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The minimal U.S. press coverage accorded to last Monday’s shooting down of a Russian intelligence plane off the coast of Syria is, of course, a reflection both of lack of interest and of Israel’s involvement in the incident. If one had read the New York Times or the Washington Post on the morning after the shoot-down or watched the morning network news it would have been easy to miss the story altogether. The corporate media’s desire to sustain established foreign policy narratives while also protecting Israel at all costs is as much a feature of American television news as are the once every five minutes commercials from big pharma urging the public to take medications for diseases that no one has ever heard of.

Israel is, of course, claiming innocence, that it was the Syrians who shot down the Russian aircraft while the Israeli jets were legitimately targeting a Syrian army facility “from which weapons-manufacturing systems were supposed to be transferred to Iran and Hezbollah.” Seeking to undo some of the damage caused, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu quickly telephoned Russian President Vladimir Putin to express his condolences. He also sent his air force chief to Russia on Thursday to provide a detailed report on what had occurred from the Israeli perspective.

But that story, however it will be spun, is inevitably only part of the tale. The narrative of what occurred is by now well established. The Russian aircraft was returning to base after a mission over the Mediterranean off the Syrian coast monitoring the activities of a French warship and at least one British RAF plane. As a large and relatively slow propeller driven aircraft on a routine intelligence gathering mission, the Ilyushin 20 had no reason to conceal its presence. It was apparently preparing to land at its airbase at Khmeimim in Syria when the incident took place. It may or may not have had its transponder on, which would signal to the Syrian air defenses that it was a “friendly.”

Syrian air defenses were on high alert because Israel had attacked targets near Damascus on the previous day. On that occasion a Boeing 747 on the ground that Israel claimed was transporting weapons was the target. One should note in passing that Israeli claims about what it is targeting in Syria are never independently verifiable.

The Israelis for their part were using four F-16 fighter bombers to stage a surprise night attack on several sites near Latakia, close to the airbase being used by the Russians. They came in from the Mediterranean Sea and clearly were using the Russian plane to mask their approach as the Ilyushin 20 would have presented a much larger radar profile for the air defenses. The radar systems on the F-16s would also have clearly seen the Russian plane.

The Israelis might have been expecting that the Syrians would not fire at all at the incoming planes knowing that one of them at least was being flown by their Russian allies. If that was the expectation, it proved wrong and it was indeed a Syrian S-200 ground to air missile directed by its guidance system to the larger target that brought down the plane and killed its fourteen crew members. The Israelis completed their bombing run and flew back home. There were also reports that the French frigate offshore fired several missiles during the exchange, but they have not been confirmed while the British plane was also reportedly circling out of range though within the general area.

There was also a back story. The Israelis and Russian military had established a hotline, similar to the one that is used with the U.S. command in Syria, precisely intended to avoid incidents like the Ilyushin shoot-down that might escalate into a more major conflict. Israel reportedly used the line but only one minute before the incident took place, leaving no time for the Russian plane to take evasive action.

The Russian Ministry of Defense was irate. It saw the exploitation of the intelligence plane by the Israelis as a deliberate high-risk initiative. It warned “We consider these provocative actions by Israel as hostile. Fifteen Russian military service members have died because of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military. This is absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership. We reserve the right for an adequate response.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin was more conciliatory, saying the incident was a “chain of tragic circumstances.” He contrasted it with the Turkish shoot-down of a Russian warplane in 2015, which was planned and deliberate, noting that Israel had not actually attacked the Ilyushin. Though the Putin comments clearly recognize that his country’s relationship with Israel is delicate to say the least, that does not mean that he will do nothing.

Many Israelis are emigres from Russia and there are close ties between the two countries, but their views on Syria diverge considerably. As much as Putin might like to strike back at Israel in a hard, substantive way, he will likely only upgrade and strengthen the air defenses around Russian troop concentrations and warn that another “surprise” attack will be resisted. Unfortunately, he knows that he is substantially outgunned locally by the U.S., France, Britain and Israel, not to mention Turkey, and a violent response that would escalate the conflict is not in his interest. He has similarly, in cooperation with his Syrian allies, delayed a major attempt to retake terrorist controlled Idlib province, as he works out a formula with Ankara to prevent heavy handed Turkish intervention.

But there is another dimension to the story that the international media has largely chosen to ignore. And that is that Israel is now carrying out almost daily air attacks on Syria, over 200 in the past 18 months, a country with which it is not at war and which has not attacked it or threatened it in any way. It justifies the attacks by claiming that they are directed against Iran or Hezbollah, not at Syria itself. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted that any peace settlement in Syria include the complete removal of Iranians, a demand that has also been repeated by the United States, which is also calling for the end to the Bashar al-Assad government and its replacement by something more “democratic.”

Aggressive war directed at a non-threatening country is the ultimate war crime as defined by the Nuremberg Tribunals that followed after the Second World War, yet the United States and its poodles Britain and France have not so much as squeaked when Israel kills civilians and soldiers in its surprise attacks against targets that it alone frequently claims to be linked to the Iranians. Washington would not be in much of a position to cast the first stone anyway, as it is in Syria illegally, bombs targets regularly, to include two major cruise missile strikes, and, on at least one occasion, set a trap that reportedly succeeded in killing a large number of Russian mercenaries fighting on the Syrian government side.

And then there is the other dimension of Israeli interference with its neighbors, the secret wars in which it supports the terrorist groups operating in Syria as well as in Iran. The Netanyahu government has armed the terrorists operating in Syria and even treated them in Israeli hospitals when they get wounded. On one occasion when ISIS accidentally fired into Israeli-held territory on the Golan Heights it subsequently apologized. So, if you ask who is supporting terrorism the answer first and foremost should be Israel, but Israel pays no price for doing so because of the protection afforded by Washington, which, by the way, is also protecting terrorists.

There is, of course, an alternative explanation for the Israeli action. Netanyahu might have considered it all a win-win either way, with the Russian plane masking and enabling the Israeli attack without consequence for Israel or, perversely, producing an incident inviting retaliation from Moscow, which would likely lead to a shooting war with the United States after it inevitably steps in to support Israel’s government. In either case, the chaos in Syria that Israel desires would continue and even worsen but there would also be the potential danger of a possible expansion of the war as a consequence, making it regional or even broader.

It’s the same old story. Israel does risky things like attacking its neighbors because it knows it will pay no price due to Washington’s support. The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation that could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington. What Israel is really thinking when it seeks to create anarchy all around its borders is anyone’s guess, but it is, to be sure, in no one’s interest to allow the process to continue. It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle East.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. Merely the latest fully-intended Holocaust for which Israel is responsible.

    • Replies: @guibus
  2. Yet another (fully-intended) Holocaust for which the Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Ysrael is responsible.

  3. Uncle Sam says:

    If Russia shot down Israeli aircraft or bombed the airbase from which they took off, or even obliterated Israel, America would do nothing but bitch and complain. The American military does not want a war with Russia, because they know they cannot win a conventional war with Russia. I would go so far as to say that even if Russia sank American warships including an aircraft carrier America would not go to war.

    America does not go to war with countries that have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them to the continental United States. That is why she would bend over backwards to prevent a war with countries like Russia, China or North Korea, and the reason these countries need not fear America. The prevention of nuclear war is the underlying premise of American foreign policy. It has been since the nuclear age began. America would only use its nuclear weapons if the American mainland is hit with nuclear weapons.

    America would accept the loss of hundreds or even thousands of its servicemen rather than have the continental USA turned into a wasteland.

  4. windwaves says:

    trump is owned by israel, I wish I was wrong, but there is no way around it. I mean, I expect him any day to convert to judaism. No way around it.

  5. ValmMond says:

    “a country with which it is not at war”

    Syria and Israel are still “officially” at war. No peace treaty has ever been signed between them after the 1973 war.

  6. The end of this pariah state is near. It has been foretold EXACTLY !In a flash of light (you understand I think). Russian officilas have to come to terms with the ugly truth of who killed 50 million Russians during the red terror.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
  7. “It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle East.”

    Orange Clown’s a liar whose presidential campaign was a calculated bait and switch fraud from the beginning. Our presidential poseur obviously had no intention of following through on most of his pre-election intimations and campaign promises.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Yebatz Yevo
  8. Anon[629] • Disclaimer says:

    Syria refused “land for peace” initiative in 1967 where it would get back Golan in return for peace. They never established diplomatic relations and are technically in the state of war.

  9. “The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation that could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington”

    I don’t doubt Israeli contrivance but I expect there is possibly a wider contrivance involving Netanyahu’s poodle Macron:

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/full-analysis-russian-disinfo-campaign-blames-israel-for-il-20-plane-downing-yet-exonerates-france/

    &

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/more-experts-confirm-that-france-took-down-il-20-identify-friend-foe-system-did-not-fail/

    &

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/major-russia-defies-israel-to-now-supply-s-300-to-syria/

    Thought provoking material from Joaquin Flores at Ft Russ News. Was it actually the French?

  10. Miggle says:

    Why did all those Russian Jews migrate to Israel and why doesn’t Putin ask them all to come back, warn them that Israel is a dangerous place to live, hopefully live?

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
    , @Anonymous
  11. Always makin’ new friends — that’s our little buddy!

  12. @Anon

    Which raises a couple of questions. One is whether the deal is still open. Another is why a secular régime in Syria, like that of Assad, would not recognise Israel now in return for something substantial which might be money rather than territory.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @anon
  13. @Anon

    ‘Syria refused “land for peace” initiative in 1967 where it would get back Golan in return for peace…’

    Uh huh.

    Hey, look. The Zionist lied. I’ll be.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-israel-didnt-offer-to-trade-the-west-bank-for-peace-in-1967

    • Replies: @The whole point
  14. Netanyahu might have considered it all a win-win either way, with the Russian plane masking and enabling the Israeli attack without consequence for Israel or, perversely, producing an incident inviting retaliation from Moscow, which would likely lead to a shooting war with the United States after it inevitably steps in to support Israel’s government.

    There we go! Glad someone gets it.

    I had to read Saker’s article suggesting that just maybe it could have been an actual accident on Israel’s part through my fingers as I could not manage to lift my face from my palm the entire time.

    It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle East.

    I’d love to see this happen, but let’s be real. If we pulled out of Israel’s terror wars, Mossad would stage a false flag to bring us right back in less than 12 months later. There’s only one way to stop fighting wars for Israel and that’s to end Israel. We’ve got to strike at the roots, not the branches.

    • Agree: Jeffery Cohen, druid, Moi
    • Replies: @JC
  15. @windwaves

    So are all converts to j.carpenter’s sect of judaism, just lower cast.

  16. Putin stated expressly that a nuclear war will be the end of mankind.

  17. @Ronald Thomas West

    Our own “FB” has already proposed this thesis several days ago in the comments on The Faker’s mediocre article “Putin, Israel, And The Downed IL20″ here at The Unz Review. FB certainly got there “Firstest With The Mostest”, as the immortal Jeb Stuart would say.

  18. @Anon

    Moshe Dayan, in an interview with an Israeli paper, stated that 95% of border incidents with Syria were deliberately provoked by Israel

  19. @Ronald Thomas West

    Macron worked for Banque de Rothschild in Paris

  20. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    The Auvergne frigate is an anti-submarine ship equipped with surface-to-air missiles for self-defence Aster 15, with a range of max 30 km. Unless the French have modified it in the mean time, which is unlikely since it was launched too recently for that in my opinion, in 2015, to turn it in an air-defence ship equipped with the more advanced Aster 30 missiles, with a range of 100-120 km, I doubt they were within striking distance of the IL-20 when it was hit. On the other hand, it is possible that they have participated in the Israeli attack against Syria, given that they’re equipped with cruise missiles and that ships of the same class have participated in previous attacks against Syria.
    Anyway, I don’t think it is wise of Russia to play down French involvement for the sake of Russian-French relationship. France under Macron is a shit country but the French are too vain to admit that they have elected a complete moron as president. There is no comparison with Erdogan’s Turkey. Erdogan has way more substance than the Rotschild puppet Macron.

  21. LondonBob says:

    Bolton and Pompeo have really excelled themselves over this. Been almost a blackout on reporting over this, at least after initial reporting of the incident. A major world leader slapping down Israel is not something the media wish people to see, might get the wrong idea.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  22. @Bombercommand

    ‘Several days ago’ precedes 19 September? Where’s the link to the comment? I’d be curious to read…

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  23. @Vojkan

    My understanding is the Auvergne class frigate has Aster 30 capability from launch, depending on the configuration … retrofit would only be necessary in case it had not been initially equipped -

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  24. @Vojkan

    Erdogan is a paranoid criminal who has back-stabbed every player he’s ever done business with … not to mention his intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, is an alumnus of the Turkish branch of al-Qaida. Head and shoulders above Macron? I suppose that’s possible…

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  25. @Miggle

    Why did all those Russian Jews migrate to Israel and why doesn’t Putin ask them all to come back, warn them that Israel is a dangerous place to live, hopefully live?

    No body likes them in their own countries, so they are being dumped on the Middle East, especially the Palestinians.

  26. @Uncle Sam

    I’m inclined to agree with your assessment of US unwillingness to fight a nuclear power, but….I also can’t forget that the US ruling elites are pathological. Psychotic with hubris, greed & egoism. The “exceptional”, the “indispensable” nation….& worse, the wagging dog to the Israeli tail.

    • Replies: @Moi
  27. It’s the comments more than the news that keep me coming, aside from Giraldi and Unz. The ordinary folks are waking up and soon this western propaganda won’t be sustainable. They will discover that all elections, despite money and blackmail will not get the desired results. That’s the time the pot will boil over. And I love Linh dinh too. May you prosper my Vietnamese friend.

  28. Kiza says:
    @LondonBob

    Yes, I always thought that US could end up in a nuclear war, especially by virtue of Israel, but almost no-civilian in US would no until the bombs started exploding.

  29. @windwaves

    Trump’s infamous campaign slogan of MAGA quickly mutated into MIGA which is the originally intended version anyways. Obedience to Israel has become a norm in presidential election campaigns. Even the disenfranchised minority caucuses, including and especially the Black one is firmly in Israel’s pockets now. The Black leadership role has now been essentially reduced to making the odd noise after the shooting of an unarmed Black by a White cop.

  30. Deschutes says:
    @Uncle Sam

    Sorry, not so sure I’d agree. USA/Israel/NATO would love for Russia to lash out against Israel for a provocation such as this Ilyushin 20 downing; but as the author suggests Russia knows it could not withstand the combined forces of NATO/Israel/USA in the Syrian theatre. Russia would not stand a chance.

    I would agree with you that the USA has historically only attacked much weaker foes: Viet Nam, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc. But recently there has been a shift in US military I’ve read about, i.e. revisionist powers are now the main focus instead of ‘war on terror’. With the stranglehold ‘declare war!’ sanctions USA will crush Iran with this November, it means that there will most definitely be ensuing hot war with Iran, probably early next year. What happened to Syria will next happen in Iran.

    Once Iran is reduced to rubble with US/Israel trained and equipped ISIS proxy armies, the US and NATO will start destabilising actions along Russia’s southern borders, i.e. Caspian Sea and Georgia. Their plan is to use the same Arab Islamist proxies and/or Chechen Arabs to start terror attacks in souther Russian provinces, i.e. Grozny, Derbent, Dagestan oblast. USA/NATO/Israel will try to chip away at Russia’s southern provinces using same methods used in Syria, weaken and balkanize it. This is why Putin is trying so hard to stop them in Syria.

  31. Israel has Zero goodwill. They are a pariah nation.
    I’m sure that will be interesting to watch as U.S. power evaporates.
    It proves to me that hubris overwhelms strategy; the Jews are the architects of their own destruction. What an incredibly stupid and repellant people(?). Especially when contrasted with virtous people’s: middle America, European and Russians.
    Jew aversion is a natural response to their lies and treachery.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @c matt
    , @druid
  32. anarchyst says:

    This is Russia’s equivalent of the USS Liberty (GTR-5) “incident”. Of course the Israelis will feign “ignorance” or claim that a “mistake” was made, but will never take responsibility for attempting to start WW3.
    If I had my way, Israel’s military would be decimated, with Tel Aviv being turned into a “glass parking lot”.
    It is long overdue to take Israel to task for its behavior.
    It seems that the non-aligned countries are starting to put pressure on Israel through the United Nations, demanding that Israel abide by IAEA and non-proliferation agreements regarding its nukes.

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  33. Heros says:

    “Many Israelis are emigres from Russia and there are close ties between the two countries”

    The border of the Pale of Settlement actually ran almost precisely along the border of present day Russia and Belorussia down south through Ukraine and its border with Novorussia.

    It would seem to me that none of these Israeli fake jews claiming “Russian Heritage” were ever Russian in any sense of the word, their ancestors never lived in present day Russia, nor in present day Israel for that matter. They were always nothing more than fake jew communists who ritually sacrificed the Tsar, the Russian Orthodox Church, it’s Priests, and then raped and looted Russia and all the rest of the empire. Israelis are all just fake jews who can tell lies fluently and simultaneously in multiple goy languages,

    These “close ties” between Russia and Israel are no different than the “close ties” of the US, the remains of the British Empire, and the entire EU. These are the ties of a vassal to his master. Just as we live under ZOG, so do the Russians too.

  34. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    In the French denomination, the Auvergne is a FREMM, anti-submarine, not FREDA, air-defence. The French FREMM, if the French MoD doesn’t lie, is equipped with 16 missiles Aster 15 for self-defence. The FREDAs are equipped with 16 more missiles Aster 30. Let’s say that the Auvergne is in fact equipped with Aster 30 instead of Aster 15 missiles, I say instead because there would be little room left for its alleged main capabilities if equipped with both, the likelihood that the French would fire one at a Russian reconnaissance plane is still less than the plane being hit by mistake by Syrian air-defence. Why would the French down a distant slow moving Russian reconnaissance plane? It would make sense if the plane was much closer to the Auvergne, in which case an Aster 15 would have done the job. The thing is that it seems that as much as the Il-20 was between the Syrians and the Israelis, Israelis were between the French and the Russian plane. Unless the French and the Israeli hardware are fully integrated, you have to have a hell of a confidence in your stuff to fire a missile to down the Russian plane in such circumstances. Though the Aster 30 has vertical launch and anything is possible. I can be wrong but I just find it unlikely.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  35. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The Israelis for their part were using four F-16 fighter bombers to stage a surprise night attack on several sites near Latakia, close to the airbase being used by the Russians.

    Not only that, but the IDF LIED to Russia, stating they were going to attack targets in N. Syria, not around Latakia.

    It appears that French frigate did fire on Syria, in the hopes that Russia would respond, then Macaroni would cry out to NATO for help under Article 5, which says, “An attack against one is an attack against all” and off we’d go to who knows where, maybe WWIII.

    Israel needs to be dis-armed of its NBC arsenal; nukes, biological and chemical weapons, which they will deny having, but as usual, it’s just another LIE coming from a nation filled with religious zealots who think some G-d they created will protect them from nuclear bursts and that they have the G-d given right to kill any Gentile they want, w/o repercussions.

    • Replies: @mr meener
  36. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    And Macron is an egomaniac with and Oedipus complex who oftens makes non-sensical sentences that send his admirers into trance. The only plus of Macron compared to Erdogan is that he knows his masters. The down side is that he doesn’t know his own country, while Erdogan does. So yes, it is possible.

  37. @Ronald Thomas West

    I left a response on the Fort Russ article asking them to explain exactly why French naval personnel would wish to sacrifice their lives for the greater glory of the gerontophiliac juvenile war criminal in Paris. How, I asked Fort Russ to explain, did the monsieurs on the French tin can know that Russia wouldn’t shoot back and send them all to Davy Jones’ Locker?

    Fort Russ’ response? It deleted my comment rather than defend its claim.

    I’m through with Fort Russ.

  38. KenH says:

    The Nuremberg standard was only set up to be used against goyim and goy nations who don’t have Jewish occupation governments. Israel must be pretty stupid as if wider, regional war breaks out then Tel Aviv should be considered a legitimate target and in the event of a nuclear war no doubt Russia has nukes destined for Tel Aviv and rightly so.

  39. @Justsaying

    “The Black leadership role has now been essentially reduced to making the odd noise after the shooting of an unarmed Black by a White cop.”

    As a brown person in Asia I grew up inculcated with the idea that I must always be in solidarity with black people in America and they would be with me (it was the 1970s, Malcolm X was still a fresh memory, Muhammad Ali still strode the scene like a colossus, and Martin Luther King Jr was still thought of as a hero in most circles).

    Today, black Americans are people so wallowing in self abnegation that they mass voted for the racist war criminal Killary Clinton, owing to whose actions black people in America were incarcerated in hitherto unknown numbers; due to whose crimes black people in Haiti were looted to destitution; because of whom black people in Libya are literally being sold as slaves. Black Americans parade around saying “black lives matter”, but are more than happy voting for war criminals who loot Haitian blacks, enslave Libyan blacks, massacre Somali blacks, deprive Sudanese blacks of life saving drugs, and plot to imperialistically occupy Africa, a continent of black people. Forget about us brown people, to American blacks in 2018, black lives do *not* matter.

    Only virtue signalling and tribal identity matters. Nothing else.

    Malcolm X would spit on them.

    • Agree: RobinG, Iris
  40. Mike P says:
    @Vojkan

    Why would the French down a distant slow moving Russian reconnaissance plane?

    One might as well ask, why were the French on the scene in the first place?

    In the scenario being discussed here, the French did not shoot for self defence, but because they were told to. Macron would be the perfect lapdog for the job.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @ploni almoni
  41. Rhetorical question: Why are Jews constantly on the forefront of political agitation, news manipulation, international subversion, and cultural destabilization?

    Just wondering.

  42. It is all about the partitioning of Syria. The only guy in this mess trying to save Syria from the planned slice up by everyone fighting there is Assad. Russia, Israel, United States, Turkey, France, Great Britain, China, etc. are all “in it” for their own selfish interest. Moscow’s own words are: “The Syrian conflict will be “resolved” on Russia’s terms, even if Mr. Assad proves dispensable to the Kremlin in the long run.” Putin will perhaps allow Assad to remain in Syria, but Assad will have to watch as his country is “sliced and diced”, and he will be little more than a Putin puppet. Belt and Road Initiative is the goal here.
    In this case, Israel is like the little bully in the school yard. Acting big and talking trash, even punching the other kids in the face. They will continue to be this bully as long as the big dumb kid(Murica)has it’s back and is physically able to beat the snot out everyone in the middle east playground.
    This link is to the globalist(mainly China)plan to deal with supper bad guy Assad.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12848/china-syria-belt-road

    • Disagree: FB
    • Replies: @Mike P
  43. Respect says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Never underestimate colonialist France .

    France a real FUKUS country ( France -UK-US )

  44. Zionists have controlled every facet of the U.S. government for over 100 years since the passage of their privately owned Federal Reserve Act and the IRS in 1913 which gave them the ability to create money out of thin air and the ability to tax the American people to pay for the wars that the Zionists were the agent provocateurs in starting beginning with WWI and on down to the Mideast and Syria.

    Zionists are Satanists and wars are a sacrifice to their god lucifer and their favorite way of making money as they control not only the U.S. gov but also the major banks and the MIC and the MSM and so they have kept America in perpetual wars for over 100 years for their goal of a satanic Zionist One World Gov aka NWO.

    Currently the Zionists have the U.S. and NATO engaged in destroying the Mideast for the greater Israel project and as part of this the U.S./Israel/Britain/ NATO and the Saudis and France created ISIS aka AL CIADA as a proxy terrorist force to do the killing on the ground while the former did the bombing and via the bombing the killing of millions of innocent civilians on the ground.

    This Mideast slaughter house was set up by Israel and the Zionist controlled deep states attack on 911 that murdered some 3000 lives and was blamed on Bin Laden and the Arabs, when in fact every thinking American knows Zionists and Israel did 911.

    Israel and the Zionists will be the destruction of America.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @EagleEye
  45. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Well, Bill, Russia practices entirely too much self-restraint to my taste too, but I suspect you underestimate the ego-priapism of the French (you should see the exaggerated ‘packages’ on the statues of their military heroes), it’s not like that culture plays with a full deck or level mentality. Bottom line: Russia doesn’t want World War III and the priss Gauls are perfectly willing to take advantage of that in the negative, you might better understand the Western gang mentality. Insofar as assigning a modicum of ‘normalcy’ (rationality) to the French militarist idiots, it’d be a mistake, they might notice they’d backed-buttocks into the nuclear launch button if you separated them from on-ship lover with a pry-bar. Sort of like Dien Bien Phu and catastrophic political-military miscalculation.

    Gerontophiliac? Rumor has it rather Macron is in love with his Muslim beating bodyguard. The ‘elderly’ woman seems to be great cover…

    • Replies: @annamaria
  46. The israelis using the hotline just a minute before the shoot down is very similar to when the yid army gives notice to a palestinian family just a minute before blowing up their house. They think it’s all funny.

  47. What Israel is really thinking when it seeks to create anarchy all around its borders is anyone’s guess

    Israel will be thinking much the same as the diaspora thinks when it uses Third World immigration to shatter the West: It’s good for the Jews.

  48. @mark green

    Mark Green, it’s all part of that 2500- year dream.

  49. @mark green

    Mark James wisely asked:”Rhetorical question: Why are Jews constantly on the forefront of political agitation, news manipulation, international subversion, and cultural destabilization?
    Just wondering.”
    … Greetings Mark!
    …Add to list above that Israel is by far the world’s #1 sponsor of terrorism.
    … With interest I note how P.G. emphasized Russia’s having established a cordial “hotline” with the terrorist Israeli state, & even President Putin got bitten by Netanyahu’s unfriendly fire. Uh, what the hell is going on here, Mark?
    … Fyr, below is an article & corresponding video which ‘Merkins are systemically deprived to watch

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/24/575130/TERRORIST-ATTACK-IN-IRAN

  50. The intelligence officer’s art! How to spin a defeat into a victory! Putin is totally bogged down in Syria. Anybody who wants to can attack him and he doesn’t dare retaliate.

    • Replies: @Grumbler
  51. Mike P says:
    @Johnnie Walker Read

    I don’t see how it would be in Russia’s interest to slice up Syria, when in fact the Assad government is Russia’s vassal.

  52. Respect says:

    The french destroyed Libia https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/28/hillary-libya/

    There are french colonial troops in 5 african countries https://www.businessinsider.com/frances-military-is-all-over-africa-2015-1?IR=T

    France steals about 400.000 million euros per year from African ex-colonies with their currency ,the CFA franc ( Communnaute Francophone Africaine , currency ) https://africasacountry.com/2018/06/its-time-to-end-the-cfa-franc

    Never understimate french colonialism .

  53. annamaria says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    It is highly implausible that “Micron” has any power. The same can be said about the imbecile UK Parliament that allowed Mr. Gavin Williamson (a trained salesperson knowledgeable in fireplaces) to become a Secretary of Defence. Gavin’s only virtue is his superb sensitivity to the needs of mega-war profiteers and the Friends of Israel in the UK.

    Here is an analysis of the 9/17 event in Syria by Thierry Meyssan: http://www.voltairenet.org/article203086.html

    20 September 2018: “The Chief of Staff for the Israëli Air Force, General Amikam Norkin, arrives in a hurry to present his version of events. Once these proofs were checked and compared with other recordings, it transpired that Israël was lying straight-faced.”

    “On 17 September 2018, France, Israël and the United Kingdom carried out a joint operation against Syrian targets.

    1. A British Torpedo took off from Cyprus to land in Iraq. During the flight, it violated Syrian air space in order to scan the Syrian defences and make the allied attack possible.
    2. Less than an hour later, four Israëli F-16s and a French frigate, L’Auvergne, fired on targets in the Syrian governorate of Lattakia. The Syrian air defences protected their country by firing their S-200s against the French and Israëli missiles.
    3. During the battle, an F-16 used a Russian Ilyushin Il-20 as a shield. …

    The cowardice of the British and French leaders led them to censor all information concerning their responsibility in this operation. London made no comment, and Paris denied the facts. Neither the BBC, nor France-Television dared to mention the subject. For these two countries, more than ever, the reality of external politics is excluded from the democratic debate.

    In case the White House should find an acceptable narrative of the facts for its electors, Russia could forbid the United Kingdom, France and Israël from making any intrusion into the maritime, terrestrial and aerial space of Syria without the authorisation of Damascus.
    London and Paris would have to cease their threats of bombing under whatever pretext at all (false chemical weapons) and withdraw their special forces. This measure would be valid for all protagonists in general, except for the United States and, in Idlib, for Turkey.”

    — Neither the United Kingdom nor France nor Israël has a head of state. These states are indeed headless.

  54. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miggle

    … why doesn’t Putin ask them all to come back, warn them that Israel is a dangerous place to live, hopefully live?

    Because then Russia would once again become a dangerous place to live … for ethnic Russians.

    • LOL: Allan
  55. Vojkan says:
    @Mike P

    I agree Macron being the perfect lapdog for the job. I nevertheless find the scenario on Fort-Russ unlikely because of the relative positions of the actors, if they were their true positions, when the Russian plane was hit.

  56. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @steinbergfeldwtizcohen

    Repellent is right. They–especially the Israelis–remind me of the Ferengi race from Star Trek – Next Generation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferengi

  57. Russia’s MOD story is clear: the IL-20 had been flying around Idlib and was coming back when 4 fighters from Israel bombed Latakia and having accomplished their mission and also noticed of the incoming IL-20, instead of running away, decided to stay around for another objective. One of the fighter came close to the IL-20 which was going to land, and he gave him the “Judas’ kiss” calling for the Syrian DCA to shoot down the IL-20.

    It was not an accident, it was a pre-planned murder: Note that the Syrian DCA became ready only 10′ after the bombing of Lattakia and that the israelis had plenty of time to run away.

    It would be interesting to know if these fighters communicate with Israel before deciding to carry out this murder.

    I am glad to see that Russia is not behaving like the US when the USS Liberty was attacked by Israel. By deciding to send the S300 to Syria , improved their comminication system and jammed airplanes communication systems when attacking Syria, Russia is giving an appropriate answer which is going to improve drastically the defense capabilities of Syria and “cooled some aggressive hot heads”.

  58. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @mark green

    Tikkun Olam?

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist!

  59. @ValmMond

    There is no peace treaty between the US and Germany or the US and Japan. Are you telling us that the US is still at war with those countries ?

  60. Vojkan says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I don’t see that as a reason. The military obey orders and the French military are no different in that respect. They follow orders even when the policy pursued is flagrantly against the French national interest. Plus, the Russians haven’t retaliated so far, why would they start to all of a sudden? That said, I don’t think it was the French, for reasons I stated in other comments.

  61. Corvinus says:

    So Mr. Giraldi has in his headline “The Path To World War III”, then at the end of the story, says “The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation that could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington.”

    Except he and others lead us to same dead end–the probability is virtually nil that there will be war between our nation and Russia. Both sides realize the consequence would be fatal to each country, as well as the human race. It seems Giraldi enjoys ginning up Chicken Little scenarios.

    And should by a miracle that there is a war between the two superpowers, We The People will brace for impact. And then we shall see whether the Alt Right becomes “inevitable” in the aftermath, and whether the armchair warriors with their guns who claim on this blog that they cannot wait for the end of the world to establish dominance over their “enemies”–Jews, liberals, and feminists.

  62. @Vojkan

    I like what you are saying. I have also read Flores’s papers but I am not so sure that I can trust him. I am guessing that he might have said that just to create a diversion.
    If France had commited such a crime, Russia could sue all the fregate “Auvergne” crew for what would be a war crime.
    I think that it is much more problematic for Russia to pinpoint Israel for this crime as the Jewish power in Russia is still very stong, not far below from the one they have in the US and in Europe.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  63. Vojkan says:
    @annamaria

    Thierry Meyssan’s version seems highly plausible to me.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  64. nsa says:
    @mark green

    Read your Aesop. The scorpion bit the kindly frog in mid river, killing them both. It is the immutable nature of the jooies to ruin all they contact……. including eventually themselves.

  65. @annamaria

    The Syrian DCA woke-up only 10 minutes after the Israeli fighters had bombed Latakia. The israeli fighters having notice the incoming IL-20 were devising another trick. Knowing that by then the syrian DCA was awake, one of their fighters came close to the IL-20 to give him the “Judas kiss” and trigger the Syrian DCA. IT is just a plain Israeli murder. The story about the british torpedo and the french fregate requires some confirmation. “Ouï-dire” is not sufficient!

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  66. @annamaria

    Thierry Meyssan is entitled to believe the F16-IL20 story but it doesn’t mean I (or anyone else) has to, no matter many do. Admittedly my SAM qualification (Improved Hawk) days are decades behind the current era but the official story smells wrong.

    1) Russia is silent today on what they’d been open about 3 years ago, they have integrated command to Syrian air defense. The entire point of just such an integration would be to prevent such incident.

    2) Russia ‘only now’ taking steps to provide Syria with IFF (identification/friend/foe) to protect Russian aircraft from Syrian SAM fire sounds patently ludicrous; any competent military should have already coordinated this with an ally they are working with in war theater, and Russia is competent.

    3) Granted the IL20 is technically a surveillance, not electronic warfare plane, but it just sounds wrong it wouldn’t have capability to deflect a dated SAM system produced by Russia. These planes have to anticipate a ‘hot’ environment’, after-all, the plane’s application is specific to theater combat and (however classified secret, there is a lot the West doesn’t know about Russian systems) one should expect there would be some electronic self-defense component where a plane is designed to operate where a larger hot war could break out (opposed to limited proxy conflicts like in Syria.)

    Maybe (MAYBE) the Israeli F16 shadowing the IL20 story is true but it seems just as unlikely to myself this was the cause of the shoot-down.

    Headless? Meatheads is the common vernacular of my native dialect, defeating the folk wisdom ‘two nitwits make a halfwit.’

    • Replies: @annamaria
  67. @DESERT FOX

    Desert Fox said: “… when in fact every thinking American knows Zionists and Israel did 911.”
    Greetings from the Scranton front!
    … I like your integrity of thought & clear expression thereof , Desert Fox.
    … Fyr, below is posted an article from The Nation.
    … On September 13, Representative Tulsi Gabbard commendably took to the House floor and described Trump/Pence as al-Qaeda’s Big Brother; sponsor, advocate!
    … Such display of Congressional political courage signals to me that “Israel and the Zionists” have yet to COMPLETE the “destruction of America.” Uh, Tulsi Gabbard for president!

    https://www.thenation.com/article/tulsi-gabbard-on-the-administrations-push-for-war-in-syria/

    … Nonetheless, & based upon James Carden’s article, the daring Congresswoman almost outfoxed me by her assert ion that al-Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. (zzZigh)
    … Suppose Jewish Lobbies shall soon administer “The Cynthia McKinney” cure to Tulsi? Thanks very much for comments, Desert Fox!

  68. Z-man says:
    @Harold Smith

    Orange Clown’s a liar whose presidential campaign was a calculated bait and switch fraud from the beginning. Our presidential poseur obviously had no intention of following through on most of his pre-election intimations and campaign promises.

    I feel your sentiments but I’m still holding out hope for Donald. He is hemmed in by a mostly hostile Jew owned press, an even more hysterical Dumbo-crat party, never Trump Republitards, the ‘Deep State’ and so on. He has to assuage the rabid Zio-cons. To which, snakes like Alan Douche..err Dershowitz have come to Trumps defense. And what has Donald really given the Zionists over Obama? Not much that wasn’t already in the pipeline. The only thing he did was move the embassy to Jerusalem while still keeping open the final status to future treaties. Now his son in law’s plan for the middle east might be a disaster, but let’s just see. In a second term, I think, Trump would be tougher on The Zionist Entity, the only caveat being that I thought the same thing about Obama….

  69. Erebus says:
    @Jean de Peyrelongue

    I think that it is much more problematic for Russia to pinpoint Israel for this crime as the Jewish power in Russia is still very stong…

    Well, they did, and unequivocally so, calling them out publicly as liars and criminals.

    To make it less “problematic”, the Russian “Stavka” (aka: War Cabinet) appears to have sidelined Putin and put the Generals in charge of the war in Syria.

    The fact speak for themselves:
    – Shoigu blames IL
    – Putin contradicts him, and talks about “tragic errors”
    – Konashenkov shows that there was no “error”. The take down was clearly planned.
    – A meeting is held on Sunday at the Defence Ministry
    – On Monday, Shoigu contradicts Putin’s long held positions, and announces “play time is over”.
    – Putin stays publicly silent.

    Any political calculus will say that Putin has been persuaded/overruled by Russia’s security apparatus and that he Generals will now run the Syrian theatre.

    Look for a very different Russian stance going forward.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  70. Mike P says:
    @Vojkan

    Agreed; and in the context of Meyssan’s piece, it does not matter all that much which of the three partners in crime shot down the Russian plane. A key passage is this:

    The British-French-Israëli aggression is the response by these three countries to the Russian-Turkish agreement signed only a few hours earlier at Sochi. It came into play after the US refusal, at the beginning of September, to bomb Syria under false pretences, and the sending of a US delegation into the Arab world in order to express its disagreement with the British-French initiatives.

    It really seems that they did this behind Trump’s back, but I’d strongly suspect with the knowledge and consent of the DC swamp. That should bring things to a head in DC pretty soon.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Vojkan
  71. Vojkan says:
    @Jean de Peyrelongue

    Don’t know about the British Tornado flyover, but in the immediate aftermath the Russians said that they had detected a launch from the Auvergne. Ships in its class officially are loaded with 16 cruise missiles with ~1000 km range.

    • Replies: @Jean de Peyrelongue
  72. Z-man says:

    Even when The Zionist Entity wins it loses. Russia for all it’s conciliatory rhetoric after the incident is now sending Syria the more advanced S 300 SAM system. Izruel and America have protestest with that dog Bolton making the most noise but it’s too late. Fortunatley this time this news is being drowned out by all the domestic attacks on the Trump administration and the unfortunate Kavanaugh railroading.
    Going back to that Zionist bee-atch Bolton, he made a statement that American troops will be in Syria as long as Iranians are there. One commenter on another site said ‘oh, so we’ll be there as long as we’re in Korea’, lol.
    Bolton, a vile creature who deserves to be drawn and quartered.

  73. Vojkan says:
    @Mike P

    The French have indeed been far more hawkish on Syria than both Obama and Trump even though France has absolutely nothing to gain. That says a lot about who runs the show in Paris.

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @Z-man
  74. @Z-man

    ‘unfortunate Kavanaugh railroading’ … what a laugh. Clearly you (and the larger conservative community) aren’t clued in to the real issue with Kavanaugh. If the Dems derail that nomination, they’d be doing Trump a favor. Kavanaugh was the DoJ lawyer who pushed through the phony ‘Vince Foster suicide’ story when Foster was deemed a security threat to the Clinton-Bush-CIA cocaine op at Mena, Arkansas (referencing Iran-Contra, Barry Seal.) Foster had been the Arkansas governor’s liaison and bag-man moving Bill’s cut in the profit. Kavanaugh is just another Bush family ‘enterprise’ member and ‘et tu Brute’ personality the orange-haired sucker has been put up to appointing never realizing he’s massively strengthened the deep state opposed to him. Oh well.

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2018/07/12/kavanaugh-the-royal-nonsuch/

    • Agree: Johnnie Walker Read
    • Replies: @Z-man
  75. Z-man says:
    @Vojkan

    The British-French-Israëli aggression…

    Wow, remember the 1956 Suez Crisis where the same three attacked Egypt and America, which wasn’t yet completley owned at the time put a stop to it, granted after Israel had gotten most of what it wanted.

    That says a lot about who runs the show in Paris.

    … and London and, unfortunately, Washington D.C. too.

  76. Da Wei says:

    “What Israel is really thinking” is it worked with the USS Liberty.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  77. @Bombercommand

    ‘FB certainly got there “Firstest With The Mostest”, as the immortal Jeb Stuart would say.’

    It was simply ‘the first with the most,’ and it was Nathan Bedford Forrest who said it, not Jeb Stuart.

  78. @Da Wei

    ‘“What Israel is really thinking” is it worked with the USS Liberty.’

    It didn’t work with the Liberty. The idea was to convince the US the Egyptians had sunk it, and that certainly didn’t work out.

    About all Israel managed was the purely negative accomplishment of preventing an open break with the US. Even then, she alienated a great deal of the US defense and national security bureaucracy, and left anti-Israel agitators like myself with a dandy little arrow for their quiver.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Da Wei
  79. @Vojkan

    Yes but they seem to be unable to tell what kind of missile was launched and where it landed. I am surprised that they detect a missile launch but they fail to track it.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  80. c matt says:
    @steinbergfeldwtizcohen

    But they are nothing if not resilient and adaptable. The masters of “let’s you and him fight.”

  81. @Jean de Peyrelongue

    How else do you account for their continued military occupation (cast as bases from their biggest pal, the U.S., only there to defend them) after 70 years? Or the way in which Germany’s sovereignty is constitutionally impaired? Any comments on the reasons for Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo? Think, man.

    Once under the Hegemon’s heel, you stay there. Of course, that applies particularly to us “citizens” of the U.S. There is a historical precedent for that, namely the War Between the States wherein, by force of arms, it was established that, once under the Hegemon, there is no going back.

    This is the fate that would await Russia should the nation be subverted/broken up.
    The Russians know this, and they will resist with all of their might.

  82. skrik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    in return for something substantial

    Is that how you ‘work?’ Like, ’30 pieces of silver,’ say?

    • Replies: @ANON
  83. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hezbolla, Russia and Iran should restrict Notworthashit to his promised place

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  84. Respect says:

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article203086.html

    Meyssan believes that France and England , toghether with israel , were involved in the downing of the russian Iliushin .

    Ohhhh , never underestimate colonialist France and England .

  85. Z-man says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    That’s an interesting take, but I think that once this guy gets in to the SC he will be extra nice to Trump who backed him all the way.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  86. RobinG says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “Agree” isn’t exactly accurate since I’m not black or brown, but this is how your insightful comment will be more noticed.

  87. @Z-man

    “He is hemmed in by a mostly hostile Jew owned press, an even more hysterical Dumbo-crat party, never Trump Republitards, the ‘Deep State’ and so on. He has to assuage the rabid Zio-cons. ”

    That view is apparently held by lots of people; even Paul Craig Roberts, apparently. The problem is it doesn’t hold up to logical scrutiny, IMO.

    For example, how come Obama didn’t have to assuage the “rabid Ziocons”? In many ways, Trump’s become “Obama on steroids”; i.e., it seems he’s escalating conflicts everywhere. Compared to Trump, Obama’s looking like a “man of peace” yet I don’t remember hearing stories about anyone “out to get” Obama for insufficient global carnage.

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/op-ed/articles/2017-06-29/president-trump-is-doubling-down-on-president-obamas-drone-mistakes

    And how do you explain Trump’s behavior as documented here for example?

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/07/06/trump-pressed-aides-on-venezuela-invasion-us-official-says/

    Contrary to candidate Trump’s highfalutin rhetoric about diplomacy and peace, President Trump seems to love conflict. And if somebody’s forcing him to act this way against his will there sure aren’t any obvious signs of it, IMO.

  88. Z-man says:
    @Colin Wright

    …anti-Israel agitators like myself with a dandy little arrow for their quiver.

    LOL, yes that’s what we’ve been reduced to, fighting the good fight with anonymous names on web sites. But fight the fight we must!!

  89. Israel’s two pillars of impunity…. blind support by USA government which they own and an arsenal of nuclear weapons . These may be reversible…by the actions of American citizens communicating outside of the MSM and neocons and Israeli citizens outside of the Likud crazies. I give the former a 25% chance of success, the latter a 10%. Most likely these are irreversible and will result in the end times aka the apocalypse of Revelations. Get right with God, pray and ?prep?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  90. @Z-man

    “He is hemmed in by a mostly hostile Jew owned press, an even more hysterical Dumbo-crat party, never Trump Republitards, the ‘Deep State’ and so on. He has to assuage the rabid Zio-cons. ”

    That view is apparently held by lots of people; even Paul Craig Roberts, apparently. The problem is it doesn’t hold up to logical scrutiny, IMO.

    For example, how come Obama didn’t have to “assuage the rabid Ziocons”? In many ways, Trump’s become “Obama on steroids”; i.e., it seems he’s escalating conflicts everywhere. Compared to Trump, Obama’s looking like a “man of peace,” yet I don’t remember hearing stories about anyone “out to get” Obama for insufficient global carnage.

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/op-ed/articles/2017-06-29/president-trump-is-doubling-down-on-president-obamas-drone-mistakes

    And how do you explain Trump’s behavior as documented here for example?

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/07/06/trump-pressed-aides-on-venezuela-invasion-us-official-says/

    Contrary to candidate Trump’s highfalutin rhetoric about diplomacy and peace, President Trump seems to love conflict. And if somebody’s forcing him to act this way against his will there sure aren’t any obvious signs of it, IMO.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  91. RobinG says:

    Now legally available online -

    THE MAGNITSKY ACT – BEHIND THE SCENES

    http://www.magnitskyact.com/

    The film-makers have taken matters into their own hands. Still negotiating for a TV presentation, they’ve made their own website with brief written summary of their suppression by Browder, a feature trailer, as well as link to the full film. Please share with your friends.

    http://www.magnitskyact.com/

    (One has to ask, what method will Browder use to attack this?)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  92. @Jean de Peyrelongue

    Oh, I suspect that such information is well known to the Russians. Sometimes a strategic silence is useful and/or necessary. But if the French did fire a or several missiles, they may right now be sweating bullets, knowing that the Russians play a long game. When the blow comes, or from what direction it comes is suspenseful.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  93. Z-man says:
    @Harold Smith

    Actually Venezuela and Korea would be two places where American military power would be used for positive results.
    As to your main point, you miss the point. Obama was completely controlled by the Cabal. The Trumpmiester while bending over backwards for the Zionist entity isnt completley controlled hence festering hatred for him by the tribe. Eg., when he said he would ‘talk to the Iranians anytime’, maybe that was BS, but I’m sure it sent a shiver down the spines of all those serpents from the Beltway to Tel Aviv.

  94. @anon

    The “should” detaches the comment completely from the question. So…. you were saying?

  95. ANON[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @skrik

    Pathetic, cringeworthy doltish vacuity. Stop polluting UR you waste of space.

  96. @JerseyJeffersonian

    Jersey Jeffersonian contemplated awareness of Russian citizens, understandably wrote: “Oh, I suspect that such information is well known to the Russians.”
    … Fear & Loathing greetings from Scranton!
    … I get what you’re saying above, but my greatest concern is an engineered reduction of ‘Merkin awareness on the tragic unfolding of major theater war that’s instigated by ZUSA and Israel.
    … Please consider rereading the words of Philip Giraldi, below? Thanks…, Neighbor!
    “If one had read the New York Times or the Washington Post on the morning after the shoot-down or watched the morning network news it would have been easy to miss the story altogether. The corporate media’s desire to sustain established foreign policy narratives while also protecting Israel at all costs is as much a feature of American television news as are the once every five minutes commercials from big pharma urging the public to take medications for diseases that no one has ever heard of.”

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  97. @RobinG

    A Russian speaking friend who has more than once warned me not to be naive about the Russians persistent and versatile propaganda persuades me that one question to adk is what the Putin crew have got on Nekrasov, supposedly once a Browder friend.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  98. @Ronald Thomas West

    Comment #162, then follow replies. My apologies, #162 is September 23 so not before the FortRuss article. However FB gives careful reasoning, right or wrong, but the Flores articles are so fluffy I couldn’t read them through.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  99. Peter Maya says: • Website

    The roots of the fabrication of the State of Israel is Zionism, which in its very nature requires for its survival a permanent state of WARS of expansion, dominations of the oil fields, and the financing of the global war industries. Zionism is the very negation of peace, thus a jewish “state” can not and will find peace. After WW I,II the world Zionists leadership had been working hard to achieve their prime objective to create a jewish homeland but had not adopted a narrative that persuaded the world that such state was needed. The Holocaust (real, exaggerated) gave Zionist the perfect justification for demanding the creation of Istael as a MORAL obligation to prevent the “extermination” of the worlds jewry under constant historical existencial threat. Althought historically most jews had managed to live and PROSPER comfortably and peacefully in their birth countries. Today is not the survival of the jews and Israel that is at risk, paradoxically Israel has become the main perpetrator of driving the systenmatic extermination of the Palestinian (semite) people and their country, In fact Israel accuses its neighbors of conspiring to obliterate the jewsih “nation”, BUT now it is a fact that is not Israel existance at stake quite the opposite the Palestinian NATION and its people are the prime target of Zionists and their allies that seek to erase Palestine and its people from the face of the earth. Palestine is a nation under siege confronting a genocidal Israeli policies military, economically, culturally etc. In pursuing this objective Israel has become a roque nation carrying criminal polices with absolute disregard for any RULE of LAW local or INTERnational, such as the use of chemical weapons, mass killings, indiscriminate carpet bombings of civilian, expanding illegal settlements, annexing lands illegally , officially becoming aa APARTHEID state, a systematic violations of the most basic fundamental rules, HUMAN rights with impunity. Into this chaos, Zionist anarchism mass murder black hole the USA will find itself inexorably trapped, and rip its consequences domestically and internationally without any moral, legal, leverage to mediate peace. Altnough many American jewish neocons Zionist contend that a Anglo/American/Israeli allianace will guarantee their hegemony over the world and their resources: OIL, gold, lands etc. It is a proven FACT that Israel is ready to act Unilaterally and ignore, in fact refute any minimal demands from USA,UK, France even subverting them, cooperating with their enemies…..privately Zionist propose such insanity as the Sampson Option, to destroy the world in the name of their blind paranoi neurotic dfense of any real or imagine threats to Israel..Can such world injustice illegal illegitimate INmoral INhuman tyranny survive without MORE wars, insurgencies, live by the sword die by the sword. The JEWS blew it they could had a “state” in peace had they renounce in 1948 to any EXPANSING policies, hence Zionist Do NOT care about jews/Israel/ all they care is POWER$$$.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  100. @Z-man

    Well, I wouldn’t count on it. Trump appointed Jeff Sessions who hired Rod Rosenstein who’s screwing Trump… if you look at precedents concerning Trump appointments, that one kind of jumps out -

    • Replies: @Z-man
  101. RobinG says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    OMG, as if we needed further evidence of your [the Olde Wizzer] lack of agency. Sad. But the answer to my question is already emerging, as Garland Nixon discovers during this interview.

    FAULT LINES with Nixon and Stranahan

    WATCH THE FILM: The Magnitsky Act – Behind the Scenes @ http://www.magnitskyact.com/ | Andrei Nekrasov

  102. … As a veteran since 1970′s, I followed US Army media recruitment Jingo’s.
    … One of my all time favorites is, “Be all that you can be…” join the Army!
    … Now that ‘Merkins got a Zionized military, * ambitious and literate young men & women have an alternative to serve their lost-country and “Be all you can be” & enlist into the Jewish Corporate Media Machine! Yippee? Uh, good paying job?
    … (Zigh) In the Veterans Today article, linked below, Kevin Barrett is really being all he can be to help citizens become AWARE.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/25/ahvaz/

    * Fyi, for newcomers assembled here, Philip Giraldi provided a great article on the ‘Merkin Zionized military.

  103. Z-man says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Yeah you have a point but Trump (thru Sessions) had to hire a ‘Jew Deep Stater’ like Rosenstein to protect his flanks, at that time, imho. Even now with all the NY Times BS it will probably benefit Trump to keep ‘Rosie’ on the payroll. It’s a ‘keep your friends close and your enemies closer’ sort of thing. (Grin)

  104. Realist says:

    There is, of course, an alternative explanation for the Israeli action. Netanyahu might have considered it all a win-win either way, with the Russian plane masking and enabling the Israeli attack without consequence for Israel or, perversely, producing an incident inviting retaliation from Moscow, which would likely lead to a shooting war with the United States after it inevitably steps in to support Israel’s government.

    So the US has no qualms about starting a nuclear war, that means that if Russia backs down the US has Russia by the balls….and will do as it pleases.

    It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle East.

    You still believe Trump is legit? Trump is a Deep Stater and is playing his supporters for fools. Explain Bolton.

  105. @Z-man

    “Actually Venezuela and Korea would be two places where American military power would be used for positive results.”

    Pure interventionist nonsense.

    “As to your main point, you miss the point. Obama was completely controlled by the Cabal. The Trumpmiester while bending over backwards for the Zionist entity…blah blah blah”

    Glib, sophistic nothingburger.

    • Disagree: Z-man
    • Replies: @byrresheim
  106. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Someone has to be dominant Corvinus.

    This is unfortunate as whatever hope we might have had for a Republic was destroyed and not in small measure due to the “enemies.”

    Right now the “enemies” are in control. And they are presiding over the destruction of a once functioning nation.

    After the deluge? Unlikely to be the “enemies” given their manifest failings.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @lavoisier
  107. Zumbuddi says:
    @Peter Maya

    Read with interest but got snagged on “AFTER WWIi . . .”

    Zionism pre-dated WWIi by > 50 years, that is, it ACTIVELY pursued its agenda of taking over Palestine, from a time Before Hitler was born.

    If it is true that zionism manifests as an evil force in Palestine, as well as an evil and dominating force over US policy, and we have daily evidence that both are the case;

    and IF we hold that “the leolard does not change its spots;”

    THEN we must conclude, or at least comfidently hypothesize, that it was Zionism that brought about WWIi, INCLUDING much of, if not most of the deaths suffered in that war — the so-called Holocaust.

    German National Socialism arose in rational resistance to the Jewish – zionist leopard.

    So thoroughly has the world been brai washed that even such courageous critics as Israel Shamir and Hilad Atzmon hold the belief that negative patters within Jewishness were baked in the cake from its very inception 3500 years ago, but were somehow suspended over the twelve year period 1933 – 1945 when Zionist activity in Palestine and to drive selected diaspora Jews into Palestine, and to eugenically eliminate undesireable Jews from inclusion, a la Moses and the Levites at Mt Sinai, was at a peak of i tensity.

    -

  108. Corvinus says:
    @lavoisier

    “Someone has to be dominant Corvinus.”

    Well, that’s not going to be you.

    “This is unfortunate as whatever hope we might have had for a Republic was destroyed and not in small measure due to the “enemies.”

    Our Republic has not been destroyed. It is observably remains in existence today.

    “Right now the “enemies” are in control. And they are presiding over the destruction of a once functioning nation.”

    Assuming those groups indeed are the “enemies”. And our nation remains functioning.

    Now, on a more important note, if and when this World War III ever happens, are you going to be front and center throwing your “enemies” from helicopters, or are you going to stay on the sidelines while others do your dirty work for you?

  109. annamaria says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    It is not for nothing that the British “elites” are compared to drug pushers and pimps because racketeering, thieving, drug dealing, and pimping are all that the Citi of London, the heart and mind of the empire, is good at.
    The “elites” are nothing but a collection of thugs.

    A documentary “The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire:” ‘https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @RobinG
  110. anarchyst says:
    @General Koofta

    Israel’s “arsenal of nuclear weapons” is already distributed in major cities around the world.
    No delivery systems are needed as they are already “in place”.
    The recent power outage in Atlanta was a convenient situation for Israel, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and then take off without undergoing American customs inspection. You see, Israeli companies have a “special dispensation” from the U S government which allows it to avoid customs inspections.
    Just maybe, another Israeli nuke was being positioned “for the big one” or nuclear triggers were being replaced.
    The “samson option” is real…with the world being held hostage to “that sh!tty little country” in the middle east…

  111. annamaria says:
    @Z-man

    What else to expect from Bolton the dodger?
    “John Bolton has never been to war… He wrote in his Yale 25th reunion book, “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost…”
    Bolton was instrumental in derailing a 2001 biological weapons conference in Geneva convened to endorse a UN proposal to enforce the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention.”

    – John Bolton is a pest and coward; he is a profiteering opportunist despised by honest people: http://themoderatevoice.com/john-bolton-is-not-a-hawk-hes-a-draft-dodger-big-time/

    • Replies: @Den Lille Abe
    , @tac
  112. mr meener says:

    the jew cries out in pain as he airstrikes you

  113. @ChuckOrloski

    “The transfer of advanced weapons systems into irresponsible hands will increase the dangers in the region,” Netanyahu told Putin, according to Israeli media. The prime minister also claimed that “Israel will continue to defend its security and its interests.” On September 25, top Israeli leadership held a security cabinet meeting on the matter.

    The only way the S-300 missile system, vdeveloped to defend against aircraft and cruise missiles for the Soviet Air Defense Forces, increases dangers to the region is if hostile nations lose aircraft when attacking Syria, and then it is dangerous only to the attackers.

    Israel is crying foul, Israel is taking a stance similar to a spoiled child abuser who has just been told he can no longer fondle the helpless neighborhood children.

    On September 24, US National Security Adviser John Bolton also commented on the S-300 delivery to Syria claiming that it’s a “significant escalation” and accusing Iran of the IL-20 incident.

    “There shouldn’t be any misunderstanding here … The party responsible for the attacks in Syria and Lebanon and really the party responsible for the shooting down of the Russian plane is Iran,” Bolton told media.

    Bolton is playing to an audience that does not have a vote in this matter. Moreover, his statement is illogical. If having a defensive capability is escalation, then perhaps Israel should take the lead in de-escalation by removing all of its “Iron Dome” defensive capabilities.

  114. @Deschutes

    That is correct. This is the same M.O. the deep state in the UK used during the Boer Wars to seize the gold mines where they invented concentration camps which killed 40,000 women and children. They started WW1 too. They made alliances with France, Russia, Italy and Japan to annihilate Germany. They promised to give Russia the Dardanelles. They lied to the UK government and the people for a massive military buildup, especially the navy, to crush Germany. Then they stirred up trouble in the Balkans to light the fuse. The Rothschilds financed much of this. Note the comment above that Macron worked for Banque de Rothschild in Paris. He is a member of the club. Their goal is for the English speaking white race to conquer the world. They want to annihilate Russia. Iran is one of their stepping stones. Their operatives have infiltrated the major institutions in the U.S. Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. The Bushes belong to the skull and bones society. The deep state is trying to get rid of Trump.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Den Lille Abe
  115. guibus says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Exactly ! Holocaust or Shoah is a jewish sacrificial ritual.

  116. @anarchyst

    anarchyst informed: “You see, Israeli companies have a “special dispensation” from the U S government which allows it to avoid customs inspections.”
    Greetings anarchyst!
    … Given veracity of the above information, I am figuring the layers of vital airport management staff are also necessarily complicit.
    … Hearken back to the Reagan administration and the presidents concern about ‘Merkin consumer flight infrastructure flow, & the nationwide firing of unionized PATCO air traffic controllers who were on strike?
    … Nowadays, given Israeli crafts having “special dispensations,” one must figure the Atlanta air traffic controllers know a lot about the airport’s recent power outage & special dispensation.
    … In addition, the airport security and emergency response faculties must know a lot that cannot be spoken in public. (Zigh) … Maybe one day a pissed & disgruntled (critical) Atlanta airport staff-member will “spill the beans,” and of course get, eh hem, grounded?
    … Thanks, anarchyst.

  117. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    For a brown person who grew up in Asia you have an excellent command of the English language; the subtitles of word order, use of possessives and person. Impressive writing skills!

  118. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @ValmMond

    what does this mean ? Does it mean Israel doesn’t want to conclude a treaty It does But Syria will not offer one until and unless aggression is rolled back to 1967 and unless and until Golan is returned. So technically Syria has every right to destroy Israel . But Israel has no right to mount any attack .But it attacked 200 times . Israel is wrong on this . It is so wrong that a total elimination of it and those supporting its current aggressive existence are justified .

    Israel has exposed its true face after hiding behind the followings: oil- Bush -911- Kuwaiti occupation- gas attack on Kurds to conceal its true identity as the sole power behind attacking Iraq . Now US will not do enough so it has to start the war. The true nature of the Zionist.

    Israel would have claimed that it had nothing to do with destruction of Syria if Obama had attacked Syria in 2013 or had Trump continued attacking Syria .

    • Replies: @ValmMond
  119. Iran could acquire a ballistic missile with an appropriate EMP causing warhead to plunk down over Israeli’s high tech industry. If any Israeli got a prior knowledge of this, they could short their stocks and make a lot of money.

  120. geokat62 says:
    @Charles Carroll

    Their goal is for the English speaking white race to conquer the world.

    Ever heard of Hart-Cellar and the Open Society Foundation?

  121. Rurik says:

    Israel is now carrying out almost daily air attacks on Syria, over 200 in the past 18 months, a country with which it is not at war and which has not attacked it or threatened it in any way.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-transfer-of-s-300-missiles-to-syria-a-declaratory-achievement-with-little-significance-1.6495193

    • Replies: @Mike P
  122. Lest we forget how this whole mess started: “A Short History Of The War On Syria – 2006-2014″

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/a-short-history-of-the-war-on-syria-2006-2014.html

  123. Agent76 says:

    Jun 6, 2017 America’s Reign of Terror: A Nation Reaps What It Sows

    The U.S. government is creating the terror. It is, in fact, the source of the terror. Just think about it for a minute: almost every tyranny being perpetrated against the citizenry—purportedly to keep us safe and the nation secure—has come about as a result of some threat manufactured in one way or another by the U.S. government.

  124. @anarchyst

    “Of course the Israelis will feign “ignorance” or claim that a “mistake” was made…”

    Even if they claim it 47 times, the mathematical probability of a true mistake behind
    this tragic event will be lower than one’s chances to hit the jackpot by buying a single
    ticket of Power-Ball or Mega-Million (naturally assuming that these lotteries aren’t
    totally rigged– otherwise, i.e. in reality, it’d be a comparison with zero).

    The same is true for what happened to USS Liberty 51 years ago, and for these both
    events as a whole.

  125. @Bombercommand

    If FB’s technical analysis is correct, the argument is persuasive. Btw, Don’t be too hard on Flores, his political analysis is lucid, different approach, same conclusion.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @Vojkan
  126. Mike P says:
    @Rurik

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-transfer-of-s-300-missiles-to-syria-a-declaratory-achievement-with-little-significance-1.6495193

    Not going to pay for that Haaretz rag, but I seriously doubt that any serious military men will find the S300 delivery inconsequential – this title sounds like whistling past the graveyard to me.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  127. L says:

    I can not help but to add this line from Col. Cassad.

    https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2018/09/25/i-think-shoigu-has-won-the-argument-with-putin-about-how-to-handle-this/

    I think the hour is not far off when we shall remind Israel of the possibilities of rocket complexes of strategic purpose with multiple nuclear warheads. Anyway, Gopnik the inadequate (Гопников-неадекватов) will have to return to reality.

    “Gopnik the inadequate (Гопников-неадекватов) will have to return to reality.

    That one may well stick and lets hope the murderous regime comes to reality.

  128. Z-man says:

    “There shouldn’t be any misunderstanding here … The party responsible for the attacks in Syria and Lebanon and really the party responsible for the shooting down of the Russian plane is Iran,” Bolton told media.

    If it wasn’t so tragic and false it would be comical. Bolton, the lowest form of sapient life extant. He should be drawn and quartered. Actually that’s letting him off the hook too easy. He should be beaten to death by a mob of Palestinan victims of Zio-con aggression. (Looking down at shoes w/grin) (Wink)

  129. @Mike P

    Quite. WW III began in April when NATO tested Russian defenses in Syria under the phony pretext of punishing Syria for chemical weapons which the US said no longer existed in 2013. Shooting down the Russian plane and highly trained crew is part of “degrading” the enemies’ capabilities and if the Russians sank the expendable French ship, as NATO doubtless hoped, it would have helped to get the French public opinion on board. WW II took a while to heat up and since this is the last war for this crop of earth dwellers, expect it to take longer to get going. But everyone is going to get just what they deserve. It is very important when you are starting a war to make it look as if the other side started it, while you are innocent and just legitimately defending yourself; the other side is the “Aggressor.” Britain and France attacked Germany in WW II with a hasty last minute agreement with Poland in May 1939 ( which Chamberlain said was forced on him by dark forces ), but the Germans were put on trial. Russia earlier acceded to Israel’s friendly request not to put advanced weapons in Syria. Now the Israelis are going to have to swallow that. Sit back and enjoy the show. When your time comes it won’t hurt a bit.

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @annamaria
  130. @windwaves

    Thanks for proving it’s always about hating Jews.
    Too bad more of your Lefty SJW buds don’t have the stones to admit it.

    • Troll: Colin Wright, Them Guys
    • Replies: @druid
    , @Moi
  131. RobinG says:
    @annamaria

    Thanks for posting, “The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire,” an excellent expose of The City’s offshore banking havens, where trickster vulture capitalists like Bill Browder stash their loot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8

    Been following George Papadopoulos’ twitter, @GeorgePapa19 where he slams Israel and Britain?? He’s posting his truth unfolds. “Coincidence? An ISRAELI diplomat named Christian Cantor introduced me to AUSTRALIAN intelligence officer, Erika Thompson, as his “girlfriend” in April 2016. Both confessed how much they hated Trump. After I humiliate UK prime minister David Cameron, Erika introduces me to Downer.”

    Chaos at the #DOJ … Is #Rosenstein In or Out???

  132. lavoisier says: • Website
    @lavoisier

    Not too interested in throwing anyone from helicopters. In fact, I would rather this war be won through force of argument than force of arms. But if a mob (or the police) shows up at my house and wants to burn it down because I want to express my right to free speech and do not support any more wars on behalf of Israel, I hope that I would be inclined to put up some kind of a fight.

    I would prefer to take up the battles by pointing out to others, including you Corvinus, how far our Republic has fallen. And trying to make you understand that the “enemies” are in no small measure responsible for that decay that has infected the West.

    We are a sinking ship Corvinus.

    Tower of Babel, filled with irrationality and lies.

    An evil Empire.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @alexander
  133. Z-man says:
    @lavoisier

    Tower of Babel, filled with irrationality and lies.
    An evil Empire.

    Bears repeating.

  134. @Ronald Thomas West

    Thank you for your courteous reply RTW. I will heed your advice regarding M. Flores.

  135. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    False info? :

    ”The US has said Russia is in violation of the Open Skies Treaty because they are not allowing flights over Kaliningrad, a Russian exclave between Lithuania and Poland where Moscow has a significant military footprint.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/20/politics/open-skies-russian-plane-certified/index.html

    Risky behavior:

    Georgia Undermines Open Skies Treaty By Ceasing Obligations Toward Russia – Moscow

    https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/georgia-undermines-open-skies-treaty-by-ceasi-440527.html

  136. tac says:

    The well-known White Helmet and Jund-Al-Aqsa terrorist Muawiya Hassan Agha along with his terrorist accomplices were present at the site of the devastating bombing of civilians being evacuated from the Shiite villages of Fuah and Kafriya on April 15, 2017 as proven by his own acknowledgement. This fact was made known on his own Facebook page. ( Additional note – Facebook allows the terrorists in Syria free rein to promote themselves- many of their own posts show them leading a double life as both weapon carrying terrorists conducting atrocities and fake White Helmet humanitarian rescuers saving small children. Many of their postings include actual beheadings even though the posting of these horrific warcrimes is in clear violation of Facebook’s own posting policies, however, it seems Facebook continually allows this to go on unchecked. Many of the pictures attained by online terrorist trackers and researchers come from these unregulated Facebook pages.

    [...]

    Muawiya Hassan Agha and his jihadists accomplices, who have appeared as White Helmets, Jund Al Aqsa and Al Qaeda, should be among the primary suspects of the bombing attack in Rashideen. There is also the suspicion that this group is responsible not only for the bombing, but also for the subsequent abduction of numerous persons, most of them children, in terrorist controlled towns in the province of Idlib, and the exploitation of the chaos caused by the bombing that was intentionally misreported by western media outlets.

    https://clarityofsignal.com/2017/04/21/western-media-cover-up-well-known-white-helmet-terrorist-was-present-at-rashideen-bus-bombing-that-killed-126-women-and-children-on-april-15-2017/

    The Islamic State is on the brink of total military defeat ― but don’t expect U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria to be coming home anytime soon.

    The Islamic State’s caliphate has collapsed. They have almost no territory remaining except for a small piece of eastern Syria and the militants appear to have very little combat power left.

    At the same time, ISIS is losing its international influence as terrorist attacks in the West are declining. And the latest intelligence reports suggest the group has very little ― if any ― operational control over its affiliate groups in other countries in Africa and beyond.

    Yet top U.S. officials at the Pentagon and the White House are avoiding anything that sounds like a declaration of victory.

    Many experts believe that’s because U.S. leaders want to maintain public support for other ground-level missions in the region that are harder to sell to the American people, politically.
    [,,,]
    U.S. troops in Iraq and 2,200 in Syria ― is to defeat and destroy ISIS.

    But recently the White House has begun to reveal a massive new mission on the horizon for U.S. troops in the Middle East: containing Iran.

    National security adviser John Bolton on Monday said countering Iran’s influence in Syria and elsewhere is a major goal of the U.S. military mission in the Middle East.

    “We’re not going to leave as long as Iranian troops are outside Iranian borders, and that includes Iranian proxies and militias,” Bolton said, signaling a fundamental shift from the current counter-terrorism operations to a mission focused more on geopolitical maneuvering and proxy warfare.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/09/25/the-white-house-just-revealed-massive-mission-creep-in-syria-heres-why/#.W6r3Kpslrx1.twitter

    The Syria Deception: Al-Qaeda Goes to Hollywood:

    • Replies: @annamaria
  137. JC says:
    @Non Sum Qualis Eram

    all congress has to do is puts the screws to the jewish lobby…annalson saban singer and the whole boatload of jewish billionaires bribing congress

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  138. @Harold Smith

    Interventionist nonsense, indeed.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Disagree: Z-man
  139. renfro says:

    If you want to see American opinions on Israel Iran Russia USA from a reliable poll here it is..

    https://criticalissues.umd.edu/sites/criticalissues.umd.edu/files/nov_2017_umcip_questionnaire_final_version.pdf

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  140. ValmMond says:
    @Jean de Peyrelongue

    Both Japan and Germany surrendered unconditionally. According to international law, that is enough to end a war.

  141. RobinG says:
    @annamaria

    Oh my! This little article by Cypriot journalist Elias Hazou is really sweet. Personal, complete with all key points and great links, fantastically readable, this is a great piece to share. Red-Pill a friend, like this journo was red-pilled.

    The Magnitsky affair: the confession of a hustled hack
    A Cypriot journalist’s confession of how he too fell for the wrong account of the Magnitsky Affair

    http://theduran.com/the-magnitsky-affair-the-confession-of-a-hustled-hack/

    • Agree: Mike P
  142. ValmMond says:
    @anon

    Israel has no intention of ending the war with Syria. Au contraire. After all, there is such a thing as a hundred years wars. Except that the plan is to make others fight it for them. Israeli want much more than the Golan Heights. They want all of Syria west of Euphrates.
    Today’s zionists are messianic nuts and according to their cadastral mythology, Syria is a no-negotiable part of the Promised Land. Read the “Yianon Plan”. It’s all there.
    They are convinced that their choice is between expanding or disappearing. In a way, they have a point.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  143. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Well said and very well put. The struggles spearheaded by Frederick Douglas, Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, the Black Panthers, ML King among others had inspired millions across the globe including, as you suggest, Asians. A shared history of colonial savagery, wars of aggression, genocidal missions masquerading as proselytizing and civilizing ones led to the solidarity you allude to. Self-appointed African American “leaders” like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are quick to denounce White cops shooting unarmed African Americans and were outspoken opponents of apartheid South Africa but remain silent on the Israeli apartheid. Their silence on this issue has been deafening. Check deep in the AIPAC pockets and there you are sure to find them. Not a word from them of the infamous AFRICOM, the military collaboration between African countries and the US (an American creation) and under exclusive military command of the US, not African countries. This bit of imperial machination has been endorsed by 52 of 54 independent African countries. Sovereignty has basically been surrendered to the American Empire without a shot being fired, despite the crimes committed by the US and her NATO poodles in Libya and the US in Somalia. The betrayal of the cause for social justice has been steadily growing both in Africa and in the diaspora with no end in sight. Please check this out – https://www.blackagendareport.com/trumps-protection-racket-swamps-africa

    • Replies: @RobinG
  144. @anarchyst

    Nonsense and unproven consceptuals

    • Agree: Jeffery Cohen
    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @anarchyst
  145. @annamaria

    John Bolton is vile. I do not know if he is more vile than McCain who hppily left this world to reside in hell.
    Bolton needs a short stay in a Vernichtungslager and disappear through the chimney.

    • Replies: @druid
  146. @Charles Carroll

    ” Der endlösung der Englische probleme” is a good start.
    The sooner we get rid of the ruling Oligarchy in Engeland , the better. The British are thouroughly brainwashed though, so it will be some years of detoxification before we can accept them again

  147. Da Wei says:
    @Colin Wright

    Blaming the sinking on Egyptians would have been a strategy, but not the likely first cause of the attack. The Liberty was a recon ship and Israel had initiated a preemptive war. Liberty intel could have besmirched the Jews’ victim status and revealed their hypocrisy. Blaming Egypt and bringing the US in on Israel’s side would have been a thick layer of icing on their cake, had they succeeded in sinking our ship. How they didn’t, when even our own President was on their side, is truly remarkable and a testament to the Liberty’s crew.

    “About all Israel managed was the purely negative accomplishment of preventing an open break with the US.”

    They didn’t prevent a break with the US. Lyndon Johnson and the top Navy brass did that by silencing the survivors through threats and intimidation. In terms that Lyndon, himself, would use, but maybe only thought: America’s pecker was in Israel’s pocket. Still is.

    “(S)he (Israel) alienated a great deal of the US defense and national security bureaucracy, and left anti-Israel agitators like myself with a dandy little arrow for their quiver.”

    Are there signs of alienation from Israel on the part of any politician, arms merchant or anyone in the national security bureaucracy? Is there any possible way even one “dandy little arrow” could prick those pricks as much as a mosquito bite?

    Jews have owned our politicians, media and our money for a long damn time. They own the store and we work for them. After work we drink beer and grumble. So much for the agitators, Sisyphus.

    • Replies: @druid
  148. alexander says:
    @lavoisier

    We are indeed a sinking ship.

    “In just 18 years the entire US government has been transformed into a grotesque version of its former self. Where once there was a budget surplus, fidelity to the constitution, and accountability to the American People….

    There is now 21.5 trillion dollars in heinous debt from being lied into endless , unconstitutional wars of aggression in the middle east.

    And absolutely nothing is being done about it.

    We know where we are,…. We know how it happened,..The question is do we all just sink under the gargantuan burden of this heinous war debt….or do we take meaningful action?

    How about we ,the people, take a stand, and create some legislation ? There are over three hundred million of us, after all.

    I submit (for your perusal) a “rough draft” of a bill to be passed, by referendum of the American people, to our Congress.

    ” THE WAR FRAUD ACCOUNTABILITY ACT OF 2019 (retroactive to 2002)”

    ” In defense of the solvency of the United States and the American People, we hereby declare that any and ALL individuals, groups, think tanks, medias , journalistic enterprises, government agents…..who “CONSPIRED TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO WAR” be hereby held ACCOUNTABLE to the furthest extent of the law.
    We request that our Department of Justice combined with our National Security Agency and our Federal Bureau of Investigation(and if need be, the US Marines) form an emergency task force to capture and prosecute all these individuals and to seize all the ASSETS of these individuals, until the twenty two trillion dollar debt( their “defrauding ” created) is PAID DOWN.”

    The idea behind a bill such as this, is (first) its formatted correctly by some legal scholar (of course), then printed up ….and Spread out..through ALL fifty states….. We have volunteers, from every community ,garnering signatures , in EACH and EVERY DISTRICT in the country…..The first threshold we must pass is the 30 million signature threshold….then we move on to our representatives with the bill….making it crystal clear that this is OUR WILL..the Will of the People….to pass this bill into LAW…and we keep going….getting more signatures….40 million, 50 million….75 million Americans….all demanding accountability for the pernicious fraud that has destroyed our nation and upended our solvency…..

    If we all work together, as “one voice”, I think we can get this done…We can save our “sinking ship” by making the “defrauders” responsible for the “cost” of the disasters their “lies” created.

    With just a little leg work, We, The People , can become a our own forcing chamber of “accountability”.

  149. I’ll copy-paste here the comment I entered at my favorite re-blogging site:

    “Risky Israeli behavior threatens everyone” Yesssss! — and that’s exactly what the militant/political Zionists holding (temporary, one hopes) sway in Tel Aviv and ZioOccupied WashDC want it.

    Thanks, Phil. Terrific analysis, as always. (“What Israel is really thinking when it seeks to create anarchy all around its borders is anyone’s guess….” Yeah, it’s damnably difficult to try to guess the ‘thinking’ of a warped ideology and its criminally psychotic agents and fellow travelers–with emphasis on ‘psychosis.’)

    (“…Russian intelligence plane….” Hmmm: I’m moved to note that the USS Liberty, attacked and massacred by the Zioentity in international waters with the intent of leaving no trace of it or its crew on June 8, 1967, was an INTELLIGENCE SHIP. Connection?…e.g., the Zios don’t want anyone surveilling the battlefield, in comport with the Mossad’s mantra “By way of war wage deception”?)

  150. @Z-man

    As to your main point, you miss the point. Obama was completely controlled by the Cabal. The Trumpmiester while bending over backwards for the Zionist entity isnt completley controlled hence festering hatred for him by the tribe. Eg., when he said he would ‘talk to the Iranians anytime’, maybe that was BS, but I’m sure it sent a shiver down the spines of all those serpents from the Beltway to Tel Aviv.

    LOL, Obama signed the JPOA with Iran, and Trump tore it up. What is the use for Iranians to talk to him, so that he tear up next deal and proudly claim that I, Trump have subjugated the Iranian Regime, like I did to North Korea.

    How many Nuclear Plants North Korea has? How many have been destroyed yet? Under JPOA, the Heavy Water Plant has been shut down for destruction. Other Iran’s Nuclear Plants have to be under JPOA supervision and all the Nuclear Material has to be removed from Iran. Overnight North Korea becomes a Non-Nuclear Power by singing a piece of paper with Trump. North Korea is no longer a Devil State.

    Bush, Obama, Trump, Muller… all are Deep State.

  151. @Z-man

    Actually Venezuela and Korea would be two places where American military power would be used for positive results.

    Why? Because you have been told by MSM. And, you are ready to embargo, sanction and subjugate innocent people.

    Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria…. are not enough for you!

    • Replies: @Z-man
  152. @Colin Wright

    The whole point of the six day war was a massive land grab by Israel.

    Why would Israel offer to give the land back for peace? Why would anyone buy into that story?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  153. Below, a great article by Paul Craig Roberts; no waffling, he pierces the phoney GWOT and blatant land grab, formation of Greater Israel!

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/25/is-russia-being-betrayed-by-its-own-intelligensia/

  154. lavoisier says: • Website
    @JC

    And why would the whores in Congress want to do that?

    These guys are getting rich feeding at the trough.

    They do not mind selling their souls and the country for the shekels.

  155. lavoisier says: • Website
    @alexander

    Good plan and I am all for it.

    The problem is that a lot of “we the people” are totally ignorant about what has happened to the country and in fact are all on board with the worship of Zion and fighting wars on behalf of our indispensable and noble friend.

    But the more people learn that we have been had–by the Zionists and the myriad Bush, Clinton, Obama and McCain garden variety traitors who infect our government–we will be in a mess.

    I do not see a reasonable and peaceful solution to our problems. But I fully agree that we have to try.

    • Replies: @alexander
  156. annamaria says:
    @ploni almoni

    Both US and Israel produce and use the chemical/biological weapon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
    “Israel has not ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). … a chemical weapons program might be located at the Israel Institute for Biological Research in Ness Ziona. …
    Israel is not a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC).”

    “Secret American Laboratory Performs Deadly Human Experiments in Caucasus’ Georgia:” https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/21/bombshell-secret-american-laboratory-performs-deadly-human-experiments-in-caucasus-georgia/
    “…the US is developing a weaponized cholera virus at the Lugar Laboratory in Tbilisi, Georgia. The proposed mortality rate for this “product” will be 50% and there will be no vaccine. … The US Department of Defense took over this facility … the “scientific research” into animal and human diseases it claims to be carrying out is merely a front for developing new biological strains, viruses and bacteria, and then testing them on the Georgian population without asking for consent…” https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/01/18/richard-e-lugar-body-of-evidence-suggests-new-us-biological-warfront-opening-column-politics-region-caucasus-country-georgia/

    “Editor’s note: There will be no US investigation into Lugar, for the simple reason that Lugar Labs is one of two sites in Georgia that were used by the US and Israel to develop biological weapons” https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/12/former-georgian-ministers-urges-trump-to-investigate-experiments-at-lugar-laboratory/

    A memo for Nuky Haley and Mustached idiot Bolton: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-16/us-diplomats-involved-trafficking-human-blood-and-pathogens-secret-military-program
    “The US Embassy to Tbilisi transports frozen human blood and pathogens as diplomatic cargo for a secret US military program. … Pentagon scientists have been deployed to the Republic of Georgia and have been given diplomatic immunity…
    This military facility is just one of the many Pentagon biolaboratories in 25 countries across the world. They are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program – Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.”

  157. Z-man says:
    @Jeffery Cohen

    Calm down. Another poster that misses the points.
    The Zionists are having their way with Trump, right now, but they don’t completly control him, as when he says he’d meet with the Iranians. Might be bull but to the rabid Izraeli Firsters it sent a shiver down their spines thus the festering ‘resistance’ to Trump by The Chosen. Zionist Jews want total subjugation to Israel, as most politicians in Washington are.
    With regard to Venezuela and NKorea, military intervention would actually be good for the people living there and would have few negative impacts on America.
    In Venezuela all we have to do is help the Venezuelans get rid of the incompetent communist regime. No troops on the ground and very little collateral damage. That helps all of Venezuela’s neighbors who are being inundated with immigrants from Venezuela. And some of these immigrants could end up in the USA and we have enough immigrants. Maybe an international police force has to be sent in, temporarily, to help the country stabilize as the internal police forces are already disintegrating.
    As far as the NORKS, if they are not stopped they will have the capabilty to hit us with nuclear weopons. Not acceptable. The Koreans as a race are incapable of easy unification as the German race was able to do. A push night be needed. If Yung Fat Kim double crosses Trump on all these peace talks the Americans are within their right to destroy the NORKS nuclear capabilities. Hopefully Yung Fat Kim will see the light but China might be a problem by giving Kim covert help (delaying actions) as Trump is playing hardball with the Chinese on trade and like the Jews, to Chinese money isnt everything, it’s the only thing. (Grin)
    Sorry Cohen, I’m being sarcastic and blunt but it’s also all true, IMO. (Not humble)

    BTW, I was against the Iraq war and I’m for peace with Iran. And we should work with the Russians on stabilizing Syria. No wars for the Zionist Entity.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  158. annamaria says:
    @tac

    ” Shutting Down Free Speech in America: Government and Lobbyists Work Together to Destroy the First Amendment:” https://www.globalresearch.ca/shutting-down-free-speech-in-america-government-and-lobbyists-work-together-to-destroy-the-first-amendment/5655020
    “One of the organizations most interested in limiting conversations about what is going on in the world is the ADL [Anti-Defamation League] which claims that it is “the world’s leading organization combating anti-Semitism and hate of all kinds…”

    – The ADL is the same “combatant” that has been supporting the revival of Nazism in Ukraine: https://www.alternet.org/world/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis
    “If passed, Conyers’ amendment would have explicitly barred those found to have offered “praise or glorification of Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols” from receiving any form of support from the US Department of Defense. … Despite their stated mission to combat anti-Semitism and violent extremism, the ADL and Wiesenthal Center refused to support Jeffries and Conyers’ proposal.”
    – As the true zionists, the ADL and Wiesenthal Center are firmly in support of “glorification of Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols.”

    — Zi0nists’ support of Nazism: Nuland-Kagan from the influential Kagans’ clan of zionists “served as a foreign policy advisor to then-Vice President Dick Cheney, before being appointed as the Bush Administration’s Ambassador to NATO. … She is responsible for covering up the powerful role of the Banderite Nazis in the Maidan coup and the conflict in eastern Ukraine.”

    — The Jewish State has been arming the Nazi: https://stephenlendman.org/2018/07/israel-sells-arms-to-ukrainian-nazis/

    — Viva Shoah-biz and the righteous ADL & Weisenthal Center that have been in arms (literally) to protect the revival of Nazism in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @tac
  159. annamaria says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    You do protest too much:
    Samson option: “Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem: “Most European capitals are targets for our air force … we have the capability to take the world down with us.”
    David Perlmutter, Louisiana State University professor and supporter of Israel: “What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? …The ultimate justice?”

    – The vile David Perlmutter, “Louisiana State University professor and supporter of Israel,” should first refresh his memory about the origin of the bloody Purim (the massacre of the hospitable Persians by the scheming and arrogant Jews) and then learn a thing or two about the Jewish Bolsheviks and their massive crimes against humanity.
    Despite the zionists strenuous attempts at suppressing the freedom of information and freedom of speech, the facts of the Russian tragedy have been steadily coming to light: The Jewish Bolsheviks were the worst murderers and sadists in the history of mankind.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  160. annamaria says:
    @alexander

    “There is now 21.5 trillion dollars in heinous debt from being lied into endless, unconstitutional wars of aggression in the middle east.”
    — The MIC has been feasting on the country along with the Israel-firsters that never ceased cheerleading for the Wars for Eretz Israel in the Middle East.

  161. @Z-man

    Calm down. Another poster that misses the points.

    No, I didn’t miss your points. I gave you the hints that all Bush Jr. Obama, Trump and Muller are Deep State, but you didn’t understand. The 9/11 is the work of Deep State, for destroying Israel. Clear your vision and you will see what I am saying. Drip, drip, drip and the noose is being tightened around Israel, with Iran being at Israel’s doorsteps in Syria.

    BTW, I was against the Iraq war and I’m for peace with Iran. And we should work with the Russians on stabilizing Syria. No wars for the Zionist Entity.

    But you are for destruction of Venezuelan, the friend of Iran and Ahmedi Najat.

    The Yung Fat Kim doesn’t go to toilet without first obtaining the approval of US President. Neither North Korea nor Iran have Nuclear Weapons.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  162. anarchyst says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    Are you a member of IDF unit 8200? Are you a hasbara? It is apparent that you cannot handle the TRUTH.

    • Replies: @Den Lille Abe
  163. anarchyst says:
    @The whole point

    The “Six Day War” was a pre-emptive strike by Israel, and was NOT a response to an attack by the surrounding countries.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  164. @annamaria

    Samson option: “Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem: “Most European capitals are targets for our air force … we have the capability to take the world down with us.”

    Anna Maria, I like you too much as I believe that you post on Saker’s blog as Ann. Don’t believe in the Samson Option BS. One doesn’t need to turn off the lights at any airport for Diplomatic Cargo. For example, the Russian Embassy in USA, the land belongs to Russia free of charge, and USA cannot enter the Embassy. Any cargo for Russian Embassy doesn’t go through the Custom Checks. The Embassy trucks of Russia will drive up to the planes and unload the Cargo.

    I like you too much and your posts, but let us not make ISISraHell into almighty. There is a Greater Power over the Evil Power. And, lets us not forget the Creator created the Evil Power. The Creator is ONE.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  165. anarchyst says:
    @alexander

    Congress, the judiciary and executive branches of government, along with all of the non-accountable “alphabet agencies” need to be reigned in, as well.
    I propose a Constitutional Amendment be ratified by the several states and enacted, as well…
    To wit:
    “Congress shall make no law that does not apply equally to itself, the legislative, judicial and executive branches of the federal government, and its agencies, bureaus and commissions.”
    It is long overdue to prohibit congress from exempting itself from laws that apply to us mere mundane citizens.

    PERIOD!

    • Replies: @Mike P
  166. @Uncle Sam

    I agree. The US has no intention of knowingly engaging an enemy with effective air power with which to defend itself, and respond in kind.

  167. Mike P says:
    @anarchyst

    … along with all of the non-accountable “alphabet agencies” need to be reigned in …

    That reminds me of Google’s change of name to “Alphabet” – it does have a sinister ring to it.

  168. Diplomatic bag

    A diplomatic bag, also known as a diplomatic pouch, is a container with certain legal protections used for carrying official correspondence or other items between a diplomatic mission and its home government or other diplomatic, consular, or otherwise official entity. The physical concept of a “diplomatic bag” is flexible and therefore can take many forms (e.g., a cardboard box, briefcase, duffel bag, large suitcase, crate or even a shipping container).

    Additionally, a diplomatic bag usually has some form of lock and/or tamper-evident seal attached to it in order to deter or detect interference by unauthorized third parties. The most important point is that as long as it is externally marked to show its status, the “bag” has diplomatic immunity from search or seizure, as codified in article 27 of the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. It may only contain articles intended for official use. It is often escorted by a diplomatic courier, who is similarly immune from arrest and detention.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_bag

  169. Z-man says:
    @Jeffery Cohen

    Strange reply.
    I’m not for the destruction of Venezuela, on the contrary, I’m for the removal of the corrupt incompetent communist government there which is destroying the country.
    As for the NORKS, Yung Fat Kim doesn’t go to the toilet without the Chi Comms permisssion.

  170. No mention here of Putin belatedly arming Syria with advanced S-300 systems with which to defend itself. A development that will hopefully become a major game-changer.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  171. @Z-man

    Strange reply.
    I’m not for the destruction of Venezuela, on the contrary, I’m for the removal of the corrupt incompetent communist government there which is destroying the country.
    As for the NORKS, Yung Fat Kim doesn’t go to the toilet without the Chi Comms permisssion.

    OMG, even after the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria…, you still believe what you read and see on MSM. Please get your head out of MSM.

    You seems to be against Communism, and not against those who yield obsolete power over their citizens. All three Systems, Capitalism, Socialism and Communism are Economic Systems and not Political Systems. However all these three Economic Systems are disguised under the Political Systems. Like USA is Capitalism Economic Power called a Democracy (Political System), but fully controlled by Deep State.

    Try to use process of elimination, by slowly, slowly taking things away until you arrive at the culprit.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  172. @Carroll Price

    No mention here of Putin belatedly arming Syria with advanced S-300 systems with which to defend itself. A development that will hopefully become a major game-changer.

    Fully agree! Drip, drip, drip…., slowly, slowly the noose is tightening. The NutYahoo is in USA, to beg Trump to talk to the Russian.

  173. @Jeffery Cohen

    Beside USA, which country has left JPOA? The others are trying to come up with different currency, so to help Iran bypass the sanctions imposed on them by USA.

  174. alexander says:
    @lavoisier

    You may be right that a lot of people are “ignorant”, but I bet there are a lot “less” ignorant Americans than you think think there are.

    A lot less.

    Every single taxpayer in this country is now on the hook for $176,000.00.

    For what ?

    Do you think they are happy about that ?

    You have got to be kidding me.

    Let me ask you something….How many Americans have you met, in your lifetime, who actually ENJOY being defrauded out of their money ?

    I think if you ask every single citizen in this country who has been “lied” into war , whether they should pay the bill or the” liars” should pay the bill…..

    You will get, at least 20 million signatures, on the referendum, in ……under TWO WEEKS !

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  175. @Z-man

    Do you honestly believe that Iranian Government is so imbecile, that they will enter JPOA with USA as a Deal, rather than a Treaty. And, you keep forgetting this Deal was offered to Iran by Obama with lots of cash. Then you claim, “Obama was completely controlled by the Cabal.”

    The paper on the JPOA Deal is singed is not worth to be used as toilet paper as it will be very rough. It is not like Charmin Toilet Paper. It didn’t take Trump very long to tear it up!

    • Replies: @Z-man
  176. druid says:
    @steinbergfeldwtizcohen

    They are and have always been a repellant people. The Babylonians, Romans, etc., all realized this during their times, and the rubbish continues!

  177. @renfro

    I guess we are not completely stupid on some issues, but there is certainly a lot to be desired on the rest. The MSM is the primary reason why so many of us are ignorant of world affairs. Until we beat that, it is an uphill battle.

    • Agree: renfro
  178. denk says:
    @Z-man

    *Strange reply.
    I’m not for the destruction of Venezuela,*

    This revolution will not be televised.
    Do you understand the meaning of that one ?

    Chavez was very likely bumped off by your dear leader too,.

    * on the contrary, I’m for the removal of the corrupt incompetent communist government there which is destroying the country.*

    To paraphrase Jeff Cohen,

    OMG, even after the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria…, you still believe what you read and see on MSM. Please get your head out of your ass.

    Talking about removing corrupt incompetent regime, ever heard of the swamp……Venezuela is none of your gawd damned biz, what ever happen to charity starts at home ?

    *As for the NORKS, Yung Fat Kim doesn’t go to the toilet without the Chi Comms permisssion.*

    Do you even know how many times Nk conducted nuke test in-spite of Beijing’s objection ?

    So you’r just an echo chamber for your dear leader ?

    P.S.

    Fool me once….

    How is it possible for anybody to be fooled hundreds of times ?

    I dont think you and your ilks are being fooled, you’r part of the conspiracy.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  179. annamaria says:
    @Jeffery Cohen

    You should have addressed your post to Martin van Creveld.

    Meanwhile, people comment on the ever-dishonest and war-mongering Israeli politicians and the Jewish State: http://thesaker.is/september-25-2018-syrian-military-to-get-s-300-systems-other-assistance-from-russia/

    1.
    “Haaretz: “Israel is convinced of the credibility of the IAF’s investigation and of its ability to persuade the Americans that the IDF’s version of what downed the plane on September 17 is reliable.”
    They would just absolutely love to be able to manipulate Russia like they do America.

    When they used their bulldozer to crush Rachel Corrie in 2003, US officials immediately accepted their “explanation” of what happened and refused to pursue the matter any further. To date, Rachel’s family cannot find not even 1 US politician or official, who wants to hear them out.
    How disgraceful!

    Israel gets unconditional economic and political support from the US because the US only exists to do Israel’s bidding!.”

    2.
    “If there is any good to come out of this tragedy, after half million Syrians killed, millions of refugees and Russian and Iranian protectors ‘legitimate targets’ in Israeli eyes, it will be that Israel is finally held accountable. Like any common criminal, if a country could be sent to jail, Israel would qualify since it carried out the Nakba.

    And the fact that Netanyahu is clearly unrepentant, marks him as a war criminal who should, in fact, be sent to prison or treated the way WWII war criminals were treated.
    It would be a great day to see him in a cage, the way Eichmann was treated in an Israeli court.”

    – The comparison of Bibi with Eichmann is rather demeaning towards Eichmann.
    Particularly because Bibi, and his Ukrainian Jewish counterpart Groysman, are fond of Nazism: http://globalintelhub.com/israel-sells-arms-ukrainian-nazis/

    And where are the noisy warriors from ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center, the self-proclaimed “Nazi-hunters? — They are busy with fighting the freedom of information and freedom of speech in order to protect Israel’s and Bolsheviks’ crimes. Moreover, the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center have been protective of the glorification of Nazism: https://www.sott.net/article/289219-Israel-shows-its-hand-How-the-Israel-lobby-helped-protect-the-neo-Nazis-of-Ukraine

  180. eric says:

    Why insist on a more democratic country in Syria . The more democratic a Muslim country becomes the less freedom is allowed because the country always chooses to be more Islamic . Dosn’t the west understand Sharia law is different from democracy .

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  181. @alexander

    Optimistically, Alexander suggested: “I think if you ask every single citizen in this country who has been “lied” into war , whether they should pay the bill or the” liars” should pay the bill….. You will get, at least 20 million signatures, on the referendum, in ……under TWO WEEKS !
    Hi Alexander!
    … Nice wish, above, but I regret to say that getting potential 20 million (+) grievance-signatures still must be cordially received and democratically acted upon by the Jewish Lobby controlled Congress. Ain’t no such thing allowed in ZUSA, Alexander!
    … Uh, maybe action with five (5) or so pissed off Jewish billionaire signatures? Otherwise, the gallant but defrauded “20 million” might as well send the petition to the Late Show, and ask the comical host to write a reply.
    … Fyi, during the W. Bush adminiZtration’s “liberation” of Iraq, & after being fairly peppered as chickenhawk, V.P. Cheney said that he didn’t fight in Vietnam because he “had other priorities.”
    … Please consider the WaPo article (linked below) and you shall recall how our fraudster Knesset/Senate had “other priorities” and blessed the April 2003 unnecessary, immoral, and expensive Shock & Awe?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/senaterollcall_iraq101002.htm?noredirect=on

    Selah, One Big Israeli Lie bare-knuckles a 20 Million Strong Truth!

    • Replies: @alexander
  182. Two points to comment on…

    First, the Russians had not provided IFF “friend or foe” codes to the Syrians, so the S-200 command had no way of telling the S-200 that the Russian IL-20 was friendly. This apparently will be changed in the new upgrades to the Syrian systems that the Russians will be installing over the new few weeks and months.

    Second, during the incident where Russian contractors were killed, numbers of up to 200 killed were reported. But a German newspaper investigated these claims and the number is more likely to be a dozen or two dozen, not anything larger.

    More importantly, today Russia announced that it is not only going to deliver S-300 systems to Syria, and enough of them to cover most of Syria that isn’t desert, but they are also going to be jamming any aircraft or missile which attacks near the borders of Syria and portions of the Mediterranean. This puts up an official or unofficial “no-fly zone” around northern Syria and the Russian bases there.

    Russia is serious about deterring any more Israeli attacks on Syria. The S-300 systems have the range to see Israeli aircraft as they leave their airfields in Israel and cover a good portion of Lebanon as well, since the Israeli aircraft frequently attack from inside Lebanese airspace (illegally, of course). They can also engage multiple targets at once.

    Which means the next time Israel attacks Syria, they will lose planes and pilots.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  183. Well, look who might be targets next!

    S-300s in, Patriots out: US to withdraw missiles from 3 Middle East countries

    https://www.rt.com/usa/439497-us-withdraws-patriot-missiles/

    The Pentagon will remove four batteries of PAC-3 Patriot missiles from three Middle-Eastern countries, according to the Wall Street Journal. The report said the missiles are needed elsewhere to counter China and Russia.
    The US newspaper said Jordan and Bahrain will lose one battery of US long-range anti-aircraft missiles next month, while Kuwait will part with two. The systems are not meant to be replaced, so the withdrawal would permanently reduce the defensive capabilities of the three nations. The systems are already offline and are being prepared to be moved, a military source told the WSJ.

    [MORE]

    Responding to the report, the Kuwaiti military downplayed the Pentagon’s decision, saying their own long-range air-defense systems – the same Patriot missiles bought from the US – would be enough to protect the nation.

    Washington regularly uses the deployment of advanced weapon systems to allied nations as a bargaining chip, where those countries wish to boost their defenses. For instance, in early 2013, the US, Germany and the Netherlands deployed their Patriot batteries to Turkey, as Ankara complained about a threat posed by the war in neighboring Syria.

    Turkey didn’t have a developed national air-defense system at the time and was selecting which long-range SAMs to buy, with American, European and Chinese producers competing for the contract.

    As Turkey’s relations with its American and European allies soured over the years, the initial arms providers pulled out their assets, with Spain and Italy stepping in. The falling-out was also reflected in Turkey’s decision to purchase the Russian S-400 system rather than one produced by a NATO member, despite objections from Washington.

  184. renfro says:

    This is the Jews. This is what they are about. They say they deserve to have all the US power and influence for the Jews and Israel…..the hubris is beyond astounding. They may succeed in gaining 100% power. Then there will be another holocaust for them.

    Billions in our community’ — Israel supporters make frank appeals to Jewish wealth and influence
    US Politics
    Philip Weiss on September 25, 2018

    
    ”In the last year, Israel’s supporters in the U.S. have made frank appeals to Jewish wealth and power as weapons to fight Israel’s delegitimization from the left. The Israel lobby used to be more veiled when flexing its monetary muscles.

    But these calls have gotten pretty explicit, as Josh Block’s program for Jews to use the “billions… at rest in our community” to buy up media properties and turn those publications into tribunes for Israel shows.

    Here’s a list of four statements by Israel supporters citing Jewish influence.

    A leading funder of neoconservative causes, Roger Hertog spoke of Jewish wealth and influence, and “billionaires,” in the context of the battle over Israel, at the conservative Jewish Leadership Conference last year.

    ”All of us are aware that this has been a remarkable era for American Jews. Our forefathers who came to this country generations ago could never have conceived of what their children, their grandchildren, great grandchildren would accomplish. Not just unparalleled material success, but recognition and influence in the larger society beyond most of what we could ever have thought was possible. Jews today make up ten percent of the Senate and a third of the Supreme Court, 25 percent of the billionaires, not to mention science, medicine, culture, religion, arts, the academy, and yes philanthropy. But this is no ordinary time. Serious struggles do confront us, especially as it relates to what is happening with assimilation, intermarriage, open anti-semitism disguised as anti-Zionism on college campuses and elsewhere. And as the Pew studies show, young American Jews have increasingly become indifferent to Israel.”

    Hertog is not the only man to cite billionaires. Last week Eli Clifton reported that Josh Block of the rightwing Israel Project (which is funded by Paul Singer and Seth Klarman among others) issued a challenge to the Jewish Funders Network last March about the power of wealth to “control the media.” Block’s statement has been taken down from that forum, but here’s an extended excerpt:
    TIP [the Israel Project] was founded in 2002 based on the recognition that “they who control the media, define the narrative – and they who control the narrative secure the outcomes they desire.”…

    There are billions of dollars capital at rest in our community, philanthropic and otherwise.
    Jeff Bezos parked $250m of his money to buy the Washington Post. Let’s even say the paper loses $20m a year to operate – some of our community foundation give away multiples of that in tzedkah [charity] annually.
    What is the value of defining the topography of truth? Especially at a time when there is a deliberate war being waged by Israel’s adversaries on history and an effort to delegitimize Zionism, Jewish history and, connection to the land of Israel…
    Newsweek is for sale yet again, after being bought for $1 and its debt by IAC & Barry Diller, and then sold for an undisclosed sub-$10m sum to a South Korean Christian Cult that is a spin-off of the Moonies.
    This presents an opportunity for pro-Israel messaging in the media. What if it were owned by members of our community? Can you name a SINGLE MAINSTREAM magazine or media outlet that is reliably pro-Israel? Any that is not seen as conservative? The WSJ will soon change hands from generation to generation, where the views of the Middle East differ greatly.
    There IS so much capital at rest in our community….and so many ways to leverage those sums for altruistic philanthropic aims, through PRIs and other philanthropic and traditional venture funding. There are even ways to profit, and do well while doing good…
    Imagine a media investment fund – to acquire brands at a discount, and create new high-value, niche audiences of hundreds of thousands who help us reach billions — as TIP has proven can be done….
    Are you interested in taking our destiny in our own hands – or should we let others define who we are and what the place of a Jewish state in the world is?
    If you would like to join me in a discussion of the low barriers to entry in building and acquiring media outlets today – and the IMPERATIVE of thinking differently about what is possible with venture philanthropy and benefit corporations to build the media and information infrastructure that the Jewish and pro-Israel community require — please contact me.

    During her Rosh Hashanah sermon equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, Rabbi Angela Buchdahl of New York’s Central Synagogue was honest about Jewish power.
    I want to acknowledge that despite the stories I shared [of rising anti-Semitism] that right now in America is perhaps the best time in our history to be a Jew. We should recognize that sitting in this room– our Jewish community holds extraordinary levels of power.

    As we reported last year, Alan Dershowitz spoke of the Jewish contribution to American society and our right to “power” and “influence” on foreign policy as a result, at a Westchester synagogue:
    People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is, that’s not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington….We are entitled to use our power. We have contributed disproportionately to the success of this country. We have done so much for this country. When you think of how much better this country has become since our grandparents and great grandparents took the risk of coming here, we have not only the right we have the obligation to speak out, and use every piece, every bit of power available in support of Israel…. Look, we are the most affluent successful generation of Jews anywhere in the world, that’s the good news. … We are a very influential community. We deserve our influence.

    Having written about Jewish influence myself over the years, and been called an anti-Semite for doing so, it’s fascinating to me to see Israel supporters rallying round that influence. I’ve long stated that Jews of my generation and older believed that we deserved our (astonishing) success in the U.S. because we are smarter than non-Jews, and we had fostered engines of the U.S. economy from entertainment to media to Wall Street. There’s a strong inhibition about discussing this, though, because the Jewish elite social function in Europe was a source of resentment that led to pogroms and genocide; and as a tiny minority we are felt to be equally vulnerable today.
    Months ago Nada Elia wrote a piece here about the need for Jews to abandon privilege in order to be effective in pushing Palestinian rights. I essentially agree; though that privilege has a structural character, and these statements support such a view, that the Israel lobby is based on wealth and influence.”

  185. eric says:
    @Deschutes

    Ever since Russia and China were humiliated when NATO destroyed Yugoslavia in 1999 Russia and China have partnered and prepared for their dismemberment . China will shoot down our global positioning satlelites and Russia will send nuclear bombs from outer space that nobody can contest .

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  186. RobinG says:
    @Justsaying

    Check deep in the AIPAC pockets and there you are sure to find them.

    Yes, this is why I’ve been told, point blank, not to expect cooperation from the Congressional Black Caucus in any criticism of Israel.

  187. “Aggressive war directed at a non-threatening country is the ultimate war crime….”

    Syria is not a country. The Assad “government” is a collection of hoodlums who are stalking horses for Israel’s mortal enemy, Iran, and for America’s mortal enemy, Russia. Israel is not engaged in an “aggressive war.” It is merely policing the Middle East, just like law enforcement officers police high-crime neighborhoods in American cities.

    Syria, “a country with which [Israel] is not at war and which has not attacked [Israel] or threatened [Israel] in any way.”

    Of course Israel is not “at war” with Syria. As already noted, Syria is not a “country,” so how could Israel be “at war” with it? As to “threats,” however, the very existence of the Assad mafia is a threat to Israel. And this so-called “country” of Syria is in reality a part of Eretz Ysrael, which G-d gave to His People in an eternal Promise. Eretz Yisrael, from the River to the Sea!

    This website’s anti-Semitic attacks on the one democracy in the Middle East are proof of why Congress must enact legislation to prevent misuse of the Internet.

    NEVER AGAIN!

  188. Vojkan says:
    @eric

    GPS are ~20000 km from Earth and there are 31 of them, if memory serves me well. I look forward to see the Chinese weapon that will down them.

  189. @ValmMond

    Let us not forget that Samaria and Judea are part of greater Syria. Israel is like an acute infection that can be eliminated, Judaism is the pathogen, but Greater Syria is the organism.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  190. Vojkan says:
    @renfro

    Dershowitz is entitled to his opinion. Looking from abroad, the main Jewish contribution to the USA I see is to have made it the most loathed nation on Earth. Actually every great country they have managed to take control of has ended up being loathed by the rest of Mankind.
    Well, as long as there are so many goyim buying crap made in Hollywood, Jewish power is safe.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  191. druid says:
    @not so plain jane

    collect your cheque at Hasbara troll central!!

  192. Moi says:
    @not so plain jane

    Okay, so it’s all Syria and Russia’s fault. Or, generally speaking, all Arabs and specifically the Palestinians. We get where you’re coming from.

  193. Z-man says:
    @denk

    Venezuela is none of your gawd damned biz, what ever happen to charity starts at home ?

    Yes it is (Monroe Doctrine) and when it affects masses of illegals flooding it’s immediate neighbors and then probably US.

    Do you even know how many times Nk conducted nuke test in-spite of Beijing’s objection ?

    Your logic or more correctly lack thereof escapes me. If China, the NORKS only benefactor, can’t control them what chance does Trump have in controlling them.
    PS. I am a 98% Trumpster. I was against the tax cut for the top tier, but that was more the Republi’tard party and the Zionist billionaires boys club. I was against him getting out of the Iran deal and of course I’m against his pro Zionist policy but he’s still better than all the other owned politicians out there, ’nuff said.

    • Replies: @denk
  194. Moi says:
    @windwaves

    Trump is in Bibi’s back pocket. And here is what I’ve concluded from this incident:

    Putin is a wimp.

    Syrians can’t shoot straight.

    Arab leaders, all of them, are weak and corrupt.

    Americans are oblivious to much of reality.

    • Replies: @seeing-thru
    , @The Scalpel
  195. druid says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    I voted AGAINST McCain so you can imagine what I think of him, but Bolton is 100 times worse. The man is truly evil!!!!

    • Replies: @renfro
  196. Vojkan says:
    @James Speaks

    Though I find Zionism a detestable ideology, I don’t want the destruction of Israel. True, Israeli leadership are awful people. That’s not a reason to deny a right to life to people who have settled on just ~30000 sq. km of the whole ME.
    They would have got far more land and far less desert and Arabs if they had chosen the option of Patagonia the Zionists once considered.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  197. druid says:
    @Da Wei

    So true! 1the USA is owned lock, stock and barrel by the Zio’s and their thirty pieces of silver!!!!

  198. Moi says:
    @animalogic

    Yup, just about sums it. I say “about,” because you forgot to add stupid as an American value.

  199. Z-man says:
    @Jeffery Cohen

    Another strange reply. Are you for the deal or not? Are you for Trump or Obama?
    As a matter of fact while they might both be owned, Donald is a lot more independent than Barry. First he’s 71 and Barry is what 56? Just the age makes Barry more vulnerable to the Cabal. Second Donny has had money all his life, Barry not so much. This makes Barry more beholden to the Cabal than Donald.
    But enough of this, you and dink err I mean denk should go to logic class.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  200. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    As one commenter put it, FB throws shit at the wall and waits to see how much sticks, as what Flores did too actually.
    No one with a technical engineering degree can take him seriously. He doesn’t know math, he doesn’t know physics, he misunderstands Newton laws, and he thinks a gyroscope provides geolocation.
    If you find wasting time on reading his comments informative, I advise you to take a proper course in math, physics and logic.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    , @FB
  201. @Z-man

    Are you for the deal or not?

    Deal, No!

    Treaty, Yes!

    Do you know the difference between Deal and Treaty?

    Are you for Trump or Obama?

    I am 100% for Trump, Obama, Bush Jr., Bush Sr., Muller… and all the Deep State. But I don’t condone their actions, though I understand they are fighting the Greatest Evil ISISraHell.

    I am 100% against Evil Bubba and Evil Hellary.

    BTW, President Trump will sign a Treaty with Iran, on Iranians Terms. Which will be ratified by more than 2/3 of the US House making The Treaty a law, so no US President can tear it up.

    • Replies: @renfro
  202. renfro says:
    @druid

    Yea Bolton is evil, someone shoot the sob please and shut him up.

    EU Plan to Circumvent US Sanctions on Iran

    Bolton Vows ‘Hell to Pay’ of Iran Defies US Wishes

    Jason Ditz Posted on September 25, 2018Categories NewsTags Bolton, EU, Iran, Pompeo

    On Monday night, EU officials unveiled a planned clearing house that would allow international companies, including all of Europe, Russia, and China, to continue trading with Iran while circumventing US banking sanctions.
    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said it was “deeply disappointing” to hear that the plan existed, and that he considers it an attempt to bolster Iran’s “ranking as the number one state sponsor of terror,” and counterproductive to US goals.
    Not complying with US goals is very much the point. The US withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, and has been trying to impose trading sanctions since then. All other nations remain in the nuclear deal, and are trying to save the deal by letting trade continue to flow.
    John Bolton also continued to threaten Iran, saying that there would be “hell to pay” if Iran crosses the US or any of its allies, or defies US interests. He also insisted the EU was too weak to follow through on the plan to circumvent US sanctions, and that the US would never allow Europe to defy them at any rate.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  203. @Vojkan

    That’s like trying to choose between good pathogens and bad pathogens.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  204. @renfro

    John Bolton also continued to threaten Iran, saying that there would be “hell to pay” if Iran crosses the US or any of its allies, or defies US interests. He also insisted the EU was too weak to follow through on the plan to circumvent US sanctions, and that the US would never allow Europe to defy them at any rate.

    LOL, is Bolton saying that just because of Iran, the USA will make the whole world their enemy. Instead using persuasion and arm twisting on them behind the curtain as in olden days, USA has fallen so low to threaten them for the world to see it openly!

    I wonder what the British, French, German citizens are thinking about Bolton. These citizens knew that they are the slaves of USA, but nobody talked about it, now it is all out in open.

    And, of course Britain, French and German governments at the same time against Syria.

    Trump keeps reminding us that it is all Fake News!

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  205. harry mo says:
    @windwaves

    And so what if he did? Its every persons right to follow their religious yearnings.

  206. @Jeffery Cohen

    France helped Israel for Syria to shoot down the Russian IL-20 Plane. Of course no wreckage, as it was downed in Mediterranean Sea.

    The consequences of the above, the Syrian skies are forever closed for Israel.

    Israel will have to think twice before attacking Syria again: Official

    A senior Syrian official says an advanced air defense system slated to be supplied by Russia soon will force Israel to “think carefully” before conducting any further aerial attacks on the country.

    Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad said late Tuesday that his country welcomed the delivery of the S-300 air defense missile system, slated to arrive within two weeks.

    “I think that Israel, which is accustomed to carrying out many attacks under different pretexts, will have to think carefully about attacking Syria again,” Mekdad said.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/26/575299/Syria-air-defenses-Israel

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  207. buckwheat says:
    @Uncle Sam

    Bullshit! That may have been the way the cowardly obama thinks along with the pussified staff he surrounded himself with. Trump would not stand for the sinking of an aircraft carrier . Trump and his Generals know that Russia is a paper tiger that even Germany could handle by itself. Between the USA and Germany they would accomplish what General Patton wanted to do at the end of WW2 in record time. Defeatist cowards like you only think they know……….

    • LOL: Mike P
    • Replies: @Uncle Sam
  208. @Jeffery Cohen

    Everyone forgets the news after few days. Are Saudi Arabic and United Arab Emirates still maintaining embargo against Qatar. Though, it helped Iran and Qatar to become bosom buddies.

    No Arab Government will give up on Jerusalem and the al-Quds Mosque, if they did, they will be lynched by their own citizens.

    The way to destroy Jewish Power, is to keep on giving them long, long rope. And, eventually they hang themselves.

  209. EagleEye says:
    @DESERT FOX

    You are right …..nothing more to say. Maybe something cosmic will intervene….otherwise it is as you say. They are EVIL …….the world better wake up.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  210. @EagleEye

    You are right …..nothing more to say. Maybe something cosmic will intervene….otherwise it is as you say. They are EVIL …….the world better wake up.

    Fully agree!

    My agree button is not working and asking me to type a comment.

  211. Attention supporters of Christopher Bollyn’s seminal & daring work, “Solving 9/11,” a new book, & many articles!
    … The distinguished Paul Craig Roberts has apparently broken restrictive Zionist Jew chains, and united with C. Bollyn as to who did 9/11 & details how. Please refer to Mr. Robert’s history-making article below?

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/26/chuck-baldwin-sums-it-up-trump-blew-it/

    … I hazard to say that PCR is now the first prominent American who, along with Chuck Baldwin’s assistance, bestowed honor upon Mr. Bollyn’s service to 9/11 Truth!

  212. peterAUS says:
    @eric

    Don’t say……..

    I guess you haven’t got a memo:
    “Islam in religion of peace.”
    “Anglo-Zionists are the only bad people in this world.”
    “Jews are the core cause of the all the misery around…. and inside us.”

    Get ready for…..um…..a stint of “education” here.

    Good luck.

    Should you choose to escape and evade that “education” I suggest mastering skim reading and utilize the ignore list.

  213. peterAUS says:
    @Richard Steven Hack

    ….they are also going to be jamming any aircraft or missile which attacks near the borders of Syria and portions of the Mediterranean.

    If….if they start and keep doing that it is an escalation of the conflict there.
    Then, the “jamming” works both ways. Good and/or bad.

    This puts up an official or unofficial “no-fly zone” around northern Syria and the Russian bases there.

    No it does not.

    SHOOTING down does.

    Imagine, for the sake of conversation, that, say, Mexican air force does to New Mexico as IAF does to Syria.
    I, for some reasons, just feel that the US Air Force would be doing a “bit” more than just jamming there.

  214. @Moi

    Yes, my friend, you have put your finger on the vital points, the rest is mere detail. One other point I’d like to toss in: the US deep state (both pro and anti Trump factions) are desperate to dominate the world but haven’t been able to figure out how to. So, at this time, we have wimps, fools, the corrupt, and the deranged leading various countries and the people have their heads buried in the sand.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  215. Vojkan says:
    @James Speaks

    I’ve always thought of the Patagonia option as a zionist marketing stunt to rally Jews over a “return” to Palestine. Though I think that an Israel in Patagonia would have been far less nefarious than an Israel in Palestine.
    Zionists even floated the idea of an Israel in South Africa. Obviously, far more got hooked into that idea than in that of Patagonia. I don’t know how much precious metals and diamond deposits influenced them to take into consideration that option.
    Anyway, I think Israel is more a way to deflect blame for the globalist Jews actions than a goal in itself. The bad ones wouldn’t be hurt a bit if Israel disappeared. Israelis are so full of themselves that they don’t realise they’re walking a tightrope and nobody will mourn if tomorrow they’re gone.
    Eventually, the pitcher will go to the well once too often.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  216. tac says:

    OT:

    Here is an update on the 9/11 Lawyers’ Committee Grand Jury Petition update (Sept 26)

    And here is the petition, and some pictures and bios.

    Interview on Corbett report:

    https://www.corbettreport.com/lawyers-petition-for-9-11-grand-jury/

    Even staunch opponents to the 9/11 truthers are starting to come around, little by little:

    Between 2016 and 2018, Philip Roddis underwent a remarkable transformation. Beginning with the conviction that 9/11 Truthism is “seriously crackers,” he ended up thinking that the book 9/11 Unmasked must be taken seriously and also that it provides a strong “prima facie case for throwing out NIST.”

    This kind of reversal is one of the things that my co-author and I hoped would be produced by our book. We had long known that the evidence against the official account of 9/11 is convincing. For people to be actually convinced, they need only to be willing to examine the evidence.

    https://off-guardian.org/2018/09/26/9-11-unmasked-a-remarkable-review/

  217. tac says:
    @annamaria

    Components of chemical weapons were delivered to the Syrian province of Idlib from several European states, Director of the Department for Arms Non-Proliferation and Control at the Russian Foreign Ministry Vladimir Yermakov stated on September 25.

    https://southfront.org/russia-idlib-militants-receive-components-of-chemical-weapons-from-some-european-states/

  218. @ThreeCranes

    Er…….. shouldn’t I? There’s no genetic bar to learning proper English as far as I’m aware. One of the best authors in English I’ve ever read, Chinua Achebe, was a Nigerian.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @ThreeCranes
  219. Israel and its agents here in the US are phishing for a pretext for war with Iran. This is the second act of the Clean Break strategy in my favorite PJB article, Whose War? https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whose-war/

    You’re still out there fighting the good fight against the odds. God bless you, Phil.

  220. @ValmMond

    The propaganda talking point israel’s internet shills use as a pretext to bomb Syria.. that Syria and Lebanon are still “at war” with israel.. is pretentious horsechit. The only country that has attacked the other since 1967 (when the “jewish state” conducted their sneak attack on Egypt, Syria and Jordan) is… you guessed it…israel…

  221. @renfro

    They may succeed in gaining 100% power. Then there will be another holocaust for them

    .

    When and where was the first holocaust?

  222. @michaeline1951

    Aw, just go ahead and say it – someone apparently forgot to tell Assad that Syria is really part of Greater Israel.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  223. Iris says:

    Today in Tehran has started the first “Regional Security Dialogue” conference, organised by Iran and including Russia, China, India and Afghanistan.

    The goal of this conference is to join efforts, share information and devise means to combat terrorism.
    The Middle-East will not remain a field play for Israel’s Takfiri foreign legions.

    https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/427929/Tehran-hosts-security-conference-with-Russia-China-India-and

  224. RobinG says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    That was such a bizarrely uninformed comment, I’m glad you answered for yourself. (I was tempted.) BTW, do you still do gold crowns over there? Here they are pushing the porcelain, which I think is inferior, not to mention Cerec. Am I too old fashioned?

  225. Iris says:

    Meanwhile in the UK, Deep State mouthpiece “The Telegraph”, associated with the infamous Bellingcat, is dangerously stepping up the anti-Russian propaganda.

    The Skripal “hitman” is allegedly identified as a GRU colonel awarded the highest military distinctions by President Putin.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/26/skripal-hitman-unmasked-gru-colonel-awarded-russias-highest/

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/09/26/skripal-suspect-boshirov-identified-gru-colonel-anatoliy-chepiga/

    These are very ominous signs: the continued spinning and association of Russia, President Putin and WMD is a well-worn way of preparing public opinion to a showdown which is already on the cards.

    • Replies: @tac
  226. Uncle Sam says:
    @buckwheat

    Russia “a paper tiger”…. Ask Napoleon and Hitler. The armies of both these leaders were destroyed by the Russian army.

    You are a blind hardcore American patriot who cannot see the forest for the trees.

    You are delusional, my friend.

  227. alexander says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hi Chuck,

    If you take the time to peruse comment # 153 you will see that my suggestion was the creation of a bill to be passed into law ..”The War Fraud Accountability Act of 2019″.

    As to our venerable congressmen and senators who voted thumbs up……Well, I was all aboard too, at the time. I was , in fact ,out of my chair and cheering when I watched Saddam’s statue fall on the nightly news,.

    But then …as the WMD “imminent threat” narrative collapsed…along with the ” it was Saddam ‘s Anthrax in Tom Brokaw’s office(we have the spores from Baghdad to prove it..)…..Along with the “aluminum tubes” and the “yellow cake from Niger” all proved to be BS…I started to wonder what was really going on….

    It took me several years…several “long” years…to realize they were actually “lying”….that it was all…. Fraud…. “All of it” ….from the get go…and that we had actually, truly , been LIED into WAR…

    I could not really get my mind around the fact that there would be individuals, Americans (just)like me, who would actually DO THAT….I could not believe anyone would ever commit such a heinous crime against the American People.

    Shameful.

    I think you make a good point about the control of our legislature…….but not good enough…

    You see, in the USA, its all a “numbers” game…..its all about the “numbers”…..

    You got the numbers….you got the power…and there is nothing anyone else can do about it…

    If you get 100 million Americans, signing onto this referendum, in every district, in every state,… calling their local congressman, 24 hours a day…to demand ‘accountability”…there is not a special interest group on the face of this earth that can withstand it . They will be mowed down…..MOWED DOWN, plain and simple….and they KNOW it !

    This is the truth ,Chuck. There is not a representative in this country who can withstand the “numbers”,….. They just can’t do it.

    And lets be honest too…if the Iraq invasion cost 10 billion, took out Saddam in three weeks, with almost no innocent Iraqi casualties…and maybe 5 US servicemen killed ,in TOTAL …..we might not be having this discussion….

    But TWENTY TWO TRILLION DOLLARS of heinous F#CKING DEBT(excuse my french)….You have got be kidding me !…..These “defrauders”,… these WAR FRAUDSTERS need to have ALL their assets seized , at ONCE…on behalf of the American People..

    Maybe you are naive enough to believe , Chuck,that somehow, American Law enforcement officers enjoy being “DEFRAUDED INTO WAR” too ..so much so,in fact, that they might seek to STYMIE this legislation… Please…..Get real, Chuck….Get Real.

    These lying individuals, whoever they are, who committed these crimes….who wanted these wars so much,….. believed in these wars “so much”, they were willing to defraud us into them…..WELL …LET THEM PAY FOR IT……The whole way …

    THE WHOLE WAY !

    Now that’s American Justice.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  228. Anon[215] • Disclaimer says:

    “Israel does risky things like attacking its neighbors because it knows it will pay no price due to Washington’s support.”

    I would add that the fact the people on Facebook accept the following thing is monstrous, why can’t people boycott this NATO-backed corporation and delete their account. Why can<t they use other site instead?

    Facebook’s New Propaganda Partners. Combating “Fake News”

    "Soon after it partnered with the Atlantic Council, Facebook moved to delete accounts and pages connected with Iranian broadcasting channels (CNBC, 8/23/18), while The Intercept (12/30/17) reported that in 2017 the social media platform met with Israeli government officials to discuss which Palestinian voices it should censor. Ninety-five percent of Israeli government requests for deletion were granted. Thus the US government and its allies are effectively using the platform to silence dissenting opinion, both at home and on the world stage, controlling what Facebook‘s 2 billion users see and do not see."

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/facebooks-new-propaganda-partners-combating-fake-news/5655219

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  229. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Moi

    “Americans are oblivious to much of reality.”

    Awww c’mon! There was some dude at one of Trump’s pep rallies that knew about Idlib

  230. Skeptikal says:
    @Vojkan

    “Actually every great country they have managed to take control of has ended up being loathed by the rest of Mankind.”

    Which countries are those, besides the USA?

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  231. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    Get out of FACEBOOK!
    Down with FB.

  232. denk says:
    @Z-man

    Your logic or more correctly lack thereof escapes me.

    [sic]

    KIm who defied China’s wish to de-nuclearise,
    somehow is a chicom puppet, wow, he needs chicom’s permission to go to the loo…!

    This is zman’s logic
    hhhhhhhh

  233. @renfro

    I’ve long stated that Jews of my generation and older believed that we deserved our (astonishing) success in the U.S. because we are smarter than non-Jews

    – PW

    Fuck you! Prove to me that you are smarter than I am. Craftier, maybe, and perhaps much more underhanded than I, but smarter? I don’t buy it for a minute.

    • Replies: @renfro
  234. RobinG says:
    @tac

    Speaking of sedition, how about the Republicans who have ignored Ukrainian whistleblower Andrii Telizhenko’s offer to testify about Ukrainian collusion with the DNC against Trump?

    BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Listen to Ukrainian Whistleblower @TelizhenkoAndr Discuss #WhiteHouse Cover-Up

  235. @Vojkan

    Ok, so you’re a knowledgeable geek, right? In that case you should be able to solve all sorts of science-based math, physics and logic problems created by humans, here’s the offering:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2018/09/26/loos-in-space/

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/10/14/devolution-part-1/

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/01/merge/

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/10/09/liberals/

    Good luck with that …

  236. @Ronald Thomas West

    ps for the rest, Vojkan merely had to ignore the very 1st sentence of my comment he refers to, to make his reply irrelevant, rather trollish…

  237. Vojkan says:
    @Carroll Price

    When someone says God has given some the right to kill, which is what the old Zionist hag said basically, you know you’re dealing with a lunatic. You just turn around and walk away. There’s no argument with lunatics.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  238. Vojkan says:
    @Skeptikal

    The late Austria-Hungary and Soviet Union, France are good candidates. With the exception of the German, who have sympathy for the French, when I speak to African, Asians, even Italians, it’s safer to say I’m Serb than French to have a normal conversation. As a matter of fact, in spite of all the propaganda done by Western media about Serbs doing this and that to Bosnian muslims and Albanians during the 1990s, I take much less risk when I say to a muslim that I’m Serb than if I said I’m French. France is a nation as much under globalist Jews control as is the USA.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  239. The formerly semi-isolationist Trump has imbibed deeply of the neocon KoolAid served up by Bolton, Pompeo, Haspel, Pence and Kushner and now, intoxicated with a deceptive sense of omnipotence and bloodlust, seems to be aiming to start World War III against Russia, China, Iran and Syria. Israel would side with the US, of course, and possibly the UK if May ignores public opinion, as Blair once did. The rest of the world will sit this one ​out ​rather than join the US in its suicidal misadventure. Trump could be a great president, with peace through strength and shrew​d​ deal making, but he seems to be on track to be the worst president in our history, the one who destroyed the country through hubris. Those that live by the sword, as the US has always done, will die by the sword. Thus empires die.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Z-man
  240. Skeptikal says:
    @Brian Cobb, M.D.

    Quite possibly true.
    Seems like Trump had no one else to listen to when he took office, and Ivanka-Jared was his umbilical cord to “reality.”

    If this is the case—that Trump was ideologically isolated from the start—then I somewhat fault the American left, or so-called left, for totally excoriating Trump, ridiculing him to a point beyond any kind of reason or even acceptability—in short, developing a galloping case of Trump Derangement Syndrome—and so not trying to dialogue with Trump about *anything,* including the few portions of his platform that aligned with leftist interests (genuine, not Hillary-style).

    Namely, shutting down foreign adventures, getting out of Syria, seeking dialogue with the Russian Federation, etc.

    • Agree: mark green
  241. Skeptikal says:
    @Mike P

    The Haaretz headline:
    “he anti-aircraft missiles are a worrisome upgrade to Assad’s air defenses, but their ability to prevent the Israel Air Force from operating is limited ”

    So, Israel seems to be announcing here that it has a right to attack Syria.
    That this is a normal state of affairs and requires no explanation or legal cover.
    Hmmmmmm
    So, in other words, they are actually naming themselves, their planes, as legitimate targets for Syria-Assad.
    Go, Assad!!!

  242. Skeptikal says:
    @michaeline1951

    “As already noted, Syria is not a “country,””

    Weird.
    Syria is very much a country—certainly more so than Israel.

    Actually, the trajectories of Israel and Syria are quite similar. Both were mandatory territories after WWI. Syria became a republic in 1946. Israel “named itself” as a Jewish state in 1947 (or was it 1948).

    The biggest difference, as far as I can see, is that Israel was midwifed by terrorists, through terrorist actions. All of the heads of government of Israel since its inception have been terrorists, or the son of terrorists.

    Syria, a tolerant multicultural state, has far greater legitimacy as a country than does the apartheid Jewish state which strengthens itself through open thievery and oppression.

    Michealline with her comment betrays her premise that this latter type of state— built upon segregation, oppression, injustice, thievery, cruelty, lying, and monumental hubris and recklessness—is the norm when it comes to modern states.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  243. Iris says:
    @Vojkan

    All correct. Don’t forget the UK, a first-class Israel stooge.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  244. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Well, I decided to ignore the rest of your comment after I read the first sentence.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  245. Vojkan says:
    @Iris

    I didn’t mention the UK because I don’t know enough the situation there while when I read how Americans describe the situation in the USA, it quite matches what I have experienced in France.

  246. Z-man says:
    @Brian Cobb, M.D.

    Doctor, Trump is above all those ‘advisors’ and he still has his own vision as shown in his still positive attitude vis a vis Putin. His philosophy is still America First and his placating Neocons is just to keep them at bay. He won’t attack Iran and won’t give the Zionist Entity anymore than he’s already given them, that dog Bolton (who should be ‘drawn and quartered’) notwithstanding.

    PS. I’m sure Donald has people like Pat Buchanan and Tucker Carlson, people who he agrees with, in his ear.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  247. Z-man says:
    @Skeptikal

    Weird.
    Syria is very much a country—certainly more so than Israel.

    Yes, Iz’rael is the most artificial nation state on earth.

  248. @Vojkan

    The way that happened (Jews having the exclusive right to kill) is that when they wrote the Bible, they reserved to themselves special permission to commit genocide on anyone, at anytime, and with no questions being asked. At the same time awarding themselves, by Devine Decree, the entire Middle East, (present day Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordon & Iraq) And to make sure no one would have the gall to question any of it, bribed one of the English monarchs (King Edward VIII I think) into declaring their book a Holy Book, with anyone daring to question it, declared a heretic.

    The holohoax works the exact same way.

  249. annamaria says:
    @michaeline1951

    Could you show us a map of the Jewish State where the geographical borders are well-defined? – No? Then the upstart Jewish State of illegal settlers and theocratic loonies is no country. Before accusing others of bad manners, look at your Moldovan thug Avi Lieberman and your thoroughly corrupt Mileikovsky and his progeny:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/09/netanyahus-son-brags-about-prostitutes-20-billion-deal-for-friends-dad-in-strip-club-rant/?utm_term=.d149dcd6826c

    “Speaking of prostitutes, what’s open at this hour?” Yair Netanyahu asks his friends… “My dad arranged $20 billion for your dad, and you’re whining with me about 400 shekels…”

    Your lot has produced the greatest sadists and mass murderers — learn about the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
    “An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. …Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.
    Stalin’s close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the “first Stalinist” and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao’s terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.”

  250. annamaria says:

    On a topic of chemical warfare: https://www.globalresearch.ca/before-pointing-its-finger-at-russia-and-syria-the-u-s-should-answer-for-its-own-chemical-and-biological-weapons-record/5655063
    “Before Pointing its Finger at Russia and Syria, the U.S. Should Answer for Its Own Chemical and Biological Weapons Record

    “On Thursday September 13th, Assistant Secretary of State Manisha Singh declared before the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee that the United States would level the most severe of sanctions against Russia, including breaking all diplomatic ties, if Russia refused to admit its guilt in perpetrating the Skripal assassination fiasco and refused to submit to International inspections by the OPCW of its alleged chemical weapons and biological weapons programs. ….

    It is important to note that nowhere in this law is there a legal commitment made by the United States itself, to eliminate its own chemical and biological weapons capabilities. This is not an oversight, yet speaks to the imperial hypocrisy of the United States and an acknowledgment that it alone has been the largest perpetrator of chemical weapons use and proliferation for more than 50 years. It currently maintains the largest stockpile of both chemical and biological warfare agents of any nation on the planet, and continues to expand its biological weapons research and development on a scale far larger than any other country. (Affirmative actions in actions: Manisha Singh, the loyal servant to war profiteers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manisha_Singh)

    Use of WMD by the US against civilian populations:
    “Not only did the United States, and France for that matter, provide chemical weapons to the Saddam regime, but the U.S. intelligence agencies provided the Iraqi military with vital battlefield intelligence, including satellite imagery in aiding them in the war:”The results of US use of chemical weapon in Vietnam:Deeds of the US coalition in Raqqa: The US-provided weaponry in action in Yemen: https://www.globalresearch.ca/before-pointing-its-finger-at-russia-and-syria-the-u-s-should-answer-for-its-own-chemical-and-biological-weapons-record/5655063

  251. @Z-man

    Z-man popped off this dud: “(President Trump) His philosophy is still America First and his placating Neocons is just to keep them at bay. He won’t attack Iran and won’t give the Zionist Entity anymore than he’s already given them…”
    … Greetings from Scranton, Z-man! (Zigh)
    … Apparently you have yet to read this article by P.G., in particular his very important Zionist Jew-approved history lesson, “Aggressive war directed at a non-threatening country is the ultimate war crime as defined by the Nuremberg Tribunals.”
    … Fyi, Trump really needs Philip Giraldi “in his ear” and maybe (at best) access to occasional Tucker Carlson tweets!
    … Now out-in-the-open and for even Pat Buchanan “to see” is PreZident Trump’s admiration for Netanyahu’s “aggressiveness” and tenacity to complete the Greater Israel Plan! Please refer to the PressTV article posted way down below, Z-man?
    … A worthy but forbidden educational-goal would entail getting ‘Merkins to simply connect the Greater Israel Plan “dots” to the reason why the U.S. is fighting Israeli wars in the Middle East!

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/26/575316/They-are-aggressive-Trump-attests-to-Israels-malice-in-Netanyahu-meeting

    • Replies: @Z-man
  252. @Vojkan

    Hey, that’s great, thank’s for opportunity to note FB’s analysis is spreading on the web, sure beats you’re giving political fellatio to Saker:

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/how-we-know-the-il-20-was-shot-down-by-france-or-the-uk/

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Vojkan
    , @FB
  253. annamaria says:
    @tac

    Agree.
    “John Bolton, Trump’s Israel First NeoCon Adviser, “Coordinated” U.S. Strike On Syria With Israel: http://therealistreport.com/john-bolton-trumps-israel-first-neocon-adviser-coordinated-u-s-strike-on-syria-with-israel/
    “How much more proof do we need to demonstrate that Israeli and Jewish interests and narratives dictate every single move the United States federal government makes, especially when it comes to foreign policy? All of these endless wars in the Middle East – all based on proven, well-documented lies, exaggerations, and fake news – are specifically designed to advance Israeli geopolitical interests in the region, paving the way for Zionist hegemony and the dismantling and destruction of their competitors, all accomplished by exploiting Western military, financial, and human resources. We have a government and media that is entirely controlled by Jews and puppets of Jews doing the bidding of their puppet masters.”

    • Replies: @tac
  254. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    You trust more FB and Fort-Russ speculations based on made-up facts, I trust more what was released in the immediate aftermath of the downing and the fact an S-200 was more likely to have hit the plane than an Aster 15 based on the alleged position of the plane at the moment it was hit. We have different opinions, end of story.

  255. annamaria says:
    @seeing-thru

    “…the US deep state (both pro and anti Trump factions) are desperate to dominate the world.”
    – They have comrades/competitors at the City of London. Nothing can be compared to the voraciousness of the financiers. Look at the imbecile Skripals’ affair, at the promotion of the obvious ignoramus Eliot Higgins to the position of “expert,” the Seth Rich murder (note that there has been not a peep from the very surveilled DC), the appointment of blatantly unqualified Gavin Williamson to the Sec of Def position in the UK, the $21 trillion “lost” in the US alone. And then there is an open and dirty scandal of the presstituting MSM.

    The Financial Empire that rules the world is totally lawless. The truth has no consequence anymore.
    The major war criminals enjoy comforts of life (Cheney, Blair, Bush, Clintons, Sarcozy et al), whereas the innocent civilians (including children) are murdered by the millions in the Middle East in order to support the war criminals’ (and their progeny’) comforts.

  256. annamaria says:

    This is a very educational documentary about the human rights, western democracies, “peoples’ servants” in the government, domestic and international law, and other biggies that the “leaders of the western world” like Theresa May, Macron and Trump love lecturing to Russians and Chinese:
    “The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire:”

    • Agree: RobinG
  257. Z-man says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I read the article Chuck.
    Now I even read your link. Trump is being embarrassingly schmoozy with the Zionist snake, making some regretable remarks, but he hasn’t given him anything else since moving the embassy. Even the ‘final status’ of Jerusalem is still open to negotiation as per the Trump Admin.
    Trump, unfortunatley, won’t take Giraldi’s advice but he will listen to Buchanan and Carlson.
    One clarification to my post; He has attacked Iran economically but he won’t attack militarily, imo.
    ‘Nuff said.

    • Disagree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  258. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    As for fellatio, your comments qualify far more than mine. I disagreed with the Saker’s initial analysis but he altered his discourse after the Russian MoD’s statements.
    It is most probable that he French did fire at Syria in coordination with the Israelis and the British. It is most improbable that the French did down the Il-20.
    Everybody’s entitled to believe in being right and everybody else is wrong, and everybody’s entitled to believe that everybody else is stupid or part of the conspiracy. I have no intention to try altering your beliefs.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  259. tac says:

    Here is an interview Philip Giraldi did with Daniel McAdams:

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/09/26/liberty-report-the-good-bad-the-ugly-of-trumps-un-speech/

    https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1044726779032875008

    Protester dragged out after questioning policy against Iran, Saudi crimes in Yemen, and endless wars in the M.E.

    https://twitter.com/_SJPeace_/status/1043262298016628736

  260. tac says:
    @Iris

    Craig Murray: Facial Recognition Technology says the person in picture 1 is not the same person shown in pictures 2 & 3.
    Bellingcat is lying (as usual):

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/boshirov-is-probably-not-chepiga-but-he-is-also-not-boshirov/

    Person who filled the alleged passport form also forged the С.С. on the other form- its the SAME handwriting!

    • Replies: @tac
    , @Vojkan
  261. @RobinG

    No, I’ve never done gold. There are far better materials, like Zirconium, which is aesthetic, tough, non reactive, and does not conduct heat or electricity. I suggest you look at those if you need crowns.

  262. @Z-man

    So in retrospect – in light of your “reasoning” – Obama was a true American patriot who put America first, right?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  263. tac says:
    @tac

    The last link in my post did not show up. Here it is again:

  264. @Vojkan

    What’s interesting here is (for everyone to see) your idea the Russian MoD’s word is like scripture that can’t be questioned. Now, I understand the Western institutions are particularly egregious liars and by comparison the Russians could appear to be saints, but still…

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @annamaria
  265. Vojkan says:
    @tac

    Don’t need facial recognition technology to notice that 1 has a much wider forehead and shorter nose than 2 and 3. Speaks volumes of the contempt in which propaganda agencies hold the general public’s intelligence.

    • Replies: @tac
  266. Z-man says:
    @Harold Smith

    My reasoning is superior.
    Obama was a globalist who put America in the ‘bucket of equals’.
    He was also a failure and not for America 1st because of many of his domestic & foreign policies and specifically his cowardice vis a vis ‘Israel and the Palestinian peace plan’ which he had made illusions to resolving during the campaign and on his trip to Egypt. Nothing came of that as he completley surrendered to the Iz’raelis and it’s powerfull Cabal of allie$ over here.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  267. Peter Maya says: • Website

    PAX Judaica The Zionist Jewish stablishment WILL plunge the WORLD into WW III over their jewish supremacy MYTHS extreme,irrational Folkloric religious fiction. The jewish tribes defied the Roman Empiere in 90AD claiming the coming fo their messiah , Romans had NO use for the Talmud, Kabala, etc. Romans were driven by their own imperial interests not jewish religious myths. Pompei in 98AD invaded Jerusalem, destroyed the temple, crucified most survivors and sent the jews into eternal exile. The USA is being pushed by the jewish lobby to continue the killing fields in Afghanistan, Irak, Yemen, Lybia, etc. The USA must learnt from History and realize that a country, a nation a world power can NOT be extorted, manipulated into bloody wars…for RELIGIOUS folkloric fictional myths . The world Zionists do not believe in any religion they want to control the wordls oil resources for their own benefit.

  268. tac says:
    @Vojkan

    I agree, but verifying suspicions only cements them. What many people fail to realize is that ONLY the figure on the LEFT is that of Chepiga, the other two being that of ‘Boshirov’ (if that is his real name).

    Notice also Craig Murray ran his own image against that of Chepiga (betaface.com) and it gave him 72% similarity with Chepiga.

    Betaface.com, which runs industry standard software, gives the faces an 83% similarity, putting the probability of them being the same person at 2.8%.

    By comparison it gives me a 72% identity with Chepiga and a 2.1% chance of being him.

    BTW the last link seems to not post (I’ve tried twice already). So try it here

  269. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    The thing is the Russian MoD word is consistent with the first reports right after the incident. Also, the Israelis only deny the shadowing was deliberate and their initial reaction was to try to deflect the blame, which means that they expected to be blamed but they also expected the usual Putin’s lenience. The relative positions of the different actors during the incident also support more one version than the other. There is reason for the Syrians to fire at Israeli jets before the Russian plane gets in the way and there is no reason for the French to fire at a slow moving plane appearing on their radar at the limit of their air-defence range and behind Israeli jets that are in a better position at the moment to deal with it. If the flight paths are as they are told to be, the Russian MoD’s version holds water and the version in which the French down the plane doesn’t. It’s not a matter of whose weapons are capable of what, it’s a matter of logic.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  270. @Vojkan

    No, it’s a more a matter of Vojkan taking script from infallible truth-tellers (propagandists) in the theater of geopolitics. But that’s ok, oxymoron is the strength of those who believe (it’s like believing there are no contradictions in the bible, you know, Judas and whether he hanged himself or disemboweled himself doesn’t matter to real believers)

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  271. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    When someone offers you a compliment, you should graciously accept it.

    Now you’ve made me explain it and the charm is lost. Anyone can see that I wasn’t commenting about your brownness, which was after all, how you referred to yourself, “a brown person in Asia…”.

    I was referring to the fact that you, neither a native speaker nor a person who would have been steeped in English every day–well, you get the idea, unless you just don’t want to.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  272. tac says:
    @annamaria

    Despite the mind blowing costs of the fraudulent “Global War on Terror” – anywhere between $1.5 and $4 trillion dollars according to the report – and the fact that “extremism poses a greater threat today” than prior to 9/11, the authors of the report unsurprisingly urge “that the US consolidate its gains” against Islamic extremists, i.e., carry on the obviously counterproductive, costly, and destructive war against a faceless, manufactured enemy thousands of miles away from the United States. What a total scam!

    It’s worth pointing out that the very concept of a “Global War on Terror” is an entirely manufactured paradigm of international relations concocted back in the late 1970s by Israeli geopolitical and military strategists working in collaboration with their Jewish neoconservative allies dominating the foreign policy establishment in the United States, particularly in the years leading up to 9/11, as Christopher Bollyn and others have thoroughly documented. 9/11 was their “New Pearl Harbor,” which justified the institutionalization of their preconceived “Global War on Terror” narrative, and it has worked brilliantly.

    Until Americans and our political leaders grasps these basic facts – facts that can be easily verified through basic research on the Internet – I’m afraid the “Global War on Terror” will never end. And that’s precisely what the Israelis and Jewish neocons responsible for 9/11 are hoping for: they aim to continue using American military, financial, and human capital to advance their interests in the Middle East, exhausting America in the process.

    http://therealistreport.com/new-report-demonstrates-global-war-on-terror-is-a-never-ending-orwellian-nightmare/

  273. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    So, if I follow your logic, the Russian MoD and the Syrians on one side, the Israelis and the French on the other, though nominally adversaries, together conspired to obfuscate the truth and have us the gullible public believe in a version of the story in which the Israelis are the villain and the French get away with their misdeed?

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  274. RobinG says:
    @ThreeCranes

    And just what makes you assume he wasn’t steeped in English every day? Perhaps my own assumptions are wrong, but it seems there’s an enormous blind spot in your concept of Asia.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  275. @Z-man

    “Obama was a globalist who put America in the ‘bucket of equals’.”

    Please define “globalist” and explain what you mean by “bucket of equals”.

    “He was also a failure and not for America 1st because of many of his domestic & foreign policies and specifically his cowardice vis a vis ‘Israel and the Palestinian peace plan’ which he had made illusions to resolving during the campaign and on his trip to Egypt. Nothing came of that as he completley surrendered to the Iz’raelis and it’s powerfull Cabal of allie$ over here. ”

    LOL! Seriously? Trump has completely sold out to jewish supremacists. The embassy move, the repudiation of the JCPOA and the refusal to get out of Syria prove that Trump’s far more of a puppet that Obama ever was.

    Moreover, Trump’s war crimes in Syria and refusal to seek better relations with Russia have brought the world closer to WW3 than Obama ever did (all for the sake of the jewish supremacist agenda). Trump’s also done more to trash the U.S. dollar’s status as world reserve currency.

    Compared to Trump, Obama (the scumbag that he was) looks like a gentleman and a scholar. We will be lucky to survive Trump.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Anon
  276. geokat62 says:

    Speaking of risky Israeli behaviour, it appears The Lobby – UK has shot itself in the foot with their failed blitzkrieg campaign against Jeremy Corbyn. Concerned that Corbyn (a bona fide Progressive, rather than a phony Progressive Except for Palestine), may become the next PM of Britain, they falsely accused him of being an anti-Semite or Jew-hater.

    Well, I’ll let Gilad Atzmon explain what happened next. Excerpt from, The Spectacular Zionist Boomerang:

    Noticeable of late is that Israel firsters are changing their strategy. Tossing antisemitsm accusations against Corbyn and the Labour party was counterproductive, the accusations only ended up contributing to the popularity of Corbyn and the party. So now the Zionist clan is trying to mobilize new opposition by accusing the Labour party and its many supporters of being ‘unpatriotic.’ “Shockingly, earlier in the week Labour constituencies chose to debate ‘Palestine’ with more than 188,000 votes – making it the only international issue to receive a dedicated debate in Liverpool and thousands more votes than for concerns such as the NHS, the welfare system, or Brexit.”

    https://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2018/9/27/the-spectacular-zionist-boomerang

    I can’t wait for The Lobby – USA to try the same tactic by disparaging members of the Democratic Party for being “unpatriotic.” This, too, could backfire though as the Democrats could quickly prove their patriotism by calling for an end to the nearly $4B in annual tribute paid to the Jewish state… money that could be better spent on Health Care, the welfare system, and infrastructure.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  277. Z-man says:
    @Harold Smith

    LOL! Seriously? Trump has completely sold out to jewish supremacists. The embassy move, the repudiation of the JCPOA and the refusal to get out of Syria prove that Trump’s far more of a puppet that Obama ever was.

    While I can viscerally agree with the above statement on further review outside of the Iran deal Trump hasnt given Zion any more than was already in the pipeline under Obama. Like I’ve said before, the embassy move was just a symbolic gesture and still left open final status accords between the parties.
    The rest of your post is not worth responding to.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  278. @Z-man

    “While I can viscerally agree with the above statement on further review outside of the Iran deal Trump hasnt given Zion any more than was already in the pipeline under Obama. ”

    So according to you, WW3 with Russia over the jewish supremacist agenda in the Mideast was “already in the pipeline”? That’s some “pipeline” you got there.

    And what about Trump’s escalation in Afghanistan and his apparent effort to trash the dollar? Only a hard core “globalist” would do things like that, right?

    And how do you explain Obama’s apparent effort to swing the election to Trump by attacking the Syrian Army at Deir Ezzor in Sept. 2016?

    “The rest of your post is not worth responding to.”

    ROTFL! So you’re not even going to define “globalist” or tell me what you meant by “bucket of equals”?

  279. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold Smith

    1. Taking Syria is in the interest of Germanic and Celtic peoples. Same with Iran. Same with all of Turkistan. There is some hidden historical information. But (respectfully) try to see your way out of the Far Left Ghetto regardless. Ultimately, they hate you. They’re merely haters with a slightly better sense of ethical justice and thus they are willing to hate Jews because otherwise they see an ethical conflict. Just because they hate Jews, though, doesn’t make them allies in this case.

    2. The embassy move, coinciding with Israel’s ethnostate declaration, is a preparation for an ultimate repatriation of all Jews to Israel. That’s a good thing. Though, I’m unclear on the time-frame. Only those with active information would know. It could be within ten years, or it could be two generations from now. The declaration of this eventuality is made by the Jews themselves throughout their available texts. Theologically, it will signal the end to the world’s growth period.

    3. Russia is a role-player and a bit of a grey-man. Don’t worry about them. If WWIII goes down, it will have been scripted and thus inevitable regardless of any prior Russia interaction. China and Africa are your real opponents. Of course, the latter are helpless pawns and no active threat other than what we allow them to be demographically. That’s not much of a real threat though. Again, we allow it.

    4. All economic moves are long ago-scripted and wholly necessary. They have nothing to do with any unilateral action on Trump’s part as a supposed rogue. He’s merely standing in to take the heat for them.

    5. Obama served the script and will be historically well-regarded as a president, but he’s ultimately a house boy with all of the associated racial baggage that entails. I think he’s okay with his role and his rewards as a tradeoff.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  280. @Anon

    “Taking Syria is in the interest of Germanic and Celtic peoples. Same with Iran. []”

    You really don’t expect to say something like this and still be taken seriously, do you?

  281. Z-man says:

    So you’re not even going to define “globalist” or tell me what you meant by “bucket of equals”?

    That’s right, if you can’t figure that out I aint gonna tell ya. The rest of your posts are nonsense.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  282. renfro says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Phil has never been smart enough to cover up his envy of the WASP he wishes he was like.
    Because of that envy he needs to make ‘Jewishness’ special and “elite” and since he is not elite on his own and is just a Jew he constantly promotes Jews as rich, powerful. brilliant, etc…so he can be elite simply by being a Jew. He’s a tortured case of a inferiority complex desperately trying to be elite thru rich casino Jews, hedge fund crooks that he calls ‘smart’.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Cloak And Dagger
  283. @RobinG

    Yes. You’re right. Your own assumptions are wrong.

    Mea culpa. My enormous blind spot prevented me from seeing when Asia became the urheimat of the English language.

  284. @Vojkan

    The notion that God gave the ability to reason between right and wrong, one aspect of Judaism, does not strike me as wrong. I tend to think the majority of those Jews I find to be personally likeable more or less follow this idea. Then there is the other idea, that only members of the tribe are God’s children and all others, well, chattel. To be so full of oneself must be hell on earth, which is why they make life such a hell for those around them.

    I think this is one message Jesus of Nazareth was trying to promulgate through his teachers’ college. Early Christians were Jews, many of them in Damascus. (cough cough wink wink stamp stamp stamp)

    There is no common ground between the traditions started by these followers and the Neo-Nazis in Tel Aviv/Jerusalem.

  285. @anarchyst

    Not supporting YOUR claims hardly make me, what you claim. It is my right to blankly refute nonsense out of hand, when it is indeed nonsense.
    Neither you nor any other commenter here, has got insight to the truth, as it is well guarded and known only to a few high ranking military officials, who will tell what the politicians want them to tell us.
    FB made an analysis that made sense since he tried thoroughly to sort out timings, flightpaths ect. That made sense.

  286. @James Speaks

    I agree that moral truths can be comprehended through reason, but do you believe this is particular to or distinctive of Judaism?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  287. @Vojkan

    Now you’re being ‘cute’ … as had been laid laid out by persons with stronger understanding than yourself, the Israelis & French were the 1st to lie, the Russians unexpectedly flipped the lie back onto them. Then what do the French & Israelis do? Admit they lied? Doesn’t work like that.

    cute |kyo͞ot|
    adjective
    informal clever, especially in a self-seeking or superficial way: Vojkan attempts to be cute with Unz readers

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  288. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Given the actual history of the beginnings of Judaism (peasant revolt at a time when the Sea Peoples had decimated both Egyptian and Hittite rule over the land of Palestine) when the people more or less had to figure out a new religion, I think it is characteristic of Judaism, as is the notion of chosen people. Go figure, the fruit of the forbidden tree that allows moral and ethical judgements, versus the option of staying in the land of Eden, where grace, ignorance and narcissism are conferred by birthright.

    I also think the people had lost their way around the time of Jesus, and afterwards, both traditions (Christianity and Rabbinical Judaism) carried the dichotomy forward.

    Just my humble opinion, of course.

  289. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    I am being cute but you chose to ignore facts that don’t suit your narrative. Like the fact that the Syrians went into panic mode immediately after the downing and sought to shift the blame to Israelis. Why would they do that if they made no mistake?
    I take into account all the information that I have seen since the shooting. You base your narrative on partial or straight made-up facts and assumptions to build yours. Show me credible information that the flight paths and positions were different than said to be at the time of shooting and I’ll reconsider.
    Given the information from the moment of shooting to this moment, French participation in the attack and Israelis using the Il-20 as shield hold water. French downing of the Il-20 doesn’t hold water.
    Oh, and if the French downed the plane and I were Russian and had evidence that they did, to score in terms of propaganda, I would have gone after the French, between France and Israel, the former is the weak link. Israel already has a horrible image but is a formidable foe and is impervious to pressure. Pressuring France, which I am certain Putin doesn’t hold as dear in his heart as Israel, French leaders in the recent past are all sleazes in comparison with Netanyahu, would have been much more profitable. Don’t give me the crap about fear of antagonising France. The French have had an equally disgusting role in Syria as the Americans, are as much enemies of Syria are as Israelis and will continue to have a destabilising role in the long term. Giving them a good slap can only be beneficial.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  290. @geokat62

    Morning geokat!
    … Must talk about HYPOCRISY & how the ZUSA Corporate Media enforces such “tactic” upon inattentive and vulnerable citizens.
    … You’re likely aware how, while addressing the U.N.G.A., Netanyahu put on a phoney act and insisted he had proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
    … Like the old Canadian Mountie saying that “they always get their nan,” the Zionist Jews always get their wars!
    … Below is a fine PressTV article which illustrates Israel’s hypocrisy. Fyi, Iran Foreign Minister Zarif articulately lashed out at Netanyahu for making baseless claims.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/28/575414/Iran-Netanyahu-nuclear-qassemi-unga

    Thank you, Brother geo!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  291. Ahoy says:

    Two telling, but not noticed, blows to the fabric of American society. The abolition of Aesop*s fables from schools (Education) and the Javits immigration law (Race).

  292. Z-man says:
    @renfro

    Which ‘Phil’ are you talking about??

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  293. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    … You’re likely aware…

    Hey, Chuck.

    The stage is set for a repeat of the buildup to the invasion of Iraq. The Trump administration will be told to follow the script of promoting the Irani National Congress and using the PR firm, The Rendon Group, to feed journalists fabricated stories in an effort to sell the war.

    Nut’nYahoo is playing all The Dumb American Goyim for freiers (Yiddish for “suckers”).

    How did W put it? Oh, yeah, I remember:

    There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.

    I can just imagine hearing Bibi and his pals laughing themselves silly after that one.

    And how long before we see Bibi testifying before a congressional committee reassuring The Dumb American Goyim that

    If you take out the Mullahs, the Iranian regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region

    Fasten your seatbelt, Chuck. Both Acts 1 (remove the hostile Sunni regimes in Iraq and Libya) and 2 (take a Sunni turn by allying with Al-Qaeda and IS against the Shias) have finished and we’re about to witness the beginning of Act 3 (the Sunnis, led by KSA, engaging in a 100 year war against the Shias, led by Iran).

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Cloak And Dagger
  294. FB says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Ronald, last night I posted an additional analysis on the same thread, examining the additional information that was released by the Russian MoD in the Sept 23 briefing by Gen Konashenkov…

    The comment is here…

    The additional info only makes the official story more impossible…especially damning is the alleged radar data from an S400 radar…which purports to show the S200 missile in close proximity to the IL20 a full minute and a half before impact…during which ~90 seconds the S200 would cover between 65 and 232 km, based on its minimum and maximum flying speed…

    I also go into some radar basics and show that even air traffic control [ATC] radar requires a separation of LESS THAN 150 METERS in order for two aircraft to merge into one radar ‘pip’ on the radar display…

    Every professional pilot knows how accurate radar really is…our safety depends on it…having flown in the radar-controlled airspace system for many years I have a good appreciation of the technical issues involved and the real world capabilities of radar…

    The radars used for surface to air missile systems [SAMs] are MUCH more powerful than civilian radar…which means that the separation distance [radar resolution] would be much smaller on these high performance SAM radars…

    I also talk about the fact that the Syrian S200, having been UPGRADED AND INTEGRATED into the Russian air defense system for more than a year, according to official MoD announcements, has been upgraded to actually use the S400 and S300 radars to guide the S200 missile to its target…

    The official story is simply not physically possible…that is quite clear…it is of course possible that a massive human failure caused a Syrian system [it would have had to have been under Russian command] to fire on the Il20 aircraft, but again the timing with alleged radar masking would have nothing to do with it…if such masking were even possible, which is highly unlikely…

    What is far more likely is that the Ilyushin takedown was in fact a carefully planned ambush involving the UK, France and Israel…

    Note…it has taken several days to carefully examine all the information that has been presented and to put together this analysis…for those commenters here who have any thoughts, criticisms of questions of what I have presented, please feel free to engage…

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  295. @Z-man

    “That’s right, if you can’t figure that out I aint gonna tell ya.”

    You tell me that Obama was a “globalist” and Trump isn’t, yet Trump’s self-destructive, imperialist policies are worse than Obama’s. So naturally I’m going to ask you exactly what you mean by the term “globalist,” but then you wont tell me? I’m expected to burden myself looking for nuggets of meaningfulness among all the piles of horseshit you throw at the wall? ROTFL! Well at least you’re somewhat entertaining.

    “The rest of your posts are nonsense.”

    They are? How would you know? If you don’t even understand what you’re saying, how can you hope to understand what anyone else is saying?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  296. FB says:
    @Vojkan

    Hey dirtball…

    I notice you are talking shit behind my back…but of course fail to come and challenge my physics and math, which you here deride…[kind of like a mouse squeaking about how a cat doesn't know anything...LOL]

    I just posted a follow up analysis after carefully examining the Konashenkov presentation of Sept 23…posted on the Saker thread here…

    Why don’t you come over and show us your mighty math and physics ‘skills’…LOL…?

    PS…also noticed that commenter Ronald Thomas Westl quickly figured you out as a faker and poser…after being challenged you simply ran away crying…nice one loser…here is an idea for you…try to figure out a way to keep your gas emissions to yourself…I’m sure your hubby will appreciate it…

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  297. @Vojkan

    All of the information in the public domain is hearsay (we heard someone say it, e.g Russians, Israelis, French) and none of it is infallible (at this point.) If the Russians told the Syrians to have a panic attack, Assad would grab his heart, but then where is your source, sitting at the right hand of Syria’s Assad? Omnipresence is severely lacking in information warfare and related truth-filters (media) are exceedingly unreliable. More telling (perhaps) is the French practically throwing their hands in the air before the wreckage could even be cooled by the seawater to shout ‘it wasn’t us!’ (they could have waited for the accusation the immediate denial seemed to anticipate.)

    FB’s analysis made some rather strong points (especially if his technical specs are correct) and your denial of any credibility to his arguments other than mainly shouting they’re simply not possible (pointing to it’s not possible to deviate from the Kremlin line?) indicates a prejudice atypical of good intelligence analysis. Maybe, for whatever reasons, what’s really going on in your head is this next:

    “Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief” -Frantz Fannon

    Say what you like, I’m moving on (there will be no reply)

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  298. @FB

    Glad (irony) you’ll give time to the numbskull Vojkan, I’m out of patience. My best to you -

    • LOL: FB
  299. Mike P says:
    @geokat62

    The stage is set for a repeat of the buildup to the invasion of Iraq.

    It simply is not going to work. Iran is much larger, much stronger, much more cohesive than Iran, and they will be at least covertly aided by China and Russia, who can ill afford to lose this cornerstone of the emerging Eurasian alliance. The cost to America would be greater than any other war since WW2, and the American military knows it. Not to mention the destruction of Israel.

    It will be terror, sanctions, regime change all the way, but I just can’t imagine an all-out military attack. (Well, at least not one not intended to double-cross Israel – pretend to attack Iran, let Israel be destroyed, and then call it off. Maybe that is the plan?)

    • Agree: Iris
  300. Vojkan says:
    @FB

    When someone brings me your bs as argument, publicly answering that it is bs is not talking behind your back, it is there for you to see too. As for your analysis, I haven’t read it and don’t intend wasting time on it since you have demonstrated your lack of math skills and your ignorance with regards to how things actually work on several previous occasions.

    • Replies: @FB
  301. Ahoy says:

    We live in a Frantz Fannon world, as is stated in comment 305. The huge deficiency of core historical knowledge has been subsituted by fantasies and political slogans. The real symbolism of the Kennedy and 911 events has escaped the majority of the American society. They have drilled in our minds their concept of Democracy, so they can hide the fact that we live under a communist tyrany. If you try to tell somebody that a system that allows a guy with a million to neutralize the votes of a million people is not democratic, you may lose a friend. America needs a leader to galvanise the people around him on the values of Country, Family, Christianity.

  302. @renfro

    Yeah, even marrying a shiksa didn’t change his psyche.

  303. FB says:
    @Vojkan

    Like I said asswipe…bring your arguments…anybody can say ‘you don’t know shit’…that’s what your ‘reply’ amounts to…

    You think someone who does know physics and math would not see through your fucking BS…you’re a retarded fucking idiot…and you’re knowledge of physics and math is ABOSLUTE FUCKING ZILCH…

    If you dispute that, then let me see you challenge some of the physics and math I have presented in many comments here…

    Why don’t you start with this one… where I debunked last April the US claim of hitting that one-acre so-called ‘chemical lab’ with 74 cruise missiles…

    Let us see how much you actually know…go ahead…that is a challenge you fucking nitwit…you realize that if you don’t take up the challenge your hot air here is exposed for all to see…you’re full of fucking shit, while knowing fucking zilch…end of fucking story…

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  304. Vojkan says:
    @James Speaks

    I wanted to just hit the “Agree” button but it didn’t work so I’ll write a little more than just “I agree”.
    My experience with Jews quite confirms your observation. I note that the blurring of concepts of right and wrong and the proliferation of behaviours that go against nature coincide with the decline of belief in God.
    I also note that Jews of the supremacist type have largely contributed to that decline.

  305. @geokat62

    (the Sunnis, led by KSA, engaging in a 100 year war against the Shias, led by Iran).

    From what I observe, this will be short-lived. There are signs that the Shia and the Sunni (the govt. of KSA notwithstanding) are actually starting to converge against the common foe. It may take a few more years to fully materialize, but designating Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and the attacks on the Al Aqsa mosque

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170801-israeli-attacks-on-al-aqsa-mosque/

    will ultimately prove unifying for the moslems. The recent act by KSA of banning of 600,000 Palestinians from pilgrimage by the KSA is going to raise the ire of both parties:

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-bans-issuing-visas-600000-palestinians-visiting-mecca-929133513

    I think we are about to see one of the turning points of history.

  306. geokat62 says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    I think we are about to see one of the turning points of history.

    I hope you’re right. That said, we need to be careful not to count The Lobby out. It’s like the proverbial vampire: no matter how many times you think you’ve killed it, it somehow manages to find a way to come back.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  307. Vojkan says:
    @FB

    I don’t just say you don’t know shit. You have proven you don’t know shit. The thesis of deliberate ambush of the Il-20 for it to be downed by a French FREMM is the most absurd of all.
    Either the plane got too close to the French frigate and in the absence of identification the French had every right to down it or the plane was too far from the French frigate and the official version stands since no one alleges that the Israeli downed it.
    But elementary logic has never been the strong side of nerds used to ingurgitate and regurgitate. Spend a little time in the outside world, not only physically, also mentally, it might do you good.

    • Agree: James Speaks
    • Replies: @FB
  308. Z-man says:
    @Harold Smith

    Well at least you’re somewhat entertaining.

    Can’t say the same about you, lol!!!

  309. @Cloak And Dagger

    Cloak And Dagger wrote: “I think we are about to see one of the turning points of history.”
    … Greetings C&D!
    … Fyi, given the consensus need for establishing Greater Israel, I believe the ZUSA, Zionist-Britain, France, and of course Israel are too impatient for a KSA-led Sunni versus Shia “100 years war.”
    … International Jewry-intelligentsia realize that such a well financed Arab “boots on the ground” coalition would be too flimsy and prone to become demoralized.
    … Doubtless, the Egyptian street-support for going to war for KSA and Israel is dubious at best, and no one really knows how Erdogan’s Turkey would respond to such a sordid Islamic alliance divide.
    … In Russia, fyi, there is a capable Chechen fighting force who are loyal to the Putin government and I cannot see such Muslims going to war against Iran and Syria.
    … To conclude, I post the following thoughtful comment offered by geokat: “… and we’re about to witness the beginning of Act 3 (the Sunnis, led by KSA, engaging in a 100 year war against the Shias…,”
    … Internal restless population-pressure mounts upon the Zionist USA, Britain, France, and perhaps Russia (gulp) to act now (!) and simultaneously effect insane regime-change in Iran and Syria.
    … The Zionist Anglo-American/ Israeli Empire economies are not built to wait upon the outcome of even a one (1) year Sunni vs. Shia (Middle East) war! (Zigh) The monstrous injustice has a short fuse, C&D, and history’s grim “turning point” is underway.
    … Regrettably, I propose the Act 3-future for Middle East non-aligned Jewish states goes something like this popular cowboy jingle: “Bombs away, chaos reigns, and let Yahweh sort it out.”
    … Thanks!

  310. FB says:
    @Vojkan

    Like I said shithead…you know nothing about any science and you have proved nothing other than you are a stupid shithead…

    Also you don’t know how to read…my ‘thesis’ is not that the French ship shot the Ilyushin down, but that the official story is physically impossible…I have proved that beyond doubt…as to what actually brought the plane down, I posed a reasonable speculation…it could easily have been the French ship or a British jet…

    You don’t know the facts about the actual missile ranges on that ship..they are listed as only 30 km PLUS for the Aster 15…that PLUS means the actual range is not publicly known…considering that the Aster 30 is the same diameter and only 16 cm longer and has a range of 70 km it is not ruled out…

    Your claim that it is ruled out is horseshit…like everything else you squawk about here…because you don’t know the actual distance of the ship to the Ilyushin flight path…

    There is also the possibility of a British air to air missile…either of those cannot be ruled out based on the known information…

    Look…I have only so much time and energy to waste on a useless fucking plankton…one commenter here has already told you to fuck off but you just keep on shitting all over this fucking thread…go fuck yourself…you’re no use to anybody here…

  311. Respectfully to geokat & Cloak and Dagger:
    … Am not trying to foolishly prove my point, but please consider the article (below) which for me suggests that knowledgeable Iranians share a measure of logical distrust for Russia?

    https://militaryhistorynow.com/2017/11/02/iran-vs-the-allies-the-persian-gulf-war-of-1941/

    Thanks!

  312. @geokat62

    we need to be careful not to count The Lobby out

    Indeed. However, while the lobby is unashamedly capable of continuing to corrupt our government and thus persist in effecting consequential global turmoil, I submit that the tides are turning and those subjugated to the subsequent strife are no longer presenting the other cheek. There is a tide in the affairs of men when tyranny results in its own downfall and guillotines flood the streets with the blood of oppressors. As Jefferson said: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

    The last to awaken are often the citizenry of the oppressing nations that remain apathetic while their bellies are full and their minds are shielded from the destruction perpetrated on strangers in faraway lands by their venal rulers in their name, as evidenced by our lobby-controlled MSM.

    But bellies are no longer full and this propped-up economy is set to stumble. The dollar is about to lose its status of being the reserve currency and the petro-dollar is about to go up in smoke. As stomachs begin to growl in this nation of ours, fangs will bare and blood shall flow, for we are many and they are few. The carnage that will ensue will be the stake through the heart of this evil-incarnate and all its denizens of Hades. The death of the lobby will be the death of Israel.

    Bar your doors when those fleeing demons from Israel land in our backyard.

    • Agree: Jeffery Cohen
  313. Vojkan says:

    A good conspiracy is a conspiracy with as few knowing and willing conspirators as possible. The more numerous are the willing and knowing, the more fragile is the conspiracy. Numbers and time are the enemies of conspiracies. Though time is needed to build up a good conspiracy, the time needed to implement it, and the timing f its implementation are critical to its success. A good conspiracy is one that rallies unknowing conspirators. For great conspiracies to succeed, a small number of willing and knowing and a large number of unknowing are needed, and a planned timing.
    That’s the main weakness of conspiracy theorists, they don’t know their subject and are easily debunked.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  314. Vojkan says:
    @FB

    I see insults. A lot of insults. That’s what you always do when people disagree with you. I see no argument besides ‘I’m clever and knowledgeable’. Contrary to you, I don’t consider people to be ignorants I have to spray with my genius. I invite people to use their logic and the tools at their disposal to inform themselves. I also invite them to remain open if they don’t have enough information to forge a definite opinion.
    I think you spend too much time before your computer screen eating junk food. I eat mostly organic food. I grow myself a part of it and I buy a lot directly from farmers. Things you can only dream of. But you prefer cheeseburgers and pizza anyway.

  315. @Vojkan

    Anyway, I don’t think it is wise of Russia to play down French involvement for the sake of Russian-French relationship. France under Macron is a shit country but the French are too vain to admit that they have elected a complete moron as president. There is no comparison with Erdogan’s Turkey. Erdogan has way more substance than the Rotschild puppet Macron.

    We all wonder why VVP does what he does, but I am beginning to see a pattern emerge. Back in the day, there was a great deal of mirth at Dubya’s comment that “Putin is a man of peace.” Dubya was and is a fairly intelligent person who choses to act stupidly and be insensitive, but he is perceptive.

    The sense I get of VVP is that he has the ability to be as kind or as ruthless as he needs to be based on the situation, but is also willing to invest kindness where it might do some good. Both Netanyahu and Erdogan are strong leaders, and Putin does what he can to steer them in the right direction. Macron is obviously a lightweight, and it does no good to steer him because he will invariably run home to wife/mother every night for potty training. If I could, I would hereby sentence Macron and Tony Blair to a special form of hell where both are being tormented by demons, and all it would take is for one to demonstrate a backbone and the other would be rescued, but it never happens because both are recumbent cephalopods.

    Israel screwed up bigly. Putin’s initial response was to blame “tragic circumstances” but after his generals presented him with evidence of Israeli treachery, he allowed them to implement restrictions on Israel. Note that these could have been done anytime in the past five years, but VVP waited until after the southern borders were secured.

    Israel demonstrated poor character worse than culpability, she demonstrated treachery. As a result, Israel is hemmed in for its own good. Now, Netanyahu et al are in talks with Syria about opening a passageway between Syria’s Golan heights and Syria proper, and with Egypt regarding opening the border between Gaza and Egypt. These developments are fitting responses to the narcissism expressed, namely “Thou shalt now talk to thine neighbors.” LOL.

    Netanyahu may be beyond personal redemption, but with sufficient prodding, he can be convinced to not lead Israel over the cliff. Same goes for Erdogan. Macron is not worthy of this form of education, though we all have hope that France will find a better leader.

    As for the Rothschilds, I tend to think their time on this planet is as limited as the Holocene as it comes to a close.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  316. peterAUS says:
    @Vojkan

    For great conspiracies to succeed, a small number of willing and knowing and a large number of unknowing are needed, and a planned timing.

    You’ve left out the most important group: the majority. Those who simply do not care about the issue at hand. And even more important today, those who can’t care for the issue at hand for longer than 15 minutes.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @ChuckOrloski
  317. Vojkan says:
    @James Speaks

    Nothing to add. Agree again.

  318. annamaria says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    “I understand the Western institutions are particularly egregious liars…”
    — Why don’t you stay on point? The Jewish State is not a Western institution but a supremacist theocracy and the Jewish State institutions are filled with the particularly egregious liars.

    The “institutions” in both the UK and France are heavily zionized. Blair the Pious and Sarkozy should have been put to prison for the crimes against humanity already IF the Western institutions were still functional.

    Only a highly dysfunctional society could have as its Secretary of Defense a former salesperson with an expertise in selling the fireplaces, ceramics et al — and zero (0) military experience. Moreover, Gavin Williamson has bad manners of a poorly educated person of limited intellectual abilities.
    The Jewish State enjoys even more interesting case: Its Defense Minister used to be a bouncer in a Moldovan nightclub; he is also a convicted felon. Again, Avi has zero military experience and bad manners of a poorly educated person of limited intellectual abilities.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Vojkan
  319. Vojkan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    What a freakin’ racist you are. My advice to FB goes to you too, go out, meet people. I’ve had colleagues from Cameroon. In spite of their dark brown skin, they were better at math than most folks with a paler complexion in the same class.

  320. Vojkan says:
    @FB

    I’ve tried to figure out a more polite answer. But it all goes down to this, you play video games and eat junk food, I cook and read books, you stay in front your computer, I walk and drive around in hills and mountains. You have nothing to lose but porn and video games, you’re a loser by definition, and I have the whole world to lose, I have God’s creation to lose.

    • Replies: @FB
  321. Vojkan says:
    @peterAUS

    They are known to be irrelevant, and need not a significant effort to be overwhelmed. Steering the reluctant in one way or the other is how you achieve success. Giving a loudspeaker to the opposition you can easily overwhelm is an artifice to make your conspiracy succeed.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @ChuckOrloski
  322. peterAUS says:
    @Vojkan

    Agree.

    That’s why the “progs” are psychotic re Trump.
    They lost the exclusive access to the loudspeaker and know that ANY message will be bought, hook and sinker, by the masses. One condition only: enough of breads and circuses.

    I read ages ago something like: ANY idea propagated by MSM in West for 6 months will take hold on majority there. I admit my naivety then: didn’t believe that. Had more faith in people.
    The CHINK in that faith came with the “Merciful Angel”. Iraq 2003 destroyed it.
    This latest, the “Russia thing”, simply confirmed it.

    I just have a gut feeling that there will be a heavy price to pay for that, ahm, mindset. Karma, Universe, natural order, whatever. Just not sure in what form.
    Don’t mind paying it with the rest; it will be worth, by just watching all that around.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  323. @peterAUS

    … Pitiful how this comment thread degraded to a PeterAUS and Vojkan love fest exchange?
    … For example, the former wrote vertically to the latter: “You’ve left out the most important group: the majority. Those who simply do not care about the issue at hand.”
    … (Zigh) International Jewry overruled the majority populations in ZUSA, Britain, and France.
    … (zzZigh) The Jewish Corporate Media decides how ‘Merkins should think about issues.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  324. @FB

    Your almost immediate resort to ad hominem doesn’t inspire much confidence in your arguments. You were actually challenged on a conflict in your thesis on the Saker thread (comment #375 by Shahna), that I don’t see you’ve responded to. Namely, you claim the Russian MoD is lying, yet you rely on them for the positions of the planes. Why?

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @FB
  325. Vojkan says:
    @peterAUS

    I don’t mind paying, whatever my guilt or innocence. I do mind innocents paying for a guilt they don’t bear. God does according with his plan, I do according with my conscience.

  326. Vojkan says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    If you don’t like our exchange, you don’t have to read it, you can just ignore us. As there are posts by you I find informative and there are posts by you I scroll over. You are free to scroll over ours. Peter and I are opposite sides and yet we talk instead of fighting. I realise that an exchange between two parties who don’t hurl insults at each other may seem dull but as I said, you are free to scroll over.

  327. @Vojkan

    Vojkan (hee-hee) lectured PeterAUS: “Giving a loudspeaker to the opposition you can easily overwhelm is an artifice to make your conspiracy succeed.”
    … As a conspiratorial gift from P.M.
    Ariel Sharon & the administration’s treasonous Neoconservatives, a loudspeaker was handed to G.W. Bush-The-Lesser & it became an “artifice” tool that helped enable the PNAC’s Global War on Terror conspiracy to “overwhelm” the shrugging ‘Merkin conscience & common sense, and let “Homeland” darkness prevail.
    … Fyr, (zzzZigh), featured below is the Ground Zero carnie-barker!

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Vojkan
    , @Vojkan
    , @Z-man
  328. Vojkan says:
    @annamaria

    Unfortunately, we live in a dystopia where everything you stated is reality. The Jews I know aren’t happy with it either. They refute any association with the Jews that own the dystopia. I understand them, historically, people have gone after them, people have never gone after the real owners of the dystopia.

  329. Vojkan says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    That’s the problem with all aspiring gurus. They don’t want people with a critical mind to read their ramblings. They want followers. My problem is that if I prove he’s stupid, people will think that all my ilk is stupid. He’s of my ilk, and it hurts.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  330. Vojkan says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    C’mon, you aren’t supposed to use my words against me ;-)

    • Disagree: ChuckOrloski
  331. Myopically, Vojkan said: “… people have never gone after the real owners of the dystopia.
    … Uh, Vozh, please let me know — do you mean “people,” like for example, Philip Giraldi, Ron Unz, Ray McGovern, David Irving, Alan Sabrosky, Kevin Barrett, Cynthia McKinney, David Duke, Christopher Bollyn?
    … (zzZigh)

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  332. Vojkan says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Gimme a break. You can’t put me on the same side as a loon who’s been told by God over the interphone to attack Iraq. I admit you dislike what I say but you have the choice of either putting up arguments or ignoring me. I don’t take a creative interpretation of Newton laws as argument. I’m a math nazi.

  333. Vojkan says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I appreciate them a lot, I am fond of them, really, but what is their immediate influence? How effective are we, you and me in spreading ideas? I know I am ineffective because most people I talk to believe the state is the solution to their problems and nothing I can say can alter that belief. What do you say to people?

  334. Vojkan says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    My attempt at lightening the conversation by using self-derision has obviously fallen on deaf ears.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  335. Reasonably, Vojkan asked me:. “What do you say to people?”
    … Hi Vodzh.
    … First off, I get serious only when speaking with serious people who are desirous and open to honest awareness.
    … Typically, when someone asks me a serious question, I inquire whether or not they anticipate getting my serious & sincere response. They get free choice!
    … Consequently, a majority of people that I encounter around Scranton neither want to know what I think nor do they care. So be it.
    … So in short, my strategy is giving people solid food only when graduated from liquid food.
    … To be an effective interlocutor instead of an ideologue who merely wants to tell others how-to-think, one must clearly identify problematic issues prior to settling upon a solution.
    … Well, Vodzh, here at U.R.-comments, I don’t think I know anything much more that I ain’t said! (Zigh) ‘Merkin subjects are ultra-disadvantaged now because they are convinced nothing can be done to throw off their Zionist Jew chains.
    … Good night and go under the Mercy.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  336. @Harold Smith

    Trump came into office believing he could change things. He can’t because the underlying deep state lobbies are just too powerful but at least we don’t have Clinton in the WH because she certainly would have escalated the situation in the ME.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  337. @Cloak And Dagger

    From what I observe, this will be short-lived. There are signs that the Shia and the Sunni (the govt. of KSA notwithstanding) are actually starting to converge against the common foe.

    I remember, when Russia took Crimea in very early 2014, a poster at Saker’s blog predicted Crimea was given to Russia on a Silver Platter by USA. He claimed both USA and Russia are in cahoots. He was very much liked, and everyone tried to ask him if he knew the meaning of cahoots.

    In 2017, another poster named Larchmonter445 made a similar claim. He was reminded that it was Mohamed who first made this claim after the takeover of Crimea by Russia. Larchmonter445 agreed with them it was correct.

    Mohamed made another prediction that the Muslims are finally being united against a common foe, including Saudi Arabia. One can see the massive changes taking place in KSA, where MSB is now shaking hands with Saudi Women in hijab. Huge changes are taking place in Wahhabi Land.

    What it is in both Sunni and Shia? And, why the ISIS are godsend for Muslims?

    Sunni: ISIS by taking some land by force and claiming a Caliphate, showed a very ugly face of Islam. People realized that this kind of theology is part of Traditional Sunni Theology since the onset of demise of the Prophet. With availability of internet massive of Muslims started to learn their ugly face of Islam and being part of the theology itself.

    The concept of Caliphate was questioned en masses and its negative affects on Islam, especially the wars and sins committed by this concept of Caliphate. The Sunni dream of One Caliph for all Muslims took a massive hit, which pleased the Rulers of the Divided Caliphate of Turkey.

    Shia: The Sunni are divided in four major sects with vast differences and each sect having their own Sharia which is different from the three other sects. The Shia were included as fifth sect and their Sharia was accepted, thus they are no longer Kafir. It was recognized that a massive change in thinking was needed to be adopted with 1400 years of Shia being called Kafir, which will take time.

    Especially, the Shia version of Islamic History was accepted as true and correct, which was helped by internet available to massive of Muslims. Another claim that Shia are only 10% of Muslims was debunked, that it is more likely to be 20-25%.

    Where are those Shia? Most of the Shia are Arabs and are in Middle East. Thus, these people speak, read, wrote the language of the Prophet. Almost all the Islamic Literature is in Arabic and they didn’t need the translation. Translation had two problems, (1) not all the Islamic Literate could be translated in several languages, (2) and the translation themselves have intentional corruption in them, especially the translation of the Quran in different languages. To Muslim, a translated Quran is NOT considered Quran.

    Iran was a Sunni country and they become Shia. Whereas, Egypt was a Shia country and was converted to Sunni by swords. Throughout the Islamic history the Shia were persecuted and killed because their version of Islamic History was truth, so it had to be suppressed. Add, it the Shia were against the concept of corrupt Caliphate at git-go.

    Where are those Sunni? They are mostly not from Middle East. They can recite Quran with perfect Quranic Dialect and beat the Arabs in these rectification competition, as Arabs are used to minimally 3 different dialects of Arabic, including the Quranic Dialect. But those who are not Arabs, mostly can recite the Quran better than Arabs, but they cannot understand what they are reciting. They cannot speak, read, write Arabic. Most who know English rely on Arabic-English Lexicon Book by Edward William Lane. They usually quote from it as they are expert in Arabic, but never reference it.

  338. @Vojkan

    BTW I credit your propaganda point on the Saker thread (hasn’t been cleared yet by the mods, should be #396.)

  339. Mike P says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hi Chuck …

    …. please consider dropping the … idiosyncratic punctuation … it … makes your … comments … hard on the eyes.

    … Cheers.

  340. Z-man says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey hey hey, I’ve been using the term ‘G.W. Bush-The-Lesser‘ for years. I want royalties!!! (Grin)
    I’ve also used this gem, ‘Dumbo Dubbya’.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  341. Mike P made special & constructive request: “Hi Chuck … please consider dropping the … idiosyncratic punctuation … it … makes your … comments … hard on the eyes… Cheers.”
    Scranton Greetings Mike P!
    Am likely your elder and had different childhood socialization, perhaps having caused my malady, “Idiosyncratic Punctuation Syndrome.”
    Will explain my condition, below.
    … As a tyke, mother read me a Little Red Riding Hood fable, including the part when she edged close into granny’s bedroom & unknowingly saw the Big Bad Wolf beneath blanket, Little Red Riding Hood whispered, “Oh Grandmother, what big eyes you have.”
    … Perhaps like the wolves Professor Ford met at high school parties decades ago, the wolf sweetly replied, “Uh, the better to see you with, my dear!’
    … So starting now, Mike P, I shall kick the “…” habit.
    Good day and go under the Mercy “eyes.”

    • LOL: Mike P
  342. @Yebatz Yevo

    “Trump came into office believing he could change things.”

    Or so you and many, many others claim. But that’s just a bare assertion and one which doesn’t stand up to the slightest logical scrutiny.

    He “believed” he could achieve peace through diplomacy (to paraphrase his highfalutin campaign rhetoric) yet before even being inaugurated he announced the appointment of overzealous PNAC Zionist warmonger and Russophobe Nikki Haley as UN ambassador. A deranged woman whose very first official act was an attempt to sabotage better relations with Russia, yet she wasn’t even reprimanded for it let alone fired. So your assertion is proven wrong right there.

    “He can’t because the underlying deep state lobbies are just too powerful…”

    Why didn’t the irresistible “deep state lobbies” force Obama to escalate in Afghanistan? Why didn’t the irresistible “deep state lobbies” force Obama to move the embassy to Jerusalem? Why did the irresistible “deep state lobbies” fail to stop Obama from entering into the JCPOA agreement with Iran? Why didn’t the irresistible “deep state lobbies” force Obama to seize the Russian consulate in San Francisco and insultingly give the diplomatic staff only two days to vacate the property, like Trump did? You can’t explain why, thus your assertion is again proven wrong by a preponderance of evidence.

    Finally why doesn’t Trump – ostensibly a courageous man with good intentions – appeal to the people? Or why doesn’t he put the “deep state” on the defensive by demanding an investigation into 9/11? Failing that, why doesn’t he demand an investigation into the downing of TWA Flight 800? Failing that, why doesn’t he demand an investigation into the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting hoax? Failing that, why doesn’t he demand an investigation into the Boston Marathon bombing hoax? Failing that, why doesn’t Trump merely *threaten* to investigate any of these things (in the same spirit that he routinely threatens Iran, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela for example)? The “deep state” has a lot of potential vulnerabilities that might be exploited yet Trump refuses to even consider it. Failing all of this, why doesn’t he simply resign? No person who held in good faith the beliefs implied by Trump’s campaign rhetoric would allow himself to become such an instrument of the “deep state,” thus your assertion is proven wrong yet again.

    “…but at least we don’t have Clinton in the WH because she certainly would have escalated the situation in the ME.”

    LOL! You contradict yourself. If the “deep state lobbies” have the irresistible power that you imply, then why would it matter who sits in the White House?

  343. @Cloak And Dagger

    From what I observe, this will be short-lived. There are signs that the Shia and the Sunni (the govt. of KSA notwithstanding) are actually starting to converge against the common foe.

    The Sunni dream of One Caliphate to rule them all is thrown under the bus by ISIS, which suits the individual rulers. The Caliphs was corrupt and ruthless. They spread Islam with swords for Mammon, and behind each there was a Jewish Adviser, who have converted to Islam and they had their own Evil Agenda. The Quran says, those who are closest to Muslims are those who call themselves Christians, and their Priests are not arrogant. Basically, from git-go these Caliphs put a wedge between Muslims and Christians.

    These Caliphs changed the religion too, but luckily the true and correct Islam was preserved by Shia and for this reason they were persecuted too. From git-go the Shia were against the corrupt Caliphate. Now, the Sunni Ulemas (Scholars) are slowly, slowly changing the hearts and minds of Sunni, toward the correct and true history. The process is very slow, as they have to change the 1500 years of history, so the adherents shouldn’t rise against them. The internet is very helpful.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  344. @Jeffery Cohen

    Another change is coming to Muslims, is that Christians are their brothers in faith. And, the good Jews too! Gone are the dark days of rivalries. Muslims are going back to treat them properly as “Family of Book” as per the Quran.

  345. @Harold Smith

    There is some validity here, but I think you seriously overstate the peaceable status of Obama’s nuclear “agreement” with Iran. It gave the US, as Israel’s attack dog, veto power over the nuclear program of a sovereign state that has never threatened America. True that the evil Likudniks like the neocons and AIPAC howled over the avoidance of war, but liberal Zionists and the more sensible elements of the American oligarchy fully supported it. It embodied the central premise of the Zionists: that Israel should maintain supremacy in the ME, with the US doing it’s bidding. Trump’s decision to exit the deal was not the best thing he could have done, but only blind Obama partisans can fail to see the imperialistic essence of the agreement.

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Iris
  346. Poli says:

    Read the old testament to understand who Israel really is, a steaf neck people who enjoy going to war to kill and kill. They got brought up from Egypte to kill all the people of Canaan and today they still think, they have that divine right to kill whom ever in the middle east.
    I love Israel as a christian but I hate the zionistes who lead Israel.

  347. @Harold Smith

    I live in east Ukraine and through the circumstances created by the events of Maidan and the subsequent events of where I live, I researched everything to find the truth behind the uprising. The USA is fully responsible for the deaths of thousands of people and the further displacement of another million into Russia while Obama was in office. I could mention a multitude of humanitarian disasters directly attributable to the Bush and Obama administrations of which Clinton, McCain, Nuland and many other notables were also fully engaged. I am sure you already know the circumstances but have dismissed them with your shallow reasoning. Obama and Clinton are part of the deep state. If you weren’t so immersed in your dislike of Trump you might come to understand this. Trump is not the answer to the USA’s problems but he is a reset, an opportunity for the country to get back on track, at least he was when elected. He failed miserably when placing Haley in the UN and his more recent appointments such as John Bolton show direct influence of the deep state. It seems to me that the US is destined for a major collapse, the deep state knows it and Trump is too pig headed to see it.

  348. @Beefcake the Mighty

    “There is some validity here, but I think you seriously overstate the peaceable status of Obama’s nuclear “agreement” with Iran. It gave the US, as Israel’s attack dog, veto power over the nuclear program of a sovereign state that has never threatened America.”

    Well of course it’s “imperialistic”; but that’s beside the point. I didn’t make any value judgement regarding the “peaceable status of Obama’s nuclear ‘agreement’ with Iran.” I mentioned it because the Iranians – and all the major powers who were parties to it – were disappointed when the man of peace through diplomacy repudiated it.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  349. @Harold Smith

    No, you actually used it as a means to dismiss the notion that Trump is being hamstrung by the Deep State, since (in your eyes) Obama’s ability to get the deal through refutes the idea of powerful intelligence organs working behind the scenes. In fact it affirms such a thing, because it was simply a different flavor. Trees and forest, remember.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  350. @Yebatz Yevo

    “I live in east Ukraine and through the circumstances created by the events of Maidan and the subsequent events of where I live, I researched everything to find the truth behind the uprising. The USA is fully responsible for the deaths of thousands of people and the further displacement of another million into Russia while Obama was in office.”

    You had to do extensive “research” to discover the obvious? Of course the U.S. “government” was responsible. And I didn’t mean to imply that Obama was a nice person; of course he’s a mass murderer, just like his predecessors. But now, rather than give peace a chance and improve relations with Russia as per his campaign rhetoric and election mandate, Trump is arming the illegitimate government in Ukraine with Javelin anti-tank missiles, for example; something Obama would not do. (Why didn’t the “deep state” force Obama to arm the illegitimate Ukraine government with these weapons)?

    “I could mention a multitude of humanitarian disasters directly attributable to the Bush and Obama administrations of which Clinton, McCain, Nuland and many other notables were also fully engaged. I am sure you already know the circumstances but have dismissed them with your shallow reasoning. ”

    LOL! My “shallow reasoning”? I think not. And I didn’t “dismiss anything”; I just don’t think I need to write a history book to refute your bare assertion.

    “If you weren’t so immersed in your dislike of Trump you might come to understand this.”

    You live in Ukraine (or claim that you do), yet you feel you have standing to lecture me about Trump? Seriously?

    “Trump is not the answer to the USA’s problems but he is a reset, an opportunity for the country to get back on track, at least he was when elected.”

    Nonsense. Trump was elected to take the country off the path to WW3 with Russia and/or China. Period. The end. He betrayed his supporters and he betrayed the constitution. And as I’ve pointed out, he’s qualitatively worse than Obama in many ways, and it’s clear that he never had any intention of living up to his campaign rhetoric.

  351. @Yebatz Yevo

    Ukrainian, Yebatz Yevo pondered America’s political malady, wrote: “It seems to me that the US is destined for a major collapse, the deep state knows it and Trump is too pig headed to see it.”

    Greetings from Scranton, Pa, Yebatz!

    Fyi, the “deep state” prohibits tangible separation of itself and the office of a ZUS president, Commander-in-Chief.

    Here, candidates get a political choice to become either deep state or shallow state!

    If PreZident Trump wants to be “pig headed” about let’s say for an example, the taxpayer cost for building a southern border wall, that’s cool…, okay with the “deep state.”

    But if Trump happens to get “pig headed” & wants to reduce billions of ZUS dollar-donations for the defense of Israel, he soon finds out how shallow an Executive Branch-servant of the “deep state” can get.

    Selah, the “deep state” never collapses, but citizens do!

    Appreciate your comment, Mr. Yevo, & thank you!

    • Replies: @Yebatz Yevo
  352. @Beefcake the Mighty

    “No, you actually used it as a means to dismiss the notion that Trump is being hamstrung by the Deep State, since (in your eyes) Obama’s ability to get the deal through refutes the idea of powerful intelligence organs working behind the scenes. In fact it affirms such a thing, because it was simply a different flavor. Trees and forest, remember.”

    Seriously? Yes of course I used it as an example but this example has nothing to do with *MY OWN PERSONAL VALUE JUDGEMENT* regarding the “peaceable status” (as you put it) of the agreement. Every other party to the agreement including Iran was against what Trump did. And that’s why I used it as an example. If Iran has no problem with the agreement, and Iran wants the U.S. government to live up to it, who are you to question it?

  353. @Harold Smith

    My whole comment is obviously my opinion, so in that sense my use of Trump’s repudiation of the JCPOA agreement as an example to make my point is my value judgement, yes.

  354. @Harold Smith

    As I said, the decision to exit wasn’t the best thing Trump could have done. And doubtless he will try to pursue terms worse to Iran than Obama sought. Which of course is why the Iranians objected. But the original agreement was essentially bribing a semi-reasonable gangster to keep a psychotic one at bay. But still, as with Syria, the bombs haven’t fallen yet, so it is frankly pointless to speculate on how bad Trump could be here, as with NK he could surprise. And that’s the point: as Yebatz said (essentially), Trump is very far from perfect but he is a necessary first step and in many ways he is doing the best he can given the situation. Pretending otherwise is not helpful.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  355. Beefcake the Mighty wrote: “As I said, the decision to exit wasn’t the best thing Trump could have done.”

    Hey Beefcake!

    PreZident Trump exited the JCPOA because that is what the Deep State required him to do.

    Fyi, under PreZident Obama, the Deep State was willing to allow the JCPOA to proceed for a limited period of time.

    Thanks, Beefcake.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  356. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    PreZident Trump exited the JCPOA because that is what the Deep State required him to do.

    Hey, Chuck. Rather than ascribing these events to something as nebulous as the ‘deep state,’ it behooves us to name names when there is ample evidence for doing so:

    US President Donald Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal under pressure from the Zionists like Sheldon Adelson and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an American scholar says.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/15/574231/Sheldon-Adelson-pushed-Trump-to-pull-out-of-Iran-deal

    Trump Ignores Advisers on Iran Deal, Follows Pro-Israel Billionaire Adelson’s Money

    https://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/trump-ignores-advisers-iran-dea

    • Agree: Jeffery Cohen
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  357. @geokat62

    Wisely, geokat wrote: “Hey, Chuck. Rather than ascribing these events to something as nebulous as the ‘deep state,’ it behooves us to name names when there is ample evidence.”
    Hey geo!

    Am uncomfortable using the “nebulous” description, “deep state.” Thank you.

    My excuse: Many knowledgeable people popularly use “deep state” because the Deep State’s Central Command staff, is by design, unknown.

    Freaks like Sheldon Adelson are empowered for obvious reasons of great throwaway-wealth, but his brain power & looks could not even get him into an AIPAC-banquet, waiter position.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  358. Putin should do everything to destabilize Israel and Israel organizations around the world. They are anything but impregnable. The can be infiltrated like any other organizations and neutralized or damaged beyond recovery.

  359. FB says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    ,Did you actually read my comment here…

    And my follow up comment here, analyzing the new info presented…

    I am dealing here with physical reality…if you have a question about the technical issues presented then by all means ask a question and I will gladly elaborate…questions that have nothing to do with what I wrote are ignored…

  360. @Beefcake the Mighty

    “As I said, the decision to exit wasn’t the best thing Trump could have done.”

    It’s not worth arguing about. For all the difference it’ll make – which is none – I’ll agree that I shouldn’t have used it as an example and cede the point to you. But that changes nothing, as there are many lines of reasoning that prove by preponderance of evidence that Yebatz Yevo’s bare assertion is wrong.

    He said: “Trump came into office believing he could change things”; which implies that Trump was sincere during the campaign, right?

    Trump said: “We desire to live peacefully and in friendship with Russia and China. We have serious differences with these two nations, and must regard them with open eyes, but we are not bound to be adversaries. We should seek common ground based on shared interests.”

    So what does Trump do? Before even being inaugurated he picks PNAC Zionist warmonger and Russophobe Nikki Haley as UN ambassador. And for one of her first official acts – for which she was not reprimanded (let alone fired) – Haley demands that Russia give Crimea back to Ukraine; something she and Trump know that Russia cannot do.

    So the man who allegedly believed he could change things for the better with Russia starts off by appointing a boorish Russophobe as UN ambassador who immediately makes an impossible demand on Russia? Seriously?

    Yebatz Yevo’s bare assertion is proven wrong right there; not just wrong but absurd. Period. The end.

    “And that’s the point: as Yebatz said (essentially), Trump is very far from perfect but he is a necessary first step and in many ways he is doing the best he can given the situation.”

    Yebatz implied that Trump was sincere and I’ve proven that he was not. Obviously, Trump’s a liar and “deep state” puppet whose whole campaign was a calculated “bait and switch” fraud from the beginning. The credit for the fact that WW3 hasn’t started *yet* goes to Russia, whose restraint in the face of Trump’s provocations seems almost supernatural.

    “Pretending otherwise is not helpful.”

    ROTFL!

  361. @ChuckOrloski

    And I appreciate your insight Mr Orloski. I am not a Ukrainian but I do live in the country. What you have written is exactly how I think of it all.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  362. @ChuckOrloski

    Freaks like Sheldon Adelson are empowered for obvious reasons of great throwaway-wealth, but his brain power & looks could not even get him into an AIPAC-banquet, waiter position.

    LOL!

    And, this wealth is accumulated through unethical means too…..

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  363. jasmin says:

    Yes, Putin might be somewhat conciliatory but he is no fool. He is definitely not Lyndon Johnson who called back the support planes sent out to rescue the USS Liberty. One more such event will trigger a wider war and possibly WW III. It will be a Zionist trifecta– the Third time the Zionists pushed America into a World War.

  364. @Yebatz Yevo

    Yebatz Yevo shared: “What you have written is exactly how I think of it all.”

    Greetings from Scranton, Pa, Mr. Yevo!
    Full disclosure; my evolving thought on the “nebulous” concept of the Deep State was assisted by watching freak Arnon Milchan’s TV program, “The X-Files.”

    So, with good intention, fyr, below I link a need-to-know Veterans Today article, * written by Dr. Preston James.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/29/if-id-only-known-then-what-i-know-now

    As a “eyes wide open” part-time school bus driver, an old codger, I conclude (political) REALITY can be way more frightening than any display presented by either TV shows or film screen plays.
    As indispensable U.R. commenter, geokat, is more objective than me, I hope he also reads Preston James’s account!
    Thanks, Mr.Yevo!
    * Caution: Veterans Today editor, Gordon Duff, is much maligned, perhaps at times deservingly. Such undesirable situation makes encounters with reality even more frightening & interesting.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  365. Hope it pays well G. So what who cares, I don’t.

    I am far more concerned with Jews, starting with Google destroying freedom of speech and corrupting our political culture.

    You yelp is just a false flagger.

  366. Iris says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    ” Trump’s decision to exit the deal was not the best thing he could have done, but only blind Obama partisans can fail to see the imperialistic essence of the agreement.”

    This is very correct.
    Best informed Middle-Eastern observers based in the region have the same interpretation.
    The nuclear deal was made by Obama at the tacit condition that Iran will stop supporting the Syrian government in its war for the unity of the country, and hence align with Israel’s agenda.

    The Iranians took the bait but did not change their Syrian policy, so the nuclear deal had to be repealed as a punishment. President Trump is taking the blame for a decision made long before his tenure.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @anon
    , @Sean
  367. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I hope he also reads Preston James’s account!

    Hey, Chuck. Not sure I agree with all of the things that were asserted in this article, but I have no hesitation embracing his concluding sentence:

    It is this new emergent populism and the end of secrecy which will take down the evil king and his agents, one by one, all in due time and show the King to actually be naked and evil beyond imagination.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  368. @geokat62

    On the Docs concluding sentence, amen, Brother geo!

    Fyi, am often thinking about CIA and FBI agents of conscience who experienced very bad shit, including disappearance of people who saw/knew too much.

    The departed Vince Foster and death of Journalist Michael Hastings and, uh, the name Seth Rich come to mind.

    Good tidings & go with the Mercy, geo!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  369. @Iris

    “The nuclear deal was made by Obama at the tacit condition that Iran will stop supporting the Syrian government in its war for the unity of the country, and hence align with Israel’s agenda.”

    None of this seems to have much if any relevance to the point I raised in my discussion with Yebatz Yevo, but being that you brought the subject up: First, do you have any evidence to support this claim? Second, what exactly do you mean by “tacit condition” vis-a-vis Iran; do you mean to say that the Iranians understood that they were expected to abandon Syria (and impliedly, Hezbollah)?

    “The Iranians took the bait but did not change their Syrian policy, so the nuclear deal had to be repealed as a punishment. President Trump is taking the blame for a decision made long before his tenure.”

    This doesn’t make sense to me. First of all, IIRC, Trump was badmouthing the JCPOA agreement shortly after it was adopted and perhaps before it was adopted; i.e., before the Iranians could’ve made any change to their Syria/Hezbollah policies even if they wanted to, right? So you’re implying that Obama made the deal with Iran in open defiance of the “deep state”?

    • Replies: @alexander
  370. FB says:
    @Vojkan

    Right…a useless sphincter trying to puff himself up while hiding behind a keyboard…you’re no use to anyone…either on this forum or your pitiful everyday life…you want to argue about science, but you don’t know even basics…not only that but you are unwilling to learn…I remember you making stupid noises about inertial nav systems being only ‘approximate’…

    What a useless fucking clown…after I provided a thorough explanation of how these very important systems work…(they are the sole guidance system on ICBMs and provide very high accuracy…100 meters for a 10,000 km flight)…your reaction was a hissy fit…some ‘renaissance man’ you are…

  371. Re: P.G.’s October Surprise & Road to World War III:
    Suppose Jewish Corporate Media-word is passed about ZUS’s Basra Embassy evacuation due to Iran’s threat?

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  372. Unfortunately this plane is not Syrian but Russian personnel and in Iran it is Iranian military too much too much

  373. alexander says:
    @Harold Smith

    Hi Harold,

    I agree with you.

    When I look back on the tenure of the Obama administration…I see the JCPOA functioning almost as a CONSOLATION PRIZE in lieu of Obama’s tragic failure to cross the finish line with a “two state solution” in hand.

    Think about it.

    Obama, right out of the gate, first term, was pushing hard for Israel to abandon it’s settlement enterprise and make peace with the Palestinians within the parameters of the international community’s resolution framework.

    This was official US policy and had always been official US policy , both sides of the aisle, since the inception of the conflict.

    It may well be that his administration was in the process (along with the ” P five plus one”), on formalizing an “enforceable” and “final “resolution mechanism to be approved in the Security Council …when , almost out of nowhere , the volume on the IRAN NUKE THREAT narrative went through THE ROOF.

    It was so loud, in fact, the entire “peace process ” was dropped like a rancid potato.

    The challenge of “containing” the Iranian “nuclear threat” suddenly took center stage and remained there throughout his second term..

    Whatever hope there was for a two state solution quietly dissolved into the background hum.

    In the end , Obama was left with the lesser of two achievements.

    Instead of CREATING PEACE by (finally ) forging a Two State Solution….

    He was gifted with PREVENTING WAR …..by negotiating the JCPOA.

  374. Ahoy says:

    The ultimate goal of Soros and his army of saboteurs is to convert America to a third world country and throw it to the wind. The Rabis have ordered to enslave the goyim. The centuries old war against the goyim is going on under the guise of capitalism, communism, human rights, democracy, feminism, all designed to keep the goyim at bay and deny them the power to think.

    Henry Ford tried to tell them something, it was blowing against the wind. Tennessee Ernie Ford put it in song form but Elvis had more power. By the time the American was taken over by rap he was placed to long term sleep.

    Two things happen recently out of the established norm. The director of the N.Y. Symphony was given a sabbatical and Weinstein was kicked out of Hollywood. Does it mean anything? You judge.

    Here is Henry

  375. @ChuckOrloski

    Suppose Jewish Corporate Media-word is passed about ZUS’s Basra Embassy evacuation due to Iran’s threat?

    Brother Chuck, I guess you mean the ZUS’s Consulate in Basra.

    Earlier on September 7, the Iranian Consulate in Basra was burned down:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/07/protesters-set-fire-to-iranian-consulate-in-basra

    Today, on CNN Fared Zakaria, the Iranian Foreign Minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif was explaining the both situations.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  376. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Fyi, am often thinking about CIA and FBI agents…

    Hey, Chuck.

    I, too, am often thinking about CIA and FBI agents. Especially, as it relates to their involvement in the Mueller investigation. It has been ongoing for a year and a half and has cost the taxpayer nearly $20 million, all, purportedly, in an effort to hold accountable foreigners trying to interfere in US politics:

    Special Counsel investigation (2017–present):

    A January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored presidential candidate Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and that Russian president Vladimir Putinpersonally ordered an “influence campaign” to harm Clinton’s electoral chances and “undermine public faith in the US democratic process.” It is alleged that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election in order to increase political instability in the United States and to damage Clinton’s presidential campaign by bolstering the candidacies of Trump, Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present)

    Through the Mueller Investigation, the Deep State is sending a stern warning that the US has zero tolerance for foreign interference in US politics and should anyone have the temerity to do so, the consequences will be severe.

    Now, in other news:

    Excerpts from, Now Biggest Donor in all of US Politics, Sheldon Adelson Brings an Israel First Agenda to Washington:
    Adelson’s massive expenditures in federal elections this cycle are being made because he believes that Republican control of the House and the Senate is vital to maintaining right-wing and pro-Zionist policies and his influence in Washington and at the White House.

    Beyond the fact that Adelson’s unprecedented influence on U.S. politics is set to create much more instability than past policies he has promoted, lies another unsettling truth: for less than $150 million — pocket change for such a plutocrat — Adelson has effectively bought the presidency and Congress. His role as top political donor has given him a “direct line” to the president and unprecedented access to the Republican party, who are beholden to his desires and whims as their paymaster…

    Americans, meet your new, unelected overlord — Sheldon Adelson — because, as long as the U.S. political system is “hostage to his fortune,” he’s not going anywhere.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/now-biggest-donor-in-all-of-us-politics-sheldon-adelson-brings-an-israel-first-agenda-to-washington/249996/

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  377. @geokat62

    geokat conveyed: “… the Deep State is sending a stern warning that the US has zero tolerance for foreign interference in US politics…”

    Good evening, geo!

    Regarding your words above, I am fairly convinced that, beyond matters of secondary importance to its goals, the (nebulous) Deep State has zero tolerance for even domestic, “Homeland,” interference in ZUSA politics.

    For an extreme example, instead of reasonably affordable health care plans for ‘Merkins, citizen-consumers are poised to get PreZident Trump’s military Space Command.

    Doubtless, geo, the Deep State benefits by Sheldon Adelson’s wealth & diabolical generosity, but on 9/11 Eve when offensive Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld curiously complained about missing $ trillions, it appears to me that “overlord” Adelson’s incredible donations to furtherance of Israeli war crimes are bonuses.

    Thanks…, so Howard Sternly deep, so Israel First interesting, eh?

  378. @Yebatz Yevo

    Looking fondly back at comment # 357, Mr. Yevo wrote: It seems to me that the US is destined for a major collapse,”

    Greetings again, Mr. Yevo!

    Above quote, agreed; ZUSA’s economic “collapse” is high upon the Things-to-do-list.

    Fyr, below is a worthy article to consider while a great majority of ‘Merkins believe the Zionist Perpetual Debt/Pleasure party shall never end. Thanks a lot, Yebatz.

    https://fpif.org/theres-a-new-crash-coming/

    • Replies: @yurivku
  379. yurivku says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Just for you to know – “Yebatz Yevo” means “F*ck Him” in that succession. I don’t know who he’s going to f**k, but when living in such a place as Eastern Uki I probaly will be ready to do it to everybody.
    Especially from the democratic West.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  380. @yurivku

    Greetings yurivku.

    Yebatz Yevo, a very cool screen name, “Fuck him,” translation into the Queen’s language. Thank you.

    Returning to “Fuck him’s” penetrating prediction of imminent ZUS economic collapse, article below, I will show you admirable legal action & punishment which should have been administered to, for one example, Goldman Sachs Group executives in the aftermath of 2008′s abominable swindle, including a “too little to succeed” ‘Merkin taxpayer bailout.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/30/575659/Iran-economic-corruption-MohseniEjei-death-sentence

    Fyi, were it not for citizen’s input deficiency, a “democratic West” could be real. Thanks, yurivku! Uh, is your screen name translation “Yuri (Zhiv)ago coup?”

    • Replies: @yurivku
  381. yurivku says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    ThisNo , I’m just Yuri, other letters just part of mid and last name
    As for the West it was always a place where ignorant and belligerent people were majority. Especially when to talk of Russia.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  382. @yurivku

    Hey yurivku!

    Not a bible-thumper, and fyi, Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote the West is doomed due to the elite & common man’s rejection of a national government-code that’s based upon universal Gospel calling.

    Belligerent & insouciant Western citizens
    deservingly get “leaders” who desire punishing Russia into international Jewry submission, up to the brink of World War III.

    Naz drowie.

  383. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Jews, liberals and feminists really are enemies Corvinus. Of course ‘liberal’ and perhaps even ‘feminist’ are terms which have been hijacked and altered by Jews. The liberalism of today is not what it once was. You pretend Jews, liberals and feminists are working for the betterment of America. They are feverishly working for it’s total destruction. They will tell you this themselves in their candid moments.

    The armchair/keyboard warriors will hopefully be successful when the time comes. Your only gambit now is an attempt to mock them. Time will tell if your mockery is warranted. I hope those silly little buffoons with their guns can come together and succeed when they must. The alternative is not something to look forward to for anyone.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  384. peterAUS says:
    @Anonymous

    The armchair/keyboard warriors will hopefully be successful when the time comes.

    In U.S.?
    Doesn’t seem likely.

    In Western Europe…..up to including Austria, hard to say. Most likely not.

    Somewhere from Finland, through Hungary, to and including Greece, probably.

    ….those silly little buffoons with their guns can come together and succeed when they must.

    Well.. the same criteria as above.

    Actually…majority of those really likely to make the move don’t even own/have guns. They’d need, say…….between 2 to 12 hours to get them. Not more than 24. Proper hardware, that is.

  385. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    The idea “tacit condition that Iran will stop supporting the Syrian government in its war for the unity of the country, and hence align with Israel’s agenda.”
    is a J eiwsh figment of mind that has as usual trickled down to media .

    We have heard 911 was caused by Iraq by Iran and even by Syrian Palestine Lebanese terrorist by US media and we have seen Iran being indicted for 911.

    We have heard that Iran was the motive of Israel behind attack on Lebanon, on Syria and behind GAZA war.

    Who gives a fuck to these liars and their henchmen stenographer who will jot it down for readers to view next day or audience to hear instantaneously ?

    Jews think of all possibilities like a man will think about an animal in revolt against his behavior Then chooses whatever suits the Jews needs at that moment but only to change it again for the next occasion.

  386. Sean says:
    @Iris

    That is why Obama did not go straight ahead with ordering an airstrike on Assad, and went to ask Congress, which resulted in it not happening. Syria is of little significance to the US.

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