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Newly elected presidents are frequently afforded what is described as a “honeymoon period” in which the criticism of their campaign positions diminishes sharply as the public and media stand by to see what actually will develop as an administration takes shape. The honeymoon can sometimes extend well into the post-inauguration time frame, as it did with President Barack Obama, and it provides for a breathing space during which the new arrivals in the White House can set an agenda and learn how the government actually works.

Unfortunately, President-elect Donald Trump will apparently not enjoy such a courtesy, at least as far as the media is concerned. The mainstream media was unrelentingly hostile to Trump both during the Republican primaries and the presidential campaign itself. The assertions emanating from media apologists contending that Trump actually benefitted from the massive press coverage that he did receive ignores the fact that the reporting was almost always negative. If Trump benefited at all it was only because the public, seeing the outpouring of sheer hatred from a media that it already distrusted, came to believe that someone so vilified by a source so questionable must actually represent something worth supporting.

The rage of the media towards Trump continues unabated. The Washington Post, a scurrilous rag emanating out of the District of Columbia that claims to be a national “newspaper of record,” has a neocon editorial page that has never seen a war that it dislikes coupled with domestic and local reporting that is multicultural, inclusive and diverse to a fault. Its globalist agenda driven hacks seamlessly churn out news stories that are more editorials for a certain world view than they are reporting of actual events. It is “invade the world-invite the world” at its finest and reminds one of Hillary Clinton at her most effusive.

The Post’s November 16th print edition was remarkable even by the paper’s lax journalistic standards, suggesting that it would be well served by renaming itself The Anti-Trump. Here are the stories featured in the paper on that day either about Trump himself, his transition team, or about policies that Trump is believed to be promoting:

  • Lead headline, “Key figures purged from Trump team.”
  • Lead Editorial” “Mr. Putin’s green light for atrocities: Mr. Obama will not act in Syria to stop Russia or the Assad regime, and Mr. Trump seems indifferent at best”
  • Second Editorial” “Show us your papers Mr. Trump”
  • Article “How Bannon coaxed Trump in alt-right shift”
  • Article “A rallying cry for Democrats: Resist”
  • Article “Police chief: Los Angeles won’t aid Trump deportation efforts”
  • Article “Think tank highlights Russian threat”
  • Article “Anti-Defamation League decries Bannon’s ascent”
  • Article “Parents of transgender children speak out in an effort to empower others”
  • Article “Elite schools urged to aid undocumented students”
  • Article “In rejecting the blind trust tradition, Trump follows another model: Ukraine”
  • Article “In Middle east, a new uncertainty after Obama”
  • Article “Europeans urge Trump to be cautious on Putin”
  • Article “Obama warns of ‘crude sort of nationalism’”
  • Article “Why Mexico has a lot to lose in a Trump trade war”
  • Article “Trump’s election does not bode well for Consumer Financial Protection Bureau”
  • Article “The faulty logic behind Trump’s plan to freeze federal hiring”
  • Article “Ginsburg utters: ‘President Trump’: Justice who had voiced distaste for Republican bites her tongue”
  • Article “Election outcome protested in District”
  • Opinion “For my dad and uncle, Trump is no step forward: the election of Obama gave them hope. Now they have Trump”
  • Article “’Sanctuaries’ stand firm amid threat”
  • Article “Council floats plan to cut back on Trump’s parade”
  • Op-ed “America’s Bannon litmus test”
  • Op-ed “Trump must disavow the alt-right”
  • Op-ed “With Russia, deterrence before détente”
  • Op-ed “The Fed clash to come?”
  • Letter to editor: In an attack on those who voted for Trump, “When you knowingly put a racist person with seemingly fascist tendencies in the White House, it can give the impression that you sympathize.”
  • Letter to editor: “…with the selection of Mr. Ebell [a critic of climate change as EPA transition team head] that promise [to drain the Washington swamp] appears to have been a lie. Rather than draining the swamp, the president-elect is already swimming in it.”
  • Metro section review of the Capitol dome restoration: “Revived symbol for worried nation”
  • Style section “Questions of faith: She had always believed hers was a country that, ultimately, chose good. What now?”
  • Style section “Never say #Never? These conservatives said they couldn’t tolerate Trump. Then he won”
  • Style section “Sykes says she got the last laugh on hecklers [a comedian who was booed in Boston when she made a series of jokes about Trump]”

This constitutes just one day’s coverage in only one paper of the World of Trump. I am pleased to report that there were no negative stories about Donald in either the Sports or Food sections, though I might have missed them, and I later noted that there were a couple of more negative pieces in the online version of the paper. The New York Times online on the same day was not so vitriolic, and a bit more restrained in its language, but it had seven featured articles, one editorial and four op-eds all critical of Trump, his policies, or his transition process. One op-ed was entitled “Bullying in the age of Trump.”

My point here is that, yes, I get it, Trump and his doings are currently hot items for the media, but this goes well beyond “reporting the news.” It is more like creating the story. There has been an avalanche of articles, commentary and assorted quasi-reportorial innuendo all depicting Trump, those around him and his prospective policies in as critical a fashion as possible. It appears that no end is in sight and even the most skeptical reader will eventually be somewhat persuaded by the sheer volume of negativity regarding Trump as much of it will be in his or her face as they sip their morning coffee. If one adds in similar coverage deriving from television sources like CNN and MSNBC as well as agitprop demonstrations in the streets allegedly being funded by George Soros, the conclusion that Donald Trump will begin his presidency with a huge credibility deficit is inescapable.

Many of us have longed for a president who will actually shake up the smug oligarchy that runs the New York-Washington bankster-crooked politician axis. Trump may or may not be that man but he at least deserves a chance to prove himself, particularly if he is genuinely interested in détente with Russia and is unwilling to play the role of the world’s policeman. No matter what the oligarchs think, the genie is truly out of the bottle. Few among the flyover public and the “deplorables” any longer trust what goes on in Washington and that sentiment is, if anything, growing. Even if the media and the Establishment succeed in destroying Trump, and they are on course to do so, there will be another Trump in 2020. And he or she would be even angrier and might be able to tap into an increased level of popular rage that could make the current president-elect and his merry band seem the soul of moderation. It is not necessarily something to hope for.

 
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  1. The NYT and Wapo have definitely jumped the shark. Why, I just looked, and they’re not reporting that meeting between Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and President-elect Trump, probably because it’s not news that fits … their narrative of the out of control war monger alarmism.

    Gabbard, you see, has views about Syria and the useless wars, more in line with Trump’s campaign skepticism.

    In any case, Trump’s using social media to go over the heads of the talking heads, and just released a YouTube video outlining his agenda, unfiltered by elite media handwringing.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Perhaps that's the key, Fran. Did you read Ron Unz' article on discrediting the media? Trump is doing it big time, bless him. He had an 'off the record' meeting today with heads of the 5 biggest news outlets or networks, or whatever. To be a fly on the wall!

    Here's Tulsi's post-meeting statement -
    http://gabbard.house.gov/index.php/press-releases/655-gabbard-statement-on-meeting-with-president-elect-donald-trump

    “President-elect Trump and I had a frank and positive conversation in which we discussed a variety of foreign policy issues in depth. I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country, and the world."
    , @NoseytheDuke
    It would be sheer genius should Trump utilise people such as Gabbard who agree with him on certain issues.

    It's about time people stop funding these lying media outlets too. I haven't purchased a newspaper in almost a decade, I read them but will do without before I pay for one ever again.
    , @Kurt van Ghoye
    Not sure that going over their heads will be enough. How about, after they refuse the olive branch extended in good faith, he cuts them off at the knees?
    , @utu
    And BBC just reported that weapons found at liberated from ISIS areas are weapons bought from Eastern European suppliers by the US government!

    I wish there were more Congressmen with the views on Syria, etc. like Tulsi Gabbard.
    , @jack ryan
    Do you have a link to Trump's YouTube video outlining his agenda?

    Thanks
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  2. hating on trump is 100% a-ok imo. wish the media stays truthful while doing it. lets see how many promises he will keep.

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    • Replies: @Rehmat
    Just count the warmongering Jews and Zionist Christians in Trump Team to find out what terrible future American and world would face under Trump administration.

    Donald Trump is 101% JUDAS GOAT - and the Zionist mainstream media is trying to hide that fact from the public by demonizing him.

    On November 18, Jewish-controlled mainstream media reported that president-elect Donald Trump has appointed retired US Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn as his senior national security adviser. He most probably would be replacing Barack Obama’s senior national security adviser Dr. Susan Rice. Both Flynn and Rice are ‘Israel-loving’ Zionist Christians.

    Michael T. Flynn, like Donald Trump, is anti-Muslim, and pro-Russia.

    In July 2016, in an interview at Fox News’ The Kelly File, commenting on Nice and Munich terrorist attacks Flynn demanded that Kings of Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei should condemn their ‘radical Islamic ideology’.

    I don’t expect Flynn to call upon Pope Francis, Archbishop Justin Welby and Chief Rabbi Mirvis to condemn their ‘radical Judeo-Christian ideology’ even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians.

    Like Benjamin Netanyahu, Flynn too suffers from severe attack of Islamophobia by suggesting he may be OK with killing the families of suspected terrorists and tweeting, “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.”

    FBI reported in 2006 that Muslim extremists were involved in 6% of anti-US terrorist events as compared to 7% by Jew fanatics and the rest by Christians, Communists and others.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/19/meet-trump-israel-loving-national-security-adviser/
    , @Neuromancer
    It's a bit hard to "stay truthful" reporting on someone you hate, wouldn't you agree?
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  3. RobinG says:
    @Fran Macadam
    The NYT and Wapo have definitely jumped the shark. Why, I just looked, and they're not reporting that meeting between Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and President-elect Trump, probably because it's not news that fits ... their narrative of the out of control war monger alarmism.

    Gabbard, you see, has views about Syria and the useless wars, more in line with Trump's campaign skepticism.

    In any case, Trump's using social media to go over the heads of the talking heads, and just released a YouTube video outlining his agenda, unfiltered by elite media handwringing.

    Perhaps that’s the key, Fran. Did you read Ron Unz’ article on discrediting the media? Trump is doing it big time, bless him. He had an ‘off the record’ meeting today with heads of the 5 biggest news outlets or networks, or whatever. To be a fly on the wall!

    Here’s Tulsi’s post-meeting statement -

    http://gabbard.house.gov/index.php/press-releases/655-gabbard-statement-on-meeting-with-president-elect-donald-trump

    “President-elect Trump and I had a frank and positive conversation in which we discussed a variety of foreign policy issues in depth. I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country, and the world.”

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  4. @Fran Macadam
    The NYT and Wapo have definitely jumped the shark. Why, I just looked, and they're not reporting that meeting between Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and President-elect Trump, probably because it's not news that fits ... their narrative of the out of control war monger alarmism.

    Gabbard, you see, has views about Syria and the useless wars, more in line with Trump's campaign skepticism.

    In any case, Trump's using social media to go over the heads of the talking heads, and just released a YouTube video outlining his agenda, unfiltered by elite media handwringing.

    It would be sheer genius should Trump utilise people such as Gabbard who agree with him on certain issues.

    It’s about time people stop funding these lying media outlets too. I haven’t purchased a newspaper in almost a decade, I read them but will do without before I pay for one ever again.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    FYI, the MSM need your eyes much more than they need your pocket change, because advertising brings to the newspaper companies usually upwards of 95% of the revenue, whilst the displayed price is more to get you to respect what you just spent token money on.

    Therefore, touch MSM only if they cannot claim advertising revenue based on you, in other words never click online, never buy paper copy.
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  5. epebble says:

    Trump is hitting back. Looks like it is mutually assured destruction between media and Trump.

    http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

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  6. RobinG says:

    Gotta love this man!

    “The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

    “Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

    http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

    And here it is… Ta Da !!
    Note the lifetime ban on lobbying for a foreign government. The only question, exactly what is an “executive official”… does that include Senators?

    A Message from President Elect Donald J Trump

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    “Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.
     
    Was a Hebrew translator there?

    JUST ASKING!

    Peace --- Art
    , @geokat62

    Note the lifetime ban on lobbying for a foreign government. The only question, exactly what is an “executive official”… does that include Senators?
     
    The more pertinent question for me is exactly what is "lobbying for a foreign government" ... does it include lobbies that are not registered under FARA? If so, this ban will have zero impact on the one lobby that has high-jacked US foreign policy - i.e.., AIPAC and other members of The Lobby.
    , @Kirby
    Hallelujah, during 20 years of senior level military and civilian federal employment I have seen the rot caused by the sell outs who lobby, or hope to, after they leave government "service ."
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  7. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    This is why Trump’s non-presidential style is necessary.

    The media are out to fight him no matter what he does. It is gratuitous.

    There is no way Trump can play nice when the media are like dogs in a bear-baiting blood-sport.

    He will have to fight this battle like Connery in THE UNTOUCHABLES.

    It’s good that he blew up at the media and gave them a good thrashing. What had to be said had to be said.

    But having done that, he should change his tone and should be trollish, sarcastic, provocative, mocking, derisive, and subversive with the media. And have fun doing it. It will make for good theater.

    Trump needs to learn from Putin. The GLOB media have been smearing him with everything they got, but he kept a cool head, tough style, and assertive attitude.

    As during the campaign, Trump should directly communicate with the people.

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  8. Ramona says:

    But it’s fun.

    Popcorn.

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  9. gmat says:

    They are not in the business of “reporting the news” and have not been for quite a while now. They are in the business of selling audiences to advertisers.

    Think of a fishing boat that uses a certain bait to attract a certain species of fish, which can then be harvested and sold to a fish processor.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Following their business interests would dictate at least a little bit of moderation. They lose large amounts of money pushing the left wing line. Then they sell off a large share (NYT) or the whole paper (WAPO) to another owner, or go bankrupt (Chicago Sun-Times) or spin off some properties and sell others (Chicago Tribune.) BTW, one property the Tribune sold was the Chicago Cubs.
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  10. @Fran Macadam
    The NYT and Wapo have definitely jumped the shark. Why, I just looked, and they're not reporting that meeting between Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and President-elect Trump, probably because it's not news that fits ... their narrative of the out of control war monger alarmism.

    Gabbard, you see, has views about Syria and the useless wars, more in line with Trump's campaign skepticism.

    In any case, Trump's using social media to go over the heads of the talking heads, and just released a YouTube video outlining his agenda, unfiltered by elite media handwringing.

    Not sure that going over their heads will be enough. How about, after they refuse the olive branch extended in good faith, he cuts them off at the knees?

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  11. utu says:
    @Fran Macadam
    The NYT and Wapo have definitely jumped the shark. Why, I just looked, and they're not reporting that meeting between Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and President-elect Trump, probably because it's not news that fits ... their narrative of the out of control war monger alarmism.

    Gabbard, you see, has views about Syria and the useless wars, more in line with Trump's campaign skepticism.

    In any case, Trump's using social media to go over the heads of the talking heads, and just released a YouTube video outlining his agenda, unfiltered by elite media handwringing.

    And BBC just reported that weapons found at liberated from ISIS areas are weapons bought from Eastern European suppliers by the US government!

    I wish there were more Congressmen with the views on Syria, etc. like Tulsi Gabbard.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    Then why is she still a Democrat? I think she is a military vet, and there is nothing stranger than military people who vote democrat.

    I can just imagine the flack that crazy Joe's son recieved from his ( republican) officer comrades regarding his father and his own political standpoint.

    There is something extermely fishy about her, and I would not trust her period.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
    , @RobinG
    Do you have a link to that bbc report? Weapons found in Iraq? thanks, utu.
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  12. Montefrío says: • Website

    Perhaps Mr. T and his wealthy partisans would do well to fund a variety of media groups across the spectrum of content style from tabloid to broadsheet, so to speak. Media conglomerates need competition, or better yet deconstruction. Over-centralization is the curse of modern times.

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    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    You've hit the nail on the head. Mr Trump's views on economic nationalism, immigration and futile American wars are shared by a majority of white Americans. Print Media, Radio and TV stations advocating these views - whilst reporting the actual news in an honest manner - would be very successful. There is a massive gap in the market waiting to be filled by enterprising individuals and groups.
    , @dahoit
    Wealthy partisans?Holy moly,do you got it wrong,as it was the Hell Bitch who represented the wealthy zionists who stole all the money from our dead eyes.
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  13. Boris N says:

    I say a platitude: Welcome to 1984.

    However, I doubt if the MSM have ever been any different. It rather seems they remain the same, but people have just started to understand the true nature of the media. Only thanks to the internet, probably. Otherwise they would never know. This is the reason why people also have had an illusion the media were better in the past: they simply did not have any alternative to compare back then.

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    I have a simple rule for the consumption of MSM (if one really must stoop as low): just turn everything the MSM say or show to its opposite – and you will be close to the truth, if they say it is black then it is white, if they say it is white then it is black, who they attack is a good guy, who they promote is worthless trash and so on. This rule really works.

    Now I would not want them to invalidate Kiza's MSM rule by turning honest and truthful overnight, would I?

    You are absolutely right that the Internet spelled the end of the monopoly on the news, which is why the MSM are so desperate to censor the so called "fake news" competitors. It appears that the Western MSM, an ugly hybrid of the Government propaganda and a marginally profitable business, have owners who can declare the competition’s products to be the low quality “fakes” and get the main gate-keepers, that is the supermarkets such as Facebook, Google and Twitter, to remove those products from their shelves? How many businesses in this World would dream of being given the privilege of deciding on the true quality of the competitors’ products? Obviously, the Western MSM businesses are as privileged (because the MSM owners also own the governments). Is this not a clear case of anti-competitive behavior and collusion of dominant market players?

    , @alexander
    You make a thoughtful point, Boris.

    I have contemplated the exact same issue about the M.S.M. having "always" engaged in dubious and fraudulent reportage. Only now, we (the American people) have finally woken up to it.

    I don't think its exactly true that it "always" was the case.

    Not at this level, anyway.

    We have had (over the past two decades) an enormous consolidation of "faux-narrative reporting", from our M.S.M., The likes of which we have never seen before in history.

    EVERY SINGLE newspaper and network of record was wholly complicit in "lying us into the Iraq fiasco".

    Every single one.

    And lets face it, they screwed the pooch.... big time.

    There is a question of the "price tag" too, Boris....which terrifies the M.S.M. right down to its marrow.

    Why ?

    Because if they were complicit in "defrauding" us into war, why shouldn't THEY be responsible for PAYING FOR IT ?

    Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for the tens of trillions of dollars lost to our balance sheet, when it was the media's DECEIT that was responsible ?

    Why should American citizens be on the hook for even ONE PENNY ?

    Why should we ?

    I am in my mid fifties,Boris, I have visited or vacationed in over 20 states throughout the US. I cannot recall meeting one American, EVER, who likes to be defrauded out of his money ?

    Have you ?

    What Americans want,....... is their money....BACK.

    And 20 trillion dollars is a lot of money !

    And we would all be crazy happy if our President-elect showed some "cojones", to lock these frauds up, and claw back as much of our pilfered trillions as he possibly can.

    This is the REAL ISSUE at the stake of the TRUMP PRESIDENCY.

    Will he hold them to account ?

    And , I hate to say it, but I am on board in expanding "Guantanamo Bay", if its done so specifically to provide a permanent residency to all these "defrauders".

    For THEM, I will make the exception.

    What a terrible, terrible thing to do.
    , @Tony Lawless
    If you want to get a handle on how bad or how strange the media was back then, you could do worse than consulting the Library of Congress newspapers archive, which is available online, up to 1922. It's a pity that the archive does not contain anything more recent. But it is a surreal experience, especially if you approach it with particular questions in mind, such as: "How did the newspapers cover the First World War?" "What financial scandals dominated the headlines?" "What were the contemporary reactions to the Russian Revolution?" and so on.
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  14. There’s only one thing vaguely troubling about this essay, and that is its faint air of surprise.

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  15. It won’t be long before they deem Richard Nixon rehabilitated just so they have someone other than Hitler to compare Trump to.

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  16. The MSM created Donald Trump. He sold papers so we had a solid year of one word TRUMP. I could have run for president for the pocket change it cost The Donald to run. Then he won…horrors. What have we done? Well, lets sell more papers TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, ad nauseam.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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    • Replies: @dahoit
    Misdirection,as all the coverage of Trump was negative,especially once he uttered the Pal-Izzie neutrality speech.
    He'll give the Israelis W Jerusalem if they give the Palestinians E Jerusalem?
    An offer they can't refuse?(either of them?)
    , @Robert Magill
    All publicity is good publicity and free is best. Ask Donald trump.
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  17. Kiza says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    It would be sheer genius should Trump utilise people such as Gabbard who agree with him on certain issues.

    It's about time people stop funding these lying media outlets too. I haven't purchased a newspaper in almost a decade, I read them but will do without before I pay for one ever again.

    FYI, the MSM need your eyes much more than they need your pocket change, because advertising brings to the newspaper companies usually upwards of 95% of the revenue, whilst the displayed price is more to get you to respect what you just spent token money on.

    Therefore, touch MSM only if they cannot claim advertising revenue based on you, in other words never click online, never buy paper copy.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I agree, I often click on sites such as The Guardian (once a respectable rag) but leave without clicking on any stories. The Achilles Heel is of course the advertisers. Sending emails to advertisers expressing disgust at their support of unethical media is probably more effective, especially done in large numbers in collaboration with social media.
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  18. Hibernian says:
    @gmat
    They are not in the business of "reporting the news" and have not been for quite a while now. They are in the business of selling audiences to advertisers.

    Think of a fishing boat that uses a certain bait to attract a certain species of fish, which can then be harvested and sold to a fish processor.

    Following their business interests would dictate at least a little bit of moderation. They lose large amounts of money pushing the left wing line. Then they sell off a large share (NYT) or the whole paper (WAPO) to another owner, or go bankrupt (Chicago Sun-Times) or spin off some properties and sell others (Chicago Tribune.) BTW, one property the Tribune sold was the Chicago Cubs.

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  19. Kiza says:
    @Boris N
    I say a platitude: Welcome to 1984.

    However, I doubt if the MSM have ever been any different. It rather seems they remain the same, but people have just started to understand the true nature of the media. Only thanks to the internet, probably. Otherwise they would never know. This is the reason why people also have had an illusion the media were better in the past: they simply did not have any alternative to compare back then.

    I have a simple rule for the consumption of MSM (if one really must stoop as low): just turn everything the MSM say or show to its opposite – and you will be close to the truth, if they say it is black then it is white, if they say it is white then it is black, who they attack is a good guy, who they promote is worthless trash and so on. This rule really works.

    Now I would not want them to invalidate Kiza’s MSM rule by turning honest and truthful overnight, would I?

    You are absolutely right that the Internet spelled the end of the monopoly on the news, which is why the MSM are so desperate to censor the so called “fake news” competitors. It appears that the Western MSM, an ugly hybrid of the Government propaganda and a marginally profitable business, have owners who can declare the competition’s products to be the low quality “fakes” and get the main gate-keepers, that is the supermarkets such as Facebook, Google and Twitter, to remove those products from their shelves? How many businesses in this World would dream of being given the privilege of deciding on the true quality of the competitors’ products? Obviously, the Western MSM businesses are as privileged (because the MSM owners also own the governments). Is this not a clear case of anti-competitive behavior and collusion of dominant market players?

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    @kiza
    Agree with every word you wrote.
    In conversation, this is what I tell close aquaintances.
    , @TheBoom

    How many businesses in this World would dream of being given the privilege of deciding on the true quality of the competitors’ products?
     
    Spot on. In any other context, the idea that a company should the trusted source of which of its competitors should be able to compete would be laughable. In business, companies try to achieve this by influencing the press, analysts and regulators but they can't do it in an official capacity as gatekeepers. The MSM feel threatened financially and politically by the upstarts. That can't be allowed to continue.
    , @dahoit
    When the news comes on now,I look for a commercial,it's that bad.
    The MSM created Trump?;To paraphrase an old war movie,"was the news treatment negative or a positive?""Strictly negative".
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  20. @utu
    And BBC just reported that weapons found at liberated from ISIS areas are weapons bought from Eastern European suppliers by the US government!

    I wish there were more Congressmen with the views on Syria, etc. like Tulsi Gabbard.

    Then why is she still a Democrat? I think she is a military vet, and there is nothing stranger than military people who vote democrat.

    I can just imagine the flack that crazy Joe’s son recieved from his ( republican) officer comrades regarding his father and his own political standpoint.

    There is something extermely fishy about her, and I would not trust her period.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    Her father, also a democrat, is staunchly against the homosexual agenda. I believe they tried to kick him out of the party.
    , @SimpleTech
    There is nothing stranger than a Mensa society member who has to tell everyone that they are....
    , @Fran Macadam
    I think that the "Washington Consensus" is just that - widely shared across the duopoly party lines. Other than Trump or Sanders (Paul seemed to fall listlessly into line), there was little voiced opposition to the status quo, and none among the elites' preferred contenders of either party. Heads they win, tails we lose, was the donorist plan: Hillary versus Jeb!

    That said, trust no politician.

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  21. In Mao’s China there were loudspeakers in many public spaces that constantly blasted the Communist Party line to everyone within earshot.

    Today in post-election, Trump America, the Left is blasting a barrage of anti-Trump propaganda 24/7 in all media. It owns most media, it’s loudspeakers.

    This is the “megaphone” identified by Steve Sailer

    In China there also were orchestrated demonstrations during Mao’s Cultural Revolution. Dissenters were publicly persecuted by mobs.

    In today’s post-election America, mobs of protesters (rioters) are organized by the Left. Some of them beat up people they think support our new president. (Some have been seen doing this black-on-white, whiteness becoming a racial cue now for them.)

    This is the mob rule of the Left that accompanies the megaphone.

    By the way, The Left now comprises not only the obvious, but also the Powers That Be, including the fake “conservatism” of the neocons and the outsourcers (“free” traders and globalists) — the established, outgoing Republican party. Combined, the various parts of this new “alt-left” make a loud noise.

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  22. Rehmat says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    hating on trump is 100% a-ok imo. wish the media stays truthful while doing it. lets see how many promises he will keep.

    Just count the warmongering Jews and Zionist Christians in Trump Team to find out what terrible future American and world would face under Trump administration.

    Donald Trump is 101% JUDAS GOAT – and the Zionist mainstream media is trying to hide that fact from the public by demonizing him.

    On November 18, Jewish-controlled mainstream media reported that president-elect Donald Trump has appointed retired US Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn as his senior national security adviser. He most probably would be replacing Barack Obama’s senior national security adviser Dr. Susan Rice. Both Flynn and Rice are ‘Israel-loving’ Zionist Christians.

    Michael T. Flynn, like Donald Trump, is anti-Muslim, and pro-Russia.

    In July 2016, in an interview at Fox News’ The Kelly File, commenting on Nice and Munich terrorist attacks Flynn demanded that Kings of Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei should condemn their ‘radical Islamic ideology’.

    I don’t expect Flynn to call upon Pope Francis, Archbishop Justin Welby and Chief Rabbi Mirvis to condemn their ‘radical Judeo-Christian ideology’ even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians.

    Like Benjamin Netanyahu, Flynn too suffers from severe attack of Islamophobia by suggesting he may be OK with killing the families of suspected terrorists and tweeting, “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.”

    FBI reported in 2006 that Muslim extremists were involved in 6% of anti-US terrorist events as compared to 7% by Jew fanatics and the rest by Christians, Communists and others.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/19/meet-trump-israel-loving-national-security-adviser/

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    FBI reported in 2006 that Muslim extremists were involved in 6% of anti-US terrorist events as compared to 7% by Jew fanatics and the rest by Christians, Communists and others.
     

    But what about the claim that Right-wing extremists kill more Americans than Muslim terrorists? These statements at least proclaim to be based on hard collections of data.

    Most reasonable readers have already made two perfectly reasonable observations against this claim: first, if it’s true that you’re only 7 times more likely to be killed by a Right-wing extremist than by a Muslim terrorist, doesn’t that still mean any given Muslim is more likely to kill you than any given “Right-winger” because there are much more than 7 times more conservatives than Muslims in the American population? Second, isn’t it begging the question just a little bit if we start collecting this data on 9/12/2001 solely to leave the 9/11 attacks out of consideration, as if the fact that 9/11 was an outlier makes it meaningless [...]

    In any case, once we factor in foiled plots (which are 3.8 times more often Islamic than Right-wing), and we correct for the population rate (where white conservatives are represented in the population at a rate 30.8 times higher than Muslims of any race), and we leave out the dishonest inclusion of non-terrorist attacks or non-“conservative” terrorists,[32] the statistic we end up with is that the 0.9% of the population that is Muslim is committing 1.8 times as many terror attacks as the 30% of the population that is white and conservative. If we increased that 0.9% of the population to 30%—replacing the white conservative population with Muslims—then (multiplying (30/0.9) by 1.8) this means they would commit 60 times as many terror attacks as the white conservative population currently does.

    When the mainstream media can manage to turn “You Are More Than 60 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Muslim Terrorist Than By Right-Wing Extremists” into “You Are More Than 7 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Right-Wing Extremist Than By Muslim Terrorists”—and even get away with adding the byline that “The face of terrorism in the United States is white!”—the perception of anti–white bias in the American media is no longer a paranoid fantasy; it’s fact. This is why we need alternative media. This is why outlets like Counter Currents are invaluable, and will only become more necessary as time goes on and these trends continue their acceleration.
     

    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/05/a-study-in-anti-white-media-lies/

    I just recently wrote a comment on why, I believe, Muslims have such a high propensity to engage in terrorism:


    I have a hypothesis that the combination of Petro-Islam wealth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Islam) + cousin marriage is the true cause of Islamic terrorism. In the following excerpts below it will explain how affluence has led to a higher frequency of cousin marriages in the Arabic world, which in turn increases the risk of certain mental disorders that are prevalent among (Islamic) terrorists. [...]

    Conclusion The substantial risk observed in the present study reveals that consanguinity is an important risk factor for schizophrenia in Qatar. [...]

    There are only three disorders that have a substantially higher prevalence in the lone-actor population (see Figure 2), the most noteworthy being schizophrenia.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/gnxp/indonesian-islam-is-getting-modern-not-conservative/#comment-1649658

    I just discovered, that Omar bin Laden was actually treated for schizophrenia [...]

    So does Omar bin Laden’s condition suggest anything about his father’s mental health? Without a mental evaluation, it’s impossible to tell whether Osama bin Laden suffers from schizophrenia or some other mental illness. But doctors say schizophrenia tends to run in families.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/gnxp/indonesian-islam-is-getting-modern-not-conservative/#comment-1650153
    , @RadicalCenter
    You say that Flynn and Trump are anti-Muslim and pro-Russia. Well, I hope so, as those would be points in their favor. Are you getting to the bad part soon?
    , @Hibernian
    "even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians."

    Do you understand why she's a FORMER Congresswoman? What an unimpeachable source!
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  23. I find it interesting that NPR and BBC (which, if they were Russian, would’ve been called ‘government-controlled’) appear the most neutral. Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy…

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    Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy…
     
    That's a wedge worth driving.

    Could be a way to get a Left worth the name.
    , @jack ryan
    Yes, yours is a very good observation.

    It's another reason I've left Libertarian and free market philosophies behind. In the USA there are various ethnic/tribal mafias that monopolize certain industries like film production and distribution, or TV news.

    Just as one had to be Sicilian Italian American to be at the top of the American Mafia, one has to be of certain ethnic/tribal group to be allowed any power or influence in the private market media.

    The only place that allows intelligent Alternative Right/Populists to meet are government buildings and government owned parks.

    We're basically shut out of the MSM mainstream media and shut out of the colleges and universities including supposedly "Catholic" universities like DePaul Chicago. Students at Depaul are getting harassed and suspended for "hate speech" for writing "Unborn Lives Matter" anti abortion messages on posters.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    The BBC? Neutral? Surely you jest? Certainly a more sophisticated form of propaganda than most but propaganda nevertheless.
    , @Kiza
    I have been actively researching the MSM propaganda since 1989. Based on my experience your observation is true but only partially. The interplay between the media owners and the government they own is quite complex. The level of propaganda in private vs. public media varies all the time. In other words, before the election BBC and NPR were as screeching as the oligarchy owned private media against Trump. But after the election, the people working in government media got a bit worried for their jobs so they cooled it off (BBC certainly listens to Theresa and she wants to build a new relationship with Trump considering that she spat on him before the election). The private media employees have no job concerns - they have been unleashed on Trump before the election and as long as their owners believe that they can fight Trump, the presstututes dogs will be off the leash. If Trump proves not to be the agent of change that his voters want, then the private MSM will turn pro-Trump overnight. Therefore, I am happy for the MSM to remain lying garbage anti-Trump forever. In other words, the Western propaganda does suffer from restful pauses.

    Check out this latest turd from MSNBC: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-hillary-shes-been-through-enough. Note how none of the sources for this sewage is directly from Trump or his staff then it is all the presstitutes quoting each other what Trump staff "said". This is becoming a typical sewage MSM behavior - instead of competing for a scoop they are banding together to exercise societal influence using the power-of-group. All MSM are becoming one power block.
    , @Hibernian
    "(which, if they were Russian, would’ve been called ‘government-controlled’)"

    They ARE government controlled. I don't think anyone from furthest left to furthest right could deny that, plausibly, although some leftists would probably try.
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  24. RobinG says:
    @utu
    And BBC just reported that weapons found at liberated from ISIS areas are weapons bought from Eastern European suppliers by the US government!

    I wish there were more Congressmen with the views on Syria, etc. like Tulsi Gabbard.

    Do you have a link to that bbc report? Weapons found in Iraq? thanks, utu.

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    Our CIA has been shipping arms to ISIS for years, but this is not reported in the American press. Most came from Libya and later shipping stuff from Eastern Europe. An example from Jane's Dec 2015.

    http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

    "Documents released by the US government's Federal Business Opportunities (FBO) website have provided an indication of the types and numbers of Eastern European weapons and ammunition the United States is providing to Syrian rebel groups as part of a programme that continues despite the widely respected ceasefire in that country.

    The FBO has released two solicitations in recent months looking for shipping companies to transport explosive material from Eastern Europe to the Jordanian port of Aqaba on behalf of the US Navy's Military Sealift Command.

    Released on 3 November 2015, the first solicitation sought a contractor to ship 81 containers of cargo that included explosive material from Constanta in Romania to Aqaba.

    The solicitation was subsequently updated with a detailed packing list that showed the cargo had a total weight of 994 tonnes, a little under half of which was to be unloaded at Agalar, a military pier near the Turkish town of Tasucu, the other half at Aqaba.

    The cargo listed in the document included AK-47 rifles, PKM general-purpose machine guns, DShK heavy machine guns, RPG-7 rocket launchers, and 9K111M Faktoria anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW) systems. The Faktoria is an improved version of the 9K111 Fagot ATGW, the primary difference being that its missile has a tandem warhead for defeating explosive reactive armour (ERA) fitted to some tanks."
    , @utu
    IS conflict: How is it getting hold of weapons from the West?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38048482

    Ammunition boxes were turning up that could be traced back to factories in Eastern Europe.

    It emerged that the material had been sold - legally - to the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia. It was then shipped through Turkey.

    The destination was northern Syria and the opposition groups (which the US and Saudi Arabia supported) fighting President Bashar al-Assad.
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  25. @Montefrío
    Perhaps Mr. T and his wealthy partisans would do well to fund a variety of media groups across the spectrum of content style from tabloid to broadsheet, so to speak. Media conglomerates need competition, or better yet deconstruction. Over-centralization is the curse of modern times.

    You’ve hit the nail on the head. Mr Trump’s views on economic nationalism, immigration and futile American wars are shared by a majority of white Americans. Print Media, Radio and TV stations advocating these views – whilst reporting the actual news in an honest manner – would be very successful. There is a massive gap in the market waiting to be filled by enterprising individuals and groups.

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    Thank you. Please check out my blog if this sort of thinking appeals: http://subsidiarityinstitute.blogspot.com.ar/

    I'm eagerly awaiting those enterprising individuals and groups. Maybe I can get hired on! Would that I were younger (Mr T and I are 40 days apart in age) and had access to capital, but I'd be more than content to be a free-lance employee of those who begin such a venture.
    , @Rabbitnexus
    Trump's views on those things happen to coincide with all Americans, unless they've been misled as those who thought Clinton was anything but a criminal tool of the status quo were, by the media.. Many Muslims, Latinos and Black people voted for him actually.
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  26. @Mao Cheng Ji
    I find it interesting that NPR and BBC (which, if they were Russian, would've been called 'government-controlled') appear the most neutral. Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy...

    Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy…

    That’s a wedge worth driving.

    Could be a way to get a Left worth the name.

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  27. This over the top bawling by the MSM is only serving to whip up hysteria in the die hard Hillary fanatics. Anyone who voted for Trump is only further galvanized in their opinions of the MSM, and I would think amongst the undecided, the tactic will just turn more people away from the MSM than it will turn away from Trump.

    If I didn’t know better (;-) I’d say that they are trying to get a civil war underway before Obama steps down.

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    This over the top bawling by the MSM is only serving to whip up hysteria in the die hard Hillary fanatics.
     
    Yeah, the over the top caterwauling won't convince Trump voters that they picked the wrong candidate because he has done a good job of framing the discussion: lying media, rigged process, drain the swamp. The trick is going to be maintaining a way around them, something that the MSM is trying to block.
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  28. Reagan, the Bushes, McCain, Romney, they all played ball with the press, they all got their balls cut off. Trump might as well hate em back. That press room at the White House needs to be leveled and the swimming pool put back in. The press isn’t entitled to comfortable spaces at the White House (actually, that room is really small, quite crowded), they can do just fine with a single network pool feed out to a tent in the parking lot OUTSIDE the gate. When they learn to behave, maybe they can negotiate a bigger tent. This press in this day and age shouldn’t set foot inside the gates, never. There’s no law that says they must. Press conferences can be via YouTube and Skype. Flatten the mainstream press with these methods, they’ll be on the outside looking in. Since they went full on for Hillary, why should he play ball?

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    Agreed. Trump should humiliate the establishment "press" at every opportunity. Cut off the Washington Post, NY Times, and LA Times entirely, as they make no pretense even of being objective.
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  29. Montefrío says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    You've hit the nail on the head. Mr Trump's views on economic nationalism, immigration and futile American wars are shared by a majority of white Americans. Print Media, Radio and TV stations advocating these views - whilst reporting the actual news in an honest manner - would be very successful. There is a massive gap in the market waiting to be filled by enterprising individuals and groups.

    Thank you. Please check out my blog if this sort of thinking appeals: http://subsidiarityinstitute.blogspot.com.ar/

    I’m eagerly awaiting those enterprising individuals and groups. Maybe I can get hired on! Would that I were younger (Mr T and I are 40 days apart in age) and had access to capital, but I’d be more than content to be a free-lance employee of those who begin such a venture.

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  30. alexander says:
    @Boris N
    I say a platitude: Welcome to 1984.

    However, I doubt if the MSM have ever been any different. It rather seems they remain the same, but people have just started to understand the true nature of the media. Only thanks to the internet, probably. Otherwise they would never know. This is the reason why people also have had an illusion the media were better in the past: they simply did not have any alternative to compare back then.

    You make a thoughtful point, Boris.

    I have contemplated the exact same issue about the M.S.M. having “always” engaged in dubious and fraudulent reportage. Only now, we (the American people) have finally woken up to it.

    I don’t think its exactly true that it “always” was the case.

    Not at this level, anyway.

    We have had (over the past two decades) an enormous consolidation of “faux-narrative reporting”, from our M.S.M., The likes of which we have never seen before in history.

    EVERY SINGLE newspaper and network of record was wholly complicit in “lying us into the Iraq fiasco”.

    Every single one.

    And lets face it, they screwed the pooch…. big time.

    There is a question of the “price tag” too, Boris….which terrifies the M.S.M. right down to its marrow.

    Why ?

    Because if they were complicit in “defrauding” us into war, why shouldn’t THEY be responsible for PAYING FOR IT ?

    Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for the tens of trillions of dollars lost to our balance sheet, when it was the media’s DECEIT that was responsible ?

    Why should American citizens be on the hook for even ONE PENNY ?

    Why should we ?

    I am in my mid fifties,Boris, I have visited or vacationed in over 20 states throughout the US. I cannot recall meeting one American, EVER, who likes to be defrauded out of his money ?

    Have you ?

    What Americans want,……. is their money….BACK.

    And 20 trillion dollars is a lot of money !

    And we would all be crazy happy if our President-elect showed some “cojones”, to lock these frauds up, and claw back as much of our pilfered trillions as he possibly can.

    This is the REAL ISSUE at the stake of the TRUMP PRESIDENCY.

    Will he hold them to account ?

    And , I hate to say it, but I am on board in expanding “Guantanamo Bay”, if its done so specifically to provide a permanent residency to all these “defrauders”.

    For THEM, I will make the exception.

    What a terrible, terrible thing to do.

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  31. Thea says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Then why is she still a Democrat? I think she is a military vet, and there is nothing stranger than military people who vote democrat.

    I can just imagine the flack that crazy Joe's son recieved from his ( republican) officer comrades regarding his father and his own political standpoint.

    There is something extermely fishy about her, and I would not trust her period.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    Her father, also a democrat, is staunchly against the homosexual agenda. I believe they tried to kick him out of the party.

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  32. @RobinG
    Do you have a link to that bbc report? Weapons found in Iraq? thanks, utu.

    Our CIA has been shipping arms to ISIS for years, but this is not reported in the American press. Most came from Libya and later shipping stuff from Eastern Europe. An example from Jane’s Dec 2015.

    http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

    “Documents released by the US government’s Federal Business Opportunities (FBO) website have provided an indication of the types and numbers of Eastern European weapons and ammunition the United States is providing to Syrian rebel groups as part of a programme that continues despite the widely respected ceasefire in that country.

    The FBO has released two solicitations in recent months looking for shipping companies to transport explosive material from Eastern Europe to the Jordanian port of Aqaba on behalf of the US Navy’s Military Sealift Command.

    Released on 3 November 2015, the first solicitation sought a contractor to ship 81 containers of cargo that included explosive material from Constanta in Romania to Aqaba.

    The solicitation was subsequently updated with a detailed packing list that showed the cargo had a total weight of 994 tonnes, a little under half of which was to be unloaded at Agalar, a military pier near the Turkish town of Tasucu, the other half at Aqaba.

    The cargo listed in the document included AK-47 rifles, PKM general-purpose machine guns, DShK heavy machine guns, RPG-7 rocket launchers, and 9K111M Faktoria anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW) systems. The Faktoria is an improved version of the 9K111 Fagot ATGW, the primary difference being that its missile has a tandem warhead for defeating explosive reactive armour (ERA) fitted to some tanks.”

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    Exactly. Hopefully these whiffs of truth in the MSM indicate the tide is turning.

    "The Islamic State has used chemical weapons, including chlorine and sulfur mustard agents, at least 52 times on the battlefield in Syria and Iraq since it swept to power in 2014, according to a new independent analysis."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/middleeast/isis-chemical-weapons-syria-iraq-mosul.html?_r=0


    "It emerged that the material had been sold - legally - to the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia. It was then shipped through Turkey.

    The destination was northern Syria and the opposition groups (which the US and Saudi Arabia supported) fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

    The intention was never for the ammunition to find its way to IS but somewhere along the way it was diverted."
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38048482
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  33. Marcus says:

    Hey, Trump got them to basically carry his campaign for him, why stop now?

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  34. RobinG says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Our CIA has been shipping arms to ISIS for years, but this is not reported in the American press. Most came from Libya and later shipping stuff from Eastern Europe. An example from Jane's Dec 2015.

    http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

    "Documents released by the US government's Federal Business Opportunities (FBO) website have provided an indication of the types and numbers of Eastern European weapons and ammunition the United States is providing to Syrian rebel groups as part of a programme that continues despite the widely respected ceasefire in that country.

    The FBO has released two solicitations in recent months looking for shipping companies to transport explosive material from Eastern Europe to the Jordanian port of Aqaba on behalf of the US Navy's Military Sealift Command.

    Released on 3 November 2015, the first solicitation sought a contractor to ship 81 containers of cargo that included explosive material from Constanta in Romania to Aqaba.

    The solicitation was subsequently updated with a detailed packing list that showed the cargo had a total weight of 994 tonnes, a little under half of which was to be unloaded at Agalar, a military pier near the Turkish town of Tasucu, the other half at Aqaba.

    The cargo listed in the document included AK-47 rifles, PKM general-purpose machine guns, DShK heavy machine guns, RPG-7 rocket launchers, and 9K111M Faktoria anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW) systems. The Faktoria is an improved version of the 9K111 Fagot ATGW, the primary difference being that its missile has a tandem warhead for defeating explosive reactive armour (ERA) fitted to some tanks."

    Exactly. Hopefully these whiffs of truth in the MSM indicate the tide is turning.

    “The Islamic State has used chemical weapons, including chlorine and sulfur mustard agents, at least 52 times on the battlefield in Syria and Iraq since it swept to power in 2014, according to a new independent analysis.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/middleeast/isis-chemical-weapons-syria-iraq-mosul.html?_r=0

    “It emerged that the material had been sold – legally – to the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia. It was then shipped through Turkey.

    The destination was northern Syria and the opposition groups (which the US and Saudi Arabia supported) fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

    The intention was never for the ammunition to find its way to IS but somewhere along the way it was diverted.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38048482

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  35. darpan says:
    @Kiza
    I have a simple rule for the consumption of MSM (if one really must stoop as low): just turn everything the MSM say or show to its opposite – and you will be close to the truth, if they say it is black then it is white, if they say it is white then it is black, who they attack is a good guy, who they promote is worthless trash and so on. This rule really works.

    Now I would not want them to invalidate Kiza's MSM rule by turning honest and truthful overnight, would I?

    You are absolutely right that the Internet spelled the end of the monopoly on the news, which is why the MSM are so desperate to censor the so called "fake news" competitors. It appears that the Western MSM, an ugly hybrid of the Government propaganda and a marginally profitable business, have owners who can declare the competition’s products to be the low quality “fakes” and get the main gate-keepers, that is the supermarkets such as Facebook, Google and Twitter, to remove those products from their shelves? How many businesses in this World would dream of being given the privilege of deciding on the true quality of the competitors’ products? Obviously, the Western MSM businesses are as privileged (because the MSM owners also own the governments). Is this not a clear case of anti-competitive behavior and collusion of dominant market players?

    @kiza
    Agree with every word you wrote.
    In conversation, this is what I tell close aquaintances.

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  36. Svigor says:

    They are not in the business of “reporting the news” and have not been for quite a while now. They are in the business of selling audiences to advertisers.

    Think of a fishing boat that uses a certain bait to attract a certain species of fish, which can then be harvested and sold to a fish processor.

    Sure, just like Hollywood, who left somewhere between half a billion, and a billion dollars on the table, because they didn’t want to have anything to do with The Passion of the Christ.

    They want to make money while serving their agenda, which is far broader than merely making money.

    Something like half the country voted for Trump, but 99% of the Big Media coverage is hostile. That makes it plain for even a fool to see; there’s more to this than giving the audience what it wants (same thing explains why there was no follow-up to the big success of Passion. Hollywood usually follows up on big successes. But Hollywood is heavily Jewish, and thus, hostile to Christian-oriented entertainment. Eliminate all of the Old Testament Christian stuff (which is much more acceptable to Jews) and you’re left with almost nothing in the history of Hollywood. There’s a lot of money there, but Hollywood doesn’t want it. To quote a crappy movie, “the only time a man doesn’t want money, is when he wants something else).

    The media is a tool for social control. People who buy media influence want more than just money.

    Therefore, touch MSM only if they cannot claim advertising revenue based on you, in other words never click online, never buy paper copy.

    Maybe it’s time someone disabused their advertisers of their delusions; I click plenty, and I almost never see ads. Certainly no images or video.

    Jazzman, lots of pols are just flip-flopping self-interested types. Pols change parties when it suits their interests. Many more are willing to do so, when it does. Maybe Gabbard chose her district first, and her choice of party followed (or maybe it’s because of daddy, as someone else pointed out).

    I find it interesting that NPR and BBC (which, if they were Russian, would’ve been called ‘government-controlled’) appear the most neutral. Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy…

    1. NPR only appears “most neutral” compared to the rest. They’re godawful.
    2. British press is far better at their jobs than American press, and that extends to the BBC.
    3. British press hasn’t nearly the skin in the game that American press does.
    4. Your alternative explanation seems to encompass a distinction without a difference.

    I’m with Jim Christian; kick the press out of the White House.

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  37. jack ryan says: • Website

    “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm will be saved”

    (that’s how I remember this NT quote from Jesus)

    It’s the same with Trump.

    The MSM Mainstream Media hates Trump, because the bi coastal, PC University in crowd hates Trump supporters

    The MSM hates industrial workers in the Midwest.
    The MSM hates coal miners in West Virginia and Kentucky
    The MSM hates White Southerners who do not spend every waking movement apologizing for the South
    The MSM hates traditional Catholics, Christians of types who don’t embrace the Rolling Stone Magazine cover boy Liberation Theology Pope Francis.
    The MSM hates you and I

    Trump’s our guy.

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  38. dahoit says:
    @Montefrío
    Perhaps Mr. T and his wealthy partisans would do well to fund a variety of media groups across the spectrum of content style from tabloid to broadsheet, so to speak. Media conglomerates need competition, or better yet deconstruction. Over-centralization is the curse of modern times.

    Wealthy partisans?Holy moly,do you got it wrong,as it was the Hell Bitch who represented the wealthy zionists who stole all the money from our dead eyes.

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    I think you misunderstood. Trump had and has some wealthy partisans. Wilbur Ross, for example, is not lacking for funds.
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  39. jack ryan says: • Website
    @Mao Cheng Ji
    I find it interesting that NPR and BBC (which, if they were Russian, would've been called 'government-controlled') appear the most neutral. Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy...

    Yes, yours is a very good observation.

    It’s another reason I’ve left Libertarian and free market philosophies behind. In the USA there are various ethnic/tribal mafias that monopolize certain industries like film production and distribution, or TV news.

    Just as one had to be Sicilian Italian American to be at the top of the American Mafia, one has to be of certain ethnic/tribal group to be allowed any power or influence in the private market media.

    The only place that allows intelligent Alternative Right/Populists to meet are government buildings and government owned parks.

    We’re basically shut out of the MSM mainstream media and shut out of the colleges and universities including supposedly “Catholic” universities like DePaul Chicago. Students at Depaul are getting harassed and suspended for “hate speech” for writing “Unborn Lives Matter” anti abortion messages on posters.

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  40. Art says:
    @RobinG
    Gotta love this man!

    “The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

    “Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.
    http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

    And here it is... Ta Da !!
    Note the lifetime ban on lobbying for a foreign government. The only question, exactly what is an "executive official"... does that include Senators?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgkNSEZxyCA
    A Message from President Elect Donald J Trump

    “Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

    Was a Hebrew translator there?

    JUST ASKING!

    Peace — Art

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  41. dahoit says:
    @Robert Magill
    The MSM created Donald Trump. He sold papers so we had a solid year of one word TRUMP. I could have run for president for the pocket change it cost The Donald to run. Then he won...horrors. What have we done? Well, lets sell more papers TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, ad nauseam.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Misdirection,as all the coverage of Trump was negative,especially once he uttered the Pal-Izzie neutrality speech.
    He’ll give the Israelis W Jerusalem if they give the Palestinians E Jerusalem?
    An offer they can’t refuse?(either of them?)

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  42. Anybody who thinks that the bias on the part of the NYT and WaPo is anything new is naive. Neither newspaper was ever even remotely unbiased.

    The NYT and the WaPo both covered up the genocide occurring under the Communists in Russia from 1917 onward. In the 1930s the NYT actually won a Pulitzer Prize for deliberately covering up the slaughter of millions of people by the Communists all over Russia but in the Ukraine specifically (Google: Holmador) .

    Many have demanded that the NYT give this prize back because of the deliberate bias and communist leanings of Walter Duranty, the NYT’s reporter there. Trump should make a similar demand.

    WaPo is owned by Amazon.com chairman and mega billionaire Jeff Bezos. This newspaper is still able to operate despite its tremendous financial losses because it is subsided out of Amazon.com’s tremendous profits. Consider this the next time you make an online purchase.

    Consider this also the next time you buy coffee. Howard Shultz, the chairman of Starbucks coffee and it principal shareholder went out his way to promote Hiliary Clinton’s candidacy. He not only made large contributions ot her campaign, he even used his coffee cups for advertising it. His social activism had previously been seen when he used his infuence to essentially de-Christian-ize Christmas at Starbuck’s locations. Strangely enough, he is also an avid supporter of Israel despite its inherent parochialism and outright racism towards non Jews.

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    This is the kind of information that can really make a difference, boycotts work. Kudos.
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  43. @Authenticjazzman
    Then why is she still a Democrat? I think she is a military vet, and there is nothing stranger than military people who vote democrat.

    I can just imagine the flack that crazy Joe's son recieved from his ( republican) officer comrades regarding his father and his own political standpoint.

    There is something extermely fishy about her, and I would not trust her period.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    There is nothing stranger than a Mensa society member who has to tell everyone that they are….

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    Brilliant observation Sherlock.

    Authenticjazzman,"Mensa" Society membersine 1973, and projazz artist
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  44. @SimpleTech
    There is nothing stranger than a Mensa society member who has to tell everyone that they are....

    Brilliant observation Sherlock.

    Authenticjazzman,”Mensa” Society membersine 1973, and projazz artist

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    Actually, the laws (yes, laws) of branding clearly state that you pick one defining attribute and stick with it. Had you gone with Jazzman and left it at that, you'd have more cred and less ridicule. I would have thought you'd know that.

    It's a bit late but better late than never.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1565533.The_22_Immutable_Laws_of_Branding
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  45. @Robert Magill
    The MSM created Donald Trump. He sold papers so we had a solid year of one word TRUMP. I could have run for president for the pocket change it cost The Donald to run. Then he won...horrors. What have we done? Well, lets sell more papers TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, ad nauseam.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    All publicity is good publicity and free is best. Ask Donald trump.

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  46. They thought that they had their vision of an eternal one-party PC rainbow “Utopia” wrapped up , and along comes this guy who throws a huge monkey wrench into their plans for a leftist PC looney-bin, therefore their rage and venom.

    I am now surmising that they suspected that that he could win from the get-go, and thus their huge effort to knock him out before the election, instead of just waiting for HC to win.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  47. @Authenticjazzman
    Then why is she still a Democrat? I think she is a military vet, and there is nothing stranger than military people who vote democrat.

    I can just imagine the flack that crazy Joe's son recieved from his ( republican) officer comrades regarding his father and his own political standpoint.

    There is something extermely fishy about her, and I would not trust her period.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    I think that the “Washington Consensus” is just that – widely shared across the duopoly party lines. Other than Trump or Sanders (Paul seemed to fall listlessly into line), there was little voiced opposition to the status quo, and none among the elites’ preferred contenders of either party. Heads they win, tails we lose, was the donorist plan: Hillary versus Jeb!

    That said, trust no politician.

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  48. @dahoit
    Wealthy partisans?Holy moly,do you got it wrong,as it was the Hell Bitch who represented the wealthy zionists who stole all the money from our dead eyes.

    I think you misunderstood. Trump had and has some wealthy partisans. Wilbur Ross, for example, is not lacking for funds.

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    Sorry,I jumped the gun,as many just flat out and out lie about Trump.Yes,a few big names support him,but look at their Adelson collusion attempt to blur Trumps nationalist appeal by saying he funded Trump,when Bannon just blew off his ZOA convention.
    They never sleep,and now its voter irregularities in 3 states,and how much you wanna bet that those three would be just enough for the pos HB to gain electoral victory.Divide and conquer rears its ugly zionist head once again.
    As far as a new newspaper,I think they are dead,zionism's lies killed them unfortunately,although some type of net news outlet that just neutrally gives the news,with an honest pro and con conversation,would be welcome.
    Its all ideologue crap today,or sexual leanings concern politics,about as vapid and dumb as one can get,and of course zion uber alles.Not one MSM or 99% of the web are or were pro Trump.He did something no candidate ever did,won despite the hostility of the serial lying zionists and their cacophony of bubbleheaded blowhards.
    It was simply awesome.
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  49. polistra says:

    Unfortunately Trump is the exact opposite of relentless. He isn’t a clown, but he is certainly a flibbertigibbet and a will-o-the-wisp. His attention span is measured in milliseconds.

    We desperately need a serious adult like Hungary’s Orban.

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    Orban also jailed Richard Spencer's fruity ass, so he's a good man in book as well as a good leader.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    It seems that Trump has announced that Hillary won't be prosecuted after all. A move guaranteed to weaken his base and also remove a potent weapon from his arsenal.

    Pardoning whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden and Manning would be a good move.

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  50. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    That the Clinton camp originally wanted Trump as the Republican nominee because they thought he’d be easiest to beat really tickles me. Turns out there’s much more to him that those shallow minded people thought. Trump has given them a tongue lashing so we’ll see what effect that has. Possibly he’ll do what everyone else has done and give greater access to those who aren’t hostile. Right now the barrage of abuse has been taken out of a propaganda handbook, from a through z. This election really exposed the monolithic uniformity of the mass media. Something needs to be done to break up the media monopoly and get a variety of people running it, not the same old same old.

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  51. Miro23 says:

    Looking at all these conversations I would say that Alt-right is anything that isn’t the Establishment-right. You know, the ones who wanted to manipulate the electoral convention to exclude Trump.

    That would make sense as an Alt (Alternative) to the (Establishment) right.

    The main Alt-right theme is Trumps “America First”, and since the 0,1% couldn’t fight him on this (guaranteed loser with the public) they took him on with their SJW playbook and failed.

    The election proved that Trump is mainstream right, so Alt-right is a misnomer, it’s really Mainstream traditional right but has caught the “Alt” label because of its exclusion by the US’s largely Jewish operated media who are still clinging to their CCP (Counter Cultural Progressive) anti-white narrative.

    The interesting part is that this is the real racism, that will probably one day generate an equal anti-Jewish reaction in the U.S. with Jewish activists lacking the words to describe it since they are already describing Trump as the “Great Fascist” and “New Hitler” when he is nothing of the sort.

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    "....the US’s largely Jewish operated media who are still clinging to their CCP (Counter Cultural Progressive) anti-white narrative.

    The interesting part is that this is the real racism, that will probably one day generate an equal anti-Jewish reaction in the U.S. "

    ISRAELI LEADERS WELCOME RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN THE U.S.

    "... Israeli leaders are welcoming the resurgence of white nationalism and anti-Semitism in the United States ...
    "In a column for Israel’s Ynet, Yaron London... wrote that “a worldview which supports white supremacy matches our government’s interests.”

    "London elaborates on why the rise of white nationalism, a political movement many of whose adherents openly identify with the Ku Klux Klan and even Nazism, would be seen as beneficial to Israel.

    ".... all forms of Zionism hold the perception that a certain extent of anti-Semitism benefits the Zionist enterprise...”

    “.... anti-Semitism is the generator and ally of Zionism,” London states."

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/why-israeli-leaders-are-welcoming-rise-anti-semitism-us
     
    See any parallels?
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  52. Marcus says:
    @polistra
    Unfortunately Trump is the exact opposite of relentless. He isn't a clown, but he is certainly a flibbertigibbet and a will-o-the-wisp. His attention span is measured in milliseconds.

    We desperately need a serious adult like Hungary's Orban.

    Orban also jailed Richard Spencer’s fruity ass, so he’s a good man in book as well as a good leader.

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  53. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Assange and James O’Keefe. And even Dinesh Doosh.

    Trump needs to attack MSM by hailing the work of citizen journalists and whistle blowers.

    He should say he doesn’t give a crap about MSM since it never asked for transparency in Obama’s administration, which even NYT at one time admitted was the most repressive and hidden when it came to information.

    He can rout the Media with this tactic.

    Of course, he opens his administration to greater scrutiny by Citizen Journalism, but that will be a good thing.

    He should characterize his era as the anti-Obama.

    Age of Obama was about progs turning a blind eye to imperialism and globalist abuse. It was about MSM working, indeed colluding, with the government to push the Narrative and favor certain identity groups at the expense of All Americans.
    It turned into Jewish Money Matters, Homo Privilege Matters, and Black Lives Matter(and hell with victims of blacks).

    Declare the Age of Populist Media, the Era of Citizen Journalism sick of MSM’s monopoly of ‘truth’ which is mostly lies.

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  54. utu says:
    @RobinG
    Do you have a link to that bbc report? Weapons found in Iraq? thanks, utu.

    IS conflict: How is it getting hold of weapons from the West?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38048482

    Ammunition boxes were turning up that could be traced back to factories in Eastern Europe.

    It emerged that the material had been sold – legally – to the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia. It was then shipped through Turkey.

    The destination was northern Syria and the opposition groups (which the US and Saudi Arabia supported) fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

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    WHAT a conundrum! How did ISIS get those weapons? Man, our unicorns are exceedingly careless with their gear.
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  55. FKA Max says:
    @Rehmat
    Just count the warmongering Jews and Zionist Christians in Trump Team to find out what terrible future American and world would face under Trump administration.

    Donald Trump is 101% JUDAS GOAT - and the Zionist mainstream media is trying to hide that fact from the public by demonizing him.

    On November 18, Jewish-controlled mainstream media reported that president-elect Donald Trump has appointed retired US Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn as his senior national security adviser. He most probably would be replacing Barack Obama’s senior national security adviser Dr. Susan Rice. Both Flynn and Rice are ‘Israel-loving’ Zionist Christians.

    Michael T. Flynn, like Donald Trump, is anti-Muslim, and pro-Russia.

    In July 2016, in an interview at Fox News’ The Kelly File, commenting on Nice and Munich terrorist attacks Flynn demanded that Kings of Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei should condemn their ‘radical Islamic ideology’.

    I don’t expect Flynn to call upon Pope Francis, Archbishop Justin Welby and Chief Rabbi Mirvis to condemn their ‘radical Judeo-Christian ideology’ even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians.

    Like Benjamin Netanyahu, Flynn too suffers from severe attack of Islamophobia by suggesting he may be OK with killing the families of suspected terrorists and tweeting, “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.”

    FBI reported in 2006 that Muslim extremists were involved in 6% of anti-US terrorist events as compared to 7% by Jew fanatics and the rest by Christians, Communists and others.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/19/meet-trump-israel-loving-national-security-adviser/

    FBI reported in 2006 that Muslim extremists were involved in 6% of anti-US terrorist events as compared to 7% by Jew fanatics and the rest by Christians, Communists and others.

    But what about the claim that Right-wing extremists kill more Americans than Muslim terrorists? These statements at least proclaim to be based on hard collections of data.

    Most reasonable readers have already made two perfectly reasonable observations against this claim: first, if it’s true that you’re only 7 times more likely to be killed by a Right-wing extremist than by a Muslim terrorist, doesn’t that still mean any given Muslim is more likely to kill you than any given “Right-winger” because there are much more than 7 times more conservatives than Muslims in the American population? Second, isn’t it begging the question just a little bit if we start collecting this data on 9/12/2001 solely to leave the 9/11 attacks out of consideration, as if the fact that 9/11 was an outlier makes it meaningless [...]

    In any case, once we factor in foiled plots (which are 3.8 times more often Islamic than Right-wing), and we correct for the population rate (where white conservatives are represented in the population at a rate 30.8 times higher than Muslims of any race), and we leave out the dishonest inclusion of non-terrorist attacks or non-“conservative” terrorists,[32] the statistic we end up with is that the 0.9% of the population that is Muslim is committing 1.8 times as many terror attacks as the 30% of the population that is white and conservative. If we increased that 0.9% of the population to 30%—replacing the white conservative population with Muslims—then (multiplying (30/0.9) by 1.8) this means they would commit 60 times as many terror attacks as the white conservative population currently does.

    When the mainstream media can manage to turn “You Are More Than 60 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Muslim Terrorist Than By Right-Wing Extremists” into “You Are More Than 7 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Right-Wing Extremist Than By Muslim Terrorists”—and even get away with adding the byline that “The face of terrorism in the United States is white!”—the perception of anti–white bias in the American media is no longer a paranoid fantasy; it’s fact. This is why we need alternative media. This is why outlets like Counter Currents are invaluable, and will only become more necessary as time goes on and these trends continue their acceleration.

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/05/a-study-in-anti-white-media-lies/

    I just recently wrote a comment on why, I believe, Muslims have such a high propensity to engage in terrorism:

    I have a hypothesis that the combination of Petro-Islam wealth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Islam) + cousin marriage is the true cause of Islamic terrorism. In the following excerpts below it will explain how affluence has led to a higher frequency of cousin marriages in the Arabic world, which in turn increases the risk of certain mental disorders that are prevalent among (Islamic) terrorists. [...]

    Conclusion The substantial risk observed in the present study reveals that consanguinity is an important risk factor for schizophrenia in Qatar. [...]

    There are only three disorders that have a substantially higher prevalence in the lone-actor population (see Figure 2), the most noteworthy being schizophrenia.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/indonesian-islam-is-getting-modern-not-conservative/#comment-1649658

    I just discovered, that Omar bin Laden was actually treated for schizophrenia [...]

    So does Omar bin Laden’s condition suggest anything about his father’s mental health? Without a mental evaluation, it’s impossible to tell whether Osama bin Laden suffers from schizophrenia or some other mental illness. But doctors say schizophrenia tends to run in families.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/indonesian-islam-is-getting-modern-not-conservative/#comment-1650153

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  56. @Boris N
    I say a platitude: Welcome to 1984.

    However, I doubt if the MSM have ever been any different. It rather seems they remain the same, but people have just started to understand the true nature of the media. Only thanks to the internet, probably. Otherwise they would never know. This is the reason why people also have had an illusion the media were better in the past: they simply did not have any alternative to compare back then.

    If you want to get a handle on how bad or how strange the media was back then, you could do worse than consulting the Library of Congress newspapers archive, which is available online, up to 1922. It’s a pity that the archive does not contain anything more recent. But it is a surreal experience, especially if you approach it with particular questions in mind, such as: “How did the newspapers cover the First World War?” “What financial scandals dominated the headlines?” “What were the contemporary reactions to the Russian Revolution?” and so on.

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  57. RobinG says:
    @Miro23
    Looking at all these conversations I would say that Alt-right is anything that isn't the Establishment-right. You know, the ones who wanted to manipulate the electoral convention to exclude Trump.

    That would make sense as an Alt (Alternative) to the (Establishment) right.

    The main Alt-right theme is Trumps "America First", and since the 0,1% couldn't fight him on this (guaranteed loser with the public) they took him on with their SJW playbook and failed.

    The election proved that Trump is mainstream right, so Alt-right is a misnomer, it's really Mainstream traditional right but has caught the "Alt" label because of its exclusion by the US's largely Jewish operated media who are still clinging to their CCP (Counter Cultural Progressive) anti-white narrative.

    The interesting part is that this is the real racism, that will probably one day generate an equal anti-Jewish reaction in the U.S. with Jewish activists lacking the words to describe it since they are already describing Trump as the "Great Fascist" and "New Hitler" when he is nothing of the sort.

    “….the US’s largely Jewish operated media who are still clinging to their CCP (Counter Cultural Progressive) anti-white narrative.

    The interesting part is that this is the real racism, that will probably one day generate an equal anti-Jewish reaction in the U.S. ”

    ISRAELI LEADERS WELCOME RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN THE U.S.

    “… Israeli leaders are welcoming the resurgence of white nationalism and anti-Semitism in the United States …
    “In a column for Israel’s Ynet, Yaron London… wrote that “a worldview which supports white supremacy matches our government’s interests.”

    “London elaborates on why the rise of white nationalism, a political movement many of whose adherents openly identify with the Ku Klux Klan and even Nazism, would be seen as beneficial to Israel.

    “…. all forms of Zionism hold the perception that a certain extent of anti-Semitism benefits the Zionist enterprise…”

    “…. anti-Semitism is the generator and ally of Zionism,” London states.”

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/why-israeli-leaders-are-welcoming-rise-anti-semitism-us

    See any parallels?

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    I can do you one better:

    "In order to remove these malignant doubts, it would be good to have some anti-Semitism in America. Not serious anti-Semitism, not pogroms, not persecutions that will empty America from its Jews, as we need them there, but just a taste of this pungent stuff, so that we can restore our faith in Zionism." - Yaron London, an Israeli media personality, writing in Ynet.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/zionist-dershowitz-politicizing/
     

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  58. @Kiza
    FYI, the MSM need your eyes much more than they need your pocket change, because advertising brings to the newspaper companies usually upwards of 95% of the revenue, whilst the displayed price is more to get you to respect what you just spent token money on.

    Therefore, touch MSM only if they cannot claim advertising revenue based on you, in other words never click online, never buy paper copy.

    I agree, I often click on sites such as The Guardian (once a respectable rag) but leave without clicking on any stories. The Achilles Heel is of course the advertisers. Sending emails to advertisers expressing disgust at their support of unethical media is probably more effective, especially done in large numbers in collaboration with social media.

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  59. @Mao Cheng Ji
    I find it interesting that NPR and BBC (which, if they were Russian, would've been called 'government-controlled') appear the most neutral. Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy...

    The BBC? Neutral? Surely you jest? Certainly a more sophisticated form of propaganda than most but propaganda nevertheless.

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  60. @silly billy
    Anybody who thinks that the bias on the part of the NYT and WaPo is anything new is naive. Neither newspaper was ever even remotely unbiased.

    The NYT and the WaPo both covered up the genocide occurring under the Communists in Russia from 1917 onward. In the 1930s the NYT actually won a Pulitzer Prize for deliberately covering up the slaughter of millions of people by the Communists all over Russia but in the Ukraine specifically (Google: Holmador) .

    Many have demanded that the NYT give this prize back because of the deliberate bias and communist leanings of Walter Duranty, the NYT's reporter there. Trump should make a similar demand.

    WaPo is owned by Amazon.com chairman and mega billionaire Jeff Bezos. This newspaper is still able to operate despite its tremendous financial losses because it is subsided out of Amazon.com's tremendous profits. Consider this the next time you make an online purchase.

    Consider this also the next time you buy coffee. Howard Shultz, the chairman of Starbucks coffee and it principal shareholder went out his way to promote Hiliary Clinton's candidacy. He not only made large contributions ot her campaign, he even used his coffee cups for advertising it. His social activism had previously been seen when he used his infuence to essentially de-Christian-ize Christmas at Starbuck's locations. Strangely enough, he is also an avid supporter of Israel despite its inherent parochialism and outright racism towards non Jews.

    This is the kind of information that can really make a difference, boycotts work. Kudos.

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  61. @Authenticjazzman
    Brilliant observation Sherlock.

    Authenticjazzman,"Mensa" Society membersine 1973, and projazz artist

    Actually, the laws (yes, laws) of branding clearly state that you pick one defining attribute and stick with it. Had you gone with Jazzman and left it at that, you’d have more cred and less ridicule. I would have thought you’d know that.

    It’s a bit late but better late than never.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1565533.The_22_Immutable_Laws_of_Branding

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  62. @polistra
    Unfortunately Trump is the exact opposite of relentless. He isn't a clown, but he is certainly a flibbertigibbet and a will-o-the-wisp. His attention span is measured in milliseconds.

    We desperately need a serious adult like Hungary's Orban.

    It seems that Trump has announced that Hillary won’t be prosecuted after all. A move guaranteed to weaken his base and also remove a potent weapon from his arsenal.

    Pardoning whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden and Manning would be a good move.

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    {A move guaranteed to weaken his base and also remove a potent weapon from his arsenal.}

    I don't think so.

    The Clintons are damaged goods. I read somewhere donations to the Clinton Foundation plunged 40% right after the election. Ignoring her is the rigth thing to do.
    Trump has to be above it: pursuing The Hildabeast might be satisfying to people, but is fraught with potential land mines. He might look petty.
    She might win any criminal trial, and that will damage the Trump brand.

    It is more important for Trump to right USS America, which had been headed to crash over the shoals. That is also why he settled Trump U case for $25 million. No doubt it hurt his pride, but it was the correct decision. Last thing he needs as POTUS is to waste time in a civil trail.

    The Sore Losers, the Snowflakes, the 'protesters' aka SorosaMobs, the MSM, all the riff raff...... want to and will try to neutralize him by entangling him in peripheral issues.

    As long as he delivers on core issues, people who voted for him will forget about Crooked Hillary, as I see it.
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  63. @Rehmat
    Just count the warmongering Jews and Zionist Christians in Trump Team to find out what terrible future American and world would face under Trump administration.

    Donald Trump is 101% JUDAS GOAT - and the Zionist mainstream media is trying to hide that fact from the public by demonizing him.

    On November 18, Jewish-controlled mainstream media reported that president-elect Donald Trump has appointed retired US Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn as his senior national security adviser. He most probably would be replacing Barack Obama’s senior national security adviser Dr. Susan Rice. Both Flynn and Rice are ‘Israel-loving’ Zionist Christians.

    Michael T. Flynn, like Donald Trump, is anti-Muslim, and pro-Russia.

    In July 2016, in an interview at Fox News’ The Kelly File, commenting on Nice and Munich terrorist attacks Flynn demanded that Kings of Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei should condemn their ‘radical Islamic ideology’.

    I don’t expect Flynn to call upon Pope Francis, Archbishop Justin Welby and Chief Rabbi Mirvis to condemn their ‘radical Judeo-Christian ideology’ even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians.

    Like Benjamin Netanyahu, Flynn too suffers from severe attack of Islamophobia by suggesting he may be OK with killing the families of suspected terrorists and tweeting, “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.”

    FBI reported in 2006 that Muslim extremists were involved in 6% of anti-US terrorist events as compared to 7% by Jew fanatics and the rest by Christians, Communists and others.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/19/meet-trump-israel-loving-national-security-adviser/

    You say that Flynn and Trump are anti-Muslim and pro-Russia. Well, I hope so, as those would be points in their favor. Are you getting to the bad part soon?

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    Don't worry - I can wait when Flynn and Trump decided to follow their ancestors what they did to your Jewish ancestors - Can you?
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  64. @Jim Christian
    Reagan, the Bushes, McCain, Romney, they all played ball with the press, they all got their balls cut off. Trump might as well hate em back. That press room at the White House needs to be leveled and the swimming pool put back in. The press isn't entitled to comfortable spaces at the White House (actually, that room is really small, quite crowded), they can do just fine with a single network pool feed out to a tent in the parking lot OUTSIDE the gate. When they learn to behave, maybe they can negotiate a bigger tent. This press in this day and age shouldn't set foot inside the gates, never. There's no law that says they must. Press conferences can be via YouTube and Skype. Flatten the mainstream press with these methods, they'll be on the outside looking in. Since they went full on for Hillary, why should he play ball?

    Agreed. Trump should humiliate the establishment “press” at every opportunity. Cut off the Washington Post, NY Times, and LA Times entirely, as they make no pretense even of being objective.

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  65. It is “invade the world-invite the world” at its finest and reminds one of Hillary Clinton at her most effusive.

    effusive? More like Offensive.

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  66. Avery says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    It seems that Trump has announced that Hillary won't be prosecuted after all. A move guaranteed to weaken his base and also remove a potent weapon from his arsenal.

    Pardoning whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden and Manning would be a good move.

    {A move guaranteed to weaken his base and also remove a potent weapon from his arsenal.}

    I don’t think so.

    The Clintons are damaged goods. I read somewhere donations to the Clinton Foundation plunged 40% right after the election. Ignoring her is the rigth thing to do.
    Trump has to be above it: pursuing The Hildabeast might be satisfying to people, but is fraught with potential land mines. He might look petty.
    She might win any criminal trial, and that will damage the Trump brand.

    It is more important for Trump to right USS America, which had been headed to crash over the shoals. That is also why he settled Trump U case for $25 million. No doubt it hurt his pride, but it was the correct decision. Last thing he needs as POTUS is to waste time in a civil trail.

    The Sore Losers, the Snowflakes, the ‘protesters’ aka SorosaMobs, the MSM, all the riff raff…… want to and will try to neutralize him by entangling him in peripheral issues.

    As long as he delivers on core issues, people who voted for him will forget about Crooked Hillary, as I see it.

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    You have made some excellent points, we'll see. He'll need good security whatever he does and I think Machiavelli prescribed going in early and hard. Presidential pardons have devalued the presidency itself of late.

    No question he has work of great magnitude ahead and we wish him well.
    , @Kiza
    Yes, you do make good points Avery and I agree with you that even Hillary's outrageous criminality is a peripheral issue for both President Trump and his voters. However, would you believe for one millisecond that Trump would have said: "She's Been Through Enough": http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-hillary-shes-been-through-enough. That particular part from MSNBC immediately screamed: fabricated news.

    I am awaiting for Trump to finally realise that he cannot work with or through the MSM, absolutely no way. Braking MSM up would be extremely hard, painful and time consuming - it would take one Presidency to achieve.

    Therefore, he needs to find a way to circumvent MSM and find alternative access channels to his voters, which could be the "fake news" that the MSM so conveniently identified already. Why not send White House press releases to the "fake-news" first and then to everybody else? Then let MSM fabricate whatever reality their owners momentarily feel like and the presstitutes can be as smart on fabrications as they are not. One day the MSM will end up with the audience of only Soros and other Jewish SJW and the rest of Academia, DNC leadership plus the MSM owners. Then the old joke about TV in Enver Hoxha Albania will be relevant again, because the news always started with: "Good morning Mr President".

    I am proud to be a Deplorable consuming exclusively the "fake-news".

    Let us see first if they will manage to challenge the election results in the key states, six electors have already been switched over from Trump to Hillary. This is the first fight, all others come later.
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  67. Rehmat says:
    @RadicalCenter
    You say that Flynn and Trump are anti-Muslim and pro-Russia. Well, I hope so, as those would be points in their favor. Are you getting to the bad part soon?

    Don’t worry – I can wait when Flynn and Trump decided to follow their ancestors what they did to your Jewish ancestors – Can you?

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    Your sentence doesn't make sense.

    And I'm glad to say I'm not Jewish. They're just the flip side of their mentally and socially retarded cousins, the Arabs. I'd be happier if neither group were allowed into our countries.

    Try again, oh clever worshipper of the pedophile "prophet" (disgust be upon him).

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  68. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    Gotta love this man!

    “The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

    “Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.
    http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

    And here it is... Ta Da !!
    Note the lifetime ban on lobbying for a foreign government. The only question, exactly what is an "executive official"... does that include Senators?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgkNSEZxyCA
    A Message from President Elect Donald J Trump

    Note the lifetime ban on lobbying for a foreign government. The only question, exactly what is an “executive official”… does that include Senators?

    The more pertinent question for me is exactly what is “lobbying for a foreign government” … does it include lobbies that are not registered under FARA? If so, this ban will have zero impact on the one lobby that has high-jacked US foreign policy – i.e.., AIPAC and other members of The Lobby.

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  69. Kiza says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji
    I find it interesting that NPR and BBC (which, if they were Russian, would've been called 'government-controlled') appear the most neutral. Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy...

    I have been actively researching the MSM propaganda since 1989. Based on my experience your observation is true but only partially. The interplay between the media owners and the government they own is quite complex. The level of propaganda in private vs. public media varies all the time. In other words, before the election BBC and NPR were as screeching as the oligarchy owned private media against Trump. But after the election, the people working in government media got a bit worried for their jobs so they cooled it off (BBC certainly listens to Theresa and she wants to build a new relationship with Trump considering that she spat on him before the election). The private media employees have no job concerns – they have been unleashed on Trump before the election and as long as their owners believe that they can fight Trump, the presstututes dogs will be off the leash. If Trump proves not to be the agent of change that his voters want, then the private MSM will turn pro-Trump overnight. Therefore, I am happy for the MSM to remain lying garbage anti-Trump forever. In other words, the Western propaganda does suffer from restful pauses.

    Check out this latest turd from MSNBC: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-hillary-shes-been-through-enough. Note how none of the sources for this sewage is directly from Trump or his staff then it is all the presstitutes quoting each other what Trump staff “said”. This is becoming a typical sewage MSM behavior – instead of competing for a scoop they are banding together to exercise societal influence using the power-of-group. All MSM are becoming one power block.

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  70. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    "....the US’s largely Jewish operated media who are still clinging to their CCP (Counter Cultural Progressive) anti-white narrative.

    The interesting part is that this is the real racism, that will probably one day generate an equal anti-Jewish reaction in the U.S. "

    ISRAELI LEADERS WELCOME RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN THE U.S.

    "... Israeli leaders are welcoming the resurgence of white nationalism and anti-Semitism in the United States ...
    "In a column for Israel’s Ynet, Yaron London... wrote that “a worldview which supports white supremacy matches our government’s interests.”

    "London elaborates on why the rise of white nationalism, a political movement many of whose adherents openly identify with the Ku Klux Klan and even Nazism, would be seen as beneficial to Israel.

    ".... all forms of Zionism hold the perception that a certain extent of anti-Semitism benefits the Zionist enterprise...”

    “.... anti-Semitism is the generator and ally of Zionism,” London states."

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/why-israeli-leaders-are-welcoming-rise-anti-semitism-us
     
    See any parallels?

    I can do you one better:

    “In order to remove these malignant doubts, it would be good to have some anti-Semitism in America. Not serious anti-Semitism, not pogroms, not persecutions that will empty America from its Jews, as we need them there, but just a taste of this pungent stuff, so that we can restore our faith in Zionism.” – Yaron London, an Israeli media personality, writing in Ynet.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/zionist-dershowitz-politicizing/

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    but just a taste of this pungent stuff

    I knew it!

    I have written it here more than once.

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.
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  71. TheBoom says:
    @Alfred1860
    This over the top bawling by the MSM is only serving to whip up hysteria in the die hard Hillary fanatics. Anyone who voted for Trump is only further galvanized in their opinions of the MSM, and I would think amongst the undecided, the tactic will just turn more people away from the MSM than it will turn away from Trump.

    If I didn't know better (;-) I'd say that they are trying to get a civil war underway before Obama steps down.

    This over the top bawling by the MSM is only serving to whip up hysteria in the die hard Hillary fanatics.

    Yeah, the over the top caterwauling won’t convince Trump voters that they picked the wrong candidate because he has done a good job of framing the discussion: lying media, rigged process, drain the swamp. The trick is going to be maintaining a way around them, something that the MSM is trying to block.

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  72. TheBoom says:

    The MSM has always been incredibly biased and I agree that now the Internet helps to expose the bias. However, there are a few trends that have changed things:

    1. Carlos Slim and Bezos buying the top two papers that the other incestuous media refer to for the narrative du jour. Neither comes from a media background and are used to corporate PR. In PR you don’t have to pretend to be objective.

    2. Financial problems with the whole MSM business model du to an aging and declining viewership/readership. They are frantically looking for ways to stand out and get publicity.

    3. Globalists who control the MSM and who have had it easy in implementing their agenda now feel threatened. They are furious that the rabble is rebelling against it.

    4. An administration which has hated the rabble (white version) as much as the media and has colluded with them.

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    "The MSM has always been incredibly biased and I agree that now the Internet helps to expose the bias."

    I hope they become ever more biased. More brazenly and hysterically biased they become, the more credibility they lose.
    Media-verse is now like a cartoon of the news.

    It's the law of diminishing returns.
    When the media were once trusted, they could incrementally increase the bias to manipulate the public. Since they had the trust of the public, the public was blind to the bias out of trust and respect for newsmen.

    But as the bias increased ever more, people became aware of the bias, and this awareness led to loss of respect and trust for the media.

    And after 8 yrs of crooning about Obama and the totally ludicrous coverage of 2016, people notice the bias factor more than anything else in the news. Some people may agree with the bias for ideological reasons, but even they don't trust the media as a reliable and/or objective source of information.

    Anyway, the first step in the reduction of bias and return to health requires a honest discussion of ethnic power in the US. It is a fact that the US is ruled by the ethnic power of Jewish Globalists, for good or ill(depending on one's point of view).

    The MSM hysteria about 'white privilege' merely obfuscates true discussion of where the real power is.

    If the media freak out about Alt Right, it is because of this very issue. For one thing, the academia and media are heavily controlled by Jews who shape perceptions of journalism students and do the hiring. Only PC-vetted applicants will be hired.

    There are certain things about Alt Right that is offensive and risible --- Alt Right ranges from sane dissent to those close to 14/88 --- , but its eyes are wide open about the true nature of power in the US.
    No other group or movement is willing to address this issue with such candor. (To be sure, there are individuals, Jews included, who are aware of this issue and bring it up on occasion, but only the Alt Right and few others have a sustained interest in this most important subject. After all, what is politics about but power, and how can anyone understand what is really happening without addressing the issue of who has the real power and what this means in terms of bias and agenda?)
    To honestly discuss the WHY of US domestic policy, foreign policy, culture, and 'values', we need to understand Jewish Power, its agenda, its likes and hates, its worldview, its interests, and its own kind of ethnic neurosis that makes so many powerful Jews act the way they do.

    There is no way to understand US relation with Russia, Iran, Israel(of course), MENA as a whole, and etc without taking this issue into account. We have to acknowledge Jewish power, Jewish history, Jewish mindset, Jewish character. (If US were 2% Iranian, and if Iranian-Americans had the kind of power now possessed by Jews, there would be no way to understand America without acknowledging Iranian-American power and how it is shaped by Iranian sense of identity and interest. Jewish scholars study all cultures critically and Jewish reporters cover all nations and cultures critically to better understand them. So, we need to take a critical look at Jewish power and what it means for gentiles, especially those hated, feared, or despised by Jews.)
    The reason for the overt Jewish hostility to white identity and interests in US, Canada, and EU has something to do with Jewish fear and paranoia about white gentile majority challenge to Jewish elite power and the holy narrative of the eternal Jewish victim that sustains it.

    Now, the Alt Right can approach this sensibly or get too near 14/88 that just wallows in cartoonish anti-Jewish memes and really just another kind of PC that is blind and closed to truth, honesty, and integrity.

    Alt Right must not become a cartoon-movement nor should it get over its head.

    Bannon used Alt Right as shock troops like the Neocons used far-right activists in Maidan, only to turn against them.

    So, if Trump wants to keep a distance between himself and Alt Right, that is good for Alt Right since its main asset is freedom of thought, dissent, and discourse.
    It is more useful as shock-thought than shock-troop.
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  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Never say “never”.

    Maybe, after the media have tried for so long and so intently to replace the people, the people will replace the media.

    Internet worries the élite a lot; you don’t need millions of dollars to have a voice on the Internet. The subjects can speak through the Internet. And some are speaking.

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  74. TheBoom says:
    @Kiza
    I have a simple rule for the consumption of MSM (if one really must stoop as low): just turn everything the MSM say or show to its opposite – and you will be close to the truth, if they say it is black then it is white, if they say it is white then it is black, who they attack is a good guy, who they promote is worthless trash and so on. This rule really works.

    Now I would not want them to invalidate Kiza's MSM rule by turning honest and truthful overnight, would I?

    You are absolutely right that the Internet spelled the end of the monopoly on the news, which is why the MSM are so desperate to censor the so called "fake news" competitors. It appears that the Western MSM, an ugly hybrid of the Government propaganda and a marginally profitable business, have owners who can declare the competition’s products to be the low quality “fakes” and get the main gate-keepers, that is the supermarkets such as Facebook, Google and Twitter, to remove those products from their shelves? How many businesses in this World would dream of being given the privilege of deciding on the true quality of the competitors’ products? Obviously, the Western MSM businesses are as privileged (because the MSM owners also own the governments). Is this not a clear case of anti-competitive behavior and collusion of dominant market players?

    How many businesses in this World would dream of being given the privilege of deciding on the true quality of the competitors’ products?

    Spot on. In any other context, the idea that a company should the trusted source of which of its competitors should be able to compete would be laughable. In business, companies try to achieve this by influencing the press, analysts and regulators but they can’t do it in an official capacity as gatekeepers. The MSM feel threatened financially and politically by the upstarts. That can’t be allowed to continue.

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  75. jack ryan says: • Website
    @Fran Macadam
    The NYT and Wapo have definitely jumped the shark. Why, I just looked, and they're not reporting that meeting between Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and President-elect Trump, probably because it's not news that fits ... their narrative of the out of control war monger alarmism.

    Gabbard, you see, has views about Syria and the useless wars, more in line with Trump's campaign skepticism.

    In any case, Trump's using social media to go over the heads of the talking heads, and just released a YouTube video outlining his agenda, unfiltered by elite media handwringing.

    Do you have a link to Trump’s YouTube video outlining his agenda?

    Thanks

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  76. iffen says:
    @geokat62
    I can do you one better:

    "In order to remove these malignant doubts, it would be good to have some anti-Semitism in America. Not serious anti-Semitism, not pogroms, not persecutions that will empty America from its Jews, as we need them there, but just a taste of this pungent stuff, so that we can restore our faith in Zionism." - Yaron London, an Israeli media personality, writing in Ynet.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/zionist-dershowitz-politicizing/
     

    but just a taste of this pungent stuff

    I knew it!

    I have written it here more than once.

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.

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    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.
     
    So, iffen, perhaps you could confirm something for us. Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?
    , @Art
    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.

    Why are you so obsessed with my IQ - you are sure being mean, bringing it up all the time.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Moshe wonders if you are becoming senile or have dementia - repeating the same numbers over and over is sure sign - I hope NOT!
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  77. Yeah, well Trump forgives Hillary (Campaign promise to prosecute her), now he shits on the Alt.right, his Admin is now filled with NeoCons. Outreach to Blacks and Democrats, full on-pander. Might as well have had Hillary. God Damn it.

    Cheated again. Never vote Republican, can’t trust them. If you’re going to have a soft-ass Republican, you might as well have the Democrat so the Democrat can have full credit for their destruction. Trump? He grabbed his pussy.

    #FuckTrump.

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    Come on.

    He wasn't going to prosecute her. Besides, his shellacking of her was total that it would seem cruel to waste time on her. Let her fade away.

    As president, he has to be leader of whole nation. He was never part of Alt Right, and he has to distance himself. It's necessary. Besides, the whole point of Alt Right is to play vanguard and dissenting role, not to be part of the power structure.

    His administration has some neocon types, but it's far less neoconny than had Rubio or Jeb won.

    He has to make outreach to blacks to win in 2020. It's just smart politics. He has to convince blacks that immigration is bad for them. That will really hurt the Democrats.

    And he has to reach out to Working Class Democrats.

    Trump's won with some traditional Democrat voters.

    He was never an arch-conservative.

    Alt Right's role is to be honest, forthright, and brazen.

    Politics is about compromise and making alliances. It's the ONLY thing that will work for the time being. Nothing changes overnight in a democratic society.

    It's like that song, 'You can't always get what you want'.
    , @Chaban
    And -- he's not repealing Obamacare after all; he has changed his mind on the "foreign registry"; he has changed his mind on torture (does not matter anyway... it's been going since the dawn of time and will keep going, regardless of what politicians say); and the wall is not necessary after all... perhaps a fence in some places... He is thinking of appointing Romney Secretary of State. Oh and -- did you see the dithyrambic article on his son-in-law Jared Kushner in Forbes today? Turns out Jared is quite the orthodox chosen one... spends a lot of energy to further an agenda favoring a very special chosen kind of people...

    Ha ha ha ha ha! I predicted (I may even have posted comments here on Unz about this) this guy, Trump, would be installed towards the end of the primaries. It was just too easy. Remember that to kill a politician, you just don't cover them at all, either positively or negatively. No. Publicity. Period.

    I also theorized that this is extremely bad news for western Europe. For me, Trump was installed to calm the fears, and mounting rebellion, of the western world in the face of the current invasion. A few hints on what may come were dropped during the campaign: Trump's repeated message on how difficult it is for Europeans to immigrate to the U.S. (it is!)

    They will reform the immigration system to facilite the immigration of Europe's top human resources (once easier, the most qualified Europeans will come rushing to the U.S. They are all desperate for a way out anyway), leaving the lower classes to fend for themselves, destroying the only true competitor the U.S. has ever had. WWI and WWII were just rounds 1 and 2... and the organized migration of the last two years sets the stage for the kill... if you go to Paris or Brussels, you can see it's already basically over.

    You see, the elites are ALWAYS ahead of the sheep. You CANNOT beat them at their own game, using their own rules, as some people suggest Trump did (by the way, it turns out sonny-in-law Jared relied quite a bit on "perception manipulation" through social media in the campaign he ran for daddy-in-law).

    They know the mood has been extremely anti-maintstream in the last 2-3 years. They knew that by attacking Trump, they would make him popular (ref. the "Kiza" binary system of thinking above... only the sheep would rely on such absolutes... do you think the elites are not aware masses of people now think as you do?). The more they went after him, the more the plebs got behind him. You people actually believe those who control the mass media were not aware of that fact? Those people rule the world. They control almost all the wealth in this world. YOU don't. They are alway ahead of you.

    Please don't resort to the "you would have preferred Hillary?" argument. It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Reads. Teleprompters. From. The. White. House. They are all just "faces" cast by the elites for strategic purposes.

    Remember how happy Arab leaders were in 2008 when their "brother" Obama got elected? Even Assad was! Gaddafi would write personal letters to his "brother Baracka" for crying out loud. Ha ha ha! The truth is, Obama and Trump are on the same team.

    The Trump casting was designed to stifle the mounting white disillusionment to make sure they go back to sleep and do not thwart the plan that has been in place for the last 70 years. The worst thing that could happen to those people is for white countries (particularly western Europe) to realize what is going on right now, when they are so close to reaching their goal.

    And now Europe will pay for it. Big time! (I pity all those European nationalists that are ecstatic right now... look what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and a few others... look at the hell they unleashed across the Arab world following the election of their "brother"... which, to pre-empt the kind of argument coming my way, does not mean I want those people in Europe... on the contrary, I want them all out).

    And if I were Putin, I would keep my guard up right not, more than ever.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " You have a few hundred years worth of karmic debt, I believe is coming due".

    Bullshit there is no such thing as " Karma" or "Karmic debt".

    This being nothing more than religious hocus-pocus, wrapped up in an atheist viewpoint.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years, and pro jazz artist.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Yeah well DT forgives HC" .

    He probably knows that she is finshed anyway, healthwise.

    "Cheated again, Never vote Republican".

    Okay so are you implying that democrats however can be trusted?

    Look just go register as a democrat and the matter is resolved.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
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  78. Hibernian says:
    @Rehmat
    Just count the warmongering Jews and Zionist Christians in Trump Team to find out what terrible future American and world would face under Trump administration.

    Donald Trump is 101% JUDAS GOAT - and the Zionist mainstream media is trying to hide that fact from the public by demonizing him.

    On November 18, Jewish-controlled mainstream media reported that president-elect Donald Trump has appointed retired US Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn as his senior national security adviser. He most probably would be replacing Barack Obama’s senior national security adviser Dr. Susan Rice. Both Flynn and Rice are ‘Israel-loving’ Zionist Christians.

    Michael T. Flynn, like Donald Trump, is anti-Muslim, and pro-Russia.

    In July 2016, in an interview at Fox News’ The Kelly File, commenting on Nice and Munich terrorist attacks Flynn demanded that Kings of Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei should condemn their ‘radical Islamic ideology’.

    I don’t expect Flynn to call upon Pope Francis, Archbishop Justin Welby and Chief Rabbi Mirvis to condemn their ‘radical Judeo-Christian ideology’ even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians.

    Like Benjamin Netanyahu, Flynn too suffers from severe attack of Islamophobia by suggesting he may be OK with killing the families of suspected terrorists and tweeting, “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.”

    FBI reported in 2006 that Muslim extremists were involved in 6% of anti-US terrorist events as compared to 7% by Jew fanatics and the rest by Christians, Communists and others.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/19/meet-trump-israel-loving-national-security-adviser/

    “even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians.”

    Do you understand why she’s a FORMER Congresswoman? What an unimpeachable source!

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    "she’s a FORMER Congresswoman..."
    What is wrong with being a former congresswoman among the current for-sale congresspeople in the US Congress?
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  79. Hibernian says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji
    I find it interesting that NPR and BBC (which, if they were Russian, would've been called 'government-controlled') appear the most neutral. Which seems to indicated that the anti-Trump-hatred campaign is not as much party-politics-partisan as conducted by the media-owning oligarchy...

    “(which, if they were Russian, would’ve been called ‘government-controlled’)”

    They ARE government controlled. I don’t think anyone from furthest left to furthest right could deny that, plausibly, although some leftists would probably try.

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  80. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Trump just needs to be tough with the media. Never give an inch, like the Stampers said in SOMETIMES A GREAT NOTION.

    Trump needs to be like Jonathan Winters.

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  81. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    but just a taste of this pungent stuff

    I knew it!

    I have written it here more than once.

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.

    So, iffen, perhaps you could confirm something for us. Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?

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    So, iffen, perhaps you could confirm something for us. Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?

    My meager efforts are gratis; for love of hearth and home. As to the 88s, ask them yourself, you converse freely with them.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?
     
    US taxpayers pay the Nazi hunters.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Investigations_(United_States_Department_of_Justice)

    Therefore, Israelis must pay more to the current-day Nazis.
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  82. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Christian
    Yeah, well Trump forgives Hillary (Campaign promise to prosecute her), now he shits on the Alt.right, his Admin is now filled with NeoCons. Outreach to Blacks and Democrats, full on-pander. Might as well have had Hillary. God Damn it.

    Cheated again. Never vote Republican, can't trust them. If you're going to have a soft-ass Republican, you might as well have the Democrat so the Democrat can have full credit for their destruction. Trump? He grabbed his pussy.

    #FuckTrump.

    Come on.

    He wasn’t going to prosecute her. Besides, his shellacking of her was total that it would seem cruel to waste time on her. Let her fade away.

    As president, he has to be leader of whole nation. He was never part of Alt Right, and he has to distance himself. It’s necessary. Besides, the whole point of Alt Right is to play vanguard and dissenting role, not to be part of the power structure.

    His administration has some neocon types, but it’s far less neoconny than had Rubio or Jeb won.

    He has to make outreach to blacks to win in 2020. It’s just smart politics. He has to convince blacks that immigration is bad for them. That will really hurt the Democrats.

    And he has to reach out to Working Class Democrats.

    Trump’s won with some traditional Democrat voters.

    He was never an arch-conservative.

    Alt Right’s role is to be honest, forthright, and brazen.

    Politics is about compromise and making alliances. It’s the ONLY thing that will work for the time being. Nothing changes overnight in a democratic society.

    It’s like that song, ‘You can’t always get what you want’.

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  83. @Rehmat
    Don't worry - I can wait when Flynn and Trump decided to follow their ancestors what they did to your Jewish ancestors - Can you?

    Your sentence doesn’t make sense.

    And I’m glad to say I’m not Jewish. They’re just the flip side of their mentally and socially retarded cousins, the Arabs. I’d be happier if neither group were allowed into our countries.

    Try again, oh clever worshipper of the pedophile “prophet” (disgust be upon him).

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  84. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @TheBoom
    The MSM has always been incredibly biased and I agree that now the Internet helps to expose the bias. However, there are a few trends that have changed things:

    1. Carlos Slim and Bezos buying the top two papers that the other incestuous media refer to for the narrative du jour. Neither comes from a media background and are used to corporate PR. In PR you don't have to pretend to be objective.

    2. Financial problems with the whole MSM business model du to an aging and declining viewership/readership. They are frantically looking for ways to stand out and get publicity.

    3. Globalists who control the MSM and who have had it easy in implementing their agenda now feel threatened. They are furious that the rabble is rebelling against it.

    4. An administration which has hated the rabble (white version) as much as the media and has colluded with them.

    “The MSM has always been incredibly biased and I agree that now the Internet helps to expose the bias.”

    I hope they become ever more biased. More brazenly and hysterically biased they become, the more credibility they lose.
    Media-verse is now like a cartoon of the news.

    It’s the law of diminishing returns.
    When the media were once trusted, they could incrementally increase the bias to manipulate the public. Since they had the trust of the public, the public was blind to the bias out of trust and respect for newsmen.

    But as the bias increased ever more, people became aware of the bias, and this awareness led to loss of respect and trust for the media.

    And after 8 yrs of crooning about Obama and the totally ludicrous coverage of 2016, people notice the bias factor more than anything else in the news. Some people may agree with the bias for ideological reasons, but even they don’t trust the media as a reliable and/or objective source of information.

    Anyway, the first step in the reduction of bias and return to health requires a honest discussion of ethnic power in the US. It is a fact that the US is ruled by the ethnic power of Jewish Globalists, for good or ill(depending on one’s point of view).

    The MSM hysteria about ‘white privilege’ merely obfuscates true discussion of where the real power is.

    If the media freak out about Alt Right, it is because of this very issue. For one thing, the academia and media are heavily controlled by Jews who shape perceptions of journalism students and do the hiring. Only PC-vetted applicants will be hired.

    There are certain things about Alt Right that is offensive and risible — Alt Right ranges from sane dissent to those close to 14/88 — , but its eyes are wide open about the true nature of power in the US.
    No other group or movement is willing to address this issue with such candor. (To be sure, there are individuals, Jews included, who are aware of this issue and bring it up on occasion, but only the Alt Right and few others have a sustained interest in this most important subject. After all, what is politics about but power, and how can anyone understand what is really happening without addressing the issue of who has the real power and what this means in terms of bias and agenda?)
    To honestly discuss the WHY of US domestic policy, foreign policy, culture, and ‘values’, we need to understand Jewish Power, its agenda, its likes and hates, its worldview, its interests, and its own kind of ethnic neurosis that makes so many powerful Jews act the way they do.

    There is no way to understand US relation with Russia, Iran, Israel(of course), MENA as a whole, and etc without taking this issue into account. We have to acknowledge Jewish power, Jewish history, Jewish mindset, Jewish character. (If US were 2% Iranian, and if Iranian-Americans had the kind of power now possessed by Jews, there would be no way to understand America without acknowledging Iranian-American power and how it is shaped by Iranian sense of identity and interest. Jewish scholars study all cultures critically and Jewish reporters cover all nations and cultures critically to better understand them. So, we need to take a critical look at Jewish power and what it means for gentiles, especially those hated, feared, or despised by Jews.)
    The reason for the overt Jewish hostility to white identity and interests in US, Canada, and EU has something to do with Jewish fear and paranoia about white gentile majority challenge to Jewish elite power and the holy narrative of the eternal Jewish victim that sustains it.

    Now, the Alt Right can approach this sensibly or get too near 14/88 that just wallows in cartoonish anti-Jewish memes and really just another kind of PC that is blind and closed to truth, honesty, and integrity.

    Alt Right must not become a cartoon-movement nor should it get over its head.

    Bannon used Alt Right as shock troops like the Neocons used far-right activists in Maidan, only to turn against them.

    So, if Trump wants to keep a distance between himself and Alt Right, that is good for Alt Right since its main asset is freedom of thought, dissent, and discourse.
    It is more useful as shock-thought than shock-troop.

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    Trump was allowed to win because the Zionists recognized that he can give them a free reign in the Middle East and the Final Solution of Israel borders. In exchange they will shield him from the assault by the liberal NWO Jews. Putin made a similar deal several years ago by building up his relationship with the Orthodox and Chassidim.

    In a bigger picture it all comes down to the role for Russia in the end game for the world domination. Under Obama the Brzezinski faction (and neocons) wanted Russia eliminated risking pushing it in the embrace of China. Russia does not see itself as a the ally of China. Russia wants to go with the West but on its own terms.

    The Plan for the execution of the end game was changed with regard of Russia. Russia will play to the end. Did Putin make an offer to Netanyahu that he could not refuse? What was it? The Doomsday Machine in the Middle East?
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  85. utu says:
    @Anon
    "The MSM has always been incredibly biased and I agree that now the Internet helps to expose the bias."

    I hope they become ever more biased. More brazenly and hysterically biased they become, the more credibility they lose.
    Media-verse is now like a cartoon of the news.

    It's the law of diminishing returns.
    When the media were once trusted, they could incrementally increase the bias to manipulate the public. Since they had the trust of the public, the public was blind to the bias out of trust and respect for newsmen.

    But as the bias increased ever more, people became aware of the bias, and this awareness led to loss of respect and trust for the media.

    And after 8 yrs of crooning about Obama and the totally ludicrous coverage of 2016, people notice the bias factor more than anything else in the news. Some people may agree with the bias for ideological reasons, but even they don't trust the media as a reliable and/or objective source of information.

    Anyway, the first step in the reduction of bias and return to health requires a honest discussion of ethnic power in the US. It is a fact that the US is ruled by the ethnic power of Jewish Globalists, for good or ill(depending on one's point of view).

    The MSM hysteria about 'white privilege' merely obfuscates true discussion of where the real power is.

    If the media freak out about Alt Right, it is because of this very issue. For one thing, the academia and media are heavily controlled by Jews who shape perceptions of journalism students and do the hiring. Only PC-vetted applicants will be hired.

    There are certain things about Alt Right that is offensive and risible --- Alt Right ranges from sane dissent to those close to 14/88 --- , but its eyes are wide open about the true nature of power in the US.
    No other group or movement is willing to address this issue with such candor. (To be sure, there are individuals, Jews included, who are aware of this issue and bring it up on occasion, but only the Alt Right and few others have a sustained interest in this most important subject. After all, what is politics about but power, and how can anyone understand what is really happening without addressing the issue of who has the real power and what this means in terms of bias and agenda?)
    To honestly discuss the WHY of US domestic policy, foreign policy, culture, and 'values', we need to understand Jewish Power, its agenda, its likes and hates, its worldview, its interests, and its own kind of ethnic neurosis that makes so many powerful Jews act the way they do.

    There is no way to understand US relation with Russia, Iran, Israel(of course), MENA as a whole, and etc without taking this issue into account. We have to acknowledge Jewish power, Jewish history, Jewish mindset, Jewish character. (If US were 2% Iranian, and if Iranian-Americans had the kind of power now possessed by Jews, there would be no way to understand America without acknowledging Iranian-American power and how it is shaped by Iranian sense of identity and interest. Jewish scholars study all cultures critically and Jewish reporters cover all nations and cultures critically to better understand them. So, we need to take a critical look at Jewish power and what it means for gentiles, especially those hated, feared, or despised by Jews.)
    The reason for the overt Jewish hostility to white identity and interests in US, Canada, and EU has something to do with Jewish fear and paranoia about white gentile majority challenge to Jewish elite power and the holy narrative of the eternal Jewish victim that sustains it.

    Now, the Alt Right can approach this sensibly or get too near 14/88 that just wallows in cartoonish anti-Jewish memes and really just another kind of PC that is blind and closed to truth, honesty, and integrity.

    Alt Right must not become a cartoon-movement nor should it get over its head.

    Bannon used Alt Right as shock troops like the Neocons used far-right activists in Maidan, only to turn against them.

    So, if Trump wants to keep a distance between himself and Alt Right, that is good for Alt Right since its main asset is freedom of thought, dissent, and discourse.
    It is more useful as shock-thought than shock-troop.

    Trump was allowed to win because the Zionists recognized that he can give them a free reign in the Middle East and the Final Solution of Israel borders. In exchange they will shield him from the assault by the liberal NWO Jews. Putin made a similar deal several years ago by building up his relationship with the Orthodox and Chassidim.

    In a bigger picture it all comes down to the role for Russia in the end game for the world domination. Under Obama the Brzezinski faction (and neocons) wanted Russia eliminated risking pushing it in the embrace of China. Russia does not see itself as a the ally of China. Russia wants to go with the West but on its own terms.

    The Plan for the execution of the end game was changed with regard of Russia. Russia will play to the end. Did Putin make an offer to Netanyahu that he could not refuse? What was it? The Doomsday Machine in the Middle East?

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    Sounds valid.

    We'll have to see how it plays out.

    But I'm not sure Zionists have been effective at shielding Trump from MSM and other big institutions.

    And Putin's closeness to Israel and Hasidim didn't protect him at all from Glob fury. Not one bit.
    , @dahoit
    You cannot separate the borg into left or right,they are all left here,as it is divide and conquer,but all right there(Israel),as its all together now.
    No,the zionists are going to be given an offer they can't refuse,as Trump knows it is the nexus of our dilemma in the ME.
    Hopefully he will force an ending to this 21st century regressive nonsense over their insane id of superiority and chosenness that clouds their alleged intellect.Let them have West Jerusalem and give the Palestinians East?
    America first demands a solution.
    Rehmat;You are what they call a tough audience.
    Whom did you vote for this election,or are you non-American?
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  86. Chaban says:
    @Jim Christian
    Yeah, well Trump forgives Hillary (Campaign promise to prosecute her), now he shits on the Alt.right, his Admin is now filled with NeoCons. Outreach to Blacks and Democrats, full on-pander. Might as well have had Hillary. God Damn it.

    Cheated again. Never vote Republican, can't trust them. If you're going to have a soft-ass Republican, you might as well have the Democrat so the Democrat can have full credit for their destruction. Trump? He grabbed his pussy.

    #FuckTrump.

    And — he’s not repealing Obamacare after all; he has changed his mind on the “foreign registry”; he has changed his mind on torture (does not matter anyway… it’s been going since the dawn of time and will keep going, regardless of what politicians say); and the wall is not necessary after all… perhaps a fence in some places… He is thinking of appointing Romney Secretary of State. Oh and — did you see the dithyrambic article on his son-in-law Jared Kushner in Forbes today? Turns out Jared is quite the orthodox chosen one… spends a lot of energy to further an agenda favoring a very special chosen kind of people…

    Ha ha ha ha ha! I predicted (I may even have posted comments here on Unz about this) this guy, Trump, would be installed towards the end of the primaries. It was just too easy. Remember that to kill a politician, you just don’t cover them at all, either positively or negatively. No. Publicity. Period.

    I also theorized that this is extremely bad news for western Europe. For me, Trump was installed to calm the fears, and mounting rebellion, of the western world in the face of the current invasion. A few hints on what may come were dropped during the campaign: Trump’s repeated message on how difficult it is for Europeans to immigrate to the U.S. (it is!)

    They will reform the immigration system to facilite the immigration of Europe’s top human resources (once easier, the most qualified Europeans will come rushing to the U.S. They are all desperate for a way out anyway), leaving the lower classes to fend for themselves, destroying the only true competitor the U.S. has ever had. WWI and WWII were just rounds 1 and 2… and the organized migration of the last two years sets the stage for the kill… if you go to Paris or Brussels, you can see it’s already basically over.

    You see, the elites are ALWAYS ahead of the sheep. You CANNOT beat them at their own game, using their own rules, as some people suggest Trump did (by the way, it turns out sonny-in-law Jared relied quite a bit on “perception manipulation” through social media in the campaign he ran for daddy-in-law).

    They know the mood has been extremely anti-maintstream in the last 2-3 years. They knew that by attacking Trump, they would make him popular (ref. the “Kiza” binary system of thinking above… only the sheep would rely on such absolutes… do you think the elites are not aware masses of people now think as you do?). The more they went after him, the more the plebs got behind him. You people actually believe those who control the mass media were not aware of that fact? Those people rule the world. They control almost all the wealth in this world. YOU don’t. They are alway ahead of you.

    Please don’t resort to the “you would have preferred Hillary?” argument. It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Reads. Teleprompters. From. The. White. House. They are all just “faces” cast by the elites for strategic purposes.

    Remember how happy Arab leaders were in 2008 when their “brother” Obama got elected? Even Assad was! Gaddafi would write personal letters to his “brother Baracka” for crying out loud. Ha ha ha! The truth is, Obama and Trump are on the same team.

    The Trump casting was designed to stifle the mounting white disillusionment to make sure they go back to sleep and do not thwart the plan that has been in place for the last 70 years. The worst thing that could happen to those people is for white countries (particularly western Europe) to realize what is going on right now, when they are so close to reaching their goal.

    And now Europe will pay for it. Big time! (I pity all those European nationalists that are ecstatic right now… look what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and a few others… look at the hell they unleashed across the Arab world following the election of their “brother”… which, to pre-empt the kind of argument coming my way, does not mean I want those people in Europe… on the contrary, I want them all out).

    And if I were Putin, I would keep my guard up right not, more than ever.

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    Many of those criticisms are only speculative as most of the criticism of Trump has been. Let us wait and see shall we? Trump isn't the messiah, but what do you expect? The USA isn't getting off that lightly. You have a few hundred years worth of karmic debt I believe is coming due and Trump. nor anyone will save you. (USA) At best Trump may lessen the impact on the rest of the world that is all, but you're going down regardless.
    , @Rabbitnexus
    Your analysis syffers from being coloured by your own acceptance of the lies about Islam and it's adherants. You're more of a puppet yourself than you realise actually. Sorry to say your effort wasn't worth the time it took to read.
    , @Hibernian
    "Remember that to kill a politician, you just don’t cover them at all, either positively or negatively. No. Publicity. Period."

    That's what they did with Jim Webb and Gary Johnson.
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  87. BDJUSA says:

    Trump should do a Google search Israel did 911.

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  88. @Avery
    {A move guaranteed to weaken his base and also remove a potent weapon from his arsenal.}

    I don't think so.

    The Clintons are damaged goods. I read somewhere donations to the Clinton Foundation plunged 40% right after the election. Ignoring her is the rigth thing to do.
    Trump has to be above it: pursuing The Hildabeast might be satisfying to people, but is fraught with potential land mines. He might look petty.
    She might win any criminal trial, and that will damage the Trump brand.

    It is more important for Trump to right USS America, which had been headed to crash over the shoals. That is also why he settled Trump U case for $25 million. No doubt it hurt his pride, but it was the correct decision. Last thing he needs as POTUS is to waste time in a civil trail.

    The Sore Losers, the Snowflakes, the 'protesters' aka SorosaMobs, the MSM, all the riff raff...... want to and will try to neutralize him by entangling him in peripheral issues.

    As long as he delivers on core issues, people who voted for him will forget about Crooked Hillary, as I see it.

    You have made some excellent points, we’ll see. He’ll need good security whatever he does and I think Machiavelli prescribed going in early and hard. Presidential pardons have devalued the presidency itself of late.

    No question he has work of great magnitude ahead and we wish him well.

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  89. He’s already walked back the uglier and more extremist stuff he was on about, as I said he would, that was just pacing and leading his base and even though a few of his appointments and even more of those rumoured are far from good choices, some are atrocious in fact, the continued refusal of the media to take their place and start showing even a modicum of respect for him or us, or to acknowledge their disgrace is only keeping him looking good in my eyes.

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  90. @Chaban
    And -- he's not repealing Obamacare after all; he has changed his mind on the "foreign registry"; he has changed his mind on torture (does not matter anyway... it's been going since the dawn of time and will keep going, regardless of what politicians say); and the wall is not necessary after all... perhaps a fence in some places... He is thinking of appointing Romney Secretary of State. Oh and -- did you see the dithyrambic article on his son-in-law Jared Kushner in Forbes today? Turns out Jared is quite the orthodox chosen one... spends a lot of energy to further an agenda favoring a very special chosen kind of people...

    Ha ha ha ha ha! I predicted (I may even have posted comments here on Unz about this) this guy, Trump, would be installed towards the end of the primaries. It was just too easy. Remember that to kill a politician, you just don't cover them at all, either positively or negatively. No. Publicity. Period.

    I also theorized that this is extremely bad news for western Europe. For me, Trump was installed to calm the fears, and mounting rebellion, of the western world in the face of the current invasion. A few hints on what may come were dropped during the campaign: Trump's repeated message on how difficult it is for Europeans to immigrate to the U.S. (it is!)

    They will reform the immigration system to facilite the immigration of Europe's top human resources (once easier, the most qualified Europeans will come rushing to the U.S. They are all desperate for a way out anyway), leaving the lower classes to fend for themselves, destroying the only true competitor the U.S. has ever had. WWI and WWII were just rounds 1 and 2... and the organized migration of the last two years sets the stage for the kill... if you go to Paris or Brussels, you can see it's already basically over.

    You see, the elites are ALWAYS ahead of the sheep. You CANNOT beat them at their own game, using their own rules, as some people suggest Trump did (by the way, it turns out sonny-in-law Jared relied quite a bit on "perception manipulation" through social media in the campaign he ran for daddy-in-law).

    They know the mood has been extremely anti-maintstream in the last 2-3 years. They knew that by attacking Trump, they would make him popular (ref. the "Kiza" binary system of thinking above... only the sheep would rely on such absolutes... do you think the elites are not aware masses of people now think as you do?). The more they went after him, the more the plebs got behind him. You people actually believe those who control the mass media were not aware of that fact? Those people rule the world. They control almost all the wealth in this world. YOU don't. They are alway ahead of you.

    Please don't resort to the "you would have preferred Hillary?" argument. It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Reads. Teleprompters. From. The. White. House. They are all just "faces" cast by the elites for strategic purposes.

    Remember how happy Arab leaders were in 2008 when their "brother" Obama got elected? Even Assad was! Gaddafi would write personal letters to his "brother Baracka" for crying out loud. Ha ha ha! The truth is, Obama and Trump are on the same team.

    The Trump casting was designed to stifle the mounting white disillusionment to make sure they go back to sleep and do not thwart the plan that has been in place for the last 70 years. The worst thing that could happen to those people is for white countries (particularly western Europe) to realize what is going on right now, when they are so close to reaching their goal.

    And now Europe will pay for it. Big time! (I pity all those European nationalists that are ecstatic right now... look what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and a few others... look at the hell they unleashed across the Arab world following the election of their "brother"... which, to pre-empt the kind of argument coming my way, does not mean I want those people in Europe... on the contrary, I want them all out).

    And if I were Putin, I would keep my guard up right not, more than ever.

    Many of those criticisms are only speculative as most of the criticism of Trump has been. Let us wait and see shall we? Trump isn’t the messiah, but what do you expect? The USA isn’t getting off that lightly. You have a few hundred years worth of karmic debt I believe is coming due and Trump. nor anyone will save you. (USA) At best Trump may lessen the impact on the rest of the world that is all, but you’re going down regardless.

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    That's what you got out of my comment? Wow!
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  91. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @utu
    Trump was allowed to win because the Zionists recognized that he can give them a free reign in the Middle East and the Final Solution of Israel borders. In exchange they will shield him from the assault by the liberal NWO Jews. Putin made a similar deal several years ago by building up his relationship with the Orthodox and Chassidim.

    In a bigger picture it all comes down to the role for Russia in the end game for the world domination. Under Obama the Brzezinski faction (and neocons) wanted Russia eliminated risking pushing it in the embrace of China. Russia does not see itself as a the ally of China. Russia wants to go with the West but on its own terms.

    The Plan for the execution of the end game was changed with regard of Russia. Russia will play to the end. Did Putin make an offer to Netanyahu that he could not refuse? What was it? The Doomsday Machine in the Middle East?

    Sounds valid.

    We’ll have to see how it plays out.

    But I’m not sure Zionists have been effective at shielding Trump from MSM and other big institutions.

    And Putin’s closeness to Israel and Hasidim didn’t protect him at all from Glob fury. Not one bit.

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  92. @Chaban
    And -- he's not repealing Obamacare after all; he has changed his mind on the "foreign registry"; he has changed his mind on torture (does not matter anyway... it's been going since the dawn of time and will keep going, regardless of what politicians say); and the wall is not necessary after all... perhaps a fence in some places... He is thinking of appointing Romney Secretary of State. Oh and -- did you see the dithyrambic article on his son-in-law Jared Kushner in Forbes today? Turns out Jared is quite the orthodox chosen one... spends a lot of energy to further an agenda favoring a very special chosen kind of people...

    Ha ha ha ha ha! I predicted (I may even have posted comments here on Unz about this) this guy, Trump, would be installed towards the end of the primaries. It was just too easy. Remember that to kill a politician, you just don't cover them at all, either positively or negatively. No. Publicity. Period.

    I also theorized that this is extremely bad news for western Europe. For me, Trump was installed to calm the fears, and mounting rebellion, of the western world in the face of the current invasion. A few hints on what may come were dropped during the campaign: Trump's repeated message on how difficult it is for Europeans to immigrate to the U.S. (it is!)

    They will reform the immigration system to facilite the immigration of Europe's top human resources (once easier, the most qualified Europeans will come rushing to the U.S. They are all desperate for a way out anyway), leaving the lower classes to fend for themselves, destroying the only true competitor the U.S. has ever had. WWI and WWII were just rounds 1 and 2... and the organized migration of the last two years sets the stage for the kill... if you go to Paris or Brussels, you can see it's already basically over.

    You see, the elites are ALWAYS ahead of the sheep. You CANNOT beat them at their own game, using their own rules, as some people suggest Trump did (by the way, it turns out sonny-in-law Jared relied quite a bit on "perception manipulation" through social media in the campaign he ran for daddy-in-law).

    They know the mood has been extremely anti-maintstream in the last 2-3 years. They knew that by attacking Trump, they would make him popular (ref. the "Kiza" binary system of thinking above... only the sheep would rely on such absolutes... do you think the elites are not aware masses of people now think as you do?). The more they went after him, the more the plebs got behind him. You people actually believe those who control the mass media were not aware of that fact? Those people rule the world. They control almost all the wealth in this world. YOU don't. They are alway ahead of you.

    Please don't resort to the "you would have preferred Hillary?" argument. It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Reads. Teleprompters. From. The. White. House. They are all just "faces" cast by the elites for strategic purposes.

    Remember how happy Arab leaders were in 2008 when their "brother" Obama got elected? Even Assad was! Gaddafi would write personal letters to his "brother Baracka" for crying out loud. Ha ha ha! The truth is, Obama and Trump are on the same team.

    The Trump casting was designed to stifle the mounting white disillusionment to make sure they go back to sleep and do not thwart the plan that has been in place for the last 70 years. The worst thing that could happen to those people is for white countries (particularly western Europe) to realize what is going on right now, when they are so close to reaching their goal.

    And now Europe will pay for it. Big time! (I pity all those European nationalists that are ecstatic right now... look what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and a few others... look at the hell they unleashed across the Arab world following the election of their "brother"... which, to pre-empt the kind of argument coming my way, does not mean I want those people in Europe... on the contrary, I want them all out).

    And if I were Putin, I would keep my guard up right not, more than ever.

    Your analysis syffers from being coloured by your own acceptance of the lies about Islam and it’s adherants. You’re more of a puppet yourself than you realise actually. Sorry to say your effort wasn’t worth the time it took to read.

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  93. Kiza says:
    @Avery
    {A move guaranteed to weaken his base and also remove a potent weapon from his arsenal.}

    I don't think so.

    The Clintons are damaged goods. I read somewhere donations to the Clinton Foundation plunged 40% right after the election. Ignoring her is the rigth thing to do.
    Trump has to be above it: pursuing The Hildabeast might be satisfying to people, but is fraught with potential land mines. He might look petty.
    She might win any criminal trial, and that will damage the Trump brand.

    It is more important for Trump to right USS America, which had been headed to crash over the shoals. That is also why he settled Trump U case for $25 million. No doubt it hurt his pride, but it was the correct decision. Last thing he needs as POTUS is to waste time in a civil trail.

    The Sore Losers, the Snowflakes, the 'protesters' aka SorosaMobs, the MSM, all the riff raff...... want to and will try to neutralize him by entangling him in peripheral issues.

    As long as he delivers on core issues, people who voted for him will forget about Crooked Hillary, as I see it.

    Yes, you do make good points Avery and I agree with you that even Hillary’s outrageous criminality is a peripheral issue for both President Trump and his voters. However, would you believe for one millisecond that Trump would have said: “She’s Been Through Enough”: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-hillary-shes-been-through-enough. That particular part from MSNBC immediately screamed: fabricated news.

    I am awaiting for Trump to finally realise that he cannot work with or through the MSM, absolutely no way. Braking MSM up would be extremely hard, painful and time consuming – it would take one Presidency to achieve.

    Therefore, he needs to find a way to circumvent MSM and find alternative access channels to his voters, which could be the “fake news” that the MSM so conveniently identified already. Why not send White House press releases to the “fake-news” first and then to everybody else? Then let MSM fabricate whatever reality their owners momentarily feel like and the presstitutes can be as smart on fabrications as they are not. One day the MSM will end up with the audience of only Soros and other Jewish SJW and the rest of Academia, DNC leadership plus the MSM owners. Then the old joke about TV in Enver Hoxha Albania will be relevant again, because the news always started with: “Good morning Mr President”.

    I am proud to be a Deplorable consuming exclusively the “fake-news”.

    Let us see first if they will manage to challenge the election results in the key states, six electors have already been switched over from Trump to Hillary. This is the first fight, all others come later.

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    {That particular part from MSNBC immediately screamed: fabricated news.}

    Exactly.

    {I am awaiting for Trump to finally realise that he cannot work with or through the MSM, absolutely no way.}

    I think he has known that since Day 1.
    During all the debates he was not shy about telling MSM scum what he thought of them. He openly mocked the moderators in one of the debates (don't remember which) for in effect shilling for Hillary.

    When he went out to dinner with family, he deliberately dissed the MSM filth, and they went nuts, because he supposedly "violated" some unwritten rule or protocol. What protocol?

    But most importantly Trump released a Youtube video a couple of days ago about what he is going to do, completely bypassing MSM, and not giving them the opportunity to fabricate what he supposedly said.

    As to election results and the Electoral college: Yeah, they are going to pull every dirty trick in their bag to try to resurrect the Anointed One. They never imagined with all the groundwork they had laid, all the dirt they had dug up on Trump, all the fake polls to discourage Trump voters,.....that The Hildabeast would lose and lose so massively.

    , @RobinG
    Dear Kiza, our Trump is way ahead of you. As Avery said, he's going direct to the people, and I posted his first P.E. video at #6 above. His tweets will be the news.

    Yeah, the sore loser liberals will flail around. They're not only trying to convert electors, they're petitioning for recounts in 3 states. But I think they know it's a lost cause because they're also planning big demonstrations for inauguration day and the day after ("Women's March on Washington" aka the whining vaginas).

    Trump has all the potential to be a truly great president, but I disagree with those who say "wait and see." This is precisely the time to endorse his best tendencies, such as improving relations with Russia and fighting IS, not Assad.
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  94. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    They’ll be even more dissapointed when it’s disclosed that so many things about humanitarian actions they covered were no more than a lie

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  95. @Verymuchalive
    You've hit the nail on the head. Mr Trump's views on economic nationalism, immigration and futile American wars are shared by a majority of white Americans. Print Media, Radio and TV stations advocating these views - whilst reporting the actual news in an honest manner - would be very successful. There is a massive gap in the market waiting to be filled by enterprising individuals and groups.

    Trump’s views on those things happen to coincide with all Americans, unless they’ve been misled as those who thought Clinton was anything but a criminal tool of the status quo were, by the media.. Many Muslims, Latinos and Black people voted for him actually.

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  96. Chaban says:
    @Rabbitnexus
    Many of those criticisms are only speculative as most of the criticism of Trump has been. Let us wait and see shall we? Trump isn't the messiah, but what do you expect? The USA isn't getting off that lightly. You have a few hundred years worth of karmic debt I believe is coming due and Trump. nor anyone will save you. (USA) At best Trump may lessen the impact on the rest of the world that is all, but you're going down regardless.

    That’s what you got out of my comment? Wow!

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  97. @Jim Christian
    Yeah, well Trump forgives Hillary (Campaign promise to prosecute her), now he shits on the Alt.right, his Admin is now filled with NeoCons. Outreach to Blacks and Democrats, full on-pander. Might as well have had Hillary. God Damn it.

    Cheated again. Never vote Republican, can't trust them. If you're going to have a soft-ass Republican, you might as well have the Democrat so the Democrat can have full credit for their destruction. Trump? He grabbed his pussy.

    #FuckTrump.

    ” You have a few hundred years worth of karmic debt, I believe is coming due”.

    Bullshit there is no such thing as ” Karma” or “Karmic debt”.

    This being nothing more than religious hocus-pocus, wrapped up in an atheist viewpoint.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years, and pro jazz artist.

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  98. @Jim Christian
    Yeah, well Trump forgives Hillary (Campaign promise to prosecute her), now he shits on the Alt.right, his Admin is now filled with NeoCons. Outreach to Blacks and Democrats, full on-pander. Might as well have had Hillary. God Damn it.

    Cheated again. Never vote Republican, can't trust them. If you're going to have a soft-ass Republican, you might as well have the Democrat so the Democrat can have full credit for their destruction. Trump? He grabbed his pussy.

    #FuckTrump.

    ” Yeah well DT forgives HC” .

    He probably knows that she is finshed anyway, healthwise.

    “Cheated again, Never vote Republican”.

    Okay so are you implying that democrats however can be trusted?

    Look just go register as a democrat and the matter is resolved.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  99. Hibernian says:
    @Chaban
    And -- he's not repealing Obamacare after all; he has changed his mind on the "foreign registry"; he has changed his mind on torture (does not matter anyway... it's been going since the dawn of time and will keep going, regardless of what politicians say); and the wall is not necessary after all... perhaps a fence in some places... He is thinking of appointing Romney Secretary of State. Oh and -- did you see the dithyrambic article on his son-in-law Jared Kushner in Forbes today? Turns out Jared is quite the orthodox chosen one... spends a lot of energy to further an agenda favoring a very special chosen kind of people...

    Ha ha ha ha ha! I predicted (I may even have posted comments here on Unz about this) this guy, Trump, would be installed towards the end of the primaries. It was just too easy. Remember that to kill a politician, you just don't cover them at all, either positively or negatively. No. Publicity. Period.

    I also theorized that this is extremely bad news for western Europe. For me, Trump was installed to calm the fears, and mounting rebellion, of the western world in the face of the current invasion. A few hints on what may come were dropped during the campaign: Trump's repeated message on how difficult it is for Europeans to immigrate to the U.S. (it is!)

    They will reform the immigration system to facilite the immigration of Europe's top human resources (once easier, the most qualified Europeans will come rushing to the U.S. They are all desperate for a way out anyway), leaving the lower classes to fend for themselves, destroying the only true competitor the U.S. has ever had. WWI and WWII were just rounds 1 and 2... and the organized migration of the last two years sets the stage for the kill... if you go to Paris or Brussels, you can see it's already basically over.

    You see, the elites are ALWAYS ahead of the sheep. You CANNOT beat them at their own game, using their own rules, as some people suggest Trump did (by the way, it turns out sonny-in-law Jared relied quite a bit on "perception manipulation" through social media in the campaign he ran for daddy-in-law).

    They know the mood has been extremely anti-maintstream in the last 2-3 years. They knew that by attacking Trump, they would make him popular (ref. the "Kiza" binary system of thinking above... only the sheep would rely on such absolutes... do you think the elites are not aware masses of people now think as you do?). The more they went after him, the more the plebs got behind him. You people actually believe those who control the mass media were not aware of that fact? Those people rule the world. They control almost all the wealth in this world. YOU don't. They are alway ahead of you.

    Please don't resort to the "you would have preferred Hillary?" argument. It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Reads. Teleprompters. From. The. White. House. They are all just "faces" cast by the elites for strategic purposes.

    Remember how happy Arab leaders were in 2008 when their "brother" Obama got elected? Even Assad was! Gaddafi would write personal letters to his "brother Baracka" for crying out loud. Ha ha ha! The truth is, Obama and Trump are on the same team.

    The Trump casting was designed to stifle the mounting white disillusionment to make sure they go back to sleep and do not thwart the plan that has been in place for the last 70 years. The worst thing that could happen to those people is for white countries (particularly western Europe) to realize what is going on right now, when they are so close to reaching their goal.

    And now Europe will pay for it. Big time! (I pity all those European nationalists that are ecstatic right now... look what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and a few others... look at the hell they unleashed across the Arab world following the election of their "brother"... which, to pre-empt the kind of argument coming my way, does not mean I want those people in Europe... on the contrary, I want them all out).

    And if I were Putin, I would keep my guard up right not, more than ever.

    “Remember that to kill a politician, you just don’t cover them at all, either positively or negatively. No. Publicity. Period.”

    That’s what they did with Jim Webb and Gary Johnson.

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  100. Avery says:
    @Kiza
    Yes, you do make good points Avery and I agree with you that even Hillary's outrageous criminality is a peripheral issue for both President Trump and his voters. However, would you believe for one millisecond that Trump would have said: "She's Been Through Enough": http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-hillary-shes-been-through-enough. That particular part from MSNBC immediately screamed: fabricated news.

    I am awaiting for Trump to finally realise that he cannot work with or through the MSM, absolutely no way. Braking MSM up would be extremely hard, painful and time consuming - it would take one Presidency to achieve.

    Therefore, he needs to find a way to circumvent MSM and find alternative access channels to his voters, which could be the "fake news" that the MSM so conveniently identified already. Why not send White House press releases to the "fake-news" first and then to everybody else? Then let MSM fabricate whatever reality their owners momentarily feel like and the presstitutes can be as smart on fabrications as they are not. One day the MSM will end up with the audience of only Soros and other Jewish SJW and the rest of Academia, DNC leadership plus the MSM owners. Then the old joke about TV in Enver Hoxha Albania will be relevant again, because the news always started with: "Good morning Mr President".

    I am proud to be a Deplorable consuming exclusively the "fake-news".

    Let us see first if they will manage to challenge the election results in the key states, six electors have already been switched over from Trump to Hillary. This is the first fight, all others come later.

    {That particular part from MSNBC immediately screamed: fabricated news.}

    Exactly.

    {I am awaiting for Trump to finally realise that he cannot work with or through the MSM, absolutely no way.}

    I think he has known that since Day 1.
    During all the debates he was not shy about telling MSM scum what he thought of them. He openly mocked the moderators in one of the debates (don’t remember which) for in effect shilling for Hillary.

    When he went out to dinner with family, he deliberately dissed the MSM filth, and they went nuts, because he supposedly “violated” some unwritten rule or protocol. What protocol?

    But most importantly Trump released a Youtube video a couple of days ago about what he is going to do, completely bypassing MSM, and not giving them the opportunity to fabricate what he supposedly said.

    As to election results and the Electoral college: Yeah, they are going to pull every dirty trick in their bag to try to resurrect the Anointed One. They never imagined with all the groundwork they had laid, all the dirt they had dug up on Trump, all the fake polls to discourage Trump voters,…..that The Hildabeast would lose and lose so massively.

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  101. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.
     
    So, iffen, perhaps you could confirm something for us. Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?

    So, iffen, perhaps you could confirm something for us. Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?

    My meager efforts are gratis; for love of hearth and home. As to the 88s, ask them yourself, you converse freely with them.

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    As to the 88s, ask them yourself, you converse freely with them.
     
    That's not true. I spend most of my time here at Unz conversing with present day Nazi hunters, like you.
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  102. annamaria says:
    @Hibernian
    "even though former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney claimed that the terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich were work of Israeli Mossad and local Zionist Christians."

    Do you understand why she's a FORMER Congresswoman? What an unimpeachable source!

    “she’s a FORMER Congresswoman…”
    What is wrong with being a former congresswoman among the current for-sale congresspeople in the US Congress?

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    She's a former congresswoman because she couldn't control her emotions. We need politicians who are unbought, unbossed, and sane.
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  103. @Astuteobservor II
    hating on trump is 100% a-ok imo. wish the media stays truthful while doing it. lets see how many promises he will keep.

    It’s a bit hard to “stay truthful” reporting on someone you hate, wouldn’t you agree?

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  104. Hunsdon says:
    @utu
    IS conflict: How is it getting hold of weapons from the West?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38048482

    Ammunition boxes were turning up that could be traced back to factories in Eastern Europe.

    It emerged that the material had been sold - legally - to the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia. It was then shipped through Turkey.

    The destination was northern Syria and the opposition groups (which the US and Saudi Arabia supported) fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

    WHAT a conundrum! How did ISIS get those weapons? Man, our unicorns are exceedingly careless with their gear.

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  105. Kirby says:
    @RobinG
    Gotta love this man!

    “The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

    “Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.
    http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

    And here it is... Ta Da !!
    Note the lifetime ban on lobbying for a foreign government. The only question, exactly what is an "executive official"... does that include Senators?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgkNSEZxyCA
    A Message from President Elect Donald J Trump

    Hallelujah, during 20 years of senior level military and civilian federal employment I have seen the rot caused by the sell outs who lobby, or hope to, after they leave government “service .”

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  106. Art says:
    @iffen
    but just a taste of this pungent stuff

    I knew it!

    I have written it here more than once.

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.

    Why are you so obsessed with my IQ – you are sure being mean, bringing it up all the time.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Moshe wonders if you are becoming senile or have dementia – repeating the same numbers over and over is sure sign – I hope NOT!

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  107. dahoit says:
    @Kiza
    I have a simple rule for the consumption of MSM (if one really must stoop as low): just turn everything the MSM say or show to its opposite – and you will be close to the truth, if they say it is black then it is white, if they say it is white then it is black, who they attack is a good guy, who they promote is worthless trash and so on. This rule really works.

    Now I would not want them to invalidate Kiza's MSM rule by turning honest and truthful overnight, would I?

    You are absolutely right that the Internet spelled the end of the monopoly on the news, which is why the MSM are so desperate to censor the so called "fake news" competitors. It appears that the Western MSM, an ugly hybrid of the Government propaganda and a marginally profitable business, have owners who can declare the competition’s products to be the low quality “fakes” and get the main gate-keepers, that is the supermarkets such as Facebook, Google and Twitter, to remove those products from their shelves? How many businesses in this World would dream of being given the privilege of deciding on the true quality of the competitors’ products? Obviously, the Western MSM businesses are as privileged (because the MSM owners also own the governments). Is this not a clear case of anti-competitive behavior and collusion of dominant market players?

    When the news comes on now,I look for a commercial,it’s that bad.
    The MSM created Trump?;To paraphrase an old war movie,”was the news treatment negative or a positive?””Strictly negative”.

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  108. RobinG says:
    @Kiza
    Yes, you do make good points Avery and I agree with you that even Hillary's outrageous criminality is a peripheral issue for both President Trump and his voters. However, would you believe for one millisecond that Trump would have said: "She's Been Through Enough": http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-hillary-shes-been-through-enough. That particular part from MSNBC immediately screamed: fabricated news.

    I am awaiting for Trump to finally realise that he cannot work with or through the MSM, absolutely no way. Braking MSM up would be extremely hard, painful and time consuming - it would take one Presidency to achieve.

    Therefore, he needs to find a way to circumvent MSM and find alternative access channels to his voters, which could be the "fake news" that the MSM so conveniently identified already. Why not send White House press releases to the "fake-news" first and then to everybody else? Then let MSM fabricate whatever reality their owners momentarily feel like and the presstitutes can be as smart on fabrications as they are not. One day the MSM will end up with the audience of only Soros and other Jewish SJW and the rest of Academia, DNC leadership plus the MSM owners. Then the old joke about TV in Enver Hoxha Albania will be relevant again, because the news always started with: "Good morning Mr President".

    I am proud to be a Deplorable consuming exclusively the "fake-news".

    Let us see first if they will manage to challenge the election results in the key states, six electors have already been switched over from Trump to Hillary. This is the first fight, all others come later.

    Dear Kiza, our Trump is way ahead of you. As Avery said, he’s going direct to the people, and I posted his first P.E. video at #6 above. His tweets will be the news.

    Yeah, the sore loser liberals will flail around. They’re not only trying to convert electors, they’re petitioning for recounts in 3 states. But I think they know it’s a lost cause because they’re also planning big demonstrations for inauguration day and the day after (“Women’s March on Washington” aka the whining vaginas).

    Trump has all the potential to be a truly great president, but I disagree with those who say “wait and see.” This is precisely the time to endorse his best tendencies, such as improving relations with Russia and fighting IS, not Assad.

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    PS - I think he's for real, MAKE DEALS, NOT WAR -

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/11/23/trump-jr-held-secret-talks-with-russia-supporters.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

    "Donald Trump’s eldest son held a private meeting with pro-Russian diplomats, businessmen, and politicians in Paris last month, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday. According to people who took part in the October 11 meetings, the cabal focused on finding a way to cooperate with the Russian government to end the ongoing war in Syria."
    , @Kiza
    As usual, I agree with what you wrote. But please be mindful that Twitter is on the Dark Side, it is very much a pro-oligarchy platform, which censors right-wing opinions, "fake news" and similar. The only thing that protects Trump from having his Twitter account suspended is that he is (will be) the President. The value of President using the service even the Twitter scum management cannot resists.

    Also, I was aware of the Youtube release of his first message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8

    The censorship by the mainstream US online and high-tech companies now exceeds any government censorship anywhere in the World (e.g. China), here is just one example: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-23/reddit-bans-pizzagate-we-dont-want-witchhunts-our-site. Once you add spying on the users on behalf of NSA, the mainstream US tech companies have become a threat to freedom anywhere on the globe.
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  109. The Stalinist media are despicable.

    They do not make the news.

    They do not report the news.

    All they do is read or print prepared documents handed to them by their handlers/owners.

    One can get better news from the brothels of Amsterdam or Paris.

    I hope president Don will make them honest.

    Long live president Trump!

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  110. dahoit says:
    @Montefrío
    I think you misunderstood. Trump had and has some wealthy partisans. Wilbur Ross, for example, is not lacking for funds.

    Sorry,I jumped the gun,as many just flat out and out lie about Trump.Yes,a few big names support him,but look at their Adelson collusion attempt to blur Trumps nationalist appeal by saying he funded Trump,when Bannon just blew off his ZOA convention.
    They never sleep,and now its voter irregularities in 3 states,and how much you wanna bet that those three would be just enough for the pos HB to gain electoral victory.Divide and conquer rears its ugly zionist head once again.
    As far as a new newspaper,I think they are dead,zionism’s lies killed them unfortunately,although some type of net news outlet that just neutrally gives the news,with an honest pro and con conversation,would be welcome.
    Its all ideologue crap today,or sexual leanings concern politics,about as vapid and dumb as one can get,and of course zion uber alles.Not one MSM or 99% of the web are or were pro Trump.He did something no candidate ever did,won despite the hostility of the serial lying zionists and their cacophony of bubbleheaded blowhards.
    It was simply awesome.

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    " And now its voter irregularities in 3 states".

    There are and have always been "voter irregularities" in all states regarding votes for the democrats, and they will continue to lie and cheat their way into office until this incessant fraud is brought out into the light of day and is rubbed under their dispicable noses until they can no longer deny it.

    Problem is the majority of republicans want to be "nice guys" and are terrified of the "racist, mysogynist, homophobe labels, and there are no real pugilists on the republican side.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  111. dahoit says:
    @utu
    Trump was allowed to win because the Zionists recognized that he can give them a free reign in the Middle East and the Final Solution of Israel borders. In exchange they will shield him from the assault by the liberal NWO Jews. Putin made a similar deal several years ago by building up his relationship with the Orthodox and Chassidim.

    In a bigger picture it all comes down to the role for Russia in the end game for the world domination. Under Obama the Brzezinski faction (and neocons) wanted Russia eliminated risking pushing it in the embrace of China. Russia does not see itself as a the ally of China. Russia wants to go with the West but on its own terms.

    The Plan for the execution of the end game was changed with regard of Russia. Russia will play to the end. Did Putin make an offer to Netanyahu that he could not refuse? What was it? The Doomsday Machine in the Middle East?

    You cannot separate the borg into left or right,they are all left here,as it is divide and conquer,but all right there(Israel),as its all together now.
    No,the zionists are going to be given an offer they can’t refuse,as Trump knows it is the nexus of our dilemma in the ME.
    Hopefully he will force an ending to this 21st century regressive nonsense over their insane id of superiority and chosenness that clouds their alleged intellect.Let them have West Jerusalem and give the Palestinians East?
    America first demands a solution.
    Rehmat;You are what they call a tough audience.
    Whom did you vote for this election,or are you non-American?

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  112. Virgile says:

    The people who read these newpapers are mostly college educated Clinton supporters and are happy to read articles bashing Trump. These articles will only continue to exacerbate their impotent frustration and maintain the division with the rest of the americans.

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  113. RobinG says:
    @RobinG
    Dear Kiza, our Trump is way ahead of you. As Avery said, he's going direct to the people, and I posted his first P.E. video at #6 above. His tweets will be the news.

    Yeah, the sore loser liberals will flail around. They're not only trying to convert electors, they're petitioning for recounts in 3 states. But I think they know it's a lost cause because they're also planning big demonstrations for inauguration day and the day after ("Women's March on Washington" aka the whining vaginas).

    Trump has all the potential to be a truly great president, but I disagree with those who say "wait and see." This is precisely the time to endorse his best tendencies, such as improving relations with Russia and fighting IS, not Assad.

    PS – I think he’s for real, MAKE DEALS, NOT WAR -

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/11/23/trump-jr-held-secret-talks-with-russia-supporters.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

    “Donald Trump’s eldest son held a private meeting with pro-Russian diplomats, businessmen, and politicians in Paris last month, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday. According to people who took part in the October 11 meetings, the cabal focused on finding a way to cooperate with the Russian government to end the ongoing war in Syria.”

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  114. Hibernian says:
    @annamaria
    "she’s a FORMER Congresswoman..."
    What is wrong with being a former congresswoman among the current for-sale congresspeople in the US Congress?

    She’s a former congresswoman because she couldn’t control her emotions. We need politicians who are unbought, unbossed, and sane.

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  115. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    So, iffen, perhaps you could confirm something for us. Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?

    My meager efforts are gratis; for love of hearth and home. As to the 88s, ask them yourself, you converse freely with them.

    As to the 88s, ask them yourself, you converse freely with them.

    That’s not true. I spend most of my time here at Unz conversing with present day Nazi hunters, like you.

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  116. Kiza says:
    @RobinG
    Dear Kiza, our Trump is way ahead of you. As Avery said, he's going direct to the people, and I posted his first P.E. video at #6 above. His tweets will be the news.

    Yeah, the sore loser liberals will flail around. They're not only trying to convert electors, they're petitioning for recounts in 3 states. But I think they know it's a lost cause because they're also planning big demonstrations for inauguration day and the day after ("Women's March on Washington" aka the whining vaginas).

    Trump has all the potential to be a truly great president, but I disagree with those who say "wait and see." This is precisely the time to endorse his best tendencies, such as improving relations with Russia and fighting IS, not Assad.

    As usual, I agree with what you wrote. But please be mindful that Twitter is on the Dark Side, it is very much a pro-oligarchy platform, which censors right-wing opinions, “fake news” and similar. The only thing that protects Trump from having his Twitter account suspended is that he is (will be) the President. The value of President using the service even the Twitter scum management cannot resists.

    Also, I was aware of the Youtube release of his first message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8

    The censorship by the mainstream US online and high-tech companies now exceeds any government censorship anywhere in the World (e.g. China), here is just one example: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-23/reddit-bans-pizzagate-we-dont-want-witchhunts-our-site. Once you add spying on the users on behalf of NSA, the mainstream US tech companies have become a threat to freedom anywhere on the globe.

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  117. @dahoit
    Sorry,I jumped the gun,as many just flat out and out lie about Trump.Yes,a few big names support him,but look at their Adelson collusion attempt to blur Trumps nationalist appeal by saying he funded Trump,when Bannon just blew off his ZOA convention.
    They never sleep,and now its voter irregularities in 3 states,and how much you wanna bet that those three would be just enough for the pos HB to gain electoral victory.Divide and conquer rears its ugly zionist head once again.
    As far as a new newspaper,I think they are dead,zionism's lies killed them unfortunately,although some type of net news outlet that just neutrally gives the news,with an honest pro and con conversation,would be welcome.
    Its all ideologue crap today,or sexual leanings concern politics,about as vapid and dumb as one can get,and of course zion uber alles.Not one MSM or 99% of the web are or were pro Trump.He did something no candidate ever did,won despite the hostility of the serial lying zionists and their cacophony of bubbleheaded blowhards.
    It was simply awesome.

    ” And now its voter irregularities in 3 states”.

    There are and have always been “voter irregularities” in all states regarding votes for the democrats, and they will continue to lie and cheat their way into office until this incessant fraud is brought out into the light of day and is rubbed under their dispicable noses until they can no longer deny it.

    Problem is the majority of republicans want to be “nice guys” and are terrified of the “racist, mysogynist, homophobe labels, and there are no real pugilists on the republican side.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    Joe Stalin: "it is not who votes then who counts (or recounts) votes". When Hillary was winning according to all the "adjusted" methodology polls, they thought they did not need to cheat much. But then she lost. Now the recount is the second chance to prove uncle Joe right. The fraud potential in the recount will be humongous. Apparently, this Stein's initiative is her own, not of the Green Party, it appeared straight out of Soros' checkbook.
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  118. @geokat62

    Many of the 88s here are on the Israeli payroll.
     
    So, iffen, perhaps you could confirm something for us. Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?

    Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?

    US taxpayers pay the Nazi hunters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Investigations_(United_States_Department_of_Justice)

    Therefore, Israelis must pay more to the current-day Nazis.

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    re Office of Special Investigations

    It appears the word "special" is a favourite of The Lobby's... cf. Office of Special Plans.

    I guess that also explains why the relationship is characterized as "special."
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  119. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Who do the Israelis pay more: the current day Nazi hunters or the current day Nazis?
     
    US taxpayers pay the Nazi hunters.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Investigations_(United_States_Department_of_Justice)

    Therefore, Israelis must pay more to the current-day Nazis.

    re Office of Special Investigations

    It appears the word “special” is a favourite of The Lobby’s… cf. Office of Special Plans.

    I guess that also explains why the relationship is characterized as “special.”

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    geo,

    During the campaign, Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that? (We are trying to decide if one's position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don't tell anybody.)

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  120. Kiza says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " And now its voter irregularities in 3 states".

    There are and have always been "voter irregularities" in all states regarding votes for the democrats, and they will continue to lie and cheat their way into office until this incessant fraud is brought out into the light of day and is rubbed under their dispicable noses until they can no longer deny it.

    Problem is the majority of republicans want to be "nice guys" and are terrified of the "racist, mysogynist, homophobe labels, and there are no real pugilists on the republican side.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    Joe Stalin: “it is not who votes then who counts (or recounts) votes”. When Hillary was winning according to all the “adjusted” methodology polls, they thought they did not need to cheat much. But then she lost. Now the recount is the second chance to prove uncle Joe right. The fraud potential in the recount will be humongous. Apparently, this Stein’s initiative is her own, not of the Green Party, it appeared straight out of Soros’ checkbook.

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  121. iffen says:
    @geokat62
    re Office of Special Investigations

    It appears the word "special" is a favourite of The Lobby's... cf. Office of Special Plans.

    I guess that also explains why the relationship is characterized as "special."

    geo,

    During the campaign, Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that? (We are trying to decide if one’s position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don’t tell anybody.)

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    Any thoughts on that?
     
    See Arab Peace Initiative, endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 and reendorsed in 2007.

    (We are trying to decide if one’s position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don’t tell anybody.)
     
    Must be a bonus question you're including in your redesigned F-scale test... my lips are sealed.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    During the campaign, Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
     
    He also promised to act to advance America's interests and solve America's problems; the new mandate is America First. If Israel wants benefits from USA, it should pays taxes TO USA, rather than demanding benefits and support FROM USA.
    No representation without taxation.

    (We are trying to decide if one’s position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don’t tell anybody.) . . .
     
    It's a brave new America First world, iffen.
    Why should any American give a toss about antisemitism?
    In this new dispensation, America First, the thought crime du jour is Anti-Americanism.
    Got a problem with that?
    , @geokat62

    Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that?
     
    Hey, iffen. I've been thinking about your question a little more.

    Here's the source of my confusion:
    1. there are close to 50 million (or 15% of) Americans on food stamps,
    2. the infrastructure is crumbling,
    3. most inner cities are crime ridden,
    4. education ranks 17 out of 40 countries,
    5. health care ranks 37,
    6. record debt level of $20 trillion,
    7. military engaged in wars of aggression on behalf of an other country that has cost the taxpayer $6 trillion and taken the lives of over a million people
    8. etc, etc.

    ... and the first question that comes to your mind after a Trump victory is: what should the capital city of a foreign country be?

    Are you sure you're an American citizen?
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  122. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    geo,

    During the campaign, Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that? (We are trying to decide if one's position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don't tell anybody.)

    Any thoughts on that?

    See Arab Peace Initiative, endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 and reendorsed in 2007.

    (We are trying to decide if one’s position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don’t tell anybody.)

    Must be a bonus question you’re including in your redesigned F-scale test… my lips are sealed.

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  123. @iffen
    geo,

    During the campaign, Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that? (We are trying to decide if one's position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don't tell anybody.)

    During the campaign, Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    He also promised to act to advance America’s interests and solve America’s problems; the new mandate is America First. If Israel wants benefits from USA, it should pays taxes TO USA, rather than demanding benefits and support FROM USA.
    No representation without taxation.

    (We are trying to decide if one’s position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don’t tell anybody.) . . .

    It’s a brave new America First world, iffen.
    Why should any American give a toss about antisemitism?
    In this new dispensation, America First, the thought crime du jour is Anti-Americanism.
    Got a problem with that?

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  124. iffen says:

    He also promised to act to advance America’s interests and solve America’s problems; the new mandate is America First.

    It’s a brave new America First world, iffen.

    Why should any American give a toss about antisemitism?

    In this new dispensation, America First, the thought crime du jour is Anti-Americanism.

    Got a problem with that?

    Doctrine! Doctrine!

    Who gets to decide, SC or iffen?

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    softball

    SC gets to decide.


    It's the logical, not doctrinal, position, and the position that US Revolutionaries took when they rebelled against paying taxes to a government that did not represent them.

    Why would any American choose to pay taxes or tribute to a nation/state/pariah entity (in the case of Israel) that does not represent them or their interests?

    Got a problem with that?
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  125. @iffen
    He also promised to act to advance America’s interests and solve America’s problems; the new mandate is America First.

    It’s a brave new America First world, iffen.

    Why should any American give a toss about antisemitism?

    In this new dispensation, America First, the thought crime du jour is Anti-Americanism.

    Got a problem with that?


    Doctrine! Doctrine!

    Who gets to decide, SC or iffen?

    softball

    SC gets to decide.

    It’s the logical, not doctrinal, position, and the position that US Revolutionaries took when they rebelled against paying taxes to a government that did not represent them.

    Why would any American choose to pay taxes or tribute to a nation/state/pariah entity (in the case of Israel) that does not represent them or their interests?

    Got a problem with that?

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    It’s the logical, not doctrinal, position

    their interests?

    Got a problem with that?

    I do have a problem with that.

    I do not concede the logical to you any more than I concede to you the right to establish doctrine.

    This should be obvious to you by now.

    Whether recognizing Jerusalem is in the interests of the US or not is a factual political question that can be debated on its merits within the context of our current foreign policy.

    It doesn't have anything to do with the Revolution of the American elite, or with tax policies.

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  126. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    softball

    SC gets to decide.


    It's the logical, not doctrinal, position, and the position that US Revolutionaries took when they rebelled against paying taxes to a government that did not represent them.

    Why would any American choose to pay taxes or tribute to a nation/state/pariah entity (in the case of Israel) that does not represent them or their interests?

    Got a problem with that?

    It’s the logical, not doctrinal, position

    their interests?

    Got a problem with that?

    I do have a problem with that.

    I do not concede the logical to you any more than I concede to you the right to establish doctrine.

    This should be obvious to you by now.

    Whether recognizing Jerusalem is in the interests of the US or not is a factual political question that can be debated on its merits within the context of our current foreign policy.

    It doesn’t have anything to do with the Revolution of the American elite, or with tax policies.

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    Whether recognizing Jerusalem is in the interests of the US or not is a factual political question that can be debated on its merits within the context of our current foreign policy.
     
    yes it is, once you establish who "our" is referring to

    if it's the American people in general; from whom trillions of dollars and oceans of blood have been spilled and squandered respectively, then it's a very easy question to answer. "Our" foreign policy should be one of respect for all nations and peoples, including those of the Arab and Muslim world, the enmity of which is not in the American people's interests. Quite the contrary.

    Therefor, it is in our objective and factual interests to tell the Zionists to fuck off and find another chump to be their stooge and champion.

    Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, and Jerusalem is slated either for the capital of the Palestinian state, or a city managed by the UN once the Palestinians are all given Israeli/Palestinian joint citizenship in a single nation, with equal voting rights.

    Problem solved
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  127. Rurik says:
    @iffen
    It’s the logical, not doctrinal, position

    their interests?

    Got a problem with that?

    I do have a problem with that.

    I do not concede the logical to you any more than I concede to you the right to establish doctrine.

    This should be obvious to you by now.

    Whether recognizing Jerusalem is in the interests of the US or not is a factual political question that can be debated on its merits within the context of our current foreign policy.

    It doesn't have anything to do with the Revolution of the American elite, or with tax policies.

    Whether recognizing Jerusalem is in the interests of the US or not is a factual political question that can be debated on its merits within the context of our current foreign policy.

    yes it is, once you establish who “our” is referring to

    if it’s the American people in general; from whom trillions of dollars and oceans of blood have been spilled and squandered respectively, then it’s a very easy question to answer. “Our” foreign policy should be one of respect for all nations and peoples, including those of the Arab and Muslim world, the enmity of which is not in the American people’s interests. Quite the contrary.

    Therefor, it is in our objective and factual interests to tell the Zionists to fuck off and find another chump to be their stooge and champion.

    Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, and Jerusalem is slated either for the capital of the Palestinian state, or a city managed by the UN once the Palestinians are all given Israeli/Palestinian joint citizenship in a single nation, with equal voting rights.

    Problem solved

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    then it’s a very easy question to answer

    Apparently not in the real world where it is a matter for debate.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    “Our” foreign policy should be one of respect for all nations and peoples, including those of the Arab and Muslim world, the enmity of which is not in the American people’s interests.
     
    Well, respecting all nations and peoples would probably prevent "us" from robbing them.

    And thus the patterns like (just one example) "the United States, with less than 5 % of the global population, uses about a quarter of the world’s fossil fuel resources—burning up nearly 25 % of the coal, 26 % of the oil, and 27 % of the world’s natural gas" would become unsustainable... So, this is probably not as straightforward as you think...
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  128. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    Whether recognizing Jerusalem is in the interests of the US or not is a factual political question that can be debated on its merits within the context of our current foreign policy.
     
    yes it is, once you establish who "our" is referring to

    if it's the American people in general; from whom trillions of dollars and oceans of blood have been spilled and squandered respectively, then it's a very easy question to answer. "Our" foreign policy should be one of respect for all nations and peoples, including those of the Arab and Muslim world, the enmity of which is not in the American people's interests. Quite the contrary.

    Therefor, it is in our objective and factual interests to tell the Zionists to fuck off and find another chump to be their stooge and champion.

    Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, and Jerusalem is slated either for the capital of the Palestinian state, or a city managed by the UN once the Palestinians are all given Israeli/Palestinian joint citizenship in a single nation, with equal voting rights.

    Problem solved

    then it’s a very easy question to answer

    Apparently not in the real world where it is a matter for debate.

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    where it is a matter for debate.
     
    like two wolves and a sheep debating what's for dinner

    that "debate" has nothing to do with reason or fairness or law or decency or honor or justice or truth

    just arm twisting, pure and simple
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  129. iffen says:

    I noticed that the MSM is carefully pointing out that there will be a lot of expense to the taxpayer in providing security for Trump when he goes to Florida.

    IIRC the expense to the taxpayer for Obama’s Hawaiian visits was always a source of concern for some of the partisan right wing media. If the MSM media made much of it, I must have missed that part.

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  130. Rurik says:
    @iffen
    then it’s a very easy question to answer

    Apparently not in the real world where it is a matter for debate.

    where it is a matter for debate.

    like two wolves and a sheep debating what’s for dinner

    that “debate” has nothing to do with reason or fairness or law or decency or honor or justice or truth

    just arm twisting, pure and simple

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  131. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    geo,

    During the campaign, Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that? (We are trying to decide if one's position on the idea should become a marker for anti-Semitism, don't tell anybody.)

    Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that?

    Hey, iffen. I’ve been thinking about your question a little more.

    Here’s the source of my confusion:
    1. there are close to 50 million (or 15% of) Americans on food stamps,
    2. the infrastructure is crumbling,
    3. most inner cities are crime ridden,
    4. education ranks 17 out of 40 countries,
    5. health care ranks 37,
    6. record debt level of $20 trillion,
    7. military engaged in wars of aggression on behalf of an other country that has cost the taxpayer $6 trillion and taken the lives of over a million people
    8. etc, etc.

    … and the first question that comes to your mind after a Trump victory is: what should the capital city of a foreign country be?

    Are you sure you’re an American citizen?

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    Are you sure you’re an American citizen?

    7th generation anchor baby.
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  132. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Trump said that the US will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Any thoughts on that?
     
    Hey, iffen. I've been thinking about your question a little more.

    Here's the source of my confusion:
    1. there are close to 50 million (or 15% of) Americans on food stamps,
    2. the infrastructure is crumbling,
    3. most inner cities are crime ridden,
    4. education ranks 17 out of 40 countries,
    5. health care ranks 37,
    6. record debt level of $20 trillion,
    7. military engaged in wars of aggression on behalf of an other country that has cost the taxpayer $6 trillion and taken the lives of over a million people
    8. etc, etc.

    ... and the first question that comes to your mind after a Trump victory is: what should the capital city of a foreign country be?

    Are you sure you're an American citizen?

    Are you sure you’re an American citizen?

    7th generation anchor baby.

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    7th generation anchor baby
     
    Could've fooled me.
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  133. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    Are you sure you’re an American citizen?

    7th generation anchor baby.

    7th generation anchor baby

    Could’ve fooled me.

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  134. […] “Trump and the Media”. […]

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  135. @Rurik

    Whether recognizing Jerusalem is in the interests of the US or not is a factual political question that can be debated on its merits within the context of our current foreign policy.
     
    yes it is, once you establish who "our" is referring to

    if it's the American people in general; from whom trillions of dollars and oceans of blood have been spilled and squandered respectively, then it's a very easy question to answer. "Our" foreign policy should be one of respect for all nations and peoples, including those of the Arab and Muslim world, the enmity of which is not in the American people's interests. Quite the contrary.

    Therefor, it is in our objective and factual interests to tell the Zionists to fuck off and find another chump to be their stooge and champion.

    Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, and Jerusalem is slated either for the capital of the Palestinian state, or a city managed by the UN once the Palestinians are all given Israeli/Palestinian joint citizenship in a single nation, with equal voting rights.

    Problem solved

    “Our” foreign policy should be one of respect for all nations and peoples, including those of the Arab and Muslim world, the enmity of which is not in the American people’s interests.

    Well, respecting all nations and peoples would probably prevent “us” from robbing them.

    And thus the patterns like (just one example) “the United States, with less than 5 % of the global population, uses about a quarter of the world’s fossil fuel resources—burning up nearly 25 % of the coal, 26 % of the oil, and 27 % of the world’s natural gas” would become unsustainable… So, this is probably not as straightforward as you think…

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    the United States, with less than 5 % of the global population, uses about a quarter of the world’s fossil fuel resources
     
    we don't bomb Muslim countries to steal their oil

    we bomb them to suit our masters in Tel Aviv, who are busy stealing their land and their oil and water

    [see Golan, Heights / Genie Energy]

    if the people of the US can wrest themselves free from the Zio vampire with its fangs deep in their necks, then we could develop sustainable energy like solar, and invent all kinds of technological miracles, like we used to be known for. But today we're under the thrall of a fiend, and so it saps our creative energy, and forces us to fund Endless War and commit demographic suicide and wallow in cultural sewage injected by Hollywood and Madison Ave.

    The Fed enslaves us to debt as Wall Street bloats with QE lucre

    We may use a lot of energy in our polluted, congested sprawl of mindless greed and mutual ethnic and cultural distain, but it's hardly anything to be jealous of
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  136. […] harder the mass media urged Americans to reject Donald Trump, the more people realized they were being harangued by a modern day Orwellian Ministry of Truth. […]

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  137. hbm says:

    They’ve hyperbolically howled, lied about and slandered their enemies for over 2000 years.

    They sure aren’t going to stop now.

    For a refresher you can pick up your handy copy of Mein Kampf and read in Chapter 2 what Uncle Adolf had to say about the behavior of the presse.

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  138. Rurik says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    “Our” foreign policy should be one of respect for all nations and peoples, including those of the Arab and Muslim world, the enmity of which is not in the American people’s interests.
     
    Well, respecting all nations and peoples would probably prevent "us" from robbing them.

    And thus the patterns like (just one example) "the United States, with less than 5 % of the global population, uses about a quarter of the world’s fossil fuel resources—burning up nearly 25 % of the coal, 26 % of the oil, and 27 % of the world’s natural gas" would become unsustainable... So, this is probably not as straightforward as you think...

    the United States, with less than 5 % of the global population, uses about a quarter of the world’s fossil fuel resources

    we don’t bomb Muslim countries to steal their oil

    we bomb them to suit our masters in Tel Aviv, who are busy stealing their land and their oil and water

    [see Golan, Heights / Genie Energy]

    if the people of the US can wrest themselves free from the Zio vampire with its fangs deep in their necks, then we could develop sustainable energy like solar, and invent all kinds of technological miracles, like we used to be known for. But today we’re under the thrall of a fiend, and so it saps our creative energy, and forces us to fund Endless War and commit demographic suicide and wallow in cultural sewage injected by Hollywood and Madison Ave.

    The Fed enslaves us to debt as Wall Street bloats with QE lucre

    We may use a lot of energy in our polluted, congested sprawl of mindless greed and mutual ethnic and cultural distain, but it’s hardly anything to be jealous of

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  139. Hi there to every body, it’s my first pay a quick visit of this weblog; this website contains awesome
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