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In 2004 I published an article in the journal, Middle East Policy that was entitled “Drinking the Koolaid.” The article reviewed the process by which the neocon element in the Bush Administration seized control of the process of policy formation and drove the United States in the direction of invasion of Iraq and the destruction of the apparatus of the Iraqi state. They did this through manipulation of the collective mental image Americans had of Iraq and the supposed menace posed by Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Not all the people who participated in this process were neocon in their allegiance but there were enough of them in the Bush Administration to dominate the process. Neoconism as it has evolved in American politics is a close approximation of the imperialist political faction that existed in the time of President William McKinley and the Spanish-American War. Barbara Tuchman described this faction well in “The Proud Tower.”

Such people, then and now, fervently believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States as mankind’s best hope of a utopian future and concomitantly in the responsibility of the United States to lead mankind toward that future. Neocons believe that inside every Iraqi, Filipino or Syrian there is an American waiting to be freed from the bonds of tradition, local culture and general backwardness. For people with this mindset the explanation for the continuance of old ways lies in the oppressive and exploitative nature of rulers who block the “progress” that is needed. The solution for the imperialists and neocons is simple. Local rulers must be removed as the principal obstacle to popular emulation of Western and especially American culture and political forms. In the run up to the invasion of Iraq I was often told by leading neocon figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis had no culture worth keeping and that once we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote) these people would quickly abandon their old ways and beliefs as they sought to become something like Americans. This notion has one major flaw. It is not necessarily correct. Often the natives are willing to fight you long and hard to retain their own ways. In the aftermath of the Spanish-American War the US acquired the Philippine Islands and sought to make the islands American in all things. The result was a terrible war against Filipino nationalists who did not want to follow the example of the “shining city on a hill.” No, the “poor fools” wanted to go their own way in their own way. The same thing happened in Iraq after 2003. The Iraqis rejected occupation and American “reform” of their country and a long and bloody war ensued.

The neocons believe so strongly that America must lead the world and mankind forward that they accept the idea that the achievement of human progress justifies any means needed to advance that goal. In the case of the Iraq invasion the American people were lectured endlessly about the bestialities of Saddam’s government. The bestialities were impressive but the constant media display of these horrors was not enough to persuade the American people to accept war. From the bestialities meme the neocons moved on to the WMD meme. The Iraqi government had a nuclear weapons program before the First Gulf War but that program had been thoroughly destroyed in the inspection regime that followed Iraq’s defeat and surrender. This was widely known in the US government because US intelligence agencies had cooperated fully with the international inspectors in Iraq and in fact had sent the inspectors to a long list of locations at which the inspectors destroyed the program. I was instrumental in that process.

After 9/11 the US government knew without any doubt that the Iraqi government did not have a nuclear weapons program, but that mattered not at all to the neocons. As Paul Wolfowitz infamously told the US Senate “we chose to use the fear of nuclear weapons because we knew that would sell.” Once that decision was made an endless parade of administration shills appeared on television hyping the supposed menace of Iraqi nuclear weapons. Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice were merely the most elevated in position of the many vendors of the image of the “mushroom shaped cloud.”

And now we have the case of Syria and its supposed chemical weapons and attacks. After the putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013, an OPCW program removed all the chemical weapons to be found in Syria and stated its belief that there were no more in the country. In April of 2017 the US-Russian de-confliction process was used to reach agreement on a Syrian Air Force strike in the area of Khan Sheikoon in southern Idlib Province. This was a conventional weapons attack and the USAF had an unarmed reconnaissance drone in the area to watch the strike go in against a storage area. The rebel run media in the area then claimed the government had attacked with the nerve gas Sarin, but no proof was ever offered except film clips broadcast on social media. Some of the film clips from the scene were ludicrous. Municipal public health people were filmed at the supposed scene standing around what was said to be a bomb crater from the “sarin attack.” Two public health men were filmed sitting on the lip of the crater with their feet in the hole. If there had been sarin residue in the hole they would have quickly succumbed to the gas. No impartial inspection of the site was ever done, but the Khan Sheikoon “gas attack” has become through endless repetition a “given” in the lore of the “constant Syrian government gas attacks against their own civilians.”

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On the 4th of April it is claimed that the Syrian Government, then in the process of capturing the town of Douma caused chlorine gas to be dropped on the town killing and wounding many. Chlorine is not much of a war gas. It is usually thought of as an industrial chemical, so evidently to make the story more potent it is now suggested that perhaps sarin was also used.

No proof that such an attack occurred has been made public. None! The Syrian and Russian governments state that they want the site inspected. On the 15th of April US Senator Angus King (I) of Maine told Jake Tapper on SOTU that as of that date the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence had not been given any proof by the IC or Trump Administration that such an attack had occurred. “They have asserted that it did” he said.

The US, France and the UK struck Syria with over a hundred cruise missiles in retaliation for this supposed attack but the Administration has not yet provided any proof that the Syrian attack took place.

I am told that the old neocon crew argued as hard as possible for a disabling massive air and missile campaign intended to destroy the Syrian government’s ability to fight the mostly jihadi rebels. John Bolton, General (ret.) Jack Keane and many other neocons argued strongly for this campaign as a way to reverse the outcome of the civil war. James Mattis managed to obtain President Trump’s approval for a much more limited and largely symbolic strike but Trump was clearly inclined to the neocon side of the argument. What will happen next time?

Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many years

 
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  1. RobinG says:

    More from Douma, with Pearson Sharp -

    OAN’S PEARSON SHARP REFUTES MSM REPORTS OF ALLEGED SYRIAN CHEMICAL ATTACK

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    More from The Jimmy Dore Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=292&v=_O2TRzA2ezk
    , @Sowhat
    This video (45 minutes) explains that The New American Century is STILL-UNFOLDING game plan and the ULTIMATE GOAL for Israel and the neocon madman,Bolton AND Trump IS IRAN.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHsfc49Y_Fk
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  2. WhiteWolf says:

    The biggest damage from the strikes on Syria was to the credibility of the US, French and Airstrip One governments. In the days of dubya at least some effort was put into the false flags.

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    • Replies: @Realist

    In the days of dubya at least some effort was put into the false flags.
     
    The shallowness and insouciance of Americans has rendered that superfluous.
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  3. Great article, except the USA did not “acquire the Philippine Islands”, it invaded! The Syrian disaster is best explained by a Columbia University professor, who was mistakenly booked on MSNBC, as Jimmy Dore explains:

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    • Agree: Realist
    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @HooperHooper
    I understand your point, but Col. Lang's statement of acquired is correct. The USA "acquired" the Phillipine islands as a result of the treaty ending the Spanish-American war. There was a following military occupation and war against nationalist rebels, but that doesn't make his wording incorrect.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Disagree because Jimmy Dore made a mistake in heaping so much praise on Sache without knowing who he was.

    In my opinion, Jeffrey Sachs's appearance on MSNBC is a smokescreen, political cover to exonerate the Deep State, banister predators and Israel firsters from complicity in the destruction of Syria.

    Sachs was a leading actor, together with George Soros, Paul Wolfowitz and Jonathan Bush, brother-in-law of the late, sainted Barbara Bush, in the Rape of Russia in the Yeltsin years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1343&v=ZLVypNN4fHU

    h/t The Saker, complete w/ transcript: https://thesaker.is/the-rape-of-russia-saker-blog-exclusive-interview/
    , @Patrick Lang
    Spain ceded the Philippine Islands to the US at the end of the Spanish American War.
    , @Svigor
    This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander says "regime change never works," but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and Germany after WWII. The problem is when you try to change regimes for incompetent populations, like Arabs; Arabs aren't capable of running a liberal democracy. An Arab liberal democracy is doomed to be overthrown, because Arabs don't have the psychological constitution for it.

    Then the Admiral says intervention worked in the Balkans, and again, nobody can bring up that Europeans aren't Arabs, and Arabs aren't Europeans, because Jews.

    But Jews blanket every venue where people bump their gums for a living, and Jews haaaaaaaate the reality of HBD. More precisely, they hate Whites talking or knowing about the reality of HBD, so Jewish Job One is preventing Whites from talking about HBD. This means we don't get to mention the fact that regime change in Arab countries is doomed to failure. On the contrary, we are all forced to abide by the Jewish ban on HBD, and pretend to believe in the Jewish delusion of human cognitive group equality.
    , @Procopius
    No, the US "acquired" the Philippines through the Treaty of Paris. The battle of Manila between the American and Spanish fleets was not an invasion of the islands. Some time later, when the Phillipine "insurrectos" refused to accept American governance we did send an army to kill the rebels, but we were technically the lawful government of the islands by then.
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  4. The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

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    • Agree: mark green, Mishra, Z-man, L.K, Druid
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Lang spelled that out in "Drinking the Koolaid," the 2004 article mentioned in the first sentence.

    He wrote:


    " . . .single-minded intensity in pursuing his goals was nothing new for [Douglas] Feith. In July 1996, he had been a principal author of a study prepared for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This paper advocated abrogation of the Oslo accords and the launch of a new regional balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military dominance with a subsidiary military role for Turkey and Jordan. The study was produced by the "Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies" (IASPS), a Jerusalem-based Likud-party-linked think tank, and was called "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm." In it, Feith and company wrote,

    "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq -- an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right -- as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions."
     
    The study-group leader was Richard Perle. Other members of the team included Charles Fairbanks Jr., a longtime friend of Paul Wolfowitz since their student days together at the University of Chicago; and David Wurmser, an American Enterprise Institute Middle East fellow, and his wife, Meyrav Wurmser, who headed the Washington, DC office of the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). Her boss in that group was a retired Israeli intelligence officer, Yigal Carmon.
    On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle presented the "Clean Break" document to Netanyahu, who was visiting Washington. Two days later, the Israeli prime minister unveiled the document as his own regional foreign-policy design in a speech before a joint session of the U.S. Congress.
    http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/drinking-kool-aid?print
     
    Regulars on Unz forum regularly mention "A Clean Break," but noting the "regional balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military dominance with a subsidiary military role for Turkey and Jordan, " and given the amount of money and military aid US taxpayers provide to Israel, why is this group hiring, training and arming "moderate rebels" to "foil Syria's regional ambitions" rather than carrying out the mission themselves?

    Also, and based on comments by US Congressman Steven Russell (R-OK) (among others) in appearances on C Span, where praise is lavished on Jordan's king Abdullah, it appears Jordan is still on board the aging ship Clean Break , tho Turkey is threatening mutiny.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?444201-5/washington-journal-representative-steve-russell-r-ok-discusses-congress-role-syria-conflict

    The same actors -- including the sociopathic Michael Ledeen-- of this neocon cabal have been reading the same script from the run-up to war with Iraq
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jilA-ZeBUI4&version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
    to the fulfillment of their obsession with attacking Iran:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=886&v=v9vXSvjiWaI

    Notice that fifteen years on, the neocon criminal gang has added new, younger members, i.e. Richard Goldberg and Michaela Dodge. Goldberg is fanatically pro-Israel from his Jewish day school primary school to his anti-BDS activities in Illinois government and anti-Iran achievements in US senate.

    , @Seamus Padraig
    True. I love Col. Lang's blog and have followed it for years now. He's really good at military strategy, and--as a ME specialist--is very helpful in analyzing and predicting events in Syria, Iraq, etc. But the main thing that's missing at his blog ('Sic Semper Tyrannis') is any analysis of Israel's role in this. There's no mention of the Oded Yinon plan, or the Clean Break memo, or the 'Pearl Harbor-type event' paper. And while Lang is very good at pointing out the absurdity of Washington's statements relative to reality, he's not so good at untangling propaganda from what really motivates the highest-level people who are behind all of this. Hint: it's not 'democracy promotion'.
    , @iffen
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel.

    Yeah, one has to willfully ignore the overwhelming historical evidence of the perfidious Jewish cabal dragging TR and his “conscripts” by the nose up San Juan Hill.
    , @Z-man
    The Zionist Entity, the great albatross around America's neck.
    In a way it was fine that W. Patrick Lang did not mention the Zionist Entity by name. It's smart not to mention it all the time as it can be like 'beating a dead horse' among other things. Not mentioning it directly and just saying Neocon deflects the accusation of the anti-'S' label but in a subtle manner associates Zionism with Neocons, which can be a more persuasive way to make the point without screaming, like me (lol), that it's the same thing.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Come to think of it, I mostly agree with this comment: Col. Lang conflated American operating principle of "Manifest Destiny" with the zionist / neoconservative ideology (psychopathology).

    imo the process is more subtle: Manifest Destiny/Anglos and zionist/neoconservatives share mythological roots in Abrahamism, which posits that the "chosen" have a lock on truth, morality and god, and that they have the right and obligation to destroy anyone who fails to subscribe to that truth and their overlordship of it -- Evangelical Christians and Anglicans hold this concept fast.

    The zionist twist on this is twofold: First, Jews believe they are the ordained by god to be in charge; Jews have been chosen by god to "teach the world ethics, to drag the rest of the world kicking and screaming to behave morally." http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/96037069.html Apparently, some Jews really believe this.

    Second, but the larger zionist agenda is to establish Jews as a hegemonic if not global imperial power from a base in Israel, and they are using USA treasure, political and military power as its tool to achieve what are, ultimately, Jewish goals.

    To be sure, US policymakers, elites, and tens of thousands of ordinary citizens willingly and/or unwittingly subscribe to a similar predatory and dominating agenda. But if (when?) Jewish zionists achieve their goals, US will be discarded like toilet paper.

    It's useful to recognize that the early leaders of the zionist movement -- Herzl, Nordau, Pinsker and others -- recognized early on that Jews needed the support of a major power to achieve their goals, and solicited that support from the German kaiser, the Ottoman sultan, and the British.

    When Chaim Weizmann's activities to gain British support were successful, the same zionist Jews who had earlier petitioned Germany and Ottoman turned violently against those same powers and brought about their destruction. Germany's destruction was maneuvered in short order; the destruction of the Ottoman empire successor states has taken longer.

    Maybe those Arabs aren't so dumb after all.
    , @Patrick Lang
    I'll say to you what I say to others. I beat up the Zionists both here and in Israel all the time but I am not going to say that all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world. As for the neocons their agenda is much larger than just Zionism.
    , @Titus I
    The American Empire is facing a historical junction : does become a mercenary putative force for Zionist Israel or Will the USA priorize its own NATIONAL interests over Israeli. The prize of becoming a Zionist surrogate will mean the progressive deterioration of the American empeirein the Middle East, and the world. America faces severe national debt, decaying infrastructure, and internal social fragmentation. On the other hand Israel is poised to become the ENERGY hub for the European, African, Asian economies,without Israeli OIL supply lines all those economies will be paralyzed. Furthermore American blind,almost irrational support for Israel will mean more dangerous terrorists attacks and more frequent..The Trump presidency is in fact a Neocon presidency, the democratic decision making (war) process is dead, and this Syrian war means that it doesn't matter whom iselected president ultimately AIPAC, Israel, make the final decisions.
    , @Thirdeye
    "Making the world safe for democracy" was the sales pitch for preserving the F, UK empires long before there was Israel. That effort was driven largely by American Blue Blood bankers who had risky investments in the UK war effort. American Jews were suspected of loyalty to the Kaiser because they loathed the Russian Tsar.
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  5. @Carlton Meyer
    Great article, except the USA did not "acquire the Philippine Islands", it invaded! The Syrian disaster is best explained by a Columbia University professor, who was mistakenly booked on MSNBC, as Jimmy Dore explains:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

    I understand your point, but Col. Lang’s statement of acquired is correct. The USA “acquired” the Phillipine islands as a result of the treaty ending the Spanish-American war. There was a following military occupation and war against nationalist rebels, but that doesn’t make his wording incorrect.

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    Your view is a common myth. Why do people assume the Philippines belonged to Spain, who could give it away? Anyway, by the time the American Army arrived, there was an established Filipino government and a large regular army that was running the nation. Just a few tiny pockets of Spanish troops remained waiting for rescue. After the Americans saved them, they attacked and invaded the Philippines, fighting the regular Army for over a year until it was destroyed, then the resulting insurgency. The US military conquered the Philippines beginning with the bloody "Battle of Manila".
    , @Sitting Bull
    Realty seized under violent duress and unprovoked aggression, where its rightful owners have been bombed into submission? whose owners then "sign a treaty" ceding their God-given native rights/land- to salvage themselves from being wiped out to extinction by an invading horde?
    That is genocidal extortion and not realty "acquired" legitimately or legally no matter if the invader is Genghis Khan, USA or ISIS. No sale.
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  6. Wally says:

    But who are the “Neo-Cons”?
    Who is their loyalty to?

    http://www.codoh.com

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    To themselves
    , @gwynedd1
    Some are no doubt loyal to the US. Heirloom tomatoes don't know who they are. The grower does. All one needs to do is put them there and have them do what they do. The beneficiaries are the weapons industry, Zionists , and carpet baggers. They tend the neocon gardens.
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  7. Rather uninteresting article. Nothing new. Didn’t even mention Israel’s immense and ongoing role in the destabilization of Syria. Ho hum.

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  8. Nice to see Pat Lang article on Unz Review.
    And an excellent one, as usual.

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  9. Trump has made a complete mess of this and “next time” thus inevitably means something much more solid. He has dug himself deeper into the Russiagate hole and there’s only one way out. Since Putin is totally bogged down in Syria, there’s no hurry on “next time”. All Putin can do is sit and wait for it to happen. Trump will probably have to act before the midterms.

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    Trump has made a complete mess of this and “next time” thus inevitably means something much more solid. He has dug himself deeper into the Russiagate hole and there’s only one way out. Since Putin is totally bogged down in Syria, there’s no hurry on “next time”. All Putin can do is sit and wait for it to happen. Trump will probably have to act before the midterms.
     
    I think this whole charade served another purpose. And Nikki Haley’s comments added to it (“we will never be friends with Russia and will we smack Russia whenever we want”). It allowed the Russians to start thinking the unthinkable. Unleashing the nuclear genie and using MAD to end the madness. I believe it will create a ramping up of nuclear forces in Russia. I don’t believe the option was really on the table until the false flag and the completely irrational and unhinged response from the West. Preceded by the other ludicrous Skripal affair which the U.S. and other Western countries accepted as true and evicted Russian officials based on it. I think in the final hours before the missile strikes of last Friday it was a somber mood among Russian military planners and there was a a begrudging willingness to consider the unthinkable nuclear option. Now I think it is fully on the table and Russian planners will start thinking and visualizing about scenarios and will make its future use more real and thus much easier to undertake. In fact, merely thinking about and visualizing about scenarios will create an excitement which will animate their future decision. If the Punjabi Clemson accounting major, Nimrata Randhawa, is correct and will not be friends with Russia and smack them whenever “we” want, you’d better get right with God and live your final days virtuously because the end of the world as we know it is at hand.
    , @Ace
    Russia is hardly "bogged down" in Syria. Putin's played an excellent hand and now victory over the jihadis is near total but for Idlib. The U.S. occupation of eastern Syria is unsustainable and all Assad, Russians, Iranians, and Hezbollahians need to do is sit back and wait for the financial and political pressure to build on the U.S. ($32M an hour by one calculation).

    Turkey will have to pull out. No one understands its invasion, especially as the Kurds there were hardly focused on supporting PKK terrorism in Turkey. It cannot lay claim to ownership of what it controls in Syria and Syria will eventually tighten the noose around them, esp. if Russia continues its support (without being seen to be attacking a member of NATO directly).

    The U.S. has completely squandered what moral authority and good will it had after WWII. Our capering on the Russian border in e. Europe and our fawning over the Israeli agenda in Syria have made us look like fools. And we are. Having Nikki over at the U.N. is just fantastic for comic relief in the midst of this horrible tragedy of U.S. fools playing soldier and swooning over "spec ops."
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  10. joseph51 says:

    The neocons have a right to their opinion and their desired world order, just like anyone else. What they DO NOT have, is the right to perpetrate WARS OF AGRESSION, which include both War Crimes an Crimes Against Humanity under its purview, to reach those goals. Under our Constitution and system of government ONLY Congress is legally authorized to declare war on another nation. Congress has NOT declared war on the sovereign nation of Syria, there is no self defense issue here and such an attack has not been approved by the United Nations so, IT IS NOT UP TO THE PRESIDENT AND SOME GROUP OF HIS ADVISORS.
    Those in the military have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution. You are not obligated to obey obviously criminal orders, in fact you are obligated to defend against all those violating our Constitution. By God, do your duty.
    Where is Congress? They should be making sure that these criminals do not exercise authority that is reserved to Congress. By not preventing these crimes the military and Congress become accomplices and accessories to the most heinous crime defined by mankind…WAR OF AGRESSION.
    Any and all those in authority who ordered past attacks and or order future attacks are guilty of WAGING AGGRESSIVE WAR. Any one who assisted in any way are accomplices, and/or accessories to the crimes and are equally guilty and subject to arrest and prosecution without time limit. The excuse of following orders will not be accepted.
    If the neocons actually carry out the criminal act of “a disabling massive air and missile campaign intended to destroy the Syrian government’s ability to fight the mostly jihadi rebels,” don’t be surprised if the Russians and Chinese vaporize the United States.

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  11. the putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013

    I have to wonder why, with the known facts of this 2013 attack in the public domain, our ‘other IC’ never goes there except with the most vague allusions. Here is the 2013 attack in known detail:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2018/04/15/what-can-be-known-vs-what-will-be-known/

    I’m no fan of ‘Realpolitik’, let the chips fall as they should. In fact, the reality of 2013 should inform us of the reality of 2018, and where to bring the pressure to pop the abscess – before the abscess becomes WWIII

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  12. Randal says:

    Great to see Colonel Lang added to the list of Unz writers. His direct expertise and experience in ME military and intel matters are unsurpassed, and as someone who has been intentionally excluded from the mainstream media because of his determination to express inconvenient truths that the powerful would prefer remain unsaid, he fits perfectly into the Unz mission statement: “A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media.”

    After the putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013, an OPCW program removed all the chemical weapons to be found in Syria and stated its belief that there were no more in the country.

    Let’s recall whilst considering this point that the OPCW is not some anti-American bureaucracy uninfluenced by US power. Here is what happened to an OPCW leader who crossed the US neocons:

    “We can’t accept your management style,” Bolton told Bustani in 2002, as Bustani recounted to The Intercept.

    “You have 24 hours to leave the organization, and if you don’t comply with this decision by Washington, we have ways to retaliate against you,” he reportedly continued. After a pause, Bolton reportedly said, “We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New York.”

    Bustani was taken aback by Bolton’s directness, but did not back down, according to The Intercept.
    ……
    Bustani eventually was forced to step down after the US convinced its allies in the organization to rally against him, according to The Times. He was forced out by a stunning vote of 48 to 7 and 43 abstentions.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-threatened-family-of-brazilian-diplomat-iraq-war-2002-2018-3

    If the OPCW appears to be cooperating suspiciously with US objectives on an issue, that’s credible. The contrary, not so much.

    On that note, let’s also recall that the OPCW inspected one of the main targets of the recent US action, claimed by the US and its collaborators to be an active chemical weapons site, the Barzeh research centre, in 2017:

    He said it’s “totally incorrect” that chemical weapons were being developed there. “The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) visited here and didn’t report anything wrong with this place.”
    ….
    CBS News looked into the OPCW report from Barzeh and it noted the Syrians had delayed the visit for security concerns, but didn’t find any red flags.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-airstrikes-brazeh-complex-damascus-2018-04-14/

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    Great to see Colonel Lang added to the list of Unz writers.

    Yes, excellent addition.
    , @for-the-record
    Regarding Barzah/Barzeh, here is the actual OPCW document dated 23 March 2018 referring to the November 2017 inspection:

    In accordance with paragraph 11 of Council decision EC-83/DEC.5, the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities of the SSRC was concluded on 22 November 2017. The results of the inspections were reported as an addendum (EC-87/DG.15/Add.1, dated 28 February 2018) to the report entitled “Status of Implementation of Executive Council Decision EC-83/DEC.5 (dated 11 November 2016)” (EC-87/DG.15, dated 23 February 2018). The analysis of samples taken during the inspections did not indicate the presence of scheduled chemicals in the samples, and the inspection team did not observe any activities inconsistent with obligations under the Convention during the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities

    https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
     
    Interestingly, this document is not particularly easy to find, for some (no doubt innocent) reason it has not (yet?) been included among the list of "Progress Reports" on the OPCW site:

    https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/related-official-documents/
    , @Jimbank
    This is really important to understand
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  13. Realist says:
    @WhiteWolf
    The biggest damage from the strikes on Syria was to the credibility of the US, French and Airstrip One governments. In the days of dubya at least some effort was put into the false flags.

    In the days of dubya at least some effort was put into the false flags.

    The shallowness and insouciance of Americans has rendered that superfluous.

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  14. Mishra says:

    While I certainly agree with the gist of this essay, the following quotation is news to me and I’d appreciate a citation–I can’t find it anywhere.

    Paul Wolfowitz infamously told the US Senate “we chose to use the fear of nuclear weapons because we knew that would sell.”

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    Lang may have been loosely paraphrasing here. The version I'm familiar with is:

    "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair.
     
    Inter alia: https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-05-30-wolfowitz-iraq_x.htm
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  15. I have long been a fan of Colonel Lang’s stand against the current neocon policy in the Middle East. Here I find the most authoritative account of the thinking behind the Syrian disaster I have seen.

    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon’s table? Our politicians surely can’t think they’re exceptional too. Though in a way one hopes they might be – I no longer believe that those politicians represent the thinking of the great mass of people in Europe and the UK.

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    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon’s table? Our politicians surely can’t think they’re exceptional too.
     
    Well clearly the US's European satrapies don't share directly in the US updated Manifest Destiny idea, but the US sphere elites in general are fully indoctrinated in the universalist ideology of internationalist social-liberalism and "democracy"-uber-alles (where "democracy" - whether in Republican, constitutional monarchic or other form - is in reality a kind of managed gerrymander to keep the established and US-favoured elites safely in control and ensure "populists" are excluded by any means necessary), and sees itself as on a mission to promote the spread of US style liberal (managed) "democracy" throughout the world (except where it's currently inconvenient to push it too hard for reasons of temporary expedience, such as in places like Saudi Arabia). There might well be a psychological component akin to Stockholm Syndrome, whereby people like Blair, Macron etc see the power of the US and the US exceptionalist ideology over their countries, know they are subordinate to it, and seek to internalise a wider version of it for themselves so that they can tell themselves that when they are serving Washington's objectives and profiting handsomely thereby, they are actually doing it for their own noble ideals.

    Then of course, human beings being human, there are also other self-serving motivations underlying the idealist pretext - collaboration for personal gain with the jewish/Israeli lobby that is hugely powerful in the UK and Europe as well as in the US, military-industrial types wanting to boost the status and budgets of the military, etc. These are the real motivations, as opposed to the legitimising pretext that is the supposedly noble ideal of American exceptionalism or internationalist social liberalism.

    Lately the British regime's enthusiasm for the interventionist project seems to be greater even than that of the US regime, for instance.
    , @RobinG
    Don't assume US neocons are calling all the shots. It was Sarkozy (goaded by Zionist Bernard Henri Levy) took the lead to attack Libya. And at least some believe London is still the core of Imperialist aggression.

    Yesterday, for the first time, a Russian general pierced this lie on RT when he stated that there was proof that the UK was behind the well-orchestrated and completely staged “gas attacks” in Douma.

    Yes, you read that right, he said the UK. Not the US, not Israel, not Saudi Arabia, but the UK. Those of you familiar with my writing know that I am constantly pointing my finger at the City of London for the lies, deception, and wars which dominate the headlines of their propaganda rags."
     
    Crown Bulldog Attacks Syria
    https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/crown-bulldog-attacks-syria/

    As fort the "[non] thinking of the great mass of people," since when does that matter?
    , @annamaria
    "Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon’s table? "
    --- Correct. The current breed of opportunists operating without any kind of responsibility makes the international corps of political whores-in-charge. These politicians look at the Blairs (a $100 million fortune) and Cheney & Bush (both getting richer with every day) and they know that the opportunisms, however criminal, will be rewarded by the "deciders." The incompetent and sycophantic politicians in the EU/UK governments have zero regards for their citizenry. We can be absolutely sure that there are no idealists among the leading UK politicians in power.
    To believe that American ruling class (which is heavily zionized) has any idealistic motivations instead of a rabid drive for money and power is an illusion. The majority of the US politicians are committed to the criminal enterprises, whether local or global, when the enterprises promise a gesheft, which is the only criterion.
    , @Thirdeye
    Short answer, F,UK were the world's leading imperial powers before WWII and seek to leverage American military and financial power to restore some degree of imperial power. The Atlantic Charter and the UN Charter were bitter pills for the old empires. France sought to override the UN Charter by force in Vietnam and Algeria, but lacked the wherewithall. Britain, France, and Israel sought to override it by force in the 1956 Suez Crisis until Daddy Ike told them that it wasn't cool. The umbrella of American power is their best remaining means of re-establishing imperial power. It puts the onus on the US for violations of international law, but promises them some restoration of imperial power in MENA.

    Looking at the parade of toads that have occupied the White House in recent years, I have more and more respect for Eisenhower's balls in the 1956 crisis. Such a move by an American President seems unimaginable today.
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  16. @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    Lang spelled that out in “Drinking the Koolaid,” the 2004 article mentioned in the first sentence.

    He wrote:

    ” . . .single-minded intensity in pursuing his goals was nothing new for [Douglas] Feith. In July 1996, he had been a principal author of a study prepared for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This paper advocated abrogation of the Oslo accords and the launch of a new regional balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military dominance with a subsidiary military role for Turkey and Jordan. The study was produced by the “Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies” (IASPS), a Jerusalem-based Likud-party-linked think tank, and was called “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” In it, Feith and company wrote,

    “Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.”

    The study-group leader was Richard Perle. Other members of the team included Charles Fairbanks Jr., a longtime friend of Paul Wolfowitz since their student days together at the University of Chicago; and David Wurmser, an American Enterprise Institute Middle East fellow, and his wife, Meyrav Wurmser, who headed the Washington, DC office of the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). Her boss in that group was a retired Israeli intelligence officer, Yigal Carmon.
    On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle presented the “Clean Break” document to Netanyahu, who was visiting Washington. Two days later, the Israeli prime minister unveiled the document as his own regional foreign-policy design in a speech before a joint session of the U.S. Congress.
    http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/drinking-kool-aid?print

    Regulars on Unz forum regularly mention “A Clean Break,” but noting the “regional balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military dominance with a subsidiary military role for Turkey and Jordan, ” and given the amount of money and military aid US taxpayers provide to Israel, why is this group hiring, training and arming “moderate rebels” to “foil Syria’s regional ambitions” rather than carrying out the mission themselves?

    Also, and based on comments by US Congressman Steven Russell (R-OK) (among others) in appearances on C Span, where praise is lavished on Jordan’s king Abdullah, it appears Jordan is still on board the aging ship Clean Break , tho Turkey is threatening mutiny.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?444201-5/washington-journal-representative-steve-russell-r-ok-discusses-congress-role-syria-conflict

    The same actors — including the sociopathic Michael Ledeen– of this neocon cabal have been reading the same script from the run-up to war with Iraq

    to the fulfillment of their obsession with attacking Iran:

    Notice that fifteen years on, the neocon criminal gang has added new, younger members, i.e. Richard Goldberg and Michaela Dodge. Goldberg is fanatically pro-Israel from his Jewish day school primary school to his anti-BDS activities in Illinois government and anti-Iran achievements in US senate.

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    One of the reasons Tom Friedman supplied for his support to Iraq war among many similar excuses, was the support Saddam offered to the suicide bombers.

    One of the reason the terrorist one day may think is the support given by the Zionists to the bombers attacker gentile politicians .
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  17. @Carlton Meyer
    Great article, except the USA did not "acquire the Philippine Islands", it invaded! The Syrian disaster is best explained by a Columbia University professor, who was mistakenly booked on MSNBC, as Jimmy Dore explains:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

    Disagree because Jimmy Dore made a mistake in heaping so much praise on Sache without knowing who he was.

    In my opinion, Jeffrey Sachs’s appearance on MSNBC is a smokescreen, political cover to exonerate the Deep State, banister predators and Israel firsters from complicity in the destruction of Syria.

    Sachs was a leading actor, together with George Soros, Paul Wolfowitz and Jonathan Bush, brother-in-law of the late, sainted Barbara Bush, in the Rape of Russia in the Yeltsin years.

    h/t The Saker, complete w/ transcript: https://thesaker.is/the-rape-of-russia-saker-blog-exclusive-interview/

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    Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. And yes, Dore is dopey. (Sachs has been on MSNBC many times. It was no mistake.) But, IMO, take gold where you find it.... limited hangout or not.
    If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn't make it a lie. Plus, you're not going to get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert fomentation of regime-change in Syria makes this golden.

    Here's the clip without Jimmy Dore's interruptions, only 5 min.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw
    Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria
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  18. Our southern neighbors are the largest threat to the US than any Middle Eastern State.

    I will continue to contend to drop the label “neoconservative” because it is inaccurate. What we have are those who desire intervention for political and mercantilism *economic” ambitions — interventionists.
    ——————–

    ” I was often told by leading neocon figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis had no culture worth keeping and that once we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote) these people would quickly abandon their old ways and beliefs as they sought to become something like Americans. This notion has one major flaw. It is not necessarily correct. Often the natives are willing to fight you long and hard to retain their own ways. In the aftermath of the Spanish-American War the US acquired the Philippine Islands and sought to make the islands American in all things.”

    I am unclear why you are equivocating here. It is entirely incorrect as demonstrated throughout the region repeatedly.

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    Our southern neighbors are the largest threat to the US than any Middle Eastern State.

    I will continue to contend to drop the label “neoconservative” because it is inaccurate. What we have are those who desire intervention for political and mercantilism *economic” ambitions — interventionists.
     
    "Zionist" is more accurate than either.
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  19. @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    True. I love Col. Lang’s blog and have followed it for years now. He’s really good at military strategy, and–as a ME specialist–is very helpful in analyzing and predicting events in Syria, Iraq, etc. But the main thing that’s missing at his blog (‘Sic Semper Tyrannis’) is any analysis of Israel’s role in this. There’s no mention of the Oded Yinon plan, or the Clean Break memo, or the ‘Pearl Harbor-type event’ paper. And while Lang is very good at pointing out the absurdity of Washington’s statements relative to reality, he’s not so good at untangling propaganda from what really motivates the highest-level people who are behind all of this. Hint: it’s not ‘democracy promotion’.

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    Ah, you want me to propagandize for your preferred positions. You want me to scream every day that the JEWS did it. You are supposed to be able to read between the lines and understan the truth of things. You are more of sa simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog.
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  20. I wonder if the neocons have any idea about forward.
    Their forward for me is just world domination, that what Franklin Roosevelt already tried, but what failed miserably.

    In 1946 the Soros then, Bernard Baruch, in vain pleaded for a world government, that is, the USA governing the world.
    Stalin and Mao tse Tung had other ideas.

    We now have Putin, the Chinese government, India, Iran, IS, the other BRICS countries, I think the majority of Muslims, most S and Middle American countries, with other ideas.
    Even on German sites debate exists on the continuing USA occupation.
    Soros’ conflict with Hungary is there for anyone to see.

    Fool Macron states that the EU must have more power, to destroy increasing nationalism.
    He does not see that with more EU power nationalism rises.
    Shortly before the Brexit referendum someone in Britain said ‘they even interfere with vacuum cleaners’.

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  21. @Wally
    But who are the "Neo-Cons"?
    Who is their loyalty to?

    www.codoh.com

    To themselves

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    Another hasbarist in disguise has spoken.

    "To themselves" only after satisfying the demands of "that shitty little country".

    www.codoh.com

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  22. Ivan K. says: • Website

    You’re just wasting your nerves, and time. Just looking at what is done rather than what is being said, I see the world geopolitically moving in a splendid direction, with practically enlightened leaders in the major three countries. I see a false flag that had cost no lives, Syria becoming invincible to both NATO and Israel – a dream come true, I also see Russia firmly establishing itself on the Med for a first time, a forging of peace between the two Koreas after 60 years. All those are results to which the White House under Trump crucially contributes. (*)

    In the rest of the world, we can see improvement in the living conditions in most parts of the world unparalleled in history.

    The biggest problem are the European & American chattering and fear-mongering classes, imperialists and anti-imperialists alike. Surprisingly, they look like two sides of a same coin. On his website, Mr. Patrick Lang speaks about Mr. Trump, his president, in the most pejorative terms, while he has the highest praises for Collin Powell, who steadily and with a pronounced servility served the neocons. It was exactly Mr. Lang that, by serving Collin Powell, assisted the neocon dominance in the White House, and, among else, the Iraq disaster. Our greatest enemy demons are those inside ourselves.

    (*) Trump’s critics want to have their cake and eat it: Trump is wrong because of his stupendous warmongering, and by being such “a moron” as to be disastrous for his mad plans. Occam’s Razor applied to those two extraordinary observations points to the solid likelihood they are illusions. Illusion-making would be consistent with what I know about DJT personally anda fine a tit-for-tat to what the msm do to him. When surrounded by open mouths of beasts, throw them a bone or two.

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    On his website, Mr. Patrick Lang speaks about Mr. Trump, his president, in the most pejorative terms, while he has the highest praises for Collin Powell, who steadily and with a pronounced servility served the neocons.
     
    Powell? Really? Do you actually have some citations to back that up? I've followed Lang for several years now, and I have yet to see him praise Powell--at least not in his role as Sec'y of State. To be sure, Powell was a competent general, but way too much of a yes-man to stand up to the neocons (even though there's ample evidence he knew better from the start).
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  23. iffen says:
    @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel.

    Yeah, one has to willfully ignore the overwhelming historical evidence of the perfidious Jewish cabal dragging TR and his “conscripts” by the nose up San Juan Hill.

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    And their stellar efforts in Ukraine during the famine.
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  24. Jake says:

    If the Neocons would follow the example of (atheist or perhaps actual demon worshipping, socialist/Marxist, drug addict, bisexual) Jones and his main female inner circle and its largely black male inner circle of enforcers and also drink the kool-aid and die, then we’d be happy they were making a batch.

    The world would become safer and more sane.

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  25. iffen says:
    @Randal
    Great to see Colonel Lang added to the list of Unz writers. His direct expertise and experience in ME military and intel matters are unsurpassed, and as someone who has been intentionally excluded from the mainstream media because of his determination to express inconvenient truths that the powerful would prefer remain unsaid, he fits perfectly into the Unz mission statement: "A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media."

    After the putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013, an OPCW program removed all the chemical weapons to be found in Syria and stated its belief that there were no more in the country.
     

    Let's recall whilst considering this point that the OPCW is not some anti-American bureaucracy uninfluenced by US power. Here is what happened to an OPCW leader who crossed the US neocons:

    "We can't accept your management style," Bolton told Bustani in 2002, as Bustani recounted to The Intercept.

    "You have 24 hours to leave the organization, and if you don't comply with this decision by Washington, we have ways to retaliate against you," he reportedly continued. After a pause, Bolton reportedly said, "We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New York."

    Bustani was taken aback by Bolton's directness, but did not back down, according to The Intercept.
    ......
    Bustani eventually was forced to step down after the US convinced its allies in the organization to rally against him, according to The Times. He was forced out by a stunning vote of 48 to 7 and 43 abstentions.
     

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-threatened-family-of-brazilian-diplomat-iraq-war-2002-2018-3

    If the OPCW appears to be cooperating suspiciously with US objectives on an issue, that's credible. The contrary, not so much.

    On that note, let's also recall that the OPCW inspected one of the main targets of the recent US action, claimed by the US and its collaborators to be an active chemical weapons site, the Barzeh research centre, in 2017:

    He said it's "totally incorrect" that chemical weapons were being developed there. "The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) visited here and didn't report anything wrong with this place."
    ....
    CBS News looked into the OPCW report from Barzeh and it noted the Syrians had delayed the visit for security concerns, but didn't find any red flags.
     

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-airstrikes-brazeh-complex-damascus-2018-04-14/

    Great to see Colonel Lang added to the list of Unz writers.

    Yes, excellent addition.

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  26. @Michael Kenny
    Trump has made a complete mess of this and "next time" thus inevitably means something much more solid. He has dug himself deeper into the Russiagate hole and there's only one way out. Since Putin is totally bogged down in Syria, there's no hurry on "next time". All Putin can do is sit and wait for it to happen. Trump will probably have to act before the midterms.

    Trump has made a complete mess of this and “next time” thus inevitably means something much more solid. He has dug himself deeper into the Russiagate hole and there’s only one way out. Since Putin is totally bogged down in Syria, there’s no hurry on “next time”. All Putin can do is sit and wait for it to happen. Trump will probably have to act before the midterms.

    I think this whole charade served another purpose. And Nikki Haley’s comments added to it (“we will never be friends with Russia and will we smack Russia whenever we want”). It allowed the Russians to start thinking the unthinkable. Unleashing the nuclear genie and using MAD to end the madness. I believe it will create a ramping up of nuclear forces in Russia. I don’t believe the option was really on the table until the false flag and the completely irrational and unhinged response from the West. Preceded by the other ludicrous Skripal affair which the U.S. and other Western countries accepted as true and evicted Russian officials based on it. I think in the final hours before the missile strikes of last Friday it was a somber mood among Russian military planners and there was a a begrudging willingness to consider the unthinkable nuclear option. Now I think it is fully on the table and Russian planners will start thinking and visualizing about scenarios and will make its future use more real and thus much easier to undertake. In fact, merely thinking about and visualizing about scenarios will create an excitement which will animate their future decision. If the Punjabi Clemson accounting major, Nimrata Randhawa, is correct and will not be friends with Russia and smack them whenever “we” want, you’d better get right with God and live your final days virtuously because the end of the world as we know it is at hand.

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  27. @Randal
    Great to see Colonel Lang added to the list of Unz writers. His direct expertise and experience in ME military and intel matters are unsurpassed, and as someone who has been intentionally excluded from the mainstream media because of his determination to express inconvenient truths that the powerful would prefer remain unsaid, he fits perfectly into the Unz mission statement: "A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media."

    After the putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013, an OPCW program removed all the chemical weapons to be found in Syria and stated its belief that there were no more in the country.
     

    Let's recall whilst considering this point that the OPCW is not some anti-American bureaucracy uninfluenced by US power. Here is what happened to an OPCW leader who crossed the US neocons:

    "We can't accept your management style," Bolton told Bustani in 2002, as Bustani recounted to The Intercept.

    "You have 24 hours to leave the organization, and if you don't comply with this decision by Washington, we have ways to retaliate against you," he reportedly continued. After a pause, Bolton reportedly said, "We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New York."

    Bustani was taken aback by Bolton's directness, but did not back down, according to The Intercept.
    ......
    Bustani eventually was forced to step down after the US convinced its allies in the organization to rally against him, according to The Times. He was forced out by a stunning vote of 48 to 7 and 43 abstentions.
     

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-threatened-family-of-brazilian-diplomat-iraq-war-2002-2018-3

    If the OPCW appears to be cooperating suspiciously with US objectives on an issue, that's credible. The contrary, not so much.

    On that note, let's also recall that the OPCW inspected one of the main targets of the recent US action, claimed by the US and its collaborators to be an active chemical weapons site, the Barzeh research centre, in 2017:

    He said it's "totally incorrect" that chemical weapons were being developed there. "The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) visited here and didn't report anything wrong with this place."
    ....
    CBS News looked into the OPCW report from Barzeh and it noted the Syrians had delayed the visit for security concerns, but didn't find any red flags.
     

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-airstrikes-brazeh-complex-damascus-2018-04-14/

    Regarding Barzah/Barzeh, here is the actual OPCW document dated 23 March 2018 referring to the November 2017 inspection:

    In accordance with paragraph 11 of Council decision EC-83/DEC.5, the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities of the SSRC was concluded on 22 November 2017. The results of the inspections were reported as an addendum (EC-87/DG.15/Add.1, dated 28 February 2018) to the report entitled “Status of Implementation of Executive Council Decision EC-83/DEC.5 (dated 11 November 2016)” (EC-87/DG.15, dated 23 February 2018). The analysis of samples taken during the inspections did not indicate the presence of scheduled chemicals in the samples, and the inspection team did not observe any activities inconsistent with obligations under the Convention during the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities

    https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf

    Interestingly, this document is not particularly easy to find, for some (no doubt innocent) reason it has not (yet?) been included among the list of “Progress Reports” on the OPCW site:

    https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/related-official-documents/

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    Thanks f-t-r that's useful stuff as always.
    , @Ace
    It's there now.
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  28. Miro23 says:

    Such people, then and now, fervently believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States as mankind’s best hope of a utopian future and concomitantly in the responsibility of the United States to lead mankind toward that future. Neocons believe that inside every Iraqi, Filipino or Syrian there is an American waiting to be freed from the bonds of tradition, local culture and general backwardness.

    So the Neocons want to better the lives of Iraqis, Filipinos and Syrians by “introducing” them to the American way of life?? – Such kind and well meaning people.

    The current US is rather like a cross country trip in bad weather. The vehicle is bogged down in deep mud, giving the driver and occupants two options 1) Look out the windows and say, “We’re bogged down in deep mud. What are we going to do?” 2) Refuse to look out the windows and say, “There’s something wrong with this vehicle. Can we fix the engine?”

    The US as a society, isn’t going anywhere until it can face reality, and have an open and frank public debate about the Israeli/Zionist subversion of US institutions.

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  29. @HooperHooper
    I understand your point, but Col. Lang's statement of acquired is correct. The USA "acquired" the Phillipine islands as a result of the treaty ending the Spanish-American war. There was a following military occupation and war against nationalist rebels, but that doesn't make his wording incorrect.

    Your view is a common myth. Why do people assume the Philippines belonged to Spain, who could give it away? Anyway, by the time the American Army arrived, there was an established Filipino government and a large regular army that was running the nation. Just a few tiny pockets of Spanish troops remained waiting for rescue. After the Americans saved them, they attacked and invaded the Philippines, fighting the regular Army for over a year until it was destroyed, then the resulting insurgency. The US military conquered the Philippines beginning with the bloody “Battle of Manila”.

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  30. The fact is that Israel and the dual citizen ziocons aka neocons control the U.S. gov and proof of this is that Israel did the attack on the WTC on 911 and got away with it, and also did the attack on the USS LIBERTY and got away with that, and numerous other subversive things that would take a book to document, and got away with it all.

    Israel is destroying America.

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  31. @Ivan K.
    You're just wasting your nerves, and time. Just looking at what is done rather than what is being said, I see the world geopolitically moving in a splendid direction, with practically enlightened leaders in the major three countries. I see a false flag that had cost no lives, Syria becoming invincible to both NATO and Israel - a dream come true, I also see Russia firmly establishing itself on the Med for a first time, a forging of peace between the two Koreas after 60 years. All those are results to which the White House under Trump crucially contributes. (*)

    In the rest of the world, we can see improvement in the living conditions in most parts of the world unparalleled in history.

    The biggest problem are the European & American chattering and fear-mongering classes, imperialists and anti-imperialists alike. Surprisingly, they look like two sides of a same coin. On his website, Mr. Patrick Lang speaks about Mr. Trump, his president, in the most pejorative terms, while he has the highest praises for Collin Powell, who steadily and with a pronounced servility served the neocons. It was exactly Mr. Lang that, by serving Collin Powell, assisted the neocon dominance in the White House, and, among else, the Iraq disaster. Our greatest enemy demons are those inside ourselves.

    (*) Trump's critics want to have their cake and eat it: Trump is wrong because of his stupendous warmongering, and by being such "a moron" as to be disastrous for his mad plans. Occam's Razor applied to those two extraordinary observations points to the solid likelihood they are illusions. Illusion-making would be consistent with what I know about DJT personally anda fine a tit-for-tat to what the msm do to him. When surrounded by open mouths of beasts, throw them a bone or two.

    On his website, Mr. Patrick Lang speaks about Mr. Trump, his president, in the most pejorative terms, while he has the highest praises for Collin Powell, who steadily and with a pronounced servility served the neocons.

    Powell? Really? Do you actually have some citations to back that up? I’ve followed Lang for several years now, and I have yet to see him praise Powell–at least not in his role as Sec’y of State. To be sure, Powell was a competent general, but way too much of a yes-man to stand up to the neocons (even though there’s ample evidence he knew better from the start).

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    " Competent general"

    Yeah sure, fact is he acted as a "republican" during his military career, which enabled him to fit in with the other big wheels, seeing as most military folks are in fact republicans, and then he changed sides and supported BO. Competent no , opportunistic yeah.

    Authenticjazzman "mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz artisit.
    , @RobinG
    Isn't Ivan talking about back when Powell was SOS. Have you followed Lang that long? Did he even have a blog back then?

    It would be nice if Ivan shows evidence, but if it's true (as someone alleged here) that Lang disparages Larry Wilkerson, I find that very small minded. Larry has confessed his remorse and is trying hard to make amends. Surely that's better than not.

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  32. Mike P says:

    Trump was clearly inclined to the neocon side of the argument.

    How do we know that?

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  33. @Mishra
    While I certainly agree with the gist of this essay, the following quotation is news to me and I'd appreciate a citation--I can't find it anywhere.

    Paul Wolfowitz infamously told the US Senate “we chose to use the fear of nuclear weapons because we knew that would sell.”
     

    Lang may have been loosely paraphrasing here. The version I’m familiar with is:

    “The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason,” Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair.

    Inter alia: https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-05-30-wolfowitz-iraq_x.htm

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    If so, that's awfully sloppy, even for a paraphrase, and in no way a legitimate use of quotation marks.
    , @Svigor
    The practice in these situations is to present the paraphrased statement without quotation marks...
    , @Mishra
    Thanks, that was about the best I could find too. Have to agree with the other comments that the use of quotation marks was inappropriate at best.
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  34. Z-man says:
    @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    The Zionist Entity, the great albatross around America’s neck.
    In a way it was fine that W. Patrick Lang did not mention the Zionist Entity by name. It’s smart not to mention it all the time as it can be like ‘beating a dead horse’ among other things. Not mentioning it directly and just saying Neocon deflects the accusation of the anti-’S’ label but in a subtle manner associates Zionism with Neocons, which can be a more persuasive way to make the point without screaming, like me (lol), that it’s the same thing.

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  35. “…administration shills appeared on television hyping the supposed menace of Iraqi nuclear weapons. Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice…”

    I propose that international politics would be greatly clarified if we were to place a ‘CFR’ next to the name of every member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

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  36. @Carlton Meyer
    Great article, except the USA did not "acquire the Philippine Islands", it invaded! The Syrian disaster is best explained by a Columbia University professor, who was mistakenly booked on MSNBC, as Jimmy Dore explains:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

    Spain ceded the Philippine Islands to the US at the end of the Spanish American War.

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    Spain didn't own the Philippine Islands and were in the process of being pushed out by filipino people when the war between Spain and the US started. It took a war of invasion to make the PI into US territory.
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  37. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Lang may have been loosely paraphrasing here. The version I'm familiar with is:

    "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair.
     
    Inter alia: https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-05-30-wolfowitz-iraq_x.htm

    If so, that’s awfully sloppy, even for a paraphrase, and in no way a legitimate use of quotation marks.

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  38. I’m very glad to see Colonel Pat Lang writing for the Unz review.
    His own website–Sic Semper Tyrannis– is one of the best, most informative sites on the internet.
    It is “must read” for anyone who wants to follow national security issues, Syria, Ukraine and beyond.

    Lang doesn’t mince words or pull his punches. And his analysis is never short of brilliant.
    This is really a great addition for the Unz Review.

    Good work, Ron and a hearty “Welcome” to Colonel Lang!

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    Lang and Whitney are Goy Boy Shills of the first order. Never once have they crossed the Kosher Line In The Sand and fingered the vile conniving jooies for the destruction of the ME. And for good reason....they want to see their stuff in print somewhere and fear a total ban for indulging in......gasp......hate speech. So they sensibly resort to euphemisms like "neocon" to describe the bloodthirsty jooies and their Goy Boy useful idiots. As the cliche goes.....discretion is the better part of valor.
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  39. Svigor says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Great article, except the USA did not "acquire the Philippine Islands", it invaded! The Syrian disaster is best explained by a Columbia University professor, who was mistakenly booked on MSNBC, as Jimmy Dore explains:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

    This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander says “regime change never works,” but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and Germany after WWII. The problem is when you try to change regimes for incompetent populations, like Arabs; Arabs aren’t capable of running a liberal democracy. An Arab liberal democracy is doomed to be overthrown, because Arabs don’t have the psychological constitution for it.

    Then the Admiral says intervention worked in the Balkans, and again, nobody can bring up that Europeans aren’t Arabs, and Arabs aren’t Europeans, because Jews.

    But Jews blanket every venue where people bump their gums for a living, and Jews haaaaaaaate the reality of HBD. More precisely, they hate Whites talking or knowing about the reality of HBD, so Jewish Job One is preventing Whites from talking about HBD. This means we don’t get to mention the fact that regime change in Arab countries is doomed to failure. On the contrary, we are all forced to abide by the Jewish ban on HBD, and pretend to believe in the Jewish delusion of human cognitive group equality.

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    re:

    "This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander says “regime change never works,” but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and Germany after WWII. "
     
    WWII actions against Japan and Germany were not "regime changes" that "worked," they were total wars of destruction, conquest and genocide of the German people, in the case of Germany, which lost ~10 of its pop. while Japan lost ~5%.
    Japan has recovered, to a certain extent, probably because Japan's adversary was not Jews. Germany is still a fully occupied and de-culturalized state. Witness, for example, the Thompson article where Hindemann is compelled to discuss "Nazis" totally out of context.
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  40. Svigor says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Lang may have been loosely paraphrasing here. The version I'm familiar with is:

    "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair.
     
    Inter alia: https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-05-30-wolfowitz-iraq_x.htm

    The practice in these situations is to present the paraphrased statement without quotation marks…

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  41. Svigor says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Our southern neighbors are the largest threat to the US than any Middle Eastern State.


    I will continue to contend to drop the label "neoconservative" because it is inaccurate. What we have are those who desire intervention for political and mercantilism *economic" ambitions --- interventionists.
    --------------------

    " I was often told by leading neocon figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis had no culture worth keeping and that once we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote) these people would quickly abandon their old ways and beliefs as they sought to become something like Americans. This notion has one major flaw. It is not necessarily correct. Often the natives are willing to fight you long and hard to retain their own ways. In the aftermath of the Spanish-American War the US acquired the Philippine Islands and sought to make the islands American in all things."

    I am unclear why you are equivocating here. It is entirely incorrect as demonstrated throughout the region repeatedly.

    Our southern neighbors are the largest threat to the US than any Middle Eastern State.

    I will continue to contend to drop the label “neoconservative” because it is inaccurate. What we have are those who desire intervention for political and mercantilism *economic” ambitions — interventionists.

    “Zionist” is more accurate than either.

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    there are plenty of interventionists on the press for democracy and "capitalism" as cause for stabilizing regions that are not Jews or all that active in Zionists policies.

    The desire to regime change in North Korea and parts of Africa are not all that beneficial to Zionist ambitions. I am not all convinced that Israel is a democracy. But it's clear that neither Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan are going to raving democratic capitalist states - every. Muslim faith precludes such a system. even if said states did embrace democracy -- there is no evidence and would in all likelihood not reflect what exists in the US. Because what exists in the US is founded on a particular history and environment and inter-relational dynamics.

    The grand narrative they advance would be attractive as policy even minus the existence of Israel.


    --- Cutting off nonsense at the pass: I do think Israel has a right to exist. --
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  42. @Svigor
    This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander says "regime change never works," but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and Germany after WWII. The problem is when you try to change regimes for incompetent populations, like Arabs; Arabs aren't capable of running a liberal democracy. An Arab liberal democracy is doomed to be overthrown, because Arabs don't have the psychological constitution for it.

    Then the Admiral says intervention worked in the Balkans, and again, nobody can bring up that Europeans aren't Arabs, and Arabs aren't Europeans, because Jews.

    But Jews blanket every venue where people bump their gums for a living, and Jews haaaaaaaate the reality of HBD. More precisely, they hate Whites talking or knowing about the reality of HBD, so Jewish Job One is preventing Whites from talking about HBD. This means we don't get to mention the fact that regime change in Arab countries is doomed to failure. On the contrary, we are all forced to abide by the Jewish ban on HBD, and pretend to believe in the Jewish delusion of human cognitive group equality.

    re:

    “This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander says “regime change never works,” but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and Germany after WWII. “

    WWII actions against Japan and Germany were not “regime changes” that “worked,” they were total wars of destruction, conquest and genocide of the German people, in the case of Germany, which lost ~10 of its pop. while Japan lost ~5%.
    Japan has recovered, to a certain extent, probably because Japan’s adversary was not Jews. Germany is still a fully occupied and de-culturalized state. Witness, for example, the Thompson article where Hindemann is compelled to discuss “Nazis” totally out of context.

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    In context that's exactly what they are; the regime would like to do the exact same thing to SW Asia, but it won't work, because Japanese and Germans aren't Arabs.
    , @jilles dykstra
    There was neither regime change nor unconditional surrender in Japan.
    Germany was destroyed, physically and politically.
    Indoctrination of the Germans with their guilt for two world wars, and the murder of six million jews, goes on to this day.
    But even this indoctrination is crumbling.
    Many Germans do not see how the country they live in, that should just have a defensive army, cooperates in wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.
    Many Germans see how the poor jews who survived the holocaust treat the Palestinians.
    Germany now is going to buy Predators:
    https://kenfm.de/keine-kampfdrohnen/
    Trans 'No drones for battle'.
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  43. Wally says:
    @jilles dykstra
    To themselves

    Another hasbarist in disguise has spoken.

    “To themselves” only after satisfying the demands of “that shitty little country”.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  44. Svigor says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    re:

    "This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander says “regime change never works,” but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and Germany after WWII. "
     
    WWII actions against Japan and Germany were not "regime changes" that "worked," they were total wars of destruction, conquest and genocide of the German people, in the case of Germany, which lost ~10 of its pop. while Japan lost ~5%.
    Japan has recovered, to a certain extent, probably because Japan's adversary was not Jews. Germany is still a fully occupied and de-culturalized state. Witness, for example, the Thompson article where Hindemann is compelled to discuss "Nazis" totally out of context.

    In context that’s exactly what they are; the regime would like to do the exact same thing to SW Asia, but it won’t work, because Japanese and Germans aren’t Arabs.

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    That argument rests on assumptions that I consider ugly, a-historical, and counterproductive.

    What was done to Germany and Japan -- and to the former Ottoman empire as well as Iran -- from ~1907 'til today, was precipitated by some of the world's greatest psychopaths. They are still at large. THAT is the problem, not "HBD."

    , @Thirdeye

    In context that’s exactly what they are; the regime would like to do the exact same thing to SW Asia, but it won’t work, because Japanese and Germans aren’t Arabs
     
    It may be that the cases of Germany and Japan - highly ordered, cohesive, rules-based societies - are among the rare exceptions to the rule on unintended consequences of regime change. And in both cases regime change followed catastrophic military defeats with multiple millions of deaths and was followed by massive infusions of aid.

    Even Germany isn't such a great case for successful regime change when you look at the results of their 1918 defeat: years of political instability under a weak government until the rise of the Nazis.

    Japan retained their Emperor, which lent authority to their new government.

    Lastly, any regime change effort in a society with the historical memory of colonial domination is carrying some serious baggage.
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  45. Flavor Aid.
    Not Kool Aid.

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  46. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    “I was often told by leading neocon figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis had no culture worth keeping and that once we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote) these people would quickly abandon their old ways and beliefs as they sought to become something like Americans. This notion has one major flaw. It is not necessarily correct.”

    Only the meanest culture -free bastards can get away with this as a policy statement . It is millions times worse when someone condones it by saying ” It is not necessarily correct”

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  47. @Svigor
    In context that's exactly what they are; the regime would like to do the exact same thing to SW Asia, but it won't work, because Japanese and Germans aren't Arabs.

    That argument rests on assumptions that I consider ugly, a-historical, and counterproductive.

    What was done to Germany and Japan — and to the former Ottoman empire as well as Iran — from ~1907 ’til today, was precipitated by some of the world’s greatest psychopaths. They are still at large. THAT is the problem, not “HBD.”

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    You're missing the point, which is that the regime is trying to do to Arabs what they did to Japanese and Germans, and it won't work.
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  48. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Lang spelled that out in "Drinking the Koolaid," the 2004 article mentioned in the first sentence.

    He wrote:


    " . . .single-minded intensity in pursuing his goals was nothing new for [Douglas] Feith. In July 1996, he had been a principal author of a study prepared for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This paper advocated abrogation of the Oslo accords and the launch of a new regional balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military dominance with a subsidiary military role for Turkey and Jordan. The study was produced by the "Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies" (IASPS), a Jerusalem-based Likud-party-linked think tank, and was called "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm." In it, Feith and company wrote,

    "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq -- an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right -- as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions."
     
    The study-group leader was Richard Perle. Other members of the team included Charles Fairbanks Jr., a longtime friend of Paul Wolfowitz since their student days together at the University of Chicago; and David Wurmser, an American Enterprise Institute Middle East fellow, and his wife, Meyrav Wurmser, who headed the Washington, DC office of the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). Her boss in that group was a retired Israeli intelligence officer, Yigal Carmon.
    On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle presented the "Clean Break" document to Netanyahu, who was visiting Washington. Two days later, the Israeli prime minister unveiled the document as his own regional foreign-policy design in a speech before a joint session of the U.S. Congress.
    http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/drinking-kool-aid?print
     
    Regulars on Unz forum regularly mention "A Clean Break," but noting the "regional balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military dominance with a subsidiary military role for Turkey and Jordan, " and given the amount of money and military aid US taxpayers provide to Israel, why is this group hiring, training and arming "moderate rebels" to "foil Syria's regional ambitions" rather than carrying out the mission themselves?

    Also, and based on comments by US Congressman Steven Russell (R-OK) (among others) in appearances on C Span, where praise is lavished on Jordan's king Abdullah, it appears Jordan is still on board the aging ship Clean Break , tho Turkey is threatening mutiny.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?444201-5/washington-journal-representative-steve-russell-r-ok-discusses-congress-role-syria-conflict

    The same actors -- including the sociopathic Michael Ledeen-- of this neocon cabal have been reading the same script from the run-up to war with Iraq
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jilA-ZeBUI4&version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
    to the fulfillment of their obsession with attacking Iran:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=886&v=v9vXSvjiWaI

    Notice that fifteen years on, the neocon criminal gang has added new, younger members, i.e. Richard Goldberg and Michaela Dodge. Goldberg is fanatically pro-Israel from his Jewish day school primary school to his anti-BDS activities in Illinois government and anti-Iran achievements in US senate.

    One of the reasons Tom Friedman supplied for his support to Iraq war among many similar excuses, was the support Saddam offered to the suicide bombers.

    One of the reason the terrorist one day may think is the support given by the Zionists to the bombers attacker gentile politicians .

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  49. nsa says:
    @Mike Whitney
    I'm very glad to see Colonel Pat Lang writing for the Unz review.
    His own website--Sic Semper Tyrannis-- is one of the best, most informative sites on the internet.
    It is "must read" for anyone who wants to follow national security issues, Syria, Ukraine and beyond.

    Lang doesn't mince words or pull his punches. And his analysis is never short of brilliant.
    This is really a great addition for the Unz Review.

    Good work, Ron and a hearty "Welcome" to Colonel Lang!

    Lang and Whitney are Goy Boy Shills of the first order. Never once have they crossed the Kosher Line In The Sand and fingered the vile conniving jooies for the destruction of the ME. And for good reason….they want to see their stuff in print somewhere and fear a total ban for indulging in……gasp……hate speech. So they sensibly resort to euphemisms like “neocon” to describe the bloodthirsty jooies and their Goy Boy useful idiots. As the cliche goes…..discretion is the better part of valor.

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    I have pointed at Zionist interest many times as the root cause of destructive US policy in the ME Have you ever read anything by me? I think not. nevertheles it is not the case that Zionism and neoconism are the same thing. Neoconism has a broader agenda than mere Zionism
    , @annamaria
    Who are you, "nsa," to slander these two honorable men? They have dedicated their considerable talents -- their very lives -- to serve their country. Does the slandering make you feel important?
    And what is your courage? -- to spill the stupid and poorly written "opinion" on the UNZ Review, without divulging your name and without being of any significance for the task?
    You can compare your achievements (if any) with the achievements of Colonel Patrick Lang:
    "Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many years. He is a highly decorated veteran of several of America’s overseas conflicts including the war in Vietnam. He was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years. He was the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. In the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) he was the “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism,” and later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service.” For his service in DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.” This is the equivalent of a British knighthood." http://turcopolier.typepad.com/about.html
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  50. @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    Come to think of it, I mostly agree with this comment: Col. Lang conflated American operating principle of “Manifest Destiny” with the zionist / neoconservative ideology (psychopathology).

    imo the process is more subtle: Manifest Destiny/Anglos and zionist/neoconservatives share mythological roots in Abrahamism, which posits that the “chosen” have a lock on truth, morality and god, and that they have the right and obligation to destroy anyone who fails to subscribe to that truth and their overlordship of it — Evangelical Christians and Anglicans hold this concept fast.

    The zionist twist on this is twofold: First, Jews believe they are the ordained by god to be in charge; Jews have been chosen by god to “teach the world ethics, to drag the rest of the world kicking and screaming to behave morally.” http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/96037069.html Apparently, some Jews really believe this.

    Second, but the larger zionist agenda is to establish Jews as a hegemonic if not global imperial power from a base in Israel, and they are using USA treasure, political and military power as its tool to achieve what are, ultimately, Jewish goals.

    To be sure, US policymakers, elites, and tens of thousands of ordinary citizens willingly and/or unwittingly subscribe to a similar predatory and dominating agenda. But if (when?) Jewish zionists achieve their goals, US will be discarded like toilet paper.

    It’s useful to recognize that the early leaders of the zionist movement — Herzl, Nordau, Pinsker and others — recognized early on that Jews needed the support of a major power to achieve their goals, and solicited that support from the German kaiser, the Ottoman sultan, and the British.

    When Chaim Weizmann’s activities to gain British support were successful, the same zionist Jews who had earlier petitioned Germany and Ottoman turned violently against those same powers and brought about their destruction. Germany’s destruction was maneuvered in short order; the destruction of the Ottoman empire successor states has taken longer.

    Maybe those Arabs aren’t so dumb after all.

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    Arabs know Jews for what they are!
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  51. Sean says:

    Nothing much has happened or will happen in Syria at the behest of the US. Trump is keeping his powder dry for the big attack on Iran.

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  52. @nsa
    Lang and Whitney are Goy Boy Shills of the first order. Never once have they crossed the Kosher Line In The Sand and fingered the vile conniving jooies for the destruction of the ME. And for good reason....they want to see their stuff in print somewhere and fear a total ban for indulging in......gasp......hate speech. So they sensibly resort to euphemisms like "neocon" to describe the bloodthirsty jooies and their Goy Boy useful idiots. As the cliche goes.....discretion is the better part of valor.

    I have pointed at Zionist interest many times as the root cause of destructive US policy in the ME Have you ever read anything by me? I think not. nevertheles it is not the case that Zionism and neoconism are the same thing. Neoconism has a broader agenda than mere Zionism

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    Yeah like hijacking non-Zionist interests to further Zionist interests.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    hmmm.

    Glad you made that distinction, between zionists and neocons.

    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Neocons are just what they say they are: Trotskyites in Beltway drag. Trotskyites dominated the Jerusalem Conference in 1979 when GWOT was birthed; G H W Bush did doula duty.

    I wonder what the linkage is between Jabotinsky and Trotsky? Both are revolutionaries, both advocate violence. Jabotinsky picked up on that change in Jewish behavior from petitioning from a posture of subservience-- shtadlones-- to demanding, with arrogance; Netanyahu is his worthy acolyte.

    Neocons have some genuine psychopaths among them -- the world would be a better place if an ice axe were wielded in Ledeen's vicinity.
    It's consistent with what Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982#46318982
    "Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history,”
    , @bjondo
    As I see 'em:

    Zionism is the ME taking, beginning with Palestine, wing of Judaism.

    Neocons/Jewcons are Western, mostly American, Jew plotting, conniving for Greater Israel. Neopets/Jewpets help from positions of power not achievable by Jew and to be face to take blame.

    Neoconism's broader agenda is to use America, the West in service to the Greater Israel fantasy and the fantasy of Jew control of world. Jerusalem as capital. Not my idea. Theirs.
    , @Vojkan
    What we know as neoconism today has existed before Israel came into existence. I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
    Neocons have more to do with Trotsky than with Zionism, there are overlapping interests but I think Israel just happens to be a convenient anchor point and a way to enlist wealthy Zionist Jews rather than an end in itself. Leading neocons are Jews indeed but Trotsky too was a Jew and he was no Zionist. If neocons judge that Israel has become an impediment to the fulfilment of their ambitions, it is not implausible that they become much less supportive of Israeli policies.
    I'd say that neocons are simply the latest instance of men suffering from a God complex while Zionism is somewhat less ambitious. Neocons are the real threat to the world, Israel is merely an annoyance. It is far more important to stop the neocons than to stop Israel.
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  53. @Svigor

    Our southern neighbors are the largest threat to the US than any Middle Eastern State.

    I will continue to contend to drop the label “neoconservative” because it is inaccurate. What we have are those who desire intervention for political and mercantilism *economic” ambitions — interventionists.
     
    "Zionist" is more accurate than either.

    there are plenty of interventionists on the press for democracy and “capitalism” as cause for stabilizing regions that are not Jews or all that active in Zionists policies.

    The desire to regime change in North Korea and parts of Africa are not all that beneficial to Zionist ambitions. I am not all convinced that Israel is a democracy. But it’s clear that neither Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan are going to raving democratic capitalist states – every. Muslim faith precludes such a system. even if said states did embrace democracy — there is no evidence and would in all likelihood not reflect what exists in the US. Because what exists in the US is founded on a particular history and environment and inter-relational dynamics.

    The grand narrative they advance would be attractive as policy even minus the existence of Israel.

    — Cutting off nonsense at the pass: I do think Israel has a right to exist. –

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    First clean up your English. I'm sure they teach it at your troll farm south of Dimona in the Negev where the air conditioning in the summer is bought and paid for by the American taxpayers!
    All foreign policy is for the benefit of the money lenders and the illegitimate state of Israhell. All conflict, 'crisis', wars deflect from the ultimate goal of Zion which is complete world control and hegemony for the Zionist Entity (same thing).
    , @Svigor
    Bla bla bla all of our "interventions" are in places of interest to Zionists, because they're one half of the Match Made in Hell between Zionists and the Military-Industrial Complex, and the MIC doesn't care where their inventory is expended.
    , @Wally
    Spare us your shallow attempts to destract from your Jews First nonsense.
    Israel wouldn't last a week without skimming US taxpayers cash.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    Israel's Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    www.codoh.com
    , @anonymous

    Muslim faith precludes such a system
     
    The "greatest" democracy in the world elected a pathetic loser degenerate called Trump... who is not really in charge, anyway.

    The biggest democracy in the world gave power to an evil hindu-nationalist mass murdering degenerate, who couldn't even bring himself to condemn the rape\torture\murder of an 8yr old... simply because she was from a minority community, and the rapists where of his ilk.

    Democracy is too highly overrated.

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  54. @Seamus Padraig
    True. I love Col. Lang's blog and have followed it for years now. He's really good at military strategy, and--as a ME specialist--is very helpful in analyzing and predicting events in Syria, Iraq, etc. But the main thing that's missing at his blog ('Sic Semper Tyrannis') is any analysis of Israel's role in this. There's no mention of the Oded Yinon plan, or the Clean Break memo, or the 'Pearl Harbor-type event' paper. And while Lang is very good at pointing out the absurdity of Washington's statements relative to reality, he's not so good at untangling propaganda from what really motivates the highest-level people who are behind all of this. Hint: it's not 'democracy promotion'.

    Ah, you want me to propagandize for your preferred positions. You want me to scream every day that the JEWS did it. You are supposed to be able to read between the lines and understan the truth of things. You are more of sa simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog.

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    "You are more of a simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog."

    Typical Pat Lang, not satisfied with his wishy washy bulling and banning behavior on his own blog, he carries it over to Unz.

    The real reason Lang cannot seem to be able to connect the dots and acknowledge the corrosive and even genocidal effects of this racial supremacist religion cum race is the same reason none of his ilk will even bother to take a deep look at 9/11. It is called culpability.

    For if the Neocons or Zionists, most of us don't care to make a distinction because they are serving the same masters, are guilty of half of the crimes that Lang openly admits, then Lang is as guilty as any "Nazi" hung after Nuremburg.

    So like the vast majority of Americans, his logic and thinking are befuddled with cognitive dissonance. He can accept contradictions like Good War and Hiroshima. Or ignore and cover up US actions in Vietnam because it was the most important event in his and his war-buddies lifes.

    The important question, is why is he allowed by ZOG to make the truth about Israel posts that he does. The answer is that he always toes their red line. He calls our owners the "BORG" instead of calling them "ZOG". He always stays away from evidence about how Zionists planned WWII through things like embargo's, ethnic cleansing of Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia, or that the Zionists had been preparing the "Holocaust" for decades.

    In short, his blog, and this post, are limited hangouts. Sure, he has some interesting insights and inside information. So does Ben Shapiro or Jason Goodman, but you will never find a path to the truth by reading their drivel.
    , @Anonymous
    Wow! Quite an overreaction to what can be only described as mild, respectful criticism. Maybe you should stay in your own safe-space where no one can russtle your jimmies twice, Patrick. The Net is already full of cowards like you who can't face their own shortcomings without lashing out with displaced anger.

    May I suggest a Zuckenberg page? No "dislike" button available by design.
    , @Ace
    That does raise the question, When will it be possible to state outright the facts of what policies Jews have pursued rather than to write in ways that only suggest those policies?

    This is not a criticism of you in any way and, clearly, only a fool kicks every barking dog rather than picking his fights carefully.

    It's interesting in this regard that Charles Bausman at Russian Insider personally thinks it's time to drop the "Jew taboo." To say that Brother Nathaniel agrees with that is the understatement of the decade. It seems to me that the debate is long overdue on, inter alia, the questions of whose interests our aggressive, unconstitutional war on Syria serves and why is it institutional Jewry fanatically promotes mass immigration to the U.S. and multiculturalism/diversity when these are anathema to Israel.

    I think the patina of Israel's wonderfulness and its being our bestest friend EV-er in the whole wide world is tarnished more and more. The attack on the Liberty and Jonathan Pollard are evidence of a distinctly unfriendly attitude, and the disgraceful executions of demonstrators in Gaza can't be explained away, period. Much time has passed since movies with Kirk Douglas were possible. And, yes, the U.S. has done significantly more to squander its moral capital and good will. Immensely more.

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  55. Randal says:
    @for-the-record
    Regarding Barzah/Barzeh, here is the actual OPCW document dated 23 March 2018 referring to the November 2017 inspection:

    In accordance with paragraph 11 of Council decision EC-83/DEC.5, the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities of the SSRC was concluded on 22 November 2017. The results of the inspections were reported as an addendum (EC-87/DG.15/Add.1, dated 28 February 2018) to the report entitled “Status of Implementation of Executive Council Decision EC-83/DEC.5 (dated 11 November 2016)” (EC-87/DG.15, dated 23 February 2018). The analysis of samples taken during the inspections did not indicate the presence of scheduled chemicals in the samples, and the inspection team did not observe any activities inconsistent with obligations under the Convention during the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities

    https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
     
    Interestingly, this document is not particularly easy to find, for some (no doubt innocent) reason it has not (yet?) been included among the list of "Progress Reports" on the OPCW site:

    https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/related-official-documents/

    Thanks f-t-r that’s useful stuff as always.

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  56. @SolontoCroesus
    re:

    "This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander says “regime change never works,” but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and Germany after WWII. "
     
    WWII actions against Japan and Germany were not "regime changes" that "worked," they were total wars of destruction, conquest and genocide of the German people, in the case of Germany, which lost ~10 of its pop. while Japan lost ~5%.
    Japan has recovered, to a certain extent, probably because Japan's adversary was not Jews. Germany is still a fully occupied and de-culturalized state. Witness, for example, the Thompson article where Hindemann is compelled to discuss "Nazis" totally out of context.

    There was neither regime change nor unconditional surrender in Japan.
    Germany was destroyed, physically and politically.
    Indoctrination of the Germans with their guilt for two world wars, and the murder of six million jews, goes on to this day.
    But even this indoctrination is crumbling.
    Many Germans do not see how the country they live in, that should just have a defensive army, cooperates in wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.
    Many Germans see how the poor jews who survived the holocaust treat the Palestinians.
    Germany now is going to buy Predators:

    https://kenfm.de/keine-kampfdrohnen/

    Trans ‘No drones for battle’.

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  57. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Disagree because Jimmy Dore made a mistake in heaping so much praise on Sache without knowing who he was.

    In my opinion, Jeffrey Sachs's appearance on MSNBC is a smokescreen, political cover to exonerate the Deep State, banister predators and Israel firsters from complicity in the destruction of Syria.

    Sachs was a leading actor, together with George Soros, Paul Wolfowitz and Jonathan Bush, brother-in-law of the late, sainted Barbara Bush, in the Rape of Russia in the Yeltsin years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1343&v=ZLVypNN4fHU

    h/t The Saker, complete w/ transcript: https://thesaker.is/the-rape-of-russia-saker-blog-exclusive-interview/

    Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. And yes, Dore is dopey. (Sachs has been on MSNBC many times. It was no mistake.) But, IMO, take gold where you find it…. limited hangout or not.
    If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn’t make it a lie. Plus, you’re not going to get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert fomentation of regime-change in Syria makes this golden.

    Here’s the clip without Jimmy Dore’s interruptions, only 5 min.

    Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria

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    Reading the Wikipedia article on Timber Sycamore, I'm struck by the significance of Sachs' omission; TS is a US program, but the overall effort it's a part of is more of a Sunni Arab project than an American one. Saudi Arabia is providing more money and weapons, Jordan is hosting the effort, Qatar gives money, etc; it's a US-backed Sunni program.

    I'm talking about the moral component; I think our Zionist interventionist policies are stupid, not in American interests, and really only serve Zionist interests. but it's not really "our" mess, as Sachs states, so much as a Sunni/Zionist mess.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I do agree with Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs
    , @bjondo
    In addition to corpses in his closet, wonder how much looted Russian loot in his off-shore account(s)?
    , @Miro23
    Thanks for the video. This is an extraordinarily important clip that lays it all bare.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw

    The CIA /US Zionists are an undercover state within a state using False Flags, war and murder to further their aims which are the destruction of 7 countries in 5 years (first hand evidence from General Wesley Clark).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

    1) Iraq 2) Syria 3) Lebanon 4) Libya 5)Somalia 6)Sudan 7) Iran

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  58. Anon[673] • Disclaimer says:

    If you split the difference between two extremes, you end up pleasing no one and being attacked by both sides. Democracy is a flower that smells sweet and ends up in the pipe of every crackpot loon in history. In this world, facts and reality matter. Ideology is the shortcut that retards use to move the masses towards easy solutions that make life hard.
    Blood and religion form bonds. Ideas just make the stupid angry and the smart embrace theories and abandon reliable methods. New ideas can be beneficial or they can be fair, they rarely can be both. Without winners there are no losers. Unless you benefit from work, there is no incentive to do it.
    There are no simple solutions. There are no complex problems. Problems can always be simplified by division and parsing. Solutions can only be simplified to avoid the hard facts and avoid actually solving them.
    What has any of this have to do with the subject? These are the things you need to bring to the table.
    Discussing this issue will lead to nothing but overly emotional hype and obfuscation. Using the above can stop the endless appeals to emotionalism that carries the masses away from facts.

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  59. @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    I’ll say to you what I say to others. I beat up the Zionists both here and in Israel all the time but I am not going to say that all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world. As for the neocons their agenda is much larger than just Zionism.

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    Who the fuck does say "all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world"? Can we put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed, please?
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  60. Z-man says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    there are plenty of interventionists on the press for democracy and "capitalism" as cause for stabilizing regions that are not Jews or all that active in Zionists policies.

    The desire to regime change in North Korea and parts of Africa are not all that beneficial to Zionist ambitions. I am not all convinced that Israel is a democracy. But it's clear that neither Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan are going to raving democratic capitalist states - every. Muslim faith precludes such a system. even if said states did embrace democracy -- there is no evidence and would in all likelihood not reflect what exists in the US. Because what exists in the US is founded on a particular history and environment and inter-relational dynamics.

    The grand narrative they advance would be attractive as policy even minus the existence of Israel.


    --- Cutting off nonsense at the pass: I do think Israel has a right to exist. --

    First clean up your English. I’m sure they teach it at your troll farm south of Dimona in the Negev where the air conditioning in the summer is bought and paid for by the American taxpayers!
    All foreign policy is for the benefit of the money lenders and the illegitimate state of Israhell. All conflict, ‘crisis’, wars deflect from the ultimate goal of Zion which is complete world control and hegemony for the Zionist Entity (same thing).

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    I certainly could pay more attention to my writing and proof reading



    This comment espouses an intriguing scenario that is best saved for another time. it's the suggestion of global dominance and one world government. It invites a lot of issues for christians about who and where the anti-christ will come from and reside.

    But that for another discussion. But don't get pushback from me that Israel has too much influence, attention and support.

    All of that is quite another matter than whether they have a right to exist.
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  61. Mishra says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Lang may have been loosely paraphrasing here. The version I'm familiar with is:

    "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair.
     
    Inter alia: https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-05-30-wolfowitz-iraq_x.htm

    Thanks, that was about the best I could find too. Have to agree with the other comments that the use of quotation marks was inappropriate at best.

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  62. Randal says:
    @English Outsider
    I have long been a fan of Colonel Lang's stand against the current neocon policy in the Middle East. Here I find the most authoritative account of the thinking behind the Syrian disaster I have seen.

    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon's table? Our politicians surely can't think they're exceptional too. Though in a way one hopes they might be - I no longer believe that those politicians represent the thinking of the great mass of people in Europe and the UK.

    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon’s table? Our politicians surely can’t think they’re exceptional too.

    Well clearly the US’s European satrapies don’t share directly in the US updated Manifest Destiny idea, but the US sphere elites in general are fully indoctrinated in the universalist ideology of internationalist social-liberalism and “democracy”-uber-alles (where “democracy” – whether in Republican, constitutional monarchic or other form – is in reality a kind of managed gerrymander to keep the established and US-favoured elites safely in control and ensure “populists” are excluded by any means necessary), and sees itself as on a mission to promote the spread of US style liberal (managed) “democracy” throughout the world (except where it’s currently inconvenient to push it too hard for reasons of temporary expedience, such as in places like Saudi Arabia). There might well be a psychological component akin to Stockholm Syndrome, whereby people like Blair, Macron etc see the power of the US and the US exceptionalist ideology over their countries, know they are subordinate to it, and seek to internalise a wider version of it for themselves so that they can tell themselves that when they are serving Washington’s objectives and profiting handsomely thereby, they are actually doing it for their own noble ideals.

    Then of course, human beings being human, there are also other self-serving motivations underlying the idealist pretext – collaboration for personal gain with the jewish/Israeli lobby that is hugely powerful in the UK and Europe as well as in the US, military-industrial types wanting to boost the status and budgets of the military, etc. These are the real motivations, as opposed to the legitimising pretext that is the supposedly noble ideal of American exceptionalism or internationalist social liberalism.

    Lately the British regime’s enthusiasm for the interventionist project seems to be greater even than that of the US regime, for instance.

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    Maybe this helps to solve the puzzle
    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/04/19/onze-reporter-neemt-een-kijkje-in-het-nieuwe-navo-gebouw/
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  63. Titus I says: • Website
    @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    The American Empire is facing a historical junction : does become a mercenary putative force for Zionist Israel or Will the USA priorize its own NATIONAL interests over Israeli. The prize of becoming a Zionist surrogate will mean the progressive deterioration of the American empeirein the Middle East, and the world. America faces severe national debt, decaying infrastructure, and internal social fragmentation. On the other hand Israel is poised to become the ENERGY hub for the European, African, Asian economies,without Israeli OIL supply lines all those economies will be paralyzed. Furthermore American blind,almost irrational support for Israel will mean more dangerous terrorists attacks and more frequent..The Trump presidency is in fact a Neocon presidency, the democratic decision making (war) process is dead, and this Syrian war means that it doesn’t matter whom iselected president ultimately AIPAC, Israel, make the final decisions.

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  64. annamaria says:
    @RobinG
    More from Douma, with Pearson Sharp -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9C9koRmro
    OAN'S PEARSON SHARP REFUTES MSM REPORTS OF ALLEGED SYRIAN CHEMICAL ATTACK
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  65. kemerd says:

    I don’t know if anyone outside US believes so called “theoretical background”of the neocons that they think US is the pinnacle of the human civilization that they want to export their model to the other places in the world, etc. This is so absurdly stupid is that it is hard to believe anyone would buy it. All of what they do just talks volumes about what they care for: money and power; the rest, as can be understood from their lousy “philosophy”, are just details.

    I also think that their affection to Israel is fake. People in the power positions do not have such dispositions. I am sure there is some genuine idiots among US political class who buys what they actually say but most of them just ride the tide while it is useful for them. I am sure that once Israel loses its usefulness for the ones who actually wield power inside US political class, Israel would also be trashed just like Arab countries they destroyed.

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    says:
    "I am sure that once Israel loses its usefulness for the ones who actually wield power inside US political class, Israel would also be trashed just like Arab countries they destroyed."

    Except that those who wield power are Jews and those that shill for them.
    And if anyone doesn't shill for Jew interests they are screwed because of it.

    www.codoh.com
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  66. @Seamus Padraig

    On his website, Mr. Patrick Lang speaks about Mr. Trump, his president, in the most pejorative terms, while he has the highest praises for Collin Powell, who steadily and with a pronounced servility served the neocons.
     
    Powell? Really? Do you actually have some citations to back that up? I've followed Lang for several years now, and I have yet to see him praise Powell--at least not in his role as Sec'y of State. To be sure, Powell was a competent general, but way too much of a yes-man to stand up to the neocons (even though there's ample evidence he knew better from the start).

    ” Competent general”

    Yeah sure, fact is he acted as a “republican” during his military career, which enabled him to fit in with the other big wheels, seeing as most military folks are in fact republicans, and then he changed sides and supported BO. Competent no , opportunistic yeah.

    Authenticjazzman “mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz artisit.

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  67. RobinG says:
    @English Outsider
    I have long been a fan of Colonel Lang's stand against the current neocon policy in the Middle East. Here I find the most authoritative account of the thinking behind the Syrian disaster I have seen.

    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon's table? Our politicians surely can't think they're exceptional too. Though in a way one hopes they might be - I no longer believe that those politicians represent the thinking of the great mass of people in Europe and the UK.

    Don’t assume US neocons are calling all the shots. It was Sarkozy (goaded by Zionist Bernard Henri Levy) took the lead to attack Libya. And at least some believe London is still the core of Imperialist aggression.

    Yesterday, for the first time, a Russian general pierced this lie on RT when he stated that there was proof that the UK was behind the well-orchestrated and completely staged “gas attacks” in Douma.

    Yes, you read that right, he said the UK. Not the US, not Israel, not Saudi Arabia, but the UK. Those of you familiar with my writing know that I am constantly pointing my finger at the City of London for the lies, deception, and wars which dominate the headlines of their propaganda rags.”

    Crown Bulldog Attacks Syria

    https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/crown-bulldog-attacks-syria/

    As fort the “[non] thinking of the great mass of people,” since when does that matter?

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    As if 'French' Jews are different from US Jews / neo-cons.

    You're a funny guy.
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  68. annamaria says:
    @English Outsider
    I have long been a fan of Colonel Lang's stand against the current neocon policy in the Middle East. Here I find the most authoritative account of the thinking behind the Syrian disaster I have seen.

    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon's table? Our politicians surely can't think they're exceptional too. Though in a way one hopes they might be - I no longer believe that those politicians represent the thinking of the great mass of people in Europe and the UK.

    “Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon’s table? ”
    — Correct. The current breed of opportunists operating without any kind of responsibility makes the international corps of political whores-in-charge. These politicians look at the Blairs (a $100 million fortune) and Cheney & Bush (both getting richer with every day) and they know that the opportunisms, however criminal, will be rewarded by the “deciders.” The incompetent and sycophantic politicians in the EU/UK governments have zero regards for their citizenry. We can be absolutely sure that there are no idealists among the leading UK politicians in power.
    To believe that American ruling class (which is heavily zionized) has any idealistic motivations instead of a rabid drive for money and power is an illusion. The majority of the US politicians are committed to the criminal enterprises, whether local or global, when the enterprises promise a gesheft, which is the only criterion.

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  69. Svigor says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    That argument rests on assumptions that I consider ugly, a-historical, and counterproductive.

    What was done to Germany and Japan -- and to the former Ottoman empire as well as Iran -- from ~1907 'til today, was precipitated by some of the world's greatest psychopaths. They are still at large. THAT is the problem, not "HBD."

    You’re missing the point, which is that the regime is trying to do to Arabs what they did to Japanese and Germans, and it won’t work.

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    OK.
    I understand the basic thing you are saying in #69.

    I don't get your bit about HBD being the reason regime change won't work wrt Arabs.

    WHY will regime change "not work w/ Arabs" ? Is it because Arab states have fewer and less complex political structures and institutions? That surely does not apply to Iran, but then Iran is not Arab (tho many Arabs are in the Iranian population. Thus, Iran is already a more complex culture than USA/Europe is willing to be).

    I cannot buy the notion that Arabs as Arabs are biologically capable of lesser civilizational attainment -- different, maybe, but it takes an exceptionalist to claim that civilization A is superior to civilization B, for solely biological reasons.
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  70. Svigor says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    there are plenty of interventionists on the press for democracy and "capitalism" as cause for stabilizing regions that are not Jews or all that active in Zionists policies.

    The desire to regime change in North Korea and parts of Africa are not all that beneficial to Zionist ambitions. I am not all convinced that Israel is a democracy. But it's clear that neither Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan are going to raving democratic capitalist states - every. Muslim faith precludes such a system. even if said states did embrace democracy -- there is no evidence and would in all likelihood not reflect what exists in the US. Because what exists in the US is founded on a particular history and environment and inter-relational dynamics.

    The grand narrative they advance would be attractive as policy even minus the existence of Israel.


    --- Cutting off nonsense at the pass: I do think Israel has a right to exist. --

    Bla bla bla all of our “interventions” are in places of interest to Zionists, because they’re one half of the Match Made in Hell between Zionists and the Military-Industrial Complex, and the MIC doesn’t care where their inventory is expended.

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    Well,


    suppose your last sentence is correct, then my comments are quite in line. Because that sentence grants that even minus Israel -- we would be so engaged. I won't sign on to the suggestion about whether they care or not -- but I agree, we would be expending said resources elsewhere for similar purposes.
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  71. Svigor says:
    @Patrick Lang
    I'll say to you what I say to others. I beat up the Zionists both here and in Israel all the time but I am not going to say that all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world. As for the neocons their agenda is much larger than just Zionism.

    Who the fuck does say “all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world”? Can we put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed, please?

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    Svigor,

    It would be really nice if it were possible to "put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed", but it is not likely to happen. The radical Zionists immediately use criticism of Israel to conflate criticism of Zionism with anti-Semitism. This is made far easier for them by the confusion around "Jewishness" that is deliberately (and conveniently, for their purposes) cultivated; is being a Jew a racial thing, a religious thing, a cultural thing regardless of the individual Jew's adherence to and practice of the tenets of Judaism? This ambiguity opens the door for claims that criticisms of the excesses of radical Zionism are at root leveled against all Jews regardless of their actual beliefs, political behaviors, and their self-perception regarding their roles in the life of the nation. Of course, true anti-Semites do in fact hold all Jews responsible for the actions of rabid Zionists, so everybody "wins".

    Except for real flesh and blood Jews, who are individuals with their own agency. My oldest friend is a Jew, I work with Jews, I make classical music with Jews. So I will never buy the blanket condemnation of Jews qua Jews. Do I wish that more American Jews would distance themselves from and be more critical of the "professional Jews" who are in leadership roles at radical Zionist organizations? Yes, but I have some sympathy for why this does not happen. As a historically disparaged minority, albeit with some reasons for that status, the reluctance is self-enforcing; there is a disincentive to talk smack on your "community" for fear of the ostracism, and reputational and career damage that might follow (there is no reasoning with one-issue fanatics, after all).

    Look at how blacks who lodge criticism of the behaviors of some in their community make out. Not too well, even when the criticisms are justified, and the ills perpetuated by these criticized behaviors work to the detriment not only of individual blacks, but also to the perception of blacks in general in the wider society.

    So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and excesses of some portion of that community. This seems to me to be intellectually and morally correct. Certainly it serves to help put the criticisms of NeoConservatism out there while yet insulating him to a degree from the blanket charges of anti-Semitism. And indeed, the NeoCons are not strictly radical Zionists, and some among them have other motivations behind their actions.
    , @Thirdeye
    Aww, come on! There are all sorts of one trick ponies hawking that stuff on this site.
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  72. Svigor says:
    @Patrick Lang
    I have pointed at Zionist interest many times as the root cause of destructive US policy in the ME Have you ever read anything by me? I think not. nevertheles it is not the case that Zionism and neoconism are the same thing. Neoconism has a broader agenda than mere Zionism

    Yeah like hijacking non-Zionist interests to further Zionist interests.

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  73. Svigor says:

    The whole “not all Jews are Zionists” thing is kinda boring by now. The vast majority of diaspora Jewry is Zionist. Non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews are the Jewish fringe, barely worth talking about.

    Organized Jewry is totally Zionist.

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  74. Svigor says:

    It’s just so tired. OMG IKAGO! NAJALT! Gee, thanks so much, I never thought of that before you came along and told me…

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    Holy shit Svigor, you're not arguing against Lot here. Put your monomania to rest. Jews under the bed is just as annoying as Nazis under the bed.
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  75. annamaria says:
    @nsa
    Lang and Whitney are Goy Boy Shills of the first order. Never once have they crossed the Kosher Line In The Sand and fingered the vile conniving jooies for the destruction of the ME. And for good reason....they want to see their stuff in print somewhere and fear a total ban for indulging in......gasp......hate speech. So they sensibly resort to euphemisms like "neocon" to describe the bloodthirsty jooies and their Goy Boy useful idiots. As the cliche goes.....discretion is the better part of valor.

    Who are you, “nsa,” to slander these two honorable men? They have dedicated their considerable talents — their very lives — to serve their country. Does the slandering make you feel important?
    And what is your courage? — to spill the stupid and poorly written “opinion” on the UNZ Review, without divulging your name and without being of any significance for the task?
    You can compare your achievements (if any) with the achievements of Colonel Patrick Lang:
    “Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many years. He is a highly decorated veteran of several of America’s overseas conflicts including the war in Vietnam. He was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years. He was the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. In the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) he was the “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism,” and later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service.” For his service in DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.” This is the equivalent of a British knighthood.” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/about.html

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  76. RobinG says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    On his website, Mr. Patrick Lang speaks about Mr. Trump, his president, in the most pejorative terms, while he has the highest praises for Collin Powell, who steadily and with a pronounced servility served the neocons.
     
    Powell? Really? Do you actually have some citations to back that up? I've followed Lang for several years now, and I have yet to see him praise Powell--at least not in his role as Sec'y of State. To be sure, Powell was a competent general, but way too much of a yes-man to stand up to the neocons (even though there's ample evidence he knew better from the start).

    Isn’t Ivan talking about back when Powell was SOS. Have you followed Lang that long? Did he even have a blog back then?

    It would be nice if Ivan shows evidence, but if it’s true (as someone alleged here) that Lang disparages Larry Wilkerson, I find that very small minded. Larry has confessed his remorse and is trying hard to make amends. Surely that’s better than not.

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  77. @Patrick Lang
    Spain ceded the Philippine Islands to the US at the end of the Spanish American War.

    Spain didn’t own the Philippine Islands and were in the process of being pushed out by filipino people when the war between Spain and the US started. It took a war of invasion to make the PI into US territory.

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    Spain created the Philippines as a political entity as Britain created India. Spain ruled the islands for three hundred odd years. I understand that you are expressing your political beliefs but I am unimpressed by them.
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  78. @Svigor
    You're missing the point, which is that the regime is trying to do to Arabs what they did to Japanese and Germans, and it won't work.

    OK.
    I understand the basic thing you are saying in #69.

    I don’t get your bit about HBD being the reason regime change won’t work wrt Arabs.

    WHY will regime change “not work w/ Arabs” ? Is it because Arab states have fewer and less complex political structures and institutions? That surely does not apply to Iran, but then Iran is not Arab (tho many Arabs are in the Iranian population. Thus, Iran is already a more complex culture than USA/Europe is willing to be).

    I cannot buy the notion that Arabs as Arabs are biologically capable of lesser civilizational attainment — different, maybe, but it takes an exceptionalist to claim that civilization A is superior to civilization B, for solely biological reasons.

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  79. Svigor says:
    @RobinG
    Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. And yes, Dore is dopey. (Sachs has been on MSNBC many times. It was no mistake.) But, IMO, take gold where you find it.... limited hangout or not.
    If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn't make it a lie. Plus, you're not going to get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert fomentation of regime-change in Syria makes this golden.

    Here's the clip without Jimmy Dore's interruptions, only 5 min.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw
    Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria

    Reading the Wikipedia article on Timber Sycamore, I’m struck by the significance of Sachs’ omission; TS is a US program, but the overall effort it’s a part of is more of a Sunni Arab project than an American one. Saudi Arabia is providing more money and weapons, Jordan is hosting the effort, Qatar gives money, etc; it’s a US-backed Sunni program.

    I’m talking about the moral component; I think our Zionist interventionist policies are stupid, not in American interests, and really only serve Zionist interests. but it’s not really “our” mess, as Sachs states, so much as a Sunni/Zionist mess.

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  80. @Patrick Lang
    I have pointed at Zionist interest many times as the root cause of destructive US policy in the ME Have you ever read anything by me? I think not. nevertheles it is not the case that Zionism and neoconism are the same thing. Neoconism has a broader agenda than mere Zionism

    hmmm.

    Glad you made that distinction, between zionists and neocons.

    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Neocons are just what they say they are: Trotskyites in Beltway drag. Trotskyites dominated the Jerusalem Conference in 1979 when GWOT was birthed; G H W Bush did doula duty.

    I wonder what the linkage is between Jabotinsky and Trotsky? Both are revolutionaries, both advocate violence. Jabotinsky picked up on that change in Jewish behavior from petitioning from a posture of subservience– shtadlones– to demanding, with arrogance; Netanyahu is his worthy acolyte.

    Neocons have some genuine psychopaths among them — the world would be a better place if an ice axe were wielded in Ledeen’s vicinity.
    It’s consistent with what Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982#46318982
    “Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history,”

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    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.
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  81. Wally says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    there are plenty of interventionists on the press for democracy and "capitalism" as cause for stabilizing regions that are not Jews or all that active in Zionists policies.

    The desire to regime change in North Korea and parts of Africa are not all that beneficial to Zionist ambitions. I am not all convinced that Israel is a democracy. But it's clear that neither Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan are going to raving democratic capitalist states - every. Muslim faith precludes such a system. even if said states did embrace democracy -- there is no evidence and would in all likelihood not reflect what exists in the US. Because what exists in the US is founded on a particular history and environment and inter-relational dynamics.

    The grand narrative they advance would be attractive as policy even minus the existence of Israel.


    --- Cutting off nonsense at the pass: I do think Israel has a right to exist. --

    Spare us your shallow attempts to destract from your Jews First nonsense.
    Israel wouldn’t last a week without skimming US taxpayers cash.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel’s Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    Israel’s Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Ok , so I thought I could have cut the nonsense off at the pass -- Though I thought it would come from those who thought Israel has more than a right to exist.


    Fortunately, I have been reading Dr, Giraldi's articles for years when they routinely appeared on the American Conservative. He and agree that Israel has far too much influence and direct power in US foreign policy. I agree that is bizarre and disturbing. I am absolutely in sync with US policy foes not mean Israeli policy. I think a lot of christians are playing fast and loose with scripture -- and anyone who contends that Christ has called them to advance a war in the name of Christ and that war is descriptive of a dozens of behaviors and principles that Christ rejects is flat out abusing Christ -- no doubt and no question. Israel should not be granted a carte blanche' pass -- it is unsupportable ---


    My point is simple enough. And it's an old point. We would still be having this discussion even there was no Israel. We would be questioning the policy of regime change. it's an observation designed to focus on the issues here in the states as opposed to bashing Zionists. because frankly, Zionists are doing what all foreign lobbies do. Posture US might in their favor. Saudi Arabia, the Iraqi Congress, Japan, the Philippines, France, Germany, Great Britain . . .

    Your orientation is correct we need to give our leadership a backbone not jump on every Israeli inkling because we are afraid to lose favor with God. It's an ethos that is over the top.

    And I understand the extreme position as one needed to crack the hold. It's not a route I choose to follow. I certainly like to think my voice has impact in Israel. But it's more likely to have more impact here among my fellows.


    I have been awake to Israeli influence since mt sophomore year in college. Buy I appreciate your efforts to "wake me up."
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  82. Wally says:
    @kemerd
    I don't know if anyone outside US believes so called "theoretical background"of the neocons that they think US is the pinnacle of the human civilization that they want to export their model to the other places in the world, etc. This is so absurdly stupid is that it is hard to believe anyone would buy it. All of what they do just talks volumes about what they care for: money and power; the rest, as can be understood from their lousy "philosophy", are just details.

    I also think that their affection to Israel is fake. People in the power positions do not have such dispositions. I am sure there is some genuine idiots among US political class who buys what they actually say but most of them just ride the tide while it is useful for them. I am sure that once Israel loses its usefulness for the ones who actually wield power inside US political class, Israel would also be trashed just like Arab countries they destroyed.

    says:
    “I am sure that once Israel loses its usefulness for the ones who actually wield power inside US political class, Israel would also be trashed just like Arab countries they destroyed.”

    Except that those who wield power are Jews and those that shill for them.
    And if anyone doesn’t shill for Jew interests they are screwed because of it.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  83. Wally says:
    @RobinG
    Don't assume US neocons are calling all the shots. It was Sarkozy (goaded by Zionist Bernard Henri Levy) took the lead to attack Libya. And at least some believe London is still the core of Imperialist aggression.

    Yesterday, for the first time, a Russian general pierced this lie on RT when he stated that there was proof that the UK was behind the well-orchestrated and completely staged “gas attacks” in Douma.

    Yes, you read that right, he said the UK. Not the US, not Israel, not Saudi Arabia, but the UK. Those of you familiar with my writing know that I am constantly pointing my finger at the City of London for the lies, deception, and wars which dominate the headlines of their propaganda rags."
     
    Crown Bulldog Attacks Syria
    https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/crown-bulldog-attacks-syria/

    As fort the "[non] thinking of the great mass of people," since when does that matter?

    As if ‘French’ Jews are different from US Jews / neo-cons.

    You’re a funny guy.

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  84. @Svigor
    Who the fuck does say "all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world"? Can we put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed, please?

    Svigor,

    It would be really nice if it were possible to “put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed”, but it is not likely to happen. The radical Zionists immediately use criticism of Israel to conflate criticism of Zionism with anti-Semitism. This is made far easier for them by the confusion around “Jewishness” that is deliberately (and conveniently, for their purposes) cultivated; is being a Jew a racial thing, a religious thing, a cultural thing regardless of the individual Jew’s adherence to and practice of the tenets of Judaism? This ambiguity opens the door for claims that criticisms of the excesses of radical Zionism are at root leveled against all Jews regardless of their actual beliefs, political behaviors, and their self-perception regarding their roles in the life of the nation. Of course, true anti-Semites do in fact hold all Jews responsible for the actions of rabid Zionists, so everybody “wins”.

    Except for real flesh and blood Jews, who are individuals with their own agency. My oldest friend is a Jew, I work with Jews, I make classical music with Jews. So I will never buy the blanket condemnation of Jews qua Jews. Do I wish that more American Jews would distance themselves from and be more critical of the “professional Jews” who are in leadership roles at radical Zionist organizations? Yes, but I have some sympathy for why this does not happen. As a historically disparaged minority, albeit with some reasons for that status, the reluctance is self-enforcing; there is a disincentive to talk smack on your “community” for fear of the ostracism, and reputational and career damage that might follow (there is no reasoning with one-issue fanatics, after all).

    Look at how blacks who lodge criticism of the behaviors of some in their community make out. Not too well, even when the criticisms are justified, and the ills perpetuated by these criticized behaviors work to the detriment not only of individual blacks, but also to the perception of blacks in general in the wider society.

    So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and excesses of some portion of that community. This seems to me to be intellectually and morally correct. Certainly it serves to help put the criticisms of NeoConservatism out there while yet insulating him to a degree from the blanket charges of anti-Semitism. And indeed, the NeoCons are not strictly radical Zionists, and some among them have other motivations behind their actions.

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    So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and excesses of some portion of that community.
     
    This is immaterial; I refuse to tar them all, too. The issue is Lang's need to imply someone doesn't.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " There is a disincentive to talk "smack" on your own community"

    Well Jackie Mason doesnt't worry too much about ostracism or career damage, being the staunch DT fan he is.
    This is a tremendously complex issue with push and pull in every direction.

    I can't imagine America without George Gershwin or Hammerstein, or Kern, or Arlen (Over the rainbow) or the all of the other marvelous Jewish songwriters, America without "Oklahoma" or "South Pacific" or "Showboat", would be much poorer.

    Then I can vividly recall the Hebrew family Doctor in my Detroit neighborhood as a kid, a wonderfully kind-hearted guy, who treated the poor goyim for free. He had been on the front lines in the war, and witnessed the most horrid visions one can humanly imagine, and came home as an enlightened being.

    Then there was the Jewish guy who took over the Shell station where I, as a teen, was running my butt off after school til midnight. He put his wife on the cash register, at that time wierd beyond belief, and when it came time for him to pay me my first week's wages : Forty bucks, he handed me ten Dollars with a fuck you expression on his kisser, and of course I quit on the spot.

    Then there was my Army buddy in Germany, Marx, a millionaire's son draftee, who proudly showed me his LA wedding photos, complete with Rabbi, Candelabra and Beenies. He waited three months for the first letter from his new wife , which turned out to be a "dear John". We sat in a dingy bar, owner just happened to be a Jew, and he put a bottle of whisky on the table which we emptied. My friend, broken-hearted, never mentioned her again until his time was up.

    Then there was my Hebrew buddy Solomon, who fell in love with a German girl and wanted to bring her to the states as his bride. I can still see him standing in the door to my room reading the letter from his parents stating that if he married a german girl, this was 1960 and the war was still fresh on everyone's mind, he did not have to come home.
    They found him and the girl, dead, in his new car in the woods close to the base, with a hose from the exaust pipe, and they parked the car in a warehouse on base, and there it sat until was discharged.

    Then there was my aging poker buddy Sol, who voted, to my incredible suprise and dismay , for BC, because he BC, had promised free prescription drugs to seniors.

    Anyway this is most definitely a complex subject, with unlimited pro and cons, and no actual resolutions or solutions to be found.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  85. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Now you know how the globlaist power works.

    Glob make a deal with Mass Invaders that goes like this: “WE will let you into the West to feed off white wealth. In turn, YOU vote four OUR party so that WE globalists keep the power.”

    GLOB use non-white mass invaders as Electoral Scabs. It’s the Electoral Spoilage system.

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  86. Thirdeye says:
    @English Outsider
    I have long been a fan of Colonel Lang's stand against the current neocon policy in the Middle East. Here I find the most authoritative account of the thinking behind the Syrian disaster I have seen.

    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon's table? Our politicians surely can't think they're exceptional too. Though in a way one hopes they might be - I no longer believe that those politicians represent the thinking of the great mass of people in Europe and the UK.

    Short answer, F,UK were the world’s leading imperial powers before WWII and seek to leverage American military and financial power to restore some degree of imperial power. The Atlantic Charter and the UN Charter were bitter pills for the old empires. France sought to override the UN Charter by force in Vietnam and Algeria, but lacked the wherewithall. Britain, France, and Israel sought to override it by force in the 1956 Suez Crisis until Daddy Ike told them that it wasn’t cool. The umbrella of American power is their best remaining means of re-establishing imperial power. It puts the onus on the US for violations of international law, but promises them some restoration of imperial power in MENA.

    Looking at the parade of toads that have occupied the White House in recent years, I have more and more respect for Eisenhower’s balls in the 1956 crisis. Such a move by an American President seems unimaginable today.

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  87. Thirdeye says:
    @Svigor
    Who the fuck does say "all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world"? Can we put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed, please?

    Aww, come on! There are all sorts of one trick ponies hawking that stuff on this site.

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  88. @Wally
    Spare us your shallow attempts to destract from your Jews First nonsense.
    Israel wouldn't last a week without skimming US taxpayers cash.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    Israel's Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    www.codoh.com

    Ok , so I thought I could have cut the nonsense off at the pass — Though I thought it would come from those who thought Israel has more than a right to exist.

    Fortunately, I have been reading Dr, Giraldi’s articles for years when they routinely appeared on the American Conservative. He and agree that Israel has far too much influence and direct power in US foreign policy. I agree that is bizarre and disturbing. I am absolutely in sync with US policy foes not mean Israeli policy. I think a lot of christians are playing fast and loose with scripture — and anyone who contends that Christ has called them to advance a war in the name of Christ and that war is descriptive of a dozens of behaviors and principles that Christ rejects is flat out abusing Christ — no doubt and no question. Israel should not be granted a carte blanche’ pass — it is unsupportable —

    My point is simple enough. And it’s an old point. We would still be having this discussion even there was no Israel. We would be questioning the policy of regime change. it’s an observation designed to focus on the issues here in the states as opposed to bashing Zionists. because frankly, Zionists are doing what all foreign lobbies do. Posture US might in their favor. Saudi Arabia, the Iraqi Congress, Japan, the Philippines, France, Germany, Great Britain . . .

    Your orientation is correct we need to give our leadership a backbone not jump on every Israeli inkling because we are afraid to lose favor with God. It’s an ethos that is over the top.

    And I understand the extreme position as one needed to crack the hold. It’s not a route I choose to follow. I certainly like to think my voice has impact in Israel. But it’s more likely to have more impact here among my fellows.

    I have been awake to Israeli influence since mt sophomore year in college. Buy I appreciate your efforts to “wake me up.”

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  89. Thirdeye says:
    @Svigor
    In context that's exactly what they are; the regime would like to do the exact same thing to SW Asia, but it won't work, because Japanese and Germans aren't Arabs.

    In context that’s exactly what they are; the regime would like to do the exact same thing to SW Asia, but it won’t work, because Japanese and Germans aren’t Arabs

    It may be that the cases of Germany and Japan – highly ordered, cohesive, rules-based societies – are among the rare exceptions to the rule on unintended consequences of regime change. And in both cases regime change followed catastrophic military defeats with multiple millions of deaths and was followed by massive infusions of aid.

    Even Germany isn’t such a great case for successful regime change when you look at the results of their 1918 defeat: years of political instability under a weak government until the rise of the Nazis.

    Japan retained their Emperor, which lent authority to their new government.

    Lastly, any regime change effort in a society with the historical memory of colonial domination is carrying some serious baggage.

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  90. @Svigor
    Bla bla bla all of our "interventions" are in places of interest to Zionists, because they're one half of the Match Made in Hell between Zionists and the Military-Industrial Complex, and the MIC doesn't care where their inventory is expended.

    Well,

    suppose your last sentence is correct, then my comments are quite in line. Because that sentence grants that even minus Israel — we would be so engaged. I won’t sign on to the suggestion about whether they care or not — but I agree, we would be expending said resources elsewhere for similar purposes.

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  91. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Neocon-run Twitter took out Red Elephants account.

    Twitter bans Red Elephants but lets CNN have many accounts. Twitter favors Official Lies of the Conspiratorial Deep State against Speculative Dissent of Free Thinkers. PC is War against ASK SPEECH. We are not supposed to ASK questions of the Globalist Power.

    According to Rules of Political Correctness, ASK SPEECH is not FREE SPEECH. Don’t you dare ASK Questions. Just accept the Answers provided by Ministry of Propaganda or MSM that colludes with Deep State of NSA, CIA, FBI, Wall Street, and Hollywood. PC says we should Ass-kiss than Ask Questions.

    World is divided between Askingers and Ass-Kissers. Those who ask questions of the power and those who ass-kiss the power. Unsurprisingly, most people in power got there by ass-kissing and being ass-kissed. We must ASK WHY.

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  92. @Z-man
    First clean up your English. I'm sure they teach it at your troll farm south of Dimona in the Negev where the air conditioning in the summer is bought and paid for by the American taxpayers!
    All foreign policy is for the benefit of the money lenders and the illegitimate state of Israhell. All conflict, 'crisis', wars deflect from the ultimate goal of Zion which is complete world control and hegemony for the Zionist Entity (same thing).

    I certainly could pay more attention to my writing and proof reading

    This comment espouses an intriguing scenario that is best saved for another time. it’s the suggestion of global dominance and one world government. It invites a lot of issues for christians about who and where the anti-christ will come from and reside.

    But that for another discussion. But don’t get pushback from me that Israel has too much influence, attention and support.

    All of that is quite another matter than whether they have a right to exist.

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  93. @RobinG
    Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. And yes, Dore is dopey. (Sachs has been on MSNBC many times. It was no mistake.) But, IMO, take gold where you find it.... limited hangout or not.
    If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn't make it a lie. Plus, you're not going to get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert fomentation of regime-change in Syria makes this golden.

    Here's the clip without Jimmy Dore's interruptions, only 5 min.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw
    Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria

    I do agree with Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs

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  94. Jimbank says:
    @Randal
    Great to see Colonel Lang added to the list of Unz writers. His direct expertise and experience in ME military and intel matters are unsurpassed, and as someone who has been intentionally excluded from the mainstream media because of his determination to express inconvenient truths that the powerful would prefer remain unsaid, he fits perfectly into the Unz mission statement: "A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media."

    After the putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013, an OPCW program removed all the chemical weapons to be found in Syria and stated its belief that there were no more in the country.
     

    Let's recall whilst considering this point that the OPCW is not some anti-American bureaucracy uninfluenced by US power. Here is what happened to an OPCW leader who crossed the US neocons:

    "We can't accept your management style," Bolton told Bustani in 2002, as Bustani recounted to The Intercept.

    "You have 24 hours to leave the organization, and if you don't comply with this decision by Washington, we have ways to retaliate against you," he reportedly continued. After a pause, Bolton reportedly said, "We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New York."

    Bustani was taken aback by Bolton's directness, but did not back down, according to The Intercept.
    ......
    Bustani eventually was forced to step down after the US convinced its allies in the organization to rally against him, according to The Times. He was forced out by a stunning vote of 48 to 7 and 43 abstentions.
     

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-threatened-family-of-brazilian-diplomat-iraq-war-2002-2018-3

    If the OPCW appears to be cooperating suspiciously with US objectives on an issue, that's credible. The contrary, not so much.

    On that note, let's also recall that the OPCW inspected one of the main targets of the recent US action, claimed by the US and its collaborators to be an active chemical weapons site, the Barzeh research centre, in 2017:

    He said it's "totally incorrect" that chemical weapons were being developed there. "The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) visited here and didn't report anything wrong with this place."
    ....
    CBS News looked into the OPCW report from Barzeh and it noted the Syrians had delayed the visit for security concerns, but didn't find any red flags.
     

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-airstrikes-brazeh-complex-damascus-2018-04-14/

    This is really important to understand

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  95. Thirdeye says:
    @Chet Roman
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.

    “Making the world safe for democracy” was the sales pitch for preserving the F, UK empires long before there was Israel. That effort was driven largely by American Blue Blood bankers who had risky investments in the UK war effort. American Jews were suspected of loyalty to the Kaiser because they loathed the Russian Tsar.

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  96. Svigor says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian
    Svigor,

    It would be really nice if it were possible to "put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed", but it is not likely to happen. The radical Zionists immediately use criticism of Israel to conflate criticism of Zionism with anti-Semitism. This is made far easier for them by the confusion around "Jewishness" that is deliberately (and conveniently, for their purposes) cultivated; is being a Jew a racial thing, a religious thing, a cultural thing regardless of the individual Jew's adherence to and practice of the tenets of Judaism? This ambiguity opens the door for claims that criticisms of the excesses of radical Zionism are at root leveled against all Jews regardless of their actual beliefs, political behaviors, and their self-perception regarding their roles in the life of the nation. Of course, true anti-Semites do in fact hold all Jews responsible for the actions of rabid Zionists, so everybody "wins".

    Except for real flesh and blood Jews, who are individuals with their own agency. My oldest friend is a Jew, I work with Jews, I make classical music with Jews. So I will never buy the blanket condemnation of Jews qua Jews. Do I wish that more American Jews would distance themselves from and be more critical of the "professional Jews" who are in leadership roles at radical Zionist organizations? Yes, but I have some sympathy for why this does not happen. As a historically disparaged minority, albeit with some reasons for that status, the reluctance is self-enforcing; there is a disincentive to talk smack on your "community" for fear of the ostracism, and reputational and career damage that might follow (there is no reasoning with one-issue fanatics, after all).

    Look at how blacks who lodge criticism of the behaviors of some in their community make out. Not too well, even when the criticisms are justified, and the ills perpetuated by these criticized behaviors work to the detriment not only of individual blacks, but also to the perception of blacks in general in the wider society.

    So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and excesses of some portion of that community. This seems to me to be intellectually and morally correct. Certainly it serves to help put the criticisms of NeoConservatism out there while yet insulating him to a degree from the blanket charges of anti-Semitism. And indeed, the NeoCons are not strictly radical Zionists, and some among them have other motivations behind their actions.

    So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and excesses of some portion of that community.

    This is immaterial; I refuse to tar them all, too. The issue is Lang’s need to imply someone doesn’t.

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    Are you an aged eccentric like me, a professor or a shut in with nothing better to do than be nasty mere?
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  97. Druid says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Come to think of it, I mostly agree with this comment: Col. Lang conflated American operating principle of "Manifest Destiny" with the zionist / neoconservative ideology (psychopathology).

    imo the process is more subtle: Manifest Destiny/Anglos and zionist/neoconservatives share mythological roots in Abrahamism, which posits that the "chosen" have a lock on truth, morality and god, and that they have the right and obligation to destroy anyone who fails to subscribe to that truth and their overlordship of it -- Evangelical Christians and Anglicans hold this concept fast.

    The zionist twist on this is twofold: First, Jews believe they are the ordained by god to be in charge; Jews have been chosen by god to "teach the world ethics, to drag the rest of the world kicking and screaming to behave morally." http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/96037069.html Apparently, some Jews really believe this.

    Second, but the larger zionist agenda is to establish Jews as a hegemonic if not global imperial power from a base in Israel, and they are using USA treasure, political and military power as its tool to achieve what are, ultimately, Jewish goals.

    To be sure, US policymakers, elites, and tens of thousands of ordinary citizens willingly and/or unwittingly subscribe to a similar predatory and dominating agenda. But if (when?) Jewish zionists achieve their goals, US will be discarded like toilet paper.

    It's useful to recognize that the early leaders of the zionist movement -- Herzl, Nordau, Pinsker and others -- recognized early on that Jews needed the support of a major power to achieve their goals, and solicited that support from the German kaiser, the Ottoman sultan, and the British.

    When Chaim Weizmann's activities to gain British support were successful, the same zionist Jews who had earlier petitioned Germany and Ottoman turned violently against those same powers and brought about their destruction. Germany's destruction was maneuvered in short order; the destruction of the Ottoman empire successor states has taken longer.

    Maybe those Arabs aren't so dumb after all.

    Arabs know Jews for what they are!

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    First cousins.
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  98. @Twodees Partain
    Spain didn't own the Philippine Islands and were in the process of being pushed out by filipino people when the war between Spain and the US started. It took a war of invasion to make the PI into US territory.

    Spain created the Philippines as a political entity as Britain created India. Spain ruled the islands for three hundred odd years. I understand that you are expressing your political beliefs but I am unimpressed by them.

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    Just as I am unimpressed with your lack of knowledge of history. Spain no more "created" the Philippines than Britain "created" India. I will clue you in on something: This isn't your blog. If you intend to police the comments sections of every article of yours that appears here, you're going to find it exhausting.
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  99. @Svigor

    So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and excesses of some portion of that community.
     
    This is immaterial; I refuse to tar them all, too. The issue is Lang's need to imply someone doesn't.

    Are you an aged eccentric like me, a professor or a shut in with nothing better to do than be nasty mere?

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    Grow a thick skin quick colonel, nastiness clings to unz.com like flies are attracted to stink. For the satirist its a mixed blessing; lots of ugliness with little creative value sharing the same free speech rights that made clips like this possible:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhozx819izU

    Like the Russians trying to negotiate with neocons, you'll figure out there is no point drawing anything to their attention (ignore button)
    , @Mike P

    Are you an aged eccentric like me, a professor or a shut in with nothing better to do than be nasty mere?
     
    Are these categories meant to be mutually exclusive? Because that might put some of us in a bit of a spot ;)
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  100. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    hmmm.

    Glad you made that distinction, between zionists and neocons.

    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Neocons are just what they say they are: Trotskyites in Beltway drag. Trotskyites dominated the Jerusalem Conference in 1979 when GWOT was birthed; G H W Bush did doula duty.

    I wonder what the linkage is between Jabotinsky and Trotsky? Both are revolutionaries, both advocate violence. Jabotinsky picked up on that change in Jewish behavior from petitioning from a posture of subservience-- shtadlones-- to demanding, with arrogance; Netanyahu is his worthy acolyte.

    Neocons have some genuine psychopaths among them -- the world would be a better place if an ice axe were wielded in Ledeen's vicinity.
    It's consistent with what Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982#46318982
    "Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history,”

    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.

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    Not according to most anti-Semites.
     
    You think zionism is simple?
    Tell us more, orphan iffen.
    , @annamaria
    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.
    Theresa & Boris' subordination to the ziocon "dealers:" http://thesaker.is/each-click-brings-us-one-step-closer-to-the-bang/
    "Have the Skripal and Douma false flag chemical (pseudo-) attacks been sufficient to re-subordinate the post-Brexit EU to the Anglosphere and have the AngloZionists been successful in forging a united front for a “Crusade against Russia”? The majority of EU governments have been willing to endorse any nonsense or violation of international law under the pretext of “solidarity”, but there are still quite a few cracks in this apparent unity.
    At this moment the situation is extremely fluid and there are too many potential variables which can determine the next developments in order to make a prediction better than a wild guess. The only thing which is certain that this confrontation between the AngloZionist Hegemony and Russia is far from over, both in Syria and elsewhere (the Ukraine)."
    --- Do you personally believe that the stupidity of the UK government re Skripal affair is totally endogenous? It looks that it was Theresa & Boris' servility to the ziocon agenda that exposed them (and M16) as total fools.
    , @annamaria
    More on the Skripal affaire.
    Sorry for the extremely long repost, but the material is exceptionally good. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-19/skripal-case-20-new-questions-journalists-might-start-asking

    "20 New Questions That Journalists Might Like To Start Asking:"

    1. It is known that Sergei Skripal worked for many years for MI6, having been recruited in 1995 by one Pablo Miller. Curiously, Mr Miller also lives in Salisbury and, according to some reports, the two of them met regularly in Cote Brasserie, which is in the centre of the City. Since Mr Skripal and his MI6 “handler” were in regular contact, it is not unreasonable to suppose that Mr Skripal may have still been working for MI6. Can this be categorically refuted by the UK Government?
    2. If the answer to the first question is that Mr Skripal was working for MI6, it would not be unreasonable to suppose that he may have had connections with the Porton Down facility, firstly since it has long-standing connections with MI6 and secondly because of its location, less than 10 miles from his Salisbury home. Can Porton Down confirm whether Mr Skripal ever had any connections to the facility, either directly or indirectly?
    3. It has been reported that there are plans to demolish Mr Skripal’s house. If this is the case, it would seem to be a rather extreme action. Why is it not possible to decontaminate the house, rather than destroy it?
    4. The advice given by Public Health England (PHE) to anyone who may have come into contact with the substance which poisoned Sergei and Yulia Skripal was as follows:
    “Wash the clothing that you were wearing in an ordinary washing machine using your regular detergent at the temperature recommended for the clothing. Wipe personal items such as phones, handbags and other electronic items with cleansing or baby wipes and dispose of the wipes in the bin (ordinary domestic waste disposal)… Other items such as jewellery and spectacles which cannot go in the washing machine or be cleaned with cleansing or baby wipes, should be hand washed with warm water and detergent and then rinsed with clean cold water. Please thoroughly wash your hands with soap and water after cleaning any items.”
    Assuming that the advice given by PHE was referring to the same substance that was apparently found on the door handle of Mr Skripal’s house, why were people who believed they may have got the chemical on their clothes or other items not advised to demolish their homes?
    5. Alternatively, why is warm water, detergent and baby wipes deemed insufficient for decontaminating Mr Skripal’s house?
    6. These two very different courses of action — the demolition of the house, and the instruction to wash with warm water and soap — would tend to suggest that the substances are of an entirely different nature to one another. Is this the case?
    7. If so, what accounts for the difference?
    8. Is it possible that there were other chemicals in Mr Skripal’s house, which were more toxic than those that PHE advised could be treated with warm water, soap and baby wipes?
    9. The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, has claimed that one of the laboratories which analysed environmental and blood samples on behalf of the OPCW – the Spiez laboratory in Switzerland – has stated that it found:
    “…traces of the toxic chemical BZ [3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate] and its precursor which are second category chemical weapons.”
    The Spiez laboratory has refused to confirm or deny his statement, instead issuing “a non-denial, denial”:
    “…the only institution that could confirm what Mr. Lavrov was saying is the OPCW. We cannot confirm or deny anything.”
    Since the UK Government has seen the analysis of the original samples, and has seen a copy of the OPCW’s classified report, can a spokesperson – perhaps the Foreign Secretary – go on record to categorically state that Mr Lavrov’s claim is false?
    10. Did the analysis at Porton Down identify any traces of BZ in either the blood samples or environmental samples?
    11. If Mr Lavrov’s claim about the Swiss laboratory is correct, would this explain the somewhat ambiguous language used by Porton Down in the evidence they submitted to the High Court, in which they stated that:
    “Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent” [my emphasis added]?
    12. Mr Lavrov also claimed that the Spiez laboratory had been surprised to find “the presence of type A-234 [“Novichok”] nerve agent in its virgin state…” [my emphasis]. Their surprise comes from the high volatility of the substance in question, and the relatively long period between the poisoning and the sample-taking. This also appears to accord with the OPCW’s official summary of their findings, which stated that the laboratories that had tested the samples had found that:
    “…the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.”
    Since A-234 is said to be of high volatility, degrading quickly, can Porton Down offer any explanation as to how the samples collected by the OPCW, weeks after the poisoning, could have contained A-234 of “high purity”?
    13. Furthermore, one of the scientists who worked on the development of the A-234 substance in the Soviet Union, Leonid Rink, has stated the following:
    “OPCW data saying that a toxic chemical was used proves that it was not Novichok… Novichok is a complex nerve-paralysing substance consisting of a mixture of many different components and additives that decompose in different ways. If a pure substance was found, it could not be Novichok.”
    Can the UK Government, or an expert from Porton Down, go on record to state that Mr Rink’s assertions are incorrect?
    14. Mr Rink also stated that if “pure Novichok” was indeed present in the substance found on the handle of Mr Skripal’s front door, both Sergei and Yulia Skripal would have died on the spot had they come into contact with it. Can the UK Government or experts at Porton Down comment on how Sergei and Yulia Skripal, along with Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, could have come into contact with A-234 of “high purity”, and still be alive and well?
    15. Can the UK Government or experts at Porton Down comment on how Sergei and Yulia Skripal could have come into contact with A-234 of “high purity” at Mr Skripal’s house, and apparently suffer no ill effects for the next 3-4 hours, including driving into the City Centre, going for a drink, and eating a meal?
    16. A-234 is reputed to be unstable and vulnerable to water. Indeed, one of the chemists who allegedly worked on its development, Vil Mirzayanov, claimed that, “only an idiot would have used Novichok nerve agent in humid conditions.” Since it was foggy in Salisbury on 4th March, and rained that evening, can a spokesperson for the UK Government tell us why they think the Russian state chose to use such an ineffective method of assassination?
    17. The theory that the substance had been placed on the handle of Mr Skripal’s front door first surfaced around 22nd March, more than two weeks after the poisoning and after a number of other theories had been mooted and debunked. During that time, there were not only periods of heavy rain but also heavy snowfall on the weekend of 17th-18th March. Can a spokesperson for the UK Government, or an expert at Porton Down comment on how a substance that disintegrates in water was not only found on the door handle weeks later, but was also apparently in a “pure form”?
    18. The symptoms of “Novichok” agents are said to be as follows:
    “Acetylcholine concentrations then increase at neuromuscular junctions to cause involuntary contraction of all skeletal muscles. This then leads to respiratory and cardiac arrest (as the victim’s heart and diaphragm muscles no longer function normally) and finally death from heart failure or suffocation as copious fluid secretions fill the victim’s lungs.”
    The symptoms for poisoning by 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate (BZ) are as follows:
    “BZ toxicity, which might occur by inhalation, ingestion, or skin absorption, is an anticholinergic syndrome consisting of a combination of signs and symptoms that might include hallucinations; agitation; mydriasis (dilated pupils); blurred vision; dry, flushed skin; urinary retention; ileus; tachycardia; hypertension; and elevated temperature (>101deg F).”
    One of the witnesses in the Maltings on 4th March, Freya Church, described the condition of Mr Skripal and his daughter as follows:
    “On the bench there was a couple – an older guy and a younger girl. She was leant in on him. It looked like she’d passed out. He was doing some strange hand movements, looking up to the sky. I felt anxious, like I should step in but they looked so out of it. They looked like they had been taking something quite strong.”
    Which description — A-234 or BZ — fits more closely with Ms Church’s statement of the Skripals’ condition on 4th March, and indeed their subsequent recovery?
    19. The method for decontaminating BZ is as follows:
    “Gentle, but thorough flushing of skin and hair with water or soap and water is required. Bleach is not necessary. Remove clothing.”
    As for A-234 (Novichok), according to Gary Aitkenhead, Chief Executive at Porton Down, there is no known antidote.
    Which of these most closely fits the advice given by PHE to those who believed they may have become contaminated, to use warm water and detergent and to thoroughly wash their hands with soap and water?
    20. Can Porton Down confirm that it has not had any samples of BZ in its possession in 2018?
    , @gwynedd1
    What's so complicated about it? Its fundamentally an ideology that suggests Jews belong in Israel. The implications might be complex for some people. Varies forces involving the different aspects exist . For some reason some people just can't believe that some Zionists love bad things to happen to Jews in diaspora because it meets those ends. Most people however are not surprised that Jews will attack and defend themselves to that end in Israel.

    all it takes is a billionaire or a multimillionaire to add dynamics to "Zionism", like Sheldon Anderson for example. All I know is there is a lot of pathology related to it. Its an old , Levantine , Semitic religion with lots of disposable wealth behind it. It would be a miracle for such a thing to be remotely wholesome. It make a Gothic period Byzantine court look like an actual square deal Sam.
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  101. Sowhat says:
    @RobinG
    More from Douma, with Pearson Sharp -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9C9koRmro
    OAN'S PEARSON SHARP REFUTES MSM REPORTS OF ALLEGED SYRIAN CHEMICAL ATTACK

    This video (45 minutes) explains that The New American Century is STILL-UNFOLDING game plan and the ULTIMATE GOAL for Israel and the neocon madman,Bolton AND Trump IS IRAN.

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  102. bjondo says:
    @Patrick Lang
    I have pointed at Zionist interest many times as the root cause of destructive US policy in the ME Have you ever read anything by me? I think not. nevertheles it is not the case that Zionism and neoconism are the same thing. Neoconism has a broader agenda than mere Zionism

    As I see ‘em:

    Zionism is the ME taking, beginning with Palestine, wing of Judaism.

    Neocons/Jewcons are Western, mostly American, Jew plotting, conniving for Greater Israel. Neopets/Jewpets help from positions of power not achievable by Jew and to be face to take blame.

    Neoconism’s broader agenda is to use America, the West in service to the Greater Israel fantasy and the fantasy of Jew control of world. Jerusalem as capital. Not my idea. Theirs.

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  103. bjondo says:
    @RobinG
    Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. And yes, Dore is dopey. (Sachs has been on MSNBC many times. It was no mistake.) But, IMO, take gold where you find it.... limited hangout or not.
    If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn't make it a lie. Plus, you're not going to get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert fomentation of regime-change in Syria makes this golden.

    Here's the clip without Jimmy Dore's interruptions, only 5 min.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw
    Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria

    In addition to corpses in his closet, wonder how much looted Russian loot in his off-shore account(s)?

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    You say this without a shred of evidence and you are not trying to be being funny! You seem about as unpleasant as a Trump in a spacesuit.
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  104. This preoccupation with factions is a distraction from the real problem. Like now there are the Neocons, and there is the other side, the, uh, I dunno, the regular government drones. Neocons are purportedly somewhat more warlike, criminal, and totalitarian than regular government drones. The difference amounts to blowing shit up in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen (Neocon Bush and Trump admins.) instead of in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan (regular drone Obama admin.) The difference amounts to torturing people in a lot of places (Neocon Bush admin.) instead of torturing people in fewer places and murdering them instead (regular drone Obama admin.)

    As far back as Tacitus, people understood that factional contention mounts as the state becomes more repressive and absolutist. Why? Because the stakes are higher. Winners can destroy losers. If you lose, you wind up like Narcissus, or Don Siegelman. And the US government has never been so repressive and arbitrary. So naturally, any faction you choose to look at is more vicious than ever before. Judean People’s Front? People’s Front of Judea? Biggus Dickus doesn’t care.

    Look at this the way the outside world world looks at it, the way treaty bodies and charter bodies of the UN member nations do. They don’t want to hear whining about how it’s all those other mean girls’ fault. They say, here are the duties of the state. Is the state doing its duty? Yes or No. Don’t give me this Neocon shit.

    The answer for the USA is No. This state has failed and forfeited its sovereignty. Why? Because the state has impunity. Formal US state impunity resides in CIA, which confers conditional ‘national security’ impunity on various subordinate repressive apparats. The problem is not that bad people are in charge of the state; the problem is that the state is inherently criminal. The inherently criminal command of this state is CIA.

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  105. @Patrick Lang
    Are you an aged eccentric like me, a professor or a shut in with nothing better to do than be nasty mere?

    Grow a thick skin quick colonel, nastiness clings to unz.com like flies are attracted to stink. For the satirist its a mixed blessing; lots of ugliness with little creative value sharing the same free speech rights that made clips like this possible:

    Like the Russians trying to negotiate with neocons, you’ll figure out there is no point drawing anything to their attention (ignore button)

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    ha ha ha ha ha!!!

    That's hilarious, RonaldThomasWest!!

    Thanks for demonstrating what low regard knuckle-draggers hold for patriotism, fulfillment of military duty and corp d'sprit; you win the medal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFH8m-_Nd2I
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  106. @Randal

    I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon’s table? Our politicians surely can’t think they’re exceptional too.
     
    Well clearly the US's European satrapies don't share directly in the US updated Manifest Destiny idea, but the US sphere elites in general are fully indoctrinated in the universalist ideology of internationalist social-liberalism and "democracy"-uber-alles (where "democracy" - whether in Republican, constitutional monarchic or other form - is in reality a kind of managed gerrymander to keep the established and US-favoured elites safely in control and ensure "populists" are excluded by any means necessary), and sees itself as on a mission to promote the spread of US style liberal (managed) "democracy" throughout the world (except where it's currently inconvenient to push it too hard for reasons of temporary expedience, such as in places like Saudi Arabia). There might well be a psychological component akin to Stockholm Syndrome, whereby people like Blair, Macron etc see the power of the US and the US exceptionalist ideology over their countries, know they are subordinate to it, and seek to internalise a wider version of it for themselves so that they can tell themselves that when they are serving Washington's objectives and profiting handsomely thereby, they are actually doing it for their own noble ideals.

    Then of course, human beings being human, there are also other self-serving motivations underlying the idealist pretext - collaboration for personal gain with the jewish/Israeli lobby that is hugely powerful in the UK and Europe as well as in the US, military-industrial types wanting to boost the status and budgets of the military, etc. These are the real motivations, as opposed to the legitimising pretext that is the supposedly noble ideal of American exceptionalism or internationalist social liberalism.

    Lately the British regime's enthusiasm for the interventionist project seems to be greater even than that of the US regime, for instance.
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  107. @HooperHooper
    I understand your point, but Col. Lang's statement of acquired is correct. The USA "acquired" the Phillipine islands as a result of the treaty ending the Spanish-American war. There was a following military occupation and war against nationalist rebels, but that doesn't make his wording incorrect.

    Realty seized under violent duress and unprovoked aggression, where its rightful owners have been bombed into submission? whose owners then “sign a treaty” ceding their God-given native rights/land- to salvage themselves from being wiped out to extinction by an invading horde?
    That is genocidal extortion and not realty “acquired” legitimately or legally no matter if the invader is Genghis Khan, USA or ISIS. No sale.

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  108. @Patrick Lang
    Spain created the Philippines as a political entity as Britain created India. Spain ruled the islands for three hundred odd years. I understand that you are expressing your political beliefs but I am unimpressed by them.

    Just as I am unimpressed with your lack of knowledge of history. Spain no more “created” the Philippines than Britain “created” India. I will clue you in on something: This isn’t your blog. If you intend to police the comments sections of every article of yours that appears here, you’re going to find it exhausting.

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    Most commenters on UR provide something interesting to read once or twice in a large output but I don't think you have ever done so. Now I know why. You are not only arrogantly rude but plain stupid. You have totally failed to understand and acknowledge the perfectly justifiable sense in which Col. Lang used the word "created". PO!
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  109. Miro23 says:
    @RobinG
    Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. And yes, Dore is dopey. (Sachs has been on MSNBC many times. It was no mistake.) But, IMO, take gold where you find it.... limited hangout or not.
    If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn't make it a lie. Plus, you're not going to get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert fomentation of regime-change in Syria makes this golden.

    Here's the clip without Jimmy Dore's interruptions, only 5 min.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw
    Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria

    Thanks for the video. This is an extraordinarily important clip that lays it all bare.

    The CIA /US Zionists are an undercover state within a state using False Flags, war and murder to further their aims which are the destruction of 7 countries in 5 years (first hand evidence from General Wesley Clark).

    1) Iraq 2) Syria 3) Lebanon 4) Libya 5)Somalia 6)Sudan 7) Iran

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    I would disagree twice if I could.

    What Wesley Clark provided was not "evidence," it was part of the psy ops, the propaganda campaign against the American people (among others).
    Gen Clark is not on your side, the job he was doing in this clip was/is normalizing aggressive war.

    Clark is the advertising department, not office of policy and planning.

    What Clark was advertising began to take shape in ~ 1979, with the Jerusalem Conference, hosted by Benzion and Benjamin Netanyahu. The Conference was documented in a book titled, International Terrorism: Challenge and Response, edited by Benjamin Netanyahu. https://books.google.com/books/about/International_Terrorism.html?id=s8Pm37gg5JkC

    (Please realize that Benzion Netanyahu was administrative aide, then replacement for Vladimir Jabotinsky in the run-up to and during WWII, which was a period of frenetic development of the zionist colonial-settler project in Palestine. Connect the dots: GWOT is only another phase in the campaigns for Anglo-zionist dominance originating ~ WWI. G H W Bush said as much about his reasonss for the Persian gulf war.)

    Seven states to be destroyed were listed.

    Neocons dominated the speaking roster.

    George H W Bush spoke on the last day of the Conference.

    The Bush family has been deeply involved in what is now called neoconservatism at least since pre-WWI, which is one point of origin for the domination of US foreign policy by "zionists" or "globalists" or, "New World Order"-ists such as G H W Bush.

    A follow-up conference took place in Washington in 1984.


    " its stated aim was coordination of the global response to "terrorism". . . .[It] succeeded in assembling as large and prestigious a group of participants and audience as the 1979 Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism.

    Leading addresses were given by U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz, UN Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick (of Le Cercle), and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

    Also in attendance were Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Midge Decter, Paul Laxalt, Edwin Meese, Jack Kemp, and media stars Daniel Schorr and Ted Koppel.

    As in 1979, the conference featured terrorism as the new focus of Israeli, U.S., and European foreign policy concern, and the participants chosen assured the uncontested reiteration of the Western model, with a strong bent toward its extremist version.

    The Palestinians, with their alleged Soviet "sponsors," were held responsible for almost every (retail) terrorist attack cited by the body of experts in attendance, who, among others, included
    Michael Ledeen, Claire Sterling, Ray S. Cline, Arnaud de Borchgrave, Lord Chalfont and Jillian Becker.
     

    To recap the 1984 terror conference, Benjamin Netanyahu produced another book, Terrorism: How the West Can Win, of which one reviewer observed:

    "There are some low-level oddities about this book that should be noted quickly.
    Very few efforts are made to convince readers of what is being said: sources and figures are never cited; abstractions and generalizations pop up everywhere; and, except for three essays on Islam, historical argument is limited to the single proposition that "terrorism" has never before presented such a threat to "the democracies.'

    I was also struck that the verb in the book's subtitle, How the West Can Win, doesn't seem to have an object: Win what? one wonders.

    So great is the number of contributors, so hortatory the tone, so confident and many the assertions, that in the end you retain little of what has been said, except that you had better get on with the fight against terrorism, whatever Netanyahu says it is."
     

    While every effort is appreciated that peels the onion of the malign influences on US foreign affairs, Ron Unz has provided a tremendous platform to communicate rock-solid information.

    Along with the "nastiness [that] clings to unz.com like flies are attracted to stink" (h/t Ronald Thomas West) is a tremendous amount of research and reporting capability -- a lot of Unz.com "nasties" have performed the work that journalists fail to do. We can and do dig deeper than Wesley Clark propaganda ads, we have a platform to present that information, and it would be the best use of this forum to dig deeper and report keener.

    Yes indeed, Wesley Clark (and Jeff Sachs) said that, made the video; they said, "Coke is it."

    But what are the ingredients in that Coke? Who created the recipe? Why do they want us to drink it? Should we trust them, or should we be concerned that they are trying to poison us?

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  110. Mike P says:
    @Patrick Lang
    Are you an aged eccentric like me, a professor or a shut in with nothing better to do than be nasty mere?

    Are you an aged eccentric like me, a professor or a shut in with nothing better to do than be nasty mere?

    Are these categories meant to be mutually exclusive? Because that might put some of us in a bit of a spot ;)

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  111. Heros says:
    @Patrick Lang
    Ah, you want me to propagandize for your preferred positions. You want me to scream every day that the JEWS did it. You are supposed to be able to read between the lines and understan the truth of things. You are more of sa simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog.

    “You are more of a simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog.”

    Typical Pat Lang, not satisfied with his wishy washy bulling and banning behavior on his own blog, he carries it over to Unz.

    The real reason Lang cannot seem to be able to connect the dots and acknowledge the corrosive and even genocidal effects of this racial supremacist religion cum race is the same reason none of his ilk will even bother to take a deep look at 9/11. It is called culpability.

    For if the Neocons or Zionists, most of us don’t care to make a distinction because they are serving the same masters, are guilty of half of the crimes that Lang openly admits, then Lang is as guilty as any “Nazi” hung after Nuremburg.

    So like the vast majority of Americans, his logic and thinking are befuddled with cognitive dissonance. He can accept contradictions like Good War and Hiroshima. Or ignore and cover up US actions in Vietnam because it was the most important event in his and his war-buddies lifes.

    The important question, is why is he allowed by ZOG to make the truth about Israel posts that he does. The answer is that he always toes their red line. He calls our owners the “BORG” instead of calling them “ZOG”. He always stays away from evidence about how Zionists planned WWII through things like embargo’s, ethnic cleansing of Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia, or that the Zionists had been preparing the “Holocaust” for decades.

    In short, his blog, and this post, are limited hangouts. Sure, he has some interesting insights and inside information. So does Ben Shapiro or Jason Goodman, but you will never find a path to the truth by reading their drivel.

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    Your post is slanderous. Learn first about Colonel Lang' relationships with the US neo- and ziocons.
    If you do not like his blog, nobody forces you to visit it.
    You pretend to be equal to Colonel Lang. Who are you, "Heros?" Share with us your biography so that we all could assess your courage and expertise.
    , @kemerd

    So like the vast majority of Americans, his logic and thinking are befuddled with cognitive dissonance. He can accept contradictions like Good War and Hiroshima. Or ignore and cover up US actions in Vietnam because it was the most important event in his and his war-buddies lifes.

     

    You got an important point: Col. Lang certainly do not have any problems with accepting false narratives in the past. I was amazed by his behavior of shutting down comments on his blog (when he posted a propaganda piece about Stalin) because some commentators pointed out factual problems in there.

    But, I will keep following him just because he sometimes provides some glimpse of what the rulers of the US actually think
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  112. @iffen
    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.

    You think zionism is simple?
    Tell us more, orphan iffen.

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    Not according to most anti-Semites.
     
    You think zionism is simple?
    Tell us more, orphan iffen.


    Notice that I said "according to most anti-Semites," not according to iffen.

    But since you ask, I do think that it is simple nationalism.
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  113. @Ronald Thomas West
    Grow a thick skin quick colonel, nastiness clings to unz.com like flies are attracted to stink. For the satirist its a mixed blessing; lots of ugliness with little creative value sharing the same free speech rights that made clips like this possible:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhozx819izU

    Like the Russians trying to negotiate with neocons, you'll figure out there is no point drawing anything to their attention (ignore button)

    ha ha ha ha ha!!!

    That’s hilarious, RonaldThomasWest!!

    Thanks for demonstrating what low regard knuckle-draggers hold for patriotism, fulfillment of military duty and corp d’sprit; you win the medal.

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    Always a pleasure, here's one for you:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2018/02/04/trumps-state-of-the-empire/

    ^
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  114. annamaria says:
    @iffen
    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.

    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.
    Theresa & Boris’ subordination to the ziocon “dealers:” http://thesaker.is/each-click-brings-us-one-step-closer-to-the-bang/
    “Have the Skripal and Douma false flag chemical (pseudo-) attacks been sufficient to re-subordinate the post-Brexit EU to the Anglosphere and have the AngloZionists been successful in forging a united front for a “Crusade against Russia”? The majority of EU governments have been willing to endorse any nonsense or violation of international law under the pretext of “solidarity”, but there are still quite a few cracks in this apparent unity.
    At this moment the situation is extremely fluid and there are too many potential variables which can determine the next developments in order to make a prediction better than a wild guess. The only thing which is certain that this confrontation between the AngloZionist Hegemony and Russia is far from over, both in Syria and elsewhere (the Ukraine).”
    — Do you personally believe that the stupidity of the UK government re Skripal affair is totally endogenous? It looks that it was Theresa & Boris’ servility to the ziocon agenda that exposed them (and M16) as total fools.

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    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.
     
    Ah but there's the rub. Five or more like ten years ago yes but today the MSM, the Jew-ish 'advocacy' groups in the West are institutionalizing anti Zionism as anti Semitic. Soon even negroes who protest against Israeli crimes against the Palestinians will be labeled anti Semites. Big brother is watching.
    Of course it doesn't affect the likes of some but others will be intimidated into silence, which it has unfortunately already done.
    Zionism must be defeated.
    , @iffen
    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.

    I guess this might be true but it sure seems to help.
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  115. annamaria says:
    @iffen
    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.

    More on the Skripal affaire.
    Sorry for the extremely long repost, but the material is exceptionally good. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-19/skripal-case-20-new-questions-journalists-might-start-asking

    “20 New Questions That Journalists Might Like To Start Asking:”

    [MORE]

    1. It is known that Sergei Skripal worked for many years for MI6, having been recruited in 1995 by one Pablo Miller. Curiously, Mr Miller also lives in Salisbury and, according to some reports, the two of them met regularly in Cote Brasserie, which is in the centre of the City. Since Mr Skripal and his MI6 “handler” were in regular contact, it is not unreasonable to suppose that Mr Skripal may have still been working for MI6. Can this be categorically refuted by the UK Government?
    2. If the answer to the first question is that Mr Skripal was working for MI6, it would not be unreasonable to suppose that he may have had connections with the Porton Down facility, firstly since it has long-standing connections with MI6 and secondly because of its location, less than 10 miles from his Salisbury home. Can Porton Down confirm whether Mr Skripal ever had any connections to the facility, either directly or indirectly?
    3. It has been reported that there are plans to demolish Mr Skripal’s house. If this is the case, it would seem to be a rather extreme action. Why is it not possible to decontaminate the house, rather than destroy it?
    4. The advice given by Public Health England (PHE) to anyone who may have come into contact with the substance which poisoned Sergei and Yulia Skripal was as follows:
    “Wash the clothing that you were wearing in an ordinary washing machine using your regular detergent at the temperature recommended for the clothing. Wipe personal items such as phones, handbags and other electronic items with cleansing or baby wipes and dispose of the wipes in the bin (ordinary domestic waste disposal)… Other items such as jewellery and spectacles which cannot go in the washing machine or be cleaned with cleansing or baby wipes, should be hand washed with warm water and detergent and then rinsed with clean cold water. Please thoroughly wash your hands with soap and water after cleaning any items.”
    Assuming that the advice given by PHE was referring to the same substance that was apparently found on the door handle of Mr Skripal’s house, why were people who believed they may have got the chemical on their clothes or other items not advised to demolish their homes?
    5. Alternatively, why is warm water, detergent and baby wipes deemed insufficient for decontaminating Mr Skripal’s house?
    6. These two very different courses of action — the demolition of the house, and the instruction to wash with warm water and soap — would tend to suggest that the substances are of an entirely different nature to one another. Is this the case?
    7. If so, what accounts for the difference?
    8. Is it possible that there were other chemicals in Mr Skripal’s house, which were more toxic than those that PHE advised could be treated with warm water, soap and baby wipes?
    9. The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, has claimed that one of the laboratories which analysed environmental and blood samples on behalf of the OPCW – the Spiez laboratory in Switzerland – has stated that it found:
    “…traces of the toxic chemical BZ [3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate] and its precursor which are second category chemical weapons.”
    The Spiez laboratory has refused to confirm or deny his statement, instead issuing “a non-denial, denial”:
    “…the only institution that could confirm what Mr. Lavrov was saying is the OPCW. We cannot confirm or deny anything.”
    Since the UK Government has seen the analysis of the original samples, and has seen a copy of the OPCW’s classified report, can a spokesperson – perhaps the Foreign Secretary – go on record to categorically state that Mr Lavrov’s claim is false?
    10. Did the analysis at Porton Down identify any traces of BZ in either the blood samples or environmental samples?
    11. If Mr Lavrov’s claim about the Swiss laboratory is correct, would this explain the somewhat ambiguous language used by Porton Down in the evidence they submitted to the High Court, in which they stated that:
    “Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent” [my emphasis added]?
    12. Mr Lavrov also claimed that the Spiez laboratory had been surprised to find “the presence of type A-234 [“Novichok”] nerve agent in its virgin state…” [my emphasis]. Their surprise comes from the high volatility of the substance in question, and the relatively long period between the poisoning and the sample-taking. This also appears to accord with the OPCW’s official summary of their findings, which stated that the laboratories that had tested the samples had found that:
    “…the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.”
    Since A-234 is said to be of high volatility, degrading quickly, can Porton Down offer any explanation as to how the samples collected by the OPCW, weeks after the poisoning, could have contained A-234 of “high purity”?
    13. Furthermore, one of the scientists who worked on the development of the A-234 substance in the Soviet Union, Leonid Rink, has stated the following:
    “OPCW data saying that a toxic chemical was used proves that it was not Novichok… Novichok is a complex nerve-paralysing substance consisting of a mixture of many different components and additives that decompose in different ways. If a pure substance was found, it could not be Novichok.”
    Can the UK Government, or an expert from Porton Down, go on record to state that Mr Rink’s assertions are incorrect?
    14. Mr Rink also stated that if “pure Novichok” was indeed present in the substance found on the handle of Mr Skripal’s front door, both Sergei and Yulia Skripal would have died on the spot had they come into contact with it. Can the UK Government or experts at Porton Down comment on how Sergei and Yulia Skripal, along with Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, could have come into contact with A-234 of “high purity”, and still be alive and well?
    15. Can the UK Government or experts at Porton Down comment on how Sergei and Yulia Skripal could have come into contact with A-234 of “high purity” at Mr Skripal’s house, and apparently suffer no ill effects for the next 3-4 hours, including driving into the City Centre, going for a drink, and eating a meal?
    16. A-234 is reputed to be unstable and vulnerable to water. Indeed, one of the chemists who allegedly worked on its development, Vil Mirzayanov, claimed that, “only an idiot would have used Novichok nerve agent in humid conditions.” Since it was foggy in Salisbury on 4th March, and rained that evening, can a spokesperson for the UK Government tell us why they think the Russian state chose to use such an ineffective method of assassination?
    17. The theory that the substance had been placed on the handle of Mr Skripal’s front door first surfaced around 22nd March, more than two weeks after the poisoning and after a number of other theories had been mooted and debunked. During that time, there were not only periods of heavy rain but also heavy snowfall on the weekend of 17th-18th March. Can a spokesperson for the UK Government, or an expert at Porton Down comment on how a substance that disintegrates in water was not only found on the door handle weeks later, but was also apparently in a “pure form”?
    18. The symptoms of “Novichok” agents are said to be as follows:
    “Acetylcholine concentrations then increase at neuromuscular junctions to cause involuntary contraction of all skeletal muscles. This then leads to respiratory and cardiac arrest (as the victim’s heart and diaphragm muscles no longer function normally) and finally death from heart failure or suffocation as copious fluid secretions fill the victim’s lungs.”
    The symptoms for poisoning by 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate (BZ) are as follows:
    “BZ toxicity, which might occur by inhalation, ingestion, or skin absorption, is an anticholinergic syndrome consisting of a combination of signs and symptoms that might include hallucinations; agitation; mydriasis (dilated pupils); blurred vision; dry, flushed skin; urinary retention; ileus; tachycardia; hypertension; and elevated temperature (>101deg F).”
    One of the witnesses in the Maltings on 4th March, Freya Church, described the condition of Mr Skripal and his daughter as follows:
    “On the bench there was a couple – an older guy and a younger girl. She was leant in on him. It looked like she’d passed out. He was doing some strange hand movements, looking up to the sky. I felt anxious, like I should step in but they looked so out of it. They looked like they had been taking something quite strong.”
    Which description — A-234 or BZ — fits more closely with Ms Church’s statement of the Skripals’ condition on 4th March, and indeed their subsequent recovery?
    19. The method for decontaminating BZ is as follows:
    “Gentle, but thorough flushing of skin and hair with water or soap and water is required. Bleach is not necessary. Remove clothing.”
    As for A-234 (Novichok), according to Gary Aitkenhead, Chief Executive at Porton Down, there is no known antidote.
    Which of these most closely fits the advice given by PHE to those who believed they may have become contaminated, to use warm water and detergent and to thoroughly wash their hands with soap and water?
    20. Can Porton Down confirm that it has not had any samples of BZ in its possession in 2018?

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  116. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Can our side develop a special “Doxing” team to publish the personal information of where the worst Zio Neoconservative lying war mongers live, hang out, play golf.

    I want to confront John Bolton, Karl Rove, David Frum on the 10th T of some posh golf course. I will be with a one legged “wounded warrior” from the US war for “Freedom and Democracy” in Iraq.

    Or maybe try to do an improvised chemical weapons attack some Neo Con’s vacation home in the Hamptons – or just dunk the punks underwater in a chlorine treated swimming pool in Georgetown.

    We have to make this personal and personally punish the vile, evil, lying Neo Conservative, Zionist, Cuckservative war mongers that have slaughtered hundreds of thousands and set off a migrant invasion that will overwhelm Western Europe, UK the West.

    But, that’s the whole point isn’t it:

    Invade the world for Israel and the Saudi Sunni Islamist royals (ISIS)
    Invite the world – mass migration invasions of North Africans, Sub Sahara Black Africans, Pakistani/Afhan mountain rapists, throat cutters
    In Hoc to the Federal Reserve Banking cartel, China to pay for all this sh**

    And then the same tribe’s Media Mafia gets to distract our proles with endless TV shows like “Maury”

    “Jamal – you ARE the father”.

    But, some good news in Central Europe and Russia. Mother Russia is looking rather good I must say.

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    Can our side develop a special “Doxing” team to publish the personal information of where the worst Zio Neoconservative lying war mongers live, hang out, play golf.
     
    You can find some info on that in 'social columns' in papers like the WP, NYT, LA Times and in magazines like Vanity Fair, Town and Country, Esquire, GQ and etc..
    I did that once out of curiosity and found lots of stuff about their social haunts , homes, parties they were giving or attending , travel plans and so forth.
    , @Parbes
    EXACTLY.

    PERSONALIZED, INDIVIDUALIZED punishment is needed for the neocon criminals and their MSM stooges. Nothing else will stop or dissuade them from continuing with what they have been doing. These psychopaths are the enemies of BOTH the Western peoples AND the rest of humanity.

    They have been getting off scot-free for three decades now. That scot-freeness has got to END.

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  117. @Miro23
    Thanks for the video. This is an extraordinarily important clip that lays it all bare.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw

    The CIA /US Zionists are an undercover state within a state using False Flags, war and murder to further their aims which are the destruction of 7 countries in 5 years (first hand evidence from General Wesley Clark).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

    1) Iraq 2) Syria 3) Lebanon 4) Libya 5)Somalia 6)Sudan 7) Iran

    I would disagree twice if I could.

    What Wesley Clark provided was not “evidence,” it was part of the psy ops, the propaganda campaign against the American people (among others).
    Gen Clark is not on your side, the job he was doing in this clip was/is normalizing aggressive war.

    Clark is the advertising department, not office of policy and planning.

    What Clark was advertising began to take shape in ~ 1979, with the Jerusalem Conference, hosted by Benzion and Benjamin Netanyahu. The Conference was documented in a book titled, International Terrorism: Challenge and Response, edited by Benjamin Netanyahu. https://books.google.com/books/about/International_Terrorism.html?id=s8Pm37gg5JkC

    (Please realize that Benzion Netanyahu was administrative aide, then replacement for Vladimir Jabotinsky in the run-up to and during WWII, which was a period of frenetic development of the zionist colonial-settler project in Palestine. Connect the dots: GWOT is only another phase in the campaigns for Anglo-zionist dominance originating ~ WWI. G H W Bush said as much about his reasonss for the Persian gulf war.)

    Seven states to be destroyed were listed.

    Neocons dominated the speaking roster.

    George H W Bush spoke on the last day of the Conference.

    The Bush family has been deeply involved in what is now called neoconservatism at least since pre-WWI, which is one point of origin for the domination of US foreign policy by “zionists” or “globalists” or, “New World Order”-ists such as G H W Bush.

    A follow-up conference took place in Washington in 1984.

    ” its stated aim was coordination of the global response to “terrorism”. . . .[It] succeeded in assembling as large and prestigious a group of participants and audience as the 1979 Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism.

    Leading addresses were given by U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz, UN Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick (of Le Cercle), and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

    Also in attendance were Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Midge Decter, Paul Laxalt, Edwin Meese, Jack Kemp, and media stars Daniel Schorr and Ted Koppel.

    As in 1979, the conference featured terrorism as the new focus of Israeli, U.S., and European foreign policy concern, and the participants chosen assured the uncontested reiteration of the Western model, with a strong bent toward its extremist version.

    The Palestinians, with their alleged Soviet “sponsors,” were held responsible for almost every (retail) terrorist attack cited by the body of experts in attendance, who, among others, included
    Michael Ledeen, Claire Sterling, Ray S. Cline, Arnaud de Borchgrave, Lord Chalfont and Jillian Becker.

    To recap the 1984 terror conference, Benjamin Netanyahu produced another book, Terrorism: How the West Can Win, of which one reviewer observed:

    “There are some low-level oddities about this book that should be noted quickly.
    Very few efforts are made to convince readers of what is being said: sources and figures are never cited; abstractions and generalizations pop up everywhere; and, except for three essays on Islam, historical argument is limited to the single proposition that “terrorism” has never before presented such a threat to “the democracies.’

    I was also struck that the verb in the book’s subtitle, How the West Can Win, doesn’t seem to have an object: Win what? one wonders.

    So great is the number of contributors, so hortatory the tone, so confident and many the assertions, that in the end you retain little of what has been said, except that you had better get on with the fight against terrorism, whatever Netanyahu says it is.”

    While every effort is appreciated that peels the onion of the malign influences on US foreign affairs, Ron Unz has provided a tremendous platform to communicate rock-solid information.

    Along with the “nastiness [that] clings to unz.com like flies are attracted to stink” (h/t Ronald Thomas West) is a tremendous amount of research and reporting capability — a lot of Unz.com “nasties” have performed the work that journalists fail to do. We can and do dig deeper than Wesley Clark propaganda ads, we have a platform to present that information, and it would be the best use of this forum to dig deeper and report keener.

    Yes indeed, Wesley Clark (and Jeff Sachs) said that, made the video; they said, “Coke is it.”

    But what are the ingredients in that Coke? Who created the recipe? Why do they want us to drink it? Should we trust them, or should we be concerned that they are trying to poison us?

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  118. @Svigor
    It's just so tired. OMG IKAGO! NAJALT! Gee, thanks so much, I never thought of that before you came along and told me...

    Holy shit Svigor, you’re not arguing against Lot here. Put your monomania to rest. Jews under the bed is just as annoying as Nazis under the bed.

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    I'm not arguing against anyone here. I'm arguing against an argument. It gets old, hearing it. Way past old.
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  119. annamaria says:

    “We have to make this personal and personally punish the vile, evil, lying Neo Conservative, Zionist, Cuckservative war mongers that have slaughtered hundreds of thousands and set off a migrant invasion that will overwhelm Western Europe, UK the West.”
    — Agree.
    The comment section on Saker: http://thesaker.is/syrian-war-report-april-19-2018-journalists-find-boy-filmed-in-staged-video-of-chemical-attack-in-douma/
    _smr on April 20, 2018 · at 3:40 am UTC
    “Last weekend’s disastrous – almost comical – military failure by Zion’s brightest to derail Syria’s campaign to chase the Jewish Mafia’s mercenaries, jihadis and genociders out of the country, seems to have utterly demoralized the thugs, thieves and killers. Reconciliations, green buses, handing in weapons to the Syrian authorities all over the place…”
    – Do the “Neo Conservative, Zionist, Cuckservative war mongers” understand that they have been “re-arranging” a world for their children and grandchildren to live? Guess, until the progeny of Bush, Cheney, Blair, Sarkozy, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Kagans and other war mongers and war-profiteers begin to feel the heat, their criminal elders would remain content with their crimes against humanity.
    There should be initiated a process of stripping the war profiteers of all assets and directing the funds towards the reconstruction of the destroyed Middle Eastern countries. No bloody money for the progeny of the “Neo Conservative, Zionist, Cuckservative war mongers.”

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  120. anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    there are plenty of interventionists on the press for democracy and "capitalism" as cause for stabilizing regions that are not Jews or all that active in Zionists policies.

    The desire to regime change in North Korea and parts of Africa are not all that beneficial to Zionist ambitions. I am not all convinced that Israel is a democracy. But it's clear that neither Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan are going to raving democratic capitalist states - every. Muslim faith precludes such a system. even if said states did embrace democracy -- there is no evidence and would in all likelihood not reflect what exists in the US. Because what exists in the US is founded on a particular history and environment and inter-relational dynamics.

    The grand narrative they advance would be attractive as policy even minus the existence of Israel.


    --- Cutting off nonsense at the pass: I do think Israel has a right to exist. --

    Muslim faith precludes such a system

    The “greatest” democracy in the world elected a pathetic loser degenerate called Trump… who is not really in charge, anyway.

    The biggest democracy in the world gave power to an evil hindu-nationalist mass murdering degenerate, who couldn’t even bring himself to condemn the rape\torture\murder of an 8yr old… simply because she was from a minority community, and the rapists where of his ilk.

    Democracy is too highly overrated.

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    The \re are plenty of reasons to criticize Pres trump. I did before the campaign , during the campaign and i do so now. But of all the candidates his policies most fit with my own on policy.

    On the issues or integrity, consistency, faith, what constitutes a moral lifestyle --- It was clear we had differences. But I voted on the policies on which we agreed. There was no question that he was a situational leadership --- and that meant taking some risks. I prefer a style that is as straight forward as possible, one that doesn't require 9 level deep chess -- a game both sides are playing and which is turning the US into 19th Century Europe land of personal intrigue -- a mess for the republic. A land in which the country becomes solely the playground of the elites and the rest of play along as though their game is ours.

    President Trump has not made this arena. But his presence has exposed the world of politics and finance for the naked self serving bastion that it is. The republic is not dead, but it is in danger. I am not even sure that the elites are intentionally threatening its existence. But the distance between their realities and the rest of us are increasingly becoming so vast, that neither they or I know the difference. Eventually, neither government spending nor mega companies tossing employment to the general public will be not be enough to assuage the angst. And while he may be playing ball -- what exists, this environment may reflect a Mr. Trump, but it is not of his making. What I did not expect was that he would be as weak as he appears to be. I hope I am wrong, but thus far inspite of Damocles's sword he does not appear to be as strong or as straight forward as i had hoped.

    No, the Muslim faith doesn't preclude, prevent or suppress such a system. It's the result of human machinations and if history tells us anything it's the Muslim's are loaded with intrigue, lies, backstabbing, murder, political and personal ambitions, as well as religious agendas many of which were and in conflict with each other. The battles in Muslim, between Sunnis and Shia, and variations of the faith that have and continue bloody the deserts, and waters in the Middle East existed long before colonialism and will continue to foster themselves in the same.

    Democracy is highly over rated as a guaranteed solution -- and it certainly is not a solution for every society

    But neither democracy nor Islam are derived from perfect beings . . . but I love my country with all its ills. And while, it is full of liars, and systems that are full of errs and has it in it people who will engage in all manner of filth to destroy the lives of others on the whims of their own cowardice. I have only one answer - have and operate with integrity regardless of what everyone does.

    Integrity matters and that is a walk no one can for me save Christ. Integrity matters so Christ before Mohammed any day of the week, month or year. And if integrity means poverty then so be it. If integrity means singleness so be it. If integrity means not jumping on the Israeli band wagon that contradicts Christ ---

    so be it.

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  121. @SolontoCroesus
    ha ha ha ha ha!!!

    That's hilarious, RonaldThomasWest!!

    Thanks for demonstrating what low regard knuckle-draggers hold for patriotism, fulfillment of military duty and corp d'sprit; you win the medal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFH8m-_Nd2I
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  122. renfro says:
    @anonymous
    Can our side develop a special "Doxing" team to publish the personal information of where the worst Zio Neoconservative lying war mongers live, hang out, play golf.

    I want to confront John Bolton, Karl Rove, David Frum on the 10th T of some posh golf course. I will be with a one legged "wounded warrior" from the US war for "Freedom and Democracy" in Iraq.

    Or maybe try to do an improvised chemical weapons attack some Neo Con's vacation home in the Hamptons - or just dunk the punks underwater in a chlorine treated swimming pool in Georgetown.

    We have to make this personal and personally punish the vile, evil, lying Neo Conservative, Zionist, Cuckservative war mongers that have slaughtered hundreds of thousands and set off a migrant invasion that will overwhelm Western Europe, UK the West.

    But, that's the whole point isn't it:

    Invade the world for Israel and the Saudi Sunni Islamist royals (ISIS)
    Invite the world - mass migration invasions of North Africans, Sub Sahara Black Africans, Pakistani/Afhan mountain rapists, throat cutters
    In Hoc to the Federal Reserve Banking cartel, China to pay for all this sh**

    And then the same tribe's Media Mafia gets to distract our proles with endless TV shows like "Maury"

    "Jamal - you ARE the father".

    But, some good news in Central Europe and Russia. Mother Russia is looking rather good I must say.

    Can our side develop a special “Doxing” team to publish the personal information of where the worst Zio Neoconservative lying war mongers live, hang out, play golf.

    You can find some info on that in ‘social columns’ in papers like the WP, NYT, LA Times and in magazines like Vanity Fair, Town and Country, Esquire, GQ and etc..
    I did that once out of curiosity and found lots of stuff about their social haunts , homes, parties they were giving or attending , travel plans and so forth.

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  123. @JerseyJeffersonian
    Svigor,

    It would be really nice if it were possible to "put this tired, tattered old straw man to bed", but it is not likely to happen. The radical Zionists immediately use criticism of Israel to conflate criticism of Zionism with anti-Semitism. This is made far easier for them by the confusion around "Jewishness" that is deliberately (and conveniently, for their purposes) cultivated; is being a Jew a racial thing, a religious thing, a cultural thing regardless of the individual Jew's adherence to and practice of the tenets of Judaism? This ambiguity opens the door for claims that criticisms of the excesses of radical Zionism are at root leveled against all Jews regardless of their actual beliefs, political behaviors, and their self-perception regarding their roles in the life of the nation. Of course, true anti-Semites do in fact hold all Jews responsible for the actions of rabid Zionists, so everybody "wins".

    Except for real flesh and blood Jews, who are individuals with their own agency. My oldest friend is a Jew, I work with Jews, I make classical music with Jews. So I will never buy the blanket condemnation of Jews qua Jews. Do I wish that more American Jews would distance themselves from and be more critical of the "professional Jews" who are in leadership roles at radical Zionist organizations? Yes, but I have some sympathy for why this does not happen. As a historically disparaged minority, albeit with some reasons for that status, the reluctance is self-enforcing; there is a disincentive to talk smack on your "community" for fear of the ostracism, and reputational and career damage that might follow (there is no reasoning with one-issue fanatics, after all).

    Look at how blacks who lodge criticism of the behaviors of some in their community make out. Not too well, even when the criticisms are justified, and the ills perpetuated by these criticized behaviors work to the detriment not only of individual blacks, but also to the perception of blacks in general in the wider society.

    So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and excesses of some portion of that community. This seems to me to be intellectually and morally correct. Certainly it serves to help put the criticisms of NeoConservatism out there while yet insulating him to a degree from the blanket charges of anti-Semitism. And indeed, the NeoCons are not strictly radical Zionists, and some among them have other motivations behind their actions.

    ” There is a disincentive to talk “smack” on your own community”

    Well Jackie Mason doesnt’t worry too much about ostracism or career damage, being the staunch DT fan he is.
    This is a tremendously complex issue with push and pull in every direction.

    I can’t imagine America without George Gershwin or Hammerstein, or Kern, or Arlen (Over the rainbow) or the all of the other marvelous Jewish songwriters, America without “Oklahoma” or “South Pacific” or “Showboat”, would be much poorer.

    Then I can vividly recall the Hebrew family Doctor in my Detroit neighborhood as a kid, a wonderfully kind-hearted guy, who treated the poor goyim for free. He had been on the front lines in the war, and witnessed the most horrid visions one can humanly imagine, and came home as an enlightened being.

    Then there was the Jewish guy who took over the Shell station where I, as a teen, was running my butt off after school til midnight. He put his wife on the cash register, at that time wierd beyond belief, and when it came time for him to pay me my first week’s wages : Forty bucks, he handed me ten Dollars with a fuck you expression on his kisser, and of course I quit on the spot.

    Then there was my Army buddy in Germany, Marx, a millionaire’s son draftee, who proudly showed me his LA wedding photos, complete with Rabbi, Candelabra and Beenies. He waited three months for the first letter from his new wife , which turned out to be a “dear John”. We sat in a dingy bar, owner just happened to be a Jew, and he put a bottle of whisky on the table which we emptied. My friend, broken-hearted, never mentioned her again until his time was up.

    Then there was my Hebrew buddy Solomon, who fell in love with a German girl and wanted to bring her to the states as his bride. I can still see him standing in the door to my room reading the letter from his parents stating that if he married a german girl, this was 1960 and the war was still fresh on everyone’s mind, he did not have to come home.
    They found him and the girl, dead, in his new car in the woods close to the base, with a hose from the exaust pipe, and they parked the car in a warehouse on base, and there it sat until was discharged.

    Then there was my aging poker buddy Sol, who voted, to my incredible suprise and dismay , for BC, because he BC, had promised free prescription drugs to seniors.

    Anyway this is most definitely a complex subject, with unlimited pro and cons, and no actual resolutions or solutions to be found.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  124. The “Expert” Pat Lang (an “Expert“ according to Paul Mulshine and Lang’s Sycophantic Fans & Admirers), who was allegedly rejected by The Swamp yet still has so-called “Sources” in The Swamp that he thinks are credible, has weighed in on The Neocons and their designs on Trump. Obviously, The Truth is much more complex than Lang’s Reduction, but that aside, he neglected to mention something HUGE in his Analysis/Narrative. It’s not a coincidence there’s a substantial Glaring Gaping Hole.

    I agree with him that The Neocons are Scumbags, but this goes well beyond a faction labeled The Neocons. It’s a Diabolical Rabbit Hole that has no bottom and once you enter, extracting yourself quickly becomes your goal versus the reason you journeyed into The Rabbit Hole. The Truth, in its entirety at least, is that elusive, and I’ve yet to come across any Analysis or Narrative that Nails It and Lang’s Narrative is no exception.

    All The Light You Cannot See

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    Would you, "Cold N. Holefield," believe that Colonel Lang is a real expert? -- He is, and this is why he has been hated by the ziocons.
    What is your expertise, by the way? -- Deconstruction/reconstruction of The Truth? Thank you very much. The Middle Eastern tragedy needs specialists in the Arab culture. Do you have the expertise? For example, the former Secretary of Defense for Policy Mr. Feith did not like that Colonel Lang "was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years" and that Lang was "the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point." Is this kind of expertise too much for your "truths?"
    You are seemingly cannot help yourself but to imply your superiority. You are funny.
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  125. gwynedd1 says:
    @Wally
    But who are the "Neo-Cons"?
    Who is their loyalty to?

    www.codoh.com

    Some are no doubt loyal to the US. Heirloom tomatoes don’t know who they are. The grower does. All one needs to do is put them there and have them do what they do. The beneficiaries are the weapons industry, Zionists , and carpet baggers. They tend the neocon gardens.

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  126. gwynedd1 says:
    @iffen
    Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.

    What’s so complicated about it? Its fundamentally an ideology that suggests Jews belong in Israel. The implications might be complex for some people. Varies forces involving the different aspects exist . For some reason some people just can’t believe that some Zionists love bad things to happen to Jews in diaspora because it meets those ends. Most people however are not surprised that Jews will attack and defend themselves to that end in Israel.

    all it takes is a billionaire or a multimillionaire to add dynamics to “Zionism”, like Sheldon Anderson for example. All I know is there is a lot of pathology related to it. Its an old , Levantine , Semitic religion with lots of disposable wealth behind it. It would be a miracle for such a thing to be remotely wholesome. It make a Gothic period Byzantine court look like an actual square deal Sam.

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  127. Anonymous[431] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patrick Lang
    Ah, you want me to propagandize for your preferred positions. You want me to scream every day that the JEWS did it. You are supposed to be able to read between the lines and understan the truth of things. You are more of sa simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog.

    Wow! Quite an overreaction to what can be only described as mild, respectful criticism. Maybe you should stay in your own safe-space where no one can russtle your jimmies twice, Patrick. The Net is already full of cowards like you who can’t face their own shortcomings without lashing out with displaced anger.

    May I suggest a Zuckenberg page? No “dislike” button available by design.

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    "The Net is already full of cowards," wrote Anonymous[431].
    You don't have the courage to reveal your real name, Anonymous[431], and yet you, Anonymous[431], attack a person that has demonstrated his valor on multiple occasions.
    It is not impossible that you are a hasbarist spilling your irritation towards Colonel Lang and his blog that has been exposing the zocons'/Israel's nefarious designs.
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  128. RobinG says:

    Does DONALD TRUMP Have “CABBAGE For BRAINS?”

    Ron Paul Liberty Report

    Former UK Ambassador Reveals Truth About Syria – With Special Guest Peter Ford

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  129. Svigor says:

    Are you an aged eccentric like me, a professor or a shut in with nothing better to do than be nasty mere?

    Cogent!

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  130. Svigor says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Holy shit Svigor, you're not arguing against Lot here. Put your monomania to rest. Jews under the bed is just as annoying as Nazis under the bed.

    I’m not arguing against anyone here. I’m arguing against an argument. It gets old, hearing it. Way past old.

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  131. Svigor says:
    @Thirdeye

    In context that’s exactly what they are; the regime would like to do the exact same thing to SW Asia, but it won’t work, because Japanese and Germans aren’t Arabs
     
    It may be that the cases of Germany and Japan - highly ordered, cohesive, rules-based societies - are among the rare exceptions to the rule on unintended consequences of regime change. And in both cases regime change followed catastrophic military defeats with multiple millions of deaths and was followed by massive infusions of aid.

    Even Germany isn't such a great case for successful regime change when you look at the results of their 1918 defeat: years of political instability under a weak government until the rise of the Nazis.

    Japan retained their Emperor, which lent authority to their new government.

    Lastly, any regime change effort in a society with the historical memory of colonial domination is carrying some serious baggage.

    Agreed.

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  132. Svigor says:

    Are these categories meant to be mutually exclusive? Because that might put some of us in a bit of a spot

    I was going to ask the same thing, but then I remembered that I read up on the use of and/or recently: “or” means “and/or,” basically.

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  133. Lang’s 2004 article “Drinking the Kool-Aid” gives an inside view on how professional Mid-East analysts were shoved aside in favor of ideologues.
    A much lengthier analysis, which includes the broader political perspective, is the 2008 book:
    The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel by Stephen J. Sniegoski
    which was reviewed right here at unz.com by Paul Gottfried:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-transparent-cabal/

    (although a Google search on “the transparent cabal paul gottfried” (but without the quotation marks) does not find that URL on its first three pages of results, which I find surprising — is Google suppressing references to unz.com?)
    and by one of Col. Lang’s acquaintances, Karen Kwiatkowski, here:

    http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_14_03_08_kwiatkowski.pdf

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    A much lengthier analysis, which includes the broader political perspective, is the 2008 book:
    The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel by Stephen J. Sniegoski
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Transparent-Cabal-Neoconservative-National-Interest/dp/1932528172/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1524260066&sr=1-1&keywords=transparent+cabal%2C+sniegoski

    I read this in 2010 and was very impressed. It starts with a 1996 paper entitled "A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" published by an Israeli think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies.

    The principal idea was to foment war in the Middle East and consequently destabilize Israel's enemies. The policy was adopted by the Israeli pro-settler right wing and Jewish activists in and around the Clinton and Bush administrations such as Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser (who all helped produce the original document).

    They identified as targets Iraq, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia (yes, Saudi Arabia) and were handed a golden opportunity after the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centre. Iraq was falsely presented as an Al Qaeda base and the media planted with stories about an imminent attack on the United States using WMD.

    Despite the CIA knowing all along that the WMD didn't exist, the US still invaded Iraq and the story was quietly and unbelievably changed to "Building Democracy".

    Highly recommended.
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  134. Over at Lang’s blog concering comments here:

    “As for the seizure of resources notion, show me where”

    You could start here:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/30/usaid-in-central-africa/

    And then, Lang says:

    “The American Indian? What? … The land itself? Yes we took that from the Indian and I am unapologetic about that. It was them or us”

    Well, it’s been a bit more than that, you could have a look at Manifest Destiny 2.0…

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/05/26/counterfeit-coin/

    …giving particular attention to the speech of Smedley Butler:

    For those who prefer the satire:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/24/essay-on-native-american-humor/

    ^

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  135. @anonymous

    Muslim faith precludes such a system
     
    The "greatest" democracy in the world elected a pathetic loser degenerate called Trump... who is not really in charge, anyway.

    The biggest democracy in the world gave power to an evil hindu-nationalist mass murdering degenerate, who couldn't even bring himself to condemn the rape\torture\murder of an 8yr old... simply because she was from a minority community, and the rapists where of his ilk.

    Democracy is too highly overrated.

    The \re are plenty of reasons to criticize Pres trump. I did before the campaign , during the campaign and i do so now. But of all the candidates his policies most fit with my own on policy.

    On the issues or integrity, consistency, faith, what constitutes a moral lifestyle — It was clear we had differences. But I voted on the policies on which we agreed. There was no question that he was a situational leadership — and that meant taking some risks. I prefer a style that is as straight forward as possible, one that doesn’t require 9 level deep chess — a game both sides are playing and which is turning the US into 19th Century Europe land of personal intrigue — a mess for the republic. A land in which the country becomes solely the playground of the elites and the rest of play along as though their game is ours.

    President Trump has not made this arena. But his presence has exposed the world of politics and finance for the naked self serving bastion that it is. The republic is not dead, but it is in danger. I am not even sure that the elites are intentionally threatening its existence. But the distance between their realities and the rest of us are increasingly becoming so vast, that neither they or I know the difference. Eventually, neither government spending nor mega companies tossing employment to the general public will be not be enough to assuage the angst. And while he may be playing ball — what exists, this environment may reflect a Mr. Trump, but it is not of his making. What I did not expect was that he would be as weak as he appears to be. I hope I am wrong, but thus far inspite of Damocles’s sword he does not appear to be as strong or as straight forward as i had hoped.

    No, the Muslim faith doesn’t preclude, prevent or suppress such a system. It’s the result of human machinations and if history tells us anything it’s the Muslim’s are loaded with intrigue, lies, backstabbing, murder, political and personal ambitions, as well as religious agendas many of which were and in conflict with each other. The battles in Muslim, between Sunnis and Shia, and variations of the faith that have and continue bloody the deserts, and waters in the Middle East existed long before colonialism and will continue to foster themselves in the same.

    Democracy is highly over rated as a guaranteed solution — and it certainly is not a solution for every society

    But neither democracy nor Islam are derived from perfect beings . . . but I love my country with all its ills. And while, it is full of liars, and systems that are full of errs and has it in it people who will engage in all manner of filth to destroy the lives of others on the whims of their own cowardice. I have only one answer – have and operate with integrity regardless of what everyone does.

    Integrity matters and that is a walk no one can for me save Christ. Integrity matters so Christ before Mohammed any day of the week, month or year. And if integrity means poverty then so be it. If integrity means singleness so be it. If integrity means not jumping on the Israeli band wagon that contradicts Christ —

    so be it.

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  136. Miro23 says:
    @Keith Harbaugh
    Lang's 2004 article “Drinking the Kool-Aid” gives an inside view on how professional Mid-East analysts were shoved aside in favor of ideologues.
    A much lengthier analysis, which includes the broader political perspective, is the 2008 book:
    The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel by Stephen J. Sniegoski
    which was reviewed right here at unz.com by Paul Gottfried:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-transparent-cabal/
    (although a Google search on "the transparent cabal paul gottfried" (but without the quotation marks) does not find that URL on its first three pages of results, which I find surprising -- is Google suppressing references to unz.com?)
    and by one of Col. Lang's acquaintances, Karen Kwiatkowski, here:
    http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_14_03_08_kwiatkowski.pdf

    A much lengthier analysis, which includes the broader political perspective, is the 2008 book:
    The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel by Stephen J. Sniegoski

    https://www.amazon.com/Transparent-Cabal-Neoconservative-National-Interest/dp/1932528172/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1524260066&sr=1-1&keywords=transparent+cabal%2C+sniegoski

    I read this in 2010 and was very impressed. It starts with a 1996 paper entitled “A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” published by an Israeli think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies.

    The principal idea was to foment war in the Middle East and consequently destabilize Israel’s enemies. The policy was adopted by the Israeli pro-settler right wing and Jewish activists in and around the Clinton and Bush administrations such as Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser (who all helped produce the original document).

    They identified as targets Iraq, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia (yes, Saudi Arabia) and were handed a golden opportunity after the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centre. Iraq was falsely presented as an Al Qaeda base and the media planted with stories about an imminent attack on the United States using WMD.

    Despite the CIA knowing all along that the WMD didn’t exist, the US still invaded Iraq and the story was quietly and unbelievably changed to “Building Democracy”.

    Highly recommended.

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  137. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:

    we are all very, very impressed with your righteousness and with the superior holiness of bombs-aweigh Christianity vs hateful Islam, oh thou elitist of Elite commies.

    so be it
    amen
    and
    chutzpah über alles.

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    What silliness.


    Nothing in my comments suggests any hatred of Islam or Muslims. Nor has any comment I have ever made suggested that the adventured since the 9/11 have served the US interests. And my opposition has been costly in more ways than you can possibly imagine.


    I have plenty of flaws that would undermine any righteousness above anyone.


    That is not the point of my comments.


    The comm in the handle is not an abbreviation for some political ideology.
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  138. annamaria says:
    @Heros
    "You are more of a simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog."

    Typical Pat Lang, not satisfied with his wishy washy bulling and banning behavior on his own blog, he carries it over to Unz.

    The real reason Lang cannot seem to be able to connect the dots and acknowledge the corrosive and even genocidal effects of this racial supremacist religion cum race is the same reason none of his ilk will even bother to take a deep look at 9/11. It is called culpability.

    For if the Neocons or Zionists, most of us don't care to make a distinction because they are serving the same masters, are guilty of half of the crimes that Lang openly admits, then Lang is as guilty as any "Nazi" hung after Nuremburg.

    So like the vast majority of Americans, his logic and thinking are befuddled with cognitive dissonance. He can accept contradictions like Good War and Hiroshima. Or ignore and cover up US actions in Vietnam because it was the most important event in his and his war-buddies lifes.

    The important question, is why is he allowed by ZOG to make the truth about Israel posts that he does. The answer is that he always toes their red line. He calls our owners the "BORG" instead of calling them "ZOG". He always stays away from evidence about how Zionists planned WWII through things like embargo's, ethnic cleansing of Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia, or that the Zionists had been preparing the "Holocaust" for decades.

    In short, his blog, and this post, are limited hangouts. Sure, he has some interesting insights and inside information. So does Ben Shapiro or Jason Goodman, but you will never find a path to the truth by reading their drivel.

    Your post is slanderous. Learn first about Colonel Lang’ relationships with the US neo- and ziocons.
    If you do not like his blog, nobody forces you to visit it.
    You pretend to be equal to Colonel Lang. Who are you, “Heros?” Share with us your biography so that we all could assess your courage and expertise.

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    I can say with certainty that I am not a war criminal or his pet chihuahua bitch.

    From Lang's Wiki:

    "During the Vietnam War, he served in the Special Forces and Military Intelligence."

    So he clearly volunteered to serve the ZOG USA in their SS and Gestapo equivalents during numerous aggressive wars started by the US on behalf of the same Neocon's he claims to despise. We know Tonkin was a false flag. We know about operation Phoenix, Pentagon papers, secret bombing of Laos and Cambodia, Agent Orange. Lang carries culpability for all of it, at least in terms of the principles of Nuremburg. He should be treated the same way his beloved army treated captured SS officers in May, 1945.

    "From 1992 to 1994, all the U.S. military attachés worldwide reported to him. During that period, he also briefed President George H. W. Bush at the White House, as he had during Operation Desert Storm"

    He actively participated in the birth of Eretz Israel and the destruction of Christianity and genocide of Christians across the Middle East. Wow, this war criminal is one tough act to follow. I think we should all thank him for his service and for protecting "our freedom".

    As far as his blog goes, I gave up commenting there long ago because of his fickle and mean spirited moderating. Any time he starts losing an argument he gets nasty or blocks the commenter. His treatment of Bernhard from MoA over the years, who he often bullies and accuses of being an America hater, has been despicable.

    Lang is clearly not a defender of free speech.

    So what does he stand for? He writes books about Yankees, that is what I think he is. Just another Yankee war criminal willing to murder for his jewish owners.

    BTW, Heros is short for Heros von Borcke. You should read up about him because von Borke, unlike Lang, was an honorable gentleman.

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  139. The term “neoconservative” is used as a euphemism for “jews”, according to Jonah Goldberg. In 2003, that’s what Goldberg wrote, and though the link I found for his article at NR is long dead, Justin Raimondo’s column from that year stated:

    “Under attack, and on the defensive, the neocons are now claiming that to even use the term “neoconservative” is to commit an anti-Semitic act. As Jonah Goldberg puts it:
    ‘People who want to denounce the influence of Jews get to use the word ‘neocon’ when they really mean ‘Jewish conservatives’ without being held accountable.’ ”

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j032203.html

    So, anyway…..some people use the word ‘neocon’ as a code word for ‘evil jew’ (not “jewish conservative”). Though some neocons aren’t jews, enough are that using the word as a synonym works out well enough.

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    The term “neoconservative” is used as a euphemism for “jews”, according to Jonah Goldberg.
     
    He should know since Jew are the ones who invented the word and use the word to hide who they really are and why they take the positions they do.
    , @iffen
    The term “neoconservative” is used as a euphemism for “jews”, according to Jonah Goldberg.

    My God, you found a Jew who said (wrote) blah, blah. Discussion over, no more comments. No need for anyone else to think, read or write.
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  140. annamaria says:
    @Cold N. Holefield
    The “Expert” Pat Lang (an “Expert“ according to Paul Mulshine and Lang’s Sycophantic Fans & Admirers), who was allegedly rejected by The Swamp yet still has so-called “Sources” in The Swamp that he thinks are credible, has weighed in on The Neocons and their designs on Trump. Obviously, The Truth is much more complex than Lang’s Reduction, but that aside, he neglected to mention something HUGE in his Analysis/Narrative. It’s not a coincidence there’s a substantial Glaring Gaping Hole.

    I agree with him that The Neocons are Scumbags, but this goes well beyond a faction labeled The Neocons. It’s a Diabolical Rabbit Hole that has no bottom and once you enter, extracting yourself quickly becomes your goal versus the reason you journeyed into The Rabbit Hole. The Truth, in its entirety at least, is that elusive, and I’ve yet to come across any Analysis or Narrative that Nails It and Lang’s Narrative is no exception.

    All The Light You Cannot See

    Would you, “Cold N. Holefield,” believe that Colonel Lang is a real expert? — He is, and this is why he has been hated by the ziocons.
    What is your expertise, by the way? — Deconstruction/reconstruction of The Truth? Thank you very much. The Middle Eastern tragedy needs specialists in the Arab culture. Do you have the expertise? For example, the former Secretary of Defense for Policy Mr. Feith did not like that Colonel Lang “was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years” and that Lang was “the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point.” Is this kind of expertise too much for your “truths?”
    You are seemingly cannot help yourself but to imply your superiority. You are funny.

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    Most informed people here know Col. Lang’s impressive background. There was a time when he was a regular guest on CNN and PBS discussing geopolitical and military issues. I recall decades ago when Lang was lauded on CNN as being one of the very few in the intelligence community to accurately predict Saddam would invade Kuwait. Apparently Lang’s refusal to sell out to the neocons led to him disappearing from media. Sad. But glad he is posting stuff on Unz which is now probably more influential (given the people who secretly read it) than all the networks combined.
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  141. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous
    Wow! Quite an overreaction to what can be only described as mild, respectful criticism. Maybe you should stay in your own safe-space where no one can russtle your jimmies twice, Patrick. The Net is already full of cowards like you who can't face their own shortcomings without lashing out with displaced anger.

    May I suggest a Zuckenberg page? No "dislike" button available by design.

    “The Net is already full of cowards,” wrote Anonymous[431].
    You don’t have the courage to reveal your real name, Anonymous[431], and yet you, Anonymous[431], attack a person that has demonstrated his valor on multiple occasions.
    It is not impossible that you are a hasbarist spilling your irritation towards Colonel Lang and his blog that has been exposing the zocons’/Israel’s nefarious designs.

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  142. Pancho says:

    The author of this article misses an important point. Most neocons are also members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), an organization controlled by oil magnates, Wall Street bankers and CEOs of transnational corporations that has been for close to a century advocating the elimination of the US borders, the cancellation of the Constitution and the fusion of all nations into a global government they euphemistically call the New World Order. Moreover, most key CFR members believe that the world is overpopulated and that it is necessary to kill no less than 85 percent of the current population in this planet. Obviously, the easiest way to reach their depopulation goal is by starting an all out nuclear war — which explain why some of them have been frantically buying land and digging nuclear shelters in the Patagonia..

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  143. @anon
    we are all very, very impressed with your righteousness and with the superior holiness of bombs-aweigh Christianity vs hateful Islam, oh thou elitist of Elite commies.

    so be it
    amen
    and
    chutzpah über alles.

    What silliness.

    Nothing in my comments suggests any hatred of Islam or Muslims. Nor has any comment I have ever made suggested that the adventured since the 9/11 have served the US interests. And my opposition has been costly in more ways than you can possibly imagine.

    I have plenty of flaws that would undermine any righteousness above anyone.

    That is not the point of my comments.

    The comm in the handle is not an abbreviation for some political ideology.

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  144. @annamaria
    Would you, "Cold N. Holefield," believe that Colonel Lang is a real expert? -- He is, and this is why he has been hated by the ziocons.
    What is your expertise, by the way? -- Deconstruction/reconstruction of The Truth? Thank you very much. The Middle Eastern tragedy needs specialists in the Arab culture. Do you have the expertise? For example, the former Secretary of Defense for Policy Mr. Feith did not like that Colonel Lang "was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years" and that Lang was "the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point." Is this kind of expertise too much for your "truths?"
    You are seemingly cannot help yourself but to imply your superiority. You are funny.

    Most informed people here know Col. Lang’s impressive background. There was a time when he was a regular guest on CNN and PBS discussing geopolitical and military issues. I recall decades ago when Lang was lauded on CNN as being one of the very few in the intelligence community to accurately predict Saddam would invade Kuwait. Apparently Lang’s refusal to sell out to the neocons led to him disappearing from media. Sad. But glad he is posting stuff on Unz which is now probably more influential (given the people who secretly read it) than all the networks combined.

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  145. Heros says:
    @annamaria
    Your post is slanderous. Learn first about Colonel Lang' relationships with the US neo- and ziocons.
    If you do not like his blog, nobody forces you to visit it.
    You pretend to be equal to Colonel Lang. Who are you, "Heros?" Share with us your biography so that we all could assess your courage and expertise.

    I can say with certainty that I am not a war criminal or his pet chihuahua bitch.

    From Lang’s Wiki:

    “During the Vietnam War, he served in the Special Forces and Military Intelligence.”

    So he clearly volunteered to serve the ZOG USA in their SS and Gestapo equivalents during numerous aggressive wars started by the US on behalf of the same Neocon’s he claims to despise. We know Tonkin was a false flag. We know about operation Phoenix, Pentagon papers, secret bombing of Laos and Cambodia, Agent Orange. Lang carries culpability for all of it, at least in terms of the principles of Nuremburg. He should be treated the same way his beloved army treated captured SS officers in May, 1945.

    “From 1992 to 1994, all the U.S. military attachés worldwide reported to him. During that period, he also briefed President George H. W. Bush at the White House, as he had during Operation Desert Storm”

    He actively participated in the birth of Eretz Israel and the destruction of Christianity and genocide of Christians across the Middle East. Wow, this war criminal is one tough act to follow. I think we should all thank him for his service and for protecting “our freedom”.

    As far as his blog goes, I gave up commenting there long ago because of his fickle and mean spirited moderating. Any time he starts losing an argument he gets nasty or blocks the commenter. His treatment of Bernhard from MoA over the years, who he often bullies and accuses of being an America hater, has been despicable.

    Lang is clearly not a defender of free speech.

    So what does he stand for? He writes books about Yankees, that is what I think he is. Just another Yankee war criminal willing to murder for his jewish owners.

    BTW, Heros is short for Heros von Borcke. You should read up about him because von Borke, unlike Lang, was an honorable gentleman.

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    And how honorable are you by hiding behind the name of von Borcke? Are you a perfect being?
    Patrick Lang does not need your approval or disapproval. He is above it.
    When you write, "He actively participated in the birth of Eretz Israel and the destruction of Christianity," this is not even laughable -- this is a mechanical slander by an ignoramus. Do you know when Israel was established? Do you know Lang's age?
    He is a real person. He grew up and matured in various respects, including his understanding of American reality. You are not in a position to criticize his integrity and expertise and guts: Remember, you are hiding behind the von Borcke's name.
    Again, are you an angelic being? Do you have the same hatred for Smedley Darlington Butler, the most decorated American general in the US history? Butler "participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean..." -- Read about him, "Heron." Butler was a person of tremendous courage, a true American patriot.
    It would not be surprising to learn that you work for hasbara which cannot forgive Lang's opposition -- the intelligent and articulated opposition, not some hysterical exclamations -- to wars for Israel and to zionizaton of the US army and Congress.
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  146. annamaria says:
    @Heros
    I can say with certainty that I am not a war criminal or his pet chihuahua bitch.

    From Lang's Wiki:

    "During the Vietnam War, he served in the Special Forces and Military Intelligence."

    So he clearly volunteered to serve the ZOG USA in their SS and Gestapo equivalents during numerous aggressive wars started by the US on behalf of the same Neocon's he claims to despise. We know Tonkin was a false flag. We know about operation Phoenix, Pentagon papers, secret bombing of Laos and Cambodia, Agent Orange. Lang carries culpability for all of it, at least in terms of the principles of Nuremburg. He should be treated the same way his beloved army treated captured SS officers in May, 1945.

    "From 1992 to 1994, all the U.S. military attachés worldwide reported to him. During that period, he also briefed President George H. W. Bush at the White House, as he had during Operation Desert Storm"

    He actively participated in the birth of Eretz Israel and the destruction of Christianity and genocide of Christians across the Middle East. Wow, this war criminal is one tough act to follow. I think we should all thank him for his service and for protecting "our freedom".

    As far as his blog goes, I gave up commenting there long ago because of his fickle and mean spirited moderating. Any time he starts losing an argument he gets nasty or blocks the commenter. His treatment of Bernhard from MoA over the years, who he often bullies and accuses of being an America hater, has been despicable.

    Lang is clearly not a defender of free speech.

    So what does he stand for? He writes books about Yankees, that is what I think he is. Just another Yankee war criminal willing to murder for his jewish owners.

    BTW, Heros is short for Heros von Borcke. You should read up about him because von Borke, unlike Lang, was an honorable gentleman.

    And how honorable are you by hiding behind the name of von Borcke? Are you a perfect being?
    Patrick Lang does not need your approval or disapproval. He is above it.
    When you write, “He actively participated in the birth of Eretz Israel and the destruction of Christianity,” this is not even laughable — this is a mechanical slander by an ignoramus. Do you know when Israel was established? Do you know Lang’s age?
    He is a real person. He grew up and matured in various respects, including his understanding of American reality. You are not in a position to criticize his integrity and expertise and guts: Remember, you are hiding behind the von Borcke’s name.
    Again, are you an angelic being? Do you have the same hatred for Smedley Darlington Butler, the most decorated American general in the US history? Butler “participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean…” — Read about him, “Heron.” Butler was a person of tremendous courage, a true American patriot.
    It would not be surprising to learn that you work for hasbara which cannot forgive Lang’s opposition — the intelligent and articulated opposition, not some hysterical exclamations — to wars for Israel and to zionizaton of the US army and Congress.

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    On Sic Semper Tyrannis, the Colonel has had unkind words to say about General Butler's intellect.
    , @RobinG
    Everyone has their shortcomings. I'm not a follower of Lang's blog, but I hear (from S2C, iirc), that Lang has disparaged Larry Wilkerson for having aided fraudulent war. Pretty hypocritical then, given Lang's own history.

    Now alleged that Lang has accused b. of MoA as anti-American. (((Is that the new anti-Semitism?))) If true, that's pretty pathetic. There are plenty of Lang fans here, but they should admit his blindside.
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  147. annamaria says:

    The anti-American activity by American Enterprise Institute: “Two and a half cheers for the Syria strike:” https://www.aei.org/publication/two-and-a-half-cheers-for-the-syria-strike/
    The author, certain Dalibor Rohac, is an armchair general (zero military experience), who strives for Kagans’ laurels. He needs to be sent to the frontline — please, with his family, to learn about risks of a war. The scoundrel writes, “Of course, the intervention is not without its risks. One blemish is the existing divisions among European countries and even within the EU institutions.” — yes, this is what constitutes “risk” for the criminal warmonger.
    Dalibor Rohac knows who pays for his drivel and he tries hard to not disappoint his ziocon masters: “Another even more pressing problem is that the strikes on Friday do not go anywhere near changing the balance of power on the ground — and much less toward imposing sizable costs on the Iranian and Russian regimes who are effectively controlling the situation. Without a more aggressive posture particularly against Russia — involving additional sanctions against regime officials and oligarchs, asset freezes, and cutting Russian state-owned and state-connected banks from the global financial system — Vladimir Putin has little reason to seriously rethink his complicity in Mr. Assad’s war crimes.”
    He is an open liar — there is nothing “alleged” in his lying in our times of availability of factual information, specifically the US/UK complicity in the crimes of White Helmets in Syria.
    The presstituting Dalibor Rohac must be put in a position to experience the results of imposing the sizable costs on and more aggressive posture particularly against Russia. Rohac is an arsonist that needs to be constrained — tarred and feathered would be a good first step.
    Americans do not need this war. Israel does.

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    Americans do not need this war. Israel does.
     
    Fair enough, but tell me then, what War DOES America need? You leave the door open for more War. It appears Lang's Philosophy is to avoid War with China and/or Russia because War with either would quickly turn Nuclear. I agree with him, it would, therefore it should be a No Go.

    Considering that, since China & Russia are the only Legitimate Foes who can stand up to the American War Machine, any other War would be Pure Unadulterated Bullying. Beating up on Weak Opponents. War for War's Sake knowing you can never really lose and yet you never really win.

    We see from this that War is now an Arcane Notion. It no longer has any place. Nukes have rendered Real War irrelevant and impossible.

    And yet, Donald Trump recently increased America's War Budget to $716 billion and is reconfiguring America's Nuclear Arsenal so that the possibility of using Nukes in Combat becomes more probable. Trump's American War Budget, if he's still in office and gets a second term, which is dubious, will approach $1 trillion by 2020 to 2021.

    How do we as a Nation justify this if we claim we're not a Nation that craves and thrives on War?

    I propose we reduce our Military/War Footprint 80% over the next ten years. I propose that the American Military be entirely reconfigured from top to bottom and that its sole and only purpose is to protect The Homeland from attack. In otherwords, I propose closing all American Military Bases around The World and putting an end, once and for all, to American Imperialism and Foreign Interventionism.

    What say you annamaria? What say you Lang? Are you with me, or are you still in search of a Non-Zionist Inspired Real War which we now know is impossible. The only Real War that's possible now is a Nuclear War, or Armageddon if you will.
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  148. You can agree or not agree with with my postulations, but my expertise is irrelevant. The material I present is what is relevant. Weigh it on its merits, instead of weighing me on my merits. I’m just the Message In A Bottle.

    Stalin had no experience or expertise in War and yet he’s largely responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII. Using your logic, we can conclude Stalin, because he had no expertise in War and because he had murdered and exiled most everyone in Russia who did, should have lost the War. The Nazis were at Moscow’s Doorstep and Stalin was all set to flee the Russian Capital to a Spider Hole in the Countryside when at the last minute, or second actually, he decided to remain and tough it out. He had NO EXPERTISE. But he did have Gut Instinct, Organic Street Smarts and incredible Resolve. Just ask Putin, he’ll tell you. Stalin truly was The Man of Steel, yet he was an expert at NOTHING. Thank goodness The Soviet Union wasn’t inundated with your vaunted Experts or else Stalin would have been instructed to flee to the Countryside with his tail between his legs and we’d all be speaking and typing German right now and The Jews would have been eliminated entirely. In that respect, The Jews should worship Stalin more than they do Oscar Schindler. In the end, it was Stalin who saved their asses, not the recalcitrant FDR who had to be brought kicking & screaming into War against Germany.

    Anyway, Lang completely overlooks Vietnam in his Narrative. How are The NeoCons and/or The Zionists responsible for Vietnam? For Korea? For Afghanistan? What about Libya? Was that The Zionists‘ idea too? I agree that AIPAC should be outlawed as all Special Interests and all Lobbying should be outlawed, but The Zionists cannot be blamed for everything just as The NeoCons cannot and I agree with the other Commentators who say that NeoCon for many is shorthand for Zionist.

    Lang can’t point fingers at The Neocons and use the examples throughout American History he’s provided and not also point the finger at himself for his emphatic involvement in Vietnam unless he’s willing to seek Redemption for his Crimes Against Humanity and properly atone as Smedley Butler did and call War out for what it really is, a Racket and a Blood Sacrifice to Moloch because sometimes that’s the only explanation of War that fits.

    There’s a hell of a lot of History he skipped between the Spanish-American War in 1898 and the War referred to euphemistically as Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003. Like, say, The Vietnam War. It’s History, isn’t it? It was about Manifest Destiny, wasn’t it? It was Imperialism, wasn’t it? Oh wait, sorry, The Vietnam War was allegedly about The Truman Doctrine, wasn’t it? Silly me. There is a difference, you know. Semantics mean everything, at least when you’re Splitting Hairs. What they both have in common, Manifest Destiny and The Truman Doctrine, is that they are both Imperialism. The Truman Doctrine feigned to be saving Indigenous Cultures from Communist Cultural Decimation but what it really was doing was saving Indigenous Cultures from Communist Cultural Decimation so that said Indigenous Cultures could ultimately be transformed into Capitalist Cultural Enclaves replete with Capitalist Consumer Culture. Nuance matters, even if the Goal is still the same.

    Of course, in America’s effort to pick up where the Colonial French left off and preserve French Culture in Vietnam with an American Twist, 3 to 5 million Vietnamese were senselessly murdered. Had America minded its own business and kept to itself, those millions of Vietnamese who were senselessly murdered would have lived a full life and another 10 million or so would never have been injured and traumatized. Pat Lang did some of that murdering, injuring & traumatizing. The extent of what he did we’ll never know, but considering he was Special Ops, it’s a Good Bet it was Merciless & Gruesome. In otherwords, Atrocious.

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    Could you stay on point? -- We have got that you are a Spotless Angelic Creature and a Messenger of The Truth.
    , @Miro23

    The Nazis were at Moscow’s Doorstep and Stalin was all set to flee the Russian Capital to a Spider Hole in the Countryside when at the last minute, or second actually, he decided to remain and tough it out.
     
    No he didn't - he had a nervous breakdown.

    Either way, after three days, a small delegation came knocking at his door. Headed by Molotov (pictured to Stalin’s right), Lavrentii Beria(Stalin’s Chief of Secret Police), Kliment Voroshilov (Defence, to Stalin’s left) and Anastas Mikoyan (Foreign Trade), they found Stalin sitting at his desk. He had on his face a look of fear. Mikoyan later wrote, “I have no doubt – he decided we had come to arrest him.” Stalin was looking thinner, haggard and hadn’t changed his clothes.

    “Why have you come?” he asked.

    Molotov stepped forward, “We’re asking you to return to work.”
     
    http://www.historyinanhour.com/2011/07/01/stalins-breakdown/
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  149. bjondo says:
    @Twodees Partain
    The term "neoconservative" is used as a euphemism for "jews", according to Jonah Goldberg. In 2003, that's what Goldberg wrote, and though the link I found for his article at NR is long dead, Justin Raimondo's column from that year stated:

    "Under attack, and on the defensive, the neocons are now claiming that to even use the term "neoconservative" is to commit an anti-Semitic act. As Jonah Goldberg puts it:
    'People who want to denounce the influence of Jews get to use the word 'neocon' when they really mean 'Jewish conservatives' without being held accountable.' "

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j032203.html

    So, anyway.....some people use the word 'neocon' as a code word for 'evil jew' (not "jewish conservative"). Though some neocons aren't jews, enough are that using the word as a synonym works out well enough.

    The term “neoconservative” is used as a euphemism for “jews”, according to Jonah Goldberg.

    He should know since Jew are the ones who invented the word and use the word to hide who they really are and why they take the positions they do.

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  150. @annamaria
    The anti-American activity by American Enterprise Institute: "Two and a half cheers for the Syria strike:" https://www.aei.org/publication/two-and-a-half-cheers-for-the-syria-strike/
    The author, certain Dalibor Rohac, is an armchair general (zero military experience), who strives for Kagans' laurels. He needs to be sent to the frontline -- please, with his family, to learn about risks of a war. The scoundrel writes, "Of course, the intervention is not without its risks. One blemish is the existing divisions among European countries and even within the EU institutions." -- yes, this is what constitutes "risk" for the criminal warmonger.
    Dalibor Rohac knows who pays for his drivel and he tries hard to not disappoint his ziocon masters: "Another even more pressing problem is that the strikes on Friday do not go anywhere near changing the balance of power on the ground — and much less toward imposing sizable costs on the Iranian and Russian regimes who are effectively controlling the situation. Without a more aggressive posture particularly against Russia — involving additional sanctions against regime officials and oligarchs, asset freezes, and cutting Russian state-owned and state-connected banks from the global financial system — Vladimir Putin has little reason to seriously rethink his complicity in Mr. Assad’s war crimes."
    He is an open liar -- there is nothing "alleged" in his lying in our times of availability of factual information, specifically the US/UK complicity in the crimes of White Helmets in Syria.
    The presstituting Dalibor Rohac must be put in a position to experience the results of imposing the sizable costs on and more aggressive posture particularly against Russia. Rohac is an arsonist that needs to be constrained -- tarred and feathered would be a good first step.
    Americans do not need this war. Israel does.

    Americans do not need this war. Israel does.

    Fair enough, but tell me then, what War DOES America need? You leave the door open for more War. It appears Lang’s Philosophy is to avoid War with China and/or Russia because War with either would quickly turn Nuclear. I agree with him, it would, therefore it should be a No Go.

    Considering that, since China & Russia are the only Legitimate Foes who can stand up to the American War Machine, any other War would be Pure Unadulterated Bullying. Beating up on Weak Opponents. War for War’s Sake knowing you can never really lose and yet you never really win.

    We see from this that War is now an Arcane Notion. It no longer has any place. Nukes have rendered Real War irrelevant and impossible.

    And yet, Donald Trump recently increased America’s War Budget to $716 billion and is reconfiguring America’s Nuclear Arsenal so that the possibility of using Nukes in Combat becomes more probable. Trump’s American War Budget, if he’s still in office and gets a second term, which is dubious, will approach $1 trillion by 2020 to 2021.

    How do we as a Nation justify this if we claim we’re not a Nation that craves and thrives on War?

    I propose we reduce our Military/War Footprint 80% over the next ten years. I propose that the American Military be entirely reconfigured from top to bottom and that its sole and only purpose is to protect The Homeland from attack. In otherwords, I propose closing all American Military Bases around The World and putting an end, once and for all, to American Imperialism and Foreign Interventionism.

    What say you annamaria? What say you Lang? Are you with me, or are you still in search of a Non-Zionist Inspired Real War which we now know is impossible. The only Real War that’s possible now is a Nuclear War, or Armageddon if you will.

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    I would be all for reducing interventions and the posts designed for that purpose. But not all military aide is for military purposes. The US has one of the largest humanitarian aide programs in the world -- and some of that is military.


    Reducing unnecessary force and improving our footprint is not objectionable on point -- but before agreeing to any such proposals -- one would need specific about what 80% means and looks like.
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  151. Z-man says:
    @annamaria
    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.
    Theresa & Boris' subordination to the ziocon "dealers:" http://thesaker.is/each-click-brings-us-one-step-closer-to-the-bang/
    "Have the Skripal and Douma false flag chemical (pseudo-) attacks been sufficient to re-subordinate the post-Brexit EU to the Anglosphere and have the AngloZionists been successful in forging a united front for a “Crusade against Russia”? The majority of EU governments have been willing to endorse any nonsense or violation of international law under the pretext of “solidarity”, but there are still quite a few cracks in this apparent unity.
    At this moment the situation is extremely fluid and there are too many potential variables which can determine the next developments in order to make a prediction better than a wild guess. The only thing which is certain that this confrontation between the AngloZionist Hegemony and Russia is far from over, both in Syria and elsewhere (the Ukraine)."
    --- Do you personally believe that the stupidity of the UK government re Skripal affair is totally endogenous? It looks that it was Theresa & Boris' servility to the ziocon agenda that exposed them (and M16) as total fools.

    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.

    Ah but there’s the rub. Five or more like ten years ago yes but today the MSM, the Jew-ish ‘advocacy’ groups in the West are institutionalizing anti Zionism as anti Semitic. Soon even negroes who protest against Israeli crimes against the Palestinians will be labeled anti Semites. Big brother is watching.
    Of course it doesn’t affect the likes of some but others will be intimidated into silence, which it has unfortunately already done.
    Zionism must be defeated.

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    "Zionism must be defeated."
    -- Agree. The amoral silence by the 52 major American Jewish organizations with regard to ziocons' criminal warmongering and Israel's crimes puts a huge stain on the US Jewish community at large.
    However -- are we all Cheneys? Are we all Bush the lesser and Tony the Pious? The clueless warmonger Gavin Williamson is a pure Englishman. The subhuman Hayden and Morell are not Jewish.
    Whereas Oded Yinon plan has identified the "goals" for the Middle East, it was Clinton who made possible the destruction of Lybia. The Kagans' clan was promoting a regime change in Ukraine, but it was Brennan who provided the necessary support. The ziocons have got the power in the US thanks to the Fifth Column.
    Sharpen your spear towards the real culprits, whatever their ethnicity.
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  152. annamaria says:
    @Cold N. Holefield
    @annamaria

    You can agree or not agree with with my postulations, but my expertise is irrelevant. The material I present is what is relevant. Weigh it on its merits, instead of weighing me on my merits. I'm just the Message In A Bottle.

    Stalin had no experience or expertise in War and yet he's largely responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII. Using your logic, we can conclude Stalin, because he had no expertise in War and because he had murdered and exiled most everyone in Russia who did, should have lost the War. The Nazis were at Moscow's Doorstep and Stalin was all set to flee the Russian Capital to a Spider Hole in the Countryside when at the last minute, or second actually, he decided to remain and tough it out. He had NO EXPERTISE. But he did have Gut Instinct, Organic Street Smarts and incredible Resolve. Just ask Putin, he'll tell you. Stalin truly was The Man of Steel, yet he was an expert at NOTHING. Thank goodness The Soviet Union wasn't inundated with your vaunted Experts or else Stalin would have been instructed to flee to the Countryside with his tail between his legs and we'd all be speaking and typing German right now and The Jews would have been eliminated entirely. In that respect, The Jews should worship Stalin more than they do Oscar Schindler. In the end, it was Stalin who saved their asses, not the recalcitrant FDR who had to be brought kicking & screaming into War against Germany.

    Anyway, Lang completely overlooks Vietnam in his Narrative. How are The NeoCons and/or The Zionists responsible for Vietnam? For Korea? For Afghanistan? What about Libya? Was that The Zionists' idea too? I agree that AIPAC should be outlawed as all Special Interests and all Lobbying should be outlawed, but The Zionists cannot be blamed for everything just as The NeoCons cannot and I agree with the other Commentators who say that NeoCon for many is shorthand for Zionist.

    Lang can't point fingers at The Neocons and use the examples throughout American History he's provided and not also point the finger at himself for his emphatic involvement in Vietnam unless he's willing to seek Redemption for his Crimes Against Humanity and properly atone as Smedley Butler did and call War out for what it really is, a Racket and a Blood Sacrifice to Moloch because sometimes that's the only explanation of War that fits.

    There's a hell of a lot of History he skipped between the Spanish-American War in 1898 and the War referred to euphemistically as Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003. Like, say, The Vietnam War. It's History, isn't it? It was about Manifest Destiny, wasn't it? It was Imperialism, wasn't it? Oh wait, sorry, The Vietnam War was allegedly about The Truman Doctrine, wasn't it? Silly me. There is a difference, you know. Semantics mean everything, at least when you're Splitting Hairs. What they both have in common, Manifest Destiny and The Truman Doctrine, is that they are both Imperialism. The Truman Doctrine feigned to be saving Indigenous Cultures from Communist Cultural Decimation but what it really was doing was saving Indigenous Cultures from Communist Cultural Decimation so that said Indigenous Cultures could ultimately be transformed into Capitalist Cultural Enclaves replete with Capitalist Consumer Culture. Nuance matters, even if the Goal is still the same.

    Of course, in America's effort to pick up where the Colonial French left off and preserve French Culture in Vietnam with an American Twist, 3 to 5 million Vietnamese were senselessly murdered. Had America minded its own business and kept to itself, those millions of Vietnamese who were senselessly murdered would have lived a full life and another 10 million or so would never have been injured and traumatized. Pat Lang did some of that murdering, injuring & traumatizing. The extent of what he did we'll never know, but considering he was Special Ops, it's a Good Bet it was Merciless & Gruesome. In otherwords, Atrocious.

    Could you stay on point? — We have got that you are a Spotless Angelic Creature and a Messenger of The Truth.

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  153. annamaria says:

    The US government continues showing the taxpayers’ money ($200 million, no less) on the criminal organization “White Helmets”: https://www.rt.com/usa/424717-us-pay-white-helmets-syria/

    “US-Supported Syrian White Helmets Involved with War Crimes Committed by Rebel Groups:” https://disobedientmedia.com/2017/01/us-supported-syrian-white-helmets-involved-with-war-crimes-committed-by-rebel-groups/
    “ISIS Is Likely Receiving Funding From People Living In Countries Allied With The US:” http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-funding-us-allies-2014-6
    “ISIS: The ‘Enemy’ The US Created, Armed, & Funded:” https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-02/isis-enemy-us-created-armed-funded
    “White Helmets Campaign for War NOT Peace:” http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/02/the-white-helmets-campaign-for-war-not-peace-rla-and-nobel-peace-prize-nomination-should-be-retracted/
    “The White Helmets have been proven to be no more than a support network for Al Nusra Front and associated extremist terrorist groups. In many documented instances, the White Helmets have been accused of carrying out criminal acts alongside the US-coalition armed and funded terrorist factions.”

    — Anything goes for Eretz Israel.

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  154. @Cold N. Holefield

    Americans do not need this war. Israel does.
     
    Fair enough, but tell me then, what War DOES America need? You leave the door open for more War. It appears Lang's Philosophy is to avoid War with China and/or Russia because War with either would quickly turn Nuclear. I agree with him, it would, therefore it should be a No Go.

    Considering that, since China & Russia are the only Legitimate Foes who can stand up to the American War Machine, any other War would be Pure Unadulterated Bullying. Beating up on Weak Opponents. War for War's Sake knowing you can never really lose and yet you never really win.

    We see from this that War is now an Arcane Notion. It no longer has any place. Nukes have rendered Real War irrelevant and impossible.

    And yet, Donald Trump recently increased America's War Budget to $716 billion and is reconfiguring America's Nuclear Arsenal so that the possibility of using Nukes in Combat becomes more probable. Trump's American War Budget, if he's still in office and gets a second term, which is dubious, will approach $1 trillion by 2020 to 2021.

    How do we as a Nation justify this if we claim we're not a Nation that craves and thrives on War?

    I propose we reduce our Military/War Footprint 80% over the next ten years. I propose that the American Military be entirely reconfigured from top to bottom and that its sole and only purpose is to protect The Homeland from attack. In otherwords, I propose closing all American Military Bases around The World and putting an end, once and for all, to American Imperialism and Foreign Interventionism.

    What say you annamaria? What say you Lang? Are you with me, or are you still in search of a Non-Zionist Inspired Real War which we now know is impossible. The only Real War that's possible now is a Nuclear War, or Armageddon if you will.

    I would be all for reducing interventions and the posts designed for that purpose. But not all military aide is for military purposes. The US has one of the largest humanitarian aide programs in the world — and some of that is military.

    Reducing unnecessary force and improving our footprint is not objectionable on point — but before agreeing to any such proposals — one would need specific about what 80% means and looks like.

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    The specifics of the 80% Reduction can be worked out after much back & forth, but it should be a Transparent Truly Democratic Process not dominated by Bought & Paid For Whore Politicians. But first, you, or we collectively, have to agree to an 80% Reduction. That Reduction can occur in phases and be completed after ten years.

    The Pentagon is not transparent as to how many Military Installations it has established across The Planet, but the number is approximately 800 give or take a 100 to 150. I propose ALL of those Installations be Shuttered within ten years.

    Special Ops will be no more. The Marines will no longer be necessary since Aggressive Interventionist War will be a thing of the past. As I mentioned, the Hierarchical Structure of the American Military will have to be entirely transformed to better meet its new Goal & Mission. It will be leaner but much more responsible, accountable and effective to its new Core Mission & Purpose — protecting The Homeland here at Home.

    America's Nuclear Arsenal will need to be reconfigured in a way that protects America from Russia & China when they scurry to fill the Power Vacuum created by this Reduction in Force. It will be made clear that if China & Russia, instead of following America's Example they seek to exploit that Example and become Imperialist Interventionists themselves, they will be imperiling The World and risking Nuclear War. This Reduction is not a Capitulation or a Rolling Over and if China & Russia treat it as such and perceive it as Weakness, they will be sadly mistaken. America won't be doing this merely to allow China & Russia to do in America's Wake what America's done all these live-long years. That's why the Nuclear Deterrent in the face of this Reduction is vitally important, and that will require America to transform its Nuclear Arsenal into a Lean & Mean Klaatu.

    We are living in a World of significantly diminishing resources. The American Military is at the forefront of gobbling up the remaining resources at an exponential pace. It's not only a Massive Gas Hog per se, but it's The Hammer for a System that is destroying The Planet until there is no Planet left to destroy. America could lead The World in the 21st Century by Example versus Brute Hot & Cold Evil Force, and that Example is fostering the creation of an Economic System predicated not on Growth, but Contraction, the Goal of which is to live sustainably, or as sustainable as possible, with the Living Planet.

    Can Economic Growth Last?

    The answer is, when you apply proven Math & Physics, that it cannot. The sooner WE ALL accept that, the better off we'll ALL be in the years ahead.

    The Conclusion from that Excellent Article linked to above.

    Together with the last post, I have used physical analysis to argue that sustained economic growth in the long term is fantastical. Maybe for some, this is stating the obvious. After all, Adam Smith imagined a 200-year phase of economic growth followed by a steady state. But our mentality is currently centered on growth. Our economic systems rely on growth for investment, loans, and interest to make any sense. If we don’t deliberately put ourselves onto a steady state trajectory, we risk a complete and unchoreographed collapse of our economic institutions.

    Admittedly, the argument that economic growth will stop is not as direct a result of physics as is the argument that physical growth will stop, and as such represents a stretch outside my usual comfort zone. But besides physical limits, I think we must also apply notions of common sense and human psychology. The artificial world that must be envisioned to keep economic growth alive in the face of physical limits strikes me as preposterous and untenable. It would be an existence far removed from demonstrated modes of human economic activity. Not everyone would want to participate in this whimsical society, preferring instead to spend their puffy paychecks on constrained physical goods and energy (which is now dirt cheap, by the way, so a few individuals could easily afford to own all of it!).

    Recognizing the need to ultimately transition to a non-growth economy, I am personally disconcerted by the fact that we lack a tested economic system based on steady-state conditions. I would like to take a conservative, low-risk approach to the future and smartly place ourselves on a sustainable trajectory. There are well-developed steady-state economic models, pioneered by Herman Daly and others. There are even stepwise plans to transition our economy into a steady-state. But not one of those steps will be taken if people (who elect politicians) do not crave this result. The only way people will crave this result is if they understand (or experience) the impossibility of continued growth and the consequences of not acting soon enough. I hope we can collectively be smart enough to make this transition.
     
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  155. Herald says:
    @bjondo
    In addition to corpses in his closet, wonder how much looted Russian loot in his off-shore account(s)?

    You say this without a shred of evidence and you are not trying to be being funny! You seem about as unpleasant as a Trump in a spacesuit.

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    The proof is in the pudding. Check out the pudding and the cooks.
    If you can from your telviv cubicle or your DC neocon propaganda tank.
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  156. CK says:
    @Druid
    Arabs know Jews for what they are!

    First cousins.

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  157. CK says:
    @annamaria
    And how honorable are you by hiding behind the name of von Borcke? Are you a perfect being?
    Patrick Lang does not need your approval or disapproval. He is above it.
    When you write, "He actively participated in the birth of Eretz Israel and the destruction of Christianity," this is not even laughable -- this is a mechanical slander by an ignoramus. Do you know when Israel was established? Do you know Lang's age?
    He is a real person. He grew up and matured in various respects, including his understanding of American reality. You are not in a position to criticize his integrity and expertise and guts: Remember, you are hiding behind the von Borcke's name.
    Again, are you an angelic being? Do you have the same hatred for Smedley Darlington Butler, the most decorated American general in the US history? Butler "participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean..." -- Read about him, "Heron." Butler was a person of tremendous courage, a true American patriot.
    It would not be surprising to learn that you work for hasbara which cannot forgive Lang's opposition -- the intelligent and articulated opposition, not some hysterical exclamations -- to wars for Israel and to zionizaton of the US army and Congress.

    On Sic Semper Tyrannis, the Colonel has had unkind words to say about General Butler’s intellect.

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  158. bjondo says:
    @Herald
    You say this without a shred of evidence and you are not trying to be being funny! You seem about as unpleasant as a Trump in a spacesuit.

    The proof is in the pudding. Check out the pudding and the cooks.
    If you can from your telviv cubicle or your DC neocon propaganda tank.

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    The proof is in the pudding
     
    • Broken Record Dept.

    You've mangled an aphorism in a manner known as a malapropism. But you're not alone. I've seen other variations, and I was talking about this recently on another thread, where we read that "...the proof is in the putting..."


    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ww3/#comment-2293748


    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

    Succinctly put, the proof of the pudding is in the eating because -- for most of us -- the value of a pudding is based on how it tastes, not how it looks, or the chef's reputation, the restaurant's reviews, the elegance and luxurious ambiance of the surroundings, or even the beautiful fonts and error-free typesetting in the menu. In the realm of food where pudding resides, the definitive question is: does it taste good, or not? By the extraordinarily clever expedient of eating the pudding, one can then determine its worth, and arrive at the proof of the pudding.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating because results are what matters, not all the claims and bragging.

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  160. annamaria says:
    @Z-man

    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.
     
    Ah but there's the rub. Five or more like ten years ago yes but today the MSM, the Jew-ish 'advocacy' groups in the West are institutionalizing anti Zionism as anti Semitic. Soon even negroes who protest against Israeli crimes against the Palestinians will be labeled anti Semites. Big brother is watching.
    Of course it doesn't affect the likes of some but others will be intimidated into silence, which it has unfortunately already done.
    Zionism must be defeated.

    “Zionism must be defeated.”
    – Agree. The amoral silence by the 52 major American Jewish organizations with regard to ziocons’ criminal warmongering and Israel’s crimes puts a huge stain on the US Jewish community at large.
    However — are we all Cheneys? Are we all Bush the lesser and Tony the Pious? The clueless warmonger Gavin Williamson is a pure Englishman. The subhuman Hayden and Morell are not Jewish.
    Whereas Oded Yinon plan has identified the “goals” for the Middle East, it was Clinton who made possible the destruction of Lybia. The Kagans’ clan was promoting a regime change in Ukraine, but it was Brennan who provided the necessary support. The ziocons have got the power in the US thanks to the Fifth Column.
    Sharpen your spear towards the real culprits, whatever their ethnicity.

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    Criminals tend to be silent about themselves.

    Clintons, Cheney, Brennan, ilk are useful tools - Jew pets. Pets to be used when Jew can't exercise actual power and to be face for crimes with Jew in background.
    , @Z-man
    Hayden (Michael, CIA) is slick, I met him once. Morell (Michael, CIA) is a comical lightweight, a plus to have on the opposing side. A 'zero' is a plus. LOL
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  161. @EliteCommInc.
    I would be all for reducing interventions and the posts designed for that purpose. But not all military aide is for military purposes. The US has one of the largest humanitarian aide programs in the world -- and some of that is military.


    Reducing unnecessary force and improving our footprint is not objectionable on point -- but before agreeing to any such proposals -- one would need specific about what 80% means and looks like.

    The specifics of the 80% Reduction can be worked out after much back & forth, but it should be a Transparent Truly Democratic Process not dominated by Bought & Paid For Whore Politicians. But first, you, or we collectively, have to agree to an 80% Reduction. That Reduction can occur in phases and be completed after ten years.

    The Pentagon is not transparent as to how many Military Installations it has established across The Planet, but the number is approximately 800 give or take a 100 to 150. I propose ALL of those Installations be Shuttered within ten years.

    Special Ops will be no more. The Marines will no longer be necessary since Aggressive Interventionist War will be a thing of the past. As I mentioned, the Hierarchical Structure of the American Military will have to be entirely transformed to better meet its new Goal & Mission. It will be leaner but much more responsible, accountable and effective to its new Core Mission & Purpose — protecting The Homeland here at Home.

    America’s Nuclear Arsenal will need to be reconfigured in a way that protects America from Russia & China when they scurry to fill the Power Vacuum created by this Reduction in Force. It will be made clear that if China & Russia, instead of following America’s Example they seek to exploit that Example and become Imperialist Interventionists themselves, they will be imperiling The World and risking Nuclear War. This Reduction is not a Capitulation or a Rolling Over and if China & Russia treat it as such and perceive it as Weakness, they will be sadly mistaken. America won’t be doing this merely to allow China & Russia to do in America’s Wake what America’s done all these live-long years. That’s why the Nuclear Deterrent in the face of this Reduction is vitally important, and that will require America to transform its Nuclear Arsenal into a Lean & Mean Klaatu.

    We are living in a World of significantly diminishing resources. The American Military is at the forefront of gobbling up the remaining resources at an exponential pace. It’s not only a Massive Gas Hog per se, but it’s The Hammer for a System that is destroying The Planet until there is no Planet left to destroy. America could lead The World in the 21st Century by Example versus Brute Hot & Cold Evil Force, and that Example is fostering the creation of an Economic System predicated not on Growth, but Contraction, the Goal of which is to live sustainably, or as sustainable as possible, with the Living Planet.

    Can Economic Growth Last?

    The answer is, when you apply proven Math & Physics, that it cannot. The sooner WE ALL accept that, the better off we’ll ALL be in the years ahead.

    The Conclusion from that Excellent Article linked to above.

    [MORE]

    Together with the last post, I have used physical analysis to argue that sustained economic growth in the long term is fantastical. Maybe for some, this is stating the obvious. After all, Adam Smith imagined a 200-year phase of economic growth followed by a steady state. But our mentality is currently centered on growth. Our economic systems rely on growth for investment, loans, and interest to make any sense. If we don’t deliberately put ourselves onto a steady state trajectory, we risk a complete and unchoreographed collapse of our economic institutions.

    Admittedly, the argument that economic growth will stop is not as direct a result of physics as is the argument that physical growth will stop, and as such represents a stretch outside my usual comfort zone. But besides physical limits, I think we must also apply notions of common sense and human psychology. The artificial world that must be envisioned to keep economic growth alive in the face of physical limits strikes me as preposterous and untenable. It would be an existence far removed from demonstrated modes of human economic activity. Not everyone would want to participate in this whimsical society, preferring instead to spend their puffy paychecks on constrained physical goods and energy (which is now dirt cheap, by the way, so a few individuals could easily afford to own all of it!).

    Recognizing the need to ultimately transition to a non-growth economy, I am personally disconcerted by the fact that we lack a tested economic system based on steady-state conditions. I would like to take a conservative, low-risk approach to the future and smartly place ourselves on a sustainable trajectory. There are well-developed steady-state economic models, pioneered by Herman Daly and others. There are even stepwise plans to transition our economy into a steady-state. But not one of those steps will be taken if people (who elect politicians) do not crave this result. The only way people will crave this result is if they understand (or experience) the impossibility of continued growth and the consequences of not acting soon enough. I hope we can collectively be smart enough to make this transition.

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  162. bjondo says:
    @annamaria
    "Zionism must be defeated."
    -- Agree. The amoral silence by the 52 major American Jewish organizations with regard to ziocons' criminal warmongering and Israel's crimes puts a huge stain on the US Jewish community at large.
    However -- are we all Cheneys? Are we all Bush the lesser and Tony the Pious? The clueless warmonger Gavin Williamson is a pure Englishman. The subhuman Hayden and Morell are not Jewish.
    Whereas Oded Yinon plan has identified the "goals" for the Middle East, it was Clinton who made possible the destruction of Lybia. The Kagans' clan was promoting a regime change in Ukraine, but it was Brennan who provided the necessary support. The ziocons have got the power in the US thanks to the Fifth Column.
    Sharpen your spear towards the real culprits, whatever their ethnicity.

    Criminals tend to be silent about themselves.

    Clintons, Cheney, Brennan, ilk are useful tools – Jew pets. Pets to be used when Jew can’t exercise actual power and to be face for crimes with Jew in background.

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  163. Sparkon says:
    @bjondo
    The proof is in the pudding. Check out the pudding and the cooks.
    If you can from your telviv cubicle or your DC neocon propaganda tank.

    The proof is in the pudding

    • Broken Record Dept.

    You’ve mangled an aphorism in a manner known as a malapropism. But you’re not alone. I’ve seen other variations, and I was talking about this recently on another thread, where we read that “…the proof is in the putting…”

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ww3/#comment-2293748

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

    Succinctly put, the proof of the pudding is in the eating because — for most of us — the value of a pudding is based on how it tastes, not how it looks, or the chef’s reputation, the restaurant’s reviews, the elegance and luxurious ambiance of the surroundings, or even the beautiful fonts and error-free typesetting in the menu. In the realm of food where pudding resides, the definitive question is: does it taste good, or not? By the extraordinarily clever expedient of eating the pudding, one can then determine its worth, and arrive at the proof of the pudding.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating because results are what matters, not all the claims and bragging.

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    I wrote what I meant. But you are funny. Obviously IVY educated. Occupying Jew or paid local?
    Time-wasting service free?
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  164. bjondo says:
    @Sparkon

    The proof is in the pudding
     
    • Broken Record Dept.

    You've mangled an aphorism in a manner known as a malapropism. But you're not alone. I've seen other variations, and I was talking about this recently on another thread, where we read that "...the proof is in the putting..."


    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ww3/#comment-2293748


    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

    Succinctly put, the proof of the pudding is in the eating because -- for most of us -- the value of a pudding is based on how it tastes, not how it looks, or the chef's reputation, the restaurant's reviews, the elegance and luxurious ambiance of the surroundings, or even the beautiful fonts and error-free typesetting in the menu. In the realm of food where pudding resides, the definitive question is: does it taste good, or not? By the extraordinarily clever expedient of eating the pudding, one can then determine its worth, and arrive at the proof of the pudding.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating because results are what matters, not all the claims and bragging.

    I wrote what I meant. But you are funny. Obviously IVY educated. Occupying Jew or paid local?
    Time-wasting service free?

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    Wrong on all counts, but nice try: Your reply is short on facts, but long on bogus accusations.
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  165. kemerd says:
    @Heros
    "You are more of a simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog."

    Typical Pat Lang, not satisfied with his wishy washy bulling and banning behavior on his own blog, he carries it over to Unz.

    The real reason Lang cannot seem to be able to connect the dots and acknowledge the corrosive and even genocidal effects of this racial supremacist religion cum race is the same reason none of his ilk will even bother to take a deep look at 9/11. It is called culpability.

    For if the Neocons or Zionists, most of us don't care to make a distinction because they are serving the same masters, are guilty of half of the crimes that Lang openly admits, then Lang is as guilty as any "Nazi" hung after Nuremburg.

    So like the vast majority of Americans, his logic and thinking are befuddled with cognitive dissonance. He can accept contradictions like Good War and Hiroshima. Or ignore and cover up US actions in Vietnam because it was the most important event in his and his war-buddies lifes.

    The important question, is why is he allowed by ZOG to make the truth about Israel posts that he does. The answer is that he always toes their red line. He calls our owners the "BORG" instead of calling them "ZOG". He always stays away from evidence about how Zionists planned WWII through things like embargo's, ethnic cleansing of Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia, or that the Zionists had been preparing the "Holocaust" for decades.

    In short, his blog, and this post, are limited hangouts. Sure, he has some interesting insights and inside information. So does Ben Shapiro or Jason Goodman, but you will never find a path to the truth by reading their drivel.

    So like the vast majority of Americans, his logic and thinking are befuddled with cognitive dissonance. He can accept contradictions like Good War and Hiroshima. Or ignore and cover up US actions in Vietnam because it was the most important event in his and his war-buddies lifes.

    You got an important point: Col. Lang certainly do not have any problems with accepting false narratives in the past. I was amazed by his behavior of shutting down comments on his blog (when he posted a propaganda piece about Stalin) because some commentators pointed out factual problems in there.

    But, I will keep following him just because he sometimes provides some glimpse of what the rulers of the US actually think

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  166. Z-man says:
    @annamaria
    "Zionism must be defeated."
    -- Agree. The amoral silence by the 52 major American Jewish organizations with regard to ziocons' criminal warmongering and Israel's crimes puts a huge stain on the US Jewish community at large.
    However -- are we all Cheneys? Are we all Bush the lesser and Tony the Pious? The clueless warmonger Gavin Williamson is a pure Englishman. The subhuman Hayden and Morell are not Jewish.
    Whereas Oded Yinon plan has identified the "goals" for the Middle East, it was Clinton who made possible the destruction of Lybia. The Kagans' clan was promoting a regime change in Ukraine, but it was Brennan who provided the necessary support. The ziocons have got the power in the US thanks to the Fifth Column.
    Sharpen your spear towards the real culprits, whatever their ethnicity.

    Hayden (Michael, CIA) is slick, I met him once. Morell (Michael, CIA) is a comical lightweight, a plus to have on the opposing side. A ‘zero’ is a plus. LOL

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    Hayden (Michael, CIA) is slick,
     
    Get the L out of there.

    Hayden is a sell-out to the dark side/deep state.
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  167. Sparkon says:
    @bjondo
    I wrote what I meant. But you are funny. Obviously IVY educated. Occupying Jew or paid local?
    Time-wasting service free?

    Wrong on all counts, but nice try: Your reply is short on facts, but long on bogus accusations.

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  168. RobinG says:
    @annamaria
    And how honorable are you by hiding behind the name of von Borcke? Are you a perfect being?
    Patrick Lang does not need your approval or disapproval. He is above it.
    When you write, "He actively participated in the birth of Eretz Israel and the destruction of Christianity," this is not even laughable -- this is a mechanical slander by an ignoramus. Do you know when Israel was established? Do you know Lang's age?
    He is a real person. He grew up and matured in various respects, including his understanding of American reality. You are not in a position to criticize his integrity and expertise and guts: Remember, you are hiding behind the von Borcke's name.
    Again, are you an angelic being? Do you have the same hatred for Smedley Darlington Butler, the most decorated American general in the US history? Butler "participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean..." -- Read about him, "Heron." Butler was a person of tremendous courage, a true American patriot.
    It would not be surprising to learn that you work for hasbara which cannot forgive Lang's opposition -- the intelligent and articulated opposition, not some hysterical exclamations -- to wars for Israel and to zionizaton of the US army and Congress.

    Everyone has their shortcomings. I’m not a follower of Lang’s blog, but I hear (from S2C, iirc), that Lang has disparaged Larry Wilkerson for having aided fraudulent war. Pretty hypocritical then, given Lang’s own history.

    Now alleged that Lang has accused b. of MoA as anti-American. (((Is that the new anti-Semitism?))) If true, that’s pretty pathetic. There are plenty of Lang fans here, but they should admit his blindside.

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    We have covered this point already: Colonel Patrick Lang is a human being, not some angelic creature.
    Can he be abrasive? - yes, he can. He is a soldier and he can be brutally direct.
    For those complaining about the not-enough-gentle treatment on Lang's blog - the blog is his territory. Don't like it -- don't enter, particularly because Lang does not appreciate sloppy analytics. Try to create your own blog, under your own name, and try to attract the extraordinary people that participate in discussions on Lang's blog.
    For those "anonymouses" that accuse Lang of being "on Putin's payroll" and "soft on ziocons," here is a simple question: How many of the "anonymouses" have refused the lucrative proposals in order to maintain their integrity and loyalty to the interests of their country? -- We would never know the answer because they are, well, anonymous.
    Colonel Lang does not need my defense; he is a towering figure with the proven record of honesty, professionalism, and courage. This country would be in a much better shape if we had more such people as Lang.
    This simply a bigger picture that allows comparing the scales.
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  169. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man
    Hayden (Michael, CIA) is slick, I met him once. Morell (Michael, CIA) is a comical lightweight, a plus to have on the opposing side. A 'zero' is a plus. LOL

    Hayden (Michael, CIA) is slick,

    Get the L out of there.

    Hayden is a sell-out to the dark side/deep state.

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  170. I am SAIS 1970 and the one lesson I got, which was at variance with the place, was simply that countries cannot tolerate disorder or chaos on their borders.

    It seems, too, that the best people to make that call are the people in the area, not the US.

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    Except that IsraHell CAUSES disorder and chaos on its (well, there aren't any, are there?) borders..... and beyond.
    , @anon

    I am SAIS 1970 . . .
     
    My oh my.
    We are in awe at the tonnage of your ass.

    countries cannot tolerate disorder or chaos on their borders.
     
    does that apply to countries with no declared borders?
    and also to countries who deliberately create chaos on their (non)-borders?

    It seems, too, that the best people to make that call are the people in the area, not the US.
     
    At SAIS 1970, what was said about who should pay for the "people who make the call" about putting down -- or creating -- chaos on their (non) borders?
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  171. Z-man says:

    The Zionists will stop at nothing to protect their enclave. Just who is the terrorist here?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43851065

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  172. The good thing about this CIA attempt to blame the Jews is that it will stoke a lot of hatred of the Jewish State’s fifth column. Then when the tipping point of Zionazi genocide is reached, all the treasonous US-national Mossad agents will go to ground to save their skins and Israel will go down like a ton of bricks. The Palestinian majority will rule.

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  173. iffen says:
    @annamaria
    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.
    Theresa & Boris' subordination to the ziocon "dealers:" http://thesaker.is/each-click-brings-us-one-step-closer-to-the-bang/
    "Have the Skripal and Douma false flag chemical (pseudo-) attacks been sufficient to re-subordinate the post-Brexit EU to the Anglosphere and have the AngloZionists been successful in forging a united front for a “Crusade against Russia”? The majority of EU governments have been willing to endorse any nonsense or violation of international law under the pretext of “solidarity”, but there are still quite a few cracks in this apparent unity.
    At this moment the situation is extremely fluid and there are too many potential variables which can determine the next developments in order to make a prediction better than a wild guess. The only thing which is certain that this confrontation between the AngloZionist Hegemony and Russia is far from over, both in Syria and elsewhere (the Ukraine)."
    --- Do you personally believe that the stupidity of the UK government re Skripal affair is totally endogenous? It looks that it was Theresa & Boris' servility to the ziocon agenda that exposed them (and M16) as total fools.

    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.

    I guess this might be true but it sure seems to help.

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    You do understand that your comment was an attempt at complaining -- don't you? We would not have this conversation if not the cowardly behavior of the 52 major American Jewish organizations that have been placing the interests of Israel above the interests of the US.
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  174. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Not according to most anti-Semites.
     
    You think zionism is simple?
    Tell us more, orphan iffen.

    Not according to most anti-Semites.

    You think zionism is simple?
    Tell us more, orphan iffen.

    Notice that I said “according to most anti-Semites,” not according to iffen.

    But since you ask, I do think that it is simple nationalism.

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  175. RobinG says:
    @tradecraft46
    I am SAIS 1970 and the one lesson I got, which was at variance with the place, was simply that countries cannot tolerate disorder or chaos on their borders.

    It seems, too, that the best people to make that call are the people in the area, not the US.

    Except that IsraHell CAUSES disorder and chaos on its (well, there aren’t any, are there?) borders….. and beyond.

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  176. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @tradecraft46
    I am SAIS 1970 and the one lesson I got, which was at variance with the place, was simply that countries cannot tolerate disorder or chaos on their borders.

    It seems, too, that the best people to make that call are the people in the area, not the US.

    I am SAIS 1970 . . .

    My oh my.
    We are in awe at the tonnage of your ass.

    countries cannot tolerate disorder or chaos on their borders.

    does that apply to countries with no declared borders?
    and also to countries who deliberately create chaos on their (non)-borders?

    It seems, too, that the best people to make that call are the people in the area, not the US.

    At SAIS 1970, what was said about who should pay for the “people who make the call” about putting down — or creating — chaos on their (non) borders?

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  177. iffen says:
    @Twodees Partain
    The term "neoconservative" is used as a euphemism for "jews", according to Jonah Goldberg. In 2003, that's what Goldberg wrote, and though the link I found for his article at NR is long dead, Justin Raimondo's column from that year stated:

    "Under attack, and on the defensive, the neocons are now claiming that to even use the term "neoconservative" is to commit an anti-Semitic act. As Jonah Goldberg puts it:
    'People who want to denounce the influence of Jews get to use the word 'neocon' when they really mean 'Jewish conservatives' without being held accountable.' "

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j032203.html

    So, anyway.....some people use the word 'neocon' as a code word for 'evil jew' (not "jewish conservative"). Though some neocons aren't jews, enough are that using the word as a synonym works out well enough.

    The term “neoconservative” is used as a euphemism for “jews”, according to Jonah Goldberg.

    My God, you found a Jew who said (wrote) blah, blah. Discussion over, no more comments. No need for anyone else to think, read or write.

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    I don't know what disorder you're afflicted with, but I'll bet it's hard to spell.
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  178. annamaria says:
    @RobinG
    Everyone has their shortcomings. I'm not a follower of Lang's blog, but I hear (from S2C, iirc), that Lang has disparaged Larry Wilkerson for having aided fraudulent war. Pretty hypocritical then, given Lang's own history.

    Now alleged that Lang has accused b. of MoA as anti-American. (((Is that the new anti-Semitism?))) If true, that's pretty pathetic. There are plenty of Lang fans here, but they should admit his blindside.

    We have covered this point already: Colonel Patrick Lang is a human being, not some angelic creature.
    Can he be abrasive? – yes, he can. He is a soldier and he can be brutally direct.
    For those complaining about the not-enough-gentle treatment on Lang’s blog – the blog is his territory. Don’t like it — don’t enter, particularly because Lang does not appreciate sloppy analytics. Try to create your own blog, under your own name, and try to attract the extraordinary people that participate in discussions on Lang’s blog.
    For those “anonymouses” that accuse Lang of being “on Putin’s payroll” and “soft on ziocons,” here is a simple question: How many of the “anonymouses” have refused the lucrative proposals in order to maintain their integrity and loyalty to the interests of their country? — We would never know the answer because they are, well, anonymous.
    Colonel Lang does not need my defense; he is a towering figure with the proven record of honesty, professionalism, and courage. This country would be in a much better shape if we had more such people as Lang.
    This simply a bigger picture that allows comparing the scales.

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  179. annamaria says:
    @iffen
    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.

    I guess this might be true but it sure seems to help.

    You do understand that your comment was an attempt at complaining — don’t you? We would not have this conversation if not the cowardly behavior of the 52 major American Jewish organizations that have been placing the interests of Israel above the interests of the US.

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  180. @iffen
    The term “neoconservative” is used as a euphemism for “jews”, according to Jonah Goldberg.

    My God, you found a Jew who said (wrote) blah, blah. Discussion over, no more comments. No need for anyone else to think, read or write.

    I don’t know what disorder you’re afflicted with, but I’ll bet it’s hard to spell.

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    I don’t know what disorder you’re afflicted with

    It's the one where I think I'm sane, normal and rational while most everyone else is looney.

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  181. iffen says:

    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.

    I guess this might be true but it sure seems to help.

    You do understand that your comment was an attempt at complaining — don’t you?

    Anti-Semites loath ziocons.
    Every ziocon loather is an anti-Semite.
    Only anti-Semites use the term ziocon.

    We would not have this conversation

    I think that we might be having different conversations with each other.
    :)

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    "Only anti-Semites use the term ziocon."
    --- This is why the Fifth column of Israel-firsters is unredeemable: The tribal fealty trumps reason.
    PS: The free-thinker and great human beings Baruch Spinoza was excommunicated; his grave is still outside of a Jewish cemetery.
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  182. iffen says:
    @Twodees Partain
    I don't know what disorder you're afflicted with, but I'll bet it's hard to spell.

    I don’t know what disorder you’re afflicted with

    It’s the one where I think I’m sane, normal and rational while most everyone else is looney.

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    Well, shit. I thought we all suffered from that one. I'm eaten up with it myself.
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  183. Eh, prior to WW2 Stalin had leadership positions in:

    -Russian civil war
    -Polish Soviet war
    -Conflicts with the Chinese over the Transsiberian railway
    -Conflict with the Japanese at Kalkhin Gol and Lake Khasan
    -Winter War

    He was also a career criminal and these are frequently effective leaders. (Military historians are also frequently pretty good, ideally a military historian who is also a career criminal or serious revolutionary like Vo Ngyuen Giap).

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    He was also a career criminal and these are frequently effective leaders.
     
    Great point. Chalk one up for The Donald. ;)
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  184. RobinG says:
    @Mightypeon
    Eh, prior to WW2 Stalin had leadership positions in:

    -Russian civil war
    -Polish Soviet war
    -Conflicts with the Chinese over the Transsiberian railway
    -Conflict with the Japanese at Kalkhin Gol and Lake Khasan
    -Winter War



    He was also a career criminal and these are frequently effective leaders. (Military historians are also frequently pretty good, ideally a military historian who is also a career criminal or serious revolutionary like Vo Ngyuen Giap).

    He was also a career criminal and these are frequently effective leaders.

    Great point. Chalk one up for The Donald. ;)

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  185. annamaria says:
    @iffen


    One does not need to be an antisemite to loath zi0cons.
     
    I guess this might be true but it sure seems to help.
     
    You do understand that your comment was an attempt at complaining — don’t you?

    Anti-Semites loath ziocons.
    Every ziocon loather is an anti-Semite.
    Only anti-Semites use the term ziocon.

    We would not have this conversation

    I think that we might be having different conversations with each other.

    :)

    “Only anti-Semites use the term ziocon.”
    — This is why the Fifth column of Israel-firsters is unredeemable: The tribal fealty trumps reason.
    PS: The free-thinker and great human beings Baruch Spinoza was excommunicated; his grave is still outside of a Jewish cemetery.

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  186. Miro23 says:
    @Cold N. Holefield
    @annamaria

    You can agree or not agree with with my postulations, but my expertise is irrelevant. The material I present is what is relevant. Weigh it on its merits, instead of weighing me on my merits. I'm just the Message In A Bottle.

    Stalin had no experience or expertise in War and yet he's largely responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII. Using your logic, we can conclude Stalin, because he had no expertise in War and because he had murdered and exiled most everyone in Russia who did, should have lost the War. The Nazis were at Moscow's Doorstep and Stalin was all set to flee the Russian Capital to a Spider Hole in the Countryside when at the last minute, or second actually, he decided to remain and tough it out. He had NO EXPERTISE. But he did have Gut Instinct, Organic Street Smarts and incredible Resolve. Just ask Putin, he'll tell you. Stalin truly was The Man of Steel, yet he was an expert at NOTHING. Thank goodness The Soviet Union wasn't inundated with your vaunted Experts or else Stalin would have been instructed to flee to the Countryside with his tail between his legs and we'd all be speaking and typing German right now and The Jews would have been eliminated entirely. In that respect, The Jews should worship Stalin more than they do Oscar Schindler. In the end, it was Stalin who saved their asses, not the recalcitrant FDR who had to be brought kicking & screaming into War against Germany.

    Anyway, Lang completely overlooks Vietnam in his Narrative. How are The NeoCons and/or The Zionists responsible for Vietnam? For Korea? For Afghanistan? What about Libya? Was that The Zionists' idea too? I agree that AIPAC should be outlawed as all Special Interests and all Lobbying should be outlawed, but The Zionists cannot be blamed for everything just as The NeoCons cannot and I agree with the other Commentators who say that NeoCon for many is shorthand for Zionist.

    Lang can't point fingers at The Neocons and use the examples throughout American History he's provided and not also point the finger at himself for his emphatic involvement in Vietnam unless he's willing to seek Redemption for his Crimes Against Humanity and properly atone as Smedley Butler did and call War out for what it really is, a Racket and a Blood Sacrifice to Moloch because sometimes that's the only explanation of War that fits.

    There's a hell of a lot of History he skipped between the Spanish-American War in 1898 and the War referred to euphemistically as Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003. Like, say, The Vietnam War. It's History, isn't it? It was about Manifest Destiny, wasn't it? It was Imperialism, wasn't it? Oh wait, sorry, The Vietnam War was allegedly about The Truman Doctrine, wasn't it? Silly me. There is a difference, you know. Semantics mean everything, at least when you're Splitting Hairs. What they both have in common, Manifest Destiny and The Truman Doctrine, is that they are both Imperialism. The Truman Doctrine feigned to be saving Indigenous Cultures from Communist Cultural Decimation but what it really was doing was saving Indigenous Cultures from Communist Cultural Decimation so that said Indigenous Cultures could ultimately be transformed into Capitalist Cultural Enclaves replete with Capitalist Consumer Culture. Nuance matters, even if the Goal is still the same.

    Of course, in America's effort to pick up where the Colonial French left off and preserve French Culture in Vietnam with an American Twist, 3 to 5 million Vietnamese were senselessly murdered. Had America minded its own business and kept to itself, those millions of Vietnamese who were senselessly murdered would have lived a full life and another 10 million or so would never have been injured and traumatized. Pat Lang did some of that murdering, injuring & traumatizing. The extent of what he did we'll never know, but considering he was Special Ops, it's a Good Bet it was Merciless & Gruesome. In otherwords, Atrocious.

    The Nazis were at Moscow’s Doorstep and Stalin was all set to flee the Russian Capital to a Spider Hole in the Countryside when at the last minute, or second actually, he decided to remain and tough it out.

    No he didn’t – he had a nervous breakdown.

    Either way, after three days, a small delegation came knocking at his door. Headed by Molotov (pictured to Stalin’s right), Lavrentii Beria(Stalin’s Chief of Secret Police), Kliment Voroshilov (Defence, to Stalin’s left) and Anastas Mikoyan (Foreign Trade), they found Stalin sitting at his desk. He had on his face a look of fear. Mikoyan later wrote, “I have no doubt – he decided we had come to arrest him.” Stalin was looking thinner, haggard and hadn’t changed his clothes.

    “Why have you come?” he asked.

    Molotov stepped forward, “We’re asking you to return to work.”

    http://www.historyinanhour.com/2011/07/01/stalins-breakdown/

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    Your timing is off. That Sabbatical wasn't related to his stand in Moscow from a Timing Perspective, however, I have no doubt it informed his decision to stay in Moscow and tough it out. If Stalin was Hitler, Stalin would have gone into an underground bunker and suicided himself and had his body burned. But Stalin was not Hitler, even though both were equally ruthless in their own right.

    It's conjectured he had a Nervous Breakdown. We'll never know. Maybe he did, or maybe his Sabbatical was more calculated. Those Organic Street Smarts sensed a Coup brewing, considering his paralytic non-response to Hitler's aggression, and he wanted to draw out the Conspirators. No Coup was forthcoming and those who would be Conspirators were instead his Loyal Champions.

    What his Sabbatical proved to him was the Loyalty of his closest Advisors & Confidantes, or his Yes Men if you will. They pleaded for him to return to his Duty and proclaimed that only he could lead Russia at that time. Afterall, Russia loves its Strong Men as witnessed by its Tzarist History.

    How did Joseph Stalin react to the German invasion during WWII?

    Some historians have even suggested that Stalin suffered some kind of nervous breakdown. Another, less popular theory is that Stalin deliberately withdrew from the scene, to avoid being ousted from power. When he saw that no one was about to challenge his authority he decided to take control of the situation. [9]
     
    As for Stalin and War Experience, give me a break. A Token Leadership Position in Russia's Internecine Civil Skirmishes, as bloody as they may have been, does not a War Expert make.

    The following describes it adequately.

    Stalin as a Military Leader

    Stalin’s reputation as a military leader is a hotly contested issue. He appointed himself the People’s Commissar for Defense in July 1941 and the commander in chief of the Soviet armed forces in August. As commander in chief, Stalin presided over the Supreme Command headquarters charged with the overall supervision, planning, and coordination of all military operations. Stalin possessed certain qualities, including a sharp memory, the ability to get to the root of the matter, and tremendous willpower, that distinguish military leaders.

    However, he lacked formal military education and military experience. Too often Stalin relied on the crude tactics of throwing masses of soldiers into frontal attacks that resulted in the prodigal waste of manpower. Many commentators blame Stalin for the incompetent meddling in military decision making during the first year of the war and for the exorbitant cost that the Red Army paid for their commander in chief’s “crash course” in military science.

    Despite the success in repelling the Nazis from Moscow in December 1941, the series of defeats continued into the first half of 1942. Germans took some of the vital agricultural areas and came close to seizing Stalingrad (now Volgograd) on the Volga and occupying North Caucasus. The situation at the front began to improve for the Soviets only from around August 1942. Significantly, this turnaround coincided with the establishment of the post of deputy to commander in chief and the appointment of Army General Georgy Zhukov to it. From that time on, Stalin increasingly relied on his deputy’s superior military knowledge and expertise in planning military operations.
     
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  187. Unkhan says:

    I am delighted to see Pat Lang’s article here at the Unz Review.

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  188. iffen says:

    The tribal fealty trumps reason.

    Tribal fealty can be (and frequently is and has been) rational and reasonable.

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  189. annamaria says:

    The war-profiteering fools’ main achievement: http://thesaker.is/a-curious-incident-part-xi/
    “An entire generation of Middle Eastern youth is now entering adulthood knowing only the misery of war, a series of destructive conflicts caused by intervening foreign armies. The rich citizens of the west have wreaked unimaginable pain and suffering, destroyed entire functioning societies, and have done so because death and destruction is the enlightened way to “democracy” and “freedom.”
    The “deciders” have an illusion of being protected from the vagaries afflicting “small people.” No way. The “deciders”‘ children and grandchildren are already affected by the consequences of their stupid elders’ crimes. There are more problems ahead — named after the Cheney-Bush-Bair criminal triumvirate.

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    Ah, The Saker.

    It's incredible the attention this obvious Provocateur receives. He really knows how to Play It, I'll give him that.

    I have no doubt, being a descendant of White Russians, The Saker has a particular fondness for Ivan Ilyin, as does Putin, and I think Ilyin is the Tie that Binds The Saker and Putin and Fascists everywhere it seems.

    This article explains.

    Ivan Ilyin, Putin’s Philosopher of Russian Fascism

    Putin’s reinterment of Ilyin’s remains was a mystical release from this contradiction. Ilyin had been expelled from Russia by the Soviet security service; his corpse was reburied alongside the remains of its victims. Putin had Ilyin’s corpse interred at a monastery where the NKVD, the heir to the Cheka and the predecessor of the KGB, had interred the ashes of thousands of Soviet citizens executed in the Great Terror. When Putin later visited the site to lay flowers on Ilyin’s grave, he was in the company of an Orthodox monk who saw the NKVD executioners as Russian patriots and therefore good men. At the time of the reburial, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church was a man who had previously served the KGB as an agent. After all, Ilyin’s justification for mass murder was the same as that of the Bolsheviks: the defense of an absolute good. As critics of his second book in the 1920s put it, Ilyin was a “Chekist for God.” He was reburied as such, with all possible honors conferred by the Chekists and by the men of God—and by the men of God who were Chekists, and by the Chekists who were men of God.

    Ilyin was returned, body and soul, to the Russia he had been forced to leave. And that very return, in its inattention to contradiction, in its disregard of fact, was the purest expression of respect for his legacy. To be sure, Ilyin opposed the Soviet system. Yet, once the USSR ceased to exist in 1991, it was history—and the past, for Ilyin, was nothing but cognitive raw material for a literature of eternal virtue. Modifying Ilyin’s views about Russian innocence ever so slightly, Russian leaders could see the Soviet Union not as a foreign imposition upon Russia, as Ilyin had, but rather as Russia itself, and so virtuous despite appearances. Any faults of the Soviet system became necessary Russian reactions to the prior hostility of the West.

    Ilyin’s arguments were everywhere as Russian troops entered Ukraine multiple times in 2014. As soldiers received their mobilization orders for the invasion of the Ukraine’s Crimean province in January 2014, all of Russia’s high-ranking bureaucrats and regional governors were sent a copy of Ilyin’s Our Tasks. After Russian troops occupied Crimea and the Russian parliament voted for annexation, Putin cited Ilyin again as justification. The Russian commander sent to oversee the second major movement of Russian troops into Ukraine, to the southeastern provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk in summer 2014, described the war’s final goal in terms that Ilyin would have understood: “If the world were saved from demonic constructions such as the United States, it would be easier for everyone to live. And one of these days it will happen.”

    Anyone following Russian politics could see in early 2016 that the Russian elite preferred Donald Trump to become the Republican nominee for president and then to defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election. In the spring of that year, Russian military intelligence was boasting of an effort to help Trump win. In the Russian assault on American democracy that followed, the main weapon was falsehood. Donald Trump is another masculinity-challenged kleptocrat from the realm of fiction, in his case that of reality television. His campaign was helped by the elaborate untruths that Russia distributed about his opponent. In office, Trump imitates Putin in his pursuit of political post-truth: first filling the public sphere with lies, then blaming the institutions whose purpose is to seek facts, and finally rejoicing in the resulting confusion. Russian assistance to Trump weakened American trust in the institutions that Russia has been unable to build. Such trust was already in decline, thanks to America’s own media culture and growing inequality.

    Ilyin meant to be the prophet of our age, the post-Soviet age, and perhaps he is. His disbelief in this world allows politics to take place in a fictional one. He made of lawlessness a virtue so pure as to be invisible, and so absolute as to demand the destruction of the West. He shows us how fragile masculinity generates enemies, how perverted Christianity rejects Jesus, how economic inequality imitates innocence, and how fascist ideas flow into the postmodern. This is no longer just Russian philosophy. It is now American life.
     
    The Enemy of my Enemy is not necessarily my Friend. In the case of The Saker and Putin, they are not my Friends, and if they're your Friends, perhaps you need to think twice about their Designs & Intentions.
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  190. @Miro23

    The Nazis were at Moscow’s Doorstep and Stalin was all set to flee the Russian Capital to a Spider Hole in the Countryside when at the last minute, or second actually, he decided to remain and tough it out.
     
    No he didn't - he had a nervous breakdown.

    Either way, after three days, a small delegation came knocking at his door. Headed by Molotov (pictured to Stalin’s right), Lavrentii Beria(Stalin’s Chief of Secret Police), Kliment Voroshilov (Defence, to Stalin’s left) and Anastas Mikoyan (Foreign Trade), they found Stalin sitting at his desk. He had on his face a look of fear. Mikoyan later wrote, “I have no doubt – he decided we had come to arrest him.” Stalin was looking thinner, haggard and hadn’t changed his clothes.

    “Why have you come?” he asked.

    Molotov stepped forward, “We’re asking you to return to work.”
     
    http://www.historyinanhour.com/2011/07/01/stalins-breakdown/

    Your timing is off. That Sabbatical wasn’t related to his stand in Moscow from a Timing Perspective, however, I have no doubt it informed his decision to stay in Moscow and tough it out. If Stalin was Hitler, Stalin would have gone into an underground bunker and suicided himself and had his body burned. But Stalin was not Hitler, even though both were equally ruthless in their own right.

    It’s conjectured he had a Nervous Breakdown. We’ll never know. Maybe he did, or maybe his Sabbatical was more calculated. Those Organic Street Smarts sensed a Coup brewing, considering his paralytic non-response to Hitler’s aggression, and he wanted to draw out the Conspirators. No Coup was forthcoming and those who would be Conspirators were instead his Loyal Champions.

    What his Sabbatical proved to him was the Loyalty of his closest Advisors & Confidantes, or his Yes Men if you will. They pleaded for him to return to his Duty and proclaimed that only he could lead Russia at that time. Afterall, Russia loves its Strong Men as witnessed by its Tzarist History.

    How did Joseph Stalin react to the German invasion during WWII?

    Some historians have even suggested that Stalin suffered some kind of nervous breakdown. Another, less popular theory is that Stalin deliberately withdrew from the scene, to avoid being ousted from power. When he saw that no one was about to challenge his authority he decided to take control of the situation. [9]

    As for Stalin and War Experience, give me a break. A Token Leadership Position in Russia’s Internecine Civil Skirmishes, as bloody as they may have been, does not a War Expert make.

    The following describes it adequately.

    Stalin as a Military Leader

    Stalin’s reputation as a military leader is a hotly contested issue. He appointed himself the People’s Commissar for Defense in July 1941 and the commander in chief of the Soviet armed forces in August. As commander in chief, Stalin presided over the Supreme Command headquarters charged with the overall supervision, planning, and coordination of all military operations. Stalin possessed certain qualities, including a sharp memory, the ability to get to the root of the matter, and tremendous willpower, that distinguish military leaders.

    However, he lacked formal military education and military experience. Too often Stalin relied on the crude tactics of throwing masses of soldiers into frontal attacks that resulted in the prodigal waste of manpower. Many commentators blame Stalin for the incompetent meddling in military decision making during the first year of the war and for the exorbitant cost that the Red Army paid for their commander in chief’s “crash course” in military science.

    Despite the success in repelling the Nazis from Moscow in December 1941, the series of defeats continued into the first half of 1942. Germans took some of the vital agricultural areas and came close to seizing Stalingrad (now Volgograd) on the Volga and occupying North Caucasus. The situation at the front began to improve for the Soviets only from around August 1942. Significantly, this turnaround coincided with the establishment of the post of deputy to commander in chief and the appointment of Army General Georgy Zhukov to it. From that time on, Stalin increasingly relied on his deputy’s superior military knowledge and expertise in planning military operations.

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    The situation at the front began to improve for the Soviets only from around August 1942. Significantly, this turnaround coincided with the establishment of the post of deputy to commander in chief and the appointment of Army General Georgy Zhukov to it. From that time on, Stalin increasingly relied on his deputy’s superior military knowledge and expertise in planning military operations.
     
    That's true enough. Apparently Zhukov was the decisive voice on the acceptance of the successful strategic plan for the encirclement of German 6th Army at Stalingrad in November 1942 - overriding Stalin's doubts - but Stalin did make it clear that Zhukov's head depended on a positive result.
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  191. annamaria says:

    The presstitutes are in a panic mode: http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/19/technology/youtube-ads-extreme-content-investigation/index.html
    The whoring Paul P. Murphy, Kaya Yurieff, and Gianluca Mezzofiore play three imbeciles that have discovered (oh, horror!) that The Jimmy Dore Show does not comply with the “deciders” orders:
    “The Jimmy Dore Show channel, a far-left YouTube channel that peddles conspiracy theories, such as the idea that Syrian chemical weapons attacks are hoaxes.”
    Could you imagine? — Jimmy dares to question the pronouncement of the US-funded White Helmets and the whole CIA-guided establishment at the MSM, including the whoring CNN and The New York Times!
    Poor Murphy, Yurieff, and Mezzofiore are terrified of the reality where the intelligent people with integrity rely on the facts and pursue the truth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

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  192. @annamaria
    The war-profiteering fools' main achievement: http://thesaker.is/a-curious-incident-part-xi/
    "An entire generation of Middle Eastern youth is now entering adulthood knowing only the misery of war, a series of destructive conflicts caused by intervening foreign armies. The rich citizens of the west have wreaked unimaginable pain and suffering, destroyed entire functioning societies, and have done so because death and destruction is the enlightened way to “democracy” and “freedom.”
    The "deciders" have an illusion of being protected from the vagaries afflicting "small people." No way. The "deciders"' children and grandchildren are already affected by the consequences of their stupid elders' crimes. There are more problems ahead -- named after the Cheney-Bush-Bair criminal triumvirate.

    Ah, The Saker.

    It’s incredible the attention this obvious Provocateur receives. He really knows how to Play It, I’ll give him that.

    I have no doubt, being a descendant of White Russians, The Saker has a particular fondness for Ivan Ilyin, as does Putin, and I think Ilyin is the Tie that Binds The Saker and Putin and Fascists everywhere it seems.

    This article explains.

    Ivan Ilyin, Putin’s Philosopher of Russian Fascism

    [MORE]

    Putin’s reinterment of Ilyin’s remains was a mystical release from this contradiction. Ilyin had been expelled from Russia by the Soviet security service; his corpse was reburied alongside the remains of its victims. Putin had Ilyin’s corpse interred at a monastery where the NKVD, the heir to the Cheka and the predecessor of the KGB, had interred the ashes of thousands of Soviet citizens executed in the Great Terror. When Putin later visited the site to lay flowers on Ilyin’s grave, he was in the company of an Orthodox monk who saw the NKVD executioners as Russian patriots and therefore good men. At the time of the reburial, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church was a man who had previously served the KGB as an agent. After all, Ilyin’s justification for mass murder was the same as that of the Bolsheviks: the defense of an absolute good. As critics of his second book in the 1920s put it, Ilyin was a “Chekist for God.” He was reburied as such, with all possible honors conferred by the Chekists and by the men of God—and by the men of God who were Chekists, and by the Chekists who were men of God.

    Ilyin was returned, body and soul, to the Russia he had been forced to leave. And that very return, in its inattention to contradiction, in its disregard of fact, was the purest expression of respect for his legacy. To be sure, Ilyin opposed the Soviet system. Yet, once the USSR ceased to exist in 1991, it was history—and the past, for Ilyin, was nothing but cognitive raw material for a literature of eternal virtue. Modifying Ilyin’s views about Russian innocence ever so slightly, Russian leaders could see the Soviet Union not as a foreign imposition upon Russia, as Ilyin had, but rather as Russia itself, and so virtuous despite appearances. Any faults of the Soviet system became necessary Russian reactions to the prior hostility of the West.

    Ilyin’s arguments were everywhere as Russian troops entered Ukraine multiple times in 2014. As soldiers received their mobilization orders for the invasion of the Ukraine’s Crimean province in January 2014, all of Russia’s high-ranking bureaucrats and regional governors were sent a copy of Ilyin’s Our Tasks. After Russian troops occupied Crimea and the Russian parliament voted for annexation, Putin cited Ilyin again as justification. The Russian commander sent to oversee the second major movement of Russian troops into Ukraine, to the southeastern provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk in summer 2014, described the war’s final goal in terms that Ilyin would have understood: “If the world were saved from demonic constructions such as the United States, it would be easier for everyone to live. And one of these days it will happen.”

    Anyone following Russian politics could see in early 2016 that the Russian elite preferred Donald Trump to become the Republican nominee for president and then to defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election. In the spring of that year, Russian military intelligence was boasting of an effort to help Trump win. In the Russian assault on American democracy that followed, the main weapon was falsehood. Donald Trump is another masculinity-challenged kleptocrat from the realm of fiction, in his case that of reality television. His campaign was helped by the elaborate untruths that Russia distributed about his opponent. In office, Trump imitates Putin in his pursuit of political post-truth: first filling the public sphere with lies, then blaming the institutions whose purpose is to seek facts, and finally rejoicing in the resulting confusion. Russian assistance to Trump weakened American trust in the institutions that Russia has been unable to build. Such trust was already in decline, thanks to America’s own media culture and growing inequality.

    Ilyin meant to be the prophet of our age, the post-Soviet age, and perhaps he is. His disbelief in this world allows politics to take place in a fictional one. He made of lawlessness a virtue so pure as to be invisible, and so absolute as to demand the destruction of the West. He shows us how fragile masculinity generates enemies, how perverted Christianity rejects Jesus, how economic inequality imitates innocence, and how fascist ideas flow into the postmodern. This is no longer just Russian philosophy. It is now American life.

    The Enemy of my Enemy is not necessarily my Friend. In the case of The Saker and Putin, they are not my Friends, and if they’re your Friends, perhaps you need to think twice about their Designs & Intentions.

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  193. annamaria says:

    Know the important presstitutes: https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/28/unpacking-the-shadowy-outfit-behind-2017s-biggest-fake-news-story/
    “Unpacking the Shadowy Outfit Behind 2017’s Biggest Fake News Story:” propornot

    Michael Weiss is the Editor-in-Chief at the InterpreterMag.com. According to his Linkd profile, he is also a National Security Analyst for CNN since July 2017 as well as an Investigative Reporter for International Affairs for CNN since April 2017. He has been a contributor there since 2015. He has been a Senior Editor at The Daily Beast since June 2015.
    Catherine A. Fitzpatrick is a Russian translator and analyst for the Interpreter. She has worked as an editor for EurasiaNet.org and the former Cold War project funded by the CIA, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL).
    Pierre Vaux is an analyst and translator for the Interpreter. He is a contributor to the Daily Beast, Foreign Policy, RFE/RL and Left Foot Forward and works at Dataminr Inc.
    James Miller is a Managing Editor of The Interpreter where he reports on Russia, Ukraine, and Syria. He is a contributor at Reuters, The Daily Beast, Foreign Policy, and other publications. Miller also works for the U.S. Embassy in Kiev “diplo-page” the Kiev Post.
    The Interpreter is a product of the Atlantic Council. Fellows working with the Atlantic Council in this area include:
    Bellingcat – Aric Toler and Eliot Higgins – This linked article shows how an underwear salesman became one of the most important faces of the deep state.
    Anne Applebaum – a committed Russophobe
    Irena Chalupa – a sister of Alexandra Chalupa that brought the term Russian hacking to worldwide attention. Irena Chalupa is a nonresident fellow with the Atlantic Council’s Dinu Patriciu Eurasia Center. She works with and for Ukrainian Intelligence through the Atlantic Council, Stopfake.org, and her sisters Andrea (EuromaidanPR) and Alexandra.
    Dimitry Alperovich – a CEO of Crowdstrike and a person who guessed Russia may have hacked something, somewhere, sometime.

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  194. Miro23 says:
    @Cold N. Holefield
    Your timing is off. That Sabbatical wasn't related to his stand in Moscow from a Timing Perspective, however, I have no doubt it informed his decision to stay in Moscow and tough it out. If Stalin was Hitler, Stalin would have gone into an underground bunker and suicided himself and had his body burned. But Stalin was not Hitler, even though both were equally ruthless in their own right.

    It's conjectured he had a Nervous Breakdown. We'll never know. Maybe he did, or maybe his Sabbatical was more calculated. Those Organic Street Smarts sensed a Coup brewing, considering his paralytic non-response to Hitler's aggression, and he wanted to draw out the Conspirators. No Coup was forthcoming and those who would be Conspirators were instead his Loyal Champions.

    What his Sabbatical proved to him was the Loyalty of his closest Advisors & Confidantes, or his Yes Men if you will. They pleaded for him to return to his Duty and proclaimed that only he could lead Russia at that time. Afterall, Russia loves its Strong Men as witnessed by its Tzarist History.

    How did Joseph Stalin react to the German invasion during WWII?

    Some historians have even suggested that Stalin suffered some kind of nervous breakdown. Another, less popular theory is that Stalin deliberately withdrew from the scene, to avoid being ousted from power. When he saw that no one was about to challenge his authority he decided to take control of the situation. [9]
     
    As for Stalin and War Experience, give me a break. A Token Leadership Position in Russia's Internecine Civil Skirmishes, as bloody as they may have been, does not a War Expert make.

    The following describes it adequately.

    Stalin as a Military Leader

    Stalin’s reputation as a military leader is a hotly contested issue. He appointed himself the People’s Commissar for Defense in July 1941 and the commander in chief of the Soviet armed forces in August. As commander in chief, Stalin presided over the Supreme Command headquarters charged with the overall supervision, planning, and coordination of all military operations. Stalin possessed certain qualities, including a sharp memory, the ability to get to the root of the matter, and tremendous willpower, that distinguish military leaders.

    However, he lacked formal military education and military experience. Too often Stalin relied on the crude tactics of throwing masses of soldiers into frontal attacks that resulted in the prodigal waste of manpower. Many commentators blame Stalin for the incompetent meddling in military decision making during the first year of the war and for the exorbitant cost that the Red Army paid for their commander in chief’s “crash course” in military science.

    Despite the success in repelling the Nazis from Moscow in December 1941, the series of defeats continued into the first half of 1942. Germans took some of the vital agricultural areas and came close to seizing Stalingrad (now Volgograd) on the Volga and occupying North Caucasus. The situation at the front began to improve for the Soviets only from around August 1942. Significantly, this turnaround coincided with the establishment of the post of deputy to commander in chief and the appointment of Army General Georgy Zhukov to it. From that time on, Stalin increasingly relied on his deputy’s superior military knowledge and expertise in planning military operations.
     

    The situation at the front began to improve for the Soviets only from around August 1942. Significantly, this turnaround coincided with the establishment of the post of deputy to commander in chief and the appointment of Army General Georgy Zhukov to it. From that time on, Stalin increasingly relied on his deputy’s superior military knowledge and expertise in planning military operations.

    That’s true enough. Apparently Zhukov was the decisive voice on the acceptance of the successful strategic plan for the encirclement of German 6th Army at Stalingrad in November 1942 – overriding Stalin’s doubts – but Stalin did make it clear that Zhukov’s head depended on a positive result.

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  195. annamaria says:

    “War is Good for Business”: Insider Trading, Secret Information and the US-led Attack against Syria” by Michel Chossudovsky: https://www.globalresearch.ca/war-is-good-for-business-insider-trading-secret-information-and-the-us-led-attack-against-syria/5637056
    “Did a handful of powerful financial operators have secret information (handed to them by politicians in high office) which enabled them to predict the outcome and “place their financial bets” on a rise in the stock values of major defense contractors? …
    Are we talking about billions of dollars accruing to the families and/ or cronies of top US, UK, French government officials? The bonanza earnings resulting from equity transactions as well as the trade in options needs to be carefully assessed.
    Powerful financial actors have access to foreknowledge pertaining to crucial political and military decisions (e.g. through their social ties to politicians).”
    — The western arsonists are OK with the upcoming catastrophe prepared by the warmongering rhetoric.

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  196. @iffen
    I don’t know what disorder you’re afflicted with

    It's the one where I think I'm sane, normal and rational while most everyone else is looney.

    Well, shit. I thought we all suffered from that one. I’m eaten up with it myself.

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  197. Parbes says:
    @anonymous
    Can our side develop a special "Doxing" team to publish the personal information of where the worst Zio Neoconservative lying war mongers live, hang out, play golf.

    I want to confront John Bolton, Karl Rove, David Frum on the 10th T of some posh golf course. I will be with a one legged "wounded warrior" from the US war for "Freedom and Democracy" in Iraq.

    Or maybe try to do an improvised chemical weapons attack some Neo Con's vacation home in the Hamptons - or just dunk the punks underwater in a chlorine treated swimming pool in Georgetown.

    We have to make this personal and personally punish the vile, evil, lying Neo Conservative, Zionist, Cuckservative war mongers that have slaughtered hundreds of thousands and set off a migrant invasion that will overwhelm Western Europe, UK the West.

    But, that's the whole point isn't it:

    Invade the world for Israel and the Saudi Sunni Islamist royals (ISIS)
    Invite the world - mass migration invasions of North Africans, Sub Sahara Black Africans, Pakistani/Afhan mountain rapists, throat cutters
    In Hoc to the Federal Reserve Banking cartel, China to pay for all this sh**

    And then the same tribe's Media Mafia gets to distract our proles with endless TV shows like "Maury"

    "Jamal - you ARE the father".

    But, some good news in Central Europe and Russia. Mother Russia is looking rather good I must say.

    EXACTLY.

    PERSONALIZED, INDIVIDUALIZED punishment is needed for the neocon criminals and their MSM stooges. Nothing else will stop or dissuade them from continuing with what they have been doing. These psychopaths are the enemies of BOTH the Western peoples AND the rest of humanity.

    They have been getting off scot-free for three decades now. That scot-freeness has got to END.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "PERSONALIZED, INDIVIDUALIZED punishment is needed for the neocon criminals and their MSM stooges"
    -- Agree. The ill-gotten fortunes must be reappropriated from the criminals' progeny and invested into the restoration of the damaged countries.
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  198. Vojkan says:
    @Patrick Lang
    I have pointed at Zionist interest many times as the root cause of destructive US policy in the ME Have you ever read anything by me? I think not. nevertheles it is not the case that Zionism and neoconism are the same thing. Neoconism has a broader agenda than mere Zionism

    What we know as neoconism today has existed before Israel came into existence. I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
    Neocons have more to do with Trotsky than with Zionism, there are overlapping interests but I think Israel just happens to be a convenient anchor point and a way to enlist wealthy Zionist Jews rather than an end in itself. Leading neocons are Jews indeed but Trotsky too was a Jew and he was no Zionist. If neocons judge that Israel has become an impediment to the fulfilment of their ambitions, it is not implausible that they become much less supportive of Israeli policies.
    I’d say that neocons are simply the latest instance of men suffering from a God complex while Zionism is somewhat less ambitious. Neocons are the real threat to the world, Israel is merely an annoyance. It is far more important to stop the neocons than to stop Israel.

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    I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
     
    Nice try. Neocons, like most liberal Jews, were originally leftists who crossed over the political divide because they realized, especially after witnessing The Left's resistance to the Vietnam War, progressivism would lead to a non-interventionist US foreign policy, spelling disaster for the Jewish state. In other words, Israel is the neocons raison d'être... without it, they would rejoin most of their brethren who reside on the left of the political spectrum. If you require proof of this, just look at how the neocons easily switched over to the Democrats and HC during the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump promised to end the regime-change wars. That's because the only thing conservative about the neoconservatives is their support for a more hawkish foreign policy, for the benefit of the Jewish state.
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  199. geokat62 says:
    @Vojkan
    What we know as neoconism today has existed before Israel came into existence. I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
    Neocons have more to do with Trotsky than with Zionism, there are overlapping interests but I think Israel just happens to be a convenient anchor point and a way to enlist wealthy Zionist Jews rather than an end in itself. Leading neocons are Jews indeed but Trotsky too was a Jew and he was no Zionist. If neocons judge that Israel has become an impediment to the fulfilment of their ambitions, it is not implausible that they become much less supportive of Israeli policies.
    I'd say that neocons are simply the latest instance of men suffering from a God complex while Zionism is somewhat less ambitious. Neocons are the real threat to the world, Israel is merely an annoyance. It is far more important to stop the neocons than to stop Israel.

    I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.

    Nice try. Neocons, like most liberal Jews, were originally leftists who crossed over the political divide because they realized, especially after witnessing The Left’s resistance to the Vietnam War, progressivism would lead to a non-interventionist US foreign policy, spelling disaster for the Jewish state. In other words, Israel is the neocons raison d’être… without it, they would rejoin most of their brethren who reside on the left of the political spectrum. If you require proof of this, just look at how the neocons easily switched over to the Democrats and HC during the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump promised to end the regime-change wars. That’s because the only thing conservative about the neoconservatives is their support for a more hawkish foreign policy, for the benefit of the Jewish state.

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    • Replies: @Vojkan
    Neocons would be neocons with or without Israel. The tribal aspect is undisputable, there are overlapping interests, but the goals are different. For neocons, as for Soros progressives who are also far from being all Zionists, it's global domination, for Zionists, it's Greater Israel, which does btw encompass more land than just the mythical Eretz Israel.
    Obviously, the neocons' God complex has a lot to do with being "the chosen people" and obviously their rise to prominence wouldn't have been possible without help from fellow "chosen people" so it's not such a bad idea to root for Israel, but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn't help at all achieve the Zionists' goals. The latter don't put all their eggs in one basket, and they do in fact have a lot of activity in the back of their American protector but if the USA goes down, the neocons / Soros liberals are gone too.
    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel - though they'd have to find other ways to pominence than Zionist money -, they're both phenomenons of the same tribe but one can be contained and can be made to accomodate itself with that containment, the others represent a real threat to Planet Earth. The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.
    , @Anonymous
    Very good post.
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  200. annamaria says:
    @Parbes
    EXACTLY.

    PERSONALIZED, INDIVIDUALIZED punishment is needed for the neocon criminals and their MSM stooges. Nothing else will stop or dissuade them from continuing with what they have been doing. These psychopaths are the enemies of BOTH the Western peoples AND the rest of humanity.

    They have been getting off scot-free for three decades now. That scot-freeness has got to END.

    “PERSONALIZED, INDIVIDUALIZED punishment is needed for the neocon criminals and their MSM stooges”
    – Agree. The ill-gotten fortunes must be reappropriated from the criminals’ progeny and invested into the restoration of the damaged countries.

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    IN ADDITION to the punishment of the criminals themselves.
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  201. Vojkan says:
    @geokat62

    I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
     
    Nice try. Neocons, like most liberal Jews, were originally leftists who crossed over the political divide because they realized, especially after witnessing The Left's resistance to the Vietnam War, progressivism would lead to a non-interventionist US foreign policy, spelling disaster for the Jewish state. In other words, Israel is the neocons raison d'être... without it, they would rejoin most of their brethren who reside on the left of the political spectrum. If you require proof of this, just look at how the neocons easily switched over to the Democrats and HC during the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump promised to end the regime-change wars. That's because the only thing conservative about the neoconservatives is their support for a more hawkish foreign policy, for the benefit of the Jewish state.

    Neocons would be neocons with or without Israel. The tribal aspect is undisputable, there are overlapping interests, but the goals are different. For neocons, as for Soros progressives who are also far from being all Zionists, it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel, which does btw encompass more land than just the mythical Eretz Israel.
    Obviously, the neocons’ God complex has a lot to do with being “the chosen people” and obviously their rise to prominence wouldn’t have been possible without help from fellow “chosen people” so it’s not such a bad idea to root for Israel, but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals. The latter don’t put all their eggs in one basket, and they do in fact have a lot of activity in the back of their American protector but if the USA goes down, the neocons / Soros liberals are gone too.
    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel – though they’d have to find other ways to pominence than Zionist money -, they’re both phenomenons of the same tribe but one can be contained and can be made to accomodate itself with that containment, the others represent a real threat to Planet Earth. The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.

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    For neocons,... it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel...
     
    Global domination for neocons is not an end in itself, it is a means to an end... and that end is the enhancement of the security of the Jewish state.

    ... but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals.
     
    Surely, you jest. The neocons like Robert Kaganovitch and his wife Victoria Nudelman, Willian Kristol, David Frum, etc, are obsessed with Russia as Russia is the sponsor of both Iran and Syria, which supply Hezbollah the means by which to keep Israel out of Lebanon.

    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel
     
    While the former is true, the latter isn’t.

    The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.
     
    On this, we both can agree.
    , @Anonymous
    It's a package deal. If they take out Russia, global domination is virtually assured and Israel will get the World's crown sooner or later. At the heart of it there's a messianic lunacy and that's why we're facing WW3 at, say, 90% probability.
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  202. geokat62 says:
    @Vojkan
    Neocons would be neocons with or without Israel. The tribal aspect is undisputable, there are overlapping interests, but the goals are different. For neocons, as for Soros progressives who are also far from being all Zionists, it's global domination, for Zionists, it's Greater Israel, which does btw encompass more land than just the mythical Eretz Israel.
    Obviously, the neocons' God complex has a lot to do with being "the chosen people" and obviously their rise to prominence wouldn't have been possible without help from fellow "chosen people" so it's not such a bad idea to root for Israel, but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn't help at all achieve the Zionists' goals. The latter don't put all their eggs in one basket, and they do in fact have a lot of activity in the back of their American protector but if the USA goes down, the neocons / Soros liberals are gone too.
    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel - though they'd have to find other ways to pominence than Zionist money -, they're both phenomenons of the same tribe but one can be contained and can be made to accomodate itself with that containment, the others represent a real threat to Planet Earth. The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.

    For neocons,… it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel…

    Global domination for neocons is not an end in itself, it is a means to an end… and that end is the enhancement of the security of the Jewish state.

    … but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals.

    Surely, you jest. The neocons like Robert Kaganovitch and his wife Victoria Nudelman, Willian Kristol, David Frum, etc, are obsessed with Russia as Russia is the sponsor of both Iran and Syria, which supply Hezbollah the means by which to keep Israel out of Lebanon.

    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel

    While the former is true, the latter isn’t.

    The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.

    On this, we both can agree.

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    If the US and its suppletives take on Russia, Israel becomes fair game. So to take out Russia, neocons would have to sacrify Israel. That's where the Khazars diverge from mainstream Zionism. What's the use of being God's "chosen people" if you don't rule the world but then what's the use of ruling the world if there is no Israel?
    Zionist support of neocon agenda may well terminate their beloved creature's existence in the ME so they should think twice before pushing their US vassal to attack Russia.
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  203. Z-man says:

    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel –

    Isruel would not exist without the USA and the fact that they have 100 nukes, the Samson option.

    Targeted assassinations, the Jews do it, the anti Zionist movement should do it also. Oye vey do I have a list. (Grin) Surprisingly many are shabbos goys.

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    Israel can exist without the USA. Nukes are a pretty good life insurance. How it would fare without US taxpayers' money is another matter. You should bear in mind though that Jews rule the banks, the media, the entertainment, the justice, and the education in the whole Western world, not only in the US.
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  204. Parbes says:
    @annamaria
    "PERSONALIZED, INDIVIDUALIZED punishment is needed for the neocon criminals and their MSM stooges"
    -- Agree. The ill-gotten fortunes must be reappropriated from the criminals' progeny and invested into the restoration of the damaged countries.

    IN ADDITION to the punishment of the criminals themselves.

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  205. Heros says:

    Like the Yankee coward he is, Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with. This is typical Yankee behavior, cowardly running away and then crowing about victory once they are certain their opponents can no longer reach them.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/commenter-delusions.html#disqus_thread

    Lang lightly addresses a few comments in this post from the safety of his own blog, but he ignores the stinky pile of elephant dung following him where ever he goes: War Crimes.

    Every year they seem to drag up another poor conscripted German labor camp guard, who as a teenager in 1945 is still somehow guilty of war crimes now. These guys weren’t even officers.

    Lang was in intelligence during Vietnam, when operation Pheonix was in force, which was the equivalent to the Nazi Einsatzgruppen. As the years have passed and the lies have slowly been pealed back about things like Tonkin and the secret bombings, it becomes clear to all non-Yankees that these were egregious war crimes and crimes against humanity. If we consider the complete aftermath of Pol Pot and the fall of Vietnam, the US army has more deaths and crimes to atone for than the German army did, without even considering what has gone on in the middle east since the US recognized Israel, a “country” with no official borders.

    The problem is that there are millions of Yankee war criminals in the US collecting pensions, getting paid for appearances on talk shows, and basking in all that gratitude for their service. Even worse, they form little clubs, like SST, where they pat each other on the back and exchange tidbits of war criminal manna. I am referring to “intelligence”.

    This entire Comey/McCabe/Muller/Clinton kubuki theatre that we are forced to endure revolves around “classified” information. Information that only these insiders are allowed to know about, which is clearly sold and leaked at will by those at the top of the food chain. This is the military war criminal manna. They can use and profit from this secret knowledge for decades after they have left “service”.

    In Lang’s case, he can post juicy tidbits on his blog that he shares with other insider Yankee war criminals and know that the public will come to learn these great secrets, despite the abuse he heaps on anyone who questions anything they are told because of his deep insider knowledge.

    So now that we finally know what a sham all this “top secret” information is, I would propose that it be used a the criteria for determining war crimes when the US finally faces judgment on the misery she has created for humanity. Low level security clearance means a couple of very hungry years in a re-education camp. High level security clearance means testicle crushing to extract forced confessions.

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    Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with.
     
    Not before making an ass of himself in this comment section.

    His loss. That's why unz.com is growing and the colonel's blog is a tiny circle-jerk, like a thousand other circle-jerks on the WWW. The supply-demand ratio is not in his favour. Ah, well...
    , @RobinG
    Whew! Thanks for the link. I'd like to claim the title of "more zany commenter" for coining the phrase 'corpses in his closet' ... but that honor goes to bjondo. ["In addition to corpses in his closet, wonder how much looted Russian loot in his off-shore account(s)?"]

    Trouble is, bjondo and I were referring to Jeffrey Sachs. Pat Lang must believe every comment under his article is about him. Sad. One can only hope he reads his “top secret” “classified” information more carefully.

    Meanwhile, he chose not to respond to my genuine concern. Why is he entitled (if he did) to castigate Larry Wilkerson...[pot calling kettle].? Why should Lang be forgiven, Wilkerson not? And BTW, Lang seems to have no remorse, so why forgive him at all?

    As for the rest of his "Commenter Delusions" you're quite right, Heros. Seems the man won't tolerate to hear any other view than precisely his own.
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  206. annamaria says:

    Rumors about the intelligence and impeccable honesty of the Brits are highly exaggerated: “The Skripal Affair: A Lie Too Far? by Michael Jabara Carley” http://www.voltairenet.org/article200813.html
    “The Russian government, in fact, proposed that the alleged poisoning of the Skripals should be examined by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague, according to procedures to which Britain itself had agreed when the OPCW was established in 1997. …

    The British attempted hijacking of the OPCW has compromised its independence… Moreover, since the BZ toxin is made by the US, Britain and other NATO countries, it begs the same questions, which the Tories put to Moscow: How did the perpetrators obtain the BZ toxin and bring it to Salisbury? Did MI5 or MI6 authorise a false flag attack against the Skripals, or was it authorised by the British cabinet or by the prime minister alone? Or did British authorities lose control of their stockpiles? The trail of evidence does not lead to Moscow; it leads to London.

    A prima facie case can be made that the British government is lying about the Skripal affaire. … British authorities are now saying that they have other top-secret evidence, which explains everything, but unfortunately, it can’t be publicised. …

    Given all the evidence, can any person with reasonable abilities to think critically believe anything the Tories are saying about the Salisbury affair?
    “They are liars. And they know that they are liars,” the late Egyptian writer and Nobel laureate Naguib Mahfouz once wrote: “And we know that they are liars. Even so, they keep lying….” Mahfouz was not writing about the British, but all the same, he could have been. Are not his well-known lines apposite to the present government in London?”

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  207. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
     
    Nice try. Neocons, like most liberal Jews, were originally leftists who crossed over the political divide because they realized, especially after witnessing The Left's resistance to the Vietnam War, progressivism would lead to a non-interventionist US foreign policy, spelling disaster for the Jewish state. In other words, Israel is the neocons raison d'être... without it, they would rejoin most of their brethren who reside on the left of the political spectrum. If you require proof of this, just look at how the neocons easily switched over to the Democrats and HC during the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump promised to end the regime-change wars. That's because the only thing conservative about the neoconservatives is their support for a more hawkish foreign policy, for the benefit of the Jewish state.

    Very good post.

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    Thanks
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  208. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vojkan
    Neocons would be neocons with or without Israel. The tribal aspect is undisputable, there are overlapping interests, but the goals are different. For neocons, as for Soros progressives who are also far from being all Zionists, it's global domination, for Zionists, it's Greater Israel, which does btw encompass more land than just the mythical Eretz Israel.
    Obviously, the neocons' God complex has a lot to do with being "the chosen people" and obviously their rise to prominence wouldn't have been possible without help from fellow "chosen people" so it's not such a bad idea to root for Israel, but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn't help at all achieve the Zionists' goals. The latter don't put all their eggs in one basket, and they do in fact have a lot of activity in the back of their American protector but if the USA goes down, the neocons / Soros liberals are gone too.
    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel - though they'd have to find other ways to pominence than Zionist money -, they're both phenomenons of the same tribe but one can be contained and can be made to accomodate itself with that containment, the others represent a real threat to Planet Earth. The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.

    It’s a package deal. If they take out Russia, global domination is virtually assured and Israel will get the World’s crown sooner or later. At the heart of it there’s a messianic lunacy and that’s why we’re facing WW3 at, say, 90% probability.

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    I saw this in the brochure:

    Refuge for the Jews..
    Guard the flank of the Suez for the British..
    Western capitalist power against the Arab Soviet back Socialists for the cold warriors..
    Democracy in the Middle East for Americans..
    Jesus is coming soon for the Evangelicals ..
    Access to oil for the Investment bankers ..

    Something in it for everyone, yay.
    , @Vojkan
    If they take out Russia, Russia will take out Israel so Israel will be a dead king. The Zionists should better reign in the neocons if they want there to be an Israel.
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  209. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros
    Like the Yankee coward he is, Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with. This is typical Yankee behavior, cowardly running away and then crowing about victory once they are certain their opponents can no longer reach them.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/commenter-delusions.html#disqus_thread

    Lang lightly addresses a few comments in this post from the safety of his own blog, but he ignores the stinky pile of elephant dung following him where ever he goes: War Crimes.

    Every year they seem to drag up another poor conscripted German labor camp guard, who as a teenager in 1945 is still somehow guilty of war crimes now. These guys weren't even officers.

    Lang was in intelligence during Vietnam, when operation Pheonix was in force, which was the equivalent to the Nazi Einsatzgruppen. As the years have passed and the lies have slowly been pealed back about things like Tonkin and the secret bombings, it becomes clear to all non-Yankees that these were egregious war crimes and crimes against humanity. If we consider the complete aftermath of Pol Pot and the fall of Vietnam, the US army has more deaths and crimes to atone for than the German army did, without even considering what has gone on in the middle east since the US recognized Israel, a "country" with no official borders.

    The problem is that there are millions of Yankee war criminals in the US collecting pensions, getting paid for appearances on talk shows, and basking in all that gratitude for their service. Even worse, they form little clubs, like SST, where they pat each other on the back and exchange tidbits of war criminal manna. I am referring to "intelligence".

    This entire Comey/McCabe/Muller/Clinton kubuki theatre that we are forced to endure revolves around "classified" information. Information that only these insiders are allowed to know about, which is clearly sold and leaked at will by those at the top of the food chain. This is the military war criminal manna. They can use and profit from this secret knowledge for decades after they have left "service".

    In Lang's case, he can post juicy tidbits on his blog that he shares with other insider Yankee war criminals and know that the public will come to learn these great secrets, despite the abuse he heaps on anyone who questions anything they are told because of his deep insider knowledge.

    So now that we finally know what a sham all this "top secret" information is, I would propose that it be used a the criteria for determining war crimes when the US finally faces judgment on the misery she has created for humanity. Low level security clearance means a couple of very hungry years in a re-education camp. High level security clearance means testicle crushing to extract forced confessions.

    Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with.

    Not before making an ass of himself in this comment section.

    His loss. That’s why unz.com is growing and the colonel’s blog is a tiny circle-jerk, like a thousand other circle-jerks on the WWW. The supply-demand ratio is not in his favour. Ah, well…

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  210. RobinG says:
    @Heros
    Like the Yankee coward he is, Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with. This is typical Yankee behavior, cowardly running away and then crowing about victory once they are certain their opponents can no longer reach them.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/commenter-delusions.html#disqus_thread

    Lang lightly addresses a few comments in this post from the safety of his own blog, but he ignores the stinky pile of elephant dung following him where ever he goes: War Crimes.

    Every year they seem to drag up another poor conscripted German labor camp guard, who as a teenager in 1945 is still somehow guilty of war crimes now. These guys weren't even officers.

    Lang was in intelligence during Vietnam, when operation Pheonix was in force, which was the equivalent to the Nazi Einsatzgruppen. As the years have passed and the lies have slowly been pealed back about things like Tonkin and the secret bombings, it becomes clear to all non-Yankees that these were egregious war crimes and crimes against humanity. If we consider the complete aftermath of Pol Pot and the fall of Vietnam, the US army has more deaths and crimes to atone for than the German army did, without even considering what has gone on in the middle east since the US recognized Israel, a "country" with no official borders.

    The problem is that there are millions of Yankee war criminals in the US collecting pensions, getting paid for appearances on talk shows, and basking in all that gratitude for their service. Even worse, they form little clubs, like SST, where they pat each other on the back and exchange tidbits of war criminal manna. I am referring to "intelligence".

    This entire Comey/McCabe/Muller/Clinton kubuki theatre that we are forced to endure revolves around "classified" information. Information that only these insiders are allowed to know about, which is clearly sold and leaked at will by those at the top of the food chain. This is the military war criminal manna. They can use and profit from this secret knowledge for decades after they have left "service".

    In Lang's case, he can post juicy tidbits on his blog that he shares with other insider Yankee war criminals and know that the public will come to learn these great secrets, despite the abuse he heaps on anyone who questions anything they are told because of his deep insider knowledge.

    So now that we finally know what a sham all this "top secret" information is, I would propose that it be used a the criteria for determining war crimes when the US finally faces judgment on the misery she has created for humanity. Low level security clearance means a couple of very hungry years in a re-education camp. High level security clearance means testicle crushing to extract forced confessions.

    Whew! Thanks for the link. I’d like to claim the title of “more zany commenter” for coining the phrase ‘corpses in his closet’ … but that honor goes to bjondo. ["In addition to corpses in his closet, wonder how much looted Russian loot in his off-shore account(s)?"]

    Trouble is, bjondo and I were referring to Jeffrey Sachs. Pat Lang must believe every comment under his article is about him. Sad. One can only hope he reads his “top secret” “classified” information more carefully.

    Meanwhile, he chose not to respond to my genuine concern. Why is he entitled (if he did) to castigate Larry Wilkerson…[pot calling kettle].? Why should Lang be forgiven, Wilkerson not? And BTW, Lang seems to have no remorse, so why forgive him at all?

    As for the rest of his “Commenter Delusions” you’re quite right, Heros. Seems the man won’t tolerate to hear any other view than precisely his own.

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  211. gwynedd1 says:
    @Anonymous
    It's a package deal. If they take out Russia, global domination is virtually assured and Israel will get the World's crown sooner or later. At the heart of it there's a messianic lunacy and that's why we're facing WW3 at, say, 90% probability.

    I saw this in the brochure:

    Refuge for the Jews..
    Guard the flank of the Suez for the British..
    Western capitalist power against the Arab Soviet back Socialists for the cold warriors..
    Democracy in the Middle East for Americans..
    Jesus is coming soon for the Evangelicals ..
    Access to oil for the Investment bankers ..

    Something in it for everyone, yay.

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  212. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous
    Very good post.

    Thanks

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  213. To Ptrick Lang:
    “The neocons believe so strongly that America must lead the world and mankind forward that they accept the idea that the achievement of human progress justifies any means needed to advance that goal.”
    This statement has thrown me for a loop. It raises a few questions, like:
    What are the neocons?
    Aren`t the neocons Zionists?
    What are the Zionists?
    The neocons/Zionists are for “the achievement of human progress”, now?
    What is “human progress”?
    If neocons are Zionists, how does “America must lead the world and mankind forward” play into this, shouldn`t it state Israel, instead?
    Why is “America must lead the world and mankind forward” seemingly equated with “the achievement of human progress”?
    Why wasn`t it explained that “the end justifies the means” is a fallacious concept, since, if used, “the means” BECOME “the end” (humans, after all, are creatures of habit, in other words, addicts)?
    Thank you.

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    "What is human progress" :

    "Human progress" ALWAYS means the movement towards communism/socialism, the movement towards a bonkers society which is ruled by deranged marxist perfessers, "pussy-hat" crazies and blue-haired, maniac SJWs, with the Cl-clan on top of it all.
    The movement towards a northern version of : Venezuela, with all of it's corruption, pandemonia and mayhem.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
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  214. Vojkan says:
    @geokat62

    For neocons,... it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel...
     
    Global domination for neocons is not an end in itself, it is a means to an end... and that end is the enhancement of the security of the Jewish state.

    ... but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals.
     
    Surely, you jest. The neocons like Robert Kaganovitch and his wife Victoria Nudelman, Willian Kristol, David Frum, etc, are obsessed with Russia as Russia is the sponsor of both Iran and Syria, which supply Hezbollah the means by which to keep Israel out of Lebanon.

    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel
     
    While the former is true, the latter isn’t.

    The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.
     
    On this, we both can agree.

    If the US and its suppletives take on Russia, Israel becomes fair game. So to take out Russia, neocons would have to sacrify Israel. That’s where the Khazars diverge from mainstream Zionism. What’s the use of being God’s “chosen people” if you don’t rule the world but then what’s the use of ruling the world if there is no Israel?
    Zionist support of neocon agenda may well terminate their beloved creature’s existence in the ME so they should think twice before pushing their US vassal to attack Russia.

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  215. Vojkan says:
    @Anonymous
    It's a package deal. If they take out Russia, global domination is virtually assured and Israel will get the World's crown sooner or later. At the heart of it there's a messianic lunacy and that's why we're facing WW3 at, say, 90% probability.

    If they take out Russia, Russia will take out Israel so Israel will be a dead king. The Zionists should better reign in the neocons if they want there to be an Israel.

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  216. Vojkan says:
    @Z-man

    In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel –
     
    Isruel would not exist without the USA and the fact that they have 100 nukes, the Samson option.

    Targeted assassinations, the Jews do it, the anti Zionist movement should do it also. Oye vey do I have a list. (Grin) Surprisingly many are shabbos goys.

    Israel can exist without the USA. Nukes are a pretty good life insurance. How it would fare without US taxpayers’ money is another matter. You should bear in mind though that Jews rule the banks, the media, the entertainment, the justice, and the education in the whole Western world, not only in the US.

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    Nukes aren't defensive weapons and couldn't be used to stop an invasion. Israel could be invaded and taken down much more quickly than any of its neighbors. Only having a defender like the US has allowed Israel to survive this long.
    , @Z-man

    How it would fare without US taxpayers’ money is another matter.
     
    Like I said, without the total subjugation of Americwa to the Zionist project and the 100 Nukes, the Jew-ish state would not exist. Those weapons can be used against Arab capitals, Tehran in direct war or as blackmail also against those targets and Europe. Rome and Berlin come to mind and now Budapest also as Hungary thru Urban has embraced it's Christian past.
    They would get the word out to evacuate any important Jews from those targets and the rest would be the price Judaica would have to pay for Izruel, martyrs.
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  217. @Vojkan
    Israel can exist without the USA. Nukes are a pretty good life insurance. How it would fare without US taxpayers' money is another matter. You should bear in mind though that Jews rule the banks, the media, the entertainment, the justice, and the education in the whole Western world, not only in the US.

    Nukes aren’t defensive weapons and couldn’t be used to stop an invasion. Israel could be invaded and taken down much more quickly than any of its neighbors. Only having a defender like the US has allowed Israel to survive this long.

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    One could argue that Israel being extremely well armed, it doesn't need the US to defend itself against notoriously incompetent Arab armies, and would not hesitate to use nukes against them if it felt they could prevail. Whatever, the US being Jewish owned, questioning the US support of Israel is like questioning the roundness of Earth. As a matter of fact, folks like Phil Giraldi are more on the fringe than flat-earthers in the US. Well, if my grandma' had balls, she'd have been my grandpa'.
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  218. Vojkan says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Nukes aren't defensive weapons and couldn't be used to stop an invasion. Israel could be invaded and taken down much more quickly than any of its neighbors. Only having a defender like the US has allowed Israel to survive this long.

    One could argue that Israel being extremely well armed, it doesn’t need the US to defend itself against notoriously incompetent Arab armies, and would not hesitate to use nukes against them if it felt they could prevail. Whatever, the US being Jewish owned, questioning the US support of Israel is like questioning the roundness of Earth. As a matter of fact, folks like Phil Giraldi are more on the fringe than flat-earthers in the US. Well, if my grandma’ had balls, she’d have been my grandpa’.

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    Yes, one could argue that way. If that argument could lead to an end to US support for Israel, the I'd use it myself. Without US support, Hezbollah could overrun Israel by itself. I don't subscribe to the idea that Israel is the only competent indigenous military force in the Middle East.

    I would say to Israel's supporters that if Israel is great and good, then Israel can stand on its own. Why have an ally that has never once given any proof that it is an ally?
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  219. @ALEXANDER KOVALYOV
    To Ptrick Lang:
    "The neocons believe so strongly that America must lead the world and mankind forward that they accept the idea that the achievement of human progress justifies any means needed to advance that goal."
    This statement has thrown me for a loop. It raises a few questions, like:
    What are the neocons?
    Aren`t the neocons Zionists?
    What are the Zionists?
    The neocons/Zionists are for "the achievement of human progress", now?
    What is "human progress"?
    If neocons are Zionists, how does "America must lead the world and mankind forward" play into this, shouldn`t it state Israel, instead?
    Why is "America must lead the world and mankind forward" seemingly equated with "the achievement of human progress"?
    Why wasn`t it explained that "the end justifies the means" is a fallacious concept, since, if used, "the means" BECOME "the end" (humans, after all, are creatures of habit, in other words, addicts)?
    Thank you.

    “What is human progress” :

    “Human progress” ALWAYS means the movement towards communism/socialism, the movement towards a bonkers society which is ruled by deranged marxist perfessers, “pussy-hat” crazies and blue-haired, maniac SJWs, with the Cl-clan on top of it all.
    The movement towards a northern version of : Venezuela, with all of it’s corruption, pandemonia and mayhem.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  220. Z-man says:
    @Vojkan
    Israel can exist without the USA. Nukes are a pretty good life insurance. How it would fare without US taxpayers' money is another matter. You should bear in mind though that Jews rule the banks, the media, the entertainment, the justice, and the education in the whole Western world, not only in the US.

    How it would fare without US taxpayers’ money is another matter.

    Like I said, without the total subjugation of Americwa to the Zionist project and the 100 Nukes, the Jew-ish state would not exist. Those weapons can be used against Arab capitals, Tehran in direct war or as blackmail also against those targets and Europe. Rome and Berlin come to mind and now Budapest also as Hungary thru Urban has embraced it’s Christian past.
    They would get the word out to evacuate any important Jews from those targets and the rest would be the price Judaica would have to pay for Izruel, martyrs.

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  221. Procopius says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Great article, except the USA did not "acquire the Philippine Islands", it invaded! The Syrian disaster is best explained by a Columbia University professor, who was mistakenly booked on MSNBC, as Jimmy Dore explains:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

    No, the US “acquired” the Philippines through the Treaty of Paris. The battle of Manila between the American and Spanish fleets was not an invasion of the islands. Some time later, when the Phillipine “insurrectos” refused to accept American governance we did send an army to kill the rebels, but we were technically the lawful government of the islands by then.

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    You sound like Lang. Is that you, colonel? Are you posting under a sockpuppet ID?
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  222. @Procopius
    No, the US "acquired" the Philippines through the Treaty of Paris. The battle of Manila between the American and Spanish fleets was not an invasion of the islands. Some time later, when the Phillipine "insurrectos" refused to accept American governance we did send an army to kill the rebels, but we were technically the lawful government of the islands by then.

    You sound like Lang. Is that you, colonel? Are you posting under a sockpuppet ID?

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  223. @Vojkan
    One could argue that Israel being extremely well armed, it doesn't need the US to defend itself against notoriously incompetent Arab armies, and would not hesitate to use nukes against them if it felt they could prevail. Whatever, the US being Jewish owned, questioning the US support of Israel is like questioning the roundness of Earth. As a matter of fact, folks like Phil Giraldi are more on the fringe than flat-earthers in the US. Well, if my grandma' had balls, she'd have been my grandpa'.

    Yes, one could argue that way. If that argument could lead to an end to US support for Israel, the I’d use it myself. Without US support, Hezbollah could overrun Israel by itself. I don’t subscribe to the idea that Israel is the only competent indigenous military force in the Middle East.

    I would say to Israel’s supporters that if Israel is great and good, then Israel can stand on its own. Why have an ally that has never once given any proof that it is an ally?

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    Hezbollah being Iranian trained and being a militia, not a regular army, my remark about Arab armies' incompetence still holds. Nevertheless, I don't think they have the capacity to overrun Israel.
    The use and abuse of US protection by Israel is not because they find it more convenient for someone else to do the killing, killing is OK, but it's definitely more convenient that someone else does the dying.
    And no, they're not a US ally. It's just that some people love to be flattered and Zionists are good at flattery. Anyone who genuinely thinks that Israel can be anyone's ally is delusional to the point of needing internment.
    , @Z-man

    Why have an ally that has never once given any proof that it is an ally?
     
    Officially speaking there are no alliance treaties between the USA and the Zionist Entity. Of course that matters little especially since Ishrahell owns American foreign policy 100%. But officially the good ol' USA owes Portugal more fealty than the Kazar colony in Palestine.
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  224. Vojkan says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Yes, one could argue that way. If that argument could lead to an end to US support for Israel, the I'd use it myself. Without US support, Hezbollah could overrun Israel by itself. I don't subscribe to the idea that Israel is the only competent indigenous military force in the Middle East.

    I would say to Israel's supporters that if Israel is great and good, then Israel can stand on its own. Why have an ally that has never once given any proof that it is an ally?

    Hezbollah being Iranian trained and being a militia, not a regular army, my remark about Arab armies’ incompetence still holds. Nevertheless, I don’t think they have the capacity to overrun Israel.
    The use and abuse of US protection by Israel is not because they find it more convenient for someone else to do the killing, killing is OK, but it’s definitely more convenient that someone else does the dying.
    And no, they’re not a US ally. It’s just that some people love to be flattered and Zionists are good at flattery. Anyone who genuinely thinks that Israel can be anyone’s ally is delusional to the point of needing internment.

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  225. Z-man says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Yes, one could argue that way. If that argument could lead to an end to US support for Israel, the I'd use it myself. Without US support, Hezbollah could overrun Israel by itself. I don't subscribe to the idea that Israel is the only competent indigenous military force in the Middle East.

    I would say to Israel's supporters that if Israel is great and good, then Israel can stand on its own. Why have an ally that has never once given any proof that it is an ally?

    Why have an ally that has never once given any proof that it is an ally?

    Officially speaking there are no alliance treaties between the USA and the Zionist Entity. Of course that matters little especially since Ishrahell owns American foreign policy 100%. But officially the good ol’ USA owes Portugal more fealty than the Kazar colony in Palestine.

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    Just a tip. You can spoil good points by sounding like a lippy 2nd grader and seeming to add a few years of unbalanced reading; e.g. silly references to a "Kazar" [sic: you no doubt mean "Khazar"] colony make you look barmy. Only the Jews in Israel who are of Ashkenazi origin (any idea what the percentage is? Look it up) are thought by some eccentrics (inspired perhaps by Koestler's "The Thirteenth Tribe") to have more than an insignificant fraction of Khazar ancestry. They are in fact about 50 per cent Semitic and 50 per cent European - probably Celtic from Northern Italy and the Rhineland for the most part.
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  226. Ace says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Trump has made a complete mess of this and "next time" thus inevitably means something much more solid. He has dug himself deeper into the Russiagate hole and there's only one way out. Since Putin is totally bogged down in Syria, there's no hurry on "next time". All Putin can do is sit and wait for it to happen. Trump will probably have to act before the midterms.

    Russia is hardly “bogged down” in Syria. Putin’s played an excellent hand and now victory over the jihadis is near total but for Idlib. The U.S. occupation of eastern Syria is unsustainable and all Assad, Russians, Iranians, and Hezbollahians need to do is sit back and wait for the financial and political pressure to build on the U.S. ($32M an hour by one calculation).

    Turkey will have to pull out. No one understands its invasion, especially as the Kurds there were hardly focused on supporting PKK terrorism in Turkey. It cannot lay claim to ownership of what it controls in Syria and Syria will eventually tighten the noose around them, esp. if Russia continues its support (without being seen to be attacking a member of NATO directly).

    The U.S. has completely squandered what moral authority and good will it had after WWII. Our capering on the Russian border in e. Europe and our fawning over the Israeli agenda in Syria have made us look like fools. And we are. Having Nikki over at the U.N. is just fantastic for comic relief in the midst of this horrible tragedy of U.S. fools playing soldier and swooning over “spec ops.”

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  227. Ace says:
    @Patrick Lang
    Ah, you want me to propagandize for your preferred positions. You want me to scream every day that the JEWS did it. You are supposed to be able to read between the lines and understan the truth of things. You are more of sa simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my blog.

    That does raise the question, When will it be possible to state outright the facts of what policies Jews have pursued rather than to write in ways that only suggest those policies?

    This is not a criticism of you in any way and, clearly, only a fool kicks every barking dog rather than picking his fights carefully.

    It’s interesting in this regard that Charles Bausman at Russian Insider personally thinks it’s time to drop the “Jew taboo.” To say that Brother Nathaniel agrees with that is the understatement of the decade. It seems to me that the debate is long overdue on, inter alia, the questions of whose interests our aggressive, unconstitutional war on Syria serves and why is it institutional Jewry fanatically promotes mass immigration to the U.S. and multiculturalism/diversity when these are anathema to Israel.

    I think the patina of Israel’s wonderfulness and its being our bestest friend EV-er in the whole wide world is tarnished more and more. The attack on the Liberty and Jonathan Pollard are evidence of a distinctly unfriendly attitude, and the disgraceful executions of demonstrators in Gaza can’t be explained away, period. Much time has passed since movies with Kirk Douglas were possible. And, yes, the U.S. has done significantly more to squander its moral capital and good will. Immensely more.

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  228. Ace says:
    @iffen
    The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never mentioned: Israel.

    Yeah, one has to willfully ignore the overwhelming historical evidence of the perfidious Jewish cabal dragging TR and his “conscripts” by the nose up San Juan Hill.

    And their stellar efforts in Ukraine during the famine.

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    That's an odd comment. If you are referring to Kaganovich and the Holomodor how does that reflect on Iffen's comment?
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  229. Ace says:
    @for-the-record
    Regarding Barzah/Barzeh, here is the actual OPCW document dated 23 March 2018 referring to the November 2017 inspection:

    In accordance with paragraph 11 of Council decision EC-83/DEC.5, the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities of the SSRC was concluded on 22 November 2017. The results of the inspections were reported as an addendum (EC-87/DG.15/Add.1, dated 28 February 2018) to the report entitled “Status of Implementation of Executive Council Decision EC-83/DEC.5 (dated 11 November 2016)” (EC-87/DG.15, dated 23 February 2018). The analysis of samples taken during the inspections did not indicate the presence of scheduled chemicals in the samples, and the inspection team did not observe any activities inconsistent with obligations under the Convention during the second round of inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities

    https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
     
    Interestingly, this document is not particularly easy to find, for some (no doubt innocent) reason it has not (yet?) been included among the list of "Progress Reports" on the OPCW site:

    https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/related-official-documents/

    It’s there now.

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  230. Just one .more bunch of lying Jews.

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  231. Anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Just as I am unimpressed with your lack of knowledge of history. Spain no more "created" the Philippines than Britain "created" India. I will clue you in on something: This isn't your blog. If you intend to police the comments sections of every article of yours that appears here, you're going to find it exhausting.

    Most commenters on UR provide something interesting to read once or twice in a large output but I don’t think you have ever done so. Now I know why. You are not only arrogantly rude but plain stupid. You have totally failed to understand and acknowledge the perfectly justifiable sense in which Col. Lang used the word “created”. PO!

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  232. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man

    Why have an ally that has never once given any proof that it is an ally?
     
    Officially speaking there are no alliance treaties between the USA and the Zionist Entity. Of course that matters little especially since Ishrahell owns American foreign policy 100%. But officially the good ol' USA owes Portugal more fealty than the Kazar colony in Palestine.

    Just a tip. You can spoil good points by sounding like a lippy 2nd grader and seeming to add a few years of unbalanced reading; e.g. silly references to a “Kazar” [sic: you no doubt mean "Khazar"] colony make you look barmy. Only the Jews in Israel who are of Ashkenazi origin (any idea what the percentage is? Look it up) are thought by some eccentrics (inspired perhaps by Koestler’s “The Thirteenth Tribe”) to have more than an insignificant fraction of Khazar ancestry. They are in fact about 50 per cent Semitic and 50 per cent European – probably Celtic from Northern Italy and the Rhineland for the most part.

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  233. Anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ace
    And their stellar efforts in Ukraine during the famine.

    That’s an odd comment. If you are referring to Kaganovich and the Holomodor how does that reflect on Iffen’s comment?

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    Chet Roman made the point that "neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies."

    Iffen made the sarcastic but illogical point about "overwhelming historical evidence of the perfidious Jewish cabal dragging TR and his 'conscripts' by the nose up San Juan Hill," the point being I suppose that people like TR and his men who also believed in (a form of) Manifest Destiny were also obedient to neocons of the 1898 variety (say what??) who dictated his actions to further Zionist policies. This was apparently an attempt to deride the point that a "perfidious Jewish cabal" could be a factor in historical events. "Of course, of course. How ridiculous to suggest such a thing. Were Jews involved in the charge up San Juan Hill or the Charge of the Light Brigade? Ha, ha."

    Referring to the major role played by Jews in the Holodomor is properly to suggest that the thought of Jews having a personal agenda of their own is not without some basis in fact. It's not my best comment ever, though there are certainly many excellent ones reflecting great credit on me. It does, however, connect to Iffen's comment, if by a thin thread.
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  234. Ace says:
    @Anon
    That's an odd comment. If you are referring to Kaganovich and the Holomodor how does that reflect on Iffen's comment?

    Chet Roman made the point that “neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies.”

    Iffen made the sarcastic but illogical point about “overwhelming historical evidence of the perfidious Jewish cabal dragging TR and his ‘conscripts’ by the nose up San Juan Hill,” the point being I suppose that people like TR and his men who also believed in (a form of) Manifest Destiny were also obedient to neocons of the 1898 variety (say what??) who dictated his actions to further Zionist policies. This was apparently an attempt to deride the point that a “perfidious Jewish cabal” could be a factor in historical events. “Of course, of course. How ridiculous to suggest such a thing. Were Jews involved in the charge up San Juan Hill or the Charge of the Light Brigade? Ha, ha.”

    Referring to the major role played by Jews in the Holodomor is properly to suggest that the thought of Jews having a personal agenda of their own is not without some basis in fact. It’s not my best comment ever, though there are certainly many excellent ones reflecting great credit on me. It does, however, connect to Iffen’s comment, if by a thin thread.

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