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One month ago, I initiated here at Unz.com a discussion of the role of American Jews in the crafting of United States foreign policy. I observed that a politically powerful and well-funded cabal consisting of both Jewish individuals and organizations has been effective at engaging the U.S. in a series of wars in the Middle East and North Africa that benefit only Israel and are, in fact, damaging to actual American interests. This misdirection of policy has not taken place because of some misguided belief that Israeli and U.S. national security interests are identical, which is a canard that is frequently floated in the mainstream media. It is instead a deliberate program that studiously misrepresents facts-on-the ground relating to Israel and its neighbors and creates casus belli involving the United States even when no threat to American vital interests exists. It punishes critics by damaging both their careers and reputations while its cynical manipulation of the media and gross corruption of the national political process has already produced the disastrous war against Iraq, the destruction of Libya and the ongoing chaos in Syria. It now threatens to initiate a catastrophic war with Iran.

To be sure, my observations are neither new nor unique. Former Congressmen Paul Findley indicted the careful crafting of a pro-Israel narrative by American Jews in his seminal book They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel’s Lobby, written in 1989. Professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s groundbreaking book The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy said much the same thing nine years ago and discussions of Jewish power do emerge occasionally, even in the mainstream media. In the Jewish media Jewish power is openly discussed and is generally applauded as a well-deserved reward bestowed both by God and by mankind due to the significant accomplishments attributed to Jews throughout history.

There is undeniably a complicated web of relationships and networks that define Israel’s friends. The expression “Israel Lobby” itself has considerable currency, so much so that the expression “The Lobby” is widely used and understood to represent the most powerful foreign policy advocacy group in Washington without needing to include the “Israel” part. That the monstrous Benjamin Netanyahu receives 26 standing ovations from Congress and a wealthy Israel has a guaranteed income from the U.S. Treasury derives directly from the power and money of an easily identifiable cluster of groups and oligarchs – Paul Singer, Sheldon Adelson, Bernard Marcus, Haim Saban – who in turn fund a plethora of foundations and institutes whose principal function is to keep the cash and political support flowing in Israel’s direction. No American national interest, apart from the completely phony contention that Israel is some kind of valuable ally, would justify the taxpayers’ largesse. In reality, Israel is a liability to the United States and always has been.

And I do understand at the same time that a clear majority of American Jews, leaning strongly towards the liberal side of the political spectrum, are supportive of the nuclear agreement with Iran and do not favor a new Middle Eastern war involving that country. I also believe that many American Jews are likely appalled by Israeli behavior, but, unfortunately, there is a tendency on their part to look the other way and neither protest such actions nor support groups like Jewish Voice for Peace that are themselves openly critical of Israel. This de facto gives Israel a free pass and validates its assertion that it represents all Jews since no one important in the diaspora community apart from minority groups which can safely be ignored is pushing back against that claim.

That many groups and well-positioned individuals work hand-in-hand with the Israeli government to advance Israeli interests should not be in dispute after all these years of watching it in action. Several high level Jewish officials, including Richard Perle, associated with the George W. Bush Pentagon, had questionable relationships with Israeli Embassy officials and were only able to receive security clearances after political pressure was applied to “godfather” approvals for them. Former Congressman Tom Lantos and Senator Frank Lautenberg were, respectively, referred to as Israel’s Congressman and Senator, while current Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer has described himself as Israel’s “shomer” or guardian in the U.S. Senate.

A recent regulatory decision from the United Kingdom relates to a bit of investigative journalism that sought to reveal precisely how the promotion of Israel by some local diaspora Jews operates, to include how critics are targeted and criticized as well as what is done to destroy their careers and reputations.

Last year, al-Jazeera Media Network used an undercover reporter to infiltrate some U.K. pro-Israel groups that were working closely with the Israeli Embassy to counter criticisms coming from British citizens regarding the treatment of the Palestinians. In particular, the Embassy and its friends were seeking to counter the growing Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS), which has become increasingly effective in Europe. The four-part documentary released late in 2016 that al-Jazeera produced is well worth watching as it consists mostly of secretly filmed meetings and discussions.

The documentary reveals that local Jewish groups, particularly at universities and within the political parties, do indeed work closely with the Israeli Embassy to promote policies supported by the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. It also confirms that tagging someone as an anti-Semite has become the principal offensive weapon used to stifle any discussion, particularly in a country like Britain which embraces concepts like the criminalization of “hate speech.” At one point, two British Jews discussed whether “being made to feel uncomfortable” by people asking what Israel intends to do with the Palestinians is anti-Semitic. They agreed that it might be.

The documentary also describes how the Embassy and local groups working together targeted government officials who were not considered to be friendly to Israel to “be taken down,” removed from office or otherwise discredited. One government official in particular who was to be attacked was Foreign Office Minister Sir Alan Duncan.

Britain, unlike the U.S., has a powerful regulatory agency that oversees communications, to include the media. It is referred to as Ofcom. When the al-Jazeera documentary was broadcast, Israeli Embassy political officer Shai Masot, who reportedly was a Ministry of Strategic Affairs official working under cover, was forced to resign and the Israeli Ambassador offered an apology. Masot was filmed discussing British politicians who might be “taken down” before speaking with a government official who plotted a “a little scandal” to bring about the downfall of Duncan. Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, who is the first head of a political party in Britain to express pro-Palestinian views, had called for an investigation of Masot after the recording of the “take down” demand relating to Duncan was revealed. Several Jewish groups (the Jewish Labour Movement, the Union of Jewish Students and We Believe in Israel) then counterattacked with a complaint that the documentary had violated British broadcast regulations, including the specific charge that the undercover investigation was anti-Semitic in nature.

On October 9th, Ofcom ruled in favor of al-Jazeera, stating that its investigation had done nothing improper, but it should be noted that the media outlet had to jump through numerous hoops to arrive at the successful conclusion. It had to turn over all its raw footage and communications to the investigators, undergoing what one source described as an “editorial colonoscopy,” to prove that its documentary was “factually accurate” and that it had not “unfairly edited” or “with bias” prepared its story. One of plaintiffs, who had called for critics of Israel to “die in a hole” and had personally offered to “take down” a Labour Party official, responded bitterly. She said that the Ofcom judgment would serve as a “precedent for the infringement of privacy of any Jewish person involved in public life.”

The United States does not yet have a government agency to regulate news stories, though that may be coming, but the British tale has an interesting post script. Al-Jazeera also had a second undercover reporter inserted in the Israel Lobby in the United States, apparently a British intern named James Anthony Kleinfeld, who had volunteered his services to The Israel Project, which is involved in promoting Israel’s global image. He also had contact with at least ten other Jewish organizations and with officials at the Israeli Embassy,

Now that the British account of “The Lobby” has cleared a regulatory hurdle the American version will reportedly soon be released. Al-Jazeera’s head of investigative reporting Clayton Swisher commented “With this U.K. verdict and vindication past us, we can soon reveal how the Israel lobby in America works through the eyes of an undercover reporter. I hear the U.S. is having problems with foreign interference these days, so I see no reason why the U.S. establishment won’t take our findings in America as seriously as the British did, unless of course Israel is somehow off limits from that debate.”

Americans who follow such matters already know that groups like the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) swarm over Capitol Hill and have accomplices in nearly every media outlet. Back in 2005-6 AIPAC Officials Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman were actually tried under the Espionage Act of 1918 in a case involving obtaining classified intelligence from government official Lawrence Franklin to pass on to the Israeli Embassy. Rosen had once boasted that, representing AIPAC and Israel, he could get the signatures of 70 senators on a napkin agreeing to anything if he sought to do so. The charges against the two men were, unfortunately, eventually dropped “because court rulings had made the case unwinnable and the trial would disclose classified information.”

And Israeli interference in U.S. government and elections is also a given. Endorsement of Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election by the Netanyahu government was more-or-less carried out in the open. And ask Congressmen like Paul Findley, Pete McCloskey, William Fulbright, Charles Percy and, most recently, Cynthia McKinney, what happens to your career when you appear to be critical of Israel. And the point is that while Israel calls the shots in terms of what it wants, it is a cabal of diaspora American Jews who actually pull the trigger. With that in mind, it will be very interesting to watch the al-Jazeera documentary on The Lobby in America.

 
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  1. Rurik says:

    Philip Giraldi is a rare American treasure.

    A voice of integrity and character in a sea of moral cowardice and corruption.

    If there is any hope for this nation, it will be due specifically to the integrity of men like Mr. Giraldi to keep speaking truth to power.

  2. One is unable to open the documentary – all 4 parts – on YouTube suggesting that google/YouTube are censoring it and have caved into the Jewish Lobby

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  3. Malla says:

    When the Jewish Messiah comes, all of us goyim (Black, White, Yellow, brown or Red) will be living like today’s Palestinians. Our slave descendant will be scurrying around in their ghettos afraid of the Greater Israeli Army military andriod drones in the sky.

    But if I was a Westerner, I would support Israel any day. Because if the Israeli state were to be ever dismantled, all of them Israelis would go to the West. Why would you want that?

  4. Wally says: • Website

    Thank you, Philip Giraldi.

    The only reason the average American is silenced about parasitical Zionists / Israel is because they’ve had their head filled with absurd, fictitious, & impossible “Holocau$t” propaganda, “Judeo-Christian values”, and Jews being a uniquely righteous, exceptional, and persecuted people.

    The tide is turning.

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    • Replies: @Dekp
  5. Frankie P says:
    @Rurik

    He has been set free by the truth, proving the old maxim.

  6. wayfarer says:

    Understand a Spoiled Child, and You Will Understand Israel.
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiled_child

    Discipline the Spoiled Child, and Boycott Israel.
    source: https://bdsmovement.net/

    Israel Anti-Boycott Act – An Attack on Free Speech?

    • Replies: @Anon
  7. Dan Hayes says:

    Philip,

    My admittedly subjective impression is that your UR reports are becoming more open/unbounded after your release from the constraints of the American Conservative. In other word, you’re now being enabled to let it all hang out. In my book that’s all to the good.

    Of course your work and those of the other UR writers are enabled by the beneficence of its patron, Ron!

  8. There may be limits to their power in Britain. Jeremy Corbyn is hated by them, and stories are regularly run in the MSM, in Britain and also (of course!) in the New York Times claiming that under Corbyn Labour is a haven of anti-Semitism. Corbyn actually gained millions of votes in the last election. Perhaps they will nail him somewhere down the road but they have failed so far.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Anon
  9. JackOH says:

    ” . . . [W]ars in the Middle East and North Africa that benefit only Israel and are, in fact, damaging to actual American interests (emphases mine).

    That’s the money shot, Phil. I’m okay with Jews, okay with the existence of Israel, all that, but I think we were massively had by Iraq II. When Valerie Plame spoke in my area, she talked disgustedly about a plan to establish American military power throughout the Middle East. She used the euphemism “neocons” for the plan’s authors, and seemed about to burst with anger. I looked up the plan, but don’t recall the catch phrase for it.

    I recall the basic idea was for the U. S. to do Israel’s dirty work at U. S. expense and without a U. S. benefit, and I think there was the usual “God talk” cover in it about “democratization”, “development”, blah-blah.

  10. All these things are known for a long time for those interested.
    The problem is how to end it.
    I do not see how, in a democracy.

  11. 22pp22 says:

    A journalist with a drop of courage. Wow. I thought they were extinct. Is Giraldi the only one?

  12. If you think the Zionist drain on American blood and treasure is bad, wait till you find out what their liberal counterparts are up to.

  13. I remain skeptical that the Al-Jazeera undercover story in the US will be able to be viewed. I anticipate a hoard of Israel-firster congress critters to crawl out from under their respective rocks and deem Al-Jazeera to be antisemitic and call for it being banned as a foreign propaganda apparatus, much as is being done with RT and Sputnik.

    I fear that we are long past the point of being redeemed as a nation. We can only watch with sorrow as this great nation crumbles under the might of Jewish power – impotent in our ability to arrest its fall.

  14. ask Congressmen like Paul Findley, Pete McCloskey, William Fulbright, Charles Percy

    I’d also add Adlai E. Stevenson III and John Glenn. Stevenson was crucial in getting compensation — paltry sum though it was– payed to “Liberty” families for their loss. The Israelis had been holding out. Something for which the Il Senator was never forgiven (especially by The Lobby).

    Netanyahu should not have been allowed to address the joint session. No foreign leader should be speaking in opposition to any sitting President (in this case Obama). It only showed the power of “The Lobby.” Netanyahu who knew that Iran didn’t have the weapons the Bush Adm. had claimed, was treated like a trusted ally. He shouldn’t have been.

  15. geokat62 says:

    Phil, this is exactly “the retraction” I was expecting from you.

    100% pure gold.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  16. Kevin says:

    And the point is that while Israel calls the shots in terms of what it wants, it is a cabal of diaspora American Jews who actually pull the trigger. With that in mind, it will be very interesting to watch the al-Jazeera documentary on The Lobby in America.

    Maybe, instead of Russia-Gate, we have is Israel-Gate. This time Netanyahu discreetly interfering in US Presidential Election…..

    Chilling thought though!

  17. Tyrion says:

    And Israeli interference in U.S. government and elections is also a given. Endorsement of Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election by the Netanyahu government was more-or-less carried out in the open.

    London’s Mayor, Sadiq Khan, actually went to America to campaign for Hillary. Numerous European leaders endorsed her, while practically all denounced Trump. Exactly the same can be said of the Muslim world, only more so.

    The problem with criticism of Israel is not that it lacks basis in truth. It is that it is removed from the context of the rest of the world. Israel’s actions do not make Israel an outlier. Israel fits very much within the norm. Even with the recording this is the case.

    All embassies try to further their national interest through political machinations and all people in politics tend to use hyperbolic language to describe what they are doing. I don’t know if your shock is just for show or you are just a bit dim. The same applies to Buzzfeed’s ‘expose’ of Bannon and the gasps the article let out at his use of terms like #War.

    Unfortunately, contemporary idiots of all stripes seem to specialise in removing context so that they can further their specious arguments.

    • Replies: @anon
  18. Erika says:

    Great comment Rurik. Sadly, however, Phil’s commentary will never make the MSM that is controlled by the same tribe.

  19. Randal says:

    “so I see no reason why the U.S. establishment won’t take our findings in America as seriously as the British did”

    Sadly, Clayton Swisher is probably correct that the US establishment will take their findings in America just as “seriously” as the British media and political establishment, and government, did. The British government attitude was that everything was fine because the Israeli government “apologised” and the “rogue individual” responsible was taken out of the country, and the British media mostly ignored the story after an initial brief scandal. Indeed the main substantive response was the Ofcom fishing expedition against Al Jazeera looking for ways to use the disclosure of these uncomfortable truths as a pretext for shutting that company’s operations down.

    But there’s no “undue influence” or bias involved, and if you say there might be then you are an anti-Semite and a hater.

    The supreme irony behind all this is that Trump has been prevented by his own personal and family/adviser bias from using the one certain way of removing all the laughably vague “Russian influence” nonsense that has been used against him so persistently. All he had to do was to, at every opportunity, tie criticism and investigation of Russian “influence” to criticism and investigation of Israel Lobby influence under the general rubric of “foreign influence”, and almost all of the high level backing for the charges would in due course have quietly evaporated.

  20. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    Philip Giraldi is a rare American treasure.

    Rare, indeed, Rurik.

    And in this rare company I would place former congressman, Ron Paul.

    Here’s an excerpt from his latest article, President Trump Beats War Drums for Iran:

    Let’s be clear here: President Trump did not just announce that he was “de-certifying” Iran’s compliance with the nuclear deal. He announced that Iran was from now on going to be in the bullseye of the US military. Will Americans allow themselves to be lied into another Middle East war?

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/october/16/president-trump-beats-war-drums-for-iran/

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Rurik
  21. This state of affairs, where the Zionist tail wags — thrashes — the US dog is bizarre to the point of laughter. Absent familiarity with the facts, who could believe it all? Is there a historical parallel ? I can’t think of one that approaches the sheer profundity of the toxic embrace the Zionists have cover the US & west generally.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  22. So how is using money we give them as foreign aid (it’s fungible by any definition of the US Treasury and Justice Department) to lobby our legislators not a form of money laundering? Somebody ought to tell Mnuchin to get FINCEN on this … yeah, I know, it sounded naive as I typed it. FINCEN is only there to harass little people like you and me.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Alden
  23. @Malla

    Abby Martin is amazingly sharp. Many of the things she says can be confirmed by Uri Avnery, both his books and articles.

    Here’s a link to his weekly columns.

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery

    Incredible stuff there; thanks for posting it.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Jack Daniels
  24. @Malla

    Our slave descendant will be scurrying around in their ghettos afraid of the Greater Israeli Army military andriod drones in the sky.

    According to the first vid, those drones will be built by the goyim.

    Maybe there’s a message there for us.

  25. @Cloak And Dagger

    I fear that we are long past the point of being redeemed as a nation. We can only watch with sorrow as this great nation crumbles …

    We are long past that point.

    I myself am watching with joy, because this supposedly “great nation” was corrupt to the core from its inception.

    For evidence, all one has to do is read the arguments of the anti-federalists who opposed the ratification of the constitution* such as Patrick Henry, Robert Yates and Luther Martin. Their predictions about the results have come true. Even the labels, “federalist” and “anti-federalist” are misleading and no doubt intentionally so.

    Those who spoke out against the formation of the federal reserve bank* scheme were also correct.

    The only thing great about the US in a moral sense are the high sounding pretenses upon which it was built. As a nation we have never adhered to them.

    *Please note that I intentionally refrain from capitalizing those words since I refuse to show even that much deference to those instruments of corruption.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
    , @schmenz
  26. Philip, glad to see you undaunted after the recent attacks on you. We can maybe take solace in the fact that their desire for MORE will finally pass a critical point, and dumbass Americans will finally wake up.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  27. “She said that the Ofcom judgment would serve as a “precedent for the infringement of privacy of any Jewish person involved in public life.”

    I have news for that twister of words.

    In my opinion, if you choose to put yourself in the limelight, you have no private life. That is especially true for those who think they’re entitled to a position of power.

    In other words, if you think you’re special, then you get judged by stricter standards than the rest of us.

    It’s called accountability.

    BTW, speaking of Netanyahu, why do we hear so little about the scandal involving the theft of nuclear triggers from the US?

    “The Israeli press is picking up Grant Smith’s revelation from FBI documents that Benjamin Netanyahu was part of an Israeli smuggling ring that spirited nuclear triggers out of the U.S. in the 80s and 90s.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel.html

    • Replies: @ISmellBagels
  28. Thank you Mr Giraldi. You covered an amazing number of issues in such a well written and compact article.

    Thanks also to Mr Unz for publishing these sorts of things.

    • Agree: Rurik
  29. @jacques sheete

    What she really meant by that was HOLOCAUST ALERT HOLOCAUST ALERT!!

  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    When you listen to Abby Martin describe her experience regarding this brutal apartheid system in Israel and the genocide of the Palestinian people, remember, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, was a prison guard in the Israeli Defense Forces guarding the West Bank death camp. And David Brooks, political and cultural commentator for The New York Times and former op-ed editor for The Wall Street Journal, has a son in the Israel Defense Forces helping to perpetuate this holocaust of the Palestinian people. I hope I live to see the day when some Palestinian Simon Wiesenthal hunts these monsters down and brings them to trial in The Hague.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  31. iffen says:

    NPR Morning Edition 10/17/17

    Rachel Martin talks to Vahil Ali, the communications director for the Kurdish president.

    In which she tries to steer him into calling for armed American intervention in Kurdistan to resist the Iranian sponsored militia.

    • Replies: @Talha
  32. LondonBob says:

    The lobby is not as powerful in Britain as it is the US, we can talk about it and someone like Peter Oborne is still a prominent journalist, but I don’t see that it makes that much difference. We seem to end up in the same places the US does.

  33. Sherman says:

    I had my meeting with the Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs and the Israeli Department of Hasbara last week and we discussed how our plan to suppress both the US and British governments is progressing.

    Apparently we are meeting our targets and everything is going according to plan.

    Thanks for update Phil!

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Anon
  34. @geokat62

    Hey geokat62,

    Speaking about how greatly rare a treasure are the P.G.’s words, below is linked a deliberately rare letter written by Congressman Donald Rumsfeld on behalf of the AZC.

    http://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/congress/defaultZAC.

    Also, re, “Will Americans allow themselves to be lied into another M.E. war?”

    (Sigh)

    History shows that, in order for ZUSA to start M.E. wars, Americans are routinely fed Executive Branch / Corporate Media-sauteed lies. Such deceit is par-for-the-course.

    At present, it would be foolish for me to not realize there is a False Flag Pentagon plan “on the table” & ready for a war with Iran.

  35. Jake says:

    What is playing out in the UK, and is in early stages in America, is the fight between the two side of Victorian WASP pro-Semtiism.

    WASP culture has always been philo-Semitic. That cannot be stated too much. WASP culture is inherently philo-Semtic. WASP culture was born of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism, which was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy naturally and inevitably produces pro-Jewish culture. No less than Oliver Cromwell made the deal to get Jewish money so he could wage culture war to destroy British Isles natives were not WASPs.

    WASP culture has always been allied with Jews to destroy white Christians who are not WASPs. You cannot solve ‘the Jewish problem’ unless you also solve ‘the WASP problem.’

    By the beginning of the Victorian era, virtually all WASP Elites in the Empire – who then had a truly globalist perspective – were divided into two pro-Semitic camps. The larger one was pro-Jewish. It would give the world the Balfour Declaration and the state of Israel.

    The smaller and growing one was pro-Arabic and pro-Islamic. It would give the world the people who backed Lawrence of Arabia and came to prop up the House of Saud.

    Each of these philo-Semitic WASP Elites groups was more than happy to keep the foot on the pedal to destroy non-WASP European cultures while spending fortunes propping up its favorite group of Semites.

    And while each of those camps was thrilled to ally to keep up the war against historic Christendom and the peoples who naturally would gravitate to any hope of a revival of Christendom, they also squabbled endlessly. Each wished, and always will wish, to be the A-#1 pro-Semitic son of daddy WASP. Each will play any dirty trick, make any deal with the Devil himself, to get what he wants.

    The Israeli lobby is more powerful throughout the Anglosphere than the Saudi/Arabic lobby, but the Saudi lobby is equally detestable and probably even a more grave threat to the very existence of Western man.

    It is impossible to take care of a serious problem without knowing its source and acting to sanitize and/or cauterize and/or cut out that source. The source of this problem is WASP culture.

  36. That the intelligence services of many countries engage in such conduct is not really news. Indeed, you could say that it’s part of their normal job. They usually don’t get caught and when accused of anything they shout “no evidence!” (now, where have I heard that recently?) Of course, if the Israelis engage in such conduct, then, logically, other countries’ services do so too. Thus, Mr Giraldi’s argument lends credibility to the claims that Russia interfered in the US election and to the proposition that US intelligence agents are seeking to undermine the EU. Since those two operations are part of the same transaction, i.e. maintain US global hegemony by breaking the EU up into its constituient Member States or even into the regional components of the larger Member States, using Putin as a battering ram and a bogeyman to frighten the resultering plethora of small and largely defenceless statlets back under cold war-era American protection, could it be that US and Russian intelligence services collaborated to manipulate Trump into the White House? If that were true, it would be quite a scandal! Overthrowing foreign governments is one thing, collaborating with a foreign power to manipulate your own country’s politics is quite another! But of course, there’s “no evidence” …

    • Replies: @schmenz
    , @Wally
    , @Alden
  37. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Sorry, but these linked videos to such as the Joe Rogan Show are often underwhelming.

    I just forced myself to watch the entire 25 minute clip of Mr. Rogan and Ms. Martin. The documentation of the rally on behalf of the Israeli soldier was probably enlightening, but the buzzy, vulgar overtalk against the backdrop of Warholian Elvis & Jimi pictures makes for an annoying waste of time. Saddening, too, that since her tenure on RT a few years back, Ms. Martin seems to have regressed to sounding like a three-beered college sophomore.

    Unz Review has allowed me to curtail the time spent viewing online. The video medium has its place. Black Pigeon Speaks, for example, is a craftsman with a sense of humor whose relatively concise efforts are both entertaining and informative. But when I want to learn and think critically about something, give me an essay or book every time.

    Do others here agree that written journalism is both more efficient (in terms of the audience’s time) and effective than talk-radio-on-camera?

  38. Not surprising that the Jewish public gets gamed by Israeli political elites, just as the American public keeps getting gamed by our own cabal of bought politicians. Trying to fool enough of the people, enough of the time, contra Lincoln (who was not exactly a friend of critical dissent either against war.)

    • Replies: @Wally
  39. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @wayfarer

    Daphne Caruana Galizia exposed both local thieves and the CIA-Azerbaijan cooperation in supplying ISIS with arms: https://www.rt.com/news/406963-assange-reward-caruana-galizia-death/ https://www.newsbud.com/2017/10/16/breaking-gladio-b-assassinates-journalist-with-car-bomb/
    “Azerbaijan considers Malta to be “one of its provinces”: https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2017/09/azerbaijan-considers-malta-one-provinces/
    The Middle Eastern wars have repercussion….

  40. @Sherman

    I had my meeting with the Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs

    The meeting must have been in one of those crappy rooms in the basement. I didn’t see you walk past my office. Although — my admin would have intercepted you.

    QC at Facilities Management wants to know — were there bulbs in all the lights in your meeting room — it was a room, I assume, and not the end of the hallway? Facilities also wants to know if the janitor cleaned the rat sh*t and wiped off the chairs — oh, did you have chairs?

  41. @anonymous

    But when I want to learn and think critically about something, give me an essay or book every time.

    Agree

    Do others here agree that written journalism is both more efficient (in terms of the audience’s time) and effective than talk-radio-on-camera?

    Yes.

  42. TheOldOne says:

    anonymous 1:32:
    You are, of course, correct. Martin really needs to grow up.

    • Replies: @Talking Horse
  43. @anonymous

    Do others here agree that written journalism is both more efficient (in terms of the audience’s time) and effective than talk-radio-on-camera?

    |
    Most definitely.

  44. I see the Maven, (of “Debt is Good” fame), and some of the shamsters are back.

    Before they start their tiresome, cringe-worthy , hackneyed braying yet again, will someone, preferably someone not motivated by jealousy and envy, remind them of this little fact?

    Debt. What’s it good for?

    Despite a brutal U.S. blockade on food, finance and technology, and without incurring debt,Mao grew China’s economy by an average of 7.3 percent annually, compared to America’s postwar boom years’ 3.7 percent.

    GODFREE ROBERTS , Mao Reconsidered, OCTOBER 16, 2017

    http://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered/#comment-2046531

    Hitler did something similar…

    PS: One wonders whether the debt experts ever had a clue of the differences between types of debt such as public debt vs private debt.

    I wonder if the “intuitive” Krugman has a clue.

  45. @Jake

    Informative, Jake.

    E Michael Jones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HypZYmGSJU8 has explained how Henry VIII broke off of the English church from the Roman (Catholic) Church amounted to a massive theft of Roman church property. There’s a simmering antipathy between the British and their former colonizer, Rome, the Roman church, and Italy in general.

    The core dynamic of zionism is hatred of Rome and the fierce determination to avenge Jewish expulsion from Jerusalem in 70 AD.

    THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State. ” -H. Sacher, The Atlantic JULY 1919

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1919/07/a-jewish-palestine/303393/

    As that revenge motive simmered, it fell back on ancient Hebrew scripture vengeance-destruction fantasies:

    By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
    when we remembered Zion.
    . . .

    If I forget you, Jerusalem,
    may my right hand forget its skill.
    May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
    if I do not remember you,
    if I do not consider Jerusalem
    my highest joy.
    Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
    on the day Jerusalem fell.
    “Tear it down,” they cried,
    “tear it down to its foundations!”
    Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
    happy is the one who repays you
    according to what you have done to us.
    Happy is the one who seizes your infants
    and dashes them against the rocks.
    -Psalm 137

    Zionist are atheists driven by their ancient scriptures, feverish to destroy the Roman church and insert themselves in its place; by controlling the Mediterranean; by dominating banking; and by placing eyes-and-ears in every capital and significant city in the world; zionism’s model is the Vatican and its hierarchy.

    British and Zionist antipathies coalesced; Chaim Weizmann conducted the marriage ceremony in 1917; together, the British and Zionists destroyed Germany and, although the plan had been for US and British military to march on Rome together, FDR instructed Gen. Mark Clark to lead US troops into Rome in advance of the British — much to Churchill’s dismay.

  46. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sherman

    I had my meeting with the Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs and the Israeli Department of Hasbara last week and we discussed how our plan to suppress both the US and British governments is progressing.

    Apparently we are meeting our targets and everything is going according to plan.

    Thanks for update Phil!

    The meeting must have been in one of those crappy rooms in the basement. I didn’t see you walk past my office. Although — my admin would have intercepted you.

    QC at Facilities Management wants to know — were there bulbs in all the lights in your meeting room — it was a room, I assume, and not the end of the hallway? Facilities also wants to know if the janitor cleaned the rat sh*t and wiped off the chairs — oh, did you have chairs?

    Remember when Jews were witty? And funny?

    I guess being the major force behind global genocide and destruction of countries has taken a toll on the spirit.

    • Replies: @ANONymous
  47. Durruti says:

    Philip Giraldi:

    Nice Work:

    Urgent Notice!!!

    Weinstein and the group of Hollywood Oligarchs around him (THE key group in the worldwide Rothschild brainwashing of the masses), are also responsible for Global Warming.

    They are Wife Beaters,

    Woman Beaters,

    Gay (Fag) Beaters,

    Self Flagelaters,

    Self hating Jews,

    Incompetent Land Thieves (of Palestinian Homeland) – * and that is perhaps their most serious crime.

    Just what the fuck is Weinstein’s actual crime? Just where did he step off the permitted path of evil Zionist imperialism?

    What do Weinstein and Polanski have in common? Just how many women is it possible to abuse rape in one lifetime, even in Hollywood? The former Jewish Pressident Moshe Katsav, was convicted of Raping 7 and committing additional sex crimes, and Polanski is down for raping a 13 year old (supposedly), but Weinstein, is approaching triple digits, and the numbers keep rising.

    Durruti defending a Jew? What’s wrong with me? I’ll never live it down! The shame! The shame!

    A self hating Goy!

    I’m going to do the honorable thing – apologize to Ron Unz.

    __________________

    Those who think my comment is not relevant to Philip Giraldi’s excellent article, should reread his article, and this time, pay attention.

    Durruti – for the Anarchist Collective

  48. @Malla

    Love the part where the guy in the first vid says that if someone acts like an animal then he is an animal.

    At least he’s right about that.

    No need to wonder what he acts like.

    PS: His poop probably doesn’t stink, either, at least according to him.

  49. @jilles dykstra

    All these things are known for a long time for those interested.

    True.

    The problem is how to end it.

    We don’t end such things. The best we can do is deal with such things somehow. Living systems are all equipped with mechanisms for dealing with toxins and waste. What happens when, for instance, our colons and cloacas become filled?

    I do not see how, in a democracy.

    Democracy? What democracy?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  50. schmenz says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    How true…and very well stated.

  51. @anonymous

    Do others here agree that written journalism is both more efficient (in terms of the audience’s time) and effective than talk-radio-on-camera?

    Of course – no comparison.

  52. Wally says: • Website

    “Simon Wiesenthal”? Really?

    Wiesenthal, while a truly vile little Zionist who believes in the scientifically impossible ‘gas chambers’ alleged to have been in Poland, did say some interesting things which refute a major part of the laughable ƌM Jews & 5M others’ Big Lie.

    https://codoh.com/library/document/2416/

    Wiesenthal Re-Confirms: ‘No Extermination Camps on German Soil’

    excerpt:

    [MORE]

    In a letter published in a January issue of The Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for US military service personnel, Simon Wiesenthal re-confirmed, in passing, that “there were no extermination camps on German soil” during the Second World War. He made the identical statement in a letter published in the April 1975 issue of the British periodical Books and Bookmen.

    Actually – and contrary to his highly flattering public image – the renowned “Nazi hunter” has a well-documented but little-known record of deceit, mendacity and prevarication. Some highlights:

    Wiesenthal repeatedly lied about his alleged role in locating Adolf Eichmann, was consistently wrong about Josef Mengele, and falsely accused Polish-American Frank Walus of having murdered Jews in Poland as a Gestapo official. Wiesenthal has absurdly charged that the Germans exterminated Jews in “electrocution chambers,” and that they manufactured bars of soap from the bodies of murdered Jews. His deception about his own wartime activities prompted Austrian Chancellor Bruno Kreisky (himself of Jewish ancestry) to accuse the “Nazi hunter” of having collaborated with his wartime oppressors. (For details about Wiesenthal’s record, see: M. Weber, “Simon Wiesenthal: Bogus Nazi Hunter,” The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1989–90.)

    Finally, Wiesenthal has even lied about his most widely-cited concession to truth. Concerned about the way that various Revisionists were quoting his 1975 Books and Bookmen letter, he simply denied ever having written it. In a letter dated May 12, 1986, to Professor John George of Central State University in Edmond, Oklahoma, Wiesenthal wrote: “I have never stated that ‘there were no extermination camps on German soil.’ This quote is false. I could never have said such a thing.”


    Wiesenthal’s letter, reproduced here in facsimile, but slightly enlarged, as it appeared in the January 24, 1993, issue of the daily “Stars and Stripes” (European edition), page 14.


    Jews born in Dachau

  53. @jacques sheete

    I myself am watching with joy, because this supposedly “great nation” was corrupt to the core from its inception.

    I can’t disagree with your premise (except for the part about watching with joy). Another way of looking at what you term as “pretenses” is that the US was an aspirational ideal. Despite the machinations of the elite in power, for the common gentry it was an ethical goal to try and attain. It allowed for the articulation of disdain in the pronouncement of something being “unamerican”.

    Perhaps it was just a charade that allowed us to look the other way as our country destroyed others beyond our shores in the name of the “good” and “democratic”. We slept soundly at night because we were born in an exceptional nation that sought to better humanity – and it was all self-deceiving.

    The removal of that veil gives me scant joy, however.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  54. ANONymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Remember when Jews were witty? And funny?

    no

  55. Z-man says:
    @jilles dykstra

    All these things are known for a long time for those interested.
    The problem is how to end it.
    I do not see how, in a democracy.

    Bears repeating.

  56. RobinG says:
    @anonymous

    To a large extent, I agree with you and S2 and JS that written work is better. However, too many writers are less than thrifty with their prose, using 1000′s of words to make a 200 word point. Also, many key points revealed in interviews never make it to print. Plus, some people prefer videos, so both have their place. If you don’t like don’t watch. (Or you can listen while you do something else.) To each his own.

    Now, if you’re interested in Atzmon, maybe you’ll have to buy his book. Or play this. While I often find him too clever for his own good, here he is mercifully logical. His explanation of Jews creating satellite controlled opposition is incisive. He also goes into new (for him) territory about the rapidly evolving cognitive elite, and takes questions about Athens v. Jerusalem, cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School.

    Gilad Atzmon – Being in Time in Seattle

  57. @jacques sheete

    Correct.
    Should have been ‘what seems to be a democracy’.

  58. @jacques sheete

    Brother Jacques,

    The Maven Shamster is very articulate & of course cunning when he talks about Keynes, Krugman, and the beauty of a grand “debt fueled” economy.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  59. The expression “Israel Lobby” itself has considerable currency, so much so that the expression “The Lobby” is widely used and understood to represent the most powerful foreign policy advocacy group in Washington without needing to include the “Israel” part. That the monstrous Benjamin Netanyahu receives 26 standing ovations from Congress

    The most revolting exhibit of the lowest sycophancy, one of the major turning points for me in reassessing a lot of things in US. It was painful to watch (and hear). A testimony to a complete corruption of the system. 2.5 years later after that despicable and humiliating display it is as clear as it ever be.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  60. Talha says:
    @iffen

    calling for armed American intervention in Kurdistan

    Bro – this is chump change as far as intervention goes. You gotta take a look at this guy!

    Avi Lipkin – apparently he’s some Israeli guy that goes around speaking at evangelical churches and programs. So this guy starts out mentioning (after saying he considers Jews and Christians to be included in “my people”, of course) he wrote a book called Return to Mecca and that he thinks the Biblical Jethro was the high priest at Makkah and that Moses (pbuh) went to do pilgrimage there with the Israelites, that Makkah and Madinah are part of Midyan and that there are many rites from the Hajj associated with certains Jewish rites (like the cube box they tie to their heads). I thought it was all pretty interesting and thought he was calling for more dialog between religions or cultural exchange – oh, silly, naive me. Then he turns around and says that what’s going on now (after declaring Jerusalem is not holy for Muslims – thanks, Mufti Lipkin) is end game in “capture the flag” between the “Judeo-Christian” world and Islam and all they need to do is capture Makkah and Madinah* (apparently Saudis will be asking Israelis to come and save them) and annex it – and bam! Islam is defeated (a “victory for the human race” he says):

    (Watch it till the end – it’s that good folks! He throws in some nice mention of “taqiyyah” and stuff too!)

    Apparently the dude served in the IDF spokesman’s office for a number of years – wow, didn’t see that coming – LOL!

    https://www.avilipkin.net/biography

    Peace.

    *I think we all know who’ll be doing the lion’s share of fighting in this round of “Let’s you and him fight!”

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Rurik
  61. geokat62 says:
    @jacques sheete

    Abby Martin is amazingly sharp. Many of the things she says can be confirmed by Uri Avnery, both his books and articles.

    Hey, JS. She is sharp, indeed. But rather than having Uri Avnery confirm what she says, I think Noam Chomsky is the person who would have no difficulty concurring with this exchange between Abby Martin and Joe Rogan:

    AM – … because the US is always with Israel, unconditionally. It’s sick, man… which is crazy because this would never be able to happen if it weren’t completely supported by the US.

    JR – And why is it supported by the US?

    AM – I don’t know. I think the US loves using Israel as a military garrison. They love using that strategic point in the Middle East to have…

    So, when JR asks the $64k question as to why the US unconditionally supports the Jewish state in maintaining its brutal occupation of the Palestinians, rather than identifying the nefarious influence of The Lobby (as M&W demonstrated in The Israel Lobby), Abby pulls out the Noam Chomsky canard of US imperialism. What a joke! You don’t think she may have intentionally been trying to dupe The Dumb Goyim, do you?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  62. Anon-og says:
    @Jake

    How Zionism helped create the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/zionism-kingdom-arabia/

    • Replies: @Talha
  63. @RobinG

    Thanks for the Atzmon link, RobinG.

    Sorry to go off-topic of Phil’s overview of Israeli influence in Britain — Bannon’s appearance at Values Voter confab caught my eye.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?435688-1/steve-bannon-addresses-values-voter-summit

    He’s one disturbing dude — Abby Martin (video — oops) explained his Iranophobia in this backgrounder:

    Bannon also has some behaviors in common with Weinstein — business partners who are pedophiles; three marriages, one of which involved violence against the mother of his newborn twins and violence against the then-17-month-old twins themselves.

    Why is Bannon someone any NORMAL — fuggedabout Left, Right, Conservative, Lib, Evangelical — person would want to be in a position of influence in USA?

    Evangelicals cheered Bannon at Values Summit? W.T.F.?

    Bannon defending “Judeo-Christian Values/ Western Civilization?”
    Like Churchill?

  64. Anon-og says:
    @RobinG

    His book, The Wandering Who was brilliant I thought.

  65. @jacques sheete

    Jacques,

    Pardon my premature tap upon the “send comment” slot.

    Please let me go deeper into the Maven’ s dark heart & mind?

    From his high elite Jewish mount, he writes (downward) as if there are no other beneficial economic systems (a Way) other than that espoused by Keynes, Krugma, and himself.

    Dumb goyim complainers who have zero (0) impact upon the implementation of ZUSA 1% (Wall Street) “Shock Doctrine” economics are simply “dead enders” in The Maven’s beady eyes.

    Selah The National Socialism Attempt to Derail The Gold Herd and Usury Choo-choo Train.

    P.S.: sorry to have gone off P.G.’s article topic.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  66. Talha says:
    @Anon-og

    Salaam Bro – that was an incredible article. I had no idea how deep that connection went!

    Wa salaam

    • Replies: @Anon-og
  67. Now we just need further expose of Israel and 9/11.

    • Agree: Rurik
  68. @Cloak And Dagger

    The removal of that veil gives me scant joy, however.

    The removal of the veil gives me lots and lots of joy because I hate being duped and removal of the veil is like a breath of fresh air after leaving a bathroom. Or, I imagine, the removal of the scat filled sandbags placed over the heads of those poor kids in Iraq, in places like the horror chambers of American run Abu Ghraib, or after a waterboarding by “a great democracy.”

    I’m full of joy because I’m now at least partially free of the burden of participating in the support of a huge, grotesque, life-quashing fraud.

    I watch, and joyfully participate tin he crumbling of another ineffable dystopia.

    I agree however, that failure to even come close to attaining the aspirational ideal is attended by anything resembling joy.

    “We” are the new Nineveh.

    [MORE]

    Nahum 3

    16 You have increased the number of your merchants
    till they are more numerous than the stars in the sky,
    but like locusts they strip the land
    and then fly away.
    17 Your guards are like locusts,
    your officials like swarms of locusts
    that settle in the walls on a cold day—
    but when the sun appears they fly away,
    and no one knows where.
    18 King of Assyria, your shepherds[b] slumber;
    your nobles lie down to rest.
    Your people are scattered on the mountains
    with no one to gather them.
    19 Nothing can heal you;
    your wound is fatal.
    All who hear the news about you
    clap their hands at your fall,

    for who has not felt
    your endless cruelty?

  69. @RobinG

    However, too many writers are less than thrifty with their prose, using 1000′s of words to make a 200 word point.

    I couldn’t agree more. However, after a while, a person learns who’s worth reading and it turns out that not many are.

    Giraldi is one of the best, and this article is extremely well written. Great economy of words. I wish I had 1/10 the talent and knowledge.

  70. @ChuckOrloski

    The Maven Shamster is very articulate & of course cunning …

    Well, he sure tries to be. No doubt he thinks he is but hasn’t a clue about the cringe-worthiness of the spectacle.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  71. @geokat62

    I agree. I caught that as well and agere that it’s exceedingly lame.

    But hey, no one’s perfect, not even me! ;)

  72. schmenz says:
    @jacques sheete

    Excellent comment.

    I just hope more and more people realize, as you do, that America was doomed from its inception. That its founding principles had the seeds of their own destruction well planted in them.

    There are good, well-intentioned people who would find that difficult to accept and I don’t condemn them for that Pollyanna-ish type view. Perhaps as things start to get even worse more eyes will be opened.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  73. schmenz says:
    @Jake

    Brilliantly stated. Many thanks.

  74. schmenz says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Frankly, Michael, I have less worry about a pro-Christian country like Russia spying on the US than I do of a vicious anti-Christian entity like Israel doing so. And one is for peace while the other wants endless war in the Middle East.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  75. Art says:
    @Uebersetzer

    There may be limits to their power in Britain. Jeremy Corbyn is hated by them, and stories are regularly run in the MSM, in Britain and also (of course!) in the New York Times claiming that under Corbyn Labour is a haven of anti-Semitism.

    Corbyn is hated by the Labor establishment money types – but supported by the electorate.

    He made a speech at a recent party convention where he voiced support for the Palestinians. It received a standing ovation. (It is on Cspan.)

    Things are a changing!

    Think Peace — Art

  76. Anon-og says:
    @Talha

    Walaikum bro, I hope all is well.

    Some go even further, and say that the Saudi Royal family themselves are Crypto-Jews

    THE DOCUMENTED JEWISH ROOTS OF SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY

    https://concisepolitics.com/2016/04/28/the-documented-jewish-roots-of-saudi-royal-family/

    “ibn Saud is actually descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Mushi, a Jewish merchant from Basra. Apparently, when he was approached by members from the Arabian tribe of Aniza, then claimed to be one of them, and traveled with them to Najd and his name became Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa.
    Hempher contact with Adbul Wahhab = Create a Wahhabi Tool to use, subvert, & destroy Islam = Form the Cult of Wahhabism to keep Saudi Dictators in power using violence, beheadings, and an IRON FIST.
    Cult of Wahhabism = Suppressed by the Ottomam armies in the middle of the nineteenth century.
    Cult of Wahhabism = Grew with assistance of the British Rothschilds ZIO-MAFIA when MAFIA founded the state of Saudi Arabia in 1932.”

    My own perspective is not set in stone and still developing but no doubt that the Saudis and the groups they finance are sewing such discord and trying to destroy Islamic diversity to such an extent that I can’t help but to conclude that the Saudis are imposters serving a specific agenda.

    • Replies: @Talha
  77. Wally says: • Website
    @Jake

    “WASP culture has always been allied with Jews to destroy white Christians who are not WASPs. You cannot solve ‘the Jewish problem’ unless you also solve ‘the WASP problem.’ ”

    So …. ‘WASPs, White Anglo-Saxon PROTESTANTS (Christians), try to destroy Christians’?

    Laughable & desperate.

    Lying Zionists will say anything.

    I guess WASPs did this:

    Supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869.

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    • Replies: @anonymous
  78. Wally says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Your proof for any of that is where exactly?

    Russia-gate has jumped the shark with laughable new claims about a tiny number of “Russia-linked” social media ads, but the US mainstream media is determined to keep a straight face

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10/robert-parry/jumping-the-shark/

    IOW, you voted or Hillary.

  79. Wally says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Laughable spin.

    Your “Jewish public’ actually supports Israeli political elites, in spite of your attempts to spin it otherwise.

    Statue of Jew Confederate slave owner stands untouched in Florida

    https://revisionistreview.blogspot.it/2017/08/statue-of-judaic-confederate-slave.html

    David Levy Yulee statue in Florida

    Yulee’s inflammatory pro-slavery rhetoric in the U.S. Senate earned him the nickname, “the Florida Fire Eater.” He resigned his senate seat to support the Confederacy.

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
  80. So the Pope is a Catholic. WOW!!!

  81. @jacques sheete

    Jacques,

    I suggest to you that The Maven’s articulate glorification of the global-scale “debt economy” is due to the elite & powerful Jewish economic Thought Control influence.
    The Sham indeed deserves our credit for his consistent placement of black lipstick upon our $20-trillion debt pig.

    (Sigh) In the 1980′s, even the Vatican “Think Tank” popularized a different “Have Not” based economic system which became known to dumb goyim Catholics as a (kinder & gentler) “Third Way.” Now to merely question the vaunted wisdom of Chicago School of Economics-Profs. can eliminate one from getting even a shitty “good” job in Corporate zAmerika.

    Not many “preferential option for the poor” peeps out of Popes anymore? Hm.

    The Maven Sham’s thought depresses me but he stands atop (and well articulates) the only permitted economic “game in Tinsel town.”

    (Sigh) I am a dumb goy school bus driver & satirist. (Sigh) Maybe either SolontoCroesus or you are objectively capable of opining upon Adolph Hitler’s National Socialism and exit strategy from the Jewish banksters of his nation’s deplorable economic times?

    Selah… Sometimes it Takes Two Hands to Handle The Maven’s Whoppers?

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @jacques sheete
  82. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    you continue to shoot yourself in the foot, Wally. you’re just an angry old geezer & your sidekick SC a boring old geezer. get a room. on another planet.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  83. Sloopyjoe says:

    The “Lobby” is definitely a serious problem in the USSA and elsewhere, but it is just a symptom of the disease. Consider it a small branch in a cancerous root-rotted tree. In order to cure the cancer, one must address the cause(s) and not the symptoms. So, let’s take a look at the cause(s). From what I see, the root cause(s) is/are based on the historical farce of The Exodus out of Egypt. Let’s take a ride in the Way Back Machine and consider the following:

    DISCLAIMER: What follows below will make most of you rather uncomfortable. Do you have the intellectual honesty and courage to proceed?

    1) https://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/the-real-exodus-end-of-israel-3/
    An excerpt from above:

    From Ha’aretz Magazine, Friday, October 29, 1999)

    “Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs’ acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, we did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon. Those who take an interest have known these facts for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and doesn’t want to hear about it”

    Prof. Ze’ev Herzog, head of the Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Tel Aviv University.

    Prof. Herzog has since been dismissed and records of him have been erased. Such is the Talmudic Way of erasing inconvenient history.

    2) If the ancient Israelites didn’t come out from Egypt, where did they come from? South Western Arabia/ North Eastern Yemen.

    https://www.newparadigm.ws/suppressed-forbidden-knowledge/the-jewish-bible-came-from-arabia/

    3) What about the Hebrew Bible?

    https://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/hebrew-bible-plagiarized-mythology-and-defaced-monotheism/

    4) Oh, Sloopyjoe, surely you jest. OK, then why aren’t the Pyramids mentioned in the Bible? Please watch the video at the bottom of the article. The Ancient Egyptians were rather fastidious record keepers. Archaeology is a hobby of mine. Even a blind Hobbit would know of the Pyramids.

    https://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2016/07/24/why-are-the-pyramids-not-mentioned-in-the-bible/

    The Hebrew Bible and ALL that emanates from these Books of Fairy Tales are as phony as a Three-Dollar Bill. Sorry to bust you out of your warm and fuzzy zone, but Truth is Truth. The first step to healing is recognizing that there is a problem. Ya’ll been SCAMMED. I mean Major League SCAMMED.

    But, but, but, what about Orthodox Judaism? OK, let’s hear from a former head of an Ultra-Orthodox Yeshiva in Israel (Please watch all six short parts. You will be shocked and sickened!!!).

    Here are a few Talmudic excepts about how Jews REALLY think about us Goyim.

    Holy Spit.

    http://religiondispatches.org/holy-spit-why-do-ultra-orthodox-jews-spit-at-christians/

    What about that Jewish love.

    The CANCER originates with the falsified history and compounded by the self-written heavily plagiarized books of fairy tales (Talmud and Torah). These are the foundational pillars upon the long standing historical crimes perpetuated that must be targeted and exposed.

    Let’s wrap this up with a bit of Jerry Springer style Biblical Baby Mamas. One has to be a serious mental deficient to actually believe in this kind of crap.

  84. @geokat62

    rather than identifying the nefarious influence of The Lobby (as M&W demonstrated in The Israel Lobby), Abby pulls out the Noam Chomsky canard of US imperialism. What a joke! You don’t think she may have intentionally been trying to dupe The Dumb Goyim, do you?

    Abby Martin is a “progressive;” half of what she says is informative, the rest is propaganda. She should be imbibed with a full measure of salt.

    Agree that ascribing US support for Israel to US imperialist ambitions — the Chomsky thesis — is simplistic and a form of gatekeeping, still, Jakes’s comment @ #37 is important: Judeophilia is baked in the British cake; US as heir to Britain has not extracted that ingredient from the American values recipe. Support for Israel among US religious folks, to the point of favoring Israel above US interests, is not limited to “Christian zionists” like the Hagee crazies and followers of TV Elmer Gantrys: it’s nearly across the board of Christian — AND Catholic — denominations.

    That’s why Russia, Iran (maybe China) are targets of Anglo Zionists: they are outside the Anglo-Zionist orb.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @renfro
  85. Talha says:
    @Anon-og

    Salaam Bro,

    I get what you are saying; the Saudis seem to have single-handedly brought so many problems into the Muslim world. It does seem like they are actively trying to do the worst things to undermine Islam itself.

    However, I personally take two approaches to this; 1) whacky extreme groups certainly came out in our past and they had no such alleged connection, so it’s not like there isn’t something that we have no historical precedence for and 2) to a certain degree, it doesn’t matter, because our Ummah has always judged according to the outward – we simply don’t do inquisition-style questioning – if someone says they believe a particular thing, we take it at face value. And so we judge based on outwardly stated beliefs and actions.

    Remember, the Prophet (pbuh) knew exactly who the munafiqun were among the community in Madinah, but he always treated them as if they were Muslim as long as they claimed they were. And he did not make their identities known to anybody except one Companion, Hudhayfah bin Yaman (ra) who was instructed not to make them public.

    Wa salaam

    • Replies: @Anon-og
  86. Sloopyjoe says:

    Just in case anyone would like some info on Jewish Control of USSA, check out the following link:

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/05/the-motherlode-of-jewish-lists-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-jewish-control-of-american-society/

    You are welcome.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Art
  87. Wally says: • Website

    IOW, I continue to wipe the floor with Zionist idiots like yourself and you just don’t like it. GFY

    Here you are:
    Nationally known Jewish children’s singer, songwriter arrested by FBI for child pornography
    http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/09/nationally-known-jewish-childrens-singer-songwriter-arrested-on-child-pornogra-002024197.htmlEric Komar

    • Replies: @Anon
  88. Sherman says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I was in Scranton a couple of years ago on a business trip. It was one of the dreariest and most depressing places I’ve ever visited.

    Several people I met with gave me their resumes and asked if I could help them get a job in my city. It seems like anyone who has anything going for them wants to leave Scranton.

    It’s no wonder you’re so miserable and deranged. If I was hopelessly trapped there I would likely be the same.

    Sherm

    • Troll: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  89. @schmenz

    There are good, well-intentioned people who would find that difficult to accept…

    True and very frustrating.

    Any advice on how to get the message out?

    • Replies: @schmenz
  90. @ChuckOrloski

    (Sigh) I am a dumb goy school bus driver & satirist. (Sigh) Maybe either SolontoCroesus or you are objectively capable of opining upon Adolph Hitler’s National Socialism and exit strategy from the Jewish banksters of his nation’s deplorable economic times?

    Sigh, I too am a dumb goy and have been diagnosed, for free, without even asking, as being bitter and jealous, so I don’t feel up to the task.

    Fortunately, however, we have very fine Jewish people who know, and speak the truth. May I refer you to esteemed and always excellent Murray Rothbard and the speech of Mr Benjamin Freedman, as well as the works of Brother Nathaniel?

    NB: It is important to note that I have not heard Mr. Freedman’s speech, so all I have to go by are transcripts of the speech, some of which contain minor errors of the type expected in such works. However, no anti-goy person or animal has called them a fake yet. Some, who have trouble understanding basic concepts, will no doubt attempt to pick apart his many excellent points, and will, thereby make further fools of themselves in public by mocking him in a very sophomoric manner.

    Here’s a link to Mr F’s speech in anyone’s interested.

    http://solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/jewish-defector-warns-america-benjamin-h-freedman.pdf

    Here’s a link to Rothbard, and he is well worth studying although a great thinker (in his own mind), in an anti-Semitic statement, brushed off Rothbard and told me to read (gag) Krugman instead. The Mave must have low standards for scholarship besides making anti-Semitic as well as anti-goy remarks. Perhaps Rothbard isn’t “intuitive ” enough for our shaman’s sensibilities such as they are.

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    Bro “Gnat” as our no doubt natty but naughty shaman ( izzat cringeworthy? (sic))addressed Brother Nathaniel in another anti-Semitic outburst, can be, as you know, viewed on youtube.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  91. @Sherman

    Yup… Boss hog Sherm, agreed!

    Oodles of “Fear and Loathing” in my debt-ridden hometown, Scranton.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  92. renfro says:
    @Rurik

    To add…..

    ”Rather, Ofcom concluded, the program was “a serious investigative documentary which explored the actions of the Israeli Embassy and, in particular, its then Senior Political Officer Shai Masot and his links to several political organizations that promote a pro-Israel viewpoint.”

    https://www.jta.org/2017/10/10/news-opinion/united-states/al-jazeera-acknowledges-planting-undercover-reporter-in-us-pro-israel-groups

  93. Anon-og says:
    @Talha

    I agree and appreciate ya bro :) You’re dropping jewels as usual.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  94. @ChuckOrloski

    Oodles of “Fear and Loathing” in my debt-ridden hometown, Scranton.

    Hey, did you not get the memo?

    “Debt is Good!”

    Just ask the “intuitive” guy who “admires’ Hume, aka the Debt Messiah, Krugman. If some debt is good, no doubt more is better. What could go wrong??? ;)

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  95. @jacques sheete

    Jacques,

    Thanks from the bottom of my heart. Will look at your linked information prior to tucking in.

    Just please never forget that The Maven Sham takes stilted pride in his superior “cringeworthiness.”

  96. renfro says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Here’s how you end it.

    Go after every Jewish lobby bought US politician face to face…..TRAITOR is the operative word….you call their office and unload TRAITOR on their aide….you confront them at any public speaking or other event they show up at with TRAITOR…..you must be loud and bold…and you keep on doing it.

    TRAITOR trumps anti semite every day of the week, in every country in the universe, always has and always will….

    Nothing will put fear in a politician more than the accusation of treason…..the more people who arent afraid to do this, the more it is done over and over, louder and louder….the more it will become a popular complaint, the more it will become a accepted accusation to be used by the public.

    You have to be as aggressive in using TRAITOR against the politicians as the Jews are in using anti semite and holocaust against the American public.

    Do Not leave this fight up to the journalist and media people who the zios can squash and have fired….we average citizens cant be touched by the zios, they cant take our jobs or money they have no power over John Q Public , their power ends with the politicians and media/press…..iow its up to us…

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @RobinG
  97. FKA Max says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus

    This is an article that might interest you:

    The Irrepressibility of Ethnopolitics and the Death of the Labour Party

    Secondly, there is the working-class Catholic Irish demographic. Despite being heavily assimilated and bred-in to a considerable degree with the rest of the working class population, it still retains enough of an identity to strongly influence its political behaviour. This is the largest element of the Labour movement to have a distinct ethnic identity, and as such it tends to line up against Blairite tendencies, which are viewed as suspiciously post-imperial.

    This brings these two groups together in odd ways. Leftist politicians closest to Muslim positions tend to be of Catholic Irish origin — the best example being George Galloway — or have close ties with the Catholic Irish community, such as Ken Livingstone, a long-term supporter of the IRA.

    Not only does Catholicism have its own anti- or counter-Semitic tradition, deeply enmeshed in working class Catholic culture, but the working class Catholics in the UK often see parallels between their own experience of “muh oppression” and that of Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians. This is made manifest at football matches featuring the fans of the “Scottish” club Glasgow Celtic, a club that was founded by Catholic friars in 1888. While their rivals, the Protestant fans of Glasgow Rangers, wave Israeli flags — highlighting the often observed affinity between Calvinism and Judaism — the Celtic fans wave Palestinian flags and idolize the heroes of the Palestinian struggle alongside the heroes of the IRA.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/09/27/the-irrepressibility-of-ethnopolitics-and-the-death-of-the-labour-party/

    Once it was clear that the U.S. was pulling out of Vietnam, communist agents saw their job at killing U.S. morale in the war was largely complete,and apparently after 1968 through the 1970s turned their attention to fomenting ethnic rebellions against other U.S. allies (the IRA against the British, the Arabs against the Israelis) and fomenting ethnic rebellion within the U.S. (FALN, Black Panthers). http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2022987

    Special Report: From Ulster with love, Israel’s unlikely ally

    Why the support? Politically, culturally and geographically, Northern Ireland is some distance from Israel, so why such stringent views from Ulster’s Protestant community?

    In part, it is because there is equally strong support for the Palestinians from the unionists’ arch-enemy. Irish Republicans have long associated themselves with the Palestinian cause, and there has been co-operation and trading between the PLO and the IRA dating back to the 1970s, including training and arms procurement.

    http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/ulster-israel-dup-ally/

    I have a (kookspiracy?) theory why the Vatican supports both Palestinians/Muslims and Israelis/Jews:

    The Vatican wants to control Jerusalem, and that is why they collaborate with the Zionists/Israel Lobby:

    The transfer of the Israeli capital to Jerusalem, in contrast with the Vatican plan for an “international city” under the influence of the Roman Catholic Church, was also a source of friction between the two states.
    [...]
    I also want to emphasize, that in my opinion, and this might come as a surprise to some, the Zionists/Israel Lobby is only the junior partner, in this Zionist-Vatican alliance.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-empire-strikes-back-the-msms-3-point-plan-to-recapture-the-narrative/#comment-1689501

    Holy See–Palestine relations

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See%E2%80%93Palestine_relations

    Holy See–Israel relations

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See%E2%80%93Israel_relations

    The Confused Person’s Guide to Middle East Conflict

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/03/the-confused-persons-guide-to-middle-east-conflicts/388883/

    Note: Palestine and Israel were discounted for the sake of simplicity

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Malla
  98. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Bottom line is that you won’t condemn it even acknowledge Nazi atrocities because you hate Jews. If you admitted it, you’d at least be honest. As it stands, you’re totally transparent and immensely dishonest.

    • Disagree: ChuckOrloski, SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @jacques sheete
  99. renfro says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    ” favoring Israel above US interests, is not limited to “Christian zionists” like the Hagee crazies and followers of TV Elmer Gantrys: it’s nearly across the board of Christian — AND Catholic — denominations. ”

    I disagree…I’ve done considerable research on that and as the old saying goes..support for Israel is a ‘mile wide and an inch deep’. If you pay attention to ‘who” claims all this support for Israel it is the Jewish orgs and mouthpieces themselves and the politicians who say it to cover their ass as J-Lobby bought prostitutes.

    The World Public Opinion Poll by the Univ of Maryland Kennedy Center is the most credible poll as it is not commissioned by political or special interest group.

    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/503.php?nid=&id=&pnt=503

    International Poll: Most Publics–including Americans–Oppose Taking Sides in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    Publics Support Even-Handed Approach to Conflict

    Asked how their country should approach the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 14 out of 18 publics preferred taking neither side. On average, 58 percent say that their country should not take either side, while just 20 percent favor siding with the Palestinians and 7 percent say that their country should take Israel’s side. In America 71% favored taking neither side.
    In no country does a majority favor taking Israel’s side. The largest percentages favoring taking Israel’s side are Indians (24%), Americans (21%), and Nigerians

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @FKA Max
  100. @RobinG

    (Or you can listen while you do something else.)

    The Avi Lipkin videos that Talha linked

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-lobby-british-style/#comment-2046840

    offer an object lesson in why it’s a mistake to “listen while you do something else.”

    1. You can’t fact-check or even follow the logic carefully when multi-tasking.

    2. Images, color, movement, sounds are far more readily absorbed & given value than are words; they appeal to senses/emotions; are less susceptible to critical analysis. You have to be on guard —

    2. Lipkin is most likely well-trained in the art of selling BS — Elmer Gantry peddling war, not snake oil

    3. His message is carefully constructed: up front, “I love CHRISTIANS & Jews”

    SIDEBAR: [which explains why Lipkin left USA for Israel & served in IDF for 16 years
    At risk of offending 200 vs 1000 words, recall that Jewish Communists wrote the scripts for Frank Capra's Why WeFight, to get US into war in Europe; Capra 'chose' as theme, "You shall know the truth & truth shall make you free," and background music was "Onward Christian Soldiers." Christians were so well loved they stomped all over Europe and killed millions of Christians.];

    Lipkin repeats for emphasis the words he wants the distracted listener to remember. “Jews and Christians together” and “JudeoChristian” (vs. Allah/Satan & Iran) is repeated thru out.

    Then A bunch of details are offered to “prove” that the Arabian desert belongs to Jews. Anyone remember those details? Anyone remember that the Hebrews wandered in the desert 40 years as punishment for worshiping golden calf — 40 years meant the generation would die out — they were NOT TO BE PERMITTED TO ENTER THE PROMISED LAND.
    Then, “Islam/Allah is Satan” is introduced.”
    Only at the very end does he say the word, Iran: people tend to remember the first parts and the last parts of, advertising, etc.

    4. He never offers a Ginsu knife.

    otoh, I cleared out the basement space where the summer stuff goes — I’ll watch Atzmon while hauling in the lawn chairs.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Rurik
  101. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon

    “Bottom line is that you won’t condemn it even acknowledge Nazi atrocities because you hate Jews. If you admitted it, you’d at least be honest. As it stands, you’re totally transparent and immensely dishonest.”

    Yawn.

    To say nothing of Jews hatred of white gentiles. LOL

    Prove your alleged “Nazi atrocities”. You cannot and are now grasping at straws.
    That’s your problem and those like you, not mine. And do GFY.

    Simply stated:

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

  102. @jacques sheete

    J.S.: “If some debt is good no doubt more is better. What could go wrong?”

    Good question!

    Hm. Let me think?

    Well as Sherman was in Scranton (refer to comment # 91) and apparently headhunted & perused Scrantonian resumes, one of them could have been MINE and I could have been fired before Shemp even got to my character references.

    Uh… did I just slip and called Sherm “Shemp” after the funny guy who landed Curley’s ex-job on the 3 Stooges?

    Selah ZUSA Animal Farm: All Debt is Equal but More Debt is Equally Unequal.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  103. @renfro

    Thanks for that, renfro.

    It’s hopeful information.

    Your approach is Today/Polling/statistics;my frame of reference was historical.
    I think we both have something to offer.

  104. renfro says:
    @Jake

    ” WASP culture has always been allied with Jews to destroy white Christians who are not WASPs. You cannot solve ‘the Jewish problem’ unless you also solve ‘the WASP problem.’

    Bull hockey.
    What the hell kind of drugs are you on?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  105. @Sloopyjoe

    Thanks for the link.

    I fully agree with this.:

    We fully acknowledge that there are many very good and truly righteous Jewish folks who have nothing to do with those Khazarian Zionazi Neocons …

    They are some of the worst “anti-Semites” ( I loathe that stupid word), on the planet. They are an abomination to decent Jews.

  106. @Anon

    Bottom line is that you won’t condemn it even acknowledge Nazi atrocities because you hate Jews.

    Bottom line is that you won’t condemn, or even acknowledge Israeli atrocities because you hate Palestinians, or will you?

    Explain.

    And keep it simple. We dumb goyim don’t know or understand much.

    • LOL: chris
  107. To all:

    My apologies for having roamed away from P.G.’s important topic, but for sanity sake, I provide the You Tube video (below) where three Sherman-type businessmen convince The 3 Stooges leader, Moe, to become the “Dictator of Moronica.”

    Selah Laughter Makes Life Livable While America Gets Made Great Again By Increasing Debt.

  108. @ChuckOrloski

    Durn it Chuck!

    I’m trying to ejumukate muhself ’bout eekincomics and I keep gettin interruptikated.

    How’s kin a dumb goy toy study Kroog-min under them kindishinz?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  109. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Wow!

    I am going back to church this Sunday!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Talha
  110. @Anon-og

    I agree and appreciate ya bro :) You’re dropping jewels as usual.

    Uh-oh. First we have pellet droppers; now we have jewel droppers.

    What next??

    (Inside joke from another article. ;) )

    • Replies: @Anon-og
  111. @iffen

    Oh no! Little iffen-iffen is going back to church this Sunday? Gasp!

    Yo Talha… A.S.A.P., you best put out (indigo style) text messages to the innocent churchgoers & warn them that Little iffen-iffen will be present Sunday, and as a result, the building might come tumbling down.

  112. @anonymous

    Hey, I resemble that.

    “Boring” is a serious charge!

    I’d be glad to be in the same room w/ Wally, this planet, another planet, maybe Scranton, PA.
    I think Wally’s doing the lord’s work in chipping away at the holocaust narrative — it very much needs to be deconstructed.
    Wally and I take a different approach — obviously — my strategy is to bore people into submission.

    • LOL: chris
  113. @jacques sheete

    why not take out a student loan, jacques sheete; Debt is Good!

    (signed)
    Boring

  114. Art says:
    @Sloopyjoe

    Thanks much —- a great source on Jew ownership of America’s media and much else.

    Think Peace — Art

  115. Anon-og says:
    @jacques sheete

    I learn a lot from your posts as well. Thanks for ‘em.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  116. @jilles dykstra

    How it can be done, I do not know, but the only way to “end it” would be removing ownership and control of the mass media from Jewish hands. If that were to happen the American people would at least stand a chance of understanding who’s been manipulating events against their own self interest.

  117. @renfro

    ….we average citizens cant be touched by the zios, they cant take our jobs or money they have no power over John Q Public , their power ends with the politicians and media/press…..iow its up to us…

    Due to political correct speech codes (Cultural Marxism) this is unfortunately not true. Anyone today holding a job in the public or private sector who dares make statements critical of Jews, Blacks, transvestites, homos etc, (on or off the job, or via social media) are fired on the spot. Political correctness has done it’s job and done it well.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @renfro
  118. @Anon

    “Apartheid” arguable. “Holocaust” ridiculous. You spoil your argument’s credibility, and that doesn’t help the unfortunate Palestinians.

  119. @Wally

    Demented Holocaust denier, what else could anyone expect from such? Just shards of what perished in the bunker in 1945…

  120. RobinG says:
    @renfro

    “…..we average citizens cant be touched by the zios, they cant take our jobs or money…..”

    You’ve got to be kidding!

    There were guys who lost their jobs just because they went to Charlottesville. You think being labeled an anti-Semite has no consequences? The purpose of Canary Mission is publicly blacklisting activists, usually pro-Palestinian but anti-Lobby will do [you] fine. Why do you think a lot of people comment here anonymously?

  121. Avery says:
    @Carroll Price

    {… who dares make statements critical of }

    It’s way beyond that by now: not only you cannot be critical, but are _required_ to be supportive of whatever the Commissars decide the Hoi Polloi are to be supportive of.

    To wit:

    [Air Force punishes colonel who refused to affirm gay marriage, attorney says]

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/16/air-force-punishes-colonel-who-refused-to-affirm-gay-marriage-attorney-says.html

    {The Air Force has punished a highly-decorated and respected colonel after he refused to publicly affirm the same-sex spouse of a retiring subordinate.}

    • Replies: @Alden
  122. @anonymous

    True, but quite a few very smart people have difficulty reading and understanding what they have read. Leaving lectures and videos as being about the only way they have of learning anything.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  123. polskijoe says:

    Here are some numbers:

    US Jews

    54 moderate zios
    30 very zionist
    11 little zionist
    5 other

    7/10 pro Israel

    87% care for Israel

    from different sources.

    Im guessing both Liberal and Neocon Jews tend to support Israel.
    Its the Socialist and Paleocon Jews that support less.

  124. The problem with Jews controlling America is not that Americans aren’t aware of it, but that as admirers of Jews, they don’t see anything wrong with it. In fact they prefer it.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Rurik
  125. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C,

    Glad you enjoyed it. Yeah – this dude spent years in the Spokesman’s Office of the IDF – he wasn’t some grunt. He is a PR man, a career PR man for Israel.

    What really pisses me off is this complete disregard for history and the absolute disingenuous way he is engaging the subject and throwing lies. Especially with the “Satan” charge. Their great Rabbi Maimonides already ruled on this many centuries ago – that the Muslims worship Hashem – and therefore Jews can enter into a mosque (and even pray there) because Muslims are considered true monotheists. In contrast, Jews are not supposed to enter churches – this is their classical doctrine:

    http://halachayomit.co.il/en/ReadHalacha.aspx?halachaid=2367

    Doing a search for him on youtube, there are a lot of interviews or speeches he has done with Christians.

    This duplicitous approach from Israeli agents really, really makes my blood boil. It would be one thing if they were just peddling their lies to people in Botswana of something, but this is riling up evangelical Christians into taking part in wars that have extremely bloody consequences.

    Peace.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  126. @Anon-og

    Thank you for your comments as well. It’s a pain trying to deal with the trolls solo!

  127. Talha says:
    @iffen

    LOL! Maybe you can purchase the Avi Lipkin bundle:

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=Dennis+Avi+Lipkin&search-alias=books&field-author=Dennis+Avi+Lipkin&sort=relevancerank

    Tell old IDF-britches that an Ishmaelite sends salaam! Tell him we have his cube – nyah, nyah , nyah! And also…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  128. @Priss Factor

    Thanks for that. Followed your link. This seems quite typical. Make a ton of bucks in some shady business, build a museum or hospital or whatever, and yer now a “philanthropist.”

    What a deal.

    If you’ve ever been to a famous art museum or glanced around a prestigious university, you’ve probably seen a wing or building named after a member of the Sackler family. But many may not know that the family’s fortune comes from selling pharmaceuticals—most notably OxyContin, the addictive painkiller at the center of America’s opioid epidemic.

    Read more: http://forward.com/fast-forward/385375/the-jewish-family-making-billions-from-the-opioid-crisis/

    You probably already know that a grandfather of FDR, Warren Delano II made a fortune or two from running opium derivatives to China on clipper ships an selling narcs to the Union Army in the War Between the States. FDR was “fond” of China. I wonder why. Hated the Japanese too, who were slowly eradicating opium addiction in areas they occupied. Coincidence? Benevolence?

    • Replies: @Alden
  129. @Carroll Price

    True, but quite a few very smart people have difficulty reading and understanding what they have read. Leaving lectures and videos as being about the only way they have of learning anything.

    Pure laziness and lock of curiosity as well as the feeling that they know it all, plus a relative insulation from reality accounts for a very shocking degree of ignorance among the higher IQ types in my experience.

    But what do I know? I’m a dumb goy with an IQ less than that of a flat iron, and I’m supposedly bitter and envious too, and need to read Krugman the Intuitive to get meself ejymukated.

  130. @Talha

    This duplicitous approach from Israeli agents really, really makes my blood boil.

    They seem to positively revel in messing with people simply because they can. Sadistic sickos.

    Someone mentioned this on another PG article and it’s worth knowing about. These people are high grade pathetic. They appear to have scientifically perfected the art of slime to a high degree, and no doubt laugh smugly about it.

    Every one of the 112 pages in the [Luntz] booklet is marked “not for distribution or publication” and it is easy to see why. The Luntz report, officially entitled “The Israel project’s 2009 Global Language Dictionary, was leaked almost immediately to Newsweek Online, but its true importance has seldom been appreciated. It should be required reading for everybody, especially journalists, interested in any aspect of Israeli policy because of its “dos and don’ts” for Israeli spokesmen.
    These are highly illuminating about the gap between what Israeli officials and politicians really believe, and what they say, the latter shaped in minute detail by polling to determine what Americans want to hear.

    -Patrick Cockburn The secret report that helps Israel hide facts

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israel-gaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

    It’s really sad that people are content to hear what they prefer to hear even if it is worthless, self -aggrandizing, sappy mythology.

  131. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Here some photos of Glasgow football/soccer fans waving Palestinian and Israeli flags:

    Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3746130/Celtic-face-UEFA-charge-display-Palestinian-flags-against-Israeli-Hapoel-er-Sheva.html

    Scumbag Glasgow Rangers fans showing their support for the #Zionist state of Israel – Quoting a Twitter user

    Source: http://www.sport.net/celtic-5-1-rangers-moussa-dembele-hits-hat-trick-and-philippe-senderos-is-sent-off-as-brendan-rodgers-side-thrash-bitter-rivals-in-old-firm-derby_530886

    There is an Alt Right meme that has always resonated with me regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the crazy clannishness in the Middle East:

    [MORE]

    Archived link: http://archive.is/CnXG0

    What, in my opinion, Israelis and Palestinians should really worry about, are their fertility rates:

    Source: https://www.thejc.com/comment/analysis/how-the-jewish-baby-boom-weakens-the-two-state-case-1.61255

    Forget Iran. Is the Fertility Rate the Real Threat to Israel’s Existence?

    “I also used to think like this. When I got married, I swear, I wanted six children – one for every million,” he adds, referring to the six million Jews killed in the Holocaust. “But today, I understand that the diametric opposite is the case. If somebody loves the land of Israel but chooses not to take action on this issue now, he’s betraying the country. Anyone who loves this land must strive for stability, so that things will still be good here in another few years.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.783515

  132. Zumbuddi says:

    O/T
    There s a Twitter hash tag going around Me Too
    Women are encouraged to tell about their sexual oppression
    A man dreamed that up

    How about a national Name n Shame week

    Hang a big red P for Predator on the front door of Shadow Weinsteins.

  133. @Andrei Martyanov

    Me too. I had always been skeptical and critical of congress. But it was this spectacle that made me realize that they are scum.

  134. utu says:
    @Carroll Price

    as admirers of Jews

    The admiring is being manufactured by HBD and IQ cultists by spreading the meme of Jewish cognitive superiority and thus them being the rightful elite in the society. The scraps from the table tossed by Derbyshires, Murrays, Cochrans and Sailers to the alt-right deplorables are that they are themselves smarter than Blacks and Mexicans which is the usual divide et impera stratagem schtick but the real beef is in the acceptance of Jewish supremacy meme and affirmation of the current status quo in the so called meritocratic society. The meme goes as follows: Jews are in charge because of higher IQ which is not their fault. Anybody with high IQ can be in charge, right? This meme completely avoids the issue of ethnic activism, nepotism and collusion and other group survival strategies.

  135. chris says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Thanks, Fran, beautiful demonstration of the ad hominem.
    Always a good strategy when out of arguments!
    ( BTW, there’s no one to pat you on the back for this here)

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
  136. A perfect, essential tour de force of journalistic professionalism by the inimitable Phil Giraldi. Thanks to him and to unz.com! At the end of the day and every day, please remember: Palestine Is Still THE Issue!

  137. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Macadam

    Hey desperate, unhinged Zionist, Fran, this coming down the tracks:

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/antisemitism-weaponised/

    Yep, were so demented that you cannot refute us.

    [MORE]

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ridiculous ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the ‘holocaust’ storyline.
    And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.
    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    http://www.codoh.com

    BTW: It’s you who is in denial:

    Supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

  138. Wally says:
    @utu

    To no surprise, like the fake ’6M’, their “genius” icon that is pounded down our throats 24/7, was a fraud.

    http://coconutrevival.com/?p=5656

    and

    and
    Einstein, plagiarist of the century

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm

    • Replies: @utu
  139. FKA Max says: • Website
    @renfro

    The link you shared seems to be broken: http://worldpublicopinion.net/international-poll-most-publics-including-americans-oppose-taking-sides-in-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

    I wonder why the Indians are so relatively pro-Israel? This might be the reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus#During_Islamic_rule_of_the_Indian_sub-continent

    Interesting read:

    Clash of Civlizations: A Hindu Response

    The clash of civilizations that Huntington predicts was foreseen by Bipin Chandra Pal more than a hundred years ago in the book “Nationality and Empire”. Pal predicted that Hindu civilization will side with the Judeo-Christian West in its war against Islamic and Chinese civilizations. Pal proposed his theories despite the fact that he considered the West as the greatest danger to humanity. He was a great admirer of Islam’s spiritual values. Pal thought that Islam was going to be influential through its power of propaganda and not through war, but he was scared of Islam’s political manipulation. He foresaw the dangers of political Islam, which he considered an aberration. Pal is not on Huntington’s reading list, or if he has read him, he is not telling us.
    [...]
    So, in conclusion, it is important to be aware of the designs of the world’s two most aggressive religions – Christianity and Islam – and the world’s most aggressive mono-atheism – Marxism. They are still the important markers in the civilizational divides and the aggressive nationalism of the Chinese is a close second.

    http://dharmacivilization.com/2012/12/149/

    Source: https://blogs.harvard.edu/mesh/2008/01/clashing_civilizations_revisited/

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  140. anon • Disclaimer says:

    An excellent article. I would suggest that Philip Giraldi use a term like AFI..Advocates For Israel, to describe the people who perpetrate these shenanigans affecting our governance. There are lots of ways that people think they’re ‘Jews’ and lots of ways that people think about what a ‘Jew’ is. So, especially given that it’s such a laden term, I think he’d do better to address himself specifically to the characters he’s talking about at all times and leave the unintentional wide brush shorthand behind.
    People hold a lot of individual concepts about the term ‘Jew’ and a lot of misery has been contributed to by failure to ask the question “what do you mean by ‘Jew’?”
    Judaism is of course a religion, and people also identify with cultures that have been associated with it, and some are members of ethnic groups that have historically been closely associated with that religion.
    One can no more be born a Jew than a bricklayer or truck driver – even though that bricklayer or truck driver can decide they’re a Jew if they choose to.
    There are a lot of differences between people who self-identify as Jews, so that’s what I try to say to keep my thinking clear – ‘people who self-identify as being Jewish’.
    This may seem a little strained, but I think in light of the fact that the term ‘Jew’ is so unspecific in itself, it’s worth the effort to make clear that no matter whomever is being referred to, this single term tells nothing of any detail about them while simultaneously lighting up whatever concepts the word is associated with in one’s brain.
    With unexamined, generalized and thus poorly understood terms, caution is in order.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @silviosilver
  141. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    as this great nation crumbles

    Even though I would love to see this in my lifetime, I do not wish to jinx it by seemingly agreeing to its inevitability. No doubt the Evil Empire and its minions have many evil schemes up their evil sleeves to delay this sublime outcome for decades and centuries.

    As much as the white race would love to believe that the evil perpetuated by their race of peoples, was/is being done under the evil influence of the Jooies, it is simply delusional on their part.

    The white race will always be the masters of Greed and Psychopathy, with or without Jooie machinations.

    That said, the white race opened the Zionist Pandora’s box, so I pray to God, that they be the ones who pay most dearly for it.

  142. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Tonge,_Baroness_Tonge

    A Liberal Democrat councillor and for a time MP, her party found her too hot to handle because of heat she was getting for a pro-Palestinian stance. She is an Independent in the House of Lords now. It demonstrates the Lobby’s reach, although it did not entirely terminate her political career. The LDs certainly caved in to pressure.

  143. @utu

    I agree!

    It reeks of “supremacism.”

    Same goes for the transparent farces, the various “prizes, ” one of the most obvious being O-bomb-a’s “Peace” Prize. If that didn’t expose the farce, nothing did and nothing will.

    Here’s Walter Lippman, (Jewish), who although as flawed as anyone (IQ notwithstanding), recognized the “tests” for what they were.

    “One has only to read around in the literature of the subject, but more especially in the work of popularizers like McDougall and Stoddard, to see how easily the Intelligence test can be turned into an engine of cruelty, how easily in the hands of blundering or prejudiced men it could turn into a method of stamping a permanent sense of inferiority upon the soul of a child.

    - Walter Lippmann, The Abuse of the Tests, The New Republic, November 15, 1922, p. 297 –

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/NewRepublic-1922nov15-00297

    • Replies: @utu
  144. @utu

    Another illustration of the farcical nature of the various “Prizes” is the fact that the neo-Keynesian, Paul Krugman, has been anointed with both a Nobel Prize and a Pulitzer Prize.

    I’ve been informed, by a supposedly high IQ snarkmeister and all around Nobel-level joker, that the establishment ( surprise!!) scribbler is highly regarded among his colleagues because he’s “intuitive,” and he also admires Hume, and that because he supposedly preaches that debt is good, I should read his drivel to educate myself.

    As dumb a goy as I am, I started laughing at his simplistic nostrums decades ago, just before I quit wasting my time reading his industrial grade garbage.

    That’s what passes as “superior.” What a joke. Those things mean about as much as the pretty multicolored ribbons and shiny Christmas tree ornaments draped on general’s unis, or an “A” at Hawvawd.

    But of course, that’s envy talking; what else could it be? Do they award Nobels for jealousy? Can I nominate myself?

  145. @chris

    With fans like these to shoot him in the foot, Phil needs no enemies. Associating them with him is in itself a kind of weaponized ad hominem anti-antisemitism. The objective is to discredit needed foreign policy correctives.

    Those who haven’t experienced flattery don’t realize how it can overpower judgment. Those who practice it exploit the objects of their flattery for their own purposes to the detriment of the interests and objectives of those they flatter.

    And some comments are so unhinged, that they can only represent the distorted fantasies of what hasbarists imagine legitimate critics of deeply flawed Likud policies to be, whom they are attempting to impersonate. Shamir’s relating of the doxxing through an impersonation website is indeed a case in point as to how these smears work, sometimes with the collusion of social media gatekeepers.

    • Agree: chris
  146. “I hear the U.S. is having problems with foreign interference these days, so I see no reason why the U.S. establishment won’t take our findings in America as seriously as the British did,”
    Had to laugh when I read this.Lets see what happens when the documentary is released . I am actually looking forward to this exposure .maybe wake some people up.

  147. @utu

    The admiring is being manufactured by HBD and IQ cultists by spreading the meme of Jewish cognitive superiority and thus them being the rightful elite in the society.

    I seldom agree with you, but this is spot on. I have vast first hand experience not only with “smart” Jews but with, and a majority, of many of them, including with very high IQs being a complete dumbfvcks, totally ignorant and lacking any serious intellectual capability, not to speak of being cultured in a broader sense.

    This meme completely avoids the issue of ethnic activism, nepotism and collusion and other group survival strategies.

    Completely true. Enough to take a look at neocons and WASPies leaking their boots–a panopticon of bellicose mediocrity at best, at worst… people who have no clue. Results speak volumes.

    • Replies: @utu
  148. Rurik says:
    @jilles dykstra

    All these things are known for a long time for those interested.
    The problem is how to end it.

    End the Fed !

    if congress could muster the courage to audit the Fed, then when people see just how corrupt this demonic institution is, there’d be a howl to end it.

    the power of the Zionist and Marxist (Hollywood and ironically Wall Street type) Jews is the power of the purse, but the Fed pumps in trillions of dollars to these and other snake holes of corruption.

    This money allows them to purchase everything of consequence. Resistance is futile. Even Ted Turner had to hand over his baby, CNN to the synagogue of Satan.

    YouTube was similarly absorbed

    as long as they have unlimited access to the US Treasury, and can loan out hundreds of billions of dollars interest free to their buddies, and control the nation’s credit, they’re going to dominate everything.

    the only way out is straight though the Fed. Either we figure out a way to end it, or as night follows day, it will end us.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  149. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    a more grave threat to the very existence of Western man

    The western man this, the western man that… For racist deluded scum like you everything is about the western man, the perceived true inheritors of the earth.

    I suppose even the Sun rises and sets the way it does, in deference to the greatness of the western man?

    But remember, deluded thing, the most grave threat to the entire human race, even the fucking cursed western man, is the western man.

    Capice, you idiot!!

  150. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    Will Americans allow themselves to be lied into another Middle East war?

    I don’t think so Geo

    I feel that would be a bridge too far for the beleaguered American people

    we voted for Trump to end the evil wars, not to burden us (and the rest of the people of the planet) with more of them.

    if Trump decided to actually start a war with Iran, (and this ‘theater of the absurd’ isn’t all bluster to maintain a sense of fear in the populace, as I’m convinced it is) then all the world would need to do is shut down the ZUS economy.

    A war with Iran would prove for all the world to see that the ZUS is a menace to the people of the planet, and MUST be stopped at all cost.

    The world dodged a bullet when Hillary was sent packing, and I don’t see how we can collectively countenance a Trump administration that morphs into a Hillary-type of regime.

    Instead of cheers at his rallies, he’d be met with dagger-eyed former supports who would feel justifiably betrayed, and none too happy about it. The deplorables and irredeemables would be looking at Kathy Griffin as our new mascot.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  151. iffen says:
    @Talha

    LOL! Maybe you can purchase the Avi Lipkin bundle:

    No way! It’s bogus!

    No prayer cloth included; not even a small cross made from Palestinian olive tree wood.

  152. Rurik says:
    @animalogic

    I can’t think of one that approaches the sheer profundity of the toxic embrace the Zionists have cover the US & west generally.

    Is there a historical parallel ?

    yes, there is

    Bolshevik Russia

    the International Jewish banking interests funded (ironically) a Marxist take over of the Russian nation, and used it to genocide the best of the Christian people under their Satanic and sadistic domination.

    this tiny handful of people- as Churchill described it, had the Russian people by the hair of the head, and created a massive prison camp that used to be Russia, and then took to menacing their neighbors and even the planet with their otherworldly hatred and demands for ‘equality’, while they made cozy with the world’s most corrupt ((International banking interests)).

    so anyways, Putin has wrested control of Russia from them, and now they’re over here.

    one reason for optimism is the Weinstein brouhaha. Harvey was a ‘made man’ in our modern day Weimar republic (another perfect example of an historic parallel !), so anyways… Weinstein is supposed to be untouchable, and has been for decades. It was simply part of our dynamic here in the good ol’ ZUS of A.

    But now all in the sudden he’s cut loose, and the institutional corruption that kept a serial predator like him protected- has vanished, almost like a miracle.

    what’s next? An actual Pizzagate investigation?!

    hope springs eternal

  153. @Priss Factor

    Dear Priss Factor,

    I am “collateral damage” example of the raging & immoral (painkiller) Opioid abuse crisis.

    Perhaps you’re aware about (my?) embarrased ZUSA Rep. Tom Marino’s (R./Oxy) withdrawal from the president’ s Drug Czar. (Sigh) Oh well… sometimes the D.C. “swamp” gets drained by simple shame?

    Had no clue about the Sackler family business and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for providing the scary Sackler Family (article) link!

    (Sigh) Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein responded to a Trump Tweet, and said, “I am very concerned about it,” and he plans to review whether the DEA needs “more tools” to carry out its mission.” Tools, eh? More “tools” needed to solve a government problem that originates in the lack of elected politicians lack of a conscience?
    Phooey!

    Selah More ZUSA Dept. of Offense Money (“tool”) Allocation For The Defense of Aggression Addicted Israel?

  154. Rurik says:
    @The Alarmist

    So how is using money we give them as foreign aid … … to lobby our legislators not a form of money laundering?

    if only it was that benign

    the billions go to Israel in foreign aid, and then come straight back through AIPAC to slather on the whores on Capital Hill.

    I wonder if any of it actually leaves these shores, or whether they simply hand the cash straight over to AIPAC who inject it straight back to the US Senate and goys like Paul Ryan and Nancy Pelosi. I suppose it’d be more efficient that way.

  155. Zumbuddi says:
    @Rurik

    You make a wry good point.

    Brannon did his best trying to mobilize evangelicals — “Judeo Christians” — the “defenders of western civilization ” w/ capital in Jerisalem, to wage war on Iran. Bing for Values Voters Summit aka joodao luv fest, Islam & Iran hatefest.

  156. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    written journalism is both more efficient (in terms of the audience’s time) and effective than talk-radio-on-camera?

    it depends, IMHO

    sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words

    and a well-done video can convey quite a bit if it’s succinct

  157. schmenz says:
    @jacques sheete

    That’s where all this gets maddening. Most Americans relied and still rely on their 5th grade US history texts as the infallible source of the truth. For example, on my little blog I sometimes get into these matters and when I do my readership statistics drops like a stone. They don’t want to know. They cannot accept, I suppose, that they’ve been bamboozled all their lives.

    I wish I could give you an answer to your question. We can hope that as more people get onto non-MSM websites the truth may slowly begin to sink in. It would be possible presumably for a knowledgeable person to snag a local TV interview but I imagine that would take some doing.

  158. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    No disagreement on either point. I was addressing the 25 tedious minutes of “fu**ing unreal, man” from people dressed in T-shirts.

  159. @utu

    With little doubt, it also has a lot to do with Christian religious teachings regarding Jews as being the chosen ones, the apple of God’s eye, etc. etc. Here in the Bible belt, uttering a comment critical of Jews, is worse than suggesting one’s mother is a whore, and that’s putting it lightly. Some people claim that the worship of Jews by fundamentalist Christians (along with the acceptance of Israel as their rightful homeland) is due to the 1917 publication of the annotated Schofield Bible, which elevated Jews from their formally accepted role as the killers of Christ, to the chosen ones. In any case, the release of the Schofield version of the King James Bible (WW 1 followed by the Balfour Resolution leading to the creation of Israel) fits in nicely with the role Jews played, and continue to play in former and current events.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._I._Scofield

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
    • Replies: @utu
  160. @Fran Macadam

    Other than your own, will you kindly point out a single “unhinged” comment on this thread?

  161. @Carroll Price

    Thanks Carroll – Fran is getting a bit tedious and repetitive but here at unz we do nurture free speech

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
  162. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    Wow Talha,

    that’s some pretty amazing stuff there!

    if you don’t have the time to watch the whole thing, just check it out from 16:13 to 17:33

    the Jewish God loves the Christians and the Hindus and blacks, they’re “the apple of His eye”, and He loves the Muslims too! All are equal in the eyes of the Jewish God.

    and then the irony as he talks about how these people lie as a virtue, and then lie to each other, as the two of them are sitting there lying to each other

    LOL

    (now I know why I’m so cynical when it comes to religious hypocrisy)

    Peace

    • Replies: @Talha
  163. “Al-Jazeera also had a second undercover reporter injected in the Israel Lobby.”

    Phil,

    The news above left me disappointed with The Lobby’s vetting process. Maybe I overrate their skill set?

    Perhaps (conceivably) the Brit “intern” Kleinfeld’s US Lobby infiltration was deceptively planned by Mossad in order to neutralize the damage done by the facts on display in your informative / volatile article?

    I don’t trust the mothers and if the (anticipated) Kleinfeld news is not fake, The Lobby’s Damage Control function is ready to roll.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for tuning in.

  164. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    She [Abby Martin] is sharp, indeed.

    she’s more than just sharp Geo, I can hardly stand to watch her. I want to reduce my molecules to binary bits and send them through the Ethernet cable to co-mingle with the digital, cyber image on the screen.

    JR – And why is it supported by the US?

    AM – I don’t know. I think the US loves using Israel as a military garrison. They love using that strategic point in the Middle East to have…

    ..Abby pulls out the Noam Chomsky canard of US imperialism. What a joke! You don’t think she may have intentionally been trying to dupe The Dumb Goyim, do you?

    good question

    I don’t think she’s Jewish, but I have seen her flail with erroneous perspectives from time to time. Like when she berated Vladimir Putin for allowing Crimea to return home to Russia.

    Perhaps she’s not as intelligent as she is OMG luscious

    sad, I just checked and she’s a sell out shill

    Martin told the Associated Press in March 2014 that she “no longer subscribes” to the theory that 9/11 was an inside job as she did earlier.[20]

  165. iffen says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    tedious and repetitive

    What would writing about the same subject with more or less the same facts, week in and week out, be called?

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  166. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    Hey Rurik,

    Yeah – this guys has his whole shtick down. I have heard him use phrases and parts from that little clip you mentioned on multiple interviews.

    “Wow” is right actually – there are elements in Israel so demented and power hungry that they want to go to war (well actually have the US go to war) with the entire Muslim world (because that is what going after Makkah and Madinah would likely trigger) so they can extend their real estate.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  167. @Fran Macadam

    With fans like these to shoot him in the foot, Phil needs no enemies. Associating them with him is in itself a kind of weaponized ad hominem anti-antisemitism. The objective is to discredit needed foreign policy correctives.

    I’ll give you that some (few) are, indeed, unhinged but there is a lot of substance also in comments and by far not all people posting are unhinged. But what I cannot give you is the fact that needed “corrections” to foreign policy could be made without complete removal of primarily Jewish geopolitical and strategic “scholarship” from the position of power in the US. The problem today is more than just of some specifics which need to be “corrected” (I am almost tempted to use the voice of the guy from bathroom speaking to Jack Nicholson in Shining), the problem is metaphysical–it is fundamental. Almost whole US foreign (and military) policy had been subverted and put to the service of the state of Israel through US Jewish (at least most of them) elite in US. US culture in general is being put to service of Israel. The Holocaust industry in US is also despicable. You also have to remember that Phil never spoke only about “Jews”, recall his excellent piece on what he brilliantly described as “Old Testament Armed Forces”.

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
  168. @iffen

    Gosh iffen you don’t have to tune in here do you? I would think if you are bored you can always go read the Weekly Standard or even the AIPAC blog.

    • Replies: @iffen
  169. “what happens to your career when you appear to be critical of Israel.”

    Well the Israelis didn’t like Obama much, but they couldn’t overcome the love of left-liberal diaspora Jews for him.

  170. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Uebersetzer

    “One of plaintiffs, who had called for critics of Israel to “die in a hole” and had personally offered to “take down” a Labour Party official, responded bitterly. She said that the Ofcom judgment would serve as a “precedent for the infringement of privacy of any Jewish person involved in public life.”
    That was Jewish Labour Movement director and former Israeli embassy officer Ella Rose.

    Well. Helen Thomas was an old and honorable woman and highly respected American journalist when a weasel of Jewish persuasion had a private conversation with her and then made this private conversation public. Mrs. Thomas was almost 90 years old but this did not stop the vicious tribe from hounding her and from making her fired for the alleged anti-semitism.
    “In May 2010 Thomas was approached by Rabbi David Nesenoff with a camcorder outside the White House asking about her opinion on Israel. Thomas replied “I think they should get the hell out of Palestine”, and when the Rabbi furthered his questions, and asked where she thought Israelis should go, Thomas said that they should go home to Poland, Germany and other countries where they came from.” “What I meant was they should stay where they are because they’re not being persecuted—not since World War II, not since 1945,” she said.
    She was ostracized by most of her former colleagues and only a few reporters did stand by her.” http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/03/19/142174.html

  171. iffen says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Gosh iffen you don’t have to tune in here do you? I would think if you are bored you can always go read the Weekly Standard or even the AIPAC blog.

    I am not bored. Just because someone is mistaken in their approach to a subject does not mean that I cannot learn from them.

    I would very much like to see these warmongers replaced and weakened. I would very much like to understand exactly how they accomplish their objectives. I wish you all the success in getting at them.

    I thought that I made an important observation here that shows the MSM leads the interventionist brigades and do not even try and fake objectivity anymore.

    iffen says:
    October 17, 2017 at 12:47 pm GMT
    NPR Morning Edition 10/17/17
    Rachel Martin talks to Vahil Ali, the communications director for the Kurdish president.
    In which she tries to steer him into calling for armed American intervention in Kurdistan to resist the Iranian sponsored militia.

    David Greene interviewed Monovithya Kem.

    This is a quote from her:

    The Cambodian government has now been receiving unprecedented support from China, which is why the U.S. has been a target of attack … for over a year now. Perhaps the U.S. lack of engagement in the region sends a signal to other places that it’s okay for them [China] to take over.

    GREENE: Do you want and need help from the United States right now?

    Now that is taxpayers’ money at work!

    Wait! Are you okay with that China pivot thing?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  172. @iffen

    (Sigh) Little iffen-iffen to P.G.: “Are you okay with that China pivot thing?”

    Oh man, you are a dumber-dumb goy… even more so than I had initially figured.

    (Sigh) What really matters is the fact that The Goldman Sachs Group is “okay” with the American Israeli Empire’s pivot east!

    Selah Trump Administration Treasury Secretary Mnuchin & Chief Economic Advisor Cohn.

  173. Alden says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Absolutely right about the State Department and people like me and you being aware for decades. Way back in the late 1940s the Jews destroyed the careers of Forrestal, Ball and others who objected to Israel.

    In fact the Jews may have killed Forrestal. My opinion isn’t may have killed but just plain killed

    America is not a democracy. It’s an oligarchy with Jews at the top ruling everything.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  174. chris says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Sorry Fran, I completely DISAGREE with this and with your previous comment.

    Answer Wally’s question with an argument if you have one; don’t try to ostracize him with smears.

    I apreciate you looking out for Phil, but who put you in charge of censoring this forum?
    At the heart of every do-gooder on a crusade to improve everyone is a proto-totalitarian out to impose his will on them.

    • Agree: Alden
  175. renfro says:
    @Carroll Price

    Well I’ll amend my instructions….”IF’ you are retired or don’t need a job then the TRAITOR movement is up to you.
    I guess I tend to think those spending time on politics here have graduated from the working world.
    Still, in your private conversations you can pass on what you think of politicians who put Israel ahead of the US

  176. chris says:
    @utu

    This meme completely avoids the issue of ethnic activism, nepotism and collusion and other group survival strategies.

    Very good point; among the “other strategies,” threatening and bullying are the weapons of choice.

  177. renfro says:
    @anon

    As I have said before its perfectly legitimate to hold two views on Jews…..one can have a good opinion of individual Jews and a negative opinion of the ‘Tribal group’.

    • Agree: Rurik, L.K
  178. chris says:

    In the whole issue of the siege of Quatar, I wonder (rhetorically) if the Saudi condition demanding the closing of Al Jazeera was in any way related to the British undercover film and the upcoming one about AIPAC [or more aptly named IPAC].

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  179. JackOH says:

    FWIW-I’m sort of torn between Fran’s moderation and other folks’, uh, enthusiasm. At the end of the day, Phil is the guy who seems to me unfairly taken down, and Phil’s voice may/is a check on the coming war with Iran. IOW-let a hundred flowers bloom if it’ll help Phil get back more D. C. cred.

  180. @Alden

    There’s reasons to believe General George Patton’s name should also be added to the long list of troublesome individuals who died suddenly under mysterious circumstances relating to accidents and suicides never fully investigated.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  181. utu says:
    @Carroll Price

    You are right. Protestants of evangelical variety were heavily indoctrinated into believing that Jews were the chosen ones which was in conflict with obligation to proselytize and convert the heathens. Basically it amounted to de facto rejection of the new convenient brought by New Testament. It is reasonable to assume that the evangelical heresy is lost for Christianity.

    In case of Catholic Church it is more complicated and nuanced. But in last few years it was decided that Jews will no longer be sought for conversion and that they can get salvation by their own means within Judaism. And also JPII addressed Jews as the elder brothers in faith and it was taken, possibly out of context, as Jewish superiority in religious matters. There is a lot of activism going on the front of “Judaization” of the RCC. I think that the defeat of the RCC is the Holy Grail of Jewish activism that is being sought for many centuries.

    The target audience of the HBD and IQ narrative is not Christian and certainly not Catholic. This narrative is strongly promulgated on this site. This includes Sailler, Derbyshire, Thompson. Belief in IQ is de rigueur at unz.com. The intended target are chiefly younger men of libertarian tendencies. They are to be the shock troops and the future cannon fodder for the neoliberal NWO. Additional injection of Islamophobia to the Jewish supremacism is meant to produce Weltanshauung that overlooks intricacies of political shenanigans of Israel in the Middle East. Basically this is the programming for atheists and agnostics.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  182. utu says:
    @jacques sheete

    how easily the Intelligence test can be turned into an engine of cruelty, how easily in the hands of blundering or prejudiced men it could turn into a method of stamping a permanent sense of inferiority upon the soul of a child

    Perfect for the neoliberal NWO. Unscrupulousness with a solid dose of sadism is the ticket for the career in this NWO.

  183. @utu

    Anybody with high IQ can be in charge, right?

    Well, no that ain’t right. At least not according to ANTIFA leftist who condemn high-IQ white people (only Gentiles mind you) for advocating white supremacy.

    • Replies: @Avery
  184. anon • Disclaimer says:

    It should be recalled that in 1993, as Israel and the Palestinians signed the Oslo accords on the White House lawn, the watching world assumed the aim was to create a Palestinian state.

    But it seems most US politicians never received that memo. Under pressure from Israel’s powerful lobbyists, the US Congress hurriedly passed legislation to pre-empt the peace process. One such law compels the United States to cancel funding to any UN body that admits the Palestinians. http://mondoweiss.net/2017/10/reasons-quitting-unesco/

    The Great Lobby at works always at works Doesnt sleep. Doesn’t help the benefactor and lies doenst know how to behave in civilized way how to keep promise
    No wonder they tweeted that Iran Decertification was a great overdue long past overdue deal

  185. @jilles dykstra

    All these things are known for a long time for those interested.
    The problem is how to end it.
    I do not see how, in a democracy.

    (1). Eliminate so-called “dual citizenship” or at minimum eliminate voting rights and political activism by any who hold foreign citizenship
    (2). Eliminate all political funding by non-citizens including PACs and corporations
    (3). Limit voting among citizens solely to those who pay more in tax than they receive in any form from government
    (4). Criminalize foreign lobbying
    (5). Limit citizen financing/lobbying to a rational number to minimize the influence of the billionaires ($25,000/person/yr total?)

    You could take this much further with restrictions like:
    (A). Limit suffrage to natural born citizens
    (B). Limit suffrage to third generation natural born citizens
    (C). Define natural born citizens as having two natural born citizen parents
    Etc

    The problem is not democracy since we theoretically have a representative republic. The problem is (1) our treasonous Courts and (2) our treasonous legislators and executive. Nevertheless, the reason our system is so completely rotten is ultimately that our citizenry is too stupid and continually returns traitors like John McCain et al to office.

  186. Alden says:
    @Malla

    Problem is, about 20 percent of Israeli Jewish citizens live in the US. They are mostly Mizrahi wanting to get away from the discrimination against them in Israel. Many are Mizrahi Mafia with warrants out in Israel. They are mostly in Florida and California. They are into all sorts of fraud and scams.

    I assume some Israeli Jews live Europe, Australia etc. so they refuse to stay in their little heaven on earth.

    I’m proud to boast that I managed to get 4 Mizrahi Mafia pimp sex trafficker HI B visa fraud guys deported back to Israel. I quietly gathered evidence and when I had enough called the State Departmen sex trafficking unit. It was State, not FBI that deported them back to Israel.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  187. utu says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I seldom agree with you, but this is spot on. I should say thank but your approval makes me wonder if I might be incorrect.

    What is your take on AK? What is his mission in Russia? Is the spreading of IQ gospel part of it? Who is paying for it?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  188. anon • Disclaimer says:

    A representative of the Kurdish Peshmerga forces told an Israeli media outlet on Tuesday that “all our friends have abandoned us” and blamed the US for “ultimately helping Iran conquer” the city of Kirkuk in northern Iraq.
    Trump’s neutrality has drawn sharp criticism from leading US politicians, including Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-AZ), Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Marco Rubio (R-FL), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. All three legislators separately condemned the Iraqi government

    “We cannot forget the Iranian regime provides cash, weapons, training, and military orders to Shia militias that are right now near Kirkuk,” Rubio added, highlighting Iran’s central role in the assault. Meanwhile, Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ), a longstanding ally of the Kurds in the House of Representatives, challenged Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to “prove Baghdad is not the puppet of Tehran” by halting the Kirkuk operation, warning that he would otherwise advocate for the suspension of US funding to Iraq “as it cannot in good conscience send money to an Iranian patsy working to subvert American interests.”

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/10/17/us-helping-iran-conquer-kirkuk-kurdish-military-official-tells-israeli-news-outlet/

    3 puppets are looking into a mirror but couldn’t recognize themselves . The Lobby has done a great job

  189. Alden says:
    @The Alarmist

    I’ve thought about that. American taxpayers give money to foreign governments. The foreign governments use some of that money to lobby our despicable congress critters for more of the tax payers money.

    Q. What is foreign aid?

    A. 1. Foreign aid is a transfer of money from the working class of the first world to the aristocrats of the turd world.

    A. 2. Foreign aid is direct deposit for dictators.

  190. Avery says:
    @Carroll Price

    {….who condemn high-IQ white people (only Gentiles mind you) for advocating white supremacy.}

    Well, you might be right.

    But from what I have read and heard (vids), ‘whites’ do not advocate white supremacy: they demand due recognition of accomplishments of European ancestry peoples (whites?), including those in these United States of America, and demand a stop to denigration and vilification of whites as a group: vilification – just because they are white.

    At least that’s the way I see it.

  191. Alden says:
    @utu

    Average Israeli IQ is 95.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  192. @Carroll Price

    never fully investigated.

    Not true. Ladislas Farago (CIA officer) points directly to Wehrmacht officers who conceived and spread those rumors of Patton’s “murder”. Farago wrote an excellent account in his Last Days Of Patton. It is a very important book, despite the fact of Farago trying to withhold irresistible emotions. So, I wouldn’t add Patton to anything.

  193. @utu

    I should say thank but your approval makes me wonder if I might be incorrect.

    Then disregard my approval. Per AK, I prefer to speak unplesantries to the face, not discuss people behind their backs.

    • Replies: @utu
  194. Alden says:
    @jacques sheete

    So you believe that wounded soldiers suffering terrible agony should not be given painkillers?

    I assume you believe that surgery and amputations on wounded soldiers should be carried out without anesthesia or pain killers?

    So you believe that surgery should be carried out without anesthesia?

    I hope you are not a surgeon , physician, nurse therapist or have anything to do with the medical profession.

  195. Alden says:
    @Avery

    He was on the verge of promotion to general and will never get that promotion.

  196. Alden says:
    @renfro

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say WASPS are allied with Jews. But I always thought that affirmative action was a joint WASP Jew effort to keep middle class Protestants and Catholics down by eliminating merit qualifications

    I hate the term WASP. It’s actually a perjorative like wop or dirty mick hillbilly White trash or pollack. It was actually WASP hating Jews that invented the term. And it’s not a nice term. Wasps are nasty insects. They could have come up with NEPE, Northern European Protestant Elite or something not a nasty insect.

    Supposedly in 1936 Bnai Brith came out with a statement that the reformation was created by Jews to split Christendom. It sounds unbelievable but the early Protestants really dove into the Old Testament and rejected the Christian part.

    Angles and Saxons are a teeny tiny part of the European population. There are far more Protestants of German and other British ethnicities than just Anglos and Saxons.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  197. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Then A bunch of details are offered to “prove” that the Arabian desert belongs to Jews. Anyone remember those details?

    it’s actually quite simple S2C, if you watch the video at 4:12, he explains that ownership of any land is determined by whether or not the sole of a Jewish foot has stepped there. If it has, the land belongs to Israel/the Jews. I didn’t make that up. Check it out.

  198. Alden says:
    @Jake

    The English even claim that the Stone of Scone is the actual stone that that crazy old coot in the bible was supposed to use to kill his son because another crazy old coot who lives up in the sky told him to kill his son After one crazy old coot told another crazy old coot to let the son live,some angels picked up the stone and flew to Scotland with it.

    Whereupon the warlord that ruled Scotland at the time appropriated it for his throne.. Centuries later the English conquered Scotland and brought it to Westiminister abbey. That stone now sits under the throne in the abbey where the English sovereign sits after being crowned.

    Jake is right, there was an incredible amount of Old Testament Jew and Zionist worship among English Protestants in the 19th century. It was like the American southern Protestant worship of Jews today.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  199. Alden says:
    @renfro

    Jake’s position is not all wrong about the English zionists and Jews, Cromwell, William and Mary, establishment of the Jewish Bank of England after James 2 was overthrown by William and Mary and the English Jewish alliance first formed in the 1630s and solidified in 1689.

    One needs to know British history to understand

  200. utu says:
    @Wally

    Einstein, plagiarist of the century

    It seems there is good circumstantial evidence that he plagiarized at various points of his career. However, according to French physicists C. Marchal Poincare relativity theory was plagiarized by German mathematicians from Gottingen in June 1905 and Einstein was merely the front man who was made to publish it under his name because German mathematicians did not want to risk their reputations. It was a part of French German competition and pissing match in all possible areas including science that eventually culminated in the WWI. Only later Jewish and Zionists media apotheosized Einstein and since then the cult of Einstein was kept alive and one can easily imagine that a major cleansing of archives also took place.

    http://web.ihep.su/library/pubs/tconf05/ps/c5-1.pdf

    It seems that some French and also some Russians physicists openly question Einstein priority in formulating the special relativity theory (SRT). French papers on the subjects are virtually unknown in the anglophone world. However in my opinion Einstein both expanded and tightened up the work of Poincare though all ideas are already in Poincare’s papers. As far as the general relativity theory (GRT) there is the question whether Hilbert took some result from Einstein or vice versa. Several years ago Max Planck Institute decided that it was the first case, however there are very arguments that it was Einstein who lifted an equation from Hilbert.

    There is however one solid proof of Einstein plagiarizing later in his career. In 1927 Einstein’s publication “Zu Kaluzas Theorie des Zusammenhanges von Gravitation und Elektrizitat” the editor Madel forced Einstein to write acknowledgement: “I was informed by Mr. Mandel that presented by me results are not new. The whole content of my work can be found in O. Klein 1926… paper”. Question is why he was permitted to publish it in the first place? Furthermore later it was found that in the 1926 letter to Ehrenfest Einstein wrote “Klein’s work is beautiful and impressive…”, so clearly he was familiar with Klein’s work before publishing his 1927 paper.

    Till the end of his life he denied a prior knowledge of Poincare and Lorentz works. However in English publication of his famous 1905 paper in early 1920s he acknowledged that the transforms he derived were done before him by Lorentz. There is one possible indication that something was lifted directly from Poincare. Poincare uses mathematical argument and strictly mathematical notion that a given transform forms an algebraic group. The same statement w/o a proof is in Einstein 1905 paper. Poincare was famous and accomplished mathematicians who actually studied mathematical algebras such as groups which at that time were not really commonly known to physicist.

  201. Alden says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Farrago was a pro Israel propagandist. I don’t believe a word he said about Patton or anything else.

    Neither will I say for sure that Jews killed Patton. But his death, like Forrestal’s was SOP for an organization to get rid of an opponent.

  202. utu says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Then disregard my approval. – No, I am taking it. I attempted and apparently failed to be funny. AK is a public person, but I understand.

  203. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price

    The problem with Jews controlling America is not that Americans aren’t aware of it, but that as admirers of Jews, they don’t see anything wrong with it. In fact they prefer it.

    I don’t know Carr0ll, I suspect that most of the cud chewers (98% of the voting public) haven’t the slightest clue how completely and absolutely Jews dominate our media (and courts and banking and universities and politics…). They think goys like Dubya or Obama are their own men, who decide things like going to war with Iraq or destroying Libya as the decisions of presidents, rather than a cabal of Jewish Zionists behind the scenes.

    Not one in ten women who voted for Hillary had any idea she is a whore of Zion. Not one in ten people I know who voted for Bush knew he too was a whore of Zion.

    part of the insidious nature of the control Jews wield over our nation and culture and very destiny, is that almost no one is even aware of it.

    That is one of the very reasons articles like this one are so crucial. Because as the zios squirm under the sunlight of truth, they lash out, and by lashing out, only demonstrate how right Mr. Giraldi is.

    Valerie Plame is experiencing the full force of Jewish wrath right now, because she told the truth.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/opinion/valerie-plame-anti-semitism.html

    and as more people are crucified, more and more people will notice who the modern day Pharisees are as they demand their pounds of flesh.

    But I don’t think many people are aware of just how insidious and all-pervasive this power actually is.

  204. RobinG says:
    @Alden

    What have you got against wasps? They are extremely beneficial and underappreciated members of the insect family. Not known for stinging people, they are notably predatory on larval stage pest insects. (They’re an efficient control agent for green tomato hornworm.)

    Your unpleasant experiences are more likely with hornets or ground bees. Even the beloved European honeybee is more threatening that a wasp. My childhood was punctuated with stings on bare feet in clover.

    • Replies: @Alden
  205. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    How Israel manipulates US

  206. @Rurik

    This verifies the maxim that a picture is worth a thousand words.

  207. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    Hey Talha,

    so they can extend their real estate.

    I suspect that if they could get the West to fight an existential war with Islam, they’d do it even if they didn’t get an inch of land out of the carnage.

    They’d simply love to see their enemies (all non-Jews) butcher each other, for the shear pleasure of seeing all that suffering and misery and death.

    It is written’

    Peace

  208. @Alden

    Which reminds me of a favorite quote:

    “If a man today were to follow the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he followed the teachings of the New, he would be insane.” — Robert G. Ingersoll

  209. @Bardon Kaldian

    Sorry. I could not open the link in the article – hence the conclusion

  210. Alden says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Are you a White American or a citizen of another country? No one manipulated Trump into the presidency.

    We White Americans voted him in because the democrats hate us and have hated us since 1968. The democrats want us gone, gone, gone. They have been saying that for 50 years.

    That’s why Trump won. We voted for the candidate who has not spewed hatred and disdain for us since 1964.

    1964 was the year Hildabeast started at the ultra WASP lesbian communist elite college, Wellesley.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  211. @chris

    Hey Chris,

    As your comment began about the weird Qatar – Saud Family feud which is now (naturally) history for the Corporate Media, I became very interested in your ability to make “linkage” where many other top notch thinkers do not.

    I admit to not having a solid handle on the remainder of your comment, Chris, but I am always — perhaps to an excessive / obsessive level — on alert for Israeli THEATER productions.

    They have no fear about anything nefarious (evil) having come out into “in your face” public view. (Sigh) This includes even the action of well intentioned moles planted inside Jewish Lobby Clearinghouses everywhere and subsequent daring public reporting. Wielding omnipotent political power as Brother Nathanael taught here at the U.R., the Tel Aviv Masters of The Game of One (1) Throne simply do not give a fuck about who I knows what! It’s Alfred E. Neumann reborn, “What, me worry?” (Sigh) And they mock the dumb goyim and refer to them as “downswingers.” Thanks to arrogant & elite spinmeister, David Brooks, for the rather catchy name, “downswingers.”

    Thanks, Chris. As you please, I’d like to read more from you on the “siege of Qatar” and Al-Jazeera’s fascinating undercover film!

    Selah (Kleinfeld sounds like Seinfeld) & By Deception We Do War and Even Suspicious Dumb Goyim are Noted for Being Open to Mossad Deception to their Own Peril.

    • Replies: @chris
  212. Alden says:
    @RobinG

    Sorry, I’ve never been stung by bees, wasps or hornets and I’m sure wasps have some use to the world.

    I just wanted to point out that it was goyim hating Jews who invented the term WASP as a perjorative for the one group that didn’t have a derogatory name. Wasps do sting and it hurts. I firmly believe that’s why the Jews created that name.

    Wasps kill those disgusting green tomato worms?? They are so gross. We lived picking them up
    and squishing them when we were kids

    Most people have a negative view of stinging insects.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  213. @Andrei Martyanov

    Oh well, then pardon the hell out of my suspicions. If a CIA officer said no conspiracy was involved, then it’s got to be true.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  214. iffen says:

    NBC News:
    Iranian General Helped Iraqis Seize Kirkuk From U.S. Allies
    by Ken Dilanian, Carol E. Lee and Vivian Salama

    Former U.S. national security officials[not Phil?] told NBC News the Iranian-brokered seizure of oil-rich Kirkuk by the Iraqi government and its militia partners, which heightens the risk of civil war, amounts to an embarrassing strategic blow to the U.S. at the hands of Iran.

    “It is a catastrophic defeat for the United States and a fantastic victory for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, proving that Qassem Soleimani gets his way once again,” said Ali Khedery, a former senior adviser on Iraq policy in the Bush and Obama administrations.

    Critics accused Trump of wilting in the face of Iran’s tough tactics.

    “This is the first real tangible challenge to the Trump Iran doctrine, and we have our answer: it seems like there is nothing behind it,” Michael Barbero, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant general who served in Iraq and has close ties to the Kurds, told NBC News.

    Our foes will be emboldened, our allies shaken.”

    The timing of the Kirkuk incursion was not a coincidence, Khedery said.
    “Iran is intentionally seeking to challenge and humiliate President Trump only days after the U.S. designated the IRGC,” he said. “Tehran is testing our resolve, and our allies and foes are all closely watching how this will unfold.”

    Gimme a W, gimme an A, gimme an R!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/iranian-general-helped-iraqis-seize-kirkuk-u-s-allies-n811026

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Talha
  215. utu says:

    No one manipulated Trump into the presidency. We White Americans voted him

    Perhaps you should consider a possibility that White Americans were manipulate into voting for him.

  216. anarchyst says:
    @utu

    The “beginning of the end” of Catholicism was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants.
    Much Catholic ritual was discarded, as well as the promotion of the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) do do their “dirty work” for them…
    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its “universality”. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.
    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new “Modern Mass” and the New Church, in general…It took a brave Cardinal Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to “push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an “actor”, diminishing his status and importance.
    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church “dogma” or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations–nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.
    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize celebration of pre-Vatican II principles…

    • Replies: @Anon
  217. @Andrei Martyanov

    Why am I not surprised to learn that Farago was a Hungarian Jew? An important bit of information that surely would not have been allowed in a Wikipedia article if not for the fact that Farago is considered by most History Channel types, to have been a famous writer.

    “He appeared as a contestant on the January 22, 1957 episode of To Tell the Truth. He was Jewish.[4]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladislas_Farago

  218. @Alden

    Alden,

    (A deep State sigh)

    Your assertion “No one manipulated Trump into the presidency” is a serious self delusion which is perhaps dangerous for yourself to try and get sober, uh, get “clean.”

    (Sigh) Please tell me you were joshing, perhaps cynical, Alden?

    Meanwhile, back at the Mar a lago Ranch, even the “hired help” breathe sighs of relief that Team Hildabeast did not know what the author of the article linked below KNEW about Citizen Donald.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/18/donald-trump-the-new-merchant-of-menace/

  219. RobinG says:
    @Alden

    A few years ago I had a couple hornworms. The Braconids showed up and there hasn’t been one since. I have a negative view of slimy, stinky, or infectious. Wasps are clean and they’ve never bothered me. (And I don’t much care what “most people” think. ;) )

    Time lapse of Braconid wasp larvae eating hornworm alive -

    “Over 100,000 species of wasps are a special type of parasite. They are parasitoids which lay their eggs in or on the caterpillars of other insect species. Almost every insect pest species has at least one wasp species that preys upon it or parasitizes it. Parasitic wasps are increasingly used in agricultural pest control as they themselves do little or no damage to crops. Farmers buy these parasitic wasps for insect control in their fields. With most species, the adult parasitic wasps themselves do not get any nutrients from their prey. Much like bees, butterflies, and moths, those which do feed as adults usually get all of their nutrition from nectar.

    Parasitic wasps are extremely varied in their habits. Many lay their eggs in inert stages of their host (egg or pupa). If the prey is a caterpillar, they paralyze it by injecting it with venom through their ovipositor. Then they insert one or more eggs into the host or deposit them upon the host externally. The host remains alive until the parasitoid larvae are mature, dying later when the parasitoids pupate, or when they emerge as adults. Basically, the hosts are eaten alive.”

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  220. FKA Max says: • Website
    @RobinG

    US releases millions of wasps to fight ash tree borer

    Parasite fro[m] China attacks eggs and larvae of Asian insect pest that has wiped out tens of millions of trees and is on march to Europe and Britain

    “This isn’t going to save anybody’s tree in their yard or in the city. What we’re working to do is to protect the next generation coming up,” Slager said. “It’s really a long-term management strategy.”

    Ash was the most commonly planted tree species used to replace elm trees decimated from the 1920s through the 1980s throughout North America by Dutch elm disease.

    Scientists believe the ash borer was accidentally introduced into North America in the 1990s, most likely in wooden shipping crates from Russia, China, Japan or Korea. The ash borer feeds on tree tissue beneath the bark, destroying the ability to move water and nutrients to branches.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/25/us-releases-millions-of-wasps-to-fight-ash-tree-borer

    The Wasp (magazine)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wasp_(magazine)

    A talented cigar box lithographer, and part-time cartoonist, Keller was plucked out of obscurity to draw for the new California publishing venture, The San Francisco Illustrated Wasp and commissioned to draw fear-mongering images of the Chinese for a gullible and nervous, Eurocentric American public. – https://thomasnastcartoons.com/west-coast-view/the-san-francisco-wasp/george-frederick-keller/

    Satire cartoon of Chinese laborer working abnormally fast.

  221. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Well, the traditional latin mass was never judicially abrogated by Vatican II, but even more, you are at least 10 years out of date. The two forms (ordinary in local language) and the Latin traditional mass can be freely celebrated since Benedict XVI moto propio in 2007 Summorum Pontificum, so “that all priests of the Latin rite Church may freely celebrate Mass with the 1962 Missal privately. It also provided that “in parishes where a group of the faithful attached to the previous liturgical tradition stably exists, the parish priest should willingly accede to their requests to celebrate Holy Mass according to the rite of the 1962 Roman Missal” and should “ensure that the good of these members of the faithful is harmonised with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the governance of the bishop” (Article 5).” (Wikipedia) Attendance to TLM is growing well.

    Straight from Benedict XVI: “What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful. It behooves all of us to preserve the riches which have developed in the Church’s faith and prayer, and to give them their proper place. ”

    And Cardinal Sarah, current head of Congregation for the Liturgy, is promoting a wise melding of Latin liturgy into the ordinary form. Don’t crow gleefully yet, for we know that it was Peter who was told three times by the risen Christ to look after his sheep, and that the gates of hell would not prevail.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  222. @iffen

    Perhaps this news will ease the “embarrassment” US feels over Iran-Iraq-Kirkuk etc:

    From Pat Lang’s blog, an article by TTG (Twisted Genius):

    Major General [SAA - Syrian Arab Army] Issam Zahreddine killed in Deir Ezzor

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/10/major-general-issam-zahreddine-killed-in-deir-ezzor-ttg.html

    (SAA) officer, Major General Issam Zahreddine, was killed today in Deir Ezzor after his convoy struck a land mine planted by the Islamic State (ISIS). . . .

    [TTG added a personal note:]

    “I have to admit that a tear came to my eye as I put this together. I developed a professional affection for that big bull of a Druze as I read about his exploits over the last few years.”

    (I understand ZERO about military affairs and have to keep a cheat-sheet to know whose side is whose. But I read SicSemperTyrannis often because the people who post there respect military matters and military fellows — even their adversaries — as professionals. SST is an antidote to the cynicism of MSM as well as Congress.)

  223. More words of wisdom by Giraldi. Truth is like oxygen. Every time I see a young vet in a wheelchair, I cannot help but think of the monsters who put him there.

  224. @Rurik

    Well, that picture didn’t show the (very few) who didn’t felate the donkey, which the written word did.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  225. @Alden

    I have always believed that Israelis having superior intellect was a false narrative, however, I would like to see where you sourced it to be 95?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  226. JackOH says:

    Is it time yet for a Stop the War with Iran line of public argument or movement? When newspeople ask what makes you think the Administration is prepping for war with Iran, respond with Giraldian talking points. I’m not sure about my thinking on this, just tossing it out. (FWIW-the gratuitous Iraq II was and continues to be bad mojo; I’d hate to see it again with Iran as American forces’ punching bag du jour.)

    • Replies: @RobinG
  227. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Iran’s tough tactics

    In asserting influence over an area that has been part of Persia or her sphere of influence for over two thousand years…wow – where does she get these weird ideas that her opinion counts! It’s obvious that we must have the upper hand in how the region is divided up otherwise the terrorists and child pornographers and kitten torturers will win and also those who hate candy bars and baseball.

    I see maybe 3 things stopping this nonsense if it keeps going in this trajectory; 1) we come out in full force as citizens and call our representatives and let them know that there job depends on not going along (a massive response stopped the Obama administration from taking major action in Syria if you recall), 2) Turkey turns and aligns with Iran to say, enough is enough – we do not want any more US meddling in the area and 3) won’t stop the initial volley, but if Iran’s response is severe and we feel it hard, it may stop us in our tracks.

    Also – this take in the NY Times was far less belligerent:
    “Struggle Over Kirkuk* Puts the U.S. and Iran on the Same Side”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/18/world/middleeast/iraq-kurds-kirkuk-iran.html

    So why is NBC going so nuts? Maybe because it is owned by GE?

    Peace.

    *Without Kirkuk, this talk of a new Kurdistan is over – the Kurds and everyone else knows it. At least a Kurdistan that is worth fighting over. Otherwise it’ll be a worthless, poor pariah state with complete dependency on handouts from other nations to maintain its forces to keep territorial integrity.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @SolontoCroesus
  228. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    But if I was a Westerner, I would support Israel any day. Because if the Israeli state were to be ever dismantled, all of them Israelis would go to the West. Why would you want that?

    Spot on. We know exactly what poisonous little bastards they are and we sure as shit don’t want them back in our lands.

    Talha has offered to host them in Muslim countries. I wish him all the best.

    • Replies: @Talha
  229. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Many unknowns for me, Talha.

    I don’t know if it is because I am now more cynical of the media and therefore notice more of the warmongering, or if, in fact, there is an actual increase in the media driven war propaganda.

    1) we come out in full force as citizens

    I fear that it may well be true that we will never again be able to create a Vietnam War caliber protest because the catalyst for that protest was the draft. I think the elites know this and that is why we have a mercenary type military rather than a force drawn from a cross section of our citizens. We are also up against human nature in that the default would be to use military force. We could be “wrong” (Iraq’s WMDs) many times and the cost of being wrong is discounted against the cost of failing to act when we should have. Better safe than sorry is a difficult argument to defeat.

    2) Turkey turns and aligns with Iran

    I would not trust Turkey to be anything other than dishonest, unreliable and double crossing.

    So why is NBC going so nuts?

    Non-gentiles in the woodpile? :)

  230. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The astonishing indifference to Jewish Holocaust by ALL major MSM sources.
    The Nuland-Kagan’s adventure in Ukraine has produced a robust neo-Nazi movement there: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/406991-western-media-ukraine-nazi/
    “Last weekend saw Ukraine’s biggest Nazi march of modern times. Yet, the Western media and its numerous correspondents in Kiev completely ignored the story, even on social networks.
    On Saturday night, up to 20,000 far-right radicals honored the 75th anniversary of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) – a paramilitary group led by Stepan Bandera, which actively collaborated with Hitler’s Germany. They brandished lit torches, smoke pellets, and flares as they chanted fascist slogans. And some participants openly gave Nazi salutes during the rally.
    The leaders of the procession included Oleg Tyahnybok, an associate of US Senators John McCain and Chris Murphy, who has called for Ukraine to do more to halt the “criminal activities” of “organized Jewry.” He’s also demanded Ukrainian citizens should have their ethnic origins stamped in their passports.
    There are numerous Western correspondents in Kiev. Perhaps the most prominent is Christopher Miller [any blood relation to Judy?], of RFE/RL whose presence at Maidan gained him a substantial number of social media followers. On Saturday, Miller made no reference to the Nazi march on his Twitter account, preferring to post pictures from the Carpathian mountains. However, in the past, he has extensively tweeted about much smaller rallies organized by Alexei Navalny in far-away Moscow and St Petersburg.
    Matthew Kupfer, head of Hromadske in Kiev, a TV network funded by the US embassy and the European Commission, also failed to note the rally. But, again, he extensively covered Navalny’s travails in Russia. In fairness to Ian Bateson, who writes from Ukraine for the New York Times and Guardian, he did at least mention the event…”

    Where is AIPAC? Where is ADL and its cries of antisemitism re the US $5 billion spent on the neo-Nazi “democracy on the march” in Ukraine? The Kagans’ clan deserves to be tarred and feathered for the ongoing Ukrainian tragedy. But the most curious sign is the complete silence of the Jewish vigilante with regard to the open and well-attended (20.000 participants) neo-Nazi Parade in Kiev. Well done, State Department!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  231. RobinG says:
    @JackOH

    “Is it time yet for a Stop the War with Iran line of public argument or movement?”

    Yes, and there already is one, of sorts, and there has been for years. I suspect that Unz readers (or, at least, most Unz commenters) won’t want to cooperate with the groups who are working for this. (But isn’t that pretty silly, considering what’s at stake?)

    For starters, how about acknowledging that sanctions are an act of war!?

    Republican Senators Tom Cotton and Bob Corker have introduced dangerous legislation that would amend the “sunset clause” and add “triggers” to automatically impose new sanctions within a year of Iran gaining nuclear capabilities. It is an attempt to re-negotiate an international agreement, and it would put us on a dangerous path towards war.

    This is a petition, but the text can be used as a sample for writing or calling your own Senator.

    http://www.codepink.org/cotton_corker_bill?utm_campaign=iran_1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=codepink

    • Replies: @iffen
  232. @Talha

    I don’t think phone calls or protest marches will work.
    After telling them that theirs was the key vote that put Trump in office, Steve Bannon fired up Values Voters evangelicals with pledge of making bad things happen to Iran, and of a US embassy in Jerusalem.

    If I recall correctly, it was the British vote + Russian proposal for chemical weapons removal more than US phone calls, that dissuaded Obama from acting on his (stupid) red line re Syria.

    We may need to start with hunger strikes, then a general strike.

    The churches — especially Catholic– are hugely deficient and culpable in this matter; they need to be turned around and mobilized to oppose war and steamroll over ADL and the entire organization of presidents of Jewish organizations, if need be. Isn’t that a reasonable calculation — 500 or so people neutralized to spare the lives of millions?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
    , @Anon
  233. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Avigdor Lieberman, a Moldovan thug who immigrated to Israel, proclaims “We will do whatever is necessary for (our) security” with regard to numerous violations of the sovereign Syrian space by Israel.
    The presstituting Reuters is trying to paint Israel as a righteous victim of Iran’s “aggression:” http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-iran/from-damascus-iran-vows-to-confront-israel-idUSKBN1CN12S?il=0

  234. anarchyst says:
    @Anon

    You are correct. The Tridentine Mass can be freely celebrated due to the likes of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and others of the Society of St. Pius X, who were successful in battling the Vatican on this (and other) Catholic issues. However, prior to the establishment of SSPX, the Tridentine Mass WAS banned, except by “special ecclesiastical approval” (which was rarely given…

  235. @Andrei Martyanov

    The problem for a purge of Jews from participating in government policy is that it can’t fly in a democratic country that must allow participation from everyone. It simply can’t happen that way, no matter how much one dislikes the policies, those who contribute to them, or how much one has developed a distaste for an ethnic or religious background. It is legitimate for people who are misinformed, mistaken or who act for their own interests to bring those into play in the public sphere, as well as those who are not of the same mind.

    There’s a lot of deception and propaganda being bandied about in furtherance of achieving whatever aims people bring to politics. Certainly a huge amount of this effort is not in the interests of almost all ordinary citizens outside an elite.

    I fully support all efforts to bring what’s hidden in darkness into public light, by any and all parties engaging in deception.

    However some commentary generates more heat than light and is hardly nuanced to reflect reality, but rather personal bugaboos. I think unhinged talk assigning immutable negative characteristcs to “The Joos” is as self deceptive and counterproductive as James Clapper doing the same to Russians.

    The country’s becoming unhinged in many ways and that sickness is being played out on all sides, including to some degree the ones I sympathize with.

    • Agree: iffen
  236. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    (But isn’t that pretty silly, considering what’s at stake?)

    Since you asked, no it is not.

  237. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Perhaps Bannon and Trump are controlled opposition.

  238. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C,

    I was remembering you on the way to work. I ended up driving behind a guy in an SUV displaying a prominent Zoroastrian sticker on his rear windshield. License plate said “Persia”. :)

    I understand what you are saying. I participated in the huge nation-wide protests against the Iraq War in LA (with my baby daughter on my shoulders):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_protests

    I was extremely disappointed that Bush dismissed us as simply an “interest group”. Communists were there, Churches, Muslims – it was awesome!

    I’m afraid it might simply have to be diplomatic moves by Russia, China and others that stop us if we seem incapable of going cold-turkey on our punch-drunk addiction to causing chaos in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @SolontoCroesus
  239. @Fran Macadam

    The problem for a purge of Jews from participating in government policy is that it can’t fly in a democratic country that must allow participation from everyone. It simply can’t happen that way, no matter how much one dislikes the policies, those who contribute to them, or how much one has developed a distaste for an ethnic or religious background.

    I never implied any forceful removal, God forbids, but relentless and competent pointing out of the utter incompetence and malice of those who are in position of power to influence or shape policies, including their specific identification, them and their bootlickers, is a must. Otherwise, they may succeed in unleashing something which will cost all of us dear. It is an established fact today that many who “form” US military (one of the facets of foreign) policy are utterly incompetent. In fact, it is their defining characteristic–overwhelming majority of those are neocons and among those a huge portion is Jewish.

    • Replies: @Talha
  240. @Carroll Price

    Oh well, then pardon the hell out of my suspicions. If a CIA officer said no conspiracy was involved, then it’s got to be true.

    This is not the point, the point is in highly sympathetic to Patton treatise by Farago. Even despite some sheer madness on Patton’s side and for that you don’t need Hungarian Jew Farago, enough to read Patton’s very own diaries to see what he was made of. There are certainly many high quality studies on Patton written not by Jews.

  241. Rurik says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Hi Fran,

    The problem for a purge of Jews from participating in government policy is that it can’t fly in a democratic country that must allow participation from everyone. It simply can’t happen that way, no matter how much one dislikes the policies, those who contribute to them, or how much one has developed a distaste for an ethnic or religious background.

    which democratic country are you talking about?

    since I’ve been an adult in this country, we’ve had laws that specifically designate my ethnicity to be singled out and discriminated against. (Too many white men as CEOs!! Too many white men in congress!! Too many dead white men as presidents and inventors and writers, blah, blah, blah!!)

    I even remember, from a position of power in the ZUS government, Robert Reich explaining why “white construction workers” should be subject to any and all efforts to use the power of the federal government to fuck them over specifically at every opportunity. Perhaps “white construction workers” are too privileged for Robert.

    If Joe the Plumber is fair game to be discriminated against in jobs and promotions and university slots, then why are other ethnicities somehow sacrosanct? Eh?

    BTW Fran, I saw you felt as tho Mr. Giraldi was being flattered by some of the comments. FYI, it’s not flattery if it’s true. ;)

    • Agree: anarchyst, Carroll Price
    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
  242. Avery says:
    @Talha

    {…. diplomatic moves by Russia,} ?(!)

    Diplomatic moves never stopped lawless behaviour by US&UK.
    UNSC never authorized any military action against Iraq (the 2nd war).
    US&UK invaded anyway.

    If Russian military had not appeared in Syria quite unexpectedly and upset the Neocon plans, Syria would be a broken country now.
    And China will confront US only in its back yard, where it feels directly threatened by US: nowhere else.
    China needs lukewarm relations with US and continued access to its vast and rich market for some time to continue its industrial revolution. When China no longer needs US markets, then it will push for a confrontation with US to chase her out of China’s sphere of influence (…near its shores).

    Like 1,000s of years ago guns & gold rule.
    UN is just a fig leaf for those who have the guns and/or the gold to legitimize their rule over the weak.
    And if they can’t get the fig leaf, they (e.g. US&UK) will deal death and destruction anyway.

    • Replies: @chris
  243. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    Talha has offered to host them in Muslim countries.

    I welcome Jews to resettle back in their ancient lands across the Muslim world; pay taxes, obey the law, contribute to society and all will (inshaAllah) go well.

    I was speaking to an old-timer Egyptian brother – so old that he remembers all the wars with Israel – about this. He mentioned his memory of thousands of Jews that lived in Egypt before Israel’s founding and before Nasser’s Arab nationalism. He hates Israel, but had no problems with the idea of Jews settling back in Egypt in large numbers (they used to number over 100,000 by some estimates – mostly in Cairo).

    I think to move forward on this, four things need to happen:
    1) The issue of Israel needs to be resolved. It is perceived as and is acting like a European colonial or Crusader state. Israelis need to figure out if they want to keep going that route and live in a cage called Israel surrounded by hostiles or break down their bars and freely travel and settle in the wider Muslim world as they once did.
    2) The massive worldwide smear campaign against Islam (I have researched this quite a bit and almost everywhere it is tied to Israel or Israeli-firster orgs somehow) has to end. I’m not talking academic criticism – I’m talking the kind of stuff that Avi Lipkin guy is spreading. There are some very honest Jewish academics and historians on Islam (and I have referenced them before), but unfortunately they are not the ones being brought out to churches or TV to talk about the matter.
    3) The Muslim nations (specifically certain Arab ones) have to come to terms with what they did in espousing Arab nationalism and forcing native Jews into the arms of the Israelis (and yes, I’m quite aware of Zionists being involved in plots to get Jews to move). Had they not done this, a counter-narrative would easily exist; Israel could claim to be the homeland of all Jews and the Jews of the wider Middle East would simply have laughed and said, “piss off”.
    4) We need to get the Salafi-Wahhabi extremists under more control. A small number of them is a nuisance, but once they reach a critical mass – they go postal on everyone (including other Muslims). Nobody wants to move anywhere near them (including other Muslims).

    Peace.

  244. Talha says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    are utterly incompetent

    Correct – except in the one area where it counts most; keeping themselves elected or otherwise firmly ensconced in power.

    Their longevity despite utter failures is a staggering achievement to behold.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  245. @Fran Macadam

    it can’t fly in a democratic country that must allow participation from everyone. It simply can’t happen that way, no matter how much one dislikes the policies,

    The Constitution is a suicide pact?

    A serious question for you, Fran Macadam:
    The U S State Department is home to an agency that monitors and and protects Jews from instances of antisemitism. Worldwide. https://www.state.gov/s/rga/seas/

    Do you consider that legitimate in a “propositional” state constructed on the notion of Equal Rights for All?
    Does that State Department office violate Second Amendment guarantees:
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

    Do Jews have a superior claim to US protection of their Creator-endowed right to pursue happiness?

    And here’s the nub of my question:
    Do you know of any other discrete group in the United States that enjoys particular and defined government protection similar to that afforded to Jews via the State Dept. office?

  246. @Talha

    Thanks for the Good Thoughts, Talha.

    پندار نیک ، گفتار نیک ، کردار نیک

    re your comment, below, about your Egyptian friend: many of my Iranian friends (East Coasters, not Teherangeles) speak very protectively of Jews; one guy that meets with us for coffee on Sunday afternoons — a banker — thinks a good relationship between Iran and Israel would be in both state’s natural and best interest. Iranians I know get even more upset than ADL when negative remarks are made about Jews.
    BUT — Iranians having been involved in- but not parties to- the world wars; and having had a long history of observing world affairs as they played out, are known to express mirthful bemusement at what one participant on Pat Lang’s blog calls “the Shoah cult.”

    PS It’s very difficult for a Western/outsider to learn about Zoroastrianism. Jason Reza Jorjani offers some very good history of Zoroastrianism, but he’s also a bit off the deep end in his quest for a return of the monarchy. He considers Islam in Iran an invasion that must be overthrown. Many of my Iranian friends are intensely Persian and devoutly Muslim.

    • Replies: @Talha
  247. Brothers,

    I am disappointed to see how far this important article, “The Lobby; British Style,” has fallen off topic.

    No one here needs a reminder of the city of London’s being the primary Jewish Zionist power base for a long time!

    (Sigh) Even The Maven Sham was not needed to shuffle the U.R. comment conversation into the “Creator ordained rights to be happy.”

    Selah Don’t Worry Be Zoroastrian Happy.

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @iffen
  248. Malla says:
    @FKA Max

    Irish Catholics supporting the Muslims via the left. Not for long as their beloved Ireland itself now faces the joys of multiculturalism. Blacks and Muslims everythere in Dublin.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  249. Malla says:

    The Trillion dollar question is, why did the Apartheid South African government or Rhodesia not attempt to do the same as the Israelis? Playing by the rules cost them their countries.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  250. iffen says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I am disappointed to see how far this important article, “The Lobby; British Style,” has fallen off topic.

    It’s a numbers thing.

    There is a finite number of ways of saying, ” dem Jews what done it.”

    Bro.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  251. Rurik says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Well, that picture didn’t show the (very few) who didn’t felate the donkey, which the written word did.

    true, but there is of course the issue of efficiency that was brought up

    one look at the photo and you can glimmer the uniform, craven sycophancy

    just look at the body language of that arrogant asshole, standing in the center of our congressional capital, lecturing and hectoring the president of the USA, in his own capital, in front of his own party members, who stand there clapping like vassals to a triumphant Caesar.

    the humiliation was pure, raw and to the point

    ‘Bibi is in charge here’, and he stood up there to rub that point on Obama’s face

    And that picture says it all.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, Talha
    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  252. @Talha

    Correct – except in the one area where it counts most; keeping themselves elected or otherwise firmly ensconced in power.

    Agree. This is the range of their skills: BSing, manipulating, lying, corrupting, threatening, bribing etc. which constitute their most advanced set of skills. Good military planners or geopolitical analysts? No. Good historians? Not even close. Good mindless doctrine-mongers? Absolutely.

    • Agree: Talha
  253. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C,

    That’s exactly what he had translated on the sticker:
    “good thoughts, good words, good deeds”

    It’s very difficult for a Western/outsider to learn about Zoroastrianism.

    Yeah – it’s got only a few followers now. The best way to learn about it though, at least for me, would be to go directly to the people who are still Zoroastrian – look up where your closest local (fire) temple is and ask them about it.

    And it’s very difficult for Westerners to understand that unique view on Jews held by many in the Muslim world (like your friends), without talking to them about it. Someone in Egypt made a documentary about the Jews of Egypt and it’s fascinating to watch. Some fled from Europe to Egypt and some of them mention that their best years were in Egypt.

    (Note what the man says around 25min, that Chaim Weisman tried to recruit the Jews of Egypt to the Zionist plan and came to the conclusion that the Jews of Egypt are hopeless and they are like the Copts and Muslims of Egypt, spending their time in their houses of worship.)

    He considers Islam in Iran an invasion that must be overthrown.

    It was most certainly an invasion, but the Persians absorbed Islam in their core. The interpenetration of Persian (and Persianate) efforts into Islam, whether in jurisprudence, compiling and preserving source texts, and spiritual disciplines cannot be understated. Anybody who studies the history realizes the monumental contribution to Islam from the Persians. To this day people are doing dissertations on Imam Ghazali (ra) in Malaysia or referencing the hadith work of Imam Muslim (ra) – of Nishapur – in Senegal.

    I’ve heard Mr. Jorjani before and he certainly says some interesting things about the historical cultural exchanges between Greeks and Persians. But how exactly does one “overthrow” Islam out of Persia? Are they simply to forget that they produced men like Imam Abdul Qadir (ra) of Jilan – the man so many Muslims call the “Sultan of the Friends of God”? Just reject Rumi (ra) or poets like Jami (ra), Saadi (ra) or Attar (ra)? I don’t think Mr. Jorjani has seriously thought it through. Has he spent serious time in Iran – like with the normal people – and not with Tehrangeles types? I mean, do you know what would happen to him if he publicly announced in the middle of Isfahan or Tabriz that Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) was an invader? Unfortunately, it sounds a lot like the whole, once we get rid of Saddam, then Jeffersonian democracy will simply bloom in Iraq.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  254. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Ziocons’ triumph in Ukraine: “Nazi Demonstration in Kiev” http://www.voltairenet.org/article198414.html
    “On 14 October 2017, those Ukrainian political parties with a nostalgia for Nazism, organized a torch lit march in Kiev, in remembrance of Stepan Bandera, the founder of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). At the head of the procession was Oleh Tyahnybok (founder of Svoboda), former partner of the US State Department when Viktor Ianoukovytch was ousted from power. Today’s Ukrainian Nazis are first of all pro-Nato and anti-Russian.”

    Bandera’s letter to Alfred Rosenberg: “German and Ukrainian interests in Eastern Europe are identical. For both sides, it is a vital necessity to consolidate (normalize) Ukraine in the best and fastest way and to include it in the European spiritual, economic, and political system.” Ukrainian nationalism, he went on, had taken shape “in a spirit similar to the National Socialist ideas” and was needed to “spiritually cure the Ukrainian youth” who had been poisoned by their upbringing under the Soviets.
    Desperate for manpower following their defeat at Stalingrad, theNazis agreed to the formation of a Ukrainian division in the Waffen-SS, known the Galizien, which would eventually grow to 14,000 members. … the UPA [Ukrainian Insurgent Army (Ukraïns’ka Povstans’ka Armiia, or UPA)] killed close to 100,000 Poles between 1943 and 1945… Simultaneously, UPA attacks on Jews continued at such a ferocious level that Jews actually sought the protection of the Germans. “The Banderite bands and the local nationalists raided every night, decimating the Jews,” a survivor testified in 1948. “Jews sheltered in the camps where Germans were stationed, fearing an attack by Banderites. Some German soldiers were brought to protect the camps and thereby also the Jews.” https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/stepan-bandera-nationalist-euromaidan-right-sector/
    How interesting that in Ukraine Kagans have tied their name to Bandera.

  255. Talha says:
    @Talha

    This is the world champion Persian weight lifter, Hossein Rezazadeh. Read carefully what he has on his shirt. It says “Ya Aba FaDl” (O father of Virtue) which is a reference, a rallying cry for the name of the son of Ali (ra) named Abbas ibn Ali abu Fadl (ra) who supported his brother Hussain (ra) in the Battle of Karbala and was martyred there. Watch him prostrate and kiss his shirt. That is how deep Islam goes into that society to this day:

  256. @Rurik

    I think that although some individuals do get treated badly, there’s a rough demographic correlation between the number of white folks in work, business and government and their proportion of the population. The elites don’t much care about anyone except in calculations of economic exploitation, but that fact hardly makes of white folks alone a dispossessed victim class of the oppressed.

    As far as the neocons go, I don’t care however many of them are Jewish or not, what’s relevant is their disturbed, destructive policies and the needed opposition to that. And I don’t care whether Israel is Jewish, what’s important is whether or not blindly aligning our own country’s policies in lockstep with the currently destructive political leadership there is in not only our own interests, but in the best interests of everyone.

    So obviously I’m not joining AIPAC or subscribing to The Weekly Standard. But neither am I going to repeat inanely stupid things like “Jew Will Not Replace Us” and for refusing, accept be accused of “worshipping” Jews.

    No doubt, there is no cause so just that it doesn’t have a few with unsavory views. Hopefully, this one doesn’t get discredited, and distracted from needed purpose, by entertaining way too many who want to drive out everyone who won’t go along with the most strident delusions of cranks and the hasbarists who also pose as them.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  257. @iffen

    Little iffen-iffen,

    Donald Rumsfeld: “Shit happens.”

    Figure since it’s come way down (“off the deep end”) and I find myself involved in a mindless conversation with you, I plan to take perhaps a 50 comment break on this article comment-thread and go back to driving school bus… and I just might go and snort The Weekly Standard web site and inhale their shit-sulphur byproduct.

    Selah Lord London Rabbi Calling The Maven & InZitatus (Sigh) Shit Ahoy.

  258. @Malla

    A good question I’ve yet to hear addressed. First off, Rhodesia sure as hell wouldn’t be receiving billions of dollars per year from financially-strapped US taxpayers.

  259. @Rurik

    It’s down-right sickening to say the least.

  260. chris says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Chuck,

    yeah, it’s right here:

    11) Shut down all news outlets funded directly and indirectly by Qatar, including Arabi21, Rassd, Al Araby Al Jadeed, Mekameleen and Middle East Eye, etc.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/arab-states-issue-list-demands-qatar-crisis-170623022133024.html

    Now, at the time, it was reported in the news that the Saudis hated AJ, which may well be the case; however, they too would have run their list of demands by their own puppet masters (which we of course share with them) and these in tern may have added one or two demands to the list.

    However way AJ was added to the list, it’s impossible to believe that the people who cannot forget a slight or take a single dent in their armor would turn the other cheek when they got slapped down as they did with the revelation which is the subject of Phil’s article.

    Regarding your other comment, about the game not being up even when they’ve been exposed, yeah, they have a whole armada to pick up the flack; however, when these things finally collapse, it’s the breakdown of a very unstable equilibrium. Eventually, a grain of sand will break the camel’s back, and possibly all of ours as well.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  261. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    The churches — especially Catholic– are hugely deficient and culpable in this matter; they need to be turned around and mobilized

    No, they don’t. The church is not a lobbying group. I thought that was what you disliked about the Jews anyway?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  262. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Malla

    “White savior complex” seems to be particularly strong in the Irish due to the influence of the Church:

    If Bob Geldof does have a white saviour complex, it’s much to his credit in my view. It also shows the influence of the Holy Ghost Fathers who ran his school, Blackrock College in Dublin. The fathers were missionaries in Africa, a relentlessly difficult and dangerous job that Irishmen and women carried out with great courage, and even in our more secular age their influence remains. Politician Ruairi Quinn mentioned the influence of the missionary Fathers on the school ethos, stating: “The poverty of distant Africa was brought into our classrooms by our returned missionary teachers.”

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2014/11/20/lets-give-bob-geldof-a-break/

    Plus, so far abortion is still illegal in Ireland in most cases:

    Ireland to hold abortion referendum weeks before pope’s visit

    Under current law, a woman convicted of having an illegal termination in Ireland can face up to 14 years in prison. However, women are free to travel abroad for abortions, and thousands each year do so, mainly to England.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/26/ireland-abortion-referendum-pope-visit

    I am sure most (non-Western/Muslim) immigrants agree with the Church on this almost universal ban on abortions in Ireland http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-morality/ , or if they don’t, many of them might not have the funds to travel to England to get an abortion, pay for contraceptives, etc.

    Though the sale of contraceptives is now legal in Ireland, this does not render them accessible. Unlike in some EU countries where birth control is subsidized or free, contraceptives in the Republic come at a cost that may further exclude young and/or disadvantaged women from access.

    http://thecircular.org/overview-contraception-ireland-past-present-papal-influence/

    This has consequences…

    Sadiq Khan, the current mayor of London, was the fifth (5th) of eight (8) children, for example.

    Islam to become Ireland’s second religion by 2043

    While there are indications the growth rate has slowed to 70pc between 2002 and 2006, a strong birth rate and immigration are expected to result in Ireland’s Muslim population exceeding 100,000 by 2020.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/islam-to-become-irelands-second-religion-by-2043-29874239.html

    But I have to give the Irish credit for defending freedom of speech:

    Cancelled anti-Israel conference moves to Ireland

    According to a report in Times Higher Education, organisers of the conference – called ‘International Law and the State of Israel: Legitimacy, Responsibility and Exceptionalism’ – said other British universities had refused to host it, because they were “afraid of the claws of the Israeli lobby”.

    http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/anti-israel-conference-ireland/

    According to this poll from March 2016 56% of Irish said anti-Islam demonstrations should not be banned, but these pro-free speech sentiments could change in the future with changing demographics: http://www.thejournal.ie/anti-islam-demonstration-2689850-Mar2016/

    The same goes for the U.S., the more (especially Hispanic) Catholic the U.S. becomes, by (Mexican, etc.) immigration and/or higher Hispanic birth rates, the less pro-Israel it will be.

    Views are more mixed among Hispanic Catholics – 36% sympathize more with Israel and 25% more with the Palestinians, while 24% volunteer that they sympathize with neither side.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/23/5-facts-about-how-americans-view-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

    Source: https://www.osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/Story/TabId/2672/ArtMID/13567/ArticleID/14647/The-Churchs-changing-face.aspx

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  263. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion

    “The problem with criticism of Israel is not that it lacks basis in truth. It is that it is removed from the context of the rest of the worl”

    It does . US doesn’t leave UNESCO to satiate any nation but Israeli hunger. It doesn’t sign treaty or hold negotiations to walk out and to dismantle for other It does for Israel.— “It should be recalled that in 1993, as Israel and the Palestinians signed the Oslo accords on the White House lawn, the watching world assumed the aim was to create a Palestinian state.

    But it seems most US politicians never received that memo. Under pressure from Israel’s powerful lobbyists, the US Congress hurriedly passed legislation to pre-empt the peace process. One such law compels the United States to cancel funding to any UN body that admits the Palestinians.” http://mondoweiss.net/2017/10/reasons-quitting-unesco/

    It doesn’t bribe other nations to encourage them from committing an illegal act for few months and offer billions of aids in military sectors free. It does for Israel
    It doesn’t allow Muslim leaders on TV to talk about respective countries polemics and vitriol against Israel It allows Israel.

    It doesn’t keep on vetoing the world consensus for any other country.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  264. @chris

    “… when they got slapped down by Phil Giraldi’s article.”

    Hey Chris,

    Not a fool to gush, and I love & appreciate what both P.G. and Ron Unz do.

    At present, it’s fair for me to say that The Evil is out in the open.

    You likely viewed the Lone Gunman TV episode, linked below on You Tube?

    Pulling off 9/11 was predicted & was in fact televised satanic activity.

    The hope for “grains of sand” to break the dark camel’s back is always real. Of course, as you know, by DESIGN there are billions of average workingmen who get backs broken daily to just survive.

    The Unspeakable is brazen & dangerously in the open. Period. One example can be seen in this shale piercing article written by Mr. Giraldi.

    As a pessimistic-optimist, in my lifetime, I await a… miracle.

    Thanks, Chris, for offering me Such an extraordinary response!

  265. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    This is an interesting article:

    The Israel Ambassador in Ireland says he is tired of talk of an all-powerful Zionist lobby – a Jewish lobby exists, but it’s no different from the Irish lobby which exerted influence in the US, he argues…

    Such a response, if a little tired and predictable, was perhaps inevitable. For sure, there is a Jewish lobby in the United States, but there are many others too, not least the Irish lobby which for a century was a dominant presence in the Democratic Party and was particularly useful in the Northern Ireland Peace Process. Few people, however, talk about probably the most powerful foreign lobby of all that operates in the United States – the Saudi, or more generally, ‘Arab’ lobby – with its petro-wealth, its huge investment in the US economy, and its steady supply of petroleum to the American consumer and capitalist alike.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-of-course-there-is-a-pro-israel-lobby-but-there-is-an-anti-israel-lobby-too-239600-Sep2011/

    Thomas Nast would probably agree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast

    Source: https://thomasnastcartoons.com/irish-catholic-cartoons/the-american-river-ganges-1871/

    So, should the U.S. become more (Hispanic) Catholic in order to become less pro-Israel, to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or not?

    A catch-22 situation.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  266. @Anon

    Preaching to the Church’s own people is not lobbying.

    As I recall, the Baltimore Catechism said the Church’s mission is To Teach, To Sanctify and To Rule (presumably its own people, not the globe).

    The Church as a representative of Jesus has a duty, as I see it, to be a moral witness.

    Taken together, the Catholic church should be preaching to the people in the pews about moral concepts such as Just War. They should use their global presence as a moral beacon and declare that no government has the right to act aggressively against another, and that economic warfare is an act of aggression. That’s not lobbying that’s instructing its people in moral principles.

    When John Kerry ran for president, I vaguely recall a kerfluffle over whether the Priest should deny him Communion, based on his position on abortion. The Church needs to embrace Cardinal Bernardin’s Seamless Garment of Life and teach just as insistently as abortion, etc., that killing people, or intentionally causing economic or other instability in their countries, is immoral. Ed Royce, for example, is allegedly Catholic. The Church should deny him the sacraments if he continues to use his position (head of House Foreign Affairs) to wage economic war with the intent to destabilize another people and cause chaos in their state. A strong and self-confident Church would be clear on its moral foundation and would enforce its principles on those who claim to be members, especially on ‘public’ Catholics who are in a position to give the Church a bad name by their example.

    nb. The statistics posted by FKA Max below are interesting, but we were taught that the Catholic church was One, Holy, Catholic – meaning universal, and Apostolic: I take that to mean that Catholic moral principles — like the injustice of waging war aggressively — are universal, not conditioned on the % of Catholics who are Irish or Latino or American: it is for the Church to teach and enforce its moral truths and not for its polity to decide what Catholic truth is based on an ethnic majority.

    • Agree: polskijoe, chris
  267. @FKA Max

    United States – the Saudi, or more generally, ‘Arab’ lobby – with its petro-wealth, its huge investment in the US economy, and its steady supply of petroleum to the American consumer and capitalist alike.

    Talk about “tired” arguments.
    The Israel lobby has been using the “what about Saudis” distraction for years –

    OCTOBER 13, 2010
    The Arab Lobby Mitchell Bard argues that while the Israel lobby is often charged with overly influencing U.S. foreign policy goals in the Middle East, the real power lies with the Arab lobby. This lobby, he says, is made up of oil companies, U.S. diplomats, members of congress, Middle East-funded think tanks, and professors who push for policies that benefit Arab states. He spoke at the Skirball Cultural Center in Los Angeles. [Bard is headquartered in suburban Maryland, home base for his Jewish Virtual Library and a newsletter or two ...]

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?296741-1/arab-lobby

    Pat Lang claims that George H W Bush went to war against Iraq in 1990 at the request of Saudi Arabia (I’m not convinced), but its certain the 2003 invasion of Iraq was not on behalf of KSA, and Mubarak was not deposed at the insistence of Arabs.
    In any event, in the seven years since Bard’s book/speech, Israel has increasingly allied with Saudi Arabia, so the Israeli ambassador in Ireland is singing from an outdated hymnal.

  268. FKA Max says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus

    “In any event, in the seven years since Bard’s book/speech, Israel has increasingly allied with Saudi Arabia, so the Israeli ambassador in Ireland is singing from an outdated hymnal.”

    I agree. That article from Ireland is actually from 2011, I believe, so you are correct, outdated, bust still interesting, in my opinion.

    I would be interested in your opinion on following:

    Muslim Brotherhood Is at the Heart of Gulf Standoff With Qatar

    But Saudi rulers later grew concerned that Brotherhood ideas would undermine their absolute monarchy. Tensions heightened as Brotherhood supporters criticized the American military presence in the kingdom requested by King Fahd after Iraq invaded Kuwait. They backed protests and demands for political reforms.

    In 2014, Saudi Arabia declared the Brotherhood a terrorist organization and has provided economic assistance to Egypt’s El-Sisi as he cracked down on the group. Saudi and three neighbors cut off most economic and diplomatic ties with Qatar on Monday, in a move designed to punish the country for its ties with Iran and support for Islamist groups, including the Brotherhood.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-muslim-brotherhood/

    Morsi, I believe, is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Also this:

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has come out in defence of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood after recent international pressure against the movement, particularly from the United States, seeks to list the group as a terrorist organisation.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170217-turkeys-erdogan-muslim-brotherhood-is-ideological-not-terrorist-organisation/

    Commenting on the recent diplomatic spat between Qatar and the Saudi bloc, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called the classification of the Muslim Brotherhood, in its entirety, as a “terror group” was “problematic”.

    “There are elements of the Muslim Brotherhood that have become parts of governments,” he said, pointing out parliaments in Bahrain and Turkey as examples.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/saudi-brotherhood-friends-foes-170623093039202.html

    Source: http://osnetdaily.com/2014/03/saudis-threaten-to-blockade-qatar-unless-globalists-and-muslim-brotherhood-kicked-out/

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @FKA Max
    , @polskijoe
  269. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Typos: … outdated, *but* still interesting, in my opinion.

    I would be interested in your opinion on *the* following …

    Sorry, I ran out of “edit time” on that comment.

    This discussion all leads back to the following part of my first comment in this comments thread:

    The Confused Person’s Guide to Middle East Conflicthttp://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-lobby-british-style/#comment-2047142

    I believe, the “Arab Spring” was a game changer for the region.

    It looks like it to me that Israel has mostly allied itself with all the military dictatorships and monarchies in the region, except Qatar, which has allied itself with the “electoral democracies” in the region. I consider Iran to be an “electoral democracy”, which is not a “liberal democracy”, however.

    As Larry Diamond has put it, many of the new regimes are “electoral democracies” but not “liberal democracies.” Citing Diamond’s distinction, Huntington has argued that the introduction of elections in non-Western societies may often lead to victory by antiliberal forces.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/1998-03-01/liberalism-and-democracy-cant-have-one-without-other

  270. chris says:
    @Avery

    The Russians might just end up trading with Israel their position in Syria against a break in Ukraine, leaving Iran unprotected.

    Such a concession would be a mistake of course, because it would only help divide and eventually break their de facto alliance and its members. Maybe they already know better than to do that.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @polskijoe
  271. @utu

    That’s only true of HBDers. The average American is very far from a HBDer.

    The average American may admire Israel as the plucky little country that could (even though this manufactured image is a polar opposite of the playground bully reality of Israeli behavior), but his attitude towards Jews, more generally, is one of moral preening or self-defense rather than admiration. He has been told so many times about these wicked “anti-semites” stalking the land that he is proud of himself for not being one of them, and when the opportunity presents itself to display his impartiality he gladly seizes it; else, if he happens to agree with an “anti-semite” on some or another point, he is worried about his reputation and his livelihood, and prefers to feign ignorance rather than profess agreement. Real admiration, I’d wager, is in short supply.

  272. @anon

    Judaism is of course a religion, and people also identify with cultures that have been associated with it, and some are members of ethnic groups that have historically been closely associated with that religion.

    It’s a religion and and an ethnic group.

    One can no more be born a Jew than a bricklayer or truck driver – even though that bricklayer or truck driver can decide they’re a Jew if they choose to.

    Therefore this is complete nonsense and can be easily demonstrated to be complete nonsense.

    Some people really should get a clue before spouting their witless opinions.

  273. @Carroll Price

    Poor old Fran is too obsessed with rooting out knatsees.

    It’s apparently escaped his/her notice that it wasn’t knatsees who opened the border.

    It wasn’t knatsees who effectively gave away the southwest to Mexico.

    It isn’t knatsees who start pointless Middle East wars.

    It isn’t knatsees who promote negrification and Islamification.

  274. Tyrion says:
    @anon

    It doesn’t bribe other nations to encourage them from committing an illegal act for few months and offer billions of aids in military sectors free. It does for Israel

    American largesse is handed out to many countries, although it is true that Israel receives more than most. It started in the same way American money and aid started flowing to the current Afghan government, the previous South Korean one, the South Vietnamese one and so on.

    Money buys influence and enables America to have a wide variety of strategic and tactical effects in the Middle East at a cost effective rate.

    I don’t think it is a good deal for either country, but my cost/benefit evaluation does not determine why it is done.

    It does . US doesn’t leave UNESCO to satiate any nation but Israeli hunger.

    UNESCO is a joke and leaving the organisation saves the US money. It is structured like a social democracy, but with countries instead of individuals. Each country pays what they can but only gets one vote. It is not in US interests to remain in it and legitimise that structure for global decision making.

    To get a taste of what that global democracy of peoples results in:

    UNESCO redefined two ancient religious sites as Islamic heritage sites even though they far predate Islam, as per Islamic theology where all biblical ancients were actually Muslims.

    Yes, the religion really is that nonsensical.

    As for the US being on the pro-Israel side. That is a complex discussion. It certainly isn’t reducible into the sort of inanities that permeate this site. There are more factors than I can think of nevermind be bothered to type out. It is worth looking at how much more expensive US support for South Korea actually works out to though, all things included. And how the US picked up South Korea was down and almost out while the US started supporting Israel when Israel was already triumphant.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @iffen
  275. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    The above map misidentified/mislocated Lebanon as Syria.

    I did not realize how strained Egypt-Syria relations were during Morsi’s time in office. This explains why Syria would give “Official moral support for Egyptian military”:

    Relations were generally well under the reign of Hosni Mubarak, but since has been strained after the election of hard line Mohamed Morsi.
    [...]
    However, after the Arab Spring and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, relations became extremely strained. The Muslim Brotherhood is a banned organisation in Syria and its membership is a capital offence in Syria. Egypt severed all relations with the Syrian Arab Republic in 2011, after Syrian security forces crackdown on civilians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Syria_relations

    Here another map of Muslim Brotherhood ally and enemy countries in the region, sourced from a very anti-Islam, and I presume pro-Israel, website:

    Source: http://barenakedislam.com/2017/08/09/trump-administration-efforts-to-get-the-muslim-brotherhood-designated-as-a-terrorist-group-has-support-from-arab-allies/

    Then there is this, published September 7, 2017:

    Qatar has reportedly hired a public relations company to improve relations with the Jewish community worldwide while strengthening relations with the United States.

    According to O’Dwyer’s PR News, the news outlet for public relations, public affairs and marketing communications, Qatar hired Stonington Strategies for $50,000 (Dh183,663) a month for the campaign.

    Stonington is headed by Nick Muzin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Muzin , a doctor, lawyer and Republican strategist who is active in Jewish affairs.

    “Engagement with Qatar can only be in the best interests of the United States and the Jewish community,” Muzin was quoted as saying by the news outlet.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/qatar/qatar-in-bid-to-boost-ties-with-israel-us-1.2086394

    Makes one’s head spin…

    Muzin’s efforts backfired, generating nothing for his new client other than contempt from his friends and colleagues in the Jewish community.
    [...]
    One Washington, DC, Zionist activist denounced Muzin to this author as a “prostitute.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/19/qatari-money-cant-buy-jewish-love/

  276. Talha says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Hey Mr. Giraldi,

    Seems some Israeli-firsters are seriously going nuts about your free speech rights to boycott Israel. This is getting out of control:

    I’m wondering if this kind of thing is happening in Puerto Rico or other places – perhaps an angle for a new article?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sloopyjoe
  277. @chris

    “… Russians just might end up trading with Israel their position in Syria for a break against Ukraine.”

    Chris,

    Good unconventional thinking. Netanyahu and Putin are quite tight, non-enemies for sure!

    ALSO, The Jews have established a VAST power base in Kiev, and in all likelihood, with Assad neutralized & Iranian forces virtually out, Putin could still keep the key Med. Sea base in Tartus.

    This is the reason why The Maven (Sam Shama) clings to his crooked reasonable U.R
    opinion that there will be no ZUSA war against Iran who is being offered a (trade) deal they can’t refuse… or else a barbaric attack.

    Thank you!

    • Replies: @chris
  278. utu says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Pat Lang claims that George H W Bush went to war against Iraq in 1990 at the request of Saudi Arabia

    More important is to find out who whispered to Saddam Hussain’s ear to go to Kuwait? Bush seemed very reluctant to act at that time. Only after the meeting with Thatcher in Aspen Colorado the decisions a spade to go to war. The invasion of Kuwait killed all the talk of Peace Dividends on which Bush seemed to be sincere.

    Clearly Saddam Hussain was a fool to go ahead with invasion at the time when Soviet Union was falling apart and thinking that the US will let it slide regardless of what Ambassador Glaspie told him or not told him.

    Not going all the way and staying within the UN mandate costed Bush the 2nd term. TPTB did not forgive missing such an opportunity of getting between Syria and Iran which was a part of Yinon plan to destabilize all secular ME states and turn them into the chaos of sectarian turmoil.

    Yinon considered Iraq, with its oil wealth, to be Israel’s greatest threat. He believed that the Iran-Iraq war would split up Iraq, whose dissolution should be a strategic Israeli aim, and he envisaged the emergence of three ethnic centres, of Shiites governing from Basra, the Sunni from Baghdad, and the Kurds with a capital in Mosul, each area run along the lines of the administrative divisions of the former Ottoman Empire

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  279. geokat62 says:
    @Tyrion

    As for the US being on the pro-Israel side. That is a complex discussion… There are more factors than I can think of nevermind be bothered to type out.

    But, but… Tyrion, Mearsheimer & Walt did bother to type out a lengthy book that goes into great detail on how The Lobby has worked overtime to make the US pro-Israel.

    You’re not suggesting these two distinguished professors from two prestigious academic institutions may have been trying to pull the wool over The Dumb Goyim’s eyes, are you?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  280. Chris,

    In addition, it’s incredible to observe how Iranian forces are kicking Sunni “terrorist” butts who are supported by the American Israeli Empire.

    Wasted noble resistance, all for the glory of the coming of Greater Israel?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @ChuckOrloski
  281. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Unitarians are stepping up to the challenge of making a better world and de-weaponizing anti anti semitism:

    The proposed 8th Principle: “We, the member congregations of the Unitarian Universalist Association, covenant to affirm and promote: journeying toward spiritual wholeness by working to build a diverse multicultural Beloved Community by our actions that accountably dismantle racism and other oppressions in ourselves and our institutions.”

    To demonstrate their commitment to this vision, Unitarians in DC’s suburbs are hosting a “person of color only” dinner, and will participate in a reading of Anne Frank followed by a panel discussion of Charlottesville at the local JCC.

  282. iffen says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I plan to take perhaps a 50 comment break on this article comment-thread and go back to driving school bus…

    How many comments could a woodchuck count if a woodchuck could count.

    Back on the topic of this article, dem nefarious Jews, something seems to be wrong with geo’s paster. You may need to help out with the copying and pasting rather than just hitting the agree tab.

  283. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I guess this leaves the ACLU out as member in good standing in the notorious Jewish cabal. :)

  284. @ChuckOrloski

    As (to date) the internet is free but of course monitored, even Israel’s dark support for Sunni terrorist proxies wars in Syria is “out in the open.” Refer to link below?

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/10/19/539198/Syria-Israel-Daesh-ISIS-weapons-NATO-Mayadin

    (Sigh) A question to U.R. commenters. Is there any bad the US & Brit “Lobby” can do and suffer a price to pay? Any examples?

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  285. iffen says:
    @Tyrion

    while the US started supporting Israel when Israel was already triumphant.

    From Mideast Web:

    United States support for the partition of Palestine was crucial to the adoption of the UN partition plan and to the creation of the state of Israel.

    At a Chicago rally in 1944, then Senator Truman said, “Today, not tomorrow, we must do all that is humanly possible to provide a haven for all those who can be grasped from the hands of Nazi butchers. Free lands must be opened to them.”

    Truman wrote in his memoirs, “The question of Palestine as a Jewish homeland goes back to the solemn promise that had been made to them [the Jews] by the British in the Balfour Declaration of 1917 – a promise which had stirred the hopes and the dreams of these oppressed people. This promise, I felt, should be kept, just as all promises made by responsible, civilized governments should be kept.”

    http://www.mideastweb.org/us_supportforstate.htm

    • Replies: @Anon
  286. @SolontoCroesus

    Pat Lang claims that George H W Bush went to war against Iraq in 1990 at the request of Saudi Arabia (I’m not convinced)

    I would listen to Colonel Lang on that.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  287. @ChuckOrloski

    The answer is “no” Chuck. They get away with everything, including massacring the crew of a US Naval vessel in international waters. But we all have to work together to change that!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Rurik
    , @brian
  288. @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrei,

    No one hurt the Iraqi people more than the ex(?)-CIA President Saddam Hussein.

    Along with a silent green light from USrael & the Saud Royal Family, “SAD-DAM” went to moronic war against Kuwait knowing both doom was guaranteed, AND (!) that the plan for (temporarily) stiff arming Iran’s Islamic revolution expansion-ambitions & the creation of the N.W.O. Greater Israel was “uphill” from there.

    (Sigh) Was it really the “New Hitler” Saddam Hussein who was captured in a hole by American troops and later lynched by a crazy mob on TV? I am not convinced, Andrei Martyanov!

    Selah Want Ad: A Nice Gated Community Open to House Once Useful War Criminals in Distinguished Service to the American Israel Empire.

    • Replies: @utu
  289. @Philip Giraldi

    “… we all have to work together to change that.”

    Agreed, Mr. Giraldi.

    Eh hem — for me, it’s Working U.R. writers & commenters and (generic) field workers of Lobby-stricken nations unite!

    I await a Brit response to your article.

    The Irgun’s False Flag bombing (1946) must stick in the mind of living post-WW 2 Brit veterans and ideally, their offsprings?

    In meantime, I provide the barbaric mass murder bombing’s You Tube video (below) for those types like for 1-example, Little iffen-iffen, who are mindlessly stuck in the Dead Sea with little else to do but salute Israel’s blue/white flag that slouches atop Masada.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Mr. G. You are also such a fine “old school” gentleman who tolerates pissed off & fed up commenters like me. So… “tally ho” go forth more reasoned & conscientious comments on this thread.

    • Replies: @Talha
  290. Rurik says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    They get away with everything,

    and yet..

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/ex-nazi-death-camp-guard-96-charged-complicity-090202700.html

    while convicted (by his own government) war criminal and ultra-racist supremacist mass murderer Ariel Sharon is called a ‘man of peace’ by president Dubya Bush, and swooned over by evangelical “Christians”

    it just seems so surreal

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  291. @Rurik

    “It just seems so surreal.”

    Brother Rurik,

    You won’t like me saying so, but all is designed to seem “surreal” and draw away serious attention.

    The best accomplishment (for all that are willing) right this moment is to become aware and distinguish what is REAL and what’s not.

    Be well!

  292. Rurik says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Hi Fran,

    some individuals do get treated badly,

    it’s not about some individuals Fran, it’s about the principle, you see?

    that’s one of the nice things about these forums, is eventually you get to glimmer a few things about the other regular members, and you’re no dummy Fran. Most of the cud-chewers out there have no real idea ab0ut what being principled even means. It’s too abstract for their brains to comprehend. But you do understand what a principled position is on an issue like racial discrimination, and how you are either for it or against it. Don’t you?

    So when we’re talking about laws that codify racial discrimination against a specific, reviled segment of the population, not for any privileges they enjoy, or wealth or power, but even if they’re at the very bottom of the economic ladder, and have nothing to their names, and whose only perk in life is simply the will to survive… when we tell these people, that because society finds their particular skin color and phenotype so congenitally vile, evil and guilty, that they must all get to the back of every line for jobs or promotions or university slots, and that they are the only type of person whose featured are so universally hated, that the government of the United States of America has decided to suspend, in their case only, the stipulation in the Fourteen Amendment guaranteeing “equal protection”, because these people, with their white skin and heterosexual proclivities, are simply too contemptible, no matter how impoverished or destitute, that we need special laws that make sure they are forced to always hire people not like them, or offer their spare apartment to people not like them, or are prohibited in every way of lobbying for people who are like them, but that rather everybody else is not only allowed, but encouraged to discriminate against these hated and despised people, to the point that hopefully they’ll just simply commit suicide, as Oprah has openly pined for, and as politicians gloat over, as this segment of society already has begun committing suicide all out of proportion to their numbers in society.

    So, as long as the government passes laws that eviscerate any principles of equal protection for certain hated groups, then of course, why can’t they, in principle, pass other laws that prevent, for instance a certain group to be massively overrepresented at the bar, or on the bench, especially the SCOTUS, for instance?

    What do you think Fran? If our government and society are fine with singling out a certain race for denigration and discrimination in all things, then why can’t we at least talk about putting some common sense restrictions on the most privileged class in American society – the Jews?

    there’s a rough demographic correlation between the number of white folks in work, business and government and their proportion of the population.

    is that the goal in all things?

    so if there’s one segment of society that is overly represented for instance in the media, or the courts, (as I’ve mentioned) or at Harvard or other positions of privilege, power and influence, we should, as a society, look for ways that make all our institutions representative of racial and gender and religions percentages at large? And use laws to do so?

    Or is it just when white men are overrepresented that we should all clamor for more laws? Eh?

    I suspect that how most people see it, huh?

    As far as the neocons go, I don’t care however many of them are Jewish or not, what’s relevant is their disturbed, destructive policies and the needed opposition to that. And I don’t care whether Israel is Jewish,

    but let me ask you Fran..

    Do you see a connection to the fact that most neocons (demanding fealty to all things Israel) are also Jewish?

    Has it occurred to you that if you appoint a Jew as Secretary of State, that unless that Jew has complete objectivity towards Israel, that you just might be tilting the Geopolitical playing field in favor of Israel?

    No? Yes? It doesn’t matter?

    neither am I going to repeat inanely stupid things like “Jew Will Not Replace Us”

    now I don’t make chants myself either, but what if you were a Palestinian, Fran? Would you at least concede that Jews have been trying to replace Palestinians (with other Jews) for generations now?

    And that if some Palestinians decided to chant that particular chant, that they’d at least have a point?

    Similarly, if there are white men, (who’re watching George Soro’s thugs tearing down the monuments to their heritage) who feel that Affirmative Action and Jewish intrigues to increase non-white immigration, so as to further marginalize and criminalize and disenfranchise their particular phonotype, so that even when they’re working class construction workers, the powerful Jews in the federal government are still obsessed with fucking them over in every way possible, that if they too made that chant, I’d at least understand, just as I would from the Palestinians, where they were coming from.

  293. RobinG says:

    Tobias Lindholm: A WAR (Danish: KRIGEN), 2015

    “Among the best war movies of all time,” said the Boston Globe. I would say, Among the best anti-war movies of all time.

    Afghanistan is perhaps a little OT from this article, but the question of the film, for me, is…
    - Why were they there, trapped in this moral quandary?

    We borrowed the CD from our local Public Library.

    • Replies: @Talha
  294. Hey RobinG,

    Great search & find at your Public Library.

    From Scranton, I can hear The Lobby harmonize the following adaptation of a Bob Seger rock song.

    “Just TAKE them old CD records off the shelf!”

    Thank you, RobinG.

    Selah ye ole TV show The X-Files motto, “The truth is out there.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
  295. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    I fear that it may well be true that we will never again be able to create a Vietnam War caliber protest because the catalyst for that protest was the draft.

    Vietnam War protests took years to be effective, and the draft was gone by 1975 when the effectiveness kicked in, and Watergate had to intervene. The fact is a lot of the country supported the war.

    Talha is right that massive public disapproval stopped Syria. The question is, is Trump going to be as easily swayed? Obama seemed to have fairly little force of character.

    • Replies: @iffen
  296. polskijoe says:
    @FKA Max

    thanks for the numbers on Muslim brotherhood.

    so they have less than Freemasonry, and around the same number as Knights of Colombus.

    I dont know how much you know about them, but you can read on the ancient Assassins
    which many secret societies adopted views on.

  297. polskijoe says:
    @chris

    At the moment, I would guess the Russians have more supporters in Iran/Syria,
    than in Ukraine.

    If I was Russian, I would keep Crimea,
    make some type of agreement with international on Donbass (whatever the result is),
    and stick to aiding Syria.

    Obviously the Russians have connection with Israel/Zionism,
    but its probably less than the US.

    • Agree: chris
  298. Talha says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck – that was an awesome video – I can’t believe those guys were smiling about how they set up bombs in that hotel and pulled off that terrorist attack. That’s nuts!

    I’ve marked this for sending to others – I hope Google doesn’t take it down.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  299. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Thanks RobinG – I watched the trailer – amazing! Modern war is an anathema – it makes monsters out of good, normal men. What the hell was Norway doing there? This is madness!

    Peace.

    Note: Best antiwar film (by my estimation): Grave of the Fireflies

    • Replies: @RobinG
  300. iffen says:
    @Anon

    massive public disapproval

    The massive public couldn’t find Syria on a map if you paid them.

    I don’t know who helped steer him away from more direct intervention, it sure wasn’t Clinton. I haven’t read on the subject in detail, but I would put Libya on her. Anyway, I am thankful however he arrived at the decision not to commit combat troops.

    As to putting pressure on these hyenas and jackals to make a thoughtful decision; go for it.

    • Replies: @brian
  301. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Of course I meant DVD. And stopped short of the tangent that Public Libraries are a valuable government program.

  302. @Talha

    Hey Talha

    No accountability, “those guys” smiled.

    No accountability, the “dancing Israelis” danced.

    No accountability permits anything Israeli “nutty” (demented) appear in the open.

    No accountability allows heinous acts to appear on (Google) You Tube for belly laughs at the vast dumb goyim audience.

    I am glad you liked the video, Talha, and responsibly “sent it” to others.

    Selah USA soldiers fighting ISIS in… duh Africa (?) ambushed & unaccountable Congress still “takes stagnant knee” to The Supremacist Jewish Lobby When “Taps”are Played.

  303. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    These are Danish soldiers (and director/movie), but Norway was on my short list while I was guessing the language. NATO countries have sent the most, but about 50 nations have had actual boots on the ground.

    From wiki: “Since 2002 the number of ground forces committed by the Danish army has been steadily increased from 50 to 750 soldiers and support staff. …. The Danish forces have suffered substantial casualties including 43 deaths up till January, 2013. This is currently the highest level of casualties compared to the contribution size.”

    They say Denmark withdrew its combat forces from Afghanistan in May 2014.

    • Replies: @Talha
  304. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    LOL! Duh – yeah – it’s in the bold text you started with – silly me.

    The language sounded close to the Swedish I’m used to hearing from my mother in law, but couldn’t pin it.

    Again thanks for the info on that movie – very glad the Danes have moved on – may God reward them for whatever good they brought to Afghanistan and forgive them any trespasses. And may He heal the hearts of people on both sides of that conflict from those two nations.

    Peace.

  305. utu says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    No one hurt the Iraqi people more than the ex(?)-CIA President Saddam Hussein.

    More important is to find out who whispered to Saddam Hussain’s ear to go to Kuwait?

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-lobby-british-style/#comment-2049831

  306. brian says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The sheep could just wake up to 9-11, Oklahoma, Boston, yadda yadda, yadda. The insiders profit from the increased tension. The calm, centered ones, can see past all the lies and Jewish lightening bullshit. The Goyim are waking up. Let’s get together and feel alright? 9-11 was Jewish lightening, for sure. The city of London? Truth or dare? Let’s together and feel alright. The city of London is losing the glass bead game thanks to China and Russia. Let’s get together and feel alright.

  307. UK, US, Canada and friends: see how NATO US and NATO UK (Chatham House) spend your tax dollars:

    BAE, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, L3 ”communications”:

    US-led NATO ”spent at least $45,526,070,000 on 681 individual contracts during September 2017. including 52 Foreign Military Sales transactions worth $4,891,400,000.”

    ”The month of September marks the end of the Pentagon’s fiscal year, hence the uptick in the number of contracts issued.”

    Foreign Military Sales, Drones, Combatant Commands, Academia

    Fixed-wing and Rotary-wing Aircraft

    Navy Ships, Boats, Vessels, & Equipment

    Cyber, IT, Communications, Satellites, Ordnance, Gear, Training

    Energy, Medicine, Transportation, Environment, Base Support, Construction

    https://www.newsbud.com/2017/10/14/newsbud-exclusive-report-a-distillation-of-dod-funding-priorities-for-september-2017/

  308. brian says:
    @iffen

    They dare not depend on a draft for these bullshit wars. The sheep are angry and awake.

  309. brian says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    The United States Liberty? Yes! Do not cross them or you will be Ricardo Sanchezed!

  310. Sloopyjoe says:
    @Talha

    Here is an article from DallasNews about the Hurricane Harvey Relief Funds and ADL Israeli Boycott Subversion:

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/harvey/2017/10/19/get-harvey-relief-funds-residents-dickinson-must-vow-boycott-israel

    And the actual contract between the City of Dickinson and the State of Texas (scroll down to #11):

    http://www.ci.dickinson.tx.us/documentcenter/view/2016

    The legal voters in Texas need to contact your Gov and raise hell.

    Some examples of the “Lobby” at work within the USSA:

    ADL Anti-Cyberhate Subversion.

    http://12160.info/video/the-adl-announce-new-anti-cyberhate-solutions-lab-with-google

    AIPAC timeline coverup.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/the-us-israel-special-relationship-timeline-that-aipac-doesnt-want-you-to-see/

    Lastly, get involved with the BDS movement and target Clan Circumcision where it hurts the most……their purses. Nothing tweaks a Jew more than targeting his/her Shekels.

    https://bdsmovement.net

    Know what to Boycott and sign up for their updates. These are actions ALL of us can take (except for the Jew Trolls), instead of the Hopium/wishful thinking mentality that some commenters seem to embrace here.

    https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott

    • Replies: @Talha
  311. Individuals are free to express their opinion about current Israeli policies and Israeli treatment of Palestinians by NOT buying Made in Israel products, e.g. Teva drugs and medical equipment, and not buying products by foreign companies with substantial investments in Israel — this includes Starbucks, Coca Cola and Nestle.

  312. @utu

    I don’t share the perception of George H W Bush as “sincere;” I don’t place as much weight on Yinon Plan as many do; in my view, George H W Bush, not G W Bush, kicked off the turmoil in the Middle East; the 2003 invasion of Iraq was an inevitable continuation of what G H W had begun.

    The complex timeline tells a far richer story than just Yinon Plan, and in my opinion the July 4, 1979 Jerusalem Conference is of more significance that Yinon; GHWBush spoke at the July 4 1979 Jerusalem Conference hosted by Benzion and Benjamin Netanyahu. It drew the blueprint for the Global War on Terror

    https://books.google.com/books/about/International_Terrorism.html?id=s8Pm37gg5JkC

    Yinon is an element in that more significant long-range GWOT conceived by the Netanyahus, with participation of H W Bush and key figures from the neoconservative universe.

    The Persian Gulf war 1990-91 did not have to happen. In addition to the complex timeline and momentous events of that period, most crucial of which are the Iranian revolution (in which Bush Sr. played a significant role) and the fall of the Berlin wall: for the first time in its history USA was the world’s sole superpower and Bush, Sr. sat at its head — other facts that must be encompassed include the efforts of the Jordanian king and his American advisor to resolve the Kuwait crisis; the pleas of Arab leaders that Bush stand down and let them deal with their own issues; and the even more urgent pleas of Gorbechev to keep the USA out of the situation — a series of communications that so annoyed Bush that he shouted at Gorbie; added to Bush’s basically zionist/neoconservative/globalist mindset — all influence my assessment that Bush Sr.’s administration, and specifically the Persian Gulf war that he seized as an opportunity, marked the USA neocon-influenced Pivot to Empire.

    PS Col. Lang is undoubtedly correct — he was there, I’m just a keyboard with a fake name. Yes, of course the Arabs asked the Bush admin. to invade Kuwait, exactly as James Baker instructed them to do.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @ChuckOrloski
    , @RobinG
  313. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    The complex timeline tells a far richer story

    No doubt. Mucho “complexity” can be gleaned if one goes back to the 1st century AD.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  314. geokat62 says:

    Back on the topic of this article, dem nefarious Jews, something seems to be wrong with geo’s paster.

    I don’t know what you’re talking about…. my paster is working just fine.

    Here’s an excerpt from Philip Weiss’ recent article, Eli Valley lost work at Jewish paper for savage cartoons of Foxman and Dershowitz (but only the Israeli press cares):

    Valley seems turned off by Zionism, and he satirizes Zionist leaders as the worm-eaten undead. But he does so from inside the tent. That gives him a power outside critics lack. Take a look at this panel featuring Malcolm Hoenlein from 2008. Hoenlein was not identified; but Valley need to say the unspeakable: Jewish orgs had pushed for the disastrous Iraq war, and were pushing one against Iran.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/10/savage-cartoons-dershowitz/

  315. Incitatus says:

    ‘Texas city requires Israel pledge for hurricane relief’
    BBC 20 Oct 2017

    A Texas city has required residents who are seeking government disaster relief funds in the wake of Hurricane Harvey to pledge not to boycott Israel.

    The city of Dickinson, about 30 miles (48km) south of Houston, posted grant applications for anyone seeking money for repairs after the category 4 storm.

    Local officials say the pro-Israel clause is required under a Texas state law enacted earlier this year.

    The application has drawn a strong rebuke from free-speech activists.

    In the four-page, recovery aid application posted on the city’s website, a section reads: “By executing this Agreement below, the Applicant verifies that the Applicant: (1) does not boycott Israel; and (2) will not boycott Israel during the term of this Agreement.”

    The provision stems from a law barring the state from entering a contract with any business unless it “does not boycott Israel”.

    Boycotting Israel includes any action intended to “to penalise, inflict economic harm on, or limit commercial relations specifically with Israel”, according to the law.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41688999

    What’s next? Statutes requiring we buy Israeli products? Think kind thoughts or risk indictment for ThoughtCrime?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  316. geokat62 says:

    Another example of how well my paster is working:

    Houston Suburb Won’t Give Hurricane Relief To BDS Supporters

    A Houston suburb will not approve grants to repair homes or businesses damaged in Hurricane Harvey if the applicant supports boycotting Israel.

    The city of Dickinson’s application form for storm damage repair funding includes a clause stating that “By executing this Agreement below, the Applicant verifies that the Applicant: (1) does not boycott Israel; and (2) will not boycott Israel during the term of this Agreement.”

    No other clauses about political affiliations or beliefs are included in the form.

    The state of Texas passed a law in May banning state entities from contracting with businesses that boycott Israel. The law, one of 21 passed in states around the country in the past few years, has been criticized by the American Civil Liberties Union as unconstitutional.

    Local TV news station KTRK reported that the damage Dickinson received “may be the worst of Harvey,” with more than 50 inches of rain in 72 hours. The widely-distributed photo of residents of a nursing home waiting to be rescued as floodwater reached their waists was taken in Dickinson.

    Calls to the offices of the mayor and the city secretary were not returned.

    http://forward.com/fast-forward/385628/houston-suburb-wont-give-hurricane-relief-to-bds-supporters/?attribution=home-article-listing-8-headline

  317. @SolontoCroesus

    “I’m just a keyboard with a fake name.”

    Too humble, S2C! The fake name troubles me little and your scholarship impresses, educates a lot.

    One complaint though. With reason, you hesitated to provide an opinion as to “utu’s” unanswerable question on who “whispered” into Saddam’s ear to invade Kuwait.

    There are good reasons for American distrust of SAD-Dam, H.W. Bush, and James Baker.

    There are good reasons to distrust the Bush family relationship with the Saud Royal Family and Saudi native, Osama bin Laden who had CIA assistance during the Mujahadeen struggle against the Soviet’ s Afghanistan occupation.

    The first non-whispered “news” as to who did 9/11 came from an Israeli. Weird, eh?

    Of course, matters got weirder, S2C. (Sigh)

    During the evening of November 7, 2001, O.B.L. consented to the first interview with a journalist since the September 11 attacks. The lucky journalist’s name is Hamid Mir, who worked for the Pakistani newspaper, “Dawn.”

    With a dozen bodyguards & Dr. al-Zawahiri riding “shotgun,” O.B.L. was reportedly taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul to an “extremely cold” place where he could hear “the sound of antiaircraft guns firing away.”

    Below is linked the interview carried by BBC and the Arabian news channel, Al-Jazeera!!

    https://www.dawn.com/news/5647

    To conclude, S2C, in October 2001, the Mossad arrested an al Qaeda operative with a “backpack” purportedly to be a tactical nuclear weapon at the checkpoint in Ramallah. The source of the latter “news” is United Press International, December 2001; first reports spoke of a radiological nuclear bomb.

    Selah “if you see something, whisper something” and keep in mind The X-Files motto, “Trust No One.”

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  318. Talha says:
    @Sloopyjoe

    Hey Sloopy,

    Good stuff – thanks for the links, especially the BDS links!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sloopyjoe
  319. @iffen

    No doubt. Mucho “complexity” can be gleaned if one goes back to the 1st century AD.

    Research that far back is tedious.

    Fortunately, zionists lopped off 69 years.

    A Jewish Palestine
    “The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land”
    The Atlantic
    H. SACHER JULY 1919

    THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State. The Zionist Organization dates from 1897, the year of the first Zionist Congress. The Zionist movement is a longing and striving to restore to the Jewish people normal national life. The Zionist Organization is a particular instrumentality for achieving that end.

    The Zionist movement will continue until the Jewish people are once more living a normal national life, when it will be transformed into the active expression of that normal national life. The Zionist Organization, when the particular phase of Jewish national life which called into being this special instrumentality has passed, will merge into some other instrumentality.

  320. @TheOldOne

    The poor quality journalism and web headlines today always hide truth. We have far more choice in our lives and actions than they proclaim. The screaming headlines disempower many and turn off the reasonable people’s attention. I think it’s all part of the theatrical charade, which the liberty people have also bought into. The only real way to change the game is to not respond and to act, instead.
    When we are presented with outrageous behavior, we must turn away and remove all support of any kind to the context. The evil is disempowered by no audience.

    Thanks, Philip, for a great article.

  321. @ChuckOrloski

    psssst. Chuck. Thanks.

    btw, don’t tell anyone under pain of ending up an ant in cement, but did you know that Dennis Ross was a close associate of James Baker, working w/ Baker when the Berlin wall fell and the world got re-arranged: USA was the sole superpower: no nuclear-armed check on American ambitions.

    According to Pierre Salinger in “Secret Dossier,” Baker & State Dept were so wrapped up in the fall of the wall and its aftermath that negotiations re Saddam’s problems w/ Kuwait were sloppy.

    https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Dossier-Pierre-Salinger/dp/014015969X/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1508599962&sr=8-17&keywords=pierre+salinger

    Saddam had a legitimate grievance against Kuwait, stemming from the war Iraq had fought against Iran (goaded by Zbig Brzezinski, to ‘contain Communist Russia’).

    Here are two videos that I’ve found very useful in understanding
    the extent to which King Hussein of Jordan & other Arab leaders attempted to resolve the conflict themselves –

    SEPTEMBER 4, 2011
    Vernon Loeb talked about his book, King’s Counsel: A Memoir of War, Espionage, and Diplomacy in the Middle East. The book tells the story about the late Jack O’Connell, a CIA station chief and later Jordan’s lawyer in Washington, and a close confidante of Jordan’s late King Hussein. The book tells the back-story behind the Mideast wars of 1967 and 1973 and their relevance to the today’s Mideast situation and the U.S. military and diplomatic policy in that region.
    (see esp around 8 minutes –> )

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?301361-6/kings-counsel#

    MARCH 5, 2012
    King’s Counsel is the memoir of the late Jack O’Connell (1921-2010), who was CIA station chief in Amman, Jordan, from 1963 to 1971, and became King Hussein’s friend and close adviser. After leaving the CIA, Mr. O’Connell served for many years as Hussein’s attorney and diplomatic counselor in Washington, D.C. During this Middle East Policy Forum of the Institute for Middle East Studies, Vernon Loeb, who co-authored King’s Counsel, and Sean O’Connell, Jack O’Connell’s son, talked about the book and Mr. O’Connell’s life. . . . at George Washington University,

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?304768-1/kings-counsel

    and a video about how and why Papa Bush was determined to ignore them anyway:

    JANUARY 30, 2013
    Into the Desert: Reflections on the Gulf War Jeffrey Engel talked about his book, Into the Desert: Reflections on the Gulf War, a collection of essays by journalists, government officials, and scholars that looks back on the events and impact of the 1990-91 Persian Gulf War. Mr. Engel, who edited the book, spoke at Texas A&M University

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?310832-1/desert-reflections-gulf-war

    re “Who whispered in Saddam’s ear to invade Kuwait?” I don’t think that’s a crucial question: could have been the case that April Glasspie was instructed to give Saddam the green light, could have been a case that conflict was inevitable & US just stood aside and let it happen.
    If the Kuwait thing hadn’t happened, some other reason or incident would have been drummed up to get rid of Saddam: he was Carter’s “Orca;” he had served the purpose of waging war against Iran and now needed to be chopped in two and displayed in the city square (see Machiavelli), whereupon the citizens of Iraq would rush to embrace their savior, George Bush I. Thus, it is more important, in my Uriah Heep opinion is that Bush Sr saw the Kuwait invasion as an opportunity that he intended to seize and would not be dissuaded from seizing.

    Of extremely significant interest to me — my obsession w/ WWII being what it is — is the statement in the third video, when Jeff Engel says, “Bush went to war in Iraq not to liberate Kuwait or to spread democracy or any of those motives: Bush went to war in Iraq to redeem the promise to those who fought in WWII, to establish a New World Order.”

    maybe this is too much in the weeds — Bush I was 18 when he became a flier in WWII. He was dating Barbara who waited for her handsome, uniformed flyboy to return from battle. The emotional component is intense. As well, the Bush family profited handsomely from WWII; the financial component is intense. Bush’s brain is doubly wired to see in war & conquest both sexual and financial gratification.
    THAT is why Bush I waged war on Iraq.
    the very model of the modern Anglo-Zionist imperialist.

    PS listening again to the Vern Loeb video, the caller from Boca Raton is a frequent caller, hard core zionist.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  322. geokat62 says:

    I highly recommend all Unzers who are keen on understanding how The Lobby operates to view this video of Red Ice host Henrik Palmgren interviewing Prof. Kevin MacDonald.

    Enjoy!

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @geokat62
  323. @SolontoCroesus

    Re, Jeff Engel: “Bush 1 went to war in Iraq in order to redeem the promise to those who fought in WW II, to establish a New World Order.”

    S2C,

    Lots of 7-course healthy (U.R. comment) meals are falling from the table of your “obsession” with WW II.

    One question.

    Millions of Soviet soldiers fought WW II to great Allied victory.

    Do you think Jeff Engel counted Stalin’s military forces as worthy of War Profiteer “Papa” Bush’s redemptive promise to “establish a New World Order?”

    I for one consider the 1991 President H.W. Bush’s proclamation of the N.W.O. as open to the communism-free “Motherland” Russia. (Sigh) I recall NYT Abe Rosenthal’s gushing Op-Ed and his glorifying the N.W.O. arrival.

    Point is that the New World Order managers would love to include present-day ZUSA nemesis, Putin’s Rus. (SIGH)

    I realize my attempt to take you into the “weeds.” But weeds serve a vital filtration purpose in the preservation of “wetlands” against contamination. I will stop with the following WW II related question.

    Curious, by chance, have you read Suvorov’s rather military-statistic loaded book, “The Chief Culprit?” To date, Anglo-Zionists seem to prefer his work tucked away in-the-weeds.

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @utu
  324. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Thank you, as usual, for stressing the significance of G.H.W. Bush’s First Gulf War.

    Just back from speaking with Larry Wilkerson who reminded us that a selling point of 2003 was that it was the same war, a continuation of 1991 – uninterrupted – through Clinton’s sanctions and no-fly zones and constant bombing all through the 90′s.

  325. geokat62 says:

    Latest installment from The Israel Project:

    Experts: Israeli ties with Arab Countries improving due to Iran Threat

    The praise offered by both Israel and Saudi Arabia to President Donald Trump for his speech on October 13 outlining a new United States policy towards Iran, Agence France-Presse reported Friday, is the latest outward sign that “shared concerns over Iran are indeed nudging” Israel and much of the Arab world closer together.

    The AFP report was carried by both The Times of Israel and Arab News.

    AFP quoted Netanyahu who said. “When Israel and the main Arab countries see eye-to-eye, you should pay attention, because something important is happening,” and, who, last week, called Israel ties with the Arab the “best ever.”

    While AFP observed that no Arab leaders have publicly echoed Netanyahu’s sentiments, neither have they contradicted him.

    Uzi Rabi, a Tel Aviv University professor and expert on Saudi Arabia, told AFP that there are indications of “coordination” between Israel and Saudi Arabia concerning the threat both face from Iran.

    “There are Saudis meeting Israelis everywhere now, functioning relations based on shared interests,” Rabi observed.

    “For several of the Sunni Arab states in the region, particularly in the Gulf, there is a growing sense that the major contemporary faultlines in the region now revolve around the perceived threat from Iran and militant Islamism,” Kristian Ulrichsen, a professor focused on Gulf affairs at Rice University told AFP.

    Ulrichsen expected that in the coming years, economic and security ties between Israel and the Arab world will become more open.

    As I’ve previously indicated, The Lobby’s grand strategy is comprised of 3 parts:

    Act I – get the dumb clod to attack the Sunnis
    Act II – get the dumb clod to take a Sunni turn
    Act III – get the dumb clod to get the Sunnis (led by KSA) and the Shia (les by IRI) to slaughter each other in a 100 year war (preferably longer) while the villa inexorably expands in the jungle

    With the benefit of hindsight, things are starting to come into sharper focus. I now see the brilliance in the sequencing of these acts. It was necessary to take down Saddam first as this exposed the Sunni Arabs (led by KSA) to the vulnerability of the Shia (led by Iran). The Jewish state would then form a partnership with the Sunni Arabs to confront their arch nemesis, the Shia Arc, comprised off Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah.

    As NutnYahoo’s quote – “When Israel and the main Arab countries see eye-to-eye, you should pay attention, because something important is happening,” – indicates, the groundwork has been laid for Act II, and Act III is not too far in the offing.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @geokat62
  326. @jacques sheete

    Abby Martin is sharper than some, but she expressed befuddlement on why the Zionists would want to establish their state in Palestine. I guess she is too young to be familiar with what is called ‘religion.’ Not that the Zionists were religious, but they did have a sense of history and their supporters included many who were religious. Also, Abby Martin could not say why the US slavishly does Israel’s bidding. Or was not willing to say. Surveys show a sizeable minority of Americans side with the Palestinians but there is not ONE person in congress or the Senate who will take up for them. The leading donors in both parties (13 of 14 Dems) are Jewish while the Republicans trek regularly to what is called ‘The Adelson Primary’ — except for Trump, who thereby branded himself a Nazi in their eyes. Then there is the ‘un-personing’ that follows any criticism of the lobby. Has Abby even read Walt and Mearsheimer? The news community are incredibly ignorant when they aren’t merely corrupt.

  327. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    What’s next? Statutes requiring we buy Israeli products?

    Hey, Incitatus. You don’t think The Lobby may have pushed for these laws that clearly infringe on american’s 1st Amendment rights, do you?

    Think kind thoughts or risk indictment for ThoughtCrime?

    That’s the role of some of the Thought Police here at Unz, to vilify some of The Dumb Goyim for expressing thoughts that must never be publicly expressed. We are not permitted to analyze the root causes of the plight of western civilization or to put forth remedies that might ameliorate the situation. We are all supposed to shut up and take or else if we dare to open our mouths we will be accused of being antisemitic.

    Just ask Prof. Kevin MacDonald, who has undertaken the most comprehensive analysis of group evolutionary strategies. Rather than attacking his analysis, they take the more preferred route of attacking the individual.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Incitatus
  328. chris says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    As you’ve suggested in a previous post here, at the risk of veering off the subject of this article of Phil’s too far, I just wanted to tie a loose end regarding the subject of war with Iran which you’ve brought up.

    I think Tump will make up some preposterous excuse to send his 59 tomahawk greeting to Iran, not really destroying anything of value (besides the lives of some human beings there) in order to get Yahoo off his back and to get the media to hump his leg again.

    Yahoo and the Cons, of course won’t be satisfied with that, but they won’t be able to publicly attack him for the half-hearted attempt either because they’ll see it as a step in the right direction. They all know that if they get into another actual war in the middle east, with the seething hatred instilled in all Europeans for Trump, it might lead to actual massive anti-war movements in Europe which would hurt their chances of proceeding with it under a future president (the dunce Pence or some other fool).

    For all these reasons, I think they’ll try to keep the dammage high enough so that it stings but low enought so that it doesn’t provoke an actual response from Iran.

    So maybe Sam will be right after all, but certainly not for the reasons he thinks.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  329. @chris

    Chris:

    Sam “The Maven” Shama is a literate, prolix, & knowledgeable con man.

    In fact, The Maven gets my vote as (# 1) favorite-phoney here at The U.R. comment section.

    (Sigh) Below is a link to Kevin Barrett’s sound viewpoint on developing chances for a False Flag event which will unleash a merciless & typically popular USrael attack upon Iran.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/16/trump-rips/

    (Sigh) After hard days work, Numb Dumb Goyim like watching ZUSA missiles fly into distant cities and listening to Boom-Booms on TV.

    Speaking respectfully, try not to get flustered & deceived about the Anglo-Zionists losing any sleep about European “hatred” for Trump and worrying about “massive anti-war movements.”

    The Trump administration is dangerously weird & cunning Zionist theater, and anti-war movements are become “low energy.”

    (Sigh) Instead of having Abbie Hoffman throwing his middle finger at the “Establishment,” disloyal Dumb Goyim get fingered by the A.D.L. syndicate.

    Thanks, Chris!

  330. Sloopyjoe says:
    @Talha

    You are welcome. I also hope the links help others as well.

  331. Zumbuddi says:
    @geokat62

    imo MacDonald’s thesis that Blacks have achieved the limits of their IS is wrong. Also wrong is notion that Jews pushed for integration to harm whites.
    When Blacks had their own schools – pre 1954- they did better. They had culturally cohesive institutions where they could & did thrive –as a group.
    That was a threat to the Jews who rushed in to break down their educational/institutional progress.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  332. @Fran Macadam

    “Demented Holocaust denier” Your already weak rebuttal is based on a faulty premise. By all means call a person a holocaust revisionist, using the word denier is just being plain dishonest, but you would already know that which is why you favour the term.

    • Replies: @iffen
  333. geokat62 says:
    @Zumbuddi

    imo MacDonald’s thesis that Blacks have achieved the limits of their IS is wrong.

    If you are referring to the remarks he made in the Red Ice video I posted, I believe MacDonald was referencing the work of other scholars that had written the book, The Bell Curve.

    Also wrong is notion that Jews pushed for integration to harm whites.

    The objective may not have been to harm whites as much as it was to make the diaspora feel less threatened – i.e., harming them is a byproduct of making them feel less threatened.

    Here are the 3 best sources I can cite that support this assertion. Can you cite the top 3 sources that refute it?

    1. “America’s pluralistic society is at the heart of Jewish security,” says Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League – a leading Jewish-Zionist organization. “In the long run,” he continues, “what has made American Jewish life a uniquely positive experience in Diaspora history and which has enabled us to be such important allies for the State of Israel, is the health of a pluralistic, tolerant and inclusive American society.”

    http://ihr.org/other/biden_jewish_role

    2. Consistent with this outlook, the ADL has for years promoted the slogan “Diversity is Our Strength.” In keeping with this motto, which it claims to have invented, the ADL has devoted great effort and resources to persuading Americans — especially younger Americans — to welcome and embrace ever more social, cultural and racial “diversity.”

    This campaign has been very successful. American politicians and educators, and virtually the entire US mass media, promote “diversity,” “multiculturalism” and “pluralism,” and portray those who do not embrace these objectives as hateful and ignorant. At the same time, influential Jewish-Zionist organizations such as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, insist that the US must recognize and defend Israel as a specifically Jewish ethnic-religious state. Pluralism and diversity, it seems, are only for non-Jews. What’s good for Jews in their own homeland, Jewish-Zionist leaders seem to say, is not diversity and multiculturalism, but a tribalistic nationalism.

    http://ihr.org/other/jewishzionistpower2015

    3. Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review

    Kevin MacDonald

    California State University-Long Beach

    This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they resideas minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.

    An excerpt from p. 300:

    A congruent opinion is expressed by prominent Jewish social scientist and political activist Earl Raab’ who remarks very positively on the success of revised American immigration policy in altering the ethnic composition of the United States since 1965. Raab notes that the Jewish community has taken a leadership role in changing the Northwestern European bias of American immigration policy (1993a, p. 17), and he has also maintained that one factor inhibiting anti-Semitism in the contemporary United States is that “(a)n increasing ethnic heterogeneity, as a result of immigration, has made it even more difficult for a political party or mass movement of bigotry to develop” (1995, p. 91). Or more colorfully:

    The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country. We [i.e., Jews] have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible—and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever (Raab, 1993b, p. 23).

    Indeed, the “primary objective” of Jewish political activity after 1945 “was … to prevent the emergence of an anti-Semitic reactionary mass movement in the United States” (Svonkin 1997,1998).

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf

  334. iffen says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Using the word denier is calling a duck a duck.

    Nazis should be called Nazis.

    Neo-Nazis should be called Neo-Nazis.

    Anti-Semites should be called anti-Semites.

    Jew-haters shouldn’t be allowed to masquerade as concerned SJWs for Palestine.

    Pellet droppers should be called pellet droppers.

    Anything less is a gateway to respectability, and some of us don’t think that is a good idea.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  335. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hey Geo – I knew this stuff was going on under the table, had no idea Netanhyahu was feeling comfortable enough to be so open about this.

    Thanks for the post!

    Saudi is going against popular clerics that are not toeing the political line. They just went after Shaykh al-Ouda who is well known even outside of Salafi circles:
    “Sheikh Salman al-Ouda and Sheikh Awad al-Qarni were taken into custody this week after they were criticised by government supporters for their apparent reluctance to back Riyadh’s decision to lead a regional embargo against Qatar.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/7375dd7c-9796-11e7-b83c-9588e51488a0

    We might soon see the official clerics on the government pay making announcements at the Friday prayers that the new Saudi-Israeli relationship is good. The people likely won’t buy it and it’ll just contribute to Saudi illegitimacy.

    Peace.

  336. geokat62 says:

    Neo-Nazis should be called Neo-Nazis.

    Speaking of Neo-Nazis, get a load of this guy:

    Neo-Nazi leader quits movement after coming out as gay & revealing he’s Jewish

    https://www.rt.com/uk/407061-neo-nazi-gay-jewish/

    Anything less is a gateway to respectability, and some of us don’t think that is a good idea.

    … and I suppose PEAbrains are the gatekeepers that determine what is respectable and what isn’t?

    Conversation between General Wesley Clark and Pentagon official:

    I said, “Are we still going to invade Iraq?” “Yes, Sir,” he said, “but it’s worse than that.” I said, “How do you mean?” He held up this piece of paper. He said, “I just got this memo today or yesterday from the office of the Secretary of Defense upstairs. It’s a… five-year plan. We’re going to take down seven countries in five years. We’re going to start with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, then Libya, Somalia, Sudan, we’re going to come back and get Iran in five years. I said, “Is that classified, that paper?” He said, “Yes Sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me, because I want to be able to talk about it.”

    I guess this is considered “a good idea” by The Lobby and their duped tools:

    Iraq

    https://goo.gl/images/93TVh6

    Syria

    https://goo.gl/images/bQxgrS

    Lebanon

    https://goo.gl/images/cSKBDk

    Libya

    https://goo.gl/images/ZUh7zQ

    Somalia

    https://goo.gl/images/qS29Eg

    Sudan

    https://goo.gl/images/9cCkvK

    Iran
    ???

    • Replies: @geokat62
  337. I agree fulsomely and whole-heartedly, iffen: name-calling and labeling are right up there at the top of the pantheon of enlightened thinking and productive argument.

    Congratulations, you set the standard —

    I don’t want to be perceived as pandering, but I think that style of name-calling and labeling as a form of discourse should be called iffening, or to iffen, as in “You’ve been iffened.
    After all, we don’t want the style of discourse to be limited to quacks.

    Or should it be capitalized – Iffening? Whaddya think?

    • LOL: geokat62
    • Replies: @iffen
  338. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    I don’t think so Geo.

    I was hoping you were right, Rurik, but it doesn’t look good:

    Trump Bows to Neocons, Netanyahu by Gareth Porter

    Another figure to whom the Trump White House has turned is John Bolton, undersecretary of state and a key policymaker on Iran in the Bush administration. Although Bolton was not appointed Trump’s Secretary of State, as he’d hoped, he suddenly reemerged as a player on Iran policy thanks to his relationship with Kushner. Politico reports that Bolton met with Kushner a few days before the final policy statement was released and urged a complete withdrawal from the deal in favor of his own plan for containing Iran.

    Bolton spoke with Trump by phone the day before the speech about the paragraph in the deal that vowed it would be “terminated” if there weren’t any renegotiation, according to Politico. He was calling Trump from Las Vegas, where he’d been meeting with casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, the third major figure behind Trump’s shift towards Israeli issues…

    After Netanyahu became Israeli prime minister in early 2009, his administration worked assiduously for four years to maneuver the Obama administration into giving Iran an ultimatum over its enrichment program. Obama rejected such a proposal, but Bolton has repeated his call for the United States to bomb Iran year after year.

    Now the Trump administration is playing out a new chapter in the drama of the Likudists and their patrons in Washington. Their objective is nothing less than using U.S. power to weaken Iran through military means if possible and economic sanctions if necessary. The remarkable thing is that Trump is cooperating even more eagerly than did Bush.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/21/trump-bows-to-neocons-netanyahu/

    • Replies: @Rurik
  339. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Note: Apologies for having to repost (in part) this comment. I was hoping the images would appear without having to click on the links. Hopefully, this attempt will do the trick. If not, perhaps someone else who is more adept at this sort of thing could help out.

    Anything less is a gateway to respectability, and some of us don’t think that is a good idea.

    … and I suppose PEAbrains are the gatekeepers that determine what is respectable and what isn’t?

    I said, “Are we still going to invade Iraq?” “Yes, Sir,” he said, “but it’s worse than that.” I said, “How do you mean?” He held up this piece of paper. He said, “I just got this memo today or yesterday from the office of the Secretary of Defense upstairs. It’s a… five-year plan. We’re going to take down seven countries in five years. We’re going to start with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, then Libya, Somalia, Sudan, we’re going to come back and get Iran in five years. I said, “Is that classified, that paper?” He said, “Yes Sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me, because I want to be able to talk about it.”

    Is this what is considered respectable by The Lobby and their duped tools?

  340. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Oh my! I feel rather giddy. (Perhaps it is how Senator Lindsay Graham might feel if he was invited to full participation in a wrestling match with this year’s graduating class at West Point.)

    S2C wants to know what I think.

    Even after this:

    I HATE iffen just because he/she/it is an iffen.

    (S2C would never, ever label or name call, that is a “bad thing.”)

    Name calling and labeling are distinct activities.

    An example of name calling would be the various attempts to paint Trump and his supporters as neo-Nazis.

    An example of labeling would be what I do here when I “label” you, geo, ntd, the woodchuck and your various fellow travelers. Do you see the difference?

    I am not attempting to “smear or discredit” you by labeling you. I am merely stating my opinion that you are neo-Nazis.

    It’s simply up to you to show that you are not a neo-Nazi. :)

  341. geokat62 says:

    I am merely stating my opinion that you are neo-Nazis.

    It’s simply up to you to show that you are not a neo-Nazi. :)

    And I am merely stating my opinion that you are a PEAbrain.

    It’s simply up to you to show that you are not a PEAbrain.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @ChuckOrloski
  342. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    The discrepancy here is that I don’t care whether you think I am a pea-brain or not.

    OTOH

  343. @iffen

    S2C wants to know what I think.

    – Yes, what you think about whether iffening should remain in lower case or be capitalized.
    Professor David Engel devotes five or six minutes in one of his first lectures to explaining the importance of designating The Holocaust — “with a capital h and the definite article” (to indicate that it is a singular, never-before-in-all-of-history event.
    Obviously, then, lower case vs. capital letters requires serious thought.

    I HATE iffen just because he/she/it is an iffen.

    Impressive.
    Are you an information analyst? a librarian? Do you save all of S2C’s writings, or just those you delight in ripping out of context?

    As to whether you do or do not think S2C is neo Nazi — is “Nazi,” or “neo-Nazi” something a person IS, or is it an event or ideology that one does well to examine critically in order to understand its dimensions, its context in the real world in which it occurred.

    Over ten years ago I argued on a blog somewhere — I think it was the Orange cat box — that “If we really meant NEVER AGAIN when we said Never Again, then we really ought to examine in exquisite detail how It happened in the first instance, so not to repeat the behaviors. ”

    Curiously, that argument/posting was banned from that blog.

    Tragically, in the intervening decade, We, the People of the USA have repeated and repeated the behaviors that brought about that NEVER AGAIN event the first time, at the cost of tens of thousands of innocent lives.

    I’ve been making the same argument, bolstered with every manner of information from the soundest sources I can find — like Prof. David Engel’s lectures — but the more I write and try to make my case, the more I get banned and called an ant in cement or a Nahzee, and the more money USA commits to “defense” spending, the more wars USA involves itself in, the more innocent people lose their lives.

    Somebody is doing something wrong here, and since I have never killed- or advocated the killing of any person, guilty or innocent (except once I got really annoyed with William F Buckley and wished him ill, but the neoconservatives cut the legs out from under him so that was probably punishment enough) I can’t think it’s me.

    So if it’s “your opinion” that S2C is a “neo-Nazi,” or even a (gasp) full-bore Nazi, (what’s the opposite of neo-? Oldo? Oldo-Nazi? Origi-Nazi?)
    a, knock yourself out;
    b. exactly how/why is that supposed to affect S2C? I like salt, so I don’t think I’ll shrivel like a slug when you pour salt on it.
    c. how does it bring about the allegedly desirous “Never Again” state?
    d. will calling S2C a neo-Nazi or an Origi-Nazi reduce the wars USA is involved in, or the number of innocent people killed? If so, then BRING IT ON! Everybody’s got a little martyr complex deep inside.

    OR

    e. you can take the Fran Macadam option and decline to respond to tough questions.

    • Replies: @iffen
  344. @geokat62

    Geokat62,

    The “PEA brain” size estimate is out of proportion to the actual dimension of Little iffen-iffen’s < mustard seed-size brain.

    Iffen-iffen's admission (# 350) that he "doesn't care" about being characterized as a "PEA brain" derives from his comfort with being just another Neo pea in The Maven's pod.

    • LOL: geokat62
    • Replies: @geokat62
  345. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    f. Finding the question is not my forte, but if you will ask a question, in, let’s say less than 100 characters, not counting spaces, I’ll give it shot.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  346. @iffen

    u do not
    know anything i
    need to know.

    • Replies: @iffen
  347. helena says:
    @Fran Macadam

    whenever I watch a documentary about the war, I am struck by what a huge phenomenon it was, huge - the war in the atlantic, the Russian front, Burma, and on and on the list of blunders, atrocities and horrors goes. And everyone fighting for their team, allies, country, people.

  348. helena says:
    @iffen

    I do believe that a line can be drawn between seeking political direction in, through, from, historical texts and, seeking to understand events through familiarisation with historical texts.

    • Replies: @iffen
  349. Sloopyjoe says:
    @Sloopyjoe

    I couldn’t copy and paste this one about the California “Forest Fires”. Check out this link and go to Oct 19 “The most selective forest fire in history”. Make note of the UNUSUAL image. Older homes at bottom left untouched by fire.

    https://twitter.com/LightOnConspira

    Thing that make you go hmmmm.

  350. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey, Chuck. I recall your mentioning William Blum awhile back. I just came across his latest article, The Strange World of Russian ‘Trolls’. It was posted on consortiumnews.com.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/22/the-strange-world-of-russian-trolls/

    I have now placed his The Anti-Empire Report in my Favourites.

    Thanks for the reference… appreciate it.

  351. iffen says:
    @helena

    I do believe that a line can be drawn between seeking political direction in, through, from, historical texts and, seeking to understand events through familiarisation with historical texts.

    But of course. The caveat is that we do not “seek” with an unprejudiced mind.

    Context. Context. Context.

    In addition, a line can be drawn (and I enthusiastically attempt to draw it) between seeking guidance from historical texts and with intellectual honesty sharing what one has found, and on the other hand, attempting to “guide” others in such a manner that they will “discover” what you want them to “see.”

    My eyes! My eyes! Oh no! My eyes!

    • Replies: @helena
  352. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    u do not
    know anything i
    need [or want]to know.

    Ditto, except for one small item.

    Did you make an additional contribution or not?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  353. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    Geo,

    These laws should quickly be struck down as unconstitutional. Restricting state contracts is bad enough. This is a step beyond. If disaster relief depends on blind loyalty to a foreign power, can it be long before 911 police response requires a similar oath?

    Those responsible for this nonsense should get a one-way ticket abroad. In this case it’s a Bible-Belt Republican, Texas Rep. Phil King [www.philking.com]. An attorney, no less! Ha’aretz (more critical than US media) covered the story for days, latest: ‘Author of Texas anti-BDS Bill Calls Aid Incident ‘Misunderstanding’’ https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.818457

    “…its [well-funded cabal consisting of both Jewish individuals and organizations] cynical manipulation of the media and gross corruption of the national political process has already produced the disastrous war against Iraq, the destruction of Libya and the ongoing chaos in Syria.”

    “Cabal” is defined as “a secret political clique or faction.” AIPAC, Netanyahu, neocons are pretty public. Distasteful sometimes, but not too surprising. Where rights are violated, hold them (or any interest group) legally to account. And US law makers as well.

    Giraldi’s crusade – if intended to reverse disastrous wars since 1990 – is worthy. If a bit narrow. What’s next? ‘The Lobby French Style’? On down the line to ‘The Lobby Saudi Style’? I’d actually like to read that (scorpions in a bottle?). Contending ‘The Lobby’ alone responsible for and beneficiary of these wars is false in my opinion.

    Would we have invaded Iraq ‘03 without:

    • GW Bush (“this [Saddam] is the guy who tried to kill my dad”)?
    • VP/Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney (KBR made $39 billion in Iraq)?
    • Tony Blair and the UK (BAE Systems went from a loss in 2002 to profits 2003-08)?
    • Tenet’s ‘Slam Dunk’ (PMOF despite the absence of WMDs)?
    • Condie ‘mushroom cloud’ Rice (excited to sell US weapons to post war Iraq)?
    • Woolsey’s ‘4th WW’ (and his Paladin Homeland Security Fund)?
    • Tommy Franks (PMOF despite forgetting to secure post invasion Iraq)?
    • Viceroy Bremer (PMOF after disbanding the Ba’ath party and Iraqi army)?
    • Rummy (“war is untidy” as the National Museum is looted, the National Library burns)?
    • US Defense Industries (top 100 company weapons sales 2002-11 increased 51%)?
    • US Oil Services Companies (shut out of Iraq if Saddam remained)?
    • US Flag Officers (celebrity media experts and corporate directors)?
    • US Media (feasted on sensationalized coverage of ‘Shock and Awe’)?

    Should they enjoy safe harbor? Were they hypnotized by AIPAC?

    America has a militarism problem. More flag officers than WW2 command a fraction of the troops. Private for-profit logistics. Private for-profit ‘security contractors’ (mercenaries). Remote killing drones (virtual killing). A $700+ billion Defense budget. Another $40+ billion for DHS. $20 billion average for nuclear weapons. $8+ billion FBI. $15+ billion CIA. $11+ (?) billion NSA. Best? $50+ billion black budget (nobody knows where this goes).

    A river of trillions waters many livelihoods. Does ‘the Lobby’ control it? Don’t think so. A C-Span guest sang the siren song in 2003. We spend all this money on the best military in history – why not use it? Helmuth von Moltke Jüngere reincarnate.

    Lest one think the Black Budget is new, it dates from 1790. It was appropriately called the “Contingency Fund for Foreign Intercourse.” Monty Python couldn’t have put it better.

    “…a clear majority of American Jews…are supportive of the nuclear agreement with Iran and do not favor another Middle Eastern War…” is accurate. Many (most?) didn’t favor Iraq ‘03. Seems we’re in an age of oligarchic “free speech.” And complacent media, which markets infotainment in lieu of reportage.

    But at least we worked out the NFL patriotic kneeling emergency. What a relief! Governance on the level of ‘Jersey Shore.’

    • Replies: @geokat62
  354. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “It’s simply up to you [S2C] to show that you are not a neo-Nazi.”

    iffen,

    I have to side with S2C on this one. He’s not a neo-Nazi.

    S2C is a WTB-Nazi (Want-To-Be-Nazi). It’s a rather broad category, as can readily be seen on Planet Germania. There are WTB-Nordic-Nazis, WTB-Reptilian-Nazis, WTB-Pedagogic-Peacock-Nazis, etc.

    S2C is a rare species known as ‘WTB-Italo-Nazis’ (sometimes slandered as WTB-Dago-Dazzler-Nazis). Enamored of authoritarian régimes, it warbles ever-changing, elaborate praise immune to reason. It has a voracious appetite for other peoples’ lands and is prone to reckless, unsustainable invasions. This is best described as Invasion-Interruptus, wherein frantic squawks summon a real Nazi.

    WTB-Italo-Nazi commentary usually manifests similar behavior, aptly called ‘Commentus-Interruptus.’ For example, when contradicted by fact after chirping “National Socialists DID NOT, repeat DID NOT use antisemitic rhetoric during their campaigns”, it will withdraw the assertion by changing the subject.

    Commentus-Interruptus is a serious malady for most WTB-Nazis, an epidemic worthy of sincere compassion. The good news is behavioral professionals are organizing march-for-cure events as we speak!

    No need to thank me S2C.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  355. @geokat62

    Geokat62,

    I am pleased to learn about your having gotten acquainted with Mr. Blue’s Anti-Empire Report.

    As you please, you can email him and request to have the Anti-Empire Report directly emailed monthly.

    F.Y.I. Mr. Blum resides in Washington D.C. and having had personal communtion experience, he is open to rational reader email comments. One matter though, geokat62. Mr. Blum is undergoing health challenges and I am in awe with how dedicated is he to consistently conveying what he knows.

    (Sigh) Unless I missed recent publications, I have not seen William Blum appear at Counterpunch.org in some time.

    I’d delighted to read his fine work here at the U.R. and he takes reasoned criticism seriously as serious author should.

    Be well and best wishes!

    P.S.: Humbly, I offer a book recommendation for both you and Talha, “In the belly of The Green Bird; The Triumph of Martyrs,” written by Nir Rosen.

  356. @iffen

    Did you make an additional contribution or not?

    dang

    I found something other than iffen to be pissed off about
    – related to this item:

    Erik Edstrom: Teaching Revisionist History 101 at West Point

    http://www.unz.com/tengelhardt/erik-edstrom-teaching-revisionist-history-101-at-west-point/

    The author, a West Point grad, expresses righteous outrage/rage over West Point awarding George H W Bush the Thayer medal, a “high honor” that “no one’s ever heard of.”

    Edstrom lambasts Bush, demonstrating all the ways Bush the Lesser was exactly the opposite of the upstanding moral tradition that informs the conscience of every West Point grad.

    Half right.
    Bush is a war criminal and should not be rewarded for upholding moral standards, he should be in prison or on the end of a piano wire.

    Serendipitously, the other day I came across a collection of Lt Col Pete Kilner’s essays. Kilner styles himself an ethicist and teaches/counsels ethics and morality to West Pointers and helps military personnel deal with post-engagement moral issues.

    This essay caught my eye:

    MORAL MISCONCEPTIONS: FIVE FLAWED ASSUMPTIONS CONFUSE MORAL JUDGMENTS ON WAR

    https://www.ausa.org/articles/moral-misconceptions-five-flawed-assumptions-confuse-moral-judgments-war

    imo nearly every argument Kilner makes to refute the “5 misconceptions” are childishly simplistic; some rely on distortions or omissions of key facts.
    For example, Kilner writes:

    Misconception 4
    Motives must be pure:
    The 1990–91 First Gulf War was a paradigm case of a just war. Iraq invaded and occupied Kuwait, and the U.S. and other countries assisted Kuwaiti forces in liberating their country and re-establishing their government. Critics of the war claim that the United States’ involvement was motivated by a desire to keep oil prices low. Even if they are right, would it matter?

    No, the Gulf War was NOT a “paradigm case of a just war.” Just war theory / Jus Ad Bellum Convention holds that the just war must:

    have just cause, be a last resort, be declared by a proper authority, possess right intention, have a reasonable chance of success, and the end must be proportional to the means used. . .

    First of all, if you have to lie to gain assent to wage war, then any moral claim to having a just cause is null.
    Incubator babies??

    In almost every other way the Persian Gulf war waged by George H W Bush violated jus ad bellum principles but especially:

    War should always be a last resort. This connects intimately with presenting a just cause – all other forms of solution must have been attempted prior to the declaration of war.

    As Vernon Loeb recorded — and the George H W Bush archives as examined by historian Jeff Engel affirm, King Hussein of Jordan, in concert with other Arab leaders, had achieved a resolution to which Saddam would have agreed, and repeatedly asked Bush to let the Arabs take care of their own conflict. Likewise, Mikhael Gorbachev persisted to the point of annoyance in calling Bush and urging him NOT to go to war to resolve the conflict. Bush shouted at him and ignored his advice.

    All other options had NOT been exhausted.

    The Berlin wall had fallen, USSR and Gorbachev no longer had power to counterbalance US power; George H W Bush was King of the Mountain and he wielded his power recklessly. The world is still reeling — and hundreds of thousands are dead, because of his reckless disregard of thousand-year old principles of Justice in War.

    It’s astonishing that an ethicist who teaches West Pointers did not make this basic analysis.

    In summary, if Lt. Col. Pete Kilner is representative of the “moral foundation” provided West Point cadets, the institution — and the United States that, according to a Gallup poll, trusts the military more than any other institution in USA — are in deeper trouble than Erik Erdstrom comprehends.

  357. helena says:
    @iffen

    both can’t be true. it is true that trusting the masses with access to controversial texts has inevitable side effects. but to try and control what people read on the basis that it might be harmful also has side effects. ergo, it seems easier/more natural/more humanitarian/less totalitarian, to follow the former strategy.

    • Replies: @iffen
  358. @Incitatus

    you’re trying too hard, Incitatus.
    You have to trot before you can canter.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  359. @iffen

    Jew-haters shouldn’t be allowed to masquerade as concerned SJWs for Palestine.

    Why ever not?

    From a logical standpoint, it’s just obvious that one can both hate Jews and be concerned that Israelis are treating Palestinians horribly.

    I suspect the real reason for your assertion is that you’d like to classify all people who are concerned about Palestinian rights and mistreatment as “Jew haters”/”anti-semites.”

    If so, at least be man enough to admit it.

  360. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    but it doesn’t look good:

    no, it doesn’t Geo, but at least they aren’t talking about Bolton,

    even if Haley isn’t any better.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/the-most-popular-parlor-game-in-washington-who-will-replace-tillerson/2017/10/22/9aa2f00a-b5d3-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.7becb838be89

    Some reports suggest that if Pompeo gets the State Department job, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) is in line for CIA director.

    this would be a catastrophe

    Cotton is the next McStain

    All I can hope for is that Trump’s base will abandon him if he morphs into Hillary vis-a-vis his foreign policy. I know I will, and I’ve been one of his most patient critics, allowing for all kinds of wrongs so long as he keeps his eye on the big picture and avoids more treasonous wars.

    what a sad thing it would be to see Trump yucking it up with these cretins for a photo op

    as the planet descends into hell on earth

    also of note is that neither Haley nor Pompeo nor Cotton are Jewish

    so even if America had controls for duel nationals, these Gentile shitstains would still do as much harm or more.

    (I’ve been gently, if obliquely nudged here on Unz to use less overtly vulgar language when possible, and I’m committed to that aspiration. But as I tried to think of an appropriate description for someone like Senator Cotton, for instance, the only word that truly, cogently and perfectly describes him is shitstain. Morally, by way of looking at the nature of his character, it’s just too eloquent a word not to use, to describe Tom Cotton. He is a veritable human shitstain. Only far more unpleasant to contemplate than the other kind. Sorry about that)

  361. iffen says:
    @helena

    both can’t be true

    It is true for me as an individual.

    It cannot be extended to a censorious government.

    I do not advocate for such governmental censoring. I support the 1st Amendment and oppose “hate speech” laws.

    Even though I believe liberal democracy is in free fall, I intend to support it until the day before the Armageddon. At that point we face Popper’s Paradox (hat tip to Talha) and I admit that I likely will break bad on the subject.

    • Replies: @helena
  362. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    If disaster relief depends on blind loyalty to a foreign power, can it be long before 911 police response requires a similar oath?

    Well put.

    “Cabal” is defined as “a secret political clique or faction.” AIPAC, Netanyahu, neocons are pretty public.

    Agreed. That’s why the title of Stephen Sniegoski’s book is The Transparent Cabal.

    Those responsible for this nonsense should get a one-way ticket abroad.

    I’d recommend Guantanamo.

    Giraldi’s crusade – if intended to reverse disastrous wars since 1990 – is worthy. If a bit narrow. What’s next? ‘The Lobby French Style’? On down the line

    Actually, its narrowness is its strength. As you know, these other foreign lobbies pale in comparison to the damage being done by The Lobby.

    Would we have invaded Iraq ‘03 without:… Should they enjoy safe harbor? Were they hypnotized by AIPAC?

    The names you named are just as guilty as the neocons. They all should be tried for treason.

    A river of trillions waters many livelihoods. Does ‘the Lobby’ control it? Don’t think so.

    As far as the mission to remake the Middle East is concerned, The Lobby is the éminence grise behind it. Just take a look again at the pic at the top of the page of Phil’s previous article, How I Got Fired. My sense is our host, Ron Unz, must have at least endorsed that pic, if not picked it out himself. And as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

    A C-Span guest sang the siren song in 2003. We spend all this money on the best military in history – why not use it? Helmuth von Moltke Jüngere reincarnate.

    Was that guest’s name Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová)?
    Here’s what Colin Powell had to say about her:

    In his memoirs, Powell recalled that he almost had “an aneurysm” when Albright challenged him to explain “What’s the point of having this superb military you’re always talking about if we can’t use it?”

    “…a clear majority of American Jews…are supportive of the nuclear agreement with Iran and do not favor another Middle Eastern War…” is accurate. Many (most?) didn’t favor Iraq ‘03.

    That’s what the maven keeps telling us. But when he and Brother Nathaneal had a showdown, the maven blinked. As a result, I am more inclined to put more stock in what Brother Nathanael has to say. And here’s what he told Phil who was deliberating whether to recant the previous article he wrote, you know… the one with the provocative title:

    Do NOT re-write your Article, dear Phil, and I speak as a former Jew, now an Orthodox Christian.

    I grew up in an upper-middle class B’nai B’rith synagogue and believe me, MOST American Jews support the warmongering program of the establishment Jewish Lobbies and think tanks.

    I speak with authority here having grown up INSIDE the Jewish community. Oh, many Jews might say to the goyim, ‘I’m against all this war talk.’ BUT with their fellow Jewish ‘lantsmen’ BEHIND CLOSED DOORS they’re ALL for war against Israel’s perceived enemies.

    Every Sabbath Shacharit (morning) service growing up in the 50′s we sang Hatikvah, the Israeli National Anthem. It was part of our ‘religion’ that what’s bad for Israel is bad for all Jews.

    Today that would include all the nations that oppose and/or countering the Zionist project: Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and now Russia.

    Do NOT re-write your Article. You would be voicing a falsehood. +Brother Nathanael Kapner

    So. Incy, all in all I must say that while your position on The Lobby has been evolving somewhat, for some reason, you still prefer to talk about the monkeys in the room, rather than the 800 lb gorilla. Still not sure why that is. I’m hoping it’s not because you have an ulterior motive.

    To my surprise, I noticed two of our more thoughful commenters agreed with your comment. Until we know more about where Incitatus is coming from, I would counsel caution.

  363. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Streaming Now —

    https://www.hudson.org/events/1475-countering-violent-extremism-qatar-iran-and-the-muslim-brotherhood102017

    No need to say how skewed this is. Just heard (on CSPAN) how anti-Semitism threatens dear little Israel, how Qatar is evil for harboring Hamas supporters, etc.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  364. @geokat62

    Geokat62,

    As absurd neo-Nazi charges are proliferating on this article comment thread, please consider the video link (below) and the very important case & unjust persecution of Ursula Haverbeck?

    P.S.: To other commenters who support P. Girald’s work:

    Many comments ago here, Mr. Giraldi recommended “we need to stick together.”

    The Anglo-Zionists succeeded transformingly well at globalization of commerce, effecting free flow of capital & “services” across state borders. Such was done simply by EDICT… The Lobby made sure US Congress And The Corporate Media would carry the message to the Dumb Goyim by pontificating, “Globalization is good and INEVITABLE.”

    At present, an insidious GLOBAL attempt at enforcing Thought Control is picking up the pace. I will end now by suggesting that “We” strive to globalize thought & consciences, and recognize Ursula Haverbeck’s present Europe-based battle is ours.

    Elite Zionists want profitable global solidarity and they require deep Dumb Goyim division and submission. Thanks!

  365. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Until we know more about where Incitatus is coming from, I would counsel caution.

    Can’t have people thinking for themselves, can we?

    Who knows where such impertinence will lead?

    How can you have time to serve as enforcer as well as copy and paster in chief?

  366. @RobinG

    thank you, RobinG.

    I think Rurik discussed replacing Tillerson w/ Cotton and moving Pompeo somewhere else?? I think Pompeo just met with Foundation for Defense of Democracies (which is, of course, anything but), an ominous prospect.

  367. helena says:
    @iffen

    “I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.” hat-tip Popper.

  368. geokat62 says:

    Can’t have people thinking for themselves, can we?

    I know this may be challenging for a PEAbrain to grasp, so I’ll repeat it for the umpteenth time. This has nothing to do with independence of thought, but everything to do with “knowing who’s who in the zoo.”

    Got it, Mr. PEAbody? sheesh!

    • Replies: @iffen
  369. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    everything to do with “knowing who’s who in the zoo.”

    We always need to know which side a person is on before consider what they have to say.

    Nice to know that you have come around to my way of looking at things. :)

  370. @geokat62

    “To my surprise, I noticed two of our more thoughful commenters agreed with your comment. Until we know more about where Incitatus is coming from, I would counsel caution.”

    geokat62,

    Top notch counsel… you can invoice me for that! (Sigh)

    Always I keep in mind what Orwell warned about “ideologues” and how they cherish “telling people how to think.”

    Regarding where Incitatus is “coming from,” his advanced guile-technique makes such sincere & vital attempt IMPOSSIBLE.

    (SIGH)

    One can not confidently brand Inzitatus as a “Minor League” Hasbara practitioner, but rarely does he take on The Lobby with conviction. There is no protest included in his comments for holding Israel accountable for all the unnecessary & immoral M.E. and N. Africa wars. Nicht!

    And were The Maven Shama activated on this comment thread, they’d be falling over one another with self-admiration. (Sigh) Incitatus has cunningly shifted gear and moved into a (dumb goyim) ally-seeking mode.

    In conclusion, I avoid telling you “how to think,” but an amber caution light should flash whenever an InZitatus comment appears.

    Be well!

  371. utu says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I looked at SC’s take on 1990-1991 Iraq and I think he gives too much credence to those who emphasize Saudi Arabia and Gulf States influence. Basically this is the usual disinfo to keep people away form looking at Israel connection. The question whether Hussein was misled and drawn into invading Kuwait still stands. And we can try answer it form the qui bono position. It was the end of the Cold War. We were talking about peace dividends and getting relaxed. And then we had to get involve in the ME going after our asset who we used against Iran. To me it was just too convenient for both MIC and Israel. Then I distinctly remember that Bush was not enthused and had to have is arms twisted to commit to the war. And then he did not go all the way. He did not took the opportunity to go to Bagdad 13 years before his son wen there. To Bagdad from where they could decide to turn right and go to Teheran or let and go to Damascus. The neocons were furious and they never forgave him. On top of it after the war when he had the highest popularity of any president ever he confronted Yitzhak Shamir about settlements and threatened to hold the money for Israel. These two offenses explain why Clinton was brought from Arkansas to replace him. Bush could not be trusted anymore. Bush was the last president who stood up to Israel interests.

    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus, ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @RobinG
  372. @geokat62

    To my surprise, I noticed two of our more thoughful commenters agreed with your comment. Until we know more about where Incitatus is coming from, I would counsel caution.

    George, I do my best to address the substance of someone’s comments and try to avoid ascribing motivation to them, except for the obvious trolls, though I don’t always succeed. Regarding these specific comments from Incitatus, I agree with his statements prima facie, but I think he/she would be foolish to assume that because I agree with this comment, I would blindly agree with any other of his/her comments, and looking through some of her/his previous ones, I find many that I disagree with violently.

    I read your finer points in critiquing his assertions and I agree that his/her points are not inclusive or comprehensive and don’t address “the gorilla in the room”. Nonetheless, I find it possible to agree with the points that he/she does address, and augment the areas he/she doesn’t in subsequent posts, as you have done.

  373. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    For those who may not have an opportunity to view the video or for those who prefer the written word, I have reproduced what I think was the most pertinent question that host Henrik Palmgren put to Prof. MacDonald… and I’m paraphrasing here, so bear with me as I borrow the language that our adversaries like to throw around here at Unz – i.e., it went something like “what got you interested in this “Jew thing” or why, like geo, do you have “Jews on the brain” disease?

    Here is Prof. MacDonald”s response (starting @ 15:15):

    When I started reading about Jewish involvement in immigration policy, that was the one that really put me over the top. When it’s something like psychoanalysis, you can undo that… you can undo that.

    But when you’re importing over 60 million people, you can’t undo that, very well. That’s setting up a massive ethnic conflict… and that is radically opposed to the interests of the white majority. And the whole point of Ch 7 of Culture of Critique… this was a Jewish project. They had lost the battle of 1924; Jews were not as influential, as dominant, as they became after WWII, they lost that. 40 years later they got the immigration law of 1965. That dramatically changed the country. It took a while because at first it was designed not to really change the ethnic balance. But once you got the principle in: that you couldn’t bias immigration towards Western Europe, as it always had been. That principle was gone and so that allowed immigration from all peoples of the world. And now you have whites gradually declining in America, 60%/65% or less than that. And it’s gonna continue. All the projections are that we are going to be a minority, unless we do something.

    And this is a disaster. This is an absolute cataclysmic disaster for the white majority. And it is the result of Jewish activism. So that’s a fundamental statement made. When I started reading about that, that’s when I got angry. I started really getting involved. And I said, I got to be an activist. I got to more than this academic, spinning these things in my computer. I got to really get out there, because this is just an absolute travesty. And it’s not something that the white majority ever wanted, they never voted for it, and they don’t deserve it. So that’s when I started really getting involved.

    Clearly statements that an antisemite would make, clearly someone motivated by hatred, clearly his anger is motivated by irrational fears. This man and his work must be shunned. Right adversaries?

    So, what we have here is called a double whammy:

    1) The domestic policy wing of The Lobby has taken it upon itself to change the demographics of the population to lessen the chances of pogroms occurring in America

    2) The foreign policy wing of The Lobby has taken upon itself to get the dumb clod to launch a phony GWOT to remake the MENA to regime change those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state in an effort to enhance the security of the people living in the villa in the jungle, at the expense, in terms of blood and treasure, of The Dumb Goyim who are slowly being left behind in what looks more and more like the jungle.

    And the kicker is this: us Dumb Goyim are the ones who are put on the defensive by having to explain why we don’t favour these policies, while the Zionists and their useful tools are not obliged to defend these same devastating policies… they just sit there and call The Dumb Goyim Jew-haters for having the temerity of 1) noticing the effects of these policies and 2) speaking openly about it. What they’d like is for us to keep our mouths shut and just take it. Right adversaries?

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @helena
    , @iffen
  374. @utu

    I may not have articulated the case properly.

    I didn’t try to analyze motives or geostrategy — I’m strictly a cut-and-paste guy: I based the things I said on things Jeff Engel said (look at the video — the first part will make you puke: HOWDY!)

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?310832-1/book-discussion-desert-reflections-gulf-war

    Jeff Engel is an historian who is director of either the James Baker institute or the George Bush Institute — I forget which — at Southern Methodist or Texas A&M — I forget which. He examined the archives of G H W Bush’s papers paying special attention to the decision making process to go to war or not to go to war.

    Recall that in 1981 Israel bombed Osirak, which made Saddam determined to pursue a nuclear weapon.

    Notice how Israel was protected and kept OUT of the fight; iirc some Israeli tribal leader went to DC and demanded gas masks & a bundle of money for other protections for Israelis. Also, US manned a Patriot missile battery to protect Israel; something weird happened and 30 or so US military were killed while manning the Patriot battery. Israelis griped that they had to go into shelters and were frightened; an old man died of a heart attack. A holocaust.

    Here’s a lengthy quote of what Jeff Engel concluded after studying Bush’s documents.
    First, regarding Israel:

    Clearly he was constrained by the concerns of the Israeli-Arab dynamic. Now of course Israel is not a member of the coalition but many of the members of the coalition shall we say were not fond of the Israelis. Consequently he was constrained in the need to keep the war from going on long enough for the Israelis for the Israelis to want to retaliate for being hit by Saddam Hussein.
    And at the same time, harken back to what I said earlier about the DESIRE among many in the Middle East for an Arab solution. He was concerned if you went further towards Baghdad and in fact took over Baghdad and deposed Saddam Hussein by force that this would create greater Enmity within the coalition among his Arab members who would view that in some way as a re-establishment of western colonialism. [we'll come back to this point]

    Regarding the decision to invade– Engel’s conclusions are not dispositive inasmuch as they do not touch every party involved, but it’s at the top of the heap of highly credible historic evidence. Make your own decisions.

    We should be frank about what moved them to act. It was NOT the argument that Kuwaiti independence mattered much at all.
    Neither was it that Hussein’s particular brand of evil and tyranny required an American response. Nor was Bush persuaded that Iraq’s aggression carried immediate concerns, or that Iraq might someday turn its oil wealth into dangerous weapons of mass destruction.
    Each of these reasons, in time, influenced Bush’s thoughts, his actions and his statements in the months to come.
    None, however, not freedom, evil, human rights, democracy or WMDs affected his thinking in those first fateful days of August.
    Bush was instead, and this is important, Bush was instead persuaded by the growing realization that he stood at a pivot moment in the course of history.

    . . .

    I argue Bush took the dramatic step into the Gulf Crisis because he saw it as a bridge to a better world. His New World Order, a phrase unveiled in response to Hussein’s invasion, was not just a catchy phrase; it was rather the culmination of a long and difficult journey of intellectual discovery. . . .

    [In the wake of the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989], During the Spring and Summer of 1990 Bush told Global leaders that their alliance required an enemy to survive. In his words the new enemy was instability itself.
    . . .

    In December of 1989 in fact after meeting with Mikhail Gorbechev on the choppy seas off the coast of Malta Bush even lost his temper when pushed by reporters to declare the Cold War over because he simply did not know the answer to the next obvious and fundamental question: What Came Next?
    He said, and I quote: “IS THE COLD WAR THE SAME? I mean is it raging like before in the times of THE BERLIN BLOCKADE? Absolutely NOT. Things have moved dramatically. But IF I Signal to you that THERE’S NO COLD WAR THAN it’s What are you doing with those troops in Europe? I mean, come on!” END QUOTE

    Bush saw in the Gulf War AN OPPORTUNITY as well as in invasion, a point that I will make by way of conclusion. .. He saw within it a chance to demonstrate that Washington would continue to lead. Leading it in particular towards the kind of world promised to His generation as their reward for service in World War II.

    Ultimately this vision of a new world order based on sovereignty and stability is what drove his thinking when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. In a similar vein he said, “The prospect of a global peace continues to depend on an American forward presence. End quote.

    AND he TOLD Gorbechav THE exact SAME THING ON THE EVE OF THE AMERICAN AIR WAR and then subsequently on the eve of the American GROUND WAR as well. THAT LIBERATION OF KUWAIT WAS not an end in itself but SOMETHING BIGGER.

    AND GORBACHEV we should recall ATTEMPTED TO MEDIATE a truce between the world and Iraq . He did so twice, in fact: FIRST on the eve of the air war and then a second time WHEN THE GROUND WAR APPEARED IMMINENT. He CALLED Bush repeatedly on the telephone during this period HOPING TO SAVE LIVES, hoping to save HIS FORMER ALLY in Baghdad and I think hoping to KEEP the world from seeing TOO VIVIDLY a DEMONSTRATION of potentially AMERICAN hegemonic POWER.

    Regarding the decision to go or not to go into Baghdad and take down Saddam, this passage is extremely important, not just for the thinking process at the time but for how that same thinking process still has a hold on policy makers in DC. Here’s what Engel said:

    But there’s a very important distinction here which I would like to make which I think was a revelation to me within the archives and that a there has always been a question when the decision comes — when the study of the decision comes up about whether or not American forces should have continued on to Baghdad in 1991. This was not a discussion within the White House for a very important reason: The ultimate goal or one of the the ultimate goals beyond the liberation of Kuwait was the removal of Saddam Hussein from power. There was a 100 percent certainty on the part of high level American officials that this was going to happen anyway.

    Saddam Hussain had been embarrassed; his own people rising up against him, his own army was out to get him. If he lived weeks it would have been a shock instead of days. 999 times out of 1,000 I think that is exactly how things would have played out, that Saddam would not have survived.

    Unfortunately from the Bush administration’s perspective, George H. W. Bush’s perspective, Saddam rolled the dice and made it. But I think that given the question and those odds again I suspect they would take the same bet again.”

    In fact, never in recent history has a people abandoned its beleaguered leader and clamored for the invader to save it; Allies bombed the hell out of Germany with the goal of forcing the German people to abandon their government, but it did not happen. Japan, similar. North Korea? Didn’t happen. Viet Nam — I don’t know that much about it, but obviously, the VietNamese did not rush to the American embrace. Assad is still Syria’s sovereign.
    US Congress Foreign Affairs committee Ed Royce & Elliot Engel, & senators like Cotton have their dicks in a sling because Iran will not capitulate; they can’t stand it; they’ll impose more sanctions, more demonizing attempts to destabilize Iran because they are bullies who can’t stand someone who does not capitulate to their “better world.”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @RobinG
    , @helena
  375. RobinG says:
    @utu

    As much as certain people promote the “War for Israel” meme, one can’t discount the “strategic denial” aspect of the hegemony chess game. Obviously goes for ME as well as Africa.

    Thanks to Denk for link to Engdahl’s article –

    In late 2007, Dr. J. Peter Pham, a Washington insider who advises the US State and Defense Departments, stated openly that among the aims of the new AFRICOM, is the objective of “protecting access to hydrocarbons and other strategic resources which Africa has in abundance … a task which includes ensuring against the vulnerability of those natural riches and ensuring that no other interested third parties, such as China, India, Japan, or Russia, obtain monopolies or preferential treatment.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-s-war-on-libya-is-directed-against-china-africom-and-the-threat-to-china-s-national-energy-security/26763

    • Replies: @utu
  376. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “I’d recommend Guantanamo.”

    Hellenic style exile and eternal shame is free. Cost of one Guantanamo prisoner: $10+ million/yr. Phil King isn’t worth that. Compromise? 10 years in a Newark NJ Econ-O-Lodge with 24-hr looped reruns of ‘I Dream of Jeannie’ and ‘Gilligan’s Island’. Call it ‘enhanced interrogation’.

    “Actually, its [Giraldi’s crusade] narrowness is its strength.”

    Maybe. But excluding context lets others – the trigger men – off scott-free. Makes scapegoating easy, as Eric Ludendorff might say.

    “They all should be tried for treason.”

    I’m no lawyer. I’d settle for Launching Aggressive War and Crimes Against Peace. But why quibble?

    “As far as the mission to remake the Middle East is concerned, The Lobby is the éminence grise…”

    Yes and no. They get their piece, to be sure. Saudis and Kuwaitis don’t do too badly. KSA is a proxy regional superpower, now with it’s very own $15 billion Thaad (look out Iran!). Sabahs in Kuwait get major logistics contracts. Khalifas in Bahrain get the Fifth Fleet ($$$). All three can slap-down Shiites without Uncle Sam wagging a finger. Talk about money. Even Pakistan, despite the bomb and Osama’s rest stop, cleared $78.3 billion since 1948!

    The head of the food chain is Uncle Sam. Took a lot of oil to make $150+ billion for six Waltons. Just ask Rex.

    “Was that guest’s name Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová)?”

    No, though Albright was equally wise. Spent many unsuccessful hours combing the C-Span archive. Wasn’t a celebrity think tank guru, neocon, or ‘We Think It’s Worth It’ Albright. The banality of the statement, by a pedestrian guest and unchallenged by the host, is haunting.

    “So. Incy, all in all I must say that while your position on The Lobby has been evolving somewhat, for some reason, you still prefer to talk about the monkeys in the room, rather than the 800 lb gorilla. Still not sure why that is. I’m hoping it’s not because you have an ulterior motive.”

    Geo, I’ve never seen the Lobby as the gorilla. They’re along for the ride with many others. But Uncle Sam’s at the wheel. My motive? To kill time. And maybe change Uncle Sam’s bad behavior. Better roads. Fewer 52% operational F-35s.

    “I would counsel caution.”

    Moi? Take heart. As I was telling Wally, ‘Duck-and Cover’ is back! Nuclear armed B-52s on 24-hr standby! Makes one pine for a school desk or back-yard bombshelter.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  377. @SolontoCroesus

    S2C,

    F.Y.I., below is a good refresher course on P.M. Begin’ s order to travel long distance, evade Iraqi antiaircraft defense, & bomb the Osirak reactor. In the video are characters like Alexander Haig who admired Begin’s daring attack and French President Chirac who helped forward President Saddam Hussein’s nuclear ambitions.

  378. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Geo, I’ve never seen the Lobby as the gorilla. They’re along for the ride with many others. But Uncle Sam’s at the wheel.

    Uncle Sam is at the wheel, alright. But it’s the wheel of a bus that has been bought and paid for by The Lobby and the sign on the back reads: remake the Middle East or bust!

    Ok, Incy. Tell you what, if DJT decides to “shock and awe” Iran, will that be sufficient proof that the tail is indeed wagging the dog?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Incitatus
  379. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    You’ve posted this passage from Jeff Engel before, no?

    All of this, and no mention of the “Viet Nam syndrome” that Bush Sr. was curing? And why the BS about sovereignty? Wasn’t Iraq’s oil that Kuwait was stealing an infringement on sovereignty?

    GHW reluctant? Sure. Then who orchestrated the whole thing? Is this Engle jerking off, or jerking his readers around? Puke is right.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  380. utu says:
    @RobinG

    As much as certain people promote the “War for Israel” meme, one can’t discount the “strategic denial” aspect of the hegemony chess game.

    I agree. The hegemony chess game was neglected under GW Bush because everything was about Israel. For example South American was getting off the leash. Obama rebalanced it and got South America back under control and got involved in Africa as well (30 thousand Chinese workers were forced to be evacuated from Libya) while giving a cold shoulder to Netanyahu and making a deal with Iran and dragging his feet in Syria.

    My point about Iraq 1990-1991 war is a as follows. The invasion of Kuwait by Hussain was the opportunity to do what has been done 13 years later. It is possible that via some intelligence services game Hussain was misled and induced to invade Kuwait. Nobody but Israel and possibly American MIC was to benefit from it. GHW Bush paid Israel $500 million to stay away so he could build Arab coalition that just took Kuwait back and did not move against Hussain. Middle East was stabilized and status quo was maintained. This however was not what Israel and neocons wanted. The opportunity was wasted. GHW Bush was not forgiven for it and could not be trusted, particularly after his confrontation with Yitzhak Shamir in late summer 1991, to have a second term. Tom Friedman and William Safire started anti Bush campaign in NYT that chiefly focused on nonexistent economical problems. And then came “It’s the economy, stupid” slogan that fooled people and made them overlook not only Ross Perot, which did to Bush what Teddy Roosevelt did to Taft in 1912, but certainly the Israel unhappiness with Bush. GHW Bush had to go because he tried to play the hegemony chess game and Israel did not like it. If GHW Bush did what he was expected to do perhaps the twin towers would be still standing.

  381. helena says:
    @geokat62

    That’s a great quote because it is succinct but really what more do people need to know.
    I wonder why the term ‘social engineering’ isn’t used, because that is what has been effected – a massive social engineering campaign.
    Back in the early 90s I was talking to someone about the problems in Bangladesh and I asked why people weren’t moved off the delta if it was so hard to scratch a living in that area. And I was told in no uncertain terms that !!social engineering!! was not an option. ironic lols.

  382. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

    If we assume that the 20% non-Jews (Muslims, basically) in the country have the same low IQ as their neighbouring brethren, the Jews in Israel are still under-performing at 98 IQ.

  383. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    why, like geo, do you have “Jews on the brain” disease?

    Jews on the brain disease + dem Jews what done it = Judeocentric

    I found this word when reading J. Goldberg on M&W’s Lobby. He used it in place of anti-Semitism. I think that it does not work in that Judeocentric would be an extreme form of anti-Semitism and also it doesn’t describe what M&W wrote.

  384. helena says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    The London monument is announced. According to the architect, it is ‘architecture as emotion’ but looking at it, it isn’t obvious what emotion it portrays. https://www.dezeen.com/2017/10/24/david-adjaye-wins-competition-design-national-holocaust-memorial-london-uk/

  385. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    With the benefit of hindsight, things are starting to come into sharper focus. I now see the brilliance in the sequencing of these acts. It was necessary to take down Saddam first as this exposed the Sunni Arabs (led by KSA) to the vulnerability of the Shia (led by Iran). The Jewish state would then form a partnership with the Sunni Arabs to confront their arch nemesis, the Shia Arc, comprised off Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah.

    It looks like I may not have been too far off the mark.

    Here’s an excerpt from Pat Buchanan latest article, Are Our Mideast Wars Forever?

    [MORE]

    Bottom line: The U.S. goal of crushing the ISIS caliphate is almost attained. But if our victory in the war against ISIS leaves Iran in the catbird seat in Baghdad and Damascus, and its corridor from Tehran to Baghdad, Damascus and Beirut secure, is that really a victory?

    Do we accept that outcome, pack up and go home? Or do we leave our forces in Syria and Iraq and defy any demand from Assad to vacate his country?

    Sunday’s editorial in The Washington Post, “The Next Mideast Wars,” raises the crucial questions now before us.

    Would President Trump be willing to fight a new war to keep Iran from consolidating its position in Iraq and Syria? Would the American people support such a war with U.S. troops?…

    Why would Israel wish to provoke a war with Syria?

    Because the Israelis see the outcome of the six-year Syrian civil war as a strategic disaster.

    Hezbollah, stronger than ever, was part of Assad’s victorious coalition. Iran may have secured its land corridor from Tehran to Beirut. Its presence in Syria could now be permanent.

    And only one force in the region has the power to reverse the present outcome of Syria’s civil war – the United States.

    Bibi Netanyahu knows that if war with Syria breaks out, a clamor will arise in Congress to have the U.S. rush to Israel’s aid.

    Closing its Sunday editorial the Post instructed the president:

    “A failure by the United States to defend its allies or promote new political arrangements for (Syria and Iraq) will lead only to more war, the rise of new terrorist threats, and, ultimately, the necessity of more U.S. intervention.”

    The interventionist Post is saying: The situation is intolerable. Confront Assad and Iran now, or fight them later.

    Trump is being led to the Rubicon. If he crosses, he joins Bush II in the history books.

    http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2017/10/23/mideast-wars-forever/

  386. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    More evidence that previous sightings of the 800lb gorilla were legitimate.

    Excerpts from Philip Weiss’ latest article, Trump plays to the neocons and Netanyahu to get some establishment support:

    Were you as frightened by Donald Trump’s October 13 speech on Iran as I was? The president used the word “regime” 29 times in that speech — this “rogue regime”, this “fanatical regime”, this “radical regime,” etc. Plus he sloppily linked Iran to Al Qaeda and other “terrorist networks”–

    The regime remains the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism, and provides assistance to al Qaeda, the Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas, and other terrorist networks.

    ———–

    This time round, the press is tiptoeing around the question. The most direct reference to Israel’s interest came from the president himself in a tweet when he learned that New York Senator Chuck Schumer was supporting the deal, this time around: “Tell that to Israel, Chuck!” Trump wrote…

    I don’t think we’ll ever defeat the lobby till we call it out. Neither the media nor the Democrats are yet prepared to do so.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/10/neocons-netanyahu-establishment/

    So, Incy, are you onboard in trying to defeat The Lobby?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Incitatus
  387. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    If you are going to be the enforcer, you may need to talk with your main man, Walt; he seems to be going off script from you.

    Forward
    What Dennis Ross Gets Wrong About the ‘Israel Lobby’
    By Stephen M. Walt October 6, 2017

    Hochberg and Ross also make a crude attempt to link me to Valerie Plame, who was recently condemned for re-tweeting an anti-Semitic column that accused American Jews of being responsible for most if not all of our country’s recent wars. For the record, I thought the original column she retweeted was both wrong and offensive and Plame should never have promoted it in any way. simply an attempt at “guilt-by-association.”

    In our original article in the London Review of Books, in fact, we wrote that “it would be wrong to blame the war in Iraq on ‘Jewish influence,’” and we pointed out that American Jews were less supportive of the decision to go to war than the American population at large.

    I think I can get into this copying and pasting. :)

    But how do you make them read it?

  388. geokat62 says:

    If you are going to be the enforcer, you may need to talk with your main man, Walt; he seems to be going off script from you.

    No need to talk to either M or W. I had posted the article you referenced myself well before you did so. Any surprise either M or W have chosen to distance themselves from Phil’s article given the provocative title he gave it? None, whatsoever. Had either M or W endorsed Phil’s article, it would have been game over as far as the solid scholarship that went into producing their magnum opus, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. How did Walt put it? Oh, yeah… simply an attempt at “guilt-by-association.”

    Now, putting aside your feeble attempt to through Phil under the bus, let’s address your weasely attempt to cast doubt on M&W’s main thesis (the title of their book should give you a clue) by quoting his denial of the role of “Jewish influence”:

    In our original article in the London Review of Books, in fact, we wrote that “it would be wrong to blame the war in Iraq on ‘Jewish influence,’” and we pointed out that American Jews were less supportive of the decision to go to war than the American population at large.

    See, take it from a cut & paste pro, it’s not as easy as it looks. The tricky part is to ensure you provide the full context whenever you try to base an argument by referencing a quote. Your clue was provided to you by Walt, when he stated: “In our original article in the London Review of Books, in fact, we wrote that…”

    Had you properly done your homework, you would have DuckDuckGoed the article that Walt referenced and you would have seen the full context in which the “Jewish influence” remark had been made (hint to PEAbrains: pay special attention to the bolded part):

    Although neoconservatives and other lobby leaders were eager to invade Iraq, the broader American Jewish community was not. In fact, Samuel Freedman reported just after the war started that “a compilation of nationwide opinion polls by the Pew Research Center shows that Jews are less supportive of the Iraq war than the population at large, 52% to 62%.” Thus, it would be wrong to blame the war in Iraq on “Jewish influence.” Rather, the war was due in large part to the lobby’s influence, and especially that of the neoconservatives within it.

    http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/A0040.pdf

    So, you see, had you been a consummate cutter and paster you would have included this very important sentence. But you didn’t.

    I think I can get into this copying and pasting. :)

    But how do you make them read it?

    As I’ve repeatedly reminded you in the past, cutting and pasting is an art, not a science. You need to dedicate yourself to learning the finer points. So, my advice, pay close attention to how the pros do it… and you might save yourself some embarrassment in the future.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
    , @RobinG
  389. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Thus, it would be wrong to blame the war in Iraq on “Jewish influence.” Rather, the war was due in large part to the lobby’s influence, and especially that of the neoconservatives within it.

    This is an attempt to have one’s cake and eat it too.

    If the Israel Lobby is not Jewish influence, what is?

    The lobby’s, not the Lobby’s, influence?

    Which lobby? The NRA?

    They should be more forthright and stop their doubletalk and go ahead and do like Giraldi did and blame America’s Jews.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @helena
  390. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Hi Iffen & Incitatus,
    I’ve been swamped at work this past week and only just now taking a short window to read UR. I see activity. None unpredictable, none reaching standards which merit serious thought. I see you, Iffen, Incitatus, and the new commentator Tyrion, doing tireless work in aid of all normal-minded people who might stumble upon this site. What you say is correct of course, and I see, as I have for a time now, the conditions of our familiar interlocutors as mostly beyond redemption. There is no rhyme and little reason in their words. They are essentially gaoled in a chamber of their own, far too invested to escape the privations they suffer; of normal information and a normal world.

    I shall be travelling to Korea and then India [work related]for the next two weeks and will check the site and inform you of my experiences abroad. I intend to find out, aside from my main activities, what the attitudes of peoples and businesses are towards the U.S. I am hearing increasingly, of a good disposition toward collaborations with American firms in these nations.

    Be well and toil not so hard in the bitter vineyard.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Incitatus
  391. geokat62 says:

    If the Israel Lobby is not Jewish influence, what is?

    Exactly. And we’re attacked as antisemites, Jew haters, pellet droppers, or rubber boot wearers for pointing that out. The nerve of some people, huh iffen?

    • Replies: @iffen
  392. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Any surprise either M or W have chosen to distance themselves from Phil’s article given the provocative title he gave it? None, whatsoever. Had either M or W endorsed Phil’s article, it would have been game over as far as the solid scholarship

    Help a pea-brain out here.

    You are saying that in order to protect his own writing from a charge of anti-Semitism it was necessary for him to label Giraldi’s piece as anti-Semitic.

    (Talk about throwing somebody under the bus.)

    He either believes Giraldi’s piece is anti-Semitic or he made the accusation falsely for personal gain.

    I have to tell you geo, from the little that I have read by the man; I don’t see or sense that kind of intellectual dishonesty.

    Maybe there is another explanation that my pea-brain can’t see.

  393. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    PD, we may need help from bigger brains, but I get the impression that M & W were trying to make a distinction between Jewish influence and the Israel lobby/Lobby.

    Since it eluded you and did not convince me, I question the value of their construction.

  394. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    There is no rhyme and little reason in their words.

    Judeo-centric. New word for me.

    In case you missed my comment:

    Jews on the brain disease + dem Jews what did it = Judeo-centric.

  395. Talha says:

    distinction between Jewish influence and the Israel lobby/Lobby

    Are you saying that they are the same? I would imagine the Israeli Lobby is under the umbrella of Jewish influence but is a specific sub-type that is considered by many to be pernicious. Why must calling out the Israeli Lobby’s negative influence necessarily be conflated with Jewish influence in general?

    Let’s take the influence of the Saudis on US policy. Sure Saudi influence can be accurately classified under the umbrella of Muslim influence in general – but criticizing the Saudi Lobby is hardly taken as criticizing the concept of Muslims having influence in the US in toto.

    Are you saying the Israeli Lobby (which pushes for Israeli-first policies that can hardly be described as being distinct from the Neocons*) represents the desires of all Jews in general?

    Peace.

    *Saudi lobby is basically the same as well.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  396. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “the wheel of a bus…bought and paid for by The Lobby and the sign on the back reads: remake the Middle East or bust!”

    You’re welcome to your opinion, Geo. I disagree.

    US interest in the ME:
    1. Safeguard stable energy (essential for global trade, consumerism, finance, and USD);
    2. Play off locals so none get too much control over #1;
    3. Advance and ensure US corporate interests (oil services, aircraft, financial products…);
    4. Stimulate weapons demand via limited regional conflicts (#2);
    5. Deter all potential future rivals.

    Example:
    Encourage Iraq to war with Revolutionary Iran (holding US hostages) in 1980. Promise Saddam US AID, loans, weapons transfers, satellite photos, and chemical and biological technology. Stay true thick and thin, poison gas attack (first use Nov 1980) after attack. After eight years of slaughter Iran is humbled, defiant and isolated. Ally Saddam is left with a large army with a lot of free time on it’s hands. Sans guerre, he no longer needs us. His military becomes a threat.

    Saddam’s problem is war debt owed OPEC siblings (especially Kuwait). They refuse to raise oil prices to enable repayment. Their stubbornness is folly considering the Iraqi army. But they must know that. Are we twisting their arms to keep prices low?

    Enter April Glaspie and “We [the US] have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait” (25 Jul 1990). A set up? Get Saddam to invade Kuwait, then insist he leave? He’d have two options. Withdraw: weakness probably leading to a coup. Stay and face armed force that destroys his military (2 Aug ‘90 – 28 Feb ‘91). Both US win/wins.

    Results:
    • US remains unrivaled (#1-5, USSR dissolves Dec ‘91);
    • Kuwait and KSA are further obliged to US, ensuring #1;
    • Kuwait and KSA pay US expenses, making it a sweet war indeed;
    • Saddam’s reversal deters aspiring imitation;
    • Israel, kept idle when scudded, loses a neighboring threat.

    Everybody’s happy (except Saddam)!

    Did Israel benefit more than US? Did it push the US into war? Don’t think so.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  397. geokat62 says:

    Jews on the brain disease + dem Jews what did it = Judeo-centric.

    PEAbrain + neo-Nazi hunter = informed Goy-centric.

  398. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    “…..an attempt at “guilt-by-association.”

    Forget about Guilt by Association. Simply the fear of being accused….of entertaining someone…. who is associated with someone….who has defended someone…. who has been accused….of inadequately denouncing someone…. who is considered… anti-Semitic! is quite enough.

    And thus it came to pass that GW students withdrew their invitation for two Palestinian refugees to speak about their 1948 ethnic cleansing by Zionist terrorists, and their life in a camp in Lebanon. Facts were not important. (The students declared they were not interested in any counter-argument.) The accusation was sufficient.

    “Abby Brooks, the president of GW’s SJP chapter, said the organization supports the Nakba tour.” Really? You could have fooled me.

    https://www.gwhatchet.com/2017/10/23/pro-palestinian-group-cancels-speaker-over-concerns-organizer-has-anti-semitic-ties/

    • Replies: @iffen
  399. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “…are you onboard in trying to defeat The Lobby?”

    Geo,

    Tell me what “defeating the Lobby” looks like. Specific measures and sequence please. Describe the post-Lobby world.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  400. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    You’re welcome to your opinion, Geo.

    And you are welcome to yours, Incy.

    Did Israel benefit more than US? Did it push the US into war? Don’t think so.

    Why am I not surprised? My sense is that it probably has something to do with your eyewear. Something tells me your spectacles are designed to see only monkeys, but not 800 lb gorillas… just sayin’

  401. iffen says:
    @Talha

    distinction between Jewish influence and the Israel lobby/Lobby

    Are you saying that they are the same?

    I am saying that it is fudge. Where does the influence on the Israel lobby/Lobby come from if not from Jews? Sure, my peeps are there, but does anyone seriously think the situation would be the same if there were no American Jews and only Evangelicals?

    Are you saying the Israeli Lobby (which pushes for Israeli-first policies that can hardly be described as being distinct from the Neocons*) represents the desires of all Jews in general?

    No, I know that some Muslims in your community speak out against (well, the stuff that you speak out against, Talha.) Just like there are Jews that speak out against Israeli policies.

    The difference is the position of American Jews in important sectors. If you Muslims get to that position we will take up that issue.

    American Jews have a real problem vis-à-vis Israel’s domestic and foreign policies and what that entails for Jewish identity.

  402. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    Get a handle on that capitalization problem, RobinG.

    Most of us have a good idea of what is meant by guilt by association, so leave off with the 1000 word explanations.

    Keep going with the ice pick mode of posting links while geo uses the copying and pasting of 10 pages sledge hammer approach.

  403. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Tell me what “defeating the Lobby” looks like. Specific measures and sequence please.

    I have a dream… just kidding!

    As I’ve repeatedly indicated, it is my strong belief that ethical members of the Jewish community itself will be the ones that defeat The Lobby. More and more of them know in their heart of hearts that there is something fundamentally wrong in being a PEP (progressive except Palestine). They feel the hypocrisy of calling for mass immigration for the US while fiercely defending the ethnic homogeneity of the Jewish state. They can no longer shield these lies from their children and more and more of their children are no longer willing to perpetuate these lies. We can already see the fissures starting to develop. It’s just a matter of time before the Zionist project is declared a resounding failure.

    Describe the post-Lobby world.

    If the damage caused by a non-restrictionist immigration policy can be mitigated, if not undone, what it looked like in a pre-Lobby world.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @iffen
  404. geokat62 says:

    American Jews have a real problem vis-à-vis Israel’s domestic and foreign policies and what that entails for Jewish identity.

    Care to expand on that point a little further?

  405. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Why am I not surprised? My sense is that it probably has something to do with your eyewear. Something tells me your spectacles are designed to see only monkeys, but not 800 lb gorillas… just sayin’”

    On the other hand, it might have something to do with Arab ME business/travel 1973-90s and living in KSA 90s. Just sayin’

    “As I’ve repeatedly indicated, it is my strong belief that ethical members of the Jewish community itself will be the ones that defeat The Lobby.”

    How would they do that? Specifics please.

    “[ethical Jews know] there is something fundamentally wrong in being a PEP (progressive except Palestine)”

    What would you suggest they do to improve to the Israel-Palestinian relations? Specifics please.

    Here’s what I suggested (6 Sep 2016 #264 to alexander):

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1558317

    Look forward to your critique.

    You seem in need of loyal confederates for a necktie party. No other opinion is welcome. No plans other than to “defeat The Lobby.” Or, to be more exact, to have someone else “defeat the lobby” by unknown means. No constructive suggestions for Israel-Palestine. Is finding fault more important than finding a future?

    “…the tail is indeed wagging the dog?”

    With respect, Geo, the only tail I’ve seen is the one you’re chasing in circles.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Talha
  406. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hi Sam,

    Glad you’ve an interesting literary. Beware the Kimchi.

    Vineyard life continues. Given the atmosphere, does the following remind you of anything?

    http://cliptank.com/funny-clips/dave-chappelle-black-k-k-k-member.html

    Be happy in your work, as the saying goes.

    Bon voyage.

  407. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Don’t weasel past #402 as per your usual behavior.

  408. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    How would they do that? Specifics please.

    No problem. Incy. They would simply declare they no longer believe in what the Zionist project has become, i.e., an apartheid state. They would also publicly state that The Lobby no longer speaks for them. They would do the good work Philip Weiss is doing with his MW website that shines a light on the misdeeds of the Jewish state and The Lobby.

    I think it was Peter Beinart who once said:

    For several decades, the Jewish establishment has asked American Jews to check their liberalism at Zionism’s door, and now, to their horror, they are finding that many young Jews have checked their Zionism instead.”

    What would you suggest they do to improve to the Israel-Palestinian relations? Specifics please.

    Put the special relationship on a more normal footing.

    Here’s what I suggested (6 Sep 2016 #264 to alexander):

    For any of that to happen, pressure has to brought to bear on the Israelis. And for that to happen, the WH and The Congress have to have the support of the public in placing significant demands on the Jewish state. If DJT does the bidding of The Lobby and takes out the last country on their list of 7 countries in 5 years, I believe that the night flower will no longer be able to hide in the dark. Even more people will be willing to talk openly about the 800lb gorilla.

    Is finding fault more important than finding a future?

    At this stage, it is indeed more important to correctly identify the problem. Only after having successfully completed that stage does it make sense to move on to the next stage, putting forward proposals to resolve it.

    With respect, Geo, the only tail I’ve seen is the one you’re chasing in circles.

    That’s ok, Incy. I’m sure I’ll catch it sooner or later.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @geokat62
  409. geokat62 says:

    Don’t weasel past #402 as per your usual behavior.

    My usual behaviour? Listen, not wishing be drawn into one of your fruitless rabbit holes reflects more on your behaviour, than mine.

    In other words, try posing serious queries or don’t waste my time, ok?

  410. Dekp says:
    @Wally

    Ignorant antisemites

    • Replies: @iffen
  411. helena says:
    @iffen

    People have trouble understanding a Venn diagram these days.

  412. iffen says:
    @Dekp

    Ignorant antisemites

    Not all of them are ignorant; some just pretend.

  413. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Also you have an advantage that American Jews do not have. You can reject KSA and the ISIS caliphate and point to “good” Muslim states like Morocco, but the Jews are stuck with Israel.

    Maybe instead of concentrating on a two-state solution, we should look at a three or four state solution. If we had more Jewish states, American Jews wouldn’t be locked in to supporting Israel. They could have a choice among the good, the bad or the ugly. :)

    • Replies: @Talha
  414. iffen says:

    Mearsheimer does a pretty good job of defending his blurb for Atzmon’s book here:

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/26/mearsheimer-responds-to-goldbergs-latest-smear/

  415. geokat62 says:

    If this is taking place across the pond, it’s just a matter of time before the same thing happens here.

    Excerpt from Robert Cohen’s article, Balfour anniversary drives a wedge into British consensus on Israel:

    As the Balfour centenary year approaches its climax on 2 November, we’re witnessing in Britain the fracturing of decades of mainstream political consensus over Israel and the gradual isolation of the Jewish communal leadership as it becomes ever more intolerant of Palestinian solidarity.

    Labour Party conference

    Three weeks ago at the annual Labour Party conference, Corbyn’s biggest applause line was not about Brexit or austerity but for this:

    “Let’s give real support to end the oppression of the Palestinian people, the 50-year occupation and illegal settlement expansion and move to a genuine two-state solution of the Israel-Palestine conflict.”

    It wasn’t only because the 4,000 party members in the hall endorsed the sentiment that they applauded for so long. It was because they were fed up with the intimidation from the Israel lobby in the UK that attempts to turn every expression of Palestinian solidarity into an investigation about antisemitism. See Jamie Stern-Weiner for a forensic take-down of the most recent attempt to make Labour toxic on this issue.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/10/balfour-anniversary-consensus/

    I say this with the outmost of confidence, The Lobby’s days are numbered.

  416. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “They [ethical Jews] would simply declare they no longer believe in what the Zionist project has become, i.e., an apartheid state. They would also publicly state that The Lobby no longer speaks for them.”

    Imagine it’d be easier if they had a hopeful alternate for Israel’s future. Not easy, since Chicken Little Likud (like the GOP) zealously cries ‘the sky is falling’ to exact unquestioning conformity. Netanyahu’s ‘Arabs flooding the polls’, or ‘Iran-the-terminator’ spiel is pretty effective. Demagoguery never goes out of style.

    A viable future will take Mandela-like Palestinian leadership. Existing figures seem as corrupt as Bibi.

    “If DJT does the bidding of The Lobby and takes out the last country on their list of 7 countries in 5 years, I believe that the night flower will no longer be able to hide in the dark.”

    Nicely put. Wouldn’t put it past DJT (or HRC), with cheerleaders like Cotton and Royce. Iran would then likely nail KSA oil fields. Hopefully DJT’s full of hot air, like most real-estate developer – casino owners.

    “If the damage caused by a non-restrictionist immigration policy can be mitigated, if not undone, what it looked like in a pre-Lobby world.”

    Unrestricted, illegal immigration is the staple of many lobbies. From the US Chamber of Commerce to Silicon Valley celebrities. DJT’s ‘wall’ is pure theater for his base. An opportunity for his cronies to make big bucks.

    Cheap illegal labor risking deportment – indentured servitude – is addictive. No wall will stop it: 40% fly in. Mandatory E-Verify, with huge fines or deportation for employers, is an easy, free fix. The DNC and GOP avoid it.

    Looks like Cotton may soon have company, if kingmaker Bannon’s successful.

    “…We must remember that Israel is the United States’ most important ally and partner in the Middle East and should reject agreements or policies that undermine Israel’s security. We should pass the Taylor Force Act and move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.”
    -Judge Roy Moore https://www.roymoore.org/Positions/

    But there’s trouble in paradise. Roy forgot to report $498,000 income from his charity – the Foundation for Moral Law. No doubt he was too busy policing restrooms and peering into bedrooms. What makes his foundation worth a tax-exemption?

    “The Foundation for Moral Law advocates Moore’s Christian right and socially conservative views through the filing of amicus briefs in courts. The group is anti-abortion, opposed to same-sex marriage and supportive of public prayer…From 2005 through 2013, Roy Moore and his family drew $1,030,875 from the Foundation for Moral Law”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Moral_Law

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/charitys-promised-back-pay-to-roy-moore-was-not-reported-to-irs-as-income/2017/10/19/fa31ab9c-b042-11e7-99c6-46bdf7f6f8ba_story.html?utm_term=.22695788f0ff

    Moral Law pays pretty well.

    • Replies: @iffen
  417. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey Incitatus,

    Here’s what I suggested (6 Sep 2016 #264 to alexander)

    I like the suggestions you gave, fairly solid. It’s a great starting point for negotiations and resolutions. I can see you’ve put a lot of thought into it, you came up with some things that weren’t even on my radar.

    As to your comments on the Israel and US relationship. I’d say they are fairly accurate, but slightly dated. For sure Israel seemed to just fit in nicely into the grand top-dog imperial/capitalist hegemon scheme for the longest time. This was the time of Reagan, Bush, etc. seasoned conservatives like James Baker, Haig, Schultz, etc. But the relationship evolved. Israel knew its place in the grand scheme of things and seemed to be fairly content and the old-guard conservatives knew not to let it get too uppity and also knew where interests diverged.

    I believe we are at a new paradigm. There is no way an Israeli PM from the past could have given a speech deriding Reagan or Bush from the podium at the House and gotten standing ovations. Furthermore, it seems more and more that we seem to be getting a lot less gain from anything we do in the ME, but the only ones that do seem to be gaining are Israel (and Saudi at a distant second). Even after disastrous policies, the Neocons are still firmly in place and they are all (whether Jewish or not) firmly in Israel’s corner.

    Peter Beinart (who is a progressive Jewish critic of Israel and her influence on US politics) nailed it fairly well:
    “The American Jewish establishment’s dominance of the Israel debate in Washington has never been more complete. In fact, it has reached the point of parody. As his top Israel advisers, Donald Trump has appointed three men — Jared Kushner (his son-in-law) and Jonathan Greenblatt and David Friedman (his former lawyers) — whose only qualifications are their Jewishness and their relationships to him. None has any relevant governmental experience or academic expertise.
    To grasp the absurdity of their appointments, imagine that Malia Obama had married a Palestinian-American Muslim and become a devout Muslim herself. Then imagine that her father had named his Palestinian Muslim son-in-law — who lacked any qualification other than his ethnic and religious background — to oversee the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. Then imagine that President Obama had named two other unqualified Palestinian-American Muslims, who had worked with him in Chicago, to round out his Middle East team.”

    http://forward.com/opinion/israel/382570/what-ta-nehisi-coates-tells-us-about-jared-kushner-israel-and-the-power-of/

    It is when you “swap hats” in the hypothetical that Beinart does that you realize how absolutely crazy this is.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  418. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Roy forgot to report $498,000 income from his charity

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/10/20/roy-moore-campaign-calls-washington-post-retract-tax-story-fire-reporters-cooked-fake-news/

    Anyway cuck season is open.

    Corker is conked, Flake is flipped.

    We want Ben! We want Ben!

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Incitatus
  419. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    American Jews have a real problem vis-à-vis Israel’s domestic and foreign policies and what that entails for Jewish identity.

    This is correct, this is the major problem as I see it. Even Jewish people that want reasonable policies and just want to support Israel as the only visible nation with a Jewish character are getting railroaded into supporting practically everything The Lobby and the Neocons are pushing for since they are firmly in charge and there seem to be fairly few alternatives. Though I think Geo is right, many young Jews are going to support Israel less and less due to the cognitive dissonance it causes for them.

    I can appreciate that Jewish people have a natural affinity to Israel just like I can appreciate that a Roman Catholic has an affinity to the Vatican. But pushing for myopic policies that are causing horrific bloodshed around the world is not acceptable.

    They could have a choice among the good, the bad or the ugly.

    This was where many parts of the Muslim world goofed. It was caught up in secular Arab ethno-nationalism (flip side of secular Jewish ethno-nationalism) and so ended up isolating a lot of its historical Jewish populations (which were quite sizable – As I mentioned before, 1/3 of Baghdad was Jewish) and helping them into the arms of Zionists (which was exactly their narrative; “This is your only home.”). As I said in post #251; Had they not done this, a counter-narrative would easily exist; Israel could claim to be the homeland of all Jews and the Jews of the wider Middle East would simply have laughed and said, “piss off”. If you have the time, watch the documentary on post #261 – well worth the time.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  420. iffen says:
    @Talha

    If I was conspiracy minded like some here, I would say that the Jews bribed and manipulated the Arab countries into attacking them in 1948. It has been a piece of cake since then.

    Chipping off little pieces of the WB seems to point to the end of their luck.

    • Replies: @Talha
  421. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I wouldn’t go that far, but there were definitely Zionist plots to make life difficult for Jews in their homelands. False-flag attacks and such. They were really frustrated that many Jews in the ME simply weren’t interested in their grand schemes so they had to “push” things in their direction.

    Peace.

  422. iffen says:

    Sasse

    But we have to wait until 2020.

  423. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Judge Moore is an honorable man who has served the public according to the highest of ethical standards and in accordance with the law…”

    Moral Law, that is. Roy alone can explain it. Pay no attention to the Alabama Court of the Judiciary. Little wonder he’s called the “Ayatollah of Alabama”.

    No doubt Hobby Lobby will give him a lifetime pass to the new Museum of the Bible. Maybe he’ll star in a living exhibit with his ten commandments monument! After all, the Museum also knows a lot about Moral Law:

    ‘Hobby Lobby Agrees to Forfeit 5,500 Artifacts Smuggled Out of Iraq’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/nyregion/hobby-lobby-artifacts-smuggle-iraq.html

    “We want Ben! We want Ben!”

    How about Jim Webb? I know. It’ll never happen.

    Finally, First Place in the Bad Taste Category goes to:

    ‘Anne Frank costume pulled after social media backlash’

    http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/anne-frank-costume-pulled-after-social-media-backlash/

    I had my heart set on one (size large)!

  424. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    “I’d say they [your comments] are fairly accurate, but slightly dated.”

    Thanks for the kind words. Afraid my visage is no less dated.

    “There is no way an Israeli PM from the past could have given a speech deriding Reagan or Bush from the podium at the House and gotten standing ovations.”

    Agree. It was shameful pandering, as stupid and embarrassing as DJT’s BHO Birtherism. Interesting James Baker was a deal breaker for Adelson’s support of Jeb Bush.

    “…the relationship evolved”

    A (the?) big change came in early 2001:

    “We’re going to correct the imbalances of the previous administration on the Mideast conflict. We’re going to tilt back towards Israel. And we’re going to be consistent. I’m not going to go by past reputations when it comes to Sharon. Just saw him one time [Dec 1998]. We flew over the Palestinian camps. Looked real bad down there. I don’t see much we can do over there at this point. I think it’s time to pull out of that situation….Maybe that’s the best way to get things back in balance. Sometimes a show of strength by one side can really clarify things.”
    -George W. Bush, First NSC Principles Meeting, 30 January 2001 (emphasis added)

    GWB reversed fifty years of American policy, abandoned any pretense of a peace process. The rest of the meeting discussed Saddam and loosening sanctions.

    “…it seems more and more that we seem to be getting a lot less gain from anything we do in the ME, but the only ones that do seem to be gaining are Israel (and Saudi at a distant second).”

    Agree again, but I’d say it’s Likud that’s gaining. Contrary spirits in Israel are increasingly powerless. Israel and KSA seem to have a blossoming love affair. Each probably counts on swatting the other when the time is right. Scorpions in a bottle. The war in Yemen is a disgrace, KSA’s Lebanon. We share a lot of blame.

    “To grasp the absurdity of their [Kushner, Greenblatt, Friedman] appointments…”

    Most recently Friedman’s claim Israel occupies 2% of the West Bank. Prince Jared the Peacemaker? Doubt Israelis can keep a straight face. Wonder if DJT owes Kushner senior money. Beinart doesn’t mention DJT’s ludicrous conflicts of interest. They make Nero look like a choirboy.

    Can’t help thinking Vonnegut would have loved the whole mess.

    Best.

  425. iffen says:

    Nothing can be done with the questions about Moore. He had many reluctant supporters among the base here in Alabama. Some Evangelicals question his style.

    One of two choices: him or Big Luther, who was a poster child for opportunistic cucks.

    It’s time to choose sides, it won’t matter if we wait too long.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  426. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “He [Moore] had many reluctant supporters…One of two choices: him or Big Luther…”

    Hobson’s choice. HRC vs DJT. Beets vs cauliflower.

    “Some Evangelicals question his style.”

    Question Moral Law? Get the stake ready.

    Times have changed.

    “On my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention…all attributed the peaceful dominion of religion in their country mainly to the separation of church and state…during my stay in America I did not meet a single individual, of the clergy or the laity, who was not of the same opinion on this point.” [308]

    “The church cannot share the temporal power of the state without being the object of a portion of that animosity which the latter excites.” [310]

    “…in forming an alliance with a political power, religion augments its authority over a few and forfeits the hope of reigning over all.” [310]

    -Alexis de Tocqueville, ‘Democracy in America’ 1832

    Doug Jones any better?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Talha
  427. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Doug Jones any better?

    Need I say anything more?

    Editor at large of the Weekly Standard and #NeverTrump warrior Bill Kristol challenged Republicans via Twitter on Wednesday:

    1. Doug Jones would be a better U.S. senator than Roy Moore.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/10/20/how-do-you-argue-for-roy-moore/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.b4e72135904c

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  428. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Moore as a senator would be a constant embarrassment to the GOP”

    Now that’s an interesting contest. Who’s more embarrassing? Roy ‘Moral Law’ Moore vs Donald ‘Tic-Tac’ Trump. World Wrestling Entertainment could host it.

    “To do my duty, I must obey God” vs. “When you’re a star they let you do it.”

    Opening round POTUS: “You know, people don’t understand: I went to an Ivy League college. I was a nice student. I did very well. I’m a very intelligent person…[I have] one of the great memories of all time.” Roy has his work cut out for him.

    Kristol’s worried about GOP embarrassment? That ship sailed long ago.

    BDS news:

    “About two years ago, the security cabinet made the Strategic Affairs Ministry responsible for coordinating the fight against “delegitimization” and earmarked major resources for these efforts…money has been given to Jewish organizations overseas for public relations work on campuses and elsewhere…[the ministry] is involved in “gathering intelligence and attacking.””

    “…secrecy surrounding the [legal] contracts raises the suspicion that the work involves not only writing legal opinions but also preparing lawsuits against BDS supporters, as Israel does not want to be revealed as supporting such actions, to avoid the perception that it is interfering in the internal affairs of other countries.”

    “There is the danger of a slippery slope in the secrecy shrouding Israeli anti-BDS activity in the world,” Mack told Haaretz. “It is deeply worrying that the military terminology used by senior officials in the Strategic Affairs Ministry is being used in the fight against civilians abroad who criticize the State of Israel.”

    “Just like it’s difficult for Israel’s to sell the occupation, the regime in South Africa had trouble selling Apartheid, ” he says. “Pretoria launched a secret operation of disinformation and persecution of anti-apartheid activists whose exposure led to the dismissal of the prime minister and the opening of a criminal investigation and civil proceedings In the U.S. We hope that the State of Israel does not exploit secrecy to cross criminal lines.”

    -Ha’aretz, Chaim Levinson & Barak Ravid, ‘Israel Secretly Using U.S. Law Firm to Fight BDS Activists in Europe, North America’ 26 Oct 2017
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.818938

    As usual, Israel prints stories the US won’t.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  429. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    We hope that the State of Israel does not exploit secrecy to cross criminal lines.

    Do you think the Mossad has ever crossed criminal lines, Incy?

    Since no one (except for people in the know) really knows what dastardly deeds the Mossad has carried out, the best one can do is simply speculate. If someone were to ask me which events I thought the Mossad may have had a (major or minor) hand in, here are the top 3 on my list:

    1. 9/11
    2. The 2003 anthrax attacks
    3. The Rafic Hariri assassination

    I’ll leave it to other Unzers to turn this into a top 10 list.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @RobinG
    , @Incitatus
  430. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Beets vs cauliflower.

    More like; poop pudding or s*** sandwich…

    Peace.

  431. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Iran nuclear scientists

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @iffen
  432. iffen says:
    @Talha

    He asked for dastardly deeds.

  433. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    The [Mossad] fake laptops to implicate Iranian nuclear program.

    [See "Manufactured Crisis" by Gareth Porter.]

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @geokat62
  434. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    He asked for dastardly deeds.

  435. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    [See "Manufactured Crisis" by Gareth Porter.]

    And I highly recommend viewing Iran and STUXnet, Iran is HACKED

    My favourite quote comes from an undercover agent who states at 1:36:18:

    I would never compromise ongoing operations in the field, but we should be able to talk about capability. We can talk about our bunker busters, why not our cyber weapons? I mean the secrecy of the operation has been blown.

    Our friends in Israel took a weapon that we jointly developed, in part to keep Israel from doing something crazy and then used it on their own in a way that blew the cover of the operation and could have led to war… and we can’t talk about that?

  436. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    If you enjoyed the Red Ice interview of Prof. Kevin MacDonald, you’re gonna Iove this interview with Swedish journalist, Ingrid Carlqvist. It’s called Scandal in Sweden When Ingrid Questions the Unquestionable

    Here’s the promo for the video:

    Ingrid [Carlqvist] returns to Red Ice to discuss her experience as a journalist telling unpopular truths in Sweden. To begin, she tells us about how she set out to understand why Sweden had become multicultural. Ingrid quickly realized that it is nearly impossible to discuss Jewish influence, as most people – even those critical of Islam – are unwilling to venture into such controversial waters. We then discuss Barbara Spectre, an influential American Jew in Sweden who has called for the end of European civilization through mass immigration from the third world. Later, we discuss Holocaust revisionism, and how Ingrid’s willingness to question – not deny – this historical event has affected her journalism career.

    For those who don’t have the time to watch the full video, I’ve reproduced what I think was the most pertinent exchange of the interview. It occurs at 46:23:

    Henrik Palmgren – … for the sake of really knowing this guilt cloud that’s held over us today, that as soon as we begin to organize as an ethnic group, but have interests… supposedly that always turns into some holocaust, right. So, we have to be able to question this, shouldn’t we?

    Ingrid Carlqvist – Of course, and that’s why I think… I mean many people tell me “why do you want to dig into the holocaust… it is so many years ago… it doesn’t matter today… just leave it alone. If there was something wrong about the story, just leave it alone… it doesn’t matter.” But I think it does matter, because everything we do today, if we, as you said, if we try to organize ourselves. If we say that “I’m Sweden, I’m proud to be a Swede, I love my country, Sweden is the country of the Swedes, and I want us to take our country back.” Then I will always hear, “Oh, so you want another holocaust? Is that what you want? You are a nazi. Everyone who is a patriot, a nationalist, is a nazi. And that leads to one thing: to gas the Jews.”

    So, that’s why I do think it’s important, even if it was so many years ago. It is important, because every time you try to say “I love my country,” then they always come “the holocaust.”

    I was so intrigued by this video that I decided to do a little more digging about the origins of Swedish multiculturalism and came across the following articles:

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/09/23/the-origins-of-swedish-multiculturalism/

    https://redice.tv/news/how-and-why-sweden-became-multicultural

    The second link is a review of a very brief book, How Sweden Became Multicultural: The Hidden Agenda, The Process, The Lobbyists

    The review piqued my curiosity so much that I decided to buy the book. And much to my surprise, it was worth every penny.

    Here are some of the most revealing quotes from the Preface:

    [MORE]

    The purpose of this text is to educate the reader on the key events that caused Sweden to transform into a multicultural society, the people responsible for this development, and their motives. When I am talking about the transformation of Sweden into a multicultural country I am referring to a political decision in 1975, which proclaimed that Sweden was a multicultural country. The stated reasons for allowing large-scale immigration of foreign ethnic groups, and the consequences that followed, are not going to be the focus of this book. However, Sweden self-identifying as a multicultural country was undoubtedly an important factor.

    In some parts of the text I also claim that the implementation of multiculturalism is (and was) contrary to Swedish ethnic interests. As is made clear in this text it was predominantly individuals from certain ethnic minorities who lobbied for Sweden to become multicultural. These individuals had a strong ethnic identity and saw their interests threatened by a culturally homogenous Sweden. The implementation of multiculturalism was thus a way for these ethnic activists to advance their respective groups’ interests, which to some extent occurred at the expense of Swedish ethnic interests…

    Considering how frequently [Multiculturalism] is used to describe modern-day Sweden remarkably few people know how Sweden became multicultural. As recently as the mid-60s the term didn’t even exist, and the implementation of multiculturalism was hardly considered a government priority. In 1975, less than 30 years ago at the time of writing, this radically changed following a resolution in parliament which stated that Sweden was no longer a nation dominated by Swedish culture, but rather a culturally pluralist society where different minority cultures were going to be allowed to thrive.

    This decision was made very quickly. To make a long story short a series of newspaper debates that began in 1964 got the ball rolling. Some debaters demanded that minorities in the country should be allowed to maintain and promote their ethnic identity, while others advocated for minority assimilation. In conjunction with the newspaper debates certain minorities started to increase the pressure on politicians to get their ethnic interests met. The debates also made immigration and minority-related questions political questions, something that was unheard of previously.

    In 1967 the Swedish Trade Union Confederation (LO) sent a bill, which originated in the Social-Democratic Culture Workers Association (KSF), to the government demanding that they change public policy related to immigration and minorities. This in turn led to the 1968 formation of the Immigrant Investigation (IU) that was tasked with investigating the status of minorities who had immigrated to Sweden. It was to a large degree inspired by those who argued for cultural pluralism in the aforementioned newspaper debates. In 1974 IU put forth a proposal based on the slogans “equality, freedom of choice, and co-operation”, which in practice meant that Sweden would pursue diversity instead of cultural homogeneity. This is precisely what happened in 1975 when the parliament unanimously passed proposal 1975: 26 based on IU’s final conclusion.

    To gain a better understanding of the fundamental change Swedish politics and society has undergone we must acquaint ourselves with the newspaper debates that began in 1964. It’s also important that we understand the man who was at the centre of the process that transformed Sweden. His name was David Schwarz*, the father of Swedish multiculturalism.

    * David Schwarz came from a Jewish family and was born in Poland in 1928. During the Second World War he was interned in four different concentration camps: Buchenwald, Nordhausen, Dora, and Bergen-Belsen. Like many other concentration camp interns he suffered from typhus and tuberculosis but Schwarz was luckier than many others and was placed in a sanatorium in Germany and later Italy where he resided until 1950. When the Italian sanatorium closed Schwarz was sent to Sweden where he was treated at various facilities until 1954.

    And here’s an excerpt (from the chapter on Ethnic Dimension) that delves into the origins of multiculturalism in other countries, especially Australia:

    The Jewish commitment to multiculturalism in Sweden is not a unique phenomenon. For example, in a comparative study of multiculturalism in the USA and Germany, Hornung notes that Jews were the leading elements behind the implementation of multiculturalism in both countries and he mentions Horace Kallen and Daniel Cohn-Bendit as the ideological fathers of multiculturalism. Kevin MacDonald has written extensively about the overwhelming and crucial Jewish involvement in the USA’s political transition to multiculturalism.

    In his exhaustive study of how Australia became multicultural in 1978 Lopez identifies Walter Lippmann, leader for the Jewish congregation in Melbourne, as the most influential actor. As early as 1960 Isi Leibler, who for several decades was the leader of Australia’s Jewish congregation and later vice-chairman of the World Jewish Congress, expressed how important it was for Jewish interests that Australia became multicultural in his yearly report to the Jewish congregations board:

    I believe it is essential for Jews to join with other groups in Australia in promoting the philosophy of a pluralistic society which unlike totaIitarianist regimes implies unity in a common end without uniformity in culture, religion, or communal organisation… The Jewish community must be at the forefront and willing to co-operate with elements from left and right who are dedicated to the concept of an open society without which pluralism and a full Jewish life is impossible.

    Leibler is simultaneously a vocal opponent to the implementation of multiculturalism in Israel.

    This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country for the Jews.

    This approach underlines how advocacy in favour of multiculturalism in states where Jews are a minority is motivated by a specific ethnically Jewish interest…

    Furthermore, the first politician who brought up multiculturalism as a political issue in Australia was the Jew Malcolm Fraser during his time as the opposition’s spokesperson on Immigration. It was also Fraser who in 1978, during his time as Australia’s Prime Minister, officially declared that the country was multicultural.

    Who knew?

  437. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Do you think the Mossad has ever crossed criminal lines…”

    Like the CIA, they’d probably say it’s illegal only if you get caught.

    Did Alan Dulles cross the line in ‘53 Iran? ‘54 Guatemala? ‘61 Bay of Pigs? Multiple Castro hit attempts? McCone in the ‘63 Diem murder? Casey in ‘85-87  Iran-Contra? Webster in ‘90-91 Gulf War I? Tenet in ‘03 Iraq? Libya? Syria? Ukraine?

    My belief? Targeted extrajudicial assassination is illegal. Involuntary régime change is illegal. No matter who does it.

    Mossad’s list? ‘97 poison attempt on Khaled Mashal. ‘04 Ahmed Yassin (and 11 others) assassination. Iranian scientists. Mistaken bloke(s) killed in Scandinavia. Probably many others. I’m no expert. Palestinians also routinely cross the line in their assassinations.

    “…the top 3 [suspected Mossad ops] on my list:
    1. 9/11
    2. The 2003 anthrax attacks
    3. The Rafic Hariri assassination”

    9/11: The Mossad likely knew what the CIA, Bush and Cheney knew. Domestic cells, immanent attack, probably DC and/or NY, airplane hijacking (6 Aug ‘01 PDB). Doubt either knew targets, dates or suicide planes (previous hijackings were ransom demands). Don’t believe it was an inside job, demo and the rest. Far exceeds the ability of the Bush administration (Katrina, Iraq ‘03) or Mossad (the Mashal poisoning farce). Once it happened, Israel made the most of it to engineer favorable ‘war on terror’ policy. Bush etc should have been tried for Criminal Negligence.

    ‘03 anthrax: doubt it.

    Hariri: possible.

  438. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    That’s ok, Incy. I’m sure I’ll catch it sooner or later.

    Looks like I may catch my tail, after all, Incy.

    Excerpt from Phil Weiss’ The Russia influence story just crashed into the Israel influence story

    This is how the lobby works: It wants no daylight between the government of Israel and the U.S. government, so it cultivates American power; it doesn’t care in the end who is sitting in the Oval Office, it will work on him. The neocons left the Democratic Party in the ’70s over Israel. For the same reason they abandoned George H.W. Bush in the ’90s and switched to Bill Clinton after Bush took on Israel over the settlements. Bush blamed his loss in part on the Israel lobby. Then they switched to his son George W. Bush in 2000.

    Singer overcame his disgust for Trump and befriended him because of his devotion to Israel. And it’s already paid off for Singer. Trump is decertifying the Iran deal under his influence, and sounding more and more like a hawk.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/10/russia-influence-crashed/

    There’s that “I” word again, influence. So as I’ve previously stated, Incy, no need to have your hands on the wheel of the bus when you’ve mapped out the itinerary before hand and laid out clear instructions to the American driver of the Zionist bus.

    P.S. I must say the two Phils are doing stellar work exposing the machinations of The Lobby. If only we had more Phils in this world!

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Incitatus
  439. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    And in case the reader wasn’t totally clear about the thrust of Phil’s article, here’s a comment made by Annie Robbins:

    we all know why these people (singer/free beacon) spend their money, to influence who is in power for the benefit of israel. the bigger the storm the more we’re supposed to forget the little tails wagging the big dog.

    Seems like I’m not the only one who can see the little tails, Incy.

    Don’t you think it’s time you changed your prescription?

    • Replies: @iffen
  440. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Antisemitism is a serious matter.

    Then why exacerbate it by falsely accusing people or their books of being antisemitic?

    Well, you have just about burned up this little pea-brain.

    It’s “distinguished professor,” “truth-telling scholar” and “courageous, speaking truth to power.” But it seems that this scholar can call an article anti-Semitic, not to mention wrong and offensive and everything is A-okay.

    an anti-Semitic column that accused American Jews of being responsible for most if not all of our country’s recent wars. For the record, I thought the original column she retweeted was both wrong and offensive

    Was courageous? Speaking truth to power? Calling someone else’s work anti-Semitic in order to strengthen his defense of his work as not anti-Semitic? That would not be very courageous.

    But if little iffen-iffen calls something anti-Semitic, it’s all hands on deck, full attack mode, get the SS on the phone.

    What’s could be the difference? Is it okay for some people to label something as anti-Semitic but others are not allowed to do that? Is it a question of motivation? If I have good motives, can I label articles as anti-Semitic like Professor Walt without the HH Hounds coming down on me.

    This little pea-brain sure could use some help from some big butterbean-brains to sort through the questions.

    This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine.
    This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine.
    This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine.
    Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine.

    I won’t let anyone blow it out, I’m gonna let it shine.
    I won’t let anyone blow it out, I’m gonna let it shine.
    I won’t let anyone blow it out, I’m gonna let it shine.
    Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine.

  441. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “This is how the lobby works: It wants no daylight between the government of Israel and the U.S. government, so it cultivates American power; it doesn’t care in the end who is sitting in the Oval Office, it will work on him.”

    That describes any and all lobbies, n’est-ce pas? That’s the nature of influence, the sales campaign. Israel vs US, or Canada and Mexico regarding NAFTA, etc. None dispute Israel has an influential lobby. You insist it has total control. How did the JPCOA get passed?

    Does Israel exert the most influence, the tail that wags the dog?

    Top lobbying sectors [2017]:

    Health: $413,776,411;
    Finance/Insurance/RE: $370,608,822;
    Miscellaneous Business: $353,610,091;
    Communications/Electronics: $297,340,365;
    Energy/Natural Resources:$230.298.293;
    Transportation: $178,157,786;
    Other: $152,663,472;
    Ideology/Single-Issue: $107,161,403;
    Agribusiness: $96,576,869;
    Defense: $93,937,493;
    Construction: $44,615,045;
    Labor: $33,772,171;
    Lawyers & Lobbyists: $14,593,898.

    Ideological/Single Issue lobbying includes Human Rights ($37+ million), Environment ($12+ million), Gun Rights ($7.8+ million), etc. Pro-Israel ranks sixth on the sector-list = $3,536,663.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c&showYear=2017

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?id=Q&year=2017

    Health lobbying ($413,776,411) is 117 times more Pro-Israel ($3,536,663). Health care spending accounts for ±18% of the GDP = $3.2+ trillion. The US has a ridiculously expensive, mediocre health care system. Want to guess who’s driving the bus?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  442. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Does Israel exert the most influence, the tail that wags the dog?

    This is where I struggle with your sincerity, Incy. You prefer to subscribe to the discredited thesis put forward by Noam Chomsky that unqualified support for the Jewish state is

    … not because of the overweening power of the Israel lobby in the US, but because Israel is a strategic and commercial asset which underpins rather than undermines US domination of the Middle East.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/07/noam-chomsky-us-foreign-policy

    No, Incy, truth be told, Chomsky’s thesis has been superseded by that put forth by the two truth-telling professors, Mearsheimer and Walt:

    In a 2003 critique of Israel and the U.S.-Israeli relationship in the New York Review of Books, Judt touched on what Mearsheimer and Walt later laid out as their principal thesis. Judt wrote that Israel continued “to mock its American patron” by building illegal settlements even as the US was pushing the “Roadmap” peace plan calling for a freeze on settlement construction. Israel had reduced the powerful president of the United States, he said, to a “ventriloquist’s dummy, pitifully reciting the Israeli cabinet line.” Its behavior “has been a disaster for American foreign policy.” The United States’ unconditional support for Israel “is the main reason why most of the rest of the world no longer credits our good faith.”

    I think this picture says it all:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Y7rr5IUAAhvX8?format=jpg

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  443. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    Does Israel exert the most influence, the tail that wags the dog?
    “This is where I struggle with your sincerity, Incy. You prefer to subscribe to the discredited thesis put forward by Noam Chomsky that unqualified support for the Jewish state is…”

    Touched you worry about my sincerity. Please quote my agreement with Chomsky, or any support expressed for Israel. Feel free to comb the archive.

    “No, Incy, truth be told, Chomsky’s thesis has been superseded by that put forth by the two truth-telling professors, Mearsheimer and Walt…”

    One trick pony? Can’t explain lobbying expenditures, so you project a position onto me, then wave the M&W banner again. Is that all you’ve got?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  444. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Please quote my agreement with Chomsky, or any support expressed for Israel. Feel free to comb the archive.

    While it’s true you didn’t explicitly state your support for Chomsky, I inferred that based on the following logic:

    There are two schools of thought when it comes to US Foreign Policy in the ME:

    a. The dog wags the tail, whose biggest proponent is Noam Chomsky
    b. The tail wags the dog, whose biggest proponents are the two truth-telling Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt

    (I guess technically there can be a third, a tailless dog. But those breeds are rare, indeed.)

    Since all of your comments have made it abundantly clear you vehemently disagree with my position that the “tail wags the dog,” I simply assumed you must fall by default in the “dog wags the tail” camp. The only other possibility is that you must subscribe to the “tailless dog” thesis, which I do not consider to be a very interesting thesis. But, if that’s the case, I stand corrected.

    One trick pony? Can’t explain lobbying expenditures, so you project a position onto me, then wave the M&W banner again. Is that all you’ve got?

    I thought I already addressed the expenditures argument via this comment:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1914007

    The data I presented showed that half, let me repeat half, of all donations made to the Democratic Party and a quarter made to the Republican Party were made by Jewish donors.

    Can you point to any lobby that comes remotely close to this statistic? Good luck?

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  445. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “While it’s true you didn’t explicitly state your support for Chomsky, I inferred…”
    “Since all of your comments have made it abundantly clear you vehemently disagree with my position that the “tail wags the dog,” I simply assumed…”

    As I said “…you project a position onto me, then wave the M&W banner again.” One trick pony.

    You can polish your tail-dog metaphor all you like. I don’t buy the Manichean either/or gambit. Life’s not black or white. It’s gray. Lobbies operate with varying degrees of effort and success.

    Health Sector Lobbying: $413,776,411 (117 times Pro-Israel).
    Health Sector Spending: $3,200,000,000,000+ (842 times Pro-Israel).

    Pro-Israel Lobbying: $3,536,663;
    Pro-Israel Spending: $3,800,000,000.

    Pro-Israel has good leverage: $1,075 return per dollar. Health Care? $7,734 per dollar.

    “I thought I already addressed the expenditures argument via this comment:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1914007

    “The data I presented…”

    Originated in the Jerusalem Post, a parochial source kind to Likud Israel. You cherry picked even that.

    ”…showed that half, let me repeat half, of all donations made to the Democratic Party and a quarter made to the Republican Party were made by Jewish donors.”

    Remember the “data” you left out?

    “This does not mean to say they [American Jews] are not pro-Israel, but rather that the intensity of commitment to pro-freedom, liberal ideas is more intense than the commitment to Israel…according to polling data, the overwhelming majority of US Jews do not base their vote on Israeli interests.”

    “But American Jews have remained faithful to their liberal ideology, as reflected by the 78% of the Jewish vote garnered by President Barack Obama in the 2008 election when he defeated strongly pro-Israel Sen. John McCain and the 69% support he took in 2012 against former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, despite accusations against Obama regarding his dealings with Israel during his first term.”

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/#comment-1914820

    In other words, most American Jews voted against the “strongly pro-Israel” GOP.

    “Can you point to any lobby that comes remotely close to this statistic?”

    Koch Brothers with $880 million for 2016 vs. $340± million for all Jewish mega-donors combined (refer to my prior response). Health Care, Finance, Insurance, RE, Defense, Agriculture, etc.

    “…[it’s] abundantly clear you vehemently disagree with my position…”

    Do I? I’d like all money out of the system, limited duration elections, no dark money, AIPAC registered as a foreign lobbyist, an end to aid to Israel, an end to the wars, reduced defense spending, and many other reforms. Including Health Care, Finance, Taxes, etc. The arc of government spending is unsustainable, the corruption inexcusable. The Lobby’s important, but a tiny part of the problem.

    You seem eager to compel a very narrow view. All or nothing. White or black. God’s mission. No questions permitted. On to the “million-man march on Washington DC demanding…liberation from Zionist rule.” Utopia awaits! Angels will sing, lions will sit down with lambs.

    Not unlike a physician who eagerly prioritizes psoriasis treatment for a stage three liver cancer patient. If only we can control that inflammation!

  446. geokat62 says:

    You can polish your tail-dog metaphor all you like. I don’t buy the Manichean either/or gambit. Life’s not black or white. It’s gray. Lobbies operate with varying degrees of effort and success.

    The tailless dog it is. While the final sentence of this statement is very true, it unfortunately, is completely irrelevant. What we’re trying to determine here is which of the two countries is dictating policy in that part of the world. In other words is

    1) Israel an asset of the US which is using it to promote US imperialist objectives in the region? DWT; or
    2) The US an asset of The Lobby (which represents Israel) which is using it to promote Israel’s objectives in the region? TWD

    While you can refuse to pick one of these two options, I think the evidence is piling high that TWD is what we’re witnessing.

    I think what clinches the veracity of this reality is what candidate Mitt Romney once said in the 2012 primaries:

    “Before I made a statement of that nature, I’d get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say: ‘Would it help if I say this? What would you like me to do?’ “

    Sensing he may have gone too far pulling the curtain back, one of The Lobby’s key gatekeepers was quick to reassure the American people that their POTUS is truly the one in charge of US Foreign Policy in the region:

    “whether intentional or not, Mr. Romney’s statement implied that he would ‘subcontract Middle East policy to Israel.’ That, of course, would be inappropriate.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/us/politics/mitt-romney-and-benjamin-netanyahu-are-old-friends.html

    Another piece of evidence that proves the TWD hypothesis. Why is it that when domestic pieces of legislation, like health care, come before the congress, the vote is nearly split 50/50 down the middle? Whereas, when foreign policy legislation, like sanctions on Russia, NK, and Iran, are voted on, the vote is almost always nearly unanimous in favour of the resolution?

    Finally, why are terms like ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government), Knesset West, 800 lb gorilla, and 51st state becoming more and more prevalent? I think it’s obvious why?

    Health Sector Lobbying: $413,776,411 (117 times Pro-Israel).
    Health Sector Spending: $3,200,000,000,000+ (842 times Pro-Israel).

    Pro-Israel Lobbying: $3,536,663;
    Pro-Israel Spending: $3,800,000,000.

    I had to do a double take when I saw the figure you used for Pro-Israel Lobbying, $3.5M? You’ve got to be kidding me? I don’t know where you got these numbers from, but Sheldon Adelson alone is known to have contributed $100M to the Trump campaign.

    I think most people would agree, it no longer takes millions to run a successful election campaign… it takes billions.

    According to this WaPo article, the Clinton campaign raised &1.4B while the Trump campaign raised just under $1.0B.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/

    So, if we apply the staggering statistics that half of all contributions to the Democratic Party and one quarter of all contributions to the Republican Party were made by Jewish donors, we end up with $700M and almost $500M, respectively.

    Your rebuttal to these staggering statistics is to mock the source of the information, the Jerusalem Post, that it is “a parochial source kind to Likud Israel.”

    And you claim that I cherry picked the information. Not sure how someone can cherry pick the amount of money contributed to campaigns?

    And what did you base your cherry picking accusation on? Polling data, of course:

    “… according to polling data, the overwhelming majority of US Jews do not base their vote on Israeli interests.”

    Ah, yes. Hasn’t the accuracy of polling data taken a bit of a hit lately? Didn’t polling data suggest that there would be no Brexit or that Donald Trump was a heavy underdog in the previous election? So, what this demonstrates is that people may not be completely truthful when responding to polling questions.

    What do you make of what Brother Nathaneal said to Phil Giraldi, when he urged him not to rewrite his article:

    I grew up in an upper-middle class B’nai B’rith synagogue and believe me, MOST American Jews support the warmongering program of the establishment Jewish Lobbies and think tanks.

    I speak with authority here having grown up INSIDE the Jewish community. Oh, many Jews might say to the goyim, ‘I’m against all this war talk.’ BUT with their fellow Jewish ‘lantsmen’ BEHIND CLOSED DOORS they’re ALL for war against Israel’s perceived enemies.

    Every Sabbath Shacharit (morning) service growing up in the 50′s we sang Hatikvah, the Israeli National Anthem. It was part of our ‘religion’ that what’s bad for Israel is bad for all Jews.

    Today that would include all the nations that oppose and/or countering the Zionist project: Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and now Russia.

    When your buddy Sam Shama was challenged to refute what Brother Nat had said about the singing of the Israeli national anthem at every sabbath service, he blinked.

    Koch Brothers with $880 million for 2016 vs. $340± million for all Jewish mega-donors combined (refer to my prior response).

    Not true. The Kock Brothers were planning to spend $880 million for 2016, but the ended up having a change of heart:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/the_koch_brothers_were_supposed_to_buy_the_2016_election_what_happened.html

    I’d like all money out of the system, limited duration elections, no dark money, AIPAC registered as a foreign lobbyist, an end to aid to Israel, an end to the wars, reduced defense spending, and many other reforms… The Lobby’s important, but a tiny part of the problem.

    I have to say, Incy, you do a splendid job in proposing remedies to whatever ails the US, but by diminishing the role of The Lobby, which is primarily responsible for putting the country in this mess by adding another $6 trillion to the nation’s debt to fight the bogus GWOT, you do a disservice to the American people.

    You seem eager to compel a very narrow view. All or nothing. White or black. God’s mission. No questions permitted. On to the “million-man march on Washington DC demanding…liberation from Zionist rule.” Utopia awaits! Angels will sing, lions will sit down with lambs.

    While I never claimed utopia would soon follow, the defeat of The Lobby would represent the removal of a major impediment that is preventing the American ship from being steered out of the dire straights it has found itself in ever since it launched the bogus GWOT, and returning it to more calm waters.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Incitatus
  447. @geokat62

    I’ve been eavesdropping just a little on your conversation w/ Incitatus, Geokat62; mind if I jump in?

    Incitatus appears to think s/he has a slam dunk argument based on sums expended by I lobby vs larger sums paid by other lobbies.

    That’s an interesting piece of the argument pie, but it lacks a crust:

    How many major US government institutions — funded by US taxpayers — are under control of persons loyal to Israeli interests or that are coerced to disseminate Israel-centric or Jewish-centric doctrine?

    A partial list would include:

    Wilson Center
    National Constitution Center
    U S Holocaust Memorial Museum

    US public (and many private) elementary and secondary schools are required to incorporate into their curriculum doctrine developed by Jewish groups that tell an exclusively Jewish-centric version of certain events. Critical analysis of that doctrine is vigorously opposed and suppressed.

    How many hundreds of thousands of people, especially young, impressionable persons — are influenced — lobbied — through those institutions that US taxpayers support, but that are run by and for Jewish interests. That’s a far more significant metric than Incitatus’s list of $ spent.

    As has been mentioned on UF, Israelis hate to be freiers — suckers; spending your own money is the equivalent of being a sucker, better to spend Uncle Sam’s money, which is US taxpayer money, to get US Congress to do the bidding of Israel firsters.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Incitatus
  448. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Incitatus appears to think s/he has a slam dunk argument based on sums expended by I lobby vs larger sums paid by other lobbies.

    Just as slam dunk as George Tenet’s argument that Saddam possessed WMD?

    How can you have a rational argument with someone who claims pro-Israel funding is a whopping $3.5M?

    Am I misintinterpreting the data, or do you read it the same way:

    Health Sector Lobbying: $413,776,411 (117 times Pro-Israel).
    Health Sector Spending: $3,200,000,000,000+ (842 times Pro-Israel).

    Pro-Israel Lobbying: $3,536,663;
    Pro-Israel Spending: $3,800,000,000.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  449. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “What we’re trying to determine here is which of the two countries is dictating policy in that part of the world. In other words is
    1) Israel an asset of the US which is using it to promote US imperialist objectives in the region? DWT; or
    2) The US an asset of The Lobby (which represents Israel) which is using it to promote Israel’s objectives in the region? TWD”

    Or:
    3. US considers securing regional energy sources essential to remaining ‘sole-superpower’. Maintaining global trade (cheap labor venues, duty-free imports into US), patent protection, intellectual property rights, USD currency basis, extending finance, insurance, etc. Israel’s along for the ride. Sometimes proxy, sometime inconvenient. The US uses local hostility for Israel in a good-cop, bad-cop mime for Arab submission.

    “I think what clinches the veracity of this reality [TWD] is what candidate Mitt Romney once said in the 2012 primaries…”

    Is that why Mitt was elected?

    “Another piece of evidence that proves the TWD hypothesis…[support for] domestic pieces of legislation [is]…split 50/50 down the middle…foreign policy legislation…is almost always nearly unanimous in favour of the resolution?”

    It proves Americans don’t really care about foreign affairs. Partisan domestic issues (health care, tax reform, abortion, etc.) usually attract the biggest donations. The more hotly contested, the better. It’s like shaking a money tree for both parties.

    “Finally, why are terms like ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government), Knesset West, 800 lb gorilla, and 51st state becoming more and more prevalent? I think it’s obvious why?”

    Why indeed? Where? Internet blogs? Same places featuring the ever-popular grassy knoll and 9/11 inside job? Fringe opinion proves fact? Now you’re really stretching.

    Health Sector Lobbying: $413,776,411 (117 times Pro-Israel).
    Health Sector Spending: $3,200,000,000,000+ (842 times Pro-Israel).
    Pro-Israel Lobbying: $3,536,663;
    Pro-Israel Spending: $3,800,000,000.
    “I had to do a double take when I saw the figure you used for Pro-Israel Lobbying, $3.5M? You’ve got to be kidding me? I don’t know where you got these numbers from…”

    Figures are for 2017. Center for Responsive Politics at OpenSecrets.org. See Ranked Lobbying Sectors:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?showYear=2017&indexType=c

    and Ideological/Single-Issue breakdown:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?id=Q&year=2017

    Elections and ongoing lobbying cost billions. Party Money, Dark Money, Soft Money, Independent Spending, Lobbying, PACs, Super PACs, Leadership PACs, Foreign-connected PACs, etc. See my response #254 on the MAD thread.

    “Sheldon Adelson alone is known to have contributed $100M to the Trump campaign.”

    Adelson is a disclosed donor in Outside Spending. In 2016 Thomas Steyer (hedge fund manager, Farallon Capital) was #1, giving $89.8 million to liberals. Adelson was #2 at $77.9 million to conservatives. If memory serves, Adelson spread his money to several candidates in the contentious primary process, not just Trump.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/summ.php?cycle=2016&disp=D&type=V&superonly=N

    The disease is narrow special interest control of the country. Parties, primaries, media, advertising, funding, spending, elections, etc. GOP efforts on Health Insurance and Tax reform prove it. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX), Ways and Means chair, is an example. He’s doing very well in the money department:

    1. Finance/Insurance/Real Estate: $1,003,350
    2. Health: $957,451
    3. Energy/Nat Resource: $545,700
    4. Misc Business: $533,191
    5. Lawyers & Lobbyists: $364,229
    6. Agribusiness: $217,904
    7. Communications/Electronics: $212,184
    8. Ideology/Single-Issue: $191,397
    9. Construction: $190,850
    10. Transportation: $183,090
    11. Other: $67,290
    12. Defense: $51,000
    13. Labor: $15,000

    https://www.opensecrets.org/cong-cmtes/profiles?cmte=HWAY&cmtename=Ways+and+Means&cong=115&cycle=2016

    An average self-employed family of four will pay $3,100/month = $37,200/year in health insurance premiums. Up 50% (Hartford Courant: http://www.courant.com/business/hc-biz-health-care-open-enrollment-20171101-story.html). Deductibles $8,000-13,000. Median household income? $59,039/yr. QED 63% of income devoured by premiums. Deductibles – if used – add another 13.5% minimum. Total? 77% of gross median income for Health Care.

    Kevin’s priority in the first Health reform mark-up session? Ending subsidies (23 million lose coverage) and unlimited tax deductibility of Insurance CEO salaries (they already get a break on stock options, the bulk of compensation).

    The GOP Tax proposal eliminates medical expense deductibility. End of life expense (nursing home room and board, double occupancy) costs $425 to $625 per day = $155,125 to $228,125 per year. NIC medical procedures or drug expense. Two thirds in nursing homes are paupers on Medicaid, which is rapidly running out of funds. $700+ billion Defense budget? No problem!

    Meanwhile Aetna, prohibited from merging with Humana last year due to anti-trust concerns, is about to marry CVS for $66,000,000,000. Millions for Aetna’s CEO in inflated stock price? Cigna’s CEO made $49 million in a proposed Anthem merger three years ago. Think the US over-medicated and over-charged now? Just wait!

    Americans should march to protest ‘the Lobby’? Can they afford bus fare to DC?

    “you do a splendid job in proposing remedies to whatever ails the US…”

    Isn’t that the important thing? Curing what ails the US?

    “…but by diminishing the role of The Lobby, which is primarily responsible for putting the country in this mess by adding another $6 trillion to the nation’s debt to fight the bogus GWOT, you do a disservice to the American people.”

    Spoken like a true Greco-Canadian with health care. Proving ‘the Lobby’ solely responsible for all evil seems your only interest. A religion. Never mind facts and figures. Never mind proving it. Episodic text proves your creed, even when it doesn’t. Anything to sustain desperate faith.

    I’d follow recent developments in KSA very closely. Yemeni missile(s) aimed at Riyadh airport intercepted by anti-missile systems? Purge of corrupt royals? Steps towards war with Iran? For Israel or KSA? Does ‘the Lobby’ control the Saud family?

    • Replies: @AnOn
  450. AnOn • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Does ‘the Lobby’ control the Saud family?

    2017
    The Saudi-Israeli Alliance
    Posted on August 19, 2017 by Eric Zuesse.
    Eric Zuesse, originally posted at strategic-culture.org

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/08/saudi-israeli-alliance.html

    “Two of the U.S. government’s supposed allies are supposedly not allies of each other but enemies of each other, but, away from the glare of the ‘news’media, they actually work together with each other to control, by means of their secret actual alliance with one-another, a substantial, if not the major, part of U.S. foreign policies — especially regarding Iran, Russia, Syria, Israel, Palestinians, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, and Turkey, but much else besides. These two secret allies of each other, who largely determine U.S. foreign policies, are the Saud family, and the government of Israel.”

    2017
    There’s an alliance growing between Saudi Arabia and Israel — and Iran should be worried
    Reuters
    John Irish and Andrea Shalal, Reuters
    Feb. 19, 2017

    http://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-and-israel-anti-iran-alliance-2017-2

    “Saudi Arabia and Israel both called on Sunday for a new push against Iran, signaling a growing alignment in their interests, while U.S. lawmakers promised to seek new sanctions on the Shi’ite Muslim power.”

    2016
    Jerusalem Post
    IRAN WAS THE ALLY ISRAEL WANTED. IT GOT SAUDI ARABIA
    BY SETH J. FRANTZMAN JANUARY 24, 2016

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Iran-was-the-ally-Israel-wanted-It-got-Saudi-Arabia-442626

    “The courting of Israel comes against the backdrop of the rise and fall of IS in the region and the frustration of Sunni regimes with their inability to topple Bashar Assad in Syria.”

    2015
    Did Money Seal Israeli-Saudi Alliance?

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/15/did-money-seal-israeli-saudi-alliance/

    “The odd-couple relationship between Saudi Arabia and Israel may have been sealed with more than a mutual desire to kiss-off Iran. According to an intelligence source, there was a dowry involved, too, with the Saudis reportedly giving Israel some $16 billion, “

    2014
    UNDERSTANDING THE ISRAELI-EGYPTIAN-SAUDI ALLIANCE

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/COLUMN-ONE-Understanding-the-Israeli-Egyptian-Saudi-alliance-371891

    BY CAROLINE B. GLICK AUGUST 21, 2014
    “The partnership that has emerged . . . between Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia is a direct consequence of Obama’s abandonment of the US’s traditional allies.”

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  451. Incitatus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    S2C!

    “Incitatus appears to think s/he has a slam dunk argument based on sums expended by I lobby vs larger sums paid by other lobbies.”

    Putting words in my mouth? That desperate? Or just bored with the same old echo-chamber regulars?

    “How many major US government institutions — funded by US taxpayers — are under control of persons loyal to Israeli interests or that are coerced to disseminate Israel-centric or Jewish-centric doctrine?”

    Interesting question. Look forward to tangible comparative analysis. USD contributions to the political process, media, etc. Loyalty percentage may be hard to enumerate. Maybe you can come up with a HebrewMeter scoring system in the best tradition of Senator McCarthy, Roy Cohn, and “I have here a [unshown] list…” Art can help with frequency of ‘Jew’ in texts. And why not measure library shelf space while you’re at it? X feet of Shoah divided by Y feet of Italian orphans?

    “How many hundreds of thousands of people, especially young, impressionable persons — are influenced — lobbied — through those institutions that US taxpayers support, but that are run by and for Jewish interests.”

    Indeed. Why not quantify through universal metrics? Don’t be shy. The young bit is easy (hint: age ranges). How about an ‘impresionable’ scale? Comatose-asleep-slumbering-naïve-ambivalent-impressionable-gullible-pushover-parrot? Good start so far? A percent Jewish control metric? This may be more difficult, but you’ll find a way. You could even include Jewish sounding names and hearsay for partial credit.

    Look forward to your results S2C. You’re absolutely right to disbelieve political money significant. Kind of puts you out of business, after all.

    Hate to ask how you’re doing on these long-standing questions:

    • When starting WW1 shouldn’t Austrian and German leaders have planned against blockades and famine?
    • Why, in principle, is the WW1 Allied naval blockade worse than German blockade?
    • Why is the WW1 German loss of 800,000 (1.18%) worse than 800,000 Serbs (17.8%)?
    • Why is Versailles 1919 condemnable, when the harsher Brest-Litovsk 1917 is not?
    • Why is Wise at fault for a Jewish boycott in 1933, when Hitler declared “we must necessarily…be anti-Semites…” in 1920?
    • If Hitler defended Christian Europe against Bolshevism, why did he sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in ’39?
    • Does ’23 Putsch-mate and early Nazi Ludendorff bear any blame for Bolshevism after giving Lenin 40 million gold marks ($100 million) and transporting him to Russia in 1917?
    • Why did Italy and Germany invade Greece in WW2? Why did Italy invade France for sloppy seconds?
    • Why do few (if any) books in US libraries record the fate of Italy’s WW2 victims? Orphans?
    • Why are Mendelsohn’s 1943 unpeopled bomb tests worse than Nazi bombing of peopled Guernica ‘37, Warsaw ‘39, Rotterdam ’40? The German airship bombing campaign 1915-18?
    • If the French owe Nazis for protecting them from WW2 Allied bombing, why aren’t there French monuments saying same?
    • Why did Hitler pass a death sentence on Germany exceeding Morgenthau’s fondest wish in late 1944?
    • Why did Hitler, paragon of honor and bravery, poison his new Frau and blow his brains out in ’45?
    • Three independent, scholarly published sources for torture used at Nüremberg?
    • Hitler believed strength confers legitimacy. By his reasoning, isn’t Nazi Germany’s fate unworthy of sympathy?
    • How does one honor a WW2 Vet father by championing those he fought?
    • How does one worship fascists when they dispossessed his Italian mother?

    You’ve been stricken with acute commentus-interruptus when thus questioned in past. You’re still grinding away on evil Rabbi Wise. Any progress on answers? No? Didn’t think so.

    Inclined to agree with Kilner, since there seem at least three S2C writing styles. Or maybe you’re in agriculture? Cultivating a nut farm with loads of manure?

  452. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “How can you have a rational argument with someone who claims pro-Israel funding is a whopping $3.5M?”

    OpenSecrets links for the figures, and the year significant [2017] were provided in #452 this thread:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-lobby-british-style/#comment-2059158

    Again, reading comprehension not your strong point? Suffer from ostrich buried-head disorder, otherwise known as ignore-disagreeable-fact syndrome?

    “How can you have a rational argument…”

    Indeed. Is lynching ‘rational’?

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  453. Incitatus says:
    @AnOn

    Does ‘the Lobby’ control the Saud family?

    My guess is Israel thinks it controls KSA, and KSA thinks it’s bought Israel. When two scorpions are left in the bottle we’ll see how friendly they are.

    As to who really manages the love fest, my money’s on USA.

    Yemeni missiles, Saudi purges, and the recent $15 billion THAAD sale to KSA are very worrisome developments. Especially with President Bone-Spur and the generals at the helm.

  454. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Again, reading comprehension not your strong point? Suffer from ostrich buried-head disorder, otherwise known as ignore-disagreeable-fact syndrome?

    I thought I already admitted I’m just a dumb goy. Perhaps you could help a dumb goy out and explain how OpenSecrets arrives at a figure of $3.5 M(or $4.5M for 2016) for pro-Israel funding when Sheldon Adelson (a one issue guy whose issue is Israel) alone donated $100M to the Donald Trump campaign, not to mention the other one issue people on this top 10 list of wealthy donors?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/superpac-donors-2016/

    My sense is your source “OpenSecrets” has a bit of an issue with compiling accurate data regarding this information – i.e., you need to find a more reliable source, as OpenSecrets is more like OpenGarbage.

    Again, just a dumb goy’s two cents.

    P.S. Since you struggle to see 800 lb gorillas, perhaps you’ll have more luck spotting pink elephants in the room?

    Excerpt from ‘NYT’ discovers elephant in living room: ‘Pro-Israel billionaires’

    The piece by Alexander Burns says that embattled NJ Senator Robert Menendez is getting support from Republican Sheldon Adelson, who wants to nuke Iran, and Democrat Haim Saban, who wants to bomb the living daylights out of Iran, along with assorted other billionaires. (What do you think Menendez’s position is on Iran?).

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/discovers-elephant-billionaires/

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  455. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “…explain how OpenSecrets arrives at a figure of $3.5 M (or $4.5M for 2016) for pro-Israel funding when Sheldon Adelson (a one issue guy whose issue is Israel) alone donated $100M to the Donald Trump campaign…”

    One figure is for Lobbying, the other for Outside Spending. The former attracts targeted issue spending by industries and special interests year round. The latter is oligarchs’ deafening ‘free speech’ in major election years.

    Both are problematic, as are other vehicles (some opaque) of buying influence. Complexity and unrestrained ‘uncoordinated’ spending (thanks SCOTUS) produce a system more like an auction. Quicksand for genuine representative politics.

    From your WP link:

    “Wealthy donors are giving record sums this cycle to super PACs, which can accept unlimited contributions from individuals and corporations…”
    1. Steyer: $66.3 million
    2. Adelson: $52.7 million”

    The WP article was published 2 Nov 2016 – prior to final quarter reports. OS lists 2016 final numbers [Top Donors to Outside Spending Groups]. Steyer $89.7 million, Adelson $77.9 million. WP’s source: Federal Election Commission. OS is more comprehensive:
    “Campaign finance data comes from the Federal Election Commission. Information on 527 committees comes from the Internal Revenue Service. Lobbying data comes from the Senate Office of Public Records. Travel and personal financial disclosures come from various information-collectors in Congress. The Revolving Door database is, at this point, largely updated using press reports and official announcements about individuals’ movements in and out of the public and private sectors.”

    “…Adelson…alone donated $100M to the Donald Trump…”

    Source please. WP says $52.7 million; OS $77.9 million to (all) conservatives.

    “…your source “OpenSecrets” has a bit of an issue with compiling accurate data regarding this information – i.e., you need to find a more reliable source, as OpenSecrets is more like OpenGarbage…”

    Data doesn’t fully support your faith? Feel free to name a better source.

    “Since you struggle to see 800 lb gorillas…”

    Geo, I agree ‘the Lobby’ is a problem. One of many, all dwarfed by a corrupt system. That’s the elephant, gorilla, or whatever. Numbers prove it. Time for a vision check?

    Menendez is part of the disease. $8.9 million from Medicare in exchange for free private jet flights and gifts? No surprise Adelson sees him as an easy mark, someone whose vote might be available. Unlike more sophisticated donors, Shelly openly buys influence. He cares more about being a kingmaker than his ‘causes’.

    I’m for taking all the money out of the system. Shelly, Tom, and other oligarchs. Conservatives, liberals. Banks, insurance, RE, etc.

    “…I already admitted I’m just a dumb goy… just a dumb goy’s two cents…”

    I don’t have a dog in the Jew-Goy fight. Whad’ya want me to say?

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  456. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    One figure is for Lobbying, the other for Outside Spending.

    Thanks for the distinction. I wasn’t aware of it. btw, do you have a direct link that shows the Pro-Israel Outside Spending of $3,800,000,000, as I couldn’t find it?

    Source please. WP says $52.7 million; OS $77.9 million to (all) conservatives.

    It was published in the Times of Israel:

    American Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson is reportedly set to give presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump a campaign donation that could exceed $100 million, making it the largest contribution the casino magnate would have given to a GOP candidate.

    According to two Republicans with direct knowledge of the commitment to Trump who spoke to the New York Times, Adelson has told Trump “that he was willing to contribute more to help elect him than he has to any previous campaign, a sum that could exceed $100 million.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/adelson-set-to-give-over-100-million-to-israel-supporting-trump/

    That said, after digging into this a little more, it appears Adelson pulled a Koch Bros move and reduced his contribution to Trump.

    Geo, I agree ‘the Lobby’ is a problem.

    So, I guess it comes down to ranking. You put it near the bottom of your list and I put it on the very top of mine. I think this must reflect how differently we prioritize things (for another comment)?

    I don’t have a dog in the Jew-Goy fight. Whad’ya want me to say?

    That’s what confuses me, Incy. The only way one cannot have a dog in this fight is if they are neither Jew nor Goy… another example of the tailless dog, I guess?

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  457. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “…a direct link that shows the Pro-Israel Outside Spending of $3,800,000,000…”

    Lobbying-Ranked Sectors [2017] is:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?showYear=2017&indexType=c

    Pro-Israel is listed under Ideology/Single-Issue [double-click]:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?id=Q&year=2017

    Double-click Pro-Israel and you get totals for lobbying organizations [2017]: AIPAC $2.56 million, IAC $390k, J Street $200k etc. You can search totals for any years.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=Q05&year=2017

    “…Adelson pulled a Koch Bros move and reduced his contribution to Trump…”

    Mega donors seem prone to ‘exaggeration’. There’s probably an appropriate medical term for acutely inflated self-importance.

    “…it comes down to ranking.”

    The moneyed system allows special interests (including Pro-Israel) disproportional influence. Sclerosis preventing rational discourse. Shut it down and we might have a chance of recovery. From ‘the Lobby’ and every other shill.

    According to Steven Brill, the US spent $280 billion for drugs in 2012. If we paid what Big Pharma charges other nations, it’d total $94 billion. One third! Why the ridiculously inflated bill? Congress. The moneyed system.

    Want to see sausage made? C-Span’s broadcasting the Ways and Means Tax Reform Bill Markup. Special interests at work. The more complexity, the more corruption. An infinite variety of ways to buy influence and evade comprehensive reporting requirements.

    A favorite is the Leadership PAC. Slush funds for politicians. Donors contribute money to an elected official’s PAC, he/she buys peer votes on specific legislation donors favor. Once a novelty, now most senators and representatives have them. Some have several. OpenSecrets lists them, with donors and recipients. Blatant corruption.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industry.php?txt=Q03&cycle=2018

    “The only way one cannot have a dog in this fight is if they are neither Jew nor Goy… another example of the tailless dog, I guess?”

    What can I say? Equines eschew categories.

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  458. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey, Incy. I followed all of your links but I still could not find anything remotely close to $3.8B you quoted for Pro-Israel Outside Spending.

    Are you sure this number is legit?

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  459. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    Geo,

    The $3.8 billion is US annual aid to Israel, required to be spent on US weapons.

    You might be interested in Ha’aretz’s 7 Nov take on Adelson’s IAC, which he hopes will supplant AIPAC: ‘Adelson Has Hijacked the Israeli-American Community for His Hard-right Agenda’

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.821317

    Listened to C-Span hearings this am on moving the US embassy to Jerusalem – John Bolten is all for it!

  460. geokat62 says:

    The $3.8 billion is US annual aid to Israel, required to be spent on US weapons.

    I thought so. So, now that this has finally been clarified, how do you reconcile the $3.5M figure for pro-Israel funding and the $77.9M Sheldon Adelson has contributed? Why isn’t Adelson’s contribution included as part of the pro-Israel funding?

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    , @Incitatus
  461. @geokat62

    Only part of the $3.8 billion must be spent on US weapons and the Israelis have set up subsidiaries based in the US which permit them to function as US companies and, in effect, sell to themselves using the military assistance money.

  462. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “…how do you reconcile the $3.5M figure for pro-Israel funding and the $77.9M Sheldon Adelson has contributed?”

    Far be it from me to reconcile anything without an OpenSecrets paycheck.

    The original comparison was lobbying leverage over sector spending. $414 million lobbying yields $3.2 trillion Health spending. Without mega donor contributions. $3.5 million lobbying yields $3.8 billion aid to Israel. Without mega donor contributions. The point, if you recall, was to illustrate special interest distortion larger than just ‘the Lobby’. Distortion that inflates drug prices 300% for Americans (up 8.5% in 2015 to $310 billion).

    “Why isn’t Adelson’s contribution included as part of the pro-Israel funding?”

    Good question – why not ask them? Another is how OS defines ‘Pro-Israel’ when listing organizations with diametrically opposed agendas. Would J Street or AIPAC regard each-other as ‘pro-Israel’? Who’s view of Israel?

    Adelson’s contribution is ‘pro-Israel’, but who’s view of Israel? His own? Isn’t his donation more ‘pro-Adelson’? To enhance his ego, his stature as kingmaker?

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  463. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Good question – why not ask them?

    Cuz I got a feeling someone might be cooking the books… and you probably know who I suspect is doing the cooking. That’s why I prefer the top down numbers of 50% and 25% for Jewish donations. My sense is these numbers might more accurately reflect tye actual dollar amounts of pro-Israel funding.

    Adelson’s contribution is ‘pro-Israel’, but who’s view of Israel? His own? Isn’t his donation more ‘pro-Adelson’? To enhance his ego, his stature as kingmaker?

    No need to distinguish. Same argument can be made for mega-donors of other lobbies.

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