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Turkey’s unprovoked shoot-down of a Russian military aircraft over Syria raises interesting questions. It seems unlikely that the Turkish government would commit an act of war against a much more powerful neighbor unless Washington had cleared the attack. Turkey’s government is not very competent, but even the incompetent know better than to put themselves into a position of facing Russia alone.

If the attack was cleared with Washington, was Obama bypassed by the neocons who control his government, or is Obama himself complicit? Clearly the neoconservatives are disturbed by the French president’s call for unity with Russia against ISIL and easily could have used their connections to Turkey to stage an event that Washington can use to prevent cooperation with Russia.

Washington’s complicity is certainly indicated, but it is not completely out of the question that the well-placed Turks who are purchasing oil from ISIL took revenge against Russia for destroying their oil tanker investments and profitable business. But if the attack has a private or semi-private origin in connections between gangsters and military, would Turkey’s president have defended the shoot-down on such spurious grounds as “national defense”? No one can believe that one Russian jet is a threat to Turkey’s security.

Don’t expect the presstitutes to look into any such questions. The presstitutes, such as the BBC’s Moscow correspondent Sarah Rainsford, are spinning the story that the loss of the Russian aircraft, and earlier the airliner, proves that Putin’s policy of air strikes against iSIL has backfired as Russians are not safer.

The responses to the shoot-down are also interesting. From what I heard of Obama’s press conference, Obama’s definition of “moderate Syrian rebels” includes all the extremist jihadish groups, such as al Nursa and ISIL, that are the focus of the Russian attacks. Only Assad is an extremist. Obama, following the neocon line, says that Assad has too much blood on his hands to be allowed to remain president of Syria.

Obama is not specific about the “blood on Assad’s hands,” but we can be. The blood is the blood of ISIL forces fighting the Syrian army. Obama doesn’t refer to the blood on ISIL’s hands, but even the presstitutes have told us the horror stories associated with the blood on ISIL’s hands, with whom Obama has allied us.

And what about the blood on Obama’s hands? Here we are talking about a very large quantity of blood: the blood of entire countries—Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and the blood that Obama’s puppet government in Kiev has spilled of the ethnic Russian inhabitants of Ukraine, not to forget the Palestinian blood spilled by Israel using US supplied weapons.

If the blood on Assad’s hands disqualifies Assad from office, the much greater quantity on Obama’s hands disqualifies Obama. And Cameron. And Hollande. And Merkel. And Netanyahu.

ORDER IT NOW

Throughout the entire Washington orchestrated conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, and Ukraine, the Russian government has spoken reasonably and responded in a diplomatic manner to the many provocations. The Russian government relied on European governments realizing that Europe does not benefit from conflicts generated by Washington and separating themselves from a policy that is against their interests. But Europe proved to be a collection of American vassals, not independent countries capable of independent foreign policies.

In its campaign against ISIL in Syria, the Russian government relied on the agreement made with NATO countries to avoid engaging in the air. Now Turkey has violated this agreement.

I will be surprised if the Russian government any longer places any trust in the words of the West and any hope in diplomacy with the West. By now the Russian government and the Russian people will have learned that the Wolfowitz doctrine means what it says and is in force against Russia.

From the Ukrainian attack on Crimea’s power supply and the blackout that is affecting Crimea, the Russian government has also learned that Washington’s puppet government in Kiev intends further conflict with Russia.

Washington has made it clear from the beginning that Washington’s focus is on overthrowing Assad, not ISIL. Despite the alleged attack on France by ISIL, the US State Department press spokesperson, Admiral John Kirby, said that Russia cannot be a member of the coalition against ISIL until Russia stops propping up Assad.

To the extent that the shoot-down of the Russian military aircraft has a silver lining, the incident has likely saved the Russian government from a coalition in which Russia would have lost control of its war against ISIL and would have had to accept the defeat of Assad’s removal.

Each step along the way the Russian government has held strong cards that it did not play, trusting instead to diplomacy. Diplomacy has now proven to be a deadend. If Russia does not join the real game and begin to play its strong cards, Russia will be defeated.

(Republished from PaulCraigRoberts.org by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: ISIS, Russia, Syria, Turkey 
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  1. Svigor says:

    Turkey’s unprovoked shoot-down of a Russian military aircraft over Syria raises interesting questions.

    I wouldn’t call the shoot-down “unprovoked.” Flirting with the borders of a country’s airspace is relatively provocative. But so far I’m on Team Russia on this one, because 1) it looks like the Turks were itching to shoot a Russian jet down the first chance they got (doing so when the Russian pilot crossed a 2-mile-wide “finger” of Turkish land that juts into Syria, according to the NYT), and 2) the Turks are clearly tolerating, if not aiding and abetting, anti-Assad forces moving back and forth across their Syrian border.

    If I was Putin, I’d give it some time, then have Spetsnaz sneak into Turkey and blow some shit up in Turkey worth roughly 10x what their downed jet and helicopter cost, killing roughly 30 or so Turks in the process. Or use a drone or something to do the same.

    From the Ukrainian attack on Crimea’s power supply and the blackout that is affecting Crimea, the Russian government has also learned that Washington’s puppet government in Kiev intends further conflict with Russia.

    The Ukrainians should think twice about this kind of thing. It wouldn’t be hard for Russia to just go ahead and seize the corridor between Russia and Crimea, too.

    • Agree: Vendetta
  2. Realist says:

    Russia was naive to begin with.

  3. Svigor says:

    Or just down several Turkish aircraft, say 5 or 6; that would send a good message, too.

  4. J Yan says:

    Apparently, Erdogan was unimpressed by the demonstrated capability of Russia’s cruise missiles. Perhaps Russia should send him one for closer inspection.

  5. Tom_R says:

    OBAMA AND NETENYAHU’S PUPPET ERGODAN DID NOT ACT ALONE.

    Thanks for the good article, Sir. I agree that Ergodan did not act alone but was ordered by his masters, the neo-con owned and operated illegal alien Barry Sotero aka Obama and possibly even Netenyahu.

    I agree that Russia must understand it is dealing with the Judaists, who are mentally deranged psychopaths using the Muslims to do the killings for them.

    Coming on top of the attack on the Metrojet plane bombing in Sinai where they used Al Sisi, this is more salt on the wounds.

    Russia must keep score and avenge both these criminal acts by the criminals Netenyahu and his puppets Obama, Ergodan and Al Sisi.

  6. sean c says:

    Not a very smart move by Turkey. First Russia has motivation to respond and many options that could prove costly to Turkey. Russia could end up being the power behind Syria, Iraq and Iran. To get revenge Russia will only need to support a rebellion of the Kurds against Turkey. They could provide the Kurds safe haven from air attacks in Syria and Iraq. Russia could provide more support to Armenia and Greece, two enemies of Turkey.

  7. Rehmat says:

    Turkey is the ONLY Muslim-majority NATO member – Thanks to the Kemalist regimes before AKP.

    Turkey’s so-called “Islamist President” Recep Tayyip Erdogan is “closet Zionist”, according to his mentor, professor Erbakan, the first Islamist prime minister to Turkey since Gen. Mustapha Kemal abolished Ottoman Caliphate in 1923.

    Erdogan will do what his masters in Tel Aviv and Washington tell him.

    http://rehmat1.com/2013/09/02/zionist-mafia-goes-on-trail-in-turkey/

  8. unit472 says:

    There seems to be a great deal of ignorance as to Russia’s power relative to Turkey in this region. Turkey is a nation of 80 million people with an industrial economy the equal of Russia’s. It makes things including those block 50 F-16 fighters that shot down the Russian fighter. It has a very large and powerful ground forces more than capable of taking on any Russian Army Putin could deploy to the region. Putin is just going to have to suck it up and realize Syria is in Turkey’s sphere of influence!

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @krollchem
    , @Anonymous
  9. Realist says:
    @unit472

    You posted this stupid shit before.

  10. Kiza says:

    Dear PCR, thank you for a very rational and balanced view of what happened in Northern Syria. But you have too much understanding for the Russian stupidity. This is because you are an honest man like most of the Russians are. I do hope you can make a difference between honest and stupid, not sure if Putin can.

    Now start packing for the Southern-most tip of South America. I hope you will be one of the few US citizens saved when the Big Kahuna starts. The West is determined to win over Russia, or have a nuclear war.

  11. Svigor says:

    Something tells me that the only way Putin’s going to “suck it up” is if that means payback in kind. But hey, I could be wrong.

  12. Svigor says:

    Russia might decide to give man-portable AA missiles to Kurdish rebels, on the provision that they shoot a few Turkish jets down with them ASAP.

  13. Avery says:

    I am of the opinion Erdogan did this on his own.
    He is not very rational.
    Turks also organized the chemical attack in Syria themselves to goad NATO into attacking the Syrian Army.
    And their FM Davutoglu and MIT head Hakan were recorded planning a false-flag bombing of their own historic tomb in Syria as an excuse to invade.
    Turks do not always listen to US and do not always ask for permission from D.C. They did not allow US transit during the Iraq war, for example.

    Turks’ gandiose plans for Syria were completely upended with Russia coming in, so they are besides themselves with impotent rage. Their Neo-Ottoman dreams were crushed.

    But the number one reason is that Russian AF has been pounding the Turkmen terrorists by the border region where the Su-24 went down. Turkmens from there have fled to Turkey in large numbers as a result of the bombing. There was a lot of domestic pressure on Erdogan from Turks and Turkmens to “save” the Turkmen (terrorists). And Turks have been officially complaining to Russia about the Turkmens for a couple of weeks.

    In any case, what Erdogan did will be answered.
    In a very unexpected way.
    Nobody knows how or when, except Putin and a few people in the inner circle.

    One way might be to start raining bombs and cruise missiles on the Turkmen areas.
    But I don’t think Putin will do much now with Turkey itself.
    Not until Syria is secured: he can’t lose focus and spread his forces too thin.

    But Russians will bide their time and strike when nobody expects it.
    Years after Chehcen wars ended, FSB started sending kill-teams into Turkey to assassinate Chechen leaders who fled to Turkey, thinking they’d be safe in an Islamist country.

    I think Erdogan screwed up big this time.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
    , @NoseytheDuke
  14. krollchem says:
    @unit472

    Winter is coming…

    All Russia has to do is shut off all trade with Turkey, including natural gas, and the Turkish government will collapse along with the economy. The NATO allies would then get 20+ millioni Turkish refugees.

    As for the strength of the Turkish Army you do not have a clue.

    Please spend a few years getting an education. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    • Replies: @unit472
  15. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Putin’s best way to dealing with the problem is to have Erdogan be given a quiet dose of poison, although giving aid to Erodgan’s domestic rivals might be just as effective. With Turks preoccupied with internal squabbling over who is going to replace Erodgan, Turkey is not going to be very involved with the Syrian mess for a while.

  16. Vendetta says:
    @Avery

    I think you’re right. Hope the Kurds get a package of MANPADs for Christmas.

  17. @Avery

    I think you’re right, we’ve probably all known an idiot or two who goes too far and spoils the party. The very idea of Turkey as part of a North Atlantic Alliance is a joke, why do people suffer this kind of crap?

    This incident has value though as Erdogan has over stepped. If I’m clearing a wasps nest from the garden and step into my neighbour’s yard whilst doing so, is my neighbour justified in shooting me because he thought I was going to invade his home and rape his wife? It is becoming ever clearer even to the very thick just who is fighting extremist jihadis and who is using them for geo-political gain. You can only fool all of the people some of the time.

    The Kurd card is a big one up the sleeve as mentioned by sean c.

    Russia (then USSR) sacrificed 25million souls during the last big war and have a far different perspective than modern Turks and yanks who got off easily (relatively). They know who funded the enterprise and who really stands against them. Russians are chess players and know the stakes are very high and they have many, many options. If I were Russian I would be very proud of their behaviour of late. As is said, Russia doesn’t start wars, it finishes them. 80 – 90% of WWII Nazi casualties were due to Russians and their Soviet allies.

    The real silent power is the people of the US and UK, mostly going along with and even reelecting their liars and traitors du jour. Long term they will suffer and deservedly so, Australia, Canada and the long list of vassals too. Not my wish but as elementary as effect follows cause. Only they could nip this in the bud with general strikes and civil disobedience but sadly will and stones don’t seem to be in the mix. Will the french see through the illusion and resist? I don’t know but they’re more likely to than any of the Anglo sphere.

    Meanwhile, the gods plot and plan their rolling back of civilisation to ever preserve their position at the top and all are being played as very, very few will actually get to sit at the table and that ultimately includes most of those identifying as Jews.

  18. in each situation – Georgia, then Ukraine – Putin has done the minimum to protect Russia’s interests, and then fizzled. I expect the same pattern via a vis Syria. And don’t expect any substantial retal for the airliner massacre or the fighter shoot-down. Hope I’m wrong, but this does seem to be the pattern

  19. I think that Erdogan has miscalculated. Turkishs products will no longer be popular in Russia.

  20. unit472 says:
    @krollchem

    Total trade between Russia and Turkey was $35 billion last year. Russia supplied about 50% of Turkish natural gas but there is a huge glut of this fuel in Qatar and Russia needs the export revenue more than Turkey needs Russian gas. Putin is broke!

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    , @krollchem
  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    As Col. W. Patrick Lang (USA, ret.) pointed out on his blog, Russia is a great military power, while Turkey is third world.

    The F-16 took down a Ruusian bomber aircraft, not one of their dog fighters (Su-27/30). But Su-27s and SU-30s will be along for the ride for all bombing operations from here on out. And Turkish jets will be tracked at all times and locked on from take-off to landing. Today Russian aircraft are slamming the terrorist Turkmen and will step up operations to punish them severely. Drop white phosphorus on those jihadi murdering motherfuckers!

    • Agree: Realist, Kiza
  22. mad1 says:
    @unit472

    Turkey National Debt as % of GDP 43

    Russia National Debt as % of GDP 18

    US National Debt as % of GDP 102

  23. Lol, the idea that Turkey is any kind of a military match for Russia is ridiculous. In sheer numbers, the Russians have triple the number of airplanes and tanks the Turks have. Plus satellites and all kinds of other useful gadgets. Plus nukes. Plus a military tradition of winning regularly (though not always) since about the time when the Turks stopped winning.

    Anyway, back in the real world, Lavrov said something along the lines of: “Well, we did lose a jet, and we like out jets and our pilots, but at the end of the day it’s a jet and we are not going overboard on this issue. We get it, Erdogan doesn’t like us bombing his terrorist acolytes. But we have good relations with Turkey and would like to keep them. Erdogan is a creep, but he won’t be around forever. Remember those leaked phone conversations that caused him so much trouble? Expect more of those.”

    In terms of publicity, Erdogan’s stunt has been a disaster. Especially since it comes so soon after Erdogan’s ISIS friends blew up France, and his constituents sang “Allah Akhbar” at a soccer game. Public opinion deplores the Turkish attack and sympathizes with Russia.

    From a purely pragmatic point of view, the affair seems bizarre. What could Turkey and Erdogan possibly gain from this stunt? The excuse – that a Russian jet penetrated Turkish airspace – is patently absurd. Even if the jet did cross over into Turkey (debatable), it was there only for a few seconds, and it clearly posed no danger. Ankara could have scored some diplomatic points by formally complaining to Moscow about the incursion.

    It looks like Erdogan finally has gone completely nuts. God knows what drugs he’s on.

  24. So Erdogan makes an enemy of Russia. Does he expect NATO to protect his Islamic ass? This Sultan wannabe is an idiot and a loose cannon.

  25. krollchem says:
    @unit472

    Actually, Russia supplied 57% of Turkey’s gas. Another 20% is supplied by Iran.

    Qatar, a major ally and supporter of ISIS, cannot supply natural gas via pipelines Syria opposes this proposal. I suggest you look at how much Qatar charges Poland for LNG. Qatar LNG cannot compete with either Russian or Iranian gas at the price they charge.

    Where do you get the idea that Russia is broke?

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