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We have a president who is belligerent towards Iran, who is sending “boots on the ground” to fight ISIS, who loves Israel passionately and who is increasing already bloated defense budgets. If one were a neoconservative, what is there not to like, yet neocons in the media and ensconced comfortably in their multitude of think tanks hate Donald Trump. I suspect it comes down to three reasons. First, it is because Trump knows who was sticking the knife in his back during his campaign in 2016 and he has neither forgiven nor hired them. Nor does he pay any attention to their bleating, denying them the status that they think they deserve because of their self-promoted foreign policy brilliance.

And second, Trump persists in his desire to “do business” with Russia. The predominantly Jewish neocons always imagine the thunder of hooves of approaching Cossacks preparing to engage in pogroms whenever they hear the word Russia. And this is particularly true of Vladimir Putin’s regime, which is Holy Russia revived. When not musing over how it is always 1938 and one is in Munich, neocons are nearly as unsettled when they think it is 1905 in Odessa.

The third reason, linked to number two, is that having a plausible and dangerous enemy like Russia on tap keeps the cash flowing from defense industries to the foundations and think tanks that the neocons nest in when they are not running the Pentagon and National Security Council. Follow the money. So it is all about self-interest combined with tribal memory: money, status and a visceral hatred of Russia.

The hatred of Trump runs so deep that a leading neocon Bill Kristol actually tweeted that he would prefer a country run by bureaucrats and special interests rather than the current constitutional arrangement. The neocon vendetta was as well neatly summed up in two recent articles by Max Boot. The first is entitled “Trump knows the Feds are closing in on him” and the second is “WikiLeaks has joined the Trump Administration.”In the former piece Boot asserts that “Trump’s recent tweets aren’t just conspiratorial gibberish—they’re the erratic ravings of a guilty conscience” and in the latter, that “The anti-American WikiLeaks has become the preferred intelligence service for a conspiracy-addled White House.”

Now, who is Max Boot and why should anyone care what he writes? Russian-born, Max entered the United States with his family through a special visa exemption under the 1975 Jackson-Vanik Amendment even though they were not notably persecuted and only had to prove that they were Jewish. Jackson-Vanik was one of the first public assertions of neoconism, having reportedly been drafted in the office of Senator Henry Jackson by no less than Richard Perle and Ben Wattenberg as a form of affirmative action for Russian Jews. As refugees instead of immigrants, the new arrivals received welfare, health insurance, job placement, English language classes, and the opportunity to apply for U.S. citizenship after only five years. Max went to college at Berkeley and received an M.A. from Yale.

Boot, a foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney in 2012, networked his way up the neocon ladder, including writing for The Weekly Standard, Commentary, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post. He was a member of the neocon incubator Project for a New American Century and now sits on the heavily neocon Council on Foreign Relations. Boot characteristically has never served in the U.S. military but likes war a lot. In 2012 he co-authored “5 Reasons to Intervene in Syria Now.” He is a reliable Russia and Putin basher.

Max Boot’s articles are smears of Donald Trump from top to bottom. The “closing in” piece calls for establishment of a special counsel to investigate every aspect of the Trump Team/Russian relationship. Along the way, it makes its case to come to that conclusion by accepting every single worst case scenario regarding Trump as true. Yes, per Boot “Putin was intervening in the presidential election to help Trump.” And President Barack Obama could not possibly have “interfered with the lawful workings of the FBI.” As is always the case, not one shred of evidence is produced to demonstrate that anyone associated with Donald Trump somehow became a Russian useful idiot, but Boot assumes that the White House is now being run out of the Kremlin.

Max is certainly fun to read but on a more serious note, the National Review is working hard to make us forget about employing the expression “neocon” because it is apparently rarely understood by the people who use the term. Plus its implied meaning is anti-Semitic in nature, something that David Brooks in an article pretty much denying that neocons really exist suggested thirteen years ago when he postulated that it was shorthand for “Jewish conservative.”

National Review actually searched hard to find a gentile who could write the piece, one Kevin D. Williamson, who is described as a “roving correspondent” for the magazine. His article is entitled “Word Games: The Right Discovers the Deep State.” Williamson begins by observing that using “neocon” disparagingly in the post-9/11 context acts either “as a kind of catalyst enabling a political reaction that revived a great many stupid and ugly myths about Jewish bankers orchestrating wars for profit…” or serves as a standby expression for a “Jew with politics I don’t like.”

Interestingly, I have never heard the “Jewish bankers” theory or disparagement of Jewish “politics” from the many responsible critics who have been dismayed by the aberrant U.S. foreign policy that has evolved since 2001. I don’t know how much money Goldman Sachs has made since the World Trade Center went down and that is not really the issue, nor is the fact that Jews overwhelmingly vote Democratic, which is a party that I don’t particularly like. Williamson dodges the increasingly held view that America slid into the abyss when Washington declared war on the entire world and invaded Iraq based on a tissue of lies, in large part to benefit Israel, which is what matters and why the enabling role of the neocons is important.

And one might reasonably argue that U.S. policy since that time has nearly always deferred to Israeli interests, most recently declaring its prime mission at the U.N. to be protecting Israel, then acting on that premise by forcing the resignation of a senior official who had prepared a report critical of Israel’s “apartheid” regime. I recognize that relatively few American Jews are neocons and that many American Jews are in the forefront in resistance to Israel’s inhumane policies, but the reality is that nearly all neocons are Jewish. And they are in your face every time you turn on the television or pick up a newspaper. Abrasive and abusive Professor Alan Dershowitz recently proclaimed that Jews should never apologize for Jewish power, saying that it is deserved and granted by God, but I for one think it is past time for a little pushback from the rest of us to make Washington protect American interests instead of those of Israel.

The neocon cult has been behind the promotion of Israel as well as the serial foreign policy misadventures since 2001. Do the names Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Edelman, Ledeen, Senor, Libby and Nuland in and around the government as well as a host of others in think tanks and lobbies like AIPAC, AEI, WINEP, PNAC, FPI, FDD, JINSA and Hudson ring a bell? And do the loud voices in the media to include Judith Miller, Robert Kaplan, Charles Krauthammer, Jennifer Rubin, Fred Hiatt, Bret Stephens, Bill Kristol, the Kagans and the Podhoretzes, as well as the entire Washington Post and Wall Street Journal editorial pages, suggest any connivance?

They are all Jews and many are connected in terms of their careers, which were heavily networked from the inside to advance them up the ladder, often to include moving between government and lucrative think tank and academic positions. They mostly self-identify as neoconservatives and all share some significant traits, notably extreme dedication to Israel and embrace of the doctrine that the U.S. should not be shy about using military force, so it is interesting to learn from Williamson that they really do not constitute a cohesive group with shared values and interests as well as excellent access to the media and the levers of power. When did you last see an “expert” on the Middle East on television who was not Jewish?

Having made his pithy comments and dismissed neoconservatism-phobes as bigots, Williamson then wanders off subject into the Deep State, which, like neoconism apparently is some kind of urban legend being propagated by the poorly informed, whom these days he identifies as Trump supporters. He argues that the entities that are frequently cited as the Deep State, including the neocons, actually have quite divergent interests and it is unlikely that those interests should become “identical or aligned” to enable running of the country in an essentially clandestine fashion.

It is perhaps inevitable that Williamson is confused as he does not recognize how the American Deep State differs from that in most other countries – it is perhaps better described as the Establishment. Unlike in places like Turkey, it operates largely out in the open and ostensibly legally along a New York-Washington axis that constantly revitalizes itself through the revolving door allowing the entry of politicians and high government officials who create and enforce the legislation that benefits Deep State interests. Its components do indeed have different motives, but they come together in preserving the status quo, which benefits all parties, while little dissent comes from the Fourth Estate as the process plays out, since much of the media and many of the proliferating Washington think tanks that provide Deep State “intellectual” credibility are also part of the same malignancy. And yes, quite a bit of today’s Establishment is Jewish, most particularly financial and legal services, the think tanks, and academia. Many of them support or are part of the neocon persuasion and frequently also of the Israel Lobby.

The existence of a Deep State means that many issues that impact on the citizenry never are discussed as part of the political process, leading to jokes that the United States has only one political party with two wings. Issues like the relationship with Israel, though hotly debated by some of the public, are never really considered and are dealt with by consensus crafted by the politicians and the media. Significant policies like those relating to war and peace, healthcare and immigration were rarely seriously challenged prior to Trump because there is a broad agreement regarding what the Establishment will allow to take place. That is how the Deep State operates.

When it comes to foreign and national security policy the neocons are most definitely an integral part of the Deep State, using money and access to politicians to influence what is taking place without anyone seriously challenging their role. They are an essential cog in a system that is completely corrupt: it exists to sell out the public interest, and includes both major political parties as well as government officials. And it is so successful because it wins no matter who is in power, by creating bipartisan-supported money pits within the system. Monetizing the completely unnecessary and hideously expensive global war on terror benefits the senior government officials, beltway industries, and financial services that feed off it. Because it is essential to keep the money flowing, the Deep State persists in promoting policies that enrich its constituencies but otherwise make no sense, to include funding the unending and unwinnable wars currently enjoying marquee status in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan and the gift of $38 billion to Israel.

Max Boot spews the kind of bile that is commonly seen or heard when the neocons zero in on their enemies. The National Review meanwhile provides cover for Max and others by suggesting that only anti-Semites or the demented could possibly have it in for neoconservatives or be wary of zany concepts like a Deep State. Together they generate the fog that makes it impossible to challenge certain aspects of the status quo. Maybe, just maybe, what Donald Trump has been saying about his predecessor’s Deep State inspired machinations are true. And just possibly there is a largely Jewish cabal within that Deep State, call it what you will, that works very hard behind the scenes to favor Israel while also pushing for a state of perpetual war, from which it benefits personally. I know that thinking that we Americans are on the receiving end of a vast and very effective conspiracy makes many uneasy, but history has taught us that sometimes our worst nightmares are actually true.

 
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  1. JOK says:

    Excellent article. Unfortunately, the Trump of the campaign trail who promised better relations with Russia and fewer foreign entanglements seems to have left the building. He’s been replaced by a neocons dream. Very bad for the country and very disappointing, especially for someone like myself who supported him in the belief he was the peace candidate. I only wonder whether Trump was playing us all along or that he just couldn’t withstand the Jewish, and other establishment, pressure and so caved to their war mongering. Too bad for us, and the world, either way.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @quercusalba
    , @Hunsdon
    , @Ram
  2. wayfarer says:

    “9/11 families sue Saudi Arabia, accuse the U.S. ally of complicity in the terrorist attacks”

    http://pix11.com/2017/03/20/911-families-sue-saudi-arabia-accuse-the-u-s-ally-of-complicity-in-the-terrorist-attacks/

    Saudi Arabia being played as the rich-kid chump, is simply a red herring. All real roads of 9-11 deception lead to the self-serving trust fund nation.

    9-11, who’s actually benefited the most from this cold-blooded act of international terrorism?

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @annamaria
  3. Miro23 says:

    A fine article that couldn’t be clearer. The 2016 election shows that that the United States is not united at all.

    On the one side is Constitutional Anglo-America that voted for Trump and “America First”, representing an America working under Anglo derived law and customs, and which was more or less the successful Unites States seen until the 1950′s – but which is now challenged by globalization.

    On the other side is Anti-Constitutional Jewish America that voted against Trump and against “America First”, supporting a multicultural, open borders, outsourced, Counter Cultural and Deep State America aimed at consolidating Jewish power, which represents the current United States – and which embraces globalization for outsized profits and “Israel First”.

    An interesting point is that Jews are only 2% of the US population, so they have a much tougher problem keeping their Counter Cultural and minority allies on board, especially with the 2016 election failure having highlighted previously hidden issues.

    The push back surely accounts for the paranoia and hysteria, and makes it more necessary than ever to destroy US Democracy, and institute some kind of National Emergency Regime. The only real question is whether the next fabricated confrontation is going to involve Russia or China, with Russia looking like the favoured candidate at the moment.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Aren Haich
  4. Mark Green says: • Website

    Excellent overview, Phillip. Yes, the deep state is real. Tragically so. And like the vast, interconnected and formidable Jewish lobby, it has enough power and access to the national megaphone to 1) deny its own existence, 2) summon co-conspirators in the media to do the same, and 3) take swift action against any public figure foolhardy enough to speak truth to this power or affirm its existence.

    After all, everybody knows that there’s no such thing as a ‘Jewish conspiracy’, right? That’s Nazi talk!

    So don’t think bad thoughts or say the wrong thing, children. That’s hate.

    To paraphrase Gilad Atzmon: Jewish power is the power to keep the discussion of Jewish power off limits. Doing otherwise is ‘anti-Semitic’! And you’re not ‘anti-Semitic’, are you?

    So look down or away, children. And don’t talk back! Always remember: never say prejudicial things about you-know-who. That’s bad.

    Now go out and have a wonderful day.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @ya
  5. Excellent article.
    How clever have they been to link discussion of “neo con’s” to “antisemitism” ! Antisemite ?
    Toxic ! May as well call someone a pedophile !
    When nations begin to fray at the seams, when cultural unity seems no more than a media hoax, when the Law has become a mere tool for social repressions & a numerically small gang of people seem to hold all the levers of power, some patriots may question whether “REFORM” is possible, even comprehensible….
    If the US Constitution is the very ESSENCE of the nation — & that constitution seems to have been perverted by many of those who have publicly sworn to uphold it — where to go next ?

    • Replies: @Alden
  6. The single common ideology of all Jewish people, including neocon and atheist and orthodox Jewish, is a fervent belief in their own victimhood and entitlement.

    The common enemy and oppressor of all Jewish people is the Nazi or the so-called white supremacist.

    Criticism of the nation of Israel is the same as criticism of the nation comprised of all victims of white supremacy, according to Jewish diversity theory.

    Diversity in Israel: Lessons for the United States

    As the United States copes with large immigration flows and increasing diversity in these highly uncertain times, it may want to look to an unusual model country—Israel—for some fresh ideas about taking full advantage of diversity.

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/diversity-in-israel-lessons-for-the-united-states/

    • Replies: @Ace
  7. Wally says: • Website
    @Miro23

    “An interesting point is that Jews are only 2% of the US population …”

    Nonsense, they are much more than that. Though they want you to think they are a mere 2%
    Who benefits?

    That number comes from census questions on religion. Most Jews are not religious, do not mark the ‘Jewish’ box, but certainly think of themselves as ‘Jews’.

    And there are also religious Jews who refuse to be counted.

    To actually count Jews directly is forbidden (Talmud, Yoma 22b), as the prophet says: “And the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which shall neither be measured nor counted.

  8. If you don’t have a coherent nation, you can’t have a foreign policy based on national interests. As a result, your foreign policy can be hijacked by groups with their own agenda. That’s what we’re seeing in the case of the neocons.

    • Agree: Ace
  9. LondonBob says:

    The hate for Trump is because he is not obligated to support Israel, his policy stances violate almost all their red lines and because he showed that all their controls ultimately failed. Unfortunately patriotic billionaires with a gift for self publicity are short in supply. No matter how superficially strong their position seems, it is built on sand.

    It is too early to judge Trump. You guys have such problems, if he doesn’t demographic or debt issues will overwhelm you anyway. That noted nutter Louise Mensch has been set up by Rupert Murdoch with a new media outlet in the US shows they will fight him all the way.

  10. mp says:

    Jews have spent the last 50 years working up the idea that if you criticize their behavior you are anti-Semitic, and that this is a form of irrational mental illness. Now, they have a guy in the White House whose rhetoric is pro-Israel, but because he’s not over the top pro, he’s anti-Semitic, the next Hitler (TM), and suffering from mental illness. You just can win with some people. PS: I really think the erratic ravings of a guilty conscience is Max projecting a bit too much.

  11. Scar says:

    A deep side of Jewish power that is rarely mentioned is described in:

    Mountebank’s Monster and His Mom: a peculiar resurrection

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BP52LPU?ref_=pe_2427780_160035660

    I hope Philip Giraldi will read this.

  12. The Jew fifth column are war profiteers growing fat on human suffering. The Neocons are truly the scum of the earth. They put the Zio in the Anglo/Zio Empire which fortunately is in steep decline. That they are Trump’s enemies is sufficient to make me a Trump supporter. In the course of the recent election the corporate media, including Hollywood, in their zeal to defeat Trump, openly declared their hatred and contempt for Straight White American Males. Now identity politics is backfiring on the establishment. Trump and his deplorables are the domestic resistance to Imperial Washington and it’s Police State. Trump will be remembered as the first leader of the American resistance.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  13. ya says:

    Wow, Giraldi hit it out of the park. This is exactly the conversation all Americans need to engage in. When Trump was saying “America First” the neocons had a shitfit. Trump meant not nationalism over globalism. He meant America’s interest before Israel.

    I can’t wait until these Neocons are indicted for treason.

  14. ya says:
    @Mark Green

    Neocons are anti-American.

  15. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    So you’re a yeshiva bucher now?

  16. ya says:
    @Wally

    Considering that Israel is a piss-ant little country, Jews are a tiny minority on the planet. In the U.S. they are a very small minority with trillions of dollars. It’s their money that makes them powerful, not their ideas. Not many Americans understand the truth about Neocons. They lie. That’s it. It makes me wonder why the Portuguese expelled all Jews in 1538 from the colonies in what is now called Brazil. What did they know about Jews that americans don’t know about them today?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Together they generate the fog that makes it impossible to challenge certain aspects of the status quo. Maybe, just maybe, what Donald Trump has been saying about his predecessor’s Deep State inspired machinations are true. And just possibly there is a largely Jewish cabal within that Deep State, call it what you will, that works very hard behind the scenes to favor Israel while also pushing for a state of perpetual war, from which it benefits personally. I know that thinking that we Americans are on the receiving end of a vast and very effective conspiracy makes many uneasy, but history has taught us that sometimes our worst nightmares are actually true.

    1) They do what power does. Not only power remains power by doing what it does, but also, the people who hold it would never have been accorded respect deference and obedience if they didn’t have the kind of behavior they have.

    Same goes for conspiracies. Real government has never been public business; formal government is. The ordinary person today knows about real government as much as it did 1, 2, 3 centuries ago. A sweet illusion of being informed, a most useful illusion for actual government, is the only news.

    If it is the law of the jungle you are against, Giraldi, then we are together in this, and I am waiting to see pieces by you on what the North did to the South in the Civil War, how the USA began predatory wars against the Spanish Empire, Germany two times (when the only purpose of the American Anglos was to take control of Europe, certainly not to save the Jews, as was made received knowledge later), Japan. How all these power, starting from the South, were endlessly provoked to force a confrontation, which was known it would be won.

    Don’t tell me that the same dynamics that have moved American history start looking ugly to you only when it’s mostly Jewish people, and not Anglos, who are in the driver’s seat.
    Power is taken by who is best at taking it, I don’t like it if someone complains only when it’s not them.

  18. Come on, Phil. Trump doesn’t love Israel or the Jewish Neo-Cons. he is merely covering his flank as long as he needs to. You do not make a billion in Manhattan real estate without learning the true nature of these folks.

  19. iffen says:

    OMG, dem Jews have seized control of the MIC!

    • Replies: @Anon
  20. Now, who is Max Boot

    Lil Max Boot was the guy who back in Nov 2001 complained that the problem with the Glorious Afghan Campaign was that the US was not losing enough troops to make it known that we were super serious. https://youtu.be/w0rLfkvl8BI

    “The longer term danger is that the war in Afghanistan will do nothing to dispel the widespread impression that Americans are fat, indolent, and unwilling to fight the barbarians on their own terms. We got into this mess in the first place because of the widespread impression—born in Beirut in 1983, seemingly confirmed in Mogadishu in 1993—that Americans are incapable of suffering casualties stoically. This ‘bodybag syndrome’ is our greatest strategic weakness” (“Winning Still Requires Getting Bloody,” Wall Street Journal,November 14, 2001).

    Of course he did not mean that those body bags should be filled with Russian Jew immigrants.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  21. @JOK

    “He’s been replaced by a neocons dream.” I’m not so sure of that. there are reports Tillerson is going to skip the NATO meeting at the end of April and visit Russia instead. Interesting, hmmmm? Given the histrionics of the Jewish neocons (yes, and let’s be unafraid of calling out their ethnicity) I suspect they suspect Trump will not change tack and is merely giving ‘lip service’ to what they want to hear. Time will tell.

    • Replies: @JGarbo
  22. annamaria says:
    @wayfarer

    “Who’s actually benefited the most from this cold-blooded act of international terrorism?”

    Here we are:
    “‘Americans Are On Our Side’: Al-Nusra Commander Says US Arming Jihadists Via Third Countries:” http://www.globalresearch.ca/americans-are-on-our-side-al-nusra-commander-says-us-arming-jihadists-via-3rd-countries/5580725
    “Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria, Says ISIS Faces Difficulty, Loss Would Put Israel in ‘Hard Position’:” http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/
    The cost to the US economy of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan only is estimated at $ 6 trillion. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160203-the-real-cost-of-middle-east-wars/ “One week before the start of the Iraq War, the then US Vice President Dick Cheney said that it would last only 2 years and would cost around $100 billion. However, the conflicts have never ended, and the cost has been at least 40-50 times higher…. The “War on Terror” programme has cost some 3 million lives… It is impossible to put a financial valuation on the right to life of innocent men, women, children and the elderly. …The greatest cost of these wars is the way that all sides lose their humanity.”
    It is time for the collective of humanity to turn its attention to the authors of P.N.A.C. and towards the profiteering “deciders” and “implementers” of this anti-human Project which has been devouring the US and Europe and Middle East.

  23. annamaria says:

    “The neocon cult has been behind the promotion of Israel as well as the serial foreign policy misadventures since 2001. Do the names Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Edelman, Ledeen, Senor, Libby and Nuland in and around the government as well as a host of others in think tanks and lobbies like AIPAC, AEI, WINEP, PNAC, FPI, FDD, JINSA and Hudson ring a bell? And do the loud voices in the media to include Judith Miller, Robert Kaplan, Charles Krauthammer, Jennifer Rubin, Fred Hiatt, Bret Stephens, Bill Kristol, the Kagans and the Podhoretzes, as well as the entire Washington Post and Wall Street Journal editorial pages, suggest any connivance?”
    Please add to this list of the indisputable war criminals another list of non-Jewish criminal “deciders” in the US and EU, including Cheney, Bush, Rice, Clintons, Blair, Sarkozy, Hollande, and such. They are the modern-day cannibals living off the blood and flesh of the innocent people worldwide. Theirs “contribution” to humanity is enormously negative – the global destruction and devaluing and rejection of the best achievements of human civilization.

  24. Hunsdon says:
    @JOK

    Which, I suppose, explains why the neocons are now singing his praises, right?

    • Replies: @Bill
  25. ….the neocons are most definitely an integral part of the Deep State, using money and access to politicians to influence what is taking place without anyone seriously challenging their role. They are an essential cog in a system that is completely corrupt: it exists to sell out the public interest, and includes both major political parties as well as government officials.

    That, in essence and in fact is a major criticism of government, and the problem can be dangerously magnified whenever consolidation occurs.

    “…and when it was finally discovered that more profit was to be gained by enslaving the weak and systematically exploiting their productive capacities, instead of spoiling and destroying, this discovery opened a new and fruitful era of progress, for it involved the formation of political States.”

    Gustave de Molinari, The Society of Tomorrow [1899]
    Part II: Chapter XV Summary and Conclusion – Gustave de Molinari, The Society of Tomorrow [1899]
    Edition used: The Society of Tomorrow: A Forecast of its Political and Economic Organization, ed. Hodgson Pratt and Frederic Passy, trans. P.H. Lee Warner (New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1904).
    oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=228&chapter=36940&layout=html&Itemid=27#a_1585595

    The greatest talents, the highest virtues, the most important services are thrown aside as useless, unless they are supported by riches or parties, and the object of both parties is chiefly wealth. . .

    John Adams as quoted in “A Glance at the Fathers,” by Harry Elmer Barnes,
    In The American Mercury, January 1926, pp. 23-30

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1926jan-00023

  26. Bill says:
    @Wally

    There are no Census questions on religion.

    • Replies: @Wally
  27. And for those who think that consolidation under the constitution in any way ameliorated or attenuated the dangers of political unification, here’s another view.

    The Constitution looked fairly good on paper, but it was not a popular document; people were suspicious of it, and suspicious of the enabling legislation that was being erected upon it. There was some ground for this. The Constitution had been laid down under unacceptable auspices; its history had been that of a coup d’état.

    It had been drafted, in the first place, by men representing special economic interests. Four-fifths of them were public creditors, one-third were land speculators, and one-fifth represented interests in shipping, manufacturing, and merchandising. Most of them were lawyers. Not one of them represented the interest of production — Vilescit origine tali. (the dice were loaded from the start)

    Albert Jay Nock, Liberty vs. the Constitution: The Early Struggle
    [Excerpted from chapter 5 of Albert Jay Nock's Jefferson]

    https://mises.org/library/liberty-vs-constitution-early-struggle

    mises.org/daily/4254

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
    , @Ace
  28. Sherman says:

    Hey, it’s pretty cool that Jews have all this money and power.

    All Giraldi can do about it is cry on a fringe website.

  29. Sad but true there are some jooz who make a living being evil.

  30. Art says:

    It appears that Trump is staying true to his campaign words – he still wants to work with Russia and he is still wants a Palestinian peace accord. Both 100% opposed by Netanyahu. There is no way that Trump can stomach Netanyahu for very long. What is going to happen?

    The “Trump card” is his daughter Jewish Ivanka Kushner. Is she America first or is she Israel first. She has more influence over him than anyone else. (She is getting a White House office – she will be the most powerful woman in the world.)

    If a proverbial John the Baptist should come along, would she be a Salome and ask for his head?

    Peace — Art

  31. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    “The Jews don’t believe in God, they are observant of God. They believe in themselves- the Jews believe in ‘The Jew’ and vice versa. Within this peculiar troubled family affair, the Jew is free to dump God, as an author can freely re-write or at least re-shape his or her own narrative.  But the Jew can never dump the Jews as much as the Jews can’t allow ‘The Jew’ to go free. And what about God, can he be emancipated, can he choose another people? Certainly not. Unlike the Jew who is free to dump God while clinging to a Jewish identity, the Jewish God is merely a Jewish protagonist, he can’t go anywhere, he is stuck with ‘his’ chosen people forever.   
    Choseness, so it seems, is hardly a heavenly gift, it is in fact a curse. It confines the Jew in a realm of self-imposed commandment and materiality. Instead of beauty, holiness and the pursuit of the divine and the sublime, the rabbinical Jew is left with an earthly obedience scheme that is sustained by a rigid tribal setting. ‘The Jew’ and ‘The Jews’ are bound in a set of mutual affirmations in which God serves an instrumental role.
    Some may rightly argue that this spectacular bond between the Jews and ‘The Jew’ is essential for an understanding of the dichotomy between Judaic tribalism and the universal appeal of Islamo-Christian beliefs.
    The Judaic crude intolerance towards dissent serves as an example of the above. Throughout their history, Jews have proven themselves hostile toward their nonconformists; now we are ready to grasp why.  For the Islamo-Christian, secularization, for instance, entails a rejection of a transcendental affair. But for the rabbinical Judaic subject, failure to conform constitutes a rejection of the Jews. It interferes crudely with the fragile relationship between ‘The Jew’ and the Jews. It shatters the self-affirmation mechanism. While in the case of Christianity and Islam dumping God suggests turning one’s back on a remote supernatural entity, in the case of Judaism, such an act is interpreted as a disbelief in the tribe.
    This interpretation may help illuminate Jesus’ plight. It may explain the reasoning behind the brutal Rabbinical Herem (excommunication) against Spinoza and Uriel Da Costa. And it also explains why the secular and the so-called ‘progressive’ Jew is equally obnoxious towards dissent or any form of criticism from within. If Judaism is not a belief system but rather a system of obedience regulation, then Jewish identity politics is merely an extension of the above regulatory philosophy.
    Jews often drop their God, simply to invent a different God who ‘facilitates’   subscription to a new regulatory system. The new system, like the old outlines a new set of strict commandments, a manner of speech and rigorous boundaries of ‘kosher’ conduct.
    In the beginning of the 20th century, for instance, Bolshevism appealed to many Eastern European Jews. It provided a sense of self-righteousness in addition to regulating a strict form of obedience. As we know, it didn’t take long for Bolshevism to mature into a genocidal doctrine that made Old Testament barbarism look like a juvenile fairytale. The Holocaust, that seems to be the most popular Jewish religion at present, may be the ultimate and final stage in Jewish historical development. According to the Holocaust religion, ‘God died in Auschwitz.’  Within the context of the Holocaust religion, ‘The Jew’ is the new Jewish God. The Holocaust religion has finally united ‘The Jew’ and the Jews into a self-sufficient comprehensive and independent ‘God-less’ religious narrative. Both were about to be eradicated. But, not only were they both saved: they have prevailed and each did so independently. In the Holocaust religion, Jews are both victims and oppressors – they have transformed slavery into empowerment and they did it all alone, in spite of being dumped by their treacherous God.   The Holocaust religion, like Judaism, prescribes a manner of speech and a strict set of commandments. Most crucially, like more traditional Judaism, it is totally and disgracefully intolerant toward dissent.
    Due to the lack of a divine transcendental entity, Jewish religions have always regarded criticism as rejection of the tribe. Jewish religions, whether Judaism, Bolshevism or Holocaust, are equally intolerant towards criticism and dissent. Jewish religions treat opposition as a vile attempt at ‘delegitimization’ on the verge of genocidal inclination.
    Jewish religions can be defined as different templates that facilitate a sense of choseness. They affirm a bond between an imaginary marginal ‘collective’ and a phantasmal ‘archetype’: the Bolshevists and ‘The Bolshevik’, the Survivours and ‘The Survivour’, the Jews and ‘The Jew,’ and so on.  The bond between the collective and the idea of an archetypical singularity is always maintained by a set of rigid commandments, a correct manner of speech, some strict regulatory guidelines for behavior and vile opposition to dissent.
    Tragically enough, intolerance of dissent has become a universal Western political symptom. Incidentally, Christianity, Islam, religion and divinity in general are also under attack within the context of contemporary Western discourse. Is this a symptom of the Jerusalemification of our Western universe? Is the emergence of the tyranny of political correctness a coincidence? And if we are becoming Jews, is there any room for the hope that our universe may, at some stage, embrace a universal ethos once again? Can we once again believe in something?   Or do we have to wait for a new Jesus figure to resurrect our trust in the human spirit and humanity in general?  Or have we been re-designed to self-destruct as soon as we come close to such a lucid awareness? “

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2015/12/31/jewish-religions-and-the-prospect-of-dissent

    • Replies: @Wally
  32. anarchyst says:

    A major problem is the legitimization of “dual citizenship”. It is a loosely-guarded “secret” that approximately 40 or so congresscritters and senators hold “dual citizenship” with a certain little country in the middle east. In addition, there are thousands of “policy wonks” in the State Department, and in other departments that also hold this same “dual citizenship”.
    What better way for a small foreign cabal, with no allegiance to the United States, to take over our country’s “foreign policy” than to “infest the host”? Despite billions of dollars given to this “certain little country” in the middle east, it is never enough. American military will fight and die for the interests of this “certain little country”…
    Paul Findley paid the (political) price for exposing this treasonous foreign cabal…
    His book, “None Dare Call It Treason” says it all.
    Dual citizenship must be prohibited. Those who hold foreign citizenship must be deported ASAP.

  33. iffen says:

    Interestingly, I have never heard the “Jewish bankers” theory or disparagement of Jewish “politics” from the many responsible critics …

    That’s really odd.

    Everyone here knows about it and comments on it all the time.

    Oh, wait, I see: responsible critics.

  34. Wally says:
    @Sherman

    So ‘fringe’ that you are here everyday. LOL

  35. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    America first?????
    “The White House on Tuesday named Sigal Mandelker, a former Israeli, as Undersecretary of the Treasury for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence. The position places her in charge of US sanctions against countries and terrorist organizations. Mandelker, a lawyer by training, previously held a number of posts in the Justice Department and the Homeland Security Department in which she handled cyber security, terrorism and national security matters, among others.”
     

    http://www.debka.com/newsupdatepopup/20112/Former-Israeli-named-as-sanctions-czar-for-Trump-administration

    • Replies: @Chet Roman
  36. Wally says: • Website

    Is mentioning that Israeli immigration laws allow JEWS ONLY, while Jews demand massive 3rd world immigration into Europe & the US considered a ‘hate crime’ ?

    How about Israel’s huge WALL?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  37. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon-og

    ‘holocaust’, schmolocaust.

    The mere fact that we have so many “survivors” when it’s claimed that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on’ blows away the scam.
    The massive numbers of so called “survivor$” are living testimony to the fraudulence of the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ’6,000,000 Jews’ lie and the laughing Mexican:

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  38. @Chris Mallory

    Speaking of Max Boot, after the 2015 South Carolina church shooting, Boot wrote that American White Southerners were worse than Germans.

    For a neocon, that’s saying a lot.

  39. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Hey dummy,

    See this phrase — “The principal source of these data is the U.S. Census Bureau” — “principal source” means “not the only source.”

    In fact, the US Census Bureau does not collect information about religion. See this link for information about when they last did so:

    http://www.pewforum.org/2010/01/26/a-brief-history-of-religion-and-the-u-s-census/

    For good measure, here’s the census form mailed out in 2010:

    https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/2010questionnaire.pdf

  40. nsa says:

    The term neocon is just a euphemism for jooie traitor….so call it what it is. Human termites….burrowing deep into every government and media institution, eating it from the inside out. The latest nonsense over a new Korean war is silly…..won’t happen as there is nothing in it for the IzzyFirsters.

  41. Agent76 says:

    The New American Century. Part 1/10

    This film goes in detail through the untold history of The Project for the New American Century with tons of archival footage and connects it right into the present. This film exposes how every major war in US history was based on a complete fraud with video of insiders themselves admitting it.

  42. anarchyst says:
    @Wally

    According to the International Red Cross, that was present in every internment camp, the total number of civilian deaths in “the European theater of operations” was approximately 731,000, NOT “6,000,000.
    The records were not released until the late 90s and after the dissolution of the old Soviet Union.
    This one factor made it possible to keep the “holohoax” oops, I mean “holocaust ™” lie alive…

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @Anonymous
  43. hbm says:

    Jews have a highly-refined ability to sniff-out goys who understand what they really are, and thereby pose or have the potential to pose a threat to their oblique stewardship.

    Whenever the media goes on a hysterial smear and slander campaign, the Jews who run it virtually top to bottom and whose names seem to appear in every byline, are imitating the Torah, in which enemies of the Jews are always presented as hyperbolic, genocidal, world-destroying cartoon monsters.

    Their interest is Jewish interest, but they frame their displeasure in terms of an ethic that we understand– as an affront to decency and “Democracy” and other universals Jews only pretend to deal in.

    It’s propaganda. All Jewish discourse is propaganda.

    It is a nightmare. However I’m pretty sure that the twinkle in Bill Kristol’s or Max Boot’s or Paul Krugman’s eye indicates that, to them, the play they are producing with us is light comedy.

    Diagnosing one’s enemy and proclaiming them mad is one of the Jews’ favorite tricks, but I’m compelled to call these inbred creatures a bunch of sociopaths.

    • Replies: @Chu
  44. In a fantasy world where the concept of justice was paramount and incorruptible, the picture preceding this article could be a perfect one accompanying a news-flash that there will be an international trial conducted against said individuals on the principles of The Nuremberg Trials.

    The differences would be that these defendants would probably be able to defend themselves and introduce evidence and probably not be tortured to make incriminating statements in a foreign language. The food would also be better.

    These fellows, using the example of Streicher need not even be part of the highest echelon of decision makers.

    The facts compiled in these more modern indictments and their application to the Nuremberg precedents would put these chaps in more than a spot of bother.

    As I mentioned in this fantasy that if the law would be paramount and incorruptible and if the original precedents were not overturned then I see it as a slam dunk with many swinging carcasses.

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  45. @ya

    Probably something along the lines of what English King Edward I knew, or Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain.

  46. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    Iffen…. I suggest you stay out of this discussion. You will ignite a long over due nasty, truthful
    verbal pogrom. Haven’t you notice the pent up animosity against the Jews? The Jews like you think this is a joke. They never learn, and you will never learn until it is too late. All we need is a national calamity and Americans will look around to accurately fix blame on who is responsible for their plight. Iffen .. you and Sam the Sham, I am sure, will allege the Jews are being scapegoated again.

    ” it is a trick, the Jews always use it”. It won’t work the next time.

  47. Sam Shama says:
    @Anonymous

    Brilliantly stated.

    • Replies: @iffen
  48. Sherman says:
    @anarchyst

    You keep posting that 731K figure all over the internet in racist and neo-Nazi websites.

    Do you have any backup for this claim besides other hate websites and your own deranged imagination?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  49. annamaria says:
    @Sherman

    A nice black eye for the ziocons: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2017-03-10/russia-trump-and-new-d-tente

    By the way, it is not honest to treat decent people and scoundrels alike. There are the same differences between Goebbels and Schweitzer as between Bibi and Mearsheimer. Check on Michel Szkolnikoff and on Ledeen’ involvement in Gladio to bring yourself to senses. Hanna Arendt was not a bloody war monger and obnoxious “chosen” – she was the pride of human race, similar to other outstanding Jews (a long list). What gives you a right to conflate the best humans with the warmongering scoundrels pictured above?

  50. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Sherman

    This smug attitude is why Jews have been kicked out of virtually every country in Europe over the millennia.

    For such supposedly intelligent people they are slow learners. They keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

    History will repeat itself.

    • Agree: Cyrano
    • Replies: @Sherman
  51. Sherman says:
    @Mark Presco

    Yes, Jews are intelligent. That’s why we’re all so rich and powerful. Thanks for the kind words.

    I was in a few European countries last month for work.

    I can assure you the Europeans have much bigger problems and concerns these days than hating Jews.

    In fact, I encountered a tremendous amount of respect for Israel on my trip (I work for a European company and we have big and very profitable operations in Israel).

  52. Of course he’s telling the truth, of course with regards to Unz review he’s preaching to the choir. If articles like this were easily accessible to the vast majority of sheeple they would have a powerful effect. But, alas that, at least for now is not the case.

    To me it goes back to the old saying; ignorance is bliss, which I think is part of human nature. Most Americans as long as their bellies full are content to remain blissfully ignorant of what’s happened to their country. This blissful ignorance will continue until something cataclysmic happens that directly effect their lives. For instance a major war that causes devastation to the continental US.
    Until something happens to them that makes their very own survival dependent on learning the truth and doing something about it the neocons and a complicit mainstream media will continue to call the shots.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  53. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t tell me that the same dynamics that have moved American history start looking ugly to you only when it’s mostly Jewish people, and not Anglos, who are in the driver’s seat.

    Unfortunately, it is not the same dynamic that is moving America today as it did in the past. While it’s true that America has always riven by various factions that are vying for power to promote their own particular interests, it was never beholden to a foreign power when it came to the formulation of its foreign policy. What we’re witnessing today is unprecedented.

    As Mearsheimer and Walt clearly demonstrated, a small foreign power, through the influence of its incredibly powerful domestic lobby, has been able to divert a superpower away from its national interests by launching the phony GWOT in order to regime change those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist entity, thereby enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle at the expense of the security of the American people. And the price tag for this misadventure? $6 trillion (and still counting) paid by the American taxpayer, over 4,500 US soldiers lives, and over a million Muslims (and still counting).

    See the difference?

  54. anarchyst says:
    @Sherman

    …look it up yourself…I’m not going to do your research for you…

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Sherman
  55. Cyrano says:

    After having no country to call their own for almost 2000 years, it seems that the Jews lost the ability to attach emotionally to any country in a way that would qualify as patriotic. They live in many countries but they usually believe that they are better than the place where they live. This explains their refusal to integrate and assimilate. It’s just beneath them. In the process of trying to bring the country where they live up to their standards they usually come close to wrecking it up – like in post 1917 Russia. The same thing is happening now in US. Their ideas which are supposed to be enlightened are actually destructive.

    • Replies: @Alden
  56. @geokat62

    Thank you George – you have described the “difference” between then and now perfectly!

  57. anarchyst says:
    @Timur The Lame

    The Nuremberg trials were “kangaroo courts” in which torture was used to “extract” confessions.
    Two of the judges on the court have said as such…
    Reading through the court documents, it can be discerned that much of the “testimony” was coerced.
    In fact, one of the principal defendants testified that the bodies that were “gassed”, appeared purple, yellow, green as opposed to the true state (should have been bright red). The same description was given by supposed “holocaust ™” “$urvivor$”.
    It is easy to see the many falsehoods that surround the “holocaust ™” fantasy and the kangaroo courts that the Nuremberg “show trials” were.
    Remember–the “victors” write the (false propagandist) history…

    • Replies: @Anon
  58. RobinG says:

    The Kagans Are Back; Wars to Follow

    “The Kagan family, America’s neoconservative aristocracy, has reemerged having recovered from the letdown over not gaining its expected influence from the election of Hillary Clinton and from its loss of official power at the start of the Trump presidency.

    “Back pontificating on prominent op-ed pages, the Family Kagan now is pushing for an expanded U.S. military invasion of Syria and baiting Republicans for not joining more enthusiastically in the anti-Russian witch hunt over Moscow’s alleged help in electing Donald Trump.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/

  59. @Sherman

    “I work for a European company and we have a big and very profitable operations in Israel.”

    (gasp) Hey Sherman,

    I trust your company’s “big & profitable” business (in Israel) is not either a resuscitation of the illegal organ transplant racket or Bernie Madoff’s scam?

    Please tell me such is not the case! Alas, I wish for you to continue as “rich and powerful” and not end up in the clink.

    • Replies: @Sherman
  60. Sherman says:
    @anarchyst

    I already did look it up. I found your obsessive online rants as the only backup.

    In other words, you’re crazy and lonely and delusional.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  61. iffen says:
    @Anonymous

    I am waiting to see pieces by you on what the North did to the South in the Civil War, how the USA began predatory wars against the Spanish Empire, Germany two times (when the only purpose of the American Anglos was to take control of Europe

    But those warmongers were real Muricans, not dual loyalists using the US as a proxy. :)

    Power is taken by who is best at taking it, I don’t like it if someone complains only when it’s not them.

    I don’t think you really want to frame it in terms of us vs. them.

  62. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Which of the Nuremberg judges said the trials were “kangaroo courts.” Give actual names, and don’t tell me to “do my own research.” You made the claim — you back it up.

  63. Sherman says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    That’s right!

    Bernie’s been managing this from his cell in Butner.

    And yes, selling organs is very profitable!

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  64. @Miro23

    The recently deceased former Iranisn president, Akbar Rafsanjani, once said that 6 million Jews carry the weight of over 100 million Americans when it comes to making political decisions for the country.
    He also likened America to a dinosaur having the brain of a sparrow.

    • Replies: @dcite
    , @Orville H. Larson
  65. annamaria says:
    @geokat62

    “…a small foreign power, through the influence of its incredibly powerful domestic lobby, has been able to divert a superpower away from its national interests by launching the phony GWOT in order to regime change those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist entity, thereby enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle at the expense of the security of the American people. And the price tag for this misadventure? $6 trillion (and still counting) paid by the American taxpayer, over 4,500 US soldiers lives, and over a million Muslims (and still counting).”
    The latest numbers are 3 million of slaughtered human beings of all ages in the Middle East, courtesy “the influence of its [Israel] incredibly powerful domestic lobby.”
    The likes of Sherman on this site, who glorify Jewish power (that is supposedly is due to the Jewish intellectual gifts only) and who quite content with the ongoing slaughter in the name of Eretz Israel and world domination, do not want to recognize the factor of accumulation. At some point, the flourish of special victimhood and other confabulations of “the only democracy” in the Middle East will be impossible to sustain and the ugly nakedness of the anti-human ethnocentric voracity will become obvious for the majority of people, not just for the thinking and educated individuals of whatever ethnicity.

  66. Ram says:
    @JOK

    The author has diagnosed the cancer within the US, but will the Real Americans have the will or the power to extirpate it ? I am NOT hopeful.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  67. Alden says:

    There are numerous reasons why I am not a conservative but a White Nationalist. John Bolton is one of the many reasons I have never watched Fox news and discussions for more than a few minutes. Like free republic and other conservative sites, Fox is obviously a creation of AIPAC and the government of Israel.

  68. utu says:

    The takeover of the deep state and the overt state by neocons is complete. There is no alternative. 95% of Americans would not be able to offer any coherent alternative to the neocon philosophy even if they were made aware what neocons stands (overtly and covertly) for and what is their provenance. In 21 century Neoconism is Americanism. I do not accept it but I can’t avoid and change it. Hate it and live with it.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  69. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Sherman

    Yes, Jews are intelligent. That’s why we’re all so rich and powerful.

    You have to be very specific in terms of what Jews are “powerful”? Israel, Jewish Lobby in US, etc.? The subversion of the US foreign policy by the neocon lobby is not so much a result of Jewish “intelligence” of which there is very little indication in a larger (than Manhattan) world, as much as systemic flaws of US polity which have nothing to do with US Jewry’s alleged intelligence and power but a lot to do with American general insulation from the world at large. Neocon lobby in US is a case in point of shoddy “scholarship”, grave incompetence in geopolitical and military issues, just to name a few, so if that is what constitutes “intelligence” and “power” in your opinion, then I have a bridge to sell you. If you want to say that Jews have money, well, many others have them too. Money by themselves, while important, can not, as an example, make Israel a real military superpower (regional? yes, but even that will be eventually challenged), the same goes for real economy. So, unless one begins to look attentively for a great deal of self-promotion and bluster which are characteristic of many namely American Jews (hardly a sign of intelligence), what’s the point in discussing anything? Take good ol’ US out of Jewish equation and what’s left? I know what’s left, the question is if you, and Jews who are intelligent and powerful, know. But the sense of scale and proportion was never a strong Jewish trait, despite their alleged intelligence.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @mannyboy
    , @Seraphim
  70. @jacques sheete

    A great comment that sheds light on the difference between myth and reality. Precisely, the kind of critical thinking that the American education system stifles.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  71. Agent76 says:

    January 6, 2016 Neocons at National Review: ‘Stop Calling Us Neocons!’

    When pondering the intellectual decline of political movements, it is hard not to call to mind the former flagship publication of the Buckleyite wing of conservatism called National Review.

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2016/01/06/neocons-at-national-review-stop-calling-us-neocons/

  72. joe webb says:

    good article , as far as it goes. The three reasons proffered for neocon hatred of Trump…that he has given the boot to them, and that he wants to do business with Russia, and that the neocons Get Ahead by the money the defense industry gives to their stink tanks…makes sense of course,but it is news to me (naive ) that they do so.

    No peace breaking out with Russia…bad for the jews, etc.

    I take the view that ever since Stalin began his “socialism in one country” thus rejecting
    World Revolution per the Trots, and especially having driven an ice pick into the head of Trotsky in Mexico, and then the USSR’s continuing downgrading of the jewish element leading to the Jewish exodus out of Russia in the 70s, both into Israel and the US, and elsewhere…and most recently the retirement of the oligarchs with measured prejudice under Putin…that all of this explains the Jewish jerking-knees about Russia.

    (I recall a story a few years ago about a Jewish refugee from Russia, who went to Germany. Jewyorktimes story…she was asked why she did not go to Israel and why , my g-d, Germany? She said too many jews in Israel. )

    We all know about the Trot character of the neocon lineage. World Revolution still drives them, but this time it is Globalism under of course, The Jews, who Know Better. The old Leninist Chosen People theme animates their pride and drive. It does not matter if it is capitalism or communism, as long at the right people are at the controls. That is the answer to the old riddle of how Jews can be both capitalist pigs And Communist pigs.

    I will post something on King Trump and his battle with the Establishment which Geraldi suggests might be a better term than Deep State…with which I agree. As Sniegoski has long pointed out, the Transparent Cabal is right out in front for anyone to see. Nothing Deep about it. But the Third Rail radiates its death rays way past just a few feet. It anxiously disturbs the brain…Crimethink to even go near. Crimethink does not get the respect it deserves…thanks Orwell.

    Anxiety only begins to cover the territory. Jewish Power, like Racial Equality, radiates Fear. Don’t go There!

    Since close to 100% of the DC bureaucracy voted for Billary…this is Establishment/Deep enough State to account for the hatred toward Trump…Dem/Jew/Race Rabble.

    Anyway, thanks to Girardi for a reminder of at least part of it.

    Joe Webb

    • Agree: anarchyst
  73. Mulegino1 says:

    Antisemitism is the cosmological constant of the western political establishment, in the sense that it provides the powers that be with an all purpose verbal bludgeon with which to demonize political dissent and shame the dissenters into silence. Fortunately, the term is now losing its effectiveness given its chronic overuse – almost always out of context. The term implies an irrational hatred of “the Jews” based upon envy of their success, fear and loathing of the “outsider”, Christian superstition, or the search for a scapegoat. As a description of reality, the term is useless and ridiculous, since the phenomena associated with it have nothing to do with “semites” and everything to do with the behavior of the Jews as a racial, ethnic, tribal or religious collective.

    This much was candidly admitted by the Zionist Jew Bernard Lazare, in the very first page of his seminal work, “Antisemitism: Its History and Causes”, where he admits that the primary, if not the sole cause of antisemitism throughout history has been the anti-social behavior of the Jews themselves – and today this is validated by both the Zionist neocons, who desire to throw the entire world into bloody chaos in order to ensure the perpetuation of Israel, as well as by the Jewish leftists whose project is the conversion of the United States from a majority Christian society of overwhelming European heritage into a multicultural third world dystopia.

  74. Z-man says:

    A little good news, Rex will be with Trump at Mar Lago and miss a NATO conference and then go to mother Russia to meet Vlad. A small victory for what’s left of the Christian West. LOL

  75. Z-man says:
    @geokat62

    Damn these computers, I meant to agree with this post! LOL Well said geokat.

  76. Svigor says:

    We have a president who is belligerent towards Iran, who is sending “boots on the ground” to fight ISIS, who loves Israel passionately and who is increasing already bloated defense budgets. If one were a neoconservative, what is there not to like, yet neocons in the media and ensconced comfortably in their multitude of think tanks hate Donald Trump. I suspect it comes down to three reasons. First, it is because Trump knows who was sticking the knife in his back during his campaign in 2016 and he has neither forgiven nor hired them. Nor does he pay any attention to their bleating, denying them the status that they think they deserve because of their self-promoted foreign policy brilliance.

    Probably because like most Jews, they are pro-Jewish before they are pro-Israeli. And there is a lot more to the Jewish agenda than just Israel. There’s keeping the world safe for diaspora Jews, which seems to mandate globalism, open borders, race-replacement of Whites, “multiculturalism,” anti-White racism, “diversity,” etc., etc., etc. Trump’s populism threatens much of their agenda (far more than the mopes he climbed over to get to the White House did, anyway).

    But yeah, not hiring them probably didn’t help (how else can they keep the world safe for diaspora Jews?).

    Chutzpah-driven Jews like Boot know the first key to success in the political-media complex is not to sabotage yourself. First rule of Warmongering for Jewry with Other People’s Sons is to never give a moment’s thought to being wrong. I mean, they’re not your sons, right? And hardly any of them are Jews, right? So what’s the big deal?

    or serves as a standby expression for a “Jew with politics I don’t like.”

    So, it’s basically a reciprocal of “anti-Semite,” then, which serves as the go-to expression for “anyone a Jew hates.”

    Jews overwhelmingly vote Democratic, which is a party that I don’t particularly like.

    Jews consider that “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!”

    I recognize that relatively few American Jews are neocons and that many American Jews are in the forefront in resistance to Israel’s inhumane policies, but the reality is that nearly all neocons are Jewish.

    The vast majority of American Jews are Zionists and leftists, though; much like the neocons.

    Abrasive and abusive Professor Alan Dershowitz recently proclaimed that Jews should never apologize for Jewish power, saying that it is deserved and granted by God

    How odd, of God, to Choose the Jews – not odd; the Jews chose God!

    When did you last see an “expert” on the Middle East on television who was not Jewish?

    Which is a lot like always having a Northwest European “expert” on the translatlantic slave trade or Civil Rights, a Nazi “expert” on Jewish issues, etc. Which is pretty much the opposite of the pattern seen on every other issue.

  77. Svigor says:

    Hey, it’s pretty cool that Jews have all this money and power.

    All Giraldi can do about it is cry on a fringe website.

    Historically speaking, these things don’t turn out well for Jews. Jews’ attitudes, as displayed in your comment, usually feed strongly into this. Jews do a great job of ignoring, dismissing, and condemning criticism and grievances, until it’s too late. Then it’s, “oh, life is so unfair, the goyim are so hateful,” bla bla bla. Never learning = making the same mistakes.

    The funny part is that it’s the little Jews – the Shermans, not the Zuckerbergs – who bear the brunt of the reaction. And here he is, blocking the steam valve on the pressure cooker…

    • Replies: @Alden
  78. Svigor says:

    I’ll put it another way: in which country did Jews gain a lot of power and not find themselves expelled, overthrown, or otherwise put through a lot of pain? Seen through a Jewish lens, even an unprecedented victory would seem to spell defeat, via absorption and assimilation.

  79. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Geo, is that you?

    No truth-telling scholars, no blood and treasure wasted?

    America has always riven by various factions that are vying for power to promote their own particular interests True

    it was never beholden to a foreign power when it came to the formulation of its foreign policy. This is an assertion that you have not proven.

    What we’re witnessing today is unprecedented.

    Israel’s existence is unprecedented. The unfettered flourishing of people of Jewish descent in a country like the US is unprecedented. It is not remarkable that most Jews would look with favor on Israel. It is not remarkable that most Americans looked (look) with favor on the British Isles and other settler nations.

    • Replies: @dcite
    , @Sam Shama
  80. joe webb says:

    Re: Fw: NYTimes.com: The Horror of Smug Liberals (Negroes Good, Whites Bad, movie cliche of black dudes and white girls and how race is now a …

    …”Cultural” army of True Believers harnessed by the 4th Estate to harass the king. This is a repetition of the age-old struggles between a king and aristocracy for power.

    Never mind the cliche, ever displayed as a red-flag for the raging bull of White men, of black dicks and white ladies’ private parts being violated by Race Equality! with jews paying the hotel bill and squatting on the bed watching, thus taunting White men while championing Revolution as well, delivering the country to civil war. How about an ugly niggeress with a white boy…maybe a jewboy…? no can do.

    Historically, both in the ancient Greek and Roman worlds and again in feudal times in Europe, Kings vied with their aristocracies for power and wealth. Common people often, especially in the ancient world, sided with kings against the aristocracy. Why? because the Aristocracy wanted land that ordinary people either already owned or wanted to own. The King, from a structural point of view…of course, was far more content with less landed wealth and more obedience from The People.

    Our own time now, right now, has the 4th Estate as what the Left (now sold out to Third Worldism and its cognates) used to call the Running dogs of Capitalism. The aristocracy today has several ranks, but the foremost is the 4th Estate, which confers not only lots of money, but lots of status and Power….real and imagined and always Desired. As the old jew Kissinger was credited as saying, power is the ultimate aphrodisiac….something only a jew could say probably, in his lust for the shiksa, All Orgasm and Triumph, and no mutuality of love and delight….foreplay, afterplay, and simple general tenderness in general…called respect. A White trait only.

    There is a profound lust for power in the 4th Estate, the urge for status, influence, prestige, and glitz, and sex of course. So, the cultural elites, 4th estate, popular magazines, Follywood, TV, and on and on…like Megyn Kelly me-tooing Oprah, and going for the Billion, not just a handful of millions, etc., pop music, all of these plus a few Business and Professional groups hustling their reps and money grubbing, declaring Money the main act, and so on, all the while laughing all the way to the bank with The People’s Money, stolen from them by Globalism, third worlders and the Aristocracy in general. To be clear, the upper middle class is our aristocracy.

    Is it a surprise that the king Trump has become the rallying point? Is it not in the historical tradition, for a people, long opposed and oppressed by an aristocracy, particularly of little merit and obsessed by the usual 7 deadly sins, to go to the king, particularly a rich king who does not have to eat shit from the aristocracy, for help in getting back their rights, their self-regard, and especially in the Race Follies of today, their Whiteness, their belief in themselves as the historical agent of the Best Civilization imaginable?

    So…then this soul bros/white girls movie, two generations of black males and white females, comes along to further infuriate The White People, especially as their kids are exposed to the subversion of race equality and Do-Gooding white females afflicted by Stockholm Syndrome and a dozen other syndromes as well..pity the poor Negro, fuck him, make him feel good, help him get his revenge(Soul on Ice..Eldridge Cleaver) on White Society. End up like the mini-multitude of white women seen on the streets in their 30s with niglets and no black Daddy, and certainly no white man in sight…… All of these folks don’t know what fire they are playing with. Some of the Blacks do know….and they will not be surprised when it comes.

    But there is money in it, and Interviews, and Badges, and jewyorktimes climbing. It was Bonfire of the Vanities. Now it is civl war, like in antiquity, or closer to home, our own civil war, whose embers still warm the blood of whites and blacks. Jews fan the flames, they are of the patrician class waiting to vanquish the king, as well as Whites…to rule over the devastated White lands, just like Israel will rule over the failed Arab and Iranian states. Jew Pride linked to White Niceness and third world savagery. And don’t forget the mexers with their own Aztec blood cannibalism.

    Joe Webb
    .

  81. ” I for one think it is past time for a little pushback from the rest of us to make Washington protect American interests instead of those of Israel.”

    YOU WANT TO BRING BACK OVENS FOR JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Be on guard for that Phil. Most excellent article by the way.

  82. Alden says:
    @animalogic

    The constitution is whatever a federal judge says it is. It is a living document meaning that judges can just make or unmake laws as they see fit. It is an unfortunate derivative of the ancient German Celtic Anglo system in which the biggest baddest bully in the village appointed himself or his friends and relatives judge who made the laws.

    The biggest baddest bullies in America are the judges and make and unmake laws according to the principle of doing exactly what they want and to he!! with the taxpayers who pay their salaries and support the entire system.

    The founders intended it that way. Find a Gilbert summary of constitutional law and read it. Check out Marbury vs Madison 1804 and Louisiana slaughter house 1870s cases. The founders were the biggest and baddest bullies and wrote the constitution to establish judicial supremacy over elected executive and legislative branches.

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  83. Alden says:
    @Svigor

    I’m familiar with the ebbs and flows of Jewish power in Europe and the Middle East over the centuries. In those days the Catholic and Muslim religions controlled the media. Now days Jews control the media. In those days, absolute sovereigns such as Eleanor of Aquaitaine saw what Jewish money lenders and crooked business people did to their territories and were able to simply order them out and their armies, militias and citizens abused by Jews did the job.

    But today jews control the media, the elected politicians and the civil service. Since all laws and executive orders can be unmade by unelected judges appointed with the approval of Jews it will never happen.

    Unless perhaps China conquers America and we become its colony. But even so, Jews have been making overtures to China since the 1970′s. Look at Dianne Feinstein’s husband Richard Blum. he was a run of the mill millionaire until he got in with China 45 years ago and soon became a billionaire.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  84. Alden says:
    @Cyrano

    Check out the destruction of one of the greatest medieval kingdoms, Poland/Lithuania. it stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea. But the elites more or less gave the country to Jewish agents and managers and the country never recovered.

    When Austria, Prussia and Russia partitioned Poland in the 18th century it had no diplomatic service or standing army. For centuries, Jews had taken over all tax collection by bribing the officials and the royals. Tax collectors in those days were not government employees paid a reasonable salary.

    Tax collectors were private businesses like bill collectors. They ostensibly operated on a commission system, but the Jewish tax collectors operated on a 99 percent commission 1 percent to the government system. When there was no money left for defense, Russia, Prussia and Russia pounced.

    Americans don’t want to reduce Whites to serfs as the Polish Jews did. They just want us gone because the doubt they will be able to have total control over White Americans.

  85. annamaria says:
    @Ram

    The infestation has been strategic: “Fake Scholarship” and the Future of America’s University,” by Professor Michel Chossudovsky, http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-scholarship-and-the-future-of-americas-university/5580252

    “Harvard University has established a modern version of the Catholic Church’s Index Librorum Prohibitorum, a list of prohibited online publications… Harvard established their list without reading or even consulting the contents of the alleged fake online publications. We’re talking about an extensive archive of hundreds of thousand of articles and authors including award winning scientists, prominent journalists, university professors, Nobel laureates, artists, actors, movie directors, distinguished politicians including members of the US Congress as well as young and committed authors and bloggers, not to mention university, college and high school students…
    Is Harvard’s Censorship initiative, as a “leading” Ivy League institution intent upon triggering a process whereby universities in the US, Canada and Western Europe establish what is true and what is false, without analysis, dialogue or critique, thereby banning the truth and upholding the lie?
    America’s global military agenda, not to mention extensive war crimes is supported by a vast propaganda apparatus which now”officially” includes Harvard University…. The University now tells us: you have a responsibility to support “humanitarian wars.”

    The willing puppets:
    Drew Gilpin Faust is the 28th president of Harvard University
    Sarah Thomas is the Vice President for the Harvard Library and University Librarian

  86. annamaria says:
    @utu

    The sausage-making is unraveling: “What would happen if Washington gave up on the jihad?” by Thierry Meyssan, http://www.voltairenet.org/article195697.html

    “The weapon of international terrorism has been managed on behalf of London and Washington by the Muslim World League since 1962… Until the war in Yemen, the military budget of the League was greater than that of the Saudi army, which meant that the League was the biggest private army in the world, a long way ahead of Academi/Blackwater. Even if it was only a land army, it was all the more efficient in that its logistics came directly from the Pentagon, and because it also had many suicide combatants. … It was the League – that is to say the Sauds – who furnished London and Washington with the personnel to organise the second «Great Arab Revolt», in 2011, on the model of the Revolt of 1916, but called this time the «Arab Spring….And according to Petra, the Jordanian news agency, Saudi Arabia secretly financed a third of Hillary Clinton’s electoral campaign against Donald Trump.”

  87. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “Neocon lobby in US is a case in point of shoddy “scholarship”, grave incompetence in geopolitical and military issues, just to name a few, so if that is what constitutes “intelligence” and “power” in your opinion, then I have a bridge to sell you.”
    And the scoundrels have been very good at avoiding any responsibility for the grave incompetence. Guess this constitutes their special kind of “morals.”

  88. dcite says:
    @iffen

    It is not remarkable that most Jews would look with favor on Israel.

    Nobody else would care if all they did was “look with favor on Israel.” Americans in general always did “look with favor” at plucky Israel. It was when this country’s taxpayers were made to pay for that favor, some even making the ultimate sacrifice in various associated conflicts, that controversy set in.

  89. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Don’t tell me that the same dynamics that have moved American history start looking ugly to you only when it’s mostly Jewish peopl”

    This is half of the story The other half is that the invaders ,the warriors,the rapist,the murderous armies that you refer to did all these for collective ethnic good and they did it by putting their lives in harm’s way . LEARN THE DIFFERENCE ! When things went wrong,they paid the price
    When decision was found to be motivated by something else other than what was explicitly told to their own countrymen ,they paid a price .

    May be when Wolfowitz down to Boot would do something even if it is rotten and genocidal but still for America and not for Israel, may be then we would look at these psychopaths free riders parasitic entities with a different eye glass .

    • Replies: @Anon
  90. @Sherman

    “And yes, selling organs is very profitable.”

    Hey Sherman,

    Having taken special note that you’re a braggart regarding tribal intelligence & wealth, I failed in trying to get you to reveal the name of the European computer where you’re employed.

    Oh well… ‘Twas worth the try.

    As you know, the absurd U.S. gift of $38 billion (over 10-years) for Israel’s defense has “reared it’s ugly head” here again. Following is a stat on Israel, an apartheid nation the size of New Jersey and with fewer residents than New York City:

    Israel lists 93 companies on the NASDAQ — more than India, Japan, and South Korea COMBINED.

    Furthermore, and according to today’s Wall Street Journal article “Good Schools aren’t the Secret to Israel’s High-Tech Boom,” by Naftali Bennett, Israel’s Minister of Education, “in 2016 investors sank more than $ 6 billion into Israel’s more than 6,000 startups, Google, IBM, Apple, and Intel all have research-and-development centers located in…” The Promised Land!

    What’s more, The Jewish Minister of Ed. opined that “among our secret (education) weapons is the study of the Talmud, our legal codex”…, which is distinctly different than the Jesus-based charity ethic which children of U.S. evangelicals & baptists are schooled in!

    C’mon, Sherman. Tell me, an American taxpayer “down & out” in Scranton — what Euro company employs you to do such profitable business in Israel?

    Please don’t say (London-based) Alphabet, Inc.’s Google? You might have heard that yesterday, an ‘executive’ has apologized yesterday for running commercials before the playing of EXTREMIST videos on You Tube. Ouch.

    I trust the ambitious Alphabet “executive” was not you, Sherman? But maybe you’re company is more into the production realm of extremist videos (on site) somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean basin?

    Oh, c’mon for chrissakes, tell me who you work for now! I’ll tell you what I used to do for a shady but profitable living while it lasted — Health & Safety Coordinator, Permindex, Co., USA Division. C’mon, Sherman, pretty please?

  91. dcite says:
    @Aren Haich

    He also likened America to a dinosaur having the brain of a sparrow.

    So true (but it applies to his country too.) That so many more or less literate people should be guided by a few easily exposed professional liars (of any religious/ethnic type), is a crying shame. The past election taught us that people vote for their own best interests when those interests become compelling enough. That’s something the PTB are having a hard time accepting.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  92. @Aren Haich

    “He also likened America to a dinosaur having the brain of a sparrow.”

    Well, the U.S. Government certainly has shit for brains. . . .

  93. itsover says:

    The neocons and their backers should be tried for treason.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @annamaria
  94. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Does this figure include Russia? Or are they talking about central/Western Europe only?

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    And Jews have nukes too.

    They can’t be pushed around like 30′s Europe.

    • Replies: @Anon
  96. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @dcite

    Most Americans can’t even comprehend the level of crookedness happening today.

    They would certainly pick up on some garden variety graft – but the sophistication of this crowd -the shameless lying by what appear to be respectable, nice, educated people just doesn’t compute.

    I don’t think the average American mind works in a way that would enable them to understand this sort of venal behaviour (thankfully).

    There is a sort of psycopathy at play.

  97. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Keith says:

    Brilliantly stated.

  98. dcite says:
    @anonymous

    I don’t think the average American mind works in a way that would enable them to understand this sort of venal behaviour (thankfully).

    There is a sort of psychopathy at play.

    You’d think we’d remember: fool me once, shame on you; fool me again, shame on me. But we never get it, en mass, or get it too late. I don’t know if most of We the People are basically good, but most are definitely too lazy or too sensible to be energetically and relentlessly evil, and find it hard to imagine people like that who are not cartoon characters.
    Lucky for some.

  99. @Anon-og

    Didn’t you know that the position of Undersecretary of the Treasury for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, like the Fed, is grandfathered to the Zionists? From David Cohen to Stuart Levey to Adam J. Szubin and now to Mandelker. It’s no coincidence. How else can Israel ensure that the unnecessary and unwarranted sanctions stay on Iran and the war drums continue to beat? Of course, it will be the U.S. soldiers that die in a war with Iran while the Israelis and their sayanim sit back and pull the strings. It doesn’t matter which party is in power, those behind the curtain rule.

    If the Democrats want to look for foreign interference in the U.S. government and elections they should begin with AIPAC (Adelson, Saban, etc.) and the infestation of the Israeli agents in our government.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Chet Roman
  100. @Sherman

    Hey, it’s pretty cool that Jews have all this money and power.

    Must be nice to have all that and eternal victimhood to boot!

    Where do I sign up?

    • Agree: Z-man
  101. @anonymous

    There is a sort of psychopathy at play.”

    Bulls eye — it’s an early 1960′s (CIA-managed) “Operation Chaos” revival with Mossad agents crawling all over and helping journalists (in the employ of The Corporate “Big 6″ Media) say what need be said.

    I really dig how you put it, anonymous, “Most Americans can’t even comprehend the level of crookedness happening today.” This statement hits at the primary cause (root) of America’s Zionist-engineered dysfunctionality and disunion. If Americans “in-the know” fail to speak & act NOW, America is doomed.

    I trust Philip Giraldi is pleased with this out pour of non-manipulated comments? Thank you!

  102. @Sherman

    Yes, Jews are intelligent. That’s why we’re all so rich and powerful.

    If yer so intelligent, then ‘splain to me how money buys luv, especially when ya run around spoutin off about it.

    I’ve never ever encountered a person with big bucks who ran around yapping about it with every breath he takes. The ones I know are pretty low key about it.

  103. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Keith says:

    ” And Jews have nukes too. They can’t be push around like 30′s Europe”.

    Who is pushing Jews around today. Phil Giraldi’s post is all about the Jews pushing Americans around. Are you saying Israel will use the “Sampson Option” on the US when Americans finally get fed up and retaliate againsts Jews for being led like cattle (Goyim) into nation suicide.

    America is presently safe for now because the US is the Jews cash cow. We should start to worry when the parasites find another Empire host to feed off of.

    I don’t think they need to go nuclear. All they have to do is to activate the Elders of Zion Protocol
    security plan like they did in WW 2.

    ” When any nation challenges us, we will mobilize the other countries we control against our emerging enemy”.

    Isn’t this what International Jewry is doing today against Iran?

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @iffen
  104. @Joe Levantine

    Thank you. Nock was certainly tops and the anti-federalists were ~100% correct.

    The fact that no one else commented speaks volumes.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  105. L.K says:
    @Chet Roman

    If the Democrats want to look for foreign interference in the U.S. government and elections they should begin with AIPAC (Adelson, Saban, etc.) and the infestation of the Israeli agents in our government.

    Exactly. Instead, all one ever hears is this BS about Russia… another telling sign of who really runs ZUSA.
    Philip Weiss wrote a good piece on this; ‘Israel interferes in our politics all the time, and it’s never a scandal” – http://mondoweiss.net/2017/02/interferes-politics-scandal/

    The Israeli interference in our politics is the conspiracy in plain sight that no one in the media talks about because they’re too implicated themselves. The two top executives at the largest media company, Comcast, are pro-Israel; one of them, David Cohen, raised money for the Israeli army. Netanyahu’s speeches to Congress were written by Gary Ginsberg, an executive at another media company, Time Warner, but hey, that’s not an issue. Four New York Times reporters have had children serve in the Israeli army. One of them is columnist David Brooks, who says that he gets gooey-eyed when he visits Israel. He is one of several Zionists with columns at the Times. Tom Friedman justified the Iraq War because suicide bombers were going into Tel Aviv pizza parlors. (Huh?) Yesterday Martin Indyk said on National Public Radio that Jared Kushner’s strong Jewish background was an asset for his being a Middle East mediator, a job that Aaron David Miller, who also has a strong Jewish background, defined as being Israel’s lawyer. Indyk, himself a mediator, started a pro-Israel thinktank with Haim Saban, an Israeli-American who was Clinton’s biggest funder[...]

  106. @itsover

    The neocons and their backers should be tried for treason.

    Nah, send ‘em straight to Gitmo…nothing like tasting one’s own medicine!

    • Replies: @Blondenfun1
  107. @anonymous

    I don’t think the average American mind works in a way that would enable them to understand this sort of venal behaviour (thankfully).

    In fact it’s even worse. When the corruption is pointed out to them, they roll their eyes and call ya names.

    I don’t even think many of them have what could be called minds.

  108. bjondo says:
    @Wally

    Right about the 2%. been 2% everywhere for several centuries
    A useful number like 6 mill

  109. annamaria says:
    @itsover

    The neocon’ policies have brought some very special fruit to the formerly beautiful Paris. “‘… rampage in Paris suburb:” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/08/french-sixth-form-pupils-set-fire-school-run-unprecented-rampage/
    “…education minister, Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, conceded: A damn seems to have burst with the introduction of violence . . . inside schools.” … a blockage outside Lycée Suger in Saint-Denis ended with about 100 pupils ransacking the school.” But of course ,”the riot followed calls on social media networks for protests over police violence.”
    Well, lets see whom the ordinary Parisians are going to call for help when the sub-Saharan migrants (remember Qaddaffi’ warning?) start expanding their territory in Paris: https://www.youtube.com/embed/UD7UA1d-WnA?rel=0
    As it was suggested before, the riots should be named after the gorgoylish Sarkozy, this parvenue inflamed with a desire to look napoleonic, who sent French troops to “bring democracy on the march” to Libya. And was not it the most fortunate recipient of Saudis largess, Mrs. Clinton, who cackled about the death of Qaddaffi? Unlike the incompetent Obama, Sarkozy, and Clinton, Qaddaffi was a talented statesmen who made Libya into a gem of north Africa, the most prosperous and tolerant state there. But the neocons had a plan. Well. Where is Libyan gold, Mrs. Clinton? How do you like your capital, Mr. Sarkozy? Enjoying barricades and the sight of wounded policemen and defaced buildings?

  110. @Chet Roman

    Correction, it was: From Stuart Levey to David Cohen to Adam J. Szubin and now to Mandelker.

    In 2015 Cohen was appointed Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. The Champaign must have been flowing in Mossad at the news.

  111. MEexpert says:
    @Sherman

    Hey, it’s pretty cool that Jews have all this money and power

    Yet Israel keeps coming begging the United States for more money.

  112. mannyboy says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Good comment.

    So here’s the thing about Jews. I’ve been thinking about this for some time now. I think I commented on this site previously. I’m of Russian-Jewish descent (though I am what you would call a “self-hating Jew”. I started moving away from my Jewishness in my mid-2os after many negative encounters with Jews themselves and after reading much literature on their BS historical narrative. One trait that many jews have, and which might explain their outsized influence in the US, is FANATICISM.

    This is something Lenin noticed about them a decade or so before he embarked on the Revolution and decided to weaponize it. He and Trotsky eagerly recruited Jews among their ranks because they noticed that Jews were absolutely driven mad by activism and a burning desire to bring change to Russia. Most people don’t understand this. Many Jews on the other hand are feverishly obsessed with Judaism and Israel. They have a permanent bug up their asses because they see it as their duty to bring “light unto the nations”. That’s why you see so many Jews within the ranks of feminists, homo rights advocates, social justice types and others. Jews are simply NOT SATISFIED with the status quo, they are deeply bothered by it. They want and NEED to change it. The same goes for these neocons. They’ve been working like madmen for the last 20 or so years trying to modify US foreign policy to benefit Israel, and voila they’ve achieved great success.

    I wish great luck to the American people in dealing with this problem or whatever you want to call it. A famous Russian comedian once quipped “the greatest thing Russia ever did was to expel most of its Jews”. It was like a great burden had been lifted and the country could start to re-build. They are now America’s problem.

  113. iffen says:
    @Anon

    activate the Elders of Zion Protocol

    Dem Jews got Elders? I thought that it was the Mormons what got Elders. Dang, this is confusing.

  114. @Alden

    The founders were the biggest and baddest bullies and wrote the constitution to establish judicial supremacy over elected executive and legislative branches.

    The original constitution granted state governments a supreme power over other federal branches of government.

    The original constitution had US senators and the US president appointed by state legislators and state electoral colleges, respectively.

    Federal judges are still appointed by the US president and US senators.

    The modern constitution still recognizes the power of the US congress to remove federal judges for bad behavior.

    “The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour”

    “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

    17th amendment removed the power of state legislatures to appoint US senators, who in turn help to appoint federal judges.

    17th amendment was a bad law enacted after the Civil War.

  115. Great piece, Phil. Looking forward to seeing you in Lake Jackson unless you get hauled before the House Committee on Unz-American Activities and thrown in the hoosegow.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  116. When not musing over how it is always 1938 and one is in Munich, neocons are nearly as unsettled when they think it is 1905 in Odessa.

    Brilliant! This is at least as good as Russell Kirk’s quip that “it seemed as if some eminent neoconservatives mistook Tel Aviv for the capital of the United States” and Stephen Tonsor’s observation that “had Stalin spared Leon Trotsky and not had him murdered in Mexico, he would no doubt have spent his declining days in an office at the Hoover Library writing his memoirs and contributing articles of a faintly neoconservative flavor to Encounter and Commentary.”

  117. chris says:
    @geokat62

    America … it was never beholden to a foreign power when it came to the formulation of its foreign policy. What we’re witnessing today is unprecedented.

    Unfortunately, even this is not entirely true. The disastrous US intervention in WWI was orchestrated by direct British intervention (our other ‘special relationship’ ‘friends’) and here too, our current bestest friends were involved, in order to have the British be in power to make good to them in Palestine.
    So even the greater point that Anonimous was making, regarding US intervention in Europe, still has their fingerprints all over it.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  118. JGarbo says:
    @quercusalba

    Can we stay on track. Jews are not an ethnic group. No-one is born a Jew anywhere, you have to work at it. So “…let’s be unafraid of calling out their ethnicity…” makes no sense. That does not deny a group of Jews (or Christians) are working together for some nefarious purpose. Clarity, please.

    • Replies: @mannyboy
  119. Trumpski hates the neocons because of their past exaggerated case scenarios! The neocons have been and still are being tanked by Trumpski and they know it! The last indication was when John Bolton was sidelined!

  120. @Wally

    But Jews are not children of Israel, they are children of the devil! So said Iesus! Christos:

    You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

    As father, as sons! Just look at them in those pictures,.. indeed a picture says more than a thousand words! Just like their father.

    • Agree: Z-man
  121. […] are nearly as unsettled when they think it is 1905 in Odessa. Continue reading via The Unz Review http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/neocons-as-a-figment-of-imagination/ Summary via R3publicans R3publicans – Coddingtons Corner: Neocons as a Figment of Imagination […]

  122. Miro23 says:
    @mannyboy

    That’s why you see so many Jews within the ranks of feminists, homo rights advocates, social justice types and others. Jews are simply NOT SATISFIED with the status quo, they are deeply bothered by it. They want and NEED to change it. The same goes for these neocons. They’ve been working like madmen for the last 20 or so years trying to modify US foreign policy to benefit Israel, and voila they’ve achieved great success.

    There’s something in this.

    It’s almost a radicalism for the sake of being radical – a propensity for dissent, flag waving, arguing and generally kicking everyone around.

    As Albert Lindemann wrote about the last days of Imperial Vienna :

    “….all public life was dominated by Jews. The banks, the press, the theater, literature, social organizations, all lay in the hands of the Jews…. The aristocracy would have nothing to do with such things…. The small number of untitled patrician families imitated the aristocracy; the original upper-middle class had disappeared….. The court, the lower middle class and the Jews gave the city its stamp. And that the Jews, as the most mobile group, kept all the others in continual motion is, on the whole, not surprising.”

    The root is probably ethnic. Mizrahi Jews are more pure race Semitic than Ashkenazis and are a more settled non-radical people, suggesting that Ashkenazi radicalism comes from being (recently) mixed race – actually more European than Semitic – and the struggle to show how “Jewish” they are, making a country full of troublesome little Lenins.

    Obama had the same problem, having to prove how Black he was, since he was in fact rather White.

    Also Netanyahu wouldn’t get a second glance walking down a street in Poznan. He certainly wouldn’t be taken for an Arab.

    • Replies: @L.K
  123. geokat62 says:
    @chris

    The disastrous US intervention in WWI…

    “The impact of the Great War on the United States saw political, economic and social changes. The United States emerged from the war as a world military and industrial leader.”

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @chris
  124. […] are nearly as unsettled when they think it is 1905 in Odessa. Continue reading via The Unz Review http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/neocons-as-a-figment-of-imagination/ Summary via R3publicans R3publicans – Coddingtons Corner: Neocons as a Figment of Imagination […]

  125. “Just look at them in those pictures.”

    I feel rather bad that Philip Zelikow’s picture is absent.

    His essential demonic work on the 9-11 lying Commission was opposed by the “9-11 Families Steering Committee.”

    I believe the voices of the dead cry out for justice, so in their honor — including all the dead who have fallen to this day in the evil U.S.-Zionist “War of Terror” — I will provide the You Tube video below where Zelikow’s dark mug can be seen in the light. (Note: Presently P.Z. is living rather “high & Safe” as an associate Dean at the University of Virginia)

    So in memory of the Departed:

    https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-philip-zelikow/

  126. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Keith says:

    The Mormons have Elders too. Mit Romney, the Mormon Elder received millions from Elder King Jew Sheldon Adelson when he was running for the US presidency. Mit was going to deploy the Protocol security plan and wipe Iran off the map for Israel.

    Again… you think this subject is a joke.

    When the shit hits the fan… make sure your bags are packed.

  127. Stevo says:

    Phil, great piece,you could of titled it “the elephant in the room that no one talks about” but look at doing a seqel ” Israel, Washington’s slush fund” it might explain why so many congressmen go there so much.

  128. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @mannyboy

    Keith Says:

    Im Russian- Jewish decent and considered a self hating Jew by Jews.

    I consider you to be a good patriotic American, whos loyalty is to the country you live in.

    There is no need for Jews to give up their religion. The Torah Jews, who are anti Zionists,
    are loyal to the countries they live in.

    I have deap admiration and respect for this Patriotic Jew in this video. Unlike the Hasbara Jews, Iffen and Sam the Sham, who are taking a beat down in this verbal pogrom.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  129. Z-man says:
    @James Robinson

    Funny…but in this day with more than a tinge of truth.

  130. @Anonymous

    HI think there are in fact very big differences between what the average literate citizen could know about government now and in past centuries. While people may have worried that satanic forces or Papists or whatever were making the authorities less than reliably benign, over the last century a much greater sophistication and realism has been forced on people.

    Another big change has been the spread of freedom of information legislation in the more or less democratic countries. Together with leaking in an age where it is difficult to catch the leakers a lot of important information gets out even if not usually in real time. The prospect of it becoming public knowledge is itself reason to conform behaviour to that reality (meaning it is less mysterious compared with what the layman understands to be reality) and a reason to believe that the outsider has a better idea of what happens on the inside. But against that, but also against there being any firm insider control anyway, is the vast and increasing acceleration of complexity. So most insiders don’t have a clue either. Does anyone think Rumsfeld, Cheney or Bush were other than shocked and angry about Abu Ghreib? (OK even more that it couldn’t have been kept quiet as would have happened during the 40s and 50s).

  131. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Power is taken by who is best at taking it, I don’t like it if someone complains only when it’s not them.

    Are you sure you agree with this? This should be an us vs. them interpretation?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  132. @mannyboy

    The feverish obsessions you say was noticed and used by Lenin prompts a perhas far fetched historical comparison: Zionists from Russia and Crusaders from Western Europe 800 years before. The big common factor wss lots of spare underemployed young men. In the Middle Ages the young of the knightly class were particularly dangerous but all those sick of the Czar’s regime in the Russian empire were ripe for crusader like sdventures.
    The Ashkenazi Jewish fertility continued to ne Malthusian right into the 2oth century. Compare the surplus of violent young Vikings, Normans etc.

  133. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @mannyboy

    Keith apologizes for not providing the video about the good patriotic Jew who says Israel did 911.

    He is considered a self hating Jew and even worse, a anti Semite.

  134. mannyboy says:
    @JGarbo

    “Jews are not an ethnic group” is probably one of the greatest lies and misconceptions about Jews that Americans (and ONLY Americans) seem to have.

    What a load of shite. Of course Jews are an ethnic group!! I am Jewish by birth. I have a Jewish mother. We’ve NEVER attended a synagogue, but on my Soviet birth certificate under nationality it states “Jew”. I’m not even kidding!

    Woody Allen and Jerry Seinfeld are probably atheists. Yet they strongly identify and think of themselves as Jewish.

    They should do a Simpsons episode with Bart writing “Jews are an ethnic group” a thousand times on the blackboard to wake up Americans from their stupid naivete regarding this tribe.

  135. @Wally

    If it’s not a hate crime yet, it will be eventually.

  136. Only the Jews are allowed to trivialize their holocaust while simultaneously demanding to be its only enshrined victims. In this projection the Jews trivialize humanity by claiming for themselves a unique suffering. Hence, dialectically speaking, the word “Hitler,” as it is used pejoratively, really means “the Jew,” as it is implied atavistically.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  137. @geokat62

    Exactly. The ruling classes of old had their crimes to answer for, no doubt, but they at least had a connection/relation to the people whom they ruled over and were not inherently hostile towards them. That is very unlike the present situation, where an essentially alien and parasitic oligarchy (with native lapdogs of course, to try to cover the nature of the beast) rule over a people whom they despise.

  138. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @mannyboy

    and voila they’ve achieved great success.

    Here is the point on which I disagree strongly. I do not consider what they achieved a “great success”, in fact, this “achievement” can only be described in terms of unmitigated disaster, which, if to follow neocon fixation, not only did not make Israel’s position stronger but weakened it tremendously. Events in Syria are a harbinger of eventual emergence of Arab entity which may (and probably will) challenge Israel and it is not going to be a repeat of 1973. But then again, neocons’ favorite (and totally contrived) shtick of “controlled chaos” is not “controlled” and never was since all neocons, without exception, are lousy students of history, geopolitics and warfare. And then comes this issue of the United States as a main pivot around which neocon policies revolve since Reagan. Thanks to, a very large degree, neocons’ policies United States lost an enormous amount of political, economic and military capital, much of it unrecoverable. The loss of American real resources is such that it is dangerous to even disclose the actual “number” to a general public. The neocon parasite, effectively, killed what sustained it–this is hardly a sign of intelligence. Why it killed the body which sustained it? Here I agree with you completely–fanaticism, which is also a sign of weak-mindedness. If you are of Russia descent than you have to remember an outstanding dialog of Shtirlitz (from 17 Moments Of Spring) with Wehrmacht’s (played by incomparable Nikolai Gritzenko) General in a diplomatic rail car. Recall, what he says about fanatics–they may win initially, but they will never be able to hold on to victory.

  139. Bill says:
    @Wally

    Hey moron:

    There are no Census questions on religion.

  140. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @rush lim-baw

    Only the Jews are allowed to trivialize their holocaust while simultaneously demanding to be its only enshrined victims.

    An important caveat–mostly in US. US is a nation where it is very easy to set up a Holocaust industry because overwhelming majority of Americans are not aware of real events of WW II. In Russia, meanwhile, Holocaust is merely a part of a much larger tragedy, plus a large number of Jews who fought valiantly in the Red Army, that is died with weapons in their arms, if I am not mistaken, are also counted as Holocaust victims not as soldiers.

  141. Bill says:
    @Hunsdon

    I’m curious why the neocons hate Trump so much. He is pro-Israel, pro-military-industrial-complex, and belligerent. He hates Iran. His married kids are married to Jews. It is the weirdest thing how much they hate him.

  142. Bill says:
    @Anonymous

    Power is taken by who is best at taking it, I don’t like it if someone complains only when it’s not them.

    So, you are an anti-semite?

  143. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [It is not remarkable that most Jews would look with favor on Israel. It is not remarkable that most Americans looked (look) with favor on the British Isles and other settler nations.]

    Exactly so. Additionally, M&W’s conclusion on this subject overreaches by a degree so vast that it renders their entire thesis barren beyond speaking points employed by, uh well…anyone searching for words to pin it all on Jews. I find this work mostly composed of arguments which go not a great deal beyond crafting an edgy and strained story from a cobweb of anecdotes. They did not follow the money, something which always, without exception, finds the true reasons for war.

    Of course, Jews are highly visible in DC political circles [visible groups have always come and gone] and are by and large sympathetic to the security needs of Israel. But to claim they were behind GWOT solely for the benefit of Israel – an entity involved in brokering U.S. arms business – is to miss the proverbial forest for a solitary plant! I have followed corporations which got enriched since Mossadegh’s departure, past the 1st Iraq war, Afghanistan, the 2nd Iraq war all the way to date, and the picture which emerges [as in the ownership structure of these companies] tells a story quite different from the one which finds unquestioning, zealous acceptance here. The ownership structures of those companies were and remain to this day no more that 15% Jewish; of that I am sure.

    So, much more than what meets the eye from a read of M&W – good thinkers in many ways who failed to look at the economics, I’m afraid.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  144. Incitatus says:

    I’m confused (not the first time). To celebrate the neocon downfall while blaming them for Trumpian belligerence?

    Don’t get me wrong. Listening to Kristol, Boot and other neocons is crazy given their record. Many should be indicted and tried for Crimes against Peace. But it’s naïve, or downright misleading, to blame them alone for the 2003 Iraq War.

    Remember James Woolsey, Condi Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Dick Cheney, George W Bush, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo, John Bolton, Newt Gingrich, Steven Hadley, Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Andy Rooney, Andy Card? Senators and congressmen who voted authorization (e.g. Hilary Clinton)? Bill Clinton and the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act? Even Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham, and Pat Robertson prepared their flocks for war.

    Who profited? KBR, Cheney’s old firm raked in over $39 billion for Iraq operations – the largest amount of any contractor. Defense industries never had it better. Is it coincidence the same sector benefits from Trumpian belligerence? And from the $38 billion for Israel (which must be spent on American weapons)? Anyone notice Trump’s proposed 10% hike in defense spending?

    Comity with Russia, Iran and all other nations should be a prime goal. Reducing the defense budget and eliminating arms exports might help. Withdraw tax exemptions for think tanks – most are really nests of lobbyists. Publicize the records of all politicians, bureaucrats and commentators, including neocons.

    Militarism leads to stacked corpses and shattered worlds. Those responsible for the 2003 Iraq War should be called to account. But indict them all, not just a few convenient scapegoats.

  145. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Bill

    Because he is the first approximation of an American nationalist in modern US history. Trump seems to genuinely care about what constitutes the backbone of American nation–mostly white, mostly Christian, hard-working folks, whose interests do not coincide with those of neocons or, in a larger scheme of things, American Jews. The assertion, however improbable now, of an American nation as mostly European nation has enormous cultural implications for neocons. The Trump’s election phenomenon is not in policies, which are still in the early stage of formulation, it is in what Trump represents. In a genuine America-first framework, there is very little place for Israel. Anything other than America-first–is a decline (accelerated) of the US and eventual disintegration. This is not the future many, yours truly included, want to see. Trump knows this, neocons don’t, due to their stupidity.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Bill
  146. @Anonymous

    “I’m Russian-Jewish descent and considered a self hating Jew by Jews.”

    Dear anonymous (Keith),

    It’s good to know about one’s origins. One point I like to keep in my mind is that unless one is an ancestor of Native Americans, we are all descendants from people who arrived here from somewhere else.

    As a Catholic “Bible Thumper,” and based upon “faith,” I will point out what St. Paul wrote to the Galatians who apparently had problems with what Rodney King advised > 2000 later, “Why can’t we all get along?” St. Paul offered these words to the Galatians 3:28: “There is neither Jew nor Greek… for ye are all one in Jesus Christ ”

    I consider myself a patriotic American who upholds loyalty to the country I inhabit. As my government is no longer loyal to the great majority of Americans, and frequently acts unjustly violent to foreign “neighbors,” I am not loyal to it!

    Sam The Sham and ‘iffen “iffen” are foolishly engaging discussions here at Unz and are deservedly (as you say), “taking a beat down in a verbal pogrom.” It does not have to be this way for them. They choose such ignominy.

    Had they the mental muscles to spiritually lift themselves up and recognize “ye are all one in Jesus Christ,” they may come to understand that humans are inevitably bound to “settle” in The Kingdom of God” where neither Trump nor Netanyahu will have anymore “say” than a good Patriotic Jew-character who appears in one of Linh Dinh’s “Postcard” barrooms!

    Jesus words “Peace be with you” will be neither subject to Camp David agreements, Oslo accords, nor U.N. edicts. However, “Settlement”” housing might be available in Hell’s West Bank?

    Finally, as the U.S. has gone out of its way, especially since the 9-11False Flag attacks, to further along insane Zionist territorial expansion goals, please look at the A.P. article (below) that describes the Israeli’s operation “Safe Distance” and prepares Jews for a new round of warfare amidst a serious uptick in tensions involving Syrians and Hezbollah.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-plans-mass-evacuation-if-war-erupts-again/

    It’s very unfortunate that JFK was murdered, and nothing could stop AIPAC from having to register as an “agent of a foreign government” and building a secret nuclear weapon arsenal.
    (Zionist zealots had no use for St. Paul’s advice, “put on the armor of God.”) For this to happen & run smoothly, anonymous (Keith), millions of U.S. Christians had to be indoctrinated to “give up their religion,” especially the part where world peace would blockade further unfolding of the Protocols of Zion.

    “Safe Distance,” you say, eh, Colonel Itzik Bar of the Homefront Command? Please President Trump, grant America “safe distance” from the Neoconservatives!

    Selah.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  147. @geokat62

    “The impact of the Great War on the United States saw political, economic and social changes. The United States emerged from the war as a world military and industrial leader.”

    By design, not by happenstance.

  148. Art says:
    @Sherman

    Hey, it’s pretty cool that Jews have all this money and power.

    Sherman displays his contempt for the intellectual idealism found in the Declaration of Independence and Bill 0d Rights. He and his evil little tribe want to take us back to biblical times of raw power.

    Sherman is an animal – a biological tribal human predator who holds money and power as the pinnacle of success. He revels in a zero sum world of strong vs. weak. Lies and coercion mean nothing to him, they are his stock and trade. He does what he can get away with. He lives the traits he was given as a child. (So few Jews have the intellectual strength to overcome their upbringing.)

    What a sad little tribe of people the Jew are – forever mired in contemptuous antagonism with their fellow humans. (The worst of them are Euro half-Jews.)

    Peace — Art

  149. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Incitatus

    Remember James Woolsey, Condi Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Dick Cheney, George W Bush, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo, John Bolton, Newt Gingrich, Steven Hadley, Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Andy Rooney, Andy Card? Senators and congressmen who voted authorization (e.g. Hilary Clinton)? Bill Clinton and the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act? Even Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham, and Pat Robertson prepared their flocks for war.

    Agree, neocons would have never succeeded if not for “pre-exisiting condition” of many in US WASP “elites” longing for being exceptional. Neocons sensed extremely well a desire for, sometimes outright crude, flattery and there you go–they delivered it by truck loads, they also found very many allies in Evangelical community and the union there is genuine, since it is of Old Testament. This all is more than just some financial expediency, however well pronounced, the whole thing is ideological and cultural. In some sense, modern US is created for neocon policies. The whole arrangement is very, how to put it politely, Asiatic in its nature.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Incitatus
  150. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    No, I don’t agree with this, not as in a deliberate act, not especially as an ethnic group effort, but it has worked out that way hasn’t it? The English and French are prime examples. Do Jews look out for each other? No more than Christians do, in synagogues and churches; but I strenuously object to notions, e.g., that Jews are ethnically biased. No; they are biased towards achieving the best outcome for a given problem.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Art
    , @Seraphim
    , @geokat62
  151. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    which must be spent on American weapons

    My understanding is that this is looking forward, apparently we (the US) have been paying them to buy from their own weapons industry.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @ThreeCranes
  152. iffen says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Trump knows this, neocons don’t, due to their stupidity.

    How can they run the entire fucking world, the mother of all matrices, the Jews-matrix from hell, if they are stupid?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Bill
  153. Sam Shama says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    [This all is more than just some financial expediency,]

    Expediency? No; but financial gain was, and will always remain a key factor.

    [the whole thing is ideological and cultural. In some sense, modern US is created for neocon policies. The whole arrangement is very, how to put it politely, Asiatic in its nature.]

    You could call it cultural, but sovereigns yearning, positively thirsting for expansion on land and across the oceans are old habits. British, Spanish, Portuguese entrusting such endeavours in the hands of non-natives is hardly un-European.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  154. @Sam Shama

    ” follow the money — good thinkers in many ways who failed to look at the economics.”

    You can follow the money, Sam the Sham! That’s a beneficial routine that often cripples deeper thought. And as you know, Shammy, the Jewish Wise Man Marx called it “economic determinism.”

    (sigh) Many idle rich & intelligent men have done so throughout history, and they forgot about the sores of Lazraus who once ate the crumbs which fell off the freak Moneychangers table.

    Do you think the money owned by highly visible Jews in DC “political circles” will be redeemable in what ‘iffen “iffen” awaits in “The Bank of The New City of Jerusalem”? Watch out, Shammy — 15% of the bank tellers might be Hezbollah!

    Selah.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  155. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    The English and French are prime examples. Huh?

    No more than Christians do

    The identity focused behaviors are different for minority groups as opposed to majority groups.

    e.g., that Jews are ethnically biased.

    Some are and some are not, just like some Christians.

    No; they are biased towards achieving the best outcome

    There is no “best outcome” without context, but let’s leave that aside for now.

    Power is taken by who is best at taking it, I don’t like it if someone complains only when it’s not them.

    The implication here is not meritocracy, but rather, people of a non-Jewish background had power, now it is the Jews’ turn, not the most capable, but the Jews as a group.

    As in “not them.”

    This is no different from these pork chopping black politicians who claim, with the approval of liberals and black constituents, that heretofore white politicians were corrupt and stole from the public, so now it okay for them because it is their “turn.”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  156. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Moron, I am adding you to the Commenters to Ignore club. You can then talk to yourself, [or 'Art'] which is another way of saying defecate on yourself.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  157. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @iffen

    How can they run the entire fucking world, the mother of all matrices, the Jews-matrix from hell, if they are stupid?

    So, US is now a whole world? I don’t know, do Jews run China? Do they run India? Do they run Russia, Indonesia, Iran–here is more than half-of-the-world for ya. Never heard of Jews “running” Japan. If by “running” you mean “running into the ground”, sure–look at the real state of the affairs in the US. But even these startling numbers, which blow your thesis about “entire fucking world” out of the water, of no use until one begins to look competently at the results in those limited parts of the world where they actually “run” things. Just one example for you, the “leader” of those intelligent Jews who allegedly run the world, Bibi, as of lately spends a lot of time in Moscow, I wonder why? if you look at Israel’s body moves in the last 2-3 years you may notice how the thoughts of a strategic realignment are eating the minds in Jerusalem. Reading Israeli press and “analysis” one has to conclude that Jews are complete morons because it is the only conclusion one can arrive to when reviewing it. Neocon “strategies” are a complete military and geopolitical disaster. So, I presented, albeit in parts in several posts in this thread, a list of Jewish “accomplishments” which are a clear testament to the fact, that whatever they “run” often turns to a complete shit.

  158. anarchyst says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    The “takeover” of the Catholic Church was finally consummated with the conclusion of the Vatican II Ecumenical Council. This “Ecumenical Council” was co-opted by those of the “tribe” who had much greater influence in its direction than most people realize–even to this day.
    Celebrating the Mass in the vernacular was one big error, as no longer could a person go anywhere in the world and understand the meaning. This one item destroyed the “universality” of the Catholic Church. Another item was making the priest into a “actor” by having him face the congregation. This act removes the priest from being a part of the congregation and makes him into an actor, facing the “spectators”.
    Prohibition of the celebration of the old Tridentine (Latin) Mass was also an egregious error. This was done to make the Catholic Church more like its Protestant counterparts and dilute the Catholic nature of the Mass. The Vatican was forced to “backpedal” on the celebration of the Latin Mass, as conservative Catholic organizations clamored for it to be restored. It still takes permission from a Bishop to celebrate this Mass.
    The most serious error that Vatican II made was absolving the Jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion. As in modern times, Jews got the Romans to do their “dirty work” for them–not unlike Israel “wagging the (American) dog” by getting the USA to fight its wars while they, the (Jewish effendi) sit and watch.
    Thankfully, there are still old-line Catholic organizations (SSPX, among others) that keep the true spirit of the Catholic Church alive.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Chuck Orloski
  159. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Sam Shama

    You could call it cultural, but sovereigns yearning, positively thirsting for expansion on land and across the oceans are old habits. British, Spanish, Portuguese entrusting such endeavours in the hands of non-natives is hardly un-European.

    American exceptionalism is one of a kind, granted that you are correct in regards to expansion. Here is how it looked in 1837:

    All free nations are vainglorious, but national pride is not displayed by all in the same manner. The Americans in their intercourse with strangers appear impatient of the smallest censure and insatiable of praise. The most slender eulogium is acceptable to them; the most exalted seldom contents them; they unceasingly harass you to extort praise, and if you resist their entreaties they fall to praising themselves. It would seem as if, doubting their own merit, they wished to have it constantly exhibited before their eyes. Their vanity is not only greedy, but restless and jealous; it will grant nothing, whilst it demands everything, but is ready to beg and to quarrel at the same time. If I say to an American that the country he lives in is a fine one, “Ay,” he replies, “there is not its fellow in the world.” If I applaud the freedom which its inhabitants enjoy, he answers, “Freedom is a fine thing, but few nations are worthy to enjoy it.” If I remark the purity of morals which distinguishes the United States, “I can imagine,” says he, “that a stranger, who has been struck by the corruption of all other nations, is astonished at the difference.” At length I leave him to the contemplation of himself; but he returns to the charge, and does not desist till he has got me to repeat all I had just been saying. It is impossible to conceive a more troublesome or more garrulous patriotism; it wearies even those who are disposed to respect it (c).

    That was in 1837, reviewing today contemporary US “scholarship”, especially that by neocons, one can only conclude that these attitudes, described by Alexis De Tocqueville, not only dissipated but increased in amplitude dramatically. Why it is so–is the whole other matter altogether, but American exceptionalism within US so called “elites’ reached today such a crescendo that it not just borders but finally crossed the fine line which separates a simple arrogance to a full blown psychological disorder. I am extremely well acquainted with military-political facet of this disorder (less with other facets), it is also the most dangerous one which would have lead eventually, especially if HRC was elected, to a war with Russia and it would have been US, not Russia who would initiate a nuclear exchange.

  160. anarchyst says:
    @Incitatus

    It might interest you to know that with increased “security (theater)” at American airports, Dick Chertoff’s company made a killing supplying “backscatter radar” x-ray machines at American airports.
    “War is big business, and business is good”.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  161. anarchyst says:
    @mannyboy

    It is interesting to note that, when the communists took over in Russia, only Christian and Russian Orthodox church property was seized and “repurposed” as stables and for other secular uses.
    Not one jewish synagogue was touched.
    Sorta tells you something about the origins of Soviet communism and who the originators and promoters were–of the “tribe”…

  162. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Well, I’d rather not split hairs, but upon reading Smoothie’s reply channelling De Tocqueville, in #161 I find myself in considerable agreement. I think Jews today are something of a restless group which found a natural home in America’s core culture [something I wrote about while commenting on her Judeo-Christian essence]. Will it remain so forever? Assuredly not. As in all things human.

    • Replies: @iffen
  163. @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    Here’s a 2-sentence syllogism response:

    When it comes down to the basics of “matter,” even shit was a byproduct creation of a higher power.

    Therefore, & compliant with your distorted thinking, I will “defecate” on myself (while still flesh & bone) and there remains such an opportunity!

    Also, I am sincerely glad you responded for the last time.

    As you might have read my comment to “anonymous” (Keith), the part where I linked Israel’s plans for mass evacuation, operation “Safe Distance,” I want to add the following fact:

    It’s very barbaric how the Israeli Mossad did not warn everyone about the impending attacks on the W.T.C. towers on 9-11. Only the Chosen were granted a heads up, “Safe Distance.”

    Selah — dealing with you has been a sweeter cleansing than even X-lax can deliver!

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @L.K
  164. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    You’re not actually a Catholic, are you?

    Celebrating the Mass in the vernacular was one big error, as no longer could a person go anywhere in the world and understand the meaning. This one item destroyed the “universality” of the Catholic Church.

    The problem with your argument is that they’d been performing the mass in the vernacular in German-speaking lands for centuries. Also, most Catholics were never going to travel anywhere in their lives, much less to a place where the language was different. Since a large percentage of Catholics were/are illiterate and didn’t receive secondary educations (and those couldn’t understand Latin), saying the mass in vernacular only meant sense, provided you wanted the average person to know what was going on.

    Another item was making the priest into a “actor” by having him face the congregation. This act removes the priest from being a part of the congregation and makes him into an actor, facing the “spectators”.

    The priest was never part of the congregation. The priest used to face the tabernacle during the mass, so his back was to the congregation for the whole mass. The change in Vatican II made the congregation feel more intimate with the priest, which the cardinals in their wisdom had seen the Latin mass as lacking.

    Prohibition of the celebration of the old Tridentine (Latin) Mass was also an egregious error.

    It’s not prohibited. You just need episcopal approval to say it.

    This was done to make the Catholic Church more like its Protestant counterparts and dilute the Catholic nature of the Mass. The Vatican was forced to “backpedal” on the celebration of the Latin Mass, as conservative Catholic organizations clamored for it to be restored. It still takes permission from a Bishop to celebrate this Mass.

    Priests could always say the mass in Latin in multilingual areas or at the Vatican. Then question was whether they could say the Tridentine Mass, which has a different liturgy.

    The most serious error that Vatican II made was absolving the Jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion. As in modern times, Jews got the Romans to do their “dirty work” for them–not unlike Israel “wagging the (American) dog” by getting the USA to fight its wars while they, the (Jewish effendi) sit and watch.

    Your idiot rantings aside, what part of the creed of the Christian churches holds Jews responsible? Here’s the key line: “passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus” / “He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, suffered, died and was buried.” What part of that creed, to which all trinitarian churches have adhered since 381 AD, holds Jews responsible?

    Thankfully, there are still old-line Catholic organizations (SSPX, among others) that keep the true spirit of the Catholic Church alive.

    They use a different Credo?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  165. Chu says:
    @hbm

    They’re adept practitioners at sounding the alarm (with modern tools like ‘megaphone’ to alert and also skew polling results) -and it’s taken centuries to redress their trojan horse to coexist within modern civilizations.

    Their tribe’s shortcoming is that they are complete followers to their Zionist leaders. They pretend to have a vibrant debate, but they tow the line for themselves and tribal interests. They often proclaim that they are for the rights [emancipation] of the lesser masses (as Lenin often did), but they have their corrupt Israel project that is a ludicrous disgrace (& folly), even based on their own standards of ‘liberal’ values.

    How do they manage to keep so much of their capitol among their tribe? If the rabbis aren’t stealing & packaging cash into cereal boxes for the sale of human organ trafficking, they are making it with their diamond monopoly in the US. There are so many schemes they’re involved in, and they lure their coreligionists and goyim lackeys to their pursuits.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  166. @anarchyst

    “The most serious error that Vatican II made was absolving the Jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion.”

    Dear Anarchsyt,

    Thanks for joining in here with such reflective & wise words on the “takeover” of the Catholic Church. I am one here at Unz who often writes un secular comments which naturally fall dead for others, and what you have written is important to me.

    In 19th century, Fyodor Dostoyevsky warned the West that their betrayal of Jesus Christ will inevitably lead to its civilization downfall. No wonder the Russian Orthodox Church continues to prohibit a papal visit on Motherland soil? That was a huge objective for the late-Polish Pope John Paul II that never materialized.

    Finally, anarchsyst, I recall the hellfire Mel Gibson took from American Jews when he released “The Passion.” Do you happen to recall the scary scene where the tortured Christ climbed golgotha and he was tracked by a demonic presence? Even ancient “demons” understood that at both the alpha & omega point, there really is “neither Jew nor Greek…”

    Thank you very much.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  167. anarchyst says:
    @Anon

    I stand by my statements…Vatican II was co-opted by non-Catholic and Jewish interests…
    The priest, facing the tabernacle, was ALWAYS considered to be a part of the congregation…a representative. This all changed when he was turned around, and DID become an actor.
    A person could walk into any Catholic church in the world, and with a rudimentary understanding of Latin, could understand the Mass.
    The Tridentine Mass IS the old Latin Mass…nothing more. No permission should be required to celebrate it.
    The Jews said it themselves, when Pontius Pilate washed his hands, not wanting to crucify an innocent man, but fearing the jews starting a riot…”May his blood be upon us and that of our descendants”…
    SSPX and other conservative organizations do hold the true spirit of Catholicism…
    I am more Catholic than you…
    Regards

    • Replies: @Anon
  168. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Well, I’d rather not split hairs

    It’s not a hair, it is core, it is definitional.

    It is either Jews or not Jews.

    Jews enjoy the success that they do in America because we are exceptionally meritocratic. There is very little, if anything, to hold back the cognitive elite in America, something that I accepted some time back after the most kicking and screaming that I have ever done. The only way to remove American Jews from the elite is to have quotas and restrictions.

  169. anarchyst says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Please look up “Odigo”–the jewish message service that was used to warn jews of the impending destruction of the WTC.
    The notification went out to subscribers a few hours before the event…

  170. anarchyst says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    You are very welcome.
    Mel Gibson took a lot of abuse for making “The Passion of the Christ”. If the Jews in Hollywood had their way, the movie would never have seen the light of day.
    Regards,

  171. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    The priest, facing the tabernacle, was ALWAYS considered to be a part of the congregation…a representative. This all changed when he was turned around, and DID become an actor.

    You can repeat the same nonsense, but it doesn’t make it true.

    Catholicism is based in part of elevation of the clergy to a position above the congregation because of the office. That’s why he’s on an altar and the rest of us aren’t. Having him face the tabernacle was ultimately deemed to be too off-putting.

    The Tridentine Mass IS the old Latin Mass…nothing more.

    Wrong again. There is a post-1962 Latin rite and the Tridentine liturgy, which is older.

    The Jews said it themselves, when Pontius Pilate washed his hands, not wanting to crucify an innocent man, but fearing the jews starting a riot…”May his blood be upon us and that of our descendants”…

    You say you’re Catholic and you throw out the Bible in an attempt to trump dogma? Laughable.

    I am more Catholic than you…

    Who made you, “anarchyst”?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  172. anarchyst says:
    @Anon

    It is apparent that you drank the post-Vatican II “kool-aid”…I lived before and through Vatican II and saw for myself the deleterious effects it had on the Catholic Church…but not MY faith.
    Regards

    • Replies: @Anon
  173. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @iffen

    Jews enjoy the success that they do in America because we are exceptionally meritocratic.

    LOL!

  174. L.K says:
    @Miro23

    The root is probably ethnic. Mizrahi Jews are more pure race Semitic than Ashkenazis and are a more settled non-radical people

    Really? Evidence does not seem to support your notion.
    First of all, Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews make up half of Israel’s Jewish population.
    Then let’s take a look at Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, a Jew from Iraq and until his recent death in 2013, one of Israel’s most prominent and influential Jewish religious leaders. He said that non-Jews (Goyim) exist only to serve Jews. “Gentiles were born only to serve us,” “Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created.” said Rabbi Yosef during a sermon in October 2010. “Without that, they have no place in the world — only to serve the people of Israel.”
    Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews,” The Jerusalem Post (Israel), Oct. 18, 2010.
    http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782
    Rabbi calls for annihilation of Arabs http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1270038.stm
    The man had a huge following in Israel; Hundreds of Israelis on Monday bid an emotional farewell to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, 93, the former Sephardic chief rabbi of Israel.

  175. L.K says:
    @iffen

    ‘Jews enjoy the success that they do in America because we are exceptionally meritocratic.”

    Buahhahaha, good one!! This is yet another one of the Jews’ tired ole lies. At least you seem no longer to be trying to pass yourself off as just some US Goy… about time!

    • Replies: @Anon
  176. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    It’s very barbaric how the Israeli Mossad did not warn everyone about the impending attacks on the W.T.C. towers on 9-11. Only the Chosen were granted a heads up, “Safe Distance.”

    Yep… but then again, it was the Mossad that perpetrated 9-11, blamed OBL and ‘arab terrorists’, enabling the start of their fraudulent ‘war on terror’, for which they use their brain-dead zombie ZUSA.

    http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book/

    As Christopher Bollyn wrote in ‘It’s All Good: The Real Reason We Accept the Fraudulent War on Terror’ / http://www.bollyn.com/#article_15867

    After my latest speaking tour, I have decided to write a book about the fraudulent War on Terror, which is really a Zionist/Israeli war agenda in disguise.
    Why write a book about the War on Terror?
    The War on Terror has destroyed many thousands of lives as it has grossly perverted our thinking and plundered our national wealth. It has gone on now for fifteen and a half years and there is virtually no organized resistance to it. The main reason for writing this book is to help people understand the deception because we can only resist the War on Terror if we understand what it is – in reality.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  177. chris says:
    @geokat62

    Oh, I appreciate the fact that this is commonly seen that way if you’re interested in empires, but for the greater part of the US population, the part that did the dying, this was a wholly unnecessary war, which in tern begot directly, 20 years later, an even greater disaster.
    Through a campaign of lies and propaganda, our ‘good friends’ hijacked our constitution and a great many lives for their nefarious purposes. They stroked that fool Wilson’s ego exactly the way their present descendants did Bush’s. The net results then and now speak for themselves.

    I just wanted to point out that the current hijacking of our foreign policy is not new, nor is the disaster it leaves in its wake.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  178. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    If you were Catholic, you’d know how to respond to my question.

  179. Miro23 says:
    @Bill

    I’m curious why the neocons hate Trump so much. He is pro-Israel, pro-military-industrial-complex, and belligerent. He hates Iran. His married kids are married to Jews. It is the weirdest thing how much they hate him.

    In my opinion it’s just because he beat their candidate and spoiled the show.

    The script was Jeb vs. Hillary, with Jeb graciously losing after a tough fight, and the MSM congratulating everyone on American Democracy. Now that their power has been successfully challenged, they’ve turned really nasty – revealing their ZERO INTEREST in real Democracy.

  180. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @L.K

    ‘we’ the pronoun, in that sentence most likely referred to America. So he meant America is a meritocratic nation.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  181. Bill says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Maybe you’re right. We’ll see. I am a big believer in “personnel is policy,” and, thus far, Trump’s personnel decisions do not make me think he is, in fact, a nationalist. Or, at least, that he does not understand who the bad guys are from a nationalist point of view. The MIC and Wall St are definitely the bad guys, and his administration is just laden with those people.

    Of course, you could respond that it is not feasible for him, under current circumstances, to do better. And maybe that’s right.

    My current forecast for his administration is that we get The Wall and that there is a modest change in trade. Otherwise, he seems to be on track to be a conventional Republican.

  182. Z-man says:
    @Bill

    Because they don’t own him 100%! C’mon boy get with the program!! (Wink)
    For a more in depth answer I defer to SmoothieX…

    • Replies: @iffen
  183. I continue to believe that, as Trump interacts with both the Jewish American foreign policy crowd and the Israeli government, he will be brought short by their duplicity. At that point he will react as he usually does in a touch fashion. I may be wrong about this but I really don’t see the man being played for a sucker. It”s not his style for inclination. We’ll see.

  184. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    (Ron Unz, load your pages with Javascript turned off, and look at the comments sections now; they’re a mess.)

    Jewish power in the modern world is even more fragile than in times past. Before, Jews could rely on sovereigns to bribe, etc. Nowadays, Jewish power depends on public good will. If Jews lose their reputation, their store of good will in the populace, their power will evaporate. Then they’ll be one quota law away from irrelevance. Heck, even an unofficial ethnic hardening of Whites, to become more ethnic nepotist, as Jews are, would put an end to the Jewish game.

    Jewish power is as soft as it gets.

    Just look at how hysterical Jews get over this stuff. They know as well as anyone how fragile their power and position are.

  185. Svigor says:

    Ron, never mind, I guess the page only partially loaded. It was showing replies right beneath comments, and it was hard to tell which was which. Reloaded the page and it looks right again.

  186. Svigor says:

    Heh, the comment I was referring to never even showed up (I added a parenthetical to Ron Unz about Javascript, that I won’t repeat):

    Jewish power in the modern world is even more fragile than in times past. Before, Jews could rely on sovereigns to bribe, etc. Nowadays, Jewish power depends on public good will. If Jews lose their reputation, their store of good will in the populace, their power will evaporate. Then they’ll be one quota law away from irrelevance. Heck, even an unofficial ethnic hardening of Whites, to become more ethnic nepotist, as Jews are, would put an end to the Jewish game.

    Jewish power is as soft as it gets.

    Just look at how hysterical Jews get over this stuff. They know as well as anyone how fragile their power and position are.

  187. iffen says:
    @Z-man

    For a more in depth answer I defer to SmoothieX

    Excess verbiage does not equate to depth.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  188. Miro23 says:
    @iffen

    “Jews enjoy the success that they do in America because we are exceptionally meritocratic”.

    That’s good to hear, that the US is a meritocratic “level playing field”.

    The only problem is that Ethnic Patronage doesn’t work that way. The essence of Ethnic Patronage is racial preference.

    A German race activist explained how it worked in the old Austro-Hungarian Empire:

    “In the old Austria, nothing could be done without patronage. That’s partly explained by the fact that nine million Germans were in fact rulers, in virtue of an unwritten law, of fifty million non-Germans. This German ruling class took strict care that places should always be found for Germans. For them this was the only method of maintaining themselves in this privileged situation. The Balts of German origin behaved in the same way towards the Slav population.”
    Hitler’s Table Talk. Conversation Nº 109, 15th-16th January 1942.

    German Jews (German’s best friends) must have been watching closely because they then pulled the same trick on their German allies – which didn’t look like much of a level playing field in Germany then or in the US at present.

    • Replies: @iffen
  189. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    You’re correct – it’s all US weapons from now on. Previously, at the $3.2 billion/yr ‘gift’ level (If memory serves), 75% had to be sourced from the US. Not including Iron Dome, to which Congress routinely threw a few $100 million from time to time (made them look good at election time).

    The obvious question going forward is how many of these ‘American companies’ are subsidiaries of multinationals? Nationality, in the global ‘New World Order’ is very fungible. How much of Trump’s assets are foreign? How much of Bill and Hillary’s foundation?

    There are other questions as well. What kind of ‘American family’ profits from the GWOT? It was amusing to listen to Betsy DeVos Senate hearing. I’m sure she’s great, and I’ve no love for her opposition (NEA etc). Knowing she’s née Prince (Eric Prince’s sister – i.e. of Blackwater fame) makes it a somber joke, especially when you know her brother’s history. Betsy may help instill the same ‘conservative christian values’ that made her sibling millions in Iraq, before (under legal pressure) he relocated his company to the Gulf.

  190. iffen says:
    @Miro23

    Get with the current 88 program.

    This is not Germany.

    This is not 1933.

    Jews have nothing to fear but themselves.

    Nobody here but us sheep, no wolves. What is a wolf anyway?

  191. RobinG says:
    @Anon

    “So he meant America is a meritocratic nation.”
    Wasn’t that the cause of the laughter?

    Iffen says (due to “cognitive elite” status) we’d need a quota for Jews. Would that be like the one we have for Asians?

    • Replies: @iffen
  192. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Bill

    My current forecast for his administration is that we get The Wall and that there is a modest change in trade. Otherwise, he seems to be on track to be a conventional Republican.

    Possible. How probable? I don’t know. There are geopolitical imperatives for US who, what a novel idea, does have a number of legitimate national interests, some of which are extraterritorial. United States is still a very powerful and economically developed nation. Once one reviews, even if briefly, a set of actual US interests, including balancing of China (I underscore–balancing, not provoking) in several, especially economic, fields one will see that…. Well, let’s put it this way: starting to talk to Russia might be a good initial move. What number of Russian observers noted very recently (the latest as late as couple of days ago)–a considerable drop in US pressure on Russia, first time in three-four years. Tillerson, who is presiding over gutting of the State Department (a long overdue measure) it seems is going to Moscow. For now Moscow neither denies nor confirms the visit, albeit points out that US government leaks a whole lot of confidential information. Tillerson will be setting, most likely, a future meeting between Trump and Putin. Now, and that is not my idea (or conclusion), I just agree with it, most likely both leaders for now will have this only one chance to set new rules (and new rules are coming one way or another) for, first and foremost, some kind of deescalation. Considering how Trump “transfers” very many foreign policy decisions away from State Department (a neocon cabal) to the White House, such an arrangement seems possible and even moderately probable. This alone, should it come to pass, will be a great achievement in itself. But I wrote on a number of occasions that this is the maximum I expect from Trump in foreign policy–averting the war with Russia, once this is done, the rest could be bargained for later. It seems that Trump is committed to this part seriously and I didn’t see real signs yet of him thinking otherwise–change in the tone of rhetoric so far is secondary.

  193. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    but I strenuously object to notions, e.g., that Jews are ethnically biased

    Oh my – how typical – when confronted with a truth about Jews – they just lie lie lie!

    It is unquestionable but that the Jew are the most ethnically biased people on the planet – so our Euro-half-Jew hasbara lemming just puts out a big fat lie – how predictable.

    Add it to the others. The god of the universe favors Jews – the Romans murdered Jesus – the six million lie – the IDF is the most moral army on the planet.

    The Jews live on a series of lies.

    Peace — Art

  194. Incitatus says:
    @anarchyst

    Chertoff? Didn’t he profit from nonfunctional screening machines?

    He had many rivals in the bogus expertise feeding frenzy after 9/11/01. Remember Rudy Guiliani? He knew a good (bad) thing when he saw it. Wonder how much he charged/charges. Same thing with Woolsey. And how about all those retired flag officer/media stars that weighed in on getting rid of Saddam 2002-03?

    Amazing we have more flag officers (admirals, generals) than in WW2 when 12+ million were under arms. Each now has a good pension, but that’s not enough. Most get speaking gigs or serve on defense boards on retirement. Little surprise Trump enlisted them in his administration – so many are available!

    • Replies: @iffen
  195. @L.K

    Hey L.K.,

    You may know that Christopher Bollyn goes on tour and addresses the public?

    Now here we have a gentleman who got beaten when he first started doing research to write “Solving 9-11″ and somehow avoided getting murdered for his having told the truth.

    Earlier this year, Mr. Bollyn spoke to a Nation of Islam audience and discussed his 9-11 findings. I have no clue as to how many people attended his very important address, but its very tragic how Donald Trump’s POTUS campaign “packed ‘em in” at large arenas across the USA, & supporters cheered when he claimed to have witnessed thousands of Muslims celebrate the three (3) fallen Towers.

    What we now must endure is the U.S.-Zionist War of Terror-phase, which is expertly designed to cause “blackouts” & short circuiting of the American mind.

    For example, the past week, Americans who regularly tune in to The Corporate Media, were flummoxed by the foolish concepts of Russian influence upon the ’16 election, the Obama administration’s having either wire tapped or not having wire tapped the Trump tower, and Secretary Tillerson stiff warning to N. Korea that “talk is over!”

    While American minds were under the control of the Group Think puppeteer, Saudi King Salman reviewed an honor guard (in Beijing) with Chinese President Xi Jinping. As the Trump administration was insisting that the Chines communist reign in Kim Il Jong… King Salman and Xi Jinping were setting the stage for increasing Saudi Arabia’s supply of crude oil to China and the Far East!

    W.T.F. is going on here, L.K.?

    ANSWER: Welcome to the latest phase of The New World Order! Americans are so bogged down by new deceptions produced daily from “On High,” and only pockets of citizens have the necessary energy & heart to enlist in Christopher Bollyn’s vital resistance.

    Unfortunately for now, all citizen eyes are gorilla-glued on today’s London terror strike and fatalities. Quite naturally, the prevailing American zeitgeist takes a CONTROLLED-shift toward safety & security, and concludes, “Oh well, maybe the Israelis were right that, and regardless of who really did 9-11, we must kill the Radical Islamic terrorists before they strike here!”

    In the words of B. Netanyahu, “9-11 was good for Israel.” Welcome to the New World Order!

    I regret being so prolix, and thank you.

    Post scriptum: Did you see where Sam The Sham has put me on his “shit” list. ha-ha. That’s OK… he thinks his shit is ice cream!

  196. iffen says:
    @Anonymous

    even an unofficial ethnic hardening of Whites

    Not all WNs consider Jews as non-white.

    We all depend on public goodwill these days. The kang is dead.

    You will play hell restricting and imposing quotas on Jews in the US.

  197. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    we have more flag officers (admirals, generals) than in WW2 when 12+ million were under arms.

    Grade inflation. It’s also in the education industry.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  198. chris says:
    @Bill

    Though I find Phil’s and the commentators to your question to be right, I cannot discount the more strategic angle to their actions. Like everyone else in the world, the neocons, who have a particular knack for getting things wrong, were banking on Hillary making mincemeat out of Trump in the election. As such, during the campaign they had begun to engratiating themselves to their new host.

    Of course, the fact that Trump won under the banner that Bush lied us into war, is particularly scary for them, as it threatens to unravel the entire criminal activities they are specialized in.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  199. Art says:
    @iffen

    The only way to remove American Jews from the elite is to have quotas and restrictions.

    (The Jew always think force and law – it is their immoral way. There are alternatives.)

    To ostracize is moral – it involves no coercion – it is gentle – it is rational – it is voluntary – it is the good way to divested society of undesirable activities.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @iffen
  200. @Anonymous

    You’re saying democratic governments can’t be bribed or otherwise influenced outside the formal electoral process?

  201. anon • Disclaimer says:

    .1 riticism of Israel particularly by Black and/or Muslim Britons is labeled as a form of bigotry often accompanied by demands that the ‘perpetrator’ be driven from public life. The most recent victims have been women of colour. Naz Shah, a Labour MP of Pakistani origin, has been headlined as anti-semitic after a two-year-old Facebook post of hers was found, which fancifully expressed a desire for Israel to be relocated to the US.

    2 Guardian/Observer universe, peace activism of the ‘Stop the War’ movement type has been pejoratively labeled as ‘disreputable.’ http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/06/jeremy-corbyn-urged-to-pull-out-of-stop-the-war-christmas-fundraiser

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/22/mccarthyite-anti-semitism-smears-and-racism-at-the-guardianobserver/#_ftn3

    In US New York legislator has gone as far as claiming that the Gazan deserve to die for voting the Hamas

    The depth of moral corruption and the each of the moral corruptions are unbelievable .But at some level Guardian or labor Party or new York base lawmakers hate the situation They hate being reduced to this pitiable impotence .

  202. iffen says:
    @Art

    it involves no coercion – it is gentle

    Aah, Arts, that is so precious, you be so, so, stoopid.

    • Replies: @Art
  203. Incitatus says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “pre-exisiting condition” of many in US WASP “elites” longing for being exceptional.”

    I ‘d substitute “longing for profits“ for “longing for being exceptional.” And not just for WASPs, but for a non-denominational mix of connected opportunists. How not? Where money is to be had, all will attend.

    Visitors to Hartford, Connecticut can now tour a factory complex founded by Samuel Colt recently enshrined as a national park. Colt was a brilliant man. His weapons helped win the Civil War for the Union, and made Hartford the wealthiest city in the US ±1870.

    John Larson, the local US Representative was instrumental in making the Colt complex (factory, worker housing, churches) a taxpayer funded park. He’s also ‘co-chair’ of the ‘F-35 Congressional Caucus’ – a prime parent of the most expensive – and most dysfunctional -weapon in human history. Nice going, John!

    Neocons are, if nothing else, smart and connected. No doubt they have bills to pay, children to feed and educate, retirements to fund – just like everyone else. That they do it by inciting war is despicable/criminal. Who enables them?

    Those who fund long-serving (non-neocon) Rep. John Larson? Dick Cheney (how much did he make from Iraq)? Daughter Liz – a real piece of work – is now in Congress representing all those Wyoming cattle. Which -believe it or not – takes a great deal of money.

    Money? It’s nothing. And everything. For “elites” it’s how they keep score vis-à-vis their piers. Doesn’t matter where the money comes from as long as nobody gets caught.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  204. geokat62 says:
    @chris

    I just wanted to point out that the current hijacking of our foreign policy is not new, nor is the disaster it leaves in its wake.

    While it may not be new, I was merely pointing out that no other lobby has adversely influenced US foreign policy to the degree the Israel Lobby has:

    No lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical” – Mearsheimer and Walt

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy

    • Replies: @chris
  205. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Grade Inflation. It’s also in the education industry.”

    Especially in the education industry! Loved the survey that determined most college seniors were certain we fought France in the Revolution. I’m sure Betsy will set them right. Probably while signing them up as connon fodder to pay off their debts.

    • Replies: @iffen
  206. annamaria says:
    @chris

    “…the entire criminal activities they are specialized in.” Indeed.

    “Secret World of US Election: Julian Assange talks to John Pilger” (FULL INTERVIEW)

    Julian Assange: “The Clinton camp has been able to project that kind of neo-McCarthy hysteria: that Russia is responsible for everything. Hilary Clinton stated multiple times, falsely, that seventeen U.S. intelligence agencies had assessed that Russia was the source of our publications. That is false; we can say that the Russian government is not the source. WikiLeaks has been publishing for ten years, and in those ten years, we have published ten million documents, several thousand individual publications, several thousand different sources, and we have never got it wrong.”
    John Pilger: “The emails that give evidence of access for money and how Hillary Clinton herself benefited from this and how she is benefitting politically, are quite extraordinary. I’m thinking of when the Qatari representative was given five minutes with Bill Clinton for a million dollar cheque.”
    Julian Assange: “And twelve million dollars from Morocco …”

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-secrets-of-the-us-election-julian-assange-talks-to-john-pilger

    The unraveling made the “progressives” really nervous, hence the implementation of a stunning policy of sequestration of all alternative media by Harvard University: http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-scholarship-and-the-future-of-americas-university/5580252?print=1
    And here is a supreme authority for Harvard library – an ignorant, loony, and belligerent tool of pink-pussy variety: http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/meet-leftist-prof-who-wrote-hit-list-of-fake-news-sites/

  207. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    Would that be like the one we have for Asians?

    At one time there was one for the Jews like the one that we have now for Asians in many of the elite educational institutions.

    Apparently there is no Asian quota in all the institutions, for example, Caltech.

  208. Art says:
    @iffen

    Aah, Arts, that is so precious, you be so, so, stoopid.

    Say iffen,

    Oh my – more nonsensical yada – that is pathetic – you need to step it Little Jew!

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Where is you WWA tag team pal – Shama – is he giving up – you guys have not defeated one single 88 in a year.

  209. geokat62 says:
    @Bill

    I’m curious why the neocons hate Trump so much.

    I think this Guardian headline says it all:

    Donald Trump: ‘We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/07/donald-trump-we-will-stop-racing-to-topple-foreign-regimes

    This is anathema to the neocons, who still have some unfinished business left – i.e., executing their phony GWOT, a front operation for regime changing 7 Muslim in 5 years (as General Wesley Clark disclosed a few years back), all in an effort to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle at US taxpayer expense ($6 trillion and counting).

    While they have successfully regime changed Iraq and Libya, they still have Syria, Iran, and Lebanon/Hezbollah (the Shia Arc) in their crosshairs. And to dismantle the Shia Arc, they have to regime change the granddaddy of them all, their sponsor, the Russian bear.

    That’s why the neocons are so fond of regime change… er, I mean, democracy promotion, and that’s why they so hate DT.

  210. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    I’m sure Betsy will set them right.

    Absolutely, Betsy Ross was a true patriot. Wait, not would, will, you mean Betsy D.

    I wanted to ask you about this. The fact that there are plenty of non-Jewish warmongers and war profiteers is not really the point. The question at hand, the one raised by these 88s, is whether the Jews have mind and body snatched American foreign policy for the benefit of Israel and Jews. War is good for profits in the warmonger industry, but are we getting incremental increases by Jewish manipulation?

  211. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Parasites need a host and sometimes more than one hosts . Zionist confuse the issue by thinking that the hosts and parasites are same and have some purpose.
    Also in any mafia there are core groups who use ,hire , or simply promote some new arrivals for the crumbs
    “House Negro” is the apt description to define these parasites and the hangers-on .

  212. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Keith Says:

    “The only way to remove American Jews from the elite is to have quotas and restrictions”.

    The problem today in America, and throughout history, is that the Jewish elites always create their own country inside the host nation. They then organize relentlessly as a coheasive ethnic nation, and over time they gain enormous power until the guest nation dominates the host nation.

    Jew York city is not a ordinary American City. It is a Jewish nation.

    Eventually the Jewish guest nation’s interests become in conflict with the host’s
    nation’s interests.

    This conflict between the Jewish nation’s interests in American, and the non Jew host nation’s interests, has reached a breaking point. The Unz comments in this anti Jewish NeoCon blog supports my analysis and conclusion on why anti Semitism is on the rise.

    This is why Jews have been expelled from over 100 countries 100+ times.

    The solution was suppose to be a Jewish homeland.,

    Surprise, Surprise… most Jews never wanted, and don’t want to go to Israel.

    Today more Jews are immigrating to that evil country ( Germany) than Israel.

    Remember, if they do go, they may have to fight and die for Israel. Of course Jews would rather use their influence to get Americans and other nations to fight and die for them. Just like they did in WW1 and WW2.

    This is the cause of anti Semitism. The Jews want everyone to believe the hatred of Jews is for religious reasons. This is their big lie. It is just about different interests, power and politics… period.

    This Jewish Gentile conflict has been going on for centuries. The German Jew conflict is the most recent and the most Jewish propagandized event in history, and for this reason I decided not to use it as an example to support my position.

    The Spanish Inquisition fully explains what happen in Spain when the Jewish Gentile conflict reached a breaking point.

    To give everyone a hint….The conflict wasn’t remedied by imposing quotas and restrictions on Jewish meritocracy.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n1p-2_chalmers.html

    Iffen…. Before you make a joke about the serious situation and again expose your repugnant Jewish supremacist ideology on Unz, I highly recommend you heed the warning you will get from the Spanish Inquision.

    Iffen….How do you think the conflict will be settled?

  213. Seraphim says:
    @Sam Shama

    WE are the best because we are Jews!

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Sam Shama
  214. […] Phillip Giraldi — The Unz Review March 21, 2017 […]

  215. Seraphim says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    @a lot to do with American general insulation from the world at large

    Right, the overblown (by chutzpah farts) ‘power’ of Jewry would be of little traction without the ‘useful idiots’ whose powers of discernment and judgement have been seriously hampered by a too long exposure to (and inhalation of) the named emanations. And the ‘useful idiots’ are everywhere.

  216. wayfarer says:

    Only a sustained campaign of precision surgical strikes from the top-down, will defeat this self-serving global oligarchy.

    http://www.beyondthemediamatrix.net/

    Until then, humanity’s history of barbaric blunt-force combat, designed to sacrifice untold generations of red-blooded rank-and-file in order to only enrich small family lines of blue-blooded aristocracy, will simply continue to be the for-profit business of cruel warfare, as usual.

    Death by a thousand intelligent cuts, is the global oligarchy’s worst nightmare.

  217. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    The question at hand, the one raised by these 88s, is whether the Jews have mind and body snatched American foreign policy for the benefit of Israel and Jews. War is good for profits in the warmonger industry, but are we getting incremental increases by Jewish manipulation?

    Simple way to test your hypothesis. While no one is disputing that war is good for profits, the big giveaway is where these recent wars are predominantly taking place. Not in Asia, not it Europe, not in the Americas, nor in SS Africa. Nope, they are all occurring in MENA. But only certain countries within MENA. Not Egypt, not Jordon, and not Turkey.

    I wonder what Iraq, Libya, and Syria (in the past and present) and Iran and Hezbollah (in the future) have in common, besides being good for profits that is?

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Incitatus
  218. Seraphim says:
    @Bill

    That’s a bit confusing. Is it about Trump’s ‘personal’ decisions (that is his own) or his ‘personnel’ (the people who are employed in a company, organization, or one of the armed forces; the department of a company or organization that deals with its employees when they first join, when they need training, or when they have any problems) decisions (which perforce are not his own)?

    • Replies: @Bill
  219. Art says:
    @Seraphim

    WE are the best because we are Jews!

    You Jew are the best at the dark arts – no question.

    You Jews know how to manipulate the weak offspring of the elite in a country. You are masters at worming yourselves into the lives of the sons and daughters of the elite. You play to their weaknesses and then shake them down. Esther is you model.

    Eventually something like the Spanish Inquisition happens (over 100 times) and the Big Jew take off with the gold and the Little Jews get screwed!

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Do you Little Jews really think something different is going to happen this time?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  220. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    but I strenuously object to notions, e.g., that Jews are ethnically biased. No; they are biased towards achieving the best outcome for a given problem.

    Ok, Sam, I’ll bite. What given problem were the neocons seeking a best outcome for when they pushed the Bush regime to invade Iraq?

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Sam Shama
  221. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Incitatus

    Money? It’s nothing. And everything.

    Following your logic: Money-It’s A Crime (c) Yes, I love The Dark Side Of The Moon and I have a huge experience with economic determinism of homo economicus since studied Marxism-Leninism (in many of its iterations, including political economy) in several courses not all of which were a waste of time. The world is much more than just a set of business transactions, however important for understanding the larger picture. Faith, nation (not in American “understanding”), history, cultures matter no less. Sometimes more. Jews do have a historic trauma of Holocaust (my issue with it are some numbers, not the fact of it) and it was easy to “sell” it in US (I already described reasons), and selling they did, the rest followed. They needed the vehicle for furthering Israel’s and diaspora’s interests (and security)–they’ve got it. It is the United States of America. The whole neocon thing could have happened only in US, nowhere else. This, has very little to do with money (it came down to it later) but a lot with the mindset of US “elites” in the immediate wake of WW II and very many wrong reasons which were derived from it. For those who are not acquainted with the cultures of Maghreb, Levant, Caucasus and Middle Asia the concept of “sweet tongue” is very often an abstract thing, for people from those areas–it is a n integral part of their psyche, it is their cultural code. I have to, however, admit- US learned the lesson of BSing extremely well. Sadly, often not for own sake. In the end, it was none other than Reagan who gave them the full influence and power they craved.

    Neocons are, if nothing else, smart and connected.

    Connected and smart are not necessarily related. I, so far, observing geopolitical state of affairs (I am repeating myself), see no evidence of neocons being smart–smart people do not make a huge mess which they created in the ME and helped create it in US. Perhaps you wanted to say cunning, conniving? Yes, they have that but making Iran, which they proclaim to be the evil reincarnate, on the order of magnitude more powerful than it was prior to 2003, not to mention pushing her into Russia’s, however restrained, embrace–if you call this being “smart”, then I am an alien from planet Zoltar. And this is just one of many examples of their “smarts”. US, courtesy of neocons, is fvcked in terms of having Russia as an ally in balancing out China. Russian-American relations are destroyed almost entirely and it will take some real effort on US part (for now–improbable) to do some repairing, in the future, if ever.

    “It is legitimate to judge event for its outcome for it is the soundest criterion”(c) Clausewitz. Outcomes are all around us, easy to observe and make conclusions. Wait for bigger things to be revealed in the nearest future.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @iffen
  222. Seraphim says:
    @Art

    Wasn’t clear that it was a tongue in cheek reply to the shameless boast of Sam Shama? Otherwise, you are right.

  223. Svigor says:

    but I strenuously object to notions, e.g., that Jews are ethnically biased

    Don’t strain too hard, you can blow a blood vessel. Never mind yer lyin’ eyes, goyim! Reality paints a different picture. Yes, we know you’ll never acknowledge it. No, we don’t care.

    Not all WNs consider Jews as non-white.

    We all depend on public goodwill these days. The kang is dead.

    You will play hell restricting and imposing quotas on Jews in the US.

    Well, if Jews continue on their current course, I suppose we’ll find out.

    If you think Americans would never buy into a quota system, you’re dreaming. They’ve already bought in, via “Affirmative Action.” All I’m referring to is a re-jiggering, perhaps a broadening, of something already in place.

    History bears out what I’m saying. If you prefer to ignore that, more power to you. Don’t say you weren’t warned. It won’t be the Rothschilds paying the piper.

    P.S., it doesn’t matter whether anyone considers Jews non-White, that’s immaterial. What matters is whether Americans would be willing to consider finer distinctions than just the broad categories that are currently popular. There’s no real reason they wouldn’t. All the pieces are already in place; many of them put there by Jews.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Sam Shama
  224. Svigor says:

    P.P.S., it won’t be forwarded as discrimination against Jews. And no one will give a shit when Jews call it “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!”, any more than Jews give a shit that “Affirmative Action” (inter alia) discriminates against Whites. It will be forwarded as “every group getting their fair share.” And why shouldn’t White Protestants (and everyone else) be proportionally represented on the Supreme Court, and everywhere else?

  225. Svigor says:

    This issue is pretty good evidence that Jews’ reasons for much of their racial leftism are bullshit. E.g., “we remember what the Nazis did, so of course we are on a constant witch-hunt for ‘ANTI-SEMITISM!!!’, never mind that America saved us from Hitler.” Jews know they’re playing with fire with “Affirmative Action.” If they had any principles, they’d have opposed it. They just calculate that they can keep the fire from spreading.

  226. Svigor says:

    Your idiot rantings aside, what part of the creed of the Christian churches holds Jews responsible? Here’s the key line: “passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus” / “He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, suffered, died and was buried.” What part of that creed, to which all trinitarian churches have adhered since 381 AD, holds Jews responsible?

    I love it when Jews argue Christian theology, like they give a shit, except to exculpate Jews.

    “Give us Barabas!”

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  227. Blake says:
    @geokat62

    Very well said. I will only say its hardly a power. Its an illegitimate entity dependent on American aid (military/financial/veto).

  228. Svigor says:

    Also, I should add how amusing it is to hear Jews insist that Americans would never discriminate against Jews.

    Go tell your tribe.

  229. joef says:

    It is bigger than just the neocons. Its about how the political situation in this nation has triangulated into the corporatist Republicans, the statist Democrats, and Trump populist. What the MSM, academia, and careerist politicians do not realize that after all the negative press against him, with both parties trying to discredit him, and Trump himself constantly making verbal gaffes, he won anyway.

    And yet the politicians & MSM do not realize this is the result of a large amount of dissatisfaction with the middle/working class employment situation. That even with all the MSM/political opposition against Trump, that the voters still voted for him.

    Further more, the statist and corporatist political masters are now borrowing from the neocon propaganda with promoting war. What best to distract us from our current domestic problems of crime, debt, unemployment, underemployment, and reverse discrimination than to march us off to war.

    They can ignore the populist desperation in voting for Trump, but eventually a large unemployment problem leads to a destabilizing effect upon society. Marx himself recognized that a communist army is built from the dissatisfaction of the unemployed (and the corporatist are playing right into that agenda). The resultant civil unrest, along with irresponsible leftist inspired African American hatred of whites, and unpayable debt burdens, has the potential to destabilize regions/cities of this nation into a failed state like status.
    Only useful idiots will put their faith into contemporary politicians.

  230. Seraphim says:
    @Svigor

    @Don’t strain too hard, you can blow a blood vessel

    Or you can shit your pants.

  231. Not exaggerating to spell Israel because terrorist is who terrorize someone else till died, robbed et cetera, except you use twin standard.

    People who standing for Israelis are Israelis in form of its soul. Like the neocons.

    But okay, life is choices and risks. And time limit, exactly for everyone. We believe in God and you laugh and you always have choices and risks. We can’t drag the time which always in favor to us and them. No Dear. The clock is ticking.

  232. Eckbach says:
    @Wally

    The “Children of Israel” has nothing to do with being Jewish.

  233. Seraphim says:
    @Svigor

    @Give us Barabbas

    …22“What then should I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify Him!” 23“Why? asked Pilate. “What has He done” wrong? But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!” 24When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You shall bear the responsibility.”25All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” (Matthew 27:22-25).
    There was no need for the Creed to hold Jews responsible. It was more lenient than the Jews themselves. They hold themselves responsible. They even boasted about as the Quran tells us:
    “And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain”. (Surah 4, 156). Muslims jumping to the defense of the Jews!

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  234. @geokat62

    “OK, Sam, I’ll bite.”

    George,

    It’s your choice of course, but Sam the Sham has lots of experience in dancing away from well pointed questions, and when he’s (once again) “against the ropes,” it’s best to not just “bite.”

    Why not go for the “knockout” punch and ask him to explain the Neoconservatives’ pre-planning for the late-2001 attack on Afghanistan.

    Here in Scranton, there is an intelligent fellow who came from India and now operates a Scranton-based “Smoke Shop.” One day we spoke about 9-11 & the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan purportedly to get O.B.L.

    Before leaving with a pack of Marlboro, the fellow shared with me how his Indian government was aware about U.S. plans to take down the Taliban in the Spring of 2001. I drove home thinking how few Americans knew about such pre-planned Neoconservative scheme.

    Off to work! Cheers.

    Thanks.

  235. anarchyst says:
    @Seraphim

    After considerable investigation, one could safely argue that Islam is an “Arabicized” form of Judaism.
    Let’s compare the Jewish Talmud with the Islamic Qur’an…
    Both the Talmud and the Qur’an profess almost identical promotion of supremacy of each respective “system”.
    The Talmud professes that Jews are superior to “goyim”, (jewish supremacy) and that “goyim” are subhuman and are considered to be “livestock”, albeit, with souls, to be taken advantage of by the Jews, with official sanction.
    Punishments for “goyim” who transgress against Jews are much more severe than punishments for Jews who transgress against “goyim” (if even any punishment is proscribed).
    The Qur’an also professes the supremacy of the muslim, (Islamic supremacy) relegating non-believers to third-class status, (if allowed to live) are required to pay the “jizya” (special taxes levied on all non-muslims), as well as the inability to testify against a muslim.
    One divergence between the two systems is the treatment of Jesus Christ, and his mother Mary.
    The Jewish Talmud states that Jesus Christ is boiling in excrement for eternity, while his mother Mary was a harlot who conceived Jesus, consorting with a Roman soldier. The hatred that Jews have for Jesus Christ, and by inference Christianity is immense. Christian Zionists and their supporters would do well to understand that they are being used for political purposes.
    The Qur’an holds Jesus Christ in high regard, considering him to be a prophet, not the “Son of God”, but a respected prophet, nonetheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur’an and given a place of high honor.
    A loosely held secret is the way Christians are treated in Israel, many times being spat on by Jews…just because they can…
    Now, which belief system has a greater respect for Christianity?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Seraphim
    , @dcite
  236. @iffen

    So the United States worker pays a portion of his taxes to an alien nation who in turn uses that money to buy the products created by that selfsame worker.

    The government buys a trillion dollars worth of military stuff paid for by taxes extracted from the workers who make that stuff and by borrowing. The Fed loans some of that money to the government and in doing so creates billions of dollars. As the Nazi economists realized, printing money won’t be inflationary if it is spent upon some infrastructure that produces a net gain in productive efficiency. But if it is not, then the money must be foisted off upon some other, someone outside the system. The easiest prey is weak nations in need of credit with which they can buy needed raw materials or finished manufactured goods which they cannot produce internally. The surplus dollars created in the first step are then recycled back into the system through foreign trade. So, either foreign nations must be “enlisted” in the scheme or they must be coerced. They can be softly “loaned” the money or given the hard path of being forced to join a Delian League or equivalent in which they are required to pay tribute and subsidize the powerful leading nation.

    A question. Were the nations dominated by the Third Reich required to adopt the German Mark as their currency–at least when used for trade within the Reich? How about those composing the “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere” dominated by Japan?

    The Question Looms. Once a nation embarks upon a policy of stimulating its economy by spending money it doesn’t have on military stuff, then does that inevitably lead to the drive for imperialistic hegemony? After all, the only way military stuff can improve “productivity” is if it is used to expand demand for the dollars used to create it.

    If this is true, then our Fearless Leaders aren’t really in control of the machine they have created. They tend it, or mind it but this introduces uncertainty because they are required to meddle in the affairs of other sovereign nations. This would account for why they’re always behind the curve, always seem to be blindsided by events; why they, in short, always seem so incompetent.

  237. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    The comparison for the Talmud is not the Qur’an; it is the Hadith. Both are the written codifications of oral traditions. In contrast, the proper comparison for the Qur’an is the Torah, i.e., the written code of law.

    You know even less about Islam than you do about Catholicism.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  238. annamaria says:

    Anything to prolong the Syrian slaughter.
    Killing babies for promotional video for the so-called “White helmets:” http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/03/white-helmets-oscar-is-farce-maria.html
    “An examination of a White Helmets video, conducted by Swedish medical doctors, specialists in various fields, including paediatrics, have revealed that the life-saving procedures seen in the film are incorrect – in fact life-threatening – or simply fake, including simulated emergency resuscitation techniques being used on already lifeless children.” http://theindicter.com/swedish-doctors-for-human-rights-white-helmets-video-macabre-manipulation-of-dead-children-and-staged-chemical-weapons-attack-to-justify-a-no-fly-zone-in-syria/
    The Netlfix-produced faux “documentary” about the criminal (and state-supported) White Helmets had won this-year “progressive” Oscar.
    Netflix “deciders” in lockstep with neocons: https://ir.netflix.com/management.cfm; https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/netflix/advisors
    What a spectacular infamy!

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  239. anarchyst says:
    @Anon

    You are incorrect…hasbara…
    The reason the Talmud and Qur’an are comparable is that BOTH are a “set of rules” for each respective belief system.
    The major difference in the Qur’an is that the later passages take precedence over the earlier passages.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  240. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    All four sources are sets of rules.

  241. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "smoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @annamaria

    What a spectacular infamy!

    The distinction between good and evil has been lost quite some time ago.

  242. Sam Shama says:
    @Seraphim

    Those are your words, not mine. I never claimed supremacy of any sort. Personal observations based on experience in business and academics. If there is one thing Jews won’t tolerate, it is nonfulfillment on account of stupid nepotistic practices. If that were rampant, failure would be guaranteed.

    What precisely are your views on the subject? Are they based on anything rational?

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @L.K
  243. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I was speaking of Jews, not neocons the political group, of which some were Jews, many weren’t, as Incitatus pointed out earlier. Most Jews are not neocons.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  244. Sam Shama says:
    @Svigor

    Don’t strain too hard, you can blow a blood vessel. Never mind yer lyin’ eyes, goyim! Reality paints a different picture. Yes, we know you’ll never acknowledge it. No, we don’t care.

    Well no, I won’t, the figure of speech aside, I happen to be in excellent shape and it’d take more than some philosophers on the internet to drive me to a hypertensive episode. You sound as if you were personally harmed in some way, were you? I don’t understand. You see Jews at the helm of certain industries, I see Anglo-protestants excel and lead many others. I see Indians and Chinese heading many of our top corporations. So? Is it your contention that anyone at the top is a product of unearned success?

  245. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I was speaking of Jews, not neocons the political group, of which some were Jews, many weren’t….

    It appears we have a fundamental disagreement on this point. I tend to agree with Phil’s assessment:

    I recognize that relatively few American Jews are neocons…, but the reality is that nearly all neocons are Jewish.

    The good news is that this issue should be easily confirmed by appealing to the facts.

    We could both draw up a list of the leading neocons and indicate which are non-Jews to determine who is closer to the truth.

    Look forward to your list, Sam.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @annamaria
  246. @Sam Shama

    “If there is one thing Jews won’t tolerate, it is nonfulfillment on account of stupid nepotistic practices.”

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    You better move to a different “front” quickly here at The Unz Review!

    (Gasp)

    Crooked & obnoxious Jew-Brits (like you) have received quite a free speech beating at the hands of Joyce’s terrific article, “Jewish activism and the trial of Jez Turner.”

    They long to get Jez back in court! And I know if there’s one thing an arrogant Jew (like you) won’t tolerate is failure to support overseas “Supremacist” action that could result in Mr. Turner’s confinement in a “Thought Crime” prison.

    Tally ho… selah!

  247. @anarchyst

    There is little doubt that Christianity has more in common with Islam than with Judaism. The notion of “Judeo-Christian values” is a farce.

  248. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I don’t know for what reason, but Jews do tend to feature disproportionately in positions of some impact. Do you know why? Look forward to your answer.

    Still, while we are we are both aware of the Jewish names on the list, what say you about the ones at the very top? George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell. What about the luminaries from the past? Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Daniel P. Moynihan? You could go further back in history and understand that “neocon” is simply the neo-coinage of a theme [look at Smoothie's earlier comment] which ran deep in America’s psyche: from Manifest Destiny to expand across the continent and claims of primacy to supremacy. How many Presidents, their cabinets, advisers can you eliminate as non-subscribers to those ideas? You can count them and it would not require both hands! Andrew Jackson the first neocon?

    Journalist John L. O’Sullivan, an influential advocate for Jacksonian democracy and a complex character [was ] described by Julian Hawthorne as “always full of grand and world-embracing schemes” [Wiki]

    Lastly, it takes more than the top leaders to make a successful go of any doctrine. So, why not take a short trip back and look at the G.W. Bush administration nominees? Not many of them against the Neocon doctrine, surely, for obvious reasons?

    https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/nominations/

    In the A-B bracket, of which there were roughly 200, I found only 1 or 3 Jewish names.

    Can you help?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @geokat62
  249. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    There is little doubt that Christianity has more in common with Islam than with Judaism. The notion of “Judeo-Christian values” is a farce.

    Christianity has nothing in common with Islam, bar some superficial references to Jesus as secondary prophet in Islam. For starters, in Islam–Quran is UNcreated and this simple fact explains a lot what is happening with Islam today. Christianity is a completely different thing altogether. In terms of militancy, hatred towards “the other”, huge political element, Judaism and Islam are much closer to each-other than each of them to Christianity.

  250. annamaria says:
    @geokat62

    “…but the reality is that nearly all neocons are Jewish.”
    It still did not down on the neocons that the ongoing tragedy in Ukraine – the massive deaths of civilians, including many children, among the heavily Russian population of eastern Ukraine – has been tightly glued to the image of the “exceptional” nation for Russians. They are not going to forgive. Moreover, there is little chance that the Goebbelsian propaganda, emanating from the shadowy quarters of the CIA and the barely functional US government, is going to affect the East Europeans, except for the most corrupt segment of the power-crazy psychopaths. The Russians have been totally inoculated against any ideological and other “gifts” from the US. That the Bolshevik revolution (with its horrendous consequences for Russian civilization) was led to a large extent by the Jews is finally coming to bright light. Some interesting arches of history.

  251. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    My god – this hasbara boy says that the Manifest Destiny of two centuries ago, was the same as the neocons of today. What crap. The Jew will disparage anything to gain his evil agenda.

    The manifest destiny of the 1800’s was a far different time with a different set of morals and rules from today.

    The neocons (Jew or otherwise) of today want to conquer land on another continent half way around the world for a country of people that do not have modern morals.

    Peace — Art

  252. Geokat62,

    I see how Sam the Sham’s washed up (Hasbara) deception has dipped into the “georgewbush White House” archives.

    I am alarmed that he has made a cunning appeal, “Can you help?” Brr… shall we summon an exorcist?

    Nope — just stand down!

    Instead, please try & Google-search for Jez Turner’s street-protest speech on how painful it is to watch how Jews have taken control of England? I suggest we ought to jump to Joyce’s important article on Unz Review, “Jewish Activism and The Trial of Jez Turner,” and help both Joyce & Turner. In contrast, Sam the Sham “gets off” by influencing decent commenters to run in circles.

    F.Y.I., On a quarterly basis, at no charge, I receive Kathy Kelly’s mailing, “Voices for Creative NONVIOLENCE.” Directly below my address is a timely Martin Luther King quote from April 4, 1967:

    “The calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak.”

    George — M.L.K. was dead right! As Zionists make haste to silence & punish “antisemitic” speech in England, I feel it won’t be long before it happens in the U.S. and Canada. In fact, incrementally, it is begun.

    Yes, “Speaking” in order to expose political lies does tend to become a spiritual “vocation of agony.” (Christians might recall how John the Baptist spoke to Herod and Jesus to the Sanhedrin?) Thus my point is that, no doubt, it’s good to speak out and expose Sam the Sham’s deceptions. (Sigh) Most the time, I sense he has not even read the articles he makes comments on!

    Lastly, it’s good to “stand down” when phony uptown tarts ask, “Can you help?” George — time is short and your very honorable “words” here should never go to ash inside Sam The Sham’s (Zionist-Certified / State-of-The-Art-Of-The-Low-Deal ) “Truth Incineration” patented technology.

    Thanks, and be well!

  253. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Can you help?

    I’m always here to help, Sam.

    I don’t know for what reason, but Jews do tend to feature disproportionately in positions of some impact. Do you know why?

    If someone with a 204 IQ doesn’t know the reason, Sam, why would you expect someone with a goyishe kop to know?

    … “neocon” is simply the neo-coinage of a theme… which ran deep in America’s psyche: from Manifest Destiny to expand across the continent and claims of primacy to supremacy.

    While claiming primacy to supremacy is indeed one of the doctrines of neoconservativism, for some reason you failed to mention another defining characteristic. Not to worry, however. as Andrew Sullivan was honest enough to point out what you wouldn’t:

    During February 2009 Andrew Sullivan wrote he no longer took neoconservatism seriously because its basic tenet was defense of Israel:

    “The closer you examine it, the clearer it is that neoconservatism, in large part, is simply about enabling the most irredentist elements in Israel and sustaining a permanent war against anyone or any country who disagrees with the Israeli right. That’s the conclusion I’ve been forced to these last few years. And to insist that America adopt exactly the same constant-war-as-survival that Israelis have been slowly forced into… But America is not Israel. And once that distinction is made, much of the neoconservative ideology collapses.”

    Still, while we are we are both aware of the Jewish names on the list, what say you about the ones at the very top?

    I say they are traitors to the American people.

    While there is indeed an over representation of non-Jews in the Politicians category, as you suggest, this Wikipedia list of Notable people associated with neoconservatism, suggests there is an over representation in the other direction in the remaining 5 categories:

    [MORE]

    The list includes public people identified as personally neoconservative at an important time or a high official with numerous neoconservative advisers, such as George W. Bush and Richard Cheney.

    1. Politicians
    Jeb Bush
    Lindsey Graham
    Joe Lieberman
    John McCain
    Tim Pawlenty

    2. Government officials
    Elliot Abrams
    William Bennett
    Eliot A. Cohen
    Jeane Kirkpatrick
    Scooter Libby
    Victoria Nuland
    Richard Perle
    Paul Wolfowitz
    R. James Woolsey Jr.

    3. Academics
    Victor Davis Hanson
    Michael Ledeen
    Nathan Glazer
    Donald Kagan
    Andrew Roberts
    Douglas Murray

    4. Public figures
    Robert Kagan
    Arthur Brooks
    Danielle Pletka
    Gary Schmitt
    Fred Barnes
    David Frum
    Jonah Goldberg
    Brit Hume
    Frederick Kagan
    Charles Krauthammer
    Irving Kristol
    William Kristol
    Joshua Muravchik
    Douglas Murray
    Daniel Pipes
    Norman Podhoretz
    John Podhoretz
    Jennifer Rubin
    Michael Rubin
    Irwin Stelzer
    Jonathan S. Tobin

    5. Institutions
    Foundation for Defense of Democracies
    Henry Jackson Society
    Hudson Institute
    Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
    Project for the New American Century
    American Enterprise Institute

    6. Publications
    Commentary
    Front Page Magazine
    The Public Interest
    The Weekly Standard
    The Washington Free Beacon

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

  254. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “The question at hand, the one raised by these 88s, is whether the Jews have mind and body snatched American foreign policy for the benefit of Israel and Jews.”

    Iffen, you don’t ask easy questions. I’ll try to answer with appropriate nuance. It’s a poor fraction of what the question merits, and only my opinion.

    I don’t believe Israel has hijacked US policy, or that some secret Jewish cabal calls all the shots.

    Why?

    • First, it gives Israel and Jews too much credit. Some Israelis/Jews are brilliant, some not so much. Some are powerful, some powerless. Some wealthy, some poor. Just like anyone else. I refuse to cede them supernatural status. We are, like it or not, all mortal. All imperfect. We should each be judged individually for our action (or inaction).

    • Second, neocons and supporters of Israel (including their many non-Jewish allies) are very much on the record – anything but secret. With a stellar record of terrible advice and obscene warmongering, it’s amazing anyone takes neocons seriously. OK, they keep showing up in the media with the same ‘sky is falling’ routine, be it Russia, Syria, or (plum target) Iran. What’s the saying: ‘Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.’ I (far from perfect) wasn’t fooled the first time.

    • Third, beneficiaries of current ‘superpower’ global policy are an increasingly concentrated group – energy (cheap, reliable sources like the corrupt Sabahs and Sauds), finance (global banks, with IMF enforcement), insurance (expanding markets), foreign-sourced retail (low-wages and poor environmental standards), drugs (patent monopoly), entertainment (copyright), transportation (all those tankers and trucks) – not just Israel. Multinationals, and those that own them, are unconfined. Forget national boundaries, race, religion and the rest. Most are motivated by a short-term profit motive. Some, but far from a majority, are Jewish.

    • Forth, does anyone seriously think anyone but Bush and Cheney made the decision to invade Iraq in 2003? Cheney’s old firm (KBR) was the biggest beneficiary. Ultimately, they’re responsible, and (unless we call them to account) we’re just as guilty. That’s what most concerns me.

    Israel’s influence on Congress is well documented and, in my opinion, very unhealthy. For the US and for Israel. What Washington called ‘passionate attachments’ – should be avoided. It’s bad for both parties. Mearshimer and Walt should be commended and widely read. As should Max Blumenthal and Dan Ephron. Why? Because they express the views of many Jews who, with Likud in power, remain in the wilderness. Visit Tikkun (http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/), opposed to the Iraq from the beginning.

    I’ve long thought AIPAC should register as a foreign lobbyist, but to be honest I’m not sure that will make much difference. If I recall correctly Odysseus lashed himself to the mast so that he might resist the Sirens lure to disaster. We lack similar restraint and, given the value of free speech, it’s incumbent on each citizen to educate himself and confront his representative/senator with their opinion. I won’t hold my breath.

    Last, those who blame WW1 and WW2 on everyone but the Germans – the 88s in your question. I suspect they have as many motives as posters – some genuinely innocent, some not so much. Just as some – on the other side – reasonably support Israel, some not so much. Extremists on both sides seem thinly craven in the desire to incite more sinister outcomes. That’s the world we live in. Can’t say I like it, but there it is.

    I’ll close by saying it’s odious some WW1/WW2 revisionists routinely link Nazi Germany with Israel. It serves no purpose but to engender vitriol and muddy the water. No one (Israeli, Palestinian, Jew, Muslim) benefits. Everybody looses.

    If you’ve got a problem with Israel, cite it – hold them to account.

  255. Incitatus says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “Connected and smart are not necessarily related.”

    I agree – I only meant to say ‘smart’ to focus on influence peddling, seeing they have few other skills. Political science affords limited career paths. Telling others to bomb here, intervene there, change régimes, etc – that’s about all they know.

    Yet, like cockroaches, they survive their own incompetence and make a good living. Isn’t that ‘smart?’

    Maybe “cunning” is a better word, but we’re parsing words. Let’s go nuclear – they’re scum bags, full stop.

  256. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Betsy Ross was a true patriot”

    Wasn’t she the one with wooden teeth? The sister of Dianna Ross?

  257. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Mearshimer and Walt should be commended and widely read.

    Not sure how you can commend M&W and ask people to widely read them when you’ve arrived at the opposite conclusion they’ve arrived at:

    I don’t believe Israel has hijacked US policy…

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  258. annamaria says:
    @Incitatus

    The obviously dishonest and prostituting Adam Schiff has been also making money on weapon-manufacturing in Ukraine. Of course he does not want entente with Russia, this would hurt his business interests. And – surprise! – “Schiff was raised in a Jewish family..” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Schiff
    “Adam Schiff: Grifter, Racketeer, Warmonger:” http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/03/21/adam-schiff-grifter-racketeer-warmonger/
    Why does Schiff hate America so much?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Incitatus
  259. Blondenfun1 says: • Website

    Citizen mass mail campaign to Congress/DOJ/NYPD #OpDeepState http://www.OpDeepState.com All hands on deck, let them know we’re here and holding them accountable.

  260. Seraphim says:
    @anarchyst

    @which belief system has a greater respect for Christianity?

    Let’s set the record straight: NONE. Burning of churches, beheading of Christians, burning them alive can hardly be seen as a sign of ‘respect’. Their pretended respect for the ‘prophet Isa’ makes the matter worse. It is in fact a reproach addressed to the Christians that they hold the wrong beliefs. It is, in Islamic terms, “taqiyya” or “religious deception”, that Muslims should make use of to ‘protect Islam’ when they find themselves under non-Muslim authority and fear for themselves.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  261. KenH says:

    When not musing over how it is always 1938 and one is in Munich, neocons are nearly as unsettled when they think it is 1905 in Odessa.

    It’s always 1933 all over again. Jews hated Russia and ethnic Russians before the 1917 Bolshevik revolution but afterwards loved it (but not necessarily the Russians) when it became a “worker’s paradise” managed by bloodthirsty Jewish commissars. The Rosenberg’s weren’t the only American Jews who spied on their behalf and morally supported Russia under the old Soviet Union since the Jews were essentially a ruling class for the first several decades following the revolution (capital punishment was the penalty for anti-semitism).

    But the Jews lost that loving feeling when Putin began disenfranchising and prosecuting the Jewish oligarchs who reaped their wealth through ethnic nepotism and the rape of the common people. And I think their hard feelings only intensified since most American Jews see Russia as supporting Mid East dictators like Assad who oppose Israel.

    • Agree: Miro23
  262. Art says:
    @annamaria

    Adam Schiff: Grifter, Racketeer, Warmonger

    Another Jew neoliberal Deep State peddler of globalism.

    Anti-Russia – pro Saudi – totally anti-Trump – the whole nine yards. What a clown.

    Surprise surprise – Jews head all the security committees in congress. No wonder good citizens do not trust congress.

    It is time to ostracize of these worthless people.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Z-man
  263. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    Hello Geo!

    “Mearshimer and Walt should be commended and widely read.*

    “Not sure how you can commend M&W and ask people to widely read them when you’ve arrived at the opposite conclusion they’ve arrived at:”

    “I don’t believe Isreal has hijacked US policy…”

    Geo, you presume to sum up M&W and respond for them?

    I’m not trying to co-op M&W. I agree with much of what they document. They’re not the only source. Have you read Chomsky’s “Fateful Triangle’? Blumenthal’s ‘Goliath’ and ‘51 Day War’? Ephron’s “Killing a King’? The case (Likud Israel vs US) only gets worse. Have you read about Moyne, Bernadotte, Serat etc.? No doubt you already have.

    You seem to have embedded M&W in your psyche. Knock your self out. Where does it lead – other than repetitive raging posts? If that’s what you want, go for it.

    Let me repeat my assertion:

    “I don’t believe Israel has hyjacked US policy…”

    Why?

    American Presidents, Senators and Congressmen have voted in favor of Israel (it’s an easy vote) for years. THEY, and they alone, are responsible. That was my point.

    BTW Thank you for suggesting Rebecca Goldsteins’ ‘Plato at the Googleplex’. It was most enjoyable (I even bought a copy).

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @geokat62
  264. Art says:
    @Incitatus

    I’ll close by saying it’s odious some WW1/WW2 revisionists routinely link Nazi Germany with Israel. It serves no purpose but to engender vitriol and muddy the water. No one (Israeli, Palestinian, Jew, Muslim) benefits. Everybody looses.

    Everyone looses when the truth is hidden – Jesus said “the Truth will set you free” – and it does.

    Many of us do not really know the truth about Nazi – Zionist collaboration – but we would not be surprised one little bit. Birds of a feather flock together.

    I personally see no difference between Zionism and Nazism. They are both fascists.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  265. Incitatus says:
    @annamaria

    Thanks for the tip, annamaria.

    I confess I wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference between Shiff and a local lavatory attendant three days ago (not that I patronize lavatories, mind you).

    The Congressional hearings interrogating Comey changed all that. Shiff was the embodiment of a Great-Horned Owl – I’ve never seen bigger eyes as he spun question after question. Not quite Inspector Javert, but he tried his best.

    Rep. Adam Shiff a prostitute? Aren’t we all?

    All the best.

  266. L.K says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam the sham goes: “If there is one thing Jews won’t tolerate, it is nonfulfillment on account of stupid nepotistic practices.”

    LOL. Pure Nonsense & Jew deception. To a decisive degree, Jews have attained their elite status in ZUSA and elsewhere because of Jewish networking, patronage and ethnocentrism.
    Writing in this connection, Prof.Kevin MacDonald notes:

    This is a favorite aspect of contemporary Jewish self-conception — the idea that Jews replaced WASPs because they are smarter and work harder. But this leads to the ultimate irony: Kagan is remarkably unqualified to be a Supreme Court Justice in terms of the usual standards: judicial experience, academic publications, or even courtroom experience. Rather, all the evidence is that Kagan owes her impending confirmation to her Jewish ethnic connections. The same goes for Jewish over-representation in elite academic institutions–far higher than can be explained by higher Jewish IQ. Does anyone seriously think that Jewish domination of Hollywood and so much of the other mainstream media is about merit rather than ethnic networking and solidarity?

    On the same theme, but in France, Guillaume Durocher wrote:

    In 1992, the center-left Jewish journalist Claude Askolovitch cited the case of Bernard-Henri Lévy in a book on the power of nepotistic networks in France: “In 1992, Lévy entered [the major publishing house] Grasset as the collection director. The young man learned in three years what the elegant world of publishing houses took a century to take in. [. . .] As soon as he was in place, BHL works to swamp his publishing firm with the manuscripts of his little friends! [. . .] The principle is simple: Wherever these young people are, they talk about each other. The glory of the one redounds on the others, and so forth.”
    These kinds of nepotistic networks are no doubt the principal factor in determining who is recognized with lofty titles like “intellectual” and “philosopher” in France today, even if these individuals are otherwise widely seen as mediocrities.

  267. dcite says:
    @anarchyst

    A loosely held secret is the way Christians are treated in Israel, many times being spat on by Jews…just because they can…

    Never saw that, or anything close. I lived in an Israel town for a few years, with many Jews and Christian Arabs, known for being peaceful.. At Christmas a skinny Arab guy a Santa suit stood in a pickup truck and give away candy and fruit to kids.
    During the 60s, the Catholic Church did formally exculpate the Jews from any “guilt” concerning the crucifixion. What I recall from years of Catholic school, is that Pontius Pilate and the Pharisees (sounds like a rock group) were the real culprits. The Jewish mob was a mob, ephemeral in its emotions. The deliberate, persistent plotting of certain high clergy, and the power of the Roman ruler, made the execution happen. “Pharisees” were the bad guys, not Jews in general, who naturally included many of Jesus’ followers. That’s how it was taught in the mid to late 20th c. anyway.

  268. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    American Presidents, Senators and Congressmen have voted in favor of Israel (it’s an easy vote) for years. THEY, and they alone, are responsible. That was my point.

    Apologies, Incitatus. You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m a little slow on the uptake. Let me see if I’ve got this straight. Are you suggesting the fact that American Presidents, Senators and Congressmen have diverted U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, as M&W have argued, had nothing to do with the influence of The Lobby? That if The Lobby didn’t exist, they would have still pursued these policies?

    If that’s the case you had better notify Sam that he should discontinue sending in his cheques as his money would be better spent on more useful things, like purchasing more horse feed. That way his horses would be able to increase their production of manure, which he could then spread more widely in his comments here at UR.

    P.S. Glad you enjoyed reading Plato At The Googleplex

  269. iffen says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    smart people do not make a huge mess which they created in the ME

    Do you read the other comments? Creating multiple failed states in the ME is the exact objective. Israel and the Jews are determined to use the US to create havoc in every ME state. They want Lebanons, Iraqs and Hezbollahs everywhere.

  270. wayfarer says:

    As citizens of eternity, there are only two possible evolutionary paths a soul can choose from within creation. Either the path of service-to-others or the path of service-to-self. The nation state of Zionist Israel, has chosen to follow the path of service-to-self. This unfortunate truth, is clearly evident.

  271. Incitatus says:
    @Art

    “Everybody looses”

    Hello Art,

    Yes, I actually believe that. Hold me to account. I’ll spare you my thoughts on Jesus (devoted but no less mired in the complexity of our world).

    “I personally see no difference between Zionism and Nazism. They are both fascists.”

    That’s your privilege. I disagree, if only because I find it impossible to generalize with such a broad brush. It lets so many culprits off scott free (they hide behind a label – pro or con). Israelis, Nazis, Italian Black Shirts, other Fascists – you name it.

    Believe it or not, I have no affection for Zionism or Zionists, fascists or fascism. Judge me by what I write.

    It’s a free country. You’re a smart guy (I believe that genuinely). Do you enjoy posting toxic slander without any intellectual proof? Not here, mind you, but in other posts. If you have a case to make, make it! Speaking for myself, name-calling only undermines your credibility. And – real response – it’s very boring. Hold people to account with facts if that’s what you want to do.

    Kind regards.

    • Replies: @Art
  272. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Iffen, you don’t ask easy questions.

    Thanks, I take that as a compliment. Sam still hasn’t answered my question as to what he meant by “them.” He may still be aggrieved because I called him a free-booting capitalist. Unlike clever lawyers, I usually ask questions for which I do not know the answers. Beyond that I seem to be able to think much better (for what it’s worth) with a back and forth of questions and answers.

    You make some good comments, please keep them coming.

    The problem is that there is a lack of opposition. Years ago we had hawks and doves. There are no doves anymore. Democrats who were hawks were also liberals, politicians like Scoop Jackson and Moynihan. Jewish politicians and pundits have usually been liberals. Jews do well in politics and the media. If you end up with everyone, liberal and conservative, being hawks, naturally a significant number will be Jews. If we had a dove side, Jews would be prominent there as well. They are over-represented in the neo-cons because of a default condition. We need an opposition party in the US and if we had one, Jews would be well represented in that opposition. I am sure of that.

    These 88s are not doves and will not be an opposition. They just hate Israel and Jews and are only against the wars in the ME because they think that it aids Israel.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @Incitatus
  273. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    They want Lebanons, Iraqs and Hezbollahs everywhere.

    I see you’ve finally gotten around to reading PNAC’s A Clean Break and/or the Yinon Plan. Uncanny how things have unfolded in accordance with these plans, huh?

  274. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    have diverted U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest

    Once again, I must demand that you produce the original gold lettered document that sets forth “the American national interests.” If you don’t, then I am just going to continue in these comments with my very own ideas as to what constitutes “the American national interests.”

  275. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    it’s odious some WW1/WW2 revisionists routinely link Nazi Germany with Israel. It serves no purpose

    Of course it is odious, and it very definitely serves a purpose and you know exactly what it is. If you can’t understand the purpose then you must have cut and pasted most of your comments from some source other than yourself.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @anarchyst
  276. zzz says:

    Iffen is this a friend of yours?

    ***************

    JERUSALEM — A Jewish teenager in Israel made a wave of threats to Jewish institutions in the United States and other countries in recent months, contributing to widespread fears of a spike in anti-Semitism, law enforcement officials said, after an international investigation culminated on Thursday in the arrest of the man, whose lawyer said he suffered from a brain tumor that affects his behavior.

    A spokesman for the police here, Micky Rosenfeld, said the 18-year-old suspect, who holds dual Israeli and American citizenship and lives in the Ashkelon area of southern Israel, had made threats to Jewish community centers and other sites in the United States, Australia and New Zealand, and to at least one commercial airline flight, forcing an emergency landing. His motives were not immediately clear.

    “This is the guy we are talking about,” Mr. Rosenfeld said.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @L.K
  277. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    No reason to apologize, you’ve not offended me.

    “Are you suggesting the fact that American Presidents, Senators and Congressmen have diverted U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest…”

    Ah, “American national interest.” An interesting, if problematic, phrase. Do Dick Cheney and I share the same interests? We’re both Americans, but I hope not. I certainly am not involved in sniffing out oil on the Golan Heights, and I was vocally against invading Iraq. He was for it, and guess what – we invaded Iraq. I didn’t benefit from profits KBR made in Iraq. In fact, some of the tax I paid probably helped pay KBR. “National interest?” Who’s?

    It’s easy to blame a scapegoat for Iraq. The Jews, Israel, Old Europe, Iran, Saddam – you name it. The blame lies with those who made the call. It’s that simple. The President, Senate, and Congress made the call. Israel, the media, numerous lobbies helped (it was great for business and for Israel). They share guilt. But they didn’t give the orders.

    “…as M&W have argued…That if The Lobby didn’t exist, they ['the US] would have still pursued these policies?”

    Why not? Remember Desert Storm 1990? The “Lobby” didn’t have a dog in that fight. It was all about saving Kuwait and KSA from evil, evil Iraq (I had friends held hostage in Kuwait, lived in KSA). How about the Iraq-Iran War 1980-88? Where was the ‘Lobby’ then? Who was behind those conflicts? Could they also be connected to Iraq 2003?

    Don’t know about your reference to Sam and cheques, though that may disappoint you. Vindictive? Desperate? M&W aren’t gods. Their work’s valuable, not gospel. And surely not a cure for all worldly ills. Don’t get me wrong. Believe what ever you like. Canada’s a free country (unless it too has been taken over by the ‘Lobby’).

    I’m sure you know the word pharmakos. The ritual scapegoat Hellenes killed to make everyone else clean. Is that what you’re about? Do you feel clean?

  278. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    The purpose such linkage serves is a varied as those that post it. Some might be innocent. Some not. Perhaps naïve, I prefer not to assume the worse.

    Be assured, my comments are mine alone – for all the fault or transient glory.

    • Replies: @iffen
  279. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    I just scrolled back and discovered your post 275. I need a chance to read it in full, but I’m all in tonight (this morning). I’ll try to do my best tomorrow.

  280. @Incitatus

    By the logic of what you posted, only the hit man is guilty of murder while the person ordering or setting up the hit has hands clean enough to make a seafood sandwich. I don’t think so.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  281. @geokat62

    “If that’s the case you better notify Sam (“The Sham”) that he should discontinue sending in his checks (to AIPAC) as his money could be better put to use elsewhere.”

    Excellent logic, Geokat62! Incitatus made a worthy Hasbara try for exonerating The Lobby, but he failed to hijack the Yellow Cake “smell” test.

    Post scriptum: Christopher Bollyn’s work “Solving 9-11″ showed how flying airplanes into 2 out of the 3 fallen W.T.C. towers did not need any hijackers except for America’s “greatest Middle East ally” who operated the flight trajectories by remote control.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  282. Incitatus says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Hello Nosey,

    “By the logic of what you posted, only the hit man is guilty of murder while the person ordering or setting up the hit has hands clean enough to make a seafood sandwich. I don’t think so.”

    I guess you missed this part of my post 280:

    “The blame lies with those who made the call…The President, Senate, and Congress made the call. Israel, the media, numerous lobbies helped…They share guilt. But they didn’t give the orders.”

    Enjoy your sandwich.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  283. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Some might be innocent.

    Does it matter to a dead person whether he was killed by an idiot or a genius?

    Be assured, my comments are mine alone

    Hyperbole, its afflicts and overpowers me.

  284. iffen says:
    @zzz

    Iffen is this a friend of yours?

    I assume that he is a poseur, bought and paid for by nickel and dime collections at the beer halls, plus quarters earned and contributed by the wives and girlfriends.

  285. anarchyst says:
    @Seraphim

    You are absolutely correct about Islam. I am aware of taquiya, the jizys, the true meaning of the word “Islam” (which means “submission”) and other stated practices. I was merely stating that the writings of Islam are virtually identical with Jewish writings, except in the case of respect for Jesus Christ.
    When it comes down to it, Jews and Moslems are quarreling cousins. who are already turning against us, for their advantage. Both Jews and Moslems cannot be trusted and should be thoroughly investigated pending mandatory deportation. Those who hold dual-citizenship should also be deported.
    Best regards,

  286. anarchyst says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Let’s not forget the “passports” that were found in the rubble of the WTC. You can bet that when the next Mossad operation goes into effect, Iranian passports will be found…
    Google “dancing Israelis and 9-11″…you will be surprised at what you find…

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  287. anarchyst says:
    @iffen

    Zionist complicity with the German regime before and during WW2 was well documented.
    For a start, please obtain and read “51 Questions and Answers–Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis” by Lenni Brenner.

    • Replies: @Anon
  288. Z-man says:
    @Art

    Yeah I’ve noticed this guy Schiff on Cable News over the last few weeks. The MSM has found, what it thinks, is a good spokesman for the neolib wing of the cabal. If this is the best they have to offer Trump is safe!

  289. Bill says:
    @Seraphim

    personnel = people who work for you

    The phrase “personnel is policy” refers to the fact that, by choosing whom to employ, you implicitly choose what policies are to be implemented. Upper level executives (like the President of the United States) must delegate decision-making to subordinates. Thus the judgement, preferences, and goals of subordinates significantly shape policy. This happens both because the subordinate has discretion in how he understands and implements the instructions he is given and because the subordinate has discretion in which information he conveys to his superior and how he frames the information conveyed.

    Generally, if your subordinates are in favor of policy A, you tend to get policy A (possibly by another name) even if you don’t want policy A. This does not have to happen in any particular case, of course. It is a tendency. If the superior decides to pay attention to a particular subordinate, he can usually get the policy he wants. On the other hand, he can’t pay attention to very many subordinates at once. If he could, he would have no need of subordinates in the first place.

    “Personnel is policy” is a general principle of bureaucratic organizations.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  290. Bill says:
    @iffen

    I think he means that they have blind spots. They have certain emotional attachments which both make them blind and also make them blind to the fact that they are blind.

    One of the consequences of being smart is that you are good at rationalizing. “I’m not in favor of X because of a mindless emotional reaction. No, I’m in favor of X because of the following complicated argument . . .”

    • Replies: @iffen
  291. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @iffen

    They want Lebanons, Iraqs and Hezbollahs everywhere.

    It is not me, but you who write on a subject you have no clue about. Passing Israeli shoddy “scholarship” and doctrine-mongering as some kind of a valid “plan” (there is always a plan, isn’t it?) without looking at the real state of the affairs seems to escape very many, not all, commenters. Israel can want and plan whatever she wants but she certainly sucks big time on any contingency planning and calculating consequences–a first sign of a rather lass than even average mind. I will reiterate the “results” of this Israeli “planning” which seem to escape very many minds: Israel’s position in the ME went from being under the constant but manageable danger to:

    1. Syria’s campaign and Russia’s stepping in there big time to change the outcome means a huge, in fact strategic, defeat for Israel. Not only she gets a really big player next to her borders but also, eventually, secular Arab entity which does have serious issues with Israel. This entity, Syria, in some final form will be very different (it already is) from what Israel encountered with Arabs. There are two main dimensions to it:

    a) Technological: Syria will get new armed forces and those will be very capable ones, including this proverbial air force and air defense. This will challenge Israel in her remaining military field in which she still maintains a nominal advantage. After 2006 very few really seriously take Israel’s combined arms capabilities despite Israel’s incessant propaganda and self-aggrandizing. Your statement that Israel “wants Hezbollah everywhere” is utter rubbish–it was this very Hezbollah which pretty much humiliated vaunted IDF in Lebanon in 2006. Hezbollah will get stronger since, see pp. b;

    b) Geopolitical: Arabs do observe what is happening in Syria now and how the calculus and dynamics of the region is changing. Against the background of Libya’s General Haftar latest serious contacts with Russia, the conclusion is inevitable: Russian’s geopolitical “product” of preserving stability and evolutionary development of the region is in a very high demand. This, by default, puts Israel and her terrorist accomplices in KSA and other Gulf shitholes on notice. In the end, same Hezbollah may “suddenly” get a very serious help from its main sponsor Iran, because, see pp. 2

    2. One had to be a complete imbecile (which often is the case when dealing with neocon and Israeli military-political thinking) not to foresee that destruction of Iraq would help greatly Iran’s position. Iran is not Iraq, even if to imagine that whole IDF would be allowed to deploy unopposed into Iran, this war, with all Israel’s advantage in the air would be over pretty fast since IDF would be shredded to pieces and Israel will run out of resources really fast. Now, even with US by Israel’s side trying to fight Iran may become a blunder which would make Vietnam look like a stroll in the park. I will omit here details of how this will become a slaughterhouse for any invader. All this became possible not only with the destruction of Iraq but:

    3. Ukraine, if not for neocon imbecility, was a catalyst. If not for Ukraine, there wouldn’t have been Russian direct involvement in Syria, there wouldn’t have been Russian-Iranian rapprochement, which is a direct threat to Israel, and very many other things. I predicted in my blog (in fact that is why I started it) in 2014 that Ukraine’s neocon adventurism would end up with the full blown remaking of the world order and not in favor of, highly uneducated, American vision. Boy, was I humble and restrained in my assessment of the speed and the scope of this change. But then again, I always stated that US basically has no idea what it is dealing with in the outside world since its “geopolitical” so called “scholarship” is dominated by the same people who run Israel. Now:

    When we look at Israel today, who, as you state, supposedly is so smart that it wants a chaos she allegedly can (which can’t) control we see how:

    1. Israel’s position vis-a-vis Hezbollah and Syria was diminished dramatically. Syrian (wink, wink) forces to day control what Israel can and cannot do over Syria and, eventually, the sky of Lebanon will be controlled also, you know, by Syrians (wink, wink).

    2. Israel is forced, which also limits her space for maneuver, to deal with Russia and Russia, whilst by no means an enemy of Israel, is surely intent to make Israel more “reasonable” in the region. It is a process but there is no denial of obvious fact that Russian influence in the ME is growing exponentially. For likudniks (and Israel in general) it is a catastrophe.

    3. Vis-a-vis Iran. For Israel the game is over. Iran is emerging as the regional superpower and she has and will continue to have enough resources to restrain Israel. Iran’s military capabilities will continue to grow and, unless attacked right this very moment by all might (grossly overrated) of US, NATO and Israel, Iran will continue to become less and less likely target for any military adventurism from anybody.

    So, even a brief and grossly incomplete review shows how Israel (together with US neocons) miscalculated catastrophically in their plans and most importantly how they miscalculated in their own capabilities and abilities–a first sign of gross incompetence across the whole spectrum of strategic issues–from military to diplomacy–and, of course, folie de grandeur which is a defining characteristic of Israel who would continue to sink further in own shit and still insist, including my means of lame doctrine-mongering, that it still smells with French perfume. I never heard in my life that demotion, say from Colonel to Major was a “success” and a plan. Never. But yes, Knesset’s subsidiary, US Congress, will continue to do Israel’s bidding until US is either a complete basket case or people with pitch forks will start marching on D.C. So, please, stop peddling here neocon’s and Israel’s disasters as some kind of consciously anticipated outcomes. They are not and Israel knows, or, at least, senses it and so do American very own neocons who are going apoplectic for a reason. Game over, man. (c)

    • Replies: @iffen
  292. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “…they [recent wars] are all occurring in MENA.”

    A valid observation. Why the Middle East? Because of Israel? It lobbied shamelessly for invading Iraq. Remember these gems?

    “There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons…Once Saddam has nuclear weapons, the terror network will have nuclear weapons.”

    “If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region…And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, young people, and many others, will say the time of such regimes, of such despots is gone.”

    -Benjamin Netanyahu, 12 Sep 2002 testimony before the US House Government Reform Committee regarding Iraq

    Israel benefited from Saddam’s removal. Was it alone?

    Consider the following sectors:

    • Oil (the commodity): essential for global trade that sources products in low labor cost venues with poor environmental standards, then ships goods to the local Walmart. The Walton family is worth $149 billion.

    • Oil service businesses: Halliburton would never have been invited to bid on contracts in a Saddam controlled post sanction Iraq. And UN support for sanctions was collapsing.

    • Rival oil-producing OPEC countries may have desired to maintain their market share, and/or to have a more cooperative neighbor with less threatening leadership (Kuwait’s Sabah family and the Sauds weren’t Saddam’s best friends).

    • Supply, service, and construction companies. The Pentagon’s 2003 Iraq Contractor list is an interesting read. They walked away with billions: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2003/10/30/5628/winning-contractors

    • Maintaining the US dollar as the global standard (Saddam threatened to quote oil in euros once sanctions were lifted).

    • Strengening and broadening elite global financial opportunities (e.g. regional energy exploration).

    • Weapons industry – essential for protecting reliable oil sources. Periodic conflict renews demand.

    • US AID – US corporate agriculture (foreign war and famine enhances demand, and foodstuffs can be an enforcement tool ).

    • IMF – Debt can be a useful instrument of enforcing hegemony, and profitable for the financial sector.

    • Heavy industry required for reconstruction, plus everything from aircraft to autos.

    My guess is many – in addition to Israel – benefited from the Iraq War 2003.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Chuck Orloski
  293. iffen says:
    @Bill

    But it is the emotional attachment that we all start with, all of us, and then we build our complicated arguments. We just back-fill our argument with whatever “facts” fit our ideas. That’s the nature of the beast. I’m pretty sure that I could leave most of the Jew-haters here in the shade if I just hated Jews.

  294. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Hi Incitatus,

    I say this: here collected in your words are a better recounting of my thoughts on the subject, than any I have been able to summon.

    This line in particular, describes perfectly well, struggles within my own congregation, where attempts to persuade as many as I can, to view the purposes of AIPAC with eyes far more critical than the customary cordial ones, are not infrequently met with bemused resistance.

    “..[] Odysseus lashed himself to the mast so that he might resist the Sirens lure to disaster. We lack similar restraint and, given the value of free speech, it’s incumbent on each citizen to educate himself and confront his representative/senator…”

    Still, I reckon the message does seep in.

    The trouble here at UR, at least for a person looking for nuance, is that they get deluged instead with odious Nazi/WW propaganda, nicely blended with the collective bleatings of 88s, run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorists and the plain batshit crazy. Agree with a point or two and they expect you to swallow the whole pile of dreck.

    btw Iffen, I don’t feel aggrieved you called me a free-booting capitalist. To channel Churchill, I consider capitalism the worst form of industrial organisation, except all the others. :-)
    I forget the context in which you asked me whom I meant when referring to ‘them’. Permit me to revisit and reply.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  295. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Are you familiar with the adage: pot calling the kettle black?

    Incitatus to geohat62:

    Knock your self out. Where does it lead – other than repetitive raging posts? If that’s what you want, go for it.

    Iffen to Incitatus:

    “The question at hand, the one raised by these 88s, is whether the Jews have mind and body snatched American foreign policy for the benefit of Israel and Jews.”

    If the question is whether Jewish influence over the foreign policy of the US is inimical to our national interests and said influence causes the implementation of policies that produce benefits to Israel and not to the US, time spent responding with examples of non-Jews benefiting from said policies, is, as these 88s put it, misdirection.

    Whether intentional or not, I can’t say. I am trying to learn not to assume the worst. 

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  296. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    First of all, the title is “51 Documents.” But please let’s do discuss some of these 51 points. We can begin where you like.

  297. @Incitatus

    “My guess is many — in addition to Israel — benefited from the Iraq War 2003.”

    You could have named specifically V.P. Cheney’s Halliburton as having eaten from the rotten fruit of the barbaric attack upon Iraq. Prince’s “Blackwater, Inc.” too.

    Also, only a few months after Baghdad fell, Exxon-Mobil negotiated rights to Iraqi oilfields with post-Saddam Hussein officials. The “deal” appeared in a N.Y.T. front-page picture and I can not tell if Secretary Rex Tillerson was there for the Imperial signing!

    The above 3-concrete examples would not be considered “guesses.”

    It’s March 2017 now! So please look (below) at who donated millions to Donald Trump’s victorious presidential election campaign, and afterward, easily got extra “bennies” from the U.S. Senate as to who is Trump’s U.S. envoy to Israel?

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/24/515427/Hardliner-Friedman-approved-as-US-envoy-to-Israel

    Sheldon Adelson’s crooked hand of casino diamonds & Lobby clubs did it all — it TALKED, it WALKED over U.S. citizen interests, and P.M. Netanyahu merrily DANCED to Shelly’s funereal tune!

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/24/515427/Hardliner-Friedman-approved-as-US-envoy-to-Israel

    InZtatus: Who do you think will benefit from future U.S. wars against, Iran, Lebanon, and Syria?

  298. annamaria says:
    @Incitatus

    Perhaps you are too quick to identify Israel-firsters as “scapegoats.” By the way, the topic is the consequences of the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East. And the slaughter was initiated with the illegal war in Iraq.
    “Whatever the secondary reasons for the war, the crucial factor in President Bush’s decision to attack was to help Israel. With support from Israel and America’s Jewish-Zionist lobby, and prodded by Jewish “neo-conservatives” holding high-level positions in his administration, President Bush – who was already fervently committed to Israel – resolved to invade and subdue one of Israel’s chief regional enemies.
    This is so widely understood in Washington that US Senator Ernest Hollings was moved in May 2004 to acknowledge that the US invaded Iraq “to secure Israel,” and “everybody” knows it. He also identified three of the influential pro-Israel Jews in Washington who played an important role in prodding the US into war: Richard Perle, chair of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board; Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary; and Charles Krauthammer, columnist and author.
    Some months before the invasion, retired four-star US Army General and former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Wesley Clark acknowledged in an interview: “Those who favor this attack [by the US against Iraq] now will tell you candidly, and privately, that it is probably true that Saddam Hussein is no threat to the United States. But they are afraid at some point he might decide if he had a nuclear weapon to use it against Israel.”http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml

    In short, “Who you are going to believe, my words or your lying eyes?”
    Israeli/US ziocons’ attitude to the ongoing tragedy in Syria makes of course everything absolutely clear. Here is a definition for the “Jewish neo-conservatives holding high-level positions in his administration” and the Lobby at large – the Fifth Column. Others suggest a stronger word – “parasitoid.”

  299. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “The problem is that there is a lack of opposition.”

    We have one party with two faces. Debates are less genuine than reality television. Coincidence Trump was/is a star? Recent Senate cabinet post hearings were largely formulaic. There were some good moments – Mnunchin, whenever listening to a hostile question, exhibited a rather strange facial twitch, rather as if his shorts shrunk. It’s worth a look on C-Span if you’re looking for perverse entertainment.

    The Democratic Party is a dead-man walking. It seems in terminal denial. Pretty much the same leadership as before the lost election? Pathetic.

    The GOP is obviously like a nervous bride on her wedding night, wondering what Donald will do next.

    Labels don’t mean much anymore. All love deficits, debt, and violent global intervention. There are some reasons to be hopeful. Obama backed down from attacking Syria, and the JCPOA seems still in place. Of course black ops (e.g. transferring Libyan weapons to ‘moderate’ Syrian rebels) remain unexposed (except by Hersh, Fisk, and a few others).

    I don’t know how comity can be restored, let alone balanced opposition and genuine debate. Too much money – especially dark money? ‘Free speech’ never cost more.

    I screened ‘The Best Years of Our Lives’ a couple weeks ago. It won seven Academy Awards in 1946. It portrays the return of three vets from WW2 and their readjustment to civilian life. There’s a scene where they encounter what you might call an 88.

    • Agree: Sam Shama
  300. Art says:
    @Incitatus

    That’s your privilege. I disagree, if only because I find it impossible to generalize with such a broad brush. It lets so many culprits off scott free (they hide behind a label – pro or con). Israelis, Nazis, Italian Black Shirts, other Fascists – you name it.

    Do you enjoy posting toxic slander without any intellectual proof?

    The answer to both your points is that this is a political forum – not an academic theses forum where everything has to be documented. Clearly we are discussing Germany and Israel and not those others. Bringing up the others just clouds the verbiage – listing every fascist nations adds nothing to the argument.

    As to “toxic slander” – one man’s toxic slander is another man’s truth. My personal opinion is that there is a little too much genteel kissy face banter sometimes. What we are discussing is very important – historical in nature. The depth 0f feeling about these matters should be felt by all.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @iffen
  301. iffen says:
    @Art

    Who are you and what have you done with Arts?

    BTW, I’m thinking that it is not slander if there is proof.

    As a general principle, not that you ever have much in the way of proof for your pathetic comments.

  302. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    If the question is whether Jewish influence over the foreign policy of the US is inimical to our national interests and said influence causes the implementation of policies that produce benefits to Israel and not to the US, time spent responding with examples of non-Jews benefiting from said policies, is, as these 88s put it, misdirection.

    I found Incitatus’ answer to this perfectly clear. To start with weren’t you the one also questioning what ‘American national interest’ meant?

    If you want precision on this matter you’d need to get an exact model doing ceteris paribus analysis of benefits which accrued to America on one hand, and Israel on the other, from each and every incident and external stimulus. Here, we are talking of measurable benefits. As far as my eye views it, industries, incomes, standards of living, healthcare, environmental qualities of the US are inextricably linked to those of Europe, a selection of nations in Asia, and Israel, to a far higher degree than the usual effects of America sneezing and the entire world catching a cold.

    On things less measurable, I have thoughts. They are not well-formed yet.

    So non-jews are very much part of that eco-system. Proposing the converse is a misdirection.

    thank you,

    • Replies: @iffen
  303. @anarchyst

    Google “dancing with Israelis and 9-11… you’ll be surprised at what’s found.”

    anarchyst,

    Had they any principled courage in their dishonorable convictions, both InZitatus and Sam The Sham would “nuance” what’s found in the video’s revelations!

    These criminals, staged on-the Jersey side, might have been the only Jews in N.Y.C. who danced (in public) because they had foreknowledge of Netanyahu’s assertion that 9-11 will be “good for Israel.”

    Right at this moment, had they lowered themselves to read this particular exchange, the “dancing Israelis” would laugh & dance at how the U.S. police agencies illegally let them go home “free” from further intense (Columbo-style) ) interrogation.

    How can high crimes of serial murder, i.e 9-11, & immoral wars be prosecuted (in the ZUSA) when there is neither Federal prosecutors nor courts who could do so?

    We are pretty much fucked, anarchyst… but that’s not a good reason for surrender.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  304. iffen says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Excellent comment!

    Four stars out of five!

  305. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Proposing the converse is a misdirection.

    Misdirection requires intent, which is why I phrased the comment to Incitatus in the manner that I did. I did not want to accuse him of misdirection, just making the observation that his comments led me to question as to whether that was the intent.

    Do you think I do misdirection?

    Why would I and to support what cause or idea?

    More on this comment later.

  306. anarchyst says:
    @Incitatus

    It is a loosely-guarded “secret” that the Saddam Hussein Iraqi government approached the U S government about reasserting control over Kuwait. Since Kuwait (province) was taken away from Iraq after WW2 as a part of “reparations” (war spoils) for Iraq siding with Germany during WW2, the question was asked, whether Iraq could resume control. To which the American government replied that it had no problem with Iraq assuming control.
    The rest is history…
    When Iraq assumed control of Kuwait, the game was put into play…it was called an “invasion…

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  307. Sam Shama says:

    [ I did not want to accuse him of misdirection, just making the observation that his comments led me to question as to whether that was the intent.]

    So let me understand this. You are questioning whether he intended to misdirect??!!

    I certainly don’t think you do misdirection, but that practice is rampant on these commentaries…..choose any topic and you’ll see it.

    Sorry if I sound dense today,,,,,to much wine last night :-)

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
    , @NoseytheDuke
  308. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    So let me understand this. You are questioning whether he intended to misdirect??!!

    Yes, it was in my mind. If every time there is a question about a policy that could be for Israel’s benefit, he runs a post outlining all the non-Israeli beneficiaries, what purpose does it serve.

    That said, I am beginning to warm to this idea of his:

    The purpose such linkage serves is a varied as those that post it. Some might be innocent. Some not. Perhaps naïve, I prefer not to assume the worse.

    Innocent ignorance, I see possibilities. :)

  309. wayfarer says:

    Israel the Trust Fund Nation

    $254 Billion in Unconditional US Aid to Israel Is Unique

    http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2017/02/22/254-billion-in-unconditional-us-aid-to-israel-is-unique/

    Thousands of US Non-Profits Donate to Israel

    http://www.guidestar.org/NonprofitDirectory.aspx?cat=8&subcat=47&p=1

    What About Homeless Americans?

    War on the Homeless: Cities Across America are Making it Illegal to Feed and Shelter Those in Need

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/war-homeless-cities-across-america-are-making-it-illegal-feed-and-shelter-those-need

    Illegal to be Homeless in America

    http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/crimreport/meanest.html

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  310. chris says:
    @geokat62

    I agree of course with your point. Thanks!

  311. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    •iffen
    March 24, 2017 at 2:52 am GMT • 100 Words

    have diverted U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest

    Once again, I must demand that you produce the original gold lettered document that sets forth “the American national interests.”

    Yes, I mock geo all the time with this. He writes like we all are in agreement as to what “American national interest” is, much less how it is formed and who does the forming, like we could get a list from Wiki.

    This is far from the only undefined term tossed about in the comments.

    From Incitatus:

    Believe it or not, I have no affection for Zionism or Zionists, fascists or fascism. Judge me by what I write.

    Does this mean he opposes the existence of the modern State of Israel, that Israeli Jews should be pushed into the sea?

    From annamaria, a standard stock in trade comment here at UR:

    This is so widely understood in Washington that US Senator Ernest Hollings was moved in May 2004 to acknowledge that the US invaded Iraq “to secure Israel,” and “everybody” knows it.

    Now, I want to take a run at this.

    Is there a question of dual loyalty?

    What is the exact nature and extent of the overlap of Israel’s interest with that of the US in the ME?

    Of the people encouraging the Iraq war of 2003, how many did so because they thought that aiding Israel was the over-riding concern?

    Were there people who pushed for the war who thought that it was good for Israel and who didn’t give the US a second thought?

    Did these people, if they existed, tip the balance for war?

    If there were no Jewish neo-cons, would we have launched the Iraq War?

    These are the answers that we have to get at.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Art
    , @Sam Shama
  312. @iffen

    iffen’s strange question posed to Sam The Sham: “Did these people, if they existed, tip the balance for war.”

    Hey ‘iffen-iffen,

    For a Christmas gift, a friend gave me Vonnegut’s antiwar book, “Slaugtherhouse Five”

    In the book I learned about “Echolalia,” and below, I will explain it:

    Echolalia is a mental disease which makes impressionable people immediately repeat things that morally unbalanced people (with IQ’s > 200) around them say.

    Therefore, ‘iffen-iffen, here is a therapeutic syllogism that I think can help you:

    1. Iffen consistently echoes deceptive things Sam “The Sham” Shama says.

    2. Iffen mocks geokat62′s reasoned arguments “all the time.”

    3. Iffen’s officially diagnosed with echolalia now!

    For now, I recommend “hits”of Acapulco Gold and try to have a good Deep State sleep! Respond to me in the morning and please provide proof for mental illness insurance coverage so that I can take your case to the next step your ? Thanks and God bless you!

  313. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Ah, “American national interest.” An interesting, if problematic, phrase.

    While it’s true that there is no standard definition of this term, I view it like Justice Stewart’s definition of obscenity: “I know it when I see it.” If people can’t see that the expenditure of $6 trillion on the phony GWOT is detrimental to the interests of the American people, they are either blind or disingenuous.

    The blame lies with those who made the call. It’s that simple.

    You must have missed a previous exchange on this topic. Here is one of my comments:

    Perhaps an analogy may be useful here. Have you seen the movie Casino Jack? It’s a story about the life of the infamous influence pedlar, Jack Abramoff. IIRC, the movie starts out with a scene where two guys pull up to another car waiting at an intersection and proceed to pump him [the rightful owner of the casino] full of bullets. The two men, named Big Tony and Little Tony were later arrested and served a prison sentence, after being convicted. What we discover a little later is that Jack A and his partner were the ones who had put out the contract for this killing.

    So who would you say bears primary responsibility in this instance: the two schmucks who pulled the trigger, or JA and his partner, who were the eminence grise behind the scenes?

    The same principle applies to the invasion of Iraq. While it’s true that Bush and Cheney ordered the invasion, the neocons/Israel firsters and other members of the Lobby were the real eminence grise behind the scenes.

    M&W aren’t gods. Their work’s valuable, not gospel.

    They had the courage to speak truth to power and they should be highly regarded for doing so.

    I’m sure you know the word pharmakos. The ritual scapegoat Hellenes killed to make everyone else clean. Is that what you’re about? Do you feel clean?

    No one is completely clean. But those who are willing to defend the phony GWOT which has plundered $6 trillion from the US treasury (and still counting) while an unfortunate Detroit fire chief couldn’t afford to purchase replacement parts for a dilapidated fire truck to put out a fire that eventually took the life of a little girl, must feel a little dirty (watch the documentary, Detroit On Fire.)

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  314. Art says:
    @iffen

    Once again, I must demand that you produce the original gold lettered document that sets forth “the American national interests.”

    Don’t know where that came from – but here is the answer.

    George Washington Farwell Address.

    Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it – It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

    There is more.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Need Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan be mentioned?

  315. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    All valid, all extremely important questions which I shall attempt to answer after Shabbat..

    quick note: None of Incitatus’ reasoned posts are anything close to misdirections, but on the contrary totally apropos.

    Best

    • Replies: @iffen
  316. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hi Sam and Iffen,

    I’d make a poor Manichaean. I don’t believe the world is black or white, good or evil. Mortal behavior seems to me obscured between those boundaries. And fate often takes a hand. Homer had much of it right.

    A recent critical poster mentioned US Grant and WT Sherman (their autobiographies are amazing). Understandably, there’s little Southern love for them (that passion was reserved for slavery – whoops, I should have said ‘states rights’).

    Recently read a biography of Chief Justice John Marshall – never realized he didn’t get along with Jefferson (who he called ‘the lama on the hill’ – I love that). Jefferson, of course, was a champion of ‘states rights’ (sounded good when he mentioned it to Sally Hemings?). But he got Louisiane, bless him.

    All were great men, but men of their time (aren’t we all). They faced bad choices. I think they chose the least bad. Sometimes that’s the best you can do in a gray world. But who the hell am I to judge?

    Interesting story about Grant in JE Smith’s biography. Out of the army after the Mexican War, he endured very hard times and was reduced to selling firewood on street corners (1859?). He inherited a windfall though his wife – a black slave. He could easily have sold the slave for $1000+. What did he do? He freed the man. Gratis. Sometimes it’s what people do when nobody’s looking that means the most.

    Who started the American Civil War? Pierre-Gustave-Toutant Beauregard (my distant cousin). He shelled Fort Sumter 12 April 1861. Funny the poster didn’t mention him. Nor RE Lee.

    When I was doing a project in Riyadh in the early 80s I walked the site, only to find a squatter in horrible conditions (an outhouse in 125° F would have been better). Turns out he was a Yemeni, a former slave in the Saud household. KSA abolished slavery in ‘63. That’s 1963. Colliding worlds?

    We Americans are so bloody lucky. We owe the WW1-2 generations much. Lately (given Iraq 2003, etc.), I wonder if we deserve it anymore. Maybe merit needs to earned by each generation? Wish I knew. Well, maybe not. Cassandra wasn’t very lucky.

    You both seem shell-shocked by Nazi/88/revisionism on UNZ. Furloughed for six months, I can only give impressions on return. Probably not up to standard. Here goes.

    Yes, the Blattella germanica infestation is alive and well. Some of it may be innocent (picture a 18-year old who’s been nourished lifelong by the dull-blue glow of the web, with all it’s bogus sources). Captain Kirk and Spock may be more real than most people he knows. Conspiracies and deep state scenarios? They bloom daily and, like junk food, are addictive. Give them time and information? And listen to what they say (who knows, they may discover the unique).

    Some are not so innocent. And are deliberately offensive. This has increased over the last six months. Nuance? Hell, they have the grace of junkyard thugs. Many post against Jews, Zionism and Israel – just as many insist everybody but Adolf started WW2. And everybody but Germany started WW1 (it was the Jews, Freemasons, or “French revanchism” don’t you know). The most entertaining insist FDR started WW2 (what a magical trick that was, given 7 & 11 Dec ‘41). Oh, I almost forgot – Iraq 2003 was all beacause of Israel (letting Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc. off the hook).

    I welcome civil discourse and different views, though I fancy I know what I think. I like to add to it daily. When it comes to blatant slimes, they say more about desperate correspondents than any argument they espouse. Such words – such blind hate – are a disfigurement. It’s as if they cut off their own nose to be repulsively confrontational, ‘cause that’s all they have left. They soil and shame only themselves. What reasonable person can take them seriously? But yes, responding to them can be a waste of time. Caveat emptor. But you knew that already.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @iffen
  317. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Walter Sobchak: Saturday, iffen, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don’t work, I don’t drive a car, I don’t fucking ride in a car, I don’t handle money, I don’t turn on the oven, and I sure as shit DON’T FUCKING WRITE COMMENTS FOR UR!

    None of Incitatus’ reasoned posts are anything close to misdirections, but on the contrary totally apropos.

    If I can’t trust the word of a free-booting capitalist, who can I trust. :)

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  318. Incitatus says:
    @anarchyst

    After the Iran War (1988-), Saddam was a threat: a large army close to Israel, and a history of Pan-Arab rhetoric for Palestinians (not that he really cared about them). His problem was war debt owed to other OPEC members (especially Kuwait), who refused to raise oil prices and enable repayment. April Glaspie’s “We [the US] have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait” (25 Jul 1990) has every appearance of a set up. Get Saddam to invade Kuwait, then insist he leave. He would have two options: withdraw (a revelation of weakness that would probably lead to a coup), or refuse and face armed force that would destroy his military strength. Both were neocon win/wins.

    After he invaded Kuwait (2-4 Aug 1990), the rest is history. Lesson? Don’t trust the Sabahs, neocons or people like April Glaspie.

    • Replies: @iffen
  319. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Yes, the Blattella germanica infestation is alive and well.

    Thanks for the compliment, Incitatus. Need a bit of clarification, though. Am I in the “innocent” or “not so innocent” cockroach category?

    Blattella germanica = cockroach

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  320. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    States Rights Gist

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_Rights_Gist

    Sally Hemings was a free woman in France, yet she re-entered slavery by returning with Jefferson to the US. True affection? Some historians think that she extracted a promise of freedom for her children, and which he did manumit in his will. I think he only freed one more out of hundreds.

    Would you clarify your position on Zionism and the existence of the State of Israel, you seem obscure in your comments.

    You write like an Anglishman, not a Murican.

    You both seem shell-shocked by Nazi/88/revisionism on UNZ.

    Not me.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  321. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Glaspie induced the invasion of Kuwait?

    Roosevelt massed the fleet and induced Pearl?

    Who snookered the Georgians?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  322. wayfarer says:

    Israel, the Self-Serving Nation

    Are American Taxpayers Underwriting Slavery, in Israel?

    World Wide White Slave Trade Centered in Israel

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/07/21/world-wide-white-slave-trade-centred-in-israel/

  323. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “If people can’t see that the expenditure of $6 trillion on the phony GWOT is detrimental to the interests of the American people, they are either blind or disingenuous.”

    Maybe both. The reason may be addictive deficit spending. Want that war? We’ll put it on layaway. No problem (except when your children realize they have to pay it).

    Sorry – I did miss the following:

    “So who would you say bears primary responsibility in this instance: the two schmucks who pulled the trigger, or JA and his partner, who were the eminence grise behind the scenes?”

    They should all be indicted and tried in courts of law. Same thing for the GWB administration and war-advocating neocons (I’ve long advocated that). ‘Israel firsters’? If they potentially committed Crimes against Peace or are complicit in Aggressive War, they should be indicted and tried. If they merely espouse affection for Israel, though I don’t agree with them, what’s the crime? Would you have arrested Irish-Americans who were fond of Republican Ireland?

    M&W are wonderful. I buy few books these days (I have about 3-4 hernias worth). I bought M&W after reading a library copy. No question they have laudable courage. Have you read Max Blumenthal? Chomskey’s Fateful Triangle? Kati Marton’s ‘A Death in Jerusalem’?

    I saw the Palestinian refuge camps in Jordan ‘76-’78. There’s no excuse. None at all. Palestinians I worked with were decent, skilled professionals. I’m not so sure about the PLO (never met any, so I don’t know).

    “the phony GWOT”

    You’re preaching to the choir. The US defense/security budget is obscene (and in many cases for dead weapons like the F-35 or Littoral Combat Ship). Now Trump wants to increase it 10%. That’s my point. There are a lot of people making a lot of money. And it’s not restricted by race, religion, or nationality.

    Will try to find and watch ‘Détroit on Fire’. Have you seen Denis Villeneuve’s ‘Incendies’? Very disturbing. Aeschylus visits the Lebanon circa 1980+.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  324. … the National Review is working hard to make us forget about employing the expression “neocon” because it is apparently rarely understood by the people who use the term. Plus its implied meaning is anti-Semitic in nature, something that David Brooks in an article pretty much denying that neocons really exist suggested thirteen years ago when he postulated that it was shorthand for “Jewish conservative.”

    For a figment of the imagination, it has been extraordinarily well documented by its creators!

    https://www.amazon.com/Neoconservatism-Autobiography-Idea-Irving-Kristol/dp/0028740211/

    • Replies: @L.K
  325. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    That’s my point. There are a lot of people making a lot of money. And it’s not restricted by race, religion, or nationality.

    iffen tried to make a similar point. See #219 for my response.

  326. @Incitatus

    Thanks, the lobsters here are awesome and within easy reach. Geo’s reply to you is better than my own and I hope you’ll be able to learn from it. Cheers

  327. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Sally Hemings was a free woman in France…”

    Damn! I always thought the French were in “The Axis of Weasels.” The NY Post was right! Where’s a man to go with his enslaved concubine these days?

    [Answer - our great comrade KSA (if you know the right people)].

    “Would you clarify your position on Zionism and the existence of the State of Israel, you seem obscure in your comments.”

    Sorry. I seem increasing deaf as age besets me. I was stupid enough to think I’ve been pretty clear. What do you want to know? If it’s an essay question do I get extra points?

    “You write like an Anglishman, not a Murican.”

    Spent time in London in school way back; later for business. Wonderful place, but too damned expensive. The duc de Westminster needn’t own everything. Museums? The best (the Louvre is too complex, even with Pei’s additions).

    America is still first in my book, though I’m beginning to wonder.

    Iffen, what do you think about the spreading European nationalism? Could I emigrate to France with my concubine (she’s not enslaved after all)? The food/wine in France was the best. Provence, Languedoc and the Dordogne are still a lot cheaper than the UK.

    “Not me.”

    Got it. Buckle up the old broadsword and go for it. Deus vult! (or Dieu le veut if you prefer).

    Glaspie didn’t give the orders, but, with her Delphic response, enabled Saddam (in my opinion) to confidently issue same. Wonder if he was surprised when called on it.

    FDR and Pearl Dec ‘41? Where were the carriers?

    As for the Georgians, you’re way, way above my pay grade.

    • Replies: @iffen
  328. @Sam Shama

    “I certainly don’t think you do misdirection, but that practice is rampant on these commentaries”

    So says Sam the Sham, the misdirection champ.

    Sam Shameless would be a name more apt to use.

  329. annamaria says:

    No wonder ziocons/Israel-firsters admire and support Clinton:
    “Sounds Like the Hillary State Dept Worked for Israel,” by Paul Craig Roberts

    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

    “The Hillary Clinton email below makes it clear that Washington orchestrated the Syrian “civil war” in order to have a cover for sending ISIS into Syria. Hillary should be arrested and tried for high treason and war crimes.”
    UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05794498 Date: 11/30/2015 RELEASE IN FULL

    Clinton: “The best way to help Israel deal with Iran’s growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad. Negotiations to limit Iran’s nuclear program will not solve Israel’s security dilemma.”

    What is the number of civilian casualties in Syria? – about half a million, including tens of thousands of children? Yes, we can, indeed. Taking money from Israel-firsters and Saudis to clear way back to WH. By any means. Or as Mr. Jeff Jarvis wrote sycophantically, “I want to say Merry Christmas to Hillary Clinton. I am grateful to you for running a campaign on principle, patriotism, decency, honesty, intelligence, optimism, maturity, experience.” – What else should we expect from the “progressive” New York University?
    Jeff Jarvis is professor and director of the Tow-Knight Center for Entrepreneurial Journalism at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism. He is an official fighter against “fake news,” that is, against alternative media. http://press.journalism.cuny.edu/2016/12/cuny-journalism-professor-leads-fight-against-fake-news/
    Here is one of Mr. Jarvis targets: “Journalist Eva Bartlett DESTROYS Mainstream Journalist Over Syria, Aleppo:” http://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/journalist-eva-bartlett-destroys-mainstream-journalist-syria-aleppo.html

  330. geokat62 says:

    To help shed some light on some of the topics we’ve been discussing, it may be insightful to read the confessions of an ex-neocon.

    Here are a couple of relevant excerpts from Philip Weiss’ ‘Ex-Neocon’ — Scott McConnell looks back on 20 years of ideological tumult:

    [MORE]

    Q. Ten years ago in March you emailed me the Israel lobby article from the London Review of Books, by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt. What do you think of that paper and that book? And how does it influence us today?

    Well I think The Israel Lobby is the most important political book to be published in this century [2007]. For a long time there have been these sort of hints of establishment malaise with the nature of our relationship with Israel. People think we’re too deferential to Israel or they say that the Palestinians are being unjustly denied a state or self-determination, and were unjustly cleansed from their land, and that we’ve put Israel on this huge moral pedestal, which is a mistake of judgement. This has been expressed before, perhaps most prominently by George Ball, who was maybe the smartest cabinet member of the Kennedy Johnson administration. But it tended to be expressed by people at the end of a long career. So it wouldn’t necessarily be followed through.

    So here suddenly you have two first rate academics and writers with all the skills of knowledge and synthesis and self-expression who publish this really detailed book when they’re still very much in their professional primes, and every point was argued as well as it could be done. There was no exaggeration, but there was no pulling back either. And I sensed that the first time I read the first three paragraphs of the LRB piece, I just felt that there was something special about the language, it had an exemplary combination of forcefulness and restraint. And it was done by – you know it’s not easy to be an international relations professor, it’s not easy to be a professor at the University of Chicago and Harvard, and it’s not easy to be at the top of that profession; and never before had this argument been done really so well, even if had had been bouncing around for a long time.

    Look, I have been doing research on 1956 and Dulles and Eisenhower, and you can see a lot of State Department people who show up in the archives, saying, Israel is going off the deep end here and why are Americans letting it happen, and can’t there be some counterpressure to all the pressure we’re getting from the Israel lobby? And that was in 1956, when all these problems were in embryo compared to now.

    So it’s extraordinary. I think books stay around, and people will be reading that book for a long time. I don’t know whether a book can change the world, but probably half of the activists in the Democratic Party essentially know its arguments and agree with it and it comes out in the Sanders movement and the struggle over the platform. Maybe 15 percent of Republicans do. Maybe not so much that anyone has to notice. But it’s there. Others have to take the ball and move it the next 15 or 20 yards. But they really moved it. Probably in football terms they took it from the 20 yard line to the 50.

    Q. Remind us, the Clean Break, what was that about?

    In the 90’s several pro-Israel neoconservative intellectuals wrote a kind of platform or an action plan for [Israeli PM Benjamin] Netanyahu who had just been elected for the first time, suggesting that Israel should a, not be involved in any American sponsored peace process, but also that the disruption of various states in the Middle East including Iraq, Lebanon and I think Syria, would be very much in Israel’s interests. Some people have linked this to various rightwing Israelis who were writing earlier.

    But basically yes– there’s a certain kind of rightwing Israeli analyst who thinks, We benefit from chaos for obvious reasons; strong states that have a scientific infrastructure and a middle class are a threat to Israel, but warring tribes are not. I think that was part of the impetus for the Iraq war, an unspoken one of course; people said that we have to bring democracy to Iraq, but I have to think that for neoconservatives, chaos in Iraq and the division into an ethnic sectarian war, was a quite possible outcome of our invasion, and they were fine with that.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/neocon-mcconnell-ideological/

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  331. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Thanks for the compliment, Incitatus. Need a bit of clarification, though. Am I in the “innocent” or “not so innocent” cockroach category?”

    My, you’re sensitive. Neither, unless you chose to be. I wasn’t referring to you. From what you’ve written I don’t think you’re a (let’s say it) a Neo-Nazi. I credit you with a zeal for holding Israel to account, sometimes in amplified rhetoric. But I don’t doubt you’re genuine. Why not? I’m interested in your views. Some I may agree with, some not.

    The Croton category refers to some who insist (for example) Adolf was forced into war. No, that’s not quite right. FDR and Churchill started the war. And those poor, poor Nazis – all the world was against them, don’t you know! The 25k killed in Dresden 1945 was a crime but no mention of the 25k killed in Warsaw ‘39 (it was ‘strategic’ when forced to comment). Tears shower down. How about 1914-18, another German martyrdom. WW1 was all the fault of (neutral) Belgium, France and Russia. They forced Germany to invade them (wink, wink). And at the end of the day (when stopped cold) it was the fault of Freemasons and Jews. Surprise, surprise!

    I have kin who fought in both wars, and some who were civilian casualties. They tell a different tale. Germans were twice bereft due to such rhetoric, the second time in the rubble of their homeland. Nobody won.

    UNZ ‘s Planet Germania posts are often liked to criticism of Israel. Zionism = Nazism, etc. Blah, Blah, Blah (Jew, Jew, Jew; Heil, Heil, Heil). It’s insulting to me, and I’m not Jewish. Got problems with Israel? Go for it! But don’t soil it with incendiary, bogus history or slurs. Those are the ones I referenced as in the nest.

    There you go. I’m sure there’s a storm of excrement coming my way. Maybe I’ll take a few days off.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Chuck Orloski
    , @L.K
  332. A look through my past comments should be enough to tell anyone that I am no apologist for Hitler (my father served as an officer in the British Army) but I simply must add the little discussed fact that the economic phase of WWII was initiated against Germany in 1933 by the international banking clique and the propaganda phase also began long before 1939.

    Certainly, Germany’s vast war machine was not built using the hot air from Hitler’s speeches but rather with the economic might of the same international banking cartel. It is no secret that they have been initiating and funding both sides of different wars for a very long time and continue to do so.

    WWII was “merely” the later phase of WWI just as WWIII, of which we are currently in the propaganda phase with the economic phase due at any time now, is a continuation of the redrawing of the global geopolitical map using war as the means, and all according to plan as stated in the Protocols. I know not who wrote them but certainly they are being followed and implemented to the letter as the means to global dominance. Out of chaos, order.

  333. MEexpert says:
    @wayfarer

    Thousands of US Non-Profits Donate to Israel

    As well as thousands of individuals and these donations are tax deductible.

  334. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Keith says:

    ” Maybe I’ll take a few days off ”

    Incitatus… during your self imposed sabbatical, I highly recommend you use the quality time to read the book: “The Chief Culprit”

    Hopefully the next time you you will be less likely to regurgitate Jewish and allied victors war propaganda.

    ” The Chief Culprit ”

    Who was responsible for starting WW2?

    Jewish Bolshevik Communists Russians and Jewish controlled Winston Churchill.

    Winston Churchill entire political career was financed by London’s Jewish Bankers.

    Not unlike our US politicians.

    This is why Great Britain declared war against Germany for attacking Poland, but never declared war against the Jewish Communist Russia for attacking and occupying Poland, just two weeks later.

    Germany a had legitimate right to reunite the German city of Danzig with the Reich. The Germany city of Danzig was given to Poland after WW1 as war booty. Russia had no legitimate claim to any Polish or any Eastern Europe territory.

    The first casualty of war is the truth. Remember, the allied victors, and now the Jewish Hasabaras, like you, write and promote the war propaganda.,

    The German Polish Danzig conflict was a pretext for war against Germany.

    WW2 was fought to protect Jewish interests in Europe. Just like the wars in the Middle East today. Iran is the new Germany.

    If the war was fought to protect Poland’s sovereignty, then why was Poland given to Communist Russia as war booty after the war?

    Please…, stop believing your own WW2 propaganda, and stop promoting NeoCon and Israel’s war propaganda.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Chuck Orloski
  335. annamaria says:
    @geokat62

    A follow up from Paul Craig Roberts

    “Let’s be honest. The US attack on Mosul, Iraq, is not an attack on ISIS. It it a repeat of Israel’s operation Cast Lead in Gaza. The purpose is to kill as many Muslims for Israel as possible. Here is the evidence:

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/reports-us-airstrikes-killed-230-civilians-in-mosul-overnight/

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/child-victims-of-mosul-overwhelm-emergency-hospital/

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/un-warns-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-400000-civilians-trapped-in-western-mosul/

    Remember, the reason ISIS is in Iraq and Syria is that the US equipped ISIS and sent ISIS to overthrow Assad when the British Parliament and the Russian government blocked Obama’s planned invasion of Syria. ISIS is Washington’s creation, just as is Al Qaeda.
    After 16 years and trillions of dollars, the Afghan Taliban still holds sway over “the world’s only superpower” http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/taliban-captures-strategically-important-sangin-district-in-southern-afghanistan/. Here is a US general’s excuse for America’s military defeat: http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/us-general-russia-perhaps-supplying-taliban/ It is the Russians’ fault!”

  336. annamaria says:
    @geokat62

    A follow up, ““Our Western Values” No Longer Exist,” from Paul Craig Roberts: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/03/24/western-values-no-longer-exist/

    “Let’s be honest. The US attack on Mosul, Iraq, is not an attack on ISIS. It it a repeat of Israel’s operation Cast Lead in Gaza. The purpose is to kill as many Muslims for Israel as possible. Here is the evidence: http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/reports-us-airstrikes-killed-230-civilians-in-mosul-overnight/

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/child-victims-of-mosul-overwhelm-emergency-hospital/

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/un-warns-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-400000-civilians-trapped-in-western-mosul/

    Remember, the reason ISIS is in Iraq and Syria is that the US equipped ISIS and sent ISIS to overthrow Assad when the British Parliament and the Russian government blocked Obama’s planned invasion of Syria. ISIS is Washington’s creation, just as is Al Qaeda.
    After 16 years and trillions of dollars, the Afghan Taliban still holds sway over “the world’s only superpower” http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/taliban-captures-strategically-important-sangin-district-in-southern-afghanistan/. Here is a US general’s excuse for America’s military defeat: http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/23/us-general-russia-perhaps-supplying-taliban/ It is the Russians’ fault!”

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Chuck Orloski
  337. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Believe it or not, I have no affection for Zionism or Zionists

    Expound on affection. Define Zionism and what it means for Israel today.

    FDR and Pearl Dec ‘41? Where were the carriers?

    Within the bulls eye if history is a guide. Of course yesterday’s fake news is today’s fake history.

    It’s puppets all the way up!

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  338. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Who snookered the Georgians?

    Putin accuses US of starting Georgia crisis as election ploy

    In an interview with CNN, Putin, seen as the main force behind Russia’s hammering of Georgia, amplified conspiracy theories aired in the Russian media – that the war was created by Dick Cheney, the US vice-president, and McCain to create an international crisis and fan anti-Russian hostility that would undermine Barack Obama’s chances of getting to the Oval Office. “The suspicion arises that someone in the United States especially created this conflict to make the situation more tense and create a competitive advantage for one of the candidates fighting for the post of US president,” Putin said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/29/russia.georgia

    • Replies: @iffen
  339. Avery says:
    @Anon

    {If the war was fought to protect Poland’s sovereignty, then why was Poland given to Communist Russia as war booty after the war?}

    Nothing was, quote, ‘given’ to ‘Russia’. btw: it was not ‘Russia’; it was Soviet Union.

    The Red Army, after crushing the Nazi war machine with great sacrifice, simply rolled over Poland and Eastern Europe in pursued of the tattered remains of the fleeing ‘Master Race’ . You may remember that the hammer & sickle was raised on the Reichstag, not the stars & stripes.

    The Red Army would have raced all the way to the English channel, if US and her allies had not landed in Europe in 1944 and raced to Berlin to block Stalin’s steamroller.

    • Replies: @Anon
  340. Art says:
    @Incitatus

    UNZ ‘s Planet Germania posts are often liked to criticism of Israel. Zionism = Nazism, etc. Blah, Blah, Blah (Jew, Jew, Jew; Heil, Heil, Heil). It’s insulting to me, and I’m not Jewish. Got problems with Israel? Go for it! But don’t soil it with incendiary, bogus history or slurs.

    Is this a gentleman’s debating society – “cheery-o my man – did you notice 9/11?” Or is this an anonymous forum where unmasked feelings can be expressed by both sides. (Thank you Mr. Unz.) Both have their place in a free society. Free speech is the ultimate safety valve. Sometimes people like me with meager communications skills, us truthful exaggerated ridicule to blunt the outrageous statements of the opposition.

    “(Jew, Jew, Jew; Heil, Heil, Heil)” – here is reality – I remind you that the people who yell “Heil” the loudest are Jews. Jew Hollywood will not let WWII Germany go. They use it as a wiping boy to keep Western society under their thumb.

    “(Jew, Jew, Jew; Heil, Heil, Heil)” – another reality – “Jew” is the most toxic word in the Western vocabulary. The West has been conditioned to avoid its use. Saying it and hearing it, is toxic to the Western mind. Fear of attack is automatic when the word “Jew’ is uttered.

    I do not think that you appreciate the gravity of the situation in the West and ME.

    Peace – Art

  341. @Incitatus

    “The 25K killed in Dresden 1945 was a crime but no mention of the 25K killed in Warsaw 1939.”

    InZitatus,

    Sentences (like the one above) will naturally draw a storm of excrement upon yourself.

    My paternal grandfather was born in Poland, and from poor “stock,” he immigrated to the U.S.sometime during the 1930s.

    During the late-1950′s, on Christmas day, my father Charlie would bring me along to visit his father, my “Dziadek.” My memories of him are quite painful, he worked local Scranton underground mines, and he was a severe alcoholic. Sorrowfully, he died of “Black Lung,” financially broke, and I do not even know where Dziadek is buried.

    Later in my life, my Aunt Susan understood Polish and she recounted the extremely hard life that my Dziadek endured while living there. Below is an article, which at the center, brews a storm of truth which could convert a portion of your historical excrement into valuable life ENERGY.

    https://www.radioislam.org/thetruth/07poland.htm

    Any “tears shower down” from you for Polish peasants?

    Lastly– InZitatus — in your Unz comments, you consistently come off as a George Plimpton -level Know-It-All / “Been There Done That” Advanced Phony. For one example, your boast about being a cousin of General P.G. Beauregard. If you do plan to “take a few days off” from Unz, maybe you can capitalize on this Johnny Reb relationship, and try to get on an ancestry.com TV commercial? Go for it… and be sure to “look away, look away” from the Jews who brought slaves to Dixie Land!

  342. […] cikk jóval hosszabb többi része itt olvasható tovább :Forrás: The UNZ Review / Lovas […]

  343. This is comment #328 or so. It’s absolutely amazing how many words are wasted talking and writing about Jews. It’s really quite simple. The Jews are political, not productive creatures. Everything the Jew does is politically motivated and about political control. Everything. That Jews gravitate to positions of political power should surprise no one. That political power is most effective when hidden from those it seeks to control should surprise no one as well. Consequently real political power does not reside in our visible democratic political institutions, i.e. government, but resides instead in the non-political institutions that surround it. Banking/finance/insurance are the greatest and most powerful of these institutions, followed by law, mass media and entertainment, education, and private foundations and charities. Judaism itself is much less a religion than it is a tyrannical political institution hiding behind its ancient religion. That political creatures like the Jews should create, propagandize and legalize a hate-filled term like “antisemitism” and then herd all descriptive terms that are indicative of Jewish political power into its orbit should surprise no one as well. Language is the means by which ideas are developed and circulated, and to make certain words off limits from discussion prevents thoughts from being expressed, the sharing of which can turn those thoughts into ideas that can be acted upon politically.

  344. @Anon

    “If (WW II) was fought to protect Poland’s sovereignty, then why was Poland given to Communist Russia as war booty?”

    Hey anon (Keith),

    Thanks very much for asking InZitatus the excellent question above.

    F.Y.I., there’s a book called “I Saw Poland Betrayed” written by the war time U.S. Ambassador to Poland, Blake.

    Scholars (by 50%) who taught at U.S. universities throughout the 1950s-1990s made the counter claim that the allies had to give Stalin “something” in return because of the loss of so much Russian blood while defeating Germany. One of that “something” was Poland, and while in Vermont exile, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote about that crime against humanity and he fell out of President Carter’s favor!

    “Poof.” EnZitatus should read Amb. Blake’s book and learn how Stalin ordered his Red Army to stand down at Warsaw’s border perimeter while Polish resistance fighters & “Nazis” fought one another to death. (Note: The late-Poland born author, Jan Karski, adopted & honored by deceptive U.S. Zionists, described the Communists’ deviate experimental battle in his book, “Story of the Secret State”)

    post scriptum: As I have hit back at InZitatus’s girdled propaganda, below is a poem that I wrote about my Poland-born grandfather’s hardships as an underground anthracite coal miner in the Scranton, PA area.

    In an earlier comment posting to P.G.’s article on the dreadful Neoconservative plague on our land, InZitatus wailed about his having found a slave in Saudi Arabian custody. (Sigh) The best I can say is that InZitatus, who claims to not be Jewish, is just another slick & sick variation of Sam “The Sham” Shama’s propaganda. Below is “Dziadek’s House”with telling images.

    http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2017/03/18/dziadeks-house.php

  345. geokat62 says:
    @annamaria

    Great post, annamaria. This is my favourite excerpt from PCR’s column:

    Why are the Democratic Party, the liberal/progressive/left, the twin idiots John McCain and Lindsey Graham, and the American and European peoples so unconcerned with the waste of trillions of dollars in the destruction of millions of lives and the infrastructures of Muslim countries along with the reputation of the Western World? How can it be that tranny toilet facilities are more important than the West’s ongoing gratuitous destruction of Muslim countries?

    Why is the liberal/progressive/left helping the military/security complex add Russia to the list of Western Civilization’s war crimes?

    How much evidence is required before it is clear that Western Civilization is empty of integrity, judgment, reason, morality, empathy, compassion, self-awareness, truth, empty of everything that Western Civilization once respected?

    All that is left of the West is insouciance and unrestrained evil.

  346. MEexpert says:

    I would like the see this picture of the “war criminals” posted in every post office.

  347. @annamaria

    Hey annamaria,

    I second geokat62′s motion to herald your posting of Paul Craig Roberts article!

    However, there is something troubling about the late-2016 to present articles written by Mr. Roberts.

    Determining who actually did 9-11 is no longer topical for Paul Craig Roberts. In the past, he daringly challenged the Bush administration’s “9-11 Commission Report,” directed by arch-Zionist, phony, P. Zelikow.

    As you might be aware, Counterpunch editors, J. St Clair & A Cockburn, scalded Mr. Roberts (in Judean olive oil) for his honest and brave commentary!

    Right now, it’s obvious that Americans are only allowed to challenge the reasons for the unnecessary & immoral April 2003 attack on Iraq. The rest are collectively packaged & branded mindless “9-11 Truthers.”

    Why is such the case, annamaria? Even the politically astute veteran, Pat Buchanan, will not dare dip his Roman Catholic fingers into the (Zionist excavated) bottomless pit of determining who really did 9-11.

    This near-absent feature of “comment” exchanges (here at The Unz Review) of naming the real perps of 9-11 is troubling to me. Calling out the criminal band of Neoconservatives for today’s wreckage is a very good antidote. But it all smacks of the acceptable blaming of CIA and the U.S. war machine for the JFK murder & coup. The Result: Deeply hidden Tel Aviv-based criminal figures remain at large, hidden, and still on-the-snow-job.

    Just because the W. Bush administration’s LIES for going to war against CIA-asset Saddam are exposed does not mean that Americans should forget about lying reasons for the late-2001 U.S. attack on Afghanistan in retaliation for 9-11!

    In the recent past, I raised this crucial issue before to the very honorable geokat62, but he has yet to respond. (sigh) In your comment, annamaria, there’s a “link” to an article on how the Taliban manages to thwart the U.S/Zionist awesome political & military power. Can you please consider offering a comment on the perps of 9-11 who manged to bring the broken U.S. into “The Graveyard of Empires”?

    Is it a “settled” fact that 19 Arabs with box cutters took down the W.T.C. towers — of course with K.S.M.’s key management skills?

    I would truly like to honor Paul Craig Roberts by accepting his words at 100 %. But given his present lapse regarding exposure of the lies surrounding 9-11 and concentration on the lies of April 2003 , it’s like Mr. Roberts wants to finger the “Shock & Awe” thunder & outpouring rain, and deny the dark cloudy (causal) figures behind 9-11. What happened to P.C.R.?

    The Zionist organ grinders change tunes. They permit when a portion of the W. Bush administration demonic lies are exposed, and the U.S. monkeys can dance to their tune. However, only “dancing Israeli” 9-11 celebrants (those caught red handed by N.J. police)
    are not called upon to “name that tune.”

    Respectfully,both annamaria & geokat62, can you please consider offering a response to me? In preparation for war, Israels’ evacuating its people to safe zones. The U.S. population is running out of time before being pressed to intervene on behalf of the Jews’ open goal for territorial expansion. Thank you.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  348. L.K says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Indeed, the shameless lying by the Hasbara brigade here and their pathetic attempts at obfuscating the fact that Neoconservatism is a Jewish intellectual and political movement tied to Israeli interests is belied by the neocons themselves! Here is another one, the author, Murray Friedman, is himself a self-avowed Jewish neo-con. ‘The Neoconservative Revolution: Jewish Intellectuals and the Shaping of Public Policy’.

    “This is the first history of the development of American Jewish political conservatism and the rise of a group of Jewish intellectuals and activists who are known as neoconservatives…who have had a powerful impact on American public policy, including the run up to and aftermath of the war in Iraq.”

    https://www.amazon.com/Neoconservative-Revolution-Jewish-Intellectuals-Shaping/dp/0521545013

    • Replies: @L.K
  349. annamaria says:

    Going to the source: “Russia readies backup system for potential “split with international banking system” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-25/russia-readies-back-system-potentially-explosive-split-international-banking-system
    “Preparations inside Russia are being made in case the ultimate banking sanctions are placed on them, cutting off commerce inside the all-encompassing Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecomm SWIFT system – which runs credit, debt, and banking card transactions across a real time global network. … The Rothschild presence in Russia has been challenged; Soros-front NGOs have been kicked out, and it seems that only all out war will ever settle these power plays for the dominance or death of the U.S. petrodollar, which is ultimately controlled by the same few hands that steer and control the central banks of nearly all the world’s nations.”
    Russia is facing the “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money,” (in the words of Matt Taibbi, http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405). The financial sector (the great vampire squid) is doubtlessly preparing to wrestle for access to Russian “blood funnel” by any means, including nuclear conflict. War profiteers of all stripes are at hand.
    The private banking cartel of Federal Reserve is upset with Russia, hence the loud and coordinated chorus of presstitutes, whoring congresspeople, and neocons demonizing Russian federation. Overseas, the poodeling vassals UK, Norway, Poland, Sweden and other NATO “peacemakers” are amassing on the Russian borders to protect the Baltic states and Ukraine from alleged “Russian aggression.” The dwindling populations of Baltic states and Ukraine are currently enjoying the “western values” by showing acute Russophobia and by giving support for neo-nazism. See Latvian, Estonian, and Lithuanian parades celebrating various local “heroes” that till recently were recognized by Europeans as war criminals. Not anymore. http://defendinghistory.com/category/neo-nazi-and-pro-fascist-marches

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/02/25/purim-in-lithuania-a-season-for-state-approved-neo-nazi-city-center-marches/

  350. L.K says:
    @L.K

    Oh no, no, but there are all these other guys who are also neocons and are not Jewish, protest the Hasbara trolls, like inZitatus and sam Shameless. Well, as Prof.MacDonald explains, there is no contradiction there at all, in fact it is one of the characteristics of Jew intellectual and political movements to have ‘Non-Jews appear in highly visible roles, often as spokespersons for the movement.’ It is obviously a good tactic too.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/understandji-3.htm

  351. L.K says:

    Prof.MacDonald describes the neocons as “In alliance with virtually the entire organized American Jewish community, neoconservatism is a vanguard Jewish movement with close ties to the most extreme nationalistic, aggressive, racialist and religiously fanatic elements within Israel.” He goes on to explain that

    “Neoconservatism does not fit the pattern of the Jewish intellectual movements described in The Culture of Critique, characterized by gurus (“rabbis”) and their disciples centered around a tightly focused intellectual perspective in the manner of Freud, Boas, or Marcuse. Neoconservatism is better described in general as a complex interlocking professional and family network centered around Jewish publicists and organizers flexibly deployed to recruit the sympathies of both Jews and non-Jews in harnessing the wealth and power of the United States in the service of Israel. As such, neoconservatism should be considered a semicovert branch of the massive and highly effective pro-Israel lobby, which includes organizations like the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)—the most powerful lobbying group in Washington—and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA).”

  352. @iffen

    “If I can’t trust the word of a free-booting capitalist, who can I trust?”

    Hey ‘iffen-iffen,

    Having mentally allied with Sam The Sham, I empathize with your at present (futile) search for someone you can trust.

    Following is a quote from President Harry S. Truman: “The only new thing in this world is the history you don’t know.”

    Soon and tentative to Jews allowing it’s availability in the U.S.A., there s a new book coming, titled, “JFK Among the Germans; Travel Diaries & Letters, 1937-1945.” One JFK quote included in the new book is his very important question: “What are the evils of fascism as compared to communism?”

    Can you take a stab at that, ‘iffen-iffen?

    I know how you’re taught to think obediently, but prior to the required denunciation, please consider looking at the advance press on the book below?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329556/How-JFK-secretly-ADMIRED-Hitler-Explosive-book-reveals-Presidents-praise-Nazis-travelled-Germany-Second-World-W

    Note that JFK came from quite a successful capitalist family? Peace be with you!

  353. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Respectfully,both annamaria & geokat62, can you please consider offering a response to me?

    Hey, Chuck. Needless to say, the topic of 9/11 has been hotly debated here at Unz. My views on this topic are well documented. As you know, I place a great deal of emphasis on a fact-based approach, and will embrace an argument only if there is sufficient evidence to support it.

    That said, the most convincing hard evidence, in my opinion, that we have on the record of anything untoward re 9/11 has been compiled into a memorandum by Gerald Shea, an international corporate lawyer. Instead of the phony congressional investigations into the fake news about Russian interference in the recent presidential election, there should be a formal investigation into the Israeli involvement surrounding 9/11, including the 13 conclusions included in Shea’s memorandum.

    Here’s a previous exchange I had with Sam on this topic:

    What do you make of this evidence, Sam:

    The best source that documents the activities of the Israelis is a memorandum prepared by Gerald Shea, an international corporate lawyer. He submitted it to the 9/11 Commission back on September 15, 2004. In it, he pleads for a public inquiry on the basis of Israeli Surveillance of the Future Hijackers and FBI Suspects in the September 11 Attacks and Their Failure to Give Us Adequate Warning.

    Here’s the intro:

    I am an international corporate lawyer, writing to you today about a matter of public policy that is relevant to the circumstances surrounding, and our preparedness for, the catastrophic attacks on September 11, 2001. I do not know whether the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks (the “Commission”) or the Senate and House Committees on Intelligence (the “Committees”) have had the opportunity to consider these issues carefully. If so, I hope this memorandum will be helpful. If not, I respectfully urge them, in accordance with the mandate of the Commission’s charter and in the exercise of the Committees’ responsibilities, to investigate the facts and resolve the questions presented.

    Here’s the Detailed Summary:

    Set forth below is a detailed summary of the tentative conclusions reached in this memorandum, which amply illustrate the urgent need for a public inquiry into the activities of the Israeli DEA Groups and the Israeli New Jersey Group. The inquiry must include, without limitation, the examination of members of the Israel Groups and related persons; officials of the Israeli government and certain of its agencies, including Mossad; FBI suspects, agents of the DEA, the INS and the FBI; certain local law enforcement officials; agents of the CIA (in camera to the extent required); other intelligence sources cited by the public press to the extent possible; the boxes of documents and computer hard drives (referred on page 29) seized by the FBI from the Israeli New Jersey Group; and of all other relevant documents, reports, communiqués and information.–

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Chuck Orloski
  354. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Here are the 13 conclusions:

    [MORE]

    1. The Israeli DEA Groups were spying on the Drug Enforcement Agency and thus upon the United States. The DEA itself has concluded that they were probably engaged in organized intelligence gathering on our soil.

    2. A highly regarded American journal knowledgeable about Israeli affairs, has concluded (a) based on its own sources, that the Israeli DEA Groups were spying on radical Islamic networks suspected of links to Middle East terrorism, and (b) based on the representations of a former American intelligence official regularly briefed on these matters by law enforcement officials, that (i) at least two members of the Israeli New Jersey Group were Mossad operatives, (ii) Urban Moving, the company used by the Israeli New Jersey Group, was a front for Mossad and its operatives, and (iii) the Israeli New Jersey Group was spying on local Arabs.

    3. The intelligence sources of a substantial American television network report that the Israeli DEA Groups may have gathered information about the September 11 attacks in advance, and not shared it with the United States. One investigator said that evidence linking the Israeli DEA Groups to such intelligence gathering was classified and could not be disclosed.

    4. The Israeli DEA Groups were comprised of 125 or more Israelis operating on our soil. Their leaders and apparent associates included military commanders and experts with military backgrounds in intelligence, electronic intercepts and telecommunications.

    5. The wiretapping and intelligence expertise of members of both Israeli Groups, and the use of vans in local neighborhoods where the future hijackers were planning the attacks, and the extensive use by the hijackers of cell phones and land lines, made the Israeli Groups ideally suited to gather information regarding the hijackers’ plans.

    6. The principal operation of the Israeli DEA Groups was located in and around Hollywood, Florida, the central training and staging ground for the hijacking of North and South Tower Planes and the Pennsylvania Plane. The addresses and places of residence of the members of the Israeli DEA Groups in Hollywood itself were within hundreds of yards those of the future hijackers.

    7. The operations of both the Israeli New Jersey Group and the hijackers of the Pentagon Plane were centered in Hudson and Bergen Counties in New Jersey, within a common radius of about six miles.

    8. All five celebrating members of the Israeli New Jersey Group arrested on September 11 were aware, when the North Tower Plane struck the World Trade Center, based on their immediate reaction to the attack and the information said to be contained in their van, that the attack had been planned and carried out by Arab terrorists.

    9. After being questioned by the FBI on September 11, the leader of the Israeli New Jersey Group immediately fled the United States to Israel. His name and aliases appear, along with those of the hijackers and other FBI suspects, on the May 2002 FBI Suspect list.

    10. Israeli intelligence officials have reported that two senior officials of Mossad warned the United States in August 2001 that as many as 200 terrorists on American soil were planning an imminent large-scale attack on high visibility targets on the American mainland. One press report states that in August Mossad provided the CIA with the names of future hijackers Khaled al Mihdhar and Nawaf al Hazmi.

    11. The CIA’s explanation of how Mihdhar’s and Hazmi’s names were placed on the Watchlist through the spontaneous efforts of CIA and FBI agents is not only difficult to follow but, as the sole reason for the Watchlisting, hardly credible.

    12. Mossad’s own information appears to have come from its sources inside the United States. All of the facts and circumstances set forth in this memorandum appear to show that Mossad’s two likely sources of information were: (a) the Israeli DEA Groups, comparable in number to that of the Arab suspects and who appear to have tracked the future hijackers in their central places of operation and in other states, and (b) the Israeli New Jersey Group, operating through their Mossad front in another principal locus of operations of the future hijackers, two of whom were Mossad agents, and five of whom appeared immediately aware of the origin of the attacks on September 11.

    13. While little direct evidence supports the contention that the CIA was aware of or condoned the Israeli Groups’ tracking of Arab terrorist groups in the United States prior to September 11, the CIA’s pressing for the expulsion of members of the Israeli DEA Groups when they were detained before September 11, their failure to cooperate with the FBI, their circuitous explanation of how the above two hijackers were placed on the Watchlist, and other relevant considerations require that the issue be taken up as a part of the public inquiry into these painful events.

    http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf

  355. annamaria says:

    The neocon-approved message.
    The Netflix-created, and Oscars-promoted, video of the criminal White Helmets: https://off-guardian.org/2017/03/17/white-helmets-video-macabre-manipulation-of-dead-children/
    “A notably peculiar factor of the White Helmet footage of this alleged attack is that they do not film any external shots of the attack itself, despite their declared anticipation of being targeted, having “heard” helicopters. Instead, the only footage is of an enclosed indoor space with no contextual filming to evidence where they are in Syria or that an attack has just taken place. The indoor environment certainly resembles a makeshift hospital emergency room. White Helmet “rescuers” parade in and out, manhandling and maneuvering the limp, lifeless bodies of three children. The naked bodies of these children have no external, visible injuries and do not respond when the various “medics” perform all manner of ostensibly “life-saving” procedures, in a haphazard effort to resuscitate these children.
    Dr Leif Elinder, a known Swedish medical doctor, author and specialist in pediatrics: ” After examination of the video material, I found that the measures inflicted upon those children, some of them lifeless, are bizarre, non-medical, non-lifesaving, and even counterproductive in terms of life-saving purposes of children”.
    Dr Lena Oske, a Swedish medical doctor and general practitioner: “Intracutaneous injection with adrenalin may be used if any other resuscitation measure does not succeed. Especially under precarious circumstances – such as in field emergency settings– where safer ways for the administration of medication (i.e. endotracheal, intravenous, or intraosseus) might be difficult or unavailable. But not in the way shown in the video. In order to perform the injection, CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) has to be interrupted, and then the CPR resumed immediately after. Which is not done in the procedures shown in the video.”
    “… the doctor who wrote the comment, ‘If not already dead, this injection would have killed the child’ was right! What a macabre scene; and how sad.”

    But the Netflix owner Reed Hastings and the presidents of Oscars Cheryl Boone Isaacs do not need any informed opinions. The neocons’ forceful endorsement is more than enough for these profiteers on human misery.
    The Oscars trustees: http://www.oscars.org/about/board-of-trustees
    The Oscars governors (with the pics of the governors): http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/oscars/board-behind-oscars-white-male-article-1.2504899

  356. RobinG says:

    “Instead of the phony congressional investigations into the fake news about Russian interference in the recent presidential election, there should be a formal investigation into the Israeli involvement surrounding 9/11….”

    Why limit it to 9/11? There’s plenty of Israeli interference before and after 9/11.

    BTW, Mother Jones magazine is seeking a DC “Foreign Influence/National Security Reporter .” Do you think this will include “foreign interference” by Israel?

    https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/wri/6056791297.html

    “Mother Jones is looking for an experienced reporter to……. pursue stories around foreign interference in US politics and national security.”

  357. @geokat62

    “I place a great deal of emphasis on a fact-based approach.”

    That’s precisely why I posed the question to both you and annamaria. Recall I did not ask for either Sham The Shams’s or InZitatus’s prejudiced thoughts?

    On a few occasions, on P. Giraldi’s fantastic 9-11 article that exceeded 1,000 comments, I mentioned what I (for on)e considered “facts” as presented in Christopher Bollyn’s book, “Solving 9-11.”

    As I understand comment # 358, you’re quite confident in the impressive & brave 911 “memorandum” provided by attorney Gerald Shea. I am too… peace be upon him.

    However, I would really like to know if you had the opportunity to read Mr. Bollyn’s “Solving 9-11.” He did a “helluva job” with research and his facts & conclusions were not meant to “Brown nose” the criminal W. Bush Neoconservatives.

    I perfectly understand reasons why honest & brave individuals shy away from Christopher Bollyn’s 9-11 findings.

    But to trump Mr. Bollyn’s works with Mr. Shea’s “memorandum” is crockery that serves to perpetuate more intense False Flags and further along the project to destroy America. I believe you know that…, and the subsequent chasing down & arresting of today’s Neocons becomes all the much more difficult.
    .
    Thanks very much, George! Perhaps annamaria will intervene here?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @L.K
  358. L.K says:
    @Incitatus

    inZitatus: ‘I’m sure there’s a storm of excrement coming my way’

    No, dear asshole, the storm of excrement was already provided …. by yourself.

    A Hasbara troll and liar such as yourself talking about ‘bogus history’?? What a sad joke.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  359. L.K says:
    @zzz

    Iffen is this a friend of yours?

    ***************

    JERUSALEM — A Jewish teenager in Israel made a wave of threats to Jewish institutions in the United States and other countries…

    LOL. This ain’t the first or second time I see this kinda thing either!

  360. wayfarer says:

    Working Americans Required to Pay for Israel’s $2,016,500,000,000.00 GWOT Silver Spoon.

    https://www.thebalance.com/war-on-terror-facts-costs-timeline-3306300

  361. L.K says:

    Hasbara troll inZitatus tries here the old canard that Iraq was – at least largely – a war for oil or a bunch of other things, in order to exonerate the Jewish power configuration and its lobbies, the key and decisive agents in bringing about that war and the fraudulent war on terror. This kind of crap has long been debunked by various authors. Dr.Siniegoski, in his book ‘The Transparent Cabal’, devotes chapter 18(Oil and other arguments for the war) to refute the various spurious excuses. See also see chapters 3(Who are the Neocons) and 4(The Israeli Origins of the Middle East war Agenda). Prof.James Petras, in his ‘The Power of Israel in the USA’ covers much of it in Chapter 13. ‘Noam Chomsky and the pro-Israel lobby: 15 erroneous theses’.Book is available at http://www.coalitionoftheobvious.com/17112929-Petras-J-The-Power-of-Israel-in-the-United-States-2006.pdf
    Prof.Petras on Gatekeeper Chomsky;

    “Despite his respected reputation for documenting, dissecting, and exposing the hypocrisy of the US and European regimes and acutely analyzing the intellectual deceptions of imperial apologists, these analytical virtues are totally absent when it comes to discussing the formulation of US foreign policy in the Middle East, particularly the role of his own ethnic group, or the Jewish pro-Israel Lobby and their zionist supporters in the government[...]History is replete with intellectual critics of all imperialisms except their own…

    • Replies: @geokat62
  362. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    I perfectly understand reasons why honest & brave individuals shy away from Christopher Bollyn’s 9-11 findings.

    Hey, Chuck. I am totally prepared to embrace CB’s findings, provided there is sufficient evidence to support them. I have just begun reading his book, so I’m not in a position to determine what these new findings are. But, perhaps, you could share a few of these key findings with us, along with the hard supporting evidence.

    I am eager to see what additional conclusions you think should be added to the 13 Gerald Shea included in his memorandum.

  363. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    Keith Says:

    “Is wasn’t Russia; it was the Soviet Union.”

    No… you should be more specific.

    It was the Jewish Bolshevik Soviet Union.

    Evidently you didn’t watch the video
    ” The Chief Culprit”

    If you did you would have learned that Hitler’s attack (Operstion Barbarossa) on the Soviet Union was a preemptive strike.

    In the 192os, the Jewish Bolsheviks Soviets were already planning to make great sacrifices in their preparation to take over Europe.

    Did you get amnesia and forget about the nonaggression pact ( Molotov – Ribbentrop Pact) between the Master Race and the Soviet Union.

    Giving the Soviets the green light to invade Poland and Finland.

    In the 1939 the Soviets were not fighting the master race. The Jewish Bolshevicks
    were busy murdering thousands of Christian Orthodox Russians and murdering Poles in the Kaytn Forrest.

    When the NKDV Bolsheviks got to Poland, they made great sacrifices. They wasted a great deal of ammunition by putting a round into the back of the heads of the Polish military command, intellectuals, priests, and nuns. Then the NKVD burried the massacred Poles in mass graves.

    When the Soviets got to Berlin and put the Hammer & Sickle on the Reichstag,
    the photo had to cropped because each heroic soldiers had several stolen watches on each of their arms as they raised the flag.

    I notice you didn’t address my question as to why the west didn’t declare war against
    the Soviets for invading Poland.

    Yes, the West gave all of Eastern Europe and half of Germany to the war criminal Soviets.

    Did you forget George Patton wanted to push the Soviets out of Europe, but he was murdered by ?

    • Replies: @Avery
  364. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,
    I agree with you. However, geokat’s position re 9-11 is different from ours.
    In fact, I no longer know what his position is, though not long ago, he seemed to go along with the official ‘OBL/AL-CIADA did it’ BS.
    Also, In the 9-11 truth movement, there are people who just do not want to investigate the israeli angle, aka, the elephant in the room. It could be tactical to a degree.
    Have you seen this?
    US Marine Corps veteran, Vietnam veteran, graduate of the US Army War College & a Director of Studies at the US Army War College for over 5 years, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, says that after studying the facts surrounding 9/11 he is 100% certain that ISRAEL DID IT.
    Listen to what he says:

    @1:14 more or less, Dr.Sabrosky says that if the American people find out about it, Zionism and Israel are finished.”it’ll be a brutal war, and they are gone”.

    The stakes are high, Chuck, so the ZPC will use all its power and influence to never allow the truth to surface.
    Taker care.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @geokat62
  365. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Would you clarify your position on Zionism and the existence of the State of Israel, you seem obscure in your comments.”
    “Define Zionism and what it means for Israel today.”

    Extra credit for essay questions? Testing me, or after my poor attempt to recount the history? No idea of your motives, but your zeal is becoming rather aromatic.

    Zionism? It’s a ridiculously broad question. How do you regard European colonization of North America? Good or bad? For it or against it? A lot depends on which end of the gun you’re on.

    Safe to say if Palestinian I’d probably hate Zionism, and not without cause. If Jewish, I’d probably be all for it (though some – Chomsky, Blumenthal, Finkelstein et.al. -are quite critical). It’d be more interesting to ask Muslim Israelis what they feel.

    I’m none of those, so it really doesn’t matter what I think. I’ll confine my remarks to those of a distant observer.

    • Peaceful emigration to Ottoman Palestine or the Mandate: where law was observed and compensation rendered, it seems benign and uncontroversial.

    • Terrorism and ethic cleansing, on the other hand, are hard to excuse. Irgun, Stern Gang, Lehi – they were terrorists. Ask relatives of Lord Moyne, Folke Bernadotte, André Sérot. Ask families of those lost in the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

    What did Reagan think about terrorism?

    “In our world there are innumerable groups and organizations with grievances, some justified, some not. Only a tiny fraction has been ruthless enough to try to achieve their ends through vicious and cowardly acts of violence upon unarmed victims…as the quip goes—”One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.” That’s a catchy phrase, but also misleading. Freedom fighters do not need to terrorize a population into submission. Freedom fighters target the military forces and the organized instruments of repression keeping dictatorial regimes in power. Freedom fighters struggle to liberate their citizens from oppression and to establish a form of government that reflects the will of the people. Now, this is not to say that those who are fighting for freedom are perfect or that we should ignore problems arising from passion and conflict. Nevertheless, one has to be blind, ignorant, or simply unwilling to see the truth if he or she is unable to distinguish between those I just described and terrorists. Terrorists intentionally kill or maim unarmed civilians, often women and children, often third parties who are not in any way part of a dictatorial regime. Terrorists are always the enemies of democracy…”
    -Ronald Reagan, Radio Address to the Nation on Terrorism 31 May 1986

    Reagan would never have associated those words with Zionism, of course. But does the shoe fit? [it’s hardly surprising James Baker was a deal breaker when it came to Sheldon Adelson’s support of ‘Jeb!’].

    OK, where are we? Terrorism in Zionism. Is there terrorism in European colonization of North America? You bet! Especially if you have native roots. But natives also used it. Have a look at King Philip’s War (1675-78). The Iroquois vs French (70+ years: the film ‘Black Robe’ is reasonably accurate). The Battle of Jumonville Glen (George Washington no less). Some pretty grisly stuff. Sawed off fingers, flaying, immolation, disembowelment, infanticide. You name it. To say nothing of the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee.

    The act itself is what one has to live with. We each come into this world alone, we leave alone. We are individually responsible for what we do, whatever the reason. No excuses. Simon Wiesenthal says something to the effect that forgiveness depends first on a very specific acknowledgment of the act (as well as what RCs call contrition). I think he’s right.

    There’s also Nüremberg. Some call it victor’s justice. They’re right of course. When in history did the vanquished try the victors? The hope was to endow posterity with universal cautionary principles. Sadly, given Iraq 2003 and the world we live in today, I fear it did not.

    I’m not religious. Don’t believe in Paradise or Heaven (I’d be bored halfway into eternity, then what?). The reward from moral action is immediate – it makes you feel better. Live better. Ever volunteer in a retirement home? Care for an aged parent? I’m satisfied with doing the best I can now, and adding to the human compost heap when the time comes.

    Zionism/Israel looking forward – minimum hopes:
    • Compensation to legitimate Palestinian refuges (failing right of return);
    • Two state solution or phased citizenship for Palestinians;
    • End US political meddling in Israel (next year it’ll be 70 – old enough to make it’s own decisions);
    • End shipping free weapons to the region: our defense industry is rich enough.

    If you desire a more complete list refer to my response to ‘alexander’ 6 September 2016.

    I’ve no dog in the fight, nor any reason to think Israelis or Palestinians should listen to me. God forbid. I’m preoccupied with trying to choose the right paths in my life, and that’s hard enough.

    • Replies: @iffen
  366. @L.K

    Hey L.K.,

    I am aware about Dr. Alan Sabrosky’s facts on 9-11 and his logical conclusion that Israelis did it. He is Jewish and I would love to read Sam The Sham’s, InZitatus’s & iffen’s thoughts on Mr Sabrosky’s findings.

    Thanks for passing along the You Tube video which I have yet to watch.

    Regarding your take on geokat62, my rather limited exposure to his usual forthright views on 9-11 go back to Mr. Giraldis’ explosive article on 9-11.

    No doubt, he does stand up for principles that rattle liars who choose to make comments here that are designed to defend the indefensible… but something is missing. (Sigh) Recently, geokat62 stood with me as a brother-in-truth and declared he’d like to visit me in our Taylor apartment. The door is open.

    Soon, & as requested in geo’s comment # 367, I will assess Attorney Gerald Shea’s “13 conclusions” and see if there’s anything I can add. Frankly, I am astonished George has yet to read C. Bollyn’s seminal “Solving 9-11,” and now he wants me to delineate the plethora of “facts” available in the book. (Sigh) I had an impulse to shout back, “Google-search Bollyn, & 9-11 and evidence & facts will be in front of your nose for your discernment!”

    At this point, L.K., the best I can hope for is geokat62′s being open to Mr. Bollyn’s evidence. Indeed, as you state, “The stakes are high… and the ZPC will use all its power to send truth to the scrapyard” (Sigh) Upon his return from prayer, soon we might see Sam the Sham take ad hominen whacks at Christopher Bollyn’s and my character?

    Thanks! Peace be with you.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  367. Svigor says:

    Also, I should add how amusing it is to hear Jews insist that Americans would never discriminate against Jews.

    I was struck again how funny this is. Squaring the circle, we get: “White Americans are of course dastardly ‘ANTI-SEMITES!!!’ who must be defamed on a routine basis, but they’ll never be ‘ANTI-SEMITIC!!!’ enough to actually put Jews in their place; America is the land of Goldilocks ‘ANTI-SEMITISM,’ serving it up at just the right temperature to keeps Jews happy.”

    ***

    Islam seems more a synthesis of various Abrahamic systems. Proselytization and conversion, ostensible universalism seem far more Christian than Jewish. But in general, Islam seems more in tune with the God of the Old Testament, than the new. Old Yahweh probably would have sent a Messiah that looked more like Mohommed, than Jesus. The Jews probably would have been more receptive, too.

    Dhimmis kind of parallel Noahide goys.

    But the real distinction seems to come from Europeans, who hammered and pounded the shit out of their doctrine, Scripture be damned, until it looked like something palatable to the European soul. Whereas, Judaism and Islam are tailored to the Semitic soul.

    I don’t know for what reason, but Jews do tend to feature disproportionately in positions of some impact. Do you know why? Look forward to your answer.

    Still, while we are we are both aware of the Jewish names on the list, what say you about the ones at the very top? George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell. What about the luminaries from the past? Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Daniel P. Moynihan?

    While neokahnerie seems more like a synthesis of Zionist and Armaments systems. Zionists get to defend their true country, Israel, while Armaments guys get a bulletproof excuse for perpetual war.

    First, it gives Israel and Jews too much credit. Some Israelis/Jews are brilliant, some not so much. Some are powerful, some powerless. Some wealthy, some poor. Just like anyone else. I refuse to cede them supernatural status. We are, like it or not, all mortal. All imperfect. We should each be judged individually for our action (or inaction).

    Typical obfuscatory leftist drivel. Skipped the rest under an assumption of the former’s predictive power.

    @which belief system has a greater respect for Christianity?

    Tough call. Islam, I suppose. I’ve heard of fatwas against westerners for demeaning Jesus. This from remote locales with no expectation of benefit.

    American Presidents, Senators and Congressmen have voted in favor of Israel (it’s an easy vote) for years. THEY, and they alone, are responsible. That was my point.

    Yeah, they alone. Nobody buys a US President, Senator, or Congressman. Nobody creates a system of carrots and sticks to control them, making those votes “easy” indeed. What are you, five?

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @NoseytheDuke
  368. Svigor says:

    On Jewish power:

    Intelligence is like strength, it’s nothing without will. A man who refuses to deploy his brains is no more intimidating than a man who won’t put up his dukes in a fight.

    Jews have a lot of practice at will; the ones who don’t measure up tend to be driven out of the tribe.

    So, it’s far from a simple question of IQ, though part of the Jews’ strategy is to make it into one; “surrender, goy, you can’t win” – I guess a few mopes fall for it.

    • Replies: @Art
  369. geokat62 says:
    @L.K

    To this list, I would add the contributions of Mearsheimer and Walt. Here are a few pertinent excerpts from their magnum opus, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy:

    This chapter [Chapter 4 "What Is the 'Israel Lobby'?"] also considers whether Arab-American groups, the so-called oil lobby, or wealthy Arab oil producers are either a significant counterweight to the Israel lobby or even the real driving forces behind U.S. Middle East policy. Many people seem to believe, for example, that the invasion of Iraq was mostly about oil and that corporate oil interests were the primary movers behind the U.S. decision to attack that country. This is not the case: although access to oil is obviously an important U.S. interest, there are good reasons why Arab Americans, oil companies, and the Saudi royal family wield far less influence on U.S. foreign policy than the Israel lobby does. p.16

    Neither Arab governments nor the vaunted “oil lobby” pose a significant counterweight to the Israel lobby. The belief that oil companies and/or wealthy oil sheikhdoms exert a powerful influence on U.S. Middle East pol­icy is widespread and is reflected in the frequent claim that the war in Iraq in 2003 was a “war for oil” and for related corporate interests such as Hallibur­ton. Interestingly, this view is advanced by some of Israel’s most persistent critics—such as Noam Chomsky and Stephen Zunes—as well as by fervent defenders like Martin Peretz. More conspiratorial versions of this perspec­tive suggest that personal and financial connections between the Bush fam­ily and the House of Saud have shaped U.S. Middle East policy to America’s detriment. These various interpretations portray the Israel lobby as just one player among many, and probably not the most important one. p.142

    Beyond this obvious interest in preserving access to Middle East oil, however, there is little evidence that either wealthy Arab states or a power­ful “oil lobby” has had much impact on the broad thrust of U.S. Middle East policy. p.143

  370. @geokat62

    geokat62,

    I do not want to be stupid and make unnecessary waves with you, an ally.

    One matter though? I see that you enjoy (at minimum) a valuable email relationship with Mr. P. Giraldi.

    Also, I recall how P.G. is at principled cold war with antiwar.com. Consequently, I Google-searched Attorney Shea & his conclusions to reopen investigation into 9-11. The antiwar.com article is provided (below) & the discussion ended up with one party’s having called for more “facts” that backup Mr. Shea’s conclusions. W.T.F. is going on here?

    (sigh) Later I plan to read Gerald Shea’s conclusions which you have kindly provided.

    For me, the motherlode of 9-11 “evidence & facts was provided by C. Bollyn in “Solving 9-11.”
    The greatest suspicion that grips me (to this very day) is HOW (?) Mr. Bollyn managed to survive & continue his 9-11 research after his having taken a beating at the hands of a secret goon squad.

    One (like me) automatically thinks “Mossad” and figures that C.B.’s damaging 9-11 research & findings would have come to a bloody end upon a sidewalk. It did not and evidence survived.
    Now a decision must be made on C.B.’s evidence! What I (a school bus driver) “thinks” is merely ancillary to the profound evidence provided in “Solving 9-11.”

    Thanks, George — let’s try & contain this feud for the sake of (possibly) avoiding another False Flag and subsequent WW III? Let Sam The Sham try and fry me in W.T.C. molten steel. He’s well qualified to do obfuscation!

  371. @geokat62

    Hey geokat62,

    I screwed up and failed to provide the antiwar.com article on the brave work of Attorney Gerald Shea.

    “Horse ran out of the barn” during my passion, but it’s available below.

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2005/08/31/israel-and-911-new-report-connects-the-dots/

    Danke schon.

  372. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    I had an impulse to shout back, “Google-search Bollyn, & 9-11 and evidence & facts will be in front of your nose for your discernment!”

    No need to shout, Chuck. I did Google it before I responded previously as I managed to come across this favorable review of the book: Book Review: Solving 9-11 (2012), The deception that changed the world by Christopher Bollyn (reviewed by Brian Wright).

    Here’s an excerpt from the “Opportunity” section of the review:

    The author discusses the several military-industrial-complex connections in America managed under Israeli military and intelligence organizations, including those that would effect the crimes of 9-11. These connections and false-front enterprises enabled the plan to move forward. Perhaps the most convincing piece affording opportunity lies in making sure any evidence pointing to the perpetrators is destroyed or removed. The following fact seals it for me, demonstrating unequivocally that Israel (along with its Neocon toady-murderers in Washington) was at the base of the causal chain of the crime of the century:

    “The FBI, for example, under the command of the Israeli dual-national Michael Chertoff, was responsible for the confiscation and destruction of the crucial evidence from 9-11. Chertoff, as Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice, oversaw the non-investigation of 9-11, which resulted in the massive destruction of the steel—crucial evidence—from the World Trade Center. Chertoff went on to head the Department of Homeland Security, where he continued to control access to the evidence through the Sensitive Security Information (SSI) program. [The confiscated evidence includes several dozen videotapes of the Pentagon attack and physical pieces from the different aircraft purportedly involved.]”

    http://brianrwright.com/CoffeeCoasterBlog/?p=4408

    These are very serious accusations. But I was a little reluctant mentioning them without seeing if the book presents hard evidence to back these claims up. If it does, these claims should become the first conclusion added to Gerald Shea’s 13 conclusions in his memorandum. That’s why I suggested that since you have already read the book, perhaps you had possession of the particular references that support this claim and could share them with us.

    But, no worries, I’ll eventually finish reading the book for myself and see if I think the evidence presented is sufficient to support these accusations.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  373. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Keith Says:

    Chuck …. you forgot to mention Henry Ford. The capitalists who said:

    ” I don’t know if the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery. The only statement I care to make
    about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on. They are 16 years old, and they fitted the world situation up to this time”.

    http://www.americannaziparty.com/about/InternationalJew.pdf

    Everyone is commenting on this subject today because of the success of the Protocol plan. Ford was warning Americans about the negative influence of Jewish power on America and the world. Today we are faced with their power that has increased exponentially since Henry Ford’s time.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  374. geokat62 says:
    @L.K

    In fact, I no longer know what his position is, though not long ago, he seemed to go along with the official ‘OBL/AL-CIADA did it’ BS.

    It’s true that I referenced the official narrative. But I also stated:

    Maybe it wasn’t OBL & AQ who did it. Maybe it was the Mossad that orchestrated it all… and the 19 hijackers were merely patsies. I really don’t know. Neither do any of you.

    For clarity, my position is this: I support the 13 conclusions included in Gerald Shea’s memorandum, as he meticulously documented supporting evidence for each assertion. If this document can be updated with new conclusions on the basis of hard evidence that supports these conclusions, I’m all for it. But based on the evidence I’ve seen presented thus far by Unz commenters, I’m not sure Gerald Shea’s memorandum should include a 14th conclusion.

  375. @geokat62

    geokat62,

    I watched enough METV episodes of “Columbo” to realize that he would have immediately interrogated W.T.C. owner, Larry Silverstein, about who had access to the towers that crumbled to a point which provoked even Donald Trump (on scene) to bewilderment at how airplane crashes could have done such “unbelievable” damage.

    Attorney Gerald Shea has offered America patriotic advice to re-investigate 9-11. Like Justin Raimondo, he knew the consequences of providing evidence that pointed to Israelis as having foreknowledge about the 9-11 attacks and their monitoring of Arab hijackers. To this day, I wonder what flack Mr. Shea has taken from guilt ridden Israelis?

    However, a major intellectual problem for me (with Mr. Shea’s memo) is the absence of hijackers — those nineteen (19) A-rabs who never piloted the planes into two (2) out of the three (3) fallen towers on 9-11.

    In addition, Geo, and how combinations of pre-installed nuke weapon detonations & nano-thermite elixir caused steel structures to melt to the ground? (Sigh) Larry Silverstein should have taken an immediate Columbo-style “ride” downtown & questioned on-the-grounds of complicity in mass murder.

    Undeniable that Mr. Shea’s research is historically important. However, a legitimate call for a valid U.S. government investigation into 9-11 presupposes the NEED for a panel of Investigators who are not intimidated by & beholden to awesome Israeli political power!

    At present, George, can you name just one (1) high profile official, housed comfortably in the U.S. Zionist-controlled D.O.J., who would be willing to risk their career & life for the sake of bringing Israeli 9-11 criminals to justice? Sad FACT of Amerikan government is that we’d get new models of Arlen Specter & P. Zelikow to perform & direct 9-11 reinvestigation actions.

    That’s why its so important for all people to speak out even here at The Unz Review comment section. This is not mindless bragadacio because all commenters should be aware CIA/Mossad is watching “what we say.”

    (sigh) A slim minority of brain washed American masses might (?) recall how Adolf Hitler advised, “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”‘ People excoriated A. Hitler for saying such “evil” shit, but it’s an exact replica of the advice that was used by Zionist culprits of 9-11.

    As you’ll learn, Christopher Bollyn shared much more concrete evidence & knowledge about 9-11 than I set forth here. “Solving 9-11″ requires the world to make a decision on who told the truth.

    Good night and good luck.

    P.S. In my comment above, I mentioned the fascinating book titled, “I Saw Poland Betrayed.” The author’s name is U.S. Ambassador (to Poland), Bliss Lane, and not “Blake.”

    • Replies: @geokat62
  376. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Never mind”?

    How deep, iffen.

    • Replies: @iffen
  377. Art says:
    @Svigor

    Jews are not that super intelligent – BUT – they do have a vibrant engaged family culture that gives them an edge in life. Young Jews are showered with “words.” World politics is an everyday discussion.

    “Great expectations” would be an apt description of what the Jew anticipate from their youth.

    Being “clever” is imparted to Jew children. They are taught to cleverly cut corners as children. Cutting ethical corners is not a problem in Jew culture – it is applauded.

    Of course they are also enslaved into the Jew tribal culture – never permitted to leave without great pain. Clearly it is a form of terror.

    Peace — Art

  378. @Anon

    Hey anon (Keith),

    I forgot all about Henry Ford’s stated practical wisdom on the existence of the Protocols of Zion.

    All day, & as you might have noticed, my mind is occupied with a “mass assembly” (production) of comments which I cling to their having some (positive) workable impact upon the thought of others.

    Frankly, I am finding it discouraging how good people here at The Unz Review are hesitant to go the “hard way” and acknowledge the high crimes of 9-11 for what it was.

    Thank you!

  379. Incitatus says:
    @Svigor

    Golly, Svigor.

    Caught again by out-of-context, blind quotes. How clever of you! And such deep analysis. I also “was struck again how funny this is.”

    “Typical obfuscatory leftist drivel. Skipped the rest under an assumption of the former’s predictive power.”

    You seem to skip a lot and prefer indirect rhetorical responses. Eschew direct conversation? Isn’t that type of behavior best characterized as onanism? Feel better?

    “What are you, five?”

    Tragical no. If only it was so.

    Impartial advice: keep your viagra supply well stocked.

  380. Incitatus says:
    @L.K

    Hello again L.K!

    inZitatus: ‘I’m sure there’s a storm of excrement coming my way’
    No, dear asshole, the storm of excrement was already provided …. by yourself.
    A Hasbara troll and liar such as yourself talking about ‘bogus history’?? What a sad joke.

    Indeed, I stand convicted.

    My only consolation? If I’m a rectum, you’re (at best) a pesky hemorrhoid. I suppose your Teutonic forebears would call you “ein kleine Hämorrhoiden.” Swell and itch to your delight!

    L.K, you never disappoint!

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  381. Ace says:
    @Joe Franklin

    Fresh ideas like expulsion of Africans, limited welcome of and discrimination against foreigners, and hermetically-sealed borders.

  382. Ace says:
    @jacques sheete

    Interesting but irrelevant, I think.

    The relevant question is which economic interests were favored by the Constitution. Shipping? Banking? Agriculture? Manufacturing? Mining? Heating and air conditioning sales and service? None of the above.

    States are prohibited from interfering with the obligations of contract and that favors creditors with extant loans I suppose. Too, lawyers might be seen as having been granted job security but the Constitution’s really not that hard to understand for the most part. Only Supreme Court justices, liars and morons say that they can find a Congressional power to legislate in the area of health care, for example.

    But apart from that the Constitution seems neutral to me and leaves economic activity to the states to regulate.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  383. @Incitatus

    “if I’m a rectum, you’re (at best) a pesky hemorrhoid.”

    Hey InZitatus,

    You’re in luck!

    Eh hem.. , I have a way to make L.K. disappear.

    My first cousin Stanley invented Preparation H ointment!

    Here’s how it happened:

    While he was interred at Treblinka,and employed as a Kaporegime supervisor, the Nazi commander was just getting ready to gas him.

    Luckily, Stanley (inmates) called him “Stashu”) knew Commander Klink suffered hemorrhoids!

    Cousin Stashu thought very quickly. He mixed Zyklon B (2-parts), Cordite (2-parts), and Used Engine Oil (1-part) and invented Preparation H!

    Just steps away from the gas chamber, Stashu yelled to Klink, “Yo,, I have something that will eradicate your pesky hemmorhoids!”

    As Klink began to turn Zyklon B into a gas physical state, he threw the pellets to the floor, and exclaimed, “Well in that case, your execution can wait… bitte hand over to me the Preparation H right now!”

    “Heil Hitler,” shouted cousin Stanley.

    P.S. Inzitatus, Preparation H is on sale this week at Walgreens.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  384. @Svigor

    Ron Unz cleverly developed the reply button to enable readers to follow threads yet you appear to purposefully avoid using it, why is that? Go on… give it a try. It’s easy… really.

    On the matter of your question…

    “Still, while we are we are both aware of the Jewish names on the list, what say you about the ones at the very top? George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell. What about the luminaries from the past? Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Daniel P. Moynihan?”

    I’d say some are simply whores (apologies to the genuine article) be it for money, prestige or advancement, some are cryptos practising a treasonous deception, others are religious fantasists but all are of low moral development along the lines of Shammy & Co, but the question is… who is driving the bus? (apologies to Chuck O ;o)

    topdocumentaryfilms.com/esoteric-agenda/

    People like Shammy have flexibility of an Olympic standard when it comes down to morals, especially when they think they are winning. It’s a very human trait but their downfall is that they think they are smarter and better than the average human, it is fed them along with their mothers milk, so those at the top are able to easily use them and then smack them down when it suits them.

    William Cooper described this simple fact decades ago and history shows this to be true over and over as part of a cycle but their greed prevents them from seeing it and learning and so there is always a rinse and repeat cycle.

  385. Incitatus says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hello Chuck,

    Apologies for not responding previously. I find writing laborious and would starve as a professional author. I appreciate the humor – it’s a break from the usual insults.

    “The 25K killed in Dresden 1945 was a crime but no mention of the 25K killed in Warsaw 1939.”
    “Sentences (like the one above) will naturally draw a storm of excrement upon yourself.”

    As anticipated, Chuck. It’s true though. Ask Rurik. He insisted killing Poles was “strategic” and Dresden a crime. Ask L.K if the Nazis were right in raping Poland. Read all of his comments. Here’s his interchange with Avery:

    “my ethnicities, Germans and Italians, have accomplished more than armenians could ever dream to.”
    -L.K 31 May 2016 #150; http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-russia-is-preparing-for-wwiii

    Think L.K considers Poles any better than ‘armenians’ Chuck? Ask him. Would your grandparents, subhumans in the Nazi lexicon, break bread with a self-anointed ubermensch?

    Cynicism about ‘tears’ was intended to highlight those shed by some only for Germans (not for Poles et.al.). If you ask me, tears should be shed for all victims (yes, even Germans too). As Art says, I’m naïve.

    Mention of Beauregard (#320) was an attempt to hold him to account for his role in starting a war. He also helped design the racially iconic battleflag. If proud of him would I indict him?

    “…in your Unz comments, you consistently come off as a George Plimpton -level Know-It-All / “Been There Done That” Advanced Phony.”

    Sorry if I seem a know-it-all. What do you suggest? Pose as a livery driver who reads the WSJ? I suppose that’s taken. How about a Uriah Heep persona? And I don’t mean the band.

    I’ll gladly order the Prep-H and add moist wipes, since hemorrhoids tend always stubbornly covered with dung. I count on you to help L.K apply them.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Sam Shama
  386. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    “Never mind”?

    How deep, iffen.

    Sorry for this. I am into the mother of all political angst attacks and it keeps me from restraining the emotions.

    I was really hoping for a reply along the lines of: Denial of the right of Israel to exist is anti-Semitic because 1, 2, 3, etc.

    Something deep, okay, but you are forewarned that after a couple of steps toward the deep end, I always find myself over my head.

    Real life has recently convinced me, over sincere kicking and screaming, that “The Truth” is usually ugly. What kind of God would make “The Truth” ugly and not beautiful? Evidently the same one that, even though omniscient, would create Satan just for grins.

    These 88s are your modern day Manichaeans; the Jews, the source of all evil, battle the Aryans, the source of good.

    I am intrigued by your idea of sincere 88s; the ones who do not know better. The Honorable Mr. Justice Gray seemed troubled by the idea as well. A person who does evil by reason of ignorance is less culpable than a person who, knowing evil, does so anyway. ?

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Incitatus
    , @Sam Shama
  387. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    As you’ll learn, Christopher Bollyn shared much more concrete evidence & knowledge about 9-11 than I set forth here. “Solving 9-11″ requires the world to make a decision on who told the truth.

    Hey, Chuck. As promised, I have revisited Christopher Bollyn’s Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed The World

    While I have only managed to finish reading the forward and the preface, I think I have the gist of what the book’s thesis is, as Glen Stanish clearly states it in the forward:

    He [Christopher Bollyn] has bravely pressed forward with determination, working with scientists and physics professors and other qualified professionals to show that the three World Trade Center buildings that collapsed on 9-11 were brought down by explosives in controlled demolitions.

    And in his preface, Bollyn articulates the three reasons for arriving at this conclusion:

    1. Most significantly, this deception was promoted by officials and media owners who knew it to be false. The U.S. Department of Justice, for example, oversaw the destruction of many tons of structural steel – crucial evidence from the crime scenes.

    2. On the other hand, we have scientific evidence that the Twin Towers were blown up with an advanced form of super-thermite, chips of which were found in five different samples of the dust from the demolished towers by Dr. Steven E. Jones of Brigham Young University. This crucial discovery, published as a peer-reviewed paper in March 2009 with other scientists, completely disproves the official version that the Twin Towers fell as a result of fires caused by the plane crashes. This discovery also explains the explosive destruction and pulverization of the immense steel-frame and concrete buildings. As Professor Jones says, “The data doesn’t lie.”

    3. Neither Osama Bin Laden nor the Taliban had anything to do with the demolition of the World Trade Center, which the evidence proves was carried out using an advanced form of Thermite created using nano-technology. Nor did the airplane crashes themselves cause the towers to collapse. The plane crashes were merely part of the deception, meant to provide a plausible explanation for the pre-planned explosive demolitions that followed.

    Now, as I’ve previously indicated, I have been involved in lengthy debates on this topic and have cited numerous sources that refute the controlled demolition hypothesis, chief among which is Ryan Mackey’s 306-page paper: On Debunking 9/11 Debunking: Examining Dr. David Ray Griffin’s Latest Criticism of the NIST World Trade Center Investigation, Version 2.1, 24 May 2008 Original Release 31 August 2007

    https://sites.google.com/site/911guide/ryanmackey

    A little background on Ryan Mackey:

    Ryan Mackey is a research scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, specializing in vehicle autonomy and Integrated Systems Health Management for aircraft and spacecraft. He is a graduate of the University of California, Santa Cruz and the Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories at the California Institute of Technology (GALCIT). He has authored sixteen NASA Tech Briefs and Technical Reports, and received two United States Patents for his original research. He has contributed to numerous projects including the Joint Strike Fighter, NASA’s New Millennium Program and Project Constellation. His introduction to fringe beliefs regarding September 11th and the works of Dr. Griffin came through informal Internet discussions hosted by the James Randi Educational Foundation, a nonprofit organization dedicated to raising public awareness of paranormal and pseudoscientific fraud. While the author pursues this effort independently of these and any other organizations, he is indebted to them for their contributions to science, education, and critical thinking.

    And here is the Abstract summarizing the paper:

    In this paper, we examine the claims of Dr. David Ray Griffin regarding the NIST investigation into the World Trade Center disasters, and find those claims to be unfounded. All 18 major claims are discussed and rigorously dismissed, and a further analysis of the text reveals an overwhelming density of factual and logical errors. This paper refutes Dr. Griffin’s major claims, supporting with evidence that the aircraft impacts were expected to significantly damage the structures, that the resulting fires were of both sufficient temperature and duration to cause structural collapse, that a progressive collapse resulting in total destruction of the Towers was the likely result, and that the “controlled demolition” hypothesis is speculative and unsupported by any evidence. We also discuss the anticipated NIST report on World Trade Center Seven. The author highlights the fundamental sources of errors present in Dr. Griffin’s research and provides a template to evaluate future claims using resources available in open literature.

    [MORE]
    Now, below I reproduce the three reasons Bollyn cites in favour of the CD hypothesis and the relevant responses from Mackey’s paper:

    1. Most significantly, this deception was promoted by officials and media owners who knew it to be false. The U.S. Department of Justice, for example, oversaw the destruction of many tons of structural steel – crucial evidence from the crime scenes.

    Removal of the Steel

    Dr. Griffin’s next comment is that the structural steel was removed before it could be inspected, leaving NIST without enough steel to conduct a proper investigation:

    Although, as we have seen, a little steel was recovered, making its examination possible, it was very little. Virtually all of the steel – 99.7 percent of it, meaning about 90,000 tons – was removed and sold to scrap dealers, who put most of it on ships to Asia, before it could be properly examined. [161]

    This statement is grossly misleading. NIST details the process of recovery in NCSTAR1- 3B, Chapter 2. Because confusion over the scope and purpose of NIST’s steel recovery effort is widespread, the author presents a large excerpt below:

    Beginning in October 2001, members … began work to identify and collect World Trade Center (WTC) structural steel from the various recovery yards where debris, including the steel, was taken during the cleanup effort. Dr. J. Gross, a structural engineer at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and a member of the FEMA/ASCE BPS Team, was involved in these early efforts.

    There were four major sites where the debris from the WTC buildings was shipped during the clean-up effort in which the volunteers worked. These were:

     Hugo Neu Schnitzer, Inc., Fresh Kills Landfill in Staten Island, New Jersey;

     Hugo Neu Schnitzer East, Inc., Claremont Terminal in Jersey City, New Jersey;

     Metal Management, Inc., in Newark, New Jersey; and

     Blanford and Co. in Keasbey, New Jersey.

    The volunteers searched through unsorted piles of steel and other debris for pieces from the WTC buildings, specifically searching for (McAllister 2002):

     Exterior column panels and interior core columns from WTC 1 and WTC 2 that were exposed to fire and/or impacted by the aircraft;

     Exterior column panels and interior core columns from WTC 1 and WTC 2 directly above and below the impact zones;

     Badly burned pieces from WTC 7;

     Connections from WTC 1, 2, and 7 (e.g., seat connections, single-shear plates, and

    column splices);

     Bolts in all conditions;

     Floor trusses, including stiffeners, seats, and other components; and

     Any pieces that in the engineers’ professional opinion might be useful.

    NIST estimates that the inventory recovered in this fashion, almost entirely from WTC 1 and 2, is between 0.25 percent and 0.5 percent of the 200,000 tons of structural steel used in the Towers. This agrees with Dr. Griffin’s estimate. However, what he fails to appreciate is that the total above is the amount that was collected, not the amount that was examined. The overwhelming majority of structural steel was examined in the search, and discarded simply because it did not meet the criteria above – the remaining steel, in the professional opinion of the engineers, displayed no unusual or important characteristics needed for the investigation.

    Furthermore, of the NIST inventory, a considerable fraction is in the form of “coupons,” or small pieces removed from larger steel elements to facilitate easier storage and protection from the elements. Because of this, the NIST inventory represents a larger fraction of the original steel than its raw weight would indicate. But in any event, Dr. Griffin’s assertion that the steel was all shipped off to Asia “before it could be properly examined” is simply wrong.

    Dr. Griffin also repeats the commonly echoed misconception that “removing any evidence from the scene of a crime is a federal offense.” This is similarly misleading. It would be illegal for an anonymous individual to remove material from the collapse site, of course, but the search and rescue operation, followed by the recovery and firefighting efforts, followed by reclamation, were always under the control of the Federal Bureau of Investigations and FEMA. Such removal of potential evidence lay within their jurisdictions. There is, therefore, nothing illegal about the steel removal, provided it was officially conducted. We may argue about whether the Senior Agent in Charge should have been more concerned about preserving debris for future engineering studies, but ultimately this was a human decision, and one influenced by many factors. pp. 106-7

    2. On the other hand, we have scientific evidence that the Twin Towers were blown up with an advanced form of super-thermite, chips of which were found in five different samples of the dust from the demolished towers by Dr. Steven E. Jones of Brigham Young University. This crucial discovery, published as a peer-reviewed paper in March 2009 with other scientists, completely disproves the official version that the Twin Towers fell as a result of fires caused by the plane crashes. This discovery also explains the explosive destruction and pulverization of the immense steel-frame and concrete buildings. As Professor Jones says, “The data doesn’t lie.”

    To begin, Dr. Griffin has not identified any coherent theory of “controlled demolition,” here or in any previous text. In his book he cites the work of Dr. Steven Jones [8], but also numerous other, incompatible theories, without selecting any particular candidate. As he states in his Note 16 to this chapter:

    I am using the term “explosives” very broadly to refer not only to explosives in the technical sense, such as RDX, but also to incendiary mixtures, such as thermite and thermate, and any other substances or devices that can be used to produce explosions. [9]

    With such poor specificity, Dr. Griffin is not advancing any theory, but rather speculating about an entire multidimensional space of possible theories. Furthermore, while Dr. Steven Jones hypothesizes incendiaries, namely thermite and its variants, he does not require production of “explosions” thereby, and so Dr. Griffin’s space of theories is so large that it requires redefinition of the term “explosives.” The only common element to these theories is that buildings were damaged deliberately by “substances or devices,” understood to be destructive devices placed in the WTC buildings prior to aircraft impact. What Dr. Griffin demands is proof of a negative, and this is a logical fallacy. p.4

    3. Neither Osama Bin Laden nor the Taliban had anything to do with the demolition of the World Trade Center, which the evidence proves was carried out using an advanced form of Thermite created using nano-technology. Nor did the airplane crashes themselves cause the towers to collapse. The plane crashes were merely part of the deception, meant to provide a plausible explanation for the pre-planned explosive demolitions that followed.

    On the basis of the analysis above, it is now clear why Dr. Griffin refuses to present any details of his controlled demolition theory. The details that may be inferred from his conclusions prove its absurdity, even if there was no ready alternate hypothesis available, such as the NIST Report provides. p. 95

    Dr. Griffin claims that it is evidence of explosives, based on extremely simple reasoning:

    The journal further suggested the significance of the discovery by pointing out the presence of sulfur in this eutectic reaction… This point is especially significant because, as Steven Jones has pointed out, sulfur is a common ingredient in explosives. [152]

    This reasoning is also particularly specious. There are innumerable sources of sulfur that do not involve explosives, such as diesel fuel for emergency generators, sulfuric acid found in batteries and uninterruptible power supplies, possibly gypsum wallboard, and even human bodies. On the other hand, sulfur is an ingredient in some low explosives such as black powder, but it is not part of TNT, RDX (and by inference C-4), HMX, PETN, nitroglycerin, dynamite, or any other common or suitable explosive that the author is aware of, with the possible exception of ANFO if the fuel oil just happened to include a high sulfur content. Confused by this statement, we search Dr. Griffin’s reference to Dr. Steven Jones, which leads to page 35 of his whitepaper entitled “Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?” We do not find any mention of sulfur or explosives on page 35, but we believe we have the correct passage on page 20, which reads as follows:

    Finally, sulfidation was observed in structural steel samples found from both WTC7 and one of the WTC Towers, as reported in Appendix C in the FEMA report. It is quite possible that more than one type of cutter-charge was involved on 9/11, e.g., HMX, RDX and thermate in some combination. While gypsum in the buildings is a source of sulfur, it is highly unlikely that this sulfur could find its way into the structural steel in such a way as to form a eutectic. The evidence for the use of some variant of thermite such as sulfur-containing thermate in the destruction of the WTC Towers and building 7 is sufficiently compelling to warrant serious investigation. [157]

    It is clear that Dr. Jones does not claim sulfur is a sign of explosives after all. Instead, he believes the sulfur signal comes from “thermate,” which is not an explosive, but merely an incendiary. In the passage above, Dr. Jones – like Dr. Griffin – appears to be leaning towards a complicated scenario involving both explosives and incendiaries, although his reasoning can be refuted quickly: His evidence for incendiaries is the sulfidized steel. However, Dr. Biederman et al. proved that the steel experienced temperatures no higher than 850 oC, and would melt, destroying the mixture, at 940 oC. Thermite and thermate burn at temperatures far higher than this, therefore they could not possibly have left this sulfidized steel as evidence. Thermate also contains barium – roughly ten times as much barium as sulfur, in the form of barium nitrate before ignition – and there is no evidence of barium. Dr. Jones is therefore simply wrong. Dr. Griffin, for his part, seems to have misunderstood Dr. Jones, confusing thermate with explosives in a bid to support his own, still completely unsupported, controlled demolition hypothesis. p. 101

    If you don’t have the time or the inclination to read all 306 pages, I have provided the conclusions for your perusal:

    Conclusions

    In this review, we have begun with Dr. Griffin’s critique of the NIST Report of the World Trade Center Disaster, contained in Chapter 3 of his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking. We have examined his claims and his methods, expanded to consider the NIST Report ourselves, and finally discussed the scientific method as a whole. Our findings are as follows:

    1. A sequential analysis of Dr. Griffin’s claims reveals that, without exception, his claims are unfounded. Sources of error in his claims include (a) quotes taken out of context, (b) reliance on statements from non-experts, (c) reliance on flawed scientific reasoning produced by others in the Truth Movement, (d) incorrect and incomplete reading of the NIST Report itself, and in rare cases (e) fabrication of factual claims. Taken in total, Dr. Griffin fails to provide a single legitimate complaint about the NIST Report anywhere in his new book.

    2. Careful analysis of Dr. Griffin’s claims produces no coherent alternate hypothesis. Dr. Griffin outlines two seemingly incompatible ideas – those of explosives destroying the structures, and incendiaries merely weakening them to collapse – but upon review, his claims actually require both effects simultaneously. The amount of explosives and incendiaries required by Dr. Griffin is implausibly large, totaling roughly 60 tons of explosives alone at minimum per tower, if we have understood his vague implications correctly. This analysis is severely hampered by Dr. Griffin’s refusal, either here or in any of his other writings, to clearly articulate his hypothesis, if indeed he has one.

    3. Comparison of Dr. Griffin’s approach to the Scientific Method reveals substantial and irreconcilable deviations. These include the failure to articulate a hypothesis, persistent Arguments from Ignorance and Incredulity, total reliance upon other researchers who have yet to produce a single peer-reviewed result and whose work is easily falsified, rejection of reviewed and verifiable results from genuine experts, and simple factual error in his presentation. In contrast, Dr. Griffin’s method is found to be entirely consistent with typical characteristics of pseudoscience.

    4. The NIST Report itself bears up well in comparison to the Scientific Method, as it provides a concise and quantified hypothesis, is supported by evidence as well as experiments, draws upon a large body of researchers and independent validation, and has been supported in many parts by peer-reviewed papers and others still in press.

    5. A brief review of current investigations reveals a considerable body of legitimate criticism and follow-up on the NIST Report taking place in the scientific community, contrary to Dr. Griffin’s assertions that the NIST Report is nothing more than an element of an ongoing cover-up. Equally important and revealing is the fact that none of these critiques suggests that explosives were used, or that the Towers would not be expected to collapse after the impact and fires alone.

    6. There are now several attempted rebuttals to this whitepaper, all of them from the Truth Movement, and none from scientists or readers without such affiliation. A careful examination of these responses reveals comprehensive errors in fact and reasoning, including incomplete or incorrect understanding of the NIST Report, unfamiliarity with physical laws and engineering principles, and unrealistic models of structures and dynamics that are biased strongly towards confirmation of their proponents’ assertions. In contrast, research continues among leading professional and academic institutions, and without exception, these new published results further contradict claims of the Truth Movement. pp. 189-90

    As I’ve previously indicated, Chuck, before embracing an argument, I take a fact-based approach – i.e., there has to be sufficient evidence to support it. I think Ryan Mackey’s concluding remarks sums up my sentiments best:

    In closing, the author motivates the search for truth – the real truth – about September 11th by again quoting Dr. Sagan. His words below are not particular to the Truth Movement (having been written over a decade ago), but are instead relevant to any scientist and any line of questioning. Yet, they are strangely resonant to the problem at hand.

    Finding the occasional straw of truth awash in a great ocean of confusion and bamboozle requires vigilance, dedication, and courage. But if we don’t practice these tough habits of thought, we cannot hope to solve the truly serious problems that face us – and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, a world of suckers, up for grabs by the next charlatan who saunters along. p. 191

  388. @geokat62

    geaokat62,

    So, by merely reading the forward and the book’s preface, I take it that you dismiss the evidence provided by Christopher Bollyn in “Solving 9-11.”

    I do not find such self-imposed imitations to be “scientific” whatsoever.

    (Sigh) And then you end with Ryan Mackey’s “conclusions” and tag-a-long support from the late-Carl Sagan who is not around to proffer a scientific look at P. Zelikow’s 9-11 Commisson report.

    W.T.F., George? What did I do you you? In no way did I sic you upon the topic of determining how many mid-19th century Dixieland slaves were owned by Jews!

    I have read Carl Sagan’s book “A Demon Haunted World” twice now and I have passed it on to friends. In the book’s final chapter, the author discussed how easily well heeled political influences corrupt politics in the U.S.A. Bottom line from the cosmos: It pays to lie with Fake Science in support roles.

    (Sigh) Mr. Sagan put it very clear in the final sentence you have quoted, above — “and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, up for garbs by the next charlatan.”

    In “Solving 9-11,” Christopher Bollyn has provided extensive evidence that demands a verdict.
    And your verdict is tentative to not having read the entire book. Jeezuz… Please tell tell me, is that a scientific approach?

    At any rate, I feel very bad that I am now party to the rather foolish act of helping take Unz Review comment participants’ eyes off the darkness that present day Neoconservatives are plotting.

    If you persist to cling to dismissing what Mr. Bollyn painstakingly researched & conveyed, and what’s more insisting that your “Rush to Judgement” is a “scientific approach,” the only thing I can now conclude is… “so be it, George.”

    Post 9-11 attacks, clever Zionists further destroyed the U.S. Department of Justice’s crime investigation “scientific method,” and what is left are LIES to support fighting the War on Radical Islamic Terror into infinity.

    The truth about what really happened to the fallen W.T.C. towers was immediately transported to both U.S. and Chines scrap metal yards.

    (Sigh) Do you have a conscience as to the plight of 9-11 victim family survivors who futilely tried to file suit against Saudi Arabia? Last week, F.Y.I. a Saudi Arabian leader met with Chinese Xi Jinping in order to advance sales of Saudi crude oil to Far east countries. Welcome to the New World Order, geokat62! 9-11 terror victim families get stiffed and Saudis pivot East for enhanced fortune, hand-in-hand with the Goldman Sachs Group, “Vampire Squid.”

    For better or worse, I have made my case and I’m finished taking attention away from Mr. Giraldi’s topic. Maybe either InZitatus or Sam The Sham can jump in here and discredit Christopher Bollyn by ad hominen methodology ?

    (Sigh) No hard feelings, good day, and may scientific peace be upon you.

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    , @geokat62
  389. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    “…which the evidence proves was carried out using an advanced form of Thermite …”

    Hi Geo,

    I know people who subscribe to Bollyn’s understanding of “proof” – :( (sigh). I’m in the ‘there should be an impartial (real) investigation’ camp, but is that even possible at this point? Would an official acknowledgement that previous findings were flawed and inconclusive be sufficient?

    • Replies: @L.K
  390. wayfarer says:

    Hack Performance Artist’s Antifa-Zionist Snowflake Script Recital, Encounters Critical Blowback on New York City Subway!

  391. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    I mostly agree with the stuff geokat writes, he does great work re the Israel lobby and its warmongering and its blame for many wars and tragedies, but when it comes to 9-11, the guy really gets on my nerves!
    After all the debates, particularly the ones he has had with Revusky, who took him to the woodshed and spanked him pretty good, he still has the nerve to say Ryan Mackey refuted this and that, pure BS, and then he copies and pastes all that crap here. He’s done it again and again and it is such a disservice to solving the 9-11 deception.
    It’s kinda sad, really.
    Chuck:

    ‘The truth about what really happened to the fallen W.T.C. towers was immediately transported to both U.S. and Chines scrap metal yards.”

    In other words, they destroyed the crime scene and the evidence in what amounted to the largest terror op in the history of ZUSA! Why?? That alone should give any thinking human pause.

    PS: have you noticed inZitatus lame attempt at divide and conquer? What an ass-clown this guy is!

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  392. @geokat62

    Geokat62,

    Your claim to be standing upon “scientific method” was actually upon wetland turf, instead of standing upon good (hard) soil as advised in the Gospel. Jesus suggested that one’s being planted in “good soil” promotes both intellectual & spiritual growth.

    But then again, he was only “The Son of Man,” a carpenter’s son, and not a research scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

    At present, geo, I assume Sam The Sham and ‘iffen-iffen are laughing at me for whipping you — a non-opposition controlled (?) “ally.” Whatever “is” is what “is,” and I earned such scorn.

    Although I vowed here to avoid making a return to the 9-11 evidence provided by C. Bollyn, but I pass on the article (below) which covers the topic of scientific method and perception management which concerned the-late Carl Sagan.

    http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/mackey/index.html.

    Please do not bother to respond? I do not want to take up anymore blog space off topic than absolutely necessary. Besides, we could both end up in the Land of Cotton and subservient to Jewish masters.

  393. L.K says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey inZitatus,
    What you omitted, dear asshole, as the dishonest little sob you are, was the context of my spat with this avery. This deluded individual attacked me and Germans quite viciously and I replied in kind… as I always do.
    Nothing much to it. That Germans and Italians have accomplished more than Armenians is just a fact, which does not necessitate any notions of racial superiority. In fact, I have little patience with biological determinists and have myself ridiculed nordicism here at Unz.
    As for Poles, I have cousins who are half Polish and one of them is among my best friends.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  394. L.K says:
    @RobinG

    Robin, don’t distort Bollyn’s work.
    Hard proof can obviously only come from a REAL investigation, which should have taken place right after the attacks in 2001. That NEVER happened.

    Robin ‘Would an official acknowledgement that previous findings were flawed and inconclusive be sufficient?’
    Sufficient for what?

    • Replies: @Art
  395. joef says:

    At the end of the day it probably should be acknowledged that the neocons infiltrated both of the political parties that represent statist (Democrats) and corporatist (Republicans) interest. The Democrats have convinced the average voter to vote against their own rational self interest for the last 40 years, and the Republicans for the last 25 years. They both have had the attitude of ‘just shut up and vote’, while looking upon us as no more than useful idiots.

    While they depended on us to acquire an attitude of learned helplessness, they did not recognize that there was a dissatisfaction brewing with high taxes, underemployment, reverse discrimination, unserviceable debt, collapsing infrastructure, and gun control (the threat of seizing personal property, from law abiding private citizens, without due process, for crimes that they themselves did not commit), They attempted to use wars like Iraq, and future war talk regarding Russia, to distract us from our ever growing national (internal) problems.

    But eventually when the household economy falters, people start to take notice. In other words, once people can no longer pay their monthly bills & expenses, they know something is wrong, and won’t ignore their personal economic problems any longer. Thus, at this breaking point Trump arrived, who was one of the only candidates who was speaking about these problems. And although not a perfect candidate by any means, despite all the MSM attacks, the people saw him as their only choice (among the other same business as usual choices), and voted for him.

    Now the Elites are standing in his way trying their best to make him have a failed presidency. What they do not realize is that people voted for the Trump agenda despite the imperfect man, and just because the elites can eliminate the man Trump, the desire for his agenda will still remain. The political elites probably still believe that they can coral us into the shut up & vote mode again.

    However, the professional political class still do not get the frustration people feel. What they do not realize is that the political dissatisfaction will remain (the genie is out of the bottle), and if middle/working class problems are not recognized and addressed, will lead to a growing social unrest.

    • Replies: @Anon
  396. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    W.T.F., George? What did I do you you? In no way did I sic you upon the topic of determining how many mid-19th century Dixieland slaves were owned by Jews!

    Good one, Chuck.

    As LK pointed out, I’ve had heated exchanges on this topic with another Unz commenter who supposedly took me out to the woodshed and gave me a good spanking. But, for some reason, neither he nor anyone else, was not able to provide a satisfactory response to this query:

    How likely is it that the planners [would] go to the extraordinary lengths they did to create the illusion (by using the top down approach and placing explosives just below predetermined impact zones) that airplanes brought down the TT but to then simply say “boy that was hard work, let’s just save some time/effort and wire bldg 7 in the classic bottom-up CD style,” undoing all their efforts to conceal their nefarious plan. It simply makes no sense.

    It’s as if the Japanese would use airplanes with Soviet markings while attacking 2 ships moored at Pearl Harbor to create the illusion that the Soviets were responsible for the attacks, and then for some strange reason attack the third ship using an airplane with Japanese markings. Makes zero sense. Bottom line: if you’re clever enough to create illusions to cover your tracks, how likely is it that you would cover only two of your tracks, but not all three?

    I agree we should refrain from posting further comments that are unrelated to this thread… so I will leave you with my final views on this topic:

    Maybe it wasn’t OBL & AQ who did it. Maybe it was the Mossad that orchestrated it all… and the 19 hijackers were merely patsies. I really don’t know. Neither do any of you. As I’ve repeatedly stated, if the TC is truly genuine about having an independent investigation opened, you don’t do it on the basis of speculation that the targets were all brought down by CD or missiles, you do it on the basis of the following hard evidence:

    1. the Israelis were shadowing the hijackers prior to the event;
    2. Urban Moving Systems was a Mossad front that supplied the vans in which Mossad agents were apprehended with maps of targets that suggested they were tied into the attacks;
    3. Carl Cameron’s 4-part special investigation that demonstrated the Israelis had tie-ins; and
    4. eyewitness testimony of a woman who spotted the dancing Israelis celebrating just after the first TT was hit but before the second one was hit… suggesting they knew the event was a terrorist attack, while everyone else thought it was an accident.

    Why not call for an independent investigation on the basis of these facts, rather than giving them the opportunity to dismiss it, as most Americans are not persuaded by the CD allegations and never will be. Once the investigation is opened, however, the investigators can then follow the evidence wherever it leads… explosions and all.

    So if the TC is truly interested in pursuing the truth, why not adopt the best path to discovering it?

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @L.K
    , @Paul C.
  397. @L.K

    Hey L.K.,

    As you know, I have a rather short history of acquaintance with geokat62′s comments, and it’s all positive except for the current impasse on who did 9-11.

    I am flabbergasted that geo referenced and praised the lesser work of Mackey, and admitted to not having read Bollyn’s “Solving 9-11″ but for the preface and introduction. W.T.F.? Then he announced an allegiance to (& abiding by) the “scientific method.”

    Now I see why Zionists are so confident that the lies of 9-11 will continue longer than the immortal lies set forth by The Warren Commission on JFK’s assassination.

    Full disclosure, L.K. — I am aware that Christopher Bollyn has come under fair attack because of his insistence that a large volume of nano-thermite was used to take down the W.T.C. towers.

    I fail to recall the writer’s name, but a good journalist from Veterans Today has hammered the joint-Bollyn & B.Y.U. Professor Jones claim that large volumes of nano-thermite was used to disintegrate the Twin Towers. The Veterans Today writer insisted that nuclear weapons caused the towers to crumble in their footprints. What’s more, Christopher Bollyn was called a Zionist stooge, phony.

    For me, I sense that a combination of nuke weapons and nano-thermite did the evil demo job. Doubtless, airplanes piloted by A-rabs did act alone not!

    What’s more, all one has to do is look at available video from the fall of W.T.C. 7 and ask bldg. owner, Larry Silverstein, how that happened. If U.S. police investigation agents indeed questioned L.S. what the hell happened… then why do the American people remain uninformed as to how he managed to give the order to “pull it”?

    Yikes — even (arch enemy) Vladimir Putin has stated that Russia has 9-11 satellite imagery evidence that would smash the official 9-11 Commission Report to pieces! W.T.F.?

    Like JFK’s death ride limo (evidence) was immediately destroyed, so went the 9-11 crime scene evidence. Evil practice makes perfect evil.

    On the matter of weirdo, InZitatus, that you raised: His bullshit is quite impressive because he ably draws one into thinking that he’s really normal and is concerned for the world’s oppressed.

    However, for me, InZitatus’s voice is a teenie-weenie bit of an upgrade from that uttered here by Sam “The Sham” Shama. InZ is an organ grinder who can readily switch tunes, and he knows how susceptible everyone is to dark “divide and conquer” tactics.

    Therefore, it follows that InZitatus is a (non-Jewish) “ass-clown,” but speaking from the perspective of a simple “livery driver,” I have seen too many goofy performances (like his) that appear “educated” but add up to, uh…, Brahmin bullshit.

    Thanks and continue to be unflappable!

    P.S.: geokat62 appears quite young, and I am fairly confident he has time remaining to find his Canadian way home.

    • Replies: @L.K
  398. @geokat62

    Hey George,

    Agreed — it’s best we take hits on “Peace Pipe” and move on with P.G.’s vital NeoCon topic at hand.

    But until the day I die, I will not go silent with regard to the real culprits who sponsored JFK’s murder and those who (still at large) managed the False Flag 9-11 attacks.

    The only path to expose current lies is by an exercise of free speech. That’s the best we cnn do.

    At present, a valid U.S. investigation into 9-11 is impossible because Americans have left their government fall into evil hands.

    Good night!

  399. L.K says:
    @geokat62

    geokat: ‘Why not call for an independent investigation on the basis of these facts, rather than giving them the opportunity to dismiss it, as most Americans are not persuaded by the CD allegations and never will be.’

    Really?
    Poll: More Americans Believe World Trade Center 7 Was Demolished On 9/11 than Believe the Government’s Explanation

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/poll-more-americans-believe-world-trade-center-7-was-demolished-on-911-than-believe-the-governments-explanation.html

    Any real investigation has to look into everything, including the reasons for the absurd CD looking collapse of the 3 towers.
    Plus, most Americans only know what they get from msm, which is invariably a pack of lies anyway. Many people still do not know WT7 was also destroyed that day.

    Re your top-down/bottom-up inconsistency thing, this is just disingenuous. We know the official story is BS due to numerous factors, not just the Physics of the WTC, but without a real investigation one cannot possibly know all the details of what was planned and why things went down the way they did.
    Such seeming contradiction would have been resolved by a real investigation. Duh.

  400. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Be careful with veterans today! A lot of it is disinfo!
    Gordon Duff, the editor, is certainly a disinfo agent. Go to about 4:50 and see duffy boy himself admitt to writing 40% disinfo and that 30% of what is published at vt is false.

    I mean, some of these people talk about aliens and what not…

    Gordon Duff and his then sidekick, one jim Dean? both fiercely sold the ZNATO war of aggression against Lybia.
    They became hysterical when their own readership started to oppose their bs, so they resorted to censorship.
    These folks are up to no good.
    Re 9-11, my take is that they and others push some patently false and idiotic bs, for instance re as to how the towers were demolished, so as to discredit legitimate 9-11 research, such as that of Bollyn and other serious researchers.
    This also the case with that nutjob, Alex Jones.
    Just saying, be careful, avoid being led down the garden path, my friend!

    I have no idea how old geokat is, but if 62 refers to 1962 then he is much older than moi!
    :-)
    Take care

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  401. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @joef

    Keith says:

    “the genie is out of the bottle”

    We are currently living in the American Weimar Republic.

    Our so called democratic parliamentary system has failed us. Just like the Weimar Republic failed Germany in the 1920s.

    A sign of the dire political condition in American is the recent fighting in the streets between Trump supporters and Trump adversaries.

    In Germany the fighting was between the Nationalists and Communists.

    Our government no longer works for the American people.

    A close look at our government’s activities reveals that the only time we have democratics and republicans cooperating and agreeing with each other, is when they vote to support Israel.

    Every pro Israel legislation gets bi partisan support. Why?

    The simple answer: The Zionist own our politicians. They own both parties.

    The middle class doesn’t own the political system.

    Our politicians represent special interests groups. This is who butters their bread.

    Americans are just useful idiots who actually think their vote actually means something.

    When it comes to American interests, our politicians fight tooth and nail with each other.

    This is why nothing will ever be
    done to Make America Great Again.

    Flip from one news channel to another and you will clearly see what I am saying.

    The only solution is to establish a truly American First Party, similar to the 1930s Charles Lindbergh party.

    Trump is totally controlled by the Zionists and Wall Street. He co opted the alternate right patriotic movement and is fooling Americans into thinking he is fighting for the middle class.

    He is the last hope for the Globalists.

    Trump didn’t drain the swamp. He stocked the swamp with alligators bought and paid for by Sheldon Adelson.

    Just fruitless hope for Americans.

    • Replies: @joef
  402. L.K says:
    @iffen

    Zio slime ball ‘iffen iffen’ seems oh so worried about ‘evil’, particularly natzee ‘evil’….

    This ‘humanitarian’ had this to say about the north Koreans in a recent article here;

    http://www.unz.com/emargolis/no-one-needs-another-korean-war/

    18.iffen: “I say nukem.”

  403. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    Thanks for a more complete response. I was beginning to wonder.

    “I was really hoping for a reply along the lines of: Denial of the right of Israel to exist is anti-Semitic because 1, 2, 3, etc.”

    Wish you’d asked in those terms. I believe:
    • Israel has a right to exist and
    • Everyone has a right to exist and {most important}
    • What each of us does now and in future is what really matters.

    Sorry to hear of ambivalence on Truth. When is it easy? God? Sometimes I think he’s on vacation (multi-millennium holiday cruise to different universes?). A tour of Verdun is pretty hard to stomach. Endless graves. Shattered Fort Douaumont. Belgium? The anvil of European aggression. Each of us has to find answers, you know that.

    Just finished helping care for aged parents in their final years. Nursing homes can be ugly. So can death. Why? Can’t pretend to know. Amazing how cold corpses get (like stone in a matter of hours). It’s what we do when warm and alive that’s important.

    I read Elaine Pagels ‘Gnostic Gospels’ years ago. These weren’t accepted into official RC belief. One (if I recall correctly) posited we could realize God on earth in ourselves – total de-emphasis on afterlife. It depended on individual right action. Finding it is often (always?) a patient exercise, a process never perfect. Ancient Hellenes had honor, Christians sanctity, Islam submission, and Jews Tikkun. No doubt other beliefs are similar. I can only say what I’ve gone through convinces me the errant gospel might be right.

    Do some here really believe what they write, especially the nutty bits? No doubt some do. Many may think my posts nutty. I’ve no problem with that, if they’re civil. My guess is some are genuine, some trolls (all sides, hopefully well paid), and some disturbed.

    To be honest, I sometimes think UNZ is an active CIA/DARPA website designed to smoke out loonies (Iran-Contra felon Poindexter advised such after 9/11). Maybe some of the loonies are paid shills?

    “A person who does evil by reason of ignorance is less culpable than a person who, knowing evil, does so anyway?”

    I don’t believe that. Ignorance isn’t an excuse, any more than ‘following orders’ was at Nüremberg. Each of us is responsible for our action. Each must be tireless in determining the morality of our action moment to moment. What saves us when it goes wrong? Asking questions before acting? During the action? I confess, I have no perfect answer. I wish I did.

    Stay well iffen.

    PS. Someone who realizes her grandparents were Nazis. Not the best legacy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/opinion/i-loved-my-grandmother-but-she-was-a-nazi.html?_r=0

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  404. @L.K

    On Veterans Today (V.T.) : “be careful… A lot of it is disinformation.”

    L.K.,

    So you know, I am near following TV “X-Files” motto which is: “Trust No One.” If Gordon Duff is a special disinformation agent, and I note where there’s EVIDENCE for such distinction, that’s his gig — not mine. (Note: Christian concept, “The Narrow Gate,” does not bar corpulent people from entrance, and it’s those who carry a baggage of lies who get nailed by angelic T.S.A agents)

    To try and be as objective as possible while sparring with geokat62, I introduced V.T.’s argument against Christopher Bollyn’s work and his conclusion including nano-thermite as having brought down the Twin Towers.

    Fact is that explosions were reported and nano-thermite cuts see but the chemical does not explode and make “boom.” That’s why I lend credence to V.T.’s argument that nuke weapons were used to take down all three (3) W.T.C. towers

    Re, Al;ex Jones. Can not trust this guy who was eaten up during an interview he conducted with the hated-Dr. David Duke. However, on other hand, I can not comprehend how Mr. Duke threw his principled support to Donald Trump’s candidacy.

    Are you aware that Christopher Bollyn and a V.T. writer appeared at a conference sponsored by The nation of Islam? I’d like to learn more about this event by Google-search. Seems to me that outdoors to the building where the conference was held must have been swarming with CIA/Mossad agents.

    I’d love to be present during such dynamic “talks” but I sense that one would require a measure of “vetting” before allowed entrance. I can picture trusted Nation of Islam armed guards at the door entrance. Were I in L. Farrakhan’s shoes, I’d do that.

    If geokat62 is actually sixty two years old, then there isn’t very much hope for his getting on the “straight and narrow.” Frankly, I figured he was much younger and had time to resist acknowledging what Orwell’s essay described as being “in front of your nose.”

    Thank you… before you know it another thought provoking P. Giraldi article shall appear.

  405. iffen says:

    Just finished helping care for aged parents in their final years.

    My mother, with a serene and intense unfathomable faith of heaven to come, last words to me, “let me go.”

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  406. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    To be honest, I sometimes think UNZ is an active CIA/DARPA website

    I don’t think that there is anything to this rabbit hole except us.

    Failed to attach comment #411 which was intended for you.

  407. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Hello Incitatus,

    I hope you enjoyed a nice day or two of rest and recreation.

    Returning from a day of tranquility with my horses I discover as expected, the cacophony lit up in the bestiary of reptiles and other ne’er do wells. It’s always a sight to behold. The menagerie seems to have expanded a bit, nothing remarkable mind you, yet they seem to have worked themselves up into a jolly good lather. Leave them alone for a day or two, and the results are so predictable.

    I scanned Orloski; the WSJ reading livery driver’s scattered responses to you; curious muddle-head (missed the point of your references) that fellow, at once Uriah Heep and then a passive-aggressive, habitually cloaking himself in the holy garb of working-class virtue; naturally expecting his interlocutors to shower him with recognition. I fear he is finally coming apart at the seams, plaintively beseeching some [the staid geokat in this instance] to embark on the same ship with him. I await the tales of their journey together; everything ought to be ship shape should it occur.

    L.K. the reptile-hybrid has made his entry, accompanied by the usual stench; interestingly, it seems perfectly willing to own up to its sometime-form as a haemorrhoid. Progress of sorts I suppose. Still, the question as to whether it was his Nazi mother or was it his father which visited the reptile pen remains an open one: very different progeny I have all know, bearing crucially on the matter of the hybrid’s ability to procreate. One hopes for the best, naturally.

    Have I left anyone out? Ah Svigor! Thought he was a bit of an eccentric applying that peculiar method of response. When I come to think of it, I am rather persuaded by your attribution of said behaviour to onanism. ‘Viva Viagra SVigor!’, I say then.

    I am yet to compose a worthwhile set of responses to the questions Iffen posed me previously, although your most recent one on the subject of Zionism has done the needful; it stands in full concordance with positions I’ve expressed on more than one occasion.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  408. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    geo, what do you think?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  409. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “My mother, with a serene and intense unfathomable faith of heaven to come, last words to me, “let me go.”

    Thanks iffen. I’ve searched for the same answers. At least your mother called it. I wasn’t so lucky. Mine (98) didn’t recognize me and spent most of her final time with her (long dead) father and siblings. Dad (103) was better, but decline is never pleasant. Life (death?) sucks. But what’s the alternative?

    What did the English say in WW2 London? Carry on?

    Stay well iffen

  410. Ha, Ha!

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    Your comment to InZitatus sounds like Uncle Screwtape’s conversation with Wormwood, in C.S. Lewis’s classic “The Screwtape Letters.”

    One day both you and Inz will sail away and cross the River Styx.

  411. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    PS. Someone who realizes her grandparents were Nazis. Not the best legacy.

    I always study the faces in any new pictures of the crowds at lynchings and KKK meetings.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  412. Incitatus says:
    @L.K

    L.K! Always a pleasure (and greetings Amero-Polish untermenschen Chuck)!

    “What you omitted, dear asshole, as the dishonest little sob you are, was the context of my spat with this avery.”

    Absolutely right L.K. Though I’d like to think, coming from you, I’m a great big rectum and giant SOB if you please. Remember, as I recall, you’re a pesky hemorrhoid (ein kleine Hämorrhoiden).

    OK. I admit I’m perplexed. Chuck, you suggested Prep-H and I added moist wipes. Still the dung bubbles up. Are you both doing your best? Chuck – your hesitancy isn’t due to any doubt übermensch L.K will cut your subhuman throat once empowered? Tell me it’s not so!

    Don’t worry, Chuck. L.K has non-aryan cousins. What a guy! Let him tell it:
    “As for Poles, I have cousins who are half Polish and one of them is among my best friends.”

    I don’t know Chuck. What’s the key phrase here? “Half Polish”? Are you ‘half-Polish’ Chuck? God forbid you’re 100% Polish American You may be out of luck! Ask your pal L.K for his subhuman extermation menu.

    A confection for both of you (enjoy): “ein reich, ein volk, ein Hämorrhoiden!”

    No need to thank me.

    L.K always a pleasure. Chuck – drive safely.

    • Troll: L.K
  413. geokat62 says:

    I’m in the middle of viewing what transpired at WRMEA’s conference at The National Press Club, The Israel Lobby and American Policy.

    I’m about 3/4 of the way through, but thought it might be worthwhile if I shared some of the highlights.

    Grant Smith kicked off the proceedings and put up the following slides:

    Slide 1: Non-profit Israel lobby Ecosystem 2012-2020

    336 nonprofits that place the advancement of Israel as a top priority
    $3.7 billion in revenue growing to $6.3 billion by year 2020
    14,000 employees
    353,000 volunteers
    Estimated membership: 774,000
    Israel affinity nonprofit ecosystem provides Israel with the support that following America’s own interests would not
    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) the main congressional lobby

    Slide 2: Core Israel/lobby Program: Unconditional US Foreign Aid

    Advanced US weapons
    Funds for Israel’s domestic export-oriented military industries
    Packaged into ten-year “Memorandums of Understanding”
    US silence on Israel’s nuclear weapons program “off the table”
    Unconditional: No actions taken by Israel can trigger cuts

    Slide 3: 1949-2016 US AID TO ISRAEL ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION $254 BILLION

    Final Slide: Conclusions

    Majority of Americans believe foreign aid to Israel is “too much”
    Most would spend $38 billion MOU funding other priorities
    When asked, most Americans do not approve of other core Israel lobby programs
    They oppose the primary means by which they are enacted
    These survey results, and the growing awareness of all the bad outcomes, should impact future policymaking
    But only if Americans act to reinstate representative government

    While the keynote speakers included Hanan Ashrawi, John Mearsheimer, and Ilan Pappe, it was the relatively unknown filmmaker, Tom Hayes, who stole the show.

    After peppering his introductory remarks with these brilliant one-liners:

    [The Lobby's] aim is to keep our eyes closed, our mouths shut, and our wallets wide open.

    Israel’s abuse of humanity is a disgusting thing to witness.

    Being in the States is like being dipped in a bath of bullshit.

    Cowardice is an essential nutrient for the Israel Lobby.

    he concluded with this passionate flourish:

    The exclusion of Palestinians voices from American media is racist, and racism is a weakness. It occurred to me that this racism could be weaponized. It could be weaponized against itself. If Palestinians are not acceptable voices to address the situation of Palestinians… what? If the only credible voices to address the conflict are Jewish voices, then what if I crafted a film in which Jewish Israelis- people who actually have skin in the game – told the truth? The result is Two Blue Lines. The film feeds the Zionist snake its own little tail… You know this whole digital technology thing, I think it’s going to be key to crushing the Israel Lobby… I was 9 years old when my mother read me Cry The Beloved Country; I was 39 when Nelson Mandela became president of SA. That book may not have had any more impact than a grain of sand on the struggle against South African apartheid, but a grain of sand on the move can start an avalanche. And if enough of us grains of sand shake our asses loose, we can bury the Israel Lobby. We can clear the road to Palestinian freedom, self determination.

    To which he received a standing ovation.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Chuck Orloski
    , @geokat62
  414. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    geo, what do you think?

    I think it’s food for thought. What do you think?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  415. joef says:
    @Anon

    Just fruitless hope for Americans.

    It is probably true. I do not think it is conspiratorial to believe that elites perform certain actions to promote their own interest. Further, when these interests conflict with the interest of the middle/working class (of all races/groups), the elites will seek those interest at our expense. We are kind of all in the same leaky boat together.

    I have made many vitriolic past comments about afro americans (not Blacks as a racial group, but the subgroup of afro americans themselves as an ethnic group), however I must acknowledge they are just as much a victim of our self serving elites as the rest of us are. Unfortunately for afros, they are firmly under the control of leftist progressive ideology, so cooperation with them would be nearly impossible (they are firmly convinced in the concept of a free lunch and will always be looking for it).

    The solution is probably to roll back the clock on our social/economic dysfunctions to a point in history when things were mostly working well (like rolling back a malfunctioning computer hard drive to a restore point), but we all know that will not happen because of a lack of national consensus. The Libs/Leftist/Progs mindset is to never admit mistakes, and to never understand the concept of a budget.

    Libs/Leftist/Progs try to formulate reality to conform to their own misguided opinions, instead of formulating opinions based on reality. They can not make rational decisions based on empirical evidence and experience, thus they attack it as anecdotal, while making up social science studies that always confirms their own hypothesis. They would all die off if it was not for the protections that modern society provides.

    But they are not going anywhere, and their parasitical ideas will continue to erode the foundation of society, and eventually it will not be able to be sustained at the present level. This is not some wild prediction. This is simply following how we arrived at this point in the last 50 years, examine the continued goals of the Libs/Leftist/Progs and the likely outcomes, and project forward its effects.

    And if we continue on this path, without a reversal (or even a slow down), we will eventually arrive at something that will start to resemble a failed state (at least at a regional/state/local levels). The only good news is under such living conditions, many Leftist/Progs will die off (so will many sincere Libs, which I am not gloating over because I find many sincere Libs are just misinformed, not malicious like most Leftist/Progs are).

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @annamaria
  416. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hi Sam;

    Just found your post. “Horses.”

    I regularly hike through a reserve adjacent to a ‘dude’ ranch. Horses shown backlit in midday sun. Wonderful creatures! What a splendid world we are in, so long as they are here.

    And I’m not just saying that as an equine. I’m concerned about iffen. Read our exchanges.

    For the rest, who cares?

    Stay well.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @iffen
  417. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “I always study the faces in any new pictures of the crowds at lynchings and KKK meetings.”

    Why? Linger passing auto accidents on the highway? Want to get a good view? Everybody does. Welcome to being human.

    Iffen, lighten up!

    Read Vonnegut. None of it makes much sense. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

    The best revenge? Survival.

    Pisses them off like nothing else.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @iffen
  418. @Incitatus

    Re: “Horses.”

    Hey Dude,

    Do you and Sam The Sham do it “bareback”?

    • Replies: @Anon
  419. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Keith says:

    The best post out of the 418. Thanks for bringing the Unz community, including me, back on subject.

    I plan to save the post to inspire others with the passionate flourish. However, I just don’t want to free Palestinians from Zionist power. I want to free America. The Palestinians and the rest of the world will never free themselves, and have some peace, unless America frees inself from the Zionist stranglehold. Hopefully America is the last empire international Jewry can use and abuse to support their interests.

    Until this time, no reason for a standing ovation.

  420. @Incitatus

    InZit to ‘iffen-iffen: “Read Vonnegut. None of it makes much sense.”

    Hey Iffen & Sam The Jewish Cowboy,

    Below is a paragraph form “Slaughterhouse Five”:

    Rosewater was twice as smart as Billy, but he & Billy were dealing with similar crisis in similar ways. They had both found life meaningless, partly because of what they had seen in war. Rosewater, for instance, had shot a fourteen-year old fireman, mistaking him for a German soldier. So it goes. And Billy had seen the greatest massacre in European history, which was the fire-bombing of Dresden. So it goes.”

    post scriptum: Yes — “so it goes.” And 9-11 was the greatest massacre on U.S.soil and it remains an “unsolved case.”

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  421. @geokat62

    Geokat62,

    What do you think is the cause for “exclusion of Palestinian voices from the American media”?

    The major reason why Palestinians are denied their land is because Zionists took the American land, and now want to make citizens “safe & secure” under their terms, & branded the good ole U.S.A. as the “Homeland.”

    As you know, after Pennsylvania’s T. Ridge, Chertoff became the 2nd director of the D.O.H.S. With such racist prejudices, do you think one like him would be open to “clearing the road to Palestinian freedom, self determination”?

    Selah.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  422. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @joef

    Keith Says:

    “I do not think it is conspiratorial to believe elites perform certain actions to promote their own interests”.

    Joef …. thank you for responding to my response. I am in total agreement with your belief that our society is unraveling. This is why I consider the US to be in the same stage as the Weimar Republic, just before the National Socialist Revolution.

    Getting back to the Unz subject, in most countries the elites work together to promote their interests. What is different in America is that we have a Zionist elite ( AIPC, Jewish NeoCons, Jewish Wall Street oligarchs, Zio media) as a separate nation conspiring together to support their own economic and political interests in America and around the world, and that of a foreign nation, Israel. The conspiring includes their ” divide and conquer strategy”. The Communists in the Weimar Republic used the same strategy. This is why the fighting moved from the political arena on to the street.

    This is the main reason why America will never be Great Again, unless we have a revolution.

    Not the co opted Trump phony populist revolution. A truly America First revolution.

    Draining the swamp means taking down the Zionist nation in American.

    • Replies: @joef
  423. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    As you know, after Pennsylvania’s T. Ridge, Chertoff became the 2nd director of the D.O.H.S.

    Chuck, I am reminded of Chertoff and The Israel Lobby every time I travel to the States and have to walk through one of his expensive contraptions:

    Ex-Homeland Security chief head said to abuse public trust by touting body scanners

    Since the attempted bombing of a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

    What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. The relationship drew attention after Chertoff disclosed it on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

    An airport passengers’ rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff, who left office less than a year ago, for using his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123102821.html

    I had an interesting experience one time when I refused to walk through the machine and airport security had to pat me down. I told the young man assigned the task to be gentle with me, as it was my first time.

  424. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Why? Linger passing auto accidents on the highway?

    No, I usually avert my gaze. I didn’t even like watching American Idol when they made fun of the clueless and talent deprived. (Of course some were in on the joke and enjoyed it.)

    Why?

    Looking for familiar faces, grandpa, great grandpa, great uncles, etc.

  425. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Keith says:

    Sam is just trying to get you upset. He is bragging to let you know he is a rich Jewish Wall Street oil speculator who owns horses. I would bet he doesn’t personally care for the horses. That is for the dumb goy.

    Love for horses includes loving care.

    His writings exposes his Jewish supremacist ideology, the same ideology the Jews projected onto the Germans.

    Is there a difference between we are the Master Race and We are Gods Chosen?

    Notice how the Jewish Zionists banded together and now the Unz is being used to exchange comrade niceties, instead of responding to Americans who despise the NeoCons.

    Don’t you wish they would stay on the subject, instead on their usual diversions to their interests. Very typical.

    Notice their name calling went from using their trick “antisemitism” to NAZIs 88.

  426. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Iffen, lighten up! Read Vonnegut.

    Thanks. It’s been almost forty-five years so maybe a refresher would do me good and help me too!

    For the rest, who cares?

    Don’t write things like this, they will crucify you for not being a humanitarian. They might have their job applications in for pellet dropper or even oven master, but, by God, they are not brutish louts, they are humanitarians extraordinaire.

    I’m concerned about iffen…

    Thanks, again, don’t worry, it’s all political angst. I just found out that Thomas Paine could be the poster child for the Noble Savage and the Blank Slate. I find that Edmund Burke’s foundation is much more to my liking and much stronger than Paine’s. Now I am surrounded by Burkettes and the frigging Little Platoons everywhere I turn. But, that’s what happens when you fail to read in depth for a better understanding. I feel like one of the Woodchuck’s fantasy cheerleaders, seduced by a few clever phrases, abused in the rumble seat, dumped out and kicked to the curb.

    Sometimes it’s what people do when nobody’s looking that means the most.

    Care to balance this against the value of what one does when one’s comrades are watching?

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  427. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I think it’s food for thought. What do you think?

    I think that it is not out of the question.

    I doubt Putin’s explanation.

    I think that if it was intentional then it was meant to serve the purpose that it serves today.

    Any article or discussion about Russia/US relations always includes the obviously erroneous assertion that Russia attacked Georgia, it is a permanent part of the false litany.

  428. iffen says:
    @Anon

    Don’t you wish they would stay on the subject, instead on their usual diversions to their interests. Very typical.

    The topic is the Jewish question, or if you prefer, the Jew-matrix and that covers a lot of ground.
    Nothing, meaning nothing, is off topic.

    However:

    1) We have a president who is belligerent towards Iran,

    2) who is sending “boots on the ground” to fight ISIS,

    3) who loves Israel passionately

    4) and who is increasing already bloated defense budgets.

    Four positions that are the heart and soul of neocons: throw in social liberal and you have the very definition of neocon.

    The current Prez is all in on these four, but the neocons hate him and are, and did, everything to try and destroy him.

    Maybe there is a problem with my thinking concerning neocons.

    Naw, let me read the tea leaves to get the explanation that I want.

    • Replies: @Art
  429. Art says:
    @L.K

    Hard proof can obviously only come from a REAL investigation, which should have taken place right after the attacks in 2001. That NEVER happened.

    There are a hundred angles to the 9/11 story that do not add up. The planes bringing down the twin towers is only one of them. We are allowing ourselves to be diverted from all the others.

    Where was NORAD that day, how did the wallet of ones of the hijackers magically appear on the ground, why was the owners whole family absent from work that day, why were the airline stock dealings never exposed, what about the phone call to some people in the building, why were Jews in charge of all the investigations, to what extend did the Mossad spying on the hijackers go, ext., ext.

    To much bad has happened because of 9/11 – we the American people must demand a new inquiry – just because we want one.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. If Trump is stymied by the globalist Deep State – he should go for a 9/11 investigation.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @L.K
  430. @Anon

    Hey Anon (Keith)

    Sam The Sham is far from upsetting me. In paraphrase to Springsteen’s words from the great song “Dead Man Walking” — “A pale horse is coming and Sam’s goin’ riding.”

    As you know, The Sham’s rarely “on topic” it is always HIS topic. Besides, likely 98% of the time he does not read Mr. Giraldi’s articles. How could Sam The Sham ever stay “on topic”?

    Please look at Vice President Mike Pence’s address to AIPAC, delivered yesterday? Pence gets handsomely rewarded for his never straying from the Supremacist Jews primary topic… that upsets me, Anon!

    I suppose you note that Sam The Sham never tackles your sensible & logical postings. For that matter, neither does InZitatus! Why is that? Answer: Their logic breaks with common sense & human decency; intellectual virtues once heralded by T. Paine.

    Refer to Pence’s disgusting words (below) delivered to The Chosen Lobby?

    • Replies: @Art
  431. Art says:
    @iffen

    The current Prez is all in on these four, but the neocons hate him and are, and did, everything to try and destroy him.

    Trump is hated by most Jews because he says “American First.” Trump exhibits an old school 50’s love of America. The Jews have a 60 year vested interest in demeaning AMERICA. It is politically incorrect to say “one America.” Clearly now we are a divided America.

    We used to say “our country,” but in the 60’s the Jew MSM changed that to a dismissive “this country.” The ungrateful 60’s liberal hippy boomer generation ate it up and destroyed the generous culture that fostered them. Their children now live under the Deep State thumb of the progressive globalist Jews.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. We are now a powerful pariah among nations – how sad.

  432. @Art

    “… we the American people must demand a new (9-11) inquiry.”

    Art,

    Regret to say that the implementation of the above REASONED sentence is impossible.

    Such a common sense citizen initiative is way (!) beyond the reach of Americans. Besides, Art — there never was a real 9-11 investigation in the first place.

    If so, & I am wrong, can anyone here at Unz Review please describe the “fruit” of such U.S. stilted investigation into 9-11? That is of course beyond “kick starting” the War Against Evil, the War for Western Civilization — the “fruit” the 9-11 massacre which B. Netanyahu called “good for Israel.”

    The Trump administration is “One” with, and is accountable to the Jewish Deep State. Where he to actually “go for” an authentic (America First) 9-11 investigation, he would be gone.

    Can anyone here point to daylight existing between Israel and the Trump administration?

    Thanks, Art… I been wondering where you be and peace be with you!

  433. Art says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Their logic breaks with common sense & human decency; intellectual virtues once heralded by T. Paine.

    Chuck Orloski — you know all the good guys – Thomas Paine is a great America hero.

    THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

  434. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Hi Iffen,
    Just finished reading your exchanges with Inctitatus. You are one of the most honest and discerning people I’ve run across on the internet, which is why it troubles me more than a bit you are in the throes of an angst arising on account of politics.

    I don’t pretend to any wisdom I can offer, but mon ami, politics is, what it has always been: the last refuge of scoundrels, and we are all to various degrees, scoundrels. So why anguish over it?

    I’ve never been puzzled by eschatology since biochemistry solves those questions, though I’ve always felt the need to approach my daily routine with a sense of a power greater than myself, one which prompts me to focus on the “now” in ways which don’t veer from the principles of Tikkun Olam. I don’t always succeed, but I do feel it knock me on the head when I stray excessively.

    On Israel’s right to exist: Trivial for a Jew to reiterate it. Anti-Semites have always resisted the principle for reasons which constantly change shape, so I’m not concerned by their miserable bleats. What does concern me are the well-propounded ethics of Tikkun Olam and the responsibility of Jews and the Jewish nation towards Palestinians. We have a clear responsibility in my book, one which I try to persuade those who exert influence, to honour. It’s going to be a longish slog but I’m not about to open my methods for examination, as it were; not for anti-semites certainly, nor for unrealistic but well-meaning people to offer irrelevant input.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @L.K
    , @L.K
    , @Art
    , @iffen
  435. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I do care, very much so, for my horses. I’ve been with them since I was a seven-year-old lad. I feed them the best, hose them down after a sprint and jumps, pick their hooves and brush them down. Of course, there are others at the stable looking after them full-time – bills one has to pay, don’t you know?

    Moral of this little rejoinder: you unfailingly assume the worst of people merely because they happen not to agree with every word you write. That is regrettable.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  436. @Sam Shama

    Sam The Sham says to poor iffen: “… I’m not about to open my methods for examination.”

    Right on, Sam The Sham! Shudder a horse kicked you off and knocked some sense into your head? If so — I support the horse!

    Lucky for the W. Bush administration & P.Zelikow that their 9-11 (non) investigative methods remain un-open for real “examination.” What do you & your “Flicka” friends think about that spur?

    I know what you are. Indeed, Shammy, you do not have any “wisdom” to offer here beyond that of sophomore level hasbara b.s.

    Your “scoundrel” Zionist politics is exactly what America needs to defeat in order to rise (intact) from out of the “longish slog” flames. I know what you are. Others “bleats” do too.

    Also, it’s extremely lucky for Larry Silverstein, owner of the W.T.C. towers, that he avoided serious U.S. criminal investigative methods into the cause for all three to disintegration into their footprint!

    Where is TV’s Lieutenant Columbo when we “Anti-Semites” need him?

    Put your “well propounded” but largely ignored “Tikkun Olam” aside for an hour or so, and watch an METV “Columbo” episode where he interrogates a sleazy real estate baron! .

    Imagine the latter “P.O.I.” changing places with Larry Silverstein and a requirement for his having to answer to a (non) NeoCon affiliated Lieutenant Columbo?

    “Imagine,” said the late-John Lennon who refused knighthood from the Crown.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  437. @Sam Shama

    “MY horses.”

    Oh, did you create life? You’re only a visitor here on Earth like the rest of us. What you think you “own” is fleeting. You hypocrite — “Love & house my horses…,” and it’s OK to foreclose on Palestinian & American opportunities for well being.

    Pssh. I know what you are.

    Had you sincerely read your scriptures & internalized them, you would realize that even you are a creation of God and no one owns title to you but “I Am Who Am.”

    Had Noah been party to this comment thread, he’d offer liberation to your favorite horse and give you a good pressure wash & scrubbing.

    psshaw… Selah. Support the Taliban horses!

  438. L.K says:
    @Art

    Art: ‘There are a hundred angles to the 9/11 story that do not add up.’
    You are correct Art, that is why I wrote:
    ‘We know the official story is BS due to numerous factors, not just the Physics of the WTC
    Take care

  439. L.K says:
    @Sam Shama

    Zio boy shameless to fellow zio slimeball iffen-iffen: “Just finished reading your exchanges with Inctitatus. You are one of the most honest and discerning people I’ve run across on the internet..”

    Pffff….buhahaHAHAHAAHA
    You are hilarious shameless!!! Thanks for the hearty laugh!!
    Now let me correct that for ya: ‘You are one of the most DIShonest and idiotic people I’ve run across on the internet..”
    Now, there ya go! That sentence applies to you as well as to iffen-iffen!

  440. L.K says:
    @Sam Shama

    shameless: ‘On Israel’s right to exist: Trivial for a Jew to reiterate it’

    The artificial entity of israel as such will cease to exist, sooner or later.
    Mark my words, boy.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  441. L.K says:

    On Israel’s alleged “right to exist”, writes former British Middle East correspondent and author, Alan Hart, in his article ‘Israel’s Right To Exist?’:

    According to history as written by the winner, Zionism, Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947. This is propaganda nonsense.

    In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.

    Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.

    The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the U.S. knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force given the extent of Arab and other Muslim opposition to it; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.
    So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid) and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine – after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away, effectively surrendering to Zionist terrorism – was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the U.S. was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence – actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration.

    The truth of the time was that the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of pre-planned ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist UNLESS … Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved.

    And that legitimacy was the only thing the Zionists could not and cannot take from the Palestinians by force.

  442. L.K says:

    Must see! Jewish American journalist and Middle East analyst Jeffrey Blankfort takes gatekeeper Chomsky and others to the woodshed for a good spanking!
    ‘Are there Israel lobby gatekeepers and damage control squads on the Left? National Summit to Reassess the U.S.-Israel “Special Relationship” on March 7, 2014 at the National Press Club.

    ‘The Israel Lobby and the Left: Uneasy Questions’

    http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/pg-blankfort.html#main

  443. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Those I am not going to discuss my methods with are derelicts like you. But you flatter yourself which is nothing new, by including Iffen in that set.

    Fraudster.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  444. Sam Shama says:
    @L.K

    Mark my words, nitwit reptile, it isn’t. Your bones shall be dust as those of your blood for a thousand generations and Israel shall live.

    Enjoy swallowing your spittle.

    :-)

  445. @Sam Shama

    Sam The Sham,

    If I am a “fraudster,” prove it.

    My life is pretty much of an “open” book since I started to protest (in writing) the immoral and unnecessary April 2003 U.S. attack on Iraq.

    Lots of material that wrote can be found via a Google-search of my name on the internet. I’d love for you to take examples and give evidence that I am a “fraudster.”

    But as I think further on the above statement, I come to realize that it’s a compliment when one such as you brands me anything but a “fraudster.”

    Just this, Sam The Sham? Please, please — can either you, ‘iffen-iffen or InZitatus provide any credible evidence which supports the veracity of the W. Bush/P. Zelikow 9-11 Commission report?

    Like Carl Bernstein, I believe the Neoconservatives were behind 9-11. They were the anointed “fraudsters” who developed plans for The American New Century! .

    Americans are always asked to disprove Zelikow’report, but now is the time for

  446. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Don’t write things like this, they will crucify you for not being a humanitarian.”
    I know. They’re out to crucify any/everyone on the thinnest pretext. Why? Conflict (combat) is what they’re after.

    It’s a game, something to pass the time. No genuine knowledge required. Only opinions (everybody has them). Amazing how quickly it becomes an echo-chamber. With the same threadbare sources. All out for blood. The desperate use derogatory names, mischaracterizations and slurs. An obvious admission they’ve run out of anything but blind hate. Did they torture small animals in youth? Who knows? Well, maybe they know.

    Thank the internet. One can sit in solitary splendor and conquer the universe. Recount all ills and suggest cures. Parse history to support whatever position you need. All without leaving the nest.

    It’s not reality. Want reality? Turn the power off. How many would say what they write to someone in the same room?

    Conspiracies? To paraphrase Balzac, they’re what makes the unimportant feel powerful. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist. They do. The most far-fetched are junk-food to some. They afford a mission otherwise missing from lives. More often they’re the last people able to unravel them.

    Sometimes wonder what would happen if those most offensive about Israel, Muslims, – you name it -were offered guns and told to go for it. It’s one thing to sit at the computer in your parent’s basement, another to pull a trigger.

    Nazis crossed that threshold. Mostly police reserve battalions. But it started with euthanasia of the defenseless, the useless eaters – Aktion T4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4). The killing blossomed (there was more than enough hate to go around). Jews. Poles (you there Chuck?), Gypsies, etc. The list was long and always growing. In the end Adolf added Germany (unworthy of survival – read Speer). Wagner gone amuck. Millions died (Germans included).

    It’s dangerous. It can happen too easily. Hate Jews? Muslims? Catholics? Native Americans? Fill in the blank. Make sure you’re on the right side of the gun, or the one handing out the rope. Because it can just as easily happen to you if this is the standard of justice you endorse.

    Some of it happened in the Terror. Debts begging cancellation? A problem with the seigneur or local cleric? To the guillotine! Drown them in the Loire! Admiration for Paine is tempered by France 1790s. Same with Jefferson.

    “balance this against the value of what one does when one’s comrades are watching?”

    Always assume everyone is watching. That makes it easy. Including your children. Including posterity centuries in the future (if we have one). What would the progeny of some posters think if reading their texts?

  447. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    What does concern me are the well-propounded ethics of Tikkun Olam and the responsibility of Jews and the Jewish nation towards Palestinians. We have a clear responsibility in my book, one which I try to persuade those who exert influence, to honour.

    You at the AIPAC coven today – protesting or participating?

    Peace to a conflicted man — Art

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  448. Incitatus says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hello Chuck,

    I love Vonnegut. Player Piano, Cat’s Cradle, The Sirens of Titan – all of them (some not so good, but we all have bad days). I reread them regularly. Slaughterhouse Five is great, and it’s kind of you to reference it. The film is also a favorite.

    Of course you know he’s saying life is crazy. He recounts the bombing of Dresden, family disfunction (don’t we all have it), living extra-terrestrially, and vindictive assassination. Which part of the novel did you intend to highlight? Just Dresden?

    The Allied bombing of Dresden ‘45 killed 25k innocents. Terrible without doubt. About the same number of Poles killed in Warsaw Sep ‘39. Any tears for them? Or were they strategic? How about the 150,000+ Poles killed in Warsaw Aug-Oct ‘44 when the Nazis decided to level the city? Tears for them? Quotes from novels? I’m all ears.

    I have faith in you Chuck. I disagree with some. You’re not a fraud. You’re the genuine article. Just what article remains to be determined, but such is life. I continue to expunge any doubt from my mind.

    Chuck, you’ve not questioned L.K about where you (a Pole) stand on his list. Sure, his best friend is half- Polish. Is he still alive? Does L.K’s affection mean he’ll regret your ‘strategic” death a little more when he pulls the trigger?

    Weighty questions, I admit. Uncomfortable. Best expunged. I’ll settle for you asking L.K’s opinion on the Nazi rape of Poland ‘39? Justified? Strategic? Something your grandparents would have approved? Ask him. It’s pretty simple. Afraid?

    Drive safely.

    PS. Remember the moist wipes. Use them first, Prep-H second. Best to L.K.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  449. Paul C. says:
    @geokat62

    Hi Geokat,

    I enjoying reading your commentary.

    With regard to 9/11 though, how does your research, through Ryan Mackey or otherwise, explain the symmetrical collapse of WTC 7 in 6 seconds? No steel structure has ever collapsed from fire and NIST’s own conclusion was that the collapse was “progressive” and not symmetrical which is contrary to what the videos show. NIST refuses to this day to share their analysis which is not how science is done. They then admitted there was some free fall acceleration. But yet there’s no explanation or discussion other than on the alternative media.

    Why would Larry Silverstein purchase the twin towers, given the billions of dollars worth of liabilities attached to them, because of the need to remediate the asbestos? Is he just dumb? Is it a coincidence that he took out terrorism insurance and netted $4.8 billion?

    Chris Bollyn’s two “Solving 9-11″ books are must reads for those wanting to understand how this event occurred. The one book contains his original articles as he researched and compiled evidence over a 12 year period. I hope you decide to read them and share your thoughts. All the best.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  450. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Allright, I unsay what I said about Chuck being a fraud, stand corrected, and await his questioning L.K. re: the Nazi rape of Poland, 1939.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  451. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    I am not at the AIPAC conference, but my cousins and friends are. They tell me it is the usual lovefest between politicians and the membership. Plus the music shows. Idan Raichel apparently. Soulful fellow, Idan. You’ll like his music; all about life, philosophy and the brotherhood of man.

    Peace to you Art.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  452. annamaria says:
    @joef

    “This is simply following how we arrived at this point in the last 50 years…”

    Not to defend the current “Leftists and Progressives” (who differ not from the Cheney-Rove homo-reptilian GOP at all), but the social justice re workers, women, children, education, infrastructure 50 years ago was due, to a large extent, to many efforts and sacrifices from the old-school lefties and progressives. The word “socialism” is anathema only for those who do not recognize a difference between the Norway-style care for the whole society (healthcare, education, childcare) and the open feudalism of the “financialized” US.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/after-i-lived-in-norway-america-felt-backward-heres-why/

    • Agree: L.K
  453. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    it troubles me more than a bit you are in the throes of an angst arising on account of politics

    Thanks. I hope I am not jumping the shark with this:

    The science of the good for man is politics.
    Ethica Nicomachea Aristotle

    Just grumbling out loud, I guess I came off as needy, hopefully not as badly as the Woodchuck. I’ll be okay once I get the ducklings back in line. Just because natural rights do not exist, doesn’t mean I have to stop believing in their virtue and normative value.

    On Israel’s right to exist: Trivial for a Jew to reiterate it.

    Of course, I wouldn’t expect you to. I may be a little dense because Incitatus had confused me with his reference to Zionism. I can’t see how to separate Israel from Zion.

    I was concerned that maybe there are Jewish neocons who intentionally or not concentrate more on Israel than the US. So what, at the extreme, how many non-Jewish Benedict Arnolds have there been? I was concerned that maybe it was different now that Israel is a reality. Then it dawned upon me that it is no different just because Israel exists. The Jews, and other minorities, have been accused of disloyalty forever. Israel is just an excuse. They didn’t need Israel to condemn the Jewish Bolsheviks or the German bankers. Supposed disloyalty in favor of Israel is just one new verse in a very old song.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @annamaria
  454. annamaria says:
    @Sam Shama

    “…usual lovefest between politicians and the membership.”
    Here comes Tony Blair, loved and admired by the Lobby to the extreme. And why? – For his special role in the illegal Iraq War. The current slaughterhouse in the Middle East is a dream come true for the “most moral aka chosen” of ziocon persuasion. Mr. Blair is a pathology, a stinky stain on humanity, a recognized war profiteer, a dishonorable man in a full meaning of the word. Very fitting for this lovefest between Tony and the Lobby. They are made for each other.
    “…brotherhood of men.” Poor Idan.

  455. @Sam Shama

    “I… await his (Chuck’s) questioning L.K. re: the Nazi rape of Poland, 1939.”

    Whenever fraudsters,i.e., Sam The Sham & InZ, want to falsely defend the best interests of Polish Roman Catholics (who suffered miseries under Jewish financial control) they turn to the Nazi invasion of Poland, September 1939. Psshew!

    Post-WW II, while knowing how Britain went to war to liberate Poland, artful deception specialists go silent about how Churchill & FDR criminally ceded Poland into Stalin’s Soviet orbit. Solzhenitsyn knew this truth and he did time in Stalin’s Lubyanka.

    Earlier in this very “comment” thread, I wrote about the above Allied hypocrisy and referred to an excellent book called “I Saw Poland Betrayed,” authored by U.S. Ambassador to Poland, Bliss Lane.

    Nobody commented on Poland’s fate until now. Why? The timeline wasn’t ripe for S.S. & InZ’s lies to spring! What’s more, today’s Polish-Americans are fed that U.S. missiles are staged in Poland to protect them from Iranian nuclear missile attack. Oh jeezuz.

    Consequently, Sam The Sham and InZitatus need to either upgrade or discard their deception skills on P. Giraldi’s presentation on (past & present) Neoconservative “clear & present danger” before I would ever try and “pin down” L.K. on horrors that occurred in the direct aftermath of the Versailles Treaty’s economic killing of Germans.

    Shammie, I feel no relief for your having reversed calling me a “fraudster.”‘

    As you know, long ago on this Blog, you struck hard & honestly by calling be a “viral bacteria strain.” Had you even a part-per-million of courage of your demented (IQ 204) convictions, you would immediately recall any apologies and I would sincerely have more (reverse) respect for you, my chickenhawk ENEMY.

    To reiterate, I like when puss mouths attack me!

    post scriptum to L.K.: The dead of 9-11 and the aftermath Wars of (U.S./Israeli) Terror would spit at these two vultures (S.S. & InZ) before they’d even get one bite into their corpses. Thanks for circling high around the living Neoconservatives and exposing their evil “feeding’ deeds against humanity.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  456. geokat62 says:
    @Paul C.

    I enjoy reading your commentary.

    Thanks, Paul C.

    With regard to 9/11 though, how does your research, through Ryan Mackey or otherwise, explain the symmetrical collapse of WTC 7 in 6 seconds? No steel structure has ever collapsed from fire and NIST’s own conclusion was that the collapse was “progressive” and not symmetrical which is contrary to what the videos show.

    Here’s what Ryan Mackey has to say on p. 115 about Sudden Collapse and “Virtually Free-Fall Speed”:

    The NIST timeline above proves that the collapse was not particularly sudden, and also refutes any claim of “virtually free-fall speed.” The timeline demonstrates that 8.2 seconds transpired between the initiating events and the onset of global collapse, making the total collapse time roughly 15 seconds in duration. Dr. Griffin has badly estimated both, and as a result, his argument proceeds from a false premise.

    I attach an image of the NIST timeline for your perusal:

    http://imgur.com/vwpDizl

    Why would Larry Silverstein purchase the twin towers, given the billions of dollars worth of liabilities attached to them, because of the need to remediate the asbestos? Is he just dumb? Is it a coincidence that he took out terrorism insurance and netted $4.8 billion?

    This topic is out of scope for Ryan Mackey’s paper.

    I hope you decide to read them and share your thoughts.

    Tell you what Paul C. (and others), I’ll commit to reading the rest of CB’s book and I hope that you all will commit to reading Ryan Mackey’s 306-page paper… and, sometime in the future, we can compare notes.

  457. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Addendum

    I almost forgot to respond to your point about symmetry.

    Here’s what Ryan Mackey has to say on p. 117 regarding Symmetry of Collapse:

    Similar to his argument in the WTC Towers, here Dr. Griffin claims (and cites Dr. Jones in support) that the vertical collapse would require the simultaneous failure of all of the support columns.

    We have already described, for the WTC Towers, why this is not correct, and how instability leads to multiple failures over a period of seconds to fractions of a second. This explains why the collapses are, to first approximation, symmetrical. We have also described why a tall structure cannot topple sideways, viz. due to the inability of long columns to support this motion without buckling.

    Furthermore, the NIST Timeline above proves, without a doubt, that the failure of WTC 7 supports was not simultaneous. The first movement in the structure occurred 8.2 seconds before the total collapse began, indicative of some structural elements failing internally. The south face of the structure began to collapse 1.2 seconds before the rest of the structure. These simple facts, discernable from video of the event, demonstrate that Dr. Griffin’s premise is false.

  458. @WorkingClass

    …Straight White American Males.

    Never use their degenerate assignments. We are Normal, not straight!

    Always enjoy your comments.

  459. joef says:
    @Anon

    You will probably not see an America First revolution, because of the lack of any strong cooperation/consensus. History is a good teacher, but it does not ever repeat itself exactly. I believe that we are setting ourselves up for something that will be much worse than the hyperinflation of the Weimar Republic.

    Germany was mostly socially stable without a huge subset population (afro americans) that basically has a parasitical economic relationship with its host country. Germans still had a valid education system, where ours has been failing for decades. Germany did not have a narcissistic generation (of millennials) that cannot cope with hardship. Germany did not have the levels of urban violent crime that we have. Their debt levels were artificially imposed by the Versailles Treaty (the primary cause of the hyperinflation, Hitler’s rise, WW2, Holocaust, & subsequent Iron Curtain), where our debt is voluntarily self initiated and still continues unabated. Germany mostly had good infrastructure, while ours fall into disrepair.

    At best we are becoming the next version of stagnated Japan (unlikely because they actually are a nation of savers, while we are nation of consumers), or at worst Zimbabwe; or something in between (Greece, Argentina, Venezuela), and it will be long term (like the end of Rome). You are already seeing the canary in the coalmine with Detroit, Stockton Cal, East St Louis, and Camden NJ. Additionally the unserviceable debt level is actually a worldwide phenomenon, so there will be no other nation to financially rescue us from our own fiscal irresponsibility.

    The correction will come at the local level with some communities adapting, rebuilding, and thriving, while others fall into deeper decline. As governments become less capable of functioning, history shows us that warlords frequently take their place. This will probably be the condition in many parts of our nation (and the world). That is our future if there is no course correction, and I do not see any indication of one. Pray that I am wrong.

  460. Art says:
    @iffen

    I can’t see how to separate Israel from Zion.

    If I were a Jew living in Israel I would pick up my family and leave.

    It is true – one cannot separate Israel from Zion. And that is the reason for leaving. In the current Israeli government Netanyahu is a moderate – the rest of his cabinet is to the right of him. Eventually he will be replaced by someone more extreme then him.

    There is no real alternative opposition to the right – typical of the Jew strategy of divide and conquer, the old Labor party is splintered and has no real power. There is nothing to pull Israel to the center. Zion has all the levers of power and Zion wants it all, every square inch of Palestine and beyond. Those people are manic, they cannot stop.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. History says that Israel will self-implode and the world will do a Carthage on them.

  461. @joef

    Sadly, I agree with you completely. Good insights and very well put.

  462. @jacques sheete

    Also JS, check out” hologram of liberty” by Kenneth Royce.

  463. @Ace

    I cough up at least 40 percent of my wages to the IRS. They tell me that this sort of theft is Constitutional. Doesn’t seem very neutral to me.

  464. @geokat62

    Re: issue of Larry S. W.T.C. ownership; “This topic is out of scope for Ryan Mackey’s paper.’

    George,

    No one here WANTS to debunk either your stands or Mackey’s work on how, who, what did 9-11.

    Your debate opponents desire you to read and discern Bollyn’s powerful evidence in “Solving 9-11.”

    The challenge for me to read R.M.’s 306-page paper is fair but, & as you assert, when key matters involving Larry Silverstein are “out of scope” for Mr. Mackey, we are not talking an apple-to- orange comparison!

    Mackey’s and Bollyn’s works may either synthesize or separate at some points, but EACH demand a verdict and action.

    A question: What prevents a serious U.S. government reinvestigation of 9-11 but Zionist (Neoconservative) say so. What prevents the families of 9-11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia? (Sigh)

    Please finish reading Bollyn and you’ll be ahead of We the “Others”?

    I’m off now to P.G.’s new article on AIPAC come to town! Thank you.

    • Replies: @L.K
  465. Avery says:
    @Anon

    {If you did you would have learned that Hitler’s attack (Operstion Barbarossa) on the Soviet Union was a preemptive strike.}

    _You_ would have learned that the revisionist nonsense has been debunked by several historians, amongst them American historian Col David M. Glantz in his book “Stumbling Colossus: The Red Army on the Eve of World War (Modern War Studies)”. Read a book, instead of watching Youtube videos. Stalin was terrified of Hitler, and did everything not to provoke him. Even after Hitler had invaded, initially Stalin kept sending raw materials to Germany and forbade his military to fight back, irrationally hoping Nazi invasion was just a border skirmish.

    The ‘preemptive strike’ meme is being spread to absolve the genocidal war criminal Nazis of murdering 10s of millions.

    {When the Soviets got to Berlin and put the Hammer & Sickle on the Reichstag,
    the photo had to cropped because each heroic soldiers had several stolen watches on each of their arms as they raised the flag.}

    Sour grapes: they ‘stole ?’ watches from Nazi scum? Good.
    It’s called war booty. The savage Nazi invaders murdered 10s of millions of Soviet citizens, mostly Slavs, and destroyed most of the USSR.
    Nevertheless, they did raise it over the alleged ’1000 year Reich’, and also pissed on the ashes of ‘Master Race’ (sic) head-psycho.

    {Did you forget George Patton wanted to push the Soviets out of Europe, but he was murdered by ?}

    Patton was a senile old fool, a loudmouth, who was cashiered by Gen Bradley (and Gen Eisenhower) for praising Nazis. Patton was a nobody who was made famous by Hollywood, not because he was an outstanding general.
    He was a bitter old man who made general too late in his life and irrationally considered himself some kind of Caesar.

    As to addressing the rest of the nonsense in your post: too many to waste any more time.

    • Replies: @L.K
  466. Incitatus says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    “Nobody commented on Poland’s fate until now.”

    I’ve been tiresome in raising it. Look at my posts last summer, especially with Rurik.

    I appreciate your reluctance to question L.K on Poland ‘39. One never knows how übermenschen will react. Sometimes it’s better to pretend the question was never asked or introduce irrelevancy. Forget L.K. He’s probably busy with Bund meetings anyway. How do you feel about the Nazi invasion of Poland ‘39? Strategic? Justified? A love-fest between subhumans and the Master Race?

    Thanks for the Lane tip. Looks interesting – I’ve put it on my list (seriously). Have you read Synder’s ‘Bloodlands’ and ‘Black Earth’? Pretty grisly stuff. Nobody comes out looking good.

    Poland seems a favorite anvil in the east. Like Belgium in the west, but more horribly abused. Ukraine and Belorussia didn’t fare much better. Yalta was betrayal, there’s no good excuse. A world devastated and exhausted by war?

    You’re upset with postwar Allied sellout to the Soviets (and should be). How do you feel about Adolf’s partnership with Stalin ‘39-’41? He didn’t have a problem giving Joe sloppy seconds in Poland.

    “today’s Polish-Americans are fed that U.S. missiles are staged in Poland to protect them from Iranian nuclear missile attack.”

    Completely agree. It’s ridiculous and specious. Raytheon and other contractors seem the only beneficiaries.

    Forgive me Chuck. This is unpleasant for me. I have to call your attention to something embarrassing. You know, it’s like having Thanksgiving dinner at a friend’s house and telling him a bit of food escaped his mouth. Fraternal help, so to speak. The pet names you increasingly use? They appear desperate, like you can’t answer simple questions. Enough said.

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts on Poland ‘39.

    Drive safely.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Chuck Orloski
  467. @joef

    “At best we are becoming the next version of stagnated Japan… That is our future if there is no course correction.”

    Joef,

    Logical thought and well expressed… thank you!

    First off, I see no evidence that a “course correction” is on the present U.S./Zionist planning board. The best President Trump can do is offer incentives for U.S. manufacturers to stay home.

    For all the reasons you noted above, to truly “Make America Great Again” needs more than just vote-getting pitches that consist of rebuilding U.S. infrastructure & erecting a southern border wall, and uniting the nation, is the panacea that gets the job done.

    For years, the highly respected historian, Paul Kennedy, has described the current condition of the American Empire economy as “mature.” In such troubled case, & Mr. Kennedy’s not a prophet, but he points out that another world war is crucial for empire’s to become “great again.” For me, that’s very troublesome, and I’ll continue.

    The rapid move toward global economy begun under the Reagan administration, through G.H.W. Bush 1-term and culminating with Clinton’s Nafta had set the stage for America’s deindustrialization, and the corporate feeding trough euphemistically called “job offshoring and outsourcing.”

    America’s legislative and executive branches foisted Globalization upon the population without a NEED for electoral “say-so” beyond the common peoples suffering pain and an option ” to throw the bums out.”

    Americans had no direct vote upon the N.W.O.’s globalization killing machine. Instantly, Corporate Media & sold out OP-ED artists opined that economic globalization was “inevitable” and American people have no other choice but to ACCEPT

    During the Clinton presidency, the corporations and oligarchs benefited from “Globalization” as an ephemeral “Dot.Com” boom happened, & Americans were tricked into thinking that they can do the brain/service work while Third World citizens could do repetitive labor; i.e.; cut cloth, sew buttons, place desert camouflage cover upon military helmets.

    Consequently, evidence exists pointing to America’s destruction as being an engineered , planned event. And now comes factory automation (robots) and Artificial Intelligence (A.I.)!

    Pray that I am wrong too, Joef? I see a dystopian world unfolding that resembles the Rich Man and Lazurus” gospel story. “Scraps” will fall off the oligarch table for essential consumption, but where will commoners get the money needed to cover costs for rent, electrical/H20/fuel bills, diapers, etcetera?

    During my worst hours, & as I tap my fingers upon this desk top keyboard, I sense there are Mighty planners at work, who are getting paid to dream up a plan for somehow getting moolah (?) into the hands of the masses who have shrunken means to work & earn anything.

    Again, I hope that I am light years off the Deep End here, Joef. Thank you very much for such an important post!

    P.S.: Given my place of birth is Scranton, PA, I feel a bit left behind that the”Electric City” failed to make your “canary in coal mine list.” Each week w/o fail, Scranton’s only newspaper The Times-Tribune” runs a first page report called “City in Crisis.” I

    • Replies: @joef
  468. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Fraternal help, so to speak. The pet names you increasingly use?

    At least you get a pet name. All I get is stuttering. Not only that, I always had second billing to Sam until you came back from hiatus, then I was kicked to the curb faster than a fantasy cheerleader. I don’t even get an honorable mention anymore. I could have at least been given third place. Wait, can Woodchucks count above two?

    • LOL: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  469. @Incitatus

    “How do you feel about the (Hitler-Stalin) Molotov Ribbentrop Pact?”

    InZitatus,

    I do not “feel” anything about it. Objectively I studied the fascinating “pact” and most recently I have read Victor Suvorov’s unorthodox and learned book, ” The Chief Culprit.”

    At present, I will leave behind the fascinating matter of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggresion Pact due to the expenditure of time that I actually have to allot for entertaining you by my chasing that particular history down.

    Maybe L.K. will be interested… and call me a pet name, maybe “chicken,” whatever, so be it — I’m soon off to P. Giraldi’s new AIPAC article.

    Doubtless though, I am very (!) concerned with the ominous New World Order “pact” that I see coming soon to our distressed planet.

    Frankly, inZi, I will FEEL absolutely zero surprise whatsoever were an aggressive “Non-aggression” & cooperative global economic pact is announced, including “superpowers,” Presidents Trump, Putin, P.M. B. Netanyahu, and P.R C., Xi Xinping.

    Odd how my use of “pet names” resembles the habit indulged by President G.W. Bush? Recall how “The Decider” nick named Vladimir Putin, “Pooty-Poot?” Where fraternal help is really needed, InZ, is for you and Sam The Sham to grow up, get real, and stay on TOPIC.

    (Sigh) Admittedly, there are people here who offer “posts” which may not reach the level of your superior writing ability. (I count myself among the latter group) But InZi — never forget that some commenters “believe” & “think” in ways greater than that which Zionist Jews & Neoconservatives tell them.

    So don’t hold breath while waiting for my thoughts on Poland, September 1939! My first impression was formed after reading Jan Karski’s 1945 Book of The Month, “The Story of The Secret State.” F.Y.I., as a member of the courageous Polish resistance, the late Mr. Karski battled the Nazi occupation of Poland. Now it’s my turn to battle the Zionist occupation of the U.S.A., InZi. Fierstehen sie?

    ‘Til we spar again on-scene at P. Giraldi’s AIPAC exposure! Selah.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  470. @iffen

    ‘iffen-iffen,

    There’s reasons why you’re merely ‘iffen-iffen to me.

    I have standards & a reputation to protect!

    Raise your Hasbara-level a few notches, go further off particular article topics, and maybe you will get a better nick name from me?

    Selah.

    • Replies: @iffen
  471. iffen says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Raise your Hasbara-level a few notches

    Speaking of which, that is my other complaint against you, Chuck. You are taking money out of my pocket! You do know that the Hasbara paymasters count every shekel twice, and since you demoted me in favor of Incitatus, he gets my bonus.

  472. L.K says:
    @Avery

    Glantz debunked nothing, you fool.
    You just have no idea what the hell you are talking about… I doubt you even ever read Glantz.
    Anon, btw, did not refer only to youtube videos, he referred to a very good book , ‘The Chief Culprit”.
    Russian historian M. Nikitin, – one of many who have reached conclusions similar to those of Suvorov – who researched the goals of the Soviet leadership in Soviet archives, particularly during the May-June 1941 period, summarized his findings as such:

    “We once again repeat that the fundamental goal of the USSR consisted of expanding the ‘front of Socialism’ to the greatest possible territorial extent, ideally to include all of Europe. In Moscow’s opinion, circumstances favored the realization of this scheme. The occupation of large parts of the continent by Germany, the futile war, the increasing dissatisfaction of the population of the occupied territories, the dispersion of Wehrmacht forces on various fronts, the prospects of a conflict between Japan & the USA – all these factors were thought to give the Soviet leadership a unique chance to smash Germany by surprise attack, and to ‘liberate Europe’ from “rotting Capitalism”. [p.88]
    Nikitin added that the data from the archives plus the huge military offensive preparations of the Red Army “unequivocally proves the intention of the Soviet leadership to attack Germany in the summer of 1941.”

    Anyway, it is not like you care about facts or about the truth… you are a sad little liar who has, for example, repeated dozens of times the idiocy that people from Turkey are Uyghur nomads from China.

  473. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Tell ya the truth, the moment I saw your question to geokat pertaining to 9-11, I feared the good lad would repeat his copying and pasting of Mackey’s BS.
    Mackey is merely a snake oil salesman with credentials, what a shock that ZUSA’s government could get people like him to push obfuscation in favor of the official gov.story!
    Mackey himself has already been refuted by several 9-11 researchers, geokat just ignores all that. If geokat truly read those 300 plus pages, which I doubt he did, he clearly is a masochist! :-)
    Geokat may have been misled, but in the end, it is his fault. He is like that guy who thinks he is eating strawberries on cream … but in reality is having wet excrement instead.
    Hoffman’s introduction to his criticism of Mackey’s methods is revealing:

    This review will never be a complete reply to Mackey’s essay. An attempt to create such a reply would be misguided since it would lend legitimacy to Mackey’s method: generating masses of criticism of the targeted information using arguments with superficial plausibility — the emphasis being on quantity — while employing a vast array of propagandistic techniques, factual distortions, and logical fallacies. The rationale behind that method seems clear enough: create a smokescreen of baseless arguments and distractions, clothed in claims of intellectual superiority and scientific legitimacy, such that the audience might be reassured that there is no need to look at the evidence of controlled demolition.

    Plus, as Art said ‘There are a hundred angles to the 9/11 story that do not add up.’
    It’s not merely the towers.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  474. Sam Shama says:
    @joef

    At best we are becoming the next version of stagnated Japan (unlikely because they actually are a nation of savers, while we are nation of consumers), or at worst Zimbabwe; or something in between (Greece, Argentina, Venezuela), and it will be long term (like the end of Rome). You are already seeing the canary in the coalmine with Detroit, Stockton Cal, East St Louis, and Camden NJ. Additionally the unserviceable debt level is actually a worldwide phenomenon, so there will be no other nation to financially rescue us from our own fiscal irresponsibility

    You wrote much nonsense on U.S. Economics. The preceding paragraph reeks of indigestion on account of consuming a surfeit of pain quotidien from Zero Hedge or an equally disreputable rag.

    If you think cities in fiscal distress is a new phenomenon you’ve got another think coming. It is the very nature of our economic system. Pittsburgh, remember it? Written off as a basket case in the 1980′s, it has come roaring back with a high-tech sector and banking. Plenty of other examples too.

    I’ll keep this post abbreviated in the interest of pinning you down on one specific matter. You speak of unserviceable debt. Really? In what way? The depth of ignorance is too profound in that statement. Have you noticed what our primary and total budget deficits have done since the 2008 crisis? Do you know what percentage of a year’s worth of income we spend on debt service?

    Here’s a clue:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYOIGDA188S

    It’s no use looking at anything else before you clear this fundamental matter. Having a political position is one thing, but it is quite another indulging in fantasies to support those biases.

    • Replies: @joef
  475. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @joef

    Keith says:

    ” Pray that I am wrong ”

    Brilliant ! But very scary.

    I love my granddaughter dearly and want her to grow up in the America I knew.

    Wishful thinking on my part. I was born and raised in the Bronx, NY. As a teen my family moved to Queens NY and when I moved out on my own, I moved to Brooklyn NY. As I became more successful in life, I migrated to a affluent community on Long Island. Why the long history?

    I experienced the decline of America first hand. I often think of my childhood neighborhood in the Bronx with fond memories. I went back recently to reminisce and didn’t recognize my old community. I left with tears in my eyes.

    One would think a person with my background would be a ardent Trump supporter. Initially I was fooled by his call to “Make America Great Again” and the charade by the NeoCons making believe they hate Trump. I fell for his phony populism until I watched Trump’s speech before AIPAC. At the AIPAC he promised to deliver everything the NeoCons have been pushing for, for years.

    This street smart kid from the Bronx is no dumb goy. Trump and his Zionists buddies from the Jewyork nation, co opted the Alternate Right and is directing the Trump movement in support of Zionists interests, not American interests.

    This is why Sam the Sham is laughing at Trumpism. He knows the deceit. He is sitting at home
    on his horse ranch knowing America is already great. Great for him and the elites.

    The National Socialists knew from the beginning they couldn’t make Germany Great Again, and
    improve the lives of the majority of Germans, unless they took down their Frankfurt Wall Street elites and corrupt politicians.

    All along multiculturalism was part of their plan for America. The plan was to create a melting pot country that could never unite to challenge the elites. The plan was very successful. When the pot boils over, the elites will have us killing each other. The divide and conquer strategy is currently
    on display.

    I pray I am wrong. In the mean time I have to be content with the communication revolution.
    I have dedicated my life to educating as many people as I can on the dangers of Zionists worldwide power. Tis is the season to expose AIPAC and the NeoCons.

  476. joef says:
    @Sam Shama

    if you think cities in fiscal distress is a new phenomenon you’ve got another think coming. It is the very nature of our economic system. Pittsburgh, remember it? Written off as a basket case in the 1980′s, it has come roaring back with a high-tech sector and banking. Plenty of other examples too.

    Actually I always review the data from the Bur Economic stats, St Louis Fed, CBO, CIA factbook, World Bank, and IMF… but if you do not divorce yourself from your emotions by stoically examining the data, you will be susceptible to self deception…

    I am over a half century old, and was raised in the largest urban area in the nation, so I am completely aware of cities in distress/renewal… I mostly written this from my own recollection, however I strive to be accurate…

    In the 1980s when the Reagan presidency started, even after stagflation, the debt to GDP ratio was about 20%, now its starting to surpass 100% (and this does not include private/personal debt levels, unfunded obligations, and state/local govt debt)…

    I know Krugman says debt does not matter, but if that was really the case, why not just recommend that everyone just barrow maximum amounts from their pensions, without paying it back, and see whats left in the end… That is what we are doing on a national level (as well as internationally)…

    Looking at one piece of data from the St Louis Fed does not provide the whole story… instead you must look at the preponderance of the evidence in its totality to obtain a complete and accurate picture…

    I know its too awful to contemplate, but living in denial is worse… The facts are there, and if I am wrong the future will tell…but being personally upset at me, and resorting to ad hominem attacks will not change reality. I am a nobody so debating me is actually fruitless, because it changes nothing…Just examine the facts (and so far they are telling me the future looks spartan).

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Sam Shama
  477. annamaria says:
    @iffen

    Re the “very old song.”
    Why doesn’t AIPAC register under FARA?
    Why the freedom of expression has been subverted for the benefit of Zionists? http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/17/u-california-banning-anti-zionism-campus

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=70337

    Before going into victimhood mode, you perhaps need to reread the paper, beginning with the pictures of the Israel-firsters that are guilty of subverting the US interests to promote the Eretz Israel project. The ziocons are not scapegoats; the are aggressors and dangerous and unprincipled supremacists.
    “…prominent rabbis have, in fact, explicitly made claims regarding purported Jewish superiority.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/

    • Replies: @iffen