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Personally, I believe that the free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment is the bedrock freedom granted by the Constitution of the United States and as long is someone is not using that right explicitly to call for violence against someone else he or she should be free to say anything, even if it is deliberately offensive or calculated to provoke a hostile response. Pamela Geller, who recently staged the “Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” in Garland Texas that resulted in two deaths, would no doubt say the same thing. But in reality Geller is a hypocrite. She is only referring to her own personal “freedom” to say what she wants to inflame passions regarding a religious group that she despises. When Muslims try to use the same “freedom” to express their own concerns over speech that they consider blasphemous Geller dismisses their appeals as a ruse to enable the introduction of Shariah law.

Geller is a wealthy Manhattan-based Jewish widow who is the founder and editor of what until recently was called the Atlasshrugs.com website as well as president of Stop Islamization of America and the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI). She first came into prominence in 2010 when she helped spearhead the successful campaign to block the construction of the proposed Park51 Islamic Center that she inaccurately described as a “victory mosque” that would dishonor the victims of the terrorist attack and constitute a second wave of 9/11 , persistently conflating Islam in general with what she refers to as “barbarism” and terror.

In 2011 Pamela Geller campaigned to block the U.S. government’s licensing of al-Jazeera America, which she refers to as “Terror TV,” revealing the insincerity of her espousal of free speech when the speech does not conform to her agenda. She has also been one of the leading promoters of the palpably ridiculous assertion that “Fundamentalist Islam wants Shariah to replace the U. S. Constitution and fundamentally transform America,” a theme that has unfortunately been picked up by a number of Republican politicians. She also believes that anyone who bows to pressure and avoids cartooning or lampooning Mohammed is ipso facto conforming to Islamic law.

More recently Geller and AFDI have been behind a series of poster campaigns on urban transit trains and buses in New York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia and San Francisco. The posters have featured the World Trade Center burning alongside a Quran verse advocating terror, a call to support civilization (Israel) against barbarism (Jihad), and the message that “killing Jews is worship that draws us closer to Allah.” A poster that ran in Washington featured Hitler meeting with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem with the caption “Islamic Jew Hatred: it’s in the Quran.” An ad in San Francisco showed journalist James Foley just before he was beheaded by ISIS. When local transportation boards resist placing the posters on their vehicles and in their stations because of the highly politicized bigoted views they reflect AFDI takes them to court to force them to cooperate.

There is little ambiguity or subtlety in what Geller does and her ten year track record reveals clearly that she wallows in hate. She believes that when Muslims pray five times a day they are actually cursing Christians and Jews. Her Mohammed art exhibition featured cartoons showing a malevolent looking founder of Islam with a roll of toilet paper on his head and pants pulled down to reveal his buttocks while pissing on “Freedom of Speech.” Or if that does not leave one laughing, there is another showing Mohammed impaled through his anus on a pencil labeled “truth” and still another featuring a grinning Prophet riding a unicycle while juggling five dismembered heads. The caption reads “Religion of Peace.”

Geller claims to be an expert on Islam, but she has never studied it formally and cannot read or speak Arabic. She cherry picks from translations of the Quran and Hadith texts to find material that matches her agenda, aided and abetted by her colleague Robert Spencer, who also claims expertise without any language skills or serious study. Both have benefited materially from their bigotry and Geller’s hypocrisy is on display through her citation of the horrors contained in Islamic texts presumably while knowing full well that it is just as easy to find plenty of bloodshed and even genocide in the Hebrew Bible.

Though strident and essentially humorless, Geller, who decries living in an age “where evil is good, and good is evil,” admits to the nature of her particular obsession, jokingly accepting that she has been labeled as a “racist-Islamophobic-anti-Muslim-bigot.” She is also perhaps not surprisingly a leading advocate for Israel, conceding that she sees the world through the “prism of Israel” and noting along the way that “…Jew hatred is a religious imperative in Islam.”

Geller is independently wealthy which no doubt provided seed money for her endeavors, but her efforts are also supported by a number of pro-Israel groups and individuals, including several donors that are regarded as relatively mainstream. That leads to the plausible surmise that while many Jewish organizations and wealthy individuals keep their distance from Geller at least some of them are secretly supportive of her. In 2013 AFDI received nearly one million dollars in reported donations, $400,000 of which was spent to oppose “…capitulation to the global jihad and Islamic supremacism.” The organization claims on its website that donations to it are tax deductible, which, if correct, would suggest that it is an IRS 501(c)3 educational foundation, though the site does not explicitly make that claim. If it is true, only donors contributing beyond a certain level have to be identified in the annual tax filing, which means that contributors are effectively secret.

Ironically, many of the folks that Pamela marches in step with are themselves opposed to free speech and are inclined to support draconian legal sanctions against “hate speech,” similar to those in place in a number of European countries, including France. They like the concept of laws against language that denigrates races, ethnic groups or religions because in practice the laws are frequently only enforced if one says something about Jews or Judaism, which is what they were really designed to protect. They are particularly active in the United States currently seeking to shut down any criticism of Israel at universities, claiming that it makes Jewish students “uncomfortable” or “threatened.”

Some European hate laws threaten fines and imprisonment if one denies or even questions details relating to the holocaust while in Canada, legislation has been proposed that criminalizes any criticism of Israel, conflating it with anti-Semitism, which is a hate crime. As ever, laws reflect who is important and let’s face it, no one in Europe or Canada really cares about powerless Muslims or increasingly marginalized Christians, but confronting powerful Jewish organizations is another thing altogether.

Whether Geller hoped to provoke a violent incident in Texas will have to remain unknowable, but the prepositioning of $10,000 worth of armed security including SWAT units for an event including only 200 attendees rather suggests that the intention was to craft a gathering in such a way as to bait local Muslims into doing something stupid. And one has to wonder at the honesty of Geller’s “free speech” agenda in any case. If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights.

There are, unfortunately, all too many people not unlike Pamela Geller who regard Muslims as vermin. That they proliferate in spite of all evidence that American Muslims are overwhelmingly peaceful and make good citizens invites the inevitable chicken and egg metaphor: what came first the Gellers preaching hatred or the hatred itself providing fertile ground for the Gellers?

Certainly the example set by Israel differs little from Geller except in that it is even more extreme. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has decided to appoint far right Jewish Home Party activist Ayelet Shaked justice minister in his new government. In 2014 she recommended the genocide of Palestinians, asserting in a July 1st Facebook post that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy.” She called for their destruction, “including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.” Women should in particular be killed as they produce the “little snakes,” i.e. Palestinian children. Her future colleague in government, Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, who will head the “Civil Administration” of the occupied West Bank has described Palestinians as “…beasts, they are not human” and has stated his belief that “A Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.”

As free speech is a precious commodity, one should not allow Pamela Geller to define it. She can say whatever she wants to say but that does not mean that she bears no responsibility for the consequences of her action while the media and public should never give her a pass that legitimizes her message that all Muslims are homicidal maniacs intent on destroying the United States and, inevitably, Israel.

After the Garland Texas incident Geller was featured all across the media explaining herself and propagating her message. Most often she was treated with kid gloves by ignorant interviewers who apparently believed she had a right to be heard and that they ought not interfere with her ability to do so. She should indeed have the freedom to tell her story but the media also has an obligation to challenge views that are both ugly and bigoted to allow the public to hear another side to the Geller rant. It is unimaginable that if Geller were using her characteristic coarse language to describe either Jews or Christians that she would have been provided with any forum at all, but apparently when it comes to Islam the rules are somehow different and the freedom to express abhorrent views becomes the norm rather than the exception.

 
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  1. Don Nash says:

    Geller is a sadly delusional hate monger and Israel firster. She would leave even a staunch Israel firster looking for an exit. But this is America and even an idiot the likes of Ted Cruz gets to prattle without recrimination.

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    Giraldi is a Jew hater but I support to his death his right to express his hatred.
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  2. Yevardian says:

    Islam and Judaism are two different sides of the same supremacist coin. At least Muslims take converts and are (generally) open about what they believe.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    You can convert to Judaism. You might have to be persistent with some of the more orthodox sects.

    Anyway, agree with most of the commenters. She's an idiot, but she has a right to to talk. I'm against hate speech laws. This isn't Europe.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Indeed Muslims take converts - it relieves people of the possibility of being enslaved by Muslims - and once converted they aren't allowed to reconvert unlike Christians and Jews. But you are wrong about Judaism and converts. I have recently met two very attractive blonde blue eyed shiksas who converted to Judaism....
    , @Anonymous
    Judaism doesn't subject individuals to convert or die... in fact, I've yet to ever encounter a Jew trying to convert anyone.
    , @Bob
    "What they believe" is dependent on how many of them there are and how well they are armed with respect to their neighbors.

    One unarmed muslim in Kansas is most peaceful. A non-muslim standing in Mecca is executed.
    , @Average Joe Bodybuilder
    Bullshit. No racial supremacism in Islam. there is in Christian Identity, there is in Nazism, there is in Judaism.
    , @boogerbently
    ....other than that "Islam is the religion of peace" crap.
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  3. Pamela Geller is an asshole, but she has a right to be an asshole. In the same vein, Alan Dershowitz protected the rights of Nazis in Skokie to be Nazis even though they were a bunch of assholes. The problem with what happened in Garland is not that the people there were using free speech, but that the offended party used guns instead of a counter protest.

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    • Replies: @Buck Swamp
    Exactly the right point. Geller isn't the issue, Islamic-Fascism is.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    The Nazi march in Skokie was a farce, and Dershowitz probably understood as much. The lead Nazi was Jewish.
    , @learned
    Pamella Geller has every right to say whatever she wants to say or draw. Its her right .
    , @boogerbently
    "When Muslims try to use the same “freedom” to express their own concerns over speech that they consider blasphemous "

    I'm thinking freedom of speech needs to be stopped at MURDER.
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  4. Just skimmed it. #1 The article seemed hyperventingly hysterical. #2 Apparently she’s in favor of Israel and against Muslims. I can deal with that.

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    • Replies: @rod1963
    Agree, the writer is hysterical like many on the Left who became like that after that Garland cop killed their Jihadis buddies.

    Really that's the only thing I can think why they are unhinged over this. It wasn't the attempted mass murder, it was the DRT demise of the two terrorists whom they were in sympathy with.

    , @Mohamed
    Hysterical? Hardly. What Giraldi said is this "If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights."

    You did not and could not dispute the above noted factual statement, and instead tried to smear the article by inventing non existent hysteria. You can always tell Israel firsters by their clumsy, bogus spin.

    , @annamaria
    Pamela Geller is also against the US interests: try to analyze the Zionists' words and deeds (a hint: the current situation in the Muddle East and Ukraine). The US are used as a host by the "chosen." Look how systematically the facts about Ukrainian neo-Nazism have been suppressed by the MSM. Suddenly, the Holocaust stories are not important anymore and it is OK to support the neo-Nazi scums that burn people alive:
    http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/16/4523
    Note the name of the Ukrainian-Israeli citizen Kolomojsky among the bosses of the battalion:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
    From a comment section of sic simper tyrannies blog:
    "The goals here [in Ukraine] are the agricultural land (best outside of Africa) and the extraordinary eastern Ukrainian energy resources (Donetz-Dnieper basin). Even Biden Jr. is waiting the wings to be chairman of some energy concern; he’s a cover, nothing better than a VP’s son.
    The only way Nuland and her tribe can get their mitts on it is by getting the bond vigilantes in to ‘finance’ the Ukraine with the energy resources and agricultural land as collateral. They’ve even moved in their own finance minister from the US. Obama again being played as the great big foreign policy dude, and he’s fallen for it like the narcissist he is. Why else is Stephen Cohen (brilliant Russian analyst) not allowed in the White House to explain Russia to the sitting president? ... this is a cash play, and the pay-off, a huge one, is going to come after Obama and Nuland and her husband Kagan, and all their hidden financial friends—are out of office and no one will be noticing. Nuland absolutely needs the Ukraine in the EU or tied to the EU economically to pull this off. "
    her.http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/05/the-march-of-the-immortal-regiment-ttg.html
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  5. Wyrd says:

    If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights.

    Yeah, but would she then proceed to shoot or bomb such hypothetical offenders? (but, but, but she has Israel to do that for her!) I have no special love for Jew or Muslim, but the willingness of the cultural left to bend over for Islam is pathetic, especially after decades of Piss Christ and Dung Mary. Are you all now castrated priests of Cybele?

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    Israel may be fond of violence against Palestinians in the territories, but I doubt they would shoot an American who pooped on a Torah scroll.
    , @Chris Mallory
    "Yeah, but would she then proceed to shoot or bomb such hypothetical offenders? (but, but, but she has Israel to do that for her!)"

    No, her type is too cowardly to rely on direct action. But she would cheerlead for laws that allow the FBI to SWAT your gathering.
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  6. If anyone dared to state one percent as many truths about Geller’s religion as she claims to represent about Islam, they’d be run out of the country on a rail. She’s profiting partly via free-speech principles, but mostly via her tribe’s stranglehold on the flow of information in this country. People like her show exactly where that leads.

    PS: “As free speech is a precious commodity, one should allow Pamela Geller to define it.”

    Doesn’t that sentence need the word “not” inserted?

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    Kyle - Yes, thanks...correction has been made
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  7. Clyde says:

    …public should never give her a pass that legitimizes her message that all Muslims are homicidal maniacs intent on destroying the United States and, inevitably, Israel….

    Why not? It’s true. The message is true. Especially the wacko Iranian Shiites with their twelfth imam end times scenario. Israeli nuclear weapons deter this.

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    Iranian Shi'ites are not 'wacko'. Serious adults don't use such terms. If you don't believe me, then I can quote both Meir Dagan of Shin Bet and Mossad and Gabi Gabi Ashkenazi, ex-IDF Chief, both of whom publicly stated that the Iranian regime is rational and not 'wacko'.
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  8. Geller is a vile, bigoted Zionist bitch. Piss on her.

    “. . . And one has to wonder at the honesty of Geller’s ‘free speech’ agenda in any case. If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights. . . .”

    Well, what about that, Ms. Geller? Surely, you and your fellow Zionist fanatics understand the constitutional principle involved here? . . .

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  9. Avery says:

    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.

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    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.
     
    Yeah, at no time does being anti-neocon, anti-Israel-firster turn into support for the two most despicable, evil and anti-Christian nations on earth, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. I support that gutsy gal Geller, we can't allow this demonic religion, this new Black Death, into this country. And we need to eradicate it from this planet. Turkey and Saudia Arabia must be annihilated for starters.
    , @Chris Mallory
    "Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine."

    Most of the Christian bashing I have personally heard has come from people who share the same tribe as Geller. The rest of it comes from atheists.
    , @solontoCroesus

    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.
     
    True, and the status of Christianity continues to be degraded.

    Maybe some heads need to roll to send a message that Christianity will not be mocked.
    "Those people only respond to force."

    Israelis and zionists imprison and/or fine or otherwise punish people who refuse to pledge allegiance to holocaustism and governments around the world including the USA have government offices that enforce these Jewish 'religious' beliefs. Teaching the quasi-religious dogma of holocaustism is enforced in US taxpayer-funded schools, and critical analysis or any perspective on the story other than the dogmatized narrative is forbidden. This is a violation of US Constitutional principles. It's also bad history, and it's obnoxious.

    Isn't it about time Christians grow a spine and put some muscle behind demands that ziofreaks stop debasing Christianity and Jesus?

    , @Anonymous
    I noticed you did not comment on her one sided support for free speech. If the speech is targedt against Israel, she is against it. What you leave out is indicative of your willingness to distort the truth.

    Pam Gellar and her supporter have pushed for ANTI-Speech laws successfully in many country's attempting to stop any criticism of Israel. She is no supporter of free speech. She just supports attacking Islam and Muslims. try attacking Israel or Jews and see how far she supports you. In fact, I would recommend going to Canada first before attempting this endeavor.

    Once you do and are prosecuted, you can tell us how well Canadian legal system treated you.
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  10. rod1963 says:
    @onetwothree
    Just skimmed it. #1 The article seemed hyperventingly hysterical. #2 Apparently she's in favor of Israel and against Muslims. I can deal with that.

    Agree, the writer is hysterical like many on the Left who became like that after that Garland cop killed their Jihadis buddies.

    Really that’s the only thing I can think why they are unhinged over this. It wasn’t the attempted mass murder, it was the DRT demise of the two terrorists whom they were in sympathy with.

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  11. Mohamed says:
    @onetwothree
    Just skimmed it. #1 The article seemed hyperventingly hysterical. #2 Apparently she's in favor of Israel and against Muslims. I can deal with that.

    Hysterical? Hardly. What Giraldi said is this “If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights.”

    You did not and could not dispute the above noted factual statement, and instead tried to smear the article by inventing non existent hysteria. You can always tell Israel firsters by their clumsy, bogus spin.

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    You did not and could not dispute the above noted factual statement, and instead tried to smear the article by inventing non existent hysteria. You can always tell Israel firsters by their clumsy, bogus spin.
     
    No one was asking Muslims to approve of her actions. They were free to peacefully protest or simply ignore her. Instead two of them tried to kill everyone at the event.
    , @Brother John
    I don't know what makes you think that the sentence you quoted beginning with IF is a "factual statement," but that's idle speculation. Maybe, maybe not driven by evidence, but there's nothing factual about it.

    And, anyway, as comparison it's ridiculous. The contest was "drawing," the simple act of which causes acts of violence by persons for whom the United States has no use. Shitting on a Torah, burning a flag -- very different acts. Let's not get our knickers in a twist. And this "Zionist" nonsense ... it's getting hard to take some of these sites seriously when that sort of thing pops up in every discussion.

    , @Anonymous
    Why not a a "Draw Blacks and Monkey's" contest in Baltimore and the winner gets to burn down a convenience store. Don't think they would call it free speech anymore.
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  12. I wonder how far the right wing of the Israel lobby/government will degenerate. Hating Muslims is good for business because wars, militarized policing, and spying are all enabled thanks to the irrational fear of Muslims in the US. Stories about victimized Muslims would run counter to the narrative that they are out to establish a global caliphate and install shariah law in the US. Muslims don’t get to play the role of victim just ask the Palestinians. Fear of Muslims is a great way to take money from the public and give it to the defense industry and remake the US into a police state. Geller isn’t any different in outlook than the typical Republican. I’d like to know how her obsession came about? I admire how she doesn’t coat her racism with respectability like the Neocons.

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  13. Technomad says:

    If you want to impress me with your devotion to free speech, don’t bother with attacking Muhammed. Particularly after 9-11, you aren’t going to get a lot of Americans who object. Try running an exhibition of the art of A. Wyatt Mann, or better yet, Dolcett, and then come tell me about free speech.

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  14. tsotha says:

    Pamela Geller, who recently staged the “Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” in Garland Texas that resulted in two deaths…

    This is really disingenuous phrasing. The people who died did so because they were trying to stage a mass murder. Someone should pin a medal on her.

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    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&u=http://www.syrianews.cc/jaafari-exposes-hypocrites-fighting-terror-syria/&usg=ALkJrhjJE4y_2cYJpuWKd3Lr8fGSmJKLwA

    Geller organised a psyop - the two dead lads were no doubt assured they wouldn't wind up dead. And any qualms were no doubt taken care of with, um 'medication.

    The Swats werent there for the heck of it. Be interesting to know who her MIC contacts are.
    , @Ace
    You nailed it. That about sums up what's wrong with this article.
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  15. Stogumber says:

    In matters of freedom, most people want it for themselves, but not for their opponents. If we should say all those hypocrites don’t deserve freedom, we can abolish the idea of freedom at all. That’s not the way a free society works.

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  16. In 2011 Pamela Geller campaigned to block the U.S. government’s licensing of al-Jazeera America, which she refers to as “Terror TV,” revealing the insincerity of her espousal of free speech when the speech does not conform to her agenda

    Despite the fact she’s a moroness and hypocrite (that you nail quite accurately), there are times people like Geller stumble on a fact of the matter (probably inadvertently)

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    Finally, a Stooge TV [al-Jazeera] personality, a Sunni cleric (must be sort of like a Rick Warren evangelical show) keeps the USA’s promise of all hell breaking loose by calling out to his 60,000,000 (sixty million) potential viewers to pile on Syria (and don’t worry about bringing along weapons, we’ve got plenty in the pipeline) inviting a regional sectarian war (already spilling over into Lebanon and Iraq)

    Read more:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/06/01/stooge-tv/

    But couldn’t agree more with the gist of Phil’s article:

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    The culture lampooning Islam with gross stereotype in fact created the militant Islam we know in the present day. A mark of a bully and coward is to use one’s superior or ‘brute’ strength to humiliate one lesser in strength. When this simply goes on and on, it will, quite naturally, breed a deep and abiding resentment, eventually becoming a deeply rooted, pathological anger and related hate. Charlie Hebdo’s mistake was to fail recognizing they were playing the artistic hand of the bully. Catholic France has a long and storied history of beating the Muslim world into the dirt, from Algeria to Djibouti to Lebanon to Syria and quite notably, Yemen

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    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/09/opus-dei-creavit-monitor-lacertae/

    I’m admittedly anti-fundamentalist everything but common sense tells me Islam can produce it’s own critics, I stick it to the Catholics (in this case)

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    The culture lampooning Islam with gross stereotype in fact created the militant Islam we know in the present day.

    Actually, no. Militant Islam has been around as long as there has been Islam. It was militant while Mohammed was around.

    The belief that somehow Hebdo "punching down" is absurd. Hebdo was leftist and went after every religion. I assume if Christians had slaughtered the staff, you would argue the same thing about resentment, anger, etc?

    Anyways, the whole argument of the article basically boils down to Geller is a hypocrite and Muslims are just pawns in the games of this Jew.
    , @Irish Savant
    "common sense tells me Islam can produce it’s own critics"

    LoL! That's right. Every time there's even the slightest Islamic outrage Muslims dominate the airwaves condemning the terrorists. Non-stop public debate within Islam as to whether the 'Prophet' had a six-year-old wife etc./sarc
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  17. Zach says:

    Always a bad sign when the writer begins with “personally, I love the first amendment!”

    All Muslims had to do to make Geller look bad was to ignore her. I hate the progressives’ notion that not only must we tell lies about minorities, we must never say or do anything that creates an opportunity for them to make fools of themselves.

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  18. Maj. Kong says:

    You lose us when you defend Al “Gore” Jazeera, Qatar is much more noxious than AIPAC.

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    Qatar may be "much more noxious than AIPAC" but it it isn't Qatar that is betraying my country on behalf of hostile foreigners who despise us and bend our leaders to their will. Al Jazeera America may pretend to be real journalists, but at least they don't pretend to be loyal Americans.
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  19. Terrahawk says:
    @Mohamed
    Hysterical? Hardly. What Giraldi said is this "If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights."

    You did not and could not dispute the above noted factual statement, and instead tried to smear the article by inventing non existent hysteria. You can always tell Israel firsters by their clumsy, bogus spin.

    You did not and could not dispute the above noted factual statement, and instead tried to smear the article by inventing non existent hysteria. You can always tell Israel firsters by their clumsy, bogus spin.

    No one was asking Muslims to approve of her actions. They were free to peacefully protest or simply ignore her. Instead two of them tried to kill everyone at the event.

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  20. @Kyle McKenna
    If anyone dared to state one percent as many truths about Geller's religion as she claims to represent about Islam, they'd be run out of the country on a rail. She's profiting partly via free-speech principles, but mostly via her tribe's stranglehold on the flow of information in this country. People like her show exactly where that leads.

    PS: "As free speech is a precious commodity, one should allow Pamela Geller to define it."

    Doesn't that sentence need the word "not" inserted?

    Kyle – Yes, thanks…correction has been made

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  21. Terrahawk says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    In 2011 Pamela Geller campaigned to block the U.S. government’s licensing of al-Jazeera America, which she refers to as “Terror TV,” revealing the insincerity of her espousal of free speech when the speech does not conform to her agenda
     
    Despite the fact she's a moroness and hypocrite (that you nail quite accurately), there are times people like Geller stumble on a fact of the matter (probably inadvertently)

    excerpt

    Finally, a Stooge TV [al-Jazeera] personality, a Sunni cleric (must be sort of like a Rick Warren evangelical show) keeps the USA’s promise of all hell breaking loose by calling out to his 60,000,000 (sixty million) potential viewers to pile on Syria (and don’t worry about bringing along weapons, we’ve got plenty in the pipeline) inviting a regional sectarian war (already spilling over into Lebanon and Iraq)

    Read more:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/06/01/stooge-tv/
     
    But couldn't agree more with the gist of Phil's article:

    excerpt

    The culture lampooning Islam with gross stereotype in fact created the militant Islam we know in the present day. A mark of a bully and coward is to use one’s superior or ‘brute’ strength to humiliate one lesser in strength. When this simply goes on and on, it will, quite naturally, breed a deep and abiding resentment, eventually becoming a deeply rooted, pathological anger and related hate. Charlie Hebdo’s mistake was to fail recognizing they were playing the artistic hand of the bully. Catholic France has a long and storied history of beating the Muslim world into the dirt, from Algeria to Djibouti to Lebanon to Syria and quite notably, Yemen

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    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/09/opus-dei-creavit-monitor-lacertae/
     
    I'm admittedly anti-fundamentalist everything but common sense tells me Islam can produce it's own critics, I stick it to the Catholics (in this case)

    The culture lampooning Islam with gross stereotype in fact created the militant Islam we know in the present day.

    Actually, no. Militant Islam has been around as long as there has been Islam. It was militant while Mohammed was around.

    The belief that somehow Hebdo “punching down” is absurd. Hebdo was leftist and went after every religion. I assume if Christians had slaughtered the staff, you would argue the same thing about resentment, anger, etc?

    Anyways, the whole argument of the article basically boils down to Geller is a hypocrite and Muslims are just pawns in the games of this Jew.

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    Muslims are just pawns in the games of this Jew
     
    ^_^ .... move along folks, nothing worthwhile comes out of being pathologically fixated on Jews.

    Or read here:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/14/gods-chosen-a-dumb-idea/

    ^
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  22. SFG says:
    @Wyrd
    If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights.

    Yeah, but would she then proceed to shoot or bomb such hypothetical offenders? (but, but, but she has Israel to do that for her!) I have no special love for Jew or Muslim, but the willingness of the cultural left to bend over for Islam is pathetic, especially after decades of Piss Christ and Dung Mary. Are you all now castrated priests of Cybele?

    Israel may be fond of violence against Palestinians in the territories, but I doubt they would shoot an American who pooped on a Torah scroll.

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    Israeli soldiers may not shoot you, but I wouldn't try that in an Orthodox or settler neighborhood.
    , @Orville H. Larson
    Yeah, well, Israel shot up an American ship (U.S.S. LIBERTY), and killed a young American woman who was protesting the destruction of Palestinian homes (Rachel Corrie). . . .
    , @Crunchy
    Heck, Israel bulldozed an unarmed American woman.
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  23. SFG says:
    @Yevardian
    Islam and Judaism are two different sides of the same supremacist coin. At least Muslims take converts and are (generally) open about what they believe.

    You can convert to Judaism. You might have to be persistent with some of the more orthodox sects.

    Anyway, agree with most of the commenters. She’s an idiot, but she has a right to to talk. I’m against hate speech laws. This isn’t Europe.

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  24. alexander says:

    Thank you for another excellent article, Mr Giraldi ,

    I think the existence of Pamela Gellars’ “hate speech” is a tragic commentary on the capacity of false propaganda to influence American perceptions of Islam ..So too with the speech of Ayelet Shaked..It calls to mind the same propaganda used to scapegoat and defame Jews in Nazi Germany….Only today it is defaming Islam and the Palestinians ,and the propagandists are not Himmler and Goebbels but ..Shaked and Geller !
    I think the propaganda is used now,( as perhaps it was in 1933), as a tool to sow hate, war and genocide and to function as cover for Israeli extremists desire to appropriate the Palestinian territories in much the same way Hitler sought to appropriate the “lebensraum”( living space) of the Slavic regions of Eastern Europe .
    Although I believe in the existence of Israel and its right to live in peace with its neighbors, it is not clear to me, that in the aftermath of the collapse of the “peace process”, that the current Israeli government wants to live” in peace” with its neighbors. It seems to want “war”, “genocide”, and” lebensraum” !
    And so, if one were to pull back the curtain on the Geller propaganda, it would reveal that, today, it is not the “grand Mufti” that is , in fact, “shaking hands” with Hitler ideologically, but the” grand prime minister ” !
    The immense tragedy of the facts of this “role reversal reality” is so terribly sad, one wishes that it were not true !
    At least I do !

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  25. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Avery
    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.

    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.

    Yeah, at no time does being anti-neocon, anti-Israel-firster turn into support for the two most despicable, evil and anti-Christian nations on earth, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. I support that gutsy gal Geller, we can’t allow this demonic religion, this new Black Death, into this country. And we need to eradicate it from this planet. Turkey and Saudia Arabia must be annihilated for starters.

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    Are you being sarcastic? I wouldn't go beyond barring nationals and maybe cutting off trade. The last thing we need is another Crusade. Let them do their own thing.
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  26. geokat62 says:

    Great article, Phil… keep’ em coming!

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  27. An excellent article, as always, Mr. Giraldi. Thank you. (And thank heaven for the Unz Review.) I wonder why Israel-Firsters like Pam never tell the people what the Talmud says about Jesus and His Mother. The Koran describes Jesus, though not divine, as the last great prophet before Mohammed and has pretty stories about Mary. The Talmud curses Jesus as a black magician and calls Mary a whore. I think that those who hide these facts are…disingenuous, and “Christian Zionists” are fools.

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  28. J.Ross says: • Website

    I’ve been a post-Zionist for as long as I’ve been politically conscious, directly reacting to creepy, pushy, dishonest Chosen double standards. I am very familiar with Jewish “tolerance:” blacklisting, boycott, hate campaigns, false accusations; a crowd of screaming morons disgusted with your purported intent to murder “tiny orphans in the snow.”
    With that being said, I have to side conditionally with insane Gellar and with Zionist conservative gatekeeper David Cole, who describes excommunication and shunning but no bombs or ambushes following his exposure of Holocaustianity. I will always side with unpleasant patrons who presume to aggressively control discourse (indeed, I have no choice) when the alternative is a person who cannot handle the possibility that someone might be thinking bad thoughts without becoming physically violent.
    It is true that terrorism is fake in the sense that it is a lot of government manipulation of vulnerable people to make government agents look and feel good, but it is also true that terrorism is real in the sense of being completely abhorrent violence against innocent people.
    And it has to be said that no nonwhite people have any intuitive grasp of freedom of speech (historically Asians have almost always had powerful, well-ordered governing entities, even in periods of what they considered to be chaos, in which freedom of speech would be counterproductive. Whites have freedom of speech as an accidental function of not being able to put together an Asian’s idea of a government), but worse, and especially in the case of “moderate” Muslims, they feel eliminationist hatred toward freedom of speech and are pretty open about it. Keith Ellison is neither stupid nor a terrorist.
    Tldr — Crazy Gellar beats violent illiterates any day, doesn’t make her right about anything else.

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    Either you're a lying shill or hopelessly uninformed (yet still wrote 300 words) as Cole has described being physically attacked and threatened so he had to change his name and live in hiding. Israel was founded by terrorists and the Jewish terrorism continued long after it was recognized as a "State." This is common knowledge for anyone paying the slightest attention.

    The real problem is both Jews and Muslims are supremacists. Jews think themselves "Chosen" and that all other tribes are essentially sub-humans to whom different rules apply. Muslims explicitly demand converts at least and the "sub-humans" may become Muslim rather than paying the jizya or being murdered.

    The one good thing about Christians is they leave the punishment to their God. They still feel compelled to try and convert non-Christians, but you don't see marauding packs of anabaptists beheading or exploding Jews, Muslims, or Papists anyway.
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  29. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Phil Giraldi

    What you wrote about the vile and repellant Geller is obviously true. But it is also obviously true that if the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had never been passed…and if a National Origins Immigration Policy had been implemented that excluded all Muslims…the probability of 9/11 ever occurring would be precisely equal to 0. Takes away the excuse to invade Iraq-would have made it much more difficult to justify invading Iraq to the General Public.

    So now I am gonna take this opportunity to ask you if you are an enthusiast for post-1965 immigration policy that allows for the expansion of the Muslim population in the US which is enthusiastically voting Whitey into a racial minority in post-Whitey American. To pre-empt how I think you would respond:I am not in favor of importing the Israeli fifth column into the US post and pre- 1965 Immigration Reform Act-a fifth column that agitates for using economically distressed Native Born White American Teenagers from the American Heartland as canon fodder for Greater Israel.

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    Dear Battle - I think that the 1965 immigration act was one of the worst things to ever happen to the United States, not necessarily because of its Muslim content but because it let into the country large and unassimilable numbers of third world immigrants who brought with them no skills whatsoever and no understanding of our democratic values. I would also point you to the large numbers of asylum cases that are let into this country every year by government fiat. That's why we have 20,000 Somalis in places like Minneapolis, some of whom have gone back home to fight for Shabaab.
    , @annamaria
    Nice that you have hopes that the handlers of Bush&Cheney regime would have some difficulties in justifying the illegal Iraq war.
    Perhaps the problem is not the Middle East masses, but their rulers. For example, take a look at the Saudi princes with whom Prez Bush had sweet, wet kisses to show his affection for the wealthy and powerful. The Saudis financed 14 high-jackers. This fact had no influence on the Patriot-Accomplisher-Decider. And was not it the Iran's development towards democracy that led to the US support for Shah (absolutism) in Iran? Shah was handler for oilmen.
    The honest US brass was bland about the Middle East adventures cheered by oilmen and war profiteers and Zionists: the wars have been creating khaos and they led to generating a huge pool of poorly educated and militant fighters against the plunder and destruction of their native lands. What would your sons do if your town was bombed, your place of warship defaced, and your natural resources appropriated by some technologically superior state?
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  30. @Wyrd
    If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights.

    Yeah, but would she then proceed to shoot or bomb such hypothetical offenders? (but, but, but she has Israel to do that for her!) I have no special love for Jew or Muslim, but the willingness of the cultural left to bend over for Islam is pathetic, especially after decades of Piss Christ and Dung Mary. Are you all now castrated priests of Cybele?

    “Yeah, but would she then proceed to shoot or bomb such hypothetical offenders? (but, but, but she has Israel to do that for her!)”

    No, her type is too cowardly to rely on direct action. But she would cheerlead for laws that allow the FBI to SWAT your gathering.

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  31. A silly little article. The psycho Third Worlders have made you look bad and “given ammunition to the enemy,” thus you make excuses for their bad behavior. It is difficult to read your spin without laughing. Meanwhile this Geller has not shot at anyone or bombed their cafes or pizza parlors. As for the flushing of Muslims’ good reputation lately I’d say it is located more within Muslims’ control than hers.

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  32. @Avery
    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.

    “Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.”

    Most of the Christian bashing I have personally heard has come from people who share the same tribe as Geller. The rest of it comes from atheists.

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    Well Giraldi does tons of it so I guess when he stops accusing, at the behest of the Middle Eastern donors who keep his sad sack organization afloat, American Christians of plotting to overthrow the government then maybe his tears won't seem so crocodily. Some people like Giraldi develop empathy only when the check clears. That said Giraldi's empathy comes cheap.
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  33. Garland TX: Two Mohammed-worshipping thugs expose themselves for what they are and are eliminated from the gene pool. What’s not to love.

    We ought to stage a lot more of these events but only in places like Texas where an armed citizenry is willing to take out the bad guys at the first sign of trouble. Notice that the peace-loving Mohammedans whom Mr. Grimaldi is defending here woukld never fall victim to such a setup. It’s just a clever way of luring the vermin out of the woodwork so they can be eradicated with as little fuss and muss as possible.

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    Attacking a nutcase Israel Firster is not defending Mohammedans.

    These two attackers were FBI patsies, pure and simple. The attack was a set up to keep people like you baaaaing for more big government security.
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  34. Jim says:

    The values of the Islamic Wrold and the values of modern Western liberalism are fundamentally incompatible. They cannot coexist peacefully.

    Blasphemy is totally forbidden in Islamic culture. Not only will anything analogous to “Piss Christ” evoke violent retribution but even objective research on the Koran is highly dangerous in an Islamic culture.

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    "The values of the Islamic Wrold (sic) and the values of modern Western liberalism are fundamentally incompatible."

    Absolutely spot on. It is interesting to note that as the traditional Christian flavors in the US are fading, Islam is growing. Western Liberalism can best be demonstrated within mainstream Christianity in the touchy-feely, everything is okay with God, just repeat "Jesus is Lord" as many times as you can, the Bible is a nice book but it's just fairy tales, we're special! As main-stream Christianity sells it's validity for the favors of the political class, the people know, they can tell. And the vacuum created by Christianity's demise is going to be filled with something the people desperately need, something with structure and discipline. Like Islam.
    Human beings are apparently made (you can call it evolution, you can call it whatever you want) with a need to know the limits. Humans need to know the fastest, slowest, rightest, wrongest, upest, downest, largest, smallest, etc. We need this data in order to build an accurate, stable picture of reality, a picture we use to navigate thru this life. But modern Christianity offers nothing towards a person being able to determine a reality. Just believe on Jesus and you will be saved...whatever the hell that means, and whatever the hell you did.

    Are the remaining dregs of Christianity going to fight the "onslaught" of Islam? Oh, you bet. How bad will it get? I don't know, but you can probably look at, oh, Northern Ireland, or Palestine, or the Roundheads and King Charles to get an idea of where it is headed.
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  35. @War for Blair Mountain
    Phil Giraldi

    What you wrote about the vile and repellant Geller is obviously true. But it is also obviously true that if the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had never been passed...and if a National Origins Immigration Policy had been implemented that excluded all Muslims...the probability of 9/11 ever occurring would be precisely equal to 0. Takes away the excuse to invade Iraq-would have made it much more difficult to justify invading Iraq to the General Public.

    So now I am gonna take this opportunity to ask you if you are an enthusiast for post-1965 immigration policy that allows for the expansion of the Muslim population in the US which is enthusiastically voting Whitey into a racial minority in post-Whitey American. To pre-empt how I think you would respond:I am not in favor of importing the Israeli fifth column into the US post and pre- 1965 Immigration Reform Act-a fifth column that agitates for using economically distressed Native Born White American Teenagers from the American Heartland as canon fodder for Greater Israel.

    Dear Battle – I think that the 1965 immigration act was one of the worst things to ever happen to the United States, not necessarily because of its Muslim content but because it let into the country large and unassimilable numbers of third world immigrants who brought with them no skills whatsoever and no understanding of our democratic values. I would also point you to the large numbers of asylum cases that are let into this country every year by government fiat. That’s why we have 20,000 Somalis in places like Minneapolis, some of whom have gone back home to fight for Shabaab.

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    That is what this column should have been about because that is the whole reason people like Geller feel the need to protest the way they do. Without Muslims in historically Christian nations, there is no mosque to protest, Koran to burn, or cartoons to draw.

    You were on to something when you pointed out Geller's double-stance regarding free-speech, but her reasoning for doing what she does isn't hypocritical. She recognizes better than you that the West and Islam cannot coexist peacefully. Fundamentally it isn't about free speech, it's about which law and set of rules (Western or Sharia) is supreme in the United States.
    , @Stan D Mute
    Well now, in all fairness, I can kind of see their point. I mean it really is quite good. A good shish kebab just may be worth fighting for ...

    Er, wait ...

    Nevermind. Thought you meant the meat on a stick stuff. What the hell is a "shebob"? Is that a transgender Arab? Isn't it obvious the reason our Marxist/leftists love the Muslims is the whole Men in Dresses thing? They're just enthralled by a whole religion of Men in Dresses and the rumor (true!) they wipe with bare (left) hands has the Marxist/Left positively smelling arousal in the air. In fact, the Papists too could completely reverse their fortunes with the Left if they'd just (1) share the altar boys, (2) make all the men wear dresses like the clergy, and (3) employ just one minor change to that "eat the flesh" ritual..
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  36. Why should any Jew, or any citizen of the United States, respect Islam, let alone Islamists? If, as Harari argues in Homo Sapiens: A Brief History of Mankind, religions and political systems are fictions, which does one prefer, the one authored by 18th century Jefferson, or the one invented by 7th century Mohammed? They are irreconcilable. If the demographic projections are accurate, Canterbury Cathedral and Notre Dame will be a mosques by the end of the century. Why are Jews fleeing France? How many in 1400 imagined Hagia Sophia would soon be the Imperial Mosque? Had the army of the Umayyad Caliphate made it past Tours, it is unlikely Enlightenment England, and therefore America, would have ever been invented. In the United States, one has a right to practice a religion like Islam. No law requires any citizen to respect it. How many Christians went on killing sprees when Serrano’s Piss Christ created a non-controversy decades ago? Ms. Geller’s contest drew out two credulous imbeciles. Both got what they wanted and deserved. Now there are two less of them to threaten, harass, silence, intimidate, and murder those who have the Constitutional right to satirize their beliefs. We live in an age of self-censorship. E.g., Yale University published a book about the Danish cartoons and offered an elaborate and laughable reason why they excluded images of the subject of the book. Contemptible but understandable cowardice: they didn’t want to have their editors’ heads sliced off, their associates gunned down, or their buildings blown up.

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  37. Geller is the consumate Semite. If she were not Jewish, she would make the perfect rabid Muslim. A pox on both their houses. Let them carry on their vicious, interminable feud somewhere else. I don’t want them in my country.

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  38. annamaria says:
    @onetwothree
    Just skimmed it. #1 The article seemed hyperventingly hysterical. #2 Apparently she's in favor of Israel and against Muslims. I can deal with that.

    Pamela Geller is also against the US interests: try to analyze the Zionists’ words and deeds (a hint: the current situation in the Muddle East and Ukraine). The US are used as a host by the “chosen.” Look how systematically the facts about Ukrainian neo-Nazism have been suppressed by the MSM. Suddenly, the Holocaust stories are not important anymore and it is OK to support the neo-Nazi scums that burn people alive:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/16/4523

    Note the name of the Ukrainian-Israeli citizen Kolomojsky among the bosses of the battalion:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

    From a comment section of sic simper tyrannies blog:
    “The goals here [in Ukraine] are the agricultural land (best outside of Africa) and the extraordinary eastern Ukrainian energy resources (Donetz-Dnieper basin). Even Biden Jr. is waiting the wings to be chairman of some energy concern; he’s a cover, nothing better than a VP’s son.
    The only way Nuland and her tribe can get their mitts on it is by getting the bond vigilantes in to ‘finance’ the Ukraine with the energy resources and agricultural land as collateral. They’ve even moved in their own finance minister from the US. Obama again being played as the great big foreign policy dude, and he’s fallen for it like the narcissist he is. Why else is Stephen Cohen (brilliant Russian analyst) not allowed in the White House to explain Russia to the sitting president? … this is a cash play, and the pay-off, a huge one, is going to come after Obama and Nuland and her husband Kagan, and all their hidden financial friends—are out of office and no one will be noticing. Nuland absolutely needs the Ukraine in the EU or tied to the EU economically to pull this off. ”
    her.http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/05/the-march-of-the-immortal-regiment-ttg.html

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  39. iffen says:

    has unfortunately been picked up by a number of Republican politicians

    I fail to see how this can be considered unfortunate.

    I suppose if one thinks salvation lies in electing more better Republicans it might be considered detrimental. Someone like me might think that it is very fortunate and that the more Republicans who echo nonsense like this then the better.

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  40. annamaria says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Phil Giraldi

    What you wrote about the vile and repellant Geller is obviously true. But it is also obviously true that if the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had never been passed...and if a National Origins Immigration Policy had been implemented that excluded all Muslims...the probability of 9/11 ever occurring would be precisely equal to 0. Takes away the excuse to invade Iraq-would have made it much more difficult to justify invading Iraq to the General Public.

    So now I am gonna take this opportunity to ask you if you are an enthusiast for post-1965 immigration policy that allows for the expansion of the Muslim population in the US which is enthusiastically voting Whitey into a racial minority in post-Whitey American. To pre-empt how I think you would respond:I am not in favor of importing the Israeli fifth column into the US post and pre- 1965 Immigration Reform Act-a fifth column that agitates for using economically distressed Native Born White American Teenagers from the American Heartland as canon fodder for Greater Israel.

    Nice that you have hopes that the handlers of Bush&Cheney regime would have some difficulties in justifying the illegal Iraq war.
    Perhaps the problem is not the Middle East masses, but their rulers. For example, take a look at the Saudi princes with whom Prez Bush had sweet, wet kisses to show his affection for the wealthy and powerful. The Saudis financed 14 high-jackers. This fact had no influence on the Patriot-Accomplisher-Decider. And was not it the Iran’s development towards democracy that led to the US support for Shah (absolutism) in Iran? Shah was handler for oilmen.
    The honest US brass was bland about the Middle East adventures cheered by oilmen and war profiteers and Zionists: the wars have been creating khaos and they led to generating a huge pool of poorly educated and militant fighters against the plunder and destruction of their native lands. What would your sons do if your town was bombed, your place of warship defaced, and your natural resources appropriated by some technologically superior state?

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    Your points are all on the money!
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  41. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Garland TX: Two Mohammed-worshipping thugs expose themselves for what they are and are eliminated from the gene pool. What's not to love.

    We ought to stage a lot more of these events but only in places like Texas where an armed citizenry is willing to take out the bad guys at the first sign of trouble. Notice that the peace-loving Mohammedans whom Mr. Grimaldi is defending here woukld never fall victim to such a setup. It's just a clever way of luring the vermin out of the woodwork so they can be eradicated with as little fuss and muss as possible.

    Attacking a nutcase Israel Firster is not defending Mohammedans.

    These two attackers were FBI patsies, pure and simple. The attack was a set up to keep people like you baaaaing for more big government security.

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    Chris:

    "These two attackers were FBI patsies, pure and simple. "

    I wondered about that, too. It all seemed a bit too convenient for my taste.
    , @J.Ross
    A patsy is an innocent person framed.
    These idiots, like most terrorists, are catspaws: guilty of something but confused in who they effectively serve.
    Which means that Geller wins, since her disgusting bile is well within the pre-Holder First Amendment, and the undocumented protest of the attackers is animal violence.
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  42. @Avery
    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.

    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    True, and the status of Christianity continues to be degraded.

    Maybe some heads need to roll to send a message that Christianity will not be mocked.
    “Those people only respond to force.”

    Israelis and zionists imprison and/or fine or otherwise punish people who refuse to pledge allegiance to holocaustism and governments around the world including the USA have government offices that enforce these Jewish ‘religious’ beliefs. Teaching the quasi-religious dogma of holocaustism is enforced in US taxpayer-funded schools, and critical analysis or any perspective on the story other than the dogmatized narrative is forbidden. This is a violation of US Constitutional principles. It’s also bad history, and it’s obnoxious.

    Isn’t it about time Christians grow a spine and put some muscle behind demands that ziofreaks stop debasing Christianity and Jesus?

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    "Israelis and zionists imprison and/or fine or otherwise punish people who refuse to pledge allegiance to holocaustism and governments around the world including the USA have government offices that enforce these Jewish ‘religious’ beliefs. Teaching the quasi-religious dogma of holocaustism is enforced in US taxpayer-funded schools, and critical analysis or any perspective on the story other than the dogmatized narrative is forbidden. This is a violation of US Constitutional principles. It’s also bad history, and it’s obnoxious."

    On the money, literally, "holocaustism" is big, big business.

    The 'holocaust' storyline is so incredibly easy to debunk that the only option that racist supremacist Jews have is coercion & persecution of those who scrutinize what is an absolutely impossible narrative.

    There is no free speech when it comes to the 'holocaust' storyline. Geller and those like her are a threat to this country. None of this Zionist induced hatred stops until the lies stop.

    www.codoh.com
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  43. SumDood says:

    Wow.

    You know who else hated jews? Nazis.

    Quite an interesting set of bedfellows that Mr. Giraldi picked for himself. But, that’s what cribbing chapters of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion will get you.

    You people just keep on trying to convince yourselves that Islam is peaceful. Let me know how that works out for you.

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    You know who else hated jews? Nazis.
     
    You know who else hates Christians? Israelis.
    , @annamaria
    We the people are saying that Geller is a crazy islamophobe. Incidentally, Pamela Geller was an inspiration for the Norwegian mass murderer Breivik. She is a persona non grata in Norway but the Jewish Community of the US is happy with her membership. You are trying to pretend that Zionism and Judaism are the same. They are not.
    By the way, neither Judaism, nor Islam, nor Christianity have been peaceful. The "most moral" IDF and the racist slogans by the Israeli legislators to kill the "little snakes" (Palestinian babies) are not particularly palatable. As for the militant Islam, would you dare to learn about the role of Zionists in the ongoing catastrophic crisis in the Middle East?
    It would be great to have a tightly controlled emigration, but it would be even greater to stop bombing cities and villages in the Middle East and killing the multitude of the innocent civilians of all ages. The vengeful masses of the victims' relatives are the result of the wars waged by the obnoxious hegemonists, oilmen, and war-profeetires.
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  44. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    One point: there is a sizable Muslim community in Dallas. And they consciously elected to deal with the “Contest” by ignoring the provocation.

    The two murderers were not locals, and drove specifically to commit murder and mayhem. Fortunately, they were unable to.

    As for the argument that intolerance is inherent in Islam, look at history. In 1900, virtually every Muslim country had significant non-Muslim communities. Europe had virtually no Muslims, and pushed out those from areas which fell out of Muslim control e.g. Bulgaria. In 2015, the opposite is true. Is it wrong? Unquestionably. But is intolerance inherent is Islam? The experience of 632-1900 would suggest not.

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    You must be kidding. You need to learn about what it means to be a dhimmi under Islamic rule. While many people may have accepted that status (such as in Spain), it in no way indicates that Islam is "tolerant".
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  45. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Phil Giraldi

    Here is something that I want you to consider. Despite what multimillionaire with a nice second home on Martha’s Vineyard..very nice second home actually…Noam Chomsky would have us believe, the labor market consequences of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act are enormous. Scab labor supply impact:nonwhite legal immigrants+nonwhite illegal aliens+US born geneline to both nonwhite legal immigrants+nonwhite illegal aliens. This massive expansion of the size of scab labor in the US…well, let me get to the heart of the issue:the lies of the Military Recruiter become very persuasive to a White 17-18 old teenager who either works at McDonalds or can’t even find a job at McDonalds.

    One of the more disgusting aspects of the American scene at the moment:Why are economically distressed White American Teenagers from places such as small town Wisconsin…now talking about family…packed off to the USMC because of lack of alternatives…….to die horrible deaths “protecting our Freedoms”..we are talking about Varsity Football Bench Warmers…while big strapping young White “Men” such as NFL Quarterbacks Tom Brady…Eli and Peyton Manning…enjoy their FREEDOM!!!! living in Mansions making millions in endorsements? Something is profoundly wrong with this picture-morally speaking.

    Pam Geller’s family made their millions running a sweatshop in Five Towns Long Island…they employed very low wage Mexicans and Salvadorans. Pam was actively involved in cracking the Bossman-EL JEFE whip! The Geller Family passed their massive labor costs off to the public-bankrupting the County Medical Center in the process. Pam Geller is on record as being an enthusiast for radically changing the racial composition of both the US and the England.

    There is nothing redeeming about the seran-wrapped-shrink-faced-butchered-rhinoplasty enthusiast known as Pam Geller.

    No more Willie McBrides!!!!!!!!!!!…Pam Geller is not worth it….

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  46. Geller is so much a supporter of the Zionist enterprise that she is willing to bring hatred and religious war to the streets of America for the benefit of that little hate state. Without her full throated (see photo) support and that of other israel Firsters here, israel’s inhabitants would soon be on their way back to Minsk, Pinsk and Miami Beach.

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  47. @Anonymous
    One point: there is a sizable Muslim community in Dallas. And they consciously elected to deal with the "Contest" by ignoring the provocation.

    The two murderers were not locals, and drove specifically to commit murder and mayhem. Fortunately, they were unable to.

    As for the argument that intolerance is inherent in Islam, look at history. In 1900, virtually every Muslim country had significant non-Muslim communities. Europe had virtually no Muslims, and pushed out those from areas which fell out of Muslim control e.g. Bulgaria. In 2015, the opposite is true. Is it wrong? Unquestionably. But is intolerance inherent is Islam? The experience of 632-1900 would suggest not.

    You must be kidding. You need to learn about what it means to be a dhimmi under Islamic rule. While many people may have accepted that status (such as in Spain), it in no way indicates that Islam is “tolerant”.

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    'tolerant' by the standards of the time. paying extra taxes is better than being annihilated, ethnically cleansed, or outcasted, or forced to convert AND pay extra taxes.
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  48. @Mohamed
    Hysterical? Hardly. What Giraldi said is this "If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights."

    You did not and could not dispute the above noted factual statement, and instead tried to smear the article by inventing non existent hysteria. You can always tell Israel firsters by their clumsy, bogus spin.

    I don’t know what makes you think that the sentence you quoted beginning with IF is a “factual statement,” but that’s idle speculation. Maybe, maybe not driven by evidence, but there’s nothing factual about it.

    And, anyway, as comparison it’s ridiculous. The contest was “drawing,” the simple act of which causes acts of violence by persons for whom the United States has no use. Shitting on a Torah, burning a flag — very different acts. Let’s not get our knickers in a twist. And this “Zionist” nonsense … it’s getting hard to take some of these sites seriously when that sort of thing pops up in every discussion.

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  49. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Willie McBride:”was it slow and obscene….The countless White Crosses stand mute in the sand”….

    Past Saturday…came out of SagTown Coffee Shop..walked down the steps to Main Street Sag Harbor…first parked car I came across had this bumper sticker:HILLARY CLINTON=NOTORIOUS WAR CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!….Wow!!!…in Clinton occupied country!!! bumper sticker underneath the above bumper sticker :HILLARY CLINTON=THE BUTCHER OF BELGRADE!!!!!!!!

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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Maj. Kong
    You lose us when you defend Al "Gore" Jazeera, Qatar is much more noxious than AIPAC.

    Qatar may be “much more noxious than AIPAC” but it it isn’t Qatar that is betraying my country on behalf of hostile foreigners who despise us and bend our leaders to their will. Al Jazeera America may pretend to be real journalists, but at least they don’t pretend to be loyal Americans.

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  51. Svigor says:

    Jew takes a time out from shitting on Christianity to shit on Islam, news at 11.

    It’s time to shit on Judaism.

    *drops mic*

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  52. @Chris Mallory
    "Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine."

    Most of the Christian bashing I have personally heard has come from people who share the same tribe as Geller. The rest of it comes from atheists.

    Well Giraldi does tons of it so I guess when he stops accusing, at the behest of the Middle Eastern donors who keep his sad sack organization afloat, American Christians of plotting to overthrow the government then maybe his tears won’t seem so crocodily. Some people like Giraldi develop empathy only when the check clears. That said Giraldi’s empathy comes cheap.

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    I know nothing about this Giraldi or his organisation. Could you tell me who these donors are?
    , @KA
    Donation is pouring in from Saudi . The neocon ( the mother -Israel ) are getting the money almost 14 billions to carry the beef and the water for Saudi ,to portray them as moderate and real ally for stability so earnestly sought by US.
    Saudi has to do it since last 11 yrs they have been demonized and threatened by the same neocons .Kristol boasted " we got rid of the Arabist from State Dept" and Campus Watch made sure the wisdom with vision on ME politics would be taken care with slander,pressure,and banishment .
    Money in trillions went missing from Pentagon just before 911 and Zockheim wasn't asked a single question . Rubio is getting millions from the Florida Jews who want him to destroy Iran . He is getting from the settlement promoter on West Bank. They are new Saban and Adelson.
    Money is paid to Hannity and Blitzer and few other by the neocon outfit known as media so that they can lie and spread hate all day presenting the neocon shit as truth . Money told Brit Hume and Cameron of Fox to shit up and not talk about 911 and Israel anymore .
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  53. @SumDood
    Wow.

    You know who else hated jews? Nazis.

    Quite an interesting set of bedfellows that Mr. Giraldi picked for himself. But, that's what cribbing chapters of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion will get you.

    You people just keep on trying to convince yourselves that Islam is peaceful. Let me know how that works out for you.

    You know who else hated jews? Nazis.

    You know who else hates Christians? Israelis.

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    You know who else hates Christians Philip Giraldi.
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  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Israelis and zionists imprison and/or fine or otherwise punish people who refuse to pledge allegiance to holocaustism and governments around the world including the USA have government offices that enforce these Jewish ‘religious’ beliefs.

    A good example would be Bobby Fischer’s international arrest warrants (issued by U.S.) soon after openly criticizing U.S. and Israel policy. Fischer, who was Jewish by blood, was targeted after saying things like “[the U.S.] is a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed, circumcised Jew bastards” and “Look, nobody gets … that the U.S. and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians … for years.” (Source: Wikipedia: Bobby Fischer)
    Fischer didn’t say things things out of stupid ignorance, he was extremely well-read with a tested IQ of 181.

    Interestingly, near the end of his life, Fischer had the position, “The only hope for the world is through Catholicism.” (Endgame by Frank Brady, pg. 315). But there is no evidence Fischer himself ever became Catholic.

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  55. Flower says:
    @Jim
    The values of the Islamic Wrold and the values of modern Western liberalism are fundamentally incompatible. They cannot coexist peacefully.

    Blasphemy is totally forbidden in Islamic culture. Not only will anything analogous to "Piss Christ" evoke violent retribution but even objective research on the Koran is highly dangerous in an Islamic culture.

    “The values of the Islamic Wrold (sic) and the values of modern Western liberalism are fundamentally incompatible.”

    Absolutely spot on. It is interesting to note that as the traditional Christian flavors in the US are fading, Islam is growing. Western Liberalism can best be demonstrated within mainstream Christianity in the touchy-feely, everything is okay with God, just repeat “Jesus is Lord” as many times as you can, the Bible is a nice book but it’s just fairy tales, we’re special! As main-stream Christianity sells it’s validity for the favors of the political class, the people know, they can tell. And the vacuum created by Christianity’s demise is going to be filled with something the people desperately need, something with structure and discipline. Like Islam.
    Human beings are apparently made (you can call it evolution, you can call it whatever you want) with a need to know the limits. Humans need to know the fastest, slowest, rightest, wrongest, upest, downest, largest, smallest, etc. We need this data in order to build an accurate, stable picture of reality, a picture we use to navigate thru this life. But modern Christianity offers nothing towards a person being able to determine a reality. Just believe on Jesus and you will be saved…whatever the hell that means, and whatever the hell you did.

    Are the remaining dregs of Christianity going to fight the “onslaught” of Islam? Oh, you bet. How bad will it get? I don’t know, but you can probably look at, oh, Northern Ireland, or Palestine, or the Roundheads and King Charles to get an idea of where it is headed.

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  56. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Are the remaining dregs of Christianity going to fight the “onslaught” of Islam? Oh, you bet. How bad will it get? I don’t know, but you can probably look at, oh, Northern Ireland, or Palestine, or the Roundheads and King Charles to get an idea of where it is headed.

    The U.S. and West will become like Christians in Aleppo. But the way I see this playing out is the emergence and dominance of Christian China and the Far East and eastern Russia. The high IQed people’s are drawn to Christianity (U.K. Telegraph: China on course to become most Christian nation in 15 years). The next crusade will be decisive and my money’s on the high-IQed, disciplined, practical people with thermonuclear weapons.

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    You are probably correct, although what would a "Christian China" be? I ask this because there is an astounding array of flavors of Christianity in this world, with apparently even more being hatched as we speak. What would they be? Catholic? Methodist? Southern Baptist? Jehovah's Witnesses? Mormon's? (If China becomes Mormon, would they try to buy Utah?)

    What I was trying to get at is that mainly due to our enslaved media, we see the overall issue as being political, and it is not, it is religious. America thinks these Muslims as crazy, childlike, totally confusing when it comes to grownup reality, but then, what would you expect from a country that has flushed it's religion (and, in fact, all religions) down the toilet?
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  57. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Geller is the face of Jewish hypocrisy. That America Conservatism marches to her tune shows how worthless the GOP is.

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  58. @Terrahawk
    The culture lampooning Islam with gross stereotype in fact created the militant Islam we know in the present day.

    Actually, no. Militant Islam has been around as long as there has been Islam. It was militant while Mohammed was around.

    The belief that somehow Hebdo "punching down" is absurd. Hebdo was leftist and went after every religion. I assume if Christians had slaughtered the staff, you would argue the same thing about resentment, anger, etc?

    Anyways, the whole argument of the article basically boils down to Geller is a hypocrite and Muslims are just pawns in the games of this Jew.

    Muslims are just pawns in the games of this Jew

    ^_^ …. move along folks, nothing worthwhile comes out of being pathologically fixated on Jews.

    Or read here:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/14/gods-chosen-a-dumb-idea/

    ^

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  59. Flower says:
    @Anonymous

    Are the remaining dregs of Christianity going to fight the “onslaught” of Islam? Oh, you bet. How bad will it get? I don’t know, but you can probably look at, oh, Northern Ireland, or Palestine, or the Roundheads and King Charles to get an idea of where it is headed.
     
    The U.S. and West will become like Christians in Aleppo. But the way I see this playing out is the emergence and dominance of Christian China and the Far East and eastern Russia. The high IQed people's are drawn to Christianity (U.K. Telegraph: China on course to become most Christian nation in 15 years). The next crusade will be decisive and my money's on the high-IQed, disciplined, practical people with thermonuclear weapons.

    You are probably correct, although what would a “Christian China” be? I ask this because there is an astounding array of flavors of Christianity in this world, with apparently even more being hatched as we speak. What would they be? Catholic? Methodist? Southern Baptist? Jehovah’s Witnesses? Mormon’s? (If China becomes Mormon, would they try to buy Utah?)

    What I was trying to get at is that mainly due to our enslaved media, we see the overall issue as being political, and it is not, it is religious. America thinks these Muslims as crazy, childlike, totally confusing when it comes to grownup reality, but then, what would you expect from a country that has flushed it’s religion (and, in fact, all religions) down the toilet?

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  60. Thank God for decent Jewish people who see Geller’s bigotry for what it is. History proves that every ethnic group has among it the intolerant and mad, which history also teaches it is important to recognize and call out, as too often these megalomaniacs have infected whole countries by sowing fear through their demagoguery, especially in times of financial insecurity.

    This problem is thoroughly human. The racists who seized control of a bankrupted Germany in the 1930s infamously claimed that Germans who were Jewish really were not German because they weren’t civilized or fully human, even going so far as to term them vermin. The societal problems had been allowed to fester and grow to become insoluble by normal political means, so unscrupulous power seekers offered up phoney scapegoats to blame.

    But of course the Jews in Germany were German and as fully human as any of us. Thus it should be no surprise that some demagogues who happen to be Jewish have arisen and gained power based on the seemingly insoluble contradictions inherent in modern Israel, an anachronism in our modern age, a nation that still confers full citizenship on the basis of a single religion and supposed race. Obviously, this is an anomaly in our modern world – nations that practiced apartheid, as in late Afrikaaner South Africa became pariah states. The irony is not that a nuclear armed South Africa’s last ally was Israel, but that a nation of people persecuted and subjected to racist genocide should adopt the very definitions of citizenship and deformed human rights of their persecutors as their own.

    Hannah Arendt, a leading philosopher of the 20th century who bequeathed to us a deeper understanding of the origins of totalitarianism, recognized that a persecuted people can be betrayed by their own leaders, who cooperate in their holocaust with oppressors. This is an old story, that conquest never occurs without betrayal and collaboration. Arendt, Jewish herself, became an outcast among unthinking Zionists for her truth-telling, which opposed the sort of bifurcations about good and evil of whole peoples that Geller propagates.

    The banality of evil is that very ordinary people with extraordinarily tone deaf consciences, such as Geller, can become through their moral blindness the very Eichmanns they supposedly oppose, and if unopposed, lead others down the same historically destructive paths. In an America where so many are in financial straits from which donorized politicians have no answers for us, Geller’s scapegoating message that creates a distracting illusion of “enemies” to fight and destroy also powers the very profitable drive for wars, as it has in the past.

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    One of your better posts.
    , @joe webb
    compendium cliches dept.

    I attended a play in San Jose California about 10 years ago about Arendt and Heidegger ( a sure thing for the local liberals/jews/theata folks.) Besides the cliches therein, compleat with a platinum blonde limp-wristed nazi, it stunk.

    However, an old grey head stood up in the Q and A period after the play and announced that his uncle had dated Arendt in Germany...something like that. And uncle was a communist...all these folks are jews herein. Uncle said that all the jews around his family were either zionists, communists or socialists. I am not making this up.

    Of course there must have been a few loyal (to Germany) jews, but not many. Thus the Jews are just like the rest of us with a few bad apples.

    To state that evil is banal is pretty stupid. Evil is a word I do not bother with. I use a psychological term....Psychopath. A psychopath is one without any human empathy, and thus can kill his mother, his child, etc.

    This is a very interesting disorder and gets most people pretty excited. Banal? please. What you do with psychopaths is you kill them. The vikings exiled them and if they came home, they were killed.

    To say that nazis were evil is , sorry, banal, or just stupid. People have a tendency to kill Others who are trying to harm them, or are perceived as such. That is merely human nature. It helps a tribe survive other tribes or psychopaths from within.

    Some races have managed to reduce the violence but it will never be eliminated. that is why small wars are better than big wars. That is why nationalism will occasionally produce small wars, but by definition cannot produce big wars. Any combination of alliances between states is dangerous.

    If Ukraine and Russia need to fight it out...let them. Otoh, putting together opposing teams of countries to intervene in Russia/Ukraine is stupid...it just makes things worse. That is what we got now....New World Order/Nato/EU/LIberal International Capitalism, neocons ....to go to war with Russia?

    Pretty dumb. Russia of course has its national interest to protect. The people on the ground are the people who have Standing. If the Ruskies and the Ukrainians want to fight it out...let them. But don't call them communists and nazis. Just stupidity again. It is nationalism, that is all.

    And it cannot be stopped. It can be escalated beyond a local war, and that is where the, can I say, psychopaths that lead us , come in. Neocons, crusaders, liberal free traders, Israel Firsters....all are psychopaths, but there is no way to deal with them (kill them) so we have to lurch forward into god knows what.

    So we continue to expose the worst of them...that would be us doing the exposing....of the neocons, nato, etc. and defend Russia for doing what its national interest requires on its own borders. We can point out that if the shoe were on the other foot...Canadian or Mexican border...the bomb, bomb, bomb McCains would be chimping out, and the jews would yawn and write letters home to mom and dad
    in Israel.

    Likewise...on the matter of everybody is everybody department, you may have noticed that the cherubic dufus, Kim , King of N. Korea, has executed an opponent who insulted him, maybe with an anti-aircraft gun per NYT, in front of those in need of a reminder as to who's boss. Anti-aircraft gun?? About a 20 or 30 millimeter type barrel....quite a spectacular shower of guts and body parts.

    Get the point? Oriental Despotism. They are not like us. never have been and never will be.
    The Jews? Dunno....so far it don't look so good. Arabs? ditto. Blacks? ditto, and so on. Whites are the most humane of races...warts yes, and capable of inter-ethnic warfare...so what? Think about the Other races. Think about China and keep those ICBMS warmed-up.



    Joe Webb
    , @Anonymous
    The Germans have started two major wars and committed major genocides such as the Herero and Holocaust in recent memory. According to your logic then, wouldn't this be evidence that the Germans are psychopathic and a threat to non-Germans, and that non-Germans should regard and treat them as such?
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  61. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    As the researcher, writer, editor, and publisher of the Argentum Post, I would like to point out that Pamela Geller and her so-called “American Freedom Defense Initiative” can be criminally prosecuted on the basis of a Supreme Court ruling.

    Decided in said ruling on December of 1942 in the case of Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire was the following :

    Holding
    “A criminal conviction for causing a breach of the peace through the use of “fighting words” does not violate the Free Speech guarantee of the First Amendment.”

    For my complete article on this subject open the following URL :

    http://tinyurl.com/k8vdj9a

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    " I would like to point out that Pamela Geller and her so-called “American Freedom Defense Initiative” can be criminally prosecuted "

    This is 21st Century America, you can be criminally charged for anything. Welcome to the states, Al.
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  62. annamaria says:
    @SumDood
    Wow.

    You know who else hated jews? Nazis.

    Quite an interesting set of bedfellows that Mr. Giraldi picked for himself. But, that's what cribbing chapters of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion will get you.

    You people just keep on trying to convince yourselves that Islam is peaceful. Let me know how that works out for you.

    We the people are saying that Geller is a crazy islamophobe. Incidentally, Pamela Geller was an inspiration for the Norwegian mass murderer Breivik. She is a persona non grata in Norway but the Jewish Community of the US is happy with her membership. You are trying to pretend that Zionism and Judaism are the same. They are not.
    By the way, neither Judaism, nor Islam, nor Christianity have been peaceful. The “most moral” IDF and the racist slogans by the Israeli legislators to kill the “little snakes” (Palestinian babies) are not particularly palatable. As for the militant Islam, would you dare to learn about the role of Zionists in the ongoing catastrophic crisis in the Middle East?
    It would be great to have a tightly controlled emigration, but it would be even greater to stop bombing cities and villages in the Middle East and killing the multitude of the innocent civilians of all ages. The vengeful masses of the victims’ relatives are the result of the wars waged by the obnoxious hegemonists, oilmen, and war-profeetires.

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    Actually, the SPLC's actually listed her as a hate person.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/pamela-geller

    The American Jewish community is not fond of her.
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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Don Nash
    Geller is a sadly delusional hate monger and Israel firster. She would leave even a staunch Israel firster looking for an exit. But this is America and even an idiot the likes of Ted Cruz gets to prattle without recrimination.

    Giraldi is a Jew hater but I support to his death his right to express his hatred.

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    Hi biggusdon:
    I think you are mistaken. Giraldi despises 'zionists' and I share his aversion.
    , @annamaria
    There is no need to mix Jews with the Zionists. The best Jewish intellectuals and ethicists would be against the hate-filled Geller.
    "Why Israel Should Not Exist"
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/19/why-israel-should-not-exist/
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  64. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @solontoCroesus

    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.
     
    True, and the status of Christianity continues to be degraded.

    Maybe some heads need to roll to send a message that Christianity will not be mocked.
    "Those people only respond to force."

    Israelis and zionists imprison and/or fine or otherwise punish people who refuse to pledge allegiance to holocaustism and governments around the world including the USA have government offices that enforce these Jewish 'religious' beliefs. Teaching the quasi-religious dogma of holocaustism is enforced in US taxpayer-funded schools, and critical analysis or any perspective on the story other than the dogmatized narrative is forbidden. This is a violation of US Constitutional principles. It's also bad history, and it's obnoxious.

    Isn't it about time Christians grow a spine and put some muscle behind demands that ziofreaks stop debasing Christianity and Jesus?

    “Israelis and zionists imprison and/or fine or otherwise punish people who refuse to pledge allegiance to holocaustism and governments around the world including the USA have government offices that enforce these Jewish ‘religious’ beliefs. Teaching the quasi-religious dogma of holocaustism is enforced in US taxpayer-funded schools, and critical analysis or any perspective on the story other than the dogmatized narrative is forbidden. This is a violation of US Constitutional principles. It’s also bad history, and it’s obnoxious.”

    On the money, literally, “holocaustism” is big, big business.

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is so incredibly easy to debunk that the only option that racist supremacist Jews have is coercion & persecution of those who scrutinize what is an absolutely impossible narrative.

    There is no free speech when it comes to the ‘holocaust’ storyline. Geller and those like her are a threat to this country. None of this Zionist induced hatred stops until the lies stop.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is so incredibly easy to debunk.
     
    Really? Then why don't you "debunk" it for me, right here and now?
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  65. The characterization of this being a free speech issue is somewhat ludicrous as no one defended her right to free speech – she was required to pay $10,000 for security upfront before even being allowed to speak. As with so many of our other purported liberties and institutions, they are the best that money can buy.

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  66. Flower says:
    @Anonymous
    As the researcher, writer, editor, and publisher of the Argentum Post, I would like to point out that Pamela Geller and her so-called "American Freedom Defense Initiative" can be criminally prosecuted on the basis of a Supreme Court ruling.

    Decided in said ruling on December of 1942 in the case of Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire was the following :

    Holding
    "A criminal conviction for causing a breach of the peace through the use of “fighting words” does not violate the Free Speech guarantee of the First Amendment."

    For my complete article on this subject open the following URL :

    http://tinyurl.com/k8vdj9a

    ” I would like to point out that Pamela Geller and her so-called “American Freedom Defense Initiative” can be criminally prosecuted ”

    This is 21st Century America, you can be criminally charged for anything. Welcome to the states, Al.

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  67. @Chris Mallory

    You know who else hated jews? Nazis.
     
    You know who else hates Christians? Israelis.

    You know who else hates Christians Philip Giraldi.

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  68. Don Nash says:
    @Anonymous
    Giraldi is a Jew hater but I support to his death his right to express his hatred.

    Hi biggusdon:
    I think you are mistaken. Giraldi despises ‘zionists’ and I share his aversion.

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    Giraldi despises ‘zionists’ and I share his aversion.
     
    That's like saying you have warm feelings about Americans but you despise the United States of America as a concept.
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  69. Biff says:

    What Pamela Geller wanted with her cartoon show was violence and dead bodies, and she got exactly that. Her alter-ego counter parts in ISIS know what kind of media attention that brings.

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  70. IA says:

    Bogus issue of free speech “rights”. Islam, unlike all other traditional religions, relies on violence, and the threat of violence, to keep its members. It uses violence to drive out competing religions in lands it invades. It has zero interest in”free speech,” or any other rights, other than to exploit a Liberal house of cards.

    Geller and Wilders (who is under 24-hour police protection in his own country) are engaged in a double bank shot to flush out not only violent Muslims, but also Liberals who do not believe in their own propaganda. Congratulations Mr. Giraldi, for outing yourself and fellow travelers.

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    Yeah sure, judaism and Zionists (apartheid Israel, bought US government, Jews / Zionists everywhere) never ever uses, encourages, or finances violence.

    I can't think of anything that Geller and her ilk savor more than being under 24-hour police protection. They revel in the fact that their actions create resentment & blowback; albeit, and as usual, highly exaggerated. They love the attention, it runs in the family.

    Congratulations hasbarist, for outing yourself and your fellow travelers.

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  71. It’s hard to believe the author is this obtuse. It’s like everything he knows about Islam came from a CAIR press release.

    Of course the issue is not that 100% of Muslims are terrorists or sharia advocates; the issue is that too many of them are. There are enough of them, and they have more than enough textual and historical support (cf. the Koran, the Hadiths, the Tafsirs, and all the rightly-guided Caliphs) to credibly justify their claims. The problem is not a handful of cranks or crazies that you find in small numbers in every religion; the problem is baked into the Islamic cake.

    And contra Mr. Giraldi, imposition of sharia law is indeed the stated goal of several of these groups, including the one that endorsed/partially took credit for the shooting in Garland.

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  72. @Wally
    "Israelis and zionists imprison and/or fine or otherwise punish people who refuse to pledge allegiance to holocaustism and governments around the world including the USA have government offices that enforce these Jewish ‘religious’ beliefs. Teaching the quasi-religious dogma of holocaustism is enforced in US taxpayer-funded schools, and critical analysis or any perspective on the story other than the dogmatized narrative is forbidden. This is a violation of US Constitutional principles. It’s also bad history, and it’s obnoxious."

    On the money, literally, "holocaustism" is big, big business.

    The 'holocaust' storyline is so incredibly easy to debunk that the only option that racist supremacist Jews have is coercion & persecution of those who scrutinize what is an absolutely impossible narrative.

    There is no free speech when it comes to the 'holocaust' storyline. Geller and those like her are a threat to this country. None of this Zionist induced hatred stops until the lies stop.

    www.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is so incredibly easy to debunk.

    Really? Then why don’t you “debunk” it for me, right here and now?

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    "Really? Then why don’t you “debunk” it for me, right here and now?"

    In fact, you've already been demolished countless times, see here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+darwin+hannover+lice#p72138
    Ouch!

    I also assume you are still threatening people.
    I also assume that you still call the work places various of Revisionists attempting to get them fired.
    I also assume you still make stalking phone calls to their homes.
    And that's not the half of it.

    Sir, when in a hole it's recommended that you stop digging.

    Regards.

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  73. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Pamella Geller may be a bat sh.t crazy Israel-firster, and necons obviously captured and continue to shape Islam discussion in the US, but this fact in no way must obscure REAL problems with Islam, especially its Sunni version, and what it “brings” to the world. There IS a problem and a huge one. Another matter that US is doing everything possible to aggravate it to the point of full blown civilizational clash. And it is US and Israel’s (with tacit and financial support of US terrorist “allies” Saudis) responsibility for obliterating, under false premises and nauseating demagoguery about “democracy”, the last vestiges of Arab secular nationalism and bringing to power in the region, intentionally or not, religious fanatics, who DO view a collective West as an enemy which must be destroyed. But that destruction is the CORE of Islam. So, Geller might be a Zionist shill and AIPAC is a malignant inclusion in the US body politic, but while fighting them. let’s not forget what towers behind and it is not pretty. But then again, 9-11 didn’t teach US “elites” sh.t.

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  74. Pamela Geller’s free speech rights are not seriously imperiled. She is free to hate Islam and Muslims all she wants.

    But her feelings and beliefs are not the issue. What all the rest of us need to understand is that her actions are a deliberate incitement of muslims. Why? Could it be that she and others like her see conflict between Muslims and Christian Americans as a benefit of her own tribe and to Israel? She is playing the age old game of “lets you and him fight.” Being manipulated by one foreign tribe against another is becoming a national disgrace.

    I have to agree with a commenter above about the immigration law of 1965. I would go one step further. Given that so many American Jews have failed to assimilate into patriotic Americans, who place the good of their adopted country first, it is our shame that we welcomed so many here. It is astounding that they can so openly proclaim their ethnic allegiance as their primary concern to the rest of us without any sense of shame. Perhaps the bigger shame is that we tolerate it.

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    "Being manipulated by one foreign tribe against another is becoming a national disgrace."

    Thanks Mr. Meehan. I couldn't put it better.

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  75. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @IA
    Bogus issue of free speech "rights". Islam, unlike all other traditional religions, relies on violence, and the threat of violence, to keep its members. It uses violence to drive out competing religions in lands it invades. It has zero interest in"free speech," or any other rights, other than to exploit a Liberal house of cards.

    Geller and Wilders (who is under 24-hour police protection in his own country) are engaged in a double bank shot to flush out not only violent Muslims, but also Liberals who do not believe in their own propaganda. Congratulations Mr. Giraldi, for outing yourself and fellow travelers.

    Yeah sure, judaism and Zionists (apartheid Israel, bought US government, Jews / Zionists everywhere) never ever uses, encourages, or finances violence.

    I can’t think of anything that Geller and her ilk savor more than being under 24-hour police protection. They revel in the fact that their actions create resentment & blowback; albeit, and as usual, highly exaggerated. They love the attention, it runs in the family.

    Congratulations hasbarist, for outing yourself and your fellow travelers.

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  76. schmenz says:
    @Chris Mallory
    Attacking a nutcase Israel Firster is not defending Mohammedans.

    These two attackers were FBI patsies, pure and simple. The attack was a set up to keep people like you baaaaing for more big government security.

    Chris:

    “These two attackers were FBI patsies, pure and simple. ”

    I wondered about that, too. It all seemed a bit too convenient for my taste.

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  77. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is so incredibly easy to debunk.
     
    Really? Then why don't you "debunk" it for me, right here and now?

    “Really? Then why don’t you “debunk” it for me, right here and now?”

    In fact, you’ve already been demolished countless times, see here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+darwin+hannover+lice#p72138

    Ouch!

    I also assume you are still threatening people.
    I also assume that you still call the work places various of Revisionists attempting to get them fired.
    I also assume you still make stalking phone calls to their homes.
    And that’s not the half of it.

    Sir, when in a hole it’s recommended that you stop digging.

    Regards.

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    Just to be clear on a few points

    (1) The CODOH forum is moderated by "Hannover"

    http://codoh.com/media/files/documents/newsite/sr/online/sr_138.pdf

    see page 10

    (2) As the Moderator, "Hannover" selectively allows posts by people who disagree with him such that he "wins" every debate:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/codoh-forum-that-moderated-itself-to.html

    (3) Anyone can go to CODOH and see the posts of the Moderator and Hannover and compare them to the posts of "BobbyBeGood."

    See, e.g., misspelling of "its":

    Moderator: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5821&p=39496#p39499
    Hannover: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5230

    Look through Bobby's posts here. Same error. Comma splices too. Not to mention the subject matter.

    (4) Based on (1), (2), and (3), I've asked Bobby to debate in a forum he doesn't control. He will not, which seems telling.
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just to erase any shadow of doubt, my response to this:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9537#p72381

    was disallowed by Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis, and I instead received the below:

    You are dodging and intentionally ignoring the obvious.
    No distractions, please.
    - There was no debate between you and Hannover at Unz Review.
    - There was a debate between you and Mulegino at Unz Review.
    - The Germaness of the document is stated in the quoted text "the
    administration of Auschwitz compiled a statistical report ..."
    - You dodged:
    "As Polish historian Henry Swiebocki reports, no fewer than 11,246
    prisoners underwent surgery at Auschwitz between 10 September 1942 and 23
    February 1944. 43" which is not a Soviet Archive reference.
    - You dodged:
    "(According to the Holocaust story, a huge number of Hungarian Jews were
    gassed at Auschwitz between 15 May and 9 July 1944. While not a single one
    of these alleged gas chamber murders is confirmed by a German document, the
    medical treatment of 3,138 Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz until 27 July is
    indeed documented.)"
     
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
    You mad, bro?

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9547
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
    What's the matter, Alice? Took your ball and ran home?
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  78. @Yevardian
    Islam and Judaism are two different sides of the same supremacist coin. At least Muslims take converts and are (generally) open about what they believe.

    Indeed Muslims take converts – it relieves people of the possibility of being enslaved by Muslims – and once converted they aren’t allowed to reconvert unlike Christians and Jews. But you are wrong about Judaism and converts. I have recently met two very attractive blonde blue eyed shiksas who converted to Judaism….

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  79. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Chris Mallory
    Attacking a nutcase Israel Firster is not defending Mohammedans.

    These two attackers were FBI patsies, pure and simple. The attack was a set up to keep people like you baaaaing for more big government security.

    A patsy is an innocent person framed.
    These idiots, like most terrorists, are catspaws: guilty of something but confused in who they effectively serve.
    Which means that Geller wins, since her disgusting bile is well within the pre-Holder First Amendment, and the undocumented protest of the attackers is animal violence.

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  80. matt says:

    Usually, I think the antidote to free speech is more free speech. However, I make an exception for Pamela Geller: in her case, I don’t think more speech is needed. Her own speech is quite enough:

    The mardcore Hama scruops in the US HAMAS CAIR, MSU,MSA, ICNA are doing thr Htiler stompin jig to get these conter terrorim messures removed so that devout Muslims can roam freeem to plan the next 911.

    May she continue to live and be free to say things like this.

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  81. @Wally
    "Really? Then why don’t you “debunk” it for me, right here and now?"

    In fact, you've already been demolished countless times, see here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+darwin+hannover+lice#p72138
    Ouch!

    I also assume you are still threatening people.
    I also assume that you still call the work places various of Revisionists attempting to get them fired.
    I also assume you still make stalking phone calls to their homes.
    And that's not the half of it.

    Sir, when in a hole it's recommended that you stop digging.

    Regards.

    Just to be clear on a few points

    (1) The CODOH forum is moderated by “Hannover”

    http://codoh.com/media/files/documents/newsite/sr/online/sr_138.pdf

    see page 10

    (2) As the Moderator, “Hannover” selectively allows posts by people who disagree with him such that he “wins” every debate:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/codoh-forum-that-moderated-itself-to.html

    (3) Anyone can go to CODOH and see the posts of the Moderator and Hannover and compare them to the posts of “BobbyBeGood.”

    See, e.g., misspelling of “its”:

    Moderator: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5821&p=39496#p39499
    Hannover: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5230

    Look through Bobby’s posts here. Same error. Comma splices too. Not to mention the subject matter.

    (4) Based on (1), (2), and (3), I’ve asked Bobby to debate in a forum he doesn’t control. He will not, which seems telling.

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    The codoh forum is one nasty operation:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/06/people-too-stupid-to-understand-theyre-stupid/

    And screwed up pretty significantly ^
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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Come on Giraldi, check out some of the pictures of Geller and tell me you wouldn’t love to do her! You know what every normal man is thinking with that picture you posted with the article (or is it just my dirty mind?). I don’t know, I think she could have me pledging allegiance to AIPAC pretty quickly.

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    Anonymous - I'll leave her to you with my blessing. Pillow talk with her could be a bit challenging.
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  83. IA says:

    I’ve noticed people with Jew obsessions never seem to explain Muslim violence in places like India or Thailand.

    Can Islam survive without violence? Now that should be the real question.

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  84. @Anonymous
    Come on Giraldi, check out some of the pictures of Geller and tell me you wouldn't love to do her! You know what every normal man is thinking with that picture you posted with the article (or is it just my dirty mind?). I don't know, I think she could have me pledging allegiance to AIPAC pretty quickly.

    Anonymous – I’ll leave her to you with my blessing. Pillow talk with her could be a bit challenging.

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  85. Buck Swamp says: • Website
    @Aristippus
    Pamela Geller is an asshole, but she has a right to be an asshole. In the same vein, Alan Dershowitz protected the rights of Nazis in Skokie to be Nazis even though they were a bunch of assholes. The problem with what happened in Garland is not that the people there were using free speech, but that the offended party used guns instead of a counter protest.

    Exactly the right point. Geller isn’t the issue, Islamic-Fascism is.

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  86. @SFG
    Israel may be fond of violence against Palestinians in the territories, but I doubt they would shoot an American who pooped on a Torah scroll.

    Israeli soldiers may not shoot you, but I wouldn’t try that in an Orthodox or settler neighborhood.

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    Agreed, but they probably wouldn't send assassins after you if you tried it on TV.
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  87. @Aristippus
    Pamela Geller is an asshole, but she has a right to be an asshole. In the same vein, Alan Dershowitz protected the rights of Nazis in Skokie to be Nazis even though they were a bunch of assholes. The problem with what happened in Garland is not that the people there were using free speech, but that the offended party used guns instead of a counter protest.

    The Nazi march in Skokie was a farce, and Dershowitz probably understood as much. The lead Nazi was Jewish.

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  88. @Sam Haysom
    Well Giraldi does tons of it so I guess when he stops accusing, at the behest of the Middle Eastern donors who keep his sad sack organization afloat, American Christians of plotting to overthrow the government then maybe his tears won't seem so crocodily. Some people like Giraldi develop empathy only when the check clears. That said Giraldi's empathy comes cheap.

    I know nothing about this Giraldi or his organisation. Could you tell me who these donors are?

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  89. Art says:

    Free speech is not an absolute – it is an ideal. By definition “ideals” are never 100% attainable all of the time. Another ideal of Christian Western culture is that “life is sacred.” When speech can kill – speech must give way to life. This is not philosophical rocket science.

    This vile despicable piece of NY trash yelled “fire in a crowded theater.” She almost got what she wanted – she wanted to create a situation where Muslims killed Americans on American soil. If that cop was not such a good shot, many Americans could have died. She invited that to happen. She invited those ignorant people to a gathering where they could have lost their lives. That gutter dwelling low life played hate to the hilt.

    She is a cultural criminal against our America. She twisted our philosophical underpinnings, for the gain not of America, but for the express purpose of furthering the Zionist Israeli agenda. We all know this to be true. End of story!

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  90. I couldn’t care less about Israel or Geller’s Judaism. Giraldi’s obsessions with those things blind him.

    This was an event in Texas about Islam. The details of the event are not important. It is one more part of an interesting question about Islam and the US.

    The question is, can Muslims live in a chaotic, conflicted and pluralistic society that will regularly insult and even attempt to destroy their dearest beliefs without becoming self-righteously violent? Looks like most can, but that a significant minority cannot. And even many of the non-violent majority seem to tacitly approve of the violence, as does Mr. Giraldi himself. Many American liberals also tacitly approve.

    Since there is nothing to be gained for the US to continue to allow mass Muslim immigration and significant societal losses seem likely, this event was one a large number of events that demonstrate that Islamic influence and foreign Muslims should be minimized in the US.

    Not that there is even a tiny chance that they will be. Liberals have recognized Islam as a reliable ally in Liberalism’s own conflict with traditional US society.

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  91. @SFG
    Israel may be fond of violence against Palestinians in the territories, but I doubt they would shoot an American who pooped on a Torah scroll.

    Yeah, well, Israel shot up an American ship (U.S.S. LIBERTY), and killed a young American woman who was protesting the destruction of Palestinian homes (Rachel Corrie). . . .

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    One was a military objective. The other was lying in front of a bulldozer.

    I'm not saying the first is defensible (though I think Corrie knew what she was getting into), but my point is the IDF is not going to go after you because you randomly say bad things about Jews. You have to actually be getting in their way.
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  92. GW says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Dear Battle - I think that the 1965 immigration act was one of the worst things to ever happen to the United States, not necessarily because of its Muslim content but because it let into the country large and unassimilable numbers of third world immigrants who brought with them no skills whatsoever and no understanding of our democratic values. I would also point you to the large numbers of asylum cases that are let into this country every year by government fiat. That's why we have 20,000 Somalis in places like Minneapolis, some of whom have gone back home to fight for Shabaab.

    That is what this column should have been about because that is the whole reason people like Geller feel the need to protest the way they do. Without Muslims in historically Christian nations, there is no mosque to protest, Koran to burn, or cartoons to draw.

    You were on to something when you pointed out Geller’s double-stance regarding free-speech, but her reasoning for doing what she does isn’t hypocritical. She recognizes better than you that the West and Islam cannot coexist peacefully. Fundamentally it isn’t about free speech, it’s about which law and set of rules (Western or Sharia) is supreme in the United States.

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  93. SFG says:
    @Anonymous

    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.
     
    Yeah, at no time does being anti-neocon, anti-Israel-firster turn into support for the two most despicable, evil and anti-Christian nations on earth, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. I support that gutsy gal Geller, we can't allow this demonic religion, this new Black Death, into this country. And we need to eradicate it from this planet. Turkey and Saudia Arabia must be annihilated for starters.

    Are you being sarcastic? I wouldn’t go beyond barring nationals and maybe cutting off trade. The last thing we need is another Crusade. Let them do their own thing.

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  94. Sam Shama says:

    That people of various races and religions dislike each other is nothing new.

    That the USA is defined by a set of Judaeo Christian values: religion, civics, science, technology, work ethics and law are ineluctable truths.

    Whatever Pamela Geller may be accused of, she incisively recognises this basic tenet, one which Mr. Giraldi and his band of apologists are looking to dismantle risking their own freedom, and for the rest of us as well.

    The Moslem culture is antithetical to Western values, and greater numbers of Moslems in this country will only compound the problem.

    Our culture is the one that produced Shakespeare, Milton, Einstein, Liebnitz, Newton, Galswothy, Tolkien, Rachmaninof, Beethoven, Mozart, Rubens, Locke, Hobbes, Bernard Henri Levy, Turing, Watson, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg etc.,

    How does that mix with Muhhamed, Arafat, Nasrallah, Ahmedinejad and Erdogan?

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    How does that mix....? The same way it mixes Vasco Da Gama,Clive,King Loepold,Cortes,Drake,Hitler,Mussolini,Churchill,Balfour,Truman,Bush2,Cheny,Blair, and few more like the great preachers of hate on Fox and WSJ
    , @Druid
    Bernard Henri Levi..that idiot who so much caused the Libya disaster. Sam Shama, you're an idiot. Christianity also gave us Stalin, Hitler, the inquisition, etc. read a bit more about Muslims contribution to the sciences,philosophy, etc. we go and destroy a big part of the world as colonialists and greedy pigs, the we blame people for resisting and trying to survive in the hell we created for them. I am sick of people like you and the other neocon-haters.
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  95. @Clyde

    ...public should never give her a pass that legitimizes her message that all Muslims are homicidal maniacs intent on destroying the United States and, inevitably, Israel....
     
    Why not? It's true. The message is true. Especially the wacko Iranian Shiites with their twelfth imam end times scenario. Israeli nuclear weapons deter this.

    Iranian Shi’ites are not ‘wacko’. Serious adults don’t use such terms. If you don’t believe me, then I can quote both Meir Dagan of Shin Bet and Mossad and Gabi Gabi Ashkenazi, ex-IDF Chief, both of whom publicly stated that the Iranian regime is rational and not ‘wacko’.

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    The leader of Iran once stated that Iran was perfectly happy for the whole nation to be annihilated as long as it furthered the worldwide caliphate. Not only are the Shi'ite leadership irrational, but they are so irrational that Mutual Assured Destruction offers no hope of staving off their evil and irrational aims.
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  96. I wonder how supportive Gellar would be of a contest for the funniest cartoon about the holocaust? You can believe she would be up in arms against anybody’s free speech who even though about doing so. She is a phoney and part of the hasbara attempting to fool many Amerikans (which is not very difficult) into hate for Muslims. If we hate the Muslims than the Israelis must be our only friends. Unfortunately it is a easy task. Hate speech works when directed against those that don’t control the press and thus public opinion. We are doomed.

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    It doesn't matter what Geller would think about it. The point is she has as much right to go on about it as any other idiot with a US passport. That's why we have a First Amendment.
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  97. It isn’t about Pamela Geller. The question is whether it should be legal to draw pictures of Mohammed in the United States of America.

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  98. learned says:
    @Sam Shama
    That people of various races and religions dislike each other is nothing new.

    That the USA is defined by a set of Judaeo Christian values: religion, civics, science, technology, work ethics and law are ineluctable truths.

    Whatever Pamela Geller may be accused of, she incisively recognises this basic tenet, one which Mr. Giraldi and his band of apologists are looking to dismantle risking their own freedom, and for the rest of us as well.

    The Moslem culture is antithetical to Western values, and greater numbers of Moslems in this country will only compound the problem.

    Our culture is the one that produced Shakespeare, Milton, Einstein, Liebnitz, Newton, Galswothy, Tolkien, Rachmaninof, Beethoven, Mozart, Rubens, Locke, Hobbes, Bernard Henri Levy, Turing, Watson, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg etc.,

    How does that mix with Muhhamed, Arafat, Nasrallah, Ahmedinejad and Erdogan?

    How does that mix….? The same way it mixes Vasco Da Gama,Clive,King Loepold,Cortes,Drake,Hitler,Mussolini,Churchill,Balfour,Truman,Bush2,Cheny,Blair, and few more like the great preachers of hate on Fox and WSJ

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    name a few Moslem contributors in science, technology, music, literature, ethics, philosophy and mathematics who have significantly improved the lives of modern humans. Can you?
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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mohamed
    Hysterical? Hardly. What Giraldi said is this "If some group were staging a public event with a $10,000 prize for whoever could shit on a Torah scroll in the most creative fashion Geller would be unlikely to approve of such an exercise of First Amendment rights."

    You did not and could not dispute the above noted factual statement, and instead tried to smear the article by inventing non existent hysteria. You can always tell Israel firsters by their clumsy, bogus spin.

    Why not a a “Draw Blacks and Monkey’s” contest in Baltimore and the winner gets to burn down a convenience store. Don’t think they would call it free speech anymore.

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    Not that long ago ,using gossip ,Internet rumors and trolls ,sermons , and confession under torture West went to war . In Western countries violence have been codified,legalized,and enacted by the State system. It doesn't need a lone sleeper fanatic hateful man.
    Pamela Geller has the right today or write what she wants. But in the process ,she arouses emotion and gets paid.
    The falsifiers liars, the confessors and the preachers arouse emotions and also get paid and compensated .
    The rumors lead to innocent death sometime in millions.
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  100. learned says:
    @Aristippus
    Pamela Geller is an asshole, but she has a right to be an asshole. In the same vein, Alan Dershowitz protected the rights of Nazis in Skokie to be Nazis even though they were a bunch of assholes. The problem with what happened in Garland is not that the people there were using free speech, but that the offended party used guns instead of a counter protest.

    Pamella Geller has every right to say whatever she wants to say or draw. Its her right .

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  101. SFG says:
    @Orville H. Larson
    Yeah, well, Israel shot up an American ship (U.S.S. LIBERTY), and killed a young American woman who was protesting the destruction of Palestinian homes (Rachel Corrie). . . .

    One was a military objective. The other was lying in front of a bulldozer.

    I’m not saying the first is defensible (though I think Corrie knew what she was getting into), but my point is the IDF is not going to go after you because you randomly say bad things about Jews. You have to actually be getting in their way.

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    "but my point is the IDF is not going to go after you because you randomly say bad things about Jews. You have to actually be getting in their way."

    Oh I see - if a Gentile gets “in the way” of a Jew – then the Jew can kill him.

    Make no mistake - Rachel Corrie is a hero – this is NOT over.
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  102. SFG says:
    @Aaron Klein
    I wonder how supportive Gellar would be of a contest for the funniest cartoon about the holocaust? You can believe she would be up in arms against anybody's free speech who even though about doing so. She is a phoney and part of the hasbara attempting to fool many Amerikans (which is not very difficult) into hate for Muslims. If we hate the Muslims than the Israelis must be our only friends. Unfortunately it is a easy task. Hate speech works when directed against those that don't control the press and thus public opinion. We are doomed.

    It doesn’t matter what Geller would think about it. The point is she has as much right to go on about it as any other idiot with a US passport. That’s why we have a First Amendment.

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  103. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Macadam
    Thank God for decent Jewish people who see Geller's bigotry for what it is. History proves that every ethnic group has among it the intolerant and mad, which history also teaches it is important to recognize and call out, as too often these megalomaniacs have infected whole countries by sowing fear through their demagoguery, especially in times of financial insecurity.

    This problem is thoroughly human. The racists who seized control of a bankrupted Germany in the 1930s infamously claimed that Germans who were Jewish really were not German because they weren't civilized or fully human, even going so far as to term them vermin. The societal problems had been allowed to fester and grow to become insoluble by normal political means, so unscrupulous power seekers offered up phoney scapegoats to blame.

    But of course the Jews in Germany were German and as fully human as any of us. Thus it should be no surprise that some demagogues who happen to be Jewish have arisen and gained power based on the seemingly insoluble contradictions inherent in modern Israel, an anachronism in our modern age, a nation that still confers full citizenship on the basis of a single religion and supposed race. Obviously, this is an anomaly in our modern world - nations that practiced apartheid, as in late Afrikaaner South Africa became pariah states. The irony is not that a nuclear armed South Africa's last ally was Israel, but that a nation of people persecuted and subjected to racist genocide should adopt the very definitions of citizenship and deformed human rights of their persecutors as their own.

    Hannah Arendt, a leading philosopher of the 20th century who bequeathed to us a deeper understanding of the origins of totalitarianism, recognized that a persecuted people can be betrayed by their own leaders, who cooperate in their holocaust with oppressors. This is an old story, that conquest never occurs without betrayal and collaboration. Arendt, Jewish herself, became an outcast among unthinking Zionists for her truth-telling, which opposed the sort of bifurcations about good and evil of whole peoples that Geller propagates.

    The banality of evil is that very ordinary people with extraordinarily tone deaf consciences, such as Geller, can become through their moral blindness the very Eichmanns they supposedly oppose, and if unopposed, lead others down the same historically destructive paths. In an America where so many are in financial straits from which donorized politicians have no answers for us, Geller's scapegoating message that creates a distracting illusion of "enemies" to fight and destroy also powers the very profitable drive for wars, as it has in the past.

    One of your better posts.

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    I hate to disagree with you geokatt62 and also with Fran Macadam because I frequently respect your thoughtful comments.

    I think Fran's analysis is based on an incomplete and distorted historical account of WWI, the events of the intervening period, and of WWII (plus the decade or so afterward).

    Rather than type another of what I consider a more accurate history of "the whole offense", consider the situation more factually and less from the "philosophical" viewpoint:

    Fran wrote: "History proves that every ethnic group has among it the intolerant and mad, which history also teaches it is important to recognize and call out, as too often these megalomaniacs have infected whole countries by sowing fear through their demagoguery, especially in times of financial insecurity.
    This problem is thoroughly human.


    The racists who seized control of a bankrupted Germany in the 1930s infamously claimed that Germans who were Jewish really were not German because they weren’t civilized or fully human, even going so far as to term them vermin. The societal problems had been allowed to fester and grow to become insoluble by normal political means, so unscrupulous power seekers offered up phoney scapegoats to blame.
    But of course the Jews in Germany were German and as fully human as any of us."

    Germany's ambassador Hans Luther rejected the charge of bigotry. According to a report in the Jewish Telegraph, in comments in New York in May 1933, Luther said:


    Prejudice against the Jews, he said, was due to their tendency toward movements of a communistic nature, and to the fact that nearly fifty percent of the government officails have been Jews, although the total Jewish population was only one percent. He denied emphatically that there had been any “atrocities”.

    He asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War. . . .

    Dr. Luther described the misery of German students who had to wait for years after graduating in order to obtain positions in the professions. Even before the War, he said, the legal and medical professions in Berlin, Frankfurt and other large cities were almost monopolized by certain people whose activities the German people could not consider as German.

    After the War, came the influx of East European Jews, he declared. Because of Germany’s political prostration, there was no means of excluding undesirable immigrants such as other nations had. Before the War, he said, anti-Semitism in Germany had no political importance. Later, this inclination against the elements which had a leading role in Marxist stories contributed greatly to the embitterment of the people.

    Dr. Luther asked newspapermen present not to forget that of 1,700 Jewish lawyers in Berlin, 1,200 had been considered worthy of being readmitted to practice. The measures against the Jews, he asserted, were taken only that those Jews who are alien to the German nation, should not continue any longer in important judicial and administrative posts.

    He also praised the character of the Nazi revolution which he described as bloodless.
     

    No vermin.
    No "inhuman Jews."
    No name calling.

    Check Luther's facts and complaints: did they comport with reality, and were they legitimate grievances, given the state of Germany post-war, post-famine, post-revolution, and in the context of Versailles treaty obligations that nearly the entire world, including many of the people who drafted the Treaty, agreed were outrageously and dangerously inequitable.


    Also, consider how American would react to an "influx" of foreign nationals intent on subverting the American political order. How would the American people react? How would the American people demand that their government respond to shore up American Constitutional principles in the face of an attack by outsiders who sought to impose an alien system of government?

    Were Bolshevik Communists infiltrating Germany and attempting to subvert its political system?


    [Grigory Zinoviev] was a Bolshevik revolutionary and a Soviet Communist politician. He was one of the seven members of the first legendary Politburo, founded in 1917 in order to manage the Bolshevik Revolution. . .
    Zinoviev is best remembered as the longtime head of the Communist International and the architect of several failed attempts to transform Germany into a communist country during the early 1920s. He was in competition against Joseph Stalin who eliminated him from the Soviet political leadership. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev#
     
    Zinoviev's activities in Germany frequently involved street-riots and assassinations.

    How were the German people faring in the midst of political and economic turmoil?

    from "Lords of Finance: The Bankers who Broke the World," by Liaquat Ahamed:


    "On Nov. 5 [1923] the price of a two-kilo loaf of bread had soared from 20 billion marks to 140 billion, sparking off nationwide riots. In Berlin, thousands of men and women had paraded the streets, shouting "Bread and work!" Over a thousand shops -- bakeries, butchers, and even clothing stores--had been looted. . . . cars were held up and their occupants robbed. In the heavily Jewish areas . . .anyone who was known to be Jewish, or "looked Jewish" had been attacked by gangs of young hoodlums. The worst violence was directed at Galician Jews, [Galicia: region in Eastern Europe that straddles Poland and Ukraine] many of whom had their distinctive beards scissored off or their clothes ripped away. The Borse, the stock exchange, had come under siege by a mob shouting, "Kill the Borse Jews."

    By the end of the evening on Nov 8, the streets were at last quiet, the mobs dispersed at bayonet point by military police. Heavily armed Prussian state police in green uniforms now patrolled the city. . . .the weather turned extremely cold. That night it began to rain, making life even more difficult for those innumerable Berliners forced to queue up outside the municipal food kitchens and public feeding stations spread across the city. . . .

    Despite the riots and the rain, the infamously louche and tawdry nightlife of Berlin--that "new Babylon of the world" -- continued unabated. ...along the Kurfurstendamm, the bars and dance halls were, as always, full. As on every night, hordes of prostitutes of both sexes--there were said to be a hundred thousand of them in Berlin alone--paraded outside . . . "A kind of madness" had taken hold of the city, unhinging the whole society. Fortunes were made overnight and as quickly lost or dissipated. Those with money, desperate to get rid of it before it became worthless, indulged in giddy frenzies of spending, while those without sold what few possessions remained to them, including their bodies, in the struggle to survive. A quarter of the city's schoolchildren suffered from malnutrition.

    Berlin had never been an elegant city. . . .But it had rightly prided itself on being the cleanest and most modern metropolis in Europe. Now it was shabby and going to seed, faded and run down like a "stone-grey corpse," infested by "beggars, whores, invalids and fat-necked speculators," its streets crowded by "legless war veterans riding the sidewalks on rolling planks" and by stunted, bowlegged children bent out of shape by rickets."
     

    One major point to absorb is that anger toward Jews in Germany was from the bottom-up and not top-down. As will be noted later, once the NSDAP gained power, they quelled unrest especially toward Jews.

    Another detail to make note of is the malnourished condition of German children.

    Far too few histories of WWI and of Germany spend an adequate amount of time on the implications and consequences of the fact that 800,000 German civilians were starved to death as a result of the blockade of Germany that included previously-proscribed foodstuffs in World War I. It is estimated that between 35,000 and 50,000 of those deaths occurred as a consequence of the extension of the blockade for almost a year after Germany's surrender, which was done in order to coerce Germany to sign Versailles treaty.

    Based on the cavalier treatment of those 800,000 deaths in Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement," coupled with the fact that Jewish aid societies were active in Poland and Germany to ensure that Jews in those states had access to either direct food aid or the black market, it is reasonable to suppose that very few if any Jewish people were among the dead or among the rickets-afflicted children that crowded German orphanages in the post-war period.

    Try to think how you would react if your niece or grandchild starved to death, or if your daughter's newborn lived but suffered for the rest of his life because of nutritional deficiencies during his gestation and early days -- a child forever physically and neurologically damaged.

    Precisely those situations occurred throughout Germany in the post-war period. When Jewish leaders -- Samuel Untermyer, Stephen Wise, Louis Brandeis among others -- sought to implement Brandeis's directive of Feb. 14, 1933 that "all Jews must leave Germany," one of the tactics used was the imposition of a boycott of German exports "upon which Germany's existence depended" -- it was a deliberate existential threat to Germany.

    Moreover, as Black explains, the tactic of boycott was employed precisely because the Jewish leaders who planned it were well aware that a boycott would summon up from present memory the dread and horror experienced in the WWI famine.

    ----

    Was Hans Luther lying through his teeth when he claimed that no atrocities occurred in Germany, or were the propagandists working overtime to demonize Germany and recycling WWI atrocity propaganda to do so?

    Here's how Richard Breitman and Allen Lichtman help us to discover the reality of the situation:


    "[B]efore the war Nazi oppression of German Jews followed a jagged trajectory. Some Nazi activists physically assaulted Jews in the early exuberant days of Hitler's semi legal revolution. Once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence but enacted a series of discriminatory laws and decrees . . .against Jews. Only in late 1938 . . .for the first time, the Gestapo imprisoned tens of thousands of German Jews in concentration camps that also held other alleged enemies of Hitler's new Reich." http://www.amazon.com/FDR-Jews-Richard-Breitman/dp/0674416740/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431559925&sr=8-1&keywords=fdr+and+the+jews
     
    Thus, between Hitler's accession to power in Jan. 1933 and mid-November 1938, Jews were neither the target of physical violence nor detained in camps.

    Nevertheless, as Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded in his autobiography, by Feb. 14, 1933 Louis Brandeis had directed that "all Jews must leave Germany." Wise was tasked with removing "587,000 German Jews" from Germany, preferably to Palestine.

    The import of Brandeis's directive cannot be overstated.

    As Wise also notes in his autobiography, most Jews did not wish to leave Germany. Wise refused to honor the numerous requests he received from German Jews to call off the anti-German agitation being carried out by Jewish leaders in US, Britain and Poland. At one such anti-German rally in Philadelphia, only three German Jews were part of the crowd.

    One of the tactics used to whip up stress in Germany was the boycott, first announced in a British newspaper report on March 24, 1933, Judea Declare[d] War On Germany; Jews of All the World Unite In Action [to]Boycott German Goods." The goal was to destroy Germany's export trade, which "Germany depended upon for its existence."

    Without export trade, Germany could not acquire the currency necessary to pay Poland the transit fees that Poland demanded to ship coal across now-Polish East Prussia and into Germany. Coal was essential to German industry as well as to heat German homes.

    Edwin Black explains in "The Transfer Agreement" that the Jewish leaders who organized the boycott were perfectly well aware of the gut-wrenching fear that a boycott would provoke in Germans who had a present memory of mass starvation in WWI.

    Given these few facts and circumstances, Fran Macadam, I don't ascribe the actions of Germany's leaders to "megalomania" or "demagoguery" or "racism." German leaders reacted to dire circumstances in as measured and "bloodless" a way as could be accomplished to achieve goals essential for the wellbeing of the German people -- to whom they were responsible. Between 1933 and late 1938 they were successful, both in protecting the Jewish people and in re-establishing order and civility among the German people.

    As Eric Margolis pointed out in a recent article, Stalin killed far more people than Adolf Hitler, including 6 million Ukrainians liquidated in the early 1930’s. While Stalin was starving 6 million Ukrainians and Jewish leaders were boycotting Germany, invoking the specter of starvation among Germans, Germans were "curbing personal violence against Jews."

    In the logic that has come to characterize American foreign policy, Germany was made the enemy and Stalin the ally.

    The absurdity of evil.

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  104. SFG says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Israeli soldiers may not shoot you, but I wouldn't try that in an Orthodox or settler neighborhood.

    Agreed, but they probably wouldn’t send assassins after you if you tried it on TV.

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  105. SFG says:
    @annamaria
    We the people are saying that Geller is a crazy islamophobe. Incidentally, Pamela Geller was an inspiration for the Norwegian mass murderer Breivik. She is a persona non grata in Norway but the Jewish Community of the US is happy with her membership. You are trying to pretend that Zionism and Judaism are the same. They are not.
    By the way, neither Judaism, nor Islam, nor Christianity have been peaceful. The "most moral" IDF and the racist slogans by the Israeli legislators to kill the "little snakes" (Palestinian babies) are not particularly palatable. As for the militant Islam, would you dare to learn about the role of Zionists in the ongoing catastrophic crisis in the Middle East?
    It would be great to have a tightly controlled emigration, but it would be even greater to stop bombing cities and villages in the Middle East and killing the multitude of the innocent civilians of all ages. The vengeful masses of the victims' relatives are the result of the wars waged by the obnoxious hegemonists, oilmen, and war-profeetires.

    Actually, the SPLC’s actually listed her as a hate person.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/pamela-geller

    The American Jewish community is not fond of her.

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  106. KA says:

    “And she has finally succeeded. While the only violence Geller had to deal with in the past was the state coercion employed by city-run transportation authorities, who refused to run her ads – an obstacle overcome by court rulings in her favor – and routine acts of vandalism, now she can claim the “honor” of having been attacked by alleged terrorists.”

    “The venue was a community center in Garland, Texas, where her group sponsored a “Let’s Draw Mohammed Contest,” in which the winner would be awarded a fat check for $10,000 – yes, these people have money! The keynote speaker at this “free speech” event was Geert Wilders, the bleached-blonde hero of the European anti-Islamic movement and a member of the Dutch parliament, who wants to ban the Koran, deport all Muslims, and prevent any from entering his lily-white Dutch paradise. At a rally of his “Freedom” party, the Dutch Fuehrer declaimed: “Do you want more or fewer Moroccans in this city and in the Netherlands?” He got the response he was looking for: “Fewer! Fewer! Fewer!” “We’ll take care of that,” the bottle-blonde bigot replied.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/05/05/merchants-of-hate/

    Court refused the Muslim group to exhibit an ad that was meant to answer Pamela Geller !

    Also the same donors who have been underwriting the various antimuslim projects including scripting and making of antimuslim films like obsession ,jihad ,and including selective campaign donations to certain GOP candidates are funding this crusader lady. Various think tanks ,media hosts and at least one of the members of these think tanks rose to preach peace as an envoy are also involved providing support and directions to these hate mongers . Obsession video reached the US homes on the back of the major newspaper free !!!

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  107. KA says:

    The slippery slope analogy is relevant again . Israel for years provided the push for Iraq war . Once the war got underway it assumed the public posturing of backing off. Same was the case on Syria until Obama clawed back up from that slippery slope when Israel started spewing venom against him for the reversal. Same would have been the fate of Iran war.
    Anti Muslim hatred has same way built into European,Canadian,and American veins by the Israeli politicians and the rabbi first in Israel later in US through the ever obliging media . Now the regular Dutch ,Canadian and Americans have stepped up to the plate serving the same rotten feed to the intellectually dishonest secular and uninformed religious citizen .

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  108. Avery says:

    [Bangladesh blogger Ananta Bijoy Das hacked to death]

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32701001

    {“A secular blogger has been hacked to death in north-eastern Bangladesh in the country’s third such deadly attack since the start of the year.”}

    No need to draw insulting cartoons, apparently.
    Just be a secular blogger in an Islamist country, and you will be hacked to death.

    Coming next to formerly Christian America.

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  109. KA says:
    @Anonymous
    Why not a a "Draw Blacks and Monkey's" contest in Baltimore and the winner gets to burn down a convenience store. Don't think they would call it free speech anymore.

    Not that long ago ,using gossip ,Internet rumors and trolls ,sermons , and confession under torture West went to war . In Western countries violence have been codified,legalized,and enacted by the State system. It doesn’t need a lone sleeper fanatic hateful man.
    Pamela Geller has the right today or write what she wants. But in the process ,she arouses emotion and gets paid.
    The falsifiers liars, the confessors and the preachers arouse emotions and also get paid and compensated .
    The rumors lead to innocent death sometime in millions.

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  110. MarkinLA says:

    Muslim’s will turn out to be vermin when it is too late because they will have a critical mass. That doesn’t change the fact that Geller is a also vermin.

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  111. All Giraldi’s proven here is that he hates Israel and the people of Israel, more than he loves freedom of speech.

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  112. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Jews work with homos to gay-ize Christian churches. They seek to fly the homo ‘rainbow’ banner in every church. They want people to believe that God blesses ‘gay marriage’.

    So far, Jews and homos have argued for ‘gay marriage’ along secular and legal lines. But if all christian churches sign onto ‘gay marriage’ and come around to believing that god blesses ‘homo marriage’, will Jews and homos push the ‘gay’ agenda on grounds that it is divinely ordained and if you oppose ‘gay marriage’, you’re committing a crime against god?

    Jews and homos are allies. Jews want to subvert & destroy Christianity, and narcissistic homos wanna take over churches and wanna play at being angels to be worshiped by the rest of us.

    All this secular/rational/legal stuff is all bullshit. Jews want us to worship them and the holocaust. And homos want us to worship them as fashion designer narcissist deities of the universe. Jews and homos may decry blasphemy laws but they are all in support of blASSphemy laws than bans any desecration of Jewish and homo holiness.

    If Jews are really for equality, why do they insist on a ‘special relationship’ between America and Israel? Jews bitch about how wasps used to favor Anglo-Americans over all other Americans, but both neocon Jews and Liberal Jews like Bernie Sanders are all in support of ‘special relations’ with Israel.

    And they talk about ‘free speech’, but they support punishment of any anti-Jewish speech in Europe and Canada.

    It’s not about equality or rule of law. It’s about rule of Jews and homos to do as they please.

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  113. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @learned
    How does that mix....? The same way it mixes Vasco Da Gama,Clive,King Loepold,Cortes,Drake,Hitler,Mussolini,Churchill,Balfour,Truman,Bush2,Cheny,Blair, and few more like the great preachers of hate on Fox and WSJ

    name a few Moslem contributors in science, technology, music, literature, ethics, philosophy and mathematics who have significantly improved the lives of modern humans. Can you?

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    Those figures including Bernatrd Levy destroyed the societies that could have nurtured and allowed the full potential of the human capital. No one had time or means to spare to any of the cultural or scientific activities . They were rendered practically slave and destitutes left with the limited resources that could only be spent on how to survive the relentless onslaught and destruction wrought by from Clive( India)'Gordon( Sudan) ,Balfour( ME) Churchil ( Syria and Iraq) ,Brezhenski ( Afghanistan) to Bush -Cheney .
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  114. Boldwin says:

    Paul Revere in amid a culture of willfully blind and self-righteous ostriches.

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  115. @J.Ross
    I've been a post-Zionist for as long as I've been politically conscious, directly reacting to creepy, pushy, dishonest Chosen double standards. I am very familiar with Jewish "tolerance:" blacklisting, boycott, hate campaigns, false accusations; a crowd of screaming morons disgusted with your purported intent to murder "tiny orphans in the snow."
    With that being said, I have to side conditionally with insane Gellar and with Zionist conservative gatekeeper David Cole, who describes excommunication and shunning but no bombs or ambushes following his exposure of Holocaustianity. I will always side with unpleasant patrons who presume to aggressively control discourse (indeed, I have no choice) when the alternative is a person who cannot handle the possibility that someone might be thinking bad thoughts without becoming physically violent.
    It is true that terrorism is fake in the sense that it is a lot of government manipulation of vulnerable people to make government agents look and feel good, but it is also true that terrorism is real in the sense of being completely abhorrent violence against innocent people.
    And it has to be said that no nonwhite people have any intuitive grasp of freedom of speech (historically Asians have almost always had powerful, well-ordered governing entities, even in periods of what they considered to be chaos, in which freedom of speech would be counterproductive. Whites have freedom of speech as an accidental function of not being able to put together an Asian's idea of a government), but worse, and especially in the case of "moderate" Muslims, they feel eliminationist hatred toward freedom of speech and are pretty open about it. Keith Ellison is neither stupid nor a terrorist.
    Tldr -- Crazy Gellar beats violent illiterates any day, doesn't make her right about anything else.

    Either you’re a lying shill or hopelessly uninformed (yet still wrote 300 words) as Cole has described being physically attacked and threatened so he had to change his name and live in hiding. Israel was founded by terrorists and the Jewish terrorism continued long after it was recognized as a “State.” This is common knowledge for anyone paying the slightest attention.

    The real problem is both Jews and Muslims are supremacists. Jews think themselves “Chosen” and that all other tribes are essentially sub-humans to whom different rules apply. Muslims explicitly demand converts at least and the “sub-humans” may become Muslim rather than paying the jizya or being murdered.

    The one good thing about Christians is they leave the punishment to their God. They still feel compelled to try and convert non-Christians, but you don’t see marauding packs of anabaptists beheading or exploding Jews, Muslims, or Papists anyway.

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    You wrote:
    "Jews think themselves “Chosen” and that all other tribes are essentially sub-humans to whom different rules apply."

    IMHO, it does not matter what they _think_.
    I am pretty sure that Gypsies also think and behave in a way
    as if _they_ , Gypsies, are “Chosen”
    and that "all other tribes" are the ones "to whom different rules apply."
    Important thing is power; mostly money power.

    Disclaimer.
    The said above does not constitute my approval or disapproval of any particular tribe mentioned.
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  116. Boldwin says:
    @Niccolo Salo
    Iranian Shi'ites are not 'wacko'. Serious adults don't use such terms. If you don't believe me, then I can quote both Meir Dagan of Shin Bet and Mossad and Gabi Gabi Ashkenazi, ex-IDF Chief, both of whom publicly stated that the Iranian regime is rational and not 'wacko'.

    The leader of Iran once stated that Iran was perfectly happy for the whole nation to be annihilated as long as it furthered the worldwide caliphate. Not only are the Shi’ite leadership irrational, but they are so irrational that Mutual Assured Destruction offers no hope of staving off their evil and irrational aims.

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    you're a very dumb person
    , @Niccolo Salo
    I'll take the views of Ashkenazi and Dagan over that of "Boldwin" re: the rationality of the Iranian leadership.

    Thanks anyway.
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  117. Druid says:
    @annamaria
    Nice that you have hopes that the handlers of Bush&Cheney regime would have some difficulties in justifying the illegal Iraq war.
    Perhaps the problem is not the Middle East masses, but their rulers. For example, take a look at the Saudi princes with whom Prez Bush had sweet, wet kisses to show his affection for the wealthy and powerful. The Saudis financed 14 high-jackers. This fact had no influence on the Patriot-Accomplisher-Decider. And was not it the Iran's development towards democracy that led to the US support for Shah (absolutism) in Iran? Shah was handler for oilmen.
    The honest US brass was bland about the Middle East adventures cheered by oilmen and war profiteers and Zionists: the wars have been creating khaos and they led to generating a huge pool of poorly educated and militant fighters against the plunder and destruction of their native lands. What would your sons do if your town was bombed, your place of warship defaced, and your natural resources appropriated by some technologically superior state?

    Your points are all on the money!

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  118. @Philip Giraldi
    Dear Battle - I think that the 1965 immigration act was one of the worst things to ever happen to the United States, not necessarily because of its Muslim content but because it let into the country large and unassimilable numbers of third world immigrants who brought with them no skills whatsoever and no understanding of our democratic values. I would also point you to the large numbers of asylum cases that are let into this country every year by government fiat. That's why we have 20,000 Somalis in places like Minneapolis, some of whom have gone back home to fight for Shabaab.

    Well now, in all fairness, I can kind of see their point. I mean it really is quite good. A good shish kebab just may be worth fighting for …

    Er, wait …

    Nevermind. Thought you meant the meat on a stick stuff. What the hell is a “shebob”? Is that a transgender Arab? Isn’t it obvious the reason our Marxist/leftists love the Muslims is the whole Men in Dresses thing? They’re just enthralled by a whole religion of Men in Dresses and the rumor (true!) they wipe with bare (left) hands has the Marxist/Left positively smelling arousal in the air. In fact, the Papists too could completely reverse their fortunes with the Left if they’d just (1) share the altar boys, (2) make all the men wear dresses like the clergy, and (3) employ just one minor change to that “eat the flesh” ritual..

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  119. Druid says:
    @Sam Shama
    That people of various races and religions dislike each other is nothing new.

    That the USA is defined by a set of Judaeo Christian values: religion, civics, science, technology, work ethics and law are ineluctable truths.

    Whatever Pamela Geller may be accused of, she incisively recognises this basic tenet, one which Mr. Giraldi and his band of apologists are looking to dismantle risking their own freedom, and for the rest of us as well.

    The Moslem culture is antithetical to Western values, and greater numbers of Moslems in this country will only compound the problem.

    Our culture is the one that produced Shakespeare, Milton, Einstein, Liebnitz, Newton, Galswothy, Tolkien, Rachmaninof, Beethoven, Mozart, Rubens, Locke, Hobbes, Bernard Henri Levy, Turing, Watson, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg etc.,

    How does that mix with Muhhamed, Arafat, Nasrallah, Ahmedinejad and Erdogan?

    Bernard Henri Levi..that idiot who so much caused the Libya disaster. Sam Shama, you’re an idiot. Christianity also gave us Stalin, Hitler, the inquisition, etc. read a bit more about Muslims contribution to the sciences,philosophy, etc. we go and destroy a big part of the world as colonialists and greedy pigs, the we blame people for resisting and trying to survive in the hell we created for them. I am sick of people like you and the other neocon-haters.

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  120. joe webb says:

    “… as long is someone is not using that right explicitly to call for violence against someone else he or she should be free to say anything….”

    I like it. Let’s lock up the neocons and their shabbas goyim who want to kill the A-rabs for Eretz Israel. No Free Speech for Jews!

    Joe Webb

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  121. @Don Nash
    Hi biggusdon:
    I think you are mistaken. Giraldi despises 'zionists' and I share his aversion.

    Giraldi despises ‘zionists’ and I share his aversion.

    That’s like saying you have warm feelings about Americans but you despise the United States of America as a concept.

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    Giraldi despises ‘zionists’ and I share his aversion.
     

    That’s like saying you have warm feelings about Americans but you despise the United States of America as a concept.
     
    Hardly. I have warm feelings for America, but have grown to have contempt for its government.

    You seem to insist that all Jews are Zionists. I do wish all Zionists would just move to Israel and quit mucking about in other peoples' nations. Zionists in America and Europe are in fact foreign agents who ought to be registered and/or expelled. If American or European by birth they're seditionists or traitors just as Communists are/were. We have for far too long welcomed enemies into our midst.
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  122. matt says:
    @Boldwin
    The leader of Iran once stated that Iran was perfectly happy for the whole nation to be annihilated as long as it furthered the worldwide caliphate. Not only are the Shi'ite leadership irrational, but they are so irrational that Mutual Assured Destruction offers no hope of staving off their evil and irrational aims.

    you’re a very dumb person

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  123. Art says:
    @SFG
    One was a military objective. The other was lying in front of a bulldozer.

    I'm not saying the first is defensible (though I think Corrie knew what she was getting into), but my point is the IDF is not going to go after you because you randomly say bad things about Jews. You have to actually be getting in their way.

    “but my point is the IDF is not going to go after you because you randomly say bad things about Jews. You have to actually be getting in their way.”

    Oh I see – if a Gentile gets “in the way” of a Jew – then the Jew can kill him.

    Make no mistake – Rachel Corrie is a hero – this is NOT over.

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    She lay down in front of a bulldozer. You try that enough times, eventually you are going to get killed.

    I don't actually agree with Israel's policies against the Palestinians, but she deliberately chose a very risky form of protest and knew well the risks.
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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yevardian
    Islam and Judaism are two different sides of the same supremacist coin. At least Muslims take converts and are (generally) open about what they believe.

    Judaism doesn’t subject individuals to convert or die… in fact, I’ve yet to ever encounter a Jew trying to convert anyone.

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    History is a little more nuanced than what you are saying. Judaism have converted by force during Hashmonean dynasty and also prior to that converted the Idiumites by force.
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  125. KA says:
    @Anonymous
    name a few Moslem contributors in science, technology, music, literature, ethics, philosophy and mathematics who have significantly improved the lives of modern humans. Can you?

    Those figures including Bernatrd Levy destroyed the societies that could have nurtured and allowed the full potential of the human capital. No one had time or means to spare to any of the cultural or scientific activities . They were rendered practically slave and destitutes left with the limited resources that could only be spent on how to survive the relentless onslaught and destruction wrought by from Clive( India)’Gordon( Sudan) ,Balfour( ME) Churchil ( Syria and Iraq) ,Brezhenski ( Afghanistan) to Bush -Cheney .

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  126. KA says:
    @Anonymous
    Judaism doesn't subject individuals to convert or die... in fact, I've yet to ever encounter a Jew trying to convert anyone.

    History is a little more nuanced than what you are saying. Judaism have converted by force during Hashmonean dynasty and also prior to that converted the Idiumites by force.

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  127. Mohamed says:
    @Thomas O. Meehan
    Pamela Geller's free speech rights are not seriously imperiled. She is free to hate Islam and Muslims all she wants.

    But her feelings and beliefs are not the issue. What all the rest of us need to understand is that her actions are a deliberate incitement of muslims. Why? Could it be that she and others like her see conflict between Muslims and Christian Americans as a benefit of her own tribe and to Israel? She is playing the age old game of "lets you and him fight." Being manipulated by one foreign tribe against another is becoming a national disgrace.

    I have to agree with a commenter above about the immigration law of 1965. I would go one step further. Given that so many American Jews have failed to assimilate into patriotic Americans, who place the good of their adopted country first, it is our shame that we welcomed so many here. It is astounding that they can so openly proclaim their ethnic allegiance as their primary concern to the rest of us without any sense of shame. Perhaps the bigger shame is that we tolerate it.

    “Being manipulated by one foreign tribe against another is becoming a national disgrace.”

    Thanks Mr. Meehan. I couldn’t put it better.

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  128. @Boldwin
    The leader of Iran once stated that Iran was perfectly happy for the whole nation to be annihilated as long as it furthered the worldwide caliphate. Not only are the Shi'ite leadership irrational, but they are so irrational that Mutual Assured Destruction offers no hope of staving off their evil and irrational aims.

    I’ll take the views of Ashkenazi and Dagan over that of “Boldwin” re: the rationality of the Iranian leadership.

    Thanks anyway.

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  129. @International Jew

    Giraldi despises ‘zionists’ and I share his aversion.
     
    That's like saying you have warm feelings about Americans but you despise the United States of America as a concept.

    Giraldi despises ‘zionists’ and I share his aversion.

    That’s like saying you have warm feelings about Americans but you despise the United States of America as a concept.

    Hardly. I have warm feelings for America, but have grown to have contempt for its government.

    You seem to insist that all Jews are Zionists. I do wish all Zionists would just move to Israel and quit mucking about in other peoples’ nations. Zionists in America and Europe are in fact foreign agents who ought to be registered and/or expelled. If American or European by birth they’re seditionists or traitors just as Communists are/were. We have for far too long welcomed enemies into our midst.

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  130. @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just to be clear on a few points

    (1) The CODOH forum is moderated by "Hannover"

    http://codoh.com/media/files/documents/newsite/sr/online/sr_138.pdf

    see page 10

    (2) As the Moderator, "Hannover" selectively allows posts by people who disagree with him such that he "wins" every debate:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/codoh-forum-that-moderated-itself-to.html

    (3) Anyone can go to CODOH and see the posts of the Moderator and Hannover and compare them to the posts of "BobbyBeGood."

    See, e.g., misspelling of "its":

    Moderator: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5821&p=39496#p39499
    Hannover: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5230

    Look through Bobby's posts here. Same error. Comma splices too. Not to mention the subject matter.

    (4) Based on (1), (2), and (3), I've asked Bobby to debate in a forum he doesn't control. He will not, which seems telling.

    The codoh forum is one nasty operation:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/06/people-too-stupid-to-understand-theyre-stupid/

    And screwed up pretty significantly ^

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    Seen this?

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/251521_Largest_Holocaust_denial_forum
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  131. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:
    @Stan D Mute
    Either you're a lying shill or hopelessly uninformed (yet still wrote 300 words) as Cole has described being physically attacked and threatened so he had to change his name and live in hiding. Israel was founded by terrorists and the Jewish terrorism continued long after it was recognized as a "State." This is common knowledge for anyone paying the slightest attention.

    The real problem is both Jews and Muslims are supremacists. Jews think themselves "Chosen" and that all other tribes are essentially sub-humans to whom different rules apply. Muslims explicitly demand converts at least and the "sub-humans" may become Muslim rather than paying the jizya or being murdered.

    The one good thing about Christians is they leave the punishment to their God. They still feel compelled to try and convert non-Christians, but you don't see marauding packs of anabaptists beheading or exploding Jews, Muslims, or Papists anyway.

    You wrote:
    “Jews think themselves “Chosen” and that all other tribes are essentially sub-humans to whom different rules apply.”

    IMHO, it does not matter what they _think_.
    I am pretty sure that Gypsies also think and behave in a way
    as if _they_ , Gypsies, are “Chosen”
    and that “all other tribes” are the ones “to whom different rules apply.”
    Important thing is power; mostly money power.

    Disclaimer.
    The said above does not constitute my approval or disapproval of any particular tribe mentioned.

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  132. SumDood says:

    So, Annamarina & Chris Mallory…

    How many civilized westerners has Israel killed? Besides that useful idiot who got herself bulldozed, I mean.

    How many journalists has Israel murdered?

    How many anti-semites has Israel murdered?

    Give us some numbers to back up your claims, people. Or stop making them.

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    How many civilized westerners has Israel killed? Besides that useful idiot who got herself bulldozed, I mean.
    How many journalists has Israel murdered?
    How many anti-semites has Israel murdered?
    Give us some numbers to back up your claims, people. Or stop making them.
     
    Ken Harl has recorded some lectures on Ancient Middle East history for the Teaching Company.
    In one lecture, on an ancient Assyrian leader whose name I've forgotten, Harl explains how he manipulated two foreign armies to fight each other, thereby eliminating an enemy of the Assyrian leader. "The smart leader lets someone else do his killing," Harl quipped.

    What do these two book titles suggest to you ---

    The Jew Who Defeated Hitler: Henry Morgenthau Jr., FDR, and How We Won the War by Peter Moreira

    and

    How the Jews Defeated Hitler: Exploding the Myth of Jewish Passivity in the Face of Nazism by Benjamin Ginsberg

    Bounce these two titles against the thesis of Eric Margolis's essay: Stalin's Soviet Union Defeated Germany --- We Should Not Forget.

    Moreira researched Henry Morgenthau's million pages of diaries and notes and Ginsberg retrod well-worn paths and reported that Jewish financiers; Jewish members of FDR's Cabinet and administration; Jewish activists in USA and Britain; Jewish advisors and influence shapers; Jewish Hollywood studio directors; Jewish public relations experts; Jewish military leaders and fighters were at the vanguard of those who induced USA and Britain to wage war on Germany, and who urged that USA send money and war materials to Britain and, especially, Russia, to destroy Germany.

    It's hard to attach a number to "civilized westerners murdered" in service of the Israel project, but it would have to include all those millions of Russians who were killed while killing all those German soldiers; and all those US and British pilots killed while firebombing all those German civilians. Shall we also include all those German women raped by all those Russian soldiers?

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  133. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s obvious she was trying to be provocative. It’s also clear that a couple Muslims acted true-to-form and came out with some guns. It’s argued that they reacted out of the unbearable stress caused by having their religion blasphemed. However, what causes this ‘unbearable stress’ is not set in stone. Today it’s blasphemy, tomorrow it’ll be selling ham sandwiches and non-halal meat in public cafeterias and women wearing what they deem immodest clothing in public. We can look forward to having no-go areas in America as soon as their numbers increase and they can exert their will. They’ll ratchet up their blackmail and terrorize everyone else into conforming to their values, their way of life and that’ll happen as soon as they gain critical mass. It’s a pattern repeated endlessly. Just because the Zionist group surrounding Netanyahu are deplorable people it still doesn’t make Islam a good thing. Islam doesn’t fit into the modern world. If Muslims want to enter the 21st century they must jettison Islam and become secular. There’s no other way.

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  134. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/11/how-liberals-have-ruined-college.html

    Looks like some Libs are suddenly turning against PC because the ‘left’ is beginning to go after Zionism and Jewish-white privilege. Of course, they won’t say that’s the reason.

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  135. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Avery
    Islamophile, Turkophile Mr. GIRALDI shilling for his Denialist Radical Islamist Turk buddies again.
    I personally think it is bad form to insult one’s religion.
    Any religion.
    But Ms. Geller ought to be supported by every red-white-and-blue American.
    Jesus Christ has been insulted and denigrated to no end.
    But no Christian has murdered anyone because Christ was depicted in urine.

    IslamoFascists coming to our country and telling us what to do ?
    And former CIA/DIA officer Mr. Giraldi backing IslamoFascists vs Americans ?
    Sorry Mr. Giraldi: your years of living in (Islamist) Turkey has warped you mind.

    We don’t want Sharia Law in these United States of America.
    You want to infect US with the religion of your Turk buddies ?
    Sorry friend: we are going to object.

    I noticed you did not comment on her one sided support for free speech. If the speech is targedt against Israel, she is against it. What you leave out is indicative of your willingness to distort the truth.

    Pam Gellar and her supporter have pushed for ANTI-Speech laws successfully in many country’s attempting to stop any criticism of Israel. She is no supporter of free speech. She just supports attacking Islam and Muslims. try attacking Israel or Jews and see how far she supports you. In fact, I would recommend going to Canada first before attempting this endeavor.

    Once you do and are prosecuted, you can tell us how well Canadian legal system treated you.

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    I noticed you did not comment on the 3 secular Bangladesh bloggers hacked to death by radical Islamists.
    {“A secular blogger has been hacked to death in north-eastern Bangladesh in the country’s third such deadly attack since the start of the year.”}

    As to Geller, Israel-firsters, Israel-defenders, etc:

    I have no sympathy for her as a person. And she is definitely pushing the envelope.
    And I have absolutely no issue with Muslim-American groups (e.g. CAIR) suing her a__ off, or organizing (peaceful) mass protests outside the venue.
    But you seem a little confused: you are comparing people who use the system – for better or worse – to push their agenda, with those who decide that they have the God given right to murder me if I say something that supposedly offends them.

    Read what [anonymous] wrote above (anonymous says: May 13, 2015 at 2:51 pm GMT )

    {“tomorrow it’ll be selling ham sandwiches and non-halal meat in public cafeterias and women wearing what they deem immodest clothing in public.”}

    It is already happening in many European cities.
    Take a moment and appreciate what that means.

    Christians are insulted routinely in this country.
    And in Europe.
    And yes, I have seen the Seinfeld episode where some guy urinates on the picture of Jesus.
    And I also know that the infamous cartoons of Charlie Hebdo in France depicting Mohammad, are nothing compared what they depicted about Christians.
    But the ones who massacred them were not Christians, were they ?
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  136. The intersting thing about Geller is that she is part of a larger effort by neocons to infiltrate and subvert the “far right” in America and nationalism in Europe using the same play book that the original neocons used to infiltrate and subvert the conservative movement.

    We have a number of neocon run websites that have popped up in the last few years that mix articles about black crime and illegal immigration with Israel firstism, hysteria about Iran and hate for Russia.

    The Washington Free Beacon and American Thinker are the main ones…then there are a bunch of smaller sock puppet sites and blogs that seem to only exist to reprint articles from them.

    The effort seems to have started in Europe with the “counter jihad” movement, an internet based astroturf effort funded by American neocons. CJ is desinged to provide an alternative to political parties that are anti-globalist and based on ethnic-nationalism. CJ types act as if they are the first people to notice that Muslims are problematic when in fact, Europe has a huge nationalist movement that has been on top of the Muslim issue for decades.

    The Gatestone Institute, run by super well connected neocons seems to be the nexus of all of this. Clearly, there is a very organized campaign at work here. We can only guess at this point how this campaign got started and how its leaders intend to use it in the future.

    As with the original neocon movement, this pseudo-nationalism is lavishly funded, centrally coordinated and deploys numerous redundant publications to amplify its message.

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    Yes, attention must be paid to these propaganda efforts. The neocons corrupted the conservative movement, and they now well along in this new effort to co-opt efforts by Americans and Europeans to resist Islamization. This is a very dangerous business. We cannot preserve our traditional way of life if those who lead us don't share it. Ginning up hatred of for Muslims and Arabs is not the same thing as preserving a Christian West.
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  137. @SumDood
    So, Annamarina & Chris Mallory...

    How many civilized westerners has Israel killed? Besides that useful idiot who got herself bulldozed, I mean.

    How many journalists has Israel murdered?

    How many anti-semites has Israel murdered?

    Give us some numbers to back up your claims, people. Or stop making them.

    How many civilized westerners has Israel killed? Besides that useful idiot who got herself bulldozed, I mean.
    How many journalists has Israel murdered?
    How many anti-semites has Israel murdered?
    Give us some numbers to back up your claims, people. Or stop making them.

    Ken Harl has recorded some lectures on Ancient Middle East history for the Teaching Company.
    In one lecture, on an ancient Assyrian leader whose name I’ve forgotten, Harl explains how he manipulated two foreign armies to fight each other, thereby eliminating an enemy of the Assyrian leader. “The smart leader lets someone else do his killing,” Harl quipped.

    What do these two book titles suggest to you —

    The Jew Who Defeated Hitler: Henry Morgenthau Jr., FDR, and How We Won the War by Peter Moreira

    and

    How the Jews Defeated Hitler: Exploding the Myth of Jewish Passivity in the Face of Nazism by Benjamin Ginsberg

    Bounce these two titles against the thesis of Eric Margolis’s essay: Stalin’s Soviet Union Defeated Germany — We Should Not Forget.

    Moreira researched Henry Morgenthau’s million pages of diaries and notes and Ginsberg retrod well-worn paths and reported that Jewish financiers; Jewish members of FDR’s Cabinet and administration; Jewish activists in USA and Britain; Jewish advisors and influence shapers; Jewish Hollywood studio directors; Jewish public relations experts; Jewish military leaders and fighters were at the vanguard of those who induced USA and Britain to wage war on Germany, and who urged that USA send money and war materials to Britain and, especially, Russia, to destroy Germany.

    It’s hard to attach a number to “civilized westerners murdered” in service of the Israel project, but it would have to include all those millions of Russians who were killed while killing all those German soldiers; and all those US and British pilots killed while firebombing all those German civilians. Shall we also include all those German women raped by all those Russian soldiers?

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  138. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Many who call for free speech tend to be hypocrites.

    Arthur Miller wrote the Crucible but was a Stalinist-sympathizer.

    David Mamet wrote Oleanna but is a crusader against anti-Zionists.

    As for scum like Geert Wilders, they wanna ban the Koran and they support ‘anti-hate speech’ legislation in Europe. Their argument is Islamists are like Nazis and should be banned too.

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  139. Avery says:
    @Anonymous
    I noticed you did not comment on her one sided support for free speech. If the speech is targedt against Israel, she is against it. What you leave out is indicative of your willingness to distort the truth.

    Pam Gellar and her supporter have pushed for ANTI-Speech laws successfully in many country's attempting to stop any criticism of Israel. She is no supporter of free speech. She just supports attacking Islam and Muslims. try attacking Israel or Jews and see how far she supports you. In fact, I would recommend going to Canada first before attempting this endeavor.

    Once you do and are prosecuted, you can tell us how well Canadian legal system treated you.

    I noticed you did not comment on the 3 secular Bangladesh bloggers hacked to death by radical Islamists.
    {“A secular blogger has been hacked to death in north-eastern Bangladesh in the country’s third such deadly attack since the start of the year.”}

    As to Geller, Israel-firsters, Israel-defenders, etc:

    I have no sympathy for her as a person. And she is definitely pushing the envelope.
    And I have absolutely no issue with Muslim-American groups (e.g. CAIR) suing her a__ off, or organizing (peaceful) mass protests outside the venue.
    But you seem a little confused: you are comparing people who use the system – for better or worse – to push their agenda, with those who decide that they have the God given right to murder me if I say something that supposedly offends them.

    Read what [anonymous] wrote above (anonymous says: May 13, 2015 at 2:51 pm GMT )

    {“tomorrow it’ll be selling ham sandwiches and non-halal meat in public cafeterias and women wearing what they deem immodest clothing in public.”}

    It is already happening in many European cities.
    Take a moment and appreciate what that means.

    Christians are insulted routinely in this country.
    And in Europe.
    And yes, I have seen the Seinfeld episode where some guy urinates on the picture of Jesus.
    And I also know that the infamous cartoons of Charlie Hebdo in France depicting Mohammad, are nothing compared what they depicted about Christians.
    But the ones who massacred them were not Christians, were they ?

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  140. @Lackawanna
    The intersting thing about Geller is that she is part of a larger effort by neocons to infiltrate and subvert the "far right" in America and nationalism in Europe using the same play book that the original neocons used to infiltrate and subvert the conservative movement.

    We have a number of neocon run websites that have popped up in the last few years that mix articles about black crime and illegal immigration with Israel firstism, hysteria about Iran and hate for Russia.

    The Washington Free Beacon and American Thinker are the main ones...then there are a bunch of smaller sock puppet sites and blogs that seem to only exist to reprint articles from them.

    The effort seems to have started in Europe with the "counter jihad" movement, an internet based astroturf effort funded by American neocons. CJ is desinged to provide an alternative to political parties that are anti-globalist and based on ethnic-nationalism. CJ types act as if they are the first people to notice that Muslims are problematic when in fact, Europe has a huge nationalist movement that has been on top of the Muslim issue for decades.

    The Gatestone Institute, run by super well connected neocons seems to be the nexus of all of this. Clearly, there is a very organized campaign at work here. We can only guess at this point how this campaign got started and how its leaders intend to use it in the future.

    As with the original neocon movement, this pseudo-nationalism is lavishly funded, centrally coordinated and deploys numerous redundant publications to amplify its message.

    Yes, attention must be paid to these propaganda efforts. The neocons corrupted the conservative movement, and they now well along in this new effort to co-opt efforts by Americans and Europeans to resist Islamization. This is a very dangerous business. We cannot preserve our traditional way of life if those who lead us don’t share it. Ginning up hatred of for Muslims and Arabs is not the same thing as preserving a Christian West.

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    I'm concerned about the lack of awareness and interest in this neo-neoconism from those on the alt right. They seem to be oblivious to what is going on, it's a repeat of what happened with conservatives.

    For example, American Rennaisance often links to WFB articles, even when the same information is available from other sources. Doing this helps to legitmize neocons. Amren is regularly sending their readers to sites that are deliberately desgined to subvert Amren's agenda, out of sheer laziness. This stuff matters.

    Neocons would never link to Amren. They always keep close track of who their friends and enemies are and take that into account with everything they do. They never get sloppy and give aid to people who oppose them. Diligence on their part and carelessness on our part has been one of the defining themes of their repeated triumphs.

    If you look into the history of neoconservatism, the first generation of them gained the trust of conservatives with pointed criticism of blacks. Now they are using Muslim in this role.

    Could we on the alt right please be a little more sophisticated about this stuff? To start with, all of us who read Amren need to start insisting that they not link to neocon sources. That means making a complaint every single time they do it. If anyone here knows these people, tell them in person. If we can not even be bothered to not send our followers to the enemy's propaganda, we might as well just give up.
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  141. @tsotha

    Pamela Geller, who recently staged the “Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” in Garland Texas that resulted in two deaths...
     
    This is really disingenuous phrasing. The people who died did so because they were trying to stage a mass murder. Someone should pin a medal on her.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&u=http://www.syrianews.cc/jaafari-exposes-hypocrites-fighting-terror-syria/&usg=ALkJrhjJE4y_2cYJpuWKd3Lr8fGSmJKLwA

    Geller organised a psyop – the two dead lads were no doubt assured they wouldn’t wind up dead. And any qualms were no doubt taken care of with, um ‘medication.

    The Swats werent there for the heck of it. Be interesting to know who her MIC contacts are.

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  142. Avery says:

    [Gunmen kill 45 Shiites riding on a bus in Pakistan’s Karachi]

    http://www.todayszaman.com/world_gunmen-kill-45-shiites-riding-on-a-bus-in-pakistans-karachi_380544.html

    {Gunmen stormed a bus in southern Pakistan and ordered its Shiite Muslim passengers to bow their heads before shooting them, killing at least 45 people in the latest attack targeting religious minority, officials said.}
    {…the attackers killed 45 people, including 16 women, and wounded 13.}

    Either the Americans, or Europeans, or Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists _must_ be somehow involved.

    Otherwise Muslims would not massacre fellow Muslims, would they ?

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  143. @geokat62
    One of your better posts.

    I hate to disagree with you geokatt62 and also with Fran Macadam because I frequently respect your thoughtful comments.

    I think Fran’s analysis is based on an incomplete and distorted historical account of WWI, the events of the intervening period, and of WWII (plus the decade or so afterward).

    Rather than type another of what I consider a more accurate history of “the whole offense”, consider the situation more factually and less from the “philosophical” viewpoint:

    Fran wrote: “History proves that every ethnic group has among it the intolerant and mad, which history also teaches it is important to recognize and call out, as too often these megalomaniacs have infected whole countries by sowing fear through their demagoguery, especially in times of financial insecurity.
    This problem is thoroughly human.

    The racists who seized control of a bankrupted Germany in the 1930s infamously claimed that Germans who were Jewish really were not German because they weren’t civilized or fully human, even going so far as to term them vermin. The societal problems had been allowed to fester and grow to become insoluble by normal political means, so unscrupulous power seekers offered up phoney scapegoats to blame.
    But of course the Jews in Germany were German and as fully human as any of us.”

    Germany’s ambassador Hans Luther rejected the charge of bigotry. According to a report in the Jewish Telegraph, in comments in New York in May 1933, Luther said:

    Prejudice against the Jews, he said, was due to their tendency toward movements of a communistic nature, and to the fact that nearly fifty percent of the government officails have been Jews, although the total Jewish population was only one percent. He denied emphatically that there had been any “atrocities”.

    He asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War. . . .

    Dr. Luther described the misery of German students who had to wait for years after graduating in order to obtain positions in the professions. Even before the War, he said, the legal and medical professions in Berlin, Frankfurt and other large cities were almost monopolized by certain people whose activities the German people could not consider as German.

    After the War, came the influx of East European Jews, he declared. Because of Germany’s political prostration, there was no means of excluding undesirable immigrants such as other nations had. Before the War, he said, anti-Semitism in Germany had no political importance. Later, this inclination against the elements which had a leading role in Marxist stories contributed greatly to the embitterment of the people.

    Dr. Luther asked newspapermen present not to forget that of 1,700 Jewish lawyers in Berlin, 1,200 had been considered worthy of being readmitted to practice. The measures against the Jews, he asserted, were taken only that those Jews who are alien to the German nation, should not continue any longer in important judicial and administrative posts.

    He also praised the character of the Nazi revolution which he described as bloodless.

    No vermin.
    No “inhuman Jews.”
    No name calling.

    Check Luther’s facts and complaints: did they comport with reality, and were they legitimate grievances, given the state of Germany post-war, post-famine, post-revolution, and in the context of Versailles treaty obligations that nearly the entire world, including many of the people who drafted the Treaty, agreed were outrageously and dangerously inequitable.

    Also, consider how American would react to an “influx” of foreign nationals intent on subverting the American political order. How would the American people react? How would the American people demand that their government respond to shore up American Constitutional principles in the face of an attack by outsiders who sought to impose an alien system of government?

    Were Bolshevik Communists infiltrating Germany and attempting to subvert its political system?

    [Grigory Zinoviev] was a Bolshevik revolutionary and a Soviet Communist politician. He was one of the seven members of the first legendary Politburo, founded in 1917 in order to manage the Bolshevik Revolution. . .
    Zinoviev is best remembered as the longtime head of the Communist International and the architect of several failed attempts to transform Germany into a communist country during the early 1920s. He was in competition against Joseph Stalin who eliminated him from the Soviet political leadership. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev#

    Zinoviev’s activities in Germany frequently involved street-riots and assassinations.

    How were the German people faring in the midst of political and economic turmoil?

    from “Lords of Finance: The Bankers who Broke the World,” by Liaquat Ahamed:

    “On Nov. 5 [1923] the price of a two-kilo loaf of bread had soared from 20 billion marks to 140 billion, sparking off nationwide riots. In Berlin, thousands of men and women had paraded the streets, shouting “Bread and work!” Over a thousand shops — bakeries, butchers, and even clothing stores–had been looted. . . . cars were held up and their occupants robbed. In the heavily Jewish areas . . .anyone who was known to be Jewish, or “looked Jewish” had been attacked by gangs of young hoodlums. The worst violence was directed at Galician Jews, [Galicia: region in Eastern Europe that straddles Poland and Ukraine] many of whom had their distinctive beards scissored off or their clothes ripped away. The Borse, the stock exchange, had come under siege by a mob shouting, “Kill the Borse Jews.”

    By the end of the evening on Nov 8, the streets were at last quiet, the mobs dispersed at bayonet point by military police. Heavily armed Prussian state police in green uniforms now patrolled the city. . . .the weather turned extremely cold. That night it began to rain, making life even more difficult for those innumerable Berliners forced to queue up outside the municipal food kitchens and public feeding stations spread across the city. . . .

    Despite the riots and the rain, the infamously louche and tawdry nightlife of Berlin–that “new Babylon of the world” — continued unabated. …along the Kurfurstendamm, the bars and dance halls were, as always, full. As on every night, hordes of prostitutes of both sexes–there were said to be a hundred thousand of them in Berlin alone–paraded outside . . . “A kind of madness” had taken hold of the city, unhinging the whole society. Fortunes were made overnight and as quickly lost or dissipated. Those with money, desperate to get rid of it before it became worthless, indulged in giddy frenzies of spending, while those without sold what few possessions remained to them, including their bodies, in the struggle to survive. A quarter of the city’s schoolchildren suffered from malnutrition.

    Berlin had never been an elegant city. . . .But it had rightly prided itself on being the cleanest and most modern metropolis in Europe. Now it was shabby and going to seed, faded and run down like a “stone-grey corpse,” infested by “beggars, whores, invalids and fat-necked speculators,” its streets crowded by “legless war veterans riding the sidewalks on rolling planks” and by stunted, bowlegged children bent out of shape by rickets.

    One major point to absorb is that anger toward Jews in Germany was from the bottom-up and not top-down. As will be noted later, once the NSDAP gained power, they quelled unrest especially toward Jews.

    Another detail to make note of is the malnourished condition of German children.

    Far too few histories of WWI and of Germany spend an adequate amount of time on the implications and consequences of the fact that 800,000 German civilians were starved to death as a result of the blockade of Germany that included previously-proscribed foodstuffs in World War I. It is estimated that between 35,000 and 50,000 of those deaths occurred as a consequence of the extension of the blockade for almost a year after Germany’s surrender, which was done in order to coerce Germany to sign Versailles treaty.

    Based on the cavalier treatment of those 800,000 deaths in Edwin Black’s “The Transfer Agreement,” coupled with the fact that Jewish aid societies were active in Poland and Germany to ensure that Jews in those states had access to either direct food aid or the black market, it is reasonable to suppose that very few if any Jewish people were among the dead or among the rickets-afflicted children that crowded German orphanages in the post-war period.

    Try to think how you would react if your niece or grandchild starved to death, or if your daughter’s newborn lived but suffered for the rest of his life because of nutritional deficiencies during his gestation and early days — a child forever physically and neurologically damaged.

    Precisely those situations occurred throughout Germany in the post-war period. When Jewish leaders — Samuel Untermyer, Stephen Wise, Louis Brandeis among others — sought to implement Brandeis’s directive of Feb. 14, 1933 that “all Jews must leave Germany,” one of the tactics used was the imposition of a boycott of German exports “upon which Germany’s existence depended” — it was a deliberate existential threat to Germany.

    Moreover, as Black explains, the tactic of boycott was employed precisely because the Jewish leaders who planned it were well aware that a boycott would summon up from present memory the dread and horror experienced in the WWI famine.

    —-

    Was Hans Luther lying through his teeth when he claimed that no atrocities occurred in Germany, or were the propagandists working overtime to demonize Germany and recycling WWI atrocity propaganda to do so?

    Here’s how Richard Breitman and Allen Lichtman help us to discover the reality of the situation:

    “[B]efore the war Nazi oppression of German Jews followed a jagged trajectory. Some Nazi activists physically assaulted Jews in the early exuberant days of Hitler’s semi legal revolution. Once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence but enacted a series of discriminatory laws and decrees . . .against Jews. Only in late 1938 . . .for the first time, the Gestapo imprisoned tens of thousands of German Jews in concentration camps that also held other alleged enemies of Hitler’s new Reich.” http://www.amazon.com/FDR-Jews-Richard-Breitman/dp/0674416740/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431559925&sr=8-1&keywords=fdr+and+the+jews

    Thus, between Hitler’s accession to power in Jan. 1933 and mid-November 1938, Jews were neither the target of physical violence nor detained in camps.

    Nevertheless, as Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded in his autobiography, by Feb. 14, 1933 Louis Brandeis had directed that “all Jews must leave Germany.” Wise was tasked with removing “587,000 German Jews” from Germany, preferably to Palestine.

    The import of Brandeis’s directive cannot be overstated.

    As Wise also notes in his autobiography, most Jews did not wish to leave Germany. Wise refused to honor the numerous requests he received from German Jews to call off the anti-German agitation being carried out by Jewish leaders in US, Britain and Poland. At one such anti-German rally in Philadelphia, only three German Jews were part of the crowd.

    One of the tactics used to whip up stress in Germany was the boycott, first announced in a British newspaper report on March 24, 1933, Judea Declare[d] War On Germany; Jews of All the World Unite In Action [to]Boycott German Goods.” The goal was to destroy Germany’s export trade, which “Germany depended upon for its existence.”

    Without export trade, Germany could not acquire the currency necessary to pay Poland the transit fees that Poland demanded to ship coal across now-Polish East Prussia and into Germany. Coal was essential to German industry as well as to heat German homes.

    Edwin Black explains in “The Transfer Agreement” that the Jewish leaders who organized the boycott were perfectly well aware of the gut-wrenching fear that a boycott would provoke in Germans who had a present memory of mass starvation in WWI.

    Given these few facts and circumstances, Fran Macadam, I don’t ascribe the actions of Germany’s leaders to “megalomania” or “demagoguery” or “racism.” German leaders reacted to dire circumstances in as measured and “bloodless” a way as could be accomplished to achieve goals essential for the wellbeing of the German people — to whom they were responsible. Between 1933 and late 1938 they were successful, both in protecting the Jewish people and in re-establishing order and civility among the German people.

    As Eric Margolis pointed out in a recent article, Stalin killed far more people than Adolf Hitler, including 6 million Ukrainians liquidated in the early 1930’s. While Stalin was starving 6 million Ukrainians and Jewish leaders were boycotting Germany, invoking the specter of starvation among Germans, Germans were “curbing personal violence against Jews.”

    In the logic that has come to characterize American foreign policy, Germany was made the enemy and Stalin the ally.

    The absurdity of evil.

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    @S2C

    Writing "one of your better posts" does not necessarily mean I agree with with everything Fran wrote. I was simply expressing my satisfaction that her latest post was moving in the right direction relative to her previous postings.

    If we are engaged in a battle of ideas, we need to win over the "hearts and minds" of as many people as we can, but by always adhering to the truth!
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  144. joe webb says:
    @Fran Macadam
    Thank God for decent Jewish people who see Geller's bigotry for what it is. History proves that every ethnic group has among it the intolerant and mad, which history also teaches it is important to recognize and call out, as too often these megalomaniacs have infected whole countries by sowing fear through their demagoguery, especially in times of financial insecurity.

    This problem is thoroughly human. The racists who seized control of a bankrupted Germany in the 1930s infamously claimed that Germans who were Jewish really were not German because they weren't civilized or fully human, even going so far as to term them vermin. The societal problems had been allowed to fester and grow to become insoluble by normal political means, so unscrupulous power seekers offered up phoney scapegoats to blame.

    But of course the Jews in Germany were German and as fully human as any of us. Thus it should be no surprise that some demagogues who happen to be Jewish have arisen and gained power based on the seemingly insoluble contradictions inherent in modern Israel, an anachronism in our modern age, a nation that still confers full citizenship on the basis of a single religion and supposed race. Obviously, this is an anomaly in our modern world - nations that practiced apartheid, as in late Afrikaaner South Africa became pariah states. The irony is not that a nuclear armed South Africa's last ally was Israel, but that a nation of people persecuted and subjected to racist genocide should adopt the very definitions of citizenship and deformed human rights of their persecutors as their own.

    Hannah Arendt, a leading philosopher of the 20th century who bequeathed to us a deeper understanding of the origins of totalitarianism, recognized that a persecuted people can be betrayed by their own leaders, who cooperate in their holocaust with oppressors. This is an old story, that conquest never occurs without betrayal and collaboration. Arendt, Jewish herself, became an outcast among unthinking Zionists for her truth-telling, which opposed the sort of bifurcations about good and evil of whole peoples that Geller propagates.

    The banality of evil is that very ordinary people with extraordinarily tone deaf consciences, such as Geller, can become through their moral blindness the very Eichmanns they supposedly oppose, and if unopposed, lead others down the same historically destructive paths. In an America where so many are in financial straits from which donorized politicians have no answers for us, Geller's scapegoating message that creates a distracting illusion of "enemies" to fight and destroy also powers the very profitable drive for wars, as it has in the past.

    compendium cliches dept.

    I attended a play in San Jose California about 10 years ago about Arendt and Heidegger ( a sure thing for the local liberals/jews/theata folks.) Besides the cliches therein, compleat with a platinum blonde limp-wristed nazi, it stunk.

    However, an old grey head stood up in the Q and A period after the play and announced that his uncle had dated Arendt in Germany…something like that. And uncle was a communist…all these folks are jews herein. Uncle said that all the jews around his family were either zionists, communists or socialists. I am not making this up.

    Of course there must have been a few loyal (to Germany) jews, but not many. Thus the Jews are just like the rest of us with a few bad apples.

    To state that evil is banal is pretty stupid. Evil is a word I do not bother with. I use a psychological term….Psychopath. A psychopath is one without any human empathy, and thus can kill his mother, his child, etc.

    This is a very interesting disorder and gets most people pretty excited. Banal? please. What you do with psychopaths is you kill them. The vikings exiled them and if they came home, they were killed.

    To say that nazis were evil is , sorry, banal, or just stupid. People have a tendency to kill Others who are trying to harm them, or are perceived as such. That is merely human nature. It helps a tribe survive other tribes or psychopaths from within.

    Some races have managed to reduce the violence but it will never be eliminated. that is why small wars are better than big wars. That is why nationalism will occasionally produce small wars, but by definition cannot produce big wars. Any combination of alliances between states is dangerous.

    If Ukraine and Russia need to fight it out…let them. Otoh, putting together opposing teams of countries to intervene in Russia/Ukraine is stupid…it just makes things worse. That is what we got now….New World Order/Nato/EU/LIberal International Capitalism, neocons ….to go to war with Russia?

    Pretty dumb. Russia of course has its national interest to protect. The people on the ground are the people who have Standing. If the Ruskies and the Ukrainians want to fight it out…let them. But don’t call them communists and nazis. Just stupidity again. It is nationalism, that is all.

    And it cannot be stopped. It can be escalated beyond a local war, and that is where the, can I say, psychopaths that lead us , come in. Neocons, crusaders, liberal free traders, Israel Firsters….all are psychopaths, but there is no way to deal with them (kill them) so we have to lurch forward into god knows what.

    So we continue to expose the worst of them…that would be us doing the exposing….of the neocons, nato, etc. and defend Russia for doing what its national interest requires on its own borders. We can point out that if the shoe were on the other foot…Canadian or Mexican border…the bomb, bomb, bomb McCains would be chimping out, and the jews would yawn and write letters home to mom and dad
    in Israel.

    Likewise…on the matter of everybody is everybody department, you may have noticed that the cherubic dufus, Kim , King of N. Korea, has executed an opponent who insulted him, maybe with an anti-aircraft gun per NYT, in front of those in need of a reminder as to who’s boss. Anti-aircraft gun?? About a 20 or 30 millimeter type barrel….quite a spectacular shower of guts and body parts.

    Get the point? Oriental Despotism. They are not like us. never have been and never will be.
    The Jews? Dunno….so far it don’t look so good. Arabs? ditto. Blacks? ditto, and so on. Whites are the most humane of races…warts yes, and capable of inter-ethnic warfare…so what? Think about the Other races. Think about China and keep those ICBMS warmed-up.

    Joe Webb

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    The Germans have started two major wars and committed major genocides such as the Herero and Holocaust in recent periods. According to your logic then, wouldn't this be evidence that the Germans are psychopathic and a threat to non-Germans, and that non-Germans should regard and treat them as such?
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  145. KA says:

    Freedom of speech has delivered lies as well over the years from the regime changers neocons . None has to or had to face any grilling for obfuscation that gave rise to and couold and can give rise to dangerous preemptive s wars .
    Bernard Levy or James Woosley or any other place holders could assert– ” we need not shy away from the 1925 constitution because it establishes a constitutional monarchy” [ Iraq] Bernard Levy and R James Woosley in WSJ Oct 29 th ,2003

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    Above advice came out of the democracy promoting gangs to pave way for the expansion of Israel in WB and Gaza. Jordan will get Iraq,Israel will get Palestine ,and Palestininan will be herded east to Jordan . Problem solved! Why let the new fangled ideas of democracy or citizen choices and rights get in the way of the Yoded Yinon dream.?
    Free speech from any orifice of any neocon will sound equally convincing to any other neocon . Violent imposition would get the job done .
    But loud opposition to the soft incitement or robust attempt to confront the lies should be tossed away with ridicule and hatred. If that didn't stop the resistance ,the opposition voices would be labeled as Hate Speech and the Lawfare would get the job done.
    This is the Free Speech!
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  146. @Thomas O. Meehan
    Yes, attention must be paid to these propaganda efforts. The neocons corrupted the conservative movement, and they now well along in this new effort to co-opt efforts by Americans and Europeans to resist Islamization. This is a very dangerous business. We cannot preserve our traditional way of life if those who lead us don't share it. Ginning up hatred of for Muslims and Arabs is not the same thing as preserving a Christian West.

    I’m concerned about the lack of awareness and interest in this neo-neoconism from those on the alt right. They seem to be oblivious to what is going on, it’s a repeat of what happened with conservatives.

    For example, American Rennaisance often links to WFB articles, even when the same information is available from other sources. Doing this helps to legitmize neocons. Amren is regularly sending their readers to sites that are deliberately desgined to subvert Amren’s agenda, out of sheer laziness. This stuff matters.

    Neocons would never link to Amren. They always keep close track of who their friends and enemies are and take that into account with everything they do. They never get sloppy and give aid to people who oppose them. Diligence on their part and carelessness on our part has been one of the defining themes of their repeated triumphs.

    If you look into the history of neoconservatism, the first generation of them gained the trust of conservatives with pointed criticism of blacks. Now they are using Muslim in this role.

    Could we on the alt right please be a little more sophisticated about this stuff? To start with, all of us who read Amren need to start insisting that they not link to neocon sources. That means making a complaint every single time they do it. If anyone here knows these people, tell them in person. If we can not even be bothered to not send our followers to the enemy’s propaganda, we might as well just give up.

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  147. If anyone wants to know how much Jews respect free speech and expression, go to any Jewish-owned web site and try posting comments critical of Jews or Israel.

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    h/t Cloak and Dagger

    https://goosegander.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/freedom-of-speech/

    Ever been to http://www.jewishpress.com ? They are often prattling on about free speech and democracy when it comes to defending Geller and others. But, look what it says when you go to comment:


    If you promote any foreign religions, gods or messiahs, lies about Israel, anti-Semitism, or advocate violence (except against terrorists), your permission to comment may be revoked.

    So don’t say anything nice about Jesus or christianity there or bad things about Israel or Israelis. But feel free to incite violence against those muslim terrorists anytime!

    Free speech indeed.
     
    , @KA
    " After every major terrorist incident ,the excuse makers come out to tell us why Zionism ,colonialism or Iraq explains why the terrorists acted. These excuse makers are just one notch less despicable than the terrorist and also deserve be exposed " Tom Friedman
    He continued" it erases the distinction between legitimate dissent and terrorism " .
    Friedman advised the government to go after those religious leaders and writers who " are inciting violence against other and should include even those who were described as " excuse maker" by James Rubin .

    July 22 NYT 2005
    www.fair.org Action Alert 7/27/05

    Using open society ,Zionist infiltrated every nook and corner of western society inc
    Using civil military,media,churches,and education. They promoted relentless violence and use of forces,they incited wars and arms smuggling snd terrors by asking government to pit one group against another . They divided allies . They created hatred . They continue to do same that their ancestors did . They covered the dirt under the right of the freedom of speech .
    But to Friedman any attempt to clarify,question,understand the terrorism isn't free speech . Its nothing but terrorism!

    , @Avery
    There is no such thing as “free speech” for private entities such as a privately owned web site.
    First amendment only applies to the government.
    Any privately owned web site can flush any posted comments they don’t like: their private business. For any number of reasons or no reason at all.

    I write many comments at many different sites.
    Most get published. But some don't.
    That's the way it goes: anything that gets published is a bonus.

    btw: Ron Unz, the owner of this site is Jewish.
    I see a lot of comments by posters that are Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israel.
    And Mr. GIRALDI, the author of this article, is not shy about criticizing Israel, and he regularly gets to write articles @unz.com.
    , @Sam Shama

    If anyone wants to know how much Jews respect free speech and expression, go to any Jewish-owned web site and try posting comments critical of Jews or Israel.

     

    At first I thought this comment was some inside joke, but it quickly dawned on me, that you are a sandwich short of a picnic!
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  148. KA says:
    @KA
    Freedom of speech has delivered lies as well over the years from the regime changers neocons . None has to or had to face any grilling for obfuscation that gave rise to and couold and can give rise to dangerous preemptive s wars .
    Bernard Levy or James Woosley or any other place holders could assert-- " we need not shy away from the 1925 constitution because it establishes a constitutional monarchy" [ Iraq] Bernard Levy and R James Woosley in WSJ Oct 29 th ,2003

    Above advice came out of the democracy promoting gangs to pave way for the expansion of Israel in WB and Gaza. Jordan will get Iraq,Israel will get Palestine ,and Palestininan will be herded east to Jordan . Problem solved! Why let the new fangled ideas of democracy or citizen choices and rights get in the way of the Yoded Yinon dream.?
    Free speech from any orifice of any neocon will sound equally convincing to any other neocon . Violent imposition would get the job done .
    But loud opposition to the soft incitement or robust attempt to confront the lies should be tossed away with ridicule and hatred. If that didn’t stop the resistance ,the opposition voices would be labeled as Hate Speech and the Lawfare would get the job done.
    This is the Free Speech!

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  149. KA says:
    @Sam Haysom
    Well Giraldi does tons of it so I guess when he stops accusing, at the behest of the Middle Eastern donors who keep his sad sack organization afloat, American Christians of plotting to overthrow the government then maybe his tears won't seem so crocodily. Some people like Giraldi develop empathy only when the check clears. That said Giraldi's empathy comes cheap.

    Donation is pouring in from Saudi . The neocon ( the mother -Israel ) are getting the money almost 14 billions to carry the beef and the water for Saudi ,to portray them as moderate and real ally for stability so earnestly sought by US.
    Saudi has to do it since last 11 yrs they have been demonized and threatened by the same neocons .Kristol boasted ” we got rid of the Arabist from State Dept” and Campus Watch made sure the wisdom with vision on ME politics would be taken care with slander,pressure,and banishment .
    Money in trillions went missing from Pentagon just before 911 and Zockheim wasn’t asked a single question . Rubio is getting millions from the Florida Jews who want him to destroy Iran . He is getting from the settlement promoter on West Bank. They are new Saban and Adelson.
    Money is paid to Hannity and Blitzer and few other by the neocon outfit known as media so that they can lie and spread hate all day presenting the neocon shit as truth . Money told Brit Hume and Cameron of Fox to shit up and not talk about 911 and Israel anymore .

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  150. @Carroll Price
    If anyone wants to know how much Jews respect free speech and expression, go to any Jewish-owned web site and try posting comments critical of Jews or Israel.

    h/t Cloak and Dagger

    https://goosegander.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/freedom-of-speech/

    Ever been to http://www.jewishpress.com ? They are often prattling on about free speech and democracy when it comes to defending Geller and others. But, look what it says when you go to comment:

    If you promote any foreign religions, gods or messiahs, lies about Israel, anti-Semitism, or advocate violence (except against terrorists), your permission to comment may be revoked.

    So don’t say anything nice about Jesus or christianity there or bad things about Israel or Israelis. But feel free to incite violence against those muslim terrorists anytime!

    Free speech indeed.

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  151. KA says:
    @Carroll Price
    If anyone wants to know how much Jews respect free speech and expression, go to any Jewish-owned web site and try posting comments critical of Jews or Israel.

    ” After every major terrorist incident ,the excuse makers come out to tell us why Zionism ,colonialism or Iraq explains why the terrorists acted. These excuse makers are just one notch less despicable than the terrorist and also deserve be exposed ” Tom Friedman
    He continued” it erases the distinction between legitimate dissent and terrorism ” .
    Friedman advised the government to go after those religious leaders and writers who ” are inciting violence against other and should include even those who were described as ” excuse maker” by James Rubin .

    July 22 NYT 2005
    http://www.fair.org Action Alert 7/27/05

    Using open society ,Zionist infiltrated every nook and corner of western society inc
    Using civil military,media,churches,and education. They promoted relentless violence and use of forces,they incited wars and arms smuggling snd terrors by asking government to pit one group against another . They divided allies . They created hatred . They continue to do same that their ancestors did . They covered the dirt under the right of the freedom of speech .
    But to Friedman any attempt to clarify,question,understand the terrorism isn’t free speech . Its nothing but terrorism!

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  152. Avery says:
    @Carroll Price
    If anyone wants to know how much Jews respect free speech and expression, go to any Jewish-owned web site and try posting comments critical of Jews or Israel.

    There is no such thing as “free speech” for private entities such as a privately owned web site.
    First amendment only applies to the government.
    Any privately owned web site can flush any posted comments they don’t like: their private business. For any number of reasons or no reason at all.

    I write many comments at many different sites.
    Most get published. But some don’t.
    That’s the way it goes: anything that gets published is a bonus.

    btw: Ron Unz, the owner of this site is Jewish.
    I see a lot of comments by posters that are Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israel.
    And Mr. GIRALDI, the author of this article, is not shy about criticizing Israel, and he regularly gets to write articles @unz.com.

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    Those private media or other entities who lie to wage wars and promote wars need to be removed from the circulation .They are toxic .Thier existence isn't secured by any partciluar immutable law or divine rights .
    Incitement to violence behind the glass doors of the most decorated builidng in one of the most coveted real estate or on TV screens sporting the photogenic and telegenic facade of importance and expertsie based on false claims should be treated the same way as the violent internet trolls or sermons or writings are treated .The wise or modertae looking appearnces , western names /dresses or titles shouldnt obscure the vision or the foresight.
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  153. @Ronald Thomas West
    The codoh forum is one nasty operation:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/06/people-too-stupid-to-understand-theyre-stupid/

    And screwed up pretty significantly ^
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    What's your point, Mathis?

    That the person who runs the Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust has a job other than running CODOH?

    You have a problem with OPEN debate? What do you prefer?


    The holocaust industry looms large in the dissemination-of-hate-speech industry.

    The answer to hate speech is more speech.

    CODOH is not hate speech, it is research and evidence that counters the distorted narrative of holocaust.

    The USA needs more, not less, of sites like CODOH.
    , @Ronald Thomas West

    Seen this?
     
    I have now. I don't give CODOH much attention since they'd tried to suck me into their 'operation' and what I mean by operation is, Paul Eisen not only unmasked himself promoting his own work as a 3rd party but gave himself up through sheer carelessness (or in one of those 'unthinking' rages dishonest persons are prone to when their schemes are being foiled) when he used two email addresses and one of them was tied to a quite informative domain name "@zionism.org"

    Eisen is located in the UK and there is a bona fide zionist website zionism.org.uk. I really don't need to know any more than that, to know CODOH is an entrapment scheme and certainly not what it promotes itself to be. Insofar as who's behind CODOH and its efforts to suck people in to a forum where they can later be damned for participating .. my guess would be some organization along the lines of the Israeli Internet Defense Force (and just how dumb are all of those neo-nazi types who check into what could easily be a personal information phishing site.)
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  154. I can personally testify to Pam’s commitment to free speech. Or lack thereof. I posted a comment to her site pointing out that the terrible situation with Muslims in Europe arose from an open borders policy, lead and driven by Jewish groups who sustain it with ‘hate’ legislation throughout the continent. Not only did she not publish the comment but I was permanently banned from the site.

    However Philip Giraldi goes completely off the deep end with regard to the Religion of Peace. He refers to the ‘palpably ridiculous assertion that “Fundamentalist Islam wants Shariah to replace the U. S. Constitution and fundamentally transform America.” In fact that is precisely what they – and even the ‘moderate’ ones – want. If they did not they’d be bad Muslims.

    And there is no equivalence between Jewish and Muslim efforts to suppress free speech. As Philip says, Muslims might do ‘something stupid’ if provoked. Er, yes, like murdering the speech offenders. And yes, their ‘sacred’ texts brim over with calls to kill the infidel. Don’t try to hide behind the threadbare excuse that she, or the rest of us, don’t read Arabic.

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  155. @Ronald Thomas West

    In 2011 Pamela Geller campaigned to block the U.S. government’s licensing of al-Jazeera America, which she refers to as “Terror TV,” revealing the insincerity of her espousal of free speech when the speech does not conform to her agenda
     
    Despite the fact she's a moroness and hypocrite (that you nail quite accurately), there are times people like Geller stumble on a fact of the matter (probably inadvertently)

    excerpt

    Finally, a Stooge TV [al-Jazeera] personality, a Sunni cleric (must be sort of like a Rick Warren evangelical show) keeps the USA’s promise of all hell breaking loose by calling out to his 60,000,000 (sixty million) potential viewers to pile on Syria (and don’t worry about bringing along weapons, we’ve got plenty in the pipeline) inviting a regional sectarian war (already spilling over into Lebanon and Iraq)

    Read more:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/06/01/stooge-tv/
     
    But couldn't agree more with the gist of Phil's article:

    excerpt

    The culture lampooning Islam with gross stereotype in fact created the militant Islam we know in the present day. A mark of a bully and coward is to use one’s superior or ‘brute’ strength to humiliate one lesser in strength. When this simply goes on and on, it will, quite naturally, breed a deep and abiding resentment, eventually becoming a deeply rooted, pathological anger and related hate. Charlie Hebdo’s mistake was to fail recognizing they were playing the artistic hand of the bully. Catholic France has a long and storied history of beating the Muslim world into the dirt, from Algeria to Djibouti to Lebanon to Syria and quite notably, Yemen

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    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/09/opus-dei-creavit-monitor-lacertae/
     
    I'm admittedly anti-fundamentalist everything but common sense tells me Islam can produce it's own critics, I stick it to the Catholics (in this case)

    “common sense tells me Islam can produce it’s own critics”

    LoL! That’s right. Every time there’s even the slightest Islamic outrage Muslims dominate the airwaves condemning the terrorists. Non-stop public debate within Islam as to whether the ‘Prophet’ had a six-year-old wife etc./sarc

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    Two points Irish - first, Muslim leaders do go public and overwhelmingly condemn terrorist acts but you just don't see it in the media. Second, when I refer to "palpably ridiculous" I am meaning that the political mathematics of it are such that it ain't gonna happen here no matter what some of them might want. I am no apologist for Islam believe me and I favor shooting terrorists on sight but Geller is garbage.
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  156. @Irish Savant
    "common sense tells me Islam can produce it’s own critics"

    LoL! That's right. Every time there's even the slightest Islamic outrage Muslims dominate the airwaves condemning the terrorists. Non-stop public debate within Islam as to whether the 'Prophet' had a six-year-old wife etc./sarc

    Two points Irish – first, Muslim leaders do go public and overwhelmingly condemn terrorist acts but you just don’t see it in the media. Second, when I refer to “palpably ridiculous” I am meaning that the political mathematics of it are such that it ain’t gonna happen here no matter what some of them might want. I am no apologist for Islam believe me and I favor shooting terrorists on sight but Geller is garbage.

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    "In the late 50s, I visited the US for the first time. A major New York radio station invited me for an interview. Later they cautioned me: "You can criticize the President (Dwight D. Eisenhower) and the Secretary of State (John Foster Dulles) to your heart’s content, but please don’t criticize Israeli leaders!" At the last moment the interview was cancelled altogether, and the Iraqi ambassador was invited instead. Criticism was apparently tolerable when it came from an Arab, but absolutely not coming from an Israeli.

    In 1970, the respected American "Fellowship of Reconciliation" invited me for a lecture tour of 30 universities, under the auspices of the Hillel rabbis. When I arrived in New York, I was informed that 29 of the lectures had been cancelled. The sole rabbi who did not cancel, Balfour Brickner, showed me a secret communication of the "Anti-Defamation League" that proscribed my lectures. It said: "While Knesset Member Avnery can in no way be considered a traitor, his appearance at this time would be deeply divisive" In the end, all the lectures took place under the auspices of Christian chaplains.

    I especially remember a depressing experience in Baltimore. A good Jew, who had volunteered to host me, was angered by the cancellation of my lecture in this city and obstinately insisted on putting it on. We combed the streets of the Jewish quarters–mile upon mile of signs with Jewish names–and did not find a single hall whose manager would agree to let the lecture by a member of the Israeli Knesset take place. In the end, we did hold the lecture in the basement of the building of my host’s apartment–and functionaries of the Jewish community came to protest.

    That year, during Black September, I held a press conference in Washington DC, under the auspices of the Quakers. It seemed to be a huge success. The journalists came straight from a press conference with Prime Minister Golda Meir, and showered me with questions. Almost all the important media were represented–TV networks, radio, the major newspapers. After the planned hour was up, they would not let me go and kept me talking for another hour and a half. But the next day, not a single word appeared in any of the media. Thirty-one years later, in October 2001 I held a press conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, and exactly the same thing happened: many of the media were there, they held me for another hour–and not a word, not a single word, was published.

    In 1968, a very respected American publishing house (Macmillan) brought out a book of mine’ "Israel Without Zionists", which was later translated into eight other languages. The book described the Israeli-Arab conflict in a very different way and proposed the establishment of a Palestinian state next to Israel–a revolutionary idea at the time. Not a single review appeared in the American media. I checked in one of the most important book stores in New York and did not find the book. When I asked a salesman, he found it buried under a heap of volumes and put it on top. Half an hour later it was hidden again.

    The book dealt with the "Two States for Two peoples" solution long before it became a world-wide consensus, and with my proposal for Israel’s integration in "the Semitic Region". True, I am an Israeli patriot and was elected to the Knesset by Israeli voters. But I criticized the Israeli government–and that was enough. "
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/10/04/the-power-of-the-israel-lobby/

    Denying relevant information of national importance under pressure or fear or from jaundiced views or religious partisanship by the media is the worst crime that the media can commit agaisnt the sanctity of the idea of the Free Speech.
    , @Irish Savant
    OK Philip, point taken. Just to add that I'm a great admirer of your work.
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  157. @Andrew E. Mathis
    Seen this?

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/251521_Largest_Holocaust_denial_forum

    What’s your point, Mathis?

    That the person who runs the Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust has a job other than running CODOH?

    You have a problem with OPEN debate? What do you prefer?

    The holocaust industry looms large in the dissemination-of-hate-speech industry.

    The answer to hate speech is more speech.

    CODOH is not hate speech, it is research and evidence that counters the distorted narrative of holocaust.

    The USA needs more, not less, of sites like CODOH.

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    Know what my problems are with CODOH? It's all very simple, and it has nothing to do with free speech and everything to with truly open debate. Here it is:

    (1) CODOH is moderated by Hannover, who also is a participant. This is indisputable. Anytime someone gets Hannover into a corner on CODOH, the "moderator" pulls his fat from the fire. That, at the very least, indicates that the debate there is rigged. That makes Hannover dishonest.

    (2) While (1) wouldn't be a big deal, then what Hannover does is brag about how he and the other imbeciles at CODOH have "demolished" those people who have given up on a fair debate. That makes Hannover not just dishonest but obnoxious to boot.

    (3) While (1) and (2) would be excusable, this being the Internet and everything, Hannover did these things while he was working a government job. That means he used taxpayer money. That makes him not just dishonest and obnoxious, but also a thief.

    Anyway, all I ever wanted was a shot at Hannover outside of CODOH, but he won't go anywhere where he can't control the debate.

    It's all irrelevant at this point. The guy's retired. I merely thought Mr. West would find the story interesting.
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  158. @solontoCroesus
    What's your point, Mathis?

    That the person who runs the Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust has a job other than running CODOH?

    You have a problem with OPEN debate? What do you prefer?


    The holocaust industry looms large in the dissemination-of-hate-speech industry.

    The answer to hate speech is more speech.

    CODOH is not hate speech, it is research and evidence that counters the distorted narrative of holocaust.

    The USA needs more, not less, of sites like CODOH.

    Know what my problems are with CODOH? It’s all very simple, and it has nothing to do with free speech and everything to with truly open debate. Here it is:

    (1) CODOH is moderated by Hannover, who also is a participant. This is indisputable. Anytime someone gets Hannover into a corner on CODOH, the “moderator” pulls his fat from the fire. That, at the very least, indicates that the debate there is rigged. That makes Hannover dishonest.

    (2) While (1) wouldn’t be a big deal, then what Hannover does is brag about how he and the other imbeciles at CODOH have “demolished” those people who have given up on a fair debate. That makes Hannover not just dishonest but obnoxious to boot.

    (3) While (1) and (2) would be excusable, this being the Internet and everything, Hannover did these things while he was working a government job. That means he used taxpayer money. That makes him not just dishonest and obnoxious, but also a thief.

    Anyway, all I ever wanted was a shot at Hannover outside of CODOH, but he won’t go anywhere where he can’t control the debate.

    It’s all irrelevant at this point. The guy’s retired. I merely thought Mr. West would find the story interesting.

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    how is that substantially different from what goes on at Mondoweiss, or DailyKos?

    there is no site (that I am aware of) that discusses foreign policy therefore US-Israel relations and Jewish influence in US that is not managed at some choke-point by a Jewish person/filter.

    Informed Comment used to have honest, non-toxic, substantive debates on Israel-US issues but now that Clemons is at Atlantic, that has dried up.
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  159. @Andrew E. Mathis
    Seen this?

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/251521_Largest_Holocaust_denial_forum

    Seen this?

    I have now. I don’t give CODOH much attention since they’d tried to suck me into their ‘operation’ and what I mean by operation is, Paul Eisen not only unmasked himself promoting his own work as a 3rd party but gave himself up through sheer carelessness (or in one of those ‘unthinking’ rages dishonest persons are prone to when their schemes are being foiled) when he used two email addresses and one of them was tied to a quite informative domain name “@zionism.org”

    Eisen is located in the UK and there is a bona fide zionist website zionism.org.uk. I really don’t need to know any more than that, to know CODOH is an entrapment scheme and certainly not what it promotes itself to be. Insofar as who’s behind CODOH and its efforts to suck people in to a forum where they can later be damned for participating .. my guess would be some organization along the lines of the Israeli Internet Defense Force (and just how dumb are all of those neo-nazi types who check into what could easily be a personal information phishing site.)

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    I "know" Paul Eisen. I don't think he's actually involved w/CODOH. Rather, the CODOH person who posts here at Unz seems to think that Eisen is a worthwhile Jew. Which reminds me of the following:

    Und dann kommen sie alle, alle die braven 80 Millionen Deutschen, und jeder hat seinen anständigen Juden. Sagt: alle anderen sind Schweine, und hier ist ein prima Jude.

    Und zugesehen, es durchgestanden hat keiner. Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heisst, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen. Und dies durchgehalten zu haben, und dabei -- abgesehen von menschlichen Ausnahmeschwächen -- anständig geblieben zu sein, hat uns hart gemacht und ist ein niemals genanntes und niemals zu nennendes Ruhmesblatt.
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  160. Crunchy says:
    @SFG
    Israel may be fond of violence against Palestinians in the territories, but I doubt they would shoot an American who pooped on a Torah scroll.

    Heck, Israel bulldozed an unarmed American woman.

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  161. @Ronald Thomas West

    Seen this?
     
    I have now. I don't give CODOH much attention since they'd tried to suck me into their 'operation' and what I mean by operation is, Paul Eisen not only unmasked himself promoting his own work as a 3rd party but gave himself up through sheer carelessness (or in one of those 'unthinking' rages dishonest persons are prone to when their schemes are being foiled) when he used two email addresses and one of them was tied to a quite informative domain name "@zionism.org"

    Eisen is located in the UK and there is a bona fide zionist website zionism.org.uk. I really don't need to know any more than that, to know CODOH is an entrapment scheme and certainly not what it promotes itself to be. Insofar as who's behind CODOH and its efforts to suck people in to a forum where they can later be damned for participating .. my guess would be some organization along the lines of the Israeli Internet Defense Force (and just how dumb are all of those neo-nazi types who check into what could easily be a personal information phishing site.)

    I “know” Paul Eisen. I don’t think he’s actually involved w/CODOH. Rather, the CODOH person who posts here at Unz seems to think that Eisen is a worthwhile Jew. Which reminds me of the following:

    Und dann kommen sie alle, alle die braven 80 Millionen Deutschen, und jeder hat seinen anständigen Juden. Sagt: alle anderen sind Schweine, und hier ist ein prima Jude.

    Und zugesehen, es durchgestanden hat keiner. Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heisst, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen. Und dies durchgehalten zu haben, und dabei — abgesehen von menschlichen Ausnahmeschwächen — anständig geblieben zu sein, hat uns hart gemacht und ist ein niemals genanntes und niemals zu nennendes Ruhmesblatt.

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    Interesting quote. Sort of reminds me of what Harry Belafonte had to say about Colin Powell.

    You're suggesting someone here (or at CODOH) is spoofing Eisen's identity? I don't think that squares with the 'zionism.org' mail address linked to Eisen's name checked out as valid. The settings in the software he contacted myself through supposedly requires valid addresses. In any case, that domain name associated with a heavy CODOH recruitment effort stinks to high heaven.

    Paul Eisen certainly seemed to be the party who initiated and pursued the attempt to bring me into the CODOH forum. But the other address was 'surnamed' @codoh.com .. so who knows.

    In any case, I'd suggest anyone with the ability to pull together two nit-wits to make a half-wit avoid interacting in CODOH (if they care about phenomena prone to come back and bite people on the butt.)
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  162. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Fran Macadam
    Thank God for decent Jewish people who see Geller's bigotry for what it is. History proves that every ethnic group has among it the intolerant and mad, which history also teaches it is important to recognize and call out, as too often these megalomaniacs have infected whole countries by sowing fear through their demagoguery, especially in times of financial insecurity.

    This problem is thoroughly human. The racists who seized control of a bankrupted Germany in the 1930s infamously claimed that Germans who were Jewish really were not German because they weren't civilized or fully human, even going so far as to term them vermin. The societal problems had been allowed to fester and grow to become insoluble by normal political means, so unscrupulous power seekers offered up phoney scapegoats to blame.

    But of course the Jews in Germany were German and as fully human as any of us. Thus it should be no surprise that some demagogues who happen to be Jewish have arisen and gained power based on the seemingly insoluble contradictions inherent in modern Israel, an anachronism in our modern age, a nation that still confers full citizenship on the basis of a single religion and supposed race. Obviously, this is an anomaly in our modern world - nations that practiced apartheid, as in late Afrikaaner South Africa became pariah states. The irony is not that a nuclear armed South Africa's last ally was Israel, but that a nation of people persecuted and subjected to racist genocide should adopt the very definitions of citizenship and deformed human rights of their persecutors as their own.

    Hannah Arendt, a leading philosopher of the 20th century who bequeathed to us a deeper understanding of the origins of totalitarianism, recognized that a persecuted people can be betrayed by their own leaders, who cooperate in their holocaust with oppressors. This is an old story, that conquest never occurs without betrayal and collaboration. Arendt, Jewish herself, became an outcast among unthinking Zionists for her truth-telling, which opposed the sort of bifurcations about good and evil of whole peoples that Geller propagates.

    The banality of evil is that very ordinary people with extraordinarily tone deaf consciences, such as Geller, can become through their moral blindness the very Eichmanns they supposedly oppose, and if unopposed, lead others down the same historically destructive paths. In an America where so many are in financial straits from which donorized politicians have no answers for us, Geller's scapegoating message that creates a distracting illusion of "enemies" to fight and destroy also powers the very profitable drive for wars, as it has in the past.

    The Germans have started two major wars and committed major genocides such as the Herero and Holocaust in recent memory. According to your logic then, wouldn’t this be evidence that the Germans are psychopathic and a threat to non-Germans, and that non-Germans should regard and treat them as such?

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  163. @Andrew E. Mathis
    Know what my problems are with CODOH? It's all very simple, and it has nothing to do with free speech and everything to with truly open debate. Here it is:

    (1) CODOH is moderated by Hannover, who also is a participant. This is indisputable. Anytime someone gets Hannover into a corner on CODOH, the "moderator" pulls his fat from the fire. That, at the very least, indicates that the debate there is rigged. That makes Hannover dishonest.

    (2) While (1) wouldn't be a big deal, then what Hannover does is brag about how he and the other imbeciles at CODOH have "demolished" those people who have given up on a fair debate. That makes Hannover not just dishonest but obnoxious to boot.

    (3) While (1) and (2) would be excusable, this being the Internet and everything, Hannover did these things while he was working a government job. That means he used taxpayer money. That makes him not just dishonest and obnoxious, but also a thief.

    Anyway, all I ever wanted was a shot at Hannover outside of CODOH, but he won't go anywhere where he can't control the debate.

    It's all irrelevant at this point. The guy's retired. I merely thought Mr. West would find the story interesting.

    how is that substantially different from what goes on at Mondoweiss, or DailyKos?

    there is no site (that I am aware of) that discusses foreign policy therefore US-Israel relations and Jewish influence in US that is not managed at some choke-point by a Jewish person/filter.

    Informed Comment used to have honest, non-toxic, substantive debates on Israel-US issues but now that Clemons is at Atlantic, that has dried up.

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    Moderators at DailyKos and Mondoweiss aren't allowed to dedicate entire threads to how their censored opposition have been "demolished" in a rigged debate. Nor is it likely, although I don't know for sure, that the moderators at this site are also employed by the state government and perform their moderation duties while on the clock.
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  164. @Andrew E. Mathis
    I "know" Paul Eisen. I don't think he's actually involved w/CODOH. Rather, the CODOH person who posts here at Unz seems to think that Eisen is a worthwhile Jew. Which reminds me of the following:

    Und dann kommen sie alle, alle die braven 80 Millionen Deutschen, und jeder hat seinen anständigen Juden. Sagt: alle anderen sind Schweine, und hier ist ein prima Jude.

    Und zugesehen, es durchgestanden hat keiner. Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heisst, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen. Und dies durchgehalten zu haben, und dabei -- abgesehen von menschlichen Ausnahmeschwächen -- anständig geblieben zu sein, hat uns hart gemacht und ist ein niemals genanntes und niemals zu nennendes Ruhmesblatt.

    Interesting quote. Sort of reminds me of what Harry Belafonte had to say about Colin Powell.

    You’re suggesting someone here (or at CODOH) is spoofing Eisen’s identity? I don’t think that squares with the ‘zionism.org’ mail address linked to Eisen’s name checked out as valid. The settings in the software he contacted myself through supposedly requires valid addresses. In any case, that domain name associated with a heavy CODOH recruitment effort stinks to high heaven.

    Paul Eisen certainly seemed to be the party who initiated and pursued the attempt to bring me into the CODOH forum. But the other address was ‘surnamed’ @codoh.com .. so who knows.

    In any case, I’d suggest anyone with the ability to pull together two nit-wits to make a half-wit avoid interacting in CODOH (if they care about phenomena prone to come back and bite people on the butt.)

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    No. Having read your post, here's what I think happened.

    The person from CODOH who posts here at Unz read your blog post on Holocaust denial and decided to comment on it. I assume that the comment policy requires the use of an e-mail address. The person who posted, not wanting to post his real e-mail address, just made one up that ended in @zionism.org — or he used a legitimate e-mail address for Paul Eisen because he didn't want to use his own.

    Paul moderates his own forum, so it's unlikely that he'd want to drag you over to CODOH.
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  165. KA says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Two points Irish - first, Muslim leaders do go public and overwhelmingly condemn terrorist acts but you just don't see it in the media. Second, when I refer to "palpably ridiculous" I am meaning that the political mathematics of it are such that it ain't gonna happen here no matter what some of them might want. I am no apologist for Islam believe me and I favor shooting terrorists on sight but Geller is garbage.

    “In the late 50s, I visited the US for the first time. A major New York radio station invited me for an interview. Later they cautioned me: “You can criticize the President (Dwight D. Eisenhower) and the Secretary of State (John Foster Dulles) to your heart’s content, but please don’t criticize Israeli leaders!” At the last moment the interview was cancelled altogether, and the Iraqi ambassador was invited instead. Criticism was apparently tolerable when it came from an Arab, but absolutely not coming from an Israeli.

    In 1970, the respected American “Fellowship of Reconciliation” invited me for a lecture tour of 30 universities, under the auspices of the Hillel rabbis. When I arrived in New York, I was informed that 29 of the lectures had been cancelled. The sole rabbi who did not cancel, Balfour Brickner, showed me a secret communication of the “Anti-Defamation League” that proscribed my lectures. It said: “While Knesset Member Avnery can in no way be considered a traitor, his appearance at this time would be deeply divisive” In the end, all the lectures took place under the auspices of Christian chaplains.

    I especially remember a depressing experience in Baltimore. A good Jew, who had volunteered to host me, was angered by the cancellation of my lecture in this city and obstinately insisted on putting it on. We combed the streets of the Jewish quarters–mile upon mile of signs with Jewish names–and did not find a single hall whose manager would agree to let the lecture by a member of the Israeli Knesset take place. In the end, we did hold the lecture in the basement of the building of my host’s apartment–and functionaries of the Jewish community came to protest.

    That year, during Black September, I held a press conference in Washington DC, under the auspices of the Quakers. It seemed to be a huge success. The journalists came straight from a press conference with Prime Minister Golda Meir, and showered me with questions. Almost all the important media were represented–TV networks, radio, the major newspapers. After the planned hour was up, they would not let me go and kept me talking for another hour and a half. But the next day, not a single word appeared in any of the media. Thirty-one years later, in October 2001 I held a press conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, and exactly the same thing happened: many of the media were there, they held me for another hour–and not a word, not a single word, was published.

    In 1968, a very respected American publishing house (Macmillan) brought out a book of mine’ “Israel Without Zionists”, which was later translated into eight other languages. The book described the Israeli-Arab conflict in a very different way and proposed the establishment of a Palestinian state next to Israel–a revolutionary idea at the time. Not a single review appeared in the American media. I checked in one of the most important book stores in New York and did not find the book. When I asked a salesman, he found it buried under a heap of volumes and put it on top. Half an hour later it was hidden again.

    The book dealt with the “Two States for Two peoples” solution long before it became a world-wide consensus, and with my proposal for Israel’s integration in “the Semitic Region”. True, I am an Israeli patriot and was elected to the Knesset by Israeli voters. But I criticized the Israeli government–and that was enough. ”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/10/04/the-power-of-the-israel-lobby/

    Denying relevant information of national importance under pressure or fear or from jaundiced views or religious partisanship by the media is the worst crime that the media can commit agaisnt the sanctity of the idea of the Free Speech.

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  166. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    compendium cliches dept.

    I attended a play in San Jose California about 10 years ago about Arendt and Heidegger ( a sure thing for the local liberals/jews/theata folks.) Besides the cliches therein, compleat with a platinum blonde limp-wristed nazi, it stunk.

    However, an old grey head stood up in the Q and A period after the play and announced that his uncle had dated Arendt in Germany...something like that. And uncle was a communist...all these folks are jews herein. Uncle said that all the jews around his family were either zionists, communists or socialists. I am not making this up.

    Of course there must have been a few loyal (to Germany) jews, but not many. Thus the Jews are just like the rest of us with a few bad apples.

    To state that evil is banal is pretty stupid. Evil is a word I do not bother with. I use a psychological term....Psychopath. A psychopath is one without any human empathy, and thus can kill his mother, his child, etc.

    This is a very interesting disorder and gets most people pretty excited. Banal? please. What you do with psychopaths is you kill them. The vikings exiled them and if they came home, they were killed.

    To say that nazis were evil is , sorry, banal, or just stupid. People have a tendency to kill Others who are trying to harm them, or are perceived as such. That is merely human nature. It helps a tribe survive other tribes or psychopaths from within.

    Some races have managed to reduce the violence but it will never be eliminated. that is why small wars are better than big wars. That is why nationalism will occasionally produce small wars, but by definition cannot produce big wars. Any combination of alliances between states is dangerous.

    If Ukraine and Russia need to fight it out...let them. Otoh, putting together opposing teams of countries to intervene in Russia/Ukraine is stupid...it just makes things worse. That is what we got now....New World Order/Nato/EU/LIberal International Capitalism, neocons ....to go to war with Russia?

    Pretty dumb. Russia of course has its national interest to protect. The people on the ground are the people who have Standing. If the Ruskies and the Ukrainians want to fight it out...let them. But don't call them communists and nazis. Just stupidity again. It is nationalism, that is all.

    And it cannot be stopped. It can be escalated beyond a local war, and that is where the, can I say, psychopaths that lead us , come in. Neocons, crusaders, liberal free traders, Israel Firsters....all are psychopaths, but there is no way to deal with them (kill them) so we have to lurch forward into god knows what.

    So we continue to expose the worst of them...that would be us doing the exposing....of the neocons, nato, etc. and defend Russia for doing what its national interest requires on its own borders. We can point out that if the shoe were on the other foot...Canadian or Mexican border...the bomb, bomb, bomb McCains would be chimping out, and the jews would yawn and write letters home to mom and dad
    in Israel.

    Likewise...on the matter of everybody is everybody department, you may have noticed that the cherubic dufus, Kim , King of N. Korea, has executed an opponent who insulted him, maybe with an anti-aircraft gun per NYT, in front of those in need of a reminder as to who's boss. Anti-aircraft gun?? About a 20 or 30 millimeter type barrel....quite a spectacular shower of guts and body parts.

    Get the point? Oriental Despotism. They are not like us. never have been and never will be.
    The Jews? Dunno....so far it don't look so good. Arabs? ditto. Blacks? ditto, and so on. Whites are the most humane of races...warts yes, and capable of inter-ethnic warfare...so what? Think about the Other races. Think about China and keep those ICBMS warmed-up.



    Joe Webb

    The Germans have started two major wars and committed major genocides such as the Herero and Holocaust in recent periods. According to your logic then, wouldn’t this be evidence that the Germans are psychopathic and a threat to non-Germans, and that non-Germans should regard and treat them as such?

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    total nonsense/untruth. Various revisionist historians have pretty much set the record straight.
    ...on the wars.


    my logic on posychopaths was this.....they have zero empathetic emotion for anybody, therefore , kill them.

    Germans and everybody else, unless castrated by liberal Humanitarians, fight for their people. It is that simple.

    I used to be anti-zionist, but now I am not. Jews do what comes naturally. However, arguably they go too far...don't know when to stop...Euphrates to the Nile, that sort of thing. The OT is Darwinian and the Talmudists are hyper Darwinian...social darwinists, etc and way over the top.

    Whatever the Jews are , they are not psychopaths. Just over the top, the top being a reasonable kind of nationalism that recognizes that other peoples/races have their right to their own lands, these 'rights' not being holy or inalienable, but simply common sense to keep the peace.

    Jews do not seem to recognize this principle. It still does not make them psychopaths, just very dangerous people, whom sooner or later will be wiped out, unless they Change!, which is unlikely with their Talmudic nut case. Those who assimilate are another story, and that seems to be happening to some degree.

    As , was it a Commentary Jew?... said recently, that American Exceptionalism is akin to Zionism.
    This is true and is so cuz, the American Religion takes its basis from Jehovah's rants. Kill everybody in our way. The role of the Talmudists in subverting Protestant Christianity starting way back in the Reformation is hugely important, and etc, etc...tho the neocons, a jewish cabal totally out in the open cuz the Protestant "Christians" live in the OT, especially the Fundamentalists. America the New Isreal, etc.

    As for the jewish people compared to the german people..It was the Morganthau Plan that wanted to exterminate the germans, etc. turn Germany into a pastoralist economy. FDR liked the Morganthau Plan but thought it went a little too far. As it was with our bombing of German cities, it was pure OT, kill them all. Ike and others killed a couple million or so germans after the war. And, for comedy, look at the jews at the Nuremberg trials.

    So let us have a vote: which, the germans or the jews, would tend more toward the psychopathic?
    Right now, probably the germans inasmuch as , per my definition of a psychopath, they want to kill their holocaust deniers, haters, nazis, and racialists like many on this list. The Jews don't kill their own, at least in recent times.

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  167. @solontoCroesus
    how is that substantially different from what goes on at Mondoweiss, or DailyKos?

    there is no site (that I am aware of) that discusses foreign policy therefore US-Israel relations and Jewish influence in US that is not managed at some choke-point by a Jewish person/filter.

    Informed Comment used to have honest, non-toxic, substantive debates on Israel-US issues but now that Clemons is at Atlantic, that has dried up.

    Moderators at DailyKos and Mondoweiss aren’t allowed to dedicate entire threads to how their censored opposition have been “demolished” in a rigged debate. Nor is it likely, although I don’t know for sure, that the moderators at this site are also employed by the state government and perform their moderation duties while on the clock.

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  168. @Ronald Thomas West
    Interesting quote. Sort of reminds me of what Harry Belafonte had to say about Colin Powell.

    You're suggesting someone here (or at CODOH) is spoofing Eisen's identity? I don't think that squares with the 'zionism.org' mail address linked to Eisen's name checked out as valid. The settings in the software he contacted myself through supposedly requires valid addresses. In any case, that domain name associated with a heavy CODOH recruitment effort stinks to high heaven.

    Paul Eisen certainly seemed to be the party who initiated and pursued the attempt to bring me into the CODOH forum. But the other address was 'surnamed' @codoh.com .. so who knows.

    In any case, I'd suggest anyone with the ability to pull together two nit-wits to make a half-wit avoid interacting in CODOH (if they care about phenomena prone to come back and bite people on the butt.)

    No. Having read your post, here’s what I think happened.

    The person from CODOH who posts here at Unz read your blog post on Holocaust denial and decided to comment on it. I assume that the comment policy requires the use of an e-mail address. The person who posted, not wanting to post his real e-mail address, just made one up that ended in @zionism.org — or he used a legitimate e-mail address for Paul Eisen because he didn’t want to use his own.

    Paul moderates his own forum, so it’s unlikely that he’d want to drag you over to CODOH.

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    I'll note that possibility at the post .. although supposedly spoofed addresses can't come through.
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  169. KA says:
    @Avery
    There is no such thing as “free speech” for private entities such as a privately owned web site.
    First amendment only applies to the government.
    Any privately owned web site can flush any posted comments they don’t like: their private business. For any number of reasons or no reason at all.

    I write many comments at many different sites.
    Most get published. But some don't.
    That's the way it goes: anything that gets published is a bonus.

    btw: Ron Unz, the owner of this site is Jewish.
    I see a lot of comments by posters that are Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israel.
    And Mr. GIRALDI, the author of this article, is not shy about criticizing Israel, and he regularly gets to write articles @unz.com.

    Those private media or other entities who lie to wage wars and promote wars need to be removed from the circulation .They are toxic .Thier existence isn’t secured by any partciluar immutable law or divine rights .
    Incitement to violence behind the glass doors of the most decorated builidng in one of the most coveted real estate or on TV screens sporting the photogenic and telegenic facade of importance and expertsie based on false claims should be treated the same way as the violent internet trolls or sermons or writings are treated .The wise or modertae looking appearnces , western names /dresses or titles shouldnt obscure the vision or the foresight.

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    {“Those private media or other entities who lie to wage wars and promote wars need to be removed from the circulation .They are toxic .Thier existence isn’t secured by any partciluar immutable law or divine rights .”}

    You are right: private entities are not protected by either immutable law or divine right.
    Even the cherished 1st amendment can be – amended, by amending the US Constitution.

    And you have every right to “remove from circulation” any of those private media, provided you legally and peacefully use the tools the System provides: sue them into bankruptcy; start your own web site or blog (like unz.com) and counter their toxicity; organize boycotts (…not very effective); become rich and buy MSM outlets and promote your message;……
    , @Avery
    btw: about the war promoting thing.

    I know who Wolfowitz is, and Richard Pearl, and all the other psychos who were braying for war.
    But I also know that neither Dick Cheeeney nor Gee Dubya are Jewish: they are WASPs.
    Ultimately, (acting) US President Cheney ordered CIA to stovepipe intelligence to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, and (acting) US President Cheney ordered Pentagon to invade Iraq.
    No matter how much Jewish-Americans in the Pentagon advocated for war, it was the good old WASP blue-bloods who gave to order.

    Are you willing then to "remove" (charge with war crimes) those "entities" who not only promote, but actually wage war ?

    President Johnson was not Jewish: yet he _ordered_ 6th fleet to stand down, as it was rushing to assist USS Liberty under attack by Israeli jets.

    How about it ?
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  170. @Andrew E. Mathis
    No. Having read your post, here's what I think happened.

    The person from CODOH who posts here at Unz read your blog post on Holocaust denial and decided to comment on it. I assume that the comment policy requires the use of an e-mail address. The person who posted, not wanting to post his real e-mail address, just made one up that ended in @zionism.org — or he used a legitimate e-mail address for Paul Eisen because he didn't want to use his own.

    Paul moderates his own forum, so it's unlikely that he'd want to drag you over to CODOH.

    I’ll note that possibility at the post .. although supposedly spoofed addresses can’t come through.

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  171. Avery says:
    @KA
    Those private media or other entities who lie to wage wars and promote wars need to be removed from the circulation .They are toxic .Thier existence isn't secured by any partciluar immutable law or divine rights .
    Incitement to violence behind the glass doors of the most decorated builidng in one of the most coveted real estate or on TV screens sporting the photogenic and telegenic facade of importance and expertsie based on false claims should be treated the same way as the violent internet trolls or sermons or writings are treated .The wise or modertae looking appearnces , western names /dresses or titles shouldnt obscure the vision or the foresight.

    {“Those private media or other entities who lie to wage wars and promote wars need to be removed from the circulation .They are toxic .Thier existence isn’t secured by any partciluar immutable law or divine rights .”}

    You are right: private entities are not protected by either immutable law or divine right.
    Even the cherished 1st amendment can be – amended, by amending the US Constitution.

    And you have every right to “remove from circulation” any of those private media, provided you legally and peacefully use the tools the System provides: sue them into bankruptcy; start your own web site or blog (like unz.com) and counter their toxicity; organize boycotts (…not very effective); become rich and buy MSM outlets and promote your message;……

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    Yes ,legally and peacefully. So the wold should wait until the media ,academia,and then the politicians start openly talking about Turkeys role in Armenian genocide . Armenian should wait and not beseech USA or France to force the acceptance of the 1915 genocide responsibilities on the Turks. Neither it should try to get to UNSC and depend on the 5 permanent members . The legality and the peace always break down at this venue - all resolution on Iran and Iraq are binding and no resolutions on Israel are binding .
    You can argue this to be the current state of affairs . Sure 1915 was the current state of affairs in 1915.

    Then the question of justice. Sure Justice department doesn't tell Americans why it failed to pursue so many cases involving spying,arms and nuclear smuggling by Israel that have been periodically exposed from 1947.
    Or why it didn't ask ABC how and why it connected anthrax to Saddam or why Fox suppressed 911 story . There are other equally repugnant story like failing to follow up the news that Fox was trying to buy even the presidency when it approached Petreus . Fox told it was a prank and that was the end . It didn't take Fox to court when one anchor basically said she wanted to kill all Muslim .There have been a lot of Pamella type presence on Fox inciting violence against Muslim .
    I guess these are all free speech , the scared chants that removes all guilt and solidifies sense of belonging to superman-übermensch .
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  172. Avery says:
    @KA
    Those private media or other entities who lie to wage wars and promote wars need to be removed from the circulation .They are toxic .Thier existence isn't secured by any partciluar immutable law or divine rights .
    Incitement to violence behind the glass doors of the most decorated builidng in one of the most coveted real estate or on TV screens sporting the photogenic and telegenic facade of importance and expertsie based on false claims should be treated the same way as the violent internet trolls or sermons or writings are treated .The wise or modertae looking appearnces , western names /dresses or titles shouldnt obscure the vision or the foresight.

    btw: about the war promoting thing.

    I know who Wolfowitz is, and Richard Pearl, and all the other psychos who were braying for war.
    But I also know that neither Dick Cheeeney nor Gee Dubya are Jewish: they are WASPs.
    Ultimately, (acting) US President Cheney ordered CIA to stovepipe intelligence to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, and (acting) US President Cheney ordered Pentagon to invade Iraq.
    No matter how much Jewish-Americans in the Pentagon advocated for war, it was the good old WASP blue-bloods who gave to order.

    Are you willing then to “remove” (charge with war crimes) those “entities” who not only promote, but actually wage war ?

    President Johnson was not Jewish: yet he _ordered_ 6th fleet to stand down, as it was rushing to assist USS Liberty under attack by Israeli jets.

    How about it ?

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    President Johnson was not Jewish: yet he _ordered_ 6th fleet to stand down, as it was rushing to assist USS Liberty under attack by Israeli jets.
    How about it ?
     
    http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/how-lbj-s-vietnam-war-paralyzed-his-mideast-policymakers.html

    Mathilde Galland Danon Krim, born in Italy, raised Roman Catholic, converted to Lutheran, met and married Jewish terrorist David Danon, converted to Judaism, became a terrorist for Israel, divorced Danon, married movie exec and Democratic party money man and Israel supporter Arthur Krim who bought a house for Mathilde nearby LBJ's ranch in Texas, Arthur and Mathilde worked extensively for Israel's interests. ---->


    ...After reassuring Eshkol of America's interest in Israel's safety, the draft message cautioned: "It is essential that Israel not take any preemptive military action and thereby make itself responsible for the initiation of hostilities." The president strengthened the warning by adding two words so that the sentence read, "It is essential that Israel JUST MUST NOT take any preemptive military action. . ."

    On June 3, Johnson traveled to New York to deliver a speech at a Democratic Party fund-raising dinner. He moved on to a $1,000-a-plate dinner dance, sponsored by the President's Club of New York, whose chairman was Arthur Krim. While at the table, fund-raiser Abe Feinberg leaned over the shoulder of Mathilde Krim, seated next to Johnson, and whispered: "Mr. President, it [Israel's attack] can't be held any longer. It's going to be within the next 24 hours."

    On June 4, Johnson went to the home of his close adviser and friend, Justice Abe Fortas. The following day, June 5, Rostow woke Johnson with a phone call at 4:30 a.m. "War has broken out," Rostow said. The Israelis had attacked Egypt and Syria.

    Mathilde Krim was a guest at the White House and, before going to the Oval Office, and apparently before waking Lady Bird or notifying anyone else, Johnson dropped by the bedroom where Mathilde was sleeping and gave her the news: "The war has started."

    At 7:45 a.m., Johnson talked—for the first time—on the hot line with Moscow. Soviet Premier Aleksi Kosygin expressed the hope that the United States would restrain Israel. Both leaders vowed to work for a cease-fire.

    On that day—June 5, 1967—I walked the White House corridors as the telephone lines and news tickers recorded developments of the first morning of the war that would change the Middle East. I learned that in the war's first hours, Israeli planes had destroyed the air forces of both Egypt and Syria on the ground.

    Unconcealable Glee

    Several U.S. officials in a State Department Operations Room briefing could not conceal their glee over Israel's successes. With a wide smile, Eugene Rostow said, "Gentlemen, gentlemen, do not forget that we are neutral in word, thought and deed."

    At the State Department's noon briefing on June 5, press spokesman Robert J. McCloskey repeated those words for reporters. (Since the U.S. was not neutral but totally supportive of Israel, however, this statement would need—over the next several weeks—endless clarification.)

    Also on June 5, Arthur Krim wrote a memo to the president saying: "Many arms shipments are packed and ready to go to Israel, but are being held up. It would be helpful if these could be released." Johnson got the shipments on their way.

    Walt Rostow, in a memo to the president, referred to the results of Israel's surprise attack on Egypt and Syria as "the first day's turkey shoot." On June 6, in another memo to the president, Walt Rostow recommended that the Israelis not be forced to withdraw from the territories they had seized—short of peace treaties with the Arab states.

    "If the Israelis go fast enough and the Soviets get worried enough," he wrote, "a simple cease-fire might be the best answer. This would mean that we could use the de facto situation on the ground to try to negotiate not a return to armistice lines but a definitive peace in the Middle East."

    Mathilde Krim, still a guest in the White House, left for meetings in New York. Before departing, however, she wrote out a statement supportive of Israel which she asked the president to deliver "verbatim to the American people." Johnson was sufficiently impressed with her comments to, later in the day, read some of them to Secretary of State Dean Rusk. But the president did not, as she had asked, read them to the American people. . . .

    While there can be no moral justification for the White House cover-up orders to the Navy after the assault on the Liberty, from hindsight Johnson's political motivation is obvious. It was the same motivation that led him subsequently to listen to the Jewish friends and advisers who urged him not to put any pressure on the Israelis to relinquish territories they had seized in the Six-Day War.

    In 1967, President Johnson felt he needed all the support he could get to I 'win" in Vietnam. Many American Jews were liberals outspokenly opposed to the war there. Johnson was told if he gave all out support to Israel—which would include ignoring the Israeli attack on the Libertyinfluential Jewish Americans would stop opposing his Vietnam policies.
     

    The guy who pulls the trigger is not necessarily the one who starts the war.
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  173. geokat62 says:
    @solontoCroesus
    I hate to disagree with you geokatt62 and also with Fran Macadam because I frequently respect your thoughtful comments.

    I think Fran's analysis is based on an incomplete and distorted historical account of WWI, the events of the intervening period, and of WWII (plus the decade or so afterward).

    Rather than type another of what I consider a more accurate history of "the whole offense", consider the situation more factually and less from the "philosophical" viewpoint:

    Fran wrote: "History proves that every ethnic group has among it the intolerant and mad, which history also teaches it is important to recognize and call out, as too often these megalomaniacs have infected whole countries by sowing fear through their demagoguery, especially in times of financial insecurity.
    This problem is thoroughly human.


    The racists who seized control of a bankrupted Germany in the 1930s infamously claimed that Germans who were Jewish really were not German because they weren’t civilized or fully human, even going so far as to term them vermin. The societal problems had been allowed to fester and grow to become insoluble by normal political means, so unscrupulous power seekers offered up phoney scapegoats to blame.
    But of course the Jews in Germany were German and as fully human as any of us."

    Germany's ambassador Hans Luther rejected the charge of bigotry. According to a report in the Jewish Telegraph, in comments in New York in May 1933, Luther said:


    Prejudice against the Jews, he said, was due to their tendency toward movements of a communistic nature, and to the fact that nearly fifty percent of the government officails have been Jews, although the total Jewish population was only one percent. He denied emphatically that there had been any “atrocities”.

    He asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War. . . .

    Dr. Luther described the misery of German students who had to wait for years after graduating in order to obtain positions in the professions. Even before the War, he said, the legal and medical professions in Berlin, Frankfurt and other large cities were almost monopolized by certain people whose activities the German people could not consider as German.

    After the War, came the influx of East European Jews, he declared. Because of Germany’s political prostration, there was no means of excluding undesirable immigrants such as other nations had. Before the War, he said, anti-Semitism in Germany had no political importance. Later, this inclination against the elements which had a leading role in Marxist stories contributed greatly to the embitterment of the people.

    Dr. Luther asked newspapermen present not to forget that of 1,700 Jewish lawyers in Berlin, 1,200 had been considered worthy of being readmitted to practice. The measures against the Jews, he asserted, were taken only that those Jews who are alien to the German nation, should not continue any longer in important judicial and administrative posts.

    He also praised the character of the Nazi revolution which he described as bloodless.
     

    No vermin.
    No "inhuman Jews."
    No name calling.

    Check Luther's facts and complaints: did they comport with reality, and were they legitimate grievances, given the state of Germany post-war, post-famine, post-revolution, and in the context of Versailles treaty obligations that nearly the entire world, including many of the people who drafted the Treaty, agreed were outrageously and dangerously inequitable.


    Also, consider how American would react to an "influx" of foreign nationals intent on subverting the American political order. How would the American people react? How would the American people demand that their government respond to shore up American Constitutional principles in the face of an attack by outsiders who sought to impose an alien system of government?

    Were Bolshevik Communists infiltrating Germany and attempting to subvert its political system?


    [Grigory Zinoviev] was a Bolshevik revolutionary and a Soviet Communist politician. He was one of the seven members of the first legendary Politburo, founded in 1917 in order to manage the Bolshevik Revolution. . .
    Zinoviev is best remembered as the longtime head of the Communist International and the architect of several failed attempts to transform Germany into a communist country during the early 1920s. He was in competition against Joseph Stalin who eliminated him from the Soviet political leadership. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev#
     
    Zinoviev's activities in Germany frequently involved street-riots and assassinations.

    How were the German people faring in the midst of political and economic turmoil?

    from "Lords of Finance: The Bankers who Broke the World," by Liaquat Ahamed:


    "On Nov. 5 [1923] the price of a two-kilo loaf of bread had soared from 20 billion marks to 140 billion, sparking off nationwide riots. In Berlin, thousands of men and women had paraded the streets, shouting "Bread and work!" Over a thousand shops -- bakeries, butchers, and even clothing stores--had been looted. . . . cars were held up and their occupants robbed. In the heavily Jewish areas . . .anyone who was known to be Jewish, or "looked Jewish" had been attacked by gangs of young hoodlums. The worst violence was directed at Galician Jews, [Galicia: region in Eastern Europe that straddles Poland and Ukraine] many of whom had their distinctive beards scissored off or their clothes ripped away. The Borse, the stock exchange, had come under siege by a mob shouting, "Kill the Borse Jews."

    By the end of the evening on Nov 8, the streets were at last quiet, the mobs dispersed at bayonet point by military police. Heavily armed Prussian state police in green uniforms now patrolled the city. . . .the weather turned extremely cold. That night it began to rain, making life even more difficult for those innumerable Berliners forced to queue up outside the municipal food kitchens and public feeding stations spread across the city. . . .

    Despite the riots and the rain, the infamously louche and tawdry nightlife of Berlin--that "new Babylon of the world" -- continued unabated. ...along the Kurfurstendamm, the bars and dance halls were, as always, full. As on every night, hordes of prostitutes of both sexes--there were said to be a hundred thousand of them in Berlin alone--paraded outside . . . "A kind of madness" had taken hold of the city, unhinging the whole society. Fortunes were made overnight and as quickly lost or dissipated. Those with money, desperate to get rid of it before it became worthless, indulged in giddy frenzies of spending, while those without sold what few possessions remained to them, including their bodies, in the struggle to survive. A quarter of the city's schoolchildren suffered from malnutrition.

    Berlin had never been an elegant city. . . .But it had rightly prided itself on being the cleanest and most modern metropolis in Europe. Now it was shabby and going to seed, faded and run down like a "stone-grey corpse," infested by "beggars, whores, invalids and fat-necked speculators," its streets crowded by "legless war veterans riding the sidewalks on rolling planks" and by stunted, bowlegged children bent out of shape by rickets."
     

    One major point to absorb is that anger toward Jews in Germany was from the bottom-up and not top-down. As will be noted later, once the NSDAP gained power, they quelled unrest especially toward Jews.

    Another detail to make note of is the malnourished condition of German children.

    Far too few histories of WWI and of Germany spend an adequate amount of time on the implications and consequences of the fact that 800,000 German civilians were starved to death as a result of the blockade of Germany that included previously-proscribed foodstuffs in World War I. It is estimated that between 35,000 and 50,000 of those deaths occurred as a consequence of the extension of the blockade for almost a year after Germany's surrender, which was done in order to coerce Germany to sign Versailles treaty.

    Based on the cavalier treatment of those 800,000 deaths in Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement," coupled with the fact that Jewish aid societies were active in Poland and Germany to ensure that Jews in those states had access to either direct food aid or the black market, it is reasonable to suppose that very few if any Jewish people were among the dead or among the rickets-afflicted children that crowded German orphanages in the post-war period.

    Try to think how you would react if your niece or grandchild starved to death, or if your daughter's newborn lived but suffered for the rest of his life because of nutritional deficiencies during his gestation and early days -- a child forever physically and neurologically damaged.

    Precisely those situations occurred throughout Germany in the post-war period. When Jewish leaders -- Samuel Untermyer, Stephen Wise, Louis Brandeis among others -- sought to implement Brandeis's directive of Feb. 14, 1933 that "all Jews must leave Germany," one of the tactics used was the imposition of a boycott of German exports "upon which Germany's existence depended" -- it was a deliberate existential threat to Germany.

    Moreover, as Black explains, the tactic of boycott was employed precisely because the Jewish leaders who planned it were well aware that a boycott would summon up from present memory the dread and horror experienced in the WWI famine.

    ----

    Was Hans Luther lying through his teeth when he claimed that no atrocities occurred in Germany, or were the propagandists working overtime to demonize Germany and recycling WWI atrocity propaganda to do so?

    Here's how Richard Breitman and Allen Lichtman help us to discover the reality of the situation:


    "[B]efore the war Nazi oppression of German Jews followed a jagged trajectory. Some Nazi activists physically assaulted Jews in the early exuberant days of Hitler's semi legal revolution. Once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence but enacted a series of discriminatory laws and decrees . . .against Jews. Only in late 1938 . . .for the first time, the Gestapo imprisoned tens of thousands of German Jews in concentration camps that also held other alleged enemies of Hitler's new Reich." http://www.amazon.com/FDR-Jews-Richard-Breitman/dp/0674416740/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431559925&sr=8-1&keywords=fdr+and+the+jews
     
    Thus, between Hitler's accession to power in Jan. 1933 and mid-November 1938, Jews were neither the target of physical violence nor detained in camps.

    Nevertheless, as Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded in his autobiography, by Feb. 14, 1933 Louis Brandeis had directed that "all Jews must leave Germany." Wise was tasked with removing "587,000 German Jews" from Germany, preferably to Palestine.

    The import of Brandeis's directive cannot be overstated.

    As Wise also notes in his autobiography, most Jews did not wish to leave Germany. Wise refused to honor the numerous requests he received from German Jews to call off the anti-German agitation being carried out by Jewish leaders in US, Britain and Poland. At one such anti-German rally in Philadelphia, only three German Jews were part of the crowd.

    One of the tactics used to whip up stress in Germany was the boycott, first announced in a British newspaper report on March 24, 1933, Judea Declare[d] War On Germany; Jews of All the World Unite In Action [to]Boycott German Goods." The goal was to destroy Germany's export trade, which "Germany depended upon for its existence."

    Without export trade, Germany could not acquire the currency necessary to pay Poland the transit fees that Poland demanded to ship coal across now-Polish East Prussia and into Germany. Coal was essential to German industry as well as to heat German homes.

    Edwin Black explains in "The Transfer Agreement" that the Jewish leaders who organized the boycott were perfectly well aware of the gut-wrenching fear that a boycott would provoke in Germans who had a present memory of mass starvation in WWI.

    Given these few facts and circumstances, Fran Macadam, I don't ascribe the actions of Germany's leaders to "megalomania" or "demagoguery" or "racism." German leaders reacted to dire circumstances in as measured and "bloodless" a way as could be accomplished to achieve goals essential for the wellbeing of the German people -- to whom they were responsible. Between 1933 and late 1938 they were successful, both in protecting the Jewish people and in re-establishing order and civility among the German people.

    As Eric Margolis pointed out in a recent article, Stalin killed far more people than Adolf Hitler, including 6 million Ukrainians liquidated in the early 1930’s. While Stalin was starving 6 million Ukrainians and Jewish leaders were boycotting Germany, invoking the specter of starvation among Germans, Germans were "curbing personal violence against Jews."

    In the logic that has come to characterize American foreign policy, Germany was made the enemy and Stalin the ally.

    The absurdity of evil.

    @S2C

    Writing “one of your better posts” does not necessarily mean I agree with with everything Fran wrote. I was simply expressing my satisfaction that her latest post was moving in the right direction relative to her previous postings.

    If we are engaged in a battle of ideas, we need to win over the “hearts and minds” of as many people as we can, but by always adhering to the truth!

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  174. @Avery
    btw: about the war promoting thing.

    I know who Wolfowitz is, and Richard Pearl, and all the other psychos who were braying for war.
    But I also know that neither Dick Cheeeney nor Gee Dubya are Jewish: they are WASPs.
    Ultimately, (acting) US President Cheney ordered CIA to stovepipe intelligence to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, and (acting) US President Cheney ordered Pentagon to invade Iraq.
    No matter how much Jewish-Americans in the Pentagon advocated for war, it was the good old WASP blue-bloods who gave to order.

    Are you willing then to "remove" (charge with war crimes) those "entities" who not only promote, but actually wage war ?

    President Johnson was not Jewish: yet he _ordered_ 6th fleet to stand down, as it was rushing to assist USS Liberty under attack by Israeli jets.

    How about it ?

    President Johnson was not Jewish: yet he _ordered_ 6th fleet to stand down, as it was rushing to assist USS Liberty under attack by Israeli jets.
    How about it ?

    http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/how-lbj-s-vietnam-war-paralyzed-his-mideast-policymakers.html

    Mathilde Galland Danon Krim, born in Italy, raised Roman Catholic, converted to Lutheran, met and married Jewish terrorist David Danon, converted to Judaism, became a terrorist for Israel, divorced Danon, married movie exec and Democratic party money man and Israel supporter Arthur Krim who bought a house for Mathilde nearby LBJ’s ranch in Texas, Arthur and Mathilde worked extensively for Israel’s interests. —->

    …After reassuring Eshkol of America’s interest in Israel’s safety, the draft message cautioned: “It is essential that Israel not take any preemptive military action and thereby make itself responsible for the initiation of hostilities.” The president strengthened the warning by adding two words so that the sentence read, “It is essential that Israel JUST MUST NOT take any preemptive military action. . .”

    On June 3, Johnson traveled to New York to deliver a speech at a Democratic Party fund-raising dinner. He moved on to a $1,000-a-plate dinner dance, sponsored by the President’s Club of New York, whose chairman was Arthur Krim. While at the table, fund-raiser Abe Feinberg leaned over the shoulder of Mathilde Krim, seated next to Johnson, and whispered: “Mr. President, it [Israel's attack] can’t be held any longer. It’s going to be within the next 24 hours.”

    On June 4, Johnson went to the home of his close adviser and friend, Justice Abe Fortas. The following day, June 5, Rostow woke Johnson with a phone call at 4:30 a.m. “War has broken out,” Rostow said. The Israelis had attacked Egypt and Syria.

    Mathilde Krim was a guest at the White House and, before going to the Oval Office, and apparently before waking Lady Bird or notifying anyone else, Johnson dropped by the bedroom where Mathilde was sleeping and gave her the news: “The war has started.”

    At 7:45 a.m., Johnson talked—for the first time—on the hot line with Moscow. Soviet Premier Aleksi Kosygin expressed the hope that the United States would restrain Israel. Both leaders vowed to work for a cease-fire.

    On that day—June 5, 1967—I walked the White House corridors as the telephone lines and news tickers recorded developments of the first morning of the war that would change the Middle East. I learned that in the war’s first hours, Israeli planes had destroyed the air forces of both Egypt and Syria on the ground.

    Unconcealable Glee

    Several U.S. officials in a State Department Operations Room briefing could not conceal their glee over Israel’s successes. With a wide smile, Eugene Rostow said, “Gentlemen, gentlemen, do not forget that we are neutral in word, thought and deed.”

    At the State Department’s noon briefing on June 5, press spokesman Robert J. McCloskey repeated those words for reporters. (Since the U.S. was not neutral but totally supportive of Israel, however, this statement would need—over the next several weeks—endless clarification.)

    Also on June 5, Arthur Krim wrote a memo to the president saying: “Many arms shipments are packed and ready to go to Israel, but are being held up. It would be helpful if these could be released.” Johnson got the shipments on their way.

    Walt Rostow, in a memo to the president, referred to the results of Israel’s surprise attack on Egypt and Syria as “the first day’s turkey shoot.” On June 6, in another memo to the president, Walt Rostow recommended that the Israelis not be forced to withdraw from the territories they had seized—short of peace treaties with the Arab states.

    “If the Israelis go fast enough and the Soviets get worried enough,” he wrote, “a simple cease-fire might be the best answer. This would mean that we could use the de facto situation on the ground to try to negotiate not a return to armistice lines but a definitive peace in the Middle East.”

    Mathilde Krim, still a guest in the White House, left for meetings in New York. Before departing, however, she wrote out a statement supportive of Israel which she asked the president to deliver “verbatim to the American people.” Johnson was sufficiently impressed with her comments to, later in the day, read some of them to Secretary of State Dean Rusk. But the president did not, as she had asked, read them to the American people. . . .

    While there can be no moral justification for the White House cover-up orders to the Navy after the assault on the Liberty, from hindsight Johnson’s political motivation is obvious. It was the same motivation that led him subsequently to listen to the Jewish friends and advisers who urged him not to put any pressure on the Israelis to relinquish territories they had seized in the Six-Day War.

    In 1967, President Johnson felt he needed all the support he could get to I ‘win” in Vietnam. Many American Jews were liberals outspokenly opposed to the war there. Johnson was told if he gave all out support to Israel—which would include ignoring the Israeli attack on the Libertyinfluential Jewish Americans would stop opposing his Vietnam policies.

    The guy who pulls the trigger is not necessarily the one who starts the war.

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    >> The guy who pulls the trigger is not necessarily the one who starts the war

    To "start" a war, there must first be peace. None of Isrel's neighbors of 1967 had signed peace treaties.

    Egypt's blockading the Port of Eilat was when the prior truce got broken.

    Egypt re-started a fight..... Israel finished it.

    Requesting predictions: how long before the Giraldi-afficianados re-write history to portray Leon Klinghoffer as a terrorist?
    , @Avery
    I am not able to figure out what you are trying to say.
    Can you please clarify.

    In my original post this is what I am asking:
    - a foreign country, Israel, is attacking an unarmed American ship in international waters.
    - armed American ships are rushing to assist their fellow Americans.
    (fighter jets from the aircraft carrier could have been over USS Liberty in minutes, if I am not mistaken)
    - the Commander in Chief of US Armed forces orders US Navy task force to stand down.
    - the attack on USS Liberty continues for several hours more.
    - more American men in uniform are killed and wounded.

    I don't care who or what influenced Pres Johnson or what his motivations were.
    Why is he being given a pass ?
    Why isn't he considered a traitor ?
    Why only (rightly) excoriate Israel ?

    Isn't Johnson a co-conspirator in what amounts to murder of American men in uniform ?
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  175. Curle says:
    @Avery
    [Gunmen kill 45 Shiites riding on a bus in Pakistan’s Karachi]
    http://www.todayszaman.com/world_gunmen-kill-45-shiites-riding-on-a-bus-in-pakistans-karachi_380544.html

    {Gunmen stormed a bus in southern Pakistan and ordered its Shiite Muslim passengers to bow their heads before shooting them, killing at least 45 people in the latest attack targeting religious minority, officials said.}
    {...the attackers killed 45 people, including 16 women, and wounded 13.}

    Either the Americans, or Europeans, or Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists _must_ be somehow involved.

    Otherwise Muslims would not massacre fellow Muslims, would they ?

    You’re kidding, right?

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    Sarcasm.

    I am Armenian-American.
    Orthodox Christian (specifically Armenian Apostolic).
    My ancestors were subjected to Genocide by Muslim Turks.

    I am painfully aware what radical Islam is capable of.

    Armenian Highlands/Asia Minor was 100% Christian.
    Until nomadic Islamized Turkic tribes invaded from East & Central Asia (Uyguristan).
    Asia Minor is now 99.8% Muslim.

    I am painfully aware what radical Islam is capable of.
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  176. Avery says:
    @Curle
    You're kidding, right?

    Sarcasm.

    I am Armenian-American.
    Orthodox Christian (specifically Armenian Apostolic).
    My ancestors were subjected to Genocide by Muslim Turks.

    I am painfully aware what radical Islam is capable of.

    Armenian Highlands/Asia Minor was 100% Christian.
    Until nomadic Islamized Turkic tribes invaded from East & Central Asia (Uyguristan).
    Asia Minor is now 99.8% Muslim.

    I am painfully aware what radical Islam is capable of.

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  177. J1234 says:

    from the article:
    “Pamela Geller, who recently staged the ‘Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest’ in Garland Texas that resulted in two deaths, would no doubt say the same thing.”

    ===

    Umm…the ‘Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest’ in Garland Texas did NOT result in two deaths, dude. The ATTACK on the event resulted in two deaths.

    Freedom of speech covers hateful and hypocritical speech, too, so we don’t need to decipher what Pam Geller or anyone else at the event had running through their minds at the time. This is a pretty poor article, really.

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  178. KA says:
    @Avery
    {“Those private media or other entities who lie to wage wars and promote wars need to be removed from the circulation .They are toxic .Thier existence isn’t secured by any partciluar immutable law or divine rights .”}

    You are right: private entities are not protected by either immutable law or divine right.
    Even the cherished 1st amendment can be – amended, by amending the US Constitution.

    And you have every right to “remove from circulation” any of those private media, provided you legally and peacefully use the tools the System provides: sue them into bankruptcy; start your own web site or blog (like unz.com) and counter their toxicity; organize boycotts (…not very effective); become rich and buy MSM outlets and promote your message;……

    Yes ,legally and peacefully. So the wold should wait until the media ,academia,and then the politicians start openly talking about Turkeys role in Armenian genocide . Armenian should wait and not beseech USA or France to force the acceptance of the 1915 genocide responsibilities on the Turks. Neither it should try to get to UNSC and depend on the 5 permanent members . The legality and the peace always break down at this venue – all resolution on Iran and Iraq are binding and no resolutions on Israel are binding .
    You can argue this to be the current state of affairs . Sure 1915 was the current state of affairs in 1915.

    Then the question of justice. Sure Justice department doesn’t tell Americans why it failed to pursue so many cases involving spying,arms and nuclear smuggling by Israel that have been periodically exposed from 1947.
    Or why it didn’t ask ABC how and why it connected anthrax to Saddam or why Fox suppressed 911 story . There are other equally repugnant story like failing to follow up the news that Fox was trying to buy even the presidency when it approached Petreus . Fox told it was a prank and that was the end . It didn’t take Fox to court when one anchor basically said she wanted to kill all Muslim .There have been a lot of Pamella type presence on Fox inciting violence against Muslim .
    I guess these are all free speech , the scared chants that removes all guilt and solidifies sense of belonging to superman-übermensch .

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  180. Karl says:
    @solontoCroesus

    President Johnson was not Jewish: yet he _ordered_ 6th fleet to stand down, as it was rushing to assist USS Liberty under attack by Israeli jets.
    How about it ?
     
    http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/how-lbj-s-vietnam-war-paralyzed-his-mideast-policymakers.html

    Mathilde Galland Danon Krim, born in Italy, raised Roman Catholic, converted to Lutheran, met and married Jewish terrorist David Danon, converted to Judaism, became a terrorist for Israel, divorced Danon, married movie exec and Democratic party money man and Israel supporter Arthur Krim who bought a house for Mathilde nearby LBJ's ranch in Texas, Arthur and Mathilde worked extensively for Israel's interests. ---->


    ...After reassuring Eshkol of America's interest in Israel's safety, the draft message cautioned: "It is essential that Israel not take any preemptive military action and thereby make itself responsible for the initiation of hostilities." The president strengthened the warning by adding two words so that the sentence read, "It is essential that Israel JUST MUST NOT take any preemptive military action. . ."

    On June 3, Johnson traveled to New York to deliver a speech at a Democratic Party fund-raising dinner. He moved on to a $1,000-a-plate dinner dance, sponsored by the President's Club of New York, whose chairman was Arthur Krim. While at the table, fund-raiser Abe Feinberg leaned over the shoulder of Mathilde Krim, seated next to Johnson, and whispered: "Mr. President, it [Israel's attack] can't be held any longer. It's going to be within the next 24 hours."

    On June 4, Johnson went to the home of his close adviser and friend, Justice Abe Fortas. The following day, June 5, Rostow woke Johnson with a phone call at 4:30 a.m. "War has broken out," Rostow said. The Israelis had attacked Egypt and Syria.

    Mathilde Krim was a guest at the White House and, before going to the Oval Office, and apparently before waking Lady Bird or notifying anyone else, Johnson dropped by the bedroom where Mathilde was sleeping and gave her the news: "The war has started."

    At 7:45 a.m., Johnson talked—for the first time—on the hot line with Moscow. Soviet Premier Aleksi Kosygin expressed the hope that the United States would restrain Israel. Both leaders vowed to work for a cease-fire.

    On that day—June 5, 1967—I walked the White House corridors as the telephone lines and news tickers recorded developments of the first morning of the war that would change the Middle East. I learned that in the war's first hours, Israeli planes had destroyed the air forces of both Egypt and Syria on the ground.

    Unconcealable Glee

    Several U.S. officials in a State Department Operations Room briefing could not conceal their glee over Israel's successes. With a wide smile, Eugene Rostow said, "Gentlemen, gentlemen, do not forget that we are neutral in word, thought and deed."

    At the State Department's noon briefing on June 5, press spokesman Robert J. McCloskey repeated those words for reporters. (Since the U.S. was not neutral but totally supportive of Israel, however, this statement would need—over the next several weeks—endless clarification.)

    Also on June 5, Arthur Krim wrote a memo to the president saying: "Many arms shipments are packed and ready to go to Israel, but are being held up. It would be helpful if these could be released." Johnson got the shipments on their way.

    Walt Rostow, in a memo to the president, referred to the results of Israel's surprise attack on Egypt and Syria as "the first day's turkey shoot." On June 6, in another memo to the president, Walt Rostow recommended that the Israelis not be forced to withdraw from the territories they had seized—short of peace treaties with the Arab states.

    "If the Israelis go fast enough and the Soviets get worried enough," he wrote, "a simple cease-fire might be the best answer. This would mean that we could use the de facto situation on the ground to try to negotiate not a return to armistice lines but a definitive peace in the Middle East."

    Mathilde Krim, still a guest in the White House, left for meetings in New York. Before departing, however, she wrote out a statement supportive of Israel which she asked the president to deliver "verbatim to the American people." Johnson was sufficiently impressed with her comments to, later in the day, read some of them to Secretary of State Dean Rusk. But the president did not, as she had asked, read them to the American people. . . .

    While there can be no moral justification for the White House cover-up orders to the Navy after the assault on the Liberty, from hindsight Johnson's political motivation is obvious. It was the same motivation that led him subsequently to listen to the Jewish friends and advisers who urged him not to put any pressure on the Israelis to relinquish territories they had seized in the Six-Day War.

    In 1967, President Johnson felt he needed all the support he could get to I 'win" in Vietnam. Many American Jews were liberals outspokenly opposed to the war there. Johnson was told if he gave all out support to Israel—which would include ignoring the Israeli attack on the Libertyinfluential Jewish Americans would stop opposing his Vietnam policies.
     

    The guy who pulls the trigger is not necessarily the one who starts the war.

    >> The guy who pulls the trigger is not necessarily the one who starts the war

    To “start” a war, there must first be peace. None of Isrel’s neighbors of 1967 had signed peace treaties.

    Egypt’s blockading the Port of Eilat was when the prior truce got broken.

    Egypt re-started a fight….. Israel finished it.

    Requesting predictions: how long before the Giraldi-afficianados re-write history to portray Leon Klinghoffer as a terrorist?

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  181. @Philip Giraldi
    Two points Irish - first, Muslim leaders do go public and overwhelmingly condemn terrorist acts but you just don't see it in the media. Second, when I refer to "palpably ridiculous" I am meaning that the political mathematics of it are such that it ain't gonna happen here no matter what some of them might want. I am no apologist for Islam believe me and I favor shooting terrorists on sight but Geller is garbage.

    OK Philip, point taken. Just to add that I’m a great admirer of your work.

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  182. Avery says:
    @solontoCroesus

    President Johnson was not Jewish: yet he _ordered_ 6th fleet to stand down, as it was rushing to assist USS Liberty under attack by Israeli jets.
    How about it ?
     
    http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/how-lbj-s-vietnam-war-paralyzed-his-mideast-policymakers.html

    Mathilde Galland Danon Krim, born in Italy, raised Roman Catholic, converted to Lutheran, met and married Jewish terrorist David Danon, converted to Judaism, became a terrorist for Israel, divorced Danon, married movie exec and Democratic party money man and Israel supporter Arthur Krim who bought a house for Mathilde nearby LBJ's ranch in Texas, Arthur and Mathilde worked extensively for Israel's interests. ---->


    ...After reassuring Eshkol of America's interest in Israel's safety, the draft message cautioned: "It is essential that Israel not take any preemptive military action and thereby make itself responsible for the initiation of hostilities." The president strengthened the warning by adding two words so that the sentence read, "It is essential that Israel JUST MUST NOT take any preemptive military action. . ."

    On June 3, Johnson traveled to New York to deliver a speech at a Democratic Party fund-raising dinner. He moved on to a $1,000-a-plate dinner dance, sponsored by the President's Club of New York, whose chairman was Arthur Krim. While at the table, fund-raiser Abe Feinberg leaned over the shoulder of Mathilde Krim, seated next to Johnson, and whispered: "Mr. President, it [Israel's attack] can't be held any longer. It's going to be within the next 24 hours."

    On June 4, Johnson went to the home of his close adviser and friend, Justice Abe Fortas. The following day, June 5, Rostow woke Johnson with a phone call at 4:30 a.m. "War has broken out," Rostow said. The Israelis had attacked Egypt and Syria.

    Mathilde Krim was a guest at the White House and, before going to the Oval Office, and apparently before waking Lady Bird or notifying anyone else, Johnson dropped by the bedroom where Mathilde was sleeping and gave her the news: "The war has started."

    At 7:45 a.m., Johnson talked—for the first time—on the hot line with Moscow. Soviet Premier Aleksi Kosygin expressed the hope that the United States would restrain Israel. Both leaders vowed to work for a cease-fire.

    On that day—June 5, 1967—I walked the White House corridors as the telephone lines and news tickers recorded developments of the first morning of the war that would change the Middle East. I learned that in the war's first hours, Israeli planes had destroyed the air forces of both Egypt and Syria on the ground.

    Unconcealable Glee

    Several U.S. officials in a State Department Operations Room briefing could not conceal their glee over Israel's successes. With a wide smile, Eugene Rostow said, "Gentlemen, gentlemen, do not forget that we are neutral in word, thought and deed."

    At the State Department's noon briefing on June 5, press spokesman Robert J. McCloskey repeated those words for reporters. (Since the U.S. was not neutral but totally supportive of Israel, however, this statement would need—over the next several weeks—endless clarification.)

    Also on June 5, Arthur Krim wrote a memo to the president saying: "Many arms shipments are packed and ready to go to Israel, but are being held up. It would be helpful if these could be released." Johnson got the shipments on their way.

    Walt Rostow, in a memo to the president, referred to the results of Israel's surprise attack on Egypt and Syria as "the first day's turkey shoot." On June 6, in another memo to the president, Walt Rostow recommended that the Israelis not be forced to withdraw from the territories they had seized—short of peace treaties with the Arab states.

    "If the Israelis go fast enough and the Soviets get worried enough," he wrote, "a simple cease-fire might be the best answer. This would mean that we could use the de facto situation on the ground to try to negotiate not a return to armistice lines but a definitive peace in the Middle East."

    Mathilde Krim, still a guest in the White House, left for meetings in New York. Before departing, however, she wrote out a statement supportive of Israel which she asked the president to deliver "verbatim to the American people." Johnson was sufficiently impressed with her comments to, later in the day, read some of them to Secretary of State Dean Rusk. But the president did not, as she had asked, read them to the American people. . . .

    While there can be no moral justification for the White House cover-up orders to the Navy after the assault on the Liberty, from hindsight Johnson's political motivation is obvious. It was the same motivation that led him subsequently to listen to the Jewish friends and advisers who urged him not to put any pressure on the Israelis to relinquish territories they had seized in the Six-Day War.

    In 1967, President Johnson felt he needed all the support he could get to I 'win" in Vietnam. Many American Jews were liberals outspokenly opposed to the war there. Johnson was told if he gave all out support to Israel—which would include ignoring the Israeli attack on the Libertyinfluential Jewish Americans would stop opposing his Vietnam policies.
     

    The guy who pulls the trigger is not necessarily the one who starts the war.

    I am not able to figure out what you are trying to say.
    Can you please clarify.

    In my original post this is what I am asking:
    - a foreign country, Israel, is attacking an unarmed American ship in international waters.
    - armed American ships are rushing to assist their fellow Americans.
    (fighter jets from the aircraft carrier could have been over USS Liberty in minutes, if I am not mistaken)
    - the Commander in Chief of US Armed forces orders US Navy task force to stand down.
    - the attack on USS Liberty continues for several hours more.
    - more American men in uniform are killed and wounded.

    I don’t care who or what influenced Pres Johnson or what his motivations were.
    Why is he being given a pass ?
    Why isn’t he considered a traitor ?
    Why only (rightly) excoriate Israel ?

    Isn’t Johnson a co-conspirator in what amounts to murder of American men in uniform ?

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  183. bobbiemac says:

    There is little for me to add to what’s already been said in the comments. Just wanted to lend my support of Mr. Giraldi’s fine article. re

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  184. @Wally
    "Really? Then why don’t you “debunk” it for me, right here and now?"

    In fact, you've already been demolished countless times, see here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+darwin+hannover+lice#p72138
    Ouch!

    I also assume you are still threatening people.
    I also assume that you still call the work places various of Revisionists attempting to get them fired.
    I also assume you still make stalking phone calls to their homes.
    And that's not the half of it.

    Sir, when in a hole it's recommended that you stop digging.

    Regards.

    Just to erase any shadow of doubt, my response to this:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9537#p72381

    was disallowed by Jonnie “Hannover” Hargis, and I instead received the below:

    You are dodging and intentionally ignoring the obvious.
    No distractions, please.
    - There was no debate between you and Hannover at Unz Review.
    - There was a debate between you and Mulegino at Unz Review.
    - The Germaness of the document is stated in the quoted text “the
    administration of Auschwitz compiled a statistical report …”
    - You dodged:
    “As Polish historian Henry Swiebocki reports, no fewer than 11,246
    prisoners underwent surgery at Auschwitz between 10 September 1942 and 23
    February 1944. 43″ which is not a Soviet Archive reference.
    - You dodged:
    “(According to the Holocaust story, a huge number of Hungarian Jews were
    gassed at Auschwitz between 15 May and 9 July 1944. While not a single one
    of these alleged gas chamber murders is confirmed by a German document, the
    medical treatment of 3,138 Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz until 27 July is
    indeed documented.)”

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  185. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    That article is an awful lot of stuff.
    Geller held a peaceful event.
    The islomaticysts tried to turn it into a violent event but failed.
    islam does not work in judeo-christian based western civilizations.
    that has been proven for over 1000 years now.

    I’ll give you a chance to answer one question that should put this in the right perspective:

    Of the two following events, which one is tasteless, and which one is evil:

    A. Two men shot to death 30 people because of some satirical artwork about islam

    B. 30 people create satirical artwork on islam

    when I took this poll the respondents broke down into these major categories:
    Of the people who responded A=evil, B=tasteless, 98% were not islamic
    Of the people who responded A=tasteless, B=evil, 97% were Islamic and thought the use of a gun was tasteless vice beheading, and also, 33% had a goat for a spouse

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    I'd rather put things in the right perspective by saying your post is both tasteless and evil!
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  186. KA says:

    Anne Lewis ( clinton advisor) of Democrat party told that the policies regarding Israel and it’s neighbors were made by Israel and US President should be accepting the policies as the US foreign policy.
    Before that Madeline Albright assured the Israelis that any negotiations and any proposals regarding Syria- Israel talks during her tenure ,would be always first checked with Israel . Despite the reality ,Israel would still spy on her conversation and later challenge Clinton openly ( Ehud Barak) that Israel already had the information . Despite the convergences and despite the pledge , Albright had to onetime scold Israeli sides for betraying the administration.
    During 2006 Israel and Lebanon and Gaza wars, Weekly Standard and AEI apparatchik were going around loudly proclaiming that ‘ Israel’s war is also our war’.
    Klein and Glenn Greenwald would later explain how the dual loyalties work . They would be called antisemite . As was Francis Fukumiya by Kristol / Krauthamer , for questioning the warmongering and blanket denunciation of Middle Eastern . Lieven had to leave after writing a book on America’s greatness and policies . His crime was to raise Israeli issue in a negative tone.
    Evangelic and WINEP apparatchik
    would hold joint meetings to sharpen the mono loyalty ( Israel) above dual loyalty using bible and using abstract concept of American moral responsibilities as an ideological nation.
    Later GOP hopefuls openly would declare and continue to do same that they would outsource any ME policy to Israel.

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    >> Despite the reality ,Israel would still spy on her conversation

    thank God that the Defense Language Institute (Presidio of Monterey, California) is not an assembly line for (inter alia) producing Hebrew-language-proficiency-niks to enable "surveillance" of intercepted Israeli communications
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  187. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous
    That article is an awful lot of stuff.
    Geller held a peaceful event.
    The islomaticysts tried to turn it into a violent event but failed.
    islam does not work in judeo-christian based western civilizations.
    that has been proven for over 1000 years now.

    I'll give you a chance to answer one question that should put this in the right perspective:

    Of the two following events, which one is tasteless, and which one is evil:

    A. Two men shot to death 30 people because of some satirical artwork about islam

    B. 30 people create satirical artwork on islam

    when I took this poll the respondents broke down into these major categories:
    Of the people who responded A=evil, B=tasteless, 98% were not islamic
    Of the people who responded A=tasteless, B=evil, 97% were Islamic and thought the use of a gun was tasteless vice beheading, and also, 33% had a goat for a spouse

    I’d rather put things in the right perspective by saying your post is both tasteless and evil!

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  188. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    The Germans have started two major wars and committed major genocides such as the Herero and Holocaust in recent periods. According to your logic then, wouldn't this be evidence that the Germans are psychopathic and a threat to non-Germans, and that non-Germans should regard and treat them as such?

    total nonsense/untruth. Various revisionist historians have pretty much set the record straight.
    …on the wars.

    my logic on posychopaths was this…..they have zero empathetic emotion for anybody, therefore , kill them.

    Germans and everybody else, unless castrated by liberal Humanitarians, fight for their people. It is that simple.

    I used to be anti-zionist, but now I am not. Jews do what comes naturally. However, arguably they go too far…don’t know when to stop…Euphrates to the Nile, that sort of thing. The OT is Darwinian and the Talmudists are hyper Darwinian…social darwinists, etc and way over the top.

    Whatever the Jews are , they are not psychopaths. Just over the top, the top being a reasonable kind of nationalism that recognizes that other peoples/races have their right to their own lands, these ‘rights’ not being holy or inalienable, but simply common sense to keep the peace.

    Jews do not seem to recognize this principle. It still does not make them psychopaths, just very dangerous people, whom sooner or later will be wiped out, unless they Change!, which is unlikely with their Talmudic nut case. Those who assimilate are another story, and that seems to be happening to some degree.

    As , was it a Commentary Jew?… said recently, that American Exceptionalism is akin to Zionism.
    This is true and is so cuz, the American Religion takes its basis from Jehovah’s rants. Kill everybody in our way. The role of the Talmudists in subverting Protestant Christianity starting way back in the Reformation is hugely important, and etc, etc…tho the neocons, a jewish cabal totally out in the open cuz the Protestant “Christians” live in the OT, especially the Fundamentalists. America the New Isreal, etc.

    As for the jewish people compared to the german people..It was the Morganthau Plan that wanted to exterminate the germans, etc. turn Germany into a pastoralist economy. FDR liked the Morganthau Plan but thought it went a little too far. As it was with our bombing of German cities, it was pure OT, kill them all. Ike and others killed a couple million or so germans after the war. And, for comedy, look at the jews at the Nuremberg trials.

    So let us have a vote: which, the germans or the jews, would tend more toward the psychopathic?
    Right now, probably the germans inasmuch as , per my definition of a psychopath, they want to kill their holocaust deniers, haters, nazis, and racialists like many on this list. The Jews don’t kill their own, at least in recent times.

    Joe WEbb

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    {"Ike and others killed..."}

    Pres Eisenhower (Eisenhauer) was of Germanic stock.
    I don't know what percentage of Americans were of German ancestry during WW2, but per 2000 census, about 50 million self-identify as of German ancestry.

    Number 1, ahead of Black-Americans (2) and Irish (3).
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  189. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121790/life-triggering-best-literature-should-be-too

    Some time ago, academia turned into a game of ‘hunt the dead white male’. Or dig him up to beat him over and over.

    So, English departments, humanities, and various victim studies departments all focused on hunting and smoking out ‘dead white males’.

    Initially, this idiocy took over only the colleges. But since higher academia set the standards for rest of education, even K thru 12 education came to focus on rooting out ‘racism’, ‘sexism’, ‘homophobia’, and etc.
    When going after the obvious targets — KKK, Nazism, etc.– got boring(especially as the far right has zero power in the modern west), the progs had to keep finding new enemies, or else they’d be out of business.
    So, it turned into a game of finding ‘microaggressions’ and ‘white privilege’.

    Kids from young age have been introduced to art, culture, and ideas not as forums for critical thinking, imagination, and possibilities but as hunting ground for bad guys, bad ideas, and etc.

    So, millennials grew up reading books and watching movies in terms of ‘that is racist’, ‘that is homophobic’, and etc. We now live in a country where businesses are shut down because they won’t cater to ‘gay weddings’. Not seeing the beauty of ‘gay marriage’ is thought to be Evil. 80% of millennials think this way since PC had reached all the way down to kindergarten.

    Since millennials were raised that way by our educational system, they enter college with PC mindsets. It used to be kids became PC only after they entered college. Now, they come to college with PC mentality already installed as it’s been fed to them since cradle.

    Some blame must go to the Jewish community. While Jewish worries about antisemitism are understandable given recent history, the constant seeing-Nazis-everywhere mentality has morphed into comparable hysteria among other would-be victim groups. And in some cases, this outlook is coming to boomerang against Jews.

    Many liberal Jews promoted the ‘white privilege’ hysteria, but it’s coming back to haunt Jews as BDS movement is mostly about people of color seeing Zionism and white male privilege as one and the same, not least because Netanyahu is seen with the GOP, much loathed in the academia.

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  190. geokat62 says:

    “Some blame must go to the Jewish community.”

    DISCLAIMER: While I posted this commentary previously, I think it bears repeating, with a few modifications.

    This is too generic a statement. The question that has to be asked is: who specifically within the Jewish community is responsible for promoting Political Correctness (PC)?

    The brain-trust behind the promotion of PC is the Frankfurt School. The FS identified nationalism as the root cause of the holocaust. To ensure that another holocaust never occurred again, the FS prescribed cultural Marxism (better known as Political Correctness) as the antidote to nationalism.

    Theodor W. Adorno, a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, wrote The Authoritarian Personality in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” (emphasis added)

    And hell bent on eradicating PC is a zionist entity with the front name of The Clarion Fund. It is keen on destroying PC, especially in Europe, as the birthrate of Muslims is outstripping that of Christians. The concern is that the jungle will be expanding rather than contracting, thereby making it less safe for the villa.

    The Clarion Fund has produced a trilogy of films – Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West, The Third Jihad, and Iranium – in an effort to get the goy to get there act together and re-embrace nationalism.

    With all this toing and froing between nationlism and political correctness, one gets the sense that the goy are perceived to be puppets whose strings are constantly being pulled by the puppet masters.

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    dunno if there is a segment of the jews who have opposed or do oppose still the near total domination of the anti-racist anthropology/sociology academic scam that went on for decades and is now pretty much over in academe and replaced by HBD, a somewhat milquetoast term replacing the tripleplus bad word, Race, Physical Anthropology. Jews also opposed the Human Genome Project....such seekers after truth.

    We all know the list of liars from Boas to Ghoul, I mean Gould. All Jews who led the charge, Of course the damage is done and the die cast for yet a few more decades probably, per the above piece about how the youngsters have had their brains boiled in boilerplate anti-racism evangelizing. Or until the civil war starts again.

    In my time I have only met one jew who admitted Race was real. Of course, jews have done this to assure their alliance with blacks, etc, and to keep us white folks at one-another's throats.

    Name one cultural movement initiated by jews that has done the white race any good, or the darker races any good either in the longer run , if one assumes that the Negroids and Arabs, etc, could get realistic enough to subordinate themselves to Whites in order for some kind of cooperative communal life to emerge. LOL as they say.

    Let us see, there was the historic Left which was shared by jews and gentiles (pre-communist) but led more or less by jews. Then there was communism led by jews. Do not forget Freud and psychoanalysis which was totally jewish, Then there was the Frankfurt school....freudo-marxist, Then there was and is Deconstruction which was and is almost totally jew...Derrida, Foucault, etc.
    Then there is Modernism in Art which is largely zero and retrograde...jewish in largest part, or 12-tone music by a couple wacky jews, almost no classical music which is jewish...Mendelsohn, more or less Christian , Samuel Barber who I like...the exception proving the rule, Bernstein.. and the other jazzy guy...brothers ...of porgy and bess...lies lies lies, and lousy music anyhow, Aaron Copland who I like and think very good. That leaves two jews who are good in my book, Copland and Barber...but then the "arts" of Broadway are pretty stinky, but maybe ...and then the Jewish 20th century Ameican novel...a real jewish mafia working that out. Portnoy's cumplaint.

    Take Harold Bloom, who calls himself a gnostic jew, am reading his book The American Religion, which in interesting and alarming, but Bloom is a nut-case Jew, like most jews.

    So, the contributions of the Jews, near zero in my book. Of course in technology today there is that, but it is just part of the White Man's Burdern of Inventions...just about all of them, jews are a footnote. Don't use the word Einstein please.

    We don't need any of them, but they need us to milk and butcher and fight their wars.

    Oh yeah, the biggest blight is their Judaism that has soaked into both our Churches, but mostly the Protestants, who think the US is the New Israel, out to rule, but save of course, the world. as the old Vietnam bit went, 'we had to destroy the village to save it." Wastemoreland I think. Yes, and I committed CD against the war and proud of it.

    Thanks to the Jews.

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  191. Avery says:
    @joe webb
    total nonsense/untruth. Various revisionist historians have pretty much set the record straight.
    ...on the wars.


    my logic on posychopaths was this.....they have zero empathetic emotion for anybody, therefore , kill them.

    Germans and everybody else, unless castrated by liberal Humanitarians, fight for their people. It is that simple.

    I used to be anti-zionist, but now I am not. Jews do what comes naturally. However, arguably they go too far...don't know when to stop...Euphrates to the Nile, that sort of thing. The OT is Darwinian and the Talmudists are hyper Darwinian...social darwinists, etc and way over the top.

    Whatever the Jews are , they are not psychopaths. Just over the top, the top being a reasonable kind of nationalism that recognizes that other peoples/races have their right to their own lands, these 'rights' not being holy or inalienable, but simply common sense to keep the peace.

    Jews do not seem to recognize this principle. It still does not make them psychopaths, just very dangerous people, whom sooner or later will be wiped out, unless they Change!, which is unlikely with their Talmudic nut case. Those who assimilate are another story, and that seems to be happening to some degree.

    As , was it a Commentary Jew?... said recently, that American Exceptionalism is akin to Zionism.
    This is true and is so cuz, the American Religion takes its basis from Jehovah's rants. Kill everybody in our way. The role of the Talmudists in subverting Protestant Christianity starting way back in the Reformation is hugely important, and etc, etc...tho the neocons, a jewish cabal totally out in the open cuz the Protestant "Christians" live in the OT, especially the Fundamentalists. America the New Isreal, etc.

    As for the jewish people compared to the german people..It was the Morganthau Plan that wanted to exterminate the germans, etc. turn Germany into a pastoralist economy. FDR liked the Morganthau Plan but thought it went a little too far. As it was with our bombing of German cities, it was pure OT, kill them all. Ike and others killed a couple million or so germans after the war. And, for comedy, look at the jews at the Nuremberg trials.

    So let us have a vote: which, the germans or the jews, would tend more toward the psychopathic?
    Right now, probably the germans inasmuch as , per my definition of a psychopath, they want to kill their holocaust deniers, haters, nazis, and racialists like many on this list. The Jews don't kill their own, at least in recent times.

    Joe WEbb

    {“Ike and others killed…”}

    Pres Eisenhower (Eisenhauer) was of Germanic stock.
    I don’t know what percentage of Americans were of German ancestry during WW2, but per 2000 census, about 50 million self-identify as of German ancestry.

    Number 1, ahead of Black-Americans (2) and Irish (3).

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  192. Karl says:
    @KA
    Anne Lewis ( clinton advisor) of Democrat party told that the policies regarding Israel and it's neighbors were made by Israel and US President should be accepting the policies as the US foreign policy.
    Before that Madeline Albright assured the Israelis that any negotiations and any proposals regarding Syria- Israel talks during her tenure ,would be always first checked with Israel . Despite the reality ,Israel would still spy on her conversation and later challenge Clinton openly ( Ehud Barak) that Israel already had the information . Despite the convergences and despite the pledge , Albright had to onetime scold Israeli sides for betraying the administration.
    During 2006 Israel and Lebanon and Gaza wars, Weekly Standard and AEI apparatchik were going around loudly proclaiming that ' Israel's war is also our war'.
    Klein and Glenn Greenwald would later explain how the dual loyalties work . They would be called antisemite . As was Francis Fukumiya by Kristol / Krauthamer , for questioning the warmongering and blanket denunciation of Middle Eastern . Lieven had to leave after writing a book on America's greatness and policies . His crime was to raise Israeli issue in a negative tone.
    Evangelic and WINEP apparatchik
    would hold joint meetings to sharpen the mono loyalty ( Israel) above dual loyalty using bible and using abstract concept of American moral responsibilities as an ideological nation.
    Later GOP hopefuls openly would declare and continue to do same that they would outsource any ME policy to Israel.

    >> Despite the reality ,Israel would still spy on her conversation

    thank God that the Defense Language Institute (Presidio of Monterey, California) is not an assembly line for (inter alia) producing Hebrew-language-proficiency-niks to enable “surveillance” of intercepted Israeli communications

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-484762/I-hate-Iranians-US-aide-tells-MPs.html

    Debra Cagan was openly saying that she hated all Iranian. Pamela Geller is a neophyte compared to these including Krauthammer who said that the Virginia Tech shooter was inspired by Islam. Kruthamare came to that conclusion after analyzing the tattoo on the arms of the shooter.She still belongs to the right club.

    , @KA
    The spying is old story as old as the state of Israel is .Truman administration knew it very well.
    ( Truman by David McCullough , Israel in the Mind of America by Peter Grose, The Pledge by Leonrad Slater ,Passionate Attachment by Ball and Ball. Brandeis and Frankfurter - another exposé of the colluding and spying and massaging the message from the highest place . These cover the first 70 yrs of 20 th century ) .

    "Then in 1990, a top secret Sensitive Conpartmentalized Information report ( TS/SCI) warned that records of calls in the US were getting ito foreign hands Israeli in particular ". Amdocs vs.DP world by Lila Rajiva
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  193. joe webb says:
    @geokat62
    "Some blame must go to the Jewish community."

    DISCLAIMER: While I posted this commentary previously, I think it bears repeating, with a few modifications.

    This is too generic a statement. The question that has to be asked is: who specifically within the Jewish community is responsible for promoting Political Correctness (PC)?

    The brain-trust behind the promotion of PC is the Frankfurt School. The FS identified nationalism as the root cause of the holocaust. To ensure that another holocaust never occurred again, the FS prescribed cultural Marxism (better known as Political Correctness) as the antidote to nationalism.

    Theodor W. Adorno, a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, wrote The Authoritarian Personality in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” (emphasis added)
     
    And hell bent on eradicating PC is a zionist entity with the front name of The Clarion Fund. It is keen on destroying PC, especially in Europe, as the birthrate of Muslims is outstripping that of Christians. The concern is that the jungle will be expanding rather than contracting, thereby making it less safe for the villa.

    The Clarion Fund has produced a trilogy of films – Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West, The Third Jihad, and Iranium – in an effort to get the goy to get there act together and re-embrace nationalism.

    With all this toing and froing between nationlism and political correctness, one gets the sense that the goy are perceived to be puppets whose strings are constantly being pulled by the puppet masters.

    dunno if there is a segment of the jews who have opposed or do oppose still the near total domination of the anti-racist anthropology/sociology academic scam that went on for decades and is now pretty much over in academe and replaced by HBD, a somewhat milquetoast term replacing the tripleplus bad word, Race, Physical Anthropology. Jews also opposed the Human Genome Project….such seekers after truth.

    We all know the list of liars from Boas to Ghoul, I mean Gould. All Jews who led the charge, Of course the damage is done and the die cast for yet a few more decades probably, per the above piece about how the youngsters have had their brains boiled in boilerplate anti-racism evangelizing. Or until the civil war starts again.

    In my time I have only met one jew who admitted Race was real. Of course, jews have done this to assure their alliance with blacks, etc, and to keep us white folks at one-another’s throats.

    Name one cultural movement initiated by jews that has done the white race any good, or the darker races any good either in the longer run , if one assumes that the Negroids and Arabs, etc, could get realistic enough to subordinate themselves to Whites in order for some kind of cooperative communal life to emerge. LOL as they say.

    Let us see, there was the historic Left which was shared by jews and gentiles (pre-communist) but led more or less by jews. Then there was communism led by jews. Do not forget Freud and psychoanalysis which was totally jewish, Then there was the Frankfurt school….freudo-marxist, Then there was and is Deconstruction which was and is almost totally jew…Derrida, Foucault, etc.
    Then there is Modernism in Art which is largely zero and retrograde…jewish in largest part, or 12-tone music by a couple wacky jews, almost no classical music which is jewish…Mendelsohn, more or less Christian , Samuel Barber who I like…the exception proving the rule, Bernstein.. and the other jazzy guy…brothers …of porgy and bess…lies lies lies, and lousy music anyhow, Aaron Copland who I like and think very good. That leaves two jews who are good in my book, Copland and Barber…but then the “arts” of Broadway are pretty stinky, but maybe …and then the Jewish 20th century Ameican novel…a real jewish mafia working that out. Portnoy’s cumplaint.

    Take Harold Bloom, who calls himself a gnostic jew, am reading his book The American Religion, which in interesting and alarming, but Bloom is a nut-case Jew, like most jews.

    So, the contributions of the Jews, near zero in my book. Of course in technology today there is that, but it is just part of the White Man’s Burdern of Inventions…just about all of them, jews are a footnote. Don’t use the word Einstein please.

    We don’t need any of them, but they need us to milk and butcher and fight their wars.

    Oh yeah, the biggest blight is their Judaism that has soaked into both our Churches, but mostly the Protestants, who think the US is the New Israel, out to rule, but save of course, the world. as the old Vietnam bit went, ‘we had to destroy the village to save it.” Wastemoreland I think. Yes, and I committed CD against the war and proud of it.

    Thanks to the Jews.

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  194. KA says:
    @Karl
    >> Despite the reality ,Israel would still spy on her conversation

    thank God that the Defense Language Institute (Presidio of Monterey, California) is not an assembly line for (inter alia) producing Hebrew-language-proficiency-niks to enable "surveillance" of intercepted Israeli communications

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-484762/I-hate-Iranians-US-aide-tells-MPs.html

    Debra Cagan was openly saying that she hated all Iranian. Pamela Geller is a neophyte compared to these including Krauthammer who said that the Virginia Tech shooter was inspired by Islam. Kruthamare came to that conclusion after analyzing the tattoo on the arms of the shooter.She still belongs to the right club.

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  195. @joe webb
    dunno if there is a segment of the jews who have opposed or do oppose still the near total domination of the anti-racist anthropology/sociology academic scam that went on for decades and is now pretty much over in academe and replaced by HBD, a somewhat milquetoast term replacing the tripleplus bad word, Race, Physical Anthropology. Jews also opposed the Human Genome Project....such seekers after truth.

    We all know the list of liars from Boas to Ghoul, I mean Gould. All Jews who led the charge, Of course the damage is done and the die cast for yet a few more decades probably, per the above piece about how the youngsters have had their brains boiled in boilerplate anti-racism evangelizing. Or until the civil war starts again.

    In my time I have only met one jew who admitted Race was real. Of course, jews have done this to assure their alliance with blacks, etc, and to keep us white folks at one-another's throats.

    Name one cultural movement initiated by jews that has done the white race any good, or the darker races any good either in the longer run , if one assumes that the Negroids and Arabs, etc, could get realistic enough to subordinate themselves to Whites in order for some kind of cooperative communal life to emerge. LOL as they say.

    Let us see, there was the historic Left which was shared by jews and gentiles (pre-communist) but led more or less by jews. Then there was communism led by jews. Do not forget Freud and psychoanalysis which was totally jewish, Then there was the Frankfurt school....freudo-marxist, Then there was and is Deconstruction which was and is almost totally jew...Derrida, Foucault, etc.
    Then there is Modernism in Art which is largely zero and retrograde...jewish in largest part, or 12-tone music by a couple wacky jews, almost no classical music which is jewish...Mendelsohn, more or less Christian , Samuel Barber who I like...the exception proving the rule, Bernstein.. and the other jazzy guy...brothers ...of porgy and bess...lies lies lies, and lousy music anyhow, Aaron Copland who I like and think very good. That leaves two jews who are good in my book, Copland and Barber...but then the "arts" of Broadway are pretty stinky, but maybe ...and then the Jewish 20th century Ameican novel...a real jewish mafia working that out. Portnoy's cumplaint.

    Take Harold Bloom, who calls himself a gnostic jew, am reading his book The American Religion, which in interesting and alarming, but Bloom is a nut-case Jew, like most jews.

    So, the contributions of the Jews, near zero in my book. Of course in technology today there is that, but it is just part of the White Man's Burdern of Inventions...just about all of them, jews are a footnote. Don't use the word Einstein please.

    We don't need any of them, but they need us to milk and butcher and fight their wars.

    Oh yeah, the biggest blight is their Judaism that has soaked into both our Churches, but mostly the Protestants, who think the US is the New Israel, out to rule, but save of course, the world. as the old Vietnam bit went, 'we had to destroy the village to save it." Wastemoreland I think. Yes, and I committed CD against the war and proud of it.

    Thanks to the Jews.

    I was into advanced middle age before I began peeling back the onion layers and eventually realised that, with a few honorable exceptions, Jews are indeed a hostile elite. An elite which has inflicted literally irrecoverable – indeed existential – damage on White civilisation. I also believe that they’ve bought into their own fantasy creation that they’re the-most-unjustly-persecuted-people-in-history.

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  196. KA says:
    @Karl
    >> Despite the reality ,Israel would still spy on her conversation

    thank God that the Defense Language Institute (Presidio of Monterey, California) is not an assembly line for (inter alia) producing Hebrew-language-proficiency-niks to enable "surveillance" of intercepted Israeli communications

    The spying is old story as old as the state of Israel is .Truman administration knew it very well.
    ( Truman by David McCullough , Israel in the Mind of America by Peter Grose, The Pledge by Leonrad Slater ,Passionate Attachment by Ball and Ball. Brandeis and Frankfurter – another exposé of the colluding and spying and massaging the message from the highest place . These cover the first 70 yrs of 20 th century ) .

    “Then in 1990, a top secret Sensitive Conpartmentalized Information report ( TS/SCI) warned that records of calls in the US were getting ito foreign hands Israeli in particular “. Amdocs vs.DP world by Lila Rajiva

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  197. KA says:

    Phony Free Speech as Giraldi called it is the product of the ignorance,Bush type cluelessness imposed on the rest,Cheneyesque arrogance ,Rovian lecturing on Suskind ( that was meant for the journalist and academics),Fox promoted hubris and soft version of antimuslim sentiment of Blitzer crowd in CNN.
    The news have been missing from reporting and from discussion.
    In times of unnoticed starvation of the news , Geller does serve the function as do the junk and expired food item , to bring some meaning to the resident of a world around the tavern,churches,and with a forlorn existence in the suburban closet who have not much to show other than the flag,bible,and a battered female partner.

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    Speaking of free speech, France has banned pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Pro-Israeli demonstrations are not affected.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/france-bans-pro-palestine-demonstrations/200620/

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  198. @KA
    Phony Free Speech as Giraldi called it is the product of the ignorance,Bush type cluelessness imposed on the rest,Cheneyesque arrogance ,Rovian lecturing on Suskind ( that was meant for the journalist and academics),Fox promoted hubris and soft version of antimuslim sentiment of Blitzer crowd in CNN.
    The news have been missing from reporting and from discussion.
    In times of unnoticed starvation of the news , Geller does serve the function as do the junk and expired food item , to bring some meaning to the resident of a world around the tavern,churches,and with a forlorn existence in the suburban closet who have not much to show other than the flag,bible,and a battered female partner.

    Speaking of free speech, France has banned pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Pro-Israeli demonstrations are not affected.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/france-bans-pro-palestine-demonstrations/200620/

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    Mr. Giraldi:

    would you care to comment about your Turk buddies freely demonstrating against the Armenian Genocide law in France a couple of your ago ?
    Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:

    How about, Sir.

    Like your Denialist Turk buddies, you do deny the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the ancestors of your Islamist Turk buddies: don't you, Sir ?
    , @Avery
    And you keep ragging on Israel: fine.
    What about your Turk buddies at MIT ?
    They are up to their necks aiding and abetting the ISIS.
    That phony line of yours about allegedly wanting to kill terrorists.
    Why is it that you don’t say a word about your Turk intelligence buddies who are in bed with terrorists ?
    Is it because you want Islamists to exterminate every last Christian in Middle East ?
    Would you like your Islamist Turk buddies to establish a Caliphate in these United States ?
    Is that why ?

    I am sure you know about this, Mr. Giraldi.
    But I will let readers of unz.com know also.

    [Prosecutor says weapon-laden MİT trucks made 2,000 trips to Syria]
    http://www.todayszaman.com/national_prosecutor-says-weapon-laden-mit-trucks-made-2000-trips-to-syria_380629.html

    You were saying something about “phony”, Sir.
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  199. Avery says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Speaking of free speech, France has banned pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Pro-Israeli demonstrations are not affected.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/france-bans-pro-palestine-demonstrations/200620/

    Mr. Giraldi:

    would you care to comment about your Turk buddies freely demonstrating against the Armenian Genocide law in France a couple of your ago ?
    Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:

    How about, Sir.

    Like your Denialist Turk buddies, you do deny the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the ancestors of your Islamist Turk buddies: don’t you, Sir ?

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    Can you comment on French politicians and on the French media for the collective amnesia over the genocide in Algeria that resulted in 1.8 million Algerian death?
    , @Philip Giraldi
    Turks who kill anyone or advocate the same are not my buddies. You don't know Turks it seems. They come is all shapes, sizes and colors and the ones I know are frank about the horrors of the Armenian genocide, a view that I share incidentally. But I thought we were talking about free speech? A genocide or holocaust law that punishes people for denying it is not free speech, is it?
    , @Art
    "Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:"

    Oh my – once again we see the hate that Jews manifest in people. Divide and conquer – pit one against another – pump hate – one wrong justifies another wrong – these are the tools of the Jews. The Zionist Jews are driving humanity backwards into their kind of ancient tribalness. Their stock and trade is a frenzy of hate. Peace does not have a chance.

    One can ask “are the Zionist Jews an existential threat to humanity?”
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  200. KA says:
    @Avery
    Mr. Giraldi:

    would you care to comment about your Turk buddies freely demonstrating against the Armenian Genocide law in France a couple of your ago ?
    Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:

    How about, Sir.

    Like your Denialist Turk buddies, you do deny the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the ancestors of your Islamist Turk buddies: don't you, Sir ?

    Can you comment on French politicians and on the French media for the collective amnesia over the genocide in Algeria that resulted in 1.8 million Algerian death?

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    I will comment.
    In a little bit.

    (too many things to take care of at the moment to give you a worthy answer: look for it; will answer for sure)
    , @Avery
    First: I do not live in France, so do not know if there is a collective amnesia there about Algeria or not.
    I know the Gov has refused to apologize for their colonial rule in Algeria.

    Second: there is no evidence that French committed _genocide_ in Algiers.
    Massacres ? Yes.
    War Crimes ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Torture ? Yes. (side note: anyone who has not seen the excellent movie “Battle for Algiers” by Gillo Pontecorvo, should.).

    But not everything is genocide.
    Did French imperialists go to Algiers with the intention of exterminating the indigenous population ?
    There is no evidence.
    I know people want to call everything genocide: but, sorry, not everything is.
    There are practically an unlimited number of various atrocities committed by humans against other humans.
    But there are very few genocides.

    First one in modern times was the Herrero genocide: acknowledged by the perpetrators, Germans.
    The next was the Armenian Genocide: denied to this day by the perpetrators, the Turks.
    Aided and abetted by some Americans (Anglo),some Jewish-Americans, some Jewish-French, some Israelis,…..
    Next one was the Jewish Holocaust: unconditionally acknowledged by the successors of the perpetrators (Nazi Germans), the new German republic.
    There were some other genocides after WW2: no need to list them all here.

    I think the French government ought to unconditionally apologize to the Algerian people for their colonial mis-rule and the atrocities French military committed there.
    But even Algerians do not consider the French colonial rule a genocide.

    [Algeria asks Turkey to drop French genocide talk]
    {The Algerian prime minister has asked Turkish officials to refrain from bringing up Algeria’s history during the period of french colonization, delivering a strong message that Algeria is disturbed by the mention of its history in a quarrel between Turkey and France.
    Algerian Prime Minister Ahmed Ouyahia on Saturday asked Turkey to stop referring to its history as part of a problem that Turkey and France have, The Associated Press reported.
    Ouyahia said countries have the right to defend their interests, but they have no right to “make the blood of Algerians their business,” Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported on Saturday. “We say to our [Turkish] friends: Stop making capital out of Algeria’s colonization,” the news agency quoted the prime minister as saying. Ouyahia further accused Turkey of having provided material support to France since it was a member of NATO during the Algerian War.}
    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_algeria-asks-turkey-to-drop-french-genocide-talk_267944.html

    (btw: population of Algeria as of 2014 is 38.8 million)

    Something like 70%-80% of Armenians in Western Armenia of Ottoman Turkey were exterminated.
    Same with Jews in Europe: if not for the Red Army crushing the Nazi war machine, the plan of the Nazis was to exterminate every last Jew (…and Slav) for their Lebensraum.

    Tell me honestly then: do you really believe French went to Indochina or Algeria to exterminate the local populations ?
    [The Specific Intent (Dolus Specialis) Requirement of the Crime of Genocide]
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  201. @Avery
    Mr. Giraldi:

    would you care to comment about your Turk buddies freely demonstrating against the Armenian Genocide law in France a couple of your ago ?
    Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:

    How about, Sir.

    Like your Denialist Turk buddies, you do deny the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the ancestors of your Islamist Turk buddies: don't you, Sir ?

    Turks who kill anyone or advocate the same are not my buddies. You don’t know Turks it seems. They come is all shapes, sizes and colors and the ones I know are frank about the horrors of the Armenian genocide, a view that I share incidentally. But I thought we were talking about free speech? A genocide or holocaust law that punishes people for denying it is not free speech, is it?

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    Sir, do you have free speech to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater ?
    Do you have free speech to joke about a "bomb" on an airplane ?

    There are well established exceptions to free speech: I am no attorney, but it is called "Fighting words" exception (I believe).
    So the 1st amendment is not absolute.

    Those who deny the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide are no different.
    To me AG denial is "fighting words".
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  202. KA says:

    Ajai Raj a college student went to jail for confronting Ann Coulters homophobia . He made some sexual gesture to self ( masturbation) The Daily Texan covered it . Ann didn’t go despite murderous impulses against Muslim and against Cabinet member( Mineta – the transport secretary)
    Pussy riot became a cause célèbre in western country despite much worse sexualized behaviors and desecration of of national church of Russia.
    Free Speech –
    It is better understood through the beholder’s eye, just like ICC . It can catch Taylor or Sudans president but not Blair or Bush or Netnyahu .

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  203. geokat62 says:

    Since we are on the topic of genocides, I think it is more accurate to refer to what the Turks did to the Christian communities of the Ottoman Empire between 1894-1923 as the Christian Holocaust. Over 3.5 million Christians were murdered by Turkish persecutions. The campaign, known as Turkey for the Turks, was designed to rid Asia of its Christian populace.

    But since Turkey is in bed with the Zionist state, the Lobby is working overtime to prevent the recognition of the first true Holocaust of the 20th century!

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  204. Avery says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Speaking of free speech, France has banned pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Pro-Israeli demonstrations are not affected.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/france-bans-pro-palestine-demonstrations/200620/

    And you keep ragging on Israel: fine.
    What about your Turk buddies at MIT ?
    They are up to their necks aiding and abetting the ISIS.
    That phony line of yours about allegedly wanting to kill terrorists.
    Why is it that you don’t say a word about your Turk intelligence buddies who are in bed with terrorists ?
    Is it because you want Islamists to exterminate every last Christian in Middle East ?
    Would you like your Islamist Turk buddies to establish a Caliphate in these United States ?
    Is that why ?

    I am sure you know about this, Mr. Giraldi.
    But I will let readers of unz.com know also.

    [Prosecutor says weapon-laden MİT trucks made 2,000 trips to Syria]

    http://www.todayszaman.com/national_prosecutor-says-weapon-laden-mit-trucks-made-2000-trips-to-syria_380629.html

    You were saying something about “phony”, Sir.

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  205. joe webb says:

    a vision visited me after viewing this NYT piece of EU dignitaries singing We Are The World, from about 1985, the pop concert functional equivalent to Woodstock of 1969 for liberal kids who grew up to become World Leaders and make money doing Good.

    We are the world, we will save ourselves (?), and the Nato dignitaries reveal their inmost selves…30 years on with Billaryesque gusto, we be liberals, and we dance and sing kumbaiya with the darkies.

    How about a new Cabaret (movie) on our Times’ decadence front and center. Look at the comic possibilities from Vanity Fair and Cosmo to dancing pols with their whores and jewish bankrollers, and rioting niggers, and white freaks of many denominations elbowing one-another out of the way for their free money Programs, and, and…wars without end for the jews cheerled by Christian zios, and fat -cat capitalists singing We Are the World cavorting with their money bags over their shoulders, and third world refugees on boats headed North to White Land….the land of the White Man-the cancer of the planet per Susan Sontag the Jewish Esther, and, and…a back beat provided by nigger battling bands of do-wop and rap and white girls sashaying their tits and asses for the niggers and randy white boys undecided on white or nigger butts. All this in movie collage, especially with the third world hordes clapping their hands and singing from packed rickety boats, the boats rocking from side to side as the crowds of Dark Humanity sway to the beat. Here they come! Camp of the Saints! At last!

    A nice touch would be Christ, Allah, and Jehovah arm in arm kicking up their heels…. welcoming and Embracing All Their Chillun as the Darkies and Liberals All join together and circle up into the sky…rainbows and halos, and don’t forget some sorta classical music, like Beethoven’s Ode to Joy, as the races lie down together and copulate and the little colored babies issue out and sprout wings and fly away farther North…seeding the New Old World with Color and Rhythm, and, and…inter this and inter that, and just joyful and ecstatically cuming-together…O Come Together, O Humanity….Free at Last, Free at Last.

    Free Money! Free Sex! I am you and your are me and we are all together,! We are The World! Equality Forever and ever, Heaven on Earth!

    Joe Webb

    actually, the inclusion of Jehovah in the cameo appearance of Gods Dancing for Equality is over the top inasmuch as, you know, Jehovah’s not much of a democrat.

    apparently the article does not show up with this post.. but is in yesterday’s NYT digital edition.
    Joe WEbb
    :

    OPEN SOURCE
    NATO Officials Sing ‘We Are the World’ at Summit in Turkey
    BY ROBERT MACKEY

    A group of NATO foreign ministers and European officials performed a rousing, af

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  206. Avery says:
    @KA
    Can you comment on French politicians and on the French media for the collective amnesia over the genocide in Algeria that resulted in 1.8 million Algerian death?

    I will comment.
    In a little bit.

    (too many things to take care of at the moment to give you a worthy answer: look for it; will answer for sure)

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  207. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Extra, extra, Apes to sue the Monolith for lack of ‘trigger warning’ about its potential for inspiring violent ideas(especially with bones and sticks).

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  208. Avery says:
    @KA
    Can you comment on French politicians and on the French media for the collective amnesia over the genocide in Algeria that resulted in 1.8 million Algerian death?

    First: I do not live in France, so do not know if there is a collective amnesia there about Algeria or not.
    I know the Gov has refused to apologize for their colonial rule in Algeria.

    Second: there is no evidence that French committed _genocide_ in Algiers.
    Massacres ? Yes.
    War Crimes ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Torture ? Yes. (side note: anyone who has not seen the excellent movie “Battle for Algiers” by Gillo Pontecorvo, should.).

    But not everything is genocide.
    Did French imperialists go to Algiers with the intention of exterminating the indigenous population ?
    There is no evidence.
    I know people want to call everything genocide: but, sorry, not everything is.
    There are practically an unlimited number of various atrocities committed by humans against other humans.
    But there are very few genocides.

    First one in modern times was the Herrero genocide: acknowledged by the perpetrators, Germans.
    The next was the Armenian Genocide: denied to this day by the perpetrators, the Turks.
    Aided and abetted by some Americans (Anglo),some Jewish-Americans, some Jewish-French, some Israelis,…..
    Next one was the Jewish Holocaust: unconditionally acknowledged by the successors of the perpetrators (Nazi Germans), the new German republic.
    There were some other genocides after WW2: no need to list them all here.

    I think the French government ought to unconditionally apologize to the Algerian people for their colonial mis-rule and the atrocities French military committed there.
    But even Algerians do not consider the French colonial rule a genocide.

    [Algeria asks Turkey to drop French genocide talk]
    {The Algerian prime minister has asked Turkish officials to refrain from bringing up Algeria’s history during the period of french colonization, delivering a strong message that Algeria is disturbed by the mention of its history in a quarrel between Turkey and France.
    Algerian Prime Minister Ahmed Ouyahia on Saturday asked Turkey to stop referring to its history as part of a problem that Turkey and France have, The Associated Press reported.
    Ouyahia said countries have the right to defend their interests, but they have no right to “make the blood of Algerians their business,” Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported on Saturday. “We say to our [Turkish] friends: Stop making capital out of Algeria’s colonization,” the news agency quoted the prime minister as saying. Ouyahia further accused Turkey of having provided material support to France since it was a member of NATO during the Algerian War.}

    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_algeria-asks-turkey-to-drop-french-genocide-talk_267944.html

    (btw: population of Algeria as of 2014 is 38.8 million)

    Something like 70%-80% of Armenians in Western Armenia of Ottoman Turkey were exterminated.
    Same with Jews in Europe: if not for the Red Army crushing the Nazi war machine, the plan of the Nazis was to exterminate every last Jew (…and Slav) for their Lebensraum.

    Tell me honestly then: do you really believe French went to Indochina or Algeria to exterminate the local populations ?
    [The Specific Intent (Dolus Specialis) Requirement of the Crime of Genocide]

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    Why slaughters in Algeria or in Vietnam( US) and in Iraq don't count as genocide? Intention ? How do you ascribe intention ? That argument is not valid . It won't wash .
    Algeria still under good amount of control by France won't have the guts to change the label .May be one day when it had representative gov and not military as ruler ,it would accuse France . Same is true in case of Iraq. US is powerful and Iraq will stay quiet for foreseeable future but that argument will eventually surface including the use of the evidences supplied by the remarks of Madelline Albright( there are other) and the UNSCOM in 1995 . The sanctions ,the wars have destroyed Iraq. The entire world stayed silent . That was genocide . So was Algerian .

    Nobody goes to another country seeking exploitation,destruction of local language and culture and decimation of the fabrics that hold the nation and expect that would be no reaction or revolt . That revolt can't be used as justification for war and massacre of the unarmed civilians . The intention should be evident in the sequence of the events and the corresponding behaviors that produced those murders and genocide .
    , @solontoCroesus

    Next one was the Jewish Holocaust: unconditionally acknowledged by the successors of the perpetrators (Nazi Germans), the new German republic.
    There were some other genocides after WW2: no need to list them all here.
     
    This is bullpucky.

    The notion that Jews were killed en masse in gas chambers is history's most preposterous and long-lived lie.
    It's unraveling is going to bring about extreme trauma and conflict.

    The alleged Jewish holocaust is a lie that the surviving German people were forced to acquiesce to by Allied "victors" among whom Jewish torturers played a prominent role.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thcov/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxh6FC-bwWQ

    On the other hand, if by "Jewish holocaust" you mean the genocide of the German people by carpet bombing, rape, slaughter and population transfer, in each of which form of genocide Jewish persons played a leading role in designing or implementing the acts, then yes, it is undeniable that "the Jewish holocaust (of Germany)" took place.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ


    from the St. Petersburg, Florida Evening Independent: Paris Apr 24 1945 "The Allied bag of German prisoners has passed the one million mark . . .From April 1 to 22 inclusive 992,578 prisoners were killed. It is estimated that well over 20,000 were captured yesterday.

    The "other genocides" that are, arrogantly, "not listed" were carried out in direct and expressed replication of the Allied-Jewish genocide of Germany. The most notable is the genocide of Iraq. There's also the ongoing genocide of Palestinians.

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  209. Avery says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Turks who kill anyone or advocate the same are not my buddies. You don't know Turks it seems. They come is all shapes, sizes and colors and the ones I know are frank about the horrors of the Armenian genocide, a view that I share incidentally. But I thought we were talking about free speech? A genocide or holocaust law that punishes people for denying it is not free speech, is it?

    Sir, do you have free speech to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater ?
    Do you have free speech to joke about a “bomb” on an airplane ?

    There are well established exceptions to free speech: I am no attorney, but it is called “Fighting words” exception (I believe).
    So the 1st amendment is not absolute.

    Those who deny the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide are no different.
    To me AG denial is “fighting words”.

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    Those who deny the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide are no different.
    To me AG denial is “fighting words”.
     
    This may be a mistaken equivalence, Avery.

    The alleged Jewish holocaust is just that -- alleged, not proved with evidence and facts assessed logically; one more appropriately uses the term propagandized. No documents exist that give evidence that Germany planned, intended and carried out the extermination by gas chamber of Jews.

    On the other hand, at the Cathedral in Joffa, the Armenian quarter in Isfehan, Iran, documents signed by Armenian leaders are on display; they give instruction to subordinates for eradication of Armenians. http://irangazette.com/en/about-iran/iran-cities/shiraz/2-uncategorised/231-isfahan-vank-cathedral.html

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  210. KA says:
    @Avery
    First: I do not live in France, so do not know if there is a collective amnesia there about Algeria or not.
    I know the Gov has refused to apologize for their colonial rule in Algeria.

    Second: there is no evidence that French committed _genocide_ in Algiers.
    Massacres ? Yes.
    War Crimes ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Torture ? Yes. (side note: anyone who has not seen the excellent movie “Battle for Algiers” by Gillo Pontecorvo, should.).

    But not everything is genocide.
    Did French imperialists go to Algiers with the intention of exterminating the indigenous population ?
    There is no evidence.
    I know people want to call everything genocide: but, sorry, not everything is.
    There are practically an unlimited number of various atrocities committed by humans against other humans.
    But there are very few genocides.

    First one in modern times was the Herrero genocide: acknowledged by the perpetrators, Germans.
    The next was the Armenian Genocide: denied to this day by the perpetrators, the Turks.
    Aided and abetted by some Americans (Anglo),some Jewish-Americans, some Jewish-French, some Israelis,…..
    Next one was the Jewish Holocaust: unconditionally acknowledged by the successors of the perpetrators (Nazi Germans), the new German republic.
    There were some other genocides after WW2: no need to list them all here.

    I think the French government ought to unconditionally apologize to the Algerian people for their colonial mis-rule and the atrocities French military committed there.
    But even Algerians do not consider the French colonial rule a genocide.

    [Algeria asks Turkey to drop French genocide talk]
    {The Algerian prime minister has asked Turkish officials to refrain from bringing up Algeria’s history during the period of french colonization, delivering a strong message that Algeria is disturbed by the mention of its history in a quarrel between Turkey and France.
    Algerian Prime Minister Ahmed Ouyahia on Saturday asked Turkey to stop referring to its history as part of a problem that Turkey and France have, The Associated Press reported.
    Ouyahia said countries have the right to defend their interests, but they have no right to “make the blood of Algerians their business,” Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported on Saturday. “We say to our [Turkish] friends: Stop making capital out of Algeria’s colonization,” the news agency quoted the prime minister as saying. Ouyahia further accused Turkey of having provided material support to France since it was a member of NATO during the Algerian War.}
    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_algeria-asks-turkey-to-drop-french-genocide-talk_267944.html

    (btw: population of Algeria as of 2014 is 38.8 million)

    Something like 70%-80% of Armenians in Western Armenia of Ottoman Turkey were exterminated.
    Same with Jews in Europe: if not for the Red Army crushing the Nazi war machine, the plan of the Nazis was to exterminate every last Jew (…and Slav) for their Lebensraum.

    Tell me honestly then: do you really believe French went to Indochina or Algeria to exterminate the local populations ?
    [The Specific Intent (Dolus Specialis) Requirement of the Crime of Genocide]

    Why slaughters in Algeria or in Vietnam( US) and in Iraq don’t count as genocide? Intention ? How do you ascribe intention ? That argument is not valid . It won’t wash .
    Algeria still under good amount of control by France won’t have the guts to change the label .May be one day when it had representative gov and not military as ruler ,it would accuse France . Same is true in case of Iraq. US is powerful and Iraq will stay quiet for foreseeable future but that argument will eventually surface including the use of the evidences supplied by the remarks of Madelline Albright( there are other) and the UNSCOM in 1995 . The sanctions ,the wars have destroyed Iraq. The entire world stayed silent . That was genocide . So was Algerian .

    Nobody goes to another country seeking exploitation,destruction of local language and culture and decimation of the fabrics that hold the nation and expect that would be no reaction or revolt . That revolt can’t be used as justification for war and massacre of the unarmed civilians . The intention should be evident in the sequence of the events and the corresponding behaviors that produced those murders and genocide .

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  211. @Avery
    First: I do not live in France, so do not know if there is a collective amnesia there about Algeria or not.
    I know the Gov has refused to apologize for their colonial rule in Algeria.

    Second: there is no evidence that French committed _genocide_ in Algiers.
    Massacres ? Yes.
    War Crimes ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Torture ? Yes. (side note: anyone who has not seen the excellent movie “Battle for Algiers” by Gillo Pontecorvo, should.).

    But not everything is genocide.
    Did French imperialists go to Algiers with the intention of exterminating the indigenous population ?
    There is no evidence.
    I know people want to call everything genocide: but, sorry, not everything is.
    There are practically an unlimited number of various atrocities committed by humans against other humans.
    But there are very few genocides.

    First one in modern times was the Herrero genocide: acknowledged by the perpetrators, Germans.
    The next was the Armenian Genocide: denied to this day by the perpetrators, the Turks.
    Aided and abetted by some Americans (Anglo),some Jewish-Americans, some Jewish-French, some Israelis,…..
    Next one was the Jewish Holocaust: unconditionally acknowledged by the successors of the perpetrators (Nazi Germans), the new German republic.
    There were some other genocides after WW2: no need to list them all here.

    I think the French government ought to unconditionally apologize to the Algerian people for their colonial mis-rule and the atrocities French military committed there.
    But even Algerians do not consider the French colonial rule a genocide.

    [Algeria asks Turkey to drop French genocide talk]
    {The Algerian prime minister has asked Turkish officials to refrain from bringing up Algeria’s history during the period of french colonization, delivering a strong message that Algeria is disturbed by the mention of its history in a quarrel between Turkey and France.
    Algerian Prime Minister Ahmed Ouyahia on Saturday asked Turkey to stop referring to its history as part of a problem that Turkey and France have, The Associated Press reported.
    Ouyahia said countries have the right to defend their interests, but they have no right to “make the blood of Algerians their business,” Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported on Saturday. “We say to our [Turkish] friends: Stop making capital out of Algeria’s colonization,” the news agency quoted the prime minister as saying. Ouyahia further accused Turkey of having provided material support to France since it was a member of NATO during the Algerian War.}
    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_algeria-asks-turkey-to-drop-french-genocide-talk_267944.html

    (btw: population of Algeria as of 2014 is 38.8 million)

    Something like 70%-80% of Armenians in Western Armenia of Ottoman Turkey were exterminated.
    Same with Jews in Europe: if not for the Red Army crushing the Nazi war machine, the plan of the Nazis was to exterminate every last Jew (…and Slav) for their Lebensraum.

    Tell me honestly then: do you really believe French went to Indochina or Algeria to exterminate the local populations ?
    [The Specific Intent (Dolus Specialis) Requirement of the Crime of Genocide]

    Next one was the Jewish Holocaust: unconditionally acknowledged by the successors of the perpetrators (Nazi Germans), the new German republic.
    There were some other genocides after WW2: no need to list them all here.

    This is bullpucky.

    The notion that Jews were killed en masse in gas chambers is history’s most preposterous and long-lived lie.
    It’s unraveling is going to bring about extreme trauma and conflict.

    The alleged Jewish holocaust is a lie that the surviving German people were forced to acquiesce to by Allied “victors” among whom Jewish torturers played a prominent role.

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thcov/

    On the other hand, if by “Jewish holocaust” you mean the genocide of the German people by carpet bombing, rape, slaughter and population transfer, in each of which form of genocide Jewish persons played a leading role in designing or implementing the acts, then yes, it is undeniable that “the Jewish holocaust (of Germany)” took place.

    from the St. Petersburg, Florida Evening Independent: Paris Apr 24 1945 “The Allied bag of German prisoners has passed the one million mark . . .From April 1 to 22 inclusive 992,578 prisoners were killed. It is estimated that well over 20,000 were captured yesterday.

    The “other genocides” that are, arrogantly, “not listed” were carried out in direct and expressed replication of the Allied-Jewish genocide of Germany. The most notable is the genocide of Iraq. There’s also the ongoing genocide of Palestinians.

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  212. @Avery
    Sir, do you have free speech to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater ?
    Do you have free speech to joke about a "bomb" on an airplane ?

    There are well established exceptions to free speech: I am no attorney, but it is called "Fighting words" exception (I believe).
    So the 1st amendment is not absolute.

    Those who deny the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide are no different.
    To me AG denial is "fighting words".

    Those who deny the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide are no different.
    To me AG denial is “fighting words”.

    This may be a mistaken equivalence, Avery.

    The alleged Jewish holocaust is just that — alleged, not proved with evidence and facts assessed logically; one more appropriately uses the term propagandized. No documents exist that give evidence that Germany planned, intended and carried out the extermination by gas chamber of Jews.

    On the other hand, at the Cathedral in Joffa, the Armenian quarter in Isfehan, Iran, documents signed by Armenian leaders are on display; they give instruction to subordinates for eradication of Armenians. http://irangazette.com/en/about-iran/iran-cities/shiraz/2-uncategorised/231-isfahan-vank-cathedral.html

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    "... documents signed by Armenian leaders are on display; they give instruction to subordinates for eradication of Armenians."

    Did you mean to write "Turkish leaders" in the above sentence?
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  213. KA says:

    From http://www.antiwar.com

    A better comparison might be Sen. Joe McCarthy,who spent several years investigating, blacklisting, and destroying careers of citizens under the mantle of anti-Communism. Geller may be talking cartoons right now, but just a few years ago she was demanding loyalty tests and warning an audience at her unofficial 2010 CPAC event that Islamists had infiltrated every level of the U.S. government.

    Just two months later, Geller started the group Stop Islamicization of America and led a rally through the streets of downtown Manhattan in order to shut down the construction of an Islamic center she declared to be an affront to the victims of 9/11. The only connection between the center and the dead 9/11 hijackers, of course, was that they shared the same faith.

    It is difficult for Geller, 58, not to tip her anti-Muslim hand. A wealthy socialite who loves the spotlight and the camera, she often lapses into her real feelings during press interviews, such as this one with The Times of Israel. After calling herself a “human rights activist,” Geller all but declares that the only path for a Muslim to become moderate is to stop being so Muslim.

    Later on in the interview, she declared that “all of the major Muslim organizations in the U.S. are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. That is not a conspiracy theory, that is conspiracy fact.” Since Geller and her friends believe that members of the Muslim Brotherhood are terrorists-in-waiting, is she not saying all major Islamic organizations in the U.S. (representing more than 5 million Muslim-Americans today) are linked to terrorism and should therefore be investigated and/or shuttered?

    Then there is her association with Geert Wilders, who joined her event in Texas. The Dutch parliamentarian and frequent guest on the Geller train is known for calling for a ban on the Koran and for [staunching the flow of Muslim to EU]

    t Geller, Spencer, and their pal Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy have accused CPAC of treating with terrorists, particularly targeting organizer Suhail Kahn and long-time conservative power-broker and CPAC board member Grover Norquist. Not only have all three attacked Norquist for allegedly hanging out with “radicals” and accused Kahn of being one but they have also charged the popular Americans for Tax Reform president with bringing jihadists into the Bush White House, and they have repeatedly assailed Norquist’s wife.

    “Grover Norquist’s ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes—who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005—are very active in ‘Muslim Outreach,’” Geller wrote in 2010. She goes on to elaborately connect-the-dots between the “silver tongued jihadists” he supposedly introduced to President Bush with card-carrying terrorist sympathizers, saying Norquist “had given Muslims with jihad terror links access to the highest levels of the U.S. government.”

    . She is also drawing fire, literally. Even the mayor of the unfortunate town where the attack happened said she invited the attack.

    “That’s the price we pay for living in a relatively free society,” said Mike Lofgren. “But if someone ends up getting killed as a result of her shenanigans, she really might want to rethink this stuff.”
    By
    Kelley Beaucar Vlahos is a Washington, D.C.-based freelance reporter and TAC contributing editor ”
    http://www.antiwar.com

    I will go further andI can safely argue that Geller is no different than a Nazi ideologue .
    She and her asociate blame Muslim collectively
    She and her associate want Muslim to be stoopped from coming to EU and West.
    She and her associate want Koran should be banned
    , her fellow ideologue has denounced the food and dress habit of Muslim of SE Asian.
    She finds Muslim savage .

    She gets active support from judiciary ( who denied Muslim the same opportunity that judiciary gave to her)

    She reminds the Nazi propaganda of Yellow Ribbon,( now one cant wear ceratin dress) believing in ” blood libel ,” ( now it is Koran ) ” or in ritual Christian child killing” and contamination of Aryan ( stop the flow of Muslim) .
    Muslim can’t serve government. ( Nazi wanted Jews leave government offices )
    Muslim is suspect for being Muslim.( you can’t trust Jews- the nazi slogan )
    Recently Spain allowed the descendants of Inquistion victim or who flew Spain to claim citizenship if they were also Jews but not Muslim.

    So what Geller and her fellow traveller do are not just keeping it to limited to amuse and fun but to arouse animosity against Muslim at every level and carry it to extreme . Their plan is no different than the plans that nurtured and maintained the vision of Nazism .

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    KA --

    re:


    She reminds the Nazi propaganda of Yellow Ribbon,( now one cant wear ceratin dress) believing in ” blood libel ,” ( now it is Koran ) ” or in ritual Christian child killing” and contamination of Aryan ( stop the flow of Muslim) .
     
    Ascribing mastery at propaganda to Nazis is itself the product of propaganda that has been relentlessly disseminated by British and American -- and, of course zionist Israeli-- sources.

    The Germans were and likely still are not very good propagandists: they were too rational and characteristically, reluctant to resort to emotional appeal, the sine qua non of hasbara and demonization propaganda.

    Joseph Goebbels was propaganda minister for NSDAP; he held a doctorate in literature and kept a copy of Edward Bernays' discourses on propaganda techniques on his bookshelf. In other words, Goebbels was a student of the master propagandist and not the other way around.

    Compare Lili Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" -- an over-the-top film about the accomplishments and pride of the German culture and people, with the anti-German propaganda that Frank Capra produced in answer to "Triumph" -- Capra's film series is filled with hate and demonization and lies.

    The British also had very highly developed expertise in propaganda, dirty tricks, false flag operations and the like. (see Lynne Olson, "Those Angry Days") It may well be that early zionists learned some of their most effective hasbara techniques as well as the methods of killing people and destroying/colonizing their cultures, from the British.

    It is not "pro-Nazi" to insist on accuracy-to-the-facts about the behaviors of various groups engaged in conflict, then just as much as now.

    W H Auden's words remain prophetic, but from a far different perspective: the absolute necessity for "accurate scholarship" is timeless, but the identification of the "psychopathic god" has, in my view, less to do with "what occurred at Linz" and more to do with "what occurred" in Ur, and in Tel Aviv, and Washington, DC --

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

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  214. Merema says:
    @LiveFreeOrDie
    You must be kidding. You need to learn about what it means to be a dhimmi under Islamic rule. While many people may have accepted that status (such as in Spain), it in no way indicates that Islam is "tolerant".

    ‘tolerant’ by the standards of the time. paying extra taxes is better than being annihilated, ethnically cleansed, or outcasted, or forced to convert AND pay extra taxes.

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  215. KA says:

    Following articles covering Lebanon Israel wars 2006
    1 There’s Worse to ComeNice Try ,Mr Bolton
    By Rachard Itani
    2 Goliath Pretending to be David .The Deadly US -Israeli shell game at the UN by Jonathan Cook
    3 The Ever expanding war
    Birth Pangs and the Dead Babies by Sharon Smith
    4 The loser in Lebanon: Atlantic Alliance by Mark Perry and Alstar Crooke ,

    show how the lies built by the free speech exercised by the MSM lead to faulty assumptions by the citizen ,egregious violation of dignity truth,and justice by the US congress ,cabinet ,and by the Europe . It then becomes new hymns scripted for UN and for the international community that then can safely be used for future preemptive violence by Israel .
    Free speech in WSJ can sabotage peace,rehabilitation.rapproachment between warring parties ,and shut down free speech by other . In the process WSJ exactly promotes the same violence that the neocons want . One good example is the article covering the focus of WSJ on the above mentioned results[ intended] is in April 26,2006
    John Fund vs.The Truth
    He lies about Juan Cole – and much else.
    Justin Raimondo.

    Free speech was portrayed subliminally working miracle in the war against terror by the Lincoln Group in Iraq whose virtue and success again was cast in elevated clear relief in NYT by Michael Rubin . He just forgot to mention his financial links to the Pentagon.

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  216. geokat62 says:
    @solontoCroesus

    Those who deny the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide are no different.
    To me AG denial is “fighting words”.
     
    This may be a mistaken equivalence, Avery.

    The alleged Jewish holocaust is just that -- alleged, not proved with evidence and facts assessed logically; one more appropriately uses the term propagandized. No documents exist that give evidence that Germany planned, intended and carried out the extermination by gas chamber of Jews.

    On the other hand, at the Cathedral in Joffa, the Armenian quarter in Isfehan, Iran, documents signed by Armenian leaders are on display; they give instruction to subordinates for eradication of Armenians. http://irangazette.com/en/about-iran/iran-cities/shiraz/2-uncategorised/231-isfahan-vank-cathedral.html

    “… documents signed by Armenian leaders are on display; they give instruction to subordinates for eradication of Armenians.”

    Did you mean to write “Turkish leaders” in the above sentence?

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    geokat62 --

    Yes I did indeed.
    Thank you for correcting a very embarrassing error.
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  217. MEexpert says:

    I have couple of comments on this subject. #1 If criticizing Jews and Israel is hate speech then criticizing Muslims should also be hate speech. The law should apply equally to every one. #2 The Americans are totally ignorant of their own constitution and how the government works. It takes years to pass an amendment to the US constitution. Could anyone explain to me, how in their view, the Muslims will enact Shariah in the United States?

    My final comment is that not only Geller and Spencer but all Americans don’t know anything about Islam. Some bigot selectively makes a wrong comment about Islam and the rest of the people keep recirculating those comments without ever knowing what that means. Every comment that I have read so far in this forum about Islam is totally ignorant of what Islam really is. People take sentences of Quran out of context. Few deranged people who are terrorizing Muslims in the name of “Wahabi” Islam do not define real Islam. If this reasoning were true then what Israel is doing to the Palestinians must mean that Judaism is a terrorist religion.

    By the way, these same people who are terrorizing other Muslims are being supported by our own government.

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  218. KA says:

    Media loves hate ,violence,and loves to hate any compromise,reconciliation or forgiveness . They hate them whether its embarked by individual like the grief stricken father of Nicholas Berg or attempted by group of the relatives of the victims of Pan Am flight over Scotland ( hate against the family ) was orchestrated by Wolfowitz

    The dangerous notion of Michael Berg by Chris Floyd
    http://www.lewrockwell.com 2006

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  219. @Wally
    "Really? Then why don’t you “debunk” it for me, right here and now?"

    In fact, you've already been demolished countless times, see here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+darwin+hannover+lice#p72138
    Ouch!

    I also assume you are still threatening people.
    I also assume that you still call the work places various of Revisionists attempting to get them fired.
    I also assume you still make stalking phone calls to their homes.
    And that's not the half of it.

    Sir, when in a hole it's recommended that you stop digging.

    Regards.

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  220. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Whites outsource patriotism to Israel, and Jews outsource Jewish privilege to whites as ‘wasp privilege’.

    This is why the likes of Geller have so much pull.

    One thing Geller has in common with Liberal Jews: free speech for me, not for thee.

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  221. @geokat62
    "... documents signed by Armenian leaders are on display; they give instruction to subordinates for eradication of Armenians."

    Did you mean to write "Turkish leaders" in the above sentence?

    geokat62 –

    Yes I did indeed.
    Thank you for correcting a very embarrassing error.

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  222. @KA
    From www.antiwar.com


    A better comparison might be Sen. Joe McCarthy,who spent several years investigating, blacklisting, and destroying careers of citizens under the mantle of anti-Communism. Geller may be talking cartoons right now, but just a few years ago she was demanding loyalty tests and warning an audience at her unofficial 2010 CPAC event that Islamists had infiltrated every level of the U.S. government.



    Just two months later, Geller started the group Stop Islamicization of America and led a rally through the streets of downtown Manhattan in order to shut down the construction of an Islamic center she declared to be an affront to the victims of 9/11. The only connection between the center and the dead 9/11 hijackers, of course, was that they shared the same faith.

    It is difficult for Geller, 58, not to tip her anti-Muslim hand. A wealthy socialite who loves the spotlight and the camera, she often lapses into her real feelings during press interviews, such as this one with The Times of Israel. After calling herself a “human rights activist,” Geller all but declares that the only path for a Muslim to become moderate is to stop being so Muslim.

    Later on in the interview, she declared that “all of the major Muslim organizations in the U.S. are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. That is not a conspiracy theory, that is conspiracy fact.” Since Geller and her friends believe that members of the Muslim Brotherhood are terrorists-in-waiting, is she not saying all major Islamic organizations in the U.S. (representing more than 5 million Muslim-Americans today) are linked to terrorism and should therefore be investigated and/or shuttered?

    Then there is her association with Geert Wilders, who joined her event in Texas. The Dutch parliamentarian and frequent guest on the Geller train is known for calling for a ban on the Koran and for [staunching the flow of Muslim to EU]



    t Geller, Spencer, and their pal Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy have accused CPAC of treating with terrorists, particularly targeting organizer Suhail Kahn and long-time conservative power-broker and CPAC board member Grover Norquist. Not only have all three attacked Norquist for allegedly hanging out with “radicals” and accused Kahn of being one but they have also charged the popular Americans for Tax Reform president with bringing jihadists into the Bush White House, and they have repeatedly assailed Norquist’s wife.

    “Grover Norquist’s ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes—who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005—are very active in ‘Muslim Outreach,’” Geller wrote in 2010. She goes on to elaborately connect-the-dots between the “silver tongued jihadists” he supposedly introduced to President Bush with card-carrying terrorist sympathizers, saying Norquist “had given Muslims with jihad terror links access to the highest levels of the U.S. government.”



    . She is also drawing fire, literally. Even the mayor of the unfortunate town where the attack happened said she invited the attack.

    “That’s the price we pay for living in a relatively free society,” said Mike Lofgren. “But if someone ends up getting killed as a result of her shenanigans, she really might want to rethink this stuff.”
    By
    Kelley Beaucar Vlahos is a Washington, D.C.-based freelance reporter and TAC contributing editor "
    www.antiwar.com

    I will go further andI can safely argue that Geller is no different than a Nazi ideologue .
    She and her asociate blame Muslim collectively
    She and her associate want Muslim to be stoopped from coming to EU and West.
    She and her associate want Koran should be banned
    , her fellow ideologue has denounced the food and dress habit of Muslim of SE Asian.
    She finds Muslim savage .

    She gets active support from judiciary ( who denied Muslim the same opportunity that judiciary gave to her)

    She reminds the Nazi propaganda of Yellow Ribbon,( now one cant wear ceratin dress) believing in " blood libel ," ( now it is Koran ) " or in ritual Christian child killing" and contamination of Aryan ( stop the flow of Muslim) .
    Muslim can't serve government. ( Nazi wanted Jews leave government offices )
    Muslim is suspect for being Muslim.( you can't trust Jews- the nazi slogan )
    Recently Spain allowed the descendants of Inquistion victim or who flew Spain to claim citizenship if they were also Jews but not Muslim.

    So what Geller and her fellow traveller do are not just keeping it to limited to amuse and fun but to arouse animosity against Muslim at every level and carry it to extreme . Their plan is no different than the plans that nurtured and maintained the vision of Nazism .

    KA —

    re:

    She reminds the Nazi propaganda of Yellow Ribbon,( now one cant wear ceratin dress) believing in ” blood libel ,” ( now it is Koran ) ” or in ritual Christian child killing” and contamination of Aryan ( stop the flow of Muslim) .

    Ascribing mastery at propaganda to Nazis is itself the product of propaganda that has been relentlessly disseminated by British and American — and, of course zionist Israeli– sources.

    The Germans were and likely still are not very good propagandists: they were too rational and characteristically, reluctant to resort to emotional appeal, the sine qua non of hasbara and demonization propaganda.

    Joseph Goebbels was propaganda minister for NSDAP; he held a doctorate in literature and kept a copy of Edward Bernays’ discourses on propaganda techniques on his bookshelf. In other words, Goebbels was a student of the master propagandist and not the other way around.

    Compare Lili Riefenstahl’s “Triumph of the Will” — an over-the-top film about the accomplishments and pride of the German culture and people, with the anti-German propaganda that Frank Capra produced in answer to “Triumph” — Capra’s film series is filled with hate and demonization and lies.

    The British also had very highly developed expertise in propaganda, dirty tricks, false flag operations and the like. (see Lynne Olson, “Those Angry Days”) It may well be that early zionists learned some of their most effective hasbara techniques as well as the methods of killing people and destroying/colonizing their cultures, from the British.

    It is not “pro-Nazi” to insist on accuracy-to-the-facts about the behaviors of various groups engaged in conflict, then just as much as now.

    W H Auden’s words remain prophetic, but from a far different perspective: the absolute necessity for “accurate scholarship” is timeless, but the identification of the “psychopathic god” has, in my view, less to do with “what occurred at Linz” and more to do with “what occurred” in Ur, and in Tel Aviv, and Washington, DC –

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

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  223. joe webb says:

    Wittenburg, Saxony whose church received the initial 95 theses of Martin Luther…had to look that up, and so the Linz reference is not clear to me, a non-religious type.

    “Emperor Joseph II’s Edict of Tolerance (1781) allowed the Protestant faith to be practised again in Upper Austria. But it was not until 20 October 1844 that the first prayer house in Linz was formally dedicated. The Catholic building rules that applied at the time required the Protestant church to be set back 50 m from the street so as not to dominate the street scene. Today, this distance to Landstrasse
    allows it to be seen better.” wiki

    The “imago” I looked up as well, and discovered that it is the last stage of an insect’s metamorphosis, the adult insect.

    So, assuming that psycho-biology comprehends what Auden means, the last stage implies we are stuck with it, until it dies, of course with its genetic tendencies much reduced in number, not by early termination of many relatively innocent folks, but by some kind of virulent outbreak of Rationality.

    The Talmudics and their Born Agin fundamentalist chillun…Christian they claim, would appear to be always with us, given human psychology which is, from the perspective of imagos, the adult form of species homo sapiens, thus unchangeable in evolutionary terms, for the near term.

    I am reading Harold Bloom’s The American Religion, and am amazed by both him and the Mormons. Bloom has been a major figure in lit crit and has hammered the leftie whackos real good. However, he claims to be a “jewish gnostic” and thus a whack-job himself in this book.

    He , thru his esthetically attuned sensibility, admires and approves of the Mormons, plural marriage (fits the freudo esthetic) and the OT prophets who liked to have lots of women around with whom to satisfy their Nietzschean sexual urges, as well as lusting after Kingship, like the Mormons, who also have their kingly charismatics like Joseph Smith.

    I guess I am still a kind of democrat when I react to this kind of stuff like my earlier 19th century conventional Christians who just wanted to kill Mormons, did kill Joseph Smith, and so on. The warfare continued into Utah and Colorado, about which I have seen roadside monuments to massacres on my travels.

    I encourage others to read Bloom’s The American Religion…we can discuss it, compare and contrast.
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    Adolf Hitler was born just outside Linz and later moved to the city, where he spent most of his childhood.
    His childhood was actually not remarkably different from many Austro-German boys; R H S Stolfi spends a great deal of time discussing Hitler's love of -- and expertise in -- opera, which, Stolfi suggests, may be responsible for Hitler's sense of the dramatic and the classically romantic.

    Imago is used in a less biological, more poetic sense to suggest (something like) a grandiose emerging self-image.

    Many, perhaps Auden among them, believed Hitler had delusions of grandeur.

    The concept of chosenness and also of exceptionalism also suggests the phenomenon of a "huge imago [empowered by] a psychopathic god."

    Rabbi Ken Spiro detailed how the "chosen people" were selected by god to be the moral leaders of all mankind; to "teach mankind moral and ethical values -- that is the mission of the Jewish people." Antisemitism, "a sickness," exists because people do not wish to be moral. Spiro told how Hitler felt threatened by the morality of Jews .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2COCsedCw

    "Find what happened at Sinai
    What huge imago made a psychopathic god . . ."

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  224. Art says:
    @Avery
    Mr. Giraldi:

    would you care to comment about your Turk buddies freely demonstrating against the Armenian Genocide law in France a couple of your ago ?
    Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:

    How about, Sir.

    Like your Denialist Turk buddies, you do deny the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the ancestors of your Islamist Turk buddies: don't you, Sir ?

    “Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:”

    Oh my – once again we see the hate that Jews manifest in people. Divide and conquer – pit one against another – pump hate – one wrong justifies another wrong – these are the tools of the Jews. The Zionist Jews are driving humanity backwards into their kind of ancient tribalness. Their stock and trade is a frenzy of hate. Peace does not have a chance.

    One can ask “are the Zionist Jews an existential threat to humanity?”

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    Sorry to disappoint you, Türkoğlu Art.

    I am not a Jew: “not that there is anything wrong with it (to paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld and George Constanza.)
    I am Armenian-American.
    Orthodox Christian.
    Armenian Apostolic Church Christian.
    Officially adopted Christianity 1,700 years ago.

    Now then: about your Turkophile denialist diatribe.

    The denialist Turks and their denialist Turkophile, radical Islamophile Anti-Christian agents are driving humanity backwards into their kind of ancient “tribalness” (...is that an English word, Türkoğlu ?).

    The Islamist Turkic stock and trade is a frenzy of Anti-Christian hate and Genocide.
    Peace does not have a chance as long as denialist Turks keep murdering Christians and denying it.

    One can ask: “Are denialist Anti-Christian Turks an existential threat humanity ?”
    And one can absolutely answer: Yes, denialist Turks _are_ an existential threat to Humanity.
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  225. @ Y’all anti-Semites rewriting history over who_did_what_to_who_when:

    My name is Barack Obama, I’m a child of ‘The Company’ (we won’t use the three letter acronym in polite conversation), and please don’t let my appearance fool you. I was abandoned with my White grandparents by an intelligence officer/single White mother that couldn’t handle raising a kid and I am a privileged White in my blood and my bones. My persona is leader of the free world and my addictions are geopolitical humanitarian violence, covert dirty wars & associated regime change favoring corporate mafia, related extra-judicial assassinations, false prosecutions of whistle-blowers, destroying personal liberties and mastering political lies feeding false hopes to Black people in America and Africa. My goal is a fantasy of never being held accountable

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    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/22/demons-anonymous/

    If your job is to take folks eyes off the ball, this is about free speech in the here & now. Geller is just one snake in the snake pit, she happens to be Jewish & White which is not unique at all and she shares her nasty traits with people across the religious, racial and social spectrum. Duh.

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  226. Avery says:
    @Art
    "Or your Islamist Turk buddies have the God given right to murder Christians and then Deny it:"

    Oh my – once again we see the hate that Jews manifest in people. Divide and conquer – pit one against another – pump hate – one wrong justifies another wrong – these are the tools of the Jews. The Zionist Jews are driving humanity backwards into their kind of ancient tribalness. Their stock and trade is a frenzy of hate. Peace does not have a chance.

    One can ask “are the Zionist Jews an existential threat to humanity?”

    Sorry to disappoint you, Türkoğlu Art.

    I am not a Jew: “not that there is anything wrong with it (to paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld and George Constanza.)
    I am Armenian-American.
    Orthodox Christian.
    Armenian Apostolic Church Christian.
    Officially adopted Christianity 1,700 years ago.

    Now then: about your Turkophile denialist diatribe.

    The denialist Turks and their denialist Turkophile, radical Islamophile Anti-Christian agents are driving humanity backwards into their kind of ancient “tribalness” (…is that an English word, Türkoğlu ?).

    The Islamist Turkic stock and trade is a frenzy of Anti-Christian hate and Genocide.
    Peace does not have a chance as long as denialist Turks keep murdering Christians and denying it.

    One can ask: “Are denialist Anti-Christian Turks an existential threat humanity ?”
    And one can absolutely answer: Yes, denialist Turks _are_ an existential threat to Humanity.

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  227. KA says:

    “Jean Sarkozy,worthy son of his father and already UMP councillor ,emerged almost to applause after his court case for not stopping after an accident on his scooter. The prosecutor even asked for him to be cleared. You have to remember the plaintiff was an Arab” Sine’ wrote . He also wrote about his recent engagement . Maurice Sinet was fired from Charlie Hedbo. At the end of the cartoon Sine said” Sarkozy would go far in life”

    Very soon he was accused like a deluge coming over him from many sources including from Claude Askolovitch a,French Jewish radio host and by Roger Cohen of NYT . It was Antisemitic ,stereotype by association, it was hate speech,it was Dreyfus Affair to these gate keepers to the sprawinlg lounge of the speech .

    New Yorker published a cartoon showing Obama as Muslim and it was praised .
    Irshad Manji gets funded by the American Jewish Committee .
    ( The cae of Maurice Sinet . The antisemitism incitement craze . By Susan Hammad , an intern at The Nation )
    Sine didnt apologize as was demanded . He was fired .
    Irshad Manji does tours ,shares platform with TV host and gets featured by NYT . Islamofasism is the buzz word that was inserted in her head by the same folks who has mainstreamed Islamophobia in US and west .
    Pamella Geller is 55 . She will ” go far in life” so will Manji as long the drum of the freedom of the speech hums along like a rattle snake scaring the rest .

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  228. KA says:

    The victims of the freedom of speech inlcude quite a few
    Desmond Tutu at Minnesota College
    ErwinChemerinsky ( http://www.commondreams.org Sept 16 ,2007) at UC at Irvine .

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  229. @joe webb
    Wittenburg, Saxony whose church received the initial 95 theses of Martin Luther...had to look that up, and so the Linz reference is not clear to me, a non-religious type.

    "Emperor Joseph II’s Edict of Tolerance (1781) allowed the Protestant faith to be practised again in Upper Austria. But it was not until 20 October 1844 that the first prayer house in Linz was formally dedicated. The Catholic building rules that applied at the time required the Protestant church to be set back 50 m from the street so as not to dominate the street scene. Today, this distance to Landstrasse
    allows it to be seen better." wiki

    The "imago" I looked up as well, and discovered that it is the last stage of an insect's metamorphosis, the adult insect.

    So, assuming that psycho-biology comprehends what Auden means, the last stage implies we are stuck with it, until it dies, of course with its genetic tendencies much reduced in number, not by early termination of many relatively innocent folks, but by some kind of virulent outbreak of Rationality.

    The Talmudics and their Born Agin fundamentalist chillun...Christian they claim, would appear to be always with us, given human psychology which is, from the perspective of imagos, the adult form of species homo sapiens, thus unchangeable in evolutionary terms, for the near term.

    I am reading Harold Bloom's The American Religion, and am amazed by both him and the Mormons. Bloom has been a major figure in lit crit and has hammered the leftie whackos real good. However, he claims to be a "jewish gnostic" and thus a whack-job himself in this book.

    He , thru his esthetically attuned sensibility, admires and approves of the Mormons, plural marriage (fits the freudo esthetic) and the OT prophets who liked to have lots of women around with whom to satisfy their Nietzschean sexual urges, as well as lusting after Kingship, like the Mormons, who also have their kingly charismatics like Joseph Smith.

    I guess I am still a kind of democrat when I react to this kind of stuff like my earlier 19th century conventional Christians who just wanted to kill Mormons, did kill Joseph Smith, and so on. The warfare continued into Utah and Colorado, about which I have seen roadside monuments to massacres on my travels.

    I encourage others to read Bloom's The American Religion...we can discuss it, compare and contrast.
    Joe Webb

    Adolf Hitler was born just outside Linz and later moved to the city, where he spent most of his childhood.
    His childhood was actually not remarkably different from many Austro-German boys; R H S Stolfi spends a great deal of time discussing Hitler’s love of — and expertise in — opera, which, Stolfi suggests, may be responsible for Hitler’s sense of the dramatic and the classically romantic.

    Imago is used in a less biological, more poetic sense to suggest (something like) a grandiose emerging self-image.

    Many, perhaps Auden among them, believed Hitler had delusions of grandeur.

    The concept of chosenness and also of exceptionalism also suggests the phenomenon of a “huge imago [empowered by] a psychopathic god.”

    Rabbi Ken Spiro detailed how the “chosen people” were selected by god to be the moral leaders of all mankind; to “teach mankind moral and ethical values — that is the mission of the Jewish people.” Antisemitism, “a sickness,” exists because people do not wish to be moral. Spiro told how Hitler felt threatened by the morality of Jews …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2COCsedCw

    “Find what happened at Sinai
    What huge imago made a psychopathic god . . .”

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  230. KA says:

    Why the play ” My Name is Rachel Corrie” was not staged in the theaters both in Toronto and in New York?

    The reason given by the board member was ” My view was it would provoke a negative reaction in the Jewish community”

    http://www.salon.com Sept 12, 2007
    Selective Defender of free expression.
    Glenn Greenwald

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  231. joe webb says:

    Ok, looked up Solon and Croseus too.

    the you tube video of this jew is pretty amazing, the stories we tell ourselves. Kevin MacDonald here with the self-deception psycho-dynamic.

    I suppose this is why the world could end with a bang.

    Hitler threatened by the “morality” of the Jews? that’s a good one. Of course, the early 30s cooperation with jews to send them to Palestine suggests that substantial agreement in terms of separation ….a shared value (!). I understand that a commemorative medal was struck with a star-of-david on one side and a swastika on the other side to celebrate the transfer agreement

    Since maybe we can all agree that we live in a world without god or gods, and that the only guide to general welfare of all “mankind” is the recognition of human nature in its evolutionary context, then without a psychopathic god, we have to deal with the psychopaths amongst us as well as just the temporarily deranged , and hold out for rationality to gain ground..

    specifically, the desert of Sinai and deserts in general that help shape the genomes of people who live in them for long periods…have contributed to the genetic differences of semites and europeans. Harshness on the one hand, and only difficulty on the other hand.

    I have come to believe that Semites are a problem race. Look at the sex obsessions that they have, compared to the West. While we were inventing romantic love, the semites were growing harems or just generally Oppressing (sorry) their women…orthodox jews today … and enslaving White women on the Barbarry Coast. Don’t forget the female “cutting” euphemism that it is. I saw that Egypt today still “cuts” about 90% of its women

    I just had a conversation with a mother and son…Iranian. They are wealthy from, believe it or not the rug merchant trade first, and then other enterprises following over 3 generations. Why they were ‘sharing’ this info with me I dunno, but it sounds plausible, their story. Two uncles of the 40ish son have stolen several millions…from this man and his mother, their sister. They are distraught

    too many details…but this happens anywhere I guess, but seems particularly true of, yes, semites. I know, some of you are going to say Persians are not semites. I don’t agree. Persia allegedly started out white and then , too many Arab camel drivers , you know…I have met Persians who are as White as I am, light hair and blue eyes. But.

    Iran and the Arab countries have the same IQs per Lynn’s books, @ mid 80s with Egypt at 81.
    This mother and son are very unhappy with their family situation (violation #1 of nature).
    They have money and the son is accomplished in business but is bored (violation #2 of nature…to have useful work with your fellows…he is alienated from his countrymen.)..they fled in 1979.
    Possible violation #3, he is homosexual and has no kids to stabilize and integrate his life socially.”’

    I gave these folks the numbers on their Iranian IQ and they did not blink…they can see it. What is the point? Violation of nature #4. alienated from one’s countrymen due to intelligence and crazy religion at home. I told them to divert themselves and figure out something else to do, get a dog, or start some study of something unrelated.
    ———
    “… more to do with “what occurred” in Ur, and in Tel Aviv, and Washington, DC ” OK, what occurred at Ur, I have no idea, please elucidate. What happened in Tel Aviv, a new city, and DC is that Deuteronomy, dancing rabbis, Puritans searching for the New Israel, and neocons in DC and New York hectoring their Protestant and other only semi-Christian troops …send them off to crusade for Israel singing Onward Christian Soldiers. Kill and die for Israel, such a salvationary deal.

    Trying to be sober here, the jews and their dupes are not psychopaths, well maybe the neocons are (to contradict my earlier remarks on just who IS a psychopath) but the self-inflation, self-righteousness, prideful arrogance…that is our American Religion and our un-doing, hubris and nemesis and all that. Do we deserve it? my kids don’t.

    joe Webb

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  232. joe webb says:

    “huge imago” I still like the image of an insect…metamorphosing into its true self…a larger version of it still insect being.

    It may be that our own imago are disturbing the possibilities of social and individual peace.

    I recall a couple american poets watching a freight train rumble past. One says to the other, ”that’s what we all want to be.” maybe a Lowell and a Williams.

    If so we be in big trouble. However, White men arguably have kept this under control largely per our history of democratic gov’t going back Germanic tribes, Icelandic Sagas, Greece and Rome, with all their warts too.

    Then , there are the chinks and Oriental Despotism cruising around in their SUVs and buying lucky real estate. Whites may just be eaten by all these subhumans.
    Joe Webb

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  233. Ace says:
    @tsotha

    Pamela Geller, who recently staged the “Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” in Garland Texas that resulted in two deaths...
     
    This is really disingenuous phrasing. The people who died did so because they were trying to stage a mass murder. Someone should pin a medal on her.

    You nailed it. That about sums up what’s wrong with this article.

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  234. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous
    Giraldi is a Jew hater but I support to his death his right to express his hatred.

    There is no need to mix Jews with the Zionists. The best Jewish intellectuals and ethicists would be against the hate-filled Geller.
    “Why Israel Should Not Exist”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/19/why-israel-should-not-exist/

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  235. @Wally
    "Really? Then why don’t you “debunk” it for me, right here and now?"

    In fact, you've already been demolished countless times, see here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+darwin+hannover+lice#p72138
    Ouch!

    I also assume you are still threatening people.
    I also assume that you still call the work places various of Revisionists attempting to get them fired.
    I also assume you still make stalking phone calls to their homes.
    And that's not the half of it.

    Sir, when in a hole it's recommended that you stop digging.

    Regards.

    What’s the matter, Alice? Took your ball and ran home?

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  236. joe webb says:

    surely not the first time it has been pointed out: that multiple gods as opposed to one god means a more pluralistic division of power.

    Greco-Roman and Germanic multiple gods and goddesses, just to speak of our own race, appears to be pretty democratic as opposed to Jehovah, and perhaps other desert Gods who went in for Absolute Dictatorship.

    Following maybe Marx and our own evolutionary thinkers, man creates god in his own image. If your genes are mean and nasty, your God will be likewise. Etc.

    One thing seems to be certain. People like excitement as opposed to the same old drudgery. Religion takes care of various needs, anxieties, of which sociability is probably paramount. Good social relations can lead to excitement of a rich type, and opposed to the disappointments of bad social relations.

    Leaving aside race issues, being around smart and “fun” people creates a social high. Add to this, crises of any type, and social groups generate strong affiliation pleasures, if pleasure is the right word. Add charismatics, and we start to get into the possibilities of shamanism, or extreme charismatics.

    We use art and entertainment to excite ourselves. This is also true of intellectual life , at least in political matters. Smart people are better at “entertaining” themselves and creating their own excitement.

    Dull people lean on charismatic figures, etc. Low reactors to stimuli reach for extreme forms of excitement to feel alive, while smart people who are high reactors, can get a thrill out of a line of poetry.

    It follows that religion of the experiential kind, as opposed to religion of the text, is attractive to the dimmer sorts.

    That is what we got today, with what Harold Bloom, calls the American Relgion, from Mormons to Seventh Day Adventists…there are about 7 of these experientially and shamanistic fundamentalist religions that arre considered Christian by ordinary folks, but are not Christian in any traditional meaning.

    The stupider one gets, the more primitive the religion, primitive including shamanism, dancing, trances, frenzy, etc.

    Then, when mushy thinking and psychological weakness presents itself, like in the New Age goofiness of our time, fantastic mental constructs are invented, which can be considered reaction formations in the face of death, social degradation, etc. Thus, smarter folks can also be deluded.

    As William James ( was it?) remarked, we need a moral equivalent of war, to get people excited enough to, in the current race situation, to start a new kind of religion. Right now we got a kind of New Age religion called Race Equality, that fires people up for a while anyway, particularly lapsed Christians. However after so many failed messiahs and promised lands, religious fervor will die away sooner or later over the holy Negro. The Chinese and the Mexicans will never be holy, if for no other reason than that Hollywood’s bosses won’t do movies about them .

    How to make Whiteness an exciting affair, may be contingent upon Darkness blowing-up real good, like long hot summers, depression linked to third world immigration, and especially the invasion now of the Chinese….everyone I talk to about it is alarmed, the new yellow peril.

    Also, a profound appreciation of evolution and the natural world is a kind of quieter excitement of wonder, that, alas is only available for smarter people. However, to get dimmer Whites excited, just let the darkies start coming at them real good. And the chinks, who can scare upper-middle Whites like darkies cannot.

    Joe WEbb

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  237. geokat62 says:

    “Following maybe Marx and our own evolutionary thinkers, man creates god in his own image.”

    The true source for this insight is Xenophanes, who preceded Marx by close to 2,500 years:

    But if cattle and horses and lions had hands or could paint with their hands and create works such as men do, horses like horses and cattle like cattle also would depict the gods’ shapes and make their bodies of such a sort as the form they themselves have.

    Ethiopians say that their gods are snub–nosed [σιμούς] and black, Thracians that they are pale and red-haired.

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    thanks geokat.
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  238. joe webb says:
    @geokat62
    "Following maybe Marx and our own evolutionary thinkers, man creates god in his own image."

    The true source for this insight is Xenophanes, who preceded Marx by close to 2,500 years:

    But if cattle and horses and lions had hands or could paint with their hands and create works such as men do, horses like horses and cattle like cattle also would depict the gods' shapes and make their bodies of such a sort as the form they themselves have.
    ...
    Ethiopians say that their gods are snub–nosed [σιμούς] and black, Thracians that they are pale and red-haired.
     

    thanks geokat.

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  239. joe webb says:

    speaking of movies about the Chinese. I recommend Deadwood, by HBO and written/conceived brilliantly by Milch, a jew.

    I plug this series, 3 years worth from 2000 to 2003 as , pardon me, the only thing really worth watching on your screen. It is Shakespearean. You have to put up with the foul language at first…they talked about this issue…trying to get the cuss words of 1876 to work for us just did not work, so they use ours.

    Point: the Chinese are treated very roughly. How true historically the Chinese behaviors depicted are I don’t know. The depiction of blacks is semi bowdlerized and the treatment of one jew is totally a lie. Probably the only way to get it onto HBO.

    It would not surprise me if Milch would have done it very differently.

    Why bother? both for great entertainment and in our case, for a little anthropology on the Chinese.

    Then, there was the movie Chinatown of a couple decades back. could not be done today .
    The punch line in the movie, concerning the mystery of events was: “its Chinatown.” Inscrutability.

    Well today, anyone familiar with China as well as Chinese behavior here and elsewhere, would have the more correct answer: “its Chinese”…as in Chinese genes.

    As a footnote, Chinese women where I live (Silicon Valley) have very wandering eyes. They luv the blond hair and blue eyes. Very attuned to making a better deal than with their unattractive males.

    such a deal Joe Webb

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  240. joe webb says:

    I see in today’s news another story on Chinese spies in US tech firms.

    A few years ago, I fell down on my motorcycle when skidding on sand in the roadway. I called the town of Woodside (rich man’s town in Silicon Valley) and they sent a guy out to help figure out where the sand came from. We spent about an hour driving around looking for a source, like maybe a construction site, to no avail. The Woodside town engineer went returned to work, and I started knocking on doors. The first house I went to was answered by a nice white gal. She said, ” Oh, I can tell you where that sand came from…it is from the town working on the road. They threw sand over the oiling of cracks in the asphalt.”

    I went back to town hall and the same guy who was leading me around looking for snarks greeted me. Instead of going over the counter and pounding the SOB, I simply stated the facts. He simply gave me a form to fill out for compensation.

    He was a Chink, Chinese variety. I got my money out of the town. A few years later I was in there on other business and I remarked this story to the white engineers helping me.. They laughed, and agreed that the chink was some piece of work. They had got rid of him.

    This was before I wised up. Since then, our area is now swarming with these Other-lifes.
    These hominids are pure hell.

    Joe Webb

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  241. Bob says:
    @Yevardian
    Islam and Judaism are two different sides of the same supremacist coin. At least Muslims take converts and are (generally) open about what they believe.

    “What they believe” is dependent on how many of them there are and how well they are armed with respect to their neighbors.

    One unarmed muslim in Kansas is most peaceful. A non-muslim standing in Mecca is executed.

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    There is an enormous mosque in Rome with a capacity of 12,000.
    Question to our Muslim friends: any idea when Muslims will allow a church to be built in Mecca?

    Millions of Muslims are living safely and comfortably in Christian Europe.
    Christians, who were the indigenous religion of Middle East, are all but gone by now.
    Question to our Muslim friends: any idea how did that happen ?
    I am sure Islamic violence against Christians had nothing to do with it.

    Christianity is about 600 years older than Islam.
    Islam was born in Mecca, Arabia.
    From its tiny footprint it has spread to the entirety of Middle East.
    No doubt the spread was by peaceful persuasion: sure it was.
    Muslims who were most generously allowed to come and live in Christian Europe are now demanding that certain European cities not hold Christmas celebrations, because it apparently offends them.

    Turks are demanding that Hagia Sophia in occupied Constantinople be converted to a functioning mosque.

    But you will never hear Islamophile Turkophile Mr. Giraldi say anything bad about his Turk buddies. His only concern are Israel and Israelis.
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  242. Avery says:
    @Bob
    "What they believe" is dependent on how many of them there are and how well they are armed with respect to their neighbors.

    One unarmed muslim in Kansas is most peaceful. A non-muslim standing in Mecca is executed.

    There is an enormous mosque in Rome with a capacity of 12,000.
    Question to our Muslim friends: any idea when Muslims will allow a church to be built in Mecca?

    Millions of Muslims are living safely and comfortably in Christian Europe.
    Christians, who were the indigenous religion of Middle East, are all but gone by now.
    Question to our Muslim friends: any idea how did that happen ?
    I am sure Islamic violence against Christians had nothing to do with it.

    Christianity is about 600 years older than Islam.
    Islam was born in Mecca, Arabia.
    From its tiny footprint it has spread to the entirety of Middle East.
    No doubt the spread was by peaceful persuasion: sure it was.
    Muslims who were most generously allowed to come and live in Christian Europe are now demanding that certain European cities not hold Christmas celebrations, because it apparently offends them.

    Turks are demanding that Hagia Sophia in occupied Constantinople be converted to a functioning mosque.

    But you will never hear Islamophile Turkophile Mr. Giraldi say anything bad about his Turk buddies. His only concern are Israel and Israelis.

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    Haga Sophia is not a mosque . What about Alhambra and few other big mosques that got converted into churches in Spain?
    Well it gets worst . Spain has offered citizenship to those who could trace their ancestry back to the expelled community of 1492 .But they have to be Jewish. No Moslem is welcome .
    Rather than looking for an answer to the events that took place centuries ago, one should look closer and ask why the lives of Christian in Syria ,Iran,and Libya took turn for worst after 2003 and particularly after 2012?Why ?
    Do you think Muslim like their bonds broken into thousand pieces ? May be Falwell,Graham,Robertson,Ted Cruz ,British SAS ,Boykin, and ISIS could offer some insight .
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  243. KA says:
    @Avery
    There is an enormous mosque in Rome with a capacity of 12,000.
    Question to our Muslim friends: any idea when Muslims will allow a church to be built in Mecca?

    Millions of Muslims are living safely and comfortably in Christian Europe.
    Christians, who were the indigenous religion of Middle East, are all but gone by now.
    Question to our Muslim friends: any idea how did that happen ?
    I am sure Islamic violence against Christians had nothing to do with it.

    Christianity is about 600 years older than Islam.
    Islam was born in Mecca, Arabia.
    From its tiny footprint it has spread to the entirety of Middle East.
    No doubt the spread was by peaceful persuasion: sure it was.
    Muslims who were most generously allowed to come and live in Christian Europe are now demanding that certain European cities not hold Christmas celebrations, because it apparently offends them.

    Turks are demanding that Hagia Sophia in occupied Constantinople be converted to a functioning mosque.

    But you will never hear Islamophile Turkophile Mr. Giraldi say anything bad about his Turk buddies. His only concern are Israel and Israelis.

    Haga Sophia is not a mosque . What about Alhambra and few other big mosques that got converted into churches in Spain?
    Well it gets worst . Spain has offered citizenship to those who could trace their ancestry back to the expelled community of 1492 .But they have to be Jewish. No Moslem is welcome .
    Rather than looking for an answer to the events that took place centuries ago, one should look closer and ask why the lives of Christian in Syria ,Iran,and Libya took turn for worst after 2003 and particularly after 2012?Why ?
    Do you think Muslim like their bonds broken into thousand pieces ? May be Falwell,Graham,Robertson,Ted Cruz ,British SAS ,Boykin, and ISIS could offer some insight .

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    You either did not read what I wrote or are deliberately ignoring the contents.

    Again: Christianity is 600 years older than Islam.
    Including Christianity in Spain.
    Those mosques that were converted, got converted back to churches - after the Muslim invaders had converted them to mosques.
    Churches existed centuries before Islam was born.
    Including churches in Spain.

    And, No: we are not going to ignore events that took place centuries ago.
    We are not going to start the history of the world when it is convenient for Muslims.
    Yes: US and UK illegally invaded Iraq, for example.
    I have noted that in many of my posts @unz.com.
    But the Iraqi invasion had nothing to do with Christians: I consider Bush, Cheney, and Blair war-criminals and Anti-Christians.
    With all his faults, under Saddam Christians were protected in Iraq.
    Now there are none: all the fault of US Neocons - Anti-American, Anti-Christian treasonous scum.

    But placing the blame on Christians for the bloodshed in the Muslim world ignores history: Sunni and Shia Muslim have been slaughtering each other for centuries.
    Still do.

    About Hagia Sophia: read what I wrote. I know it is not a functioning mosque now.
    But Turks _want_ to convert it to a working mosque.
    Like they did to 1000s of Armenian churches: the ones that were not destroyed or converted to cattle barns that is.
    And do you know how Turks from Uyguristan ended up in Constantinople ?
    Have you heard that Muslim Turks committed Genocide against my ancestors, Armenians ?
    And they also committed Genocide against the other Christians of Asia Minor - Assyrians and Pontic Greeks ?
    Muslim Turks exterminated about 4 million Christians in Asia Minor.
    Muslim Turks are invaders in Asia Minor.
    Muslim Turks' homeland is in Uyguristan.
    OK ?

    And Christianity is still 600 years older than Islam.
    Churches existed centuries before Muslims showed up and started destroying and converting them to mosques.

    You complain about Spain: tell me again why is there no single church in Mecca, and why a Christian would be beheaded instantly if he/she showed up there.
    Then we'll discuss Spain.
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  244. Avery says:
    @KA
    Haga Sophia is not a mosque . What about Alhambra and few other big mosques that got converted into churches in Spain?
    Well it gets worst . Spain has offered citizenship to those who could trace their ancestry back to the expelled community of 1492 .But they have to be Jewish. No Moslem is welcome .
    Rather than looking for an answer to the events that took place centuries ago, one should look closer and ask why the lives of Christian in Syria ,Iran,and Libya took turn for worst after 2003 and particularly after 2012?Why ?
    Do you think Muslim like their bonds broken into thousand pieces ? May be Falwell,Graham,Robertson,Ted Cruz ,British SAS ,Boykin, and ISIS could offer some insight .

    You either did not read what I wrote or are deliberately ignoring the contents.

    Again: Christianity is 600 years older than Islam.
    Including Christianity in Spain.
    Those mosques that were converted, got converted back to churches – after the Muslim invaders had converted them to mosques.
    Churches existed centuries before Islam was born.
    Including churches in Spain.

    And, No: we are not going to ignore events that took place centuries ago.
    We are not going to start the history of the world when it is convenient for Muslims.
    Yes: US and UK illegally invaded Iraq, for example.
    I have noted that in many of my posts @unz.com.
    But the Iraqi invasion had nothing to do with Christians: I consider Bush, Cheney, and Blair war-criminals and Anti-Christians.
    With all his faults, under Saddam Christians were protected in Iraq.
    Now there are none: all the fault of US Neocons – Anti-American, Anti-Christian treasonous scum.

    But placing the blame on Christians for the bloodshed in the Muslim world ignores history: Sunni and Shia Muslim have been slaughtering each other for centuries.
    Still do.

    About Hagia Sophia: read what I wrote. I know it is not a functioning mosque now.
    But Turks _want_ to convert it to a working mosque.
    Like they did to 1000s of Armenian churches: the ones that were not destroyed or converted to cattle barns that is.
    And do you know how Turks from Uyguristan ended up in Constantinople ?
    Have you heard that Muslim Turks committed Genocide against my ancestors, Armenians ?
    And they also committed Genocide against the other Christians of Asia Minor – Assyrians and Pontic Greeks ?
    Muslim Turks exterminated about 4 million Christians in Asia Minor.
    Muslim Turks are invaders in Asia Minor.
    Muslim Turks’ homeland is in Uyguristan.
    OK ?

    And Christianity is still 600 years older than Islam.
    Churches existed centuries before Muslims showed up and started destroying and converting them to mosques.

    You complain about Spain: tell me again why is there no single church in Mecca, and why a Christian would be beheaded instantly if he/she showed up there.
    Then we’ll discuss Spain.

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    Take ypur rant somewhere else. Spain isn't Mecca . Turkey isn't Nazi Germany. There is no mosque in Vatican. Vatican has every right not to have any . Saudi beheads everybody but not for their religion. They behead Muslims more than they Jews and Christian.
    Saudiat least doesn't discriminate . They are sick puppy and sickening to everybody but they don't hide like Spain does (trying to expiate guilt like Germany does and forgets about Roma) and get blithely selective in applying standard or justice.
    Current flight of Christian from Levant is related directly to breakdown of the society brought by Western invasion and intentional lack of planning
    Your loss is very sad and will always be . Hopefully world can push Turkey to come clean.
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  245. KA says:
    @Avery
    You either did not read what I wrote or are deliberately ignoring the contents.

    Again: Christianity is 600 years older than Islam.
    Including Christianity in Spain.
    Those mosques that were converted, got converted back to churches - after the Muslim invaders had converted them to mosques.
    Churches existed centuries before Islam was born.
    Including churches in Spain.

    And, No: we are not going to ignore events that took place centuries ago.
    We are not going to start the history of the world when it is convenient for Muslims.
    Yes: US and UK illegally invaded Iraq, for example.
    I have noted that in many of my posts @unz.com.
    But the Iraqi invasion had nothing to do with Christians: I consider Bush, Cheney, and Blair war-criminals and Anti-Christians.
    With all his faults, under Saddam Christians were protected in Iraq.
    Now there are none: all the fault of US Neocons - Anti-American, Anti-Christian treasonous scum.

    But placing the blame on Christians for the bloodshed in the Muslim world ignores history: Sunni and Shia Muslim have been slaughtering each other for centuries.
    Still do.

    About Hagia Sophia: read what I wrote. I know it is not a functioning mosque now.
    But Turks _want_ to convert it to a working mosque.
    Like they did to 1000s of Armenian churches: the ones that were not destroyed or converted to cattle barns that is.
    And do you know how Turks from Uyguristan ended up in Constantinople ?
    Have you heard that Muslim Turks committed Genocide against my ancestors, Armenians ?
    And they also committed Genocide against the other Christians of Asia Minor - Assyrians and Pontic Greeks ?
    Muslim Turks exterminated about 4 million Christians in Asia Minor.
    Muslim Turks are invaders in Asia Minor.
    Muslim Turks' homeland is in Uyguristan.
    OK ?

    And Christianity is still 600 years older than Islam.
    Churches existed centuries before Muslims showed up and started destroying and converting them to mosques.

    You complain about Spain: tell me again why is there no single church in Mecca, and why a Christian would be beheaded instantly if he/she showed up there.
    Then we'll discuss Spain.

    Take ypur rant somewhere else. Spain isn’t Mecca . Turkey isn’t Nazi Germany. There is no mosque in Vatican. Vatican has every right not to have any . Saudi beheads everybody but not for their religion. They behead Muslims more than they Jews and Christian.
    Saudiat least doesn’t discriminate . They are sick puppy and sickening to everybody but they don’t hide like Spain does (trying to expiate guilt like Germany does and forgets about Roma) and get blithely selective in applying standard or justice.
    Current flight of Christian from Levant is related directly to breakdown of the society brought by Western invasion and intentional lack of planning
    Your loss is very sad and will always be . Hopefully world can push Turkey to come clean.

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    No _you_ take _your_ rant to somewhere else.

    You are nobody to give me advice.
    unz.com decides.
    not you, and certainly none of your radical Islamist buddies.
    US has not been emasculate yet. Unlike Europe.

    got that ?
    this is USA.
    Not Islamistan.

    Muslims have no God given right to invade and occupy Christian lands.
    Spain isn't Mecca.
    Neither is Saudi Arabia.

    Fact is there is a vast mosque in Rome.
    Fact is there are no churches in Saudi Arabia.
    When the first church is built in Saudi Arabia, you can rant about Muslims and Christians.

    Christianity 600 years older than Islam.
    Deal with it.
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  246. Avery says:
    @KA
    Take ypur rant somewhere else. Spain isn't Mecca . Turkey isn't Nazi Germany. There is no mosque in Vatican. Vatican has every right not to have any . Saudi beheads everybody but not for their religion. They behead Muslims more than they Jews and Christian.
    Saudiat least doesn't discriminate . They are sick puppy and sickening to everybody but they don't hide like Spain does (trying to expiate guilt like Germany does and forgets about Roma) and get blithely selective in applying standard or justice.
    Current flight of Christian from Levant is related directly to breakdown of the society brought by Western invasion and intentional lack of planning
    Your loss is very sad and will always be . Hopefully world can push Turkey to come clean.

    No _you_ take _your_ rant to somewhere else.

    You are nobody to give me advice.
    unz.com decides.
    not you, and certainly none of your radical Islamist buddies.
    US has not been emasculate yet. Unlike Europe.

    got that ?
    this is USA.
    Not Islamistan.

    Muslims have no God given right to invade and occupy Christian lands.
    Spain isn’t Mecca.
    Neither is Saudi Arabia.

    Fact is there is a vast mosque in Rome.
    Fact is there are no churches in Saudi Arabia.
    When the first church is built in Saudi Arabia, you can rant about Muslims and Christians.

    Christianity 600 years older than Islam.
    Deal with it.

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  247. KA says:

    Your rant is getting closer to be 600 yrs or older. Cry baby- my ancestors were killed by Turkey and Saudi had no churches for me to attend so let’s blame the civil war in levant on the Islam and occupy Nagorna Karabach and expel the Azeris.. What else ? Well blame the attack on Kenya and Ethiopia on Al Shahab .it soothes my anger – 600 yrs old anger!

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    You finally revealed yourself: your illegal rants at least had one useful side effect.

    Nagorno Karabagh was not, quote, "occupied": Artsakh aka Nagorno-Karbagh has been historic Armenian lands for at least 5,000 years.
    NKR was invaded by Azerbaijani military with the intention of ethnically cleansing and exterminating the indigenous Christian Armenian population.
    Another attempt by descendants of nomadic Turkic tribes from East and Central Asia to commit another Genocide of Armenians.
    I am sure you would have preferred that Armenians get wiped-out and not, quote, "occupy" their own lands: but Turks failed this time.
    When a country starts a war, like Azerbaijan did, then it is responsible for all the consequences.

    And since you remember the expelling of Azerbaijani civilians from historic Armenian lands during the war (1991-1994), you also should remember that Armenian civilians living in Azerbaijan SSR, about 500,000 strong, fled for their lives after the massacres of Armenian civilians in Sumgait (1988), Kirovabad (1988), Baku (1990) at the hands of Islamofascist Musavat mobs, with support of Azerbaijani authorities.

    You don't like the unpleasant facts about Islam and Islamofascists, too bad: cry me a river.
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  248. Avery says:
    @KA
    Your rant is getting closer to be 600 yrs or older. Cry baby- my ancestors were killed by Turkey and Saudi had no churches for me to attend so let's blame the civil war in levant on the Islam and occupy Nagorna Karabach and expel the Azeris.. What else ? Well blame the attack on Kenya and Ethiopia on Al Shahab .it soothes my anger - 600 yrs old anger!

    You finally revealed yourself: your illegal rants at least had one useful side effect.

    Nagorno Karabagh was not, quote, “occupied”: Artsakh aka Nagorno-Karbagh has been historic Armenian lands for at least 5,000 years.
    NKR was invaded by Azerbaijani military with the intention of ethnically cleansing and exterminating the indigenous Christian Armenian population.
    Another attempt by descendants of nomadic Turkic tribes from East and Central Asia to commit another Genocide of Armenians.
    I am sure you would have preferred that Armenians get wiped-out and not, quote, “occupy” their own lands: but Turks failed this time.
    When a country starts a war, like Azerbaijan did, then it is responsible for all the consequences.

    And since you remember the expelling of Azerbaijani civilians from historic Armenian lands during the war (1991-1994), you also should remember that Armenian civilians living in Azerbaijan SSR, about 500,000 strong, fled for their lives after the massacres of Armenian civilians in Sumgait (1988), Kirovabad (1988), Baku (1990) at the hands of Islamofascist Musavat mobs, with support of Azerbaijani authorities.

    You don’t like the unpleasant facts about Islam and Islamofascists, too bad: cry me a river.

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    Crimes don't have to follow your definition to be hauled before the court.
    Like your rant,take your numbers somewhere else.
    Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do.
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  249. SFG says:
    @Art
    "but my point is the IDF is not going to go after you because you randomly say bad things about Jews. You have to actually be getting in their way."

    Oh I see - if a Gentile gets “in the way” of a Jew – then the Jew can kill him.

    Make no mistake - Rachel Corrie is a hero – this is NOT over.

    She lay down in front of a bulldozer. You try that enough times, eventually you are going to get killed.

    I don’t actually agree with Israel’s policies against the Palestinians, but she deliberately chose a very risky form of protest and knew well the risks.

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    "She lay down in front of a bulldozer."

    Why do hasbarats always remind me of the big Thompson Twins hit of the '80s: Lies, Lies, Lies, Yeah!

    Here's how four eyewitnesses, who were only 10 metres away when it happened, described the murder of Rachel Corrie:


    The bulldozer drove toward Rachel slowly, gathering earth in its scoop as it went. She knelt there, she did not move. The bulldozer reached her and she began to stand up, climbing onto the mound of earth. She appeared to be looking into the cockpit. The bulldozer continued to push Rachel, so she slipped down the mound of earth, turning as she went. Her faced showed she was panicking and it was clear she was in danger of being overwhelmed.

    All the activists were screaming at the bulldozer to stop and gesturing to the crew about Rachel’s presence. We were in clear view as Rachel had been, they continued. They pushed Rachel, first beneath the scoop, then beneath the blade, then continued till her body was beneath the cockpit. They waited over her for a few seconds, before reversing. They reversed with the blade pressed down, so it scraped over her body a second time. Every second I believed they would stop but they never did.
     

    Click here for details:
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/four-eyewitnesses-describe-murder-rachel-corrie/4460
    , @solontoCroesus

    She lay down in front of a bulldozer. You try that enough times, eventually you are going to get killed.
    . . . she deliberately chose a very risky form of protest and knew well the risks.

     
    Perhaps Rachel Corrie's mistake was to misoverestimate the humanity of Israelis.
    Perhaps what defenders of Israel's murderous actions reflect is pusillanimity. Or awareness of the murderous demon lurking in Israeli soldiers and their leaders.


    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/cron/

    June 5
    A Moment That Fascinated the World
    The Tankman
    An unidentified man stops the tanks.
    By the morning of June 5, the army is in complete control of Beijing. But when all protest in the city seems silenced, the world witnessed one final act of defiance.

    About midday, as a column of tanks slowly moves along Chang'an Boulevard toward Tiananmen Square, an unarmed young man carrying shopping bags suddenly steps out in front of the tanks. Instead of running over him, the first tank tries to go around, but the young man steps in front of it again.

    They repeat this maneuver several more times before the tank stops and turns off its motor.

    The young man climbs on top of the tank and speaks to the driver before jumping back down again. Soon, the young man is whisked to the side of the road by an unidentified group of people and disappears into the crowd.

    To this day, who he was and what became of him remains a mystery.
     
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  250. KA says:
    @Avery
    You finally revealed yourself: your illegal rants at least had one useful side effect.

    Nagorno Karabagh was not, quote, "occupied": Artsakh aka Nagorno-Karbagh has been historic Armenian lands for at least 5,000 years.
    NKR was invaded by Azerbaijani military with the intention of ethnically cleansing and exterminating the indigenous Christian Armenian population.
    Another attempt by descendants of nomadic Turkic tribes from East and Central Asia to commit another Genocide of Armenians.
    I am sure you would have preferred that Armenians get wiped-out and not, quote, "occupy" their own lands: but Turks failed this time.
    When a country starts a war, like Azerbaijan did, then it is responsible for all the consequences.

    And since you remember the expelling of Azerbaijani civilians from historic Armenian lands during the war (1991-1994), you also should remember that Armenian civilians living in Azerbaijan SSR, about 500,000 strong, fled for their lives after the massacres of Armenian civilians in Sumgait (1988), Kirovabad (1988), Baku (1990) at the hands of Islamofascist Musavat mobs, with support of Azerbaijani authorities.

    You don't like the unpleasant facts about Islam and Islamofascists, too bad: cry me a river.

    Crimes don’t have to follow your definition to be hauled before the court.
    Like your rant,take your numbers somewhere else.
    Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do.

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    "Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do."

    You make it sound like the Armenians were trying to take something that did not already belong to them.

    I think this charge more aptly applies to the Ottoman Turks who conquered these lands and their native populations who lived in Asia Minor for millennia before the Turks arrived, not the other way round!
    , @Avery
    {“Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do.”}

    The irrational rants keep spewing unabated: typical Islamist revisionist behaviour.
    Desperately trying to paint the Islamist invaders and murderers as victims.

    Turks’ homeland is in Uyguristan. (that’s next door to China.)
    Turks are uninvited, criminal invaders into Armenian Highlands and Asia Minor.
    Ottoman Turkey and its legal successor state Republic of Turkey were/are illegal criminal states.
    Ottoman Turkey came about after Turks invaded, ethnically cleansed, murdered, massacred, forcibly Islamized, forcibly Turkified the indigenous Christian populations.

    Armenians were fighting foreign invaders, Turks, who had invaded Armenia and were massacring the civilian population.
    No different than the victims of criminal Nazi invasions fighting genocidal Nazis.

    The real vultures are the Turks who committed Genocide against about 4 million Christians of Asia Minor: Armenians, Assyrians, Pontic Greeks.
    The real vultures are the Turks who murdered millions of defenseless old people, women, children, babies.
    Keep spewing your incoherent rants pal: I like nothing better than debunking Islamist revisionists. Gives me the opportunity to expose the lies and revisionism of Islamists.

    See you soon.
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  251. KA says:

    The poster for the promotion of the film was rejected by the Motion Picture Assoc . Reason given was the hoodie _Burlap Bag over the head would be inappropriate for the kids.
    May 19,2006 Chicago Tribune .

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  252. geokat62 says:
    @SFG
    She lay down in front of a bulldozer. You try that enough times, eventually you are going to get killed.

    I don't actually agree with Israel's policies against the Palestinians, but she deliberately chose a very risky form of protest and knew well the risks.

    “She lay down in front of a bulldozer.”

    Why do hasbarats always remind me of the big Thompson Twins hit of the ’80s: Lies, Lies, Lies, Yeah!

    Here’s how four eyewitnesses, who were only 10 metres away when it happened, described the murder of Rachel Corrie:

    The bulldozer drove toward Rachel slowly, gathering earth in its scoop as it went. She knelt there, she did not move. The bulldozer reached her and she began to stand up, climbing onto the mound of earth. She appeared to be looking into the cockpit. The bulldozer continued to push Rachel, so she slipped down the mound of earth, turning as she went. Her faced showed she was panicking and it was clear she was in danger of being overwhelmed.

    All the activists were screaming at the bulldozer to stop and gesturing to the crew about Rachel’s presence. We were in clear view as Rachel had been, they continued. They pushed Rachel, first beneath the scoop, then beneath the blade, then continued till her body was beneath the cockpit. They waited over her for a few seconds, before reversing. They reversed with the blade pressed down, so it scraped over her body a second time. Every second I believed they would stop but they never did.

    Click here for details:

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/four-eyewitnesses-describe-murder-rachel-corrie/4460

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    Arabs always try to embellish. Its they who started the agitation against immigrants Jews,started rejecting White Papers( UK) , and Grady commisson and UN partition plan. They attacked Israel in 1948 and again in 1967 and 1982 , 1996 and 2006. They jointly attacked Israel during Yom Kippur 1973.
    They were the first who the hijacked planes and introduced the car bombs. Arabs have fascination with germ and gas agents. They have been obsessed with developing the ethnically selective germ or bio agents.
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  253. geokat62 says:
    @KA
    Crimes don't have to follow your definition to be hauled before the court.
    Like your rant,take your numbers somewhere else.
    Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do.

    “Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do.”

    You make it sound like the Armenians were trying to take something that did not already belong to them.

    I think this charge more aptly applies to the Ottoman Turks who conquered these lands and their native populations who lived in Asia Minor for millennia before the Turks arrived, not the other way round!

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  254. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @geokat62
    "She lay down in front of a bulldozer."

    Why do hasbarats always remind me of the big Thompson Twins hit of the '80s: Lies, Lies, Lies, Yeah!

    Here's how four eyewitnesses, who were only 10 metres away when it happened, described the murder of Rachel Corrie:


    The bulldozer drove toward Rachel slowly, gathering earth in its scoop as it went. She knelt there, she did not move. The bulldozer reached her and she began to stand up, climbing onto the mound of earth. She appeared to be looking into the cockpit. The bulldozer continued to push Rachel, so she slipped down the mound of earth, turning as she went. Her faced showed she was panicking and it was clear she was in danger of being overwhelmed.

    All the activists were screaming at the bulldozer to stop and gesturing to the crew about Rachel’s presence. We were in clear view as Rachel had been, they continued. They pushed Rachel, first beneath the scoop, then beneath the blade, then continued till her body was beneath the cockpit. They waited over her for a few seconds, before reversing. They reversed with the blade pressed down, so it scraped over her body a second time. Every second I believed they would stop but they never did.
     

    Click here for details:
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/four-eyewitnesses-describe-murder-rachel-corrie/4460

    Arabs always try to embellish. Its they who started the agitation against immigrants Jews,started rejecting White Papers( UK) , and Grady commisson and UN partition plan. They attacked Israel in 1948 and again in 1967 and 1982 , 1996 and 2006. They jointly attacked Israel during Yom Kippur 1973.
    They were the first who the hijacked planes and introduced the car bombs. Arabs have fascination with germ and gas agents. They have been obsessed with developing the ethnically selective germ or bio agents.

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    Right... got it.

    You guys don't seem to get it. The jig is up, the goose is cooked, the days of pulling the wool over the goy's eyes are over. The Hasbara talking points of "a land without a people for a people without a land" no longer work. Thanks to the Internet, the truth is harder to conceal.

    What more and more commenters need to do is pull a page from Bill Clinton's campaign strategy against Bush Sr and incessantly repeat: it's the Lobby stupid!

    BTW - if the Arabs are the real impediment to peace, why did they put forward The Arab Peace Initiative in 2002, and re-endorsed in 2007?
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  255. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous
    Arabs always try to embellish. Its they who started the agitation against immigrants Jews,started rejecting White Papers( UK) , and Grady commisson and UN partition plan. They attacked Israel in 1948 and again in 1967 and 1982 , 1996 and 2006. They jointly attacked Israel during Yom Kippur 1973.
    They were the first who the hijacked planes and introduced the car bombs. Arabs have fascination with germ and gas agents. They have been obsessed with developing the ethnically selective germ or bio agents.

    Right… got it.

    You guys don’t seem to get it. The jig is up, the goose is cooked, the days of pulling the wool over the goy’s eyes are over. The Hasbara talking points of “a land without a people for a people without a land” no longer work. Thanks to the Internet, the truth is harder to conceal.

    What more and more commenters need to do is pull a page from Bill Clinton’s campaign strategy against Bush Sr and incessantly repeat: it’s the Lobby stupid!

    BTW – if the Arabs are the real impediment to peace, why did they put forward The Arab Peace Initiative in 2002, and re-endorsed in 2007?

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  256. @Yevardian
    Islam and Judaism are two different sides of the same supremacist coin. At least Muslims take converts and are (generally) open about what they believe.

    Bullshit. No racial supremacism in Islam. there is in Christian Identity, there is in Nazism, there is in Judaism.

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  257. Avery says:
    @KA
    Crimes don't have to follow your definition to be hauled before the court.
    Like your rant,take your numbers somewhere else.
    Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do.

    {“Remember those days when Armenia was trying to get a slice of Turkey in WW1 like vultures do.”}

    The irrational rants keep spewing unabated: typical Islamist revisionist behaviour.
    Desperately trying to paint the Islamist invaders and murderers as victims.

    Turks’ homeland is in Uyguristan. (that’s next door to China.)
    Turks are uninvited, criminal invaders into Armenian Highlands and Asia Minor.
    Ottoman Turkey and its legal successor state Republic of Turkey were/are illegal criminal states.
    Ottoman Turkey came about after Turks invaded, ethnically cleansed, murdered, massacred, forcibly Islamized, forcibly Turkified the indigenous Christian populations.

    Armenians were fighting foreign invaders, Turks, who had invaded Armenia and were massacring the civilian population.
    No different than the victims of criminal Nazi invasions fighting genocidal Nazis.

    The real vultures are the Turks who committed Genocide against about 4 million Christians of Asia Minor: Armenians, Assyrians, Pontic Greeks.
    The real vultures are the Turks who murdered millions of defenseless old people, women, children, babies.
    Keep spewing your incoherent rants pal: I like nothing better than debunking Islamist revisionists. Gives me the opportunity to expose the lies and revisionism of Islamists.

    See you soon.

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    "

    Most importantly, Gregory set in motion the mass conversion of Armenia to Christianity. According to Agathangelos, the king ordered all pagan shrines to be torn down, and Gregory proceeded to baptize more than 190,000 people into the new faith. Whether the nation converted as quickly as Agathangelos implies is difficult to discern. Certainly by the fifth century, Armenia was well on its way to becoming a "Christian" nation.

    Armenia is an ancient—if not the oldest—model for what we now call Christendom. Church historian Kenneth Scott Latourette notes that the Armenian church "was an instance of what was to be seen again and again, a group adoption of the Christian faith engineered by the accepted leaders and issuing in an ecclesiastical structure which became identified with a particular people, state, or nation."
    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/2005/issue85/8.46.html?start=2
    The pattern would be repeated in Russia by Vladimir and in Scandinavian countries. Similar attempt was made in India .It failed. Mughal emperor Zehangir was against all religion though his nephews did get converted by Portugese.

    But Turkey should come clean for 1915 genocide against Armenia.Reparation,recognition what ever gesture Armenian would agree to
    Just don't confuse Islam or Christianity with Turk or British America respectively.
    There is the danger of the rant and so is the approach to Frane to arbiter given its equally destructive religious and racial wars .
    , @KA
    "Armenian story has another side
    October 16, 2007|By Norman Stone, a historian and the author of "World War I: A Short History"

    -n 1914, when World War I began in earnest, Armenians living in what is now Turkey attempted to set up a national state. Armenians revolted against the Ottoman government, began what we would now call "ethnic cleansing" of the local Turks. Their effort failed and caused the government to deport most Armenians from the area of the revolt for security reasons. Their sufferings en route are well-known.



    First, allegedly critical evidence of the crime consists of forgeries. The British were in occupation of Istanbul for four years after the war and examined all of the files of the Ottoman government. They found nothing, and therefore could not try the 100-odd supposed Turkish war criminals that they were holding. Then, documents turned up, allegedly telegrams from the interior ministry to the effect that all Armenians should be wiped out. The signatures turned out to be wrong, there were no back-up copies in the archives and the dating system was misunderstood.

    There are many other arguments against a supposed genocide of the Armenians. Their leader was offered a post in the Turkish Cabinet in 1914, and turned it down. When the deportations were under way, the populations of the big cities were exempted -- Istanbul, Izmir, Aleppo, where there were huge concentrations of Armenians. There were indeed well-documented and horrible massacres of the deportee columns, and the Turks themselves tried more than 1,300 men for these crimes in 1916, convicted many and executed several. None of this squares with genocide, as we classically understand it. Finally, it is just not true that historians as a whole support the genocide thesis. The people who know the background and the language (Ottoman Turkish is terribly difficult) are divided, and