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In response to my challenge ( http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/13/orlando-shooting-paul-craig-roberts/ ) readers report that they have found no evidence of bodies or blood. One person reports that a TV station posted names of some victims, which is the way the absence of Sandy Hook bodies was handled.

One person who said he is a veteran said the AR-15 can have a 30-round clip. That would mean four reloadings in order to shoot 103 people. The veteran said that the rifle can be reloaded in 5 seconds: one clip is dropped out, another put in, and the bolt released. But 5 seconds is not fast enough to prevent being rushed. Remember, sprinters can cover 100 yards—300 feet—in less than 10 seconds. Ordinary people who are not couch potatoes can cover 300 feet in 20 seconds. That means they can cover 150 feet in 10 seconds or 75 feet in 5 seconds or 15 feet in 1 second.. In the crowded club, people were likely no more than 10 feet from the shooter, 20 feet at the most. Moreover, if there is only one shooter, he can be rushed in an arc that he cannot possibly cover. It is difficult to imagine that there were no veterans in the club, no people aware that guns run out of bullets and have to be reloaded and that so many people would miss four opportunities to disarm the shooter. It is hard to imagine that none of the hundreds of people present were capable of presence of mind. Bottles could be thrown at him, glasses, chairs. And no one did anything?

Mainly what readers have reported is evidence that the Orlando shooting is a hoax. One reader sent me a video in which a skeptic uses a RT video to show that the same three allegedly injured people, who so far are the only victims we have been shown, are being carried toward the night club, not away from it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiLk-V9DFpc

Another person sent a video that shows the man with the red shoes who is being carried is put down after the camera walk-by. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaNewsknuBw

Here are readers reporting their inability to find any real evidence. Somehow 103 people were shot and there is no visible evidence.

Dear Mr. Roberts, in response to your request for evidence regarding the Orlando shooting, I held my nose and forced myself to watch about an hour and a half of fox and cnn. No blood whatsoever. Nothing real about any of the videos or stupid interviews with alleged victims. I knew we were being lied to the first night when Fox News trotted out Bernard Kerik. We know that traitor lied to us about 911. Why would we believe anything that evil bastard said about this event. Thanks for such a great article. You really nailed it. Dutch

I was watching one of the networks at a local eatery. My working assumption on these mass shootings is that they are fake, either entirely so, as you mildly suggest in your latest article, or perpetrated by government informants. The cameo profiles of victims began appearing on TV last night, as my wife and I sat at a bar-restaurant eating chicken wings. Who believes this stuff? Pepe Escobar and others are also articulating skepticism on their Facebook pages. Is this a distraction from some important stuff going down at Bilderberg?

Thank you for your great work. I agree with your take on Orlando,San Bernardino,etc. Do you think there is a legal way to expose the people that perform these fictitious acts (I.e perhaps class action lawsuits against the crisis actors, etc).? Thanks again for all your efforts. Husni

A fat, crying woman under shock yells out a detailed story to the cameras, without stopping. It seems she practiced the script for a week or so. Such poor acting just causes pity. Someone should have said : ” Madame, please slow down. Fetch your script and come back for a second take, OK ?”

It took 3 hours for the police to proceed with an assault. 53 wounded
people lay officially inside the establishment, crying for help. Are there recordings of these desperate yells ? Fifty three folks !

I searched Orlando on You Tube (easy, fast, no sound, and no blood). Thank God, actually.

Was wondering what your take is on this. Veterans Today has it as most likely another false flag. Like you pointed out, many groups to benefit from this. The DEMS are pushing hard for gun control, Israel is ecstatic of more hatred towards Muslims, the DOD loves more war money, and the beat goes on. I was looking for ambulances and paramedics, but saw none. Then the BOZO, known as the President here, gets on TV asap and pushes gun control, never mentions anything else. He was cold and remorseless, and walked away fast. Meanwhile, the Congress and President and Homeland Insecurity are bringing in crateloads of questionable immigrants, some handled by religious groups no less (raking in the dough).

I have not seen any evidence, but I am a bit ’over-the-hill'(62 yrs old) when it comes to comprehensive internet searches. However, I asked my computer savvy 24 yr-old son, and he has not found any videos of the carnage inside nor out. He did suggest to me that if anyone did capture anything on their cell phone, etc., that the police/authorities would immediately confiscate it. I don’t know though… Please let us peons know if you find anything remotely credible. thank you PCR

I appreciate readers bringing to my attention more evidence that suggests we are witnessing another drill, like the announced drill at the Boston Marathon, turned into a fake terrorist attack. That indeed might be what the Orlando shooting was. However, remember, our purpose is not to disprove the official story, but to find evidence in its behalf.

So far all we have are official statements and testimony by what seem to be crisis actors. 103 people cannot be shot without there being real evidence.
It has to be somewhere.

ORDER IT NOW

My cautionary statement was that we should not believe massive terrorist attacks without evidence, especially when we know for an absolute fact that the government lied to us about Saddam Hussein, Assad, and Libya. These lies have kept us at work destroying Muslim countries for 15 years, with a consequence that Europe is being overrun with refugees from our wars based on nothing but the government’s lies.

It is not an unreasonable conclusion that a government that will lie to us about Iraq, Libya, Syria, the economic condition of the country and that will lie to the 9/11 Commission might also lie to us about Boston, Sandy Hook, San Bernandino, and Orlando.

My point is simply that we are given stories based not on visible evidence but on claims. These kind of events have to leave massive evidence, but somehow it is not visible.

To recap, we are trying to see if we can find real evidence that supports the official story. We are not trying to disprove the official story but to prove it.

If we cannot prove the story, we are entitled to disbelieve it.

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  1. Kiza says:

    One criterion for judging who is really a good independent online writer is the size of his troll brigade. Of all the authors on unz.com, PCR and Philip Giraldi are the biggest target of the trolling brigade. Opposite to these two are Eric Margolis and Patrick Cockburn, who never draw any troll attention (only little me could be remotely referred to as their troll for constant criticism of their writing as pro-regime).

    I wholeheartedly recommend to independence minded readers to consider the troll presence as an indication of the author’s true independence from the regime. Usually the trolls come in two flavours:
    1) call the author outright a cookoo
    2) say that they usually agree with this author but just this article is cookoo

    • Replies: @anony-mouse
  2. Any indication from the local trauma/ER centers? If 50 (or so) gunshot or trampled people showed up, it would be hard to keep quiet.

    What about ambulance/EMS records for Orlando? Again, if 50 or more people all of a sudden need transportation to trauma centers, that cannot hit without ripples.

    Last, what about the funeral/casket/floral business? If there are fifty dead young people in Orlando MSA, there are going to be 50 well attended funerals. Old people who die have already buried most of their friends, so their funerals are often very small. Not so much with young people, especially if they belong to a “community”.

    I wonder….

  3. Kiza says:

    Also, I was tempted to write to the trolls of the previous PCR article similar to what PCR wrote in the conclusion of this one above. My questions to trolls:
    1) what is your problem with someone writing “show me the proof”?
    2) why is it your preference to accept the official version of a tragic event purely on the statement of authority supported by a few anecdotal videos and a lot of talking head blabber?
    3) what is your problem with someone producing a list of beneficiaries (possibly even incidental) of a vile act?
    ….
    n) are you paid to promote the official version of an event by attacking critical thinking and alternative points of view?

    Personally, I have not made up my mind yet either way. But the trolls disputing PCR are just pollution of the mind.

  4. @Kiza

    Giraldi gets 10 times the comments as PCR (He’s at 120 right now-PCR has never gotten a quarter that many)

    I’m puzzled since:

    1/ They basically write the same stuff (style is different)
    2/ Both have worked for the US Government a long time ago.
    3/ Both are old guys.
    4/ Both write for Counterpunch, globalresearch.ca, and the American Conservative as well as Unz.com of course.

    • Replies: @Bayan
  5. Max Payne says:

    Not to hate or nothing:

    But 5 seconds is not fast enough to prevent being rushed.

    I’m going to tell you right now when you’re on drugs, drunk, and high on ego and some douchebag brings reality to your face with a big gun the last thing on your mind is “I’m going to charge him… for AMERICA”.

    You’re probably having the worst trip of your life crawling around on the floor in the dark (pissing and shitting yourself no less). Paranoia, fear, shock, confusion. The music is blaring. You don’t know if its just one shooter or two (what if he fired two weapons at once at some point; a pistol). It’s not terrorism in your mind… it’s probably some gang-related BS. How many clubs get shot up due to gang issues, right?

    if there is only one shooter, he can be rushed in an arc that he cannot possibly cover.

    Teamwork like that is not happening among inebriated strangers. This isn’t Sparta.

    Bottles could be thrown at him, glasses, chairs.

    That’s how you become a target.

    One person who said he is a veteran said the AR-15 can have a 30-round clip. That would mean four reloadings in order to shoot 103 people. The veteran said that the rifle can be reloaded in 5 seconds: one clip is dropped….

    As for the number of bullets needed and number of magazine clips. Man… bullets go through people… bullets graze people… bullets ricochet, I’m sure most got wounded from crawling around on the floor with all that broken glass people dropped (cups, bottles, crack pipes, cocaine mirrors, etc. etc.). Heck I’m sure SWAT killed a few in some of the crossfire.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  6. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Indrid Cold done it.

  7. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Political Paranoia

  8. Bayan says:
    @anony-mouse

    Style matters. Also PCR includes stats and calculations in his articles, which may be important to make his case, but puts off many readers.

  9. I always like to wait a while before looking in to the whole False Flag thing. This should be easily dispelled by have a trusted reporter go around and interview the families of the deceased.

    Trying to do this from the internet is a bad idea.

    If you want to find out what really happened, hire a gumshoe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kkja8vDVmQ

    • Replies: @atsme
  10. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Bottom Line: All of this horrific attacks are designed to keep people, but mostly Americans, dumbed down and fearful to the point they can’t think, they only want to bleat to Congress to “Save us, do whatever it takes to save us and to Hell with the Bill of Rights.”

    So ask yourself this, do you feel safer now than you did in the Summer of 2001?

    Do you like the way our nation’s infrastructure is being ignored, watching it fall to pieces in front of your eyes, while we get told there’s no money for the crowded and worn-out highways; no money for the crowded and outdated public schools; no money for a outdated and overloaded electrical power grid; no money for around 50,000 dams, some holding back water, others toxic wastes; not enough money for all those vets that got wounded fighting these wars.

    Don’t think about that, don’t even ask why, just hide in place, quiver with fear and gladly give up what’s left of the Bill of Rights while our nation falls apart.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  11. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Media fear that showing the images will viscerally help Trump.

  12. Lets say its a hoax. Some human or group of humans had to conceive it and have the clout to achieve it. We need to know the identity and whereabouts of the perps.

  13. KenH says:

    The plot thickens. Tonight on Megyn Kelly we learned that Omar made 16 phone calls during the shooting and sent several texts. Not only that, in one of his calls to a news station he identified himself as the shooter and pledged his allegiance to ISIS before making statements in Arabic.

    What evidence exists that Omar Mateen knew Arabic? Even though he was born in America, he was of Afghan descent so his father most likely spoke Pashto which is distinct from Arabic. And it’s no secret that the Afghan Taliban isn’t on the best of terms with ISIS, but maybe Mateen knew this and didn’t care. Or maybe he was just ignorant of the ongoing rift.

    I’ve never heard of a mass shooter taking short breaks to make calls and send texts while inflicting carnage, either. Maybe he did all this after shooting everyone. Or maybe after every 10-15 people shot he decided to call and text and get his second wind. This just seems to defy logic but perhaps there’s a rational explanation that would make sense of it all.

    I’m not saying Omar didn’t commit this act or that he wasn’t inspired by ISIS, but it would appear that there is much more to the story than we’re being told. It’s very possible he had several accomplices which might help explain the calls, texts and high body count. All we have to work with is a a farrago of lies, half truths and misinformation.

  14. Jeffrey S. says: • Website

    Brian Reilly asks a series of questions:

    (1) “Any indication from the local trauma/ER centers? If 50 (or so) gunshot or trampled people showed up, it would be hard to keep quiet.”

    Start here:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/13/hospital-shooting-victims/85836204/

    For this story to be a hoax, every person interviewed would have to be in on the fraud, not to mention this paper (as well as other news organizations – do you people ever use Google?)

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/orlando-trauma-surgeons/

    (2) “What about ambulance/EMS records for Orlando? Again, if 50 or more people all of a sudden need transportation to trauma centers, that cannot hit without ripples.”

    See above articles on how victims were transported to the ER.

    (3) “Last, what about the funeral/casket/floral business? If there are fifty dead young people in Orlando MSA, there are going to be 50 well attended funerals.”

    Again, 49 victims have been identified:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/victims/os-pulse-nightclub-orlando-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html

    Are these people fake?

    Funeral services are being scheduled now:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/victims/os-apopka-alliance-eddie-justice-20160615-story.html

    A wake has already occurred:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-shooting-visitation-angel-candelario-padro-20160615-story.html

    ***

    When this many people are shot up in a nightclub and you have literally hundreds of first responders, doctors, nurses, victims family and friends involved you have to be insane to think that it is all a hoax. You are no longer seeking truth and asking tough questions — you are insane.

    What is wrong with you people.

  15. […] you wanted to place a bet that the first false flaggot of Orlando would be Paul Craig Roberts, and yet . . […]

  16. Mark Green says: • Website
    @Jeffrey S.

    I must agree that PCR’s hoax theory is preposterous. It would require a conspiracy involving hundreds of disconnected people. Absurd. This ‘secret’ would also be impossible to keep.

    PCR often writes some very good articles, but this latest one is absolutely unbelievable.

    By contrast, Philip Giraldi never makes ridiculous out-of-this-world accusations. Giraldi has a firm grip on reality. He attracts a lot of attention for making bold and salient points on a topic that few commentators dare to examine.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  17. If Roberts is such a hands-on investigative reporter, why doesn’t he just hop on a plane and go to Orlando and look himself? He could attend even some funerals.

    There is too much confusion in relying on the newspaper reports, but he can easily find the lists and photos of the 50 dead.

    Here’s one page with biographies of victims:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-massacre-what-we-know-about-victims-n591141

  18. @Jeffrey S.

    Agree. PCR’s narrative is the same as that of the the 911 truthers and the folks that said we never went into space, to the moon or to the planets. There are simply too many people involved in the conspiracy. You can’t keep them all quiet. They talk. They talk to the press, to friends, to lovers, wives, to family. You can’t kill them all to maintain the subterfuge.

    Argue the how/why of the disasters all you want, but there is no arguing their existence, their occurrence. The towers fell. The Pentagon had a hole in it. I was in New York, I saw the disaster heap, I saw them craning engines and chunks of United Airlines out of the pile some weeks later. Later, I helped rebuild the Pentagon, months later, the smell of JP was still there, fuck you conspiracy theorists. A lot of people were slaughtered. That the physical toll on flesh is so ugly they keep a lid on it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. No reason a FOIA inquiry can’t be filed so that the ghouls might be satisfied.

    So do that, Roberts, you go do that. Let us know how that works out. It won’t support YOUR particular narrative, but go ahead.

  19. @Anonymous

    I disagree. The agree was a mistake…

  20. @Max Payne

    Five seconds, hell even ten seconds is plenty of time to switch mags when your targets are on their knees engaged in penis worship in the VIP Kentucky Jelly Lounge.

  21. Kiza says:

    What do you disagree with Jim, that Man Landed on the Moon, the Meaning of Life, the Big Bang Theory, the Size of the Universe? The guy posted a live Fox News video which shows something strange. What is there to agree or disagree with LOL? I promised that I would not reply to your ramblings, but you are just too funny a character, disagreeing with a video. FYI, video is not an opinion to agree or disagree with, one can only claim that it is genuine or not, the same as a story of a mass shooting.

    • Replies: @Jeffrey S.
  22. Jeffrey S. says: • Website
    @Kiza

    Kiza,

    You say,

    “The guy posted a live Fox News video which shows something strange.”

    No it doesn’t. To me it shows some people carrying a wounded individual off to someplace we can’t see (as there is another person being carried off further up ahead) and they stop to rest. Hardly suspicious.

    You people are like the proverbial guy with a hammer who goes around looking everywhere for nails. Sometimes they aren’t there.

    This phenomenon (the desire by some people to see conspiracy theories everywhere) was analyzed awhile back by one of my favorite philosophers, Ed Feser:

    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2009/01/trouble-with-conspiracy-theories.html

    and

    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/05/epstein-on-conspiracies.html

    (great comments in the second post)

    • Replies: @Kiza
  23. Pete S. says:
    @Jeffrey S.

    I disagree. All of the shootings are gov’t sponsored drills/ hoaxes to change public perception and gun laws. They’re run by DHS primarily. None of the links above show dead bodies or any evidence of a massacre. If there are 53 injured and presumably 40 or so non-injured, there should be hundreds of photos of the grisly event in progress, in this age of smart phones. The media would pay handsomely for these pictures. Yet there’s not ONE picture available. How do you explain this?

    It doesn’t add up. Where are the pictures of ambulances at the club loading in the injured and then unloading at the hospital? I haven’t seen any.

    At Sandy Hook, EMT’s and Medevac helicopter emergency personnel were not allowed on the crime scene. Why not? Who declared the children dead and why on earth would you not let EMT in to see if a child could be saved.

    It screams hoax. If you disagree, please explain these contradictions.

    • Replies: @Jeffrey S.
    , @Mr. Anon
  24. Ed says:

    How many of these shootings-by- lunatics happen before the DHS was created?

    • Replies: @Pete S.
    , @alexander
    , @Mr. Anon
  25. Kiza says:
    @Jeffrey S.

    Did you notice that several individuals in the group (of crisis actors) glance back to see if cameras are still on them? Looking back towards cameras is a funny way of taking a rest. Yeah, maybe it is all just a coincidence.

    For me this failed video is not a proof that the massacre did not happen, then that one cannot trust absolutely anything that the MSM say or show. ALWAYS ASSUME FIRST THAT WHATEVER THE AUTHORITY AND THE MSM PUSH IS A COMPLETE LIE (start from trust=0) and then explore sources trying to find out what really happened whilst keeping your mind open to every possibility, including that the authority’s version has some grains of truth. The moment you take the MSM words and pictures as an accurate representation of reality, you have been taken into a con.

    If I am with a hammer looking for a nail, you are a slave of the blue pill – do not let anything bring into question your established view of the world, your life’s motto: NEVER QUESTION ANYTHING THE AUTHORITY SAYS.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  26. @Kiza

    Always question officialdom, and keep your bullshit detector at max volume.

  27. One of these days Roberts will declare that no murder has ever actually taken place in the United States.

  28. Pete S. says:
    @Ed

    We’ve had a lot recently: Boston, Sandy Hook, VA Tech, Oregon College, San Bernardino, Charleston, VA reporter, Aurora, Washington Navy Yard (twice) and now Orlando. I don’t recall this many pre-DHS.

  29. @Mark Green

    This ‘secret’ would also be impossible to keep.

    Hmm, I no longer find this line of argumentation very convincing. If you could assume the existence of genuine investigative journalism in the mainstream media, you’d have a point, but…

    By contrast, Philip Giraldi never makes ridiculous out-of-this-world accusations. Giraldi has a firm grip on reality.

    I cannot agree with this at all. Giraldi invariably assumes that false flag terrorism does not exist. As a result, he writes incredibly fanciful things at times. Consider:

    http://www.unz.com/article/conspiracy-theories-and-san-bernardino/#comment-1253081

    That is my response to the “jihadist marriage bureau” nonsense he was engaging in.

    No, in my view PCR compares quite favorably to Giraldi.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  30. ““We’re asking them to go into a ‘Star Wars’ bar on a regular basis,” he said, pointing to the language challenges soldiers face abroad. “We don’t know whether they’re saying something that will get them shot or hugged.”

    Improved interfaces for mobile devices are, however, just the tip of the iceberg for improvements to the connection of soldiers to vehicles and weapons systems. Radical advances in storage, processing power and robotics are also offering new opportunities to help wounded warriors.”
    http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/12/darpa-big-data-military-open-source-agile.html

    The bureaucrats couldn’t find a hooker in a whorehouse.

  31. alexander says:
    @Ed

    It makes me happy when people ask smart questions.

    and this was a smart one.

    I will be 53 soon…For the first four decades of my life, growing up in New York, there was almost ZERO terrorist attacks from alleged Muslims, crazies, Jihadi’s , or what have you…….and the amount of Money extracted from the taxpayer..to fight terrorism…was 1/10,000th of what we spend today.

    So according to our “20 trillion national debt” leaders…..spending tens of trillions of our money to fight terrorism has in fact multiplied the amounts of terror attacks and mass shootings TWENTY FOLD.

    Is it just me…or is there something wrong with this PICTURE ?

    At worst, the entire DHS governing apparatus needs to be canned, fired, given the boot, ASAP.

    ASAP.

    At best, they should all be Guantanamo Bay-ed, along with all the other clowns, posing as our representatives , for complete failure ,triple F, in their obscenely expensive and utterly fraudulent war on terror.

    They are a total joke.

  32. FIVE SECONDS to reload an AR15? Have you ever TOUCHED a gun before lol?

  33. Here’s some dude reloading one in his living room in two seconds.

  34. Jeffrey S. says: • Website
    @Pete S.

    Pete,

    You seem to be another guy with a hammer looking for nails:

    “If there are 53 injured and presumably 40 or so non-injured, there should be hundreds of photos of the grisly event in progress, in this age of smart phones.”

    Huh? Just who would have time to take these pictures as they were fleeing shots from a madman and trying their best to stay alive in a nightclub full of dead and wounded bodies? Oh, and let’s not forget that many of the patrons decided to use their cell phones for a different purpose — to call or text their loved ones (mothers, friends) and tell them what was happening and that they might die:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/13/hes-coming-im-gonna-die-heartbreaking-final-texts-from-orlando-victim-to-his-mom/

    As for “pictures of ambulances at the club loading in the injured and then unloading at the hospital” — again, this is the middle of the night and it was a hostage situation, so the police set up a perimeter, but there is still plenty of video of wounded led away from the nightclub and lots of ambulances on the scene:

    Again, do any of you people know how to search for stuff on Google? It took me five minutes to find this.

    Finally, you are obsessed with pictures and video and yet ignore the fact that there are hundreds of people who are now eyewitnesses to what happened — people in the club, police and EMT who helped the wounded, doctors and nurses who treated them, families who are burying their dead right now, etc.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/friends-and-family-remember-orlando-shooting-victim-jorge-reyes-at-memorial-service/2016/06/15/e4b45bbc-3360-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

    All of these people are lying to further this hoax?

    This is now beyond “asking questions” — it is a sick joke and you all should be ashamed of yourself.

    • Replies: @Pete S.
  35. Pete S. says:
    @Jeffrey S.

    Jeffrey,

    You’re saying there’s not ONE picture of the massacre even after the shooting was over? No pictures of bodies?

    Show me pictures of ambulances loading the injured from the club and unloading into the hospital. Surely it was safe at that point to take pictures.

    This is a manufactured event, just like all the other recent shootings. The eyewitnesses are on the payroll and these events are for the purpose of changes our guns laws and furthering the “war on terror” narrative.

    We’re creating the terror in Syria, Libya & Iraq by funding these monsters (ISIS and mercenaries). This has been documented. What did these countries do to us? Nothing. Yet we’re leveling them and their populations.

    Unfortunately we’re the bad guys, but the public is being duped.

  36. Corvinus says:

    “This is a manufactured event, just like all the other recent shootings. The eyewitnesses are on the payroll and these events are for the purpose of changes our guns laws and furthering the “war on terror” narrative.”

    Right, the federal government is at its ultimate BEST in staging hoaxes on a mass scale, but is at its complete WORST when it comes to intelligence and immigration matters.

    You are irrational and paranoid.

    “The eyewitnesses are on the payroll…”

    I imagine to you have direct evidence, right? Show me pay stubs of those individuals involved. Provide photographs of a “dry run”. Offer me accounts of how the event was planned in minute detail.

  37. Jeffrey S. says: • Website

    Corvinus,

    Thanks for the back-up, but I’m afraid our efforts are doomed — some people refused to see what is in front of their eyes. I even provided a link to video of wounded folks being led away from the club and plenty of ambulances in sight (again, in the middle of the night, with a police barricade around the scene, there is only so much footage you are able to get) and Pete refuses to look or listen.

    Instead, he wants to change the subject to our foreign policy!

    Here are a couple more folks on the payroll of Pete’s conspiracy:

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/06/17/amazing-video-hero-police-officer-reunites-with-orlando-terror-attack-victim-n2180066

    Remember, this payroll is big — 49 dead people who have grieving family and friends. I assume they are all on the payroll and the 49 have been sent away to lead lives under new identities? And all the doctors and nurses and first responders are on the payroll — as well as the wounded victims, who are simply faking their wounds? I never can quite follow how these conspiracies work…

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Pete S.
  38. alexander says:

    Is there a reason, Mr Roberts,why G4s and all its CEO’s and trustees are not in the dock, awaiting a plane (in hand cuffs) to Guantanamo bay ?

    After all, it was “their” employee who committed this horrific slaughter.

    Isn’t our war on terror meant to go after all “known” associates ?

    I would imagine the combined net worth of all G4s CEO’s (and its Trustees) adds up to several billion dollars….. if not more ?

    Let DHS do their job ..FOR ONCE……Seize all the assets of the top brass at G4s…and lock em in Guantanamo.

    DHS ,if it had once ounce of integrity, would GO AFTER every single state employer of G4s, over the last ten years ,too….and demand harsh sanctions on their governments.

    and be tough as hell about it.

    There ! ….That makes a very small dent in our 20 trillion dollar national debt.

    But at least it is progress.

    No such luck ? What a surprise.

    How utterly fraudulent is our “War on Terror” if the employers of the “Orlando terrorist”, are wholly above the law ?

    How utterly fraudulent is our “War on Terror” if all foreign states who EMPLOYED G4s..are wholly above the law too ?

    Do we live in an age where any and all attempts at “terror justice” are a complete joke..

    .Is this what we have come to, Mr. Roberts ?

  39. MarkU says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Actually I don’t fully trust Giraldi or Roberts. The best way to control the opposition is to be the opposition.

    Giraldi comes across as something of a gatekeeper, seeming to oppose the establishment but rather too often supporting some very questionable official narratives along the way, the same goes for Ray McGovern. Once CIA always CIA?

    On the other hand Roberts (along with Alex Jones etc) is too indiscriminate and often undermines himself and all the true things he says by reflexively supporting any old conspiracy crap that comes along. If you are going to promote stuff like 9/11 truth, operation Gladio etc you must be very cautious about what else you are prepared to support. Roberts is obviously intelligent enough to know that, yet he frequently drops turds into the metaphorical punchbowl. He also appears to be in total denial of the crimes of the Reagan establishment of which he was a part.

    David Ray Griffin is just about the only person who consistently gets it right.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @m___
  40. KenH says:
    @Jeffrey S.

    I’m not saying a shooting didn’t take place, but as always there are anomalies and peculiarities with the official version of events. For example, Omar Mateen allegedly hated gays, yet other stories cast him as a closeted homo Muslim who sometimes frequented gay bars including Pulse nightclub. He allegedly took pains to avoid killing blacks because “they’re alright”, yet there were at least 6-8 black victims on the cover of People Magazine. And a fellow part time cop said Mateen had made anti-black racial remarks. He allegedly sent sixteen texts and made a few phone call during the shooting, which at least strikes me as odd. A couple of other accounts have a man other than Omar blocking the egress of the gay patrons attempting to flee the ongoing carnage.

    About the only thing media accounts seem to agree on is that he was Muslim who sympathized with and drew inspiration from ISIS.

    So what’s the truth? Is this just sloppy journalism or a campaign of deliberate misinformation to keep everyone confused?

    • Replies: @KenH
  41. @Jeffrey S.

    Yes, people do talk. however, sometimes it takes a little while, and besides, they know how to keep mum if their palms are greased.

    It’s appropriate to encourage skepticism as Mr Roberts has done. It sure beats the knee jerk parroting of the sewer stream media.

  42. @Jeffrey S.

    What is wrong with you people.

    For true believers, absence of evidence for their conspiracy theory is evidence that the conspiracy is even more awesomely enormous than anyone ever imagined.

  43. Pete S. says:
    @Jeffrey S.

    The mother of a “supposed victim” does yet another interview. She seems to be doing them around the clock. This one from a studio, see the green screen.

    The supposed shooter is a DHS contractor and employee G4S, zionist owned security company. This allows DHS to create the backstory on the individual.

    http://newzsentinel.com/9-clues-indicating-orlando-mass-shooting-is-a-false-flag-operation/

    The event is 100% a hoax. And if anyone died (no evidence thus far) it’s a false flag. Everything is scripted. Americans need to wake up. This is a gun grab at a minimum. These events will continue until those with an agenda get what they want.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  44. KenH says:
    @KenH

    To clarify, 6-8 blacks were killed in the shooting and not simply wounded. We are told Omar Mateen hated homosexuals, so why did he express his wish during the shooting to spare black homosexuals? How do we know he was speaking Arabic at one point during his calls? What evidence exists that he spoke Arabic which is a very difficult language to learn? Maybe he just knew a few phrases, but this hasn’t been addressed by the media or authorities. How did the person on the other end know he was speaking Arabic? Wouldn’t Omar Mateen want the person on the other end to know what he’s saying? Has the tape of the call been released to the public? If not, why not?

    There may be easy answers but I haven’t seen them yet. Some of us require some details to make sense of things.

    For the record, most of the victims were Latinos, so if the left were true to their principles this would be a double whammy hate crime.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  45. I know someone who had friends who died in that event. It’s absolutely insane to claim that no one really died in that event, or that it was all staged. That being said, there are a lot of fishy things going on, like the guy being able to pass a background check after being under investigation by the FBI. The phone calls also seem fishy, and there are a few other things worth investigating. But please, the idea that this was staged and that nobody actually died is complete garbage and discredits anyone who spouts it and detracts from legitimate lines of questioning the official narrative.

  46. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ed

    “How many of these shootings-by- lunatics happen before the DHS was created?”

    Plenty. You obviously have access to the internet. Look them up.

  47. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jeffrey S.

    It’s pointless to ask why Roberts and people like him invariably wave the “false-flag”. For some, it is a mania – some kind of mental defect. For others, it is because they are rather dull, and believing such things makes them feel smart. I don’t think that Mr. Roberts is stupid, but clearly a lot of people who gas on about this crap are. In any event, Roberts seems to have run off into la-la land. Everything is a conspiracy – yada, yada, yada. He claims extra special knowledge about the inner workings of the government, but on what basis does he claim that? That he was an Assistant Treasury Secretary thirty years ago? Yeah………..that’s “the inner circle”.

  48. Mr. Anon says:
    @KenH

    “To clarify, 6-8 blacks were killed in the shooting and not simply wounded. We are told Omar Mateen hated homosexuals, so why did he express his wish during the shooting to spare black homosexuals? ”

    You mean he said he would spare them, and then killed them anyway? Shocking. If you can’t trust a deranged mass-murderer, who can you trust? Next we’ll find out that he double-parked his car too.

    • Replies: @alexander
  49. Mr. Anon says:
    @Pete S.

    ” She seems to be doing them around the clock. This one from a studio, see the green screen.”

    No. I don’t see the green screen. I just hear some idiot claiming there is a green screen. TV crews use bright lights, even when not in a studio. Even outdoors sometimes. All I see in evidence is what one always sees in these “truther” videos – autistic-like monomania.

  50. Mr. Anon says:
    @Pete S.

    “These events will continue until those with an agenda get what they want.”

    And to the extent that what they want is ever increasing muslim immigration, you “false-flag” guys are helping them.

    You’re helping them a whole lot. The New World Order never had such good allies as all you “false-flag” types.

  51. Mr. Anon says:
    @Pete S.

    “It screams hoax.”

    It doesn’t scream hoax. You do. You guys are always screaming hoax.

    So that we can better gauge your credibility, can you give us a list of all the things you consider to be hoaxes? Start with the “Moon Hoax” if that’s on your list.

  52. Mr. Anon says:

    “One person who said he is a veteran said the AR-15 can have a 30-round clip.”

    That’s the kind of hard-hitting investigative journalism I’ve come to expect from Paul Craig Roberts.

    1.) The shooter is not alleged to have used an AR-15, nor indeed an AR variant of any kind.

    2.) It’s a magazine – not a clip.

    3.) “One person who said he is a veteran….” – that sure is an unimpeachable source.

  53. alexander says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Didn’t Omar Mateens’ ex-wife state , categorically, that he was ,in fact, gay…..and the FBI told her NOT to discuss this…because it was bad for their “narrative”… or something ?…Then wasn’t she threatened with imprisonment…on some trumped up charges of buying his guns…. because she would not be silent ?

    And wasn’t Mateen an employee of one of the worlds largest “counter-terrorism” security firms ……G4S ?

    Shouldn’t G4S be shut down, and all its top brass be thrown in Guantanamo ?..

    And all their assets delivered to our treasury ?

    Is there a reason why they shouldn’t be ?….

    Mateen, as a “terrorist”, was not only a “known associate” of G4S….he was an “employee” of the company , for crying out loud…

    The establishment narrative has totally collapsed on this one…..As the facts come out we see their bullet points all falling in on themselves…one by one.

    Will it make a difference.

    I doubt it.

    If there is anything that has become crystal clear over the last fifteen years…It is that the “facts”never stand in the way of what they want to do.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  54. Rehmat says:

    When two great liars like Obama and Netanyahu condemned the Orlando shooting – I knew it was a false flag operation to demonize Muslims for the Zionist entity.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/06/13/florida-latino-gay-club-shooting-another-psyop/

  55. Mr. Anon says:
    @alexander

    “Didn’t Omar Mateens’ ex-wife state , categorically, that he was ,in fact, gay…..and the FBI told her NOT to discuss this…because it was bad for their “narrative”… or something ?…Then wasn’t she threatened with imprisonment…on some trumped up charges of buying his guns…. because she would not be silent ?”

    Yes, that all seems to be true. And it makes the false-flag narrative (and I call it a “narrative” because it is not the truth) even less plausible. The Powers-That-Be stage an attack and place the blame on a homosexual muslim? Why? If they did so, why do the authorities then go out of their way to downplay both his homosexuality and his islamicism? Why would they make him gay in the first place? To make gays seem unstable and dangerous? Do the Powers-That-Be seem anti-gay to you? Unless it’s some kind of triple-bank-shot, the likes of which doesn’t exist outside the plots of movies.

    “And wasn’t Mateen an employee of one of the worlds largest “counter-terrorism” security firms ……G4S ?”

    G4S does a lot of things – from guarding nuclear power plants to guarding gated communities for old-folks, in which capacity this Mateen fellow was employed.

    “Shouldn’t G4S be shut down, and all its top brass be thrown in Guantanamo ?. And all their assets delivered to our treasury ? Is there a reason why they shouldn’t be ?…. Mateen, as a “terrorist”, was not only a “known associate” of G4S….he was an “employee” of the company , for crying out loud…”

    If that is the case, then the US army should be disbanded and its commanders sent to Gitmo, because of Nidal Hassan.

    “If there is anything that has become crystal clear over the last fifteen years…It is that the “facts”never stand in the way of what they want to do.”

    That’s certainly true. The sensible thing to do would be to stop muslim immigration, for any number of reasons. But I’m not counting on that.

  56. atsme says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    The killing of Bogart’s partner has all the makings of a Killery shooting.

  57. m___ says:
    @MarkU

    “Giraldi”

    …the Chomsky way of being establishment, (conventional references and benefits), and denouncing by nitpicking, and often irrelevant factoids. Some of it.

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