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Has the American Establishment Opted for Thermo-Nuclear War?

If you want to be an American TV talking head or a Western presstitute, you are required to be brain-dead and integrity-challenged like Bill O’Reilly, CNN, MSNBC, and the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and all the rest.

In an interview with President Donald Trump, O’Reilly said: “Putin is a killer.”

O’Reilly is indifferent to the fact that thermo-nuclear war is a killer of planet Earth. For O’Reilly, President Trump’s desire to normalize relations with Russia is an indication that the President of the US is comfortable making deals with killers, as if America’s last three presidents have not been mass killers comfortable with their destruction in whole or part of many countries and millions of peoples.

President Trump’s response to O’Reilly’s was: “We’ve got a lot of killers. What do you think – our country’s so innocent?”

The only thing wrong with President Trump’s response is that it implicitly accepts that Putin is no different from Obama, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton. Yet there is no evidence that Putin is a “killer.” This accusation is an assertion from those who prosper from having a “Russian threat” to keep the money and power flowing to themselves.

As Finian Cunningham shows, Trump should have reprimanded O’Reilly for his unsupported and undiplomatic accusation against the president of a country with which President Trump hopes to restore normal relations. http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/02/06/trump-apology-for-killer-putin-wrongheaded.html

President Trump’s statement of an obvious fact was quickly branded “defense of a killer” by congressional Republicans, Hillary Democrats, the liberal, progressive, left-wing, and the Western presstitutes.

Even online sites, such as politico.com, jumped in to criticize “Donald Trump’s defense of Vladimir Putin’s homicidal history.” Allegations of “Putin’s homicidal history” are astonishing after 24 years of Washington’s genocide against Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Syria, and non-Muslims in Yugoslavia and the Russian regions of Ukraine. Washington ranks as one of the worst mass murderers in human history, but the Western presstitutes brand Putin as the one who is homicidal.

Listen to these members of Congress who represent Americans in Washington:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R, Ky) said referring to the thrice elected President of Russia: “He’s a thug.” McConnell has gone along with Washington’s mass murder of peoples for 15 years, and this accomplice to mass murder said that Washington’s murder of countless millions, which have sent refugees all over the Western world, are not evidence against America. In his response to Trump’s statement, McConnell actually said: “We don’t operate in any way the way the Russians do. I think there’s a clear distinction here that all Americans understand, and I would not have characterized it that way.” http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/republicans-denounce-trumps-defense-of-killer-putin-234665

The Republican senator from Florida, Marco Rubio, said: “We are not the same as Putin.” Of course we aren’t. We are mass murderers.

The Republican senator from Nebraska, Ben Sasse, said, and this is a level of ignorance hard to believe even for Americans, that “Putin is an enemy of political dissent. The U.S. celebrates political dissent and the right for people to argue free from violence about places or ideas that are in conflict [as at Cal Berkeley]. There is no moral equivalency between the United States of America, the greatest freedom loving nation in the history of the world, and the murderous thugs that are in Putin’s defense of his cronyism.”

The Wall Street Journal’s Bret Stephens said: “Trump puts US on moral par with Putin’s Russia. Never in history has a President slandered his country like this.”

No Bret, you have it backwards. No US president has ever slandered Russia like this. There is no moral equivalency between Washington and Moscow. Washington is totally devoid of all morality. Russia is not. It is not Russia that has murdered, maimed, and displaced peoples in at least 9 countries in the last 15 years, sending refugees all over the Western world, some of whom no doubt bear legitimate grudges.

Trump’s vice president, Mike Pence, rushed to tell NBC that Trump didn’t mean that Washington is not morally superior to Putin’s Russia. Of course the US is morally superior to everyone. The millions of peoples we kill and dislocate are proof of our unquestioned moral superiority. Every time we bomb a wedding, a funeral of the wedding guests, a children’s soccer game, innumerable hospitals and medical centers, schools, farms, public transportation, we exceptional and indispensable Americans are demonstrating our moral superiority over the Earth. Only the morally superior can commit vast crimes against humanity without being held accountable.

Normal relations with Russia do not seem to be in the cards. The demonization and lies will continue. The New Cold War is too important to the ruling establishment, and to the members of the House and Senate who are dependent on military/security campaign donations, for Trump to be allowed to normalize relations with Russia.

Everything that Reagan and Gorbachev achieved has been undone. The material interest of a few has again placed humanity at risk.

“The greatest freedom loving nation in the history of the world” can’t even have a debate about it, because a debate is Putin apologetics and moral equivalency.

(Reprinted from PaulCraigRoberts.org by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. I guess these senators forgot the official “assassination policy” of the United States that the CIA carried out in the 60s and 70s. This policy was stopped by President Ford but reinstated by President Reagan. But remember, we are an exceptional nation. Our president can make a list of targets and each day when the hit is carried out he can check the name off of the list. But since we do it in a premeditated way, we cannot be termed killers.

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    • Replies: @KenH

    This policy was stopped by President Ford but reinstated by President Reagan.
     
    If it was reinstated by Reagan is there any evidence that he exercised that power? Your mulatto Nobel Laureate had his own kill list which was unprecedented. Even wicked, racist Reagan didn't have one.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/30/glenn_greenwald_obamas_secret_kill_list
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  2. The only people we know for sure that Putin has “killed” are ISIS thugs in Syria, killed by his Air Force and perhaps some Chechen Spetznaz at the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria, the same ISIS thugs that Trump wants to kill and eradicate!

    Well, perhaps we can add some ISIS type terrorists killed during the Second Chechen war, which may be why he is willing to go help Syria when they request it, having had experience previously fighting those terrorists within the Russian Federation.

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  3. Allegations of “Putin’s homicidal history” are astonishing after 24 years of …

    Astonishing? Not if you’re from this planet. If they started calling him ‘his majesty’ like they do Mr Abdullah of Jordan, now that would’ve been astonishing…

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  4. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Speaking of killers, who killed Seth Rich?

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    It increasingly appears that there was a plan to engineer confrontation and conflict with Russia that’s been derailed by the election of Trump rather than the expected winner Clinton. Hence the level of anger and outrage. The no-fly zone planned for Syria would have led to conflict and unpredictable consequences. The situation in Ukraine would have been deliberately ratcheted up as conflict would have been pushed as a way of getting at the Russians. The whole thing was reckless and irresponsible. The American public was being held hostage by these people and it appears we dodged a massive bullet by not going along with the planned coronation of Clinton. Now, there’s at least a hope for taking things down a notch and getting some breathing room for the next four years. A hope, anyway, and not the phony ‘hope’ sold by the previous phony we had. The politicians and media celebrities are all privileged people who went to our more prestigious schools and should therefore be well informed. Yet they have these massive blind spots and simply repeat party line slogans as though they are artificial intelligence robots. Our supposed elite are incompetent, isolated from reality and becoming downright dangerous.

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  6. @MEexpert
    I guess these senators forgot the official "assassination policy" of the United States that the CIA carried out in the 60s and 70s. This policy was stopped by President Ford but reinstated by President Reagan. But remember, we are an exceptional nation. Our president can make a list of targets and each day when the hit is carried out he can check the name off of the list. But since we do it in a premeditated way, we cannot be termed killers.

    This policy was stopped by President Ford but reinstated by President Reagan.

    If it was reinstated by Reagan is there any evidence that he exercised that power? Your mulatto Nobel Laureate had his own kill list which was unprecedented. Even wicked, racist Reagan didn’t have one.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/30/glenn_greenwald_obamas_secret_kill_list

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    • Replies: @MEexpert

    But remember, we are an exceptional nation. Our president can make a list of targets and each day when the hit is carried out he can check the name off of the list.
     
    This sentence refers to the list kept by the Nobel Laureate President.

    Your mulatto Nobel Laureate had his own kill list which was unprecedented. Even wicked, racist Reagan didn’t have one.
     
    No he was not my Mulatto Nobel Laureate. If you have read my comments in various threads on this forum you will know that I never clained him as mine.
  7. O’Reilly is not someone you look to for foreign policy elucidation as he’s a neo-con and Likudnik. I remember he wanted to bomb France for being critical of our invasion of Iraq in 2003. It’s pretty obvious he detests Putin and is therefore not objective in his reporting of the Russian leader.

    Putin doesn’t conduct public beheadings like our great ally Saudi Arabia, yet O’Reilly doesn’t have any cross words for king Salman of SA . I’ve long suspected that O’Reilly just belches out CIA and Mossad disinformation disguised as news on foreign policy matters since it always aligns with their and Israel’s goals which isn’t a coincidence.

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    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    True enough about O'Reilly but in his defense, compared to the likes of Sean Hannity he's Paul Craig Roberts.
  8. The former establishment is going down in flames of hissy fits and tantrums. Stupidity and lies are their only solution to counter reality, and finally violence will be their final act as they torch the village in order to save it. Long live the lufa king, Bill O’Oreilly. He is, after all, a true American Idiot.

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  9. @KenH

    This policy was stopped by President Ford but reinstated by President Reagan.
     
    If it was reinstated by Reagan is there any evidence that he exercised that power? Your mulatto Nobel Laureate had his own kill list which was unprecedented. Even wicked, racist Reagan didn't have one.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/30/glenn_greenwald_obamas_secret_kill_list

    But remember, we are an exceptional nation. Our president can make a list of targets and each day when the hit is carried out he can check the name off of the list.

    This sentence refers to the list kept by the Nobel Laureate President.

    Your mulatto Nobel Laureate had his own kill list which was unprecedented. Even wicked, racist Reagan didn’t have one.

    No he was not my Mulatto Nobel Laureate. If you have read my comments in various threads on this forum you will know that I never clained him as mine.

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  10. Time to start playing “Neunundneunzig Luftballons” on the radio again. Maybe Trump and his cabinet will take it to heart like Reagan did back in the 80′s.

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  11. Putin’s grandfather was one of Stalin’s ‘vetted’ chefs/cooks.

    Stalin was a killer.

    Therefore Putin is a killer.

    Now there is a modern day American syllogism!

    O’Really remembers his Haavahd phil 101 course on deductive logic.

    Cheers-

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    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    Maybe he was part of the Doctors', er, Chefs' Plot to poison Stalin?
    , @Ace
    Funny!
  12. @MEexpert
    And who killed John P. O'Neill?

    Who he?

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    • Replies: @MEexpert

    The Propaganda Preparation of 9/11: The Mysterious Death of John O’Neill, FBI Counterterror Chief in Charge of the Osama bin Laden Investigation
     
    He knew too much about the counter-terrorism efforts in the US and was at odds with the FBI. He died mysteriously on 9/11. Google his name and you will find many stories about him.
  13. @KenH
    O'Reilly is not someone you look to for foreign policy elucidation as he's a neo-con and Likudnik. I remember he wanted to bomb France for being critical of our invasion of Iraq in 2003. It's pretty obvious he detests Putin and is therefore not objective in his reporting of the Russian leader.

    Putin doesn't conduct public beheadings like our great ally Saudi Arabia, yet O'Reilly doesn't have any cross words for king Salman of SA . I've long suspected that O'Reilly just belches out CIA and Mossad disinformation disguised as news on foreign policy matters since it always aligns with their and Israel's goals which isn't a coincidence.

    True enough about O’Reilly but in his defense, compared to the likes of Sean Hannity he’s Paul Craig Roberts.

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    • Replies: @nsa
    While Cuck 'Reilly was on TalmudVision enlightening the masses, his wife was busy also.....bonking a NYC detective......according to the divorce proceedings. Cuck 'Reilly never summoned up the balls to confront the cop Lothario (suckers are always armed and usually grumpy)....but according to his daughter's eye witness testimony, Cuck did slap the wandering wife around a little to show his displeasure. When it comes to humiliating a fraud, the women are absolute masters.
  14. So it’s the “establishment” now instead of blaming Trump. Trump is the guy that hand picked this WW3 threatening cabinet.

    Roberts has gone off the rails. So desperate to believe in Trumps lies and still defending Trumps evil.

    Absolutely nothing has been learnt by the Obama deception as PC Roberts keeps demonstrating.

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  15. @dearieme
    Who he?

    The Propaganda Preparation of 9/11: The Mysterious Death of John O’Neill, FBI Counterterror Chief in Charge of the Osama bin Laden Investigation

    He knew too much about the counter-terrorism efforts in the US and was at odds with the FBI. He died mysteriously on 9/11. Google his name and you will find many stories about him.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    He didn't die mysteriously. He died in the collapse of the towers.
  16. Our Politicos have been morally and intellectually bankrupt for at least 70 years. Try to tell that to our exceptional selves. We r dying philosophically intellectually and spiritually. We better snap out of it or else the rest of the world we leave us behind in all aspects relating to humanity and humanism.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    I want to go buy more ammo and kerosene every time I read the words "humanity" and "humanism."
  17. @Connecticut Famer
    True enough about O'Reilly but in his defense, compared to the likes of Sean Hannity he's Paul Craig Roberts.

    While Cuck ‘Reilly was on TalmudVision enlightening the masses, his wife was busy also…..bonking a NYC detective……according to the divorce proceedings. Cuck ‘Reilly never summoned up the balls to confront the cop Lothario (suckers are always armed and usually grumpy)….but according to his daughter’s eye witness testimony, Cuck did slap the wandering wife around a little to show his displeasure. When it comes to humiliating a fraud, the women are absolute masters.

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  18. @Timur The Lame
    Putin's grandfather was one of Stalin's 'vetted' chefs/cooks.

    Stalin was a killer.

    Therefore Putin is a killer.

    Now there is a modern day American syllogism!

    O'Really remembers his Haavahd phil 101 course on deductive logic.


    Cheers-

    Maybe he was part of the Doctors’, er, Chefs’ Plot to poison Stalin?

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  19. O’Reilly is indifferent to the fact that thermo-nuclear war is a killer of planet Earth. For O’Reilly, President Trump’s desire to normalize relations with Russia is an indication that the President of the US is comfortable making deals with killers, as if America’s last three presidents have not been mass killers comfortable with their destruction in whole or part of many countries and millions of peoples.

    Are you sure? I read that commie Sagan grossly exaggerated the “nuclear winter”

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    • Replies: @Krollchem
    Besides name calling, have you done your research and can provide links to your viewpoint?
  20. has putin ever done anything major that isn’t a reaction to usa interfering with russia or it’s allies? I am having a hard time coming up with it.

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  21. @Marcus

    O’Reilly is indifferent to the fact that thermo-nuclear war is a killer of planet Earth. For O’Reilly, President Trump’s desire to normalize relations with Russia is an indication that the President of the US is comfortable making deals with killers, as if America’s last three presidents have not been mass killers comfortable with their destruction in whole or part of many countries and millions of peoples.
     
    Are you sure? I read that commie Sagan grossly exaggerated the "nuclear winter"

    Besides name calling, have you done your research and can provide links to your viewpoint?

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    This is the first thing I found on a quick search, I'll try to find the original I was referencing
    https://www.brainscape.com/blog/2015/06/what-carl-sagan-got-right-and-wrong/
  22. @Krollchem
    Besides name calling, have you done your research and can provide links to your viewpoint?

    This is the first thing I found on a quick search, I’ll try to find the original I was referencing

    https://www.brainscape.com/blog/2015/06/what-carl-sagan-got-right-and-wrong/

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    • Replies: @Krollchem
    A common misconception is that the Gulf war oil fires produced smoke plumes similar to that of a nuclear exchange. The thick black smoke from these fires did not rise far into the atmosphere and were washed out within months. In contrast, nuclear war would result in smoke from thousands of cities being sucked up into nuclear fireballs which rise much higher into the atmosphere and would persist MUCH longer.

    I suggest you consider the recent modeling studies cited here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

    See also:
    http://eastwestaccord.com/turning-blind-eye-towards-armageddon-us-leaders-reject-nuclear-winter-studies-dr-steven-starr/

    As a retired chemist, I was disappointed that even these recent nuclear winter studies failed to consider the contribution of sulfur from sheet rock to upper atmosphere cooling. Interesting how so much sulfur has been incorporated into housing. Add the sulfate component to the models and the cooling would be much worst than predicted as sulfate would magnify the cooling from smoke injected into the upper atmosphere:
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Aerosols/page3.php

    If this isn’t enough, In the absence of nuclear winter, there is the potential for rapid warming due to arctic methane release: http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/03/human- extinction-2026/

    Climate change is very complex with over a hundred factors, few of which are considered in the oversimplified debate at the fourth grade level.
  23. @ Fran Macadam,

    Just to be clear I wasn’t making a bad joke. Putin’s grandfather actually was one of Stalin’s chefs. This of course would have implied heavy vetting and impeccable ‘worker’s’ credentials. Needless to say an advantage for Vlad when he himself would be vetted for his KGB employment. One of the strange little trivia details that seem to pop up more often than they should.

    The doctor’s plot as best as I can discern from not a little amount of reading ( 6 major Stalin books) was pure paranoia/dementia however still based on what Stalin knew about the Edomites. If you are interested but not obsessed by the subject (Stalin) the best book, bar none, is Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar.

    Cheers-

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    Needless to say an advantage for Vlad when he himself would be vetted for his KGB employment.
     
    I don't think they cared who your grandfather was, at all. See this, for example:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin#Early_life_and_education
  24. @Marcus
    This is the first thing I found on a quick search, I'll try to find the original I was referencing
    https://www.brainscape.com/blog/2015/06/what-carl-sagan-got-right-and-wrong/

    A common misconception is that the Gulf war oil fires produced smoke plumes similar to that of a nuclear exchange. The thick black smoke from these fires did not rise far into the atmosphere and were washed out within months. In contrast, nuclear war would result in smoke from thousands of cities being sucked up into nuclear fireballs which rise much higher into the atmosphere and would persist MUCH longer.

    I suggest you consider the recent modeling studies cited here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

    See also:

    http://eastwestaccord.com/turning-blind-eye-towards-armageddon-us-leaders-reject-nuclear-winter-studies-dr-steven-starr/

    As a retired chemist, I was disappointed that even these recent nuclear winter studies failed to consider the contribution of sulfur from sheet rock to upper atmosphere cooling. Interesting how so much sulfur has been incorporated into housing. Add the sulfate component to the models and the cooling would be much worst than predicted as sulfate would magnify the cooling from smoke injected into the upper atmosphere:

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Aerosols/page3.php

    If this isn’t enough, In the absence of nuclear winter, there is the potential for rapid warming due to arctic methane release: http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/03/human- extinction-2026/

    Climate change is very complex with over a hundred factors, few of which are considered in the oversimplified debate at the fourth grade level.

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  25. @Timur The Lame
    @ Fran Macadam,

    Just to be clear I wasn't making a bad joke. Putin's grandfather actually was one of Stalin's chefs. This of course would have implied heavy vetting and impeccable 'worker's' credentials. Needless to say an advantage for Vlad when he himself would be vetted for his KGB employment. One of the strange little trivia details that seem to pop up more often than they should.

    The doctor's plot as best as I can discern from not a little amount of reading ( 6 major Stalin books) was pure paranoia/dementia however still based on what Stalin knew about the Edomites. If you are interested but not obsessed by the subject (Stalin) the best book, bar none, is Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar.

    Cheers-

    Needless to say an advantage for Vlad when he himself would be vetted for his KGB employment.

    I don’t think they cared who your grandfather was, at all. See this, for example:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin#Early_life_and_education

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  26. @Timur The Lame
    Putin's grandfather was one of Stalin's 'vetted' chefs/cooks.

    Stalin was a killer.

    Therefore Putin is a killer.

    Now there is a modern day American syllogism!

    O'Really remembers his Haavahd phil 101 course on deductive logic.


    Cheers-

    Funny!

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  27. @MEexpert

    The Propaganda Preparation of 9/11: The Mysterious Death of John O’Neill, FBI Counterterror Chief in Charge of the Osama bin Laden Investigation
     
    He knew too much about the counter-terrorism efforts in the US and was at odds with the FBI. He died mysteriously on 9/11. Google his name and you will find many stories about him.

    He didn’t die mysteriously. He died in the collapse of the towers.

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  28. @falcemartello
    Our Politicos have been morally and intellectually bankrupt for at least 70 years. Try to tell that to our exceptional selves. We r dying philosophically intellectually and spiritually. We better snap out of it or else the rest of the world we leave us behind in all aspects relating to humanity and humanism.

    I want to go buy more ammo and kerosene every time I read the words “humanity” and “humanism.”

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  29. @Astuteobservor II
    has putin ever done anything major that isn't a reaction to usa interfering with russia or it's allies? I am having a hard time coming up with it.

    Very astute.

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