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It is one of the great ironies that the United States, a land mass protected by two broad oceans while also benefitting from the world’s largest economy and most powerful military, persists in viewing itself as a potential victim, vulnerable and surrounded by enemies. In reality, there are only two significant potential threats to the U.S. The first consists of the only two non-friendly countries – Russia and China – that have nuclear weapons and delivery systems that could hit the North American continent and the second is the somewhat more amorphous danger represented by international terrorism.

And even given that, I would have to qualify the nature of the threats. Russia and China are best described as adversaries or competitors rather than enemies as they have compelling interests to avoid war, even if Washington is doing its best to turn them hostile. Neither has anything to gain and much to lose by escalating a minor conflict into something that might well start World War 3. Indeed, both have strong incentives to avoid doing so, which makes the actual threat that they represent more speculative than real. And, on the plus side, both can be extremely useful in dealing with international issues where Washington has little or no leverage, to include resolving the North Korea problem and Syria, so they U.S. has considerable benefits to be gained by cultivating their cooperation.

Also, I would characterize international terrorism as a faux threat at a national level, though one that has been exaggerated through the media and fearmongering to such an extent that it appears much more dangerous than it actually is. It has been observed that more Americans are killed by falling furniture than by terrorists in a year but terrorism has a particularly potency due to its unpredictability and the fear that it creates. Due to that fear, American governments and businesses at all levels have been willing to spend a trillion dollars per annum to defeat what might rationally be regarded as a relatively minor problem.

So if the United States were serious about dealing with or deflecting the actual threats against the American people it could first of all reduce its defense expenditures to make them commensurate with the actual threat before concentrating on three things. First, would be to establish a solid modus vivendi with Russia and China to avoid conflicts of interest that could develop into actual tit-for-tat escalation. That would require an acceptance by Washington of the fact that both Moscow and Beijing have regional spheres of influence that are defined by their interests. You don’t have to like the governance of either country, but their national interests have to be appreciated and respected just as the United States has legitimate interests within its own hemisphere that must be respected by Russia and China.

Second, Washington must, unfortunately, continue to spend on the Missile Defense Agency, which supports anti-missile defenses if the search for a modus vivendi for some reason fails. Mutual assured destruction is not a desirable strategic doctrine but being able to intercept incoming missiles while also having some capability to strike back if attacked is a realistic deterrent given the proliferation of nations that have both ballistic missiles and nukes.

Third and finally, there would be a coordinated program aimed at international terrorism based equally on where the terror comes from and on physically preventing the terrorist attacks from taking place. This is the element in national defense that is least clear cut. Dealing with Russia and China involves working with mature regimes that have established diplomatic and military channels. Dealing with terrorist non-state players is completely different as there are generally speaking no such channels.

It should in theory be pretty simple to match threats and interests with actions since there are only a handful that really matter, but apparently it is not so in practice. What is Washington doing? First of all, the White House is deliberately turning its back on restoring a good working relationship with Russia by insisting that Crimea be returned to Kiev, by blaming Moscow for the continued unrest in Donbas, and by attacking Syrian military targets in spite of the fact that Russia is an ally of the legitimate government in Damascus and the United States is an interloper in the conflict. Meanwhile congress and the media are poisoning the waters through their dogged pursuit of Russiagate for political reasons even though nearly a year of investigation has produced no actual evidence of malfeasance on the part of U.S. officials and precious little in terms of Moscow’s alleged interference.

Playing tough to the international audience has unfortunately become part of the American Exceptionalism DNA. Upon his arrival in Warsaw last week, Donald Trump doubled down on the Russia-bashing, calling on Moscow to “cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran.” He then recommended that Russia should “join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and in defense of civilization itself.”

The comments in Warsaw were unnecessary, even if the Poles wanted to hear them, and were both highly insulting and ignorant. It was not a good start for Donald’s second overseas trip, even though the speech has otherwise been interpreted as a welcome defense of Western civilization and European values. Trump also followed up with a two hour plus discussion with President Vladimir Putin in which the two apparently agreed to differ on the alleged Russian hacking of the American election. The Trump-Putin meeting indicated that restoring some kind of working relationship with Russia is still possible, as it is in everyone’s interest to do so.

Fighting terrorism is quite another matter and the United States approach is the reverse of what a rational player would be seeking to accomplish. The U.S. is rightly assisting in the bid to eradicate ISIS in Syria and Iraq but it is simultaneously attacking the most effective fighters against that group, namely the Syrian government armed forces and the Shi’ite militias being provided by Iran and Hezbollah. Indeed, it is becoming increasingly clear that at least some in the Trump Administration are seeking to use the Syrian engagement as a stepping stone to war with Iran.

As was the case in the months preceding the ill-fated invasion of Iraq in 2003, all buttons are being pushed to vilify Iran. Recent reports suggest that two individuals in the White House in particular have been pressuring the Trump administration’s generals to escalate U.S. involvement in Syria to bring about a war with Tehran sooner rather than later. They are Ezra Cohen-Watnick and Derek Harvey, reported to be holdovers from the team brought into the White House by the virulently anti-Iranian former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

Cohen-Watnick is thirty years old and has little relevant experience for the position he holds, senior director for intelligence on the National Security Council. But his inexperience counts for little as he is good friend of son-in-law Jared Kushner. He has told the New York Times that “wants to use American spies to help oust the Iranian government,” a comment that reflects complete ignorance, both regarding Iran and also concerning spy agency capabilities. His partner in crime Harvey, a former military officer who advised General David Petraeus when he was in Iraq, is the NSC advisor on the Middle East.

Both Cohen-Watnick and Harvey share the neoconservative belief that the Iranians and their proxies in Syria and Iraq need to be confronted by force, an opportunity described by Foreign Policy magazine as having developed into “a pivotal moment that will determine whether Iran or the United States exerts influence over Iraq and Syria.” Other neocon promoters of conflict with Iran have described their horror at a possible Shi’ite “bridge” or “land corridor” through the Arab heartland, running from Iran itself through Iraq and Syria and connecting on the Mediterranean with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

What danger to the U.S. or its actual treaty allies an Iranian influenced land corridor would constitute remains a mystery but there is no shortage of Iran haters in the White House. Former senior CIA analyst Paul Pillar sees “unrelenting hostility from the Trump administration” towards Iran and notes “cherry-picking” of the intelligence to make a case for war, similar to what occurred with Iraq in 2002-3. And even though Secretary of Defense James Mattis and National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster have pushed back against the impulsive Cohen-Watnick and Harvey, their objections are tactical as they do not wish to make U.S. forces in the region vulnerable to attacks coming from a new direction. Otherwise they too consider Iran as America’s number one active enemy and believe that war is inevitable. Donald Trump has unfortunately also jumped directly into the argument on the side of Saudi Arabia and Israel, both of which would like to see Washington go to war with Tehran on their behalf.

The problem with the Trump analysis is that he has his friends and enemies confused. He is actually supporting Saudi Arabia, the source of most of the terrorism that has convulsed Western Europe and the United States while also killing hundreds of thousands of fellow Muslims. Random terrorism to kill as many “infidels and heretics” as possible to create fear is a Sunni Muslim phenomenon, supported financially and doctrinally by the Saudis. To be sure, Iran has used terror tactics to eliminate opponents and select targets overseas, to include several multiple-victim bombings, but it has never engaged in anything like the recent series of attacks in France and Britain. So the United States is moving seemingly inexorably towards war with a country that itself constitutes no actual terrorist threat, unless it is attacked, in support of a country that very much is part of the threat and also on behalf of Israel, which for its part would prefer to see Americans die in a war against Iran rather that sacrificing its own sons and daughters.

Realizing who the real enemy actually is and addressing the actual terrorism problem would not only involve coming down very hard on Saudi Arabia rather than Iran, it would also require some serious thinking in the White House about the extent to which America’s armed interventions all over Asia and Africa have made many people hate us enough to strap on a suicide vest and have a go. Saudi financing and Washington’s propensity to go to war and thereby create a deep well of hatred just might be the principal causative elements in the rise of global terrorism. Do I think that Donald Trump’s White House has the courage to take such a step and change direction? Unfortunately, no.

 
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  1. Jake says:

    The title of the article tells it all.

    Saudi Arabia is THE worst nation in the Middle East.

    Why does the US follow along blindly? Well, it is a WASP thing. We are the new Brit Empire. By the height of the Victorian era, virtually all English Elites were philoSemitic. Roughly half of the UK WASP Elite philoSemitism was pro-Jewish and half was pro-Arabic/Islamic.

    And by the time of WW1, the English Elite pro-Arabic/Islamic faction came to adore the house of Saud.

    So, our foreign policy is merely WASP culture continuing to ruin most of the rest of the world, including all the whites ruled by WASP Elites.

  2. Windwaves says:

    Great article. Trying to spread the word but sadly in a country fully controlled by the jews it is pretty hard.

    • Replies: @Eileen Kuch
  3. US foreign policy is simple.

    Zionist Emperor goes thumbs up or thumbs down on whatever nation based on his own interests.

    That’s about it.

  4. In reality, there are only two significant potential threats to the U.S. The first consists of the only two non-friendly countries – Russia and China – that have nuclear weapons and delivery systems that could hit the North American continent and the second is the somewhat more amorphous danger represented by international terrorism.

    No, the only threats are the following three:

    Too many Meso-Americans invading from the border. These people have totally changed the SW and may drastically alter parts of US as well. This is an invasion. Meso-Americans are lackluster, but Too Many translates into real power, especially in elections.

    The other threat is Hindu-Indian. Indians are just itching to unload 100s of millions of their kind to Anglo nations. Unlike Chinese population that is plummeting, Indian population is still growing.

    The other threat, biggest of all, is the Negro. It’s not Russian missiles or Chinese troops that turned Detroit into a hellhole. It is Negroes. And look at Baltimore, New Orleans, Selma, Memphis, Oakland, St. Louis, South Side Chicago, etc.

    Afromic Bomb is more hellish than atomic bomb. Compare Detroit and Hiroshima.

    Also, even though nukes are deadly, they will likely never be used. They are for defensive purposes only. The real missiles that will destroy the West is the Afro penis. US has nukes to destroy the world, but they haven’t been used even during peak of cold war. But millions of Negro puds have impregnanted and colonized white wombs to kill white-babies-that-could-have-been and replaced them with mulatto Negro kids who will turn out like Colin Kapernick.

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2017/07/pattern-recognition-great-sin-than.html

    The real missile gap is the threat posed by negro dong on white dong. The negro dong is so potent that even Japanese women are going Negroid and having kids with Negro men and raising these kids as ‘Japanese’ to beat up real Japanese. So, if Japan with few blacks is turning like this, imagine the threat posed by Negroes on whites in the West.

    Look at youtube of street life and club life in Paris and London. Negro missiles are conquering the white race and spreading the savage genes.

    Look how Polish women welcomed the Negro missile cuz they are infected with jungle fever. ACOWW will be the real undoing of the West.

    • Agree: Z-man
  5. Wally says:

    The US govt. does what “that shitty little country” tells them to do.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  6. RobinG says:

    #UNRIG adds AMERICA FIRST, NOT ISRAEL to Agenda.
    ……………….”A.I.P.A.C.. you’re outta business!”

    Due to slanderous attacks by a Mossad internet psy-op, Steele now prioritizes Israeli malign influence on US. Also, check out Cynthia McKinney’s twitter.

    #UNRIG – Robert David Steele Weekly Update

    • Replies: @Durruti
  7. MEexpert says:

    In reality, there are only two significant potential threats to the U.S. The first consists of the only two non-friendly countries – Russia and China – that have nuclear weapons and delivery systems that could hit the North American continent and the second is the somewhat more amorphous danger represented by international terrorism.

    You forgot the third significant potential threat from a friendly nation, i.e. Israel. Israel will sabotage any effort to normallize relations with Russia or even Iran. They will resort to false flag operations to start a war with Iran.

    The problem with this White House, as well as the previous ones, is that none of the so-called experts really understand the Middle East. The US is not interested in having friendly relations with all nations. All her efforts are towards one goal, the world domination. Even if President Trump wanted to normalize relations with Russia, the MSM, the democrats, as well as, his republican opponents will not let him. That is why the constan drumbeat of Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election despite the fact that no proof has been given so far. Similarly, the “Iran has nuclear weapons” narrative is constantly repeated, the reports by IAEA and the 17 Intelligence Agencies to the contrary not withstanding.

    The elevation of Muhammad bin Salman to the Crown Prince position will only make the Middle East situation worse. Israel will be able to manipulate him much more easily than the old guard.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  8. The western world is dependent on oil, especially ME oil.
    Saudi Arabia was made the USA’s main oil supplier at the end of 1944.
    The Saud dynasty depends on the USA.
    That the Sauds would sponsor terrorism, why would they ?
    And which terrorism is Muslim terrorism ?
    Sept 11 not, Boston not, Madrid and London very questionably.
    We then are left with minor issues, the Paris shooting the biggest.
    That Saudi Arabia is waging war in Yemen certainly is with USA support.
    The Saudi army does what the USA wants them to do.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  9. Mr. Giraldi, you forgot to mention Israel as one of America’s biggest liabilities besides Saudi Arabia. But with such amateur dramatics in the White House and on the Security Council, the US is destined for war but only against the wrong enemy such as Iran. If the Saudis and the right-wing Netanyahu regime want to get after Iran they should do it alone. They surely will get a bloody nose. Americans have shed enough blood for these rascal regimes. President Trump should continue with his rapprochement towards Russia because both nation states have more in common than expected.

  10. I’m a little disappointed in this article. Not that it’s a bad article per se: perfectly rational, reasonable, academic even. But unfortunately, it’s simply naive.
    “Realizing who the real enemy actually is and addressing the actual terrorism problem would not only involve coming down very hard on Saudi Arabia rather than Iran, it would also require some serious thinking in the White House about the extent to which America’s armed interventions all over Asia and Africa have made many people hate us enough to strap on a suicide vest and have a go.”
    Realize who the real enemy is ? Come down hard on the Saud’s ? No — really ?
    The titanic elephant in the room — that US foreign policy is not governed by “rationality” but by “special interests” seems ….missing. Israel, the Saudi’s themselves, the MIC & so on & so forth ARE the special interests who literally “realise” US Policy.

    • Replies: @Druid
  11. Paul says:

    Well, the real enemy of the people are the real terrorists behind the scenes. Those who planned the 9/11 false flag. Those who sent the Anthrax letters to resisting congress members. Those who pre-planned the wars of aggression in the whole middle east.

    So any appeal to the “White House” is almost pointless since the White House is one element of the power structure captured by the war-criminal lunatics.

    To change something people in the US should at first stop buying their war criminal lying mass media.

    Then they should stop supporting ANY foreign intervention by the US and should stop believing any of the preposterous lies released by the media, the state dept., or any other neocon outlet.

    Actually Trump was probably elected because he said he was anti-intervention and anti-media. But did it help?

    The US needs mass resistance (demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, non-participation, sit-ins, grass-root information, or whatever) against their neocon/zionist/mafia/cia power groups or nothing will change.

    We need demonstrations against NATO, against war, against false flag terrorism, against using terrorists as secret armies, against war propaganda!

    B.t.w. Iran has always been one of the main goals. Think of it: Why did the US attack Afghanistan and Iraq? What have those two countries in common? (Hint: a look on the map helps to answer this question.)

    • Agree: truthtellerAryan
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Corvinus
  12. Realist says:

    “The White House is targeting Iran but should instead focus on Saudi Arabia”

    Trump has no control of most government functions, particularly foreign affairs. The Deep State takes care of that for him. The Deep State has been calling the shots for decades and all Presidents who weren’t assassinated have complied. Democracies never work and ours quit long ago.

  13. Chad says:

    I fully agree that attacking Iran would be yet another disaster but I don’t understand why Saudi Arabia is portrayed as an ‘enemy’, the ‘real’ one, no less, in alt-media circles like this.

    I mean let’s be honest with ourselves. KSA is the definition of a vassal state. Has been so since the state established established relations with the USA in the 1940s and the status was confirmed during the 1960s under King Faisal. Oil for security.

    Why pretend that they have any operational clearance from the US?

    Contrary to the popular view, Wahabism is necessary to keep the local population under control. Particularly the minority Shia population who live along the eastern coast, an area, which incidentally also has the all the oil reserves.

    USA fully understands this. Which is why they not only tolerated Wahabism, but strongly promoted it during Afghan jihad. The operation was by and large very successful btw.

    It was only during the ’90s when religion became the new ideology for the resistance against the empire across the Muslim world. Zero surprise there because the preceding ideology, radical left wing politics was completely defeated. Iran became the first country in this pattern. The Iranian left was decimated by the Shah, another vassal. So the religious right became the new resistance.

    And as far as the KSA is considered, Wahabi preachers aren’t allowed to attack the USA anyway. If any individual preacher so much as makes a squeak, he will be bent over a barrel. There won’t be any “coming down very hard on Saudi Arabia” because USA already owns that country.

    So what’s the answer? Well, props to Phillip as he understood – “it would also require some serious thinking in the White House about the extent to which America’s armed interventions all over Asia and Africa have made many people hate us enough to strap on a suicide vest and have a go.”

    Bingo.

    • Replies: @Jake
  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    That’s most of unz.com summed up in a single sentence!

  15. The casus belli of America’s hostility towards Iran is the 3000 year old grudge that the Jews have been holding against Persia.

  16. Z-man says:
    @Priss Factor

    Besides what Priss Factor said above the following is to be reinforced with every real American man, woman and child.

    Israel, which for its part would prefer to see Americans die in a war against Iran rather that sacrificing its own sons and daughters.

    Israel, the REAL enemy!

    • Agree: anarchyst
  17. eah says:

    The WH should focus on the USA.

  18. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The BIGGEST threat to the USA is from within, as we are nothing more than an occupied colony of Apartheid Israel, paying that bastard state tributes each year in the form of free money and weapons, political backing at the UN, and never tire of fighting her wars of conquest.

    You won’t see Israeli troops in the streets, since their confederates control the economy thru their control of the FED and US Treasury and most of those TBTF banks, which we always bail out, no matter the cost.

    The also have a choke-hold on Congress, which is always eager to wag their tail and hope their Yid Overlord gives them a treat and not a dressing-down in the Jew MSM, which is a career killer.

    The WH is also Israeli territory, especially now with a Jew NYC slumlord now Trump’s top adviser and his fashion model faux Jew daughter egging Daddy on to kill more Arab babies, since she can’t stand the sight of dead babies.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  19. @Paul

    I am beginning to get interested in why some people are sure 9/11 was a false flag affair covered up by a lot of lies. So may I try my opening question on you. How much, if any of it, have you read of the official 9/11 commission report?

  20. Sowhat says:
    @eah

    And what grudge is that? The only two I can find are connected. The deposing of our puppets, the Assads and the nationalization of their natural resources. I have the impression that it removes around future hegemon and the rich gas reserves off their coast and the decades long desire to run a pipeline west to the Mediterranean.

  21. anarchyst says:

    Israel’s current “agreements” and its “kowtowing” to Saudi Arabia speaks VOLUMES. Once again, Israel is about to get others to do their “dirty work” for them.
    The point that everybody seems to miss is the fact that Judaism and Islam are inextricably linked. In fact, one could safely argue that Islam is an arabicized form of Judaism.
    1. Both Judaism and Islam promote their own forms of supremacy, relegating non-adherents as “lesser human beings”, or in Judaism’s take “no better than livestock, albeit with souls, to be used for the advantage of the jew”.
    2. Both systems proscribe lesser (or no) punishment for those of each respective “tribe” who transgress against “outsiders”–goyim or infidels. Both systems proscribe much harsher punishments against “outsiders” who transgress against those of each respective “tribe”.
    3. When it comes to “equality under law”, Israel is no better than Saudi Arabia, as a jew who has a disagreement with an “outsider” will always have the advantage of a judicial system which almost always rules for the jew.
    4. Both Judaism and Islam have taken it upon themselves to be arbiters of what the rest of the world should follow, demanding that “outsiders” conform to what THEY believe, thinking that they know what is best (for the rest of us). Just look at the demands moslems (who are guests in western Europe) make of local non-moslem populations.
    Read the jewish Talmud and islamic Koran…you will find virtually identical passages that demonize and marginalize those of us who are “goyim” or “infidels”.
    A pox on both their houses…

  22. bjondo says:

    SA is the tail wagged by US.
    US is the tail wagged by internal Jew.
    Israel/Jewry the enemy of all.

    Terrorism is Israeli weapon to take down Sunnis and Shias.

    US is Israel’s go-to donkey.

    Sauds gone tomorrow if wished. And they may be with Arabia broken into pieces. Yinon still active.

    • Agree: L.K
  23. Agent76 says:

    June 7, 2017 We Have Met the Evil Empire and It Is Us

    Life in America was pure injustice, the lash and the iron boot, despite the version of history we have been given by the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations who “re-invented” America and its history through taking control of public education in the late 1940s. You see, the multi-generational ignorance we bask in today is not unplanned. The threat represented by advances in communications and other technology was recognized and dealt with, utterly quashed at birth.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/06/07/we-have-met-the-evil-empire-and-it-is-us/

  24. @anarchyst

    Now before I say what I’m going to say I want to say that Israel has the right to define and defend her interests just as China, Russia and USA do, as Geraldi says above. No nation or people can be denied this (without force).

    Having said that, I am grateful to you, anarchyst, for having pointed out the familial similarities between Islam and Judaism. In addition to what you say there is the fact that the Jewish genome is virtually identical to that of the Palestinians–except for that of Ashkenazi Jews who are more than half European.

    As far as I can see, Ashkenazi Jews have an existential choice. They can identify with their European half whereby they acknowledge that the Greeks and not Moses made the greatest contributions to humanity (and more particularly, their humanity) or they can go with their atavistic Semitic side and regress to barbarism. Science, Logic, Math, History, Architecture, Drama and Music or blowing up Buddhas and shrouding your women. Take your pick.

    Of course, this is sorta unfair in as much as they were kicked out of Europe and now dwell in the ME where if they try to act like Europeans they will be persecuted by their neighbors as apostates. The Jews do indeed have a tough row to hoe.

  25. virgile says:

    Trump is torn between Israel’s permanent need to weaken its powerful neighbors (Iraq, Iran) and the necessity to protect the USA from terrorists attacks.

    Iran is an hypothetical threat to Israel, Saudi Arabia has proven to be a threat to the world.

  26. Saudi Arabian Manal al-Sharif is the latest (((MSM))) media darling; she wrote a book about being imprisoned for driving in Saudi Arabia. She is attempting to expand a movement to strike down the Saudi ban on women driving. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/09/opinion/sunday/saudi-arabia-women-driving-ban.html

    At the same time, (((MSM))) gleefully focuses on Iranian women who are wearing white hijab in protest of restrictions on women’s attire in Iran. http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/05/24/why-women-and-some-men-in-iran-are-wearing-white-headscarves-on-wednesdays/

    I think these women ought to get together.

    In Iran, women drive.

    In Tehran and other Iranian cities including Iran’s holiest, that is, most conservative cities like Mashad. there are taxi companies owned and run by women.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/turnstyle/iranian-women-take-the-wh_b_879041.html

    Tehran traffic makes NYC look like Mayberry RFD; many Iranians use small motorcycles to commute and take care of daily chores. It’s not at all uncommon to see an Iranian woman in full chador driving a motorcycle with a child and parcels in tow.

    Iranian women could offer to teach the women of Saudi Arabia to drive.

    What could Saudi women teach Iranian women?

  27. @Wizard of Oz

    A better question: Have YOU read The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation by Phillip Shenon?

  28. Why is is so difficult to avoid this ugly term ‘regime’? Does it really add anything to the discourse?

  29. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There’s no alternative to Saudi royal family rule of the peninsula. Who’s there to replace them? Any other group, assuming there might be one somewhere waiting in the wings, would probably be anti-American and not as compliant as the Saudis. They’ve spent gigantic sums in the endless billions buying military equipment from the US, weapons they can’t even fully use, as a way of making themselves indispensable customers. Many other billions of petrodollars find their way westward into our financial systems. They collaborate with the US in various schemes throughout the Muslim world using their intelligence services and money in furtherance of US goals. They live the royal life thanks to being able to use the money from their nation’s resource wealth as their own personal kitty, living in palaces, buying obscene amounts of jewelry and other luxury goods, and so on. They’ll never give that up and being a close ally of the US affords them protection which of course they pay for. They may be seen as an enemy by the average person but not at the elite level with whom they all consort and roll around in the money with.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @ThreeCranes
  30. bjondo says:
    @anarchyst

    Jews/Judaism bring death, destruction, misery.

    Muslims/Islam (minus Western creation of “Muslim”terrorists) brought golden ages to many areas.

    Christianity and Islam elevate the human spirit. Judaism degrades.

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @henry_bowman
  31. LondonBob says:

    http://mihsislander.org/2017/06/full-transcript-james-mattis-interview/

    Mattis still seems stuck with his Iran obsession. Shame I thought he had the intellectual curiosity to adapt.

    Trump has good instincts, I hope Tillerson comes to the fore, and Bannon stays influential.

  32. Don Bacon says:

    Iran is US enemy #1 not only because it is against that country smaller than New Jersey with less people (Israel) but also because Iran has been a model for other countries to follow because of its intransigence to US oppression and attacks, financial political and cyber. As the world becomes multi-polar, Iran’s repeated wise reactions to the world hegemon have been an inspiration to China and others to go their own way. The US can’t stand that.

  33. Corvinus says:
    @Paul

    “Well, the real enemy of the people are the real terrorists behind the scenes. Those who planned the 9/11 false flag.”

    Adjust tin foil hat accordingly.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  34. K says:
    @Priss Factor

    India is looking to unload hindus to U.S? Quite the opposite. India is ‘losing’ its best brains to the U.S so its trying to attract them back to their country. For eg: The chief- architect of IBM’s watson is a hindu indian and so is the head of IBM’s neuro-morphic computing. These people are advancing western technology…. civilian and also defense (IBM is collaborating with the american defense organisation DARPA) instead of helping india achieve technological competence. And most of other super intelligent indians also india is losing them to the west.

    (i dont hate the west for doing that. Any country in amercia’s place would have done the same. It is india’s job to keep its best brains working for it and not for others. And india is trying its best to do that albeit unsuccessfully.)

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  35. @Jake

    SECOND worst,my friend.

    • Agree: Delinquent Snail
  36. Jake says:
    @Chad

    Your analysis starts too late. The US supports Wahhabism and the House of Saud because the pro-Arabic/Islamic English Elites of 1910 and 1920 and 1935 supported Wahhabism and the House of Saud.

    The British Empire ‘made’ the House of Saud,

    Thinking it wise to use Wahhabism to control Shia Islam is like thinking it wise to use blacks to control the criminal tendencies of Mexicans.

  37. Durruti says:
    @RobinG

    Nice action approach to cure ills of society.

    Enclosing copy of flier we have distributed – with a similar approach at a cure.

    *Flier distributed is adjusted & a bit more attractive (1 sheet – both sides).

    The key is to Restore the Republic, which was definitively destroyed on November 22, 1963.

    Feel free to contact.

    Use this, or send me a note by way of a response.

    For THE RESTORATION OF THE REPUBLIC

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles…”

    The above is a portion of the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson.

    We submit the following facts to the citizens of the United States.

    The government of the United States has been a Totalitarian Oligarchy since the military financial aristocracy destroyed the Democratic Republic on November 22, 1963, when they assassinated the last democratically elected president, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and overthrew his government. All following governments have been unconstitutional frauds. Attempts by Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King to restore the Republic were interrupted by their murder.

    A subsequent 12 year colonial war against Vietnam, conducted by the murderers of Kennedy, left 2 million dead in a wake of napalm and burning villages.

    In 1965, the U.S. government orchestrated the slaughter of 1 million unarmed Indonesian civilians.

    In the decade that followed the CIA murdered 100,000 Native Americans in Guatemala.

    In the 1970s, the Oligarchy began the destruction and looting of America’s middle class, by encouraging the export of industry and jobs to parts of the world where workers were paid bare subsistence wages. The 2008, Bailout of the Nation’s Oligarchs cost American taxpayers $13trillion. The long decline of the local economy has led to the political decline of our hard working citizens, as well as the decay of cities, towns, and infrastructure, such as education.

    The impoverishment of America’s middle class has undermined the nation’s financial stability. Without a productive foundation, the government has accumulated a huge debt in excess of $19trillion. This debt will have to be paid, or suffered by future generations. Concurrently, the top 1% of the nation’s population has benefited enormously from the discomfiture of the rest. The interest rate has been reduced to 0, thereby slowly robbing millions of depositors of their savings, as their savings cannot stay even with the inflation rate.

    The government spends the declining national wealth on bloody and never ending military adventures, and is or has recently conducted unconstitutional wars against 9 nations. The Oligarchs maintain 700 military bases in 131 countries; they spend as much on military weapons of terror as the rest of the nations of the world combined. Tellingly, more than half the government budget is spent on the military and 16 associated secret agencies.

    The nightmare of a powerful centralized government crushing the rights of the people, so feared by the Founders of the United States, has become a reality. The government of Obama/Biden, as with previous administrations such as Bush/Cheney, and whoever is chosen in November 2016, operates a Gulag of dozens of concentration camps, where prisoners are denied trials, and routinely tortured. The Patriot Act and The National Defense Authorizations Act, enacted by both Democratic and Republican factions of the oligarchy, serve to establish a legal cover for their terror.

    The nation’s media is controlled, and, with the school systems, serve to brainwash the population; the people are intimidated and treated with contempt.

    The United States is No longer Sovereign

    The United States is no longer a sovereign nation. Its government, The Executive, and Congress, is bought, utterly owned and controlled by foreign and domestic wealthy Oligarchs, such as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and Duponts, to name only a few of the best known.

    The 2016 Electoral Circus will anoint new actors to occupy the same Unconstitutional Government, with its controlling International Oligarchs. Clinton, Trump, whomever, are willing accomplices for imperialist international murder, and destruction of nations, including ours.

    For Love of Country

    The Restoration of the Republic will be a Revolutionary Act, that will cancel all previous debts owed to that unconstitutional regime and its business supporters. All debts, including Student Debts, will be canceled. Our citizens will begin, anew, with a clean slate.

    As American Founder, Thomas Jefferson wrote, in a letter to James Madison:

    “I set out on this ground, which I suppose to be self evident, ‘that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living’:”

    “Then I say the earth belongs to each of these generations, during it’s course, fully, and in their own right. The 2d. Generation receives it clear of the debts and incumberances of the 1st. The 3d of the 2d. and so on. For if the 1st. Could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not the living generation.”

    Our Citizens must restore the centrality of the constitution, establishing a less powerful government which will ensure President Franklin Roosevelt’s Four Freedoms, freedom of speech and expression, freedom to worship God in ones own way, freedom from want “which…means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peace time life for its inhabitants…” and freedom from fear “which…means a world-wide reduction of armaments…”

    Once restored: The Constitution will become, once again, the law of the land and of a free people. We will establish a government, hold elections, begin to direct traffic, arrest criminal politicians of the tyrannical oligarchy, and, in short, repair the damage of the previous totalitarian governments.

    For the Democratic Republic!
    Sons and Daughters of Liberty
    [email protected]

    • Replies: @RobinG
  38. Scholars at Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ. https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

    are studying US states and ranking them according to financial stability measures. The states with biggest problems — Illinois, California, New Jersey, Connecticut — are in the mess they are in largely because of pension liability issues: some pensions are unfunded or underfunded.

    I recall that ten years ago about a dozen Jewish organizations formed the “Iran Task Force,”** whose primary activity was to persuade managers of State pension funds to divest from Iran-connected companies; that is, corporations & banks, etc. that did business with Iran. I recall very clearly that Arnold Schwartznegger was the poster child for California’s vanguard role in divesting from such nasty nasty companies, in accord with the wishes of Jewish Israel-firsters.

    Perhaps the Mercatus scholars could prepare an exercise in alternative financial history: What shape would the US economy, and the various States’s economies, be in if the US were NOT so overwhelmingly influenced by Israel firsters, and were NOT persuaded, Against Our Better Judgment, to entangle themselves in Israel’s nefarious activities?

    ____
    ** The 2007 Iran Task Force is NOT the same as the group formed in 2015 or so, embedded in US House/Senate, with Joe Lieberman and Michael Hayden playing prominent roles in attempting to influence the Iran Deal.

    The 2007 initiative was sponsored by groups such as ZOA, RJC, AIPAC, etc., and / or spun off groups such as Foundation for Defense of Democracy, United Against Nuclear Iran.

  39. @K

    India is looking to unload hindus to U.S?

    Yes, India would love to do what Mexico and Central American nations do to the US on a daily basis.
    Dump its surplus population on other nations.

    Yes, there is brain drain, but most Indian engineers are NOT genius-material. Indian education system is so corrupt that many dimwits get degrees. Also, most high-tech Indian workers in the US do grind work.

    Anyway, where do you see India trying not to stem emigration of its people?

    India loves Hindus taking over parts of Canada and Austra;ia.

    • Replies: @K
  40. Talha says:
    @anarchyst

    Hey anarchyst,

    Judaism and Islam are inextricably linked.

    Yes – as are Christianity and Islam.

    In fact, one could safely argue that Islam is an arabicized form of Judaism.

    Arguments aren’t that compelling, but sure, there are plenty of parallels.

    Both Judaism and Islam promote their own forms of supremacy, relegating non-adherents as “lesser human beings”

    Can’t speak much for Judaism, but I’ve not heard the “lesser human being” shtick in Islam. Though you are right, there are certain rights not accorded to non-Muslims in Muslims lands like; being able to marry our women, hold head-of-state office, etc. Now this was also the historic norm in Christendom – a Jew or Muslim or Pagan was not accorded the same equal rights in places like the Carolingian or Byzantine Empires – and they certainly knew how to run things according to Christian norms. The idea of exact equal rights for all citizens is a fairly new concept (in the world actually).

    If Islam is not the supreme framework of the land – something else will be (secularism, tribalism, etc.). That’s how social organization works. When Muslims reach a majority in an area, they will try to institute Islam as the framework that gets top-billing* – usually this is called democracy. But part of the Islamic framework is safeguarding the rights of non-Muslim citizens (which does not mean making them legally equal in every way to Muslims).

    Both systems proscribe lesser (or no) punishment for those of each respective “tribe” who transgress against “outsiders”–goyim or infidels.

    Examples? I can tell you what one of the latest great Hanafi scholars, the Levantine Ottoman Imam Ibn Abidin (ra) wrote in his 30 volume Radd ul-Muhtar (as explained by Shaykh Muhammad Yacoubi [ra] in is great book “Refuting ISIS”):
    “Imam Kamal al-Din Ibn al-Humam went further and said, ‘Backbiting him [a dhimmi] is unlawful just as backbiting a Muslim is unlawful.’ Ibn ‘Abidin adopted this opinion in his sub-commentary known as Radd al- Muhtar, explaining that oppression against a non-Muslim citizen is worse, saying that it is ‘because with the contractual dhimma (pact) everything obligatory towards [one of] us is obligatory towards him, so if backbiting a Muslim is impermissible then backbiting him is [also] impermissible. In fact, they [scholars] said that oppression against a non-Muslim citizen is worse.’ Ibn Hajar al-Haytami mentioned the
    same in his book entitled ‘Deterrents from Committing Enormities’. The Prophetic statements prohibiting oppression against non-Muslim citizens are mass-transmitted and beyond doubt (mutawatir).”

    Israel is no better than Saudi Arabia

    Possibly. Saudi is hardly the pre-eminent example of the best of what the Ummah has to offer as far as legal systems. Places like Jordan, Malaysia, etc. are much better.

    demanding that “outsiders” conform to what THEY believe

    No – we don’t care – that’s why we have had parallel legal systems for non-Muslims for centuries called the millet system. The Mughals didn’t even prevent sati as long as the widow was voluntarily doing it – the British Raj ended the practice.

    Just look at the demands moslems (who are guests in western Europe) make of local non-moslem populations.

    What are these demands exactly? The ability to marry multiple wives? Cover one’s hair?

    Muslims in the West have been granted equal citizenship – thus they are asking for rights accorded to them as equal citizens under the Western legal framework.

    Look, you have a couple of options:
    1) Keep virtue signalling about how awesomeness equality-under-the-law in the West is – and then deal with the consequences.
    2) Strip Muslims of citizenship (including converts) and ship them out or downgrade it or put in legal safeguards that keep political control in non-Muslim hands – then stop patting yourself on the back about equality-under-the-law.

    Trying to do both is insipid – your choice, your future. You can also simply out-breed Muslims in the West and make sure they never become a majority – good luck.

    passages that demonize and marginalize those of us who are “goyim” or “infidels”

    The Qur’an has many passages and was revealed during a time when there was war taking place – so of course certain passages are going to come out no-holds-barred. If you want to go to war with Muslims – expect to get your face punched in, hard – we don’t do the turn-the-other-cheek stuff when it comes to that. Other passages talk about treating non-Muslims with equity and justice**:
    “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of a people make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just! That is next to piety – and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” (5:8)

    Peace.

    *Which is what the Iraqis did immediately after reconstituting their government:
    “Article 2:
    First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:
    A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.
    B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.
    C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this constitution may be established.
    Second: This Constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice such as Christians, Yazedis, and Mandi Sabeans.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101201450.html

    **No passage that I can think of tells Muslims to be close to non-Muslims the same as they do with “brothers in the faith”. Because that is exclusive to the brotherhood of the believers – which anyone can and is welcome to join at anytime for free – with immediate full-enfranchisement (in other systems one must wait for full-enfranchisement). But this does not mean we cannot treat them without justice or be friendly with them.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Moi
  41. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    There’s no alternative to Saudi royal family rule of the peninsula. Who’s there to replace them?

    This is a good point. They are armed to the teeth – I don’t think it is in anyone’s interest for that state to simply fall apart and its arms get dispersed all over the place. Now – from a historical perspective – that area was usually ruled (though it had a fair amount of autonomy) – either from historical Iraq, Syria or Egypt – its complete independence (especially in the hands of the tribes from the Najd) is very recent.

    Maybe we can hope for reform – though I’m not holding my breath. You know how palace politics is – some younger prince (who has a better moral sense) gets sick of the corruption and executes a bloodless coup while the king is in Paris or something. It can happen.

    Of course, there’s always the Mahdi…

    Peace.

  42. Nothing, of course.

    When I still trusted the USA government I read the Warren Report on the murder of Kennedy.
    A few years later I read Whitewash.
    Harold Weisberg, ‘Whitewash – the report on the Warren Report’, 1965, 1966, New York
    I then knew that reading official USA reports is a waste of time.

    At the time I did not know that I could have known this already:
    Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A critical examination of the foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath’, Caldwell, Idaho, 1953
    The book is mainly about the 1946 congressional investigation of Pearl Harbour.
    The democratic senators concluded that FDR did not deliberatly provoke Pearl Harbour, the republicans concluded that he did.
    That FDR did has been confirmed now over and over again.

    PNAC of AEI asked for ‘a new Pearl Harbour’, Bush jr provided it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  43. Sean says:

    “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

    Why surely the US should attack itself as the threat to world peace. Then there will be an end to all war on Earth. or so Mister Giraldi seems to think

  44. K says:
    @Priss Factor

    ”Yes, India would love to do what Mexico and Central American nations do to the US on a daily basis.
    Dump its surplus population on other nations.”

    What makes you think that?

    ”Yes, there is brain drain, but most Indian engineers are NOT genius-material. Indian education system is so corrupt that many dimwits get degrees. Also, most high-tech Indian workers in the US do grind work.”

    And those dim-wits mostly stay in india, while the smarter ones migrate to the west. And if programming is grunt work, so are most office jobs in other sectors. Also, there are many indians in r&d of many universities, That is grunt work too? There are many doctors of indian-origin in the states, that is grunt work too?

    I am guessing you are of chinese descent based on this sentence of your’s from your previous comment’ ”Unlike Chinese population that is plummeting, Indian population is still growing.”. It means you are trying to reducing hatred towards chinese among americans by projecting india as evil in the eyes of the people here. Its a shame actually as indians rarely do that to china, while most chinese regularly do that to india. Always trying to use india as a ‘shield’ when anybody points out anything negative about china.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  45. RobinG says:
    @Durruti

    BREAKING NEWS: ZIONIST CONTROLLED MEETUP BANS #UNRIG

    Like he says, you can’t make this stuff up.
    “MeetUp embraces #RESIST, most of whose chapters were created by the Zionist front, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and then turns around and bans us, fortunately before we spent any money or time setting up the 435 chapters. This is a clear example of how social media is controlled. #RESIST is a seditious movement calling for the impeachment of our legitimately-elected President, and in the words of Loretta Lynch, “blood in the streets.””

    http://phibetaiota.net/

  46. K says:

    ”India loves Hindus taking over parts of Canada and Austra;ia”

    Taking over? Go to canada and australia and see the behaviour of indians and chinese over there, and you will know who is trying to take over those countries.

    Look i dont want to talk negative about china, so dont provoke me.

  47. anarchyst says:
    @Talha

    No matter how you “slice it”, Islamic dhimmitude” IS third-class citizenship and is NOT acceptable in western society. All one has to do is to look at the “no go” zones in many European cities where those “not of the faith” are routinely harassed and yes, even murdered. The demands that the (now) dominant culture change for the “guests” (who came here uninvited) is a large problem. It sure looks like they don’t “do as the Romans do”, and want to impress their 14th-century ways on the rest of us…If they want to bring their backward 14th-century ways to the west, they might as well stay in their own countries. We don’t need them here…
    Judaic supremacy is much more refined and insidious, jews demanding their right to live as a separate culture while insisting that “the rest of us” accept cultural genocide by pushing pornography, cultural debasement, “multiculturalism” and “diversity” on the rest of us…while bribing our leaders and infiltrating our government and public institutions while screaming “muh holocaust™ and six-million” when they encounter those of us who KNOW the truth about their lies and devious behavior.
    I stand by my statements that both Judaism and Islam are foreign political and social system that have no place in western society. adherents to these systems should be required to register as “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State department, pending review of their cases for mandatory deportation.

  48. Moi says:
    @bjondo

    And you might add that Islam honors Christ as a great prophet while Judaism heaps abuse upon him.

    • Agree: Z-man
  49. In the end, the power decides.

    It used to be the US military used to be the bastion of Anglo-Conservative Right-Wing power. And anti-communism was strong not just among Republicans but Cold War Liberals.

    To many Jews and Hollywood progressive types, this state of affairs was dangerous. So, they made movies like SEVEN DAYS IN MAY.

    But now, the US military is just a big bad toy of the globalists. Progs learned to love the Bomb. They have become like Turgidson and Strangelove.

    And what they loathe most is any part on Trump to work for peace in Syria and with Russia.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Sean
  50. Moi says:
    @Talha

    You might have added that Islam is the only religion to recognize the prophets of other religions (Moses, Christ) and, in fact, Islam says that God has sent prophets to all people on earth–so although we cannot be certain, because they are not mentioned in the Quran, Confucius and Buddha, and shamans also could have been prophets from the Islamic viewpoint.

    • Replies: @Talha
  51. wraith67 says:

    I’m not sure that saying Shi’ite sponsors of terror are “less bad” than the Sunni sponsors of terror is a distinction with a difference. There’s not a good side to take. Unlikely that we’ll pursue anything militarily with Iran, at least in the near term. SOF is stretched to the breaking point thin, you can only spend 270+ days a year deployed in war zones for so long before exiting the military. We recently lost a Ranger on his 14th deployment, and 20+ service members are killing themselves a day. It takes stacks of regular military to go anywhere and we’re currently in five different conflicts – there’s not a lot of room for major engagements with our current end strength. Undoubtedly somebody in the Air Farce thinks that something can be done by air, but short of using tactical nukes, we’re not going to do much to any facilities we’re concerned about.

    • Replies: @Talha
  52. @Jake

    Saudi Arabia is THE worst nation in the Middle East.

    Why does the US follow along blindly? 

    The petrodollar. We have so debased our currency that the only thing propping it up is the Saudi’s agreement to conduct its petroleum business using the US dollar.

    Now if you want to know who is responsible for the debasement of the US currency, look at which ethnic group benefits the most.

  53. Talha says:
    @anarchyst

    IS third-class citizenship

    Nonsense – it is second-class – how did you magically skip a class?

    NOT acceptable in western society

    Not now – was before – and might be again.

    routinely harassed and yes, even murdered

    Kick the thugs out – who’s stopping you? Why is the West coddling criminal elements among the Muslims – they certainly have no support from people like me. Punish them harshly. In fact – go shariah on them – that’ll teach them to misbehave.

    who came here uninvited

    My father stood in line and applied for a visa just like thousands of others like him. Was that a mistake on the part of the West? Maybe. But don’t make up stuff and say we’re invaders. Maybe some of the new military age males are coming out of Africa and the ME are that come without papers. Millions of us did everything by the books – your books.

    It sure looks like they don’t “do as the Romans do”

    Depends on what the Romans are doing – I like ice hockey, hot dogs and apple pie, but yeah – we’ll pass on the gay pride parades – thanks. European visitors to Muslim lands don’t exactly “do as the Muslims do”:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jordan+tourists&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOh7m6-YHVAhVP3WMKHUubDy8Q_AUICigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=morocco+tourists&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF_JbG-YHVAhVMHGMKHaalAmsQ_AUIBigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    We don’t need them here

    That’s cool – I outlined your options.

    adherents to these systems should be required to register as “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State department, pending review of their cases for mandatory deportation

    OK – so stop virtue signalling about equality-under-the-law and religious-freedom then.

    Peace.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Druid
    , @anarchyst
  54. @Priss Factor

    There you go again, Prissy Boy with that Negro jive… are you sure, you ain’t into loving one of them black missiles yourself, because it sure sounds like it… get some therapy!

    • Replies: @David
    , @ANON
    , @Priss Factor
  55. Talha says:
    @Moi

    Hey Moi,

    This is true – in fact – according to the Islamic narrative prophecy is NOT the monopoly of the Semites. The African, Native American, European, etc. people were sent prophets – we simply don’t know who they were, how many, or what happened to their message or how it was diluted.

    Peace.

  56. @anonymous

    Thanks for reminding everyone that the real reason the Saudis buy armaments from us is to repatriate some of those petrodollars into our coffers. This has been going on since the 1970′s when there were a couple of major runs on the dollar by foreign nations which scared the bejesus out of America’s central bankers. During the 70′s and maybe 80′s the Saudis bought half of all U.S. Treasuries. Now we import little Saudi oil so the Chinese and Japanese, with whom we run large trade deficits, each buy about a third.

  57. Z-man says:
    @Priss Factor

    Two of my favorite movies. Especially ‘Seven Days in May’. Definitely a lefty/Jew slant but well done. Douglas is great in the scene where he tells the POTUS and his senior advisors what he thinks is going on and why he’s been left out of those plans and the heated argument he has with the Sec. of State, George Macready. Genius.

  58. Talha says:
    @wraith67

    Hey wraith67,

    Unlikely that we’ll pursue anything militarily with Iran

    Yeah and even if the US did – we’d just be added to a long list of invaders that the Persians bounced back from. If the Mongols couldn’t shut them down for good, you can be sure they’ll bounce back from us.

    20+ service members are killing themselves a day

    This needs to be shouted in the face of all the arm-chair warriors that want to keep sending young soldiers (increasingly more women) into meat-grinders in the ME so we can “save face” or “prove our resolve” or some other nonsense.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  59. Sean says:
    @Priss Factor

    I think what they most fear is derailing of the border abolition agenda outlined by Hilary in her secret speeches to representatives of foreign elites and governments.

    Re. todays revelations about private contacts, Trump’s Russian fiasco shows him to be pathetically trusting of foreign elites and governments.

    He will need to turn on Russia for credibility over immigration.

  60. @jilles dykstra

    I reckon a grand deal has been made between KSA and Israel to the effect where in exchange for Greater Israel, the Saudis get to spread Islam across the globe (especially, the Subcontinent of India where they feel the work isn’t finished) and not just any strain of their creed but Wahabism, which would require neutralizing their greatest enemy, Iran and to actualize the plan, Israel calls upon the diaspora to not only soft pedal the Saudi image to the gullible American public but to actively assist in the plan. And one suspects, nothing is abhorrent to the ‘Semitic Brothers’ then the idea of Indo-European bond between the Persians and the West. Also, the fact Americans are ignorant of their own racist attitude towards Iran will help bring about their scheme handily. A day isn’t far when the desert rats will conquer the world, once the Whites are out of the picture and they can deal with the pliant Indian, the materialistic Chinese, the undeveloped Black and the clueless Latinh American. So, please hurry up and get off the pot for you ain’t gonna do the business to help yourselves and on the contrary, you have jeopardized the rest of the humanity by selling them down the river to the Levantines. May God have mercy on your souls!

  61. Art says:

    In reality, there are only two significant potential threats to the U.S. The first consists of the only two non-friendly countries – Russia and China – that have nuclear weapons and delivery systems that could hit the North American continent and the second is the somewhat more amorphous danger represented by international terrorism.

    Not to quibble – but may I finish that sentence?

    “amorphous danger represented by international terrorism instigated by the Jew matrix.”

    The seed, the kernel, the impetus behind the ME trouble is the 15,000,000 strong Jew matrix.

    For a 100 years the matrix has been pushing and coercing the world to get the ME in the trouble that it is in. Their goals are destabilizing the whole world. Instigating political divisions within societies, taking over national banks, shutting down free speech – is the matrix’s stock and trade.

    As a team – that is what Jews do. They make every argument into a political matter – then they take leadership of both sides. When they take over, they push extremes that can never be reconciled.

    After the Cold War ended, the world should be finding peace – we cannot because of the Jew matrix – period.

    Peace — Art

  62. @K

    You need not give any credence to that moron… ignore the ignoramus!

  63. @Johnny Smoggins

    It’s called going long… we forget nothing and forgive nothing!

  64. @eah

    Are you a simpleton? You sure sound like one…

  65. Paul2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I have read enough of it to see that it is a rather ridiculous something.

    It is not a criminalistic report. It is not scientific report. It is written like a novel !

    I mean just look at the TOC. Is that how you expect a report on the largest crime in the history of the US be structured?

    The commission report is ridiculous and basically just obfuscation, IHMO. It even starts with “we present the narrative”.

    Also, do you believe any of the stuff in the report?

    – Why is the collapse of WTC7 omitted?
    – Why is all the evidence regarding explosions in the WTC omitted?
    – What about the passport of Satam al Suqami? Do you believe that the his passport could be found unsinged after the plane had crashed into the WTC and exploded? Really?

    None of the really important basic investigative questions is answered in an acceptable manner.

    The first question should have been: What happened?

    For example: How did the buildings collapse? Why did they collapse in constant acceleration and even free fall speed? Why were they pulverized? Why were there fires on Ground Zero for months? Why were there such a high temperatures during the “collapse”? Etc.

    Also:
    Why was the steel illegally removed? Why was testing for explosives omitted illegally? Why did the BBC announce the collapse of WTC 7 before it had actually collapsed? Etc. etc.

    For more info:

    http://rethink911.org/evidence-building-7-twin-towers/#pagecontent

    http://911speakout.org

    http://www.consensus911.org

  66. @Talha

    I guess to co-opt diverse populations of the world to one’s own naive ideology dressed in finery of simplistic virtues, any Tom, Dick and Harry would be declared prophet worthy (Just imagine the gazillion dinars in gold rolling in before the oil bonanza from naive non-arabs into the piss-poor Arabia) … have you figured out the logistics involved in bringing people on a Hajj once a year, assuming you can sweet talk 7 billion into following your creed? And would Islam ease the restrictions on pork and growing of facial hair, considering the billion plus Chinese can’t fulfill one but love to eat the other?

    P.S. Surely the God must have known about the Middle Kingdom before dictating to his favorite…

    • Replies: @Talha
  67. Talha says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Hey Pachy,

    naive ideology

    Pffshwahahahaha! You mean the one that the polymaths of Persia did the heavy lifting to formulate?

    any Tom, Dick and Harry would be declared prophet worthy

    No – the prophets have a rank above all other human beings – do you have something against unadulterated transcendental monotheism?

    have you figured out the logistics involved in bringing people on a Hajj once a year, assuming you can sweet talk 7 billion into following your creed?

    Of course not – we’re waiting for the Swiss or Germans to become Muslim (maybe the Japanese) – they’ll figure it out for us.

    And would Islam ease the restrictions on pork and growing of facial hair, considering the billion plus Chinese can’t fulfill one but love to eat the other?

    No more than Islam would ease the restrictions on not eating cats and dogs. The religion translates to “submission (to the will of God)”. I don’t know where this mentality comes from that God needs to cater to human desires. You need Him, He doesn’t need you – He has declared certain parts of the animal kingdom off limits for human consumption (pigs, cats, dogs, weasels, bears, eagles, etc.) – deal with it. You think the Chinese would be the first people to give up eating pork?

    Plenty of Chinese Muslims (we’re talking Hui, not just Uighurs) can grow beards that would give ZZ-Top bouts of envy:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=hui+muslims&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTnf2qloLVAhVB-2MKHXuoBDIQ_AUICygC&biw=1344&bih=774

    the Middle Kingdom

    Who says they didn’t receive prophets and messengers?

    So why did someone among the Arabs receive the final revelation? Well, Divine justice would not have left them out as a nation:
    “[This is] a revelation of the Exalted in Might, the Merciful. That you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warned, so they are unaware.” (36:5-6)

    You may not like the answer, but it is internally coherent.

    Peace.

  68. David says:

    Does anyone have a good argument for why this is so: “The U.S. is rightly assisting in the bid to eradicate ISIS in Syria and Iraq..?”

  69. David says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    If anyone hasn’t already learned to use the “commenters to ignore” function, go to the top of the comments list and look for the button now. Your time is too precious to read another comment by… ctrl-c… ctrl-v… save list… done!

  70. Druid says:
    @animalogic

    Yes, rather shocking that he left out the biggest scumbags, the Israeli government!

  71. Druid says:
    @anarchyst

    Not true about Islam generally. True about a minority of Muslims! Prophet Mohammed said that the people closest to Muslims were Christians! Saudi Wahhabism does not represent the majority of Muslims who are not even Arab!

    • Replies: @ANON
  72. @Sowhat

    As a preliminary….is there a reason to treat the author of that as a witness of truth in contrast to others?

  73. @jilles dykstra

    “Bush Jr provided it”. That’s bizarre and confirms your lack of sense of human reality. Assume if you like that someone was setting up a false flag operation. No sane plotter is going to go near trying to get a member of tbe Bush family to associate himself with a plot involving the killing of many random Americans.

  74. Sparkon says:
    @Talha

    No – the prophets have a rank above all other human beings…

    You know this how?

    That belief is a requirement of your faith, but it is the antithesis of rational thought.

    • Replies: @Talha
  75. Talha says:
    @Sparkon

    Hey Sparkon,

    Sure it’s belief but nothing irrational about the concept that the very human beings that are Divinely guided and chosen to guide others are a cut above the rest.

    Sure one’s ego doesn’t want to hear that someone else is special, but so what?

    Peace.

  76. @NoseytheDuke

    Your reply confirms the strong impression that you, and nearly all commenters, give that you have not carefully read and assessed the official report but have plunged in to the issue with the reading of some sensational criticism. I have only read one chapter and have plunged in myself on purported responses or responses to responses that seem to illustrate odd facets of the diffusely suspicious mind (rather than the rationally sceptical mind of one used to assessing evidence and being tested on their assessments. Why should I give credit to the reading you recommend and why is it more reliable than other sources?

    I suspect that our host is going to be a little less flippant about 9/11 and may have turned his poweful intellect on it.

    Here I suggest are some starting points for the reality based who have no emotion involved (and I am at a loss to understand why you seem to be other than dispassionate).
    1. Start with the PNAC Pearl Harbour proposition so you can assume if you like that Israel and friends are happy to create a situation where America will use its forces to help Balkanise the ME to Istael’s strategic benefit. Not that Iran is not regarded as a major threat and breaking up Iraq is No.1;
    2. (a) Start with Al Qaeda being able to get a few dozen more or less educated jihadists to volunteer to do what the 19 are taken to have done and that putting together $500,000 to $1 million to finance it would be no problem given ObL’s maverick Saudi connections and his own money;
    (b) Start with multiple simultaneous attacks being an Al Qaeda pattern and the WTC already being a proven target since 1993;
    (c) Start with ObL’s asymmetric warfare ambitions to damage the US, and his knowledge of Vietnan in general and the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in particular;
    (d) Start with the near certainty that a 9/11 type event (no need for the towers to be actually destroyed on the day of the attack) will begin getting the US embroiled in Aghanistan.
    That’s it. Success.
    3. So Mossad monitors and subtly assists but where does this get them and their neo-con friends towards something that Israel wants? Actually potentially backwards if all it results in is America embroiled in Afghanistan and thoroughly put off wars in Muslim countries. Here surely is a huge hole in plausibility because the madness that led to an attack on Iraq could at best have been some young Mossad operative’s fantasy. And anyway, why would Israel want to give Iran the chance to dominate Iraq through its Shia majority?
    4. Have you read the stuff by architects and engineers for truth or whatever it is? I bet most of the signatories haven’t any more than you have! That’s the way such things go. Anyway I consulted the sort of high powered physicist who might have taught some of those engineers if they went to a top university and he confirmed that there was nothing odd about the way the towers fell given the magnitude of the vertical and horizontal vectors. Also he noted that the positioning of the structural steel supports on the outside edges meant that once a floor collapsed and the hundreds or thousands of tons above it pushed on down you would get what you saw.
    5. Assuming someone cut Larry Silverstein in on the crashes is it not absurd to suppose that he could or would count on being able to count on both towers being hit at just the right level for controlled demolitions? And aren’t controlled demolitions at the bottom of towers anyway? Of course.
    6. There are a whole lot of factoids that simpleminded obsessives latch on to but which, in most cases, only tend to disprove the false flag conspiracy because they presume that people smart and competent enough to pull off the essential stunt are going to risk raising unnecessary suspicions. WTC7 and the idea that no plane hit the Pentagon (apparently the tail piece with American Airlines logo on the grass was a theatrical prop!) or that hundreds of passengers and crew were somehow “disappeared” are such red herrings. And if one wants to insist on Mossad involvement and lots of Israeli art students behaving oddly I proffer you the thought that they were on a training exercise and it so clearly had nothing directly to do with 9/11 that it could have been clever smoke screen.

    My provisioal verdict. Osama bin Laden won big time. And the relative poverty and loss of soft power of the US since 9/11 has been an unintended boost to the power of China relative to the West. Russia too, but so what. The US is 20 years overdue in harnessing China and Russia to running the world sensibly but the US entertains just too many fantasies from elites to Trump supporters. No.1 the absurd idea thatit exemplifies democracy and has a model worth copying. I guess Australia and Switzerland are amongst the few bigger-than Scandinavian countries which almost give a good name to democracy and even in Oz the complacent sense of entitlement encouraged by the political careerist pros and Green lefties means opinion polls don’t show much support for democracy…. one up to Aussie realism?

    • Replies: @druid
  77. @bjondo

    You are mistaken. Christianity is the fulfilment of Messianic Judaism. That is, Christ Jesus, God in human flesh, was born a Jew. He is Lion of the tribe of Judah as in Jew. If you ascribe virtue to Christianity then it’s source must be also which is Biblical Judaism both Old and New Testament.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @bjondo
    , @Art
    , @druid
    , @ANON
  78. The USA has three enemies and they’re all inside here. AIPAC, Congress, and MSM. Orders might come from the Knesset and money from Arabs, but our true enemies are our own traitors, including whoever occupies the White House. Unfortunately there’s nothing the masses can do until we self-destruct.

  79. Svigor says:

    OMG GIRALDI U R OBSESSED WITH ISRAEL NOW SAUDI ARABIA TUUUU??????

    The title of the article tells it all.

    Saudi Arabia is THE worst nation in the Middle East.

    I dunno. The Saudis don’t have nearly the pull in America that Israel’s twin diaspora Jewry does. And they don’t use it to strangle white ethnonationalism in its crib, keep the borders open, enforce PC & psycho leftist narrative, dominate the MSM, etc. etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  80. Z-man says:
    @Svigor

    True, Israel and Internationalist Jewry are the enemy. Zing!

  81. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @henry_bowman

    Which however is a very different animal from Rabbinical or Talmudic Judaism. This latter is actually quite similar to Islam in its organizational structure and may very possibly have been its model.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  82. bjondo says:
    @henry_bowman

    This is from early Jews to Judaize Christianity. Infiltration, manipulation at the earliest date. Sorta like the Jacob Schiff Scofield Bible abomination.

    St. Paul considered the Old to be rubbish.

    The New is to save mankind from the Old which is the book of Satan and from Satan’s children who are Jew.

    The 2 books are 180 degrees apart, opposites which never should be together: hate vs love, vengeance vs mercy, never forget vs forgive, murder/genocide vs life, lies vs truth, greed vs sharing, theft vs honesty, etc.

    Jesus came against not to fulfill.

    Marcion and others tried to remove the Judaized portions of the New. Most Christians in the early years wanted nothing to do with the Old.

    And Jesus was not a Jew.

    Satan, so far, has been successful.

    Judging from your comment you too are a victim.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  83. Svigor says:

    Due to that fear, American governments and businesses at all levels have been willing to spend a trillion dollars per annum to defeat what might rationally be regarded as a relatively minor problem.

    The up side is that this fear can be leveraged against mass immigration in general, and Muslim immigration in particular.

    So if the United States were serious about dealing with or deflecting the actual threats against the American people

    they would CTRL-F through Giraldi’s article for “migr” and get 0 hits. Meaning, Giraldi’s not exactly trustworthy. He’s lying by omission.

  84. Svigor says:

    There are a lot of lying cunts writing for this site, to be honest. Granted, it’s a thoroughly dishonest zeitgeist we’re mired in.

  85. @Talha

    How convenient that the Swiss, Germans or Japanese will figure things out for the Arabs who seem to not know anything except religious mumbo jumbo and what a nonsense about the Chinese having to give up some cultural habit for one of most backward cultures because their god says so. You see, Talha, if there was the God you speak of then it would have given the Arabs more than the prophet… it would have given Arabs the ability to figure out problems that you need outsiders to solve. Of course, you get peace when you give peace… Pox upon all the Middle Eas and the snake oil salesmen that come out of it!

    • Replies: @Talha
  86. Svigor says:

    The single greatest threat to human civilization is the African population explosion. Which Unz writers are talking about that?

    Cunts.

  87. Art,

    I watched an episode of Fox T.V., “X Files.”

    In it, a Navajo Indian, Anaszai, spoke to Agent Mulder and said profoundly said, “Nothing disappears without a trace.”
    Appears the wise man never never heard the Zio ram horn for the 9-11 victim families who wanted to sue Saudi Arabia.

    Yes, your words, the reality of being in.the “Jew matrix.”

    The “X Files” signature motto was “Trust no one.” The goat is “tethered” and the West has forgotten the Lord’s prayer.

  88. Z-man says:
    @bjondo

    Yes, Jesus was not a Jew per se , he was/is the Son of God.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Anon
    , @anarchyst
  89. bjondo says:
    @anon

    Of course
    you are 100% guessing.

  90. @Corvinus

    Paul’s comment is completely rational while your comment reveals little more than that Corvinus would be a suitable name for a pet ostrich.

  91. Mikel says:
    @Talha

    The African, Native American, European, etc. people were sent prophets – we simply don’t know who they were, how many, or what happened to their message

    I think that it’s quite safe to assume that the unlucky prophets that were sent to Africa and Amerindia to preach the message of the Coran met a swift and bloody fate. Wrong time, wrong place.

    As for Europe, it depends on when and where exactly they showed up. But they certainly didn’t manage to leave any record of their presence so they probably didn’t fare much better than in the other two continents. In any case, Charles Martel left it clear to the messengers of Mohammed that we were not much interested, even though, being representatives of the Last Prophet, one presumes that they were somewhat more persuasive than the previous ones.

    • Replies: @Talha
  92. bjondo says:
    @Z-man

    Per se? Not a Jew in any sense. The exact opposite.

    Good does not come from evil. Good does not fulfill evil.

    Palestine area was the area inhabited by Satan and Satan’s spawn.

  93. @anarchyst

    I’d heartily vote for you based on this comment, but can someone named Anarchyst accept the vote? ;)

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  94. @Paul2

    Good comment Paul, thanks. The events of that day are surely the most outrageous of all and most likely able to trigger the will to unravel and root out the evil that has infected the US.

    Those who try to put up smokescreens and confuse the issue, like the HIQI Wiz, are traitors indeed.

  95. @Svigor

    Ron Unz invests his own money to provide this excellent and valuable forum for us to use at no cost and you disrespect him, this website and his readership by using such offensive language like that here. Save it for the bars that you frequent. You are disgusting!

    • Agree: Mark Green
  96. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man

    And He was also a Jew (certainly so by Jewish law), in the line of David. Most of the time people refer to Him as a Jew they are doing so tendentiously, to establish a nonexistent connection to modern Judaism, but the phrase is still correct.

  97. Wally says: • Website
    @Jake

    Still protecting “that shitty little country” I see.

    Well, it is a JEW thing.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories

    • Replies: @Z-man
  98. @NoseytheDuke

    As you don’t tolerate typos and I was finishing off my long comment in difficult circumstances I am glad to see that only correction needed to avoid puzzling misstatement is in the last sentence of numbered par. 1

    “Not” should read “Note” as I was drawing attention to its being Oraq rather than Iran tbat was the enemy then.

  99. Talha says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Hey Pachy,

    How convenient that the Swiss, Germans or Japanese will figure things out for the Arabs

    Isn’t it though? The Persians and Turks already had their turn at running things, I’m sure the Germans, Swiss and Japanese will provide excellent new ideas.

    religious mumbo jumbo

    Suggested reading:

    https://www.amazon.com/Incoherence-Philosophers-Brigham-Young-University/dp/0842524665

    about the Chinese having to give up some cultural habit

    If one just has to have pork for breakfast followed by fried cat in the afternoon and some boiled monkey liver with tea for an evening snack – you might want to look into another religion.

    it would have given the Arabs more than the prophet

    Why? That was plenty.

    it would have given Arabs the ability to figure out problems that you need outsiders to solve.

    Islam is false because the Qur’an doesn’t mention the best way to treat foot fungus or the blue prints for a steam engine – can’t argue with that logic.

    you get peace when you give peace

    And how!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  100. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Any honest understanding of American foreign policy must examine the huge role of Jewish influence.

  101. Art says:
    @henry_bowman

    If you ascribe virtue to Christianity then it’s source must be also which is Biblical Judaism both Old and New Testament.

    Oh my – Jesus was murdered because he was not faithful to Jew orthodoxy.

    The new and old testaments have very different views on god – one gives us a merciful and forgiving god – the other a mean vengeful god.

    Look at Israel – what is Christian about it – NOTHING — by all standards it is mean and cruel to the Palestinians.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. The 15,000,000 strong Jew Matrix is the opposite of Christianity.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  102. Talha says:
    @Mikel

    Hi Mikel,

    prophets that were sent to Africa and Amerindia preach the message of the Coran met a swift and bloody fate

    Why? Who says it was exactly the message of the Qur’an? Their messengers came with pure transcendental monotheism with a message for those people. They may have indeed been rejected or they may have been extremely successful – and the message was simply diluted or forgotten over time – we’ll eventually know on the Day of Judgement.

    But they certainly didn’t manage to leave any record of their presence so they probably didn’t fare much better than in the other two continents.

    No record we have found yet – but since much of Europe was late in becoming literate (as compared to some other places) – the message may have been completely oral in a proto-European language that is long forgotten. Again, they may have been successful and the message got messed up over time or the community of believers was overrun by Scythians, etc. – we can only speculate.

    But God never forgets His emissaries (pbut) nor their efforts and sacrifice no matter how many people followed them – they will all have the flags of honor in the afterlife:
    “The nations were displayed in front of me and I saw one prophet passing by with a large group of his followers, and another prophet passing by with only a small group of people, and another prophet passing by with only ten (followers), and another prophet passing by with only five (followers), and another prophet passed by alone…” – reported in Bukhari

    we were not much interested

    Sure, they already had a religion they were into – but the progeny of The Hammer seem not to be much interested in religion altogether now. When was the last great cathedral built in France or Germany in that beautiful Gothic style? Anything in the last few decades? Times change, people change…

    A poem by Goethe:
    Now he rolls
    O’er the plain in silvery splendor,
    And the plain his splendor borrows;
    And the rivulets from the plain,
    And the brooklets from the hillsides
    All are shouting to him: Brother,
    Brother, take thy brothers too,
    Take us to thy ancient Father,
    To the everlasting ocean

    Come ye all, then!
    Now, more proudly,
    On he swells; a countless race, they
    Bear their glorious prince aloft!
    On he rolls triumphantly,
    Giving names to countries. Cities
    Spring to being ’neath his foot.

    Onward, with incessant roaring,
    See! he passes proudly by
    Flaming turrets, marble mansions,
    Creatures of his fullness all.

    Cedar houses bears this Atlas
    On his giant shoulders. Rustling,
    Flapping in the playful breezes,
    Thousand flags about his head are
    Telling of his majesty.

    And so bears he all his brothers,
    And his treasures, and his children,
    To their Sire, all joyous roaring,
    Pressing to his mighty heart.

    http://www.bartleby.com/270/11/203.html

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  103. The real enemy is the shadow government, followed by Salafi Jihadist/Wahhabism, and other nuclear powers which are not part of the shadow government.

  104. The real enemy is domestic, democrats and neocons.

    Both of these cry-bully sub-human groups promote seditious contradictions to the US constitution and to common decency.

    If there is to be war, the war should be directed at democrats and neocons, the real enemy.

  105. Z-man says:
    @Wally

    Israeli occupied territories

    Funny but so true.

  106. anarchyst says:
    @Talha

    It is apparent that you missed my point…Islam and Judaism are not religions, but are all-encompassing political and social systems that govern every aspect of an adherent’s life. This is why they should be required to register as “agents of a foreign government”.
    As to “third-class” status, moslem women hold “second class” status as they are moslem. This makes “dhimmis” third-class…
    Regards,

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Talha
    , @anon
  107. @Talha

    The Persians would have been good had their true faith, that of Zoroaster, would have survived the animals of Arabia; a love of pig isn’t any different than the love of camel, besides, how would allah fare if the billion Chinese are left out of the grand plan. Enjoy the raisins, Mr. T!

    • Replies: @Talha
  108. @Priss Factor

    My thoughts exactly. This entire article could be summed-up as follows: Neocons Retain Full Control of US Foreign Policy.

  109. It is one of the great ironies that the United States, a land mass protected by two broad oceans while also benefitting from the world’s largest economy and most powerful military, persists in viewing itself as a potential victim, vulnerable and surrounded by enemies.

    French Ambassador to the US, Jules Jusserand had it figured-out back in 1910;

    “The United States was blessed among nations. On the north, she had a weak neighbor; on the south, another weak neighbor; on the east, fish; and on the west, fish.”
    –Jules Jusserand, French Ambassador to the US, 1910

  110. @MEexpert

    The problem with this White House, as well as the previous ones, is that none of the so-called experts really understand the Middle East.

    I disagree. The so-called experts (neocons) in control of US foreign policy have a very good understanding of the Middle East. Contrary to popular assumptions, destroying 6 Muslim countries in the Middle East, resulting in polluting predominantly white Western nations with dark-skinned 3rd-world immigrants was no blunder.

  111. @Wizard of Oz

    You mean the under-funded, long-delayed, 9/11 Commission Report chaired by chief neocon, Philip Zelikow? Yes, I’ve read it, and it’s fully as bogus as the Warren Commission Report, if not more so. With three of its members (Thomas Keen, Lee Hamilton & Max Cleland) admitting the report was a fraud due to members of the commission being denied access to numerous “secret” documents, as well as access to question supposed terrorist confined at Guantanamo Bay. Due to the Commission being an obvious whitewash, Rep. Max Cleland simply resigned his seat. Anyone with half a brain knows it’s a fairy tale – a complete and total fraud.

    https://www.sott.net/article/327726-What-neocon-architect-of-the-9-11-Commission-Report-Philip-Zelikow-did-to-maintain-the-big-lie

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  112. Miro23 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How much, if any of it, have you read of the official 9/11 commission report?

    All of it, and I accepted the Al Qaeda story along with the account of inter-agency bungling. It was only years later that I discovered that a third high rise collapsed that day (Building 7) in the same place and about which the report said nothing.

    I found that strange, and investigating Building 7 opened the door to the whole putrid reality. There are plenty of sources now, with some good ones being Chris Bollyn’s “Solving 9/11: The Deception the Changed the World https://www.amazon.com/Solving-9-11-Deception-Changed-World/dp/0985322586/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499866997&sr=8-1&keywords=bollyn.

    On the Florida side: Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta and the 9/11 Coverup in Florida https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0970659164/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499867168&sr=8-1&keywords=hopsicker

    The obvious failure of the official story: David Ray Griffin’s, Debunking 9/11 Debunking https://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1499867311&sr=8-3&keywords=debunking+9%2F11debunking

    It’s plain to see that US (Congress, administration, MSM and financial system) is dominated by a Mafia like crowd of criminal traitors.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  113. Agent76 says:

    Jun 6, 2017 America’s Reign of Terror: A Nation Reaps What It Sows

    The U.S. government is creating the terror. It is, in fact, the source of the terror. Just think about it for a minute: almost every tyranny being perpetrated against the citizenry—purportedly to keep us safe and the nation secure—has come about as a result of some threat manufactured in one way or another by the U.S. government.

  114. Svigor says:

    Ron Unz invests his own money to provide this excellent and valuable forum for us to use at no cost and you disrespect him, this website and his readership by using such offensive language like that here. Save it for the bars that you frequent. You are disgusting!

    Go fuck yourself. I didn’t say a word about Unz. I may not agree with Unz on everything, but I’d never impugn his honesty.

    Doesn’t change the fact that a lot of the writers on this site are lying cunts.

  115. Svigor says:

    Sailer has been.

    Yeah, obviously. Steve’s a hero on the issue, as he is on so many other issues. I’m sure a few others (Derb etc.) have too. But the rest, the Giraldis and the Roberts and the Cockburns and the Engelhardts and the Margolis = lying cowardly cunts.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ANON
    , @geokat62
  116. Finally somebody in the US seems to have actually read Trump’s Warsaw speech! It was, of course, a rather hilarious Hollywood-kitsch version of European and Polish history and it was almost entirely an anti-Russian diatribe. Poles know that the only alternative to the EU and NATO is the return of the Russian tanks. What the Poles wanted to know, therefore, was whether Trump would defend them, and their close cousins, the Ukrainians, against Putin and Trump seemed to be saying yes. Great, but what is Trump’s word worth? He says everything and the contrary of everything and he may well have told Putin the very opposite of what he told the Poles. As John McCain said recently, watch what he does, not what he says. The Russian Federation does indeed have national interests and they must be “appreciated and respected” but, as Mr Giraldi points out, so does every other country, in this particular case, Ukraine. Putin cannot define Russia’s “national interests” as including the right to violate the sovereignty of Ukraine or any other country. Europe put all that behind it in the Helsinki Final Act, which Putin has effectively scrapped. Thus, the first step for other countries to “appreciate and respect” Russia’s national interests is for Russia to do the same in regard to other countries, in particular Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Foolisholdman
  117. MEexpert says:
    @anarchyst

    Islam and Judaism are not religions, but are all-encompassing political and social systems that govern every aspect of an adherent’s life.

    I don’t know how you define religion but here is how Merrian-Webster dictionary defines religion.

    A personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

    or

    A cause, principle, or a system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

    You will find similar definitions of a religion in other dictionaries as well.

    At least to a Muslim, religion is the way of life and belief in one God is part of the religion. These beliefs may also include political and social systems, among other things.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  118. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Not everybody who wasn’t talking about nuclear war in 1946 was a woman’s front end. Chill out, bro. Sailer is probably, like, half the site traffic, right, man? And there are other things in the world that could use talking about; if you’re not interested you don’t have to read them.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  119. “the actual threat that they represent more speculative than real”

    That is because the “actual threat” is going the other direction. The US threatens them.

    It is the US seeking to set itself up as beyond any possible challenge, as the world hegemon without any “peer competitor” as Cheney put it, and as the idea still runs the US security state interests.

    The US genuinely sees that as a good thing, as a service, as bringing the gift of right and justice, as its White Man’s Burden. As always, many of those in whose “service” it is done don’t see it that way.

  120. stu piddy says:

    We have to wonder whether 911 was a joint Israeli/Saudi operation with cooperation by members of Phil Girardi’s CIA.

    I would include the CIA as one of the enemies of America along with Saudi Arabia.

  121. @Carroll Price

    This is just a preliminary nitpick but did the Keen, Hamilton and Cleland actually use the word fraud, or its cognates, to describe the report? If so can you please give me sources?

  122. Mikel says:
    @Talha

    the message got messed up over time or the community of believers was overrun by Scythians, etc. – we can only speculate.

    No, we can do much better than speculate like you. I offered evidence, logic and historical facts.

    It also doesn’t make any sense for Allah to employ prophets of such dissimilar preaching skills as you mention. If you’re going to send someone to convey a message of such crucial importance, choose a pro and not a loony that everybody will make fun of, by god’s sake.

    But the problem is more profound. As I’ve always said, if he really wanted us to follow his message, he wouldn’t waste his and our time with dubious messengers. He would just reveal himself to all of us, so that there’s no doubt that the message is for real, and voila, we’d all become his devout followers. Playing around with intermediaries and then punishing *us* with eternal hell because we couldn’t believe the inarticulate message that they left in a book clearly written for ancient camel herders is just silly.

    Best regards,
    Mikel

    • Replies: @Talha
  123. Old Jew says:

    Mr. Giraldi,

    On a subject dear to you, USS Liberty:

    A recent article in HAARETZ.com has the title:

    ‘But Sir, It’s an American Ship.’ ‘Never Mind, Hit Her!’ When Israel Attacked USS Liberty

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.800890

  124. Talha says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Hey Pachy,

    their true faith, that of Zoroaster, would have survived

    If you say so. When I lived in So Cal there was a Zoroastrian temple that I used to pass by on occasion – who’s stopping them from spreading their faith in the West? The Persians took on Islam completely and became its intellectual champions – even going so far as to codify the Arabic language (which was done by men like Sibawayh [ra], Fairuzabadi [ra], etc.):
    “It might be thought that a people, if forced, could submit outwardly to another pattern of life, but not that a people could be forced to contribute creatively and profoundly to this pattern unless it was transformed inwardly by the new way of life. The depth of the Islamization of Persia and the transformation of the very substance of its people’s soul by this process is best proved by the intensity of interest and the quality of the knowledge and the scholarship of the Persian scholars who played such a basic role in the development and even creation of so many Islamic sciences…”
    The Cambridge History of Iran, Volume 4

    Practically all the Sufi Orders trace themselves back through Persians.

    Persia was always a regional player due to her geography and she will always remain so – but Islam made her an influential force in the world which continues to this day.

    a love of pig isn’t any different than the love of camel

    A pig is an omnivore. Sure they look all nice and cute on the farm, but given the chance, a pack of feral pigs would tear you apart and eat you. Feeding them nothing but vegetables does not change their classification any more than a human who is a vegetarian magically loses omnivore status.

    The proper analogy is:
    A pig is to a bear or monkey what a camel is to a buffalo or antelope

    how would allah fare if the billion Chinese are left out of the grand plan

    Doesn’t affect Him a bit. What part of “you need Him, He doesn’t need you” does not compute?
    “…O my servants, you will not be able to cause harm to Me and you will not be able to cause benefit to Me.
    O my servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you, to become as pious as the most pious heart of anyone of you, that would not increase My kingdom in anything…” – reported in Muslim

    Do you think He is some super-hero in the sky whose energy meter goes up or down with how many people believe in Him?

    Besides, plenty of Hui seem to be doing quite well as Muslims and as Chinese (Hanafi school in the house!):

    https://www.economist.com/news/china/21708274-choosing-assimilation-chinas-hui-have-become-one-worlds-most-successful-muslim

    Enjoy the raisins, Mr. T!

    Thanks! Looking forward to having them hand fed to me by houris – hubba hubba!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Zenarchy
  125. @Miro23

    Well you have obviously donea lot of reading and I thank you for replying. However, my initial reaction was to your apparent reliance on the WTC7 story. My take is that
    (a) its collapse is prima facie counter to any unsavoiry comspiracy version because the necessatily clever plotters would not have added anything as irrelevant to the main story of symbolic attack on America
    (b) thete are indeed pictires of fires burning in WTC7 all day so eventually, aftet six or more hours the heat could have done the damage which (unless you believe WTCs 1 and 2 were demolished by explosives) brought down the twin towers much more quickly
    (c ) the claims about lack of precedent for steel framed buildings collapsing ignorws thw actual design of the WTC buildings
    (d) the attaching of significance to the apparent confusion of a BBC reporter as to what she has been told shows only naive ignorance of the realities of media and communications. (Has anyone written to the reporter to ask her whether she has perhaps got the most earth shattering info that needed following up? Nah it’s just an everyday blip in media reporting).

    I have looked at the links and I recall that my previous look at the work of Griffin and Bollyn ledt me unimpressed and I don’t see them as worth revisting as providing some reason to deny the essential part played by Al Qaeda recruits in the actual highjacking which applies even if they deserve some credit for fossicking out anomalies.

    I didn’t get a clear picture of what was being said about Atta but I do note the absurdity of American amateur theorists trying to make anything of what they take to be his unIslamic or otherwise inexplicable behavkour before his death.

    But I may have mistaken what you npw think the essence of the story is. My current preference is for a view which makes ObL the big winner and leaves any Israeli or neocon part as peripheral.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  126. Svigor says:

    Not everybody who wasn’t talking about nuclear war in 1946 was a woman’s front end. Chill out, bro. Sailer is probably, like, half the site traffic, right, man? And there are other things in the world that could use talking about; if you’re not interested you don’t have to read them.

    Just being honest: the world’s full of cowardly cunts.

    As for different subjects, mass immigration is obviously a big part of Giraldi’s subject here (American security), but he ignores it.

  127. Svigor says:

    MEexpert says:
    July 12, 2017 at 2:44 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @anarchyst

    Judaism isn’t a real religion. Real religions encourage proselytism & conversion, Judaism discourages both. Real religions are about beliefs and behavior, not tribalism or blood quantums. Don’t get me wrong, I’d have a tribal religion for my people much like Judaism is for Jews, but Judaism simply does not belong in the same breath as religions like Christianity or Islam.

  128. Talha says:
    @Mikel

    Hey Mikel,

    I offered evidence, logic and historical facts.

    Yes – whatever facts we have dug up now. You think you have the entire story – that’s fine. You can’t really expect me to believe that we’ve dug up everything that is to be known about human history can you? Today’s archaeological assumptions may be tomorrow’s joke. And besides – like I said, how do you find traces of an oral tradition that no longer exists? Now of course my stance is predicated on belief – that’s a given. But if you think you’ve poked a whole in it – sorry, nothing you have provided is other than speculation based on your own assumptions.

    He would just reveal himself to all of us

    Sure – people asked about this all the time before – nothing new. So then the words “belief ” and “faith” would be completely irrelevant.

    He sets the parameters of the game, we don’t. It’s His world, you play by His rules.
    “And We did not send before you, any of the messengers except that they ate food and walked in the markets. And We have made some of you as trial for others – will you not have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing.” (25:20)

    “Say: ‘If there were on the earth, angels walking about in peace and security, We should certainly have sent down for them from the heavens an angel as a Messenger.’” (17:95)

    As I said before – you don’t have to believe it, you don’t even have to like the way it’s set up, but you’re arguing with the wrong guy. Take it up with Him when you meet Him. Tell Him He should have done things this way and that, He should have given the message to this guy instead – and that you found His actions lacking merit. He might accept your line of reasoning…or not. Your afterlife, chief.

    clearly written for ancient camel herders

    This is clearly an opinion. Thanks – I’ll file it where I file other opinions.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  129. druid says:
    @henry_bowman

    What a bunch of crap from a Zio trying to connect the two to save his arse!

  130. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Druid

    1. It’s irrevelant what some 600AD lunatic bandit who may never have actually existed, may or not have said, in 620AD, said sayings not written down until around 750AD

    2. Yes, the largest percentage of Muslims is in indonesia, but the reformist, anti corruption, ethnic Chinese, reformist mayor of Jakarta was recently set up and arrested by a Muslim faction for anti Muslim blasphemy among numerous charges. Indonesians believe he was arrested because his anti corruption agenda hit too many corrupt pockets.

    According to an English woman married to an Indonesian I know the Muslimism in Indonesia is getting worse and worse.

    Veils are everywhere, even on 8 year olds. Homos are being caned. Provinces and cities are passing pro muslin laws. The imans loudspeakers are screeching 5 times a day whereas before the loudspeakers were muted.

    3. Not all Muslims are Arabs, but almost all Arabs are Muslims. The Christian percentage of countries like Syria and Egyptian has gone way, way done since emancipation from the Turks and Europeans in the last 100 years. There are also plenty of Muslim ethnic Caucasians in S Russia and Central Asia. Also plenty of Asian ethnics in Asia such as the ones in Mynmar and Thailand who attach and kill Buddhists. Then the Indian Muslims.

    Your comment was irrevelant and rudiculous. Giradi doesn’t like the Saudi American diplomatic and economic arrangements. That’s his opinion. Because of his US government career he has vast experience and expertise in the matter.

    Another Wikepedia researcher who posted that all Muslims are not Arabs. It’s common knowledg.

    • Replies: @anon
  131. Talha says:
    @anarchyst

    Hey anarchyst,

    It is apparent that you missed my point

    I didn’t, your point lacks merit.

    Islam and Judaism are not religions, but are all-encompassing political and social systems that govern every aspect of an adherent’s life

    Can’t speak for Judaism, but…Islam is a religion that encompasses political and social spheres. And why not? Why wouldn’t God have a say in how human beings interact with one another?

    Your argument is ahistorical. Even Christianity, Buddhism and a host of other (now marginal) religions like Zoroastrianism served as the basis of the foundation for the governance of society whether providing legal canon which was overlooked by the priestly class or serving as the imperial cult. Christianity certainly had a heck of a lot to say in how the society was run and the king was often legitimized by his vigor for being the protector of the Christian faith (in one form or another). Here, read about how Charlemagne was crowned Holy Emperor by a pope:

    http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/601-900/charlemagne-crowned-as-holy-roman-emperor-11629758.html

    This was checked in Westphalia when the rulers had to stop the continental bloodbath else they wouldn’t have had anyone to rule over and it became more and more secular from then on. But this is a particularly Western phenomenon and there is nothing intrinsic in Christianity that says it cannot or it must provide the basis for legal cannon – you can look to see what men like Augustine, Aquinas and Luther had to say. Eastern Christianity still has a say in how government is run – Russia just shut down the Jehovah’s Witnesses legally. To this day, many European nations proudly display the cross on their flags symbolizing their historic relationship to Christianity. Even Thailand proclaims Buddhism as the official state religion and its king is its official protector.

    Are you one of those people that demand the ludicrous notion that religion needs to be kept out of how society is run? Do you protest Ten Commandment monuments in front of state capitals?

    This is why they should be required to register as “agents of a foreign government”.

    And converts, chief?

    moslem women hold “second class” status

    LOL! (fist in air) Down with the patriarchy!!!

    They hold first class Muslim female status just as men hold first class Muslim male status. The law sometimes favors them* and sometimes favors males – they do not have exact equal legal rights or responsibilities. But your statement is based on the feminist assumption that the legal rights of the male were maximally-defined by some oppressive historic patriarchy and that women are oppressed until they are given the exact legal rights and responsibilities as men. We don’t care to play that game – God defines rights for both.

    If you want to give women equal legal status in every single realm of life – go for it (hell, open up the Navy Seals for them too) – and watch your society fall apart as you pat yourself on the back for feminist awesomeness.

    Look man, if you don’t want Muslims in the West, just man up and say so – I can respect that. This is a anonymous forum, nobody’s policing you or anything. Just don’t hide behind a facade of taking a principled stance in trying to protect some noble virtues in the West that you don’t even believe in when the chips are down and then back that up with anti-intellectual platitudes on the subject of Islam or religion in general. That’s simply not respectable.

    Peace.

    *Case in point – my wife works part time. Now she has to have my permission to do so (one point for me) such that her working doesn’t mess up her responsibilities with the family. But every penny she earns is hers completely (one point for her) and she has zero obligations to share it with me or kids. I, on the other hand, have to share and spend my earnings on her (one point for her) and the kids because I am considered head of household (one point for me).

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  132. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @henry_bowman

    My Sunday school book claimed Jesus was a descendant of the house of David, not of the tribe of Judah. Jesus lived the last 20 hours of his life as a Christian.

    The Passover dinner was the transistion between Judiasm and Christianity. He made his apostles Christians at that dinner.
    The real reason for Christian Zionism is money, free trips to Israel, pretty tour guides and vast amounts of flattery of opportunistic preachers.

    Whatever happened 2,000 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with Giradi’s article.

  133. L.K says:
    @Carroll Price

    Carroll Price,

    You are absolutely correct, but you are dealing of wizard of imbecility, a well known shill infecting the comment sections of this fine webzine.

    Possibly best to not feed such a troll.

    Cheers

  134. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    You really need to learn about human reproduction. The pill and the IUD are about 95 percent effective. Woman can only get pregnant about 5 days a month. The morning after pill is totally effective up to 72 hours. In many countries and states a D&C is SOP about a week after a rape.

    And if worse comes to worse, that’s what abortion is for. I’ve been to Europe 7 times and I have never seen a White European woman with a mulattoe child. I know there were some German women who married black American soldiers before 1970. But the kids who remained in Germany with their mothers married White Germans and bred back to White

    The only mulattos and quadroon blacks I’ve seen in Germany wear American military uniforms.

    What’s this pornographic obsession with the imaginary sex life of people 4 thousand miles away?

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  135. @Paul2

    A very interesting contribution to the debate on how the WTC and the other buildings collapsed into the ground, why the fires burned for weeks after, how the buildings were pulverized and various other mysteries is given in a YouTube piece called “The third Truth”.

    Whether it is factual or simply a phantasy, I have no way of knowing, but I think it is worth considering. It seems to explain quite a lot that other explanation do not.
    Improbable? Yes, indeed! But then how “probable” was 9/11?

    • Replies: @Paul2
  136. @Michael Kenny

    Michael Kenny
    July 12th
    “Putin cannot define Russia’s “national interests” as including the right to violate the sovereignty of Ukraine or any other country.”
    Presumably the same goes for the USA? Is sauce for the Kosovoan Goose not sauce for the Crimean Gander? Did the USA have the right to violate the sovereignty of the 50 or so countries that it has “brought Freedom and Democracy” to since WW2.
    Does the USA have a right to demand “rights of self protection” in Syria? (Where it is supporting rebels against the government.) How does that square with Helsinki?

  137. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ANON

    In Indonesia , “they “succeeded. In UK ‘They ‘Failed. In America , those guys said ” I will not allow any Muslim members in my cabinet” . His popularity went up .
    Some already see Muslims sleeping in as sleeper cells in administration to wake up at the right moment.
    Certain guy on TV asked Keith ” Are you a terrorists”.

    These people are getting worst They are papering every walls with slogan ” Sharia is taking over in America Get rid of Muslims”

    BTW Buddhist are killing Muslims in Sri Lanka and In Burma ( Myanamr )
    In Thailand, the military has been usurping Muslim lands in south and has demolished the grave sites . The military occupy S Thailand

    In India, a cow’s life is more than a human life is worth for.

  138. Miro23 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    (a) its collapse is prima facie counter to any unsavory conspiracy version because the necessarily clever plotters would not have added anything as irrelevant to the main story of symbolic attack on America.

    It wasn’t irrelevant. Building 7 was due to be hit by a jetliner the same as the other two buildings. If hijacked flight UA 93 had continued with its speed and heading it would have flown through the dust clouds of what remained of the North and South Towers straight into the fuel storage tanks of Building 7 as a spectacular grand finale with an explosion, enormous fire and collapse.

    As we know, UA 93 didn’t reach its target, crashing for some reason in a field in Pennsylvania, and leaving Building 7 loaded with incriminating explosives. When it became clear that the aircraft wasn’t coming, owner Sliverstein had to get rid of the building at any cost, and had it evacuated (the fire service couldn’t understand why – minor fires) prior to the order to “Pull it- to save lives” (Recorded). This building had minor fires that in no way threatened the structural integrity of the building.

    If 9/11 had been a genuine surprise Arab terrorist attack, every detail would have been investigated, examined and reexamined to the end of time – rather than the present major government/MSM shut down of anything other the INSTANT and COMPLETE official story. No investigation was needed – the MSM was trumpeting the full story almost the moment the aircraft hit the buildings.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  139. IvyMike says:

    What is there in this article that got the ignorant racists and vicious anti- semis so animated. My Dad killed fascists in WW2 and was proud of it. What a bunch of sub-vermin.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  140. anarchyst says:
    @MEexpert

    A Christian can also be a good citizen of whatever country he resides in. THAT is the difference between Christianity and Judaism and Islam.
    Such is not possible for adherents of both Judaism and Islam as the political and social aspects of their beliefs supersede and take precedence over citizenship.
    Neither moslem nor jew can be good Americans…

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  141. anarchyst says:
    @Talha

    Christianity OUTGREW the need to provide “governance”. Governance became secular in nature…not so sit Judaism and Islam.
    Even in Israel, Judaism takes precedence over secular civil government…you need not ask about Islam and secular government…

    • Replies: @Talha
  142. anarchyst says:
    @Z-man

    Jesus was an Essene…a sect which embodied many Christian-like principles…

  143. Talha says:
    @anarchyst

    Christianity OUTGREW the need to provide “governance”

    How does that mean it outgrew anything? What you mean to say is it became more and more irrelevant in the public sphere – meaning it shrunk. And it continues to do so. Which is fine, but – as I’m saying – you can’t both laud the idea of religion being kept out of the public sphere and then decry religion being forced out of the public sphere. As long as you are consistent on your principles and support the right of gay pride parades and the right of people to publicly urinate on paintings of the Son of Mary (pbuh) – I’m cool with what you’re saying.

    Governance became secular in nature

    Sure thing – and the West is currently dealing with the consequences.

    Islam and secular government

    Yeah – as an axiom – we’ll pass. But in reality, the vast, vast majority of day-to-day government is secular – even in Muslim lands; Muslim scholars don’t get themselves involved in elevator building permits, traffic fines, or what desalinization process will produce potable water. And just let those fools try insulting the Son of Mary (pbuh) where we have authority…

    Peace.

  144. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Watch your language. Such language makes your comments the object of scorn. And what exactly were your trying to say? Other than some totally vulgar word used by trashy british drunks getting to fights in pubs>

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  145. @Wally

    “The US govt. does what ‘that shitty little country’ tells them to do.”

    Yeah, the U.S. Government is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Zionist entity. When future historians are mulling over the ruins of the United States, they’ll be scratching their heads over why that happened. . . .

  146. Mikel says:
    @Talha

    Let’s face it, Talha. In the Arabian desert life of the 7th century brutality, ignorance and superstition must have been rampant. Things were not much better elsewhere, granted, but perhaps in Roman-occupied Palestine a few centuries earlier things were a tad more sophisticated. As has been mentioned above, there is an obvious disconnect between the nutty Old Testament and the generally benign Christian narrative.

    The Coran, however, ties in quite well with the Old Testament. Vengeance and terror in the afterlife, plenty of violence in the present and, generally, the kind of narrative that you would expect to be devised by someone from that place and time. It couldn’t be otherwise.

    I can understand that tradition, family, conformity with one’s social norms and, of course, existential anxiety, still lead people to adhere to the precepts of those ancient books, even if that forces them to perform mental convolutions like the ones you exhibit sometimes. I’ve seen Christians having similar problems with some passages of the Bible.

    But Islam and the West are pretty much incompatible, especially in these times of Jihad revival. Even some Muslim countries are past Shariah Law. As I understand it, many don’t practice stonings, mutilations, beheadings and similar medieval practices.

    I wish you well at a personal level but I don’t want your religion bringing its practices and mentality of Medieval Arab origin to the West.

    Best regards,
    Mikel

  147. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Eric Draitser of stopimperialism.org summarizes it thus:

    “The right-wing and today’s fascists, i.e. the so-called ‘alt-right’ in the United States position themselves as anti-establishment and anti-imperialist by virtue of an opposition to neoliberal capitalism. Theirs is not an opposition to capitalism nor is it an opposition to imperialism. It is an opposition to the unique set of conditions that we see today.”

    And this is exactly where Cobb and the Green party situate themselves when they promote the viewpoints of problematic journalists like Johnstone.

    http://www.counterpunch.com

    Be careful of those offering nothing but snake oil under the label of hearty and healthy for the body of the European Whites

  148. Talha says:
    @Mikel

    Hey Mikel,

    In the Arabian desert life of the 7th century brutality, ignorance and superstition must have been rampant.

    Sure thing – 300 idols in the Kaabah – pretty crazy actually! That’s what it came to fix.

    The Coran, however, ties in quite well with the Old Testament.

    Sure – parts of it.

    plenty of violence in the present

    A reading of WW2 history is advised – call me when secularism has solved the issue of violence – we’ll talk.

    the kind of narrative that you would expect to be devised by someone from that place and time

    Not at all. The message certainly seems to have captivated the minds of people from Senegal to Malaysia. And it speaks to people today – maybe not you, but that’s certainly not an objective yardstick. Sure it has violence and fighting in it – this is a part of life – but it also has a bunch of other very relevant stuff; charity, honoring parents, developing a relationship with God, etc If you are only reading it looking just for the violence, you’ll find what you need to confirm your bias.

    I can understand that tradition, family, conformity with one’s social norms and, of course, existential anxiety, still lead people to adhere to the precepts of those ancient books, even if that forces them to perform mental convolutions like the ones you exhibit sometimes.

    Yeah, but tradition, family, conformity to one’s social norms also leads people to reject it because the message doesn’t accept gay marriage and other post-modern clap-trap. The issue is that you can try to convince yourself that you are not a product of your time and societal influences and that you are looking at it objectively, but it’s not very convincing to someone like me.

    Plenty reject a religion not because of its over-arching narrative, but simply because they don’t want to give up doing what they like – like the guy talking about Chinese giving up pork. One has to be honest with oneself. Plenty of people like living a life as they feel fit and want to live it guilt-free without consequences after they die – why is it in the ego’s interest to submit?

    I don’t want your religion bringing its practices and mentality of Medieval Arab origin to the West

    If people want to expel Muslims, just do it legally – of course this brings back a European Medieval practice. Which is fine, let’s just be honest about it.

    And there is no evidence that the religion is going to make the West analogous to Arabia. It’s not – if Islam establishes itself in the West, it’ll have a European flavor to it just like Javans, Malays, Persians, etc. have their own flavor.

    I wish you well at a personal level

    You as well.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ANON
    , @Mikel
  149. MEexpert says:
    @anarchyst

    Neither moslem nor jew can be good Americans…

    This may be true for Jews since their loyalties lie with Israel but I will argue the point about Muslims. I don’t know what exactly you mean by “being a good American.” Majority of Muslims in America are law abiding and follow their religion. They do not drink and get involved in bar room brawls or cause DUI car accidents. They are productive in American life. They are doctors, teachers, engineers and scientists.

    Yes, there are some misguided souls that get involved in radical movements. But they are very few and do not really understand Islamic teachings. Just like Americans are swayed by Israeli/MSM propaganda against Muslims, a Muslim youth can also be swayed by some radical preacher.

    You brand billions of Muslims as terrorists because of the act of a few and because they follow the same religion. What about thousands of Americans killing Muslim women, children, and other innocent civilians in far away lands, like Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, and Syria? Actually, the whole western world is complicit in this brutality. They are all Christians. Aren’t they all terrorists?

    You say that “A Christian can also be a good citizen of whatever country he resides in.” I have personally seen Americans and British “Christians” disregard local laws about dress, alcohol, and public eating during the month of Ramadhan in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates. So you see there are bad apples on every side. You cannot convict the entire religion because of the actions of few.

  150. MEexpert says:
    @Mikel

    In the Arabian desert life of the 7th century brutality, ignorance and superstition must have been rampant.

    Isn’t this what was going on in the 19th century America? Gangs of New York and the wild west are common knowledge. That is how the west was won. By killing Indians and stealing their land. The southwest United States was part of Mexico but the Gringo stole that too or took it by force. Oh I forgot the great “CIVIL WAR” in which almost three quarter millions of Americans died.

  151. @Windwaves

    You’re 100% correct .. Philip Giraldi wrote a magnificent article, but trying to spread the word in a country fully controlled by the Jews is, indeed, pretty hard.

  152. geokat62 says:
    @Svigor

    But the rest, the Giraldis and the Roberts and the Cockburns and the Engelhardts and the Margolis = lying cowardly cunts.

    Among the many issues facing most Western countries, I think most would agree that The Israel Lobby and immigration are key. (btw – I’ll leave it to you to determine which of the two is the more career limiting.)

    Your hero, Steve Sailor, prefers to specialize on the latter issue and my hero, Phil Giraldi prefers to focus on the former.

    So, let’s make a deal: I won’t badmouth your hero for remaining silent on the former issue, if you don’t badmouth mine for remaining silent on the latter issue. Ok?

  153. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    He keeps yapping about black men and White women but “black dong on White dong” gives his sexual orientation away.

  154. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    the kind of narrative that you would expect to be devised by someone from that place and time

    Wasn’t it, though? Unlike “Mikel”, I don’t hold that against it, but it does seem from an outside viewpoint that, unlike, say, Christianity, there really isn’t that much new in Islam, barring the teetotalism. Again, though, I don’t really think of this as a problem per se. Indeed, one of my father’s (non-Muslim) friends used to argue that Islam was praiseworthy took the best of the different extant religions.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Talha
  155. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Edit woes: “praiseworthy took” –> “praiseworthy because it took”

    RSDB

  156. @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Just watch and see.

    ACOWW will be the death of the West.

    I said it first, and I will be proven right(unfortunately).

    Organicism will determine history.

  157. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Most American Muslims own crooked criminal convenience stores. They have huge profits because they:

    1 sell lottery tickets to derelicts and stupid poor people.

    2 sell alcohol to derelicts who sit outside drinking it and harassing people

    3 but food stamps for 30 cents on the dollar from people on welfare.

    4 send friends and relatives to get free food staples from food banks and then sell the food in their stores.

    5 buy day, actually several day old bread and pastries from the bakery outlets and sell it as fresh in their sleazy little stores.

    6 belong to major networks of shoplifters who steal from stores and re sell the items. This shoplifting is not just grabbing items for personal use but organized shoplifting. Ever wonder why those 40 ounce cabs of dried baby formula are kept in locked cabinets in some supermarkets? It’s because it’s stolen from supermarkets and resold in squalid Muslim convenience stores.

    [MORE]

    7 belong to nationwide networks of cigarette thieves who steal packages of cigarettes direct from the factories and put forged tax stamps on them. Dearborn Michigan is the headquarters of the very well organized billion dollar stolen cigarette tax fraud criminal organizations

    8. Obviously Muslim business owners never pay any kind of taxes and are often caught.

    9. The medical engineering and other college departments in Muslim countries are totally corrupt. The students can and do get their degrees without even going to class. And of course hiring a professional al test taker to take the certification or licensing exams is routine for Muslims.

    I just assume that any professional certificate held by a Muslim was obtained by criminal deceit and fraud.

    10. Muslim gas stations routinely rig the pumps so as to register a couple gallons more than is actually pumped into the gas tank. Paying for 2 gallons more than you actually obtained is nothing.

    The real problem with buying gas with a credit card at a Muslim station often results in your bank accounts raided and a second mortgage obtained on your house.

    I only allow White Americans and Hispanics to touch my car.

    11. Muslim contractors. To obtain a contractors license one must obtain an affidavit from a licensed contractor that one has worked for that contractor for 5 years and has demonstrated competency in all aspects of the trade. That allows one to take the contractors exam. If the exam is passed then the license is issued.

    As soon as one Muslim from the clan gets his contractors license he sells the affidavits for a $500 to a couple thousand dollars to friends and relatives. And then the professional test takers take the exam.

    I got a crooked little operation in my neighborhood shot down. Because they were Persians with beards and sneered at me with contempt and disdain because I’m a woman I rightly assumed they were Muslims instead of Jews, zorastrians or Chaldean Catholics

    The Persian Muslims rented a space behind a gas station for a little car detailing operation. Because of the freeway dust I thought I’d get the interior detailed. So I asked them how much. They said ” depends on how dirty the car is” I noticed there were no credit card signs so I asked them if they took credit cards they said no. Well, I knew exactly what they would do. For a slipshod ordinary car wash they would refuse to give the car back unless the sucker gave something like $800 cash. And they’d do that macho man menacing posturing thing Muslims think will frighten the infidel into obedience.
    So I wrote an online and snail mail report to the consumer fraud division of the district attorney’s office.

    They set up a sting operation with a WOMAN investigator. Sure nuff the Muslims demanded $700 to get the car back because it was ” so dirty”. Because they grabbed her while bullying her,assault and battery on a law enforcement officer was added to the extortion and consumer fraud charges.

    One thing Muslim businesses do is this. The Muslim owner who is really named Ali calls a vendor. The sales critter comes but uncle Mohammed pretends to be Ali. Mohammed agrees to a huge order with a minimal down payment. The goods arrive but the monthly payments don’t.

    When the vendor sues to get the payments Ali comes to court and testifies that he wasn’t there and has no idea of who this Mohammed is.

    A typical Muslim scam is setting up a copy shop. Those copy machines cost about $300,000 new. The Muslim buys them with a minimum down payment and then sells them for $100,000.

    Even if the degrees are authentic, if the degree holder went to university in a Muslim country, there is no guarantee that he or she ever went to class.

    When the Arab countries were under Turkish control the Turks would not hire Muslim Arabs for government jobs. It was either Jewish or Christian locals, Turks or Europeans from the Turkish European territories.
    And that Ramadan fasting? I fast completely 2 days a week and only eat one meal a day 5 days a week. The reason is I’m normal thin and want to stay normal thin. The only way I can stay 120 pds at 5ft 3 is by fasting. So I do.

    Not eating all day and gorging like a pig at night isn’t fasting. It’s gorging like a pig all night. Fasting is no big deal. Every actor and actress in the world has to do it sometimes. For instance the singer Beyoncé is a full figured plump woman. She had to be very thin, not normal thin for her role in Dream Girls. She lost 40 pounds in 2 months by fasting and eating very little.
    Some of the male actors in the movie Train Spotting were normal thin but lost 30 pounds for their roles by fasting.

    If they fast so much why is every Muslim woman I see in her ugly robes 100 pounds overweight? Crooked Muslim men and 250 pound Muslim women, my multicultural paradise is full of them.

    BTW those educated professional Muslim doctors have a very very high rate of medical insurance fraud and malpractice settlements because as well as being typical corrupt thieving Muslims they have fake degrees and are incompetent.
    .

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
    , @MEexpert
  158. @ANON

    I know there were some German women who married black American soldiers before 1970. But the kids who remained in Germany with their mothers married White Germans and bred back to White

    You are living in the past. Things are changing so fast, and old rules don’t apply.

    Same in the US.

    I visited lots of small towns in north and south, and ACOWW is spreading like crazy.

    Seeing is believing.

    And look at random street life in Paris in youtube videos. So many white women with Negroes.

    France is turning junglois.

    You are living in denial.

    • Replies: @ANON
    , @ANON
  159. Who Is the Real Enemy?

    Answer. Neither Iran nor Saudi.It is Israel

  160. Talha says:
    @ANON

    I apologize profusely for my involvement in any and all acts of criminality and stupidity committed by random Muslims I do not know. I also apologize for our fat women. I am also very sorry that we smell like butts. And that our faces look like our butts. And that we eat out of our butts.

    It is only by Western graciousness and tolerance that we hopeless bunch of thieves, cheats and liars aren’t shipped out overseas…with our butts.

    Peace.

  161. @Miro23

    I find it fascinating that you write with such confidence in the alleged facts you assert, especially when others who reject the standard version are almost apoplectically vociferous in asserting the idiocy of those who even believe that UA93 was a part of the plot to attack American buildings!

    I don’t know why you believe UA93 was meant to hit WTC 7 rather than Congress or the White House. Apart from geographic reasons you haven’t dealt with the fact that smart plotters would have seen no net gain out of adding a plane crashing into WTC7 to the twin towers crashes…..

    Surely you must be trolling! But not to catch me solemnly picking holes in your speculation but perhaps to stimulate the amazing Revusky into flight again….. or just possibly get Ron Unz to switch on his laser beam at last and roar with laughter while he blasts the ranks of his mad truther commenters.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  162. Mikel says:
    @Talha

    You as well.

    Glad to know that my blasphemous comments don’t make you wish me bad.

    As you know, in many (perhaps most) Muslim countries they would have cost me very dear, to say the least. Hence my desire that those violent customs don’t spill over to Western lands. It’s not so long ago that we finally got rid of our own remnants of retrograde thinking.

    Best regards,
    Mikel

    • Replies: @Talha
  163. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ANON

    The real problem with buying gas with a credit card at a Muslim station often results in your bank accounts raided and a second mortgage obtained on your house.

    Avoid Tamil gas stations like the plague, and if you ever go to Sri Lanka, either pay cash or get a local card.

    Sikh and old-stock American gas-stations are fairly polite; Muslim and Hindu ones are not.

  164. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    So you travel the country looking for black White couples. You’re even crazier than I thought. And looking at random street traffic, how can you tell which people are couples?

    If you saw a man and a woman coming out of a bank, or standing in line for a movie, or waiting for a bus would you assume they were a couple?

  165. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Hola Senor,

    Wasn’t it, though?

    Sure, I just meant in the sense that it requires one to be mired in the 7th century – which it obviously does not – though it does expect one to adhere to certain immutable beliefs and principles from time immemorial.

    there really isn’t that much new in Islam

    On spot! The Islamic narrative is that it is a return to religion primordial – the most ancient religion of the Hanifs (pure monotheists):
    “Abraham in truth was neither a Jew nor a Christian; but he was a Muslim and one pure of faith [Hanif]; certainly he was never of the idolaters.” 3:67

    It is really just a promulgation – a reminder really – of that tradition that hearkens way back, brought full circle after centuries and millennia of accretions and being lost:
    “The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah…” 42:13

    Again, one may not like this or think its silly, but this is the narrative. I personally think it is great that there were

    the different extant religions

    It’s bizarre when you see coincidences – for instance, what Buddhist monks wear (including the uncovering of the shoulder) is almost exactly what males wear on the Hajj (minus the saffron colors of course).

    I recently came across a ruling in the Hanafi school that is a detail most people have never even heard of (I sure hadn’t); in one of the valid opinions in the school – if one was to recite from a previous revealed text (like the Torah, Evangel, Psalms or any other revealed scripture in its original mode/language of revelation and one had conviction that the part he was reciting was 100% preserved as from God) in one’s five daily prayers, then the prayer counts since one is reciting that which points to Divine Speech.

    Peace.

    Note: Apologies to Mr. Ghiraldi (and gratitude for his patience) for posting comments unrelated to the immediate topic. I hope it’s not too much extra material for you to sift through, sir.

  166. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Unlike you, I have no interest in the sex lives of people 4,000 miles away.

  167. Talha says:
    @Mikel

    Bro, I’m a student of the Naqshbandi Order, we don’t wish people bad. If I did, then I rightfully deserve contempt. I want what’s best for you in this world and the next – now we may have a different idea of what the details are, but that’s understandable.

    they would have cost me very dear

    Yeah – we don’t mess around with that stuff – don’t take it personally – we follow the sacred law on it. No harm no foul.

    those violent customs don’t spill over to Western lands

    I will agree with you in that I cannot stand the level of sanguinary mob and vigilante violence that has gripped the Muslim community. There is absolutely no room for it whatsoever and that is absolutely retrograde. Prosecution of crimes (including things like blasphemy) is to be done openly, publicly and according to normative judicial procedures where people can defend themselves. We can definitely learn a thing or two about public order and rule of law from the West in this regard.

    Peace – may God preserve you and your family – do not deprive me of your prayers.

  168. annamaria says:
    @anarchyst

    educational material: Israel’s New Racism: The Persecution of African Migrants in the Holy Land

  169. @Carroll Price

    “Anyone with half a brain knows it’s a fairy tale – a complete and total fraud.”

    Now I understand why the Wiz idiot keeps banking on with his stupid questions, thanks.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  170. @ANON

    In fairness to the word itself, it has its place but I agree with you that The Unz Review is not the place for such offensive language.

    Peter Cook and Dudley Moore did a hilarious comedy routine based on it.

    Svigor is clearly a low class individual and of such low intelligence that he can’t figure out how to use the reply button when responding to comments.

  171. geokat62 says:

    Quick question Phil. The subtitle of your article is “The White House is targeting Iran but should instead focus on Saudi Arabia.”

    After running on a campaign of MAGA and America First, wouldn’t it have been more appropriate to have written an article with the following subtitle: “The White House is targeting Iran but should instead focus on these United States”?

    • Agree: Talha, Z-man, Miro23
    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  172. @geokat62

    Yes, you are correct. The problem begins at home!

  173. @NoseytheDuke

    You really deserve a medal for chutzpah! You complain about unidentified questions and ignore the challenge of my positive #80 completely. Where is your coherent account of 9/11 which can be contrasted favourably with a “fairy tale” and “complete fraud”? BTW are you too cognitively depressed to notice Carroll Price’s itredeemable stupidity? It is stupid for him to characterise the 9/11 report in a way that suggests it is the work of people far too clumsy and inept to carry off the suggested 9/11 conspiracy or to be the minions of the clever conspirators. (For the simple minded I had better explain that clever conspirators don’t allow reports that anyone with “half a brain” can tell etc etc.).

    Can you at least concede that ObL would have been happy to draw the US into a mire fighting the Taleban and that he would have approved multiple plane crashes in the US as a way of possibly achieving that? And do you think anyone plotting to get the US to attack Iraq would have thought an actual or apparently Afghan based attack on the Twin Towers was a sufficiently reliable way to make it happen? My answers of course are not questions. They are assertions as you can’t help knowing.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  174. @Old Jew

    Thanks for the link. On the whole it leaves the idea that the attack on the USS Liberty involved the highest levels of government as simply not entirely ruled out but in desperate need of an explanatory motive to give it credibility. The idea that LBJ in the middle of the Vietnam War wanted to have Ameticans killed to contrive an excuse for the US to attack Egypt is beyond mad. None of the suggestex Israeli motives seem weighty enough even if logocally possible.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  175. The Trump administration cannot govern in a clearly identified one voice if the president sounds like he cares about rebuilding America and avoid STUPID wars, and his underlyings are calling for global destructions by waging war on Russia, Iran, Syria, Yemen, N.Korea, and China.

    If Trump is honest about his policy he should have never put his son in law as SENIOR ADVISER, or Nikki Haley at the UN, or any neocon near the WH.

    The policy of appeasement of the xio-cabal will never work. This tribe don’t accept less than 100% obedience from any leadership. As it is, we can see how the Talmudic clan are swarming all over trump and promising impeachment or assassination, despite of him throwing at them lots of red meat. He bombed Syria, which bought him about two days on their good grace. Nothing less than complet capitulation will work.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  176. Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    . The idea that LBJ in the middle of the Vietnam War wanted to have Ameticans killed to contrive an excuse for the US to attack Egypt is beyond mad

    why?

    our presidents and the deepstate have been lying us into wars for over a hundred years now, longer if you include the ‘Sinking of the Maine’ lie.

    and we all know the reason we were dragged into WWI is because of the Balfour Declaration, don’t we wiz?

    so yea, obviously the attack on the Liberty was intended to be a false flag attack to blame on Egypt. Duh.

    Just like the Lavon affair, huh wiz?

    just like 9/11 was intended as their ‘new Pearl Harbor’, from the goons at the PNAC

    with General Clark’s seven nations as the victims of this latest treachery from our bestest buddies ever, who sat there and filmed as Americans were slaughtered in a ball of fire, and then celebrated by ‘dancing’ and ‘high-fiving’.

    “it’s very good”

    charming eh wiz?

    • Agree: anarchyst, L.K
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  177. Zenarchy says:
    @Talha

    If you look at genetics, you will find out that less than 1/3 of modern Iranian genetics comes from ancient Iranians, most of the rest from Arabs. Look it up, though it will take some time…

    Although, even the Eastern Iranian speakers (who has survived the Arabic onslought) with high percentage of the Aryan R1a haplogroup, such as Tajiks or Iranic speaking Afghans, had accepted Islam. Not sure how much they contributed ‘creatively and profoundly’, though.

    If you don’t believe me, check how many Pamiris in Tajikistan look:

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @L.K
  178. Corvinus says:
    @anarchyst

    “No matter how you “slice it”, Islamic dhimmitude” IS third-class citizenship and is NOT acceptable in western society.”

    Except Americans, for example, generally do not refer to themselves as “westerners” or “defenders of Western Civilization”. This fetish by a number of posters here both astounds and puzzles me.

    “If they want to bring their backward 14th-century ways to the west, they might as well stay in their own countries. We don’t need them here…”

    Thank you very much for your opinion on this matter.

    “Judaic supremacy is much more refined and insidious, jews demanding their right to live as a separate culture while insisting that “the rest of us” accept cultural genocide by pushing pornography, cultural debasement, “multiculturalism” and “diversity” on the rest of us”

    Those things are brought to you by Jews AND non-Jews. You know, people. Your run of the mill human beings.

    “…while bribing our leaders and infiltrating our government and public institutions while screaming “muh holocaust™ and six-million” when they encounter those of us who KNOW the truth about their lies and devious behavior.”

    The truth is the Holocaust occurred and millions of Jews died.

    “I stand by my statements that both Judaism and Islam are foreign political and social system that have no place in western society. adherents to these systems should be required to register as “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State department, pending review of their cases for mandatory deportation.”

    Except there is one problem here, and that American citizens who practice Judaism and Islam are protected from such a process from being implemented. Do you honestly believe that your proposal would remotely gain traction in our State Department, let alone the general American population?

    Listen, how about you deport yourself if you do not like it in our nation?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  179. @Greg Bacon

    The BIGGEST threat to the USA is from within…

    Exactly.

    Rumsfeld was close, but he neglected to mention the banksters who own and run the country.

    “The adversary is closer to home; it’s the Pentagon bureaucracy…”

    - Donald Rumsfeld on Sept. 10, 2001

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

  180. @Wizard of Oz

    How much, if any of it, have you read of the official 9/11 commission report?

    I have a question too.

    Why would anyone waste his time on that thing?

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Wizard of Oz
  181. Talha says:
    @Zenarchy

    Hey Zenarchy,

    Look it up, though it will take some time…

    No thanks – I’m kind of busy – I’m not going to do other peoples’ research for them. If you have a claim that you are making, please cite your sources directly like I do. That there were significant mixtures of Arabs, Turks, Mongols into the Persian people is a given.

    who has survived the Arabic onslought

    There was no onslaught to survive other than on the battlefields. The Arabs did not plunder and destroy established civilian peoples or infrastructure:
    “For the majority of seventh-century Syriac Christians, the most involved geoploitical changes came not with the Islamic Conquests of the 630s but from the Byzantine-Persian wars from 602 to 628, which were much more destructive than the Islamic conquests. With a few notable exceptions, during the Islamic conquests the majority of sustained military engagementstook place in the countryside, minimizing civilian casualties.Most cities capitlulated to Arab forces without prolonged siege. Material evidence of the Islamic conquests is minimal, and the conquests did not leave the type of destruction layers associated with much more devastating invasions.”
    Envisioning Islam: Syriac Christians and the Early Muslim World

    “What Donner turns out to mean is simply the well-known fact that the Muslims did not engage in systematic destruction of towns, churches, and other religious buildings, and that they were not out to impose their religion by force….If all Donner means to affirm is that the Muslim conquests were relatively swift and surgical operations that left urban life, religious communities, and complex organization intact, then he is simply affirming the conventional view….The Muslims did not engage in systematic destruction of towns or religious buildings, regardless of whether they were monotheist, Zoroastrian, or (in Harran) pagan.”

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/42023/among-the-believers

    On the battlefield however, the onslaught was fairly thorough – the backbone of Persia was broken on probably just two significant ones.

    Not sure how much they contributed ‘creatively and profoundly’, though.

    Read further on the source I cited:
    But the universality of the Persian contribution to all facets of Islamic learning must be kept in mind in any study of the relationship between Persia and Islamic civilization. The extensive efforts of Persian scholars in helping to lay the foundations of so many of the Islamic sciences during the early period continued with the same force into the Saljuq and Timurid periods. So many of the works of this later period which are standard texts in Muslim madrassas, both Sunni and Shi’i, works of such men as Ghazzali, Fakhr al-Din Razi, Zamakhshari, Baidawi, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Taftazani, Sayyid Sharif Jurjani and Jalal al-Din al-Dawani, to cite just a few of the better known names, are connected with the Persian world. Ghazzali alone would be sufficient to underline the significance of the contribution of Persia to Islamic civilization…all that we identify with classical, orthodox Islam in both its Sunni and Shi’i aspects would be unimaginable in its existing historical form without extensive efforts of Persians scholars, who worked along with Arab scholars in creating that vast world of Islamic learning to which other peoples also became subsequent heirs and contributors. For this reason, the role of Persia in the elaboration of Islamic civilization and the Islamic sciences has remained central throughout history.”
    The Cambridge History of Iran, Volume 4

    Anyone who knows about historical Islamic scholarship and religious disciplines knows the Persian (and “Persianate” from Transoxiana) contribution was indispensable to the tradition.

    Peace.

  182. Miro23 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to find something suspicious in the fact that 1) two hijacked airliners flew into two steel frame high rises which supposedly collapsed due to raging fires (that has almost gone out) 2) a third hijacked airliner on course/time to hit a third steel frame high rise building in the same place didn’t make it and crashed in a field but the building collapsed anyway.

    If you want an appreciative audience, try commenting over at the Washington Post. They’re big supporters of the Neo-cons, Israel, every ME war, Hillary Clinton and they’re 100% committed to the government 9/11 story. They’re also hot for destroying Iran which is probably on your wish list.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  183. Z-man says:
    @Man on the street

    If Trump is honest about his policy he should have never put his son in law as SENIOR ADVISER, or Nikki Haley at the UN, or any neocon near the WH.

    Agreed.

    This tribe don’t accept less than 100% obedience from any leadership. As it is, we can see how the Talmudic clan are swarming all over trump and promising impeachment or assassination, despite of him throwing at them lots of red meat. He bombed Syria, which bought him about two days on their good grace. Nothing less than complete capitulation will work.

    True but I think, especially with the recent foreign trips and relatively positive results therewith, that Trump has the upperhand over all those serpents and Bannon and other non Zionists are setting the agenda. A big fake out by Trump promising everything to the Zionist beast but then delivering very little, but we shall see.
    And btw I think his weird son in law Jared will soon be gone because besides being a Zionist he’s way over his ‘silver spooned’ head, among other reasons.

  184. geokat62 says:
    @Corvinus

    Those things are brought to you by Jews AND non-Jews. You know, people. Your run of the mill human beings.

    I’m familiar with organized Jewry’s efforts to push diversity on Western nations. Wasn’t it the ADL that actually coined the phrase “Diversity Is Our Strength”?

    Need proof? Here’s material they’ve recently posted on their website:

    This is America.This is ADL. (NB – disingenuously referring to 9 pictures of distinct-looking individuals)

    The United States is a vibrant mix of cultures, races, religions and ethnic groups. These differences enhance our nation’s strength, beauty and collective wisdom. Together, we all weave the fabric of our pluralistic society.

    For over 100 years, the Anti-Defamation League has upheld this distinctly American concept by leading the fight against anti-Semitism, bigotry and racism. Today, ADL is the nation’s premier human relations and civil rights organization.

    If your company or organization wants to be recognized as a leader in the fight to promote diversity, we invite you to become a member of ADL’s Corporate Leadership Council — the nation’s leading corporate diversity initiative. Additional co-branding, diversity training and recognition benefits are available to Corporate Partners.

    https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/about-adl/corporate-partners.pdf

    Could you provide evidence of any other lobby that promotes diversity as stridently and effectively as they do? (Hint: read the bold part again… they themselves admit they are the nation’s “premier” organization).

    I’ll leave you with this quote by the former head of the ADL:

    “America’s pluralistic society is at the heart of Jewish security,” says Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League – a leading Jewish-Zionist organization. “In the long run,” he continues, “what has made American Jewish life a uniquely positive experience in Diaspora history and which has enabled us to be such important allies for the State of Israel, is the health of a pluralistic, tolerant and inclusive American society.”

    http://ihr.org/other/biden_jewish_role

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Carroll Price
  185. @Wizard of Oz

    Intelligent people understand that it’s highly unlikely that OBL had anything to do with it at all which is what he himself stated. The videos of “him” confessing feature a fake OBL that is clearly not him so the question is, who would benefit from creating such a fraudulent “confession”? OBL was also in the late stage of renal failure at that time too.

    I doubt that SA had much to do with it either other than providing some of the funding, likely to set them up as patsies for later on or when the plot began to unravel in the minds of the greater public. SA lacks the kind of technical knowhow and would have found it much more difficult to infiltrate the towers for the installation of the demolition charges that were used. Again, intelligent people understand much of this and the more anyone learns about it the clearer it becomes as to exactly which US “ally” was actually responsible.

    Intelligent people don’t need to surmise where the push to invade Iraq came from, they can simply recall the names of those who manipulated both “defence intelligence” and traitorous media to take advantage of a traumatised public and unscrupulous politicians. Names like Kristol, Pearle, Wolfowitz, Feith and more.

    Intelligent people know this Wiz but disingenuous idiots such as yourself refuse to so that you can continue to play your little games and post your barely comprehensible ramblings that merely prove your idiocy and your total lack of decency. BUT, the pendulum is swinging back and the old adage of being unable to fool all of the people all of the time is again proving to be true and once the tipping point is reached it will be very uncomfortable for some and hopefully that will include “useful idiots” like yourself.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  186. @IvyMike

    My Dad killed fascists in WW2 and was proud of it. What a bunch of sub-vermin.

    He was proud of it? Was he proud of the fact that the “fascists” were the only ones with cojones enough to stand up to Stalin and the Comintern?

    If yer daddy dunnit, then yer old enough to start getting a clue.

    Here’s a primer, from Murray Rothbard, who was a Jew with a clue.

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    - Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

  187. @Mikel

    In the Arabian desert life of the 7th century brutality, ignorance and superstition must have been rampant.

    ” Brutality, ignorance and superstition?”

    Sounds like 20th century Europe and Amerika, but on a much smaller scale, I bet.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  188. @jacques sheete

    In which century was Timbuktu the center of scholarship and learning?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  189. L.K says:
    @Zenarchy

    “If you look at genetics, you will find out that less than 1/3 of modern Iranian genetics comes from ancient Iranians, most of the rest from Arabs”

    Laughable and totally false statement. The genetic studies show none of that.

  190. @SolontoCroesus

    In which century was Timbuktu the center of scholarship and learning?

    Probably around the time they invented central banks, fractional reserve banking, gangster banking, bloated centralized gubbermint, wage and tax slavery, limited liability (or no personal liability) corporations, mass indoctrination, industrial grade warfare and mass murder, atomic weapons, poison gases and Agent Orange, but I could be wrong.

    Is Timbuktu part of Arabia?

    Scholarship and learning yi say?

    • LOL: Z-man
  191. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete

    J.S: “Why would anyone waste his time on that thing?”

    Well, I bet ‘wizard of trolling’, for one, did NOT read it.

  192. MEexpert says:
    @ANON

    I haven’t had that much laugh in a long time. I wanted to reply to this post but I couldn’t stop laughing long enough to write a coherent sentence. I gave up. ANON and Anon are quite a pair. They must drive all over the town asking the nationalities of all those gas station people before buying gas from an honest white Anglo-Saxon. I give credit to Ron Unz for reading through this garbage and still keep his sanity.

  193. Astraea says: • Website

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i.html

    The Saudi “royal” family are not Muslims. They and their sect are Jews pretending to be Muslim. The Wahhabi sect, or cult, is the source of all the terrorists in the ME and throughout the World. They have been busy everywhere – causing unrest in the Muslim areas of China and TRAINING them in their monstrous methods, and upsetting the more peaceful Muslim countries such as Indonesia.

    They are now all over the World – but they are NOT Muslims. They are crypto Jews!

    That is why they are with “Israel”. They, however, are the real Semitic Jews who originated in Yemen where as the “Jews”! in “Israel” are from Eastern Europe and are not at all Semitic. They like to add “bin” or “bin” to their names and invent Arab sounding names, but a person such as Netanayahoo is not Semitic. They are Khazars and originally from Mongolia – along time ago, but they still have the monstrously cruel ways of those “hordes”.

    There is a country in SE Russia now, a fully developed legally constituted country, called Birobidjhan. It is more or less where the European Jews originated and it was handed to the Jews as a Jewish country by Stalin in around 1928. It still is a Jewish country but there are not many Jews there! They invaded and are still occupying the country of Palestine. (Even Herodotus called it Palestine!)

    Why did they do so when they have a country of their very own? Birobidjhan is about the same size as Switzerland but far more fertile. The central city, called Birobidjhan, is modern and has air and rail connections to Moscow.

    WHY do they not want to live there? It is also close to China where there are many Jews. WHY did they go to Palestine and pretend that they come from there???

    The ancient little kingdom which was called “Israel” in the Old Testament, was utterly destroyed by Senacherib because the ruler of chief (they like to call them “kings” in the OT!) annoyed him. The ONLY “Jew or Hebrew or Habiru there was the wife of Ahab. Her name was Jezebel and she came from Phoenicia.

    Read “The Bible Unearthed” by Israel Finkelstein, Senior at the Archaeological Department at Tel Aviv University. Watch the fascinating Youtube video called “The Walls Come Tumblin’ Down.”

    • Replies: @Z-man
  194. @NoseytheDuke

    There is a problem on the face of your comments in accepting that you have any knowledge of or ability to assess intelligent thinking. Your school of low-grade-autodidact conspiracy theory style of disputation compels this observation. To wit…Where does your extraordinary idea come from that repetitious assertions that “intelligent people know/understand” is any part of persuasive argumemt or contributes to appearance of truth value? Equally “intelligent people don’t need to surmise where the push to invade came from” shows either a careless or unintelligent missing of the point of the argument. That point assumes (without necessarily affirming) both the Israel centred desire to Balkanise the ME and the way Rumsfeld, Cheney & co went about taking advantage of 9/11 to attack Iraq. But it also notes that it is unlikely that clever planners of an excuse to attack Iraq would count on an apparent Afghanistan based Al Qaeda attack on American buildings as a sufficiently reliable step toward their Iraq objective to make it worth all the risks of 9/11, including killing thousands of Americans.
    Furthermore you have just repeated assertions about demolitions without seeking to deal with
    (a) the absurdity of Silverstein or anyone not noticeably mad counting on the demolition charges coinciding with where the planes were to hit;
    (b) the simple physics of one big vector in one direction and only a small one at 90 degrees
    (c) the extraordinary idea that someone experienced in “controlled demolutions” would choose to try and achieve it, not from the ground floor, but 90 or 100 levels up. (Another problem occurs to me for the parrot cry about “no steelframed building etc….”. Clearly your conspirators would have to know that, given the unusual structure of the Twin Towers, there wasn’t actually a problem about bringing them down by destroying the essential structural support at about the 100th level).

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Sparkon
  195. @L.K

    You don’t read much or do people the courtesy of not wasting their time do you? I actually said I hadn’t read most of it!

  196. @jacques sheete

    Do you regard it as acceptable to assert that it is all a fairy tale and obvious lies without reading it?

    I do not refer to the possibly just acceptable practice of reading some of the critics and then, without trusting them to have got it all right, to start fossicking around for some reliable facts on which to make an assessment for oneself. Even that doesn’t absolve people from doing their own reading of the report if they wish to have their certainties taken seriously.

  197. @Miro23

    Suspicions and doubts I’ll grant you but you don’t seem interested in anything more than the joy of finding some evil people in control somewhere, somehow. Having noted suspicion about the way the Twin Towers collapsed I put the issues to a high powered physicist. Have you bothered to do as much? Do you even understand the addition of vectors or are you a total scientific innocent who believes fantasists? As to the plane on track to hit WTC7!!! Where do you get that from? And what possible motive would the clever plotters have had for bringing down that building rather than crashing into a symbolically important DC building?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  198. @Rurik

    I take no note of your historical ramblings, only your quoting what I said and your failure to accept it.

    The Vietnam War was an expensive and unpopular venture under Johnson’s leadership which was, more than inter alia, damaging his Great Society programs and you really have to find strong positive reasons for Johnson to want to go to war against Egypt to make that theory of yours plausible. Where is the archival material or the memoirs from insiders? No evidence and no motive but you apparently want to believe any nutty story.

    And in general what evidence is it that Johnson did something devious in 1967 that other Presidents didn’t behave openly and honestly at all times? We know Johnson, like 99.9 per cent of human beings, could tell lies, but where does that get you on the USS Liberty disaster?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Rurik
  199. @L.K

    Well, I bet ‘wizard of trolling’, for one, did NOT read it.

    I agree, and you’d think that the Blizzard of Ooze would know enough to follow the yellow brick road.

  200. Z-man says:
    @Astraea

    Birobidjhan

    Even Stalin wanted Jews as far away as possible, LOL!!!!!

  201. MarkinLA says:

    Does anyone know why all the ex-CIA, ex-NSA, ex-FBI, and ex-Intelligence community people on TV always make themselves look like such dolts? I was watching CNN the other day in a diner after the whole Don Jr. thing came up and here was this “expert” going on about how the FSB does what it does to get some foreign person to become an FSB asset. I was amazed that all the dolts at CNN were pretending he was actually worth listening to. On Tucker Carlson we had another one of these guys who at least admitted that the previous Congressman talking about Rt.com and Russian trolls didn’t make much sense but he still prattled on about how we have to “confront” Russia without ever explaining why or what he meant by confronting and what it might ultimately mean if the Russians don’t like being confronted?

    Are these people hanging around DC in lobbying positions and are brought in because they will say anything somebody handing them a check wants them to?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  202. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It means you dont know anything about Johnson. His loyalty and fealty to Israel . Hios connection to leakage to letter sent to Eisenhower ( which he was not supposed to elak but leaked to some big Jewish guy who was in the commite of teh immediate ancestor of AIPAC . He did to curry favor with them .He got Forta to rescue him few times Even imidiatley after Kennedy assassination he called him first thing in morning
    He slept with one of the Girls possibly in WH , she was conduit To Israel. He suppressed the investigation going against Weizman institute and “its American Friend for for Weizmann Institute . He was aware of the upcoming invasion by Isarel”

  203. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “To demonstrate the degree to which Jewish Agency plants infiltrated the government and everyday life, a couple of months after one coast guard station was attacked and bombed by the Hagana, it blew up again … but the British were baffled, because this time there had been no attack. They discovered that the construction crew that had rebuilt the station after the previous attack were Hagana, and had simply embedded explosives in the reconstruction, to be detonated when desired.”

    1st Jan 2017
    Mondoweiss

    Primary source is British Archives at London
    Did they do same to WTC ??

  204. Sparkon says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    (a) the absurdity of Silverstein or anyone not noticeably mad counting on the demolition charges coinciding with where the planes were to hit;

    Thanks for the good straight line:

    In the spring of 2000, Gelatin and 14 other artists shared free studio space on the 91st floor, where the group’s artmaking appeared to consist of building a clubhouse out of cardboard boxes.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/18/nyregion/balcony-scene-unseen-atop-world-episode-trade-center-assumes-mythic-qualities.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    Art for art’s sake, or something else?

    I want to call your attention to the artist groups (E-TEAM and GELATIN) who were selected to be part of the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council (LMCC) World Views / Studioscape …programs that allowed them and other artists to work and live in the WTC in the four years leading up to 9/11 on different floors, including 91 and 92 of the North Tower. Additionally, they were given seven day a week construction access to the WTC that allowed them to freely move all sorts of materials in and out of the complex.

    http://www.markdotzler.com/Mark_Dotzler/WTC_Artists.html

    Please pay particular attention to the two photographs of the WTC at the top Mr. Dotzler’s page, and note how the upper floors of WTC 1 were darkened to display E-TEAM self-promotion 127 Illuminated Windows in March 2001 “… coinciding with where the planes were to hit,” just as the Wizard of Oz has specified.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  205. @anon

    A friend just alerted me to this informative comment:

    “‘But Sir, It’s an American Ship.’ – Haaretz”
    [Col. Pat Lang expands on the Haaretz article, revealing that “In the course of my duties at the time I read the NSA transcripts quoted above.”

    In a lengthy comment @ 14 July 2017 at 05:42 AM, ‘LondonBob’ offered details on LBJ’s Jewish ancestry, and his career-long service to Jews, Israel, and zionism.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/07/httpwwwhaaretzcomus-news1800584.html#comment-6a00d8341c72e153ef01bb09aed26b970d

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  206. Corvinus says:
    @geokat62

    “I’m familiar with organized Jewry’s efforts to push diversity on Western nations.”

    Western nations have always been diverse. The English, for example, were derived from the Picts, Britons, Romans, the Celts, and various Germanic tribes. The French came from the Gaulish tribes, who had conquered the Ligures, the Iberians, and the Basques, who then assimilated with the Romans. Of course, you should also recognize E pluribus unum (Out of many, one), which refers to the multitude of people which helped to create America.

    “Wasn’t it the ADL that actually coined the phrase “Diversity Is Our Strength”?”

    I don’t know, was it?

    “Could you provide evidence of any other lobby that promotes diversity as stridently and effectively as they do? (Hint: read the bold part again… they themselves admit they are the nation’s “premier” organization).”

    A number of organizations claim they are “premier”. That label is other than unique. The Baby Boomers were a lobby who in the 1960′s (and continue today) promoted diversity. The ACLU, the Southern Law Poverty Center, and of course various churches are all similar to the ADL in their advocacy.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Miro23
    , @geokat62
  207. I think that has been obvious for years, as a SAIS student in the late 1960s and a Naval Intelligence Officer during the Yom Kippur War, it was clear.

    I cannot offer direct proof, but the toadying by Bush after 911 and the concern with many in the intelligence community to keep Saudi sweet, is far better proof than empty theorizing.

  208. Talha says:
    @Corvinus

    Western nations have always been diverse. The English, for example, were derived from the Picts, Britons, Romans, the Celts, and various Germanic tribes.

    This is true – don’t forget the Normans who originally hailed from Scandinavia.

    Peace.

  209. Miro23 says:
    @Corvinus

    Western nations have always been diverse. The English, for example, were derived from the Picts, Britons, Romans, the Celts, and various Germanic tribes.

    Add on the Danes and Normans and take away the Romans, but the main point is that a British racial identity as an unselfconscious and natural mixing of them all has taken almost a thousand years of non-invaded isolation to develop.

    Same for Spain in the shorter period after the expulsion of the Moors. The North Africans that remained integrated with the Basques (main ethic component of Spain), Iberians, Germanic Visigoths, and some Romans and Greeks on the Mediterranean.

    The story seems to be that integration can take a very long time and has to unify around a common identity – often religious . This has nothing to do with modern “Diversity” and is better described as “Unity in Anti-Diversity”.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  210. Miro23 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Having noted suspicion about the way the Twin Towers collapsed I put the issues to a high powered physicist. Have you bothered to do as much?

    I’m not acquainted with any “high powered physicists” like yourself. I have to make do with the architects and engineers of A&E for 9/11 Truth http://www.ae911truth.org/ who are concerned enough about the lies of the official 9/11 story to risk their professional careers.

    Since you probably also support the US destruction of Iran and regime change in Syria + conflict with Russia, what do you see as the optimum US government moves to enable these events?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  211. Corvinus says:

    “Add on the Danes and Normans and take away the Romans, but the main point is that a British racial identity as an unselfconscious and natural mixing of them all has taken almost a thousand years of non-invaded isolation to develop.”

    Those ethnic groups did not refer to themselves as “white” or even identified being united by the “white race”. Furthermore, it is other than surprising that these groups took so long to “mix” given how Europe endured instability. But by 1500, when nation-states were firmly entrenched, European identities were in place.

    “The story seems to be that integration can take a very long time and has to unify around a common identity – often religious.”

    The common identity with Americans are political and social in nature.

    “This has nothing to do with modern “Diversity” and is better described as “Unity in Anti-Diversity”.”

    Actually, European diversity laid the foundation for today’s diversity.

  212. @Mikel

    The Coran, however, ties in quite well with the Old Testament. Vengeance and terror in the afterlife, plenty of violence in the present and, generally, the kind of narrative that you would expect to be devised by someone from that place and time. It couldn’t be otherwise.

    With that being said, what’s the real difference between the Coran and the Old Testament and between Orthodox Jewry and Islam? Very damned little I’d say.

  213. geokat62 says:
    @Corvinus

    Western nations have always been diverse.

    That may be true. But was it the result of a lobby pushing mass immigration from the four corners of the world?

    I don’t know, was it?

    Now you know:

    For some time, the ADL has promoted the slogan “Diversity is Our Strength.” In keeping with this motto, which it claims to have invented, the ADL has devoted effort and resources to persuading Americans — especially younger Americans — to welcome and embrace ever more social, cultural and racial “diversity.” /17

    17. ADL On the Frontline (New York), Summer 1997, p. 8. This issue of the ADL bulletin also noted with some pride that President Clinton, in his Feb. 1997 “State of the Union” address, had given an unexpected boost to what it called the “ADL tag line.” In that address, Clinton said: “My fellow Americans, we must never, ever believe that our diversity is a weakness. It is our greatest strength.”

    http://ihr.org/other/anti-semitism-why-does-it-exist-dec-2013

    The ACLU, the Southern Law Poverty Center, and of course various churches are all similar to the ADL in their advocacy.

    The first two are in common cause with the ADL. As for the churches, were they the ones pushing hardest for the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  214. @geokat62

    I’m familiar with organized Jewry’s efforts to push diversity on Western nations. Wasn’t it the ADL that actually coined the phrase “Diversity Is Our Strength”?

    I can’t imagine anyone else coming up with such a stupid idea can you? It’s got Jews written all over it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  215. @MarkinLA

    “I was watching CNN the other day”

    I think I see the problem here…

  216. @anon

    Sort of, the explosives were likely planted during an unprecedented total power shut down not long prior. “Art students” from Israel living illegally in vacant offices were discovered and there are pics online of cartons stacked up bearing company markings of detonator contents. Like you, I smell a rodent or two.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  217. @Miro23

    I thought you were at least a troll. But you are a fool ill equipped to contribute anything rational on 9/11 issues. Why else would you blow smoke in your last paragraph which contains suggeations about my views and preferences for which you have not the slightest evidence beyond your weird imagination, prompted by your need to cover your embsrrassment at having no qualification by knowledge or intellect to say anything worth reading about the real issues?

    Similarly you proffer that architects and engineers (as they claim to be) risked their careers. Surely there must be a few cases out of 1600 where you can substantiate that? No? Well why say it except to add bluster to a weak argument?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  218. @NoseytheDuke

    My cats share your hypersensitivity to the smell of rodents all the time, and I concede that their enthusiasm is often justified, but there is rather a big gap between the apparent certainty of your views about what did and didn’t happen on and leading up to 9/11 and the case you make.

    For example you still seem to like demolition by implanted explosives placed at just the right levels to coincide with where civilian aircraft will be seen to hit the World Towers. (Apparently it is made even stranger by reason of its being planned uniquely as a “controlled” demolition, not at ground level in accordance with industry practice, but at level 100 or thereabouts which would require huge manual effort on a day of power shut down – which day BTW?).

    Setting aside the typical rubbish trolls and worse post on line how do you explain clever malicious plotters bothering to include total demolition of the towers rather than just a spectacular attack killing perhaps a few hundred people? They would still get their war in Afghanistan if that is their crazy objective. And if you say Larry Silverstein had to be cut in on the deal for access and so he could get the insurance payout from a full demolition how do you think he was persuaded that he could 100 per cent count on exact placement of the explosives and exact striking of both towers? Wouldn’t he have said “you just hit low enough on the towers 0on a Sunday and it can be a nice big win-win”?

    Now I’m really into the minds of intetested parties I see the obvious. Who were the two big winners? (Not left to improvise like Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfwitz and co). It was Larry Silverstein and Osama bin Laden! In it together perhaps from 1993 when the first attack on the WTC failed. Obvious innit?

  219. @Carroll Price

    So now you are suggesting that it is obviously Jews who would come up with such a “stupid idea” when the point of concern is that it is, if you accept at least one version of how Jews see Jewish interests and seek to pursue them, a cleverly devised slogan to promote Jewish interests far from stupidly.

    I recall, from many years ago, a fairly conservative Jewish publicist/activist/apparatchik defending multiculturalism in Australia. That was before the folly of the conservative PM he then served in letting many Lebanese into Australia without discrimination became apparent. You could say he was pursuing a Jewish interest in diminishing the power of established Anglo-Celts though I have also heard other Jewish academics refer to the relative absence of anti -Semitism in 1940s/50s/60s Australia when the good old Protestant-Catholic rivalries were still live (and prosperous Jews would have sent their children to private church schools like Scotch, Wesley, X Church of England Grammar).

    The point this mild supporter of multiculturalism sought to emphasise was that the second generation just became assimilated (though I can’t remember if he used the word) Australians. It was only perhaps 15 years since the White Australia Policy had formally been abandoned and I think he meant what he said. Apart from unemployed Muslims and a few small groups he wasn’t obviously wrong either. Mind you I had my prejudices in favour of Australia’s policies reinforced by the favourable impression I got from a recent private hospital stay when i experienved care from 1. a stern Anglo ticking me off for being late 2. a 55 ish Colleen of obvious Irish ancestry 3. Two young female Chinese or Vietnamese X Ray technicians 4. A 35 ish Sri Lankan nurse 5. a 40 ish Punjabi nurse whose Sikh male colleague in s turban was on the same shift 6. The female cardiac surgeon who had arrived from Taiwan at the age of 6. 7. A 30 ish gorgeous and smart black African nurse from Kenya who was as elegant as the Nilotics despite saying she was Bantu (think Tutsi and Hutu intermarriage just down the road). 8. An Anglo or other Euro bioengineer.

    In Australia we do our best to have dumb government but somehow we have escaped the truly appalling government the donor groups and organised numbers (think of all those over pensioned public employees) have inflicted on ordinary Americans since the 1980s (not discounting preparations going back to 1965). As for immigration specifically, the right kind of immigration is fine even for those without existing wealth.

    As to Diversity, strengthening or otherwise, I don’t see it as such a powerful slogan in Australia though recently a leftish Racial Discrimination commissioner of Chine-Lau ancestry and an Oxford doctorate called for more diversity in positions of power and influence. Presumably the idea of diversity sounds good when we naturally now condemn conformity and look for enterprise and innovation to improve e everything. There may be also some carry over from the notion of diversification preached to investors….

  220. @Miro23

    In case I have been rude elsewhere I proffer my congratulations on your pointing out how long integration may take. Maybe one should add that it can be undone rather quickly. Maybe the alleged exacerbation of differences between Tutsi and Hutu should be considered in this light.

  221. @SolontoCroesus

    LBJ’s tiny fraction of Jewish ancestry is so lacking in relevance to anything that matters that you demean youself in mentioning it in this context.

  222. @anon

    I suppose your standards are higher but you thought yo could get away with an incoherent ramble after finidhing the port on your own if you used “anon”.

    I was nonetheless stimulated to folliw up your suggestion that you knew stufc about Johnson that I should know. Having spent quite a long time on searches connecting Johnson and Jews,Jewish ancestry, Robert Caro, Israel etc. I find no reason to think you knowledge of or thoughts about LBJ are worth a damn. Have you read Caro’s biography – so far 4 of the 5 volumes – of Johnson? I suppose you would say that Caro’s Jewish ancestry meant that your confused ideas about Johnson and Jews or Israel didn’t get a run but that you have some secret source of knowledge not tainted by the Ivy League and a distinguished career as journalist and biographer (I wonder how you would fit Caro’s famous biography of Robert Moses into the picture).

    Regardless of whether you actually know anything relevant about Johnson you might care to look at the records – easily found on line – of Abba Eban’s discussions in DC with Macnamara, Dean Rusk and LBJ himself in the last days of May 1967. The idea that LBJ wanted anyone to attack Egypt just then is so utterly absurd that it qualifies only as ludicrous.

    Please don’t bother to try again just mouthing off with vaguely imagined connections of no probative value. There is quite a lot of stuff to be read if you want to understand LBJ’s concerns in May/June 1967.

    • Replies: @KA
  223. @Wizard of Oz

    Seriously Wiz, has it never occurred to you that The Unz Review is not the right place for you to be commenting? I mean you’ve become such a joke here that you are competing with the likes of Sean and Quartermaster for the title of biggest idiot.

    Time and time again you are being called out for the blatantly false, illogical and confused “quality” of your comments by many reputable commenters and still the outflow continues from you like the proverbial diarrhoea known as Delhi belly. Perhaps you’d do better commenting at a site where the consensus is that the towers fell due to aluminium combining with water as you’ve posited previously.

    We get it that you’re a troll doing what you think is good work for the criminal zionist entity but to what effect? You convince nobody, your influence here is zero and the nuisance quotient is equal to a pimple on an elephant’s arse, possibly the resemblance too. No doubt you are enjoying yourself, idiots seem to enjoy being idiots, it’s what they do best but you are also an embarrassment to all Australians, known for being fun, down to earth, straight speakers.

    What with your high powered physicist and high placed banking friends who, by your account, seem to enjoy the company of a waffling wanker like yourself, either they feel sorry for you, see you as some sort of entertaining pet or you are just not fair dinkum at all mate, ever.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  224. @Sparkon

    I don’t know what your line is but I have a few points to raise with you in response to all that. (I had no line until very recently I decided I couldn’t find any of the many and varied truther explanations other than absurd although I haven’t an overwhelming problem about possible Mossad prior intelligence or highplaced Saudis being involved).

    Can you seriously entertain the idea that someone clever who wanted to provoke a war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda (even assuming it is a plausible way of getting up the later war against Iraq)

    1. would think it necessary to wholly destroy the two buildings at the risk of the means of demolition being discovered before or after the highjackings? (And your story seems to be about just one building).

    2. Would count on planes both hitting at the right place so the demolition from that level would not be obviosly a demolition?

    3. Would count on the externally framed WTC buildings collapsing (always assuming you can find a reason for their total collapse being necessary to the plot) from an explosion blowing out, not the ground floor but the 91st. This is really a problem for those who have trouble with the manner and speed of descent according to the official story. It isn’t so much a problem once you accept that it didn’t much matter what the cause of the weakening was. Provided the 91st floor structures could no longer hold up several thousand tons of stuff above it you had your collapse. But you wouldn’t want to divide the team if you are a truther….

  225. @NoseytheDuke

    I don’t think I ever had to try tutoring anyone qiite so intellectually unsuited to what should have been an honours course and so – apparently – unaware of his deficiencies – or maybe just trying and fool even himself of his adequacy. I have tried, as I would for any student trying for a pass degree to challenge you to produce acceptable arguments. But it seems by your opening that this is obviously hopeless and I shall give up on you confident that you will get no nearer to dealing effectively with substance.

    Unfortunately our host”s webzine is beset by commenters who, as to about 80 per cent, are as uniformly hopeless as yourself (or capable of almost equally illogical or evidence free emissions.)(The occasional interesting assertion always needs to be checked from that 80 per cent). For anyone interested I think I have previously enumerated those I regard as sane, logical and informed (usually at least). I suspect I should have added Talha for his honesty though I find starting from a religious orientation not my thing. Sam Shama when he doesn’t get overexcited. Inctatus, Greg Cochran, Iffen usually, Vendetta possibly despite Ron cheerfully calling him an ignorant nitwit. For the moment I am at a loss to think how you can find yourself in good company except that you don’t seem even to have the awareness that you might be addressing with hauteur someone who gave you a couple of your Cs out of charity and optimism. (Also third rate universities have long since been realistic about needing the money for bums on seats or marks on paper).

  226. Corvinus says:
    @geokat62

    “That may be true.”

    No, it is definitively true that western nations have been diverse.

    “But was it the result of a lobby pushing mass immigration from the four corners of the world?”

    Of course not. The process of how western nations became diverse 500 to 1000 years ago is markedly different than what is occurring now. But “lobbying” for something by someone is indicative of the human race–we desire something to happen, so we try to convince people to do it. Nothing new here. Moreover, the world has become increasingly interconnected ever since Columbus made that journey in 1492, and it is other than surprising that people from around the world have moved from their homeland to a new land. Also, during the second American industrial revolution (1865-1900), American industrialists were clamoring for cheap immigrant labor. They served as the backbone to our rise as the #1 exporter of the world by 1900.

    “Now you know”

    The ADL CLAIMS to have invented this motto. Is there clear, convincing evidence to back up that claim? So we truly do not know for certain.

    “As for the churches, were they the ones pushing hardest for the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act?”

    They certainly had strong support for it.

    “The bill proposed by Celler and Hart advocated replacing the quota system with an annual cap on immigration, regardless of country of origin. During the debate on the proposed legislation, American Catholic leaders voiced strong support for the bill. Since the passage of the 1924 Johnson-Reed Act, the Catholic Church had regularly voiced opposition to the discriminatory features of American immigration law, pointing out that it rested on anti-Catholic bigotry as well as racial prejudice. On June 1, 1965, the director of the Department of Migration, John McCarthy, wrote a letter to the NCWC’s General Secretary, Rev. Paul Tanner, stating that the immigration legislation proposed by Celler and Hart was “excellent” and would “eliminate the iniquities and prejudices that have existed in our immigration laws for the past forty years.”

    http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/immigrantchurch

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  227. Paul2 says:
    @Foolisholdman

    I have not seen all of that 4 hour discussion but IMHO the hypotheses of Khalezov are *not* very plausible.

    If one looks at the video footage of the “collapses” of WTC 1 and 2, one can clearly observe squibs and other explosions that seem to be timed. This points towards a controlled demolition. Also very heavy parts of the outer steel structure are very forcibly ejected laterally or even upwards so there must have been explosions at many different height levels of WTC 1 and 2.

    In the case of WTC 7 the hull is basically intact and stays intact as the building collapses into its own footprint. I do not believe that this can be done with one underground explosion. Instead look again at the video footage: The collapse of WTC 7 looks like a *textbook* controlled building demolition.

    When I saw the footage of the collapse only three years ago I immediately supposed that is was a demolition and when I was told that that collapse had taken place on 9/11 I knew there was something very fishy with the official 9/11 story. Also I asked myself why had not seen the collapse in the media and why it was not discussed there. (Hint: Forget about the mainstream media, they are a tool of brain washing and war propaganda.)

    Also researchers have analysed dust from 9/11 and have found a lot of stuff that could well be decomposition product of Thermite and they even found unreacted Nano-Thermite particles.

    So we do not have to speculate wildly about nuclear underground explosions or “directed energy weapons” or any of that stuff. Just take the evidence: video footage, witness accounts, environmental data. And IMHO one ends up with the controlled demolition hypothesis. Details are unknown, of course, but that is the only explanation that fits the known evidence and the established laws of physics and known technology.

    Then you can go criminalistic and research for motives, means, opportunity, foreknowledge, who benefits, personal ensnarements etc. Then you will find for example Ace Elevator and other interesting companies…

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  228. @Paul2

    As your argument turns almost entirely on your assumptions about engineering matters like demolitions, and on physics, would you please tell us your qualifications to be taken as authoritative on those subjects. And, specifically where do you find your “textbook controlled demolition” to be so sure it applies to the towers?

    In relation to demolitions can you point to any precedents or textbooks which justify your view that explosive charges on or about the 91st floor of such tall buildings rather than near the ground is standard or “textbook^? I think not.

    Equally to the point can you conceive of any plotter who had any stake at all in success being confident enough of the placing of the demolition charges reliably coinciding with the floors into which planes would crash in not just one but two buildingsl?

    As to physics, are you familiar with the addition of vectors in old-fashioned Newtonian physics which is all that a civil or mechanical engineer needs? Do you understand its relevance when you have thousands of tons of concrete and steel above a greatly weakened floor where the horizontal forces are comparatively minute?

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    , @Anon
  229. Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Johnson to want to go to war against Egypt to make that theory of yours plausible.

    not Johnson per se, but rather the zio-deepstate assassins who placed him in the White House as their poodle

    Where is the archival material or the memoirs from insiders?

    lol!

    No evidence and no motive

    the motive was to get America to fight Israel’s wars for them.

    let that sink in for a moment, and then ponder its modern day implications

    We know Johnson, like 99.9 per cent of human beings, could tell lies, but where does that get you on the USS Liberty disaster?

    umm, that Israel and the ZUS lied about it?

    that is was an attempted false flag to get America to fight Israel’s wars for them, just like 9/11.

    is that so hard for you to comprehend ‘wizard’?

  230. paul2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    (1) engineering and physics assumptions
    My argument turns on relatively self-explaining and simple engineering assumptions. It relies on quite simple physics. My qualification insofar is school education in physics – which is sufficient to understand the relevant questions – and a little research on the web. Something most people could do. Also I am just repeating arguments made by experts in the field.

    To explain: If a building “collapses” in constant acceleration then there is a net force driving that building downwards. The force pulling the building downwards is gravity. Normally buildings do not collapse because they are built to have a structural resistance so that there is a counterforce that can carry at least the building itself. Of course buildings have a much higher resistance because they need to be safe and comfortable to use, and in the case of the WTC they were designed to withstand plane impacts, strong winds etc.

    If there is a net force downwards then the structural resistance is less than gravity, i.e. the building cannot even carry itself.

    Even if we assume that there were damages to the upper parts of WTC 1 and WTC 2, why should suddenly (!) the lower, undamaged part of the building loose most of its structural resistance? There were no jolts so the upper part could not have “hammered” the lower part. Also the upper part would have been destroyed much earlier than the lower part and in the video footage you can see that it basically was destroyed before even reaching the lower part, or in the case of the South Tower it tilted and disintegrated in mid-air.

    Keep in mind that a building is structurally designed like a pyramid. Each floor has to be built that it can carry the whole building above it. So the lower – undamaged – parts of the towers were much much stronger than the upper parts.

    Also the lower part building was destroyed absolutely symmetrically. It was like an eraser plane going down the building. Such a “collapse” seems totally unnatural.

    And then explain the ejection of the steel hull, the squibs, the other explosions, the heat etc. You can’t appeal-to-authority away the evidence.

    In the case of WTC7:
    How should the building loose suddenly (!) all of its structural resistance? Explain that. And then in such a way that the center draws the building inwards so that it falls into a neat pile. Again, totally unnatural.

    (2) textbook demolition
    I said the collapse of WTC 7 (not 1 or 2 !) looks like a textbook controlled demolition. That is to say that is looks exactly like most of the controlled demolitions I have seen on video. Also I have seen an interview with a building demolition expert who immediately upon viewing the WTC 7 collapse stated that it was a demolition “no doubt about it”.

    But if you care to get an expert opinion, why don’t you check the site of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth? Or you read some articles on the topic in the Journal for 9/11 studies.

    (3) plane impact points:
    This is a completely different aspect. Did the plotters know where the planes would impact?

    Well, I do not know. But if the planes were remotely controlled that might have been the case.

    Also there were very strong explosions at the impact point of the planes and on video from one of the impact points molten metal (iron or steel) can bee seen dripping down. So maybe the charges near the impact point did go off. Who knows.

    (4) vectors:
    Regarding vectors: I know what a vector is, but I do not understand what you are trying to say.

    Well, have a look at the evidence yourself. Believe what you will.

  231. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Read this sometime back . Interesting intrigueimg information about LBJ administration


    HT:

    Abba Eban went to the Pentagon a weekend before the Six-Day War started and got the maps for 25 airfields in the whole Arab world and they killed them all, they bombed them all. That’s how dirty the U.S. was. They gave them maps from the Pentagon. The U.S. has been rotten. I’m sorry. It’s been rotten. http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/insults-israel-election.html

    (HT). Helen Thomas

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  232. @Old Jew

    I was reading an old article from an ADL publication about Ken O’Keefe, the article kept insisting the USS Liberty was an accident. These people are so shameless, even an obvious crime as this, they claim to be victims!!!!

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  233. geokat62 says:
    @Corvinus

    But “lobbying” for something by someone is indicative of the human race–we desire something to happen, so we try to convince people to do it. Nothing new here.

    While openly lobbying for one’s interests may be nothing new, as you say, doing so surreptitiously is. You, like most Americans, were unaware the ADL actually coined the phrase “Diversity is Our Strength.” Now how do you think most Americans will feel if they discover the ADL knowingly promoted diversity to safeguard their own interests at the expense of American unity? This is what is new. If the ADL believes in the merits of diversity so much, why do they not support diversity for the Jewish state? What is new is The Lobby now risks being exposed for its blatent hypocrisy.

    The ADL CLAIMS to have invented this motto. Is there clear, convincing evidence to back up that claim? So we truly do not know for certain.

    Oh, boy. Now I know why you were convinced Judith Miller was telling the truth about Saddam’s WMD.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Corvinus
  234. Avery says:
    @geokat62

    {What is new is The Lobby now risks being exposed for its blatent hypocrisy. }

    ADL was exposed for their vile hypocrisy quite a while back.

    While they were attacking anyone and everyone for denying the Jewish Holocaust – which is fine and the right thing to do – they were not only denying the Armenian Genocide themselves, but they were actively working for the Turk denial machine in their worldwide campaign to deny the AG.
    Particularly here in the US: ADL has been very effective here in official AG denial.

    Abe Foxman’s hypocrisy was too much even for a staffer: ADL’s New England regional director Andrew H. Tarsy was fired (2007) when he confronted disgusting Foxman for his vile hypocrisy.

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  235. @paul2

    Thanks for trying. Religion is an interesting phenomenon.

  236. @KA

    Nothing particularly surprising if it is in fact true. But says nothing about Johnson and the Liberty.

    How could it be that Israel actually needed those maps from the Pentagon? It would certainly have known where all 25 air fields were. So what was being added? Perhaps not so much “maps” as U2 photographs? One can imagine the picture of Eban’s aide taking the photos to an Israeli embassy fax machine and hoping it could transmit useful detail.

  237. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    As to physics, are you familiar with the addition of vectors in old-fashioned Newtonian physics which is all that a civil or mechanical engineer needs?

    Yes, very. Which vectors are you adding (or tip-to-tailing as we used sometimes to say)?

    NB. I’m not a mech. e. and really don’t know much at present about the Tower collapse.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  238. geokat62 says:
    @Avery

    ADL was exposed for their vile hypocrisy quite a while back.

    What you say regarding the AG is true, of course. I’ve even posted a few comments myself regarding the ADL’s nefarious efforts to ensure that a resolution recognizing the AG never gets passed by the US Congress.

    I, however, was referring to their nefarious role on immigration, and how their position on the supposed benefits of diversity from mass immigration in the US differs from their position regarding those same benefits for the JS. I was highlighting the fact that more and more people are starting to realize that this is an untenable position.

  239. Corvinus says:
    @geokat62

    “While openly lobbying for one’s interests may be nothing new, as you say, doing so surreptitiously is.”

    The ADL is other than secret in trying to secure their interests, as you have repeatedly noted.

    “You, like most Americans, were unaware the ADL actually coined the phrase “Diversity is Our Strength.”

    Again, the ADL CLAIMED to have coined it. Since you believe they act “surreptitiously”, is not conceivable they are other than telling the truth? Moreover, what additional evidence do you have that supports their claim?

    “Now how do you think most Americans will feel if they discover the ADL knowingly promoted diversity to safeguard their own interests at the expense of American unity?”

    First, Americans have generally supported diversity in the past and currently.
    Second, Americans for the most part know that organizations are formed in part to carry out an agenda.
    Third, you ASSUME that the ADL is working to cause American disunity.

    “This is what is new. If the ADL believes in the merits of diversity so much, why do they not support diversity for the Jewish state? What is new is The Lobby now risks being exposed for its blatent hypocrisy.”

    They may support the Jewish state, but they also took members of their “tribe” to task.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/27/us-anti-extremism-group-asks-israel-to-curb-rightwing-jewish-activist

    “A US-based organisation that campaigns against antisemitism has taken the unusual step of calling on the Israeli government to act against an extreme rightwing Jewish activist with “abusive, racist, inflammatory and violent” opinions. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has urged Israel’s attorney general to use all legal means possible against Bentzi Gopstein, the leader of Lehava – an extremist Jewish organisation that allegedly incites hatred against Arabs.”

    “Oh, boy. Now I know why you were convinced Judith Miller was telling the truth about Saddam’s WMD.”

    Dear, I see that you are once again not being truthful. I was NOT convinced from the beginning about WMD’s in Iraq.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  240. @Anon

    I was vastly oversimplifying no doubt but given confidence when I said to my old physics professor friend that it was surely a matter of calculating the joint effect of two vectors one of which was hundreds of tons weight bearing down and the other was the horizontal resultant vector from combining all the little forces around the collapse level which might have caused horizontal movement AND he did not correct me or demur. Of course it is not a central argument unless one is one of the ignorant loons who thinks the substantially vertical fall was peculiar.

    I have just been following up from Googling “what were the support structures of the World Trade Center” which proves to be a good question for avoiding the nonsense and getting to the heart of what, physically, happened.

    First I read a good piece by Deputy Fire Chief Vincent Dunn who raises not the slightest reason for being a truther. Then an excellent New Yorker piece starting with a focus on Robertson the structural engineer who designed the WTC’s almost unique structure. I now have another killer argument, right up with asking how clever plotters are going to absolutely rely for their demolition plan on planes hitting WTC1 between floors 95 and 99 and WTC2 between 78 and 85. It is this. Wouldn’t the buildings structural engineer – who actually said he had personally ensured that the design allowed for the impact of an aircraft (though apparently not for consequent fires) – be keen to raise explanations which absolved him of responsibility? He didn’t. Not even the suggestion of a doubt.

    Also of interest was Fire Chief John O’Grady’s 1976 description of buildings like the WTC built to the new 1968 performance standards (with much less concrete and more lightweight steel structures) as “combustible”. Then there was the head of the Baltimore based business Controlled Demolitions Inc (!!!) whose immediate response to seeing the planes fly into the towers on TV was to say that the towers would collapse and try to ring the Mayor to make sure no one went into the buildings.
    Then there is what appears to be a book length .pdf file by a couple of MIT professors who give no comfort to the conspiracy theorists. Still, I have Googled for “architects and engineers for 9/11 truth” and when I get a link I suppose I should see what it is that – probably unread – gives such assurance to the curious bunch of inadequates that the highly intelligent Ron Unz’s webzine’s comment threads attract.

  241. @paul2

    Have a look at #250. You seem to have something of an open mind so I invite your attention.

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    , @NoseytheDuke
  242. geokat62 says:
    @Corvinus

    Third, you ASSUME that the ADL is working to cause American disunity.

    I ASSUME that, notwithstanding the results of these recent groundbreaking studies, the ADL will continue to promote its tag line “Diversity Is Our Strength”:

    1) An excerpt from Study paints bleak picture of ethnic diversity:

    A bleak picture of the corrosive effects of ethnic diversity has been revealed in research by Harvard University’s Robert Putnam, one of the world’s most influential political scientists.

    His research shows that the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone – from their next-door neighbour to the mayor.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c4ac4a74-570f-11db-9110-0000779e2340

    2) An excerpt from New research from Gothenburg University on solidarity in Sweden backs up evidence from previous studies that ethnic diversity is bad for social cohesion.:

    Surveying 9,800 randomly selected people, the [Gothenburg] university’s SOM Institute looked at the degree to which people in Sweden are able to feel a connection with people who differ from themselves…

    The SOM Institute’s findings that people feel less solidarity with ethnic groups other than their own add to a growing body of research showing ethnic diversity has a negative effect on societal cohesion.

    U.S. researchers who in 2013 showed homogeneous or highly segregated neighbourhoods are almost always more cohesive than those which are diverse, reported that diversity prevents “the formation of dense interpersonal networks that are necessary to promote sense of community”.

    Similarly, 2014 research from Australia found diversity had a negative impact on social cohesion and caused residents to “hunker down”, avoiding engagement with the community.

    Researchers said their work supports the theory of Robert Putnam, whose U.S. study yielded similar results, that ethnic diversity erodes trust.

    And a 2014 study by the University of North Carolina which examined regions across Europe, found that “an increase in immigration is related to a decrease in social trust”.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/29/study-ethnic-diversity-bad-sweden/

    Dear, I see that you are once again not being truthful. I was NOT convinced from the beginning about WMD’s in Iraq.

    My apologies, you are right. You did state the following in another thread:

    Actually, I was quite skeptical from the start on that reporting. I had to be convinced by more facts.

    So, while I readily admit I forgot you had said this, there’s a big difference between forgetting what someone said and purposely lying about it… so drop the “once again” nonsense.

    btw – anyone dubious about your gender should take note of the use of the term “Dear”… a dead giveaway.

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  243. Corvinus says:
    @geokat62

    Let’s get back to this statement you made–“You, like most Americans, were unaware the ADL actually coined the phrase “Diversity is Our Strength.”

    What additional evidence do you have that supports their claim?

    Regarding the Putnam Study–which doesn’t show up on your link at all–the author said that ‘in the short term, he writes, there are clearly challenges, but over the long haul, he argues that diversity has a range of benefits for a society, and that the fragmentation and distrust can be overcome. It’s not an easy process, but in the end it’s “well worth the effort. ‘” Putnam cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work. Putnam’s brief contends that his 2007 paper has been “twisted” to make a case against race-conscious admissions, asserting that, on the contrary, his “extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society.”

    Source –> http://www.chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/robert-putnam-says-his-research-was-twisted/30357

    The Gothenburg University “study” was actually a poll taken in Sweden which is a relatively homogenous nation. The researchers, however, noted that social cohesion remains strong in the nation, and “[w]hen it comes to the relationship with groups other than their own, people feel the greatest relationship with those who have a completely different education, but most also feel relatively large relationships with those who have a completely different economy, completely different political opinions or another sexual orientation. The groups that people feel least associated with are those who have a completely different ethnic background, another religion, a completely different lifestyle, and those who come from another culture. Here too, changes over time are very small.”

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  244. geokat62 says:
    @Corvinus

    Regarding the Putnam Study–which doesn’t show up on your link at all–the author said that ‘in the short term, he writes, there are clearly challenges, but over the long haul, he argues that diversity has a range of benefits for a society, and that the fragmentation and distrust can be overcome.

    Unfortunately, it looks as though you have to have a subscription to the FT to get access to the article.

    But with respect to your argument that Putnam says the challenges are short-term in nature and that they may be overcome in the long-run, here are some interesting facts undermining that argument:

    His findings on the downsides of diversity have also posed a challenge for Putnam, a liberal academic whose own values put him squarely in the pro-diversity camp. Suddenly finding himself the bearer of bad news, Putnam has struggled with how to present his work. He gathered the initial raw data in 2000 and issued a press release the following year outlining the results. He then spent several years testing other possible explanations.

    When he finally published a detailed scholarly analysis in June [2007] in the journal Scandinavian Political Studies, he faced criticism for straying from data into advocacy. His paper argues strongly that the negative effects of diversity can be remedied, and says history suggests that ethnic diversity may eventually fade as a sharp line of social demarcation.

    “Having aligned himself with the central planners intent on sustaining such social engineering, Putnam concludes the facts with a stern pep talk,” wrote conservative commentator Ilana Mercer, in a recent Orange County Register op-ed titled “Greater diversity equals more misery.”

    http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/

    And here’s an excerpt from “Greater diversity equals more misery” that further expands on that last point:

    Like many social scientists living in symbiosis with statists, Putnam doesn’t confine himself to observations; he offers recommendations. Having aligned himself with central planners intent on sustaining such social engineering, Putnam concludes the gloomy facts with a stern pep talk. Take the lumps of diversity without complaining! Mass immigration and the attendant diversity are, overall, good for the collective. (Didn’t he just spend five years demonstrating the opposite?)

    To sum up, a scientist-cum-policy wonk “uncovers” patterns of co-existence among human beings that are as old as the hills. Greater diversity equals more misery. So, does he respect these age-old peaceful preferences? No.

    Instead, with all the sympathy of a social planner, he reaffirms the glories of forced integration and recommends dismantling old identities and constructing new, “shared” ones. Putnam pelts the many thousands of miserable individuals he interviewed with utilitarian platitudes: Cheap Tyson chicken and colorful cuisine will, in time, ameliorate their misery.

    http://www.ocregister.com/2007/07/22/ilana-mercer-greater-diversity-equals-more-misery/

  245. Corvinus says:

    You are being a weasel. You made the claim that ADL “actually coined the phrase ‘Diversity Is Our Strength” and believe it to be true without having any evidence to back it up. Where is your proof?

    If you want to rephrase and state that it is your mere opinion on the matter, and you do not know for certain, that would be a step in the right direction.

    “But with respect to your argument that Putnam says the challenges are short-term in nature and that they may be overcome in the long-run, here are some interesting facts undermining that argument…”

    That was Putnam’s argument, not my argument. I was merely quoting him about how people are mischaracterizing his work.

    “here are some interesting facts undermining that argument…”

    In the link you provided, Putnam offered context –> His paper argues strongly that the negative effects of diversity can be remedied, and says history suggests that ethnic diversity may eventually fade as a sharp line of social demarcation. “It would be unfortunate if a politically correct progressivism were to deny the reality of the challenge to social solidarity posed by diversity,” he writes in the new report. “It would be equally unfortunate if an ahistorical and ethnocentric conservatism were to deny that addressing that challenge is both feasible and desirable.”

    Remember, it was one study from several years ago. Have similar studies been conducted in the United States?

    “And here’s an excerpt from “Greater diversity equals more misery” that further expands on that last point…”

    You linked to a prominent conservative who already has her mind made up on this topic. She said ” To sum up, a scientist-cum-policy wonk “uncovers” patterns of co-existence among human beings that are as old as the hills. Greater diversity equals more misery. So, does he respect these age-old peaceful preferences? No.”

    She stated that a broad conclusion was completely true (greater diversity equals more misery) and then argued how a researcher was decidedly wrong for trying to deny something obvious.

    Again, you are being a weasel. You made the claim that ADL “actually coined the phrase ‘Diversity Is Our Strength” and believe it to be true without having any evidence to back it up. Where is your proof?

    If you want to rephrase and state that it is your mere opinion on the matter, and you do not know for certain, that would be a step in the right direction.

  246. Paul2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thanks. I have looked at it. Unfortunately I do not understand what this is supposed to tell me. Sorry.

  247. @Wizard of Oz

    Paul very generously replied to you in detail and explained to you that anyone can observe squibs (explosions) systematically going off down the sides of the buildings ahead of the collapses (actually disintegrations) and there is also video of the accounts of several first-responder firefighters confirming it yet you ignore this and your response appears to be such that you are asking him to disbelieve his own eyes.

    Perhaps it is not an open mind that you require but a vast, empty and open space of a mind, much like your own.

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  248. geokat62 says:

    You are being a weasel.

    Rich, coming from the poster with a record-breaking number of weasel comments.

    You made the claim that ADL “actually coined the phrase ‘Diversity Is Our Strength” and believe it to be true without having any evidence to back it up. Where is your proof?

    Not sure if you missed it, but the source of my statement is something that I provided already in comment #221. Here it is, again:

    For some time, the ADL has promoted the slogan “Diversity is Our Strength.” In keeping with this motto, which it claims to have invented, the ADL has devoted effort and resources to persuading Americans — especially younger Americans — to welcome and embrace ever more social, cultural and racial “diversity.” /17 – Mark Weber, Director of the Institute for Historical Review

    http://ihr.org/other/anti-semitism-why-does-it-exist-dec-2013

    Now, the citation for Mark Weber’s claim is contained in footnote 17:

    17. ADL On the Frontline (New York), Summer 1997, p. 8. This issue of the ADL bulletin also noted with some pride that President Clinton, in his Feb. 1997 “State of the Union” address, had given an unexpected boost to what it called the “ADL tag line.” In that address, Clinton said: “My fellow Americans, we must never, ever believe that our diversity is a weakness. It is our greatest strength.”

    Not sure if you subscribe to the ADL On the Frontline, but if you do, perhaps you could tell us if the contents on page 8 are consistent with Mark Weber’s claim.

    If you want to rephrase and state that it is your mere opinion on the matter, and you do not know for certain, that would be a step in the right direction.

    I don’t want to rephrase anything I wrote. And, going forward, a step in the right direction would be for you to ease up on “the weasel” accusations, ok?

    Remember, it was one study from several years ago. Have similar studies been conducted in the United States?

    I don’t need to see no more ‘stinken studies to know that diversity is what pulls nations apart, not bring them together. The evidence is ample enough for those who have eyes to see. Look at all the no-go zones in Sweden, Germany, Britain, France, Detroit, Chicago, LA, etc., etc., etc. Yet, for some reason, you still need to see the results of more studies? I wonder why?

  249. @NoseytheDuke

    Compared with the anonymous blog commenter Paul’s inferences I prefer the inferences of MIT engineering professors and the actual structural engineer for WTC from what could be seen and, no doubt, from any reported observations of noises by some firemen (who were apparently able to locate the sounds with their ears and escape the 10 second or so collapse). Why don’t you?

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  250. @Paul2

    For starters that the people with the expertise and the motive to look at the apparent fact of two planes hitting the buildings, destroying large parts of the tube structural supports on ine side, sliding through the light weak floors and famous vast open lettable spaces of the WTC buildings till they had brought very hot fires to the heart of the building and to say “that’s very odd, that can’t be happening by weakening and buckling structures with 11 to 24 floors’ weight above them, there must be a demolition charge”DID NOT DO SO. On the contrary Robertson the structural engineer took pride in his attention to detail by planning for an aircraft strike but virtually admitted he hadn’t thought of fire from such a strike and its weakening effects on the lightweight steel floors and trusses.
    Amongst other pertinent details were that it wasn’t just lightweight steel structures replacing concrete which had done a great job protecting the Empire State Building when struck by a B 25 but the contemporary spray on fire retardant was easily knocked off or removed by workmen and not replaced.

  251. @Paul2

    Also ask yourself why WTC2 came down first though hit later. It was of course because the weight of the floors above the weakened crash levels was approx twice as heavy as for WTC 1. It makes the demoition story look increasingly redendant to be polite.
    BTW have you considered the absurdity of the “lots of explosions” stories if translated into a demolition theory? Even supposing demolition charges placed at the respective crash levels by some extraordonarily precise planning why would there be more than one major explosion per building? I daresay the buckling of steel members could make a rata-tat-tat sound as the buildings fell….

  252. Sparkon says:

    How does a 157 ton airplane destroy a 500,000 ton skyscraper?

    Donald Trump on September 11, 2001:

    “The World Trade Center was always known as a very very strong building. Don’t forget that took a big bomb in the basement (1993). Now, the basement is the most vulnerable place because that’s your foundation and it withstood that…

    The building was standing solid and half of the columns were blown out. This was an unbelievably powerful building…the reason the World Trade Center had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows, you had the steel on the outside, the steel on the outside of the building.

    That’s why when I first looked – and you had these big heavy I-beams. When I first looked at it, I couldn’t believe it, because there was a hole in the steel and this is steel that was, you remember the width of the windows of the World Trade Center folks. I think you know if you were ever up there, they were quite narrow and in between was this heavy steel.

    I said how could a plane, even a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been, how could it possibly go through this steel? I happen to think that they had not only a plane but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously, because I just can’t imagine anything being able to go through that wall.

    Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel…”

    Trump was one of the first who said only explosives…

    Two days later on September 13, 2001, Mr. Trump was already singing a different tune, apparently after having undergone a rather rapid epiphany, or perhaps having gotten “the word.”

    When asked by a German interviewer how two Boeings could destroy the WTC, Donald Trump was able now to imagine something going through that steel wall, after all:

    “Um, well, it’s tremendous power, and it’s tremendous heat…the tremendous amounts of fuel that was dumped on the building, and sixteen hundred degree temperature. I guess that was more than anything could take, no matter what.”

    Donald Trump’s complicated and controversial history with 9/11

    Q: So how does an airplane fly through a steel wall?
    A: The same way Spiderman flew around NYC, or Maj. Kong rode the bomb.

    New York Times
    By Bill CARTER
    JAN. 13, 2000

    CBS Is Divided Over the Use Of False Images In Broadcasts

    The CBS decision to use a new form of technology that allows electronically created images to replace actual structures had stirred a debate inside CBS News and today — at news conference attended by Andrew Heyward, the president of CBS News, and Leslie Moonves, the president of CBS Television — it was clear the debate was not over.
    [...]
    He said that he understood the argument against the use of the technology — which is widely employed in sports and some entertainment shows — on news programs. The danger is ”that it looks too real and therefore it’s wrong or potentially wrong,” he said. ”I certainly agree it’s potentially subject to abuse.”

    He noted that advances in computer-generated techniques had made things like missiles hitting Baghdad and airplanes crashing look so real that it was incumbent on networks to underscore that these were not real images.

    Let the viewer beware.

  253. @Wizard of Oz

    Good idea Wiz, why would anyone trust their own eyes when they could instead trust a few shills with some framed paper on the wall. Perhaps it’s some sort of lurid attraction that you have for academic types who wear tweed, who knows?

    There really should be an entirely new category of idiocy created just for you, I would suggest that it be called The Wizard of Idiocy. Any chance Ron Unz would allow a name change for you?

    BTW, Only recently you were advocating the nonsense theory that the buildings were brought down by heated aluminium coming into contact with water, what happened to change your mind?

    Yours is not merely a grand idiocy but a flexible grand idiocy too.

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  254. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    Unless you want to call Theodore Roosevelt and his predecessor McKinley a Zionist, there’s something wrong with this analysis.

    America with or without Zionist influence would always have been an imperialist power. Trouble is, the American people, like Mark Twain, are “opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land,” especially when that means spending American blood and treasure in an endless torrent.

    Thus the big challenge has always been to find a justification for foreign wars: hence the Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Liberty (failed), 9/11, Saddam’s nukes, Assad’s Sarin gas attacks.

    No American President has refused to go along, with the alleged exception of Kennedy.

    Trouble now, is convincing folks of the validity of the latest bogus attack on America or some bunch of terrorists the US is currently backing to do its dirty work. So now we have a new line of persuasion: it’s the “Victoria Nuland made us do it” and similar nonsense. We did it because the President couldn’t help it. Pathetic.

  255. @NoseytheDuke

    What about *the* structural engineer for the WTC structures using the latest lightweight steel and spray on fire resistance instead of concrete who noted, more than incidentally, that it was the architects who were responsible for fire safety and didn’t pretend that there was anything but weight of building above on fire weakened steel that brought the buildings down? (And note that WTC2 which had 25 floors weight above the impact came down much quicker than WTC1 with only 11 floors above the impact).

    As to the explosive qualities of aluminium and water I did not advocate it as the way the towers were brought down but drew attention to it as plausibly explaining or contributing to more than one alleged matter thought to require explanation. One was sounds described as like explosions which are also explicable as the sounds of suddenly buckling steel members. It remains a plausible contributing explanation. Another was the destruction of critical parts of the structure and it remains a plausible contributing though not necessary causal element for that.

    It seems pretty clear that the beauty of WTC’s vast open lettable spaces including perhaps 3 or more extra floors achieved after NY regulations were changed (though I understand the Port Authority didn’t observe the new ones as such) was achieved at the unforseen risk of fires able to weaken critical parts of the steel structures including the lightweight floors and joists which held vertical elements together. And that is perhaps understandable because a typical fire in a high rise building is not started by large quantities of aviation fuel burning after a plane has destroyed a substantial part of the main supporting structures and substantially damaged and cut through several floors.

    The more that silly people – blowhards but with weak egos who can’t stand being wrong and seen to be so – try to boost their hopeless arguments the more obvious it is that the only sinister elements still worth considering are possible finance from Saudi royal connections and possible Israeli knowledge. I am about to point out how pathetic it makes a truther sound to bring up Trump’s expression of incredulity on the day – so that he was obviously speculating that the planes carried explosives – and his changed view after he had had a chance to talk to experts.

  256. @Sparkon

    It really is the last resort of the weak ego that can’t stand to be seen as wrong to cite developer Trump, with just a good layman’s knowledge of structiral engineering matters, as some sort of relevant witness. For all you know the quite likely scenario was that Trump had heard that Robertson had actually remembered the B25 crashing into the Empire State building and planned for the WTC buildings to withstand the impact of a large plane. If so, it would be natural for someone who speaks before he thinks to suppose that the planes must have carried explosives and to blurt out his oral equivalent of a Tweet.

    And by the way do you want to stick with your nonsensical opening gambit? How about “how does a 5 ton torpedo destroy a 70,000 ton capital ship?

  257. @Sparkon

    Cont. How does a man with an axe bring down 1000 ton tree? Or any other equally fatuous formulation equating to your rhetoric.

    Get a grip. It was about heat weakening already damaged structures and there being thousands of tons weight above which depended on those structures for support. Why do you think WTC2 came down after a much shorter interval from the impact than WTC1? There is only one sensible answer.

  258. Gadfly says:

    Philip – a well documented article but the premise is dead wrong.

    The single greatest “threat” to America is not located outside the beltway: it isn’t Russia, China, international terrorism or even Saudi Arabia. The single greatest threat to America are the war-mongering Neo Cons who dominate both major political parties, and all major institutions of the military industrial state: the Pentagon, the State Department, virtually all national intelligence agencies etc.

    THEY are the ones aligning America with questionable jihadist groups, and nations. THEY are the ones advocating for more war, bigger budgets, weapons and destruction – globally. THEY are the ones rallying for Empire, including 800 military bases outside the USA. THEY are the leading supplier of weapons, bombs, bullets, tanks, fighter planes, missiles, etc. to the world. THEY are the ones rooting for war with Russia and/or North Korea (may be China?) or a combination thereof. THEY are the ones advocating an expansion of NATO – sure to cause WW3 sooner or later. ALL of which jeopardize America’s national interests and security – not to mention the rest of the globe.

    Sure there are other “threats” or possibilities. But the greatest danger is from within. That is surely the greatest irony here.

    Look in the mirror please.

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