders – including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly.

Put To Death Without Trial

For a few months after taking power, Bolshevik leaders considered bringing “Nicholas Romanov” before a “Revolutionary Tribunal” that would publicize his “crimes against the people” before sentencing him to death. Historical precedent existed for this. Two European monarchs had lost their lives as a consequence of revolutionary upheaval: England’s Charles I was beheaded in 1649, and France’s Louis XVI was guillotined in 1793.

In these cases, the king was put to death after a lengthy public trial, during which he was allowed to present arguments in his defense. Nicholas II, though, was neither charged nor tried. He was secretly put to death – along with his family and staff — in the dead of night, in an act that resembled more a gangster-style massacre than a formal execution.

Why did Lenin and Sverdlov abandon plans for a show trial of the former Tsar? In Wilton’s view, Nicholas and his family were murdered because the Bolshevik rulers knew quite well that they lacked genuine popular support, and rightly feared that the Russian people would never approve killing the Tsar, regardless of pretexts and legalistic formalities.

For his part, Trotsky defended the massacre as a useful and even necesssary measure. He wrote:[25]Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 787.; Robert K. Massie, Nicholas and Alexandra (New York: 1976), pp. 496-497.

The decision [to kill the imperial family] was not only expedient but necessary. The severity of this punishment showed everyone that we would continue to fight on mercilessly, stopping at nothing. The execution of the Tsar’s family was needed not only in order to frighten, horrify, and instill a sense of hopelessness in the enemy but also to shake up our own ranks, to show that there was no turning back, that ahead lay either total victory or total doom. This Lenin sensed well.

Historical Context

In the years leading up to the 1917 revolution, Jews were disproportionately represented in all of Russia’s subversive leftist parties.[26]An article in a 1907 issue of the respected American journal National Geographic reported on the revolutionary situation brewing in Russia in the years before the First World War: ” The revolutionary leaders nearly all belong to the Jewish race, and the most effective revolutionary agency is the Jewish Bund ” W. E. Curtis, “The Revolution in Russia,” The National Geographic Magazine, May 1907, pp. 313-314.
Piotr Stolypin, probably imperial Russia’s greatest statesman, was murdered in 1911 by a Jewish assassin. In 1907, Jews made up about ten percent of Bolshevik party membership. In the Menshevik party, another faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party, the Jewish proportion was twice as high. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution(1990), p. 365.; See also: R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (1993), pp. 185-186.
Jewish hatred of the Tsarist regime had a basis in objective conditions. Of the leading European powers of the day, imperial Russia was the most institutionally conservative and anti-Jewish. For example, Jews were normally not permitted to reside outside a large area in the west of the Empire known as the “Pale of Settlement.”[27]Martin Gilbert, Atlas of Jewish History (1977), pp. 71, 74.; In spite of the restrictive “Pale” policy, in 1897 about 315,000 Jews were living outside the Pale, most of them illegally. In 1900 more than 20,000 were living in the capital of St. Petersburg, and another 9,000 in Moscow.

However understandable, and perhaps even defensible, Jewish hostility toward the imperial regime may have been, the remarkable Jewish role in the vastly more despotic Soviet regime is less easy to justify. In a recently published book about the Jews in Russia during the 20th century, Russian-born Jewish writer Sonya Margolina goes so far as to call the Jewish role in supporting the Bolshevik regime the “historic sin of the Jews.”[28]Sonja Margolina, Das Ende der Lügen: Russland und die Juden im 20. Jahrhundert (Berlin: 1992). Quoted in: “Ein ganz heisses Eisen angefasst,” Deutsche National-Zeitung (Munich), July 21, 1992, p. 12. She points, for example, to the prominent role of Jews as commandants of Soviet Gulag concentration and labor camps, and the role of Jewish Communists in the systematic destruction of Russian churches. Moreover, she goes on, “The Jews of the entire world supported Soviet power, and remained silent in the face of any criticism from the opposition.” In light of this record, Margolina offers a grim prediction:

The exaggeratedly enthusiastic participation of the Jewish Bolsheviks in the subjugation and destruction of Russia is a sin that will be avenged Soviet power will be equated with Jewish power, and the furious hatred against the Bolsheviks will become hatred against Jews.

If the past is any indication, it is unlikely that many Russians will seek the revenge that Margolina prophecies. Anyway, to blame “the Jews” for the horrors of Communism seems no more justifiable than to blame “white people” for Negro slavery, or “the Germans” for the Second World War or “the Holocaust.”

Words of Grim Portent

Nicholas and his family are only the best known of countless victims of a regime that openly proclaimed its ruthless purpose. A few weeks after the Ekaterinburg massacre, the newspaper of the fledgling Red Army declared:[29]Krasnaia Gazetta (“Red Gazette”), September 1, 1918. Quoted in: Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), pp. 820, 912 (n. 88).

Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies by the scores of hundreds, let them be thousands, let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritskii let there be floods of blood of the bourgeoisie — more blood, as much as possible.

Grigori Zinoviev, speaking at a meeting of Communists in September 1918, effectively pronounced a death sentence on ten million human beings: “We must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet Russia’s inhabitants. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them. They must be annihilated.”[30]Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1990), p. 820.

‘The Twenty Million’

As it turned out, the Soviet toll in human lives and suffering proved to be much higher than Zinoviev’s murderous rhetoric suggested. Rarely, if ever, has a regime taken the lives of so many of its own people.[31]Contrary to what a number of western historians have for years suggested, Soviet terror and the Gulag camp system did not begin with Stalin. At the end of 1920, Soviet Russia already had 84 concentration camps with approximately 50,000 prisoners. By October 1923 the number had increased to 315 camps with 70,000 inmates. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 836.

Citing newly-available Soviet KGB documents, historian Dmitri Volkogonov, head of a special Russian parliamentary commission, recently concluded that “from 1929 to 1952, 21.5 million [Soviet] people were repressed. Of these a third were shot, the rest sentenced to imprisonment, where many also died.”[32]Cited by historian Robert Conquest in a review/ article in The New York Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.

Olga Shatunovskaya, a member of the Soviet Commission of Party Control, and head of a special commission during the 1960s appointed by premier Khrushchev, has similarly concluded: “From January 1, 1935 to June 22, 1941, 19,840,000 enemies of the people were arrested. Of these, seven million were shot in prison, and a majority of the others died in camp.” These figures were also found in the papers of Politburo member Anastas Mikoyan.[33]The New York Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.

Robert Conquest, the distinguished specialist of Soviet history, recently summed up the grim record of Soviet “repression” of it own people:[34]Review/article by Robert Conquest in The New York Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.; In the “Great Terror” years of 1937-1938 alone, Conquest has calculated, approximately one million were shot by the Soviet secret police, and another two million perished in Soviet camps. R. Conquest, The Great Terror (New York: Oxford, 1990), pp. 485-486.;
Conquest has estimated that 13.5 to 14 million people perished in the collectivization (“dekulakization”) campaign and forced famine of 1929-1933. R. Conquest, The Harvest of Sorrow (New York: Oxford, 1986), pp. 301-307.

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the post-1934 death toll was well over ten million. To this should be added the victims of the 1930-1933 famine, the kulak deportations, and other anti-peasant campaigns, amounting to another ten million plus. The total is thus in the range of what the Russians now refer to as ‘The Twenty Million’.”

A few other scholars have given significantly higher estimates.[35]Russian professor Igor Bestuzhev-Lada, writing in a 1988 issue of the Moscow weekly Nedelya, suggested that during the Stalin era alone (1935-1953), as many as 50 million people were killed, condemned to camps from which they never emerged, or lost their lives as a direct result of the brutal “dekulakization” campaign against the peasantry. “Soviets admit Stalin killed 50 million,” The Sunday Times, London, April 17, 1988.;
R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, has recently calculated that 61.9 million people were systematically killed by the Soviet Communist regime from 1917 to 1987. R. J. Rummel, Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917 (Transaction, 1990).

The Tsarist Era in Retrospect

With the dramatic collapse of Soviet rule, many Russians are taking a new and more respectful look at their country’s pre-Communist history, including the era of the last Romanov emperor. While the Soviets — along with many in the West — have stereotypically portrayed this era as little more than an age of arbitrary despotism, cruel suppression and mass poverty, the reality is rather different. While it is true that the power of the Tsar was absolute, that only a small minority had any significant political voice, and that the mass of the empire’s citizens were peasants, it is worth noting that Russians during the reign of Nicholas II had freedom of press, religion, assembly and association, protection of private property, and free labor unions. Sworn enemies of the regime, such as Lenin, were treated with remarkable leniency.[36]Because of his revolutionary activities, Lenin was sentenced in 1897 to three years exile in Siberia. During this period of “punishment,” he got married, wrote some 30 works, made extensive use of a well-stocked local library, subscribed to numerous foreign periodicals, kept up a voluminous correspondence with supporters across Europe, and enjoyed numerous sport hunting and ice skating excursions, while all the time receiving a state stipend. See: Ronald W. Clark, Lenin (New York: 1988), pp. 42-57.; P. N. Pospelov, ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography(Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp. 55-75.

During the decades prior to the outbreak of the First World War, the Russian economy was booming. In fact, between 1890 and 1913, it was the fastest growing in the world. New rail lines were opened at an annual rate double that of the Soviet years. Between 1900 and 1913, iron production increased by 58 percent, while coal production more than doubled.[37]R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), pp. 187-188.; Exported Russian grain fed all of Europe. Finally, the last decades of Tsarist Russia witnessed a magnificent flowering of cultural life.

Everything changed with the First World War, a catastrophe not only for Russia, but for the entire West.

Monarchist Sentiment

In spite of (or perhaps because of) the relentless official campaign during the entire Soviet era to stamp out every uncritical memory of the Romanovs and imperial Russia, a virtual cult of popular veneration for Nicholas II has been sweeping Russia in recent years.

People have been eagerly paying the equivalent of several hours’ wages to purchase portraits of Nicholas from street vendors in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other Russian cities. His portrait now hangs in countless Russian homes and apartments. In late 1990, all 200,000 copies of a first printing of a 30-page pamphlet on the Romanovs quickly sold out. Said one street vendor: “I personally sold four thousand copies in no time at all. It’s like a nuclear explosion. People really want to know about their Tsar and his family.” Grass roots pro-Tsarist and monarchist organizations have sprung up in many cities.

A public opinion poll conducted in 1990 found that three out of four Soviet citizens surveyed regard the killing of the Tsar and his family as a despicable crime.[38]The Nation, June 24, 1991, p. 838. Many Russian Orthodox believers regard Nicholas as a martyr. The independent “Orthodox Church Abroad” canonized the imperial family in 1981, and the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church has been under popular pressure to take the same step, in spite of its long-standing reluctance to touch this official taboo. The Russian Orthodox Archbishop of Ekaterinburg announced plans in 1990 to build a grand church at the site of the killings. “The people loved Emperor Nicholas,” he said. “His memory lives with the people, not as a saint but as someone executed without court verdict, unjustly, as a sufferer for his faith and for orthodoxy.”[39]Bill Keller, “Cult of the Last Czar,” The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.

On the 75th anniversary of the massacre (in July 1993), Russians recalled the life, death and legacy of their last Emperor. In Ekaterinburg, where a large white cross festooned with flowers now marks the spot where the family was killed, mourners wept as hymns were sung and prayers were said for the victims.[40]“Nostalgic for Nicholas, Russians Honor Their Last Czar,” Los Angeles Times, July 18, 1993.; “Ceremony marks Russian czar’s death,” Orange County Register, July 17, 1993.

Reflecting both popular sentiment and new social-political realities, the white, blue and red horizontal tricolor flag of Tsarist Russia was officially adopted in 1991, replacing the red Soviet banner. And in 1993, the imperial two-headed eagle was restored as the nation’s official emblem, replacing the Soviet hammer and sickle. Cities that had been re-named to honor Communist figures — such as Leningrad, Kuibyshev, Frunze, Kalinin, and Gorky — have re-acquired their Tsarist-era names. Ekaterinburg, which had been named Sverdlovsk by the Soviets in 1924 in honor of the Soviet-Jewish chief, in September 1991 restored its pre-Communist name, which honors Empress Catherine I.

Symbolic Meaning

In view of the millions that would be put to death by the Soviet rulers in the years to follow, the murder of the Romanov family might not seem of extraordinary importance. And yet, the event has deep symbolic meaning. In the apt words of Harvard University historian Richard Pipes:[41]R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 787.

The manner in which the massacre was prepared and carried out, at first denied and then justified, has something uniquely odious about it, something that radically distinguishes it from previous acts of regicide and brands it as a prelude to twentieth-century mass murder.

Another historian, Ivor Benson, characterized the killing of the Romanov family as symbolic of the tragic fate of Russia and, indeed, of the entire West, in this century of unprecedented agony and conflict.

The murder of the Tsar and his family is all the more deplorable because, whatever his failings as a monarch, Nicholas II was, by all accounts, a personally decent, generous, humane and honorable man.

The Massacre’s Place in History

The mass slaughter and chaos of the First World War, and the revolutionary upheavals that swept Europe in 1917-1918, brought an end not only to the ancient Romanov dynasty in Russia, but to an entire continental social order. Swept away as well was the Hohenzollern dynasty in Germany, with its stable constitutional monarchy, and the ancient Habsburg dynasty of Austria-Hungary with its multinational central European empire. Europe’s leading states shared not only the same Christian and Western cultural foundations, but most of the continent’s reigning monarchs were related by blood. England’s King George was, through his mother, a first cousin of Tsar Nicholas, and, through his father, a first cousin of Empress Alexandra. Germany’s Kaiser Wilhelm was a first cousin of the German-born Alexandra, and a distant cousin of Nicholas.

More than was the case with the monarchies of western Europe, Russia’s Tsar personally symbolized his land and nation. Thus, the murder of the last emperor of a dynasty that had ruled Russia for three centuries not only symbolically presaged the Communist mass slaughter that would claim so many Russian lives in the decades that followed, but was symbolic of the Communist effort to kill the soul and spirit of Russia itself.

Notes

[1] Edvard Radzinksy, The Last Tsar (New York: Doubleday, 1992), pp. 327, 344-346.; Bill Keller, “Cult of the Last Czar,” The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.

[2] From an April 1935 entry in “Trotsky’s Diary in Exile.” Quoted in: Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: Knopf, 1990), pp. 770, 787.; Robert K. Massie, Nicholas and Alexandra (New York: 1976), pp. 496-497.; E. Radzinksy, The Last Tsar (New York: Doubleday, 1992), pp. 325-326.; Ronald W. Clark, Lenin (New York: 1988), pp. 349-350.

[3] On Wilton and his career in Russia, see: Phillip Knightley, The First Casualty (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1976), pp. 141-142, 144-146, 151-152, 159, 162, 169, and, Anthony Summers and Tom Mangold, The File on the Tsar(New York: Harper and Row, 1976), pp. 102-104, 176.

[4] AP dispatch from Moscow, Toronto Star, Sept. 26, 1991, p. A2.; Similarly, a 1992 survey found that one-fourth of people in the republics of Belarus (White Russia) and Uzbekistan favored deporting all Jews to a special Jewish region in Russian Siberia. “Survey Finds Anti-Semitism on Rise in Ex-Soviet Lands,” Los Angeles Times, June 12, 1992, p. A4.

[5] At the turn of the century, Jews made up 4.2 percent of the population of the Russian Empire. Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1990), p. 55 (fn.).
By comparison, in the United States today, Jews make up less than three percent of the total population (according to the most authoritative estimates).

[6] See individual entries in: H. Shukman, ed., The Blackwell Encyclopedia of the Russian Revolution (Oxford: 1988), and in: G. Wigoder, ed., Dictionary of Jewish Biography (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1991).
The prominent Jewish role in Russia’s pre-1914 revolutionary underground, and in the early Soviet regime, is likewise confirmed in: Stanley Rothman and S. Robert Lichter, Roots of Radicalism (New York: Oxford, 1982), pp. 92-94.
In 1918, the Bolshevik Party’s Central Committee had 15 members. German scholar Herman Fehst — citing published Soviet records — reported in his useful 1934 study that of six of these 15 were Jews. Herman Fehst, Bolschewismus und Judentum: Das jüdische Element in der Führerschaft des Bolschewismus (Berlin: 1934), pp. 68-72.; Robert Wilton, though, reported that in 1918 the Central Committee of the Bolshevik party had twelve members, of whom nine were of Jewish origin and three were of Russian ancestry. R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (IHR, 1993), p. 185.

[7] After years of official suppression, this fact was acknowledged in 1991 in the Moscow weekly Ogonyok. See: Jewish Chronicle (London), July 16, 1991.; See also: Letter by L. Horwitz in The New York Times, Aug. 5, 1992, which cites information from the Russian journal “Native Land Archives.”; “Lenin’s Lineage?”‘Jewish,’ Claims Moscow News,” Forward (New York City), Feb. 28, 1992, pp. 1, 3.; M. Checinski, Jerusalem Post (weekly international edition), Jan. 26, 1991, p. 9.

[8] Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: Knopf, 1990), p. 352.

[9] Harrison E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia’s Revolutions, 1905-1917 (Doubleday, 1978), p. 475.; William H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution (Princeton Univ. Press, 1987), vol. 1, pp. 291-292.; Herman Fehst, Bolschewismus und Judentum: Das jüdische Element in der Führerschaft des Bolschewismus (Berlin: 1934), pp. 42-43.; P. N. Pospelov, ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography (Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp. 318-319.
This meeting was held on October 10 (old style, Julian calendar), and on October 23 (new style). The six Jews who took part were: Uritsky, Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Sverdlov and Soklonikov.
The Bolsheviks seized power in Petersburg on October 25 (old style) — hence the reference to the “Great October Revolution” — which is November 7 (new style).

[10] William H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution (1987), vol. 1, p. 292.; H. E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia’s Revolutions, 1905-1917 (1978), p. 475.

[11] W. H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution, vol. 1, pp. 274, 299, 302, 306.; Alan Moorehead, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1965), pp. 235, 238, 242, 243, 245.; H. Fehst, Bolschewismus und Judentum (Berlin: 1934), pp. 44, 45.

[12] H. E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia’s Revolutions, 1905-1917 (1978), p. 479-480.; Dmitri Volkogonov, Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy (New York: Grove Weidenfeld, 1991), pp. 27-28, 32.; P. N. Pospelov, ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography (Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp. 319-320.

[13] “Zionism versus Bolshevism: A struggle for the soul of the Jewish people,” Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), February 8, 1920. Facsimile reprint in: William Grimstad, The Six Million Reconsidered (1979), p. 124. (At the time this essay was published, Churchill was serving as minister of war and air.)

[14] David R. Francis, Russia from the American Embassy (New York: 1921), p. 214.

[15] Foreign Relations of the United States — 1918 — Russia, Vol. 1 (Washington, DC: 1931), pp. 678-679.

[16] American Hebrew (New York), Sept. 1920. Quoted in: Nathan Glazer and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Beyond the Melting Pot (Cambridge, Mass.: 1963), p. 268.

[17] C. Jacobson, “Jews in the USSR” in: American Review on the Soviet Union, August 1945, p. 52.; Avtandil Rukhadze, Jews in the USSR: Figures, Facts, Comment (Moscow: Novosti, 1978), pp. 10-11.

[18] T. Emmons and B. M. Patenaude, eds., War, Revolution and Peace in Russia: The Passages of Frank Golder, 1913-1927 (Stanford: Hoover Institution, 1992), pp. 320, 139, 317.

[19] Louis Rapoport, Stalin’s War Against the Jews (New York: Free Press, 1990), pp. 30, 31, 37. See also pp. 43, 44, 45, 49, 50.

[20] Quoted in: Salo Baron, The Russian Jews Under Tsars and Soviets (New York: 1976), pp. 170, 392 (n. 4).

[21] The Atlantic, Sept. 1991, p. 14.;
In 1919, three-quarters of the Cheka staff in Kiev were Jews, who were careful to spare fellow Jews. By order, the Cheka took few Jewish hostages. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 824.; Israeli historian Louis Rapoport also confirms the dominant role played by Jews in the Soviet secret police throughout the 1920s and 1930s. L. Rapoport, Stalin’s War Against the Jews (New York: 1990), pp. 30-31, 43-45, 49-50.

[22] E. Radzinsky, The Last Tsar (1992), pp. 244, 303-304.; Bill Keller, “Cult of the Last Czar,” The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.; See also: W. H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution, vol. 2, p. 90.

[23] Quoted in: The New Republic, Feb. 5, 1990, pp. 30 ff.; Because of the alleged anti-Semitism of Russophobia, in July 1992 Shafarevich was asked by the National Academy of Sciences (Washington, DC) to resign as an associate member of that prestigious body.

[24] R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (1993), p. 148.

[25] Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 787.; Robert K. Massie, Nicholas and Alexandra (New York: 1976), pp. 496-497.

[26] An article in a 1907 issue of the respected American journal National Geographic reported on the revolutionary situation brewing in Russia in the years before the First World War: ” The revolutionary leaders nearly all belong to the Jewish race, and the most effective revolutionary agency is the Jewish Bund ” W. E. Curtis, “The Revolution in Russia,” The National Geographic Magazine, May 1907, pp. 313-314.
Piotr Stolypin, probably imperial Russia’s greatest statesman, was murdered in 1911 by a Jewish assassin. In 1907, Jews made up about ten percent of Bolshevik party membership. In the Menshevik party, another faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party, the Jewish proportion was twice as high. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution(1990), p. 365.; See also: R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (1993), pp. 185-186.

[27] Martin Gilbert, Atlas of Jewish History (1977), pp. 71, 74.; In spite of the restrictive “Pale” policy, in 1897 about 315,000 Jews were living outside the Pale, most of them illegally. In 1900 more than 20,000 were living in the capital of St. Petersburg, and another 9,000 in Moscow.

[28] Sonja Margolina, Das Ende der Lügen: Russland und die Juden im 20. Jahrhundert (Berlin: 1992). Quoted in: “Ein ganz heisses Eisen angefasst,” Deutsche National-Zeitung (Munich), July 21, 1992, p. 12.

[29] Krasnaia Gazetta (“Red Gazette”), September 1, 1918. Quoted in: Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), pp. 820, 912 (n. 88).

[30] Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1990), p. 820.

[31] Contrary to what a number of western historians have for years suggested, Soviet terror and the Gulag camp system did not begin with Stalin. At the end of 1920, Soviet Russia already had 84 concentration camps with approximately 50,000 prisoners. By October 1923 the number had increased to 315 camps with 70,000 inmates. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 836.

[32] Cited by historian Robert Conquest in a review/ article in The New York Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.

[33] The New York Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.

[34] Review/article by Robert Conquest in The New York Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.; In the “Great Terror” years of 1937-1938 alone, Conquest has calculated, approximately one million were shot by the Soviet secret police, and another two million perished in Soviet camps. R. Conquest, The Great Terror (New York: Oxford, 1990), pp. 485-486.;
Conquest has estimated that 13.5 to 14 million people perished in the collectivization (“dekulakization”) campaign and forced famine of 1929-1933. R. Conquest, The Harvest of Sorrow (New York: Oxford, 1986), pp. 301-307.

[35] Russian professor Igor Bestuzhev-Lada, writing in a 1988 issue of the Moscow weekly Nedelya, suggested that during the Stalin era alone (1935-1953), as many as 50 million people were killed, condemned to camps from which they never emerged, or lost their lives as a direct result of the brutal “dekulakization” campaign against the peasantry. “Soviets admit Stalin killed 50 million,” The Sunday Times, London, April 17, 1988.;
R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, has recently calculated that 61.9 million people were systematically killed by the Soviet Communist regime from 1917 to 1987. R. J. Rummel, Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917 (Transaction, 1990).

[36] Because of his revolutionary activities, Lenin was sentenced in 1897 to three years exile in Siberia. During this period of “punishment,” he got married, wrote some 30 works, made extensive use of a well-stocked local library, subscribed to numerous foreign periodicals, kept up a voluminous correspondence with supporters across Europe, and enjoyed numerous sport hunting and ice skating excursions, while all the time receiving a state stipend. See: Ronald W. Clark, Lenin (New York: 1988), pp. 42-57.; P. N. Pospelov, ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography(Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp. 55-75.

[37] R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), pp. 187-188.;

[38] The Nation, June 24, 1991, p. 838.

[39] Bill Keller, “Cult of the Last Czar,” The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.

[40] “Nostalgic for Nicholas, Russians Honor Their Last Czar,” Los Angeles Times, July 18, 1993.; “Ceremony marks Russian czar’s death,” Orange County Register, July 17, 1993.

[41] R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 787.

From The Journal of Historical Review, Jan.-Feb. 1994 (Vol. 14, No. 1), pages 4-22.

About the Author

Mark Weber was born and raised in Portland, Oregon. He studied history at the University of Illinois (Chicago), the University of Munich, Portland State University and Indiana University (M.A., 1977).

(Republished from JHR, Jan/Feb 1994 by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. But I thought Israel Shamir was an unbiased expert?

    If you can’t trust a guy named Israel on Jewish issues, who can you trust? The GOYIM???!!!

  2. So many old worn hats in one piece of disinformation! Again, so many millions killed – though these numbers had been debunked long time ago, see my article on the subject. Needless to say, this is bunkum; more Russian people died after 1991 with destruction of Soviets than after 1917 with their establishment.
    Execution of the last Russian Tsar should be seen in connection with execution of Louis XVI and Charles II, a usual feature of the revolution. We saw similar executions of Saddam Hussein and of Gaddafi. So it is far from unusual.
    There are two salient points: one, demographics. Soviet Russia had a very healthy demographics development, steadily growing from beginning to end, thus making the inventions of millions killed absolutely improbable. Two, popular support of Soviets in Russia today. It is very difficult to meet a Russian who wouldn’t regret the fall of Soviets.
    The Jewish part of the story is also greatly exaggerated, see the same piece of mine. Mark Weber allied himself to the most obnoxious Jewish contemporaries: to Anne Appelbaum and Sever Plotzker, who would say anything to please their anti-Communist supporters. So, Mark, you are spreading a Jewish narrative! lol!

  3. Dan Hayes says:

    It looks like our patron Ron is continuing to tempt fate by republishing from the Institute For Historical Review! Of course it would a suicide mission for anyone else to embark on any such mission. Somehow or other I suspect (hope) that he will survive unscathed from what will surely be denunciations (and much worse) from purveyors of the political zeitgeist.

  4. utu says:

    the king was put to death after a lengthy public trial

    In case of Marie Antoinette to secure conviction they accused her of incest and pedophilia. I am sure it would work in the 21 century America.

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  5. refl says:

    The idea that jews were restricted to the pale of settlement is topical in any discussion of tsarist repression. As I understand it, in premodern society almost anyone was restricted – if not by law, than by necessity – to living in the place where he was born or where his family had its roots. For the rest, it was the jewish comunity leaders, who were eager to keep their flog together. They hated the tsar even more for liberal reforms as it diminished their grip on their comunities.

    As much when I read in books that jews were restricted to their professions: In the era of guilds almost anyone had to stick to the trade he had come into by birth. Soltchenitzins “Twohundred years together” descibes how jews protested against tzarists plans to get them out of liquor dealing ( which disrupted the peasant comunities by fomenting booze)and into agriculture.

    Finally, I understand that the hatred of jewish bolshewiks against Russians about equalled their hatred against their own repressive upbringing. So indeed, these people can be seen as antisemites themselves.
    I would like to once read an honest evaluation of what really was the “christian persecussion of the Jews.”

  6. utu says:

    The execution of the Tsar’s family was needed not only in order to frighten, horrify, and instill a sense of hopelessness in the enemy but also to shake up our own ranks, to show that there was no turning back, that ahead lay either total victory or total doom.

    Whose execution in America would have similar symbolic power to make the destruction of the system seem irreversible?

  7. @Shlomo Trotsky

    Your question is: “How did the Bolsheviks take control of Russia”? The answer is easy. They just did what they are doing in America and elsewhere now. Want to know more? Please read Solgenitsin 2 books, two centuries toghther first The Jews and the Russians before the Revolution and the second The Jews and the Russians after the Revolution. Solgenitsin is a friend of the Jew and the two books have the roots in the Jewish Encyclopedia. For those who speak Italian: Il Giudeobolschevismo written by Giannantonio Valli, who committed suicide after the loss of his wife for somes, who has been suicided for others.

  8. Ah , here we go again. No wonder so much of locals have absolutely wrong view of Russian revolutions. Louis xvi of France was guillotined in 1793. His wife too. Son died in terrible suffering in jail. Why not to start digging there or maybe Karl of England who also was beheaded? Stating Radzinsky that soft voiced dick as sort of researcher and viable source. The author might also bring solzhenicin and volkogonov. All so honest and unbiased. I repeat it again. Russian revolutions of 20th century had caused in Russia previous history. Nikolai made his bed himself. In 1918 there was not chance in heaven for his cult as he was universally despised and hated for who he really was. Jews who were Russian citizens participated in revolution too. But they were just flies on elephant back. The elephant was Russian people who over the previous 200+ years had been reduced to absolutely inhuman conditions by regime. I also wonder is the author aware of April thesis by Lenin. He made his plans obvious upon arrival and in the beginning had little support as many thought the old man lost it when he published April thesis. Lenin was the one and only critical figure who made the great October revolution possible and brought it to fruition. Not trotskyist, sverdlov or even stalin. Again, the quality of articles on the get subject by western authors is horrible. I understand Jewish influence is being unmasked now but it never was much in Russia. Shamir article was the only one truthful and correct about bolsheviks and revolution.

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  9. That jews played a decisive role in Lenin’s coup should surprise nobody, contrary to the mass of Russians jews were literate.
    On top of that, they lived in the towns and cities, could communicate with one another.
    In 1900 the tenth tsarist assimilation committee resigned.
    At about the same time count Witte, or count Von Plehve, said to Herzl ‘that he would gladly drown five million jews (all jews in Russia) in the Black Sea, but it was impossible.
    The fate of tsarist Russia in hindsight was decided around 1800 with dismembering Poland, the result was that nearly the whole of the world’s jewry came to live in Russia.

  10. @Shlomo Trotsky

    Trust nobody, sift the information, the truth is consistent

  11. It is pseudo science to highlight that some people of importance in the Russian Revolution were secular Jews. Their political positions had nothing to do with their Jewish background. This is purely anti-semitism.

  12. Quite a battle of the supposed factoids here on the Soviet regime, what is written above versus Israel Shamir’s diametrically opposed account on Unz

    So we have some historical researchers charging that there were tens of millions killed by the Soviets, significantly by Jews … and opposing literature citing other historical researchers, saying that the death counts of the Soviet Union are grossly exaggerated, fictions developed by the enemies of socialism, or those who sought to win favour and fame in the West as anti-Soviet dissidents … and that the Jewish role was much smaller than generally thought.

    It is cited above as well, that especially after 1928 Stalin began to sideline the Jews … and this in turn is cited by others, as part of an argument that Stalin is demonised precisely because of his kicking Jews out of their front seats in the Soviet machine

    From Shamir’s article, a hugely different perspective than from Mark Weber above … whom to believe? –

    American workers had miserable lives before Russia broke the way to socialism in 1917; they had it rather good while Russia was socialist; and they reverted to misery in 1991, when socialism was dismantled in Russia.

    All the achievements of Russian socialism – 8-hour working day, pensions, health care, protected tenancy, paid holidays, annual leave, no arbitrary sackings – were adopted in Europe, and now are on their way out, because the rich guys won.

    [From] the chairman of the ‘Memorial’, a Russian anti-Communist NGO, Dr Arseny Roginsky: “I was given a full access to all [Soviet] archives, I learned everything there is about Stalin’s victims, and I prepared a complete report. However, if I were to publish it, [I’d probably lose my job, there will be no more grants], my friends would drop me like a hot potato, I’d remain alone, and nobody will believe me anyway”.

    “According to my calculations, in the entire Soviet period from 1918 to 1987, according to the surviving documents, it turned out that 7 million 100 thousand people were arrested by the state security agencies across the country. And that includes those arrested for banditry, smuggling, counterfeiting. And for many other criminal offences.”

    Just last (2017) year, in the peacetime USA, over ten million persons had been arrested.

    Two best and most reliable documents regarding numbers of imprisoned and killed in Stalin’s days are (1) The Attorney General et al report to Nikita Khrushchev in 1954, saying 2.5 million were imprisoned for all Soviet period, and 600 thousand sentenced to death, and (2) Dr Victor Zemskov painstaking research, well known for its thoroughness. Zemskov had studied activities of the state security bodies from 1921 to 1954, and he discovered that in this period 650 thousand persons have been sentenced to death (not all of them were actually executed) and 2.3 million were sentenced to prison terms. That’s for 33 difficult years of Stalin’s rule.

    In the terrible 1937, there were 1,2 million prisoners in gulag. Compare it with the US: in 2013, – 2,2 million adults were incarcerated in US federal and state prisons, and county jails. About 1% of adults in the U.S. resident population, 0.8% for the USSR. Additionally, in the US 4,75 million were on probation or on parole. There were fewer prisoners in Gulag than in American penitentiary system. For more careful comparison see here:
    http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc0901/gulag.htm

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  13. Franz says:

    Another historian, Ivor Benson, characterized the killing of the Romanov family as symbolic of the tragic fate of Russia and, indeed, of the entire West, in this century of unprecedented agony and conflict.

    Indeed, yes. Not just Russia. All of it.

    Edmund Wilson once wrote that The Great War is like an unbridgeable chasm between one era and another. So totally was the West’s confidence shattered, so completely was the will of one of the Earth’s major races brutally sapped, that it’s impossible for those of us who came later to even imagine “before”.

    A certain world ended a century ago. Those still here have to recognize we never actually recovered.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
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  14. Deschutes says:

    Sounds like bad guys (white russian monarchy) vs. bad guys (bolshevik commies).

    A ‘lose-lose’ proposition from Russia, imagine my shock.

  15. Hans says:

    Mark Weber continues to sit on his stolen throne at IHR turning a once very active force for truth into a dead letter box.

    Michael Piper covered the take-down of IHR under Weber. Essential info – https://carolynyeager.net/mike-pipers-lonely-battle-expose-jewish-takeover-ihr

  16. El Dato says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Execution of the last Russian Tsar should be seen in connection with execution of Louis XVI and Charles II, a usual feature of the revolution. We saw similar executions of Saddam Hussein and of Gaddafi. So it is far from unusual.

    Louis XVI was offed only when the bloodthirsty crazies had taken over. Followed internal purges, political and regional of the bloodiest sort and a “popular movement” to take over Europe for some french-issue-style “liberation of the masses”. So, going on the “far from unusal” angle, the Soviets took up only the first part, but wisely left out the second part? Oh, wait, there was this Red Army attack on Europe in 1920….

    Soviet Russia had a very healthy demographics development, steadily growing from beginning to end, thus making the inventions of millions killed absolutely improbable.

    Who are you going to believe, Israel Shamir or this lying age pyramid:

    We saw similar executions of Saddam Hussein and of Gaddafi.

    These were not “revolutions” btw, but takeouts.

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    , @Hu Mi Yu
  17. @Israel Shamir

    The French revolutionaries, though also scum, at least had the minimal decency to set up a kangaroo trial and avoid murdering the King’s children.

    Healthy demographics, Soviet-style = 100 million lower population in Russia than it would have been without Communism: http://polit.ru/article/2006/01/16/demography/

    Where exactly did Yeltsin come from? The Moon? It was Soviets who destroyed Soviets.
    That is, the sovok nomenklatura realized it could loot far money without having to pay lip service to Marxist-Leninist claptrap.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  18. That the imperial family was killed on Lenin’s orders is well established. That Jews were disproportionally represented among the early Bolshevik leaders is also well established. Anti-Semitism in Europe arises from the ethnic nature of European nationalism. Each and every ethnic group is entitled to claim exclusive passion of part of the land of Europe and establish a sovereign state there. That’s what we mean by “nation-state”: one nation, one state. The Jews are eternal “foreigners” on land which others claim as exclusively theirs. That was Herzl’s logic: if the Jews don’t belong where they are, then they should go to where they belong. The recent resurgence in anti-Semitism in Europe is part of the resurgence of nationalism.
    It was largely Tsar Nicholas’s own blundering that brought about the Russian Revolution and the blundering of the “Whites” which opened the door to the Bolsheviks. The current Nicholas cult has more to do with a rejection of communism than historical accuracy.
    Incidentally, Karl Marx was a Lutheran. His Jewish parents had converted before he was born and never had any connection to the Jewish religion.

  19. @Israel Shamir

    You need to drop your usual shoddiness and tighten up on facts and argument if you are going to avoid looking foolish in taking on the likes of Mark Weber. It’s no help to your credit to refer to Charles ‘ll as executed when it was his father Charles l and, more important, you ignore altogether that Charles l was formally tried in the Palace of Westminster and that his family were not killed.

    • Replies: @Anon
  20. Seraphim says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    No matter you do, no matter how many abuses one heaps on the heads of the truthspeakers, “Truth will rise above falsehood as oil above water”.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  21. I’m beginning to see interesting differences of opinion.

    For me Bernard Baruch was a crook, a Wall Street swindler, he never did anything productive, how he swindled he describes himself in his two autobiographies, he’s proud on what he did.

    Soros I see as just such a man, he also made a fortune in speculating, also never did anything productive.
    He was condemned to three months prison by a Paris court for trading with foreknowledge.
    His currency speculations ended abruptly, the suspicion is that his source of foreknowledge no longer existed.
    Malaysia still hates him, he brought down the Malaysian currency.
    That on his own he was a bad speculator was immediately clear, he went into internet shares and made a huge loss.

    Both men saw, or see, themselves as saviours of this world, in vain in 1946, when WII had accomplished nothing but death an destruction, Baruch pleaded for a world government.
    At present Soros is said to control some 230 EP members, Hungary threw him out with his Open Society movement, and closes his university, I suppose.
    But Brussels does anything it can to control Hungary, bring it on the right path.
    I do not suppose Brussels will succeed, a bloodbath is expected for the Bayern election tomorrow, the leftist green gaining and the national AfD gaining.

    I now wonder if the jewish bolsjewists had the same idea of improving the world.
    Sorge was not a jew, as far as I know, this master spy spied for Moscow just out of idealism.
    Arthur Koestler did the same, for some time, he also was a zionist, for some time.
    The Dutch socialist politician Troelstra in 1918, is the story, I was not there, of unleashing a revolution.
    He decided not to do it, chose for gradual improvement, what succeeded.

    Hödl, in his book on Galician jews in Vienna around 1890, writes that each jew was a member of two or three political organisations, that held weekly meetings.
    Why Soros does not play golf, cruises around in a yaught, visits his grandchildren, I do not understand.
    In stead he tries to change Europe, and makes himself, and fellow jews, hated.
    Why Israel continues on the path to destruction, as incomprehensible.
    Weird people, jews.

    Klaus Hödl, ‘Als Bettler in die Leopoldstadt, Galizische Juden auf dem Weg nach Wien’, Wien, 1994

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @annamaria
    , @Da Wei
  22. You best believe there were Jews-o-plenty in the Bolshevik Revolution. This video is based on the book “Born Under The Sign” by Jura Lina. Many(including myself)consider it to be the ultimate expose’ on the Bolshevik Revolution.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  23. Greg S. says:
    @Israel Shamir

    “Debunked” is a very strong word and does not do the writer much credit. Looking back into the lens of history is always tainted by the fact that we must rely on second and third hand information at best. Has anyone ever stopped to consider that official statistics maintained by the Soviet government would have been manipulated, fudged, hidden, etc? This was always the claim Solzhenitsyn made.

    I have read “The Gulag Archipelago” – every damned page. Solzhenitsyn goes to great lengths to describe all of the hidden ways that people were killed by the Soviet government that would never show up in any official way. Most of them were not “taken out back and shot” but instead ground down to death in various ways. Died of natural causes in the official records, even though there was nothing natural about it. I believe his claim for a death toll (that included all of the incidental deaths) was around 60 million souls.

    Perhaps this is high, or perhaps not, but it strikes me as a great evil thing to attempt to whitewash history and say “it wasn’t so bad – only 10 million died.” I looked at Israel Shamir’s article and the comments are filled with communist apologists coming out of the woodwork to espouse the virtues of communism and how “it wasn’t so bad.” It’s a little stomach turning.

    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, and all that.

  24. So what is here?
    Typical lying by telling the truth.
    Very fashionable these days!!!!
    Czar Nicolai was`was useless worthless puppet of his crimson wife, the grandchild of Queen Victoria.
    So what was really happening?
    England and France seeing the gaining progress of Germany in technological and technical fields decided to destroy Germany.
    England always hated Russia.
    England trained and armed Japanese navy that eventually destroyed the Russian Eastern fleet.
    But Czar never noticed.
    Rasputin who was a true Russian patriot was screwing the Czarina, and tried to influence her, but Czarina was in deep love with her grandma.
    Rasputin urged her not to go to war with Germany. (in vain)
    Eventually English secret service arranged killing of Rasputin.
    Czar family was put in house arrest by Kerensky eight months before.
    Lenin only put them out of the way.
    Author admits that Vlasov eventually took Yekaterinburg.
    But Germans also did promise Lenin to build Machine gun factory.
    And the Germans delivered.
    It was game over for Whites.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    For me only murder of Lenin still remains mystery.

    • Replies: @Anon
  25. This what the Zionists/ Bolsheviks/Communists are doing right here in America right now and if they ever get our guns away from us they will open another Bolshevik slaughter house right here just like they did in Russia where they killed some 60 million Russians.

    The Zionists are Satanists and murder is a sacrifice to their demon satan and they already have shown what they will do when Zionist Israel and the Zionist deep state attacked the WTC on 911 and killed some 3000 Americans and got away with it , and every thinking American knows that they did it.

    Anyone who reads Alexander Solzhenitsyns book The Gulag Archipelago knows that the Demonrat Bolsheviks are at work right here in America.

  26. A Name says:
    @Ernst Andersson

    Their hatred of Russians and Europeans in general was tied to their Jewish identity.
    This continues to this day everywhere, specially in the USA.

  27. Wally says:
    @Ernst Andersson

    Right, just an incredible statistical coincidence no doubt.

    You were making a joke, right?

    • Replies: @Ernst Andersson
  28. Wally says:

    Enjoyable free speech column by David Cole on The IHR’s Mark Weber:

    Black BART and the Freedom Riders: http://takimag.com/article/black-bart-and-the-freedom-riders/#axzz5TolWIy7o

    related:

    San Francisco ADL Attempts to Censor IHR Ads: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12046

  29. @Michael Kenny

    “Karl Marx was the son of Heinrich Marx whose correct name before it was “Aryanized” was Heinrich Levy, the son of Rabbi Marx Levy of Trier. His mother was a Polish Jewess derived from a family of rabbis, including Rabbis Meir Katzenellenbogen of Padua, Joseph Ben Gerson ha-Cohen and Joshua Heschel Lvov. His elder brother, Karl’s uncle was also a rabbi. In order to retain his post as counselor in the Trier court, when the Rhineland was taken over by Germany, Heinrich Marx (ne Hirschel Levy) was baptized in 1817, one year before Karl was born. He retained his court job and advanced to the position of Justizrat and a leader of the Moderate Constitutional party in Trier. Karl’s Hungarian Jewish mother, Henriette did not become baptized until after the death of her parents in 1825. Karl and his brothers and sisters were baptized in the National Evangelical Church (Protestant) on August 24, 1824, when Karl was a little over six years old. Karl Marx suffered from an acute inferiority complex regarding his Jewish origin. He never could bring himself to realize that those about him regarded him with questioning, if not contempt, because he pretended to be something he was not. He held the Jews responsible for his state. His paranoia and inferiority complex were compensated by an intense hatred of the Jews. This found expression in the first works he wrote for publication. In the Deutsch-Franzoeieche Jabrbuch of 1844 he wrote in a review entitle “Zur Judenfrage”(“On the Jewish Question”) the following: “What is the basis of Judaism? Selfishness and greed. “What is their faith? Swindling. “Who is their God? Money. “There can be no solution of the problem of the world without the destruction of the Jews and their religion, (Judenthum) .”
    In 1875 he wrote “The Hebrew faith is repellent to me”. Thus Karl Marx, a neo-Lutheran, became one of the fathers of Nazism, acknowledged by Hitler and his crew.”
    From “The Strange Death Of Franklin D. Roosevelt” by Emanuel M Josephson
    There you have it, Karl Marx, the most famous of the “self hating Jews”.

    • Replies: @anon
  30. KenH says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Two, popular support of Soviets in Russia today. It is very difficult to meet a Russian who wouldn’t regret the fall of Soviets.

    Probably because Russian goyim wrested control of the communist apparatus away from Jews and the Russians living during the 1991 fall and still alive today knew only communism with a Russian gentile face and not the 3 am knock at the door by Jewish commissars or Cheka agents and two taps to the base of the skull version of communism.

    Once the Russians overthew the Jews communism more or less just became a tool to further Russian nationalism similar to how the Chinese are using it today.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  31. Giuseppe says:

    Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country’s total population, they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years.

    This is where I stopped reading. Israel Shamir clearly debunked this myth of the Jews and Bolshevism and supported it in excruciating detail with archival evidence in Russian. Mr. Unz, what are you thinking?

    My guess is that the source of this myth resides within the emigré community. Many years ago walking around Green Lake, Seattle, a white-haired octogenarian woman emigrée from Tsarist Latvia told me quite earnestly and repeatedly that the Jews were responsible for the Russian Revolution. She seemed to have interesting things to say (on other subjects as well) but clearly was not seeing the big picture as far as the Russian Revolution. However she wasn’t passing herself off as a historian either, unlike this writer Mark Weber.

    I trust what Israel Shamir has to say. I have been reading him for years and judge his writing to be truthful and well thought out. He had nothing to gain on the Unz Review by writing a piece that challenged the views of the publisher on Jewish Bolshevist leadership, which to me, speaks a lot for its truthfulness.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Anon
    , @Russ
  32. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Your writing would be easier on the eye therefore much more effective if you broke up the block of text into small paragraphs.

    Patrick Buchanan has mastered that technique.

  33. @Franz

    A certain world ended a century ago. Those still here have to recognize we never actually recovered.

    Verdi’s operas provide a hint of the complexity of the European mind before the wars in Europe destroyed not only the world that made Verdi possible but even a bridge to it.

    • Agree: utu
  34. @Wally

    No joke!

    Mark Twain wrote: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.”

    • Replies: @Wally
  35. @DESERT FOX

    Communism, the political system formerly known as Judaism.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  36. @Johnny Walker Read

    Agree, and the demonrat party is now just an extension of the Bolshevik party and they are hell bent to destroy America.

  37. S says:

    There were certainly powerful elements of the elites of the Jewish people and hangers on heavily involved with the Bolshevik Revolution. Looking back, you also find powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on (amongst varying degrees of some other peoples) in a certain sense ultimately involved as well.

    One of these, Thomas Jefferson, was a principal author (with two other individuals) of the French Revolution’s ‘Declaration of the Rights of Man’ in 1789, was in Paris during the July ‘storming of the Bastille’, and as very much expected was a big supporter of the French Revolution. It will be recalled it was the French Revolution with its Commune and execution and arrests of many thousands of suspected and accused ‘counter-revolutionaries’ (yes, they had that English term and its French equivalent already in the 1790’s) during the associated Great Terror which quickly evolved into ‘Red Republicanism’, and which set the template ultimately for Soviet Communism.

    Some quotes below of Jefferson’s regarding the French Revolution.

    Perhaps reflective of the Puritanical zeal the US has been known for at times, to see the Revolution pulled off succesfully Jefferson was fully prepared to see ‘half the earth desolated’ with only two people left alive in each country so affected. Apparently the Russian people with their many millions dead/murdered due to Red October just happened to be living on the wrong half of the earth at the wrong time. The same with Red China.

    And having gone full circle is the United States and its people soon to experience this ‘desolation’ that Jefferson describes regarding the French Revolution?

    January 3, 1793

    “..and was ever such a prize won with so little innocent blood? my own affections have been deeply wounded by some of the martyrs to this cause, but rather than it should have failed, I would have seen half the earth desolated. were there but an Adam and Eve left in every country, left free, it would be better than as it now is.”

    Lamentations regarding the execution of King Louis XVI and the fate of many thousands of French men and women murdered during the Great Terror…something ultimately Jefferson himself had played no small part in helping to unleash upon the French people.

    “..those enormities which demoralized the nations of the world, and destroyed, and is yet to destroy, millions and millions of its inhabitants.”

    Jefferson, after recovering a bit from the over aweing destructiveness of the French Revolution. One pictures a bowling ball making a perfect strike of what had once been, albeit imperfect, peoples and nations.

    And is what historical identity remains of the US general public soon going to experience a ‘perfect strike’ as well?

    June 1, 1795

    “this ball of liberty, I believe most piously, is now so well in motion that it will roll round the globe..”

    Like a great many persons I too think the world and its peoples have a great many problems that needs working on, but don’t believe it be done via deception, fraud, force, wholesale murder and destruction, all in the name of a faux charity and compassion acting as a cover for ultimately what appears to be a slavery based global empire.

    That would allow for peoples not wishing to experience certain reforms when offered the opportunity, whatever those reforms might be, to say no…and not be bombed to smithereens for their impertinence.

    And also like a good many others I’d suspect, having seen video of some of these paid ‘demonstrators’ in action over the past few months, I don’t particularly have any desire to be reduced to the spiritually and emotionally dead status of a Winston and Julia (something of a model for the new Adam and Eve to repopulate the Earth with?) as described at the end of Orwell’s 1984 nor be able to be turned off and on by someone like an automaton for a daily ‘two minute hate’ session, traits I see with these ‘demonstrators’.

    https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffworld.html

    https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/french-revolution

    • Replies: @utu
  38. @El Dato

    We saw similar executions of Saddam Hussein and of Gaddafi.

    These were not “revolutions” btw, but takeouts.

    I noticed that as well. The guy obviously has something loose somewhere.:

    In his article he also wrote that

    Communism is Christianity minus God; secularised Christianity, in learned words.
    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/red-zog/

    He musta forgot the part about force. Whereas the Marxist Commies openly preached and practiced the use of force, at least the Christians generally have a record of supposedly opposing its use at least much of the time in their conquests and exploitations of the masses. I will grant him the fact that both claim liberation of the masses as pretexts for their crimes.

    The poor fellow seems so confused that he believes his own distortions, but I’m happy that he comments since he exposes and makes very clear the distortions and ruthlessness of the enemy.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @MacNucc11
  39. @Greg S.

    …but it strikes me as a great evil thing to attempt to whitewash history…

    Not a shred of doubt about that, and an attempt as transparent as it is despicable!

    Thank you.

  40. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), pp. 187-188.;

    LOL. The irony is, of course, completely lost on the author.

  41. @Ernst Andersson

    It is pseudo science to highlight that some people of importance in the Russian Revolution were secular Jews.

    I’d like to take this opportunity to remind you that it’s deceptive to offer a straw man argument as you just did.

    Who mentioned science?

    And “some?” It seems you may have missed a major point of the article; better go back and read the thing. Also, do yourself a favor and remember that yer at UR, where claims like yours are consistently laughed at.

    • Agree: 2stateshmustate
    • Replies: @Ernst Andersson
  42. @Brabantian

    whom to believe? –

    I believe it’s hard to go wrong by believing those who expose the crimes of those in power or mocking apologists for the same.

    Or better than believing one or another, see comment #10.

  43. bjondo says:

    Scum being scum:

    Palestinian Woman Stoned to Death by Israeli Settlers

    IMEMC News – October 13, 2018

    A group of Israeli paramilitary settlers attacked a Palestinian couple south of Nablus, in the northern part of the West Bank, on Friday, killing the woman and severely injuring her husband.

    Aisha Mohammed Talal al-Rabi, 47, was riding in a car with her husband near the Za’tara roadblock, south of Nablus, in the northern part of the West Bank, when a group of Israeli settlers came onto the road and began throwing rocks at their car.

    The slain woman was from Bidya town, northwest of Salfit.

    The Israeli colonial settlers threw a number of large rocks, breaking the windshield of the car. They then continued to throw rocks, according to local sources, hitting the couple multiple times in the head and upper body.

    Aisha died of blunt force trauma to the head, caused by a rock that was thrown at her head by the settlers.

    Armed Israeli paramilitary settlers have launched a number of attacks on the Palestinian civilian population in the Nablus area, with the number of attacks drastically increasing since two Israeli settlers were killed by a Palestinian in the area on Monday.

    or…

    Yid being Yid.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  44. annamaria says:
    @Israel Shamir

    There is nothing “LOL” about the Russian tragedy of the 2oth century. The flower of Russian culture was eliminated by the Bolshevik terrorists. The nobility, clergy, highly-educated were particularly targeted by the Soviet secret police. And who were the leading members of the Soviet secret police? “Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka.”

    The “LOL” also is not “LOL” at all when this fact is considered: “As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment. Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable.”

    — Why? This certainly reminds of the current Jewish Power’ success at suppressing any critique of the ziocon warmongers (see the ongoing genocidal wars in the Middle East) as well as the crimes of the Jewish State. (The shameful persecution of the researcher in the WWII is a separate matter). The US, EU and UK have been infiltrated by the agents of Jewish Power; the populace is not allowed to mention any critique of the “most victimized” untouchables or even to remind somehow of the Jews’ misdeeds (see the despicable treatment of Corbin in the UK and the hysterical reaction to Trump’s mentioning of Soros in the US).

    The well-researched documentaries by Volkogonov, Shafarevich, and Margolina do deserve respect. In the 20th century, Russia was Purimized by the obnoxious bloodthirsty opportunists greedy for power and comforts.

    There is another problem — the Jewish hatred towards Russia has not abided; see the progeny of the Soviet Jewish communists promoting the unbounded Russsophobia, such as the “refugee” S. Brin (Google), Dm. Alperovitch (CrowdStrike), M. Weiss (Propornot) and legion of others “most victimized” who must be reminded about the decisive role of the Jews in the Bolshevik terror again and again.

  45. Miro23 says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Why Soros does not play golf, cruises around in a yaught, visits his grandchildren, I do not understand.
    In stead he tries to change Europe, and makes himself, and fellow jews, hated.
    Why Israel continues on the path to destruction, as incomprehensible.

    I’ve been wondering about this.

    For example, the US offered the Jews a home when they were expelled from central Europe, and they became a rich and successful minority. They were free to practice their religion, engage in ethnic networking, take top positions in Congress, the administration, media, finance and the legal system, and their version of history was taught in schools. Hardly an oppressed minority.

    So why not just enjoy being rich and successful Americans?

    Instead we get Jewish activists putting the US public $ trillions in debt to fight Israel’s wars, WMD fabrications, the 9/11 horror show, the USS Liberty, the destruction of the Middle East, provocation of Russia, open frontiers and the across the board trashing of Anglo society, along with an almost pathological desire to dominate the US and gain absolute power.

    • Agree: anarchyst, renfro
  46. @Israel Shamir

    Agree. I think someone really needs communism to be smeared non stop. Who benefits is the best question as always.

  47. @Seraphim

    What truth? I am talking the truth. To know the truth one needs to know the history, causes and situation. This article is a heap of old lies.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @annamaria
  48. @Greg S.

    Solzhenicin is a liar. But you believe him.because ot suits your bias.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @ploni almoni
  49. @annamaria

    Russia flowered under Soviets.

    • Replies: @Russ
    , @annamaria
  50. @bjondo

    That kind of language is pure anti-Semitism.

  51. @jacques sheete

    Why do you need “the straw man”? Do you not have any arguments?

    You write: “It seems you may have missed a major point of the article”. Please inform me of “a major point” in the article.

    Becoming “laughed at” is not very obsessive. That someone laughs seems more like missing the actual arguments. Maybe it says a bit about the intelectuel level of UR.

    My point is: Being a Bolshevik in 1917 had nothing to do with being a secular Jew.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  52. VICB3 says:

    “worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality.”

    I’m no great fan of Churchill, but it seems this quote almost perfectly describes the current crop of Cultural Marxists that infest politics, culture and social discourse today.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

    P.S. Here, have a recent piece from the Mises Institute that examines Cultural Marxism:

    Is Cultural Marxism America’s New Mainline Ideology?

    https://mises.org/wire/cultural-marxism-americas-new-mainline-ideology

  53. The Bolsheviks weren’t Jewish! Nothing to see here goyim! They made anti-semitism a crime, but that means nothing. They mass murdered and starved millions of Christians, but that doesn’t count. They burned churches to the ground, but hey, no big deal.
    To this day they HATE Russia and want the US to go to war with Russia, but again, no big deal.
    You anti-semites and your conspiracy theories.

  54. Cyrano says:

    What a pile of garbage. Communism was bad because it called for real equality, and capitalism is good because it calls for equality based on propaganda. Liverpool soccer club has a fan hymn – “You’ll never walk alone”. That was pretty much the Soviet experience, the state helped every individual from the cradle to the grave – education, job, housing, it was all taken care of by the state. In capitalism, the individual left to their own devices quite often ends up on the street – by the millions. But, yeah, socialism was evil and capitalism is kind. You brainwashed idiots.

  55. Seraphim says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Sorry to disappoint you, but you just believe you are speaking the truth. You are, and you make it obvious with all your comments, a victim of years of Soviet brainwashing which seems to be incurable.

  56. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @El Dato

    Who are you going to believe, Israel Shamir or this lying age pyramid:

    The graphic doesn’t make any sense. It looks like a, ah, season-to-be-jolly tree. The axes are unlabeled, and the dates (if that is what they are) only run out to 1500 or so. It subtracts only from El Dato’s credibility.

  57. @annamaria

    Even if Israel Shamir is right in concluding that the deaths attributed to the (((Bolsheviks))) are exaggerated, it cannot be denied that anti-Semitism was criminalized in the USSR when the commies came to power. Yet during this same era, thousands of Christian churches were destroyed or converted to other uses in the new ‘people’s paradise’.

    There is also no doubt that secular Jews were crucial in orchestrating the Russian Revolution of 1917 as well as subsidizing it. Jews were a necessary condition for its success.

    In Russia, Christianity recovered under Putin, who is now deplored by major forces across the board throughout America.

    Similarly, as Jews have risen to power in the US, Christianity has been chased from the public square, expelled from the classroom, routinely mocked in mass entertainment, and strategically targeted by groups like the (((ACLU))).

    Meanwhile, Israel has attained ‘sacred cow’ status in Washington, Wall Street, Hollywood and throughout America’s popular culture.

    Coincidence?

    Oh yeah, and ‘denying ‘The Holocaust’ has been criminalized throughout Europe and even Canada. Misspeaking about Jews or ‘The Holocaust’ also spells instant political and social death in countless instances. No taboo carries such weight. No taboo is enforced with such unsparing vigor.

    And needless to say, publicly doubting the causality figures of Jews during WWII is universally UNACCEPTABLE. This taboo is unique.

    By contrast, denying or simply ignoring what happened in the Ukraine by the ‘idealistic’ commies between 1931-33 is of little interest or concern. Cui bono?

    I believe that the Jews are responsible for these artificial double standards and propandaistic points of interest.

    Fact: Jews do foment revolutions. Jews do orchestrate wars. Many Jews are extremely wealthy, politically aggressive and racially cohesive. And many Jews are fanatically ethnocentric.

    Since antiquity, Jews have formed countless all-Jewish organizations to spearhead their tribal interests. They are infamously ruthless.

    These actions and propensities spell real trouble for those who dare get in their way.

  58. Bubba says:
    @utu

    Or be accused of any politically incorrect “Diversity” thoughtcrime.

  59. It is articles like Mr. Weber’s that have the power to cause even the most fanatical Christian Zionist have second thoughts.
    I suggest that arguments such as his are more powerful than armies or even the murderers of the Mossad.
    We’ve just got to figure out a way to get this information in front of the millions of mislead people.
    Any suggestions?

  60. @KenH

    Yes. Stalin’s purges are best understood as directed against an essentially Jewish mafia. Stalin was brutal, no doubt, but Trotsky would have been incomparably worse, and it remains a tragedy of history that Stalin’s ambitions got the better of him and he forced Hitler’s hand. A Soviet-Nazi alliance could have finally ended the British Empire and prevented Zionism from becoming the world-wide plague that it is now.

  61. @Cyrano

    Garbage argument; Capitalism doesn’t call for anything except the freedom to associate and spend one’s money as one pleases.

    Commyism based on the anti-human nature idea that people are required ignore their own interests for the sake of the “collective”. In other words for the benefit of the Bolshie’s .

    Bolshevism; acquiring power no matter how many innocents you have to murder to do so and keeping power no matter how many innocents you have to slaughter.
    After what the Bolshie s have done there should be at least $100. bounty on each one of them.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  62. KenH says:

    It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov),

    It’s been proven by several sources that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish. I believe in Lenin, author Dmitri Volkogonov discusses Lenin’s Jewish lineage. Even if Lenin wasn’t part Jewish he was a strident philo-semite and honorary Jew who imposed the death penalty for anti-semitism.

    In the years leading up to the 1917 revolution, Jews were disproportionately represented in all of Russia’s subversive leftist parties.

    Just as they are in America’s leftist parties and organizations. Without Jewish leadership, Jewish money and (((media acclaim))) many of these leftist groups would have collapsed or would be toiling in near obscurity.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  63. @Seraphim

    It’s actually much worse in his case: beyond all the stupidity he believes about socialism as such, he equates the USSR with Russia, which is just absurd. Truly a clueless individual.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  64. @KenH

    It’s possible to play tricks, like Israel Shamir did here recently, to downplay the Jewish role in Bolshevism (e.g. looking at irrelevant metrics of government officials at a sufficiently low level), but those are just sleight of hand. It’s also a myth (that Shamir also subscribes to) that Stalin was anti-Semitic. He was opposed to Organized Jewish threats to his power, but that is something completely different.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @annamaria
  65. utu says:
    @S

    Bolsheviks learned all the lessons from the French Revolution very well and made some improvements. The scale was bigger and it went deeper but is was very similar.

    War in the Vendée
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vendée

    Drownings at Nantes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drownings_at_Nantes

    https://voiceoftruthusa.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/french-revolution-horrors-pregnant-women-ripped-open-fetuses-sliced-to-pieces-sex-with-headless-corpses/

    The Revolutionaries had no intention on showing mercy to the citizens of Vendee. Revolutionary soldiers engaged in many sadistic games with innocent civilians. One of there favorite past times was to slice open pregnant women in order to chop their unborn children into pieces and then let the mothers bleed to death. Another popular practice was to throw children out of windows into a group of soldiers with bayonets. These people were filled with so much bloodlust that Commander Grignon gave the order that everyone they met was to be immediately killed, even if they were supporters of the Revolution.

    Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn described the French Revolution as one huge sadistic sex orgy.

    One can clearly see that the French Revolution was not a glorious event but a disgusting massacre of innocents by sick twisted people. It is interesting to point out that only 8% of the victims of the reign of terror were Aristocrats.

    • Replies: @S
  66. KenH says:
    @annamaria

    The nobility, clergy, highly-educated were particularly targeted by the Soviet secret police.

    That’s because the objective was to eliminate the targeted nation’s leadership strata. The nation then becomes a body without a head an unable to mount a counter revolution. (((They))) succeeded in Russia but failed in Spain. They really failed in Germany which nearly succeeded in smashing Jewish power and influence in Europe for all time.

    The Jews learned from their near total defeats in WWII and have refined their revolutionary techniques accordingly.

    For the last several decades the Jewish media and power structure have been destroying and intimidating potential leaders of the dispossessed and beleaguered white majority in the Western world via smears, character assassination and financial ruination. They’ve even enlisted brainwashed and feckless white goyim to do some of the dirty work.

  67. annamaria says:
    @Ernst Andersson

    “This is purely anti-semitism.”

    — Russia has been a multiethnic society for a long time. Why then this stunning decree from the Bolshevik government?
    “As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.”

    — Do you recognize the familiar trend? Here is a news from Texas: “Texas City Demands Hurricane Harvey Victims Support Israel to Get Relief.” http://www.renegadetribune.com/texas-city-demands-hurricane-harvey-victims-support-israel-get-relief/

    More on the same: “BDS and the “Anti-Semitism” Charge” https://portside.org/2015-06-11/bds-and-anti-semitism-charge-penalties-will-grow-worse-longer-israel-persists-settling

    The fuss about Corbin’s inconvenient decency: https://www.jpost.com/International/UK-Labour-MP-calls-Jeremy-Corbyn-racistand-antisemite-562955

  68. KenH says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Stalin was married to a Jewess and I agree that he wasn’t anti-semitic and only took actions against Jews who he deemed were threats to his power. Jews were still well represented in his government for the most part although evidence exists that Stalin was planning on using the “Doctor’s Plot” to purge the Soviet hierarchy of Jews.

    It kind of seemed that he was becoming anti-semitic and distrustful of Soviet Jewry in his final years.

  69. Wade says:
    @Israel Shamir

    We saw similar executions of Saddam Hussein and of Gaddafi. So it is far from unusual.

    You’re really going to go there? This is a very conspicuous own-goal. Zionist fingerprints are all over the deaths of these two men and the wars against Muslims which proceeded and followed it.

    It is very difficult to meet a Russian who wouldn’t regret the fall of Soviets.

    Yep, thanks to the Jewish Oligarchs who quickly took control in the aftermath of the fall of the USSR. International Jews had gradually lost a bit (but not all) of their hold during the Great Purge, but having migrated, as it where, from Communism to Zionism (with a capitalist bent), the fall of the USSR presented a major opportunity to take complete control back over the Russian economy under the guise of capitalism. Yes, Bill Browder and others no doubt had the cooperation of the CIA in this. Internationalists unite! I guess.

    Ideology is hokum. Everything is as Lenin once said, “Who, Whom?”

  70. @Ernst Andersson

    Why do you need “the straw man”? Do you not have any arguments?

    I do not need one. You obviously do and for the reason you stated, i.e., you have no argument.

    You write: “It seems you may have missed a major point of the article”. Please inform me of “a major point” in the article.

    Here we go…straight from the article.:

    Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country’s total population,[5]they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime,effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years.

    Missed it, didn’t ya?

    Becoming “laughed at” is not very obsessive.

    Hello? Is anyone home? Comments like that are what make people laugh. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  71. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “I now wonder if the jewish bolsjewists had the same idea of improving the world.”

    — Perhaps, some Jewish Bolsheviks were indeed idealistic, though the inordinate presence of the Jews among the sadists of the Soviet secret police does not speak for idealism.

    Pipes and Kennan wrote about the pre-revolution”zemstvos” in Russia, when the wealthy landowners were establishing hospitals and schools for peasantry (as a charity). That was a true practical idealism. The murder of the tsar’s family (including the wife and 5 children) and creation of the “efficient” system of GULAG do not smell idealism but the unscrupulous ambition and thirst for power.

  72. Russ says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    “Russia flowered under Soviets.”

    Weeds or venus flytraps?

  73. @mark green

    …it cannot be denied that anti-Semitism was criminalized in the USSR when the commies came to power. Yet during this same era, thousands of Christian churches were destroyed or converted to other uses in the new ‘people’s paradise’.

    Great point and I can’t wait to read how they respond to it. This oughta be good.

  74. Russ says:
    @Cyrano

    “That was pretty much the Soviet experience, the state helped every individual from the cradle to the grave – education, job, housing, it was all taken care of by the state. ”

    Right. Just as Kavanaugh was all taken care of by Feinstein and Schumer.

  75. @Cyrano

    Oh G-wd, another rant about the false dichotomy between capitalism and communism.

    Plenty of capitalists were Reds and the US, supposedly capitalist, spared nothing in its support of Stalin.

    The “capitalist” US, in fact, has long ago implemented nearly every one of Marx’s 10 Planks, so what does that tell ya?

    Here’s more.:

    The initial funds for the setting up of the Marxist schools [in NYC] were, ironically enough, contributed by wealthy business people who were personally invited to attend dinners at the homes of other men of wealth. They came to hear Earl Browder analyze current events and predict the future with emphasis on the role the Party would play.

    There is no doubt that Earl Browder, as chief of the Communist Party, was close to the seats of world power in those days, and that he knew better than most Americans what was going on, except insofar as events were warped and refracted by his Marxist ideology. The men who paid their hundred-dollar admissions and contributed thus to the school funds became part of the group which Earl Browder was to call the “progressive businessmen,” meaning those who were willing to go along on an international program of communism. The lure was attractive: expanded profits from trade with the Soviets. The price to be paid was unimportant to these well-fed, well-heeled men…

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness Chap 11

  76. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Why don’t you show your scholarship by refuting the article’s statements point by point?

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  77. Cyrano says:
    @2stateshmustate

    So in capitalism you have a freedom to associate? Is that why you government invented multiculturalism? Because they felt that you needed to diversify your portfolio of associates? Can you overrule them on that? That you don’t need so many different people to associate with? Also since you have freedom to associate, have you ever tried to associate with the super-rich? Try crashing some of their parties, see how that goes. You think they’ll respect your freedom to associate, or you’ll be thrown on the street like a bum.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  78. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Kriger

    “Solzhenicin is a liar.”
    — Is this why his book” Two Hundred Years Together” has been sequestrated by all (ALL) publishing houses in the US and UK? And what ethnic group has the power to do the sequestration — and why?
    Perhaps, you need to read the documentary before making your bold statements.

    • Agree: geokat62
  79. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    How true?

  80. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Against all odds, I guess.

    • Replies: @Sergey Kriger
  81. @Seraphim

    The thought that you are the one brainwashed obviously never comes to you. I lived there and education we were receiving was not one conductive to brainwashing process. To brainwash one has to be completely dumbed down the way it is done in western schools.

  82. annamaria says:
    @Cyrano

    “You brainwashed idiots.”

    1. Please, do not equate communism (that never happened in the Soviet Union, btw) with terrorism.
    2. Have you been educated in Israel?

  83. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Talk about yourself. After reading your comments you seem like the one who has no clue.

  84. Andrei Martyanov hits the nail on its head by stating that level of Russian studies is at the very low level in the west. I would go even further. Russia is terrain incognito for 99% of westerners. Reading this garbage and very arrogant comments from majority of the locals it is obvious they have no clue what they are talking about. They look like Europeans of middle ages talking about dog headed people populating some southern countries. Thankfully Russians in vast majority do not share this BS.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  85. You’ll believe any lies that support your prejudices.

  86. annamaria says:
    @mark green

    “…it cannot be denied that anti-Semitism was criminalized in the USSR when the commies came to power. Yet during this same era, thousands of Christian churches were destroyed or converted to other uses in the new ‘people’s paradise’.”

    — There is a tragicomical aspect of the Jewish Power in the US:
    “Why is a menorah allowed on the White House lawn, but not a cross?” http://www.judeofascism.com/2009/12/why-is-menorah-allowed-on-white-house.html

    This situation with menorah and cross is a good reminder of the power of the Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia and of the enormous destruction that was inflicted upon the Russian culture by this power when the cherished centuries-old Christian cathedrals and churches had been ruined in the most barbaric ways. No wonder that the assault on the Russian cultural traditions was accompanied by the Soviet decree making antisemitism a criminal offense.
    See “menorah allowed on the White House lawn, but not a cross.”

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @jacques sheete
  87. annamaria says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “Stalin was anti-Semitic” meme does not hold water. See Lazar Kaganovich, the right hand of Stalin, who survived in the “antisemitic Russia” to the age of 97 (in comforts of his Moscow life):
    “On January 13, 2010, Kiev Appellate Court posthumously found Kaganovich guilty of genocide against Ukrainians.”

  88. Robjil says:
    @KenH

    Stalin was poisoned on Purim 1953. Many Jews celebrate this still today. Here are some of the many articles about it from Jewish sources.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2995717/jewish/The-Miracle-of-Stalins-Death.htm

    “The wondrous timing of Stalin’s death, on Purim, the day of the downfall of Haman, the vicious enemy of the Jewish nation, served to underscore the fact that just as in those days, so too in our times, G‑d stands guard over his children and performed a great miracle for the Jews of the Soviet Empire. ”

    https://www.thejewniverse.com/2017/was-stalins-death-a-purim-miracle/

    “The day before he was to kick off this plan with the “Doctors’ Trial,” in which six Jewish physicians were to be (falsely) tried for attempting to poison him and other Soviet leaders, Stalin “collapsed in a fit of rage,” and to the relief of Jews everywhere, kicked the bucket. ”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/40426

    “According to long-standing Jewish tradition, any ‘miraculous’ deliverance of a Jewish community from disaster at the hands of Jew-haters should continue to be celebrated each year on the appropriate day. Such events, called ‘Little Purim,’ have been celebrated in many communities. In 1996, Dr. Rashin initiated the commemoration of a ‘Little Purim’ in honor of the deliverance of Russian Jewry from the hands of Stalin, and it has since been held in over 100 synagogues across the United States.”

    http://www.rajeon.org/stalin-purim-miracle/

    “That Purim night, a few days before the Jewish doctors were due to go to trial, and just thirty minutes after Rabbi Silver’s foretelling of Stalin’s vulnerable fate, Stalin was said to have “collapsed in a fit of rage” during a meeting in which his supporters expressed opposition to his evil plan, according to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. That Purim, thousands of Jewish prisoners were freed. Joseph Stalin died on March 5, just a few days later, to the great relief of Russian Jewry. “To this day, I am choked with emotion every time I think back to that Purim of miracles,” recounts Mrs. Batyah Barg.”

    “May we continue to re-experience the miracles of our holidays each and every year.”

    ———————————————————————————————————-

    Lots of such “miracles” have happened since then. Some big ones are the following – 1991 war on Iraq ended on Purim, 2003 war on Iraq started on Purim, and 2011 war on Libya started on Purim.

    —————————————————————————————-

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Purim-miracle-of-1953-483994

    “Purim in 1953 fell on March 1. On that day, Haman-Stalin had a stroke. Soon came the tyrant’s death. A heavenly stroke brought down the villain on the eve of the terrible stroke Stalin was about to inflict upon the Jewish people. ”

    ———————————————————————————————–
    Dr. Alexander Rashin has no doubt that Stalin was poisoned that Purim on March 1 1953.

    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/the-whole-megillah-on-stalins-death/

    “Dr. Alexander Rashin, a biophysicist from the former Soviet Union who now lives in Teaneck, N.J, is convinced that the notorious Soviet dictator was poisoned by his closest political close associates on March 1,1953, and did not die of natural causes, as has long been believed. Rashin published a book in 2003 titled “Why Didn’t Stalin Murder All the Jews?” (Liberty Press) in which he asserted that Stalin, who caused the deaths of an estimated 20 million Soviet citizens during his bloody 30-year rule, was probably poisoned by a number of his henchmen, including KGB chief Lavrenti Beria and Stalin’s successors as dictator, Georgy Malenkov and Nikita Khruschev. They all may have feared that Stalin was about to have them arrested and shot. Malenkov and Khruschev had Beria shot several months later. ”

    “Since publishing his book, Rashin has assembled new scientific evidence that the medical symptoms Stalin manifested after suffering his stroke could not have occurred naturally. Rashim cites testimony by Dr. Yuri Polotsky, a specialist in pathologies of infectious deceases, once a senior scientist in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) and today retired and living in Baltimore. Polotsky investigated Stalin’s death and wrote, “I previously never heard about cardiac hemorrhages following a hemorrhaging stroke … [Stalin’s stroke] is strange and atypical. I doubt that such cases are known even statistically.” Polotsky said the death “looks suspicious.” Dr. Alexander Rashin, a biophysicist from the former Soviet Union who now lives in Teaneck, N.J, is convinced that the notorious Soviet dictator was poisoned by his closest political close associates on March 1,1953, and did not die of natural causes, as has long been believed. “

  89. @Seraphim

    Yes! Kruger speaks the truth! So far I did not detect anything false in his statements.

  90. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Kriger

    “Thankfully Russians in vast majority do not share this BS.”

    May I point at your attempt to equate Russian people with the Jewish Bolsheviks?

    The article is not about the quality of education in the USSR — the article is about the lost generations of Russians and about the destruction of a large layer of Russian culture by the obnoxious “idealists” with sadistic inclinations, which belonged to an ethnic minority that hated Russian culture. The same ethnic minority has been ruinous for other countries apart from Russia.

    The history teaches us that the prohibition to criticize a certain group of people only means an inordinate and malicious power of that group. Tell us, why there was a Soviet decree criminalizing the critique of the Jews (Jewish Bolsheviks)? Was this decree related to the destruction of churches and the murder of Tsar’s family, as well as the murder of Russian “intelligentsia,” nobility, clergy, military officers, prosperous peasantry?

    If today some Texans are eligible for help in case of natural disaster ONLY if they pledge support for Israel and reject BDS, and if today academic research in WWII is dangerous because it could offend the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center, then people need an antidote to survive and fight this obscenity. The history of Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia is a good source for developing such antidote.

  91. I wonder if anyone here can help me out. There is a fellow by the name of Colin Liddell who has a blog called “affirmative right”, and he has posted an article which directly contradicts this article. He says, essentially, that the Jewish role within the Communist Party…is a myth. Set him straight, if you will. Here is the article:

    https://affirmativeright.blogspot.com/2018/10/alt-right-lies-russian-revolution-not.html

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Anon
  92. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    It figures. If you can only write first grade English it’s not surprising you write first grade history.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  93. @Cyrano

    Freedom of association works both ways. I don’t have the right to impose myself on the rich or anybody else. And theoretically no one can impose themselves on me.
    I have no desire to be around people that don’t want me around.

  94. @Ben Sanderson

    Little need to respond, since he grants the central point almost immediately, in the lead picture: “over-represented but not dominant”. Everything else is simply nitpicking over details. I assume this guy is some kind of cuck?

    • Replies: @KenH
  95. @Michael Kenny

    Karl Marx’s mentality is pure Jewish. Certain ideologies convert for any gain and any convenience. It is silly to believe that Karl Marx was a Lutheran just like that. Have you never seen a liar?

  96. @Giuseppe

    You stopped thinking a long time ago.

  97. @Sergey Kriger

    You do not “know” history. You know propaganda. And you will never know anything else.

  98. @Cyrano

    Socialism has its good points. And if you are in prison all your needs also taken care of. Will you ever be able to understand nuance, or is it hopeless?

  99. Wally says:
    @Ernst Andersson

    So show us where Weber is wrong.

    “No joke”, but a big bluff, I’m sure.

    anti-semitic:
    any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

  100. Mr Shamir and Mr Krieger have been indoctrinated. The moving finger writes. And having writ moves on. Nor all your piety and wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line. Nor all your tears wash out a word of it. And moreover, Dualism does not recognize any kind of truth; only what it finds useful at that moment.

  101. The Jewishness of the Bolsheviks is well-known. But, once again, people ignore two groups supporting them: American WASP Freemasons (the precursors of present day Christian Zionists) and the Roman Catholic Church.

    Here is a fascinating podcast by Father Matt Raphael Johnson about the Fatima apparitions and what happened in Russia:

    https://www.radioaryan.com/2018/10/the-orthodox-nationalist-orthodox-view.html

    Here is an interesting article:

    https://jaysanalysis.com/2015/02/08/fatima-bankster-fraud-and-the-great-game/

    As usual, it is the cuck Roman Catholic and Protestant males who are at fault.

    Even though this article is about Russia, the Weimar Republic and its problems are blamed on the Jews. Where were the RCC and Lutherans when the Jews were causing problems?

    Today, Jews have their own country. Jews in the West must be sent there. When this is done, the West will have no one to blame for their problems. Westerners must deal with the problems caused by universal brotherhood and universal church.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
    , @Anon
  102. @DESERT FOX

    The point you are making is unfortunately what a lot of people do not appreciate. The modern day Bolshie s would not hesitate to kill millions if it suited them and if they have the opportunity. They are ruthless when it comes to the lives of the goy. Even Christian Zionist goy.

    That’s why I continue to stress the importance of the 2nd Amendment.

    The best way to stop them is to see that articles such as this are read by as many as possible.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Colin Wright
  103. @attilathehen

    I’m an atheist, but I think Mr. Ernst Zundel had a excellent point when suggested that Europeans if they want a religion should chose a European religion such as Paganism rather than take up one of these Middle Eastern religions.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  104. James says: • Website
    @Israel Shamir

    Thank you Israel Shamir, for speaking up for the Russian Revolution. The Russian Revolution was humanity’s best hope for ending the criminal slaughter of 1914-1918 in which 18 million died and for preventing of the even more terrible Second World War in which, according to Wikipedia, between 70,000,000 and 85,000,000 died [1].

    It seems to have become fashionable on otherwise informative websites such as this website – the Unz Review, Veterans Today, The Duran, Russia Insider and others, to condemn the Russian Revolution and its leaders, [2] whilst omitting mention of the criminal actions by the rulers of Russia and its Western allies – France, The United Kingdom and Australia, that helped start the First World War. [3] Had the Russian Revolution spread to Germany, as it almost did between November 1918 and October 1923, Hitler’s seizure of power and all the terrible consequences would have been prevented. See:

    “Buried history: How the spread of the Russian Revolution to Germany could have stopped Hitler” (7/11/2017) at https://candobetter.net/node/5323

    … where I will also be posting this comment.

    FOOTNOTES

    [1] See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths . I had previously thought that the figure was 60,000,000, which is horrific enough.

    [2] As examples of the vilification of the Russian Revolution, see https://russia-insider.com/en/bolsheviks-robbed-russia-what-would-have-been-russian-century/ri24416 https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/untold-history-murder-last-tsar-and-his-family-which-media-have-been-hiding-you/ri24181 https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/07/18/the-brutal-murder-of-tsar-nicholas-ii-and-his-family https://russia-insider.com/en/history/100-years-ago-jewish-communists-slaughtered-tsar-his-wife-children-relatives-and-servants https://theduran.com/lenin-updated-turn-the-globalist-war-into-a-race-war/ . I could have included more, but I feared that the comment management software might prevent this.

    [3] See “The Darkest Days – the Truth behind Britain’s Rush to War, 1914” (2014) “Hell-Bent – Australia’s leap into the Great War” (2014) both by Douglas Newton.

  105. ‘…Anyway, to blame “the Jews” for the horrors of Communism seems no more justifiable than to blame “white people” for Negro slavery, or “the Germans” for the Second World War…’

    The difficulty here is that ‘white people’ and ‘Germans’ are blamed for slavery and the Second World War. What’s more, their accusers are quite complacent about the moral certainty of their attitude.

    So why doesn’t the same assurance follow when it comes to blaming Jewry for Communism et al? Surely, if collective guilt applies to the former groups, it applies to the latter. Isn’t what is sauce for the goose sauce for the gander?

    If there is a moral absurdity about blaming Jews in general for Communism, what about blaming ‘white people’ for slavery? The only one of my ancestors who had any contact with slavery at all that I am aware of was a German immigrant who fought on the Union side in the Civil War. What about blaming ‘Germans’ for the Second World War? Nazism elicited almost no support from German-Americans. Germans in Hungary, Romania, Bessarabia, along the Volga and in Brazil had no say in the matter in any sense at all.

    Collective guilt in general is manifest nonsense; but surely, if it is applicable to others, it is also applicable to Jews.

  106. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    Most Germans of the day were religious, and they elected the National Socialists. That’s what where the Lutherans and the RCC were in Germany when the Jews were causing problems.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  107. @2stateshmustate

    Agree, the Bolsheviks/Zionists proved that they are killers in their attack on the WTC and the excuse that this gave the ziocons in control of the American gov to kill millions in Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and Yemen and Syria and all of this slaughter for Zionist Israel and the Zionist goal of a NWO.

    That carnage is just the recent history of the Bolsheviks/Zionist, what they did in Russia was murder on an industrial scale that dwarfs anything in the history of the world and they are still trying to deny responsibility for this monumental crime against humanity.

    • Agree: Them Guys
  108. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Giuseppe

    Your degree of trust in the person writing here as Israel Shamir suggests that you might be just the person to do the necessary research and then edit the Wikipedia entry on him so that he appears less of a dodgy fantasist who occasionally says something both interesting and correct.

  109. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben Sanderson

    Jews created communism and were dominant in the leadership. There is no denying that fact. They invented Marxism / Communism, were its primary intellectuals, ran the gulags, were a dominant force in the Red Terror, executed the Royal Family, headed its intelligence services, and to this day are dominant in pushing its ideals. Jewish newspapers, to this day, openly support communism in spite of its horrific murder record that dwarfs that claimed for the so called holocaust. Today, Israel has a large, dramatic monument to the Red Army.

    Communism is a facet of Judaism. Any denial of that fact is absolutely dishonest.

  110. @Anon

    Do you keep the same number after Anon? I never have seen this number before.
    What means Disclaimer after your name? Are you editor on this site?
    No offense intended, but my comment are shortened to such extent that certain imagination, perception and certain dose of intelligence and knowledge of the mater is required to understand them. But please do not despair maybe, although not probable you will understand.

  111. You said it better than I could.

  112. Obviously, Stalin committed all those crimes because blacks are inferior.

    • Replies: @hunor
  113. ‘…In spite of (or perhaps because of) the relentless official campaign during the entire Soviet era to stamp out every uncritical memory of the Romanovs and imperial Russia, a virtual cult of popular veneration for Nicholas II has been sweeping Russia in recent years…’

    Curiously, this reminds me of the attempts to venerate Obama. Both rulers were singularly weak and ineffectual men, who involuntarily managed to demonstrate that weakness can be functionally equivalent to evil.

    No, Obama shouldn’t be on Mount Rushmore, and if the Russians want to venerate somebody, they surely can find an object less incongruous than Nicholas II.

  114. renfro says:
    @Israel Shamir

    The Jewish part of the story is also greatly exaggerated,

    Bull. You keep blowing your credibility time after time with this claim.

    We have posted many, many official documents and correspondence between other government officials to their home offices detailing and commenting on the inordinate number of Jews in all ranks of the Bolsheviks.

  115. @Anatoly Karlin

    Is your graph lies or damned lies? I forget.

    You apparently know nothing about Russia. You must be American.

    • Replies: @Wally
  116. @James

    It was the extraordinary anachronistic coupling of (pre Statute of Westminster) Australia with France and the UK as allies of Russia and the “criminal actions” which helped start WW1 that alerted me to the passionate amateur status of this tendentious commenter and put me on to Douglas Newton whose work was unknown to me but I see got a favourable review from Australian Cantabrian Prof Sir Christopher Clark (knighted for his services to Anglo-German relations NB) in The Guardian.

    However the substantial problem is in the idea that the “Russian Revolution was humanity’s best hope of ending the criminal slaughter of 1914-1918”. It just doesn’t make sense. America was in the war, guaranteeing German defeat. So, if Russia had struggled on after the November 1917 revolution it would have made Germany’s March offensive on the Western Front impossible or at least much weaker and it would have meant Russia ended up much less weakened than it was by the Brest-Litovsk Treaty.

    Obviously a Red Revolution in Germany might have stopped Hitler’s rise unless it was itself overthrown by counter revolution which brought Nazis to power earlier or more viciously. So what. Such counterfactual hypotheticals are useless fantasies.

    • Replies: @James
  117. hunor says: • Website
    @obwandiyag

    Very well said. Wat up dog ?

  118. renfro says:
    @annamaria

    I was not aware of this….thanks for link.

    Why is a menorah allowed on the White House lawn, but not a cross?

    WILL THE HANUKKAH MENORAH TOPPLING
    START A TREND?
    (Real Zionist News) — By Brother Nathanael Kapner —

    THE JOINING OF JEWRY’S CULTURAL & POLITICAL DOMINANCE IN AMERICA was recently highlighted in a national event held on the “Ellipse” of the White House south lawn on December 13, 2009.

    The event, The Lighting Of The US National Menorah, was sponsored by the joint collaboration of The American Friends of Lubavitch and the Jewish-dominated Executive Branch of the United States of America. The US Air Force Band was on hand to offer a “trumpet salute” to the new national symbol.

    With a yarmulke on his head, White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, was the guest of honor at this year’s White House Hanukkah celebration. Ascending upon a cherry picker, (paid for by US tax payers), that lifted him up to light one of the candles on the 40-foot-tall US National Menorah, Emanuel stood with Rabbi Levi Shemtov to confer the executive branch’s affirmation of the Jewish holiday.

    Jewry’s oft-asserted “separation of Church and State” was not shouted out by either the ADL or the ACLU in protest of this obvious mixing of religion and government.

    What the Jews really have in mind when calling upon “Separation of Church and State” to protest any public expression of Christianity (not Judaism), is to establish the “Uniting of Synagogue and State” in America.

    Now that Americans have become habituated to saying “Happy Holidays!” instead of “Merry Christmas!” — the Jews, after gaining equal time for their holiday, Hanukkah — have succeeded in TAKING OVER our once Christian season. In other words, give the Jews an inch and they will eventually TAKE IT ALL. (”Happy Holidays!” is a Jewish lie perpetrated in the 1960’s. Prior to that date there was only ONE HOLY DAY in December, and that was Christmas.)

    In America it has become illegal to place a Cross or any Christian symbol on government property. But the Anti-Christ symbol of the Jewish Menorah which makes the statement, “Your Christ Is Not The Messiah,” is not only permitted on government property, but is exalted and applauded.

    Due to the Jewish-run-and-funded ACLU creating a Supreme Court legal precedent allowing “cultural symbols,” that is JEWISH SYMBOLS, as “constitutional cultural displays” – but Christian symbols, as “unconstitutional religious displays” – the Jews have seized rule over religious expression in the public square…MORE…LINK

  119. S says:
    @utu

    Whether it’s the Russian Civil War, Hue in 1968, Germany in 1945, or France in 1792, it’s the same story with the radical left types, ie not just killing their enemies, but overkill on a mass scale with the torture/eye gouging/mutilations, etc.

    No doubt a part of that’s terrorism, but, there seems to be something else going on there besides. Maybe someone here that was of a radical Red persuasion at one time could explain what’s behind that.

    I’ve heard of some that have gotten out of the associated ‘progressive’ movements and they’ve said it was an all consuming hatred motivating a good many of them that drove them out.

    Some clippings below from the March 6, 1794 edition of the Courier of New Hampshire with a report about ‘counter-revolution’ taking place in France and an interesting first hand account of the execution of Marie Antoinette.

    ‘The defection of Marseilles soon produced that of Lyons. This important city became the central point of the counter revolution in the South…’

    Courier of New Hampshire – March 6, 1794

    Her [Queen Antoinette’s] beautiful hair from behind was entirely cut off & her hands were tied behind her back…On her right, upon the cart, was seated the executioner…At half past twelve o’clock the guillotine severed her head from her body. She died in the 38th year of her age…A young man who dipped his pocket handkerchief in the Queen’s blood and pressed it with veneration to his breast, was instantly apprehended. Upon him were found the portraits of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette.

    http://images.rarenewspapers.com/ebayimgs/8.24.2007/image078.jpg

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  120. @James

    “…Buried history: How the spread of the Russian Revolution to Germany could have stopped Hitler” (7/11/2017)…”

    Here’s a heretical thought; why would that have been preferable?

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Wally
  121. @2stateshmustate

    ‘…The point you are making is unfortunately what a lot of people do not appreciate. The modern day Bolshie s would not hesitate to kill millions if it suited them and if they have the opportunity…’

    Bolsheviks are pretty consistent in that respect. It’s essential to kill enormous numbers of people.

  122. @Anon

    It didn’t matter. The RCC and Freemasons were going to work against the Germans. Alice von Hildebrand wrote about how priests in the Vatican worked with Russian communists.

    https://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/the-curious-vatican-omerta-on-communist-infiltration/

    And now, look at what the devil pope Frannie is doing to Europe.

  123. @2stateshmustate

    I’m waiting for pagans to come up with their religions. For example, Sweden is the perfect country for a Swedish pagan revival. Yet, they are doing nothing to save themselves from blacks/Asians/Muslims. Christianity is too intertwined with Western history to get rid of it. It needs to be reformed. Universal brotherhood and universal church are the beliefs that need to go. We need a new church for the West.

  124. @KenH

    ‘…It kind of seemed that he was becoming anti-semitic and distrustful of Soviet Jewry in his final years…’

    I wouldn’t read too much into it. Stalin terrorized just about every other identifiable group in the Soviet Uniom in the course of his career: engineers, peasants, party members, foreign Communists, members of other minorities…

    Why not Jews? They were about due. It’s a bit like the pigs squealing on the farm that they’re about to be slaughtered. And? The lambs, chickens, steers, and ducks all had their turn. Now it’s time for the pigs.

    • Replies: @S
    , @Wizard of Oz
  125. @bjondo

    ‘Scum being scum:

    Palestinian Woman Stoned to Death by Israeli Settlers…’

    She seems to have been a lovely woman, too — the pictures of her and her children are charming. It’s heartbreaking reading about such an unnecessary crime being committed by such vermin.

  126. S says:

    Hmm, thinking about the paid ‘demonstrators’ making their appearance the past few months and the 1794 newspaper’s description of ‘an immense mob’…some things indeed haven’t changed.

    The one clipping didn’t copy.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  127. @utu

    ‘Whose execution in America would have similar symbolic power to make the destruction of the system seem irreversible?’

    That’s intriguing. Oprah Winfrey?

    Obama?

    Jennifer Anniston?

    Taylor Swift!

  128. renfro says:
    @James

    So you’re a communist.

  129. S says:
    @Colin Wright

    Regarding foreign communists I read a book once by a Yugoslavian Communist party member of college age who’d gone to Moscow during the 1930’s to get additional training and indoctrination. He wound up getting picked up and arrested in a sweep of the capital ordered by Stalin apparently simply because he was a foreigner.

    That he was a party member himself didn’t matter or protect him; he was given a twenty year sentence to the Gulag. It was only Stalin’s death in 1953 and a general amnesty issued by Kruschev that got him released. Ironically, considering that he was almost certainly an atheist, he angrily concluded after getting back to Yugoslavia that Russia was a ‘Godforsaken’ country.

    I’ve also heard accounts about starry eyed would be revolutionarys from the US traveling to ‘the worker’s paradise’ of the Soviet Union during the 1930’s, being arrested, and never heard from again.

    Supposedly even nowadays on occasion people from the US or Europe visiting remote areas of Red China will disappear and it’s thought North Korea is behind what might be kidnappings.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  130. @S

    OOOOOOOOOOOH!
    I don’t know.
    Some fifty years ago I was working with some Frenchman, and he did tell me this story.
    The story of French revolution was that Jews bought up all grain in France and than they stopped to supply the mils, and so bakeries in Paris had no flour to bake bread.
    It would align with Marie’s declaration “Let them eat cakes”
    All that seems far out to me.
    But than Jakobeen wing in Parliament led by Robespierre was quite substantial.

    • Replies: @S
  131. Druid says:
    @Ernst Andersson

    Puhhhhleeeaaase with the anti-semitism canard!

  132. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    So show us specifically what’s wrong with Karlin’s graph.

  133. @renfro

    Does it have to be either or? Friedrich List listed (sorry:) a way to appease all but the antisocial extremists of both camps with a mixed economy. Didn’t the US have something close to that once?

  134. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    Thanks Colin, I was thinking the same thing.

    Answer the question, James.

  135. @Colin Wright

    What’s become of the theory that Stalin’s move against Jews started sometime in the 30s as a move against Trotskyite internationalists? On that theory Jews were vastly over represented with the faction(s) that wanted to pursue world revolution rather than consolidate Soviet strength by socialism in one country. This can make sense if one sees Stalin’s central objection not so much as his problem with Trotskyites’ central idea but with the inevitably bloody overthrow of his faction that would be involved – and was very likely being planned regardless of how the new leadership might actually change policies.

  136. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Can you explain the arrival of Lenin? I have heard this discussed before I knew any of the October revolution, but my memory is that Lenin was an agent of the British and French Zionist.. bankers and their corporations.
    the Zionist in 1896 or so, targeted the Ottoman empire because it had so much oil
    Zionist failed at Salonika to defeat the Ottoman; the Jewish Merchants there got burned out (1906 I think)
    many Salonika Jewish refugees went to St. Petersburg. most of the others to NYC.
    It was the Zionist quest for oil that brought Lenin to Russia to organize the revolution; and it was many
    years is the preparation and therefore ripe for change.

    Russia had to be taken out in order to keep Russia from assisting Germany participate in the oil to be had from the Ottoman (Middle East).
    I have long wondered how to integrate this data into what others are saying?
    any light on this would be useful?

    • Replies: @Sergey Kriger
  137. Them Guys says:
    @Ernst Andersson

    Notice that when their genocide of over 60 million Christians was under way, the tribe boasted that Communism was theirs. Now that the death toll of Judeo-Communism is well-known, the tribe pretends they had nothing to do with it:

    “Some call it Marxism – I call it Judaism.”
    Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935

    “The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution”
    The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250

    “Jewry is the mother of Marxism.”
    Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936

    [MORE]

    “Judaism is Marxism, communism”
    Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 64

    “The communist soul is the soul of Judaism.”
    Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 143

    “We Jews cannot be called upon to denounce Communism.”
    The American Hebrew (New York), February 3, 1939, p. 11

    “The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry.”
    The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51

    “It would be absurd to deny the intensity of the Jewish participation in the Russian revolutionary movement.”
    Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York) July-September 1932, p. 106

    “That achievement – the Russian-Jewish revolution – destined to figure in history as the overshadowing result of World War, was largely the outcome of Jewish thinking, of Jewish discontent, of Jewish effort to reconstruct.”
    The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

    “The Bolshevik Government of Russia is the key-stone of the arch of the proof of the Jewish conspiracy for radicalism and world-domination.”
    William Hard, The Great Jewish Conspiracy (New York: American Jewish Book Company, 1920), p. 31

    “The Jewish elements provide the driving forces for communism”
    Dr. Oscar Levy, in George Pitt-Rivers, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution (Oxford, 1920), p. ix

    “The Jews [have been] furnishing for the Bolsheviks the majority of their leaders”
    The Jewish World (London), April 16, 1919, p. 11

    “Russian Jews have taken a prominent part in the Bolshevist movement”
    The American Hebrew (New York), November 18, 1927, p. 20

    “Jewry has come to wield a considerable power in the Communist Party.”
    Dr. Avrahm Yarmolinsky, in The Menorah Journal (New York), July 1928, p. 37

    “The East-Side Jew [Trotsky] that Conquered Europe”
    The liberator (New York), March 1920, pp. 26-27

    “The real East Sider [New York Jew Trotsky] is at the head of things in Russia.”
    M. L. Larkin, in The Public (New York), November 23, 1918, p. 1433

    “It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism; all this is in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews.”
    Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites
    (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 148

    “Karl Marx, who came from an old family of rabbis and brilliant Talmudic scholars, was to point the path of victory for the proletariat.”
    L. Rennap, Anti-Semitism and the Jewish Question (London, 1942), p. 31

    “Among his [Karl Marx’s] ancestors were Rabbis and Talmudists, men of learning and keen intellect.”
    Henry Wickham Steed, in The American Hebrew (New York), December 9, 1927, p. 206

    “The peculiarly Jewish logic of his [Karl Marx’s] mind”
    Henry Wickham Steed, in The American Hebrew (New York), December 9, 1927, p. 206

    “Mr. Wickham Steed lays the rise of Bolshevism at the doors of Jewry.”
    The Jewish Guardian (London), November 28, 1924, p. 4

    “The Bolshevik Revolution has emancipated the Jews as individuals”
    Dr. Avrahm Yarmolinsky, in The Menorah Journal (New York), July 1928, p. 33

    “There are many Bolshevik leaders of Jewish extraction”
    D. L. Sandelsan, in The Jewish Chronicle (London), February 20, 1920, p. 22

    “There is no Jew who does not hope with all his heart that the Soviet Union will survive and be victorious”
    Zionist Review (London: Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland), September 26, 1941, p. 7

    “Communism and internationalism are in truth and in fact great virtues. Judaism may be justly proud of these virtues”
    Harry Watan, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites
    (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 80

    “If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist internationalism … then the Jewish race is doomed.”
    George Marlen, Stalin, Trotsky, or Lenin (New York, 1937), p. 414

    “The [Jewish] Commissars were formerly political exiles. They had been dreaming of revolution for years in their exile in Paris, in London, in New York, in Berlin, everywhere and anywhere. They saw in the Bolshevist Movement an opportunity of realizing the extreme ideas of Communism and internationalism to which their fate had compelled them.”
    Dr. D. S. Pazmanik, in The Jewish Chronicle (London), September 5, 1919, p. 14

    “There is no official anti-Semitism in Russia; anti-Semitism in Russia is a crime against the State.”
    Dr. Chalm Weizmann, The Jewish People and Palestine (London: Zionist Organization, 1939), p. 7

    “Anti-Communism is anti-Semitism.”
    Jewish Voice (New York: National Council of Jewish Communists), July-August 1941, p. 23

    “The part which Jews play in the [Communist] Government of the country [Russia] does not appear to be declining”
    Harry Sacher, in The Jewish Review (London), June-August 1932, p. 43

    “The Jews have a right to subordinate to themselves the rest of mankind and to be the masters over the whole earth. This is the historic destiny of the Jews”
    Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), pp. 99-100

    “We Jews, we the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. Nothing that you will do, will meet our needs and demands. We will destroy because we need a world of our own.”
    Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, page 155

    “The Russian intelligentsia . . . saw in the philosophy of Judaism the germs of Bolshevism – the struggle of … Judaism versus Christianity.”
    Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York, July-September 1932, p. 105

    “Soviet Russia has declared war on Christianity, and on those who profess this faith. In the Russian villages today Bolsheviks and Herbert H. Lehman . . . were called the ‘secret government of the United States’ and were linked with ‘world communism.’”
    Dr. Louis Harap, in Jewish Life (New York), June 1951, p. 20

    From and Much, Much, More to research at website of….

    http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html

    Be Sure to check out all the rest of this website too! Documented, Vetted, Proofs galore on many more issues and topics also.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  138. Them Guys says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Zionism is Communism for Jews.

    Communism is Zionism for Gentile Goyim.

    Both a Jewish invention, both Run by and Profited from by, Jews.

    • Replies: @redmudhooch
  139. @S

    For what it’s worth, I, for one, am happy that you, a commenter of substance, has decided to post here. Thank you.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @S
  140. @renfro

    So you’re a communist.

    Who quotes Wikipedia.

    He must also think he’s a comedian.

  141. @Them Guys

    5 star comment, complete with evidence.

    Notice that when their genocide of over 60 million Christians was under way, the tribe boasted that Communism was theirs. Now that the death toll of Judeo-Communism is well-known, the tribe pretends they had nothing to do with it:

    It’s pretty typical for the likes of them to not only change what’s fashionable, but to change their claims to it as you’ve so excellently illustrated.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  142. For example, the US offered the Jews a home when they were expelled from central Europe, and they became a rich and successful minority. They were free to practice their religion, engage in ethnic networking, take top positions in Congress, the administration, media, finance and the legal system, and their version of history was taught in schools. Hardly an oppressed minority.

    So why not just enjoy being rich and successful Americans?

    Substitute “Germans” for “Americans” and you’d have a good picture of Jews in pre-war Germany as well. Assimilated Jews in Germany did well and considered themselves as German as anyone until the Reds started their crap there. It was part of the “worldwide revolution” to save humanity, you know…!

    For some reason the Red apologists and “anti-Germanites” conveniently forget such “minor” points. 😉

  143. @annamaria

    See “menorah allowed on the White House lawn, but not a cross.”

    In my moderate sized town the public square, which used to have typical Christmas decorations during that season, now only has a menorah displayed as well, and the great majority of the population is supposedly Christian. Even the displays outside the churches are muted compared with only a few years back, and I’ll probably live to see those banned and replaced with a menorah too.

  144. Russ says:
    @mark green

    A note-perfect response to the concocter of “Communism is Christianity minus God; secularised Christianity, in learned words.” [In Talmudically learned words …] It was a failure in the days of St. Paul; it is a failure in the incarnation Bernie Sanders now schlepps; it has been a failure at every point in between save for in increasing human misery. That this turd of a political philosophy is now undergoing polishing by those who would extol the Bolshevik prime movers is very, very telling.

  145. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Maybe that had something to do with his family being in France?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  146. Russ says:
    @Giuseppe

    “Israel Shamir clearly debunked this myth of the Jews and Bolshevism and supported it in excruciating detail with archival evidence in Russian.”

    All that’s clear from it is that pursuit of a narrow path of specific research did not yield the connections revealed by broader paths of general research, corroborated by reams of contemporaneous publications by those then PROUD of the connections.

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
  147. S says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I once came across a similar, but much more elaborate and detailed account (not to mention quite convincing) that involved in part the loans required at the time by the cash strapped French government of the latter 1780’s to purchase the flour (with which to feed the public) were discontinued.

    These banks were said to be London based.

    While France had indeed been hurt financially by its support of the 1776 North American Revolution (a revolution I submit in all likelyhood was ultimately a planned geo-political ‘false split’ between the US and UK) according to this account that by itself was not enough to tip the scales solidly against France as it were.

    Further later financial machinations had been required that literally manipulated and pushed the whole of France, against her will, into such a dire economic position that violent revolution was practically unavoidable.

    It’s a truism that following the money trail behind events often reveals much.

  148. S says:
    @jacques sheete

    Thanks for the kind words jacques sheete. They are very much appreciated.

    This site has a great many highly interesting posters.

  149. James says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Sergei Krieger wrote: “Excellent post!” (http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2570880).

    Thank you, Sergei!

    Wizard of Oz,

    Firstly, Thank you for having shown some interest in the Australian author Douglas Newton. I understand that, in spite the quality of the two books I have referred to Douglas Newton, unlike me, does not see the 1917 Russian Revolution as having been beneficial for humankind.

    You wrote: “However the substantial problem is in the idea that the “Russian Revolution was humanity’s best hope of ending the criminal slaughter of 1914-1918″. It just doesn’t make sense. America was in the war, guaranteeing German defeat. So, if Russia had struggled on after the November 1917 revolution it would have made Germany’s March offensive on the Western Front impossible or at least much weaker and it would have meant Russia ended up much less weakened than it was by the Brest-Litovsk Treaty.” (http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2570985)

    Please explain how the German victory in 1918 would have been any less a setback for humanity than the defeat of “Germany’s March offensive on the Western Front” and the consequent 1919 Treaty of Versailles?

    It seems to me that by holding Germany solely responsible for the outbreak of war and imposing huge reparations on Germany, the victorious Entente made more likely the rise of Hitler and the outbreak of another war.

    You continued: “Obviously a Red Revolution in Germany might have stopped Hitler’s rise unless it was itself overthrown by counter revolution which brought Nazis to power earlier or more viciously.”

    Clearly capitalism failed in Germany in the years prior to 1933. Why are you presuming that the socialist policies of a KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands) government in Germany could not have worked?

    In fact, history has given one example where socialism has worked: Cuba since 1959. Cuba has Universal free health, education, health care and other government services in spite of the United States’ blockade, subversion and invasion threats since 1959. Cuban doctors have also been providing great services elsewhere in to many countries in Africa and South America.

    Compare that to the United States where tertiary education requires life-long indebtedness and the medical system is a shambles.

    The Above comment has also been posted to the article “Buried history: How the spread of the Russian Revolution to Germany could have stopped Hitler” (7/11/2017) mentioned above at https://candobetter.net/comment/237925#comment-237925 .

  150. annamaria says:
    @James

    James, read books on the Russian history.

    If anything, the Bolshevik revolution had stunted the cultural and industrial development in Russia.

    It was the mighty intellectual and moral potential accumulated during the second half of the 19th century, which allowed Russia to survive Bolshevism against all odds.

    What you call “the best hope” was a mass slaughter of the best and brightest in Russia (Russian empire was an multiethnic state), which resulted in a horrific damage to the genetic pool and national psyche. The country went through the misery and terrible sufferings, which certainly added the survival value to Russian character.

    If you are so eager for the “best hope,” simply imagine yourself living in a squalor, having your loved ones murdered in GULAG or tortured to death by Soviet secret police. Your post is an example of a cynical and heartless attitude to other peoples’ sufferings, since your mind is focused on one thing — the rise of Hitler and the alleged Jewish Holocaust. Before the alleged Jewish Holocaust, there was a real mass slaughter of Russians, which was perpetrated by Bolshevik terrorists many of whom were Jewish Bolsheviks.
    Stay on point, James.

  151. mh505 says:
    @Brabantian

    Whom To Believe?

    If there is an answer to this question, it will not come from either of those authors, even though Weber’s account seems to have more merit overall.

    Mr Shamir, who is great on Isreal and contemporary Russia, seems to close both eyes when it comes to (Jewish) Bolsheviks and their very real crimes

  152. Anon[529] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franz

    “A certain world ended a century ago. Those still here have to recognize we never actually recovered.“

    Some days I tend to agree, and yet cannot. For I have children, and wish for beauty and charity and truth in the world which they’ll inhabit. Something more truly human than the present moral confusion and flight from suffering.

    Not only will, but also memory, imagination, reason and heart are components of the human person. With memory of our best creations, and some imagination for carrying them forward, we can build anew such a world. The will we lost as a civilization can be recovered, in faith.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Franz
  153. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘What’s become of the theory that Stalin’s move against Jews started sometime in the 30s as a move against Trotskyite internationalists? ‘

    It strikes me that rather than an alternative to my explanation, the above would merely be a special case of it. Sure, Stalin’s move against Jews could have been an attack on Trotskyists internationalists. However, the point is that Stalin’s whole career consisted of successively terrorizing one group after another. He ruled by terror; and the way to maintain that terror was to always have a victim being visibly singled out and persecuted. Seen in this light, it would have been conspicuous if Jews hadn’t ever been singled out. Everyone else seems to have been at some point between about 1930 and 1953.

  154. @James

    ‘…In fact, history has given one example where socialism has worked: Cuba since 1959. Cuba has Universal free health, education, health care and other government services in spite of the United States’ blockade, subversion and invasion threats since 1959. Cuban doctors have also been providing great services elsewhere in to many countries in Africa and South America…’

    Cuba was also massively subsidized by the Soviet Union. Who are you suggesting would subsidize a 1920’s Communist Germany? It would be a bit big to adopt — and 1920’s Russia wasn’t in much of a position to play sugar daddy.

    It’s a bit beside the point, but I also find it curious how Communist tyranny can be quite acceptable, when others aren’t. Castro murdered twenty five thousand people or so over the course of his rule. Proportionately, that’s vaguely similar to Franco’s Spain or Pinochet’s Chile. Yet no one holds up Franco or Pinochet as guides to the good life.

    • Replies: @James
  155. Giuseppe says:
    @Russ

    Shamir appears to have no particular reason to disbelieve that Jews comprised a disproportionate number of Bolsheviks other than it simply isn’t true. He has certainly stuck his neck out on a number of other Jewish questions. My reading of Shamir has demonstrated he is willing to dispassionately go wherever the truth leads him regardless of the consequences. In this he is driven by the pursuit of truth and not by ideology. His debunking of this myth is compelling, reasoned and backed with hard evidence.

    Shamir, a native Russian speaker, cited and produced original sources in Russian from the Soviet archives. Weber cites secondary sources. If you have reams of evidence from primary sources supporting an overwhelming Jewish leadership of Bolshevism, produce it so that we may judge the value of your words.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  156. @S

    ‘…Regarding foreign communists I read a book once by a Yugoslavian Communist party member of college age who’d gone to Moscow during the 1930′s to get additional training and indoctrination…’

    Less dramatically, my grandfather was an oil geologist who went to the Soviet Union in the early thirties.

    I’ve read some correspondence between him and my grandmother. She wants to join him along with their young daughter. He’s tactful, but definitely pours cold water on the idea. ‘This is a great place…no, I don’t think you should come.’ I imagine he had figured out his mail was getting read.

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  157. @Beefcake the Mighty

    If Mayakovsky was executed in 1941 why were his poems still in my reading book in the middle of forties?

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  158. @anon

    What to explain there? He wanted to be where revolution was. It w as s goal of his whole life. He did not even envision February revolution and few months before it started he wrote that they old men would not live to see the revolution. The moment events started he and his comrades were doing a natural thing. Trying every possible way to get back to Russia to start doing what they wrote preparing for many years. Germans might have had their ideas about using Lenin but you should know about useful idiots.

  159. @annamaria

    I am not trying to make a living from this. Also, responding to every idiocy on this site would drain my brain. I have more serious things to do than to waste my time on refuting long time ago refuted lies. You better concentrate your bleeding heart on what happened in 1991 real tragedy that keeps bleeding Russia.

  160. Mike P says:
    @Anon

    “A certain world ended a century ago. Those still here have to recognize we never actually recovered.“

    With memory of our best creations, and some imagination for carrying them forward, we can build anew such a world. The will we lost as a civilization can be recovered, in faith.

    Beautifully said – thank you.

  161. @annamaria

    You guess wrong. Your guess shows you have no knowledge about what really was going on after civil war ended. Like most of posters here you concentrate on Jews, supposed fantastic numbers of victims but not on processes that started with the end of civic war in 1921. Are you aware of the first decrees bolsheviks issued? Are you aware that social lifts became opened and free education for all allowed millions who never had chance before to move from villages to become engineers, officers, scientists and leaders of the country? What do you think, first man in space, first nuclear station and other miracles happened against all odds and not due to bolsheviks long term policies and efforts? It is akin claiming li in e some morons do that Soviet union won the war not thanks to stalin leadership but doing things contrary to what stalin intended. Not smart.

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  162. S says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sounds like you had a wise grandfather.

    Very probably his mail was being read. And he very well may have had a personal ‘minder’ keeping a close eye on him as well.

    I imagine he had some interesting stories to tell about his trip to the Soviet Union provided he ever talked of the experience.

    Was it to Baku or environs (if you don’t mind saying) that he traveled to?

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  163. annamaria says:
    @Giuseppe

    “Weber cites secondary sources”

    — Since then Winston Churchill assessment of the ethnicity of the leading Bolsheviks is a “secondary source?”
    “With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of leading figures are Jews” (1920, The Illustrated Sunday Herald).

    Look at the declarations about the Bolshevik revolution by the Jewish contemporaries:

    “The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry.”
    The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51

    “It would be absurd to deny the intensity of the Jewish participation in the Russian revolutionary movement.”
    Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York) July-September 1932, p. 106

    “That achievement – the Russian-Jewish revolution – destined to figure in history as the overshadowing result of World War, was largely the outcome of Jewish thinking, of Jewish discontent, of Jewish effort to reconstruct.”
    The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

    “The Jews [have been] furnishing for the Bolsheviks the majority of their leaders”
    The Jewish World (London), April 16, 1919, p. 11

    “Russian Jews have taken a prominent part in the Bolshevist movement”
    The American Hebrew (New York), November 18, 1927, p. 20

    There is question for you, “Giuseppe,” re primary sources:
    Why the readers do not have an access to the primary sources as they are quoted in “Two Hundred Years Together?”
    Why all (ALL ) publishing houses in the US and UK refuse to publish a translated documentary about Jews in Russia — written by a Nobel Prize Laureate in Literature?
    What is so terribly inconvenient for the Jewish Power in the DOCUMENTARY “Two Hundred Years Together” that the documentary has become a prohibited book? http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/

    Compare the highly aggressive attempts at suppressing the factual information about the Bolshevik revolution with the suppression of the academic research in the WWII. The revision of the Bolshevik revolution is encouraged. When the research in the WWII contradicts the Holo-biz memes it is punished. Don’t you see the whitewashing of the Jewish crimes in Russia vs the emphasis (dishonest?) on the Jewish “eternal and incomparable victimhood?”

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  164. @annamaria

    Bolshevik revolution stunted cultural and industrial development. You should have just stopped there. I guess you have obtained this what if wisdom from reading too much of Mr. Carlin. Somehow it escapes your attention that somehow despite multi decades efforts prior to bolsheviks coming to power and winning civic war Russia was consistently and increasingly falling behind major powers in industrial development OP moment and population educational level. Somehow after those bolsheviks put their hands upon that task within mere 20 years after civic war Soviet un i.p.o n turned into world premier industrial power that under severe sucumsyances outmanufactured the whole Europe. What about great flowering of the culture under bolsheviks in theater, music, cinema and books? Before the revolution culture was only available to minoscule minority. The revolution opened it and made available for all. What about after the 1991 contrevolution? What is current state of Russian culture? You most probably do not pay attention.

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    , @annamaria
  165. Well, all the sources this author mentions/offers are, or US Americans, or British, or from the Netherlands….
    Well we have not but to see how much all of these countries love Russian people today, by witnessing how they treat the current Russian capitalist (on would say even neoliberal ) government, to be sure how much they loved the Russian people along history and how good wishes they kept always towards Russia and Russians….Just the Netherlands has declared to be in a state of “cyberwarfare” with Russia….LOL!
    But how about the loving Britons, and even more, the oustanding love Mr. Churchill always harbored towards the Russian people….Let´s test it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

    So loving, indeed……da!

    To offer, one more time, that ínclito Robert Conquest´s pseudo-testimony, widely discredited by seasoned scholars around the world´s academy, and even by he himself, finally confessing being a MI6 spy, with which his proven role in a propaganda operation by Anglo-American intelligence services is out of any doubt, gets with all the article to where it belongs…the trash bin…

    On the other hand, to affirm that “finally, the last decades of Tsarist Russia witnessed a magnificent flowering of cultural life” is a lie like a truck, if not related to the Tsarist court and elites, who were the only ones who not only were able to access education, but were also the only ones able to witness, for example, the wonders of the Winter Palace, today L´Hermitage Museum.
    What took place during the last decades of Tsarist Russia was an indecent accumulation of art work and jewelery, bought around the whole Europe and the world, especially during the kingdom of Katherine the Great (… great especially for herself, who had even especial rooms for her lovers in palace, and one each malaquite room and amber room, the latter covered with this luxurious mineral from the floor to the top… this is why bringing in this dinasty, or any other in Europe, as an ephitome representative of Christianity makes me lmao… ), amongst the depleted lives her subdits were condemned to live.

    It was not till the take over of the Winter Palace, when a simple proletarian could enjoy a bit of European culture and get astonished in front of the scandalously over the top style of life of the tsars and their courtesans. One has not but to walk along the Hermitage Palace today, or witness the Treasure in the Kremlin, to understand the faces those comrades would had kept with ( whom needed some hours to find the well hided Provisional Government of Kerensky in the unending number of rooms the Winter Palace has… ) in front of such obscen display of extravagance….Even I myself got with my mouth opened….imagining those impoverished comrades with their souls fallen to the feet level witnessing what they could not even to imagine it existed….

    While I do not agree in the Tsar and family being summarily executed, but I would have preferred a public trial for the people to know all their crimes and negligences, so that the Russians would had kept immunized from monarchy for the rest of their days, I must say that the reason why the countesses were not “cut down in a hail of gunfire…and…. were finished off with bayonets”, was because they wore an armor of jewelery they dressed up every morning, hoping for their rescue by the White Russians…..The thing is that to this familiy gave it really a damn the Russian people whom they kept in the most absolute ignorance and illiteracy.

    It is precisely the transeuropean character of the Tsars which demonstrates that they do not have other motherland than that of power or money, independently of the country they would have to live in. The proof of the “deep love” of the Russian nobility for Russia was the velocity with which they left for abroad, with all their riches, and where most of the money was placed, instead of staying in their beloved Russia, including the remaining Romanovs, who live the great life in one the most sunny regions of Spain. The sad reality is that Nicholas II evaded himself from the urgent problems the Russian empire he was supposed to rule was experiencing by passing long stays in Tsarkoye Selo, in the outskirts of St. Petersburg, ignoring his obligations.

    Reforms directed to ameliorate a bit the conditions of the Russian workers and peasantry, when the streets wera already a clamor ( not because of the good will of any noble or tsar ), were advised by no other than Sergey Witte, whom, through the “October Manifesto”, advised, amongst many other liberties, the Tsar Nicholas II to liberate peasants from serfdom, an advise especially ignored by Stolypin ( whom he himself kept a astonishing number of serfs in their own lands ) and whom even appropiated for himself the autorship of some of the reforms when Witte was definitely ostracized from the court….The Tsars were the promoters and financers of the “Black Hundreds” ( species of death-squads, integrated amongst other thugs by some pseudo-clerics, hence the grudges some bolsheviks kept against the “Church”…), who dedicated themselves to spread terror by killing dissidents, especially Jews, a la Ukrainian Right Sektor style…in the so called “Pogroms”….Thus, too much for freedom of press, association, assembly and so on.
    If more proof is needed on that there was no any kind freedom in Tsarist Russia, except for to loot and exploit the peasants/citizens, the least freedom of unions, there it is that the first detentions of comrade Stalin before the revolution were for spreading revolutionary propaganda amongst workers…he himself was an apprentice of the Tbilisi railways….( which never stopped being, as he himself said…) What freedom of press is this author talking about….?.

    For not having, the Russians under Tsarist rule, have not even freedom of movement, as the flagrant case of the “Pale of Settlement” for the confinement of Jewish people directly proves. The Tsarist regime, in its final years, was in a serious trouble, not in a florecient state at all, and its precarious situation, with increasingly crowded demonstrations by workers and peasants claiming for a betterment of life and work conditions, widely ignored by the monarchy who decided to be blind and deaf, culmined with the carnage of “Bloody Sunday”, which was the drop that filled the glass in the collection of arbitrarities which led to the revolution of the masses, amongst whom, of course, there were a bunch of consequently outraged Jews…how not?
    It was precissely Stolypin, by organizing this repressions in 1905, who gave the last push for the revolution to explode….Thus not a so worthly regarded figure, if not for the current conservatives at power in Russia….Had the advises by Sergey Witte been took into account, maybe, the revolution, which is always a tragedy, especially for the dispossesed of the world, whom are whom in most numbers die during it and suffer the hard times in the aftermath without any possibility to migrate, maybe…it could had been avoided….
    Now you tell me, how many monuments to Sergey Witte we see today in Russian or former Soviet space? One would say that a government ´s quality is of the same size of the monuments it erects….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Witte

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Manifesto

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

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  166. @annamaria

    James, read books on the Russian history.

    You have to specify what “books”, if you are talking about Western in general, and American in particular historiography of Russia–it is mostly pseudo-academic Kustinian trash, written by either Russophobic Jews such as Pipes’ family, among many others, clueless bimbos such as Anne Applebaum married to high ranking Polish official, or altogether complete nutjobs such as late Zbig etc. Same goes for so called Russian White immigration, which, with some minor exceptions, dedicated all of its existence to justifying how they literally screwed Russia so badly.

    So, forgive me, but most so called Russian “scholars” in the West have no clue–they don’t speak Russian, they know nothing about Russian culture and, in general, very many of them subsist of NGO and intelligence services’ grants. The proof? How about reading contemporary, even today’s, news. As I already stated, Russia for many Western and American patriots is merely a vehicle (that is why most people here have no concept of flow of history) in fighting many personalities’ here obsession (sometimes justified, sometimes not) with Israel and Jews. It is a sublimation of a grave complex of inferiority of people who sold out their own country to powerful Israeli interests (and not them alone) or at least didn’t try to interfere openly, such as deeply respected by me Phil Giraldi, despite me not always agreeing with him, and these are the same people who cherry pick mostly US produced “history” written by propagandists. All of this is done to find this excuse fro own failure and frustration, that is why Russia’s history is a mere fantasy served only to reinforce the “argument”.

    History is not a science–it becomes one only when all serious causalities are investigated–for that most (not all) “historians” have no qualifications since operate with abstract texts and most have no military, industrial, intelligence, real scientific or any other real experiences and that is the foundation of the Western so called “political science” which doesn’t know shit from shinola. I am writing a second book on that. That is also why all these, esteemed here, “historians” and pseudo-“scholars” are flatly rejected in Russia as either marginal propagandists or fabricators, who they really are. But, of course, what do I know.

    If anything, the Bolshevik revolution had stunted the cultural and industrial development in Russia.

    Yeah, I am sure Russian Imperial General Staff officers and academics who produced Military Statistical Digests prior to 1917 will fully “support” your assertion, LOL. You really need to read, say, General Denikin’s (a major figure in White movement and Russian immigration) memoirs on how, say, “culturally not stunted” literate NCOs were treated as a fine jewelry, since were such a rare occurrence, in otherwise “culturally and industrially developed” Russian Army in WW I.

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  167. Robjil says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    The first twenty years under the Soviets were under Jewish Uber Alles control – 1918-38. Stalin, even though he had a Jewish wife, he had enough of this endless Jewish control. So, he countered it. He ended up being poisoned on Purim day in 1953 and dying a few days later. Yes, the Soviet Union worked better when it was not under control of a tiny ethnic group. No nation should be under control of a tiny ethnic group that thinks other ethnic groups as nothing but trash or animals. The US is going through the 1918-38 time that Russia had now.

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  168. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Kriger

    “Your guess shows you have no knowledge about what really was going on after civil war ended. … Not smart.”
    — Where to begin… Have you heard about Moscow School of Mathematics (the beginning of the 19th century) and the spiritual father of Tsiolkovsky? — This is re the first man in outer space.

    What about the implementation of Stolypin reforms and the highly effective work of the “zemstvos?” — This is re general education and medical services.

    Have you heard about Silver Age?

    One more time: Russia had been developing with amazing speed during pre-WWI time. The Bolshevik (terrorist) revolution of 1918 had stunted the development and inflicted a tremendous damage to Russian culture, Russian psyche, and national gene pool.
    Russia survived as a country and civilization (barely) thanks the enormous potential accumulated in the 19th century through the highly effective interaction with European culture and thanks to her exceptional national vigor.

    Perhaps, the name “propagandist” does indeed fit you.

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  169. @Anon

    The thought occurred to me but, apart from not being sure it was 100 per cent true I dismissed it as a reason because clearly their was no suggestion that a trial could be mounted against them in the way deemed necessary to justify killing Charles l. (And I might have added that they weren’t in Drogheda or Wexford either).

  170. @Robjil

    The first twenty years under the Soviets were under Jewish Uber Alles control

    Well, that is true but only to a certain degree (in the end, US neocons have a vast and powerful non-Jewish WASP strata, as an example) and Russian both Revolutions had very little to do with Jews. In the end, Nikita Khrushchev, party’s big honcho since 1930s had his hands covered in blood and he was Russian. In fact, he was the guy who beat allegedly all-powerful Jews to the top position in party and, mind you, Nikita was a certified moron. Stalin purges were against Trotskists, who to a significant degree were Jewish, but there was a lot of non-Jewish, especially Civil War, nutjob trash which required removal. But first twenty years were way more complex that some apocalyptic stand-off between Jews and non-Jews in the party but was about development strategy against the background of approaching WW II. Litvinov was Jewish, as an example, but was on very good terms with Stalin even after Litvinov’s dismissal and appointment as Ambassador to he US. So, no–it was not Manichean–a favorite shtick here. It was very complex and had its roots in Russia’s pre-revolutionary history which had almost everything to do with peasant question and almost zero with Jews.

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  171. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    — Did you teach you at a Soviet school about the pre-Soviet achievements in Russia? You post reeks of ignorance in the history of the 19-th century Russian sciences, culture, industries, and spiritual life.

  172. To prove that the Jewish revolutionaries had nothing to do with Zionists or Zionism in Russia, but instead they really were fighting it, and that it was the Tsarist regime which conspired for the creation of Zionist Societies in Russia to promote the creation of a Jewish state, you need to know about unfortunate Russian figure Vyacheslav von Plehve. He could also be held responsible for the current waves of russophobia in Poland and the Baltics, and for the lack of modernisation and progress which dervied in final bankrupt and disaster for the Russian Empire. That an evil, mean and retrograde person of such calibre was elevated to such a position by the Tsar himself , gives us an idea of the quality of the monarch:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_von_Plehve

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  173. annamaria says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    “…finally, the last decades of Tsarist Russia witnessed a magnificent flowering of cultural life” is a lie like a truck.”
    — You will be surprised but there was a magnificent flowering of cultural life in pre-Soviet Russia. Go to a library and find a book about Silver Age in Russia. Open the book and read it. Sorry if the majority of the names mentioned in this book will be unfamiliar for you.

    Have you copied and pasted this from a Soviet textbook ? – “The Tsarist regime, in its final years, was in a serious trouble … the demonstrations by workers and peasants claiming for a betterment of life and work conditions, widely ignored by the monarchy who decided to be blind and deaf, culmined with the carnage of “Bloody Sunday.”

    1. Try to google the size of the working class in the pre-Soviet Russia. You are for surprise.
    2. Here are some details on the “Bloody Sunday:” Enjoy!
    http://thesaker.is/bloody-monday-grandnephew-of-gulag-organizer-stabbed-the-echo-of-moscow-editor/

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  174. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    No need to LOL me. I understand that you are not aware of the 19-th century Russian philosophy — Feodorov, Bulgakov, Florensky, the roots of Tsiolkovsky’s dreams about cosmos — since these names and materials were sequestered by the Soviet regime.

    Let me also remark that it is not noble, at all, to mock the tremendous efforts of the Russian “intelligentsia” and landed nobility towards the amelioration of the idiocy of peasant life. The founding of provincial schools and hospitals were the practical attempts at improving the lives of ordinary people in Russia by the landed nobility; that was a pro bono activity. Moreover, hope you are not ready to join “Fatima Manoubia” in his/her ignorance of the Silver Age.

    It is not for nothing that V. Nabokov did see the Bolshevik revolution as the end of Russian civilization. The fate of Russian architectural heritage (churches, cathedrals, manors) was particularly tragic — on the top of the systematic extermination of free-thinkers, the highly-educated, clergy, merchants, the prosperous and industrious peasantry, and nobility.

    Hope that you are not ready to argue that the GULAG and secret police were the only viable instruments for making Russia into a “culturally and industrially developed” country.

  175. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Wasn’t efficiency and meticulous precision an exception in Soviet communist government?

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  176. @annamaria

    – You will be surprised but there was a magnificent flowering of cultural life in pre-Soviet Russia. Go to a library and find a book about Silver Age in Russia. Open the book and read it. Sorry if the majority of the names mentioned in this book will be unfamiliar for you.

    LOL! And can you read Alexandr Blok or Khlebnikov in original? Have you ever traveled Central Russia? have you’ve been to Russian villages–how many Russian peasant grandparents did you have? So, presenting a creative season in poetry by highly educated, very narrow strata of urban, what today would be defined as hipsters, as a direct proof of Russia’s flowering of cultural life. Really? I can provide you with the Soviet Russian Literature (largely preserved today with some modifications) high school curriculum–you will be stunned by the scope and complexity of it, including Silver Age poetry. So, forgive me, but what “libraries” are you talking about? American ones? Sure, you will find Solzhenitsyn there, you will not find Valntin Pikul there. I will reiterate–American “elites” know shit about Russia other than cherry picked cliches and isolated facts here and there. I can scan for you Soviet and Russian high school physics and math text books–it is what is studied in US in universities in first (and even second) year for STEM degrees. And, of course, you never heard about famines in Tsarist Russia being a constant feature ranging from massive to on-going non-stop in different governorships.

    I will reiterate, when Edward Said published his grossly unscientific treatise Orientalism where he accused Western scholarship in getting Islam wrong–he didn’t have the case. With Russia–there is a case and a very strong one to be made–unlike primitive (even today) Arabs, Russians since 17th century, within different paradigms, are viewed as clear and present danger to Western dominance–hence the set of attitudes, especially in 20th century and especially after WW II. Now, if you don’t believe me, there is, among many, Colonel Lang who saw it all and who is quite explicit in defining of what was and is being taught from West Point to intelligence school in Garmish about Russia pretty much as trash but, as I already noticed–facts and opinions of people who actually know are not valued. But I might reiterate it again–American Russian so called Studies field is primarily collection of pseudo-academic trash and it exists mostly for the purpose of satisfying whatever ideological psychiatric disorder the United States have any given moment. Russia is long ago not Stalinist or communist an yet: again–read the news, we are literally on the brink of nuclear war. And no, these are not just Jews, however subversive they are in the US, but good ol’ WASP elites who hate Russian guts. So, no–saving grace of neocon or Jew terms doesn’t apply here, no matter how many want to absolve themselves of the fact that every single war United States fought since the end of WW II was the war of conquest, atrocity and gross violation of the international order. So historic Russia, be it Tsarist one, be it Soviet Union or be it “Putin’s” one is a constant danger to “liberal” order and her real history will never be properly presented in the West–it is scientific fact which is supported by overwhelming empirical evidence.

  177. @KenH

    Stalin was never married to a Jewish woman, that was Molotov, whose wife Polina Zhemchuzhina felt in disgrace before Stalin´s eyes ( some authors think aided by the fact that she was the last person who saw Stalin´s wife, Nadedzha Alliluyeva, alive before allegedly committing suicide…. ) and whom ended being accused of espionage and treason…Due to these suspicions Molotov was forced to divorce her….

    Stalin started feeling suspicious on her because of her support of the idea of granting Crimea to the Jewish community and also because of her friendship with Golda Meir, first Israeli envoy to the USSR…. with whom she mantained active correspondence…, and in whose first meeting with Soviet Foreign Minister at that time, the same Molotov, her husband, she acted as a translator…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polina_Zhemchuzhina

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  178. @annamaria

    No need to LOL me. I understand that you are not aware of the 19-th century Russian philosophy — Feodorov, Bulgakov, Florensky, the roots of Tsiolkovsky’s dreams about cosmos — since these names and materials were sequestered by the Soviet regime.

    Oh, I am aware, my dear, and unlike you I know it in Russian. So, please do not BS me with Russian cosmism, of which I know on the order of magnitude more than you ever will know (most likely from Wiki). If you are so principled–the history of my posts is fully available on this site and I suggest you to go back some years to read precisely on the subjects which, as you state, I am “not aware”. But I’ll give you a hint–my still living mother is advanced graduate degree philologist with degree from LGU (Leningrad State) and who worked both as Russian and Russian Literature teacher in school, college and then as senior instructor of Institute of Teachers Improvement. Even today my living room is packed with books–need a photo? Yeah, you also have very little knowledge of Soviet publishing industry which published Russian classic literature on the massive industrial scale. Goodness gracious, what’s next–you will tell me that I never read Evgenii Onegin by Pushkin or Esenin? Indeed, LOL. So, what are the main novels by Valentin Pikul who was and is still read on orders of magnitude more in Russia than Solzhenitsyn? I am also wondering if Aelita and Engineer Garin’s Hyperboloid were ever put on screen by Hollywood?

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  179. @Fatima Manoubia

    Most in the US, even among most “smart” (by American standards–which often excludes meaning of being knowledgeable) people have no grasp whatsoever that some arrangements, other than they exist in US, between nation and Jews are possible. So these people read all kind of pseudo-historic baloney about Russia to justify their own frustrations about supposedly “greatest nation in the world” being nothing more than a slap-bitch of Israel, And so they go to a great length reading about Russian revolutions as some Jewish conspiracy, doing so they create perverted Solzhenitsified image of pre-revolutionary Russia as some kind of paradise in which happy Russian peasants and intellectuals lived in harmony governed by noble and benevolent Monarch (in reality–rather unqualified and spiteful man) until those damn Jews crushed it all. So, if Jews destroyed that wonderful Russia look at America now–the almighty Jew is doing the same to America.

    For Americans whose general level of understanding of war is somewhere on the level of propagandist cliches and kindergarten, the whole notion of Russian Empire losing 3.5 million KIA and about 5 million wounded, maimed etc. mostly Russian peasants in that war unleashed by European “elites” is beyond the grasp. So, they can not make a connection that nobody wanted to die and people had enough by 1916-17 fighting for who knows whose interests. But that brings us to the issue of military history as it is taught in Anglo world and that is a whole other story.

  180. It could be considered an irony ( or a message ) of destiny that both, Witte and Stalin, started like apprentice of railways…..they who would signal the way…..

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  181. @Fatima Manoubia

    Still the main electric dam in Georgia, which they show out of pride, is a Soviet massive engineering work, still in full function collecting wild rapid waters of Enguri river….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enguri_River

  182. @annamaria

    It is not for nothing that V. Nabokov did see the Bolshevik revolution as the end of Russian civilization.

    So, then Nabokov, who is known ONLY because of his pedophiliac novel (there is a reason Hollywood loves it), the rest of his writing is rather mediocre, would have had no problems, as wouldn’t you, commenting on famous (among many others) 1901 monograph by Sokolov and Grebenshikov delivered in 1901 to Russian Society of Russian Doctors, read as report, and known as On Mortality In Russia and Fighting It. With the high blessing of Russian Society of Public Health. I guess they all were Bolsheviks, right? So, what’s your opinion then?

    http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/46831-sokolov-d-a-smertnost-v-rossii-i-borba-s-ney-doklad-v-soedinennom-sobranii-obschestva-russkih-vrachey-obschestva-detskih-vrachey-v-sankt-peterburge-spb-1901#mode/inspect/page/13/zoom/4

    So any comments? I would love also to hear from you what was the deal with the rent of a single bed in St. Petersburg circa 1910-13 for a single worker and what was the deal with three field situation in Russian country-side?

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  183. @annamaria

    By stunned you mean industrialization with full spectrum complete industrial cycles developed and capability to manufacture everything? Or may be first man in space is what you believe stunned. Ridiculous. Why are not you writing about something you know?

  184. @annamaria

    Absolutely. Due was given where it was deserved. Kulibin, zhukovskii, popov, mendeleev and so forth so on. Yes lomonosov obviously. Tsarist times were never smeared the way Soviet period is smeared now.

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  185. KenH says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    That and the fact that diaspora Jewry was very supportive of communist Russia and influential Jews worked tirelessly to have Franklin Roosevelt recognize it and craft U.S. war policy for its benefit. Anti-semitism was a capital crime punishable by death, but not Russophobia.

    His argument is also rather lame as it’s like saying since there are only eleven Jews in the U.S. Senate they hold and exercise very little power in that chamber. Jews wield power in myriad ways and often behind the scenes and not just through fellow Jews serving in governments, whether the old central committee, politiburo or U.S. Congress.

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  186. @annamaria

    Despite not having nuckle towards math and tech I was eager subscriber to various popular scientific magazines like Science and life, technology of the youth, was avid really reader of Eurika series and other similar books. Nobody was wasting time on politics. We had more useful and interesting thing to do. In historic films tsarist Russia was not shown as country of bandits and scoundrels as it ussr is being depicted in modern Russian films.

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  187. Robjil says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Well, the Jewish US neocons have the media and the monetary system under their control. The US non-Jewish WASPs have been under Old testament mania for a very long time. These WASPs think the half-Italian- mother side / half Middle east/Caucasus- father side Judaics are God’s chosen people forever and ever. Thus, the WASPs think Judaic uber alles believers should be followed no matter how cruel and stupid their policies may be. The “Seven nations to destroy” has to be the most stupid and destructive agenda that the any nation has ever done in history. Yet, the US/West media does not make one peep about how this agenda may destroy our planet. Climate change is peanuts compared to it. Why? The half Italian/ half Middle Eastern-Caucacus chosen people say this is what Deuteronomy 7.1-2 says to do.
    Russian culture has been a lot stronger than US WASP culture. It weathered the Kulturkampf with Judaic uber alles culture from 1917-38. In 1991, Judaic uber alles culture again had a Kulturkampf with Russia. Russia won again with Putin coming to power in 2000. Judaic uber alles culture lost again. Their is nothing wrong with Judaic culture. It is Judaic uber alles mania of Judaic culture that should be kept in a box. It is like Pandora’s box. The main reason Judaic culture has this problem is the Old testament. The things that happened in the Old testament can be reused over and over again any time in history according to Judaic uber alles believers. Here is how it works. This is an example how it works with “the seven nations to destroy game” according to Chabad.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/961561/jewish/Positive-Commandment-187.htm

    “Since these seven nations no longer exist4 a person could think that this commandment is not noheg l’doros [for all generations5]. But only someone who does not understand the concept of noheg l’doros would think such a thing. A command that can be fulfilled without being limited to a certain time is considered noheg l’doros, because if the act would become possible in any generation, the mitzvah would apply. When G‑d will totally destroy the descendants of Amalek and remove them for all time — as will be speedily in our days, as G‑d (exalted be He) promised,6 “I will wipe out the memory of Amalek” — will we say that the mitzvah to wipe out the memory of Amalek7 was not noheg l’doros? This is not true, for in any generation when one finds a descendant of Amalek, he must be killed. The same applies to this mitzvah of killing all descendants of the seven nations, which is a milchemes mitzvah. In every generation we are required to uproot them and search after them down to the last individual. We did this until King David destroyed them completely, with the survivors being scattered and assimilated among the nations until they disappeared.
    But although they no longer exist, the mitzvah to kill them is still considered noheg l’doros, just as the mitzvah to wage war against Amalek is considered noheg l’doros even after their destruction. This is because it is not dependant on a certain time or place, such as in Egypt8 or in the desert.9 The mitzvah is dependant solely upon the object of the mitzvah: whenever they are found, the mitzvah must be fulfilled.”

    The belief that Old Testament terror tactics can be endlessly be reused any time in history if done by the chosen people is the problem in a nutshell of the Bolshevik Revolution and “the Seven Nations to destroy” of our time. The endless re-spinning of this circle of cruel, inhuman and inhumane tactics has to be stopped and denounced. We are in the 21st century and not in a primitive 500 BC world. The Judaic uber alles agenda has to be denounced before it too late for humankind and our planet.

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  188. KenH says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    I did recall that Molotov was married to a Jewess but had read many years ago (can’t remember which book) that Stalin may also have been married to a Jewess or had a long relationship with one:
    https://www.jweekly.com/2007/09/27/did-stalin-have-a-jewish-wife-and-stepdaughter/

  189. @Sergey Kriger

    Due was given where it was deserved. Kulibin, zhukovskii, popov, mendeleev and so forth so on. Yes lomonosov obviously. Tsarist times were never smeared the way Soviet period is smeared now.

    The Battle of Iron Chancellors or Cruisers, as an example, by Pikul–a nation-wide bestsellers in USSR are a perfect illustration how brainwashed local “historians” are. In the end, Rakovsky, same as Yan, was published first during Stalin’s times. Darn, Peter The Great was written by Tosltoy in those times too. But can you imagine how “historians” would react to Stepanov’s Porth-Arthur? If they read it, of course. But then again, for people fed a steady diet of Russian “literature” by Pasternak, Solzhenitsyn or Nabokov–the existence of a major both Russian pre-revolutionary and colossal Soviet literature is unknown. Don’t mention to them the existence of the Fifth Graph in Soviet passports (and other official documents) where the ethnicity was directly stated. Bottom-feeders, that is pretty much best description of these. Of course they never heard rock-opera Juno and Avos. Well…

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  190. @Robjil

    Well, the Jewish US neocons have the media and the monetary system under their control. The US non-Jewish WASPs have been under Old testament mania for a very long time.

    Largely true, for the US, but has practically zero relation to Russia. Russian-Jewish relations are completely different. But if some want to continue reading 200 Years Together, let them. They ate Solzhenitsyn’s BS for decades they might as well continue to do so having zero understanding of the context.

    Their is nothing wrong with Judaic culture. It is Judaic uber alles mania of Judaic culture that should be kept in a box.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto_Directive

    Talmud is an evil book. The rest could be negotiated. Yes, with Israel. With US Christian Zionists? I don’t know–unlike Jews they worship, many of them are dumb as stumps and not negotiation-worthy. One cannot reason with irrational fanatics.

  191. James says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Colin Wright,

    I note you haven’t responded to my point about how socialist Cuba’s health and education systems compare with the shambles in the supposedly most powerful and richest nation in the world just north of Cuba.

    Would you care to cite where you read that “Castro murdered twenty five thousand people or so over the course of his rule”?

    Contrary to assurances given to President Kennedy by the CIA, Cubans failed to rise up against the supposed “communist tyranny” when the CIA-sponsored ‘liberators’ landed at the Bay of Pigs on 17 April 1961. Instead Cubans rallied behind the government and drove the invaders back into the sea.

    Colin Wright wrote, “Cuba was also massively subsidized by the Soviet Union.” However, even after Soviet Union collapsed in 1990, Cuba was able to run without the cheap oil imports. See “The Power of Community How Cuba Survived Peak Oil Documentary” (2010 2:08 hours) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6H1VgBrpg . I

    Given the constant threat of invasion from, and the economic blockade by the global United States bully just up north, it seems to me that, even when Cuba was receiving subsidised oil, its socialist economy was performing remarkably well.

    Given the United States’ constant meddling in the affairs of other countries since 1945 – Chile, Greece, Yugoslavia, Korea, Vietnam, Guatemala, etc,, it seems to me that the United States’ rulers are as confident as you are that socialism cannot succeed.

    So, if socialism is not a way to prevent more wars like in Irag, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, Vietnam, Indonesia, Korea, etc., what do you see as the solution or do you prefer that human history continues as it has for the last 120 years?

  192. @Sergey Krieger

    Just from the top of my head. 1978, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, local drama theater–Glass Menagerie by Williams, couple of Russian classics, later that year (or was it 1979?) Famous MHAT tour, on two stages. This is just what we went as either full class field-trip or went as teenage groups. To packed auditoriums. 1981-832, Baku, Russian Drama Theater named after Samed Vurgun, good grief–we went there (that is where I and my future wife were going every other weekend) from Street Car Named Desire, to Cat Which Walked by Itself, to modern Soviet drama (some of it excellent), to Forget Herostratus, to dozens upon dozens superb performances. You are trying to explain to people who absolutely have no clue, they simply have no grasp. While by no means peaceful (I sure know it first hand), the reason why collapse of the Soviet Union didn’t create a real danger of a global war was precisely that it was the most educated country in the world, even in its low point–it was cultured country. These people have no clue of Soviet cinematography (they sure as hell will not get Love and Pigeons), art, literature and yet, they still continue to believe that naked “reasoning”, most of it based on completely false premises, is a substitute for knowledge and understanding.

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  193. @Anon

    I do not think that Mayakovski was executed. Russians do not kill their poets. Not even second grade communist one. Even if he would try to kill Stalin, he would only be shipped to Siberia.

  194. Giuseppe says:
    @annamaria

    — Since then Winston Churchill assessment of the ethnicity of the leading Bolsheviks is a “secondary source?”

    Churchill cut a large historical figure across the 20th century but was not an eyewitness to the events of the Russian Revolution. He therefore cannot be considered a primary historical source for those events. Newspaper articles in which American Jews gloat about “the Russian-Jewish revolution” are not primary sources either because they were not eyewitnesses. Furthermore they may have had reasons of their own for overstating the case. None of these have anything like the same historical weight or accuracy of the actual lists of names of the Bolshevik leadership during the Revolutionary period, drawn from Soviet archives. I suggest you read Shamir’s article on the subject.

    As for Solzhenitsyn’s book 200 Years Together, I hope that Ron Unz can find a way to have it fully translated and available in his HTML book archive.

  195. @Andrei Martyanov

    Sorry to say this but annamaria is to the certain extent right. Russian nobility Russian intelligentsia
    Russian science. and also Russian art circles were part of European circles. The trends were common.
    They were interacting communicating and also visiting and inspiring each other.
    That all ceased after revolution. It was certainly setback for Russia.
    But than Russia recovered.
    Russia always does recover.

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  196. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    It makes sense. If you don’t have God on your side then you need naked force. And even if you think you do you may well resort to force anyway.

  197. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Russian science.

    Just one fact–legendary Zhukovsky literally stormed Lenin’s office in 1918 (the country was in Civil War, devastated by WW I etc.) and demanded financing for his institute and Lenin approved. That is how legendary TsAGI (Central Aero Hydrodynamic Institute) was born and Russian aviation and space programs never looked back. Industry, which Tsarist Russia could not develop for a huge number of reasons, including peasantry and commune, came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TsAGI

    It is difficult sometimes to explain to people a true significance of events.

    and also Russian art circles were part of European circles. The trends were common.

    As life so vividly proved today beyond any doubt, thank God, Russia was spared those “trends” on multiculturalism, LGBT, same-sex marriages, radical feminism and other great “benefits” of Western “intellectualism” which is almost finished with Europe and, to a lesser degree, for now, the US. Most of Frankfurt school “Marxists” would have been (and were) viewed highly negatively in the USSR. New cultural Iron Curtain could certainly be beneficial.

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  198. @Fatima Manoubia

    Would you please factor in the demographics for one whose starting position, uninformed by any profound knowledge of Russia or the USSR, is that the Czarist Empire was merely a few decades behind the West (and maybe Japan) in modernising its economy at an accelerating rate. But, to quote figures which I often use to try and penetrate the minds of those who don’t intuitively understand the importance of differential fertility rates, in 1913 2 million Germans were born and 5 million Russians. While I usually make no point of the 2 v. 5 but point out that WW1 losses were easily made up for Hitler and Stalin in contrast to France and the UK I draw your attention to the problem Russia had in growing its economy fast enough to improve the per capita national income so that everyone felt better off. Cp. today the African countries which still have total fertility rates of 5+ plus modern medicine to reduce mortality…. I am not sure your case allows properly for demography.

  199. @Andrei Martyanov

    Interestingly I read and owed all the books you mentioned but I never read neither Pasternak, or Nabokov and solzhenicin especially. My favorites were port Arthur and Peter the great. Of Pikul I liked Favorite more than the battle of iron chancellor’s and V.G. yan trilogy of Mongolian invasion was outstanding work. Port Arthur actually would have been a litmus test of how Russian pre Soviet history was treated as it was time right before the first russian revolution. Stessel and grand Duke rightfully were depicted who they were. Common folk like boreiko, zvonarev and admiral Makarov were depicted deservingly. You might remember Adjyutant ego Prevoshoditelstva. I would not say that even members of white guard were depicted badly the way Soviet officers are often depicted now.

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  200. @Giuseppe

    Even “eyewitnesses” need to be questioned. I don’t refer to the notorious problems of eyewitness identification (ask any common law trained lawyer about the Adolph Beck case of c. 1894) but to the obvious human tendency to extrapolate from limited personal experience and treat rumour as confirmation. My impression is that records show somewhat disproportionate representation of Jews in early Soviet governments, major over representation in the party leadership and very great over representation in the security apparatus.

  201. @Andrei Martyanov

    Exactly. A lot more than love and pigeons should be watched and read to get that understanding. In the beginning of 80s even before Perestroika they started showing western classic at certain cinemas. That’s how I first watched the clockwork orange, Spartacus. There was kin interest in best westers films.

  202. @James

    Before I follow your lead in comparing any country’s health system with the appallingly expensive and inefficient US mess I would want you to show that Cuba doesn’t have a serious demographic problem which is largely caused by the régime they have lived under. I Googled for “what is Cuba’s fertility rate” and it is very clear that it has for decades been more like that of America’s rich Eastern Blue states than of the Red States. Japan and South Korea may be rich enough to deal with the problem of ageing populations but Cuba? I doubt it.

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  203. @James

    Your “Please explain” paragraph and question makes me wonder if you read what I wrote – or whether some idée fixe has made you tunnel visioned. My point was based on the fact that there was *not going to be* a German victory in 1918, or at all, and that American intervention made that certain long before the October Revolution. By all means try again please.

  204. @Sergey Kriger

    Interestingly I read and owed all the books you mentioned but I never read neither Pasternak, or Nabokov and solzhenicin especially

    Pasternak is poet primarily, a decent one. Nabokov–I will abstain discussing a person who finds it worthy writing about psychology of a pedophile supposedly with a sense of compassion to Lolita. Found none when read it both in Russian and English–it certainly appeals to Western “intellectual” class same way as Bunuel’s movies akin to Belle De Jour with Catherine Deneuve–for sexually unsatisfied and prone to being cuckolds, or purely sexually deviant, Western “intellectual” so called men. Nabokov is hardly a Russian writer–he has Russian genes but he knew pretty much nothing about modern Russia. But then again–I saw Western, most of them having no real knowledge of text, “versions” of War and Peace and black Anna Karenina. On the other hand, Finns eclipsed everyone with black actor portraying Mannerheim–a “pinnacle” of imbecility of European so called “creative” class. You ain’t seen nothing yet. Just buckle up. Per Solzh, isn’t it funny how Solzh worshiping Memorial had been officially registered in Russia as “foreign agent”. Meanwhile, next Hollywood “documentary” on Russia is coming–it is called Hunter Killer and is about US submarine which single-handedly “saves” President of Russia who is captured by those nasty Russian generals who are dreaming to re-open GULAG and return public ownership of the means of production. Talk about “erotic” geopolitical fantasies.

    You might remember Adjyutant ego Prevoshoditelstva. I would not say that even members of white guard were depicted badly the way Soviet officers are often depicted now.

    Of course there were also incomparable Days of Turbiny (Dni Turbinykh), Alov and Naumov’s Flight (Beg) is the achievement rarely equaled by the best of Hollywood and penetration into the Russia’s tragedy, including its White immigration, deeper than Bulgakov himself could have envisioned. A masterpiece really still fully used in quotes to this day. Then, of course, Road To Calvary (Hozhdenie Po Mukam) with astonishing cast, including superb portrayal of Russian Silver Age and avant-guard movements prior to Civil War. Again, it is like the case with Solzhenitsyn–his fate was sealed once archives got opened. Same is here, in the US–it took, indeed, evolution of internet and mass-media to make discussion and relevant facts fully global and cognitive dissonances started to pile up with incredible speed. Some people simply don’t know how to cope with this. No worry, Denmark already has the bill on imprisoning anyone who may be deemed as having views coinciding with those of “Kremlin” (up to 12 years in prison), same is coming eventually to the US-severe censorship (partially here already) and criminal charges. 1984.

  205. Da Wei says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “Weird people, jews.”

    You are a gentleman.

  206. @S

    ‘…I imagine he had some interesting stories to tell about his trip to the Soviet Union provided he ever talked of the experience.

    Was it to Baku or environs (if you don’t mind saying) that he traveled to?’

    I’m afraid I’ve already related all that I recall, and of course my grandfather himself is long gone.

  207. @Giuseppe

    ‘…As for Solzhenitsyn’s book 200 Years Together, I hope that Ron Unz can find a way to have it fully translated and available in his HTML book archive.’

    That would be great — particularly if it’s a decent translation.

  208. @James

    ‘…So, if socialism is not a way to prevent more wars like in Irag, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, Vietnam, Indonesia, Korea, etc., what do you see as the solution or do you prefer that human history continues as it has for the last 120 years?’

    Given that the Soviet Union invaded or threatened to invade literally every single one of its neighbors over the course of its existence, that socialism is a way to prevent wars is a spectacularly indefensible proposition.

    The Soviet Union invaded Poland in 1920, attacked Finland and Poland without provocation in 1939, annexed Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia and seized large chunks of Romania in 1940, invaded Iran in 1941, invaded Japanese Manchuria and the Kuriles in 1945, and demanded territory from Turkey as well but was warned off by the US. She invaded Hungary in 1956, openly threatened to nuke China in the late Sixties, invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, and invaded Afghanistan in 1989.

    I think that’s everybody. Historically, socialism has been marked by brutal and often unprovoked aggression, and prolonged and often extremely oppressive regimes of occupation. Consider, for example, China’s record in Tibet, her attempted invasion of Viet Nam in the late Seventies, her current campaign to extirpate Uigher cultural identity, and her grossly expansionist territorial demands in the South China Sea.

    No…I don’t think socialism’s the road to peace.

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    , @James
  209. Da Wei says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Thanks for the book reference and the video.

  210. Franz says:
    @Anon

    The will we lost as a civilization can be recovered, in faith.

    I agree that the future is wide open. With all the chaos around I suggest a new world is being b0rn right here and now.

    Recover the confidence, yes. But the insufferable hubris and cast-iron hierarchies of Old Europe is what led to the collapse of our will, and we can get it back only with the hero’s journey that starts with understanding.

    George Bernard Shaw’s play Caesar and Cleopatra has a fitting exchange during the burning of the Library of Alexandria:

    THEODOTUS. What is burning there is the memory of mankind.

    CAESAR. A shameful memory. Let it burn.

    THEODOTUS (wildly). Will you destroy the past?

    CAESAR. Ay, and build the future with its ruins.

    August 1914 was our Alexandria. We build on the ruins by remembering the blunders that took us there. Conquest, empire, slavery. Let them burn.

  211. Da Wei says:
    @jacques sheete

    And the winner by TKO: jacques sheets!

  212. James says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    I don’t have time to respond to all of this nonsense in your posr.

    Firstrly I note that you have not responded to any one of my points about Cuba in the post at http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2572393 that your post is linked to.

    In 1920, the Soviet Union attacked Poland only after Poland first attempted to invade the
    Soviet Union and was defeated. Whether or not the subsequent invasion of Poland was good judgement on the part of the Red Army commanders, it was clearly not an unprovoked invasion as you imply.

    One reason for the defeat of the Red Army was insubordination by one of the Red Army leaders, Stalin.

    Whether the leaders of the 1917 Revolution should be seen as culpall of Stalin’s crimes should

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  213. Robjil says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Another gigantic mistake by Soviets that entire world is now dealing with was the creation of the Soviet Republics. The Yugoslavs made the same mistake. The Soviets even placed Ukraine SSR and Belorussian SSR at the UN during the Soviet era. Putin said these republic entities were like a time bomb to blow up the Soviet Union if the Soviets ran into problems. It surely did blow up in 1991 when the cold war ended in the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. The 500 BC West, led by 500 BC values of the Old testament, was in glee with joy to abuse this Republic theme to destroy both Russia and Yugoslavia. It worked great for the destruction of Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia, the size of Romania, was carved up into seven pieces to be served on the silver platters for the 500 BC fanatics ruling the west. It was like carving of a roasted leg of lamb. The carving up of Russia was also easy with the republic system. Lenin did the ground work at the beginning of Soviet era. Ukraine was given Novorossia from Russia, which is now the entire southern and eastern part of Ukraine. Moldavia was given a bit of it too. In Moldavia, the Novorossian area is called Transnistria. Stalin gave Crimea to Soviet Union in 1954. Ukraine was also given Transcarpathia from Czechoslovakia and parts of Romania in 1945. Ukraine during the Russian empire days was a much smaller landlocked entity about the same size of Belorussia. It was called Malorossia and not Ukraine in the Russian empire times. The term Ukraine means borderlands, which it really is, pieces of all the bordering nations around it. Stalin gave Azerbaijan part of Armenia in 1921, Nagorno- Karabakh. Stalin gave Georgia parts of Russia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The 500 BC west abuses this republic theme as sacred and eternal since it fits their 500 BC values uber alles agenda. These Republics were not meant to be nations but administrative areas. The “gifts” given by the Soviets to Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Moldavia led to wars after ending of the Soviet Union in 1991. The 500 BC west abuses the idea of these Soviet administrative borders as “eternal” weapons against Russia.

    The French Revolutionaries were clever in that they did the opposite of what the Soviet and Yugoslavs did. They devised a plan to make France very difficult to be divided up if the Revolution ever failed. They divided France into 100 tiny departments that were based only on geographic features and not any cultural or ethnic basis at all. France thus had no problems with the many changes of government, it always keeps its borders. The exception being Alsace but that was during war time.

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  214. James says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    A comment may (or may not) have been published prematurely. The corrected version follows:

    Firstly, I note that you have not responded to any one of my post at http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2572393 which responded to your previous attempt to portray the Cuban government as “communist tyranny”.

    I don’t have time to respond to all of the distortions and misrepresentations in your post.

    In 1920, the Soviet Union attacked Poland only after Poland first attempted to invade the Soviet Union and was defeated. Whether or not the subsequent invasion of Poland was good judgement on the part of the Red Army commanders, it was clearly not an unprovoked invasion as you imply.

    One reason for the defeat of the Red Army in Poland was insubordination by one of the Red Army commanders, Stalin.

    That the leaders of the 1917 Revolution should be seen as culpable for all of Stalin’s subsequent crimes is disputed by many historians, especially given that, of the 26 members of the 1917 Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party, by 1938 only Stalin, Trotsky and two others were alive and at liberty by 1938. In 1940, the exiled Trotsky was also to be murdered on Stalin’ orders.

    So I fail to see how all the Soviet Union’s crimes and purported crimes that you have listed necessarily follow from the Bolshevik revolution of 1917.

    You wrote, amongst other things “The Soviet Union … invaded Japanese Manchuria and the Kuriles in 1945, … ”

    I understood that Stalin launched the invasion, because he was specifically asked to by American President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)._FDR feared that without the help of the Red Army, the defeat of Japan would be too costly for America. Clearly the subsequent A-bomb tests made the invasion of Manchuria unnecessary, but I hardly see war against the monstrous Japanese empire in 1945 as an unconscionable act.

  215. ‘…I hardly see war against the monstrous Japanese empire in 1945 as an unconscionable act…’

    I hardly see Stalin’s empire as morally preferable to Japan’s, but that isn’t really the question. Nor am I interested in attempting to defend the state of American health care.

    Where I differ with you is whether socialism is the path to international peace. Historically, it most certainly hasn’t been.

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  216. MacNucc11 says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Let’s do a little simple math here. Ok, so we accept no more than 5% of the population. That means 5 in every 100. So obviously we would be hard pressed to find any Jewish communists, but that does not seem to be the case.

  217. MacNucc11 says:
    @jacques sheete

    I have thought the same thing as him about communism myself. But that is a huge difference. Without God there is a vacuum that exists at the top that is filled by materialism, earthly power, greed, covetousness and a plethora of other sins.

  218. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I respect your knowledge of the Russian history. My posts were in response to an idea that the Bolshevik revolution was a blessing for Russia and Russians. Do you agree with the idea?
    (By the way, what was the size of the working class in the pre-revolutionary Russia? — some 6%?)

    Also, the literary tastes are different and, unlike you, I found V. Nabokov works the creations of a genius. But what is your opinion of A. Platonov? He was rather merciless towards the Soviet regime.

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  219. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrei Martyanov, I greatly respect your writings on engineering matters. However, your writings on cultural matters are not particularly coherent.

    1. “Lenin approved” — do you sense a smell of dictatorship?
    2. “Russia was spared…” — my posts were specifically about the pre-revolutionary Russia. Where was Michail Lomonosov educated? Where was Michail Clinka educated? Where did Leo Tolstoy go to study pedagogy? Who were the first professors at the first Russian Academy? Why is it so difficult to translated Pushkin to French?

    My argument stands: During the 19th century, the predominantly agrarian and illiterate Russia had developed a tremendous potential thanks to the interaction with European culture as well as the local efforts at ameliorations of the lives of the ordinary Russians. The end of the 19th/beginning of the 20th century century was the time of the highly accelerated scientific and cultural development in Russia (try to refute this point). The Bolshevik revolution had stunted that development and led to the death of the millions of the innocent. Moreover, the Bolshevik dictatorship had been targeting the independent thinkers, the highly-educated and principled among “intelligentsia,” clergy, nobility, and the most successful peasantry.

    The survival of the Russian culture in the 20th century was achieved thanks to the previously-accumulated potential and thanks to the vigor of the still young Russian civilization. Those disciplines that were difficult to control through the Soviet ideology — math, physics, chemistry — have survived unscathed and flourished. Those that were open to ideological interpretations such as biology (particularly genetics) were badly damaged by the regime.

    The strength of the Soviet educational system was derived from the already established European norms. In this respect, I agree that Russia has benefited from the conservative approach to education, whether in sciences or fine arts. Again, it was the national character and national perseverance that made Russia strong — not the Bolshevik terrorism.

  220. @Wizard of Oz

    No, I couldn´t, because by my long comment I have made my point unrhetorically clear enough on that it was not due to any demographic issue the fact that the Russians, in the pre-revolutionary times, were living in such state, but to the greedy stubornness on the part of the Tsarist regime in renouncing any bit of wealth obtained by exploitation of its subdits to ammeliorate at least a bit the deplorable life conditions of the increasing numbers of proletariat in the cities, as well as the still huge numbers of existing peasants.

    To make the point that today “Africa enjoys modern medicine to reduce mortality”, pushes one almost to ignore your pretended point about demographics at Tsarist times. I could interpret that this is because of lack of information, but, due your level of use of language, and your history as commenter, I would bet, at least, lack of interest, or even sensibility, on the current life conditions for African people. Africa today, as has always happened, does not in any way enjoy modern medicine to reduce its rates of mortality, what, in any case, it enjoys, is the dubious privilege of being the field test for many modern pharmaceutical products to be sell at stratospheric prices in the developed world, as well as for inhuman/indecent bioweapons. See life expectancy in Africa, please, take your time to search a bit, like you do for to find rhetoric twisted enough when trying to discuss with me. Their case, of the African people, is the same as that of the pre-revolutionary Russian people, simply, they are expendable for the powerful of the world, and their life is not valued even a kopek, as it was not that of Russian pre-revolutionary people.

    To debunk your point on the remotely possible well intentioned aims the Tsarist monarchy could harbor anytime toward its subdits, it is the fact that the serfs, even after liberated from serfdom, were denied freedom of movement from one landlord´s lands to another´s, in search of better life conditions, since the value of the lands was calculated by the ammount and quality of its serfs, amongst other things, which leads us to easily imagine that these peoples were considered, along with the soil fertility and farm tools, as instruments of enrichment without any right except the indispensable ( eating and drinking ) for to develop the assigned strenous tasks/duties. One would, for the same reason, guess that the Tsarist regime would promote high rates of fertility only for the same reason high rates of fertility are promoted today in Africa, to have a reserve army of proletarian cheap labour, for free in the case of the Tsarist regime.

  221. @annamaria

    My posts were in response to an idea that the Bolshevik revolution was a blessing for Russia and Russians. Do you agree with the idea?

    Don’t you find it peculiar that each time the issue of Russian history arises it immediately stated in Anglo world in purely Manichean terms–black and white, no shades, no nuances, it is either evil or divine. Same here, in your question. No, Bolshevik Revolution was a logical conclusion to a gigantic blob of contradictions in Russia which, like a growing abscess came to a head on the battlefields of WW I. I know all too well what Czarist Russia, for all my love of Russian culture and Russia’s modern history, has become by the onset of the 20th century. So Bolshevik, or any other strategically modernizing, Revolution was predetermined by the march of the whole Russian history. It just happened that Bolsheviks were literally handed political power–a fact even great falsifier of Russian history Solzh does not dispute. United States, well fed and well developed, almost imploded in 1960s because of Vietnam War. Vietnam War is dwarfed by two orders of magnitude just in killed alone in WW I for Russia. Have anyone ever tried to apply their, oh so recognizable moralization, to the United States. What would have happened to the country which, even if to factor out a gigantic impact on civilians, would have lost 3.5 KIAs. Forget hunger, forget need and anti-sanitary etc. Just that alone. I know, difficult to wrap the mind around it. This are not the numbers and scope of catastrophe United States and its “intellectual” and political “elites” ever dealt with nor are conditioned to deal with. But in the end, if one wants to learn about Bolshevik Revolution than should start not from 1917, but from 1905. But in reality, they should start with damn land and peasant question of Russia which became the most important topic in Russian classic literature from Radishev.

    Per Platonov, I don’t have much interest in his literature, so I will abstain from expressing any opinions on his account.

  222. @annamaria

    Talking, talking talking.
    Doing doing doing.
    Lenin’s concentration on energy generation, through hydro works, and building the industrial base kicked Russia into twenties century. (It was not happening under Czar)
    Lenin did wake up Russia. And Stalin kept the direction which Lenin has set.
    These development dwarfed any cultural and other concerns.
    And that is the basic truth.
    Without Communist revolution, and Lenin, Russian destiny would have been demise and dismemberment.
    Communist revolution and Lenin did save Russia at high noon.

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  223. @Wizard of Oz

    To make yourself an idea of which sanitary conditions in Africa are, I would advice you to travel there, especially through rural areas, to find that, modern medicine there is not available even for you, in case you have the misfortune to fall ill while travelling over there, as it happened to me, and in case it could resemble modern medicine even remotely, it will be available only under payment of an ammount of dollars unafordable for almost every person in Africa.
    Even from a selfish point of view, even without needing placing yourself in the place of the Africans, you can feel the absolute precariousness you find yourself in and how easy is to die in Africa…..

    I guess you will not be interested at all in travelling there, but, at least, I recommend you seeing this film, which, although based on a fiction novel, I think reflects quite faithfully the reality of Africa….this is how they give birth, how they dress, how they live…..and how they die…..

  224. @Cyrano

    The relevant scale isn’t capitalism vs. communism (or whatever ism really) ; it’s decentralized vs. centralized.

  225. @Robjil

    Another gigantic mistake by Soviets that entire world is now dealing with was the creation of the Soviet Republics.

    Both yes and no. I know, sounds paradoxical but despite rhetoric, the issue of national (ethnic) and cultural identity is a geopolitical constant under any type of political system. Bolsheviks preserved Empire, first and foremost, and for their massive modernizing project, which included otherwise grossly backward fringes (from Caucasus to Middle Asia) the issue of local educated elites was very important. Obviously the hindsight is a 20/20 vision and Ukraine is a superficial geopolitical construct, but Ukrainian political nation largely did formalize and it is what it is. It is stillborn but it does exist and will continue to exist through its accelerating rot until it disintegrate completely and it is coming. So, with or without Soviet Republics Empire was doomed one way or another–Uzbeks will remain Uzbeks, Tajiks will remain Tajiks no matter what. Good for them–as long as they do not flock to Russia, which they were so disgusted with in 1990s (allegedly for Russia delaying their development, LOL), they will be fine–poor and backward, their natural state.

  226. James says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    An even more feeble response to my previous post. I note that, yet again, you still haven’t explained why Cubans failed to rise up against the ‘communist tyranny’ during the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion (http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2572393) and almost countless other points I have made above.

    You wrote, “I hardly see Stalin’s empire as morally preferable to Japan’s”.

    So, were Churchill and FDR wrong to form an alliance with the Soviet Union against Japan? Were they wrong to form an alliance with the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany?

    Again I ask, “if socialism is not a way to prevent more wars like in Irag, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, Vietnam, Indonesia, Korea, etc., what do you see as the solution or do you prefer that human history continues as it has for the last 120 years? (http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2572393)”

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  227. James says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    An even more feeble response to my previous post. [1]

    I note that, yet again, you still haven’t explained why Cubans failed to rise up against the ‘communist tyranny’ during the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion (http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2572393) and almost countless other points I have made above.

    You wrote, “I hardly see Stalin’s empire as morally preferable to Japan’s”.

    So, were Churchill and FDR wrong to form an alliance with the Soviet Union against Japan? Were they wrong to form an alliance with the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany?

    Again I ask, “if socialism is not a way to prevent more wars like in Irag, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, Vietnam, Indonesia, Korea, etc., what do you see as the solution or do you prefer that human history continues as it has for the last 120 years? (http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2572393)”

    FOOTNOTE[S]

    [1] My previous post is at http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2573084 . I can’t find the link in your above post. It seems that you didn’t used the ‘reply’ button.

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  228. Those who were Soviet here ( comrades Sergey, Martyanov, Rozumova, Feliks….) complain on that in these forums, people who comment assure things about the USSR without having even witnessed them, and they are right.

    That is why it is good to listen to those who did visit the post-revolutionary Russia, as is the case of Stefan Zweig, Austrian writer and traveler, who, although certainly apolitical, was an honest person, well understoood on Russian classic literature, and traveled in the newly born USSR, not only with his eyes open, but also, with open mind….
    In his little book, “Travel to Russia”, he writes about the aglow cultural life…

    THE YOUNG POETS.

    The Government has given them the old house of Alexander Herzen, which they have turned into a kind of “Club”, where they read and work, meet and receive their friends, and where they have installed a small museum in which they keep the books and manuscripts of the new generation. I was, joyful, their guest. And while I was among them I had a curious impression of the past and the present; I had visited Alexander Herzen’s daughter Madam Monod, an eighty-year-old woman, in Versailles, and now I was in the house that belonged to her father, along with Tolstoy’s granddaughter, the intelligent and charming Sofia Tolstoi-Yesenin, widow of the great poet Yesenin, who, two years ago, at thirty years of age, renounced this world tragically. Sitting around a long table with three dozen young people, all under forty, although most have not turned thirty, one feels the breadth and diversity of this immense country.

    Almost all the Russian provinces and the peoples of the Union have a representative here. Here is Boris Pilniak, the famous novelist, blond and born alongside the Volga is of German origin; but he is already so Russian that he does not understand a word of the language of his ancestors. Next to him is Vsevolod Ivanov, a Siberian with a round face and pale complexion, author of “The armored train”, a work that both in novel and theater has had such success in Russia. Here is Gogol Robadkidse, son of a priest of Tbilisi, the first Georgian poet, from whom some books have been translated into German. Beside him sits Abraham Effres, a Muscovite of oriental origin, with a black beard and a great connoisseur of European art; and in front of him, sit Liddin and Kivilov, and the great carver Kraftchenko, and other young writers, still unknown, Armenians, Eurasians, Caucasians, and Ukrainians, all in close mixture and united in the same cordiality in the reception and the same indomitable flame of youth.
    All or almost all these writers come from the people and feel, much more than our writers, close to the people. And they all read their verses in the barracks, they talk about literature in the assemblies, they guide the peasants through the museums. They dress like the workers or peasants, and none of them has a tuxedo or a tail coat, and none lives comfortably, nor does it charge what any European writer. But they enjoy the privilege of having a vast public, of not having betrayed their character and of maintaining fraternal relations with everybody. Envious privileges! Each of them knows the people and knows their needs and ideas; they have observed it carefully, they have worked with it, they have traveled – free as bohemians – Russia from end to end. It is a pleasure to see their faces, full of life; read their books, overflowing with a new energy. European literature still awaits many surprises from this rising Russia. “

    Through all his book, Zweig seems marveling at the energy it was giving off and the bright future that seemed to await this promising new Russia only just a decade after the revolution, even in the face of the obvious problems of accommodation and shortages….

    He believed that the arrival of the Nazis in power in Germany will be a passing event, but finally, aware of the dark times that were swooped over Europe and the world, thinking that both Europe and its cultural life had definitely died, ended his life in Petrópolis, Brasil, on February 22, 1942 …

  229. @James

    Are you moderately high functioning autistic? It isn’t conversation or discussion to use copy and paste of your own words which completely misascribe words in quotes to me and demand answers to questions which have nothing to do with me.

  230. James says: • Website

    That’s the first time anyone has used that particular ad hominem against me.

    Please feel welcome to give examples of where I have “completely misascribe[d] words in quotes to me and demand[ed] answers to questions which have nothing to do with [you]”.

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  231. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov

    With US Christian Zionists? I don’t know–unlike Jews they worship, many of them are dumb as stumps and not negotiation-worthy.

    Well, this is about as true as it gets–unfortunately.

  232. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @James

    Have YOU dealt with the issue of Cuba’s total fertility rate being way below replacement?

  233. @James

    Are you also lazy and stupid? Just look at what you have attributed to me and see if you can find where I said it. (Hint for the slow on the uptake: you may find Colin Wright or some other commenter said them). Are you so lacking in understanding of yourself or just plain common sense that you could give this last reply without elementary checking to see where you might have erred? There’s something very odd about you.

  234. @James

    ‘An even more feeble response to my previous post…’

    Yeah, I better give up. It’s pretty clear you’ve won the argument. Would you attribute your success to your manifest intellectual superiority, the obvious truth of your position, or a combination of the two?

  235. @Andrei Martyanov

    ‘…With US Christian Zionists? I don’t know–unlike Jews they worship, many of them are dumb as stumps and not negotiation-worthy. One cannot reason with irrational fanatics.’

    One can, however, shape one’s argument to one’s audience. Point out the Biblical passages that suggest the Jews forfeited their claim to God’s favor — and their right to the Holy Land. Suggest that Israel is not the authentic fulfillment of Divine prophesy; that its evil and corruption suggest it is, on the contrary, evidence that it is one of the foul perversions of the anti-Christ. Show them clips from Israeli television mocking Jesus.

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  236. Why?
    Why?
    Why not!
    Why not trace down Jewish girl Svetlana. She hated her father for killing her mother and brother (My grand daughter is also named Svetlana,)
    You are all news-people you can do it!!!!
    She should be still alive. She could shed some light on 60 million Russians killed by Jews.(sarcasm)
    She also did write a little book, maybe you can find it on Amazon or maybe in some library.

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  237. Ken Craggs says: • Website

    Jewish Bankers, Russia, and the Soviet Union, 1900-1940: The Case of Kuhn, Loeb and Company.
    http://americanjewisharchives.org/publications/journal/PDF/1997_49_01_02_roberts.pdf
    https://web.archive.org/web/20150622084707/http://schiffnaturepreserve.org/pdf/JacobSchiffEssay.pdf

    Lord Alfred Milner was a Director, and later the Chairman of the Rothschild’s Rio Tinto Company. In late January 1917, Lord Alfred Milner who was also a member of the five-person British War Cabinet, led a delegation to Russia. The Mission had the multiple objectives of attempting to co-ordinate the coming summer’s offensives, reaching an agreement for supplying equipment to Russia and, in consequence, help to boost the Russians’ morale. On 31 January 1917, the delegation travelled to the Alexander Palace 15 miles south of Petrograd (St. Petersburg) to be presented to the Tsar. Milner and other delegates had several more meetings with the Tsar, the final meeting being on 18 February 1917, at which Milner pointed out that Russia’s manpower and resources were being mismanaged and badly organised by the Russian authorities. Milner went on to recommended that, should materials be supplied by Allied countries to Russia, personnel from those countries should be in charge of the distribution and implementation. Despite Milner attempting to present this as an offer of aid, it demonstrated a clear lack of confidence in the abilities of the Russian government to get things done.

    Milner and the rest of the delegation left for Britain on the 22 February 1917 and arrived in London on 3 March 1917. Some days later riots and disturbances broke out in Petrograd, sparked by food shortages. Strikes and demonstrations took place in the capital and the government collapsed. On 15 March 1917, the Tsar abdicated and a new Provisional Government was formed. In March 1917, it became “known” in the United States that Jacob Schiff at Kuhn, Loeb & Co had substantially funded Russia’s revolution and the overthrow of its tsarist régime. Jacob Schiff sent a telegram to the Editor of the New York Times that was published on 17 March 1917. It reads, “May I through your columns give expression to my joy that the Russian nation, a great and good people, have at last effected their deliverance from centuries of autocratic oppression and through an almost bloodless revolution have now come into their own. Praised be God on high !” On March 22, the American ambassador to Russia, David. R. Francis, formally recognised the Provisional Government on behalf of the United States. Negotiations for a series of loans totalling $190,000,000 by the United States to the Provisional government in Russia where begun on the advice of the American ambassador to Russia, David. R. Francis who noted in his telegram to Secretary of State Lansing “financial aid now from America would be a master-stroke. Confidential. Immeasurably important to the Jews that revolution succeed…” In April 1917 Lenin was returned from exile into Russia aboard a German military train.
    http://archive.is/2aShn#selection-1929.0-1929.4

  238. James says: • Website
    @Israel Shamir

    I don’t have the time or temperament to engage in the shouting match down hear. I suggest those who want to decide for themselves, whether or not the vilification of the leaders of the 1917 Russian Revolution by the author, and by much of the subsequent discussion, is justified, should go back and read Israel Shamir’s original critical response to this article and the ensuing discussion, including my posts.

  239. Them Guys says:
    @jacques sheete

    Thanks much Jacques, sorry it took me so long to replay a thanks. My Laptop was in HP repairs for a couple weeks. Got it back and all is swell now….I had to be a squeeky wheel big time to get it fixed on the warranty policy….They rejected a warranty fix 3-4 times, but I finally got results by refusing to “Obey” their goofy policy and demanded a fix!

  240. @annamaria

    The Bolshevik revolution had stunted that development and led to the death of the millions of the innocent. Moreover, the Bolshevik dictatorship had been targeting the independent thinkers, the highly-educated and principled among “intelligentsia,” clergy, nobility, and the most successful peasantry.

    Forgive me, but your argument doesn’t stand since it is utterly, using neutral language, uninformed. No matter how you tweak your alleged argument it is an argument of the level of an American community college–no insult intended. If you want to review Western influence on Russian intelligentsia I may only suggest brilliant Isiah Berlin’s Russian Thinkers, and even this supreme work of Western philosophical assessment of Russia’s 19th century intelligentsia is lacking for a simple reason–it speaks only about narrow strata of Russia’s mostly well off intellectuals with secondary relation to a context. Highlighted in bold in your quote is yet another propaganda cliche by Western ideologists who pretend to care about Russians and decry the fate of Kulaks without understanding what this fate is, not to mention having no clue who Kulaks actually were ( a hint–they were not peasants, they were usury-mongers). Now, I understand, you don’t have time for studying Russian history and you are almost entirely excluded from Russian (as in Czarist times) sources and that is why you ignore what I gave you reference to (yes, isn’t it funny how American Russia internet “scholars” almost completely have no even rudimentary knowledge of Russian language). So, I will reiterate–your “info” on Russia’s prerevolutionary “development” is not only incomplete–it is entirely wrong. Again, what’s the point for me to give you a wealth of Russian documents if you still repeat same ol’ beaten to death cliches cooked in the deep recesses of Western historiography (and operations of influence departments of Western intel services). Just to do a simple forensic experiment. Do you even understand a significance of what I post here below?

    Per this:

    “Lenin approved” — do you sense a smell of dictatorship?

    LOL. Sure. BTW, what is your assessment of Samoderzhavie, was it smelling of “dictatorship” or was it some form of a representative democracy? Again, do you understand that famines in Russia were non-stop, literally, ranging from massive all-national ones to constant localized ones with one or two, three Gubernia’s being in constant famine every single freaking day? Again, here is Russian nationalist Constitutional Democrat Pavel Milyuokov–a fanatical anti-Bolshevik. Yet, look what he was writing about (not to mention the title of the book itself) in 1905. Why does his work sound, well, “bolshevik”?

    https://www.questia.com/read/1662220/russia-and-its-crisis

    Again, can you accept the fact that American both “scholarship” let alone public knows shit about Russia and her history. Russian 19-20th century history in the US was written by highly biased people who were and are NO scholars by any criteria. You ate this Cold War BS for decades, now, when we are few steps away in US before Russians are going to be herded into some form of camps in the US for threatening US “democracy” which is anything but. Yet, you have audacity to talk about “dictatorship” amidst US media anti-Russian hysteria which makes McCarthyism look like a triumph of legal due process and justice. Talk about being delusional. So, please, spare me fairy tales about Russia and, if you really want to learn something about REAL Russia, you may start with Nikolai Nekrasov’s “”Who Is Happy In Russia” written way after Serfdom was abolished. Try also Chekhov. You may start with this:

    https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/ac/jr/095.htm

    Of course, discussing Russian literature with most Westerners who think themselves well-read on the subject is, most of the time, useless–it is akin to communicating with deaf, and often blind, who learned a couple of tricks and know nothing more. I am still waiting on your substantive answer on the report by Society of Russian Doctors on Mortality. Now, in conclusion, let me give you opinion of very famous Russian Orthodox contemporary thinker Natalya Narochnitskaya, she describes your (and others) position, which has nothing to history, after all you base your “argument” on propaganda, not real history:

    The West hates Stalin namely for restoration of the territory of the historic Russian state, and for Yalta, and for Potsdam. These are the outcomes which do not allow them to calm down. You know, I am no Stalinist and I clearly understand that all the nostalgia for Stalin has its roots in a non-stop trampling of our history, making a mockery out of the lives of our fathers. It is useless trying to prove to the West that Ivan Grozny (The Terrible) in 30 years of his reign killed 10 times fewer people than Catherine De’ Medici killed during the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre. We are going to be counted as barbarians no matter what, while the West will remain good!”

    Now, try to explain to yourself (I am not interested) how American “democracy” slaughtered, maimed, displaced millions upon millions innocent people after WW II. Russia and Russians as SUCH are viewed as enemies in the West and so is their history.

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  241. @Colin Wright

    One can, however, shape one’s argument to one’s audience.

    You can’t. I mean you can but to no avail. The reasons for that are social and have everything to do with American larger, semi-secular, exceptionalism faith which permeates whole US body-politic. The “shining city on the Hill” is in foundation of all that, Christian Zionists are simply the most extreme form of this faith, not to mention the fact that there is no unified Church in the US, as it is the case, largely, in Germany (two major confessions), Russia (Russian Orthodoxy), Poland (devoutly Catholic nation) etc. Until (and it is already in progress) whole social-economic–cultural paradigm changes for the US, very little could be done, except for non-stop resistance, to address this issue. Faith is changed largely not by reasoning (only in some cases) but by very real events.

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  242. annamaria says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Please, take a look at post 264.

    — As for your enthusiasm for the Soviet industrialization, collectivization and such, you need to consult the data on the industrial development in the pre-revolutionary Russia. The article has some bits of information:

    “While it is true that the power of the Tsar was absolute … it is worth noting that Russians during the reign of Nicholas II had freedom of press, religion, assembly and association, protection of private property, and free labor unions….

    During the decades prior to the outbreak of the First World War, the Russian economy was booming. In fact, between 1890 and 1913, it was the fastest growing in the world. New rail lines were opened at an annual rate double that of the Soviet years. Between 1900 and 1913, iron production increased by 58 percent, while coal production more than doubled. Exported Russian grain fed all of Europe. Finally, the last decades of Tsarist Russia witnessed a magnificent flowering of cultural life.”

    — Were your older relatives among the Soviet deciders who ordered and conducted the “hydro works and building the industrial base?” If so, here is what had been happening to people on the end of the deciders’ directives: https://tarbaby.wordpress.com/2017/07/22/gulags-frenkels-efficiency-system/

    “Frenkel is best known for his role in the organisation of work in the Gulag [the forced labor camps]. One of Frenkel’s innovations in the labor camps was the “you-eat-as-you-work” system or the “nourishment scale.” This system resulted in a high death toll in the camps.

    Frenkel’s labor camp reforms: Linking a prisoner’s food ration to production. Getting rid of prisoners after 3 months as prisoners were most productive only in the first 3 months. After this, they were too weak. This was done by killing the last person to join the line at work at a work detail. This person was called a laggard and taken out and shot.

    These reforms pleased Stalin greatly as it made the camps more “efficient.” Frenkel’s system became standard operating system in the GULAG camps

    Frenkel’s reward for making the labor camps more “efficient”:
    • Made chief of construction of the White Sea Canal project [recall your enthusiasm for hydro-projects, Ilyana]
    • Became chief of construction of BAM (Baltic-Amur Magistral) railroad project [this is about your joy for the “industrial base” that “kicked Russia…” — see the pre-revolutionary stat]
    • Appointed head of the Main Administration of Railroad Construction Camps
    • Awarded the Order of Lenin three times
    • Named a Hero of Socialist Labor
    • Promoted to the rank of general in the NKVD (Secret Police)”

    — Now you may continue with your glorification of the Bolshevik regime

  243. Somebody mentioned Chekhov?
    Actually American hippies were invented by Chekhov.
    The framework for hippies was enshrined in his novel Chaika.

  244. @annamaria

    the fastest growing in the world.

    No, it was not. You continue to quote some dubious sources and continue to push your ignorant POV. Here is what reality was–the gap between Russia and developed countries in 1901 actually substantially increased by 1913. Yet, you continue your narrative ignoring the fact that you cannot compile any coherent and scientifically justified argument other than Jews Did It and Solzhenitsyn’s Caricature of Russia is Valid. Here are real academic sources:

    https://nikolay-siya.livejournal.com/698351.html

    In fact per capita GDP in Russia was falling constantly. Oh wait, you cannot read Russian sources, but at least you will recognize English-language ones, such as these:

    A.G. Kenwood, A.L Lougheed. The Growth of International Economy 1820–1990. L,NY: Routledge, 1992

    or

    J.A.S. Greenville. A History:, pp.16, 24–25, 33, 53–54.

    And mind you, I already stated verified archive data on WW I to you.

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  245. @Andrei Martyanov

    ‘…You can’t. I mean you can but to no avail. The reasons for that are social and have everything to do with American larger, semi-secular, exceptionalism faith which permeates whole US body-politic..’

    It’s a red herring, but I’ve noticed this concept of a widespread American belief in our own ‘exceptionalism’ becoming a commonplace.

    The difficulty is that the implication is that it is confined to America. In my experience, it’s the usual state of affairs: Russians, Frenchmen, Englishmen, Italians, Canadians, Chinese, Japanese, Danes, Swedes, Finns and just about everyone else tends to believe in their own superiority, when it comes right down to it. The only exceptions would be such states as Germany, with its masochistic guilt complex, and Mexico, with its inferiority complex vis-a-vis the United States — and I’m not sure such national pathologies are preferable.

    So one can refer to an American belief in our own ‘exceptionalism.’ However, one might as well observe that most Americans have five toes on each foot. It’s a common condition.

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  246. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “LOL.”
    — Was it the description of Frenkel’s heroic achievements that made you LOL?

    Our discussion boils down indeed to the black-and-white take: Does the goal justifies means? — Mr. Martyanov and Mrs. Rozumova answer happily, “Yes!”
    The Russian author Dostoyevsky had something to say about that.

    No wonder you dislike Platonov and hate Solzhenitsyn.

    As for the comparison between the industrial and agricultural development in the pre-revolutionary and Stalinist Russia, here is a more recent study: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/golosov/files/cggt_revision.pdf

  247. @annamaria

    During the decades prior to the outbreak of the First World War, the Russian economy was booming. In fact, between 1890 and 1913, it was the fastest growing in the world.

    Another, new math from RKMP (do you know what this abbreviation stands for?). OK, let me demonstrate to you on a simple example WHY what you propose here is utter disinformation. Let us direct our sights to famous 1914 Annual Statistical Digest under the supervision of Sharago, St. Petersburg, page 871. Let’s see what’s the deal with Steel production in “booming” Russian economy, granted that Steel is in the foundation of military and economic might in the industrial age.

    Here is how the production grew in Russia from 1909 to 1913 in terms of per capita steel (in Puds–16 kg):

    1909-0.9; 1912–1.3—–> the growth of 144%, Great.

    Now, for comparison, we go to Russia’s main WW I nemesis, Germany:

    1909-11.6; 1912–15.9—-> the growth of 137 %.

    Hooray, Russia’s economy is “booming”. But wait, per capita (why it is important, later) Germany already in 1909 has a catastrophic advantage of more than 13 fold on Russia, by 1912 it remains pretty much the same more than 12 fold. But that per capita index gives great insight into the massive (catastrophic) advantage Germany has by 1912 in her machine-building complex (a main consumer of steel). GDP structure mattered, matters and will matter–this is not what they teach in US ‘economic” schools. I already presented to you the table from Krivosheev, a world-renown military statistician, lieutenant-general, which testifies to the utter backward shape Russian army entered WW I with more than 2/3 (just read this and try to wrap you brain around it–two thirds) of Russian “booming” economy trying to supply her Army on WW I fronts and failing miserably at that. If you want absolute conversion of Steel, consider the fact that RI population in 1913was 175 million, Germany’s 68 million. 175/68=2.6 this is your coefficient to absolute comparison of steel production. In other words, 2.6 times smaller Germany was producing 5 times more steel that Russia. That is why Kaiser’s Army was equipped on order of magnitude better than Russian one. We know the result–one sided (order of magnitude) advantage of Germans in terms of casualties against Russian Army which was literally bled white on the Eastern Front. But then again, we are getting into the CINC indices here and it is beyond the scope of this “discussion”.

    Per quality of life in Russian Empire I have no interest whatsoever to discuss it with pretty much any Westerner since they know crapola about it and have very few ways to obtain weighted and reliable data on that and, as you might have guessed it, this data is primarily from Russian statistical and cultural sources, much of which hasn’t been translated to English. Some was. So, it is a waste of time discussing here Rubakin’s 1912 work, nor Engelgard’s. I will put it in a simple word–constant hunger and malnutrition. Huge majority of Russian Army and Navy recruits ate meat for the first time in their lives only upon entering military service. Most of them were also illiterate. Now, just to give you some heads up on situation of Russia in 1990s and “democracy” you propagate here–very many Russian recruits (prizyvniki) to the Armed Forces had been grossly malnutritioned and many have been on the verge of full blown dystrophia. They were literally on quarantine first few months for “otkormka” (feeding). In fact, there was a hidden famine in Russia. These were the results of Western-“inspired” reforms and of criminal regime US fully bankrolled in 1990s. Nobody lost sleep over this, yet, GULAG-obsessed self-righteous ignoramuses continue to pretend that they know something without having ZERO tools: academic, life experiences, cultural, linguistic etc. to pass a sound judgement on Russia and continue to produce, time after time, pseudo-historic trash thus remaining totally ignorant on the real engines of Russian history. Well, don’t we see empirical evidence of this every day? Now, do you want us do discuss Russia’s agriculture in early 20th century?

  248. @Colin Wright

    It’s a red herring

    Well, then we have nothing to discuss. Meanwhile, open Democracy in America by Alexis De Tocqueville (1837, no less). What a maroon that Tocqueville was, and why is he considered a classic?

    All free nations are vainglorious, but national pride is not displayed by all in the same manner. The Americans in their intercourse with strangers appear impatient of the smallest censure and insatiable of praise. The most slender eulogium is acceptable to them; the most exalted seldom contents them; they unceasingly harass you to extort praise, and if you resist their entreaties they fall to praising themselves. It would seem as if, doubting their own merit, they wished to have it constantly exhibited before their eyes. Their vanity is not only greedy, but restless and jealous; it will grant nothing, whilst it demands everything, but is ready to beg and to quarrel at the same time. If I say to an American that the country he lives in is a fine one, “Ay,” he replies, “There is not its fellow in the world.” If I applaud the freedom which its inhabitants enjoy, he answers, “Freedom is a fine thing, but few nations are worthy to enjoy it.” If I remark the purity of morals which distinguishes the United States, “I can imagine,” says he, “that a stranger, who has been struck by the corruption of all other nations, is astonished at the difference.” At length I leave him to the contemplation of himself; but he returns to the charge, and does not desist till he has got me to repeat all I had just been saying. It is impossible to conceive a more troublesome or more garrulous patriotism; it wearies even those who are disposed to respect it.

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  249. @annamaria

    Cheremukhin: Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas; Golosov: Princeton; Guriev: Sciences Po, Paris, and CEPR; Tsyvinski: Yale.

    This is where any discussion must stop, after reading this. I just wrote a book, and am writing another one (you may also see what I am writing on the topic of Keldysh Applied Math modelling) on how all those economic “theories” are complete crap and I certainly wouldn’t waste my time on whiteboard “growth models” which fail time after time to account for a defining factor of warfare which blows all those creative economic math theories and “researches” out of the water. Keldysh institute has world-class mathematicians, but even there:

    http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/06/why-mathematical-models-break-down-and.html

    But even these “economists” you presented have to admit that:

    The Russian economy in 1885-1913 grew at 1.8 percent per annum in per capita terms. We do not use the wage data directly as a large fraction of agricultural income was in kind.
    However, the economy did not experience structural transformation from agriculture. The
    primary occupation for about 85 percent of the working-age Russian population was agriculture
    in 1885, and this fraction declined very slowly, to 82 percent in 1913. The role of agriculture in
    the value added was also very important, with about 54 percent of GDP produced in agriculture
    in 1885, declining only to 47 percent in 1913.

    Any discussion with Western, especially American “economism” which is neither educated nor aware of actual defining factor of war (when was the last time US proper was bombed, would you be so nice as to remind me?) is a waste of time. Especially those from so called “liberal” economic school which is as related to the actual economic reality as I am related to Chinese people.

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  250. @annamaria

    No wonder you dislike Platonov and hate Solzhenitsyn.

    Well, feel free to continue partake in Sozhenitsyn’s lies but sure, I did commit a thought crime by calling Solzhenistsyn who he really is–falsifier and most likely useful idiot of CIA and likes (there is a compelling case about it). As per Platonov, whom I allegedly “dislike”, in reality he is not my taste, but you don’t like Pikul, so you must be something-something, we can easily make an arrangements to accuse you of something, right? Just on the merit of you not liking Valentin Pikul, or, Alexey Tolstoy, for that matter. For now, however, I don’t accuse you of anything other than you pushing totally bunk and grossly distorted Western view of Russia. For years it is my official (in fact I only became even more convinced) position that American “Russian studies field” is a sewer. Always was after WW II, with some minor exceptions. In fact, America is steadily sliding into, for now, mental totalitarianism and epistemic closure, with actual political one being not that far away. I have some free (relatively) time so I have some fun communicating on the discussion boards at Unz. It also helps to maintain focus, otherwise I will slide into writing some pieces on jazz-fusion or will discuss sports.

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  251. @annamaria

    your quote:
    As for your enthusiasm for the Soviet industrialization, collectivization and such, you need to consult the data on the industrial development in the pre-revolutionary Russia. The article has some bits of information:

    Please be precise when we come to serious discussion.
    I have never shown anywhere any enthusiasm for collectivization ever.
    Why?
    Because collectivization was the single act that brought down the communist system.

    I am little bit annoyed by Shamir and the rest claiming that Russian revolution was Bolshevik.
    It was not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It was Communist party revolution under leadership of general secretary of Communist party Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
    There was actually not a revolution. It was seizing of the power. The storming of the Winter palace. Bloodless coup. Nobody died.
    The first order of the day was nationalization of the means of production.
    Worker unions did take care of that.
    Concerning nationalization of agricultural production the party run into strong opposition not only in public but also in the party itself.
    Great numbers of the people wanted to divide the lands of nobility and large landowners and give it to peasants.
    The idea of collectivization was so controversial that Lenin had no choice other than call General congress of the party where the matter was discussed. Peasant wing of the party was strongly against collectivization. Practically all Ukrainian Communists were against collectivization.
    In the end of discussion Lenin did call for the vote. Those who wanted collectivization (dis appropriation of all lands large and also small and put the ownership of the land in the hands of state, and by creation of kolkhozes.) did win. (catastrophe in the making)
    The winners got the name Bolsheviks. (more bigger}
    The losers were called Mensheviks (less smaller)

    Many Mensheviks left the communist party as particularly Ukrainian and Cossack’s

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  252. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Because collectivization was the single act that brought down the communist system.

    You may want to read this by Timakov.

    http://rusnext.ru/recent_opinions/1532606343

    The communist system in USSR was not communist already during Stalin who repeated not for once and I quote: “We need (new) theory”. Communism as ideology was dead completely by 1960s. While retaining many outward features (some propaganda, ritualism etc.) it was something else altogether. Recall, if you may, Andropov’s famous “we don’t know the country we are living in”. Remind you, Andropov, a KGB Chairman and then Secretary General said that. Now, we are trying to argue with people brainwashed by all kinds of mostly Jewish “version” of Russia and, of course, such ignoramuses like Solzh, who was completely detached from Russian/Soviet realities from 1970s through 1990s in the times of a snail mail (not that he knew them well before)–so you have people, products of US education system, who cannot grasp even basic facts of Russia’s 19th and 20th Century history. These are precise same types of people, who, (I don’t know if they ever read Carl Sandburg’s Lincoln’s biography) , as described by Sandburg from US press in 1863 were revolted by the fact that Russia (ah, so evil, as always) helped the Union by sailing her two naval squadrons to New York (Admiral Lesovsky) and SF (Admiral Popov) which took British diplomacy by a devastating surprise. The danger of British invasion on behalf of Confederacy subsided. So, get it? While saving own ass, Russian squadrons helped to save American asses but even this was not good enough for North “elites” who were so superior as to be disgusted by their asses saved by totalitarian Russians. Thankfully, majority of simple Americans didn’t think this way, but, I guess, the more things change–the more they stay the same.

    Back to collapse. The MAIN reason for a collapse of the so called “communism” in USSR was two fold:

    1. Increasing centrifugal forces on ethnic fringes and economic disparities–Russia literally fed all those stans and most of Caucasus;

    2. The best standard of living ever in Russian history, including extremely high educational level of population which wanted more. All that greatly aided by revolutionary development of modern mass-media from Radio, TV (including satellite networks which USSR pioneered), music recording, etc.

    There is a certain ring of truth to what Keith Suter states: “The Red Army could resist a NATO invasion in Eastern Europe but not televised transmission of Dallas and Dynasty”. from Why The Cold War Ended, page 191. Soviet people wanted better cars, better TVs and better washing machines, they also wanted better choices in food. They wanted it precisely for the reasons of USSR, its mostly Slavic parts becoming increasingly first world in its outlook and tastes. It was a thoroughly modern country. So, some changes were needed–but it took coward and mediocrity of Gorbachev and his sycophants to screw it that badly. We know the rest. As per Elena Prudnikova, one of the best Russian contemporary historians–collectivization is not black and white, but Timakov’s piece greatly augments Prudnikova’s excellent works on this issue.

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    , @Ivan K.
  253. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “Alexey Tolstoy”– The “third “Tolstoy? No, thank you.

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  254. @Andrei Martyanov

    But we tend to blame everything what happened in the USSR, and especially the definitive fall of the USSR and its socialist system on Gorbachev, but this was not a one day job, but according with some authors, this was in the making from the 50s onwards, when, preceded by an intellectual informative warfare, a period towards the complete dismantling of the Soviet economic system started, this is to say, a state of war, obviously helped from within by an unpatriotic 5th column serving foreign interests only for profit.

    The following article was written by Tatiana Khabarova on February 29, 2000 for the magazine “North Compass”, which finally did not publish it.

    https://culturaproletaria.wordpress.com/2017/05/15/breve-historia-economica-de-la-urss/

    Translation from the Spanish translation by the site from hist-socialismo.net ( bold is mine ):

    [MORE]

    What would have been the course of events in the USSR if a real, rather than virtual, restoration of the bourgeois regime had taken place in the country?

    A true restoration of capitalism, even if only partially, could only occur for one reason: if the socialist relations of production were revealed, at first, unable to guarantee the further rise of the productive forces of our society, and objectively it is necessary to recover certain elements of the basis of private property to ensure the progress of the productive forces.

    In our country there was a similar situation in the period of Lenin’s NEP.

    What was the element of the basis of private property that the socialist economy needed, then in formation? It was the monetary-mercantile relations or value relationships. Since at that time the form of manifestation and action of the law of value in the socialist society was still unknown, it was necessary to temporarily retreat to the monetary-mercantile relations in their “habitual” capitalist form.

    This strategic retreat took place under the total control of the proletarian State and quickly produced the expected results, that is, the general resuscitation of the productive forces and, on this basis, a certain political stabilization.

    However, the achievements of the NEP should not be exaggerated. Initially, the NEP could not solve any of the problems that were posed to Soviet Russia, in the path of SOCIALIST development that had been chosen. All he could do was recover 75%, against the level of 1913, of the Russian industry that had been destroyed by the imperialist war, by the crazy management of the “democrats” of that time (Provisional Government), by the revolt of the white guards and the foreign intervention. The industry only began to surpass the level of 1913 with the launching of the socialist industrialization, in 1926. The mercantile production of cereals, in 1927, as soon as it represented half of the production previous to the war. In 1929 it was necessary to introduce the sign supply system into a series of essential foodstuffs and consumer goods.

    At the same time, in the course of the construction of socialism, the Soviet power incessantly sought ways of functioning value (market) relationships that were an organic part of socialism and guarantee the distribution of the results of social production in the interest of the working masses. These searches were carried out successfully.

    The contours of the socialist modification of the law of value began to be delineated with certainty at the beginning of the 1930s. Without this fundamental structural discovery – whose importance in Marxist literature is, quite often, completely underestimated – the further construction of socialism in the USSR would have been impossible. The beginning of the formation of the “socialist market” allowed the NEP to be completed in a natural and necessary way. The NEP was not abolished administratively, as is often stated. He simply fulfilled his task and stopped being necessary.

    THIS IS THE WAY IT IS PRESENTED the picture of temporary and partial regression to the historically inferior regime, when it is really necessary and dictated by objective causes.

    But nothing similar was observed in the USSR, and then in Russia, in the times of Gorbachev-Yeltsin, although in the dawn of perestroika many compared it with the NEP.

    Unquestionably, throughout the so-called period of “stagnation” – when Brezhnev led the Party and the State – there were perceptible serious obstruction phenomena in the Soviet economy and in the social sphere. According to the traditional diagnosis of Marxist political economy, “the base, acquired in the configuration, stopped the development of the productive forces” and therefore needed radical improvements.

    What was the main defect that prevented the socialist base in the USSR, between the 60s and 80s, from fulfilling its role as the “main driving force of the productive forces” (as Stalin formulated)? This crucial defect has a direct relationship with the informative-intellectual war, unleashed against us in the 1950s, and consisted in the deliberate destruction, by the fifth column, of the STALIN ECONOMIC MODEL. The economic model of Stalin is a mechanism of continuous and massive reduction of costs and prices in the national economy, on the basis of which there was a rapid increase in the material, social and cultural welfare of workers in the USSR.

    One of the most important components of Stalin’s economic model is precisely the, previously named, socialist modification of the law of value. In the period of Stalin it was called “TWO-SCALE PRICE SYSTEM”. The importance of the socialist modification of value is truly enormous, since it acts in our society in a manner analogous to the action of the LAW OF THE AVERAGE RATE OF GAIN in capitalism: that is, in the essential, the principle of the distribution of profit, created by social production. In capitalism, social benefit, in the form of profit over capital, is appropriated by practically the entire bourgeois class. In socialist society, the benefit is given to the workers through the mechanism of regular reduction of retail prices and the systematic expansion of free social consumption funds.

    And it was precisely this economic construction, the most complex and perfect in the history of the world economy, which was destroyed as a result of a series of “initiatives” in the 50s and 60s. After the famous “economic reform” of 1965, it can be considered that the socialist economic mechanism was totally disabled.

    If we summarize the effect of the damages caused, we can say that the socialist property of the whole people was deprived of the principle, which was adequate, of formation and distribution of the benefit of the socialized means of production. In any bourgeois state, this would be equivalent to someone artificially blocking the action of the law of the average rate of profit and the process of formation of benefit over capital. And the fact that the Soviet economy, already mutilated with such seriousness, has continued to keep the country “afloat” for 25 years, will it not be the proof of its exceptional vitality and the enormous productive potential it contains?

    This way, the socialist economy in the USSR, at the end of the period of “stagnation”, did not need any new NEP (that is, a new setback towards capitalism). On the contrary, it needed a decided DEPURATION of those “setbacks towards capitalism”, artificial and destructive, which were introduced by the “reformers”, revisionist agents, over the decades, direct predecessors of Gorbachev. The economy of the USSR needed a powerful regenerative sanitation and the reinforcement of its SOCIALIST nucleus, of the socialist principle that existed in it, and that nucleus was precisely Stalin’s model of management of the socialized economy. In general, we no longer needed to adopt practically nothing from the West, except for certain aspects of secondary importance. We should have returned, with all determination, to the innovative and genuinely socialist path opened under the leadership of Stalin. This path implied – and today continues to imply – the establishment of an economic system not only different, compared to that of the West, but superior, compared to the entire exploitative economic past of civilization.

    BUT NOT BEING the restoration of capitalism – albeit partial, in the spirit of the NEP – absolutely necessary to our national economy, let us admit for a moment that, in spite of everything, it was necessary. In this case, the consequence of the “reforms” of Gorbachev-Yeltsin would be the elimination of the “blockages” in the economy, the overcoming of the phenomena of crisis, the increase of the production, the influx of investments, the elevation of the qualifications of the labor force, the growth of solvent demand and the standard of living of the population. Instead of all this, we see the fall in GDP by half – ten times less compared to Soviet projections – the reduction of the state budget, the massive closure of industrial and agricultural enterprises, the backwardness in cutting-edge technologies, unemployment, indigence and misery on an unprecedented scale. This is not a result that allows us to talk about what happened as a change of the social regime, caused by internal contradictions of the Soviet system. History does not commit nonsense such as substituting a regime that hindered (we admit) the development of the productive forces by another that simply destroyed them. We have here, before us, a completely different process, to which, for a long time, the time has come to call him, once and for all, for his true name, which responds to its objective nature: WAR; imperialist intervention of a new special type, through the complicity of internal collaborators and internal criminal organizations; the establishment of an occupationist diktat on the country, whose aims, precisely, only and exclusively, are occupation and enslavement.

  255. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    ” I just wrote a book, and am writing another one on how all those economic “theories” are complete crap…”

    — We already agreed on the excellence of the Soviet educational system and on the excellence of Russian literature and fine arts. However, you avoid the main point of my posts: Does a goal justifies any means? What the value of the fast industrialization and collectivization when they are generated by the barbaric practices and rely on the massive deaths and sufferings of the innocent?

    I am sure that you are a fine mathematician and engineer and connoisseur of theater and literature. However, what do you think about the unique spiritual contribution of Russian culture, namely, the ability for self-search and self-criticisms? This is something that avoids stat analysis. And this is also something that went against the Soviet ideology.

  256. @Andrei Martyanov

    ‘Meanwhile, open Democracy in America by Alexis De Tocqueville (1837, no less). What a maroon that Tocqueville was, and why is he considered a classic?’

    Leaving aside whether de Tocqueville was actually a reddish purple hue, I’ll note that what America was like in 1837 is hardly a reliable guide to what it’s like today.

    Pushkin has some fine short stories mocking serfdom in Russia as it existed in his day. I take it we can assume that social relations in the Russian countryside are still as he describes?

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  257. @annamaria

    ‘…However, what do you think about the unique spiritual contribution of Russian culture, namely, the ability for self-search and self-criticisms? This is something that avoids stat analysis. And this is also something that went against the Soviet ideology.’

    It seems to be conspicuously absent from Martyanov’s posts as well.

    I’ll grant American patriotism has its blind and prickly side — but I’m unconvinced he’s in a position to criticize.

    The thing is, everybody is really like this. The French can be spectacularly easy to offend if you just choose the wrong topic. Ditto for the English (‘class system? We’ve no class system? How can you think that?’)

    Everyone is like this — or almost everyone. Even those who affect self-castigation — like the British — turn out to be as proud and culturally egocentric as the rest of us if you pierce the skin a bit.

  258. @annamaria

    Czar did send Dostoevsky for quite a few years to Siberia
    After that Dostoevsky became a masochist with masochistic brain.
    Just like Bill Maher.

  259. @annamaria

    – We already agreed on the excellence of the Soviet educational system and on the excellence of Russian literature and fine arts. However, you avoid the main point of my posts: Does a goal justifies any means? What the value of the fast industrialization and collectivization when they are generated by the barbaric practices and rely on the massive deaths and sufferings of the innocent?

    We agreed on nothing. So far you provided ZERO, none, ziltch substantive answers to any of my open challenges to you–you avoid them. When the United States will lose (God forbids) 3.5 KIAs, 4.5 million civilians dead as a direct result of WW I then, maybe, you will understand what it is. For now, you don’t–not even close. So, that is why you avoid answering a direct question I posted to you in here:

    http://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__the-jewish-role-in-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-russias-early-soviet-regime/#comment-2574854

    So, sorry, I am frankly revolted by not only your sheer militant ignorance but with superficial pontification on the issue of what is going to happen to a hungry devastated country. You are either beginning to play dumb in the face of overwhelming verified historic data of which you never heard before or you are really a typical product of American so called “elites” who wax moralistic when have no answers (and they don’t) to facts. So, if you do not understand how revolutions happen than I have no time to waste on you. At least read Muliykov, he is in English. Otherwise, I suggest you concentrate more on the topic which suits you better-discussing Jews and a very real damage they do to the US. Obviously, you never heard of Leonid Sobolev (google, google, dive, dive) and never read Capital Repair, especially introductory author’s monologue. So, yes, it was worth it. Why? I do not suggest you go there with your questions. Have a nice life.

  260. @Colin Wright

    Leaving aside whether de Tocqueville was actually a reddish purple hue, I’ll note that what America was like in 1837 is hardly a reliable guide to what it’s like today.

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    Karl Rove, 2004. Yes, things got much worse since De Tocqueville. Much-much worse. Do you need to learn who Karl Rove is and what was his influence? I am sure you can google it yourself.

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  261. annamaria says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Please, stay with your Israeli tastes for arts and literature and don’t try to bring dirt into the discussion on the horrors of the Bolshevik regime.

    Dostoyevsky and his creations belong to the world culture. Even you missed reading his works, this does not excuse your vulgar comparison.

    By the way, Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy is the “first” Tolstoy; there was also a poet Count Aleksey Konstantinovich Tolstoy. The pedestrian sellout Aleksey Tolstoy was called derogatorily the “third Tolstoy” by his decent contemporaries.

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  262. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Czar did send Dostoevsky for quite a few years to Siberia

    He became epileptic because his life was spared literally last minute. Very many people might become one under such conditions. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Albeit, it was still better–his life was spared.

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  263. S says:
    @annamaria

    ..Does a goal justifies any means? What the value of the fast industrialization and collectivization when they are generated by the barbaric practices and rely on the massive deaths and sufferings of the innocent?

    I am sure that you are a fine mathematician and engineer and connoisseur of theater and literature. However, what do you think about the unique spiritual contribution of Russian culture, namely, the ability for self-search and self-criticisms? This is something that avoids stat analysis. And this is also something that went against the Soviet ideology.

    You make a very valid point, annamaria.

    Just as the individual at minimum has a uniquely physical and equally important uniquely spiritual aspect to him or herself, so does a people.

    In the destructiveness you’ve described, both Capitalism and Communism, the one with an artificial hyper-individualism, the other with an artificial hyper-collectivism, they are simply flip sides of the very same coin.

    Neither system takes into account we are dealing with person’s lives, and that people as both individuals and as part of larger peoples are not simply ‘cogs in a machine’, to be used up and discarded as so much flotsam and jetsam, and that yes, indeed, persons as well as peoples have unique personalities and spirits about them.

    These two non-reality facing ‘twin’ ideologies both call an acknowledgement of that entirely natural and healthy state of things ‘hate’, and in that they both war together against the peoples of the world and humanity as a whole.

    Neither system can seem to even get by without slavery being a major (primary?) part of it’s economic system, whether its Capitalism’s wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration) or Communism’s forced labor (ie ‘Gulag’, etc) camps.

    There is no love or compassion towards one’s fellow man or woman in Capitalism and Communism.

    They both war against the human spirit.

    Both systems are anti-life as is the ‘convergance’ of the two which forms multi-culturalism.

    You add two zeros together, you still get zero.

  264. @Andrei Martyanov

    ‘…Karl Rove, 2004. Yes, things got much worse since De Tocqueville. Much-much worse. Do you need to learn who Karl Rove is and what was his influence? I am sure you can google it yourself.’

    If I may be so sadistic, I’ll note that you’re only proving my point.

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  265. @Andrei Martyanov

    ‘…He became epileptic because his life was spared literally last minute. Very many people might become one under such conditions…’

    Perhaps a study should be conducted to test the validity of that assertion. However, I suppose it would run afoul of ethical considerations…

    Still, perhaps the Chinese! After all, they’re practical enough to sell off the organs of those they execute. Perhaps we could pay them to not execute the subjects necessary for the study. That would seem to address the moral problems. After all, if I’m to be executed, I’ll take a last minute reprieve and possible epilepsy instead.

    And it would be for science. As to what to do with the subjects that China obviously wouldn’t want back, we could send them to Germany or Canada or some such welcoming place.

  266. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “… another propaganda cliche by Western ideologists who pretend to care about Russians and decry the fate of Kulaks without understanding what this fate is, not to mention having no clue who Kulaks actually were ( a hint–they were not peasants, they were usury-mongers).”
    — Mr. Martyanov, to what strata of the Russian society did your ancestors belong to? Let me guess — they were never close to agriculture, hence your very special definition of “kulak.” https://kulaks.weebly.com/what-happened-to-them.html

    There were famines in Russia. Have you heard about the population explosion after the 1861? Of course you have. And you sure know about the Stolypin reforms. And you sure understand that the WWI had closed the window of opportunity for the normal development in Russia — since the economic disarray, and the huge numbers of refugees from the western part of Russian empire, became combined with the activities of “revolutionary elements” (described in Dostoyevsky’s “Demons” ). The “demons” had the means to overcome the weakened power of the state. The most important tool of the “demons” was their moral relativism, the lack of respect for Russian culture, and the obnoxious belief that they “knew better.”

    You prefer to ignore a description of the “heroic acts” of Naftali Frenkel, one of the “heroes” of the Bolshevik regime. Why? You have been trying to win the argument by providing statistics. Naftali Frankel fits perfect to your approach. Would you be happy to be a comrade of Naftali Frankel? He was certainly a very efficient man. What about a very efficient Kaganovitch?

    Your posts create an impression that you are consciously trying to whitewash the exploits of Lenin and his retinue of ambitious bandits. If the moral aspect is dismissed, then what is the difference between the Bolshevik regime and the current US empire? – Zero.

    One more time: It was the genius and perseverance of the Russian people, which allowed Russia to survive as a country and civilization — not the Bolshevik revolution and not the Bolshevik “leaders.” You can stomp your feet in anger and demand attention to the numbers, while dismissing the mass murder of the millions of Russians as “unworthy” of the Bolshevik enterprise — but this will not change the historical truth: the Bolshevik revolution was a disaster for the Russian people and Russian culture. The country has been recovering since then, despite the horrific wounds inflicted on her psyche and genetic pool.

  267. @annamaria

    I have read two works by Dostoevsky.
    One was depressing, and the second one was really, really depressing.
    I let you guess which they were.
    (When I did take out the second one from library the librarian told me that I do not have to bring it back. So I kept it.)
    I do admit I have never heard about about Tolstoy 2 and 3. Or maybe I did hear but it did not stick in my memory.

    And now two examples:

    Please!
    Allow me tell you something about idyllic times of the Czarist Russia.
    Czar Nikolay ll in preparation for his wedding purchased large number barrels of beer from Germany. The beer was to be served free to onlookers.
    At the wedding there was fenced off waiting area, and than there was serving area.
    When small door was opened the peasants broke the fence and the stampede was so violent that more than two hundred Russians were trampled to death.
    Imagine! More than two hundred Russians lost their lives for one FN beer .
    I did not follow the progress of building of breweries under Communist system,
    but I have never heard of similar event after happening.

    And now concerning Stalin.
    His son served in military in the war. He was pilot, leader of the squadron.
    He was shut down and captured by Germans. When the Germans did find out who he was, they wanted to negotiate his release. Stalin inner circle wanted Stalin to negotiate.
    Stalin uttered precisely two sentences. These were his two sentences:
    I have no son!
    I have no reason to negotiate with Germans.
    His son eventually died in Prisoner camp in Germany.

    (I do like you very much! You are not complaining about my comma’s)

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  268. @annamaria

    Hero of Bolsheviks was Oleg Koshevoy. Maybe Chapayev also. Stakhanov was a cheat.

  269. @annamaria

    Again. You are talking about things you do not know with aplomb of an expert. Kulaks were village gobseks. They used dire conditions of other peasants to lend them wheat, horses and whatever those peasants lacked for outrageous interest. Those peasants later could not get out of debt and often had to not only give large portion of what they grew to kulaks but also worked on kulaks land. Kulaks also assambled gangs later to kill activists peasants, committed other crimes hence their eventual destiny was richly deserved. Fyi, there was no more famines in Russia after 30’s with only exception being famine of 1946 due to war.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  270. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    AAAAAAAAAA
    Now I do remember.
    I have also read a third one. “Idiot.”
    Czar got convinced by himself or by rumors that in personality of Mishkin Dostoevsky is describing him. That is why Czar did send Dostoevsky to Siberia.
    …………………………………………………………………………………
    There was mentioned a website about Kulaks.
    I have read it. It is total B.S.
    There were one or max two Kulaks per village. mostly in Ukraine.
    The numbers there are totally grotesque.

  271. @Them Guys

    Zionism is Communism for Jews.

    Communism is Zionism for Gentile Goyim.

    Both a Jewish invention, both Run by and Profited from by, Jews.

    I think you could say the same for capitalism. Take a look at Wall St. Who runs the banks?
    The Federal Reserve is a private bank, that is capitalism, private ownership, if congress was in charge of the money supply would that not be socialism?
    Look at how facebook, youtube, google, twitter, etc are censoring political speech on the internet, everyone is screaming about freedom of speech, the constitution, but private companies can do as they wish, they do not give a care about your rights or constitution, you want freedom of speech then these must be government run AKA socialism.
    Are you ok, with corporations like Monsanto, who made their living murdering folks with chemical weapons, taking over our food water supply? Putting patents on the food supply? The communists scare you? Better look at who is taking over in capitalist America, it ain’t gentiles.

    Same with mass immigration, this is for capitalism, they only care about more profit, they don’t care about you, your country or your culture. You’re no different than the africans or mexicans they’re doing their best to bring in, in fact you mean less to them because you’re less profitable.

    The government itself is not the problem imo, its the international corporations who can now legally throw endless money at government to do their bidding, thanks to corrupt SCOTUS and Citizens united.
    Government by the people and for the people is not so bad. This system of corrupt puppet government, by the corporations and foreign lobbies like AIPAC is the problem.
    just my opinion…….

  272. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Kriger

    “You are talking about things you do not know with aplomb of an expert.”

    –You are projecting, on the top of whitewashing the Stalin-Kaganovich-Molotov crimes against humanity. Plus you make yourself ridiculous by promoting the stories of “Pavlik Morozov” kind. This is not a politburo meeting where you need to prove your ideological fitness.
    Another admirer of N. Frenkel and L. Kaganovich.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  273. @Colin Wright

    It should be very clear by now that Team Russia is every bit as obnoxious as Team America (sometimes even more, in fact). They really wonder why so many of their neighbors accept empty promises (and outright lies) from the Americans?

  274. @annamaria

    “–You are projecting, on the top of whitewashing the Stalin-Kaganovich-Molotov crimes against humanity.”
    Maybe you stop this nonsense? What crimes exactly? Archives are wide opened. There is no millions dead. Got it? There were around 600 000 people condemned to death. many of those criminals. Not all were executed, it is for the period from 1921 to 1953. Considering what was going on in Russia it is amazing leniency. All of those whom you read stating tens of millions dead are liars. Hence there is no crime. However, there is real crime that started in 1991 and is ongoing that cost Russia 10+ million lives and demographic catastrophe which is ongoing and caused by people who are still around. Why won’t you concentrate your bleeding heart and outrage on those who caused this calamity ?
    Situation required tepid industrialization.Without it Russia would be annihilated by Nazis or smothered by “partners”. Obviously, you coming from different background as Andrei pointed lacks understanding of what real war is. Hence do not know the consequences of inaction or slow action when time is of the essence.

  275. @Sergey Krieger

    Maybe you stop this nonsense?

    Sergei,

    you have to understand–you are talking to people whose only task is to project their depressing and colossal complex of inferiority against the background of actual Jewish dominance of US media, power structure, foreign policy etc. In other words, they are insulted losers and cowards, who spew their BS from under some monikers, unlike Phil Giraldi’s measured and honest work, in the end–I also write about US being Israeli bully myself under my own name, and these people need to justify anything bad in the life of the US and, possibly, their own lives, by almighty Jew. Russia is merely a vehicle:

    1. As an ideological reinforcer of their perverted (grossly uneducated) world view–that is “look what Jews did to Holy Russia”.

    2. Russia, in their ideology, is viewed also as a potential vehicle for “settling the score” with Israel, Jews, whatever.

    So, basically don’t waste your time trying to conduct rational and substantive discussion with them–useless. Look around today’s US–do you see ANY sign of real common sense, rationality or competence? The country is hysterical and on the verge of a complete mental breakdown precisely for the reasons that it is not going “The American Way”. So, what do you expect? Now, consider also the fact that apart from being grossly uneducated in more general sense, and Russia specifically, you are talking to people who do not speak Russian, never were to Russia or if were–only in the touristy capacity, who do not understand even basic facts of modern Russian history and, moreover, you are talking to people who, for the most part, are completely insulated from ANY experiences of continental warfare in any sense. As even great Jewish-Polish-American falsifier of Russian history Richard Pipes admitted (in a rare instance of academic honesty and clarity)–“Such numbers are beyond the grasp of most Americans”.

    Just to give you some example of scale, Napoleon’s 1812 invasion of Russia in 5 and a half months saw millions, the exact number can never be established, military and civilian deaths combined. As General Bogdanovich stated in his report he observed catastrophic depopulation of many Gubernias. At Borodino alone Russians and French mutually slaughtered in 8 hours around 80 000 people–that is 15% of all dead in US Civil War. American Civil War which lasted 4 years saw about 600 000 deaths. These people, they have no clue of the effects of massive military-civilian losses, devastation, hunger, suffering, dislocation–the US history simply has NO comparable experiences. Russian Civil War makes US Civil War look like a stroll in the park. In other words, don’t waste your time. I, certainly, will not. Let them simmer in their Jewses and pretend that they have a clue. I am getting really busy with the second manuscript so it is a good idea to concentrate on that. And yes, as I stated before, cognitive dissonances can have serious mental effect on some people. When they happen virtually non-stop, well–make your own conclusions.

  276. @Andrei Martyanov

    Brilliant (Particularly the beginning.)

  277. Mike P says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    This characterisation of your opponents misses the mark.

    You people keep insisting that the “archives are open” etc. Maybe so, and maybe they do support what you are saying. However, for those of us who don’t read Russian, we have no way to verify it – and having grown up and reached senility on a steady diet of anti-Soviet (and now anti-Russian) propaganda, it is a big adjustment to just let go of all those tales that seemed to prove our own moral superiority.

    Compare the situation to the alleged Holocaust. Here, the revisionists have made available all manner of documents and evidence; for example, you can read about how there are no mass graves to be found at the alleged death camps, how the alleged gas chambers were never exposed to cyanide and so forth. And yet, a solid majority in Western countries will not even consider letting go of this myth.

    In the case of the alleged crimes of the USSR, it should be possible to document for example that there are no huge mass graves in or near the alleged GULAG camps, or find photographic evidence showing that the camps were never large enough to contain the alleged numbers of prisoners etc. However, I have seen no such thing.

    Personally, I consider the revised, much lower number of victims more realistic; it is hard to see how, in the 20s and 30s, the USSR would have managed to rapidly industrialise, while at the same time crippling itself by indiscriminate persecution on the scale alleged by Solzhenitsyn. (Also, Solzhenitsyn, on pictures without a beard, looks like a bad actor to me.)

    Applying normal standards, you could reasonably reply that the crime has to be proven, not its absence. However, when people are inculcated with a story as thoroughly as with this one, in their perception the burden of proof will shift – they will consider it true unless proven wrong. The Holocaust revisionists have provided such proof, but you have not.

  278. @Andrei Martyanov

    It is obvious. I just have had enough when one after another article comes with this nonsense . This is how this kind of thing is getting drilled into majority heads. Non stop repetition. Same as with USA winning [email protected] in Western Europe belief. But it looks like useless anyway.

  279. @Mike P

    Pardon me for interfering but what crimes of the Soviet Union exactly you are talking about? All I see is you people bringing some invented numbers and information and practically missing the whole point of that period. Soviet Russia or Russia overall was fighting for her very survival and existence. There indeed were forces within that were working against the government and the people. They had to be dealt harshly and rapidly. Imagine what if in August 1991 those around”White House ” would have been dealt the way Chinese demonstrators in Beijing were treated? Yes brutally and with deadly effect. What if Yeltsin , Gorbachev and their retinue was promptly arrested and shot outright as enemies of the people who they actually were? The mob around “White House” in Moscow represented but a tiny minority. I will tell you. The Soviet Union would survive. Tens of millions across the former USSR would live. Millions who died due to USA running amok unchecked would have been alive. So, whose interests are more important that of majority of society or of those few individuals. Same thing was going on in 20-30’s in the Soviet Union but there was will to do things necessary and get rid of exposed enemies.

  280. Mike P says:

    I wrote “alleged crimes,” and I clearly indicated that I am quite open to the possibility that in fact large-scale persecutions and murders did not occur. I understand your passionate point of view, but you are not addressing my argument.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  281. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    So you are coming finally as an eager whitewasher of Frenkel, Kaganovich, Berman, Lenin, Yagoda, Brick, Zemlyachka and likes.

    There is another big thinker that has pronounced not long time ago that the price “worth it.” Take a note that it was not the price paid by the big tanker’s relatives:

    And why have you changed the topic and moved quickly to the 90-s? First thing first. The article is about the Bolshevik revolution and the role of the Jewish Bolsheviks in the Russian tragedy of the beginning of the 20th century.

    Nobody needs your exclamation marks for the Soviet industrialization — it was accomplished by the Russians and many of them died in the concentration camps. (Here comes Naftali Frenkel).

    The topic is the price that Russia has paid for the Bolshevik murderous policies. Stay on topic.

  282. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “… people whose only task is to project their depressing and colossal complex of inferiority against the background of actual Jewish dominance…”

    — You are a good engineer but you are a very bad psychologist unable to read people. Plus you are not a particularly polite person. Before I though that only Israelis could be so abrasive on the web.

    Why have you brought Napoleon into the discussion? For what reason? — Since it was your choice to talk about the Fatherland War of 1812 and about the Borodino battle, you should certainly remember the pondering on the true engine of history, which Tolstoy “assigned” to Field Marshal Kutuzov on the eve of the fateful Borodino battle. This pondering by Kutuzov-Tolstoy makes a striking contrast to the Bolshevik ideology. Or to be more precise, Russian mentality makes a striking contrast to Jewish mentally. Am I clear enough?

    Your posts are apologetic of the Bolshevik revolution. Why? — Because the stats were good in the 1960-s? What had happened to Russian clergy, peasantry, “intelligentsia,” officer corps, and nobility during the 1918 – 1937? For now all that you have produced in your apologia for the Bolshevik revolutions was, a la Mrs. Albright, “it was worth it.” — It was not.

    PS: A Q for you as a military man: Do you remember the shape of the Soviet brass (the highest echelon) just before the WWII and how this affected the level of Soviet casualties?

  283. @annamaria

    For your information revolution didn’t start with Lenin.
    Revolution started in Duma deposing Czar and putting him under house arrest in February.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  284. annamaria says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Have you noticed that the article is about the Bolshevik Revolution? There were two phases of the revolution of 1917/1918.

    There was also the Constitutional Assembly that was decisively dealt with by the Bolsheviks.

    And here a repost for you to think over: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/#comment-2576356
    Post 377: “Ford had his awakening on board a ship while on a peace mission to Europe:
    “It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn the ship back.”

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2014/03/resistance-to-jewish-power-henry-ford-part-1/

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  285. Seraphim says:
    @Mike P

    You miss a point. All these comminatory ‘comments’ are not intended to clear the matter, nor to address the argument either. They are the ‘two minutes hate’ sessions against the ‘Emanuel Goldstein’, the hate figure of the sovoks, Solzhenitsyn, accused that he invented the figures in the millions of the victims of Communism, and all the ‘western’ enemies of the USSR took it at face value, blinded by their ideological biases. Actually Solzhenitsyn gave these figures cautiously (and he was referring to all the loses suffered by the Russian people since 1917 to 1960 (not only to ‘executions’ that should have been recorded in the archives managed by the executioners) but during the very process of Revolution, Civil War, famines, repression, WW2, Gulag) and actually doubted them, waiting precisely for the archives to be opened and a proper research done).
    You will notice what care they take not to wet their feet in the murky waters of ‘Holocaust denial’ or ‘revisionism’. The subject of Jewish role in the Revolution continues to be taboo, either in Russia or in America. As a matter of fact Solzhenitsyn is vilified and demonized more in America than in Russia and there is no secret why.
    Their arguments that you can’t understand what was ‘really’ going on in the Soviet lands if you don’t read (in Russian) the sub-literature of Soviet scribblers is downright ridiculous. Tolstoy or Dostoevski are giants of the universal literature and they are more widely read outside Russia than in Russia.
    In fact they have no arguments and that’s why they revert to insults.They seem to be taken aback by the stand of Ron Unz and they don’t know how to tackle it. They can’t obviously confront him frontally.

  286. @annamaria

    I am well aware of that Jews are wanting to rule the world, and they are willing to sacrifice anything for final goal. First they wanted to rule the world using England. Than they wanted to rule the world through Russia and communist system. They even convinced Brezhnev to start by moving into Afghanistan.
    After Russian fiasco in Afghanistan they mowed to US and they do the same thing with US.
    I did make a several comments indicating what is happening but nobody noticed.
    Maybe my comments are difficult to digest.

  287. As I was not really there while events happened, I like to hear different opinions, and I think that to know what really happened in Russia, the best is to hear the protagonists….This is why, apart from reading with full attention what she has to say Tatyana Khabarova, I am also willing to hear this man, although we must take into account, and understand, that this kind of protagonist can not say it all…..but, you tell me, does not sound this man quite sincere and honest? I think so, especially when he declares himself still a communist….OMG, in these days we live in, when communism is so derogatorely considered! Whith all what is happening today in Russia!….When one thinks that he could have become millionaire….but… as it happens with real patriots….there he is….with his terrible back pain…..and most probably in a humble home…as a good communist….( I would like very much to meet him….and get to have enough of his confidence… so as he tells me all the truth….and all he knows….I send him a big hug! )

    Interview with Vladimir Kryuchkov, director of the KGB during the August 1991 coup d’état

    ( Translated from Spanish )

    http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/cheka/jefesdelkgb19171991/vladimirkriuchkov/entrevistaavladimirkriuchkov.html

    [MORE]

    The former chairman of the State Security Committee of the former Soviet Union (KGB), Vladimir Kryuchkov, who was the key figure in the attempted coup d’état on August 19, 1991, believes that the main mistake of the members of the GKCHP (Eleone’s note: committee for emergency situations) was not asking for support from his fellow citizens. Kryuchkov, 77, is an advisor to Systema, a stock exchange asset management company.

    Kryuchkov wears a flannel shirt and furry wool socks. The day is humid, and the former KGB president from 1988 to 1991 is sunk in an armchair, between a showy showcase and a couple of alpine landscapes. In his house, in the Muscovite neighborhood of Arbat, he recovers from the operation of a disc of the spine. The man who was the right-hand man of Yuri Andropov, the one who put ‘order’ in Hungary in 1956 and the one who organized the displacement of troops to Afghanistan in 1979, is shaken from time to time in pain and looks like a frail grandfather. This interview is a continuation of the dialogue we had after he published his memoirs, “Lichnoe delo” (“Private Matter”), where he makes a colorful description of the 17-month stay in jail that followed the August conspiracy. The former head of the KGB is still militating in communism, but he is not dogmatic. He defends private property and business freedom, and if he is given a choice between socialism and the Union (the USSR), he prefers the latter: ‘Let there be capitalism, but let there be the Union. That is the most important. I will support any non-communist, even if it is in favor of capitalism, to support the Union. ‘ Gorbachev, according to him, was a ‘myopic’ for not understanding that the Russian leaders needed a reason to end the USSR and take power.

    Question. Have things gone as bad for your country as you imagined in August 1991?

    Answer. My comrades and I believed that the situation was going to get worse, but we never imagined that it would go so badly. When we began our operation in August 1991, we wanted to avoid a great misfortune, although we did not think it would be so big. Now, ten years later, the misfortunes that have happened to us make the Russians evaluate the events of August 1991 in a different way and many reproach us for allowing the current situation. We feared that the USSR would disintegrate, but we thought that something would remain; We feared that there would be an industrial recession, but not to such an extent. At the beginning of 1992, Yegor Gaidar announced that prices would increase three or four times, but they did it a thousand times. In August of 1991 we had to act. If we had been silent, history would have judged us later.

    Q. Why did not you go ahead?

    A. We had everything ready, but on August 19, 20 and 21 there were no conditions to continue and we saw ourselves in a dead end. We could have continued, stopped everything, arrested dozens of people, put order, and everyone would have thought that the Gekachepists had deprived them of freedom and of the bright future. What we wanted was to stop the disintegration of the USSR and build a new power without spilling blood. We wanted to correct Gorbachev’s mistakes and those before him. We decided that, if there was a danger of victims or blood, we would interrupt the offensive no matter what stage it was in. The death of three drunk youths – one of them drugged – in Moscow was a very serious signal, because we saw that the Democrats had decided to shed blood. Along with the White House had gathered between 30,000 and 35,000 people, of which between 5,000 and 8,000 were active supporters of Yeltsin, and when they began to hand out vodka, bars and weapons between them, we decided to stop and go to Gorbachev to assess with him together the situation, but we did not get it. According to our estimates, the rallies organized by Democrats across the country brought together about 160,000 people. Not all were supporters of Yeltsin and not everyone understood what was happening. Many people had faith and the illusion that the democrats would bring freedom and happiness. If in those circumstances we had acted more decisively, the protests against us would have been extended and until now we would be justifying ourselves. I believe that we acted correctly both at the beginning and at the stop, because we had to demonstrate that there was a force in the country capable of opposing disintegration. In those days we did a very useful thing. The USSR should have disintegrated on August 20, after the signing of the Treaty of the Union, but we extended the life of the USSR until December. Gorbachev has a huge guilt for what and it happened after August. He could have used the power he still had, but, instead, he signed all the documents to dissolve the Union.

    Q. Gorbachev had little political weight at his return from Forós.

    A. Gorbachev could have done many things, but that would have been a risk to his private life, and he did not like the risk. Gorbachev likes to enjoy life. He gave power not to save people, but to save himself. Be that as it may, he was not capable of decisive action. He sent to prison who could support him and had no intention of promoting socialism or Soviet power.

    Q.Was Gorbachev really incommunicado in the dacha of Forós while you were acting in Moscow?

    A.On this there are many myths. It is true that I gave the order to cut communications, I mean those with which he could have taken special measures, but if he wanted to communicate with someone, he would have done it. In the courtyard he had a car, and at five in the afternoon, when my colleagues left Forós, he had Moscow called from there. Ours had tried to convince him to put himself at the head of the movement, but he thought about it and said that he was sick, that he has lumbago and that he was staying, and, as he shook hands with the visitors, he said: ‘May the devil take you, do it’, which surprised them a lot. If the Gekachepists had won, Gorbachev would have been with them. If they lost, against him. On August 18, when Gorbachev was told that they were going to save the country, he asked what would happen to Yeltsin. They told him that Yeltsin was coming back that night from Kazakhstan. Yeltsin, in fact, was drunk and was flying on a military plane to Moscow, and after landing, he went to his dacha in Arjánguelskoe. Gorbachev said that if Yeltsin was free, we would not do anything. I can not say that I demanded the arrest of Yeltsin, but it can be interpreted that way. Gorbachev became interested in Yeltsin, and when he realized that we had no repressive plan about him, my colleagues even observed a certain disenchantment in his face. We had no intention of arresting Yeltsin. We got in touch with his escort at night and reinforced it. Gorbachev understood that Yeltsin would be the central figure on which success depended. Then, when our people left Forós, he ordered dinner, a good red wine and watched a television comedy.

    Q.Where did your colleagues go back from Forós on the 18th at night?

    A.To the Kremlin. It was ten o’clock at night and we were waiting for them there. At four or five in the morning, I went home, slept an hour and a half, and at seven I was already on my feet. Six States were going to sign the Treaty of the Union on August 20, and if we did not avoid that signature, the USSR would cease to exist in an apparently legal manner. Yeltsin had already warned Gorbachev. We the members of the GKCHP did not act optimally. We made tactical and strategic mistakes, but the situation was so complicated that it was not possible to avoid them. Our great mistake was not to go to the town. If we had gone to the town, if we had received support and the streets had been filled with people … But we did not go to ask the people to go out, and that was our main mistake. The desire not to shed blood, not to alter normality, made us not address the people.

    Q. Maybe because they knew that people would go out to defend Yeltsin …

    A. Oh no! At that time, Yeltsin had already begun to lose authority. We feared confrontations. The democrats at that time were already exposed and began to get rich. They had destroyed many things. People noticed the deficiencies and there could have been a settling of accounts. We had very little time to prepare. We practically did it in a few days. The new draft Treaty of the Union was kept secret.

    Q. Do you militate in any party?

    A.I am still a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but strong protests are only possible when there is an organization and a leader. The communist party, with half a million militants, is an important organization, and Gennady Zyuganov speaks well, but a leader must not only be a man of his word, but also of action. I think we should show a more nuanced attitude towards Putin and not oppose everything he does. Putin does many interesting things and has shown himself to be a patriot. It is reinforcing the integrity of Russia, and that is something that we must support with all our forces.

    Q. Did you know Putin when he worked in the KGB?

    A. I knew he worked for us, but I had not met him before. Now I have seen him several times and talked to him. I was at the ceremony of his inauguration, at a reception he organized for the chequistas, and then, in December, at a party on the occasion of the day of the Chequistas. The advantage of Putin is that he replaced Yeltsin, and that is the only difference. He is a man with normal emotional reactions. Putin believes in God, he does not hide it, and I think he is sincere, although I, as a relatively atheist communist, would never be at the altar with the candle in my hand, and I can not understand that the communists of the past, like Yeltsin, could be.

    Q. Can it be said that Putin follows the tradition of the former KGB president, Yuri Andropov?

    A. Andropov was an orthodox communist and would be today. Putin is educated in another environment, with other ideas. And that’s fine, because you can not live anymore as we lived twenty years ago. We have crossed certain limits and are obliged to change. I think Putin is a man who cares honestly about what happens, who tries to do things as well as possible and who knows what he can say today and what he can only say tomorrow.

    Q. In Germany it has been said that Putin, when he was in the German Democratic Republic, worked in a group of officers preparing perestroika in that allied country of the USSR.

    A. No. That’s a myth. That was not our task at all.

    Q. Does Putin have his own project or does he carry out the project of those who supported him, including Yeltsin’s own family?

    A. I think he has his own face. Putin is a serious politician who must be taken into account. We do not need guys like Yeltsin at all. From Putin we can not say the same, because he is the person around whom there can be a broad consensus. Putin tries to unite everyone, and that is why it is not surprising that he is so cautious. I think Putin’s policy is correct, and I would even accelerate it.

    Q. How?

    A.Look at Belarus, which is eager for a union (with Russia), or Moldova, which is ready to join tomorrow, or Armenia, which lives in fear for its destiny. Look at Tajikistan, where they only think about how to stay together with Russia. All Central Asia is alone against the Taliban and the Muslim world.

    Q. Does Russia need all these problems?

    A. I do not know of any country that voluntarily renounces part of its territories. In the USSR, all the peoples, all the republics complemented each other. The disintegration of the USSR was for me a nightmare that would not leave me alone for a minute. Now I think more about how to improve the situation.

    Q. Former KGB officials are well placed in commercial structures. How do you rate their contribution?

    A. I believe that they have contributed positive values ​​to the business world, among them the fight against corruption, and not by chance they are so requested. Our people are everywhere. Most act correctly, according to the new rules of the market, although some have been dedicated to fraud. The war of compromising materials is not a phenomenon linked to former officials of the secret services, but arises from the nature of market relations. It is a way to remove competitors from the middle, strengthen positions and clear the way.

    Q. Are you still working?

    A. After the operation, I work at home as an advisor to Systema. I am not subject to any discipline. When I have ideas that I consider useful for our society, I try to communicate them to those who need them. I have a unique personal file, with information on foreign policy accumulated for thirty years. I have several tens of thousands of cards on various countries and problems. About Spain I must have between 300 or 400 files.

  288. rkka says:
    @annamaria

    “Does a goal justifies any means? What the value of the fast industrialization and collectivization when they are generated by the barbaric practices and rely on the massive deaths and sufferings of the innocent? ”

    By the end of the Russian Civil War, prolonged and greatly worsened by Anglo-French intervention, Russia’s economy was 1/5 the size it was in 1913, which, as Mr. Martyanov has already demonstrated, was tragically inadequate to the demands of modern war of the 1914-1918 variety. The Soviet economy recovered to its 1913 level of production and income by 1928, but Germany too had developed after the end of WWI, financed by large American loans & investments in the 1920s, so Germany’s 1913 economic advantage over Russia had only grown by 1928.

    In the early 1930s, the USSR was faced with a German politician gaining power on the platform of invading “…Russia and her vassal border states” in order to exterminate the Slavs & take their land, in order to establish a ‘Thousand Year Reich’ of eventually half a billion Germans.

    Therefore, the Soviet industrialization drive of the 1930s was driven by the threat of a war of racial extermination against Slavs (Poles & Ukrainians very much included). Failure would mean total conquest & death for the Slavic peoples.

    In 1937, this German politician, now Chancellor and possessing a legislative grant of authority to legislate by decree, was visited by British Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax and hailed by him as “Europe’s bulwark against Bolshevism”

    Now in 1935 France and the USSR made an alliance, the main element of which was support for Czechoslovakia. The German Chancellor feared that if he lifted a finger, the French would mobilize & man the Maginot Line, the Czechs would man their fortifications, and large units of the Soviet air force would stage to Czechoslovak airfields & bomb Germany. Adolf was stymied.

    So in September 1938 British PM Neville Chamberlain visited Adolf, and offered a solution when Adolf claimed Germany would not be safe until that alliance was done away. Here’s what Neville said to his new friend Adolf:

    “… Chamberlain now asked whether, if Soviet-Czech relations ‘were modified, so that Czechslovakia were no longer bound to go to the assistance of Russia if Russia were attacked, and on the other hand Czechoslovakia were debarred from giving asylum to Russian forces in her aerodromes or elsewhere; would that remove your difficulty?” (Telford Taylor “Munich-The Price of Peace” 1979, pg 741.)

    This was a practical expression of Chamberlain’s policy of “Germany and England as two pillars of European peace and buttresses against Communism”.

    And before you start calling Telford Taylor a Soviet propagandist, recall that he was a US Army Brigadier General, JAG, and part of the US prosecution team at the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials.

    After Munich, on 16 April 1939, the Soviets proposed rebuilding the WWI coalition of the British Empire, the French Empire, and Russia, and in August 1939 Anglo-French-Soviet military staff talks began. They started with General B.M. Shaposhnikov, Chief of the Soviet General Staff, giving a presentation on the Soviet war plan. A young but experienced French Army captain, Andre Beaufre (who after WWII achieved 4 star general rank and was the Chief of the General Staff at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (a high NATO command) in the 1950s) had this to say about Shaposhnikov’s presentation:

    “It would be difficult to be more positive or more clear. The contrast between this programme, even if a little elementary, and the confused abstractions offered by the French and British is striking and shows the gulf which separated the two conceptions and the two civilizations” (General Andre Beaufre “1940, The Fall of France” 1968, pgs 115 & 116). Thus, those alliance talks failed.

    Fortunately for the Slavs, that Soviet industrial drive, which you question the morality of, succeeded in endowing the USSR with the industrial sinews of war such as no Tsar had ever dreamed, in about a decade, just in time to defeat the war of racial extermination Nazi Germany brought to the Slavs.

    So, now that you know that the racial survival of the Slavs is what was at stake, answer your own question.

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  289. annamaria says:
    @rkka

    “So, now that you know that the racial survival of the Slavs is what was at stake, answer your own question.”
    — You suggest that there was only one solution for protecting the unity of Russia — the Bolshevik revolution and enforced industrialization literally on the bones of the Russian people. What gives you such a certitude that the Russians would not be able to achieve a defensive potential without the Bolsheviks-conducted muss murder of the best and brightest?

    The context of “the Soviet industrialization drive of the 1930s” was a devastated Russia (the revolutions, civil war, war communism, “war on terror” when people were killed without any judicial procedures, and extermination of the best-educated and independent-minded). Who were the leading Bolsheviks who managed to accomplish this mind-boggling degree of devastation?

    Here for you to ponder a long quote (sorry that it is too long) from an article about certain influential American bankers; one of them a sponsor of revolutionary agitation among Russian prisoners of war in Japan (1905). https://justice4poland.com/2018/10/02/we-control-both-left-right-kuhn-loeb-banker/

    “In his book Geneva Versus Peace (1937,) the Comte de St. Aulaire, who was the French ambassador to London from 1920-24, recalled a dinner conversation with Otto Kahn which took place shortly after WWI.

    Asked why bankers would back Bolshevism, a system supposedly inimical to private ownership, Kahn tugged on his enormous cigar and explained that the bankers create apparent opposites to “remake the world” according to their specifications:

    “You say that Marxism is the very antithesis of capitalism, which is equally sacred to us. It is precisely for this reason that they are direct opposites to one another, that they put into our hands the two poles of this planet and allow us to be its axis. …

    “Our mission consists in promulgating the new law and in creating a God, that is to say in purifying the idea of God and realizing it, when the time shall come. We shall purify the idea by identifying it with the nation of Israel, which has become its own Messiah. The advent of it will be facilitated by the final triumph of Israel…

    “Our essential dynamism makes use of the forces of destruction and forces of creation but uses the first to nourish the second…Our organization for revolution is evidenced by destructive Bolshevism and for construction by the League of Nations which is also our work.

    “Bolshevism is the accelerator and the League is the brake on the mechanism of which we supply both the motive force and the guiding power.

    “What is the end?

    It is already determined by our mission. It is formed of elements scattered throughout the whole world, but cast in the flame of our faith in ourselves.
    We are a League of Nations which contains the elements of all others…Israel is the microcosm and the germ of the city of the future.”

    …Just ponder for a sec, rkka, that the Bolshevik enterprise was financed by the wealthy and influential bankers who had zero (0) interest in the Russian people and Russian civilization. Add to this pondering the fact of making anti-semitism a criminal offense in the Soviet Russia. Why? What was so special about the Bolsheviks that it was necessary to protect them from the Russians?

    So, what made you so assured to proclaim “Fortunately for the Slavs, that Soviet industrial drive, which you question the morality of, succeeded in endowing the USSR with the industrial sinews of war such as no Tsar had ever dreamed…”
    — You need to learn about Russian engineers living in Russia in the beginning of the 20th century.
    Moreover, Lobachevsky (pangeometry), Markov (Markov chain, Markov blanket…), Tsiolkovsky (classical rocket equation), Shukhov (hyperboloid structure) did pretty well without Bolshevism.

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    , @Seraphim
  290. How was collectivisation implemented? (1917-1927)
    Who was in the Ukraine giving orders?
    Please Martyanov et al. inform us about this process.

    steinbergfeldwitzcohen

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  291. @Mike P

    The Ugly Russian is at least as bad as, if not worse than, the Ugly American.

  292. rkka says:
    @annamaria

    “– You suggest that there was only one solution for protecting the unity of Russia — the Bolshevik revolution and enforced industrialization literally on the bones of the Russian people. What gives you such a certitude that the Russians would not be able to achieve a defensive potential without the Bolsheviks-conducted muss murder of the best and brightest? ”

    I suggest that Nicholas II signed his death warrant, and that of Imperial Russia, when he got Russia involved in a war Russia could not win. In February 1914 his former interior minister, Durnovo, wrote a memo outlining Imperial Russia’s manifold unpreparedness for modern war, and predicting the upheaval that would follow from the defeat he felt inevitable in a war against the most powerful military, economic, industrial, and scientific power of Europe, Imperial Germany.

    https://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/durnovo.html

    And please note, Durnovo did not mention the machinations of Jews even once in his memo on the challenges the coming war would pose for Russia.

    So Imperial Russia fell because of her manifold material unpreparedness for modern war of the 1914 vintage, despite the efforts of Russia’s ‘best and brightest’.

    And the Provisional Government fell because they lacked the wit to notice that Russia’s capacity to successfully wage war against Germany had not improved between 1914 and 1917, despite the efforts of Russia’s ‘best and brightest’.

    So October 1917, it was noticable that the non-Bolshevik solutions had already been tried and found direly wanting. And I say this not because I’m a Marxist. I’m not even a Hegelian, seeing far more contingency in History than Hegel admits to. The Bolsheviks were just the last organization standing in Petrograd in October 1917.

    Then they won a horrific civil war in which they proved themselves better politicians, war economists, and strategists than their opponents, and again, not because of the machinations of Jewish bankers. And you know, war is a comprehensive test of every human capability and capacity, and the Bolshies simply proved better at it than their opponents, those you claim were Russia’s ‘best and brightest’. Allow me to suggest that, again speaking as a non-Marxist but as an old-fashioned Clausewitzean realpolitician, that those you think were Russia’s ‘best and brightest’ weren’t.

    To sum up, Imperial Russia went 0-2 in 20th century industrial wars, while Iosif I defeated both countries who defeated Nicholas II.

    And I fail to see how Jewish bankers accounted for any of it.

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  293. annamaria says:
    @rkka

    I appreciate your explanation of Russia’s unpreparedness for the WWI – but there were international agreements that Russia followed to (see Triple Entente).

    For some unexplainable reasons you have completely omitted the facts of the foreign financing of the leading Bolsheviks. You can easily find the information on the web.

    Three more points:

    1. The predominantly agrarian Russia was promised “land for the peasantry” — this promise brought the huge segment of Russian population into the revolutionary fold; hence the outcome of the civil war. The promise was a lie. Moreover, the already betrayed peasantry had been betrayed again by the murderous policies of collectivization based on the purely ideological grounds (extrication of the spirit of proprietorship).

    2. The Bolshevik government knew no scruples (see the Jewish Lobby influence; take a note that American ‘best and brightest’ have been successfully outmaneuvered from the US government).

    3. The Bolsheviks had no respect towards Russian civilization; their main goal was the world revolution and world dominance (sound familiar?) Their diabolic appearance in Russia had been predicted pretty well in Dostoyevsky “Demons.”

    In short, Bolshevism was no blessing for Russia but a plague.

  294. Ivan K. says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Here in this comment I started with a remark on the famous Stalin’s utterance, and the train of thought led me to write a substantial commentary on socialism and its fate.

    Stalin who repeated not for once and I quote: “We need (new) theory”.

    The original: “Нам нужна теория, без теории нам смерть.”

    This is the only version of the original that is available, apparently.

    Stalin, repeating the claim a number of times, and meaning just that we need a new theory, he would have probably uttered the word “new” sometimes, and that version would have likely been present. So, it is legitimate to ask ourselves what did he mean with his words as they stand:

    “We need a theory, without theory we’re dead.”

    What is not doubtful is

    1. That the alleged Marxist society of USSR is without a theory,
    2. That this basic state of affairs is NOT acknowledged (hence the ruling class admits being a stranger to the society they’re allegedly ruling)
    3. That we are on the course to drown ourselves in endless improvisation.

    Which is exactly what I witness across Eastern Europe in the past 40 years.
    What I see is a gradual mass abandonment of systematic, strategic thought.

    And with my version I have a good companion:

    LN Tolstoy, your and my own favorite Russian writer, rather than blaming it all on a statesman or few of them, would have also preferred looking at systemic reasons for a fall of a country

    …and a bunch of other countries, all sharing certain features called “socialist.”

    At this point I’m tempted to say that it may be a problem inherent to “socialism.”
    The diagnosis would be that “socialism,” by generating security and a strong sense of security, fails to reproduce the kind of agile thinking that managed to establish it in the first place.
    So, bye socialism, keeping everyone on the edge of survival is the only way to humanity’s progress.

    I resist the temptation:

    First, take a glance at China and Korea, and you see reasons to at least suspect that socialist ideas can produce different results in very different cultures.*

    Two: It’s plain false that increased basic security readily, directly leads to self-abandonment, neglect of basic needs, corruption and so on. If that were so, the human species could have been still fighting wild animals with their bare hands, and any gain in human security throughout history would have been quickly followed by its loss.
    Instead, self-neglect and consequent disarray happen when the provision of good security happens simultaneously with an abusive takeover of power. Late USSR / present-day USA = Denmark in Hamlet the play.

    To further support this,
    When we look at what lack of theory means by definition, we find that its substitutes are :
    “facts, experience, practice, certainty” http://archive.is/qzwrK#selection-7895.0-7925.9
    It’s striking to remind ourselves that the lack of theory leads to “certainty,” i.e. dogma, authoritarianism. And it is Stalin who warns us against it.

    Lastly, the historical “socialism” I remarked upon is an abuse of power sharply different from socialism in a certain, clear-thinking socialist theory.

    So, those were my arguments that Stalin was indifferent to how new or old a theory is, it’s that ‘we need a theory, without theory we’re doomed.’

    (*) It may be the anarchic streak in Slavic cultures that were a necessary factor in screwing ourselves. It may be that we need to f**k off our tendency to play Eloi.

  295. Seraphim says:
    @annamaria

    One essential book about the role of the Jews in the ‘Russian’ Revolutions (don’t forget the atecedents, 1905-Pinhas Rutenberg, Narodnaya Volya-Mark Andreyevich Natanson) is:

    Netchvolodow A. – L’Empereur Nicolas II et les Juifs
    “Essais sur la révolution russe dans ses rapports avec l’activité universelle du Judaïsme contemporain”
    Traduction du Russe par I. M. Narischkina – Paris : Chiron, 1924
    Extremely detailed data about the anti-Russian activity of Jacob Schiff, the associate of Otto Khan.

    CHAPITRE PREMIER
    Jacob Schiff
    SOMMAIRE: Jacob Schiff et Milioukow. -Jacob Schiff avance des fonds au Japon pour la guerre avec la Russie.
    -Jacob Schiff donne de l’argent pour la propagande révolutionnaire parmi les prisonniers de guerre russes au Japon. -Jacob Schiff menace S.-J. Witte d’une révolution qui instituera la république en Russie. -Philippe Mauro sur Jacob Schiff. -Jacob Schiff exige en 1911 du président des Etats-Unis Taft qu’il dénonce le traité de commerce avec la Russie, entre en lutte ouverte avec lui à ce sujet et remporte la victoire sur Taft. -Le 14 février 1916, les révolutionnaires russes résidant à New-York sont informés que Jacob Schiff leur donne des fonds pour faire la révolution en Russie. -Jacob Schiff, conformément au rapport secret du haut-commissaire français à Washington au gouvernement français, donne au printemps 1917 des subsides à Trotzky pour instituer le bolchevisme en Russie.
    Extensive discussion about the ‘Protocols’:
    CHAPITRE IV
    Des Protocoles des Sages de Sion
    SOMMAIRE : Un exemplaire du livre de S. A. Nilus : Le Grand dans le Petit, édition de 1905, avec les Protocole des Sages de Sion, au Musée Brtannique. -Les poursuites contre les Protocoles des Sages de Sion après la révolution russe, en Pologne et aux Etats-Unis. -Le cas des Protocoles en Angleterre et en Allemagne. -Rapport sur les protocoles à la loge principale de l’Ordre Indépendant B’nai B’rith fait par le représentant de l’Ordre à Londres, Dr M. Epstein. -Un article du Times de Londres sur les protocoles, du 8 mai 1910. -Salomon Reinach et Lucien Wolf contre les Protocoles. -La Vérité sur les Protocoles de Sion dans les révélations de la princesse E. Radziwill et de Mme Hurblut. -Une attaque “indépendante” de M. W. Bourtzew sur la question des Protocoles. L’indignation de la Tribune juive et des Dernières Nouvelles contre lui. -Révélations sur la princesse Radziwill. Son passé criminel. -Souvenirs de M. du Chayla sur les Protocoles. -Révélations inattendues par des Juifs sur le passé criminel de M. du Chayla. -Attaques de M. Th. Roditchew contre les Protocoles. -Recherches simultanées sur les Protocoles du journal de Constantinople Journal d’Orient et de “notre correspondant à Constantinople” du journal Times. -Les articles du Times sur les Protocoles des 16, 17 et 18 août 1921. -Les Dialogues ne Joly. -Les articles triomphants de la Tribune juive. -Etudes sur la question du livre précité de Joly par Monseigneur Jouin et le journal Morninp Post. -L’apparition d’une étude de Mme Fry sur Ascher Ginsberg (Achad ha-Am). -L’indignation de la Tribune juive. -Biographie d’Achad ha-Am. -Le Hassidisme et la Hascala en Russie. -Divergence de vues entre les Juifs d’Orient et d’Occident sur la façon d’atteindre le but du Judaïsme. -Effervescence générale de l’activité juive pendant les dernières années du XIXè siècle. – L’Affaire Dreyfus. -L’epanouissement du Sionnisme. -Théodore Herzl. -Le congrès de Bâle de 1897. -Achad ha-Am contre les vues des Juifs d’Occident, -Sa victoire complète en 1913. -Achad ha-Am auteur probable des Protocoles.- Preuves à l’appui de cette affirmation. -Nietzche sur les Juifs. -T. M. Dostoïewsky sur le rôle imminent des Juifs en Russie et dans le monde entier. -Les prédictions de Wilhelm Marr, faites en 1879.

    Just a reminder of “The German Committee for the Freeing of Russian Jews (German, ‘Deutsches Komitee zur Befreiung der russischen Juden’) … created in August 1914 by Max Bodenheimer with Franz Oppenheimer, Adolf Friedman and Leo Motzkin to lobby for the socio-political liberation of Jewish people living in the Russian Empire and ensure their protection from pogroms… The Committee was initially supported by the German Empire but as no Jewish insurrection arose against the Russians the Germans soon lost interest”. The role of this committee was to provoke a Jewish insurection in Russia (no Jewish involvement in the War waged on Russia!)

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  296. rkka says:

    “I appreciate your explanation of Russia’s unpreparedness for the WWI – but there were international agreements that Russia followed to (see Triple Entente). ”

    Indeed, and doing so was Imperial Russia’s greatest mistake, that doomed Imperial Russia to total defeat and total upheaval, despite the efforts of those you call Russia’s ‘best and brightest’

    And I care not who financed the Bolshies, I merely note that the non-Bolshie solutions that those you call Russia’s ‘best and brightest’ tried between 1914 and 1921 failed totally and abysmally under the conditions of the war Nicholas II got Imperial Russia into against Durnovo’s advice, as well as the conditions of the horrific civil war that followed. And in that civil war, the British, French, and American governments financed the anti-Bolshies by orders of magnitude more than those who financed ‘the leading Bolsheviks’. If the magnitude of foreign financing was the determining factor, the Whites would have won the Russian civil war.

    And if you know of another way by which Russia could have overcome her massive industrial inferiority to Germany in the mere 13 years between Russia’s recovery by 1928 to her 1913 level of production & income, to her capacity for military production that dwarfed Germany’s by 1941, I’m ready to listen.

  297. lavoisier says: • Website
    @annamaria

    You are a good engineer but you are a very bad psychologist unable to read people. Plus you are not a particularly polite person.

    Yes, I generally enjoy reading what he has written.

    But he could develop some manners for sure.

  298. Seraphim says:
    @rkka

    All the blathering about Russia’s ‘unpreparedness’ overlooks the fact that Russia was the part attacked. Germany declared war on Russia, war for which it was frantically preparing since the abandonment of Bismarck’s policy of good relations with Russia, at least since 1912 when Russia started a program of modernization which was to last till 1916. Germany attacked precisely to prevent the completion of the program. Russia was catching up with Germany.

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  299. @rkka

    Your efforts are fruitless. She keeps bringing totally false and long time ago refuted lies with consistency deserving better application.She is basically not listening and doe snot care to listen. She already knows all while being completely ignorant about Russian history and causes of Russian revolutions. While you talking to her about Ivan, she is talking to you about Abram.

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  300. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    “She keeps bringing totally false and long time ago refuted lies…”
    — What if “she” does not want to waste her time on your very limited knowledge of Russian history and Russian culture? You have not tried to refute any of my statements. Why? Sorry to tell you, but your posts are strangely naive and filled with slogans. Perhaps, getting good grades at a Soviet school (and you certainly read about Pavlik Morozov and became very impressed with the story of his heroic betrayal of his family) does not guarantee a deep knowledge of Russian culture and history.
    At least, Martyanov is respected for being an expert in his main field.

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  301. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Sorry! Martyanov is busy.
    I will answer you in couple of days if you still interested.

  302. annamaria says:
    @rkka

    “And if you know of another way by which Russia could have overcome her massive industrial inferiority to Germany …”

    — I am not a tea-leaf reader. This is a discussion on the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. For you and Mr. Krieger, the Bolshevik dictatorship was the best thing that happened to Russia and Russians. I suggest that Russia could do better without the Bolshevik leaders who cared not about Russian people and Russian civilization but only about their, Bolsheviks’ power. This is the first layers.

    The second layer is the role of Jewish Bolsheviks in the mass slaughter of Russians, including clergy, “intelligentsia,” nobility, highly educated and other “bourgeois.” For some reason, Mr. Krieger and Mr. Martyanov are very displeased with this subject and immediately go into attack by talking about the glorious industrialization in Russia.

    Are you, rkka, aware that the industrialization was done via forced labor? Do you have older relatives that perished in GULAG? Do you have older relatives that were tortured to death by secret police? What kind of danger Father Alexander Florensky (Russian Leonardo) and poet Joseph Mandelstam (genius of St. Petersburg) had been posing for the regime to be exterminated in a death camp? What right the sadistic Zemlyachka (Rosalia Samoilovna Zalkind) had to murder the Russian officers by tens of thousands?

    My statement has been very simple: it was the potential of the Russian people and Russian civilization that allowed Russia to survive the horrors of the Bolshevik regime and to step on a path of recovery. Why this statement is intolerable for Mr. Krieger, Mr. Martyanov, and “rkka” is hard to fathom.

    PS: Do you understand the idea of international agreement (re WWI)? Also, do you understand that the ‘best and brightest’ are also people of principles and morals? What exactly do you not understand about Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, and Bill Browder?

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  303. @annamaria

    Here. But in Russian. It is about German money, But It is equally applicable to Jewish money. Again. Also, how do you know our Soviet school curriculum? Did you study at one? it is all like this about you. Lies and speculations.

    https://work-way.com/blog/2015/06/26/kto-finansiroval-bolshevikov/

    http://tr.rkrp-rpk.ru/get.php?1402

    https://putnik-76.livejournal.com/143999.html

    Overall. The onus to prove there were Jewish or German money is upon you. Or as true American you are not aware of presumption of innocence which is obviously your latest trend over there.

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  304. annamaria says:
    @Seregey Krieger

    ” Lies and speculations.”
    — This your style of discussion is on a par with the pedestrian bickering of Ukrainian Jewish babushkas.
    As I wrote you before, I am not interested in your opinions.

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  305. Seraphim says:
    @annamaria

    I was tempted to advise you that you waste your time answering morons like Kriger and r’kaka’, but actually it is a good thing to slap their grunting snouts. They would squeak, but that’s all they can do. Maybe they would come to their senses. They are light weights anyway.

    @”you know of another way by which Russia could have overcome her massive industrial inferiority to Germany …”

    Yes, we do, “Give me twenty years of peace, both at home and abroad,” said Stolypin, “and you will not recognize Russia.” That’s why he was assassinated. That’s why war and revolution were inflicted on Russia. And if Russia was nevertheless able to recover after the devastation of the Bolshevik rule and the plundering of the NEP policy of the New York bankers agents, the Lenin/Trotsky gang, it was on the foundations layed by Witte and Stolypin and Nicholas II. Well, actually on the foundations layed by Peter the Great and long before him, by Saint Vladimir. These morons hate Russia. Let them squeak and take no notice. It’s a pity that Martyanov boarded this ‘ship of fools’.

  306. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim

    Thank you for the great synopsis of the Russian history. I would also add that the thirst for knowledge and the ability to be good students during the 18th and 19th centuries were the crucially important aspects for the survival of the nation. We could never underestimate the enormous efforts applied to absorbing & internalizing the great achievements of western civilization, and then producing the home-grown crop of outstanding scientists, architects, engineers, authors, artists… Plus, there has been the never weakened ability for self-criticism and soul-searching — the integral part of the Russian mentality.

    The story of Stolypin is one of the most tragic in the history of Russia. It gives me joy to see that his name is not just rehabilitated but included in the Russian pantheon of the ablest patriots.

  307. @Seraphim

    Do you know many peasants prime minister Stolypin hanged? I am very curious.
    Probably you need some help. So I will give you a hint.
    There were two peasant uprisings under his rule.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Seraphim
  308. rkka says:

    “For you and Mr. Krieger, the Bolshevik dictatorship was the best thing that happened to Russia and Russians.”

    For me, the whole period 1914-1945 of European history is an unutterable tragedy of a scale that beggars description, and the only merit I see in the Bolsheviks is in their finding way for the Slavic peoples of Europe to survive it after those who you call ‘Russia’s best and brightest’ literally dropped power in Bolshevik laps by their stunning incompetence, by Nicholas II in getting Russia into a war she had no hope of winning, by the Provisional Government refusing to get Russia out of a war she had no hope of winning, and then the Whites losing the Russian civil war in spite of massive foreign intervention on their side.

    “I suggest that Russia could do better without the Bolshevik leaders who cared not about Russian people and Russian civilization but only about their, Bolsheviks’ power.”

    Those you call ‘Russia’s best and brightest’ could have avoided that, by staying out of the war, or by getting out of the war before Russia’s collapse. They had chances to do that, you know. From the perspective of 1913, the Bolsheviks warranted only a footnote in an obscure book about radical fringe politics in Russia. It is precisely the incompetent conduct of affairs of state by those who you call ‘Russia’s best and brightest’ that put the Bolsheviks in power.

    “The second layer is the role of Jewish Bolsheviks in the mass slaughter of Russians, including clergy, “intelligentsia,” nobility, highly educated and other “bourgeois.” For some reason, Mr. Krieger and Mr. Martyanov are very displeased with this subject and immediately go into attack by talking about the glorious industrialization in Russia.”

    Well you know, those ‘best and brightest’ did not manage to provide the ‘… twenty years of peace’ that was the minimum requirement for the developments underway in 1913 Russia to reach an adequate magnitude. It was left to the Bolsheviks to get Russia out of the dire international position Nicholas II, the Provisional Government, and the Whites left Russia in by 1921.

    “Are you, rkka, aware that the industrialization was done via forced labor? Do you have older relatives that perished in GULAG? Do you have older relatives that were tortured to death by secret police? What kind of danger Father Alexander Florensky (Russian Leonardo) and poet Joseph Mandelstam (genius of St. Petersburg) had been posing for the regime to be exterminated in a death camp? What right the sadistic Zemlyachka (Rosalia Samoilovna Zalkind) had to murder the Russian officers by tens of thousands?”

    I see serried ranks of European young men numbering in the millions, lions led by donkeys, with Russia’s ‘best and brightest’ braying as emptily as any, who could think of nothing better than to fight machine gun bullets and shell fragments with the naked breasts of the lions they led.

    “My statement has been very simple: it was the potential of the Russian people and Russian civilization that allowed Russia to survive the horrors of the Bolshevik regime and to step on a path of recovery. Why this statement is intolerable for Mr. Krieger, Mr. Martyanov, and “rkka” is hard to fathom.”

    It is not intolerable to me. I just believe that the Bolshies organized the capabilities and potential of the Russian people more effectively than those you call ‘Russia’s best and brightest’

    “PS: Do you understand the idea of international agreement (re WWI)? Also, do you understand that the ‘best and brightest’ are also people of principles and morals?”

    I know that Italy, an ally of the Central Powers, stayed out of the war in 1914 despite the commitments they had made, and joined the Entente powers in 1915, and I’m not aware of anyone criticizing the Italian government’s principles or morals for that.

    “What exactly do you not understand about Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, and Bill Browder?”

    I understand that just about any of the 500,000 Jews that served in the Red army, including the 200,000 who were killed in that war, could have kicked all three of their sorry asses a country mile.

  309. rkka says:
    @Seraphim

    “All the blathering about Russia’s ‘unpreparedness’ overlooks the fact that Russia was the part attacked.”

    Ummmm…. the Russian Army marched into East Prussia before a single soldier of the Imperial German Army set a toe in Russia.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  310. rkka says:
    @Seraphim

    “Yes, we do, “Give me twenty years of peace, both at home and abroad,” said Stolypin, “and you will not recognize Russia.” ”

    I happen to agree with Stolypin. Unfortunately, his boss Nicholas II entered into the Triple Entente with the British Empire in 1907, four years before Stolypin was assassinated. Nicholas II signed Imperial Russia’s death warrant, and his own, when he entered the war due to this alliance in 1914.

  311. @annamaria

    Lol. You sound exactly like those babushkas with your ridiculous hearsay market rumors. Ok. This would be it.

  312. @rkka

    Even with 20 years of peace they would fail. Looks like the tragedy could not be averted. When problems continuously swept under the rug, not resolved in timely manner sooner or later they are resolved via other than peaceful means. Stolypin reforms if were successful would push tens of millions peasants into cities where no industrial capacity was available to absorb them and conditions were horrible. Outcome would have been similar. Revolution and civil war. So far in Russian history there was nobody as efficient and caring about people as bolsheviks.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  313. annamaria says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    For an apologist of the Bolshevik collectivization (and such figures as the bloody murdered Kaganovich) you are rather picky. Moreover, the vastly knowledgeable Seraphim does not need your naive “hints,” as well as the selective bits of information as permitted by the Soviet historiography.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  314. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Kriger

    “So far in Russian history there was nobody as efficient and caring about people as bolsheviks.”

    — Is this tribal pride that transpires through your words, Sergey Kriger? Amazing how you, Sergey Kriger, “rkka,” and Ilyana Rozumova have been converging on the admiration (inborn?) for the Bolshevik plague that had tortured and maimed Russia a century ago.

    That was the Purimization of Russia by the joined forces of the bankers and obnoxious revolutionaries the absolute majority of whom were not Russians. Moreover, Bolsheviks hated, hated Russian culture and Russian people but loved, loved the Jewish people.

    Judging from your posts, you all firmly believe that the Bolsheviks-organized slaughter of the millions of Russians “was worth it” — even if this “it” was the death of Russian civilization and the triumph of the vulgar opportunists and scoundrels (see Naftali Frenkel who was awarded the Order of Lenin three times https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Naftaly_Aronovich_Frenkel).

    Bulgakov’s “Heart of Dog” comes to mind; Platonov’s artistic descriptions of the rape and maiming of Russia by the Bolshevik deciders are even more powerful and detailed. No wonder his works were banned in Russia. But Lazar Kaganovich prospered: https://rense.com/general11/stal.htm

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  315. annamaria says:
    @rkka

    A comment by geokat62 on the WWI and its causes: http://www.unz.com/article/the-jewish-hand-in-the-world-wars-part-1/#new_comments

    Comment 322:
    @Jeff Stryker
    “Jews had nothing to do with World War 1-there were still being barred from certain restaurants and country courses in the US.”

    Excerpt from Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 speech on Zionism at the Willard Hotel:

    The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations that claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, the Jews said, “How about Palestine for us?” And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, “Oh, that was the game! That’s why the United States came into the war.” And the Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered this terrific reparation that was slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and they were determined to get it at any cost.”

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

    More on the same: https://justice4poland.com/2018/10/02/we-control-both-left-right-kuhn-loeb-banker/

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @rkka
  316. @annamaria

    There was more truth in Doctor Zhivago than all your references of stupidities.
    But I still admire your enthusiasm.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  317. My dearest.
    You remind me of the title song of “Midnight Cowboy”.
    Everybody………………………………………………………………

  318. Seraphim says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    This is not the first time that your memory fails you, my dear Неразумная.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  319. rkka says:
    @annamaria

    The Balfour Declaration was two years before the peace conference, annamaria. You’re referencing some spectacularly non-factual history.

  320. Seraphim says:
    @rkka

    The Russian Army marched into Prussia because Germany had declared war on Russia, not Germany declared war on Russia because the Russian Army had marched into Prussia.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  321. Seraphim says:
    @rkka

    About ‘death warrants’ and assassinations, it is worth remembering that the man who assassinated Stolypin in front of the Tsar (who was targeted as well) was Dmitry Grigoriyevich Bogrov aka “Mordechai Gershkovich Bogrov… born into a family of Jewish merchants in Kiev (Russian Empire)”. Wikipedia candidly admits that “This act was committed ostensibly in order to decapitate a successful and popular conservative reform movement and thus hasten violent revolution”. No Jews in the ‘Russian’ revolution, right?)

  322. @annamaria

    “Judging from your posts, you all firmly believe that the Bolsheviks-organized slaughter of the millions of Russians”

    Do not invent. Where I or anyone else whom you mention ever believed that Bolsheviks slaughtered millions of Russians? Millions died as a cause of WWI, Civil war and subsequent consequences of country destruction, millions were slaughtered by Germans and died as a consequences of that war too. But slaughtered by Bolsheviks? If anything Bolsheviks prevented ever greater mortality and for all years of the Soviet power all of USSR population of all republics including Russia and not just Central Asia was consistently growing. You can check demographic after 1992 how straight after Soviet Union fall population trends took dive and have never recovered. it is still down. Why that? Without bloody Bolsheviks people dying. Millions slaughtered by Bolsheviks exist only in your inflamed mind and those like you who believe lies by traitor Solzhenitsyn and others few like him. Again, archives ar opened and Russian regime currently is anything but rabidly anti Soviet. . Numbers are out. You can get those numbers by looking in Russian net. But if you prefer to believe what you love to believe , suit yourself Babushka. Market square is always waiting for your rumors mill.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  323. Mike P says:
    @Seraphim

    The point of contention was preparedness, not who fired the first shot. Thus, your rebuttal doesn’t work.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  324. Jews murdered 35 million + Christians in Russia, but all we hear is “holohoax holohoax!!” which only amounted to 271,000 deaths (including non Jews) from typhus and starvation per the IRC records.
    Just don’t expect Steven “Spielberg” or Roman “Polanksi” to make tear jerking movies about Jewish genocides of Christians.
    Funny how this tribe has wet dreams of disarming US Goyim.
    NEVER allow this tribe to get that accomplished!

  325. @Seraphim

    Thank you! After all at least, you did not call me Durak.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  326. Seraphim says:
    @Mike P

    It is about who bear the guilt of starting the war. So in your view the crime of aggression is exonerated because the agressed was not prepared, but dared to resist aggression. It does not come to your mind that Germany attacked precisely because Russia was not prepared (which shows that she had no aggressive intentions)?

    • Replies: @Mike P
  327. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I’ll have to admit I haven’t read this entire 50,000 word comment thread, but I have a question for some of the participants…

    I’m certainly not claiming that Putin is perfect, but he seems *vastly* better than any of America’s totally worthless and corrupt leaders, and also far, far more honest. A few years ago, he stated in an interview that the early Soviet government was roughly 80-85% Jewish. Obviously, he has best access to all the archival documentation, so maybe he was just lying, but then again, maybe he wasn’t.

    By a remarkable coincidence, pretty much all the contemporaneous Western political leaders, top journalists, and American military intelligence officers generally said much the same thing. If Putin and all those Western experts of the 1920s said it, then maybe it was actually the case.

    Lenin’s famous “Last Testament” pointed to five potential successors, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, and Stalin, of whom three were Jewish. Sverdlov, who was also Jewish, had been one of the most powerful Bolsheviks, and if he hadn’t been killed early in the Revolution, I don’t doubt he would have also have been on that list.

    Post-War Germany was less than 1% Jewish, but its top Bolshevik revolutionaries were half or more Jewish. The leadership of Hungary’s Bolshevik Revolution were overwhelmingly Jewish. America was only around 3% Jewish, but for decades its Communist Party leadership was overwhelmingly Jewish.

    Obviously, the top Soviet leadership became far less heavily Jewish by the late 1930s after Stalin purged and executed such a large fraction of the Old Bolsheviks, but that’s a different matter.

    I don’t read Russian, but given all this evidence, isn’t it very difficult to argue that the Bolsheviks and the early Soviets weren’t overwhelmingly Jewish?

    On a related matter, Putin greatly lauded Alexander Solzhenitsyn at his death, and from what I remember the Gulag Archipelago was made a mandatory part of today’s Russian high school curriculum. If Solzhenitsyn was such a totally vile anti-Russian traitor and Gulag overwhelmingly filled with such disgusting lies and anti-Russian propaganda, why would Putin and Russia have done that?

  328. Mike P says:
    @Seraphim

    Your comment is about guilt, but the comment that you were replying to was about preparedness.

  329. @Ron Unz

    Putin represents rabidly anti Soviet regime. Obviously he will say everything to diminish or smear Soviet achievements. He opens museums dedicated to Yeltsin and gives orders of honor to Gorbachov. Does it mean that gorbachov and Yeltsin are outstanding Soviet Russian statemen? Those two are creators of massive epochal catastrophe for Russian people and Putin commemorates them. Any thought? It is all political line of capitalistic government that is trying to get away with grand theft of people property and thus trying to brainwash new generation while waiting when the last Soviet generation dies out.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Cyrano
  330. With all due respect!
    Sverdlov was killed by whites shortly after murder Czar and his family
    I do not think that anybody is denying that top leadership communist party of Russia besides Lenin and Stalin were Jewish. Naturally they did have a great influence on Lenin’s decisions how to treat the opposition and the severity of it.
    The discussion was mostly about necessity of revolution , and number casualties.
    I would even say that insane level of collectivization was pushed by Jewish fraction (which resulted in civil war)
    If we look at kibbutzes in Israel, they are the same as kolkhozes were in Russia. The difference is that in Israel they work, but in Russia they did not. The reason for it is that kibbutzes were created on abandoned land while in Russia they were created by taking the land from self sufficient peasants.
    My opinion is that it was insanity. After all the nobility which was erased was the greater holder of the land, and confiscating this land gave opportunity to create enough kolkhozes.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  331. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    p.s.
    I have never read anything from Solzhenitsyn so I do not have anything to say about that.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  332. Seraphim says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Hopefully, the quicker the ‘last Soviet generation’ would die out, the better.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  333. Seraphim says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Hopefully you are not безумная.

  334. Seraphim says:
    @annamaria

    You make me blush.
    On a side note, my dearest grand-daughter is Anne Marie too. God works in mysterious ways.

  335. Seraphim says:
    @Ron Unz

    Truth imposes itself. Saul the Pharisee met the Truth on the road to Damascus and became Saint Paul.

  336. @Seraphim

    Hope dies the last, Freak.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  337. Seraphim says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    At last, some signs of разумность.

  338. Cyrano says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I think Putin is not that easy to read. He called the dissolution of USSR the greatest geostrategic catastrophe of the 20th century, and also once in power he reinstated the old USSR national anthem as Russia’s too. I think that Putin is definitely USSR nostalgic but at the same time he is aware of the short-comings of USSR. On the international stage it was a superpower, domestically it was a weak state unable to provide a decent living for its citizens. I think Putin wants to restore Russia to its military greatness, and plus he wants their citizens to have better quality of life. In my opinion, he is succeeding on both counts.

  339. rkka says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think he’s trying to reconcile people with fundamental disagreements about the past, to get them all pulling in the same direction towards Russia’s future.

  340. Ivan K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    All politicians are forced to make strange compromises, and that includes Putin. (1) The reasons for that tend to be obscure.

    Putin is very intelligent, remarkably honest for a politician, and – he must be making factual mistakes because otherwise he wouldn’t be a mortal. (2)
    That Putin is privy to some specific confidential information can mean very little. Paul Craig Roberts repeatedly pointed out how the security intelligence briefings he used to receive were incredibly banal and boring.

    That factual mistakes Putin has made may contain a good deal of truth. Let’s say the early Soviets were overwhelmingly Jewish. The chief way it is significant is this:

    Were all those Bolshevik Jews there
    a) largely as individualists, the way that Gypsy children are more likely to run away from school without having a grand Gypsy plan, or
    b) were they interconnected with their Jewish Bolshevik agenda that used other Bolsheviks as tools for some wide plan of theirs.

    Given how their participation in the Soviet government and Party dissipated historically quickly, the former is more likely.

    Simply, it appears that Judaics tend to find themselves in leading positions on many, many sides.

    That doesn’t necessarily imply higher intelligence. For example, Judaism may be a source of unusual anxieties that turns people, including those who run away from Judaism, into wild cards.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  341. Putin is relatively smart. Putin supports church because church is dead set on idea of one person responsible for the faith of the nation. Putin supports Solzhenitsyn because he is noticing the birth of resistance in US against Zionist dictatorship.
    Putin to the large extent is only swimming with the torrent, and that is smart thing to do.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @geokat62
  342. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Sorry omission.
    faith and fate of the nation,

  343. @Ivan K.

    They were instrumental in creating a system that was ultimately turned against them, yes. Bolshevism was certainly not the only historical example of Jews allying with power, only to engender hostility against them, but it is a very significant one with consequences persisting nearly a century later.

  344. @rkka

    German army actually never crossed border of Russia in wwl
    The fight ended somewhere in the middle of Poland.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  345. Mike P says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Poland wasn’t a sovereign country though before WW1 – it was divided between Russia, the Hapsburg empire, and Germany.

  346. geokat62 says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Putin to the large extent is only swimming with the torrent, and that is smart thing to do.

    Only dead fish go with the flow.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  347. Seraphim says:
    @geokat62

    You are clever by half. Never generalize from particular cases. Not only dead fish go with the flow. Some fish species (the ones living in the Black Sea) go against the flow of the Danube to lay their eggs (the black caviar, at that). The new generatoin of fish go with the flow back to the Black Sea (known as ‘Russkaia More’), where they live (providing delicious food to fishermen) happily until they go back up river to have their turn at perpetuating the species. The Black Sea is near Crimea, if you didn’t know.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sparkon
  348. geokat62 says:
    @Seraphim

    You are clever by half. Never generalize from particular cases.

    You should follow your own advice. My point was that “swimming with the torrent” may not be the “smart thing to do.” The saying I referenced highlights the fact that while “going with the flow” requires zero effort, it may not get you to your desired destination. That’s it… nothing more, nothing less.

    Some fish species (the ones living in the Black Sea) go against the flow of the Danube to lay their eggs…

    I’m quite familiar with this phenomenon. In fact, here in Canada we have a species of salmon that undertake an incredible journey to return from the ocean, traveling upstream, somethings overcoming vertical falls, to spawn in the exact place where they were born.

    btw – your reference to this phenomenon simply reinforces the original point I was trying to make: achieving one’s ends, in most cases, requires tremendous effort – i.e., following the behavior of the chinook salmon and not the dead fish.

    The Black Sea is near Crimea, if you didn’t know.

    So, who’s the one who’s being clever by half?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  349. I am so sorry. You did not catch my meaning.
    Torrent happens when there is a violent storm with heavy rainfall. Water is muddy murky and dangerous.
    But in time water recedes and clears up, than Putin will swim upstream.

  350. geokat62 says:

    But in time water recedes and clears up, than Putin will swim upstream..

    If this is what you originally meant by “swimming with the torrent,” then I did, indeed, misunderstood you.

  351. annamaria says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “…than all your references of stupidities.”
    — Was it the reference to Bulgakov, Platonov, and Dostoyevsky that ignited the rage? Or was it the reminder of the horrors of collectivization and the names of its most prominent heroes, Kaganovich and Molotov, that brought the displeasure?

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  352. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    “Bolsheviks prevented ever greater mortality… You can check demographic after 1992…”
    — Oh boy…

  353. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Mr. Krieger, have you read Bulgakov’s “The Heart of Dog?” — You should.

  354. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    For Sergey Krieger: “Judging from your posts, you all firmly believe that the Bolsheviks-organized slaughter of the millions of Russians “was worth it”

    — You either did not understand the statement or decided consciously to avoid its main point.

    One more time: Judging from your posts, Sergey Krieger, you firmly believe that the Bolsheviks-organized slaughter of the millions of Russians “was worth it” — even if this “it” was the death of Russian civilization and the triumph of the vulgar opportunists and scoundrels.

    In other words, Sergey Krieger, you are an eager apologist of the well-documented Bolshevik crimes against humanity and specifically against Russian people and Russian civilization.

    Here is a link to a story of one of the Bolshevik heroes, Naftali Frenkel who was awarded the Order of Lenin three times, as well as a title Hero of Socialist Labor: https://codoh.com/library/document/3012/

    “Little known today, Naftali Frenkel was a prisoner in a Soviet penal camp. While an inmate, however, the one-time Jewish timber magnate devised a system of labor exploitation that led to the deaths of millions of prisoners in Soviet penal camps, and earned him a life of ease as a high-ranking officer in the NKVD. Solzhenitsyn wrote of Frenkel, “he really hated this country!”

    “The founder of the Soviet secret police, Feliks Dzerzhinsky, expressed the guiding principle of the Cheka in 1918: “We represent in ourselves organized terror – this must be said very clearly.” All subsequent Soviet governments have rigorously observed that principle. In one consequence of that rigor, conditions in the camps of Communist Russia were typically far more brutal than those of the dreaded Siberian exile under the Tsars.

    Since the camp system was essential to the Soviet economy, the inmates were put to work in every aspect of hard labor – in railroad construction, road building, canal building, forestry, mining, agriculture, construction sites, etc., under conditions that were usually inhuman and unhealthy, and oftentimes deadly. Women, though housed in separate barracks, often shared the same work camps as the men – and worked side by side with them at the same labor. There were special camps for children, for mothers with babies, and other exceptional cases.”

  355. Seraphim says:
    @geokat62

    I am sorry I misunderstood you. My impression was that you implied that Putin is the dead fish.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  356. geokat62 says:
    @Seraphim

    No worries. In a generation or two, Putin will be known as “Vladimir the Great.”

  357. @annamaria

    My dearest (child)
    What if we go along and say that what you claim is the absolute truth, and than you admit that there is something to it what we are pointing out.
    Please lets have a peace.

  358. Sparkon says:
    @Seraphim

    fish go with the flow back to the Black Sea (known as ‘Russkaia More’)

    Russkaia More Russkoe More

    Русское Море

    Russian adjectives must agree with their nouns in gender, number, and case. The gender of the Russian noun ‘more’ (море) is neuter, and therefore its modifying adjective must be neuter as well: Russkoe (neuter), not Russkaia (feminine).

    But I think many Russians refer to the Black Sea as Chyornoe more – Чёрное мо́рe (Black Sea).

    Тот, кто рожден был у моря,
    Тот полюбил навсегда
    Белые мачты на рейде,
    В дымке морской города,
    Свет маяка над волною,
    Южных ночей забытье,
    Самое синее в мире
    Черное море мое,
    Черное море мое!

    He who was born by the sea
    He loved forever
    White masts in the raid,
    In the haze of the sea city,
    The light of the beacon above the wave,
    Southern nights of oblivion,
    The bluest in the world
    My black sea
    My Black Sea!

    — Music: Oskar Feltsman Lyrics: Mikhail Matusovskiy, 1958

    Too fluent by half.

  359. Seraphim says:

    You are right, probably I am too fluent by a quarter. Thank you for correcting me.

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