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I worked with and conducted liaison with The Israel Defense Force (IDF) for many years. This activity occurred as part of my regular duties as a US Army officer and later as a civilian executive of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). Since my retirement from US government service I have had many business or religious occasions to visit Israel and to watch the IDF in action against various groups of Palestinians all over the West Bank. I have many friends who are retired or reserve members of the IDF. My observations concerning the IDF are based on that experience.

I write here of the ground force. The air force and navy are unknown to me from personal experience except that I know some of their officers from their service in joint (inter-service) assignments like general staff intelligence.

In my opinion, the IDF is an army built to very specifically suit Israel’s individual circumstances, needs, and philosophy. It is in some ways, a singular force. It actually more closely resembles the Swiss military establishment than it does a large standing force backed by reserve units in the way that the US Army is built.

The IDF ground force is essentially a reserve or militia army that keeps most of its forces in inactive status while maintaining a handful of units on active duty as a training base and a force in being to meet short term contingencies.

In this essay I am writing of the “line” of the ground forces as represented by armor, infantry, paratroop and artillery units at brigade level and below, i.e., battalion and company.

The special operations forces are a small part of Israeli capabilities and are manned and maintained on a very different basis. In many ways they are more like a “SWAT” team than a military force.

To understand the IDF ground forces as an institution, there are certain things that must be understood in order to “see” clearly the actual capabilities of this army:

- Because of the heavy reliance on reserve units filled with older, part time soldiers, any mobilization of a large number of ground force units for considerable periods of time places a heavy burden on the Israeli national economy. Mobilized reservists are lost to their jobs. Israeli soldiers are among the strongest and most skilled members of their society. They are typically well employed in the civilian world. When they are gone in military service the economy suffers. This automatically limits the scale and duration of reserve mobilizations.

- Older reserve soldiers serve in units made up almost entirely of similar reservists. These units are hard to maintain at a high level of training and readiness. Only limited amounts of training time and money are available for this necessity. As a result units are often unready for deployment into combat in an emergency. On a number of occasions this problem has caused IDF troops to be committed to combat in a less than “ready” status. In other words, troops have gone into combat with equipment not properly maintained and with insufficient unit training. It must be said that they have typically been lucky in their enemies and that if they had faced more serious enemies, they would have had a much different experience than the ones they had. In the Golan Heights the Syrians gave them a very difficult time in 1973 and in the same war their victory against Egypt featured a renewal of offensive activity under the cover a cease fire which they had accepted.

- There are no career ground force sergeants except as technicians. Unless the system has changed very recently, the IDF ground forces typically do not have career NCOs in the LINE of the combat arms. This is a structural tradition that derives originally from the Russian tsar’s army and which came to Palestine through Russian and Polish Zionist immigrants. This tradition of organization passed through the Hagenah into the IDF. The IDF “line” conscripts what amount to yearly classes of recruits and selects from them more promising soldiers who are given NCO level command responsibilities as; infantry leaders, tank commanders, artillery gun captains, etc. The IDF does have career NCOs but they are typically found in jobs of a more technical nature rather than junior combat command at the squad or platoon (section) level. As a result, junior officers (company grade) are required to perform duties that in more traditionally organized armies would be performed by sergeants. Leading a small combat or reconnaissance patrol would be an example. As a result, a non-reserve infantry or tank company in the field consists of people who are all about the same age (19-22) and commanded by a captain in his mid-20s. What is missing in this scene is the voice of grown up counsel provided by sergeants in their 30s and 40s telling these young people what it is that would be wise to do based on real experience and mature judgment. In contrast a 22 year old American platoon leader would have a mature platoon sergeant as his assistant and counselor.

- As a result of this system of manning, the IDF’s ground force is more unpredictable and volatile at the tactical (company) level than might be the case otherwise. The national government has a hard time knowing whether or not specific policies will be followed in the field. For example, the Israeli government’s policy in the present action in the Gaza Strip has been to avoid fatal shootings whenever possible. Based on personal experience of the behavior of IDF conscripts toward Palestinian civilians, I would say that the Israeli government has little control over what individual groups of these young Israeli soldiers may when given the chance to pick their own targets.

ORDER IT NOW

In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it. In Bethlehem itself a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that.

One might say that in war, bad things happen but is the Gaza massacre actually war by any standard. Such behavior is indicative of an army that is not well disciplined and not a completely reliably instrument of state policy. In my travels in the West Bank, it has been noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks is reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other. I think the IDF would be well advised to grow some real sergeants.

All in all, I think the IDF ground forces can best be described as a specialized tool that reflects 20th century Zionist socialist and nationalist ideals, and which have military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States. They can also be justly said to have been fortunate in their enemies. The Jordanians gave them a run for their money in 1948-49. Hezbollah delivered a hint of the inherent limits in such a socio-military system in 2006 and now we are seeing whatever it is that we will see at Gaza.

 
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  1. You don’t have to worry about having an undisciplined army of juveniles when you’ve infiltrated the richest nation in history and have the largest, most expensive military force in the world at your beck and call.

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    • Replies: @OkieDokie
    Why do you persist in cutting to the chase with the simple, undeniable truth? I can only assume, sir, that you are a hasbara-baiter.
    , @Wally
    Indeed:

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  2. Kirt says:

    Given the comments of Defense Minister Lieberman, it seems to me that the IDF soldiers are doing exactly what they are told to do in their slaughter of the Gazans and have not gone rogue in the least.

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    • Replies: @llloyd
    A mature man even most ardent Zionists would have awareness of the implications of atrocity acts. I am not including the present Israeli Government. Israeli juveniles who have not evaded military service do not. I suspect that is why there is not a mature career officer caste in IDF army operations. I watched a video of IDF in crowd control. They were as clueless as the Israelis I have met in back packer hotels.
    , @Kemerd
    Yes indeed, that is also my thinking. Any of the actions of israel (not only army) seems to be designed to dehumanize Arabs, presumably to ensure no opposition within Israel could develop amid an openly racist regime
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  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    This is so patently stupid. Even if not many were killed, this makes IDF look like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER’S LIST shooting randomly at Jews.

    In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    " like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER’S LIST shooting randomly at Jews."

    Except he never did such a thing. He could not have done such a thing,

    http://whale.to/b/plas21.gif
    see:
    'Comparing the stories of Amon Göth and Karl Otto Koch'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10432&p=78794
    more:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=Amon+Goeth

    www.codoh.com
    , @llloyd
    Amon Goth's shooting exploits were technically disproved a long time ago. If it had happened, he would under Reich law have been executed. The same people made the IDF and Schindler's List. The first is the reality as shown above, the second is the projection.
    , @Tom Welsh
    "In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF".

    I notice that you did not say it was evil, wicked and contemptible.
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  4. “- Because of the heavy reliance on reserve units filled with older, part time soldiers, any mobilization of a large number of ground force units for considerable periods of time places a heavy burden on the Israeli national economy.”

    Surely you meant to write that it places a heavy burden on the US national economy?

    In true Orwellian Doublespeak calling these offensive military forces “Defence Forces” is a perversion of the language. Australia does the same thing even though its own “Defence Forces” haven’t actually defended Australia since WWII.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    "Surely you meant to write that it places a heavy burden on the US national economy?"

    Without a doubt:

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    Israeli immigration laws mandate JEWS ONLY while Israel & Jews in general demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.
    , @Anon
    Is there any country which avoids using the "Defense" euphemism? To put it another way, in which countries is it not a euphemism? Australia's case is surely ampngst the least Orwellian inasmuch as its policy is entirely directed to making sure that it will be defended by one of the big boys if any country were to become aggressive - and there is no country against which it threatens conquest.
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  5. Frankie P says:

    I like your style, Pat Lang. You say a fair bit, but you also allude to things that have more depth than what you actually say. And as a career military officer with heaps of experience, you know enough not to make wild predictions, but I for one wish that you would take a poke at some analysis of potential outcomes of possible Israeli belligerence, especially boots on the ground, in southern Syria or a return to Lebanon. That little closing line about Hizbollah delivering a hint of the inherent limits of the IDF socio-military system was a nice tease, as it didn’t delve into details of that defeat of the IDF by a force of 2,000 Hizbollah fighters who, from what I have read, were able to destroy or disable 25% of the Israeli tanks. It also didn’t explore the idea that Hizbollah has gained greatly in experience, tactics, strategy and material since 2006, and are viewed by many as a hardened military force now capable of much larger and more complex operations. I’m wondering how the part-time reserve IDF that you describe in this article will fare against such a force, combined with both SAA forces and Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I get the feeling that the intention is for the "IDF" to maintain guard of the border while the US and other vassal states do the actual fighting and the dying. That the US taxpayers and those of the same vassals will pick up the tab goes without saying.
    , @Cloak And Dagger

    I for one wish that you would take a poke at some analysis of potential outcomes of possible Israeli belligerence, especially boots on the ground, in southern Syria or a return to Lebanon.
     
    I, too, would appreciate exactly such an analysis from someone who has been up close and personal with the Israeli military. Some of us speculate that the IDF would be crushed in a battle with Lebanon/Syria/Iran, but it is merely speculation from afar. Pat's analysis would be very valuable.
    , @Ceylon
    The reason for the heavy loss of IDF tanks in Lebanon comes down to all the bombast and braggadocio from Israel with regards to their now not so invincible Merkava tank. Hezbollah fighters having gone through all the imagery and information readily available online realised that the tank's weakest armour lay in its back. All they did was wait for them to pass by and blow them up from behind. The Israelis made the ultimate mistake there of underestimating their enemy.
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  6. ​Juvenile or not, everything about Israel’s putrid core is British colonialism …

    The British Spook Who Built ‘The Army of Zion

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    The ideologies, mythologies, and geopolitical strategies of the State of Israel, down to the minutest details, are the handiwork of a handful of Britons. In particular there was Orde Wingate, a representative of the Amery and Rothschild interests in the 1930s and a top British intelligence officer in Palestine.

    Moshe Dayan recently said of Wingate: “I remember Orde Wingate. And I salute him. He taught me and many another Israeli soldier everything we knew.” Wingate was himself a religious fanatic who was known to enjoy loud mystical revelations while sitting naked and cross-legged on the floor. As the British controller of the Haganah, the main Zionist armed force prior to the establishment of the Israeli state, he taught his Zionist puppets both military doctrine and how to use “biblical” myths to brainwash the population into obedience.

    Wingate believed himself to be a modern Gideon, charged, according to the Bible, to “go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel,” and his zombified Zionist pupils saw in him the source of all their ideas. Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion reminisced that Wingate could give a “military interpretation’ of the Bible’s historic events “. . as if they had happened yesterday.” According to Wingate biographer Leonard Mosley, political intelligence officer Wingate had a “magnetic hold” over the Haganah brigades: “There was not a Jew in Palestine who would not do anything he said . . . .

    Certainly all the high officials of the Jewish Agency and the Haganah were ready to his bidding.” Thus it was Wingate, not Ben-Gurion or Dayan, who began the Zionist military strategy of brutal “retaliation” against the Arabs. When Zionist militiamen balked at this strategy, fearing — correctly — that it could only worsen strained Jewish- Arab relations, it was Wingate who insisted that the Haganah’s special retaliatory Night Squads were proof that “the spirit of the Maccabees (Jewish nationalists of the second century B.C. — ed.) still lived” in Jewish youth — an argument that broke down dovish resistance to his schemes.

    Mosley writes the following account of a Wingate-led retaliatory action against Arab villagers in which Dayan participated. The following excerpts begin after an incident in which Dayan and another Haganah soldier had killed five Arabs and captured four. Wingate came back, carrying a Turkish rifle over his shoulder. He looked calm and serene.

    “Good work. You are fine boys and will make good soldiers,” he said.
    He went up to the four Arab prisoners. He said in Arabic: “You have arms in this village.
    Where have you hidden them?”
    The Arabs shook their heads, and protested ignorance. Wingate reached down and took sand and grit from the ground; he thrust it down (one Arab’s) throat until he choked and puked.
    “Now,” he said, “where have you hidden the arms?”
    Still they shook their heads.

    Wingate turned to one of the Jews and, pointing to the coughing and spluttering Arab, said, “Shoot this man.”
    The Jew looked at him questioningly and hesitated. Wingate said, in a tense voice, “Did you hear? Shoot him.” The Jew shot the Arab. The others stared for a moment, in stupefaction, at the dead body at their feet ….
    Now speak,” said Wingate. They spoke.

    Ben-Gurion later declared that “the Haganah’s best officers were trained in the special Night Squads” by Wingate. Trained terrorist Dayan added, “In some sense, every leader of the Israeli Army even today is a disciple of Wingate. He gave us our technique, he was the inspiration of our tactics, he was our dynamic.” And their ideological controller. Wingate would often begin special training courses for the Haganah elite by expounding, “We are establishing here the foundations for the army of Zion.”

    His contribution extended to programming every minute detail of military strategy for the Haganah, thereby providing the entirety of Israeli military orientations from the 1948 declaration of statehood through to the present. According to Mosley, Wingate in 1938 authored “The Jewish State — Security and Defence, Transition Period,” which is to this day “one of the most treasured Israeli documents.”

    Mosley labels it a “brilliant forecast” of the needs of the state, how much these needs would cost, which “strategy and tactics the Arab states would use to upset the new state,” how these could be defeated, and “what measures should be taken to mobilize and inspirit the civilian population and grid industry and agriculture to the task of keeping the international machine in motion.” So successful was this strategy outline, Mosley reported, that Wingate’s advice has been followed, almost to the phrase, by the State of Israel. … It is still a practical paper which they constantly consult.”

    From:
    p.8-9: http://wlym.comm/archive/campaigner/7812.pdf

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Fascinating if true. The link didn't work. Can you provide one that does please. I think it a bit odd to characterise Wingate as quintessentially British. Gordon "of Khartoum" was no doubt one of Wingate's heroes but Arabists were supposed to predominate in the upper reaches of the Foreign and Colonial Offices.
    , @AKAHorace
    In Britain Wingate is more known for leading the Chindits, a an irregular warfare group who fought the Japanese in Burma.

    A quote from Edward Behr, describing his superior officer in 1947 India.

    "Morris was a career Gurhka officer who had spent part of the war with Orde Wingate and the Chindits in Burma, earning a DSO in the process. Like most officers who had fought the Japanese at close quarters, he was ambivalent in his attitude towards them, but he reserved his hatred for Wingate who he described as a half-crazed maniac. "I survived Wingate and the Japanese, in that order" he would say."
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  7. @Frankie P
    I like your style, Pat Lang. You say a fair bit, but you also allude to things that have more depth than what you actually say. And as a career military officer with heaps of experience, you know enough not to make wild predictions, but I for one wish that you would take a poke at some analysis of potential outcomes of possible Israeli belligerence, especially boots on the ground, in southern Syria or a return to Lebanon. That little closing line about Hizbollah delivering a hint of the inherent limits of the IDF socio-military system was a nice tease, as it didn't delve into details of that defeat of the IDF by a force of 2,000 Hizbollah fighters who, from what I have read, were able to destroy or disable 25% of the Israeli tanks. It also didn't explore the idea that Hizbollah has gained greatly in experience, tactics, strategy and material since 2006, and are viewed by many as a hardened military force now capable of much larger and more complex operations. I'm wondering how the part-time reserve IDF that you describe in this article will fare against such a force, combined with both SAA forces and Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

    I get the feeling that the intention is for the “IDF” to maintain guard of the border while the US and other vassal states do the actual fighting and the dying. That the US taxpayers and those of the same vassals will pick up the tab goes without saying.

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    Sounds right
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  8. OkieDokie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    You don't have to worry about having an undisciplined army of juveniles when you've infiltrated the richest nation in history and have the largest, most expensive military force in the world at your beck and call.

    Why do you persist in cutting to the chase with the simple, undeniable truth? I can only assume, sir, that you are a hasbara-baiter.

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  9. Wally says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    You don't have to worry about having an undisciplined army of juveniles when you've infiltrated the richest nation in history and have the largest, most expensive military force in the world at your beck and call.
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    • Replies: @Anon
    Oldie but goodie

    What’s the marching song of the Israeli army?

    Onward Christian Soldiers
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  10. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    What in the hell is this?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/425625-judge-iran-pay-911-victims/

    What kind of whackjob world are we living in?

    Total farce.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    I read the article. Unbelievable.
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  11. Wally says:
    @Anon
    This is so patently stupid. Even if not many were killed, this makes IDF look like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER'S LIST shooting randomly at Jews.

    In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF.

    ” like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER’S LIST shooting randomly at Jews.”

    Except he never did such a thing. He could not have done such a thing,


    see:
    ‘Comparing the stories of Amon Göth and Karl Otto Koch’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10432&p=78794

    more:

    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=Amon+Goeth

    http://www.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    You are correct about Amon Goth. In fact, "Schindler's List" is classified as FICTION as the publisher's own claim on the spine of the book...Even the American library system classification lists it as fiction...
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  12. Wally says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    "- Because of the heavy reliance on reserve units filled with older, part time soldiers, any mobilization of a large number of ground force units for considerable periods of time places a heavy burden on the Israeli national economy."

    Surely you meant to write that it places a heavy burden on the US national economy?

    In true Orwellian Doublespeak calling these offensive military forces "Defence Forces" is a perversion of the language. Australia does the same thing even though its own "Defence Forces" haven't actually defended Australia since WWII.

    “Surely you meant to write that it places a heavy burden on the US national economy?”

    Without a doubt:

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel’s Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    Israeli immigration laws mandate JEWS ONLY while Israel & Jews in general demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

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    • Replies: @Fed up goy
    It's not only the military that's been infiltrated. The whole damn JUSA govt is owned and controlled by the Talmudic extremists.
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  13. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I get the feeling that the intention is for the "IDF" to maintain guard of the border while the US and other vassal states do the actual fighting and the dying. That the US taxpayers and those of the same vassals will pick up the tab goes without saying.

    Sounds right

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  14. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    Indeed:

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/639563970a638b606f4adb0ef05c778b/tumblr_inline_o7t4eewwJn1r75mb5_500.jpg

    www.codoh.com

    Oldie but goodie

    What’s the marching song of the Israeli army?

    Onward Christian Soldiers

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  15. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    What in the hell is this?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/425625-judge-iran-pay-911-victims/

    What kind of whackjob world are we living in?

    Total farce.

    I read the article. Unbelievable.

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  16. llloyd says: • Website
    @Anon
    This is so patently stupid. Even if not many were killed, this makes IDF look like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER'S LIST shooting randomly at Jews.

    In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF.

    Amon Goth’s shooting exploits were technically disproved a long time ago. If it had happened, he would under Reich law have been executed. The same people made the IDF and Schindler’s List. The first is the reality as shown above, the second is the projection.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Amon Goth’s shooting exploits were technically disproved a long time ago.

    By whom? By people like Wally? LOL.
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  17. Jabotinsky in 1923 wrote his essay that just force would drive the Palestinians from their land, ‘The Iron Wall’, and that this was the zionist ethic.
    What he did not foresee is that this behaviour would destroy the image of jews as eternal innocent victims.

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    What [Jabotinsky] did not foresee is that this behaviour would destroy the image of jews as eternal innocent victims.
     
    He may not have, but a lot of other Jews did object to the Zionist project as damaging to Jewish interests. The Zionist project never really cared about Jews and is one of the worst anti-Semitic movements possible, yet the adolescent-brained jackals forged ahead.

    A few apparently regret it now.


    All the important rabbis of the day cursed Zionism and its founder..[but still]…

    Expressions like "all the world is against us" or "they all want to destroy us" or "all the Goyim are the same" are heard quite often. The great majority of Israelis of all hues believe in them deep in their hearts.

    If we want to turn Israel into a normal nation, all this profusion of [largely pity party] holy (sic) days must be reduced to a normal few.

    -Uri Avnery, One, Two, Three – Rejoice!

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1493999002

     

    It's a psychotically violent society founded on and propped up with lies, theft, death, destruction and paranoia and only the most hideous of morons could imagine supporting that vile entity, and making excuses for their behavior, as the author appears to do, is every bit as bad.
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  18. llloyd says: • Website
    @Kirt
    Given the comments of Defense Minister Lieberman, it seems to me that the IDF soldiers are doing exactly what they are told to do in their slaughter of the Gazans and have not gone rogue in the least.

    A mature man even most ardent Zionists would have awareness of the implications of atrocity acts. I am not including the present Israeli Government. Israeli juveniles who have not evaded military service do not. I suspect that is why there is not a mature career officer caste in IDF army operations. I watched a video of IDF in crowd control. They were as clueless as the Israelis I have met in back packer hotels.

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  19. Heros says:

    “In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens.”

    Lets face it, these jews were murdering Christians, and it has been going on since they murdered Jesus. These jews have been inculcated in propaganda and mind control since birth and they take glee in the murder and suffering of Christians. Obviously, Pat Lang has been too, otherwise he would have resigned his commission on the spot.

    I personally refuse to own stock, purchase products, or work for any corporation or organization that I deem immoral or evil. I quit my job at a large bank in 2009 because of this.

    Pat Lang, even after participating in and even leading soldiers in war crimes in Vietnam, now writes about how the jews love to murder Christians, and he watched and did nothing. Pat Lang is a good metaphor for what Americans have become: like these UN blue helmeted Austrian soldiers teasing Syrian police to their murder.

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    You weaken your argument by libeling Colonel Lang. Your talking out of your hat about the war crimes is especially libelous and you need to man up and provide some proof. Basically you are implying he's some sort of Lt. Calley.

    Until some sort of proof is provided or an apology given for your libel, I will assume that you are just commenting as you did strictly to do a character assassination of Col. Lang.

    , @urfullofcrap
    Pontius Pilate was a Roman prefect, born and raised in Rome, not a Jew. The soldiers who crucified him were Roman as well. But it's moot since you leftists don't believe Jesus existed.
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  20. Kemerd says:
    @Kirt
    Given the comments of Defense Minister Lieberman, it seems to me that the IDF soldiers are doing exactly what they are told to do in their slaughter of the Gazans and have not gone rogue in the least.

    Yes indeed, that is also my thinking. Any of the actions of israel (not only army) seems to be designed to dehumanize Arabs, presumably to ensure no opposition within Israel could develop amid an openly racist regime

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    You may not be politically right-of-center, I typically assume most commenters on this site are, you may not be.
    That said: the right needs to decide whether its OK with Israel having walls, and being a Jewish state, or not.
    The actions in Gaza since Good Friday are indefensible regardless of where one comes down on that question, but once there is an account for those actions and perpetrators brought to justice, we still have this question: is Israel allowed to be a Jewish state?
    If the right can't come down on the question on one side or the other it is bad faith and at best it will never get a majority with political will to achieve its own aims and at worst it goes the way fascisms in times past have gone.
    There's all kinds of points to quibble over but ultimately that question needs to be settled.

    If Israel isn't allowed to be a nationalist entity it's going to be a lot harder for the right to explain why anyone else should be.

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  21. Brabantian says: • Website

    Update on the ongoing Israeli massacre of Gazans, from Arab journalist Dr Ramzy Baroud:

    Nearly 45 dead and over 5,500 wounded

    Baroud tells how the new propaganda meme is that the Palestinian children and women being killed and maimed, are ‘human shields for military acts and terrorism’

    And that the ICC International Criminal Court is supporting this lie

    Ramzy Baroud recalls how people have long asked, ‘Where is the Palestinian Gandhi?’

    But now that Gazan Gandhis are being maimed & killed by thousands –

    Deafening [global] silence continues … Those who long chastised Palestinians for using armed resistance against the Israeli occupation are nowhere to be found, while children, journalists, women and men are all targeted by hundreds of Israeli snipers who dot the Gaza border

    The Israeli mindset is emboldened by the outright international silence to the atrocities taking place at the border

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) has been quite useless … Its Chief Prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda distorted facts … to the delight of Israeli media. [Bensouda suggested that Palestinian unarmed protestors were] the use of civilian presence for the purpose of shielding military activities

    Encouraged by Bensouda, an Israeli law group, Shurat Hadin, is seeking to indict Hamas leaders at the ICC, accusing Hamas of using children as human shields at the border protests

    Why are the Palestinians still being largely ignored?

    Why isn’t Obama tweeting in solidarity with Gazans? Why isn’t Hillary Clinton taking the podium to address the unremitting Israeli violence?

    Singer Bono of the band U2 dedicated a song to Israeli President Shimon Peres, accused of numerous war crimes, but his voice seems to have grown hoarse as Gaza boy Mohammed Ibrahim Ayoub,15, was shot by an Israeli sniper

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/05/gazan-gandhis-gaza-bleeds-alone-as-liberals-and-progressives-go-mute/

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    Gazan Gandhis
     
    Gandhi's successes were 10% "Him" and 90% who he was up against.

    [Formerly] Great Britain was, (1) exhausted and battered by WWII, (2) in existential angst over its prior colonial practices.

    Gandhi knew his target, and bet his life that it was one of the few cultures on Earth at the time that wouldn't just mow him down.

    In contrast, every 'Palestinian Gandhi' is; dead.
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  22. unit472 says:

    If your most ‘recent’ experience with the Israeli ground forces was in 1973, as your brief article indicates, I would suggest it is irrelevant. I would not compare US infantry from that era with the troops of today.

    I am curious though because it is an important topic given the situation. Israeli ground forces did not display the sort of crushing offensive power against Hezbollah in 2006. Hezbollah was well fortified and Israeli armor and air power could not be decisive. It was more Iwo Jima than Blitzkrieg and it may well be the situation Israel would again face were it to try and eradicate Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.

    OTOH if Israel were to avoid a head on fight there and cut off Hezbollah from its Iranian supply routes and rely on its air superiority and ability to concentrate offensive combat power at places of its choosing we’d probably be closer to 1967 than 2006!

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    His last experience with Israeli ground forces was during the last Intifada where he saw the shooting of protestors and the shooting at of women hanging laundry by the IDF.
    , @peterAUS

    Israeli ground forces did not display the sort of crushing offensive power against Hezbollah in 2006. Hezbollah was well fortified and Israeli armor and air power could not be decisive. It was more Iwo Jima than Blitzkrieg and it may well be the situation Israel would again face were it to try and eradicate Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.
     
    There have been several discussions here regarding that topic.

    The main premise was limited incursion in Lebanon and securing the South by IDF.

    You could skim through my post history and you'll find them. Not because of my input (feel free to skip all my posts) but there were posts by an American right-wing Jew with good inside info, plus link a document. Shouldn't take you more than half an hour to find it.
    If I were you I'd read that document and go from there. Shouldn't take you more than an hour.
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  23. dkshaw says:

    The article describes a cowardly army fielded by a cowardly government born in terrorism contributing to my formerly non-existent but gradually growing “anti-Semitism”.

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    "By way deception..."
    There is an army of opportunists eagerly awaiting a signal from ziocons. Exhibit one are the UK high-level officials that were exposed, by the Skripal affairs, as liars, war profiteers, and consummate scoundrels: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-03/skripals-douma-globalist-pravda-network-reveals-its-true-face
    "... according to Mark Sedwell, the UK’s National Security Advisor, certain classified information – such as the apparent door handle delivery method – was released in order to “counter Russian disinformation”. Ah so it was Russian disinformation that took us from the restaurant to the car to the cemetery to the flowers to the luggage to the bench via the porridge and finally (finally???) to the door handle (I say “finally???” only because nobody has yet suggested the cat as the conduit for the poison)? So it was Russian disinformation that tried to sell us the idea of a slow-working, lethal yet non-lethal, military-grade nerve agent that enables its victims to go to restaurants, make them hallucinate and then be as right as rain a few weeks later? So it was Russian disinformation that told us that after studying hours of CCTV footage, British intelligence had a suspect in the case – the dashingly handsome, astonishingly intelligent, and diabolically ruthless former KGB agent, codenamed “Gordon” or was it “Cecil” or “Squiffy” or something, with a penchant for martial arts and (who can doubt) fast cars and loose women – only for Mark Sedwell to tell MPs a week later that there is no suspect, there never has been a suspect, and the investigation has been hampered by lack of CCTV footage?"
    --- Mark Sedwell is not just dishonest -- he is stupid; his incompetence constitutes a danger for the commonwealth. Here is a question: How come that such very active scoundrel as Mark Sedwell still keeps his KCMG (the Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George)? Is it so because being a liar and war profiteer has become the necessary condition for obtaining the KCMG? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sedwill
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  24. Historically, soldiers have always been very young, often 16 or 17. I remember reading in a history of World War II that the “old man” of an infantry squad (U.S. Army) was often only 23. In one of Rick Atkinson’s trilogy about the U.S. Army in WWII (I think it was An Army at Dawn) he mentions American GIs shooting at Bedouins in North Africa more or less for the hell of it.

    We think of soldiers as older because most films use older actors to portray ordinary infantrymen (e.g., Vic Morrow in the old Combat series). James Webb contemplated making a movie of his novel Fields of Fire and wanted to use active-duty American and Vietnamese soldiers to make his point but I guess nothing ever came of the project.

    Trained and experienced police often make errors or judgment in confronting and arresting suspects and they’re trained to use restraint–soldiers generally aren’t. Using soldiers to police civilians is usually a last resort. You’re almost guaranteed to get a higher body count.

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    I'm not 100% sure here, but I believe the average age of a G.I in WW II was 26.
    Assuming the popular Australian song is correct (by Redgum) the average age of a Australian Vietnam vet' was 19.
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  25. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    "- Because of the heavy reliance on reserve units filled with older, part time soldiers, any mobilization of a large number of ground force units for considerable periods of time places a heavy burden on the Israeli national economy."

    Surely you meant to write that it places a heavy burden on the US national economy?

    In true Orwellian Doublespeak calling these offensive military forces "Defence Forces" is a perversion of the language. Australia does the same thing even though its own "Defence Forces" haven't actually defended Australia since WWII.

    Is there any country which avoids using the “Defense” euphemism? To put it another way, in which countries is it not a euphemism? Australia’s case is surely ampngst the least Orwellian inasmuch as its policy is entirely directed to making sure that it will be defended by one of the big boys if any country were to become aggressive – and there is no country against which it threatens conquest.

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    Is this what is referred to as "whataboutery"?
    , @Tom Welsh
    As far as I know, Russia and China aim strictly to defend themselves. True, this may sometimes involve defending strategic allies so that their own national borders are not seriously weakened.

    This is not just a political statement, or vague arm-waving. It has huge implications for the cost and feasibility of defence. Compare what it costs Russia to defend its coasts and borders with what it costs the USA to provide the means for bullying other nations worldwide. For a start, Russia doesn't need any aircraft carriers and the associated overheads. Its weapons are either strictly defensive or counter-attacking.
    , @Alfred
    "Is there any country which avoids using the "Defense" euphemism?"

    Yes. Iran.

    It is called the Ministry of War - وزارت جنگ
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  26. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Lang tells us that IDF murders of innocents are “military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States.”

    Mr. Manning showed us otherwise.

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    Mr. Lang tells us that IDF murders of innocents are “military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States.”

    Mr. Manning showed us otherwise.
     
    Many other things can also show us otherwise such as the Sand Creek Massacre (especially the "Christian" Chivington's remarks and behavior*.) the firebombing of Dresden, the use of atomic weapons on the Japanese, My Lai, Abut Ghraib, etc., ad infinitum.

    * https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/colorado-militia-massacre-cheyenne-at-sand-creek
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  27. @Wally
    "Surely you meant to write that it places a heavy burden on the US national economy?"

    Without a doubt:

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    Israeli immigration laws mandate JEWS ONLY while Israel & Jews in general demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    It’s not only the military that’s been infiltrated. The whole damn JUSA govt is owned and controlled by the Talmudic extremists.

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    https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/07/has-israel-effectively-colonized-the-united-states/
    , @Anon
    Why do call them "Talmudic extremists"? I don't know much about the Talmud(s) but I am pretty sure that few Jews have spent more than a half hour glancing at a Talmud, let alone treating it as a source of authority or guidance.
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  28. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @llloyd
    Amon Goth's shooting exploits were technically disproved a long time ago. If it had happened, he would under Reich law have been executed. The same people made the IDF and Schindler's List. The first is the reality as shown above, the second is the projection.

    Amon Goth’s shooting exploits were technically disproved a long time ago.

    By whom? By people like Wally? LOL.

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    Yep, by me and many others.

    Being a religious fanatic, you dodged my post which demolishes the fake Amon Goth tall tale. We know why.
    'You can't handle the truth.'

    Still owning you.

    www.codoh.com
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  29. @Hiram of Tyre
    ​Juvenile or not, everything about Israel's putrid core is British colonialism ...

    The British Spook Who Built 'The Army of Zion

    The ideologies, mythologies, and geopolitical strategies of the State of Israel, down to the minutest details, are the handiwork of a handful of Britons. In particular there was Orde Wingate, a representative of the Amery and Rothschild interests in the 1930s and a top British intelligence officer in Palestine.

    Moshe Dayan recently said of Wingate: "I remember Orde Wingate. And I salute him. He taught me and many another Israeli soldier everything we knew." Wingate was himself a religious fanatic who was known to enjoy loud mystical revelations while sitting naked and cross-legged on the floor. As the British controller of the Haganah, the main Zionist armed force prior to the establishment of the Israeli state, he taught his Zionist puppets both military doctrine and how to use "biblical" myths to brainwash the population into obedience.

    Wingate believed himself to be a modern Gideon, charged, according to the Bible, to "go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel," and his zombified Zionist pupils saw in him the source of all their ideas. Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion reminisced that Wingate could give a "military interpretation' of the Bible's historic events ". . as if they had happened yesterday.'' According to Wingate biographer Leonard Mosley, political intelligence officer Wingate had a "magnetic hold'' over the Haganah brigades: "There was not a Jew in Palestine who would not do anything he said . . . .

    Certainly all the high officials of the Jewish Agency and the Haganah were ready to his bidding." Thus it was Wingate, not Ben-Gurion or Dayan, who began the Zionist military strategy of brutal "retaliation" against the Arabs. When Zionist militiamen balked at this strategy, fearing — correctly — that it could only worsen strained Jewish- Arab relations, it was Wingate who insisted that the Haganah's special retaliatory Night Squads were proof that "the spirit of the Maccabees (Jewish nationalists of the second century B.C. — ed.) still lived" in Jewish youth — an argument that broke down dovish resistance to his schemes.

    Mosley writes the following account of a Wingate-led retaliatory action against Arab villagers in which Dayan participated. The following excerpts begin after an incident in which Dayan and another Haganah soldier had killed five Arabs and captured four. Wingate came back, carrying a Turkish rifle over his shoulder. He looked calm and serene.

    "Good work. You are fine boys and will make good soldiers,'' he said.
    He went up to the four Arab prisoners. He said in Arabic: "You have arms in this village.
    Where have you hidden them?''
    The Arabs shook their heads, and protested ignorance. Wingate reached down and took sand and grit from the ground; he thrust it down (one Arab's) throat until he choked and puked.
    "Now,'' he said, "where have you hidden the arms?''
    Still they shook their heads.

    Wingate turned to one of the Jews and, pointing to the coughing and spluttering Arab, said, "Shoot this man."
    The Jew looked at him questioningly and hesitated. Wingate said, in a tense voice, "Did you hear? Shoot him." The Jew shot the Arab. The others stared for a moment, in stupefaction, at the dead body at their feet ....
    Now speak," said Wingate. They spoke.

    Ben-Gurion later declared that "the Haganah's best officers were trained in the special Night Squads" by Wingate. Trained terrorist Dayan added, "In some sense, every leader of the Israeli Army even today is a disciple of Wingate. He gave us our technique, he was the inspiration of our tactics, he was our dynamic." And their ideological controller. Wingate would often begin special training courses for the Haganah elite by expounding, "We are establishing here the foundations for the army of Zion."

    His contribution extended to programming every minute detail of military strategy for the Haganah, thereby providing the entirety of Israeli military orientations from the 1948 declaration of statehood through to the present. According to Mosley, Wingate in 1938 authored "The Jewish State — Security and Defence, Transition Period," which is to this day "one of the most treasured Israeli documents."

    Mosley labels it a "brilliant forecast" of the needs of the state, how much these needs would cost, which "strategy and tactics the Arab states would use to upset the new state," how these could be defeated, and "what measures should be taken to mobilize and inspirit the civilian population and grid industry and agriculture to the task of keeping the international machine in motion." So successful was this strategy outline, Mosley reported, that Wingate's advice has been followed, almost to the phrase, by the State of Israel. ... It is still a practical paper which they constantly consult."



    From:
    p.8-9: http://wlym.comm/archive/campaigner/7812.pdf

    Fascinating if true. The link didn’t work. Can you provide one that does please. I think it a bit odd to characterise Wingate as quintessentially British. Gordon “of Khartoum” was no doubt one of Wingate’s heroes but Arabists were supposed to predominate in the upper reaches of the Foreign and Colonial Offices.

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    Hi. Somehow, I added an extra letter “m” (.comm instead of .com) by mistake in the URL. Please remove one and the link works.
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  30. …and in the same war their victory against Egypt featured a renewal of offensive activity under the cover a cease fire which they had accepted.

    So much for the most moral army bla bla bla…

    Also, shooting at unarmed innocent people going about their daily business was also described in Uri Avnery’s “1948.”

    What a disgusting pack of snivelling, fake victim, cowards.

    This was quite an enlightening article, but it was marred somewhat by the seeming apology for certain aspects of military behavior such as writing it off to the expected behavior of armed adolescents when in fact the country is run by irresponsible, unaccountable, well funded, sadistic, psychopathic thugs which better explains the behavior of the fools in the field. In other words, if the discipline for committing atrocities were severe, which it isn’t, you can bet the behavior would improve.

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  31. The main Kosher media networks like the BBC and CNN have completely blacked out this atrocity festival by the Yahweh Goon Squad aka IDF. Watch out for a rash of phony holocau$t movies.

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  32. @anonymous
    Mr. Lang tells us that IDF murders of innocents are "military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States."

    Mr. Manning showed us otherwise.

    Mr. Lang tells us that IDF murders of innocents are “military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States.”

    Mr. Manning showed us otherwise.

    Many other things can also show us otherwise such as the Sand Creek Massacre (especially the “Christian” Chivington’s remarks and behavior*.) the firebombing of Dresden, the use of atomic weapons on the Japanese, My Lai, Abut Ghraib, etc., ad infinitum.

    * https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/colorado-militia-massacre-cheyenne-at-sand-creek

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  33. In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it. In Bethlehem itself a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that.

    One might say that in war, bad things happen but is the Gaza massacre actually war by any standard. Such behavior is indicative of an army that is not well disciplined and not a completely reliably instrument of state policy. In my travels in the West Bank, it has been noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks is reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other. I think the IDF would be well advised to grow some real sergeants.

    Expunge any reference of the IDF and Israel and The Palestinians from this excerpt and replace with The Nazis and The Jews and it fits like a Glove. The Sadistically Abused have become the Sadistic Abusers within the span of a generation or two and they used their Victimization to accomplish it.

    The Cycle of Abuse.

    Nazism was not defeated in WWII, it just changed Masks.

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    What is more - considerably more - it is quite possible to argue that the Nazis copied their goals and their methods from the Jewish goals and methods described in the Old Testament.

    Master Race - check.
    All other humans considered inferior - check.
    Right to expand and take over land of other humans - check.
    Blitzkrieg - check.
    Secret Police - check.

    And so on.
    , @renfro
    Midget Nazis.
    , @Svigor
    Actually Nazism was informed by Judaism (see Separation and Its Discontents).
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  34. @Anon
    Is there any country which avoids using the "Defense" euphemism? To put it another way, in which countries is it not a euphemism? Australia's case is surely ampngst the least Orwellian inasmuch as its policy is entirely directed to making sure that it will be defended by one of the big boys if any country were to become aggressive - and there is no country against which it threatens conquest.

    Is this what is referred to as “whataboutery”?

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    No. You said "Orwellian" and referred to a perversion of the language so you raise questions of actual usage. And you are wrong in singling out a few countries as if their usage was perverted and thus evidence of something malign.

    Of course no question arises if you correctly assume that when a country first considers what it should do about having armed forces it does not have conquest in mind but the need to deter aggression and join in defensive arrangements.
    , @Svigor
    Calling "whataboutery" is a euphemism for "I got nothin'."
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  35. Joe Hide says:

    Mr. Lang,
    The reason I enjoyed your article was that it provided a unique, thoughtful, and experience based take on a situation that is usually presented as black or white.
    I look forward to more of your articles.

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  36. @Diversity Heretic
    Historically, soldiers have always been very young, often 16 or 17. I remember reading in a history of World War II that the "old man" of an infantry squad (U.S. Army) was often only 23. In one of Rick Atkinson's trilogy about the U.S. Army in WWII (I think it was An Army at Dawn) he mentions American GIs shooting at Bedouins in North Africa more or less for the hell of it.

    We think of soldiers as older because most films use older actors to portray ordinary infantrymen (e.g., Vic Morrow in the old Combat series). James Webb contemplated making a movie of his novel Fields of Fire and wanted to use active-duty American and Vietnamese soldiers to make his point but I guess nothing ever came of the project.

    Trained and experienced police often make errors or judgment in confronting and arresting suspects and they're trained to use restraint--soldiers generally aren't. Using soldiers to police civilians is usually a last resort. You're almost guaranteed to get a higher body count.

    I’m not 100% sure here, but I believe the average age of a G.I in WW II was 26.
    Assuming the popular Australian song is correct (by Redgum) the average age of a Australian Vietnam vet’ was 19.

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    You are correct. The situation was the same here in the USA where the average soldier during the Vietnam conflict was approximately 19 years of age.
    The average age of a WW2 soldier was approximately 26 years of age.
    For a different aspect of war and wartime behavior, please obtain and read "Our War Was Different" by Al Hemingway.
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  37. It must be said that they have typically been lucky in their enemies

    Arabs.

    and that if they had faced more serious enemies,

    Persians.

    This is why Israel is buddy-buddy with Saudi Arabia and terrified of Iran. Tribal camel-jockeys are no threat and Israel has trounced them each time it has faced them. The Arab “big man” culture means, for instance, that superiors will not share information with their subordinates, which has a predictable effect on battle order.

    Iran, however, inherits a culture that once held empire. They are capable of planning, of following orders. Israel’s battles with Persians have not been anywhere near the walkover that their wars until now have been.

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    37 Dave from Oz > Iran [but not the Arabs], however, inherits a culture that once held empire


    No Muslim anywhere (and they are everywhere) prays in Farsi

    They pray in Arabic.

    That didn't arise from internet chat-rooming. It arose from colonialist conquest and empire building by Arabs

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  38. @jilles dykstra
    Jabotinsky in 1923 wrote his essay that just force would drive the Palestinians from their land, 'The Iron Wall', and that this was the zionist ethic.
    What he did not foresee is that this behaviour would destroy the image of jews as eternal innocent victims.

    What [Jabotinsky] did not foresee is that this behaviour would destroy the image of jews as eternal innocent victims.

    He may not have, but a lot of other Jews did object to the Zionist project as damaging to Jewish interests. The Zionist project never really cared about Jews and is one of the worst anti-Semitic movements possible, yet the adolescent-brained jackals forged ahead.

    A few apparently regret it now.

    All the important rabbis of the day cursed Zionism and its founder..[but still]…

    Expressions like “all the world is against us” or “they all want to destroy us” or “all the Goyim are the same” are heard quite often. The great majority of Israelis of all hues believe in them deep in their hearts.

    If we want to turn Israel into a normal nation, all this profusion of [largely pity party] holy (sic) days must be reduced to a normal few.

    -Uri Avnery, One, Two, Three – Rejoice!

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1493999002

    It’s a psychotically violent society founded on and propped up with lies, theft, death, destruction and paranoia and only the most hideous of morons could imagine supporting that vile entity, and making excuses for their behavior, as the author appears to do, is every bit as bad.

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  39. Tom Welsh says:
    @Anon
    This is so patently stupid. Even if not many were killed, this makes IDF look like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER'S LIST shooting randomly at Jews.

    In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF.

    “In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF”.

    I notice that you did not say it was evil, wicked and contemptible.

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  40. Tom Welsh says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it. In Bethlehem itself a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that.

    One might say that in war, bad things happen but is the Gaza massacre actually war by any standard. Such behavior is indicative of an army that is not well disciplined and not a completely reliably instrument of state policy. In my travels in the West Bank, it has been noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks is reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other. I think the IDF would be well advised to grow some real sergeants.
     
    Expunge any reference of the IDF and Israel and The Palestinians from this excerpt and replace with The Nazis and The Jews and it fits like a Glove. The Sadistically Abused have become the Sadistic Abusers within the span of a generation or two and they used their Victimization to accomplish it.

    The Cycle of Abuse.

    Nazism was not defeated in WWII, it just changed Masks.

    What is more – considerably more – it is quite possible to argue that the Nazis copied their goals and their methods from the Jewish goals and methods described in the Old Testament.

    Master Race – check.
    All other humans considered inferior – check.
    Right to expand and take over land of other humans – check.
    Blitzkrieg – check.
    Secret Police – check.

    And so on.

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    - The Germans never claimed to be the 'Master Race'. You have no proof they did.
    - The Germans never claimed 'All other humans inferior'. You have no proof they did.
    - Since when haven't armies throughout history tried to expand their control? It's what they do.
    - 'Blitzkrieg' against military targets, yes. Responded to Allied attacks on civilian targets long after the Allies initiated such attacks.
    - And what country doesn't have a secret police?

    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    Did Britain initiate both world wars?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10458

    Responsibility for WW2: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    www.codoh.com

    , @Zumbuddi
    Quibbles w your argument.

    The so-called Judao-Christian tradition, which includes All ethniticities that embrace Abrahamism, not just Germans in a very brief moment in time, consider themselves "chosen" or "exceptional" or "indispensable." Choseness carried in the seed, or blood, or DNA, is the essential feature of Abrahamism. In this, the British and US offsping are more Judahic than Jews. Also, and what should be recalled via a bus Macron -- the French considered themselves the Masters of Europe for centuries, provision ally ending in Franco-Prussian ear, which rankled France u til final debacles in WWI & WWI I.

    Altho -- as I write this a different aspect of your argument emerges: the Hebrew scriptures are inherently violent and supremacist, and this in a way radically different from the violent myths of other cultures.

    One final thought -- NS Germany attempted to expunge Hebrew scriptural influence from the way Germans expressed Christianity. This effort was condemned as antisemitic.
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  41. @Heros
    "In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens."

    Lets face it, these jews were murdering Christians, and it has been going on since they murdered Jesus. These jews have been inculcated in propaganda and mind control since birth and they take glee in the murder and suffering of Christians. Obviously, Pat Lang has been too, otherwise he would have resigned his commission on the spot.

    I personally refuse to own stock, purchase products, or work for any corporation or organization that I deem immoral or evil. I quit my job at a large bank in 2009 because of this.

    Pat Lang, even after participating in and even leading soldiers in war crimes in Vietnam, now writes about how the jews love to murder Christians, and he watched and did nothing. Pat Lang is a good metaphor for what Americans have become: like these UN blue helmeted Austrian soldiers teasing Syrian police to their murder.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32hamzFVmH0

    You weaken your argument by libeling Colonel Lang. Your talking out of your hat about the war crimes is especially libelous and you need to man up and provide some proof. Basically you are implying he’s some sort of Lt. Calley.

    Until some sort of proof is provided or an apology given for your libel, I will assume that you are just commenting as you did strictly to do a character assassination of Col. Lang.

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    He said himself that he was working with a bunch of Israeli's who were murdering Christian women putting up their laundry. That is enough of a war crime for me.

    I realize that US military types who participated in the genocide of Germans after WWII, who made false testimony and supported fake war crimes charges at Nuremburg now want to distance themselves from the precedents that they set. They all knew the charges against German officers about Katyn massacre were fake, yet they supported it anyway. When Patton was going to object back in the States, they had him murdered.

    Don't get me going about Vietnam, because we all know that if there had been a Nuremburg trial in 1973 that that aggressive war (the worst war crime of all) alone would have meant hanging of thousands of US war criminals, many collecting pensions today and receiving kick backs for their murder in the form of interviews on the (((MSM))).

    , @Heros
    Another point you, and the vast majority of Americans, don't seem to be able to figure out is that you are culpable for all these aggressive war crimes.

    After Hitler won the elections, Germans had no say in how the country and its foreign policy were conducted. Americans are citizens of the "exceptional" nation. They feel justified in waging aggressive wars across the planet for the last 70 years because they are spreading "liberalism" and "democracy".

    I really don't care about what delusions idiot Americans suffer under, but I do have a very big problem with people supporting a government that wages continual and parallel wars of aggression across the planet. By willingly supporting their government, and the "service" of their war criminals, the American sheeple have made themselves culpable for every war crime their government has committed in their name.

    During WWII the US media was constantly pointing out the Hitler was a dictator of the worst kind. The German people could not morally be made culpable for the actions of a dictator and his Gestapo. Yet this never made a difference to the Americans as they cheered on "their boys" while the firebombed innocent civilians in Hamburg, Dresden, and Tokyo. Even worse they nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Cristian capital of Japan. What is it with the army and their murder of Christians anyway. Lang seems to find nothing wrong with it in this article.

    So Americans should realize that they cannot complain when a reverse Morgentau plan is set up to sterilize all Americans, and when a series of Rhine Meadows starvation camps are set up all along the Potomac to house all those millions of Yankee war criminals the same way they starved, infected with disease, and even forced "Disarmed Enemy Combatants" to die of thirst when there was a river right next to the camp.

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  42. Tom Welsh says:
    @Anon
    Is there any country which avoids using the "Defense" euphemism? To put it another way, in which countries is it not a euphemism? Australia's case is surely ampngst the least Orwellian inasmuch as its policy is entirely directed to making sure that it will be defended by one of the big boys if any country were to become aggressive - and there is no country against which it threatens conquest.

    As far as I know, Russia and China aim strictly to defend themselves. True, this may sometimes involve defending strategic allies so that their own national borders are not seriously weakened.

    This is not just a political statement, or vague arm-waving. It has huge implications for the cost and feasibility of defence. Compare what it costs Russia to defend its coasts and borders with what it costs the USA to provide the means for bullying other nations worldwide. For a start, Russia doesn’t need any aircraft carriers and the associated overheads. Its weapons are either strictly defensive or counter-attacking.

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  43. anarchyst says:
    @animalogic
    I'm not 100% sure here, but I believe the average age of a G.I in WW II was 26.
    Assuming the popular Australian song is correct (by Redgum) the average age of a Australian Vietnam vet' was 19.

    You are correct. The situation was the same here in the USA where the average soldier during the Vietnam conflict was approximately 19 years of age.
    The average age of a WW2 soldier was approximately 26 years of age.
    For a different aspect of war and wartime behavior, please obtain and read “Our War Was Different” by Al Hemingway.

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    Thank you.
    Just read a review of the Hemingway book. Very interesting. The US Marines look like they can offer lessons for today, & tomorrow....
    , @jacques sheete

    For a different aspect of war and wartime behavior, please obtain and read “Our War Was Different” by Al Hemingway.
     
    It may not have been much different, morally, than any other unnecessary conflict the US has weasled its way into.

    According to Lindbergh, in his memoirs, Japanese soldiers were not allowed to surrender under any conditions and that's partly how they got an undeserved reputation for fanaticism. They were killed en masse by any means possible. There was little, if any respect shown for the dead by Americans either.

    I've also read stories about the US Marines' leadership having to offer ice cream to the troopies so they wouldn't kill every Japanese they got hold of, on Iwo Jima, I believe. The leaders didn't make the offer out of compassion, but out of the desire to get live prisoners for interrogation.

    Then there's Eisenhower's and Churchill's treatment of German POWs after the war and that of the Russian soldiers who were released back to Stalin to face certain mistreatment if not death.

    Quick search yielded this:

    American soldiers in the Pacific often deliberately killed Japanese soldiers who had surrendered. According to Richard Aldrich, who has published a study of the diaries kept by United States and Australian soldiers, they sometimes massacred prisoners of war. Dower states that in "many instances ... Japanese who did become prisoners were killed on the spot or en route to prison compounds." According to Aldrich it was common practice for U.S. troops not to take prisoners. This analysis is supported by British historian Niall Ferguson,who also says that, in 1943, "a secret [U. S.] intelligence report noted that only the promise of ice cream and three days leave would ... induce American troops not to kill surrendering Japanese."


    "We have this stereotypical idea that the Japanese were all cruel and robotic while the Allied forces were tough but fair in their treatment of the enemy. But I was very surprised by much of what I found and had to rethink all those stereotypes."
    "Oh, we could take more if we wanted to," one of the officers replied. "But our boys don't like to take prisoners.
    https://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/10/american-soldiers-hated-japanese-pow.html

     

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  44. @anarchyst
    You are correct. The situation was the same here in the USA where the average soldier during the Vietnam conflict was approximately 19 years of age.
    The average age of a WW2 soldier was approximately 26 years of age.
    For a different aspect of war and wartime behavior, please obtain and read "Our War Was Different" by Al Hemingway.

    Thank you.
    Just read a review of the Hemingway book. Very interesting. The US Marines look like they can offer lessons for today, & tomorrow….

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    You are very welcome. Mr. Hemingway contacted those of us who were a part of the program.
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  45. The actions of the IDF are a reflection of Israeli policy ie bullying weaker countries and attacking these countries at will and now this includes Syria in particular and so it is no surprise that the IDF would be the mirror image of the state.

    The IDF and Israel know that they have control over the U.S. and so as one commenter so rightly said , have the U.S. military at their beck and call and so the Zionists will continue their bullying ways until they have the U.S. and Russia involved in war and thus fulfill their Zionist NWO goal, and then the gates of HELL will be opened.

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  46. anarchyst says:
    @animalogic
    Thank you.
    Just read a review of the Hemingway book. Very interesting. The US Marines look like they can offer lessons for today, & tomorrow....

    You are very welcome. Mr. Hemingway contacted those of us who were a part of the program.

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  47. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Another psyops brainwashing piece of pablum designed to make the world’s most immoral Army seem like the good guys.

    The IDF is filled with religious zealots who have been taught from birth that GOYIM–us Gentiles–are the enemy and their most holy book, the Talmud, teaches them to murder us GOYIM, because it’s what their G-d says.

    The Palestinians are on the front line of these Judeo-terrorists, who have plenty of support from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, etc that always whitewash their murders and make them appear saintly.

    The road to ME peace goes thru Palestine, but Americans have been conditioned to believe they–and Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis and Iranains–are some kind of savage hordes, ready to spill over into Israel and commit genocide, when the opposite is true.

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  48. Military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States. That ol’ Lang deadpan humor always cracks me up.

    What Lang is describing is tried-and-true US policy for attenuating command responsibility: deploy a bunch of dumb juveniles without adult supervision. When the programmatic atrocities come out, you just lock up a couple hillbillies. This organizational expedient is precisely how CIA and the US military committed systematic and widespread torture constituting crimes against humanity. This is so blindingly obvious that even the derisively-redacted 525-page CIA torture report admits it.

    https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/assets/SR%20complaint%201.19.12%20FINAL.pdf

    https://www.ecchr.eu/en/international-crimes-accountability/

    US universal-jurisdiction crime depends importantly on Israeli technology transfer. Look up documented US use of the Palestinian chair, for shits and grins.

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    Zzzzz.
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  49. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel err the Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi-entity is completely incompetent. I mean 45 people killed in Gaza over tha past month !!!

    Take a cue from your neighbors , fake khazar Jew boys . Assads father killed 25,000 in Hama in just one months time . Hafez Assad , the original lion of Damascus was a capable and noble chap. You Izrahellis can only manage 45 killed in a month !!! Incompetent.

    The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million , a feat the juvenile Izrahellis will not acheive .

    Even the lowly Sudanese have managed to genocide over a million in Darfur and South SudAn and rape a similar number. 45 killed in one month is a joke . FK the incompetent Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi blood matzah holocaust fakers !!!!

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    More BS from Jew cubicle-warriors.

    Hafez al Assad was in an internal war with Muslim Brotherhood TERRORISTS. What was done was done to save Syria.

    25000 is an Israeli number, meaning 25000 is a Jew lie. Maybe 2000.

    If you choose the right month, you can come up with zero deaths by Jew. Maybe not zero. Jew always killing. Sometimes by neglect: Palestinians don't need doctors, medicines, clean water, any water.
    , @Ace
    The death toll from any rebellion in Syria in 2011 would have been under 100 while the government re-established control. Make it a thousand if you want. The other 499,000+ war deaths are because -- and only because -- the U.S., Israel, Turkey, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Falkland Islands financed, trained, supplied, and otherwise supported the scum of the earth in the form of ISIS and al-Qaida.

    You obviously hold to the idea that if the dirt bags or misguided souls of any society decide to try for an attack on the established government, the government's obligation thereupon is simply to surrender to the nearest moron holding an AK.

    Tens of thousands of foreign jihadis flooded into Syria with the blessing of the precious Coalition of which we are a part. They came close to taking over the country but Assad, the SAA, and the SyAAF fought back (the swine) and are the ones at whose feet can be laid all civilian deaths. Whoa. Amazing analysis.
    , @annamaria
    Hey, Anon[412], you have studiously omitted any mentioning of the ziocon-inspired and guided wars against Iraq, Libya, and Syria. These wars would not be possible without the US Congress being an Israel-occupied territory.
    You prefer to talk about Africa, but this discussion is about the US and her relationships with the parasitoid that is acting through the Lobby, AIPAC, ADL, and other 52 major American Jewish organizations that boost the Israel-firsters grip on the US government and military.
    The ongoing Middle Eastern wars, that are known as the wars for Israel, have generated a death toll in the millions -- millions of human beings of all ages. Tell us, Anon[412], about PNAC and Oded Yinon plan, about the USSLiberty coverup, and about the ongoing collaboration between ziocons and neo-Nazis (Banderites) in Ukraine.
    What the name of the current prime minister of Ukraine? -- Mr. Groysman.
    What is the name of the main organizer of the Majdan (neo-Nazi) putsch? -- Mrs. Nuland-Kagan.
    Who had been pushing the yellowcake forgery before the Iraq war tragedy? -- Mr. Ledeen. And the list goes on: Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Wurmser, the whole swarm of Kagans clan, Krauthammer, the crazy Pletka, Podhoretz, Abrams, Miller, Grossman, Frum et al. Not to diminish, of course, the role of the native traitors like Cheney and Bush
    , @Avery
    {The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million....}

    If you are going to lie, at least lie semi-convincingly so as to have some chance of possibly changing the minds of a few unz.com readers who do not know. When you repeat the Neocon lie that current president Assad has supposedly killed ~500,000 Syrians, you expose yourself as a liar.

    It is a provable fact: the estimated ~500K Syrian killed during the 6 year war, which was started by foreign warmongering meddlers (US,UK, France, Turkey, KSA, Israel,.....), and thence prolonged by cannibalistic foreign trained, foreign equipped, foreign funded terrorist scum, were NOT killed by Assad or the Syrian government.

    During 2011-2013, MOST of those killed were Syrian government troops and Government employees. As the war progressed, and SAA got better, and Iranian and Russian aid started coming in, SAA started killing more ISIS scum than losing their own men in battle: Nice.
    Most of the Syrian civilians killed and murdered were killed by foreign terrorist invaders and ISIS throat-cutters. Your Israeli buddies infamously have been providing medical aid to wounded ISIS scum, and then sending them back into Syria to murder more Syrian civilians.

    So your entire post is worthless and bogus.

    btw: your "Izrahellis", etc shtick (get it? shtick) is very convincing. For sure majority of unz.com readers believe you are _not_ an Israeli propagandist. For sure.

    , @James Forrestal
    "The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million..."

    If only there were an easy way to assess which side posed the bigger threat to civilians in the "civil war" in Syria -- Assad's government, or the jihadis...

    For instance, if we were to look at which direction internal refugees flee -- toward areas controlled by the moderate terrorists, or toward government-controlled areas. I wonder what that would show?
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  50. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472
    If your most 'recent' experience with the Israeli ground forces was in 1973, as your brief article indicates, I would suggest it is irrelevant. I would not compare US infantry from that era with the troops of today.

    I am curious though because it is an important topic given the situation. Israeli ground forces did not display the sort of crushing offensive power against Hezbollah in 2006. Hezbollah was well fortified and Israeli armor and air power could not be decisive. It was more Iwo Jima than Blitzkrieg and it may well be the situation Israel would again face were it to try and eradicate Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.

    OTOH if Israel were to avoid a head on fight there and cut off Hezbollah from its Iranian supply routes and rely on its air superiority and ability to concentrate offensive combat power at places of its choosing we'd probably be closer to 1967 than 2006!

    His last experience with Israeli ground forces was during the last Intifada where he saw the shooting of protestors and the shooting at of women hanging laundry by the IDF.

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  52. bjondo says:
    @Anon
    Israel err the Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi-entity is completely incompetent. I mean 45 people killed in Gaza over tha past month !!!

    Take a cue from your neighbors , fake khazar Jew boys . Assads father killed 25,000 in Hama in just one months time . Hafez Assad , the original lion of Damascus was a capable and noble chap. You Izrahellis can only manage 45 killed in a month !!! Incompetent.

    The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million , a feat the juvenile Izrahellis will not acheive .

    Even the lowly Sudanese have managed to genocide over a million in Darfur and South SudAn and rape a similar number. 45 killed in one month is a joke . FK the incompetent Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi blood matzah holocaust fakers !!!!

    More BS from Jew cubicle-warriors.

    Hafez al Assad was in an internal war with Muslim Brotherhood TERRORISTS. What was done was done to save Syria.

    25000 is an Israeli number, meaning 25000 is a Jew lie. Maybe 2000.

    If you choose the right month, you can come up with zero deaths by Jew. Maybe not zero. Jew always killing. Sometimes by neglect: Palestinians don’t need doctors, medicines, clean water, any water.

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    25000 is an Israeli number, meaning 25000 is a Jew lie. Maybe 2000.
     
    Hey , Im on your side , I hate Jews too. Im just pointing out their inferiority . Even if we use your figure of 2,000 killed in Hama by Assad , thats still 40 times the amount the Khazar faker blood matza baker sissy fake Jews could kill in one month !!!
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  53. bjondo says:

    Since my retirement from US government service I have had many business or religious occasions to visit Israel and to watch the IDF in action against various groups of Palestinians all over the West Bank. I have many friends who are retired or reserve members of the IDF.

    What sort of religious occasions? Are you Jew and you go to celebrate atrocities against Palestinians? Are you Christian and you go to … do what? With friends? Murderous, hate-filled monsters are friends?

    Juvenile not a word to use for individuals, even though young in years, whose hatred is fully formed.

    What are you, Lang?

    IDF is JTF is Jew Terrorist Force.

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  54. Heros says:
    @Morongobill
    You weaken your argument by libeling Colonel Lang. Your talking out of your hat about the war crimes is especially libelous and you need to man up and provide some proof. Basically you are implying he's some sort of Lt. Calley.

    Until some sort of proof is provided or an apology given for your libel, I will assume that you are just commenting as you did strictly to do a character assassination of Col. Lang.

    He said himself that he was working with a bunch of Israeli’s who were murdering Christian women putting up their laundry. That is enough of a war crime for me.

    I realize that US military types who participated in the genocide of Germans after WWII, who made false testimony and supported fake war crimes charges at Nuremburg now want to distance themselves from the precedents that they set. They all knew the charges against German officers about Katyn massacre were fake, yet they supported it anyway. When Patton was going to object back in the States, they had him murdered.

    Don’t get me going about Vietnam, because we all know that if there had been a Nuremburg trial in 1973 that that aggressive war (the worst war crime of all) alone would have meant hanging of thousands of US war criminals, many collecting pensions today and receiving kick backs for their murder in the form of interviews on the (((MSM))).

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    Pat Lang says,

    ....I would say that the Israeli government has little control over what individual groups of these young Israeli soldiers may [do]...

    ....the Israeli government’s policy in the present action in the Gaza Strip has been to avoid fatal shootings....
     
    Really? "Mowing the lawn" is well established Israeli policy. This 'post-adolescent bullying' cements the dehumanization of non-Jews with which Israeli youth have been indoctrinated since birth. Killing or wounding a Palestinian is just a kind of gang initiation. These punks are setting themselves up with alpha-Zionist cred.

    Does Lang believe, or does he want us to think he believes, or is he pretending to believe that the ("high IQ masterminds") Israeli establishment don't understand that this is a predictable result of their IDF organization? (See comments #45 and #48.) Is Lang giving himself plausible deniability (of anti-Semitism charges) by excusing the Israeli government of responsibility? Surely Pat knows that it's the grown-up Big Jews that are pulling the triggers.
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  55. While Col. Lang’s argument may have some validity with respect to infantry, you see this same kind of atrocity routinely committed by the air force as well, which makes the “just kids with poor discipline and NCO leadership” characterization much less tenable, and deliberate policy far more likely.

    4 Palestinian kids playing on the beach in Gaza (2014), in front of the Al-Deira hotel where many foreign journalists were staying , then strafed by Israeli aircraft:

    http://newobserveronline.com/dead-children-pictures-a-study-in-the-controlled-medias-anti-european-double-standards/

    Note that the only reason that we know the truth of this episode is because of the sheer number of foreign journalists who witnessed (and photographed) it, making it difficult to completely suppress.

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  56. @Heros
    "In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens."

    Lets face it, these jews were murdering Christians, and it has been going on since they murdered Jesus. These jews have been inculcated in propaganda and mind control since birth and they take glee in the murder and suffering of Christians. Obviously, Pat Lang has been too, otherwise he would have resigned his commission on the spot.

    I personally refuse to own stock, purchase products, or work for any corporation or organization that I deem immoral or evil. I quit my job at a large bank in 2009 because of this.

    Pat Lang, even after participating in and even leading soldiers in war crimes in Vietnam, now writes about how the jews love to murder Christians, and he watched and did nothing. Pat Lang is a good metaphor for what Americans have become: like these UN blue helmeted Austrian soldiers teasing Syrian police to their murder.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32hamzFVmH0

    Pontius Pilate was a Roman prefect, born and raised in Rome, not a Jew. The soldiers who crucified him were Roman as well. But it’s moot since you leftists don’t believe Jesus existed.

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    Oh gosh, I am so sorry. I never knew that the jews had nothing to do with the crucifiction. I can see the error in my ways now. That means that the jews never used goyim blood in their matza balls, that they didn't open the gates and let the moslems into Constantinople and Granada, that all those centuries of stories about usury and money lending was just hate speech, that the talmud is fiction, that jews were kicked out of 150 different countries just because they are so smart, that thousands of jews died on 9/11 too, that 4million jews were gassed and cremated at Auschwitz, that the US is fighting (((Wesley Clarkes))) 7 countries in 5 years for her own benefit.

    Its all clear now.

    Now will you and your Hasbara brethren please stop heckling and kvetching at me?

    , @anarchyst
    The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) do do their "dirty work" for them...
    , @jacques sheete

    But it’s moot since you leftists don’t believe Jesus existed.
     
    Well how many Zionists believe in the g-d of Abraham? And what about them there "rules" written in stone and handed to Moses, 'specially them ones putting a "no-no" on stealing and killing?
    , @Svigor
    And he left his decision to the Jews, who told him they wanted Jesus crucified, and the criminal amnestied. Hence his ritual hand-washing. His sin was in not using his authority to contravene the Jewish mob's demands.
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  57. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Amon Goth’s shooting exploits were technically disproved a long time ago.

    By whom? By people like Wally? LOL.

    Yep, by me and many others.

    Being a religious fanatic, you dodged my post which demolishes the fake Amon Goth tall tale. We know why.
    ‘You can’t handle the truth.’

    Still owning you.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Owned !!!! Haha we got a geezer here

    Hey buddy wait for someone else to say you owned him , kinda defeat the purpose if you have to declare it yourself .......
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  58. Sounds a lot like the US Army to me.

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  59. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @bjondo
    More BS from Jew cubicle-warriors.

    Hafez al Assad was in an internal war with Muslim Brotherhood TERRORISTS. What was done was done to save Syria.

    25000 is an Israeli number, meaning 25000 is a Jew lie. Maybe 2000.

    If you choose the right month, you can come up with zero deaths by Jew. Maybe not zero. Jew always killing. Sometimes by neglect: Palestinians don't need doctors, medicines, clean water, any water.

    25000 is an Israeli number, meaning 25000 is a Jew lie. Maybe 2000.

    Hey , Im on your side , I hate Jews too. Im just pointing out their inferiority . Even if we use your figure of 2,000 killed in Hama by Assad , thats still 40 times the amount the Khazar faker blood matza baker sissy fake Jews could kill in one month !!!

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    Step off. You're a liability to any side.
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  60. Wally says:
    @Tom Welsh
    What is more - considerably more - it is quite possible to argue that the Nazis copied their goals and their methods from the Jewish goals and methods described in the Old Testament.

    Master Race - check.
    All other humans considered inferior - check.
    Right to expand and take over land of other humans - check.
    Blitzkrieg - check.
    Secret Police - check.

    And so on.

    - The Germans never claimed to be the ‘Master Race’. You have no proof they did.
    - The Germans never claimed ‘All other humans inferior’. You have no proof they did.
    - Since when haven’t armies throughout history tried to expand their control? It’s what they do.
    - ‘Blitzkrieg’ against military targets, yes. Responded to Allied attacks on civilian targets long after the Allies initiated such attacks.
    - And what country doesn’t have a secret police?

    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    Did Britain initiate both world wars?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10458

    Responsibility for WW2: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

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    The Germans set the precedent for civilian bombing, even if you don't count atrocities in Belgium in August 1914 by the shelling of Scarborough in December 1914 by cruisers of the High Seas Fleet which killed about 360 civilians. Then by Zeppelins over London, following up, to prove the they were npt finished, by the bombing of Guernica in the late 30s.....
    , @RobinG
    All the Untermenschen know what an idiot you are.
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?
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  61. Heros says:
    @Morongobill
    You weaken your argument by libeling Colonel Lang. Your talking out of your hat about the war crimes is especially libelous and you need to man up and provide some proof. Basically you are implying he's some sort of Lt. Calley.

    Until some sort of proof is provided or an apology given for your libel, I will assume that you are just commenting as you did strictly to do a character assassination of Col. Lang.

    Another point you, and the vast majority of Americans, don’t seem to be able to figure out is that you are culpable for all these aggressive war crimes.

    After Hitler won the elections, Germans had no say in how the country and its foreign policy were conducted. Americans are citizens of the “exceptional” nation. They feel justified in waging aggressive wars across the planet for the last 70 years because they are spreading “liberalism” and “democracy”.

    I really don’t care about what delusions idiot Americans suffer under, but I do have a very big problem with people supporting a government that wages continual and parallel wars of aggression across the planet. By willingly supporting their government, and the “service” of their war criminals, the American sheeple have made themselves culpable for every war crime their government has committed in their name.

    During WWII the US media was constantly pointing out the Hitler was a dictator of the worst kind. The German people could not morally be made culpable for the actions of a dictator and his Gestapo. Yet this never made a difference to the Americans as they cheered on “their boys” while the firebombed innocent civilians in Hamburg, Dresden, and Tokyo. Even worse they nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Cristian capital of Japan. What is it with the army and their murder of Christians anyway. Lang seems to find nothing wrong with it in this article.

    So Americans should realize that they cannot complain when a reverse Morgentau plan is set up to sterilize all Americans, and when a series of Rhine Meadows starvation camps are set up all along the Potomac to house all those millions of Yankee war criminals the same way they starved, infected with disease, and even forced “Disarmed Enemy Combatants” to die of thirst when there was a river right next to the camp.

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    What is it with the army and their murder of Christians anyway
     
    Indonesian army killed half a million Christians in occupied Papua. It continues today. Turks killing many Christians in occupied Cyprus . China killing many Christians and suppressing Christianity. In 14 Muslim countries it is actually illegal and punishable by death to convert to Christianity
    , @Morongobill
    You accused the Colonel of a war crime. I called you on it. Basically your argument is that because he served in the army in Vietnam, where war crimes were committed by other service members, even if he knew nothing, he is just as guilty.

    Total b.s. is this veteran's opinion.

    My suggestion is if you really believe this why not go down sometime to any watering hole where vets hang out and share your beliefs. You know freedom of speech.

    Good luck with that.
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  62. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    Yep, by me and many others.

    Being a religious fanatic, you dodged my post which demolishes the fake Amon Goth tall tale. We know why.
    'You can't handle the truth.'

    Still owning you.

    www.codoh.com

    Owned !!!! Haha we got a geezer here

    Hey buddy wait for someone else to say you owned him , kinda defeat the purpose if you have to declare it yourself …….

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    IOW, you obviously cannot refute the information I have posted here.

    So then, I do own you & will continue to do so. Hurts don't it?

    You're in over your head.

    Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

    www.codoh.com

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  63. Zumbuddi says:
    @Tom Welsh
    What is more - considerably more - it is quite possible to argue that the Nazis copied their goals and their methods from the Jewish goals and methods described in the Old Testament.

    Master Race - check.
    All other humans considered inferior - check.
    Right to expand and take over land of other humans - check.
    Blitzkrieg - check.
    Secret Police - check.

    And so on.

    Quibbles w your argument.

    The so-called Judao-Christian tradition, which includes All ethniticities that embrace Abrahamism, not just Germans in a very brief moment in time, consider themselves “chosen” or “exceptional” or “indispensable.” Choseness carried in the seed, or blood, or DNA, is the essential feature of Abrahamism. In this, the British and US offsping are more Judahic than Jews. Also, and what should be recalled via a bus Macron — the French considered themselves the Masters of Europe for centuries, provision ally ending in Franco-Prussian ear, which rankled France u til final debacles in WWI & WWI I.

    Altho — as I write this a different aspect of your argument emerges: the Hebrew scriptures are inherently violent and supremacist, and this in a way radically different from the violent myths of other cultures.

    One final thought — NS Germany attempted to expunge Hebrew scriptural influence from the way Germans expressed Christianity. This effort was condemned as antisemitic.

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    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to “cement” their claim to the “land of Israel” and of the covenant, to which I reply, “God is not a real estate agent”.
    Jews rejected the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then “null and void”.
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity’s “elder brothers”, which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments–nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status–not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock–subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II ecumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ’s murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them–the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect for Christianity, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.
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  64. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros
    Another point you, and the vast majority of Americans, don't seem to be able to figure out is that you are culpable for all these aggressive war crimes.

    After Hitler won the elections, Germans had no say in how the country and its foreign policy were conducted. Americans are citizens of the "exceptional" nation. They feel justified in waging aggressive wars across the planet for the last 70 years because they are spreading "liberalism" and "democracy".

    I really don't care about what delusions idiot Americans suffer under, but I do have a very big problem with people supporting a government that wages continual and parallel wars of aggression across the planet. By willingly supporting their government, and the "service" of their war criminals, the American sheeple have made themselves culpable for every war crime their government has committed in their name.

    During WWII the US media was constantly pointing out the Hitler was a dictator of the worst kind. The German people could not morally be made culpable for the actions of a dictator and his Gestapo. Yet this never made a difference to the Americans as they cheered on "their boys" while the firebombed innocent civilians in Hamburg, Dresden, and Tokyo. Even worse they nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Cristian capital of Japan. What is it with the army and their murder of Christians anyway. Lang seems to find nothing wrong with it in this article.

    So Americans should realize that they cannot complain when a reverse Morgentau plan is set up to sterilize all Americans, and when a series of Rhine Meadows starvation camps are set up all along the Potomac to house all those millions of Yankee war criminals the same way they starved, infected with disease, and even forced "Disarmed Enemy Combatants" to die of thirst when there was a river right next to the camp.

    What is it with the army and their murder of Christians anyway

    Indonesian army killed half a million Christians in occupied Papua. It continues today. Turks killing many Christians in occupied Cyprus . China killing many Christians and suppressing Christianity. In 14 Muslim countries it is actually illegal and punishable by death to convert to Christianity

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    ...killed half a million Christians...
     
    You forgot to mention the biggest holocaust of Christians, ever, the one instigated by the Bolshies and their rich backers.

    Care to rectify your oversight by telling us about it? Maybe you could start out by telling us who the Bolshies were.
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  65. @Wizard of Oz
    Fascinating if true. The link didn't work. Can you provide one that does please. I think it a bit odd to characterise Wingate as quintessentially British. Gordon "of Khartoum" was no doubt one of Wingate's heroes but Arabists were supposed to predominate in the upper reaches of the Foreign and Colonial Offices.

    Hi. Somehow, I added an extra letter “m” (.comm instead of .com) by mistake in the URL. Please remove one and the link works.

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  66. Heros says:
    @urfullofcrap
    Pontius Pilate was a Roman prefect, born and raised in Rome, not a Jew. The soldiers who crucified him were Roman as well. But it's moot since you leftists don't believe Jesus existed.

    Oh gosh, I am so sorry. I never knew that the jews had nothing to do with the crucifiction. I can see the error in my ways now. That means that the jews never used goyim blood in their matza balls, that they didn’t open the gates and let the moslems into Constantinople and Granada, that all those centuries of stories about usury and money lending was just hate speech, that the talmud is fiction, that jews were kicked out of 150 different countries just because they are so smart, that thousands of jews died on 9/11 too, that 4million jews were gassed and cremated at Auschwitz, that the US is fighting (((Wesley Clarkes))) 7 countries in 5 years for her own benefit.

    Its all clear now.

    Now will you and your Hasbara brethren please stop heckling and kvetching at me?

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  67. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting article, points to minor problems in the Israel army structure and suggests modest remedies. Undoubtedly the IDF is continually working on these problems.
    Probably the author’s suggestions are acknowledged as helpful. Good officers don’t like the idea of “fighting the last war”.

    But then (sigh) comes this hilarious blizzard of posts from actual raving antisemites. Author Lang has made the mistake of illustrating his commentary with anecdotes like the washerwoman target practice, undoubtedly one-time incidents that the IDF deals with in ordinary disciplinary fashion.

    Better to stick to professional military analysis rather than throw “red meat” to antisemites, whether of the the intellectual variety or the “scum” type. Did the author actually say “Gaza massacre”? He surely knows better. Crowd control, whether at a rock concert or a howling Arab riot-assault, has always been a problem. There are always casualties. Modern humane countries like Israel don’t fire volleys of grape up the boulevard any more. We need more cool analysis by experts like Lang. Screaming antisemites are no help.

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    ...undoubtedly one-time incidents that the IDF deals with in ordinary disciplinary fashion.
     
    Undoubtedly you're full of feces. I already commented on Avnery's book which documents many similar incidents.

    Modern humane countries like Israel don’t fire volleys of grape up the boulevard any more.
     
    You mock the concept. Ever hear of blockading necessary life support material? How about Izzy use of white phosphorus on civilians?

    Humane? You must be disoriented because yer trying to peddle BS at UR. Good luck.

    You filthy liars can try to fake it all you want but it only adds to your culpability.

    , @peterAUS

    Interesting article, points to minor problems in the Israel army structure and suggests modest remedies.
     
    Agree for the later, but not former.
    The structure is simply natural for Israeli society. The problems re discipline are related to COIN there. Or using IDF for "policing".

    Undoubtedly the IDF is continually working on these problems.
    Probably the author’s suggestions are acknowledged as helpful. Good officers don’t like the idea of “fighting the last war”.
     
    Correct. There have been several published documents about it.
    It boils down to Israeli society being willing to accept considerable loses in the next clash with Hezbollah. BTW, those documents are in public domain. A bit of Googling and there you are.
    , @Ace
    Shooting a young man who had gone to help a friend who had foolishly crawled obliquely toward the fence and its heroic IDF snipers and was walking [sic] away from the fence isn't a regrettable death in a situation of "crowd control." It's murder. Enough with the "howling mob" nonsense.

    If I say that the Venezuelan government and its troops are a bunch of vicious thugs, am I an anti-Venezuelanite?
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  68. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    - The Germans never claimed to be the 'Master Race'. You have no proof they did.
    - The Germans never claimed 'All other humans inferior'. You have no proof they did.
    - Since when haven't armies throughout history tried to expand their control? It's what they do.
    - 'Blitzkrieg' against military targets, yes. Responded to Allied attacks on civilian targets long after the Allies initiated such attacks.
    - And what country doesn't have a secret police?

    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    Did Britain initiate both world wars?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10458

    Responsibility for WW2: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    www.codoh.com

    The Germans set the precedent for civilian bombing, even if you don’t count atrocities in Belgium in August 1914 by the shelling of Scarborough in December 1914 by cruisers of the High Seas Fleet which killed about 360 civilians. Then by Zeppelins over London, following up, to prove the they were npt finished, by the bombing of Guernica in the late 30s…..

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    The Germans set the precedent for civilian bombing...
     
    Depends on what you mean by bombing, by what you mean by "setting the precedent", and even then, what's your point? Do you mean they set the precedent for the Israeli bombing of Gaza, or what? Explain.

    You may want to read some of the history of warfare, btw.

    , @Wally
    WWI? Laughable.

    I see you cannot prove your other childish assertions that you recited like a parrot, that I challenged. You simply & obviously do not know what you are talking about.

    Guernica? Even more laughable.

    Guernica was a military target, plain & simple.
    Here we go, Guernica, by someone who has actually researched the event, with confirmation.
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Gu ... index.html


    ON APRIL 26, 1937 a handful of planes of the "Condor Legion" carried out sporadic air attacks on the Basque town of Guernica, to deny an important river crossing to the retreating Republican (Communist) forces of the Spanish government. Ninety-eight people died.

    The Condor Legion was a squadron of airforce "volunteers" provided by Hitler's Luftwaffe to the insurgents fighting under General Francisco Franco.

    The air raid on Guernica became a centerpiece of communist and Left-wing propaganda against Hitler and Mussolini. True, reporters later found the town center devastated, but by whom? By the bombs, or after the raid by withdrawing Communists armed with dynamite by the regions' miners?

     

    Reporting on a visit to Guernica, The Times Military Correspondent stated on May 5, 1937:,

    "That Guernica after a week's bombardment by aircraft and artillery should not have shown signs of fire supports the Nationalist contention that aircraft were not responsible for the burning of this town, which was bombed intermittently for a period of two hours. In Guernica few fragments of bombs have been recovered, the façades of buildings still standing are unmarked, and the few craters I inspected were larger than anything hitherto made by a bomb in Spain. From their position it is a fair inference that these craters were caused by exploding mines which were unscientifically laid to cut roads."
     
    A further unidentified source echoed this:

    "What actually happened was that industrial Basques, miners from Asturias, experts in explosives, fired and dynamited the town to a prearranged plan. Two French artillery officers, veterans of World War One inspected the town when Franco's troops entered. What they saw was, they said, largely the result of arson and incendiarism. Petrol had been largely used, plus dynamite. Each alleged 'bomb' crater coincided with a sewer-manhole on the street, and where there had been no sewers there had been no 'bombs.'"
     
    And Sir Arnold Wilson, Conservative Member of Parliament for Hitchin, Hertfordshire, wrote to The Observer after a visit to Guernica, on October 3, 1937:

    There was no evidence of damage from aerial bombardment, he said, but "most if not all of the damage was caused by wilful incendiarism and such is the verdict of the inhabitants." Sir Arnold was convinced that Guernica was a "put-up job," a Red atrocity-story calculated to recoil on Franco and the Germans.

     
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  69. renfro says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it. In Bethlehem itself a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that.

    One might say that in war, bad things happen but is the Gaza massacre actually war by any standard. Such behavior is indicative of an army that is not well disciplined and not a completely reliably instrument of state policy. In my travels in the West Bank, it has been noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks is reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other. I think the IDF would be well advised to grow some real sergeants.
     
    Expunge any reference of the IDF and Israel and The Palestinians from this excerpt and replace with The Nazis and The Jews and it fits like a Glove. The Sadistically Abused have become the Sadistic Abusers within the span of a generation or two and they used their Victimization to accomplish it.

    The Cycle of Abuse.

    Nazism was not defeated in WWII, it just changed Masks.

    Midget Nazis.

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  70. RobinG says:
    @Heros
    He said himself that he was working with a bunch of Israeli's who were murdering Christian women putting up their laundry. That is enough of a war crime for me.

    I realize that US military types who participated in the genocide of Germans after WWII, who made false testimony and supported fake war crimes charges at Nuremburg now want to distance themselves from the precedents that they set. They all knew the charges against German officers about Katyn massacre were fake, yet they supported it anyway. When Patton was going to object back in the States, they had him murdered.

    Don't get me going about Vietnam, because we all know that if there had been a Nuremburg trial in 1973 that that aggressive war (the worst war crime of all) alone would have meant hanging of thousands of US war criminals, many collecting pensions today and receiving kick backs for their murder in the form of interviews on the (((MSM))).

    Pat Lang says,

    ….I would say that the Israeli government has little control over what individual groups of these young Israeli soldiers may [do]…

    ….the Israeli government’s policy in the present action in the Gaza Strip has been to avoid fatal shootings….

    Really? “Mowing the lawn” is well established Israeli policy. This ‘post-adolescent bullying’ cements the dehumanization of non-Jews with which Israeli youth have been indoctrinated since birth. Killing or wounding a Palestinian is just a kind of gang initiation. These punks are setting themselves up with alpha-Zionist cred.

    Does Lang believe, or does he want us to think he believes, or is he pretending to believe that the (“high IQ masterminds”) Israeli establishment don’t understand that this is a predictable result of their IDF organization? (See comments #45 and #48.) Is Lang giving himself plausible deniability (of anti-Semitism charges) by excusing the Israeli government of responsibility? Surely Pat knows that it’s the grown-up Big Jews that are pulling the triggers.

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    But, what part of "business opportunities to travel to Israel" you and some others who, so rightly, see a somehow subtly, or not so, discharging of Israeli genocidal snippers in Gaza have not understood?

    I will leave the religious part of his "opportunities to travel to Israel" aside, as less important....or, perhaps, not so....since...is he perhaps a "crusader", and as such, would collude with the Zionists in expelling the muslims from the Holy Land?


    ...Lang is a member of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, a Roman Catholic chivalric order, in which he holds the rank of Knight Commander...
     
    One wonders how in the Earth a man coming from humble origins ( by his own words...) managed to be a Knight Commander of any order of the Holy Sepulchre....Sounds quite intriguing, to say the least...
    If it is true that he is of so humble origins, then he has escalated a lot...not an easy thing for proletarians´ offspring....You need to accumulate merits for that....
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  71. jamesm says:

    good comments heros.. thanks for stating all that..

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  72. RobinG says:
    @Wally
    - The Germans never claimed to be the 'Master Race'. You have no proof they did.
    - The Germans never claimed 'All other humans inferior'. You have no proof they did.
    - Since when haven't armies throughout history tried to expand their control? It's what they do.
    - 'Blitzkrieg' against military targets, yes. Responded to Allied attacks on civilian targets long after the Allies initiated such attacks.
    - And what country doesn't have a secret police?

    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    Did Britain initiate both world wars?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10458

    Responsibility for WW2: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    www.codoh.com

    All the Untermenschen know what an idiot you are.

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    More desperate name calling from one of The Usual Enemies of Free Speech.

    Note that he cannot refute my posts.

    www.codoh.com

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  73. RobinG says:
    @Anon

    25000 is an Israeli number, meaning 25000 is a Jew lie. Maybe 2000.
     
    Hey , Im on your side , I hate Jews too. Im just pointing out their inferiority . Even if we use your figure of 2,000 killed in Hama by Assad , thats still 40 times the amount the Khazar faker blood matza baker sissy fake Jews could kill in one month !!!

    Step off. You’re a liability to any side.

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    What are you , some type of compensated hasbara rat ? You think Izrahelli Khazar ethnic Poles and Germans fake Jews can go up against the Assad regime then you are delusional.
    Assads have been capable of killing 30,000 per month since the early 80s. Izrahell blood matza colonialists can only kill 45 per month . Syria is much superior and they are Aryan Alawites not some Turkik Polish mash up race mix like the fake Jew Khazars . Look at Assads blonde blue haired , milk white skin family.Case closed.
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  74. @anarchyst
    You are correct. The situation was the same here in the USA where the average soldier during the Vietnam conflict was approximately 19 years of age.
    The average age of a WW2 soldier was approximately 26 years of age.
    For a different aspect of war and wartime behavior, please obtain and read "Our War Was Different" by Al Hemingway.

    For a different aspect of war and wartime behavior, please obtain and read “Our War Was Different” by Al Hemingway.

    It may not have been much different, morally, than any other unnecessary conflict the US has weasled its way into.

    According to Lindbergh, in his memoirs, Japanese soldiers were not allowed to surrender under any conditions and that’s partly how they got an undeserved reputation for fanaticism. They were killed en masse by any means possible. There was little, if any respect shown for the dead by Americans either.

    I’ve also read stories about the US Marines’ leadership having to offer ice cream to the troopies so they wouldn’t kill every Japanese they got hold of, on Iwo Jima, I believe. The leaders didn’t make the offer out of compassion, but out of the desire to get live prisoners for interrogation.

    Then there’s Eisenhower’s and Churchill’s treatment of German POWs after the war and that of the Russian soldiers who were released back to Stalin to face certain mistreatment if not death.

    Quick search yielded this:

    American soldiers in the Pacific often deliberately killed Japanese soldiers who had surrendered. According to Richard Aldrich, who has published a study of the diaries kept by United States and Australian soldiers, they sometimes massacred prisoners of war. Dower states that in “many instances … Japanese who did become prisoners were killed on the spot or en route to prison compounds.” According to Aldrich it was common practice for U.S. troops not to take prisoners. This analysis is supported by British historian Niall Ferguson,who also says that, in 1943, “a secret [U. S.] intelligence report noted that only the promise of ice cream and three days leave would … induce American troops not to kill surrendering Japanese.”

    “We have this stereotypical idea that the Japanese were all cruel and robotic while the Allied forces were tough but fair in their treatment of the enemy. But I was very surprised by much of what I found and had to rethink all those stereotypes.”
    “Oh, we could take more if we wanted to,” one of the officers replied. “But our boys don’t like to take prisoners.

    https://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/10/american-soldiers-hated-japanese-pow.html

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    Japs' kamikaze tactics belie that. Jap penchant for honorable suicide over ignominious capture is well-known and long predates WWII.
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  75. Several more observations.

    1.) Lang says, “I think the IDF would be well advised to grow some real sergeants.” Huh? So they can better manage, and slowly genocide, the Palestinians they treat as, and consider, subhuman? We don’t need to be advising Israel of anything. What we do need to do is let it sink or swim on its own, and I’m fairly confident that without America’s financial & political support, Israel would cease to exist as it exists now in its current form. It would have to drastically change its ways, or face annihilation.

    2.) Is this article an advertisement for Lang’s services? I mean, this is his business in retirement afterall, isn’t it? To that end, sure, why not make some Bank on training the IDF to treat the Palestinians like Donkeys rather than Rats?

    Not that the IDF would solicit his services. The IDF doesn’t care. It has Nukes, and I have no doubt Israel would light up Jordan, Syria and Egypt if they ever did decide to march on Jerusalem. Russia, that’s another story entirely. Wouldn’t it be something to see Russia put Israel in its place. It’ll never happen. Russia’s too frightened of America to be so bold. Bullies avoid real fights with each other. They prefer Easy Defenseless Targets.

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  76. @Wally
    - The Germans never claimed to be the 'Master Race'. You have no proof they did.
    - The Germans never claimed 'All other humans inferior'. You have no proof they did.
    - Since when haven't armies throughout history tried to expand their control? It's what they do.
    - 'Blitzkrieg' against military targets, yes. Responded to Allied attacks on civilian targets long after the Allies initiated such attacks.
    - And what country doesn't have a secret police?

    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    Did Britain initiate both world wars?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10458

    Responsibility for WW2: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    www.codoh.com

    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

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    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?
     
    Yes. By being such a mild milquetoast regime and coddling and pampering the Jews they set a precedent that allows Jews to get away with mischief until this day .
    , @nsa
    Sure, the Germans did many things wrong......for example, they somehow missed converting your relatives into lampshades.
    , @jacques sheete

    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?
     
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Zionists did wrong between 1896 and the present? Or, say, 1948 and the present? How about the last decade? Last month?
    , @Wally
    Well, the Germans did nothing that was not the norm worldwide at the time, nothing that was not the norm in WWII.

    That was easy.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    www.codoh.com
    , @James Forrestal
    Perhaps some slightly different questions might be more productive, such as:

    Was the propaganda produced during WW2 by the Allies 100%, absolutely, entirely truthful?

    Did they tell any lies, or exaggerate in any way in this propaganda? If so, what were some of the most egregious lies and exaggerations?

    What was the purpose of SHAEF's Psychological Warfare Division?

    Why did Orwell base the "Ministry of Truth" in 1984 on the British "Ministry of Information," where he worked during the war?

    Were any representatives from neutral countries (Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal, Spain, etc.) involved in the Nuremberg "trials" as prosecutors, judges, etc.? Or was the whole thing run by the combatants from one side of the war? Does the answer to this question tell you anything about the objectivity of the trials?

    The head Soviet judge at Nuremberg, Iona Nikitchenko, was also the main judge at the Moscow trials in during Stalin's Great Purges of 1936 to 1938. According to The Narrative, one of these sets of trials was a model of impartial, fair jurisprudence, and the other consisted of "show trials" motivated solely by paranoia, hatred, and the desire to punish enemies (real and perceived). Which was which, and why? How could a man change so completely? Or did those Trotskyite-Zinovievite wreckers go to a much-deserved fate for their crimes at the hands of an impartial, objective Soviet justice system, after all?

    Who was charged with the Katyn massacre at Nuremberg, and when did the truth finally come out? (despite massive forensic evidence, contemporaneous neutral witness testimony at the time of the discovery of the bodies, etc.)
    What does the answer tell you about the power of a consistently-promoted narrative to overcome truth?

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  77. WRM says:

    Anyone wanting more information about the Swiss Army brought up by Col. Lang would do well to look at this paper written Gens. Walt Kelly and Geo. S. Patton Jr. from 1983.

    http://constitution.org/mil/swiss_report.htm

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  78. j says: • Website

    Lang’s article is serious and professional, and deserved a better class of commentariat. The title “Juvenile…” reflects reality, the IDF is a young army and officers advance fast and retire at about 45. In many ways, the army is a continuation of high school, with classes and outings, and has the spirit of Jewish youth movements and summer camps. Traditionally, the leaders are one or two years older than the group, which is totally contrary to the American Army with professional sergeants and career soldiers. We adopt a different model because we do not want an established military caste like the Czarist or the pre-WWII German army.Or third world armies, always conspiring to impose “order” and establish a dictatorship a-la-Khaddafi. BTW in the IDF there are no sadistic sergeants “breaking down” the conscripts as used to in the USA.

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    Agree.

    It's interesting to point that all, say, "militias", or "freedom fighters" are actually organized as I.D.F.

    Hezbollah, for example, too. Isn't that a crackup?
    Worked well for Donbass too.

    That topic is serious and it's interesting to see how "US" (or, actually, British) model is used as a reference.

    For example, Partisans in Balkans, fighting against Axis (and assortment of their domestic allies) used the same model. Worked for them rather well.
    And, the same principle was used by secession republics/regions in wars in Yugoslavia. Croats, Bosnian Muslims, Kosovars used exactly the same principle to build their armed forces.
    Makes you think, a?

    And, actually, didn't the Cromwell New Army work on the same principle?
    Or US rebels against the Crown?

    Somebody would say that IDF model is exactly what would be required for US militia fighting against the State. Say, uprising, rebellion...or, God forbid, secession from Washington D.C.

    So.....it's a bit more complicated than the author is making of it here.
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  79. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:

    In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.

    After you witnessed this did you make any attempt to protest to the Israelis? Did you report it to Americans?

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    Yeah, a guy with balls would have decked the little hebe.
    , @Dissenter
    Good and right questions I was about to make...
    , @Johnny Rico

    "...shoot at..."
     
    Apparently nobody was hurt. This article is largely anecdotal, like most "news."

    My favorite is:


    "..the Syrians gave them a very difficult time in 1973..."
     
    Why this is even included in a 1300-word piece about today's IDF by an analyst of this reputation is beyond me.
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  80. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG
    Step off. You're a liability to any side.

    What are you , some type of compensated hasbara rat ? You think Izrahelli Khazar ethnic Poles and Germans fake Jews can go up against the Assad regime then you are delusional.
    Assads have been capable of killing 30,000 per month since the early 80s. Izrahell blood matza colonialists can only kill 45 per month . Syria is much superior and they are Aryan Alawites not some Turkik Polish mash up race mix like the fake Jew Khazars . Look at Assads blonde blue haired , milk white skin family.Case closed.

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  81. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

    Yes. By being such a mild milquetoast regime and coddling and pampering the Jews they set a precedent that allows Jews to get away with mischief until this day .

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  82. @Kemerd
    Yes indeed, that is also my thinking. Any of the actions of israel (not only army) seems to be designed to dehumanize Arabs, presumably to ensure no opposition within Israel could develop amid an openly racist regime

    You may not be politically right-of-center, I typically assume most commenters on this site are, you may not be.
    That said: the right needs to decide whether its OK with Israel having walls, and being a Jewish state, or not.
    The actions in Gaza since Good Friday are indefensible regardless of where one comes down on that question, but once there is an account for those actions and perpetrators brought to justice, we still have this question: is Israel allowed to be a Jewish state?
    If the right can’t come down on the question on one side or the other it is bad faith and at best it will never get a majority with political will to achieve its own aims and at worst it goes the way fascisms in times past have gone.
    There’s all kinds of points to quibble over but ultimately that question needs to be settled.

    If Israel isn’t allowed to be a nationalist entity it’s going to be a lot harder for the right to explain why anyone else should be.

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    Let's turn your question around...If Israel is allowed to be a nationalist entity, why do its jewish inhabitants insist that EVERYONE ELSE give up their right to be a nationalist entity. The old jewish "divide and conquer" strategy is alive and well. Multiculturalism and diversity for thee, but not for me...is the zionist mantra...
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  83. In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.

    Now we know where Spielberg got the inspiration for Amon Goeth Sniper Scene in Schindler’s List. Same thing, really. REALLY.

    Speaking of The Holocaust, when will Hollywood do an Epic Film on The Nakba? I won’t hold my breath. Maybe Saudi Arabia can since it’s now hosting Pro Wrestling Events. Terrorists LOVE them some Pro Wrestling in the morning. More than Napalm, even, or Falafel.

    I hear Trump arranged this.

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  84. @Anon
    The Germans set the precedent for civilian bombing, even if you don't count atrocities in Belgium in August 1914 by the shelling of Scarborough in December 1914 by cruisers of the High Seas Fleet which killed about 360 civilians. Then by Zeppelins over London, following up, to prove the they were npt finished, by the bombing of Guernica in the late 30s.....

    The Germans set the precedent for civilian bombing…

    Depends on what you mean by bombing, by what you mean by “setting the precedent”, and even then, what’s your point? Do you mean they set the precedent for the Israeli bombing of Gaza, or what? Explain.

    You may want to read some of the history of warfare, btw.

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  85. anarchyst says:
    @urfullofcrap
    Pontius Pilate was a Roman prefect, born and raised in Rome, not a Jew. The soldiers who crucified him were Roman as well. But it's moot since you leftists don't believe Jesus existed.

    The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) do do their “dirty work” for them…

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  86. @Anon

    What is it with the army and their murder of Christians anyway
     
    Indonesian army killed half a million Christians in occupied Papua. It continues today. Turks killing many Christians in occupied Cyprus . China killing many Christians and suppressing Christianity. In 14 Muslim countries it is actually illegal and punishable by death to convert to Christianity

    …killed half a million Christians…

    You forgot to mention the biggest holocaust of Christians, ever, the one instigated by the Bolshies and their rich backers.

    Care to rectify your oversight by telling us about it? Maybe you could start out by telling us who the Bolshies were.

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    Orhodox Christian Josef Stalin. Goyim killing goyim .
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  87. @urfullofcrap
    Pontius Pilate was a Roman prefect, born and raised in Rome, not a Jew. The soldiers who crucified him were Roman as well. But it's moot since you leftists don't believe Jesus existed.

    But it’s moot since you leftists don’t believe Jesus existed.

    Well how many Zionists believe in the g-d of Abraham? And what about them there “rules” written in stone and handed to Moses, ‘specially them ones putting a “no-no” on stealing and killing?

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    and lying and coveting
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  88. nsa says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

    Sure, the Germans did many things wrong……for example, they somehow missed converting your relatives into lampshades.

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  89. anarchyst says:
    @Wally
    " like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER’S LIST shooting randomly at Jews."

    Except he never did such a thing. He could not have done such a thing,

    http://whale.to/b/plas21.gif
    see:
    'Comparing the stories of Amon Göth and Karl Otto Koch'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10432&p=78794
    more:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=Amon+Goeth

    www.codoh.com

    You are correct about Amon Goth. In fact, “Schindler’s List” is classified as FICTION as the publisher’s own claim on the spine of the book…Even the American library system classification lists it as fiction…

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    Wikipedia on Amon Goth:

    Göth, described by survivors as a huge and imposing man, personally murdered prisoners on a daily basis. His two dogs, Rolf, a Great Dane, and Ralf, an Alsatian mix, were trained to tear inmates to death.[35][41] When Göth suspected that his dogs preferred the company of one of their inmate handlers, a man named Adam Sztab, he killed Sztab.[42] He shot people from the window of his office if they appeared to be moving too slowly or resting in the yard.[35] He shot to death a Jewish cook because the soup was too hot.
     
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  90. @anonymous
    Interesting article, points to minor problems in the Israel army structure and suggests modest remedies. Undoubtedly the IDF is continually working on these problems.
    Probably the author’s suggestions are acknowledged as helpful. Good officers don’t like the idea of “fighting the last war”.

    But then (sigh) comes this hilarious blizzard of posts from actual raving antisemites. Author Lang has made the mistake of illustrating his commentary with anecdotes like the washerwoman target practice, undoubtedly one-time incidents that the IDF deals with in ordinary disciplinary fashion.

    Better to stick to professional military analysis rather than throw “red meat” to antisemites, whether of the the intellectual variety or the “scum” type. Did the author actually say “Gaza massacre”? He surely knows better. Crowd control, whether at a rock concert or a howling Arab riot-assault, has always been a problem. There are always casualties. Modern humane countries like Israel don’t fire volleys of grape up the boulevard any more. We need more cool analysis by experts like Lang. Screaming antisemites are no help.

    …undoubtedly one-time incidents that the IDF deals with in ordinary disciplinary fashion.

    Undoubtedly you’re full of feces. I already commented on Avnery’s book which documents many similar incidents.

    Modern humane countries like Israel don’t fire volleys of grape up the boulevard any more.

    You mock the concept. Ever hear of blockading necessary life support material? How about Izzy use of white phosphorus on civilians?

    Humane? You must be disoriented because yer trying to peddle BS at UR. Good luck.

    You filthy liars can try to fake it all you want but it only adds to your culpability.

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    Thanks for volunteering as a specimen of the sort of half-ass anti-Israel propaganda I was talking about. But do you really think it's a contribution to intelligent discussion? Far-out nonogenarian nut-job Uri Avnery (author of Israel Without Zionists) has been spreading anti-Israel garbage for most of the duration of the State. Sorry, he doesn't count for "documenting" Israel's crimes--can't you do better?

    You certainly know Israel has blockaded no "life support material". They can take all they want into Gaza--through the checkpoints! But on boats with no inspection...would you trust Hamas or the PLO? You seem a little more intelligent than that!

    BTW, you'll note in the context of this discussion I'm sort of using anti-Israel and antisemitic as synonyms. They're not exactly the same, but, well, you kind of have a feel for it, if you want to deny Israel the right to reasonable commentary that you grant to every other country, ergo anti-Israel = antisemitic.
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  91. @Anonymous

    In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.
     
    After you witnessed this did you make any attempt to protest to the Israelis? Did you report it to Americans?

    Yeah, a guy with balls would have decked the little hebe.

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  92. @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Zionists did wrong between 1896 and the present? Or, say, 1948 and the present? How about the last decade? Last month?

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    Yeah, pretty much the whole endeavor, from the beginning to now. It was the wrong idea from the start.
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  93. anarchyst says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    You may not be politically right-of-center, I typically assume most commenters on this site are, you may not be.
    That said: the right needs to decide whether its OK with Israel having walls, and being a Jewish state, or not.
    The actions in Gaza since Good Friday are indefensible regardless of where one comes down on that question, but once there is an account for those actions and perpetrators brought to justice, we still have this question: is Israel allowed to be a Jewish state?
    If the right can't come down on the question on one side or the other it is bad faith and at best it will never get a majority with political will to achieve its own aims and at worst it goes the way fascisms in times past have gone.
    There's all kinds of points to quibble over but ultimately that question needs to be settled.

    If Israel isn't allowed to be a nationalist entity it's going to be a lot harder for the right to explain why anyone else should be.

    Let’s turn your question around…If Israel is allowed to be a nationalist entity, why do its jewish inhabitants insist that EVERYONE ELSE give up their right to be a nationalist entity. The old jewish “divide and conquer” strategy is alive and well. Multiculturalism and diversity for thee, but not for me…is the zionist mantra…

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    You're repeating a point made on this site by commenters all the time and its funny how you segue from a well-posed question to an enemy conspiracy.

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.

    Don't harangue Israel for apartheid unless your point is to undermine the very nationalism you claim to support. We are not about to abolish the Jewish state so that you can have your ethnostate.

    Otherwise: you are trying to scrub Jewish thoughts. What if you are right? So what? So a Jewish person had a tribal thought?

    oh! shiiivvers! Good golly Miss Molly!

    How do you react when "the left" tries to scrub your thoughts? Pretty badly would be my guess and I don't blame you if that's true.

    People have bad thoughts - what matters is what they do, and what you do. Hold your ground and demand the same right. If they argue-and they will-get them to define the right they have, in their words, and claim the same right, and hold your claim, don't segue to mind reading and thought policing.

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  94. I believe it has been quite apparent for a while among serious military analysts that the view of the Israeli IDF is less than stellar.

    I have written on several occasions that the Israeli military under state policies have created the exact same situation that the Spartans did with the surrounding Helots in antiquity. Because of the Spartan occupation of Helot territory and the subsequent oppression of the Helot people (as with the Palestinians with Israel), the Spartan military capabilities were severely curtailed in what they could accomplish as an effective fighting force.

    This is not to say that the Spartan soldier\warrior was just a myth. He was most certainly not. In fact it was the Helot occupation that gave rise to the Spartan fighter as we have come to know him. However, When Sparta went into conflict she had two Enemies already against her; the Helots to her rear and the enemy to her front.

    Due to the limited for of warfare in antiquity the Spartan Army was able to overcome this impediment to their excellent capabilities until she engaged in the Peloponnesian Wars, which basically took the vigor out of Spartan society altogether.

    Though I have no disputes with anything that the author states since it is all based upon his experiences with his interactions with the IDF, his analysis as excellent as it is, misses a number of points that can seriously be seen as f0rce multipliers against the IDF.

    Unlike the Spartans (at least until the wars with Athens as just noted), like most city-states in antiquity, Sparta did not have to confront the region-wide hate by most of the surrounding populations that in today’s Mid-East is slowly being coalesced into formidable obstacles for Israel’s continuing “Greater Israel” project. This can be seen with the growing alliances between Iran, Syria, Russia, and Iran’s proxy, Hezbollah. And by the way, Hezbollah did not just provide a hint to the Israeli military of what was to come in the future, but was quite explicit about the decreasing capabilities of the IDF in that engagement.

    National militaries are also reflective of national sociology since such entities are comprised of the citizens of any given state. That being said, the sociology in Israel at this point in time is only capable of producing new sociopaths since that is what the national sociology has become. Anyone with half a brain can see this if the review the ongoing assaults on the Palestinians simply from the introductions recent legal policies. Healthy and well-adjusted societies do not create such ridiculous law against a minority group in the way Israel has.

    As a result of this construct it is doubtful that even the introduction of career NCOs to the IDF would alleviate the immaturity of the general conscript since over 70% of Israelis are in agreement with national policies and recent polls have shown such a percentage to be even higher. Career NCOs at this juncture would only include older adults with the same personal pathologies as the state.

    It is true that Israel relies very heavily on US aid but to date US soldiers have never been involved with the IDF in direct confrontations with ground enemies of the Israeli state. This is something that even the current bellicose US Congress may not be able to muster without facing serious conflict with the US citizenry. This is not to say that it will not happen given anything could with President Moron at the helm of state. However, it is not very likely.

    US proxy endeavors are also facing very serious issues and are being defeated on a daily basis; this in addition to the fact that though President Putin may “entertain” Israeli officials, he has certainly provided no indication to date that he is willing to assuage Israeli9 concerns by adjusting his actions towards his own nation’s interests. Whatever people complain about in this regard is more reflective of Putin’s caution in dealing with a US government that has become completely unbalanced.

    Finally, as a result of the author’s analysis of the IDF’s infrastructure and deployment capabilities, he has confirmed what has been a major issue for the IDF since its inception; its longevity in a major conflict. This then is still limited to a mere 30 days before Israel will suffer irreparable reversals to its military capabilities.

    And even if the US agreed to supply her with US units, by the time they could reach Israel in any number, she would already be defeated by a more durable opponent. And there is no doubt that with the current deprivations by the Israeli government she is quite aware of this.

    The long term prognosis for Israel is not a good one. And as a nation there is very little that can be done any longer to change the sociology of the citizenry since there is no cure for any serious form of aberrant sociopathology.

    In a recent interview with Max Blumenthal who has written some serious indictments of the Israeli state, he stated quite categorically that Israel has no real future since she has no people to create one with. Even Israeli sociologist, Amos Elon, hinted at this in the 1960s with his studies of the Israeli young adults that were beginning to become the nation’s foremost producers as well as a new cadre of leaders. For him, they were simply too immature…

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    Agree with your analysis of the Israeli state situation and future....

    As Hassan Nasrallah said once in one of his famous speeches ( broadcasted to the very Israeli homes...) about the takfiris currently terrorizing and destroying the whole Middle East, ( I will try to paraphrase him ), "fanatics end always tiring of themselves, and fighting and destroying each other", and we can observe this outcome amongst the terrorists of different franchises in Syria...
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  95. chris says:

    Gee I wonder if this author would have used such a non-chalant, matter-of-fact description of obvious imoral acts of savagery if he was describing any other army’s behavior; even if discussing a strategic question.

    How about standing up for some of these victims, you weasel?

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  96. Dissenter says:
    @RobinG
    Pat Lang says,

    ....I would say that the Israeli government has little control over what individual groups of these young Israeli soldiers may [do]...

    ....the Israeli government’s policy in the present action in the Gaza Strip has been to avoid fatal shootings....
     
    Really? "Mowing the lawn" is well established Israeli policy. This 'post-adolescent bullying' cements the dehumanization of non-Jews with which Israeli youth have been indoctrinated since birth. Killing or wounding a Palestinian is just a kind of gang initiation. These punks are setting themselves up with alpha-Zionist cred.

    Does Lang believe, or does he want us to think he believes, or is he pretending to believe that the ("high IQ masterminds") Israeli establishment don't understand that this is a predictable result of their IDF organization? (See comments #45 and #48.) Is Lang giving himself plausible deniability (of anti-Semitism charges) by excusing the Israeli government of responsibility? Surely Pat knows that it's the grown-up Big Jews that are pulling the triggers.

    But, what part of “business opportunities to travel to Israel” you and some others who, so rightly, see a somehow subtly, or not so, discharging of Israeli genocidal snippers in Gaza have not understood?

    I will leave the religious part of his “opportunities to travel to Israel” aside, as less important….or, perhaps, not so….since…is he perhaps a “crusader”, and as such, would collude with the Zionists in expelling the muslims from the Holy Land?

    …Lang is a member of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, a Roman Catholic chivalric order, in which he holds the rank of Knight Commander…

    One wonders how in the Earth a man coming from humble origins ( by his own words…) managed to be a Knight Commander of any order of the Holy Sepulchre….Sounds quite intriguing, to say the least…
    If it is true that he is of so humble origins, then he has escalated a lot…not an easy thing for proletarians´ offspring….You need to accumulate merits for that….

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  97. RobinG says:
    @jacques sheete

    But it’s moot since you leftists don’t believe Jesus existed.
     
    Well how many Zionists believe in the g-d of Abraham? And what about them there "rules" written in stone and handed to Moses, 'specially them ones putting a "no-no" on stealing and killing?

    and lying and coveting

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  98. peterAUS says:

    Nice article. Good to see that, refreshing, quality here regarding the topic.

    A couple of thoughts, though.
    The author approaches the topic, obviously, from an American point of view. Comparisons are made based on US model. Well, correct they may be, but, again, military (or ground forces) don’t exist b itself. Its roots are in a society. Society is the key, the foundation. Then, the role of the military. Etc.
    So, maybe Israeli model isn’t good by American standards. Well, American model isn’t good by Israeli standards.
    At the end of the day it’s all about “delivery”. So far it has worked well for the state of Israel.
    As, quote:
    The IDF mission is to “defend the existence, territorial integrity and sovereignty of the state of Israel. To protect the inhabitants of Israel and to combat all forms of terrorism which threaten the daily life.
    So, agree, of course with:

    All in all, I think the IDF ground forces can best be described as a specialized tool that reflects 20th century Zionist socialist and nationalist ideals, and which have military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States.

    As for:

    They can also be justly said to have been fortunate in their enemies.

    Or they had a good assessment of potential enemies and acted accordingly.

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  99. Dissenter says:
    @Anonymous

    In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.
     
    After you witnessed this did you make any attempt to protest to the Israelis? Did you report it to Americans?

    Good and right questions I was about to make…

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  100. peterAUS says:
    @unit472
    If your most 'recent' experience with the Israeli ground forces was in 1973, as your brief article indicates, I would suggest it is irrelevant. I would not compare US infantry from that era with the troops of today.

    I am curious though because it is an important topic given the situation. Israeli ground forces did not display the sort of crushing offensive power against Hezbollah in 2006. Hezbollah was well fortified and Israeli armor and air power could not be decisive. It was more Iwo Jima than Blitzkrieg and it may well be the situation Israel would again face were it to try and eradicate Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.

    OTOH if Israel were to avoid a head on fight there and cut off Hezbollah from its Iranian supply routes and rely on its air superiority and ability to concentrate offensive combat power at places of its choosing we'd probably be closer to 1967 than 2006!

    Israeli ground forces did not display the sort of crushing offensive power against Hezbollah in 2006. Hezbollah was well fortified and Israeli armor and air power could not be decisive. It was more Iwo Jima than Blitzkrieg and it may well be the situation Israel would again face were it to try and eradicate Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.

    There have been several discussions here regarding that topic.

    The main premise was limited incursion in Lebanon and securing the South by IDF.

    You could skim through my post history and you’ll find them. Not because of my input (feel free to skip all my posts) but there were posts by an American right-wing Jew with good inside info, plus link a document. Shouldn’t take you more than half an hour to find it.
    If I were you I’d read that document and go from there. Shouldn’t take you more than an hour.

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    You are good for a hearty laugh, shill!

    Please keep the BS coming!
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  101. peterAUS says:
    @anonymous
    Interesting article, points to minor problems in the Israel army structure and suggests modest remedies. Undoubtedly the IDF is continually working on these problems.
    Probably the author’s suggestions are acknowledged as helpful. Good officers don’t like the idea of “fighting the last war”.

    But then (sigh) comes this hilarious blizzard of posts from actual raving antisemites. Author Lang has made the mistake of illustrating his commentary with anecdotes like the washerwoman target practice, undoubtedly one-time incidents that the IDF deals with in ordinary disciplinary fashion.

    Better to stick to professional military analysis rather than throw “red meat” to antisemites, whether of the the intellectual variety or the “scum” type. Did the author actually say “Gaza massacre”? He surely knows better. Crowd control, whether at a rock concert or a howling Arab riot-assault, has always been a problem. There are always casualties. Modern humane countries like Israel don’t fire volleys of grape up the boulevard any more. We need more cool analysis by experts like Lang. Screaming antisemites are no help.

    Interesting article, points to minor problems in the Israel army structure and suggests modest remedies.

    Agree for the later, but not former.
    The structure is simply natural for Israeli society. The problems re discipline are related to COIN there. Or using IDF for “policing”.

    Undoubtedly the IDF is continually working on these problems.
    Probably the author’s suggestions are acknowledged as helpful. Good officers don’t like the idea of “fighting the last war”.

    Correct. There have been several published documents about it.
    It boils down to Israeli society being willing to accept considerable loses in the next clash with Hezbollah. BTW, those documents are in public domain. A bit of Googling and there you are.

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  102. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Owned !!!! Haha we got a geezer here

    Hey buddy wait for someone else to say you owned him , kinda defeat the purpose if you have to declare it yourself .......

    IOW, you obviously cannot refute the information I have posted here.

    So then, I do own you & will continue to do so. Hurts don’t it?

    You’re in over your head.

    Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    What does any of that have to do with you congratulating yourself ?

    I think you would use holocaust sites as references in a discussion about the pros and cons of using pineapple juice in fruit punch.
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  103. Dissenter says:
    @Steve Naidamast
    I believe it has been quite apparent for a while among serious military analysts that the view of the Israeli IDF is less than stellar.

    I have written on several occasions that the Israeli military under state policies have created the exact same situation that the Spartans did with the surrounding Helots in antiquity. Because of the Spartan occupation of Helot territory and the subsequent oppression of the Helot people (as with the Palestinians with Israel), the Spartan military capabilities were severely curtailed in what they could accomplish as an effective fighting force.

    This is not to say that the Spartan soldier\warrior was just a myth. He was most certainly not. In fact it was the Helot occupation that gave rise to the Spartan fighter as we have come to know him. However, When Sparta went into conflict she had two Enemies already against her; the Helots to her rear and the enemy to her front.

    Due to the limited for of warfare in antiquity the Spartan Army was able to overcome this impediment to their excellent capabilities until she engaged in the Peloponnesian Wars, which basically took the vigor out of Spartan society altogether.

    Though I have no disputes with anything that the author states since it is all based upon his experiences with his interactions with the IDF, his analysis as excellent as it is, misses a number of points that can seriously be seen as f0rce multipliers against the IDF.

    Unlike the Spartans (at least until the wars with Athens as just noted), like most city-states in antiquity, Sparta did not have to confront the region-wide hate by most of the surrounding populations that in today's Mid-East is slowly being coalesced into formidable obstacles for Israel's continuing "Greater Israel" project. This can be seen with the growing alliances between Iran, Syria, Russia, and Iran's proxy, Hezbollah. And by the way, Hezbollah did not just provide a hint to the Israeli military of what was to come in the future, but was quite explicit about the decreasing capabilities of the IDF in that engagement.

    National militaries are also reflective of national sociology since such entities are comprised of the citizens of any given state. That being said, the sociology in Israel at this point in time is only capable of producing new sociopaths since that is what the national sociology has become. Anyone with half a brain can see this if the review the ongoing assaults on the Palestinians simply from the introductions recent legal policies. Healthy and well-adjusted societies do not create such ridiculous law against a minority group in the way Israel has.

    As a result of this construct it is doubtful that even the introduction of career NCOs to the IDF would alleviate the immaturity of the general conscript since over 70% of Israelis are in agreement with national policies and recent polls have shown such a percentage to be even higher. Career NCOs at this juncture would only include older adults with the same personal pathologies as the state.

    It is true that Israel relies very heavily on US aid but to date US soldiers have never been involved with the IDF in direct confrontations with ground enemies of the Israeli state. This is something that even the current bellicose US Congress may not be able to muster without facing serious conflict with the US citizenry. This is not to say that it will not happen given anything could with President Moron at the helm of state. However, it is not very likely.

    US proxy endeavors are also facing very serious issues and are being defeated on a daily basis; this in addition to the fact that though President Putin may "entertain" Israeli officials, he has certainly provided no indication to date that he is willing to assuage Israeli9 concerns by adjusting his actions towards his own nation's interests. Whatever people complain about in this regard is more reflective of Putin's caution in dealing with a US government that has become completely unbalanced.

    Finally, as a result of the author's analysis of the IDF's infrastructure and deployment capabilities, he has confirmed what has been a major issue for the IDF since its inception; its longevity in a major conflict. This then is still limited to a mere 30 days before Israel will suffer irreparable reversals to its military capabilities.

    And even if the US agreed to supply her with US units, by the time they could reach Israel in any number, she would already be defeated by a more durable opponent. And there is no doubt that with the current deprivations by the Israeli government she is quite aware of this.

    The long term prognosis for Israel is not a good one. And as a nation there is very little that can be done any longer to change the sociology of the citizenry since there is no cure for any serious form of aberrant sociopathology.

    In a recent interview with Max Blumenthal who has written some serious indictments of the Israeli state, he stated quite categorically that Israel has no real future since she has no people to create one with. Even Israeli sociologist, Amos Elon, hinted at this in the 1960s with his studies of the Israeli young adults that were beginning to become the nation's foremost producers as well as a new cadre of leaders. For him, they were simply too immature...

    Agree with your analysis of the Israeli state situation and future….

    As Hassan Nasrallah said once in one of his famous speeches ( broadcasted to the very Israeli homes…) about the takfiris currently terrorizing and destroying the whole Middle East, ( I will try to paraphrase him ), “fanatics end always tiring of themselves, and fighting and destroying each other”, and we can observe this outcome amongst the terrorists of different franchises in Syria…

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  104. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    ...killed half a million Christians...
     
    You forgot to mention the biggest holocaust of Christians, ever, the one instigated by the Bolshies and their rich backers.

    Care to rectify your oversight by telling us about it? Maybe you could start out by telling us who the Bolshies were.

    Orhodox Christian Josef Stalin. Goyim killing goyim .

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    Orhodox Christian Josef Stalin. Goyim killing goyim .
     
    Yeah, Uncle Joey attended an Orthodox seminary, but he was more of an atheist, I think. And he did the world a favor by exterminating more than a few old Bolshies. Yet, he was a bigshot in the International Commie movement, which was another "movement" of whom?

    Yes, masses of "Christians" were duped into killing other masses of "Christians." You got anything new, like who done da duping?

    Hint: They were rich and vicious, and ruled large swaths of the world. Many hailed from Eastern Europe and made big bucks in NYC mainly through mafia like methods.

    , @Svigor
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
    https://archive.org/stream/StalinsWillingExecutioners/StalinsWillingExecutioners_djvu.txt
    , @James Forrestal
    1. The Bolshevik coup took place in 1927? Who knew?

    Back in the real world, of course, millions were tortured and massacred by the Bolsheviks prior to that. Who was responsible for these Communist atrocities?

    (((Trotsky))), (((Lenin))), (((Kamanev))), (((Zinoviev)))...
    And the shekels to finance it came from (((Jacob Schiff))), of course.

    2. Everyone involved in the massacre of the Tsar and his family, from Lenin on down, was a MOT.

    3. Overseas Israelis were massively overrepresented at the retail level in the crimes of Bolshevism as well, of course. The secret police (Cheka/ OGPU/ NKVD) torturers and murderers were largely Jewish.

    3. Stalin was much-loved and promoted by the Tribe prior to their split with him in about 1948-50, of course. By both the diaspora and Jews in the USSR. Would many of them have preferred Bronstein? Sure. Did that stop them from backing Stalin? No.
    Let's give some credit to Kaganovitch, Yagoda, Ilya Ehrenburg, etc. here.

    Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR, Kevin MacDonald's review of Yuri Slezkine's The Jewish Century is a decent review for one as wholly unfamiliar with this topic as you appear to be. Svigor already linked to it, and also to a much shorter review of the topic from those ebil naahtzees at ynet news.
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  105. peterAUS says:
    @j
    Lang's article is serious and professional, and deserved a better class of commentariat. The title "Juvenile..." reflects reality, the IDF is a young army and officers advance fast and retire at about 45. In many ways, the army is a continuation of high school, with classes and outings, and has the spirit of Jewish youth movements and summer camps. Traditionally, the leaders are one or two years older than the group, which is totally contrary to the American Army with professional sergeants and career soldiers. We adopt a different model because we do not want an established military caste like the Czarist or the pre-WWII German army.Or third world armies, always conspiring to impose "order" and establish a dictatorship a-la-Khaddafi. BTW in the IDF there are no sadistic sergeants "breaking down" the conscripts as used to in the USA.

    Agree.

    It’s interesting to point that all, say, “militias”, or “freedom fighters” are actually organized as I.D.F.

    Hezbollah, for example, too. Isn’t that a crackup?
    Worked well for Donbass too.

    That topic is serious and it’s interesting to see how “US” (or, actually, British) model is used as a reference.

    For example, Partisans in Balkans, fighting against Axis (and assortment of their domestic allies) used the same model. Worked for them rather well.
    And, the same principle was used by secession republics/regions in wars in Yugoslavia. Croats, Bosnian Muslims, Kosovars used exactly the same principle to build their armed forces.
    Makes you think, a?

    And, actually, didn’t the Cromwell New Army work on the same principle?
    Or US rebels against the Crown?

    Somebody would say that IDF model is exactly what would be required for US militia fighting against the State. Say, uprising, rebellion…or, God forbid, secession from Washington D.C.

    So…..it’s a bit more complicated than the author is making of it here.

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    There is a lot of interplay here - the "cast" point by j is slightly undeveloped but deserves unpacking.

    Not only in Czarist spaces, but all over and in all times, the officer class is a cast apart from enlisted - where the cast is from the society at large and high casts become officers and low casts become enlisted.

    The American military system undermines this partially by making officer training available to everyone who qualifies for college, and secondly with a substantial NCO corps. That prevents excessive colonization of the officer corps by upper-class citizens (and arguably has served to alienate our military from the same classes - not necessarily a bad thing), and provides a broader pool of officer candidates which almost surely is a net plus for military effectiveness.

    The NCO corps are indispensible. It's arguably our military's greatest strength and if undermined the consequences would be devastating.

    PeterAUS - on the speculation that the IDF model is good for a militia? Suffice to say I disagree.

    I'm reluctant to even broach it - but if your intent was "uprising, rebellion" ... aren't the unarmed immigrants teaching here?

    There will be no armed rebellion - that wins. Cliche, but: that is madness. Don't even talk about it. But that doesn't rule out rebellions that win.

    Meanwhile- an armed populace, such as envisioned by the Second Amendment, that stands in as a stabilizer in the event of any kind of implosion ... that's perhaps a contingency that's worth thinking through.

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  106. Wally says:
    @Anon
    The Germans set the precedent for civilian bombing, even if you don't count atrocities in Belgium in August 1914 by the shelling of Scarborough in December 1914 by cruisers of the High Seas Fleet which killed about 360 civilians. Then by Zeppelins over London, following up, to prove the they were npt finished, by the bombing of Guernica in the late 30s.....

    WWI? Laughable.

    I see you cannot prove your other childish assertions that you recited like a parrot, that I challenged. You simply & obviously do not know what you are talking about.

    Guernica? Even more laughable.

    Guernica was a military target, plain & simple.
    Here we go, Guernica, by someone who has actually researched the event, with confirmation.
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Gu … index.html

    ON APRIL 26, 1937 a handful of planes of the “Condor Legion” carried out sporadic air attacks on the Basque town of Guernica, to deny an important river crossing to the retreating Republican (Communist) forces of the Spanish government. Ninety-eight people died.

    The Condor Legion was a squadron of airforce “volunteers” provided by Hitler’s Luftwaffe to the insurgents fighting under General Francisco Franco.

    The air raid on Guernica became a centerpiece of communist and Left-wing propaganda against Hitler and Mussolini. True, reporters later found the town center devastated, but by whom? By the bombs, or after the raid by withdrawing Communists armed with dynamite by the regions’ miners?

    Reporting on a visit to Guernica, The Times Military Correspondent stated on May 5, 1937:,

    “That Guernica after a week’s bombardment by aircraft and artillery should not have shown signs of fire supports the Nationalist contention that aircraft were not responsible for the burning of this town, which was bombed intermittently for a period of two hours. In Guernica few fragments of bombs have been recovered, the façades of buildings still standing are unmarked, and the few craters I inspected were larger than anything hitherto made by a bomb in Spain. From their position it is a fair inference that these craters were caused by exploding mines which were unscientifically laid to cut roads.”

    A further unidentified source echoed this:

    “What actually happened was that industrial Basques, miners from Asturias, experts in explosives, fired and dynamited the town to a prearranged plan. Two French artillery officers, veterans of World War One inspected the town when Franco’s troops entered. What they saw was, they said, largely the result of arson and incendiarism. Petrol had been largely used, plus dynamite. Each alleged ‘bomb’ crater coincided with a sewer-manhole on the street, and where there had been no sewers there had been no ‘bombs.’”

    And Sir Arnold Wilson, Conservative Member of Parliament for Hitchin, Hertfordshire, wrote to The Observer after a visit to Guernica, on October 3, 1937:

    There was no evidence of damage from aerial bombardment, he said, but “most if not all of the damage was caused by wilful incendiarism and such is the verdict of the inhabitants.” Sir Arnold was convinced that Guernica was a “put-up job,” a Red atrocity-story calculated to recoil on Franco and the Germans.

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    You do realise, don't you, moron, that the quote from the Times military correspondent was provided by none other than Kim Philby, legendary KGB agent, who writes in his memoirs about reporting crap like this as part of his cover so that no one would suspect him? In short, biting his tongue, he wrote this fake news (before the term was invented) to a) please his publishing Times masters in London b) please his other MI6 masters in London. All, so that they wouldn't tumble that he was a KGB agent... plus ca change...
    , @Anon
    Wally’s right on this one. Guernica was done by the Russian communist “advisors”. The stupid liberals in the liberal commie media like The Guardian blasted it all over.


    But less biased journalists reported the truth that the explosions were in the ground by explosives planted by the communists before they retreated.


    No matter what happened I. The Spanish Cuvil War, Franco led the Spanish against Russian soviet invaders.

    And. He won. I believe only Finland and Spain ever won a war against Soviet Russia.

    By the time General Franco started to fught back against the communists, the Russian advisors had killed off the Spanish socialists and completely taken over the communist government.

    One thing the communists did that I really like. The American communists organized The Abraham Lincoln Brigade to go to Spain and fight with the Russian communists against the evil General Franco and the Spanish people

    The communistswisely put the untrained Abe Lincoln Brigade in the front lines and many were killed.

    General Franco was the greatest military and political leader of the 20th century.

    Franco and the Spanish people won while the Americans were fooled by the soviet propaganda

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  107. @Anonymous

    In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.
     
    After you witnessed this did you make any attempt to protest to the Israelis? Did you report it to Americans?

    “…shoot at…”

    Apparently nobody was hurt. This article is largely anecdotal, like most “news.”

    My favorite is:

    “..the Syrians gave them a very difficult time in 1973…”

    Why this is even included in a 1300-word piece about today’s IDF by an analyst of this reputation is beyond me.

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  108. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

    Well, the Germans did nothing that was not the norm worldwide at the time, nothing that was not the norm in WWII.

    That was easy.

    Only liars demand censorship.

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    That's not what I asked you.

    Consider for a moment when there's anything they did that you would consider to be wrong, regardless of whether anyone else was doing the same thing or anything similar.
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  109. Cut off the multi-billion $$ welfare check given to the Israelis, pull all American troops out of Israel and the Middle East, stop providing them with weapons, I bet they would behave themselves, and learn to get along with their neighbors, the dual citizens and traitors in our “government” that send billions in taxpayer money to these psychopaths every year only encourage the mass murder and oppression. While American Vets are homeless, Americans are dying younger, can’t afford the crap healthcare offered, a hospital visit will most likely put you in debt for years.

    Israel enjoys universal health care coverage, while “33 million Americans, 10.4 percent of the U.S. population,” remain without health insurance. That disparity is captured in headlines such as this one:

    As The Forward put it in 2012: “Israeli citizens appear to be getting better care [than Americans] for their lower expenditures.” Fortunately for Israel, the people of that country enjoy a much higher life expectancy than the citizens of the country that transfers billions to them every year. According to the most recent CIA statistics, Israelis can expect to live 82.27 years — 11th best in the world — while Americans can expect only 79.68 years, which is 43rd in the world.

    Outlining budget, Trump puts aid to Israel first while slashing elsewhere

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-aid-said-untouched-in-trumps-new-budget-cuts/

    US President Donald Trump released his first budget blueprint Thursday, leaving aid to Israel unscathed even as he called for massive cuts to the Environmental Protection Agency, the Labor Department and the State Department.
    Trump’s budget outline intends to slash what he considers unnecessary funding to various agencies and programs so he can pump more cash into defense spending — following through on a campaign promise he made to boost America’s military capabilities. But the report specifically leaves billions in defense aid to Israel untouched.
    That package, signed by the two parties in September 2016, will grant Israel $3.8 billion annually — up from the $3.1 billion pledged under the previous agreed-upon MOU — starting in 2018 and through 2028.
    The MOU signed between Washington and Jerusalem is the United States’ largest defense aid package to any country in history.

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  110. @anarchyst
    Let's turn your question around...If Israel is allowed to be a nationalist entity, why do its jewish inhabitants insist that EVERYONE ELSE give up their right to be a nationalist entity. The old jewish "divide and conquer" strategy is alive and well. Multiculturalism and diversity for thee, but not for me...is the zionist mantra...

    You’re repeating a point made on this site by commenters all the time and its funny how you segue from a well-posed question to an enemy conspiracy.

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.

    Don’t harangue Israel for apartheid unless your point is to undermine the very nationalism you claim to support. We are not about to abolish the Jewish state so that you can have your ethnostate.

    Otherwise: you are trying to scrub Jewish thoughts. What if you are right? So what? So a Jewish person had a tribal thought?

    oh! shiiivvers! Good golly Miss Molly!

    How do you react when “the left” tries to scrub your thoughts? Pretty badly would be my guess and I don’t blame you if that’s true.

    People have bad thoughts – what matters is what they do, and what you do. Hold your ground and demand the same right. If they argue-and they will-get them to define the right they have, in their words, and claim the same right, and hold your claim, don’t segue to mind reading and thought policing.

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    Are you a hasbara? Sure sounds like one. It is jewish interests who are causing hate and discontent behind the scenes, always pushing "multiculturalism and diversity" FOR EVERYONE BUT THEMSELVES. THAT, my friend, is a large problem. When those of us DO voice our desire to form an ethnostate, or at least the right to self-segregate, we are criticized by these very same people.
    I personally witnessed the actions of the so-called "civil-rights workers and handlers, almost all of who were jews. Their agenda, even back then, was to destroy the moral fiber and character of America. Blacks were progressing at a fantastic rate BEFORE the civil-rights push of the 1950s and 1960s. That all came to a halt when those of us who were against these outsiders, both black and white, were forced to comply at the point of bayonets held by federal troops.
    If jews want to join the human race, they are welcome, as long as they promote the same rights and values for everyone, not just themselves. Multiculturalism and diversity are code-words for white genocide.
    , @WJW
    "If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state."

    What does it mean for *any* state to have "the right...to exist"? *Do* states really have this right? In any case, can you tell me what you mean by "a Jewish state"? Is "Jewish" here primarily an ethnic or religious marker? I am pretty sure that I would have to deny the claim to this right in either case, if Israel also aspires to be a democratic state. I don't mean to be trolling when I note that there is a tension between Israel's "right to exist" as a "Jewish state" and its self-presentation as a liberal democratic state.
    , @Randal

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.
     
    I'll acknowledge Israel's "right to exist as a jewish state" when the right of my nation (ethnically English/British) to exist as such has been accepted, and not before. Particularly having regard to the disproportionate role jewish people and groups have played and continue to play in suppressing that right and any and all advocacy of it.

    Though in reality the issue causing problems is almost never whether Israel exists, but rather in what borders, and how much more land it is to be allowed to steal by the ongoing process of expropriation and settler colonialism.
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  111. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    IOW, you obviously cannot refute the information I have posted here.

    So then, I do own you & will continue to do so. Hurts don't it?

    You're in over your head.

    Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

    www.codoh.com

    What does any of that have to do with you congratulating yourself ?

    I think you would use holocaust sites as references in a discussion about the pros and cons of using pineapple juice in fruit punch.

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    I am merely responding to the easily debunked nonsense that YOU posted.

    Please review your stupidity regarding Amon Goth.

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

    www.codoh.com

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  112. @Anon
    Orhodox Christian Josef Stalin. Goyim killing goyim .

    Orhodox Christian Josef Stalin. Goyim killing goyim .

    Yeah, Uncle Joey attended an Orthodox seminary, but he was more of an atheist, I think. And he did the world a favor by exterminating more than a few old Bolshies. Yet, he was a bigshot in the International Commie movement, which was another “movement” of whom?

    Yes, masses of “Christians” were duped into killing other masses of “Christians.” You got anything new, like who done da duping?

    Hint: They were rich and vicious, and ruled large swaths of the world. Many hailed from Eastern Europe and made big bucks in NYC mainly through mafia like methods.

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  113. @Wally
    Well, the Germans did nothing that was not the norm worldwide at the time, nothing that was not the norm in WWII.

    That was easy.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    www.codoh.com

    That’s not what I asked you.

    Consider for a moment when there’s anything they did that you would consider to be wrong, regardless of whether anyone else was doing the same thing or anything similar.

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    Well, militarily speaking, they should never have allowed the Brits to 'escape' Dunkirk.

    There you go.

    www.codoh.com
    , @Svigor
    Consider whether Jews live up to this standard.

    If they aren't held to that standard, why should we be?
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  114. @peterAUS
    Agree.

    It's interesting to point that all, say, "militias", or "freedom fighters" are actually organized as I.D.F.

    Hezbollah, for example, too. Isn't that a crackup?
    Worked well for Donbass too.

    That topic is serious and it's interesting to see how "US" (or, actually, British) model is used as a reference.

    For example, Partisans in Balkans, fighting against Axis (and assortment of their domestic allies) used the same model. Worked for them rather well.
    And, the same principle was used by secession republics/regions in wars in Yugoslavia. Croats, Bosnian Muslims, Kosovars used exactly the same principle to build their armed forces.
    Makes you think, a?

    And, actually, didn't the Cromwell New Army work on the same principle?
    Or US rebels against the Crown?

    Somebody would say that IDF model is exactly what would be required for US militia fighting against the State. Say, uprising, rebellion...or, God forbid, secession from Washington D.C.

    So.....it's a bit more complicated than the author is making of it here.

    There is a lot of interplay here – the “cast” point by j is slightly undeveloped but deserves unpacking.

    Not only in Czarist spaces, but all over and in all times, the officer class is a cast apart from enlisted – where the cast is from the society at large and high casts become officers and low casts become enlisted.

    The American military system undermines this partially by making officer training available to everyone who qualifies for college, and secondly with a substantial NCO corps. That prevents excessive colonization of the officer corps by upper-class citizens (and arguably has served to alienate our military from the same classes – not necessarily a bad thing), and provides a broader pool of officer candidates which almost surely is a net plus for military effectiveness.

    The NCO corps are indispensible. It’s arguably our military’s greatest strength and if undermined the consequences would be devastating.

    PeterAUS – on the speculation that the IDF model is good for a militia? Suffice to say I disagree.

    I’m reluctant to even broach it – but if your intent was “uprising, rebellion” … aren’t the unarmed immigrants teaching here?

    There will be no armed rebellion – that wins. Cliche, but: that is madness. Don’t even talk about it. But that doesn’t rule out rebellions that win.

    Meanwhile- an armed populace, such as envisioned by the Second Amendment, that stands in as a stabilizer in the event of any kind of implosion … that’s perhaps a contingency that’s worth thinking through.

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    Well....up to

    ....would be devastating.
     
    agree. For you, Americans. Or, better, for The Imperial armed forces.

    PeterAUS – on the speculation that the IDF model is good for a militia? Suffice to say I disagree.
     
    No prob. I agree.

    There will be no armed rebellion – that wins. Cliche, but: that is madness. Don’t even talk about it.
     
    Not even talk about it? Sure...hehe.....

    Meanwhile- an armed populace, such as envisioned by the Second Amendment, that stands in as a stabilizer in the event of any kind of implosion … that’s perhaps a contingency that’s worth thinking through.
     
    Hehe....get your point. Stabilizer, a? Of the current system/paradigm? Haha....yeah.

    One would think that the purpose of that militia would be precisely to help smashing the current system, not stabilizing it.
    I guess we could talk shop, but, it appears that our starting positioins couldn't be further apart.

    So, yes....haha...from your point of view you are correct:


    ...that is madness. Don’t even talk about it.
     
    Crackup.
    No offense.

    Next post perhaps interesting. A little scenario for you.

    , @Heros
    One of the times Lang banned me from SST was when I posed a simple question about freemasons in the US military. My comment was immediately deleted and I was blocked.

    My Grandfather was a freemason and my father too. My Grandfather died when I was a child, but my father never told me about being a freemason, I found out after he died. I do vaguely remember him making some quips about the Shriners at a parade.

    My grandfather, a recent college graduate, entered the US Army Air Corps as an officer during WWI. My father was too young to serve during WWII.

    The story goes, that on the eve of the Korean war, my grandfather and a "general" talked to my father and told him that if he "volunteered" instead of waiting for the draft, that they could make him an Officer in the US Air Force. I now believe that this was freemasonry at work.

    I have read mostly hints in other places about freemasons in the officer corps of the US military, but nothing really descriptive.

    Freemasons were also heavily involved in the Civil War, of which Lang has written several books.

    The point I am making here is that I doubt that many people really know what is going on behind the curtains in the US military, just as with the deep state.

    This is why I always find it offputting when "experts" pretend to be knowledgeable just because they can perfectly parrot the narrative.
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  115. peterAUS says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    There is a lot of interplay here - the "cast" point by j is slightly undeveloped but deserves unpacking.

    Not only in Czarist spaces, but all over and in all times, the officer class is a cast apart from enlisted - where the cast is from the society at large and high casts become officers and low casts become enlisted.

    The American military system undermines this partially by making officer training available to everyone who qualifies for college, and secondly with a substantial NCO corps. That prevents excessive colonization of the officer corps by upper-class citizens (and arguably has served to alienate our military from the same classes - not necessarily a bad thing), and provides a broader pool of officer candidates which almost surely is a net plus for military effectiveness.

    The NCO corps are indispensible. It's arguably our military's greatest strength and if undermined the consequences would be devastating.

    PeterAUS - on the speculation that the IDF model is good for a militia? Suffice to say I disagree.

    I'm reluctant to even broach it - but if your intent was "uprising, rebellion" ... aren't the unarmed immigrants teaching here?

    There will be no armed rebellion - that wins. Cliche, but: that is madness. Don't even talk about it. But that doesn't rule out rebellions that win.

    Meanwhile- an armed populace, such as envisioned by the Second Amendment, that stands in as a stabilizer in the event of any kind of implosion ... that's perhaps a contingency that's worth thinking through.

    Well….up to

    ….would be devastating.

    agree. For you, Americans. Or, better, for The Imperial armed forces.

    PeterAUS – on the speculation that the IDF model is good for a militia? Suffice to say I disagree.

    No prob. I agree.

    There will be no armed rebellion – that wins. Cliche, but: that is madness. Don’t even talk about it.

    Not even talk about it? Sure…hehe…..

    Meanwhile- an armed populace, such as envisioned by the Second Amendment, that stands in as a stabilizer in the event of any kind of implosion … that’s perhaps a contingency that’s worth thinking through.

    Hehe….get your point. Stabilizer, a? Of the current system/paradigm? Haha….yeah.

    One would think that the purpose of that militia would be precisely to help smashing the current system, not stabilizing it.
    I guess we could talk shop, but, it appears that our starting positioins couldn’t be further apart.

    So, yes….haha…from your point of view you are correct:

    …that is madness. Don’t even talk about it.

    Crackup.
    No offense.

    Next post perhaps interesting. A little scenario for you.

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    Say, the current paradigm gets you, Americans, and the world in general too, of course, to a brink of nuclear war with Russia.

    Say, all rational prognosis is, should the current (hypothetical) process keep going in two weeks we’ll see a nuclear exchange. ICMBs and such.

    Now, the usual from plebs hasn’t worked. Posting on Internet, mailing /phoning to your Congresmen/Senators/whatever, even mass demonstrations (hard to imagine that in USA, but, well, THAT motive could make a difference, perhaps).

    So, say, one of those mass demonstrations really turns violent and escalates into firearm use on both sides. Say, something as Bloody Sunday (or myriad other examples).

    Now……………..the enraged population, somehow, does produce a leadership capable of, say, rejecting Washington authority. Say….”we don’t support current policy leading to nuclear…blah…blah”. Something as plenty of secessionist movements seen before rather recently.

    Washington, naturally, wants that taken down. As any central authority. Seen as well, recently.

    So……if that city of, say, 50 000 people, really decides to tell Washington to fuck off, wouldn’t they need some sort of militia?

    If yes, well, why they wouldn’t want to organize that militia as myriad simple examples from history?
    Latest examples from Ukraine/Donbass. Previous, successful, examples also from Eastern Europe.
    And, well, ALL of those militias/movements were organized as I.D.F.

    Now, I do get that Americans are ….special…..people, so, admit that what worked well for plenty of others for some reason (yes, I do suspect what that is but let’ leave it out) can’t work in USA.

    Still, a decent city of 50 000 can organize a militia on I.D.F principles, in a week. Squad in 10 minutes, platoon in two hours, company in two days, battalion in 5. That's the key.
    The last two are just to put those battalions into some coherent network, call it brigade/whatever.

    My 2 cents anyway.
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  116. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    ...undoubtedly one-time incidents that the IDF deals with in ordinary disciplinary fashion.
     
    Undoubtedly you're full of feces. I already commented on Avnery's book which documents many similar incidents.

    Modern humane countries like Israel don’t fire volleys of grape up the boulevard any more.
     
    You mock the concept. Ever hear of blockading necessary life support material? How about Izzy use of white phosphorus on civilians?

    Humane? You must be disoriented because yer trying to peddle BS at UR. Good luck.

    You filthy liars can try to fake it all you want but it only adds to your culpability.

    Thanks for volunteering as a specimen of the sort of half-ass anti-Israel propaganda I was talking about. But do you really think it’s a contribution to intelligent discussion? Far-out nonogenarian nut-job Uri Avnery (author of Israel Without Zionists) has been spreading anti-Israel garbage for most of the duration of the State. Sorry, he doesn’t count for “documenting” Israel’s crimes–can’t you do better?

    You certainly know Israel has blockaded no “life support material”. They can take all they want into Gaza–through the checkpoints! But on boats with no inspection…would you trust Hamas or the PLO? You seem a little more intelligent than that!

    BTW, you’ll note in the context of this discussion I’m sort of using anti-Israel and antisemitic as synonyms. They’re not exactly the same, but, well, you kind of have a feel for it, if you want to deny Israel the right to reasonable commentary that you grant to every other country, ergo anti-Israel = antisemitic.

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  117. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    That's not what I asked you.

    Consider for a moment when there's anything they did that you would consider to be wrong, regardless of whether anyone else was doing the same thing or anything similar.

    Well, militarily speaking, they should never have allowed the Brits to ‘escape’ Dunkirk.

    There you go.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    No action they actively took that you would denounce unconditionally?

    I denounce the internment of Japanese Americans, for instance, as well as any bombings of civilians, period.

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  118. calion says:
    @Wally
    WWI? Laughable.

    I see you cannot prove your other childish assertions that you recited like a parrot, that I challenged. You simply & obviously do not know what you are talking about.

    Guernica? Even more laughable.

    Guernica was a military target, plain & simple.
    Here we go, Guernica, by someone who has actually researched the event, with confirmation.
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Gu ... index.html


    ON APRIL 26, 1937 a handful of planes of the "Condor Legion" carried out sporadic air attacks on the Basque town of Guernica, to deny an important river crossing to the retreating Republican (Communist) forces of the Spanish government. Ninety-eight people died.

    The Condor Legion was a squadron of airforce "volunteers" provided by Hitler's Luftwaffe to the insurgents fighting under General Francisco Franco.

    The air raid on Guernica became a centerpiece of communist and Left-wing propaganda against Hitler and Mussolini. True, reporters later found the town center devastated, but by whom? By the bombs, or after the raid by withdrawing Communists armed with dynamite by the regions' miners?

     

    Reporting on a visit to Guernica, The Times Military Correspondent stated on May 5, 1937:,

    "That Guernica after a week's bombardment by aircraft and artillery should not have shown signs of fire supports the Nationalist contention that aircraft were not responsible for the burning of this town, which was bombed intermittently for a period of two hours. In Guernica few fragments of bombs have been recovered, the façades of buildings still standing are unmarked, and the few craters I inspected were larger than anything hitherto made by a bomb in Spain. From their position it is a fair inference that these craters were caused by exploding mines which were unscientifically laid to cut roads."
     
    A further unidentified source echoed this:

    "What actually happened was that industrial Basques, miners from Asturias, experts in explosives, fired and dynamited the town to a prearranged plan. Two French artillery officers, veterans of World War One inspected the town when Franco's troops entered. What they saw was, they said, largely the result of arson and incendiarism. Petrol had been largely used, plus dynamite. Each alleged 'bomb' crater coincided with a sewer-manhole on the street, and where there had been no sewers there had been no 'bombs.'"
     
    And Sir Arnold Wilson, Conservative Member of Parliament for Hitchin, Hertfordshire, wrote to The Observer after a visit to Guernica, on October 3, 1937:

    There was no evidence of damage from aerial bombardment, he said, but "most if not all of the damage was caused by wilful incendiarism and such is the verdict of the inhabitants." Sir Arnold was convinced that Guernica was a "put-up job," a Red atrocity-story calculated to recoil on Franco and the Germans.

     
    www.codoh.com

    You do realise, don’t you, moron, that the quote from the Times military correspondent was provided by none other than Kim Philby, legendary KGB agent, who writes in his memoirs about reporting crap like this as part of his cover so that no one would suspect him? In short, biting his tongue, he wrote this fake news (before the term was invented) to a) please his publishing Times masters in London b) please his other MI6 masters in London. All, so that they wouldn’t tumble that he was a KGB agent… plus ca change…

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    "KGB agent" ... hilarious. LOL

    I do notice you utterly dodged the rest of my many compelling references while going full nutter on the one.

    We know why.

    We're you born like that or is it an acquired disability?

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  119. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS
    Well....up to

    ....would be devastating.
     
    agree. For you, Americans. Or, better, for The Imperial armed forces.

    PeterAUS – on the speculation that the IDF model is good for a militia? Suffice to say I disagree.
     
    No prob. I agree.

    There will be no armed rebellion – that wins. Cliche, but: that is madness. Don’t even talk about it.
     
    Not even talk about it? Sure...hehe.....

    Meanwhile- an armed populace, such as envisioned by the Second Amendment, that stands in as a stabilizer in the event of any kind of implosion … that’s perhaps a contingency that’s worth thinking through.
     
    Hehe....get your point. Stabilizer, a? Of the current system/paradigm? Haha....yeah.

    One would think that the purpose of that militia would be precisely to help smashing the current system, not stabilizing it.
    I guess we could talk shop, but, it appears that our starting positioins couldn't be further apart.

    So, yes....haha...from your point of view you are correct:


    ...that is madness. Don’t even talk about it.
     
    Crackup.
    No offense.

    Next post perhaps interesting. A little scenario for you.

    Say, the current paradigm gets you, Americans, and the world in general too, of course, to a brink of nuclear war with Russia.

    Say, all rational prognosis is, should the current (hypothetical) process keep going in two weeks we’ll see a nuclear exchange. ICMBs and such.

    Now, the usual from plebs hasn’t worked. Posting on Internet, mailing /phoning to your Congresmen/Senators/whatever, even mass demonstrations (hard to imagine that in USA, but, well, THAT motive could make a difference, perhaps).

    So, say, one of those mass demonstrations really turns violent and escalates into firearm use on both sides. Say, something as Bloody Sunday (or myriad other examples).

    Now……………..the enraged population, somehow, does produce a leadership capable of, say, rejecting Washington authority. Say….”we don’t support current policy leading to nuclear…blah…blah”. Something as plenty of secessionist movements seen before rather recently.

    Washington, naturally, wants that taken down. As any central authority. Seen as well, recently.

    So……if that city of, say, 50 000 people, really decides to tell Washington to fuck off, wouldn’t they need some sort of militia?

    If yes, well, why they wouldn’t want to organize that militia as myriad simple examples from history?
    Latest examples from Ukraine/Donbass. Previous, successful, examples also from Eastern Europe.
    And, well, ALL of those militias/movements were organized as I.D.F.

    Now, I do get that Americans are ….special…..people, so, admit that what worked well for plenty of others for some reason (yes, I do suspect what that is but let’ leave it out) can’t work in USA.

    Still, a decent city of 50 000 can organize a militia on I.D.F principles, in a week. Squad in 10 minutes, platoon in two hours, company in two days, battalion in 5. That’s the key.
    The last two are just to put those battalions into some coherent network, call it brigade/whatever.

    My 2 cents anyway.

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    I don't know a lot about the IDF, as much as any American whose spent time in Israel and that is something because in the small place and given its situation just going about one's business one comes into contact with the IDF almost like one comes into contact with police while in the US, so if we are talking about IDF principles I assume we're taking the OT at face value.
    I actually had thought based on previous reading that the IDF had a meaningful NCO corps, this article seems to cast doubt on that.
    Anyway ... we can scenarioize to get to where you are talking of. BTW first though, I say "don't talk about that" for two reasons. One is psychological: too many commenters take things seriously when as the songbird sings, tomorrow is going to be another sunny day, so even talking that way is participating in a kind of delusion that warps the mind. The other reason though is that the authorities take it seriously. There's all kinds of points where people think they're being spied on or that the authorities even have the time of day for them and of course they don't, but talk of armed rebellion is like one of those things you can do on your taxes that increases the likelihood of an audit, so me-to-you: zero upside.
    Finally - my scenario isn't like yours. I don't think that the US or Russia have - particular things - which would be necessary to have an all-out war if they actually wanted one, and I think their leaders are aware of that. It's an unlikely prospect already on the ROI for both parties alone, so without ruling it impossible, my bet goes down on the table that it won't happen.
    That said collapse scenarios are possible. Economic implosion and civil unrest just because Americans are becoming so alienated from one another. Collapse doesn't look like the zombie apocalypse it looks different, but if it happened then right about there I can intersect with your thinking because that's a natural thing to happen - it's the federation / confederation cycle, and you could see that for what will probably be short lives militias might organize along the lines described.
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  120. Wally says:
    @Anon
    What does any of that have to do with you congratulating yourself ?

    I think you would use holocaust sites as references in a discussion about the pros and cons of using pineapple juice in fruit punch.

    I am merely responding to the easily debunked nonsense that YOU posted.

    Please review your stupidity regarding Amon Goth.

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  121. @Wally
    Well, militarily speaking, they should never have allowed the Brits to 'escape' Dunkirk.

    There you go.

    www.codoh.com

    No action they actively took that you would denounce unconditionally?

    I denounce the internment of Japanese Americans, for instance, as well as any bombings of civilians, period.

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    You're going around in circles.

    As I said, Dunkirk was a big mistake.

    As I also said; the Germans did nothing that was not the norm worldwide at the time, nothing that was not the norm in WWII.

    Only liars demand censorship.

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  122. Ace says:
    @Poppy in my fly
    Military traditions that are in no way reflective of those of the United States. That ol' Lang deadpan humor always cracks me up.

    What Lang is describing is tried-and-true US policy for attenuating command responsibility: deploy a bunch of dumb juveniles without adult supervision. When the programmatic atrocities come out, you just lock up a couple hillbillies. This organizational expedient is precisely how CIA and the US military committed systematic and widespread torture constituting crimes against humanity. This is so blindingly obvious that even the derisively-redacted 525-page CIA torture report admits it.

    https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/assets/SR%20complaint%201.19.12%20FINAL.pdf

    https://www.ecchr.eu/en/international-crimes-accountability/

    US universal-jurisdiction crime depends importantly on Israeli technology transfer. Look up documented US use of the Palestinian chair, for shits and grins.

    Zzzzz.

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  123. Ace says:
    @Anon
    Israel err the Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi-entity is completely incompetent. I mean 45 people killed in Gaza over tha past month !!!

    Take a cue from your neighbors , fake khazar Jew boys . Assads father killed 25,000 in Hama in just one months time . Hafez Assad , the original lion of Damascus was a capable and noble chap. You Izrahellis can only manage 45 killed in a month !!! Incompetent.

    The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million , a feat the juvenile Izrahellis will not acheive .

    Even the lowly Sudanese have managed to genocide over a million in Darfur and South SudAn and rape a similar number. 45 killed in one month is a joke . FK the incompetent Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi blood matzah holocaust fakers !!!!

    The death toll from any rebellion in Syria in 2011 would have been under 100 while the government re-established control. Make it a thousand if you want. The other 499,000+ war deaths are because — and only because — the U.S., Israel, Turkey, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Falkland Islands financed, trained, supplied, and otherwise supported the scum of the earth in the form of ISIS and al-Qaida.

    You obviously hold to the idea that if the dirt bags or misguided souls of any society decide to try for an attack on the established government, the government’s obligation thereupon is simply to surrender to the nearest moron holding an AK.

    Tens of thousands of foreign jihadis flooded into Syria with the blessing of the precious Coalition of which we are a part. They came close to taking over the country but Assad, the SAA, and the SyAAF fought back (the swine) and are the ones at whose feet can be laid all civilian deaths. Whoa. Amazing analysis.

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    "Tens of thousands of foreign jihadis flooded into Syria......"
    C'mon Ace.....at least spell the word correctly. It's j 0 0 h a d i s.
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  124. Ace says:
    @anonymous
    Interesting article, points to minor problems in the Israel army structure and suggests modest remedies. Undoubtedly the IDF is continually working on these problems.
    Probably the author’s suggestions are acknowledged as helpful. Good officers don’t like the idea of “fighting the last war”.

    But then (sigh) comes this hilarious blizzard of posts from actual raving antisemites. Author Lang has made the mistake of illustrating his commentary with anecdotes like the washerwoman target practice, undoubtedly one-time incidents that the IDF deals with in ordinary disciplinary fashion.

    Better to stick to professional military analysis rather than throw “red meat” to antisemites, whether of the the intellectual variety or the “scum” type. Did the author actually say “Gaza massacre”? He surely knows better. Crowd control, whether at a rock concert or a howling Arab riot-assault, has always been a problem. There are always casualties. Modern humane countries like Israel don’t fire volleys of grape up the boulevard any more. We need more cool analysis by experts like Lang. Screaming antisemites are no help.

    Shooting a young man who had gone to help a friend who had foolishly crawled obliquely toward the fence and its heroic IDF snipers and was walking [sic] away from the fence isn’t a regrettable death in a situation of “crowd control.” It’s murder. Enough with the “howling mob” nonsense.

    If I say that the Venezuelan government and its troops are a bunch of vicious thugs, am I an anti-Venezuelanite?

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  125. anarchyst says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    You're repeating a point made on this site by commenters all the time and its funny how you segue from a well-posed question to an enemy conspiracy.

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.

    Don't harangue Israel for apartheid unless your point is to undermine the very nationalism you claim to support. We are not about to abolish the Jewish state so that you can have your ethnostate.

    Otherwise: you are trying to scrub Jewish thoughts. What if you are right? So what? So a Jewish person had a tribal thought?

    oh! shiiivvers! Good golly Miss Molly!

    How do you react when "the left" tries to scrub your thoughts? Pretty badly would be my guess and I don't blame you if that's true.

    People have bad thoughts - what matters is what they do, and what you do. Hold your ground and demand the same right. If they argue-and they will-get them to define the right they have, in their words, and claim the same right, and hold your claim, don't segue to mind reading and thought policing.

    Are you a hasbara? Sure sounds like one. It is jewish interests who are causing hate and discontent behind the scenes, always pushing “multiculturalism and diversity” FOR EVERYONE BUT THEMSELVES. THAT, my friend, is a large problem. When those of us DO voice our desire to form an ethnostate, or at least the right to self-segregate, we are criticized by these very same people.
    I personally witnessed the actions of the so-called “civil-rights workers and handlers, almost all of who were jews. Their agenda, even back then, was to destroy the moral fiber and character of America. Blacks were progressing at a fantastic rate BEFORE the civil-rights push of the 1950s and 1960s. That all came to a halt when those of us who were against these outsiders, both black and white, were forced to comply at the point of bayonets held by federal troops.
    If jews want to join the human race, they are welcome, as long as they promote the same rights and values for everyone, not just themselves. Multiculturalism and diversity are code-words for white genocide.

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    Are you a hasbara?
     
    If you know someone who will pay me for expressing my own thoughts let me know where I can get hooked up with that.

    Meanwhile I'm going to push on this a note harder, but only a note.

    Here's what I think I am doing: I think I am teaching people how to negotiate in hard negotiations, because that's what's really going on.

    You have one set that entered in as hard negotiators, and party to entering hard negotiations, have their positions very well thought through, and another set that entered into the negotiations with more naiveté, didn't have things thought out very well and didn't expect the other side to be quite so much "other, side", end up getting pushed around and leave the table scamming for war, rather than licking their wounds and coming back to the table as tougher negotiators.

    It's too bad that these are hard negotiations - that it probably shouldn't be between countrymen, but that is what it is.

    There's two different groups that like that outcome: the outcome where you don't come back to the table as tougher negotiators. One group is the bad faith actors on the other side who aren't just tough negotiators, but they really don't care about you as a human being and if you don't figure this out and overstep, overplay your hand and get your physical, legal or military a$$ handed to you, that's one way they'll be happy to win.

    The other group is the group that wants a war with the hard negotiators on the other side.

    I've watched enough Ramzpaul videos to find some of his postures unnecessarily objectionable, he dabbles too deeply in Nazi romance and it exceeds the needs of his satire, but: he thinks that the parties on the right encouraging rabid anti-Semitism are: working for the other side.

    So who's a hasbara suspect?

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  126. anarchyst says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Quibbles w your argument.

    The so-called Judao-Christian tradition, which includes All ethniticities that embrace Abrahamism, not just Germans in a very brief moment in time, consider themselves "chosen" or "exceptional" or "indispensable." Choseness carried in the seed, or blood, or DNA, is the essential feature of Abrahamism. In this, the British and US offsping are more Judahic than Jews. Also, and what should be recalled via a bus Macron -- the French considered themselves the Masters of Europe for centuries, provision ally ending in Franco-Prussian ear, which rankled France u til final debacles in WWI & WWI I.

    Altho -- as I write this a different aspect of your argument emerges: the Hebrew scriptures are inherently violent and supremacist, and this in a way radically different from the violent myths of other cultures.

    One final thought -- NS Germany attempted to expunge Hebrew scriptural influence from the way Germans expressed Christianity. This effort was condemned as antisemitic.

    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to “cement” their claim to the “land of Israel” and of the covenant, to which I reply, “God is not a real estate agent”.
    Jews rejected the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then “null and void”.
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity’s “elder brothers”, which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments–nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status–not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock–subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II ecumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ’s murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them–the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect for Christianity, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

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  127. @anarchyst
    Are you a hasbara? Sure sounds like one. It is jewish interests who are causing hate and discontent behind the scenes, always pushing "multiculturalism and diversity" FOR EVERYONE BUT THEMSELVES. THAT, my friend, is a large problem. When those of us DO voice our desire to form an ethnostate, or at least the right to self-segregate, we are criticized by these very same people.
    I personally witnessed the actions of the so-called "civil-rights workers and handlers, almost all of who were jews. Their agenda, even back then, was to destroy the moral fiber and character of America. Blacks were progressing at a fantastic rate BEFORE the civil-rights push of the 1950s and 1960s. That all came to a halt when those of us who were against these outsiders, both black and white, were forced to comply at the point of bayonets held by federal troops.
    If jews want to join the human race, they are welcome, as long as they promote the same rights and values for everyone, not just themselves. Multiculturalism and diversity are code-words for white genocide.

    Are you a hasbara?

    If you know someone who will pay me for expressing my own thoughts let me know where I can get hooked up with that.

    Meanwhile I’m going to push on this a note harder, but only a note.

    Here’s what I think I am doing: I think I am teaching people how to negotiate in hard negotiations, because that’s what’s really going on.

    You have one set that entered in as hard negotiators, and party to entering hard negotiations, have their positions very well thought through, and another set that entered into the negotiations with more naiveté, didn’t have things thought out very well and didn’t expect the other side to be quite so much “other, side”, end up getting pushed around and leave the table scamming for war, rather than licking their wounds and coming back to the table as tougher negotiators.

    It’s too bad that these are hard negotiations – that it probably shouldn’t be between countrymen, but that is what it is.

    There’s two different groups that like that outcome: the outcome where you don’t come back to the table as tougher negotiators. One group is the bad faith actors on the other side who aren’t just tough negotiators, but they really don’t care about you as a human being and if you don’t figure this out and overstep, overplay your hand and get your physical, legal or military a$$ handed to you, that’s one way they’ll be happy to win.

    The other group is the group that wants a war with the hard negotiators on the other side.

    I’ve watched enough Ramzpaul videos to find some of his postures unnecessarily objectionable, he dabbles too deeply in Nazi romance and it exceeds the needs of his satire, but: he thinks that the parties on the right encouraging rabid anti-Semitism are: working for the other side.

    So who’s a hasbara suspect?

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  128. Unit731 says:
    @Brabantian
    Update on the ongoing Israeli massacre of Gazans, from Arab journalist Dr Ramzy Baroud:

    Nearly 45 dead and over 5,500 wounded
     
    Baroud tells how the new propaganda meme is that the Palestinian children and women being killed and maimed, are 'human shields for military acts and terrorism'

    And that the ICC International Criminal Court is supporting this lie

    Ramzy Baroud recalls how people have long asked, 'Where is the Palestinian Gandhi?'

    But now that Gazan Gandhis are being maimed & killed by thousands -

    Deafening [global] silence continues ... Those who long chastised Palestinians for using armed resistance against the Israeli occupation are nowhere to be found, while children, journalists, women and men are all targeted by hundreds of Israeli snipers who dot the Gaza border

    The Israeli mindset is emboldened by the outright international silence to the atrocities taking place at the border

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) has been quite useless ... Its Chief Prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda distorted facts ... to the delight of Israeli media. [Bensouda suggested that Palestinian unarmed protestors were] the use of civilian presence for the purpose of shielding military activities

    Encouraged by Bensouda, an Israeli law group, Shurat Hadin, is seeking to indict Hamas leaders at the ICC, accusing Hamas of using children as human shields at the border protests

    Why are the Palestinians still being largely ignored?

    Why isn’t Obama tweeting in solidarity with Gazans? Why isn’t Hillary Clinton taking the podium to address the unremitting Israeli violence?

    Singer Bono of the band U2 dedicated a song to Israeli President Shimon Peres, accused of numerous war crimes, but his voice seems to have grown hoarse as Gaza boy Mohammed Ibrahim Ayoub,15, was shot by an Israeli sniper
     
    https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/05/gazan-gandhis-gaza-bleeds-alone-as-liberals-and-progressives-go-mute/

    Gazan Gandhis

    Gandhi’s successes were 10% “Him” and 90% who he was up against.

    [Formerly] Great Britain was, (1) exhausted and battered by WWII, (2) in existential angst over its prior colonial practices.

    Gandhi knew his target, and bet his life that it was one of the few cultures on Earth at the time that wouldn’t just mow him down.

    In contrast, every ‘Palestinian Gandhi’ is; dead.

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  129. nsa says:
    @Ace
    The death toll from any rebellion in Syria in 2011 would have been under 100 while the government re-established control. Make it a thousand if you want. The other 499,000+ war deaths are because -- and only because -- the U.S., Israel, Turkey, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Falkland Islands financed, trained, supplied, and otherwise supported the scum of the earth in the form of ISIS and al-Qaida.

    You obviously hold to the idea that if the dirt bags or misguided souls of any society decide to try for an attack on the established government, the government's obligation thereupon is simply to surrender to the nearest moron holding an AK.

    Tens of thousands of foreign jihadis flooded into Syria with the blessing of the precious Coalition of which we are a part. They came close to taking over the country but Assad, the SAA, and the SyAAF fought back (the swine) and are the ones at whose feet can be laid all civilian deaths. Whoa. Amazing analysis.

    “Tens of thousands of foreign jihadis flooded into Syria……”
    C’mon Ace…..at least spell the word correctly. It’s j 0 0 h a d i s.

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  130. WJW says:

    Many commentators here do not seem to appreciate that Pat Lang’s piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis of the strengths (not many) and weaknesses (a whole helluva lot) of the IDF ground forces. The piece is *not* meant to be read as offering a moral critique or justification of the IDF actions it details; these actions, right or wrong (and Lang clearly thinks they are very wrong), are offered by Lang as *evidence* in support of his analytic claims about the general quality of the IDF’s discipline and preparedness. It is fairly obvious, for anybody who is able to read between the lines (as at least a few commentators have done), that Lang has a very low opinion indeed of the IDF ground
    forces. He believes they will be routed easily in any confrontation with an actual army–be it Hezbollah, the SAA, or any one of Iran’s many state/military-allied special forces units. This is very important knowledge for us to have, as it helps us understand the still unfolding crisis and to anticipate the shape any conflict between Israel and Syria/Hezbollah/Iran is likely, and unlikely, to take. Lang provides a real service in doing this, and it is a service that not many people alive in the US today are able to provide. That Lang ceased receiving major network interview requests to discuss ME politics and military conflicts more than a decade ago should tell you all you need to know about the accuracy of his views and how dangerous their airing has been judged to be for the AngloZionist project.

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    Many commentators here do not seem to appreciate that Pat Lang’s piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis of the strengths (not many) and weaknesses (a whole helluva lot) of the IDF ground forces.
     
    Well, that may have been the intent, but a lot of it sounds like apologetics for the Zionist leadership, and some of us are not buying it and some are using it as an opportunity to highlight defects in Zionist philosophy and to condemn much that's condemnable and there is plenty of that.
    , @j
    I don't know how to take Lang's pessimism about the IDF ground forces fighting capability. The IDF did fight against the Syrian army when suffering a surprise attack, and it won in two-three days. It fought against the British-led Jordanian army, and won. It also fought against the Hizballah and occupied South Lebanese territory (It was not easy because the Hizballah - the Party of God - had Russian RPGs and strong bunkers, but in one or two weeks they were vanquished). One wonders about the strength of Lang's arguments.

    The latest war the Iranians fought was against Saddam Hussein, and lasted seven years. How effective were Saddam's forces? Not much, I gather, since it was cakewalk for the American expeditionary forces to take Baghdad.

    The latest confrontation was with Hamas of Gaza. They bused thousands of juveniles to the frontier and tried to pass the cattle fence of the border and invade in mass Israel. The IDF positioned seven sharpshooters on an embankment. The outcome: the fanatical would-be martyrs retired defeated. Not one even reached the fence. Our losses: none.

    Next time we shall send AI driven robots.

    , @RobinG
    ".... Pat Lang’s piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis....."

    This is exactly where it fails. Lang tells us that the latest killings in Gaza are unintended [and unwanted] consequences of a "young" IDF, and we're not buying it.

    The sniper killings are the anticipated and accepted [and approved -- have any of these IDF snipers suffered any consequences??] result of cynical and ruthless official government policy.

    , @prusmc
    For many years I was a great supporter of Israel and admired their IDF. Forgetting the moral and political sides of the equation, I now think the efficacy of their armed forces may be over-rated. Let's say they have a razor-sharp air force and a sound missile defense and offensive capability. The Navy is at most a Coast Guard (all that is needed) with a few missile launching submarines. The struggle for independence was the only protracted active hostility they were involved in and much of that was mopping up and anti-partisan action.
    The Sinai campaign of 1956 was short duration mobile warfare marked by effective combined operation. In 1967 surprise attack and great coordinated fire and maneuver carried the day. The Yom Kipper war was a bit close at first but again superior training material and morale proved decisive. Operation Cast Lead is a question mark. Initially, it appears that the IDF bested Hezbollah. At what cost? Such a price that the IDF will never tangle with the Lebanon Shites again. So if assault infantry needs to go against Hezbollah, who will provide it? I don't think it will be IDF. The IDFAF can deliver tremendous ordinance but will even MOAB's be sufficient to crumble the redoubts that have been constructed since the last go round.
    Consequently, the feasible action is to launch a mobile attach through Syria after a relatively long "shock and awe" softening up. Although Assad's forces have combat experience they are likely no match for the first line IDF units. The question then becomes will the logistical and morale challenge of extended high tempo combat find the IDF ground forces wanting? That seems to be what Col Lang is driving at .
    It appears that the Russian hardware and the Russian resolve that Saker talked about was much over rated in Syria. So that little help can be expected from Putin to resist an Israeli attack to occupy territory ( temporarily) in Syria and cut the Hezbollah supply line in order to avoid a costly cross border attack on a defensive salient.
    But if the feared Russian equipment and personnel proved impotent is it not possible that the highly respected IDF might also turn out to be less than invincible?
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  131. WJW says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    You're repeating a point made on this site by commenters all the time and its funny how you segue from a well-posed question to an enemy conspiracy.

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.

    Don't harangue Israel for apartheid unless your point is to undermine the very nationalism you claim to support. We are not about to abolish the Jewish state so that you can have your ethnostate.

    Otherwise: you are trying to scrub Jewish thoughts. What if you are right? So what? So a Jewish person had a tribal thought?

    oh! shiiivvers! Good golly Miss Molly!

    How do you react when "the left" tries to scrub your thoughts? Pretty badly would be my guess and I don't blame you if that's true.

    People have bad thoughts - what matters is what they do, and what you do. Hold your ground and demand the same right. If they argue-and they will-get them to define the right they have, in their words, and claim the same right, and hold your claim, don't segue to mind reading and thought policing.

    “If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state.”

    What does it mean for *any* state to have “the right…to exist”? *Do* states really have this right? In any case, can you tell me what you mean by “a Jewish state”? Is “Jewish” here primarily an ethnic or religious marker? I am pretty sure that I would have to deny the claim to this right in either case, if Israel also aspires to be a democratic state. I don’t mean to be trolling when I note that there is a tension between Israel’s “right to exist” as a “Jewish state” and its self-presentation as a liberal democratic state.

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    In any case, can you tell me what you mean by “a Jewish state”? Is “Jewish” here primarily an ethnic or religious marker?
     
    If you get an answer to that, please let me know. I've been asking that for decades, and have been known to ask rabbis who I've happened to crossed paths with on the street, and rarely get an answer that in any way makes sense. I have never received one that justifies Zionism on either basis. Also, I have a asked that numerous times here at UR and on other blogs and have never received an answer.

    Once, in an airport, I was conversing with a rabbi and he answered that a Jew is anyone who's mother was a Jew. Unfortunately our conversation was cut short by the need to board our respective planes.

    Since the founders of the modern day Zionist project were atheists (many sources for that including Uri Avnery), it can't be religion, and since many if not most of the Zionists are of Eastern European origin who's forebears probably were in no way Semitic, I've concluded that Zionists have misappropriated Judaism and perverted it to their own ends. If so, at least they get high grades for perversion and in that they'd be consistent.
    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    You can split hairs on the question or face the point.
    If there's cheers for Israel's right to have a wall because, "want wall", but then there's demands for Israel to tear down the wall because "apartheid", there's no principle.
    I suppose if you can't understand that, that says enough and what follows doesn't matter but what follows is: you will never see the political will manifest to support your own nationalistic aspirations. There's millions of people out there who already don't care, or are opposed. Their radar will blip on the "want wall, apartheid" dissonance and they won't be shifting their political center of gravity anytime soon, instead it will anchor deeper exactly where it is.
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  132. @jacques sheete

    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?
     
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Zionists did wrong between 1896 and the present? Or, say, 1948 and the present? How about the last decade? Last month?

    Yeah, pretty much the whole endeavor, from the beginning to now. It was the wrong idea from the start.

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    Yeah, pretty much the whole endeavor, from the beginning to now. It was the wrong idea from the start.
     
    So,would we agree that one of the mistakes the Nazis made was supporting the Zionist project?
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  133. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    No action they actively took that you would denounce unconditionally?

    I denounce the internment of Japanese Americans, for instance, as well as any bombings of civilians, period.

    You’re going around in circles.

    As I said, Dunkirk was a big mistake.

    As I also said; the Germans did nothing that was not the norm worldwide at the time, nothing that was not the norm in WWII.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  134. L.K says:
    @peterAUS

    Israeli ground forces did not display the sort of crushing offensive power against Hezbollah in 2006. Hezbollah was well fortified and Israeli armor and air power could not be decisive. It was more Iwo Jima than Blitzkrieg and it may well be the situation Israel would again face were it to try and eradicate Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.
     
    There have been several discussions here regarding that topic.

    The main premise was limited incursion in Lebanon and securing the South by IDF.

    You could skim through my post history and you'll find them. Not because of my input (feel free to skip all my posts) but there were posts by an American right-wing Jew with good inside info, plus link a document. Shouldn't take you more than half an hour to find it.
    If I were you I'd read that document and go from there. Shouldn't take you more than an hour.

    You are good for a hearty laugh, shill!

    Please keep the BS coming!

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  135. Ace says:
    @nsa
    "Tens of thousands of foreign jihadis flooded into Syria......"
    C'mon Ace.....at least spell the word correctly. It's j 0 0 h a d i s.

    LOL. I’ll mend my ways.

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  136. Heros says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    There is a lot of interplay here - the "cast" point by j is slightly undeveloped but deserves unpacking.

    Not only in Czarist spaces, but all over and in all times, the officer class is a cast apart from enlisted - where the cast is from the society at large and high casts become officers and low casts become enlisted.

    The American military system undermines this partially by making officer training available to everyone who qualifies for college, and secondly with a substantial NCO corps. That prevents excessive colonization of the officer corps by upper-class citizens (and arguably has served to alienate our military from the same classes - not necessarily a bad thing), and provides a broader pool of officer candidates which almost surely is a net plus for military effectiveness.

    The NCO corps are indispensible. It's arguably our military's greatest strength and if undermined the consequences would be devastating.

    PeterAUS - on the speculation that the IDF model is good for a militia? Suffice to say I disagree.

    I'm reluctant to even broach it - but if your intent was "uprising, rebellion" ... aren't the unarmed immigrants teaching here?

    There will be no armed rebellion - that wins. Cliche, but: that is madness. Don't even talk about it. But that doesn't rule out rebellions that win.

    Meanwhile- an armed populace, such as envisioned by the Second Amendment, that stands in as a stabilizer in the event of any kind of implosion ... that's perhaps a contingency that's worth thinking through.

    One of the times Lang banned me from SST was when I posed a simple question about freemasons in the US military. My comment was immediately deleted and I was blocked.

    My Grandfather was a freemason and my father too. My Grandfather died when I was a child, but my father never told me about being a freemason, I found out after he died. I do vaguely remember him making some quips about the Shriners at a parade.

    My grandfather, a recent college graduate, entered the US Army Air Corps as an officer during WWI. My father was too young to serve during WWII.

    The story goes, that on the eve of the Korean war, my grandfather and a “general” talked to my father and told him that if he “volunteered” instead of waiting for the draft, that they could make him an Officer in the US Air Force. I now believe that this was freemasonry at work.

    I have read mostly hints in other places about freemasons in the officer corps of the US military, but nothing really descriptive.

    Freemasons were also heavily involved in the Civil War, of which Lang has written several books.

    The point I am making here is that I doubt that many people really know what is going on behind the curtains in the US military, just as with the deep state.

    This is why I always find it offputting when “experts” pretend to be knowledgeable just because they can perfectly parrot the narrative.

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    Heros - your story was interesting, but I am not really sure what your point is despite the last sentence. Who is parroting "the narrative"? OT, me, PeterAus, j? To my read none of us are talking narrative this whole discussion is outside mainstream.
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  137. Alfred says:
    @Anon
    Is there any country which avoids using the "Defense" euphemism? To put it another way, in which countries is it not a euphemism? Australia's case is surely ampngst the least Orwellian inasmuch as its policy is entirely directed to making sure that it will be defended by one of the big boys if any country were to become aggressive - and there is no country against which it threatens conquest.

    “Is there any country which avoids using the “Defense” euphemism?”

    Yes. Iran.

    It is called the Ministry of War – وزارت جنگ

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  138. Randal says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    You're repeating a point made on this site by commenters all the time and its funny how you segue from a well-posed question to an enemy conspiracy.

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.

    Don't harangue Israel for apartheid unless your point is to undermine the very nationalism you claim to support. We are not about to abolish the Jewish state so that you can have your ethnostate.

    Otherwise: you are trying to scrub Jewish thoughts. What if you are right? So what? So a Jewish person had a tribal thought?

    oh! shiiivvers! Good golly Miss Molly!

    How do you react when "the left" tries to scrub your thoughts? Pretty badly would be my guess and I don't blame you if that's true.

    People have bad thoughts - what matters is what they do, and what you do. Hold your ground and demand the same right. If they argue-and they will-get them to define the right they have, in their words, and claim the same right, and hold your claim, don't segue to mind reading and thought policing.

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.

    I’ll acknowledge Israel’s “right to exist as a jewish state” when the right of my nation (ethnically English/British) to exist as such has been accepted, and not before. Particularly having regard to the disproportionate role jewish people and groups have played and continue to play in suppressing that right and any and all advocacy of it.

    Though in reality the issue causing problems is almost never whether Israel exists, but rather in what borders, and how much more land it is to be allowed to steal by the ongoing process of expropriation and settler colonialism.

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    If your country were to legislate to make citizenship dependent on being English/British as you stipulate what makes you think that it would cease to be recognised as a sovereign state by the UN or any country that mattered to it? (Mind you Brexit might be a precondition to a European court not interfering).
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  139. @Andrew E. Mathis
    Yeah, pretty much the whole endeavor, from the beginning to now. It was the wrong idea from the start.

    Yeah, pretty much the whole endeavor, from the beginning to now. It was the wrong idea from the start.

    So,would we agree that one of the mistakes the Nazis made was supporting the Zionist project?

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    I wouldn't say that the Nazis "support[ed] the Zionist project." I'd say that, for a minority of the period of time during which they held power, the Nazis were willing to allow a tiny minority of German and Austrian Jews to emigrate to Palestine, provided they were willing to surrender most of their assets. If you support a nationalist project, you don't general render paupers the people whose nationalist project you are supporting.

    I assume your knowledge about Ha'avara is as shallow as that of most people. For instance, I doubt you're aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren't looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions.
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  140. @WJW
    Many commentators here do not seem to appreciate that Pat Lang's piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis of the strengths (not many) and weaknesses (a whole helluva lot) of the IDF ground forces. The piece is *not* meant to be read as offering a moral critique or justification of the IDF actions it details; these actions, right or wrong (and Lang clearly thinks they are very wrong), are offered by Lang as *evidence* in support of his analytic claims about the general quality of the IDF's discipline and preparedness. It is fairly obvious, for anybody who is able to read between the lines (as at least a few commentators have done), that Lang has a very low opinion indeed of the IDF ground
    forces. He believes they will be routed easily in any confrontation with an actual army--be it Hezbollah, the SAA, or any one of Iran's many state/military-allied special forces units. This is very important knowledge for us to have, as it helps us understand the still unfolding crisis and to anticipate the shape any conflict between Israel and Syria/Hezbollah/Iran is likely, and unlikely, to take. Lang provides a real service in doing this, and it is a service that not many people alive in the US today are able to provide. That Lang ceased receiving major network interview requests to discuss ME politics and military conflicts more than a decade ago should tell you all you need to know about the accuracy of his views and how dangerous their airing has been judged to be for the AngloZionist project.

    Many commentators here do not seem to appreciate that Pat Lang’s piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis of the strengths (not many) and weaknesses (a whole helluva lot) of the IDF ground forces.

    Well, that may have been the intent, but a lot of it sounds like apologetics for the Zionist leadership, and some of us are not buying it and some are using it as an opportunity to highlight defects in Zionist philosophy and to condemn much that’s condemnable and there is plenty of that.

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  141. @WJW
    "If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state."

    What does it mean for *any* state to have "the right...to exist"? *Do* states really have this right? In any case, can you tell me what you mean by "a Jewish state"? Is "Jewish" here primarily an ethnic or religious marker? I am pretty sure that I would have to deny the claim to this right in either case, if Israel also aspires to be a democratic state. I don't mean to be trolling when I note that there is a tension between Israel's "right to exist" as a "Jewish state" and its self-presentation as a liberal democratic state.

    In any case, can you tell me what you mean by “a Jewish state”? Is “Jewish” here primarily an ethnic or religious marker?

    If you get an answer to that, please let me know. I’ve been asking that for decades, and have been known to ask rabbis who I’ve happened to crossed paths with on the street, and rarely get an answer that in any way makes sense. I have never received one that justifies Zionism on either basis. Also, I have a asked that numerous times here at UR and on other blogs and have never received an answer.

    Once, in an airport, I was conversing with a rabbi and he answered that a Jew is anyone who’s mother was a Jew. Unfortunately our conversation was cut short by the need to board our respective planes.

    Since the founders of the modern day Zionist project were atheists (many sources for that including Uri Avnery), it can’t be religion, and since many if not most of the Zionists are of Eastern European origin who’s forebears probably were in no way Semitic, I’ve concluded that Zionists have misappropriated Judaism and perverted it to their own ends. If so, at least they get high grades for perversion and in that they’d be consistent.

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    As someone who believes that people enjoy a right to be a people, and that that is a human and individual right, I would volunteer that a "Jewish state" is whatever state people who accept one another as Jews collaborate to create, inside a border.
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  142. I wonder what Lang would have to say about these remarks.

    [The claim that the killings in Gaza were accidental] directly contradicts IDF’s official statement of 31st March, in which the army claimed that “nothing was carried out uncontrolled, everything was accurate and measured, and we know where every bullet landed.” The IDF later deleted the statement, presumably because of the legal culpability it carries, but a screen capture was taken in time.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/04/claims-casualties-accidental/

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    I wonder, too.

    After mixing it up a bit with readers under his first two columns here at Unz Review, Mr. Lang has apparently retreated from Comment Ridge.

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  143. bjondo says:

    A few hours have passed. Have the innocent, little kiddies taken any 2 for 1 shots? How many bullets to Palestinian heads, backs, kneecaps?

    You know, kids will be kids. And the adults, well, they are busy entertaining, educating their American visitors.

    If only the Palestinians would just leave them alone.

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  144. @jacques sheete

    Yeah, pretty much the whole endeavor, from the beginning to now. It was the wrong idea from the start.
     
    So,would we agree that one of the mistakes the Nazis made was supporting the Zionist project?

    I wouldn’t say that the Nazis “support[ed] the Zionist project.” I’d say that, for a minority of the period of time during which they held power, the Nazis were willing to allow a tiny minority of German and Austrian Jews to emigrate to Palestine, provided they were willing to surrender most of their assets. If you support a nationalist project, you don’t general render paupers the people whose nationalist project you are supporting.

    I assume your knowledge about Ha’avara is as shallow as that of most people. For instance, I doubt you’re aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren’t looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions.

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    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the “transfer” of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Nothing about extermination.

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp “deaths” total around 731,000–NOT “6 million”. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war…

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the “yellow Star of David” armband so that they could be easily identified.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and “disease”–”holocaust ™ “transference syndrome". You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are infected with this “disease” and should also be considered “holocaust ™” survivors, eligible for “holocaust ™” reparations.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews’ declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a “gas chamber” chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were “liberated” by the “allies”, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be “liberated” by the Russian “allies”.

    I urge those “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…
    , @Wally
    said:

    "I doubt you’re aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren’t looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions."

    Hence another reason to manufacture the fake '6M Jews & gas chambers' to gain support.

    Of course, Jews have been lying about their fake '6M' since at least 1823.*
    www.codoh.com

    * https://imgur.com/a/0LFFF
    and:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg

    , @Heros
    In addition to allowing jews to emmigrate from Germany to Palestine, the Havara agreement allowed all of these "German" jews to transfer all their personal wealth with them when they left. And it was.

    Another part of the agreement was that Germany would provide jews with training and apprenticeships in things like farming and construction. Many thousands of jews got this free training. You know, the kind of professions requiring hard work that jews have avoided for centuries out of preference for things like usury and gangsterism. Hilter trained all those Zionists up at a time when Germany was still being boycotted by the American jews.

    The Zionists not only respected the National Socialists they mimicked them in many ways such as uniforms. All the worlds top Zionists visited and coordinated closely with the National Socialists in Berlin.

    Stalin had wanted to create his version of Israel in Crimea. He even ethnically cleansed areas so the jews could steal the land with out doing the dirty work. Fortunately for Stalin, the Zionists had far bigger fish to fry.

    In fact, the US jews were still against the Zionists when America finally entered the war because they realized that the Zionists had violated the boycotts and worked with the National Socialists. It was only after Stalingrad that the Zionists rats left the sinking German ship of state.

    , @jacques sheete

    I wouldn’t say that the Nazis “support[ed] the Zionist project.”
     
    Of course you wouldn't; it doesn't fit your agenda.

    Of course you don't know a damned thing about Nazi-Zionist cooperation, and probably not much about the history of Zionism in general.

    You probably wouldn't say that moneyed Zionists supported the Nazi movement, either, but they did. A prominent Zionist, Olaf Aschberg was one of them.


    I assume your knowledge about Ha’avara is as shallow as that of most people.
     
    And I'll assume that you're an ignoramus since it's so obvious.

    I doubt you’re aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement,
     
    I doubt that you're aware that generalizations like that are specious at best. Zionism was divided into many factions, and still is.
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  145. j says: • Website
    @WJW
    Many commentators here do not seem to appreciate that Pat Lang's piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis of the strengths (not many) and weaknesses (a whole helluva lot) of the IDF ground forces. The piece is *not* meant to be read as offering a moral critique or justification of the IDF actions it details; these actions, right or wrong (and Lang clearly thinks they are very wrong), are offered by Lang as *evidence* in support of his analytic claims about the general quality of the IDF's discipline and preparedness. It is fairly obvious, for anybody who is able to read between the lines (as at least a few commentators have done), that Lang has a very low opinion indeed of the IDF ground
    forces. He believes they will be routed easily in any confrontation with an actual army--be it Hezbollah, the SAA, or any one of Iran's many state/military-allied special forces units. This is very important knowledge for us to have, as it helps us understand the still unfolding crisis and to anticipate the shape any conflict between Israel and Syria/Hezbollah/Iran is likely, and unlikely, to take. Lang provides a real service in doing this, and it is a service that not many people alive in the US today are able to provide. That Lang ceased receiving major network interview requests to discuss ME politics and military conflicts more than a decade ago should tell you all you need to know about the accuracy of his views and how dangerous their airing has been judged to be for the AngloZionist project.

    I don’t know how to take Lang’s pessimism about the IDF ground forces fighting capability. The IDF did fight against the Syrian army when suffering a surprise attack, and it won in two-three days. It fought against the British-led Jordanian army, and won. It also fought against the Hizballah and occupied South Lebanese territory (It was not easy because the Hizballah – the Party of God – had Russian RPGs and strong bunkers, but in one or two weeks they were vanquished). One wonders about the strength of Lang’s arguments.

    The latest war the Iranians fought was against Saddam Hussein, and lasted seven years. How effective were Saddam’s forces? Not much, I gather, since it was cakewalk for the American expeditionary forces to take Baghdad.

    The latest confrontation was with Hamas of Gaza. They bused thousands of juveniles to the frontier and tried to pass the cattle fence of the border and invade in mass Israel. The IDF positioned seven sharpshooters on an embankment. The outcome: the fanatical would-be martyrs retired defeated. Not one even reached the fence. Our losses: none.

    Next time we shall send AI driven robots.

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    Dear Same Old Jew


    From your web site...

    ''I cannot imagine what the Ayatollahs of Iran, who look rather normal and not very fanatic, have against us. They are following a persistent (twenty years and more) aggression against Israel and the Jews - see AMIA. Why?
    May be no reason needed to hate us''

    Iran has never attacked you....otoh you have constantly attacked others--Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, the US as in the USS Liberty. You are what you have always been- destroyers of the earth and others civilizations. You aren't hated nearly enough, but its getting there.

    On top of that you are the same thieves, welfare babies and dead beats you always were:

    Report: Swiss court orders Israel to pay Iran $1b for over Shah era oil ...
    https://www.jpost.com/Israel.../Report-Swiss-court-orders-Israel-to-pay-Iran-1b-for-ov...

    4 days ago - Switzerland's Court of Arbitration ruled this month that Israel must pay $1.1 billion it owes to Iran's national oil company, the official Iranian news agency IRNA reported on Wednesday. Israeli officials have refused to respond or comment on the report. This arbitration case has been ongoing for nearly a ...

    Israel may owe for Oil pipe
    https://www.jpost.com/Israel.../Israel-may-owe-Iran-100-m-for-breached-Eilat-oil-pip...

    6 days ago - Israel may owe Iran $100 million over the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline, which made headlines last week when a breach spilled millions of liters of oil into the Arava. The pipeline was a joint project of Iran ... Harris said that Israel can still dispute the ruling on a range of grounds. First, if Israel shows up in court, ...
    , @WJW
    You should take it as far more informed than your own, but you can and may take it anyway you like. I don't particularly care.
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  146. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    I hope this writer’s book (cover displayed in a sidebar) is better edited than this article is.

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  147. annamaria says:
    @dkshaw
    The article describes a cowardly army fielded by a cowardly government born in terrorism contributing to my formerly non-existent but gradually growing "anti-Semitism".

    “By way deception…”
    There is an army of opportunists eagerly awaiting a signal from ziocons. Exhibit one are the UK high-level officials that were exposed, by the Skripal affairs, as liars, war profiteers, and consummate scoundrels: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-03/skripals-douma-globalist-pravda-network-reveals-its-true-face
    “… according to Mark Sedwell, the UK’s National Security Advisor, certain classified information – such as the apparent door handle delivery method – was released in order to “counter Russian disinformation”. Ah so it was Russian disinformation that took us from the restaurant to the car to the cemetery to the flowers to the luggage to the bench via the porridge and finally (finally???) to the door handle (I say “finally???” only because nobody has yet suggested the cat as the conduit for the poison)? So it was Russian disinformation that tried to sell us the idea of a slow-working, lethal yet non-lethal, military-grade nerve agent that enables its victims to go to restaurants, make them hallucinate and then be as right as rain a few weeks later? So it was Russian disinformation that told us that after studying hours of CCTV footage, British intelligence had a suspect in the case – the dashingly handsome, astonishingly intelligent, and diabolically ruthless former KGB agent, codenamed “Gordon” or was it “Cecil” or “Squiffy” or something, with a penchant for martial arts and (who can doubt) fast cars and loose women – only for Mark Sedwell to tell MPs a week later that there is no suspect, there never has been a suspect, and the investigation has been hampered by lack of CCTV footage?”
    — Mark Sedwell is not just dishonest — he is stupid; his incompetence constitutes a danger for the commonwealth. Here is a question: How come that such very active scoundrel as Mark Sedwell still keeps his KCMG (the Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George)? Is it so because being a liar and war profiteer has become the necessary condition for obtaining the KCMG? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sedwill

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  148. annamaria says:
    @Anon
    Israel err the Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi-entity is completely incompetent. I mean 45 people killed in Gaza over tha past month !!!

    Take a cue from your neighbors , fake khazar Jew boys . Assads father killed 25,000 in Hama in just one months time . Hafez Assad , the original lion of Damascus was a capable and noble chap. You Izrahellis can only manage 45 killed in a month !!! Incompetent.

    The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million , a feat the juvenile Izrahellis will not acheive .

    Even the lowly Sudanese have managed to genocide over a million in Darfur and South SudAn and rape a similar number. 45 killed in one month is a joke . FK the incompetent Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi blood matzah holocaust fakers !!!!

    Hey, Anon[412], you have studiously omitted any mentioning of the ziocon-inspired and guided wars against Iraq, Libya, and Syria. These wars would not be possible without the US Congress being an Israel-occupied territory.
    You prefer to talk about Africa, but this discussion is about the US and her relationships with the parasitoid that is acting through the Lobby, AIPAC, ADL, and other 52 major American Jewish organizations that boost the Israel-firsters grip on the US government and military.
    The ongoing Middle Eastern wars, that are known as the wars for Israel, have generated a death toll in the millions — millions of human beings of all ages. Tell us, Anon[412], about PNAC and Oded Yinon plan, about the USSLiberty coverup, and about the ongoing collaboration between ziocons and neo-Nazis (Banderites) in Ukraine.
    What the name of the current prime minister of Ukraine? — Mr. Groysman.
    What is the name of the main organizer of the Majdan (neo-Nazi) putsch? — Mrs. Nuland-Kagan.
    Who had been pushing the yellowcake forgery before the Iraq war tragedy? — Mr. Ledeen. And the list goes on: Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Wurmser, the whole swarm of Kagans clan, Krauthammer, the crazy Pletka, Podhoretz, Abrams, Miller, Grossman, Frum et al. Not to diminish, of course, the role of the native traitors like Cheney and Bush

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    Hey paid hasbara rat . Nice way to minimize by omission Israel crimes . How much do they pay zio-nazi-hasbara-rats like you for the disinfo you provide ?

    How about the Rwandan genocide? Did you show Israhells's role ? They were the ring leaders. Pol Pot was a crypto Jew and thus the Cambodian genocide is more blood on Israhelli hands. Armenian genocide was done by ctypto Jews in Turki , when Turki invaded Cyprus it was Crypto Jews behind the curtain. Ever hear of Darfur ? Guess what hasbara rat , Omar Bashir is a Jew. Israhell is solely responsible for the millions raped and killed there.

    Do you like the beat down you anglo-zio-nazi scum ???
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  149. @Heros
    Another point you, and the vast majority of Americans, don't seem to be able to figure out is that you are culpable for all these aggressive war crimes.

    After Hitler won the elections, Germans had no say in how the country and its foreign policy were conducted. Americans are citizens of the "exceptional" nation. They feel justified in waging aggressive wars across the planet for the last 70 years because they are spreading "liberalism" and "democracy".

    I really don't care about what delusions idiot Americans suffer under, but I do have a very big problem with people supporting a government that wages continual and parallel wars of aggression across the planet. By willingly supporting their government, and the "service" of their war criminals, the American sheeple have made themselves culpable for every war crime their government has committed in their name.

    During WWII the US media was constantly pointing out the Hitler was a dictator of the worst kind. The German people could not morally be made culpable for the actions of a dictator and his Gestapo. Yet this never made a difference to the Americans as they cheered on "their boys" while the firebombed innocent civilians in Hamburg, Dresden, and Tokyo. Even worse they nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Cristian capital of Japan. What is it with the army and their murder of Christians anyway. Lang seems to find nothing wrong with it in this article.

    So Americans should realize that they cannot complain when a reverse Morgentau plan is set up to sterilize all Americans, and when a series of Rhine Meadows starvation camps are set up all along the Potomac to house all those millions of Yankee war criminals the same way they starved, infected with disease, and even forced "Disarmed Enemy Combatants" to die of thirst when there was a river right next to the camp.

    You accused the Colonel of a war crime. I called you on it. Basically your argument is that because he served in the army in Vietnam, where war crimes were committed by other service members, even if he knew nothing, he is just as guilty.

    Total b.s. is this veteran’s opinion.

    My suggestion is if you really believe this why not go down sometime to any watering hole where vets hang out and share your beliefs. You know freedom of speech.

    Good luck with that.

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    My suggestion is if you really believe this why not go down sometime to any watering hole where vets hang out and share your beliefs. You know freedom of speech.
     
    Another internet tough guy. Give it a rest.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Wasn't the "just following orders" defence squashed at Nuremberg? Wasn't the war in Vietnam (called the American War by Vietnamese) a war of aggression based on lies?

    War crimes are committed by war criminals, obviously. Were you and your chums at the VFW to face up to this fact and speak out you might even be useful in preventing a fresh generation of Americans from committing similar crimes and possibly erase some of the stain on yourselves.
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  150. Zumbuddi says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Are you a hasbara?
     
    If you know someone who will pay me for expressing my own thoughts let me know where I can get hooked up with that.

    Meanwhile I'm going to push on this a note harder, but only a note.

    Here's what I think I am doing: I think I am teaching people how to negotiate in hard negotiations, because that's what's really going on.

    You have one set that entered in as hard negotiators, and party to entering hard negotiations, have their positions very well thought through, and another set that entered into the negotiations with more naiveté, didn't have things thought out very well and didn't expect the other side to be quite so much "other, side", end up getting pushed around and leave the table scamming for war, rather than licking their wounds and coming back to the table as tougher negotiators.

    It's too bad that these are hard negotiations - that it probably shouldn't be between countrymen, but that is what it is.

    There's two different groups that like that outcome: the outcome where you don't come back to the table as tougher negotiators. One group is the bad faith actors on the other side who aren't just tough negotiators, but they really don't care about you as a human being and if you don't figure this out and overstep, overplay your hand and get your physical, legal or military a$$ handed to you, that's one way they'll be happy to win.

    The other group is the group that wants a war with the hard negotiators on the other side.

    I've watched enough Ramzpaul videos to find some of his postures unnecessarily objectionable, he dabbles too deeply in Nazi romance and it exceeds the needs of his satire, but: he thinks that the parties on the right encouraging rabid anti-Semitism are: working for the other side.

    So who's a hasbara suspect?

    ??

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  151. anarchyst says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    I wouldn't say that the Nazis "support[ed] the Zionist project." I'd say that, for a minority of the period of time during which they held power, the Nazis were willing to allow a tiny minority of German and Austrian Jews to emigrate to Palestine, provided they were willing to surrender most of their assets. If you support a nationalist project, you don't general render paupers the people whose nationalist project you are supporting.

    I assume your knowledge about Ha'avara is as shallow as that of most people. For instance, I doubt you're aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren't looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions.

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the “transfer” of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Nothing about extermination.

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp “deaths” total around 731,000–NOT “6 million”. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war…

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the “yellow Star of David” armband so that they could be easily identified.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and “disease”–”holocaust ™ “transference syndrome”. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are infected with this “disease” and should also be considered “holocaust ™” survivors, eligible for “holocaust ™” reparations.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews’ declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a “gas chamber” chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were “liberated” by the “allies”, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be “liberated” by the Russian “allies”.

    I urge those “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

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  152. Avery says:
    @Anon
    Israel err the Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi-entity is completely incompetent. I mean 45 people killed in Gaza over tha past month !!!

    Take a cue from your neighbors , fake khazar Jew boys . Assads father killed 25,000 in Hama in just one months time . Hafez Assad , the original lion of Damascus was a capable and noble chap. You Izrahellis can only manage 45 killed in a month !!! Incompetent.

    The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million , a feat the juvenile Izrahellis will not acheive .

    Even the lowly Sudanese have managed to genocide over a million in Darfur and South SudAn and rape a similar number. 45 killed in one month is a joke . FK the incompetent Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi blood matzah holocaust fakers !!!!

    {The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million….}

    If you are going to lie, at least lie semi-convincingly so as to have some chance of possibly changing the minds of a few unz.com readers who do not know. When you repeat the Neocon lie that current president Assad has supposedly killed ~500,000 Syrians, you expose yourself as a liar.

    It is a provable fact: the estimated ~500K Syrian killed during the 6 year war, which was started by foreign warmongering meddlers (US,UK, France, Turkey, KSA, Israel,…..), and thence prolonged by cannibalistic foreign trained, foreign equipped, foreign funded terrorist scum, were NOT killed by Assad or the Syrian government.

    During 2011-2013, MOST of those killed were Syrian government troops and Government employees. As the war progressed, and SAA got better, and Iranian and Russian aid started coming in, SAA started killing more ISIS scum than losing their own men in battle: Nice.
    Most of the Syrian civilians killed and murdered were killed by foreign terrorist invaders and ISIS throat-cutters. Your Israeli buddies infamously have been providing medical aid to wounded ISIS scum, and then sending them back into Syria to murder more Syrian civilians.

    So your entire post is worthless and bogus.

    btw: your “Izrahellis”, etc shtick (get it? shtick) is very convincing. For sure majority of unz.com readers believe you are _not_ an Israeli propagandist. For sure.

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    shtick ha, nice touch using jew words , guess you arent really a goyim and trying to prove you are really a hasbara rat ?

    I like Assad . He proved he is far superior to Jews and Israhell who will never dare go up against Assad in war. Assad can massacre 25,000 battle hardened jihadis and civilians in only 1 month while Israhell can only kill 44 kids and zero adults in a months time ha.

    Assad + Iran army + Russian army + hezballa + 80,000 strong afghan shia militia only took 6 years to half beat ISIS scum. Israel could not half beat ISIS scum with 50 years time !!!!

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  153. Anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria
    Hey, Anon[412], you have studiously omitted any mentioning of the ziocon-inspired and guided wars against Iraq, Libya, and Syria. These wars would not be possible without the US Congress being an Israel-occupied territory.
    You prefer to talk about Africa, but this discussion is about the US and her relationships with the parasitoid that is acting through the Lobby, AIPAC, ADL, and other 52 major American Jewish organizations that boost the Israel-firsters grip on the US government and military.
    The ongoing Middle Eastern wars, that are known as the wars for Israel, have generated a death toll in the millions -- millions of human beings of all ages. Tell us, Anon[412], about PNAC and Oded Yinon plan, about the USSLiberty coverup, and about the ongoing collaboration between ziocons and neo-Nazis (Banderites) in Ukraine.
    What the name of the current prime minister of Ukraine? -- Mr. Groysman.
    What is the name of the main organizer of the Majdan (neo-Nazi) putsch? -- Mrs. Nuland-Kagan.
    Who had been pushing the yellowcake forgery before the Iraq war tragedy? -- Mr. Ledeen. And the list goes on: Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Wurmser, the whole swarm of Kagans clan, Krauthammer, the crazy Pletka, Podhoretz, Abrams, Miller, Grossman, Frum et al. Not to diminish, of course, the role of the native traitors like Cheney and Bush

    Hey paid hasbara rat . Nice way to minimize by omission Israel crimes . How much do they pay zio-nazi-hasbara-rats like you for the disinfo you provide ?

    How about the Rwandan genocide? Did you show Israhells’s role ? They were the ring leaders. Pol Pot was a crypto Jew and thus the Cambodian genocide is more blood on Israhelli hands. Armenian genocide was done by ctypto Jews in Turki , when Turki invaded Cyprus it was Crypto Jews behind the curtain. Ever hear of Darfur ? Guess what hasbara rat , Omar Bashir is a Jew. Israhell is solely responsible for the millions raped and killed there.

    Do you like the beat down you anglo-zio-nazi scum ???

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    hey, Anon[138]. Are you OK? Are you also the Anon[412]?
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  154. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    I wouldn't say that the Nazis "support[ed] the Zionist project." I'd say that, for a minority of the period of time during which they held power, the Nazis were willing to allow a tiny minority of German and Austrian Jews to emigrate to Palestine, provided they were willing to surrender most of their assets. If you support a nationalist project, you don't general render paupers the people whose nationalist project you are supporting.

    I assume your knowledge about Ha'avara is as shallow as that of most people. For instance, I doubt you're aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren't looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions.

    said:

    “I doubt you’re aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren’t looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions.”

    Hence another reason to manufacture the fake ’6M Jews & gas chambers’ to gain support.

    Of course, Jews have been lying about their fake ’6M’ since at least 1823.*
    http://www.codoh.com

    * https://imgur.com/a/0LFFF
    and:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

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  155. renfro says:
    @j
    I don't know how to take Lang's pessimism about the IDF ground forces fighting capability. The IDF did fight against the Syrian army when suffering a surprise attack, and it won in two-three days. It fought against the British-led Jordanian army, and won. It also fought against the Hizballah and occupied South Lebanese territory (It was not easy because the Hizballah - the Party of God - had Russian RPGs and strong bunkers, but in one or two weeks they were vanquished). One wonders about the strength of Lang's arguments.

    The latest war the Iranians fought was against Saddam Hussein, and lasted seven years. How effective were Saddam's forces? Not much, I gather, since it was cakewalk for the American expeditionary forces to take Baghdad.

    The latest confrontation was with Hamas of Gaza. They bused thousands of juveniles to the frontier and tried to pass the cattle fence of the border and invade in mass Israel. The IDF positioned seven sharpshooters on an embankment. The outcome: the fanatical would-be martyrs retired defeated. Not one even reached the fence. Our losses: none.

    Next time we shall send AI driven robots.

    Dear Same Old Jew

    From your web site…

    ”I cannot imagine what the Ayatollahs of Iran, who look rather normal and not very fanatic, have against us. They are following a persistent (twenty years and more) aggression against Israel and the Jews – see AMIA. Why?
    May be no reason needed to hate us”

    Iran has never attacked you….otoh you have constantly attacked others–Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, the US as in the USS Liberty. You are what you have always been- destroyers of the earth and others civilizations. You aren’t hated nearly enough, but its getting there.

    On top of that you are the same thieves, welfare babies and dead beats you always were:

    Report: Swiss court orders Israel to pay Iran $1b for over Shah era oil …

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel…/Report-Swiss-court-orders-Israel-to-pay-Iran-1b-for-ov…

    4 days ago – Switzerland’s Court of Arbitration ruled this month that Israel must pay $1.1 billion it owes to Iran’s national oil company, the official Iranian news agency IRNA reported on Wednesday. Israeli officials have refused to respond or comment on the report. This arbitration case has been ongoing for nearly a …

    Israel may owe for Oil pipe

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel…/Israel-may-owe-Iran-100-m-for-breached-Eilat-oil-pip…

    6 days ago – Israel may owe Iran $100 million over the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline, which made headlines last week when a breach spilled millions of liters of oil into the Arava. The pipeline was a joint project of Iran … Harris said that Israel can still dispute the ruling on a range of grounds. First, if Israel shows up in court, …

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    Regarding the monies owed to the Shah of Persia, the Swiss lawyers took the position that the Ayatollahs are the lawful inheritors of the Shah. They may be so, but there is small real life detail: the Ayatollahs have declared their intention to kill us all. And they are trying all the time.

    If you ask me, I say, pay the Iranians back to the last cent, yes, but only when we have established diplomatic relations. I hope that the day will arrive, because the Iranians are a civilized people and their good sense will return.

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  156. RobinG says:
    @WJW
    Many commentators here do not seem to appreciate that Pat Lang's piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis of the strengths (not many) and weaknesses (a whole helluva lot) of the IDF ground forces. The piece is *not* meant to be read as offering a moral critique or justification of the IDF actions it details; these actions, right or wrong (and Lang clearly thinks they are very wrong), are offered by Lang as *evidence* in support of his analytic claims about the general quality of the IDF's discipline and preparedness. It is fairly obvious, for anybody who is able to read between the lines (as at least a few commentators have done), that Lang has a very low opinion indeed of the IDF ground
    forces. He believes they will be routed easily in any confrontation with an actual army--be it Hezbollah, the SAA, or any one of Iran's many state/military-allied special forces units. This is very important knowledge for us to have, as it helps us understand the still unfolding crisis and to anticipate the shape any conflict between Israel and Syria/Hezbollah/Iran is likely, and unlikely, to take. Lang provides a real service in doing this, and it is a service that not many people alive in the US today are able to provide. That Lang ceased receiving major network interview requests to discuss ME politics and military conflicts more than a decade ago should tell you all you need to know about the accuracy of his views and how dangerous their airing has been judged to be for the AngloZionist project.

    “…. Pat Lang’s piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis…..”

    This is exactly where it fails. Lang tells us that the latest killings in Gaza are unintended [and unwanted] consequences of a “young” IDF, and we’re not buying it.

    The sniper killings are the anticipated and accepted [and approved -- have any of these IDF snipers suffered any consequences??] result of cynical and ruthless official government policy.

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    Agreed.

    One thing though, this article by Lang was written a few years ago, perhaps a couple of sentences were added to it referring to the present shootings at Gaza, but when, for instance, he writes:

    ...Hizbullah delivered a hint of the inherent limits in such a socio-military system in 2006 and now we are seeing whatever it is that we will see at Gaza.

     

    It was in reference to one of those Zionist attacks on Gaza, can't remember if the one in 2009 or 2014, bc that is when he wrote the piece.
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  157. j says: • Website
    @renfro
    Dear Same Old Jew


    From your web site...

    ''I cannot imagine what the Ayatollahs of Iran, who look rather normal and not very fanatic, have against us. They are following a persistent (twenty years and more) aggression against Israel and the Jews - see AMIA. Why?
    May be no reason needed to hate us''

    Iran has never attacked you....otoh you have constantly attacked others--Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, the US as in the USS Liberty. You are what you have always been- destroyers of the earth and others civilizations. You aren't hated nearly enough, but its getting there.

    On top of that you are the same thieves, welfare babies and dead beats you always were:

    Report: Swiss court orders Israel to pay Iran $1b for over Shah era oil ...
    https://www.jpost.com/Israel.../Report-Swiss-court-orders-Israel-to-pay-Iran-1b-for-ov...

    4 days ago - Switzerland's Court of Arbitration ruled this month that Israel must pay $1.1 billion it owes to Iran's national oil company, the official Iranian news agency IRNA reported on Wednesday. Israeli officials have refused to respond or comment on the report. This arbitration case has been ongoing for nearly a ...

    Israel may owe for Oil pipe
    https://www.jpost.com/Israel.../Israel-may-owe-Iran-100-m-for-breached-Eilat-oil-pip...

    6 days ago - Israel may owe Iran $100 million over the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline, which made headlines last week when a breach spilled millions of liters of oil into the Arava. The pipeline was a joint project of Iran ... Harris said that Israel can still dispute the ruling on a range of grounds. First, if Israel shows up in court, ...

    Regarding the monies owed to the Shah of Persia, the Swiss lawyers took the position that the Ayatollahs are the lawful inheritors of the Shah. They may be so, but there is small real life detail: the Ayatollahs have declared their intention to kill us all. And they are trying all the time.

    If you ask me, I say, pay the Iranians back to the last cent, yes, but only when we have established diplomatic relations. I hope that the day will arrive, because the Iranians are a civilized people and their good sense will return.

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    "...the Ayatollahs have declared their intention to kill us all."
    ---You mistook them for Martin van Creveld, an Israeli military historian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
    Martin van Greveld: "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
    Greveld is not alone: "Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book ... that, in his opinion, in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust", Israel could "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)" as well as the "holy places of Islam." He writes that "abandonment of proportionality is the essence" of the Samson Option."
    -- Or, perhaps, for you, the "intention to kill us all" comes from Iran' desire to decouple from petrodollar? As it was well-established by Smedley Butler, the US wars are the wars for banksters and other war profiteers. Recently, the US wars have been also fought for Eretz Israel.
    Was it Iran that had maimed and murdered the American sailors on the USSLiberty?
    What about Pollard? What about Ledeen and Wolfowitz and stupid Judy Miller?
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  158. Heros says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    I wouldn't say that the Nazis "support[ed] the Zionist project." I'd say that, for a minority of the period of time during which they held power, the Nazis were willing to allow a tiny minority of German and Austrian Jews to emigrate to Palestine, provided they were willing to surrender most of their assets. If you support a nationalist project, you don't general render paupers the people whose nationalist project you are supporting.

    I assume your knowledge about Ha'avara is as shallow as that of most people. For instance, I doubt you're aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren't looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions.

    In addition to allowing jews to emmigrate from Germany to Palestine, the Havara agreement allowed all of these “German” jews to transfer all their personal wealth with them when they left. And it was.

    Another part of the agreement was that Germany would provide jews with training and apprenticeships in things like farming and construction. Many thousands of jews got this free training. You know, the kind of professions requiring hard work that jews have avoided for centuries out of preference for things like usury and gangsterism. Hilter trained all those Zionists up at a time when Germany was still being boycotted by the American jews.

    The Zionists not only respected the National Socialists they mimicked them in many ways such as uniforms. All the worlds top Zionists visited and coordinated closely with the National Socialists in Berlin.

    Stalin had wanted to create his version of Israel in Crimea. He even ethnically cleansed areas so the jews could steal the land with out doing the dirty work. Fortunately for Stalin, the Zionists had far bigger fish to fry.

    In fact, the US jews were still against the Zionists when America finally entered the war because they realized that the Zionists had violated the boycotts and worked with the National Socialists. It was only after Stalingrad that the Zionists rats left the sinking German ship of state.

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    If you could offer some kind of proof for even 10% of your post, I'd be impressed.
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  159. @WJW
    "If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state."

    What does it mean for *any* state to have "the right...to exist"? *Do* states really have this right? In any case, can you tell me what you mean by "a Jewish state"? Is "Jewish" here primarily an ethnic or religious marker? I am pretty sure that I would have to deny the claim to this right in either case, if Israel also aspires to be a democratic state. I don't mean to be trolling when I note that there is a tension between Israel's "right to exist" as a "Jewish state" and its self-presentation as a liberal democratic state.

    You can split hairs on the question or face the point.
    If there’s cheers for Israel’s right to have a wall because, “want wall”, but then there’s demands for Israel to tear down the wall because “apartheid”, there’s no principle.
    I suppose if you can’t understand that, that says enough and what follows doesn’t matter but what follows is: you will never see the political will manifest to support your own nationalistic aspirations. There’s millions of people out there who already don’t care, or are opposed. Their radar will blip on the “want wall, apartheid” dissonance and they won’t be shifting their political center of gravity anytime soon, instead it will anchor deeper exactly where it is.

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    Dude I am just trying to figure out what "Jewish" means in the oft-quoted phrase "Jewish state."
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  160. @Heros
    One of the times Lang banned me from SST was when I posed a simple question about freemasons in the US military. My comment was immediately deleted and I was blocked.

    My Grandfather was a freemason and my father too. My Grandfather died when I was a child, but my father never told me about being a freemason, I found out after he died. I do vaguely remember him making some quips about the Shriners at a parade.

    My grandfather, a recent college graduate, entered the US Army Air Corps as an officer during WWI. My father was too young to serve during WWII.

    The story goes, that on the eve of the Korean war, my grandfather and a "general" talked to my father and told him that if he "volunteered" instead of waiting for the draft, that they could make him an Officer in the US Air Force. I now believe that this was freemasonry at work.

    I have read mostly hints in other places about freemasons in the officer corps of the US military, but nothing really descriptive.

    Freemasons were also heavily involved in the Civil War, of which Lang has written several books.

    The point I am making here is that I doubt that many people really know what is going on behind the curtains in the US military, just as with the deep state.

    This is why I always find it offputting when "experts" pretend to be knowledgeable just because they can perfectly parrot the narrative.

    Heros – your story was interesting, but I am not really sure what your point is despite the last sentence. Who is parroting “the narrative”? OT, me, PeterAus, j? To my read none of us are talking narrative this whole discussion is outside mainstream.

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  161. @peterAUS
    Say, the current paradigm gets you, Americans, and the world in general too, of course, to a brink of nuclear war with Russia.

    Say, all rational prognosis is, should the current (hypothetical) process keep going in two weeks we’ll see a nuclear exchange. ICMBs and such.

    Now, the usual from plebs hasn’t worked. Posting on Internet, mailing /phoning to your Congresmen/Senators/whatever, even mass demonstrations (hard to imagine that in USA, but, well, THAT motive could make a difference, perhaps).

    So, say, one of those mass demonstrations really turns violent and escalates into firearm use on both sides. Say, something as Bloody Sunday (or myriad other examples).

    Now……………..the enraged population, somehow, does produce a leadership capable of, say, rejecting Washington authority. Say….”we don’t support current policy leading to nuclear…blah…blah”. Something as plenty of secessionist movements seen before rather recently.

    Washington, naturally, wants that taken down. As any central authority. Seen as well, recently.

    So……if that city of, say, 50 000 people, really decides to tell Washington to fuck off, wouldn’t they need some sort of militia?

    If yes, well, why they wouldn’t want to organize that militia as myriad simple examples from history?
    Latest examples from Ukraine/Donbass. Previous, successful, examples also from Eastern Europe.
    And, well, ALL of those militias/movements were organized as I.D.F.

    Now, I do get that Americans are ….special…..people, so, admit that what worked well for plenty of others for some reason (yes, I do suspect what that is but let’ leave it out) can’t work in USA.

    Still, a decent city of 50 000 can organize a militia on I.D.F principles, in a week. Squad in 10 minutes, platoon in two hours, company in two days, battalion in 5. That's the key.
    The last two are just to put those battalions into some coherent network, call it brigade/whatever.

    My 2 cents anyway.

    I don’t know a lot about the IDF, as much as any American whose spent time in Israel and that is something because in the small place and given its situation just going about one’s business one comes into contact with the IDF almost like one comes into contact with police while in the US, so if we are talking about IDF principles I assume we’re taking the OT at face value.
    I actually had thought based on previous reading that the IDF had a meaningful NCO corps, this article seems to cast doubt on that.
    Anyway … we can scenarioize to get to where you are talking of. BTW first though, I say “don’t talk about that” for two reasons. One is psychological: too many commenters take things seriously when as the songbird sings, tomorrow is going to be another sunny day, so even talking that way is participating in a kind of delusion that warps the mind. The other reason though is that the authorities take it seriously. There’s all kinds of points where people think they’re being spied on or that the authorities even have the time of day for them and of course they don’t, but talk of armed rebellion is like one of those things you can do on your taxes that increases the likelihood of an audit, so me-to-you: zero upside.
    Finally – my scenario isn’t like yours. I don’t think that the US or Russia have – particular things – which would be necessary to have an all-out war if they actually wanted one, and I think their leaders are aware of that. It’s an unlikely prospect already on the ROI for both parties alone, so without ruling it impossible, my bet goes down on the table that it won’t happen.
    That said collapse scenarios are possible. Economic implosion and civil unrest just because Americans are becoming so alienated from one another. Collapse doesn’t look like the zombie apocalypse it looks different, but if it happened then right about there I can intersect with your thinking because that’s a natural thing to happen – it’s the federation / confederation cycle, and you could see that for what will probably be short lives militias might organize along the lines described.

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    I don’t know a lot about the IDF...
     

    ....so if we are talking about IDF principles I assume we’re taking the OT at face value.
     

    I actually had thought based on previous reading that the IDF had a meaningful NCO corps, this article seems to cast doubt on that.
     
    The author is correct re NCO corps.

    I think their leaders are aware of that. It’s an unlikely prospect already on the ROI for both parties alone, so without ruling it impossible, my bet goes down on the table that it won’t happen.
     
    Mine doesn't.
    I believe if things keep going as they are we will have a serious confrontation. What happens then I do not know.
    Siloviki could fold.
    If they don’t fold the chicken game will create a mistake and that mistake will produce the launch.

    That said collapse scenarios are possible. Economic implosion and civil unrest just because Americans are becoming so alienated from one another. Collapse doesn’t look like the zombie apocalypse it looks different, but if it happened then right about there I can intersect with your thinking because that’s a natural thing to happen – it’s the federation / confederation cycle, and you could see that for what will probably be short lives militias might organize along the lines described.
     
    That’s one scenario. Collapse I mean.
    There are other scenarios which also include rejection of central authority. Each of those scenarios will require an armed wing of that rejection. That armed wing will, most likely, in order to be successful, be organized along IDF lines.

    And when I say IDF it’s not exactly the case.
    IDF itself was, and still is, organized as any “people militia”. Tito’s partisans, Greek partisans, Mao’s forces, Vietamese against France, Vietcong, Hezbollah ,Tutsi’s, etc…etc…..

    In essence, IDF is one of those rare “people’s armed forces” in developed world.

    Makes you think, a?

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  162. @Heros
    In addition to allowing jews to emmigrate from Germany to Palestine, the Havara agreement allowed all of these "German" jews to transfer all their personal wealth with them when they left. And it was.

    Another part of the agreement was that Germany would provide jews with training and apprenticeships in things like farming and construction. Many thousands of jews got this free training. You know, the kind of professions requiring hard work that jews have avoided for centuries out of preference for things like usury and gangsterism. Hilter trained all those Zionists up at a time when Germany was still being boycotted by the American jews.

    The Zionists not only respected the National Socialists they mimicked them in many ways such as uniforms. All the worlds top Zionists visited and coordinated closely with the National Socialists in Berlin.

    Stalin had wanted to create his version of Israel in Crimea. He even ethnically cleansed areas so the jews could steal the land with out doing the dirty work. Fortunately for Stalin, the Zionists had far bigger fish to fry.

    In fact, the US jews were still against the Zionists when America finally entered the war because they realized that the Zionists had violated the boycotts and worked with the National Socialists. It was only after Stalingrad that the Zionists rats left the sinking German ship of state.

    If you could offer some kind of proof for even 10% of your post, I’d be impressed.

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    Proof? Like 6m bodies?

    I got most of it from Samisdat, Ernst Zundel's channel. For some reason youtube hasn't deleted him yet. Zundel is probably the closest thing to a hero I will ever have.
    , @anarchyst
    Here is part of your "proof". Obtain and read "51 Questions (and Answers) Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis", by Lenni Brenner.
    , @jacques sheete

    If you could offer some kind of proof for even 10% of your post, I’d be impressed.
     
    If you ever learned some of that history, no doubt you'd be depressed.

    Try to get up to speed, will ya? You happen to be at UR, where people actually have a clue.
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  163. @jacques sheete

    In any case, can you tell me what you mean by “a Jewish state”? Is “Jewish” here primarily an ethnic or religious marker?
     
    If you get an answer to that, please let me know. I've been asking that for decades, and have been known to ask rabbis who I've happened to crossed paths with on the street, and rarely get an answer that in any way makes sense. I have never received one that justifies Zionism on either basis. Also, I have a asked that numerous times here at UR and on other blogs and have never received an answer.

    Once, in an airport, I was conversing with a rabbi and he answered that a Jew is anyone who's mother was a Jew. Unfortunately our conversation was cut short by the need to board our respective planes.

    Since the founders of the modern day Zionist project were atheists (many sources for that including Uri Avnery), it can't be religion, and since many if not most of the Zionists are of Eastern European origin who's forebears probably were in no way Semitic, I've concluded that Zionists have misappropriated Judaism and perverted it to their own ends. If so, at least they get high grades for perversion and in that they'd be consistent.

    As someone who believes that people enjoy a right to be a people, and that that is a human and individual right, I would volunteer that a “Jewish state” is whatever state people who accept one another as Jews collaborate to create, inside a border.

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    So, what's a "Jew"?
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  164. peterAUS says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I don't know a lot about the IDF, as much as any American whose spent time in Israel and that is something because in the small place and given its situation just going about one's business one comes into contact with the IDF almost like one comes into contact with police while in the US, so if we are talking about IDF principles I assume we're taking the OT at face value.
    I actually had thought based on previous reading that the IDF had a meaningful NCO corps, this article seems to cast doubt on that.
    Anyway ... we can scenarioize to get to where you are talking of. BTW first though, I say "don't talk about that" for two reasons. One is psychological: too many commenters take things seriously when as the songbird sings, tomorrow is going to be another sunny day, so even talking that way is participating in a kind of delusion that warps the mind. The other reason though is that the authorities take it seriously. There's all kinds of points where people think they're being spied on or that the authorities even have the time of day for them and of course they don't, but talk of armed rebellion is like one of those things you can do on your taxes that increases the likelihood of an audit, so me-to-you: zero upside.
    Finally - my scenario isn't like yours. I don't think that the US or Russia have - particular things - which would be necessary to have an all-out war if they actually wanted one, and I think their leaders are aware of that. It's an unlikely prospect already on the ROI for both parties alone, so without ruling it impossible, my bet goes down on the table that it won't happen.
    That said collapse scenarios are possible. Economic implosion and civil unrest just because Americans are becoming so alienated from one another. Collapse doesn't look like the zombie apocalypse it looks different, but if it happened then right about there I can intersect with your thinking because that's a natural thing to happen - it's the federation / confederation cycle, and you could see that for what will probably be short lives militias might organize along the lines described.

    I don’t know a lot about the IDF…

    ….so if we are talking about IDF principles I assume we’re taking the OT at face value.

    I actually had thought based on previous reading that the IDF had a meaningful NCO corps, this article seems to cast doubt on that.

    The author is correct re NCO corps.

    I think their leaders are aware of that. It’s an unlikely prospect already on the ROI for both parties alone, so without ruling it impossible, my bet goes down on the table that it won’t happen.

    Mine doesn’t.
    I believe if things keep going as they are we will have a serious confrontation. What happens then I do not know.
    Siloviki could fold.
    If they don’t fold the chicken game will create a mistake and that mistake will produce the launch.

    That said collapse scenarios are possible. Economic implosion and civil unrest just because Americans are becoming so alienated from one another. Collapse doesn’t look like the zombie apocalypse it looks different, but if it happened then right about there I can intersect with your thinking because that’s a natural thing to happen – it’s the federation / confederation cycle, and you could see that for what will probably be short lives militias might organize along the lines described.

    That’s one scenario. Collapse I mean.
    There are other scenarios which also include rejection of central authority. Each of those scenarios will require an armed wing of that rejection. That armed wing will, most likely, in order to be successful, be organized along IDF lines.

    And when I say IDF it’s not exactly the case.
    IDF itself was, and still is, organized as any “people militia”. Tito’s partisans, Greek partisans, Mao’s forces, Vietamese against France, Vietcong, Hezbollah ,Tutsi’s, etc…etc…..

    In essence, IDF is one of those rare “people’s armed forces” in developed world.

    Makes you think, a?

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    Mine doesn’t.
    I believe if things keep going as they are we will have a serious confrontation.
     
    My dollars go in the "we won't tangle" column. We'll see I could be wrong, I hope I'm not wrong. All I can do is obliquely come at why I take it to be unlikely but a lower order point would simply be that I don't see any scenario where Russia would see an all-out war with the US as serving its interests. Russia has interests and will defend them - what the Saker types don't absorb is that projecting that fact by itself - that Russia can and will defend its interests - is adequate to Russia's needs - its purpose is to prevent further conflict, and it works because it forces the US to exercise restraint.
    You would have to produce a case where Russia cannot defend its own interests without engaging the US in all-out war. Not only is that improbable but every Russian resource would be staked on preventing a defense-of-interest action from being escalable to all-out war because any given interest per se isn't worth it. Another angle on it that fails to come out in the Unz profile of articles is that Russia needs propaganda. IOW: Russia has many, many places where it is not well liked. We always hear the amplifier on all the ways the US is not liked but those exist side-by-side with a world teaming with anti-Russian agendas and sentiments ready to make common cause with immiserating Russia. I take comfort that I have no evidence that Putin lives in a always-reliving-WWII-Saker-fantasy-world and is a rational man. I think Putin is sensitive to the fact that Russia is best served when those sentiments stay safely tucked away in coffee shops, and he knows the way to call them out of coffee shops and into action is to let bullets fly. I think both sides know too that neither can win and the only predictable outcome is that at the end both are weakened and the dice are completely reshuffled. My armchair prediction is that if it came to that and we didn't apocalypse ourselves, it would be a set up for 7th century Persia and just like the 6th century, there'd be no predicting who or what will step in to fill the vacuum, but it won't be something anyone likes.

    Makes you think, a?
     
    Very much.
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  165. annamaria says:
    @Anon
    Hey paid hasbara rat . Nice way to minimize by omission Israel crimes . How much do they pay zio-nazi-hasbara-rats like you for the disinfo you provide ?

    How about the Rwandan genocide? Did you show Israhells's role ? They were the ring leaders. Pol Pot was a crypto Jew and thus the Cambodian genocide is more blood on Israhelli hands. Armenian genocide was done by ctypto Jews in Turki , when Turki invaded Cyprus it was Crypto Jews behind the curtain. Ever hear of Darfur ? Guess what hasbara rat , Omar Bashir is a Jew. Israhell is solely responsible for the millions raped and killed there.

    Do you like the beat down you anglo-zio-nazi scum ???

    hey, Anon[138]. Are you OK? Are you also the Anon[412]?

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  166. prusmc says:
    @WJW
    Many commentators here do not seem to appreciate that Pat Lang's piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis of the strengths (not many) and weaknesses (a whole helluva lot) of the IDF ground forces. The piece is *not* meant to be read as offering a moral critique or justification of the IDF actions it details; these actions, right or wrong (and Lang clearly thinks they are very wrong), are offered by Lang as *evidence* in support of his analytic claims about the general quality of the IDF's discipline and preparedness. It is fairly obvious, for anybody who is able to read between the lines (as at least a few commentators have done), that Lang has a very low opinion indeed of the IDF ground
    forces. He believes they will be routed easily in any confrontation with an actual army--be it Hezbollah, the SAA, or any one of Iran's many state/military-allied special forces units. This is very important knowledge for us to have, as it helps us understand the still unfolding crisis and to anticipate the shape any conflict between Israel and Syria/Hezbollah/Iran is likely, and unlikely, to take. Lang provides a real service in doing this, and it is a service that not many people alive in the US today are able to provide. That Lang ceased receiving major network interview requests to discuss ME politics and military conflicts more than a decade ago should tell you all you need to know about the accuracy of his views and how dangerous their airing has been judged to be for the AngloZionist project.

    For many years I was a great supporter of Israel and admired their IDF. Forgetting the moral and political sides of the equation, I now think the efficacy of their armed forces may be over-rated. Let’s say they have a razor-sharp air force and a sound missile defense and offensive capability. The Navy is at most a Coast Guard (all that is needed) with a few missile launching submarines. The struggle for independence was the only protracted active hostility they were involved in and much of that was mopping up and anti-partisan action.
    The Sinai campaign of 1956 was short duration mobile warfare marked by effective combined operation. In 1967 surprise attack and great coordinated fire and maneuver carried the day. The Yom Kipper war was a bit close at first but again superior training material and morale proved decisive. Operation Cast Lead is a question mark. Initially, it appears that the IDF bested Hezbollah. At what cost? Such a price that the IDF will never tangle with the Lebanon Shites again. So if assault infantry needs to go against Hezbollah, who will provide it? I don’t think it will be IDF. The IDFAF can deliver tremendous ordinance but will even MOAB’s be sufficient to crumble the redoubts that have been constructed since the last go round.
    Consequently, the feasible action is to launch a mobile attach through Syria after a relatively long “shock and awe” softening up. Although Assad’s forces have combat experience they are likely no match for the first line IDF units. The question then becomes will the logistical and morale challenge of extended high tempo combat find the IDF ground forces wanting? That seems to be what Col Lang is driving at .
    It appears that the Russian hardware and the Russian resolve that Saker talked about was much over rated in Syria. So that little help can be expected from Putin to resist an Israeli attack to occupy territory ( temporarily) in Syria and cut the Hezbollah supply line in order to avoid a costly cross border attack on a defensive salient.
    But if the feared Russian equipment and personnel proved impotent is it not possible that the highly respected IDF might also turn out to be less than invincible?

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    What interest does Israel have in a land-invasion of Syria? Operation Cast Lead happened because of active border provocations from shooting missiles into Haifa to kidnapping Israeli soldiers. What casus belli is happening now?
    Otherwise not disagreeing with much of what you said up to that point, but at that point I don't get it. Israel seems overstretched as it stands and my admittedly imprecise finger-in-the-wind radar doesn't detect much stomach for protracted conflict which would be impossible to avoid in a land-conflict with Syria.
    , @L.K
    There are a lot of problems with what you wrote. I'll focus only on Lebanon for now.

    Operation Cast Lead had NOTHING to do with Lebanon/Hezbollah. It was an iof attack on the Palestinian Gaza strip in 2009, not the second Lebanon war of 06.

    The overrated IOF were defeated by Hezbollah in Lebanon in 06, there is no question "mark".
    Previously, in the first war, Hezbollah had defeated the israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon, forcing them to pull out in 2000.

    Hezbollah achieved its victory in 06, despite huge iof firepower and manpower superiority.

    Former British MI6 spook Alastair Crooke & investigative journalist M.Parry wrote a series that is one of the best accounts of that war...
    From their report, in a few words:

    But by any accounting - whether in rockets, armored vehicles or numbers of dead and wounded - Hezbollah's fight against Israel must be accorded a decisive military and political victory. Even if it were otherwise (and it is clearly not), the full impact of Hezbollah's war with Israel over a period of 34 days in July and August has caused a political earthquake in the region.

    ...After-battle reports of Hezbollah commanders now confirm that IDF troops never fully secured the border area and Maroun al-Ras was never fully taken. Nor did Hezbollah ever feel the need to call up its reserves, as Israel had done. "The entire war was fought by one Hezbollah brigade of 3,000 troops, and no more," one military expert in the region said. "The Nasr Brigade fought the entire war. Hezbollah never felt the need to reinforce it."
    IDF commanders were also disturbed by the performance of their troops, noting a signal lack of discipline even among its best-trained regular soldiers. The reserves were worse, and IDF commanders hesitated to put them into battle. ...

     

    In the battle for the town of Bint Jbeil for example, a company sized Hezbollah unit was able to defeat around 5,000 iof troops, including some of its best infantry and armor, such as the Golani brigade, the paratroopers brigade, etc.
    , @L.K
    In the study "Back to Basics", US Lieutenant Colonel Scott C. Farquhar, wrote:

    American professional military personnel are well-acquainted with “the arrogant show of strength” that was Task Force Smith in Korea in the summer of 1950 and of its fate. A similar result occurred when the vaunted IDF attacked into Lebanon in 2006 against the guerrilla army of Hezbollah: a firstworld army was fought to a standstill by a tough and determined enemy despite overwhelming air power. The IDF pitted ill-trained soldiers and ill-educated officers, who attempted to carry out vague orders and unfamiliar tasks, against a small group of men with good weapons and a simple mission.
     
    He examines the IOF supposed improvements after the 2006 defeat and its better performance against the Palestinians trapped in Gaza during operation Cast Lead, in late December 2008-January 2009, but cautions that Hamas was much weaker than Hezbollah:

    ...Hezbollah presented the Israelis with a well trained, well led and suitably equipped force with sufficient space to defend in depth. Hamas was inadequately trained and poorly led with little space to trade for producing Israeli casualties.... Conversely, as in the case of Hamas, an underequipped, ill trained and poorly commanded opponent can be an annoyance—but it will not stand long against significant national power. Hamas presented the Israelis with a poor imitation of Hezbollah...
     
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  167. L.K says:
    @RobinG
    ".... Pat Lang’s piece is meant to provide us with dispassionate and informed analysis....."

    This is exactly where it fails. Lang tells us that the latest killings in Gaza are unintended [and unwanted] consequences of a "young" IDF, and we're not buying it.

    The sniper killings are the anticipated and accepted [and approved -- have any of these IDF snipers suffered any consequences??] result of cynical and ruthless official government policy.

    Agreed.

    One thing though, this article by Lang was written a few years ago, perhaps a couple of sentences were added to it referring to the present shootings at Gaza, but when, for instance, he writes:

    …Hizbullah delivered a hint of the inherent limits in such a socio-military system in 2006 and now we are seeing whatever it is that we will see at Gaza.

    It was in reference to one of those Zionist attacks on Gaza, can’t remember if the one in 2009 or 2014, bc that is when he wrote the piece.

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    Well, thank you. That makes my case even stronger. (;

    Obviously, the Israelis didn't take Col. Lang's advice (from 4 or 9 years ago) and improve their NCO corps. They must like the erratic behavior just the way it is. Random killing and maiming.... just what the Zionists ordered.
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  168. annamaria says:
    @j
    Regarding the monies owed to the Shah of Persia, the Swiss lawyers took the position that the Ayatollahs are the lawful inheritors of the Shah. They may be so, but there is small real life detail: the Ayatollahs have declared their intention to kill us all. And they are trying all the time.

    If you ask me, I say, pay the Iranians back to the last cent, yes, but only when we have established diplomatic relations. I hope that the day will arrive, because the Iranians are a civilized people and their good sense will return.

    “…the Ayatollahs have declared their intention to kill us all.”
    —You mistook them for Martin van Creveld, an Israeli military historian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
    Martin van Greveld: “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”
    Greveld is not alone: “Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book … that, in his opinion, in the “aftermath of a second Holocaust”, Israel could “bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)” as well as the “holy places of Islam.” He writes that “abandonment of proportionality is the essence” of the Samson Option.”
    – Or, perhaps, for you, the “intention to kill us all” comes from Iran’ desire to decouple from petrodollar? As it was well-established by Smedley Butler, the US wars are the wars for banksters and other war profiteers. Recently, the US wars have been also fought for Eretz Israel.
    Was it Iran that had maimed and murdered the American sailors on the USSLiberty?
    What about Pollard? What about Ledeen and Wolfowitz and stupid Judy Miller?

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  169. Heros says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    If you could offer some kind of proof for even 10% of your post, I'd be impressed.

    Proof? Like 6m bodies?

    I got most of it from Samisdat, Ernst Zundel’s channel. For some reason youtube hasn’t deleted him yet. Zundel is probably the closest thing to a hero I will ever have.

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    Zündel, eh? You’ll want to read this:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/zundel-resurfaces.html
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  170. annamaria says:

    Excerpts from “War Is A Racket” by Major General Smedley Butler:
    “The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labor before the nations manhood can be conscripted. … Let everyone in the nation be restricted to a total monthly income not to exceed that paid to the soldier in the trenches. …
    Another step necessary in this fight to smash the war racket is the limited plebiscite to determine whether a war should be declared. … Only those who would be called upon to risk their lives for their country should have the privilege of voting to determine whether the nation should go to war. …
    A third step in this business of smashing the war racket is to make certain that our military forces are truly forces for defense only.”
    – Compare the valiant Smedley Darlington Butler, who was “a United States Marine Corps major general and the most decorated Marine in U.S. history,” to the pampered opportunistic warmongers Breedlove, Rassmussen, and Scaparrott. These warmongers can’t wait to send other peoples’ children to fight for banksters, ziocons, weapon manufacturers, and appropriators of other nations’ mineral resources.

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  171. anarchyst says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    If you could offer some kind of proof for even 10% of your post, I'd be impressed.

    Here is part of your “proof”. Obtain and read “51 Questions (and Answers) Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis”, by Lenni Brenner.

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  172. @peterAUS

    I don’t know a lot about the IDF...
     

    ....so if we are talking about IDF principles I assume we’re taking the OT at face value.
     

    I actually had thought based on previous reading that the IDF had a meaningful NCO corps, this article seems to cast doubt on that.
     
    The author is correct re NCO corps.

    I think their leaders are aware of that. It’s an unlikely prospect already on the ROI for both parties alone, so without ruling it impossible, my bet goes down on the table that it won’t happen.
     
    Mine doesn't.
    I believe if things keep going as they are we will have a serious confrontation. What happens then I do not know.
    Siloviki could fold.
    If they don’t fold the chicken game will create a mistake and that mistake will produce the launch.

    That said collapse scenarios are possible. Economic implosion and civil unrest just because Americans are becoming so alienated from one another. Collapse doesn’t look like the zombie apocalypse it looks different, but if it happened then right about there I can intersect with your thinking because that’s a natural thing to happen – it’s the federation / confederation cycle, and you could see that for what will probably be short lives militias might organize along the lines described.
     
    That’s one scenario. Collapse I mean.
    There are other scenarios which also include rejection of central authority. Each of those scenarios will require an armed wing of that rejection. That armed wing will, most likely, in order to be successful, be organized along IDF lines.

    And when I say IDF it’s not exactly the case.
    IDF itself was, and still is, organized as any “people militia”. Tito’s partisans, Greek partisans, Mao’s forces, Vietamese against France, Vietcong, Hezbollah ,Tutsi’s, etc…etc…..

    In essence, IDF is one of those rare “people’s armed forces” in developed world.

    Makes you think, a?

    Mine doesn’t.
    I believe if things keep going as they are we will have a serious confrontation.

    My dollars go in the “we won’t tangle” column. We’ll see I could be wrong, I hope I’m not wrong. All I can do is obliquely come at why I take it to be unlikely but a lower order point would simply be that I don’t see any scenario where Russia would see an all-out war with the US as serving its interests. Russia has interests and will defend them – what the Saker types don’t absorb is that projecting that fact by itself – that Russia can and will defend its interests – is adequate to Russia’s needs – its purpose is to prevent further conflict, and it works because it forces the US to exercise restraint.
    You would have to produce a case where Russia cannot defend its own interests without engaging the US in all-out war. Not only is that improbable but every Russian resource would be staked on preventing a defense-of-interest action from being escalable to all-out war because any given interest per se isn’t worth it. Another angle on it that fails to come out in the Unz profile of articles is that Russia needs propaganda. IOW: Russia has many, many places where it is not well liked. We always hear the amplifier on all the ways the US is not liked but those exist side-by-side with a world teaming with anti-Russian agendas and sentiments ready to make common cause with immiserating Russia. I take comfort that I have no evidence that Putin lives in a always-reliving-WWII-Saker-fantasy-world and is a rational man. I think Putin is sensitive to the fact that Russia is best served when those sentiments stay safely tucked away in coffee shops, and he knows the way to call them out of coffee shops and into action is to let bullets fly. I think both sides know too that neither can win and the only predictable outcome is that at the end both are weakened and the dice are completely reshuffled. My armchair prediction is that if it came to that and we didn’t apocalypse ourselves, it would be a set up for 7th century Persia and just like the 6th century, there’d be no predicting who or what will step in to fill the vacuum, but it won’t be something anyone likes.

    Makes you think, a?

    Very much.

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    Well, this thread is about perceived weaknesses of IDF land forces.
    There are plenty of articles/posts about the conflict between USA/West and Russia. It's almost a meme here. Becoming boring.

    So, regarding

    I don’t see any scenario where Russia would see an all-out war with the US as serving its interests.
     
    Agree.

    If you rephrase that into:

    I don’t see any scenario where Russia's siloviki would see an all-out war with the US as serving their interests.
     
    then the perception and expectations could change.

    The Empire also doesn't want war with Russia. It wants Russia's resources. As in Yeltsin era.
    The only group in Russian society that resents that (except hard core nationalists but they don't appear to be having any power) are siloviki. Putin as one of them.
    So, The Empire in essence, simply wants a regime change in Kremlin. Peaceful if possible, "color revolution" if not. Anyway.....

    All top layers of Russian society wouldn't mind that except siloviki (and nationalists but let's leave them out). They just know should that happen they'll get Milosevic treatment. Only idiot would allow it.

    So, it's simple: if/when they feel they are going to lose power they won't mind taking the enemy down. M.A.D. Better than the alternative.

    And, each push by The Empire weakens their hold on power.

    So, it will come one of those pushes when Washington crosses the red line. The funny part is, they won't recognize that. We are not ruled by all knowing Illuminati geniuses. People who have done those two (so far) launches on Syria........look at them.

    What happens after that mistake we'll see.
    There is a chance that a horror of it will stop the escalation and we'll have bright future.
    With leadership in West of 80's caliber I'd give that 80 % chance.
    With the current....ahm..."leadership"....I give that 20 % chance.

    And, well, just one way to prove/disprove that.

    Back to IDF.
    If The Imperial armed forces were organized as IDF, well, maybe we won't be facing all that.
    You don't see IDF being engaged anywhere except where the state of Israel defense is concerned.
    No bases, boots on the ground etc.
    People's army, not the Emperor's.

    Incapable of imperial pushes, quite capable of their core mission.

    Can IDF start waging war against, say, Hezbollah in South Lebanon because Netanyahu wants it?
    Can US military start waging war against, say, Iran because Trump wants it?

    In the former we will see public debate, Knesset etc in full swing.
    In the later, could you imagine the same in USA?

    So, let's keep talking about "weaknesses" of IDF.............
    Maybe they are weak in "muscle" but not in mind and heart. They know why and how. Ability to deliver could be debated.
    As for US military, don't know, feels other way around. Like they don't know why, sort of know how and quite happy to start delivering.
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  173. Wally says:
    @calion
    You do realise, don't you, moron, that the quote from the Times military correspondent was provided by none other than Kim Philby, legendary KGB agent, who writes in his memoirs about reporting crap like this as part of his cover so that no one would suspect him? In short, biting his tongue, he wrote this fake news (before the term was invented) to a) please his publishing Times masters in London b) please his other MI6 masters in London. All, so that they wouldn't tumble that he was a KGB agent... plus ca change...

    “KGB agent” … hilarious. LOL

    I do notice you utterly dodged the rest of my many compelling references while going full nutter on the one.

    We know why.

    We’re you born like that or is it an acquired disability?

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Kim Philby really was a Soviet agent. He ultimately defected to the Soviet Union to evade capture.
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  174. @prusmc
    For many years I was a great supporter of Israel and admired their IDF. Forgetting the moral and political sides of the equation, I now think the efficacy of their armed forces may be over-rated. Let's say they have a razor-sharp air force and a sound missile defense and offensive capability. The Navy is at most a Coast Guard (all that is needed) with a few missile launching submarines. The struggle for independence was the only protracted active hostility they were involved in and much of that was mopping up and anti-partisan action.
    The Sinai campaign of 1956 was short duration mobile warfare marked by effective combined operation. In 1967 surprise attack and great coordinated fire and maneuver carried the day. The Yom Kipper war was a bit close at first but again superior training material and morale proved decisive. Operation Cast Lead is a question mark. Initially, it appears that the IDF bested Hezbollah. At what cost? Such a price that the IDF will never tangle with the Lebanon Shites again. So if assault infantry needs to go against Hezbollah, who will provide it? I don't think it will be IDF. The IDFAF can deliver tremendous ordinance but will even MOAB's be sufficient to crumble the redoubts that have been constructed since the last go round.
    Consequently, the feasible action is to launch a mobile attach through Syria after a relatively long "shock and awe" softening up. Although Assad's forces have combat experience they are likely no match for the first line IDF units. The question then becomes will the logistical and morale challenge of extended high tempo combat find the IDF ground forces wanting? That seems to be what Col Lang is driving at .
    It appears that the Russian hardware and the Russian resolve that Saker talked about was much over rated in Syria. So that little help can be expected from Putin to resist an Israeli attack to occupy territory ( temporarily) in Syria and cut the Hezbollah supply line in order to avoid a costly cross border attack on a defensive salient.
    But if the feared Russian equipment and personnel proved impotent is it not possible that the highly respected IDF might also turn out to be less than invincible?

    What interest does Israel have in a land-invasion of Syria? Operation Cast Lead happened because of active border provocations from shooting missiles into Haifa to kidnapping Israeli soldiers. What casus belli is happening now?
    Otherwise not disagreeing with much of what you said up to that point, but at that point I don’t get it. Israel seems overstretched as it stands and my admittedly imprecise finger-in-the-wind radar doesn’t detect much stomach for protracted conflict which would be impossible to avoid in a land-conflict with Syria.

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  175. RobinG says:
    @L.K
    Agreed.

    One thing though, this article by Lang was written a few years ago, perhaps a couple of sentences were added to it referring to the present shootings at Gaza, but when, for instance, he writes:

    ...Hizbullah delivered a hint of the inherent limits in such a socio-military system in 2006 and now we are seeing whatever it is that we will see at Gaza.

     

    It was in reference to one of those Zionist attacks on Gaza, can't remember if the one in 2009 or 2014, bc that is when he wrote the piece.

    Well, thank you. That makes my case even stronger. (;

    Obviously, the Israelis didn’t take Col. Lang’s advice (from 4 or 9 years ago) and improve their NCO corps. They must like the erratic behavior just the way it is. Random killing and maiming…. just what the Zionists ordered.

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  176. @Wally
    "KGB agent" ... hilarious. LOL

    I do notice you utterly dodged the rest of my many compelling references while going full nutter on the one.

    We know why.

    We're you born like that or is it an acquired disability?

    www.codoh.com

    Kim Philby really was a Soviet agent. He ultimately defected to the Soviet Union to evade capture.

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    IOW, you have no proof that he wrote the piece.

    LOL

    And you dodged the numerous other references I gave. Typical.

    www.codoh.com
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  177. @Heros
    Proof? Like 6m bodies?

    I got most of it from Samisdat, Ernst Zundel's channel. For some reason youtube hasn't deleted him yet. Zundel is probably the closest thing to a hero I will ever have.
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    I figured mentioning Zündel would have you kvetching and flinging "Nazi" spittle.

    I remember now, but I can't find the URL. Zündel was reading sections verbatim out of the book "The 7th Million" by Tom Segev, an Israeli Jew. I guess he's an anti-semite nazi too.


    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805066608?_encoding=UTF8&isInIframe=0&n=283155&ref_=dp_proddesc_0&s=books&showDetailProductDesc=1#product-description_feature_div
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  178. peterAUS says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Mine doesn’t.
    I believe if things keep going as they are we will have a serious confrontation.
     
    My dollars go in the "we won't tangle" column. We'll see I could be wrong, I hope I'm not wrong. All I can do is obliquely come at why I take it to be unlikely but a lower order point would simply be that I don't see any scenario where Russia would see an all-out war with the US as serving its interests. Russia has interests and will defend them - what the Saker types don't absorb is that projecting that fact by itself - that Russia can and will defend its interests - is adequate to Russia's needs - its purpose is to prevent further conflict, and it works because it forces the US to exercise restraint.
    You would have to produce a case where Russia cannot defend its own interests without engaging the US in all-out war. Not only is that improbable but every Russian resource would be staked on preventing a defense-of-interest action from being escalable to all-out war because any given interest per se isn't worth it. Another angle on it that fails to come out in the Unz profile of articles is that Russia needs propaganda. IOW: Russia has many, many places where it is not well liked. We always hear the amplifier on all the ways the US is not liked but those exist side-by-side with a world teaming with anti-Russian agendas and sentiments ready to make common cause with immiserating Russia. I take comfort that I have no evidence that Putin lives in a always-reliving-WWII-Saker-fantasy-world and is a rational man. I think Putin is sensitive to the fact that Russia is best served when those sentiments stay safely tucked away in coffee shops, and he knows the way to call them out of coffee shops and into action is to let bullets fly. I think both sides know too that neither can win and the only predictable outcome is that at the end both are weakened and the dice are completely reshuffled. My armchair prediction is that if it came to that and we didn't apocalypse ourselves, it would be a set up for 7th century Persia and just like the 6th century, there'd be no predicting who or what will step in to fill the vacuum, but it won't be something anyone likes.

    Makes you think, a?
     
    Very much.

    Well, this thread is about perceived weaknesses of IDF land forces.
    There are plenty of articles/posts about the conflict between USA/West and Russia. It’s almost a meme here. Becoming boring.

    So, regarding

    I don’t see any scenario where Russia would see an all-out war with the US as serving its interests.

    Agree.

    If you rephrase that into:

    I don’t see any scenario where Russia’s siloviki would see an all-out war with the US as serving their interests.

    then the perception and expectations could change.

    The Empire also doesn’t want war with Russia. It wants Russia’s resources. As in Yeltsin era.
    The only group in Russian society that resents that (except hard core nationalists but they don’t appear to be having any power) are siloviki. Putin as one of them.
    So, The Empire in essence, simply wants a regime change in Kremlin. Peaceful if possible, “color revolution” if not. Anyway…..

    All top layers of Russian society wouldn’t mind that except siloviki (and nationalists but let’s leave them out). They just know should that happen they’ll get Milosevic treatment. Only idiot would allow it.

    So, it’s simple: if/when they feel they are going to lose power they won’t mind taking the enemy down. M.A.D. Better than the alternative.

    And, each push by The Empire weakens their hold on power.

    So, it will come one of those pushes when Washington crosses the red line. The funny part is, they won’t recognize that. We are not ruled by all knowing Illuminati geniuses. People who have done those two (so far) launches on Syria……..look at them.

    What happens after that mistake we’ll see.
    There is a chance that a horror of it will stop the escalation and we’ll have bright future.
    With leadership in West of 80′s caliber I’d give that 80 % chance.
    With the current….ahm…”leadership”….I give that 20 % chance.

    And, well, just one way to prove/disprove that.

    Back to IDF.
    If The Imperial armed forces were organized as IDF, well, maybe we won’t be facing all that.
    You don’t see IDF being engaged anywhere except where the state of Israel defense is concerned.
    No bases, boots on the ground etc.
    People’s army, not the Emperor’s.

    Incapable of imperial pushes, quite capable of their core mission.

    Can IDF start waging war against, say, Hezbollah in South Lebanon because Netanyahu wants it?
    Can US military start waging war against, say, Iran because Trump wants it?

    In the former we will see public debate, Knesset etc in full swing.
    In the later, could you imagine the same in USA?

    So, let’s keep talking about “weaknesses” of IDF………….
    Maybe they are weak in “muscle” but not in mind and heart. They know why and how. Ability to deliver could be debated.
    As for US military, don’t know, feels other way around. Like they don’t know why, sort of know how and quite happy to start delivering.

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    The theories on Russia are interesting. I suspect they live side-by-side in the same tensions of simple globalization versus local interests and that isn't inconsistent with what you are saying but it implies there's interests besides siloviki in "Russia for Russians".

    In the later, could you imagine the same in USA?
     
    That, there, is the right point. i.e.: all the fear mongering on this site about ghosts. That's not a ghost, it's real and it's scary as hell. Legitimately so.

    As for US military, don’t know, feels other way around. Like they don’t know why, sort of know how and quite happy to start delivering.
     
    This is an interesting statement. First-because on its face as far as I can tell, it's true. But it's interesting, or odd, because it is in some agreement with the sentiments of most in the crowd I keep company with, but in other statements you suggest you don't think highly of the NCO-backboned military model and I don't think anyone I know who is close to that would agree with that assessment.
    An alternative theory to account for the malaise is that the colonization of the military by culturally degenerative forces - the same colonization going on in corporate USA, has demoralized the NCOs and the demoralization both falls downward and spreads upward to officers with good hearts. Changes that have been imposed on the military in the last 20 years have been without much regard for the views of the NCOs, whose views arguably should count more than anyone else's where it comes to questions of change, and add to that constant deployments, nearly none of which make sense, and at end we agree on your last 5 lines even if we don't see eye-to-eye on NCOs.

    keep talking about “weaknesses” of IDF…
     
    Here's the weird thing about that. I don't know a lot. But what little I know shouldn't be talked about. If the IDF asked me I would volunteer some suggestions on what are probably real weaknesses. They exist. Mostly I don't see them being discussed. With affordable investments the IDF could buttress itself in a way that would be adequate.

    If there was a talking point I'd rather talk about US weakness - principally the one that we are overdeployed and we need to stop that, our survival may depend on it. That's not a secret to anyone except the ones in charge.

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  179. Excellent article. I have somewhat analogous experience, and will never forget the Israeli public affairs officer commenting on how ‘disciplined forces had arrived to calm the situation down’ while observing young soldiers gleefully plinking demonstrators with rubber bullets. I basically analyzed the Gaza situation in about the same light — very inexperienced soldiers at the tactical level — surprised by a new tactic — and thus an unfortunate tragedy occurred. This could probably have been avoided with vigourous application of teargas.

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    There are no "unfortunate tragedies", as you try to misrepresent here, due to "inexperienced soldiers", but this is clearly a strategy which comes from the top command...On the other hand, the ammunition used by the Israeli snipers shootting at Gaza peaceful demonstrators, as if it would be a video game for them, differ a bit ( sarc. ) from rubber bullets, as it is shown by these images and the injuries inflicted on people, most of them teenagers and children, but also women...These are forbidden amuniton...hollow point bullets who have left several dozens of amputated young Palestinians...others reached in their heads or chests have died...

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/987284404333670401

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/991785692341653504

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/990252805654044672

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/987363824461369344

    ttps://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/987293861033775104

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/991080343406022656

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/988185405165133824
    , @RobinG
    Don't worry [Israeli apologists], the IDF has managed to kill and maim with tear gas canisters.
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  180. @peterAUS
    Well, this thread is about perceived weaknesses of IDF land forces.
    There are plenty of articles/posts about the conflict between USA/West and Russia. It's almost a meme here. Becoming boring.

    So, regarding

    I don’t see any scenario where Russia would see an all-out war with the US as serving its interests.
     
    Agree.

    If you rephrase that into:

    I don’t see any scenario where Russia's siloviki would see an all-out war with the US as serving their interests.
     
    then the perception and expectations could change.

    The Empire also doesn't want war with Russia. It wants Russia's resources. As in Yeltsin era.
    The only group in Russian society that resents that (except hard core nationalists but they don't appear to be having any power) are siloviki. Putin as one of them.
    So, The Empire in essence, simply wants a regime change in Kremlin. Peaceful if possible, "color revolution" if not. Anyway.....

    All top layers of Russian society wouldn't mind that except siloviki (and nationalists but let's leave them out). They just know should that happen they'll get Milosevic treatment. Only idiot would allow it.

    So, it's simple: if/when they feel they are going to lose power they won't mind taking the enemy down. M.A.D. Better than the alternative.

    And, each push by The Empire weakens their hold on power.

    So, it will come one of those pushes when Washington crosses the red line. The funny part is, they won't recognize that. We are not ruled by all knowing Illuminati geniuses. People who have done those two (so far) launches on Syria........look at them.

    What happens after that mistake we'll see.
    There is a chance that a horror of it will stop the escalation and we'll have bright future.
    With leadership in West of 80's caliber I'd give that 80 % chance.
    With the current....ahm..."leadership"....I give that 20 % chance.

    And, well, just one way to prove/disprove that.

    Back to IDF.
    If The Imperial armed forces were organized as IDF, well, maybe we won't be facing all that.
    You don't see IDF being engaged anywhere except where the state of Israel defense is concerned.
    No bases, boots on the ground etc.
    People's army, not the Emperor's.

    Incapable of imperial pushes, quite capable of their core mission.

    Can IDF start waging war against, say, Hezbollah in South Lebanon because Netanyahu wants it?
    Can US military start waging war against, say, Iran because Trump wants it?

    In the former we will see public debate, Knesset etc in full swing.
    In the later, could you imagine the same in USA?

    So, let's keep talking about "weaknesses" of IDF.............
    Maybe they are weak in "muscle" but not in mind and heart. They know why and how. Ability to deliver could be debated.
    As for US military, don't know, feels other way around. Like they don't know why, sort of know how and quite happy to start delivering.

    The theories on Russia are interesting. I suspect they live side-by-side in the same tensions of simple globalization versus local interests and that isn’t inconsistent with what you are saying but it implies there’s interests besides siloviki in “Russia for Russians”.

    In the later, could you imagine the same in USA?

    That, there, is the right point. i.e.: all the fear mongering on this site about ghosts. That’s not a ghost, it’s real and it’s scary as hell. Legitimately so.

    As for US military, don’t know, feels other way around. Like they don’t know why, sort of know how and quite happy to start delivering.

    This is an interesting statement. First-because on its face as far as I can tell, it’s true. But it’s interesting, or odd, because it is in some agreement with the sentiments of most in the crowd I keep company with, but in other statements you suggest you don’t think highly of the NCO-backboned military model and I don’t think anyone I know who is close to that would agree with that assessment.
    An alternative theory to account for the malaise is that the colonization of the military by culturally degenerative forces – the same colonization going on in corporate USA, has demoralized the NCOs and the demoralization both falls downward and spreads upward to officers with good hearts. Changes that have been imposed on the military in the last 20 years have been without much regard for the views of the NCOs, whose views arguably should count more than anyone else’s where it comes to questions of change, and add to that constant deployments, nearly none of which make sense, and at end we agree on your last 5 lines even if we don’t see eye-to-eye on NCOs.

    keep talking about “weaknesses” of IDF…

    Here’s the weird thing about that. I don’t know a lot. But what little I know shouldn’t be talked about. If the IDF asked me I would volunteer some suggestions on what are probably real weaknesses. They exist. Mostly I don’t see them being discussed. With affordable investments the IDF could buttress itself in a way that would be adequate.

    If there was a talking point I’d rather talk about US weakness – principally the one that we are overdeployed and we need to stop that, our survival may depend on it. That’s not a secret to anyone except the ones in charge.

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    ..you suggest you don’t think highly of the NCO-backboned military model and I don’t think anyone I know who is close to that would agree with that assessment.
     
    Correction:
    I think that the current military model better suits the state of Israel and its citizens that the US model. NCO-backboned model is just a small part of it.

    This is now getting into bizarre.
    IDF is an armed force of a small ethnocentric state surrounded by enemies. Its purpose is to defend that state and its citizens. Based on all that we have that model. From a citizen (conscript/reservist) to a Prime Minister.
    Interesting, perhaps, would be comparing the current Israeli PM with the current US President/UK Prime Minister/French President/German PM. Military experience wise I mean....
    The same regarding members of parliaments in all those countries.
    Actually all citizens of those states.
    Funny, a?


    Now.....US military is an armed force of the most powerful nation on Earth. More importantly, it is an enforcer of the current paradigm.

    The missions couldn't be more different.
    Funny, a?

    So, based on that


    ....we are overdeployed and we need to stop that, our survival may depend on it....

     

    I am not so sure about that.
    A couple of comments in adjacent thread:
    http://www.unz.com/mhudson/creating-wealth-through-debt/
    address that. Hint: US dollar.
    Anyway.....
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  181. L.K says:
    @prusmc
    For many years I was a great supporter of Israel and admired their IDF. Forgetting the moral and political sides of the equation, I now think the efficacy of their armed forces may be over-rated. Let's say they have a razor-sharp air force and a sound missile defense and offensive capability. The Navy is at most a Coast Guard (all that is needed) with a few missile launching submarines. The struggle for independence was the only protracted active hostility they were involved in and much of that was mopping up and anti-partisan action.
    The Sinai campaign of 1956 was short duration mobile warfare marked by effective combined operation. In 1967 surprise attack and great coordinated fire and maneuver carried the day. The Yom Kipper war was a bit close at first but again superior training material and morale proved decisive. Operation Cast Lead is a question mark. Initially, it appears that the IDF bested Hezbollah. At what cost? Such a price that the IDF will never tangle with the Lebanon Shites again. So if assault infantry needs to go against Hezbollah, who will provide it? I don't think it will be IDF. The IDFAF can deliver tremendous ordinance but will even MOAB's be sufficient to crumble the redoubts that have been constructed since the last go round.
    Consequently, the feasible action is to launch a mobile attach through Syria after a relatively long "shock and awe" softening up. Although Assad's forces have combat experience they are likely no match for the first line IDF units. The question then becomes will the logistical and morale challenge of extended high tempo combat find the IDF ground forces wanting? That seems to be what Col Lang is driving at .
    It appears that the Russian hardware and the Russian resolve that Saker talked about was much over rated in Syria. So that little help can be expected from Putin to resist an Israeli attack to occupy territory ( temporarily) in Syria and cut the Hezbollah supply line in order to avoid a costly cross border attack on a defensive salient.
    But if the feared Russian equipment and personnel proved impotent is it not possible that the highly respected IDF might also turn out to be less than invincible?

    There are a lot of problems with what you wrote. I’ll focus only on Lebanon for now.

    Operation Cast Lead had NOTHING to do with Lebanon/Hezbollah. It was an iof attack on the Palestinian Gaza strip in 2009, not the second Lebanon war of 06.

    The overrated IOF were defeated by Hezbollah in Lebanon in 06, there is no question “mark”.
    Previously, in the first war, Hezbollah had defeated the israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon, forcing them to pull out in 2000.

    Hezbollah achieved its victory in 06, despite huge iof firepower and manpower superiority.

    Former British MI6 spook Alastair Crooke & investigative journalist M.Parry wrote a series that is one of the best accounts of that war…
    From their report, in a few words:

    But by any accounting – whether in rockets, armored vehicles or numbers of dead and wounded – Hezbollah’s fight against Israel must be accorded a decisive military and political victory. Even if it were otherwise (and it is clearly not), the full impact of Hezbollah’s war with Israel over a period of 34 days in July and August has caused a political earthquake in the region.

    …After-battle reports of Hezbollah commanders now confirm that IDF troops never fully secured the border area and Maroun al-Ras was never fully taken. Nor did Hezbollah ever feel the need to call up its reserves, as Israel had done. “The entire war was fought by one Hezbollah brigade of 3,000 troops, and no more,” one military expert in the region said. “The Nasr Brigade fought the entire war. Hezbollah never felt the need to reinforce it.”
    IDF commanders were also disturbed by the performance of their troops, noting a signal lack of discipline even among its best-trained regular soldiers. The reserves were worse, and IDF commanders hesitated to put them into battle. …

    In the battle for the town of Bint Jbeil for example, a company sized Hezbollah unit was able to defeat around 5,000 iof troops, including some of its best infantry and armor, such as the Golani brigade, the paratroopers brigade, etc.

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  182. L.K says:
    @prusmc
    For many years I was a great supporter of Israel and admired their IDF. Forgetting the moral and political sides of the equation, I now think the efficacy of their armed forces may be over-rated. Let's say they have a razor-sharp air force and a sound missile defense and offensive capability. The Navy is at most a Coast Guard (all that is needed) with a few missile launching submarines. The struggle for independence was the only protracted active hostility they were involved in and much of that was mopping up and anti-partisan action.
    The Sinai campaign of 1956 was short duration mobile warfare marked by effective combined operation. In 1967 surprise attack and great coordinated fire and maneuver carried the day. The Yom Kipper war was a bit close at first but again superior training material and morale proved decisive. Operation Cast Lead is a question mark. Initially, it appears that the IDF bested Hezbollah. At what cost? Such a price that the IDF will never tangle with the Lebanon Shites again. So if assault infantry needs to go against Hezbollah, who will provide it? I don't think it will be IDF. The IDFAF can deliver tremendous ordinance but will even MOAB's be sufficient to crumble the redoubts that have been constructed since the last go round.
    Consequently, the feasible action is to launch a mobile attach through Syria after a relatively long "shock and awe" softening up. Although Assad's forces have combat experience they are likely no match for the first line IDF units. The question then becomes will the logistical and morale challenge of extended high tempo combat find the IDF ground forces wanting? That seems to be what Col Lang is driving at .
    It appears that the Russian hardware and the Russian resolve that Saker talked about was much over rated in Syria. So that little help can be expected from Putin to resist an Israeli attack to occupy territory ( temporarily) in Syria and cut the Hezbollah supply line in order to avoid a costly cross border attack on a defensive salient.
    But if the feared Russian equipment and personnel proved impotent is it not possible that the highly respected IDF might also turn out to be less than invincible?

    In the study “Back to Basics”, US Lieutenant Colonel Scott C. Farquhar, wrote:

    American professional military personnel are well-acquainted with “the arrogant show of strength” that was Task Force Smith in Korea in the summer of 1950 and of its fate. A similar result occurred when the vaunted IDF attacked into Lebanon in 2006 against the guerrilla army of Hezbollah: a firstworld army was fought to a standstill by a tough and determined enemy despite overwhelming air power. The IDF pitted ill-trained soldiers and ill-educated officers, who attempted to carry out vague orders and unfamiliar tasks, against a small group of men with good weapons and a simple mission.

    He examines the IOF supposed improvements after the 2006 defeat and its better performance against the Palestinians trapped in Gaza during operation Cast Lead, in late December 2008-January 2009, but cautions that Hamas was much weaker than Hezbollah:

    Hezbollah presented the Israelis with a well trained, well led and suitably equipped force with sufficient space to defend in depth. Hamas was inadequately trained and poorly led with little space to trade for producing Israeli casualties…. Conversely, as in the case of Hamas, an underequipped, ill trained and poorly commanded opponent can be an annoyance—but it will not stand long against significant national power. Hamas presented the Israelis with a poor imitation of Hezbollah

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  183. L.K says:

    US Lieutenant Colonel Scott C. Farquhar, cautiously suggested that the IOF had improved after its defeat in 06 at the hands of Hezbollah, but the yardstick used to measure it was a poorly trained, equipped and led Hamas, in 2009.
    Concerning the IOF last major attack on Gaza in 2014, against an improved version of Hamas, how did the iof do? Former Zionist terrorist & IOF veteran, Uri Avnery, wrote:
    AFTER 29 DAYS of fighting (until now), who has won?

    It is, of course, much too early to draw final conclusions. The ceasefire has blown up. It will take months and years to sum up all the consequences. But Israeli popular wisdom has already drawn its own conclusions: it is a draw.[...]
    WHEN A guerrilla organization with at most 10,000 fighters achieves a draw with one of the mightiest armies in the world, equipped with the most ultra-modern weapons, that is by itself a kind of victory.
    Hamas has not only shown a lot of courage during the fighting, but also surprising ingenuity in preparing for this campaign. It is still standing upright.

    The Israeli army, on the other hand, has shown very little imagination. It was quite unprepared for the maze of tunnels.
    … Indeed, as a commentator dared to write, the army has become a heavy, cumbersome, conservative machine. It followed its established routine…Its doctrine was, in essence, to pound the civilian population into submission, causing as much killing and destruction as possible, so as to deter the “resistance” as much and as long as possible. In Israel, the terrible pictures of death and destruction did not evoke compassion. On the contrary. People were proud of it
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  184. L.K says:

    Former Zionist terrorist & IOF veteran, Uri Avnery, wrote in despair:

    IT IS no longer anything new to point out that the occupation is destroying the Israeli army.

    An army cannot fulfill its mission to defend the state against potential enemies when it has been engaged for decades as a colonial police force. One can give attractive names to a death-squad – Team Mango or Unit Peach – but it remains what it is: an instrument of brutal killing and oppression.

    An officer who today plans the Mafia-style killing of a “senior militant” by an undercover action in the Kasbah of Nablus, will not be able tomorrow to lead a tank battalion against a sophisticated enemy. An army that shoots stone-throwers, chases children in the alleys of Balata refugee camp or drops a one-ton bomb on a residential building cannot turn overnight into an efficient force on a modern battlefield in a war of last resort.

    To illustrate with visuals what Avnery is saying…
    An army that regularly engages in this type of stuff( and much worse);

    Does not do well when facing these dudes;

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  185. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    If you want that rhetorical question, you have to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state- so come down one way or another and stick with it.
     
    I'll acknowledge Israel's "right to exist as a jewish state" when the right of my nation (ethnically English/British) to exist as such has been accepted, and not before. Particularly having regard to the disproportionate role jewish people and groups have played and continue to play in suppressing that right and any and all advocacy of it.

    Though in reality the issue causing problems is almost never whether Israel exists, but rather in what borders, and how much more land it is to be allowed to steal by the ongoing process of expropriation and settler colonialism.

    If your country were to legislate to make citizenship dependent on being English/British as you stipulate what makes you think that it would cease to be recognised as a sovereign state by the UN or any country that mattered to it? (Mind you Brexit might be a precondition to a European court not interfering).

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    My nation is in the process of being immigrated out of existence, and steps to protect its continued existence are forbidden as "racist".
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  186. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete
    I wonder what Lang would have to say about these remarks.

    [The claim that the killings in Gaza were accidental] directly contradicts IDF’s official statement of 31st March, in which the army claimed that “nothing was carried out uncontrolled, everything was accurate and measured, and we know where every bullet landed.” The IDF later deleted the statement, presumably because of the legal culpability it carries, but a screen capture was taken in time.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/04/claims-casualties-accidental/
     

    I wonder, too.

    After mixing it up a bit with readers under his first two columns here at Unz Review, Mr. Lang has apparently retreated from Comment Ridge.

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    After mixing it up a bit with readers under his first two columns here at Unz Review, Mr. Lang has apparently retreated from Comment Ridge.
     
    Behavior that's typical of the Izzy first blowhards as well as the ignorant juvenile trolls.

    What a pathetic pack of jokers,

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  187. @Andrew E. Mathis
    I wouldn't say that the Nazis "support[ed] the Zionist project." I'd say that, for a minority of the period of time during which they held power, the Nazis were willing to allow a tiny minority of German and Austrian Jews to emigrate to Palestine, provided they were willing to surrender most of their assets. If you support a nationalist project, you don't general render paupers the people whose nationalist project you are supporting.

    I assume your knowledge about Ha'avara is as shallow as that of most people. For instance, I doubt you're aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement, since they weren't looking to have anyone except for farmers emigrate to Palestine, and most German Jews were in professions.

    I wouldn’t say that the Nazis “support[ed] the Zionist project.”

    Of course you wouldn’t; it doesn’t fit your agenda.

    Of course you don’t know a damned thing about Nazi-Zionist cooperation, and probably not much about the history of Zionism in general.

    You probably wouldn’t say that moneyed Zionists supported the Nazi movement, either, but they did. A prominent Zionist, Olaf Aschberg was one of them.

    I assume your knowledge about Ha’avara is as shallow as that of most people.

    And I’ll assume that you’re an ignoramus since it’s so obvious.

    I doubt you’re aware that the majority of the Zionist movement was lukewarm at best about the agreement,

    I doubt that you’re aware that generalizations like that are specious at best. Zionism was divided into many factions, and still is.

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  188. L.K says:

    To further disabuse yourselves from Zionist propaganda, concerning israeli Special Forces in Lebanon 2006, folks might want to check out the article:
    “Humbling of the supertroops shatters Israeli army morale”, in the British newspaper The Times, August 2006. Hardly a pro-Hezbollah source… it concerns iof S.F in the battle over a small village near the border, defended by a small Hezbollah platoon.

    Even as Halutz was declaring victory, 12 Israeli soldiers from the Maglan reconnaissance unit were already running into an ambush just over the border inside Lebanon near the village of Maroun a-Ras.

    “We didn’t know what hit us,” said one of the soldiers, who asked to be named only as Gad. “In seconds we had two dead.”
    With several others wounded and retreating under heavy fire the Maglans, one of the finest units in the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF), were astonished by the firepower and perseverance of Hezbollah. …
    As daylight broke the Maglans found themselves under fire from all sides by Hezbollah forces who knew every inch of the terrain and exploited their knowledge to the full.
    The commander of the IDF’s northern sector, Lieutenant-General Udi Adam, could barely believe that some of his best soldiers had been so swiftly trapped; neither could the chief of staff.

    “What’s wrong with the Maglans?” Halutz demanded to know. “They are surrounded,” Adam replied quietly. “I must send in more forces.”

    As the reinforcements of the Egoz brigade prepared to enter Maroun a-Ras and rescue their comrades, however, several were mown down in a second ambush. Hours of battle ensued before the Maglan and Egoz platoons were able to drag their dead and wounded back to Israel. …
    As the war unfolded his(Halutz) optimism was brought crashing down to earth — and with it the invincible reputation of the Israeli armed forces.

    In five weeks, their critics charge, they displayed tactical incompetence and strategic short-sightedness. Their much-vaunted intelligence was found wanting. [...]

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    LK,

    Thanks for posting those articles and excerpts.

    Much appreciated.

    Frankie P
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  189. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Is this what is referred to as "whataboutery"?

    No. You said “Orwellian” and referred to a perversion of the language so you raise questions of actual usage. And you are wrong in singling out a few countries as if their usage was perverted and thus evidence of something malign.

    Of course no question arises if you correctly assume that when a country first considers what it should do about having armed forces it does not have conquest in mind but the need to deter aggression and join in defensive arrangements.

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    When armed forces are almost exclusively used in offensive operations yet are constantly referred to as defence forces then that is a wilful perversion of the language and is thus malign, as you well know.
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  190. @Morongobill
    You accused the Colonel of a war crime. I called you on it. Basically your argument is that because he served in the army in Vietnam, where war crimes were committed by other service members, even if he knew nothing, he is just as guilty.

    Total b.s. is this veteran's opinion.

    My suggestion is if you really believe this why not go down sometime to any watering hole where vets hang out and share your beliefs. You know freedom of speech.

    Good luck with that.

    My suggestion is if you really believe this why not go down sometime to any watering hole where vets hang out and share your beliefs. You know freedom of speech.

    Another internet tough guy. Give it a rest.

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    No wanna be tough guy. Just pointing out that it is easy to trash somebody from a keyboard, but a little riskier to their face. Take my comment as a free life lesson.
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  191. @Andrew E. Mathis
    If you could offer some kind of proof for even 10% of your post, I'd be impressed.

    If you could offer some kind of proof for even 10% of your post, I’d be impressed.

    If you ever learned some of that history, no doubt you’d be depressed.

    Try to get up to speed, will ya? You happen to be at UR, where people actually have a clue.

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  192. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    As someone who believes that people enjoy a right to be a people, and that that is a human and individual right, I would volunteer that a "Jewish state" is whatever state people who accept one another as Jews collaborate to create, inside a border.

    So, what’s a “Jew”?

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  193. WJW says:

    This doesn’t make any sense and evades the original question. Nobody says the State of Russia has the right to exist as a Russian state–because that is empty and tautological–or that the State of Syria has the right to exist as an Alawite or Baathist state, because this sounds a little scary. But people do regularly make the claim that the State of Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state. This is supposed to be neither an empty nor an ominously genocidal or totalitarian proposition. But I have to admit it kind of gives me the creeps. Especially because nobody can say what the phrase concretely means. “Jewish” is not an empty or yet-to-be-defined term but has at least two meanings already in use.

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  194. WJW says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    You can split hairs on the question or face the point.
    If there's cheers for Israel's right to have a wall because, "want wall", but then there's demands for Israel to tear down the wall because "apartheid", there's no principle.
    I suppose if you can't understand that, that says enough and what follows doesn't matter but what follows is: you will never see the political will manifest to support your own nationalistic aspirations. There's millions of people out there who already don't care, or are opposed. Their radar will blip on the "want wall, apartheid" dissonance and they won't be shifting their political center of gravity anytime soon, instead it will anchor deeper exactly where it is.

    Dude I am just trying to figure out what “Jewish” means in the oft-quoted phrase “Jewish state.”

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    194 WJW > Dude I am just trying to figure out what “Jewish” means in the oft-quoted phrase “Jewish state.”



    we'll work on that, the day after you can tell me the "official" definition of "a Cherokee"
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  195. WJW says:
    @j
    I don't know how to take Lang's pessimism about the IDF ground forces fighting capability. The IDF did fight against the Syrian army when suffering a surprise attack, and it won in two-three days. It fought against the British-led Jordanian army, and won. It also fought against the Hizballah and occupied South Lebanese territory (It was not easy because the Hizballah - the Party of God - had Russian RPGs and strong bunkers, but in one or two weeks they were vanquished). One wonders about the strength of Lang's arguments.

    The latest war the Iranians fought was against Saddam Hussein, and lasted seven years. How effective were Saddam's forces? Not much, I gather, since it was cakewalk for the American expeditionary forces to take Baghdad.

    The latest confrontation was with Hamas of Gaza. They bused thousands of juveniles to the frontier and tried to pass the cattle fence of the border and invade in mass Israel. The IDF positioned seven sharpshooters on an embankment. The outcome: the fanatical would-be martyrs retired defeated. Not one even reached the fence. Our losses: none.

    Next time we shall send AI driven robots.

    You should take it as far more informed than your own, but you can and may take it anyway you like. I don’t particularly care.

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  196. peterAUS says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    The theories on Russia are interesting. I suspect they live side-by-side in the same tensions of simple globalization versus local interests and that isn't inconsistent with what you are saying but it implies there's interests besides siloviki in "Russia for Russians".

    In the later, could you imagine the same in USA?
     
    That, there, is the right point. i.e.: all the fear mongering on this site about ghosts. That's not a ghost, it's real and it's scary as hell. Legitimately so.

    As for US military, don’t know, feels other way around. Like they don’t know why, sort of know how and quite happy to start delivering.
     
    This is an interesting statement. First-because on its face as far as I can tell, it's true. But it's interesting, or odd, because it is in some agreement with the sentiments of most in the crowd I keep company with, but in other statements you suggest you don't think highly of the NCO-backboned military model and I don't think anyone I know who is close to that would agree with that assessment.
    An alternative theory to account for the malaise is that the colonization of the military by culturally degenerative forces - the same colonization going on in corporate USA, has demoralized the NCOs and the demoralization both falls downward and spreads upward to officers with good hearts. Changes that have been imposed on the military in the last 20 years have been without much regard for the views of the NCOs, whose views arguably should count more than anyone else's where it comes to questions of change, and add to that constant deployments, nearly none of which make sense, and at end we agree on your last 5 lines even if we don't see eye-to-eye on NCOs.

    keep talking about “weaknesses” of IDF…
     
    Here's the weird thing about that. I don't know a lot. But what little I know shouldn't be talked about. If the IDF asked me I would volunteer some suggestions on what are probably real weaknesses. They exist. Mostly I don't see them being discussed. With affordable investments the IDF could buttress itself in a way that would be adequate.

    If there was a talking point I'd rather talk about US weakness - principally the one that we are overdeployed and we need to stop that, our survival may depend on it. That's not a secret to anyone except the ones in charge.

    ..you suggest you don’t think highly of the NCO-backboned military model and I don’t think anyone I know who is close to that would agree with that assessment.

    Correction:
    I think that the current military model better suits the state of Israel and its citizens that the US model. NCO-backboned model is just a small part of it.

    This is now getting into bizarre.
    IDF is an armed force of a small ethnocentric state surrounded by enemies. Its purpose is to defend that state and its citizens. Based on all that we have that model. From a citizen (conscript/reservist) to a Prime Minister.
    Interesting, perhaps, would be comparing the current Israeli PM with the current US President/UK Prime Minister/French President/German PM. Military experience wise I mean….
    The same regarding members of parliaments in all those countries.
    Actually all citizens of those states.
    Funny, a?

    Now…..US military is an armed force of the most powerful nation on Earth. More importantly, it is an enforcer of the current paradigm.

    The missions couldn’t be more different.
    Funny, a?

    So, based on that

    ….we are overdeployed and we need to stop that, our survival may depend on it….

    I am not so sure about that.
    A couple of comments in adjacent thread:

    http://www.unz.com/mhudson/creating-wealth-through-debt/

    address that. Hint: US dollar.
    Anyway…..

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    "IDF is an armed force of a small ethnocentric state surrounded by enemies. Its purpose is to defend that state and its citizens."

    Yet it constantly attacks neighbouring nations. Calling an action defensive doesn't make it so.
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  197. Randal says:
    @Anon
    If your country were to legislate to make citizenship dependent on being English/British as you stipulate what makes you think that it would cease to be recognised as a sovereign state by the UN or any country that mattered to it? (Mind you Brexit might be a precondition to a European court not interfering).

    My nation is in the process of being immigrated out of existence, and steps to protect its continued existence are forbidden as “racist”.

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  198. @Anon
    No. You said "Orwellian" and referred to a perversion of the language so you raise questions of actual usage. And you are wrong in singling out a few countries as if their usage was perverted and thus evidence of something malign.

    Of course no question arises if you correctly assume that when a country first considers what it should do about having armed forces it does not have conquest in mind but the need to deter aggression and join in defensive arrangements.

    When armed forces are almost exclusively used in offensive operations yet are constantly referred to as defence forces then that is a wilful perversion of the language and is thus malign, as you well know.

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    If you are not playing fast and loose with language or perverting it, you are being loose and careĺess.

    Your "referred to" is tendentious when the common use of "Defense" is just as part of the often longstanding corporate name.

    Compare "it is a perversion of language to refer to him as His Eminence Cardinal Borgia/address him as Your Eminence" or objecting to someone identifying a group of people as "hereditary nobility/aristocracy" or an institution as "the XYZ Correctional Institute".
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  199. @Morongobill
    You accused the Colonel of a war crime. I called you on it. Basically your argument is that because he served in the army in Vietnam, where war crimes were committed by other service members, even if he knew nothing, he is just as guilty.

    Total b.s. is this veteran's opinion.

    My suggestion is if you really believe this why not go down sometime to any watering hole where vets hang out and share your beliefs. You know freedom of speech.

    Good luck with that.

    Wasn’t the “just following orders” defence squashed at Nuremberg? Wasn’t the war in Vietnam (called the American War by Vietnamese) a war of aggression based on lies?

    War crimes are committed by war criminals, obviously. Were you and your chums at the VFW to face up to this fact and speak out you might even be useful in preventing a fresh generation of Americans from committing similar crimes and possibly erase some of the stain on yourselves.

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    said in ignorance:

    "Wasn’t the “just following orders” defence squashed at Nuremberg?"

    No it wasn't.
    Nuremberg was nothing less than Show Trials, a la communism's best.

    - The Soviet communists presented a detailed study of steam chambers which was accepted a Nuremberg, no study for the now alleged pesticide using 'gas chambers' was ever presented at Nuremberg, or any other court
    - Documents from the U.S. National Archives reveal that the U.S. government helped cover up the Soviet 1940 massacre on some 20,000 Poles at Katyn and other places — not just during the war, but even afterwards. The Katyn Massacre by the Soviets was accepted by the Allies at Nuremberg as a German crime.
    - statements by 'eyewitnesses' and 'survivors' defy laws of science' and are immensely contradictory
    - it was admitted by those participating in the Nuremberg show trials that Germans were routinely tortured to get 'confessions'
    - the absurd 'gas chambers' were given 'judicial notice' (accepted as fact in post war trials and could not be argued against) even though no forensic study for these 'gas chambers' was ever presented, so the falsely accused had little chance for defense, how convenient it all was
    - the so called 'most documented event in world history' in fact has no documents which support the ridiculous '6M & gas chambers', no Hitler order, no orders from anyone to confirm the laughable claims

    Article 21 of Charter of the International Military Tribunal:
    The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.
    IOW, no proof was necessary.
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp

    English translations of Russian translations of Polish copies of an alleged German original which cannot be found. That is typical of Nuremberg 'documents'.

    get an education here:
    'Nuremberg - Fair Trial or Show Trial ?
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11053

    www.codoh.com
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  200. @peterAUS

    ..you suggest you don’t think highly of the NCO-backboned military model and I don’t think anyone I know who is close to that would agree with that assessment.
     
    Correction:
    I think that the current military model better suits the state of Israel and its citizens that the US model. NCO-backboned model is just a small part of it.

    This is now getting into bizarre.
    IDF is an armed force of a small ethnocentric state surrounded by enemies. Its purpose is to defend that state and its citizens. Based on all that we have that model. From a citizen (conscript/reservist) to a Prime Minister.
    Interesting, perhaps, would be comparing the current Israeli PM with the current US President/UK Prime Minister/French President/German PM. Military experience wise I mean....
    The same regarding members of parliaments in all those countries.
    Actually all citizens of those states.
    Funny, a?


    Now.....US military is an armed force of the most powerful nation on Earth. More importantly, it is an enforcer of the current paradigm.

    The missions couldn't be more different.
    Funny, a?

    So, based on that


    ....we are overdeployed and we need to stop that, our survival may depend on it....

     

    I am not so sure about that.
    A couple of comments in adjacent thread:
    http://www.unz.com/mhudson/creating-wealth-through-debt/
    address that. Hint: US dollar.
    Anyway.....

    “IDF is an armed force of a small ethnocentric state surrounded by enemies. Its purpose is to defend that state and its citizens.”

    Yet it constantly attacks neighbouring nations. Calling an action defensive doesn’t make it so.

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  201. Heros says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Zündel, eh? You’ll want to read this:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/zundel-resurfaces.html

    I figured mentioning Zündel would have you kvetching and flinging “Nazi” spittle.

    I remember now, but I can’t find the URL. Zündel was reading sections verbatim out of the book “The 7th Million” by Tom Segev, an Israeli Jew. I guess he’s an anti-semite nazi too.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805066608?_encoding=UTF8&isInIframe=0&n=283155&ref_=dp_proddesc_0&s=books&showDetailProductDesc=1#product-description_feature_div

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    Here is a jewish historian's presentation on Zionism, by the name of Robert Sepher. At 31 minutes he states that the concentration camps created in coordination with the Zionists were not only deliberately made to make jews migrate to Palestine, he also says that these camps were used to separate useful jews from bad jews, and that the good jews were sent to sabatean indocrination centers where they were taught frankism. He basically says that the Zionists made sure that all the jews escaping "Nazi" Germany were Sabbateans.

    Earlier he stated that in Jerusalem in 1894 Herzl tried to convince the Kaiser to invade Turkey to get Israel for the Zionists. When the Kaiser refused, the Zionists turned to England to start WWI.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=31m&v=mOO8e9TjLw4

    He says: "The idea of Israel was never to be a shelter for religous jews"

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  202. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Kim Philby really was a Soviet agent. He ultimately defected to the Soviet Union to evade capture.

    IOW, you have no proof that he wrote the piece.

    LOL

    And you dodged the numerous other references I gave. Typical.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    I didn’t allege he wrote the piece. I was merely pointing out he was a Russian spy.
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  203. Frankie P says:
    @L.K
    To further disabuse yourselves from Zionist propaganda, concerning israeli Special Forces in Lebanon 2006, folks might want to check out the article:
    “Humbling of the supertroops shatters Israeli army morale”, in the British newspaper The Times, August 2006. Hardly a pro-Hezbollah source… it concerns iof S.F in the battle over a small village near the border, defended by a small Hezbollah platoon.

    Even as Halutz was declaring victory, 12 Israeli soldiers from the Maglan reconnaissance unit were already running into an ambush just over the border inside Lebanon near the village of Maroun a-Ras.

    “We didn’t know what hit us,” said one of the soldiers, who asked to be named only as Gad. “In seconds we had two dead.”
    With several others wounded and retreating under heavy fire the Maglans, one of the finest units in the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF), were astonished by the firepower and perseverance of Hezbollah. …
    As daylight broke the Maglans found themselves under fire from all sides by Hezbollah forces who knew every inch of the terrain and exploited their knowledge to the full.
    The commander of the IDF’s northern sector, Lieutenant-General Udi Adam, could barely believe that some of his best soldiers had been so swiftly trapped; neither could the chief of staff.

    “What’s wrong with the Maglans?” Halutz demanded to know. “They are surrounded,” Adam replied quietly. “I must send in more forces.”

    As the reinforcements of the Egoz brigade prepared to enter Maroun a-Ras and rescue their comrades, however, several were mown down in a second ambush. Hours of battle ensued before the Maglan and Egoz platoons were able to drag their dead and wounded back to Israel. …
    As the war unfolded his(Halutz) optimism was brought crashing down to earth — and with it the invincible reputation of the Israeli armed forces.

    In five weeks, their critics charge, they displayed tactical incompetence and strategic short-sightedness. Their much-vaunted intelligence was found wanting. [...]
     

    LK,

    Thanks for posting those articles and excerpts.

    Much appreciated.

    Frankie P

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  204. Ron T says:

    You forgot the most important traits of the Zio army: it is arrogant, sadistic and coward above all, as it prefers to shoot people who can’t shoot back and takes joy in pure sadism. This is not a coincidence. It is the result of people who are educated from birth that they are chosen people and who live in a Jewish supremacist state. In order to affirm this superiority, they need a victim, and the Palestinians are the perfect victims since they have no army or meaningful defense to fight back. It is cowardly above all, as demonstrated by the massacre of unarmed demonstrators. If a heavily armed soldier, or a nuclear armed state is afraid of bare handed ghettoized civilians as to shoot them dead like target practice, imagine their fear when someone actually shoots back with similar force! Because of their belief in their superiority and the value of Jewish life, they also prefer to have someone else, such as its vassal state the United States, do the fighting and dying for it.

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  205. I have a friend who is a retired British Army officer, who – after we visited Palestine together – made very similar comments about the state of the Israel Army.
    Compared to the Syria-battle-hardened Hezbollah and Iranian troops, the Israel Army only has experience of gunning down unarmed defenceless civilians.
    In a real contest, the Israel Army will be whipped, as they were by Hezbollah in 2006.
    Currently, Netanyahu is pushing Israel towards the brink of war with Iran.
    For his sake and – far more importantly – for all the young Israel Army personnel who will (not may) end up dying in any real conflict with Iran, the western powers should be constraining Israel.
    Whether saner counsel will prevail upon the Israel Zionists will have to be seen.

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  206. @anonymous
    I wonder, too.

    After mixing it up a bit with readers under his first two columns here at Unz Review, Mr. Lang has apparently retreated from Comment Ridge.

    After mixing it up a bit with readers under his first two columns here at Unz Review, Mr. Lang has apparently retreated from Comment Ridge.

    Behavior that’s typical of the Izzy first blowhards as well as the ignorant juvenile trolls.

    What a pathetic pack of jokers,

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    Lang also posted this UNZ article on his own blog

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/httpwwwunzcomplangisraels-juvenile-ground-army.html#disqus_thread

    Yes, he does appear to hiding from the Unz comment section. This is not at all surprising, it is the reason there are all these holocaust laws on the books in every country in the west. Zionists, both jewish and shabbez, will never allow debate on a level playing field. They always cheat so that if they start losing an argument they can have their opponent murdered (in internet terms, labeled a troll and banned).

    I found this comment of his from his own blog interesting:


    "Yes. As a platoon leader I had an E-7 platoon sergeant who had three silver stars from Korea and a couple of plastic ribs. He was a godsend. My squad leaders were three Black E-7s and an E-7 White Mountain Apache. God bless them all."
     
    Apparently Lang was an officer throughout the Vietnam War of Yankee Aggression. His wiki states:

    "During the Vietnam War, he served in the Special Forces and Military Intelligence"
     
    He was the equivalent of an intelligence officer for the SS of the US army. The conclusion I would make is that he had to have been involved in Operation Phoenix, the equivalent to Einsatzgruppen:

    "The Phoenix Program was a program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, US Army intelligence collection units from the U.S. Military Assistance Command...

    The program was designed to identify and destroy the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong) via infiltration, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination...

    The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill or capture suspected NLF members, as well as civilians who were thought to have information on NLF activities. Many of these people were taken to interrogation centers and were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on NLF activities in the area. The information extracted at the centers was given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions. The program's effectiveness was measured in the number of Viet Cong members who were "neutralized", a euphemism meaning imprisoned, persuaded to defect, or killed.

    The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had "neutralized" 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom between 26,000 and 41,000 were killed"
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program
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  207. @yuri justo
    Excellent article. I have somewhat analogous experience, and will never forget the Israeli public affairs officer commenting on how 'disciplined forces had arrived to calm the situation down' while observing young soldiers gleefully plinking demonstrators with rubber bullets. I basically analyzed the Gaza situation in about the same light -- very inexperienced soldiers at the tactical level -- surprised by a new tactic -- and thus an unfortunate tragedy occurred. This could probably have been avoided with vigourous application of teargas.

    There are no “unfortunate tragedies”, as you try to misrepresent here, due to “inexperienced soldiers”, but this is clearly a strategy which comes from the top command…On the other hand, the ammunition used by the Israeli snipers shootting at Gaza peaceful demonstrators, as if it would be a video game for them, differ a bit ( sarc. ) from rubber bullets, as it is shown by these images and the injuries inflicted on people, most of them teenagers and children, but also women…These are forbidden amuniton…hollow point bullets who have left several dozens of amputated young Palestinians…others reached in their heads or chests have died…

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    Thank you for making this point so strongly. "yuri justo" referring to willful murder as “unfortunate tragedies” is grimly transparent, Israeli apologist, crocodile tears.
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  208. Heros says:
    @jacques sheete

    After mixing it up a bit with readers under his first two columns here at Unz Review, Mr. Lang has apparently retreated from Comment Ridge.
     
    Behavior that's typical of the Izzy first blowhards as well as the ignorant juvenile trolls.

    What a pathetic pack of jokers,

    Lang also posted this UNZ article on his own blog

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/httpwwwunzcomplangisraels-juvenile-ground-army.html#disqus_thread

    Yes, he does appear to hiding from the Unz comment section. This is not at all surprising, it is the reason there are all these holocaust laws on the books in every country in the west. Zionists, both jewish and shabbez, will never allow debate on a level playing field. They always cheat so that if they start losing an argument they can have their opponent murdered (in internet terms, labeled a troll and banned).

    I found this comment of his from his own blog interesting:

    “Yes. As a platoon leader I had an E-7 platoon sergeant who had three silver stars from Korea and a couple of plastic ribs. He was a godsend. My squad leaders were three Black E-7s and an E-7 White Mountain Apache. God bless them all.”

    Apparently Lang was an officer throughout the Vietnam War of Yankee Aggression. His wiki states:

    “During the Vietnam War, he served in the Special Forces and Military Intelligence”

    He was the equivalent of an intelligence officer for the SS of the US army. The conclusion I would make is that he had to have been involved in Operation Phoenix, the equivalent to Einsatzgruppen:

    “The Phoenix Program was a program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, US Army intelligence collection units from the U.S. Military Assistance Command…

    The program was designed to identify and destroy the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong) via infiltration, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination

    The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill or capture suspected NLF members, as well as civilians who were thought to have information on NLF activities. Many of these people were taken to interrogation centers and were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on NLF activities in the area. The information extracted at the centers was given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions. The program’s effectiveness was measured in the number of Viet Cong members who were “neutralized”, a euphemism meaning imprisoned, persuaded to defect, or killed.

    The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had “neutralized” 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom between 26,000 and 41,000 were killed”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

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    My sons school stop including the holohoax in the curriculum. They said a youtube video convinced them it was all a lie. We are making peogress , lads!!$$$$
    , @WJW
    Pat Lang is not a Zionist. The reason why he is not engaging in the comment section this time round, I would bet, is that he's learned that many commentators on this site are more interested in launching cheap ad hominem attacks on his military-intelligence analysis than in engaging his arguments on the merits. Is Pat Lang--career US military officer and intelligence specialist--the perfect moral agent? No. Are his politics likely not pure enough for many of those on this site? Yes. But how does either of these "shortcomings" of Lang (who none of us probably personally know) obviously disprove the accuracy of his information and analysis? They do not. But many people--Zionists and anti-Zionists alike-- prefer to read empty rhetorical virtue signaling that confirms their own righteousness than become better informed about a topic directly pertinent to their own political aims. This is irrational, and common as air.
    , @Heros
    John Wear has a recent article where he discusses how the Einsatzgruppen were framed by modified reports faked by the same soviets who framed Germany at Nuremburg for the Katyn Forest massacres of the Polish goyim elites.

    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/05/05/the-biggest-murder-trial-in-history-did-the-american-run-einsatzgruppen-trial-use-forged-documents-to-convict-germans-of-genocide/

    The Nuremburg trials were a typical yid sham where they projected their crimes of ethnic cleansing of Germans back onto the Germany itself. I love the quote from the jew prosecutor Frencz:

    "The judge handed down worse sentences than I would have imposed. So he had made up his mind, early on, that he wasn’t going to be deceived. For him the question was how to sentence them. He was a devout Catholic, and he went into a monastery for a week before sentencing. He convicted all 22 people, and of these he sentenced 13 to death by hanging."
     
    I also like how Ferencz claims he entered the army as a private after graduating from Harvard Law School. Riiiight.

    Lang's Operation Pheonix embodied everything that the Germans were accused of doing with their Einsatzgruppen, only far worse. The Germans were murdered for crimes they never committed and blamed for crimes that the allies did commit. The war criminal Yankees have learned their lessons from their talmudic masters very well.
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  209. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros
    Lang also posted this UNZ article on his own blog

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/httpwwwunzcomplangisraels-juvenile-ground-army.html#disqus_thread

    Yes, he does appear to hiding from the Unz comment section. This is not at all surprising, it is the reason there are all these holocaust laws on the books in every country in the west. Zionists, both jewish and shabbez, will never allow debate on a level playing field. They always cheat so that if they start losing an argument they can have their opponent murdered (in internet terms, labeled a troll and banned).

    I found this comment of his from his own blog interesting:


    "Yes. As a platoon leader I had an E-7 platoon sergeant who had three silver stars from Korea and a couple of plastic ribs. He was a godsend. My squad leaders were three Black E-7s and an E-7 White Mountain Apache. God bless them all."
     
    Apparently Lang was an officer throughout the Vietnam War of Yankee Aggression. His wiki states:

    "During the Vietnam War, he served in the Special Forces and Military Intelligence"
     
    He was the equivalent of an intelligence officer for the SS of the US army. The conclusion I would make is that he had to have been involved in Operation Phoenix, the equivalent to Einsatzgruppen:

    "The Phoenix Program was a program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, US Army intelligence collection units from the U.S. Military Assistance Command...

    The program was designed to identify and destroy the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong) via infiltration, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination...

    The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill or capture suspected NLF members, as well as civilians who were thought to have information on NLF activities. Many of these people were taken to interrogation centers and were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on NLF activities in the area. The information extracted at the centers was given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions. The program's effectiveness was measured in the number of Viet Cong members who were "neutralized", a euphemism meaning imprisoned, persuaded to defect, or killed.

    The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had "neutralized" 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom between 26,000 and 41,000 were killed"
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

    My sons school stop including the holohoax in the curriculum. They said a youtube video convinced them it was all a lie. We are making peogress , lads!!$$$$

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    And does the school teach standards of evidence? I hope your son never sits on a jury. Come to think of it he may grow up intellectually: it is you whom I would not want to see as one of my "peers".
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  210. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    When armed forces are almost exclusively used in offensive operations yet are constantly referred to as defence forces then that is a wilful perversion of the language and is thus malign, as you well know.

    If you are not playing fast and loose with language or perverting it, you are being loose and careĺess.

    Your “referred to” is tendentious when the common use of “Defense” is just as part of the often longstanding corporate name.

    Compare “it is a perversion of language to refer to him as His Eminence Cardinal Borgia/address him as Your Eminence” or objecting to someone identifying a group of people as “hereditary nobility/aristocracy” or an institution as “the XYZ Correctional Institute”.

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  211. RobinG says:
    @Fatima Manoubia
    There are no "unfortunate tragedies", as you try to misrepresent here, due to "inexperienced soldiers", but this is clearly a strategy which comes from the top command...On the other hand, the ammunition used by the Israeli snipers shootting at Gaza peaceful demonstrators, as if it would be a video game for them, differ a bit ( sarc. ) from rubber bullets, as it is shown by these images and the injuries inflicted on people, most of them teenagers and children, but also women...These are forbidden amuniton...hollow point bullets who have left several dozens of amputated young Palestinians...others reached in their heads or chests have died...

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/987284404333670401

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/991785692341653504

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/990252805654044672

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/987363824461369344

    ttps://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/987293861033775104

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/991080343406022656

    https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/988185405165133824

    Thank you for making this point so strongly. “yuri justo” referring to willful murder as “unfortunate tragedies” is grimly transparent, Israeli apologist, crocodile tears.

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  212. RobinG says:
    @yuri justo
    Excellent article. I have somewhat analogous experience, and will never forget the Israeli public affairs officer commenting on how 'disciplined forces had arrived to calm the situation down' while observing young soldiers gleefully plinking demonstrators with rubber bullets. I basically analyzed the Gaza situation in about the same light -- very inexperienced soldiers at the tactical level -- surprised by a new tactic -- and thus an unfortunate tragedy occurred. This could probably have been avoided with vigourous application of teargas.

    Don’t worry [Israeli apologists], the IDF has managed to kill and maim with tear gas canisters.

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  213. Wally says:
    @RobinG
    All the Untermenschen know what an idiot you are.

    More desperate name calling from one of The Usual Enemies of Free Speech.

    Note that he cannot refute my posts.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  214. Svigor says:
    @anarchyst
    You are correct about Amon Goth. In fact, "Schindler's List" is classified as FICTION as the publisher's own claim on the spine of the book...Even the American library system classification lists it as fiction...

    Wikipedia on Amon Goth:

    Göth, described by survivors as a huge and imposing man, personally murdered prisoners on a daily basis. His two dogs, Rolf, a Great Dane, and Ralf, an Alsatian mix, were trained to tear inmates to death.[35][41] When Göth suspected that his dogs preferred the company of one of their inmate handlers, a man named Adam Sztab, he killed Sztab.[42] He shot people from the window of his office if they appeared to be moving too slowly or resting in the yard.[35] He shot to death a Jewish cook because the soup was too hot.

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    The structure of the camp and the topography of the area would have made it impossible for Goth to shoot inmates from his vantage point. Wikipedia? C'mon, now...
    , @James Forrestal
    Meanwhile, back in the real world...

    One of the prisoners in the War Crimes Enclosure at Dachau was Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, an SS judge who had investigated corruption and crimes against the prisoners in the Nazi concentration camps. Dr. Morgen was incarcerated as a war criminal at Dachau because he was a member of the SS.

    During the war, Dr. Morgen had investigated 800 concentration camp cases and had then brought charges against 200 SS men, including 5 commandants, of whom 2 were shot after being convicted of murdering prisoners in their concentration camps. He investigated the Buchenwald camp for 8 months before dismissing charges against Ilse Koch, the wife of Commandant Karl Otto Koch. In Dr. Morgen's court, Karl Koch was convicted of ordering the murder of two prisoners and was subsequently executed by the Nazis.

    Why would the German military justice system care that a commandant of a "death camp" was killing prisoners? They executed him for carrying out the purpose of the camp? Kind of odd, isn't it?

    This is easily verifiable, unlike your Hollywood-promoted fairy tales. For comparison -- name a gulag commandant who was executed by the Soviets for killing prisoners.

    Or a head of one of the Rhine Meadows camps who was executed by the US Army for killing prisoners.

    Must be because no one was ever killed in either of those camp systems, right?

    Swimming pool at Auschwitz (inside the wire, btw):

    https://kek.gg/i/Vv3qW.jpg

    Facilities at the US-run camp for German prisoners at Sinzig-Remagen, Germany after the end of the war:

    https://kek.gg/i/YGHbC.png


    The Narrative tells us that one of these was a death camp; the other, a humane internment camp. Which is which? For extra credit, of these two camps, which camp was the Red Cross allowed access to, in order to check on conditions and deliver mail, aid, etc.? Which one was the Red Cross excluded from?

    The winners write the history books.
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  215. Svigor says:

    In contrast a 22 year old American platoon leader would have a mature platoon sergeant as his assistant and counselor.

    I’ve never understood the officer/enlisted thing. I vaguely understand its origins; the officer corps tended to be upper class. But what is its utility today? Why not simply put the mature platoon sergeant in charge? Is the split there so that blue-collar careerists can thrive in one track, and college-educated officers can serve a term or two and move on?

    This is so patently stupid. Even if not many were killed, this makes IDF look like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER’S LIST shooting randomly at Jews.

    In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF.

    Except all we have on Goth is a sixty-year-old narrative told through the fog of war, while the IDF’s behavior is, as you suggest, a matter of record in the age of social media.

    ​Juvenile or not, everything about Israel’s putrid core is British Jewish colonialism …

    FIFY.

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    Why not simply put the mature platoon sergeant in charge?
     
    Because of that adage "two levels up/down".

    Education. An intellectual vs fighting ability.

    Fighting effectively stops at platoon level.
    Two levels up means understanding those levels (up to a battalion) and communicating with one level up (company).

    Or, in layman/civilian terms, imagine an experienced foreman participating in board meeting and corporate decision making.

    Having junior officer in that position enables him to understand that level, the fighting level, down to individual trooper. So, when he moves up he'll keep (hopefully) that understanding when thinking/deciding on higher levels.

    Makes sense?

    Now, that all applies to, as you pointed out, class (British) model of "commissioned/noncommisioned/enlisted".
    "People's " armies don't do that, at least as long as they do keep truly being people's, and, very important, up to being of certain size.
    Red Army is a good example. In fighting against "Whites" they had all levels of leadership simply coming from ranks, fast. Later, of course, we got a "proper" army structure.
    Big topic.
    It appears that at a certain level of size/organization you need a switch from "people's army" to "proper army".

    Now...IDF appears to be one of very rare examples where a modern, first rate army, operates on that model. Starting from ranks and moving up.
    Interesting for sure. Fascinating, for some, actually.
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  216. Svigor says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    In the Christian Beit Sueur village outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank turret coaxial machine guns from within a dirt walled fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it. In Bethlehem itself a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that.

    One might say that in war, bad things happen but is the Gaza massacre actually war by any standard. Such behavior is indicative of an army that is not well disciplined and not a completely reliably instrument of state policy. In my travels in the West Bank, it has been noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks is reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other. I think the IDF would be well advised to grow some real sergeants.
     
    Expunge any reference of the IDF and Israel and The Palestinians from this excerpt and replace with The Nazis and The Jews and it fits like a Glove. The Sadistically Abused have become the Sadistic Abusers within the span of a generation or two and they used their Victimization to accomplish it.

    The Cycle of Abuse.

    Nazism was not defeated in WWII, it just changed Masks.

    Actually Nazism was informed by Judaism (see Separation and Its Discontents).

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  217. Svigor says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Is this what is referred to as "whataboutery"?

    Calling “whataboutery” is a euphemism for “I got nothin’.”

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  218. Svigor says:
    @urfullofcrap
    Pontius Pilate was a Roman prefect, born and raised in Rome, not a Jew. The soldiers who crucified him were Roman as well. But it's moot since you leftists don't believe Jesus existed.

    And he left his decision to the Jews, who told him they wanted Jesus crucified, and the criminal amnestied. Hence his ritual hand-washing. His sin was in not using his authority to contravene the Jewish mob’s demands.

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    Pontius Pilate was a pragmatist who understood the jewish mentality. He was fearful of jewish riots, which would disrupt the day-to-day activities of civilized society.
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  219. Svigor says:
    @jacques sheete

    For a different aspect of war and wartime behavior, please obtain and read “Our War Was Different” by Al Hemingway.
     
    It may not have been much different, morally, than any other unnecessary conflict the US has weasled its way into.

    According to Lindbergh, in his memoirs, Japanese soldiers were not allowed to surrender under any conditions and that's partly how they got an undeserved reputation for fanaticism. They were killed en masse by any means possible. There was little, if any respect shown for the dead by Americans either.

    I've also read stories about the US Marines' leadership having to offer ice cream to the troopies so they wouldn't kill every Japanese they got hold of, on Iwo Jima, I believe. The leaders didn't make the offer out of compassion, but out of the desire to get live prisoners for interrogation.

    Then there's Eisenhower's and Churchill's treatment of German POWs after the war and that of the Russian soldiers who were released back to Stalin to face certain mistreatment if not death.

    Quick search yielded this:

    American soldiers in the Pacific often deliberately killed Japanese soldiers who had surrendered. According to Richard Aldrich, who has published a study of the diaries kept by United States and Australian soldiers, they sometimes massacred prisoners of war. Dower states that in "many instances ... Japanese who did become prisoners were killed on the spot or en route to prison compounds." According to Aldrich it was common practice for U.S. troops not to take prisoners. This analysis is supported by British historian Niall Ferguson,who also says that, in 1943, "a secret [U. S.] intelligence report noted that only the promise of ice cream and three days leave would ... induce American troops not to kill surrendering Japanese."


    "We have this stereotypical idea that the Japanese were all cruel and robotic while the Allied forces were tough but fair in their treatment of the enemy. But I was very surprised by much of what I found and had to rethink all those stereotypes."
    "Oh, we could take more if we wanted to," one of the officers replied. "But our boys don't like to take prisoners.
    https://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/10/american-soldiers-hated-japanese-pow.html

     

    Japs’ kamikaze tactics belie that. Jap penchant for honorable suicide over ignominious capture is well-known and long predates WWII.

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    Japs’ kamikaze tactics belie that.
     
    Tell us about it and provide credible sources. Maybe we could learn something. Until then that's war time propaganda.
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  220. Svigor says:
    @Anon
    Orhodox Christian Josef Stalin. Goyim killing goyim .
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  221. Svigor says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    That's not what I asked you.

    Consider for a moment when there's anything they did that you would consider to be wrong, regardless of whether anyone else was doing the same thing or anything similar.

    Consider whether Jews live up to this standard.

    If they aren’t held to that standard, why should we be?

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  222. Svigor says:

    I did a quick web search on the whole officer vs. enlisted thing, and skimmed a few of the results. Apparently there is no good reason to have two “tracks.” All I saw was “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” which may be good advice, but doesn’t begin to answer the question from a design perspective, and stupid shit like “you’ve got to have hierarchy,” as if there were no ranks among the enlisted. So I really would appreciate an explanation.

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  223. peterAUS says:
    @Svigor

    In contrast a 22 year old American platoon leader would have a mature platoon sergeant as his assistant and counselor.
     
    I've never understood the officer/enlisted thing. I vaguely understand its origins; the officer corps tended to be upper class. But what is its utility today? Why not simply put the mature platoon sergeant in charge? Is the split there so that blue-collar careerists can thrive in one track, and college-educated officers can serve a term or two and move on?

    This is so patently stupid. Even if not many were killed, this makes IDF look like Amon Goth in SCHINDLER’S LIST shooting randomly at Jews.

    In the age of social media, this was dumb-dumb move by IDF.
     
    Except all we have on Goth is a sixty-year-old narrative told through the fog of war, while the IDF's behavior is, as you suggest, a matter of record in the age of social media.

    ​Juvenile or not, everything about Israel’s putrid core is British Jewish colonialism …
     
    FIFY.

    Why not simply put the mature platoon sergeant in charge?

    Because of that adage “two levels up/down”.

    Education. An intellectual vs fighting ability.

    Fighting effectively stops at platoon level.
    Two levels up means understanding those levels (up to a battalion) and communicating with one level up (company).

    Or, in layman/civilian terms, imagine an experienced foreman participating in board meeting and corporate decision making.

    Having junior officer in that position enables him to understand that level, the fighting level, down to individual trooper. So, when he moves up he’ll keep (hopefully) that understanding when thinking/deciding on higher levels.

    Makes sense?

    Now, that all applies to, as you pointed out, class (British) model of “commissioned/noncommisioned/enlisted”.
    “People’s ” armies don’t do that, at least as long as they do keep truly being people’s, and, very important, up to being of certain size.
    Red Army is a good example. In fighting against “Whites” they had all levels of leadership simply coming from ranks, fast. Later, of course, we got a “proper” army structure.
    Big topic.
    It appears that at a certain level of size/organization you need a switch from “people’s army” to “proper army”.

    Now…IDF appears to be one of very rare examples where a modern, first rate army, operates on that model. Starting from ranks and moving up.
    Interesting for sure. Fascinating, for some, actually.

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    Makes sense?
     
    Not yet. Maybe compare and contrast? Tell me something it would be harder to do in a military with commissioned and non-commissioned "tracks" rolled into a single track? Likewise, tell me something that it's easier to do in a military with 2 "tracks"?

    I'm not knocking the current structure, at all. I'm naturally philosophically (if not politically) conservative. And I have put my finger on one reason, already: advancement for two social classes, white and blue collar, in the same military. Maybe that's sufficient.

    Or maybe the issue is one of scale? I.e., non-commissioned officers top out at a level much lower than officers do, while commissioned officers keep going all the way up to general officer rank? I could see that as a reason for having two kinds of officers.

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  224. WJW says:
    @Heros
    Lang also posted this UNZ article on his own blog

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/httpwwwunzcomplangisraels-juvenile-ground-army.html#disqus_thread

    Yes, he does appear to hiding from the Unz comment section. This is not at all surprising, it is the reason there are all these holocaust laws on the books in every country in the west. Zionists, both jewish and shabbez, will never allow debate on a level playing field. They always cheat so that if they start losing an argument they can have their opponent murdered (in internet terms, labeled a troll and banned).

    I found this comment of his from his own blog interesting:


    "Yes. As a platoon leader I had an E-7 platoon sergeant who had three silver stars from Korea and a couple of plastic ribs. He was a godsend. My squad leaders were three Black E-7s and an E-7 White Mountain Apache. God bless them all."
     
    Apparently Lang was an officer throughout the Vietnam War of Yankee Aggression. His wiki states:

    "During the Vietnam War, he served in the Special Forces and Military Intelligence"
     
    He was the equivalent of an intelligence officer for the SS of the US army. The conclusion I would make is that he had to have been involved in Operation Phoenix, the equivalent to Einsatzgruppen:

    "The Phoenix Program was a program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, US Army intelligence collection units from the U.S. Military Assistance Command...

    The program was designed to identify and destroy the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong) via infiltration, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination...

    The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill or capture suspected NLF members, as well as civilians who were thought to have information on NLF activities. Many of these people were taken to interrogation centers and were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on NLF activities in the area. The information extracted at the centers was given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions. The program's effectiveness was measured in the number of Viet Cong members who were "neutralized", a euphemism meaning imprisoned, persuaded to defect, or killed.

    The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had "neutralized" 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom between 26,000 and 41,000 were killed"
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

    Pat Lang is not a Zionist. The reason why he is not engaging in the comment section this time round, I would bet, is that he’s learned that many commentators on this site are more interested in launching cheap ad hominem attacks on his military-intelligence analysis than in engaging his arguments on the merits. Is Pat Lang–career US military officer and intelligence specialist–the perfect moral agent? No. Are his politics likely not pure enough for many of those on this site? Yes. But how does either of these “shortcomings” of Lang (who none of us probably personally know) obviously disprove the accuracy of his information and analysis? They do not. But many people–Zionists and anti-Zionists alike– prefer to read empty rhetorical virtue signaling that confirms their own righteousness than become better informed about a topic directly pertinent to their own political aims. This is irrational, and common as air.

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    ..that he’s learned that many commentators on this site are more interested in launching cheap ad hominem attacks on his military-intelligence analysis than in engaging his arguments on the merits.
     
    Of course.

    But many people–Zionists and anti-Zionists alike– prefer to read empty rhetorical virtue signaling that confirms their own righteousness than become better informed about a topic directly pertinent to their own political aims. This is irrational, and common as air.
     
    Agree.
    , @anonymous
    You’re brushing broadly about the critical comments.

    I asked some fair (although apparently troubling) questions in the threads under Mr. Lang’s first two columns published here at Unz. His last comment was an own goal, literal use of “ad hominem” in response to me.

    Go back and check - I am #340.

    , @Heros
    If Lang is attending religous festivities in Israel, then in my book that is enough to label him a Zionist. I would never set foot in the land of those genocidally maniacal racial supremecists.

    As far as him having to face "cheap ad hominem attacks" I would say that would be mild payback for the way he abuses commentors on his own blog. As I stated before, he called Bernhard (b) from MoA an "American hater" and has been nasty to him many times. He is often down right sadistic, as he blocks commentors and then abuses them afterwards. This is what I would expect a torturer to do, blame the victim for forcing the torturer to be sadistic.

    Finally, I do not see how hating free mason war mongers with secret agendas like Lang who have perverted everything that America once was is "virtue signaling".

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    @WJW
    Pat Lang is not a Zionist. The reason why he is not engaging in the comment section this time round, I would bet, is that he's learned that many commentators on this site are more interested in launching cheap ad hominem attacks on his military-intelligence analysis than in engaging his arguments on the merits. Is Pat Lang--career US military officer and intelligence specialist--the perfect moral agent? No. Are his politics likely not pure enough for many of those on this site? Yes. But how does either of these "shortcomings" of Lang (who none of us probably personally know) obviously disprove the accuracy of his information and analysis? They do not. But many people--Zionists and anti-Zionists alike-- prefer to read empty rhetorical virtue signaling that confirms their own righteousness than become better informed about a topic directly pertinent to their own political aims. This is irrational, and common as air.

    ..that he’s learned that many commentators on this site are more interested in launching cheap ad hominem attacks on his military-intelligence analysis than in engaging his arguments on the merits.

    Of course.

    But many people–Zionists and anti-Zionists alike– prefer to read empty rhetorical virtue signaling that confirms their own righteousness than become better informed about a topic directly pertinent to their own political aims. This is irrational, and common as air.

    Agree.

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  226. To make some justice to the Israelis ( if few ) who oppose their current far-right government genocidal policies against Palestinians and so have the courage to demonstrate within Israel itself, the following testimony….

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/05/pro-palestinian-israelis-express-support-for-gaza-denounce-netanyahu-as-a-war-criminal/

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  227. Svigor says:
    @peterAUS

    Why not simply put the mature platoon sergeant in charge?
     
    Because of that adage "two levels up/down".

    Education. An intellectual vs fighting ability.

    Fighting effectively stops at platoon level.
    Two levels up means understanding those levels (up to a battalion) and communicating with one level up (company).

    Or, in layman/civilian terms, imagine an experienced foreman participating in board meeting and corporate decision making.

    Having junior officer in that position enables him to understand that level, the fighting level, down to individual trooper. So, when he moves up he'll keep (hopefully) that understanding when thinking/deciding on higher levels.

    Makes sense?

    Now, that all applies to, as you pointed out, class (British) model of "commissioned/noncommisioned/enlisted".
    "People's " armies don't do that, at least as long as they do keep truly being people's, and, very important, up to being of certain size.
    Red Army is a good example. In fighting against "Whites" they had all levels of leadership simply coming from ranks, fast. Later, of course, we got a "proper" army structure.
    Big topic.
    It appears that at a certain level of size/organization you need a switch from "people's army" to "proper army".

    Now...IDF appears to be one of very rare examples where a modern, first rate army, operates on that model. Starting from ranks and moving up.
    Interesting for sure. Fascinating, for some, actually.

    Makes sense?

    Not yet. Maybe compare and contrast? Tell me something it would be harder to do in a military with commissioned and non-commissioned “tracks” rolled into a single track? Likewise, tell me something that it’s easier to do in a military with 2 “tracks”?

    I’m not knocking the current structure, at all. I’m naturally philosophically (if not politically) conservative. And I have put my finger on one reason, already: advancement for two social classes, white and blue collar, in the same military. Maybe that’s sufficient.

    Or maybe the issue is one of scale? I.e., non-commissioned officers top out at a level much lower than officers do, while commissioned officers keep going all the way up to general officer rank? I could see that as a reason for having two kinds of officers.

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    Not yet. Maybe compare and contrast? Tell me something it would be harder to do in a military with commissioned and non-commissioned “tracks” rolled into a single track? Likewise, tell me something that it’s easier to do in a military with 2 “tracks”?
     
    O.K.

    Let's assume, for the moment, that much smarter people than you, me or anyone on this site already tackled that problem and came up with proper solutions.
    I've, personally, had that topic as a big part of my paper (or so I say).

    Boils to really simple thing: "white collar" vs " blue collar".

    You can have a hero warrior unable to command a brigade.
    You can have a brilliant corps staff officer unable to lead a fireteam.

    How many troopers got killed or units destroyed because a man in charge got promoted just one level above his ability?
    That was, is, particularly a problem in "people's armies". Again, a venerated hero now commanding a combined arms group of corps size. Great at storming strongpoints and leading from the front. Dangerous, for own side, in command bunker.
    True, there are always exceptions. Emphasize on exceptions.

    Civilian analogy:
    You can have a master craftsman unable to manage a medium size corporate.
    You can have a brilliant CIO unable to change spark plugs.

    You can have a champion unable to manage his own personal life.
    You can have a great CEO of a sport club who was as youngster very bad in the same sport.

    Different jobs.

    The key is to accept that and organize the military respecting that fact.
    That is why you have a RSM, even Command Sergeant Major, for example, in some Western armies.

    As I said, big topic.

    I am actually impressed how IDF manages that.
    That path, selection process, from a conscript citizen to, well, the top.
    It is obviously possible and, well, appears to be effective.
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  228. AKAHorace says:
    @Hiram of Tyre
    ​Juvenile or not, everything about Israel's putrid core is British colonialism ...

    The British Spook Who Built 'The Army of Zion

    The ideologies, mythologies, and geopolitical strategies of the State of Israel, down to the minutest details, are the handiwork of a handful of Britons. In particular there was Orde Wingate, a representative of the Amery and Rothschild interests in the 1930s and a top British intelligence officer in Palestine.

    Moshe Dayan recently said of Wingate: "I remember Orde Wingate. And I salute him. He taught me and many another Israeli soldier everything we knew." Wingate was himself a religious fanatic who was known to enjoy loud mystical revelations while sitting naked and cross-legged on the floor. As the British controller of the Haganah, the main Zionist armed force prior to the establishment of the Israeli state, he taught his Zionist puppets both military doctrine and how to use "biblical" myths to brainwash the population into obedience.

    Wingate believed himself to be a modern Gideon, charged, according to the Bible, to "go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel," and his zombified Zionist pupils saw in him the source of all their ideas. Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion reminisced that Wingate could give a "military interpretation' of the Bible's historic events ". . as if they had happened yesterday.'' According to Wingate biographer Leonard Mosley, political intelligence officer Wingate had a "magnetic hold'' over the Haganah brigades: "There was not a Jew in Palestine who would not do anything he said . . . .

    Certainly all the high officials of the Jewish Agency and the Haganah were ready to his bidding." Thus it was Wingate, not Ben-Gurion or Dayan, who began the Zionist military strategy of brutal "retaliation" against the Arabs. When Zionist militiamen balked at this strategy, fearing — correctly — that it could only worsen strained Jewish- Arab relations, it was Wingate who insisted that the Haganah's special retaliatory Night Squads were proof that "the spirit of the Maccabees (Jewish nationalists of the second century B.C. — ed.) still lived" in Jewish youth — an argument that broke down dovish resistance to his schemes.

    Mosley writes the following account of a Wingate-led retaliatory action against Arab villagers in which Dayan participated. The following excerpts begin after an incident in which Dayan and another Haganah soldier had killed five Arabs and captured four. Wingate came back, carrying a Turkish rifle over his shoulder. He looked calm and serene.

    "Good work. You are fine boys and will make good soldiers,'' he said.
    He went up to the four Arab prisoners. He said in Arabic: "You have arms in this village.
    Where have you hidden them?''
    The Arabs shook their heads, and protested ignorance. Wingate reached down and took sand and grit from the ground; he thrust it down (one Arab's) throat until he choked and puked.
    "Now,'' he said, "where have you hidden the arms?''
    Still they shook their heads.

    Wingate turned to one of the Jews and, pointing to the coughing and spluttering Arab, said, "Shoot this man."
    The Jew looked at him questioningly and hesitated. Wingate said, in a tense voice, "Did you hear? Shoot him." The Jew shot the Arab. The others stared for a moment, in stupefaction, at the dead body at their feet ....
    Now speak," said Wingate. They spoke.

    Ben-Gurion later declared that "the Haganah's best officers were trained in the special Night Squads" by Wingate. Trained terrorist Dayan added, "In some sense, every leader of the Israeli Army even today is a disciple of Wingate. He gave us our technique, he was the inspiration of our tactics, he was our dynamic." And their ideological controller. Wingate would often begin special training courses for the Haganah elite by expounding, "We are establishing here the foundations for the army of Zion."

    His contribution extended to programming every minute detail of military strategy for the Haganah, thereby providing the entirety of Israeli military orientations from the 1948 declaration of statehood through to the present. According to Mosley, Wingate in 1938 authored "The Jewish State — Security and Defence, Transition Period," which is to this day "one of the most treasured Israeli documents."

    Mosley labels it a "brilliant forecast" of the needs of the state, how much these needs would cost, which "strategy and tactics the Arab states would use to upset the new state," how these could be defeated, and "what measures should be taken to mobilize and inspirit the civilian population and grid industry and agriculture to the task of keeping the international machine in motion." So successful was this strategy outline, Mosley reported, that Wingate's advice has been followed, almost to the phrase, by the State of Israel. ... It is still a practical paper which they constantly consult."



    From:
    p.8-9: http://wlym.comm/archive/campaigner/7812.pdf

    In Britain Wingate is more known for leading the Chindits, a an irregular warfare group who fought the Japanese in Burma.

    A quote from Edward Behr, describing his superior officer in 1947 India.

    “Morris was a career Gurhka officer who had spent part of the war with Orde Wingate and the Chindits in Burma, earning a DSO in the process. Like most officers who had fought the Japanese at close quarters, he was ambivalent in his attitude towards them, but he reserved his hatred for Wingate who he described as a half-crazed maniac. “I survived Wingate and the Japanese, in that order” he would say.”

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  229. anarchyst says:
    @Svigor
    And he left his decision to the Jews, who told him they wanted Jesus crucified, and the criminal amnestied. Hence his ritual hand-washing. His sin was in not using his authority to contravene the Jewish mob's demands.

    Pontius Pilate was a pragmatist who understood the jewish mentality. He was fearful of jewish riots, which would disrupt the day-to-day activities of civilized society.

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  230. anarchyst says:
    @Svigor
    Wikipedia on Amon Goth:

    Göth, described by survivors as a huge and imposing man, personally murdered prisoners on a daily basis. His two dogs, Rolf, a Great Dane, and Ralf, an Alsatian mix, were trained to tear inmates to death.[35][41] When Göth suspected that his dogs preferred the company of one of their inmate handlers, a man named Adam Sztab, he killed Sztab.[42] He shot people from the window of his office if they appeared to be moving too slowly or resting in the yard.[35] He shot to death a Jewish cook because the soup was too hot.
     

    The structure of the camp and the topography of the area would have made it impossible for Goth to shoot inmates from his vantage point. Wikipedia? C’mon, now…

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    Not sure what you're getting at...
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  231. @Svigor
    Japs' kamikaze tactics belie that. Jap penchant for honorable suicide over ignominious capture is well-known and long predates WWII.

    Japs’ kamikaze tactics belie that.

    Tell us about it and provide credible sources. Maybe we could learn something. Until then that’s war time propaganda.

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  232. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @WJW
    Pat Lang is not a Zionist. The reason why he is not engaging in the comment section this time round, I would bet, is that he's learned that many commentators on this site are more interested in launching cheap ad hominem attacks on his military-intelligence analysis than in engaging his arguments on the merits. Is Pat Lang--career US military officer and intelligence specialist--the perfect moral agent? No. Are his politics likely not pure enough for many of those on this site? Yes. But how does either of these "shortcomings" of Lang (who none of us probably personally know) obviously disprove the accuracy of his information and analysis? They do not. But many people--Zionists and anti-Zionists alike-- prefer to read empty rhetorical virtue signaling that confirms their own righteousness than become better informed about a topic directly pertinent to their own political aims. This is irrational, and common as air.

    You’re brushing broadly about the critical comments.

    I asked some fair (although apparently troubling) questions in the threads under Mr. Lang’s first two columns published here at Unz. His last comment was an own goal, literal use of “ad hominem” in response to me.

    Go back and check – I am #340.

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    Well, if he did that, then it was wrong of him to do so. I disagree with Lang politically, and I admit that his tone can be a bit short at times, but his analysis of US foreign policy, military strategy and tactics, and their likely outcomes in the ME has proven accurate time and time again. I just don't think it is very wise to dismiss him--and especially not for antiZionists.
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  233. peterAUS says:
    @Svigor

    Makes sense?
     
    Not yet. Maybe compare and contrast? Tell me something it would be harder to do in a military with commissioned and non-commissioned "tracks" rolled into a single track? Likewise, tell me something that it's easier to do in a military with 2 "tracks"?

    I'm not knocking the current structure, at all. I'm naturally philosophically (if not politically) conservative. And I have put my finger on one reason, already: advancement for two social classes, white and blue collar, in the same military. Maybe that's sufficient.

    Or maybe the issue is one of scale? I.e., non-commissioned officers top out at a level much lower than officers do, while commissioned officers keep going all the way up to general officer rank? I could see that as a reason for having two kinds of officers.

    Not yet. Maybe compare and contrast? Tell me something it would be harder to do in a military with commissioned and non-commissioned “tracks” rolled into a single track? Likewise, tell me something that it’s easier to do in a military with 2 “tracks”?

    O.K.

    Let’s assume, for the moment, that much smarter people than you, me or anyone on this site already tackled that problem and came up with proper solutions.
    I’ve, personally, had that topic as a big part of my paper (or so I say).

    Boils to really simple thing: “white collar” vs ” blue collar”.

    You can have a hero warrior unable to command a brigade.
    You can have a brilliant corps staff officer unable to lead a fireteam.

    How many troopers got killed or units destroyed because a man in charge got promoted just one level above his ability?
    That was, is, particularly a problem in “people’s armies”. Again, a venerated hero now commanding a combined arms group of corps size. Great at storming strongpoints and leading from the front. Dangerous, for own side, in command bunker.
    True, there are always exceptions. Emphasize on exceptions.

    Civilian analogy:
    You can have a master craftsman unable to manage a medium size corporate.
    You can have a brilliant CIO unable to change spark plugs.

    You can have a champion unable to manage his own personal life.
    You can have a great CEO of a sport club who was as youngster very bad in the same sport.

    Different jobs.

    The key is to accept that and organize the military respecting that fact.
    That is why you have a RSM, even Command Sergeant Major, for example, in some Western armies.

    As I said, big topic.

    I am actually impressed how IDF manages that.
    That path, selection process, from a conscript citizen to, well, the top.
    It is obviously possible and, well, appears to be effective.

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    Let’s assume, for the moment, that much smarter people than you, me or anyone on this site already tackled that problem and came up with proper solutions.
     
    No. It's too easy to use that as a fig-leaf for something that could easily be best explained as a simple legacy; that's how we started out doing it (because that's how our role models did it), and the real reason is simple inertia. Which would not be a bad reason, btw; I think the AR-15 will be the go-to first world combat/sporting rifle platform for many years to come (even if/when the US military replaces it), simply because it would cost far too much money to replace it, for marginal gains - and I'm fine with that.

    P.S., in my experience, there's really nothing I can't get the gist of, if someone intelligent enough is explaining it. If a smart person can't articulate ideas so that competent but less intelligent people can at least get the gist, he either doesn't understand the issue, or he's trying to "blind with science," i.e., he's trying to make the subject seem obscure, to play up his own brilliance, pull off an appeal to authority fallacy, etc.


    Boils to really simple thing: “white collar” vs ” blue collar”.

    You can have a hero warrior unable to command a brigade.
    You can have a brilliant corps staff officer unable to lead a fireteam.
     

    True, but I don't see how two tracks provides a better solution. I can also see how you could have a heroic commissioned officer unable to command a brigade, and a brilliant non-com unable to lead a fireteam.

    I mean, I "get" the basic idea of coms as leaders, and enlisted as techs. I'm just not sure I'm sold on it as needed.


    Civilian analogy:
    You can have a master craftsman unable to manage a medium size corporate.
    You can have a brilliant CIO unable to change spark plugs.
     
    Yeah, I was thinking something similar earlier, but does this really argue for two tracks? Does it really solve the problems you're pointing out? That master craftsmen could be a better leader of men and public speaker than his CEO, too. And if the CEO had the training, he might excel the craftsman at his trade.
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  234. Svigor says:
    @anarchyst
    The structure of the camp and the topography of the area would have made it impossible for Goth to shoot inmates from his vantage point. Wikipedia? C'mon, now...

    Not sure what you’re getting at…

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    Again:

    http://whale.to/b/plas21.gif

    see:
    ‘Comparing the stories of Amon Göth and Karl Otto Koch’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10432&p=78794

    more:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=Amon+Goeth

    Regards.

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  235. Svigor says:
    @peterAUS

    Not yet. Maybe compare and contrast? Tell me something it would be harder to do in a military with commissioned and non-commissioned “tracks” rolled into a single track? Likewise, tell me something that it’s easier to do in a military with 2 “tracks”?
     
    O.K.

    Let's assume, for the moment, that much smarter people than you, me or anyone on this site already tackled that problem and came up with proper solutions.
    I've, personally, had that topic as a big part of my paper (or so I say).

    Boils to really simple thing: "white collar" vs " blue collar".

    You can have a hero warrior unable to command a brigade.
    You can have a brilliant corps staff officer unable to lead a fireteam.

    How many troopers got killed or units destroyed because a man in charge got promoted just one level above his ability?
    That was, is, particularly a problem in "people's armies". Again, a venerated hero now commanding a combined arms group of corps size. Great at storming strongpoints and leading from the front. Dangerous, for own side, in command bunker.
    True, there are always exceptions. Emphasize on exceptions.

    Civilian analogy:
    You can have a master craftsman unable to manage a medium size corporate.
    You can have a brilliant CIO unable to change spark plugs.

    You can have a champion unable to manage his own personal life.
    You can have a great CEO of a sport club who was as youngster very bad in the same sport.

    Different jobs.

    The key is to accept that and organize the military respecting that fact.
    That is why you have a RSM, even Command Sergeant Major, for example, in some Western armies.

    As I said, big topic.

    I am actually impressed how IDF manages that.
    That path, selection process, from a conscript citizen to, well, the top.
    It is obviously possible and, well, appears to be effective.

    Let’s assume, for the moment, that much smarter people than you, me or anyone on this site already tackled that problem and came up with proper solutions.

    No. It’s too easy to use that as a fig-leaf for something that could easily be best explained as a simple legacy; that’s how we started out doing it (because that’s how our role models did it), and the real reason is simple inertia. Which would not be a bad reason, btw; I think the AR-15 will be the go-to first world combat/sporting rifle platform for many years to come (even if/when the US military replaces it), simply because it would cost far too much money to replace it, for marginal gains – and I’m fine with that.

    P.S., in my experience, there’s really nothing I can’t get the gist of, if someone intelligent enough is explaining it. If a smart person can’t articulate ideas so that competent but less intelligent people can at least get the gist, he either doesn’t understand the issue, or he’s trying to “blind with science,” i.e., he’s trying to make the subject seem obscure, to play up his own brilliance, pull off an appeal to authority fallacy, etc.

    Boils to really simple thing: “white collar” vs ” blue collar”.

    You can have a hero warrior unable to command a brigade.
    You can have a brilliant corps staff officer unable to lead a fireteam.

    True, but I don’t see how two tracks provides a better solution. I can also see how you could have a heroic commissioned officer unable to command a brigade, and a brilliant non-com unable to lead a fireteam.

    I mean, I “get” the basic idea of coms as leaders, and enlisted as techs. I’m just not sure I’m sold on it as needed.

    Civilian analogy:
    You can have a master craftsman unable to manage a medium size corporate.
    You can have a brilliant CIO unable to change spark plugs.

    Yeah, I was thinking something similar earlier, but does this really argue for two tracks? Does it really solve the problems you’re pointing out? That master craftsmen could be a better leader of men and public speaker than his CEO, too. And if the CEO had the training, he might excel the craftsman at his trade.

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    I’m just not sure I’m sold on it as needed.

     

    Are you sold on the model of US society?

    That's the basis of all this.
    Solve that and military model will solve itself; it's simple extension of society.

    THAT is why I see IDF model as very interesting.
    It is the first world country organized along lines of Western democracies, but, it has "people's" army.
    And it's, although small, rather effective.
    Swiss too, but one could argue that Swiss have no real enemies. Well, for IDF, quite the contrary. It's as real as it gets there.

    One wonders what would happen if The Empire's, I mean, U.S./West military is organized along the same lines. Would we bee seeing all these endless occupations and expansions? Which, again, sounds bizarre because IDF is seen, even in West, as expansionist and occupational force.

    I guess that the concept of "skin in the game" would change a lot in that case. As long as lower classes do all the dying, being crippled and/or mutilated it's O.K. I guess.

    Everybody likes to point to high casualties of IDF in the latest round in Lebanon.
    Now, what most don't even see is the ratio officers/"enlisted". Take a look. Then compare that to the casualty rate/ratio in any US engagement since '91. Draw, then, the CLASS structure there. You'll get, if you want, some interesting facts there. Maybe even a certain, quite uncomfortable, truth.

    Anyway, that'll just get worse in years to come. That class ratio I mean.
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  236. Svigor says:

    Pete, to expand, the US military is full of guys on either “track” who don’t live up to the generalizations you’re making (that I happen to agree with, more or less). E.g., the colonel who is an intelligence analyst and outside of his area of specialization is a wet noodle who would be out-performed by your average INF corporal or 2nd LT at anything resembling combat leadership or tactics. JAG officers are probably an even better example. We can both dream up an infinite number of examples like this. I don’t see how having separate “tracks” really solves the rank vs. categorization problem we’re up against (IOW, the fact that rank is no reliable indicator of general ability, in either track).

    OTOH, it does kinda make sense to reward a college degree with a commission, so Doctors and Masters’ holders aren’t being ordered around by sergeants, under the assumption that college-educated men have enough sense to defer to experience when needed.

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  237. WJW says:
    @anonymous
    You’re brushing broadly about the critical comments.

    I asked some fair (although apparently troubling) questions in the threads under Mr. Lang’s first two columns published here at Unz. His last comment was an own goal, literal use of “ad hominem” in response to me.

    Go back and check - I am #340.

    Well, if he did that, then it was wrong of him to do so. I disagree with Lang politically, and I admit that his tone can be a bit short at times, but his analysis of US foreign policy, military strategy and tactics, and their likely outcomes in the ME has proven accurate time and time again. I just don’t think it is very wise to dismiss him–and especially not for antiZionists.

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  238. @Svigor
    Wikipedia on Amon Goth:

    Göth, described by survivors as a huge and imposing man, personally murdered prisoners on a daily basis. His two dogs, Rolf, a Great Dane, and Ralf, an Alsatian mix, were trained to tear inmates to death.[35][41] When Göth suspected that his dogs preferred the company of one of their inmate handlers, a man named Adam Sztab, he killed Sztab.[42] He shot people from the window of his office if they appeared to be moving too slowly or resting in the yard.[35] He shot to death a Jewish cook because the soup was too hot.
     

    Meanwhile, back in the real world…

    One of the prisoners in the War Crimes Enclosure at Dachau was Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, an SS judge who had investigated corruption and crimes against the prisoners in the Nazi concentration camps. Dr. Morgen was incarcerated as a war criminal at Dachau because he was a member of the SS.

    During the war, Dr. Morgen had investigated 800 concentration camp cases and had then brought charges against 200 SS men, including 5 commandants, of whom 2 were shot after being convicted of murdering prisoners in their concentration camps. He investigated the Buchenwald camp for 8 months before dismissing charges against Ilse Koch, the wife of Commandant Karl Otto Koch. In Dr. Morgen’s court, Karl Koch was convicted of ordering the murder of two prisoners and was subsequently executed by the Nazis.

    Why would the German military justice system care that a commandant of a “death camp” was killing prisoners? They executed him for carrying out the purpose of the camp? Kind of odd, isn’t it?

    This is easily verifiable, unlike your Hollywood-promoted fairy tales. For comparison — name a gulag commandant who was executed by the Soviets for killing prisoners.

    Or a head of one of the Rhine Meadows camps who was executed by the US Army for killing prisoners.

    Must be because no one was ever killed in either of those camp systems, right?

    Swimming pool at Auschwitz (inside the wire, btw):

    Facilities at the US-run camp for German prisoners at Sinzig-Remagen, Germany after the end of the war:

    The Narrative tells us that one of these was a death camp; the other, a humane internment camp. Which is which? For extra credit, of these two camps, which camp was the Red Cross allowed access to, in order to check on conditions and deliver mail, aid, etc.? Which one was the Red Cross excluded from?

    The winners write the history books.

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    Your photos disappeared, hmm.
    Anyway:

    Auschwitz swimming pool:
    https://codoh.com/media/files/codoh/graphics3/swimpool.jpg

    German POWs forced to live in the elements at Remagen:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Remagen_prisoners.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/24/7a/31247add72bae84c4d5c97ab81afa268.jpg

    also:
    In "Eisenhower’s Death Camps"
    https://codoh.com/library/document/2281/?lang=en

    The Suppressed History of Crimes committed on German soldiers in WWII. Conclusion
    https://codoh.com/library/document/4510/?lang=en
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  239. @Anon
    Israel err the Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi-entity is completely incompetent. I mean 45 people killed in Gaza over tha past month !!!

    Take a cue from your neighbors , fake khazar Jew boys . Assads father killed 25,000 in Hama in just one months time . Hafez Assad , the original lion of Damascus was a capable and noble chap. You Izrahellis can only manage 45 killed in a month !!! Incompetent.

    The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million , a feat the juvenile Izrahellis will not acheive .

    Even the lowly Sudanese have managed to genocide over a million in Darfur and South SudAn and rape a similar number. 45 killed in one month is a joke . FK the incompetent Anglo-Ashke-Zio-Nazi blood matzah holocaust fakers !!!!

    “The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million…”

    If only there were an easy way to assess which side posed the bigger threat to civilians in the “civil war” in Syria — Assad’s government, or the jihadis…

    For instance, if we were to look at which direction internal refugees flee — toward areas controlled by the moderate terrorists, or toward government-controlled areas. I wonder what that would show?

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    They flow to Germany !!!!!!!
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  240. @Fed up goy
    It's not only the military that's been infiltrated. The whole damn JUSA govt is owned and controlled by the Talmudic extremists.
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  241. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal
    "The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million..."

    If only there were an easy way to assess which side posed the bigger threat to civilians in the "civil war" in Syria -- Assad's government, or the jihadis...

    For instance, if we were to look at which direction internal refugees flee -- toward areas controlled by the moderate terrorists, or toward government-controlled areas. I wonder what that would show?

    They flow to Germany !!!!!!!

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    Clearly English is not your first language. Please allow me to assist:

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/internal

    You're welcome.
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  242. peterAUS says:
    @Svigor

    Let’s assume, for the moment, that much smarter people than you, me or anyone on this site already tackled that problem and came up with proper solutions.
     
    No. It's too easy to use that as a fig-leaf for something that could easily be best explained as a simple legacy; that's how we started out doing it (because that's how our role models did it), and the real reason is simple inertia. Which would not be a bad reason, btw; I think the AR-15 will be the go-to first world combat/sporting rifle platform for many years to come (even if/when the US military replaces it), simply because it would cost far too much money to replace it, for marginal gains - and I'm fine with that.

    P.S., in my experience, there's really nothing I can't get the gist of, if someone intelligent enough is explaining it. If a smart person can't articulate ideas so that competent but less intelligent people can at least get the gist, he either doesn't understand the issue, or he's trying to "blind with science," i.e., he's trying to make the subject seem obscure, to play up his own brilliance, pull off an appeal to authority fallacy, etc.


    Boils to really simple thing: “white collar” vs ” blue collar”.

    You can have a hero warrior unable to command a brigade.
    You can have a brilliant corps staff officer unable to lead a fireteam.
     

    True, but I don't see how two tracks provides a better solution. I can also see how you could have a heroic commissioned officer unable to command a brigade, and a brilliant non-com unable to lead a fireteam.

    I mean, I "get" the basic idea of coms as leaders, and enlisted as techs. I'm just not sure I'm sold on it as needed.


    Civilian analogy:
    You can have a master craftsman unable to manage a medium size corporate.
    You can have a brilliant CIO unable to change spark plugs.
     
    Yeah, I was thinking something similar earlier, but does this really argue for two tracks? Does it really solve the problems you're pointing out? That master craftsmen could be a better leader of men and public speaker than his CEO, too. And if the CEO had the training, he might excel the craftsman at his trade.

    I’m just not sure I’m sold on it as needed.

    Are you sold on the model of US society?

    That’s the basis of all this.
    Solve that and military model will solve itself; it’s simple extension of society.

    THAT is why I see IDF model as very interesting.
    It is the first world country organized along lines of Western democracies, but, it has “people’s” army.
    And it’s, although small, rather effective.
    Swiss too, but one could argue that Swiss have no real enemies. Well, for IDF, quite the contrary. It’s as real as it gets there.

    One wonders what would happen if The Empire’s, I mean, U.S./West military is organized along the same lines. Would we bee seeing all these endless occupations and expansions? Which, again, sounds bizarre because IDF is seen, even in West, as expansionist and occupational force.

    I guess that the concept of “skin in the game” would change a lot in that case. As long as lower classes do all the dying, being crippled and/or mutilated it’s O.K. I guess.

    Everybody likes to point to high casualties of IDF in the latest round in Lebanon.
    Now, what most don’t even see is the ratio officers/”enlisted”. Take a look. Then compare that to the casualty rate/ratio in any US engagement since ’91. Draw, then, the CLASS structure there. You’ll get, if you want, some interesting facts there. Maybe even a certain, quite uncomfortable, truth.

    Anyway, that’ll just get worse in years to come. That class ratio I mean.

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    The IDF's offensive arm is the IAF which is certainly not any type of "People's Force".
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  243. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery
    {The noble and regal regime of Bashar Assad , the heir apparent to the throne of Damascus has now killed over half a million....}

    If you are going to lie, at least lie semi-convincingly so as to have some chance of possibly changing the minds of a few unz.com readers who do not know. When you repeat the Neocon lie that current president Assad has supposedly killed ~500,000 Syrians, you expose yourself as a liar.

    It is a provable fact: the estimated ~500K Syrian killed during the 6 year war, which was started by foreign warmongering meddlers (US,UK, France, Turkey, KSA, Israel,.....), and thence prolonged by cannibalistic foreign trained, foreign equipped, foreign funded terrorist scum, were NOT killed by Assad or the Syrian government.

    During 2011-2013, MOST of those killed were Syrian government troops and Government employees. As the war progressed, and SAA got better, and Iranian and Russian aid started coming in, SAA started killing more ISIS scum than losing their own men in battle: Nice.
    Most of the Syrian civilians killed and murdered were killed by foreign terrorist invaders and ISIS throat-cutters. Your Israeli buddies infamously have been providing medical aid to wounded ISIS scum, and then sending them back into Syria to murder more Syrian civilians.

    So your entire post is worthless and bogus.

    btw: your "Izrahellis", etc shtick (get it? shtick) is very convincing. For sure majority of unz.com readers believe you are _not_ an Israeli propagandist. For sure.

    shtick ha, nice touch using jew words , guess you arent really a goyim and trying to prove you are really a hasbara rat ?

    I like Assad . He proved he is far superior to Jews and Israhell who will never dare go up against Assad in war. Assad can massacre 25,000 battle hardened jihadis and civilians in only 1 month while Israhell can only kill 44 kids and zero adults in a months time ha.

    Assad + Iran army + Russian army + hezballa + 80,000 strong afghan shia militia only took 6 years to half beat ISIS scum. Israel could not half beat ISIS scum with 50 years time !!!!

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    { ..... goyim ....... hasbara.... }

    How original.

    {.....Israhell.....}

    There you go again: trying too hard to convince - who really? - that you are _not_ a lousy Israeli propaganda and disinformation rat-fink.
    Pathetic.
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  244. @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just curious: Is there anything that, in your opinion, Hitler or the Nazis did wrong between 1933 and 1945?

    Perhaps some slightly different questions might be more productive, such as:

    Was the propaganda produced during WW2 by the Allies 100%, absolutely, entirely truthful?

    Did they tell any lies, or exaggerate in any way in this propaganda? If so, what were some of the most egregious lies and exaggerations?

    What was the purpose of SHAEF’s Psychological Warfare Division?

    Why did Orwell base the “Ministry of Truth” in 1984 on the British “Ministry of Information,” where he worked during the war?

    Were any representatives from neutral countries (Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal, Spain, etc.) involved in the Nuremberg “trials” as prosecutors, judges, etc.? Or was the whole thing run by the combatants from one side of the war? Does the answer to this question tell you anything about the objectivity of the trials?

    The head Soviet judge at Nuremberg, Iona Nikitchenko, was also the main judge at the Moscow trials in during Stalin’s Great Purges of 1936 to 1938. According to The Narrative, one of these sets of trials was a model of impartial, fair jurisprudence, and the other consisted of “show trials” motivated solely by paranoia, hatred, and the desire to punish enemies (real and perceived). Which was which, and why? How could a man change so completely? Or did those Trotskyite-Zinovievite wreckers go to a much-deserved fate for their crimes at the hands of an impartial, objective Soviet justice system, after all?

    Who was charged with the Katyn massacre at Nuremberg, and when did the truth finally come out? (despite massive forensic evidence, contemporaneous neutral witness testimony at the time of the discovery of the bodies, etc.)
    What does the answer tell you about the power of a consistently-promoted narrative to overcome truth?

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  245. @Anon
    They flow to Germany !!!!!!!

    Clearly English is not your first language. Please allow me to assist:

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/internal

    You’re welcome.

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    Internal refeugees means people without the wherewithal to get to Germany, ie they have no choice ,they are being corralled not fleeing to a place of their choosing. Assad corals the sunnis and non shiites to the border or kills them . Shias/Alawites stay in gov controlled areas to bolster Assad . Ethnic cleansing they call it.
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  246. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal
    Clearly English is not your first language. Please allow me to assist:

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/internal

    You're welcome.

    Internal refeugees means people without the wherewithal to get to Germany, ie they have no choice ,they are being corralled not fleeing to a place of their choosing. Assad corals the sunnis and non shiites to the border or kills them . Shias/Alawites stay in gov controlled areas to bolster Assad . Ethnic cleansing they call it.

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    Now you're making some progress with basic word definitions, however slight. Very good.

    However, your hypothesis that Assad somehow "forces" refugees to run from headchopper-controlled areas to Syrian government-controlled areas seems to be lacking a plausible mechanism, to say the least. Mental telepathy? Some new form of magnetism that acts on human flesh, rather than ferrous metals? Do tell.

    Because, in the absence of some sort of scientific breakthrough that would account for this magical coercively-attractive force, the obvious explanation is the correct one -- people run from the "moderate" Salafist terrorists, and towards the government-controlled areas, because the headchoppers are a far greater threat to their safety.
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  247. @Anon
    Orhodox Christian Josef Stalin. Goyim killing goyim .

    1. The Bolshevik coup took place in 1927? Who knew?

    Back in the real world, of course, millions were tortured and massacred by the Bolsheviks prior to that. Who was responsible for these Communist atrocities?

    (((Trotsky))), (((Lenin))), (((Kamanev))), (((Zinoviev)))…
    And the shekels to finance it came from (((Jacob Schiff))), of course.

    2. Everyone involved in the massacre of the Tsar and his family, from Lenin on down, was a MOT.

    3. Overseas Israelis were massively overrepresented at the retail level in the crimes of Bolshevism as well, of course. The secret police (Cheka/ OGPU/ NKVD) torturers and murderers were largely Jewish.

    3. Stalin was much-loved and promoted by the Tribe prior to their split with him in about 1948-50, of course. By both the diaspora and Jews in the USSR. Would many of them have preferred Bronstein? Sure. Did that stop them from backing Stalin? No.
    Let’s give some credit to Kaganovitch, Yagoda, Ilya Ehrenburg, etc. here.

    Stalin’s Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR, Kevin MacDonald’s review of Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century is a decent review for one as wholly unfamiliar with this topic as you appear to be. Svigor already linked to it, and also to a much shorter review of the topic from those ebil naahtzees at ynet news.

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    Does any of that word salad change the fact that Josef Stalin was an orthodox Christian?

    They dont call them "Stalin's purges" for nothing ........
    , @AKAHorace
    This thread was about how the Israeli army is organized.

    Not about if the Israeli state is right compared to Assad, who was responsible for Stalins purges, whether the holocaust happened or not, or if the Jews or the Italians are responsible for crucifying Jesus nor if the Russians or the Jews are responsible for killing the Tsar. Or even if the Jews killed Serge Skripals cat.


    The slightest mention of Israel pulls the Jew haters out of the wood work on Unz.com. Oy Vey. (whoops, revealing my true colours).

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  248. @Anon
    Internal refeugees means people without the wherewithal to get to Germany, ie they have no choice ,they are being corralled not fleeing to a place of their choosing. Assad corals the sunnis and non shiites to the border or kills them . Shias/Alawites stay in gov controlled areas to bolster Assad . Ethnic cleansing they call it.

    Now you’re making some progress with basic word definitions, however slight. Very good.

    However, your hypothesis that Assad somehow “forces” refugees to run from headchopper-controlled areas to Syrian government-controlled areas seems to be lacking a plausible mechanism, to say the least. Mental telepathy? Some new form of magnetism that acts on human flesh, rather than ferrous metals? Do tell.

    Because, in the absence of some sort of scientific breakthrough that would account for this magical coercively-attractive force, the obvious explanation is the correct one — people run from the “moderate” Salafist terrorists, and towards the government-controlled areas, because the headchoppers are a far greater threat to their safety.

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    They would all prefer to go to Germany and Germany would prefer it as well. Assad prefers an Alawite dominated Shia state so the Sunnis and &c. are coralled out of the country and Shias &c. are of course settled in gov controlled areas.**ethnic cleansing** Salafi , Shia , Alawite , ISIS , Iran ......none of it matters. All are comitting atrocities.ISIS beheads ,Assad drops bombs . Assad is being propped up by a regime that cleared mine fields with handcuffed orphans , hanged Moma Mahmudinejad and 18 other female bahai school teachers from cranes in public execution.
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  249. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal
    1. The Bolshevik coup took place in 1927? Who knew?

    Back in the real world, of course, millions were tortured and massacred by the Bolsheviks prior to that. Who was responsible for these Communist atrocities?

    (((Trotsky))), (((Lenin))), (((Kamanev))), (((Zinoviev)))...
    And the shekels to finance it came from (((Jacob Schiff))), of course.

    2. Everyone involved in the massacre of the Tsar and his family, from Lenin on down, was a MOT.

    3. Overseas Israelis were massively overrepresented at the retail level in the crimes of Bolshevism as well, of course. The secret police (Cheka/ OGPU/ NKVD) torturers and murderers were largely Jewish.

    3. Stalin was much-loved and promoted by the Tribe prior to their split with him in about 1948-50, of course. By both the diaspora and Jews in the USSR. Would many of them have preferred Bronstein? Sure. Did that stop them from backing Stalin? No.
    Let's give some credit to Kaganovitch, Yagoda, Ilya Ehrenburg, etc. here.

    Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR, Kevin MacDonald's review of Yuri Slezkine's The Jewish Century is a decent review for one as wholly unfamiliar with this topic as you appear to be. Svigor already linked to it, and also to a much shorter review of the topic from those ebil naahtzees at ynet news.

    Does any of that word salad change the fact that Josef Stalin was an orthodox Christian?

    They dont call them “Stalin’s purges” for nothing ……..

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    They were all just modern people who had leaped ahead of the witchburners and thought there might also be scope for expunging royalty and hereditary landowning nobility who had to be forced to give up serfdom well within living memory......
    , @Svigor
    Stalin's purges of Jews were pretty late in the game. Until then, there they were, a-mass-murderin' and a-genocidin' and a-gulagin' White Christians...
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  250. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal
    Now you're making some progress with basic word definitions, however slight. Very good.

    However, your hypothesis that Assad somehow "forces" refugees to run from headchopper-controlled areas to Syrian government-controlled areas seems to be lacking a plausible mechanism, to say the least. Mental telepathy? Some new form of magnetis