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One of the interesting side benefits, if one might call it that, of the everlasting investigation into Russiagate is the window provided on the extreme corruption of U.S. politicians and government officials. It has become evident that anyone can seemingly buy political and media support for nearly anything as long as enough money is put on the table. And worse, the sell-out has clearly been going on for some time, with the disease disproportionately afflicting former senior officials that have been engaged in national security.

If this corruption from the top down does not constitute a crisis that directly challenges the credibility of the entire U.S. political system, it is not clear what more would be needed to make the case. And it was not carried out by the Russians or anyone else seeking to bring down our so-called democracy. We Americans appear to have done it all to ourselves through inexplicable tolerance for a combination of greed and fundamental dishonesty on the part of our elected and appointed government officials.

A recent story that received remarkably little play in the media provides some insight into how it all works, driven by a money-fueled corruption that sells out American interests by those who once had sworn to protect them.

The several articles that covered the story described how some prominent figures in the U.S. national security community actively sought a Turkish government sourced contract to use their resources to bring about the character assassination and eventual extradition of American green card holder Fetullah Gülen from Pennsylvania. Gülen is, to be sure, a controversial figure who is the founder in his native Turkey of a movement called Hizmet, which is in turn linked to hundreds of schools worldwide that claim to teach a curriculum that fuses a moderate and tolerant form of Islam with high academic achievement in traditional courses of study, including the sciences.

Critics of Gülen claim that his movement is a cult and that the schools are used to brainwash students, who continue to do Hizmet’s bidding after they obtain positions in government, the military or within the educational system. The current president of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan blames Gülen for the attempted coup that took place last July and has sought his extradition. Erdogan has a strong motive for finding a scapegoat as he has sought to aggrandize his power in the wake of the coup, which has resulted in the imprisonment of tens of thousands of Turks while hundreds of thousands more have lost their jobs.

That Gülen is actually guilty of initiating the coup attempt has not been demonstrated by any reasonable standard. An extradition request submitted to the U.S. government by Ankara was reported to be not very convincing. There have also been suggestions, by me among others, that Erdogan knew about the coup in advance and let it happen so he could crackdown on opponents, which is certainly what has happened. Erdogan has, since the coup, frequently expressed his frustration with the U.S. Department of Justice extradition process, claiming that he has been betrayed by Washington. He has more generally speaking behaved like a madman, antagonizing all his former friends in Europe while also unnecessarily complicating relations with the United States over the two countries’ roles in Syria.

Enter former General Michael Flynn and former Bill Clinton CIA Director James Woolsey, both of whom were national security advisers to candidate Donald Trump during his campaign when they competed for contracts with Turkish businessmen linked to the Erdogan government to discredit Gülen and possibly even enable his abduction and illegal transfer to Turkey. If, as a consequence of their labors, Gülen were to be somehow returned home he would potentially be tried on treason charges, which might in the near future carry the death penalty in Turkey.

Both Flynn and Woolsey are highly controversial figures. Woolsey, in spite of having no intelligence experience, was notoriously appointed CIA Director by Bill Clinton to reward the neoconservatives for their support of his candidacy. But Woolsey never met privately with the president during his two years in office. He is regarded as an ardent neocon and Islamophobe affiliated with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), the Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA) and the AIPAC-founded Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP). I once debated him on NPR where he asserted that Israel does not spy on the United States, a delusional viewpoint to be sure. Former CIA Senior analyst Mel Goodman, recalling Woolsey’s tenure at the Agency, commented in 2003 that “[he] was a disaster as CIA director in the 90s and is now running around this country calling for a World War IV to deal with the Islamic problem. This is a dangerous individual…”

Flynn, is, of course, better known, and not for any good qualities that he might possess. He is, like Woolsey, an ardent hawk on Iran and other related issues but is also ready to make a buck through his company The Flynn Intel Group, where Woolsey served as an unpaid adviser. In the summer of 2016 Flynn had obtained a three-month contract for $530,000 to “research” Gülen and produce a short documentary film discrediting him, an arrangement that should have been reported under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, but the big prize was a possible contract in the millions of dollars to create a negative narrative on the Hizmet founder and put pressure on the U.S. government to bring about his extradition.

Woolsey and Flynn, both Trump advisers at the time, found themselves in competition for the money. Flynn had a New York meeting at the Essex House with the businessmen accompanied by the Turkish Foreign and Energy Ministers as well as Erdogan’s son-in-law on September 19th 2016 where, inter alia, the possibility of kidnapping Gülen and flying him to Turkey was discussed. Flynn has denied that the possibility of kidnapping was ever raised, but Woolsey, who was at the meeting for a brief time, insists that “whisking away” Gülen in the dead of night was on the agenda, though he concedes that the discussion was “hypothetical.”

On the next day, Woolsey and his wife met separately with the same two Turkish businessmen at the Peninsula Hotel in New York City and discussed with them a more general but broadly based $10 million plan of their own that would combine lobbying with public relations to discredit Gülen both in the press and in congress. Woolsey stressed that he had the kind of contacts in government and the media to make the plan work.

Woolsey did not get the $10 million contract that he sought and Flynn’s well-remunerated work for Turkey reportedly consisted of some research, a short documentary that may or may not have been produced, and a November op-ed in The Hill by Flynn that denounced Gülen as a “radical Islamist…who portrays himself as a moderate.”

But the real story about Flynn and Woolsey is the fashion in which senior ex-government employees shamelessly exploit their status to turn money from any and all comers without any regard for either the long- or short- term consequences of what they are doing. The guilt or innocence of Fetullah Gülen was never an issue for them, nor the reputation of the United States judiciary in a case which has all the hallmarks of a political witch hunt. And if a kidnapping actually was contemplated, it begs one to pause and consider what kind of people are in power in this country.

Neither Flynn nor Woolsey ever considered that their working as presidential campaign advisers while simultaneously getting embroiled in an acrimonious political dispute involving a major ally just might be seen as a serious conflict of interest, even if it was technically not-illegal. All that motivated them was the desire to exploit a situation that they cared not at all about for profit to themselves.

No one expects top rank ex-officials to retire from the world, but out of respect for their former positions, they should retain at least a modicum of decency. This is lacking across the board from the Clintons on down to the Flynns and Woolseys as Americans apparently now expect less and less from their elected officials and have even ceased to demand minimal ethical standards.

 
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  1. These guys should’ve joined the en vogue program and just started Foundations.

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  2. It doesn’t much matter what the people want or don’t want, except in choosing the first stooge past the post at election time. Then after, as before, it’s business as usual for them. Ain’t life in post-democracy America grand. At least the fake news Russia-gate is inadvertently turning over all sorts of rocks under which the unexpected has been found. Let ‘er rip, I say.

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  3. Issac says:

    I’ve heard it said that Gülen was stateside precisely because of his potential leverage over Ankara. One could be forgiven thinking, therefor, that he had outlived his usefulness after the failed/faked coup. One might even consider sending him home would be a diplomatic gift to such a “major ally,” as Turkey. Apparently Langley does not want this bargaining chip off the table just yet. Or do they? Who would even know?

    Do you expect Americans to trust current national security state employees more than ex-, if indeed ex- even has the connotation one expects? On what basis would they make this judgement? Are most of the people in either camp not appointments from various neocon-influenced administrations? What would popular resentment of this corruption even look like? Would they demand the passing of legislation that could be ignored?

    What ethical standards can be applied to an organization that can lie, under oath, without repercussion? In a world in which sixth generation American citizens are equated in every way with aggressive third-world refugees, the words “loyalty,” and “corruption,” have lost any foundation upon which they might have meaning.

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  4. And in the news today:

    By CRAIG WHITLOCK | The Washington Post | Published: November 5, 2017

    The “Fat Leonard” corruption investigation has expanded to include more than 60 admirals and hundreds of other U.S. Navy officers under scrutiny for their contacts with a defense contractor in Asia who systematically bribed sailors with sex, liquor and other temptations [like cash], according to the Navy.

    Most of the admirals are suspected of attending extravagant feasts at Asia’s best restaurants paid for by Leonard Glenn Francis, a Singapore-based maritime tycoon who made an illicit fortune supplying Navy vessels in ports from Vladivostok, Russia, to Brisbane, Australia. Francis also was renowned for hosting alcohol-soaked, after-dinner parties, which often featured imported prostitutes and sometimes lasted for days, according to federal court records.

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    The 350-pound Francis, also known in Navy circles as “Leonard the Legend” for his wild-side lifestyle, spent decades cultivating relationships with officers, many of whom developed a blind spot to his fraudulent ways. Even while he and his firm were being targeted by Navy criminal investigators, he received VIP invitations to ceremonies in Annapolis and Pearl Harbor, where he hobnobbed with four-star admirals, according to photographs.

    The Justice Department has filed criminal charges against 28 people, including two admirals, since Francis was arrested in an international sting operation four years ago. Those cases comprise the worst corruption scandal in Navy history, but they represent a fraction of a much larger list of Navy officials under investigation but whose names have been mostly kept secret.

    In response to queries from The Post, the Navy recently confirmed that it has been reviewing the conduct of 440 other active-duty and retired personnel – including 60 current and former admirals – for possible violations of military law or federal ethics rules in their dealings with Francis and his company, Glenn Defense Marine Asia.

    That is double the number of admirals whom Navy officials said were under investigation last year (The Navy has about 210 admirals on active duty).

    The caseload has grown as the Justice Department has given the Navy additional dossiers of individuals who did not meet the threshold for prosecution in civilian courts, but may have committed offenses under the military justice system, officials said.

    The Navy’s handling of the cases has been largely opaque to the public. The Navy has identified only 10 of the 440 individuals who have come under military investigation and has divulged few details about their ties to Francis, even in cases that have been closed.

    The vast majority of those under scrutiny are officers, according to the Navy. Officials said Francis targeted only a few enlisted sailors with his bribes.

    Navy officials said revealing additional names or more information about their involvement could violate their privacy rights and compromise ongoing cases.

    “The release of such information . . . would likely reveal sensitive details about the breadth and scope of the criminal investigation and pending cases,” Cmdr. Mike Kafka, a Navy spokesman, said in a statement.

    So far, the Navy has charged five people with crimes – none of them admirals – under military law, charging documents show.

    In addition, the Navy said it has determined that 40 people committed misconduct by violating ethics rules or other regulations. Their cases have been handled administratively, meaning they did not involve criminal charges.

    In many instances, the Navy was prevented from taking tougher action because the statute of limitations under military law – five years for most felonies – had expired. The oldest matter reviewed so far dated to 1992, while most occurred between 2004 and 2010, according to a Navy official.

    The official said the Navy has concluded that about half of those under review – 230 people – were not guilty of misconduct. Some were found to have had little or no contact with Francis. Many others attended dinners or accepted gifts, but the Navy determined that there were extenuating circumstances that excused their actions, said the official, who was authorized to speak only under the condition of anonymity.

    Francis, 53, is in jail in San Diego as he awaits sentencing in federal court. He pleaded guilty in 2015 to bribing “scores” of Navy officials and defrauding the service of more than $35 million. One of his attorneys, Ethan Posner, declined to comment for this article.

    Francis’s widespread overbilling of the Navy had been an open secret for years. In response to a flood of fraud complaints dating to 2006, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) opened more than two-dozen separate investigations into Glenn Defense, according to law-enforcement records.

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    Ya beat me to it.

    We can all bet that this is only the tip of the iceberg. 60 out of ~210 admirals under suspicion here.

    ‘Fat Leonard’ probe expands to ensnare more than 60 admirals


    …the Navy recently confirmed that it has been reviewing the conduct of 440 other active-duty and retired personnel — including 60 current and former admirals — for possible violations of military law or federal ethics rules in their dealings with Francis and his company, Glenn Defense Marine Asia.
    That is double the number of admirals whom Navy officials said were under investigation last year (The Navy has about 210 admirals on active duty).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fat-leonard-scandal-expands-to-ensnare-more-than-60-admirals/2017/11/05/f6a12678-be5d-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.a212fe8f69a9
     

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  5. RobinG says:

    …the sell-out.. disease.. afflicting…officials…in national security.

    …corruption from the top down…a combination of greed and…dishonesty…

    Amen, Phil, and Americans are collateral damage.

    General Michael Hayden abandoned an NSA cyber program –that could have prevented the 9/11 attack– in favor of a less effective plan that was more profitable for corporate security firms, and generated greater funding for the intelligence agency.

    “A Good American” tells the story of former Technical director of NSA, Bill Binney, and a program called ThinThread. He and a small team within NSA created a surveillance tool that could pick up any electronic signal on earth, filter it for targets and render results in real-time. NSA leadership dumped it – three weeks prior to 9/11.

    Watch it free, before it’s taken down.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlkAxAc7EjI

    Documentary: A Good American (2017)- [HD]

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  6. Just think.

    Casino king, lord of vice industry, is the #1 donor to the GOP.

    Politics was always about money, but now it’s totally shameless.

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  7. So did Flynn take the considerable risks of nondisclosure because he was an ideologue or was it primarily for the money? And was it pathological or just stupidly brazen?
    The Gereral’s pardon awaits.

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  8. What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

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    „I know of no other country where love of money has such a grip on men’s hearts or where stronger scorn is expressed for the theory of permanent equality of property.“
    Tocqueville

    Dishonesty and greed - the American way from the beginning.
    , @Rich
    I'm not trolling you, Jilles, you just keep showing up on this site bashing America with factually wrong statements. I'm aware that the Netherlands is a pleasant nation, both my wife and I have some Dutch ancestry, but the Netherlands, like the US, isn't perfect. The fact is that every country, from Venezuela to Monaco, is a great country when one is rich, I'd bet even Holland is nice if you've got a few bucks.

    To your point about your health issues. Here in the US there are two primary medical insurance programs run by the government, Medicare and Medicaid. If you're over 65 you are automatically covered by Medicare, there are some low costs associated with it, but if you're too poor to pay them, you don't have to. Medicaid is a government run health insurance program for the poor and uninsured in the US. In most cases all medical conditions are covered for free in this program. No hospital emergency room in the US is allowed to refuse treatment, either. Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren't really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.
    , @Che Guava
    Jilles,

    I will be praying for your health before sleeping, and already have, wil again before really sleeping.

    This article by Mr.Giraldi, is interesting, but I was to sayimg it was a self-coup at the time, a set-up (on thir site). Also to expect that the participants in the lured coup were Kemalists, not Gulen

    Oddly, at almost the same time, the only Turkish restaurant I was going to burnt down, along with the three floors above it. Nobody burnt or dead.

    I am sure in my heart that they were setting the fire themselves for the insurance money.
    , @pepperinmono
    Here is the truth about health care in US as seen by someone immersed in it for 40 years:

    No one dies for lack of money.
    No one.
    If you have a little, you may have to give much of it up for expensive care.
    But isn't that the way it should be?

    If you are poor to begin with, all the care you want , no questions asked , all you have to do is sign up.
    Many won't even do this minimum, by choice, but still get care.
    Some of these choose to die.

    It is worse for working poor or lower middle class for the reasons mentioned above.

    Don't get me wrong.
    There are many major problems in the system.
    Dying for lack of money is not one of them.
    , @Wally
    Gee, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that they just keep on coming to such a horrible country.

    BTW:
    Is there a country where money does not "dominate all"?

    , @Anon
    Sickness and suffering are difficult to face, I'm glad you have the spirit to keep interested in international affairs and commenting here, it is enriching for all readers. We are never alone, for we are all in God's hands, though often we are not aware. I will pray for you, with best wishes.
    , @Alden
    I am severely handicapped, 75 years old and poor. For a very minimal payment each month I get some of the best medical care in the world, the Beverly Hills, Santa Monica Brentwood Ca excellent Drs. I actually don't make the payment. It's picked up by some government agency.

    Like so many left wing snobbish Europeans you are so ignorant you don't think we have medical care in this country except for the rich. You are incredibly naive and credulous. Proof is that you believe there is no medical care in this country.

    Although I am poor, I used to be in the allegedly 3rd best hospital in the country. It is not a great hospital because it is filled with affirmative action foreign non White workers from Drs to technicians.

    I was able to switch to the best hospital in California which is a few miles west of me.

    You should test the American system. Come to Los Angeles on a tourist visa. Let it expire. then present yourself at Providence, UCLA, Cedars, St. John's etc with all your diseases.

    You will get the exact same excellent care that I and my multimillionaire neighbors and relatives get.


    FYI, did you know that your pathetic little brothel of a country has so few advanced medical machines that it has contracts with hospitals in our state of Texas to care for dutch patients? Your pathetic little brothel of a country's National Health system flies hundreds of patients to Texas hospitals and clinics to be diagnosed on our most advanced medical technology.

    I only post about things I have experienced and know about. You just mouth off your leftist propaganda nonsense our our national health system.


    The reason we don't have a federal national health system is that we don't need one. Each state and county has its own free health system for the indigent. Included in those indigent are millions of illegal aliens every year. Given that many USA counties are the size of France we cover everyone with our state and county health systems.

    We have counties and even cities that are larger than some European counties including your pathetic little brothel.

    Unlike me, you post ignorant nonsense leftist propagandists have poured into your empty vessel of a brain.

    You have posted a lot of totally ignorant and absolutely not true things on UNZ. But your post that only the very rich have medical care in this country is the post ignorant and uniformed of all.

    You should be banned for your totally, absolutely ignorant uniformed posting.

    I just picked up 2 prescriptions total cost to me, a crippled poor old lady was $3.21, about 2 English pounds or 4 Euros.

    The total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was..........$0.00.

    Total cost to me for the old age government health insurance and supplemental health insurance is $0.00 per month.

    I have an English brother in law who goes back home about every 2 years. All his friends and family are the standard European idiot intellectuals who know nothing about America but for the liberal propaganda poured into their empty vessel brains.

    He just loves refuting their idiocy like your ignorant nonsense that only the very very rich can afford medical care in this country. Or that "there is no public transportation in New York City" "have you ever been to New York City?" "No" "Then how do you know there is no public transit in NYC"
    " I've been told"

    If you came here as an indigent visa overstayer illegal alien, you would get the same excellent medical care that I and all the Americans who paid into the system all our lives get.

    The real problem with our medical system is that we care for millions of foreigners every year who don't pay anything at all for the care. For instance, China uses America as a health and retirement system since it doesn't have much of a pension system. I guess under communism most people died early.

    But every single week day, immigrant welfare societies bring Chinese who arrived just a few days beofre into the old age social security office and sign them up for full medical care and an old age pension for those who never worked. That pension for those who never worked is SSI as opposed to SSA for those who worked and contributed to the pension system. And a lot of those Chinese are not even 65 which is the age to qualify for the pension. They are in their 50's but equipped with fraudulent documents claiming they are 65 which gets them the pension.

    How can you continually post such total ignorance about America and not be ashamed? Haven't your heard of google and wikepedia?

    You are have an empty vessel of a brain that liberal propaganda central poured ignorant, false, lying, fraudulent, completely, quite, totally wrong information into.

    If you posted that the Netherlands is north of France, west of Germany and east of Britain I wouldn't believe you because so ignorant and untrue are most of your comments and observations.

    And what brought on your ignorant comment about health care? The article is about American foreign affairs and government, not health care. But you just had to insert your totally off topic snarky slimey little observation. Look up the word germane.

    What next, in all of America there is no public transit, neither trains nor buses, nor subways? Or America has no public libraries and Americans don't read? All Americans are bible thumper fundamentalist Christians who believe the world was created in 6 days 6 thousand years ago? That blacks are burnt at the stake and lynched in city hall plaza as weekend recreation?

    A lot of your comments and observations are what Moscow sent to the useful idiot journalists, college professors and idiot intellectuals all during the cold war. And you are one of the empty vessels into which the propaganda was pumped.


    You should post about what you know and American health care is something about which you know nothing.
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  9. Oddly enough, I thought that Gülen was a Company asset, and that that was the reason they took Flynn down. Not that I know anything, just speculation.

    Meanwhile, in the private sector, for anybody below the C-Suite there is an ever increasing pressure for compliance policies that outlaw all but the most trivial gifts or meals and entertainment in order to prevent corruption and abuse of position.

    Just a couple observations here, but the world economy went into the toilet around the time the big Western economies started pushing all this anti-corruption stuff for businesses, and one cannot help but notice that political corruption in the West has become far more sophisticated in the past twenty years, with payoffs arriving after the fact to provide some degree of plausible deniability for the politicos and apparatchiks involved.

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  10. JackOH says:

    Phil, thanks. Every sentence tells here of an America off the rails.

    A onetime local mayor in my area may offer an idea of the type of person we need. Pat U. has balls of steel. The Mob was against him. City hall bureaucrats were against him. The unions were against him. The police were against him. Corrupt cops threatened to frame him. The priest who’d married him and his wife was enlisted as an errand boy to deliver bribe money. Pat once publicly described our area as a “banana republic”. He had a remote car starter installed to guard against assassination by car bombing. He was elected for multiple terms, and survived all attempts to crush him.

    What did Pat have going for him? Personal anatomy. A wife who’d been a very young Polish WWII refugee, and who knew a thing or two about government gone bad and people gone bad. A strong, incorruptible law director, and a strong, incorruptible budget and finance guy. Charisma, and, of course, votes. He kept a local Mr. Big, a zillionaire briber of politicians, at a distance and worked warily with him. Pat met the challenges of an economically collapsing area pretty well.

    How many politicians could weather the permanent storm of American corruption as well as Pat? Not a whole lot.

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    Thanks for that great story.

    How many politicians could weather the permanent storm of American corruption as well as Pat? Not a whole lot.
     
    I'd guess almost zero.
    , @Supremely Annoyed
    Inspiring story. Sadly since we let go of Christianity we also let go of our soul, and integrity. There aren't too many like Pat anymore. The only one I can think of now who is most like him in office is VP Mike Pence, he comes across a man of integrity and honor. But since he's responsible for assembling Trump's cabinet I'm now extremely unimpressed with him, he's assembled a house full of swamp creatures and neocons.

    I think Steve Bannon and Ann Coulter will genuinely do what is good for the country rather than themselves if they are ever elected to office. Trump turns out to be a liar and a megalomaniac who easily bends to the Jewish cabal headed by his son-in-law.

    No one in the Democratic party is honest and honorable except Bernie Sanders, too bad his ideas are so kooky he's just unelectable, and sadly no one else I can think of in the GOP either. All our politicians are cowardly, stupid/cunning, hungry for power/wealth, and self-serving.
    , @Anon
    Maybe some few will be enough. The future belongs to creative minorities, that show us a better way to live. Thanks for the story.
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  11. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The corruption in DC must be setting a record unmatched in history. It doesn’t help that our craven, corrupt Congress sets its own rules regarding pay and benefits, but has also passed laws saying its ‘OK’ for those elite to engage in insider trading.
    Each Rep and Senator knows that kissing up to the Fortune 500 guarantees them a job after they leave Congress, with a fat paycheck, bennies and sexy secretaries more than happy to take DICKtation, all provided by the company’s they took care of while in Congress.

    Compounding the situation is the equally rotten DOJ, who has no problem going after blue-collar crime, but won’t touch the real problem, those TBTF Wall Street banks acting like out-of-control casinos who then dump their losses on the backs on the American taxpayer. The latest USAG head Sessions is more confirmation that the Senate is a ‘good ol’ boys’ and girls club that will not go after current and former members, as Sessions will NOT go after the thieving, lying, traitorous Hillary for her many crimes.

    Its impossible to Drain the Swamp when it has so many creatures that snack on Americans and protect each other.

    Short of a revolution, this can only end badly for Americans.

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    The swamp of Washington D.C. cannot possibly be drained because it is so bloody well backup at the source...
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  12. I would love to have seen that debate.

    I am not a fan of the contention that Iran embodies all things evil about Islam. But it is disappointing that Gen Flynn’s advocacy is mired in a competition for financial contract.

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    I am not a fan of the contention that Iran embodies all things evil about Islam.
     
    On the other hand, I am a fan of the contention that the white race embodies all things evil about Christianity. :D
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  13. Tom Welsh says:

    “We Americans appear to have done it all to ourselves through inexplicable tolerance for a combination of greed and fundamental dishonesty on the part of our elected and appointed government officials”.

    One thing about you Americans that often surprises foreigners is your readiness to believe that all this corruption is something new or different. It has been going on ever since well before 1776.

    My own opinion is that systematic corruption is a more or less inevitable consequence of Americans’ attempts to cut themselves off from all previous history and moral standards. There were to be no royalty, nobility, gentry – no one exceptional at all in any way.

    Well, human nature abhors a lack of hierarchy: we need it almost as much as water, air, food, security. If you try to abolish all forms of hierarchy, all that happens is that it goes underground. What do Americans respect – what, indeed, have they respected most since (at least) the 1850s? Money. That’s it. Cold hard cash. Wealth is next to godliness. The more money you have, the better a person you are thought to be – absolutely regardless of whether you got it by grinding the faces of the workers, murder, torture, drug dealing, or anything else.

    But money is not, cannot be a value. Marx explained this in fairly simple terms, but the following is my favourite way of putting it.

    ‘As the sociologist Georg Simmel wrote over a century ago, if you make money the center of your value system, then finally you have no value system, because money is not a value’.

    – Morris Berman, “The Moral Order”, Counterpunch 8-10 February 2013. http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/08/the-moral-order/

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    My own opinion is that systematic corruption is a more or less inevitable consequence of Americans’ attempts to cut themselves off from all previous history and moral standards. There were to be no royalty, nobility, gentry – no one exceptional at all in any way.
     
    Well, the royalty, nobility, gentry as well as the chief priests and rabbis and and almost everyone in a position of power have historically been pretty corrupt, I'd say. In fact it's probably accurate to say that all of them have been based on violence, treachery and bullshit or some varying mixture of those things has been the rule since rule began.

    As far as worshipping money, you are correct, but the systemic corruption is baked into the cake by the way most political systems generally arise, and it's not only an American phenomenon since a person reading Aristophanes, Plutarch, Juvenal, Herbert Spencer and tons more could as well be writing of current events. The concepts are unchanged; only the names, dates and minor particular issues have changed.

    Upon arriving at Messene Philip proceeded to devastate the country like an enemy acting from passion rather than from reason. 2 For he expected, apparently, that while he continued to inflict injuries, the sufferers would never feel any resentment or hatred towards him.

    -The Histories of Polybius , Book VIII, pg 465, Section III. Affairs of Greece, Philip, and Messenia. published in Vol. III
    of the Loeb Classical Library edition, 1922 thru 1927
    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/8*.html
     
    I

    The concept is not only ancient, but cross-cultural too.

    "... The Master said, 'Why do you not leave this place?' The answer was, 'There is no oppressive government here.' The Master then said to his disciples: 'Remember this, my little children. Oppressive government is more terrible than tigers.'"

    -Confucius as quoted in The Ethics of Confucius, by Miles Menander Dawson, [1915]
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/cfu/eoc/eoc10.htm

     

    , @richard vajs
    The least bloody way to deal with a society in which money is God (especially at the upper levels) is to make it harder for anyone can accumulate great amounts of it. This is simply done by increasing the income tax rates. Make $50,000/yr. and you keep virtually all of it; make $500,000/ yr, , and you surrender 49% of it over $50,000; make $5,000,000 / yr. and you surrender 80% of it over $500,000. If you are going to steal, lie and rape for money, you will do it for the betterment of the society as a whole. The more you act like a pig, the more poor kids you will get to feed. The more money-grubbing that you do, the more bridges and highways you will build.
    We do not need a moral re-awakening, just get our incentives right. When the "John Galts" can no longer waltz in and grab everything not tied down and then sneak off to feast in private, money will be seen again as a tool and not as a goal in itself.
    The proposed tax cuts for the filthy rich will only make for a more cruel, nasty society. We need a focused tax hike instead.
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  14. Tom Welsh says:

    “That Gülen is actually guilty of initiating the coup attempt has not been demonstrated by any reasonable standard. An extradition request submitted to the U.S. government by Ankara was reported to be not very convincing”.

    That is one of the many good reasons why some of us want to leave the EU. In the EU it would not matter whether anything had been demonstrated to any standard. Requests for extradition from any member nation are always honoured immediately and without question, quite regardless of whether there is any evidence – or, indeed, whether the alleged crime is even one that exists in the accused person’s own country.

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  15. @Carlton Meyer
    And in the news today:

    By CRAIG WHITLOCK | The Washington Post | Published: November 5, 2017

    The "Fat Leonard" corruption investigation has expanded to include more than 60 admirals and hundreds of other U.S. Navy officers under scrutiny for their contacts with a defense contractor in Asia who systematically bribed sailors with sex, liquor and other temptations [like cash], according to the Navy.

    Most of the admirals are suspected of attending extravagant feasts at Asia's best restaurants paid for by Leonard Glenn Francis, a Singapore-based maritime tycoon who made an illicit fortune supplying Navy vessels in ports from Vladivostok, Russia, to Brisbane, Australia. Francis also was renowned for hosting alcohol-soaked, after-dinner parties, which often featured imported prostitutes and sometimes lasted for days, according to federal court records.

    The 350-pound Francis, also known in Navy circles as "Leonard the Legend" for his wild-side lifestyle, spent decades cultivating relationships with officers, many of whom developed a blind spot to his fraudulent ways. Even while he and his firm were being targeted by Navy criminal investigators, he received VIP invitations to ceremonies in Annapolis and Pearl Harbor, where he hobnobbed with four-star admirals, according to photographs.

    The Justice Department has filed criminal charges against 28 people, including two admirals, since Francis was arrested in an international sting operation four years ago. Those cases comprise the worst corruption scandal in Navy history, but they represent a fraction of a much larger list of Navy officials under investigation but whose names have been mostly kept secret.

    In response to queries from The Post, the Navy recently confirmed that it has been reviewing the conduct of 440 other active-duty and retired personnel - including 60 current and former admirals - for possible violations of military law or federal ethics rules in their dealings with Francis and his company, Glenn Defense Marine Asia.

    That is double the number of admirals whom Navy officials said were under investigation last year (The Navy has about 210 admirals on active duty).

    The caseload has grown as the Justice Department has given the Navy additional dossiers of individuals who did not meet the threshold for prosecution in civilian courts, but may have committed offenses under the military justice system, officials said.

    The Navy's handling of the cases has been largely opaque to the public. The Navy has identified only 10 of the 440 individuals who have come under military investigation and has divulged few details about their ties to Francis, even in cases that have been closed.

    The vast majority of those under scrutiny are officers, according to the Navy. Officials said Francis targeted only a few enlisted sailors with his bribes.

    Navy officials said revealing additional names or more information about their involvement could violate their privacy rights and compromise ongoing cases.

    "The release of such information . . . would likely reveal sensitive details about the breadth and scope of the criminal investigation and pending cases," Cmdr. Mike Kafka, a Navy spokesman, said in a statement.

    So far, the Navy has charged five people with crimes - none of them admirals - under military law, charging documents show.

    In addition, the Navy said it has determined that 40 people committed misconduct by violating ethics rules or other regulations. Their cases have been handled administratively, meaning they did not involve criminal charges.

    In many instances, the Navy was prevented from taking tougher action because the statute of limitations under military law - five years for most felonies - had expired. The oldest matter reviewed so far dated to 1992, while most occurred between 2004 and 2010, according to a Navy official.

    The official said the Navy has concluded that about half of those under review - 230 people - were not guilty of misconduct. Some were found to have had little or no contact with Francis. Many others attended dinners or accepted gifts, but the Navy determined that there were extenuating circumstances that excused their actions, said the official, who was authorized to speak only under the condition of anonymity.

    Francis, 53, is in jail in San Diego as he awaits sentencing in federal court. He pleaded guilty in 2015 to bribing "scores" of Navy officials and defrauding the service of more than $35 million. One of his attorneys, Ethan Posner, declined to comment for this article.

    Francis's widespread overbilling of the Navy had been an open secret for years. In response to a flood of fraud complaints dating to 2006, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) opened more than two-dozen separate investigations into Glenn Defense, according to law-enforcement records.

    Ya beat me to it.

    We can all bet that this is only the tip of the iceberg. 60 out of ~210 admirals under suspicion here.

    ‘Fat Leonard’ probe expands to ensnare more than 60 admirals

    …the Navy recently confirmed that it has been reviewing the conduct of 440 other active-duty and retired personnel — including 60 current and former admirals — for possible violations of military law or federal ethics rules in their dealings with Francis and his company, Glenn Defense Marine Asia.
    That is double the number of admirals whom Navy officials said were under investigation last year (The Navy has about 210 admirals on active duty).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fat-leonard-scandal-expands-to-ensnare-more-than-60-admirals/2017/11/05/f6a12678-be5d-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.a212fe8f69a9

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  16. OOps, sorry. The edit function isn’t working for me. I may have wrongly stated the ratio of crooks since there apparently are ~210 on active duty while there are ~60 active and retired under suspicion here.

    Sorry

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  17. We Americans appear to have done it all to ourselves through inexplicable tolerance for a combination of greed and fundamental dishonesty on the part of our elected and appointed government officials.

    One might call it stupid to believe that a nation could invest its government with the power to handle and disburse vast sums of money without becoming corrupt.

    Then again one might call that belief insane.

    One thing is clear, giving the government that much power and money is sure to corrupt it.

    Anyone who expects anything else of human beings does not know much about human beings.

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    Ben Franklin's famous quote while voting to adopt the US Constitution.

    "Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other."

    ----------------------
    And that was back when the Fed Govt was designed to be much smaller and much less powerful than today. Today's great power concentrated in the US govt, including the power to destroy entire countries or businesses and of course people, as well as a great deal of money which can then thus make people fabulously wealthy, means that this govt is far more susceptable to corruption than the one old Ben Franklin was referring to.

    In a country where money means anything and can buy anything, then one must assume that everything is corrupt.
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  18. Z-man says:

    Flynn was the worst associate that Trump fell in love with. That’s a flaw of Trump. He did get rid of Gorka and one or two other NeoCons, unfortunately he has an ‘influential’ son in law that he can’t get rid of that easily whose connected by blood to Jooland. And then again he has a Zionist speech writer…Steven Miller, who’s very good pushing back the anti Trump press, but still a Zionist Joo.
    ‘Second Coming’ anyone? (Grin)

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  19. Moi says:

    What’s PG griping about? Our elected leaders, senior officials and corporate captains pretty accurately reflect what our country has devolved into.

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  20. @JackOH
    Phil, thanks. Every sentence tells here of an America off the rails.

    A onetime local mayor in my area may offer an idea of the type of person we need. Pat U. has balls of steel. The Mob was against him. City hall bureaucrats were against him. The unions were against him. The police were against him. Corrupt cops threatened to frame him. The priest who'd married him and his wife was enlisted as an errand boy to deliver bribe money. Pat once publicly described our area as a "banana republic". He had a remote car starter installed to guard against assassination by car bombing. He was elected for multiple terms, and survived all attempts to crush him.

    What did Pat have going for him? Personal anatomy. A wife who'd been a very young Polish WWII refugee, and who knew a thing or two about government gone bad and people gone bad. A strong, incorruptible law director, and a strong, incorruptible budget and finance guy. Charisma, and, of course, votes. He kept a local Mr. Big, a zillionaire briber of politicians, at a distance and worked warily with him. Pat met the challenges of an economically collapsing area pretty well.

    How many politicians could weather the permanent storm of American corruption as well as Pat? Not a whole lot.

    Thanks for that great story.

    How many politicians could weather the permanent storm of American corruption as well as Pat? Not a whole lot.

    I’d guess almost zero.

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  21. @jilles dykstra
    What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

    „I know of no other country where love of money has such a grip on men’s hearts or where stronger scorn is expressed for the theory of permanent equality of property.“
    Tocqueville

    Dishonesty and greed – the American way from the beginning.

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    dude, are you kidding ? have you gotten a clue of the level of corruption in a country like Italy ? They are centuries ahead. America is just beginning. And in the US it is a mere result of who has gained total control of the country in the recent decades. Obvious.
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  22. @Tom Welsh
    "We Americans appear to have done it all to ourselves through inexplicable tolerance for a combination of greed and fundamental dishonesty on the part of our elected and appointed government officials".

    One thing about you Americans that often surprises foreigners is your readiness to believe that all this corruption is something new or different. It has been going on ever since well before 1776.

    My own opinion is that systematic corruption is a more or less inevitable consequence of Americans' attempts to cut themselves off from all previous history and moral standards. There were to be no royalty, nobility, gentry - no one exceptional at all in any way.

    Well, human nature abhors a lack of hierarchy: we need it almost as much as water, air, food, security. If you try to abolish all forms of hierarchy, all that happens is that it goes underground. What do Americans respect - what, indeed, have they respected most since (at least) the 1850s? Money. That's it. Cold hard cash. Wealth is next to godliness. The more money you have, the better a person you are thought to be - absolutely regardless of whether you got it by grinding the faces of the workers, murder, torture, drug dealing, or anything else.

    But money is not, cannot be a value. Marx explained this in fairly simple terms, but the following is my favourite way of putting it.

    'As the sociologist Georg Simmel wrote over a century ago, if you make money the center of your value system, then finally you have no value system, because money is not a value'.

    – Morris Berman, “The Moral Order”, Counterpunch 8-10 February 2013. http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/08/the-moral-order/

    My own opinion is that systematic corruption is a more or less inevitable consequence of Americans’ attempts to cut themselves off from all previous history and moral standards. There were to be no royalty, nobility, gentry – no one exceptional at all in any way.

    Well, the royalty, nobility, gentry as well as the chief priests and rabbis and and almost everyone in a position of power have historically been pretty corrupt, I’d say. In fact it’s probably accurate to say that all of them have been based on violence, treachery and bullshit or some varying mixture of those things has been the rule since rule began.

    As far as worshipping money, you are correct, but the systemic corruption is baked into the cake by the way most political systems generally arise, and it’s not only an American phenomenon since a person reading Aristophanes, Plutarch, Juvenal, Herbert Spencer and tons more could as well be writing of current events. The concepts are unchanged; only the names, dates and minor particular issues have changed.

    Upon arriving at Messene Philip proceeded to devastate the country like an enemy acting from passion rather than from reason. 2 For he expected, apparently, that while he continued to inflict injuries, the sufferers would never feel any resentment or hatred towards him.

    -The Histories of Polybius , Book VIII, pg 465, Section III. Affairs of Greece, Philip, and Messenia. published in Vol. III
    of the Loeb Classical Library edition, 1922 thru 1927

    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/8*.html

    I

    The concept is not only ancient, but cross-cultural too.

    “… The Master said, ‘Why do you not leave this place?’ The answer was, ‘There is no oppressive government here.’ The Master then said to his disciples: ‘Remember this, my little children. Oppressive government is more terrible than tigers.’”

    -Confucius as quoted in The Ethics of Confucius, by Miles Menander Dawson, [1915]

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/cfu/eoc/eoc10.htm

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  23. What’s PG griping about? Our elected leaders, senior officials and corporate captains pretty accurately reflect what our country has devolved into.

    Sorry good sir, but no devolution needed.

    It was baked in the cake from inception. The “anti-federalists” warned us but the warnings fell on deaf (and powerless and preoccupied) ears.

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  24. Rich says:
    @jilles dykstra
    What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

    I’m not trolling you, Jilles, you just keep showing up on this site bashing America with factually wrong statements. I’m aware that the Netherlands is a pleasant nation, both my wife and I have some Dutch ancestry, but the Netherlands, like the US, isn’t perfect. The fact is that every country, from Venezuela to Monaco, is a great country when one is rich, I’d bet even Holland is nice if you’ve got a few bucks.

    To your point about your health issues. Here in the US there are two primary medical insurance programs run by the government, Medicare and Medicaid. If you’re over 65 you are automatically covered by Medicare, there are some low costs associated with it, but if you’re too poor to pay them, you don’t have to. Medicaid is a government run health insurance program for the poor and uninsured in the US. In most cases all medical conditions are covered for free in this program. No hospital emergency room in the US is allowed to refuse treatment, either. Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren’t really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.

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    Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren’t really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.
     
    That may or may not be so, I'd have to see some statistics.

    The evidence of my lyon' eyes tells me plenty of people are living on the streets.

    My gentrified neighborhood insisted that police remove the men who slept under dumpsters in the alleys -- they moved them to bridge abutments and abandoned industrial sites.

    Public libraries are ersatz day-care-for-hoboes; libraries now have police patrolling to ensure that the mentally ill regulars do not act out too loudly or stink too badly.

    Washington, DC libraries post extensive rules on the bathroom doors: NO shaving, NO showering, NO sex in the bathrooms.

    , @jilles dykstra
    In the Netherland medical care is the same for everyone.
    When I visited USA friends in 2001, if I remember correctly, friends of the friends asked me if their son could be treated in the Netherlands, for treatment in the USA they would have to sell their house, the other choice was te let the child die.
    As I wrote, I am seriously ill, kept alive, for a limited time, I know that, couple of months, a few years, nobody knows, by very expensive medication.
    My nephew in the USA said, what I knew, 'had you lived here, you would be bankrupt'.

    My criticism on the USA, as I stated before, is not the USA people, they no longer hunt down Indians, as they did at the end of the 19th century.
    They are the victims of USA money just like the people in Iraq or Lybia or whatever.
    They are not killed, like the people in far away countries, though.

    In 1919 the USA people were aware of how they had been misled, that their sons had died in Europe for imperialism.
    The USA never ratified Versailles, it became pacifist and isolationist.
    Alas, as Sol Bloom writes in his autobiography 'the great accomplishment of Roosevelt was that he gradually prepared the USA people for war'.
    Sol Bloom, ‘The Autobiography of Sol Bloom’, New York 1948.

    Eisenhower, in his farewell speech, warned for the USA industrial complex.
    Barbara Hinckley, Sheldon Goldman, ‘American Politics and Government, Structure, Processes, Institutions and Policies’, Glenview Ill., 1990
    gives some interesting examples how the war industry in the USA succeeds in making money.
    And of course, to justify the huge USA military budgetn wars must be fought.

    It is the same with NATO, that has the biggest building in Europe, it cost one and a half billion euro, several thousand people earn their living there, with what, I do not have a clue.
    But also of course NATO cannot exist without wars, or the threat of war, and so they try to provoke war with Russia, the country that keeps us warm in winter with gas.
    In order to become independent of Russian gas new houses here are going to cost E 40.000 more, on insulation, to save the climate, of course.

    The EU is an accomplice in the game, with the military paragraph inn the association treaty with Ukraine, that we Dutch do not want, we voted by referendum against it.
    I suppose we also are going to vote by referendum against a law that enables secret services to spy on what and who they want, it will be the last referendum for a long time, the present errand boys and girls of Brussels here are going to abolish the referendum law.

    The Netherlands was a democracy, alas, as in the USA, elections are just a charade since 2005, when we rejected the so called EU constitution.
    In two other countries referenda were held, France and Ireland, as with us two third rejected this so called constitution.
    It was accepted without the flag and the European anthem.
    , @bjondo
    medicare is bull
    part a is expensive
    part b is expensive and coverage is limited
    if one replaces with private, can be expensive
    medicaid? think if used, govt will own whatever one owns.
    at death, govt takes before heirs.
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  25. Contrary to the proverb, fish DO NOT rot from the head down but from the gut. The rampant corruption practiced by elected and unelected US officials alike, simply mirrors that of the nation as a whole.

    thehttp://www.brainstormwarning.org/2008/10/30/the-fish-rots-from-the-head

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  26. Our government is not our government anymore , it is a criminal cabal ran for and by criminals and as such is not legitimate anymore and this has led to perpetual war for perpetual profit and perpetual corruption, we are Rome and the end is near.

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    we are Rome and the end is near.
     
    I think of Athens in 415 BC just before the battle of Syracuse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Expedition
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  27. Joe Hide says:

    Amazing changes for the Good are taking place at an ever more rapid rate. The exposure of the shenanigans of flynn and woolsey are literal examples of the figurative “The darkness hates the Light because the Light exposes the darkness for it’s evil deeds”. The internet and authors like this allow the Light (Truth) into Humanities Consciousness. Keep it up Giraldi!

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  28. @Rich
    I'm not trolling you, Jilles, you just keep showing up on this site bashing America with factually wrong statements. I'm aware that the Netherlands is a pleasant nation, both my wife and I have some Dutch ancestry, but the Netherlands, like the US, isn't perfect. The fact is that every country, from Venezuela to Monaco, is a great country when one is rich, I'd bet even Holland is nice if you've got a few bucks.

    To your point about your health issues. Here in the US there are two primary medical insurance programs run by the government, Medicare and Medicaid. If you're over 65 you are automatically covered by Medicare, there are some low costs associated with it, but if you're too poor to pay them, you don't have to. Medicaid is a government run health insurance program for the poor and uninsured in the US. In most cases all medical conditions are covered for free in this program. No hospital emergency room in the US is allowed to refuse treatment, either. Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren't really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.

    Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren’t really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.

    That may or may not be so, I’d have to see some statistics.

    The evidence of my lyon’ eyes tells me plenty of people are living on the streets.

    My gentrified neighborhood insisted that police remove the men who slept under dumpsters in the alleys — they moved them to bridge abutments and abandoned industrial sites.

    Public libraries are ersatz day-care-for-hoboes; libraries now have police patrolling to ensure that the mentally ill regulars do not act out too loudly or stink too badly.

    Washington, DC libraries post extensive rules on the bathroom doors: NO shaving, NO showering, NO sex in the bathrooms.

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    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.
    , @Rich
    Who are these hobos living in the street? Here in NYC they are drug addicts or mentally unstable people. Why are they allowed to live in the street? Because leftist judges and politicians have made it illegal to force them into mental hospitals or drug addiction facilities. Leftists believe this is a sign of their benevolence. I don't know of anyone who is actually homeless because of poverty in the US. There's just too many programs, from section 8, to welfare, to public housing available.
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  29. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Our government is not our government anymore , it is a criminal cabal ran for and by criminals and as such is not legitimate anymore and this has led to perpetual war for perpetual profit and perpetual corruption, we are Rome and the end is near.

    we are Rome and the end is near.

    I think of Athens in 415 BC just before the battle of Syracuse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Expedition

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  30. As seems to be always the case, all roads lead bck to Donald Trump.

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  31. Old Ben says:
    @another fred

    We Americans appear to have done it all to ourselves through inexplicable tolerance for a combination of greed and fundamental dishonesty on the part of our elected and appointed government officials.
     
    One might call it stupid to believe that a nation could invest its government with the power to handle and disburse vast sums of money without becoming corrupt.

    Then again one might call that belief insane.

    One thing is clear, giving the government that much power and money is sure to corrupt it.

    Anyone who expects anything else of human beings does not know much about human beings.

    Ben Franklin’s famous quote while voting to adopt the US Constitution.

    “Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”

    ———————-
    And that was back when the Fed Govt was designed to be much smaller and much less powerful than today. Today’s great power concentrated in the US govt, including the power to destroy entire countries or businesses and of course people, as well as a great deal of money which can then thus make people fabulously wealthy, means that this govt is far more susceptable to corruption than the one old Ben Franklin was referring to.

    In a country where money means anything and can buy anything, then one must assume that everything is corrupt.

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    ...as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”
     
    I could be classified as a big fan of BF, but I think today he'd change that to...

    ...as other forms have done before it, when the leaders shall become so corrupted as to benefit even more from despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

    It seems to me that the fish is always on the verge of rotting, and I on't know if it starts at the head or not, but the thing still stinks, and the head, at least, has always been pretty rotten.
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  32. @SolontoCroesus

    Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren’t really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.
     
    That may or may not be so, I'd have to see some statistics.

    The evidence of my lyon' eyes tells me plenty of people are living on the streets.

    My gentrified neighborhood insisted that police remove the men who slept under dumpsters in the alleys -- they moved them to bridge abutments and abandoned industrial sites.

    Public libraries are ersatz day-care-for-hoboes; libraries now have police patrolling to ensure that the mentally ill regulars do not act out too loudly or stink too badly.

    Washington, DC libraries post extensive rules on the bathroom doors: NO shaving, NO showering, NO sex in the bathrooms.

    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.

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    I seriously question a left wing neo-Marxist study of US healthcare. Give me a break.

    Was the increased pricing effect of Obamacare mentioned? Nope.
    , @Ron Unz

    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care...As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.
     
    Actually, I think the former figure is a *gigantic* over-estimate...

    Offhand, I'd say there are something like 100 million middle-class white Americans and maybe 11 million or so illegal immigrants. And there were also over 17,000 total homicides during 2016.

    Now if we're talking about ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals, I doubt the figure is even remotely close to 1-in-a-million per year, which would be a total of 100. In fact, I'm quite skeptical about whether the total is above 10/year, which would be one-in-10-million. That's the reason that neither VDare nor any of the other anti-immigrant webzines can almost ever find any real-life cases to talk about.

    In my opinion, the notion that anything more than an infinitesimal number of American whites are murdered by illegals is just a total Internet hoax that's been endlessly propagated by silly activists.

    If anyone on this thread thinks I'm wrong then I challenge them to locate at least 10 cases of ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals in 2016 (I'm not talking about Aryan Brotherhood gang members shivved in prison brawls or wives killing husbands/husbands killing wives). If you can't find ten cases in all of America during an entire year, then I'm probably right.
    , @Bragadocious
    And in the UK more than 20,000 elderly die each year because they don't have adequate heat in their goddamned homes. Preventable deaths happen everywhere. One case that got a ton of press in Europe was the poor black kid from the DC area who had a toothache. His mom ignored it until the point that the tooth had abscessed and the abscess went to his brain. He died. Whose fault was that? According to Europeans, it was all our fault. They can kiss my ass.

    What is this odd fixation with the U.S.?
    , @Alden
    Academics did this study? How naive and credulous to believe anything done by an academic.
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  33. Rich says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren’t really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.
     
    That may or may not be so, I'd have to see some statistics.

    The evidence of my lyon' eyes tells me plenty of people are living on the streets.

    My gentrified neighborhood insisted that police remove the men who slept under dumpsters in the alleys -- they moved them to bridge abutments and abandoned industrial sites.

    Public libraries are ersatz day-care-for-hoboes; libraries now have police patrolling to ensure that the mentally ill regulars do not act out too loudly or stink too badly.

    Washington, DC libraries post extensive rules on the bathroom doors: NO shaving, NO showering, NO sex in the bathrooms.

    Who are these hobos living in the street? Here in NYC they are drug addicts or mentally unstable people. Why are they allowed to live in the street? Because leftist judges and politicians have made it illegal to force them into mental hospitals or drug addiction facilities. Leftists believe this is a sign of their benevolence. I don’t know of anyone who is actually homeless because of poverty in the US. There’s just too many programs, from section 8, to welfare, to public housing available.

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    If memory serves, conservative Republicans led efforts to de-fund mental institutions and other public health programs that benefited the general public because "we can no longer afford them". Sound familiar?
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  34. TheOldOne says:

    US is the most Jewed country in the world, with possible exception of (Eskimaux) land; what did we expect? It comes with all that “LIBERTY”.

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  35. @Old Ben
    Ben Franklin's famous quote while voting to adopt the US Constitution.

    "Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other."

    ----------------------
    And that was back when the Fed Govt was designed to be much smaller and much less powerful than today. Today's great power concentrated in the US govt, including the power to destroy entire countries or businesses and of course people, as well as a great deal of money which can then thus make people fabulously wealthy, means that this govt is far more susceptable to corruption than the one old Ben Franklin was referring to.

    In a country where money means anything and can buy anything, then one must assume that everything is corrupt.

    …as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”

    I could be classified as a big fan of BF, but I think today he’d change that to…

    …as other forms have done before it, when the leaders shall become so corrupted as to benefit even more from despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

    It seems to me that the fish is always on the verge of rotting, and I on’t know if it starts at the head or not, but the thing still stinks, and the head, at least, has always been pretty rotten.

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  36. There is more honour in a lake full of crocodiles than there is in the American heart.

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  37. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A couple references to “2017” should be corrected to 2016.

    Thank you for using this wonderfully bipartisan example. One has to be pretty naive to think that R and D mean much in Washington. Flush twice!

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  38. Wally says:
    @Old and in the way
    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.

    I seriously question a left wing neo-Marxist study of US healthcare. Give me a break.

    Was the increased pricing effect of Obamacare mentioned? Nope.

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  39. Jake says:

    Of course, top officials sell out to anyone for anything. It is always that way in any Empire, save the ones ruled by very bright and brutal men who make it clear that so doing will cost in the biggest ways.

    And then there is the fact of WASP culture being one in which everything is for sale. You can see the issue in all kinds of works of literature, from Jonson’s The Alchemist to Hardy’s Tess of the D’Urbervilles and beyond. That is what underlay the English rotating between fury and amusement that the Irish and Highlanders were to too stupid about pence and pounds to know when to sell, including their freedom and family heritage. The same dynamic was highlighted in Yankee WASPs versus Southerners, whose sense of honor was both hated furiously and laughed ay endlessly by pure-blood Anglo-Saxon Yankees.

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  40. Ron Unz says:
    @Old and in the way
    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.

    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care…As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.

    Actually, I think the former figure is a *gigantic* over-estimate…

    Offhand, I’d say there are something like 100 million middle-class white Americans and maybe 11 million or so illegal immigrants. And there were also over 17,000 total homicides during 2016.

    Now if we’re talking about ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals, I doubt the figure is even remotely close to 1-in-a-million per year, which would be a total of 100. In fact, I’m quite skeptical about whether the total is above 10/year, which would be one-in-10-million. That’s the reason that neither VDare nor any of the other anti-immigrant webzines can almost ever find any real-life cases to talk about.

    In my opinion, the notion that anything more than an infinitesimal number of American whites are murdered by illegals is just a total Internet hoax that’s been endlessly propagated by silly activists.

    If anyone on this thread thinks I’m wrong then I challenge them to locate at least 10 cases of ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals in 2016 (I’m not talking about Aryan Brotherhood gang members shivved in prison brawls or wives killing husbands/husbands killing wives). If you can’t find ten cases in all of America during an entire year, then I’m probably right.

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    How does this question get into the same conversation about inadequate medical services in USA? Inadequate coverage and unaffordability then.

    But conflate away the real 500lb canary in the room'' to the no. of poor… (not poor) everyday whites… We, (middle income level), not really class necessarily, but that's another issue.

    But I bet there's more than a 100, that's a spit in a bucket. There was one prominent killing recently on a dock in SF. How about killings nobody knows about, and some of those must be of white shits who prowl the streets drunk, or abuse illegals to an extreme degree that gets them a severe reaction etc.

    Remember "Ilegal immigrants'' are as a rule aware of their need to stay out of trouble, which may prevent crime to a point, but also make them more clever about avoiding being caught.


    If you can’t find ten cases in all of America during an entire year, then I’m probably right.

     

    I can't find a good no. but I don't think it is logical that you are thereby certified correct.

    But more importantly is that the medical coverage issue, is a real problem with development of burgeoning class of under employed and under covered Americans in the present scenario. (I include any class and types who need help.)

    Not made better by immigration, unless that would be medical personnel.

    What a great niche is the medical insurance industry though, as it is a sure thing! Everybody is up for some relief when faced with horrendous pain and destruction of self and loved ones, it is the surest form of Extractive device for a defective economy.

    Immigration is the least of the problems, but is a tool to be used by the SOB's that run the show, for good or bad.

    , @anon
    VDare sees an America that is purely European peaceful at peace with itself but doing those same very wonderful things that America has been doing for last 100 years abroad . They want it pure simple an ALL AMERICAN Affairs Of European descent.

    The scholars on those sites spew venom , hatred,divisiveness and offer Utopian European dream purely for self promotion .

    They conveniently have forgot that Europe was most murderous place on the earth until WW2 from the time of 800 AD . Here on this site some have taken a liking hiding the history of their ancestors who came from East Europe , Georgia,Russia and places like Eukarine and Armenia and Greece . They want to regain some sense of belonging to something that have eluded their ancestors for 1000 years They hope to achieve that sense by redirecting American system of corruption to White only people . They want to hijack British-American worldview . They want same empire without any string attached.


    They are like Bannon who wants no Kissinger but Smith and Roosevelt or Hanningan or Vicortskov to enjoy the fruits of American experience imported from abroad . Given a chance ,they will start slavery .
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  41. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @EliteCommInc.
    I would love to have seen that debate.

    I am not a fan of the contention that Iran embodies all things evil about Islam. But it is disappointing that Gen Flynn's advocacy is mired in a competition for financial contract.

    I am not a fan of the contention that Iran embodies all things evil about Islam.

    On the other hand, I am a fan of the contention that the white race embodies all things evil about Christianity. :D

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    Laughing.


    I am not even a tangential fan of that kind of thinking.

    But I did find the comment humorous (moderately so.).
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  42. Che Guava says:
    @jilles dykstra
    What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

    Jilles,

    I will be praying for your health before sleeping, and already have, wil again before really sleeping.

    This article by Mr.Giraldi, is interesting, but I was to sayimg it was a self-coup at the time, a set-up (on thir site). Also to expect that the participants in the lured coup were Kemalists, not Gulen

    Oddly, at almost the same time, the only Turkish restaurant I was going to burnt down, along with the three floors above it. Nobody burnt or dead.

    I am sure in my heart that they were setting the fire themselves for the insurance money.

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  43. @jilles dykstra
    What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

    Here is the truth about health care in US as seen by someone immersed in it for 40 years:

    No one dies for lack of money.
    No one.
    If you have a little, you may have to give much of it up for expensive care.
    But isn’t that the way it should be?

    If you are poor to begin with, all the care you want , no questions asked , all you have to do is sign up.
    Many won’t even do this minimum, by choice, but still get care.
    Some of these choose to die.

    It is worse for working poor or lower middle class for the reasons mentioned above.

    Don’t get me wrong.
    There are many major problems in the system.
    Dying for lack of money is not one of them.

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    Dying for lack of money is not one of them.
     
    Same for dying due to lack of access to health care, or lack of health insurance.

    None of the above is a disease or mortal wound as far as I've been able to tell, but I'm no pathologist.
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  44. MBlanc46 says:

    “Modicum of decency”? By former elected officials and functionaries? Maybe in some other possible world.

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  45. @Rich
    I'm not trolling you, Jilles, you just keep showing up on this site bashing America with factually wrong statements. I'm aware that the Netherlands is a pleasant nation, both my wife and I have some Dutch ancestry, but the Netherlands, like the US, isn't perfect. The fact is that every country, from Venezuela to Monaco, is a great country when one is rich, I'd bet even Holland is nice if you've got a few bucks.

    To your point about your health issues. Here in the US there are two primary medical insurance programs run by the government, Medicare and Medicaid. If you're over 65 you are automatically covered by Medicare, there are some low costs associated with it, but if you're too poor to pay them, you don't have to. Medicaid is a government run health insurance program for the poor and uninsured in the US. In most cases all medical conditions are covered for free in this program. No hospital emergency room in the US is allowed to refuse treatment, either. Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren't really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.

    In the Netherland medical care is the same for everyone.
    When I visited USA friends in 2001, if I remember correctly, friends of the friends asked me if their son could be treated in the Netherlands, for treatment in the USA they would have to sell their house, the other choice was te let the child die.
    As I wrote, I am seriously ill, kept alive, for a limited time, I know that, couple of months, a few years, nobody knows, by very expensive medication.
    My nephew in the USA said, what I knew, ‘had you lived here, you would be bankrupt’.

    My criticism on the USA, as I stated before, is not the USA people, they no longer hunt down Indians, as they did at the end of the 19th century.
    They are the victims of USA money just like the people in Iraq or Lybia or whatever.
    They are not killed, like the people in far away countries, though.

    In 1919 the USA people were aware of how they had been misled, that their sons had died in Europe for imperialism.
    The USA never ratified Versailles, it became pacifist and isolationist.
    Alas, as Sol Bloom writes in his autobiography ‘the great accomplishment of Roosevelt was that he gradually prepared the USA people for war’.
    Sol Bloom, ‘The Autobiography of Sol Bloom’, New York 1948.

    Eisenhower, in his farewell speech, warned for the USA industrial complex.
    Barbara Hinckley, Sheldon Goldman, ‘American Politics and Government, Structure, Processes, Institutions and Policies’, Glenview Ill., 1990
    gives some interesting examples how the war industry in the USA succeeds in making money.
    And of course, to justify the huge USA military budgetn wars must be fought.

    It is the same with NATO, that has the biggest building in Europe, it cost one and a half billion euro, several thousand people earn their living there, with what, I do not have a clue.
    But also of course NATO cannot exist without wars, or the threat of war, and so they try to provoke war with Russia, the country that keeps us warm in winter with gas.
    In order to become independent of Russian gas new houses here are going to cost E 40.000 more, on insulation, to save the climate, of course.

    The EU is an accomplice in the game, with the military paragraph inn the association treaty with Ukraine, that we Dutch do not want, we voted by referendum against it.
    I suppose we also are going to vote by referendum against a law that enables secret services to spy on what and who they want, it will be the last referendum for a long time, the present errand boys and girls of Brussels here are going to abolish the referendum law.

    The Netherlands was a democracy, alas, as in the USA, elections are just a charade since 2005, when we rejected the so called EU constitution.
    In two other countries referenda were held, France and Ireland, as with us two third rejected this so called constitution.
    It was accepted without the flag and the European anthem.

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    I can only assume your friends didn't have health insurance in 2001 and must have been fairly wealthy if they didn't qualify for government assistance. Perhaps they were misinformed, or unaware of the myriad of programs available, especially for a sick child. I hope they were able to get the care they needed and their child was okay. And of course there are fixes needed for the medical insurance programs in the US, but I'm unaware of anyone who has been denied care because they couldn't afford it.

    As for the US hunting down Indians, what kind of nonsense are you smoking. There were maybe 1 million Indians in what is today the continental US. There was plenty of land available for both the Europeans and the Indians. In fact, because of a shortage of women, many of the tribes intermarried with American colonists and many signed peace treaties with the Americans and lived in peace. On the other hand there were also hostile Indians, who raped, kidnapped and murdered Whites. The situation isn't Bad Whites against Good Injuns. There was both good and bad on both sides, the Whites just won.
    , @anarchyst
    Before you criticize the American health care system, look to your own "socialized medicine" system. Look at the British "National Health Service" who recently consigned a baby to death and would not allow the parents to bring the child to the USA for treatment.
    Yes, the American system needs improvement, BUT, anyone who walks into an emergency room WILL BE TREATED. There are programs specifically for children, when their parents cannot afford to pay for treatment.
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  46. Art says:

    Did Flynn get crossways with the Mossad – is that why he is in trouble today?

    Clearly Gülen has protection in America – that has to mean Mossad/CIA backing.

    I have seen writing that says that Gülen has ties to Israel. That explains a lot.

    Think Peace — Art

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  47. Is corruption uniquely part of the US system of government (beyond the obvious propensity for all systems to become corrupted);
    or does the US system of governance have unique loopholes, or systemic weaknesses, that make corruption more likely;
    or is/has the US system of governance been corrupted by the machinations of a group or of some ‘bad apples,’

    Are Woolsey/Flynn examples of the “bad apple” notion: their lack of character has spread rot to the larger system? Their rot has normalized corruption?

    Just watched two interviews, a conversation with Robert McNamara and Errol Morris, who directed the documentary, Fog of War, about McNamara’s controversial career and decisions about war.

    McNamara is widely described as an SOB of dubious moral fiber. In this conversation, he does not hide from his complicity in enormously harmful decisions, but does spell out the forces involved, not only the venal, career-protecting influences but also the realization that decisions involve the lives of large numbers of US men in uniform.
    McNamara also tries to articulate the complexities — and restraint — with which past political leaders such as himself must approach their post-employment situation: while they do have knowledge, from experience, about situations, McNamara argues that it was his belief that he had to tread very lightly in making public opinions or prescriptions.

    Then, Errol Morris was interviewed about his documentary film on Donald Rumfseld. Morris was scathing: Rumsfeld was all about his career, his voluminous “snowflake” memos were meandering BS, self-aggrandizing; Morris was especially outraged with Rumsfeld’s reaction to a seriously wounded soldier — it was a photo op; no measure of humanity was in evidence.
    Interesting contrast between McNamara and Rumsfeld

    “Cometh the hour, cometh the man.”

    Or Cometh the man, rot-eth the barrel.”

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    McNamara is widely described as an SOB of dubious moral fiber. In this conversation, he does not hide from his complicity in enormously harmful decisions, but does spell out the forces involved, not only the venal, career-protecting influences but also the realization that decisions involve the lives of large numbers of US men in uniform.
     
    Interesting that you mentioned it. I remember years ago watching McNamara's Q&A session after his lecture in one of the US "liberal" universities. I found myself surprised (in a good sense) with his into your face readiness to face anything thrown at him. He went ballistic when some student shouted "murderer" from back seats of the auditorium but McNamara spoke to this student passionately and personally. He was absolutely human and vulnerable, yet honest. In some sense it was very touching and you could see how it also tormented him. As per neocons, from what I observed so far, I never encountered any indication of any of them being simply decent humans--they are human sewer.
    , @jacques sheete
    "Is corruption uniquely part of the US system of government (beyond the obvious propensity for all systems to become corrupted)..."

    It's unique only in the particulars.

    Corruption was baked into the cake from the beginning as the anti-federalists knew. Some of the delegates to the constitutional convention boycotted it and I think Rhode Island also refused to even send delegates, pretty much convinced that they wanted no part of it beforehand.

    As for the complexities you so accurately pointed out, Herbert Spencer for one, mentioned them in his essay, "Over-Legislation" which explains the problem in detail.

    No human is fit for a position of more than a little power; society has become too complex for any system or individual to do anything but hamper effective progress or worse. in McNamara's case his decisions were undoubtedly for the worse overall.


    …the cautious thinker may reason—"If in these personal affairs, where all the conditions of the case were known to me, I have so often miscalculated, how much oftener shall I miscalculate in political affairs, where the conditions are too numerous, too widespread, too complex, too obscure to be understood...

    Indeed this faith in governments is in a certain sense organic; and can diminish only by being outgrown. From the time when rulers were thought demi-gods, there has been a gradual decline in men's estimates of their power. This decline is still in progress, and has still far to go…All superstitions die hard; and we fear that this belief in government-omnipotence will form no exception.

    Herbert Spencer, Over-Legislation (1853)
    This essay first appeared in The Westminster Review for July, 1853 and was reprinted in Spencer's Essays: Scientific, Political and Speculative (London and New York, 1892, in three volumes).
    http://www.econlib.org/library/LFBooks/Spencer/spnMvS7.html


     

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  48. @SolontoCroesus
    Is corruption uniquely part of the US system of government (beyond the obvious propensity for all systems to become corrupted);
    or does the US system of governance have unique loopholes, or systemic weaknesses, that make corruption more likely;
    or is/has the US system of governance been corrupted by the machinations of a group or of some 'bad apples,'

    Are Woolsey/Flynn examples of the "bad apple" notion: their lack of character has spread rot to the larger system? Their rot has normalized corruption?

    Just watched two interviews, a conversation with Robert McNamara and Errol Morris, who directed the documentary, Fog of War, about McNamara's controversial career and decisions about war.

    McNamara is widely described as an SOB of dubious moral fiber. In this conversation, he does not hide from his complicity in enormously harmful decisions, but does spell out the forces involved, not only the venal, career-protecting influences but also the realization that decisions involve the lives of large numbers of US men in uniform.
    McNamara also tries to articulate the complexities -- and restraint -- with which past political leaders such as himself must approach their post-employment situation: while they do have knowledge, from experience, about situations, McNamara argues that it was his belief that he had to tread very lightly in making public opinions or prescriptions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGn-Szs-1Fc

    Then, Errol Morris was interviewed about his documentary film on Donald Rumfseld. Morris was scathing: Rumsfeld was all about his career, his voluminous "snowflake" memos were meandering BS, self-aggrandizing; Morris was especially outraged with Rumsfeld's reaction to a seriously wounded soldier -- it was a photo op; no measure of humanity was in evidence.
    Interesting contrast between McNamara and Rumsfeld

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvur6GundE

    "Cometh the hour, cometh the man."

    Or Cometh the man, rot-eth the barrel."

    McNamara is widely described as an SOB of dubious moral fiber. In this conversation, he does not hide from his complicity in enormously harmful decisions, but does spell out the forces involved, not only the venal, career-protecting influences but also the realization that decisions involve the lives of large numbers of US men in uniform.

    Interesting that you mentioned it. I remember years ago watching McNamara’s Q&A session after his lecture in one of the US “liberal” universities. I found myself surprised (in a good sense) with his into your face readiness to face anything thrown at him. He went ballistic when some student shouted “murderer” from back seats of the auditorium but McNamara spoke to this student passionately and personally. He was absolutely human and vulnerable, yet honest. In some sense it was very touching and you could see how it also tormented him. As per neocons, from what I observed so far, I never encountered any indication of any of them being simply decent humans–they are human sewer.

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    {As per neocons, from what I observed so far, I never encountered any indication of any of them being simply decent humans–they are human sewer.}

    No. Neocons are not human, sewer or not: 'decent'? Please.
    They are cold-blooded alien reptilians as in TV-series "V".
    Pearl, Wolfowitz, Penis (Dick) Cheeeney, et al cannot possibly be human.

    The things have no feelings towards warm-blooded sentient beings.
    We humans are nothing more than a host for the parasites to perpetuate their species, at our expense.

    Somehow or another we humans need to eradicate the alien reptilian infestation from our human body.

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    @Andrei Martyanov

    McNamara is widely described as an SOB of dubious moral fiber. In this conversation, he does not hide from his complicity in enormously harmful decisions, but does spell out the forces involved, not only the venal, career-protecting influences but also the realization that decisions involve the lives of large numbers of US men in uniform.
     
    Interesting that you mentioned it. I remember years ago watching McNamara's Q&A session after his lecture in one of the US "liberal" universities. I found myself surprised (in a good sense) with his into your face readiness to face anything thrown at him. He went ballistic when some student shouted "murderer" from back seats of the auditorium but McNamara spoke to this student passionately and personally. He was absolutely human and vulnerable, yet honest. In some sense it was very touching and you could see how it also tormented him. As per neocons, from what I observed so far, I never encountered any indication of any of them being simply decent humans--they are human sewer.

    {As per neocons, from what I observed so far, I never encountered any indication of any of them being simply decent humans–they are human sewer.}

    No. Neocons are not human, sewer or not: ‘decent’? Please.
    They are cold-blooded alien reptilians as in TV-series “V”.
    Pearl, Wolfowitz, Penis (Dick) Cheeeney, et al cannot possibly be human.

    The things have no feelings towards warm-blooded sentient beings.
    We humans are nothing more than a host for the parasites to perpetuate their species, at our expense.

    Somehow or another we humans need to eradicate the alien reptilian infestation from our human body.

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  50. Not to defend Michael Flynn who I think is dishonest and should be investigated, I’m also highly suspicious of the true motive of Fetullah Gülen. He has been using our public funds to build 120 charter schools in 25 states specifically catering to Muslim kids, not just bypassing our public education law regarding separation of church and state, but many of these schools are now being investigated for fraud, money laundering, immigration fraud, funneling US public funds to secret Gulen organizations in Turkey etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement_schools

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  51. Rich says:
    @jilles dykstra
    In the Netherland medical care is the same for everyone.
    When I visited USA friends in 2001, if I remember correctly, friends of the friends asked me if their son could be treated in the Netherlands, for treatment in the USA they would have to sell their house, the other choice was te let the child die.
    As I wrote, I am seriously ill, kept alive, for a limited time, I know that, couple of months, a few years, nobody knows, by very expensive medication.
    My nephew in the USA said, what I knew, 'had you lived here, you would be bankrupt'.

    My criticism on the USA, as I stated before, is not the USA people, they no longer hunt down Indians, as they did at the end of the 19th century.
    They are the victims of USA money just like the people in Iraq or Lybia or whatever.
    They are not killed, like the people in far away countries, though.

    In 1919 the USA people were aware of how they had been misled, that their sons had died in Europe for imperialism.
    The USA never ratified Versailles, it became pacifist and isolationist.
    Alas, as Sol Bloom writes in his autobiography 'the great accomplishment of Roosevelt was that he gradually prepared the USA people for war'.
    Sol Bloom, ‘The Autobiography of Sol Bloom’, New York 1948.

    Eisenhower, in his farewell speech, warned for the USA industrial complex.
    Barbara Hinckley, Sheldon Goldman, ‘American Politics and Government, Structure, Processes, Institutions and Policies’, Glenview Ill., 1990
    gives some interesting examples how the war industry in the USA succeeds in making money.
    And of course, to justify the huge USA military budgetn wars must be fought.

    It is the same with NATO, that has the biggest building in Europe, it cost one and a half billion euro, several thousand people earn their living there, with what, I do not have a clue.
    But also of course NATO cannot exist without wars, or the threat of war, and so they try to provoke war with Russia, the country that keeps us warm in winter with gas.
    In order to become independent of Russian gas new houses here are going to cost E 40.000 more, on insulation, to save the climate, of course.

    The EU is an accomplice in the game, with the military paragraph inn the association treaty with Ukraine, that we Dutch do not want, we voted by referendum against it.
    I suppose we also are going to vote by referendum against a law that enables secret services to spy on what and who they want, it will be the last referendum for a long time, the present errand boys and girls of Brussels here are going to abolish the referendum law.

    The Netherlands was a democracy, alas, as in the USA, elections are just a charade since 2005, when we rejected the so called EU constitution.
    In two other countries referenda were held, France and Ireland, as with us two third rejected this so called constitution.
    It was accepted without the flag and the European anthem.

    I can only assume your friends didn’t have health insurance in 2001 and must have been fairly wealthy if they didn’t qualify for government assistance. Perhaps they were misinformed, or unaware of the myriad of programs available, especially for a sick child. I hope they were able to get the care they needed and their child was okay. And of course there are fixes needed for the medical insurance programs in the US, but I’m unaware of anyone who has been denied care because they couldn’t afford it.

    As for the US hunting down Indians, what kind of nonsense are you smoking. There were maybe 1 million Indians in what is today the continental US. There was plenty of land available for both the Europeans and the Indians. In fact, because of a shortage of women, many of the tribes intermarried with American colonists and many signed peace treaties with the Americans and lived in peace. On the other hand there were also hostile Indians, who raped, kidnapped and murdered Whites. The situation isn’t Bad Whites against Good Injuns. There was both good and bad on both sides, the Whites just won.

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    As for the US hunting down Indians, what kind of nonsense are you smoking.
     
    They were hunted down. Often it was after they were disarmed and promised protection.

    Check out the Sand Creek Massacre, for one. It pays to know about these things because one of the reasons they were wiped out is that they didn't make good slaves and therein may be a lesson for uppity white boys...

    Anyway, back to Sand Creek...

    Captain Silas S. Soule and Lieutenant Joseph A. Cramer of the 1st Colorado (U.S.) Volunteer Cavalry put their military careers - and lives – at risk by refusing to fire during the [US military] attack against a peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho village at Sand Creek, November 29, 1864. With their companies backing them up, they purposely took little or no part in the massacre [of many women and children]...


    Several weeks after Soule testified before the commission, he was shot in the streets of Denver. His murderers, although known, were never brought to justice.


    https://www.nps.gov/sand/learn/historyculture/upload/Combined-Letters-with-Sign.pdf
     
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  52. @pepperinmono
    Here is the truth about health care in US as seen by someone immersed in it for 40 years:

    No one dies for lack of money.
    No one.
    If you have a little, you may have to give much of it up for expensive care.
    But isn't that the way it should be?

    If you are poor to begin with, all the care you want , no questions asked , all you have to do is sign up.
    Many won't even do this minimum, by choice, but still get care.
    Some of these choose to die.

    It is worse for working poor or lower middle class for the reasons mentioned above.

    Don't get me wrong.
    There are many major problems in the system.
    Dying for lack of money is not one of them.

    Dying for lack of money is not one of them.

    Same for dying due to lack of access to health care, or lack of health insurance.

    None of the above is a disease or mortal wound as far as I’ve been able to tell, but I’m no pathologist.

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  53. @SolontoCroesus
    Is corruption uniquely part of the US system of government (beyond the obvious propensity for all systems to become corrupted);
    or does the US system of governance have unique loopholes, or systemic weaknesses, that make corruption more likely;
    or is/has the US system of governance been corrupted by the machinations of a group or of some 'bad apples,'

    Are Woolsey/Flynn examples of the "bad apple" notion: their lack of character has spread rot to the larger system? Their rot has normalized corruption?

    Just watched two interviews, a conversation with Robert McNamara and Errol Morris, who directed the documentary, Fog of War, about McNamara's controversial career and decisions about war.

    McNamara is widely described as an SOB of dubious moral fiber. In this conversation, he does not hide from his complicity in enormously harmful decisions, but does spell out the forces involved, not only the venal, career-protecting influences but also the realization that decisions involve the lives of large numbers of US men in uniform.
    McNamara also tries to articulate the complexities -- and restraint -- with which past political leaders such as himself must approach their post-employment situation: while they do have knowledge, from experience, about situations, McNamara argues that it was his belief that he had to tread very lightly in making public opinions or prescriptions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGn-Szs-1Fc

    Then, Errol Morris was interviewed about his documentary film on Donald Rumfseld. Morris was scathing: Rumsfeld was all about his career, his voluminous "snowflake" memos were meandering BS, self-aggrandizing; Morris was especially outraged with Rumsfeld's reaction to a seriously wounded soldier -- it was a photo op; no measure of humanity was in evidence.
    Interesting contrast between McNamara and Rumsfeld

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvur6GundE

    "Cometh the hour, cometh the man."

    Or Cometh the man, rot-eth the barrel."

    “Is corruption uniquely part of the US system of government (beyond the obvious propensity for all systems to become corrupted)…”

    It’s unique only in the particulars.

    Corruption was baked into the cake from the beginning as the anti-federalists knew. Some of the delegates to the constitutional convention boycotted it and I think Rhode Island also refused to even send delegates, pretty much convinced that they wanted no part of it beforehand.

    As for the complexities you so accurately pointed out, Herbert Spencer for one, mentioned them in his essay, “Over-Legislation” which explains the problem in detail.

    No human is fit for a position of more than a little power; society has become too complex for any system or individual to do anything but hamper effective progress or worse. in McNamara’s case his decisions were undoubtedly for the worse overall.

    …the cautious thinker may reason—”If in these personal affairs, where all the conditions of the case were known to me, I have so often miscalculated, how much oftener shall I miscalculate in political affairs, where the conditions are too numerous, too widespread, too complex, too obscure to be understood…

    Indeed this faith in governments is in a certain sense organic; and can diminish only by being outgrown. From the time when rulers were thought demi-gods, there has been a gradual decline in men’s estimates of their power. This decline is still in progress, and has still far to go…All superstitions die hard; and we fear that this belief in government-omnipotence will form no exception.

    Herbert Spencer, Over-Legislation (1853)
    This essay first appeared in The Westminster Review for July, 1853 and was reprinted in Spencer’s Essays: Scientific, Political and Speculative (London and New York, 1892, in three volumes).

    http://www.econlib.org/library/LFBooks/Spencer/spnMvS7.html

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  54. @anonymous

    I am not a fan of the contention that Iran embodies all things evil about Islam.
     
    On the other hand, I am a fan of the contention that the white race embodies all things evil about Christianity. :D

    Laughing.

    I am not even a tangential fan of that kind of thinking.

    But I did find the comment humorous (moderately so.).

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  55. Corruption is happening more and more in the US because of the rise of the billionaire class. Thanks to cable TV and the internet it is now much easier for everyone to see how the obscenely rich live. Wealth is relative. You think you are rich living in a million dollar home in an upper middle class neighborhood making $400k a year, until you see someone who has $40M in the bank and lives in a mansion on the lake, which instantly makes you feel poor. Meanwhile the guy with $40M feels poor when he sees a guy with $400M who flies Netjet and lives in a $20M mansion. That guy in turn feels poor when comparing himself to a guy who has $4Billion, owns his own jet and lives in a $120M mansion. That guy in turn feels poor comparing himself to Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos with $95B.

    Wealth is relative. The internet makes it a lot easier for us to compare how we live relative to others, and makes everyone who isn’t Jeff Bezos feels poorer not richer. This is especially true for our public servants who make next to nothing. This is how much some of our public servants make per year:

    An average member of Congress in both House and Senate: $174,000
    House/Senate majority/minority leader: $193,400
    Cabinet members: $199,700
    Speaker of the House: $223,500

    Federal prosecutor (Attorney): $55,000-$132,000
    Assistant federal attorney: $49,000-$128,000
    Federal District judge: $169,300
    Federal appeals court judge: $179,500
    Supreme court judge: $208,100
    Chief Justice of the Supreme Court: $217,400

    A general in the army, air force or marines: $184,000 (after 20 years active duty)

    Mayor of NYC: $225,000
    Mayor of Chicago: $216,000

    All of these people, including the Speaker of the House and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, make less than a kid with a Computer Science degree 10 years out of college, who can easily pull down $280,000 if working for a large tech firm.

    Everyone wants his piece of the prosperity pie. Wealth and power have always gone hand in hand throughout history, until now, sort of. The billionaire class have the wealth but not the power. The public servants have the power but not the wealth. So we set up a system of legal bribery known as campaign financing and lobbying to allow the wealthy to buy power, and the powerful to accumulate wealth, at least indirectly.

    But all that wining and dining only lasts for as long as you are in power. Once out of office you are left with nothing but a small pension if you are lucky. A Clinton just can’t live on a $200k a year pension (for a former POTUS), he needs wealth that is commensurate with his powerful stature. You don’t expect him to fly commercial do you? Hence all the corruption through the Clinton Foundation.

    How to fix this? Without a test for personal integrity for each public servant, really difficult. You can set up all the checks and balances but ultimately without personal honesty, people will find ways to cheat the system. Higher salaries might help but even if you give all congressional members and cabinet members million dollar salaries, they will always feel poor comparing themselves to the billionaire class so glorified in our pop culture. Nor does it help when we elect those who are already rich, >50% of our congressional members have a personal wealth of >$1M, but even the guy worth $10M feels poor when he hobnobs with Jeff Bezos and needs to get himself richer. How many people are genuinely honest and truly look upon public service as a duty anymore? I’m guessing <1% of our public servants have that conviction. The rest either go into public service because they can't get any other job, or they want an easy job, or they want more power as a way to get to wealth. This is why all empires eventually fall, through corruption.

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    Federal prosecutor (Attorney): $55,000-$132,000
    Assistant federal attorney: $49,000-$128,000
     
    Just from observation (not exhaustive research), a lot of US Congressmen are former prosecutors, federal, state or local. From what I know of law school grads and lawyers (based on 40 years experience), prosecutors -- AND especially public defenders -- come from the bottom half of the class.
    , @anarchyst
    There is a "dirty little secret" that both the democrat and republican parties are guilty of...congressmen and senators who are on committees have to PAY for the "privilege" by "fundraising" for their respective parties. The Speaker of the House has to come up with $500,000.00 every six months in order to keep his position. Congressmen and senators who are on committees have to come up with an amount commensurate to their positions in the hierarchy. This is a major reason why lobbyists have such an easy time and access to congress on Capitol Hill.
    The only real solution is to abolish political parties...which will never happen...
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  56. Wally says:
    @jilles dykstra
    What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

    Gee, maybe I’m wrong, but it seems to me that they just keep on coming to such a horrible country.

    BTW:
    Is there a country where money does not “dominate all”?

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  57. Talha says:

    Ain’t just Washington…
    “Quite how long Priti Patel can hold on to her job as a Secretary of State remains to be seen after she has been exposed as a liar over the finer details of her so-called family holiday to Israel over the summer…”
    “It has now emerged, for example, that Patel:
    -Wanted to send development aid money to the Israeli army;*
    -Conducted 12 secret meetings with high level Israeli officials;
    -Discussed British government business with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu without Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) officials being present; and
    -Ignored strict government ministerial guidelines demanded of her office.”

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171107-patel-israel-scandal-grows-as-may-tries-to-weather-the-storm/

    Discuss…

    Peace.

    *Uh…..what??!!

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    What is it with these East Indians who worship at the altar of the Jews? US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is another East Indian who should just be called Israel's ambassador to the UN, she is nothing but an attack dog for Israel, doesn't even try to be remotely impartial or objective when it comes to her beloved Israel. You would think she's sleeping with Netanyahu. But looks like she's not the only one, now the Secretary of State of Britain is also his mistress. The PM of Israel has both the US and Britain firmly in his pockets thanks to a couple of East Indian women, no wonder the Jews keep telling us our diversity is our strength.

    Some of the most vocal anti-Trumpers in the US are now East Indians, from politicians like Pramila Jayapal of WA state, Kshama Sawant of Seattle City Council, to entertainers like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minoj, Kumail Nanjiani, to Silicon Valley execs like Sundra Pichai(CEO of Google), the Indian VC guy who calls for #Calexit the day after the election etc. etc. Every single one of the Indian candidates running for office in Western Washington are nutso progressives.

    When it comes to clannishness, love of power and money, corruption(Raj Rajaratnam - biggest insider trading bust on Wall Street, and his sidekick Rajat Gupta at McKinsey), Indians are the new Jews, no wonder the Jews love them so, busy installing them as puppet CEOs, college deans, while they pledge their allegiance to Israel.

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  58. @JackOH
    Phil, thanks. Every sentence tells here of an America off the rails.

    A onetime local mayor in my area may offer an idea of the type of person we need. Pat U. has balls of steel. The Mob was against him. City hall bureaucrats were against him. The unions were against him. The police were against him. Corrupt cops threatened to frame him. The priest who'd married him and his wife was enlisted as an errand boy to deliver bribe money. Pat once publicly described our area as a "banana republic". He had a remote car starter installed to guard against assassination by car bombing. He was elected for multiple terms, and survived all attempts to crush him.

    What did Pat have going for him? Personal anatomy. A wife who'd been a very young Polish WWII refugee, and who knew a thing or two about government gone bad and people gone bad. A strong, incorruptible law director, and a strong, incorruptible budget and finance guy. Charisma, and, of course, votes. He kept a local Mr. Big, a zillionaire briber of politicians, at a distance and worked warily with him. Pat met the challenges of an economically collapsing area pretty well.

    How many politicians could weather the permanent storm of American corruption as well as Pat? Not a whole lot.

    Inspiring story. Sadly since we let go of Christianity we also let go of our soul, and integrity. There aren’t too many like Pat anymore. The only one I can think of now who is most like him in office is VP Mike Pence, he comes across a man of integrity and honor. But since he’s responsible for assembling Trump’s cabinet I’m now extremely unimpressed with him, he’s assembled a house full of swamp creatures and neocons.

    I think Steve Bannon and Ann Coulter will genuinely do what is good for the country rather than themselves if they are ever elected to office. Trump turns out to be a liar and a megalomaniac who easily bends to the Jewish cabal headed by his son-in-law.

    No one in the Democratic party is honest and honorable except Bernie Sanders, too bad his ideas are so kooky he’s just unelectable, and sadly no one else I can think of in the GOP either. All our politicians are cowardly, stupid/cunning, hungry for power/wealth, and self-serving.

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    I liked Pence too, and am wary of him now also. The answer is to re-evangelize, you know. Western Civilization --Christendom really-- has faced the abyss before, and breached it.
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  59. @Talha
    Ain't just Washington...
    https://media.makeameme.org/created/ill-give-you-rxc3dm.jpg

    "Quite how long Priti Patel can hold on to her job as a Secretary of State remains to be seen after she has been exposed as a liar over the finer details of her so-called family holiday to Israel over the summer..."
    "It has now emerged, for example, that Patel:
    -Wanted to send development aid money to the Israeli army;*
    -Conducted 12 secret meetings with high level Israeli officials;
    -Discussed British government business with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu without Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) officials being present; and
    -Ignored strict government ministerial guidelines demanded of her office."

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171107-patel-israel-scandal-grows-as-may-tries-to-weather-the-storm/

    Discuss...

    Peace.

    *Uh.....what??!!

    What is it with these East Indians who worship at the altar of the Jews? US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is another East Indian who should just be called Israel’s ambassador to the UN, she is nothing but an attack dog for Israel, doesn’t even try to be remotely impartial or objective when it comes to her beloved Israel. You would think she’s sleeping with Netanyahu. But looks like she’s not the only one, now the Secretary of State of Britain is also his mistress. The PM of Israel has both the US and Britain firmly in his pockets thanks to a couple of East Indian women, no wonder the Jews keep telling us our diversity is our strength.

    Some of the most vocal anti-Trumpers in the US are now East Indians, from politicians like Pramila Jayapal of WA state, Kshama Sawant of Seattle City Council, to entertainers like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minoj, Kumail Nanjiani, to Silicon Valley execs like Sundra Pichai(CEO of Google), the Indian VC guy who calls for #Calexit the day after the election etc. etc. Every single one of the Indian candidates running for office in Western Washington are nutso progressives.

    When it comes to clannishness, love of power and money, corruption(Raj Rajaratnam – biggest insider trading bust on Wall Street, and his sidekick Rajat Gupta at McKinsey), Indians are the new Jews, no wonder the Jews love them so, busy installing them as puppet CEOs, college deans, while they pledge their allegiance to Israel.

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    I'm as annoyed as you!
    , @Carroll Price
    Anyone who's ever had any business dealings with Indians (from India) will tell you that they're the most conniving, dishonest people in the world.
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  60. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @jilles dykstra
    What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

    Sickness and suffering are difficult to face, I’m glad you have the spirit to keep interested in international affairs and commenting here, it is enriching for all readers. We are never alone, for we are all in God’s hands, though often we are not aware. I will pray for you, with best wishes.

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  61. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @JackOH
    Phil, thanks. Every sentence tells here of an America off the rails.

    A onetime local mayor in my area may offer an idea of the type of person we need. Pat U. has balls of steel. The Mob was against him. City hall bureaucrats were against him. The unions were against him. The police were against him. Corrupt cops threatened to frame him. The priest who'd married him and his wife was enlisted as an errand boy to deliver bribe money. Pat once publicly described our area as a "banana republic". He had a remote car starter installed to guard against assassination by car bombing. He was elected for multiple terms, and survived all attempts to crush him.

    What did Pat have going for him? Personal anatomy. A wife who'd been a very young Polish WWII refugee, and who knew a thing or two about government gone bad and people gone bad. A strong, incorruptible law director, and a strong, incorruptible budget and finance guy. Charisma, and, of course, votes. He kept a local Mr. Big, a zillionaire briber of politicians, at a distance and worked warily with him. Pat met the challenges of an economically collapsing area pretty well.

    How many politicians could weather the permanent storm of American corruption as well as Pat? Not a whole lot.

    Maybe some few will be enough. The future belongs to creative minorities, that show us a better way to live. Thanks for the story.

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  62. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Supremely Annoyed
    Inspiring story. Sadly since we let go of Christianity we also let go of our soul, and integrity. There aren't too many like Pat anymore. The only one I can think of now who is most like him in office is VP Mike Pence, he comes across a man of integrity and honor. But since he's responsible for assembling Trump's cabinet I'm now extremely unimpressed with him, he's assembled a house full of swamp creatures and neocons.

    I think Steve Bannon and Ann Coulter will genuinely do what is good for the country rather than themselves if they are ever elected to office. Trump turns out to be a liar and a megalomaniac who easily bends to the Jewish cabal headed by his son-in-law.

    No one in the Democratic party is honest and honorable except Bernie Sanders, too bad his ideas are so kooky he's just unelectable, and sadly no one else I can think of in the GOP either. All our politicians are cowardly, stupid/cunning, hungry for power/wealth, and self-serving.

    I liked Pence too, and am wary of him now also. The answer is to re-evangelize, you know. Western Civilization –Christendom really– has faced the abyss before, and breached it.

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  63. Druid says:
    @Supremely Annoyed
    What is it with these East Indians who worship at the altar of the Jews? US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is another East Indian who should just be called Israel's ambassador to the UN, she is nothing but an attack dog for Israel, doesn't even try to be remotely impartial or objective when it comes to her beloved Israel. You would think she's sleeping with Netanyahu. But looks like she's not the only one, now the Secretary of State of Britain is also his mistress. The PM of Israel has both the US and Britain firmly in his pockets thanks to a couple of East Indian women, no wonder the Jews keep telling us our diversity is our strength.

    Some of the most vocal anti-Trumpers in the US are now East Indians, from politicians like Pramila Jayapal of WA state, Kshama Sawant of Seattle City Council, to entertainers like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minoj, Kumail Nanjiani, to Silicon Valley execs like Sundra Pichai(CEO of Google), the Indian VC guy who calls for #Calexit the day after the election etc. etc. Every single one of the Indian candidates running for office in Western Washington are nutso progressives.

    When it comes to clannishness, love of power and money, corruption(Raj Rajaratnam - biggest insider trading bust on Wall Street, and his sidekick Rajat Gupta at McKinsey), Indians are the new Jews, no wonder the Jews love them so, busy installing them as puppet CEOs, college deans, while they pledge their allegiance to Israel.

    I’m as annoyed as you!

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  64. @Old and in the way
    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.

    And in the UK more than 20,000 elderly die each year because they don’t have adequate heat in their goddamned homes. Preventable deaths happen everywhere. One case that got a ton of press in Europe was the poor black kid from the DC area who had a toothache. His mom ignored it until the point that the tooth had abscessed and the abscess went to his brain. He died. Whose fault was that? According to Europeans, it was all our fault. They can kiss my ass.

    What is this odd fixation with the U.S.?

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  65. @Rich
    Who are these hobos living in the street? Here in NYC they are drug addicts or mentally unstable people. Why are they allowed to live in the street? Because leftist judges and politicians have made it illegal to force them into mental hospitals or drug addiction facilities. Leftists believe this is a sign of their benevolence. I don't know of anyone who is actually homeless because of poverty in the US. There's just too many programs, from section 8, to welfare, to public housing available.

    If memory serves, conservative Republicans led efforts to de-fund mental institutions and other public health programs that benefited the general public because “we can no longer afford them”. Sound familiar?

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    Your memory fails you. Deinstitutionalization began under JFK and was continued under LBJ. Both had democrat majorities in Congress. The ACLU was also heavily involved in suing states for locking up the mentally ill. Now, there may have been some liberal Republicans who joined in this effort, but it was not a conservative action. I suppose it's also possible that some libertarians supported the effort, but I'm unable to find any in a quick search.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Reagan. It was during his terms that the mentally ill started filling the streets in vast numbers dressed in rags and eating from garbage bins.
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  66. @Supremely Annoyed
    What is it with these East Indians who worship at the altar of the Jews? US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is another East Indian who should just be called Israel's ambassador to the UN, she is nothing but an attack dog for Israel, doesn't even try to be remotely impartial or objective when it comes to her beloved Israel. You would think she's sleeping with Netanyahu. But looks like she's not the only one, now the Secretary of State of Britain is also his mistress. The PM of Israel has both the US and Britain firmly in his pockets thanks to a couple of East Indian women, no wonder the Jews keep telling us our diversity is our strength.

    Some of the most vocal anti-Trumpers in the US are now East Indians, from politicians like Pramila Jayapal of WA state, Kshama Sawant of Seattle City Council, to entertainers like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minoj, Kumail Nanjiani, to Silicon Valley execs like Sundra Pichai(CEO of Google), the Indian VC guy who calls for #Calexit the day after the election etc. etc. Every single one of the Indian candidates running for office in Western Washington are nutso progressives.

    When it comes to clannishness, love of power and money, corruption(Raj Rajaratnam - biggest insider trading bust on Wall Street, and his sidekick Rajat Gupta at McKinsey), Indians are the new Jews, no wonder the Jews love them so, busy installing them as puppet CEOs, college deans, while they pledge their allegiance to Israel.

    Anyone who’s ever had any business dealings with Indians (from India) will tell you that they’re the most conniving, dishonest people in the world.

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  67. What don’t you folks understand? America is run by a Corporate Fascist Military Industrial-Intelligence Police State. Government by the people and for the people…are you folks smoking something? The president is a figure head who is afraid of the intelligence agencies. The 5 eyes have always worked for the corporations and the money pathways usually controlled by select groups and we know who they are.

    As far as Ron’s post about deaths due to illegals. I suggest he does his own research on the number of illegal drunk drivers who kill people (it’s hard to find). Also, on bad drugs that they sell that kill. Also, many of the numbers are low due to the games being played by local authorities. How about the number of people who get sick and die of diseases these people bring into the country. The CDC and NIH have destroyed the very essence of microbiology standards in this country. The recent outbreak of Hepatitis-C in California is an example. Mexico has some of the highest levels of Hepatitis-C in the universe and I’ve been told it’s actually a lot higher than reported. The TB epidemic in the country is from Middle America and Mexico.

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  68. @Rich
    I can only assume your friends didn't have health insurance in 2001 and must have been fairly wealthy if they didn't qualify for government assistance. Perhaps they were misinformed, or unaware of the myriad of programs available, especially for a sick child. I hope they were able to get the care they needed and their child was okay. And of course there are fixes needed for the medical insurance programs in the US, but I'm unaware of anyone who has been denied care because they couldn't afford it.

    As for the US hunting down Indians, what kind of nonsense are you smoking. There were maybe 1 million Indians in what is today the continental US. There was plenty of land available for both the Europeans and the Indians. In fact, because of a shortage of women, many of the tribes intermarried with American colonists and many signed peace treaties with the Americans and lived in peace. On the other hand there were also hostile Indians, who raped, kidnapped and murdered Whites. The situation isn't Bad Whites against Good Injuns. There was both good and bad on both sides, the Whites just won.

    As for the US hunting down Indians, what kind of nonsense are you smoking.

    They were hunted down. Often it was after they were disarmed and promised protection.

    Check out the Sand Creek Massacre, for one. It pays to know about these things because one of the reasons they were wiped out is that they didn’t make good slaves and therein may be a lesson for uppity white boys…

    Anyway, back to Sand Creek…

    Captain Silas S. Soule and Lieutenant Joseph A. Cramer of the 1st Colorado (U.S.) Volunteer Cavalry put their military careers – and lives – at risk by refusing to fire during the [US military] attack against a peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho village at Sand Creek, November 29, 1864. With their companies backing them up, they purposely took little or no part in the massacre [of many women and children]…

    Several weeks after Soule testified before the commission, he was shot in the streets of Denver. His murderers, although known, were never brought to justice.

    https://www.nps.gov/sand/learn/historyculture/upload/Combined-Letters-with-Sign.pdf

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  69. Rich says:
    @Carroll Price
    If memory serves, conservative Republicans led efforts to de-fund mental institutions and other public health programs that benefited the general public because "we can no longer afford them". Sound familiar?

    Your memory fails you. Deinstitutionalization began under JFK and was continued under LBJ. Both had democrat majorities in Congress. The ACLU was also heavily involved in suing states for locking up the mentally ill. Now, there may have been some liberal Republicans who joined in this effort, but it was not a conservative action. I suppose it’s also possible that some libertarians supported the effort, but I’m unable to find any in a quick search.

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    Was Reagan a liberal republican?

    https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/
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  70. anon says: • Disclaimer

    The speech circuit seems to be the current corrupt practice of choice. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for some ho-hum speeches no one cares about. The Clintons have been the king and queen of this, one a past president and the other the entitled to-be president. Could anything be more obvious or more blatant? Yet they cared not a bit about it’s in your face nature. After being in government for all these years they could afford to blow a couple million on their daughter’s extravagant wedding. Yet millions of voters thought Hillary was worth voting for. The rot comes from the very top. The electorate has become jaded; no matter in what direction they turn they’re still in harness to the same powers that be.

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    The electorate has become jaded; no matter in what direction they turn they’re still in harness to the same powers that be.
     
    True.

    And what amazes me is that people have known this for a long time, yet they seem to act as if it would be different "this time" when there is no evidence it should be so.
    Blind and deaf, yet she knew the score.


    Our democracy is but a name. We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats. We choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.…
    Helen Keller,
    Letter published in the Manchester Advertiser (3 March 1911), quoted in A People's History of the United States (1980) page 345.
     


    First the poor taxpayers, robbed by the politicians of one great party and then by those of the other, turn to a group of free-lance rogues in the middle ground—non-partisan candidates, Liberals, reformers, or what not: the name is unimportant.
    Then, flayed and pillaged by these gentry as they never were by the old-time professionals, they go back in despair to the latter, and are flayed and pillaged again.

    H.L.Mencken, Editorial, In The American Mercury, April 1924, pp. 408-412
     


    " Mister, I did not vote. Many of my people, they did not vote, either. Why? We all knew it could result but one way, and we should have lost one half day's pay."

    -Filipino laborer, as quoted by Jim Marshall, Freedom's Sting, Brown brothers' burden--Philippine Indepedendence, Collier's Weekly, May 30, 1936, pp. 7-8 http://www.unz.org/Pub/Colliers-1936may30-00007

     

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  71. It’s amazing, still, after decades, how thoroughly rotten the system is. It’s difficult to think of one redeeming feature at this point in time. These completely depraved people go back and forth between government jobs (Pentagon, Congress, Cabinet posts) and private sector gigs that pay off in the millions just because of the laws they got passed or contracts they secured while they were working for the government. As an example, an oil executive takes a job with the department of energy. While there, he manages to pull strings to get solar power outlawed. Then he jumps back to the oil company and rakes in the cash from the upturn in fossil fuels. Everyone in DC is rotten to the core. I wonder if this is how things were in the Kremlin in the 80′s.

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    Mid 20th cent., GM was instrumental in Los Angeles abandoning their commuter rail system in favor of highways so they could sell more cars. Lovely traffic now.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    In 1997 Jack Abramoff was director of a group called "Toward Tradition," and spoke at an event that discussed "Forming an alliance between Jewish Americans and Conservatives"
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?91686-1/us-jews-political-conservatism

    In 2003 Abramoff, Senior Director of Greenberg Traurig Government Relations, keynoted a speech on Campaign Organizing at which House majority leader Rep. DeLay and others praised President Bush. They talked about how to be a politician, and focused on how to organize supporters on college campuses.

    In 2006 Mr. Abramoff was convicted of fraud, tax evasion, and conspiracy to bribe public officials.

    In 2011 Abramoff appeared on C Span to talk about government corruption.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?303041-1/jack-abramoff-political-corruption
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  72. RobinG says:
    @Sane Left Libertarian
    It's amazing, still, after decades, how thoroughly rotten the system is. It's difficult to think of one redeeming feature at this point in time. These completely depraved people go back and forth between government jobs (Pentagon, Congress, Cabinet posts) and private sector gigs that pay off in the millions just because of the laws they got passed or contracts they secured while they were working for the government. As an example, an oil executive takes a job with the department of energy. While there, he manages to pull strings to get solar power outlawed. Then he jumps back to the oil company and rakes in the cash from the upturn in fossil fuels. Everyone in DC is rotten to the core. I wonder if this is how things were in the Kremlin in the 80's.

    Mid 20th cent., GM was instrumental in Los Angeles abandoning their commuter rail system in favor of highways so they could sell more cars. Lovely traffic now.

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  73. jim jones says:

    America is one of the least corrupt countries in the World:

    https://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-corrupt-countries-in-the-world/info-lists

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    America is one of the least corrupt countries in the World:
     
    I suppose at one time people bragged that they had the least stinky outhouse in the 'hood.

    You're gonna hafta produce more evidence and raise the bar if you want to make a valid point.
    , @Carroll Price
    Wonder who compiled that list?
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  74. @Sane Left Libertarian
    It's amazing, still, after decades, how thoroughly rotten the system is. It's difficult to think of one redeeming feature at this point in time. These completely depraved people go back and forth between government jobs (Pentagon, Congress, Cabinet posts) and private sector gigs that pay off in the millions just because of the laws they got passed or contracts they secured while they were working for the government. As an example, an oil executive takes a job with the department of energy. While there, he manages to pull strings to get solar power outlawed. Then he jumps back to the oil company and rakes in the cash from the upturn in fossil fuels. Everyone in DC is rotten to the core. I wonder if this is how things were in the Kremlin in the 80's.

    In 1997 Jack Abramoff was director of a group called “Toward Tradition,” and spoke at an event that discussed “Forming an alliance between Jewish Americans and Conservatives”

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?91686-1/us-jews-political-conservatism

    In 2003 Abramoff, Senior Director of Greenberg Traurig Government Relations, keynoted a speech on Campaign Organizing at which House majority leader Rep. DeLay and others praised President Bush. They talked about how to be a politician, and focused on how to organize supporters on college campuses.

    In 2006 Mr. Abramoff was convicted of fraud, tax evasion, and conspiracy to bribe public officials.

    In 2011 Abramoff appeared on C Span to talk about government corruption.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?303041-1/jack-abramoff-political-corruption

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  75. @anon
    The speech circuit seems to be the current corrupt practice of choice. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for some ho-hum speeches no one cares about. The Clintons have been the king and queen of this, one a past president and the other the entitled to-be president. Could anything be more obvious or more blatant? Yet they cared not a bit about it's in your face nature. After being in government for all these years they could afford to blow a couple million on their daughter's extravagant wedding. Yet millions of voters thought Hillary was worth voting for. The rot comes from the very top. The electorate has become jaded; no matter in what direction they turn they're still in harness to the same powers that be.

    The electorate has become jaded; no matter in what direction they turn they’re still in harness to the same powers that be.

    True.

    And what amazes me is that people have known this for a long time, yet they seem to act as if it would be different “this time” when there is no evidence it should be so.
    Blind and deaf, yet she knew the score.

    Our democracy is but a name. We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats. We choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.…
    Helen Keller,
    Letter published in the Manchester Advertiser (3 March 1911), quoted in A People’s History of the United States (1980) page 345.

    First the poor taxpayers, robbed by the politicians of one great party and then by those of the other, turn to a group of free-lance rogues in the middle ground—non-partisan candidates, Liberals, reformers, or what not: the name is unimportant.
    Then, flayed and pillaged by these gentry as they never were by the old-time professionals, they go back in despair to the latter, and are flayed and pillaged again.

    H.L.Mencken, Editorial, In The American Mercury, April 1924, pp. 408-412

    ” Mister, I did not vote. Many of my people, they did not vote, either. Why? We all knew it could result but one way, and we should have lost one half day’s pay.”

    -Filipino laborer, as quoted by Jim Marshall, Freedom’s Sting, Brown brothers’ burden–Philippine Indepedendence, Collier’s Weekly, May 30, 1936, pp. 7-8 http://www.unz.org/Pub/Colliers-1936may30-00007

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  76. @jim jones
    America is one of the least corrupt countries in the World:

    https://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-corrupt-countries-in-the-world/info-lists

    America is one of the least corrupt countries in the World:

    I suppose at one time people bragged that they had the least stinky outhouse in the ‘hood.

    You’re gonna hafta produce more evidence and raise the bar if you want to make a valid point.

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  77. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Supremely Annoyed
    Corruption is happening more and more in the US because of the rise of the billionaire class. Thanks to cable TV and the internet it is now much easier for everyone to see how the obscenely rich live. Wealth is relative. You think you are rich living in a million dollar home in an upper middle class neighborhood making $400k a year, until you see someone who has $40M in the bank and lives in a mansion on the lake, which instantly makes you feel poor. Meanwhile the guy with $40M feels poor when he sees a guy with $400M who flies Netjet and lives in a $20M mansion. That guy in turn feels poor when comparing himself to a guy who has $4Billion, owns his own jet and lives in a $120M mansion. That guy in turn feels poor comparing himself to Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos with $95B.

    Wealth is relative. The internet makes it a lot easier for us to compare how we live relative to others, and makes everyone who isn't Jeff Bezos feels poorer not richer. This is especially true for our public servants who make next to nothing. This is how much some of our public servants make per year:

    An average member of Congress in both House and Senate: $174,000
    House/Senate majority/minority leader: $193,400
    Cabinet members: $199,700
    Speaker of the House: $223,500

    Federal prosecutor (Attorney): $55,000-$132,000
    Assistant federal attorney: $49,000-$128,000
    Federal District judge: $169,300
    Federal appeals court judge: $179,500
    Supreme court judge: $208,100
    Chief Justice of the Supreme Court: $217,400

    A general in the army, air force or marines: $184,000 (after 20 years active duty)

    Mayor of NYC: $225,000
    Mayor of Chicago: $216,000

    All of these people, including the Speaker of the House and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, make less than a kid with a Computer Science degree 10 years out of college, who can easily pull down $280,000 if working for a large tech firm.

    Everyone wants his piece of the prosperity pie. Wealth and power have always gone hand in hand throughout history, until now, sort of. The billionaire class have the wealth but not the power. The public servants have the power but not the wealth. So we set up a system of legal bribery known as campaign financing and lobbying to allow the wealthy to buy power, and the powerful to accumulate wealth, at least indirectly.

    But all that wining and dining only lasts for as long as you are in power. Once out of office you are left with nothing but a small pension if you are lucky. A Clinton just can't live on a $200k a year pension (for a former POTUS), he needs wealth that is commensurate with his powerful stature. You don't expect him to fly commercial do you? Hence all the corruption through the Clinton Foundation.

    How to fix this? Without a test for personal integrity for each public servant, really difficult. You can set up all the checks and balances but ultimately without personal honesty, people will find ways to cheat the system. Higher salaries might help but even if you give all congressional members and cabinet members million dollar salaries, they will always feel poor comparing themselves to the billionaire class so glorified in our pop culture. Nor does it help when we elect those who are already rich, >50% of our congressional members have a personal wealth of >$1M, but even the guy worth $10M feels poor when he hobnobs with Jeff Bezos and needs to get himself richer. How many people are genuinely honest and truly look upon public service as a duty anymore? I'm guessing <1% of our public servants have that conviction. The rest either go into public service because they can't get any other job, or they want an easy job, or they want more power as a way to get to wealth. This is why all empires eventually fall, through corruption.

    Federal prosecutor (Attorney): $55,000-$132,000
    Assistant federal attorney: $49,000-$128,000

    Just from observation (not exhaustive research), a lot of US Congressmen are former prosecutors, federal, state or local. From what I know of law school grads and lawyers (based on 40 years experience), prosecutors — AND especially public defenders — come from the bottom half of the class.

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  78. bjondo says:
    @Rich
    I'm not trolling you, Jilles, you just keep showing up on this site bashing America with factually wrong statements. I'm aware that the Netherlands is a pleasant nation, both my wife and I have some Dutch ancestry, but the Netherlands, like the US, isn't perfect. The fact is that every country, from Venezuela to Monaco, is a great country when one is rich, I'd bet even Holland is nice if you've got a few bucks.

    To your point about your health issues. Here in the US there are two primary medical insurance programs run by the government, Medicare and Medicaid. If you're over 65 you are automatically covered by Medicare, there are some low costs associated with it, but if you're too poor to pay them, you don't have to. Medicaid is a government run health insurance program for the poor and uninsured in the US. In most cases all medical conditions are covered for free in this program. No hospital emergency room in the US is allowed to refuse treatment, either. Could the system be better? Of course, but people aren't really dying in the streets, desperate for medical attention, as the leftists you read are telling you.

    medicare is bull
    part a is expensive
    part b is expensive and coverage is limited
    if one replaces with private, can be expensive
    medicaid? think if used, govt will own whatever one owns.
    at death, govt takes before heirs.

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  79. bjondo says:

    wooley belongs in a deep well
    sign on lid reading, “traitors inside. dump your garbage and waste. spitting welcome.”

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  80. Touring Asia today and doing powerful behind-screen lobbying for Goldman Sachs Group, President Trump pontificated that North Korea is ruled as a “cult.”

    How about ZUSA’s standard cult of greed, injustice, robbery, mass Corporate Media brainwashing, Fake Democracy, and immoral/unnecessary war?

    Woolsey and Flynn are Amerika’s sad ass Deep State byproducts.

    Citizens of all nations inevitably get what they buy into.

    Thank you Mr. GIRALDI!

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  81. Vert well written essay… :-)

    “Americans apparently now expect less and less from their elected officials and have even ceased to demand minimal ethical standards.”

    However, who is there left in government (or on the campaign trails) that Americans can expect any ethics from?

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  82. @Greg Bacon
    The corruption in DC must be setting a record unmatched in history. It doesn't help that our craven, corrupt Congress sets its own rules regarding pay and benefits, but has also passed laws saying its 'OK' for those elite to engage in insider trading.
    Each Rep and Senator knows that kissing up to the Fortune 500 guarantees them a job after they leave Congress, with a fat paycheck, bennies and sexy secretaries more than happy to take DICKtation, all provided by the company's they took care of while in Congress.

    Compounding the situation is the equally rotten DOJ, who has no problem going after blue-collar crime, but won't touch the real problem, those TBTF Wall Street banks acting like out-of-control casinos who then dump their losses on the backs on the American taxpayer. The latest USAG head Sessions is more confirmation that the Senate is a 'good ol' boys' and girls club that will not go after current and former members, as Sessions will NOT go after the thieving, lying, traitorous Hillary for her many crimes.

    Its impossible to Drain the Swamp when it has so many creatures that snack on Americans and protect each other.

    Short of a revolution, this can only end badly for Americans.

    The swamp of Washington D.C. cannot possibly be drained because it is so bloody well backup at the source…

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    At least, in the UK they still have some reaction while being devoured by the ziocon parasitoid: http://www.moonofalabama.org/
    "Priti Patel was International Development Secretary, responsible for British aid to various countries and organizations. In August Patel went on a "family holiday" to Israel. Instead of enjoying the beach she met dozens of Israeli officials from Prime Minister Netanyahoo down to the heads of Zionist aid organizations. She was shepherded by one Lord Polak, a long time Israel lobbyist in British politics. Polak accompanied her to every meeting. None of these were disclosed to the British Embassy, the Foreign Office or Downing Street. Cabinet rules demand that all such meetings are coordinated and briefed through these official channels.
    Stuart Polak is a major character in Zionist lobbying in Britain: Ennobled by David Cameron two years ago, Lord Polak is a veteran of Westminster’s corridors of power. He has taken literally hundreds of Tory MPs to Israel over the years, educating them about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and securing their support in parliamentary votes and the public arena. Under his guidance, CFI became the biggest lobbying group in Westminster, holding lunches for 700 guests, making countless Downing Street visits, and developing contacts throughout Israel and the Middle East.
    Polak fled when the media tried to question him about his Israel visit arrangements for Patel. One of Patel's meetings was at an army hospital in the Israel occupied Syrian Golan heights where the Israeli military patches up al-Qaeda Jihadis which were wounded while fighting the Syrian government. Only last week the Israeli army in the occupied Golan supported a murderous attack of al-Qaeda Jihadis on the Syrian Druze village of Hader in the Quneitra area. Druze in Israel who protested against the attack were arrested.
    Back in Britain Priti Patel asked her department to move British aid money from Palestinian causes to the Israeli military operation in the occupied Golan. (Funny how the Guardian in its wrap-up fails to mention that point ...) Additionally to her busy holiday, Priti Patel had two other meetings with Israeli officials which she similarly did not disclose.
    When it became clear yesterday that Priti Patel's behavior would cost her her job, the British Zionist lobby launched a rescue attempt. Based on anonymous sources the Jewish Chronicle claimed that Prime Minister May had been informed about two of the meetings and had ordered Patel to not disclose them: Downing Street immediately denied those claims and no other sources have backed them up. The Jewish Chronicle has been at the forefront of the slander campaign that tried to smear the British labor leader Corbyn as anti-semite."
    Beautiful. The ridiculous Lord Polak "ennobled “by the ignoble Cameron to please the UK Friends of Israel, and the amazing (idiotic) Patel asking to re-channel the allotted money from Palestine to arm the apartheid Israel.
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  83. windwaves says:
    @Hotzenplotz
    „I know of no other country where love of money has such a grip on men’s hearts or where stronger scorn is expressed for the theory of permanent equality of property.“
    Tocqueville

    Dishonesty and greed - the American way from the beginning.

    dude, are you kidding ? have you gotten a clue of the level of corruption in a country like Italy ? They are centuries ahead. America is just beginning. And in the US it is a mere result of who has gained total control of the country in the recent decades. Obvious.

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  84. edNels says:
    @Ron Unz

    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care...As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.
     
    Actually, I think the former figure is a *gigantic* over-estimate...

    Offhand, I'd say there are something like 100 million middle-class white Americans and maybe 11 million or so illegal immigrants. And there were also over 17,000 total homicides during 2016.

    Now if we're talking about ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals, I doubt the figure is even remotely close to 1-in-a-million per year, which would be a total of 100. In fact, I'm quite skeptical about whether the total is above 10/year, which would be one-in-10-million. That's the reason that neither VDare nor any of the other anti-immigrant webzines can almost ever find any real-life cases to talk about.

    In my opinion, the notion that anything more than an infinitesimal number of American whites are murdered by illegals is just a total Internet hoax that's been endlessly propagated by silly activists.

    If anyone on this thread thinks I'm wrong then I challenge them to locate at least 10 cases of ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals in 2016 (I'm not talking about Aryan Brotherhood gang members shivved in prison brawls or wives killing husbands/husbands killing wives). If you can't find ten cases in all of America during an entire year, then I'm probably right.

    How does this question get into the same conversation about inadequate medical services in USA? Inadequate coverage and unaffordability then.

    But conflate away the real 500lb canary in the room” to the no. of poor… (not poor) everyday whites… We, (middle income level), not really class necessarily, but that’s another issue.

    But I bet there’s more than a 100, that’s a spit in a bucket. There was one prominent killing recently on a dock in SF. How about killings nobody knows about, and some of those must be of white shits who prowl the streets drunk, or abuse illegals to an extreme degree that gets them a severe reaction etc.

    Remember “Ilegal immigrants” are as a rule aware of their need to stay out of trouble, which may prevent crime to a point, but also make them more clever about avoiding being caught.

    If you can’t find ten cases in all of America during an entire year, then I’m probably right.

    I can’t find a good no. but I don’t think it is logical that you are thereby certified correct.

    But more importantly is that the medical coverage issue, is a real problem with development of burgeoning class of under employed and under covered Americans in the present scenario. (I include any class and types who need help.)

    Not made better by immigration, unless that would be medical personnel.

    What a great niche is the medical insurance industry though, as it is a sure thing! Everybody is up for some relief when faced with horrendous pain and destruction of self and loved ones, it is the surest form of Extractive device for a defective economy.

    Immigration is the least of the problems, but is a tool to be used by the SOB’s that run the show, for good or bad.

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  85. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Ron Unz

    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care...As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.
     
    Actually, I think the former figure is a *gigantic* over-estimate...

    Offhand, I'd say there are something like 100 million middle-class white Americans and maybe 11 million or so illegal immigrants. And there were also over 17,000 total homicides during 2016.

    Now if we're talking about ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals, I doubt the figure is even remotely close to 1-in-a-million per year, which would be a total of 100. In fact, I'm quite skeptical about whether the total is above 10/year, which would be one-in-10-million. That's the reason that neither VDare nor any of the other anti-immigrant webzines can almost ever find any real-life cases to talk about.

    In my opinion, the notion that anything more than an infinitesimal number of American whites are murdered by illegals is just a total Internet hoax that's been endlessly propagated by silly activists.

    If anyone on this thread thinks I'm wrong then I challenge them to locate at least 10 cases of ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals in 2016 (I'm not talking about Aryan Brotherhood gang members shivved in prison brawls or wives killing husbands/husbands killing wives). If you can't find ten cases in all of America during an entire year, then I'm probably right.

    VDare sees an America that is purely European peaceful at peace with itself but doing those same very wonderful things that America has been doing for last 100 years abroad . They want it pure simple an ALL AMERICAN Affairs Of European descent.

    The scholars on those sites spew venom , hatred,divisiveness and offer Utopian European dream purely for self promotion .

    They conveniently have forgot that Europe was most murderous place on the earth until WW2 from the time of 800 AD . Here on this site some have taken a liking hiding the history of their ancestors who came from East Europe , Georgia,Russia and places like Eukarine and Armenia and Greece . They want to regain some sense of belonging to something that have eluded their ancestors for 1000 years They hope to achieve that sense by redirecting American system of corruption to White only people . They want to hijack British-American worldview . They want same empire without any string attached.

    They are like Bannon who wants no Kissinger but Smith and Roosevelt or Hanningan or Vicortskov to enjoy the fruits of American experience imported from abroad . Given a chance ,they will start slavery .

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  86. RobinG says:

    LEAKED CABLE CONFIRMS ISRAELI-SAUDI AIM TO IGNITE WAR

    “the classified embassy cable, written in Hebrew, constitutes the first formal evidence proving that the Saudis and Israelis are deliberately coordinating to escalate the situation in the Middle East.”

    – On Sunday, just after Lebanese PM Hariri’s shocking resignation, Israel sent a cable to all of its embassies with the request that its diplomats do everything possible to ramp up diplomatic pressure against Hezbollah and Iran.
    – The cable urged support for Saudi Arabia’s war against Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen.
    – The cable stressed that Iran was engaged in “regional subversion”.
    – Israeli diplomats were urged to appeal to the “highest officials” within their host countries to attempt to expel Hezbollah from Lebanese government and politics.

    http://theduran.com/leaked-cable-confirms-israel-and-saudi-arabia-coordination-to-start-a-middle-east-war/

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    General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies to destroy Hezbollah
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFwGvk3k6WM
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  87. RobinG says:
    @RobinG
    LEAKED CABLE CONFIRMS ISRAELI-SAUDI AIM TO IGNITE WAR

    “the classified embassy cable, written in Hebrew, constitutes the first formal evidence proving that the Saudis and Israelis are deliberately coordinating to escalate the situation in the Middle East.”

    – On Sunday, just after Lebanese PM Hariri’s shocking resignation, Israel sent a cable to all of its embassies with the request that its diplomats do everything possible to ramp up diplomatic pressure against Hezbollah and Iran.
    – The cable urged support for Saudi Arabia’s war against Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen.
    – The cable stressed that Iran was engaged in “regional subversion”.
    – Israeli diplomats were urged to appeal to the “highest officials” within their host countries to attempt to expel Hezbollah from Lebanese government and politics.
     
    http://theduran.com/leaked-cable-confirms-israel-and-saudi-arabia-coordination-to-start-a-middle-east-war/

    General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies to destroy Hezbollah

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  88. unseated says:
    @Rich
    Your memory fails you. Deinstitutionalization began under JFK and was continued under LBJ. Both had democrat majorities in Congress. The ACLU was also heavily involved in suing states for locking up the mentally ill. Now, there may have been some liberal Republicans who joined in this effort, but it was not a conservative action. I suppose it's also possible that some libertarians supported the effort, but I'm unable to find any in a quick search.
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    Well let's see, was Reagan a liberal?
    1. He signed California's abortion law.
    2. Signed the highest tax increase in California history as governor.
    3 Signed the Mulford Act restricting the right of the public to carry guns.
    4. Signed California's "No-Fault" divorce law.
    5. Tripled the Federal Deficit.
    6. Gave Amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens.
    7. Appointed affirmative action Sandra O'Connor to the Supreme Court.
    8. Signed Martin King Jr Day into law.
    9. Raised taxes in 7 of his 8 years as president.
    10. Increased the number of Federal employees.

    Yeah, guess he was a liberal republican.
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  89. Mike K says:

    Couple things, Philliam:

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/03/gas-from-israel-and-the-flynn-wiretapping-behind-the-deep-state-infighting-over-the-trump-election.html

    And

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i.html

    EVERY.
    SINGLE.
    TIME.

    Why have the patriotic spooks allowed Woolsey and Perle and Kagan etc etc to remain ‘influential’?

    Jeezus, is anyone in the CIA an America Firster?

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  90. @Carroll Price
    If memory serves, conservative Republicans led efforts to de-fund mental institutions and other public health programs that benefited the general public because "we can no longer afford them". Sound familiar?

    Reagan. It was during his terms that the mentally ill started filling the streets in vast numbers dressed in rags and eating from garbage bins.

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  91. anarchyst says:
    @Supremely Annoyed
    Corruption is happening more and more in the US because of the rise of the billionaire class. Thanks to cable TV and the internet it is now much easier for everyone to see how the obscenely rich live. Wealth is relative. You think you are rich living in a million dollar home in an upper middle class neighborhood making $400k a year, until you see someone who has $40M in the bank and lives in a mansion on the lake, which instantly makes you feel poor. Meanwhile the guy with $40M feels poor when he sees a guy with $400M who flies Netjet and lives in a $20M mansion. That guy in turn feels poor when comparing himself to a guy who has $4Billion, owns his own jet and lives in a $120M mansion. That guy in turn feels poor comparing himself to Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos with $95B.

    Wealth is relative. The internet makes it a lot easier for us to compare how we live relative to others, and makes everyone who isn't Jeff Bezos feels poorer not richer. This is especially true for our public servants who make next to nothing. This is how much some of our public servants make per year:

    An average member of Congress in both House and Senate: $174,000
    House/Senate majority/minority leader: $193,400
    Cabinet members: $199,700
    Speaker of the House: $223,500

    Federal prosecutor (Attorney): $55,000-$132,000
    Assistant federal attorney: $49,000-$128,000
    Federal District judge: $169,300
    Federal appeals court judge: $179,500
    Supreme court judge: $208,100
    Chief Justice of the Supreme Court: $217,400

    A general in the army, air force or marines: $184,000 (after 20 years active duty)

    Mayor of NYC: $225,000
    Mayor of Chicago: $216,000

    All of these people, including the Speaker of the House and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, make less than a kid with a Computer Science degree 10 years out of college, who can easily pull down $280,000 if working for a large tech firm.

    Everyone wants his piece of the prosperity pie. Wealth and power have always gone hand in hand throughout history, until now, sort of. The billionaire class have the wealth but not the power. The public servants have the power but not the wealth. So we set up a system of legal bribery known as campaign financing and lobbying to allow the wealthy to buy power, and the powerful to accumulate wealth, at least indirectly.

    But all that wining and dining only lasts for as long as you are in power. Once out of office you are left with nothing but a small pension if you are lucky. A Clinton just can't live on a $200k a year pension (for a former POTUS), he needs wealth that is commensurate with his powerful stature. You don't expect him to fly commercial do you? Hence all the corruption through the Clinton Foundation.

    How to fix this? Without a test for personal integrity for each public servant, really difficult. You can set up all the checks and balances but ultimately without personal honesty, people will find ways to cheat the system. Higher salaries might help but even if you give all congressional members and cabinet members million dollar salaries, they will always feel poor comparing themselves to the billionaire class so glorified in our pop culture. Nor does it help when we elect those who are already rich, >50% of our congressional members have a personal wealth of >$1M, but even the guy worth $10M feels poor when he hobnobs with Jeff Bezos and needs to get himself richer. How many people are genuinely honest and truly look upon public service as a duty anymore? I'm guessing <1% of our public servants have that conviction. The rest either go into public service because they can't get any other job, or they want an easy job, or they want more power as a way to get to wealth. This is why all empires eventually fall, through corruption.

    There is a “dirty little secret” that both the democrat and republican parties are guilty of…congressmen and senators who are on committees have to PAY for the “privilege” by “fundraising” for their respective parties. The Speaker of the House has to come up with $500,000.00 every six months in order to keep his position. Congressmen and senators who are on committees have to come up with an amount commensurate to their positions in the hierarchy. This is a major reason why lobbyists have such an easy time and access to congress on Capitol Hill.
    The only real solution is to abolish political parties…which will never happen…

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    Anarchyst,

    Sorry to intrude & break things, but ZUSA has one (1) political party and it's uniting ideology can be seen by looking at the picture which accompanies this important article.

    Right now, President Trump is on business in the Far East and retooling President Obama's flawed (?) Trans-Pacific Partnership (T.P.P.) to fit the delusion of "Making America Great Again."

    (ZIGH)

    Especially regarding conduct of U.S. foreign policy, the mighty totalitarian act of "abolishing political parties," began directly after the killing of President JFK.

    (ZIGH)

    Speaking on TV with Oprah Winfrey who is presently advertised as a Democrat POTUS candidate, ex-President Jimmy Carter emphasized that the U.S. is not a democracy. Oprah shrugged and The Jewish Lobby gave a collective donkey nod to the peanut farmer's "dirty little secret."

    Thank you, Anarchyst.
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  92. @anarchyst
    There is a "dirty little secret" that both the democrat and republican parties are guilty of...congressmen and senators who are on committees have to PAY for the "privilege" by "fundraising" for their respective parties. The Speaker of the House has to come up with $500,000.00 every six months in order to keep his position. Congressmen and senators who are on committees have to come up with an amount commensurate to their positions in the hierarchy. This is a major reason why lobbyists have such an easy time and access to congress on Capitol Hill.
    The only real solution is to abolish political parties...which will never happen...

    Anarchyst,

    Sorry to intrude & break things, but ZUSA has one (1) political party and it’s uniting ideology can be seen by looking at the picture which accompanies this important article.

    Right now, President Trump is on business in the Far East and retooling President Obama’s flawed (?) Trans-Pacific Partnership (T.P.P.) to fit the delusion of “Making America Great Again.”

    (ZIGH)

    Especially regarding conduct of U.S. foreign policy, the mighty totalitarian act of “abolishing political parties,” began directly after the killing of President JFK.

    (ZIGH)

    Speaking on TV with Oprah Winfrey who is presently advertised as a Democrat POTUS candidate, ex-President Jimmy Carter emphasized that the U.S. is not a democracy. Oprah shrugged and The Jewish Lobby gave a collective donkey nod to the peanut farmer’s “dirty little secret.”

    Thank you, Anarchyst.

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  93. There is a bright flesh & blood upside to “Washington’s Wonderful World of Corruption.”

    It is: The noble work of Phil Giraldi and others stationed (by volition) on the U.R. front.

    Also, below is the light of Paul Craig Roberts official web site, which featured the heroic resistance of Norman Finkelstein.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/29/persecution-norman-finkelstein/

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  94. There is a bright flesh & blood upside to “Washington’s Wonderful World of Corruption.”

    It is: Emergence of the noble work of Phil Giraldi and others stationed (by volition) on the U.R. front.

    Also, below is the light of Paul Craig Roberts official web site, which featured the heroic resistance of Norman Finkelstein.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/29/persecution-norman-finkelstein/

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    How Norman Finkelstein got himself involved into this case? They get you on small stuff. They are patient and wait until you make a wrong move.
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  95. anarchyst says:
    @jilles dykstra
    In the Netherland medical care is the same for everyone.
    When I visited USA friends in 2001, if I remember correctly, friends of the friends asked me if their son could be treated in the Netherlands, for treatment in the USA they would have to sell their house, the other choice was te let the child die.
    As I wrote, I am seriously ill, kept alive, for a limited time, I know that, couple of months, a few years, nobody knows, by very expensive medication.
    My nephew in the USA said, what I knew, 'had you lived here, you would be bankrupt'.

    My criticism on the USA, as I stated before, is not the USA people, they no longer hunt down Indians, as they did at the end of the 19th century.
    They are the victims of USA money just like the people in Iraq or Lybia or whatever.
    They are not killed, like the people in far away countries, though.

    In 1919 the USA people were aware of how they had been misled, that their sons had died in Europe for imperialism.
    The USA never ratified Versailles, it became pacifist and isolationist.
    Alas, as Sol Bloom writes in his autobiography 'the great accomplishment of Roosevelt was that he gradually prepared the USA people for war'.
    Sol Bloom, ‘The Autobiography of Sol Bloom’, New York 1948.

    Eisenhower, in his farewell speech, warned for the USA industrial complex.
    Barbara Hinckley, Sheldon Goldman, ‘American Politics and Government, Structure, Processes, Institutions and Policies’, Glenview Ill., 1990
    gives some interesting examples how the war industry in the USA succeeds in making money.
    And of course, to justify the huge USA military budgetn wars must be fought.

    It is the same with NATO, that has the biggest building in Europe, it cost one and a half billion euro, several thousand people earn their living there, with what, I do not have a clue.
    But also of course NATO cannot exist without wars, or the threat of war, and so they try to provoke war with Russia, the country that keeps us warm in winter with gas.
    In order to become independent of Russian gas new houses here are going to cost E 40.000 more, on insulation, to save the climate, of course.

    The EU is an accomplice in the game, with the military paragraph inn the association treaty with Ukraine, that we Dutch do not want, we voted by referendum against it.
    I suppose we also are going to vote by referendum against a law that enables secret services to spy on what and who they want, it will be the last referendum for a long time, the present errand boys and girls of Brussels here are going to abolish the referendum law.

    The Netherlands was a democracy, alas, as in the USA, elections are just a charade since 2005, when we rejected the so called EU constitution.
    In two other countries referenda were held, France and Ireland, as with us two third rejected this so called constitution.
    It was accepted without the flag and the European anthem.

    Before you criticize the American health care system, look to your own “socialized medicine” system. Look at the British “National Health Service” who recently consigned a baby to death and would not allow the parents to bring the child to the USA for treatment.
    Yes, the American system needs improvement, BUT, anyone who walks into an emergency room WILL BE TREATED. There are programs specifically for children, when their parents cannot afford to pay for treatment.

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    American health care system is ‘top heavy’ It will successfully operate on heart lung kidney same time and do operation on brain which defies imagination . It will do surgery on 400 pound heavy body . But it can’t tske care of chronic blood pressure , diabetes, asthma, Hrart failure or SLE or Deprrssion or Schizophrenia.
    Multiples obstacles are in place put by the health insurances who still technically earn their money from state or federal gov . Pharmaceutical earn their profit from tax payer through obscure layers of laws and beaurocracy .

    American spends enormous money on health care and the return is poor .Other countries get more bang for their buck.

    Chronic congenital illness like Autusm
    Mental Retardation , intractable Seizure disorders don’t get the medical and rehabilitative supports they should .

    American are more unhealthy , obese, stressed and One pay check away from
    poverty once illness strikes with the force of chronicity or cancer strikes .

    You don’t see this deplorable pattern in western countries

    Emergency visits in US are last refuge for the large chunk of people sho can’t afford to go to out -pt and can’t survive without periodic emergency interventions for illness that should have never gone to the critical level in the first place .
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  96. Rich says:
    @unseated
    Was Reagan a liberal republican?

    https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/

    Well let’s see, was Reagan a liberal?
    1. He signed California’s abortion law.
    2. Signed the highest tax increase in California history as governor.
    3 Signed the Mulford Act restricting the right of the public to carry guns.
    4. Signed California’s “No-Fault” divorce law.
    5. Tripled the Federal Deficit.
    6. Gave Amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens.
    7. Appointed affirmative action Sandra O’Connor to the Supreme Court.
    8. Signed Martin King Jr Day into law.
    9. Raised taxes in 7 of his 8 years as president.
    10. Increased the number of Federal employees.

    Yeah, guess he was a liberal republican.

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    This is what makes us liberals laugh (or cry, more accurately,) when the greedy right wingers want to slash taxes for the rich and cut social funding and get rid of social security in order to balance the budget, and invoke Reagan as their patron saint. Reagan was further to the left than today's Democratic establishment!
    , @Alden
    Agree totally. Reagan was also the person who executive ordered the law that every illegal alien who manages to get across the border can have her baby in an American hospital completely free courtesty of the taxpayers or tax slaves. Even the Chinese are doing this . They come to America when they are about 4 months pregnant and walk into a hospital and due to Reagan's executive order get the same totally free to them pre natal and childbirth care the hispanics get.

    It's one thing to give free childbirth to the occasional visitor whose time comes when she is away fro her home country. But we give free prenatal care and childbirth and pediatric care for the baby to millions of parasites every year ranging from dirt poor primiitive central American indians to middle class Chinese woman who arrive at 3 months on tourist visas.

    And due to the 14th amendment all those babies are citizens.

    he made affirmative action worse as well. When he was president every White who retired from federal work was replaced by a black or hispanic.
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  97. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anarchyst
    Before you criticize the American health care system, look to your own "socialized medicine" system. Look at the British "National Health Service" who recently consigned a baby to death and would not allow the parents to bring the child to the USA for treatment.
    Yes, the American system needs improvement, BUT, anyone who walks into an emergency room WILL BE TREATED. There are programs specifically for children, when their parents cannot afford to pay for treatment.

    American health care system is ‘top heavy’ It will successfully operate on heart lung kidney same time and do operation on brain which defies imagination . It will do surgery on 400 pound heavy body . But it can’t tske care of chronic blood pressure , diabetes, asthma, Hrart failure or SLE or Deprrssion or Schizophrenia.
    Multiples obstacles are in place put by the health insurances who still technically earn their money from state or federal gov . Pharmaceutical earn their profit from tax payer through obscure layers of laws and beaurocracy .

    American spends enormous money on health care and the return is poor .Other countries get more bang for their buck.

    Chronic congenital illness like Autusm
    Mental Retardation , intractable Seizure disorders don’t get the medical and rehabilitative supports they should .

    American are more unhealthy , obese, stressed and One pay check away from
    poverty once illness strikes with the force of chronicity or cancer strikes .

    You don’t see this deplorable pattern in western countries

    Emergency visits in US are last refuge for the large chunk of people sho can’t afford to go to out -pt and can’t survive without periodic emergency interventions for illness that should have never gone to the critical level in the first place .

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    Many of the chronic conditions that you describe are due to "lifestyles" and could be mitigated by sensible changes in diet and exercise. For example, adult-onset diabetes IS caused by overeating and poor diet. Medical professionals do not know the cause, but in cases of morbidly-obese people who have had their stomachs "banded" or "stapled" (to decrease their food consumption) , the adult-onset diabetes "goes away" almost immediately.
    Many of today's diseases ARE "lifestyle-related".
    You forget, that in most countries with "socialized medicine", private health insurance is still required, if one wants decent medical treatment. The government systems only provide a modicum of care.
    , @Alden
    You're not a native English speaker are you?
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  98. utu says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    There is a bright flesh & blood upside to "Washington's Wonderful World of Corruption."

    It is: Emergence of the noble work of Phil Giraldi and others stationed (by volition) on the U.R. front.

    Also, below is the light of Paul Craig Roberts official web site, which featured the heroic resistance of Norman Finkelstein.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/29/persecution-norman-finkelstein/

    How Norman Finkelstein got himself involved into this case? They get you on small stuff. They are patient and wait until you make a wrong move.

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  99. anarchyst says:
    @anon
    American health care system is ‘top heavy’ It will successfully operate on heart lung kidney same time and do operation on brain which defies imagination . It will do surgery on 400 pound heavy body . But it can’t tske care of chronic blood pressure , diabetes, asthma, Hrart failure or SLE or Deprrssion or Schizophrenia.
    Multiples obstacles are in place put by the health insurances who still technically earn their money from state or federal gov . Pharmaceutical earn their profit from tax payer through obscure layers of laws and beaurocracy .

    American spends enormous money on health care and the return is poor .Other countries get more bang for their buck.

    Chronic congenital illness like Autusm
    Mental Retardation , intractable Seizure disorders don’t get the medical and rehabilitative supports they should .

    American are more unhealthy , obese, stressed and One pay check away from
    poverty once illness strikes with the force of chronicity or cancer strikes .

    You don’t see this deplorable pattern in western countries

    Emergency visits in US are last refuge for the large chunk of people sho can’t afford to go to out -pt and can’t survive without periodic emergency interventions for illness that should have never gone to the critical level in the first place .

    Many of the chronic conditions that you describe are due to “lifestyles” and could be mitigated by sensible changes in diet and exercise. For example, adult-onset diabetes IS caused by overeating and poor diet. Medical professionals do not know the cause, but in cases of morbidly-obese people who have had their stomachs “banded” or “stapled” (to decrease their food consumption) , the adult-onset diabetes “goes away” almost immediately.
    Many of today’s diseases ARE “lifestyle-related”.
    You forget, that in most countries with “socialized medicine”, private health insurance is still required, if one wants decent medical treatment. The government systems only provide a modicum of care.

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    "Many of the chronic conditions that you describe are due to “lifestyles”
    So ?? Why does it matter?
    Your solution- dont have sex , wont have genetically ill child !!
    Sure stop war and get rid of pTSD
    Stop gun and get rid of gun related violence
    stop Alchol and get rid of MVA and so many other diseases



    "Socialized med" what does it mean ? what does it mean to you ?
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  100. @Tom Welsh
    "We Americans appear to have done it all to ourselves through inexplicable tolerance for a combination of greed and fundamental dishonesty on the part of our elected and appointed government officials".

    One thing about you Americans that often surprises foreigners is your readiness to believe that all this corruption is something new or different. It has been going on ever since well before 1776.

    My own opinion is that systematic corruption is a more or less inevitable consequence of Americans' attempts to cut themselves off from all previous history and moral standards. There were to be no royalty, nobility, gentry - no one exceptional at all in any way.

    Well, human nature abhors a lack of hierarchy: we need it almost as much as water, air, food, security. If you try to abolish all forms of hierarchy, all that happens is that it goes underground. What do Americans respect - what, indeed, have they respected most since (at least) the 1850s? Money. That's it. Cold hard cash. Wealth is next to godliness. The more money you have, the better a person you are thought to be - absolutely regardless of whether you got it by grinding the faces of the workers, murder, torture, drug dealing, or anything else.

    But money is not, cannot be a value. Marx explained this in fairly simple terms, but the following is my favourite way of putting it.

    'As the sociologist Georg Simmel wrote over a century ago, if you make money the center of your value system, then finally you have no value system, because money is not a value'.

    – Morris Berman, “The Moral Order”, Counterpunch 8-10 February 2013. http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/08/the-moral-order/

    The least bloody way to deal with a society in which money is God (especially at the upper levels) is to make it harder for anyone can accumulate great amounts of it. This is simply done by increasing the income tax rates. Make $50,000/yr. and you keep virtually all of it; make $500,000/ yr, , and you surrender 49% of it over $50,000; make $5,000,000 / yr. and you surrender 80% of it over $500,000. If you are going to steal, lie and rape for money, you will do it for the betterment of the society as a whole. The more you act like a pig, the more poor kids you will get to feed. The more money-grubbing that you do, the more bridges and highways you will build.
    We do not need a moral re-awakening, just get our incentives right. When the “John Galts” can no longer waltz in and grab everything not tied down and then sneak off to feast in private, money will be seen again as a tool and not as a goal in itself.
    The proposed tax cuts for the filthy rich will only make for a more cruel, nasty society. We need a focused tax hike instead.

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    • Replies: @Low Voltage
    The US federal tax system used to be like that, but Paul Craig Roberts' supply-side economics changed it. You can see the result.
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  101. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Naidamast
    The swamp of Washington D.C. cannot possibly be drained because it is so bloody well backup at the source...

    At least, in the UK they still have some reaction while being devoured by the ziocon parasitoid: http://www.moonofalabama.org/
    “Priti Patel was International Development Secretary, responsible for British aid to various countries and organizations. In August Patel went on a “family holiday” to Israel. Instead of enjoying the beach she met dozens of Israeli officials from Prime Minister Netanyahoo down to the heads of Zionist aid organizations. She was shepherded by one Lord Polak, a long time Israel lobbyist in British politics. Polak accompanied her to every meeting. None of these were disclosed to the British Embassy, the Foreign Office or Downing Street. Cabinet rules demand that all such meetings are coordinated and briefed through these official channels.
    Stuart Polak is a major character in Zionist lobbying in Britain: Ennobled by David Cameron two years ago, Lord Polak is a veteran of Westminster’s corridors of power. He has taken literally hundreds of Tory MPs to Israel over the years, educating them about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and securing their support in parliamentary votes and the public arena. Under his guidance, CFI became the biggest lobbying group in Westminster, holding lunches for 700 guests, making countless Downing Street visits, and developing contacts throughout Israel and the Middle East.
    Polak fled when the media tried to question him about his Israel visit arrangements for Patel. One of Patel’s meetings was at an army hospital in the Israel occupied Syrian Golan heights where the Israeli military patches up al-Qaeda Jihadis which were wounded while fighting the Syrian government. Only last week the Israeli army in the occupied Golan supported a murderous attack of al-Qaeda Jihadis on the Syrian Druze village of Hader in the Quneitra area. Druze in Israel who protested against the attack were arrested.
    Back in Britain Priti Patel asked her department to move British aid money from Palestinian causes to the Israeli military operation in the occupied Golan. (Funny how the Guardian in its wrap-up fails to mention that point …) Additionally to her busy holiday, Priti Patel had two other meetings with Israeli officials which she similarly did not disclose.
    When it became clear yesterday that Priti Patel’s behavior would cost her her job, the British Zionist lobby launched a rescue attempt. Based on anonymous sources the Jewish Chronicle claimed that Prime Minister May had been informed about two of the meetings and had ordered Patel to not disclose them: Downing Street immediately denied those claims and no other sources have backed them up. The Jewish Chronicle has been at the forefront of the slander campaign that tried to smear the British labor leader Corbyn as anti-semite.”
    Beautiful. The ridiculous Lord Polak “ennobled “by the ignoble Cameron to please the UK Friends of Israel, and the amazing (idiotic) Patel asking to re-channel the allotted money from Palestine to arm the apartheid Israel.

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  102. @jim jones
    America is one of the least corrupt countries in the World:

    https://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-corrupt-countries-in-the-world/info-lists

    Wonder who compiled that list?

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  103. @richard vajs
    The least bloody way to deal with a society in which money is God (especially at the upper levels) is to make it harder for anyone can accumulate great amounts of it. This is simply done by increasing the income tax rates. Make $50,000/yr. and you keep virtually all of it; make $500,000/ yr, , and you surrender 49% of it over $50,000; make $5,000,000 / yr. and you surrender 80% of it over $500,000. If you are going to steal, lie and rape for money, you will do it for the betterment of the society as a whole. The more you act like a pig, the more poor kids you will get to feed. The more money-grubbing that you do, the more bridges and highways you will build.
    We do not need a moral re-awakening, just get our incentives right. When the "John Galts" can no longer waltz in and grab everything not tied down and then sneak off to feast in private, money will be seen again as a tool and not as a goal in itself.
    The proposed tax cuts for the filthy rich will only make for a more cruel, nasty society. We need a focused tax hike instead.

    The US federal tax system used to be like that, but Paul Craig Roberts’ supply-side economics changed it. You can see the result.

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    Did PCR woke up since? Ever written about his supply-side and trickle down and what he thinks about it now?
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  104. People really need to disabuse themselves of the naive notion that there was a time when politics was pure andthe political class was made up of something other than venal, grasping parasitic megalomaniacal sociopaths.

    There was no ‘Golden Age’ when the political class relentlessly pursued the public good (or the common weal, or social welfare, or aggregate utility, or ‘what the people want’ or whatever bromide you prefer).

    Politics – and its co-conspirator religion – began when humans first managed to eke out a tiny surplus above subsistence.

    At that point, the individuals with the lowest moral standards realised that if they could persuade everyone to allow them (the grifters) to ‘lead’, then the grifting classes could live off the surplus. (In a tribe with 50 adults generating 2% ‘surplus’, one adult can live without lifting a finger so long as he can persuade the other 49 that he ‘deserves’ to)

    And so stories began, and grifters pretended that they had the answer to big important questions (like “When will the rains come?”; “Why did Ogg die when that rock fell on him?”; “Why do lion attacks and other bad stuff happen to good people?”) – a famous example is

    “I was up on the mountain just now, and I met an entity who gave me the rules that everyone has to live by… Oh, and it is all-powerful, and it said I have to be in charge. I know, right? I’m humbled by the onerous duty, but will accept the awesome responsibility. Can someone go make me a sandwich real quick?

    (voices off)

    What’s that, Shish son of Kebab? Can you meet this entity? Uhhhhmm… no. No, because… because… becauuuuse… oh, yeah, I forgot… if anyone looks at him, they will die. I have to go up alone at all times: I realise it’s not a perfect solution, but it is what it is. Great question though. Now, will someone bring me that goddamn sandwich, or do y’all really want me to wax wonderly wroth?”

    Rinse and repeat, adjusting the narrative as each part of the existing narrative is shown to be hogwash. At each iteration, a very large chunk of the herd will accept that without your clique, the entire world will got to pieces. This is because 95% of the population is not the sort of power-mad scumbag who would hatch a plot to live permanently, as a class, at the expense of others.

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  105. utu says:
    @Low Voltage
    The US federal tax system used to be like that, but Paul Craig Roberts' supply-side economics changed it. You can see the result.

    Did PCR woke up since? Ever written about his supply-side and trickle down and what he thinks about it now?

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    Hey Utu,

    An article or so ago, author P. Giraldi made a comment and wisely recommended that the Resistance "stick together."

    All will not agree on every burning issue / detail and there is little profit to think and act otherwise.

    utu, I wish you could temper your criticism for Paul Craig Roberts with a measure of respect for what the man has written to date & ideally going forward into our darkening times.

    Below is a very cool song by a musician who is outspoken for the Palestinian cause and took united Zionist flack for doing so. Song title is "Hey You" and I predict utu will especially appreciate the final lyric which is about the cost of division in spirit & "out in the cold."

    https://youtu.be/pBHvT6XievE

    Thank you.
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  106. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The triumph of profiteering idiots:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-privatization-of-nuclear-war/5458265

    “The Privatization of Nuclear War, Towards a World War III Scenario,” by Michel Chossudovsky

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  107. Mork D says:
    @Rich
    Well let's see, was Reagan a liberal?
    1. He signed California's abortion law.
    2. Signed the highest tax increase in California history as governor.
    3 Signed the Mulford Act restricting the right of the public to carry guns.
    4. Signed California's "No-Fault" divorce law.
    5. Tripled the Federal Deficit.
    6. Gave Amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens.
    7. Appointed affirmative action Sandra O'Connor to the Supreme Court.
    8. Signed Martin King Jr Day into law.
    9. Raised taxes in 7 of his 8 years as president.
    10. Increased the number of Federal employees.

    Yeah, guess he was a liberal republican.

    This is what makes us liberals laugh (or cry, more accurately,) when the greedy right wingers want to slash taxes for the rich and cut social funding and get rid of social security in order to balance the budget, and invoke Reagan as their patron saint. Reagan was further to the left than today’s Democratic establishment!

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    What makes an old conservative like me laugh is when liberals call "right wingers" greedy for working hard and wanting to donate to charities of their choice and take care of their own families, instead of paying for the left's various "lifestyle" choices. Just because someone is successful, doesn't mean he should have his hard-earned wealth taken from him to support whatever pet cause the left has embraced.
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  108. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anarchyst
    Many of the chronic conditions that you describe are due to "lifestyles" and could be mitigated by sensible changes in diet and exercise. For example, adult-onset diabetes IS caused by overeating and poor diet. Medical professionals do not know the cause, but in cases of morbidly-obese people who have had their stomachs "banded" or "stapled" (to decrease their food consumption) , the adult-onset diabetes "goes away" almost immediately.
    Many of today's diseases ARE "lifestyle-related".
    You forget, that in most countries with "socialized medicine", private health insurance is still required, if one wants decent medical treatment. The government systems only provide a modicum of care.

    “Many of the chronic conditions that you describe are due to “lifestyles”
    So ?? Why does it matter?
    Your solution- dont have sex , wont have genetically ill child !!
    Sure stop war and get rid of pTSD
    Stop gun and get rid of gun related violence
    stop Alchol and get rid of MVA and so many other diseases

    “Socialized med” what does it mean ? what does it mean to you ?

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  109. Rich says:
    @Mork D
    This is what makes us liberals laugh (or cry, more accurately,) when the greedy right wingers want to slash taxes for the rich and cut social funding and get rid of social security in order to balance the budget, and invoke Reagan as their patron saint. Reagan was further to the left than today's Democratic establishment!

    What makes an old conservative like me laugh is when liberals call “right wingers” greedy for working hard and wanting to donate to charities of their choice and take care of their own families, instead of paying for the left’s various “lifestyle” choices. Just because someone is successful, doesn’t mean he should have his hard-earned wealth taken from him to support whatever pet cause the left has embraced.

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  110. RobinG says:

    CLINTON SHOULD BE INDICTED, HER CAMPAIGN SUED
    “The Isikoff piece publicly launched the Trump-Russia collusion narrative—only 1½ months from the election—and the whole dossier operation counts as one of the greatest political stitch-ups of all time. Most campaigns content themselves with planting oppo research with media sources. The Clinton campaign commissioned a foreign ex-spy to gin up rumors, which made it to U.S. intelligence agencies, and then got reporters to cite it as government-sourced. Mrs. Clinton now dismisses the dossier as routine oppo research, ignoring that her operation specifically engineered the contents to be referred to throughout the campaign as “intelligence” or a “government investigation.”

    Making matters worse, there may be a grain of truth to that last claim. If the Washington Post’s reporting is correct, it was in the summer of 2016 that Jim Comey’s FBI obtained a wiretap warrant on Mr. Page from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. If it was the dossier that provoked that warrant, then the wrongs here are grave. Mr. Page is suing Yahoo News over that Isikoff story, but he may have a better case against the Clinton campaign and the federal government if they jointly spun a smear document into an abusive investigation.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/lifting-the-steele-curtain-1510274070?shareToken=st06c6ea422c584ca2abe6fd7f8d10b549&reflink=article_email_share

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  111. @utu
    Did PCR woke up since? Ever written about his supply-side and trickle down and what he thinks about it now?

    Hey Utu,

    An article or so ago, author P. Giraldi made a comment and wisely recommended that the Resistance “stick together.”

    All will not agree on every burning issue / detail and there is little profit to think and act otherwise.

    utu, I wish you could temper your criticism for Paul Craig Roberts with a measure of respect for what the man has written to date & ideally going forward into our darkening times.

    Below is a very cool song by a musician who is outspoken for the Palestinian cause and took united Zionist flack for doing so. Song title is “Hey You” and I predict utu will especially appreciate the final lyric which is about the cost of division in spirit & “out in the cold.”

    https://youtu.be/pBHvT6XievE

    Thank you.

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    So which Resistance are you referring to? War resisters? Israel Lobby resisters? The word conjures up anti-Trumpers like #Resist and Indivisible. In this interview, Sharmine describes Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas as the resistance:
    The Changing Face of the Middle East - Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&feature=youtu.be

    In for a penny, in for a pound: this discussion leaves James practically speechless :)
    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? - Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_LtbtvefM&t=2s
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  112. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Eva Bartlett is the humanity’s treasure, a truly courageous and principled person.
    An honest journalists versus an army of presstitutes: https://off-guardian.org/2017/11/08/video-eva-bartlett-exposes-the-lies-on-syria/
    The beauty is in exposing the MSM opportunists name by name.
    The US/Israel’ war on Syria is of course a case of intended genocide.

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  113. Alden says:
    @jilles dykstra
    What does one expect in a country where money dominates all ?
    The USA is a great country to live in when one is rich, anything goes, and horror when one is poor.
    The only way to escape horror is to get rich, and stay rich.
    I am severely ill, the Dutch health care system keeps me alive, at great cost.
    In the USA I would either be broke, and dead, or dead.

    I am severely handicapped, 75 years old and poor. For a very minimal payment each month I get some of the best medical care in the world, the Beverly Hills, Santa Monica Brentwood Ca excellent Drs. I actually don’t make the payment. It’s picked up by some government agency.

    Like so many left wing snobbish Europeans you are so ignorant you don’t think we have medical care in this country except for the rich. You are incredibly naive and credulous. Proof is that you believe there is no medical care in this country.

    Although I am poor, I used to be in the allegedly 3rd best hospital in the country. It is not a great hospital because it is filled with affirmative action foreign non White workers from Drs to technicians.

    I was able to switch to the best hospital in California which is a few miles west of me.

    You should test the American system. Come to Los Angeles on a tourist visa. Let it expire. then present yourself at Providence, UCLA, Cedars, St. John’s etc with all your diseases.

    You will get the exact same excellent care that I and my multimillionaire neighbors and relatives get.

    FYI, did you know that your pathetic little brothel of a country has so few advanced medical machines that it has contracts with hospitals in our state of Texas to care for dutch patients? Your pathetic little brothel of a country’s National Health system flies hundreds of patients to Texas hospitals and clinics to be diagnosed on our most advanced medical technology.

    I only post about things I have experienced and know about. You just mouth off your leftist propaganda nonsense our our national health system.

    The reason we don’t have a federal national health system is that we don’t need one. Each state and county has its own free health system for the indigent. Included in those indigent are millions of illegal aliens every year. Given that many USA counties are the size of France we cover everyone with our state and county health systems.

    We have counties and even cities that are larger than some European counties including your pathetic little brothel.

    Unlike me, you post ignorant nonsense leftist propagandists have poured into your empty vessel of a brain.

    You have posted a lot of totally ignorant and absolutely not true things on UNZ. But your post that only the very rich have medical care in this country is the post ignorant and uniformed of all.

    You should be banned for your totally, absolutely ignorant uniformed posting.

    I just picked up 2 prescriptions total cost to me, a crippled poor old lady was $3.21, about 2 English pounds or 4 Euros.

    The total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was……….$0.00.

    Total cost to me for the old age government health insurance and supplemental health insurance is $0.00 per month.

    I have an English brother in law who goes back home about every 2 years. All his friends and family are the standard European idiot intellectuals who know nothing about America but for the liberal propaganda poured into their empty vessel brains.

    He just loves refuting their idiocy like your ignorant nonsense that only the very very rich can afford medical care in this country. Or that “there is no public transportation in New York City” “have you ever been to New York City?” “No” “Then how do you know there is no public transit in NYC”
    ” I’ve been told”

    If you came here as an indigent visa overstayer illegal alien, you would get the same excellent medical care that I and all the Americans who paid into the system all our lives get.

    The real problem with our medical system is that we care for millions of foreigners every year who don’t pay anything at all for the care. For instance, China uses America as a health and retirement system since it doesn’t have much of a pension system. I guess under communism most people died early.

    But every single week day, immigrant welfare societies bring Chinese who arrived just a few days beofre into the old age social security office and sign them up for full medical care and an old age pension for those who never worked. That pension for those who never worked is SSI as opposed to SSA for those who worked and contributed to the pension system. And a lot of those Chinese are not even 65 which is the age to qualify for the pension. They are in their 50′s but equipped with fraudulent documents claiming they are 65 which gets them the pension.

    How can you continually post such total ignorance about America and not be ashamed? Haven’t your heard of google and wikepedia?

    You are have an empty vessel of a brain that liberal propaganda central poured ignorant, false, lying, fraudulent, completely, quite, totally wrong information into.

    If you posted that the Netherlands is north of France, west of Germany and east of Britain I wouldn’t believe you because so ignorant and untrue are most of your comments and observations.

    And what brought on your ignorant comment about health care? The article is about American foreign affairs and government, not health care. But you just had to insert your totally off topic snarky slimey little observation. Look up the word germane.

    What next, in all of America there is no public transit, neither trains nor buses, nor subways? Or America has no public libraries and Americans don’t read? All Americans are bible thumper fundamentalist Christians who believe the world was created in 6 days 6 thousand years ago? That blacks are burnt at the stake and lynched in city hall plaza as weekend recreation?

    A lot of your comments and observations are what Moscow sent to the useful idiot journalists, college professors and idiot intellectuals all during the cold war. And you are one of the empty vessels into which the propaganda was pumped.

    You should post about what you know and American health care is something about which you know nothing.

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    You know that you have been using other people's money to get your excellent medical care? Don't you? Namely, the government taxes the middle class and, when the middle-class citizens do not have money to pay for their medical bills they become destitute. Working-class families that try to run their own businesses do not have money to buy health insurance. Read first about the ObamaCare fraud to get some idea of what kind of national tragedy the robbed and uninsured American citizens have been living through. The poorest do have all med care they want (and they, particularly the bored elderly, often abuse the system), but those who work and do not belong to millionaire class, they live in fear of becoming destitute or spending all their saving, and more, to pay deductibles.
    Your gloating, "the total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was……….$0.00" only reminds others about the horrors of being uninsured while others get the best med. care for nothing. Mind that among the uninsured, the majority are people of relatively young age, who often cannot afford the routine exams and thus get mortally sick. Show some decency.
    , @Incitatus

    “For a very minimal payment each month I get some of the best medical care in the world…I actually don’t make the payment. It’s picked up by some government agency…Total cost to me for the old age government health insurance and supplemental health insurance is $0.00 per month.”
     
    Who picks up the bill? What’s their cost? Why do Americans pay 2-3 times other nations per capita? “Best medical care”? Why is American care rated 37th in the world?

    “I just picked up 2 prescriptions total cost to me, a crippled poor old lady was $3.21…”
     
    What was the total cost? Who paid? Why do we pay 3 times what other countries pay for drugs?

    “The reason we don’t have a federal national health system is that we don’t need one. Each state and county has its own free health system for the indigent…”
     
    Free? Who picks up the bill? What’s the cost? Are you on Medicare/Medicaid: national systems?

    “Given that many USA counties are the size of France we cover everyone with our state and county health systems…”
     
    The largest US county is San Bernardino (CA) at 20,105 sq. miles. France is 248,573 sq. miles. Hint: next time use Netherlands (16,040 sq. miles).

    “The total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was…$0.00.”
     
    Congratulations. A bionic miracle. Ever look at the bills? What was the cost? Who paid? Do you care?

    91 days in hospital $450,000 (double occupancy, no procedures or drugs). 122 days in a nursing home $52,000 (double occupancy, no procedures or drugs). Four hip replacements $160,000. Three knee replacements $149,000.

    $811,000! No problem if you don’t pay a dime - why care? The cost in higher rated countries? $186,000±. 23% US cost.

    We spend $3.2 trillion per year on Health Care. $10,000+ per capita, and 27 million still lack insurance. Japan spends $4,150 per capita, covers everyone, and lives 4.4 years longer. Canada pays $4,608 per capita, covers everyone, and lives 3 years longer. 250,000 Americans die of medical errors every year. Another 99,000 from infections caught in hospitals. The US ties Serbia in infant mortality (5.8 deaths/1000 births). The US ties Lebanon in maternal mortality (14 deaths/100k births). US end of life care easily burns through $250,000/yr. QED two thirds of nursing home patients are paupers on Medicaid.

    “The real problem with our medical system is that we care for millions of foreigners every year who don’t pay anything at all for the care.”
     
    At most 85,000 foreigners come to the US for medical care each year. 750,000 Americans travel to other countries for treatment. Wonder why?

    Hate freeloading indigents, foreigners and illegal aliens, yet proud to pay the same for your care? Whine about liberals, but act like a model socialist? What gives?

    The real problem with our medical system is outrageous, unsustainable cost for mediocre quality. Cause? Consumers who don’t care about expense, don’t look at the bill, and pass it to future generations.
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  114. Alden says:
    @anon
    American health care system is ‘top heavy’ It will successfully operate on heart lung kidney same time and do operation on brain which defies imagination . It will do surgery on 400 pound heavy body . But it can’t tske care of chronic blood pressure , diabetes, asthma, Hrart failure or SLE or Deprrssion or Schizophrenia.
    Multiples obstacles are in place put by the health insurances who still technically earn their money from state or federal gov . Pharmaceutical earn their profit from tax payer through obscure layers of laws and beaurocracy .

    American spends enormous money on health care and the return is poor .Other countries get more bang for their buck.

    Chronic congenital illness like Autusm
    Mental Retardation , intractable Seizure disorders don’t get the medical and rehabilitative supports they should .

    American are more unhealthy , obese, stressed and One pay check away from
    poverty once illness strikes with the force of chronicity or cancer strikes .

    You don’t see this deplorable pattern in western countries

    Emergency visits in US are last refuge for the large chunk of people sho can’t afford to go to out -pt and can’t survive without periodic emergency interventions for illness that should have never gone to the critical level in the first place .

    You’re not a native English speaker are you?

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    No ,he is not .
    But he has a lot more information he can enrich your brain with and in the process ,can make you little more informed .
    Have you got anything other than the ability to follow the FOX and CNN ?
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  115. Alden says:
    @Rich
    Well let's see, was Reagan a liberal?
    1. He signed California's abortion law.
    2. Signed the highest tax increase in California history as governor.
    3 Signed the Mulford Act restricting the right of the public to carry guns.
    4. Signed California's "No-Fault" divorce law.
    5. Tripled the Federal Deficit.
    6. Gave Amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens.
    7. Appointed affirmative action Sandra O'Connor to the Supreme Court.
    8. Signed Martin King Jr Day into law.
    9. Raised taxes in 7 of his 8 years as president.
    10. Increased the number of Federal employees.

    Yeah, guess he was a liberal republican.

    Agree totally. Reagan was also the person who executive ordered the law that every illegal alien who manages to get across the border can have her baby in an American hospital completely free courtesty of the taxpayers or tax slaves. Even the Chinese are doing this . They come to America when they are about 4 months pregnant and walk into a hospital and due to Reagan’s executive order get the same totally free to them pre natal and childbirth care the hispanics get.

    It’s one thing to give free childbirth to the occasional visitor whose time comes when she is away fro her home country. But we give free prenatal care and childbirth and pediatric care for the baby to millions of parasites every year ranging from dirt poor primiitive central American indians to middle class Chinese woman who arrive at 3 months on tourist visas.

    And due to the 14th amendment all those babies are citizens.

    he made affirmative action worse as well. When he was president every White who retired from federal work was replaced by a black or hispanic.

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  116. Alden says:
    @Old and in the way
    Academics, working from CDC statistics, estimated in 2009 that 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of medical care.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    As a nation, we want to go nuts over a few hundred or perhaps a thousand deaths from illegal aliens, but we look the other way as tens of thousands die in order to make people rich(er) from a for-profit medical system.

    Academics did this study? How naive and credulous to believe anything done by an academic.

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  117. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hey Utu,

    An article or so ago, author P. Giraldi made a comment and wisely recommended that the Resistance "stick together."

    All will not agree on every burning issue / detail and there is little profit to think and act otherwise.

    utu, I wish you could temper your criticism for Paul Craig Roberts with a measure of respect for what the man has written to date & ideally going forward into our darkening times.

    Below is a very cool song by a musician who is outspoken for the Palestinian cause and took united Zionist flack for doing so. Song title is "Hey You" and I predict utu will especially appreciate the final lyric which is about the cost of division in spirit & "out in the cold."

    https://youtu.be/pBHvT6XievE

    Thank you.

    So which Resistance are you referring to? War resisters? Israel Lobby resisters? The word conjures up anti-Trumpers like #Resist and Indivisible. In this interview, Sharmine describes Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas as the resistance:
    The Changing Face of the Middle East – Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&feature=youtu.be

    In for a penny, in for a pound: this discussion leaves James practically speechless :)
    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? – Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_LtbtvefM&t=2s

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    RobinG,

    Am I in error by thinking your comment # 117 is contentious?

    I am no angel, but my comment-record here at the U.R. lends even Judah Ben iffen-iffen to know that by "Resistance" I specifically mean resistance to wars for Israel and the Jewish lobbies.

    Also, I am against ZUSA President "Bonespur" Trump who is gradually orchestrating the creation of Greater Israel.

    What's happening in "Iran, Saudi Arabia" you ask, RobinG?

    An Anglo/American/Saud Family-Zionist plot to neutralize the Islamic Republic of Iran's ideological influence and military power.

    (Zigh) I fear both Putin's Russia & and Xi' s China are taking the above action under serious N.W.O. consideration. Perhaps an offer tabled that Iran "can not refuse?"

    The American-Israeli-Goldman Sachs Group Empire is aching to pivot East where the big business is!

    Thanks, RobinG. Trust I read your words wrong.
    .
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Are you a nun, RobinG? You're piling on the homework in advance of the forecast of snowy weekend ---
    -- anon @ #12 linked to Eva Bartlett https://off-guardian.org/2017/11/08/video-eva-bartlett-exposes-the-lies-on-syria/

    -- your assignment of essential listening/study of Sharmine Narwani -- haven't followed her since Debbie Menon's Catbird Seat
    Corbett's interview of Narwani is loaded with information with which to untangle the shifting alliances and intrigues in ME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&feature=youtu.be
    UFers: this is a Must Watch (and take notes: you will be tested)

    Haven't listened to the second Corbett interview (digging out the snow shovel & sharpening pencils. FUN FACT: Napoleon sought to imitate Alexander the Great in his incursions into Egypt: took along "savants" and scholars who could record & explain the culture, rather than destroy it (as Allies did in WWII, committing what A C Grayling called "culturecide" in the deliberate, zioinist-planned & implemented destruction of Aachen and of Monte Cassino, among other cultural treasures **)

    Anyway -- Napoleon took along so many artists & scholars that France ran out of pencils. One of Napoleon's savants devised a method of melting lead bullets to make pencils. Fancy that.

    ** Given the propensity for Abrahamics -- Jews AND Christians who consider it their right & even duty to destroy the cultures and icons of others -- the whole Thou Shalt Have no strange gods -- thing -- BEWARE:
    During the war between Iran and Iraq that US played a role in provoking and supporting, some of Iran's most beautiful mosques and shrines were severely damaged. They are now UNESCO-protected sites.
    BUT: Trump and his whoremate Nikki Haley have trashed UNESCO., paving the way to destruction of the treasures of ancient civilizations without any accountability.
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  118. @RobinG
    So which Resistance are you referring to? War resisters? Israel Lobby resisters? The word conjures up anti-Trumpers like #Resist and Indivisible. In this interview, Sharmine describes Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas as the resistance:
    The Changing Face of the Middle East - Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&feature=youtu.be

    In for a penny, in for a pound: this discussion leaves James practically speechless :)
    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? - Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_LtbtvefM&t=2s

    RobinG,

    Am I in error by thinking your comment # 117 is contentious?

    I am no angel, but my comment-record here at the U.R. lends even Judah Ben iffen-iffen to know that by “Resistance” I specifically mean resistance to wars for Israel and the Jewish lobbies.

    Also, I am against ZUSA President “Bonespur” Trump who is gradually orchestrating the creation of Greater Israel.

    What’s happening in “Iran, Saudi Arabia” you ask, RobinG?

    An Anglo/American/Saud Family-Zionist plot to neutralize the Islamic Republic of Iran’s ideological influence and military power.

    (Zigh) I fear both Putin’s Russia & and Xi’ s China are taking the above action under serious N.W.O. consideration. Perhaps an offer tabled that Iran “can not refuse?”

    The American-Israeli-Goldman Sachs Group Empire is aching to pivot East where the big business is!

    Thanks, RobinG. Trust I read your words wrong.
    .

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    You read wrong. Unless you consider it contentious that I question your use of the term 'resistance' since that is generally associated with Pussy Warriors these days. Well, maybe it's a good choice. Sometimes confusion can be useful. And your Resistance is sympatico with Marwa's. Hmmm, interesting.

    But I didn't ask, What’s happening in “Iran, Saudi Arabia." Simply shared Marwa's definition of 'Resistance." Oh, I see, you mistook the title for a question... Well, it's an excellent interview - very detailed explanation. Then Narwani extrapolates. Good job by Corbett to feature these women.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_LtbtvefM
    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? - Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&t=14s
    The Changing Face of the Middle East - Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report
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  119. @RobinG
    So which Resistance are you referring to? War resisters? Israel Lobby resisters? The word conjures up anti-Trumpers like #Resist and Indivisible. In this interview, Sharmine describes Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas as the resistance:
    The Changing Face of the Middle East - Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&feature=youtu.be

    In for a penny, in for a pound: this discussion leaves James practically speechless :)
    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? - Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_LtbtvefM&t=2s

    Are you a nun, RobinG? You’re piling on the homework in advance of the forecast of snowy weekend —
    – anon @ #12 linked to Eva Bartlett https://off-guardian.org/2017/11/08/video-eva-bartlett-exposes-the-lies-on-syria/

    – your assignment of essential listening/study of Sharmine Narwani — haven’t followed her since Debbie Menon’s Catbird Seat
    Corbett’s interview of Narwani is loaded with information with which to untangle the shifting alliances and intrigues in ME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&feature=youtu.be
    UFers: this is a Must Watch (and take notes: you will be tested)

    Haven’t listened to the second Corbett interview (digging out the snow shovel & sharpening pencils. FUN FACT: Napoleon sought to imitate Alexander the Great in his incursions into Egypt: took along “savants” and scholars who could record & explain the culture, rather than destroy it (as Allies did in WWII, committing what A C Grayling called “culturecide” in the deliberate, zioinist-planned & implemented destruction of Aachen and of Monte Cassino, among other cultural treasures **)

    Anyway — Napoleon took along so many artists & scholars that France ran out of pencils. One of Napoleon’s savants devised a method of melting lead bullets to make pencils. Fancy that.

    ** Given the propensity for Abrahamics — Jews AND Christians who consider it their right & even duty to destroy the cultures and icons of others — the whole Thou Shalt Have no strange gods — thing — BEWARE:
    During the war between Iran and Iraq that US played a role in provoking and supporting, some of Iran’s most beautiful mosques and shrines were severely damaged. They are now UNESCO-protected sites.
    BUT: Trump and his whoremate Nikki Haley have trashed UNESCO., paving the way to destruction of the treasures of ancient civilizations without any accountability.

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  120. To All Brothers & Sisters,

    Prepare for war! Please look at the important news article below?

    https://news.antiwar.com/2017/11/09/saudis-uae-kuwait-order-citizens-to-leave-lebanon/

    Such tragedy is one major (rotten fruit) result of Washington D.C.’s manifold “corruption.”

    Thank you today on bygone Armistice Day.

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    Prepare for war!
     
    Thanks for sharing, Chuck.

    It looks as though Act III is about to begin:

    Act I – get the dumb clod to attack the Sunnis
    Act II – get the dumb clod to take a Sunni turn
    Act III – get the dumb clod to get the Sunnis (led by KSA) and the Shia (les by IRI) to slaughter each other in a 100 year war (preferably longer) while the villa inexorably expands in the jungle
    , @SolontoCroesus
    thanks for the link, ChuckOrloski.

    But it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

    Michael Horton from Jamestown Fdn published this on American Conservative:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/will-backlash-to-crusading-prince-begin-within-saudi-military-salman-mbs/

    Something Horton said & somethings he didn't say:
    a. Horton did NOT report that KSA is running out of money, seriously. KSA has been able to sustain a dynastic monarchy since 1932 on its oil wealth: you pay people to remain complaisant & compliant. When the money runs out, and the natives become aware that they've been hoodwinked all these years, then the only recourse is force/repression, which is the path MbS is taking.

    However, NYTimes reporting focused on the efforts of KSA to attract foreign investment, including selling Aramco, in which case, NYTimes is puzzled by the prince's acts alienating major businessmen/billionaires -- maybe it was demanded by Israel, who wants the benefits to roll into Israeli coffers not Saudi, or Russian; or to in any way benefit Iran or fail to harm Iran??
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/middleeast/saudi-crown-prince-purge.html

    b. MbS's alliance w/ Israel may have a financial component: Israel is financing MbS's activities -- like the shoot-down of the helicopter carrying the more-moderate KSA prince who was opposed to bin Salman's adventures in Yemen.
    Israel has been known to support both sides of a conflict with the goal of having the contenders wipe each other out while Israel emerges with its hands 'clean,' its treasury intact if not positively enhanced -- after all, USA is undergirding Israel's investment in Muhammad bin Salman, so if he wins or loses, Israel will not feel the pinch.
    USA will be harmed, -- win OR lose, if it remains tied by the Kushner strings to a KSA-Israel alliance.
    (the optimal position for USA would be to form an entente w/ Iran while remaining engaged w/ KSA -- to exert control -- and to disengage from Israel, the spoiler in the region.


    Horton DID report that there are TWO major military forces in KSA, and bin Salman pissed off one of them:


    "his firing of one prince—the head of the Saudi Arabian National Guard—may have been his fatal mistake. . . .
    Of far more concern to stability within the House of Saud is the removal of Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah from his position as head of the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG). Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah is the son of late King Abdullah. He has commanded the Saudi National Guard since 2010 when he took over the position from his father. The National Guard is Saudi Arabia’s premier fighting force. It rivals the well-equipped but poorly led Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF). Saudi Arabia has what are essentially two distinct armies: the National Guard which is dedicated to protecting the House of Saud and the Royal Saudi Land Forces which acts as a more conventional fighting force. The National Guard has long been the preserve of the Shammar branch of the House of Saud. The late King Abdullah commanded the National Guard for five decades. The National Guard is unique in that it draws on Saudi Arabia’s tribal roots and in doing so acts as a vital link between the royals and the tribal support that they counted on during their rise to power in the 1920s. While the House of Saud’s dependence on tribal support is diminished, it should not be discounted altogether.

    Muhammad bin Salman’s dismissal of Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah from his position could prove to be a serious miscalculation. MbS is already unpopular with large parts of the Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF) for his disastrous and impetuous war in Yemen. The Saudi led war in Yemen has proceeded from failure to failure and has put tremendous pressure on the inadequately trained and led RSLF. The National Guard has largely been spared deployment to Saudi Arabia’s dangerous and porous border with Yemen. This is largely due to Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah’s efforts to thwart MbS’ war in Yemen, which is regarded by many within the House of Saud as reckless, dangerous, and deeply immoral.

    Dissatisfaction with what many of the old guard regard as an upstart prince could easily manifest itself among the tribal leaders that make up the corps of the National Guard where there is considerable loyalty to the Shammar branch of the al-Saud family. The National Guard is a potent force within Saudi Arabia and is but one of many potential pools of discontent. Muhammad bin Salman’s betrayal of decades of rule by consensus and consultation in favor of determined autocracy has undoubtedly made enemies of hundreds, if not thousands, of wealthy and influential princes and businessmen. These princes and businessmen are unlikely to wait for their invitation to the Ritz Carlton. "
     

    It would be deeeelightful if it turns out that Bibi overplayed his hand by allying the villa in the jungle w/ Mohammad bin Salman, and the Saudi military and businessmen turn against the tyrant-prince and overthrow his unprecedented bid for dictatorial rule.
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  121. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    RobinG,

    Am I in error by thinking your comment # 117 is contentious?

    I am no angel, but my comment-record here at the U.R. lends even Judah Ben iffen-iffen to know that by "Resistance" I specifically mean resistance to wars for Israel and the Jewish lobbies.

    Also, I am against ZUSA President "Bonespur" Trump who is gradually orchestrating the creation of Greater Israel.

    What's happening in "Iran, Saudi Arabia" you ask, RobinG?

    An Anglo/American/Saud Family-Zionist plot to neutralize the Islamic Republic of Iran's ideological influence and military power.

    (Zigh) I fear both Putin's Russia & and Xi' s China are taking the above action under serious N.W.O. consideration. Perhaps an offer tabled that Iran "can not refuse?"

    The American-Israeli-Goldman Sachs Group Empire is aching to pivot East where the big business is!

    Thanks, RobinG. Trust I read your words wrong.
    .

    You read wrong. Unless you consider it contentious that I question your use of the term ‘resistance’ since that is generally associated with Pussy Warriors these days. Well, maybe it’s a good choice. Sometimes confusion can be useful. And your Resistance is sympatico with Marwa’s. Hmmm, interesting.

    But I didn’t ask, What’s happening in “Iran, Saudi Arabia.” Simply shared Marwa’s definition of ‘Resistance.” Oh, I see, you mistook the title for a question… Well, it’s an excellent interview – very detailed explanation. Then Narwani extrapolates. Good job by Corbett to feature these women.

    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? – Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report


    The Changing Face of the Middle East – Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report

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    Hey RobinG,

    Am not hip on identity politics and subsequently have no clue what are "Pussy Warriors." Anything akin to Russia's "Pussy Riot" which seems to have gone the way of the Dixie Chicks?

    Oh well... hard times "confusion" no more and thanks very much for the meaningful Corbett links!

    P.S.: Autumn 1970, while at Fort Polk. Louisiana, my D.I., Sergeant Stege, would make us "Freshmeat" sing crazy songs while learning to march. I recall one particularly funny & popular (sexist?) song that went exactly like this: "I don't know but I been told, Eskimo pussy is mighty cold... one, two, three four!"

    (Sigh) I wonder if the young conservative Sarah Palin could hear that tune from Alaska?
    , @geokat62
    Excellent analysis. Thx for sharing, Robin.

    Along this same vein, here's an excerpt of an exchange between reporter Dennis J Bernstein and Rania Masri, Beirut-based Professor, Activist and Environmental Scientist.

    The article, The Saudi Hand in Lebanon’s Crisis, is posted on consortiumnews.com:

    Rania Masri: It’s important to recognize that when Hezbollah is threatened, all Lebanon is threatened. Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization within the country, Hezbollah is a legitimate political party, a legitimate resistance movement, it is part and parcel of the fabric of this country. What the Saudis are calling for is that the Lebanese relinquish what is left of our sovereignty and to sacrifice our main means of protecting ourselves against Israeli aggression.

    Remember that it was Hezbollah that fought to liberate the south of Lebanon from the 22-year occupation of the Israelis. It was Hezbollah who defeated Israeli in the 2006 war. And because of that, since 2006, Israel has not launched another military aggression against this country, even though they typically do so every three years.

    And for Saudi Arabia to threaten Lebanon that either we disarm and remove Hezbollah as a legitimate political party or we will face Saudi repercussions is basically having us choose between a war with Saudi Arabia or being defenseless and broken. Saudi Arabia has the means to cause assassinations, to launch terrorist campaigns, to wage economic warfare against the country, but they do not have the means to break the back of the Lebanese people.

    Dennis Bernstein: You alluded to the invisible hand of Israel.

    Rania Masri: Benjamin Netanyahu has been gleeful ever since the Saudi statements and he has been promoting it as a further reason for the international community to attack and isolate Iran and to dismantle Hezbollah. We already know that this Saudi regime and the Israeli regime are in cahoots. So it comes as no surprise for the Israeli government to be the first to welcome these Saudi statements.

    The Saudis seem to have forgotten who the real enemy is in the region and to have accepted a false sectarian discourse that the enemy is Iran and the Shias. Well, we all know that the enemy of the region is Zionism, a philosophy built on apartheid that continues to seek expansionist means, that continues to promote ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/11/10/the-saudi-hand-in-lebanons-crisis/
     
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  122. @RobinG
    You read wrong. Unless you consider it contentious that I question your use of the term 'resistance' since that is generally associated with Pussy Warriors these days. Well, maybe it's a good choice. Sometimes confusion can be useful. And your Resistance is sympatico with Marwa's. Hmmm, interesting.

    But I didn't ask, What’s happening in “Iran, Saudi Arabia." Simply shared Marwa's definition of 'Resistance." Oh, I see, you mistook the title for a question... Well, it's an excellent interview - very detailed explanation. Then Narwani extrapolates. Good job by Corbett to feature these women.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_LtbtvefM
    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? - Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&t=14s
    The Changing Face of the Middle East - Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report

    Hey RobinG,

    Am not hip on identity politics and subsequently have no clue what are “Pussy Warriors.” Anything akin to Russia’s “Pussy Riot” which seems to have gone the way of the Dixie Chicks?

    Oh well… hard times “confusion” no more and thanks very much for the meaningful Corbett links!

    P.S.: Autumn 1970, while at Fort Polk. Louisiana, my D.I., Sergeant Stege, would make us “Freshmeat” sing crazy songs while learning to march. I recall one particularly funny & popular (sexist?) song that went exactly like this: “I don’t know but I been told, Eskimo pussy is mighty cold… one, two, three four!”

    (Sigh) I wonder if the young conservative Sarah Palin could hear that tune from Alaska?

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    Thanks Chuck! That's an ancient memory for me from 1968 at Ft Leonard Wood. We used to sing that and also the Vietnam song that used the tune of "Poison Ivy." It went "late at night while you're sleepin' Charlie Cong comes a creepin' all around you..."
    , @RobinG
    LOL. "Pussy Warriors" is just my personal sobriquet for the pink pussy hat wearers of the Women's March.... the day after the Inauguration... you remember that, don't you? Those women didn't go away, you know. They are highly organized, mobilized, and waging political warfare on Trump. They don't attack what most deserves it (Trump's subservience to Israel), and most of them have [Russia!] upside down, but this hyper-activism is a significant by-product of Hilligula's loss.

    Lots of talk about Nam this weekend. Last night we watched Full Metal Jacket for the first time. A few songs in that.
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  123. @ChuckOrloski
    Hey RobinG,

    Am not hip on identity politics and subsequently have no clue what are "Pussy Warriors." Anything akin to Russia's "Pussy Riot" which seems to have gone the way of the Dixie Chicks?

    Oh well... hard times "confusion" no more and thanks very much for the meaningful Corbett links!

    P.S.: Autumn 1970, while at Fort Polk. Louisiana, my D.I., Sergeant Stege, would make us "Freshmeat" sing crazy songs while learning to march. I recall one particularly funny & popular (sexist?) song that went exactly like this: "I don't know but I been told, Eskimo pussy is mighty cold... one, two, three four!"

    (Sigh) I wonder if the young conservative Sarah Palin could hear that tune from Alaska?

    Thanks Chuck! That’s an ancient memory for me from 1968 at Ft Leonard Wood. We used to sing that and also the Vietnam song that used the tune of “Poison Ivy.” It went “late at night while you’re sleepin’ Charlie Cong comes a creepin’ all around you…”

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    Very funny and (somewhat) fond tunes, eh Phil?

    Another one of Drill Sergeant Stege's greatest marching hits was, "I 'wanna be an Airborne Ranger, I want to live a life of danger... I want 's kill some Charlie Cong."

    Now I shudder while considering what our War on Terror troops are taught to sing while at Basic Training.

    (SIGH)
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  124. @Philip Giraldi
    Thanks Chuck! That's an ancient memory for me from 1968 at Ft Leonard Wood. We used to sing that and also the Vietnam song that used the tune of "Poison Ivy." It went "late at night while you're sleepin' Charlie Cong comes a creepin' all around you..."

    Very funny and (somewhat) fond tunes, eh Phil?

    Another one of Drill Sergeant Stege’s greatest marching hits was, “I ‘wanna be an Airborne Ranger, I want to live a life of danger… I want ‘s kill some Charlie Cong.”

    Now I shudder while considering what our War on Terror troops are taught to sing while at Basic Training.

    (SIGH)

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  125. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hey RobinG,

    Am not hip on identity politics and subsequently have no clue what are "Pussy Warriors." Anything akin to Russia's "Pussy Riot" which seems to have gone the way of the Dixie Chicks?

    Oh well... hard times "confusion" no more and thanks very much for the meaningful Corbett links!

    P.S.: Autumn 1970, while at Fort Polk. Louisiana, my D.I., Sergeant Stege, would make us "Freshmeat" sing crazy songs while learning to march. I recall one particularly funny & popular (sexist?) song that went exactly like this: "I don't know but I been told, Eskimo pussy is mighty cold... one, two, three four!"

    (Sigh) I wonder if the young conservative Sarah Palin could hear that tune from Alaska?

    LOL. “Pussy Warriors” is just my personal sobriquet for the pink pussy hat wearers of the Women’s March…. the day after the Inauguration… you remember that, don’t you? Those women didn’t go away, you know. They are highly organized, mobilized, and waging political warfare on Trump. They don’t attack what most deserves it (Trump’s subservience to Israel), and most of them have [Russia!] upside down, but this hyper-activism is a significant by-product of Hilligula’s loss.

    Lots of talk about Nam this weekend. Last night we watched Full Metal Jacket for the first time. A few songs in that.

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    RobinG,

    Full Metal Jacket is a good look back at the war from, of course, the perfect-prone position of a trainee "grunt" casket.

    A couple years ago while walking away from a Taylor, Pa war memorial, Linh Dinh and I discussed the popular film "Apocalypse Now." I really dug the music in that movie, especially, The Doors song, "This is the End." However L.D. "expanded" my mind by discussing his article, "Apocalypse lies," linked below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2001/nov/02/artsfeatures.londonfilmfestival2001

    Thank you for very much for your passionate (U.R. comment) service, RobinG!

    P.S. I am a bit disappointed (to date) at the thin comment crowd present on this very important topic of unbridled D.C. "corruption" and inevitable national ruination.
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  126. @RobinG
    LOL. "Pussy Warriors" is just my personal sobriquet for the pink pussy hat wearers of the Women's March.... the day after the Inauguration... you remember that, don't you? Those women didn't go away, you know. They are highly organized, mobilized, and waging political warfare on Trump. They don't attack what most deserves it (Trump's subservience to Israel), and most of them have [Russia!] upside down, but this hyper-activism is a significant by-product of Hilligula's loss.

    Lots of talk about Nam this weekend. Last night we watched Full Metal Jacket for the first time. A few songs in that.

    RobinG,

    Full Metal Jacket is a good look back at the war from, of course, the perfect-prone position of a trainee “grunt” casket.

    A couple years ago while walking away from a Taylor, Pa war memorial, Linh Dinh and I discussed the popular film “Apocalypse Now.” I really dug the music in that movie, especially, The Doors song, “This is the End.” However L.D. “expanded” my mind by discussing his article, “Apocalypse lies,” linked below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2001/nov/02/artsfeatures.londonfilmfestival2001

    Thank you for very much for your passionate (U.R. comment) service, RobinG!

    P.S. I am a bit disappointed (to date) at the thin comment crowd present on this very important topic of unbridled D.C. “corruption” and inevitable national ruination.

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  127. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Alden
    I am severely handicapped, 75 years old and poor. For a very minimal payment each month I get some of the best medical care in the world, the Beverly Hills, Santa Monica Brentwood Ca excellent Drs. I actually don't make the payment. It's picked up by some government agency.

    Like so many left wing snobbish Europeans you are so ignorant you don't think we have medical care in this country except for the rich. You are incredibly naive and credulous. Proof is that you believe there is no medical care in this country.

    Although I am poor, I used to be in the allegedly 3rd best hospital in the country. It is not a great hospital because it is filled with affirmative action foreign non White workers from Drs to technicians.

    I was able to switch to the best hospital in California which is a few miles west of me.

    You should test the American system. Come to Los Angeles on a tourist visa. Let it expire. then present yourself at Providence, UCLA, Cedars, St. John's etc with all your diseases.

    You will get the exact same excellent care that I and my multimillionaire neighbors and relatives get.


    FYI, did you know that your pathetic little brothel of a country has so few advanced medical machines that it has contracts with hospitals in our state of Texas to care for dutch patients? Your pathetic little brothel of a country's National Health system flies hundreds of patients to Texas hospitals and clinics to be diagnosed on our most advanced medical technology.

    I only post about things I have experienced and know about. You just mouth off your leftist propaganda nonsense our our national health system.


    The reason we don't have a federal national health system is that we don't need one. Each state and county has its own free health system for the indigent. Included in those indigent are millions of illegal aliens every year. Given that many USA counties are the size of France we cover everyone with our state and county health systems.

    We have counties and even cities that are larger than some European counties including your pathetic little brothel.

    Unlike me, you post ignorant nonsense leftist propagandists have poured into your empty vessel of a brain.

    You have posted a lot of totally ignorant and absolutely not true things on UNZ. But your post that only the very rich have medical care in this country is the post ignorant and uniformed of all.

    You should be banned for your totally, absolutely ignorant uniformed posting.

    I just picked up 2 prescriptions total cost to me, a crippled poor old lady was $3.21, about 2 English pounds or 4 Euros.

    The total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was..........$0.00.

    Total cost to me for the old age government health insurance and supplemental health insurance is $0.00 per month.

    I have an English brother in law who goes back home about every 2 years. All his friends and family are the standard European idiot intellectuals who know nothing about America but for the liberal propaganda poured into their empty vessel brains.

    He just loves refuting their idiocy like your ignorant nonsense that only the very very rich can afford medical care in this country. Or that "there is no public transportation in New York City" "have you ever been to New York City?" "No" "Then how do you know there is no public transit in NYC"
    " I've been told"

    If you came here as an indigent visa overstayer illegal alien, you would get the same excellent medical care that I and all the Americans who paid into the system all our lives get.

    The real problem with our medical system is that we care for millions of foreigners every year who don't pay anything at all for the care. For instance, China uses America as a health and retirement system since it doesn't have much of a pension system. I guess under communism most people died early.

    But every single week day, immigrant welfare societies bring Chinese who arrived just a few days beofre into the old age social security office and sign them up for full medical care and an old age pension for those who never worked. That pension for those who never worked is SSI as opposed to SSA for those who worked and contributed to the pension system. And a lot of those Chinese are not even 65 which is the age to qualify for the pension. They are in their 50's but equipped with fraudulent documents claiming they are 65 which gets them the pension.

    How can you continually post such total ignorance about America and not be ashamed? Haven't your heard of google and wikepedia?

    You are have an empty vessel of a brain that liberal propaganda central poured ignorant, false, lying, fraudulent, completely, quite, totally wrong information into.

    If you posted that the Netherlands is north of France, west of Germany and east of Britain I wouldn't believe you because so ignorant and untrue are most of your comments and observations.

    And what brought on your ignorant comment about health care? The article is about American foreign affairs and government, not health care. But you just had to insert your totally off topic snarky slimey little observation. Look up the word germane.

    What next, in all of America there is no public transit, neither trains nor buses, nor subways? Or America has no public libraries and Americans don't read? All Americans are bible thumper fundamentalist Christians who believe the world was created in 6 days 6 thousand years ago? That blacks are burnt at the stake and lynched in city hall plaza as weekend recreation?

    A lot of your comments and observations are what Moscow sent to the useful idiot journalists, college professors and idiot intellectuals all during the cold war. And you are one of the empty vessels into which the propaganda was pumped.


    You should post about what you know and American health care is something about which you know nothing.

    You know that you have been using other people’s money to get your excellent medical care? Don’t you? Namely, the government taxes the middle class and, when the middle-class citizens do not have money to pay for their medical bills they become destitute. Working-class families that try to run their own businesses do not have money to buy health insurance. Read first about the ObamaCare fraud to get some idea of what kind of national tragedy the robbed and uninsured American citizens have been living through. The poorest do have all med care they want (and they, particularly the bored elderly, often abuse the system), but those who work and do not belong to millionaire class, they live in fear of becoming destitute or spending all their saving, and more, to pay deductibles.
    Your gloating, “the total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was……….$0.00″ only reminds others about the horrors of being uninsured while others get the best med. care for nothing. Mind that among the uninsured, the majority are people of relatively young age, who often cannot afford the routine exams and thus get mortally sick. Show some decency.

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  128. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    To All Brothers & Sisters,

    Prepare for war! Please look at the important news article below?

    https://news.antiwar.com/2017/11/09/saudis-uae-kuwait-order-citizens-to-leave-lebanon/

    Such tragedy is one major (rotten fruit) result of Washington D.C.'s manifold "corruption."

    Thank you today on bygone Armistice Day.

    Prepare for war!

    Thanks for sharing, Chuck.

    It looks as though Act III is about to begin:

    Act I – get the dumb clod to attack the Sunnis
    Act II – get the dumb clod to take a Sunni turn
    Act III – get the dumb clod to get the Sunnis (led by KSA) and the Shia (les by IRI) to slaughter each other in a 100 year war (preferably longer) while the villa inexorably expands in the jungle

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    geokat62,

    I am delighted with opportunities to share informational news with one like you.

    Please look at the article below which describes Prince Charles's unique visit to Israel, and afterward, the Royal's having lay blame (unpublicized; 30-years ago) upon "European Jews" as being at the root of extraordinary M.E. catastrophe.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/11/12/541904/Britain-Prince-Charles-Israel-Plaestine

    Who is unafraid of / unintimidated by The (wolfish) Lobby? Apparently we can exclude England's royal family.
    , @chris
    ... and still no one's bothered to explain why "we" should be favoring the 911-Sunnis over the Shiites, other than that they're "our" sons-of-a-bitches; which doesn't make for a particularly good "Freshmeat" song.
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  129. @geokat62

    Prepare for war!
     
    Thanks for sharing, Chuck.

    It looks as though Act III is about to begin:

    Act I – get the dumb clod to attack the Sunnis
    Act II – get the dumb clod to take a Sunni turn
    Act III – get the dumb clod to get the Sunnis (led by KSA) and the Shia (les by IRI) to slaughter each other in a 100 year war (preferably longer) while the villa inexorably expands in the jungle

    geokat62,

    I am delighted with opportunities to share informational news with one like you.

    Please look at the article below which describes Prince Charles’s unique visit to Israel, and afterward, the Royal’s having lay blame (unpublicized; 30-years ago) upon “European Jews” as being at the root of extraordinary M.E. catastrophe.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/11/12/541904/Britain-Prince-Charles-Israel-Plaestine

    Who is unafraid of / unintimidated by The (wolfish) Lobby? Apparently we can exclude England’s royal family.

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    Hey, Chuck. It seems prince Charles was prone to speaking the truth when he thought he was off the record.

    My concern is this: how did they manage to get their hands on a letter he wrote to a personal friend over thirty years ago?

    J. Edgar Hoover would be proud.
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  130. chris says:
    @geokat62

    Prepare for war!
     
    Thanks for sharing, Chuck.

    It looks as though Act III is about to begin:

    Act I – get the dumb clod to attack the Sunnis
    Act II – get the dumb clod to take a Sunni turn
    Act III – get the dumb clod to get the Sunnis (led by KSA) and the Shia (les by IRI) to slaughter each other in a 100 year war (preferably longer) while the villa inexorably expands in the jungle

    … and still no one’s bothered to explain why “we” should be favoring the 911-Sunnis over the Shiites, other than that they’re “our” sons-of-a-bitches; which doesn’t make for a particularly good “Freshmeat” song.

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  131. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    You read wrong. Unless you consider it contentious that I question your use of the term 'resistance' since that is generally associated with Pussy Warriors these days. Well, maybe it's a good choice. Sometimes confusion can be useful. And your Resistance is sympatico with Marwa's. Hmmm, interesting.

    But I didn't ask, What’s happening in “Iran, Saudi Arabia." Simply shared Marwa's definition of 'Resistance." Oh, I see, you mistook the title for a question... Well, it's an excellent interview - very detailed explanation. Then Narwani extrapolates. Good job by Corbett to feature these women.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_LtbtvefM
    What Is Happening In Saudi Arabia? - Marwa Osman on The Corbett Report

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTwXj2uPdF8&t=14s
    The Changing Face of the Middle East - Sharmine Narwani on The Corbett Report

    Excellent analysis. Thx for sharing, Robin.

    Along this same vein, here’s an excerpt of an exchange between reporter Dennis J Bernstein and Rania Masri, Beirut-based Professor, Activist and Environmental Scientist.

    The article, The Saudi Hand in Lebanon’s Crisis, is posted on consortiumnews.com:

    [MORE]

    Rania Masri: It’s important to recognize that when Hezbollah is threatened, all Lebanon is threatened. Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization within the country, Hezbollah is a legitimate political party, a legitimate resistance movement, it is part and parcel of the fabric of this country. What the Saudis are calling for is that the Lebanese relinquish what is left of our sovereignty and to sacrifice our main means of protecting ourselves against Israeli aggression.

    Remember that it was Hezbollah that fought to liberate the south of Lebanon from the 22-year occupation of the Israelis. It was Hezbollah who defeated Israeli in the 2006 war. And because of that, since 2006, Israel has not launched another military aggression against this country, even though they typically do so every three years.

    And for Saudi Arabia to threaten Lebanon that either we disarm and remove Hezbollah as a legitimate political party or we will face Saudi repercussions is basically having us choose between a war with Saudi Arabia or being defenseless and broken. Saudi Arabia has the means to cause assassinations, to launch terrorist campaigns, to wage economic warfare against the country, but they do not have the means to break the back of the Lebanese people.

    Dennis Bernstein: You alluded to the invisible hand of Israel.

    Rania Masri: Benjamin Netanyahu has been gleeful ever since the Saudi statements and he has been promoting it as a further reason for the international community to attack and isolate Iran and to dismantle Hezbollah. We already know that this Saudi regime and the Israeli regime are in cahoots. So it comes as no surprise for the Israeli government to be the first to welcome these Saudi statements.

    The Saudis seem to have forgotten who the real enemy is in the region and to have accepted a false sectarian discourse that the enemy is Iran and the Shias. Well, we all know that the enemy of the region is Zionism, a philosophy built on apartheid that continues to seek expansionist means, that continues to promote ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/11/10/the-saudi-hand-in-lebanons-crisis/

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  132. @ChuckOrloski
    To All Brothers & Sisters,

    Prepare for war! Please look at the important news article below?

    https://news.antiwar.com/2017/11/09/saudis-uae-kuwait-order-citizens-to-leave-lebanon/

    Such tragedy is one major (rotten fruit) result of Washington D.C.'s manifold "corruption."

    Thank you today on bygone Armistice Day.

    thanks for the link, ChuckOrloski.

    But it ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings.

    Michael Horton from Jamestown Fdn published this on American Conservative:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/will-backlash-to-crusading-prince-begin-within-saudi-military-salman-mbs/

    Something Horton said & somethings he didn’t say:
    a. Horton did NOT report that KSA is running out of money, seriously. KSA has been able to sustain a dynastic monarchy since 1932 on its oil wealth: you pay people to remain complaisant & compliant. When the money runs out, and the natives become aware that they’ve been hoodwinked all these years, then the only recourse is force/repression, which is the path MbS is taking.

    However, NYTimes reporting focused on the efforts of KSA to attract foreign investment, including selling Aramco, in which case, NYTimes is puzzled by the prince’s acts alienating major businessmen/billionaires — maybe it was demanded by Israel, who wants the benefits to roll into Israeli coffers not Saudi, or Russian; or to in any way benefit Iran or fail to harm Iran??

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/middleeast/saudi-crown-prince-purge.html

    b. MbS’s alliance w/ Israel may have a financial component: Israel is financing MbS’s activities — like the shoot-down of the helicopter carrying the more-moderate KSA prince who was opposed to bin Salman’s adventures in Yemen.
    Israel has been known to support both sides of a conflict with the goal of having the contenders wipe each other out while Israel emerges with its hands ‘clean,’ its treasury intact if not positively enhanced — after all, USA is undergirding Israel’s investment in Muhammad bin Salman, so if he wins or loses, Israel will not feel the pinch.
    USA will be harmed, — win OR lose, if it remains tied by the Kushner strings to a KSA-Israel alliance.
    (the optimal position for USA would be to form an entente w/ Iran while remaining engaged w/ KSA — to exert control — and to disengage from Israel, the spoiler in the region.

    Horton DID report that there are TWO major military forces in KSA, and bin Salman pissed off one of them:

    “his firing of one prince—the head of the Saudi Arabian National Guard—may have been his fatal mistake. . . .
    Of far more concern to stability within the House of Saud is the removal of Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah from his position as head of the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG). Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah is the son of late King Abdullah. He has commanded the Saudi National Guard since 2010 when he took over the position from his father. The National Guard is Saudi Arabia’s premier fighting force. It rivals the well-equipped but poorly led Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF). Saudi Arabia has what are essentially two distinct armies: the National Guard which is dedicated to protecting the House of Saud and the Royal Saudi Land Forces which acts as a more conventional fighting force. The National Guard has long been the preserve of the Shammar branch of the House of Saud. The late King Abdullah commanded the National Guard for five decades. The National Guard is unique in that it draws on Saudi Arabia’s tribal roots and in doing so acts as a vital link between the royals and the tribal support that they counted on during their rise to power in the 1920s. While the House of Saud’s dependence on tribal support is diminished, it should not be discounted altogether.

    Muhammad bin Salman’s dismissal of Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah from his position could prove to be a serious miscalculation. MbS is already unpopular with large parts of the Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF) for his disastrous and impetuous war in Yemen. The Saudi led war in Yemen has proceeded from failure to failure and has put tremendous pressure on the inadequately trained and led RSLF. The National Guard has largely been spared deployment to Saudi Arabia’s dangerous and porous border with Yemen. This is largely due to Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah’s efforts to thwart MbS’ war in Yemen, which is regarded by many within the House of Saud as reckless, dangerous, and deeply immoral.

    Dissatisfaction with what many of the old guard regard as an upstart prince could easily manifest itself among the tribal leaders that make up the corps of the National Guard where there is considerable loyalty to the Shammar branch of the al-Saud family. The National Guard is a potent force within Saudi Arabia and is but one of many potential pools of discontent. Muhammad bin Salman’s betrayal of decades of rule by consensus and consultation in favor of determined autocracy has undoubtedly made enemies of hundreds, if not thousands, of wealthy and influential princes and businessmen. These princes and businessmen are unlikely to wait for their invitation to the Ritz Carlton. ”

    It would be deeeelightful if it turns out that Bibi overplayed his hand by allying the villa in the jungle w/ Mohammad bin Salman, and the Saudi military and businessmen turn against the tyrant-prince and overthrow his unprecedented bid for dictatorial rule.

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    SolontoCroesus,

    As you may recall, a few months ago, President Vladimir Putin met with Netanyahu and gave the mighty P.M. an ancient book which presumably included subtle warnings about what could happen to the modern powerful Jew tribe when they excessively screw over Persians.

    At any rate, with Sheldon Adelson's President Trump guarding "Bibi's" back, the time seems ideal for Netanyahu to "overplay his hand."

    Thank you... (sigh) truly hope I am overplaying my pessimistic hand!
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  133. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    geokat62,

    I am delighted with opportunities to share informational news with one like you.

    Please look at the article below which describes Prince Charles's unique visit to Israel, and afterward, the Royal's having lay blame (unpublicized; 30-years ago) upon "European Jews" as being at the root of extraordinary M.E. catastrophe.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/11/12/541904/Britain-Prince-Charles-Israel-Plaestine

    Who is unafraid of / unintimidated by The (wolfish) Lobby? Apparently we can exclude England's royal family.

    Hey, Chuck. It seems prince Charles was prone to speaking the truth when he thought he was off the record.

    My concern is this: how did they manage to get their hands on a letter he wrote to a personal friend over thirty years ago?

    J. Edgar Hoover would be proud.

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  134. “J. Edgar Hoover would be proud.”

    Another careful & wise observation, geokat62… thanks.

    Now must hope that I have not (unintentionally) helped spread “Fake News” on the alleged Prince Charles 30 year old letter tons friend?

    After all, as Lyndon Larouche has made a career out of pounding the English crown for managing the planet’s ills, I should have been more mindful especially when it comes to limelight-Prince Charles having fingered “European Jews.”

    At any rate, I actually can not see there being any daylight between the Bank of London, the Crown, and elite Brit Jews.

    Apologize if I happened to facilitate dissemination of Fake News, geokat.

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  135. @SolontoCroesus
    thanks for the link, ChuckOrloski.

    But it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

    Michael Horton from Jamestown Fdn published this on American Conservative:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/will-backlash-to-crusading-prince-begin-within-saudi-military-salman-mbs/

    Something Horton said & somethings he didn't say:
    a. Horton did NOT report that KSA is running out of money, seriously. KSA has been able to sustain a dynastic monarchy since 1932 on its oil wealth: you pay people to remain complaisant & compliant. When the money runs out, and the natives become aware that they've been hoodwinked all these years, then the only recourse is force/repression, which is the path MbS is taking.

    However, NYTimes reporting focused on the efforts of KSA to attract foreign investment, including selling Aramco, in which case, NYTimes is puzzled by the prince's acts alienating major businessmen/billionaires -- maybe it was demanded by Israel, who wants the benefits to roll into Israeli coffers not Saudi, or Russian; or to in any way benefit Iran or fail to harm Iran??
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/middleeast/saudi-crown-prince-purge.html

    b. MbS's alliance w/ Israel may have a financial component: Israel is financing MbS's activities -- like the shoot-down of the helicopter carrying the more-moderate KSA prince who was opposed to bin Salman's adventures in Yemen.
    Israel has been known to support both sides of a conflict with the goal of having the contenders wipe each other out while Israel emerges with its hands 'clean,' its treasury intact if not positively enhanced -- after all, USA is undergirding Israel's investment in Muhammad bin Salman, so if he wins or loses, Israel will not feel the pinch.
    USA will be harmed, -- win OR lose, if it remains tied by the Kushner strings to a KSA-Israel alliance.
    (the optimal position for USA would be to form an entente w/ Iran while remaining engaged w/ KSA -- to exert control -- and to disengage from Israel, the spoiler in the region.


    Horton DID report that there are TWO major military forces in KSA, and bin Salman pissed off one of them:


    "his firing of one prince—the head of the Saudi Arabian National Guard—may have been his fatal mistake. . . .
    Of far more concern to stability within the House of Saud is the removal of Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah from his position as head of the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG). Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah is the son of late King Abdullah. He has commanded the Saudi National Guard since 2010 when he took over the position from his father. The National Guard is Saudi Arabia’s premier fighting force. It rivals the well-equipped but poorly led Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF). Saudi Arabia has what are essentially two distinct armies: the National Guard which is dedicated to protecting the House of Saud and the Royal Saudi Land Forces which acts as a more conventional fighting force. The National Guard has long been the preserve of the Shammar branch of the House of Saud. The late King Abdullah commanded the National Guard for five decades. The National Guard is unique in that it draws on Saudi Arabia’s tribal roots and in doing so acts as a vital link between the royals and the tribal support that they counted on during their rise to power in the 1920s. While the House of Saud’s dependence on tribal support is diminished, it should not be discounted altogether.

    Muhammad bin Salman’s dismissal of Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah from his position could prove to be a serious miscalculation. MbS is already unpopular with large parts of the Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF) for his disastrous and impetuous war in Yemen. The Saudi led war in Yemen has proceeded from failure to failure and has put tremendous pressure on the inadequately trained and led RSLF. The National Guard has largely been spared deployment to Saudi Arabia’s dangerous and porous border with Yemen. This is largely due to Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah’s efforts to thwart MbS’ war in Yemen, which is regarded by many within the House of Saud as reckless, dangerous, and deeply immoral.

    Dissatisfaction with what many of the old guard regard as an upstart prince could easily manifest itself among the tribal leaders that make up the corps of the National Guard where there is considerable loyalty to the Shammar branch of the al-Saud family. The National Guard is a potent force within Saudi Arabia and is but one of many potential pools of discontent. Muhammad bin Salman’s betrayal of decades of rule by consensus and consultation in favor of determined autocracy has undoubtedly made enemies of hundreds, if not thousands, of wealthy and influential princes and businessmen. These princes and businessmen are unlikely to wait for their invitation to the Ritz Carlton. "
     

    It would be deeeelightful if it turns out that Bibi overplayed his hand by allying the villa in the jungle w/ Mohammad bin Salman, and the Saudi military and businessmen turn against the tyrant-prince and overthrow his unprecedented bid for dictatorial rule.

    SolontoCroesus,

    As you may recall, a few months ago, President Vladimir Putin met with Netanyahu and gave the mighty P.M. an ancient book which presumably included subtle warnings about what could happen to the modern powerful Jew tribe when they excessively screw over Persians.

    At any rate, with Sheldon Adelson’s President Trump guarding “Bibi’s” back, the time seems ideal for Netanyahu to “overplay his hand.”

    Thank you… (sigh) truly hope I am overplaying my pessimistic hand!

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  136. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Alden
    You're not a native English speaker are you?

    No ,he is not .
    But he has a lot more information he can enrich your brain with and in the process ,can make you little more informed .
    Have you got anything other than the ability to follow the FOX and CNN ?

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  137. The old saw that, “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely,” seems to apply to DC more aptly every day.

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    Disagree.

    DC -- much of USA and its combination vassals - puppet masters have reverted to animal-like brutality. Their civilization -- the JooDayO - Christian civilization -- engages in human sacrifice that would make the House of Atreus proud.

    We Americans -- Judeo Christians -- seem to be incapable of resisting the call to child sacrifice, to starving whole populations.

    We have devolved to animals.

    This level of brutality has as much capacity to comprehend "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" as an ant has to understand the complexity of a cat.
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  138. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Simply Simon
    The old saw that, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely," seems to apply to DC more aptly every day.

    Disagree.

    DC — much of USA and its combination vassals – puppet masters have reverted to animal-like brutality. Their civilization — the JooDayO – Christian civilization — engages in human sacrifice that would make the House of Atreus proud.

    We Americans — Judeo Christians — seem to be incapable of resisting the call to child sacrifice, to starving whole populations.

    We have devolved to animals.

    This level of brutality has as much capacity to comprehend “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely” as an ant has to understand the complexity of a cat.

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  139. Incitatus says:
    @Alden
    I am severely handicapped, 75 years old and poor. For a very minimal payment each month I get some of the best medical care in the world, the Beverly Hills, Santa Monica Brentwood Ca excellent Drs. I actually don't make the payment. It's picked up by some government agency.

    Like so many left wing snobbish Europeans you are so ignorant you don't think we have medical care in this country except for the rich. You are incredibly naive and credulous. Proof is that you believe there is no medical care in this country.

    Although I am poor, I used to be in the allegedly 3rd best hospital in the country. It is not a great hospital because it is filled with affirmative action foreign non White workers from Drs to technicians.

    I was able to switch to the best hospital in California which is a few miles west of me.

    You should test the American system. Come to Los Angeles on a tourist visa. Let it expire. then present yourself at Providence, UCLA, Cedars, St. John's etc with all your diseases.

    You will get the exact same excellent care that I and my multimillionaire neighbors and relatives get.


    FYI, did you know that your pathetic little brothel of a country has so few advanced medical machines that it has contracts with hospitals in our state of Texas to care for dutch patients? Your pathetic little brothel of a country's National Health system flies hundreds of patients to Texas hospitals and clinics to be diagnosed on our most advanced medical technology.

    I only post about things I have experienced and know about. You just mouth off your leftist propaganda nonsense our our national health system.


    The reason we don't have a federal national health system is that we don't need one. Each state and county has its own free health system for the indigent. Included in those indigent are millions of illegal aliens every year. Given that many USA counties are the size of France we cover everyone with our state and county health systems.

    We have counties and even cities that are larger than some European counties including your pathetic little brothel.

    Unlike me, you post ignorant nonsense leftist propagandists have poured into your empty vessel of a brain.

    You have posted a lot of totally ignorant and absolutely not true things on UNZ. But your post that only the very rich have medical care in this country is the post ignorant and uniformed of all.

    You should be banned for your totally, absolutely ignorant uniformed posting.

    I just picked up 2 prescriptions total cost to me, a crippled poor old lady was $3.21, about 2 English pounds or 4 Euros.

    The total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was..........$0.00.

    Total cost to me for the old age government health insurance and supplemental health insurance is $0.00 per month.

    I have an English brother in law who goes back home about every 2 years. All his friends and family are the standard European idiot intellectuals who know nothing about America but for the liberal propaganda poured into their empty vessel brains.

    He just loves refuting their idiocy like your ignorant nonsense that only the very very rich can afford medical care in this country. Or that "there is no public transportation in New York City" "have you ever been to New York City?" "No" "Then how do you know there is no public transit in NYC"
    " I've been told"

    If you came here as an indigent visa overstayer illegal alien, you would get the same excellent medical care that I and all the Americans who paid into the system all our lives get.

    The real problem with our medical system is that we care for millions of foreigners every year who don't pay anything at all for the care. For instance, China uses America as a health and retirement system since it doesn't have much of a pension system. I guess under communism most people died early.

    But every single week day, immigrant welfare societies bring Chinese who arrived just a few days beofre into the old age social security office and sign them up for full medical care and an old age pension for those who never worked. That pension for those who never worked is SSI as opposed to SSA for those who worked and contributed to the pension system. And a lot of those Chinese are not even 65 which is the age to qualify for the pension. They are in their 50's but equipped with fraudulent documents claiming they are 65 which gets them the pension.

    How can you continually post such total ignorance about America and not be ashamed? Haven't your heard of google and wikepedia?

    You are have an empty vessel of a brain that liberal propaganda central poured ignorant, false, lying, fraudulent, completely, quite, totally wrong information into.

    If you posted that the Netherlands is north of France, west of Germany and east of Britain I wouldn't believe you because so ignorant and untrue are most of your comments and observations.

    And what brought on your ignorant comment about health care? The article is about American foreign affairs and government, not health care. But you just had to insert your totally off topic snarky slimey little observation. Look up the word germane.

    What next, in all of America there is no public transit, neither trains nor buses, nor subways? Or America has no public libraries and Americans don't read? All Americans are bible thumper fundamentalist Christians who believe the world was created in 6 days 6 thousand years ago? That blacks are burnt at the stake and lynched in city hall plaza as weekend recreation?

    A lot of your comments and observations are what Moscow sent to the useful idiot journalists, college professors and idiot intellectuals all during the cold war. And you are one of the empty vessels into which the propaganda was pumped.


    You should post about what you know and American health care is something about which you know nothing.

    “For a very minimal payment each month I get some of the best medical care in the world…I actually don’t make the payment. It’s picked up by some government agency…Total cost to me for the old age government health insurance and supplemental health insurance is $0.00 per month.”

    Who picks up the bill? What’s their cost? Why do Americans pay 2-3 times other nations per capita? “Best medical care”? Why is American care rated 37th in the world?

    “I just picked up 2 prescriptions total cost to me, a crippled poor old lady was $3.21…”

    What was the total cost? Who paid? Why do we pay 3 times what other countries pay for drugs?

    “The reason we don’t have a federal national health system is that we don’t need one. Each state and county has its own free health system for the indigent…”

    Free? Who picks up the bill? What’s the cost? Are you on Medicare/Medicaid: national systems?

    “Given that many USA counties are the size of France we cover everyone with our state and county health systems…”

    The largest US county is San Bernardino (CA) at 20,105 sq. miles. France is 248,573 sq. miles. Hint: next time use Netherlands (16,040 sq. miles).

    “The total cost to me for reconstruction of a pelvis smashed into 8 major and 21 lesser fractures, 47 other fractures from shoulder to ankle, broken forearm, total reconstruction of both femurs (thigh bones) 4 hip replacements, 3 knee replacements, 3 months in what is supposedly the 3rd best hospital in the country and 4 months in a nursing home was…$0.00.”

    Congratulations. A bionic miracle. Ever look at the bills? What was the cost? Who paid? Do you care?

    91 days in hospital $450,000 (double occupancy, no procedures or drugs). 122 days in a nursing home $52,000 (double occupancy, no procedures or drugs). Four hip replacements $160,000. Three knee replacements $149,000.

    $811,000! No problem if you don’t pay a dime – why care? The cost in higher rated countries? $186,000±. 23% US cost.

    We spend $3.2 trillion per year on Health Care. $10,000+ per capita, and 27 million still lack insurance. Japan spends $4,150 per capita, covers everyone, and lives 4.4 years longer. Canada pays $4,608 per capita, covers everyone, and lives 3 years longer. 250,000 Americans die of medical errors every year. Another 99,000 from infections caught in hospitals. The US ties Serbia in infant mortality (5.8 deaths/1000 births). The US ties Lebanon in maternal mortality (14 deaths/100k births). US end of life care easily burns through $250,000/yr. QED two thirds of nursing home patients are paupers on Medicaid.

    “The real problem with our medical system is that we care for millions of foreigners every year who don’t pay anything at all for the care.”

    At most 85,000 foreigners come to the US for medical care each year. 750,000 Americans travel to other countries for treatment. Wonder why?

    Hate freeloading indigents, foreigners and illegal aliens, yet proud to pay the same for your care? Whine about liberals, but act like a model socialist? What gives?

    The real problem with our medical system is outrageous, unsustainable cost for mediocre quality. Cause? Consumers who don’t care about expense, don’t look at the bill, and pass it to future generations.

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  140. Flynn and Woolsey they? Exactly?
    The article registered, the purpose of discrediting two people.
    The author should know better than anyone that the whole American system is riddled with corruption. Officials of corporations become civil servants, civil servants are lobbying the interests of corporations, after retirement they go to work in lucrative positions in corporations.
    All media belong to oligarchs, journalists just say what they are allowed or paid.
    The oligarchs control the US, and they control the system through money and put forward their candidates.
    The author will keep quiet about it, repeating “Flynn and Woolsey Flynn and Woolsey Flynn and Woolsey”.

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