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Perhaps the most unusual feature of the Sandy Hook story is the large number of photographs that have been released in order to document the story. It is as if there is no event without the proof supplied by the photographs. This is unusual. When, for example, the FBI murdered approximately 100 men, women and children in the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, the reality of the victims did not have to be established with a large number of photos establishing that the victims were real people with real families. When workers “go postal” and shoot their coworkers, photos are not used to prove that those killed were real people with real families. When an airplane crashes, the event does not have to be verified with news coverage of grieving relatives.

Yet photos are a defining characteristic of Sandy Hook. It is almost like the photos are the event.

The importance of Sandy Hook photos is of concern when so many experts demonstrate that so many of the photos are photoshopped. Among the Sandy Hook photos are photos that are collages of separate photos that have been put together. Others have people inserted into photos. There are a large number of YouTube videos in which people knowledgeable about the techniques of photo alteration demonstrate problems with the photographs.

In response to links I provided to Jim Fetzer’s walk through of several events that have so many anomalies as to raise suspicions, I received emails from people who have the skills to analyze whether a photo is real or a construction.

Some of the explanations are too technical for an inexperienced person to follow, but the photos below are so problematic that expert explanations seem unnecessary.

This is a photo used to establish that the little girl on the right, a Sandy Hook victim, is a member of the Robbie Parker family. Notice that the two children on Robbie Parker’s lap do not appear to have legs. Possibly the white material under the torso of the little girl with her fingers in her mouth can be construed as her legs, but it looks like material draped across Parker’s thigh. I see no sign of legs for the child in the red jumper, and the purpose of the red material draped across Parker’s other thigh escapes me. It is as if the photo was lifted from a waist up photo of the two children and placed on Robbie Parker’s lap. Notice that Robbie Parkers hands seem to be inserted into his sleeves. Experts tell me that an enlarged version of the photo reveals a straight line between Robbie Parker and the Sandy Hook child victim and that this is a sign that the victim was photoshopped into the photograph.

If this is indeed Robbie Parker’s family, why would the family picture have to be a collage of photographs? Why use a fake photograph to establish the identity of a real family?

Robbie Parker Family

This is a photo used to establish the reality of one of the teachers allegedly killed in the Sandy Hook shooting. According to experts, there are many problems with this photo. Without going into any of them, notice that the shadow of the woman on the left falls to the southwest, but the shadow of the woman on the right falls to the southeast. This suggests the photo is a construction made from photos when the sun was in different positions in the sky. The shadows associated with the woman in yellow do not seem to relate to her, and the shadow in front of the standing man seems unrelated to him.

Sandy Hook Teacher

This photo is one of those used to establish the reality of Adam Lanza. It comes from a joint photo of Adam Lanza standing with his father. Experts tell me that this is a photoshopped photo. The left side of his upper body has been cut out to create the impression that he is leaning against the background, leaving his left hand disembodied. Notice his jeans. His left leg is far outside his left side body line and the jeans have to cut in sharply to connect with his waist line.

Adam Lanza

This photo is one used to indicate Sandy Hook school evacuation. There are several versions of this same photo with the same woman leading the children but with a different child at the head of the line. Other photos taken from further back show casually dressed adults who appear to be parents watching a drill exercise. The kids seem to be scowling or frowning from the bright sun, but the larger girl in blue appears to be upset. Notice that she is out of line, that the girl in white and pink behind her has her right hand on the girl in blue’s shoulder (experts say that the hand is “painted on”) and that there is a person wearing black pants between the two girls. How can this be? Experts say that the girl in the blue top was photoshopped into the photograph, perhaps to add the missing look of alarm.

Sandy Hook Evacuation

Here is a close-up in which you can clearly see the kid who is in between the two girls.

Sandy Hook Evacuation Closeup

To sum up. There are two questions. Was Sandy Hook a drill that was turned into a public hoax by the use of doctored photos in the interest of an agenda? If not, why are so many of the released photos used to establish the reality of the event photoshopped?

Why not instead produce the death certificates of the murdered children if not photos? Why not prove with utility bills, school bus routes, and other evidence that the school was in operation and not closed due to numerous problems that the school is claimed to have had?

ORDER IT NOW

Those unable to entertain suspicion of government always insist that someone would talk and expose the conspiracy. This insistence is extremely naive. Jobs and careers are at stake and by now everyone has learned the fate of whistleblowers. There are safer ways to talk. Just as the Soviet press developed ways for readers to read between the lines, perhaps the carelessly faked Sandy Hook photographs are an example of those drawn into a government conspiracy “talking” by doing a bad job of producing faked photographs in order to alert us to a hoax.

What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax. In place of evidence such as bodies, body bags, death certificates, we have what appear to be faked photographs. Why?

Possibly there are other explanations for the anomalies in the photographs. Regardless, Sandy Hook cannot be decided on the basis of photographs alone. The problem I have with the official story is that such a massive event would leave massive evidence, and we have been shown very little evidence. Why can’t we be allowed to see the evidence?

Moreover, the Connecticut government refused to release evidence that would confirm that the shootings did take place. As far as I can tell from an Internet search, the children’s death certificates have never been released to the public. How can this be a privacy issue when the names and photographs of the murdered children are released? State authorities had to be ordered by a judge to release even the 911 calls to the police about the event. Here is a New York Times report:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/27/nyregion/judge-orders-release-of-sandy-hook-911-recordings.html?_r=0

The best way to avoid conspiracy theories is to do real investigations and to release real evidence. After all the serious lies we have been told, governments cannot expect us to simply be satisfied with their word for it.

If you look at the recent shootings and terror events, one cannot avoid the impression that scripted stories are instantly set in stone in the media prior to any investigation. The explanation comes first and takes the place of investigation.

Perhaps the evidence exists and we are not shown it because the government is training us to accept that truth is what the government says, so evidence is not necessary to support the story. In other words, government might be eliminating the belief that truth exists independently of government’s statements and can be in conflict with them.

Orwell’s 1984 is more prescient than farfetched, so we cannot dismiss this possibility.

 

NOTE: A reader brought to my attention this FBI site, which reports no murders in Newtown,
Connecticut in 2012. The FBI is reported to have been on the Sandy Hook case and surely is aware of the reported murders. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_connecticut_by_city_2012.xls
According to Snopes, the “record keeping anomaly” stems from the murders being included in Connecticut state police records under statewide totals and not under Newtown. This does not explain why other murders are attributed to the towns in which they occurred. It hardly seems appropriate for Snopes to blame “conspiracy theorists” for the FBI’s failure to account for the Sandy Hook murders in its murder report for Connecticut. Is Snopes saying that those who notice anomalies should stay quiet about them? Raising questions is not a conspiracy theory. Many more questions should have been raised about Saddam Hussein’s alleged WMD,
Assad’s alleged “use of chemical weapons,” alleged “Iranian nukes,” Tonkin Gulf, etc.

(Republished from PaulCraigRoberts.org by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. What a shame. I used to think that Paul Craig Roberts was a serious person. Now I know he is another Sandy Hook truther nut case. Disgusting.

  2. pyrrhus says:
    @Adolf Verloc

    So what’s your explanation for all these crudely photoshopped “photos”? Even the Palestinians do better work than this….

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @bondo
  3. The anomalies of the Sandy Hook events are so numerous and multifaceted as to defy any quick summation. Several longform, comprehensive video essays such as Sofia Smallstorm’s are recommended, but there are perhaps many more brief clips which provide, quite on their own, the sort of horrifying gut-check moment of recognition that tells you we have indeed gone down the rabbit hole:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKr-av9jVx8

  4. I think the CIA put a microchip in James Tracy’s brain so he would go around discrediting easily discreditable people.

    Ever notice how the word ‘Waco’ looks a lot like ‘Wacko’? And how there’s an extra space in the last sentence between the word ‘word’ and the word ‘Waco’?

    And the living kids all look lizardlike. But so do all kids.

    Cui bono in this case? Cui cares?

  5. utu says:

    I would not go there if I were Paul Craig Roberts? I personally go there but I am nobody so I can afford it.

  6. I know people who live in Sandy Hook. It happened. Their friends and neighbors lost kids. People were killed and bloody bodies were left on the floor. Those bodies were buried in local cemeteries.

    Paul Craig Roberts is not only a disinformation hack, he is downright offensive.

    (But then again, Mr. Roberts, you don’t know if I’m real either do you? Let that thought worm it’s way into your delusional mind.)

  7. Wally says:
    @Adolf Verloc

    Then please actually show us your proof of the alleged murders.

    We’re waiting patiently.

  8. owly says:
    @Adolf Verloc

    Where does he say it’s a hoax? He’s asking valid questions and explicitly framing them as such.

    There are a lot of problems with the Sandy Hook story. Personally, I wonder what the story is behind the chase in the woods, especially since police audio from the incident indicates more than one active shooter.

  9. le biel says:

    Glad to see this getting some attention.

  10. Mr. Anon says:
    @Adolf Verloc

    I gave up paying any attention to Roberts years ago. He subscribes to any and every ridiculous conspiracy theory there is. People who believe this kind of nonsense seem to buy into it entirely. In for a penny, in for a pound. Now he is citing the same sort of nameless “experts” who misinterperet photos of the moon landings. There is nothing wrong with any of the photos above.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @interesting
  11. AKAHorace says:

    I think that you are insane. But I am glad that the unz review provides you with an opportunity to express your views. If the authorities could commit such lies what would stop them from murdering children ? The political gains for anti gun laws was minimal.

    Do you think that they are evil enough to lie like this but not so evil as to kill many children ? Please clarify.

  12. AKAHorace says:

    Wouldn’t it be easier to fake a death certificate than a photograph ?

  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This speculation is no different than the one that has the Mayan gods as extraterrestrials traveling interstellar space in a Mercury 7 capsule. I’ll now inform the many friends and family of the slain schoolteacher we all knew that it is all a hoax and she really is (insert favorite moonbat theory) by the authorities.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  14. EdwardM says:

    What would be the motive for such a massive — and, you claim, ineptly implemented — conspiracy? A rather heavy-handed gambit to deal with the “numerous problems that the school is claimed to have had”? (A non sequitur.) A false flag to get the people to support more gun control? (Pretty ineffective.) Murdering the children to cover up some other crime, like that they all were being sexually abused by one of the dead teachers? (Why not.)

    A drill gone bad? Seems like a stretch. A simpler explanation might be that the photos, if indeed they are doctored — which this article hardly demonstrates convincingly — are efforts by people to get on the victim bandwagon, which everyone in America is so excited to do nowadays.

    Most readers here would not be surprised to hear of government incompetence or media gullibility and complicity in government manipulation. But, in this particular case, to what end?

  15. Kyle a says:

    Great read. Unfortunate I can’t throw my iPad in the waste bin after reading this blog post, but it’s my only online article reader.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Adolf….tried & true disinfo agent? None so blind than those that refuse to view the actual evidence!

  17. Kiza says:

    It is truly surprising how poor these Photosop jobs are. I am not a Photoshop professional, I can just use it for basic retouches, but I would have done a much, much better job. My conclusion about the reasons for this is different then PCR’s: the government employees always feel that they are underpaid and usually do a lowest quality job possible. What stands out in all these photos is that they were quick jobs, not careful jobs, maybe it was getting close to 5pm and the Photoshop “expert” was getting ready to go home.

    But the main point of all this is that the government propaganda had metastasised itself into a simple “trust us because we are your government, whatever we do we do it for you – for your benefit (for example, we want to take your guns away for your own benefit); do not ask any questions because you can’t handle the truth”.

  18. DaveE says:

    Yep. Jim Fetzer has done a fantastic job of exposing YET ANOTHER layer of yet another attempt to implement the zionist /bolshevik / Jewish agenda to take over the world. FINALLY.

    Yhwy’s kids are WAY behind schedule, you know.

    I mean, we got it already. But unlike the poor peasants of Russia that went to the gulags, WE are gonna fight back.

    You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

    Thanks PCR for calling attention to Fetzer’s groundbreaking work.

  19. Even a nutter like PCR must know that elementary decency, not just credibility, requires him to do a little more evidence gathering than just talking to a few people who know a bit more about photoshopping than he does.

    1. His piece has point if some doubt is raised about the basic story of (from memory) an ex student called Adam Lanza going to the school and killing people with a gun. So, instead of idly publishing a brain fart which could exacerbate the grief and trauma of the people affected could he not bring himself to behave like any self-respecting journalist and make at least a long weekend trip to the Sandy Hook neighbourhood to talk to people and view their original family photographs and even some death certificates? If that courtesy to readers and the bereaved was too much might he not have managed Skype video calls or even the old-fashioned telephone call supplemented by some email or even snail mail correspondence. This isn’t even the beginning of investigative reporting but armchair fantasising because….

    2. Apart from all the reasons why people may want to photoshop pictures for a variety of easily imaginable individual motives PCR hasn’t even established that the phenomenon of photoshop use that he is reporting on is even very unusual.

    • Replies: @David
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  20. It seems photoshop but are just ghosts.

    Schoppenhauer was right about the ”leftists”, they are the masters of manipulation and lies.

  21. The photos are Photoshopped. If you ask why you are a nutter. Got it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    When I got switched onto the massive disinformation campaigns run by the MSM notably over 9/11 5 years ago, I suspected Sandy Hook was an elaborate disinformation scam designed to discredit the likes of PCR and Jim Fetzer. For example one thing that stood out in the conspiracy claims was the somewhat indirect evidence that the school had not been operational from 2008 (the lack of internet activity) rather than direct evidence about whether there was an actual working school (budgets, school ceremonies etc).

    I cant still say I am 100% sure but over time I have come to believe in the likelihood that Sandy Hook for its sheer outrageous daring is as great a scam as any. For one thing the Conspiracy Truthers have not made allegations about any other kind of mass school or college shootings. Second it strikes me that the authorities could easily produce mountains of evidence to discredit the Truthers along the lines indicated above that Sandy Hook was a real working school with real pupils. Instead they are silent. Third the pictures above of the evacuation (and they were published as ‘official pictures’ by the local newspaper) do not show the sense of mass panic that would have really been the case if there had been a real shooting incident involving 26 killings in a matter of a few minutes. There is another picture from a wider angle which shows security staff actually watching the ‘evacuation’ with arms crossed. Is this credible? I think not. There are many other reasons – the reactions of the ‘parents’ and the medical coroner, the fact that the authorities seem to mistaken the Lanza’s house, as well as the usual destruction of evidence. ‘We need to talk about Sandy Hook’ on You Tube is a good place to look at a lot of the evidence that it was fraudulent.

    As for why the parents may have participated in this scam (if indeed it was), as I read many of them have formed charities and overall around 45 million dollars have been collected. Greed alas is always a motivator.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  23. David says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Well put.

    PCR’s problem is that he has no organizing principle to offer. If he did — I mean one that would inspire greatness in himself and others — morality would be a part of it.

  24. Dr. X says:

    There are two questions. Was Sandy Hook a drill that was turned into a public hoax by the use of doctored photos in the interest of an agenda? If not, why are so many of the released photos used to establish the reality of the event photoshopped?

    I believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was real. However, like the Reichstag fire, a real event became a perfect propaganda tool enabling the government to accomplish a pre-existing agenda, namely, massive gun control.

    And for those of you who think that Sandy Hook-inspired gun control failed, think again. New York and Connecticut have completely, entirely, and forever banned the sale or transfer of AR-15s and just about every other military-pattern rifle issued in the past sixty years or so. Similarly all magazines of 10 rounds or more are entirely banned. None are grandfathered. New York requires any doctor or nurse to secretly tell police to confiscate your firearms if they think you are unfit to have them. No appeal or due process is allowed, and the law forbids suing the medical practitioner. New York even requires police to keep a lifetime database of your ammunition purchases, although they haven’t come up with a way to implement it — yet. All of this has been upheld in the courts.

    Sandy Hook has also inspired H.R. 4269, with 128 Democratic sponsors, a national assault-weapons ban. Surely the next Democrat-controlled Congress will pass it.

    All of this was accomplished on the pretext of Sandy Hook. Far more people (87) were murdered by an arsonist with a gallon of gasoline in the Happy Land Social Club fire in 1990, but they didn’t ban gasoline, did they?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  25. I might suggest some of you conspiracy-deniers go walk around the school to get a feel for the scene of the crime, but the authorities had the place torn down and the debris further shredded, ostensibly to prevent souvenir collecting, which ignoring whether it is conspiracy-theory or conspiracy-fact tells you something about what TPTB think of their fellow citizens at so many levels.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  26. AndrewR says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I can understand how a rabid insistence that Sandy Hook was a hoax could be offensive to people connected to the tragedy.

    But people like you who are within a degree or two of separation from Sandy Hook, CT make up a tiny fraction of the US. Those of us who are outraged by the opportunistic response of the federal government to this incident outnumber you many times over.

    It’s a lot like the holocaust or climate change. Personally I don’t deny that these things happened/are happening, but I absolutely detest how the left has exploited these things to push their agenda. So I’m sympathetic to the outright deniers because, at least in their minds, the only way to stop the leftist agenda is to deny the very basis from which the leftist agenda flows (as opposed to accepting the basic facts and merely disputing what the proper responses are).

    So while I do think Sandy Hook happened I think you shouldn’t be so quick to judge the conspiracy theorists.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wizard of Oz
  27. Old fogey says:

    It is amazing the amount of vitriol that can be elicited by asking a few pointed questions. Please continue trying to find the truth, Mr. Roberts. I thank you for your persistence and your courage. May God help us all.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  28. Interesting. Can’t comment pro or con in as much as I don’t know enough about it, though I do recall being very surprised and not a bit mystified when I heard that they were tearing down the school.

  29. Rehmat says:

    Denial of Sandy Hook “official story” has become as much ‘antisemitism’ as denial of the “official stories” of JFK assassination and the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

    One of these “deniers” chased by the Organized Jewry is US academic and author James Tracy.

    On December 10, 2015, Lenny and Veronique Pozner in an Op-Ed at Sun Sentinel called professor James Tracy (Florida Atlantic University) a ‘conspiracy theorist’ for questioning the official story of Sandy Hook School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. The couple’s 6-year-old son Noah Pozner allegedly died as result of shooting on December 14, 2012. While commemorating third anniversary of their child, the couple demanded that Tracy should be removed from his post at FAU.

    However, it seems, Noah Pozner, was also among the 137 students killed at the hands of foreign terrorists who attacked a military-run school in Peshawar in Pakistan on December 16, 2014.

    Canadian professor Anthony James Hall (University of Lethbridge) explains below various false flag terrorist events to demonize Muslims and Islam to benefit Israel’s ‘War on Islam’.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/13/noah-pozner-us-jewish-boy-who-died-twice/

    • Replies: @Sherman
  30. It is mind bending to even contemplate that this could be a hoax. However, once you understand that the government is lying about 911, pretty much everything they say is suspect.

    Is PCR saying that there is no list of the deceased? How is this possible? Shouldn’t there be an inquest with public records available to the Press? This should be easy to corroborate one way or the other. There should be a mountain of evidence. For example, every murder requires an autopsy, as far as I know.

    I don’t need to see it, but someone does.

  31. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Now why would anyone doubt what Big Brother, uh, I mean the government has to say about SH?

    When’s the last time Obama told the truth about anything?

    Or HRM Hillary?

    Or John McCain? Or those TBTF Wall Street banks we always get to bail out?

    Yes, only idjuts believe in conspiracies.

  32. Rob McX says:

    I don’t know what it did to gun laws, but it seems the sales of tinfoil shot up after the Sandy Hook massacre.

    Go to YouTube and type in the name of any multiple killing, e.g. “hesston kansas shooting” and see what comes up. The add the word “hoax” to that, and you’re guaranteed to get as many more hits again.

  33. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    “It’s a lot like the holocaust or climate change. Personally I don’t deny that these things happened/are happening”

    The ‘holocau$t narrative is impossible. There was no ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.
    I mean the entire storyline is laughable. It’s the most absurd conspiracy theory ever.

    Also note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.
    http://www.codoh.com

    As for climate change; climate has always changed, always will.
    Recall Climategate, doctored data, failed models, refusal to hand over claimed data, etc.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    My guess is that there was a rush to get suitable photos ready for various news outlets. The editors needed pictures of all-American families, and pictures of scared kids escaping the carnage.

    We don’t have a nice family photo of beautiful smiling people? One that will really tug the heartstrings? Why the hell not? Parker! Put me one together right now!

    The children hiding elsewhere in the building could plausibly have been confused, rather than scared. Hence the need to photoshop the scared girl into the crocodile line. It makes for a better photo.

    In most cases this kind of editorial photoshop trickery would go unnoticed and unremarked. The emotional effect on the readers and viewers would have been accomplished, and everyone involved would get busy with the next story.

    However with a story like this, the photos are pored over, and the hasty cut and pastes give credence to theories that may not otherwise hold up.

  35. Sherman says:
    @Rehmat

    Hey Homer

    I think all that radiation you’ve been exposed to from your nuclear engineering job has damaged your brain beyond repair.

    Sherm

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  36. @Mr. Anon

    The shadows in the shore photo are wrong. You cannot deny that. What it means, I don’t know. I haven’t paid any attention. But that photo at the shore is a composite. Undeniable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mr. Anon
  37. re: the shadows on the rocks

    The shadows are consistent with the sun being slightly west of the middle woman.

    Because of the central position of the sun, some shadows go southwest, some go southeast. Nothing unusual. The various angled sloping rock faces also distort the shadows, making them harder to comprehend.

    See this photo of the sun casting shadows on palm trees:

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @vinteuil
  38. AndrewR says:
    @Wally

    First time I’ve seen the holocaust called a “conspiracy theory.” Bravo.

    • Replies: @Wally
  39. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Paul Craig Roberts is a very evil creature. The standard of evidence he demands is for the Parents of Sandy Hook dead children to have their children’s embalmed bodies exhumed…strip off the clothing the were buried in to identify bullet holes. This off course would all have to be videotaped and shown to Paul Craig Roberts for his personal viewing….and even then he would scream:COVER UP!!!!!!!

    All I can say is:ROT IN HELL PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think we are dealing with necrophilliacs…..

  40. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One problem is that everything is spun these days thus eroding everyone’s sense of trust. There’s a lot of people being paid to twist things in pursuit of some goal so people wonder what’s real and what isn’t. Take the case of Jessica Lynch. She and the others were in an actual ambush where people were killed and wounded and she herself was injured and ended up in an Iraqi hospital. That itself was real. However, her ‘rescue’ was accompanied by cameramen and the whole thing was to be exploited as a propaganda event. They were trying to create the legend of Jessica Lynch, a woman soldier who emptied her clips at the enemy (she didn’t, her gun jammed) and went down fighting. Later she was being tortured by bad Iraqis at the hospital and even being raped (she wasn’t, the Iraqi staff took care of her). This was an opportunity to create a fictitious heroine out of the glum reality of what actually happened. She could have served as a recruitment poster and even been the subject of a Hollywood movie had she played along. However, she was too honest and simply told the truth of what happened, taking the air out of the propaganda balloon. One can see from this that there were people at the ready to jump into action to lie and twist things so as to bamboozle the public. Furthermore, the truth was that she was from a poor family and joining the military was an economic decision based on a lack of choices; she didn’t think she’d end up in any war. There wasn’t this razzmatazz of flag waving or idea of dying for one’s country. The reality was less than glamorous and we wouldn’t have heard about it except that the attempted spin fizzled out.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Rich
  41. Wow there are more trolls posting comments here than you find in a week of inspecting under bridges. Funny thing that — some bridges tolls get paid, some trolls get paid without bridges.

    Handy Snook.

    Watching the CNN clip posted above as the gentleman gets into character when he thinks the tally light is about to go on… gee after he held two legless toddlers on his lap (viz Paul’s article), no wonder he was so blase about a bit of infanticide and could laugh at the knock-knock joke he was told before exiting the building….

    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Mostly the fools.

    • Agree: edNels
  42. @Adolf Verloc

    Are you saying to not ask questions, especially when seeing something that’s wrong?

    Nice buzz words too. If he’s wrong, refute. If you can’t, dont say anything.

  43. RudyM says:

    More in-depth discussions of Sandy Hook are available online. The book James Fetzer edited, which was pulled by Amazon.com, is available for free download here. Some contributions are better than others (Dennis Camino’s, in particular, indulges in a lot of unnecessary idiosyncrasies):

    http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook_final.pdf

    Inconsistencies in what is “known” about Adam Lanza are discussed in The Life of Adam, without, or mostly without, any larger claims about Sandy Hook (e.g., whether it was a hoax, whether children were murdered but not by Lanza, etc.). I would say the documentary does not require a lot of sympathy for Sandy Hook conspiracy theories in order to be appreciated:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0tnYfBfzB0

    By the same crew, We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k

    Anyone who has recognized 9/11 for the false flag it was should be able to consider the evidence that Sandy Hook was a hoax.

  44. @Buzz Mohawk

    I know someone who’s “brother was involved” in Sandy Hook. Saw his mass card and everything. Then when I found out about the conspiracy behind it, I almost immediately stopped believing the story.

    Once enough evidence piles up, there’s no more belief suspension that can happen. Sandy Hook was a psyop.

  45. @Charles Tunata

    Thanks, that makes some sense.

  46. manton says:

    Can someone illuminate an important question?

    Is the claim here that the names of the kids were real, but that none of them were killed? Or that the list of the “dead” was entirely made up?

    If #1, what was done with all the actual, but non-dead, kids? Sent to live with relatives? Local governments, school district, coroners, police, funeral parlors, cemeteries, etc. all in on it?

    If #2, wouldn’t a simple investigation establish that the 20 alleged child victims never existed? Otherwise, 20 phony “lives” would have to be established–a very tricky thing. You’d have to plant 20 phony birth certificates, school records, immunizations, outside activities, plus all the photos. These allegedly fake pictures are literally the ONLY ones of 20 kids born on the digital camera age? Don’t their parents–like all modern middle class parents–have literally tens of thousands of pictures (and video) all digitally dated? All of that is fake too, or does it not exist. And, as with #1, the number of people who would have had to be “in on it” is vast.

    I think I would behoove Unz to offer some sort of explanation of why he publishes this lunatic.

  47. Dr. X says:
    @anonymous

    One problem is that everything is spun these days thus eroding everyone’s sense of trust. There’s a lot of people being paid to twist things in pursuit of some goal so people wonder what’s real and what isn’t.

    Correct. Conspiracies actually exist, but they are rare and almost always within a very tightly-controlled chain of command with security clearances and so forth. For instance, when the Air Force accidentally dropped a nuke in a North Carolina tobacco field in the 1950s, and then lost two nuclear missiles over the Straits of Gibraltar, the official story was “nothing to see here, folks, just a bit of training.” Even then, the truth of what happened eventually got out.

    More frequently, we are not so much dealing with conspiracies, but rather with agendas, and people with agendas play up or play down certain events according to how well they fit the agenda’s narrative for propaganda purposes. There are numerous examples — take the case of Bowe Bergdahl, who the White House played up as a hero and a POW when in fact he was a traitor and deserter. Or the case of the White House lying about the Youtube video to cover Benghazi. There was indeed an actual video, but it was used out of context and given false importance for propaganda use.

    Another interesting use of events for propaganda is the mysterious death of bin Laden. Fit quite nicely into the 2012 re-election narrative. We haven’t heard from Mr. bin Laden in 15 years or so now, so I’m sure he is actually dead, but did it happen they way they told us it did? No concrete proof has ever been made public, no autopsy, no Congressional investigation, no photos of the corpse or supposedly Islamic burial-at-sea.

    • Replies: @manton
    , @Rurik
  48. Rehmat says:
    @Sherman

    Hi Sharon – we Canadian didn’t steal high bomb-grade nuclear fuel from America. It was your Jewish uncle Dr. Zalman Shapiro, former head of NUMEC.

    In its March-April 2010 issue, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (a magazine founded by Russian-born American Jewish biophysicist, Eugene Rabinowitch) had reported that “741 pounds of highly enriched uranium suitable for weapons production disappeared from NUMEC while Shapiro was president and was likely diverted into the Israeli nuclear weapons program”.

    https://rehmat1.com/2011/01/10/us-award-for-stealing-bomb-grade-uranium-for-israel/

    • Replies: @Sherman
  49. Art says:
    @pyrrhus

    So what’s your explanation for all these crudely photoshopped “photos”? Even the Palestinians do better work than this…

    Oh yes – we can always count on the Jew criminal element to sneak in some hate propaganda against the poor beleaguered Palestinian people.

    The Jew are always in your face with some hate or the other.

  50. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    A scientifically impossible one at that.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  51. Sean says:

    Sandy Hook was a massacre by a clearly disturbed young man allowed easy access to firearms by his mother, despite some very ominous behavior .

    Sadly, the reported news of big story real events invariably contains contradictory information and fabricated quotes ect, because journalists are in a competitive field and under pressure. Faking of photos should surprise no one.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  52. Agent76 says:

    Jan 12, 2015 We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook – NEW 2015 Documentary

    Independent Media Solidarity is a loose knit group of independent journalists that have come together to tackle the issue of Sandy Hook. We are normal people with normal lives, who have families, children, and jobs. Although many of us haven’t physically met each other, we are united. All we seek are answers to the many inconsistencies. But most importantly, we just want the truth made available to all who might seek it. Over the past 2 years, efforts to explain and expose the Sandy Hook event may seem to have slowed down. We never slowed down.

    https://youtu.be/oD0z275nQnM

  53. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    In fact it’s easily deniable. The shadows are not all on a single flat surface. The rocks have surfaces at a variety of angles. So each shadow appears to be coming from a different light source. But that’s only because of the location of the camera, the light source (the sun), and the planes of the various surfaces.

    You can easily prove this for yourself with any camera, a sunny day, and some tall straight trees, or even a picket fence. As long as the ground is uneven, you’ll see in your photos that the shadows of the fence posts or trees are not straight lines. And if you select any short section, and compare it with another short section, where the two sections are on ground at a different plane or angle, the shadows in those short sections will appear to be pointing in different directions. Think of these short sections of ground as analogous to the rocks in the photo along the shore, each being relatively small compared with the total length of any shadows from the people.

    Note that if you place the camera close to the ground, and close to a part of the shadow, pointing towards the object casting the shadow, the apparent changes of direction of the shadow disappear. Hmm. I wonder why? Perhaps a conspiracy? 😉

    This claim by Roberts is identical to claims made by people insisting that NASA’s published photos of astronauts on the moon had to have been faked because shadows run along different directions. They even claim that there were multiple light sources used to illuminate the “Hollywood set”. But it’s all nonsense, and anyone can prove it for themselves, if you’re willing to spend a few minutes on a sunny day.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @TomSchmidt
  54. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website

    Nothing new about faked photos as pointed out by PCR. Forgeries have and do happen all the time.

    See typical fake ‘holocau$t’ photos, forged and / or miscaptioned by anyone to say whatever they wanted.

    The Fake Photograph Problem
    By Udo Walendy
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1925/

    examples, please compare this classic:
    with the enlarged incredible spaghetti people:
    ‘holocaust’ Revisionists are just the messengers, the laughably absurd impossibility of the storyline is the message.

    And why do so many people want 6M Jews dead? We don’t.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  55. Mr. Anon says:
    @TomSchmidt

    “The shadows in the shore photo are wrong. You cannot deny that.”

    They are not wong. I can deny it, and I do.

    Shadows cast on differently sloped surfaces look different.

    “But that photo at the shore is a composite. Undeniable.”

    Nonsense.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  56. Mr. Anon says:
    @pyrrhus

    “So what’s your explanation for all these crudely photoshopped “photos”? Even the Palestinians do better work than this….”

    They are not photoshopped, let alone crudely photoshopped. They are ordinary pictures. If you had come across those pictures, in any other context, not knowing who those people are, you would not have seen anything amiss in them.

    And why is it that all these conspirators, to whom the gullible ascribe nearly God-like powers, always make “crudely photo-shopped” pictures. Surely they can afford the best. Why did the FBI – presumably in on the whole deal – forget to list the murders on their website.

    Conspiratards have a funny view of “Them” – they are both omnipotent and omnicient, as well as hackey and inept.

  57. Art says:

    Have you ever gone to a funeral and heard nothing but good things about the deceased — all the time knowing what a total bastard the guy was?

    People embellish the good about the dead – they make things up – it is human nature. People want happy family memories.

    These family Sandy Hook photos are photo shopped because they can be – because they make people feel good.

  58. manton says:
    @Dr. X

    There’s also another very high yield bomb that was ditched into the Atlantic east of Savannah. That one was never found.

  59. Mr. Anon says:
    @WorkingClass

    “The photos are Photoshopped. If you ask why you are a nutter. Got it.”

    And if you dispute that they are photoshopped then you are a sheep, a shill, a part of the conspiracy, etc.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  60. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous

    “There’s a lot of people being paid to twist things in pursuit of some goal so people wonder what’s real and what isn’t.”

    That’s true. So people doing the same thing for free, like Mr. Roberts is doing here, doesn’t help. Conspiracy theorists have helped to undermine the idea that there even is such a thing as “the truth”. They might as well be Frankfurt School theoreticians for all the good they have done.

  61. @Wally

    The thing about a conspiracy is that they are famously leaky things. Whistle blowers inevitably emerge who admit their complicity in staging events. This happened with the Holocaust. Ultimately, several conspirators admitted their complicity.

    BobbyBeGood says that the Holocaust is a conspiracy theory. However, whether he knows it or not, he is implying that the “creation” of the Holocaust must be a conspiracy. My simple question, thus, would be who the whistle blowers are.

    • Replies: @Wally
  62. @Wally

    What does Roberts’s article have to do with the Holocaust? You are clearly spamming at this point.

    • Replies: @Wally
  63. Sherman says:
    @Rehmat

    Hey Homer

    “We Canadian”

    I’m sure Canadians are ecstatic to have your kind living among them.

    Sherm

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  64. Rurik says:
    @Dr. X

    people with agendas play up or play down certain events according to how well they fit the agenda’s narrative for propaganda purposes.

    yes, but when there’s a dearth of events (school shootings) to take advantage of to foist Obama’s and the fecal government’s well known by now agenda to disarm America, they have to make due, like the lies about Jessica Lynch. We all know by now that our fecal government/msm lies about everything. They lied about Fast and Furious. They lied about 911. They lied about WMD. They lied about Osama. They lied about Pat Tillman. They lie every time they talk. Like the lies about Putin shooting down MH17 or the lies about the “moderate” Syrian “rebels” or the lies about Gadhafi or the lies about Benghazi or the lies about Ukraine or the lies they’re telling today and the lies they will tell tomorrow. And then they’ll tell lies about the lies they told and the lies they’re telling. With more lies.

    And nobody but an idiot or a liar would or could believe them by now. (Well, in fairness to the shills and liars here trying in impugn PCR, they don’t actually believe the lies, they just pretend to. ; )

    I don’t know too much about Sandy Hook in particular, but will this government Photoshop pictures like the dead “Osama”?

    http://hotterthanapileofcurry.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-death-picture.jpg%3Fw%3D500%26h%3D271

    that came out right on the heels of this gem:

    then they admit that the whole thing was a lie, but we’re supposed to believe them all the rest of the time! It’s not like they would ever lie! They’re our leaders for crying out loud!

    fact he was a traitor and deserter

    I don’t think so. Rather as I understand it he was more like Pat Tillman, and had come to the transformational realization that the wars were based on lies, and that his psychopathic and murderous superiors in his chain of command were advocating war crimes and the murder of innocent people. And his problem is that he had a problem with that. And could no longer participate in the wholesale slaughter of innocent people based on the lies and treachery of his own criminal government and military.
    Kind of like that other soldier who gave evidence of war crimes committed by American troops.

    Imagine this is your colleague in the military, and he’s having some of the fun he’s describing here, and your superior is all cool with it all, and even encourages it. What do you do?

    Personally I think I’d machine gun the whole lot of em. But Bergdahl simply walked. Traumatized and zombeised by the sheer banality of evil I suppose..

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  65. hbm says:
    @Adolf Verloc

    PCR has got some profound mental illness that sits alongside the reasonable parts, and he has for as long as I’ve listened to him, which is about a decade. I find him compelling on Neocons and the Banks– he is dead right about them (and about Russia, when he doesn’t go full Politburo agitprop), but this schizotypal Internet conspiracy theory stuff he indulges in reveals him to not be completely right in the head.

    Like several PCR outlets, I thought Unz rejected PCR submissions when he put out this wretched tinfoiler stuff?

    Bonus: that officials kept quiet information about dead children because they didn’t want basement-dwelling schizotypal vultures using their corpses to spin conspiracy theories for some entertainment in their wretched little lives is of course itself proof of the conspiracy in the minds of said vultures.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Richard S
  66. vinteuil says:
    @Charles Tunata

    Game, set, match to Pixels.

  67. Rurik says:
    @hbm

    Hey hbm,

    I’m just curious..

    do you think that our government and media would never lie about such a thing, or that they just didn’t in this case?

    IOW do you agree that they lied about proof of Saddam’s WMD, (or some other well known lie) but in this case clearly they are not lying?

    or are you saying it’s tinfoil hat stuff to ever think they would lie, period?

  68. Ximenes says:

    Why fake a shooting when it is so much easier to identify and recruit a nutcase to do the real thing for you? Columbine and Aurora happened. But the evidence is that the shooters were assisted. Saying that Sandy Hook was faked reminds me of my 9/11 research, where some folks tried to say the planes and hijackings were faked. My own conclusion was that the flights were hijacked by real people, but those people were not who the official story says they were.

  69. Richard S says:
    @hbm

    Yeah, this article is disgraceful nonsense

  70. vinteuil says:
    @Anonymous

    Trifles light as air
    Are to Paul Craig Roberts confirmations strong
    As proofs of holy writ.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  71. @Anonymous

    Thank you for the lengthy explanation. It backs up what commenter Pixels wrote about, and his link to a photo of th effect you describe. I never noticed it before, and won’t mistake it again.

  72. @Mr. Anon

    No one said they were Wong! commenter Pixels wrote , and his link to a photo of the effect is clear. You could be, too.

    There does appear to be a vertical line in the same photo, with the girl on the left on a light-colored rock, but that could be the angle of the shot.

    I cannot imagine that Sandy Hook was a hoax, still.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Mr. Anon
  73. Keith says:

    “Just as the Soviet press developed ways for readers to read between the lines, perhaps the carelessly faked Sandy Hook photographs are an example of those drawn into a government conspiracy “talking” by doing a bad job of producing faked photographs in order to alert us to a hoax.

    What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax. In place of evidence such as bodies, body bags, death certificates, we have what appear to be faked photographs. Why?”

    I think this sums it up nicely. I think it is also pretty interesting that the reason for the shoddy work was a way to blow the whistle, as it were. As a life long govt employee, the one thing I know, as well as co-workers, is never ever blow the whistle or talk to the press. So this is an interesting way to protest. There are many questions. There was even a book written about the event alleging it was a fraud that was banned on Amazon. You can also get a PDF of the book at the site, as well. http://naturalnews.com/052081_Amazon_censorship_online_book_burning_Nobody_Died_at_Sandy_Hook.html#

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  74. @Mr. Anon

    I didn’t say that. You said that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, if one wanted mass shootings of school children so as to provide a pretext for disarming the populous, it is simple. Simply pass a law legally prohibiting the adults in a school from protecting the children, you could call it the “Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990”, then wait for the occasional nut-case.
    On the other hand, if Obama had been waiting for four long years for the nut-case of his tenure, who knows?

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I personally know someone whose daughter was murdered at Sandy Hook.

    You’re a fraud and this kind of post is way beyond shameful.

    • Replies: @Dave
  77. Rehmat says:
    @Sherman

    In 2014, B’nai B’rith Canada, accused four millions of “We Canadian” of hating you Jews!!

    B’nai Brith put a pull-page advertisement in Sir Conrad Black (Canada-UK Jewish dual citizen) owned Canada’s top anti-Muslim newspaper National Post, claiming that 4 million (Muslims, Christians, Hindus and Sikh) Canadians are afflicted with anti-Semite disease.

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/07/07/bnai-brith-canada-four-million-canadians-hate-jews/

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  78. Rich says:
    @anonymous

    Actually, Jessica Lynch revealed in her authorized biography that she was raped.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  79. Paul H says:

    Sandy Hook and Aurora “mass killings” not acknowledged in FBI database
    FBI officials say the Connecticut State Police and Aurora police departments initially provided the information on the year’s two largest killing incidents – only to request that it be deleted.
    “We checked our records and found that all data related to the theater shooting was submitted,” he said, adding that investigators were still trying to figure out why the incident was later deleted from FBI records.

    # Connecticut
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_connecticut_by_city_2012.xls

    # FBI REPORT: NO DEATHS AT SANDY HOOK: WAS EXERCISE, MISREPORTED, CREATED CRISIS
    In a shocking report released this week, the FBI is admitting that the 2012 Sandy Hook School shooting was not a shooting at all. It was an exercise that local media misreported on, and then government officials perpetuated the hoax in hopes of bringing about gun control legislation.
    Government officials at the highest levels began giving orders to ensure that it was treated as a real event and not the training exercise it actually was.
    Remember, former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel stated that he wasn’t going to let any crisis go to waste.
    According to the FBI’s own data, the White House appears to have manufactured a crisis. And they were just caught red-handed.
    http://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/

    # FBI SAYS NO ONE KILLED AT SANDY HOOK
    Agency publishes crime report showing “0” murders occurred in Newtown in 2012
    http://www.infowars.com/fbi-says-no-one-killed-at-sandy-hook/

  80. manton says:
    @manton

    Can one of the believers in the conspiracy answer this please? Were the kids made up? If so, how? If not, what happened to them, and how has their disappearance-yet-continued-existence been made possible?

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @James Kabala
  81. vinteuil says:
    @manton

    “I think [it] would behoove Unz to offer some sort of explanation of why he publishes this lunatic.”

    Yeah, exactly right. What’s up, here?

  82. vinteuil says:

    “This is a photo used to establish the reality of one of the teachers allegedly killed in the Sandy Hook shooting. According to experts, there are many problems with this photo. Without going into any of them, notice that the shadow of the woman on the left falls to the southwest, but the shadow of the woman on the right falls to the southeast. This suggests the photo is a construction made from photos when the sun was in different positions in the sky. The shadows associated with the woman in yellow do not seem to relate to her, and the shadow in front of the standing man seems unrelated to him.”

    PCR – are you not ashamed to have written this drivel?

    Have you checked out the comments by Pixel & others above that show you for the gullible fool that you are?

    Or do you consider yourself too important ever to deign to respond to criticism?

    • Replies: @marwan
  83. marwan says:
    @vinteuil

    Page views / Web traffic .
    Yes the article is nonsense , by design . Got you talking and making comments . Got a lot of people to view due to the ludicrous nature of the piece .

  84. Sam J. says:

    I don’t know if kids at Sandy Hook were killed or not but the bizarre behavior of the police and weird photos are not the only reason that people don’t believe the government. I used to think conspiracy people were touched in the head until 9-11. A person told me that it was an inside job and the buildings were demoed. I set out to prove him wrong and could not. The key was building #7, not hit by a plane, that had a few fires on 3 or 4 floors and fell for roughly 108 feet the same speed as a rock dropped in air. This is of course impossible. Even if the columns holdingu p building #7 were molten liquid steel they would still have some resistance to falling greater than air. The building fell with no resistance at all.

    Now when I see some mass shooting of any type if there’s oddities that don’t fit in it’s reasonable to assume that it’s all false. If you’re going to show photos of events that don’t correspond to the event then people have a right to question whether they are being told the truth.

    Here’s another abnormality to Sandy Hook that I’ve found. It’s not much and most people would not even notice but it stuck out like a sore thumb to me. I’ve worked on roof fan air vents before on buildings. They have a mushroom shaped hood a lot of times to keep water out. At Sandy Hook on the day of the shooting one of the vent hoods is missing. Most people would not notice this but I did immediately. No one working on one these would leave it off. If you did leave it off you certainly wouldn’t carry it off the building. Look at this video at 1:32 and a little before. You see the entrance porch cover. Now look up on the roof and you will see three vents. One on the far left has the cover on, one to it’s right has it’s cover off and one above the uncovered one is a different type (square looking) has it’s cover on. Most likely this is the lunch room and that’s the vents for cooking.

    Of course it’s not much but there’s so many abnormalities. Why are civilian cars blocking the road all the way up to and at the fire station. Can you imagine the way Cops are today them not screaming to high heaven for them to move their cars out of the way? No way would they let them block the road.

    What about the picture of Gene standing in front of a sign that says for people to sign in? There’s just tons of these abnormalities. So many that whatever the story is I don’t believe it’s what they’re telling us.

    It’s like this in so many events these days. In Colorado blood trails to gas mask on the other side of the parking lot.

    In California people see Whites and now they tell us it an Arab Women. People do make mistakes but these are just so odd and to not be probable. Notice there’s plenty of shooting where there’s no conspiracy theorist talk at all. I expect this will change as more and more they make up conspiracies so as to make anyone who believes in them look stupid.

    I believe a lot of Trumps support is because the public doesn’t believe the government is telling them the truth about a lot these attacks. Even if Trump was not going to solve these problems I can’t see him carrying them on and making them worse.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  85. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Here’s what’s come out, according to Wikipedia:

    The authorized biography, I Am A Soldier Too: The Jessica Lynch Story, by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Rick Bragg states that Lynch had been raped in the three hours she was unconscious during her captivity, based on medical records and her pattern of injuries.[18] Lynch does not recall any sexual assault and was “adamantly opposed to including the rape claim in the book,” but that Bragg wore her down and told her that “people need to know that this is what can happen to women soldiers”.[19]

    • Replies: @Rich
  86. Art says:
    @TomSchmidt

    There does appear to be a vertical line in the same photo, with the girl on the left on a light-colored rock, but that could be the angle of the shot.

    I cannot imagine that Sandy Hook was a hoax, still.

    Please – these are family photos – not official or media photos.

    Anyone with a computer can change their photos.

    There are a million personal reasons why a family may want to enhance their photos — some good – some bad.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  87. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Thanks to Andrew Mathis for setting this up for me, he’s been had yet again.

    This is really too easy

    Yes, the laughable & impossible ‘holocau$t was created a long time ago, see:

    ‘mythical ‘6,000,000’ planned / promoted in the 1800s’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112
    and:
    ‘The 6 million figure’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9859

    And here is a list just from 190o onward:

    Here are two hundred ‘Six million Jews” allegations just from 1900 – 1945.
    at:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9859&p=74807&hilit=1869#p74807

    [MORE]

    1900 – Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900: “There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism.”

    1902 – Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, Vol. 25, 1902, page 482: “While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded …”

    1902 – Samuel W. Goldstein, New York Times, November 27, 1902: “PLEA FOR ZIONISM … In answer I would say: Does Dr. Silverman represent the 6,000,000 Jews in Russia, 300,000 in Roumania and the 1,000,000 in Galicia?”

    1903 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 18th, 1903, page 6: ” … six million downtrodden brethren.”

    1904 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 19th, 1904, page 2: ” … where five or six million people existed under persecution.”

    1904 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 7th, 1904, page 1: ” … the final and definite deliverance of the six millions of Russian, Roumanian and Galician Jews … transporting five or six million people over the sea.”

    1904 – Israel Zangwill, New York Times, October 20, 1904: “The problem does not relate to the American Jews, but to the 6,000,000 in Russia. The Russian Government has consented to allow the Jews to leave,”

    1905 – New York Times, January 29th, 1905: “He declared that a free and a happy Russia, with its 6,000,000 Jews, would possibly mean the end of Zionism, since the abolition of the autocracy would practically eliminate the causes that brought Zionism into existence.”

    1905 – New York Times, November 1st, 1905: “From 1800 to 1902 he caused 6,000,000 Jewish families to be expelled from Russia …”

    1906 – New York Times, March 25th, 1906: ” … the condition and future of Russia’s 6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan … He left St. Petersburg with the firm conviction that the Russian Government’s studied policy for the “solution” of the Jewish question is systematic and murderous extermination.”

    1907 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 18th, 1907, page 13: ” … for six million people cannot emigrate.

    1908 – Deseret Evening News, March 17th, 1908: ” … poverty, starvation and disease are the afflictions which now beset the six million Jews in that country and Roumania.”

    1908 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 7th, 1908: ” … when six million Russian Jews are crying … ”

    1910 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 4th, 1910: “SIX MILLION BABIES SAVED BY STRAUS.”

    1911 – Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th Edition, Vol. 2, 1911, page 145: “While there remain in Russia and Rumania over six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded …”

    1911 – Max Nordeau speaking at The 1911 Zionist Congress. Hecht, Ben. Perfidy. NY; Julian Messner. 1961. page 254: “But the same righteous Governments, who are so nobly, industriously active to establish the eternal peace, are preparing, by their own confession, complete annihilation for six million people,”

    1911 – Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (IN), June 4th, 1911, page 15: “PRINCE, PRIEST AND PEASANT WAGE WAR AGAINST SIX MILLION JEWS”

    1911 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 18th, 1911, page 14: “Very soon a fervid Russian patriotism will reign in every Ghetto, and the melting-up of the race begin. But this absorption of the five or six million Jews … ”

    1911 – Max Nordeau, The Jewish Chronicle (London), August 18th, 1911, page 14: ” … the downfall of six million creatures … for no war has ever yet destroyed six million human lives.”

    1911 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 25th, 1911: ” … six million Jews are still groaning under the most terrible yoke.”

    1911 – Max Nordeau, The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 1st, 1911, page 3: ” … the downfall of six million creatures … for no war has ever yet destroyed six million human lives.”

    1911 – Max Nordeau, The Reform Advocate (Chicago), September 9th, 1911: ” … the downfall of six million creatures … for no war has ever yet destroyed six million human lives.”

    1911 – New York Times, October 31st, 1911: “The 6,000,000 Jews of Russia are singled out for systematic oppression and for persecution due to process of law.”

    1912 – American Jewish Year Book 5672 (23 Sep 1911 – 11 Sep 1912), page 308: “Russia has since 1890 adopted a deliberate plan to expel or exterminate six millions of its people for no other reason than that they refuse to become members of the Greek Church, but prefer to remain Jews.

    1912 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), January 5th, 1912: ” … more than six million Jews reside in small towns and villages there is no Sabbath question.”

    1912 – Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, New York Tribune, September 11th, 1912, page 9: “Russia is now asphyxiating the Jews. It does not dare to offend the nations by blood spilling, so it is slowly, but surely grinding out the lives of 6,000,000 Jews.”

    1913 – Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (IN), October 18th, 1913, page 4: “There are six million Jews in Russia and the government is anxious to annihilate them by methods that provoke protests from the civilized world.”

    1914 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), July 10th, 1914, page 9: ” … where six million Jews are suffering … ”

    1914 – New York Times, December 2nd, 1914, page 12: “APPEAL FOR AID FOR JEWS. … the plight of more than 6,000,000 Jews … upon the Jewish people, more than nine millions of whom live in the countries at war and over six million of these in the actual war zone in Poland, Galicia and the whole of Russian frontier.”

    1915 – New York Times, January 14th, 1915, page 3: “In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow … ”

    1915 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 19th, 1915: “How the casting of six million people into the deepest abyss of servitude and outlawry is to relieve tension we cannot understand.”

    1915 – The Sun (NY), June 6, 1915, section 5, page 1: “Six million Jews, one-half of the Jewish people throughout the world, are being persecuted, hounded, humiliated, tortured, starved. … six million Jews in Russia … are being tortured so mercilessly.”

    1915 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), June 25th, 1915: “The annihilation of the six million Jews now congregated in the Russian domains goes on in a well defined and systematic manner.

    1915 – Jacob de Hass, The Boston Sunday Globe, September 26th, 1915, page 46: Indeed the only point that all warring elements are agreed upon is that at the end of the holocaust the Jews and Palestine will be more closely related than at present.

    1915 – New York Tribune, October 14th, 1915: “What the Turks are doing to Armenians is child’s play compared to what Russia is doing to six million Jews, her own subjects.”

    1915 – The Mercury, December 4th, 1915: ” … six millions of Russian and Polish Jews are to-day the most pitiable victims of that race hatred and that race fanaticism which have been the creed of Germany … ”

    1916 – The Jews in the Eastern War Zone, The American Jewish Committee, 1916: ” … where six million human beings guilty only of adherence to the Jewish faith are compelled to live out their lives in squalor and misery, in constant terror of massacre … estimated at six million or more … of these six million people … a kind of prison with six million inmates … The persons most affected, the six million Jews of Russia … The Jews are loyal and brave, and it is most inadvisable to pursue a policy which might convert six million subjects into enemies. … the six million Jews of Russia still continued … nearly three of the six million …”

    1916 – Oakland Tribune (CA), January 26th, 1916, page 1 (FRONT PAGE ADVERT 2 DAYS RUNNING): “The President of the United States—6,000,000 Starving, Homeless, People—and January 27th Why should the President, by proclamation to the people of the nation, fix upon january 27th as the day for contributing towards the relief of over six million Jews located in the Far Eastern War Zone?”

    1916 – North Devon Journal, March 9th, 1916, page 7: “In Poland, in Southern and Western Russia, six million Jews resided when the War broke out. They lived there in the pale of settlement, in poverty, and were terribly overcrowded.”

    1916 – Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (IN), March 12th, 1916, page 34: ” … six million Jews reported starving in the warring countries.”

    1916 – The Tacoma Times, February 28th, 1916: ” … there were 6,000,000 Jews in Europe absolutely without food or resources.”

    1916 – New York Times, February 28th, 1916: “Nearly six million Jews are ruined in the greatest moral and material misery; millions of them are refugees, dependent upon the good will of their brethren.”

    1916 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 3rd, 1916: “Nearly six million Jews are ruined.”

    1916 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 31st, 1916, page 6: “Position of the Jews in Russia. The Jews in Russia, numbering about six million, are denied full political and civil rights and are economically oppressed.”

    1916 – El Paso Herald, April 22nd, 1916, page 5: “Six Million Jews Are Deprived Of Papers By Russian Censorship. … Six million Jews have been robbed of their newspapers.”

    1918 – Fort Wayne News and Sentinel (IN), June 22nd, 1918, page 1: “In the war zone of Europe there are six million Jews who have been the war’s worst sufferers,”

    1918 – The Columbus Jewish Chronicle, June 28th, 1918, page 1: “Claims Palestine Has Room For Six Million … “It is quite possible for Palestine to find room for five to six millions … 800,000 hectares will suffice to produce the food of six millions of people,”

    1918 – The Bakersfield Californian, July 30th, 1918, page 4: “… the six million starving Jews in Poland, Galicia and other stricken Eastern provinces …”

    1918 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 5th, 1918: ” … Russia, where the bulk of the Jewish people to the number of well over six million still dwell, is a land of blood and midnight darkness.”

    1918 – The Columbus Jewish Chronicle, September 13th, 1918, page 1: “The report describes the havoc the war has caused among the six million Jews of Russia. Driven by the invading armies, the Jews have been compelled to flee from their homes;”

    1918 – New York Times, October 18th, 1918: “Six million Souls Will Need Help to Resume Normal Life When War Is Ended. … Committee of American Jews Lays Plans for the Greatest Humanitarian Task in History. … 6,000,000 Jews Need Help.”

    1919 – The Bourbon News, April 1st, 1919, p.4: “… six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia who are dying of starvation,”

    1919 – The Watchman and Southron, April 5th, 1919: “Six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia are dying of starvation. … These six million despairing souls are totally dependent on American generosity for the bare necessities of life.”

    1919 – The Galveston Daily News, April 5th, 1919, page 5: “Six million Jews are dying of starvation.”

    1919 – The Galveston Daily News, April 6th, 1919, page 8: “The American Jewish Relief Committee is endeavoring to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German terror.”

    1919 – El Paso Herald., April 7th, 1919: ” … to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German Terror.”

    1919 – San Antonio Express, April 8th, 1919, page 15: “The American Jewish Relief Committee is endeavoring to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German terror.”

    1919 – The Corsicana Daily Sun, April 9th, 1919, page 8: “THE AMERICAN JEWISH RELIEF COMMITTEE IS ENDEAVOURING TO SAVE FROM STARVATION SIX MILLION JEWS WHO ARE THE HELPLESS VICTIMS OF THE GERMAN TERROR”

    1919 – San Antonio Express, April 9th, 1919, page 12: “At no other time in the history of the Jewish people has the need been so great as now. Six million of our brothers and sisters are dying of starvation. The entire race is threatened with extinction.”

    1919 – The Wellington Leader (TX), April 11th, 1919, page 1
    “We wish to call the attention of our people to the great drive that is on to raise funds for the relief of the six million Jews who are starving in the war ridden districts of the east.”

    1919 – The Corsicana, Semi-Weekly Light, April 11th, 1919, page 5: “THE AMERICAN JEWISH RELIEF COMMITTEE IS ENDEAVOURING TO SAVE FROM STARVATION SIX MILLION JEWS WHO ARE THE HELPLESS VICTIMS OF THE GERMAN TERROR”

    1919 – The Daily Courier (PA), August 4th, 1919, section 2, page 1: “APPEALS TO AMERICA TO ACT QUICKLY IF LIVES OF SOME SIX MILLION JEWS ARE TO BE SAVED … The lives of some six million people are at stake.”

    1919 – The Fulton Patriot, September 3rd, 1919, page 4: WORLD JEWRY AT GREATEST CRISIS Leaders in America Striving to Save Race in Europe From Destruction. … All told, many million Christians and more than 6,000,000 Jews in countries other than the United States are being directly aided by American Jewish relief funds.”
    1919 – New York Times, September 8th, 1919, page 6: “127,000 Jews Have Been Killed and 6,000,000 Are in Peril. … 6,000,000 souls in Ukrainia and in Poland have received notice through action and by word that they are going to be completely exterminated – this fact stands before the whole world as the paramount issue of the present day.”

    1919 – The Fort Wayne News and Sentinel, September 17th, 1919, section 2, page 1: ” … six million Jews are dying of starvation and where vast numbers of them—innocent victims of the ravages of war—wander homeless, and in rags.”

    1919 – Rushville Daily Republican, September 29th, 1919, page 4: “The thought that as I walk the streets of this properous and happy town there are 6,000,000 people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. … When I read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or my religion. … Six million people perishing!”

    1919 – Janesville Daily Gazette (WI), October 4th, 1919, page 4: ” … the Feast Day of Rosh Hashonah. It was not a feast day for some six million starving Jews of Europe because every day for the past four years has been a fast day for them. … the five year fast that has been the lot of the 6,000,000 Jews in Europe.”

    1919 – Sheboygan Press (WI), October 4th, 1919, page 2: ” … the Feast Day of Rosh Hashonah. It was not a feast day for some six million starving Jews of Europe because every day for the past four years has been a fast day for them. … the five year fast that has been the lot of the 6,000,000 Jews in Europe.”

    1919 – The Fort Wayne Journal-Gazette (IN), October 6th, 1919, page 3: “With six million of their population in absolute want, they are unable alone to render sufficient aid … There are to-day to be found in the ten provinces of Russia, Poland and the fifteen provinces called the ‘Pale of Settlement’ six millions of these peaceful and law abiding people … We do not see with our eyes the evidences of want and degradation into which six million Jews have been thrown suddenly through no fault of their own.”

    1919 – Indiana Weekly Messenger, October 9th, 1919, page 1 & 4: “Life for six millions in the shadow of death! … Six millions mean what? … Six million souls, old men, old women, and little children in Poland, Lithuania, Russia, Palestine, Glaicia, Turkey, Syria, Roumania, Greece, and Bulgaria are in imminent danger of starving to death this winter. … The responsibility of maintaining life in these six million sufferers rests upon every man and woman in the United States … Helping the Jews in their extremity is not helping the Bolsheviks,” the speaker emphatically declared.”

    1919 – Schenectady Gazette, October 16th, 1919, page 15: “Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race.”

    1919 – Titusville Herald, October 18th, 1919, page 4: “… Jewish Relief Fund … Contribute Today, the Last Day and Help Save From Death Six Millions of Starving People.”

    1919 – San Francisco Chronicle, October 19th, 1919, page 18: “6,000,000 JEWS IN BREAD LINE, STRAUS WRITES. More Than Third of Entire Race in World Reduced to Despair in Europe. … Six million Jews, out of the 16,000,000 in the world … ”

    1919 – The Evening Tribune Providence, October 31st, 1919, page 11: “In the midst of our campaign for the relief of the six million Jews of Eastern Europe … ”

    1919 – The Record (Johnson City, NY), November 1st, 1919, page 8: “There are 6,000,000 Jews in eastern Europe whom the war has left dependant upon America for aid.”

    1919 – Beatrice Daily Sun (NE), November 8th, 1919, page 2: “The territory which Mr. Hoover visited is but a part of that in which 6,000,000 Jews, suffers of war and war’s equally horrible after-math, stand helpless today, … The Need: SIX MILLION STARVING SOULS. Six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia are dying of starvation. … These six million despairing souls are totally dependent on American generosity for the bare necessities of life. The Object: $35,000,000 for 6,000,000 LIVES”

    1919 – Lebanon Daily News (PA), November 11th, 1919, page 2: “DISEASE AND STARVATION IN POLAND Lieut. Wright Tells of Half Starved People Clad in Rags BREAD OUT OF LEAVES Says 6,000,000 Face Death This Winter Unless Given Immediate Relief … 6,000,000 Face Death … Six million Jews in eastern Europe face death during the coming winter,”

    1919 – Felix M. Warburg, New York Times, November 12th, 1919: “The Jews were the worst sufferers in the war. The successive blows of contending armies have all but broken the back of European Jewry and have reduced to tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth.”

    1919 – Gouvernur Free Press, November 12th, 1919: “Six Million Men and Women Are Dying… Won’t You Help Them? … From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help … in six million human beings … In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate … Six million men and women are dying … Six million men and women are dying … Because of this war for Democracy six million Jewish men and women are starving across the seas … Six million men and women of the race that helped do the greatest of the world’s work are falling into the grave! … six million famished men and women now turn mute eyes of appeal … ”

    1919 – Chester Times (PA), November 28th, 1919, page 15: “There are 6,000,000 Jews in Eastern Europe whom the war has left dependent upon us for aid.”

    1919 – Ironwood News Record (MI), December 6th, 1919, page 9: “For First Time in History of Race, Jews Are Asking Others For Help. … They are doing it because six million Jews in eastern and central Europe are actually in need of food at this moment. … The problem of 6,000,000 starving men, women and little children ought to be the problem of all humanity.”

    1919 – Lima News (OH), December 24th, 1919, page 3: “Today Six Million Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known In the History of the Race.”

    1919 – The Toledo News-Bee, December 27th, 1919: “Six Million Human Beings Are Suffering the Tortures of Disease, Hunger and Death … American Jewish Relief Committee”

    1920 – Van Wert Daily Bulletin (OH), January 5, 1920, page 3: “… Jewish relief work in Europe and Asia. There are six million Jews in the two continents who because of the war have been made destitute.”

    1920 – Manti Messenger (Utah), March 19, 1920: “Just now some six million of Jews, eight hundred thousand of them just children, are in imminent danger of starvation in eastern Europe.”

    1920 – Tulsa Daily World, April 11th, 1920, section B, page 14: “Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race”

    1920 – Utica Herald-Dispatch, April 20th, 1920, page 9: “Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race.”

    1920 – New York Times, May 7th, 1920: ” … Jewish war sufferers in Central and Eastern Europe where six millions face horrifying conditions of famine, disease and death.

    1920 – The Ogden Standard-Examiner, August 20th, 1920: ” … there are six million Jews in eastern and central Europe whom the war has left dependent upon America.”

    1920 – New York Tribune, August 29th, 1920: “Six million Jews were made homeless by five years of foreign and domestic wars.”

    1921 – New York Times, July 20, 1921, page 2: “BEGS AMERICA SAVE 6,000,000 IN RUSSIA. Russia’s 6,000,000 Jews are facing extermination by massacre.”

    1922 – Lowell Sun (MA), March 22nd, 1922, page 14: “The Jews in the immediate district for which the aid of the war sufferers’ campaign is to be given numbered over six million. … Over 300,000 orphans, over 150,000 descrated women, over six million wandering Jews walking, crawling in their misery, feeding on the bark of trees and on herbs that drow by the wayside.”

    1926 – Encyclopaedia Britannica, 13th Edition, Vol. 1, 1926, page 145: “While there remain in Russia and Rumania over six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded …”

    1926 – Canadian Jewish Review, April 9th, 1926, page 4: ” … the extreme need of 6,000,000 Jews in Russia and Poland,”

    1931 – The Montreal Gazette, December 28th, 1931, page 25: “SIX MILLION JEWS FACE STARVATION. … FEARS CRISIS AT HAND. … six million Jews in Eastern Europe face starvation, and even worse, during the coming winter.”

    1932 – Symphony of Six Million, film, April 29th, 1932: Directed by Gregory La Cava, written by Fannie Hurst (story), J. Walter Ruben, Bernard Schubert (screenplay), starring Ricardo Cortez.

    1933 – New York Times, March 29, 1933: “It is now active in relief and reconstructive work in Eastern Europe where 6,000,000 Jews are involved.”

    1933 – New York Times, June 1st, 1933, page 6: “Dr. Margoshes said he had received a letter from the poet at Zurich a few days ago, stating that she had ‘run away from the holocaust … ‘”

    1933 – The Jewish Western Bulletin, September 21st, 1933: “At this period of human persecution and of human destruction, when life, especially Jewish life has ceased to be of any value in the cruel land of bloody Germany, when the lives of hundreds of thousands are tortured and hang in the balance – during this holocaust … ”

    1935 – New York Times, September 8th, 1935, page 26: “The preliminary session of the first world conference of the Federation of Polish Jews being attended by sixty delegates from eighteen countries representing 6,000,000 Jews … ”

    1936 – Chaim Weizmann: Reden und Aufsatze 1901-1936. jud. Bucherverlag Erwin Lowe, Berlin 1937, page 272-4: “It is no exaggeration to say that six million Jews are sentenced to be imprisoned in this part of the world, where they are unwanted, and for whom the countries are divided into those, where they are unwanted, and those, where they are not admitted. … It is ultimately the fate of six million people!”

    1936 – New York Times, May 31st, 1936, page 14: “AMERICANS APPEAL FOR JEWISH REFUGE. The petition, in expressing the opinion of enlightened Christian leadership in the United States, favoring a larger Jewish immigration into Palestine, stressed the intolerable sufferings of the millions of Jews in “the European holocaust.” … to save these unfortunate millions from total annihilation … ”

    1936 – Chaim Weizmann, The (London) Times, November 26th, 1936: “While in Western Europe many individual Jews had happy homes, in Eastern Europe there were 6,000,000 unwanted unfortunates who were condemned to be penned up in places where they could not live. … the presence of these 6,000,000 people without a future whose condition was a threat to Europe.”

    1936 – Chaim Weizmann, The Jewish Western Bulletin, December 11th, 1936, page 3: ” … where six million Jews are in a position which is neither life nor death.”

    1936 – New York Post, December 11th, 1936, page 19: “JEWISH RELIEF BOARD TO HEAR LEHMAN SUDAY Gathering to consider the crisis confronting 6,000,000 Jews in Central and Eastern Europe,”

    1937 – Fitchburg Sentinel, February 17th, 1937, page 1 & 11: “Stating that “6,000,000 Jews in central Europe have neither life nor death because of extreme persecution,” Mrs Emanuel Halpern of New York city, member of the national board of Hadassah urged … Today there are 6,000,000 million (sic) Jews in central Europe who have neither life nor death.”

    1937 – Jewish Western Bulletin, December 31st, 1937: “The number six million is often used to describe the Jewish population of Central and Eastern Europe.”

    1938 – New York Times, January 9th, 1938, page 12: “PERSECUTED JEWS SEEN ON INCREASE. 6,000,000 VICTIMS NOTED. … Five to six million in all are today the victims of governmental anti-Semitism … ”

    1938 – New York Times, February 23rd, 1938, page 23: “A depressing picture of 6,000,000 Jews in Central Europe deprived of protection or economic opportunities, slowly dying of starvation, all hope gone … Now anti-Semitism has spread to thirteen European nations, and threatens the very existence of millions of Jews.”

    1938 – The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), April 1st, 1938, page 15: “I shall not comment upon the first except to remind you that six million Jews in Europe are struggling between life and death.”

    1938 – The Guardian, April 4th, 1938, page 11: “Six million Jews at this moment are trapped like rats … ”

    1938 – New York Times, May 2nd, 1938: “The rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe today, which has deprived more than 6,000,000 Jews and non-Aryans of a birthright … ”

    1938 – The Jews of Central Europe by Jacob Lestshinsky, in Jewish Frontier, Vol. 5, No.6, June 1938, page 13: “EVERY NATION is morally compelled to face the bitter truth. This article is written not with the intent of bewailing our plight but in order to arrive at a factual calculation of the status of six million Jews in Central and Eastern Europe and of the prospects that exist in the lands of immigration.”

    1938 – Port Arthur News, June 9th, 1938, page 1: “It is estimated that nearly six million Jews have been driven from their homes by ruthless oppressors and stripped not only of their property but their right to work for a living.”

    1938 – Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, June 16th, 1938, page 18: “Judge Lewis urged American members of the race to swing moral and financial powers into the channels of evacuating some 6,000,000 Jews to Palestine.”

    1938 – Turtle Mountain Star, Rolla, North Dakota, October 6th, 1938: “Five or six million Jews, uprooted by dictatorship and tossed about by economic storms, may have to depend upon the development of the Holy Land, under British mandate, as a solution to their difficulties. But they face the hostility of the Arabs living there, whose economic and religious interests conflict with theirs. … protects the settlers from the raiding Arabs. … The Arabs Are Coming! … The dreaded Mohammedan raiders have been sighted by a neighbor settler … ”

    1938 – The Times, November 22nd, 1938: “Mass emigration of Jews to Palestine for two years and the formation of a Jewish national assembly was advocated by Sir John Haslam, M.P., in a message which he sent to a public meeting at the Kingsway Hall last night held by the New Zionist Organization. The message stated that the problem now involved some 6,000,000 Jews.”

    1939 – New York Times, January 15th, 1939, page 27: “Rabbi Silver wanted assistance to Jewish emigration safeguarded so that European governments would realize that ‘it is impossible to evacuate 6,000,000 Jews.’”

    1939 – The Binghampton Press, January 18, 1939, page 8: “IRISH PLEA — Deputy Robert Briscoe, only Jewish member of the Irish Parliament, arrives in New York city to begin a campaign to enlist Americans in a plan for resettling approximately 6,000,000 Jews in Palestine.”

    1939 – The Canadian Jewish Chronicle, January 27th, 1939: “Only six million Jews remain at the moment safe. But they will have to carry the burden.”

    1939 – Chaim Weizmann, The Palestine Post, February 14th, 1939: “The fate of six million people was in balance … ”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, February 17th, 1939, page 20: “The fate of six million people is in the balance. … They supported their stand with a declaration that Jews never needed unrestricted immigration to Palestine as much as at present, with 6,000,000 Jewish refugees seeking a haven.”

    1939 – The Evening Independent, February 22nd, 1939, page 1: “6,000,000 Helpless. … there are six million Jews in Europe today fighting desperately against intolerance and despair. For them the support of the united appeal is crucial.”

    1939 – The Advocate, March 17, 1939. The Advocate: America’s Jewish Journal. Vols. 95-98. 1939, page 47: “If the six million Jews that constitute the European scene were removed from the lands where they now dwell the forces of brutality and ruthlessness would still continue to operate.”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, April 7th, 1939, page 4: “Not in Hitler’s Hands, In Yours … The Fate Of Six Million European Jews”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, April 7th, 1939, page 33: ” … six million Jewish people who are in dire need today.”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, April 14th, 1939, page 4: “Recent events in Central Europe have brought to 6,000,000 the total number of Jews in Central and Eastern European countries affected by anti-Semitic activities”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, April 14th, 1939, page 6: ” … whether our 6,000,000 fellow countrymen will live or die … More than a million refugees, starving, tortured, fear-dazed, have been dragged from their homes, separated from their families, expelled from their countries. Five million more, await with horror the moment this misery will strike them … ”

    1939 – Chester Times (PA), April 20th, 1939, page 6: “Six million Jews are the stepchildren of fate in Europe today.”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, April 21st, 1939, page 15: ” … the distress and suffering of 6,000,000 Jews in Europe. … HAVE YOU DONE YOUR DUTY? THE UNITED JEWISH FUND NEEDS YOUR HELP FOR THE HELPLESS 6,000,000 IN EUROPE

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, April 28th, 1939, page 3: ” … 6,000,000 fellow Jews who are in distress today.”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, May 12th, 1939, page 7: “The year of 1939 is the year of the most critical struggle of 6,000,000 European Jews.”

    1939 – Ohio Jewish Chronicle, June 30th, 1939, page 1: “The crisis which Jews of Europe are facing today envelopes far more than six millions souls.”

    1939 – The Jewish Criterion, October 13th, 1939, page 2: ” … the coming war would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe.”

    1940 – Mason City Globe Gazette (Iowa), January 20th, 1940, page 16: “Mr. Tannenbaum stressed that Palestine offered the only solution to the six million Jews who are homeless, starv ing and sick in central and eastern Europe today.”

    1940 – The Southern Israelite, May 3rd, 1940: “Almost six million Jews find themselves on the brink of starvation and extermination. Their only hope is the help which the Jews of America can extend to them. The success of the United Jewish Appeal will determine their fate.

    1940 – Robert W. Schiff, Ohio Jewish Chronicle, May 17th, 1940, page 1: “Over six million Jews in Central and Eastern Europe are faced with great danger of annihilation as the result of the sweep of war and oppression.”

    1940 – New York Times, June 25th, 1940, page 4: “Six million Jews in Europe are doomed to destruction, if the victory of Nazis should be final. … The chances for mass emigration and resettlement of European Jewry seems to be remote, and European Jews face the danger of physical annihilation. Even the 4,000,000 Jews under Soviet rule, although free from racial discrimination, are not safe in the event of a final Nazi victory.”

    1940 – Joplin News Herald (Missouri), June 25th, 1940, page 3: “Six million Jews in Europe are doomed to destruction.”

    1940 – Ohio Jewish Chronicle, June 28th, 1940, page 1: “The lives of six million Jews have been uprooted by the psychopathic, political ambitions of totalitarian leaders.”

    1940 – The Palestine Post, July 1st, 1940, page 6: “Nor must we despair that six million Jews will forever lose trace of their historic heritage.”

    1942 – New York Times, December 13th, 1942, page 21: “Rabbi Israel Goldstein in Temple B’nai Jeshurun, Eighty-eighth Street, near Broadway, declared: “Authenticated reports point to 2,000,000 Jews who have already been slain by all manner of satanic barbarism, and plans for the total extermination of all Jews upon whom the Nazis can lay their hands. The slaughter of a third of the Jewish population in Hitler’s domain and the threatened slaughter of all is a holocaust without parallel.”

    1942 – The Courier-Mail (Brisbane), December 19th, 1942: “GERMAN HORROR CRIMES; ALLIES PROMISE JUSTICE. Statements issued simultaneously in London, Washington and Moscow, told at German barbarity and of proof of the Nazi determination to exterminate Jews. … Hitler’s decision to exterminate the Jews … It is estimated that there are between five and six million Jews in Occupied Europe … Nazi Slaughter House. … Hitler’s oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe.”

    1942 – Barrier Miner (Australia), December 23rd, 1942: “Mr. Silverman suggested that Australia and Canada could each absorb 6,000,000 Jews. … MOST ARE DOOMED … The Jewish Congress declares that 2,000,000 Jews have been exterminated so far.”

    1942 – The Massacre of a People: What the Democracies Can Do, 1943. The following article is an except from “Let My People Go,” a pamphlet written on Christmas Day, 1942, in London: “Of the six million Jews or so who were living at the outbreak of the war in what is at present Nazi-occupied Europe, a high proportion—between one and two million—have been deliberately murdered by the Nazis and their satellites. … Unless something effective is done, within a very few months these six million Jews will all be dead,”

    1943 – American Zionist Emergency Council (from 1970: American Zionist Movement) – “Palestine” – Volumes 1-5 (1943): “Jewish civilian casualties will be close to six million … ”

    1943 – “Debates: House of Commons, official report, volume 5, Canada, 1943: “I should like to read a bit from a pamphlet entitled “Let My People Go,” written by Victor Gollancz: Of the 6,000,000 Jews or so who were living at the outbreak of the war in what is at present nazi-occupied Europe, a high proportion -say between one and two million- have been deliberately murdered by the nazis and their satellites. … within a very few months these six million Jews will all be dead … ”

    1943 – Contemporary Jewish Record, Volume 6 1943 (Published by the American Jewish Committee): “Suddenly, during the summer of 1942, world public opinion was shocked out of its lethargy by the realization that the Nazis had decreed the complete extinction of six million Jews and that a third of the victims had already perished.”

    1943 – The Canberra Times, January 25th, 1943: ” … Jews are being subjected as part of Hitler’s plan to exterminate six million Jews in occupied Europe.”

    1943 – The (London) Times, January 25th, 1943: “They note further that the extermination already carried out is part of the Carrying into effect of Hitler’s oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe, which means in effect the extermination of some 6,000,000 persons in the territories over which Hitler’s rule has been extended.

    1943 – Lowell Sun (MA), January 26th, 1943, page 9: “Of these six million Jews, almost a third have already been massacred by Germans, Rumanians and Hungarians and the most conservative of scorekeepers estimate that before the war ends at least another third wil have been done to death.”

    1943 – The Guardian, January 27th, 1943, page 4: “A PROPOSAL TO SAVE THE JEWS … Some six million lives remained in imminent peril.”

    1943 – The Canadian Jewish Review, January 29th, 1943, page 1: ” … Hitler really intended to exterminate 6,000,000 more human beings.”

    1943 – Hull Daily Mail, January 30th, 1943, page 3: “Mr Gollancz states that of the six million Jews living at the outbreak of war in the present Nazi-dominated areas, between one and two million have been deliberately murdered.”

    1943 – Western Morning News (Devon UK), February 5th, 1943, page 2: “There are some who hold that Hitler’s set purpose is the extermination of the Jews in Occupied Europe, numbering about six millions. … We can neither accommodate six million Jews here nor dictate the attitude of other Governments.”

    1943 – Wallace R. Deuel, Cumberland Evening Times, March 23rd, 1943, page 1: “The Nazis set out in the beginning to destroy whole peoples. They expected to obliterate from the earth not less than 6,000,000 Jews as a beginning.”

    1943 – The Advertiser (Adelaide, Australia), May 15th, 1943: ” … the possibility of the complete wiping out of six million Jews if something is not immediately done to secure a harbour of refuge.”

    1943 – The Canadian Jewish Review, August 13th, 1943, page 8: “Two million Jews out of Europe’s six million have already been slaughtered by the Nazis; most of the remainder seem doomed,

    1943 – Toledo Blade, August 27th, 1943: “3,000,000 Jews Left In Europe – 5,300,000 Reported To Have Perished. Europe’s Jewish population has been reduced from 8,300,000 to 3,000,000 during the 10 years the Nazis have been in power, says the Institute of Jewish Affairs.”

    1944 – The Palestine Post, January 23rd, 1944: “Only a handful of Polish Jews survived the extermination. They were now either with the partisans in the forests or living as Crypto-Jews. The death toll was six million, they declared.”

    1944 – Rabbi Michael Dov Ber Weissmandel, May 31st, 1944: ” … heads of government and radio must announce what was done to our people in the slaughter house of Belzec, Malkinia (Treblinka), Sobibor, and Auschwitz. Till now six times a million Jews from Europe and Russia have been destroyed.”

    1944 – The Palestine Post, November 28th, 1944: “SIX MILLIONS MURDERED. The Soviet State Publishing House is preparing the publication of another “Black Book,” a documentary record of the German massacre of approximately six million European Jews. … According to the Soviet editors, the Germans killed between five and six million Russian, Polish and Western European Jews, and an additional half million are being murdered in Hungary now.”

    1944 – The Jewish Criterion, December 1st, 1944: ” … 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied territories since the outbreak of the war. … Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews … ”

    1944 – Nahum Goldmann, Jewish Western Bulletin, December 8th, 1944: ” … apart from Jewish losses in combat service, 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied tesritories [territories] since the outbreak of the awr [war]. These figures exceed the number anticipated even by the most pessimistic. … Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews … ”

    1944 – Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, December 22nd, 1944: “In the regions they seized, Germans killed all Jews, from the old folks to infants in arms. Ask any German prisoners why his fellow countrymen annihilated six million innocent people … ”

    1945 – New York Times, January 8th, 1945: “6,000,000 JEWS DEAD. The Jewish population in Europe has been reduced from 9,500,000 in 1939 to 3,500,000. Of the 6,000,000 European Jews who have died, 5,000,000 had lived in the countries under Hitler’s occupation.”

  88. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    It’s concerns faked photos, like PCR’s article.

    Everyone can see that you’re struggling to keep up here, but please keep trying.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  89. @manton

    These convoluted theories actually are evidence of some restraint on PCR’s part – he doesn’t quite have the nerve to bring himself to accuse the government of actually killing these children (and the also-killed principal and teachers), so Plan B is “They never existed at all.”

    The only way these theories could be true is if there never was such a place as Sandy Hook Elementary School. And, incredibly, PCR does insinuate pretty close to this – he admits that the school was a real building but insinuates that perhaps it had already been permanently closed. So the whole town of Newtown must have been in on this – and apparently all the local papers must have been known well in advance and also been in on it, since they never bothered to report that the school had closed, which one would think would be a notable local-interest story. But sure, obviously this conspiracy of tens of thousands must be proved by a few funny-looking photos! (And they are not even that funny-looking – I honestly cannot figure out what us supposed to be wrong with the photo of the upset girl.)

  90. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    How would the state cover up a state crime against democracy (SCAD) such as a fake mass shooting, to drive support for trashing the US second amendment?

    One way would be to let loose a bunch of incompetent amateur conspiracy theorists, who would provide ammunition for those, either independently inclined, or employed by the state, to heap ridicule on conspiracy theorists.

    Further, if dumb conspiracy theorists are a key to the cover up, what better approach for them to take than photo-analysis? What proportion of the public could be considered competent photo-analysts? Very small. So the photoanalysis merely creates confusion and, in general, confirms the thesis of the late British journalist, Malcolm Muggeridge, that “the camera always lies.”

    In my view, PCRs piece about Sandy Hook mostly fits that category of useless analysis that only confuses the issue and provides material for the conspiracy theory scoffers to go to work with.

    Others who seem to add more heat than light to any debate about SCADS, whether they do so with good intentions or otherwise, are James Tracy and Jim Fetzer.

    PCR does, however, raise one important question about Sandy Hook; namely, why is easily produced evidence that supports the official story, e.g., death certificates, including that of Adam Lanza, concealed from the public? This is perverse, unless there is a deliberate conspiracy to conceal the truth of what happened.

    Another seemingly important line of evidence that PCR does not touch on concerns the announcements about the Sandy Hook killings that appeared on the Web prior to the killings.

    For example, the the local newspaper, the Newtown Bee, published an online account of the December 14 shooting, which was cached by bing.com on December 13. Moreover, this precognitive report, recounted an interview with the school’s principal Dawn Hochsprung, that could only have happened after Ms. Hochsprung’s reported death, she being among the first people, if not the very first person, allegedly killed.

    I saved that cached story here. What this page indicates is that either the Newtown Bee, announced the shootings before they are supposed to have occurred, or Bing.com mis-dated the page in their cache, not the kind of mistake one would expect of Microsoft, nor one that has been acknowledged.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  91. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    I don’t mind that Comrade Unz has allowed Paul Craig Roberts to deposit this sewage over here. It allows us to take big whacks at this sewage …or what ever the F you want to call it.

    This sewage has enabled Alex Jones to laugh all the way to the bank…and laugh all the way back to his million dollar home in Austin Hill Country.

    9/11 Truther Dylan Avery laughed all the to the bank and laughed all the way back to his million dollar home in the bucolic Hudson Valley over looking the Hudson River.

    I believe that working in the Reagan Administration has caused some very very serious psychological damage to Paul Craig Roberts.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  92. Dave says:
    @Anonymous

    Thank you !
    This ridiculous piece is hopelessly paranoid, as are the nitwits commenting in favor of a conspiracy based on non photoshopped photos.
    This type of crap also muddies the water in regards to legitimate research into possible large scale conspiracies like JFK/RFK, 9/11. I’m not saying those events were conspiracies, but looking at them is at least reasonable.
    There is nothing about Sandy Hook that necessitates theorizing.
    This credulousness on the part of Roberts and the dingbats commentating makes me wonder if the West is even worth saving.
    Such human stupidity should be allowed to crash and burn.

  93. @Wally

    You are like a dog with a bone, inserting the Holocaust into every conversation so you can deny it.

    • Replies: @Wally
  94. These threads have mystified me ever since the invention of the term conspiracy theorist. I can understand how it is that some people will not question authority. What baffles me is the intense hatred of and vilification of the truthers. Do they pose some kind of threat? Have they committed unspeakable acts? I don’t get it.

    I used to get down in the weeds in these discussions until I figured out I was wasting my pixels. I defended Ron Paul at Firedoglake and was not subjected to the kind of attacks I endured posting as a truther. Even discussion about race doesn’t produce this extreme rancor. What gives?

    • Replies: @dcite
    , @Wizard of Oz
  95. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I only bring up the laughable ‘holocau$t’ if the featured article, or responses to the article, warrant it.

    Of course unhinged Zionists like yourself can’t stand challenges to your impossible nonsense under any circumstances because the impossible ‘holocau$t’ storyline does not stand up to rational scrutiny.
    I realize that you wish to distract from that fact.

    Plus, your desperate responses make it so very easy for me to pour it on.

    Hurts don’t it?

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  96. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain

    PCR does, however, raise one important question about Sandy Hook; namely, why is easily produced evidence that supports the official story, e.g., death certificates …

    Responding to my own comment, I see that, according to this report, PCR is wrong in stating that the death certificates of the Sandy Hook victims have not been produced. Apparently, in response to a FOI request, they have been produced and all indicate that death was by gunshot wound. While a death certificate is not conclusive proof that anyone died, it is clearly not evidence of that someone did not die. This line of PCR’s attack on the Sandy Hook story is, therefore, even more futile than his photoanalysis at second hand.

    Most likely the other information that PCR says has been withheld, i.e., “utility bills, school bus routes, and other evidence that the school was in operation “could also be obtained through an FOI request.

    So PCR’s article seems a near perfect example of incompetent conspiracy theorizing that exposes all inquiry, competent or otherwise, to ridicule. This is unfortunate as there are legitimate questions about Sandy Hook that remain to be answered.

  97. Rich says:
    @anonymous

    Apparently some people, mostly DOD, didn’t want the information about her rape to be released to the public. Without going into too much detail, I know people who were involved in her rescue and they told me she was raped. This was before the information was released to the public. I’ve also been told that men who were captured were also raped in both Iraq and Afghanistan. This is all supposedly common knowledge to the Soldiers and Marines who served in that theater of operations.

  98. @Wally

    There’s no winning with you people. If we respond to you, we’re “desperate.” If we don’t, we’re “afraid.”

    Why bother?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wizard of Oz
  99. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    It’s the ridiculous nature of your responses that alerts everyone to your inability to come forward with proof for your impossible, yet very profitable, claims.

    [MORE]

    ‘holocaust’ Revisionists are just the messengers, the fact that there are laws and punishments for anyone who dares to exercises free speech about your asinine & impossible ‘holocau$t’ storyline is the message.

    In fact, intolerant Zionists like yourself know that free speech will destroy your absurd dogma, and free speech cannot be tolerated by The Holocau$t Industry who mandates belief in a Potemkin Village.
    Hence the shameful dirty tricks by you and those like you.

    Truth is hate to those who hate the truth.

    People are watching this subject closely.

    http://www.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    The tide is turning.

  100. KenH says:

    I periodically criticize Paul Craig Rubinstein because IMO he grossly and deliberately understates the Jewish role in all the foreign policy and domestic problems he writes about. I will say this article dealing in Sandy Hook is just presenting information of anomalies and a possible cover up by authorities so the reader can decide for himself/herself. PCR doesn’t seem to take a position either way.

    The only photos that give me pause are those of Robby Parker and his legless girls and the Adam Lanza photo. I’m not sure if I see any anomalies with the Lanza photo other than the face photo of the bug eyed kid with a funny hair cut the media has used contrasts greatly from the one above where he looks pretty normal even different from the one used widely by the media after the shooting.

    Before someone goes off the deep end and savages PCR and Sandy Hook truthing, one must consider that Obama said that gun control would be a top priority in his second term and the Sandy Hook shooting occurred one month after his re-election. Just a coincidence? Maybe, maybe not but I say the latter given the sweeping restrictions and controls Obama and the Democrats were seeking from Congress.

  101. manton says:

    If it was a great sinister conspiracy to quickly enact drastic gun control … how come they haven’t, you know, enacted drastic gun control?

    Even the ammo shortage seems to have abated:

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/ot-ammunition-is-mostly-cheap-and-plentiful-again/

  102. dcite says:
    @WorkingClass

    I’ve wondered too. I do get that some people just honestly disagree about some game-changing event, while concurring that for other events, the Official Story is questionable. ok.
    But why would groups of people with common interests and affiliations (secret societies were not just for frat parties) not conspire together to increase their profits or promote their agenda? The mechanical work can be contracted out so their hands don’t get too dirty.
    And if they were really, really bright, said groups would head any opposition off at the pass with the huge boulder called “ridicule” and then hammer it, hopefully to dust, with officially approved terminology, like “conspiracy theorist” even when those “theories” are facts every bit as verified as the weather report, but just not publicized. Such salient facts might flit on the front page for a day and then are gone.
    You can always tell a cover-up by how many jaw-dropping facts you discover years later, were reported when some event first occurred, corroborated by other sources, and on record, and then never mentioned again in public discourse until researchers resurrect them.
    We are far more programmed to believe authority figures, such as newspapers, tv heads, politicians, presidents, CEOs, etc. We must believe they do not lie, despite all evidence to the contrary, including common sense. Maybe that’s it.
    Then too, some people are paid to debunk “conspiracy theories” which explains the bigger than life huffing and puffing till they blow the house down. Always, “cui bono?”

  103. bondo says:
    @pyrrhus

    dont get the part about the “palestinians do better work than this”

    another jew stabbing the palestinians at any opportunity?

    pcr hit a very exposed nerve. all the govt’s cubicle keyboarders out protecting something by attacking questions.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @L.K
  104. @manton

    No children were killed for the purpose of staging the Sandy Hook “massacre”. Photos of children of the chosen actors/agents were inserted into the narrative to pose as the dead. In a further twist of chutzpah:

    • Replies: @manton
  105. manton says:
    @Lucius Somesuch

    OK, was this done on the spot? That is, were the supposed “dead” just made up right there and then? If an investigative reporter were to go and search birth certificates, school records, extra-curricular activities, interview neighbors, etc., what would he find? Nothing? Or has a whole elaborate backstory, with all the requisite records and traced, been created and planted for each of the 20 so-called victims?

    And wouldn’t that require a whole town full of people to all pretend to “remember” these non-existent kids in perpetuity? And never mess up and introduce inconsistent details into their stories?

    • Replies: @Lucius Somesuch
  106. @manton

    The real children of “participants” were inserted into the fictitious roles of the slain. All of the parents of the supposed slain were recent arrivals, and have since departed Newtown for greener pastures.

    What “reporter” is going to investigate these things? Anderson Cooper, who sat for “Grace”‘s parents’ intensely bizarre tribute to their Sharpies? This is an Alphabet Soup project, with interacting layers of people at various levels of “in the know”.

    Does all this sound impossibly mysterious? Well, last July I thought so too . . . until I started watching videos. And by “watching videos” I mean simply watch what the actual “participants” say and do.

    I’m sorry that this is so baffling and offensive and inassimilable a proposition to so many here, but the simple fact of the matter is that, after a certain point, the inconsistency, the sheer unreality of this hits you. Of course I can’t tell you exactly WHO and detail the logistics of it, but Sandy Hook is completely fake.

    With Fetzer’s book banned from amazon, who’s going to go talk to the Stepford (CIA) people about this? And what do you even need to hear from them? Their own testimony before the cameras is incomprehensible. The non-tears, the lugubrious “the children!!”, Robbie Parker’s Joker impression, the identikit 911 calls, the gofundmes, the total absence of medevac or any life-saving attempts, the official narrative’s presumption of leaving the dead bodies in the building all weekend, the disappearing and reappearing security camera in front of the building . . . .

    Just “Sandy Hook hoax” and watch. Laugh and much popcorn for as long as you can stand to– even push yourself to laugh, if you must. Sooner or later, something will click. I am as certain of Sandy Hook’s hoaxness as I am of certain death by leaping from a ten-story building.

    Oh, and Buzz, you’re neither the first nor the second ‘known name’ commenter in the alt-sphere to pull the “I know people who have friends who have friends who” crap. Pics or get off.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  107. @Mr. Anon

    yeah, i remember people in the 60’s saying that the gulf of tonkin incident was fabricated and they were shouted down as conspiracy nutcases.

    that cost 50,000 men their lives.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  108. manton says:

    So you’re saying that no one even bothered to try to fabricate 20 life stories, birth and school records, etc.? In other words, this could all be exposed a mediocre investigative reporter in less than one week?

    So why hasn’t it been?

  109. Mr. Anon says:
    @interesting

    “yeah, i remember people in the 60′s saying that the gulf of tonkin incident was fabricated and they were shouted down as conspiracy nutcases.”

    You remember? Which people? Who? Where was it written down. I’ve never read anything to the effect that people thought it was fabricated – perhaps that it was overblown. I believe that even LBJ said the sailors were shooting at nothing in the fog.

    Not all conspiracy theories are created equal.

  110. Mr. Anon says:
    @TomSchmidt

    “There does appear to be a vertical line in the same photo,”

    Which could happen any number of ways, short of photo-shopping.

  111. Mr. Anon says:
    @WorkingClass

    You implied it.

    And, yes that is exactly what a lot of conspiracy promoters say.

  112. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sam J.

    What you said about WTC 7, like what is always said about it in such discussions, is specious, unphysical, and incorrect. A bunch of people who know nothing about mechanics all of a sudden think they have something to say worth listening too.

    “What about the picture of Gene standing in front of a sign that says for people to sign in?”

    That picture was taken four days after the shooting, which fact can be found after about two or three minutes of Google searching for those not too lazy to do so.

    Intellectually lazy and gullible are the hallmarks of Sandyhook/911/Moon-landing-hoax conspiracist-floggers and their ilk. Thanks for posting. In future, I’ll know to ignore anything written by “Sam J.”.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sam J.
  113. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lucius Somesuch

    “I’m sorry that this is so baffling and offensive and inassimilable a proposition to so many here, but the simple fact of the matter is that, after a certain point, the inconsistency, the sheer unreality of this hits you. ”

    I think a lot of things seam unreal to those who are themselves strangers to reality.

    “Just “Sandy Hook hoax” and watch. Laugh and much popcorn for as long as you can stand to– even push yourself to laugh, if you must. Sooner or later, something will click.”

    Oh, I think something clicked in you a long time ago.

    • Replies: @utu
  114. @WorkingClass

    Come on. Priding yourself on being Working Class doesn’t excuse you from obeying elementary rules of logic. As I was the one who applied the word “nutter” to PCR I can only presume that you were responding to me and suggesting that my reasoning was faulty in the way indicated by you. Clearly I gave you no reason to suppose that my reason for calling him a nutter was his taking an interest in the reasons for certain photos having been photoshopped. As my form of words must have informed or reminded you I had previously concluded that PCR was a nutter and was pointing out that “even a nutter” who had had his attention drawn to oddities in some photos and begun to formulate hypotheses would have engaged in certain rational inquiries.

    Or were you not responding to me?

  115. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    One small point that the defenders of MSM account of Sandy Hook will perhaps explain is why, in the fourth picture above, which is said to show the evacuation of SH School on December 14, 2012 following the murder of 26 people, only about 15 children are visible, although during a drill conducted several months before the shooting, hundreds of students can be seen in what is alleged to be a photograph of the event.

    Also, will some adherent of the hoax theory explain why none of the 580 students surviving the massacre, or their parents, have come forward to deny the official story. I mean, if nothing happened at Sandy Hook that day, or if most of the students were for some reason not at school, would that not by now have come to light?

    Or if, in fact, there were not hundreds of students enrolled at Sandy Hook Elementary at the time of the alleged massacre, would that fact not have come to light?

    And finally, has there been any serious independent, on the ground, investigation of the case by someone asking questions such as these and many more? And if not, what are we really talking about?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  116. utu says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Hey, stop trolling.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  117. @Anonymous

    Mere idle speculation like PCR’s waste of time but at least you didn’t start it so I suppose you don’t hsve the same obligation to make obvious inquiries. But, frankly, your thoughts are naive and worthless. What deportment, what positioning of the arms would you suggest is one for security people watching an evacuation? (After the shooting was all over, do you know?).

    And do you know so little about spin, PR, news management, and a general preference for not stirring up nutters by engaging with their fantasies that you do not understand that the various authorities saw no need to prove the absurdity of speculations they knew were untrue and not given much credit by anyone?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  118. @Dr. X

    Why spoil a plausible argument with a silly remark at the end about not banning gasoline? How about more people died from misuse of prescription drugs than from homicide by gun but they don’t think of banning prescription drugs do they – or, just try to find a sillier more illogical analogue. How about drawing out the analogies between tobacco and guns…..

    But, as you have thought about gun control how do you explain the failure in most of the US to control sales to persons who have not been thoroughly vetted and approved for owning lethal weapons, particularly military weapons?

  119. @AndrewR

    You can’t be serious. Though you didn’t spell it out 100 per cent you are , as a matter of logic, expressing sympathy with telling lies to score political points against those whose views you loathe.

    That is, rightly or wrongly, what polemicists and some scholars attribute to the teachings of the Qu’ran and the Hadiths which allegedly justify Muslims using deceit in their dealings with unbelievers. Not good company.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  120. @Old fogey

    Aren’t there some more important truths to get at if only PCR would just get off his arse and do some serious investigating before emitting another cloud of smoke from his armchair?

  121. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    authorities saw no need to prove the absurdity of speculations they knew were untrue

    but what if they’re lying?

    PCR isn’t saying it was a conspiracy, he’s just pointing out some anomalies, and making inquiries.

    when some catastrophe happens, and then we find out the government was running a drill for just such a catastrophe, it behooves us to be a little suspicious of the ‘coincidence’ explanation, no?

    like on the morning of 911, they were running a drill for hijacked planes. Isn’t that something?

    or at the time of the Boston bombing, they were running a drill for a terrorist bombing

    so all these drills and then acts of terror or crazy people (that just happen to play exactly into the agenda of our government) just start to become a little odd, and we want to look a little closer, don’t we wizard?

    Would you just have us all believe them? Because they’re the government/media after all! And they would never lie to us!

    Hmm

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  122. @Keith

    To be responsible about this flight of fancy of yours (not an unintelligent hypothesis for investigation but not one that flies I think) you need to consider what it would take to contaminate the vast number of photos PCR says are a feature of the Sandy Hook story, given that they appear in a great variety of private media organs and compare that with the far simpler task of co-ordinating a handful of dissidents in a centralised Soviet organisation.

  123. @Rehmat

    When did Conrad Black get his Canadian citizenship back? What is it you are signalling by flaunting easily checked gross errors of fact on matters you appear to regard as important (well that’s the prima facie explanation for your mentioning them)?

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  124. @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for saying that. Let’s hope no one’s liberty ever depends on his vote on a jury! It makes you shudder doesn’t it?

  125. @Art

    Why do you usually pose as a barking anti-Semite when you can say something so sensible?

    • Replies: @Art
  126. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    the teachings of the Qu’ran and the Hadiths which allegedly justify Muslims using deceit in their dealings with unbelievers. Not good company

    have you ever heard of the Kol Nidre prayer wizard?

    Before sunset on the eve of Yom Kippur (“Day of Atonement”), the congregation gathers in the synagogue. The Ark is opened and two people take from it two Torah scrolls. Then they take their places, one on each side of the cantor, and the three (symbolizing a Beth Din or rabbinical court) recite:

    The cantor then chants the passage beginning with the words Kol Nidre with its touching melodic phrases, and, in varying intensities from pianissimo (quiet) to fortissimo (loud), repeats twice (for a total of three iterations) (lest a latecomer not hear them) the following words (Nusach Ashkenaz):

    “All vows we are likely to make, all oaths and pledges we are likely to take between this Yom Kippur and the next Yom Kippur, we publicly renounce. Let them all be relinquished and abandoned, null and void, neither firm nor established. Let our vows, pledges and oaths be considered neither vows nor pledges nor oaths.”[6][7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre

    I’m not a theologian, but from what I understand it’s basically a solemn Jewish religious promise that if you’re a Jew, then you’re never obliged to be honest with Gentiles, and that it’s perfectly OK to cheat them and betray them and deceive them, so long as doing so is ‘good for the Jews’.

    Isn’t that something wizard?

    there’s been a lot of handwringing over this prayer, because in the past in Europe it was seen as a cause of some anti-Semitism, so there are a lot of people saying that it has nothing to do with cheating or breaking oaths to Gentiles, but still, there are a lot of people who’re convinced that this is exactly what the prayer means.

    (BTW, for the record, I suspect that there’s very few Jews who actually take this prayer seriously, and find it just a quaint religious relic, much like I figure most Muslims (or Christians for that matter) consider much of their archaic religious precepts

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  127. @CanSpeccy

    Have you contacted Microsoft about the apparent misdating? Surely something as critical to demolishing accepted untruth should be followed up. Or do you know if anyone else has made the inquiry?

    And have you checked on the death certificate business you relate? And asked for reasons from whomever would be responsible? I guess it would require a court order to prevent disclosure of a death certificate. What do the Court records show about the reason for the order, who made the application, what evidence was advanced, and what reasons, if any, were given for granting the order? If what you say is in fact true I guess it might be a delaying order while some detail to be finalised for or about the certificate is tied up (could just be awaiting the end of coronial proceedings and any appeals).

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  128. @WorkingClass

    I haven’t noticed the hatred but I think some people get so sick of their time being wasted by a central corps of obsessives flanked by lightly armed part-time brain farters that they lose their good mannered ability to restrain the expression of contempt. On balance I think those with a mental problem, even if its illogic does manifest itself in crazily dogmatic and sometimes vicious language should be shown compassion rather than contempt. Difficult though.

  129. @Andrew E. Mathis

    Right – don’t bother. Save your energy for some denialist who has conscientiously and laboriously reinvented the denialists’ wheel and, say, written a book gathering it together.

  130. @bondo

    No, speaking for myself the nerve struck was sensitivity to his extraordinary lack of thought for the victims (since he doesn’t actually deny their existence) and his idle fiddling with under investigated and illconsidered factoids. So it was a matter of taste added to the usual disdain for the lack of common sense, let alone intelligence, he displays.

  131. @utu

    What do you mean by trolling? Are you seriously suggesting that Mr Anon actually accepts the PCR nonsense and is just making mischief?

  132. @Rurik

    Well I gave you occasion to say your piece but it has nothing to do with my criticism of someone’s argument on the ground that he has so little worldly experience that he doesn’t know why people with the most probative answers might not choose to publish them.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  133. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wow…………Roberts, you should just commit and have the balls to call Sandy Hook a ” false flag ” operation rather than blather on suggesting as much with your Photoshop theories . Pure cowardice……………There are plenty of kooks on this site who believe 9/11 and Sandy Hook are government conspiracies. Why equivocate and imply that you don’t believe these children were slaughtered sans death certificates and the like. Did you really need the check for the 1,500 words that badly or are you really that far gone ?

  134. bondo says:

    anybody remember the video of the parent (father) laughing then getting serious and grieving before press conference?

    i have tried to provide a link for responses from our govt contractors. the one below is all i could manage.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread909529/pg1

  135. @Rurik

    Interesting. Thanks. If I had known of the Kol Nidre prayer I might have used it as an additional comparison for the objectionable approval of lying which Andrew R seemed to indulging in.

  136. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    say your piece but it has nothing to do with my criticism of someone’s argument

    actually it does

    he has so little worldly experience that he doesn’t know why people with the most probative answers might not choose to publish them.

    I guess you’re talking about the government and why we should consider their unwillingness to come forward with all the evidence as likely proof of their honesty and veracity.

    But there again, it’s just like with 911. If they want to allay and lay to rest all the doubts and accusations, why not just publish the information? Why not show us all the videos from the Pentagon for instance? Why not show us real pictures of the dead Osama? Why not tell us what the “dancing Israelis’ said about having their camera set up to watch the first plane hit, and why they were celebrating after it hit the tower.

    I don’t know all that much about Sandy Hook, as I’ve said, but why is that guy ‘who lost a child’ seem to be all giggly before he’s interviewed, and then affects a sad demeanor when he thinks the cameras are running? Why? Has anyone asked him?

    Were they really running a “mock emergency drill” at the time Sandy Hook ‘happened?
    Really?
    Doesn’t that seem odd to you wizard, that during these suspicious and terrible crimes, that our government is always running drills at the exact same time for the exact kind of event?

    And that these are crimes that always suit to a tea T the known agenda of our government. They want to start wars to crush Israel’s rivals in the Middle East, we get 911- and their agenda is conveniently thrust upon the world. They want to disarm America, and we get Sandy Hook, (and God knows what else they’ve done) For all we know they might have sent automatic weapons to Mexican drug traffickers in their insane lust for m0re power.

    When it comes to their agendas, the means are hardly an obstacle to their ends wizard, wouldn’t you agree?

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  137. @vinteuil

    Trifles light as air
    Are to Paul Craig Roberts confirmations strong
    As proofs of holy writ.

    Hi Kermit,

    When we were last talking, I requested what real evidence there was that Abdelhamid Abaaoud really was some sort of “terrorist mastermind”. You then pointed me to the Wikipedia page about the incident. I pointed out to you that this hardly proof of the official story since all that Wikipedia ever does is summarize the official story. In other words, you were pointing to a summary of the official story as proof of the official story.

    Anyway, it appears that you don’t even understand what the “beg the question” fallacy is. Or maybe you do. I made that point and then you just walked away from the conversation.

    Hopefully one day you will understand that reading something in the MSM or Wikipedia doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true. Until then, you really have no business writing silly little ditties like this about a public intellectual of PCR’s caliber.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  138. Rehmat says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Sorry Moshe. Conrad Black’s mother like yours was Jewish, but mine was a Muslim from British India.

    BTW: Sir Conrad Black’s wife Barbara Ameil is also a Zionist Jew.

    Conrad Black along with his half-Jewish friend Murdoch owns 75% of mainstream media in the US, UK and Australia.

    In 2010, the disgraced Israel-Firster media tycoon, Rupert Murdoch, was honored by one of America’s top Israel lobby groups, ADL, for his “stalwart support of Israel and his commitment to promoting respect and speaking out against anti-Semitism”.

    In June 2012, former British prime minister Tony Blair’s ex-communications director, Alastair Campbell claimed in his diaries published by British daily ‘The Guardian’ – that Murdoch called Blair on March 11, 2003 – eight days before US invasion of Iraq – urging him not to do anything that could delay the start of the invasion (for Israel).

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/06/17/alastair-campbell-murdoch-pushed-blair-into-iraq-war/

  139. @Wizard of Oz

    Even a nutter like PCR must know that elementary decency, not just credibility, requires him to do a little more evidence gathering than…

    Wizard,

    The last time we were talking on this site was in the comment section of the article I wrote a couple of weeks ago. In that article, I linked to a video of a mass beheading that is obviously fake. It’s totally obviously fake, if you watch it. I refer to the video that can be viewed here:

    libyanwarthetruth.com/isis-beheading-video-libya-hoax

    You then started arguing on a priori grounds that the video was genuine, declining to actually watch it yourself and see that it is fake. That was here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/battling-the-matrix-and-freeing-oneself-from-the-roger-rabbit-mental-world/#comment-1333892

    In the article, I coined the term HIQI for “High IQ idiot”. A HIQI can reach levels of idiocy that a normal idiot can never attain. A normal low IQ person would never argue on a priori grounds that it must be sunny outside when you tell him it’s raining and then refuse to look out the window.

    Anyway, somebody who argues that an obviously fake video must be genuine and then refuses to look at it himself has no business accusing other people of being deficient in evidence gathering. That really takes some nerve.

  140. Rehmat says:

    On February 20, 2016, professor James Fetzer (University of Minnesota )debunked the so-called ‘Official Story’ related to 9/11, Sandy Hook school shooting, Boston Marathon Bombing, San Bernardino shooting, and Paris shooting at University Friends Center, Seattle, WA. Listen to his presentation below.

    Read here other opinions on 9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon bombing, San Bernardino shooting and Paris shooting.

    According to Russian journalist, Marina Portnaya, 95% of the so-called “domestic terrorist events” investigated by the FBI, were in fact created by the FBI. Watch a video below.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/07/false-flags-from-911-to-sandy-hook-and-beyond/

  141. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Have you contacted Microsoft about the apparent misdating? Surely something as critical to demolishing accepted untruth should be followed up. Or do you know if anyone else has made the inquiry?

    Someone did, I think, get a response from a Microsoft technician to the effect that the cache date was correct, but whether any record of that communication is now available, I don’t know. I haven’t had an opportunity to check. I suppose someone could ask Microsoft now.

    I have no idea why the Sandy Hook victims’ death certificates were not released prior to the successful FOI request.

    I followed some of the discussion about Sandy Hook in the weeks immediately following the event, but was not engaged in any systematic research into what happened.

    One line of investigation that conspiracy theorists seem not to have pursued is the possibility of false evidence being created to elicit conspiracy theories that can then be exploded, thereby cooling public interest in what may have been real SCADs, such as 9/11 is widely believed to have been. All the seemingly nonsensical stuff about mini-nukes and beam weapons taking down the Twin Towers, could have been generated for that reason.

    Likewise, could the video of a strangely cheerful Robbie Parker addressing the cameras about the tragic murder of his daughter be faked evidence of a conspiracy to set off futile and nonsensical conspiracy theorizing?

    In that case, was there a real state orchestrated mass murder dressed up as a fake mass murder to discredit conspiracy theorists, or was a real tragedy modified on the fly by state actors to make fools of conspiracy theorists. Such ideas tend to make one’s head spin, but after the Kennedy, Wallace, and MLK assassinations, Tonkin Gulf, the SS Liberty and 9/11, the US Government has reason to discourage conspiracy theories, and the means to do so with a $40 billion plus intel/black ops agencies budget.

    Similarly, perhaps, the supposedly faked injuries (according to James Tracy) of some victims of the Boston bombings could have been arranged for the same purpose, to create the impression that the entire incident had been faked, thereby setting off crazy and ultimately ridiculous conspiracy theories. Yet we can be pretty sure that there were many and severe injuries sustained in that incident, as I related here.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  142. @Rurik

    Hi again, Rurik.

    I don’t know all that much about Sandy Hook, as I’ve said, but why is that guy ‘who lost a child’ seem to be all giggly before he’s interviewed, and then affects a sad demeanor when he thinks the cameras are running?

    I think it’s pretty safe to say that he didn’t just lose a child. He’s an actor.

    Were they really running a “mock emergency drill” at the time Sandy Hook ‘happened?
    Really?

    Yeah, apparently. I don’t know why PCR declines to mention this. It’s the biggest dead giveaway, isn’t it?

    Doesn’t that seem odd to you wizard, that during these suspicious and terrible crimes, that our government is always running drills at the exact same time for the exact kind of event?

    Nah, I reckon the Wizard thinks it’s just a coincidence.

    Of course, it’s not, obviously. I guess they do it because it gives them extra degrees of freedom operationally. For example, if something goes wrong and they have to call off the operation, then all the exposed evidence of what they were preparing can be explained away as just part of the drill. Whatever evidence comes to light later that indicates their preparations and also foreknowledge, that can be explained away as being related to the drill.

    Also, they can openly hire crisis actors and so on to participate in the drill. Then, I’m pretty sure that, often, staged events from the drill are filmed and presented as part of the real event. There was that in the Boston Marathon thing, some guy who was already a multiple amputee, a crisis actor, who supposedly got his legs blown off that day. Fake blood….

    Anyway, yeah, there are almost always drills going on when the real event (or staged event or whatever) goes down, it seems. Of course, it’s not a coincidence. But all the HIQI’s here like the Wizard (the biggest HIQI of them all, it seems) doubtless think it’s all a coincidence.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  143. @Wizard of Oz

    Your hatefulness is perfumed by elegant prose. PCR is casting doubt. Casting doubt is your forte. You and he are on opposite sides. That is all.

  144. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You’re Jewish. Roberts has more credibility in his pinkie than you do.

  145. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Likewise, could the video of a strangely cheerful Robbie Parker addressing the cameras about the tragic murder of his daughter be faked evidence of a conspiracy to set off futile and nonsensical conspiracy theorizing?

    Here’s another piece of phony evidence of a Sandy Hook conspiracy.

  146. Rurik says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Hello JR,

    I think it’s pretty safe to say that he didn’t just lose a child. He’s an actor

    I suspect so, but I wonder why something as cut and dry as ‘did this guy’s daughter die’ is apparently so difficult to determine with the tools available to us all, like the Internet. Somebody must know this guy. Somebody must know if that girl was his daughter and if she recently died or at least is no longer living with him, no?

    Seems strange to me that something like that can be obscured for so long, with so many people wondering what exactly happened, or didn’t.

    I don’t know why PCR declines to mention this. It’s the biggest dead giveaway, isn’t it?

    I don’t think he’s given it all that much energy. Perhaps that’s why he plopped it down here, for us to hash it out.

    BTW, I consider PCR as one of the good guys, even if I don’t always agree with him.

    exposed evidence of what they were preparing can be explained away as just part of the drill.

    I think that’s exactly what they did on 911. When people naturally ask- ‘Why weren’t jets scrambled to intercept the hijacked planes?!’ ‘Because we were running a drill, and we just all thought those hijacked planes were part of the drill !’ Why did NORAD and SAC stand down? It was part of the drill !

    There was that in the Boston Marathon thing, some guy who was already a multiple amputee, a crisis actor, who supposedly got his legs blown off that day.

    I know! That was very telling for me. That photo of the guy with his leg “blown off”, with all the blood and trauma, and he was a double amputee to begin with.

    In fact they gave him a fake leg for his other missing leg to make it seem more real, and then there was a video were the fake leg was falling off, and they had to go and put it back on.

    I don’t think the wizard is a HIOI. I think he’s a shill.

    cheers JR

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  147. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Why do you usually pose as a barking anti-Semite when you can say something so sensible?

    Wiz,

    I am not a bad guy – I am on the side of the angles.

    I am someone with buyer’s remorse – I supported Israel for a long time.

    But as time went on – I could not be honest and still support how the Palestinians are being treated. The litany of abuse is too long.

    Also one could not be an observer of America’s political scene, and not resent how America’s Zi0nist Jews have manipulated our culture in support of Israel.

    Art

  148. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Guns kill people like spoons make Oprah fat!

  149. vinteuil says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Should’ve known you’d be in on the Sandy Hook thing.

    “…you were pointing to a summary of the official story as proof of the official story…”

    Nope. But there’s obviously no point in trying to explain this to you.

    “I made that point and then you just walked away from the conversation.”

    Sorry – I got bored.

  150. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik wrote:
    ‘I don’t think the wizard is a HIOI. I think he’s a shill”.

    That is right, Jonathan Revusky was much too nice to wizard…
    Come to think of it, even u were too nice, rurik.
    The guy is just a total as*hole. He should go get a job. oh, wait, maybe trolling is his job.

    BTw, all these cheap PCR haters ain’t worth half of the man’s toenail.
    Furthermore, it is interesting to see how such disgusting types always show up to pester Mr.Unz not to publish this or that writer which they do not like.
    Oh, but they r all for free speech, unless they don’t like what one has to say.
    Scumbags, the lot of them.

    Ps: I hold no definitive views on Sandy Hook and a bunch of other events – mass shootings and terrorist acts – that have taken place in recent years, given that I have not done enough research into them(most folks dont have the time or resources).
    9-11 is a different story though, given its enormous importance, I did look into it in great detail and the official story is pure horseshit.
    Anyways, there appear to be many anomalies in regards to many of these recent shooting/terrorist incidents and given that the presstitutes and governments always lie to us, I welcome those like Prof.James Tracy, who have been looking at these things from various interesting angles.
    It is quite strange that since Tracy’s arguments are supposed to be so weak and even preposterous, the university where he taught terminated his employment there, even though he was a tenured professor.
    Knowing how things work re the holohoax, in countries such as ZUSA, where there are no holo denial laws and free speech is supposedly constitutionally guaranteed, it appears that Tracys(& co) objections re the Sandy Hook incident(and others) may not be so absurd after all.

    The following interview with Prof. James Tracy re Free Speech is very illuminating and worth listening to. If u don’t have the time to listen to all of it, go to 25:00
    Sandy Hook & The High Cost of Free Speech — Prof. James Tracy

  151. L.K says:
    @bondo

    BONDO wrote:

    dont get the part about the “palestinians do better work than this”

    another jew stabbing the palestinians at any opportunity?

    Yep, that one was not very sutil now, was it?

    bondo:

    pcr hit a very exposed nerve. all the govt’s cubicle keyboarders out protecting something by attacking questions.

    You nailed it.

  152. L.K says:

    Re 9-11, I have seen quite a few quacks and shills who defend the official BS story claim that
    9-11 “truthers” are a bunch of know nothings.
    Well, in fact there are hundreds of physicists, mathematicians, high rise architects, structural engineers, chemical & materials engineers, demolition & explosive experts, etc, who have looked into the evidence and concluded that the official story is a pack of lies.
    9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out

  153. Boris says:

    I knew Unz published racist and antu-semitic nonsense, but now Sandy Hook denial? I can only assume he will be pushing child rape next. Not officially at the bottom yet, but getting close.

    • Replies: @L.K
  154. @manton

    Oh, well – at least we tried! (Instead the thread has progressively become more insane instead of less.)

  155. L.K says:
    @Boris

    “I knew Unz published racist and antu-semitic nonsense….”

    YAWWNNNN…

    • Replies: @Boris
  156. Boris says:
    @L.K

    Obviously it must be upsetting to some committed racists to see their RealTalk mingling with the equivalent of flat-eartherism. Maybe if you can just convince them that not everyone with the skills to upload a YouTube vid is a Photoshop expert. Yeah, that should solve your problem.

  157. @The Alarmist

    Yes, this is rather jarring, isn’t it? Rather like the unseemly haste with which the debris from the collapse of the towers from 9/11 was removed, melted down, or otherwise put beyond use as evidence.

    Not how one should anticipate responsible, truth-seeking “authorities” to behave with a crime scene. One loses all probative value reconstructing events and timelines when the debris is rapidly carted away, or the scene of the crime is not only destroyed, but atomized. Like in Kiev after the coup when all of the trees in the Maiden area that bore ballistic evidence from the gunfire were immediately cut down, carted away, and destroyed.

    All of these events undeniably happened, but how can one form an opinion of what happened and how it happened when physical artifacts from the scene with evidentiary value are hastily destroyed?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  158. @JerseyJeffersonian

    All of these events undeniably happened, but how can one form an opinion of what happened and how it happened when physical artifacts from the scene with evidentiary value are hastily destroyed?

    Undeniably happened? Well, okay. Something or other happened. That’s undeniable. Anyway, what about this one?

    http://theweek.com/articles/477792/4-reasons-pakistan-demolished-bin-ladens-compound

  159. Sam J. says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon said,”…What you said about WTC 7, like what is always said about it in such discussions, is specious, unphysical, and incorrect. A bunch of people who know nothing about mechanics all of a sudden think they have something to say worth listening too…”

    Notice they never talk about the actual events. Always “claim to authority” of which they are not. You will have a difficult time with me because I’ll just show you the actual building and you can argue with that.

    The Spoofers (as opposed to Truthers) keep lying about the fires or lack thereof. Look for yourself and see the fires or lack thereof. Here’s a video of reporters going into building #7 AFTER the North tower supposedly fell on it and destroyed it sufficiently enough for it to collapse completely. Look at :54 you see the #7 for the building on the door.

    Now you’ve seen video of the inside where there is NO massive damage to make all four sides of the building fall. You want pictures of the back? Here’s a picture of the South side of building #7, facing the North tower, after it had fallen. There is no huge gaping hole. There is no massive fire going all the way up the building. So you can’t say it’s the other side and we have plenty of video and pictures of the North side of building #7 pictures with no damage at all.

    Here’ another NIST FOIA released video taken between one and two hours before building #7 fell. There’s around three floors on fire.

    (Watch the reporter pan up at 2:54. You can clearly see the whole building is not on fire. This side shown is the North side of building #7. Later you can see the fires mostly around three or four floors only and in isolated spots.)
    If the fires were hot enough to melt steel then why isn’t the glass in the windows melted? Glass melts at an extremely lower temperature that steel. Ever put a metal can and a glass bottle in a campfire? The glass bottle melts but the steel can will still be intact. These fires were no hotter than a campfire. One last video of all sides from 23 angles also showing the miraculous collapse.

    Fireman retired so now he can talk. He was right next to the damn building. Says,”…there was an explosion and the building came down…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws

    For more info look at a site by some engineers that lay out the evidence.

    http://www.ae911truth.org/

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  160. @Rurik

    Somebody must know this guy. Somebody must know if that girl was his daughter and….

    I honestly have no idea how one goes about looking into any of this. I suppose if somebody is a private detective, this is elementary tradecraft. I guess the same for real investigative journalists — assuming any actually exist!

    My reasoning goes about this far: if the guy in the video doing the bereaved parent number is an actor, and man, it sure looks like it…. then Robbie Parker is not a real person, so any attempts to locate that guy and his family will fail. Of course, the immediate search for a guy named Robert Parker will turn up a shitload of matches initially, since there must be so many. It’s a pretty generic name. But none of those will be that guy, who is an actor, who presumably has a completely different name…

    I can understand why people can’t believe that this could be a hoax. I mean, it is mind-boggling that they could just invent some fictitious people, put actors in there to portray them, and just think they’ll get away with it… but hey, if they can do a controlled demolition on a steel-framed skyscraper and say the thing collapsed perfectly symmetrically from uncontrolled fires, then…

    I mean to say, there’s a certain audacity in these things that is just mind-blowing. The thing is that if people get away with it every time, they get very confident, and maybe somewhat sloppy.

    But anyway, when you say “somebody must know this guy”, well, yeah, if he’s a real person, but if this is a fictional individual and fictional family, then nobody knows them. Of course, you could have false witnesses who say they know them. I mean, there are people who will say anything for a few bucks, so they could say: “Yeah, I knew the Parkers, wonderful people blah blah”. And they might be actors too! Or real people bullshitting for whatever reason… payoffs, threats…

    Any real investigation, especially with teeth, like subpoena power, where people are at risk of perjuring themselves, that would surely get to the bottom of something like this, but I’m not sure that we have the tools to do so….

    Oh, BTW, Rurik, if you dig Robbie Parker, check out these kids:

    This is supposedly like the same day or day after their mother was gunned down in a church there in South Carolina. Watch that. You think those kids just lost their momma?

    BTW, I consider PCR as one of the good guys, even if I don’t always agree with him.

    Yeah, in my book he’s definitely one of the good guys. I don’t always agree with him either, I suppose, but that would apply to anybody. I can’t think offhand of any one person out there I agree with more frequently than PCR.

    I think that’s exactly what they did on 911. When people naturally ask- ‘Why weren’t jets scrambled to intercept the hijacked planes?!’

    Well, yeah, the drills they were running must be a key thing. I mean, look, once you look at that and understand that the people running the drill have the technical capacity to put a blip on an air traffic controller’s radar screen representing a plane and that person cannot distinguish that from a real plane, has to ask whether it’s real or part of the drill… this must be a key part of how they pulled off the operation… must be! (Though I’m not sure of all the technical details…)

    But it’s totally obvious that the drills are an important part, operationally, of pulling the whole thing off. The idea that this is just a coincidence, like the terrorists decided on some day to do this and just by chance chose the same day they were running these drills… I mean, that’s crazy coincidence theory for sure.

    If they hadn’t made such a cock-up of building 7, announcing the collapse before it happened and all that, then the conjunction of the drills with the real event might be the biggest single giveaway! But as things stand, I think it’s building 7. (In my essay, I didn’t even bother to mention the drills since building 7 is already enough. Besides, the essay is only partially about 9/11.)

    That photo of the guy with his leg “blown off”, with all the blood and trauma, and he was a double amputee to begin with.

    My bet on that is that that guy didn’t even know that he was participating in a hoax. Probably he thought he was a crisis actor helping them make the drill more realistic.

    Like, think about it. Here’s the approximate story. Like, imagine you’re just some guy, not very skilled or educated, you come from some small town that’s one of these economic dead zones. You have no prospects in this economy. So you join the military. They pack you off to Iraq and now you’re unlucky enough to get your legs blown off. Oh shit. You come back to the States and your job prospects are worse than they were ever before because you have all the same problems, economy is no better, AND you’re missing your legs!

    So… they say, we’ve got a job for you. We run these realistic terrorist drills, bombings, to train first responders and you can simulate somebody who just got his legs blown off. I mean, the job could even be kinda fun, right? But anyway, you take the job regardless because you haven’t got any other job prospect anyway. So one day you’re doing your job, pretending to get your legs blown off. And then they use the damned footage and say that you’re a victim that got his legs blown off that day for real!

    And then you get a visit and they basically tell you to shut up. Okay, it was a confusion but why give fuel to these damned conspiracy theorists by admitting that you already were missing your legs…. oh, and you’re a good guy, here’s some extra money to put in your pocket… so you keep quiet….

    I figure it went down something like that, no? More or less.. What do you figure?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  161. MarkinLA says:
    @Sam J.

    If the fires were hot enough to melt steel then why isn’t the glass in the windows melted? Glass melts at an extremely lower temperature that steel. Ever put a metal can and a glass bottle in a campfire? The glass bottle melts but the steel can will still be intact. These fires were no hotter than a campfire.

    You don’t have to heat a metal to it’s melting point to weaken it to the point of failure. Heating a metal and letting it cool slowly is the process known as annealing and is used to make it soft and pliable. It’s tensile strength is greatly reduced after this has occurred. What you should do with that steel can is see if it is easier to bend now. You have all that mass above the weakened point.

    http://www.technologystudent.com/equip1/heat3.htm

  162. @MarkinLA

    You don’t have to heat a metal to it’s melting point to weaken it to the point of failure.

    Look, this just gets ridiculous and pathetic when people don’t even make any honest attempt to understand the basic parameters of the discussion.

    There is simply no way that uncontrolled, undirected fires ever cause a perfectly symmetrical collapse of the building at free-fall speed. The forty-odd steel columns have to give way simultaneously. Within the same split second. There is no way that the fires can cause all the steel columns to heat uniformly and fail at precisely the same moment!

    The gradual rise in temperature of the columns you are describing would cause the thing to sag and it would be highly asymmetrical because there is no way that the heat of the fire would apply uniformly to all the columns. Obviously, some columns would heat up to the required temperature before others did.

    Are you unable to see this or are you being wilfully obtuse? There is simply no way that uncontrolled fires produce the kind of perfectly symmetrical collapse at free-fall speed that is recorded on video for building 7. It is a controlled demolition. There is expert testimony from more than one demolitions expert that you can see on the ae911 truth site where these people say it is a controlled demolition and that there is no other feasible explanation.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  163. geokat62 says:
    @MarkinLA

    You don’t have to heat a metal to it’s melting point to weaken it to the point of failure.

    Precisely. This is exactly what Ryan Mackey, a rocket scientist that works at NASA’s Jet Proplusion Labratory, explains in a video interview on Hardfire. Here’s part of a comment I posted on another thread:

    [MORE]

    For those who are truly seeking the truth and are not 100% convinced they have already found it, I recommend reading all 306 pages (including the appendices) of a paper published back in 2008 by Ryan Mackey, It is a response to David Ray Griffen’s response to Popular Mechanic’s response to David Ray Griffen’s original book on 9/11.

    1. Here is a summary of Mackey’s paper:

    In this paper, we examine the claims of Dr. David Ray Griffin regarding the NIST investigation into the World Trade Center disasters, and find those claims to be unfounded. All 18 major claims are discussed and rigorously dismissed, and a further analysis of the text reveals an overwhelming density of factual and logical errors. This paper refutes Dr. Griffin’s major claims, supporting with evidence that the aircraft impacts were expected to significantly damage the structures, that the resulting fires were of both sufficient temperature and duration to cause structural collapse, that a progressive collapse resulting in total destruction of the Towers was the likely result, and that the “controlled demolition” hypothesis is speculative and unsupported by any evidence. We also discuss the anticipated NIST report on World Trade Center Seven. The author highlights the fundamental sources of errors present in Dr. Griffin’s research and provides a template to evaluate future claims using resources available in open literature.

    http://www.911myths.com/drg_nist_review_1_1.pdf

    2. Here’s a chronology of relevant publications for those who’d like to do their own research:

    March 2004 – David Ray Griffin, The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11

    July 2004 – 9/11 Commission Report

    March 2005 – Popular Mechanics, “9/11: Debunking the Myths”

    March 2007 – David Ray Griffin, Debunking 9/11 Debunking

    August 2007 – Ryan Mackey, On Debunking 9/11 Debunking

    May 2008 – Ryan Mackey, On Debunking 9/11 Debunking (Updated version, which addresses critical responses starting on page 165, including Jim Hoffman, Maintaining the Mirage: A Foray Into the Fallacy Factory of the Demolition Deniers, December 2007 (updated version May, 2008) and Kevin Ryan, The Short Reign of Ryan Mackey)

    3. Here’s a little information on the background of the two leading dramatis personae:

    Ryan Mackey is a research scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, specializing in vehicle autonomy and Integrated Systems Health Management for aircraft and spacecraft. He is a graduate of the University of California, Santa Cruz and the Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories at the California Institute of Technology (GALCIT). He has authored sixteen NASA Tech Briefs and Technical Reports, and received two United States Patents for his original research. He has contributed to numerous projects including the Joint Strike Fighter, NASA’s New Millennium Program and Project Constellation. His introduction to fringe beliefs regarding September 11th and the works of Dr. Griffin came through informal Internet discussions hosted by the James Randi Educational Foundation, a nonprofit organization dedicated to raising public awareness of paranormal and pseudoscientific fraud. While the author pursues this effort independently of these and any other organizations, he is indebted to them for their contributions to science, education, and critical thinking.

    David Ray Griffin is a retired American professor of philosophy of religion and theology, and a political writer.

    4. Here’s an essay written by Ryan Mackey, The Great Internet Conspiracy, The Role of Technology and Social Media in the 9/11 Truth Movement (Version 1.0, 2 November 2011)

    Excerpt from page 7 of 83:

    “This is the great paradox of the Truth Movement. While the sheer volume of its sound and fury is daunting, none of it is particularly clever or interesting when taken individually. Out of the entire space of argument I entered, spanning topics as diverse as modeling the fireball size and plume motion following United 93’s impact, to time analysis of RADAR returns over Manhattan, to estimating kinetic effects of American Airlines 77 impacting an industrial generator on its way to the Pentagon, I cannot recall even a single instance of being stumped or worrying that the Truth Movement might finally have found something incontrovertible. This is not to say I was always the best educated on the subject, or even that I was always correct. There were several instances where I was quite mistaken, as will happen to anyone now and then. But in every such case, we were able to work through the problem, and the point of contention simply did not lead to the conclusion, succinctly put, that “9/11 was an inside job.” I learned many things from this exercise, but usually my opponents did not. The Truthers preferred to quibble over minute details, searching in vain for any means to continue the argument, using any distraction or excuse to avoid admitting problems with their beliefs. It grew rather tedious.”

    http://www.911myths.com/tgitc_1_0_final.pdf

    5. Hardfire: 3-part interview with Ryan Mackey on The Physics of 9/11

    http://youtu.be/gUazHEBlDGI

    http://youtu.be/yvYFCWcxVtM

    http://youtu.be/ZsDn6es7mtk

    6. Hardfire: 3-part debate b/w Ryan Mackey and Tony Szamboti (mechanical engineer) on The Collapses of Twin Towers

    http://youtu.be/n1u3KO9kUdE

    http://youtu.be/Guz04iFYxXY

    http://youtu.be/kDvDND9zNUk

    7. Democracy Now debates between Loose Change creators and POPULAR MECHANICS (starting @ 17:17)

    http://youtu.be/fVQ1-o6FKxA

    So, I invite all UR commenters to go through all of this material with an open mind and encourage them to reach their own conclusions.

  164. MarkinLA says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You are looking it like a child with a tinker toy not like a weakened structure trying to hold up tens of thousands if not millions of tons of mass. That mass wants to come straight down and once it starts moving it picks up momentum magnifying that force. The kinetic energy of a moving mass increases by the square of the velocity.

    Nothing in the pictures of the buildings coming down is coming straight down. There is debris flowing out sideways all over the place as the floor above slam into the lower floors.

    Everything you write is speculative BS. Did you time the floors falling to see if they are exactly in line with a free fall or is it .95 of a free fall? How do you know what the failure mode of a building with weakened columns is? The idea that it will fail in some corner and bend over sideways would only happen if the mass above the failure point was insignificant compared the strength of the columns.

    This whole false flag operation stuff depends on a lot of speculation. It had to be planned in the Clinton administration. Work had to start then as well. The Bush administration had to keep their mouths shut and let it continue. It was unnecessary to get us into war, a simple crash of the airliners into the ocean and the paper trail of the hijackers would have sufficed. This job is way too big for somebody not to have squealed by now.

  165. @MarkinLA

    Stick to playing with Jenga, Mark. You’ll never get it because you don’t want to, perhaps it would challenge the nice little fairytales that compose your worldview. Building 7’s collapse is THE smoking gun that could and should expose the crimes that will eventually result in the USA being just a second rate nation, that is after it’s military has been pimped to destroy much of the planet and the perpetrators will come to see a powerful US as a barrier to their global union of controlled economies.

    It is people like you, the coincidence theorists, who unwittingly (How else could it be in your case?) serve the cause of America’s greatest enemies by sowing doubt and blocking intelligent debate.

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  166. MarkinLA says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Nice incoherent rant you got going there.

  167. Sam J. says:

    Here we see in action the process of “Jew Dust”. Like a gorilla throws a bunch of dust in the air to frighten his foes a Jew throws arguments in the air to confuse his foes.

    Notice MarkinLA just completely skips over the fact that the temperature to anneal steel is higher than that to turn glass into liquid. To make things worse you have to hold that temperature for a good while to anneal the steel. Where’s the melted glass? Even then he shows his ignorance by not understanding that annealing doesn’t make the steel weaker from a TOTAL energy standpoint. It just makes it stiffer. So if the steel bends it also takes a larger amount of force/energy to get it to separate. They make a big deal out of the building not being able to stand up to the force of a plane hitting it but…it did. It didn’t fall right away. Ok so now they’re saying the fire annealed the metal making it fall but then how come even after the steel had annealed it was still standing?????? Here’s a picture of a person standing in the hole made by the plane. If it was so hot how could they be there? How come the building is not falling on them immediately??? Are they now going to say there’s some MAGIC time delay anneal??? Anneal plus twenty minutes and then the steel loses strength.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc1_woman.html

    Maybe next they will say this is a magic ceramic Women who can’t melt.

    I must say the quality of the Hasbara is going down rapidly. Maybe the smart ones know that their conspiratorial efforts to explain away 9-11 will end up with them in jail or worse.

    Also notice they confuse building #7, not hit by a plane, with buildings #1 and #2 which were. I mostly talk about #7 as it’s so blatantly clear the building was demoed but I can easily talk about 1 and 2 also it just takes a few more words.

    I read the pdf he linked and the guy is already in trouble in the first 12 pages. He separates the strength of the outer core from the inner to explain the collapse but it really doesn’t as the outer core broke up into nice 20 foot sections mostly. They shouldn’t have broke at all. At the worst they should have peeled off from the inner and remained connected.

    They make a great deal of the mass of the upper section falling but duhh the bottom is designed to take the mass of the upper and if it fell it would have slowly bent the steel. We see, as I’ve said above , all this anneal talk is just more Jew Dust. The whole thing is just Jew Dust.

    If you want to understand the Jews you just have to realize they are a tribe of psychopaths. Not all but a lot. In order to predict Jews behavior read the great book on Psychopaths by Hervey Cleckley, “The Mask of Sanity”. Here’s a chapter all should read. It’s about Stanley. Who does all kinds of manic bullshit and spends all his time feeding people the most outrageous lies. Maybe it will remind you of a certain tribe. New meme. “They’re pulling a Stanley”. The whole book is on the web and worth reading.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

    This is why they just repeat the same lies over and over. It does work sometimes but once you understand they’re just empty shells like smart lizards they cease to impress. Eventually people throw them out of their country because no one can stand to be around psychopaths.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  168. Sam J. says:

    Forgot something. MarkinLA says,
    “…This whole false flag operation stuff depends on a lot of speculation. It had to be planned in the Clinton administration…”

    Like how the WTC was blown up by a truck bomb and the FBI GAVE THE EXPLOSIVES to the terrorist!!!! The FBI also recorded them mixing the explosives. The FBI said they lost the van but couldn’t they have just called up the WTC security and told them to stop all trucks.

    The more you people bring up the easier it is to show you as buffoons. The “spoofers” are not only ineffectual but stupid.

    http://12160.info/group/demand911truthnow/forum/topics/who-bombed-the-world-trade-center-in-1993-fbi-bomb-builders-expos

    http://physics911.net/nuclearfalseflag/

  169. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Why the Hell is everyone talking about 9/11, when the topic is Sandy Hook?

    It seems that the discussion of conspiracy theories has been so poisoned by lunatics, Crass Bumstein’s cognitive infiltraitors, and members of the public who are just generally mentally fucked-up by America’s wonderful combination of so-called education, alleged news, and porno-tainment that no one is capable of saying anything whatever that is relevant to the topic under discussion.

  170. Rurik says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    More or less.. What do you figure?

    probably JR, from the looks of it

    there’s a video posted above by LK that has some interesting points

    they all know that in the case of Australia for instance, that all it took was one event, the “Port Arthur massacre” to disarm Australia. Same for other countries, and I think it’s a valid question to wonder if they figured they could use Sandy Hook for the same purpose.

    We all know they want America disarmed. And we all know why: power. So it isn’t that much of a leap to imagine that they’d cynically use or foist such an event for such a purpose.

    BTW, I have a theory as to why people want the guns. There’s three main reasons or three groups. One are the Bambi lovers who think guns are used to kill Bambi or left around the house where ‘children’ are using them to kill themselves or other ‘children’ in pandemic numbers. / Then there are the people who’ve marinated in the narrative of white racist men who use guns to oppress minorities. They want to disarm whitey specifically in order so that black men (in particular) can give whitey some well-deserved comeuppance. Slap him around some, and humiliate him. There are more white liberals in this camp than blacks or browns, but I consider people like Obama and Eric Holder in that camp. / And then you get to the really scary ones. They’re the Diane Feinsteins and Chucky Schumers and Hillary Clintons. They want the guns so that all obstacles to their total power over everyone can finally be realized. They’re this guy

    and they’re motivated by the darkest demons lurking in the dankest depts that a human being can have at his reptilian core. Pure, raw hatred of mankind. And an uncontrollable need to crush the human spirit under their power.

    They are the ones who would do something like Sandy Hook, because their insatiable imperative for power over others is absolute. There are some very ugly aspects to the human condition, and Orwell knew it all too well.

  171. @MarkinLA

    You are looking it like a child with a tinker toy not like a weakened structure trying to hold up tens of thousands if not millions of tons of mass.

    Excuse me, how many steel-framed skyscrapers have collapsed in a perfectly symmetrical manner from uncontrolled, undirected fires? In all of history, how many times has this happened?

    Nothing in the pictures of the buildings coming down is coming straight down.

    It is sufficiently straight down and uniform that demolitions experts have testified that it must be a controlled demolition. The Dutch guy, Danny Jowenko. Also a demolitions specialist by named Sullivan, I think, in various ae911truth videos, testifies that it’s a CD. Others. What motive do these people to be lying about this?

    Everything you write is speculative BS.

    Project much?

    This whole false flag operation stuff depends on a lot of speculation.

    Excuse me, since you apparently believe in the official story, that these attacks were orchestrated by Osama Bin Laden, from faroff Afghanistan, could you please summarize what, in your opinion is the strongest evidence available that this is true?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  172. Rurik says:
    @MarkinLA

    It was unnecessary to get us into war, a simple crash of the airliners into the ocean and the paper trail of the hijackers would have sufficed

    it requires a finely tuned antenna to sniff out the lying shills vs. the easily duped

    I happily include Mark here in the former ; )

    This job is way too big for somebody not to have squealed by now.

    people don’t squeal. We know this because self-interest is too strong. Just look at how many years it took for the US Liberty false flag to come to the surface, and even now, when all the murderous cowards and treacherous scum who committed that heinous and depraved act of evil against an ally are still not brought in chains to face their justice in a US court of law, before they’re made to swing at the end of a rope.

    Rather they’re sill hiding safely in Israel, protected not just by the war criminals in the government over there, but more importantly by the complicit and traitorous government here in the US.

    So you see, monstrous acts of murderous evil can be perpetrated and covered up indefinitely when the tentacles of treachery infect not just your government, but your media too. And we all know beyond any doubt whatsoever that our media is controlled and corrupt completely, don’t we? Eh Mark?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  173. MarkinLA says:
    @Sam J.

    It just makes it stiffer.

    I didn’t realize that pliable meant stiffer? That is what annealing does it makes it softer and more pliable, and certainly not stiffer. The fires are inside the building you don’t know what the temperature is inside.

    FYI to make a steel harder (and stiffer) you heat and quench it (cool it down fast) usually with oil but water or salt water will do in a pinch.

    Ok so now they’re saying the fire annealed the metal making it fall but then how come even after the steel had annealed it was still standing?

    It is standing but the material is weakened to its failure point. It is coming down it is just a matter of time as the stress fractures accumulate. In all cases there is a huge mass above the failure point.

    Why don’t you see any evidence of the type of small scale explosions you see in a controlled demolition? These would have blown out the windows of the buildings well before the thing started coming down.

  174. MarkinLA says:
    @Rurik

    There were people from day one who said things the government didn’t want said about the USS Liberty. This isn’t a false flag attack it was deliberate attack by Israel that the US pretended was a mistake for political reasons. There have always been people, even the sailors on the ship, who said they believe the attack was intentional by the way they were attacked. That the US government did nothing does not make it some sort of false flag operation and it hasn’t been “covered up”.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Rurik
  175. MarkinLA says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Excuse me, since you apparently believe in the official story, that these attacks were orchestrated by Osama Bin Laden, from faroff Afghanistan,

    I never said that. The issue is if a fully fueled airliner traveling 500 miles per hour slamming into the upper 2/3 of a thin skinned steel superstructure skyscraper can cause enough internal damage to the main supports such that the mass above the impact point can no longer be supported. I have no problem with this.

    If you have ever bothered to watch a controlled demolition , it starts with a lot of small explosions to cut the supports then gravity takes over. They also remove most material and install connecting rods to pull everything into the center. The windows are removed because even those small explosions would blow the windows out. Why are the windows in the building still intact as the building comes down? Somehow gravity cannot bring the building down but that demolition experts can so perfectly time the charges that they don’t blow all at once but only as each floor topples the next even though no other controlled demolition in the history of the world is done that way. Talk about depending on a fantasy.

    • Replies: @utu
  176. utu says:
    @MarkinLA

    If Israel succeeded sinking USS Liberty and killing all survivors this would be a false flag attack. Egypt would be blamed. Why did Israel did not continue the attack to its sad end?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  177. utu says:
    @MarkinLA

    “The windows are removed because even those small explosions would blow the windows out.”

    Here:

    all windows remain intact during demolition.

    Looks like you are confabulating.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  178. @Wizard of Oz

    Nobody is forcing you (or anyone else) to comment here, so it can’t be said your time is being wasted. So clearly your motivation is something else. What is it?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  179. Rurik says:
    @MarkinLA

    There were people from day one who said things the government didn’t want said about the USS Liberty

    openly? Who? From what I understand there was an order from their superiors in the military never to talk about it. Or else…

    This isn’t a false flag attack it was deliberate attack by Israel that the US pretended was a mistake for political reasons.

    it was a false flag attack, they simply failed in their mission. The intent was to sink the ship and murder all hands. And then blame it on Egypt in order to frame them for it. But it didn’t work, did it? Just because they failed, doesn’t change the intent.

    There have always been people, even the sailors on the ship, who said they believe the attack was intentional by the way they were attacked.

    yes, you’re right. It’s universally accepted that it was deliberate. The only people who balk at that are the Israeli government and a few apologists for same.

    That the US government did nothing does not make it some sort of false flag operation and it hasn’t been “covered up”.

    you could not be more wrong.

    It was a cowardly act of war against an ally. Not only an ally but Israeli’s best and most generous ally. Every single person responsible should have been brought in chains to these shores and tried and executed. Instead they covered it all up, there were no media reports, and the sailors were all ordered to keep silent about it all. They’ve only recently began to speak out, and now the government is too afraid of charging these men who were so viciously betrayed by their own government and military superiors. The most notorious being president Johnson and Robert McNamara. Who ordered the jets that were scrambled to assist the Liberty to return and render no assistance. Twice.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  180. MarkinLA says:
    @utu

    The structural supports on that building are external and you could see the windows vibrating as the small explosives went off . The outside of the WTC is all glass and the explosions would be interior to the building.

    • Replies: @utu
  181. MarkinLA says:
    @utu

    No it wouldn’t because nobody ever tried to claim that this attack was by Egypt or was it used to drag the US into the conflict on the side of Israel. Israel wanted to hide something from the US, that is why the Liberty was attacked.

  182. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sam J,”…It just makes it stiffer…”

    MarkinLA,”I didn’t realize that pliable meant stiffer? That is what annealing does it makes it softer and more pliable, and certainly not stiffer…”

    You’re exactly correct. I garbled that up. I meant to say that it made it “less stiff” not stiffer but the total energy to failure of the steel is the same.

    MarkinLA,”…It is coming down it is just a matter of time as the stress fractures accumulate. In all cases there is a huge mass above the failure point…”

    My point stands as annealing steel makes it less likely to have stress fractures. The huge mass is of no consequence as the building is designed from the beginning to hold up the mass plus a very large amount above that. The outside walls were designed to 2,000% above the total expected dead load, as per the document YOU linked. After all the large majority of the outside walls were not damaged and the certainly weren’t “annealed” so there is no reason at all for the building to fall straight down. If one wall is completely gone, which it was not, then you still have 75% of the walls standing leaving the rest of the walls to support 1500% of the dead load. If the building would have fallen it would fall over. The top section falling off to the side and the rest remaining standing.

    MarkinLA,”…Why don’t you see any evidence of the type of small scale explosions you see in a controlled demolition? These would have blown out the windows of the buildings well before the thing started coming down…”

    You do see exactly that. From what some have pieced together a lot of the demo was done by nano-thermite which a heat reaction as opposed to a gas reaction of explosives. Hence there is a blowing out but not as much as if tradition explosives were used. Here’s a really good video by a structural engineer that goes over the towers destruction. It’s exceptionally good and covers all the main points. It shows a picture that completely demolishes the story of the columns supporting the core of the building failing. Why? There is a picture of the core columns standing around 60 floors high AFTER all the surrounding floors and outer core has fallen. I’m guessing they demoed the core last so that the floors would slide down the core and not fall to the side limiting peripheral damage.

    Notice the Jew talks about buildings one and two so as to get off of the HUGE fuck up of building #7, not hit by a plane. I understand this Jew dust but in actuality they can’t defend the evidence of buildings #1 and 2 either.

    Someone commented that the article was about Sandy Hook so why talk about building #7? The reason is here is direct unimpeachable visual reminder that the powers controlling our government will murder our people with no qualms at all. There’s lots of problems with Sandy Hook but it is much more vague as to what went on. With building #7 no amount of white wash can explain a building, not hit by a plane, falling the same speed as a rock dropped in mid air. Just not possible.

    I don’t know what you Jews are going to do. Your caught. It’s just a matter of time. This is what happens when you let a bunch of psychopaths run your society. My advice to you is to come clean and publicly kill all these people even remotely involved in this. If you keep defending what these psychopaths have done at some point all the people of planet Earth will start to consider you a threat to their survival. I’m very close to believing that myself. If this comes to be a widely held believe then you may just be wiped out. The attitude of always sticking up for each other no matter what has served you well over the centuries but mass communication has rendered your crimes noticeable and you can no longer just move from country to country ripping people off as you go. What if the US just divorced itself from the middle east, gave you zero support and left you surrounded by those that you have attacked. Your war on the Middle East has caused so much damage it may take hundreds of years to straighten out. You people really fucked up this time.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  183. Sam J. says:

    MarkinLA says,”…The structural supports on that building are external…”

    A lie. There is external support columns and internal support core columns. See the video below showing a picture of sunlight through the building highlighting exactly what i say.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  184. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Educating the simple minded in elementary logic, literacy and numeracy is one minor purpose occasionally. To illustrate this I point out that your question is totally illogical because I clearly wasn’t complaining about the time one wastes commenting but the time one wastes reading and making any effort to understand rubbish.

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  185. @Rurik

    It’s not a subject that particularly interests me but I find your suggestion that it was a “false flag” operation gone wrong quote fanciful for two reasons, each sufficient in itself.

    One is that no sane military planner would rate the chance of being able to convince the US that the ship was attacked and sunk by the Egyptians as more than very remote.

    The other is that it didn’t need a cover story involving Egypt if it wanted to get rid of the Liberty’s surveillance. The story of it being an accident was always going to suffice.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Rurik
    , @Sam J.
  186. @Wizard of Oz

    LOL you really are a self-important prick. Well, we’re all grateful, esp. since we never asked, for your educational endeavors. It must be quite taxing, reading “rubbish” that you were never asked to do in the first place.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  187. utu says:
    @MarkinLA

    Did you write this? “The windows are removed because even those small explosions would blow the windows out.”

    Did you watch this video?

    all windows remain intact during demolition.

    You are confabulating. You are a lier!

  188. utu says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “The story of it being an accident was always going to suffice.”

    The story that Egypt sunk USS Liberty would be 1000 times better. You know it and everybody knows it. Don’t pretend that you are dumb.

    Something spooked Israelis so they did not finish the job while being in the process of wiping out sailors, i.e., the witnesses. The planes sent form the US aircraft carrier were recalled. Perhaps a deal was made: we pretend we do not know what happen and you leave the USS Liberty alone.

  189. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Truly pathetic. Stay in the sand pit. How can one tell if something on a thread on UR about an important subject is rubbish without reading it at least glancingly? Equally to the point it is surely an implied request if someone purports to reply to something one has written or as part of a thread one has shown interest in – or at least it is ordinary courtesy to consider something proffered as a reply to oneself. BTW I think you started this exchange of point taking – not a good idea if you have a glass jaw or slow wit.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  190. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    One is that no sane military planner would rate the chance of being able to convince the US that the ship was attacked and sunk by the Egyptians as more than very remote.

    unless they had the full cooperation of the US government at the highest levels including the White House, (which they did. As I’ve mentioned, president Johnson ordered jets that were scrambled from a nearby fleet to assist the USS Liberty, to return to the carrier. Not just once, but twice), not to mention the entire edifice of the controlled (Jewish owned) msm

    The other is that it didn’t need a cover story involving Egypt if it wanted to get rid of the Liberty’s surveillance. The story of it being an accident was always going to suffice.

    Well I don’t know how you could come to that conclusion when the story of it being an accident is considered preposterous even today. And more than getting rid of Liberty’s surveillance, they wanted to use the attack as a false flag to implicate Egypt so that the US would crush Egypt for them. They have a long history of such false flags, like the Lavon affair for instance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

    Mossad’s mantra is “By Way of Deception, thou shalt do war”, or at least it used to be until the goyim started to notice such things and they altered it ..

    911 has been only their most egregious false flag to date, but this is and has been their modus operandi since they created Israel out of the terrorist acts of bombing the King David Hotel and slaughtering villagers at places like Deir Yassin. It even seems to me like they’re proud of what they’ve been able to get away with and achieve through terrorism, treachery, subterfuge, murder, assassination, deception, war crimes, and assorted atrocities. No?

    Just look at how they’ve been able to use the false flag attack of 911 to get the US to destroy so many of their well-earned enemies in the region. Saddam’s Iraq, Gadhafi’s Libya, Assad’s Syria. All considered Israelis enemies and all crushed by the US as a consequence of Mossad’s false flag attack on the US. Tell me wizard that they’re not proud of that. Of course they are.

  191. Sam J. says:

    Wizard of Oz says,”…One is that no sane military planner would rate the chance of being able to convince the US that the ship was attacked and sunk by the Egyptians as more than very remote.”

    That’s because they’re not sane like normal people. They’re psychopaths. Psychopaths believe they are so superior to everyone else that they can lie their way out of anything. It’s a big blind spot with them. It does work quit frequently so they think lying works in all cases. Because they don’t have the mental capacity to empathize with others they don’t understand when lying works and when it’s not likely to work.

    In order to predict Jews behavior read the great book on Psychopaths by Hervey Cleckley, “The Mask of Sanity”. Here’s a chapter all should read. It’s about Stanley. Who does all kinds of manic bullshit and spends all his time feeding people the most outrageous lies. Maybe it will remind you of a certain tribe. New meme. “They’re pulling a Stanley”. The whole book is on the web and worth reading.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

    Even if it’s wrong if you assume the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths you will never be surprised and Jew’s behavior will make sense.

  192. Sam J. says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Nice nick choice. Fits perfectly.”The Wizard of Oz” was a big fraud in the movie and you’re big fraud also.

    You’re hearts probably a pocket watch.

  193. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    This post should have been entitled:

    How to Trash Conspiracy Theorists,
    A Case Study by the Cass Sunstein Institute for Cognitive Infiltration

    Begin with a ridiculous analysis of the Sandy Hook mass murder (with or without quotes, depending on your point of view) based on secondhand photo-analysis that not one reader in a hundred is in any position to evaluate.

    Then follow up with dozens of comments about a whole bunch of unrelated conspiracy theories, discussed with a near total lack of scientific, or forensic rigor and interspersed with such comments as:

    LOL you really are a self-important prick.

    Conclusion?

    All conspiracy theorists are nuts.

    QED

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  194. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, that’s what they all say: “I was there, or I know someone was there, and it happened.” That’s not an argument. That’s not evidence. That’s a propaganda device.

  195. MarkinLA says:
    @Sam J.

    Try to stay on subject. Keep up with the threading. I was talking about the El Paso building in response to utu. You can clearly see the load bearing structures on all 4 corners as well as the windows vibrating due to the explosions that take out the external supports.

  196. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    The outside walls were designed to 2,000% above the total expected dead load, as per the document YOU linked.

    From what I read the entire building is supported by its 4 main box supports, typical of a building of this type where the external walls are nothing more than glass. So what outside walls are you talking about, all I see is glass. I have been in a few of these building and I know what they look like from inside.

    You keep talking about this “design” as though that was some magic number. The building was old the years have put metal fatigue on the superstructure. Nobody knows how much damage was done or where when the plane hits. The whole idea that this fairy tale of an undetected controlled demolition plot across two presidential administrations that stays secret for 15 years is an even dumber idea than a plane taking it down is.

    My point stands as annealing steel makes it less likely to have stress fractures.

    And it also weakens it permanently and some of the force of the mass it is supporting is transferred to the other box supports. If those supports aren’t weakened then the extra load will cause stress fractures.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  197. I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the utterly bizarre Gene Rosen:

    If this guy does not get people to rethink their position on conspiracies, it well illustrates how, at the end, even Winston Smith agreed that 2+2=5. Guzzle that Victory Gin, comrades!

  198. Sam J. says:
    @MarkinLA

    “…From what I read the entire building is supported by its 4 main box supports…”

    You read wrong. You apparently don’t even read the documents you use to put forward your case.

    “…years have put metal fatigue on the superstructure…”

    You’re pathetic. Talk about Jew Dust. Grasping for straws. Haven’t you ever heard of “work hardening”? I guess not. If anything the steel got stronger as time went by. The wind hitting the structure increases work hardening. You’re Hasbara stick is pitiful. They should pay you to shut up rather than push their lies.

    For people that want to know about the type steel used in the WTC and it’s characteristics here’s a link to wiki on it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A36_steel

    If you look here you will find the steel in the WTC was not quenched at all so if it was heated up as soon as it cooled it would retain it’s original strength. The temperature to lower the strength is very high. It still retain half it’s strength at 800°F.

    “…[annealing steel} makes it less likely to have stress fractures…”

    You have no idea at all what you’re on about. Annealing steel removes stress and stress fractures. As if the whole building was covered with “stress fractures”.

    “…And it also weakens it permanently…”

    Uuhhh melting steel permanently weakens it????Then how does it ever get hard if it was melted to produce it in the first place???? Don’t say quenching because it’s established that they don’t quench the A36 steel to manufacture it. Actually they heat it to anneal it a little and relieve stress.

    So really you just throwing more Jew Dust, nonsense, bullshit, lies and hoping no one will notice. What psychopaths don’t understand is a lot of times people quit arguing with them because they know they’re stupid liars and just want to get away from them. The dumb Spaths, not knowing the difference, think they’ve WON. They WON the argument with bullshit. Really people just want you away from them. You don’t realize just how dumb you seem to others because you have no empathy or insight into others feelings. This can be great sometimes but it a huge blind spot when something really matters.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  199. MarkinLA says:
    @Sam J.

    Haven’t you ever heard of “work hardening”

    Yes, and it makes it harder, meaning it is more brittle and more susceptible to fracturing. The building is undergoing metal fatigue. It is ridiculous to think that as a building gets older it actually gets stronger.

  200. Sam J. says:

    You shouldn’t worry it was annealed by fire according to you.

  201. I no longer think of Roberts as reliable. He has just made too many mistakes. Here is one:

    http://www.prophecypodcast.com/journal/2015/9/11/dumpster-diving-for-the-news.html

  202. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I noticed a lot of people pointing out that it is POSSIBLE for shadows to go in opposite directions when the sun is directly behind. However, it is still unusual. PCR only says ‘it suggests,’ and he did mention that the shadows of the women in yellow and the man do not seem to have anything to do with them. This seems to be the case to me. So, many criticising PCR are really criticising a straw man. How about actually engaging with what he says? And what about the other photos? Where are the girls’ legs in that Parker family photo? It’s just freaking weird!

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