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Award winning journalist James Risen has recently described in some detail his sometimes painful relationship with The New York Times. His lengthy account is well worth reading as it demonstrates how successive editors of the paper frequently cooperated with the government to suppress stories on torture and illegal activity while also self-censoring to make sure that nothing outside the framework provided by the “war on terror” should be seriously discussed. It became a faithful lap dog for an American role as global hegemon, promoting government half-truths and suppressing information that it knew to be true but which would embarrass the administration in power, be they Democrats or Republicans.

If one were to obtain a similar insider account of goings-on at the other national “newspaper of record” The Washington Post it is quite likely that comparable trimming of the narrative also took place. To be sure, the Post is worse than the Times, characterized by heavily editorializing in its news coverage without necessarily tipping off the reader when “facts” end and speculation begins. In both publications, stories about Iran or Russia routinely begin with an assertion that Moscow interfered in the 2016 U.S. election and that Iran is the aggressor in the Middle East, contentions that have not been demonstrated and can easily be challenged. Both publications also have endorsed every American war since 2001, including Iraq, Libya and the current mess in Syria, one indication of the quality of their reporting and analysis.

A recent op-ed in the Times by Bret Stephens is a perfect example of warmongering mischief wrapped in faux expert testimony to make it palatable. Stephens is the resident neocon at the Times. He was brought over from the Wall Street Journal when it was determined that his neocon colleague David Brooks had become overly squishy, while the resident “conservative” Russ Douthat had proven to be a bit too cautious and even rational to please the increasingly hawkish senior editors.

Stephens’ article, entitled Finding the Way Forward on Iran sparkles with throwaway gems like “Tehran’s hyperaggressive foreign policy in the wake of the 2015 nuclear deal” and “Real democracies don’t live in fear of their own people” and even “it’s not too soon to start rethinking the way we think about Iran.” Or try “A better way of describing Iran’s dictatorship is as a kleptotheocracy, driven by impulses that are by turns doctrinal and venal.”

Bret has been a hardliner on Iran for years. Early on in this op-ed he makes very clear that he wants it to be dealt with forcibly because it has “centrifuges, ballistic missiles, enriched uranium [and] fund[s] Hezbollah, assist Bashar al-Assad, arm[s] the Houthis, [and] imprison[s] the occasional British or American citizen.” He describes how Iran is a very corrupt place run by religious leaders and Revolutionary Guards and proposes that their corruption be exposed so that the Iranian people can take note and rise up in anger. And if exposure doesn’t work, they should be hammered with sanctions. He does not explain why sanctions, which disproportionately hurt the people he expects to rise up, will bring about any real change.

Stephens cites two of his buddies Ken Weinstein of the Hudson Institute and Mark Dubowitz of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), who are apparently experts on how to squeeze Iran. Weinstein prefers exposing the misdeeds of the Mullahs to anger the Iranian people while Dubowitz prefers punitive sanctions “for corruption.”

The article does not reveal that Weinstein and Dubowitz are long time critics of Iran, are part of the Israel Lobby and just happen to be Jewish, as is Stephens. The Hudson Institute and the FDD are leading neocon and pro-Israel fronts. So my question becomes, “Why Iran?” The often-heard Israeli complaint about its being unfairly picked on could reasonably be turned on its head in asking the same about Iran. In fact, Iran compares favorably with Israel. It has no nuclear weapons, it does not support any of the Sunni terrorist groups that are chopping heads, and it has not disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of people that it rules over. The fact is that Iran is being targeted because Israel sees it as its prime enemy in the region and has corrupted many “opinion makers” in the U.S., to include Stephens, to hammer home that point. To be sure, Iran is a very corrupt place run by people who should not be running a hot dog stand, but the same applies to the United States and Israel. And there are lots of places that are not being targeted like Iran that are far worse, including good friend and ally of both Jerusalem and Washington, Saudi Arabia.

Oddly enough Stephens, Weinstein and Dubowitz do not get into any of that back story, presumably because it would be unseemly. And, of course and unfortunately, the New York Times opinion page is not unique. An interesting recent podcast interview by Politico‘s Chief International Affairs correspondent Susan Glasser with leading neoconservatives Eliot Cohen and Max Boot, is typical of how the media selectively shapes a narrative to suit its own biases. Glasser, Cohen and Boot are all part of the establishment foreign policy consensus in the U.S. and therefore both hate and fail to understand the Trump phenomenon. Both Cohen and Booth were vociferous founding members of the #NeverTrump foreign policy resistance movement.

Boot describes the new regime’s foreign policy as “kowtow[ing] to dictators and undermin[ing] American support for freedom and democracy around the world,” typical neocon leitmotifs. Glasser appears to be in love with her interviewees and hurls softball after softball. She describes Boot as “fantastic” and Cohen receives the epithet “The Great.” The interview itself is remarkably devoid of any serious discussion of foreign policy and is essentially a sustained assault on Trump while also implicitly supporting hardline national security positions. Cohen fulminates about “a very serious Russian attack on the core of our political system. I mean, I don’t know how you get more reckless and dangerous than that,” while Boot asks what “has to be done” about Iran.

Pompous ass Cohen, who interjected in the interview that “and you know, Max and I are both intellectuals,” notably very publicly refused to have any part in a Trump foreign policy team during the campaign but later when The Donald was actually elected suggested that the new regime might approach him with humility to offer a senior position and he just might condescend to join them. They did not do so, and he wrote an angry commentary on their refusal.

Hating Trump is one thing, but I would bet that if the question of a hardline policy vis-à-vis Russia or the Jerusalem Embassy move had come up Cohen and Boot would have expressed delight. The irony is that Trump is in fact pursuing a basically neocon foreign policy which the two men would normally support, but they appear to be making room for Trump haters in the policy formulation process to push the national security consensus even farther to the right. Indeed, in another article by Boot at Foreign Policy he writes “I applaud Trump’s decisions to provide Ukraine with arms to defend itself from Russian aggression, to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, to send additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan, and to accelerate former President Barack Obama’s strategy for fighting the Islamic State.” Cohen meanwhile applauds the embassy move, though he warns that Trump’s success in so doing might embolden him to do something reckless over North Korea.

Perhaps one should not be astonished that leading neocons appearing in the mainstream media will continue to have their eyes on the ball and seek for more aggressive engagement in places like Iran and Russia. The media should be faulted because it rarely publishes any contrary viewpoint and it also consistently fails to give any space to the considerable downside to the agitprop. It must be reassuring for many Americans to know that the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is preparing itself to deal with the aftermath of a nuclear attack on the United States and it will be sharing information on the appropriate preparations with the American people. There will be a public session on how to prepare for a nuclear explosion on January 16th.

CDC experts will consider “planning and preparation efforts” for such a strike. “While a nuclear detonation is unlikely, it would have devastating results and there would be limited time to take critical protection steps,” the Center elaborated in its press release on the event.

That the United States should be preparing for a possible nuclear future can in part be attributed to recent commentary by the “like, really smart” and “very stable genius” who is the nation’s chief executive, but the fuel being poured on the fire for war is the very same neocons who are featured in the mainstream media as all-purpose experts and have succeeded in selling the snake oil about America’s proper role as aggressor-in-chief for the entire world. It would be an unparalleled delight to be able to open a newspaper and not see Bret Stephens, Eliot Cohen, Max Boot or even the redoubtable Bill Kristol grinning back from the editorial page, but I suppose I am only dreaming.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. My dream also involves those mentioned in the article along with a roll of sturdy rope cut into sections and several large trees along the Beltway.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig, L.K, Z-man, Alden, FB
    • Disagree: Yan Shen
  2. Picture thorough analysis.
    Without prejudice’

    First row Jew Jew Jew Jew
    Second row Goyim Goyim Goyim

    Four to three. Not bad.

  3. Tammy says:

    Trump is no fool. He beat well established politicians on both sides, first the Republicans and then the Democratic Chicago Girl (Barry Goldwater) without any political experience to become POTUS. With heavy Electoral College odds against without any political machinery.

    Anyone who thinks Trump is a fool is an imbecile himself/herself.

  4. Received wisdom all too often seems to be advocacy of war crimes as a policy. If this advice is followed we are done for. The rogues gallery of the usual suspects and their acts is thoroughly documented in this piece. I am against the death penalty except if it is applied to major war criminals. Their threat to our survival is serious enough that it overrides my normal view that the death penalty is too great a power to give to a legal system which has proven itself to be profoundly corrupt.

  5. Mr. Anon says:

    John Bolton, who rather looks like an evil Captain Kangaroo, can be seen on FOX News almost as often as William Devane. The difference is that Devane is selling something with some value (gold), whereas Bolton is pitching the same stale neocon line that has consistently proven disastrous.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    , @Z-man
  6. Chuck Todd at MSNBC is making the 5PM hour a place for Neocons to thrive. I’m assuming some of these new faces are flipping from FOX (which I don’t watch). Matthew Continetti (William Kristol son-in-law) seemed to come from nowhere into the rotation. But I’m not surprised. They recently have been well represented (AEI’s Danielle Pletka and Eliana Johnson) among others in 2017-18 on Meet the Press plainly setting the tone on that program.

    Now that Charlie Rose/PBS is off the air –as well as Mark Halperin– there was a potentially significant reduction in Neocon airtime (alas Dan Senor). But Brett Stephens and Bari Weiss will — no question–bolster the pro-Israel stance of the NY Times ownership which one would hope, would have learned –something– from the last sixteen years of war. Taking these two from the WSJ nutcake editorial page, are hires that should have been avoided.

    Whether print, air, or both the Neocons want to be players. They have the friends in high –media– places to do it.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Z-man
  7. @NoseytheDuke

    Yes.
    I like the idea of Marcus Crassus & his decoration of the Appian Way after the Spartacus rebellion

  8. The NeoCons are Trotsyite entryists. In the Soviet Union they were Communists, in the USA “Conservatives” (yeah, right).
    No matter. They worked out a way to take over this (gentile) government and rape the country for their own benefit.
    It is hard to see an ultimate objective of these people other than the destruction of gentile societies (as Deuteronomy, for instance, and The Talmud demand).

    The Russians appear to understand what has happened to them and are trying to respond appropriately. Let us hope they succeed. For increasing numbers in the west Russia might be defined (by the NeoCons) as “the enemy of America” but it is not, in our eyes, the enemy of the American people. It is an older and wiser sibling who, hopefully, will demonstrate how to deal with these fiends.

  9. Neocon power in Big Government is directly connected to neocon media access and neocon media visibility. This is why ‘experts’ such as Boot, Kristol, Weinstein, Cohen, Stephens, Glasser, Podhoretz, Dubowitz, etc., are not only never stepping down from their appointed roles as high media priests–they’re actually failing their way into positions of tenure and (undue) respectability.

    Under any other circumstance, their bulletproof status would defy logic. But because of Israel’s unique place in American life, this makes perfect–though astonishing–sense. This above list of scoundrels may resemble the guest list of a Jewish wedding, but this ongoing affair will produce no honeymoon. These operatives function as soft double agents. Their devious mission is to justify US war(s) of aggression that benefit Israel.

    Being a successful neocon doesn’t require being right. Not at all. It’s all about sending the right message. Over and over. Evidence be damned. The neocon mission is not about journalism. It’s about advancing the cause: Mideast disruption and a secure Jewish state.

    More importantly, Washington’s impenetrable array of Zio-centric PACs, money-handlers, bundlers, fund-raisers, and billionaires want these crypto-Israeli pundits right where they are–on TV or in the your local newspaper–telling Americans how to feel and what to think. And Big Media–which happens to be in bed with these same powerful forces–needs these Zions in place to not only justify the latest Mideast confrontation, but even ones being planned. It’s one big happy effort at group-think, mass deception, and military conquest. Unfortunately, it’s not being presented that way.

    So what lies ahead?

    More subversion and more conflict. This explains why Pres. Trump has reversed course. He’s caved. Once elected, Trump decided to would be suicide to try to frustrate the Israeli Lobby. So he cucked his Presidency and dumped several major campaign pledges.

    The first to go was his pledge to normalize US-Russian relations (‘make peace’ with Russia) and after that 2) avoid unnecessary wars abroad. That’s was a huge reversal. But Trump did it and few pundits have scolded him for it. The fix is in.

    Candidate Trump also stated: “I don’t want your [Jewish] money” to an auditorium full of wealthy Jews. Well, that’s changed too. Pres. Trump is now surrounded by wealthy and powerful Israeli-firsters now, including mega-billionaire, Sheldon Adelson, who ended up feeding the Trump campaign untold millions. Sadly, Trump has totally rolled over for the Israelis.

    So Trump (the President) now sees things differently. Very differently. When it comes to the Middle East, Trump has been Hillary-ized. This means there’s no light between what Israel desires and what Washington is willing to deliver. The hyper-wealthy, super cohesive, extraordinarily well-positioned and diabolically cleaver Israeli lobby has Trump over a barrel. Shocking, yes. But true.

    So watch Israel’s roughshod expansion continue, along with the typically meek and accommodating responses from Washington.

    Regarding Israel, Washington will foot their war bill, supply the arms, lend diplomatic cover and even wage war on their behalf. No country in the world receives this kind of treatment. And no country in the world deserves it.

    What’s worse, our ‘independent’ MSM will be there to sanitize Washington’s pro-Israel shenanigans and basically cheer the whole bloody process on. This is where the Zio-punditry of Kristol, Cohen, Stephens, Dubowitz, and Co. come in. They soothe the nervous nellies as they gently justify the death and destruction that come with these military strikes. Media tactics include:

    Don’t count enemy war dead. Don’t count civilian war dead. Don’t count displaced refugees. Don’t connect Europe’s immigration crisis to Zio-Washington’s destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    At the same time: Always praise Israeli ‘restraint’. Always refer to Israel as a ‘democracy’. Sneer and jeer the ‘terrorist’ Republic of Iran. Treat every Mideast warlord or rebellion as if it threatens the sanctity of Disneyland or even the next Superbowl. Oh my!

    It’s a slick, highly-coordinated, and very manipulative affair. But the magic is working. Americans are being fooled.

    Ironically, US security would be improved if we simply minded our own business and did nothing in the Middle East besides pursue normal and peaceful trade policies. But that’s not to be.

    The reason for this phenomena is that Washington’s major PACs, syndicates, heavy hitters, influence peddlers, oligarchs, and Big Money handlers (and who also have their clutches on our corrupt MSM) want more Mideast disruption.

    Why?

    Israeli ‘security’. Israeli ‘survival’.

    Considering Israel’s extraordinary military power, this might seem silly. But this is what the entrenched Israeli lobby desires.

    And both Parties are listening.

    To make matters worse, how one ‘thinks’ and ‘talks’ about Israel has unacknowledged limitations and restrictions in Big Washington as well as Big Media.

    Diversity of opinion stops at Israel’s doorstep. Like it or not, Zionist Israel is the Third Rail of American discourse. Watch what you say. Even the typically rancorous disputes between Democrats and Republicans gets warm and fuzzy when Israel’s ‘special place’ in American life is raised. America’s ‘special relationship’ with you-know-who is the quintessential red line that no establishment figure will cross. And those who do cross that line tend to fade rapidly into oblivion. This phenomena has not gone unnoticed.

    So America is stuck with pro-Israel speech codes and a militantly pro-Zionist foreign policy that has caused immense cost, dislocation, suffering and destruction. It’s been designed that way. And ‘outsider’ Trump is stuck with it. Few dare examine it.

    Here’s the short list of Israel’s primary Enemies. Significantly, these are the countries that also get the worst press in American media:

    The (anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian) Republic of Iran.
    Syria, which still claims land (Golan Heights) stolen by Israel in 1967.
    Lebanon (where Hezbollah roams)
    Palestine (will they never give up?)
    Russia (allied with Iran and Assad’s Syria)

    N. Korea is even a player here. Iran and N. Korea have allegedly shared nuclear technology. This infuriates nuclear Israel.

    So the Israel angle in this picture is huge. Overwhelmingly so. This is where the oligarchs, media lords, and corrupt journalists come together.

    Thus, Israel’s tenured Hasbara brigade in US media will remain firmly in place.

  10. The local DC ‘conservative’ radio station has Bolton as a guest all the time. Same old neocon crap that we don’t want any more. Bolton had his day 15 years ago and he sucked then; yet, they keep bringing him on, slobbering all over him (“Ambassador Bolton”), and letting him blather about blowing up everyone. I still see a lot of online comments about how people would love to have John Bolton as our ambassador to the UN. Good grief wise up people.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  11. geokat62 says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Four to three. Not bad.

    If you were referring to the pic at the top of the page, there is only one goy among them, John Bolton.

    So, it’s more like six to one, not good.

    • Agree: MEexpert
    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Wally
  12. geokat62 says:
    @Mark Green

    As always, excellent comment, Mark.

    I especially enjoyed the use of the double entendre in:

    So what lies ahead?

  13. wayfarer says:

    ” Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. ” – Buddha

    ” Israel Lobby Refuses to Register as a Foreign Agent! “

    • Replies: @c matt
    , @Carroll Price
  14. Tom Welsh says:

    ‘Stephens’ article, entitled Finding the Way Forward on Iran sparkles with throwaway gems like “Tehran’s hyperaggressive foreign policy in the wake of the 2015 nuclear deal” and “Real democracies don’t live in fear of their own people” and even “it’s not too soon to start rethinking the way we think about Iran.” Or try “A better way of describing Iran’s dictatorship is as a kleptotheocracy, driven by impulses that are by turns doctrinal and venal.”’

    Hmmmmm…. I can immediately think of another nation to which those strictures are far more applicable.

    “Hyperaggressive foreign policy”
    “Kleptocracy”

    Sounds more like the USA, doesn’t it?

    As for “Real democracies don’t live in fear of their own people”, that’s a real home run.

    1. The USA is not, never has been, never will be, and was never meant to be “a real democracy”. (Except by unrealistic visionaries like Jefferson).

    2. The USA has been, for some decades, a plutocracy – as comprehensively proved by Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page. https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

    3. “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty”. – Thomas Jefferson

    No prizes for guessing which of Jefferson’s alternatives prevails today.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/14/why-is-department-homeland-security-buying-so-many-bullets.html

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  15. annamaria says:

    “Pompous ass Cohen — “and you know, Max and I are both intellectuals…”
    —”Intellectuals...” oh my! Glasser, Cohen, and Boot — as well as Weinstein, Stephens, Dubowitz and all the above depicted (Perle, Ledeen, idiot Feith…)– are the victims of shtettls’ inbreeding; they are the arrogant half-wit progeny of those inhabitants of Jewish Pales of Settlements, whose existence invited such a visceral dislike from the educated and refined German Jews with the nationalist (ethnic) ambitions. And look at the ideological ancestry of the ziocons – the midgety racist Grun (the self-aggrandizing “Ben Gurion”), the thuggish pro-fascism Jabotinsky and such. And of course, “Among the most prominent Soviet Communist Jewish leaders were Grigory Zinoviev, Moishe Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Gregory Sokolnikov and Leon Trotsky. The head of the dreaded NKVD secret police was a Jew. Records from the Soviet Union revealed that in the1920’s, 75% of the leading Communists were Jews.”
    — Again, why Germans have been demonized by co-tribalists of the Bolsheviks?

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ben-gurion-and-jabotinsky-were-like-hitler-on-nazi-laws-and-godwins-law/

    https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/10/20/jabotinsky-zionist-case-fascism/

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-jews-were-hated-in-pre-war-and-post-war-eastern-european-countries/

    http://rense.com/general77/disturb.htm

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/

    http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/banned-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn-two-hundred-years-together-almost-f

  16. @Mr. Anon

    John Bolton, who rather looks like an evil Captain Kangaroo …

    LOL! Thanks for the image.

  17. @geokat62

    One you added on the left has absolutely no Jewish features so he cannot be a Jew.
    One on the right (of Bolton) is the borderline so he could be Jewish, but he is maybe sayanim.

  18. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    When you control the media, you control the message. That message is that America just has to keep busting up nations for the glory of Apartheid Israel.

    From an April 2003 Haaretz article:

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

    If this insanity keeps up, America will either be destroyed by financial collapse from waging all these wars or we’ll stumble into WW III and the last thing we’ll see is a mushroom cloud.

    Former Brit PM Tony Blair at the Chilcot inquiry:

    What role did Israel play in the run-up to the Iraq war?

    “As I recall that discussion, it was less to do with specifics about what we were going to do on Iraq or, indeed, the Middle East, because the Israel issue was a big, big issue at the time. I think, in fact, I remember, actually, there may have been conversations that we had even with Israelis, the two of us, whilst we were there. So that was a major part of all this.”

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/02/iraq-war-israel-bush-saddam

  19. annamaria says:
    @Mark James

    “Whether print, air, or both the Neocons want to be players. They have the friends in high –media– places to do it.”
    – They, neocons, are devoid of dignity. This explains why none of them feels any responsibility for the mass slaughter in the Middle East — picture Madeleine Albright near thousands of tiny corpses of Iraqi children or the piggish Kristol next to the bloody bags with shredded Syrian children. They are psychopaths, the profiteering psychopaths. There is no other way to deal with neo/ziocons but through long-term incarceration.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @Alden
  20. Fan will blow in a fresh air. It will be no fun

  21. Bill Jones says: • Website

    The US imported 2 million Jews from Eastern Europe between 1880-1920. It was the US’s biggest error until the not unrelated vomiting of the state of Israel on the people of Palestine

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @jacques sheete
    , @Druid
  22. Those Zionist neocons are just a few of the cabal that destroyed the WTC and got away with it and every thinking American knows it.

    Zionists are Satanists and are going to destroy America, please read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Jake
  23. MEexpert says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Look again. His has a typical Jewish face.

    The score is still 6 to 1. John Bolton may bot be Jewish but he is a venom spewing neocon.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  24. Sam Huntington asks from the great beyond:

    WHO ARE WE?

    WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party is highly vulnerable to the immigration issue and the national question.

    The Neo-Conservative Jews push nation-wrecking mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. The Neo-Conservative Jews are using mass immigration as a demographic weapon against the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservatives say that the United States is nothing but a “proposition nation” or an “ideological nation.” The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservatives rhetorically reconfigure the historic American nation in order to wrest control of the US military and the levers of power in the federal government. The Jews in the Neo-Conservative faction want to use the US military to fight on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservatives use propaganda lies and falsehoods to tell the soldiers in the US military that they are fighting for “universal values” or “freedom and democracy” or some other blatant lie from the Neo-Conservatives. The unassimilated Jews in the Neo-Conservative faction of the Republican Party are not even skilled liars or propaganda pushers. The Neo-Conservative Jews rely on the fact that Jews are heavily infested in the corporate propaganda apparatus of the United States.

    White Core American Patriots will have to remove the unassimilated Neo-Conservative Jews from both the government and the propaganda outlets. The Neo-Conservative Jews must be dislodged from their spots in the ruling class of the American Empire.

    White Core American Patriots must state over and over again that the United States is a European Christian nation-state and that the US military will fight for the best interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    THE NEO-CONSERVATIVE JEWS ARE UNASSIMILATED INTERLOPERS

    THE NEO-CONSERVATIVE JEWS MUST BE REMOVED FROM POWER

    NO MORE NEO-CON WAR FOR ISRAEL

    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Justsaying
  25. It looks like Trump has made a deal that will save Cloud City forever.

  26. Jake says:

    My fine tuning of this excellent article begins, and perhaps ends, with this quote: “The fact is that Iran is being targeted because Israel sees it as its prime enemy in the region and has corrupted many “opinion makers” in the U.S., to include Stephens, to hammer home that point.”

    The ‘corruption’ is not recent and is not about any one issue or series of issues. It springs from Deep Culture. It is part of the WASP worldview.

    WASP culture is the direct product of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism, which was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy always produces culture and politics that are pro-Jewish, pro-Semitic.

    At least by the beginning of the Victorian era, virtually 100% of British Empire Elites were hardcore pro-Semitic. Most were pro-Jewish, but a large and growing minority were pro-Arabic and pro-Islamic.

    The Saudis are Arabic. The Iranians are NOT Arabic; Iranians are Indo-European.

    Siding with both wings of Semitic culture – Jewish and Arabic/Islamic – against an Indo-European people is exactly what WASP cultural Elites will do. It is roughly analogous to Oliver Cromwell allying with Jews to wage war against the vast majority of natives of the British Isles.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Moi
  27. Excellent piece. I’d just like to add that Stephens’ op-ed in the NYT ought to be view like Judith Miller’s misleading articles about aluminum-tubes-for-nuclear-centrifuges which appeared in the Times during the run up to the Iraq war: Preparation of the Times’ readership for yet another war in the middle east, this time against Iran.

  28. Jake says:
    @DESERT FOX

    No, Saudis destroyed the World Trade Center.

    But the Israelis do see the Saudis as their Middle Eastern BFF, and the US is also tightly allied with the Saudis.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Wally
    , @Druid
  29. Jake says:
    @Bill Jones

    You cannot separate that ‘error’ from the fact that such an act fit perfectly with WASP culture as the product of Judaizing heresy.

    That is exactly what WASP culture would do.

    • Replies: @DaveE
  30. Tammy says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert says, “Look again. His has a typical Jewish face.

    The score is still 6 to 1. John Bolton may bot be Jewish but he is a venom spewing neocon.”

    Finally someone with the courage of Justin Raimondo has guts to call spade a spade. He has taken the courage to move from the FAKE NEWS:

    Why the Korean ‘Crisis’ Is Completely Phony

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2018/01/08/korean-crisis-completely-phony/

    Ron Unz is another courageous man. I wish and pray to God, that people like Ron Unz, Philip M. Giraldi, Paul Craig Roberts, Saker and their likes to move away from FAKE NEWS too, and tell us the TRUTH.

    Evil can be fought only with TRUTH…..

    Your idea about an article on political Islam by either Ron Unz or Philip M. Giraldi is an excellent idea, and I am willing to help provided we keep away from sectarianism and stick to TRUTH. The war the First Caliph abu Bakr which he fought with Yemen’s Muslims within six months of Prophet’s demise is very important to show how the rights given by Prophet Mohammad (saws) were taken away as soon as his demise. Our aim should be to shine the light on the Prophet. This is what Yemen’s war did, just to start with:

    1. Prophet did away with excommuniting someone from the fold as he saw a very powerful tool in the hands of Rabbis and Preacher. Who gave them the right to remove someone from Synagogue or Church.
    2. So abu Bakr came up with much stronger tool, he called all the Yemeni Muslims en masses as apostate.
    3. Brought back the slavery.
    4. Claimed that he the Caliph abu Bakr was appointed by Will of Allah through predestination.
    5. Thus, the ideology of ISIS calling everyone kafir, kafir, kafir ….. and chopping their heads.
    6. Used Islam as a disguise to bring other countries in to the fold for power and mammon (money), thus bring Islam by Sword.

    The list is extensive and I can go on and on. The divide / confuse / rule was used against the Muslims.

    The objective of the article should be to bring TRUTH about the Prophet.

  31. @Tammy

    Anyone who thinks Trump is a fool is an imbecile himself/herself.

    Thanks for the compliment!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  32. sarz says:
    @Mark Green

    Don’t lose heart, Mark Green. There is a very good chance that Trump is actually with you, and that he’s winning. He cannot afford to be straight at all. His strategy is to take up highly charged strands of the dominant discourse and to short circuit them. A strong play of a weak hand. He’s run with the demands of Adelson, Netanyahu and Kushner regarding Jerusalem and other maximal Israeli demands. It’s all in response to the worst Jews. The result is that Shias are united with Sunnis, Hamas with PLO, Iran with Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The whole world against America, Israel and some specks of guano. The Iran caper is the same. The Pakistan caper even better. Trump gives the military a free hand to show what they can do in Afghanistan. Then he blows his twitter top to insult Pakistan so there will no longer be a land route. He’s doing his damndest and always failing. What a clueless asshole. Yet every failure is undoing the empire, and leading to a one-state resolution in Palestine.
    That’s just the foreign policy part.
    By the time he’s finished there will be no Democrat party left as we know it, and the GOP will be transformed as well.
    There will be no more Fed. No more debt based currency. A paid off national debt.
    And there will be single payer medical coverage.
    God willing.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  33. That was a great summary of our foreign policy situation, Mr. Giraldi. You have a lot of guts to write out all the truth that you see, as you have in all of the articles of yours I’ve read on unz.

    I really liked this line, too:

    To be sure, Iran is a very corrupt place run by people who should not be running a hot dog stand, but the same applies to the United States and Israel.

    I have one question for you, Phil, and this is not hypothetical or snarky – just looking for your opinion: What do you think the neocons’ attitude about the Orient is? I realize that China is on the road to kicking our ass economically, but that’s the “war” we need to fight, not a military war. Then, there’s N. Korea, which, in my opinion, is none of our business. Rest of the question – Trump seems to get sucked into the standard invade-the-world mode in the Far East also – do you think that is neocon-inspired, and, since that part of the world is no threat to Israel, if so, why? Would they possibly be masking their intentions by expanding the range of their invade-the-world program?

  34. DaveE says:

    Another fine essay, Mr. Giraldi. Thanks once again.

    This morning we find a very unusual Op Ed in the JYT by David Brooks, “The Decline of Anti-Trumpism”.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/anti-trump-opposition.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

    I don’t usually read that filthy rag other than to skim the headlines, but this was just so bizarre, I couldn’t resist. Brooks seems to admit that they (Jewish neocons/Bolsheviks) are losing the battle to take down Trump. He openly criticizes the media for being so obvious and self-discrediting.

    Is this a total retreat for the neocons / Bolsheviks? Or is Brooks merely rallying the troops? Or simply a desperate attempt to regain credibility by telling the truth, for a change?

    Or maybe he is preemptively refuting Mr. Giraldi’s premise in this piece, a semi-novel tactic one might call Jewish Preemptive Vengeance…… getting even BEFORE the fact?

    Anyway, it was downright WEIRD.

  35. @Jake

    Do some research, Israel and the U.S. deep state blew up 7 buildings at the WTC on 911 and blew up a section of the pentagram, the Saudis were the patsys , and as corrupt and evil as the Saudis are they had on part in it.

    The Zionist neocons did 911 to set the Mideast wars in motion, do some research, hell every thinking American knows Israel did it.

  36. c matt says:
    @wayfarer

    Considering what an absolute stranglehold they have over American politics, they may have an argument.

  37. @Mark Green

    Great comment, Mark. I would like to paste the entire thing into the Peak Stupidity blog, if I can get your permission. I would only add one remark onto the end regarding this one sentence, that’ll I’ll just remark on here.

    Don’t connect Europe’s immigration crisis to Zio-Washington’s destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    I don’t agree with this one line. I think, first of all, that the neocons don’t mind at all the current Euro-invasion being connected with the wars caused by America in the Middle East/N. Africa. I think the people who want this invasion, the evil Commie Merkel ( see also here, and here) and the Brussels EU Globalists, like to use that as an excuse. They would be happy to import people from non-invaded countries, and the refugees from the countries with the turmoil and destruction should be headed to places nearby. That’s how it’s supposed to work – near enough to go home eventually. (I know, that’s not those “refugees’” plan, of course.)

    • Replies: @Mark Green
  38. DaveE says:
    @Jake

    Aren’t you running late for your BLM meeting?

  39. Anon-og says:

    Exciting times ahead of us:

    Oprah Winfrey probably would be a pro-Israel president

    Because this is the world we live in, buzz is now building around Oprah Winfrey running for president in 2020.

    Winfrey sparked the speculation with a speech at the Golden Globes in which she praised women who have come forward with stories of sexual abuse, declared that the “time is up” for abusive men and promised girls that “a new day is on the horizon.” She also spoke about the importance of a free press that “keeps us from turning a blind eye to corruption and to injustice. To — to tyrants and victims, and secrets and lies.”

    It’s hard to say what policies the iconic talk show host would support as leader of the free world (would we all get a car?). But one thing we can expect: President Oprah Winfrey would probably be pro-Israel.

    Winfrey has had a positive relationship with Jewish leaders and the Jewish state stretching back at least a decade. In 2007, she was honored by Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel at a dinner for his foundation, and pledged to visit the Jewish state — though the trip doesn’t appear to have happened. Upon receiving the award, Ynet News reported, Winfrey expressed sympathy for Israel’s fight against terrorism.

    More recently, Winfrey has rejected an overture from the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel. In 2015, Winfrey wore diamonds from Israeli jeweler Lev Leviev on the cover of O, her monthly magazine. BDS activists came to the magazine’s office with a letter demanding Winfrey reject Leviev but were barred from entering.

    Also, Tamar Geller, an Israeli ex-intelligence officer, once trained Winfrey’s dogs. So there’s that.

    What about Oprah and The Jews? Winfrey connected a few times with Wiesel. In 2006, she selected his groundbreaking memoir, “Night,” for her book club, pushing it back onto best-seller lists decades after its publication. That year, she filmed an extended segment with Wiesel on the grounds of Auschwitz, the former concentration camp.

    After ending her talk show in 2012, Winfrey spent a day with Chabad touring the Hasidic outreach group’s neighborhood in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. She had a meal at a Chabad home, met with five women from the Hasidic group and visited a mikvah, or Jewish ritual bath. She told Motti Seligson, a Chabad spokesman, that she was impressed with Chabad’s emphasis on family life.

    “What’s gonna happen when people see this family and see that it’s possible that in the United States of America, in Brooklyn, you can have nine children and none of them are watching television, and none of them are on computers all day long, and none of them are sassing their parents, and they’re well-mannered and live in harmony with their families,” she said.

    Winfrey also featured the story of a Hasidic Jewish boy from Hungary in 2015, when he was the breakout star of “Belief,” a seven-part documentary series exploring various faiths around the world that aired on OWN, her TV network. The show followed Mendel Hurwitz of Budapest as he prepared for his bar mitzvah. After the show, Winfrey tweeted that she “loved” his story.

    Will that be enough to win her Florida in 2020? Only time will tell.

    https://www.jta.org/2018/01/08/arts-entertainment/oprah-winfrey-probably-would-be-a-pro-israel-president

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @chris
    , @sarz
  40. @Tammy

    Yes, the writers have some guts to write this stuff. It’s great to get the real truth in front of people.

    The truth about the Moslems has been written more in the American press (not the Lyin’ Press, I mean the real press on the internet), though in Europe most are too afraid at this point.

    The Moslems with their pedophile-Prophet and Sharia bullshit are not the kind we need ANY of in America. There are good people of all religions and backgrounds, but these people fit in like a blowtorch at a natural gas plant. You all can fight your inter-Islamic wars somewhere back in the sand pit where y’all came from.

    Oh, is that your real name, Tammy?

    The objective of the article should be to bring TRUTH about the Prophet.

    YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH, El-TAMMY!

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Tammy
    , @Druid
  41. Art says:

    Mr. Giraldi has gone after the real power center in America – the Jew controlled US media.

    Much is said about “we dumb Americans.” We are not all that dumb – but we are 100% misinformed. Propaganda works. It is a fact that the human mind is susceptible to repeated lies. (It is also true, that people hate being lied too.)

    Much is said about “Christian Zionists.” Why is it, that NO Christian broadcast media tells the truth about Palestinian suffering? Of course, it is because of Jew media control. If Christian stations were to tell the truth, there would be a lot less Christian Zionists – they would be a small segment of Christianity.

    Thanks to Mr. Giraldi and others on the internet – more and more people are listening and learning and getting mad. A base is building. Truth will out!

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Sherman
  42. Joe Hide says:

    The more the psychotic control freaks
    publically expose themselves, what with social media, the internet, and disenchanted leakers in their own group… the more of humanity wakes up to a great sense of absolute disgust in them. We, humanity, are gradually winning and the disgusting pyschopaths are losing.

  43. @sarz

    A paid off national debt.

    As much optimism as you have, Sarz, and faith in the President (good on ya’), no, that is quite impossible. Even Dr. Paul would not have been able to fix the $20,000,000,000,000 hole we are in, but he would have been able to get people’s mind straighter on the problem, in order to become a still-decent country after the coming crash

    .And there will be single payer medical coverage.

    Here, it had thought you were Mr. Optimism. You want that? WTF is wrong with you?

    Check out the free-market health-care in (formerly) Red China:

    Part 1
    Part 2
    Part 3
    Part 4

    Some of us would just like to live in a free country again some day. I’d be happy if I knew there was some way THAT was gonna’ happen.

    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Frankie P
  44. DaveE says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    You’re half right. The two sides of Jewish Totalitarianism are bolshevik communism for domestic policy and neoconservative-ism for foreign policy. Which pretty well defines America since JFK.

    Focusing on the neocons is only HALF the battle to defeat Jewish Totalitarianism once and for all.

  45. Wally says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Not quite.
    2nd row:

    left: Libby: Jew
    middle: Bolton: Jew
    right: Gaffney: Jew

    It’s six to zero, all Jews

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  46. Does Mr Giraldi really expect us to believe that the US internet is any better than the media outlets he criticizes? The whole US media scene can be summed up as “don’t believe their pack of lies. Believe my pack of lies”!

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Tammy
    , @renfro
  47. @Tammy

    Tammy opined: “Ron Unz is another courageous man. I wish and pray to God, that people like Ron Unz, Philip M. Giraldi, Paul Craig Roberts, Saker and their likes to move away from FAKE NEWS too, and tell us the TRUTH.”

    Hi Tammy,

    What brand is your family hashish? Afghan, Morrocan? Hm. Wish I could crusade-on-over to your house while the hash pipe is passed around.

    At any rate, the people you mention above are not Moslems.

    Please enlighten me, Ms. Tammy?

    How can anyone anticipate either a secular/reform/Orthodox Jew, a Christian, or an agnostic to tell the (political) “TRUTH” according to Prophet Mohammed?

    F.Y.I., months ago, a gentleman with screen name & web site “Rehmat’s World” regularly offered firey unconventional-comments here at the U.R. With wisdom, and as an effectual cyber- muezzin, Rehmat never called upon Ron Unz, P. Giraldi, Saker, and Paul Craig Roberts to “stay away from FAKE news.”

    To perhaps lessen the sting of my words, take another hit? And know that Rehmat once hammered me here at U.R. and bluntly told me that I’m “self-deceived” or something like that. Nevertheless, I really miss appearances of “Rehmat’s World” here.

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    , @MEexpert
    , @Tammy
  48. Wally says:
    @Anon-og

    ” she was honored by Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel”
    That’s classic garbage in garbage out. There was no ’6M Jews’.

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”- Elie Wiesel

    What Elie Wiesel described in his book “Night”:

    Early the next day, Jewish boys ran off to Weimar to steal clothing and potatoes. And to rape German girls [un tsu fargvaldikn daytshe shikses]. The historical commandment of revenge was not fulfilled.”

    Elie Wiesel accused of sexual assault https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    Only Liars Want Censorship

    • Replies: @Anon-og
    , @anonymous
  49. @Wally

    You are sadist. You are throwing out of the windows all my courses in race identification.

    • Troll: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @Wally
  50. Wally says: • Website
    @Michael Kenny

    Yes he does, and logically so.
    The internet gives one endless choices to compare.

    But hey, you’re a communist,

    Communism: the enemy of choice.

    • Replies: @Eli Lilly
  51. @Jake

    You do not understand that pussy rules the world.
    Cromwell’s wife was Jewess. And Cromwell did not want to upset her.
    So he let the Jews back to England.
    Now imagine this even more horrifying scene.
    Imagine if Cromwell’s wife would have been Gypsy.

  52. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark Green

    “Candidate Trump also stated: “I don’t want your [Jewish] money” to an auditorium full of wealthy Jews. s. ”

    And nobody ridicules him for not taking the money from Sheldon . The ridiculers and the ridiculists do not decry against Trump despite obvious caving to pressure on Jerusalem from Adelson . The gallery of the intellectuals ( New movement among the stupidest on earth — “me too – I am an intellectual ” ) bastards didn’t come out and demand Trump be held accountable because he broke the promise of taking Jewish money and because he made the deal with Jewish money to relocate the capital to Jerusalem

  53. sarz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Even Dr. Paul would not have been able to fix the [debt].” Actually, there’s very little I would count on Ron Paul being able to fix. There’s his crazy ideas of competing currencies and all sorts of other baggage he carries. He thinks there’s something called libertarianism, and he’s got it.

    Look up Ellen Brown’s Web of Debt to get an idea of why the time for competing currencies is past.

    To see how Trump could eliminate the debt in eight years, as he claimed in his campaign, take a look at Bill Still’s little video on the topic.

    Bill Still mentioned towards the end of the presidential race that he had had feelers from Trump’s people. In case you don’t know about Still, he is an expert on the Federal Reserve and its alternatives.

    Trump is well aware of alternatives to debt-based currency. He studied the National Socialist economic miracle. His fitst wife mentioned that Hitler’s speeches were his bedside reading. The real Adolf Hitler, admired by M K Gandhi and J F Kennedy. Not the Holocaust guy, because that is fiction.

    It’s way too early for Trump to move on the Fed. First he has to lock up Hillary and put the fear of God into the swamp creatures.

  54. anarchyst says:

    Almost all of the neocons hold “dual-citizenship” with Israel, as well as using pseudonyms instead of their given (jewish) names. This tactic is rampant through academia, hollywood, and the political and lobbying classes as well.
    It is interesting to note that one can call a “jew” a shyster, ne-er-do-well, shylock, bankster, crook, or other nefarious term, and it will roll off the jew’s back like a duck in water, BUT, call a jew a “jew” and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    The neocons are just the mockingbirds we know and love, Giraldi is with the group that mocks the mockingbirds. They share notes, go to the same meetings and play off of each other during show time. Hold those questions until the end of the daily manipulation – assuming you’ll still be able to think straight.

    Giraldi explains the world – just as a more overt warmonger would for the New York Times – as a simplistic one or two dimensional contest, where focus should be trained on the “elected” pitchman in the front office.

  56. densa says:
    @Mark Green

    Well said.

    And the effort to overturn the election morphs through tactics without ever having to answer for itself, from Russian collusion to now ‘Trump has dementia’. Considering the pressure he is under from the media, it is certainly understandable for him to stumble–the stupefying effects of adrenalin and cortisol are well-known.

    He appeases and they just raise the demands. They absolutely will not be happy until they get war with Iran. They were never held accountable for any of the other wars we’ve waged for them, leaving us with only the world’s hatred and debt to show for it.

    The takeover was accomplished through debt and legalizing bribery. The media hasn’t had much to say about that and the Fed’s destruction of the dollar. I wonder how the current bubble ends and how completely fake electronic currencies will figure in. However it shakes out The bank cannot lose.

    Thanks for the actual resistance, the one the financed Resist sedition effort would prefer we know nothing of.

  57. Anon-og says:
    @Wally

    Oh I’m knowing the Fraud and criminal that Wiesel is ……..

  58. Eli Lilly says:
    @Wally

    Neither Bolton nor Gaffney are Jewish.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  59. rufus says:
    @Tammy

    Right tammy. Because if trumpy were a fool (just hypothetically of course) then we might be obliged to start wondering if some other group might be responsible for determining our presidential candidates.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  60. MEexpert says:
    @Tammy

    Tammy:

    Salaam:

    There is a need to separate Original Islam from Political Islam. American need to understand this difference.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  61. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    I tried to reach the site you linked (forum codoh….) I am getting blocked somehow. The antivirus program sounds a warning and there are several firewalls….

    • Replies: @Wally
  62. Pompous ass Cohen, who interjected in the interview that “and you know, Max and I are both intellectuals,”

    This is great, Phil. I laughed with delight from this description. On a more serious note, I don’t think that the magazine (Foreign Policy) which offers constant tribune to such a psycho and ignoramus as Max Boot, among many, can be considered a serious publication. Really sad to see the brain child of late Sam Huntington fall that low. Their Russia “coverage” is altogether… well Goebbels would have been proud.

    • Replies: @L.K
  63. Moi says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Beats me why PG uses the term neocon when he means Jew since Jews are at the power center of the neocons.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  64. Zumbuddi says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Michael Ledeen, bottom right, is not only a Zionist but a “proud Levite.”

    Douglas Reed, Controversy of Zion
    “”Scripture produced in Judah of the Levites asked, “Who is like unto thee, O Lord, AMONG the gods?” ”

    Levites are the tribesmen who volunteered to slay their fellow Hebrews at Sinai, when they stated their preference to return to Egypt rather than invade and destroy Canaan.

    IOW Levites like Ledeen are genetically homicidal.

    They shoot horses — and MAD dogs, Don’t they?

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  65. Moi says:
    @Jake

    Arabic is the language–the people are Arabs.

  66. L.K says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Ilyana_Rozumova: “One you added on the left has absolutely no Jewish features so he cannot be a Jew”

    Oh, Ilyana “ethnic Albanians are gypsies from India” Rozumova… always good for a good laugh…

    You seem to be some sort of Troll, but what is certain is that you are an imbecile.

    Though there are some markedly “Jewish” phenotypes, there is so much variation that it’s simply laughable to pretend one can tell whether or not a person is Jewish just from physical characteristics.

    Jews are a heavily mixed population.

    At any rate, what really matters is that Neoconservatism is a Zionist Jewish political movement and the fact that there gentiles who are a part of it for various reasons does not change this fact one bit.

  67. @Achmed E. Newman

    Hi Achmed.. Please feel free to re-post. -Mark

  68. Zumbuddi says:
    @Zumbuddi

    continued, from Douglas Reed, on Levites;

    “The sect which attached itself to and mastered the tribe of Judah took the rising concept of One God of all peoples . .
    only to destroy it, and to set up the creed based on its denial . .
    subtly, but with scorn, and as this denial is
    .based on the theory of the master race, this denial is necessary and inevitable. A master race, if there be one, must itself be God.”

  69. Sowhat says:

    I see nothing new here. No matter how it is sliced, the MSM is one. Those that play the Intelligence State’s Narrative and THOSE that play the Intelligence State’s Narrative. When there seems to be some opposite view, there will always be some statement, within the Narrative to which, those counted as “OTHERS” will cling .

    This whole system of Governing and at the same time controlling public opinion is leagues and decades ahead of the populous, and opposition to it can rant, op ed, start up alternative web sites, and whatever else they wish to do but, there will NEVER be a successful rebellion against “The Machine”. It simply won’t happen. Wish and Pray and Rant and grow old with prematurely graying hair with your concerns and angst. That’s all you’ll have that is tangible for your hours, perhaps years, of fretting and writing. No matter who is voted into office, once they arrive, they are briefed on what their office will entail- how they will be advised, what they will not be allow to say. They can be eloquent, demure, astute and intelligent with an air of “political correctness” or they can come across as reality show host with bombastic, neurotic and careless trash mouth. Either will do. No matter.

    The goals and designs of the ISN and decades of practice will keep the public mouth pieces from registering with the public thoughts and will keep public eyes from prying too deeply. It’s as set in stone as Mount Rushmore. At any point in time and at their whim, the government will turn on segments of the public or on individuals, providing mass interments or individual incarceration, all the while, whipping up public sentiment that suites the IS’s Narrative. One is better off focusing upon their own sustenance and long-term financial wellness. That is really all that those that tweak and continue the Narrative want The Citizenry to do. You pay your taxes. THEY’LL decide what is best for the “common good.”

    They may have created this world of continuous Terrorism for the sole purpose of keeping Islam at bay and damaged and on the other side of the globe. We all know what came first- the chicken or the egg. The Capitalists’ Militaristic Imperialism or Jihad? So what?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @renfro
  70. Thorwad says:
    @Mark Green

    The Neocon Zionists are not just about Israel. More essentially they are about the dissolution of gentile society, of Christianity–here in the US and in Europe. They are truly enemies of the society and should be considered and treated as such. But the money power has the population by the throat; it also has the extraordinarily venal and corrupt government by the throat. It’s not new. It’s over 100 years old, and they are patient. Sadly, they control the media entirely, and the US public is famously an intellectually lazy and ignorant public which only seeks to be entertained. So, they will get exactly what they deserve, and they deserve the contempt in which the Zionists hold them. As Solzhenitsyn noted almost a half-century ago, the Americans have lost their “nerve”–they have become cowards who cannot stand up to the oppression that is gradually strangling them, nor can they “handle” the truth.

    • Agree: renfro, jacques sheete, Z-man
    • Replies: @edNels
  71. Is Trump really pursuing a neocon foreign policy? I wonder about that. He did cut off arms to the “freedom fighters” in Syria which enraged the neocons mentioned above. He also took the fight to ISIS, which, at the end of the day, was a cat’s paw for Israel (and is alleged to have received aid from Israel). And as we stand here right now, Assad is still in power and Hezbollah isn’t going anywhere. The neocons are having a conniption over this. Interestingly, all the media talk about Trump’s “mental stability” really gained momentum in the last 3 weeks, after Assad and Putin celebrated their win over ISIS. Odd connection, that.

    Anyone who thinks the result would have been better with Hillary Clinton in office is the one who needs their mental stability checked.

    Yes, Trump did move the embassy to Jerusalem. Symbolic move that won him some political capital here and triggered the usual flag burning in the Middle East. Nothing more.

    I’m preparing to be disappointed in Trump’s foreign policy, but I’m not as of yet.

  72. L.K says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Goebbels should be considered a truth teller when compared to the Stalinist propagandists…

    Or the Brit & American ones for that matter…

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  73. Max Boot and Bill Kristol have signaled on various outlets that their cult has joined the identity politics cult, which is a retreat back to their Marxist roots. Hopefully, the self-consuming snake is real and we can watch the Zionists and African Supremacists drown together in the same pool of blood.

  74. Z-man says:

    Neocons, a curse on us, a pox on them.

  75. Z-man says:
    @Mr. Anon

    There’s this other whack job retired colonel Peters and retired general Keane who sounds like a New Jersey longshoreman who are just as bad and always on Fox.

  76. Israel Offers African Migrants a Choice: Ticket Out or Jail

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/world/middleeast/israel-africans.html

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party pushes open borders mass immigration.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party pushes amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon against the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party does not push open borders mass immigration for Israel. The Neo-Cons do not support amnesty for illegal alien invaders in Israel.

  77. Zumbuddi says:

    Unz Forumites — All of you MUST read Controversy of Zion.

    Neocons may have evolved from Trotskyites but first they were Levites and Levites were basically mass murderers who infiltrated the followers of Moses and, most likely, killed them before invading Canaan.

    Reed writes that the Israelite – Judahite/Levitic mythology “drew on . . .Assyrian [among other] mythologies.”
    History records that Assyrians were vicious warriors, that conquered the Hebrews a few times.

    In zionist iconography, Theodore Herzl is depicted as an Assyrian king.

    We are dealing w a tribe of murderers w millennia long histlry.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @jacques sheete
  78. Zumbuddi says:
    @Zumbuddi

    PS Last weekend was Epiphany, when the Three Persian Wise Men, who navigated by the stars (pre-GPS), used reason and science to discover Jesus, the anti-Levite, then avoided returning in Herod’s path since Herod eanted to kill Jesus & all babies.

    See the Andrew Joyce article — destroying other people’s children is deeply entrenched in Levitic practice.

    But Jesus said he would protect the Children.
    We should set Epiphany — and the Wise Persians — as the Patron Saints / feast day of RESISTANCE TO ZIONISM,

  79. peterAUS says:
    @Sowhat

    This whole system of Governing and at the same time controlling public opinion is leagues and decades ahead of the populous, and opposition to it can rant, op ed, start up alternative web sites, and whatever else they wish to do but, there will NEVER be a successful rebellion against “The Machine”. It simply won’t happen. Wish and Pray and Rant and grow old with prematurely graying hair with your concerns and angst. That’s all you’ll have that is tangible for your hours, perhaps years, of fretting and writing. No matter who is voted into office, once they arrive, they are briefed on what their office will entail- how they will be advised, what they will not be allow to say. They can be eloquent, demure, astute and intelligent with an air of “political correctness” or they can come across as reality show host with bombastic, neurotic and careless trash mouth. Either will do. No matter.

    The goals and designs of the ISN and decades of practice will keep the public mouth pieces from registering with the public thoughts and will keep public eyes from prying too deeply. It’s as set in stone as Mount Rushmore. At any point in time and at their whim, the government will turn on segments of the public or on individuals, providing mass interments or individual incarceration, all the while, whipping up public sentiment that suites the IS’s Narrative.

    Yes.
    Always has been that way.

    And, yet………every now and then there IS a monumental change.
    True, it settles in almost the same pattern later on, but……for a brief moment there was that “light”.
    And, because “spes ultima moritur”, well, here we are.

    So, even when you say

    One is better off focusing upon their own sustenance and long-term financial wellness.

    you still made that comment.

    There is more to life than “sustenance and long-term financial wellness” and even the hardest cynics know that.

    Because, when ….if….the possibility for the next change happens…well….who’s to say THAT one won’t be the The ONE?
    Yes, all evidence to contrary, but, still….”hope dies last”.

  80. The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party sends out US Senator Tom Cotton to make sure the Whites stay on the reservation. White Core American Patriots have had it with kept whore politicians such as Tom Cotton who put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.

    Senator Tom Cotton is untrustworthy on the immigration issue. The Neo-Conservatives know that the immigration wedge issue is the one that will separate them from power in the American Empire if it gets out of control. White Core American Patriots must plant the wedge on the head of the Neo-Cons and hammer it through.

    Neo-Con Whore Tom Cotton attempts to tamp down the immigration issue:

  81. Sherman says:
    @Art

    Hey Genius

    “We are not all that dumb….it is also true, that people hate being lied too”.

    Ha!

    Apparently you are pretty dumb.

    No wonder we Jews are so powerful. So many of our enemies are so stupid!

    Shalom,
    Sherm

    PS – How are the PORK and beans?

  82. Wally says:
    @Mark Green

    And it’s the fake & impossible ’6M Jews’ that shields their hatred, violence, thievery and lies. Hence we see the propagandized usage by Jews, their media, & leftists of ‘neo-Nazis, ‘Nazis’. All arguments simply end up at the Potemkin Village of “death camp Auschwitz”.

    Until everyone here get’s their head around the immense scam otherwise known as “the holocaust’, aka: “The Holocau$t Industry”, there we be no changes whatsoever.
    I know it, you know it. It’s time for everyone here to get to work.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

  83. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH, El-TAMMY!

    What truth can’t we handle? That our beloved Prophet married a young girl, whose age at the time is still debated now?

    *shrug*

    At the time it was a culture which allowed for such holy matrimonies. The key point many of the cursed souls like you do not wish to acknowledge is that Aisha(ra) was the embodiment of her name, the Living… deeply in love with her husband (and he with her), and a leading authority of his life and rulings. Basically, not a person who seemed violated in any way.

    Some more information can be gleaned here;

    http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

    Can’t say the same about the young victims of your clergy and leaders, who grow up all psychologically scarred for life, now can you?

    And, whatever other “truths” the enemies of true monotheism come up with, you think we do not see through the deceit? Just repeating hearsay over centuries does not make it the truth. You may wish to ponder that with your own dogmas.

    The evil lot of you can wilfully murder millions\all of us, but you simply cannot defeat; God is One, Infinite and Unique… the core of Sharia. Note how our core is not dependent on hearsay, but simply what should be, common-sense.

    You think that is “bullshit”? You may wish to compare that with the varied spiritual beliefs, over the complete history of mankind.

    I have to say, your Islamophobia is very strong. You will make the many degenerates like Spencer, Bannon, etc., very proud. :)

    But, the cost of white supremacy, and the hate of true monotheism it entails, will be steep indeed.

  84. Wally says: • Website
    @geokat62

    Bolton speaks Yiddish, his grandfather was a Jew. He clearly identifies as a Jew.

  85. Wally says:
    @Jake

    said:
    “No, Saudis destroyed the World Trade Center.”

    Seriously? Your proof is ……. ?

    http://www.codoh.com

  86. Wally says:
    @Tammy

    But the real issue is that NK has engaged Iran, and NK has the bomb, so ….

    And parasitical Israel does not want anything like equal footing in the ME.

    http://www.codoh.com

  87. Phil:

    “…the same applies to the United States and Israel. And there are lots of places that are not being targeted like Iran that are far worse, including good friend and ally of both Jerusalem and Washington, Saudi Arabia. …”

    I am a big fan, but within this otherwise good article, you’ve compromised your entire ‘brand’ (and it has been a good one)!

    It looks like you’ve referenced the zionist political entity in occupation of Palestinian lands by referring to a city, which the zionist political entity seeks to control in the name of creating a capital city for their collective membership.

    I do not recognize this city as a representation of the aforementioned collective.

    Is this a mistake?

    Please advise?

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  88. chris says:

    It would be an unparalleled delight to be able to open a newspaper and not see Bret Stephens, Eliot Cohen, Max Boot or even the redoubtable Bill Kristol grinning back from the editorial page, but I suppose I am only dreaming.

    It sure would ! Sadly, as we all know, that day will not be forthcoming any time soon. Israel is sitting on 8 million Palestinians which they have been scheming for 70 years to get rid of, one way or another, and which, I believe they will be actively starting to do, over the next couple of years, if not months.

    Along with the wars we are currently (and which we will be in the future) conducting for them, they need their disinformation ministers to be front and center at all times in order to maintain us at fever pitch and keep us sheep away from their direction. We’re not about to get any peace because the plan cannot work without the propaganda. And they sure aren’t about to stop now, not with the thorough control of the Western societies’ opinions toward their goals, which they’ve worked so hard to achieve. Trump, initially threw a wrench in the works with his open questions of previous wars, but plan B calls for working through and with him.

    We’re only in the middle of the plan’s implementation, which will require further, massive smokescreens involving more simultaneous foreign and civil wars, refugees, and financial collapses, etc. I believe that the embassy move is the symbolic opening shot for the next phase which has begun.

    As with all plans of mice and men, it will be a Pyrrhic victory, if one at all.

    If this sounds somewhat far-fetched, can anyone offer a better explanation of the entire antagonization of Russia, at home and abroad, begun around 2014, by the same Israeli propaganda ministers (neocons)? This is only one of many clues, and to me, they all, only makes sense as part of such a larger framework.

  89. Bret Stephens is a Neo-Conservative Jew who wants the US military to continue to fight wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia. Bret Stephens is a Neo-Conservative Jew who urged George W Bush to drag the US military into the Iraq War debacle. Thousands of US soldiers were killed and tens of thousands were wounded in the Iraq War disaster. Bret Stephens puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.

    Bret Stephens pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders for the United States. Bret Stephens is a Jew who was born in a foreign country but presumes to tell Americans what to do in regards to foreign policy and immigration policy. Bret Stephens supports mass immigration for the United States because he wants to destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Bret Stephens does not push open borders mass immigration for Israel.

    Bret Stephens is an unassimilated interloper Jew who supports the use of mass immigration as a demographic weapon against the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

  90. @trixie dixie

    Oh c’mon Trixie I have spoken out on this issue repeatedly. I am not recognizing anything, least of all the Zionist claims over territory that they have stolen. It’s what they call their capital and I am NOT endorsing it.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @trixie dixie
  91. edNels says:
    @Thorwad

    Good comment that broadens the scope a bit beyond the stultifying narrow focus that is on just that special interest identity that is so well defended and unassailable in political correct company”.

    To the point:

    But the money power has the population by the throat; it also has the extraordinarily venal and corrupt government by the throat. It’s not new. It’s over 100 years old, and they are patient. Sadly, they control the media entirely, and the US public is famously an intellectually lazy and ignorant public which only seeks to be entertained.]

    [

    As Solzhenitsyn noted almost a half-century ago, the Americans have lost their “nerve”–…

    ]

    Beyond the Identification of particular nuts and bolts of it, or the diagnostics describing inexorable naming of protagonists and their evil purposes, I just cringe, more or less, that the trends that are projected in todays events, do seem to be hell bent on destruction and doomsday, no winners in the world that is unfolding in so many ways with or without the totally sociopathic greed, power plays, but even if there could be some miraculous sobering up of mankind, the world isn’t really stable, the ”biosphere” isn’t guaranteed, tomorrow is never ”guaranteed”, not individually nor collectively.

    So maybe it is ”fitting” that the big Kahoon USA, (“intellectually lazy and ignorant public ”)… be led by an entity closely associated with the Dominionist crackpots, and a cult that adheres to a really insane idea, the Sampson Option. IE: (if we don’t get what we want/survive from being ever backed into a corner, we will Blow up everybody!)

  92. chris says:
    @Sherman

    Sherm, are you trying to bully Art again ?

  93. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Second row:
    Shabbos, Shabbos, Shabbos

  94. @Wally

    Got any proof for that?

    • Replies: @Wally
  95. TRUMP GOT SWAMPED BY NEO-CONSERVATIVES

    SURROUNDED BY NEO-CONSERVATIVES

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party wants to “conserve” their ability to use the US military to fight wars on behalf of Israel. And by “conserve” I mean retain.

    White Core American Patriots must remove the Neo-Conservatives from power. The US military must no longer be a vehicle to advance the foreign policy interests of Israel at the expense of American interests.

  96. chris says:
    @Anon-og

    Oprah Winfrey probably [sic] would be a pro-Israel president

    Hey -og, I think you had an extra word in that sentence ! Interesting points you’ve listed. She sure knows under whose benevolence her career has been allowed to unfold. And her groveling sure make her a perfect Democratic or Republican candidate.

    The funniest thing about her and other non-politicians trying to ride Trump’s coat-tails into the White House is how thoroughly they underestimate him and the electorate: ‘If this moron was able to do it, then surely I cannot fail !’

    Not to imply that they are wrong about their assessment of him, but it will be a real pleasure to watch them fail and/or degrade ‘the office’ beyond repair while attempting it.

  97. Frankie P says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck,

    I’m wondering if you haven’t misread Tammy’s admittedly poor English. She did not say call upon Ron Unz, P. Giraldi, Saker and Paul Craig Roberts to “stay away from FAKE news”. Why did you use quotation marks on something that she did not write? She opened her quote by saying that Ron Unz was another courageous man, after calling MEexpert courageous for calling out the venom-spewing neocons. I personally don’t like to comment on who does or does not have a Jewish face, as I think it’s a waste of time. I like to look at what people say and do.

    Now look at what she said, you quoted her accurately at the top of your comment: “I wish and pray to God, that people like Ron Unz, Philip M. Giraldi, Paul Craig Roberts, Saker and their likes to move away from FAKE NEWS too, and tell us the TRUTH.”

    Could she be saying in her inaccurate way that these gentlemen are the opposite of FAKE NEWS, that they furnish us with an antidote to the poison of fake news with their courageous truth-telling. Tammy, feel free to comment and tell us what this means: “and their likes to move away from FAKE NEWS too, and tell us the TRUTH.”

    I don’t know when I’ll be getting back to Pa again, Chuck, but I’d really like to come up and visit you and the Sister there and have lunch and a cup of coffee with you some time.

    Frankie P

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @MEexpert
    , @Tammy
  98. Funny little Gypsy boy, I do not know why,but you just cannot make me angry.
    Actually please keep on tracking. You are giving me kind of amusement.

  99. Frankie P says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m curious as to why you would use “the free-market health care in (formerly) Red China” as an argument against single-payer health insurance for all. The health care system currently in China is an argument FOR single-payer health insurance. I would recommend that instead you take a look at the single-payer system in place here in Taiwan, where I reside. The system has been in place for about 20 years, and although it certainly is not perfect (guess what – no health care system is!), it is a model of fairness and government taking care of its people, not its oligarchs.

    Frankie P

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  100. @Mark Green

    Maybe not! Trump does not like to be a cave man!
    Maybe Trump is more like me. If i cannot do something today, maybe I will do it tomorrow.
    Until Trump will not start a war with a new country, I will trust him and support him.
    You cannot even imagine under what kind of pressure the MSM is putting on him. I would bet that any other person would have a nervous breakdown, and would be long time ago recovering in mental hospital.

  101. @Moi

    It is a long long story, but I will try to be short.
    It did happen under the rule of Bush 1
    When the Soviet Union fell apart, Bush one with his well rested brain declared the new American century, The meaning of it was to unite all world ideologically economically and militarily.
    Naturally under US government. The aim was full spectrum dominance,
    The aims and methods were written in Projekt for New American century,
    The Russians do call this as Uni polar world. And they did not like it a bit.

    There was a conservative government in power. Republicans call themselves Conservatives.
    The aims goals and methods were worked out by ideologues (The jerks on picture above.)
    They declared that the old conservatism is dead and now the new conservatism will start.
    They did shorten it down to neocon.

  102. Wally says:
    @anonymous

    No one else has that problem.

    Perhaps some settings on your computer that you can disable, or you have one the Jew / Zionist inspired filters in place.
    Proving once again that they want no rational discussion of the fake ‘holocaust’ because it does not withstand scrutiny.
    try:
    http://www.codoh.com
    select the ‘Forum’, top right

    “The impossible ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship.”

  103. Wally says:
    @Bipitty Bopitty Boo

    Yes I do.

    Google North Korea Iran

  104. Nothing like coming to the party with one group only to discover, you disapprove of the party behavior.

    I came in with Pres bush. The above crew were his advisers. Sadly, I was not wrong about Iraq and I remain convinced that I am not wrong about Afghanistan. I am not sure how to respond to an environment that promotes those who get it wrong and crushes those who got it correct.

    I would that Pres trump had the backbone to stand and say,

    “No.”

    Not because these are evil men or women, but based on the evidence they just got a lot wrong. That includes those in the AG’s office that orchestrated a near coup against AG Ashcroft. I will forever see him as a beacon of what it takes to stand – to operate with integrity.

    Appreciate the invaluable information.

    • Replies: @renfro
  105. @Tammy

    Anyone who thinks Trump is a fool is an imbecile himself/herself.

    Hi Tammy, even though you just called me an imbecile, I still luv ya! However you based your conclusion on faulty reasoning…:

    Trump is no fool. He beat well established politicians on both sides.

    Those herds of low life scumballs were ripe for a beating and more, but his beating them has nothing to do with him not being a fool, I’d say.

    Anyway, Trump is not only a fool, but an old fool. Anyone who’d want the job he worked for is a fool.

    The old fool has a lot of people fooled, for sure! That’s how he “won” in fact.

    Bless you and all the rest who are hoping for the best. As for this old fool, I predict more of the same. Fools fooling fools who’ve put their faith in fools,ad infinitum.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Tammy
  106. renfro says:
    @Sowhat

    there will NEVER be a successful rebellion against “The Machine”. It simply won’t happen

    Never say Never.

    It took the American colonist a century to decide to over throw King George.
    From when the first government in the colonies in Virginia in 1619 was a ‘royal colony’ of the King to the 1776 Revolution.

    People haven’t quite gotten to the proverbial….’nothing left to lose ‘ yet, but they will.

  107. @Frankie P

    With diplomacy, FrankieP (to me) on Tammy’s comment: “Could she be saying in her inaccurate way that these gentlemen are the opposite of FAKE NEWS, that they furnish us with an antidote to the poison of fake news with their courageous truth-telling.”

    Hi FrankieP,

    Given my not having possession of a particular Rosetta Stone, & thanks to your well intentioned intervention, I do see where I might have misinterpreted what goodness Tammy wanted to convey.

    I try and read stuff written by Islamic political authors, in fact this past Halloween I reread Nir Rosen’s excellent “In the Belly of the Green Bird.” Lucky for me that you appeared ’cause I expected Tammy to give me the Middle-Finger Bird.

    Oh… below is an old Counterpunch interview with Tariq Ali who I learned much from.
    Hope Tariq’ s still around?

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/12/20/empire-and-resistance-an-interview-with-tariq-ali/

    I will be delighted by your possible visit here with me in Scranton, Pa. Sadly, Vulture Birds (collection-agent specie) are circling Scranton, and by the time you get here, I hope they aren’t sampling the heavily indebted entrails of my beloved “Electric City.”

    My treat at Keystone Lunch!

  108. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Not because these are evil men or women, but based on the evidence they just got a lot wrong

    .

    You’d be doing the country a favor if you quit denying they are evil and just made mistakes.

    they just got a lot wrong…is the excuse the politicos use to let them go free and continue to get things wrong.

    This is why the Neocons never went away and are back in government.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  109. @Tom Welsh

    “1. The USA is not, never has been, never will be, and was never meant to be “a real democracy”. (Except by unrealistic visionaries like Jefferson)”

    Jefferson referred to democracy as “mob rule”. He observed that democracy would allow 51% of the people to take away the rights of the other 49%. Jefferson never meant for the US to be a democracy.

  110. RobinG says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Miss Trixie is some kind of neophyte. Three days ago, under David William Pear’s article, she said, “The Madelaine Albright clip was new to me….” While she claims to be familiar with your writing, she can’t have been here long if Albright’s public display of inhumanity is new to her.

    This shows how important it is to keep sharing information. A few Unz regulars hammer away relentlessly on their chosen themes. Tiresome, but how else to keep facts from disappearing? Some wrote that Pear’s piece was boring, nothing new etc., but others acknowledged that it was necessary, and more like it.

  111. Z-man says:
    @Mark James

    There’s never a shortage of those devils.

  112. @Bill Jones

    The US imported 2 million Jews from Eastern Europe between 1880-1920. It was the US’s biggest error until the not unrelated vomiting of the state of Israel on the people of Palestine

    Germany, prostrate from not only WW1 and it’s inability to export manufactured goods to make crushing reparations payments, suffering high unemployment, and the taunts and threats of the Comintern and the Bolshies nevertheless had to deal with an influx of not so well off Jews fleeing from the Red turmoil and reaction in Eastern Europe as well.

    And people wonder why a relative few Nazi hotheads got a bit excited on occasion.

    The bunch you mention produced more than a few openly subversive Red troublemakers in well-off USA, so one can only imagine the impact the sort had on Germany yet all we ever hear about is their victimhood which in more instances than not were most likely “embellished” as I’m sure you’re aware.

  113. @annamaria

    “There is no other way to deal with neo/ziocons but through long-term incarceration.”

    Does that mean you are opposed to capitol punishment? Hanging, shooting, lethal injection, or the electric chair would be alternatives to incarceration. Any of these methods might be used as a punishment for treason.

  114. @for-the-record

    I think that Trump is a con artist, so maybe I can dodge being an imbecile on that score.

  115. renfro says:
    @Tammy

    Anyone who thinks Trump is a fool is an imbecile himself/herself

    Whether Trump is a fool or not depends on the motives behind what he has done. Looking at his tax bill which cuts taxes on RE developers in half isn’t the work of a fool—it the work of a self serving little NY wise guy.

    What his past says about him is that he is a con and a promoter. He was a good promoter but not so hot on follow thru or long term success..

    The ‘deal maker’ has had 4 bankruptcies in his real estate biz to date—to the point where he cant get financing from any US or reputable banks. That is one reason he turned to ‘selling his brand” … iow selling the name Trump to other developers property.
    That is also why he turned to catering to rich Russians suspected of money laundering and the German Bank for ‘loans’–the bank that has already been fined this year for laundering Russian money.

    Trump and Kushner are both knee deep in the Russian and Israeli Jewish money laundering….and the both know the money keeping their business afloat is dirty.

    Remains to be seen if Mueller can get them on it.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  116. @Zumbuddi

    Neocons may have evolved from Trotskyites but first they were Levites and Levites were basically mass murderers who infiltrated the followers of Moses and, most likely, killed them before invading Canaan.

    That sounds interesting. Please elaborate.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  117. renfro says:
    @Tammy

    He beat well established politicians on both sides.

    I think I know who the fool is here

    You still don’t get it do you?

    Trump was elected out of the pure Desperation of the American people…..

    That is what the election was all about…..a grasping at any straw that had the right sound bites for a people desperate to end the political /elite corruption, neglect of the working class and run away liberalism.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Tammy
  118. Alden says:
    @annamaria

    Queens Eleanor of Aquitaine and Isabella of Castile knew what to do to them.

  119. Alden says:
    @Tammy

    Wasn’t Abu Bakr the father of Aisha who claimed to be Mohamed’s favorite wife and rival of Fatima and Ali?

    • Replies: @Tammy
  120. Zumbuddi says:
    @jacques sheete

    May have gone too far with “killed followers of Moses” but the Kill and Destroy behavior defines Levites, according to Douglas Reed.

    Look for Controversy of Zion, it’s online. First 2 or 3 chapters should give you the idea better than I could.
    Try aaargh-internatiomal.org
    Re the video about Hocaust hamburgers — the guy sets up a lie, then is furious that people are not outraged.
    Quintessential “Judahite” or Levitic behaviour, sez Reed:

    “Deuteronomy uses this doublespeak : the Lord makes the special people homeless among the heathen for their trsnsgressions; the heathen, who have no blame either for the [Judahites] exile or their transgressions, are their “persecutors”; ergo, the heathen will be destroyed.” (page 21)

    Reed’s book is devastating. Levites are not fully human, they’re monsters.

    As mentioned above, Ledeen calls himself a “proud Levite.”

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @annamaria
  121. @jacques sheete

    Jacques Sheete: “As for this old fool, I predict more of the same. Fools fooling fools who’ve put their faith in fools, ad infinitum.”

    Hi Jacques,

    Except the self-branding label “old fool,” you really tapped into a fact that’s concealed from American attention, but on the other hand, The truth’s as Orwell plainly put it, “Right in front of (the proles) nose.

    There was no point in the history of Donald Trump’s campaign to become ZUS President where Neoconservatives were entirely absent from the theatrical “Make America Great Again” stage.

    The Zionists are up front, always, Jacques. The Mossad-motto on waging war by deception is the TRUTH.

    America is definitely at war and knows not the real enemy.

    I offer a little Gore-Lieberman style parable?

    Al Gore lost and went cold in Global Warming. Joe Lieberman stayed neutral, Zio steady and almost became Trump’s FBI Director.

    ZUS Jews’ team players are free agents but the ownership franchise stays the same. “Breakups” are a no-no and happen either strategically or for public entertainment.

    An example. Thoroughbred Neocon John Bolton. Theatrically, he broke rank with the Hillary-Neocons and magically sbowed up on Team Trump. Come 2020, Bolton could dye hair & bolt to… Winfrey.

    Neocons are united and adaptable. We think elections, they think ruling.

    Cheers, Jacques!

  122. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Those neocons seem like Jews to me.

  123. Talha says:
    @Mark Green

    Thus, Israel’s tenured Hasbara brigade in US media will remain firmly in place.

    Naw – I think you’re off the mark. Nothing to see here folks…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/stevesalaita/status/950749324417404928

    Move along, move along…

    Peace.

  124. @renfro

    Renfro: “Remains to be seen if Mueller can get them on it.”

    Above, do you mean the same “Mueller” who was not permitted to get the Israelis for doing 9/11?

    Thanks, renfro.

  125. @L.K

    Goebbels should be considered a truth teller when compared to the Stalinist propagandists…

    Or the Brit & American ones for that matter…

    True, and I’d add that applies to the pre-Stalinist Red propaganda as well. It was so effective that people still parrot the (ever changing) commie rot today as if they’re spouting some sort of facts.

  126. MEexpert says:
    @Frankie P

    Could she be saying in her inaccurate way that these gentlemen are the opposite of FAKE NEWS, that they furnish us with an antidote to the poison of fake news with their courageous truth-telling.

    I saw what she wrote and got the exact meaning she was trying to convey. I think no body in their right mind will ever accuse Unz, Giraldi, or Roberts of spreading “Fake News.” Tammy needs to be given a little slack.

  127. @Zumbuddi

    Reed’s book is devastating. Levites are not fully human, they’re monsters.

    As mentioned above, Ledeen calls himself a “proud Levite.”

    Thanks! I’ve determined on my own, from the evidence apparent during the past couple of decades alone, that we’re dealing with some unimaginably perverted monsters, so it pleases me to read that there are others who think the same but with undoubtedly better knowledge.

    I intend to investigate this after I finish a couple of books.

    Thank you so much.

    • Replies: @Druid
  128. @RobinG

    This shows how important it is to keep sharing information. A few Unz regulars hammer away relentlessly on their chosen themes. Tiresome, but how else to keep facts from disappearing?

    If that ain’t the truth.

    I myself have a few themes that I find I have to repeat on virtually every thread. It does get tiresome, but it’s as if each and every single propaganda spouter has to be introduced to reality individually. I cringe every time I see the need, but what else can one do, as you note.

    Nice to see that some folks bear with the tiresome repetition.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  129. MEexpert says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    What brand is your family hashish? Afghan, Morrocan? Hm. Wish I could crusade-on-over to your house while the hash pipe is passed around.
    At any rate, the people you mention above are not Moslems.

    Chuck, I am surprised at you. Tammy didn’t say anything to deserve those comments. She never said they were Muslims. You must have been having a bad day.

    How can anyone anticipate either a secular/reform/Orthodox Jew, a Christian, or an agnostic to tell the (political) “TRUTH” according to Prophet Mohammed?

    Where did you get this statement from and what does it really mean? Are you implying that the prophet said that these people are incapable of telling truth? If you are, could you please give us a source.

    Tammy’s English may not be prefect but she does a good job of articulating her thoughts. Perhaps you should cut her some slack.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  130. @jacques sheete

    Maybe Mr. Unz could provide a pinup board where oft-repeated themes are posted so that they don’t have to be repeated?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  131. Tammy says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    ChuckOrloski says, ” Nevertheless, I really miss appearances of “Rehmat’s World” here.”

    Rehmat is another good Shia, like MExpert and I. It seems that you hate Shia people, because they speak the TRUTH.

    I am worried about him. I fear something might have happened to him as he has not updated his site for a very long time now. He used to almost update it daily.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Rurik
  132. Tammy says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Michael Kenny says, Does Mr Giraldi really expect us to believe that the US internet is any better than the media outlets he criticizes? The whole US media scene can be summed up as “don’t believe their pack of lies. Believe my pack of lies”!

    Well said! You took the words out of my mouth.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  133. Tammy says:
    @rufus

    rufus says, Right tammy. Because if trumpy were a fool (just hypothetically of course) then we might be obliged to start wondering if some other group might be responsible for determining our presidential candidates.

    Touché. American thinks they are really voting for someone to be the President!

  134. Tammy says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert says, “There is a need to separate Original Islam from Political Islam. American need to understand this difference.”

    This is what I meant. Convincing the right people like Ron Unz is your job. You and I, we both write together, and it would be nice if Ron Unz or Philip Giraldi will edit, verify and print it in their names.

    Actually, there was a similar article on Saker’s blog, written by a Sunni Arab, I believe he was from Egypt. Of course, the Sunni Anwar Khan who is from Pakistan and now resides in Jordan too objection to it. He is a good friend of Chuckwood as he can’t get enough of him!

  135. wayfarer says:

    Man is a religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the true religion, several of them. – Mark Twain

    Why Do People Kill in the Name of Religion?

  136. Tammy says:
    @Wally

    Wally says, “But the real issue is that NK has engaged Iran, and NK has the bomb, so ….

    And parasitical Israel does not want anything like equal footing in the ME.

    http://www.codoh.com”

    Thank you Wally and keep up the good work. God bless you…

  137. Tammy says:
    @Frankie P

    Frankie P says, “Why did you use quotation marks on something that she did not write?”

    Thank you for calling out Chuckwood for lying, intentionally misrepresenting what I have written above. This is not the first time he has done as such.

    To tell TRUTH is difficult for many of us. Only children or who have lost their minds, call out the TRUTH as in “Naked King”.

    The coin has two side, reminds me “Brave New World”, where the same doctor leading both side, the the bad side and ‘the good side.

    If someone had checked my link regarding on Antiwar.com regarding Justin Raimondo, he is also not interested to tell the TRUTH. He is only interest:

    While it may be in bad taste to say I told you so, that never stopped me before, did it?

  138. Tammy says:
    @jacques sheete

    jacques sheete says, Hi Tammy, even though you just called me an imbecile, I still luv ya! However you based your conclusion on faulty reasoning…:

    Those herds of low life scumballs were ripe for a beating and more, but his beating them has nothing to do with him not being a fool, I’d say.

    No JS, I will never call you or anyone fool. It was rhetoric! I love you too much to call you names.

    I see that Chuckwood has already replied to you along the same lines, but he has missed the boat to. I have a dentist appointment now, when I will back, I will try to reply some more. Maybe, all those drugs the dentist will give me I will be in a good mood, and I don’t have to toke on my hashish which I am saving for my good friend Chuckwood.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  139. Tammy says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert says, Chuck, I am surprised at you. Tammy didn’t say anything to deserve those comments. She never said they were Muslims. You must have been having a bad day.

    Where did you get this statement from and what does it really mean? Are you implying that the prophet said that these people are incapable of telling truth? If you are, could you please give us a source.

    Yes, you are the second person calling on Chuckwood for intentionally misquoting me. I have found him not to be very honest in the honesty department…..

  140. @Charles Pewitt

    Until the bit on appealing to White American patriots, I could hardly guess you were a White supremacist. The imagined European Christian ancestral core of the US further confirms that status. Only certified, ignorant supremacists have perspectives in which history begins and ends with themselveS. Only them.

  141. renfro says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Does Mr Giraldi really expect us to believe that the US internet is any better than the media outlets he criticizes?

    The internet unfortunately is not a magic carpet that automatically takes you straight to the truth.
    As the fairy tale goes ..you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find the handsome prince.
    Meaning you have to know or learn where to look.

    Where it concerns history and events, if you dig deep enough into governments archives and other archives you can find official documents and first person accounts on almost everything, even scripts by ancient writers—- compare that information to the ‘rewriting’ of history and events by todays propagandist and pseudo intellectuals,,,,and viola!…you will be as close to the truth as possible.

    Its very time consuming however, I estimate that whatever info I past on in my comments come about 60% of the time from info found in my 16 years of using the net as a deep research organ and not just for news.

    I noticed years ago that goggle stared burying the real and best sources though under 250,000 hits of bullshit so its harder now to get to real sources.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  142. RobinG says:
    @Tammy

    ….words out of [Tammy's] mouth…..
    “don’t believe their pack of lies. Believe my pack of lies”!

    We’ll keep that in mind.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  143. @renfro

    I have a two part response here.

    Interventionists stay in power because they have ideologies that are linked to other initiatives that the powerful adhere to —- so much so being wrong is just a feature. Ever mindful of the circular ruse . . .

    The neoconservative strategy is a nobel grand design, it’s just too big and demands a morality that water carriers can neither justify or sustain.

    Side note: The public did a very good job of beating the war drums for needless interventions despite the lack of evidence any HS graduate should have questioned. Now is the entire public on board intervention “evil”? No. And it doesn’t matter. Until we begin rejecting the policies — the nature of those advancing them don’t matter or at least matters less than the policy proffered.

    Personal motivation is secondary to ineffective policy.

  144. sarz says:
    @Anon-og

    At the beginning of her career Oprah had on a young Jewish woman who talked about the ritual sacrifice and cannibalism of babies birthed for the purpose, among the outwardly respectable people of her own community including her relatives. She mentioned this had been going on for centuries.

    There followed a hue and cry and all the Jews who reacted pushed for a cover up. One wonders where were all the good Jews one keeps being assured about. Oprah made the most of it, and there’s been no looking back.

    Visiting the outwardly well-behaved Chabad family on her recent trip to Brooklyn, surely the thought of Judaic satanism must have crossed her mind. I look forward to people discussing her thoughts on how to make sure America is not further undermined by hidden satanists. Given her recorded past she can’t very easily push the topic under the rug.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  145. Tammy says:
    @Wally

    Wally says, And the alternative was Hillary.

    I’ll take Trump any day, flaws and all.

    Well said!

  146. Tammy says:
    @RobinG

    RobinG says, We’ll keep that in mind.

    Yes, indeed!

  147. Tammy says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman say, “The Moslems with their pedophile-Prophet and Sharia bullshit are not the kind we need ANY of in America.

    Oh, is that your real name, Tammy?

    YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH, El-TAMMY!

    Son, YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH? Put your money where your mouth is. Yes, my name is not Tammy and is your name, Mohammad?

    Achmed is another name for Mohammad?

    If you mean that Prophet married Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage to her when she was nine, then please bring your proof. If you can’t then you loose all your credibility?

    Bring your proof or forever loose credibility?

  148. Tammy says:
    @anonymous

    anonymous says, “At the time it was a culture which allowed for such holy matrimonies. The key point many of the cursed souls like you do not wish to acknowledge is that Aisha(ra) was the embodiment of her name, the Living… deeply in love with her husband (and he with her), and a leading authority of his life and rulings. Basically, not a person who seemed violated in any way.”

    BULLSHIT!

    Bring one Hearsay, even one authenticated or unauthenticated Hearsay by your Sunni Source where the Prophet Mohammad (saws) said, that he married Aisha when she six and he consummated the marriage to her when she was nine. One authenticated or unauthenticated Hearsay.

    BULLSHIT!

    Do you know what Hadith(s) mean?

    It means what the Prophet said. Not someone signing their own songs, this is not Hadith.

    I am not sure as a Muslim you have read the Holy Quran, but the Quran indisputably says that Aisha is a liar.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  149. Tammy says:
    @renfro

    renfro says, “I think I know who the fool is here

    You still don’t get it do you?

    Trump was elected out of the pure Desperation of the American people…..”

    No wonder USA is in a sad state it is today.

    Do you really believe that Trump won the Electoral College?

    Please keep on voting every election and make your choice.

    In the Blue Corner, we have Hellary the Goldwater Girl, even satan cringes when he hears her name. In the Red Corner, we have…..

    Take your pick……

    Of course, you have a choice and who said that you don’t!

    I have some excellent land in Florida for sale.

    • Replies: @renfro
  150. Tammy says:
    @anonymous

    anonymous says, “deeply in love with her husband (and he with her), and a leading authority of his life and rulings.”

    I always thought as a Muslim that Allah was the leading authority on Prophet’s life and Prophet’s rulings. Now I know, it is a six years old baby girl….. Hallelujah….

    Since, you are so called, Muslim then I should properly write Hallelujah as Allelujah….

    Thank for putting me on the “Straight Path”….

  151. Realist says:
    @Tammy

    “Trump is no fool. He beat well established politicians on both sides, first the Republicans and then the Democratic Chicago Girl (Barry Goldwater) without any political experience to become POTUS.”

    The lesser fool argument .

    Today trump agreed with Feinstein, during a meeting that the DACA bill should be a ‘clean bill’
    apparently not knowing what a ‘clean bill’ means. someone had to explain to this dumb son of a bitch what it meant

  152. Tammy says:
    @Alden

    Alden says, “Wasn’t Abu Bakr the father of Aisha who claimed to be Mohamed’s favorite wife and rival of Fatima and Ali?”

    Yes, Aisha is the daughter of the first Caliph abu Bakr. According to Aisha, she is the favorite wife of the Prophet (saws) and her father is the favorite man….

    She like to sing her own songs, though the Holy Quran calls her liar.

    • Replies: @Druid
  153. annamaria says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Ledeen was educated at Gladio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
    “Operation Gladio is the codename for a clandestine NATO “stay-behind” operation in Italy during the Cold War. http://agentofinfluence.typepad.com/files/operation-gladio_natos-stay-behind-army_wikipedia-entry.pdf
    “Testimonies collected by the two men [judges Felice Casson and Carlo Mastelloni investigating the 1972 Peteano fascist car bomb] and by the Commission on Terrorism on Rome, and inquiries by the Guardian, indicate links between Gladio, Italian secret services bosses and the notorious P2 masonic lodge are manifold….
    On November 22, 1990, the European Parliament passed a resolution condemning Gladio, requesting full investigations – which have yet to be done – and total dismantlement of these paramilitary structures. In 2005,the first academic examination of Gladio was published by Swiss historian Daniele Ganser. Mr. Ganser, as of 2010, is a Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies at the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. His book, NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe, is a documented study of how Gladio oeprated.”

    Ledeen and neo-fascists: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=operation_gladio_1
    “American neoconservative Michael Ledeen, who has long if murky connections with both US and Italian intelligence agencies, was a part of two major international disinformation operations in conjunction with P-2 and SISMI, the Italian military intelligence agency. Propaganda Due,” or P-2, an informal, parallel Secret Service in Italy led by neofascist and Freemason Licio Gelli, is banned by the Italian Parliament, though the organization continues to function. (Gelli is expelled from the Masons the same year as P-2 is banned.) P-2 members swear to have their throats slit and tongues cut out rather than break their oaths of secrecy and loyalty. Author Craig Unger characterizes the organization as “subversive, authoritarian, and right-wing.” It was sometimes called the “P-2 Masonic Lodge” because of its ties to the Freemasons. It served as a covert intelligence agency for militant anticommunists. It was also linked to Operation Gladio, a secret paramilitary wing of NATO that supported far-right military coups in Greece and Turkey during the Cold War. P-2 is banned by the Italian Parliament after an investigation found that it had infiltrated the highest levels of Italy’s judiciary, parliament, military, and press, and was linked to assassinations, kidnappings, and illicit arms deals around the world. The critical event was the murder of Freemason and bank president Roberto Calvi, who was found hanging from a bridge in London; the investigation found that P-2 may have been involved in Calvi’s murder.”
    More: http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=Ledeen&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go
    “In 1985, a Wall Street Journal investigation will find that “Billygate” is an orchestrated attempt by Ledeen and SISMI to throw the election to Reagan. Ledeen, who used SISMI sources to unearth financial information on Billy Carter [bother of President Carter], was himself paid $120,000 by SISMI for “Billygate” and other projects. Ledeen has a code name, Z-3, and is paid through a Bermuda bank account. Ledeen will later admit that his consulting firm, ISI, may have accepted SISMI money, and will claim he can’t remember if he has a coded identity.”

    Wikipedia is streniously trying to whitewath the terrorist organization Gladio.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  154. annamaria says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The supposed Jewish “progressives” like Chomsky cannot help themselves but to stand with the Lobby in promoting and supporting the ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East. The tribal solidarity beats human decency and truth and makes all Israel-firsters into propagandists for Yinon Plan (on the US dime & limb, of course). https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-empires-lefty-intellectuals-call-for-regime-change-the-role-of-progressives-and-the-antiwar-movement/5625333
    “Noam Chomsky in an April 5 2017 interview with “Democracy Now” favors “regime change”, intimating that a negotiated “removal” of Bashar al Assad could lead to a peaceful settlement. According to Chomsky: “The Assad regime is a moral disgrace. They’re carrying out horrendous acts, the Russians with them.” Strong statement with no supporting evidence and documentation provided.
    And then Chomsky promotes a ziocon lie about Assad’ “chemical attack.”
    Lets’ recapitulate: the morally disgraceful Chomsky stands with ZUSA by cheerleading the horrendous acts of mass murder of civilians of all ages in Syria. Why? — Because Israel is First, always First for the tribalists. This treasonous lot hates viscerally their Arab cousins, to the detriment of western civilization

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  155. For you Hebrew haters rest assured that they won’t get away with anything they are doing while they live in rebellion against God. Every Hebrew who has died in the last 2000 years without Christ as their Savior has been burning in Hell (that includes every adult Hebrew who died in the Holocaust ala Anne Frank). God told them twice via Moses and once via Joshua and countless other times in the OT what He would do to the Hebrews who rejected His reign. And by the time He comes back to straighten out the Hebrew, God promised to wipe out 2/3rds of them as the effect of house cleaning; and they will never again be these filthy monsters that plague the earth.

    Zechariah 13:8-9
    And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
    And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @mr meener
  156. annamaria says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “The neoconservative strategy is a noble grand design, it’s just too big and demands a morality that water carriers can neither justify or sustain.”
    — How about a fat check for promoting weaponry sales through more wars, preferably the wars for getting (stealing) more various natural resources (oil, water) and land? There is not a whiff of noble thinking in this — just pedestrian profiteering and the psychopathic joy. And the profiteers they are, whether the open neo/ziocon (see above pics of the profiteering pigs) or the sweet-talking apologists of war crimes like Chomsky.
    The US (prodded by the Lobby) has been conducting genocide in the Middle East. The real one. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394
    “Total deaths from Western interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan since the 1990s – from direct killings and the longer-term impact of war-imposed deprivation – likely constitute around 4 million (2 million in Iraq from 1991-2003, plus 2 million from the “war on terror”), and could be as high as 6-8 million people when accounting for higher avoidable death estimates in Afghanistan. Such figures could well be too high, but will never know for sure. US and UK armed forces, as a matter of policy, refuse to keep track of the civilian death toll of military operations - they are an irrelevant inconvenience.
    Due to the severe lack of data in Iraq, almost complete non-existence of records in Afghanistan, and the indifference of Western governments to civilian deaths, it is literally impossible to determine the true extent of loss of life. In the absence of even the possibility of corroboration, these figures provide plausible estimates based on applying standard statistical methodology to the best, if scarce, evidence available. They give an indication of the scale of the destruction, if not the precise detail.”

    • Replies: @Art
    , @EliteCommInc.
  157. @Cloak And Dagger

    Maybe Mr. Unz could provide a pinup board where oft-repeated themes are posted so that they don’t have to be repeated?

    I don’t know what works with deeply brainwashed people. Probably nothing.

    Thomas Paine said that time convinces more than reason. My hunch is that people have to be in a given situation themselves to give a damn and even then they’re not likely to face facts.

    Besides, not only are the facts available and fairly easily obtained, but few seem to access them and connect the dots so I’m not sure a pinup board would be used as a reference. A very fine source of info is Mr Unz’ site, UNZ.org which apparently in quite underused; the point being that people seem to prefer spoon fed slop to anything that requires even a hint of mental expenditure.

  158. Zumbuddi says:
    @annamaria

    The War Party
    BBC Panorama. video. YouTube

    Ledeen was ideological leader in getting USA in Iraq war.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @mr meener
  159. @Tammy

    No JS, I will never call you or anyone fool. It was rhetoric! I love you too much to call you names.

    Well, I call all politicians fools if they think they can work within political systems to effect much good for the masses. In fact, their net effect is always negative in the long run, a few roads and bridges (crumbs) notwithstanding.

    People are fools for trusting them as well.

    That’s not name calling; that’s speaking the truth.

  160. @renfro

    I noticed years ago that goggle stared burying the real and best sources though under 250,000 hits of bullshit so its harder now to get to real sources.

    True, and it’s now so bad that I hesitate to “publish” my best sources since I suspect sites like this are trolled for such info so it can subsequently be buried by various means.

    I also spread what I find as far and wide as possible in the hope that at least a few seeds will germinate.

  161. iffen says:
    @Tammy

    I am worried about him. I fear something might have happened to him

    Tammy, I assume that you will share the news, good or bad (depending upon one’s POV). Also, some of the animal lovers here are very concerned about his goat, so if you can find out about it as well that would be a bonus.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  162. mr meener says:
    @ThereisaGod

    all modern “conservatives” are big govt commies and would not have been allowed in the liberal wing of the democrats 60 years ago for being to liberal. the cowardly right wing worships cops loves the multitrillion dollar police spying state spending trillions fighting israels wars and are rally for open borders being EVERY neo con is for open borders for non whites only being they are either jews or owned by them. perfect example is the neo con demonic duo mc cain and miss Lindsay graham

  163. @sarz

    Like Oprah said, it really is hard to actually understand or even believe that such things could occur (or that people could even make it up). While the specific topic addressed in the vid is news to me, I’ve likewise often been astonished at the perversions engaged in by people in power and the lengths they’ll go to pervert the truth.

    It’s pretty clear that there is some evil crap going on out there.

  164. mr meener says:
    @Mark Green

    mark green beautiful post. I know it could never happen but I wish you had a platform where the country could hear you

    • Agree: Rurik
  165. wayfarer says:

    Rothschild Zionist Israel, eagerly remodeling the Middle East, as their social-engineers design Muslim refugee resettlement and multicultural enrichment programs for the Western world.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

  166. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    A few Unz regulars hammer away relentlessly on their chosen themes.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it…

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  167. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    “very concerned about his goat . . .”

    You mean iffen, Rehmat’s goat? I heard from a nurse friend that iffen’s proctologist is using iffen in a repetitive motion study.

  168. There seems to be a sad paucity of hasbara trolls here.

    That’s too bad since refuting their endlessly repeated lies appears to be a decent means of revealing and disseminating the truth.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  169. Zumbuddi says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    Why use the word “hater”? Makes you sound like Deborah Lipstadt.

    As for Hebrews going to hell for their sins, @ #1, Nosey the Duke suggested a way to be God’s little helper.
    Win – win.

  170. @Philip Giraldi

    Phil:
    Thank you for responding…
    Respect is greatly respected.

    I know that you have spoken out on this issue, perhaps more than ANYBODY else.
    I am grateful that you and other courageous people like you continue to convey relevant fact-based news.
    Perhaps this is a philosophical point… but perhaps not.

    By repeating this false reference, you are necessarily reinforcing it, and whether you acknowledge it or not, you are endorsing it.

    As you know, the seizure of this place by the international gangster collective is outrageous.

    I don’t understand why you wouldn’t reference the zionist political entity occupying the Palestinian lands in city format with “Tel Aviv”? (which I know is as illegal as Al-Quds)

    The question is, where is the line drawn?

    Referencing Al-Quds (Jer) as the nationally representative city for the Zionist movement is over the line, don’t you agree?

  171. annamaria says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Ledeen was in charge of Iraq-war forgeries’ creation and propaganda — see the stories of the infamous “aluminum tubes and yellow cakes”: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2005/10/19/niger-uranium-forgery-mystery-solved/
    “According to a source in the Italian embassy, Patrick J. “Bulldog” Fitzgerald asked for and “has finally been given a full copy of the Italian parliamentary oversight report on the forged Niger uranium document. Previous versions of the report were redacted and had all the names removed, though it was possible to guess who was involved. This version names Michael Ledeen as the conduit for the report and indicates that former CIA officers Duane Clarridge and Alan Wolf were the principal forgers. All three had business interests with Chalabi.” … both Clarridge and Wolf were close to Ledeen…”

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/.m/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/05/loops-of-lies-/comments/

    “The whole Niger affair ran through Michael Ledeen, at that time adviser to Karl Rove and Dough Feith and an Israeli spy. He had intensive contacts with SISME and he knew Rocco Martino who peddled the false Niger docs.” https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/07/27/17563921.php

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/07/22/132717/-Niger-Yellowcake-and-The-Man-Who-Forged-Too-Much

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×4132906

    – The MOSSAD fingerprints are everywhere

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  172. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will come to believe it.”

    Hmmm

    Goebbels repeated “lies” for about 12 years.

    Jews have been pedalling whoppers for over 100 years and punishing anyone who proves the whoppers are lies.

    SO who gets the Golden Globe for lying?

    What LIE has come to be believed?

    What’s the cost to humanity for building policy on lies?

  173. mr meener says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    why don’t you take that bible puke and shove it. there aint no god only ythe devil that is why the satanic jews never lose. how could a god preside over billions of people for millions of years suffering being tortured genocided sold into slavery etc etc. this is the devils world. I have never saw proof of any god only satan

  174. mr meener says:
    @Zumbuddi

    leeden the US into hell to join the satanic israelis

  175. @Buck Turgidson

    Do you really think Bolton could be any worse than Haley’s comet?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  176. @wayfarer

    ” Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. ”

    Depends entirely on who owns the press.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  177. MEexpert says:
    @anonymous

    I normally don’t reply to anonymous people once I learned what the “disclaimer” meant. I try to avoid these types of discussions but but this was too much to pass. Record must be set straight.

    At the time it was a culture which allowed for such holy matrimonies. The key point many of the cursed souls like you do not wish to acknowledge is that Aisha(ra) was the embodiment of her name, the Living… deeply in love with her husband (and he with her), and a leading authority of his life and rulings. Basically, not a person who seemed violated in any way.

    Yes it may have been the culture at that time. Remember, they also used to bury their female newborns alive. The Prophet came to change that culture.

    Do you also remember that the Prophet married Khadijah first and she was his only wife for a long time. After that he married nine wives, with Aisha being one of those nine. Once Aisha was bad mouting Khadijah and the Prophet admonished her and told her sternly not to ever do that in fornt of him again (narrated by Aisha-Bukhari). So much for his love for Aisha.

    As for her age when she married the Prophet, the only source is she which makes it doubtful. There has been a concerted effort to lower the status of Khadijah by making her old (age 40) and Aisha a baby (age 9) at the time of their marriage. Tammy gave you one reference but there are many more in the Sunni books, other than Bukhari and Muslim, that show that neither Khadijah was 40 years old at the time of her marriage nor Aisha was a 9 year old at the time of her marriage.

    deeply in love with her husband (and he with her), and a leading authority of his life and rulings.

    “a leading authority on his life and rulings.” You must be joking. LOL. Who could be a bigger authority than Imam Ali, who was with the Prophet all the time, from his (Ali’s) birth till the Prophet’s death?

    • Replies: @Tammy
  178. MEexpert says:
    @Carroll Price

    Yes. As I have said before, Bolton is venomous.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  179. @EliteCommInc.

    The neoconservative strategy is a nobel grand design

    Is this a Freudian typo? Their “design” sure as hell doesn’t seem noble to me but very-very explosive and, as is the case with most neocons, a figment of incompetent imagination. Neoconservatism is very intellectually sterile, one of the reasons for that sterility being the fact that it was developed by people who have no grasp of serious military-strategic issues. It is also, as many modern political ideologies which either originated or matured in the US, very a-historical, to the point of a direct falsification. It also attaches well to a classic American Messianic world-view. In fact, it is a marriage made in hell. Per “strategy”–they suck at it precisely for being utterly illiterate on military issues.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  180. @annamaria

    I do love Tet. but he does not have enough of bandwidth.
    Concerning this Steele hogwash is that Trump hired some Russian prostitutes to pee on the bed where Obama and Michel slept. Now Mueller with his cohorts are somehow trying to prove that this is the reason by which Russians are blackmailing and controlling Trump and so his presidency is illegal and unsustainable.
    We do not know if Trump did this is true or lie. I do tend to believe that this is a lie. Trump could do this only if Trump was drunk. But then Trump never drinks.
    But even if this was a truth it is impossible to prove unless listening device in the room was working and Steele has a copy of the record.
    So it is only chasing of the ghost.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  181. @Frankie P

    Frankie, you say you are curious, but then you haven’t read my 4-part posts about this. Could you read them and get back to me? I promise that it’s pretty fun reading.

    … it is a model of fairness and government taking care of its people, not its oligarchs.

    With all respect, government NEVER equals fairness. Government takes via threat of force. If you had utopian fairness, each would receive exactly what he deserves via voluntary transactions. We can’t have that, but the free market is the next closest thing.

    (Don’t get me wrong, I am sure the Taiwanese government people care a lot more about the subjects of Taiwan than the people in power in America care about Americans. So, I get this point of yours.)

    I keep wanting to paste parts of my blog to answer your points, but just read and get back to me, if you want to argue on this. It works pretty damn well in China, due to lack of government involvement, lack of lawyers, and the natural ability of the Chinese to drive a hard bargain. I was there, Frankie.

  182. @sarz

    Young man, I appreciate the wild-eyed optimism … but you are full of shit. Do you understand how much money $20,000,000,000,000. is? (oops, sorry there may be $2,000,000,000,000 more by now, pardon my error).

    It’s something like $200,000 per actual (not form-filling-out) taxpayer family in the US. You can’t make that back up, and you can NOT blow this debt off without the dollar being defaulted on or hyperinflation happening. Both of those results mean that people lose all their meager savings. That gets people very, very, angry. They don’t get angry now when it gets taken away bit by bit via 5% (actual) annual inflation, because most are not bright enough to understand. Those types should read more Zerohedge, Lew Rockwell, or Ron Paul.

    Mr. Sarz, you have not read enough apparently to understand Dr. Paul’s explanations on the FED, soveriegn money, competing currencies or any of that. READ MORE and PROSPER (or not).

    PS. If President Trump “moves” on the FED, as in actually gets it eliminated, I will send you some real money, a silver dollar. He is probably too afraid to start that, as, though I like the guy’s spunk, he doesn’t have the courage and brainpower of Ron Paul, and I’d worry for anyone’s life who challenged the powerful big bankers.

  183. @Tammy

    No, that’s just my handle on Unz, El-Tammeh. I am no Moslem and want none of that crap. Even the method of prayer has me stumped. Were I to join the cult, I mean faith, should I be a “true” Moslem or a “magnetic” Moslem, a Euclidean or a non-Euclidean Moslem? Wars start over less that that. (More here.)

  184. @anonymous

    I have to say, your Islamophobia is very strong.

    It’s not a phobia, as I am not scared of people from this cult you call a religion. I wish there was another Greek term, as phobia is not the opposite of “philia”, meaning, “to like”. In my own terminology, I am probably more of an Islamo-tiredofyousickfucks-ist, but that doesn’t roll off the tongue like I had intended it to.

    • Replies: @Art
  185. @iffen

    Hahaaa! I am pissed, actually, Iffen, as that should have been my comment! I missed the whole goat angle in my replies.

    Yeah, I think starting up as Shia vs. Sunni cage match on-line argument here is too much for even Ron Unz. Yes, it’s controversial, but NO, nobody else gives a damn about these towel-heads.

    In this corner, wearing the red-checkered “romantic-Italian restaurant”-style towels, from Mecca, the most well-renouned shithole in all of the Arabian peninsula, are the Sunnis! [APPLAUSE]. In this corner, wearing the striped pastel towels, bought at an outlet mall in Miami, from the 2nd-biggest shithole in all the Middle East and North Africa, are the Shites! [APPLAUSE]. May the best men win all of you idiots kill each other.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  186. This thread if filled by enormous amount of dumb comments. So- why not out-dumb them all?

    I got such grand delusional theorists that will put all the conspiratorial wackos to shame. Eat this:

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/08/08/11-ancient-african-writing-systems-demolish-myth-black-people-illiterate/

    However, Africa has the world’s oldest and largest collection of ancient writing systems. The evidence dates to prehistoric times and can be found in multiple regions of the continent.

    By contrast, continental Europe’s oldest writing, Greek, was not fully in use until c. 1400 B.C. (a clay tablet found in Iklaina, Greece) and is largely derived from an older African script.

    The oldest Asian writing, proto-cuneiform, dates to around 3000 B.C. (clay texts found at Jemdet Nasr). However, the oldest known African writing systems are several centuries older.

    Dr. Clyde Winters, author of The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia, wrote that before the rise of the Egyptians and Sumerians there was a wonderful civilization in the fertile African Sahara, where people developed perhaps the world’s oldest known form of writing.

    http://realhistoryww.com/

    http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Americas/Pre_America.htm

    Just In – Latest Study:
    Blacks settled the Americas BEFORE 130,000 B.C.

    http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire.htm
    Germany – History of the Black Holy Roman Empire:

    http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Minoan_Greece_1.htm

    Ancient Man and His First Civilizations
    The Minoan’s, Cypriot’s, Cyclades Islanders, and Greece

    We wuz Kangz!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  187. wayfarer says:
    @Carroll Price

    Depends entirely on who owns the press.

    … or who designs biased search engine algorithms, which enfold the world-wide-web’s most valuable knowledge.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

  188. Art says:
    @annamaria

    “Total deaths from Western interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan since the 1990s – from direct killings and the longer-term impact of war-imposed deprivation – likely constitute around 4 million (2 million in Iraq from 1991-2003, plus 2 million from the “war on terror”)

    annamaria,

    Who are the bastards who did 9/11 – they are responsible for all this.

    Trump must re-investigate 9/11.

    Then we can get on with being a good country.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @renfro
  189. @annamaria

    I think you should read my comment again and think carefully what I said rated to your response.

    Despite the volume of numerical data (which I might have challenged for hyperbole) it is just not relevant to my position.

  190. Art says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In my own terminology, I am probably more of an Islamo-tiredofyousickfucks-ist, but that doesn’t roll off the tongue like I had intended it to.

    Oh dear’ – Hasbara Central has called in the hotheads. (The largest employer in Israel.)

    Hate hate hate – push hate for Muslims – kill Muslims – divert attention from the Jews.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. All US generals support Israel. The generals say they can kill their way to peace.

    p.s. Is there a day in the last 17 years we have not killed a Muslim?

    p.s. Will Muslims stop killing us, if we stop killing them?

    p.s. Why not try it – it is not going so good right now.

    • Agree: renfro
  191. renfro says:
    @Wally

    You can’t see the forest for the trees.

    And that is what happens when you have ‘pet issues’ you agree with someone on but don’t look at what else he is doing.

    I didn’t vote. So I am free to see the warts on both of them.

  192. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Until we begin rejecting the policies — the nature of those advancing them don’t matter or at least matters less than the policy proffered.

    That is nonsensical.

    The policies come from the nature of those promoting them……the policies aren’t created by some non human logic app.

    Why waste your time rejecting policies over and over and over and over and over—-just get rid of the bad policy makers.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  193. renfro says:
    @Art

    Who are the bastards who did 9/11 – they are responsible for all this

    The old fashion detective would ask first—who benefited from it?

  194. It seems to me that the best way to prepare for nuclear explosion would be to
    imprison those who’ve taken course to nuclear explosion (whether in the form of
    a false-flag or the real one).
    Not a bad idea would be also to “take care” of those who’ve been spraying millions
    of people like rats with heavy cocktails of metals, fungi and viruses for quite a while
    already.
    Unfortunately, most people act exactly as the satanic criminal elite want them to act
    – they keep their mouths shut. And if people are silent even when their air is being
    poisoned one can be sure they will rather start preparing for nuclear explosion than
    open their mouths and say “Why?” and “In whose interest?” , let alone “Go … … !”.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  195. MEexpert says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey Achmed and iffen or whatever your name is, Do know who Jacob was? You are his children. His name was Israel and you are called children of Israel, “the chosen ones.” Ha Ha ha! Do you also know what he is famous for, according to your own book? He STOLE his brother’s “birth rights,” and since then that is all you have been doing. Stealing other people’s money, their land, their secrets (Pollard, Franklin, and Rosenbergs) and every thing else you can put your hands on. You are nothing but a tribe of thieves represented by the greatest modern-day thief of them all -Netanyahu. I can name a few others but you get the message.

  196. @MEexpert

    MEexpert to Carrol Price: “As I have said before, Bolton is venomous.”

    Hi MEexpert,

    Below is a VT article which discussed the Granddaddy of all post-JFK administration Zio (incarnate) “venom” carriers which may interest you.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/01/09/henry-kissinger-its-a-war-between-the-jews-and-the-non-jews/

    Post scriptum: From one of the four gospels, Jesus Christ is described as having taught, “It’s not so much what goes into a person’s mouth that kills, but what comes out of a person’s mouth.” Hm. Henry Kissinger is known to speak-from-hip without much restraint and his words adopted as ZUS government policy have led to mass murder.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  197. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    In your comments I don’t see a reference to what the design is. Perhaps, you are mistaking strategy for intent And you may be mistaking effectiveness for strategy.

    Or maybe there’s a question you want to ask me. Pergaps by what is meant in my view of what I think the noble grand design is.

  198. @renfro

    It doesn’t matter is the devil is evil. What matters is that I reject his admonitions to behavior. I don’t have any doubt that some interventionists might be evil — very possible.

    I am not sure you understand the current political environment. Our current admin is actually adopting policies of interventionists —-

    the point of this article and so many others is that despite making claim to rejecting said policies, the current admin is in reality adopting them. Whether he is doing so willingly or by deception is a question of debate. But the fact is, policies he claimed he would reject seem increasingly part of his admin.

    And the supposed “never trump” crew is getting their way despite their supposed character flaws. Most of them are not in his cabinet, the trick is always to defy the devil even when he is in the room.

    Point — the policies have not been rejected, they are getting co=opted.

  199. The photo preceding the article sums it up – different president, same neocon advisors.

  200. Rurik says:
    @Tammy

    Rehmat is another good Shia,

    doormat had some good info, but alas he was a rabid dog of Islam demanding the death of the West- where the kind-hearted Western people had given him succor and opened their societies to his ungrateful brand of hatred.

    if all Muslims were like doormat.. well, let’s just be grateful they all aren’t

    • Replies: @Tammy
  201. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    You are his children.

    That’s not my tribe. My main tribe is Bani Roosteri Scotti with a big touch of Bani Germania mixed in.

    My new bumper sticker arrived today: Kill’em All, Let Allah Sort’em Out.

    Which is a good solution to your Shia/Sunni constipation.

  202. MEexpert says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    “It’s not so much what goes into a person’s mouth that kills, but what comes out of a person’s mouth.”

    How true!

    Read the article. There is nothing much to disagree with. Kissinger has literally gotten away with murder and still is. Why would anyone go to him for advice is beyond me? There is not a single politician brave enough to take off the Israeli albatross from America’s neck. Until that is done neither the world will be safe nor America will be great again.

  203. @Wally

    Good point Wally, but the truth is that Iran, regardless of the sanctions, could have had the bomb a long time ago if they actually wanted one, which they don’t. A fact that Israel correctly assumes most American are too stupid to figure out.

    • Agree: Zumbuddi
  204. @MEexpert

    None of that’s my concern, expert. My concern is the (formerly) United States of America.

  205. @MEexpert

    oops, and I noticed that I spelled “renowned” wrong. Apologies for that.

  206. annamaria says:
    @AB_Anonymous

    “…the best way to prepare for nuclear explosion would be to imprison those who’ve taken course to nuclear explosion (whether in the form of a false-flag or the real one).”
    — Agree.
    Meanwhile, another decent human being is dead: “Software engineer James Dolan took his own life nearly five years to the day after the death of “SecureDrop” co-creator and Reddit co-founder Aaron Swartz. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-10/second-developer-wikileaks-inspired-securedrop-commits-suicide-36
    When will the progeny of the most harmful psychopaths — the Bushes, Cheneys, Blairs, Kristols, Wolfowitz and such — begin taking their lives out of shame for the murderous deeds of their parents? Thank god Coni Rice the Mechanical Piano is barren. The high-functioning psychopaths have become a real danger to humanity. Time to develop a proper test to identify and monitor the genetically-predisposed mass murderers.

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  207. bjondo says:

    neo con, trotsky, commie, welfare bums, straussians,
    all mean same
    jew for israel
    with neo pets
    to use as see fit

  208. @Art

    p.s. Is there a day in the last 17 years we have not killed a Muslim?

    p.s. Will Muslims stop killing us, if we stop killing them?

    p.s. Why not try it – it is not going so good right now.

    ABSOLUTELY. If you’d spend the time to read more thoroughly you’d realize that I am not a neocon. Spend some more time reading along with the writing, Art.

    Anyway, I agree, we need to get out of there, but then anybody who wants that should spend effort (at least written words, if nothing else) in fighting BIG GOVERNMENT. We have no control over this foreign policy because Americans have let it get completely out of our control.

    All that said, I don’t have to like the goat-luv crowd either. They can live in peace (or not) over THERE, just as we can over here. The (Steve Sailer term) “invite-the-world/invade-the-world policy must be stopped for peace to happen in either of our lands. Would you not agree, Art?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Rurik
  209. @EliteCommInc.

    Sorry to disturb you.
    My comment was meant for Annamaria.
    I am now fixing it.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  210. anon • Disclaimer says:

    1”at is, a comprehensive settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As the [UK] Observer notes:
    “The United States has pledged to tackle the Syrian-backed Hizbollah group in the next phase of its ‘war on terror’ in a move which could threaten military action against President Bashar Assad’s regime in Damascus. The move is part of Washington’s efforts to persuade Israel to support a new peace settlement with the Palestinians. Washington has promised Israel that it will take ‘all effective action’ to cut off Syria’s support for Hizbollah – implying a military strike if necessary, sources in the Bush administration have told The Observer.”
    This is how Washington seeks to “persuade” the Israelis – by caving to their every demand. “http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j041403.html

    2The Confidante, by Washington Post diplomatic correspondent Glenn Kessler–includes further evidence of the centrality of Israel to the Iraq-war-planners. Kessler reports that in September 2002, as the Israelis were besieging Arafat in Ramallah, Dov Weissglas, Sharon’s chief of staff, flew to D.C. to defend Israel’s actions.
    Rice cut him off after just ten minutes… [and] pointedly noted that the administration was in a sensitive situation with the Arab world, as it prepared to go to war with Iraq. “This effort, if it happens, it will be a strategic relief to Israel,” Rice said. “It is more important than Arafat. What you are doing now is an obstruction.” She said that Bush was probably the greatest friend of Israel since its creation, and now Israel was creating a problem. “The United States will never restrain you against any action which is needed to protect your people and stop terror, even if it takes place in the worst political context,” Rice added. “This is not the case.”
    And Weissglas called Sharon, and the siege ended. -http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/a-smart-reader/

    US will not be able to satisfying the ever changing elastic security concerns of Israel. US might have to attack Mecca and Medina to remove alst vestige of psychological resistance to Zionism from the muslim one day.

  211. @ThereisaGod

    It is hard to see an ultimate objective of these people

    I think I can help a little bit with that. Stand by for a lengthy translated excerpt from a century old book by Nahum Goldmann, leading Zionist and the founder and longtime president of the World Jewish Congress:

    “The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of global society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order. The first stage requires elimination of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions, only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order.

    [MORE]

    The first task of our world revolution is Destruction. All social strata and social formations created by traditional society must be annihilated, individual men and women must be uprooted from their ancestral environment, torn out of their native milieus, no tradition of any type shall be permitted to remain as sacrosanct, traditional social norms must only be viewed as a disease to be eradicated, the ruling dictum of the new order is; nothing is good so everything must be criticized and abolished, everything that was, must be gone.

    The forces preserving traditional society are “free market capitalism” in the social economic realm, and “democracy” in the mental political realm. The capitalist free market does not fight against the old economic order, nor does democracy lead a fierce hot battle against the forces of reaction which oppose the new order, therefore our transformative work will be imposed through the unifying principle of the militaristic spirit, the negative task of destroying the old established order will be completely solved and finished only when the all the human masses are all forcibly collectivized as uniformed soldiers under imposed mass-conformity of new order culturing.

    After destruction of the old order, construction of the new order is a larger and more difficult task. We will have torn out the old limbs from their ancient roots in deep layers, social norms will be lying disorganized and anarchic so they must be blocked against new cultural forms and social catagories naturally re-emerging. The general masses will have been first persuaded to join as equals in the first task of destroying their own traditional society and economic culture, but then the new order must be forcibly established through people again being divided and differentiated only in accordance with the new pyramidal hierarchical system of our imposed global monolithic new world order.

    Capitalism must be condemned as a fundament misfortune caused by the wealth of capitalist power exploiting the false separation between the high rulers and the oppressed exploited masses. The masses must be induce to repudiate the concept of personal wealth and personal rights, this second task will also be solved only by virtue of the great guiding principle of the subordinating militaristic spirit in which superior ranks impose order on inferiors, which will bring the true aristocratic principle of “might is right” in the new world order: “those who can rule – shall rule”.

    Translated from German

    From the book ‘Der Geist des Militarismus’ (The spirit of militarism), Nahum Goldmann, 1915, p.37 – 38

    https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100103943

    It’s kind of disheartening to see how long ago that those words were written and then realize how little we have really strayed from their grand design in all this time.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  212. @Art

    Art, I like your work.

    I believe you can look to Chechnya and see what happens when you try your 2nd last post scriptum:

    p.s. Will Muslims stop killing us, if we stop killing them?

    The leader of the militants recognized that it was outside elements, notably wahhabi extremists, supported by their regional ally (of course) who also controls the U.S.A., who were really directing their terrorist direction. So he switched sides and was able to reach a mutually beneficial agreement with V. Putin on moving forward, i.e. “stop killing Muslims, and have the Muslims stop killing“.
    Now the son of the former leader, is the leader of the country, and Russia is the only place (mostly) free for the Sunnis to exist and follow their religion without threat from wahhabi infection.
    The Nobel peace prize would have been as justifiable to be given to Vlad Putin and Ramzan Kadyrov, as half of the last dozen recipients.

    p.s. only people supporting the zionist political entity occupying the Palestinian territories are allowed to be generals in the U.S.A.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  213. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Yo.
    Iffen
    You were asked some questions @ 181.

    Your adoring public awaits your response.

    Unless you can”t come up with answers that won’t shatter your psyche.

    tic. tic. tic. tic. tic tic tic. tic. . . .

  214. Art says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ABSOLUTELY. If you’d spend the time to read more thoroughly you’d realize that I am not a neocon. Spend some more time reading along with the writing, Art.

    Sorry – my error – have done it before – hope not to do it again – I apologize — Art

  215. @EliteCommInc.

    I did apologize but I did not have to. But I do not mind.
    Concerning my comment:
    My first sentence is only for somebody who would know what it means.
    The rest is the evaluation of the article on zerohedge that she had refer to in her comment.
    (Obviously you read the comments very thoroughly. That is very commendable.)
    I will try to respect you.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  216. Art says:

    So he (Chechnya leader) switched sides and was able to reach a mutually beneficial agreement with V. Putin on moving forward, i.e. “stop killing Muslims, and have the Muslims stop killing“.

    In the election, I was hoping that Trump was such a leader – but NO – he is up to his eyeballs in Netanyahu, Javanka, Saudis, and generals.

    Sad!

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @trixie dixie
  217. Rurik says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “invite-the-world/invade-the-world policy must be stopped for peace to happen in either of our lands

    Agree

    but it’s true that the ZUSA has been used to slaughter, maim and displace untold millions of Muslims (and others in the Ukraine and elsewhere) where ‘we’ have a huge karmic debt. And I’d be all for convicting the war criminals responsible and for massive taxes to rebuild their destroyed counties.

    The problem is that there are a *lot* of people (even here at Unz! ; ) that would like to see the average American (and German and Brit, etc…) pay for all that carnage with their jobs and their communities and their lifestyles and even their lives and the lives of their children. There is a lot of justifiable hatred out there, but it’s a frustrated hatred because it can’t get its hands on the guilty, so it’s looking for the next best thing. You.

    Since the zio-scum and their goyim stooges (Cheney, Bush, Blair, et al..) have wreaked so much suffering in the Middle East (on behalf of the zio-Fiend), they feel it’s only fair that you (and the average working class European/N. American) should be forced to pay for all that karmic debt. They can’t get at Tony Blair, since he’s got the best security that shekels can buy, but they can get at the average British lorry driver and his children, and take out their righteous rage/revenge on them!

    it’s kind of sad to see so many otherwise intelligent people align with George Soros and the Fiend – because they are so full to the brim with hatred for the people of America, because their justifiable hatred for the neocons feels impotent, since they can’t get at them. But they can get at you with massive and transformational immigration policies that destroys your children’s hope for any kind of future.

    ‘too bad!’ they sneer. They should have thought of that before “they” waged a war on Iraq (Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran…)

    the sad thing is it all plays into the schemes of the men in the photo at the top to perfection

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  218. @sarz

    Trump is well aware of alternatives to debt-based currency. He studied the National Socialist economic miracle. His fitst wife mentioned that Hitler’s speeches were his bedside reading. The real Adolf Hitler, admired by M K Gandhi and J F Kennedy. Not the Holocaust guy, because that is fiction.

    While I agree that the Holocaust Hitler is fiction partly because he had people locked up for being anti-Nazi rather than because they were Jews, and while I agree that Germany’s economy recovered immensely during his tenure against incredible odds, I don’t think that Trump should read Hitler for economic advice since he was none too bright in that department.

    For economic advice Trump needs to read Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht’s recommendations which Hitler started ignoring.

    Schacht, a Christian, was the real force behind Germany’s recovery, yet Hitler had the Gestapo arrest him for treason* and he spent many years in many camps, eventually surviving a trial at the kangaroo court in Nuernberg.

    [MORE]

    After the war many countries turned to Schacht for advice on financial stability and economic progress among them Iran (Persia), Egypt, Syria and Indonesia.

    Speaking of that, here’s a quote of his that bears on the larger subject at hand.

    In Mossadegh I met a statesman of highest intelligence, supremely well versed in the practices of diplomacy, and of iron determination. The main topic of our conversation was, of course, the petroleum question. I could not but recognize the moral claim involved, and upheld by Mossadegh, and even now I deeply deplore that Western diplomacy has not understood how – by exercising a certain flexibility – to bring about a solution of the Persian oil problem. Domination of the Persian oil industry by foreign Powers, is something which the Persian people will never again tolerate, no matter what may be Mossadegh’s ultimate fate.
    -456-
    There is another point, however, which seemed to me even more important. In the chain of countries surrounding the Communist Russian center and stretching from Japan to Lisbon, Persia occupies a key position which may prove a blessing or a curse according to the political turn of events.
    Neglect of this viewpoint will not be compensated for by any conventional maxim or economic sacrifice which, in the event of an agreement, would not be very great in any case.

    -CONFESSIONS OF “The Old Wizard” THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF HJALMAR HORACE GREELEY SCHACHT Translated by Diana Pyke,(1956), pp456-7

    https://media.8ch.net/pdfs/src/1456922108381-0.pdf

    All of that is part of the reason I say that WW2 is still not over. Are not the issues as yet unresolved in favor of the so-called “victors?”

    * Although he was involved in a plot to get rid of Hitler, he was arrested because he told Hitler essentially that spending money on the military was not wise, so Hitler began viewing him as untrustworthy.

  219. Zumbuddi says:

    Thanks for all the informative commentary about Sunni vs Shia, all good to know

    This article is about neocons.

    It was neocons who schemed to set Sunni against Shia — to worsen already existing doctrinal comflicts.

    The goal was — IS — to divide and weaken and ultimately destroy.

    Douglas Reed revealed how totally committed to Death and Destruction Judahites aka Levites, were and, I suggest, still are.

    Hypothesis: neocons = Levites.
    Zionists = Levites.
    Levites = JUDAHITES, not Israelites.

    The division we ought to explore =
    Israel. vs Judah,

    where Judah the Levites even stole the name, Israel, from the sane Jews and hide their Levitic psychopathology behind it.

    We should focus on what might be, and definitely SHOULD be, a deeply divisive civil war within Jewry, Israel vs Judah / Levites,

  220. Zumbuddi says:
    @Rurik

    Keen insight Rurik.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  221. Druid says:
    @Jake

    Not true, it was a Zionist/neocon inside job. Desert fos is right

    • Agree: Rurik, Carroll Price
    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  222. @annamaria

    And just like 26(=28-2)-y.o.
    “Aaron(49/5) Swartz(107/6)”=156/11=(80+200)/8*11+11,
    36(=8+28)-y.o. “James Dolan” =94/10=-8/(2-8+11)+11 died under the code “2 8”:

    “former Marine and co-creator of the whistleblower submission system SecureDrop
    dies at age 36”= 922/80=(11+911)/(-2+82);
    “SecureDrop”=124/10=11-9+11-(20-8)/20.

    With these type of psychopaths it’s more important to prevent them from using
    calculators… :)

  223. Druid says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re full of dung. You know nothing about Islam’s prophet. Pedophile indeed! What a moron.

  224. @annamaria

    But these are side effects of neoconservative and now general interventionist belief and strategy. There are not the goals. Mayhem if employed is a tool . . . for interventionists.

  225. @trixie dixie

    Trixie Dixie said to Art: “… only people supporting the zionist political entity occupying the Palestinian territories are allowed to be generals in the U.S.A.”

    Hi Trixie,

    Very cool screen name! A story & question on that.

    Fall 1970 and on weekend pass from A.I.T., Fort Polk, La, I visited Lake Charles along with a couple friends. We went to a… bar, uh maybe it was more like one would now call a crude “Gentleman’s Club.” At any rate, we met a… uh, cocktail waitress who dressed extremely Summer-like and danced upon the bar whenever a Rolling Stones song played on juke box. While “Mothers little helper” played, she did a squat in front of my face and said, “Hey General, mah name’s Trixie!” Don’t suppose you’re Trixie from Lake Charles but the screen name evoked a tickly Dixie memory!

    At any rate, regarding your very serious “p.s.”, below, I have a question. You clearly state how “the Zionist political entity” occupies Palestinian territories. But do you see any tangible evidence for American territory that is not occupied by a Zionist political entity? Sections of the Black Hills and perhaps the Onondaga Nation don’t count though.

    “p.s. only people supporting the zionist political entity occupying the Palestinian territories are allowed to be generals in the U.S.A.”

    Thanks, Trixie Dixie!

  226. @Andrei Martyanov

    It’s not merely US mesianic world view. It resides in the perspective that democracies such as exist in the US, Canada, and Europe are the best models for a stable planet. That is the short version, that anything that hinders democratic and economic growth and stability is a danger not only to the US but to the planet.

    The idea that such a system could be installed by force if necessary on a global scale to improve the lives of most —- is a nobel grand narrative. It claims that the process is worth the cure. Only politician whom I have ever heard who actually expressed this in truth was Pres Bush —

    He said he didn’t care if the US “had to be in Iraq for 100 years.”

    So when people rail on about the pain and the suffering they are missing the point. When they rail on about the evil that interventionists are they are missing the point.

    The point is stability and freedom and economic prosperity on a global scale. Unless you are willing to grapple with that reality — that they actually believe that as ideology (short version) taking them on is going to be hit and miss. It’s a better strategy to take them on where they believe. One can certainly do both, but as long people believe the policy/the agenda – that grand design for good of all has teeth.

    It has great appeal to people with money and power who want in their view give back or shape the world for some noble cause —

    That appeal of humanitarian cause — is what caused Pres Trump to fall like a tweed suit and send cruise missiles into Syria. It’s Mrs. Pit dashing around Europe along side the likes of Mrs. Samantha Sunstein (Power) calling for war for some humanitarian agenda. I don’t think either woman is evil —

    But their agenda is misguided on multiple levels and cross purposes with the very end they seek to achieve to humanitarian ends. I could not in good faith declare the seven men above as evil — nor does it matter — it’s their agenda I challenge.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @annamaria
  227. And will admit, I was dismayed by many of the current executives choices for staff. Not because they were evil, but they ran counter to the agenda advocated during the campaign.

  228. iffen says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Woodchuck, you sure get a lot of muff in the face. You remind me of one of the “skis” I served with in the late 60′s.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  229. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    they seek to achieve to humanitarian ends.

    we’re butchering your family and destroying your country for your own good!

    why doesn’t he understand that?!

  230. @Sherman

    No wonder we Jews are so powerful. So many of our enemies are so stupid!

    If you’re so “powerful,” then why do you feel the need whine so much about victimhood?

    Smartest, richest and most powerful, yet playing the victim card to eternity. No wonder we dumb goyim will never understand.

  231. @iffen

    iffen said to me: “You remind me of one of the “skis” I served with in the late 60′s.”

    Hi Commissar iffen-iffen,

    Gauged by the low energy of your comments, I figured you were 21.

    At any rate, during your “service” when you came into contact with “skis,” by chance did you bond well with General Jaruzelski of the Polish People’s Army?

    • Replies: @L.K
  232. @Rurik

    Yeah, the old “humanitarian ends” pretext.

    P.T. Barnum was correct about the type.

    Talk about cringe-worthy!

  233. @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    It is hard to see an ultimate objective of these people

    I think I can help a little bit with that.

    I certainly hope that a fine comment such as yours does indeed help a bit.

    It’s kind of disheartening to see how long ago that those words were written and then realize how little we have really strayed from their grand design in all this time.

    Indeed!

  234. Druid says:
    @jacques sheete

    Ive read the book as well. It is truly enlightening about what the world is up against

  235. Druid says:
    @Tammy

    You must be a Shiite who hates Sunnis. Your claims are wrong on this topic

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Tammy
  236. Weaver1 says:
    @Rurik

    The frightening thing is the warmongers then want to import these same people, after we’ve destroyed their lives. They blame the US for the destruction, likely have an image of a redneck male as the culprit. And they’re invited here!

    The Neocons view all who support their empire as essentially citizens in this ideological state, so they’re fully willing to do the same to American citizens, only the law and general balance of power prevent them.

  237. Weaver1 says:
    @annamaria

    Those who are truly guilty of fraudulently lying the US into war should be tried for war crimes.

    It can’t be repeated enough: They should be imprisoned if found guilty in a court of law. The law should apply to everyone.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  238. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Not an issue —– appreciate it

  239. @Rurik

    That is not their intent . . . but if that is the short term price for long term grander success – they think it is worth it.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @alexander
  240. annamaria says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “I don’t think either woman is evil — But their agenda is misguided on multiple levels and cross purposes with the very end they seek to achieve to humanitarian ends… The point is stability and freedom and economic prosperity on a global scale.”
    — This cannot be naiveté but rather a sample of fine propaganda. After Bolshevik revolution in Russia (a lot of documents and wonderful books are available on this “noble cause”) and Cultural Revolution (same — any literate person has access to the history of the 20th century China), the suggestion that George Bush the lesser, Dick Cheney, Blair, Rumsfeld, Netanyahu, and the voracious Lobby crowd were after “humanitarian ends” in the Middle East is not just inappropriate — it is indecent. The lack of personal responsibility for weak and wicked people (see the above names) leads to crimes.
    As for the “seven men above” — they are evil. Let me sugges that if your saw your whole family, including babies and teens, made into minced meat on orders of the comfortably situated “noble-cause” interventionists who have been PROFITEERING on the interventions, you would think about these men and women that they are evil.
    In case you have never heard about Major General Smedley Butler, here is a link to his expert explanation of the US wars: https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
    You write, “The point is stability and freedom and economic prosperity on a global scale.”– Is this why the interventionists are not interested in registering the civilians’ casualties (collateral damage) of their wars?
    As for your stunning suggestion that the US and Israel are looking for “stability,” both countries, in fact, live by the dictum dīvide et imperā. Try to refute this statement.
    Your post, while pretending on being measured, is an apologia for the war criminals

    • Agree: jacques sheete, renfro
  241. @Druid

    Ive read the book as well. It is truly enlightening about what the world is up against

    Thanks, Druid. I just finished reading this review from a source seems somewhat trustworthy. Most of what he says comports with what I’ve thought for a long time. Two of my recurring themes are in bold, below. This stuff is so obvious that even I figured it out! I’ll read the book at first chance.

    In the end, it’s the monotheistic character of the Jewish and Christian religions that has itself been used as part of a political programme to consolidate power in the hands of a few. Yahweh is at the apex of the pyramid of power. Everyone’s bamboozled – revolutionaries and partisans of all sorts are constantly duped and made to turn against each other.

    http://rense.com/general84/cntrov.htm

    I have to laugh at all the “high IQ” Izzy-firsters who’re being bamboozled as we write. They have no clue but think they know everything.

  242. @annamaria

    As for your stunning suggestion that the US and Israel are looking for “stability,” both countries, in fact, live by the dictum dīvide et imperā. Try to refute this statement.

    This is the 21st century; after what’s been going on for the past few decades, I’ll second the idea that the suggestion is stunning.I think someone’s a bit behind, and it ain’t you!

    Your post, while pretending on being measured, is an apologia for the war criminals

    And a risibly transparent one at that. I wonder who it thinks it’s fooling..

  243. @Druid

    Here’re some interesting remarks about Reed by Eugene Lyons who was himself a very interesting character.

    [Reed’s] chapter on the Jews, in Germany and elsewhere, is likely to stir up controversy. Though he castigates the Nazis and their racial phobias, he is not impressed by the tragedy of the Jews. While they have been hard hit in the professions, “the Jews have been left almost unmolested in their most powerful stronghold—that of trade and commerce.” In Vienna, Prague, Bucharest, Budapest, Zagreb he “found Jews growing more and more numerous and prosperous.”…He goes even further and claims that the new Jewish prosperity is a sort of by-product of rearmament which in turn was undertaken in the name of anti-communism and antiSemitism. In other words, Hitler’s anti-Jewish mania is really a species of blessing for Jews… In starting off for a visit to Russia, he remarks that he guessed Bolshevism to be “a political racket like Fascism and National Socialism.” His Moscow experience did not invalidate that guess. This ability to penetrate beneath the clamorous slogans of politics to the self-interests at the core makes him a valuable reporter…

    -Eugene Lyons, The European Arena, (Review of Insanity Fair: A European Cavalcade, by Douglas Reed)
    The Saturday Review, May 28, 1938, p. 14

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/SaturdayRev-1938may28-00014

  244. L.K says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck, this maggot, “iffen”, never served in any military ever… the poor devil is just lying… as usual.

  245. @ChuckOrloski

    General Chucky
    Thanks for your comment.

    In response to your first question: no.

    Regarding your question, vis-a-vis “only people supporting the zionist political entity occupying the Palestinian territories are allowed to be generals in the U.S.A.“:

    But do you see any tangible evidence for American territory that is not occupied by a Zionist political entity?

    I’m no expert, but I don’t see any freedom aside from exceptions, i.e. less than 5%, could be as low or lower than 1%.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  246. @RobinG

    RobinG your cognitive capacity seems overburdened with an abundance of unnecessary assumption.

    This specific comment of yours seems without more than superficial thought, and borders on non sequitur at the most optimistic. The second paragraph seems disjointed from the first, possibly contradictory.

    All intelligent comments welcome.

  247. Miro23 says:

    The NeoCons are morphing into NeoBolsheviks but they’re ready to be Neo anything if it’s good for Israel.

  248. MEexpert says:
    @Druid

    Your claims are wrong on this topic

    Just because you say so or do you have any proof?

  249. Tammy says:
    @Druid

    Druid says, “You must be a Shiite who hates Sunnis. Your claims are wrong on this topic”

    Wrong, it has nothing to with Shai and Sunni. It has to do with upholding the Prophet’s reputation.

    If my claims are wrong, then bring proof to refute me. The easiest one which I have claimed that the Holy Quran calls Aisha a liar. I can quote you chapter and verse, but if you are a Muslim, you then already know about it.

    Prove me wrong that the Holy Quran doesn’t call Aisha a liar?

    If you don’t know the chapter and verse, then I am happy to oblige.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  250. @annamaria

    You mistake my short brief of interventionists agenda as promotion or agreement. There’s a difference in comprehending another’s position and supporting the matter.

    As noted I do not limit that agenda to the US or Israel. I am not debating the content of anyone’s heart in their agenda. They may very well be evil to a one, I have my doubts that is the case. And I think my position on unnecessary intervention since 2001 is fairly well known, regardless of the nature of anyone’s character.

  251. unseated says:

    I am surprised that in the comments so far no-one has quoted this from Andrew Cockburn:

    One of the rare moments of sort of communication between the two. Bush said to — they were out at Kennebunkport, and Bush Jr. says, “Can I ask you a question? What’s a neocon?” And the father says, “Do you want names or a description?” The President says, “I’ll take a description.” He says, “I’ll give it to you in one word: Israel,”

    http://thesaker.is/daddy-whats-a-neocon-ethnic-mafia-wars-is-the-usa/

  252. Tammy says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert says, “Yes it may have been the culture at that time. Remember, they also used to bury their female newborns alive. The Prophet came to change that culture.”

    Salam brother,

    Following is an excellent article posted on Saker’s blog, but an Egyptian who was a born Sunni and now calls himself just a Muslim. I am thinking along the same lines, if you can persuade Ron Unz:

    After the Prophet

    by Hamza Haidar

    Who I am: A student of Islam

    I am an ordinary Muslim (albeit a weak one at that). I am not a religious scholar. I am not a scholar of any type. I live in the West and am originally from Egypt.

    Being Egyptian by birth, you can say that I grew up a Sunni although I really was just brought up as simply a Muslim, yet of course a lot of the history we were taught and took for granted to be correct was according to the Sunni view.

    About 5 years ago I discovered the Ahlul Bayt school of thought. Ahlul Bayt literally means the family of the Household (i.e. the Prophet’s Household). The Shia school of thought (or Mazhab) is the Ahlul Bayt school of thought. Shia literally means “followers of or supporters of”.

    I came to the Shia view intuitively, through reflection on the condition of the Muslim world. I recall wondering why, for a people that have the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet from amongst them, why the Muslim world is in the backward, incompetent, destructive and enslaved condition that they are in. This bothered me greatly.

    As a result, I came to the conclusion that something must have gone wrong. Then I started researching what happened after the Prophet departed from this world. I came to the conclusion, which to me seemed as clear as the sun, that the Muslim world and the organized Religion must have been hijacked after the Prophet.

    Then the Shia school of thought very clearly and succinctly explained this. Whilst I whole heartedly subscribe to the views and knowledge of history of the Shia’s, I nevertheless am still just a Muslim. Albeit a Muslim who have had his view of history corrected. This is the crucial point to highlight, the difference between Sunni and Shia is really one of knowledge of, or rather acknowledgement of, history.

    http://thesaker.is/after-the-prophet/

    Maybe, as a starter Ron Unz with the approval of Saker, might consider this article to be posted on his blog….

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  253. Tammy says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik says, doormat had some good info, but alas he was a rabid dog of Islam demanding the death of the West- where the kind-hearted Western people had given him succor and opened their societies to his ungrateful brand of hatred.

    if all Muslims were like doormat.. well, let’s just be grateful they all aren’t

    I am saddened to read the above. As the Shia are taught that we are the true adherents of Prince of Peace. Our parents teach us from childhood to give our lives for oppression, but never take a life.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  254. MEexpert says:
    @Tammy

    Tammy,

    The best proof is that all hadith books have only source of this information, i.e. Aisha. Not her father, her brother, or anyone else. It is a self-serving statement. Furthermore, for whatever reason, even the Sunni scholars are refuting this claim. I read an article by some lady in a Pakistani Newspaper, on the internet, proving her age to be around 21 or 23 year. I can look it up but I think it is still available on the internet and can be Google searched.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  255. alexander says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “they think it is worth it”

    If they think it is worth it …..why don’t “they” pay for it ?

    Why doesn’t the 15 trillion in US debt they have racked up in the past 17 years come out of THEIR POCKETS ?

    If their “grand scheme” is so important and has so much integrity (to them) why shouldn’t THEY be footing the bill ?

    I say, lets take ALL the assets of the top 10,000 “one percent” war of aggression-ists and use it to pay down the heinous “war debt” their “grand scheme ” created.

    They should be more than happy to cough up ALL THEIR MONEY to pay for the wars they believe in SO MUCH…. shouldn’t they ?

    SHOULDN’T THEY ?

    Let’em put “their” money where their mouth is…FIRST !

    Right !?!

    So, as of last count… that’s “15 trillion” they owe the US taxpayer….

    Where’s the CHECK ?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  256. Tammy says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert says, “The best proof is that all hadith books have only source of this information, i.e. Aisha. Not her father, her brother, or anyone else. It is a self-serving statement.”

    What is the meaning of hadith? It simply means, “saying”. Usually, when Muslims say hadith (saying) they simply mean “saying” of Prophet (saws). Now, take a look at the supposedly Authenticated Six Books of Hadiths, you will find that 70-80% these Hearsay (Hadiths) which were recorded 250 years after the demise of the Prophet are Hearsay (Hadiths) of the companions and wives singing their own songs.

    The other 30-20% which are supposedly Hearsay (Hadiths) of the Prophet are doubtful too. Who Authenticated these Six Books. It is none other than authors of the Six Book themselves

    MEexpert says, “Furthermore, for whatever reason, even the Sunni scholars are refuting this claim. I read an article by some lady in a Pakistani Newspaper, on the internet, proving her age to be around 21 or 23 year. I can look it up but I think it is still available on the internet and can be Google searched.”

    Very true, it is going one now for 20+ years. But again, they are lying here too. Actually, if one looks at other evidence, her recorded age supposed to be between 35-40 years old and she also was previously married too. There is a doubt if she consummated that marriage or not.

    Prophet was pressured by both abu Bakr (first caliph) and Omar (second caliph), both who hijacked Islam to marry their daughters Aisha and Hasfa respectively. The Holy Quran doesn’t speak very nice about these wives. In Semite language, there is singular (one), dual (two) and plural (three or more), especially the chapter 66, which has in total 12 verses, which discuss these two wives.

    The Prophet used to call Aisha, “Humara”, which means bad of character and look.

  257. Cap Boots says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Scooter Libby, born (nee Liebowitz) is most assuredly a Jew.

  258. bjondo says:

    bush jr to bush sr,
    “pappy, what’s a traitor?”
    “son, in one sentence, any american supporting israel.”

  259. iffen says:

    The article does not reveal that Weinstein and Dubowitz are long time critics of Iran, are part of the Israel Lobby and just happen to be Jewish, as is Stephens.

    An excellent article, PG, one that deserves a wider audience than that provided by this small gallery of 88s.

    In the mode of Sailer’s Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police, I am thinking of trying to provide a Righteous Gentile anti-Semite Avoidance proofreading service.

    In recognition of your service to our country, I am making my services available in the instant case without requiring that you go into that pile of coins that you get from R. Unz.

    The article does not reveal that the neocons, Weinstein, Dubowitz and Stephens are Jewish. Of course, this point does not have to be repeatedly stated because it is common knowledge that many of the prominent neocons are Jewish. The fact that the foreign policy positions of the neocons very frequently align with the positions of the Israel lobby is also well observed and commented upon. Warmongers in favor of military action against Iran should be prepared to explain how Iran is a direct threat to the U.S. and not simply a threat to our ally, Israel. Doing so would dispel any notion that they are more concerned with protecting our ally Israel than they are with a realistic evaluation of the totality of the interests of the U. S.

    You’re welcome.

  260. MEexpert says:
    @Tammy

    Agreed. Or perhaps Saker can include this article in one of his own that he posts on Unz Review.

  261. To reinforce the idea that we’re dealing with pure evil, I find this most interesting. Especially since it rings so true.

    By the time [Ukranian Jews] reach Budapest, Vienna, Berlin or Prague they are already Westernized. Here, as in Poland, you have the future raw material of your Hollywood film producers and screen stars, your international bankers, your slick Jewish journalists — for here, in Carpathian Ukraine, they are learning English too, before they set off for America in search of greener pastures and another people to exploit and bring to ruin. (Italics added).

    Here you have a peasant population that has been plundered and bled white in centuries of exploitation,

    -This is an edited extract from Douglas Reed’s “Disgrace Abounding” [here], with an introductory note, pictures and captions by Lasha Darkmoon.

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/the-jew-and-the-peasant-by-douglas-reed/

    The article talks about the sale of methylated alcohol to the miserably poor goyim and one can see parallels between what Reed saw in the Ukraine with what’s going on here, in the US to this day, and what has long been done here.

    Wherever some of those people go, they leave trails of misery, degradation and destruction.

    I’ve been researching these things for decades, yet never once heard mention of Reed (until this thread) and his works can be very difficult to find. I wonder why.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @renfro
  262. Rurik says:
    @Tammy

    As the Shia are taught that we are the true adherents of Prince of Peace.

    well Tammy, from the actions of the Shia dominated governments, like Iran for instance, that would certainly seem to be the case.

    It has been the Saudi Sunnis and Daesh (and of course demonic Zionists and their Anglo golem) who’ve rained down so many horrors upon this earth and its people, at least since I’ve been alive.

    And at the direct expense of Shias (and Christians) all over the greater Levant. Today it’s the Yemenis that are being starved to death en-masse by these corrupt Sunni dog$, and it’s a terrible blight on us all that are forced to participate in this atrocity.

    with that said, I didn’t know doormat was a Shia, not that it really matters, because someone can claim being a Christian, and in the next breath say they’re also a Zionist, which is a contradiction, as the Christ and the Lamb of Peace would no doubt be horrified at the Satanic cruelty of the Zionists.

    So what I can tell you is that from my experience here at Unz, it has been the Sunni (ambassador of sorts) Talha that has demonstrated a respect for the teachings of the Prince of Peace, whom you and I both admire and aspire to. Whereas doormat demanded that the West open its gates to hoards and throngs of invaders and usurpers- out of a barely restrained hatred of the good Christian people of Canada (and the ZUSA) who had graciously allowed him to live there, and with the obvious intention of driving a stake though the heart of the Western world.

    As I told him at the time, when a reasonable and humane person sees the terrible plight of the Palestinian people, they’re motivated to sympathy and outrage at their tormentors. And would do all they could to help these oppressed people. So our natural sympathies are for the Muslims at the mercy of the Zio-Fiend who torments and savages them so mercilessly.

    But then to hear the doormat speak, it demands that just as the Zionists allow the Palestinians no right to land and territory of their own, neither (according to doormat) do the people of the West have a right to land and territory of their own, and must bow down to the hegemony and invasion of the West by his fellow Muslims (and presumably everyone else).

    His is a rabid sort of aggressive and militant Islam that needs to be put down like the frothing dog that it is.

    I’ve never seen such belligerence from our Sunni ambassador, and so I can’t say that it’s a Sunni vs. Shia thing, since the dark side and the enlightened side seem to be on both sides of the Islamic divide.

    • Replies: @Tammy
    , @MEexpert
  263. Talk about being surrounded by neocons! It’s much worse than that!

    Check out this article and the comments. Some sharp cookies here.:

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/opioids-and-the-crisis-of-the-white-working-class/

    I always suspected I didn’t know even a tiny fraction of it and the deeper one digs the more astonishing it gets.

    Oh yeah, I keep forgetting; I’m an envious, dumb goy.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  264. annamaria says:
    @Weaver1

    A summary of our times of discontent: “Another Step Toward Armageddon,” by Paul Craig Roberts https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/01/11/another-step-toward-armageddon/
    “The Clinton criminal regime broke Washington’s promise that NATO would not move one each to the East. The George W. Bush criminal regime pulled out of the ABM Treaty and changed US war doctrine to elevate the use of nuclear weapons from retaliation to first strike. The Obama criminal regime launched a frontal propaganda attack on Russia with crazed Hillary’s denunciation of President Putin as “the new Hitler.” In an effort to evict Russia from its naval base in Crimea, the criminal Obama regime overthrew the Ukrainian government during the Sochi Olympics and installed a Washington puppet. US missile bases have been established on Russia’s border, and NATO conducts war games against Russia on Russian borders.
    This is insanity. These and other gratuitous provocations have convinced the Russian military’s Operation Command that Washington is planning a surprise nuclear attack on Russia. The Russian government has replied to these provocations with the statement that Russia will never again fight a war on its own territory.
    Those such as myself and Stephen Cohen, who point out that Washington’s reckless and irresponsible behavior has created an enemy out of a country that very much wanted to be friends, do not get much attention from the presstitute media. The US military/security complex needs an enemy sufficient to justify its vast budget and power, and the Western media has accommodated that selfish and dangerous need.”
    – The neo/ziocons feed on the budget and power. Decent people are trying at outing the Israel’s immorality with BDS campaign. We need a similar campaign to out the US war profiteers. None of them – NONE – is an American patriot.

  265. Tammy says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik says, “I’ve never seen such belligerence from our Sunni ambassador, and so I can’t say that it’s a Sunni vs. Shia thing, since the dark side and the enlightened side seem to be on both sides of the Islamic divide.”

    The Shia believe that it is in your instincts to know the good or both, you don’t have to be taught what is good or bad, you are born with it. For this reason, you will find many atheists who are good, decent and enlightened people.

    The Sunni believe it is God who teaches what is good or bad. If tomorrow, God tells us that lying is good, then we should lie. If tomorrow, God tells us that if killing is OK, then we should kill. But God is not on earth anymore, His representatives are who are the Rulers above us. So, if the Rulers tells us tomorrow to do jihad, then we should….

    How easy it is to kill, as the Command is from God…..

    The ISIS theology is embodied in the Sunni theology…..

    Rurik says, “If the Saudis are Sunnis, and are determined that political leaders are de facto God’s chosen leaders by heavenly providence, then why are they trying to replace the leaders of Muslim Iran, if the leaders of Iran are prima facia God’s chosen?

    what am I missing?”

    Do you really believe that the Rulers themselves believe that they are chosen by God?

    The Saudi dynasty is not appointed by God, but rather than our British Masters.

    They have not drank that Kool-Aid themselves, the Kool-Aid is for the goats and sheep they are Rule upon….

    The Saudi dynasty is not appointed by God, but rather by our British Masters.

    What is God, but not TRUTH.

    What is the literal definition of Kafir? The one who hides the TRUTH…..

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Rurik
  266. @jacques sheete

    Jacques Sheete said: “To reinforce the idea that we’re dealing with pure evil…”

    Hi Jacques,

    Admit my idea might be theologically stretching it, but I intuit “pure evil” has its impurities and Ph D-level evil practitioners will fight among themselves as to WHO gets to be The Man at the Top.

    Earlier I posted a link to a VT article where Kissinger discussed the feud involving Steve Bannon and the Trump administration as being “Jew versus Gentile.” Inititially Henry’s assertion struck me as being just another dump of deceptive (evil) B.S. into dumb goyim minds because of the fact that both parties are verifiably commited Zionists.

    Dealing & coping with the unpredictable nature of both pure and impure Zio governmental evil is “hard work,” Jacques.

    Please consider the linked presstv article (far below) on the topic of Trump administration’s tinketing with withdrawal from the Iran deal?

    A question. Do we actually have a prayer for even an “impure” split in the American-Israeli Deep State? In particular, an inevitable “split” of vital Empire interests which piss off mighty Adelson & Netanyahu and would entail letting the Islamic Republic of Iran survive, prosper, and make profit from it?

    Any feedback, Jacques, anyone? Except of course that of Commissar iffen.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/01/11/548559/Withdrawal-from-Iran-deal-could-unravel-American-empire

  267. @Tammy

    Tammy to Rurik: “Do you really believe that the Rulers themselves believe that they are chosen by God?”

    Hi Tammy,

    Although I am not requested to reply, above…,
    Cannot answer as to how rulers of Islamic nations think, but our former-POT(Z)US George W. Bush thought that God tasked him to end Saddam Hussein’s tyranny in Iraq.

    Refer to The Guardian article link, below?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

    • Replies: @Tammy
  268. @ChuckOrloski

    A question. Do we actually have a prayer for even an “impure” split in the American-Israeli Deep State? In particular, an inevitable “split” of vital Empire interests which piss off mighty Adelson & Netanyahu and would entail letting the Islamic Republic of Iran survive, prosper, and make profit from it?

    “If you will it, it is no dream.”

    -Der Judenstaat
    Theodor Herzl

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  269. @Druid

    Indeed. It’s hard to imagine a more obvious inside job, and even harder to imagine more obvious planners and participates.

  270. MEexpert says:

    Cannot answer as to how rulers of Islamic nations think, but our former-POT(Z)US George W. Bush thought that God tasked him to end Saddam Hussein’s tyranny in Iraq.

    Hey Chuck:

    It is easy to blame God for everything. He is not going to come down and argue. HE already has a day selected when HE will make the arguements. I am sure our current POTUS says the same thing that he was tasked by God to Make America Great Again.

  271. @ChuckOrloski

    Fall 1970 and on weekend pass from A.I.T., Fort Polk, La, I visited Lake Charles along with a couple friends. We went to a… bar, uh maybe it was more like one would now call a crude “Gentleman’s Club”

    I’ve always wondered where the Mossad came up with that weird idea of portraying the 9/11 hi-jackers as spending their last night on earth in a titty bar.

  272. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    intriguing website there Jacques

    Here we see Bannon, the shabbos goy, trying to make out that the Jew, Jared Kushner, is not Zionist enough! Bannon is seen here as more extreme in his Zionism than Kushner, whose Zionism is represented as weak and insipid in comparison. Bannon is basically saying to Kushner, “I am more Jewish than you are, because I love Israel more than you do!”

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2018/henry-kissinger-its-a-war-between-the-jews-and-the-non-jews/

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  273. @ChuckOrloski

    Your comment is pure genius!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  274. MEexpert says:
    @Rurik

    with that said, I didn’t know doormat was a Shia,

    I have to admit my ignorance but I have never come across “doormat,” so I really cannot comment on what he said. But if he did say the things that you are referring to, then I will say he really is not a Shia. The Ahl ul Bayt and their followers (the Shias) will never initiate aggression. They only fight to protect their faith but only as a last resort.

    A good example is the recent fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani. He waited almost until the last minute, when it became absolutely necessary, to mobilize the people to defend Iraq. Look at the impact of his fatwa. Obama, his Generals and the pundits were saying that it will take 30-40 years to defeat ISIS in Iraq but a fatwa from an 80 year religious scholar took care of ISIS in less than three years.

    The difference between Shia and Sunni is that any Sunni can issue a fatwa for “Jihad,” but for Shias, only the divinely appointed Imam issues an order for Jihad unless the situation in Iraq arises. In that case, one of the senior clerics, such as Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in Iran or Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani in Iraq, can issue such fatwa but only to defend their country or faith. In the case of ISIS it was both.

    As I have mentioned before, most Sunnis are not extremists. Shias and Sunnis have major differences but they had learned to live with them. Since 1979 Iranian revolution the Saudi have been in fear of the masses rising up against them as the Iranian rose against Shah. So they started this campaign against the Shias. They bought the loyalties of Sunnis in poor countries and started with their children and taught them to kill Shias. My complain against the Sunnis is that they allowed themselves to be used like pawns to serve the Saudis. The reality is that the Saudis (Wahhabis) love Sunnis as much as they love the Shias.

    You have to be careful how you read some of the things on Unz Review. People like anon or anonymous, or any other variation thereof plus the neocon/Zionist agitators will deliberately write things to incite and misinform people. That is when I step in. Talha and I have different believes but I respect him and we are civil. He thinks I am wrong and I think he is wrong but I don’t issue any fatwa to harm him and I hope he will not issue a fatwa for me to be beheaded. He is safe from me because I can’t issue a fatwa anyway.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @RobinG
    , @Talha
  275. Rurik says:
    @Tammy

    The Shia believe that it is in your instincts to know the good or both, you don’t have to be taught what is good or bad, you are born with it.

    that sounds like secular humanism Tammy

    For this reason, you will find many atheists who are good, decent and enlightened people.

    not just atheists, but most religious people as well, at least that’s been my experience

    The Sunni believe it is God who teaches what is good or bad.

    sounds pretty much like the Christians and Jews and many others..

    If tomorrow, God tells us that if killing is OK, then we should kill.

    Again, sounds just like the Christians and Jews..

    But God is not on earth anymore, His representatives are who are the Rulers above us. So, if the Rulers tells us tomorrow to do jihad, then we should….

    How easy it is to kill, as the Command is from God…..

    again, just like the ‘Christians’ and Jews..

    Do you really believe that the Rulers themselves believe that they are chosen by God?

    perhaps a few of them. I doubt most of them do.

    The Saudi dynasty is not appointed by God,

    more like appointed by Satan, if you ask me. But I wonder.. How many Saudi Arabian citizens would give the princes and sheiks the Gadhafi treatment if they had the chance?

    I doubt the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Saudi Arabia even consider the leaders of that nation to be anything other than corrupt tyrants (pond scum) masquerading as royalty. And looting the nation dry as the people languish in poverty.

    What is God, but not TRUTH.

    perhaps a bit simplistic, but I won’t argue the point

    What is the literal definition of Kafir? The one who hides the TRUTH…..

    well, according to the Internet it’s

    “a person who is not a Muslim”

    Is Islam the only path to truth?

    • Replies: @Castellio
    , @Tammy
  276. @Rurik

    Yes, it certainly seems to be. I just checked out an article from that site, and found this.

    The jail sentence of Sholom Rubashkin, the kosher meatpacking business owner who was sentenced in 2009 to 27 years in prison on dozens of wire fraud charges, was commuted by President Trump

    Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/390540/who-is-sholom-rubashkin/

    The “rabbi” is something else. Pure evil. (Sorry Chuck!)

    I’ve been off on a tangent this AM and still need to dig deeper into Douglas Reed’s work as well. The site is full of very interesting things, so it’s distracted me. Particularly good are the comments. Few to no trolls there. Speaking of which, what’s become of our trolls?

    I haven’t even begun to scratch the surface!!!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  277. renfro says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I think Chuck….as things look now ….that the US has been in the ‘unraveling’ stage for some time.

    I think those behind it learned in Russia (the Bolsheviks) that a violent revolution only results in a counter revolution to defeat them…..so they have taken a different route…..an unraveling….which takes much, much longer of course but has the advantage of being hard to see by average people.

    If you have time or interest here’s a good collection of speeches Nobel prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn:

    Warning to the West
    byAleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Speeches given to the Americans and to the British from June 30, 1975 to March 24, 1976.

    ”This book of Solzhenitsyn’s speeches is a valuable critique of communism, even if it obscures or avoids some aspects of its fundamental nature that would explain why communism “became” genocidal instead of “liberating.” Solzhenitsyn, speaking as a betrayed socialist who spent over a decade in a gulag (bolo prison camp where gentiles, dissidents, and socialists were sent to be worked to death), speaks at length of the dangers of communism as a movement that initially presented itself as a quest for social justice but quickly revealed itself to be the most bloodthirsty totalitarian system in history. The fact that Solzhenitsyn omits the defining aspect of communism is both a testament to the remaining power of the bloodthirsty radicals today and the reason that most gentiles who study Marxism and communism fail to understand the difference between communism and other forms of socialism and the attendant dangers of sacrificing individual rights for what might appear to be the greater good.

    Warning to the West is important because because it warns of the danger of “progressive” elites that back and organize causes that appeal to workers or the downtrodden for their own murderous agendas — agendas that might never become clear, even as the blood flows once they achieve state power.
    What Solzhenitsyn fails to treat, however, is the fundamental nature of the Russian holocaust that might explain what actually happened and why the children and grandchildren of the bolos are still so dangerous today. The Bolsheviks’ pretense of fomenting a labor revolution, then simultaneously ruthlessly suppressing labor while exterminating thousands of gentiles per month (directly under Lenin, and then as Stalin’s willing executioners) is left as a mystery for the reader.
    However, a clue to Solzhenitsyn’s reluctance to address the fundamental essence of communism can be found in another of his works –which for some reason has yet to be fully published in English — wherein he states that the fact that the Russian holocaust is not recognized for what it was serves as proof that its perpetrators are controlling the media. Because it was not safe to publicly state that the perpetrators were already in the US and were well on their way to establishing global economic dominance by the 1970s, Solzhenitsyn must speak in guarded terms about what was safe to say — that communism, not the elite who started it — was a global threat to labor and humanity. Thus, the global enemy is the Trojan Horse of Marxism, not the global crony-capitalist elite that owns every printing press churning out copies of The Communist Manifesto, every newspaper reporting on “income inequality” and every television network subverting western culture.
    Warning to the West is the most that Solzhenitsyn could say then”

    But later he wrote this book….saying what he couldn’t say then.

    https://twohundredyearstogether.wordpress.com/page/2/

    Two Hundred Years Together is a two-volume historical essay by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    It has been prohibited from being published in English but you can read some chapter translations in english at that site.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  278. None of the links seem to work at this site. I wonder why that would be.

    http://www.douglasreed.co.uk/

    I am also unable to find a source for Reed’s The European Arena.

    • Replies: @renfro
  279. renfro says:
    @jacques sheete

    https://twohundredyearstogether.wordpress.com/page/2/

    Two Hundred Years Together is a two-volume historical essay by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    See Chapter two for how Russia tried to deal with the Jew’s alcohol business. Russia repeatedly offered the Jews carrots instead of sticks to cease using their bars and selling alcohol on credit to get farmers indebted to them and ruining whole communities.
    It didnt work.
    If the history of jews among gentiles proves anything its that you cant use carrots with Jews, they only respond to sticks.

  280. renfro says:
    @Tammy

    Of course, you have a choice and who said that you don’t!

    Your reply makes absolutely no sense.
    Please call 1-800-rent a brain before/if you comment to me again.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  281. @alternatereality

    alternate reality said to me: “If you will it, it is no dream.”
    -Der Judenstaat
    Theodor Herzl.”

    Hi alternatereality,

    Your having provided the cocksure Herzl quote (above) is the best TEMPORAL answer that I could ever have dreamed about getting.

    Thank you.

  282. Rurik says:
    @MEexpert

    thank you again MEexpert for your thoughtful reply and your obvious knowledge of such things.

    It seems to me that we all agree (Talha too if I’m not mistaken) on the corruption and general depravity of the Saudi regime. Today they’re waging a starvation war against a desperately poor people in a poor nation, Yemen, with the vile and unforgivable complicity of the Zionist regime in Washington, DC.

    I don’t know what good it will ultimately do to speak of these things, but at least we’re putting it out there, that we don’t subscribe to mass-murder and atrocities, even if our government facilitates them.

    I hope he will not issue a fatwa for me to be beheaded.

    I suspect you’re safe on that account, but then I can’t speak for the man. ;)

    Salaam

  283. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    what’s become of our trolls?

    I know!

    perhaps Unz is becoming too inhospitable for the trolls. We need to parley them back into the fold.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  284. renfro says:
    @jacques sheete

    ”…None of the links seem to work at this site”’

    Working for me…..you need to click on the pdf…not the title.

  285. @alexander

    I think you will not like this answer. If one has an idea about policy. And one can convince enough bureaucrats, policy stake holders that said policy is beneficial to the country —

    Then the country will foot the bill. I have no idea if those who have advocated for have lent their support with money from their own pockets. Maybe they have and maybe they have not. In either case, once the country adopts the measure as official government/public policy, it is customary for the public to pay the costs —

  286. Two Hundred Years Together is a two-volume historical essay by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Hey, didn’t you know that AS was an anti-Semite? What are we, a bunch of conspiracy theorists er sumpin? ;) ;)

    I’m currently reading Reed’s “Insanity Fair” and next is his “Controversy of Zion.” I’ve read a lot of AS, and have been meaning to get to his “Two Hundred Years Together ,” so thank you for the link.

    Speaking of alcohol, and Prohibition, it’s clear to me that Prohibition in the US was a clever way to smash the small breweries. Once that was done, guess who bought up the assets for pennies on the dollar and consolidated the industry? Now, some of the big money boys pose as philanthropists with their ill begotten loot.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @annamaria
  287. Castellio says:
    @Rurik

    Actually, you get that wrong. Khafir means, quite simply, one who is not grateful.

  288. @jacques sheete

    Jacques Sheete said to me: “Your comment is pure genius!”

    Your comments here at U.R. are consistent learning experiences and your above compliment is meaningful to me.

    As you know, there is a time-honored discipline known as “logic.” Philosophers at great ZUS institutions teach logic to students and many live like Kings.

    However, perhaps around 20 years ago, I happened to notice an obscure science in remarkable human logic and political science. Agreed — All thinkers know what extraordinary “good” happens upon hydrogen and oxygen combination? Right, Jacques?

    Well please have patience and stay with me?

    Almost like arithmetic as science, I added the two (2) following logical insights, one of which respectively came from George Orwell and the other originated from a notorious intelligence agency.

    Here goes…,
    1. Orwell’s advice on when a person begins to seriously consider studying politics and
    subsequently forms opinion, makes judgement. He cautioned that when one begins to think about politics, the logical starting point must be to recognize the science’s inherent “DECEPTION.” *

    2. A concept much easier to grasp due to the business they’re in, The Mossad motto is “By deception we do war.”

    So when #’s 1 and 2 (above) either combine or added together (like elementary arithmetic), the logical byproduct is awareness and not necessarily “genius.”

    Abiding by a cautious, anti-deception formula, I am prompted to watch ever so closely what the Trump administration will proclaim TOMORROW regarding wherefore goes the sizzling Iran nuke deal and potential imposition of warlike (Lite?) ZUS sanctions.

    Thanks, Jacques!

    * Dag nabbit! I cannot recall either the name of Orwell’s exact letter or essay from which I quoted (from memory), reference # 1. He wrote a lot.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  289. @renfro

    Working for me…..you need to click on the pdf…not the title.

    I dun bot’. Nuttin worked.

    I got Reed’s “Insanity Fair” at another site and am now reading it.

  290. Robjil says:
    @jacques sheete

    @Jacques Sheete

    Another new book continuing in the tradition of Douglas Reed’s “Controversy of Zion” was just published this month – Jan 2018. It is called ” From Yahweh to Zion” by Laurent Guyenot. I just started reading it. It quite good and similar to the “Controversy of Zion”. This new book continues the sad, cruel tale of Zionism to the present time.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  291. @ChuckOrloski

    So when #’s 1 and 2 (above) either combine or added together (like elementary arithmetic), the logical byproduct is awareness and not necessarily “genius.”

    Oh yeah?

    Sometimes awareness is genius and I can call it that if I want! Nyaaaah! ;)

    Bless you !

    PS: I’ve read most pf Orwell’s stuff but it was a long time ago and none of what you said rings a bell (yet). If I weren’t eyeball deep in reading, I’d try to find it. If you recall, I’d like to know about it!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  292. @Rurik

    …perhaps Unz is becoming too inhospitable for the trolls.

    I fear I may have been wrong again when I said that they were utterly incapable of keeping their mouths shut and would rather call attention to their stupidity than hush up.

    Time will tell.

  293. @renfro

    Here’s what I get when clicking pdf. Reload does no good.

    Error
    Failed to load PDF document.

  294. Zumbuddi says:
    @Robjil

    IIRC Debbie Menon published articles by Guenot on My Catbird Seat (which is bigly missed).


    I’m as ignorant as anyone re ancient & Hebrew history. Just now composing parallel timelines for Levites-Judahites (based on Reed),
    AND defeat of Persians by Greeks & conquest of Persian empire by Alexander.

    Persians were dealing with obnoxious Yehud throughout that period, saving their bacon, financing them, givi g them political support, while Esther was spying & whoring & subverting Persian leadership & killing Persians.

    Jews thus weakened Persian nation & empire, eventuating its downfall.
    Jews continued being a drain on Persia over the 600 years of Roman -Persian wars.
    Jews dragged down Poland, Germany, & now USS

    They’ve been a pain in the ads from the get go.

    Hitler knew what he was talking about when he spoke of Aryans —Aryan (Iranian) culture was and is far superior to anything Jews originated. The fact being that most of What’s positive about Hebrew culture is approlriated. Hebrews’ only authentic innovation is ulloyed cult of killing, even celebrating killing other people’s babies — see Psalm 137, which Reed mentions.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  295. @jacques sheete

    Jacques Sheete said:: “Sometimes awareness is genius and I can call it that…”

    Yes, above.

    As you know Jacques, often a percentage of people are born genius, high IQ. Agreed?

    What we have here in ZioLand are relative geniuses whose life mission is to make and keep the masses unaware, consumerized, debt-ridden, impressionable, obedient, selfish. scared, happy, and dependent upon them.

    In a nut, that’s the great human dilemma now, a collective cross to bear.

    Thank you.

    P.S. My multi-volume collection of Orwell’s letters and essays were used extensively and are now bound by rubber band & duct tape. Not impossible to locate the quote at issue, but like you, Jacques, I am “eyeball deep in reading” and of course commenting here. Time for break on Russian New Years Eve!

  296. RobinG says:
    @MEexpert

    IDK all what Rehmat said, but has it occurred to you that Rurik’s representation is a product of his own hyperbolic, xenophobic interpretation? My memory of Rehmat is of someone justifiably angry at a murderous and destructive foreign policy. (But my memory is cloudy, and this describes many people.)

    As for Sunni vs. Shia Islam, why cultivate that boondoggle? Especially the presumptuous suggestion that Phil should put his byline on a piece ghost written by an anonymous kibitzer with a demonstrated ["Believe my pack of lies!"] lack of objectivity.

    The ruse of religious difference has been ginned up to bolster standard economic rivalry and turf wars. Why give it undeserved credence?

    • Replies: @Tammy
    , @Tammy
    , @Rurik
  297. @renfro

    renfro said: “I think Chuck….as things look now ….that the US has been in the ‘unraveling’ stage for some time.”

    Agreed, renfro. Engineered as such, the ZUS “unraveling” is going to get uglier as plans are being implemented for the American-Israeli “pivot” east.

    Remember U2′s popular tune and Bono singing, “All that you can’t leave behind”?

    Well… as Roman emperors pivoted east to Constantinople and left barbarian-besieged “dead enders” behind, such will become the fate of “Deplorables” and Bernie-Youth enthusiasts when the Jew Kings unravel & leave them behind.

    Hope to one day read “100 Years Together.” A suggestion. Try the late-A..S.’s “Under the Rubble,” especially his essay, “Repentance and Self Limitation in the Life of Nations.”

    Thanks very much, renfro, and God bless you.

  298. MEexpert says:

    @RobinG said:

    Especially the presumptuous suggestion that Phil should put his byline on a piece ghost written by an anonymous kibitzer with a demonstrated ["Believe my pack of lies!"] lack of objectivity.

    I don’t think Phil or Ron are going to do any such thing. What I did want these gentlemen, since they get published, is to do some work on Shia Islam and see what it is and what makes the Shias tick. It is obvious that there are major difference between the behaviors of Shias and Sunnis. Sunnis do all the damage and terrorism and the Us is ready to attack Iran.

    As to the “believe my pack of lies,” that is your interpretation and I suppose you are entitled to it. But if you take some time to study you will come to realize the truth in the Shia version. The truth never resorts to violence and force. Shias never initiate aggression but will defend their faith even if they are small in numbers. That is why the Houthis are standing up to the US led Saudi coalition against Yemen. Hezbollah is no match for the Israel/US power but they don’t back down. Iran’s crime is that she has not knelt in front of the US/Israel hegemon. That is why the pundits never talk about Shia version of Islam, the Islam original. They talk about the “radical Islam” which is another name for the hijacked political Islam. It makes more sensational news.

    By the way, there is no such thing as “radical Islam,” only radical Muslims. Just like there are radical Christians, the radical right and the radical Jews personified by the likes of Netanyahu and Lieberman.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  299. RobinG says:

    *** NEOCON FAMILY BUSINESS

    “Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan have a great mom-and-pop business going. From the State Department, she generates wars and from op-ed pages he demands Congress buy more weapons. There’s a pay-off, too, as grateful military contractors kick in money to think tanks where other Kagans work, writes Robert Parry.”

    A Family Business of Perpetual War

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/20/a-family-business-of-perpetual-war/

    • Replies: @Tammy
  300. geokat62 says:

    Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan have a great mom-and-pop business going.

    They should be referred to by their less-anglicized surnames – i.e., Nudelman and Kaganovich. It might act as an aid to some of The Dumb Goyim.

  301. RobinG says:
    @MEexpert

    Nothing is stopping you from composing a primer on Shia Islam and submitting it to UR. New authors are published here all the time. Of course, if you and Miss Believe-my-pack-of-lies! prefer to remain anonymous, you’ll have to find some legitimate writer/scholar to do so.

  302. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Salaam Bro,

    Talha and I have different believes but I respect him and we are civil.

    Yeah we’re cool. I also am nowhere close to being able to issue fatwas nor do I plan on even being on the track to be able to do so in my lifetime.

    And as you mentioned, the Salafi-Wahhabi extremists are only a little bit nicer to Sunnis, having blown up and attacked many, many gatherings and locations of Sufi mausoleums and sich. Also it’s been a while since I posted this, but one of the first things ISIS did was go after some of the top Sunni scholars in Iraq:

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @Tammy
    , @Tammy
  303. annamaria says:
    @jacques sheete

    Solzhenitsyn was an honest man and excellent researcher. Only in a sick society, afflicted by PC and “guided “by the Lobby, Solzhenitsyn could be branded anti-Semite for being an honest historian. https://www.counter-currents.com/2015/07/solzhenitsyn-on-the-jews-and-soviet-russia/
    “Two Hundred Years Together is a two-volume historical essay by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. It was written as a comprehensive history of Jews in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and modern Russia between the years 1795 and 1995″ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together
    “Solzhenitsyn writes: “It must be stated clearly that the October Putsch was not led by the Jews (except for the glorious Trotsky and the young and dynamic Grigori Chudnovsky)” (p. 80). He remarks that there were also some Jews in the Winter Palace defending the Provisional Government from the Bolsheviks, and recalls meeting one of them in a Soviet prison himself.
    … Another witness quoted by Solzhenitsyn specifies that most of the heads of prisons were Poles and Latvians, while “the section charged with combating black marketers—the least dangerous and most lucrative—was in the hands of Jews” (p. 94). Jews are also said to have been unusually noticeable in the organs charged with provisioning (p. 97). Solzhenitsyn lists the names of ten Jewish bankers who provided important financial services for the Bolsheviks (p. 115).
    Some Jews were also implicated in the murder of the Imperial family, notably Sverdlov (who transmitted the order from Moscow) and Urovsky (who led the execution squad), but Solzhenitsyn believes the point has been exaggerated in recent years by certain Russian nationalists “who take a morbid pleasure in this agonizing thought” (p. 100). Most of the executioners were Hungarian prisoners of war; final responsibility for the crime rested, of course, with Lenin.”
    –It is the measured and honest presentation of the factual infromation that makes Solzhenitsyn documentary “Two Hundred Years Together” intolerable for the “chosen.”

  304. @Zumbuddi

    You forgot Russia and also hundreds of nations.

  305. @annamaria

    Most of the executioners were Hungarian prisoners of war; final responsibility for the crime rested, of course, with Lenin.”

    Not only absurd but totally ridiculous.

    Where all the diamonds had disappear.
    After the deed they cough the train to back Hungary.
    What do you think from where Soros has all his money.

  306. Tammy says:
    @RobinG

    RobinG says, “IDK all what Rehmat said, but has it occurred to you that Rurik’s representation is a product of his own hyperbolic, xenophobic interpretation? My memory of Rehmat is of someone justifiably angry at a murderous and destructive foreign policy. (But my memory is cloudy, and this describes many people.)”

    Very true, and this is what I remember about Rehmat being “someone justifiably angry at a murderous and destructive foreign policy.”

    As a human being, I am really concerned that something might have happened to him as he has not updated his site for a long while now. He used to update it on a daily basis. But according to Rurik he is a doormat and should be hated….

    The Price of Peace teaches us love, but it amazes me that how many Prince of Peace adherents hate others….

    • Replies: @Rurik
  307. Tammy says:
    @RobinG

    RobinG says, “As for Sunni vs. Shia Islam, why cultivate that boondoggle? Especially the presumptuous suggestion that Phil should put his byline on a piece ghost written by an anonymous kibitzer with a demonstrated ["Believe my pack of lies!"] lack of objectivity.”

    Hitler was either good or bad, and both sides contain historical inaccuracies in their account, but the majority of the world population believe Hitler was a bad person. Those who take their time and dig through the history and keep on digging, they eventually find the TRUTH.

    Islam is a verb, which means “to submit”. Kafir is an another verb, which means “to cover”. The Holy Quran uses the term to cover the TRUTH, to cover God.

    Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār; feminine كافرة kāfirah) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R “to cover”) meaning “one who covers the truth” or “one who covers something” also translated as “infidels” or “unbelievers”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

    People think that both Islam and Kafir are nouns!

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  308. Tammy says:
    @RobinG

    RobinG says, “IDK all what Rehmat said, but has it occurred to you that Rurik’s representation is a product of his own hyperbolic, xenophobic interpretation? My memory of Rehmat is of someone justifiably angry at a murderous and destructive foreign policy. (But my memory is cloudy, and this describes many people.)”

    The Shia get it from all sides. But before, let us consider the following statement posted in this article:

    Achmed E. Newman says, “The Moslems with their pedophile-Prophet”

    Now, if you have noticed no Sunni came to the defense of the Prophet, not even Talha. Those Sunni came to the defense, they tried to justify the Prophet’s behavior. These Sunni very well know that.

    1. Their Six Books of Hearsay were written 250 years later after the demise of the Prophet. In these Books it is only Aisha who claims that the Prophet married her when she was six and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine. No other person beside her makes this claim. She is basically singing her own songs.

    2. Muslims know that both Aisha and Hafsa, the Holy Quran calls them both liars. The whole chapter 66, which has 12 verses in total. Other chapters too.

    Now to Shia, what he/she encounters:

    1. Charlie Hebdo case in point, where the Sunni will murder anyone for blasphemy to the Prophet, but the Sunni books are themselves full of blasphemy to the Prophet and people get these from the Sunni Books themselves. They don’t make it up from the thin air.

    2. When the Shia tries to correct these records and/or reject the leaders over them, the Sunni murder the Shia for being infidels. They rather protect the reputation and lies of Aisha, over the reputation of Prophet. Go Figure!

    3. The ISIS theology is embodied in the Sunni Islam. To non-Muslims, all Muslims are alike they are all Terrorists and Murderers. They don’t even take the time and try to find TRUTH that how the Shia have been persecuted since the inception of Islam. They don’t know Prophet grandson Imam Hussein (as) was butchered….. Why and who butchered him?

    4. And, they add this insult to the injury, “if you and Miss Believe-my-pack-of-lies!”

    Peace and love you….. God bless you and all His children. We are all equal in His/Her eyes….

  309. Tammy says:
    @Talha

    Talha says, “And as you mentioned, the Salafi-Wahhabi extremists are only a little bit nicer to Sunnis, having blown up and attacked many, many gatherings and locations of Sufi mausoleums and sich.”

    No Talha, I am not going to give you a pass like MExpert does, especially to a Pakistani, where umpteen Shai are murdered on daily basis and no Sunni says anything. Even in Saudi Arabia if the Shia are butchered in Mosques, the government takes swift action, just they did in Kuwait. But not in Pakistan, as the government and the people are implicit in it.

    You didn’t even come to the defense of Prophet when someone called him, “pedophile” astafgurullah. You sat on the edge. Either the Sunni came to Aisha defense by justifing the Prophet’s behavior or they sit on edge making an excuse we don’t want to get into Sunni/Shia thingy. Bullshit Talha. It has nothing to do with Sunni/Shai thingy, it has to do with Prophet’s reputation.

    Talha says, “Also it’s been a while since I posted this, but one of the first things ISIS did was go after some of the top Sunni scholars in Iraq:”

    Talha, we all know that ISIS is USA creation, but thanks to USA and Obama it is a godsend from heaven. WHY?

    It laid bare the Sunni theology to both Muslims and non-Muslims and now the Sunni are themselves asking what kind of theology we believe in. There is lot of questioning going on with Sunni and some of the are now apologizing to the Shai.

    Check this out on the Saker’s blog: http://thesaker.is/after-the-prophet/

    The Pakistani Anwar Khan on Saker’s blog demanded equal time from Saker. He also disguised himself under the Sufi flag like you. Sufi are Shia and not Sunni, and for this reason they are massacred like Shia for being infidels. They theology leaders are just like Shia, the Prophet Mohammad, Imam Ali, Bibi Fatima, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussein, but their political leaders are like Sunni, first caliph abu Bakr, second caliph Omar, third caliph Usman …..

    They have mastered, having their cake and looking at it at, but it hasn’t stopped their massacre by the Sunni….

    Talha to know the TRUTH and then keep quite is being implicit in the act. One cannot sit on the edge and make excuse…

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  310. Tammy says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    ChuckOrloski says, “Although I am not requested to reply, above…,
    Cannot answer as to how rulers of Islamic nations think, but our former-POT(Z)US George W. Bush thought that God tasked him to end Saddam Hussein’s tyranny in Iraq.

    Refer to The Guardian article link, below?”

    Thank you for the link, it is mind boggling.

    God bless you and all His Children. You make Price of Peace (as) proud for being his adherent. We Shia believe that we are adherents of Price of Peace, especially His Commandment, “to turn the other cheek”.

    Imam Ali (as) says, “if you hate anyone, you are only injuring yourself and no one else….”

    God bless you…..

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  311. Tammy says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik says, “that sounds like secular humanism Tammy”

    Thank you for dissecting my statements into insignificant little pieces. I feel sorry, for all those animals especially the frogs that you dissected in the Name of Science. You seem an expert, must have done a lot of them.

    Rurik says, “Is Islam the only path to truth?”

    No!

    If you taken the time to properly read I have already answered your question, when you asked me to explain you the difference between Shia and Sunni (concise). Like I previously wrote on many occasions said that a monkey can write, but it takes patience and an excellent mind to be a good reader.

    Rurik says, “well, according to the Internet it’s

    “a person who is not a Muslim””

    No!

    Both Kafir and Islam are verbs and not nouns:

    Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār; feminine كافرة kāfirah) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R “to cover”) meaning “one who covers the truth” or “one who covers something” also translated as “infidels” or “unbelievers”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

    It will take you many, many moons and still you won’t understand Arabic. Yes, according to ISIS, kafir is a noun. And, people claim that they understand the Holy Quran.

    Anyhoo, yesterday I got my two pairs of Jamo S628, that makes thirty pairs altogether. We are not talking about bookshelf speakers. I cranked up my satanic music and listened to Pink Floyd:

    And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it’s sinking
    Racing around to come up behind you again
    The sun is the same in a relative way but you’re older
    Shorter of breath and one day closer to death
    Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
    Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
    Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
    The time is gone, the song is over
    Thought I’d something more to say

    • Replies: @Rurik
  312. Tammy says:
    @Talha

    Talha says, “And as you mentioned, the Salafi-Wahhabi extremists are only a little bit nicer to Sunnis, having blown up and attacked many, many gatherings and locations of Sufi mausoleums and sich. Also it’s been a while since I posted this, but one of the first things ISIS did was go after some of the top Sunni scholars in Iraq:”

    Bullshit Talha!

    The Salafi-Wahhabi are very nice to Sunni, it is the Sufi who they murder like Shia, because Sufi theology is much more like Shia than Sunni. The Sufi theological leaders are same as Shia but the Sunni theological leaders are their political leaders.

    I am sorry, I won’t let you hide behind a Sufi. Sam Gasme mentioned, you being a Sufi and your answer was that you might be called a Eskimo and culturally you are that much far apart from Sufi.

    The Salafi-Wahhabi were in existence during the times of Prophet (saws) and the Prophet warned us about them. The first three caliphs who hijacked Islam, keep fanning the Salafi-Wahhabi. When Imam Ali (as) become the forth caliph, they rose against him and had him murdered. Since then, they came out in open and have been persecuting the close children of the Prophet and those Muslim who follow them. Talha, this is going on for more than 1500 years.

    And, who is carrying out the killing for Salafi-Wahhabi, it is none other than Pakistanis. Talha, you very well know all the facts but you try to cover (kafir) the TRUTH. Being a Pakistani, I don’t believe that you read, write or understand Arabic, therefore you are reading a translated Quran. Talha, you are lucky you live in USA and that you can openly expose the lies and tell the TRUTH without worrying being thrown in jail or your head being chopped off.

    God is TRUTH and anyone who covers TRUTH is a kafir. If anyone knows the TRUTH and doesn’t fear for his/her life and keeps quite, then he/she is complicit in covering the TRUTH.

    • Replies: @Talha
  313. Talha says:
    @Tammy

    Salaam Tammy,

    No, I’m a Sufi in the Naqhsbandi Order (not a very good student I may add), I think English is Not your first language so I can see where you got your interpretation. also, look up the band “Manfred Mann”.

    Technically, both “Islam” and “kaafir” are nouns. “Islam” is a verbal noun (called a masdar) as in “to submit” or “submitting” – the analog being “kufr” for the other word. But by definition they are nouns because they can start with alif laam (al-), take tanween, and can be put into khafd/jarr state by being preceded by huroof-jarr, etc. Don’t want to debate Sunni-Shiah stuff, but the OCD part of me can’t let that kind of a grammatical mistake slip.

    Now aslama/yuslimu and kafara/yakfuru are totally verbs.

    It seems you’ve called me a kaafir after complaining about this propensity from various Sunni groups against the Shiah.

    But please, carry on – don’t let me stop you – you’re doing fine.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Tammy
  314. Zumbuddi says:

    The Greeks had a far better idea — no enforced belief, no demand to interpret the myths this way or that .

    The Abrahamics – Judaism, Christianity, Islam — differ only in the degree of their suckiness.

  315. Robjil says:

    Gilad Atzmon talks about the insanity that we live in today in the west.

  316. @annamaria

    Solzhenitsyn was an honest man and excellent researcher. Only in a sick society, afflicted by PC and “guided “by the Lobby, Solzhenitsyn could be branded anti-Semite for being an honest historian.

    Well, exactly. I know that sarcasm doesn’t play well in forums like this, but I added the winky smiley so that there would be no doubt that I was doing so.

    It is well understood by me that Solzhenitsyn is a trustworthy source and all it takes to be smeared is to tell the truth. Smearing is an old Bolshie trick and it’s often used by the Izzies and their goons today.

    One good clue to who’s speaking the truth is to be aware of who the Izzies an their dupes are howling against, and I don’t mean that as sarcasm.

  317. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Sorry for the typo – should be kafara/yakfiru…

  318. Tammy says:
    @Talha

    Talha says, No, I’m a Sufi in the Naqhsbandi Order (not a very good student I may add), I think English is Not your first language so I can see where you got your interpretation. also, look up the band “Manfred Mann”.

    Technically, both “Islam” and “kaafir” are nouns. “Islam” is a verbal noun (called a masdar) as in “to submit” or “submitting” – the analog being “kufr” for the other word.

    Salam.

    Actually, your name makes me cringe. Yes, Talha the famous companion of the Prophet (saws). Six months after the demise of the Prophet, the First caliph abu Bakr sent Talha with an strong army to Yemen. WHY? Because, the Governor of Yemen refused to pay the charity tax to abu Bakr for not being the rightful successor of Prophet as you know many a times, the Prophet had nominated Imam Ali (as) to be his rightful successor.

    Note that, the Governor and the Yemeni Muslims didn’t refuse to pay the charity tax, they refused to pay it to abu Bakr. So abu Bakr called the Yemeni Muslims en masses infidels, and sent Talha with the strong army. The Yemenis were defeated and Talha raped the beautiful wife of the Governor. When abu Bakr heard about it, he said that Talha made a minor error. Like I said, the name Talha makes me cringe.

    Yes, you are right that English is not first language and thanks you for correcting me that “to submit” or “submitting” are nouns and not verbs. Many, many thanks.

    So, now we have established that English is your first language, we can further establish Arabic is your NOT your first language, and like many Pakistanis you are trying to learn Arabic from Lexicon. Hallelujah …

    Now, Islam is a verb “to submit”, which has potential to become a noun, “submitter”, thus it is called a masdar.

    BTW, congratulation Talha for being a Sufi. After the ISIS thingy, it has become fashionable for each and every Sunni to call themselves Sufi, even though they used to despise Sufi and kill them. Another, Hallelujah is in order ….

    • Replies: @Talha
  319. @Tammy

    Hi Tammy,

    Right back at you, God’s blessing be upon you.

    As we know, this article’s subject is importantly focused upon insidious Neocon infiltration of the Trump administration.

    As a Catholic, I am sincerely concerned about Jewish Neocon infiltration and influence upon Vatican-based leadership. From pulpit each Sunday at Mass, parishioners are beckoned to pray for US political leaders and military men & women, and a peep-petition resounds for peace, and in unison, Catholics respond, “Lord have mercy!”

    Never have I heard clergy call for an end to the immoral ZUS wars. Lord have mercy?

    To relentlessly harp upon Catholicism’s negative phenomenon here at U.R. would trouble me for fear of distracting attention away from Phil Giraldi’s ultra-important topic.

    In contrast to Sunni Islam, I trust the Shia leadership are less susceptible to Jewish Neocon subversion.

    My intention is to (constructively) speak up here at U.R., and to never “hurt” another… a-salaam aleikum, Tammy

    • Agree: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @Tammy
  320. Talha says:
    @Tammy

    Salaam Sis,

    Yeah – I could tell you had something personal against me. Also, your comments bring me back to the good old days in the 90s when Salafi-Wahhabis used to beat us over the head with their air of Arab superiority. I guess some things change and some stay the same.

    Please, carry on – your comments on who I am and what I believe are enlightening.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Tammy
  321. Wally’ s gonna love this; I certainly do. It confirms some suspicions that I’ve long held. Not only is the holocaust narrative bogus, but Hitler was not the anti-Semite he was smeared as. He appears to have had little beef with the money masters, whether they were goyim or Jews.

    The new [Jewish] prosperity was born in rearmament, and that was begun in the name of anti-Communism and anti-Semitism. Abyssinia, Spain and China have already shown that the new armaments race spells death, not for Jews, but for indiscriminate millions of helpless Gentiles, Africans, Chinese and whatnot. The profits from the armaments race will go largely into the pockets of Jews, because of their preponderant share in retail trade… Such is Hitler’s achievement in the cause of antiSemitism.

    I was talking one day to Z, a Jewish journalist expelled from Germany who has settled in Vienna, where he has a pleasant home and a motor car. He talked with bitter resentment of Germany. ‘Ah’, he complained, ‘the Poles murdered us, but the Germans have robbed us’, and it was quite clear from his tone which was the worse thing for him. Then he told me how his son was still working for a big German film company in Berlin and had thrice had his salary raised to induce him not to leave and emigrate, as he desired, wishing to join his father.

    The Jews. As I write, in Vienna, they are all about me, watching with non-committal, veiled, appraising eyes the comedy that is going on in Insanity Fair. They know that when Hitlerism has passed away they will still be trading in the Kärntnerstrasse.

    -Douglas Reed, Insanity Fair (1938), chapter 17

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Douglas_Reed_Books_pdf/Insanity%20Fair.pdf

    Many thanks to those who put me onto the philo-Semite, Douglas Reed. (Or at least he appears to have been pro-Jewish as of 1938 when he wrote that.)

  322. MEexpert says:
    @Tammy

    Salaam:

    No Talha, I am not going to give you a pass like MExpert does, especially to a Pakistani, where umpteen Shai are murdered on daily basis and no Sunni says anything.

    No Tammy, I don’t give pass to Talha. I have always called him out when I disagreed with him but I don’t call him names. He has called me misguided and I have returned the favor to him but that is different then name calling. Most people on this thread are ignorant about Islam. They have learned about it from the Media where the wrong information is spewed out by the neocons and Islam haters, such as, Daniel Pipe, Pam Geller, and Robert Spencer. Others like the anons or anonymous or other variations, although ignorant of Islam, try to show there knowledge by cutting and pasting from Wikipedia or someone else’s articles.

    It is unfortunate that the Sunnis in Pakistan do not speak out against the Shia killings. But this is to be expected when from the civil government and the military is on the take from Saudi Arabia. In a town called Hangu, people are taken out of a bus and based on their names, as they appeared on the ID cards, are separated into Shias or Sunnis. The shisa are then not only killed but their bodies dismembered while the army looked on. I have pictures to prove it.

    In different cities of Pakistan, several Shia doctors, engineers, academicians, and other professiosnals are killed and the killers are never found. No voices are raised, no protests. But one Sunni doctor is killed and the doctors and nurses come in the street protesting the murder.

    Malala Yousufzai gets a Nobel Prize for getting shot and became a poster child for the West. Hundreds of Shia girls are killed but nothing is heard from the Nobel Laureate. Shahbaz Khan is beaten to death in Charsadah and becomes a national symbol but hundreds of Shia students are murdered and no one says anything.

    You didn’t even come to the defense of Prophet when someone called him, “pedophile” astafgurullah. You sat on the edge. Either the Sunni came to Aisha defense by justifing the Prophet’s behavior or they sit on edge making an excuse we don’t want to get into Sunni/Shia thingy.

    Remember, Bukhari and Muslim are responsible for the two famous books. The “Rangeela Rasool” published in India and the “Satanic Verses” published in England both used Bukhari and Muslim in their defense.

    Bukhari and Muslim were paid to collect these particular ahadith. Others have quoted ahadith that measure up to Bukhari and Muslim criteria for authenticity, yet were rejected by them as not reliable. Aisha, who was a child, by the Sunni account and was with the profit for 10 years sharing that time with eight other wives becomes an authority on the profit as opposed to Imam Ali who was with him for fifty years. Bukhari and Muslim quotes many ahadith from her. Similarly, Abu Huraira became Muslim only after the battle of Khyber. By his own account he was with the prophet for two and a half years. Yet Bukhari and Muslim quote more than 900 ahadith from him. Aisha called him a liar. He himself that Omar beat him up for lying.

    Even in Iraq, the Sunnis preferred to live under ISIS rule in Mosul, Ramadi, and Fallujah than take a chance on Shias. They were happy to rule over Shia for all those years under Saddam and others before him while the Shias were in majority but afraid to be ruled by them. Go figure!

    If Talha is as much of a student of Islamic theology and history as he says he is, then I hope he has read Nahjul Balagha and if he hasn’t then he should. He should also read the two other books I have mentioned in this thread earlier; “the Right Path,” a correspondence between the head of Al-Azhar University and Grand Mufti for two terms and a Shia cleric Sayyid Sharafuddin and “then I was Guided” by Dr. Tejani.

    Tammy, you are doing a good job. Keep it up.

    Was Salaam

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Tammy
  323. @Talha

    Would you fine people kindly discuss the finer points of your theological differences in a more appropriate forum?

    What I believe needs to be emphasized here is that our common enemy consists of neocons and their lies and it’s my belief that your conversations regarding internecine or intramural differences (which appear to an impartial observer such as myself to be unsolvable), distract from the extremely serious issues that Mr. Giraldi is attempting to illuminate, and are therefore less than helpful.

    The fact that we’ve long been duped by liars seems to be the main issue at hand, and we should therefore preferentially direct our comments toward exposing and refuting the lies and the liars.

    I stand corrected if wrong, and I hope Mr Giraldi weighs in on this.

    PS: I wish to emphasize that I respect Talha and Tammy and the rest, so the fact that I’m posting this as a reply to Talha’s comment does not mean I’m singling him out for criticism. NO criticism is meant in any case.

  324. Zumbuddi says:

    Choices today are to participate in 6 hour “training” on Racism, run by Anglocans, or finish reading Controversy of Zion.

    Which should I do?

    If I go to train ing I’ll probably get angry & possibly make a fool of myself. But maybe I can redirect some people’s thinking, if I can stay cool

  325. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    To summarize: Are you are saying that the policy of the U.S. of selling munitions to all sides is a good idea?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  326. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey JS,

    Trust me, I’m very much trying to avoid getting into a theological scrap. I have made it clear multiple times I am not going to get into Shiah-Sunni polemics even though I have been baited quite a bit. I’m keeping my mouth shut. The time I did actually respond was to point out a mistake in Arabic grammar. I very much agree with you – this is not the forum to discuss these things.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  327. @jacques sheete

    Jacques Sheete courteously recommends to Talha “… we should therefore preferentially direct our comments toward exposing and refuting the lies and the liars.”

    Agreed, Jacques, above!

    As you’re aware, there are a few regular apostles of topic distraction / deception participating here @ U.R. comment section and dedicated agents of Exposure are… valuable.

    Ideally Talha will understand?

    Thanks, Jacques.

    • Agree: Talha
  328. MEexpert says:
    @jacques sheete

    Would you fine people kindly discuss the finer points of your theological differences in a more appropriate forum?

    I agree with you but sometimes people ask questions. It then becomes necessary to correct any misconceptions that people might have. I know it gets into much more detailed discussion than necessary but this is an open forum and I commend both Dr. Giraldi and Dr. Unz for their open mind and allowing people to express their opinions.

    Although seem far afield, these discussions are a result of neocons actions to split the Muslim world. When countries like Saudi Arabia, who claims to be the guardians of the two holy places, and UAE join hands with neoncons/Zionists and Israel, I am obviously being redundant here, and start attacking Iran and Yemen just for being Shia, the Shias cannot remain quiet. Especially, since Saudi Arabia is now the standard bearer of Sunni Islam. The US media repeat the neocon lies about Iran/Hezbollah and the Shias, the the american public needs to be educated and these wrongs must be righted, albeit in a small way, here in this forum.

    By the way, no one is forcing you to read these posts. If you don’t like them, just skip over them. That is what I do when some of the posts get away from the main topic.

  329. @jacques sheete

    Jacques:
    the labeling of Douglas Reed as either a philo- or anti- is inappropriate.
    if you have not read “The Controversy of Zion” then please do, and you will see that D Reed was neither, though he ended up having his career ‘disrupted’ by alluding to aspects of ‘the hidden hand’, and questioning of what was then just forming of a dogma of world domination.

  330. Tammy says:
    @Talha

    Talha says, “Yeah – I could tell you had something personal against me.”

    Salam Talha,

    I am surprised that you didn’t correct me that it was NOT Talha, who was sent by abu Bakr to Yemen, it was Khalid bin Whaled. Another colorful companion of the Prophet (saws).

    Talha and Zubair, the two colorful conjoined twins, companions of the Prophet, who got Prophet’s wife Aisha to fight against Ali. Due to my age, my memory is fading again.

    Talha, were both companions present with Aisha in the Camel’s War against Ali, or only one?

    Did Ali kill both of them or only one?

    • Replies: @Talha
  331. Tammy says:
    @jacques sheete

    jacques sheete says, “What I believe needs to be emphasized here is that our common enemy consists of neocons and their lies”

    Dearest JS,

    The people who are being massacred in the Muslims’ countries by Sunni are mostly Shia. They cannot differentiate the hands behinds these Sunni are Americans, Neocons, Jews or Zionists. They only see the Sunni…

    It is people like Talha who are fortunate who live in USA and Western Countries, who can speak the TRUTH to these head coppers without being themselves chopped to pieces and/or thrown in jails.

    Someone wrote that Dubya doesn’t know the difference between Shia/Sunni, if the enlightened people on this blog doesn’t know the difference between Shia/Sunni, then how can they stand up to neocons and their lies.

    It is time to call a spade, a spade….

    God bless you and love you. God bless all His children. Blessed be HaShem!

    • Replies: @HogHappenin
  332. MEexpert says:
    @iffen

    To summarize: Are you are saying that the policy of the U.S. of selling munitions to all sides is a good idea?

    When and where did I say that? Read my post again. US never appears in that post. The fact is I have never said that. I have always complained about the US arming all the terrorist organizations like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, and Israel. Problem is that the US politicians are controlled by Israel and by extension the big weapon manufacturers and those new weapons have to be tested. US is more than happy to get that done by supplying to all these groups.

  333. Tammy says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    ChuckOrloski says, “My intention is to (constructively) speak up here at U.R., and to never “hurt” another… a-salaam aleikum, Tammy”

    Salam Chuck,

    My intention is not to hurt anyone especially a fellow Muslim like Talha. My intention is to wake him up to stand for TRUTH….

    Love you and God bless you…

  334. but this is an open forum and I commend both Dr. Giraldi and Dr. Unz for their open mind and allowing people to express their opinions.

    Granted, but why not restrain ourselves before that liberty is removed?

    Although seem far afield, these discussions are a result of neocons actions to split the Muslim world.

    I completely agree and sympathize with that. However, you appear to be engaging in exactly the behavior that they want, and that’s part of my objection.

    By the way, no one is forcing you to read these posts. If you don’t like them, just skip over them. That is what I do when some of the posts get away from the main topic.

    Listen, you don’t need to remind me of that. In fact, I don’t read them for several reasons. Whether I or anyone else reads them is beside the point. The point is that this is not the forum to discuss such things and another is that there are better things to discuss here.

    My objection stands.

    PS: This is the type of snarky comment that causes me to lose respect rather rapidly. So if that’s your intent, you’ve succeeded.

    By the way, no one is forcing you to read these posts.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  335. Tammy says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert says, No Tammy, I don’t give pass to Talha. I have always called him out when I disagreed with him but I don’t call him names.

    …. Tammy, you are doing a good job. Keep it up.

    Salam brother,

    I have never called Talha names. Though, I really cringe when the names of the colorful companions are mentioned.

  336. @trixie dixie

    …the labeling of Douglas Reed as either a philo- or anti- is inappropriate.

    Well yes and no. He does try to be fair, I’ll grant you, but my intent was to emphasize that!

    I am generally against labels as well, but sometimes they cannot be avoided.

  337. Talha says:
    @Tammy

    Salaam Tammy,

    I already made it clear that I wasn’t about to get into a Sunni-Shiah scrap with you multiple times. I was quite clear and I know your English comprehension is at that level.

    As I said, please carry on and write as you wish – you have a free hand here and I’m not going to correct you on your claims about Sunnis. Enjoy.

    Wa salaam.

  338. Tammy says:
    @Talha

    Talha says, “have made it clear multiple times I am not going to get into Shiah-Sunni polemics even though I have been baited quite a bit. I’m keeping my mouth shut.”

    Wrong Talha.

    You are mistaken that if you think someone is trying to get you into Shia/Sunni thingy or you are being baited.

    You are being encouraged and prodded to speak the TRUTH.

    TRUTH has nothing to do with Shia/Shia or Allied Forces/Hitler.

    • Replies: @Talha
  339. @trixie dixie

    if you have not read “The Controversy of Zion” then please do,

    A copy of it is in my grubby paws as we correspond, and intend to shortly.

    First, I shall finish his “Insanity Fair” which I’m finding very illuminating. It’s full of insights that are my cup of tea. It’s chock full of evidence that the standard stories are all lies. The neocons spoken of here are liars of a similar tilt as those who lied us into war on the German people, and caused a real holocaust of tens of millions of goyim.

  340. @trixie dixie

    BTW, why do you think I used this qualifying statement?

    (Or at least he appears to have been pro-Jewish as of 1938 when he wrote that.)

    Did you not read the quote? It could be misinterpreted as an “anti-Semite” jab, and I wanted to make sure that didn’t happen.

    Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don’t!

    • Replies: @trixie dixie
  341. @Tammy

    Maybe one day when I will feel like it I will put a flashlight in your head.

  342. Talha says:
    @Tammy

    Why do I need to say anything when you are so happily providing everyone with the TRUTH. All we have to do is pay attention to what you say and we will all be enlightened.

    Please, carry on.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  343. annamaria says:

    In defense of war criminals in the US and UK: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/01/12/persecution-julian-assange/
    “The British excuse for a once proud government’s continuing servitude to Washington as Assange’s jailer is that by taking asylum in the embassy Assange jumped bail and therefore the British have to arrest him for not surrendering a second time to the police for an investigation that has been closed….
    Stefania Maurizi, an Italian investigative journalist for La Repubblica, smelling the stench of fraud that covers the entire case, has been trying for two years to get her hands on the correspondence between the UK, US, and Swedish governments pertaining to the case in order to pull back the shroud of the Washington-orchestrated propaganda that colors the case. A British tribunal refused to release any documents on the grounds that it had to protect the British Prosecution Service’s relationship with foreign authorities.
    That tells you all you need to know. Julian Assange has lost seven years of his life because stinking dirty Washington wanted revenge on Assange for exercising the US Constitution-protected right of a free press, and the stinking dirty governments of Sweden and Britain did Washington’s dirty work. What we know for certain is that Assange is totally innocent and that there is no honor and no integrity in the US, Swedish, and British governments. Law means nothing to the scum that misrule these countries.”
    – Well-deserved words.
    What else can be expected from these people? – “The alleged paedophile ring at the heart of the British Establishment” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  344. annamaria says:

    More about British prudes in high places re the imprisonment of Assange on the bogus accusations of “sex crimes”: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/esp_icke108.htm
    “The evidence for a massive pedophile ring infesting the royal palaces, Downing Street and the Westminster Parliament is overwhelming and mounting by the week. The implications of the full truth being revealed can hardly be overstated – the devastating discrediting of the major political parties and the end of the monarchy.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10953043/20-establishment-figures-in-elite-paedophile-ring.html

    https://news.vice.com/article/did-the-british-establishment-cover-up-a-political-pedophile-ring-a-new-zealand-judge-will-decide

  345. @annamaria

    … there is no honor and no integrity in the US, Swedish, and British governments. Law means nothing to the scum that misrule these countries.”

    Thank you.

    I’m not sure I can find any period of US history where the law was regarded as anything but. One can see it in today’s neocons in stark, vivid, living color. If one digs enough, one can see similar things going on during the world wars as well, yet people still think they were waged in the interest of peace, justice and stability.

  346. @Tammy

    The takfiri terrorists have spilled Sunni blood as well IMHO as can be seen in Nigeria and Egypt and Philippines, Iraq and even at times in Pakistan but they do have more “in store” for the Shia and the apparently “secular” minded it appears (ironically all those who do not pay “tribute” to the chosen ones or bend their knees like good goyim should).

    Nonetheless, as I’ve said and JS has added again, we DO NOT want to turn the comments section into a theological debate between the shia and the sunni. As it appears, there seems to be some irreconcilable differences between them like there is between the protestants and the catholics not to count in the various sub-sects like the evangelicals and the southern baptists who seem to have turned the bible on it’s head. Why can’t you guys accept your differences and aim your weapon at the right foe?

    So please re-frain from going “hog wild” with the theology if you will. Mr. Unz will you be so kind to weigh in here? This theological “debate” is going on like for-ever. Reminds me of that thread about Harvard limiting the Chinese and the Indians in which all the Indians went just Hog wild and the thread just wouldn’t stop itself!

  347. Tammy says:
    @Talha

    Salam brother Talha,

    I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings in any way or another. I truly apologize.

    The two persons whom I truly respects on this blog are Wally and JS, they both have earned it for being courageous in deeds.

    Blessed be HaShem!

    • Replies: @Talha
  348. Ron Unz says:
    @jacques sheete

    Although seem far afield, these discussions are a result of neocons actions to split the Muslim world.

    I completely agree and sympathize with that. However, you appear to be engaging in exactly the behavior that they want, and that’s part of my objection.

    Well, I haven’t read this enormously long 40,000 word comment-thread, or even Phil’s original column, but I happened to notice this comment, and glanced over the related discussion. It makes me wonder about a few things…

    Since this website doesn’t require any provable ID for commenting, there’s nothing stopping people from pretending to be who they aren’t. And “false-flagging” is a notoriously widespread practice among political partisans on the Internet, especially among fanatic pro-Israel activists.

    Now the topic of this column was the bad influence of pro-Israel Neocons in American policy circles, yet a huge fraction of the comments have instead focused on Shia-Sunni religious hostility, almost all of it promoted by a vast outpouring of angry attacks from a new commenter called “Tammy” who suddenly showed up just a few weeks ago.

    “Tammy” is purportedly a zealous Shia partisan who focuses almost exclusively on denouncing Sunnis, especially on religious grounds having nothing to do with Phil’s article and surely obscure to nearly all readers. So instead of having a comment-thread discussing harmful Neocon influences in American foreign policy, this thread is mostly about the Shia-Sunni religious dispute. I wonder who actually benefits from such a massive topical deflection?…

    Consider that Neocon-dominated America and its local allies are certainly the greatest current threat faced by the Shias of Iran, Hezbollah, and other parts of the Middle East. So if “Tammy” is actually a zealous Shia, “she” will surely now recognize the extremely counter-productive nature of “her” incessant attacks on Sunni religious doctrine, and immediately abandon her troublesome activities.

    And if “she” doesn’t do so, well then draw your own conclusions…

  349. Rurik says:
    @Tammy

    And, people claim that they understand the Holy Quran.

    Anyhoo, yesterday I got my two pairs of Jamo S628, that makes thirty pairs altogether.

    impressive!

  350. Rurik says:
    @Tammy

    But according to Rurik he is a doormat and should be hated….

    no honey, I never said he should be hated

    I call him a doormat because he demands (and rightfully so) the right of Muslim nation to live unmolested by invaders and evil doers from abroad, but then denies that same fundamental right to other people he obviously considers as kafirs and unworthy of self-determination.

  351. iffen says:

    Just imagine how many Shias have been killed because Tammy went OT.

  352. Talha says:
    @Tammy

    Salaam Tammy,

    No problem – all is forgiven – may God forgive us all of our tresspasses:
    “The Believers are but a single Brotherhood; so make peace and reconciliation between your brethren; and fear Allah, so that you may receive Mercy.” (49:10)

    Wa salaam.

  353. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    Rurik’s representation is a product of his own hyperbolic, xenophobic interpretation?

    well, calling him doormat isn’t a paean to his greatness, that’s for sure, but I hardly consider it hyperbolic.

    what I do consider hyperbolic is the suggestion that certain people, because of their skin color (white people only) have zero right to maintain their ethnic destiny, even in their ancient homelands. And I consider it particularly hyperbolic when those same white folks are dismissed as “xenophobic” for objecting to their further replacement and disenfranchisement and ultimate genocide. The suggestion seems to be that unless we’re eager to be shat upon and demographically replaced with others, then there must be some psychological malady with our minds.

    one really does wonder at how fucked up some people can be, that they expect others to want to be ethnically marginalized, discriminated against, and replaced, or there must be something wrong with them.

    whew

    Maybe they should just send Robin into Palestine to simply tell them that if they don’t want to be treated as less than human and replaced, that they’re just being “xenophobic”, and they should seek treatment

  354. Talha says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    This is a very interesting comment. I don’t know who is behind various identities here, but I do remember in my time in UCLA that when we did events or lectures against Zionism, we would get people masquerading as Muslims trying to split the community. A few times this happened with the culprit being a Persian Jew (of which many reside in the surrounding area). They could pass off very easily as a Muslim and knew enough to cause trouble.

    I am not saying this applies to Tammy or anybody else on this forum, but this is definitely a tactic I remember well, so it is wise to try to keep on topic like JS mentioned.

    For the record – and in defense of the top Shiah scholarship in the world, they have been producing fatwas that are calling for reconciliation – an absolute need of the times as you pointed out. Specifically in terms of forbidding – as haram – insults to various Companions of the Prophet (pbuh) including Mother Aisha (ra) and others:
    “Ayatollah Khamenei’s fatwa: Insulting the Mother of the Faithful Aisha is prohibited”

    http://english.khamenei.ir/news/3905/Ayatollah-Khamenei-s-fatwa-Insulting-the-Mother-of-the-Faithful

    “Religious Authority, Sistani condemns cursing Prophet Mohammed’s Companions”

    https://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/religious-authority-sistani-condemns-cursing-prophet-mohammed-s-companions/#axzz2mhF2OBA1

    Peace.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Tammy
    , @iffen
  355. MEexpert says:
    @Ron Unz

    Now the topic of this column was the bad influence of pro-Israel Neocons in American policy circles, yet a huge fraction of the comments have instead focused on Shia-Sunni religious hostility, almost all of it promoted by a vast outpouring of angry attacks from a new commenter called “Tammy” who suddenly showed up just a few weeks ago.

    Dr. Unz:

    But look at that bad influence. This influence is directly responsible for the chaos in the Middle East. The Middle East has turned into a battle ground between Shias and Wahhabis (Sunnis). All these groups have targetted Shias. First Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi told his people that “it is better to kill one Shia than to kill ten Jews.” Then comes Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi and repeats the same statement and both of these put their words into action and did kill thousands of Shias but not one Jew. I am not advocating killing Jews, just pointing out a fact. It does not stop there. Ayman Al-Zwahiri, the defacto Al-Qaeda leader in hiding, issues a fatwa along the same lines. To top it all off, the Imam of Makkah, an official of the Saudi regime issues the fatwa, from the pulpit, that Shias should be killed.

    You might ask, how does this tie into american foreign policy. Well! Look at the alliance. Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf monarchies are tied into the Israeli controlled american foreign policy. A tiny minority in Bahrain rules over almost 95% (now reduced to about 85%) shia majority. When they rise in protest, the protest is suppressed by the regime and when that failed Saudi Arabia marches in and kills hundreds of Shias and puts out the rebelion. What does the United States do? No protests, no condemnation but the Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff goes into Bahrain to assure them of continued american support. John Kerry goes to Riyadh to do the same.

    Look at all the wars in the Middle East. All are countries where Shias are being targetted. All the acts of terrorism have been committed by the Sunnis/Wahhabis but the american foreign policy is directed against Shias. The Media, complicit with the deep state and the state of Israel, propagates the lies about Iran and Hezbollah. American public buys into these false stories and are totally brainwashed. I have seen polls where majority of americans think that Iran already has nuclear weapons. In all this the mainstream Sunnis have been silent. Institution like CAIRE does not issue a single statement about these killings. America is concerned about the Human rights in Iran and Syria but doesn’t say anything about the Human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Egypt. What is happening in Yemen is a war crime with the US being a full partner in it.

    The point is that Dr. Giraldi’s article ties in very neatly with the Sunni/Shia divide because the neocons/Zionists and all those who control american foreign policy are fanning this fire between them to their advantage. But if the mainstream media will not publish the truth, then we will use the space your forum so gratiously provides. You can always stop it but then you will become part of the establishment.

    I await your response.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @RobinG
  356. MEexpert says:
    @Talha

    To start with, I don’t know Tammy. Actually, this is the first time I have seen her comments on this thread.

    For the record – and in defense of the top Shiah scholarship in the world, they have been producing fatwas that are calling for reconciliation

    Yes, but in how many American newspapers or TV news have you seen this? Is the general public aware of this? As a matter of fact, before your post, I would have said 99% of the readers of this site did not know this.

    Grand Ayatollah Sistani also issued a fatwa to the Iraqi forces and the volunteers concerning the Sunnis of Mosul, Ramadi, and Fallujah that they should not be harmed.

    On the other hand, how many Sunni ulema have denounced the Shia killings? Zero.

    Again, I am not starting a war. Just pointing out the facts. I will apologize in advance, if the Truth hurts anyone’s feelings.

    • Replies: @Talha
  357. Tammy says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz says, “Consider that Neocon-dominated America and its local allies are certainly the greatest current threat faced by the Shias of Iran, Hezbollah, and other parts of the Middle East.”

    Haha Ron, thank you for earth shattering fake news. USA needs Shias of Iran, Hezbollah, and other parts of the Middle East to destroy Israel. For this reasons, the last 3 POTUS are making them stronger and stronger.

    Like I said earlier, both sides are fake news of the same coin, giving a forum to help to let up the steam. Phil is an ex-CIA, and as they say, once a CIA always a CIA.

    Thank you for providing such a nice forum for open discussion. Seems lately, Netanyahu’s son is really helping his father ….

    God plans and satan plans, God is the best of planner….

    • Replies: @Robjil
  358. Tammy says:
    @Talha

    Talha says, Specifically in terms of forbidding – as haram – insults to various Companions of the Prophet (pbuh) including Mother Aisha (ra) and others

    Zip it Talha, no one has insulted your mother Aisha. What I have said earlier that the Holy Quran calls Aisha a liar. I have given the chapter and the verse for it.

    I apologized to you in good faith, even before Ron’s post, but it seems it is going over your head.

    Peace…

    • Replies: @Talha
  359. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Et tu, Talha?

    • Replies: @Talha
  360. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    I am not advocating killing Jews,

    Don’t you fret about that MEE, come the new Reich, all occupational specialities will be fully staffed.

    • Replies: @anon
  361. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Que? Now if you are talking about me blaming Jews for everything under the sun, that’s not my style. But this kind of thing has been a hallmark of many Zionist groups. The stuff I mentioned about UCLA, I witnessed with my own eyes.

    Peace.

  362. Talha says:
    @Tammy

    Please take up your arguments with Ayatollahs Sistani, Khamenei and show them where they are wrong, perhaps you can teach them the TRUTH.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  363. Robjil says:
    @Tammy

    Good article how the CIA creates divisions to control the middle east. Divide and conquer.

    http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/13834

  364. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Hey MEexpert,

    On the other hand, how many Sunni ulema have denounced the Shia killings? Zero.

    Hyperbole on this level does not help one’s credibility. I actually don’t know of a single Sunni scholar that hasn’t condemned extremist groups like ISIS and their indiscriminate killings of Shiah, Christians, Yazidis and other Sunnis – this is known even in Iran where their Sunni ulema have denounced it:
    “Following the horrifying acts of savagery, in Iraq and Syria, by ISIL, Iranian Sunni scholars denounce the terrorist grouping as a Western creation, urging all Muslims to form a united front against it.”

    http://ifpnews.com/news/world/middle-east/iranian-sunni-scholars-condemn-isil-savagery/

    Beyond the general condemnation of the takfiris, Sunni scholarship has even condemned specific incidents, for example:
    “His Eminence Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Dr. Ahmed Al-Tayeb condemns the suicide bombings in a Shia mosque in Al-Qadeeh, province of Qatif, Saudi Arabia”

    http://www.azhar.eg/observer-en/his-eminence-grand-imam-of-al-azhar-condemns-qatif-bombings

    Now if you are saying there are too many Sunnis not listening to these pronouncements and going gun-happy, then I fully agree with you – they need to listen to the ulema and stop the violence.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  365. Talha says:
    @Talha

    One of my favorite memories – and the brothers talked about this for years afterwards – still gets play when we get together and reminisce; the African American imam who spoke on a panel against Zionism told a disruptive rabbi – “Rabbi – sit yo’ butt down!”

    It was awesome!!!

  366. @Ron Unz

    So instead of having a comment-thread discussing harmful Neocon influences in American foreign policy, this thread is mostly about the Shia-Sunni religious dispute. I wonder who actually benefits from such a massive topical deflection?…

    I couldn’t have said it better myself!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  367. Robjil says:

    The CDC is planning a briefing on Jan. 16, 2018 about how to prepare for a nuclear attack. The constant neocon warmongering which Phil Giraldi is talking about is what we should focus on. Divide and conquer focusing will get us nowhere.

    http://theantimedia.org/cdc-nuclear-war/

    [MORE]

    (ANTIMEDIA Op-ed) — Sometimes it feels as if the mainstream media works in concert with government agencies to manufacture a perpetual atmosphere of existential terror. Reminiscent of the color-coded alerts issued by the Homeland Security Department during the early years of the War on Terror, we now get daily updates of a feud between two world leaders boasting about the relative sizes of their nuclear buttons while the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) calls for a public meeting to discuss nuclear fallout preparedness. The timing is extraordinary, but not unexpected in what Hunter S. Thompson called ‘the Kingdom of Fear.’

    We’re revolutionizing the news industry, but we need your help! Click here to get started.

    In a briefing ahead of the January 16th session, the CDC said:

    “While a nuclear detonation is unlikely, it would have devastating results and there would be limited time to take critical protection steps. Despite the fear surrounding such an event, planning and preparation can lessen deaths and illness.”

    The session will occur during the agency’s monthly Public Health Grand Rounds, a community symposium hosted by Atlanta’s CDC headquarters, and will feature talks entitled “Preparing for the Unthinkable” and “Roadmap to Radiation Preparedness.”

    Despite North and South Korea holding talks for the first time in three years later this month, tensions have escalated between North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un and President Donald Trump. The tough talk between them started almost immediately after the brash billionaire insurgent took office. Trump, who felt previous presidents had tread too carefully with the rogue dictatorship, responded to Jong-un’s intercontinental ballistic missile tests by promising “fire and fury.”

    The most recent exchange started when Jong-un stated:

    “The entire United States is within range of our nuclear weapons, a nuclear button is always on my desk. This is reality, not a threat. This year, we should focus on mass-producing nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles for operational deployment. These weapons will be used only if our society is threatened.“

    Trump, hearing that the only trigger for North Korea’s use of nuclear weapons was to be threatened, promptly threatened him with a tweet comparing the size of their buttons (which, of course, is a mischaracterization of official nuclear protocol):

    Over the weekend, Mike Mullen, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under both former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, said such talk is creating uncertainty that other superpowers, like Russia and China, can take exploit. He also said we’re closer to nuclear war with North Korea than we’ve ever been.

    The communications director for the Public Health Grand Rounds, however, confirmed that the CDC’s nuclear safety meeting is not related to the recent rhetoric and was planned well in advance.

    However, notice of the safety hearing follows Guam’s Homeland Security and Office of Civil Defenserelease of a two-page fact sheet describing what to do if a nuclear war begins. In December, Hawaii reinstated a monthly nuclear warning siren system test that hadn’t been used since the end of the Cold War.

    The announcement of the CDC’s nuclear fallout safety meeting came with a photograph of a nuclear bomb blast.

    President Trump on Saturday that he would “absolutely” be willing to speak to Jong-un over the phone if certain preconditions were met.

  368. RobinG says:
    @MEexpert

    Earth to MEexpert: how does “Tammy’s” confrontational approach help heal the Sunni/Shia divide? I regret initially encouraging this creature who not only fans the fire, but abuses the commentariat with passive-aggressive denials, to wit, “her” pretense of innocence (of fake News accusations) with old Woodchuck.

    Now “Tammy” has directly accused Ron of spreading Fake News – using as “her” evidence the fantasy that the US is supporting the Shia crescent to defeat Israel. ((This gives new meaning to the term whopper.)) Then she tries to discredit Phil. Okay.

    How does this “Tammy” add up? An elderly woman living in the Levant who listens to Pink Floyd at high volume, yet (feigns?) such poor command of English. Those who lamented the absence of trolls are failing to see the forest.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Talha
    , @Tammy
    , @Tammy
  369. MEexpert says:
    @RobinG

    Please take that up with Tammy.

  370. Art says:
    @jacques sheete

    Would you fine people kindly discuss the finer points of your theological differences in a more appropriate forum?

    jacques sheete,

    Theological discussions are a matter of faith, and therefor personal – be they Christian, Jew, Sunni, or Shia. When it comes to faith there are no right or wrong answers.

    It should not be so – but, tribal elites in the ME are using these differences in faith to their political advantage. Fostered by an elite few, people are killing and dying over theological unprovable faiths.

    It is my opinion, today’s ME wars are instigated by Jews. I think that the Jews are mendaciously getting the Sunni and Shia to poke each other in the eye. Where there had been relative peace – now thanks to the Jews, the two Muslims are at each other’s throats.

    It would be good for all, if we focused on the Jews – not our Christian, Sunni, Shia differences.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Talha and Tammy are valued members of the UR community. Lets us hope they can stay focused on the real shared problem of Jew Zionism.

    • Agree: MEexpert
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @RobinG
    , @Tammy
  371. MEexpert says:
    @Talha

    Hyperbole on this level does not help one’s credibility.

    I know about the Sunni Ulema in Iran and the one from Al-Azhar but who else. The Grand Mufti of Al-Azhar also said he is the only one authorized to issues fatwas but it hasn’t stopped others from doing it. This is not a hyperbole. It is a fact. How many people in Pakistan have condemned the targeted killings and bombing of mosques and Imambargahs. There are too many examples where the Sunni community has kept quiet. I am not talking about occasional voice but in general. The blowing of the shrine in Samarra, Iraq or the attack on Sayyida Zainab shrine in Syria, just to name a few. Has anyone said anything about what is going on in Bahrain? Have you heard anything about the killing in Hangu?

    I can go on and on, but I don’t want start another war. The facts are facts.

  372. Robjil says:

    It is very ironic that Trump mentioned that he wished for more people immigrating from places like Norway. In 1968, a Norwegian 90 year old woman predicted a nuclear war would happen in the near future. Before it happened, she said that there would many refugees fleeing from poor countries into Norway. This has already happened. When the nuclear war happens, people would flee in the opposite direction that is from Norway to the poor countries. The poor countries would not accept the Norwegians. The neocon wars are leading us to this future. We have to stop their nonsense before this old woman’s vision comes to life. It is very possible that the poor countries would not allow us (western countries) to enter their countries after all what the US’s deep state and neocons have done to almost all the poor countries on our small planet.

  373. iffen says:
    @Art

    When it comes to faith there are no right or wrong answers.

    Well, sure, philosophically speaking.

  374. RobinG says:
    @Art

    Let’s see…. “Tammy” comes on to UR and repeatedly pokes Talha in the eye. Now “she” has poked Ron and Phil in the eye. This makes her a “valued member” of the UR community?

    • Replies: @iffen
  375. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Hey RobinG,

    How does this “Tammy” add up?

    Actually, you may have answered in your next sentence…

    An elderly woman living in the Levant who listens to Pink Floyd at high volume

    I’m not exactly sure what the effects of Pink Floyd repeated at high volume are on the human psyche, especially on the elderly.

    Peace.

  376. @NoseytheDuke

    Prince Charles: “Surely some US president has to have the courage to stand up and take on the Jewish lobby in US? I must be naive, I suppose!” “I know there are so many complex issues, but how can there ever be an end to terrorism unless the causes are eliminated?” he asks.

    http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2017/11/12/prince-charles-letter-urges-us-confront-jewish-lobby/

  377. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    come the new Reich, all occupational specialities will be fully staffed.

    don’t talk trash, dude.
    The New Reich has been here all along.
    Patience is our long suit.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    whackjob

  378. @jacques sheete

    Hi Jacques,

    What I write now had nothing to do with your comment to Ron Unz.

    Due to the volatility happening now at this comment-thread phase, I would even find part-per-million relief had Maven Shama, InZItatus, and FB trio made appearances.

    At any rate, I want to ask a question that’s been on my mind since the day I was at Jerusalem’s Mount Scopus Hotel (January 1981) and when an announcement was made about the release of American hostages.

    Can not provide one iota of proof, but I surmise President Jimmy Carter and Secretary of State Cyrus Vance enjoyed the goodwill of elite and powerful US Zionists. (Calling U.R. Special Research Division, geokat62!)

    In short, President Carter had to KNOW that his reelection bid against Reagan could have used a dramatic bombing of Teheran and even perhaps a vigorous & failed hostage release effort. The only shits-and-giggles staunch liberal Democrats and AIPAC-ers got was “The Debacle in the Desert.”

    At this point, Jacques, I want to connect with that shady deal involving a DELAYED hostage release spearheaded by ZUS Vice President G.H.W. Bush and officials representing Ayatollah Khomeini’s theocracy. (Zigh) How’s that for a stale late-1980′s shit sandwich and crookedly “influencing” an presidential election?

    (Dear Jesus!) Even prior to Trump’s having taken his (deceptive) oath of office, there were Corporate Media scandals coming from every imaginable source regarding which Trump affiliate spoke to this-or-that subversive Russian official.

    Can go on a few more paragraphs, but this is what I think happened.

    The Zionists foresaw an opportunity to temporarily empower the energized Iranian Shia government and irredentist-revolution in anticipation of aiding & abeting a long and bloody war against Sunni Moslems which festers to this very scary day.

    Bottom line, I used to think that there was merely run-of-mill Zionist election finagling in between the JFK assassination / coup and ZUS President G.W. Bush’s magical SCOTUS-driven assumption of power.

    Now I intuit President Carter and Secretary Vance played their key & hapless role in the greater Zio scheme, including temp-Camp David glory, got thrown beneath the NYC-Tel Aviv bus, and nobly went on to become “better” and often dissident American (?) men.

    Thanks, Jacques, for reading this stuff.

    Post scriptum: June 1999, I participated in the D.C. “March on the Pentagon” in protest of Clinton/NATO’s barbaric bombing of Yugoslavia. Standing east about 100 yards from the Pentagon, I listened to Cyrus Vance deliver an impassioned speech to the war protestors.

  379. @ChuckOrloski

    I listened to Cyrus Vance deliver an impassioned speech to the war protestors.

    Yes, and…???

  380. Zumbuddi says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    It WAS Carter who gave Golda Meier the OK for holohoax museum in DC, right?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  381. @jacques sheete

    Jacques,

    Orthodox priests stood nearby as Vance took to the podium where a flag was raised. In background is Potomac River and nearby me stood Orthodox priests dressed like Brother Nathanael and carrying signs, “Stop NATO bombing.”

    Regrettably, I have no pointed memory on the speech essence, and I can not find a transcript. I do recall one weird incident though.

    While crossing Memorial Bridge, two Columbia students (on bicycles) started to heckle me and Montenegro-born friend, Dr. Njegos Petrovic as we marched. Relentlessly, these two guys rode beside us and preached how evil was Milosevic for killing innocent Kossovars who only wanted a free homeland.

    Naturally, I do not recall seeing any war protestors who (outwardly) appeared to be Islamic. Was a very cool elderly woman present who wore a hemp dress, and at any moment could have belted out, “One, two, three, four, what are we fighting for?!”

    Looks like you’ve taken a pass on my comment’s larger issue…, but such is alright with this nosey Woodchuck.

    Good night and thanks, Jacques!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  382. Robjil says:

    All Americans and westerners should watch this video. This Isreali says Al-Qaeda and Isis are OK and Israel takes care of their injured troops. He says both never attacked Israel. The interviewer then mentions that supposedly Al-Qaeda attacked the US, the main friend of the Israel. Such deception on a grand scale, coming out of this horse’s mouth. Obviously proof beyond doubt that Israel did 911 with the US and created Al-Qaeda and Isis.

  383. Zumbuddi says:
    @jacques sheete

    Can’t speak for Chuck, but there’s something about Being There that gives an event lasting importance

  384. @jacques sheete

    Hi Jacques and All!

    I must make confession!

    Prologue: Feel very foolish especially given my having taunted Tammy about her taking hits on hash pipe.

    Feel disgraced… it was actually Ramsey Clark who took to the (June 1999) podium and spoke out against the bombing of Yugoslavia. (Ouch) Not Cyrus Vance…, I better stick with driving school bus.

    Very sorry, friends and foes!

  385. Given the agenda,

    if there was no Israel, I think the interventionist grand narrative/strategy of US or democratic primacy would still be in play.

    By grand I don’t mean “super” or “great”. It’s a reference to broad explanation of a phenomenon. Iran. Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia N. Korea would all still be targets for regime change as would some other states.

    We would still be talking about rogue actors, and international financial networks promoting a move towards one system of dominance conforming to one currency.

    Israel’s focus is Israeli survival. It may be outsized and paranoid, but I don’t think they seek anything more than a wide birth of self preservation — regardless what it costs others.

    It’s a tough sell — an operational relationship between Osama Bin Laden and Israel.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  386. @ChuckOrloski

    Looks like you’ve taken a pass on my comment’s larger issue…, but such is alright with this nosey Woodchuck.

    Sorry, but I’m absorbed in some Douglas Reed and the reading had been exciting but has turned a bit turgid. It’s taking discipline and concentration to plow through it. I’m nearly finished with “Insanity Fair,” and hope to dig into “The Controversy of Zion” soon.

    Back atcha later!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  387. @Zumbuddi

    Zumbuddi question to me: “It WAS Carter who gave Golda Meier the OK for holohoax museum in DC, right?”

    Hi Zumbuddi,

    My memory short-circuited moments ago and I screwed up By NOT naming Ramsey Clark as the “American Hero” who spoke at the June 1999 D.C.-based March on the Pentagon.

    Regarding your piercing question above, I must do penance and shut up.

    Otherwise, I don’t pretend to know the answer anyway, Zumbuddi. However, maybe the old museum deal with Golda Meir was like the Embassy one made between AdelStrump and Netanyahu?

    (Zigh) Must strive to restore credibility prior to Russian New Years Day.

    Thanks, Zumbuddi! Great question. Good night!

  388. @jacques sheete

    Jacques: “It’s taking discipline and concentration to plow.”

    Got that.

    These sorry days of ours, Jacques, it’s much easier to bow than it is to “plow.”

    Am going to get a retro-Brainwash refresher course now by watching Hogan’s Heroes on METV. Repeat, repeat, conform, conform, repeat, be happy, “I know nothing, nothing!”

    Thanks.

  389. Tammy says:
    @RobinG

    RobinG says, “Earth to MEexpert: how does “Tammy’s” confrontational approach help heal the Sunni/Shia divide?”

    When it comes to upholding the Prophet (saws) reputation against the lies of Aisha, there is no such thingy as Sunni/Shia.

    RobinG says, “but abuses the commentariat with passive-aggressive denials, to wit, “her” pretense of innocence (of fake News accusations) with old Woodchuck.”

    Like I have written umpteen of times, that it takes a monkey to write, but to be a good reader, it takes patience and an excellent mind. Due to my screen name Tammy (Wynette), ChuckOrloski thought I am a triple deplorable. A woman, from South and who listens to Country & Western music. Since then, bless his heart, he has apologized twice. BTW, my wife of 46 years is from South. She is my Dixie Chicken (Little Feet).

    RobinG says, “Now “Tammy” has directly accused Ron of spreading Fake News – using as “her” evidence the fantasy that the US is supporting the Shia crescent to defeat Israel. ((This gives new meaning to the term whopper.)) Then she tries to discredit Phil. Okay.”

    Again, I have written umpteen of times, that it takes a monkey to write, but to be a good reader, it takes patience and an excellent mind, you would have noticed in my above post #33, I am saying the same thing, if you cared to read it:

    Post #33 : Ron Unz is another courageous man. I wish and pray to God, that people like Ron Unz, Philip M. Giraldi, Paul Craig Roberts, Saker and their likes to move away from FAKE NEWS too, and tell us the TRUTH.

    Evil can be fought only with TRUTH…..

    I have said this umpteen times too that both sides are Fake News. One side we like and one side we don’t.

    RobinG says, “How does this “Tammy” add up? An elderly woman living in the Levant who listens to Pink Floyd at high volume, yet (feigns?) such poor command of English. Those who lamented the absence of trolls are failing to see the forest.”

    I have never feigned that I have a poor command of English. People think that I am a Muslim, Arab and from Middle East, I must be a deplorable. When Obama gave Putin, Crimea on a Silver Platter, I wrote on Saker’s blog, “that both Obama and Putin are in cahoots”. There was an uproar on Saker’s blog, some claimed I have lost my mind, and others claiming that since English is not Mohamed’s (real name) first language, he doesn’t know what does “cahoots” mean.

    Now a question for you and I have posted this question several times and no one has answered me so far. I hope that you will not sit on the edge like Talha (about his mother) and answer my question.

    Question: We all subsequently know now that Flynn has lied twice to FBI about being in touch with Russian Ambassador during Trump’s transition and some have raised eyebrows that being in security service himself, he must know better that FBI will be recording the phone conversation of the Russain Ambassador. Twice, one for UN veto against Israel and second time for in regard to Obama’s sanctions on Russia.

    According to Muller, he is concentrating his investigation on first 18 days of Trump’s Presidency, during the time Trump took Office and Flynn’s resignation. In those 18 days, Trump has asserted that he never told Flynn to get in touch with Russain Ambassador.

    Now in your opinion, who you think gave Flynn the orders to get in touch with Russain Ambassador, if it wasn’t Trump?

    BTW, I believe Trump when he said that he didn’t give the order. So, who was it?

    Blessed be HaShem!

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Robjil
  390. @EliteCommInc.

    “Israel’s focus is Israeli survival.” No doubt this is why there are frequent attacks by Israel’s “Defence Forces” within the sovereign territory of their neighbours. I mean, if a nation were to be truly focussed on its survival this would definitely be the way to go, right?

    Are you for real? No need for you to answer that one, you already have.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  391. Tammy says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    ChuckOrloski says, “Post scriptum: June 1999, I participated in the D.C. “March on the Pentagon” in protest of Clinton/NATO’s barbaric bombing of Yugoslavia. Standing east about 100 yards from the Pentagon, I listened to Cyrus Vance deliver an impassioned speech to the war protestors.”

    Salam my brother,

    Yes, due to my old age, I do sometimes confuse names too. No biggie. When Bubba was done with his impeachment from “That Woman” he assembled his troupe which included his usual Jewish cabinet and Vice President Gore (God bless him) to announce the Balkan wars to get the attention away from “That Woman”. It is nice to watch once a while Fake TV News, just for body language. One can tell from Gore body language that he hated it being there within President Bubba and his troupe.

    And, he knew there and then that as the next President with a year, that he will inherit this evil. There and then he decided he don’t want to touch the Presidency with a 10″ long pole.

    When he made Dubya uncomfortable in one of the debates, my wife of 46 years from South, said that he lost the election there and then. The final tally for electoral vote was Dubya 271 and Gore 266. He didn’t need the 18 votes of Florida, if you add his 4 votes for his home State of Tennessee. It then becomes Dubya 267 and Gore 270.

    He won by popular vote too, but he was not interested in counting the “chads” in Florida, as he was given the chance by the Supreme Court of Florida, but they wasted that important day by closing the shop. His only interest was to show the world and for the history books, that he won both the electoral votes and popular votes and that Dubya cheated. He was just not interested in the Presidency and even had a fake affair as an insurance policy.

    His VP choice was Lieberman, a dud. Who didn’t resign from Senate to run like a real VP candidate does.

    God bless you….

    Mohamed

  392. Tammy says:
    @RobinG

    RobinG says, An elderly woman living in the Levant who listens to Pink Floyd at high volume, yet (feigns?) such poor command of English.

    I never claimed that I am from Levant. Gasme Sam claimed that I was from Levant and that I want to move to USA. I corrected him that I am from GCC. Since then, he is very nice to me thinking GCC is a friend of Israel and there is infighting within GCC. Fake News as usual.

    My wife of 46 years, who is from South, she and I decided long time ago that we will make my country of birth as our domicile.

    Thus, not giving a chance to anyone like Rurik to call me a “doormat” because I am angry and I speak my mind.

    Blessed be HaShem!

  393. @jacques sheete

    I think I am going to take a hiatus from Unz Review for a while. Phil’s great articles seem to be continuously hijacked by various factions with their own axe to grind, leaving the rest of us to have to wade through post after post of unrelated (and frankly uninteresting) diatribe.

    It began with the hasbarats, who now seem to be content to sit back and watch these threads get destroyed by others. Now we have these debates on shias and sunnis. Sorry to be blunt, must most of us couldn’t give a damn one way or the other, and the more these debates hijack these threads, the less we care.

    Phil’s articles have to do with how Jewish power is destroying our nation and those of others in the ME. Unless you all can tie in how that is affected by Shias and Sunnis hating each other is related to our current crisis, besides the US exploiting them both, I implore you to take your respective unrelated agendas elsewhere. I assure you that you are not earning our sympathies, but our disdain. I would advise you to take an alternative strategy to evangelize your respective causes, rather than piss off the rest of us who come here to discuss Phil’s article(s).

    Unz Review remains one of the last few Internet sites where one can have serious discussions about our foreign and domestic policy, including Israel’s oppression of the Middle East. Pissing off those of us who do support you against Israeli mischief, isn’t the smartest move.

    Hopefully, when I return, we can go back to discussing Phil’s articles.

    • Agree: jacques sheete, renfro
  394. Tammy says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz says, Consider that Neocon-dominated America and its local allies are certainly the greatest current threat faced by the Shias of Iran, Hezbollah, and other parts of the Middle East.

    Shalom Ron,

    I really trust Hassan NasrAllah (being the progeny of the Prophet (saws)) when he tells Israelis to leave Israel and go back home to Europe as the next war will be the end of Israel. NasrAllah doesn’t lie, though he might not be able to deliver what he promises, but I don’t think he makes threats very easily.

    You and Phil are good people, and the Truth comes out no matter, how one tries to convey it. As Phil has already conveyed that Russiagate has turned into Israelgate.

    Not only Israel is in trouble, but Netanyahu is personally in trouble too. The recent outburst of his son, while being drunk. Netanyahu goes to bed every night, thinking that Trump is his best friend, and the corruption thingy will go away. But I bet every night he wakes up sweating what is going to happen to Israel and to him personally. The dices are cast.

    The Shia, Pillars of Islam are different than Sunni. The first Pillar is same which is Monotheism. But the second Pillar for Shia is that God is Just. And, God promises in the Holy Quran, “allah plans and satan plans, and allah is the best of the planner”. I am a very optimistic person, as someone made a comment to me at Saker’s blog, “I see half glass as full glass”. Faith and Hope are two things that get me going. And, of course my satanic music….

    God bless you, Phil and all His children. God to shine the Light on all His children so that we won’t be at each other throat.

    Blessed be HaShem!

  395. Tammy says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Cloak And Dagger says, Pissing off those of us who do support you against Israeli mischief, isn’t the smartest move.

    Are you for real. You rape our countries, murder our people, calling our Prophet a pedophile and do you really believe that we are fucking vying for your sympathies. Take your sympathies and shove them where the sun never shines.

    If the Jews are destroying your country, then it is not our fault. Oh yes, don’t piss us off or you will have no sympathy from us for Jews’ mischief.

  396. Robjil says:
    @Tammy

    Crimea was not given to Russia on a silver platter. The US took over Ukraine with trained Neonazi dogs. Russia took back Crimea from the US. It was a good thing for humanity that some country finally to stood up the US/UK/Zion empire. Th empire was caught in a mousetrap. Crimea was only given to USSR Ukraine in 1954 without a vote. In 2014, at least the people had chance to vote. They were given a vote with Nuland’s choice. The US/UK/Zion empire use of Neonazis to take over Ukraine is what woke me up. Before then, I did not take much interest in world news. I thought the 911 thing was “really” done by rapid Islamics and not the US/Zion empire. I thought the Nazis were so terrible that the US/Zion empire would never touch them with even a ten feet pool. The Islamic terrorists were “real”and “scary”. This destruction of Ukraine for the greed of the US/UK/Zion empire is what woke up. Crimea wasn’t given on a silver platter to Russia. Over 10000 people or more died from constant shelling of civilians in the Donbass. Crickets about this attack on civilians in the “civilized” west. Imagine that Canada was taken over by rapid Neonazis or rapid Islamics created by foreign power. Imagine that these rapid crazies would then shell and kill thousands of pro-Americans civilians on the American border for over three and half years. This is what is going on in the Donbass right now. Donbass was also a “given” area to USSR Ukraine from Russia in 1922. It wasn’t Ukrainian in 1922 and it isn’t in 2018.

  397. Tammy says:

    Robjil says, “Crimea was not given to Russia on a silver platter.”

    Khrushchev who was an Ukrainian gave Crimea to Ukraine during his reign as the Premier of USSR. Never dreamed in his life, that one day USSR won’t exist. USSR was kicked out from Middle East by the Evil Kissinger.

    After 9/11, Russia cooperated with USA. Without Crimea Russia is not a Military Power let alone a Super Power. Russia has naval access to Mediterranean through Crimea, from Mediterranean Russia has access everywhere, including to its base in Tartus Syria, which was maned by a small contingent of contractors. The other naval route for Russia is through Antarctica (long, long, long way).

    Both Obama and Putin are not angels and they are both selected to lead their countries. They both look after their respective countries’ interest for which they are elected. Crimea was given to Russia on a Silver Platter without firing a shot so Russia can be in the Middle East (Syria) again. Putin is not in Syria because he is an angel as Saker would like you to believe, but he is there for his own interest. He is not in Syria for the terrorists as some would like you to believe, but to become a Super Power again for helping USA for 9/11.

  398. Robjil says:
    @Tammy

    Russia has the Baltic Sea and it has the Pacific Ocean, so the Arctic is not Russia’s only option. It also has lot of land on the eastern Black Sea. Crimea is important because it is in the center of the Black Sea. The people of Crimea would have be genocided if they stayed with US Neonazi ruled Ukraine. So it was a very good call by Putin to take back Crimea for that reason. Russia was pulled into Syria because Russia did not want to see another country destroyed for the Neocon agenda. Libya’s destruction for the neocon/ NATO agenda was so uncalled for and destructive that it woke Russia. Russia is the only country that can stand up to the US/Zion empire. The entire real free world is very glad Russia stood up to the US/Zion empire in Syria and Crimea. Though we wish he stood up more for the people of the Donbass.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @NoseytheDuke
  399. This place is completely infested with sickos.

    Also notable in terms of the potential for US involvement, which also affirms that Russian suspicions are not mere “paranoia,” is that one of the high level planners behind CIA operations in Syria, former CIA Acting Director Michael Morell, declared publicly that “we need to make the Russians pay the price” in Syria by “covertly” killing them via proxies.

    The CIA’s Morell said the following in a televised Charlie Rose interview at that time:
    Morell: We need to make the Iranians pay the price in Syria; we need to make the Russians pay the price.

    Rose: We make them pay the price by killing Russians and killing Iranians?

    Morell: Yes. Covertly. You don’t tell the world about it. You don’t stand at the Pentagon and say we did this. But you make sure they know it in Moscow and Tehran. I want to go after those things that Assad sees as his personal power base. I want to scare Assad. I want to go after his presidential car. I want to bomb his offices in the middle of the night. I want to destroy his presidential aircraft. I want to destroy his presidential helicopters. I want to make him think we are coming after him.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-12/we-know-who-they-are-putin-claims-state-provocateur-behind-terrorist-drones-syria

    • Replies: @annamaria
  400. @Cloak And Dagger

    I think I am going to take a hiatus from Unz Review for a while.

    I believe UR has a blocking function. I think I’ll try that first.

    It’s increasingly clear to me that a certain commenter is a hasbara troll posing as a Muslim.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  401. @jacques sheete

    It’s perhaps worth mentioning that revisionists like Irving attribute any German crimes in the East to men like Himmler, not Hitler.

  402. @Tammy

    Putin is a true patriot, yes. But Obama looked out for American interests, by which I assume you mean the interests of the bulk of the American population? I am sorry, but that is pure delusion.

  403. annamaria says:
    @Tammy

    “Putin is not in Syria because he is an angel as Saker would like you to believe, but he is there for his own interest.”
    — Correct. Please take a look at a geographical map to assess a degree of proximity of Russian Federation to the troubled areas along her southern border. Russians had more than enough of fanatical Islamists’ terror already (see, for instance, Beslan tragedy, https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/tragedy-in-beslan-2/2/)
    Russians do not want to see the US (Israel)-guided Al-Qaeda/ISIS’ “freedom fighters” moving en masse towards Russian federation, hence their help to the bloodied Syria where ISIS (the US/Israel/Saudis’ creation) could be effectively decimated. Also, Syria is a multidenominational country; it is only natural for Russian Christians to help Syria. — The zionized US military is not tuned to such trifles. http://www.renegadetribune.com/truth-seeker-united-states-military-become-zionized/

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  404. Zumbuddi says:
    @Robjil

    How can you logically put “US” and “neoNazi” in the same phrase/sentence/synaptic chain?

    Weren’t Nazis the implacable enemy of US and indeed of ALL ‘civilization’, the defeat and obliteration of whom was so important to the continuance of life on earth that all of Judayoo-Christianity United to carry out CRIMES against humanity of an unprecedented scale, against the German and Japanese people?

    Didn’t USA’s Greatest Generation proudly execute those CRIMES against humanity to destroy those Nasty Nazis?

    SO What’s up with US now in league w/ neoNazis?

    Is Kagan-Nuland mocking us dupes & suckers who slaughtered our Christian brothers — but Judahite enemies while Jews pocketed the booty?
    Nay Nay! The heavens revolt at the mere suggestion.

    SO was it the case that, in 1933 & 1935 & 1939 the Nasty Nazis weren’t the monsters we’d been led to believe?

    One or the other set of facts has got to be true in order for the conjunction of US and NEO NAZI to be anything other than an absurdity.

    Heil HaShem! (pbuh).

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @annamaria
  405. MEexpert says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Phil’s articles have to do with how Jewish power is destroying our nation and those of others in the ME. Unless you all can tie in how that is affected by Shias and Sunnis hating each other is related to our current crisis, besides the US exploiting them both, I implore you to take your respective unrelated agendas elsewhere.

    I was not going to comment on this thread on this topic any more but your post intrigues me. You have every right to take a hiatus if you so desire. As you have stated above, the Jewish power and Jewish influence of American foreign policy is destroying America. America is in a trillion dollars debt. America’s prestige in the world has tanked. Whatever prestige it had left, is being destroyed by a street bully in the White House. The congress of the United States is completed owned by the State of Israel and uses its power to impose sanctions on Iran, Hezbollah, Syria, Yemen, and Lebanon all because they are Shia. Lebanon sanctions are because of Hezbollah.

    The US and its allies, Israel and the Sunni monarchies are destroying the Middle East. They created the Sunni terrorist groups ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, and score of “moderate” terrorists and rebels and are using them to kill Shias. And you say the discussion doesn’t have to do anything with Sunni/Shia conflict.

    Here are the direct consequences of the influence of Israel over US foreign policy:

    1. Hezbollah (Shia), a resistance group, is declared a terrorist organization? Israel pressured the United States and by proxy other nations to declare them as such and they impose sanction on it. Hezbollah has never attacked the US.
    2. The US declares, Iran(Shia) as the state sponsor of terrorism. Totally false charge. US/Israel claim, without proof, that Iran has Nuclear weapons and impose sever sanctions, thereby destroying Iran’s economy, causing hardship to the Iran’s population.
    3. US/Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Monarchies (Sunni)/Israel are destroying a poor nation (Yemen) because of Houthis (Shias). For two years, that poor nation has been bombed relentlessly, by the weapons supplied by the US and intelligence to guide those attacks.
    4. Bahrain Government (Sunni) is killing the protesting Shia population and Saudi Arabia attacks Bahrain and helps them carry out the killings. The US, because Bahrain hosts the 5th fleet, assures the Bahrain government that they are OK.

    I can add few more examples , but I hope you get the idea that the US, Israel, and the Sunni monarchies are allied to destroy Shias in the Middle East and elsewhere.

    What Tammy started was in response to someone’s question about the Shia/Sunni differences. These various wars are the result of those difference, and are been waged due to the Israeli influence on US foreign policy and the coziness of the US government with these monarchies. What Tammy writes, in her or his own way, may be unpleasant to Sunnis but it is true and the information is available in their own books or the Qur’an. It was the king of Jordan (a Sunni) who coined the term “Shia Crescent,” which sent a wave of terror in the hearts of other monarchies for no good reason.

    If you want to understand the conflict in the Middle East, you have to understand the underlying causes. Americans need to understand the differences between Shia and Sunni, before calling all Muslims as terrorists. They like to paint every Muslim with a broad brush. Why is it for the US/UK/Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies/other European nations to attack Syria in support of rebels, uninvited by the Syrian government, because they think Bashar Al-Assad is a Shia. But these same governments complain when Al-Assad invites Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah to help. During this time Israel sends out some planes to bomb the Syrian target.

    Why are only Shia governments targeted for regime change? Why not Saudi Arabia or Bahrain?

    I apologize for the length of the response but it needed to be said. I could have only done this because of the generosity of Ron Unz. I think we should all appreciate that such a forum exists.

  406. Tammy says:

    Zumbuddi says, Is Kagan-Nuland mocking us dupes & suckers who slaughtered our Christian brothers — but Judahite enemies while Jews pocketed the booty?
    Nay Nay! The heavens revolt at the mere suggestion.

    Add to that Malaysian Airline. One which dispersed in thin air and the other one got shot down over Ukraine.

  407. Robjil says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Yes, that is what woke me up in 2014. The Nazi boogieman is endlessly played out in western mockingbird press. Yet, suddenly out of nowhere in 2014 Neonazis are great for US/Zion regime tools to take over Ukraine for US/Zion interests. Math is math and this does not add up. Something was out of place here. After this US Neonazi coup, I started questioning everything western mockingbird press says. In doing so, I uncovered that 911 was Zion/US false flag. I know that the National Socialists were not the big boogieman in the 1930s at all. They were demonized for creating a money system that worked outside the Rothschild system. This was their main big “fault” in the 1930s.

  408. Tammy says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert says, What Tammy writes, in her or his own way, may be unpleasant to Sunnis but it is true and the information is available in their own books or the Qur’an.

    Salam brother,

    I will refer again to you and those all who are interested in the Sunni/Shia divide to check out the following thread at Saker’s blog. I have posted on the Saker’s blogs (old and new) under my own name, “Mohamed”, since Saker was introduced by Pepe Escabar at Asian Times. Also, those want to know more about me they should visit the following thread and read my comments on on this thread and other threads as I am an open book.

    [MORE]

    After the Prophet

    by Hamza Haidar

    Who I am: A student of Islam

    I am an ordinary Muslim (albeit a weak one at that). I am not a religious scholar. I am not a scholar of any type. I live in the West and am originally from Egypt.

    Being Egyptian by birth, you can say that I grew up a Sunni although I really was just brought up as simply a Muslim, yet of course a lot of the history we were taught and took for granted to be correct was according to the Sunni view.

    About 5 years ago I discovered the Ahlul Bayt school of thought. Ahlul Bayt literally means the family of the Household (i.e. the Prophet’s Household). The Shia school of thought (or Mazhab) is the Ahlul Bayt school of thought. Shia literally means “followers of or supporters of”.

    I came to the Shia view intuitively, through reflection on the condition of the Muslim world. I recall wondering why, for a people that have the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet from amongst them, why the Muslim world is in the backward, incompetent, destructive and enslaved condition that they are in. This bothered me greatly.

    As a result, I came to the conclusion that something must have gone wrong. Then I started researching what happened after the Prophet departed from this world. I came to the conclusion, which to me seemed as clear as the sun, that the Muslim world and the organized Religion must have been hijacked after the Prophet.

    Then the Shia school of thought very clearly and succinctly explained this. Whilst I whole heartedly subscribe to the views and knowledge of history of the Shia’s, I nevertheless am still just a Muslim. Albeit a Muslim who have had his view of history corrected. This is the crucial point to highlight, the difference between Sunni and Shia is really one of knowledge of, or rather acknowledgement of, history.

    http://thesaker.is/after-the-prophet/

    Mohamed

  409. Tammy says:
    @Art

    Art says, “p.s. Talha and Tammy are valued members of the UR community. Lets us hope they can stay focused on the real shared problem of Jew Zionism.”

    Thank you Art for your faith in me and your continued support. A friend in need is a friend indeed.

    God bless you and all His Children,

    Mohamed

  410. @annamaria

    Of course the Russians are pursuing firstly national, and not humanitarian, interests in Syria. (As Putin has said well, nations have interests, not friends.). But these are not incompatible, and by pursuing their legitimate interests and routing Zio-American terror, the Russians are as well relieving the terrible suffering of the Syrian people. Simply ask: who is more on the side of right here: Russia or America? The answer is fairly obvious, I think.

  411. @jacques sheete

    It’s increasingly clear to me that a certain commenter is a hasbara troll posing as a Muslim.

    JS: yes that was clear to me over a week ago when I commented on threads being hijacked. They also seem to flip flop between gender. If you figure out how to block certain commenters, please let me know.

    To Ron Unz: I know that you don’t want to censor your site, and I fully support that. However, if you could provide us a means to selectively block posts by certain vitriolic commenters who add nothing to the discussion but serve to derail it, that would be greatly appreciated. It is really hard these days to sift through the ton of long posts that make no point and consist of ad hominem attacks on some of the more credible posters here (e.g. Talha).

    I have to admit that this is a new twist on hasbara techniques to assume Muslim identities and seeming to be an authority on Islam, but visibly causing a rift between the various muslim posters. Divide and Conquer.

    I was going to take a hiatus from UR, in the hope that all this would blow over in a short time, and then I could return. But, it occurs to me that this is exactly what the hasbara trolls want – getting the serious commenters to leave under a barrage of trash posts. So, I am not going to do that. Instead, I will carefully tiptoe around the garbage, ignoring these obvious disrupters without feeding the trolls.

    My plea to the other serious commenters is to do the same. Don’t take the bait and feed the trolls. Don’t reply to their comments even if your fist is clenching with the desire to smack them down. A blocking function would aid greatly, but even in the absence of one, we can make them wither and die by just ignoring them. Dogs may bark at you as you cross the street, but you ignore them to get to the other side.

    Brave patriots like Phil deserve our support. Don’t let these trolls drown out his voice.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @ChuckOrloski
  412. @MEexpert

    Why are only Shia governments targeted for regime change? Why not Saudi Arabia or Bahrain?

    I am going to assume you are not a troll as your past posts don’t seem to reflect that.

    I think that it is inaccurate to state that a government is Shia or Sunni when it comes to being targeted for attacks. Saddam and Gaddafi were not Shia to the best of my knowledge, and they were destroyed. We attack countries that don’t toe the line as per our imperialistic desires, controlled as we are by Jewish banking powers. It is not in the best interest of Israel for there to be peace in the Middle East as that would thwart their intent to annex the lands of their neighbors, and we are Israel’s BFF.

    Saudi Arabia is not targeted for regime change because they are our obedient puppets. We like to keep those tyrants in power to make sure they don’t rise against Israel. We hate Iran, Syria, and Lebanon because we can’t seem to control them. We also hate Russia, China, and North Korea for the same reason – they are obstacles to our global hegemony. We don’t like Venezuela either – they don’t seem to know that we are the boss.

    So, I don’t believe that our imperial overreach has anything to do with being partial to Sunnis or Shias. We are fully able to exploit them both and pit them against each other. We will do what is necessary to cause strife in foreign lands far from our shores. If you obey us and don’t threaten the dollar, we will look the other way while you pillage your own people or those of your neighbors (like Yemen). When you have outlived your usefulness, we will discard you like a red tampon.

    Your being a Shia or a Sunni is only important to us in giving us a handle on how to control you.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
    , @MEexpert
  413. Ron Unz says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    However, if you could provide us a means to selectively block posts by certain vitriolic commenters who add nothing to the discussion but serve to derail it, that would be greatly appreciated.

    Actually, the website has offered exactly that feature for the last year or two, and I’m a bit surprised you’ve never used it.

    Just click the “Agree/Disagree” button to open up the popup on a Commenter you don’t link, and then click the “Ignore Commenter” button. All past and future comments from that particular individual will now be hidden, although you can individually unhide them if you want. Your “Ignore” list is saved in a permanent cookie on your browser, and can be updated at any time.

    There’s also an opposite selection called “Follow Commenter,” which creates a list of Commenters whose remarks will always be highlighted and are grouped together on in the Comment Archive.

  414. Art says:
    @MEexpert

    Why are only Shia governments targeted for regime change? Why not Saudi Arabia or Bahrain?

    MEexpert,

    Good question. Sunni/Shia/Jew?

    I see Sunni Wahhabist and Zionist Jews working together. I see (in different ways) Sunni Arabs and Jews attacking America. I see Sunni and Jews attacking Christians and other minorities in the ME.

    I see Shia fighting against those who are attacking Christians and other minorities.

    Hmm – Sunni attacking good guys – Shia fighting bad guys. Facts are facts.

    When Tammy first came on UR – I applauded her – she was enthusiastically anti-Israel – now she is fighting with everyone – now most of her posts are Sunni/Shia diatribes that distract us from our focus on the true negative power in the ME – Israel. I ignore them.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Trump is wrong – Israel is the “shithole” of the Earth.

    • Replies: @Tammy
  415. @Cloak And Dagger

    Cloak & Dagger said: “They also seem to flip flop between gender.”

    Thanks for noting the trickery, above.

    (Zigh) And to think how I horsed around with the name “Tammy” as if Shia-he was a Hyena-she?

    Going forward, I will keep in mind the late-David Bowie song “Rebel, Rebel,” especially the memorable lyric, “Don’t know if he’s a he or a she.”

    Thank again for the heads-up, Cloak And Dagger!

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  416. @Ron Unz

    Really stupid of me not to have looked there! Thank you! This will make this site much more navigable for me.

    I am immediately highlighting my favorite commenters!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  417. Tammy says:
    @Art

    Art says, I see Shia fighting against those who are attacking Christians and other minorities.

    Hmm – Sunni attacking good guys – Shia fighting bad guys. Facts are facts.

    How true!

    Here are some videos of Christians in Lebanon, honoring Hassan Nasrallah…

    Mohamed

  418. Talha says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Good point – the US was super chummy with Iran (Saudis were close to Iran also) when the Shah was in charge.

    I think even Mr. Giraldi can speak to that from an ex-CIA perspective.

    Peace.

  419. annamaria says:
    @jacques sheete

    Morell is a mediocrity and committed opportunist; he has zero respect from the competent and honorable intelligence officers. It is not for nothing that he is called “perfumed prince” by the professionals. Morell is a courtier. His recent behavior re Trump reveals him a traitor in service of previous administration. Morell exemplifies the depth of problems that the US national security apparatus has been experiencing for some time.

  420. annamaria says:

    On the “most moral:” http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/01/syria-volume-of-al-qaeda-propaganda-forecasts-syrian-army-success.html
    comment section:
    “…when that Gaza flotilla that Ken O’Keefe was on in 2010 was attacked by the Israelis – the people on board managed to capture 2 Israelis ‘commandos’ – that is –two men in uniforms that were trying to kill them. What did they do with them? These killers? They patched up their little wounds and sent them back to their friends – the other Israelis – that were driving the helicopters – airplanes and boats – that assassinated 10 passengers with bullets to the heads at close range – and that were seriously trying to sink that entire ship ”

  421. Talha says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Was also one of the reasons Saudi money helped put Sisi in power in Egypt:
    “A decision by Egypt’s new president to travel to Tehran for a summit of the Non-Aligned Movement this week reflects a major foreign policy shift for the Arab world’s most populous nation, after decades of subservience to Washington.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/visit-by-egypts-morsi-to-iran-reflects-foreign-policy-shift/2012/08/27/4baf4b3a-f060-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story.html?utm_term=.7ee5b371c6df

    Peace.

  422. @Talha

    Of course. It goes without saying that divisiveness is one of the oft-used constructs for control we have employed in the past and continue to do so. I remind myself that there are nearly 2 billion muslims in the world of which the terrorists (if you can distinguish between the terrorists and the freedom fighters) number in the mere thousands, if not less. This is what statistically-insignificant means. I look to people like you, Talha, as being more representative (albeit more articulate than average) of the muslim majority.

    You are right, Egypt, Jordan, etc. are all controlled by us. I have come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion of smoke and mirrors and false flags. Most terrorists are either CIA/Mossad assets or patsies (like the 7/11 bomber, and the brothers in the Boston marathon) who got snared into doing the dirty, or just being framed for it.

    In the age of the Internet, there is no excuse for people not doing their own research and sifting through the info to determine that Sunni/Shia strife is a deliberate fabrication to divide people. Even an outsider to the ME as I, can see the puppet strings that are being used to have you all fight among yourself to distract us from what is really going on.

    So, I advise all, that when you see efforts to divert the conversation from the topic at hand: Jewish control of our government, media, and finances, to subvert our domestic and foreign policy to our detriment and to the profit of a foreign nation, beware. As my pal on the Internet, renfro, often reminds us: cui bono?

    I have a couple of Pakistani engineers in my company who are Sunni muslims. When I ask them about Saudi Arabia, they spit on the ground and curse that nation. It is obvious to me that being a Sunni is not a tie that binds (apologies Phil!) Sunni-majority countries, just as being Christian doesn’t bind Christian nations in tribal unity.

    So, let’s get back to the topic at hand: what do we do about these neocons?

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  423. @Cloak And Dagger

    I look to people like you, Talha, as being more representative (albeit more articulate than average) of the muslim majority.

    That has to be the stupidest and most ignorant thing I have ever written! Too late to edit! Sorry Talha!

    • Replies: @Talha
  424. MEexpert says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Saddam and Gaddafi were not Shia to the best of my knowledge, and they were destroyed.

    Both Saddam and Gadhafi, both Sunnis, were destroyed partially for personal reasons. Bush Jr. wanted to take revenge for Papa Bush and Gadhafi was a pet project of madam Hillary. Saddam had to go because the US wanted a base in Iraq near Iran.

    I think I have mentioned this before, the original plan was to surround Iran from all four sides. Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey and Iraq. Unfortunately for the US, both Turkey and Turkmenistan refused to allow any attacks on Iran from their territory. US got bogged down in both Afghanistan and Iraq disrupting the original plan.

    We attack countries that don’t toe the line as per our imperialistic desires, controlled as we are by Jewish banking powers.

    This is partially true. However, in this case, the Sunni Arabs have allied with Israel and that leaves only the Shia Iran, Hezbollah, Iraq, and Syria. Iran and Hezbollah not only do not toe the line as per our desire but they also pose a perceived threat to Israel and hence they have come to the top of the list. Iraq is a confusing situation for the US. They had hoped for a “cake walk.” The neocons and the Chalabi group of Iraqi insiders had completely misread the situation in Iraq and were caught off guard.

    The US had hoped to install a puppet Shia government and thought they could control it. This turned out to be another mistake. Grand Ayatollah Sistani’s insistance on the new constitution and the call for a general election compounded problems for both Paul Brenner and George Bush. They both had to yield to his edict and lost control when a representative Shia government took control. The US now had no other choice but to go to plan B. Enters Al-Qaeda, led by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, to create chaos and started a one-sided sectarian war. They started killing Shias. Also remember, it was the king of Jordan who coined the phrase, “the Shia Crescent.” Thus the Shia/Sunni conflict was officially born.

    When that did not accomplish the task, the US killed Al-Zarqawi and brought in ISIS. I think everyone agrees that ISIS was a US/Israel creation. They were well organized and well trained group of foreign fighters brought in for a purppose. For a time they did achieve their goal and took over the Sunni part of Iraq. The US already had allowed the Kurds to control the other third of Iraq. Enter Grand Ayatollah Sistani again and issued a fatwa calling all Iraqis to defend their homeland. The result, ISIS was routed out of Iraq in less than three years compared to 30-40 years predicted by the US military.

    The point is that the target was Iran, is Iran, and will be Iran until the US/Israel achieve their elusive goal. I say elusive because it is not going to happen. Whether it is because who toes the line and who doesn’t, the fact remains that the thrust of the current wars in the Middle East is against the Shias. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah (Lebanon) and Russia on one side and the US, Israel, and all the Sunni Gulf monarchies on the othert side. Now the US is trying to pressure Pakistan to use her territory to launch an attack on Iran from the South through Baluchistan area.

    Yes, at one time Iran and Saudi Arabia, both client states of the US, were friends but it was only because the US wanted it that way. The target then was the Soviet Union. 1979 revolution disrupted that plan. By the way, the Shah was not a Shia. He was a Zorostrian.

    Rest assured, I am not a troll.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
    , @iffen
    , @Art
  425. Returning to the topic of our foreign policy controlled by neocons, Pat Buchanan poses an interesting question in his recent post:

    China shares a border with the North, but is not treaty-bound to fight on the North’s behalf. Russia, too, has a border with North Korea, and, with China, was indispensable to saving the North in the 1950-53 war. But Russia is not committed by any treaty to fight for the North.

    Why, then, are Americans obligated to be among the first to die in a second Korean War? Why is the defense of the South, with 40 times the economy and twice the population of the North, our eternal duty?

    Why indeed. How much more evidence do we need to wake up as a people and realize that those who rule us, do not have our best interests at heart? How do we end the control of our destiny by venal and corrupt denizens of the beltway, who are so easily and cheaply bought off by a tiny foreign power that is propped up by our hard-earned tax dollars?

  426. MEexpert says:
    @Talha

    A decision by Egypt’s new president to travel to Tehran for a summit of the Non-Aligned Movement this week reflects a major foreign policy shift for the Arab world’s most populous nation, after decades of subservience to Washington.”

    Salaam:

    And look what happened to President Morsi. The duly elected President of Egypt is rotting in the jail. The country that wants to spread democracy around the world is not only looking the other way but rewarding the General, or Field marshal, or whatever he is called today, Al-Sisi the Egyptian dictator.

    Was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  427. renfro says:
    @MEexpert

    If you want to understand the conflict in the Middle East, you have to understand the underlying causes. Americans need to understand the differences between Shia and Sunni, before calling all Muslims as terrorists. They like to paint every Muslim with a broad brush. Why is it for the US/UK/Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies/other European nations to attack Syria in support of rebels, uninvited by the Syrian government, because they think Bashar Al-Assad is a Shia.

    First— many of us completely understand the Sunni-Shia divide and the entire ME game so you and the tammy- one -note- johnny are wasting our time.

    Second —-you need to understand the US gov doesn’t give a rats ass if the countries we smash are Sunni or Shia.

    Third—and most important—the US in the ME is under the influence of both Israel and Saudi—until you get that you are pissing in the wind with your essays on Sunni and Shia.
    The Shai are being attacked because of their threat to the regional influence of the Sunni throne in Saudi.
    The Israelis want every ME country overthrown or under the yoke of the US so Saudi is their temporary partner in the Sunni Shia conflict

    The real fireworks are going to be when and if some time in the future Sunni Saudi prevails over the Shia nations and then Israel will move to knock the Saudi Sunni ME hegemon off their throne so Israel can be the one and only supreme hegemon in the ME.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  428. @MEexpert

    Both Saddam and Gadhafi, both Sunnis, were destroyed partially for personal reasons. Bush Jr. wanted to take revenge for Papa Bush and Gadhafi was a pet project of madam Hillary. Saddam had to go because the US wanted a base in Iraq near Iran.

    Speculative, but plausible rationale for deposing both Sunni leaders, but hardly indicative of a tendency to only attack Shias. We attack whomever we want if it serves the interests of Israel.

    the Sunni Arabs have allied with Israel and that leaves only the Shia Iran, Hezbollah, Iraq, and Syria. Iran and Hezbollah not only do not toe the line as per our desire but they also pose a perceived threat to Israel and hence they have come to the top of the list.

    Again, the target is Iran for its enmity with Israel, not because of its Shia characteristic (most of us couldn’t tell the difference between a Shia and a Sunni if our life depended on it).

    The point is that the target was Iran, is Iran, and will be Iran until the US/Israel achieve their elusive goal.

    Wait! It seems that we are violently agreeing! My whole point is that it has nothing to do with any of these countries being Sunni or Shia – it has to do with which country is an obstacle to Israel’s intent to acquire real estate in West Asia and North Africa.

    Rest assured, I am not a troll.

    I didn’t think you were – it was your affinity with a now-exposed troll that led to that suspicion.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  429. @renfro

    The real fireworks are going to be when and if some time in the future Sunni Saudi prevails over the Shia nations and then Israel will move to knock the Saudi Sunni ME hegemon off their throne so Israel can be the one and only supreme hegemon in the ME.

    Game of Thrones indeed.

    For me the real fireworks will occur when Israel gets the US to fight Russia/China, leaving it remaining as the sole surviving world power. Dante’s Inferno realized.

    he had three faces: one in front bloodred;
    and then another two that, just above
    the midpoint of each shoulder, joined the first;
    and at the crown, all three were reattached;
    the right looked somewhat yellow, somewhat white;
    the left in its appearance was like those
    who come from where the Nile, descending, flows.

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @Robjil
  430. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Salaam Bro,

    I think that was exactly the point C&D and I are making. Much more than anything else, your alignment is what is most important to the Zio-USA-Saudi foreign policy establishment. Your being a Sunni or Shia country has little to do with it. They don’t care about what the masses want, they will help put in rulers that toe their line.

    I think Turkey realigning itself towards Russia and Iran is likely something they can’t do anything about since it is just too powerful to take on – though attempts at coups is obviously not past them.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  431. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    So, why doesn’t Iran just save everybody a lot of grief and get with the program? How hard can that be?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @anon
  432. Robjil says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    The Deagal. com site has the US population of 2025 as being 54 million. Yet now it is over 300 million. It has been saying this for years. Why does it think the US population will go down so sharply in only seven years?

    Home :: Guide to Military Equipment and Civil Aviation – This is what the site advertises to be all about.

    http://www.deagel.com/country/United-States-of-America_c0001.aspx

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  433. MEexpert says:
    @Talha

    Salaam,

    I agree.

    In the beginning it had nothing to do with being a Shia or Sunni, although the US did want to divide Iraq into Sunni/Kurd/Shia regions. King Abdullah of Jordan introduced the Shia Crescent angle and all the Sunni monarchies fell in line behind it thus making it a Shia/Sunni conflict.

    Was-salaam

  434. MEexpert says:
    @iffen

    So, why doesn’t Iran just save everybody a lot of grief and get with the program? How hard can that be?

    Here we have all these diplomats spending hours and hours trying to diffuse the situation in the Middle East while milllions are dying and the solution was right there in front of everybody’s eyes. It took a genius like iffen to point it out.

    Hey iffen: Let me tell you a secret.

    Did you know that there is a secret agreement between Iran and the big weapons manufacturers in the US. Iran acts belligerant, the Saudis and the likes get scared, and the US gets to sell all the weapons to these dumb monarchs for big bucks to make America Great Again.

  435. @Robjil

    I would put it as not so much a case of Russia taking back Crimea rather that Crimea chose to be taken back by Russia. A small change in wording but a huge change politically.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  436. Talha says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    No sweat! I have to admit, far too many Muslims fall right into the trap by being bloody idiotic and just acting outright ignorant – and right in front of the cameras too. We have plenty of work to do on our side to improve things so legitimate criticism is totally warranted.

    Peace.

  437. @Cloak And Dagger

    I think it is rather the case that both Saddam and Gadhafi were seeking ways to receive payment for oil in currency other than UD$ by creating a system backed by a gold Dinar, this was repeatedly mentioned at the time. That, if correct, means that the Rothschild empire was being directly challenged and war was the inevitable consequence.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  438. Art says:
    @MEexpert

    MEexpert,

    When telling that story one must put in 9/11 – it must not be ignored.

    Scratch 9/11 and it bleeds JEW!

    Then everything else, falls into logical place.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. “Nine eleven” are the last two words that Jews want to hear – PERIOD.

  439. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks for noting the trickery, above.

    The other thing to note that, first, the person claims to be a grandmother who shouldn’t be the object of someone’s lust, then claims to have a wife for 46 years from the US south, and starts signing their post as Mohamed. Anyway, not going to waste any more thought energy on this putrid entity, and now that Ron has shown me how, it is forever blocked from my browser. I would advise you all to do the same and let the creature die from being ignored.

  440. Robjil says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Yes I agree. The people of Crimea asked to go back. Russia said yes. Crimea was given to Soviet Ukraine in 1954 without a vote. In 2014, it was given to US control without a vote. The people of Crimea have enough of being tossed around, so this time they wanted a chance to vote their choice. Odd that the western world was in uproar about people voting for a choice.

  441. @NoseytheDuke

    Saddam and Gadhafi were seeking ways to receive payment for oil in currency other than UD$

    Yep – I wrote above that we hate anyone that threatens the dollar, hence Russia, China, Iran, …

  442. @Robjil

    The Deagal. com site has the US population of 2025 as being 54 million. Yet now it is over 300 million. Why does it think the US population will go down so sharply in only seven years?

    Not sure why this random Internet site is significant and why we should care about their forecast?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  443. Summer 2012, author Christopher Bollyn mailed Congressman Ron Paul his book “Solving 9/11″ and in return received the following polite response.

    “August 24, 2012

    Dear Mr. Bollyn:

    Thank you for the copy of your books Solving 9-11. I look forward to reading them. It is always a pleasure to receive books from authors such as yourself.

    Thank you for taking the time to pass on your knowlege of this very important subject. Please rest assured that I will continue to fight to restore limited government under the Constitution of the United States.

    Sincerely,

    Ron Paul”

    Interesting, eh?

    To All,

    It’s all necessary and good to expose NeoCons and the (engineered) forces of imposed national fear, deception, and the Corporate Media’s perpetual presentation of Zio theatrical illusion.

    I appreciate how Mr. Bollyn gave an example of the Lavon Affair and showed how wickedly determined Israelis were to keep Britain & the U.S. in Egypt at the time of (Arab unifier) Gamal Abdel Nasser’s rise to power in Egypt, 1954.

    The Neocons featured in this timely article by Mr. Giraldi will do anything it takes to keep Americans in fear of “Islamo-Fascist” terrorism, including SUPPORT it. *

    Have no idea whether or not Ron Paul had read “Solving 9/11,” but given our pitiable national “insouciance,” Neocons will continue to flourish with UNLIMITED federal government and render obsolete the U.S. Constitution.

    (Zigh) Jewish Lobbies & Neoconservatives have given “diverse” America something much worse than a Shia-Sunni split.

    Thanks & Happy Russian New Years Eve!

    * Senator Rick Santorum (zio-R. Penna.) became presidential timber by howling about “Islamo-Fascism.”

  444. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    why doesn’t Iran just . . . get with the program?

    What program?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  445. @NoseytheDuke

    Let me begin by challenging the notion that I am trolling. It’s a tiresome assail and I hope my comments are not perceived in that manner.

    In response, consider the environment if one thinks they are surrounded by enemies. Whether that is a real or imagined scenario that is Israel’s position. In response, she contends that she needs buffer zones from various threats – real or imagined.

    Israel is making two arguments.

    1. all of former Israel should hers — maybe so, but there is clearly legal barriers to that being the case and I think she should abide by them. But clearly the cities she putting up in occupied territory is to that end. Curiously, the international community has not seen fit to stop those settlements, so Israel is compelled to continue.

    2. The side benefit is that it does provide a buffer between Israel and her perceived enemies real or imagined.

    Both 1 and 2 cause a good deal of turmoil. This two serves Israel’s interests because she uses said turmoil as evidence of her plight and hence justification for rather abusive behavior in my view. Israel doesn’t have much use for a territorial stake to the greater Middle East. She doesn’t have the population, nor the resources to sustain it. It is sufficient that the US and most of west provide ample cover. The neoconservative, now just interventionist strategy employs Israel because it is assumed she is loyal and useful. I have my doubts about how useful, but sixty years of US -Israeli relations suggests that our politicians thinks so — primarily cold war environments. But in examining Israel’s behavior during that period and now — Israel has been more than willing to cause US direct harm by spying and her occupation behavior is just annoying and hampering to our agenda.

    That aside, my comment is to the interventionist agenda — it would exist even if Israel did not or was not treated as an ally. Make no mistake, Israel is planning for a day when she has no allies including the US.

    Finally there is this, Rome, Greece, Germans, Great Britain, France, Russia, Egyptians, Chinese . . . and others established or found buffer zones strategically important. Minus natural buffer zones, mountains, deserts, oceans, rivers, etc., they created them via walls motes or the use of allied states. Never under estimate the value of self interest. In the case of Israel and her paranoia real or imagined the turmoil outside Israel proper is part of what she considers the price. And while I might agree that if she ceased land grabbing and stopped bull dozing Palestinian homes, treated Palestine as a state instead of her own personal playground — a good of tension might be reduced. In her view, it is not in her best interests to do.

    Interventionists goals in the region serve her purposes, so she will certainly manipulate the same to her advantage.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @L.K
    , @annamaria
  446. geokat62 says:

    Rather than speculating about the motivations for targetting Iraq and Libya, why not let The Lobby speak for itself?

    Excerpt from AIPAC’s regional guidebook from 2000, Country Profiles: Threats in the Region:

    [MORE]

    Iraq
    Iraq continues to menace the Middle East and threaten another major war in the region. Saddam Hussein plunged into war with Iran in 1980 that lasted most of the decade, and then brought on another major international war in 1990-1991. After a decade of international sanctions, Iraq has not changed; it continues to remain a menace to its neighbors today. Iraq violates its international obligation to allow arms monitoring; conceals its weapons capabilities and build new weapons; smuggles in technologies and components for making weapons of mass destruction; continues to issue threats against Israel, the U.S., and its immediate neighbors; and harbors and supports numerous anti-Israel and anti-American terrorist organizations. As long as Saddam Hussein is in power, any containment of Iraq will only be temporary until the next crisis or act of aggression.

    Iraq, in spite of international sanctions, remains a major threat to Israel as well as to U.S. interests in the Middle East. In the absence of any external monitoring of arms since the expulsion of UNSCOM inspectors in 1998, Saddam is believed to be well on the way towards restoring his unconventional weapons arsenal. If the international community is unwilling to enforce existing UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraqi disarmament, Iraq could produce chemical weapons again, for example, in just a matter of months and a nuclear device within a matter of years, according to reliable estimates. One recent report released in February 2001, from Germany’s BND intelligence service, indicates that Iraq could reassemble the means to build a bomb within three to six years. It was also recently confirmed that Iraq tested a radiological device which would be used to poison large areas with “fallout.”

    Iraq remains a long-term threat to Israel’s security. Saddam Hussein is backing up his ongoing verbal pronouncements to destroy Israel with specific threatening actions. While much of Iraq’s arsenal of unconventional weapons has been destroyed, Western analysts remain certain that extensive work has resumed on rebuilding weapons of mass destruction. Saddam is seeking to capitalize on the unrest in Gaza and the West Bank in many ways: by deploying several elite armored divisions close to Iraq’s western border poised to traverse Jordanian or Syrian territory and attack Israel; by parading his stillmassive army in Baghdad in a display of solidarity with the Palestinians; and by paying large sums of cash to the families of so-called Palestinian “martyrs” who lost their lives in violent confrontations with Israel. Iraq’s ties to Syria, long strained under the late President Hafez al-Assad, have grown much closer since his son, Bashar, assumed control in 2000.

    Iraq could attack Israel at any time. Just as in 1991, Iraq may use missiles or other weapons to provoke a response from Israel as a way to exacerbate a future crisis with the U.S. or UN. It is also plausible that if Saddam’s regime is threatened, he might unleash his most destructive weapons on Israel as a desperate last gasp. Baghdad has already resumed testing of short-range ballistic missiles that could be modified to reach Israel with little difficulty.

    Iraq has used weapons of mass destruction. Iraq not only has the capability to build such weapons, but under Saddam Hussein has proven time and time again the willingness to use them. Iraq has used poison gas against Iran as well as against its own Kurdish citizens; invaded Kuwait and launched missiles against Israel and Saudi Arabia without provocation.

    Libya
    Libya has used much of its growing oil wealth to accelerate its ballistic missile program and negotiate new arms contracts with Russian and European suppliers. Foreign experts from a range of countries — including Iran — have been assisting its ballistic missile programs. Col. Qaddaffi’s current arsenal of Scud missiles is outdated and its homegrown “Al-Fatah” missile program was slowed by international sanctions. The end of Libyan sanctions, however, is likely to reinvigorate Tripoli’s quest for a means to threaten the region. Western intelligence assessments indicate that Tripoli is seeking to acquire technology related to the North Korean Nodong missile program, and may purchase the Iranian Shahab-3 intermediate-range missile. This would give Libya the ability to strike Israel directly for the first time, as well as place a wide arc of southern Europe in danger. In 2000, North Korean missile components were intercepted en route to Tripoli, a discovery that confirmed suspicions about Libyan activities. Additionally, Libya is seeking a wide range of spare parts for its aging Soviet-supplied arsenal, as well as state-of-the-art Russian air defense missile systems.

    If left unchecked, Libyan leader Qaddafi will be able to target southern NATO allies and Israel with poison gas or germ-tipped rockets, or provide such weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups. Libya possesses the region’s largest chemical weapons production facility. Additionally, Libya is thought to have cooperated with Iraq to manufacture biological weapons. These weapons, when combined with Libya’s growing ballistic missile capability, create the potential for serious threats, especially given Quaddafi’s erratic nature.

    Libya is a state sponsor of terrorist organizations. The January 2001 verdict finding a Libyan intelligence agent guilty of the bombing of Pan Am 103 in 1988, confirmed what has been widely-known for decades: The government of Libya and its intelligence agencies have directly supported and carried out deadly terrorist attacks throughout the world, particularly targeted at Americans. As a result, Libya remains on the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism and the United States maintains tough economic sanctions.

    (NB – in addition to Iraq and Libya, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt were also listed as threats in the 2000 guidebook.)

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Cloak And Dagger
  447. @Cloak And Dagger

    Nah, not stupid of you at all. I knew I”d seen that somewhere, but couldn’t find it.Had to leave for a bit and just returned.

    Also, you wrote,

    But, it occurs to me that this is exactly what the hasbara trolls want – getting the serious commenters to leave under a barrage of trash posts. So, I am not going to do that. Instead, I will carefully tiptoe around the garbage, ignoring these obvious disrupters without feeding the trolls.

    Yup, I agree. I ain’t going no where, but I will block the disruptors.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  448. Wow!

    I’ve been away for the entire afternoon and I come back to find a thread that is pretty bleepin clean!

    Amazing!

    We’re nearly 100% troll free! Troll snuffing is fun!

    I do wish the funny ones would return though! ;)

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  449. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Thanks for that reference Geo – much appreciated! Even after nearly a decade of sanctions that ruined the country and wiped out thousands upon thousands of its population it was considered a threat that had to be eliminated.

    Peace.

  450. @geokat62

    Rather than speculating about the motivations for targetting Iraq and Libya, why not let The Lobby speak for itself?

    Of course – it goes without saying that ‘almost’ all the evil we do abroad is to appease the Israel lobby. I said ‘speculative but plausible’ to MEE’s comment when he/she suggested personal motivations on the part of Bush to attack Iraq – and it may have had a part in it. However, there is no doubt in anyone’s mind that 9/11 being the Pearl Harbor that led to attacking Iraq, was part of the neocon strategy, planned well before 2001 by the PNAC, and with the help of Chenney, Bush The Stupid was easily conned into tying Iraq to 9/11.

    I wonder if the shrub stays awake at night, or if his soul is so tarnished that he slumbers like a newborn.

  451. @jacques sheete

    Yup, I agree. I ain’t going no where, but I will block the disruptors.

    Thanks! You and I both.

  452. @jacques sheete

    We’re nearly 100% troll free! Troll snuffing is fun!

    Don’t get too excited – they are active during ‘awake’ hours in Israel. They will be here shortly.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  453. @anon

    why doesn’t Iran just . . . get with the program?

    What program?

    The program where you bend over and take it up the rump, then pay ‘em for the pleasure like the US politicians do for Netanyahoo.

    • Replies: @anon
  454. @jacques sheete

    JS:
    I hope you know that no disrespect was intended.
    I just missed the cumulation of the relevant points.
    You are likely well aware of the salient point in my post about DR as neither philo- nor anti- … just trying to get the preponderance of the facts, and try to figure them out as best possible, and putting it out there for people to evaluate as they see fit.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  455. @EliteCommInc.

    “Needs buffer zones” really? Of course!

    You are NOT for real?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc
  456. @Cloak And Dagger

    Don’t get too excited – they are active during ‘awake’ hours in Israel. They will be here shortly.

    No doubt about that.

    I’ve learned to never get too excited about much in any case; just allowing myself a little celebration while understanding that while a battle may be won now and then, the war is permanent.

  457. @trixie dixie

    …and putting it out there for people to evaluate as they see fit.

    Understandable. That’s usually my intent as well, except when dealing with Izzie firsters. They think they’re special, so I treat ‘em special. ;)

  458. @NoseytheDuke

    I will continue to bite here a bit longer. But before I continue, you are encouraged to avoid taking m,y comments and bending them out of context for your own purposes.

    I did not say Israel needs anything, I indicated that Israel contends she needs . . . . Those are two very different imports. Granted I am not a very bright guy — but I am sure those positions are not the same.

    But ignoring that nation states embrace boundaries natural or otherwise suggests you don’t a good grasp of strategic defense thinking. Island states such as Great Britain have been very fortunate that they have a natural barrier (buffer) between themselves and everyone in their region. It has saved their bacon more than once and provided a substantial development for her naval prowess. The US is fortunate to have water boundaries — a northern cousin and a narrow isthmus.

    The demilitarize zone is a buffer. So pretending that the occupation of the territories is just Israelis being mean doesn’t get one close to addressing the question with any efficacy. I later on because while you say “of course”, you seem to miss the point that one can engage in self defense in any number ways. Your suggestion, that if Israel would just stop seems simple, enough makes sense. But Israel has to believe that or be pressured or forced by the international community by enforcing border restrictions. No state seems ready to take that matter on.

    Being real —-
    Good grief. I was going to ignore your last reference about whether or not I am real or for real, but given the level of conspiracy suggestion in this — I might as well go ahead.

    Despite my own paranoia about security, using proxy’s, and hopping on other computers when I the site doesn’t come up as anything other than text and boxes.

    I am for real. I rarely express thoughts that I don’t believe unless I am joking — very rare, acting as some kind of devils advocate, engaging in hypotheticals or counterfactual on any issue. I am careful about conspiracies, though I acknowledge that history is replete with them. I avoid making assessments about character or engage in name calling. I would like to think despite some intense advocacy of my own that the people I engage are actually exchanging for the purposes not altogether sinister. Though clearly some people are. I hope I take people’s personal assaults with more than a grain of salt and do my best to ignore them and focus on the point of their discussion, despite my dislike for such advocacy — people are entitled.

    As for this business with the Rothschild’s and Pres Hussein —

    one of the irritants for western oil players was that Pres Hussein was constantly shifting his oil prices, this goofed up the market. While it is possible that its maneuvers were in some way connected to international monetary policy of the Rothschild’s . But it is more likely Pres Hussein was doing his best to exercise control over his country’s assessts under threat by Sanctions, at the least, and pressured by his OPEC partners, no fly zones and invasion at the worst.

    I don’t pretend to operate from anything other than a conservative perspective. I like hard data and more, hard data that actually supports the case being made. I do lean in the direction of scripture when it comes to faith and practice, what that means to geopolitical scenarios is dicey. As for Israel, I chagrin her influence on US policy externally, but am livid about the implications internally when US politicians seek to make it illegal to criticize any foreign state. It’s a peculiar advance.

    While not always possible to align the conservatism with every thought, I press that goal on myself and expect other conservatives to do the same. I think I know what’s ultimately coming but have no desire to speed up the matter.

    The invasions after 9/11 were most likely an emotional response intended to show Muslim’s what’s what and fit nicely into the grand designs of interventionists. I would say, Israel intelligence on the question was a complete failure and it cost us. The fault on policy with regards to Israel is the US – our leadership continues to make very short sighted positions in part based on some dicey beliefs about scripture and promises of blessing, among other things. Christians would have done well to expect the US government to make it cases for war based on evidence, not merely how the country felt.

    I am very much for real, more a fault than a vice, in my view.

    • Replies: @iffen
  459. Robjil says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    I duckduckgo-ed to find out why this site was saying this. This is an answer I found.:

    There have been many questions about the countries forecast specially the one focusing on the United States of America (USA). They won’t be answered one by one but below you can find some explanation, thoughts and reflections. We are going to keep this as short as possible.

    [MORE]

    The majority of the economic and demographic data used in the making of the forecasts is widely available by institutions such as the CIA, IMF, UN, USG, etc. You can see the most relevant data at every single country’s page. There is a tiny part of data coming from a variety of shadow sources such as Internet gurus, unsigned reports and others. But all these sources are from the internet and are of public domain for at least a minority. For example, several years ago Dagong, the Chinese ratings agency, published a report analyzing the physical economy of the States comparing it with those of China, Germany and Japan. The conclusion was that the US GDP was something between $5 to $10 trillion instead of $15 trillion as officially reported by the USG. We assume that the official data, especially economic, released by governments is fake, cooked or distorted in some degree. Historically it is well known that the former Soviet Union was making up fake statistics years before its collapse. Western as well as other countries are making up their numbers today to conceal their real state of affairs. We are sure that many people out there can find government statistics in their own countries that by their own personal experience are hard to believe or are so optimistic that may belong to a different country.

    Despite the numeric data “quantity” there is a “quality” model which has not a direct translation into numeric data. The 2014 strain of Ebola has a death rate of 50-60% but try to imagine what would happen if there is a pandemic of Ebola with hundreds of thousands or millions infected with the virus. So far the few cases of Ebola-infected people have “enjoyed” intensive healthcare with anti-viral and breathing assistance but above all with abundant human support by Physicians and nurses. In a pandemic scenario that kind of healthcare won’t be available for the overwhelming number of infected leading to a dramatic increase of the death rate due to the lack of proper healthcare. The “quality” factor is that the death rate could increase to 80-90% in a pandemic scenario from the stated 50-60% rate. The figure itself is not important what is relevant is the fact that the scenario can evolve beyond the initial conditions from a 50% death toll to more than 90%. By the way, no pandemic or nuclear war is included in the forecast.

    The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe – suffering a similar illness – won’t be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union’s population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say “Twice the pride, double the fall”? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union’s one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

    The Demographic crisis in the former Soviet Union countries has extended for over two decades, if we accept that it ended early in this decade (2010s). The demographic crisis will hit the World in the near future and is projected to last between three and eight decades more or less depending on technological breakthrough and environmental issues. The aftermath is more likely a frozen picture with the population numbers staying the same for a very, very long period of time. The countries forecast population numbers do reflect birth/deaths but also migratory movements. Many countries are going to increase their gross population due to immigration while their native population may shrink.

    Over the past two thousand years we have witnessed the Western civilization built around the Mediterranean Sea shifting to Northern Europe and then by the mid 20th century shifting to an Atlantic axis to finally get centered into the States in the past 30 years. The next move will see the civilization being centered in Asia with Russia and China on top. Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor. This is not mainstream but it is true. A new crisis joins old, well known patterns with new ones.

    Sorry to disappoint many of you with our forecast. It is getting worse and worse every year since the beginning of the pre-crisis in 2007. It is already said that this website is non-profit, built on spare time and we provide our information and services AS IS without further explanations and/or guarantees. We are not linked to any government in any way, shape or form. We are not a death or satanic cult or arms dealers as some BS is floating around the internet on this topic. Take into account that the forecast is nothing more than a model whether flawed or correct. It is not God’s word or a magic device that allows to foresee the future.

    Sunday, October 26th, 2014
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  460. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Speaking of iffen, rumps, and other body parts –

    Four long days plus a gentle reminder , but iffen still has not answered three simple questions:

    Goebbels repeated “lies” for about 12 years.
    Jews have been pedalling whoppers for over 100 years and punishing anyone who proves the whoppers are lies.
    SO who gets the Golden Globe for lying?
    What LIE has come to be believed?
    What’s the cost to humanity for building policy on lies?

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/surrounded-by-neocons/#comment-2151909

    Get with the program, iffen, if you’ve got any intellectual integrity

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  461. annamaria says:
    @Zumbuddi

    There has been a malicious transformation of anti-war and progressive movement into a tool of plutocracy: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-empires-lefty-intellectuals-call-for-regime-change-the-role-of-progressives-and-the-antiwar-movement/5625333

    “War and neoliberalism are no longer at the forefront of civil society activism. Funded by corporate charities, via a network of non-governmental organizations, social activism tends to be piecemeal.
    Dissent has become compartmentalized. Separate “issue oriented” protest movements (e.g. environment, anti-globalization, peace, women’s rights, LGBT) are encouraged and generously funded as opposed to a cohesive mass movement against global capitalism.
    This mosaic was already prevalent in the counter G7 summits and People’s Summits of the 1990s and also from the inception of the World Social Forum in 2000, which rarely adopted a meaningful anti-war stance. Through staged protest events sponsored by NGOs and generously funded by corporate foundations, the unspoken objective is to create profound divisions within Western society, which serve to uphold the existing social order as well as the military agenda.”
    – The stupid, obscene, and cheap pink-pussy crowd marching on DC comes to mind — in the context of the ruined Libya (“we came, we saw, he died… ha-ha-ha” ) and the bloodied and barely surviving Syria (“we don’t want ISIS defeated in Syria,” Israeli Intel Chief Major General Herzi Halevy)

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

  462. geokat62 says:

    Latest development on the Wisconsin front:

    Paul Nehlen Calls On ‘Alt-Right’ Trolls To Fight ‘Jewish Media’

    [MORE]

    Paul Nehlen, the political newcomer aiming to unseat Speaker of the House Paul Ryan in a Republican primary, has been capitalizing on the online culture wars and flirting with the hardcore white nationalist elements online in a bid for their support.

    He even solicits the help of online trolls to go after his political adversaries — the “Jewish media.”

    According to a new BuzzFeed report, Nehlen maintains a private Twitter direct message group where he solicits help from an army of Internet helpers. After facing criticism for tweeting about an anti-Semitic book about Jewish power, Nehlen appealed to the group to help him fight back against the “Jewish media” and the “goys attacking” him.

    “There are a list of goys attacking me, and a separate list of Jews,” Nehlen messaged the group, according to screenshots from BuzzFeed News. “It’s pretty obviously coordinated,” Nehlen wrote, referring to remarks from conservative and pro-Trump personalities like Town Hall’s Kurt Schlichter and The Rebel’s John Cardillo who’d recently denounced Nehlen for his “alt-right” ties.

    “Cardillo and others like him are working for Jewish media then there are the fake conservatives who happen to be jewish,” he wrote to the group telling members to target Schlichter. “Im going to decimate them all and y’[all are gonna help me.”

    Group members responded and offered support with fist, thumbs up, and American flag emojis. “Yes we will,” one replied.

    Accounts who Nehlen interacts with in this private group include Eli Mosley, the former head of the white nationalist group Identity Evropa.

    To read more about Paul Nehlen, go here and here.

    Email Sam Kestenbaum at [email protected] and follow him on Twitter at @skestenbaum

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/392023/paul-nehlen-calls-on-alt-right-trolls-to-fight-jewish-media/?attribution=blog-article-listing-1-headline

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  463. L.K says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “Israel” should not even exist to begin with.

  464. iffen says:
    @EliteCommInc

    But before I continue, you are encouraged to avoid taking m,y comments and bending them out of context for your own purposes.

    May I copy and use this from time to time without attribution? It is exactly what I need to help me in the arduous transition from bad iffen to better iffen.

    For some mysterious reasons, my rendition of this sentiment as “fuck off, cocksucker” has netted me no allies.

  465. @anon

    if you’ve got any intellectual integrity

    I gave up on that pipsqueak-level troll long ago. Not once has it ever provided a comment of substance.

  466. annamaria says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “… my comment is to the interventionist agenda — it would exist even if Israel did not or was not treated as an ally. Make no mistake, Israel is planning for a day when she has no allies including the US.”
    – This is a revisionist position. The ongoing slaughter – the war crimes — in the Middle East had been planned before 9/11:

    “Policy coup” in the US, accomplished by Wolfowitz, Cheney, Perle, et al. There was no national dialogue before or after.
    “The Neoconservative Wolfowitz Doctrine written in 1992, and the resultant Project for the New American Century manifesto written in 2000 laid out plans for foreign nation destabilization and nation-building by America. … A Pentagon document dated March 5, 2001, entitled “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil Field Contracts” called for divvying-up Iraq’s oil wealth (http://youtu.be/SzX3DfZR_1c – at 06:15] and predated the March 20, 2003 invasion by 2 years and predated the 9/11 attacks by six-months.”
    – The blueprint for the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East can be found in Oded Yinon Plan: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-jewish-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-beyond.html
    “Back in 1982, Oded Yinon an Israeli journalist formerly attached to the Israeli Foreign Ministry, published a document titled “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties.” This Israeli commentator suggested that for Israel to maintain its regional superiority, it must fragment its surrounding Arab states into smaller units. The document, later labeled as Yinon Plan, implied that Arabs and Muslims killing each other in endless sectarian wars was, in effect, Israel’s insurance policy.”
    – The obnoxious idiots that had “arranged’ the US resources for the ongoing Middle East slaughter in the name of oil and Eretz Israel (and for their own psychopathic aggrandizement and enrichment) did not think about the future of the Jewish people around the globe and about the future of humanity at large. Moreover, the “arrangement” required a careful weeding out the principled and competent Americans from the position of influence, so that the Plan could be implemented without any hindrances. Enter the greatest idiot Douglas Feith, whose task was to “clear the field” from people like Colonel Patrick Lang (former Green Beret and outstanding specialist in Middle Eastern culture). The rot has inevitably spread to the US national security apparatus; see Russiagate and the obscene parade of liars and profiteers in the highest echelons of government. Note that the real dangers — like Awan affair — were overlooked by the pompous Hayden, Brennan, and Morell.
    There is nothing left for Israel. The alleged clothes of superior morality turned to be an illusion. Israel’s leader Netanyahu is a scoundrel despised by his countrymen. The anti-Nazi vigilante (ADL, the Lobby, the Friends of Israel in UK) showed themselves a fraud in light of the US/EU support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis (the story of Israeli-Ukrainian citizen Kolomojsky is particularly educational).
    What exactly the Israelis are planning to defend from “others” – moral emptiness of their state?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  467. geokat62 says:

    Let’s see if anyone can guess who uttered these words:

    “It is time for us to act, and I believe the only way to act is not through moderation. I am not a moderate, I’m a fighter. And that’s why I’m proud to stand with the state of Israel. That’s why I’m proud to be a Christian Zionist. That is why I’m proud to be a partner of one of the greatest nations on earth and the foundation of the Judeo-Christian West.”

    John Hagee? Guess again. Why, it was none other than former Trump strategist, Steve Bannon.

    And people were hoping the Trump administration, filled with Zionists (both xian and Jewish), would take a less Zionist stance?

    Fat chance!

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/13/im-proud-to-be-a-christian-zionist-steve-bannon-gets-standing-o-from-leading-jewish-organization/

  468. MEexpert says:
    @Ron Unz

    To Dr. Unz, Dr. Giraldi and their readers:

    I had a specific purpose in mind in discussing the Sunni/Shia conflict in the context of the Middle East wars and it was not to start a sectarian war between Shias and Sunnis on the Unz Review. Unfortunately, my purpose was hijacked and got totally off the track. Now that the storm over Tammy or Mohamed, or whoever, is finally over, and everyone has accepted the fact that I am not a troll, I would like to ask some serious questions. Rest assured, I am not going to say anything except ask questions and let all the knowledgeable people including Talha to answer if they so choose to do it. Dr. Unz and Dr. Giraldi feel free to jump in anytime you feel like it.

    One last comment about Tammy. Unfortunately, He or she, I can’t make up my mind, took the discussion in a wrong direction. Her facts were correct, they were just not helpful in this context. Anyway, that’s over.

    My questions:

    If the war in the Middle East is all about real estate, and Israel’s hegemony, why is it that this war is being waged only in the countries that are Shia, have a majority of Shia population or perceived to be Shia?

    Furthermore, why are the countries being attacked, bombed, sanctioned against, and blockaded and the people who are being killed, bombed, starved, jailed and tortured mainly Shias?
    Why all these crimes are being committed by the Sunni regimes and all the terrorist Sunnis groups supported by the United States, a country that has never been attacked by any of the above people or countries?

    Why is Turkey exempt from this mayhem? Turkey is a major threat to both Israel and Saudi Arabia. She threatens Israel’s hegemony and is a major challenge to Saudi Arabia as the leader of the Sunni world. Why hasn’t Turkey been the recipient of a share of this wrath? Don’t think that Turkey is with Iran and Russia on this. Remember, Erdogan does not like Assad and for a while was bombing Syrian targets. Turkey is a trojan horse in this conflict.

    Why is the Shia population targeted by the Sunni terrorist groups and regimes in countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia? Why is the United Nations and other developed and civilized nations silent over these and other atrocities? Doesn’t the charter of the United Nation require it to stop these wars? Admittedly, there is some Sunni and Christian collateral damage. I think Talha knows the real answer, if he would care to share it with you.

    For a change I will just read your comments and try to learn from them.

    P.S. For those who are inclined to block certain commenters, I just want to remind them that even a broken clock is right twice a day. I don’t block anyone. I glance through their comments and then either read them or ignore them. Every once in a while, someone will say something worthwhile. But then that is just me.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @anon
  469. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    Isn’t the Taliban Sunni? (The target in the Afghanistan War)

    Wasn’t the target in the Iraq Wars Sunni?

    Haven’t we installed Shias as the rulers (ha) in Iraq.

  470. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @MEexpert

    Sad and difficult questions.

    One thought: perhaps the opening premise is wrong; it’s not only about real estate, it’s about ideology, and control of the way people think, and about power. Zionists are obsessed with cultural dominance; it seems to be encoded in one faction of Judaism that Jews must be supreme, must be acknowledged as supreme, and that all who resist that acknowledgment — or whose factual history demonstrates that they are different from, or older than, the Judaic dispensation — must be destroyed, in order that Judaics can claim the Throne.

    I don’t know the characteristics of Sunni vs Shia (I stubbornly resist the view that the current battles were, at their core, about Sunni v Shia, but instead maintain that the people who are causing the wars and chaos deliberately sowed division between these two groups, playing on known weaknesses) — it may be that the “fiend” is aware that Sunni are more easily aroused or herded or bought or have more resources that the fiend needs and can tap; while Shia have a different interior strength and perspective that makes them more resistant.

    You say you’re not Persian; does that mean not Iranian as well? After WWII, US looted Germany mercilessly, prizing above all, German intellectual talent. Iranians, predominantly Shia ??, are also more likely to be more talented than, i.e. Arab Muslims. Zio-US wants either to control or capture/spy on Iranian talent, or destroy it. (Similarly, ZioUSA destroyed relatively stable and prosperous Libya and also cultured Syria: their cultural advancement and stability were affronts to Israeli Zionists.)
    ZioUSA has already established infiltration institutions in Saudi Arabia but not in Iran.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  471. @annamaria

    well,

    one revises according to the data. “Neoconservative” is not really useful any longer. As democrats and liberals galore have cause to support regime and the ideas of the “New American Century” a reconfiguration of western agendas after the WWII and now at the end of the cold war.

    The Middle East is just one target of the strategy. Your comments are of the form making issue where none exists. The Century for the New American Way is a global narrative, the Middle maybe a key player — oil — but she is but one detail among dozens of states. this whole business of being alone is why Israel vehemently attacks anyone, who doesn’t endorse everything she does. She is forestalling what may be an eventual reality — especially if one takes scripture seriously.

    now let’s take the christian millennial view that the ends times will come and when it does Israel will left all alone. That means, no US. If one take scripture literally, then alone means — alone. Plenty of Jews manage to appreciate such scripture when it suits their agendas — such as self defense, whether self defense is offensive or defensive in nature. That means, there those in Israeli strategic circles who consider whet it would mean to be totally alone.

    Now consider this, the US never abandons Israel, yet sometime in the future Israel is alone — one obvious conclusion is that there is no longer a US to support her. I have issues with my country, but I would like her to be around for a while longer — my national loyalties are to her first, until I adopt another.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  472. @geokat62

    A lot if people believe this. And I grant that it rare for a state to re-established after having suffered the losses that Israel has. They often contend that whatever compensation the Jews were entitled should have been carved out of Germany.

    That contention aside the UN formally gave Israel her place. I would agree that Israel’s tactics and behavior on occupying that land is highly questionable and definitely ill advised. A lot of wrong to do a little right —

    But the fact is that Israel is a nation state.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  473. John Wear, a retired attorney living in Texas, is author of Germany’s War: The Origins, Aftermath & Atrocities of World War II” , contributes to CODOH, and publishes his own diligently stocked blog, Wears War on the Lies, Liars and WW2 https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/01/12/the-contradictory-testimony-of-jewish-survivors-other-eyewitnesses-at-auschwitz-birkenau-should-they-be-in-jail-with-monika-schaefer-why-not/#comments

    Wear’s most recent article, about false testimony of Holocaust survivors, elicited this comment (among others):

    WakeyWakey
    January 14, 2018 at 5:09 pm
    It is the most astonishing and outrageous slander and betrayal against an innocent nation in history in my opinion, especially when you consider one fact:

    Until the Talmudists stabbed Germany in the back with the London Agreement of October 1916, the Talmudists throughout the world were pro-German. Why were they pro-German? The German ‘Emancipation Edict’ of 1822 guaranteed Talmudists in Germany all civil rights enjoyed by Germans. Every country in Europe had quotas for Talmudists. The quota systems had existed for centuries in all European Countries. Under the quota system in European countries, Talmudists were limited in all activities to a small percentage of the Christian population of the country. The quota systems applied to all occupations….

    After the Emancipation Edict in 1822, Germany was the only country in Europe which did not place restrictions on Talmudists under a quota system limiting their civil rights. Talmudists throughout the world were informed by cable from London about the October 1916 London Agreement. That information transformed them from pro-German to pro-British….

    Great Britain placed at the disposal of Talmudists in London their secret codes and worldwide cable facilities to inform Talmudists throughout the world about Great Britain’s pledge to turn over Palestine to them as compensation for railroading the United States into the war in Europe as Great Britain’s ally in their war against Germany……..On April 6, 1917, President Wilson and Justice Brandeis knew something the grass roots population of the U.S. did not know – they knew full particulars about the October 1916 London Agreement. They also knew the declaration of war by the United States against Germany activated this agreement and that Talmudists of the world would not have to wait long for Palestine….Wilson’s declaration of war was to satisfy his commitment to his blackmailers….Wilson was aware when he addressed Congress that Germany had not committed any act against the U.S. which justified a declaration of war….against Germany under international law. this author at that time knew President Wilson was informed to that effect before he made his plea to congress…..”Above from Jewish Insider who knew personally 7 Presidents, Benjamin Freedman http://whale.to/c/hiddenyyranny.pdf

    At the point when the Zionists coerced Britian into their London Agreement, Britain had all but lost WWI and yet had been offered generous peace terms by Germany with no penalties whatsoever. The would have ended in 1916 with no American loss of lives, far less British and European lives, and no Jewish bolshevik coup d’etat against Christian Russia hence no USSR and no 66 million Russians slaughtered by the bolshevik regime.

    Quite correctly Germany held the Talmudists responsible for their defeat and all their suffering and disadvantage that followed. “Talmudists throughout the world had tried in vain since 1919 to silence German resentment against them for railroading the United States into the war in Europe without justification or provocation….” The Talmudists in August 7, 1933 declared their so-called ‘holy war’ against Germany, an economic war that caused Germany’s export business suddenly ending as if by magic. This declaration of war against Germany by the Talmudists was declared “when not a hair on the head of a Talmudist in Germany had been touched. Germany was plunged into a depression….Talmudists hoped that way to stop Germans from continuing to talk about why they lost the war. Talmudists in Germany were finding it difficult to live that down..”

    Above info and quotes from US Jewish Insider Benjamin Freedman, who knew personally 7 Presidents and whose family was intimate with the Baruch family. He became so disgusted with Jewish intrigue he renounced and exposed their manipulations and intentions through both world wars:

    http://whale.to/c/hiddenyyranny.pdf

    In a similar vein; that is, that Jews demanded and enjoyed privileges in European states that no other citizen in Europe enjoyed, this bit of information about the large Jewish delegation at the Versailles Treaty negotiations, from E J Dillon’s ”

    “Of all the collectivities whose interests were furthered at the Conference, the Jews had perhaps the most re- sourceful and certainly the most influential exponents . There were Jews from Palestine, from Poland, Russia, the Ukraine, Rumania, Greece, Britain, Holland, and Belgium ;
    but the largest and most brilliant contingent was sent by the United States.
    Their principal mission, with which every fair-minded man sympathized heartily, was to secure for their kindred in eastern Europe rights equal to those of the populations in whose midst they reside.’

    And to the credit of the Poles, Rumanians, and R ussians, who were to be constrained to remove all the existing disabilities, they enfranchised the Hebrew elements spontaneously.

    But the Western Jews, who championed their Eastern brothers, proceeded to demand a further concession which many of their own co-religionists hastened to disclaim as dangerous-a kind of autonomy which Rumanian, Polish, and Russian statesmen, as well as many of their Jewish fellow-subjects, regarded as tantamount to the creation of a state within the state . Whether this estimate is true or erroneous, the concessions asked for were given, but the supplementary treaties
    insuring the protection of minorities are believed to have little chance of being executed, and may, it is feared, provoke manifestations of elemental passions in the countries in which they are to be applied.”

    and further —

    “a privileged status was to be conferred on the Jews in eastern Europe and in Palestine, while the other states were to be in the leading-strings of the Four . This view was not lightly expressed, however inadequately it may prove to have been then supported by facts . . . . There was but one discordant voice-that of France-who was opposed . . . to the clause placing the Jews under the direct protection of the League of Nations, and investing them with privileges in which the races among whom they reside are not allowed to participate.

    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/The_Inside_Story_Of_The_Peace_Conference-Dr-EJ_Dillon-1920-526pgs-POL.pdf

  474. geokat62 says:

    I believe comment #492 is a response to comment #482, not comment #481. Somehow, the last two comments got blended together.

  475. @anon

    One thought: perhaps the opening premise is wrong; it’s not only about real estate, it’s about ideology, and control of the way people think, and about power.

    Exactly.

  476. @SolontoCroesus

    I think this accurate. German Jews did enjoy full German citizenship, but that changed very rapidly as reparations, two economic depressions on top of the German leadership abandoning the war effort – amounting to a loss.

    Those factors led from a gradual to a full scale scapegoating of the Jews. Whatever one’s complaints about Israel, the re is little question that were singled out in Nazi Germany.

    Other populations were as well, but the others were not in population size as Jews and aside from blacks and the disabled were not as visible.

  477. @SolontoCroesus

    That Dillon book is a gem.

    So is Reed’s “Insanity Fair,” which is full of detail and names that I had to check out so it took me a couple of days to slog through.

    Among the interesting things it mentioned was the Crowe memorandum which is also a “must read” especially for those who think Germany was the sole cause of WW1. While it’s written as an apology of England and the Brit Empire, Crowe can’t help but admit that the problems were long standing and that it takes two to tango, or in this case it took more than two to tangle.

    Reed can safely be labeled anti-Hitler but cannot be labeled* an anti-Semite by any means. He did make this observation among others.:

    The new [Jewish] prosperity was born in rearmament, and that was begun in the name of anti-Communism and anti-Semitism. Abyssinia, Spain and China have already shown that the new armaments race spells death, not for Jews, but for indiscriminate millions of helpless Gentiles, Africans, Chinese and whatnot. The profits from the armaments race will go largely into the pockets of Jews, because of their preponderant share in retail trade… Such is Hitler’s achievement in the cause of antiSemitism.

    I was talking one day to Z, a Jewish journalist expelled from Germany who has settled in Vienna, where he has a pleasant home and a motor car. He talked with bitter resentment of Germany. ‘Ah’, he complained, ‘the Poles murdered us, but the Germans have robbed us’, and it was quite clear from his tone which was the worse thing for him. Then he told me how his son was still working for a big German film company in Berlin and had thrice had his salary raised to induce him not to leave and emigrate, as he desired, wishing to join his father. The Jews. As I write, in Vienna, they are all about me, watching with non-committal, veiled, appraising eyes the comedy that is going on in Insanity Fair. They know that when Hitlerism has passed away they will still be trading in the Kärntnerstrasse.

    -Douglas Reed, Insanity Fair (1938), chapter 17

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Douglas_Reed_Books_pdf/Insanity%20Fair.pdf

    *Disclaimer: Sorry about the use of labels, but I feel it’s necessary here to parry, in advance, the almost certain (but false) howling about his being an anti-Semite. I hope this disclaimer satisfies any critics, but I have no illusions to that effect! ;)

  478. @EliteCommInc.

    The Jews are a nation, but Israel is a parasitical entity that cannot survive without leaching off the West in various ways.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  479. @EliteCommInc.

    Those factors led from a gradual to a full scale scapegoating of the Jews.

    I think the real scapegoats were the Nazis.

    For instance, everyone “knows” that the Nazis boycotted Jewish stores, but how many realize that the boycotts lasted all of one day, while in contrast, New York Jews called for boycotting Germany for the duration?

    No doubt Hitler used antipathy toward Jews to gain political power but it could be justified among other things by the boycott of Germany and the fact that some New York Jews declared war on Germany in 1933.

    The typical Jewish histrionics, theatrics and exaggerations obscured a lot of things, not the least of which were the facts that big money Jews were mostly left unmolested in Germany, and the fact that there was collaboration between the Nazis and Zionist elements, as well as the fact that Jews actually profited as many still do, from howling about “anti-Semitism.”

    The “Hitler was an anti-Semite” narrative is so over simplified that anyone claiming that as a basis for damning Nazis and Germans overall does little but expose his own superficiality and ignorance.

  480. @SolontoCroesus

    Another significant fact regarding the Versailles rape negotiations that Dillon mentioned is that many of the translators at the conference were Jewish, and that somehow the translations sometimes were “embellished” in the interests of guess who?

    Example.:

    When misunderstandings arose as to what had been said or done it was the official translator, M . Paul Mantoux one of the most brilliant representatives of Jewry at the Conference-who was wont to decide, his memory being reputed superlatively tenacious . In this way he attained the distinction of which his friends are justly proud, of being a living record-indeed, the sole available record of what went on at the historic council . He was the recipient and is now the only repository of all the secrets of which the plenipotentiaries were so jealous, lest, being a kind of knowledge which is in verity power, it should be used one day for some dubious purpose.

    But M. Mantoux enjoyed the esteem and confidence not only of Mr. Wilson, but also of the British Prime Minister, who, it was generally believed, drew from his entertaining narratives and shrewd appreciations whatever information he possessed about French politics and politicians . It was currently affirmed that, being a man of method and foresight, M . Mantoux committed everything to writing for his own behoof . Doubts, however, were entertained and publicly expressed as to whether affairs of this magnitude, involving the destinies of the world, should have been handled in such secret and unbusinesslike fashion .

    -Dillon, The Inside Story of the Peace Conference, (1920), page 127 (and beyond)

    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/The_Inside_Story_Of_The_Peace_Conference-Dr-EJ_Dillon-1920-526pgs-POL.pdf

    The book is a gem for insights on how history, impressions and propaganda are made and we see the same things going on today with the neocons, politicians, bureaucrats and other criminals.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  481. @EliteCommInc.

    Those factors led from a gradual to a full scale scapegoating of the Jews. Whatever one’s complaints about Israel, the re is little question that were singled out in Nazi Germany.

    What you’ve provided is little, as in no, support for this pedestrian assertion.

    A chronology; an examination of the context; a comparison of the conditions under which Jews in Germany vs indigenous Germans were living in Germany between, say, the 1880s to wars era; a recognition of the enormous impact of the Jewish population bubble and the massive migration of Eastern European Jews into Germany; Rothschild financial dominance in all European affairs; — all of these elements must be considered before resorting to “scapegoating Jews.”

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  482. annamaria says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “… Your comments are of the form making issue where none exists. … the US never abandons Israel, yet sometime in the future Israel is alone — one obvious conclusion is that there is no longer a US to support her. I have issues with my country, but I would like her to be around for a while longer — my national loyalties are to her first, until I adopt another.”
    – And how these issues do not exist in the context of this discussion of the neocon/ziocon pernicious influence on the US present & future? The slaughtered 4 millions human beings of all ages and the ruined Iraq, Libya, and Syria (see Oded Yinon plan) are certainly an issue. Also, what other “player” has similar influence on the US policy? There is no other country but Israel that has managed to affect the legislation in western countries re any questioning of WWII; people go to prison for asking legitimate questions about WWII. Why? – To protect the myth of “incomparable victimhood” of Jewish people? There were Armenians, Russians, Vietnamese, and other nations that suffered great tragedies and great loss of populations…
    Germany is emerging as a much more moral nation than Israel. Whereas Germany has been paying reparations for the crimes that could not be investigated (due to the pressure from the world Lobby), Israel has been building night clubs and “cultural” centers on the ancient Palestinian cemeteries. This brings us to the heart of the problem: There are more Jews living abroad than in Israel. Those living abroad expect to have all the essential rights and more from the governments of countries of their residence. At the same time, the inhabitants of the Jewish State (a national state that maintains artificially Jewish majority) have been behaving in contradiction to the laws and rules of western civilization. Moreover, the majority of Jewish people living outside of Israel profess their loyalty first and foremost to the state of Israel. This is an issue.

  483. @annamaria

    Looks like the cat got at your ball of yarn, annamaria.

    There were Armenians, Russians, Vietnamese, and other nations that suffered great tragedies and great loss of populations…

    So did Germans, who were deliberately targeted for annihilation by Jews and their Anglo and American allies. one example: Theodore Kaufmann, Germany Must Perish http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml
    More Germans — German civilians — died than even the most outrageously falsified # of Jews who died.

    Germany is emerging as a much more moral nation than Israel. Whereas Germany has been paying reparations for the crimes that could not be investigated

    whoa
    whoa
    whoa

    1. Germany started out as a “far more moral nation” than ‘Jewry’ or Jehudites or Levites or the nascent Israel could even aspire to become.

    2. What Germany is now is not really “German” in a real sense; it’s a brainwashed, soul-deadened empty shell. It has as much morality as a dog trained to do tricks. — Make that an elephant trained to do tricks: Elephants have long memories and an observable sense of empathy. Eventually, the German people may emerge from their brainwashed lassitude and reclaim their moral ascendancy, which will, indeed, be head- and- shoulders greater than Israel. That is why Germany was destroyed in the first place.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  484. @annamaria

    My comment about making an issue, is not in reference to whether or not Jews are involved in interventionists strategies and agendas. Nor does my comment dismiss or ignore that the interventionists agenda has led to needless human destruction.

    My point is that even minus Israel there would be an interventionists agenda.

    Nor do any of my statements counter that on the issue of statehood — US citizens owe their first allegiance (not necessarily agreement on issues) to the US, without question.

    • Agree: iffen
  485. @SolontoCroesus

    Hmmmm,

    I am unsure how to respond to an argument that there is no evidence to support that Jews were scapegoated for national failures after WWI. If your point is to suggest that the Jews got what they deserved as to their behavior in some manner, that is a case I would be interested in hearing out.

    Jews were not responsible for WWI.

    I think it goes something like this —-

    Those circumstances and events that led to that conflict are complex, in a fashion, but clear. Serbia is key and her press for total independence. An assassination plot that with traces to members of the Serbian government. The total support of Russia for Serbia. Serbia complies with Austrian demands accept one or two regarding the aftermath of the assassination. Austria declares war, Germany her ally declares war, failure to get assurances from Russia that she would stay put, Germany declares war on Russia. In a peculiar bid to w9in, Germany employs a strategy that would by definition put her on a war path with Belgium and France.

    Great Britain and Germany already at odds over shipping rights, number of ships and merchant and naval intentions — Great Britain sides with France and Russia.

    The key here as stated by Princess Margaret –”troublesome Serbia.”

    Scapegoating — the assignment and eventually sacrifice of one not actually responsible for the cause of the sacrifice or atonement. I am not ignoring mass migration or immigration here or the issues that it presents — however, as previously noted — Germany fully embraced Jews as citizens — Jews acting on said embrace, fought on behalf of Germany in full vigor of winning the cause.

    So the Nazi program that followed scapegoated them for a cause that was not singularly theirs – Germany’s loss in WWI and the subsequent global or western depressions that followed

  486. @EliteCommInc.

    Serbia is key and her press for total independence.

    That angle gets far too much play in my opinion.

    As you say, the issues are complex and still argued over, but I think the real keys were economic, and the fact that the Brits wanted to maintain their dominance of trade against a rising Germany and also wanted to prevent a linking up between Germany and Russia are far more important keys. The issues regarding loans between countries is also far more important as well.

    It’s important to understand these things because similar forces are at play today.

    So the Nazi program that followed scapegoated them for a cause that was not singularly theirs – Germany’s loss in WWI and the subsequent global or western depressions that followed

    And as I noted above, the Nazis in turn were and still are scapegoated. There was a huge conflict between Bolshevism and the rest of the world. The Nazis were against the Reds and we all should know how the Reds treated their enemies. They lie, exaggerate, smear, propagandize, demonize and do anything and everything to make their opponents look bad and act worse.

    A lot of people were fed up with the virtual stranglehold Jews had on their economies so the Nazis used the Jew angle to gather strength against the Boshies. It’s too bad they had to resort to such rhetoric, but even if they hadn’t, there is no doubt in my mind that they would have been accused of being anti-Semite anyway.

    We can see a similar phenomenon in play with all the stupid Muslim bashing by the neocon nutcases. In other words, if every Muslim in the world acted as if they were directly descended from angels, they’d still be demonized.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  487. @EliteCommInc.

    I am unsure how to respond to an argument that there is no evidence to support that Jews were scapegoated for national failures after WWI.

    Try this.:

    Provide some credible evidence that Jews were scapegoated for national failures after WWI.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  488. @Beefcake the Mighty

    . I have muy issues with the level of carte’ blanche support we extend to Israel — but whether or not they will survive —

    Time will tell

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  489. We are surrounded by terrorists too.

    Records declassified this week by Britain’s Security Service, MI5, reveal an urgent terrorist threat that Britain faced in the 20th century. No, it wasn’t the Irish Republican Army or Islamist terrorist groups that would plague Britain later in the century, but rather extremist Zionist groups fighting the British after World War II to establish the State of Israel.

    http://www.bollyn.com/#article_16007

  490. Great Britain sides with France and Russia.
    The key here as stated by Princess Margaret –”troublesome Serbia.”

    Scapegoating —

    Very big leap between the first two thoughts and “scapegoating.”

    Into that blank space between the outbreak of war in which Germany and England are involved, insert:

    1. Acknowledgement that Jewish zionists had been extensively supported by Germany, and also worked side by side in German or Jewish settlement projects in Palestine. See Arthur Ruppin’s 1907 letter (which used to be archived on the Palestine With Provenance database but now is nowhere to be found except JVL) http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-picture-in-1907-quot-arthur-ruppin

    “We therefore find in Palestine a vast difference between German and Jewish colonists in regard to the card which they bestow on their live and other stock. This has nothing to do with inferior ability on the part of the Jews but with the circumstance that the German colonist has created what he possesses by his own labor, and he treats it with more care, foresight and affection. The superior stability of the German on the land, again, is connected with the organic way in which he acquired, and grew with, his possessions; the Jew obtained his as it were overnight. “

    2. Chaim Weizmann — engages in prolonged and deliberate campaign to insinuate himself into upper echelons of British decision-makers; plays on one of the “three types of anti-semitism” he has identified, by which he maneuvers Arthur Balfour to convey to Baron Rothschild “a homeland for Jews in Palestine.” see The Balfour Declaration, by Leonard Stein Stein was Weizmann’s assistant throughout the campaign in Britain.

    Baron Rothschild had, on his own account, courted Balfour so relentlessly that Rothschild’s niece thought Rothschild must work for the British lord). see Niall Ferguson, biography of the Rothschilds

    Weizmann’s activities, especially, had the collateral effect of enabling intense enforcement of the British blockade of Germany, which caused the starvation deaths of over 780,000 German civilians. see C Paul Vincent, The Politics of Hunger, The Allied Blockade of Germany, 1915-1919. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p231_Hall.html
    Note that the Blockade remained in force for almost a year past German armistice, until Germany succumbed to pressure to sign Versailles Treaty.

    In my view, Germans were quite right to view these actions as a “stab in the back.”
    Moreover, while German civilians had starved to death, as E J Dillon pointed out in a footnote, Jews in Eastern Europe were provided with food, clothing and medical care — to be sure, from (presumably) Jewish charities — but Germans who had suffered were not only not beneficiaries of such largesse, they were vilified (one might almost say scapegoated) in the process of fundraising for Jews; Martin Glynn’s essay, The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop,” (October 31, 1919) http://balder.org/judea/American-Hebrew-October-31-1919-The-Crucifixion-Of-Jews-Must-Stop-Martin-H-Glynn-Six-Million.php
    comes to mind.

    3. As earlier passages http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/surrounded-by-neocons/#comment-2160082 from E J Dillon’s The Inside Story of the Peace Conference, state rather unequivocally, the validity of which is borne out by Edwin Black in “The Transfer Agreement,” Jews dominated at Versailles, obtaining for Jewish interests benefits and rights afforded to no other entity in Europe — or elsewhere. As Black puts it, “Jews returned from Versailles with a dual triumph: they acquired a homeland for Jews in Palestine, and guarantees for Jewish rights in European states where they dwelt.”
    4. Not only did Woodrow Wilson betray promises made to Germany, he completely undermined the trust states of the now-dismembered Ottoman empire had placed in him to grant them self determination, to the extent that Wilson ignored the findings of the King-Crane Commission http://www2.oberlin.edu/library/digital/king-crane/intro.html
    As Scott Anderson narrates in “Lawrence in Arabia,” numerous Jewish operatives functioned as spies and subversives throughout the Ottoman empire and not-yet-Jewish Palestine to ensure the failure of Turks, Arabs, Germans and also the British, in activities to advance Jewish interests.

    5. An essay on the Yad Vashem website details how Jews obtained dominating positions in the Weimar government.
    Some participants on this forum have exulted in the burst of creativity that marked the Weimar years. That creativity was not widespread: millions were destitute, the economy was impossible, the political situation was chaotic, Communists had targeted Germany for an emblematic takeover, a major steppingstone to Bolshevism’s international ambitions.
    6. In one or another of Sebastian Haffner’s diatribes against his German (ex-)countrymen, he observes how the German ‘revolution’ stunned but also numbed the German people. Haffner also reflects bitterly on the assassination of Walter Rathenau — a misbegotten act, to be sure. In Haffner’s calculus, Hitler filled the vast void left by his heroic Rathenau. Many German people felt that Rathenau could solve Germany’s problems; an almost equal number did not. Among the latter were many German Jews: Rathenau did not rank very highly among Jews: he had an in-and-out relationship with his own Jewishness. In any event, National Socialists were more successful in quelling violence — not least, against Jews; in re-instilling a sense of civil unity; in achieving full employment, in stabilizing the economy and in ensuring that the German people were well-fed and well-housed. Rathenau and the Jewish administrators in Weimar had not delivered on those basic needs.

    7. So — Were Jews “scapegoated” and did they “get what they deserved?”
    Frankly, EliteCommInc, those terms and claims are tiresome.
    Facts support the claim that German people suffered inordinately in order that Jews might gather up vast benefits. To call that fact-pattern “scapegoating” approaches Douglas Reed’s definition of the Levite concept of the Jewish god using gentiles to punish Jews for their transgressions, which punishment Jews call persecution, and for which they destroy the gentiles who carry it out.

    As to the second part, did Germany get what it deserved?

  491. iffen says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Jews acting on said embrace, fought on behalf of Germany in full vigor of winning the cause.

    I think that the last public political defiance of Hitler was by Hindenburg. He stopped Hitler from ending the military pensions for Jewish German WWI veterans.

  492. @SolontoCroesus

    Seety work there, Sir! Brilliant stuff.

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  493. @EliteCommInc.

    There are those who are Israel Firsters and those who serve the cause of world domination. They are able to get along together as long as their interests coincide but as the latter group becomes closer to achieving its goal at some point they will come to see Israel Firsters as a threat and will act accordingly.

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  494. We are surrounded by neocons for sure. And the type is nuttier than a ton of fruitcakes.

    “We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you do will meet our needs and demands. We will for ever destroy because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build.

    - Maurice Samuel, ‘You Gentiles’ (1924) p. 155

    https://ia802305.us.archive.org/3/items/YouGentiles/yougentiles_text.pdf

    Heaven help us; these unimaginable monsters are completely whacko. They need a world of their own alright. For now I’d be satisfied to see ‘em all in straitjackets. What a despicable pack of punks.

    Reminds me of what Oppenheimer said after the nuclear test…

    Where do these droppings come from and why do they continue to multiply?

  495. @jacques sheete

    Supposed to be, “Sweet work there!” :(

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  496. @jacques sheete

    chuckle

    thanks JS

    here I thought you’d introduced another new eptf to expand the UF vocabulary.

  497. @NoseytheDuke

    I can only remain where I came in on this issue.

    as a US citizen the interests of the US come first and last.

  498. @jacques sheete

    Laughing. good grief . . . the record on what caused WWI is pretty clear. too much play is the record. Your comment is akin to saying if you want to call someone use the phone and responding with using the phone gets too much play.

    The record of events as to cause and effect is on record. The communique’s, the locus and the nexus of what occurred and why is not a secret not it opinion — it’s spelled out in black and white.

    The loans that Germany borrowed were primarily from the US. when the US currency dipped — so did that of Europe, and Germany already in the short was hit even harder — that too is on record. The roaring twenties was essentially an unfunded liability. And the Jews of Germany were hit as hard as everyone else. across Europe.

    Ohhh good grief, I won’t even attempt to dissect the narrative here of how many jes owned the economy, or even that it matters. What is true that nearly all German Jews were in the same boat most Germans, experiencing the consequences of a conflict they lost and owners of an economy in trouble Suppose I grant that some number of Jews owned the economy, there’s no evidence that all jews did or even most Jews. Blaming all Jews for a supposed fault of but a few — that is called scapegoating. It’s also a failure in reason referred to as “overgeneralize”. as consequence for such overgeneralizing, a small group of Germans, the Nazi Party used as scapegoats Jews —

    Further complicating the argument, rounding up the jews not responsible for the banking system, only exacerbates the problem – as the Jews one thinks are responsible are left in place and based on the rationale, continue to exploit the those depending on the system. In other words blaming the and punishing Jews would matter if the accusation is accurate and only if you actually blamed and dealth those Jews supposedly guilty of the offence being pressed. In other words, — the Nazis missed the target. The international jews which one’s claims actually own the system remain in place and syill control the market — the economy that the Nazis built still relied on banking and international commerce owned according to them by Jews —-

    It’s a messy case and worse it is irrelevant. singling out those not responsible and blaming them is called scapegoating. A Jewish industrialist does not all jews make — stepping aside from the Jews are to blame for Germany’s woes —

    http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/holocaust.htm

    I feel silly having to pull up sights about the rise of the Nazis and their contentions and subsequent attacks on Jews.

    __________________

    As for your attempt yo shift the corner and change the discussion from the obvious scapegoating of Jews by Nazis and eventually most Germans, I can only say — those are different discussions. Interventionists attacks against Muslims or specific Muslims may be akin to scapegoating, and it may even be that Nazis are are blamed far to easily and casually — for things they are not responsible for — I might even go so far as to say, that Israel cannot blame the Nazis for what they are doing in Palestine — but that two is a different discussion.

    But the record that Jews as a people were singled out for Germany’s plight after WWI is not in dispute based on the historical record.

    I would consider a discussion about communism a different discussion.

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  499. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    In order to protect some of the vulnerable, is it permissible to keep them in ignorance?

  500. @SolontoCroesus

    This is a nice attempt to convolute the record.

    And its rather tawdry to take the my comments out of context and then proceed to make arguments as though they are a response, when in fact, thy are not. Your long exposition does nothing to refute why WWI occurred.

    Nor does it explain away the rise of the Nazi party and their use of all things gone wrong on Jews in the country or jewish economists, bank owners and industrialists outside the country.

    Number seven should simply state — that you think the jews en masse deserved what they got. I disagree because, very few Jews, if any were responsible for the loans taken out by the German leadership to pay off loans that were owned by the same people from which the original loans were purchased. —

    That system repeated since then was bound to eventually collapse, regardless of whether the Jews or the Native peoples of Australia were operating the financial system. By punishing the Jews also subject to the same consequences and had nothing to to with the finance system in question –

    that is often called scapegoating. And those jews didn’t deserve it.

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  501. @EliteCommInc.

    Hello EliteCommInc.

    Was the material I posted about Chaim Weizmann’s and Baron Rothschild’s activities among British war- and foreign policy- decision-makers true or false?
    Did it have short-term or long-term impacts?
    Were those impacts beneficial for Jews at the expense of Germans?

    Did German Jews starve to death proportional to non-Jewish Germans in the course of the British blockade?
    Is the starvation-death of 700,000+ of your citizens something that inspire in a government the determination to not let it happen again, or the opposite?

    How about the material I posted about Versailles negotiations: is it true or false that Jews, particularly American Jews, played a disproportionately large role in shaping policies that emerged from the conference?
    Did those policies have short-term or long-term impacts?
    Were those impacts beneficial for Jews at the expense of Germans?

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  502. @SolontoCroesus

    You are taking my definition of scapegoating as a historical jump, it precedes my comments on when and how scapegoating occurred. I think that is misleading, one hopes that it is not deliberate.

    By the numbers

    a. Completely irrelevant to the issue for how and why we get to WWI and the aftermath of scapegoating German jews. There is absolutely no dispute that German gentiles and German Jews worked side by side as Germans — regardless ideological differences. That is reality used by many Germans against the Nazi claims that jews undermined the German war effort in any manner. Bu all accounts Germans jews were loyal to Germany and behaved in Germany’s best interests.

    b. The Balfour agreement, noted a place for Jews, a desire by many Jews from the time jews most teir nation — what Balfour also did was to recognize that about five other ethnicities should granted a home in Palestine sometime in the future. Since German jews were already treated as full citizens in Germany, what other states regarding jews would be inconsequential to Germany. Chaim Weizmann, was british, the british as did all the allied states blamed Germany and Austria for the war and consequently engaged in punitive actions to have Germany provide reparations as well as prevent Germaby from re-arming as they thought Germany jewish or not was to cause for a good deal of europe’s issues. That blockade was a not a jewish cabal, but a demand of the allied powers.

    c. same response as “a” Since german Jews were already as equal citizens in Germany — what occurred as to jews in other states is immaterial.

    d. If jews were loyal to Germany during WWI, it’s a safe bet that jews in other states, i.e, Great Britain, France and elsewhere would be loyal to the states in which they lived. So German Jews at war with french Jews, British Jews — makes perfect sense and undermines the conspiracy of some European jewish cabal/conspiracy singularly against Germans. So jews on opposites did not sit out the war, but fully engaged as soldiers and spies, even that meant they spied and fought against each other. Blaming german jews fighting for Germany against British jews fighting against Germany — hardly makes much sense to advancing German interests. so the case you are suggesting is that german jews deserved what they got because they fought against other jews. That is a very peculiar rationale.

    e. I am unsure of the advance here that helps your argument. German Jews loyal to Germany demonstrating skills that would help Germany obtained positions in which said skills would benefit the country they were loyal too and for that loyalty and benefit — they were responsible for germany’s plight and therefore deserving of being singled out for retribution. i hate to say this, but this sounds like communist revolutionary style of thinking. They also blamed loyal citizens with skills they attempted to use to benefit the country only to discover that their loyalty and skills would be used against them. It is true that some communists were jews. It also true that some policemen and soldiers were jews that put down the same communist attempts. All thinking they were supporting Germany. Note: it was the aftermath of WWI that gave rise to both communists and Nazis. Since most in the government were non-Jews whether in leadership more as staff administrators, its safe to say that whatever failures existed were not singularly Jewish, or even most Jewish or had anything to do with being Jewish at all — — having yourself noted the environment — it’s perfectly clear that they were overwhelmed by the consequences of losing the war —

    f. previously addressed.

    Overall, I cannot get passed that your case here either is a nonsequitor to jewish fault or even participation and worse, completely contradicts that case for which these presses are being used to support. In short they make a case blaming Jews singularly or even mostly for anything that befell Germany after WWI or led to the cause of WWI. It does make a strong case that when the Nazis came to power that were willing to punish people who pro-Germany, even if that meant they would be in opposition to their kindred in other countries. I think that is a self defeating scenario.

    c.

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  503. @SolontoCroesus

    I find that sometimes that one needs a simple response to a rather obvious condition of history. as previously noted, it’s a tad silly to dig up sites stating what is obviously part of the historical record, That I need to pull pages from Mein kompf, or list sites of what is common knowledge . . . even german historians

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/03/the_scapegoating_of_jews.html

    http://www.blex.org/research/scapegoats.html

    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/why-were-jews-forced-to-scrub-the-sidewalks-of-vienna/

    It is entirely possible that 1% of the population owned all the wealth, controlled all the government decisions that resulted in Germany losing war effort. But the evidence is scant scanter still that they worked to undermine their own country.

    You have made one other comment that completely destroys your case. I will get to that later –

  504. @EliteCommInc.

    I gather English is not your first language, ECI, so I’ll try to be respectful.

    I must also say I did not track your commentary to its very beginning; in fact, you responded to my first substantive comment on this entire thread, which occurred only at #493/ 526. (Several commenters mentioned Douglas Reed, I started reading Controversy of Zion and tossed aside every other activity. The grandkid’s diaper is getting really stinky.)

    Furthermore, I think we’re talking past each other.
    I’ve presented quotations, events and persons who carried out acts; for the most part, each was accompanied by its source: if I presented Fake News or misinterpreted the Who What Where etc., call me out, smack me down.

    Your insistence on identifying Jews as “scapegoats” suggests to me a deeply engrained — the new concept is “epigenetic” — belief system enforced over several millennia. It aligns with one of the core concepts Reed identified:

    “Deuteronomy uses this doublespeak : the Lord makes the special people homeless among the heathen for their trsnsgressions; the heathen, who have no blame either for the [Judahites] exile or their transgressions, are their “persecutors”; ergo, the heathen will be destroyed.” (Controversy of Zion, page 21) h/t Zumbuddi

    As I recall the bible stories, it’s not Jews who end up dead in “scapegoating” scenarios, it’s the “unblemished ram caught in the thicket” that loses his/her/its life in order that Jews may fulfill some obligation in order to obtain the divine promise. (In addition to Reed’s writing, I’m trying to process Joel Kovel’s thesis that Jewishness is dominated by Guilt, and to relate that to Reed’s analysis that Jehudites/Levites dispense entirely with Guilt by scapegoating/destroying the ‘heathen.’ Lather, rinse, repeat.)

    Your resistance to answering relatively simple questions, and the cavalier way you wave away any sources that confound your beliefs, while relying on schlock regurgitations of the propagandized narrative, smacks of confirmation bias:

    Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias,[Note 1] is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one’s preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.[1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Confirmation bias is a variation of the more general tendency of apophenia.

    People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

    A series of psychological experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people’s conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way. However, even scientists can be prone to confirmation bias.

    gotta go. The Kid really stinks.

  505. @SolontoCroesus

    I generally tend to accept most comments without complaint unless they strike me as really off. In your case your comments just don’t make the case I think you are attempting to make.

    1. that the Jews were responsible for the loss of WWI

    2. that as consequence they deserved what they received via the Naxis and German population

    3. because they deserved it they are the correct targets for Germany’s woes and as such not scapegoats

    Your comments concerning the consequences of the allied embargo and other restrictions. And I note the other restrictions because the embargo alone is just part of the record.

    In response to your query:

    a. They implemented the policies in question based on allied policy toward Germany and Austria – not singularly as some manner of Jewish reprisal or schema. I think the evidence that a small number of jews in allied and central power states.

    b. the impact of the allied embrgo, the imposition of reparations and the depression that followed the war and the collapse of the loans system, were devastating to Germany. Now your contend that more German gentiles dies than German jews is most accurate, but that is a numbers game. If I have ten green cows and three green cows, the impact of a flu will be experienced by more green cows. In this case, a population of Jews that suffered as result of the impacts man made or otherwise on the general population would be less by the numbers — that in itself is not indicative of a conspiracy by jews. Nor is there evidence that German Jews orchestrated the loss by Germany not the consequences. Now the other social condition that is used to indict Jews is problematic, not because the evidence suggests some king Jewish conspiracy but rather because of the manner in which it cast. were there Jews who managed to escape some of the harshest aspects on the consequences after the war. But that was true for more Germans than jews and it makes sense given the small number of Jews in the country — small as to German gentiles. In this aspect, those who benefited whether German Jews or German gentiles were able to have a less constricted life — I would be hard pressed to make a case that during times of crisis there are not those who leverage negatives to their advantage. I would certainly grant that some Germans did so — but not exclusively Jewish Germans, though given the numbers of Jews numerically it might appear that way — to do so would be referred to as

    “scapegoating”. There’s not much in the way of evidence that German Jews behaved any less than Germans in general, whether they avoided the consequences to or not. Note: it is also important to consider where most German Jews live relative to where the most impact was felt.

    Note: the evidence is not there to demonstrate that Herman Jews deliberately took advantage of German gentiles — this the press of the proportional contention.

    c. Versailles treaty — I would note that most of the decision makers were not Jewish. But more importantly disproportionate to whom is The only players were the allied states — Germany note Austria had any voice at all — German Jewish or otherwise. The punishments handed to Germany and Austria were not based on whether the receivers were Jewish, but German.