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Andrei Martyanov http://www.unz.com/article/russia-as-a-cat/ has answered my question https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/08/31/can-war-be-avoided-and-the-planet-saved/ .

I agree with everything Martyanov says. But I believe my question remains unanswered.

Probably it is my fault. Perhaps I framed the question so sharply that it came across as an attack on Putin’s level-headed policy. Also, my use of the phrase “turning the other cheek” could have implied denigration of Putin rather than my admiration for his level-headedness and humane approach to his great responsibility.

I understand Putin’s policy. I agree with Martyanov that it is the only policy that makes sense. I also agree with Martyanov that the correlation of forces has changed dramatically in Russia’s favor. But to use another phrase, I am concerned about the slip between the cup and the lip. I think something needs to be done to halt Washington’s provocations before they become so extreme that matters get out of hand.

Historically, provocations do tend to get out of hand, more often than not.

Perhaps Russia has prevented, by exposing it in advance, the false flag chemical attack that Washington had in the works in order to have an excuse for another missile attack on Syria, an attack designed by Washington to disrupt Syria’s elimination of the last stronghold of Washington’s proxy army in Syria. That Washington would actually use an obvious false flag chemical incident to attack Syria a second time in defiance of Russia does not indicate that Washington understands that its power is not what it was. I agree with Martyanov that Washington should understand that, but I am not sure Washington does.

Further evidence that Washington does not understand the new correlation of power is the political, academic, and media treatment of Professor Stephen Cohen, perhaps America’s premier Russian scholar. Cohen sees all the dangers in the current level of tensions that I see, and he is denigrated as a Putin stooge for his balanced analysis. I am on the CIA- or George Soros- or National Endowment for Democracy- or Israel Lobby-funded PropOrNot list of “Russian agents/dupes.” Indeed, Martyanov’s own excellent book, which I recently reviewed, explains the extraordinary myths in which Washington lives. I doubt Washington escaped, as Martyanov seems to think, from its self-made Matrix between 2014 and 2018. Countries as full of themselves as America is don’t sober up in four years without a revealing military defeat or an economic collapse for which no fix is available. Indeed, Martyanov begins his excellent book with Alexis de Tocqueville’s analysis of American hubris in 1837. Hubis is the definition of American existence.

Or consider this for example: The open wound of Novorussia is festering. Washington is pouring arms into Ukraine https://russia-insider.com/en/trumps-envoy-kurt-volker-us-eager-drastically-expand-military-aid-ukraine/ri24663 . I think that Putin left this wound open, because he did not want to enable Washington’s propaganda to inflame Europe’s fears of more “annexations” on top of the alleged “annexation” of Crimea. This was a sound decision consistent with Martyanov’s explanation, but it is an opportunity for the neoconservatives who Martyanov correcly understands to have a tendency to be unrealistic. It is those unrealistic times that are dangerous.

I don’t think Washington has yet lost its hubris. My reference to Napoleon and Hitler is meant only as examples of the extraordinary mistakes that people lost in their hubris can make. Ordinary peoples probably do not perceive the limitations on American power that Martyanov describes. What they hear are belligerent US accusations and threats against Russia and the presentation of their own president as a traitor who has to be impeached because he wants peace with Russia and is involved in a conspiracy with Putin against America. With their own perceptions influenced by Washington’s propaganda, populations in the US and Europe cannot serve as constraints on their governments’ belligerence toward Russia. When we read in the British press that the militarily impotent UK is preparing for war with Russia, where is there realization of the real correlation of forces? To say that the UK is preparing for war against Russia is like saying that the local Boy Scout troop is preparing for war against Russia. It makes no sense, and this absence of sense is a big concern.

It seems to me that some decisive response by Russia that signaled a clear defeat for Washington would bring awareness to Western populations that their governments are risking all of our lives by provoking incidents in which Washington does not hold a winning hand. The idea that the militarily impotent European countries, who are incapable of preventing themselves from being overrun by refugees from Washington’s wars in behalf of Israel in the Middle East and North Africa, serve as any sort of NATO constraint on Russian military power is totally absurd. Jean Raspail’s The Camp of the Saints is happening before our eyes. Europe is ceasing to exist. Already London, England, has a Muslim Mayor.

There are a lot of things Putin could do short of the easy task of sinking US ships—every one of which is totally indefensible against Russian hypersonic missiles. The US Navy is poised to attack Syria. Syria is a Russian ally that Putin has spent Russian lives, money, and prestige helping to clear Syria of the “insurgents” Washington sent to overthrow Syria in order to establish chaos in place of an organized country. Putin could have equipped Syria with the S-300 and/or S-400 air defense system. Russia (and China) could enter into an alliance with Syria and Iran that suggests or implies, without declaring it, mutual defense provisions. This would introduce an element of caution in the West that is missing. The more the West has caution, the less the risk of war. If Russia stands aside or accepts attacks on Syria and Novorussia, Russia tells Washington that there is no need for caution.

ORDER IT NOW

My concern is that there are many ways to end up in war. Unanswered provocations and unaddressed open wounds are two ways of getting there. All that I am suggesting is that some thought be given to these possibilities. If provocations produce an unintended showdown, a mistake made with nuclear weapons would be the last mistake of the human race.

The Saker intends to answer my question. We will see where he takes this issue. I will say that this discussion has risks for each of us, because those we are attempting to alert, warn, and to bring out of their insouciance will characterize us as “Russian agents” and “Putin stooges” for doubting US primacy. We will be accused of trying to protect Russia with a peace campaign.

What I think tells most against Martyanov’s optimism is that it is he, The Saker, Stephen Cohen, Pat Buchanan, and myself who are marginalized, not the crazies who are responsible for the dangerous and irresponsible provocations of the world’s most capable and best armed nuclear power—Russia. The crazies are in control of the US National Security Council, office of Homeland Security, office of National Intelligence, CIA, US Department of State, Pentagon, the US media, and the US Democratic Party. Republican Senator John McCain is being made into a hero for his hatred of Russia and support for war. The National Endowment for Democracy, the private foundations, the Council on Foreign Relatons, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post—the entirety of monied and loudspeaker America is organized for the demonization of Russia and any American who questions this demonization. Who could have ever imagined that a candidate for President of the United States—Hillary Clinton—would declare the elected president of Russia, elected with a majority vote never achieved by any American president, to be “the new Hitler?” Hillary’s accusation breached all known diplomatic protocols, yet she was not held accountable.

In contrast, what is controlled by Martyanov, The Saker, Professor Cohen, Pat Buchanan, and myself? Perhaps we are buttressed by truth, but the truth is not widely acknowledged and few hear it. In an important way, Putin’s strategy relies on the recognition of truth and on good will, whose prospects are not favorable in the West. Indeed, the United States government and the interests that control it have turned a deaf ear to all facts and all truth.

We also need to consider that for centuries Germanic and other tribes continued to attack Roman legions that they had no prospect and no success for the longest time in defeating. Humans do crazy things, and there are no more crazy humans than American neoconservatives. It is these crazy humans who are in control of the US government, its foreign policy, its military policy, its media, and its organizations such as the National Endowment for Democracy that are its tools for the destabilization of targeted countries.

Whatever the correlation of forces, the Russian government is so insouciant that it permits Washington-funded NGOs inside Russia to operate against the Russian government; it permits Washington-funded newspapers inside Russia to demonize Putin and the Russian government; it permits Russian oligarchs and Russian companies to keep money abroad where it can be seized, thus creating animosity against the Russian government from holders of wealth. The Russian government continues to describe its current enemy, which is far more dangerous than Hitler ever was, as “our partner.” Imagine the consciousness-changing effect if Putin and/or Lavrov used the words “our enemy.”

Martyanov is correct. Russia holds the correlation of forces, but it doesn’t know what to do with it. The Russian government permits attacks on itself from an inferior power. It is this that is the danger.

(Republished from PaulCraigRoberts.org by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Good to see comments open on PCR articles, a mistake?

    War can be the death of a nation, therefore war should be avoided whenever possible. A wise leader conserves his military strength. Sun Tzu.

    Putin appears to be the more mature adult playing the game and likely has access to better intel since Western intel appears to loyally serve Rothschild interests first and foremost.

    The situation prior to WWI was such that the German joke was that if invaded by the British Army, they would send the police to arrest them. That belief didn’t prevent the madness that ensued. How many lives has the Rothschild project cost so far? 100 million? 200? Their madness is without limits just like the Zealots of old. Putin has no responsibility to save the West but rather to defend Mother Russia above all and he seems to know this.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rottenborough
  2. hunor says:

    Mr. Roberts the storm is coming !

    No amount of analysis , or clever argument can change that.

    We live in interesting times , that is approaching a new beginning.

    We build this world of ours . We the spirits who are not Russians or Americans.

    Earlier times the heroic warrior spirits influenced our processes of becoming ,

    so much we even talk about them today. Later the more refined spirits of the

    classics , the builders, the painters , the musicians , the writers ignited our spirits .

    Modern times brought us movie stars , sport heroes , and astronomical

    amount of new inventions. We are in comfort and have more options then ever before.

    But it is not our intelligence that produced all this accomplishment .

    Our growth is do to our desire to become and intelligence is a byproduct of that

    trials and tribulations. Our desire to become mirroring all that we accomplished.

    Our intellect mirroring all the problem we have , overpopulation , water and food shortage ,

    the total collapse of moral standard. The handwriting is on the wall, from Mozart to hip hop.

    In our days merchant spirits running the shows , and they god is the shekel.

    This merchant spirits unable to see that growth is destruction , because further growth

    can only be possible to grab more and more and ever more from the powerful , because no more

    easy pray available. So the storm is coming , and it is about time , the old must die for the

    new to be. It is preordained the new cycle will begin.

  3. yurivku says:

    Yes, I totally agree with Mr. Roberts POV and I many times repeated here at UNZ – there is time to show the real power, until too late. But we again listen explanations and fables from Andrei (who’s military knowledge and lots of common sense are without any doubt), – time is almost over, the small stream of events can turn into a stream, a nuke one.

    Russia has to sink couple of US ships and down few jets in order to US warmongers or at least their surroundings got to their senses. The retreats without end it’s a way to nowhere.

    Andrei said – Crimea not a “turning the other cheek” case. Yes, it isn’t, and people gave Putin a lot of support after that. But now is a time to go futher. The only good news which I heard recently it’s that we began an operation in Idlib despite Trump’s warning… That can be beginning of a new story.

  4. @NoseytheDuke

    NoseytheDuke—Putin has no responsibility to save the West but rather to defend Mother Russia

    Quite, but if the countries of the West are able to save themselves (by means of replacing their white-hating elites with the white-friendly variety), Russia’s own future would be that much more secure, there being strength in numbers.

  5. I am concerned about the slip between the cup and the lip. I think something needs to be done to halt Washington’s provocations before they become so extreme that matters get out of hand.

    Dr. Roberts, if you don’t mind, I will try to concisely address this here. Here is the proof of my point and Russia being this proverbial cat with the cook not being able to use the force.

    https://www.rt.com/news/437680-russian-jets-strike-nusra/

    For all bluster from Washington and calls on to “prevent humanitarian disaster”

    But, while he kept talking,
    The cat ate up the whole chicken.

    And this is just the start of demolition of US and Gulfies supported terrorists in Idlib. Will the US attack Russian assets in Syria? Not unless one completely goes off the rails. Will the US attack SAA? Very well could be, but apart from the danger of repetition of the April strikes, which was an embarrassment, no number of TLAMs is going to change the dynamics of the battle to clear up Idlib. Russia is demonstrating her force and to a very practical end at that.

    But here is the point:

    The more the West has caution, the less the risk of war.

    West has caution. In fact, it has it since Putin’s Munich Speech in 2007. War of 080808 followed, then Crimea, LDNR still stands and will continue to stand, Syria survives and summit between Russia, Iran and Turkey precisely on Idlib commences in two days–there will be discussion on how to finish off terrorist nest in Idlib with the minimal bloodshed. I don’t see the US participating here. So, once we look at the record we have to notice a very particular pattern. Russia warns, lets the time for thinking pass, then acts. It is a rather startling record of level headed Putin who also seems to be pretty much on offensive. The difference only is in him not being melodramatic, sappy sentimental and PR-driven when doing his, that is Russia’s, thing.

    Putin could have equipped Syria with the S-300 and/or S-400 air defense system

    As of now, Syrian AD, apart from featuring some advanced short range S1s, is fully integrated into Russia’s Air Defense complex in Syria. As April 13th events have shown, Syrians can defend themselves. If the United States launches another strike, this time, I feel, there will be a delivery of S-300s (not S-400) systems to Syria. That is why, I am sure, Israel is talking to someone in D.C. about this possible strike. After all, we don’t know what is going on behind the curtain. The only thing I know for sure is that a lot is happening behind the curtain. Again, let’s look at the record–these are Russians now who control separation line between Syria and Israel at Golan Heights. Just think about it for a second! Neocons in D.C. are apoplectic. We all MUST NOT, especially against the background of non-stop propaganda noise, lose the perspective on the events of the last 10 years.

    What I think tells most against Martyanov’s optimism

    I am no optimist (or otherwise), I merely “read the signs”, granted in the field which requires a very specific background.

    I will say that this discussion has risks for each of us, because those we are attempting to alert, warn, and to bring out of their insouciance will characterize us as “Russian agents” and “Putin stooges” for doubting US primacy. We will be accused of trying to protect Russia with a peace campaign.

    For me, most likely, this ship has sailed since my book’s publication. If this happens, I can only feel sorry for the country which completely degenerated into hysteria and paranoia–a sad outcome resulting from the inability to deal with gigantic cognitive dissonance between own mythology and reality.

    I also mostly agree with the rest of your assessments. As for now, we should all observe how the offensive in Idlib proceeds and Russia yesterday fired first salvos. Will see if now Ukraine commits “suicide by the cop”, since Poroshenko’s survival depends on some kind of war. As always, Dr. Roberts, it is a pleasure talking to you.

  6. Anonymous [AKA "deino117"] says:

    I was reading this and agreeing with much/most of it until I got to the part about how Europe is disappearing, and that one sign of that is the fact that London has a Muslim mayor. You absolutely lost me there. That’s worthy of the EDL! Disappointed to say the least. I thought you were better than this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @c matt
  7. Anonymous[672] • Disclaimer says:

    Yikes. I bet PCR looked at those first 6 posts (except Martyanov’s) and immediately regretted opening-up comments.

    Learned discussion twixt Andrei and PCR, sure. But Unz readers remain the flock of wackadoodle dumbasses they’ve always been.

    • LOL: The Scalpel, FB
  8. Anonymous[672] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I got to the part about how Europe is disappearing, and that one sign of that is the fact that London has a Muslim mayor. You absolutely lost me there. That’s worthy of the EDL!

    Jesus H. Christ. Case in point.

  9. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov

    If not now, in the not too distant future, anti-ship missiles and anti-aircraft missiles will be able to dispatch all large surface ships and the vast majority of attacking aircraft. This will be the time for a response to US provocations. For example, imagine a US missile strike against Syria results in a US ship being sunk by Syria , Russia, or another ally. At this point, the US must either accept it’s small defeat in front of the eyes of the world, or choose to escalate.

    If the US escalates without going nuclear, the anti-ship missiles and anti-aircraft missiles are called into play. This results in very few aircraft or ships being able to cross the Atlantic or Pacific oceans. Those US assets pre-positioned in Eurasia will eventually be mopped up – also by said missiles. The end result would be the US being contained within the western hemisphere while it’s economy slowly crumbles.

    The preferable response would be, of course, if the US accepted that it’s ships could be sunk and planes shot down in response to unjustified provocation. If it were clear to US decision makers that it was a choice between the previous alternative, this alternative, or going nuclear, then even somewhat delusional US decision makers might likely choose to back down. If so, that would be a great day for the future of humanity

  10. Anonymous[672] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Will the US attack Russian assets in Syria? Not unless one completely goes off the rails. Will the US attack SAA? Very well could be, but apart from the danger of repetition of the April strikes, which was an embarrassment, no number of TLAMs is going to change the dynamics of the battle to clear up Idlib. Russia is demonstrating her force and to a very practical end at that.

    Is a doomsday scenario valid? What are Russian interests in Syria? Primarily economic ones, nie? Is Russia poised to gallop out of Asia like the Mongol Horde of yore?

    No. Russian protection and maintenance of Syria prevents Israel and its puppets from controlling the global petroleum market. It keeps the market for Russia energy products viable. There is no need to get hysterical about GTW.

    The entire current situation is a product of ravenous Israeli greed. But, whoops! — is Israel going to allow the destruction of the ME oil treasure and the infrastructure that supports it? And lose all that glorious, beautiful money? Not a chance.

    The confrontation is over before it begins. Israel will find another way — another way to fuck things up royally for everyone. It’s what they do.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  11. JVC says:

    In my opinion, there is so much arrogance and hubris in Washington that those crazies (idiots) apparently think that nuclear war is no big deal–that they will somehow survive. No matter the obvious planet wide disaster all out nuclear war will be, that’s just the way those crazies think.

    Also, in my opinion, Mr Putin, along with Mr. Xi have a way to put those crazies back into place without the west being able to make much of a response at all. Establish that long speculated gold backed Yuan/Ruble and kill the dollar. The sooner, the better for the entire world, (and I say that even though I depend on social security and VA disability to live).. I would gladly give up a relatively secure retirement if it would mean my grandchildren could inherit a relatively sane world rather than what is apparently in store for them now.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  12. Arioch says:

    It is sad and funny (in dark comedy sense) that just yesterday Dmitry Orlov switched from specific topics of geopolitics into reflections upon if anyone still needs truth today.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-truthers-and-fakers.html

  13. Arioch says:
    @JVC

    > and kill the dollar. The sooner, the better for the entire world

    and start a “nuclear-powered” civil war in USA

    surely we all would have one hell of shadenfraude orgasm, but the end of the show we would probably see from the shelters.

    if “nuclear winter” hypothesis ahs any merit, then it would not be that crucial if American nukes would go off in Russia, China or America itself. It would not matter where, it would matter “how many”, and USA has a plenty.

    One of the primal goals past USSR collapse was collecting all the nukes in Ukraine and other ex-USSR states and drive all of them into Russia. EuroMaidan Minister of Defense claimed Russia launched two nukes at Donetsk airfield. Lot of fun? But what if that smarty really HAD one nuke in his pocket, something like USA Davy Crocket for example?

    Civil war and bloody chaos in USA would be nice to watch for all the nations pillaged and raped by DC regime. True. But that show comes with very specific fireworks, and I am not sure we all really want to go that far.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  14. Bahadur says:

    I like PCR but he shares the neoconservative belief that the image of strength is more important than actual strength (which is, of course, an exaggerated version of a widespread American tendency).

    • Replies: @Arioch
    , @c matt
  15. @Andrei Martyanov

    I have no objection whatsoever to Martyanov being entirely correct. Indeed, I hope that he is.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  16. We should remember that Trump’s “foreign policy” consists mostly of blustering, then being forced to ameliorate his rhetoric and make actual deals.

    It is true that the neocons and Israel-Firsters are apoplectic over the coming full defeat of their plan to do a Libya on Syria. But that plan failed pretty much as soon as Russia entered the conflict in fall, 2015.

    So Israel is likely to flail at Syria, as it did today, with pointless attacks. As did Trump with his pointless “firecracker” shows which hit empty buildings and otherwise did little damage.

    There remains the question of whether a new false flag “chemical weapons” attack will be used by the neocons around Trump to convince him to launch a more serious attack against Syrian military assets.

    The problem for them is that the Pentagon will make clear that no such attack, short of a full-scale air campaign against literally hundreds of Syrian targets, will change the outcome of Idlib or the state of the civil war in Syria. Mattis, however on the outs he is from the Trump inner circle, will be forced to make that point.

    He will also be forced to make the point that Russia has said, and must be believed, that it will not allow the Assad regime to be overthrown, or Syrian territorial integrity to be threatened, or Syrian military assets seriously degraded, without a Russian military response.

    Lavrov will have already made that point in his discussions with Washington. Russian military officers will also have that point directly to their US counterparts in recent discussions.

    Therefore Trump will be faced with the direct choice to risk a direct Russian military response against US assets in the area. I don’t think he has the nerve to do that. Which is why we’ve seen nothing but “firecracker” responses so far.

    Especially since no larger response short of a full-scale sustained air campaign has any chance of altering the outcome of the civil war.

    It remains possible that Trump is so stupid and ignorant of the military realities – or that Mattis and other Pentagon officials are kept out of the loop so that the points discussed are not revealed to Trump – that he may order a more serious attack.

    We will simply have to wait and see. All else is speculation until the Idlib conflict starts and a false flag chemical attack occurs and Trump reacts.

  17. the Russian government is so insouciant that it permits Washington-funded NGOs inside Russia to operate against the Russian government; it permits Washington-funded newspapers inside Russia to demonize Putin and the Russian government; it permits Russian oligarchs and Russian companies to keep money abroad where it can be seized, thus creating animosity against the Russian government from holders of wealth. The Russian government continues to describe its current enemy, which is far more dangerous than Hitler ever was, as “our partner.” Imagine the consciousness-changing effect if Putin and/or Lavrov used the words “our enemy.”

    Obviously, the same global overlords finance and construct weapons systems so that their fake nations states [ cattle pens ] can exhaust and deplete prior stocks in never ending proxy wars which are merely thinly disguised ruses that perpetuate slavery.

  18. @Arioch

    You raised an incredibly important issue, which also greatly adds to a realistic argument that Russia and China also seek “soft landing”, not crash, for the US. I addressed Phil Giraldi’s excellent piece on revenge recently in my blog.

    http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/08/excellent-piece-by-phil-giraldi.html

    There will be, no doubt, schadenfreude globally but there will be no revenge against Americans. Each time I am in Russia it becomes patently clear how majority of Russians separate everyday normal American Joes and Janes from the “elites”.

  19. @Anonymous

    Is a doomsday scenario valid? What are Russian interests in Syria? Primarily economic ones, nie? Is Russia poised to gallop out of Asia like the Mongol Horde of yore?

    1. Doomsday scenario is always valid, sadly. The qualifier here is how probable it is.

    2. Either ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other Jihadist Internationale crushed in Syria or Russia would have to fight it in her Northern Caucasus. This is a major geostrategic consideration, especially having a “stellar” American and NATO record of supporting all kinds of “freedom fighters”, you know–terrorists.

    3. Why would Russia need to “occupy”a freaking Europe? The only reason Russia needs Europe is to sell there her energy and other industrial items , buy some back and that is about it. The times when Russians looked up at the Western world are long gone. There are, of course, some exceptions (minor at that) but today West is viewed both with condescension and, often, revulsion in Russia. In fact, many suggest to erect new Iron Curtain–to stop filth coming from Europe. Just a simple comparison–have you been in Frankfurt airport when it is 100 F outside? I was–no AC, too damaging for…environment. Get, with the same temperature outside, into Domodedovo or Sheremetievo–AC working full power and nobody is dying from heat. Just small detail. And, of course, the fact that Paris is a shithole. For comparison–visit Moscow, St. Petersburg, Vladivostok or Kazan. So, why would Russia need this Europe?

    I would much rather spend my vacations in Moscow (and around) or in Rockies (yes, I love American West with all my heart and I have guns against all kinds of animals, including the ones who walk straight and talk) than in this EU cloaca.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. @Andrei Martyanov

    Analogies do not answer simple questions.

    Why does Putin allow Israeli attacks on Syria?
    Why has Putin not allowed Syria, Iran to have more extensive S300 protection?

    The only thing that comes to my mind: Russian-Zionist influence on Putin, who decided against his general’s advise!

    http://johnhelmer.org/?p=17707

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-struck-over-200-Iranian-targets-in-Syria-over-past-year-566487

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  21. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    3. Why would Russia need to “occupy”a freaking Europe? The only reason Russia needs Europe is to sell there her energy and other industrial items , buy some back and that is about it.

    Yeah, that’s what I said. I guess I “layered” it too much, huh?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  22. @Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s what I said. I guess I “layered” it too much, huh

    I probably misunderstood you. Sorry.

  23. @Max Havelaar

    Why has Putin not allowed Syria, Iran to have more extensive S300 protection? The only thing that comes to my mind: Russian-Zionist influence on Putin, who decided against his general’s advise!

    http://johnhelmer.org/?p=17707

    So, you still think that General Rudskoy’s threat to provide S-300s to Syria was not sanctioned by his Supreme Commander (Putin that is), especially during sensitive dealing with Israel to apply some pressure? So, these are all powerful Jews who controls Russia, eh? FYI, Iran does have S-300s, there are chances that Iran also has P-800 Oniks and many other things. Also, FYI, Russian military command serves Russia and is in total subordination to the President of Russia. They do not run around and make off the wall statements. If Israel will continue to “behave” herself–Russia WILL provide SAA with S-300s. The Idlib operation will be a good litmus test both for Israel and US. If I would be you…let’s put it this way–I have issues with Mr. Helmer and his claims.

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  24. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:

    It is great to see PCR open comments again. One of my favorite columnists here at Unz. Please continue to keep comments open for future columns. But I think both PCR and Andrei are missing some key points here.

    PCR is absolutely correct that Washington needs to be checked. If a bully is picking on you, sometimes you need to bloody his nose to get him to back off. Andrei is correct in the correlation of forces having swung into Russias favor. And Putin needs to show restraint lest he finds all of Europe combining against Russia.

    But Andrei underestimates the true power the West holds. America can afford to be behind militarily because America holds every other card there is. America does not seek to fight on equal terms, and will use everything from the media, to movies and music, to economic pressure, to the pero dollar, to alliances to weaken Russia until it is weak enough for the kill shot.

    Divide and conquer can be played by a weaker foe to topple a much larger one. And cleaving off bits of territory like Ukraine and minorities like muslims is what the West will try to do as this is Russia’s soft underbelly. Right now Russia may be united behind Putin, but what if the West just waits till Putin’s successor arrives with less support and tries to divide Russia then?

    PCR seems to think our elite can be checked enough to think reasonably. But what if our elites don’t give 2 fucks about America. Our elites don’t see it as nation state vs. nation state. They think if America gets destroyed in a war, they will just move to the next country and rule the world from there.

    The only way Russia can win and survive going forward is if it builds alliances across the the world, not just in it’s back yard, and plays it’s own divide and conquer game. Russia needs to focus on cementing ties with important players like China and Iran, but also court new allies like Mexico and Canada. How’s that for bloodying Americas nose?

    I really think the way Russia come out of this in one piece is not about the military but all about OBOR. Nothing else is as threatening to the West, and nothing else is more important for Russia.

  25. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov

    If the economy gets very bad, movement towards a civil war in the US may become unstoppable. As I have said before, the first country to intentionally nuke the USA will be the USA. No other nation would want to do that, but the US has shown the ruthlessness with which it will eat its own during the first civil war. It is part of the particular “christian” ethic in the US that Americans tend to always believe that they are on the side of God, so they take whatever means necessary and let the chips fall where they may.

  26. If the economy gets very bad, movement towards a civil war in the US may become unstoppable. As I have said before, the first country to intentionally nuke the USA will be the USA.

    Dream on. There will never be a civil war.

    This sad excuse for men here are ruled by women.

    They are too scared to use hurtful words much less spill the rivers of blood that would be necessary to restore equilibrium.

    Speaking of men, where the hell is Michael Scheurer?

    He should be writing here.

  27. Anonymous [AKA "carlitos"] says:

    russia should launch an attack on saudi refineries as retaliation for bus bombing in yemen, call saudi king an animal , oil goes up sinking us economy and russia prospers

    for dessert get a nikki haley lookalike to in un warn usa blood is on their hands

  28. @Andrei Martyanov

    As an FYI, I sent you email, check your inbox or spam folder.

    Curious how returnees from the US are perceived in Russia. In China, they are still often seen as losers who couldn’t make it in America though that’s changed a lot over the past decade in the other direction.

  29. pogohere says: • Website

    “But Andrei underestimates the true power the West holds. America can afford to be behind militarily because America holds every other card there is.”

    Do tell: what cards would they be?

  30. @Paul Craig Roberts

    Thank you for opening up your cmments.

    OT: Do you have any idea of when or how we can see the last 3 parts of the interview you did with the Swedish lady a month or two ago?

    I have searched her YouTube channel and her website to no avail. The 3rd part was issued weeks and weeks ago and then nothing.

    Also, it does not look like she is hiding the remaining 3 behind some kind of subscription paywall as she is not advertising such.

    I enjoyed the first 3 parts of that interview immensely and would like to see the last 3.

  31. Caution is the outcome of reason.

    The FUKZUS ‘war’ machine’s raison d’etre is to create chaos to justify its existence.

    In the same way the ADL needs antisemitism [all Arabs, Muslims and Palestinians fully excluded] so Greenblatt can keep cashing his $50K a month.

    Two major and very recent successes in liberating large swatches of Syrian soil, are indicative of the progress Syria and her Allies made to this day. Russia isn’t preoccupied with drawing red lines, as it is too busy solving geo-political problems to have time to play with ‘crayons.’

  32. Arioch says:
    @Bahadur

    > belief that the image of strength is more important than actual strength

    There is a point. If there are other states, almost peers, then recruiting them as allies greatly increase your power and flexibility. And nurturung that “image of strength” helps the recruiting.

    Another thing is that USA seems to had drained and exhausted all their vassals so they just can NOT recruit anyone valuable anymore. If so, then the appeal of that image becomes an investment with little return

  33. Arioch says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Since you brought that link i am about reiterating my question from that post: what should “international community” do with USA after DC regime is defeated. You may say that is distributing a skin of not yet slayed bear, but so was Yalta Conference 1943.

    The Arioch
    11 days ago

    “old Soviet/Russian post-Great Patriotic War slogan Nobody Is Forgotten, Nothing Is Forgotten, is not just about those fallen who fought for the motherland, but also about atrocities and those who committed them. Somebody, somewhere always keeps the score and somebody always has to answer.”

    But that is the revenge, by definition.

    So, basically there would be three options (not only for Russia, but for every pillahed runied nation oit there).

    1. Do nothing. Accept that looting and ethnocide was just a natural course of mankind history. And when the next looting and ethnocide comes it would be natural too.

    “….and weak suffer what they must”. If Libyans now have to go to slave markets to speak with their sisters and daugters – they should blame themselves. And other nations should learn from their ineptitude – survival of the fittest. And DC regime is guilty not of being predator but of becoming weak old fangless predator. Hegemon is dead, long live next hegemon.

    Actually this approach is adjacent to PCR’s “another cheek”. Yes, hopefully not the Russian cheek, but for other nations it would be so.

    2. Revenge the land, the state, the nation. But keep the domestic iasues to Americans themselves. Show America the bill but let Americans themselves spread the burden.

    Hypothetically that could lead to ideal solution when “revolutionized American masses” remove their 1% from power and squeeze as much remedies as possible from those clans. However more probably those would be 1% squeezing the blood from the masses, and then blaming it on “enemies of America we warned you about”.

    That perhaps is about what Israel does to Germany and what Red Army Faction fought against. New wine in old bag.

    3. Target and revenge the 1% individuals or clans. Gain the power over America (let’s not for now ask if that is even possible) and use it to have the targeted revenge and to extort compencations from the culpable clans. Would those clans move abroad, use power over America to find or make the evidence against those clans and go confiscate property once belonged to the clans in USA.

    This, however, was what Stalin did with hitleresque 1% in Baltic States and which is now interpreted as “eradicating nations elites to force slavery and degradation towards them”. This is the basis of neo-nazi pronounced victims and heroes and role models, tacitly in Western Europe and proudly in Eastern Europe.

    Frankly, it is hard to say what is worse. I don’t know.

    Maybe revenge is not that bad a thing, afterall?
    Maybe by avoiding revenge we borrow safety from our future generations just to enjoy our own hands being white clean today?

  34. Arioch says:

    BTW the very concept why Americans should have guns up to long-barrel semi-auto, it is not a privilege to shoot beer cans, school bullies, thugs and cops. It is the alleged *responsibility* and *obligation* for the nation to revolt against tyrants.

    Yes, i know about Whiskey War and about North vs South war, and it is as usual easier said than done. However the concept was AFAIR that removing tyrants from power is direct obligation rather than a dormant right. And American nation with all the bragging about being “free”, “brave” and guns owning failed (reneged?) it.

    So much, what is a “revenge” and what is a “penalty” ?
    What about negative and positive stimuli, clubs and carrots?
    What about future lessons other nations would draw from the American case about benefits and risks of having their own world-pillaging tyrants?

  35. Watching says:

    Euro-gentile world dominion is taking it’s last labored breaths. It won’t be long now, and this nightmare will be over.

  36. “… for centuries Germanic and other tribes continued to attack Roman legions that they had no prospect and no success for the longest time in defeating. Humans do crazy things, and there are no more crazy humans than American neoconservatives.”

    I’m not sure where PCR was going with this. The US is clearly Rome. The Germanic Tribes were quite successful in stopping Rome from completing its conquest of their territories much farther than a few miles north and east of the Rhein, so much so that the Romans started staffing their rank and file military as well as its General staff with Germans while the decadent Romans gorged, drank, and fornicated their merry selves into a stupor which lasted right up until the hired help realised they could take a far larger piece of the prize than they were getting from Rome’s oligarch class. The US has the misfortune, however, of having not selected the best the third-world has to offer to do the dirty work Americans won’t do, but they will prove no less rapacious than the Germanic tribes were vis á vis Rome.

    As for the Russians and the Chinese, they are a straw-man argument for why we need to pump up our ghost legions. Nothing more.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  37. Arioch says:
    @The Alarmist

    > The US is clearly Rome.

    Is it?

    I heard opinions, if anything USA should be traced back to “pirate republics” and through them back to Carthago. Sea power.

    While Ancient Rome was a “land empire” and as such more manifests in China or Russia, the “heartland”

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  38. KenH says:

    I can see both sides of the argument but I tend to share PCR’s cynicism, pessimism and foreboding due to the (((neocon))) death grip on the U.S. government and foreign policy. The (((Wolfowitz))) doctrine is still the guiding policy among U.S. elites and it seems they are willing to risk nuclear war to weaken Russia to the point that it can’t act as a counterweight to U.S. unilateralism (aggression) around the world and interfere with the ongoing Oded Yinon plan in the middle east.

    Putin is trying very hard to win the public relations war in the West and show that he is not the person/tyrant to counter false depictions by the Western media and governments. As a result he might be taking a softer than recommended approach towards U.S. provocations that is emboldening the U.S. further rather than mollifying us as Putin hopes.

    Putin’s cool hand Luke style is admirable and helping to avoid a major conflagration but if he’s replaced by a more intolerant and temperamental Russian then things could get much more interesting and dangerous.

  39. Putinist Russia is not the angle in Ukraine, but the aggressor. If Putin wants to do what is best for his country he needs to get completely out of Ukraine, and that includes Crimea which he stupidly stole.

    Don’t belabor the so-called referendum either. It was held under the guns of an occupying power after Putin imported thousands of new voters and also allowed the occupying troops to vote in the fake referendum.

    By the by, if those super weapons do exist, which is unlikely, they don’t exist in sufficient quantities to matter. We’ve already seen how weapons development goes in Putin’s Russia. He’s so broke now that he can’t afford to equip his Army with more than a Brigade of T-14s over the next two years.

  40. @Arioch

    Land/Sea is irrelevant. Social development is the relevant factor. If any country parallels Carthage, it would be Germany; the Morganthau plan is on hold while they are on probation.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  41. FB says:

    Well…it’s great to see the venerable PCR engaging in this discussion…

    What are we to make of the question under discussion here…?…is PCR right, or is Mr Martyanov correct in his assertion that Putin is doing everything exactly right in Syria…?

    This is a serious question at this moment in time, as we see a superpower crisis looming over the imminent liberation of Idlib…the Trump administration has already bombed Syria twice…both times Russia did not respond…it did turn the other cheek…

    It is also true that the last US attack on Syria was mostly show, so one could argue that the Russian warnings were heeded…although it must also be pointed out that the strikes on three empty buildings in Syria, while causing no casualties, also provided a big PR ‘win’ for the strutting peacock US and further burnished its sheen of ‘invincibility’…while at the same time making Putin look like he backed down…

    It doesn’t matter what the objective truth is…the optics are what’s important…and clearly Putin lost face…certainly among his enemies in the West [and the sheeple they mislead]…and also those on the side of international law and order and on the side of the Syrian people who are the innocent victims of Western aggression…

    In this light…what is seen to be the ‘truth’ is more important than the actual truth itself…

    Now here we are again…back in the exact same spot as last April…with the FUKUS coalition again threatening to bomb Syria and openly stating that their goal is to keep bleeding Syria instead of allowing peace to break out…

    “Right now, our job is to help create quagmires [for Russia and the Syrian regime] until we get what we want,” the official said in reference to the attempts by Washington to obstruct the final offensive on Idlib.

    ‘How to stanch Syria’s bloody final showdown’…WaPo, August 30…

    Now the argument from Mr Martyanov is quite cogent…look where we are today with all of Syria liberated, except for the Idlib rat’s nest…[and of course the Kurdish entity controlled by the US]…but pretty much all of ‘useful’ Syria is pacified and under government control and normal life is resuming…

    And furthermore…if the Russians had reacted impulsively to those last two missile strikes by hitting US or coalition ships or planes…the whole thing might well have blown up…

    This is factually a little more of a stretch than the first conclusion, since we cannot objectively know what would have happened…

    In any case, the Martyanov argument goes, that the results [so far] show the soundness of the strategy of turning the other cheek…

    I actually agree with this…and so does PCR as he has stated unequivocally here and on his own website…

    But PCR also said this…

    ‘I agree with everything Martyanov says. But I believe my question remains unanswered.’

    And that question having been articulated in Dr Roberts’ previous article…

    ‘Provocations ‘Have A History Of Escalating Into War’

    ‘Whereas I endorse Putin’s strategy and admire his coolness as a person who never lets emotion lead him, there is nevertheless a problem…

    …based on history…appeasement encourages more provocations, and it comes to a point when you have to surrender or fight. It is much better to stop this process in its tracks before it reaches that dangerous point.’

    Let us look at the troubling situation unfolding this very moment in Syria…Israel yesterday launched missiles against Syrian targets killing one person and damaging military installations…

    The Turks, who have a strong military and are embedded with the terrorists in Idlib, have come out in support of the US position on Idlib…calling any military action by the SAA ‘unacceptable’…

    So right now Russia and Syria are in a bind…they do not want this to escalate out of control…

    Now here is where we ask this question…would Russia and Syria be in this particular bind right now, if, in that previous missile strike in April, the Russians had hit back and given the FUKUS a bloody nose…or at least shot down the missiles…?

    We know that the Russian air defenses did not fire a shot in anger even against those US, French and British missiles…

    It was left to the Syrian air defenses to intercept those missiles, which we can be almost certain that they did…[based on the inconsistencies in the ‘coalition’ narrative before and after the strike…ie before the strike there were eight targets, including Syrian airfields…while after the strike they changed their story and said only those three empty buildings were targeted]

    It is also clear that the US narrative of hitting a one-acre complex in the Damscus suburb of Barzeh, with a claimed 74 cruise missiles, packing a combined 37 tons of TNT [enough to flatten a small city], is demonstrably impossible based on the laws of physics…and I demonstrated that in an April 15 technical dissection here…

    It may even be possible that the whole thing was just a show pre-arranged between the US and Russian militaries…but we have no way of knowing that…

    What we do know is that the Russians have the air defense capability in Syria of neutralizing even a very large cruise missile strike…[cruise missiles are technically not difficult to defend against with advanced air defense systems, they are much easier to shoot down than a piloted fighter jet, and I have discussed the technical aspects of cruise missile flight performance on Mr Martyanov’s ‘800 pound Gorilla thread’]

    Now let’s suppose that the Russians had done just that back in April…activated their air defense crews and knocked down virtually all of those 100 missiles [with possibly a mere handful getting through, but likely not hitting anything due to electronic warfare countermeasures]…thus depriving the Western media from bragging [with sat pictures] about how they destroyed Syria’s ‘chemical weapons’ labs…

    How would the situation today be different…?

    Would we right now be subjected to the same ugly propaganda and war threats…not to mention the Skripal provocations that are conveniently ramped up at this precise moment in time…?

    I would say the situation would indeed be very different…for one thing the Russian demonstration of military capability to neutralize US aggression would be hugely damaging to the entire imperialist war machine and its perceived invincibility…

    And what risk would have the Russians taken by simply countering the illegal coalition strikes on Syria…?

    Objectively none…they have every legal right to do so…of course had that played out that way, the US neocon crazies and their media puppets would have cried bloody murder about ‘Russian aggression’…and the US might well have decided at that point to further escalate…

    But as many astute observers are aware, including Dr Roberts, the US does not any longer hold escalation superiority against Russia…not even in Syria…

    In my comment on Mr Martyanov’s thread yesterday…I discussed the nuts and bolts of escalation…and pointed out that back in 1962, at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Russians brought down an unarmed U2 spy plane over Cuba…killing USAF pilot Maj Rudolf Anderson, the only combat death in that crisis…

    Did the US decide to escalate then…?…no they did not…for the simple fact that they did not hold escalation superiority…

    It is the same today…clearly then Dr Roberts’ question remains unanswered…Why does Russia not engage in the game of chicken that they know the US cannot win…nor will attempt to win…?

    Losing that game of chicken is exactly what is needed today…to show up the entire fake edifice of fake ‘reality’ that the lying US government, deep state and media have constructed like some kind of ghastly Potemkin village….and in which we are all doomed to live out our liberty-free lives…

    Now this is a long discussion already, but before I finish, let us consider the notion that the April strike was actually pre-coordinated between the respective militaries of the US and Russia…this is indeed possible…and if so then this would show a very positive development of cooperation at the military level…that would be great news for all mankind…

    In this scenario then, the current brouhaha over Idlib is just more kabuki theater, with each side playing its public role, while everything is already ironed out between Mattis and Shoigu in a secret deal…this would allow the US to achieve ‘peace with honor’ in Syria, as Nixon would have put it…

    If this scenario is indeed what is going on then really this is the best of all possible worlds…but what if it isn’t…?

    Then Dr Roberts is entirely correct…there needs to come a forceful response from Russia on Syria…this thing needs to be wound down and peace restored to this suffering land and its people…just like Vietnam…

    And in fact, that forceful response should have come earlier…because each time the response does not come, the provocations get more brazen and more dangerous…

    Let us remember one thing also…Dr Roberts has been right on just about everything for the many years that I have been following him…I was a freshman in college when Ronald Reagan took office and Dr Roberts was brought into the inner circle of the POTUS…I remember that time well…the United States was actually a real country back then…it wasn’t perfect to be sure, but if anyone had told me then what a monstrosity this country would mutate into in just the space of a few decades, then I would have said ‘you’re crazy’…

    But that is just what happened…and now where do we go from here…?…PCR has seen much more of the inner workings than any of us…while I was still wet behind the ears he was getting nuclear football training, being in the hierarchy of succession of the United States government…

    Dr Roberts humbly stated at the start of his article here that he may not have articulated his position clearly…I would say that it is more likely that readers have not understood what he said clearly…I do believe that Mr Martyanov is correct on this issue also, but we do not know all the facts about what is really going on behind the scenes…

    The question PCR has posed still stands unanswered…but the debate and discussion here certainly advances our collective understanding…and for that we are all grateful…

    • Replies: @Arioch
  42. @Andrei Martyanov

    Iran had to wait a very long time, before they received a couple S-300 batteries.

    I ‘m not a journalist with lot’s of sources, not an expert in all matters either. I do not know Helmers history either. So it’s not triply verified. Just an occasional, very outspoken, commenter.

    But I do think, there must be some, limited Billionaire, Russian-Zionist pressure on Putin, which clearly prevents him supporting the anti-NATO block to the max. in the Middle-East.

    Not supporting to the max. the anti-NATO axis, is counter to Russia’s objective, national security interests.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  43. @Max Havelaar

    But I do think, there must be some, limited Billionaire, Russian-Zionist pressure on Putin, which clearly prevents him supporting the anti-NATO block to the max. in the Middle-East.

    There is NO anti-NATO block in Middle East, never was. There is, however, a huge issue between Shia and Sunni with large swaths of Sunni Arabs being, actually, quite enamored with Al-Qaeda and ISIS. In fact, they finance them. Here is just a little review of Arab twitter to give you some taste of how many are really not that “anti-NATO”. Google Translate will help

    https://inosmi.ru/politic/20180905/243173362.html

    Nor, presenting Iran as some Manichean force for good is correct, especially from Russia’s perspective when this “anti-NATO” Iran, upon lifting of sanction forgot the same minute about Russia and rushed to those very same NATO European countries to do business. As Russian famous proverb goes: Vostok–delo tonkoe (Middle East is a delicate business). The dominant culture of the area is “gotcha”, so let’s not obliterate here an immensely complex political, diplomatic and military dynamics there. Russians finally (!!!) learned and got rid of this “internationalist” (often debilitating feature of Russian character) and resorted finally (!!!) to “what’s in it for me” posture. Long overdue and this the only way to do business there, especially with Arabs. In the end, let’s recall who Assad was preferring prior to 2011? Surely, not Russia–he was most interested in dealings with London, Paris and Washington. He was wrong, by actions he admitted that and that does him honor, but then again–he is highly educated, sophisticated and quite pleasant and courageous human being. Most of the ME is not that. Especially on the “Arab street”.

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
    , @Arioch
    , @FB
  44. Arioch says:
    @The Alarmist

    Social development “follows money”.

    Who today speaks languages of Roman Bretonia after French (Normann) conquest of the island?
    Those are powers to be who demand and fund the culture, in the long run.

    Pets like cats and dogs are being trained to use their kind of toilet, as the eons of evolution made them capable of keeping their environment clean.
    But with bats and birds that can not be done, they defecate on the fly and have zero intention to keep someone else’s environment clean.

    “Sea nations” are raiders. Their culture forms around destroying someone else’s environment for their short term profits. Because there is always enough poor suckers to pick upon. And because those poor suckers across the sea won’t be capable of revenge.

    That is how it forms, and then how it expands from aristocrats to peasants and proles.

    Tokyo fire, Dresden fire, Hiroshima&Nagasaki – sea nations seek at maximum destruction for “shock and awe” cause they are shielded of the consequences of destroying alien environments. Dresden was hosting Allies POWs by the way, still was calculatedly turned to ashes.

    With Leningrad Siege Hitler sought to eradicate aborigines but to keep much of their “material culture” to own it himself.

    Those became cultural instincts.

    Oh, and Hitler famously was building autobahns just like Romans were building roads everywhere they could incliding England.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  45. @Andrei Martyanov

    Ofcourse, the Axis of Resistance (Syria, Iran, a bit Irak, and Hezbollah, a bit Lebanon) against Jewish aggression in ME, since 1948: the Palestinian massacres, imprisonment and expulsion by terrorist David Ben Gurion, Menachim Begin and allies [Ilan PAppé: the ethnic cleansing of Palestine].

    Iran, Syria now definitively anti-NATO, Irak, Lebanon coming.
    Iran certainly can pay for Russian arms, Irak + Syria ‘s oil can provide the backup for payment, and who knows what Lebanon can do.

    The idea is to counterbalance the former US/NATO/Israel military dominance in ME with Russian arms! And not for for free, ofcourse. This may stop the incessant Israeli aggression in ME, and cut warmongering Exxon mobile-Chevron profits and bring “the Chosen ones” back to earth: make peace agreements!

    Analyzing nations along racial, ethnic and religious lines is an all-time CIA pre-occupation:

    On CIA’s Al-Qaeda/ISIS read Zbigniev Brezinksky Grand Chessboard: ..create and arc of crises in the Eurasian landmass. So the US did : Afhanistan, Irak, Soudan,…

    See also W.F> Engdahl’s book (The lost hegemon…) on the Muslim brotherhood, Brittish MI6 created, and a CIA tool.

    My creed on #USForeignPolicy = holocausting the 3-rd world for Wallstreet profits, since WWII 20 million dead (See Oliver Stone’s realistic movies: Platoon, JFK, Wallstreet I = II).

  46. Arioch says:
    @FB

    > …based on history…appeasement encourages more provocations

    That begs a question what exactly appeasement is, in general terms and as applied to the current Syrian war.

    There is a motto, never pay to terrorist and blackmailer.
    This however does not prohibit having negotiations.

    So, where is the edge between being easily distracted from your own roadmap and appeasing those distractors?

    Is appeasement bribing? Giving something to a bully to have his lust tenporariky satiated? But what SAA-controlled city was wifilly surrendered since September 2015 ? Turkish invasion, “Olive branch”, was into US/Kurds occupied area after they adamantly and continuously rejected cooperation with Syria.

    Would Damascus called back Idlib offensive – that would perhaps be appeasement, giving up on the city in American proxies hands. However even that is not an overt bribing, paying, giving away something currebtly yours.

    Refusing to react on American hysterical TLAMming while steadily steamrolling one’s own roadmap over American proxies – is it really an appeasement? Or that very “cat eating up the chicken” ?

    Granted, PCR is correct here, that hysterical person, attention-whoring if nothing better remains, can really go totally off the spin, after her escalating shenanigans are repeatedly ignored.

    There was a Japanese comic on North Korea nuke tests few years ago, with rather funny stereotypes about nations. The artist closed his site since, but the picture can hopefully be still googled by “Russia onee-sama”. That comic actually was much enjoyed in Russia, perhaps we liked that stereotype about ourselves, snarky and visually unimpressed. At least we saw “Russian” line there completely natural for us. Dunno if other nations’ lines would look authentic, but America’s complain was that the commotion goes out without anyone calling her to take part.

    Frankly, the American public messages w.r.t. Syria more and more look like desperate “notice me! i am important!!!” tantrum. And ignoring them is perhaps what hurts that child of a state the most.

    Now, PCR’s concerns that this tantrum, this hysterical demand at attention can one moment “go ballistic” are quite understandable. Hysterics, genuine ones, not pretend acting, can go over the board. And sudden slap over the face is an ancient if risky method at cancelling hysterics.

    PCR seems to believe this American long going tantrum is organic and requires such a face slap to bring America back to senses.

    However imagine a mother in a Wallmart with a spoiled hysterical chikd throwing that tantrum. The child starts with raising voice, then from worded demands to shrieking, to rolling over the floor, to dropping goods from shelves to the floor, etc.

    But can such a kid really cause huge material damage to the mother? Or to the Wall-mart franchise?
    And would mother physically schooling such a kid in public end well for her, giving all the bleeding hearts around, some with their own interests?

    • Disagree: FB
  47. Anonymous [AKA "Adios Mi General"] says:

    The alternative blogsphere’s understanding of Putin/Russian motives are partially incorrect. There is no evidence that either Putin or the Russian elites are pursuing an anti-Western/Zionist foreign policy. If they were, they would have strengthened the air defenses of Israel’s rivals long time ago.

    The truth is that Russian elites want to eventually join the US and the rest of Western world to form a pro-Christian/European alliance against the rising powers of the East. They believe that cultural Marxism in the West would eventually collapse the same way communism did in USSR.

    They are playing a long-term waiting game, but their projections are based on their own experience of dealing with a hostile elite (the Bolsheviks) who were attempting to impose a foreign ideology (communism) on native Slavic people. What the Russians are failing to understand is that unlike their own situation, there are currently no native forces in the US that could counter the Neocons.

    The sad truth is that the national integrity of the United States has been fully compromised. The current situation in the US is more like Spain during the Moor invasion than Communism of USSR. The majority of Americans can’t tell the difference between native vs alien elites, or native vs foreign culture, etc. American culture has been altered in such a way that it prevents them from detecting internal dangers and to organize a reaction to it.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  48. Arioch says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    > In the end, let’s recall who Assad was preferring prior to 2011? Surely, not Russia–he was most interested in dealings with London, Paris and Washington.

    Really?
    Not in pubkic PR but in actions?

    Then what did him make betray “London, Paris and Washington” and deny Qatari pipeline project?

    It would take him one “yes” and he would be rich, glorified by Western MSM like pre-invasion Gaddafi was, and Syrian war would not have started.

    But he instead gabled Syria upon Iranian and/or Russian interests.

  49. Arioch says:
    @Max Havelaar

    How reliable that “resistance” is?

    AFAIR among countries once fighting Israel there were Jordan and Egypt. Egypt even was not so far ago one country with Syria. But where are they now? Jordan is dedicated American vassal. Egypt can not decide between USA and Saudi Arabia.

    You named Iraq, that very Iraq which at American orders was gassing Iran with UK-made WMDs, right? That is the honoured “Axis of Resistance” ??? Then why not add Turkey to the list?

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  50. Arioch says:
    @Anonymous

    > The truth is that Russian elites want to eventually join the US and the rest of Western world to form a pro-Christian/European alliance

    > …. the US and the rest of Western world

    LOL

    Actually if the grande dream of Kremlin still is “to form a pro-Christian/European alliance” then who should be pursued is, well, European peninsula, and the New World province better be isolated, politically (just what Trump wishes to do) and militarily (by collapsing American economy with military overspending).

  51. Arioch says:
    @Max Havelaar

    > The idea is to counterbalance the former US/NATO/Israel military dominance in ME with Russian arms!

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  52. FB says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I think you’re swallowing the Western-concocted Shia-Sunni ‘split’…which in fact doesn’t really exist…what exists is that KSA extreme Wahhabism is demonizing the Shia in their midst first of all for practical puposes [they sit on the oil in KSA]…and Iran and outside Shia also…

    This big Shia-Sunni ‘divide’ is an invention of DC stinktankland…

    Also I disagree that Assad had ‘preferred’ the West over Russia…the ties between Syria and Russia are long and deep…having helped that nation assert its independence from European colonialismand resist Israeli aggression…

    I think that particular comment of your was really something of a klunker…

  53. I think you’re swallowing the Western-concocted Shia-Sunni ‘split’…which in fact doesn’t really exist…

    Yeah, how can I know this with my service in Caucasus and guarding, among many other things, maritime border between Iran and USSR. I will omit here an internal documents which as early as 1970s were issuing guidelines when forming tactical units, from platoon up (from ship’s crew up) to be on alert for Sunni-Shia background personnel’s ” interactions”. This was in Soviet Union, mind you. In 1980s things got even more complicated. The split very much exists both theologically and geopolitically even more so with Iran being perceived on the “Arab Street” as a challenger for regional dominance and with some Wahhabi shitholes having a lot of hurt about this fact. If the religion here is a tool or foundational, or a mix of both, in this split–it is the matter of taste, but the split is very real. As are huge differences in Iranian and Saudi geopolitical aims.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Anon
  54. @Max Havelaar

    Analyzing nations along racial, ethnic and religious lines is an all-time CIA pre-occupation:

    Nope–Arab “reputation” in combined arms was taught at my naval academy in the course of military history, of course there are memoirs and articles by Soviet military advisers during Arab-Israeli wars, there is my own experience with those advisers in 1980s in Libya–very not commendable towards Arabs. And yes, analyzing “nations” along racial, ethnic and religious lines that is what real serious military and intelligence people were doing before, are doing now and will continue to do in the future. The same goes for a serious law enforcement organizations–they profile, they create data bases, they also even create models and identify behavioral patterns. I understand very many here are willing to praise kumbayatic relations, but this is not how the real world works. Another matter, that some people, especially liberally-inclined, cannot distinguish between legitimate and scientific identification of traits with immediate desire of those who do said identification to immediately fire up concentration camps ovens. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially in the Law Enforcement Departments dealing with Ethnic crime. When they don’t–you get Sweden, Paris and London(istan).

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Max Havelaar
  55. Paulb says:

    The only way for Mr. Putin to change Americans’ opinion of Russia would be to address us on American tv. Mr. Trump should of course speak on Russian tv.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  56. Cyrano says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Once I had a captain (yes I do have a military service, but I wouldn’t brag about it – no Rambo here, sorry), who said an interesting thing. He said: 1 Arab will always defeat 1 Frenchman, 10 Arabs will always defeat 10 Frenchmen, but 1000 Frenchmen will always defeat 1000 Arabs.

    • Replies: @Arioch
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  57. FB says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I’m not convinced with your response on the Sunni-Shia issue…

    It’s one thing on a personal level, as you describe in the military service, where EVERY possible issue that could arise among personnel and cause a discipline problem…I’m sure there were also directives about Christian-Muslim possible issues, as well as various nationality issues in such a multiethnic country that was the USSR…and probably men-women issues etc…the military is thorough that way, for a practical reason…

    That doesn’t mean that the Sunni-Shia split is NOT something that is being egged on by the West as a divide and conquer tool, the oldest trick in the book…

    No one is saying there is no such thing as Shia-Sunni distrust and even enmity, varying from one individual to the next…with probably the vast majority not being very invested in it at all…but the fact is that we have ample proof that this is a fire that is being deliberately started and with gasoline continuously poured on it by the same divide and conquer party…just as in the former Yugoslavia…

    Why did it happen that all those ‘ancient hatreds’ among the Serbs and Croats and Muslims just suddenly happened to flare up the very moment that the Soviet Union collapsed…?…that whole narrative about ancient hatreds is 100 percent bullshit…Yugoslavia in 1991 had a lot of mixed marriages for generations…even today, a quarter century after the ‘ethnic wars’ you have Croats marrying Serbs, and Serbs marrying Bosnian Muslims etc…very few people in any of those nationalities actually hate the other, and most don’t really care…it was an extremist minority in each camp that was very skillfully manipulated by the puppetmasters of the West…

    Long before yugoslavia we saw the same thing in India as the British were leaving…it was a deliberate plan to drive a wedge between Muslims and Hindus by the British…

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  58. Arioch says:
    @Cyrano

    That was long ago said by Napoleon Bonaparte 😀

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  59. Arioch says:
    @Paulb

    Putting had a long article in either NYT or WaPo, I guess it is the maximum he can do, without being interrupted and shut up by the host.

    American bimbo-journo had interview with Putin and it was even much talked about in USA, but was that show impressive?..

    Maybe “un-American” TV like RT could give Putin some prime time, but dissidents who watch RT are already awoken, they do no need such addresses.

  60. @FB

    Why did it happen that all those ‘ancient hatreds’ among the Serbs and Croats and Muslims just suddenly happened to flare up the very moment that the Soviet Union collapsed…?

    I will be very short here: because they existed always, as, an example, Azeri-Armenian hostility which, yet again, flared up with horrible results once center’s (Moscow) power was weakened–I was there. So, we need to distinguish very clearly the cause and exploitation of the cause by different parties (CIA, MI-6, KGB etc.). That is why those problems emerge almost instantly (flip of a switch) once control over them is relaxed. Meanwhile, in related topic Pentagon now confirms that Russia warned the US this week twice that airstrikes in Idlib will also commence in the areas of US bases and operations. Cannot get any clearer than that.

    • Replies: @FB
  61. @Cyrano

    Once I had a captain (yes I do have a military service, but I wouldn’t brag about it – no Rambo here, sorry), who said an interesting thing. He said: 1 Arab will always defeat 1 Frenchman, 10 Arabs will always defeat 10 Frenchmen, but 1000 Frenchmen will always defeat 1000 Arabs.

    Very true. Ability to fight as a force was never their strong feat. Now, to fight modern war–is something else altogether. In the same time there is very little doubt that at this stage SAA performs rather well once issues of Command and Control, and training, had been addressed with active participation of Russian advisers.

  62. FB says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    ‘I will be very short here…because they existed always, as, an example, Azeri-Armenian hostility…’

    Well…I don’t want to stretch this out either since it is off topic…but the short answer is actually that it is ALWAYS outside interference…ie divide and conquer…

    How is it that Indian Hindus and Muslims were perfectly united against the British…but then, as the British were leaving they decided to stir up those problems that ‘always existed’…?

    Which only then caused, for the first time, a unified India to split into two countries…Pakistan and India…East Pakistan later splitting off itself to form Bangladesh…

    Ever since then, India and Pak are implacable enemies…until very recently, since both joining the SCO and recently the news full of Pak and Indian soldiers dancing together…so finally it is coming full circle as both finally realize there is again a bigger devil that requires a united front…

    Sorry but your notion of ethnic and religious hatreds does not explain the phenomenon fully…in fact it is only the tiny seed which is then seized on by colonialist and imperialist powers to sow discord and divide and rule…

    • Agree: The Scalpel
  63. @Arioch

    The Rus were a maritime power offshoot of the Vikings, and theysettled down in what is modern Russia, now considered a land power. The Vikings themselves settled down, and some would say dissipated themselves, in northern Europe. One product of their raiding and pillaging are some of the most striking women in the world.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  64. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    As you are indicating, Shia Sunni split is a schism that can never be brought together. There is an irreconcilable difference, a chasm, abyss of difference that can never be crossed. That is my understanding from extensive Shia discussions. Goes back to earliest days of Islam. People that have not delved into it cannot comprehend it.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  65. Cyrano says:
    @Arioch

    It’s possible. The captain that I had wasn’t really famous for originality.

  66. Cyrano says:
    @Anon

    Shia-Sunni split is real, it’s similar to orthodox-catholic split in Christianity. It’s hard to say which one is worse. I think orthodox-catholic schism is probably worse. It’s been going on since the 11 century – I believe and probably will never be healed. I remember when pope John Paul 2 asked to visit Moscow to “heal” the rift between the 2 churches. Patriarch Alexei saw through the whole charade immediately. Here is a Polak asking to triumphantly tour Moscow and to gloat over the defeat of communism by forces allied to the catholic west. That’s why I like the Russians, they can see phony agendas right away.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
  67. @Arioch

    Not networked radars and offline!

    • Replies: @Arioch
  68. c matt says:
    @Anonymous

    You’re kidding, right? Did you sleep during the coverage of the 1400 years of war between Europe and Islam?

    Of course, you are the exact reason Europe/America is or soon will be gone.

  69. c matt says:
    @Bahadur

    But you are operating under the premise that those making evaluations are rational. That the difference between image and reality actually matters to them. On this score, sadly, I lean towards PCR’s view of things.

    • Agree: FB
  70. FB says:

    Just read Saker’s answer to PCR’s question…and PCR’s reply…

    I agree with PCR and I think neither Martyanov nor Saker have answered the question…’how far does Russia let the provocations from both the US and UK continue before we find ourselves in a shooting war’…?

    PCR is correct that actual shooting war is preceded by a demonization campaign…we saw this in Yugoslavia with the demonization of Milosevic, which was then capped by illegal Nato aggression in the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia…

    There is a real price that Russia is paying simply by the fact that huge swaths of the American public and the wider Western public in the EU, Japan and other places is now full of Russia hate and ready for a real war…

    At the same time it is not only Russia that is paying the price, but also those very publics in the same Western countries that are the victims of manipulations, lies and psyops…as part of a larger scheme to completely dumb down and control the people like guinea pigs…and get them behind their increasingly brazen schemes such as the current open coup against president Trump…

    The biggest favor Putin could do for Trump and the entire world, and especially the increasingly zombified people of the West, is to deliver a good punch in the mouth to the lying scumbags in the US media and deep state…and the only way to deliver such a punch in the mouth is by taking a gratuitous shot or two at the rinky dink US military…Syria is a perfect place for that…

    As I have said already in this discussion….the US no longer has escalation dominance over Russia…so such a shot across the bow is absolutely risk free…I don’t care what Saker and Martyanov say…and neither has addressed the issue of escalation dominance…

    But one very good commenter here has…in his recent article on Lew Rockwell.com…

    The Day U.S. Military Supremacy Publicly Ended

    What if the next time the U.S. military fires Tomahawk missiles at targets in Syria, or Iran, Russia responds by not only shooting down the missiles but, as it has threatened to do, also destroys their source of origin. A Kinzhal hypersonic missile armed with a conventional weapon strikes and sinks the aircraft carrier from which the missile-carrying planes took off. Would America really respond to the sinking of one of its aircraft carriers by starting a first-strike nuclear war?

    Aircraft carriers are sitting ducks. They are defenseless against hypersonic weapons. Attacking and sinking a U.S. carrier with a hypersonic missile anywhere on the planet gives Russia what analysts call escalation dominance, which the United States cannot counter in kind.

    —Donald Miller MD

    Right now we have the very real possibility of the US launching a seriously destructive strike against the SAA in Syria over Idlib…I had up to yesterday discounted this possibility as remote and unrealistic, but the ‘anonymous’ oped in the NYT has forced me to reassess…

    It is clear that there is coup underway in the US and that we cannot be sure who exactly is in control…

    ‘In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

    And…

    ‘It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening.

    And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

    And…

    ‘The [Trump] erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media.

    But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

    What does that mean…?

    It means that the US president is no longer in charge of decision making…even matters of the most grave national security decisions…HIS AUTHORITY HAS BEEN USURPED…

    No matter who wrote this it is absolutely clear that we do not know who is in charge, nor what they intend to do…but they are certainly telegraphing a possibly deadly attack on Russia in Syria…

    It does not take a genius to connect the dots…from the hullabaloo about chemical weapons attacks in Idlib…to the sudden and very timely ramping up of the Skripal farce…and now the coup de grace…a flat admission that the US government is dysfunctional and that a rogue element is actually in charge of US policy…

    We have to also ask ourselves would we even be here right now if the Russians had simply returned fire in Syria on the two previous occasions they had the chance to do so…?

    What happens now if this rogue regime, outside of the control of the POTUS, attacks the SAA and Russians in Syria with deadly intent…?

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  71. Svigor says:

    I stopped reading anything PCR publishes when he demanded comments be ended. One-way conversations are called lectures, and they usually come from fragile people who can’t defend their work.

    Like PCR’s silly piece about knowing who the anonymous contributor is. PCR goes from gaffe to gaffe, secure in the knowledge that no one can call him out.

  72. @Svigor

    Like PCR’s silly piece about knowing who the anonymous contributor is

    Actually, PCR nailed it perfectly.

  73. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    I stopped reading anything PCR publishes when he demanded comments be ended. One-way conversations are called lectures, and they usually come from fragile people who can’t defend their work.

    Oh, jeezuss, put on your big-boy pants, Junior. Nobody gives a shit for your snit. PCR has more credibility and reader good-faith than your stupid-ass whining will ever garner.

  74. @FB

    In my view, NATO was defeated on April 14-2018 when firing some 110 cruise missiles into Syria.

    So no Tomahawk will destroy Syria.

    https://southfront.org/trumps-smart-missiles-in-syria-summing-up-evidence-and-numbers-provided-by-russia/

    So the good news is: only a full blown nucleair war can destroy Syria. Which will not happen, because of automated MAD.

    Best option for Russia: sink a Destroyer or something simalar, to send the message home: the US dominance game is over!

    Forget the Post and NYT CIA scribblers, they are untrustworthy mockingbirds.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @FB
  75. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:

    Tempest in a teapot. Idlib will be cleaned out as the neocons whine to no avail. Done deal.

    Israel’s agitating in Syria will continue at a lower level, while it turns most of its efforts to fucking-up some weaker target. Maybe kill a few hundred thousand Lebanese, just to keep busy? Maybe turn on Jordan, invade and open up a passage to Iraqi oil? There’s lots of plots more easily executed than taking and holding Syria.

    There’s always more blood and money to be extracted from working Americans. While Israel loves making the US fight its selective wars, it loves taking our money even more.

  76. @Arioch

    I simply state, Russia should sell their defense arms, Pantsir’s, S-300 to these nations, so they can defend themselves better against Israeli and US missile strikes.

    If all arms in place, operational US and NATO would lose their “bombing to the stone age” threat in ME and lose a lot of bargain power for oil.

    My adagio: peace = military balance.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  77. @Anon

    As you are indicating, Shia Sunni split is a schism that can never be brought together. There is an irreconcilable difference, a chasm, abyss of difference that can never be crossed. That is my understanding from extensive Shia discussions. Goes back to earliest days of Islam. People that have not delved into it cannot comprehend it.

    Remarkably, in my humble opinion, the best book on primarily Sunni Islam written in the last 10 years in English, Robert Reilly’s “The Closing of Muslim Mind” gives a superb set of answers to the issues of not only faith but of Middle East. Obviously, many construe Reilly as a neocon and they may have some point re: foreign policy, but if a neocon, he is, certainly, one of the brighter ones and one who sincerely tries to find the answer. Not to speak of him being just normal conservative socially, which I share. But here is the trick, a nasty, one–while experiencing revulsion towards necons and their debilitating influence of the US, I accuse them of the other mind-crime–they monopolized, and in doing so, discredited in the eyes of many the idea of legitimate and serious issues between Islam and Christian world. Many deplore, and rightly so, the Israeli penetration (and cowardice of WASP “elites” I may add) of American politics so much, that in a classic Manichean fashion, which is a classic American trait, they automatically ascribe to those who fight Israel all features of “freedom fighters”. Well, the picture, actually, is much more complex and Islam as such is not a benign force. Two wrongs do not make one right. But, as was observed not for once, general decline of the intellect of American “intellectual” elites and those who pretend to be such inevitably results in this black-and-white picture, which has as much in common with a complex reality than me being a Chinese astronaut (Taikomaut). So, neocons by capturing topic of Islam completely preclude an appropriate and honest discussion on security issues related to this religion. As such, neocons deal even more damage to already paranoid and hysterical United States. Well, that, plus, of course, Israel being in cahoots with head-choppers and other jihadists.

  78. @Max Havelaar

    Best option for Russia: sink a Destroyer or something simalar, to send the message home: the US dominance game is over!

    It will happen if any of Russian assets are “engaged” by the US. But I think, Russia may play first with Royal Navy or Marine Nationale assets. People forget (how fast, as usual) how wonder-boy Macron was openly begging Putin not to sink any French ships in April.

  79. FB says:
    @Max Havelaar

    Best option for Russia: sink a Destroyer or something simalar, to send the message home: the US dominance game is over!

    I agree and that’s what PCR has been saying all along…

    Forget the Post and NYT CIA scribblers, they are untrustworthy mockingbirds.

    Don’t agree there…right now we don’t even know if the POTUS is in charge of anything…

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
    , @Arioch
  80. @Andrei Martyanov

    What I meant to say is: the CIA is using this analysis to split nations into warmongering, violent groups in order to achieve the “arc of crisis” on the Eurasian landmass.

    Zbigniev Brezinsky’s Grand chessboard.

    The CIA will find the most criminal, stupid, unemployed people in each category-group-database, and start brainwashing them for violence, in training, arming and ultimately commanding these terror groups.

    Examples: Ukraïne ‘s neo-NAzi Svoboda party in the Euromaidan coup of Victoria Nuland/Kagan.

    The Turkish Fetullah Gülen network (=CIA) who promotes violence, facilitates CIA Islam violence teachers, trainers and arms all over Turkey and Eurasia.

    ISIS networks in Irak + Syria, many armed, trained by CIA operatives in Eastern Europa and Azerbeidjani diplomatic airways.

    Would you deny all these CIA covert operations?
    (The Lost hegemon: WF Engdahl)

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  81. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    But we know how far the insults will go, the question has been answered. Putin himself has said that Russia will not allow a bloodbath in LNR/DNR. The ambassador to Lebanon said what Russia’s response would be in the April events, that caused the US to carry out cosmetic strikes instead.

    Russia is not responding to marginal insults, but has publicly announced what it would do if pushed too far.

    We also have the history of 08 08 08, and Chechen wars, and recently, Crimea. Russia will act immediately under certain circumstances. We know what will happen, and under what kind of circumstances. It isn’t that hidden, obscure, or mysterious.

  82. @FB

    What about AUTOMATED MAD?

    =Fully computerized, internetworked, automated Mutual Assured (nucleair) Destruction.

    This means noboby will do it.

    This is the bright side!

    • Replies: @Arioch
  83. @Max Havelaar

    The CIA will find the most criminal, stupid, unemployed people in each category-group-database, and start brainwashing them for violence, in training, arming and ultimately commanding these terror groups.

    Nobody argues with that. The point is that many religious and other racial, ethnic, cultural issues existed before the United States was even a country, much less had the CIA.

    Would you deny all these CIA covert operations?

    Absolutely not, but the history of secret diplomacy and covert operations is much-much older than the US. In fact, as legend tells us, Trojan Horse was in business a very long time ago.

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  84. You are a bit off-topic.

    Odysseus, the cunning, is not in sight.

    How do you assess the Russian-Jewish influence on Putin?

  85. Arioch says:
    @The Alarmist

    Then average “next door” Russian should go along average American quite well.

    But, while old Russian ruling elites were quite close with Vikings, maybe even including common Orthodox stance against Catholicism, as some say, but as a state Russia was land power with no doubt. And that went century by century, empowering one traits and inhibiting others.

  86. Arioch says:
    @Max Havelaar

    Exactly! Why the hell it was offline and crew smoking on the shoulder?

    And Israel said they shoot that Pantsir *after* it was firing at IAF jets.

    So it was not ambushed, the syrians allegledly were already in the battle. Then they switch it off and living it in the open go smoke some joint.

    With such an attitude the better tech you give them the worse results are.
    Give them a sabre and they would know it only performs as good as their arm does. Give them a SuperSabre and they would expect it automagically solving all their problems while they have a ciesta. And when it would not they would have grudge about being given bad tech.

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  87. Arioch says:
    @Max Havelaar

    Looking at the history of Israel vs Arab wars i have to sadly conclude Israeli are better soldiers.

    In average they make more out of obsolete weaponry than Arabs make out of top-notch.

    In Korean war mostly Soviet pilots were flying jets, not Korean or Chinese.

    Argentina vs UK – NATO jets/pilots won.
    And that is the pattern, when NATO picked the fight even most new Soviet jets did not help.

  88. Arioch says:
    @FB

    Long ago Trump gave military top brass full authority over operation in Syria (or in Afghanistan maybe).

    People were saying Trump wants more war.
    But i was saying Trump is publicly washing hus hands signalling he is not in control and does not want to be seen responsible.

  89. Arioch says:
    @Max Havelaar

    Full-auto MAD can only happen under few specific conditions, at least that was said to public.

    1. Nuclear blasts registered inside Russia
    2. None of several “nuclear briefcases” – President, MoD, etc – can be contacted (implying top human government was succesfully killed).

    Well, and
    0. Death-hand mode was activated.

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  90. @Andrei Martyanov

    You are a bit off-topic.

    Odysseus, the cunning, is not in sight.

    How would you assess the Russian-Jewish influence on Putin?

  91. @Arioch

    I think Russion MoD has confirmed this on RT.com. I’ve lost the exact link.

    My guess: if Russian Satelite’s and radar pickup too many Minuteman’s, say 5 in the air, then a full automation retaliation starts: raining nucleair Sarmats, avantgards, Poseidon sub nukes and whatever on the North-American continent.

    Easy.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  92. @Arioch

    Some have said, it was setup or honeypot by the Russian to detect latest NATO frequencies used and they succeeded.

    The Russians are very good trainers of the Syrians.

  93. Arioch says:
    @Max Havelaar

    The known case from USSR time was that all the computer information and decision was checked by human being, an officer who refused to push the button, and later it was confirmed it was a false positive.

    The worst thing about American nukes in Poland and Romania is that they leave no time for humans to re-check and re-estimate computers decisions.

    But with Minutemans starting from USA mainland – there would be such time. So I think it would not be totally computer-driven mode, not yet, hopefully.

    • Replies: @Max Havelaar
  94. @Arioch

    I bet the Russians have fully automated Nucleair response programmed, simplified like this:

    If (Minutemans in air > 10) then

    launch all Sarmats, nucleair sleeper torpedo’s in oceans to detroy all NATO sites

    Endif.

    If the Americans are smart, they will programme:

    If (Sarmats in air > 10) then

    launch all Minutesmens to destroy all Russian sites

    Endif.

    And publish your software procedure, so the enemy will know.

    This will ensure no more than 10 will ever fly. And so MAD prevents Nucleair War.

    This is the consequence of NATO’s radar/missile installations in EU and abolishing START and ABM treaty.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  95. Anonymous [AKA "FB Ali"] says: • Website

    It is quite possible that Vladimir Putin has conveyed to Trump, Mattis and other US military bigwigs what is likely to happen should they cross his ‘red line’.

    If he is sure that such a warning is taken seriously, why would he need to sink US ships etc to make the same point? Any such rash action would create many other results that could force the US to undertake some stupid reaction.

  96. Arioch says:
    @Max Havelaar

    Hardly so.
    Your rules are the buttons on Remote Control Unit.

    So called “minimax games” are based on the requirement, that adversaries can not be sure about each other’s actions.

    When deers have their hardwired rules – wolves learn how to exploit them and set traps and ambush.

    When Obama said by invasion he would punish Syria for having chemical W.M.D. – Assad and Putin made a huge show, disposed of those weapons on EU funds and pulled the rag from under American warmongering.

    When Pitin said Ukrainian putchists should not attack dissidents – America burned people to death in Odessa and shelled cities of Donbass, and Putin swallowed his words and lost a lot of his macho image. Alternatively he could engage Russian Army in Ukraine, quite probably trigger NATO’s military response and and very least give up on Syria.

    Red lines are the controls of yourself that you grant to your enemies.

  97. Well, this nucleair game has a very predictable outcome and both sides know it.
    I see both nucleair systems (US and Russia’s) as one, and no party can use it, unless self – destruct.

    MAD prevents total nucleair devastation.

    Not many journalists will say this, because they lose their fearfull audience.

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