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Seymour Hersh has published a long account of the homicide of Osama bin Laden:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden
Hersh concludes that the Obama regime’s account of the killing of bin Laden is a total fabrication except for the fact that bin Laden was killed.

I do not believe Hersh’s story for three reasons. One reason is that bin Laden was suffering from disease that no one can survive for a decade. His death was widely reported in 2001. One reason is that even Hersh’s “true” account of “what really happened” is contradicted by eye witnesses and the initial Pakistani TV interviews of eye witnesses. One reason is that Hersh’s story is too convoluted for an assassination raid, a routine event. He exposes lies within lies, indecision within decision, payoffs within payoffs, and reports such a huge number of people with advance knowledge of the raid that it cannot possibly have been kept a secret.

I could add a fourth reason–the US government’s lack of credibility. Washington lies about everything. For example: Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, Assad’s use of chemical weapons, Iranian nukes, Russian invasion of Ukraine. If, as Hersh reports, lies comprise 99% of Washington’s tale of the raid in Abbottabad, why believe that 1% of the story is true and that bin Laden was killed. It is difficult to have murder without a body. The only evidence that bin Laden was killed is the government’s claim.

In my opinion, Washington’s disinformation agencies have finally managed to deceive Seymour Hersh with a concocted “inside story” that saves Washington’s claim of having murdered bin Laden by proving that the US government is an extraordinary liar and violator of law.

Hersh’s story does prove that the US government is a liar, but it does not prove that a
SEAL team murdered Osama bin Laden.

(Republished from PaulCraigRoberts.org by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. J Yan says:

    If Hersh received disinformation, the source may not have been Washington: the portrait painted by Hersh is just too damning. The most scandalous part of the story is that the Saudi gov’t was funding bin Laden from 2006-2010.

  2. alexander says:

    You are absolutely right Mr Roberts,
    I think we need to examine thoroughly the capacity for and damage done by “fraud” in the post 9-11 era….If someone “defrauds me (or you ) into launching a war against someone who is not a threat to us by insisting that they are….then isn’t the “defrauder” as much ,if not more so, a “terrorist” then the person we are erroneously attacking ?..
    .If someone “fabricates threats that are not “real”, is not that someone, by logic ,” terrorizing” us also, just by virtue of the fabrication?
    And if Fraud (or what you refer to as” lies”) is not” terroristic” in nature, especially in issues of war and peace, or whom we imprison in Guatanamo Bay, and who we hunt down as “terrorists”,then how are we able to achieve justice, how can we possibly apply the rule of law, and how can we survive as a nation?
    It seems that for the very basic justice of society,”Fraud” in a post 9-11 era,needs to be rooted out, castigated, recognized as “terrorism “and dealt with as severely as any act of terror that we are sure of !

  3. hbr says:

    Seymour Hersh isn’t happy that Obama doesn’t like Israel so much.

  4. matt says:
    @hbr

    Seymour Hersh likes Israel less than Obama does. Which isn’t hard to do, by the way.

  5. Hersh says:

    Andreas von Buelow, …”I have the impression that this kind of intelligence agency spends 90% of its time this way: creating false leads.” http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html

    Seymour Hersh’s story is another layer of disinformation. “By October the military and intelligence community were discussing the possible military options. Do we drop a bunker buster on the compound or take him out with a drone strike? Perhaps send someone to kill him, single assassin style? But then we’d have no proof of who he was,’ the retired official said. ‘We could see some guy is walking around at night, but we have no intercepts because there’s no commo coming from the compound.’” They discussed dropping a bunker buster bomb in a residential neighborhood? Why not a nuclear bomb? Is that any more absurd? A bunker buster bomb to get one individual?

  6. “. . . I could add a fourth reason–the U.S. Government’s lack of credibility. Washington lies about everything. . . .”

    True enough.

    Personally, I don’t know what the hell to believe. I’ll say this much: Why wasn’t the body retained for autopsy and identification by an international panel of pathologists?

  7. @hbr

    Big deal! US policy should be about USA not some foreign sovereign nation attempting to buy votes for traitors to the great US of A.

  8. Bin Laden was reported alive in July 2001, and not in Afghanistan where he was supposedly located per western press news reports and claims of the Taliban giving him refuge but traveling between Pakistan and Dubai:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html

    However this pans out, let’s not forget Seymour Hersh has been spot on many times and here’s related example:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/28/the-mojahedin-e-khalq/

    ^

  9. Hersh wrote before how Saudi Arabia was using Salafi jihadist to fight Shia with and the US was going along with it. If only those 28 pages were released then we would see what has been hidden from us regarding the war on terror. Hersh wrote this around 8 years ago:
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection

    I think what Hersh said is plausible at least in parts and why would Al Qaeda keep the rouse that Osama is alive? They could continue it and say that wasn’t Osama but a stunt double that was killed if he was that useful of a mascot. In the end does it matter? The man is dead either way. Pakistanis would not want to be responsible for the killing of such a popular figure. It is plausible someone came in looking for money and gave Osama Bin Laden up. The real issue is the regional religious civil war that has been instigated to reshape the Middle East through violence.

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  10. hbr says:

    Apparently they are talking to NBC now.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistanis-knew-where-bin-laden-was-say-us-sources-n357306

    I tend to trust PCR on Neocons and monetary policy. Bin Laden is neither of those, of course.

  11. Hersh says:
    @Johnny F. Ive

    Why would we believe the bin Laden videos that kept coming out and that they came from “Al Qaeda” and not the US government or some other entity that wants war and war profits? The videos came through SITE Intel, run by Rita Katz, a woman whose father was killed in Iraq for being a spy for Israel, I believe. Its like a one woman shop but she (supposedly) gets all these videos by monitoring “social media.”

    She is also the source for ISIS videos and a lot of other videos of Muslims-behaving-badly that CNN et al show with the warning they are “graphic.” Even Fox News reported that the video of 7 ft ninja clad ISIS parading 5 ft Egyptian Christians to execution was a fake made with green screens. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/21/isis-army-7-footers-experts-say-video-copt-beheadings-manipulated/

    How do twitter, facebook, youtube become credible sources that justify killing children with bombs? Countries that don’t have the death penalty because they believe it is barbaric have dropped bombs on innocent Muslim children.

    All for the bizarre Pinky and The Brain scheme for Muslim World Domination that we’ve been told about for the last 14 years. They are trying to provoke us so that we attack them! What they really want is for the US to send boots on the ground so they can fight and defeat the US!

    Bin Laden denied any involvement in 9/11 but he did give 3 reasons for turning against the US and the West and none of them are world domination by provoking an attack on the US. (1) Israel’s abuse of Palestinians and US support for Israel; (2) Keeping US troops on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia after the first Iraq War in ’91; (3) Keeping sanctions on Iraq after the first Iraq War which killed over half a million Iraqis.

  12. Kiza says:

    What I liked the most in Hersh’s story is how a Pakistani doctor, a CIA asset, was sacrificed to create a cover for the ISI officers who sold bin Laden purely for money. CIA did not care that offering the vaccination doctor as a fall guy would create a backlash against vaccination in the (obviously subhuman) Pakistani population. How many children died of diseases because of this cover?

    If this episode is true, would it be hard to imagine that Osama bin Laden, also a used up CIA asset against the Russians in Afghanistan, has been simply a fall-guy for 911?

    Let us summarize: the US SEALS probably “killed” an already deceased guy (from kidney disease), who Bush blamed for 911 but did not want to chase and Obama needed for re-election; after “killing” they never produced a body of this person who used to be a CIA asset and probably had nothing to do with 911 except that he may have wished for something like that to happen.

    Thus “The Killing of bin Laden” becomes a continuation of an earlier semi-successful 911 deception.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  13. @Kiza

    would it be hard to imagine that Osama bin Laden, also a used up CIA asset against the Russians in Afghanistan, has been simply a fall-guy for 911?

    No, not hard at all:

    Excerpt

    In any of these hypothesis, Rudy Guiliani having located his disaster headquarters in WTC Building 7, is key. What’s almost certain is, Al-Qaida was a minor actor, a dupe and cover story, and was not primarily responsible for 9/11

    Read more

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    ^ It’s in part 2 (the analysis of subsequent events)

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Kiza
  14. jtgw says:

    Wait, PCR is saying bin Laden died in 2001?

  15. Hersh has an enviable record for exposing lies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hersh
  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Hersh has an enviable record for exposing lies.

    Yes, and I’m disappointed that PCR is questioning his research or his ability to sniff out the BS. I gotta go with Hersh. While I believe in propaganda and lies and distortion of the facts, I don’t believe in conspiracies in even minor events, let alone big ones like Bin Laden’s death.

    • Replies: @Wally
  17. ” I don’t believe in conspiracies in even minor events, let alone big ones like Bin Laden’s death.”

    What an absolute hoot:

    The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this…

    Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah…

    Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes…

    And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defense system the slip…

    Unphased by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely…

    Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two… and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically – through their own mass – at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

    Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground… only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI…

    …Meanwhile down in Washington…

    Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing…

    Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little…

    Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world’s most heavily defended building…

    …all without a single shot being fired…. or ruining the nicely mowed lawn… and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video…

    …Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania…

    So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later…

    And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants… except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana…

    …Further south in Florida…

    President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children… shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger…

    …In New York…

    World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously…

    While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the ‘New Pearl Harbor’ catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination…

    And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports…

    And if you don’t believe this bollocks:

    You are a conspiracy theorist.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  18. Mulegino1 says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Yes. All of the major American networks reported that Bin Laden had died and been buried in an undisclosed location in Tora Bora in mid December, 2001.

    In his last authentic video from October of 2001 Bin Laden appeared – according to then CNN medical expert Dr. Sanjay Gupta – to be suffering from the terminal stages of Marfan’s syndrome.

    Compare the pale, gaunt faced Bin Laden in that video with the phony Bin Ladens in those comical “Bin Laden” videos produced by SITE Intel, a Mossad front company. The SITE actors look more like Mitch Miller or Lamont Sanford and barely resemble the real Bin Laden.

    There is zero physical evidence – no body – no photographs except for the Photoshop composite of a dummy resembling Bin Laden inserted into a still from “Blackhawk Down” and another composite made with a photograph of the lower face and mouth of Bin Laden and the upper face and head of an unknown victim of a head shot.

  19. Mulegino1 says:
    @Bill Jones

    You’re absolutely correct.

    “Conspiracy theorist” is simply a term coined by the CIA and disseminated through its mainstream media operatives in the 1960’s to discredit those who engage in critical thinking with regards to official narratives – such as the Warren Commission’s “Oswald acted alone”.

    The official story of 9/11 is an absurd fantasy, fit only for low information infotainment consumers who get virtually all of their news and information from television or the local newspaper.

    Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of physics, and who chooses to look at the evidence knows that it’s false. It is impossible in the real world.

  20. Hersh says:
    @Fran Macadam

    A lot of people seem to want to believe Seymour Hersh. The original story is so ludicrous that Hersh coming up with a bit of a new wrinkle on it, but not much of a wrinkle, is very appealing, comforting even.

    Journalism 101, it seems to me, would have been to go to Pakistan and interview the people in the neighborhood. Seymour Hersh must have been aware that some of them spoke with reporters. Go talk to them and find out if they are credible. Its a residential neighborhood and there were a lot of people to talk to. Did they see people going in and out of the house in question over the period of years that “bin Laden” supposedly lived there?

    Rather than do something that basic, Seymour Hersh talks to his “sources” who tell him stories. Everything is stories. When theres a possibility of talking to some actual witnesses or following actual leads, that doesn’t happen. Interesting.

  21. Kiza says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Ronald, what a great write up that book review of yours is, thank you for linking.

    We can only speculate without hard evidence, but there is no good reason to believe virtually any official version of events and all good reasons to create our own most likely version. It appears that on the cui bono basis both you and I have concluded that 911 has most likely been a US-Israeli-Saudi operation. The US people involved were the government-behind-the-government Dick Chaney and the dual-citizenship neocons. Thermite employed came from the US defense stock. The team consisted of selected Mosad, pro-Israeli CIA and probably Bandar’s guys. The planes piloted by Bandar’s assets did fly into buildings, but the thermite brought them down. Bin Laden may have had a minor role or no-role at all, but he was selected as a fall-guy from the start (some bearded visual resemblance to Ayatollah Khomeini made him easier to villainise). Bin Laden has probably been dead for a while. The SEALS killed another tall Muslim fall-guy, who was sacrificed for Obama re-election, a guy chosen in cooperation between ISI and CIA. The CIA probably never had as much operational freedom as under Obama (torture, drones etc), thus “bin Laden” was a big “Thank You”.

    Hersh’s article is probably not 100% correct, but it is the most valiant effort to date to approach the truth. It is also a well-timed anti-Democrat piece, Hersh is a conduit.

  22. @hbr

    You are right. Obama doesn’t like Israel. That is why he keeps appointing dual citizen Israelis to high positions in the US government, keeps the welfare gravy train flowing to Israel and lets Israel loot prepositioned US military equipment. I wish he didn’t like me enough to send me 3 billion dollars, just once would be enough.

  23. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    “Yes, and I’m disappointed that PCR is questioning his research or his ability to sniff out the BS. I gotta go with Hersh. While I believe in propaganda and lies and distortion of the facts, I don’t believe in conspiracies in even minor events, let alone big ones like Bin Laden’s death.”

    Yet you accept the government’s bizarre and impossible conspiracy theories of 9/11 and the killing of bin Laden.

    “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

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