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The pending normalization of full diplomatic relations with Cuba is long overdue and it is to be hoped that the agreement to limit Iran’s nuclear program will survive a congressional onslaught next month. That is all to the good and the administration of President Barack Obama deserves full credit for persevering in spite of nearly incessant attacks from the Israeli and Cuban lobbies both in congress and the media.

But even as the dust begins to settle the New York Times is reporting on a new existential crisis: same-sex marriages in the Foreign Service explored in an article entitled “State Department Fights for Rights of Gay Envoys.” Not that the Gray Lady is opposed to same-sex marriages for diplomats, quite the contrary. Its concern is that many highly qualified diplomats are turning down assignments because some benighted countries do not recognize same-sex unions and therefore do not accept that a man plus man or woman plus woman relationship actually qualifies as a diplomatic family. Which means that some Foreign Ministries are denying visas or accreditation for same-sex spouses. Worse still, as many countries regard homosexual behavior as a criminal offense, it suggests the possibility that some categories of Embassy and Consular family members not covered by full diplomatic immunity might find themselves arrested.

The Obama Administration is predictably outraged and is reported to be frantically working on the problem with the State Department making “securing the rights of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people around the world a priority” (my emphasis). But to my mind the fundamental problem is not same-sex marriage per se, which most Americans now no longer oppose, but the failure to comprehend what Embassies and Consular posts are supposed to do coupled with a characteristic inability to understand that American principles and rules, such as they are, do not have universal applicability. This is particularly true in the case of gay marriage, which impacts on sincerely held religious views and which is still a bone of contention even in the relatively tolerant United States and Western Europe.

Government at the White House level frequently does not understand how the great federal bureaucracies actually work. Contrary to the Times headline, being part of a diplomatic mission is a privilege, not a universal right, and both by law and convention the host country pretty much sets the rules on who may enter and under what conditions.

The article quotes Michael Guest, a gay former ambassador to Romania, who said “It’s increasingly a problem, as some countries have wanted to take a stand on the issue of marriage equality that isn’t really theirs to take.” He is wrong. The Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations stipulates that any country can expel or refuse to accept the presence of a foreign diplomat without providing any reasons whatsoever. Article 9 includes “The receiving State may at any time and without having to explain its decision, notify the sending State that the head of the mission or any member of the diplomatic staff of the mission is persona non grata or that any other member of the staff of the mission is not acceptable.” This is an option that the United States has exercised frequently in espionage cases as well as more recently in refusing to issue a visa to a proposed Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations in New York, for which the U.S. is the host nation.

The United States has also somewhat more questionably taken steps to restrict the travels of accredited diplomats with whom it is uncomfortable. Soviet era dips from Eastern Europe and Russia were generally required to get approval for traveling more than 25 miles outside of New York City or Washington and there have been similar restrictions on the movement of both Palestinian and Iranian representatives. So the host country is not obligated to accept anyone else’s standards and can in many respects set whatever rules it wishes within its sovereign territory.

Past U.S. determinations of who or what was acceptable were based on what were deemed to be security issues but the same sex marriage problem is something quite different. To be sure there have been homosexuals in government since the time of Pharaoh Khufu, and the United States Department of State has long had considerably more than its share with the once-upon-a-time understanding that it was best to stay in the closet. This was the rule in post-World War 2 America, both for diplomats and intelligence personnel, and it was largely justified by the danger of blackmail or the creation of diplomatic “incidents” as homosexual activity was illegal almost everywhere. When I served in the Rome Embassy in the 1970s one particularly flamboyant political officer who was almost but not quite out of the closet was generally accepted until he was observed regularly cruising at odd hours in the nearby Villa Borghese Park, leading to his being warned to cool his jets lest he come to the attention of the Carabinieri, who at that time staged regular roundups at gay gatherings to target what was then regarded as public indecency.

But one’s sexual preferences were rarely a problem in Italy back then and even less so now as homosexual relations have been legal since 1890. Civil unions that guarantee property rights, pensions or inheritance without regard to gender do not, however, exist in law, which means there are no same-sex marriages. One imagines that same-sex couples who go to diplomatic posts in Italy do so with a wink and a nod from the authorities at the Foreign Ministry, who are not likely to make an issue out of it. But Italian deliberate ambiguity about what constitutes a marriage is not the norm everywhere else. By one estimate 50% of all Foreign Service posts do not recognize or accept same-sex diplomatic or official couples.

The State Department sensibly insists that all of its employees should be free to accept assignments anywhere in the world, but not so sensibly it has appointed a Special Envoy for the Rights of Gay, Bisexual and Transgender people, both politicizing the issue and turning American diplomats into promoters of personal choices that many foreigners consider immoral as well as illegal. And Congress has predictably jumped on the band wagon with 100 Congressmen (99 Democrats and one Republican) calling on State to reciprocate by denying visas for families of diplomats from countries that discriminate against homosexuals.

In tackling the LGBT issue as a global crusade while also making it a major concern for U.S. embassies the White House and Democrats in Congress are not really doing anyone any favors. Overseas diplomatic missions exist to benefit broad American national interests, not to promote specific group agendas or to confront the host country on its laws and customs. Ambassadors traditionally enabled dialogue and established communications channels among nations while the consular services provided a mechanism to help ensure that American travelers and businessmen would be treated fairly by the local authorities. Having an embassy did not mean that Americans should not be subject to local laws, nor did it serve as a blunt instrument to demand that the foreigners be required to accept American values and customs.

But that vision of diplomacy was all before “democracy promotion,” much loved by Democratic presidents enamored of social engineering, for whom LGBT is almost certainly seen as a subset of democracy. And if past experience of government is anything to go by, this Obama initiative will probably morph into a War on Homophobia under President Hillary Clinton complete with a Czar and a substantial budget to pay for lots of first class travel to hotspots like Copenhagen to participate in conferences convened by gay rights activists.

In truth, the democracy cum human rights agenda has undeniably done a great deal of damage to the United States. It is still falsely cited as the one benefit that came out of the invasion of Iraq and is also used to justify the continued presence in Afghanistan. It led to the unfortunate intervention in Libya, fueled the drive to “do something” in Syria, overthrew an elected government in Ukraine and it is also behind much of the criticism of Russia and its president Vladimir Putin. In reality all the frenetic activity to turn the world into Peoria has produced little beyond trillions of dollars of debt, thousands of dead Americans and quite likely millions of dead foreigners.

And the focus on cultural and social issues is frequently a perversion of diplomacy. Some recent Ambassadorial appointees, to include Michael McFaul in Russia and Robert Ford in Syria, were intended to confront the domestic policies of local governments that Washington disapproved of rather than to engage with them in dialogue. Beyond that, America’s roving mischief makers to include the State Department’s Victoria Nuland and various Senators named McCain and Graham showed up regularly in troubled regions to harass the local authorities. To put it mildly, that is not what diplomacy is all about. Diplomacy is a process whereby no one wins everything while no one loses completely producing a result that everyone can live with. It is not about “We are right. Take it or leave it.”

It is indeed acceptable for a national government to urge greater tolerance as President Obama did on his recent trip to Africa but creating a bureaucracy to assert the global primacy of American values to include what constitutes a marriage benefits no one, least of all those being “protected,” as in many countries that would only serve to enable labeling the sexual dissidents as American agents. And the idea of punishing the families of diplomats from countries that see marriage differently is completely absurd as it will produce retaliation, damaging to genuine American interests and potentially threatening the security of U.S. diplomats overseas.

The entire feel good process of instructing others how to live derives from a peculiar American sense that we somehow understand important things better than anyone else and everyone should follow our lead. It is a dangerous conceit as it breeds resentment and inevitably leads to tit-for-tat responses that serve no purpose. The United States is already viewed negatively by a large part of the world. Adding fuel to the fire by complaining about others’ values while promoting marginal causes that inevitably will be controversial is not what most American citizens should expect from their government. Unfortunately it is all too often what we wind up getting.

 
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  1. Lot says:

    I’m not surprised that the columnist, so often defending Islamic barbarism toward Israel, also defends it toward gay Americans.

    The entire feel good process of instructing others how to live derives from a peculiar American sense that we somehow understand important things better than anyone else and everyone should follow our lead.

    More anti-Western moral relativism. Who are we Americans to offer moral instruction, if anything it is Somali and Saudi Arabia that should be instructing us!

  2. Lot says:

    And Congress has predictably jumped on the band wagon with 100 Congressmen (99 Democrats and one Republican) calling on State to reciprocate by denying visas for families of diplomats from countries that discriminate against homosexuals.

    Fewer Arabs and Africans with diplomatic immunity in the USA? The horror!

  3. Obama should call in the papal nuncio for a conversation:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/11/who-punked-the-cardinal/

    ^ And demand an explanation 😉

  4. guest says:

    I don’t think telling others how to live is peculiarly American. It’s just that everyone notices more because we have more money and bombs (and willingness to use them). The Soviets, for instance, sweated sanctimony out of their poors. But they were also the world’s foremost “realists,” and could break bread with their sworn enemies, as they did with Hitler. Which didn’t make them better diplomats, only shrewder politicians.

    We act like our good grace is the holy of holies.I don’t know why. Why was the thought of meeting with Iran, let alone agreeing to anything, unthinkable to so many so recently as the ’08 election? As though we were to continue sanctioning them forever after, or until they magically turned to democratic capitalism,or whatever we’re calling the final form of the state at the End of History. Not that I’d necessarily like us to go wholly “realist.” No one scares me more than Henry Kissinger.

  5. I believe the phenomenon Mr. Girardi describes is Puritanism shorn of any faith.

    • Replies: @Dismayed
    , @Bill Jones
  6. Queer marriage, along with queer sodomy, queer pornography, queer glory holing, queer promiscuity, and queer elective abortion have nothing inherently to do with democracy.

    In fact, if put to the voters, almost all typical queer activities would be banned by a solid majority.

    So-called queer rights originate from the scumbag leaders of diversity, a national victim cult.

    The leaders of diversity have organized a majority of voters into a victim cult, with disparate desires for undue privileges.

    The key word is “undue”, meaning unconstitutional.

    Queers and their diversity cohorts have bamboozled the public with intense propaganda aimed at electing US senators that will in turn appoint activist judges.

    Activist judges typically make bizarre and twisted rulings in favor of victim cult people such as queers, and generally ignore the letter and spirit of constitutional law.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    , @guest
  7. I guess you could say that the Obama doctrine is about making the world “safe” for gay marriage. But in all seriousness, Secretary of State, John Kerry, did indeed say that “gay rights” was now a crucial part of American foreign policy. This is worrisome because there are plenty of countries who mistreat their gays–liberal interventionists, like Hillary Clinton and Samantha Powers, and the Neoconservatives could use the mistreatment of gays as another excuse to bomb another country. Of course, if you do say that American foreign policy should be about pursing America’s national interests, you’re dismissed as a kook.

    • Agree: Ronald Thomas West
    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  8. David says:
    @Lot

    I laughed when Nentanyhu said the Iran deal should be opposed because Iran is an oppressor of gays and women. No anti-Western moral relativist he.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
  9. Is it true that homosexual relations have been legal in Italy since 1890? Or was that a typo?

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  10. @David Bruce

    Hillary did indeed use ‘women’s rights’ as a pretext for Afghan policy and it is one of the political rationales for keeping troops there; even as the Afghan government we support endorsed a Mullahs ruling “Men are fundamental, women are secondary”

  11. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    It’s all going to end very badly. At this point in time we might as well call The Democratic and Republican Parties the Syphllitic Bloody Rectum Party. The Democratic and Republican Parties are a Black Mass whose altar is a syphllitic bloody rectum.

    Is there enough Lysol on the Planet Earth to cleanse the Planet Earth of this social..cultural…and “spiritual filth!!!!!

    There is no more vile SCUM!!!!!!!! in the whole of the Universe than the Democratic and Republican Party….and the pedophile infested Vatican……

  12. Tom Welsh says:

    It seems to me that Mr Giraldi and most of the commenters have slightly missed the point. Mr Giraldi discusses the rights and wrongs of foreign nations accepting or not accepting gay diplomats. As he correctly points out, legally a nation is entitled to choose which foreign diplomats it will and will not accept, without giving any reason at all.

    HOWEVER… all this agonized debate about what is ethically right and wrong is merely an hors d’oeuvres. The main course, which will inevitably follow, is that we will be told that the USA must carry out its divinely-ordained mission to spread “human rights” everywhere in the world – and, if necessary, to impose them by force.

    It’s no coincidence that we are now hearing so much about the sacred right of same-sex marriage, when Russia (to pick a country entirely at random) is culturally uncomfortable with the idea. There has been a lot of gross exaggeration in this context: Russian law merely does its best to forbid active marketing of homosexuality to minors. But one must admit that most Russians are less than keen on gay sex and culture. (Just as, we should remember, most Americans and British people were as little as 40-50 years ago – except that we were a lot less tolerant than the Russians are).

    My reading of the phenomenon is that gay rights will be yet another battering ram for the US government to force its way into the internal affairs of all sorts of foreign nations. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if rivers of (other people’s) blood are shed over it, just as women’s rights were so loudly invoked in support of the attack on Afghanistan. (Less so in Iraq, dare I say, as women’s rights were quite well established in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq but have now more or less disappeared since the invasion).

    • Replies: @David Bruce
    , @Graham
  13. geokat62 says:

    But one’s sexual preferences… turning American diplomats into promoters of personal choices

    Phil, while I agree with the thesis of your article, I completely disagree with your characterization that homosexuality is a “preference” or “choice.” I think it is more accurate to describe it as someone’s “sexual orientation.”

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    , @Avery
  14. @Philip Ebersole

    True…remember that that Italian Risorgimento was more than a little anti-religious as the Pope was the principal opponent of a unified Italy

  15. J Yan says:

    The subtitle might be better be expressed as “State Department is gobbled by identity politics.”

  16. @geokat62

    You’re right – I was putting it in the terms that the foreigners might use. Sexual orientation is certainly how I would view it (in most cases).

  17. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Moutain"] says:

    Phil Giraldi

    What you leave out of course is that the MEGA-CEO owned Democratic-Republican Party is actively and viciously destabilizing socially and culturally conservative Nations across the Planet…..and if it takes a ten year B-52 carpet bombing campaign topped off with an agent orange defoliation campaign to beat a socially and culturally conservative Nation into submission….so be it!…After which the destroyed and conquered Nation is very rapidly Gay normed by the importation of NGOs that ferociously agitate for the homo filth norming of the Nation. This is exactly what happened, and is happening in Vietnam in 2015. In 2015, Vietnam is homo-filth normed to the max with legalized homo marriage and a booming Gay Tourist Industry satisfying the pedophile urges of European and American Gay couples who enjoy the services of young homo normed Vietnamese teenage males.

    Noam Chomsky is absolutely right when he writes that the US won the Vietnam War.

    Conservative Orthodox Christian Russians are well aware of what they are up against.

  18. @Tom Welsh

    @Tom Welsh,
    I agree with your thesis that the “gay rights” agenda is merely part of our “divinely-ordained mission to spread human rights.” But I think that was the subtle point of Mr. Giraldi’s piece. He was ultimately analyzing the “Obama Doctrine”(making the world “safe” for gay marriage) as the latest manifestation of this crusade to spread “human rights” to the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  19. Tom Welsh says:
    @David Bruce

    Thanks, David. You are probably right about Mr Giraldi’s intention. I was just concerned that the huge violence implicit in this situation should be made more explicit!

    • Replies: @David Bruce
  20. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Phil should stop gracefully beating around the bush…This is what is going on:Greedy Cheating White Male Liberal MEGA-CEOs own both the Democratic and Republican Party…These psychopaths want to own and control all of the Planet Earth’s resoures-including labor….wage slavery for the Human Species.

    The Homo-Filth norming of the various ethnic and racial tribes of the Human Species goes hand-in hand with this conquest of the Human Species and Planet Earth by the violent psychopathic White Liberal Male MEGA-CEOs….for this social and cultural filth is the “moral” code of these Psychopaths.

    The Greeding Cheating Liberal White Male MEGA-CEO aspires to have demi-god life and death power over the entire Human Species and The Planet Earth….this is what the acquisition of mega- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ billions is all about.

    It is about time that We The Human Species give these psychopaths the Vlad the Impaler treatment in an open field…their high-pitched girly boy screams will be music to our ears!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. Dismayed says:
    @Warren peterson

    insightful … food for though

  22. Avery says:
    @geokat62

    I am no doctor, just a layman observer.

    For some, it definitely would be no-choice, as their brains are wired (by logical induction).
    Same way some persons have ambiguous gender equipment: nature screwed up somewhere during their development.
    Not their fault. Not their choice.
    Same with the brain.

    But human sexuality is not like a quadrangle, with a sharp demarcation: it is a skewed bell curve.
    By natural selection, overwhelming majority are strongly heterosexual: from Nature’s point of view there is no benefit in someone being homosexual.
    Nature is blind: its only goal is to propagate the species.
    But on the other end of the bell curve, some are 100% homosexual, and some not so.
    There is a gradation.
    So there is a choice for some: they could go either way, but choose both or homosexuality exclusively.

    In human societies we live in, we (the society), place a lot of (seemingly) arbitrary behavioural restrictions on people, as the price of living in an ordered society.
    We also discriminate, legally.
    E.g. men are the only gender _required_ by law to be available for draft: not women.
    Society accepts it, because it is good for the society (the species).
    Women are indispensable for the propagation of humans.
    Men are dispensable: e.g. one healthy male can impregnate N healthy, young women.
    Other men need to make sure, at the cost of their lives if necessary, that women and children are protected from being killed.

    We also discriminate against old people, for example.
    We don’t want pilots to fly passengers after age 60, because, older people are not physically or mentally as sharp as younger ones (notwithstanding 57 year old pilot Chesley Sullenberger saving people’s lives thanks to his years of experience).
    We force divorced father out of his house, because society considers mother more essential to small children’s welfare: father is required by law to pay the bills.

    There are many such examples of society discriminating against certain members for the “good of society”.
    So the issue of society’s acceptance/nonacceptance of homosexuality is not as B&W as some people argue.

  23. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Re “clickbait”

    Good try but I think a lot of people here know better. For the rest of the readers, homophobia (relating to the essay I had linked) is largely, if not entirely, a Judeo-Christian phenomena. It’s interesting to note the militarized (pre-Christian) Roman society and the Greeks of Alexander before that, were quite open about, and accepting of, bi-sexuality in men. After Rome had been Christianized, this widespread cultural habit had been either driven into the closet or repressed.

    The essay I had linked (again)

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/16/raphaels-paradox/

    ^

    • Replies: @Lepanto
    , @WhatEvvs
    , @Thirdeye
  24. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:

    ‘Obama’ = Jewish power.

    Just as GOP whores suck up to AIPAC…

    Obama and Dems suck up to GAYPAC, which is really a proxy arm of Jews.

    Homo supremacism–homo minority over straight majority–complements and compliments Jewish supremacism–Jewish minority over gentile majority.

    Homo agenda has been a Jewish globalist proxy movement.

    Everywhere Zio-American power takes over(at least if the society isn’t Islamic), ‘gay pride’ parade is de rigeur or de buggeur.

    Especially Christian and East Asian nations are targeted. US goes easy on Muslim nations like Saudi Arabia hat is pro-US.

    It is a way of saying YOU’RE OUR BITCH.

    White America is the bitch of Jews, and white America now serves Jews to spread homo agenda all over to turn other nations into bitches of global Jewish power.

    Because Jew-controlled US and EU are the centers of homo culture, global homo culture/power will be the proxy of the Jew-run West.

    It’s like communism was theoretically international and controlled by no single nation, but it was in fact dominated by Moscow because Soviets had the power and prestige. To be politically communist in the 20th century meant you toed the Moscow line.

    To be politically homo means you pink-toe the Zio-globalist line of NY, LA, San Fran.

    Homintern is controlled by NY like Comintern was controlled by Moscow.
    It favors Western domination over the rest just like communization meant becoming a Soviet satellite.

    As homos in many nations feel alienated from their own society, they make ideal collaborator-fifth columnists.

    We see this plainly in Poland, Georgia, Ukraine, Japan, South Korea, Hungary, Armenia, and now even Vietnam that had once resisted American imperialism.

    The homo flag is the new symbol of western domination of the world.

    And when homomania is made the new patriotism, it is an easy way for Jewish elites to make us hate Russia, China, and the Muslim world for not submitting to the Jew-run America’s globalist agenda.

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @castle2001
  25. We should go ahead and suppress the damned queers now before it’s too late. Or at the least, jail a few thousand and make the rest of the filthy pack scurry back into their fetid closets. It should be open season on these debauched creatures.

  26. geokat62 says:

    It should be open season on these debauched creatures.

    Would you feel the same way if one of those “debauched creatures” happened to be your offspring?

  27. @geokat62

    Would you feel the same way if one of those “debauched creatures” happened to be your offspring?

    It changed Dick Cheney’s attitude 😉

    • Replies: @Biff
  28. Qasim says:

    In truth, the democracy CUM human rights agenda has undeniably done a great deal of damage to the United States.

    Mr Giraldi, you probably will deny it, but I see what you did there, disgustingly clever! 🙂

  29. Giuseppe says:

    It’s bad enough that the State Dept would use American views of sexuality to push foreign diplomats around and force homosexuality on the rest of the world, but it has also practically been used as a casus belli in propagandizing a war with Russia. And the Empire’s vassal, Ukraine, obediently held a little gay pride march in Kiyv a few months back.

    • Replies: @Avery
  30. @Tom Welsh

    @Tom Welsh,
    I agree. The liberal interventionists and Necons have been, and will continue, to use “gay rights” as an excuse to bomb a country they don’t like. Also, the gay rights agenda is fueling a lot of the hostility towards Russia, which is no joking matter.

  31. Biff says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    I recently saw a documentary(can’t recall the name) about white evangelicals preaching from their high pulpit the sins of homosexuality right up to the moment their kid comes out of the closet(for midgets it was the cupboard), and the usual pattern took place – denial, anger, silence, acceptance, and then in defense – meaning there choice was between the church and their child, and many chose the child.

    In one poor case a lady basically disowned her daughter and chose the church, and her daughter committed suicide, and it was only after that the lady did some soul searching, and dumped the church, and realized how wrong she was.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  32. Gay marriage is an “American value” in the same sense as abortion or subsidized healthcare.

    America is fundamentally divided on these issues. Obama’s state department is just carrying the culture war into international waters.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  33. @Biff

    Sounds about right. There is a tremendous amount of repressed homosexuality in the evangelical right wing, so much so, the hypocrisy is nothing short of astounding (until it’s compared to other evangelical hypocrisies, then not so surprising.) Here’s a poster-child:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard

    And then we have the who’s who of hypocrites:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_scandals

    ^

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  34. Sherman says:
    @Priss Factor

    You’re very knowledgeable about gays and Jews.

    You’re probably a gay Jew.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  35. Avery says:
    @Giuseppe

    Empire’s vassals can break all the rules of the Empire, because – they already are vassals.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-odesa-bans-gay-pride-festival/27189482.html
    {An Odesa court has banned a gay-pride festival that was originally planned for this weekend in the Ukrainian port city, saying the event could lead to violence.
    Two months after far-right activists attacked demonstrators at a small lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) march in Kyiv, there had been hopes among organizers and supporters of gay rights that the August 13-16 events would be protected under the city’s new, fiercely pro-Western governor, former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. }

    We never hear the Empire complain about rights of homosexuals in another vassal state, Saudi Arabia, do we?

    Empire cares only that a state, any state, submit to its will: everything else can be “negotiated”.
    Homosexual rights, and all others – democracy, rule of law, blah, blah, blah – are very effective tools in the Empire’s toolbox of breaking up countries.
    Empire couldn’t care less about anybody’s rights.

    • Replies: @giuseppe
  36. @geokat62

    Somehow this line of reasoning is never invoked for other sexual aberrancies. Are Jared Fogle’s parents changing their views on the age of consent now? Should they? Are Americans the only ones with gay kids? How can so many other parents around the world maintain opposition to gay marriage while having gay kids?

    I have a disproportionate percentage of LGBT in my family – out of the 12 kids of the last 2 generations, 2 were gay and a 3rd transgendered. We also had 2 die in psychiatric institutions, and 3 alcoholics and 2 pedophiles (some overlap there – we’re talking 7 people total). Having children or close relatives that are oriented towards a variety of bizarre, perverse and/or self-destructive behaviors shouldn’t normalize the conditions.

  37. the globalization of Weimar.

  38. A couple of observations:
    – As Gerald Celente (among many others, surely) pointed out, you can go to YouTube and easily find relatively recent clips of Obama and Hillary inveighing against same-sex marriage in the strongest terms.
    – I remember that when the old king died, Obama spat in the eyes of the Indians and jetted over to the Kingdom to pay his respects to the new king. So I can’t help but wonder – when will the State Department take care of gay rights in the Kingdom? Why don’t they send a few gay diplomats there, together with their “families”?

    Do you guys ever wonder if there is more than lunacy and hypocrisy to the LGBT hysteria? Perhaps E. Michael Jones and his intellectual likes are correct in saying that the sexual revolution is (among other things) a sort of a post-modern instrument of political control.

  39. Lepanto says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    It is more complicated….pre-modern (1700s or so) sexual patterns in the Mediterranean, whether among Christians, Jews, or Muslims, were largely unchanged from that of pre-Christian Greeks and Romans, who, by the way, did not fully endorse homosexual practices, and often derided effeminacy in men. And it was pretty much the pattern in my Italian American neighborhood through the 1970s (this was pre-LGBT).

    I notice that your often incisive criticism of current issues flounders when you make what I think are unsustainable meta-statements about “Western” culture or languages. You present recent (modern) developments as essential and trans historical traits, which you then often set against an idealized non-west. This just does work – and it cuts very close to the essentializing that the LGBTers are doing by seeing all same sex practices as reducible to the current American typology of LGBT.

    On this problem see this essay by Massad: http://publicculture.dukejournals.org/content/14/2/361.citation

    On homosexuality across history and culture see here: http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/H/bo3643465.html

    On the tendency to “romanticize” non-western transgender practices see: http://www.policy.hu/takacs/courses/matters/RomancingTheTransgenderNative.pdf

  40. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @Sherman

    “You’re probably a gay Jew.”

    You’re tho wrong and thuch a bitch.

  41. Lepanto says:
    @Lepanto

    Correction: The sentences: “This just does work…” should read “This just does not work…”

  42. jjc says:

    The State Department has “weaponized” gay rights, and also pulled off the neat trick of neutralizing a progressive political lobby. Bradley Manning was named honorary parade marshall at a San Francisco Pride event a few years ago, but his name had to be withdrawn after pressure from corporate sponsors. Once you become mainstream you get corporate sponsors.

    Despite appearances and superficialities, the U.S. government is not on board with human rights except where they are useful as a geo-political tool.

  43. WhatEvvs [AKA "Aamirkhanfan"] says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Speaking of clickbait, pot kettle black. Your characterization of Christianity as misogynistic made me laugh.

    So it was a Christian who said “”If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do without that nuisance; but since nature has so decreed that we cannot manage comfortably with them, nor live in any way without them, we must plan for our lasting preservation rather than for our temporary pleasure.”

    Greco-Roman homosexuality was based on their contempt for females. Love to the Greeks was something between equals. A female was someone you impregnated and controlled, or paid for.

    In the Reign of the Phallus is an excellent and unfairly neglected book.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  44. WhatEvvs [AKA "Aamirkhanfan"] says:

    @Mr. Giraldi,

    Great post. Do you know if US diplomats to India have ever said a word about the caste system? I’m not aware that one diplomat has ever said a thing about it.

  45. giuseppe says:
    @Avery

    Well, it might be speculated that the Empire put a kabash on any gay pride march in Odessa. Odessa is where the 30 or 40 people were burned alive by Ukronazis shortly after the CIA engineered coup, and the Empire might justifiably feel a gay march there could encite violence whose images would not comport with the Empire’s narrative of Ukraine’s victim status.

  46. Sam Shama says:

    Perhaps I am missing something as I read the many comments here. What I gleaned from this article – away from the single issue of LGBT rights – elucidates what a distortion of the specific purposes of diplomatic missions that is being wrought by using them as instruments to promote our social agenda overseas.

    Diplomatic service is indeed a privilege, not a right. They serve to communicate American foreign policy abroad, protect American citizens when they travel overseas, and perhaps, act as housing centres for intelligence assets 🙂 . Promoting LGBT rights or any other domestic agenda only serves to jeopardise all of those functions.

    One can be a supporter of LGBT rights or any other domestic issue, but please do so using proper forums.

    Great post!

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    , @WhatEvvs
  47. @Lepanto

    This just does work – and it cuts very close to the essentializing that the LGBTers are doing by seeing all same sex practices as reducible to the current American typology of LGBT.

    To be fair, I’m wondering if you meant ‘this just does NOT work’

    In any case, I’ve given little attention to the LGBT movement as a political phenomenon, more interesting to me is the simplistic interpretations of gender in ‘mainstream’ western culture, western culture confusing what I call ‘androgynous intelligence’ with sexuality and the homophobia in western culture and how that relates to not only repressing/persecuting gays but self repression (denial) and the more insidious closet homosexuality frequently found in the persecutors of homosexuals. This last I would call (irreverently) ‘gay nazis for christ syndrome.’

    If you’re referring to the still widely practiced bi-sexuality in contemporary Italian men being similar to the pre-Christian Roman model, I would simply note it’s not nearly as open and out of the closet, even if many Italian wives tolerate it with a wink and a nod among themselves. That in and of itself is an essential difference between the ancient and the modern.

    Just to inform, I rather see some male gays as similar to evangelists. At times I find both offensive. To me, whether it were a male homosexual had a wrong read on his ‘gaydar’ and hit on me in a park, or whether Christians accosted me with a ‘be saved or burn’ message, I would find both equally offensive. If that is or seems unusual, it”s likely because I was not primarily shaped by western culture.

    Western culture is subject to certain sweeping generalizations; as in Alfred North Whitehead’s observation ‘Europe is a footnote to Plato’ (and Marimba Ani’s excellent criticism of European cultural mentality would seem to back Whitehead)

    • Replies: @Lepanto
  48. @WhatEvvs

    Your characterization of Christianity as misogynistic made me laugh

    There are few, if any, greater examples of misogyny than ‘the fall’ or ‘original sin’

    “Do you not know you are each an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that forbidden tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert – that is death – even the Son of God had to die” – ‘church father’ Tertullian

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    , @Deduction
  49. @Sam Shama

    Thank you Sam! That is precisely what I meant to convey!

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Deduction
  50. The AIDS epidemic is not over.

    CDC data demonstrates that the top 3 purveyors of HIV are queers aka MSM.

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

    Another interesting factoid derived from the CDC chart is that practically all new HIV infections are being acquired by victim cult people:

    white queer
    black queer
    Hispanic queer
    black women
    black men
    white women
    Hispanic women
    black male recreational drug user

    The CDC reveals why diversity people are the greatest fans of big government giveaways of expensive AIDS treatments and drugs.

    Queers and other victim cult people are odious not just because they spread awful disease, but also because they promote totalitarian government.

  51. I find this foot stamping by American perverts to be most amusing. You are free to bugger each other until the cows come home or believe that a man becomes a woman by whacking off his penis. Canyon yodelers are free to do whatever they do, with or without strap-ons. Poofters can poof. But most of the world will continue to consider you degenerates and freaks. That is just how it is.

  52. guest says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    And DID precisely convey.

    Why must some of you ding-a-lings swarm a clearly written essay with your irrelevant (in the context of what Mr. Giraldi has addressed) views on homosexuality, etc? Are you bedfast or imprisoned, with nothing else to do?

    Thanks, too, to Sam for his valiant effort to refocus the discussion.

  53. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @The Millennial Falcon

    ——Gay marriage is an “American value” in the same sense as abortion or subsidized healthcare.——-

    Especially when Jewish elites are coming out of the closet and admitting and celebrating the fact that THEY had a decisive role in the promotion of the ‘gay’ agenda, I think we should all call Jewish Foul on this.

    It’s no longer even a secret. Jews are so convinced that brainwashed and butt-trained Americans are now so pro-homo(almost as much as they are pro-Zionist and pro-Jewish)that Jews are TAKING CREDIT for it.

    But by nature, this homo stuff is garbage, and there is a chance that people will wake up that Jews have sold a deviancy as the New Decency.

    We should say over and over and over

    JEWS DID THIS
    JEWS DID THIS
    JEWS DID THIS

    [MORE]

    We must never discuss the homo issue apart from Jewish power. They are joined at the hip.

    http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/how-jews-brought-america-to-the-tipping-point-on-marriage-equality-lessons-for-the-next-social-justice-issues

    There was a time when Jews would have screamed ‘antisemitic canard’ if someone suggested that Jews were behind the ‘gay agenda’.

    Now, even Jews admit it and take credit for it.

    JEWS DID IT
    JEWS DID IT
    JEWS DID IT.

    PS. Personally, I believe homos exist and some are born that way, and they should be allowed to do their homo thing in private. I believe in separation of church and state.
    But opposition to the ‘gay’ agenda is not, for me, a religious issue but a moral one.
    Morality must be based on truth.
    Some people are born homo, but it is an objective fact that Homosexuality is a sexual deviancy. A form of ‘sexuality’ where a man fecal-penetrates another man is not normal, not healthy, not decent, and not biologically meaningful.
    It should be tolerated. It should not be celebrated… as Jews made us do.

    ‘Gay’ wrongs should not be ‘gay rights’ for homos to force the rest of us to praise them, stop criticizing homosexuality, and bend over to all their sicko demands.
    Homos should have the freedom to do something wrong(as long as it’s not criminal), but they have no right to force us to approve of and praise their wrongs.

    Of course, one appeal of homo agenda to white Liberals(and even white Cons) is that it allows them to revive a form of ‘white supremacism’. In an age when whites must apologize for their ‘privilege’ and power, the homo issue is one thing with which whites can act ‘morally superior’ and ‘more evolved’ over non-whites who are less willing to bend over to the whole homo thing.

    Also, homos have been very instrumental in gentrifying cities and driving blacks out, and even white Cons like Ann Coulter are thankful of that.

    • Replies: @Deduction
  54. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Sam Shama

    LGBT rights isn’t a domestic agenda according to its advocates. They think it’s a matter of universal human rights. Why not promote it abroad, as we would racial equality?

    This exposes the fraudulence of the Philip Giraldi types. He really hates the LGBT agenda at heart and doesn’t have the guts to say so.

    BTW, Phil, what about that caste thing?

    • Replies: @Renoman
    , @Sam Shama
  55. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Yawn. You ignore my point, I’ll ignore you.

    It’s obvious you have no idea who, or what, I was referring to.

  56. Queer diplomats have been around since sodomy was invented.

    The larger, more important story is the totalitarian nature of victim cultists.

    Victim cultists have successfully turned the US into a larger version of Israel, with the same enemies.

    These victim cult fruitcakes are now aiming their cult hegemony toward Russia, a large and aggressive nuclear state. They’re risking annihilation war.

    Wake up real people!

  57. Deduction says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Do you not think that US pro-homosexuality also serves an espionage and diplomatic purpose?

    Maybe I’m clutching at straws, but gays have traditionally been easily recruited as traitorous spies.

    Which is a positive if you’re the country recruiting them.

    Divide and conquer has worked pretty well for the governments of the West in the West. I don’t see why it might not equally work for them in the East.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  58. Deduction says:
    @Priss Factor

    If celebrating gay rights hurts us, why not wish it on our competitors/enemies?

  59. @Warren peterson

    You are exactly right, all of this bullshit has its roots in the North East, the Puritans were in search of religious freedom only in this sense: They were looking for somewhere to establish their totalitarian religious state.

    All that’s changed is that the object of worship has switched from Christ to the State.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @n/a
  60. Deduction says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    I just had a look at your blog. I liked it but it’s far out. I think you need to do a bit more Occam’s Razor and a bit less grand, all-encompassing theory.

    For example, I think guys like girls who work out not because of gynophobia or whatever but because they’re fit and healthy.

    If that sounds gay to you, then consider it’s opposite – unfit and unhealthy; which would never be the sexual predilection of someone properly labelled as straight.

    On a biological level, regular exercise means adequate blood flow to the skin and so it is literally more alive and supple. An obviously attractive quality as opposed to dying and rotting.

  61. Romanian says:

    I hope that quote from HE Amb. Guest was not meant to suggest that my people were in any way ill-mannered and unwelcoming of him. I don’t remember ever reading or hearing a word disparaging him for his orientation. That being said, gay marriage and overt gay pride is a bit too much for us to take in the public sphere. Being gay is seen as a bit of a cruel fate, but there is no particularly crystallized ill will towards gay people. Liberals might recognize in my country a problem they also have: that young people are the likeliest to be tolerant of … novelty, especially with the huge push by American media to normalize such lifestyles, but certain societies are producing too few new people to carry that torch. Liberals are often reduced to indoctrinating other people’s children. I sometimes think that I see in my society a bit of filtering of the noise from outside, with my peers, being not particularly targeted or harassed for indoctrination, taking the good in things and not the bad: a gentle type of equity feminism, rather than the mad gender kind, a nonplussed attitude towards gays but not particularly doubting their own inclinations or the traditional ideal of having a family etc.

    Then again, I agree with everything said in this article, that it should not be the place of people advancing the US’ foreign policy to hector the countries they are dispatched to for personal issues. Is the US simply going to forego representation in and from a country whose stance on homosexuality it (meaning the people currently in charge) disagrees with?

  62. Renoman says:

    Worrying about Gay rights is completely unnecessary. “Poor stupid Gay people” is a very thin book. Just leave them alone, they’ll do just fine.

  63. Renoman says:
    @WhatEvvs

    Nearly everyone hates the LGBT agenda, we’re all real tired of it. Bunch of Circus freak loud mouth jerks.

  64. Sam Shama says:
    @WhatEvvs

    I reckon you are a strong advocate for LGBT rights.

    That is quite fine, except you do not get to use the platform of a diplomatic mission to further your cause. You might wish to consider actually traveling e.g, to Saudi Arabia, India, Russia, Korea, etc. at your own expense (not the Taxpayer’s), and engage in mobilising public opinion there with your cohort. I daresay you will likely not encounter a friendly response, to put it rather mildly. I would go further and speculate, that is precisely why you wish for diplomatic cover, which ought not be available, since it’s mission is specific, critical and orthogonal to your own.

    Also, its not compulsory to support and any specific agenda, simply because it happens to be the cause célèbre of the moment, is it?

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
  65. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    to include Michael McFaul

    The guy passes in US as, and I quote, “foremost Russian scholar”. Duck and cover, what can I say. I applaud for this piece, Philip Giraldi. I hope there are many like you still serving in CIA.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  66. @Deduction

    Queer privileges don’t “hurt”, they offend normal people.

    So also does militant queer victim cult totalitarian government offend normal people.

    CDC charts demonstrate that queers offend many people with their disease proliferation activities…

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html

    http://www.cdc.gov/std/Syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm

    “Once nearly eliminated in the U.S., syphilis is increasing among gay and bisexual men.”

  67. Lepanto says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Thanks for the reply. I did intend it as “does not work.”

    I agree fully that mainstream interpretations of gender are simplistic. The Med. pattern is common in parts of South (‘Latin’) America. I wonder how open it is there? And was it really so open in the ancient world, or is that an artifact of the texts? I don’t know.

    I’ll re-read your paradox blog and give it more thought.

    Best wishes

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  68. @Lot

    Jews (like you?) and same-sexers will hang together or you’ll hang apart, eh? The moral relativism is coming from your side, which is the neocon wars-for-israel side. You are traitors who hate traditional white Americans (such as the courageous Phil Giraldi, who has served and continues to serve his country well and could probably snap your neck in a heartbeat) so you do everything you can to encourage dishonorable morale-lowering sexual deviancy in our ranks. But weimar republics don’t last, lot, and when they fall…

  69. @Priss Factor

    What a jewcabulary.
    Jews live free in your brain.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  70. “It changed Dick Cheney’s attitude ;)”

    “Dick” was always for somebody bending over and getting screwed. And he treated everybody as if they were a**holes. Draw your own conclusions, but his daughter might have been put off men permanently at an early age. He may well have had a change of heart – because it was removed.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  71. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @castle2001

    “Jews live free in your brain.”

    Jews live in every brain. It’s just that I have the power to see them like the kid in SIXTH SENSE had the power to see ghosts.

    As Jews control media, academia, and government, their ideas and voices have entered every brain. Most people don’t notice, but I do.

  72. guest says:
    @Joe Franklin

    You can partly blame the infamous Footnote Four of the abomination that is SCOTUS’ US v. Carolene Products decision, which demanded higher scrutiny (that is, higher than the normal “rational basis” hurdle laws must jump over to meet the court’s approval) for laws affecting “discreet and insular minorities.” They’re special because the 14th amendment was about black people, or something. Judges have their fingers to the wind–not the winds of public opinion, but of the opinions of people they’ll bump into in the halls of power and at cocktail parties, to the discreet and insular world of legal opinion (mostly confined to graduates of Yale and Harvard), and to their legacies as written in the history books and taught at Yale and Harvard–and the wind is blowing in the direction of gays as special, special people.

  73. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @Deduction

    They hurt us because they are a boon to the Jews.

    Jews who use the homo agenda are our main enemies and competitors.

    We must ally with the world against the globo-Zionists.

    We are all Palestinians.

    • Disagree: Deduction
    • Replies: @Rifleman
  74. @David

    Interestingly a gay male to female transsexual would probably be okay as a diplomatic envoy to Iran, and indeed many other second world countries such as Thailand and Brazil. Ditto for masculine in-the-closet homosexuals.

    Flamboyant homosexuals and heterosexual transsexuals are more problematic. Developing countries just aren’t really on page with Modern Family and I am Caitlyn.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  75. @Andrei Martyanov

    I hope there are many like you still serving in CIA

    “The CIA is full of smart men and women but is run by lunatics” – John Kiriakou

    ^ I find that hard to argue with, although the rank & file is not always top notch, example given the keystone cops that passed for CIA in the Italian kidnapping case that resulted in arrest warrants for a couple dozen of ‘our’ people

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  76. I have just read a Monday FT piece by Tony Barber saying Putin’s the problem (or the Kremlin) not the Russians (and incidentally both quoting opinion polling which suggests that Russian opinion is not totally dominated by the Kremlin line and making the point that X per cent support for Putin doesn’t mean what it might in a closer approximation to democracy in the West).

    With a perhaps attenuated sense of relevance it crossed my mind that the prima facie absurdity of calling the acceptance of Lesbians, Gays etc. a foreign policy priority might conceal a subtle reason for declaring it apart from domestic considerations and strutting moral vanity. It would, after all, send a message to those minorities everywhere and make them readier to assist America legally or illegally. A few years of spying in return for asylum in America?
    PS What do you think of the Barber piece in the FT?

  77. @Sojourner Truth

    Yeah, even hard-core killers can have their ‘tender moments’ … I’m certain there are lots of perfectly ‘kind and nurturing’ parents associated with mega-violence in their closets. For instance those many infants in Spain and Argentina taken from their (soon to be dead) mothers and placed with ‘proper’ families to prevent the children becoming ‘infected’ with the ‘wrong’ ideas (i.e. ideas not approved by the church hierarchy in Rome.)

    You might appreciate this satire, I think it sums up Cheney’s personality pretty well:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/09/dick-cheneys-lucid-dream/

    ^

  78. @Deduction

    Good thinking. I have just made a similar point before seeing that you had already made it well.

    It would explain why the US sends the message that it not only supports LBGT rights everywhere but treats it as a priority, which, otherwise, is absurd on the face of it.

  79. @Lepanto

    My understanding is in Mexico, at least in the ‘machismo’ portion of their culture (not all encompassing but widespread to be sure), in male copulation the male doing the penetrating considers himself heterosexual and male and the man being penetrated is considered to be homosexual and female. I expect (assumption) this is somewhat of a twist on the ancient model where my understanding is the class distinction was more to free and slave rather than straight to gay and male to female assignment. It would appear there was additionally the ‘consenting adults’ (free men) copulation with no class discrimination in the ancient model. With the culture overtaken by Christianity and the mores (strictures) placed on the old habits, it would make sense this was a driver putting the practice into the closet and whence the sexuality class distinction (straight versus gay between males copulating) derived, as opposed to the former free versus slave.

  80. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What Girardi left out here is that this moral outrage against countries who are not gay friendly will not not be applied universally.

    Countries like a Saudi Arabia will get a pass because of the oil of course.

    The countries that will be targeted will be the countries that we want to target for political reasons like Iran, Russia, China, North Korea etc.

    This is another reason to be so resistant to gay diplomats. Not so much because gays are inherently bad people, but because this is just another one of the many ways the west tries to control countries that step out of line and don’t kowtow to America. If it isn’t gays it will be freedom of the press, or treatment of minorities, or religious freedom etc etc.

    • Replies: @Deduction
  81. […] glad, Philip Giraldi saved me from answering the Jew York Times’ […]

  82. Deduction says:
    @Anonymous

    This is another reason to be so resistant to gay diplomats. Not so much because gays are inherently bad people, but because this is just another one of the many ways the west tries to control countries that step out of line and don’t kowtow to America. If it isn’t gays it will be freedom of the press, or treatment of minorities, or religious freedom etc etc.

    If I were American I would see this as a good thing, as in it would be good for me.

    It’s certainly a lot cheaper than wars.

    I’m not sure it’s net effect is positive in this instance – it’s certainly up for debate, but standing up for minority privileges in competitor countries is a useful strategy.

    Putin seems like a smart man and his media goons have done the same thing to America over the #Blacklivesmatter nonsense.

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  83. Look at a map: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/06/26/gay-marriage-around-the-world-2013/

    The whole “gay rights” and “gay marriage” phenomenon is entirely a white thing. Even in South Africa, SSM was imposed by a white judge.

    Every other issue gets racialized right out of the box. This one, never. Not by either side. If I were a nonwhite nationalist, I’d be all over this. The coloreds are right for a change.

    What is wrong with white folks today?

    • Replies: @n/a
  84. @Bill Jones

    You are exactly right, all of this bullshit has its roots in the North East, the Puritans were in search of religious freedom only in this sense: They were looking for somewhere to establish their totalitarian religious state.

    Blame pre-Puritan William Bradford for that. When he officiated the wedding of Edward and Susannah Winslow, the first in Plymouth, he took pains to explain that he was acting only as a magistrate and not as a man of the cloth.

    The West understood marriage to be one of the seven sacraments of the Church. But low-church fanatics turned it over to the inept and filthy hands of the state.

    And now we have this. It was inevitable.

  85. “If I were American I would see this as a good thing, as in it would be good for me.”

    US meddling around the world is never a good thing for the average America.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  86. @Deduction

    Russia is NOT an enemy of normal people.

    Russia is an enemy to victim cult people and the victim cultists constant desire for hegemony.

    In particular, Russia offends queers, Jewish, feminist, Muslims, and military veterans.

    The rank-and-file of diversity doesn’t give a toot about Russia; they just want more undue privileges for their faction of the victim cult.

    The dirt bag leaders of diversity/multiculturalism/pluralism demand that Russia conform to Western victim cult standards, at the risk of war.

    Dirty queers can spread only so much disease and sodomize and kill only so many kids before the ire of a populace is awakened.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Deduction
  87. Hibernian says:
    @unpc downunder

    “a gay male to female transsexual would probably be okay as a diplomatic envoy to Iran,…” Whatever tradition they might have of tolerating them, do you think they’d be happy with us sending one as our Ambassador?

    “Ditto for masculine in-the-closet homosexuals.”

    If they’re deeply closeted and celibate.

  88. n/a says: • Website
    @Bill Jones

    Sodomy was a capital offense in Puritan New England.

    But, yes, we have New England Puritans like Paul Singer and Andrew Sullivan to thank for “gay marriage”.

  89. Hibernian says:
    @Joe Franklin

    “In particular, Russia offends queers, Jewish, feminist, Muslims, and military veterans.”

    Including veterans in the above group is sort of Westboro Baptist Churchish.

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  90. n/a says: • Website

    Michael E. Guest

    Born: 1957
    Birthplace: South Carolina

    http://www.nndb.com/people/249/000126868/

  91. Rifleman says:
    @Priss Factor

    Jews who use the homo agenda are our main enemies and competitors.

    You seem to believe black males are YOUR main enemy. Why the switch?

    And you never answered my question – If you are so anti gay why did you pick the name “The Priss Factory” or the Priss Factor” or “Andrea Ostrov Letania”?

    Doesn’t Priss = sissy = gay?

    You seem like a self hating homosexual (like so many Nazis) and someone who is scared of black males because you see them as the opposite of your own White sissy personality.

    Stop blaming the Jews for the fact that you are a black male fearing – and admiring – male homosexual.

    Some of your comments are interesting but your sexual problems, like those of Whiskey and other White male sexual inadequates, are very unpleasant.

    Get some help.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  92. n/a says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    “The whole “gay rights” and “gay marriage” phenomenon is entirely a white thing. Even in South Africa, SSM was imposed by a white judge.”

    “Gay marriage” was imposed in Brazil before the US.

    The ruling was proposed by the chief justice of Brazil’s Supreme Court, Joaquim Barbosa, who also heads the judicial oversight panel. He said gay couples were a part of Brazil’s social reality and should not be discriminated against.

    Google “Joaquim Barbosa” to see how white he is.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @n/a

    Brazil decided on their own to address gays in their own culture.

    They don’t go around the world trying to force gay marriage down people’s throat. And they don’t see themselves as having “The” superior culture in the world because they support gay rights.

    Completely different than white people who seek to profit off of gays by appearing morally superior by letting them marry each other.

  94. @Hibernian

    Veterans get privileges denied to armed civilians.

    Professional military veterans are violent instruments of national and foreign policy.

    Also, military veterans are indoctrinated that armed civilians are a domestic enemy, the deadly militia.

    The anti-queer Westboro Church is correct in claiming that aggressive queerness is a national policy, and that queerness is supported by the US military as a foreign policy.

    The Westboro Church is incorrect in assuming queers are the leaders of the US’s national victim cult.

    Reformed and conservative Jewish people are the leaders of both the US and the Israeli national victim cult.

  95. @n/a

    Queerness is a favored reformed Jewish activity.

    The US democrat party is lead by queer loving reformed Jewish operatives.

    If you look at the CDC chart, you’ll see that the 3 top purveyors of HIV infections are white, black, and Hispanic queers.

    The CDC chart also indicates that victim cult people in general are the sole purveyors of HIV infections.

    Queer Hispanics like Barbosa acquire HIV infections at a lower amount per year than black queers.

    Blacks are further damned because there are 5 times the number of whites as blacks in the US, but black queers catch nearly the same number of infections per year as whites.

    Adjusted on a per capita basis, black queers catch HIV at nearly 5 times the rate of white queers.

  96. Deduction says:
    @Joe Franklin

    Lay off with the crazy. All I said was that Russian media isn’t shy of pushing a minority privileges agenda in America in order to criticise America.

    This is a fact as RT’s coverage of #Blacklivesmatter stuff shows.

    I played down the significance of this because my whole point was that competitor countries have always engaged in this behaviour.

    It is neither particularly agressive nor particularly dangerous, well, as long as you have a healthy domestic set-up with the values, self-confidence and leadership to ignore foreign concern trolling.

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  97. @Ronald Thomas West

    It’s ok to be a queer.

    Just stop doing typical dirty queer activities, like anal sodomy and elective abortion and sodomizing kids and promoting totalitarian government.

    Is that too much to ask of anybody?

    If a child won’t stop being dirty, should a parent celebrate by marching in a pride parade?

    Why do queers have pride parades; what exactly are they proud of doing?

    Opposing odious queer activities is normal, but it isn’t celebrating the diversity scheme.

  98. @n/a

    According to CDC data, black queers acquire HIV in the same amount per year as white queers.

    Knowing that white people are 5 times the population of black people, and assuming that individual black queers do sodomy at the same rate as individual white queers, the CDC data implies that there are 5 black queers for every 1 white queer.

    So, you’re wrong.

    Queerness is a black thing.

    Queer privileges is a democrat party thing, and 98% percent of blacks vote democrat.

  99. eah says:

    It is absolutely disgusting the way Obama and his administration try to shove aberrant sexuality and an abomination like gay marriage down the throats of people all over the world.

  100. @Deduction

    The Russian media method is to hang Americans by their own standards by highlighting American failures to meet the ideals of American Exceptionalism.

    In practice, American Exceptionalism is supremacy of the American-Israeli victim cult ideology over all other political ideologies.

    Diversity victim cultism says blacks are supposed to have privileges over white people because white people are oppressive.

    BLM devotees claim the US is NOT granting blacks enough privileges, especially in regard to policing.

    US military veterans are also indoctrinated that American-Israeli Exceptionalism is true and righteous.

    That is another reason why military veterans are integral members of the American-Israel victim cult.

    I only deal in facts.

    Stick to facts.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  101. @n/a

    So you found the Clarence Thomas of Brazil. Big deal. He was appointed by the white president , Lula, and is Chief only because he’s the oldest. (Really.)
    How typical of American blacks is Thomas’s vigorous gun-rights support?

    The power structure in Brazil is white, and the decision reflects that. (What’s “Uncle Tom” in Portuguese?). Show me one country in the Afrosphere with anything similar. Sexoracial South Africa doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @n/a
  102. n/a says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    “He was appointed by the white president , Lula”

    I’d say triracial. Maybe whiter than the typical Brazilian, but not by a large margin, and not from an elite background.

    “Lula had little formal education. He did not learn to read until he was ten years old,[14] and quit school after the second grade in order to work to help his family. His working life began at age 12 as a shoeshiner and street vendor.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_Inácio_Lula_da_Silva

  103. WhatEvvs [AKA "Aamirkhanfan"] says:
    @Sam Shama

    You reckon 100% wrong. I think LGBT rights (so-called) are the height of late capitalist absurdity. And forcing them on traditional societies in which the very idea of “sexual identity” doesn’t exist, is damn stupid.

    But I also believe in putting cards on the table, honestly. If a principle is worthy of being fought for, then you say that up front, in your diplomacy as well. Giraldi is pretending to be on the good ship LGBT here, but not there. Something’s amiss.

    Here are my cards: equality before the law. I realize that’s not popular amongst a lot of people who comment at Unz, but EBTL is important to me. And what’s worse than the caste system? But the US would never say a word about caste. That would be bad for business. This sucks. Every US consulate and delegation should be vocally anti-caste. The caste system is the worst system of apartheid, ever.

    So shut up, Sam, and learn to think before you run off at the fingertips. You are a real HBD manosphere bore, assuming things that just aren’t true.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  104. The 14th amendment equality clause is the most misinterpreted amendment.

    Where the clause is referring to “equal protection of the law”, it is referring to the US constitution itself, not unknown state laws.

    Before the 14th amendment, state government could ignore the Bill of Rights, as the BoR was only a restriction on the federal government.

    With the 14th enacted , the state governments were only commanded to obey the applicable Bill of Rights.

    That fact was the most logical and historical interpretation of the 14th clause, until the dawn of the American-Israeli victim cult scheme.

    The American-Israeli victim cultist who are now in charge have twisted the 14th clause to mean something that is absurd, basically that the federal government can define all civil rights.

    That claim not only violates the 14th, it violates the 9th and 10th amendments too.

    As we all should realize by now, victim cultists consider their extensive privileges to be federally guaranteed civil rights.

    Not coincidentally, victim cultists label themselves “protected classes”, meaning victim class supremacy.

  105. Sam Shama says:
    @WhatEvvs

    You appear quite clearly an incoherent nincompoop, supporting the mores of a “traditionalist society”, decrying the imposition of LGBT on these societies, while balefully complaining about the Indian caste system, blissfully unaware of the personal value judgements you are making as a result. Who decides which one is a “just cause”? Which laws do you appeal to for equality? I am not knowledgeable about the caste system, but it certainly appears the case that Indian Law makes no distinction between the various castes. Even if it did so, it would be none of our concern as far as the Indian embassies go in this country. Relevant people might express their stands on appropriate fora. Again, it is a moot point in the context of diplomatic missions.

    Whatever Phil Giraldi’s beliefs are, he makes quite clear in these pages, you on the other hand, first hurl invectives at him (and then telling me to “shut up”), without pausing to disentangle the confusion in your own faculties from objective purposes, such as presented in this essay: the specific mandates and functions of a diplomatic office are not the instruments for your subjective social whims and causes.

  106. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Ronald Thomas West

    To be smart is not enough (what is definition of “smart”, anyway?). Very often it takes a conviction and human decency to be called a true professional. Philip Giraldi radiates that, even when he (which is rare) is off the mark somewhat. As per CIA in general–Clausewitzian dictum “It is legitimate to judge an event by its outcome, for this is the soundest criterion”(c) (Vom Kriege) almost always works. Outcomes are, politely speaking, not exactly stellar. But this is a subject for totally different discussion.

  107. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Joe Franklin

    In practice, American Exceptionalism is supremacy of the American-Israeli victim cult ideology over all other political ideologies.

    Not true, American exceptionalism was recorded by none other than Alexis De Tocqueville, which happened in 1835. Read classics. American exceptionalism, some of which is justifiable, has nothing to do with Israel. The stage was set long before Israel appeared on the map. The “Israeli” thing came much-much later and it has almost everything to do with American isolation from the outside world. US in general, and its elites in particular, are not conditioned by the Continental Warfare. In other words–US doesn’t know what war is. Ask yourself a question why it is so difficult to “sell” Holocaust in Russia? Or in Poland?

    P.S. Yes, American evangelicals are a very special case of Israel-worshiping. I would argue that they are not exactly Christians, but what do I know;-)

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  108. @Andrei Martyanov

    Doesn’t matter what American Exceptionalism meant in older times.

    I specifically said “in practice”, meaning what it is effectively today.

    Through repetition, victim cultists have transformed traditional definitions of words and phrases into newer Politically Correct definitions.

    Some people have labeled PC words and phrases as newspeak or as doublespeak.

    I believe PC words and phrases to be euphemisms, meaning to hide something unpleasant with nice sounding words.

    Here’s some examples:

    sodomy is sex
    privilege is equal
    queer is gay
    war is peace keeping
    class supremacy is diversity or pluralism or multiculturalism
    ignoring and perverting international law is Exceptionalism
    bolshevism is national democracy
    national socialism is inclusiveness

    Bolsheviks Jews flocked to the US in the later 20th century because they knew it is full of masses of naïve people they could influence, full of people with no idea of what is national socialism and the Jewish role in Bolshevik schemes.

    Presumably, Russian and Polish people are much more aware of the Jewish role in Bolshevik schemes.

    The present day American-Israeli victim cult scheme is ran by both secular and conservative Jewish.

    Democrats espouse secular Judaism and Republicans espouse conservative Judaism.

    These are present day facts.

  109. Correction.

    I meant to say this is an example of a PC euphemism:

    privileged is equal

  110. IBC says:
    @Lot

    Personally, I think it would be unwise for the US to recall its diplomats from Israel:

    “Why Gay Marriage Isn’t Coming to Israel Any Time Soon”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.663585

    You could be right though. It would definitely get their attention and show that we’re serious about the issue.

  111. Graham says:
    @Lot

    Well, that’s actually the basis of a good question: how are you, as Americans, qualified to be providing moral instruction around the world?

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @Joe Franklin
  112. Graham says:
    @Tom Welsh

    It’s unfortunate that the current American zeal for spreading human rights and democracy seems directed almost entirely at opening foreign markets to American products, and allowing American corporations to exploit their workers and resources.

    • Agree: Tom Welsh
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  113. Tom Welsh says:
    @Lot

    It’s not “anti-Western moral relativism” at all. It’s just an assertion that other people may have different values from ours, and that our values are not necessarily better than theirs. Ask yourself, if our values ARE better than theirs, who says so? And why? The whole point of values is that they are matters of opinion and preference, not facts.

  114. Tom Welsh says:
    @Graham

    Funny, that. The implicit hypocrisy is probably what makes me angriest of all.

  115. Tom Welsh says:
    @Graham

    Exactly, Graham. I’d further like to ask:

    In 1692, Americans were executing people for witchcraft – just as the Saudis do today. Was that right? Do you agree with that American value?

    Until the 1860s, Americans were keeping slaves and thought that was right and proper, and in keeping with God’s intentions. Was that right? Do you agree with that American value?

    In the 1960s, Americans were hounding people to death for being gay. Was that right? Do you agree with that American value?

    If your answers were “no”, “no”, and “no”, do you believe that the American values of 2015 are absolutely right and perfect in all respects? Or do you concede that future Americans may look back on you pityingly and sneer, “Of course, in 2015 they didn’t know any better”. Which values which you espouse, as an American in 2015, will future Americans consider disgusting and hateful?

  116. @Graham

    Well, that’s actually the basis of a good question: how are you, as Americans, qualified to be providing moral instruction around the world?

    A US military that outspends all other foreign militaries in the world combined, and a ideology that believes in the hegemony of a US-Israeli world policeman.

    Some politicians refer to this concept euphemistically as “American Exceptionalism”.

    Less sophisticated people refer to this concept as might-makes-right.

  117. Thirdeye says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Not so. The far east isn’t exactly gay-friendly and they’re not Judeo-Christian.

    Like it or not, humans have a primal desire to associate themselves with biological success and disassociate themselves from biological failure. Biological success or failure have lost much of their relevance with the rise of advanced civilization but the vestigial urges remain.

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