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The mass migration of apparently hundreds of nominally GOP neocon apparatchiks to the Hillary Clinton camp has moved Democratic Party foreign policy farther to the right, not that the presidential nominee herself needed much persuading. The Democratic convention platform is a template of the hardline foreign policy positions espoused by Clinton and the convention itself concluded with a prolonged bout of Russian bashing that could have been orchestrated by Hillary protégé Victoria Nuland.

The inside the beltway crowd has realized that when in doubt it is always a safe bet to blame Vladimir Putin based on the assumption that Russia is and always will be an enemy of the United States. Wikileaks recently published some thousands of emails that painted the Democratic National Committee, then headed by Hillary loyalist Debbie Wasserman Schultz, in a very bad light. Needing a scapegoat, Russia was blamed for the original hack that obtained the information, even though there is no hard evidence that Moscow had anything to do with it.

Those in the media and around Hillary who were baying the loudest about how outraged they were over the hack curiously appear to have no knowledge of the existence of the National Security Agency, located at Fort Meade Maryland, which routinely breaks into the government computers of friends and foes alike worldwide. Apparently what is fair game for American codebreakers is no longer seen so positively when there is any suggestion that the tables might have been turned.

Republican nominee Donald Trump noted that if the Russians were in truth behind the hack he would like them to search for the 30,000 emails that Hillary Clinton reportedly deleted from her home server. The comment, which to my mind was sarcastically making a point about Clinton’s mendacity, brought down the wrath of the media, with the New York Times reporting that “foreign policy experts,” also sometimes known as “carefully selected ‘Trump haters,’” were shocked by The Donald. The paper quoted one William Inboden, allegedly a University of Texas professor who served on President George W. Bush’s National Security Council. Inboden complained that the comments were “an assault on the Constitution” and “tantamount to treason.” Now I have never heard of Inboden, which might be sheer ignorance on my part, but he really should refresh himself on what the Constitution actually says about treason, tantamount or otherwise. According to Article III of the Constitution of the United States one can only commit treason if there is a declared war going on and one is actively aiding an enemy, which as far as I know is not currently the case as applied to the U.S. relationship with Russia.

Another interesting aspect of the Russian scandal is the widespread assertion that Moscow is attempting to interfere in U.S. politics and is both clandestinely and openly supporting Donald Trump. This is presumably a bad thing, if true, because Putin would, according to the pundits, be able to steamroll “Manchurian Candidate” President Trump and subvert U.S. foreign policy in Russia’s favor. Alternatively, as the narrative continues, the stalwart Hillary would presumably defend American values and the right to intervene militarily anywhere in the world at any time against all comers including Putin and those rascals in China and North Korea. Professor Inboden might no doubt be able to provide a reference to the part of the Constitution that grants Washington that right as he and his former boss George W. Bush were also partial to that interpretation.

And the alleged Russian involvement leads inevitably to some thoughts about interference by other governments in our electoral system. Israel and its Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did so in a rather heavy handed fashion in 2012 on behalf of candidate Mitt Romney but I don’t recall even a squeak coming out of Hillary and her friends when that took place. That just might be due to the fact that Netanyahu owns Bill and Hillary, which leads inevitably to consideration of the other big winner now that the two conventions are concluded. The team that one sees doing the victory lap is the state of Israel, which dodged a bigtime bullet when it managed to exploit its bought and paid for friends to eliminate any criticism of its military occupation and settlements policies. Indeed, Israel emerged from the two party platforms as America’s best friend and number one ally, a position it has occupied since its Lobby took control of the Congress, White House and the mainstream media around thirty years ago.

Donald Trump, who has perversely promised to be an honest broker in negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, has also described himself as the best friend in the White House that Tel Aviv is ever likely to have. In addition to Trump speaking for himself, Israel was mentioned fourteen times in GOP convention speeches, always being described as the greatest ally and friend to the U.S., never as the pain in the ass and drain on the treasury that it actually represents.

No other foreign country was mentioned as often as Israel apart from Iran, which was regularly cited as an enemy of both the U.S. and – you guessed it – Israel. Indeed, the constant thumping of Iran is a reflection of the overweening affection for Netanyahu and his right wing government. Regarding Iran, the GOP foreign policy platform states “We consider the Administration’s deal with Iran, to lift international sanctions and make hundreds of billions of dollars available to the Mullahs, a personal agreement between the President and his negotiat­ing partners and non-binding on the next president. Without a two-thirds endorsement by the Senate, it does not have treaty status. Because of it, the de­fiant and emboldened regime in Tehran continues to sponsor terrorism across the region, develop a nuclear weapon, test-fire ballistic missiles inscribed with ‘Death to Israel,’ and abuse the basic human rights of its citizens.”

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The final written Republican platform for 2016 as relating to the Middle East, drawn up with the input of two Trump advisors Jason Greenblatt and David Friedman, rather supports the suggestion that Trump would be pro-Israel rather than the claim of impartiality. The plank entitled “Our Unequivocal Support of Israel and Jerusalem,” promises to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, praises Israel in five different sections, eulogizing it as a “beacon of democracy and humanity” brimming over with freedom of speech and religion while concluding that “support for Israel is an expression of Americanism.” It pledges “no daylight” between the two countries, denies that Israel is an “occupier,” and slams the peaceful Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions Movement (BDS), which it describes as anti-Semitic and seeking to destroy Israel. It calls for legal action to “thwart” BDS. There is no mention of a Palestinian state or of any Palestinian rights to anything at all.

The Democratic plank on the Middle East gives lip service to a two state solution for Israel-Palestine but is mostly notable for what it chose to address. Two Bernie Sanders supporters on the platform drafting committee James Zogby and Cornel West wanted to remove any illegal under international law affirmation that Jerusalem is the undivided capital of Israel and also sought to eliminated any condemnation of BDS. They failed on both issues and then tried to have included mild language criticizing Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and its settlement building. They were outvoted by Hillary supporters on all the issues they considered important. Indeed, there is no language at all critical in any way of Israel, instead asserting that “a strong and secure Israel is vital to the United States because we share overarching strategic interests and the common values of democracy, equality, tolerance, and pluralism.” That none of that was or is true apparently bothered no one in the Hillary camp.

The Democratic platform document explicitly condemns any support for BDS. Hillary Clinton, who has promised to take the relationship with Israel to a whole new level, has reportedly agreed to an anti-BDS pledge to appease her principal financial supporter Haim Saban, an Israeli-American film producer. Clinton also directly and personally intervened through her surrogate on the committee Wendy Sherman to make sure that the party platform would remain pro-Israel.

But many Democrats on the floor of the convention hall have, to their credit, promoted a somewhat different perspective, displaying signs and stickers while calling for support of Palestinian rights. One demonstrator outside the convention center burned an Israeli flag, producing a sharp response from Hillary’s spokeswoman for Jewish outreach Sarah Bard, “Hillary Clinton has always stood against efforts to marginalize Israel and incitement, and she strongly condemns this kind of hatred. Burning the Israeli flag is a reckless act that undermines peace and our values.” Bill meanwhile was seen in the hall wearing a Hillary button written in Hebrew. It was a full court press pander and one has to wonder how Hillary would have felt about someone burning a Russian flag or seeing Bill sport a button in Cyrillic.

Team Hillary also ignored chants from the convention floor demanding “No More War” and there are separate reports suggesting that one of her first priorities as president will be to initiate a “full review” of the “murderous” al-Assad regime in Syria with the intention of taking care of him once and for all. “No More War” coming from the Democratic base somehow became “More War Please” for the elites that run the party.

The Democratic platform also beats down on Iran, declaring only tepid support for the nuclear deal while focusing more on draconian enforcement, asserting that they would “not hesitate to take military action if Iran violates the agreement.” It also cited Iran as “the leading state sponsor of terrorism” and claimed that Tehran “has its fingerprints on almost every conflict in the Middle East.” For what it’s worth, neither assertion about Iran’s regional role is true and Tehran reportedly has complied completely with the multilateral nuclear agreement. It is the U.S. government that is failing to live up to its commitments by refusing to allow Iranian access to financial markets while the Congress has even blocked an Iranian bid to buy Made-in-the-U.S.A. civilian jetliners.

So those of us who had hoped for at least a partial abandonment of the hitherto dominant foreign policy consensus have to be disappointed as they in the pro-war crowd in their various guises as liberal interventionists or global supremacy warriors continue to control much of the discourse from left to right. Russia continues to be a popular target to vent Administration frustration over its inept posturing overseas, though there is some hope that Donald Trump might actually reverse that tendency. Iran serves as a useful punchline whenever a politician on the make runs out of other things to vilify. And then there is always Israel, ever the victim, perpetually the greatest ally and friend. And invariably needing some extra cash, a warplane or two or a little political protection in venues like the United Nations.

If you read through the two party platforms on foreign policy, admittedly a brutal and thankless task, you will rarely find any explanation of actual American interests at play in terms of the involvement of the U.S. in what are essentially other people’s quarrels. That is as it should be as our political class has almost nothing to do with reality but instead is consumed with delusions linked solely to acquisition of power and money. That realization on the part of the public has driven both the Trump and Sanders movements and, even if they predictably flame out, there is always the hope that the dissidents will grow stronger with rejection and something might actually happen in 2020.

 
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  1. When you stop to think about it, it is truly astonishing that the fate of this little make-believe country on the Mediterranean coast could come to occupy such a prominent place in the minds of America’s political elite.

    What is going on here? What is Israel, really? An international crime syndicate? A nuclear-armed flash mob? Yes it is these things, but to Western elites it is something more besides. It is the clearest vision yet glimpsed of their hearts’ desire. In its internationalism, its “freedom” from all constraints of place, from any rules not of its own making; in its boundless faith in the power of money, its contempt for labor, its insouciant declaration that all the world’s spoil rightly belongs to it; in its bellicosity, its hubris, its ruthless self-assurance rooted in a religious ideal that has long since banished God to the attic—in all these things, it is exactly what our elites aspire to be.

    The upper strata of European-American society is grafting itself heart and soul into the same Jewish-sprung cosmopolitanism that produced Bolshevism and crony capitalism. There is no need any longer to posit a secret cabal of Jewish schemers bent on world domination. Our elites, at heart, are already Jews.

    Perfidious Jews.

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    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    Thank you ID. You are truly Intelligent.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    While it is said that an urbane French diplomat described Israel as a "shitty little country" I wonder if you haver been to Israel, know any Israelis or read their news media and opinion media???? Or does such invective come from the imagination?
    , @TellTheTruth-2
    Wow .. well said with the exception of calling them Jews. They called themselves Jews when Jesus Christ walked the earth too; but, He called the the sons of Satan, the tares of the parable of the Tares of the Field as Jesus Christ explained to His disciples starting at Matthew 13:36 ... https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/13/36/s_942036 ... Today we know them by their fruits, death and destruction and evil deeds. Call them Ziocons (conflation of Zionist and Neocon. Many of these individuals are responsible pushing the US & Britain to invade Iraq. They do the bidding of AIPAC and hence Israel), not Jews because real Jews don't support Zionism.
    , @Gabriel M
    You are a fantasist loon. Israel occupies a very high profile in United States politics because it funds huge advocacy organisations in a way that often amounts to simple bribery and because of evangelicals. European elites are overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian precisely because they cherish the internationalism you are raving about. The European left is stridently anti-Israel. Israel is a reasonably successful, mildly conservative and increasingly religious nation state in a shitty neighborhood; it's about the worst candidate for icon of globalist atheism that you can imagine. Get a grip.
    , @Glenn
    How many of YOUR America's $4+BILLION in WELFARE given to Israel every year comes back to America in the form of BRIBES to "american" politicians? Traitors voting to give Israel MORE, so they can get bigger BRIBES. https://youtu.be/z6UNufFaino
    , @Reality Check
    Or..in the vernacular...Jews own us. Now what? Seriously...now what? Phil?
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  2. The hosannahs to Israel never cease. In fact, they keep expanding.

    Cross-Party tribute to the Zionist State is a startling indicator of Jewish power. And it rises still. Can it even be challenged? Even Trump must pay tribute to this unrelenting force. No exceptions shall be tolerated.

    Zionists have captured both political parties and all mainstream media. And they have no intention of ever leaving the corridors of power. It’s theirs. All dissidents shall be dealt with unsparingly.

    As for the rest of us, we are spectators observing the greatest democracy and war-making machine that the world has ever known. All hail Israel! Democracy is great!

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  3. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Unless US weans itself off Jewish globalist supremacism, it will be the same old song.

    Just follow the money, talent, and media.

    Boomer generation going senile in the worst way.

    What they made of America is downright disgusting.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Thanks, Priss ... I always enjoy your perspective.
    , @Anonymous
    Christians are afraid of Jews. This is astounding when one thinks of it.
    Our dear USA has been taken over due to Christian cowardice.
    , @Reality Check
    Decades ago, many decades ago now. America used to wear the white hats. Think about it... Following israel's lead, we've become what we say we hate; assassins, saboteurs..and cyber-terrorists.

    Israel's and Judaism's mania has corrupted our values, our foreign policy and our system of government.Again I ask Phil...What now?

  4. As I have said before Trump is no panacea but a panacea could never get elected by an electorate dominated by idiots.

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  5. You suggest that Trump was being sarcastic in his expressing hope the Russians would turn up Clinton’s deleted emails but clearly he would be delighted to see her embarrassed by them and would not be saying that it was dreadful that someone in Russia had hacked her emails and truly execrable taste for any American to publish or even read that provate correspondence. And why should he? As you point out America and its allies regularly spy on foreign leaders including friendly ones so why shouldn’t Americans know what the Russians know about Clinton?

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  6. The longer version got wiped by UR software or something. But, in short, what dirt does Netanyahu have on the Clintons so as to “own” them? Evidence? And could they not resent it so much that they will kick him in the teeth when Hillary is elected.

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  7. Aside from the important question of the US fulfilling its part of the deal with Iran what’s wrong with threatening the use of (massive) force if Iran tests or claims to have a functioning nuclear weapon? BTW PG I don’t think you have commented on the point that the US alone couldn’t have maintained the status quo against Iran, especially sanctions. Your view?

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    • Replies: @Rehmat
    Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatullah Khamenei said on Monday repeated his earlier comments that the US was never sincere in signing the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement. The Zionist lawmakers are now threatening international banking institutions not to honor billions of dollars trade agreements between Iran and France, Italy, and other European countries.

    In June, Khamenei while addressing a ceremony to mark the 27th anniversary of the sad demise of the leader of the Islamic Revolution Imam Khomeini at his Mausoleum southern Tehran, said that trusting Washington is a big mistake as most hostilities against Iran comes from the “US and the evil Britain”.

    Khamenei said that Washington was never sincere about implementing the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement (JCPOA). Therefore, Tehran has no intention of cooperating with the US and UK on regional issues.

    “This is an experience that even if we give up, the US will never stop its destructive role,” Ayatollah Khamenei said, noting that despite the fact that Iran has fulfilled its commitments based on the nuclear deal, the US broke its promises .....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/06/05/khamenei-tehran-dont-trust-the-us-and-evil-uk/
    , @Reality Check
    A more important question would be what is the (il)logic underpinning any contemplated "use of massive force" on Iran. I'd love to hear that series of zionist 'talking points'.

    Btw..the newly released documentary 'Zero Days' relates several important factors in why the US acceeded to israeli demands to "take action" on Iran's nuclear facilities via Stuxnet. The main reason being that the CIA and US military knew that if israel bombed Iran, that israel expected the US military to be obligated to finish the job that war mongering israel would have instigated. Expecting a wider war outcome and the loss of many American lives solely for israel's benefit, the cyber-war option was thought to be the lesser of the two evils.

    It also explains that because of israel's manic determination to do even more damage to Iran, israel manipulated the Stuxnet code in the second or third versions to make it more destructive without informing the US, which because of the spread of the Stuxnet virus to other countries, led to its discovery.

    As I always say..give a zionist a gun, and he'll either massacre something, or shoot himself in the foot. Usually both...
  8. Even as the US rapidly morphs into a country that more and more resembles Venezuela one thing never changes, the domination of American politics by israel’s friends and supporters. Although there is nothing individual citizens can do to break the israel firsters crowd’s domination of US foreign policy we can and should support the goals of the BDS movement and refuse to purchase products made in israel and goods and services provided by US and foreign companies supportive of Zionist apartheid.

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  9. Trump thought sucking up to the Israelis and LGBLT would get the media to relent somewhat, no chance, only going to step up their attacks.

    What is interesting is that US Presidents are becoming increasingly subservient to Israel, LBJ servility is now the norm and has been since Clinton, despite Obama being portrayed as not subservient enough.

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  10. Is there anyone surprised by this ?

    Perpetual war,…. Eternal terror…..,Heinous debt,…. the final cleaving of the Golan(fully cauterized) unto Israel …….and the complete dissolution of Palestine…….are the gifts we bring to thee …

    Yes, Mr Giraldi, you may ask where did our nations ” 21 trillion” go ?

    Why it went right into the hands of our one-percent “war on terror” profiteers, and as our nations ” uber-citizens united” imbued with trillions in new found wealth…they knew exactly what to do…..

    Double down …..and go all in….

    Circling the wagons around the entire political process of both parties, so tightly, that justice, peace, and accountability (for the sake of the common man) may not , nor ever, pass.

    Do the remaining 320 million Americans even matter anymore ?

    As (I suppose) they say on the floor of the DNC………….They all got “berned” !

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  11. Philip Giraldi,

    Nice writing.

    The people’s Brooklyn Dodgers are playing the imperialist Yankees. The score is 10 – 0 Yankees; it is 2 outs, 2 strikes, the bottom of the 9th, Sandy Koufax is batting and Whitey Ford is pitching.

    We must restore the Republic, perhaps with a little help from the Decembrists, (our Nation’s own Decembrists).

    Durruti

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    • Replies: @dahoit
    Oh,yeah,the stinking Dodgers,who left millions of fans in the lurch for the big dough.
    They belong in the land of fruits and nuts.
  12. Good column as usual. The yids rule.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Given the proprietor's strict injunction against sock-puppetry am I right to infer from your moniker that you only go online with signed, albeit pseudonymous, comment when there is something you want to say in criticism of Jews?
  13. I live in Australia. To gain a reference point, I have turned on the TV and visited a few printed media web sites. I never do this because MSM in Australia are just as pro-regime bad as in the US and the rest of the Anglo world. Here is a brief report.

    The most important piece of news is that the Reserve Bank of Australia has dropped the interest rates down to the lowest level in history. In other words, the Australian economy is in deep, deep, deep hole, although the MSM do not explain the drop. This official interest rate is the only reliable number because all other “measurements” are simply lies: growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc. The escaping Chinese money has been pumping up the Sydney real-estate market to unprecedented heights (just like in Canada, Washington state and California) and this is the only growth that this country will see for a while.

    After the drop in interest rates, the second most important “news” is absolutely relentless bashing of candidate Trump. It is a mono-diet of US-regime produced pieces (ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS) and a few locally produced anti-Trump pieces. Even the ticker tape at the bottom of TV screen keeps repeating the anti-Trump “news”. The printed media are exactly the same. In the main national newspaper today, I counted three Trump-bashing pieces, but the comments to these articles are even worse than the articles: they smell strongly of being written by the professionals. My non-negative comments about Trump was not accepted, of course. My friends say that MSM Trump bashing is regular and unavoidable.

    Today’s MSM watching experiment left me wondering: what are all these MSM cockroaches and the regime behind them so afraid of to be so persistently and proactively anti-Trump? The only similar boiling temperature propaganda was the anti-Putin propaganda during the US coup in Ukraine. It is clear that there is no theoretical possibility of a truthful Presidential election in the US. If they cannot brainwash enough, then they will start stealing. I believe that the US regime will push Hillary through to POTUS, but Trump will be the cockroach expozer – there will be far fewer naive people after this “election”.

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    • Replies: @ISmellBagels
    Kiza, all that you describe in Australia is a reflection of what is happening in the US: low interest rates, MSM lies, Trump bashing, and Hillary love. Oh, and the censoring of comments that don't fit the yid plan.
    , @LondonBob
    My source, an ex spook who is unhealthily close to the Israelis, said a few days ago that the attacks on Trump would increase, with the focus being attacks by Republicans on him. Seems right so far.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I don't know why that might interest UR readers but in case it does I suggest that those interested check what is reported for themselves.

    I have been on the subcontinent for some weeks but not confining myself in disdain to a brief sampling of Australia's MSM.

    On a couple of selected matters I differ from Kiza.

    There was a broadside against it the day before the Reserve Bank cut the interest rate by Alan Kohler, a former broadsheet editor and perhaps Australia's leading economic commentator. Immediately afterwards there was no lack of explanation in terms of getting inflation off the floor and countering the likely upwards effect of poor US GDP figures on the Australian dollar's exchange rate with the US dollar. It has nothing to do with the economy being in a deep hole which is a considerable exaggeration despite the great Chinese commodity boom being unlikely to revive (or be replaced soon by India). Despite the 2007-2013 Labor governments having squandered the surplus they inherited on debt financed trivia Australia still has relatively great firepower in reserve, though a 1.75 per cent official bank rate is almost heading into the QE territory which Australia has avoided. The Turnbull government and some of the states seem to be about to spend up on infrastructure in the low interest rate, slowing growth, economy. Long oveedue of course but still ahead of the rabid Republican obstructionists in the US.

    As to all those "lies" there is something wrong with the head of someone who uses that word in reference to "growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc."

    There are sometimes corrections in later months, there are imperfect methods of estimation or sampling and there are inherently problems in achieving precise accuracy (even if it mattered) in what Kiza seems to think are statistics claimed (by some unnamed bureaucrat??) as measurements as if with a tape measure. But the notion inplied by the word "lies" of a mens rea which is a motive for systematic deception is plain barmy. I don't think recent Australian governments have even been up to the short term trick of changing definitions of unemployment. And you can't get much mileage out of pushing the Bureau of Statistics to change its baskets of goods to fiddle inflation figures when there is virtually no inflation and the changes could easily rebound on you next quarter.

    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed. Ron Unz makes the most cogent objections to MSM but does so after reading the leading newspapers closely for hours. Kiza it seems, if he is not evolving his views and impressions of reality from the workings of his own brain, must be stewing unhealthily and almost exclusively on the www. Not a good way or place to be.

    (In fairness I recall being told by a famous judge who was born in the 1880s that, while at the Bar and still living at home with his retired lawyer father he went a year without reading newspapers - the Law Lists excepted perhaps - and that he was just as well informed about the important affairs of the day as any of his peers. No doubt he cross-examined his father and everyone else about the news).

    , @NoseytheDuke
    Australians thrice elected the Lying Rodent Howard who took the nation to war against nations and peoples who had done it no harm nor were ever likely to therefore it is only right and just that the people of Australia suffer loss of wealth and liberty. This is happening. Sun Tsu warned that war can be the death of a nation. The same holds true for the British and American people.

    Were these righteous nations Bush, Blair and Howard would be arrested and hanged in the manner Saddam Hussain was, yet they roam free as privileged pillars of society.

    Australians recently re-elected the same political party who lied their way into power at the previous election too. Stupid is as stupid does. Australians deserve good sports and recreation since that's what they care most about, they certainly don't deserve good government.

    I wish it were not so but how could it be any other way?
    , @RobinG
    I'd love to see a copy-cat of this here in DC. Note the $$$bucks in her thong.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/asia/australia-clinton-mural-artist-burqa/
    Melbourne graffiti artist sprays burqa over provocative Hillary Clinton mural
  14. @Kiza
    I live in Australia. To gain a reference point, I have turned on the TV and visited a few printed media web sites. I never do this because MSM in Australia are just as pro-regime bad as in the US and the rest of the Anglo world. Here is a brief report.

    The most important piece of news is that the Reserve Bank of Australia has dropped the interest rates down to the lowest level in history. In other words, the Australian economy is in deep, deep, deep hole, although the MSM do not explain the drop. This official interest rate is the only reliable number because all other "measurements" are simply lies: growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc. The escaping Chinese money has been pumping up the Sydney real-estate market to unprecedented heights (just like in Canada, Washington state and California) and this is the only growth that this country will see for a while.

    After the drop in interest rates, the second most important "news" is absolutely relentless bashing of candidate Trump. It is a mono-diet of US-regime produced pieces (ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS) and a few locally produced anti-Trump pieces. Even the ticker tape at the bottom of TV screen keeps repeating the anti-Trump "news". The printed media are exactly the same. In the main national newspaper today, I counted three Trump-bashing pieces, but the comments to these articles are even worse than the articles: they smell strongly of being written by the professionals. My non-negative comments about Trump was not accepted, of course. My friends say that MSM Trump bashing is regular and unavoidable.

    Today's MSM watching experiment left me wondering: what are all these MSM cockroaches and the regime behind them so afraid of to be so persistently and proactively anti-Trump? The only similar boiling temperature propaganda was the anti-Putin propaganda during the US coup in Ukraine. It is clear that there is no theoretical possibility of a truthful Presidential election in the US. If they cannot brainwash enough, then they will start stealing. I believe that the US regime will push Hillary through to POTUS, but Trump will be the cockroach expozer - there will be far fewer naive people after this "election".

    Kiza, all that you describe in Australia is a reflection of what is happening in the US: low interest rates, MSM lies, Trump bashing, and Hillary love. Oh, and the censoring of comments that don’t fit the yid plan.

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  15. I just checked the TV schedule for this evening in prime time. The first hour of my local PBS channel is about the Munich Olympics (poor poor innocent Israelis and the terrible terrorists), followed by a program on the 1936 Olympic games in Germany. Turns out that “new research” has revealed that the current, scandal-ridden Olympics is a result of–BINGO–the 1936 Olympics and Nazis!!! Here’s the description:

    New, Profile, Sports, History, Olympic Sports
    Archival footage and new research reveal how the Olympics of today – characterized by architectural grandiosity, budget overruns, corruption and collusion with authoritarian regimes – were shaped by collaboration between the IOC and Nazi Germany.

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  16. What Will the Mashiach Do? http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
    Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)
    The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

    Genesis 15:18 https://www.darkmoon.me/uploads/652x489xThe-Promised-Land.jpg.pagespeed.ic.AVS1foYg7b.jpg

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Where does that darkmoon stuff come from? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
  17. How is Trumps statement of being neutral and being Israels best friend perverse?Wouldn’t someone who made peace for them over the objection of their overweening pride of place be a hero?
    The issue has to be addressed,and if anyone thinks that evil woman has any intention of making her handlers do what they won’t wish to do,they are on zoloft,or some other psycho big pharma crap.

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  18. @Durruti
    Philip Giraldi,

    Nice writing.

    The people's Brooklyn Dodgers are playing the imperialist Yankees. The score is 10 - 0 Yankees; it is 2 outs, 2 strikes, the bottom of the 9th, Sandy Koufax is batting and Whitey Ford is pitching.

    We must restore the Republic, perhaps with a little help from the Decembrists, (our Nation's own Decembrists).

    Durruti

    Oh,yeah,the stinking Dodgers,who left millions of fans in the lurch for the big dough.
    They belong in the land of fruits and nuts.

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    • Replies: @Durruti
    Dahoit,

    Friend,

    Please read my comment. I mean READ my comment. For dogs sake!

    I did write, "The people’s Brooklyn Dodgers." You did see that???

    Yes, you are correct, that they (the capitalist) professional sports system betrayed 2 million Brooklyn citizens by abandonment - for the true home of Hollywood Obomber (its not Kenya).

    Lighten up! I have it on good authority, that Ron Unz permits laughter on his website.

    The Betrayal by the Dodger's management is symbolic of the betrayal of America by our bought (by the Rothschilds & other Zionist Oligarchs) political leaders.

    The Betrayal by my favorite team of my favorite sport (except for Women's Beach Vollyball), broke my heart - as current betrayals break humans' bodies and spirit.

    You fail to comment on the:

    "We must restore the Republic, perhaps with a little help from the Decembrists, (our Nation’s own Decembrists)."

    Now that's the heavy part that begs attention.

    Durruti
  19. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Phil

    I completely agree with you. Trump is absolutely awfull on Iran. Trump is an enthusiast for war. If Trump bombs Iran….it would mean nuclear war with Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia.

    Without doubt…Trump is AIPAC KOSHER. During the POTUS debates, Trump will demand that Russia stop giving Iran the s-300…s-400 missile systems, for without a doubt, Hillary Clinton will be baiting Trump about the s-300s…s-400s being retrofitted nuke capable.

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    • Replies: @Rehmat
    When it comes to Iran, Syria and Hizbullah - both Hillary and Trump would act like Israeli 'lapdogs'. Russia is more closer to Israel than Iran. If the USrael ever dared to attack Iran - Putin will most probably sit on the sideline as he did more than 3-1/2 year in Syrian destruction by Israeli poodles.

    Russia dragged its feet for over eight years on delivery of S-300 surface-to-air-defense system to Iran as result of Netanyahu and Lieberman (a friend of Putin) objections. The deal was signed in 2007 with Tehran paying more than 70% of its cost in front.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/08/24/russia-drags-its-feet-over-s-300-delivery-to-iran/
  20. How Paul Manafort Wielded Power in Ukraine Before Advising Donald Trump
    New York Times‎ –

    NYT has never written of Dennis Ross, Indyk, and of whole PNAC gang who worked for Israeli PM and later came to occupy Bush cabinet . Or am I missing something ?

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  21. Trump backs the Jews.

    Back in 2015, Trump said of Israel attacks Iran first “we will protect them 100 percent”.

    The Jews will force us to fight Iran for them with their shady, underhanded tactics.

    The next 8 years doesn’t look good for us, no matter who wins, the Jews win and we lose.

    Trump is for the Jews and Israel first, not us lowly prole goyim.

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  22. @dahoit
    Oh,yeah,the stinking Dodgers,who left millions of fans in the lurch for the big dough.
    They belong in the land of fruits and nuts.

    Dahoit,

    Friend,

    Please read my comment. I mean READ my comment. For dogs sake!

    I did write, “The people’s Brooklyn Dodgers.” You did see that???

    Yes, you are correct, that they (the capitalist) professional sports system betrayed 2 million Brooklyn citizens by abandonment – for the true home of Hollywood Obomber (its not Kenya).

    Lighten up! I have it on good authority, that Ron Unz permits laughter on his website.

    The Betrayal by the Dodger’s management is symbolic of the betrayal of America by our bought (by the Rothschilds & other Zionist Oligarchs) political leaders.

    The Betrayal by my favorite team of my favorite sport (except for Women’s Beach Vollyball), broke my heart – as current betrayals break humans’ bodies and spirit.

    You fail to comment on the:

    We must restore the Republic, perhaps with a little help from the Decembrists, (our Nation’s own Decembrists).”

    Now that’s the heavy part that begs attention.

    Durruti

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  23. @Kiza
    I live in Australia. To gain a reference point, I have turned on the TV and visited a few printed media web sites. I never do this because MSM in Australia are just as pro-regime bad as in the US and the rest of the Anglo world. Here is a brief report.

    The most important piece of news is that the Reserve Bank of Australia has dropped the interest rates down to the lowest level in history. In other words, the Australian economy is in deep, deep, deep hole, although the MSM do not explain the drop. This official interest rate is the only reliable number because all other "measurements" are simply lies: growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc. The escaping Chinese money has been pumping up the Sydney real-estate market to unprecedented heights (just like in Canada, Washington state and California) and this is the only growth that this country will see for a while.

    After the drop in interest rates, the second most important "news" is absolutely relentless bashing of candidate Trump. It is a mono-diet of US-regime produced pieces (ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS) and a few locally produced anti-Trump pieces. Even the ticker tape at the bottom of TV screen keeps repeating the anti-Trump "news". The printed media are exactly the same. In the main national newspaper today, I counted three Trump-bashing pieces, but the comments to these articles are even worse than the articles: they smell strongly of being written by the professionals. My non-negative comments about Trump was not accepted, of course. My friends say that MSM Trump bashing is regular and unavoidable.

    Today's MSM watching experiment left me wondering: what are all these MSM cockroaches and the regime behind them so afraid of to be so persistently and proactively anti-Trump? The only similar boiling temperature propaganda was the anti-Putin propaganda during the US coup in Ukraine. It is clear that there is no theoretical possibility of a truthful Presidential election in the US. If they cannot brainwash enough, then they will start stealing. I believe that the US regime will push Hillary through to POTUS, but Trump will be the cockroach expozer - there will be far fewer naive people after this "election".

    My source, an ex spook who is unhealthily close to the Israelis, said a few days ago that the attacks on Trump would increase, with the focus being attacks by Republicans on him. Seems right so far.

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  24. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Priss Factor
    Unless US weans itself off Jewish globalist supremacism, it will be the same old song.

    Just follow the money, talent, and media.

    Boomer generation going senile in the worst way.

    What they made of America is downright disgusting.

    Thanks, Priss … I always enjoy your perspective.

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  25. “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

    as soon as he signed over that power to control our money over to these Jewish banksters, we’ve had nothing but world wars until Israel founded on the smoking ashes of Europe and Russia- with untold tens of millions slaughtered and the Palestinian people butchered in their villages.

    if it were a handful of Arabs that owned and controlled the Federal Reserve Bank, then there’d be no sunlight between the US government and the Muslim, Arab world

    if it were a handful of Mexicans that owned and controlled the Federal Reserve Bank, then we’d all watch our government bray its eternal fealty to Mexico

    as long as these international Jewish banksters can hit some keys on their computer keyboard, and create a few trillion dollars out of thin air to pass around, our politicians will eat the shit right out of their ***

    money = power

    and the Fed = unlimited money

    therefor ownership of the Fed = absolute power

    if the planet is ever to be free, then it will only come from an agent who doesn’t need their money in order to wield power. A nationalist like Putin, or a populist like Trump.

    We don’t know what Trump will do, be we all do know what the war sow hag will do; more war for Israel. Total war for Israel

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Rurik,

    It seems like its a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

    Obviously, passing a law requiring the Federal Government to balance the books each year would eliminate the need for our country to have a federal reserve.

    If our government cannot OVERSPEND what it takes in ( in taxes) then there would be no need to borrow money from anyone.

    For example: If the Federal government generates 3.8 trillion in revenues(taxes) and spends 3.8 trillion in running the country....the books are balanced...there is no debt created and no need to borrow money.

    This is the way the country should be run....period.

    But the point of the US having a lending facility such as the federal reserve,is to allow us for the possibility we might need to spend more in a given year than we take in.

    This kind of overspending is sometimes justified as in the event of a natural disaster or a foreign invasion.

    So having a federal reserve banking system is not all bad.


    But I think you have to understand that our federal reserve bank does not just "create money out of thin air",.....it borrows that money from our future.

    Whatever dollars we "print" to pay for our overspending ,today, gets rolled into the national debt.


    Step back for a minute and imagine a scenario where the entire eastern seaboard is battered by a mega tsunami , there are thousands of lives lost, millions of homes and buildings destroyed and the amount of damage runs in the 100's of billions of dollars.

    the federal government might need to step in and help out , right?

    But what if it can't because its already spent every penny its taken in in taxes to pay its expenses and it cannot run a deficit to borrow the money ?

    Is this a good thing ?

    For arguments sake, lets say it isn't.

    So that fiscal year our government takes in 3.8 trillion, but now has to spend an extra 200 billion in emergency assistance to help rebuild the eastern seaboard.

    Where do we find the money ? we borrow it, from our future tax rolls .....and the federal reserve facilitates that lending . We have just added 200 billion to our national debt.

    However, it still has to be paid for, Rurik, but rather than hit the citizens with an 8% tax increase the following year....we can disperse the brunt of the 200 billion expense over a ten or twenty year period and run an extra deficit in the process.

    The federal reserve is the tool we use to facilitate the process.

    This is not evil ,Rurik, its actually okay.

    But the Neocon way of doing business, defrauding the american taxpayer out of trillions in future revenues to lie us into wars of aggression today,is an absolute abomination.

    Its the most furious and sustained assault against our country and our way of life,we can imagine.

    They are a 21 trillion national debt train wreck.

    It should be stopped right away....but unfortunately, it looks like its just going to get a lot worse.
  26. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/headlines/175697/fbi-technician-pleads-guilty-to-acting-as-china-agent

    Uh shucks, just let him go.

    He was just being a global citizen. Nationalism is so passe. We are all part of one humanity.

    If we welcome illegals, we should allow spies. Loyalty to one nation is atavistic.

    What they did to Pollard long ago was wrong.

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  27. @Intelligent Dasein
    When you stop to think about it, it is truly astonishing that the fate of this little make-believe country on the Mediterranean coast could come to occupy such a prominent place in the minds of America's political elite.

    What is going on here? What is Israel, really? An international crime syndicate? A nuclear-armed flash mob? Yes it is these things, but to Western elites it is something more besides. It is the clearest vision yet glimpsed of their hearts' desire. In its internationalism, its "freedom" from all constraints of place, from any rules not of its own making; in its boundless faith in the power of money, its contempt for labor, its insouciant declaration that all the world's spoil rightly belongs to it; in its bellicosity, its hubris, its ruthless self-assurance rooted in a religious ideal that has long since banished God to the attic---in all these things, it is exactly what our elites aspire to be.

    The upper strata of European-American society is grafting itself heart and soul into the same Jewish-sprung cosmopolitanism that produced Bolshevism and crony capitalism. There is no need any longer to posit a secret cabal of Jewish schemers bent on world domination. Our elites, at heart, are already Jews.

    Perfidious Jews.

    Thank you ID. You are truly Intelligent.

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  28. Living in America today and knowing the Zionist Jewish parasite that is everywhere, yet seen by no one, is quite challenging. In our elections its either Jews or Zionist that get elected, and yet no one dare mention that fact.

    They control information, the media, entertainment and even web sites and comment sections, using paid commentators to post lies and bully honest questions.

    I am not anti Jewish, I am anti Zionist Jewish, and not because of who they are, but what they do.

    But even with all their lies and manipulation, the truth is still getting out. More and more people are seeing through the lies, and are understanding the crisis America is in.

    When the tide turns it will turn fast, so much animosity and frustration has built up over the centuries. We just need a catalyst, Trump may be it.

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    • Replies: @Santoculto

    I am not anti Jewish, I am anti Zionist Jewish, and not because of who they are, but what they do.
     
    hbdears like to say

    ''people are what they do''

    =)
  29. There is less and less of a difference between the two political parties for the working man. They both promote a neocon foreign policy, and they cooperate behind closed doors at the detriment of the rest of us. The Democrats caters to voter envy, and the republicans cater to voter greed. One side is ideologically leftist, and the other is corporatist. And even the opposition millennial response to them is equally dysfunctional: Socialism or Anarcho Capitalism, which both rely on unrealistic utopian outlooks.
    Lets face it: the one most important unifying goal, of the elites, is to just remain the elites; they are just disagreeing on the best method to implement that goal. And while they remain the elites, the rest of us will eventually live in a Soylent Green type world. If that is true (I’m not exactly sure on this) then what is the vested interest for the rest of us in maintaining such a society that would eventually end up this way? Thus the elites must pretend that they are looking out for our interest, with further political lies. Otherwise if we loose our interest in the maintenance of society, the elites will suffer too!
    At least the feudal lords provided land to farm and protection, but our current elites are just concerned in maintaining their positions, while they bribe/seduce us with bread & circuses. And unfortunately most of us are buying into it. They do not recognize how dysfunctional our political situation has become; and what will become of us when the resources for bread & circuses runs out?. Ever since the baby boom generation took over the reigns of management, from the WW2 generation, we have been on a steady decline.
    The narcissist rule the roost.

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  30. Funny how actions on Twitlers part were transubstantiated into treason on Trumps part, due to his sarcasm on what was already last years headlines.

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  31. “… there is always the hope that the dissidents will grow stronger with rejection and something might actually happen in 2020.”

    No. If the Repubes lose this year, the floodgates will be opened to thoroughly dilute the current electorate with the peoples of the south, who will surely propel the Dems to a century of one party rule just like the PRI of Mexico.

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  32. @Wizard of Oz
    Aside from the important question of the US fulfilling its part of the deal with Iran what's wrong with threatening the use of (massive) force if Iran tests or claims to have a functioning nuclear weapon? BTW PG I don't think you have commented on the point that the US alone couldn't have maintained the status quo against Iran, especially sanctions. Your view?

    Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Khamenei said on Monday repeated his earlier comments that the US was never sincere in signing the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement. The Zionist lawmakers are now threatening international banking institutions not to honor billions of dollars trade agreements between Iran and France, Italy, and other European countries.

    In June, Khamenei while addressing a ceremony to mark the 27th anniversary of the sad demise of the leader of the Islamic Revolution Imam Khomeini at his Mausoleum southern Tehran, said that trusting Washington is a big mistake as most hostilities against Iran comes from the “US and the evil Britain”.

    Khamenei said that Washington was never sincere about implementing the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement (JCPOA). Therefore, Tehran has no intention of cooperating with the US and UK on regional issues.

    “This is an experience that even if we give up, the US will never stop its destructive role,” Ayatollah Khamenei said, noting that despite the fact that Iran has fulfilled its commitments based on the nuclear deal, the US broke its promises …..

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/06/05/khamenei-tehran-dont-trust-the-us-and-evil-uk/

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    How much will it matter to Iran if the US alone fails to honour the agreement?
  33. @War for Blair Mountain
    Phil

    I completely agree with you. Trump is absolutely awfull on Iran. Trump is an enthusiast for war. If Trump bombs Iran....it would mean nuclear war with Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia.

    Without doubt...Trump is AIPAC KOSHER. During the POTUS debates, Trump will demand that Russia stop giving Iran the s-300...s-400 missile systems, for without a doubt, Hillary Clinton will be baiting Trump about the s-300s...s-400s being retrofitted nuke capable.

    When it comes to Iran, Syria and Hizbullah – both Hillary and Trump would act like Israeli ‘lapdogs’. Russia is more closer to Israel than Iran. If the USrael ever dared to attack Iran – Putin will most probably sit on the sideline as he did more than 3-1/2 year in Syrian destruction by Israeli poodles.

    Russia dragged its feet for over eight years on delivery of S-300 surface-to-air-defense system to Iran as result of Netanyahu and Lieberman (a friend of Putin) objections. The deal was signed in 2007 with Tehran paying more than 70% of its cost in front.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/08/24/russia-drags-its-feet-over-s-300-delivery-to-iran/

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  34. @Rehmat
    Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatullah Khamenei said on Monday repeated his earlier comments that the US was never sincere in signing the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement. The Zionist lawmakers are now threatening international banking institutions not to honor billions of dollars trade agreements between Iran and France, Italy, and other European countries.

    In June, Khamenei while addressing a ceremony to mark the 27th anniversary of the sad demise of the leader of the Islamic Revolution Imam Khomeini at his Mausoleum southern Tehran, said that trusting Washington is a big mistake as most hostilities against Iran comes from the “US and the evil Britain”.

    Khamenei said that Washington was never sincere about implementing the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement (JCPOA). Therefore, Tehran has no intention of cooperating with the US and UK on regional issues.

    “This is an experience that even if we give up, the US will never stop its destructive role,” Ayatollah Khamenei said, noting that despite the fact that Iran has fulfilled its commitments based on the nuclear deal, the US broke its promises .....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/06/05/khamenei-tehran-dont-trust-the-us-and-evil-uk/

    How much will it matter to Iran if the US alone fails to honour the agreement?

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  35. @ISmellBagels
    Good column as usual. The yids rule.

    Given the proprietor’s strict injunction against sock-puppetry am I right to infer from your moniker that you only go online with signed, albeit pseudonymous, comment when there is something you want to say in criticism of Jews?

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    Am I right to infer from your posting profile that you are a zionazi on a hasbara mission?
  36. @Kiza
    I live in Australia. To gain a reference point, I have turned on the TV and visited a few printed media web sites. I never do this because MSM in Australia are just as pro-regime bad as in the US and the rest of the Anglo world. Here is a brief report.

    The most important piece of news is that the Reserve Bank of Australia has dropped the interest rates down to the lowest level in history. In other words, the Australian economy is in deep, deep, deep hole, although the MSM do not explain the drop. This official interest rate is the only reliable number because all other "measurements" are simply lies: growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc. The escaping Chinese money has been pumping up the Sydney real-estate market to unprecedented heights (just like in Canada, Washington state and California) and this is the only growth that this country will see for a while.

    After the drop in interest rates, the second most important "news" is absolutely relentless bashing of candidate Trump. It is a mono-diet of US-regime produced pieces (ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS) and a few locally produced anti-Trump pieces. Even the ticker tape at the bottom of TV screen keeps repeating the anti-Trump "news". The printed media are exactly the same. In the main national newspaper today, I counted three Trump-bashing pieces, but the comments to these articles are even worse than the articles: they smell strongly of being written by the professionals. My non-negative comments about Trump was not accepted, of course. My friends say that MSM Trump bashing is regular and unavoidable.

    Today's MSM watching experiment left me wondering: what are all these MSM cockroaches and the regime behind them so afraid of to be so persistently and proactively anti-Trump? The only similar boiling temperature propaganda was the anti-Putin propaganda during the US coup in Ukraine. It is clear that there is no theoretical possibility of a truthful Presidential election in the US. If they cannot brainwash enough, then they will start stealing. I believe that the US regime will push Hillary through to POTUS, but Trump will be the cockroach expozer - there will be far fewer naive people after this "election".

    I don’t know why that might interest UR readers but in case it does I suggest that those interested check what is reported for themselves.

    I have been on the subcontinent for some weeks but not confining myself in disdain to a brief sampling of Australia’s MSM.

    On a couple of selected matters I differ from Kiza.

    There was a broadside against it the day before the Reserve Bank cut the interest rate by Alan Kohler, a former broadsheet editor and perhaps Australia’s leading economic commentator. Immediately afterwards there was no lack of explanation in terms of getting inflation off the floor and countering the likely upwards effect of poor US GDP figures on the Australian dollar’s exchange rate with the US dollar. It has nothing to do with the economy being in a deep hole which is a considerable exaggeration despite the great Chinese commodity boom being unlikely to revive (or be replaced soon by India). Despite the 2007-2013 Labor governments having squandered the surplus they inherited on debt financed trivia Australia still has relatively great firepower in reserve, though a 1.75 per cent official bank rate is almost heading into the QE territory which Australia has avoided. The Turnbull government and some of the states seem to be about to spend up on infrastructure in the low interest rate, slowing growth, economy. Long oveedue of course but still ahead of the rabid Republican obstructionists in the US.

    As to all those “lies” there is something wrong with the head of someone who uses that word in reference to “growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc.”

    There are sometimes corrections in later months, there are imperfect methods of estimation or sampling and there are inherently problems in achieving precise accuracy (even if it mattered) in what Kiza seems to think are statistics claimed (by some unnamed bureaucrat??) as measurements as if with a tape measure. But the notion inplied by the word “lies” of a mens rea which is a motive for systematic deception is plain barmy. I don’t think recent Australian governments have even been up to the short term trick of changing definitions of unemployment. And you can’t get much mileage out of pushing the Bureau of Statistics to change its baskets of goods to fiddle inflation figures when there is virtually no inflation and the changes could easily rebound on you next quarter.

    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed. Ron Unz makes the most cogent objections to MSM but does so after reading the leading newspapers closely for hours. Kiza it seems, if he is not evolving his views and impressions of reality from the workings of his own brain, must be stewing unhealthily and almost exclusively on the www. Not a good way or place to be.

    (In fairness I recall being told by a famous judge who was born in the 1880s that, while at the Bar and still living at home with his retired lawyer father he went a year without reading newspapers – the Law Lists excepted perhaps – and that he was just as well informed about the important affairs of the day as any of his peers. No doubt he cross-examined his father and everyone else about the news).

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    A few of your comments on Ron's article were almost funny, which I commend (for example, you called yourself the President of the Hypochondriac Association of Australia or something similar), you still remain one of the principal polluters of this website with your prolific and extremely shelow commentary. I simply ignore (most of) your comments the same as I ignore ads on the commercial.

    About this one, I can only say, Australian MSM have a devout follower in you, or closer to home, if there were no sheep there would be no shearers.

    I really do not want to waste time on you, no more than before. Let it just be mentioned that a recent Australian labor growth figure was a laugh of the World (not that any US figure is any better), with extensive funny commentary about it online, where bull does not fly so well as in MSM.

    When on Australian economy, it is true that Australia is not a disaster zone of the US, Japan or UK kind (Australia is the best of the worst), but it is also true that Australia is a one-trick-pony and the pony's name is Resources. If the manufacturing countries do not buy resources, Australia is in trouble and this is why it is heading for the negative interest rates like all other countries of the same block. Now on QE and negative interest rates, there is well known effect of giving a debt junky limitless supply of the drug he is dependent on.

    To make things even worse than they are, deputy sheriff Australia is confronting China in the SCS as if it were not China which saved Australia so far from the economic disaster zone by buying Australian resources. Ahhh, the wisdom of fighting war on your principal customer!!!

    It is sad if I have to explain the point of my comment, but it was that whilst the Australian economy is sinking, the Australians are told to be happy about lower interest rates on their home mortgages and told to worry about Trump. The current Prime Minister's surname is so appropriate for the situation - Turn Bull.

    Finally, I would not mind reading an update from other countries on how their regimes are scaring domestics by The Trump. This is a good indicator of how much their country's regime depends on the US regime.

    , @NoseytheDuke
    The Labor government didn't really squander the "surplus" at all. The Howard government created a structural deficit so the surplus that you mention was temporary and thus illusory and only obtained in the first place by selling Australia's gold bullion at record low prices, around $350 or thereabouts and by selling off the telecommunications infrastructure thus preventing Australians from having the best of the one technology that ends the tyranny of distance and would have enabled Australia to better diversify its economy. Who offloads gold bullion at record low prices? The party Wiz favours, that's who.

    I'm not a Labor voter (nor LNP) but Labor's rapid disbursement of funds to stimulate the economy prevented the real estate crash that saw prices in parts of the US and UK fall by 40% and more hitting working people and families the hardest. Since regaining power, your party has doubled the deficit with nothing to show for it.

    I keep waiting for you to get something right, at least once.
    , @iffen
    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed.

    I thought the same thing when I read your comment on the genocide of Gypsies vis-a-vis Jews.
  37. @LarryS
    What Will the Mashiach Do? http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
    Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)
    The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

    Genesis 15:18 https://www.darkmoon.me/uploads/652x489xThe-Promised-Land.jpg.pagespeed.ic.AVS1foYg7b.jpg

    Where does that darkmoon stuff come from? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

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    Read Genesis 15:18 then Google: map Greater Israel, Your Slowness.
  38. @Intelligent Dasein
    When you stop to think about it, it is truly astonishing that the fate of this little make-believe country on the Mediterranean coast could come to occupy such a prominent place in the minds of America's political elite.

    What is going on here? What is Israel, really? An international crime syndicate? A nuclear-armed flash mob? Yes it is these things, but to Western elites it is something more besides. It is the clearest vision yet glimpsed of their hearts' desire. In its internationalism, its "freedom" from all constraints of place, from any rules not of its own making; in its boundless faith in the power of money, its contempt for labor, its insouciant declaration that all the world's spoil rightly belongs to it; in its bellicosity, its hubris, its ruthless self-assurance rooted in a religious ideal that has long since banished God to the attic---in all these things, it is exactly what our elites aspire to be.

    The upper strata of European-American society is grafting itself heart and soul into the same Jewish-sprung cosmopolitanism that produced Bolshevism and crony capitalism. There is no need any longer to posit a secret cabal of Jewish schemers bent on world domination. Our elites, at heart, are already Jews.

    Perfidious Jews.

    While it is said that an urbane French diplomat described Israel as a “shitty little country” I wonder if you haver been to Israel, know any Israelis or read their news media and opinion media???? Or does such invective come from the imagination?

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    • Replies: @bunga
    shitty little country”
    The description apples to the ideas that shape the policies and the orientation of the country . It is an apt description of the ruling class of Israel who uphold those polices and the orientation .
    , @Art

    While it is said that an urbane French diplomat described Israel as a “shitty little country” I wonder if you haver been to Israel, know any Israelis or read their news media and opinion media????
     
    Here is why Israel is a "shitty little country” -- it is stealing Palestine by the day.

    The Stain of Palestine swirls all around Israel.


    47 Israeli violations against journalists in July

    GAZA – The Journalist Support Committee (JSC) said that Israel’s military and security forces committed 47 violations against journalists and media workers during July 2016.

    In a recent report, the JSC said that the Israeli army and police arrested eight Palestinian journalists from Jerusalem, Qalqilya and Ramallah, and released most of them later during the month.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/47-israeli-violations-against-journalists-in-july/
     

  39. @Wizard of Oz
    While it is said that an urbane French diplomat described Israel as a "shitty little country" I wonder if you haver been to Israel, know any Israelis or read their news media and opinion media???? Or does such invective come from the imagination?

    shitty little country”
    The description apples to the ideas that shape the policies and the orientation of the country . It is an apt description of the ruling class of Israel who uphold those polices and the orientation .

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    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Presumably you are judging it only on policies which relate to security?

    I appreciate that you might want to deny the reality of the Israelis concerns - but I don't suppose they are just pretending to the fears they profess, do you?

    Their scientific research and venture capital are pretty impressive are yhey not?
  40. @Wizard of Oz
    Where does that darkmoon stuff come from? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

    Read Genesis 15:18 then Google: map Greater Israel, Your Slowness.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    As I susppected. You should follow your own advice but that would result in your looking at many more and different passages apart from Genesis 15:18.

    More important: your choice of one of many maps of "Geatter Israel" is irrelevant without showing that it has a place in Israrli policy.
  41. @TJM
    Living in America today and knowing the Zionist Jewish parasite that is everywhere, yet seen by no one, is quite challenging. In our elections its either Jews or Zionist that get elected, and yet no one dare mention that fact.

    They control information, the media, entertainment and even web sites and comment sections, using paid commentators to post lies and bully honest questions.

    I am not anti Jewish, I am anti Zionist Jewish, and not because of who they are, but what they do.

    But even with all their lies and manipulation, the truth is still getting out. More and more people are seeing through the lies, and are understanding the crisis America is in.

    When the tide turns it will turn fast, so much animosity and frustration has built up over the centuries. We just need a catalyst, Trump may be it.

    I am not anti Jewish, I am anti Zionist Jewish, and not because of who they are, but what they do.

    hbdears like to say

    ”people are what they do”

    =)

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  42. For Constitutionalists, members of the traditional demographic, and believers in Western Civilization, it has come to this: ITS TRUMP OR ITS GONE!

    Failing a Trump success, America will disintegrate as devolution then takes place. And it won’t be pretty.

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  43. @bunga
    shitty little country”
    The description apples to the ideas that shape the policies and the orientation of the country . It is an apt description of the ruling class of Israel who uphold those polices and the orientation .

    Presumably you are judging it only on policies which relate to security?

    I appreciate that you might want to deny the reality of the Israelis concerns – but I don’t suppose they are just pretending to the fears they profess, do you?

    Their scientific research and venture capital are pretty impressive are yhey not?

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  44. @LarryS
    Read Genesis 15:18 then Google: map Greater Israel, Your Slowness.

    As I susppected. You should follow your own advice but that would result in your looking at many more and different passages apart from Genesis 15:18.

    More important: your choice of one of many maps of “Geatter Israel” is irrelevant without showing that it has a place in Israrli policy.

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  45. @Wizard of Oz
    I don't know why that might interest UR readers but in case it does I suggest that those interested check what is reported for themselves.

    I have been on the subcontinent for some weeks but not confining myself in disdain to a brief sampling of Australia's MSM.

    On a couple of selected matters I differ from Kiza.

    There was a broadside against it the day before the Reserve Bank cut the interest rate by Alan Kohler, a former broadsheet editor and perhaps Australia's leading economic commentator. Immediately afterwards there was no lack of explanation in terms of getting inflation off the floor and countering the likely upwards effect of poor US GDP figures on the Australian dollar's exchange rate with the US dollar. It has nothing to do with the economy being in a deep hole which is a considerable exaggeration despite the great Chinese commodity boom being unlikely to revive (or be replaced soon by India). Despite the 2007-2013 Labor governments having squandered the surplus they inherited on debt financed trivia Australia still has relatively great firepower in reserve, though a 1.75 per cent official bank rate is almost heading into the QE territory which Australia has avoided. The Turnbull government and some of the states seem to be about to spend up on infrastructure in the low interest rate, slowing growth, economy. Long oveedue of course but still ahead of the rabid Republican obstructionists in the US.

    As to all those "lies" there is something wrong with the head of someone who uses that word in reference to "growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc."

    There are sometimes corrections in later months, there are imperfect methods of estimation or sampling and there are inherently problems in achieving precise accuracy (even if it mattered) in what Kiza seems to think are statistics claimed (by some unnamed bureaucrat??) as measurements as if with a tape measure. But the notion inplied by the word "lies" of a mens rea which is a motive for systematic deception is plain barmy. I don't think recent Australian governments have even been up to the short term trick of changing definitions of unemployment. And you can't get much mileage out of pushing the Bureau of Statistics to change its baskets of goods to fiddle inflation figures when there is virtually no inflation and the changes could easily rebound on you next quarter.

    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed. Ron Unz makes the most cogent objections to MSM but does so after reading the leading newspapers closely for hours. Kiza it seems, if he is not evolving his views and impressions of reality from the workings of his own brain, must be stewing unhealthily and almost exclusively on the www. Not a good way or place to be.

    (In fairness I recall being told by a famous judge who was born in the 1880s that, while at the Bar and still living at home with his retired lawyer father he went a year without reading newspapers - the Law Lists excepted perhaps - and that he was just as well informed about the important affairs of the day as any of his peers. No doubt he cross-examined his father and everyone else about the news).

    A few of your comments on Ron’s article were almost funny, which I commend (for example, you called yourself the President of the Hypochondriac Association of Australia or something similar), you still remain one of the principal polluters of this website with your prolific and extremely shelow commentary. I simply ignore (most of) your comments the same as I ignore ads on the commercial.

    About this one, I can only say, Australian MSM have a devout follower in you, or closer to home, if there were no sheep there would be no shearers.

    I really do not want to waste time on you, no more than before. Let it just be mentioned that a recent Australian labor growth figure was a laugh of the World (not that any US figure is any better), with extensive funny commentary about it online, where bull does not fly so well as in MSM.

    When on Australian economy, it is true that Australia is not a disaster zone of the US, Japan or UK kind (Australia is the best of the worst), but it is also true that Australia is a one-trick-pony and the pony’s name is Resources. If the manufacturing countries do not buy resources, Australia is in trouble and this is why it is heading for the negative interest rates like all other countries of the same block. Now on QE and negative interest rates, there is well known effect of giving a debt junky limitless supply of the drug he is dependent on.

    To make things even worse than they are, deputy sheriff Australia is confronting China in the SCS as if it were not China which saved Australia so far from the economic disaster zone by buying Australian resources. Ahhh, the wisdom of fighting war on your principal customer!!!

    It is sad if I have to explain the point of my comment, but it was that whilst the Australian economy is sinking, the Australians are told to be happy about lower interest rates on their home mortgages and told to worry about Trump. The current Prime Minister’s surname is so appropriate for the situation – Turn Bull.

    Finally, I would not mind reading an update from other countries on how their regimes are scaring domestics by The Trump. This is a good indicator of how much their country’s regime depends on the US regime.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    OK on the interest one might have in what other countries are saying about Trump but it is silly to suggest you have done so after your vain I-never-bother-with-the-MSN-but-held-my-nose-and-did-so-once-for-y'all riff. Very big of you Squire as your unimpressed worldwide readership might think.

    And you say nothing to justify your use of the Internet nutter's favourite "lies" save to make the vague and grandiose assertion that a recent "labor growth figure was a laugh of the World [sic- your Cap]". Ah, so I shall find it in the FT, WSJ, Correre della Sera, Naked News...??? And was it corrected/adjusted the following month like a lot of ABD statistics?

    As you don't resort to MSM where do you learn that Australia is "confronting China in the South China Sea"? Not a source apparently that allows you to know that Australia has merely - so far - noted that the international panel of judges exercising a jurisdiction that China signed up for by treaty has supported the Philippines case that China cannot turn rocks within the Philippines 200 mile economic zone into Chinese Islands which give it rights over the surrounding sea and seabed. Of course you could be frightened by the Global Times rants (the Global Times is a bit like Times owner News Limited's Sun in relation to The People's Daily which doesn't tend to engage in bullying bombast) which no self-respecting country would allow to intimidate - or provoke - them. And what has China's once great coal and iron ore purchases got to do with that? You assert or imply a connection.

    Instead of pontificating grandly from your armchair like a prentice Colonel Blimp (though admittedly not a patriotic blowhard) why not argue, with precise reasons, why Australia should or should not be intimidated out of exercising right of lawful passage through international waters in the South China Sea where Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Bruneiamd Vietnam would all support it in doing so? Do you see any sign of less Chinese money flooding into Australia for coal, iron ore, real estate including primary production, education and tourism?

    As to debt you fail to make the important distinction (though both matter) between publuc and private sector debt. As anyone interested would find for themselves it is private sector debt which is historically high in Australia. Unprecedentedly low interest rates make it a no brainer if you are not an elderly individual and can get a long enough fixed rate loan that you should borrow to invest in a country with a high rate of good quality population growth and no real prospect of serious deflation. As I said, Australia has a lot of firepower left to fund infrastructure now that we have a PM who is not irrationally debt phobic as long as the Senate doesn't continue to be destructive which it probably won't be on the expenditure side though its help in curbing outrageous union inflated building costs is not guaramteed.

  46. Bill Clinton insulted people with is over the top exaggerated body language and facial expression at the convention. Only a total brainstemer would be influenced.

    He also insulted people with “I met a girl” BS about Hillary – people know better – they knew it was all a big lie.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Do not you think that Bill's behavior and words were appropriate for the intellectual level of the audience at the Convention? At the least that part of the audience that the theater lights were shining on - they cut the lights off on the Sanders supporters chanting "no-more-war".
  47. @Wizard of Oz
    While it is said that an urbane French diplomat described Israel as a "shitty little country" I wonder if you haver been to Israel, know any Israelis or read their news media and opinion media???? Or does such invective come from the imagination?

    While it is said that an urbane French diplomat described Israel as a “shitty little country” I wonder if you haver been to Israel, know any Israelis or read their news media and opinion media????

    Here is why Israel is a “shitty little country” — it is stealing Palestine by the day.

    The Stain of Palestine swirls all around Israel.

    47 Israeli violations against journalists in July

    GAZA – The Journalist Support Committee (JSC) said that Israel’s military and security forces committed 47 violations against journalists and media workers during July 2016.

    In a recent report, the JSC said that the Israeli army and police arrested eight Palestinian journalists from Jerusalem, Qalqilya and Ramallah, and released most of them later during the month.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/47-israeli-violations-against-journalists-in-july/

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  48. I really wanna believe that Trump will chart a new course, but he’s surrounded by Jews and when Jews have influence that means America and Americans (especially white Americans) will NOT come first. The author of Trump’s convention speech, Stephen Miller, is Jewish so it’s no surprise that Israel was mentioned so many times. It’s also no surprise that the welfare of blacks and Latinos was mentioned but not one word about the trials and tribulations of white people in Hussein Obama’s America.

    Part of me fears Trump will become Dubya 2.0. GW Bush Jr. was non-interventionist and spoke of protecting America’s workers on the campaign trail and even attempted to protect America steel workers shortly after taking office. But it proved short lived and after 9/11 it was invade the world, invite the world which paved the way for Obama and the emergence of ISIS.

    If Trump manages to win in spite of all the forces arrayed against him including the possibility of election fraud, it will only take one major false flag terrorist attack to make him into a war president in service to Israel’s whims and foreign policy goals.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Just hope Ginsberg has a heart attack the when the election is called for Trump, then it will all be worth it.
    , @utu
    If Trump is allowed or made to win it will mean that the true powers have decided to do a major refurbishment of the world. A true war. Not just some bombing of Libya, Syria or even Iran. The worst of it is that Trump does not know it just like Bush Jr. did not know and was talking about isolationism during his campaign. If Hillary wins there will be more of the same Bush/Obama stuff - maximum 2 little wars per 4 years.
    , @schmenz
    " It’s also no surprise that the welfare of blacks and Latinos was mentioned but not one word about the trials and tribulations of white people in Hussein Obama’s America."

    His shedding of tears over the Poofs was also not very encouraging. Apparently Big Buggery and their media/judicial/corporate supporters will continue to come down hard on anyone who objects to sex perversion under a Trump Administration.

    He said in his speech "I am your protector", or words to that effect. Apparently with his slobbering over the fairies and his pushing Peter Thiel in our faces he will not be the "protector" of those who simply want to be left alone from the predations of the Homo Class.

    I'll be delighted if I am wrong.
  49. @Art
    Bill Clinton insulted people with is over the top exaggerated body language and facial expression at the convention. Only a total brainstemer would be influenced.

    He also insulted people with “I met a girl” BS about Hillary – people know better – they knew it was all a big lie.

    Do not you think that Bill’s behavior and words were appropriate for the intellectual level of the audience at the Convention? At the least that part of the audience that the theater lights were shining on – they cut the lights off on the Sanders supporters chanting “no-more-war”.

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  50. @KenH
    I really wanna believe that Trump will chart a new course, but he's surrounded by Jews and when Jews have influence that means America and Americans (especially white Americans) will NOT come first. The author of Trump's convention speech, Stephen Miller, is Jewish so it's no surprise that Israel was mentioned so many times. It's also no surprise that the welfare of blacks and Latinos was mentioned but not one word about the trials and tribulations of white people in Hussein Obama's America.

    Part of me fears Trump will become Dubya 2.0. GW Bush Jr. was non-interventionist and spoke of protecting America's workers on the campaign trail and even attempted to protect America steel workers shortly after taking office. But it proved short lived and after 9/11 it was invade the world, invite the world which paved the way for Obama and the emergence of ISIS.

    If Trump manages to win in spite of all the forces arrayed against him including the possibility of election fraud, it will only take one major false flag terrorist attack to make him into a war president in service to Israel's whims and foreign policy goals.

    Just hope Ginsberg has a heart attack the when the election is called for Trump, then it will all be worth it.

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  51. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Right, both parties suck up to Jews.

    But Trump is obviously the better choice.

    US is really messed up crazy.

    Consider all the nuttiness this spring and summer.

    Democrat thugs mess up Trump rallies and physically attack Americans. A rally in Chicago was even shut down due to thuggery.
    Media see no problem.

    Muslim crazies carry out all sorts of attacks in the West.

    Many Muslims have been uprooted by Wars for Israel pushed by Neocons, Cucks, and Democrats like Obama/Hillary. That’s why there is a ‘refugee crisis’.

    Obama and Hillary push for open borders and amnesty for illegals. Millions of them. No rule of law.

    BLM is a crazy movement, but it has blessing of Democrats. Cops got gunned down in bunch of cities.

    [MORE]

    Obama’s SC appointees have no use for Constitution and make up stuff as they go along. Like ‘gay marriage’.

    Colleges are overrun with PC lunacy and nutty hoaxes.

    Journalism is in total LIE mode, what with stuff like UVA hysteria. And most Americans say they don’t trust media.

    Black crime is way up due to Ferguson effect.

    Blacks burned down Baltimore.

    Obama is gonna send dangerous city blacks to suburbs and small towns.

    Cold War was over long ago, and we can have peace, but Hillary wants new cold war at behest of globalist Jews who date-raped Russia in the 90s and instigated crazy coup in Ukraine.

    Hillary and Obama’s actions in Libya and Syria are war crimes. They destroyed a nation and then aided alqaeda terrorists in the other and created chaos that led to ISIS.

    US actions have led to total invasion of EU by ‘refugees’ and ‘migrants’.

    In all this, Hillary calls for more reckless globalism while Trump calls for security and nationalism.

    But Hillary still leads.

    But then,this is a nation where majority have been won over to ‘gay marriage’, which is now a religious cult that is now even entering into churches as a matter of ‘pride’.
    This is a nation where Americans think 25% of the population is homo.
    This is a nation where full grown adults get tattoos and their kids follow, to top it with piercing.

    It’s like PROGLOB — progo-glob0-ism — is the default position of the US due to yrs and yrs of the 2PC’s: Political Correctness and Pop Culture, both dominated by progs, Jews, homos, blacks, and skanks. (Sadly, even the success of Trump owes to the sheer celebrity-ization of culture. Look at Justin Trudeau and the new pope or poop. They are celebrity queens.)

    So, Trump’s star rises only in times of shock. When there is an attack on police or a terrorist attack. But as the story fades — with media spinning it toward more celeb trivia and globalist propaganda —, it’s like the reset button is pushed and we are back to default position of supporting the PROGLOB.

    So, the norm is pro-Hillary, and shock is pro-Trump. So, if norm prevails, Hillary wins, and if shock jolts and jolts, Trump may win.

    But what a crazy world. Hillary is pushing a mad agenda of globalism, but that is seen as the NORM.

    But if ‘gay marriage’ is real marriage and if illegals are ‘undocumented immigrants’(what this country is all about), I guess we live in a world of the New Normal.

    PS. Where Trump really did fail is in his needless overstatements. Such style was fun on TV show like the Apprentice. And it was even tolerated when Trump was attacking other Republicans. But when he’s up against Hillary, the darling of the GLOB, his style will be attacked and denounced for being ‘extreme’.
    And I must say he was too extreme in some areas, and needlessly so.

    He could have owned the terrorism and Muslim threat issue WITHOUT calling for total ban on Muslims.

    He could have dealt strongly with issue of illegal immigration without being so nasty about Mexicans. He could have worded things more carefully. Mexers have huge chip on their shoulders, a real inferiority complex vis-a-vis gringos or gabachos. Consider how Mexers acted when Greg Haugen made a joke about Julio Caesar Chavez.

    Coulter only need to sell books. To win elections, you have to either win over the other side or not antagonize them too much. Trump went too far in some areas.
    He also went too hard against Cruz, which is why Cruz couldn’t endorse Trump.

    Trump needs to find a way to be firm and strong without sounding over-the-top and hysterical, esp as the media will spin everything he says and does as ‘extreme’.

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    • Replies: @mr. meener
    trump was so successful because he did what you are telling him not to do. his style got him here and if he changes it like you want he will lose a lot of votes
    , @schmenz
    Very well observed. Trump needs to get some solid, serious and honest advisers. Fast.
  52. @KenH
    I really wanna believe that Trump will chart a new course, but he's surrounded by Jews and when Jews have influence that means America and Americans (especially white Americans) will NOT come first. The author of Trump's convention speech, Stephen Miller, is Jewish so it's no surprise that Israel was mentioned so many times. It's also no surprise that the welfare of blacks and Latinos was mentioned but not one word about the trials and tribulations of white people in Hussein Obama's America.

    Part of me fears Trump will become Dubya 2.0. GW Bush Jr. was non-interventionist and spoke of protecting America's workers on the campaign trail and even attempted to protect America steel workers shortly after taking office. But it proved short lived and after 9/11 it was invade the world, invite the world which paved the way for Obama and the emergence of ISIS.

    If Trump manages to win in spite of all the forces arrayed against him including the possibility of election fraud, it will only take one major false flag terrorist attack to make him into a war president in service to Israel's whims and foreign policy goals.

    If Trump is allowed or made to win it will mean that the true powers have decided to do a major refurbishment of the world. A true war. Not just some bombing of Libya, Syria or even Iran. The worst of it is that Trump does not know it just like Bush Jr. did not know and was talking about isolationism during his campaign. If Hillary wins there will be more of the same Bush/Obama stuff – maximum 2 little wars per 4 years.

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  53. @Kiza
    A few of your comments on Ron's article were almost funny, which I commend (for example, you called yourself the President of the Hypochondriac Association of Australia or something similar), you still remain one of the principal polluters of this website with your prolific and extremely shelow commentary. I simply ignore (most of) your comments the same as I ignore ads on the commercial.

    About this one, I can only say, Australian MSM have a devout follower in you, or closer to home, if there were no sheep there would be no shearers.

    I really do not want to waste time on you, no more than before. Let it just be mentioned that a recent Australian labor growth figure was a laugh of the World (not that any US figure is any better), with extensive funny commentary about it online, where bull does not fly so well as in MSM.

    When on Australian economy, it is true that Australia is not a disaster zone of the US, Japan or UK kind (Australia is the best of the worst), but it is also true that Australia is a one-trick-pony and the pony's name is Resources. If the manufacturing countries do not buy resources, Australia is in trouble and this is why it is heading for the negative interest rates like all other countries of the same block. Now on QE and negative interest rates, there is well known effect of giving a debt junky limitless supply of the drug he is dependent on.

    To make things even worse than they are, deputy sheriff Australia is confronting China in the SCS as if it were not China which saved Australia so far from the economic disaster zone by buying Australian resources. Ahhh, the wisdom of fighting war on your principal customer!!!

    It is sad if I have to explain the point of my comment, but it was that whilst the Australian economy is sinking, the Australians are told to be happy about lower interest rates on their home mortgages and told to worry about Trump. The current Prime Minister's surname is so appropriate for the situation - Turn Bull.

    Finally, I would not mind reading an update from other countries on how their regimes are scaring domestics by The Trump. This is a good indicator of how much their country's regime depends on the US regime.

    OK on the interest one might have in what other countries are saying about Trump but it is silly to suggest you have done so after your vain I-never-bother-with-the-MSN-but-held-my-nose-and-did-so-once-for-y’all riff. Very big of you Squire as your unimpressed worldwide readership might think.

    And you say nothing to justify your use of the Internet nutter’s favourite “lies” save to make the vague and grandiose assertion that a recent “labor growth figure was a laugh of the World [sic- your Cap]“. Ah, so I shall find it in the FT, WSJ, Correre della Sera, Naked News…??? And was it corrected/adjusted the following month like a lot of ABD statistics?

    As you don’t resort to MSM where do you learn that Australia is “confronting China in the South China Sea”? Not a source apparently that allows you to know that Australia has merely – so far – noted that the international panel of judges exercising a jurisdiction that China signed up for by treaty has supported the Philippines case that China cannot turn rocks within the Philippines 200 mile economic zone into Chinese Islands which give it rights over the surrounding sea and seabed. Of course you could be frightened by the Global Times rants (the Global Times is a bit like Times owner News Limited’s Sun in relation to The People’s Daily which doesn’t tend to engage in bullying bombast) which no self-respecting country would allow to intimidate – or provoke – them. And what has China’s once great coal and iron ore purchases got to do with that? You assert or imply a connection.

    Instead of pontificating grandly from your armchair like a prentice Colonel Blimp (though admittedly not a patriotic blowhard) why not argue, with precise reasons, why Australia should or should not be intimidated out of exercising right of lawful passage through international waters in the South China Sea where Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Bruneiamd Vietnam would all support it in doing so? Do you see any sign of less Chinese money flooding into Australia for coal, iron ore, real estate including primary production, education and tourism?

    As to debt you fail to make the important distinction (though both matter) between publuc and private sector debt. As anyone interested would find for themselves it is private sector debt which is historically high in Australia. Unprecedentedly low interest rates make it a no brainer if you are not an elderly individual and can get a long enough fixed rate loan that you should borrow to invest in a country with a high rate of good quality population growth and no real prospect of serious deflation. As I said, Australia has a lot of firepower left to fund infrastructure now that we have a PM who is not irrationally debt phobic as long as the Senate doesn’t continue to be destructive which it probably won’t be on the expenditure side though its help in curbing outrageous union inflated building costs is not guaramteed.

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    Australia's PM Turnbull is just an empty egotist who cannot even control his own party. Imagine a nation having as its leader a man who invests his own multiples of millions in offshore tax havens whilst increasing taxes on the working population. That's your guy.

    The petty partisan politics saw the LNP refuse to back former PM Rudd's bid for the UN Sec Gen even though Rudd is immensely popular with the Chinese and an experienced diplomat, he even speaks Chinese.

    The empty-headed clothing mannequin flinty Julie Bishop cancelled an $850 million deal to supply dairy products to Russia based on zero evidence of Russian complicity in the downing of MH17, still! The trade was promptly snapped up by close friends New Zealand.

    Probing the right of passage in the South China Sea makes no sense given that China is Australia's number one trading partner, is allowed to even buy port facilities and farmland in Australia and is unlikely to deny access to Australian shipping. Why wouldn't they want to protect their shipping lanes? Doesn't the US do that?

    Seriously Wiz, have you considered getting a checkup from the neck up?
    , @Kiza
    Writing about infrastructure, your "non-debt phobic PM" (a former director of Goldman Sucks Australia and the biggest crook amongst politicians I have ever seen) has already totally stuffed up the National Broadband Network, what else remains to be stuffed up now? Roads, railways, ports?

    As would be expected, you have no idea what the private or public debt is, you just babble on. Together with Canadians, the Australians are the second highest private debt junkies in the World. When not spending beyond their means, their "investment" is in the mentioned speculative real-estate bubble.

    I finish my final post in our OT "debate" about a f'ed up country worrying about Trump being elected with a link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/d-day-australias-real-estate-bubble

  54. @Kiza
    I live in Australia. To gain a reference point, I have turned on the TV and visited a few printed media web sites. I never do this because MSM in Australia are just as pro-regime bad as in the US and the rest of the Anglo world. Here is a brief report.

    The most important piece of news is that the Reserve Bank of Australia has dropped the interest rates down to the lowest level in history. In other words, the Australian economy is in deep, deep, deep hole, although the MSM do not explain the drop. This official interest rate is the only reliable number because all other "measurements" are simply lies: growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc. The escaping Chinese money has been pumping up the Sydney real-estate market to unprecedented heights (just like in Canada, Washington state and California) and this is the only growth that this country will see for a while.

    After the drop in interest rates, the second most important "news" is absolutely relentless bashing of candidate Trump. It is a mono-diet of US-regime produced pieces (ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS) and a few locally produced anti-Trump pieces. Even the ticker tape at the bottom of TV screen keeps repeating the anti-Trump "news". The printed media are exactly the same. In the main national newspaper today, I counted three Trump-bashing pieces, but the comments to these articles are even worse than the articles: they smell strongly of being written by the professionals. My non-negative comments about Trump was not accepted, of course. My friends say that MSM Trump bashing is regular and unavoidable.

    Today's MSM watching experiment left me wondering: what are all these MSM cockroaches and the regime behind them so afraid of to be so persistently and proactively anti-Trump? The only similar boiling temperature propaganda was the anti-Putin propaganda during the US coup in Ukraine. It is clear that there is no theoretical possibility of a truthful Presidential election in the US. If they cannot brainwash enough, then they will start stealing. I believe that the US regime will push Hillary through to POTUS, but Trump will be the cockroach expozer - there will be far fewer naive people after this "election".

    Australians thrice elected the Lying Rodent Howard who took the nation to war against nations and peoples who had done it no harm nor were ever likely to therefore it is only right and just that the people of Australia suffer loss of wealth and liberty. This is happening. Sun Tsu warned that war can be the death of a nation. The same holds true for the British and American people.

    Were these righteous nations Bush, Blair and Howard would be arrested and hanged in the manner Saddam Hussain was, yet they roam free as privileged pillars of society.

    Australians recently re-elected the same political party who lied their way into power at the previous election too. Stupid is as stupid does. Australians deserve good sports and recreation since that’s what they care most about, they certainly don’t deserve good government.

    I wish it were not so but how could it be any other way?

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    You sound like the ghost of Malcolm Fraser in your execration of Howard and his wars! But Howard was only a hanger on which has been Australia's gesture to prudence, reality and low defence spending for 70 -75 years. I don't agree with Howard's justification of Bush but from an Australian point of view you have to take note of one remarkable fact. Despite the prominent part and major responsibilities accorded by the US command to Australians like General Jim Molan only one Australian serviceman was killed in Iraq (yes ONE) and he shot himself accidentally in his own quarters.

    How widely and consistently btw do you extend your rule that all the people of a country may justly be made to suffer if whatever counts as the necessary plurality in their constitutional setup votes in a government which hurts other people when it stuffs up. Which Russians deserve no mercy from the Chechens? Etc and many etcs.
  55. @Wizard of Oz
    I don't know why that might interest UR readers but in case it does I suggest that those interested check what is reported for themselves.

    I have been on the subcontinent for some weeks but not confining myself in disdain to a brief sampling of Australia's MSM.

    On a couple of selected matters I differ from Kiza.

    There was a broadside against it the day before the Reserve Bank cut the interest rate by Alan Kohler, a former broadsheet editor and perhaps Australia's leading economic commentator. Immediately afterwards there was no lack of explanation in terms of getting inflation off the floor and countering the likely upwards effect of poor US GDP figures on the Australian dollar's exchange rate with the US dollar. It has nothing to do with the economy being in a deep hole which is a considerable exaggeration despite the great Chinese commodity boom being unlikely to revive (or be replaced soon by India). Despite the 2007-2013 Labor governments having squandered the surplus they inherited on debt financed trivia Australia still has relatively great firepower in reserve, though a 1.75 per cent official bank rate is almost heading into the QE territory which Australia has avoided. The Turnbull government and some of the states seem to be about to spend up on infrastructure in the low interest rate, slowing growth, economy. Long oveedue of course but still ahead of the rabid Republican obstructionists in the US.

    As to all those "lies" there is something wrong with the head of someone who uses that word in reference to "growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc."

    There are sometimes corrections in later months, there are imperfect methods of estimation or sampling and there are inherently problems in achieving precise accuracy (even if it mattered) in what Kiza seems to think are statistics claimed (by some unnamed bureaucrat??) as measurements as if with a tape measure. But the notion inplied by the word "lies" of a mens rea which is a motive for systematic deception is plain barmy. I don't think recent Australian governments have even been up to the short term trick of changing definitions of unemployment. And you can't get much mileage out of pushing the Bureau of Statistics to change its baskets of goods to fiddle inflation figures when there is virtually no inflation and the changes could easily rebound on you next quarter.

    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed. Ron Unz makes the most cogent objections to MSM but does so after reading the leading newspapers closely for hours. Kiza it seems, if he is not evolving his views and impressions of reality from the workings of his own brain, must be stewing unhealthily and almost exclusively on the www. Not a good way or place to be.

    (In fairness I recall being told by a famous judge who was born in the 1880s that, while at the Bar and still living at home with his retired lawyer father he went a year without reading newspapers - the Law Lists excepted perhaps - and that he was just as well informed about the important affairs of the day as any of his peers. No doubt he cross-examined his father and everyone else about the news).

    The Labor government didn’t really squander the “surplus” at all. The Howard government created a structural deficit so the surplus that you mention was temporary and thus illusory and only obtained in the first place by selling Australia’s gold bullion at record low prices, around $350 or thereabouts and by selling off the telecommunications infrastructure thus preventing Australians from having the best of the one technology that ends the tyranny of distance and would have enabled Australia to better diversify its economy. Who offloads gold bullion at record low prices? The party Wiz favours, that’s who.

    I’m not a Labor voter (nor LNP) but Labor’s rapid disbursement of funds to stimulate the economy prevented the real estate crash that saw prices in parts of the US and UK fall by 40% and more hitting working people and families the hardest. Since regaining power, your party has doubled the deficit with nothing to show for it.

    I keep waiting for you to get something right, at least once.

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    I conxede an elision that you are well informed enough to notice. The tax cuts and other giveaways that Howard gave and Labor promised to keep were going to require some bracing restraint to maintain the surpluses after the prices of iron ore and coal crashed but the fact is that Rudd and Swan, with Turnbull's support, followed Ken Henry's stock standard Treasury advice to "go early, go hard, go households" and to prop up the banks' borrowing power, when Lehman went under in September 2008. That was for $8 billion, peanuts, and it worked reasonably efficiently. Then the squandering really started (not saved surplus funds but borrowed money). $42 billion was promised and, ultimately, completely unnecessarily spent on school halls that economically produced only ongoing costs and on the disastrous and deadly pink batt program designed to appeal to climate change catastrophists (just as the school halls were, in the absence of defensible infrastructure plans, at least appealing to a couple of Labor constituencies). But not only did Labor have no shovel ready worthwhile plans they had no plan to stop the money wasting stimulus when it became apparent by mid 2009 that China was saving Australia's bacon and there would be no recession.

    There was never a threat to Australian house prices pace Steve Keen because of several factors such as Australia's major urban concentrations, high immigration and a housing shortage.

    Equally from memory I dont think the selling of gold bullion was either large scale or recent. It was in the late 90s I think when Gordon Brown really did hit the bottom of the market with UK gold sales but I wonder whether you are serious. Do you really think it better to pay the cost (even after some fees for lending to shortsellers) of holding it rather than earn interest on US Treasuries atonce healthy rates of interest? As for Telstra! I had occasion to address a lot of their middling to senior managers and engineers in the early 90s and decent not stupid people though they were it was clear that only fantasists would have maintained the state monopoly in the hope they would do something marvellous with it. Having closely followed Telstra and the NBN (with side glances to Optus, iinet, Primus et al( for over 20 years I am glad you eeren't managing money for me - or I hope tsxayers' money.

    , @5371
    [selling Australia’s gold bullion at record low prices, around $350 or thereabouts]

    I thought only Gordon "Sell Low, Buy High" Brown did things like that.
  56. @Wizard of Oz
    OK on the interest one might have in what other countries are saying about Trump but it is silly to suggest you have done so after your vain I-never-bother-with-the-MSN-but-held-my-nose-and-did-so-once-for-y'all riff. Very big of you Squire as your unimpressed worldwide readership might think.

    And you say nothing to justify your use of the Internet nutter's favourite "lies" save to make the vague and grandiose assertion that a recent "labor growth figure was a laugh of the World [sic- your Cap]". Ah, so I shall find it in the FT, WSJ, Correre della Sera, Naked News...??? And was it corrected/adjusted the following month like a lot of ABD statistics?

    As you don't resort to MSM where do you learn that Australia is "confronting China in the South China Sea"? Not a source apparently that allows you to know that Australia has merely - so far - noted that the international panel of judges exercising a jurisdiction that China signed up for by treaty has supported the Philippines case that China cannot turn rocks within the Philippines 200 mile economic zone into Chinese Islands which give it rights over the surrounding sea and seabed. Of course you could be frightened by the Global Times rants (the Global Times is a bit like Times owner News Limited's Sun in relation to The People's Daily which doesn't tend to engage in bullying bombast) which no self-respecting country would allow to intimidate - or provoke - them. And what has China's once great coal and iron ore purchases got to do with that? You assert or imply a connection.

    Instead of pontificating grandly from your armchair like a prentice Colonel Blimp (though admittedly not a patriotic blowhard) why not argue, with precise reasons, why Australia should or should not be intimidated out of exercising right of lawful passage through international waters in the South China Sea where Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Bruneiamd Vietnam would all support it in doing so? Do you see any sign of less Chinese money flooding into Australia for coal, iron ore, real estate including primary production, education and tourism?

    As to debt you fail to make the important distinction (though both matter) between publuc and private sector debt. As anyone interested would find for themselves it is private sector debt which is historically high in Australia. Unprecedentedly low interest rates make it a no brainer if you are not an elderly individual and can get a long enough fixed rate loan that you should borrow to invest in a country with a high rate of good quality population growth and no real prospect of serious deflation. As I said, Australia has a lot of firepower left to fund infrastructure now that we have a PM who is not irrationally debt phobic as long as the Senate doesn't continue to be destructive which it probably won't be on the expenditure side though its help in curbing outrageous union inflated building costs is not guaramteed.

    Australia’s PM Turnbull is just an empty egotist who cannot even control his own party. Imagine a nation having as its leader a man who invests his own multiples of millions in offshore tax havens whilst increasing taxes on the working population. That’s your guy.

    The petty partisan politics saw the LNP refuse to back former PM Rudd’s bid for the UN Sec Gen even though Rudd is immensely popular with the Chinese and an experienced diplomat, he even speaks Chinese.

    The empty-headed clothing mannequin flinty Julie Bishop cancelled an $850 million deal to supply dairy products to Russia based on zero evidence of Russian complicity in the downing of MH17, still! The trade was promptly snapped up by close friends New Zealand.

    Probing the right of passage in the South China Sea makes no sense given that China is Australia’s number one trading partner, is allowed to even buy port facilities and farmland in Australia and is unlikely to deny access to Australian shipping. Why wouldn’t they want to protect their shipping lanes? Doesn’t the US do that?

    Seriously Wiz, have you considered getting a checkup from the neck up?

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    I'll take a little more notice of your requests for answers when I learn that, despite appearances you are scrupulous about getting your facts right.

    1. What is your evidence that Turnbull is using tax havens to avoid tax? My recollection is that he prudently handed management of hos portfolio, on the income of which he pays tax to offshore managers to minomise appearances of conflict of interest, and the reality. Of course many fund managers operate out of low tax polities but that doesn't automatically affect their clients' tax liabilities. You expoose yourself as knowing about as much of investing and managing money as the average Green politics teacher.

    2. As for Rudd being popular in China!!! Have you had a complete memory blackout about all the Wikileaks disclosures. They like him about as much as his Labor colleagues who only intermittently stopped loathig him when he won them votes. And do you think Malcolm Turnbull should have nominated a candidate who couldn't possibly win when his own party collesgues vigorous denigrations of him were widely circulated or just found by casual Googling. Mind you, he was urbane and pleasant in my one meeting with him but that, as Ĺabor MPs knew wasn't the essential Kevin.

  57. @Kiza
    I live in Australia. To gain a reference point, I have turned on the TV and visited a few printed media web sites. I never do this because MSM in Australia are just as pro-regime bad as in the US and the rest of the Anglo world. Here is a brief report.

    The most important piece of news is that the Reserve Bank of Australia has dropped the interest rates down to the lowest level in history. In other words, the Australian economy is in deep, deep, deep hole, although the MSM do not explain the drop. This official interest rate is the only reliable number because all other "measurements" are simply lies: growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc. The escaping Chinese money has been pumping up the Sydney real-estate market to unprecedented heights (just like in Canada, Washington state and California) and this is the only growth that this country will see for a while.

    After the drop in interest rates, the second most important "news" is absolutely relentless bashing of candidate Trump. It is a mono-diet of US-regime produced pieces (ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS) and a few locally produced anti-Trump pieces. Even the ticker tape at the bottom of TV screen keeps repeating the anti-Trump "news". The printed media are exactly the same. In the main national newspaper today, I counted three Trump-bashing pieces, but the comments to these articles are even worse than the articles: they smell strongly of being written by the professionals. My non-negative comments about Trump was not accepted, of course. My friends say that MSM Trump bashing is regular and unavoidable.

    Today's MSM watching experiment left me wondering: what are all these MSM cockroaches and the regime behind them so afraid of to be so persistently and proactively anti-Trump? The only similar boiling temperature propaganda was the anti-Putin propaganda during the US coup in Ukraine. It is clear that there is no theoretical possibility of a truthful Presidential election in the US. If they cannot brainwash enough, then they will start stealing. I believe that the US regime will push Hillary through to POTUS, but Trump will be the cockroach expozer - there will be far fewer naive people after this "election".

    I’d love to see a copy-cat of this here in DC. Note the $$$bucks in her thong.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/asia/australia-clinton-mural-artist-burqa/

    Melbourne graffiti artist sprays burqa over provocative Hillary Clinton mural

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    Dear Robin, a good proof that many Australians are not as dumb as their regime and MSM take them for, plus a wonderful laugh. There will be more and more anti-regime artistic action, I am sure.

    I actually call what is going on now "desperate brainwashing" because among the intelligent it creates resistance instead of compliance.
  58. @Wizard of Oz
    OK on the interest one might have in what other countries are saying about Trump but it is silly to suggest you have done so after your vain I-never-bother-with-the-MSN-but-held-my-nose-and-did-so-once-for-y'all riff. Very big of you Squire as your unimpressed worldwide readership might think.

    And you say nothing to justify your use of the Internet nutter's favourite "lies" save to make the vague and grandiose assertion that a recent "labor growth figure was a laugh of the World [sic- your Cap]". Ah, so I shall find it in the FT, WSJ, Correre della Sera, Naked News...??? And was it corrected/adjusted the following month like a lot of ABD statistics?

    As you don't resort to MSM where do you learn that Australia is "confronting China in the South China Sea"? Not a source apparently that allows you to know that Australia has merely - so far - noted that the international panel of judges exercising a jurisdiction that China signed up for by treaty has supported the Philippines case that China cannot turn rocks within the Philippines 200 mile economic zone into Chinese Islands which give it rights over the surrounding sea and seabed. Of course you could be frightened by the Global Times rants (the Global Times is a bit like Times owner News Limited's Sun in relation to The People's Daily which doesn't tend to engage in bullying bombast) which no self-respecting country would allow to intimidate - or provoke - them. And what has China's once great coal and iron ore purchases got to do with that? You assert or imply a connection.

    Instead of pontificating grandly from your armchair like a prentice Colonel Blimp (though admittedly not a patriotic blowhard) why not argue, with precise reasons, why Australia should or should not be intimidated out of exercising right of lawful passage through international waters in the South China Sea where Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Bruneiamd Vietnam would all support it in doing so? Do you see any sign of less Chinese money flooding into Australia for coal, iron ore, real estate including primary production, education and tourism?

    As to debt you fail to make the important distinction (though both matter) between publuc and private sector debt. As anyone interested would find for themselves it is private sector debt which is historically high in Australia. Unprecedentedly low interest rates make it a no brainer if you are not an elderly individual and can get a long enough fixed rate loan that you should borrow to invest in a country with a high rate of good quality population growth and no real prospect of serious deflation. As I said, Australia has a lot of firepower left to fund infrastructure now that we have a PM who is not irrationally debt phobic as long as the Senate doesn't continue to be destructive which it probably won't be on the expenditure side though its help in curbing outrageous union inflated building costs is not guaramteed.

    Writing about infrastructure, your “non-debt phobic PM” (a former director of Goldman Sucks Australia and the biggest crook amongst politicians I have ever seen) has already totally stuffed up the National Broadband Network, what else remains to be stuffed up now? Roads, railways, ports?

    As would be expected, you have no idea what the private or public debt is, you just babble on. Together with Canadians, the Australians are the second highest private debt junkies in the World. When not spending beyond their means, their “investment” is in the mentioned speculative real-estate bubble.

    I finish my final post in our OT “debate” about a f’ed up country worrying about Trump being elected with a link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/d-day-australias-real-estate-bubble

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    I think projection is the fancy term for the pot caling the kettle black. In your case aren't you afraid that some of the sane commenters on UR might notice your self-exposed condition?

    (You are obviously depressed. It drips from every weary phrase. And I should feel generously sorry as I have had a successful business trip to the subcontinent and sm now enjoying a tropical holiday with lots of gorgeous people around, and great seafood).

    8For example I point out that it is important to notice that Australia's high private debt is where the excesses are to be found (I paraphrase) and not the public debt. And that leads you to burble in the most general windy way that it supports your view that I know nothing about debt! No more than that. You really must get yourself out of bed and have a shower.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks for the reference to the ZeroHedge piece which has counteracted my scepticism about ZH from earlier reading to the point of leading me to read the related February piece on the housing bubble. Even so there is a lot missing in relevant figures including population growth and potential housing demand. And nothing is said about possible government and market responses. Australia mightn't house more bright ideas than the US but it wouldn't be politically hamstrung into neglecting mortgagees in favour only of bank liquidity.

    And suppose an important segment of the housing market like Melbourne and Sydney high rise apartments tanked with a few distress sales at 75 per cent of last year's purchase price. I would agree that the potential effect on bank profits and dividends in the Australian context would be the big concern and potentially mean that the self funded retired would be spending less - but especially on foreign holidays. But one has to factor in the very different consequences for the Australian currency in such circumstances compared with the $US. If the $AUS plunged from 76 cents to 60 cents then Singapore and Hong Kong money - if not newly restricted investment from China - would be bound to go for bargains in the real estate market regardless of whether governments decided to pick up cheap student accommodation.
    Add a 20 per cent price decline to the currency advantage and a $500,000 apartment is picked up for $315,000 effectually. And the banks aren't too fussed because a 20 per cent cut in the value of their security in the currency in which they deal is msnageable. The cost of imports ensures there is the level of inflation (as CPI change anyway) that the Reserve Bank likes so interest rates fon't have to be cut further.

    Now back to your wild accusations against Turnbull. Evidence please if you are calling him a crook at all, let alone a superlative one in your memory and perception. The worst I have heard is from a lawyer friend and early Internet buccaneer who sold his website and email business to MT's and Trevor Kennedy's Ozemail when, not then having met Malcolm Turnbull, I asked what he was like to do business with. The sardonic joking reply was "well I counted my fingers after shaking hands". Evidence? No.

    As for stuffing up the NBN. What's your case?

    Don't you remember that Rudd promised a <$5 billion scheme at the 2007 election and then, being accused of failure and not knowing what he was doing, had his Minister of Communications Stephen Conroy join him on the flight he was making to Brisbane and, in less than hour, they came out with an arbitrarily and grossly erroneous estimated cost of $43 (or 42) billion for a nationwide Fibre-to-the-Premises rollout by a new government body which sent every tech head who'd never even considered budgeting or the cost-benefit (let alone the time value of money) into orgasmic celebration and endless breathless blogging. Despite rollouts in some country electorates promised as bribes for votes to their independent members the NBN was so far behind schedule and over cost by the time Labor lost office that it might as well never have begun. Please note if you live in a compact country with compact cities that comparisons sometimes made between South Korea's gee whiz fibre network and what is appropriate for efficient and economically justified speeding up of the internet in Australia are ludicrously irrelevant to reality. Anyone who wants much faster than copper wire ADSL2+ speeds in Australia can get them with only a little ingenuity.
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    The strength n the weakness of any point here is same, money. Supply n demand. That’s answer of the big puzzle.
    So if they think can buy USA with money, they completely pretty nice wrong.
    Bet u full stop

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  60. @Rurik

    "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence
     
    as soon as he signed over that power to control our money over to these Jewish banksters, we've had nothing but world wars until Israel founded on the smoking ashes of Europe and Russia- with untold tens of millions slaughtered and the Palestinian people butchered in their villages.

    if it were a handful of Arabs that owned and controlled the Federal Reserve Bank, then there'd be no sunlight between the US government and the Muslim, Arab world

    if it were a handful of Mexicans that owned and controlled the Federal Reserve Bank, then we'd all watch our government bray its eternal fealty to Mexico

    as long as these international Jewish banksters can hit some keys on their computer keyboard, and create a few trillion dollars out of thin air to pass around, our politicians will eat the shit right out of their ***

    money = power

    and the Fed = unlimited money

    therefor ownership of the Fed = absolute power

    if the planet is ever to be free, then it will only come from an agent who doesn't need their money in order to wield power. A nationalist like Putin, or a populist like Trump.

    We don't know what Trump will do, be we all do know what the war sow hag will do; more war for Israel. Total war for Israel

    Rurik,

    It seems like its a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.

    Obviously, passing a law requiring the Federal Government to balance the books each year would eliminate the need for our country to have a federal reserve.

    If our government cannot OVERSPEND what it takes in ( in taxes) then there would be no need to borrow money from anyone.

    For example: If the Federal government generates 3.8 trillion in revenues(taxes) and spends 3.8 trillion in running the country….the books are balanced…there is no debt created and no need to borrow money.

    This is the way the country should be run….period.

    But the point of the US having a lending facility such as the federal reserve,is to allow us for the possibility we might need to spend more in a given year than we take in.

    This kind of overspending is sometimes justified as in the event of a natural disaster or a foreign invasion.

    So having a federal reserve banking system is not all bad.

    But I think you have to understand that our federal reserve bank does not just “create money out of thin air”,…..it borrows that money from our future.

    Whatever dollars we “print” to pay for our overspending ,today, gets rolled into the national debt.

    Step back for a minute and imagine a scenario where the entire eastern seaboard is battered by a mega tsunami , there are thousands of lives lost, millions of homes and buildings destroyed and the amount of damage runs in the 100′s of billions of dollars.

    the federal government might need to step in and help out , right?

    But what if it can’t because its already spent every penny its taken in in taxes to pay its expenses and it cannot run a deficit to borrow the money ?

    Is this a good thing ?

    For arguments sake, lets say it isn’t.

    So that fiscal year our government takes in 3.8 trillion, but now has to spend an extra 200 billion in emergency assistance to help rebuild the eastern seaboard.

    Where do we find the money ? we borrow it, from our future tax rolls …..and the federal reserve facilitates that lending . We have just added 200 billion to our national debt.

    However, it still has to be paid for, Rurik, but rather than hit the citizens with an 8% tax increase the following year….we can disperse the brunt of the 200 billion expense over a ten or twenty year period and run an extra deficit in the process.

    The federal reserve is the tool we use to facilitate the process.

    This is not evil ,Rurik, its actually okay.

    But the Neocon way of doing business, defrauding the american taxpayer out of trillions in future revenues to lie us into wars of aggression today,is an absolute abomination.

    Its the most furious and sustained assault against our country and our way of life,we can imagine.

    They are a 21 trillion national debt train wreck.

    It should be stopped right away….but unfortunately, it looks like its just going to get a lot worse.

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    So having a federal reserve banking system is not all bad.

    But I think you have to understand that our federal reserve bank does not just “create money out of thin air”,…..it borrows that money from our future.
     
    it, Alexander, is a consortium of private bankers that loans that money to our government and then charges interest on the money that yes, they create out of thin air.

    if we need money for some catastrophe, we can simply have the Treasury print it

    we don't need some Jewish bankers to loan it to us. This is a recipe for slavery, and indeed, eternal debt slavery because the money loaned out will never be enough to pay it back, plus interest

    we did it right for the first hundred years of the republic, when for that first hundred years the value of our money didn't change

    then when we handed over control of our money to the world's greediest men, suddenly we're involved in world wars all over the place and our money today is worth about two pennies of what it was when the Fed was created.

    it's a royal scam and it's empowering the worst psychopaths on the planet who're looting this country dry and using their power of the printing press to buy our politicians and foist endless war (for Israel)
  61. @Priss Factor
    Right, both parties suck up to Jews.

    But Trump is obviously the better choice.

    US is really messed up crazy.

    Consider all the nuttiness this spring and summer.

    Democrat thugs mess up Trump rallies and physically attack Americans. A rally in Chicago was even shut down due to thuggery.
    Media see no problem.

    Muslim crazies carry out all sorts of attacks in the West.

    Many Muslims have been uprooted by Wars for Israel pushed by Neocons, Cucks, and Democrats like Obama/Hillary. That's why there is a 'refugee crisis'.

    Obama and Hillary push for open borders and amnesty for illegals. Millions of them. No rule of law.

    BLM is a crazy movement, but it has blessing of Democrats. Cops got gunned down in bunch of cities.

    Obama's SC appointees have no use for Constitution and make up stuff as they go along. Like 'gay marriage'.

    Colleges are overrun with PC lunacy and nutty hoaxes.

    Journalism is in total LIE mode, what with stuff like UVA hysteria. And most Americans say they don't trust media.

    Black crime is way up due to Ferguson effect.

    Blacks burned down Baltimore.

    Obama is gonna send dangerous city blacks to suburbs and small towns.

    Cold War was over long ago, and we can have peace, but Hillary wants new cold war at behest of globalist Jews who date-raped Russia in the 90s and instigated crazy coup in Ukraine.

    Hillary and Obama's actions in Libya and Syria are war crimes. They destroyed a nation and then aided alqaeda terrorists in the other and created chaos that led to ISIS.

    US actions have led to total invasion of EU by 'refugees' and 'migrants'.

    In all this, Hillary calls for more reckless globalism while Trump calls for security and nationalism.

    But Hillary still leads.

    But then,this is a nation where majority have been won over to 'gay marriage', which is now a religious cult that is now even entering into churches as a matter of 'pride'.
    This is a nation where Americans think 25% of the population is homo.
    This is a nation where full grown adults get tattoos and their kids follow, to top it with piercing.

    It's like PROGLOB -- progo-glob0-ism -- is the default position of the US due to yrs and yrs of the 2PC's: Political Correctness and Pop Culture, both dominated by progs, Jews, homos, blacks, and skanks. (Sadly, even the success of Trump owes to the sheer celebrity-ization of culture. Look at Justin Trudeau and the new pope or poop. They are celebrity queens.)

    So, Trump's star rises only in times of shock. When there is an attack on police or a terrorist attack. But as the story fades --- with media spinning it toward more celeb trivia and globalist propaganda ---, it's like the reset button is pushed and we are back to default position of supporting the PROGLOB.

    So, the norm is pro-Hillary, and shock is pro-Trump. So, if norm prevails, Hillary wins, and if shock jolts and jolts, Trump may win.

    But what a crazy world. Hillary is pushing a mad agenda of globalism, but that is seen as the NORM.

    But if 'gay marriage' is real marriage and if illegals are 'undocumented immigrants'(what this country is all about), I guess we live in a world of the New Normal.

    PS. Where Trump really did fail is in his needless overstatements. Such style was fun on TV show like the Apprentice. And it was even tolerated when Trump was attacking other Republicans. But when he's up against Hillary, the darling of the GLOB, his style will be attacked and denounced for being 'extreme'.
    And I must say he was too extreme in some areas, and needlessly so.

    He could have owned the terrorism and Muslim threat issue WITHOUT calling for total ban on Muslims.

    He could have dealt strongly with issue of illegal immigration without being so nasty about Mexicans. He could have worded things more carefully. Mexers have huge chip on their shoulders, a real inferiority complex vis-a-vis gringos or gabachos. Consider how Mexers acted when Greg Haugen made a joke about Julio Caesar Chavez.

    Coulter only need to sell books. To win elections, you have to either win over the other side or not antagonize them too much. Trump went too far in some areas.
    He also went too hard against Cruz, which is why Cruz couldn't endorse Trump.

    Trump needs to find a way to be firm and strong without sounding over-the-top and hysterical, esp as the media will spin everything he says and does as 'extreme'.

    trump was so successful because he did what you are telling him not to do. his style got him here and if he changes it like you want he will lose a lot of votes

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    It worked among patriots and conservatives.

    Now, he has to win over Independents and some Democrats.

    Reagan won with Reagan-Democrats.

    Trump needs Trump Democrats.

    Carter lost because he was seen as weak in the cold war.

    Dukakis lost because he was seen as weak in the crime war.

    One thing about Hillary is she projects strength by her new cold war talk. Libs don't seem to mind.
  62. @NoseytheDuke
    The Labor government didn't really squander the "surplus" at all. The Howard government created a structural deficit so the surplus that you mention was temporary and thus illusory and only obtained in the first place by selling Australia's gold bullion at record low prices, around $350 or thereabouts and by selling off the telecommunications infrastructure thus preventing Australians from having the best of the one technology that ends the tyranny of distance and would have enabled Australia to better diversify its economy. Who offloads gold bullion at record low prices? The party Wiz favours, that's who.

    I'm not a Labor voter (nor LNP) but Labor's rapid disbursement of funds to stimulate the economy prevented the real estate crash that saw prices in parts of the US and UK fall by 40% and more hitting working people and families the hardest. Since regaining power, your party has doubled the deficit with nothing to show for it.

    I keep waiting for you to get something right, at least once.

    I conxede an elision that you are well informed enough to notice. The tax cuts and other giveaways that Howard gave and Labor promised to keep were going to require some bracing restraint to maintain the surpluses after the prices of iron ore and coal crashed but the fact is that Rudd and Swan, with Turnbull’s support, followed Ken Henry’s stock standard Treasury advice to “go early, go hard, go households” and to prop up the banks’ borrowing power, when Lehman went under in September 2008. That was for $8 billion, peanuts, and it worked reasonably efficiently. Then the squandering really started (not saved surplus funds but borrowed money). $42 billion was promised and, ultimately, completely unnecessarily spent on school halls that economically produced only ongoing costs and on the disastrous and deadly pink batt program designed to appeal to climate change catastrophists (just as the school halls were, in the absence of defensible infrastructure plans, at least appealing to a couple of Labor constituencies). But not only did Labor have no shovel ready worthwhile plans they had no plan to stop the money wasting stimulus when it became apparent by mid 2009 that China was saving Australia’s bacon and there would be no recession.

    There was never a threat to Australian house prices pace Steve Keen because of several factors such as Australia’s major urban concentrations, high immigration and a housing shortage.

    Equally from memory I dont think the selling of gold bullion was either large scale or recent. It was in the late 90s I think when Gordon Brown really did hit the bottom of the market with UK gold sales but I wonder whether you are serious. Do you really think it better to pay the cost (even after some fees for lending to shortsellers) of holding it rather than earn interest on US Treasuries atonce healthy rates of interest? As for Telstra! I had occasion to address a lot of their middling to senior managers and engineers in the early 90s and decent not stupid people though they were it was clear that only fantasists would have maintained the state monopoly in the hope they would do something marvellous with it. Having closely followed Telstra and the NBN (with side glances to Optus, iinet, Primus et al( for over 20 years I am glad you eeren’t managing money for me – or I hope tsxayers’ money.

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  63. @Wizard of Oz
    I don't know why that might interest UR readers but in case it does I suggest that those interested check what is reported for themselves.

    I have been on the subcontinent for some weeks but not confining myself in disdain to a brief sampling of Australia's MSM.

    On a couple of selected matters I differ from Kiza.

    There was a broadside against it the day before the Reserve Bank cut the interest rate by Alan Kohler, a former broadsheet editor and perhaps Australia's leading economic commentator. Immediately afterwards there was no lack of explanation in terms of getting inflation off the floor and countering the likely upwards effect of poor US GDP figures on the Australian dollar's exchange rate with the US dollar. It has nothing to do with the economy being in a deep hole which is a considerable exaggeration despite the great Chinese commodity boom being unlikely to revive (or be replaced soon by India). Despite the 2007-2013 Labor governments having squandered the surplus they inherited on debt financed trivia Australia still has relatively great firepower in reserve, though a 1.75 per cent official bank rate is almost heading into the QE territory which Australia has avoided. The Turnbull government and some of the states seem to be about to spend up on infrastructure in the low interest rate, slowing growth, economy. Long oveedue of course but still ahead of the rabid Republican obstructionists in the US.

    As to all those "lies" there is something wrong with the head of someone who uses that word in reference to "growth, employment, inflation/deflation etc."

    There are sometimes corrections in later months, there are imperfect methods of estimation or sampling and there are inherently problems in achieving precise accuracy (even if it mattered) in what Kiza seems to think are statistics claimed (by some unnamed bureaucrat??) as measurements as if with a tape measure. But the notion inplied by the word "lies" of a mens rea which is a motive for systematic deception is plain barmy. I don't think recent Australian governments have even been up to the short term trick of changing definitions of unemployment. And you can't get much mileage out of pushing the Bureau of Statistics to change its baskets of goods to fiddle inflation figures when there is virtually no inflation and the changes could easily rebound on you next quarter.

    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed. Ron Unz makes the most cogent objections to MSM but does so after reading the leading newspapers closely for hours. Kiza it seems, if he is not evolving his views and impressions of reality from the workings of his own brain, must be stewing unhealthily and almost exclusively on the www. Not a good way or place to be.

    (In fairness I recall being told by a famous judge who was born in the 1880s that, while at the Bar and still living at home with his retired lawyer father he went a year without reading newspapers - the Law Lists excepted perhaps - and that he was just as well informed about the important affairs of the day as any of his peers. No doubt he cross-examined his father and everyone else about the news).

    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed.

    I thought the same thing when I read your comment on the genocide of Gypsies vis-a-vis Jews.

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    Remind me where. I take it that you are referring to some moral premises that you infer from what I said. I wouldn"t like to think I used loose language so please help me find it.
  64. @NoseytheDuke
    Australians thrice elected the Lying Rodent Howard who took the nation to war against nations and peoples who had done it no harm nor were ever likely to therefore it is only right and just that the people of Australia suffer loss of wealth and liberty. This is happening. Sun Tsu warned that war can be the death of a nation. The same holds true for the British and American people.

    Were these righteous nations Bush, Blair and Howard would be arrested and hanged in the manner Saddam Hussain was, yet they roam free as privileged pillars of society.

    Australians recently re-elected the same political party who lied their way into power at the previous election too. Stupid is as stupid does. Australians deserve good sports and recreation since that's what they care most about, they certainly don't deserve good government.

    I wish it were not so but how could it be any other way?

    You sound like the ghost of Malcolm Fraser in your execration of Howard and his wars! But Howard was only a hanger on which has been Australia’s gesture to prudence, reality and low defence spending for 70 -75 years. I don’t agree with Howard’s justification of Bush but from an Australian point of view you have to take note of one remarkable fact. Despite the prominent part and major responsibilities accorded by the US command to Australians like General Jim Molan only one Australian serviceman was killed in Iraq (yes ONE) and he shot himself accidentally in his own quarters.

    How widely and consistently btw do you extend your rule that all the people of a country may justly be made to suffer if whatever counts as the necessary plurality in their constitutional setup votes in a government which hurts other people when it stuffs up. Which Russians deserve no mercy from the Chechens? Etc and many etcs.

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  65. @NoseytheDuke
    Australia's PM Turnbull is just an empty egotist who cannot even control his own party. Imagine a nation having as its leader a man who invests his own multiples of millions in offshore tax havens whilst increasing taxes on the working population. That's your guy.

    The petty partisan politics saw the LNP refuse to back former PM Rudd's bid for the UN Sec Gen even though Rudd is immensely popular with the Chinese and an experienced diplomat, he even speaks Chinese.

    The empty-headed clothing mannequin flinty Julie Bishop cancelled an $850 million deal to supply dairy products to Russia based on zero evidence of Russian complicity in the downing of MH17, still! The trade was promptly snapped up by close friends New Zealand.

    Probing the right of passage in the South China Sea makes no sense given that China is Australia's number one trading partner, is allowed to even buy port facilities and farmland in Australia and is unlikely to deny access to Australian shipping. Why wouldn't they want to protect their shipping lanes? Doesn't the US do that?

    Seriously Wiz, have you considered getting a checkup from the neck up?

    I’ll take a little more notice of your requests for answers when I learn that, despite appearances you are scrupulous about getting your facts right.

    1. What is your evidence that Turnbull is using tax havens to avoid tax? My recollection is that he prudently handed management of hos portfolio, on the income of which he pays tax to offshore managers to minomise appearances of conflict of interest, and the reality. Of course many fund managers operate out of low tax polities but that doesn’t automatically affect their clients’ tax liabilities. You expoose yourself as knowing about as much of investing and managing money as the average Green politics teacher.

    2. As for Rudd being popular in China!!! Have you had a complete memory blackout about all the Wikileaks disclosures. They like him about as much as his Labor colleagues who only intermittently stopped loathig him when he won them votes. And do you think Malcolm Turnbull should have nominated a candidate who couldn’t possibly win when his own party collesgues vigorous denigrations of him were widely circulated or just found by casual Googling. Mind you, he was urbane and pleasant in my one meeting with him but that, as Ĺabor MPs knew wasn’t the essential Kevin.

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  66. @NoseytheDuke
    The Labor government didn't really squander the "surplus" at all. The Howard government created a structural deficit so the surplus that you mention was temporary and thus illusory and only obtained in the first place by selling Australia's gold bullion at record low prices, around $350 or thereabouts and by selling off the telecommunications infrastructure thus preventing Australians from having the best of the one technology that ends the tyranny of distance and would have enabled Australia to better diversify its economy. Who offloads gold bullion at record low prices? The party Wiz favours, that's who.

    I'm not a Labor voter (nor LNP) but Labor's rapid disbursement of funds to stimulate the economy prevented the real estate crash that saw prices in parts of the US and UK fall by 40% and more hitting working people and families the hardest. Since regaining power, your party has doubled the deficit with nothing to show for it.

    I keep waiting for you to get something right, at least once.

    [selling Australia’s gold bullion at record low prices, around $350 or thereabouts]

    I thought only Gordon “Sell Low, Buy High” Brown did things like that.

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    Johny "The Rat" Howard is most famos for his lie that Boat People were throwing their children into the sea, which the Australian shameless MSM ran with as God given truth, spiced up with a few ambiguous photos of boat people in water. Most Australians believed this ruthless lie, which was the last straw which appears to have won him a re-election.

    I am against wars of choice, but I am also against illegal immigration that they cause. Definitely not a Labor Party ("opposition") voter. But I did not believe this lie for a moment.

    Simply, both major parties in Australia are crooks competing for primacy.
  67. @Kiza
    Writing about infrastructure, your "non-debt phobic PM" (a former director of Goldman Sucks Australia and the biggest crook amongst politicians I have ever seen) has already totally stuffed up the National Broadband Network, what else remains to be stuffed up now? Roads, railways, ports?

    As would be expected, you have no idea what the private or public debt is, you just babble on. Together with Canadians, the Australians are the second highest private debt junkies in the World. When not spending beyond their means, their "investment" is in the mentioned speculative real-estate bubble.

    I finish my final post in our OT "debate" about a f'ed up country worrying about Trump being elected with a link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/d-day-australias-real-estate-bubble

    I think projection is the fancy term for the pot caling the kettle black. In your case aren’t you afraid that some of the sane commenters on UR might notice your self-exposed condition?

    (You are obviously depressed. It drips from every weary phrase. And I should feel generously sorry as I have had a successful business trip to the subcontinent and sm now enjoying a tropical holiday with lots of gorgeous people around, and great seafood).

    8For example I point out that it is important to notice that Australia’s high private debt is where the excesses are to be found (I paraphrase) and not the public debt. And that leads you to burble in the most general windy way that it supports your view that I know nothing about debt! No more than that. You really must get yourself out of bed and have a shower.

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  68. @iffen
    There is something worrying about the state of mind disclosed.

    I thought the same thing when I read your comment on the genocide of Gypsies vis-a-vis Jews.

    Remind me where. I take it that you are referring to some moral premises that you infer from what I said. I wouldn”t like to think I used loose language so please help me find it.

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    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.
  69. @Wizard of Oz
    Remind me where. I take it that you are referring to some moral premises that you infer from what I said. I wouldn"t like to think I used loose language so please help me find it.

    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.

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    Second that they [Gypsies] were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.
     
    iffen, the ghost of Sam Untermyer -- In a radio address in August 1933 (the date is important), Untermyer said:

    When the tale is told, as it will be some day if the impotent League of Nations ever sufficiently awakens from its Rip Van Winkle slumbers to the realization of its power and duty to prosecute an investigation into the facts, the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people -- a people who love and have shed their blood for their Fatherland, and to whom Germany owes in large part its prosperity and its great scientists, educators, lawyers, physicians, poets, musicians, diplomats and philosophers, who are the backbone of its past cultural life.

    Back to Dark Ages

    But why dwell longer upon this revolting picture of the ravages wrought by these ingrates and beasts of prey, animated by the loathsome motives of race hatred, bigotry and envy. For the Jews are the aristocrats of the world.
     
    Several problems with Untermyer's assertions:

    I. From Jacob Raisin's History of the Haskalah Movement in Russia we can learn that in the mid- to late-1800s, as Russian Jews became "enlightened" -- attuned to the (and permitted to) pursue secular education, they flocked to German and Austrian universities to quench their pent-up thirst for scholarship.

    The next question becomes, who created those institutions of higher learning that Russian Jews took advantage of?

    Here's wikipedia's list of Germany's universities:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Germany


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Heidelberg_University

    Heidelberg U, was founded 1386 with support of Pope Urban VI. It was modeled on the University of Paris, which itself was "Chartered in 1200 by King Philip II (Philippe-Auguste) of France and recognised in 1215 by Pope Innocent III."

    U of Leipzig was founded consequent to a decree of Pope Alexander V. It was modeled on the university at Prague, which was founded by Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV and his friend, Pope Clement VI.

    The University of Rostock "was founded in 1419 by confirmation of Pope Martin V and thus is the oldest university in Northern Europe."

    That's the three oldest universities in Germany; it doesn't take much effort to research the origins of Germany's other universities where, Raisin tells us, Russian Jews flocked to take advantage of educational opportunities
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You still haven't told me where I can find my full context to see exactly what I was probably assuming and thinking (using one thumb on a smartphone is bad for speed as well as spelling) but I presume that I had affirmed something about it being the Holocaust of Jews being the greatest crime against German civilisation and culture. I may have had at the back of my mind a Spectator article of about 26 years ago which said "Hitler wasn't a nationalist: he was a racist" because he destroyed the educated Jewish bearers of German/Western-modern culture throughout Eastern Europe. I suppose that only adds intellectual derangement to the primitive pre-Christian tribalism savagery of the Nazis.... But I have no doubt that Ashkenazi Jews were a resource for the betterment of our lot to be treasured by Westerners (especially after the creators of modernity stopped having large families) in a way that wasn't applicable to gypsies or peasant Slav soldiers for that matter. I am astonished that you do not seem to have taken notice of the abundant proofs of significantly higher than German or English or Fench or Dutch average IQ amongst Ashkenazim (and probably many true ex-Iberian Sephardim) AND that this has been important for the furthering of what started in NW Europe, especially Britain south of Aberdeen, about 500 years ago. While I have enjoyed a Stefan Grapelli jazz violin concert enormously (as I did an Oscar Peterson jazz piano concert in Charleston) I couldn't pretend that such phenomena made the contributions of gypsies of African-Americans to civilisation and culture even remotely comparable to that of Jews.

    There are of course fascinating by-ways to traverse (which I understand could give some who don't share my particular mental data base and preconceptions a sense of moral blindness to the truly important - though they may in fact be taken as obvious givens). For example Paul Johnson's** marvellous History of the Jews notes how disdainful established German Jews were about the highly visible Ost Juden flocking into the Hapsburg and Hohenstaufen domains. (And that reminds me of the disdain expressed for the long black coat of a distinguished Jewish barrister, educated in non-Jewish institutions before the post WW2 creation of them, who later became a superior court judge, by an equally distinguished scholar and lawyer whose poor mother was Jewish. I think the latter was expressing objection to the idea of the former becoming a member of the old Anglo gentleman's club to which he himself had belonged for many years - and which, contrary to popular media and Jewish community myth actually had some real Jewish members - though I do remember going to the Anglican funeral of one of them!).

    One of the by-ways emerges from the Jews of Eastern Europe outbreeding (their welcome and) the availability of jobs and business opportunities which had presumably till about 1650 contributed to their being selected for whatever IQ measures. Many of the Jewish inmigrants to the US from about the 1870s to 1925 were illiterate though no doubt respectful of book learning in a way not true of gypsies or any but by and large Protestant Christians. Their children and grandchildren, even if they could only get into City College of NY, became distinguished scientists to the point where the 2 per cent of Americans who are Jews have won 25 per cent of the Nobel Prizes.

    And so on.... More to say below.

    **PJ, né Cassidy, is staunchly Catholic.
  70. @KenH
    I really wanna believe that Trump will chart a new course, but he's surrounded by Jews and when Jews have influence that means America and Americans (especially white Americans) will NOT come first. The author of Trump's convention speech, Stephen Miller, is Jewish so it's no surprise that Israel was mentioned so many times. It's also no surprise that the welfare of blacks and Latinos was mentioned but not one word about the trials and tribulations of white people in Hussein Obama's America.

    Part of me fears Trump will become Dubya 2.0. GW Bush Jr. was non-interventionist and spoke of protecting America's workers on the campaign trail and even attempted to protect America steel workers shortly after taking office. But it proved short lived and after 9/11 it was invade the world, invite the world which paved the way for Obama and the emergence of ISIS.

    If Trump manages to win in spite of all the forces arrayed against him including the possibility of election fraud, it will only take one major false flag terrorist attack to make him into a war president in service to Israel's whims and foreign policy goals.

    ” It’s also no surprise that the welfare of blacks and Latinos was mentioned but not one word about the trials and tribulations of white people in Hussein Obama’s America.”

    His shedding of tears over the Poofs was also not very encouraging. Apparently Big Buggery and their media/judicial/corporate supporters will continue to come down hard on anyone who objects to sex perversion under a Trump Administration.

    He said in his speech “I am your protector”, or words to that effect. Apparently with his slobbering over the fairies and his pushing Peter Thiel in our faces he will not be the “protector” of those who simply want to be left alone from the predations of the Homo Class.

    I’ll be delighted if I am wrong.

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    Trump's pro-poofter posturing is disappointing as his support for the continuation of affirmative action policies that favor every racial group and women at the expense of white males.
  71. @Priss Factor
    Right, both parties suck up to Jews.

    But Trump is obviously the better choice.

    US is really messed up crazy.

    Consider all the nuttiness this spring and summer.

    Democrat thugs mess up Trump rallies and physically attack Americans. A rally in Chicago was even shut down due to thuggery.
    Media see no problem.

    Muslim crazies carry out all sorts of attacks in the West.

    Many Muslims have been uprooted by Wars for Israel pushed by Neocons, Cucks, and Democrats like Obama/Hillary. That's why there is a 'refugee crisis'.

    Obama and Hillary push for open borders and amnesty for illegals. Millions of them. No rule of law.

    BLM is a crazy movement, but it has blessing of Democrats. Cops got gunned down in bunch of cities.

    Obama's SC appointees have no use for Constitution and make up stuff as they go along. Like 'gay marriage'.

    Colleges are overrun with PC lunacy and nutty hoaxes.

    Journalism is in total LIE mode, what with stuff like UVA hysteria. And most Americans say they don't trust media.

    Black crime is way up due to Ferguson effect.

    Blacks burned down Baltimore.

    Obama is gonna send dangerous city blacks to suburbs and small towns.

    Cold War was over long ago, and we can have peace, but Hillary wants new cold war at behest of globalist Jews who date-raped Russia in the 90s and instigated crazy coup in Ukraine.

    Hillary and Obama's actions in Libya and Syria are war crimes. They destroyed a nation and then aided alqaeda terrorists in the other and created chaos that led to ISIS.

    US actions have led to total invasion of EU by 'refugees' and 'migrants'.

    In all this, Hillary calls for more reckless globalism while Trump calls for security and nationalism.

    But Hillary still leads.

    But then,this is a nation where majority have been won over to 'gay marriage', which is now a religious cult that is now even entering into churches as a matter of 'pride'.
    This is a nation where Americans think 25% of the population is homo.
    This is a nation where full grown adults get tattoos and their kids follow, to top it with piercing.

    It's like PROGLOB -- progo-glob0-ism -- is the default position of the US due to yrs and yrs of the 2PC's: Political Correctness and Pop Culture, both dominated by progs, Jews, homos, blacks, and skanks. (Sadly, even the success of Trump owes to the sheer celebrity-ization of culture. Look at Justin Trudeau and the new pope or poop. They are celebrity queens.)

    So, Trump's star rises only in times of shock. When there is an attack on police or a terrorist attack. But as the story fades --- with media spinning it toward more celeb trivia and globalist propaganda ---, it's like the reset button is pushed and we are back to default position of supporting the PROGLOB.

    So, the norm is pro-Hillary, and shock is pro-Trump. So, if norm prevails, Hillary wins, and if shock jolts and jolts, Trump may win.

    But what a crazy world. Hillary is pushing a mad agenda of globalism, but that is seen as the NORM.

    But if 'gay marriage' is real marriage and if illegals are 'undocumented immigrants'(what this country is all about), I guess we live in a world of the New Normal.

    PS. Where Trump really did fail is in his needless overstatements. Such style was fun on TV show like the Apprentice. And it was even tolerated when Trump was attacking other Republicans. But when he's up against Hillary, the darling of the GLOB, his style will be attacked and denounced for being 'extreme'.
    And I must say he was too extreme in some areas, and needlessly so.

    He could have owned the terrorism and Muslim threat issue WITHOUT calling for total ban on Muslims.

    He could have dealt strongly with issue of illegal immigration without being so nasty about Mexicans. He could have worded things more carefully. Mexers have huge chip on their shoulders, a real inferiority complex vis-a-vis gringos or gabachos. Consider how Mexers acted when Greg Haugen made a joke about Julio Caesar Chavez.

    Coulter only need to sell books. To win elections, you have to either win over the other side or not antagonize them too much. Trump went too far in some areas.
    He also went too hard against Cruz, which is why Cruz couldn't endorse Trump.

    Trump needs to find a way to be firm and strong without sounding over-the-top and hysterical, esp as the media will spin everything he says and does as 'extreme'.

    Very well observed. Trump needs to get some solid, serious and honest advisers. Fast.

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  72. @RobinG
    I'd love to see a copy-cat of this here in DC. Note the $$$bucks in her thong.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/asia/australia-clinton-mural-artist-burqa/
    Melbourne graffiti artist sprays burqa over provocative Hillary Clinton mural

    Dear Robin, a good proof that many Australians are not as dumb as their regime and MSM take them for, plus a wonderful laugh. There will be more and more anti-regime artistic action, I am sure.

    I actually call what is going on now “desperate brainwashing” because among the intelligent it creates resistance instead of compliance.

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  73. @5371
    [selling Australia’s gold bullion at record low prices, around $350 or thereabouts]

    I thought only Gordon "Sell Low, Buy High" Brown did things like that.

    Johny “The Rat” Howard is most famos for his lie that Boat People were throwing their children into the sea, which the Australian shameless MSM ran with as God given truth, spiced up with a few ambiguous photos of boat people in water. Most Australians believed this ruthless lie, which was the last straw which appears to have won him a re-election.

    I am against wars of choice, but I am also against illegal immigration that they cause. Definitely not a Labor Party (“opposition”) voter. But I did not believe this lie for a moment.

    Simply, both major parties in Australia are crooks competing for primacy.

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    Now you want to pull on the cheap shoddy guise of the tabloid journo who invents nicknames that no one uses. Or is it ignorance or memory trouble (common in the depressed)? No excuse for misinforming foreigners with (appropriately) little knowledge of Oz whatever the cause.

    John Howard was never "The Rat" but a number of his colleagues, including George Brandis, used to refer to him as The Rodent" allegedly and plausibly because of his determined gnawing away at the Labor government when in Opposition. In 2004 it was alleged that Brandis referred to PM Howard as a or the Lying Rodent. He denied it in a stat dec and Howard cited that stat dec as closing the matter. (OK I'm as sceptical as anyone: I know GB and like lots of other barristers I am sure he is wittily or snarkily indiscreet with his mates).

    The children overboard "lie" didn't start as a lie, and only became one for a time when Peter Reith, the responsible senior minister and effective hatchet man, delayed clearing up what really happened. Reith was right up to Labor standards of "ruthlessness".

    It is of course beyond silly to say that John Howard, Australia's longest serving PM, is/was most famous for this incident of the 2004 election campaign. What about the gun buyback, pushing the then Indonesian President to hold an independence referendum for East Timor and then sending troops to protect the new state, the poorly legislated WorkChoices which worked so well but cost him the 2007 election, going to war in solidarity with his new mate GWB and only losing one soldier killed (accidentally by his own hand as it happens)?
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    @mr. meener
    trump was so successful because he did what you are telling him not to do. his style got him here and if he changes it like you want he will lose a lot of votes

    It worked among patriots and conservatives.

    Now, he has to win over Independents and some Democrats.

    Reagan won with Reagan-Democrats.

    Trump needs Trump Democrats.

    Carter lost because he was seen as weak in the cold war.

    Dukakis lost because he was seen as weak in the crime war.

    One thing about Hillary is she projects strength by her new cold war talk. Libs don’t seem to mind.

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    I say trump will win a lot of sanders people and he was always leading big with independents
  75. @Wizard of Oz
    Given the proprietor's strict injunction against sock-puppetry am I right to infer from your moniker that you only go online with signed, albeit pseudonymous, comment when there is something you want to say in criticism of Jews?

    Am I right to infer from your posting profile that you are a zionazi on a hasbara mission?

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    As you seem to be a newcomer to UR and obviously haven't read much of what I have written i have to ask what precisely you mean or are referring to when you write of my "posting profile".
  76. @Priss Factor
    It worked among patriots and conservatives.

    Now, he has to win over Independents and some Democrats.

    Reagan won with Reagan-Democrats.

    Trump needs Trump Democrats.

    Carter lost because he was seen as weak in the cold war.

    Dukakis lost because he was seen as weak in the crime war.

    One thing about Hillary is she projects strength by her new cold war talk. Libs don't seem to mind.

    I say trump will win a lot of sanders people and he was always leading big with independents

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    The media are portraying Trump as 'erratic', and Trump is taking the bait.

    In his contest with GOP featherweights, the erratic stuff made for good showbiz and circus.

    But when it comes to the big prize, people want someone who seems stable and authoritative.

    Trump needs to ignore the gnats and flies. He needs to focus on the big whale. Go after Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Thar She Blows Up the World.

    He must not seem petty by fixating on gnats like Khan. Leave that up to his supporters. He should go for the big fish. Trump is in the big battle for the top prize. He carries a club. He shouldn't go after mice. A big man with a big club going after mice looks silly. A big man with big club must go for big game, big trophy.
    With a net, you catch minnows. With a harpoon, you go for whales.
    Trump is in a whale game. He must hunt buffalo, not rabbits.

    Trump needs to show that it is Hillary and the Globalists who are the real Hitlers, the real Nazis. They are the instigators of wars and mayhem around the world. Hillary and Media call Trump and Putin 'Hitler'. But who messed up Ukraine? Who messed up Iraq, Syria, and Libya? It wasn't Putin. It wasn't Trump. It was the neocons and Obama/Hillary. Most of great wars since end of Cold War had neocon or zio-lib fingerprints. And to understand Russia, Trump should say something about what the globalists did to that country in the 90s.

    Trump should also say Merkel is like Hitler. What was Hitler's great crime? Hitler violated national borders. He imposed his vision of internationalism on other nations. In Hitler's New World Order, his forces could trample into any nation and force its agenda on others. Merkel is acting the same way, though to destroy Germany. But destroying her own nation isn't enough. She is trying to force other nations to be destroyed too. She is attacking Hungary and Poland for not welcoming invasion. It is like reverse-Hitlerism. Hitler told Poland, 'you have no right to be resist German invasion'. Merkel says to Poles, 'you have no right to be resist Muslim and African invasion.'

    Trump should avoid gnats like Khan. Let his supporters dig up dirt on him.
    He should focus on Hillary, Big Money, Big Money, the collusion of Wall Street and Washington, globalist favoring of open borders and aliens over national citizens, globalism's favoritism of cities over suburbs and small towns.

    Trump should also use Lib words against Libs. After all, even NYT said Obama locked up more whistleblowers than all previous administrators combined. And even NYT admitted Obama's administration has been the least transparent. (But media went along with this because both media and state are controlled by Jews. But stuff about Jews cannot be said because we live in Ziocracy.)

    I don't think many people are voting FOR Hillary. Even her supporters must force themselves to feel excited about her. Many will vote AGAINST Trump because the media portray him as a crazy nut.

    If voters are made to see Trump as a madman, they will vote AGAINST him.

    It's like even Alt Right guys will vote for Jeb Bush if he were running against Stalin.

    Since Hillary isn't very likable or credible, the media will play on anti-Trumpiness. Obama had a certain celebrity-appeal, so the media could play up his image and persona. Such is missing in Hillary. And Sanders supporters really don't like her.

    So, the media will make Trump out to be so 'crazy' that even Sanders voters will feel they must vote for Hillary as the lesser evil against the great nutty evil that is Trump.

  77. @iffen
    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.

    Second that they [Gypsies] were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.

    iffen, the ghost of Sam Untermyer — In a radio address in August 1933 (the date is important), Untermyer said:

    When the tale is told, as it will be some day if the impotent League of Nations ever sufficiently awakens from its Rip Van Winkle slumbers to the realization of its power and duty to prosecute an investigation into the facts, the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people – a people who love and have shed their blood for their Fatherland, and to whom Germany owes in large part its prosperity and its great scientists, educators, lawyers, physicians, poets, musicians, diplomats and philosophers, who are the backbone of its past cultural life.

    Back to Dark Ages

    But why dwell longer upon this revolting picture of the ravages wrought by these ingrates and beasts of prey, animated by the loathsome motives of race hatred, bigotry and envy. For the Jews are the aristocrats of the world.

    Several problems with Untermyer’s assertions:

    I. From Jacob Raisin’s History of the Haskalah Movement in Russia we can learn that in the mid- to late-1800s, as Russian Jews became “enlightened” — attuned to the (and permitted to) pursue secular education, they flocked to German and Austrian universities to quench their pent-up thirst for scholarship.

    The next question becomes, who created those institutions of higher learning that Russian Jews took advantage of?

    Here’s wikipedia’s list of Germany’s universities:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Germany

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Heidelberg_University

    Heidelberg U, was founded 1386 with support of Pope Urban VI. It was modeled on the University of Paris, which itself was “Chartered in 1200 by King Philip II (Philippe-Auguste) of France and recognised in 1215 by Pope Innocent III.”

    U of Leipzig was founded consequent to a decree of Pope Alexander V. It was modeled on the university at Prague, which was founded by Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV and his friend, Pope Clement VI.

    The University of Rostock “was founded in 1419 by confirmation of Pope Martin V and thus is the oldest university in Northern Europe.”

    That’s the three oldest universities in Germany; it doesn’t take much effort to research the origins of Germany’s other universities where, Raisin tells us, Russian Jews flocked to take advantage of educational opportunities

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    See#84, I failed to get my reply attached to your tag.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Fascinating to be introduced to Sam Untermayer (1858-1940) of whom I had never heard - so much for the speculation by retards in these threads that I could even qualify to be hasbara!

    But you really are extraordinary narrow in you selection of premises. Amongst what seems to be some overblown choice of words by Untermayer in his should-be-famous August 1933 speech you pick on Jews being "aristocrats". (I have some recollection that the Christian Disraeli may have used the same word). Presumably he would have justified it by reference to the survival with continuity and shared descent of people who gave the Western world a large part of its cultural foundation - which, to give point by contrast, couldn't be said of Greeks as ethnic Greeks. But aristocrats *rule* so it is ridiculous to apply that to Jews as a generality since 70AD. However, whatever he meant metaphorically, it is hard to make much of his rousing rhetoric to a presumably largely Jewish audience whom he was effectually enjoining to behave like confident upper class people instead of the craven self seekers he mentioned and criticised.

    I am not sure what point of any importance you seek to make by pointing out that the old universities that helped the emancipated Jews come leaping into and beyond the Enlightenment were Christian or otherwise pre Enlightenment foundations. Is there a point?

    I am also at a loss to know why you draw attention to Untermayer's 600,000. It was, after all, a pretty well known ballpark figure for the number of Jews in Germany.

    I hope that, if I had been a highminded English or WASP Yankee student listening to Untermayer in August 1933 after only 7 months of Nazi excess I would have avoided confusion by Communists and realised that action to halt the Nazis was vital. Would I start by lamenting that the hope of civilisation lay with a wordy elderly failed drunkard of extravagant habits and hopeless money management called Winston?
  78. This is a well written article and I am going to print it out and deliver a copy of it to my Congressman today. It’s nice to know there is a small remnant who understand the Ziocon threat to the world with their never ending wars of aggression based on lie after lie after lie.

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  79. Thanks. I don’t know enough about the movement of Jewish students in this time frame to make many comments. Taking what you quote at face value, it makes sense to me that a literate people would go to the best educational institutions available if they were allowed to do so. I’m guessing that German and Austrian institutions were in a class beyond Russian ones.

    As to the other question raised by WOZ, I am not prepared to do any kind of scorecard of Jews vs. non-Jews as to cultural and scientific contributions for this time period.

    My point was that if genocide is morally wrong, how can you decide the genocide of one group is “more” wrong than another?

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    iffen, as I understand the facts, it was not Jews who were "genocided" but Germans -- and Russians.

    Can't complete the critique of Untermeyer's statement right now -- vinegar-&-oil dressing impacted keyboard; touchpad crazy.

    later
    , @Wizard of Oz
    "not prepared to" is fair enough given the moral point you are seeking to make but what if you did? Without adopting utilitarian modes of judgment (though I see no alternative in pluralistic societies if you want internal peace despite the logical difficulty inherent in "the greatest happiness of the greatest number") can you not interest yourself in the relative contributions made and to be expected from people of various different ethnicities and/or belief systems?
    , @SolontoCroesus
    iffen, this is a serious question, not one of my not-infrequent elbow pokes --

    Where do you get your information?

    I looked over your comments, did a random sample-- specifically, looked over the first page of entries (approx 200 comments per) in each of your July & December 2015, then May and Aug 2016, in all, about 750 comments (Aug = only 50). I noticed that you posted only ONE link to an information source -- an education journal, iirc, and one other cut-and-paste of information -- it was from wikipedia, about 1830.

    You commented here --
    "People can just make up shit. How would we know?"

    I have posted some pretty controversial information in support of my hypotheses and opinions, but I try to support most of the information with links to books, videos, etc.

    You've posted pretty dogmatic (orthodoxly so) views re Germany in WWII. Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    After all, "People can just make up shit. How would we know?"
  80. @SolontoCroesus

    Second that they [Gypsies] were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.
     
    iffen, the ghost of Sam Untermyer -- In a radio address in August 1933 (the date is important), Untermyer said:

    When the tale is told, as it will be some day if the impotent League of Nations ever sufficiently awakens from its Rip Van Winkle slumbers to the realization of its power and duty to prosecute an investigation into the facts, the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people -- a people who love and have shed their blood for their Fatherland, and to whom Germany owes in large part its prosperity and its great scientists, educators, lawyers, physicians, poets, musicians, diplomats and philosophers, who are the backbone of its past cultural life.

    Back to Dark Ages

    But why dwell longer upon this revolting picture of the ravages wrought by these ingrates and beasts of prey, animated by the loathsome motives of race hatred, bigotry and envy. For the Jews are the aristocrats of the world.
     
    Several problems with Untermyer's assertions:

    I. From Jacob Raisin's History of the Haskalah Movement in Russia we can learn that in the mid- to late-1800s, as Russian Jews became "enlightened" -- attuned to the (and permitted to) pursue secular education, they flocked to German and Austrian universities to quench their pent-up thirst for scholarship.

    The next question becomes, who created those institutions of higher learning that Russian Jews took advantage of?

    Here's wikipedia's list of Germany's universities:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Germany


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Heidelberg_University

    Heidelberg U, was founded 1386 with support of Pope Urban VI. It was modeled on the University of Paris, which itself was "Chartered in 1200 by King Philip II (Philippe-Auguste) of France and recognised in 1215 by Pope Innocent III."

    U of Leipzig was founded consequent to a decree of Pope Alexander V. It was modeled on the university at Prague, which was founded by Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV and his friend, Pope Clement VI.

    The University of Rostock "was founded in 1419 by confirmation of Pope Martin V and thus is the oldest university in Northern Europe."

    That's the three oldest universities in Germany; it doesn't take much effort to research the origins of Germany's other universities where, Raisin tells us, Russian Jews flocked to take advantage of educational opportunities

    See#84, I failed to get my reply attached to your tag.

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  81. @ISmellBagels
    Am I right to infer from your posting profile that you are a zionazi on a hasbara mission?

    As you seem to be a newcomer to UR and obviously haven’t read much of what I have written i have to ask what precisely you mean or are referring to when you write of my “posting profile”.

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  82. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @mr. meener
    I say trump will win a lot of sanders people and he was always leading big with independents

    The media are portraying Trump as ‘erratic’, and Trump is taking the bait.

    In his contest with GOP featherweights, the erratic stuff made for good showbiz and circus.

    But when it comes to the big prize, people want someone who seems stable and authoritative.

    Trump needs to ignore the gnats and flies. He needs to focus on the big whale. Go after Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Thar She Blows Up the World.

    He must not seem petty by fixating on gnats like Khan. Leave that up to his supporters. He should go for the big fish. Trump is in the big battle for the top prize. He carries a club. He shouldn’t go after mice. A big man with a big club going after mice looks silly. A big man with big club must go for big game, big trophy.
    With a net, you catch minnows. With a harpoon, you go for whales.
    Trump is in a whale game. He must hunt buffalo, not rabbits.

    Trump needs to show that it is Hillary and the Globalists who are the real Hitlers, the real Nazis. They are the instigators of wars and mayhem around the world. Hillary and Media call Trump and Putin ‘Hitler’. But who messed up Ukraine? Who messed up Iraq, Syria, and Libya? It wasn’t Putin. It wasn’t Trump. It was the neocons and Obama/Hillary. Most of great wars since end of Cold War had neocon or zio-lib fingerprints. And to understand Russia, Trump should say something about what the globalists did to that country in the 90s.

    Trump should also say Merkel is like Hitler. What was Hitler’s great crime? Hitler violated national borders. He imposed his vision of internationalism on other nations. In Hitler’s New World Order, his forces could trample into any nation and force its agenda on others. Merkel is acting the same way, though to destroy Germany. But destroying her own nation isn’t enough. She is trying to force other nations to be destroyed too. She is attacking Hungary and Poland for not welcoming invasion. It is like reverse-Hitlerism. Hitler told Poland, ‘you have no right to be resist German invasion’. Merkel says to Poles, ‘you have no right to be resist Muslim and African invasion.’

    Trump should avoid gnats like Khan. Let his supporters dig up dirt on him.
    He should focus on Hillary, Big Money, Big Money, the collusion of Wall Street and Washington, globalist favoring of open borders and aliens over national citizens, globalism’s favoritism of cities over suburbs and small towns.

    Trump should also use Lib words against Libs. After all, even NYT said Obama locked up more whistleblowers than all previous administrators combined. And even NYT admitted Obama’s administration has been the least transparent. (But media went along with this because both media and state are controlled by Jews. But stuff about Jews cannot be said because we live in Ziocracy.)

    I don’t think many people are voting FOR Hillary. Even her supporters must force themselves to feel excited about her. Many will vote AGAINST Trump because the media portray him as a crazy nut.

    If voters are made to see Trump as a madman, they will vote AGAINST him.

    It’s like even Alt Right guys will vote for Jeb Bush if he were running against Stalin.

    Since Hillary isn’t very likable or credible, the media will play on anti-Trumpiness. Obama had a certain celebrity-appeal, so the media could play up his image and persona. Such is missing in Hillary. And Sanders supporters really don’t like her.

    So, the media will make Trump out to be so ‘crazy’ that even Sanders voters will feel they must vote for Hillary as the lesser evil against the great nutty evil that is Trump.

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    cant argue with a well written well thought out piece that you wrote
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Sound advice, you should be offering to DT and getting paid for it. Perhaps you, the Priss factory and DFS could form a consultancy.
    , @Orville H. Larson
    "Trump needs to show that it is Hillary and the Globalists who are the real Hitlers, the real Nazis. They are the instigators of wars and mayhem around the world. Hillary and Media call Trump and Putin 'Hitler.' But who messed up Ukraine? Who messed up Iraq, Syria, and Libya? It wasn't Putin. It wasn't Trump. It was the neocons and Obama/Hillary. . . ."

    Perfectly true, of course.

    To be blunt about it, Trump's been fucking up as of late. He's allowed himself to be put on the defensive by the The Pantsuited One. He's fighting the battle on her terms--a bad mistake. He should--he's got to--get the focus back on her degenerate warmongering, her subservience to big interests, her lack of integrity--and never let up.
  83. @alexander
    Rurik,

    It seems like its a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

    Obviously, passing a law requiring the Federal Government to balance the books each year would eliminate the need for our country to have a federal reserve.

    If our government cannot OVERSPEND what it takes in ( in taxes) then there would be no need to borrow money from anyone.

    For example: If the Federal government generates 3.8 trillion in revenues(taxes) and spends 3.8 trillion in running the country....the books are balanced...there is no debt created and no need to borrow money.

    This is the way the country should be run....period.

    But the point of the US having a lending facility such as the federal reserve,is to allow us for the possibility we might need to spend more in a given year than we take in.

    This kind of overspending is sometimes justified as in the event of a natural disaster or a foreign invasion.

    So having a federal reserve banking system is not all bad.


    But I think you have to understand that our federal reserve bank does not just "create money out of thin air",.....it borrows that money from our future.

    Whatever dollars we "print" to pay for our overspending ,today, gets rolled into the national debt.


    Step back for a minute and imagine a scenario where the entire eastern seaboard is battered by a mega tsunami , there are thousands of lives lost, millions of homes and buildings destroyed and the amount of damage runs in the 100's of billions of dollars.

    the federal government might need to step in and help out , right?

    But what if it can't because its already spent every penny its taken in in taxes to pay its expenses and it cannot run a deficit to borrow the money ?

    Is this a good thing ?

    For arguments sake, lets say it isn't.

    So that fiscal year our government takes in 3.8 trillion, but now has to spend an extra 200 billion in emergency assistance to help rebuild the eastern seaboard.

    Where do we find the money ? we borrow it, from our future tax rolls .....and the federal reserve facilitates that lending . We have just added 200 billion to our national debt.

    However, it still has to be paid for, Rurik, but rather than hit the citizens with an 8% tax increase the following year....we can disperse the brunt of the 200 billion expense over a ten or twenty year period and run an extra deficit in the process.

    The federal reserve is the tool we use to facilitate the process.

    This is not evil ,Rurik, its actually okay.

    But the Neocon way of doing business, defrauding the american taxpayer out of trillions in future revenues to lie us into wars of aggression today,is an absolute abomination.

    Its the most furious and sustained assault against our country and our way of life,we can imagine.

    They are a 21 trillion national debt train wreck.

    It should be stopped right away....but unfortunately, it looks like its just going to get a lot worse.

    So having a federal reserve banking system is not all bad.

    But I think you have to understand that our federal reserve bank does not just “create money out of thin air”,…..it borrows that money from our future.

    it, Alexander, is a consortium of private bankers that loans that money to our government and then charges interest on the money that yes, they create out of thin air.

    if we need money for some catastrophe, we can simply have the Treasury print it

    we don’t need some Jewish bankers to loan it to us. This is a recipe for slavery, and indeed, eternal debt slavery because the money loaned out will never be enough to pay it back, plus interest

    we did it right for the first hundred years of the republic, when for that first hundred years the value of our money didn’t change

    then when we handed over control of our money to the world’s greediest men, suddenly we’re involved in world wars all over the place and our money today is worth about two pennies of what it was when the Fed was created.

    it’s a royal scam and it’s empowering the worst psychopaths on the planet who’re looting this country dry and using their power of the printing press to buy our politicians and foist endless war (for Israel)

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    "if we need money for a catastrophe we can simply have our treasury print it."

    Which is exactly what we do, Rurik,

    but every dollar we print to use to pay for government "overspending" becomes debt we have to pay for in some future time, it just doesn't come out of thin air...and it doesn't vanish into thin air either ..it is borrowed from future tax rolls.

    This is why the heinous Neocon war debt is so catastrophic to our country ...because its so humongous nobody knows where the money will come from to pay it down.......

    This is why Queen Hillary never discusses it.

    This is why Congress never discusses it.

    This is why our soaring national debt from heaving, unconscionable wars of choice are never mentioned in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal.

    because they know they have no clue how to pay for it.

    NO CLUE.

    Where are we going to get the trillions to pay for this obscene , pathetic , and largely fabricated "war on terror" ?

    Where is it going to come from?

    Is a candidate going to propose a TAX HIKE for 320 million Americans....because they defrauded us into war ?

    I DON'T THINK SO.

  84. @Priss Factor
    The media are portraying Trump as 'erratic', and Trump is taking the bait.

    In his contest with GOP featherweights, the erratic stuff made for good showbiz and circus.

    But when it comes to the big prize, people want someone who seems stable and authoritative.

    Trump needs to ignore the gnats and flies. He needs to focus on the big whale. Go after Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Thar She Blows Up the World.

    He must not seem petty by fixating on gnats like Khan. Leave that up to his supporters. He should go for the big fish. Trump is in the big battle for the top prize. He carries a club. He shouldn't go after mice. A big man with a big club going after mice looks silly. A big man with big club must go for big game, big trophy.
    With a net, you catch minnows. With a harpoon, you go for whales.
    Trump is in a whale game. He must hunt buffalo, not rabbits.

    Trump needs to show that it is Hillary and the Globalists who are the real Hitlers, the real Nazis. They are the instigators of wars and mayhem around the world. Hillary and Media call Trump and Putin 'Hitler'. But who messed up Ukraine? Who messed up Iraq, Syria, and Libya? It wasn't Putin. It wasn't Trump. It was the neocons and Obama/Hillary. Most of great wars since end of Cold War had neocon or zio-lib fingerprints. And to understand Russia, Trump should say something about what the globalists did to that country in the 90s.

    Trump should also say Merkel is like Hitler. What was Hitler's great crime? Hitler violated national borders. He imposed his vision of internationalism on other nations. In Hitler's New World Order, his forces could trample into any nation and force its agenda on others. Merkel is acting the same way, though to destroy Germany. But destroying her own nation isn't enough. She is trying to force other nations to be destroyed too. She is attacking Hungary and Poland for not welcoming invasion. It is like reverse-Hitlerism. Hitler told Poland, 'you have no right to be resist German invasion'. Merkel says to Poles, 'you have no right to be resist Muslim and African invasion.'

    Trump should avoid gnats like Khan. Let his supporters dig up dirt on him.
    He should focus on Hillary, Big Money, Big Money, the collusion of Wall Street and Washington, globalist favoring of open borders and aliens over national citizens, globalism's favoritism of cities over suburbs and small towns.

    Trump should also use Lib words against Libs. After all, even NYT said Obama locked up more whistleblowers than all previous administrators combined. And even NYT admitted Obama's administration has been the least transparent. (But media went along with this because both media and state are controlled by Jews. But stuff about Jews cannot be said because we live in Ziocracy.)

    I don't think many people are voting FOR Hillary. Even her supporters must force themselves to feel excited about her. Many will vote AGAINST Trump because the media portray him as a crazy nut.

    If voters are made to see Trump as a madman, they will vote AGAINST him.

    It's like even Alt Right guys will vote for Jeb Bush if he were running against Stalin.

    Since Hillary isn't very likable or credible, the media will play on anti-Trumpiness. Obama had a certain celebrity-appeal, so the media could play up his image and persona. Such is missing in Hillary. And Sanders supporters really don't like her.

    So, the media will make Trump out to be so 'crazy' that even Sanders voters will feel they must vote for Hillary as the lesser evil against the great nutty evil that is Trump.

    cant argue with a well written well thought out piece that you wrote

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  85. @Rurik

    So having a federal reserve banking system is not all bad.

    But I think you have to understand that our federal reserve bank does not just “create money out of thin air”,…..it borrows that money from our future.
     
    it, Alexander, is a consortium of private bankers that loans that money to our government and then charges interest on the money that yes, they create out of thin air.

    if we need money for some catastrophe, we can simply have the Treasury print it

    we don't need some Jewish bankers to loan it to us. This is a recipe for slavery, and indeed, eternal debt slavery because the money loaned out will never be enough to pay it back, plus interest

    we did it right for the first hundred years of the republic, when for that first hundred years the value of our money didn't change

    then when we handed over control of our money to the world's greediest men, suddenly we're involved in world wars all over the place and our money today is worth about two pennies of what it was when the Fed was created.

    it's a royal scam and it's empowering the worst psychopaths on the planet who're looting this country dry and using their power of the printing press to buy our politicians and foist endless war (for Israel)

    “if we need money for a catastrophe we can simply have our treasury print it.”

    Which is exactly what we do, Rurik,

    but every dollar we print to use to pay for government “overspending” becomes debt we have to pay for in some future time, it just doesn’t come out of thin air…and it doesn’t vanish into thin air either ..it is borrowed from future tax rolls.

    This is why the heinous Neocon war debt is so catastrophic to our country …because its so humongous nobody knows where the money will come from to pay it down…….

    This is why Queen Hillary never discusses it.

    This is why Congress never discusses it.

    This is why our soaring national debt from heaving, unconscionable wars of choice are never mentioned in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal.

    because they know they have no clue how to pay for it.

    NO CLUE.

    Where are we going to get the trillions to pay for this obscene , pathetic , and largely fabricated “war on terror” ?

    Where is it going to come from?

    Is a candidate going to propose a TAX HIKE for 320 million Americans….because they defrauded us into war ?

    I DON’T THINK SO.

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    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @Rurik

    Where are we going to get the trillions to pay for this obscene , pathetic , and largely fabricated “war on terror” ?
     
    where do you think the Federal Reserve gets it Alexander?

    they just f'n print it. Or, more precisely, they hit a few keys on their computer keyboard. What do you think Quantitative Easing is Alexander?

    it's the Fed hitting some keys on their computer and **poof**, there another trillion or two!

    sure, some of the debt that we owe is legitimate treasury bonds bought by individuals and funds and foreign governments, and we're on the hook for those. But the rest of it is just made up numbers that these guys from the big banks tell us they loaned us, and we need to pay them back, plus interest. But it's our money. They didn't loan us anything but our own money, that now they want to charge us all interest on.

    It's a pure scam. And all we need to do it tell them to fuck off, and we don't owe them anything. In fact, if they go quietly, we might not prosecute them and toss their criminal arses in prison. That's the deal of it. They're crooks, and scammers, and they've been allowed to run this scam because our entire congress are rotten and corrupt. Except Ron Paul and maybe a few others.

    The history of the Fed is a little more complicated, but it's all there.

    all we need to do is close it down, and pay off the bond holders, and we'd be free of these super criminals who have their greedy hands in our Treasury and in our wallets

    they tell us we can't just print the money because that'd cause inflation, but that's exactly what they've been causing ever since they created the scam.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Sorry but Rurik is correct, the government prints bonds not dollars and then uses the bonds as security on loans which must be repaid to the (private) Fed with interest requiring more loans. It's the fed that prints the dollars in a never ending debt cycle.
  86. When I look at the election this year, I see the possibility of it boiling down to a single issue: War or Peace. Hillary is the war party today and Trump, hopefully, is the peace candidate. Does the USA keep following the Ziocon war mongers toward war or do we follow Trump toward peace? Today we see the Republican leaders who support the war party attacking Trump and threatening to vote for Hillary and we see many Democrats and Independents who are sick and tired of war swinging to Trump. In the end, the demarcation line will be between war and peace. As for me, I am a man of peace and it is my prayer we’ll have peace on the earth and reject the Ziocons.

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  87. @Intelligent Dasein
    When you stop to think about it, it is truly astonishing that the fate of this little make-believe country on the Mediterranean coast could come to occupy such a prominent place in the minds of America's political elite.

    What is going on here? What is Israel, really? An international crime syndicate? A nuclear-armed flash mob? Yes it is these things, but to Western elites it is something more besides. It is the clearest vision yet glimpsed of their hearts' desire. In its internationalism, its "freedom" from all constraints of place, from any rules not of its own making; in its boundless faith in the power of money, its contempt for labor, its insouciant declaration that all the world's spoil rightly belongs to it; in its bellicosity, its hubris, its ruthless self-assurance rooted in a religious ideal that has long since banished God to the attic---in all these things, it is exactly what our elites aspire to be.

    The upper strata of European-American society is grafting itself heart and soul into the same Jewish-sprung cosmopolitanism that produced Bolshevism and crony capitalism. There is no need any longer to posit a secret cabal of Jewish schemers bent on world domination. Our elites, at heart, are already Jews.

    Perfidious Jews.

    Wow .. well said with the exception of calling them Jews. They called themselves Jews when Jesus Christ walked the earth too; but, He called the the sons of Satan, the tares of the parable of the Tares of the Field as Jesus Christ explained to His disciples starting at Matthew 13:36 … https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/13/36/s_942036 … Today we know them by their fruits, death and destruction and evil deeds. Call them Ziocons (conflation of Zionist and Neocon. Many of these individuals are responsible pushing the US & Britain to invade Iraq. They do the bidding of AIPAC and hence Israel), not Jews because real Jews don’t support Zionism.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Interesting that Iran has the largest population of Jews in the ME outside of Israel and they don't support zionism.
  88. @iffen
    Thanks. I don't know enough about the movement of Jewish students in this time frame to make many comments. Taking what you quote at face value, it makes sense to me that a literate people would go to the best educational institutions available if they were allowed to do so. I'm guessing that German and Austrian institutions were in a class beyond Russian ones.

    As to the other question raised by WOZ, I am not prepared to do any kind of scorecard of Jews vs. non-Jews as to cultural and scientific contributions for this time period.

    My point was that if genocide is morally wrong, how can you decide the genocide of one group is "more" wrong than another?

    iffen, as I understand the facts, it was not Jews who were “genocided” but Germans — and Russians.

    Can’t complete the critique of Untermeyer’s statement right now — vinegar-&-oil dressing impacted keyboard; touchpad crazy.

    later

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I hope it was a great salad anyway and that you're able to rejoin us soon ;0).
    , @helena
    How is genocide measured - is it the intent, i.e. to remove a specific ethnic group - or is it the outcome, i.e. numbers or percentage deaths?

    I don't know what your understanding is but if you subscribe to the theory that Jewish people were rounded up into camps ready for transfer to Israel but that many died of typhus whilst waiting, then wouldn't the deaths by typhus still be eligible for genocide?

    Who is Untermeyer, why did he make that speech?

    Do you eat salad while typing?

  89. @alexander
    "if we need money for a catastrophe we can simply have our treasury print it."

    Which is exactly what we do, Rurik,

    but every dollar we print to use to pay for government "overspending" becomes debt we have to pay for in some future time, it just doesn't come out of thin air...and it doesn't vanish into thin air either ..it is borrowed from future tax rolls.

    This is why the heinous Neocon war debt is so catastrophic to our country ...because its so humongous nobody knows where the money will come from to pay it down.......

    This is why Queen Hillary never discusses it.

    This is why Congress never discusses it.

    This is why our soaring national debt from heaving, unconscionable wars of choice are never mentioned in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal.

    because they know they have no clue how to pay for it.

    NO CLUE.

    Where are we going to get the trillions to pay for this obscene , pathetic , and largely fabricated "war on terror" ?

    Where is it going to come from?

    Is a candidate going to propose a TAX HIKE for 320 million Americans....because they defrauded us into war ?

    I DON'T THINK SO.

    Where are we going to get the trillions to pay for this obscene , pathetic , and largely fabricated “war on terror” ?

    where do you think the Federal Reserve gets it Alexander?

    they just f’n print it. Or, more precisely, they hit a few keys on their computer keyboard. What do you think Quantitative Easing is Alexander?

    it’s the Fed hitting some keys on their computer and **poof**, there another trillion or two!

    sure, some of the debt that we owe is legitimate treasury bonds bought by individuals and funds and foreign governments, and we’re on the hook for those. But the rest of it is just made up numbers that these guys from the big banks tell us they loaned us, and we need to pay them back, plus interest. But it’s our money. They didn’t loan us anything but our own money, that now they want to charge us all interest on.

    It’s a pure scam. And all we need to do it tell them to fuck off, and we don’t owe them anything. In fact, if they go quietly, we might not prosecute them and toss their criminal arses in prison. That’s the deal of it. They’re crooks, and scammers, and they’ve been allowed to run this scam because our entire congress are rotten and corrupt. Except Ron Paul and maybe a few others.

    The history of the Fed is a little more complicated, but it’s all there.

    all we need to do is close it down, and pay off the bond holders, and we’d be free of these super criminals who have their greedy hands in our Treasury and in our wallets

    they tell us we can’t just print the money because that’d cause inflation, but that’s exactly what they’ve been causing ever since they created the scam.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    [But the rest of it is just made up numbers that these guys from the big banks tell us they loaned us]

    That statement is all one needs know to dismiss your habitual rants on the Fed [and much else].

    Spend a bit [or a great deal] of effort to learn accounting. Look up the definition of Excess Reserves held at the Fed, and then we can have a meaningful debate; all else is just plain a-Paul-ing.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/current/
  90. I see what you are saying, but you still don’t quite understand my point.

    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of….is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..

    This is exactly why our debt has BALLOONED from 5.7 trillion in 2000 to 21 trillion today.

    This kind of fiscal carnage is absolutely unprecedented in American history .

    It has to be the greatest and most sustained Neocon TERRORIST ASSAULT on the solvency and credit worthiness of our Nation …….in history.

    But the debt for these stupid, stupid wars still has to be paid for, Rurik …..and nobody knows where the money is going to come from, to pay for it ?

    Are you going to pay for it?

    The fact that our federal government has the power to run a deficit has been hijacked and exploited by these goons to the tune of 15 TRILLION DOLLARS and they have been pocketing hundreds of billions in pure profit on these bogus wars at the expense of all of us and every future generation of Americans…….. for the next 200 years.

    It is an absolute fiasco, a train wreck, a total fiscal nightmare.

    And they know it too….oh boy….. do they know it.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    More than likely the money will be used to buy up strategic assets and property on the cheap after a great financial crash and then what will remain is a modern version of feudalism.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I confess to not having thought through to my satisfaction the likely consequences of the recent unprecedented money creation by QE. But note that it is not by any means confined to the US or central banks which fantasy could suppose controlled by Jews (actually only the Fed gives some superficial support to that bogeyman). But I am very clear that it is entirely the politicians who are to blame because they have failed to embrace the valid commonsense aspects of Keynesianism. Imagine how much healthier America's economic path since 2007 would have been if the low interest botrowings used for war in the ME had been used on American infrastructure of all kinds. You don't have to believe in governments "picking winners" to suppose they could find productive ways to spend money borrowed at 1 per cent real interest for 30 years.
    , @Sam Shama
    alexander,
    Your position is approaching a sensible construct, something which you and I discussed some months ago [and I perhaps failed to impress on account of the combative turn the discussion took]. So here I shall start by making a number of simple points:

    (1) You are exactly correct regarding the wasteful nature of debt financed wars. The spending on these generally benefit defence contractors and arms manufacturers, with little or nothing trickling to the middle classes.

    (2) Debt financed spending is beneficial as 'automatic stabilisers' when an economy suffers an unforeseen headwind in the form of a natural disaster, war destruction etc.

    (3) Debt financed spending is also indicated in circumstances such as in our present condition, where interest rates are at historic lows and high return infrastructure investments are clearly available.

    (4) Rurik and NosytheDuke are, as usual, entirely wrong. Federal Reserve purchases do not necessarily lead to greater future deficits for the federal balance sheet, as has been the case in recent years for the reason of seignorage, where the interest sent to the central bank is returned to the Treasury. [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S] Notice that the deficit reduced harmonically from about -9.8% at the depths of the recession to -2.5% in 2015 and it continues to drop or stabilise there.

    (5) The Fed does not 'give' money to the banks, which then stuff Jewish pockets [it goes 'poof' in Rurik's magic kingdom]. The banks hope ordinary small business borrowing and consumer borrowing results following QE, thereby resetting the economy. Now this has not happened at any appreciable level, since consumers and businesses have retracted on account of a lack of visibility regarding good, permanent jobs in the future. Thus all this credit [money] is SITTING as Excess Reserves held at the Fed, for the accounts of the commercial banks.

    (6) While the Federal Debt level had indeed risen from $6 tr to $21tr, during the same period private debt [both comsumer and small business] has fallen [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HDTGPDUSQ163N] from about 100% of GDP to around 79.7%. This tells you that in many ways the economy is a 'closed system', where the contraction in the household balance sheet is simply offset by an expansion in our federal balance sheet debt. Debt levels in many other smaller portions of the economic jigsaw have also reduced as the Federal debt has risen.

    (7) All that matters, can be encapsulated in agreeing that we (a) spend the federal debt not for wars but for infrastructure (b) reduce the increasing inequality in wealth and income [a separate discussion required as to why this in needed not for efficiency but for levels]


    ** On a related matter I spotted in another thread yesterday, NosytheDuke and Wiz [and others] were engaged on the topic of Australia's fiscal/monetary policies during the 1996-2016 period I believe, and the subject of sale of Gold was being debated. In that discussion NtD made the point that Gold was sold at the 'low' thereby resulting in an opportunity loss. But this is flawed thinking. For one, central banks are lenders of the last resort and not market-to-market like hedge funds. The Aussie CB/Treasury complex did the correct thing. U.S. bonds at that time had a duration weighted yield of about 6% , which from the current perspective is an incredible return [not that the Aussie CB was particularly basing its operation with an eye to this, but rather that it needed the gold sales to boost surplus and earn a coupon from the world's premier reserve bonds rather than incur storage costs]. Furthermore even if the gold bullion was not sold but held ,and then sold at the highs in 2012-13 [a ridiculous notion that would equate the CB operating as a hedge fund with perfect foresight, of which there are none!] the capital gains would have been comparable [not that CBs account for cap gains] to holding the same sums in the US 10-yr bond through 2016. Check the numbers NtD.
    , @Rurik

    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of….is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..
     
    debt to whom Alexander?

    to whom is that money owed?

    it's owed to us! It's our money!

    Yes, we owe and have to pay back the bond holders, that's true, but what we can do- what is always done- is you simply print money to pay back these debts. When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that's why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they're just 'easing' the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it's causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don't notice it. But they're not using the money to pay off the debts the American people "owe", they're using the money to prop up corrupt regimes and foist wars and consolidate their power and enrich their cronies, as usual.

    But the rub is that we're allowing these scumbag bankers to ease our money over to other central bankers in Europe and Asia and we're not getting the benefits, but rather other banksters are getting the benefits, and we're getting the wars and rust belts. It's a fucking scam!

    Wall Street is getting the benefits, because the Fed is busy buying up their fraudulent debts, created with assorted 'Credit Default Swaps' and 'Collateralized Debt Obligations', and other assorted convoluted scams and frauds that are wayyy too complicated for even the banksters themselves to really understand.

    It takes super-criminals like Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers to come up with this stuff. But at its core, it's all a rotten swindle, that we only need to tell them is over. And put the cuffs on them all.

    I see Sam laughably posted a link to the official Federal Reserve site. What a joke!

    you know what they tell us? They tell us that sure, they're tossing around many trillions of dollars all over the place, and collecting interest and controlling all the big banks, but this is the thing Alex, they're doing it all for our own good! They're just trying to make sure we all prosper and thrive! That's why the Federal Reserve Banksters caused the Great Depression, and looted the entire economy, to help us all!!! That's why the blew up the housing bubble, and then popped it, to help us all!!!

    and this is the kicker.. after it's all said and done, at the end of each year, they look at all the trillions and billions and hundreds of billions in interest rates, and they decide what's the tiniest fair amount that they deserve for protecting our money and protecting the economy, and then they selflessly return to the Treasury what they don't need! Isn't that amazing!

    So the main thing is that all this debt is our money, and the US dollar is our money. We can print it ourselves. We can hit our own keys on our own computer and send how ever many trillions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and China that we want to. They may say, 'hey, we worked hard for that money, and you paid us off by hitting some keys on your computer, and just created trillion$ out of thin air!' And we could say 'yep, we sure did'. And that's how it works. Only instead of China being the dupe, it's the American people that have been playing the dupe.

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

    ~ Jefferson

    Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

    ~ Jackson

    in fact, the American revolutionary war was fought in main part because the Bank of England wanted to force the colonies to use its debt based currency, and the founders rightly understood that to mean perpetual slavery. And then again, with the war of 1812, Rothschild was again trying to foist his London based central bank on the nation. They never relent.

    the fist thing these fiends did when they overthrew Gadaffi was impose a central bank on that ravaged nation. They're the epitome of evil, because they use their power for more power and to impose their will on everyone. Both world wars were horror-shows were of their doing. The Eternal War is their doing. And it will never, ever end unless we end the Fed. Or the rest of the world does it for us by stop using the US dollar as their reserve currency. Because the whole thing is a gigantic fraud, all based on illusion.

    look at Gecko talking about the value of his painting, 'the illusion has become real'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjCRWbvM4c

    that's the same thing with the dollar

    its a fiat currency. We can print all we want of it and hand it to anyone who we owe, and that'd be the end of it. Since it was removed from the gold standard it's simply a piece of paper whose value is determined not by any market, but by what we say it is. And if there's a problems, well then they just send in the Plunge Protection Team, and put pressure on OPEC or the ECB.

    It's all a scam, and it's all being run by a tiny handful of international central bankers who all answer to the house of Rothschild.

    did you know that at some point some journalist or someone called some of the Jewish "Russian" oligarchs that looted Russia under Yeltsin; Rothschild agents- and then those stupid oligarchs sued in court, the journalists won, because it came out that they were indeed Rothschld agents!

    The rot all points to one festering, stinking rat hole. And all we need to do is clean out that rat hole, and free mankind. And all the wars for Zionism and destabilizations in Syria and Ukraine and all this manufactured strife and monopolization of the corporate world and all the cultural degeneracy will end like **that**. Poof.

    well, maybe not like that. But give it a year or two, and you'd see what I'm talking about. ;)
  91. @Priss Factor
    The media are portraying Trump as 'erratic', and Trump is taking the bait.

    In his contest with GOP featherweights, the erratic stuff made for good showbiz and circus.

    But when it comes to the big prize, people want someone who seems stable and authoritative.

    Trump needs to ignore the gnats and flies. He needs to focus on the big whale. Go after Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Thar She Blows Up the World.

    He must not seem petty by fixating on gnats like Khan. Leave that up to his supporters. He should go for the big fish. Trump is in the big battle for the top prize. He carries a club. He shouldn't go after mice. A big man with a big club going after mice looks silly. A big man with big club must go for big game, big trophy.
    With a net, you catch minnows. With a harpoon, you go for whales.
    Trump is in a whale game. He must hunt buffalo, not rabbits.

    Trump needs to show that it is Hillary and the Globalists who are the real Hitlers, the real Nazis. They are the instigators of wars and mayhem around the world. Hillary and Media call Trump and Putin 'Hitler'. But who messed up Ukraine? Who messed up Iraq, Syria, and Libya? It wasn't Putin. It wasn't Trump. It was the neocons and Obama/Hillary. Most of great wars since end of Cold War had neocon or zio-lib fingerprints. And to understand Russia, Trump should say something about what the globalists did to that country in the 90s.

    Trump should also say Merkel is like Hitler. What was Hitler's great crime? Hitler violated national borders. He imposed his vision of internationalism on other nations. In Hitler's New World Order, his forces could trample into any nation and force its agenda on others. Merkel is acting the same way, though to destroy Germany. But destroying her own nation isn't enough. She is trying to force other nations to be destroyed too. She is attacking Hungary and Poland for not welcoming invasion. It is like reverse-Hitlerism. Hitler told Poland, 'you have no right to be resist German invasion'. Merkel says to Poles, 'you have no right to be resist Muslim and African invasion.'

    Trump should avoid gnats like Khan. Let his supporters dig up dirt on him.
    He should focus on Hillary, Big Money, Big Money, the collusion of Wall Street and Washington, globalist favoring of open borders and aliens over national citizens, globalism's favoritism of cities over suburbs and small towns.

    Trump should also use Lib words against Libs. After all, even NYT said Obama locked up more whistleblowers than all previous administrators combined. And even NYT admitted Obama's administration has been the least transparent. (But media went along with this because both media and state are controlled by Jews. But stuff about Jews cannot be said because we live in Ziocracy.)

    I don't think many people are voting FOR Hillary. Even her supporters must force themselves to feel excited about her. Many will vote AGAINST Trump because the media portray him as a crazy nut.

    If voters are made to see Trump as a madman, they will vote AGAINST him.

    It's like even Alt Right guys will vote for Jeb Bush if he were running against Stalin.

    Since Hillary isn't very likable or credible, the media will play on anti-Trumpiness. Obama had a certain celebrity-appeal, so the media could play up his image and persona. Such is missing in Hillary. And Sanders supporters really don't like her.

    So, the media will make Trump out to be so 'crazy' that even Sanders voters will feel they must vote for Hillary as the lesser evil against the great nutty evil that is Trump.

    Sound advice, you should be offering to DT and getting paid for it. Perhaps you, the Priss factory and DFS could form a consultancy.

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  92. @alexander
    "if we need money for a catastrophe we can simply have our treasury print it."

    Which is exactly what we do, Rurik,

    but every dollar we print to use to pay for government "overspending" becomes debt we have to pay for in some future time, it just doesn't come out of thin air...and it doesn't vanish into thin air either ..it is borrowed from future tax rolls.

    This is why the heinous Neocon war debt is so catastrophic to our country ...because its so humongous nobody knows where the money will come from to pay it down.......

    This is why Queen Hillary never discusses it.

    This is why Congress never discusses it.

    This is why our soaring national debt from heaving, unconscionable wars of choice are never mentioned in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal.

    because they know they have no clue how to pay for it.

    NO CLUE.

    Where are we going to get the trillions to pay for this obscene , pathetic , and largely fabricated "war on terror" ?

    Where is it going to come from?

    Is a candidate going to propose a TAX HIKE for 320 million Americans....because they defrauded us into war ?

    I DON'T THINK SO.

    Sorry but Rurik is correct, the government prints bonds not dollars and then uses the bonds as security on loans which must be repaid to the (private) Fed with interest requiring more loans. It’s the fed that prints the dollars in a never ending debt cycle.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Nonsense. Bonds and dollars are the same, the former with longer maturities and the latter instantaneously maturing. Private loans are made by banks for which interest is charged. The Fed returns interest charged on bonds to the treasury.
  93. @TellTheTruth-2
    Wow .. well said with the exception of calling them Jews. They called themselves Jews when Jesus Christ walked the earth too; but, He called the the sons of Satan, the tares of the parable of the Tares of the Field as Jesus Christ explained to His disciples starting at Matthew 13:36 ... https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/13/36/s_942036 ... Today we know them by their fruits, death and destruction and evil deeds. Call them Ziocons (conflation of Zionist and Neocon. Many of these individuals are responsible pushing the US & Britain to invade Iraq. They do the bidding of AIPAC and hence Israel), not Jews because real Jews don't support Zionism.

    Interesting that Iran has the largest population of Jews in the ME outside of Israel and they don’t support zionism.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Whether or not you are correct in saying that Iran has the second largest Jewish populaton in the ME - and I accept that you probably are - are you not being very naive in saying that thosr Jews don't support Zionism? Even if it was just a statement in a synagogue that of course Israel had the right to exist as any kind of sovereign, let alone Jewish, state would be dealt with by the police or Revolutionary Guard, or judiciary.... well, how, do you think?

    I have, by the way, heard a Bedouin mayor of an Israeli town tell a group of foreigners, including Jews, that he didn't recognise Israel's right to exist. This was in Israel.
  94. @SolontoCroesus
    iffen, as I understand the facts, it was not Jews who were "genocided" but Germans -- and Russians.

    Can't complete the critique of Untermeyer's statement right now -- vinegar-&-oil dressing impacted keyboard; touchpad crazy.

    later

    I hope it was a great salad anyway and that you’re able to rejoin us soon ;0).

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  95. @alexander
    I see what you are saying, but you still don't quite understand my point.


    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of....is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..

    This is exactly why our debt has BALLOONED from 5.7 trillion in 2000 to 21 trillion today.

    This kind of fiscal carnage is absolutely unprecedented in American history .

    It has to be the greatest and most sustained Neocon TERRORIST ASSAULT on the solvency and credit worthiness of our Nation .......in history.

    But the debt for these stupid, stupid wars still has to be paid for, Rurik .....and nobody knows where the money is going to come from, to pay for it ?

    Are you going to pay for it?


    The fact that our federal government has the power to run a deficit has been hijacked and exploited by these goons to the tune of 15 TRILLION DOLLARS and they have been pocketing hundreds of billions in pure profit on these bogus wars at the expense of all of us and every future generation of Americans........ for the next 200 years.

    It is an absolute fiasco, a train wreck, a total fiscal nightmare.

    And they know it too....oh boy..... do they know it.

    More than likely the money will be used to buy up strategic assets and property on the cheap after a great financial crash and then what will remain is a modern version of feudalism.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Lets be crystal clear on the Nosey,

    If someone informs me a foreign country is an absolute imminent threat to our nation, that said country has deposited ANTHRAX spores in our capitol and in our news rooms, then we proceed to war against it at a cost of several TRILLION DOLLARS......

    And then we find out, after the fact, it was all LIES.....

    This is not OKAY.

    Not okay ..AT ALL !


    I want my MONEY BACK, Nosey,


    EVERY..... DAMN .......PENNY !.

    Don't you ?

    And I will vote for the guy who will go out and get it for me !

    Put em all in jail, seize all their assets, clean house and claw it back.

    be swift and merciless....and you got my VOTE !

    Send in the f#cking marines,....but GET IT DONE !
  96. @Kiza
    Johny "The Rat" Howard is most famos for his lie that Boat People were throwing their children into the sea, which the Australian shameless MSM ran with as God given truth, spiced up with a few ambiguous photos of boat people in water. Most Australians believed this ruthless lie, which was the last straw which appears to have won him a re-election.

    I am against wars of choice, but I am also against illegal immigration that they cause. Definitely not a Labor Party ("opposition") voter. But I did not believe this lie for a moment.

    Simply, both major parties in Australia are crooks competing for primacy.

    Now you want to pull on the cheap shoddy guise of the tabloid journo who invents nicknames that no one uses. Or is it ignorance or memory trouble (common in the depressed)? No excuse for misinforming foreigners with (appropriately) little knowledge of Oz whatever the cause.

    John Howard was never “The Rat” but a number of his colleagues, including George Brandis, used to refer to him as The Rodent” allegedly and plausibly because of his determined gnawing away at the Labor government when in Opposition. In 2004 it was alleged that Brandis referred to PM Howard as a or the Lying Rodent. He denied it in a stat dec and Howard cited that stat dec as closing the matter. (OK I’m as sceptical as anyone: I know GB and like lots of other barristers I am sure he is wittily or snarkily indiscreet with his mates).

    The children overboard “lie” didn’t start as a lie, and only became one for a time when Peter Reith, the responsible senior minister and effective hatchet man, delayed clearing up what really happened. Reith was right up to Labor standards of “ruthlessness”.

    It is of course beyond silly to say that John Howard, Australia’s longest serving PM, is/was most famous for this incident of the 2004 election campaign. What about the gun buyback, pushing the then Indonesian President to hold an independence referendum for East Timor and then sending troops to protect the new state, the poorly legislated WorkChoices which worked so well but cost him the 2007 election, going to war in solidarity with his new mate GWB and only losing one soldier killed (accidentally by his own hand as it happens)?

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  97. @iffen
    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.

    You still haven’t told me where I can find my full context to see exactly what I was probably assuming and thinking (using one thumb on a smartphone is bad for speed as well as spelling) but I presume that I had affirmed something about it being the Holocaust of Jews being the greatest crime against German civilisation and culture. I may have had at the back of my mind a Spectator article of about 26 years ago which said “Hitler wasn’t a nationalist: he was a racist” because he destroyed the educated Jewish bearers of German/Western-modern culture throughout Eastern Europe. I suppose that only adds intellectual derangement to the primitive pre-Christian tribalism savagery of the Nazis…. But I have no doubt that Ashkenazi Jews were a resource for the betterment of our lot to be treasured by Westerners (especially after the creators of modernity stopped having large families) in a way that wasn’t applicable to gypsies or peasant Slav soldiers for that matter. I am astonished that you do not seem to have taken notice of the abundant proofs of significantly higher than German or English or Fench or Dutch average IQ amongst Ashkenazim (and probably many true ex-Iberian Sephardim) AND that this has been important for the furthering of what started in NW Europe, especially Britain south of Aberdeen, about 500 years ago. While I have enjoyed a Stefan Grapelli jazz violin concert enormously (as I did an Oscar Peterson jazz piano concert in Charleston) I couldn’t pretend that such phenomena made the contributions of gypsies of African-Americans to civilisation and culture even remotely comparable to that of Jews.

    There are of course fascinating by-ways to traverse (which I understand could give some who don’t share my particular mental data base and preconceptions a sense of moral blindness to the truly important – though they may in fact be taken as obvious givens). For example Paul Johnson’s** marvellous History of the Jews notes how disdainful established German Jews were about the highly visible Ost Juden flocking into the Hapsburg and Hohenstaufen domains. (And that reminds me of the disdain expressed for the long black coat of a distinguished Jewish barrister, educated in non-Jewish institutions before the post WW2 creation of them, who later became a superior court judge, by an equally distinguished scholar and lawyer whose poor mother was Jewish. I think the latter was expressing objection to the idea of the former becoming a member of the old Anglo gentleman’s club to which he himself had belonged for many years – and which, contrary to popular media and Jewish community myth actually had some real Jewish members – though I do remember going to the Anglican funeral of one of them!).

    One of the by-ways emerges from the Jews of Eastern Europe outbreeding (their welcome and) the availability of jobs and business opportunities which had presumably till about 1650 contributed to their being selected for whatever IQ measures. Many of the Jewish inmigrants to the US from about the 1870s to 1925 were illiterate though no doubt respectful of book learning in a way not true of gypsies or any but by and large Protestant Christians. Their children and grandchildren, even if they could only get into City College of NY, became distinguished scientists to the point where the 2 per cent of Americans who are Jews have won 25 per cent of the Nobel Prizes.

    And so on…. More to say below.

    **PJ, né Cassidy, is staunchly Catholic.

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    •Wizard of Oz
    July 29, 2016 at 6:08 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Anonymous


    If you consider that Germany shared the leading edge of our Western civilisation and yet succumbed to the Nazis’ mad wickedness is it not easy to see the near destruction of European Jewry as the great crime of more than just the 20th century?

    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe. I would emphasise that Hitler was putting pure racism ahead of German nationalism. The Holocaust was not only a grotesque reversion to the ways of primitive humanity but a ghastly offence against German culture.
  98. @Priss Factor
    The media are portraying Trump as 'erratic', and Trump is taking the bait.

    In his contest with GOP featherweights, the erratic stuff made for good showbiz and circus.

    But when it comes to the big prize, people want someone who seems stable and authoritative.

    Trump needs to ignore the gnats and flies. He needs to focus on the big whale. Go after Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Thar She Blows Up the World.

    He must not seem petty by fixating on gnats like Khan. Leave that up to his supporters. He should go for the big fish. Trump is in the big battle for the top prize. He carries a club. He shouldn't go after mice. A big man with a big club going after mice looks silly. A big man with big club must go for big game, big trophy.
    With a net, you catch minnows. With a harpoon, you go for whales.
    Trump is in a whale game. He must hunt buffalo, not rabbits.

    Trump needs to show that it is Hillary and the Globalists who are the real Hitlers, the real Nazis. They are the instigators of wars and mayhem around the world. Hillary and Media call Trump and Putin 'Hitler'. But who messed up Ukraine? Who messed up Iraq, Syria, and Libya? It wasn't Putin. It wasn't Trump. It was the neocons and Obama/Hillary. Most of great wars since end of Cold War had neocon or zio-lib fingerprints. And to understand Russia, Trump should say something about what the globalists did to that country in the 90s.

    Trump should also say Merkel is like Hitler. What was Hitler's great crime? Hitler violated national borders. He imposed his vision of internationalism on other nations. In Hitler's New World Order, his forces could trample into any nation and force its agenda on others. Merkel is acting the same way, though to destroy Germany. But destroying her own nation isn't enough. She is trying to force other nations to be destroyed too. She is attacking Hungary and Poland for not welcoming invasion. It is like reverse-Hitlerism. Hitler told Poland, 'you have no right to be resist German invasion'. Merkel says to Poles, 'you have no right to be resist Muslim and African invasion.'

    Trump should avoid gnats like Khan. Let his supporters dig up dirt on him.
    He should focus on Hillary, Big Money, Big Money, the collusion of Wall Street and Washington, globalist favoring of open borders and aliens over national citizens, globalism's favoritism of cities over suburbs and small towns.

    Trump should also use Lib words against Libs. After all, even NYT said Obama locked up more whistleblowers than all previous administrators combined. And even NYT admitted Obama's administration has been the least transparent. (But media went along with this because both media and state are controlled by Jews. But stuff about Jews cannot be said because we live in Ziocracy.)

    I don't think many people are voting FOR Hillary. Even her supporters must force themselves to feel excited about her. Many will vote AGAINST Trump because the media portray him as a crazy nut.

    If voters are made to see Trump as a madman, they will vote AGAINST him.

    It's like even Alt Right guys will vote for Jeb Bush if he were running against Stalin.

    Since Hillary isn't very likable or credible, the media will play on anti-Trumpiness. Obama had a certain celebrity-appeal, so the media could play up his image and persona. Such is missing in Hillary. And Sanders supporters really don't like her.

    So, the media will make Trump out to be so 'crazy' that even Sanders voters will feel they must vote for Hillary as the lesser evil against the great nutty evil that is Trump.

    “Trump needs to show that it is Hillary and the Globalists who are the real Hitlers, the real Nazis. They are the instigators of wars and mayhem around the world. Hillary and Media call Trump and Putin ‘Hitler.’ But who messed up Ukraine? Who messed up Iraq, Syria, and Libya? It wasn’t Putin. It wasn’t Trump. It was the neocons and Obama/Hillary. . . .”

    Perfectly true, of course.

    To be blunt about it, Trump’s been fucking up as of late. He’s allowed himself to be put on the defensive by the The Pantsuited One. He’s fighting the battle on her terms–a bad mistake. He should–he’s got to–get the focus back on her degenerate warmongering, her subservience to big interests, her lack of integrity–and never let up.

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  99. @alexander
    I see what you are saying, but you still don't quite understand my point.


    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of....is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..

    This is exactly why our debt has BALLOONED from 5.7 trillion in 2000 to 21 trillion today.

    This kind of fiscal carnage is absolutely unprecedented in American history .

    It has to be the greatest and most sustained Neocon TERRORIST ASSAULT on the solvency and credit worthiness of our Nation .......in history.

    But the debt for these stupid, stupid wars still has to be paid for, Rurik .....and nobody knows where the money is going to come from, to pay for it ?

    Are you going to pay for it?


    The fact that our federal government has the power to run a deficit has been hijacked and exploited by these goons to the tune of 15 TRILLION DOLLARS and they have been pocketing hundreds of billions in pure profit on these bogus wars at the expense of all of us and every future generation of Americans........ for the next 200 years.

    It is an absolute fiasco, a train wreck, a total fiscal nightmare.

    And they know it too....oh boy..... do they know it.

    I confess to not having thought through to my satisfaction the likely consequences of the recent unprecedented money creation by QE. But note that it is not by any means confined to the US or central banks which fantasy could suppose controlled by Jews (actually only the Fed gives some superficial support to that bogeyman). But I am very clear that it is entirely the politicians who are to blame because they have failed to embrace the valid commonsense aspects of Keynesianism. Imagine how much healthier America’s economic path since 2007 would have been if the low interest botrowings used for war in the ME had been used on American infrastructure of all kinds. You don’t have to believe in governments “picking winners” to suppose they could find productive ways to spend money borrowed at 1 per cent real interest for 30 years.

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  100. @iffen
    Thanks. I don't know enough about the movement of Jewish students in this time frame to make many comments. Taking what you quote at face value, it makes sense to me that a literate people would go to the best educational institutions available if they were allowed to do so. I'm guessing that German and Austrian institutions were in a class beyond Russian ones.

    As to the other question raised by WOZ, I am not prepared to do any kind of scorecard of Jews vs. non-Jews as to cultural and scientific contributions for this time period.

    My point was that if genocide is morally wrong, how can you decide the genocide of one group is "more" wrong than another?

    “not prepared to” is fair enough given the moral point you are seeking to make but what if you did? Without adopting utilitarian modes of judgment (though I see no alternative in pluralistic societies if you want internal peace despite the logical difficulty inherent in “the greatest happiness of the greatest number”) can you not interest yourself in the relative contributions made and to be expected from people of various different ethnicities and/or belief systems?

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  101. @SolontoCroesus

    Second that they [Gypsies] were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe.
     
    iffen, the ghost of Sam Untermyer -- In a radio address in August 1933 (the date is important), Untermyer said:

    When the tale is told, as it will be some day if the impotent League of Nations ever sufficiently awakens from its Rip Van Winkle slumbers to the realization of its power and duty to prosecute an investigation into the facts, the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people -- a people who love and have shed their blood for their Fatherland, and to whom Germany owes in large part its prosperity and its great scientists, educators, lawyers, physicians, poets, musicians, diplomats and philosophers, who are the backbone of its past cultural life.

    Back to Dark Ages

    But why dwell longer upon this revolting picture of the ravages wrought by these ingrates and beasts of prey, animated by the loathsome motives of race hatred, bigotry and envy. For the Jews are the aristocrats of the world.
     
    Several problems with Untermyer's assertions:

    I. From Jacob Raisin's History of the Haskalah Movement in Russia we can learn that in the mid- to late-1800s, as Russian Jews became "enlightened" -- attuned to the (and permitted to) pursue secular education, they flocked to German and Austrian universities to quench their pent-up thirst for scholarship.

    The next question becomes, who created those institutions of higher learning that Russian Jews took advantage of?

    Here's wikipedia's list of Germany's universities:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Germany


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Heidelberg_University

    Heidelberg U, was founded 1386 with support of Pope Urban VI. It was modeled on the University of Paris, which itself was "Chartered in 1200 by King Philip II (Philippe-Auguste) of France and recognised in 1215 by Pope Innocent III."

    U of Leipzig was founded consequent to a decree of Pope Alexander V. It was modeled on the university at Prague, which was founded by Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV and his friend, Pope Clement VI.

    The University of Rostock "was founded in 1419 by confirmation of Pope Martin V and thus is the oldest university in Northern Europe."

    That's the three oldest universities in Germany; it doesn't take much effort to research the origins of Germany's other universities where, Raisin tells us, Russian Jews flocked to take advantage of educational opportunities

    Fascinating to be introduced to Sam Untermayer (1858-1940) of whom I had never heard – so much for the speculation by retards in these threads that I could even qualify to be hasbara!

    But you really are extraordinary narrow in you selection of premises. Amongst what seems to be some overblown choice of words by Untermayer in his should-be-famous August 1933 speech you pick on Jews being “aristocrats”. (I have some recollection that the Christian Disraeli may have used the same word). Presumably he would have justified it by reference to the survival with continuity and shared descent of people who gave the Western world a large part of its cultural foundation – which, to give point by contrast, couldn’t be said of Greeks as ethnic Greeks. But aristocrats *rule* so it is ridiculous to apply that to Jews as a generality since 70AD. However, whatever he meant metaphorically, it is hard to make much of his rousing rhetoric to a presumably largely Jewish audience whom he was effectually enjoining to behave like confident upper class people instead of the craven self seekers he mentioned and criticised.

    I am not sure what point of any importance you seek to make by pointing out that the old universities that helped the emancipated Jews come leaping into and beyond the Enlightenment were Christian or otherwise pre Enlightenment foundations. Is there a point?

    I am also at a loss to know why you draw attention to Untermayer’s 600,000. It was, after all, a pretty well known ballpark figure for the number of Jews in Germany.

    I hope that, if I had been a highminded English or WASP Yankee student listening to Untermayer in August 1933 after only 7 months of Nazi excess I would have avoided confusion by Communists and realised that action to halt the Nazis was vital. Would I start by lamenting that the hope of civilisation lay with a wordy elderly failed drunkard of extravagant habits and hopeless money management called Winston?

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    Agree;

    [Would I start by lamenting that the hope of civilisation lay with a wordy elderly failed drunkard of extravagant habits and hopeless money management called Winston?]
    LOL
  102. @schmenz
    " It’s also no surprise that the welfare of blacks and Latinos was mentioned but not one word about the trials and tribulations of white people in Hussein Obama’s America."

    His shedding of tears over the Poofs was also not very encouraging. Apparently Big Buggery and their media/judicial/corporate supporters will continue to come down hard on anyone who objects to sex perversion under a Trump Administration.

    He said in his speech "I am your protector", or words to that effect. Apparently with his slobbering over the fairies and his pushing Peter Thiel in our faces he will not be the "protector" of those who simply want to be left alone from the predations of the Homo Class.

    I'll be delighted if I am wrong.

    Trump’s pro-poofter posturing is disappointing as his support for the continuation of affirmative action policies that favor every racial group and women at the expense of white males.

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  103. @Kiza
    Writing about infrastructure, your "non-debt phobic PM" (a former director of Goldman Sucks Australia and the biggest crook amongst politicians I have ever seen) has already totally stuffed up the National Broadband Network, what else remains to be stuffed up now? Roads, railways, ports?

    As would be expected, you have no idea what the private or public debt is, you just babble on. Together with Canadians, the Australians are the second highest private debt junkies in the World. When not spending beyond their means, their "investment" is in the mentioned speculative real-estate bubble.

    I finish my final post in our OT "debate" about a f'ed up country worrying about Trump being elected with a link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/d-day-australias-real-estate-bubble

    Thanks for the reference to the ZeroHedge piece which has counteracted my scepticism about ZH from earlier reading to the point of leading me to read the related February piece on the housing bubble. Even so there is a lot missing in relevant figures including population growth and potential housing demand. And nothing is said about possible government and market responses. Australia mightn’t house more bright ideas than the US but it wouldn’t be politically hamstrung into neglecting mortgagees in favour only of bank liquidity.

    And suppose an important segment of the housing market like Melbourne and Sydney high rise apartments tanked with a few distress sales at 75 per cent of last year’s purchase price. I would agree that the potential effect on bank profits and dividends in the Australian context would be the big concern and potentially mean that the self funded retired would be spending less – but especially on foreign holidays. But one has to factor in the very different consequences for the Australian currency in such circumstances compared with the $US. If the $AUS plunged from 76 cents to 60 cents then Singapore and Hong Kong money – if not newly restricted investment from China – would be bound to go for bargains in the real estate market regardless of whether governments decided to pick up cheap student accommodation.
    Add a 20 per cent price decline to the currency advantage and a $500,000 apartment is picked up for $315,000 effectually. And the banks aren’t too fussed because a 20 per cent cut in the value of their security in the currency in which they deal is msnageable. The cost of imports ensures there is the level of inflation (as CPI change anyway) that the Reserve Bank likes so interest rates fon’t have to be cut further.

    Now back to your wild accusations against Turnbull. Evidence please if you are calling him a crook at all, let alone a superlative one in your memory and perception. The worst I have heard is from a lawyer friend and early Internet buccaneer who sold his website and email business to MT’s and Trevor Kennedy’s Ozemail when, not then having met Malcolm Turnbull, I asked what he was like to do business with. The sardonic joking reply was “well I counted my fingers after shaking hands”. Evidence? No.

    As for stuffing up the NBN. What’s your case?

    Don’t you remember that Rudd promised a <$5 billion scheme at the 2007 election and then, being accused of failure and not knowing what he was doing, had his Minister of Communications Stephen Conroy join him on the flight he was making to Brisbane and, in less than hour, they came out with an arbitrarily and grossly erroneous estimated cost of $43 (or 42) billion for a nationwide Fibre-to-the-Premises rollout by a new government body which sent every tech head who'd never even considered budgeting or the cost-benefit (let alone the time value of money) into orgasmic celebration and endless breathless blogging. Despite rollouts in some country electorates promised as bribes for votes to their independent members the NBN was so far behind schedule and over cost by the time Labor lost office that it might as well never have begun. Please note if you live in a compact country with compact cities that comparisons sometimes made between South Korea's gee whiz fibre network and what is appropriate for efficient and economically justified speeding up of the internet in Australia are ludicrously irrelevant to reality. Anyone who wants much faster than copper wire ADSL2+ speeds in Australia can get them with only a little ingenuity.

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  104. @NoseytheDuke
    More than likely the money will be used to buy up strategic assets and property on the cheap after a great financial crash and then what will remain is a modern version of feudalism.

    Lets be crystal clear on the Nosey,

    If someone informs me a foreign country is an absolute imminent threat to our nation, that said country has deposited ANTHRAX spores in our capitol and in our news rooms, then we proceed to war against it at a cost of several TRILLION DOLLARS……

    And then we find out, after the fact, it was all LIES…..

    This is not OKAY.

    Not okay ..AT ALL !

    I want my MONEY BACK, Nosey,

    EVERY….. DAMN …….PENNY !.

    Don’t you ?

    And I will vote for the guy who will go out and get it for me !

    Put em all in jail, seize all their assets, clean house and claw it back.

    be swift and merciless….and you got my VOTE !

    Send in the f#cking marines,….but GET IT DONE !

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  105. @Wizard of Oz
    You still haven't told me where I can find my full context to see exactly what I was probably assuming and thinking (using one thumb on a smartphone is bad for speed as well as spelling) but I presume that I had affirmed something about it being the Holocaust of Jews being the greatest crime against German civilisation and culture. I may have had at the back of my mind a Spectator article of about 26 years ago which said "Hitler wasn't a nationalist: he was a racist" because he destroyed the educated Jewish bearers of German/Western-modern culture throughout Eastern Europe. I suppose that only adds intellectual derangement to the primitive pre-Christian tribalism savagery of the Nazis.... But I have no doubt that Ashkenazi Jews were a resource for the betterment of our lot to be treasured by Westerners (especially after the creators of modernity stopped having large families) in a way that wasn't applicable to gypsies or peasant Slav soldiers for that matter. I am astonished that you do not seem to have taken notice of the abundant proofs of significantly higher than German or English or Fench or Dutch average IQ amongst Ashkenazim (and probably many true ex-Iberian Sephardim) AND that this has been important for the furthering of what started in NW Europe, especially Britain south of Aberdeen, about 500 years ago. While I have enjoyed a Stefan Grapelli jazz violin concert enormously (as I did an Oscar Peterson jazz piano concert in Charleston) I couldn't pretend that such phenomena made the contributions of gypsies of African-Americans to civilisation and culture even remotely comparable to that of Jews.

    There are of course fascinating by-ways to traverse (which I understand could give some who don't share my particular mental data base and preconceptions a sense of moral blindness to the truly important - though they may in fact be taken as obvious givens). For example Paul Johnson's** marvellous History of the Jews notes how disdainful established German Jews were about the highly visible Ost Juden flocking into the Hapsburg and Hohenstaufen domains. (And that reminds me of the disdain expressed for the long black coat of a distinguished Jewish barrister, educated in non-Jewish institutions before the post WW2 creation of them, who later became a superior court judge, by an equally distinguished scholar and lawyer whose poor mother was Jewish. I think the latter was expressing objection to the idea of the former becoming a member of the old Anglo gentleman's club to which he himself had belonged for many years - and which, contrary to popular media and Jewish community myth actually had some real Jewish members - though I do remember going to the Anglican funeral of one of them!).

    One of the by-ways emerges from the Jews of Eastern Europe outbreeding (their welcome and) the availability of jobs and business opportunities which had presumably till about 1650 contributed to their being selected for whatever IQ measures. Many of the Jewish inmigrants to the US from about the 1870s to 1925 were illiterate though no doubt respectful of book learning in a way not true of gypsies or any but by and large Protestant Christians. Their children and grandchildren, even if they could only get into City College of NY, became distinguished scientists to the point where the 2 per cent of Americans who are Jews have won 25 per cent of the Nobel Prizes.

    And so on.... More to say below.

    **PJ, né Cassidy, is staunchly Catholic.

    •Wizard of Oz
    July 29, 2016 at 6:08 pm GMT • 100 Words

    If you consider that Germany shared the leading edge of our Western civilisation and yet succumbed to the Nazis’ mad wickedness is it not easy to see the near destruction of European Jewry as the great crime of more than just the 20th century?

    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe. I would emphasise that Hitler was putting pure racism ahead of German nationalism. The Holocaust was not only a grotesque reversion to the ways of primitive humanity but a ghastly offence against German culture.

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    OK not very Christian of me but I can't help tossing into my set of Sentencing Guidelines the setting back of humanity on what used to be regarded favourably as the progressive post Enlightenment post Scientific and Industrial Revolutions course. I suppose that prejudice places me on the whole of the spectrum from regarding the Taliban's destruction of the Biddhas as aggravating their wickedness to lamenting the loss of great science which may have flowed from Nazi killing of Jews in a way that simply couldn't have been expected of gypsies (any more than tribal Iraqis). The wording may have been inflenced as previously noted by the point made about Hitler not being a nationalist but just a racist because, in killing Jews, he was not infrequently killing representatives of the highest German culture.
  106. @Rurik

    Where are we going to get the trillions to pay for this obscene , pathetic , and largely fabricated “war on terror” ?
     
    where do you think the Federal Reserve gets it Alexander?

    they just f'n print it. Or, more precisely, they hit a few keys on their computer keyboard. What do you think Quantitative Easing is Alexander?

    it's the Fed hitting some keys on their computer and **poof**, there another trillion or two!

    sure, some of the debt that we owe is legitimate treasury bonds bought by individuals and funds and foreign governments, and we're on the hook for those. But the rest of it is just made up numbers that these guys from the big banks tell us they loaned us, and we need to pay them back, plus interest. But it's our money. They didn't loan us anything but our own money, that now they want to charge us all interest on.

    It's a pure scam. And all we need to do it tell them to fuck off, and we don't owe them anything. In fact, if they go quietly, we might not prosecute them and toss their criminal arses in prison. That's the deal of it. They're crooks, and scammers, and they've been allowed to run this scam because our entire congress are rotten and corrupt. Except Ron Paul and maybe a few others.

    The history of the Fed is a little more complicated, but it's all there.

    all we need to do is close it down, and pay off the bond holders, and we'd be free of these super criminals who have their greedy hands in our Treasury and in our wallets

    they tell us we can't just print the money because that'd cause inflation, but that's exactly what they've been causing ever since they created the scam.

    [But the rest of it is just made up numbers that these guys from the big banks tell us they loaned us]

    That statement is all one needs know to dismiss your habitual rants on the Fed [and much else].

    Spend a bit [or a great deal] of effort to learn accounting. Look up the definition of Excess Reserves held at the Fed, and then we can have a meaningful debate; all else is just plain a-Paul-ing.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/current/

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  107. @Intelligent Dasein
    When you stop to think about it, it is truly astonishing that the fate of this little make-believe country on the Mediterranean coast could come to occupy such a prominent place in the minds of America's political elite.

    What is going on here? What is Israel, really? An international crime syndicate? A nuclear-armed flash mob? Yes it is these things, but to Western elites it is something more besides. It is the clearest vision yet glimpsed of their hearts' desire. In its internationalism, its "freedom" from all constraints of place, from any rules not of its own making; in its boundless faith in the power of money, its contempt for labor, its insouciant declaration that all the world's spoil rightly belongs to it; in its bellicosity, its hubris, its ruthless self-assurance rooted in a religious ideal that has long since banished God to the attic---in all these things, it is exactly what our elites aspire to be.

    The upper strata of European-American society is grafting itself heart and soul into the same Jewish-sprung cosmopolitanism that produced Bolshevism and crony capitalism. There is no need any longer to posit a secret cabal of Jewish schemers bent on world domination. Our elites, at heart, are already Jews.

    Perfidious Jews.

    You are a fantasist loon. Israel occupies a very high profile in United States politics because it funds huge advocacy organisations in a way that often amounts to simple bribery and because of evangelicals. European elites are overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian precisely because they cherish the internationalism you are raving about. The European left is stridently anti-Israel. Israel is a reasonably successful, mildly conservative and increasingly religious nation state in a shitty neighborhood; it’s about the worst candidate for icon of globalist atheism that you can imagine. Get a grip.

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  108. @alexander
    I see what you are saying, but you still don't quite understand my point.


    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of....is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..

    This is exactly why our debt has BALLOONED from 5.7 trillion in 2000 to 21 trillion today.

    This kind of fiscal carnage is absolutely unprecedented in American history .

    It has to be the greatest and most sustained Neocon TERRORIST ASSAULT on the solvency and credit worthiness of our Nation .......in history.

    But the debt for these stupid, stupid wars still has to be paid for, Rurik .....and nobody knows where the money is going to come from, to pay for it ?

    Are you going to pay for it?


    The fact that our federal government has the power to run a deficit has been hijacked and exploited by these goons to the tune of 15 TRILLION DOLLARS and they have been pocketing hundreds of billions in pure profit on these bogus wars at the expense of all of us and every future generation of Americans........ for the next 200 years.

    It is an absolute fiasco, a train wreck, a total fiscal nightmare.

    And they know it too....oh boy..... do they know it.

    alexander,
    Your position is approaching a sensible construct, something which you and I discussed some months ago [and I perhaps failed to impress on account of the combative turn the discussion took]. So here I shall start by making a number of simple points:

    (1) You are exactly correct regarding the wasteful nature of debt financed wars. The spending on these generally benefit defence contractors and arms manufacturers, with little or nothing trickling to the middle classes.

    (2) Debt financed spending is beneficial as ‘automatic stabilisers’ when an economy suffers an unforeseen headwind in the form of a natural disaster, war destruction etc.

    (3) Debt financed spending is also indicated in circumstances such as in our present condition, where interest rates are at historic lows and high return infrastructure investments are clearly available.

    (4) Rurik and NosytheDuke are, as usual, entirely wrong. Federal Reserve purchases do not necessarily lead to greater future deficits for the federal balance sheet, as has been the case in recent years for the reason of seignorage, where the interest sent to the central bank is returned to the Treasury. [Read More

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    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

    for some reason this did not work in the main body for point (4)

    and

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HDTGPDUSQ163N

    for point (6)

  109. @SolontoCroesus
    iffen, as I understand the facts, it was not Jews who were "genocided" but Germans -- and Russians.

    Can't complete the critique of Untermeyer's statement right now -- vinegar-&-oil dressing impacted keyboard; touchpad crazy.

    later

    How is genocide measured – is it the intent, i.e. to remove a specific ethnic group – or is it the outcome, i.e. numbers or percentage deaths?

    I don’t know what your understanding is but if you subscribe to the theory that Jewish people were rounded up into camps ready for transfer to Israel but that many died of typhus whilst waiting, then wouldn’t the deaths by typhus still be eligible for genocide?

    Who is Untermeyer, why did he make that speech?

    Do you eat salad while typing?

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    Do you eat salad while typing?
     
    Nah.
    Preparing our contribution to neighborhood block party for "National Light Up Night," aka social-engineering-to-normalize-over-policing-of-the-American-body-politic celebration.

    I was looking online for something I could add to salad dressing that would reverse the effects of years of brainwashing (see SEtNOPotABP).

    The good news is there are great videos on repairing the damage wrought by spilt wine. It took more time to find the right screwdriver than to remove, clean and replace the trackpad. Works great. (btw, the Best Buy computer tool kit does not include the necessary triwing driver).
  110. @NoseytheDuke
    Sorry but Rurik is correct, the government prints bonds not dollars and then uses the bonds as security on loans which must be repaid to the (private) Fed with interest requiring more loans. It's the fed that prints the dollars in a never ending debt cycle.

    Nonsense. Bonds and dollars are the same, the former with longer maturities and the latter instantaneously maturing. Private loans are made by banks for which interest is charged. The Fed returns interest charged on bonds to the treasury.

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    • Replies: @helena
    I hope you weren't laughing at typhus!

    How've you been? I've been on a whirlwind of party politics. People keep complaining about the chaos but I've learned more about how government works in the last month than I did in the rest of my life. I've even got a vote in the upcoming leadership election. What to do? Support Corbyn and send the country down the road to Cuba Remix or support Smith, trigger a second referendum and send the markets into spasms of Uncertainty they may never recover from.

    Regarding economics, Fed etc. I have no idea what you are on about but I am sure you're right.
  111. @iffen
    •Wizard of Oz
    July 29, 2016 at 6:08 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Anonymous


    If you consider that Germany shared the leading edge of our Western civilisation and yet succumbed to the Nazis’ mad wickedness is it not easy to see the near destruction of European Jewry as the great crime of more than just the 20th century?

    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe. I would emphasise that Hitler was putting pure racism ahead of German nationalism. The Holocaust was not only a grotesque reversion to the ways of primitive humanity but a ghastly offence against German culture.

    OK not very Christian of me but I can’t help tossing into my set of Sentencing Guidelines the setting back of humanity on what used to be regarded favourably as the progressive post Enlightenment post Scientific and Industrial Revolutions course. I suppose that prejudice places me on the whole of the spectrum from regarding the Taliban’s destruction of the Biddhas as aggravating their wickedness to lamenting the loss of great science which may have flowed from Nazi killing of Jews in a way that simply couldn’t have been expected of gypsies (any more than tribal Iraqis). The wording may have been inflenced as previously noted by the point made about Hitler not being a nationalist but just a racist because, in killing Jews, he was not infrequently killing representatives of the highest German culture.

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    OK not very Christian of me

    It strikes me as being akin to how I think the Nazis thought.
  112. @Wizard of Oz
    OK not very Christian of me but I can't help tossing into my set of Sentencing Guidelines the setting back of humanity on what used to be regarded favourably as the progressive post Enlightenment post Scientific and Industrial Revolutions course. I suppose that prejudice places me on the whole of the spectrum from regarding the Taliban's destruction of the Biddhas as aggravating their wickedness to lamenting the loss of great science which may have flowed from Nazi killing of Jews in a way that simply couldn't have been expected of gypsies (any more than tribal Iraqis). The wording may have been inflenced as previously noted by the point made about Hitler not being a nationalist but just a racist because, in killing Jews, he was not infrequently killing representatives of the highest German culture.

    OK not very Christian of me

    It strikes me as being akin to how I think the Nazis thought.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Any one of us, at any particular point in time have for one reason or another, thought of destroying someone [an internet anonymous for that purpose is handy :) ] . I am sure Wiz would in real life, not make that value judgement re: a Jew over a gypsy. [sayeth I, a Jew who on one occasion, was relieved of his wallet, passport and protein bar, by a group of gyp-critters at Gare St. Lazare in the Paris Metro]
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You are speaking from gut instinct - a fine traditional one in our civilisation it is true - as evidenced by your failing to explain what on the face of it is the direct opposite of the fact. I.e. the Nazis did not discriminate between Jews and gypsies and, if anything, treated the Jews worse because of their dangerous abilities.
  113. @Wizard of Oz
    Fascinating to be introduced to Sam Untermayer (1858-1940) of whom I had never heard - so much for the speculation by retards in these threads that I could even qualify to be hasbara!

    But you really are extraordinary narrow in you selection of premises. Amongst what seems to be some overblown choice of words by Untermayer in his should-be-famous August 1933 speech you pick on Jews being "aristocrats". (I have some recollection that the Christian Disraeli may have used the same word). Presumably he would have justified it by reference to the survival with continuity and shared descent of people who gave the Western world a large part of its cultural foundation - which, to give point by contrast, couldn't be said of Greeks as ethnic Greeks. But aristocrats *rule* so it is ridiculous to apply that to Jews as a generality since 70AD. However, whatever he meant metaphorically, it is hard to make much of his rousing rhetoric to a presumably largely Jewish audience whom he was effectually enjoining to behave like confident upper class people instead of the craven self seekers he mentioned and criticised.

    I am not sure what point of any importance you seek to make by pointing out that the old universities that helped the emancipated Jews come leaping into and beyond the Enlightenment were Christian or otherwise pre Enlightenment foundations. Is there a point?

    I am also at a loss to know why you draw attention to Untermayer's 600,000. It was, after all, a pretty well known ballpark figure for the number of Jews in Germany.

    I hope that, if I had been a highminded English or WASP Yankee student listening to Untermayer in August 1933 after only 7 months of Nazi excess I would have avoided confusion by Communists and realised that action to halt the Nazis was vital. Would I start by lamenting that the hope of civilisation lay with a wordy elderly failed drunkard of extravagant habits and hopeless money management called Winston?

    Agree;

    [Would I start by lamenting that the hope of civilisation lay with a wordy elderly failed drunkard of extravagant habits and hopeless money management called Winston?]
    LOL

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  114. @NoseytheDuke
    Interesting that Iran has the largest population of Jews in the ME outside of Israel and they don't support zionism.

    Whether or not you are correct in saying that Iran has the second largest Jewish populaton in the ME – and I accept that you probably are – are you not being very naive in saying that thosr Jews don’t support Zionism? Even if it was just a statement in a synagogue that of course Israel had the right to exist as any kind of sovereign, let alone Jewish, state would be dealt with by the police or Revolutionary Guard, or judiciary…. well, how, do you think?

    I have, by the way, heard a Bedouin mayor of an Israeli town tell a group of foreigners, including Jews, that he didn’t recognise Israel’s right to exist. This was in Israel.

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  115. @iffen
    Thanks. I don't know enough about the movement of Jewish students in this time frame to make many comments. Taking what you quote at face value, it makes sense to me that a literate people would go to the best educational institutions available if they were allowed to do so. I'm guessing that German and Austrian institutions were in a class beyond Russian ones.

    As to the other question raised by WOZ, I am not prepared to do any kind of scorecard of Jews vs. non-Jews as to cultural and scientific contributions for this time period.

    My point was that if genocide is morally wrong, how can you decide the genocide of one group is "more" wrong than another?

    iffen, this is a serious question, not one of my not-infrequent elbow pokes –

    Where do you get your information?

    I looked over your comments, did a random sample– specifically, looked over the first page of entries (approx 200 comments per) in each of your July & December 2015, then May and Aug 2016, in all, about 750 comments (Aug = only 50). I noticed that you posted only ONE link to an information source — an education journal, iirc, and one other cut-and-paste of information — it was from wikipedia, about 1830.

    You commented here –
    “People can just make up shit. How would we know?”

    I have posted some pretty controversial information in support of my hypotheses and opinions, but I try to support most of the information with links to books, videos, etc.

    You’ve posted pretty dogmatic (orthodoxly so) views re Germany in WWII. Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    After all, “People can just make up shit. How would we know?”

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    iffen, this is a serious question, not one of my not-infrequent elbow pokes –
    Where do you get your information?


    Serious answer.

    It is the culmination of my reading over the years. I currently have many books in my reading queue and I really should devote more time to the reading list rather than UR articles and comments, even though the selection of many of the titles are inspired by information seen here, or questions raised here, perhaps even by your some or your comments.

    I have posted some pretty controversial information in support of my hypotheses and opinions, but I try to support most of the information with links to books, videos, etc.

    I work full time and have many other time consuming interests. I do not have the time to cite facts that support my opinions. I think that it is quite clear that I mostly give opinion and I am not masquerading as some sort of teacher or history guru. As I told Helena, people with preconceived ideas have little trouble picking and choosing facts that support their ideas.

    After all, “People can just make up shit. How would we know?”

    I would be delighted if someone would point out something that I made up. I would love to be challenged on some mistaken belief or incorrect fact.

    You’ve posted pretty dogmatic (orthodoxly so) views re Germany in WWII. Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    Conventional history books. No.
  116. @iffen
    OK not very Christian of me

    It strikes me as being akin to how I think the Nazis thought.

    Any one of us, at any particular point in time have for one reason or another, thought of destroying someone [an internet anonymous for that purpose is handy :) ] . I am sure Wiz would in real life, not make that value judgement re: a Jew over a gypsy. [sayeth I, a Jew who on one occasion, was relieved of his wallet, passport and protein bar, by a group of gyp-critters at Gare St. Lazare in the Paris Metro]

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    There is certainly a big difference between theorising and acting and all sorts of factors come into it.

    For example, if I was demented without hope of remission I would want to be knocked off in the way which would give maximum financial relief of not benefit to the family. But I don't think I would like the younger members of my family to be the sort of person who could do it.

    If it was a matter of only being able to hide one person threatened with certain desth and the choice was between a learned old rabbi with many children and a brilliant young gypsy violinist I have no trouble supposing that I would choose the gypsy.

    But in 1000 hypothetical cases which depended on my abstract values and sense of probable outcomes I can easily imagine Jews being saved ahead of gypsies. OK no problem you may say. "I can see you are makinga utilitarian judgment** after looking at individuals as individuals". But what about group judgments? Same utilitarian criteria but likely to be on less precise evidence and more subject tobideological or H-bd generalisations/prejudices. Yes I would divert the SS to the gypsy camp and rush off to tell the Jews tonleave the stetl in all probability rather than the other way round if one couldn't somehow save both. Of course I like to think I cpuld have sent the SS put on to a freshly frozen lake...
    **hard questions, even harder questions, would arise when preserving those who might for a time look after children could be a choice. But "women and children first" hss its limits if none of them could stop the lifeboat from sinking and in the endeating the cabin boy might be defensible!
  117. @SolontoCroesus
    iffen, this is a serious question, not one of my not-infrequent elbow pokes --

    Where do you get your information?

    I looked over your comments, did a random sample-- specifically, looked over the first page of entries (approx 200 comments per) in each of your July & December 2015, then May and Aug 2016, in all, about 750 comments (Aug = only 50). I noticed that you posted only ONE link to an information source -- an education journal, iirc, and one other cut-and-paste of information -- it was from wikipedia, about 1830.

    You commented here --
    "People can just make up shit. How would we know?"

    I have posted some pretty controversial information in support of my hypotheses and opinions, but I try to support most of the information with links to books, videos, etc.

    You've posted pretty dogmatic (orthodoxly so) views re Germany in WWII. Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    After all, "People can just make up shit. How would we know?"

    iffen, this is a serious question, not one of my not-infrequent elbow pokes –
    Where do you get your information?

    Serious answer.

    It is the culmination of my reading over the years. I currently have many books in my reading queue and I really should devote more time to the reading list rather than UR articles and comments, even though the selection of many of the titles are inspired by information seen here, or questions raised here, perhaps even by your some or your comments.

    I have posted some pretty controversial information in support of my hypotheses and opinions, but I try to support most of the information with links to books, videos, etc.

    I work full time and have many other time consuming interests. I do not have the time to cite facts that support my opinions. I think that it is quite clear that I mostly give opinion and I am not masquerading as some sort of teacher or history guru. As I told Helena, people with preconceived ideas have little trouble picking and choosing facts that support their ideas.

    After all, “People can just make up shit. How would we know?”

    I would be delighted if someone would point out something that I made up. I would love to be challenged on some mistaken belief or incorrect fact.

    You’ve posted pretty dogmatic (orthodoxly so) views re Germany in WWII. Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    Conventional history books. No.

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    Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    Conventional history books. No.
     

     
    Does "conventional history books" include, for example, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by Wm. Shirer; The Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black, and FDR and the Jews, by Richard Breitman & Allen Lichtman?
    , @helena
    "I would love to be challenged on some mistaken belief or incorrect fact. "

    I do it all the time by it's like water off a duck's back. What for instance is a Jewspiracy? The spiracy is just the sum of the different streams of power. The Old Boy Network was a spiracy but now it's been deconstructed.
  118. @helena
    How is genocide measured - is it the intent, i.e. to remove a specific ethnic group - or is it the outcome, i.e. numbers or percentage deaths?

    I don't know what your understanding is but if you subscribe to the theory that Jewish people were rounded up into camps ready for transfer to Israel but that many died of typhus whilst waiting, then wouldn't the deaths by typhus still be eligible for genocide?

    Who is Untermeyer, why did he make that speech?

    Do you eat salad while typing?

    Do you eat salad while typing?

    Nah.
    Preparing our contribution to neighborhood block party for “National Light Up Night,” aka social-engineering-to-normalize-over-policing-of-the-American-body-politic celebration.

    I was looking online for something I could add to salad dressing that would reverse the effects of years of brainwashing (see SEtNOPotABP).

    The good news is there are great videos on repairing the damage wrought by spilt wine. It took more time to find the right screwdriver than to remove, clean and replace the trackpad. Works great. (btw, the Best Buy computer tool kit does not include the necessary triwing driver).

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  119. @iffen
    iffen, this is a serious question, not one of my not-infrequent elbow pokes –
    Where do you get your information?


    Serious answer.

    It is the culmination of my reading over the years. I currently have many books in my reading queue and I really should devote more time to the reading list rather than UR articles and comments, even though the selection of many of the titles are inspired by information seen here, or questions raised here, perhaps even by your some or your comments.

    I have posted some pretty controversial information in support of my hypotheses and opinions, but I try to support most of the information with links to books, videos, etc.

    I work full time and have many other time consuming interests. I do not have the time to cite facts that support my opinions. I think that it is quite clear that I mostly give opinion and I am not masquerading as some sort of teacher or history guru. As I told Helena, people with preconceived ideas have little trouble picking and choosing facts that support their ideas.

    After all, “People can just make up shit. How would we know?”

    I would be delighted if someone would point out something that I made up. I would love to be challenged on some mistaken belief or incorrect fact.

    You’ve posted pretty dogmatic (orthodoxly so) views re Germany in WWII. Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    Conventional history books. No.

    Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    Conventional history books. No.

    Does “conventional history books” include, for example, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by Wm. Shirer; The Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black, and FDR and the Jews, by Richard Breitman & Allen Lichtman?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    I think that I read some excerpts and reviews of the Rise & Fall in the late 60’s, but did not read the book. Looking at the descriptions of the other two, they both look like topics that could be covered in a good extra length essay.

    Have you read the Trilogy by Evans? The presentation at Amazon appealed to me. I might consider it. I really have a lot of other history that I am concerned about, although I am intrigued by questions about the run-up to both World Wars.
  120. @Sam Shama
    alexander,
    Your position is approaching a sensible construct, something which you and I discussed some months ago [and I perhaps failed to impress on account of the combative turn the discussion took]. So here I shall start by making a number of simple points:

    (1) You are exactly correct regarding the wasteful nature of debt financed wars. The spending on these generally benefit defence contractors and arms manufacturers, with little or nothing trickling to the middle classes.

    (2) Debt financed spending is beneficial as 'automatic stabilisers' when an economy suffers an unforeseen headwind in the form of a natural disaster, war destruction etc.

    (3) Debt financed spending is also indicated in circumstances such as in our present condition, where interest rates are at historic lows and high return infrastructure investments are clearly available.

    (4) Rurik and NosytheDuke are, as usual, entirely wrong. Federal Reserve purchases do not necessarily lead to greater future deficits for the federal balance sheet, as has been the case in recent years for the reason of seignorage, where the interest sent to the central bank is returned to the Treasury. [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S] Notice that the deficit reduced harmonically from about -9.8% at the depths of the recession to -2.5% in 2015 and it continues to drop or stabilise there.

    (5) The Fed does not 'give' money to the banks, which then stuff Jewish pockets [it goes 'poof' in Rurik's magic kingdom]. The banks hope ordinary small business borrowing and consumer borrowing results following QE, thereby resetting the economy. Now this has not happened at any appreciable level, since consumers and businesses have retracted on account of a lack of visibility regarding good, permanent jobs in the future. Thus all this credit [money] is SITTING as Excess Reserves held at the Fed, for the accounts of the commercial banks.

    (6) While the Federal Debt level had indeed risen from $6 tr to $21tr, during the same period private debt [both comsumer and small business] has fallen [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HDTGPDUSQ163N] from about 100% of GDP to around 79.7%. This tells you that in many ways the economy is a 'closed system', where the contraction in the household balance sheet is simply offset by an expansion in our federal balance sheet debt. Debt levels in many other smaller portions of the economic jigsaw have also reduced as the Federal debt has risen.

    (7) All that matters, can be encapsulated in agreeing that we (a) spend the federal debt not for wars but for infrastructure (b) reduce the increasing inequality in wealth and income [a separate discussion required as to why this in needed not for efficiency but for levels]


    ** On a related matter I spotted in another thread yesterday, NosytheDuke and Wiz [and others] were engaged on the topic of Australia's fiscal/monetary policies during the 1996-2016 period I believe, and the subject of sale of Gold was being debated. In that discussion NtD made the point that Gold was sold at the 'low' thereby resulting in an opportunity loss. But this is flawed thinking. For one, central banks are lenders of the last resort and not market-to-market like hedge funds. The Aussie CB/Treasury complex did the correct thing. U.S. bonds at that time had a duration weighted yield of about 6% , which from the current perspective is an incredible return [not that the Aussie CB was particularly basing its operation with an eye to this, but rather that it needed the gold sales to boost surplus and earn a coupon from the world's premier reserve bonds rather than incur storage costs]. Furthermore even if the gold bullion was not sold but held ,and then sold at the highs in 2012-13 [a ridiculous notion that would equate the CB operating as a hedge fund with perfect foresight, of which there are none!] the capital gains would have been comparable [not that CBs account for cap gains] to holding the same sums in the US 10-yr bond through 2016. Check the numbers NtD.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

    for some reason this did not work in the main body for point (4)

    and

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HDTGPDUSQ163N

    for point (6)

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  121. @SolontoCroesus

    Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    Conventional history books. No.
     

     
    Does "conventional history books" include, for example, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by Wm. Shirer; The Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black, and FDR and the Jews, by Richard Breitman & Allen Lichtman?

    I think that I read some excerpts and reviews of the Rise & Fall in the late 60’s, but did not read the book. Looking at the descriptions of the other two, they both look like topics that could be covered in a good extra length essay.

    Have you read the Trilogy by Evans? The presentation at Amazon appealed to me. I might consider it. I really have a lot of other history that I am concerned about, although I am intrigued by questions about the run-up to both World Wars.

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  122. @Sam Shama
    Nonsense. Bonds and dollars are the same, the former with longer maturities and the latter instantaneously maturing. Private loans are made by banks for which interest is charged. The Fed returns interest charged on bonds to the treasury.

    I hope you weren’t laughing at typhus!

    How’ve you been? I’ve been on a whirlwind of party politics. People keep complaining about the chaos but I’ve learned more about how government works in the last month than I did in the rest of my life. I’ve even got a vote in the upcoming leadership election. What to do? Support Corbyn and send the country down the road to Cuba Remix or support Smith, trigger a second referendum and send the markets into spasms of Uncertainty they may never recover from.

    Regarding economics, Fed etc. I have no idea what you are on about but I am sure you’re right.

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    Hello Helena,

    No, I wasn't laughing at the typhus. I couldn't help bursting out at your short and witty question regarding salad and typing [oil and vinegar, they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    How government works - sausage making or fine art - is a question of taste I suppose, either one of which I find passably interesting, although I hasten to add that the present leadership elections hold the potential to be more transformative than many in recent decades. I am instinctively wary of Labour. Smith I cannot suffer [didn't he say something to the effect that Labour had not taken the steps to smack Theresa "back on her heels" or something?].

    I looked at the outline of Corbyn's economic plan: a million jobs and a £500bn investment programme covering infrastructure, industry and the construction of a million new homes, half of them council-owned. Now that is something I can wholeheartedly get behind.

    Has he said anything about labour movements related to immigration?

    Well, hope you have a bit of fun along the way to the votes. Meanwhile here we battle with the penny-dreadfuls splattering the front pages with enough material on Trump to make the editors of The Sun go green with envy!
  123. @iffen
    iffen, this is a serious question, not one of my not-infrequent elbow pokes –
    Where do you get your information?


    Serious answer.

    It is the culmination of my reading over the years. I currently have many books in my reading queue and I really should devote more time to the reading list rather than UR articles and comments, even though the selection of many of the titles are inspired by information seen here, or questions raised here, perhaps even by your some or your comments.

    I have posted some pretty controversial information in support of my hypotheses and opinions, but I try to support most of the information with links to books, videos, etc.

    I work full time and have many other time consuming interests. I do not have the time to cite facts that support my opinions. I think that it is quite clear that I mostly give opinion and I am not masquerading as some sort of teacher or history guru. As I told Helena, people with preconceived ideas have little trouble picking and choosing facts that support their ideas.

    After all, “People can just make up shit. How would we know?”

    I would be delighted if someone would point out something that I made up. I would love to be challenged on some mistaken belief or incorrect fact.

    You’ve posted pretty dogmatic (orthodoxly so) views re Germany in WWII. Where do you get your information? Have you ever questioned it?

    Conventional history books. No.

    “I would love to be challenged on some mistaken belief or incorrect fact. ”

    I do it all the time by it’s like water off a duck’s back. What for instance is a Jewspiracy? The spiracy is just the sum of the different streams of power. The Old Boy Network was a spiracy but now it’s been deconstructed.

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    I do it all the time by it’s like water off a duck’s back.

    Well, quack, quack and right back atcha. :)

    I have written along the following lines to you more than once:

    "I don’t dispute the success of Ashkenazi Jews. I don’t dispute the disproportionate influence of the Jewish lobby/Lobby."


    I guess I don’t do a good job of discriminating among the Holocaust deniers and Hitler fanboys and I end up lumping them altogether. Many of them write like Jews are some sort of extraterrestrial being that has created a Jew matrix and we all live in it.
  124. @alexander
    I see what you are saying, but you still don't quite understand my point.


    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of....is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..

    This is exactly why our debt has BALLOONED from 5.7 trillion in 2000 to 21 trillion today.

    This kind of fiscal carnage is absolutely unprecedented in American history .

    It has to be the greatest and most sustained Neocon TERRORIST ASSAULT on the solvency and credit worthiness of our Nation .......in history.

    But the debt for these stupid, stupid wars still has to be paid for, Rurik .....and nobody knows where the money is going to come from, to pay for it ?

    Are you going to pay for it?


    The fact that our federal government has the power to run a deficit has been hijacked and exploited by these goons to the tune of 15 TRILLION DOLLARS and they have been pocketing hundreds of billions in pure profit on these bogus wars at the expense of all of us and every future generation of Americans........ for the next 200 years.

    It is an absolute fiasco, a train wreck, a total fiscal nightmare.

    And they know it too....oh boy..... do they know it.

    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of….is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..

    debt to whom Alexander?

    to whom is that money owed?

    it’s owed to us! It’s our money!

    Yes, we owe and have to pay back the bond holders, that’s true, but what we can do- what is always done- is you simply print money to pay back these debts. When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that’s why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they’re just ‘easing’ the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it’s causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don’t notice it. But they’re not using the money to pay off the debts the American people “owe”, they’re using the money to prop up corrupt regimes and foist wars and consolidate their power and enrich their cronies, as usual.

    But the rub is that we’re allowing these scumbag bankers to ease our money over to other central bankers in Europe and Asia and we’re not getting the benefits, but rather other banksters are getting the benefits, and we’re getting the wars and rust belts. It’s a fucking scam!

    Wall Street is getting the benefits, because the Fed is busy buying up their fraudulent debts, created with assorted ‘Credit Default Swaps’ and ‘Collateralized Debt Obligations’, and other assorted convoluted scams and frauds that are wayyy too complicated for even the banksters themselves to really understand.

    It takes super-criminals like Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers to come up with this stuff. But at its core, it’s all a rotten swindle, that we only need to tell them is over. And put the cuffs on them all.

    I see Sam laughably posted a link to the official Federal Reserve site. What a joke!

    you know what they tell us? They tell us that sure, they’re tossing around many trillions of dollars all over the place, and collecting interest and controlling all the big banks, but this is the thing Alex, they’re doing it all for our own good! They’re just trying to make sure we all prosper and thrive! That’s why the Federal Reserve Banksters caused the Great Depression, and looted the entire economy, to help us all!!! That’s why the blew up the housing bubble, and then popped it, to help us all!!!

    and this is the kicker.. after it’s all said and done, at the end of each year, they look at all the trillions and billions and hundreds of billions in interest rates, and they decide what’s the tiniest fair amount that they deserve for protecting our money and protecting the economy, and then they selflessly return to the Treasury what they don’t need! Isn’t that amazing!

    So the main thing is that all this debt is our money, and the US dollar is our money. We can print it ourselves. We can hit our own keys on our own computer and send how ever many trillions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and China that we want to. They may say, ‘hey, we worked hard for that money, and you paid us off by hitting some keys on your computer, and just created trillion$ out of thin air!’ And we could say ‘yep, we sure did’. And that’s how it works. Only instead of China being the dupe, it’s the American people that have been playing the dupe.

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…. I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

    ~ Jefferson

    Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

    ~ Jackson

    in fact, the American revolutionary war was fought in main part because the Bank of England wanted to force the colonies to use its debt based currency, and the founders rightly understood that to mean perpetual slavery. And then again, with the war of 1812, Rothschild was again trying to foist his London based central bank on the nation. They never relent.

    the fist thing these fiends did when they overthrew Gadaffi was impose a central bank on that ravaged nation. They’re the epitome of evil, because they use their power for more power and to impose their will on everyone. Both world wars were horror-shows were of their doing. The Eternal War is their doing. And it will never, ever end unless we end the Fed. Or the rest of the world does it for us by stop using the US dollar as their reserve currency. Because the whole thing is a gigantic fraud, all based on illusion.

    look at Gecko talking about the value of his painting, ‘the illusion has become real’

    that’s the same thing with the dollar

    its a fiat currency. We can print all we want of it and hand it to anyone who we owe, and that’d be the end of it. Since it was removed from the gold standard it’s simply a piece of paper whose value is determined not by any market, but by what we say it is. And if there’s a problems, well then they just send in the Plunge Protection Team, and put pressure on OPEC or the ECB.

    It’s all a scam, and it’s all being run by a tiny handful of international central bankers who all answer to the house of Rothschild.

    did you know that at some point some journalist or someone called some of the Jewish “Russian” oligarchs that looted Russia under Yeltsin; Rothschild agents- and then those stupid oligarchs sued in court, the journalists won, because it came out that they were indeed Rothschld agents!

    The rot all points to one festering, stinking rat hole. And all we need to do is clean out that rat hole, and free mankind. And all the wars for Zionism and destabilizations in Syria and Ukraine and all this manufactured strife and monopolization of the corporate world and all the cultural degeneracy will end like **that**. Poof.

    well, maybe not like that. But give it a year or two, and you’d see what I’m talking about. ;)

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Ok champ; its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem? Please be pithy.

    [When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that’s why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they’re just ‘easing’ the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it’s causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don’t notice it. ]

    LOL. Any evidence that we are like Weimar? Is our productive capacity destroyed such that it takes a barrow of cash to buy a roll of gum?

    Also, is there any limit to your cognitive dissonance? I have pointed this out previously, If you are unhappy with the measure of Core Inflation as provided by the BLS, no one in possession of their senses could dispute MIT's Billion Price Project, which as the name suggest is an index of a billion prices and updated daily. Scroll down on the 1st link and look at the 2nd graph for annual inflation. Any suggestion of Weimar there?

    Billion Price Index Inflation:

    http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/

    Interesting related differences between online-offline prices

    http://bpp.mit.edu/blog-2/

    and finally what about energy prices? Here we show Rurik in wonderland:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DCOILWTICO


     

    [But give it a year or two, and you’d see what I’m talking about. ;)]

    Yes let's do that shall we. How about a firmer date? In any case I shall mark my organiser for a reminder on Aug 4th 2018 as "Here cometh Rurik's Doomsday!"

    , @Carroll Price
    For an earlier commenter who asked someone to explain the "Jewish conspiracy", you just explained it as well as it's ever been explained
  125. @helena
    "I would love to be challenged on some mistaken belief or incorrect fact. "

    I do it all the time by it's like water off a duck's back. What for instance is a Jewspiracy? The spiracy is just the sum of the different streams of power. The Old Boy Network was a spiracy but now it's been deconstructed.

    I do it all the time by it’s like water off a duck’s back.

    Well, quack, quack and right back atcha. :)

    I have written along the following lines to you more than once:

    “I don’t dispute the success of Ashkenazi Jews. I don’t dispute the disproportionate influence of the Jewish lobby/Lobby.”

    I guess I don’t do a good job of discriminating among the Holocaust deniers and Hitler fanboys and I end up lumping them altogether. Many of them write like Jews are some sort of extraterrestrial being that has created a Jew matrix and we all live in it.

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    Well, they've fenced off the area I grew up in!
  126. […] think of myself as a political liberal, but if you are opposed to needless wars and law-breaking in high places, I think of you as a kindred spirit, regardless of where you put […]

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  127. @iffen
    I do it all the time by it’s like water off a duck’s back.

    Well, quack, quack and right back atcha. :)

    I have written along the following lines to you more than once:

    "I don’t dispute the success of Ashkenazi Jews. I don’t dispute the disproportionate influence of the Jewish lobby/Lobby."


    I guess I don’t do a good job of discriminating among the Holocaust deniers and Hitler fanboys and I end up lumping them altogether. Many of them write like Jews are some sort of extraterrestrial being that has created a Jew matrix and we all live in it.

    Well, they’ve fenced off the area I grew up in!

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  128. @helena
    I hope you weren't laughing at typhus!

    How've you been? I've been on a whirlwind of party politics. People keep complaining about the chaos but I've learned more about how government works in the last month than I did in the rest of my life. I've even got a vote in the upcoming leadership election. What to do? Support Corbyn and send the country down the road to Cuba Remix or support Smith, trigger a second referendum and send the markets into spasms of Uncertainty they may never recover from.

    Regarding economics, Fed etc. I have no idea what you are on about but I am sure you're right.

    Hello Helena,

    No, I wasn’t laughing at the typhus. I couldn’t help bursting out at your short and witty question regarding salad and typing [oil and vinegar, they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    How government works – sausage making or fine art – is a question of taste I suppose, either one of which I find passably interesting, although I hasten to add that the present leadership elections hold the potential to be more transformative than many in recent decades. I am instinctively wary of Labour. Smith I cannot suffer [didn't he say something to the effect that Labour had not taken the steps to smack Theresa "back on her heels" or something?].

    I looked at the outline of Corbyn’s economic plan: a million jobs and a £500bn investment programme covering infrastructure, industry and the construction of a million new homes, half of them council-owned. Now that is something I can wholeheartedly get behind.

    Has he said anything about labour movements related to immigration?

    Well, hope you have a bit of fun along the way to the votes. Meanwhile here we battle with the penny-dreadfuls splattering the front pages with enough material on Trump to make the editors of The Sun go green with envy!

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    they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    Interesting, SC just gave an implicit recommendation to me for The Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black.
    , @RobinG
    Hi Sam,
    Not all the splatterings are dreadful:

    "He [Trump] said he would create an infrastructure fund that would be supported by government bonds that investors and citizens could purchase.

    “We’re going to go out with a fund,” he said. “We’ll get a fund, make a phenomenal deal with low interest rates and rebuild our infrastructure.”

    He added, “We’d do infrastructure bonds from the country, from the United States.”
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-clinton-infrastructure.html?_r=1
    Donald Trump Proposes to Double Hillary Clinton’s Spending on Infrastructure

  129. @Rurik

    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of….is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..
     
    debt to whom Alexander?

    to whom is that money owed?

    it's owed to us! It's our money!

    Yes, we owe and have to pay back the bond holders, that's true, but what we can do- what is always done- is you simply print money to pay back these debts. When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that's why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they're just 'easing' the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it's causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don't notice it. But they're not using the money to pay off the debts the American people "owe", they're using the money to prop up corrupt regimes and foist wars and consolidate their power and enrich their cronies, as usual.

    But the rub is that we're allowing these scumbag bankers to ease our money over to other central bankers in Europe and Asia and we're not getting the benefits, but rather other banksters are getting the benefits, and we're getting the wars and rust belts. It's a fucking scam!

    Wall Street is getting the benefits, because the Fed is busy buying up their fraudulent debts, created with assorted 'Credit Default Swaps' and 'Collateralized Debt Obligations', and other assorted convoluted scams and frauds that are wayyy too complicated for even the banksters themselves to really understand.

    It takes super-criminals like Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers to come up with this stuff. But at its core, it's all a rotten swindle, that we only need to tell them is over. And put the cuffs on them all.

    I see Sam laughably posted a link to the official Federal Reserve site. What a joke!

    you know what they tell us? They tell us that sure, they're tossing around many trillions of dollars all over the place, and collecting interest and controlling all the big banks, but this is the thing Alex, they're doing it all for our own good! They're just trying to make sure we all prosper and thrive! That's why the Federal Reserve Banksters caused the Great Depression, and looted the entire economy, to help us all!!! That's why the blew up the housing bubble, and then popped it, to help us all!!!

    and this is the kicker.. after it's all said and done, at the end of each year, they look at all the trillions and billions and hundreds of billions in interest rates, and they decide what's the tiniest fair amount that they deserve for protecting our money and protecting the economy, and then they selflessly return to the Treasury what they don't need! Isn't that amazing!

    So the main thing is that all this debt is our money, and the US dollar is our money. We can print it ourselves. We can hit our own keys on our own computer and send how ever many trillions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and China that we want to. They may say, 'hey, we worked hard for that money, and you paid us off by hitting some keys on your computer, and just created trillion$ out of thin air!' And we could say 'yep, we sure did'. And that's how it works. Only instead of China being the dupe, it's the American people that have been playing the dupe.

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

    ~ Jefferson

    Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

    ~ Jackson

    in fact, the American revolutionary war was fought in main part because the Bank of England wanted to force the colonies to use its debt based currency, and the founders rightly understood that to mean perpetual slavery. And then again, with the war of 1812, Rothschild was again trying to foist his London based central bank on the nation. They never relent.

    the fist thing these fiends did when they overthrew Gadaffi was impose a central bank on that ravaged nation. They're the epitome of evil, because they use their power for more power and to impose their will on everyone. Both world wars were horror-shows were of their doing. The Eternal War is their doing. And it will never, ever end unless we end the Fed. Or the rest of the world does it for us by stop using the US dollar as their reserve currency. Because the whole thing is a gigantic fraud, all based on illusion.

    look at Gecko talking about the value of his painting, 'the illusion has become real'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjCRWbvM4c

    that's the same thing with the dollar

    its a fiat currency. We can print all we want of it and hand it to anyone who we owe, and that'd be the end of it. Since it was removed from the gold standard it's simply a piece of paper whose value is determined not by any market, but by what we say it is. And if there's a problems, well then they just send in the Plunge Protection Team, and put pressure on OPEC or the ECB.

    It's all a scam, and it's all being run by a tiny handful of international central bankers who all answer to the house of Rothschild.

    did you know that at some point some journalist or someone called some of the Jewish "Russian" oligarchs that looted Russia under Yeltsin; Rothschild agents- and then those stupid oligarchs sued in court, the journalists won, because it came out that they were indeed Rothschld agents!

    The rot all points to one festering, stinking rat hole. And all we need to do is clean out that rat hole, and free mankind. And all the wars for Zionism and destabilizations in Syria and Ukraine and all this manufactured strife and monopolization of the corporate world and all the cultural degeneracy will end like **that**. Poof.

    well, maybe not like that. But give it a year or two, and you'd see what I'm talking about. ;)

    Ok champ; its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem? Please be pithy.

    [When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that’s why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they’re just ‘easing’ the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it’s causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don’t notice it. ]

    LOL. Any evidence that we are like Weimar? Is our productive capacity destroyed such that it takes a barrow of cash to buy a roll of gum?

    Also, is there any limit to your cognitive dissonance? I have pointed this out previously, If you are unhappy with the measure of Core Inflation as provided by the BLS, no one in possession of their senses could dispute MIT’s Billion Price Project, which as the name suggest is an index of a billion prices and updated daily. Scroll down on the 1st link and look at the 2nd graph for annual inflation. Any suggestion of Weimar there?

    Billion Price Index Inflation:

    http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/

    Interesting related differences between online-offline prices

    http://bpp.mit.edu/blog-2/

    and finally what about energy prices? Here we show Rurik in wonderland:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DCOILWTICO

    [But give it a year or two, and you’d see what I’m talking about. ;) ]

    Yes let’s do that shall we. How about a firmer date? In any case I shall mark my organiser for a reminder on Aug 4th 2018 as “Here cometh Rurik’s Doomsday!”

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    • Replies: @helena
    "its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem?"

    Back to my problem (!) - is the above why you think Corbyn's policies are interesting? You don't think that the UK would end up with massive unpayable debt and either go the way of Greece or Cuba? I don't see any escape from the global financial network so i think countries basically have to elect governments that can work with the global system rather than trying to start something new - or is that hopelessly naive?
    , @Rurik

    Ok champ; its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem? Please be pithy.

     

    ahh, you've just hit on the holy grail

    growth

    because the leaches latched firmly to the skin of the working man in this country, are greedily slurping out the shekels from his efforts- and are always growing, (like the ticks that they are), they always need more and more. Because the fake debt that we're all paying interest on always keeps growing too. So that's why we always have to import more immigrants, to keep the economy growing and the demand for housing and all the other scams they're running.

    Tick juice is what we need. We just drop some tick juice on these ticks, tell the Fed we'll print our own money thankyouverymuch, and then lock them all up in pound-ass prison for a few decades.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216

    LOL. Any evidence that we are like Weimar? Is our productive capacity destroyed such that it takes a barrow of cash to buy a roll of gum?
     
    you're usually not such an imbecile Sam. If you'd have bothered to read what I wrote, you'd know why I'm saying that. ;)
  130. @Sam Shama
    Hello Helena,

    No, I wasn't laughing at the typhus. I couldn't help bursting out at your short and witty question regarding salad and typing [oil and vinegar, they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    How government works - sausage making or fine art - is a question of taste I suppose, either one of which I find passably interesting, although I hasten to add that the present leadership elections hold the potential to be more transformative than many in recent decades. I am instinctively wary of Labour. Smith I cannot suffer [didn't he say something to the effect that Labour had not taken the steps to smack Theresa "back on her heels" or something?].

    I looked at the outline of Corbyn's economic plan: a million jobs and a £500bn investment programme covering infrastructure, industry and the construction of a million new homes, half of them council-owned. Now that is something I can wholeheartedly get behind.

    Has he said anything about labour movements related to immigration?

    Well, hope you have a bit of fun along the way to the votes. Meanwhile here we battle with the penny-dreadfuls splattering the front pages with enough material on Trump to make the editors of The Sun go green with envy!

    they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    Interesting, SC just gave an implicit recommendation to me for The Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Are you sure those were all recommendations? Or was S2C citing orthodox texts? Or some of both?
    I've read "Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich" word for word, and Shirer leaves no inch for revisionist theories. If anyone disagrees, give chapter and verse, please, or say where you're reading between the lines, and I'll review.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    and @ RobinG

    What the three books/authors mentioned have in common is their reliance on documentation that Allies acquired (ahem) from Germany in the closing days of the war. Shirer explains in the opening pages of Rise and Fall that the amount of enemy archives taken by the adversary (Allies) from the vanquished (Germany) is unprecedented in human history. Shirer's version of the history of the Nazis, based on his perusal of some of those documents, sold many hundreds of thousands of copies and became the basis for an entire generation's understanding of the war. It is relied upon to this day: Eric Larson wrote in the introductory material to "In the Garden of Beasts" that he relied on Shirer's work to produce his own best-selling work of creative non-fiction (Larson concedes that he is a failed novelist who finally found success with creative non-fiction genre.)

    What is even more interesting is that a man named Robert Wolfe, raised in a Jewish (Yiddish-speaking) household in Vermont; enlisted in 1942; instrumental in obtaining a set of microfilm that was created, contrary to orders, by a man who worked as a translator in the Third Reich and was a dual-British-German national. Wolfe came across the gent in the last days of the war when the dual-national tried to get in touch with an old school chum from Britain, a chum who happened to be Winston Churchill's son-in-law. The dual-national led an Allied team to the place where he had hidden film of files he was supposed to have destroyed.

    Wolfe went on to use that material and much additional material from documents Allies recovered from German hiding places, in his role as assistant to prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials.

    And then -- Wolfe was put in charge of archiving and copying the tons of documents that the Allies obtained from Germany and had shipped to England and to Alexandria, Virginia. This would have been in the early to late 1950s, when Shirer was writing Rise and Fall.

    And then -- In the early 1960s Wolfe was employed by the US government as archivist in charge of the German documents not stored at US National Archives. Wolfe held that post for over 30 years. In that capacity, Wolfe kept the documents under lock and key in heavily secured cells, admitting searchers at his discretion and assigning to himself the sole authority to select documents to be viewed by researchers.

    When Wolfe died at age 93, Edwin Black wrote an effusive tribute, thanking Wolfe for leading him to information about the zionist collaboration with Nazis that is known as the Transfer Agreement. As Black observed in his book, the details of that Jewish-Nazi collaboration were unknown until 1979. (What else remains unknown? Incidentally -- 70-years on, Israel is keeping a tight lid on documents in its archives. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-archive-idUSKCN0XH1OZ )

    Richard Breitman also wrote, as a representative of an entire community of holocaust historians, in praise of Wolfe's contributions to "knowledge of the holocaust" through the latter's efforts at maintaining control over the German archive.

    ---
    Let me tell you a little story. Some years ago a water line in a second floor bathroom burst, resulting in damage to walls and ceilings, etc. An insurance adjuster arrived the day after the incident, together with a plumber that the insurance company hired. In my presence alongside the adjuster, the plumber removed the burst pipe from the fixture, asked me to identify it, put it in a bag sealed under the adjuster's, the plumber's, and my signature. I was asked to sign an affidavit about who had installed the pipe, etc. The pipe in its signed and sealed bag was sent to the insurance company's lab. The purpose was to determine who was responsible for the $2000 in damages. The chain of custody was explicit and subscribed to a system of checks-and-balances; an audit trail.

    No such chain of custody exists with respect to the German documents that, unique in all of history, are in the custody of the United States, and that had been controlled by an individual who can scarcely be thought to be objective, and upon which documents the entire narrative of the holocaust has been based.

    Jewish people used those documents to condemn hundreds of German leaders and warriors to death; Jewish people used those documents to extract billions of dollars from Germany and from the United States.

    There is absolutely no assurance or system of assurances that highly significant documents of an exculpatory nature wrt to Germany; or of a nature that would have cast a negative light upon Jewish activities in Germany or elsewhere in the war, were not destroyed or removed from the files.

    A complete, true, and objective understanding of Allied and German -- and Jewish -- activities leading to- and in the war and post-war is impossible to be known because the chain of custody of the German archives is irreparably breached.
  131. @Intelligent Dasein
    When you stop to think about it, it is truly astonishing that the fate of this little make-believe country on the Mediterranean coast could come to occupy such a prominent place in the minds of America's political elite.

    What is going on here? What is Israel, really? An international crime syndicate? A nuclear-armed flash mob? Yes it is these things, but to Western elites it is something more besides. It is the clearest vision yet glimpsed of their hearts' desire. In its internationalism, its "freedom" from all constraints of place, from any rules not of its own making; in its boundless faith in the power of money, its contempt for labor, its insouciant declaration that all the world's spoil rightly belongs to it; in its bellicosity, its hubris, its ruthless self-assurance rooted in a religious ideal that has long since banished God to the attic---in all these things, it is exactly what our elites aspire to be.

    The upper strata of European-American society is grafting itself heart and soul into the same Jewish-sprung cosmopolitanism that produced Bolshevism and crony capitalism. There is no need any longer to posit a secret cabal of Jewish schemers bent on world domination. Our elites, at heart, are already Jews.

    Perfidious Jews.

    How many of YOUR America’s $4+BILLION in WELFARE given to Israel every year comes back to America in the form of BRIBES to “american” politicians? Traitors voting to give Israel MORE, so they can get bigger BRIBES. https://youtu.be/z6UNufFaino

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  132. @Rurik

    The money we printed to pay for the OVERSPENDING our government is guilty of….is rolled into the NATIONAL DEBT..
     
    debt to whom Alexander?

    to whom is that money owed?

    it's owed to us! It's our money!

    Yes, we owe and have to pay back the bond holders, that's true, but what we can do- what is always done- is you simply print money to pay back these debts. When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that's why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they're just 'easing' the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it's causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don't notice it. But they're not using the money to pay off the debts the American people "owe", they're using the money to prop up corrupt regimes and foist wars and consolidate their power and enrich their cronies, as usual.

    But the rub is that we're allowing these scumbag bankers to ease our money over to other central bankers in Europe and Asia and we're not getting the benefits, but rather other banksters are getting the benefits, and we're getting the wars and rust belts. It's a fucking scam!

    Wall Street is getting the benefits, because the Fed is busy buying up their fraudulent debts, created with assorted 'Credit Default Swaps' and 'Collateralized Debt Obligations', and other assorted convoluted scams and frauds that are wayyy too complicated for even the banksters themselves to really understand.

    It takes super-criminals like Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers to come up with this stuff. But at its core, it's all a rotten swindle, that we only need to tell them is over. And put the cuffs on them all.

    I see Sam laughably posted a link to the official Federal Reserve site. What a joke!

    you know what they tell us? They tell us that sure, they're tossing around many trillions of dollars all over the place, and collecting interest and controlling all the big banks, but this is the thing Alex, they're doing it all for our own good! They're just trying to make sure we all prosper and thrive! That's why the Federal Reserve Banksters caused the Great Depression, and looted the entire economy, to help us all!!! That's why the blew up the housing bubble, and then popped it, to help us all!!!

    and this is the kicker.. after it's all said and done, at the end of each year, they look at all the trillions and billions and hundreds of billions in interest rates, and they decide what's the tiniest fair amount that they deserve for protecting our money and protecting the economy, and then they selflessly return to the Treasury what they don't need! Isn't that amazing!

    So the main thing is that all this debt is our money, and the US dollar is our money. We can print it ourselves. We can hit our own keys on our own computer and send how ever many trillions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and China that we want to. They may say, 'hey, we worked hard for that money, and you paid us off by hitting some keys on your computer, and just created trillion$ out of thin air!' And we could say 'yep, we sure did'. And that's how it works. Only instead of China being the dupe, it's the American people that have been playing the dupe.

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

    ~ Jefferson

    Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

    ~ Jackson

    in fact, the American revolutionary war was fought in main part because the Bank of England wanted to force the colonies to use its debt based currency, and the founders rightly understood that to mean perpetual slavery. And then again, with the war of 1812, Rothschild was again trying to foist his London based central bank on the nation. They never relent.

    the fist thing these fiends did when they overthrew Gadaffi was impose a central bank on that ravaged nation. They're the epitome of evil, because they use their power for more power and to impose their will on everyone. Both world wars were horror-shows were of their doing. The Eternal War is their doing. And it will never, ever end unless we end the Fed. Or the rest of the world does it for us by stop using the US dollar as their reserve currency. Because the whole thing is a gigantic fraud, all based on illusion.

    look at Gecko talking about the value of his painting, 'the illusion has become real'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjCRWbvM4c

    that's the same thing with the dollar

    its a fiat currency. We can print all we want of it and hand it to anyone who we owe, and that'd be the end of it. Since it was removed from the gold standard it's simply a piece of paper whose value is determined not by any market, but by what we say it is. And if there's a problems, well then they just send in the Plunge Protection Team, and put pressure on OPEC or the ECB.

    It's all a scam, and it's all being run by a tiny handful of international central bankers who all answer to the house of Rothschild.

    did you know that at some point some journalist or someone called some of the Jewish "Russian" oligarchs that looted Russia under Yeltsin; Rothschild agents- and then those stupid oligarchs sued in court, the journalists won, because it came out that they were indeed Rothschld agents!

    The rot all points to one festering, stinking rat hole. And all we need to do is clean out that rat hole, and free mankind. And all the wars for Zionism and destabilizations in Syria and Ukraine and all this manufactured strife and monopolization of the corporate world and all the cultural degeneracy will end like **that**. Poof.

    well, maybe not like that. But give it a year or two, and you'd see what I'm talking about. ;)

    For an earlier commenter who asked someone to explain the “Jewish conspiracy”, you just explained it as well as it’s ever been explained

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  133. @iffen
    they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    Interesting, SC just gave an implicit recommendation to me for The Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black.

    Are you sure those were all recommendations? Or was S2C citing orthodox texts? Or some of both?
    I’ve read “Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich” word for word, and Shirer leaves no inch for revisionist theories. If anyone disagrees, give chapter and verse, please, or say where you’re reading between the lines, and I’ll review.

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    Is revisionist the PC term for Holocaust denier? If so, I think that I will start using it. Is the term widely accepted in your community? I am working on reducing my ad hominem remarks and calling people by their preferred label will be part of it.
  134. @Sam Shama
    Hello Helena,

    No, I wasn't laughing at the typhus. I couldn't help bursting out at your short and witty question regarding salad and typing [oil and vinegar, they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    How government works - sausage making or fine art - is a question of taste I suppose, either one of which I find passably interesting, although I hasten to add that the present leadership elections hold the potential to be more transformative than many in recent decades. I am instinctively wary of Labour. Smith I cannot suffer [didn't he say something to the effect that Labour had not taken the steps to smack Theresa "back on her heels" or something?].

    I looked at the outline of Corbyn's economic plan: a million jobs and a £500bn investment programme covering infrastructure, industry and the construction of a million new homes, half of them council-owned. Now that is something I can wholeheartedly get behind.

    Has he said anything about labour movements related to immigration?

    Well, hope you have a bit of fun along the way to the votes. Meanwhile here we battle with the penny-dreadfuls splattering the front pages with enough material on Trump to make the editors of The Sun go green with envy!

    Hi Sam,
    Not all the splatterings are dreadful:

    “He [Trump] said he would create an infrastructure fund that would be supported by government bonds that investors and citizens could purchase.

    “We’re going to go out with a fund,” he said. “We’ll get a fund, make a phenomenal deal with low interest rates and rebuild our infrastructure.”

    He added, “We’d do infrastructure bonds from the country, from the United States.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-clinton-infrastructure.html?_r=1

    Donald Trump Proposes to Double Hillary Clinton’s Spending on Infrastructure

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  135. @iffen
    they never mix, like Nazis and Jews].

    Interesting, SC just gave an implicit recommendation to me for The Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black.

    and @ RobinG

    What the three books/authors mentioned have in common is their reliance on documentation that Allies acquired (ahem) from Germany in the closing days of the war. Shirer explains in the opening pages of Rise and Fall that the amount of enemy archives taken by the adversary (Allies) from the vanquished (Germany) is unprecedented in human history. Shirer’s version of the history of the Nazis, based on his perusal of some of those documents, sold many hundreds of thousands of copies and became the basis for an entire generation’s understanding of the war. It is relied upon to this day: Eric Larson wrote in the introductory material to “In the Garden of Beasts” that he relied on Shirer’s work to produce his own best-selling work of creative non-fiction (Larson concedes that he is a failed novelist who finally found success with creative non-fiction genre.)

    What is even more interesting is that a man named Robert Wolfe, raised in a Jewish (Yiddish-speaking) household in Vermont; enlisted in 1942; instrumental in obtaining a set of microfilm that was created, contrary to orders, by a man who worked as a translator in the Third Reich and was a dual-British-German national. Wolfe came across the gent in the last days of the war when the dual-national tried to get in touch with an old school chum from Britain, a chum who happened to be Winston Churchill’s son-in-law. The dual-national led an Allied team to the place where he had hidden film of files he was supposed to have destroyed.

    Wolfe went on to use that material and much additional material from documents Allies recovered from German hiding places, in his role as assistant to prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials.

    And then — Wolfe was put in charge of archiving and copying the tons of documents that the Allies obtained from Germany and had shipped to England and to Alexandria, Virginia. This would have been in the early to late 1950s, when Shirer was writing Rise and Fall.

    And then — In the early 1960s Wolfe was employed by the US government as archivist in charge of the German documents not stored at US National Archives. Wolfe held that post for over 30 years. In that capacity, Wolfe kept the documents under lock and key in heavily secured cells, admitting searchers at his discretion and assigning to himself the sole authority to select documents to be viewed by researchers.

    When Wolfe died at age 93, Edwin Black wrote an effusive tribute, thanking Wolfe for leading him to information about the zionist collaboration with Nazis that is known as the Transfer Agreement. As Black observed in his book, the details of that Jewish-Nazi collaboration were unknown until 1979. (What else remains unknown? Incidentally — 70-years on, Israel is keeping a tight lid on documents in its archives. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-archive-idUSKCN0XH1OZ )

    Richard Breitman also wrote, as a representative of an entire community of holocaust historians, in praise of Wolfe’s contributions to “knowledge of the holocaust” through the latter’s efforts at maintaining control over the German archive.


    Let me tell you a little story. Some years ago a water line in a second floor bathroom burst, resulting in damage to walls and ceilings, etc. An insurance adjuster arrived the day after the incident, together with a plumber that the insurance company hired. In my presence alongside the adjuster, the plumber removed the burst pipe from the fixture, asked me to identify it, put it in a bag sealed under the adjuster’s, the plumber’s, and my signature. I was asked to sign an affidavit about who had installed the pipe, etc. The pipe in its signed and sealed bag was sent to the insurance company’s lab. The purpose was to determine who was responsible for the $2000 in damages. The chain of custody was explicit and subscribed to a system of checks-and-balances; an audit trail.

    No such chain of custody exists with respect to the German documents that, unique in all of history, are in the custody of the United States, and that had been controlled by an individual who can scarcely be thought to be objective, and upon which documents the entire narrative of the holocaust has been based.

    Jewish people used those documents to condemn hundreds of German leaders and warriors to death; Jewish people used those documents to extract billions of dollars from Germany and from the United States.

    There is absolutely no assurance or system of assurances that highly significant documents of an exculpatory nature wrt to Germany; or of a nature that would have cast a negative light upon Jewish activities in Germany or elsewhere in the war, were not destroyed or removed from the files.

    A complete, true, and objective understanding of Allied and German — and Jewish — activities leading to- and in the war and post-war is impossible to be known because the chain of custody of the German archives is irreparably breached.

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    Is it safe to assume that you will question the value of the soon to be published "lost" Himmler diaries?

    Thanks for placing the books in context. What about the Trilogy by Evans?

    I was correct about an essay vs. a book. Ed Black has an article in the Jewish Virtual Library that gives the essential details.
    , @Sam Shama
    So a pithy summary might be: The Allies confiscated the methodical documents of the Nazi Third Reich, locked them away from public scrutiny, followed by indiscriminate falsification by Jews [and Anglos] to erect an entirely spurious account of the Holocaust for posterity and the eternal benefit of world Jewry.

    [full disclosure: I haven't read Shirer's Rise and Fall even as it resides in my father's library, prominently neighbouring Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples and The Second World War, both of which I have read ]

  136. @SolontoCroesus
    and @ RobinG

    What the three books/authors mentioned have in common is their reliance on documentation that Allies acquired (ahem) from Germany in the closing days of the war. Shirer explains in the opening pages of Rise and Fall that the amount of enemy archives taken by the adversary (Allies) from the vanquished (Germany) is unprecedented in human history. Shirer's version of the history of the Nazis, based on his perusal of some of those documents, sold many hundreds of thousands of copies and became the basis for an entire generation's understanding of the war. It is relied upon to this day: Eric Larson wrote in the introductory material to "In the Garden of Beasts" that he relied on Shirer's work to produce his own best-selling work of creative non-fiction (Larson concedes that he is a failed novelist who finally found success with creative non-fiction genre.)

    What is even more interesting is that a man named Robert Wolfe, raised in a Jewish (Yiddish-speaking) household in Vermont; enlisted in 1942; instrumental in obtaining a set of microfilm that was created, contrary to orders, by a man who worked as a translator in the Third Reich and was a dual-British-German national. Wolfe came across the gent in the last days of the war when the dual-national tried to get in touch with an old school chum from Britain, a chum who happened to be Winston Churchill's son-in-law. The dual-national led an Allied team to the place where he had hidden film of files he was supposed to have destroyed.

    Wolfe went on to use that material and much additional material from documents Allies recovered from German hiding places, in his role as assistant to prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials.

    And then -- Wolfe was put in charge of archiving and copying the tons of documents that the Allies obtained from Germany and had shipped to England and to Alexandria, Virginia. This would have been in the early to late 1950s, when Shirer was writing Rise and Fall.

    And then -- In the early 1960s Wolfe was employed by the US government as archivist in charge of the German documents not stored at US National Archives. Wolfe held that post for over 30 years. In that capacity, Wolfe kept the documents under lock and key in heavily secured cells, admitting searchers at his discretion and assigning to himself the sole authority to select documents to be viewed by researchers.

    When Wolfe died at age 93, Edwin Black wrote an effusive tribute, thanking Wolfe for leading him to information about the zionist collaboration with Nazis that is known as the Transfer Agreement. As Black observed in his book, the details of that Jewish-Nazi collaboration were unknown until 1979. (What else remains unknown? Incidentally -- 70-years on, Israel is keeping a tight lid on documents in its archives. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-archive-idUSKCN0XH1OZ )

    Richard Breitman also wrote, as a representative of an entire community of holocaust historians, in praise of Wolfe's contributions to "knowledge of the holocaust" through the latter's efforts at maintaining control over the German archive.

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    Let me tell you a little story. Some years ago a water line in a second floor bathroom burst, resulting in damage to walls and ceilings, etc. An insurance adjuster arrived the day after the incident, together with a plumber that the insurance company hired. In my presence alongside the adjuster, the plumber removed the burst pipe from the fixture, asked me to identify it, put it in a bag sealed under the adjuster's, the plumber's, and my signature. I was asked to sign an affidavit about who had installed the pipe, etc. The pipe in its signed and sealed bag was sent to the insurance company's lab. The purpose was to determine who was responsible for the $2000 in damages. The chain of custody was explicit and subscribed to a system of checks-and-balances; an audit trail.

    No such chain of custody exists with respect to the German documents that, unique in all of history, are in the custody of the United States, and that had been controlled by an individual who can scarcely be thought to be objective, and upon which documents the entire narrative of the holocaust has been based.

    Jewish people used those documents to condemn hundreds of German leaders and warriors to death; Jewish people used those documents to extract billions of dollars from Germany and from the United States.

    There is absolutely no assurance or system of assurances that highly significant documents of an exculpatory nature wrt to Germany; or of a nature that would have cast a negative light upon Jewish activities in Germany or elsewhere in the war, were not destroyed or removed from the files.

    A complete, true, and objective understanding of Allied and German -- and Jewish -- activities leading to- and in the war and post-war is impossible to be known because the chain of custody of the German archives is irreparably breached.

    Is it safe to assume that you will question the value of the soon to be published “lost” Himmler diaries?

    Thanks for placing the books in context. What about the Trilogy by Evans?

    I was correct about an essay vs. a book. Ed Black has an article in the Jewish Virtual Library that gives the essential details.

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    What little I know about Himmler is that he was a puny, evil man who ran his own show outside the awareness of Hitler, and that he murdered a lot of Jewish people. Don't know anything about his diary -- who is publishing?

    I don't understand what you are saying about Edwin Black, essay vs book. Black has developed a kind of franchise operation, a network of researchers who contribute to his numerous books on aspects of holocaustism.

    What about the Trilogy by Evans?
     
    I read a few Amazon reviews of the Trilogy; also read reviews of Evans's "Lying About Hitler," -- his book about his work on Deborah Lipstadt's defense team, which hired Evans to testify against David Irving:

    (From the Amazon review):

    As an expert witness for the defense in last year's Irving-Lipstadt trial, Evans (history, Cambridge Univ.) was charged with determining whether David Irving was, as Deborah Lipstadt asserted, a Holocaust denier. Evans spent two years researching Irving's work, tracing his sources, and then evaluating his publications and public speeches. Moving easily from analysis of Irving's abuse of primary documents to a discussion of what constitutes legitimate historical methodology, Evans presents compelling proof that Irving is a Holocaust denier and why he should not be considered a legitimate member of the historical profession.

    Evans's depiction of the trial and of Irving's behavior in court is followed by an assessment of the implications of the judgment in Lipstadt's favor.

    Evans's point that some commentators seemed to forget that it was Irving who was attempting to silence Lipstadt, rather than academic historians and "Jewish interest groups" attempting to stifle free speech, is well worth remembering. Evans eloquently argues that what was really on trial was history itself. Fortunately, history won.

    Ironically, Evans's carefully documented book has not yet been published in the U.K., as Irving's threats to bring a libel suit have already caused one company to drop publication.
     
    An even grander irony is in Lipstadt's subsequent behavior, when C Span prepared to host Lipstadt to discuss her book about the trial. C Span producer Connie Doebele invited Irving to appear to tell his side of the story. Lipstadt pulled the pillars down: she called upon an army of "Jewish interest groups" to besiege Doebele/C Span; she arranged for editorials in major newspapers decrying C Span's plan. Lipstadt ultimately cancelled the appearance; Doebele was made to appear at the knee of C Span manager Richard Weinstein and make her mea culpas for the sin seeking to tell both sides of the story.

    The most obvious take-away is that hewing to the Jewish line on holocaust can make one a wealthy person -- Evans was paid handsomely by Lipstadt's team. OTOH offering information contrary to the Jewish doxology can ruin a person, even land them in jail -- Irving has been fined, imprisoned, had his records taken by the British government, been the victim of arson and other attacks on his person and property, for the crime of presenting evidence about history with which Jewish people do not agree. Recall that it was Irving who was among the first to bring the enormous tragedy of the firebombing of Dresden to the attention of the American public.

    Evans declared that Irving, untrained as an historian, does not belong among historians, but Max Hastings is not trained as an historian yet the British monarchy made him a knight and honors him as Britain's preeminent historian. Hastings strokes British and Jewish feathers the right way and is rewarded for so doing.

    I suppose what I'm tending toward is extreme skepticism wrt to the objectivity of any history of WWII and Germany that Evans may produce.

    btw, the late R H S Stolfi, who taught at Naval War College I believe, wrote an acclaimed book on Panzer warfare. In his later years Stolfi wrote "Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny," a critique of the the one-dimensional depictions of Hitler produced by Kershaw, Bullock and the like.

    The first bio of Hitler that I recall reading, many years ago, was titled "Psychopathic God." This Stanza from W H Auden's September 1939 formed the epigraph:

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

    By its very nature the concept of holocaust denial undermines the possibility of Accurate Scholarship. It's bunkum; no American should allow himself to be painted into that anti-intellectual corner.

    PS the more I learn the more it seems that such characters as Sam Untermyer and Vladimir Jabotinsky, Rabbi Wise and Henry Morgenthau, Jr.; the Netanyahus, father and son, fit the description of "psychopathic gods" evolved from "huge imago s."
  137. @iffen
    Is it safe to assume that you will question the value of the soon to be published "lost" Himmler diaries?

    Thanks for placing the books in context. What about the Trilogy by Evans?

    I was correct about an essay vs. a book. Ed Black has an article in the Jewish Virtual Library that gives the essential details.

    What little I know about Himmler is that he was a puny, evil man who ran his own show outside the awareness of Hitler, and that he murdered a lot of Jewish people. Don’t know anything about his diary — who is publishing?

    I don’t understand what you are saying about Edwin Black, essay vs book. Black has developed a kind of franchise operation, a network of researchers who contribute to his numerous books on aspects of holocaustism.

    What about the Trilogy by Evans?

    I read a few Amazon reviews of the Trilogy; also read reviews of Evans’s “Lying About Hitler,” — his book about his work on Deborah Lipstadt’s defense team, which hired Evans to testify against David Irving:

    (From the Amazon review):

    As an expert witness for the defense in last year’s Irving-Lipstadt trial, Evans (history, Cambridge Univ.) was charged with determining whether David Irving was, as Deborah Lipstadt asserted, a Holocaust denier. Evans spent two years researching Irving’s work, tracing his sources, and then evaluating his publications and public speeches. Moving easily from analysis of Irving’s abuse of primary documents to a discussion of what constitutes legitimate historical methodology, Evans presents compelling proof that Irving is a Holocaust denier and why he should not be considered a legitimate member of the historical profession.

    Evans’s depiction of the trial and of Irving’s behavior in court is followed by an assessment of the implications of the judgment in Lipstadt’s favor.

    Evans’s point that some commentators seemed to forget that it was Irving who was attempting to silence Lipstadt, rather than academic historians and “Jewish interest groups” attempting to stifle free speech, is well worth remembering. Evans eloquently argues that what was really on trial was history itself. Fortunately, history won.

    Ironically, Evans’s carefully documented book has not yet been published in the U.K., as Irving’s threats to bring a libel suit have already caused one company to drop publication.

    An even grander irony is in Lipstadt’s subsequent behavior, when C Span prepared to host Lipstadt to discuss her book about the trial. C Span producer Connie Doebele invited Irving to appear to tell his side of the story. Lipstadt pulled the pillars down: she called upon an army of “Jewish interest groups” to besiege Doebele/C Span; she arranged for editorials in major newspapers decrying C Span’s plan. Lipstadt ultimately cancelled the appearance; Doebele was made to appear at the knee of C Span manager Richard Weinstein and make her mea culpas for the sin seeking to tell both sides of the story.

    The most obvious take-away is that hewing to the Jewish line on holocaust can make one a wealthy person — Evans was paid handsomely by Lipstadt’s team. OTOH offering information contrary to the Jewish doxology can ruin a person, even land them in jail — Irving has been fined, imprisoned, had his records taken by the British government, been the victim of arson and other attacks on his person and property, for the crime of presenting evidence about history with which Jewish people do not agree. Recall that it was Irving who was among the first to bring the enormous tragedy of the firebombing of Dresden to the attention of the American public.

    Evans declared that Irving, untrained as an historian, does not belong among historians, but Max Hastings is not trained as an historian yet the British monarchy made him a knight and honors him as Britain’s preeminent historian. Hastings strokes British and Jewish feathers the right way and is rewarded for so doing.

    I suppose what I’m tending toward is extreme skepticism wrt to the objectivity of any history of WWII and Germany that Evans may produce.

    btw, the late R H S Stolfi, who taught at Naval War College I believe, wrote an acclaimed book on Panzer warfare. In his later years Stolfi wrote “Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny,” a critique of the the one-dimensional depictions of Hitler produced by Kershaw, Bullock and the like.

    The first bio of Hitler that I recall reading, many years ago, was titled “Psychopathic God.” This Stanza from W H Auden’s September 1939 formed the epigraph:

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

    By its very nature the concept of holocaust denial undermines the possibility of Accurate Scholarship. It’s bunkum; no American should allow himself to be painted into that anti-intellectual corner.

    PS the more I learn the more it seems that such characters as Sam Untermyer and Vladimir Jabotinsky, Rabbi Wise and Henry Morgenthau, Jr.; the Netanyahus, father and son, fit the description of “psychopathic gods” evolved from “huge imago s.”

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    Don’t know anything about his diary — who is publishing?

    Newly discovered diaries of Heinrich Himmler, the head of the Nazi Gestapo and the SS, have highlighted the daily routine of one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany.
    The diaries, which were discovered in the archives of the Russian Defense Ministry in Podolsk 2013, covers the years 1937, 1938, 1947, and 1948, according to DW. Entries in the 1,000-page document, indicating Himmler’s daily schedule, were reportedly typed by an adjutant daily.
    The German Historical Institute (DHI) is set to publish the lost Himmler diaries in 2017. However, German newspaper Bild has published excerpts of the document.
    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3378091/lost-himmler-diaries-sheds-light-on-daily-life-of-powerful-nazi-officer/#RJAi1Gdgg1xMtioR.99
     
    Recall that it was Irving who was among the first to bring the enormous tragedy of the firebombing of Dresden to the attention of the American public.

    I copied the following from Wiki which to my mind contradicts this statement.

    On 16 February, the Propaganda Ministry issued a press release that stated that Dresden had no war industries; it was a city of culture.[91]
    On 25 February, a new leaflet with photographs of two burned children was released under the title "Dresden—Massacre of Refugees," stating that 200,000 had died. Frederick Taylor states that "there is good reason to believe that later in March copies of—or extracts from—[an official police report] were leaked to the neutral press by Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry ... doctored with an extra zero to make [the total dead from the raid] 202,040".[12] On 4 March, Das Reich, a weekly newspaper founded by Goebbels, published a lengthy article emphasizing the suffering and destruction of a cultural icon,
    The unease was made worse by an Associated Press story that the Allies had resorted to terror bombing. At a press briefing held by the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force two days after the raids, British Air Commodore Colin McKay Grierson told journalists:
    First of all they (Dresden and similar towns) are the centres...
     
    I don’t understand what you are saying about Edwin Black, essay vs book.

    You asked if I had read his book, The Transfer Agreement, and I said no. I said that I thought a subject like that could be covered in a good essay. He, Ed Black, has such an essay at The Jewish Virtual Library.

    On the topic of books, and re: RobinG’s comment, were you wanting me to say that I had read one or more of those books so that you could say that I had read the “wrong” books? Gullible me assumed that forthrightness was a part of a “serious” discussion.
    , @iffen
    What little I know about Himmler is that he was a puny, evil man who ran his own show outside the awareness of Hitler, and that he murdered a lot of Jewish people.

    The implication of this sentence just dawned upon me. Are you agreeing that there was a Holocaust, but that Hitler didn't know about it?
  138. @Sam Shama
    Ok champ; its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem? Please be pithy.

    [When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that’s why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they’re just ‘easing’ the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it’s causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don’t notice it. ]

    LOL. Any evidence that we are like Weimar? Is our productive capacity destroyed such that it takes a barrow of cash to buy a roll of gum?

    Also, is there any limit to your cognitive dissonance? I have pointed this out previously, If you are unhappy with the measure of Core Inflation as provided by the BLS, no one in possession of their senses could dispute MIT's Billion Price Project, which as the name suggest is an index of a billion prices and updated daily. Scroll down on the 1st link and look at the 2nd graph for annual inflation. Any suggestion of Weimar there?

    Billion Price Index Inflation:

    http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/

    Interesting related differences between online-offline prices

    http://bpp.mit.edu/blog-2/

    and finally what about energy prices? Here we show Rurik in wonderland:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DCOILWTICO


     

    [But give it a year or two, and you’d see what I’m talking about. ;)]

    Yes let's do that shall we. How about a firmer date? In any case I shall mark my organiser for a reminder on Aug 4th 2018 as "Here cometh Rurik's Doomsday!"

    “its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem?”

    Back to my problem (!) – is the above why you think Corbyn’s policies are interesting? You don’t think that the UK would end up with massive unpayable debt and either go the way of Greece or Cuba? I don’t see any escape from the global financial network so i think countries basically have to elect governments that can work with the global system rather than trying to start something new – or is that hopelessly naive?

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    Hi Helena:

    There is little likelihood of Britain going the way of Cuba or Greece, were it to issue £500bn or even £1tr in infrastructure bonds to finance the projects proposed by Corbyn [quite another matter whether Labour can actually execute it well, refrain from pork-barrel waste or a surfeit of grift]. The British Pound is a reserve currency, backed by British assets, British productivity, British manufacturing and above all, human capital that the Island and it's territories continue to enjoy.

    Don't fret over the "global financial network"; it is there and it has contributed to the inequality of income that plagues much of the world; yet it has also made the global economic system far more resilient to headwinds. Global central banks can work in co-ordination to absorb shocks produced in any part of the system. Comparing U.K's position to Greece, let alone Cuba, is the game of charlatans. It issues in it's own currency which is also a constituent of the basket of premier reserves: U.S dollar, Euro, Pound, Yen, Renminbi and perhaps Swiss Franc. The only concern, a really really remote one, is if accelerating inflation takes over. I would put the probability of that at 0.01% :-) and even if it occurred, BoE can extinguish it rapidly. I reckon the £500bn will produce a 2.5-3%% growth in the U.K, if properly executed. With sustained [meaning 5yr +] fiscal investments, the jobs are going to be permanent and go a long way to reduce the numbers of the precariat [ http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/04/04/jenny-diski/the-duchess-and-the-dustman-meet-the-elite-and-the-precariat/ ].

    Servicing the new debt is not a difficult task at all. I haven't done the maths for the UK, only for the U.S. [$3tr], which turns out to be not just manageable, but in fact trivial. Look at RobinG's link above in #139 for Trump's plan.

  139. @Sam Shama
    Ok champ; its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem? Please be pithy.

    [When this is overdone, like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, you have a catastrophe, and so that’s why they call it Quantitative **Easing**, because they’re just ‘easing’ the debt-based fiat currency into the global market. And sure, it’s causing inflation, and sure your groceries are more expensive, but most people don’t notice it. ]

    LOL. Any evidence that we are like Weimar? Is our productive capacity destroyed such that it takes a barrow of cash to buy a roll of gum?

    Also, is there any limit to your cognitive dissonance? I have pointed this out previously, If you are unhappy with the measure of Core Inflation as provided by the BLS, no one in possession of their senses could dispute MIT's Billion Price Project, which as the name suggest is an index of a billion prices and updated daily. Scroll down on the 1st link and look at the 2nd graph for annual inflation. Any suggestion of Weimar there?

    Billion Price Index Inflation:

    http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/

    Interesting related differences between online-offline prices

    http://bpp.mit.edu/blog-2/

    and finally what about energy prices? Here we show Rurik in wonderland:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DCOILWTICO


     

    [But give it a year or two, and you’d see what I’m talking about. ;)]

    Yes let's do that shall we. How about a firmer date? In any case I shall mark my organiser for a reminder on Aug 4th 2018 as "Here cometh Rurik's Doomsday!"

    Ok champ; its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem? Please be pithy.

    ahh, you’ve just hit on the holy grail

    growth

    because the leaches latched firmly to the skin of the working man in this country, are greedily slurping out the shekels from his efforts- and are always growing, (like the ticks that they are), they always need more and more. Because the fake debt that we’re all paying interest on always keeps growing too. So that’s why we always have to import more immigrants, to keep the economy growing and the demand for housing and all the other scams they’re running.

    Tick juice is what we need. We just drop some tick juice on these ticks, tell the Fed we’ll print our own money thankyouverymuch, and then lock them all up in pound-ass prison for a few decades.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216

    LOL. Any evidence that we are like Weimar? Is our productive capacity destroyed such that it takes a barrow of cash to buy a roll of gum?

    you’re usually not such an imbecile Sam. If you’d have bothered to read what I wrote, you’d know why I’m saying that. ;)

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    Allright, so do explain to this imbecile, where you spot a lack of growth in the U.S.

    Here is real [meaning inflation adjusted] disposable personal Income

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A229RX0

    Rurik, you are grasping at straws with a great deal of hand-waving to grasp said straws.

    [because the leaches latched firmly to the skin of the working man in this country, are greedily slurping out the shekels from his efforts- and are always growing, (like the ticks that they are), they always need more and more. Because the fake debt that we’re all paying interest on always keeps growing too. So that’s why we always have to import more immigrants, to keep the economy growing and the demand for housing and all the other scams they’re running.]

    Far too many metaphors. You are speaking of Jews=banksters= Fed=Debt=ticks right? Well come out and say it without resorting to subterfuge. Again if you actually had any information regarding personal tax rates in the U.S. you would have known that this country has the lowest rate amongst developed countries:

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate

    So again wtf are you talking about? If you hate Jews so much, just come out and say it clearly. At the risk of subject drift, I say to you, the Jews you hate are not going anywhere and for whatever reason we are reasonably successful in the country and in many other nations. Do we network? Yes. Why don't you? Do we control the media ? Not exclusively, and even if we do, what of it? Compete with us man! Do we control finance? We are influential sure, but did we stop you from competing? Do you understand the meaning of competition mate? [btw Trump likes kosher style as well, didn't you notice?]

    Immigrants. Yes they are receiving a great many from Mexico, but that has very little to do with our unemployed Whites. You are an unapologetic 88 I realise, but I should expect you to say that you hate the mexxers just on account of their .....whatever, and not conflate it with any imagined economic condition of Whites, which if anything is squarely explained by our China policy:

    http://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/decline-us-manufacturing-jobs-tied-shift-china-trade-policy


    When you say "If you’d have bothered to read what I wrote, you’d know why I’m saying that." you are depositing the steaming stuff; nothing to be so chuffed about, with the smileys etc., mate. If your point is that we aren't conducting monetary policy of the Weimar such that we won't see hyperinflation, then you basically just propped up a straw man when you even mentioned the Weimar. If there was a deeper point, please indulge me and explain. And spare me Matt Taibbi's dated articles. I read this one back in 2011, buh-leeeve me. We are talking about growth in the U.S. which is manifestly here [even as I write this, the payroll numbers came in at 255k, that is 255k new jobs produced in the last month].

    What the fuck are you talking about ?
  140. @SolontoCroesus
    What little I know about Himmler is that he was a puny, evil man who ran his own show outside the awareness of Hitler, and that he murdered a lot of Jewish people. Don't know anything about his diary -- who is publishing?

    I don't understand what you are saying about Edwin Black, essay vs book. Black has developed a kind of franchise operation, a network of researchers who contribute to his numerous books on aspects of holocaustism.

    What about the Trilogy by Evans?
     
    I read a few Amazon reviews of the Trilogy; also read reviews of Evans's "Lying About Hitler," -- his book about his work on Deborah Lipstadt's defense team, which hired Evans to testify against David Irving:

    (From the Amazon review):

    As an expert witness for the defense in last year's Irving-Lipstadt trial, Evans (history, Cambridge Univ.) was charged with determining whether David Irving was, as Deborah Lipstadt asserted, a Holocaust denier. Evans spent two years researching Irving's work, tracing his sources, and then evaluating his publications and public speeches. Moving easily from analysis of Irving's abuse of primary documents to a discussion of what constitutes legitimate historical methodology, Evans presents compelling proof that Irving is a Holocaust denier and why he should not be considered a legitimate member of the historical profession.

    Evans's depiction of the trial and of Irving's behavior in court is followed by an assessment of the implications of the judgment in Lipstadt's favor.

    Evans's point that some commentators seemed to forget that it was Irving who was attempting to silence Lipstadt, rather than academic historians and "Jewish interest groups" attempting to stifle free speech, is well worth remembering. Evans eloquently argues that what was really on trial was history itself. Fortunately, history won.

    Ironically, Evans's carefully documented book has not yet been published in the U.K., as Irving's threats to bring a libel suit have already caused one company to drop publication.
     
    An even grander irony is in Lipstadt's subsequent behavior, when C Span prepared to host Lipstadt to discuss her book about the trial. C Span producer Connie Doebele invited Irving to appear to tell his side of the story. Lipstadt pulled the pillars down: she called upon an army of "Jewish interest groups" to besiege Doebele/C Span; she arranged for editorials in major newspapers decrying C Span's plan. Lipstadt ultimately cancelled the appearance; Doebele was made to appear at the knee of C Span manager Richard Weinstein and make her mea culpas for the sin seeking to tell both sides of the story.

    The most obvious take-away is that hewing to the Jewish line on holocaust can make one a wealthy person -- Evans was paid handsomely by Lipstadt's team. OTOH offering information contrary to the Jewish doxology can ruin a person, even land them in jail -- Irving has been fined, imprisoned, had his records taken by the British government, been the victim of arson and other attacks on his person and property, for the crime of presenting evidence about history with which Jewish people do not agree. Recall that it was Irving who was among the first to bring the enormous tragedy of the firebombing of Dresden to the attention of the American public.

    Evans declared that Irving, untrained as an historian, does not belong among historians, but Max Hastings is not trained as an historian yet the British monarchy made him a knight and honors him as Britain's preeminent historian. Hastings strokes British and Jewish feathers the right way and is rewarded for so doing.

    I suppose what I'm tending toward is extreme skepticism wrt to the objectivity of any history of WWII and Germany that Evans may produce.

    btw, the late R H S Stolfi, who taught at Naval War College I believe, wrote an acclaimed book on Panzer warfare. In his later years Stolfi wrote "Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny," a critique of the the one-dimensional depictions of Hitler produced by Kershaw, Bullock and the like.

    The first bio of Hitler that I recall reading, many years ago, was titled "Psychopathic God." This Stanza from W H Auden's September 1939 formed the epigraph:

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

    By its very nature the concept of holocaust denial undermines the possibility of Accurate Scholarship. It's bunkum; no American should allow himself to be painted into that anti-intellectual corner.

    PS the more I learn the more it seems that such characters as Sam Untermyer and Vladimir Jabotinsky, Rabbi Wise and Henry Morgenthau, Jr.; the Netanyahus, father and son, fit the description of "psychopathic gods" evolved from "huge imago s."

    Don’t know anything about his diary — who is publishing?

    Newly discovered diaries of Heinrich Himmler, the head of the Nazi Gestapo and the SS, have highlighted the daily routine of one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany.
    The diaries, which were discovered in the archives of the Russian Defense Ministry in Podolsk 2013, covers the years 1937, 1938, 1947, and 1948, according to DW. Entries in the 1,000-page document, indicating Himmler’s daily schedule, were reportedly typed by an adjutant daily.
    The German Historical Institute (DHI) is set to publish the lost Himmler diaries in 2017. However, German newspaper Bild has published excerpts of the document.
    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3378091/lost-himmler-diaries-sheds-light-on-daily-life-of-powerful-nazi-officer/#RJAi1Gdgg1xMtioR.99

    Recall that it was Irving who was among the first to bring the enormous tragedy of the firebombing of Dresden to the attention of the American public.

    I copied the following from Wiki which to my mind contradicts this statement.

    On 16 February, the Propaganda Ministry issued a press release that stated that Dresden had no war industries; it was a city of culture.[91]
    On 25 February, a new leaflet with photographs of two burned children was released under the title “Dresden—Massacre of Refugees,” stating that 200,000 had died. Frederick Taylor states that “there is good reason to believe that later in March copies of—or extracts from—[an official police report] were leaked to the neutral press by Goebbels’s Propaganda Ministry … doctored with an extra zero to make [the total dead from the raid] 202,040″.[12] On 4 March, Das Reich, a weekly newspaper founded by Goebbels, published a lengthy article emphasizing the suffering and destruction of a cultural icon,
    The unease was made worse by an Associated Press story that the Allies had resorted to terror bombing. At a press briefing held by the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force two days after the raids, British Air Commodore Colin McKay Grierson told journalists:
    First of all they (Dresden and similar towns) are the centres…

    I don’t understand what you are saying about Edwin Black, essay vs book.

    You asked if I had read his book, The Transfer Agreement, and I said no. I said that I thought a subject like that could be covered in a good essay. He, Ed Black, has such an essay at The Jewish Virtual Library.

    On the topic of books, and re: RobinG’s comment, were you wanting me to say that I had read one or more of those books so that you could say that I had read the “wrong” books? Gullible me assumed that forthrightness was a part of a “serious” discussion.

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    I, too, need to work to earn my daily bread, iffen, and today there's a full menu of dough to be kneaded & I don't have time to fully respond.
    Beyond that, it would be almost cruel to fully respond to what I assume you offered up as a refutation of my statement about Irving's history of the bombing of Dresden.

    OBVIOUSLY the German people and the people of Dresden knew they had been bombed, and OBVIOUSLY Germany's propaganda ministry would work to explain it and to turn the OBVIOUS bombing in a way that would inspirit the German people: would you have expected Goebbels to publish posters encouraging the German people to turn lights on to make Allied targeting easier?

    Even today many--but not all or even most-- Americans are aware that the US, or was it the British?-- bombed Dresden. But how many Americans are aware that the USA in concert with the British planned to terror bomb Germany -- that is, to bomb civilians in a deliberate attempt to break their morale -- even before 1938? (You won't find that information on wikipedia, iffen). It's for damn sure most Americans, actually, not even a slender minority of Americans, are aware that the USA, with the collaboration of "the Jewish architect," Erich Mendelsohn, and Hollywood studio set designers (Hollywood studios were run almost exclusively by Jewish people in the 1930s and 1940s) built and furnished precise replicas of German (and Japanese) workers housing and practiced firebombing them to develop the "most efficient way" of creating a firestorm to incinerate the maximum number of people and civilian infrastructure. The furnishings in German Village included cribs, anticipating that the people intended to be burned alive included infants.

    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five in 1969. Vonnegut acknowledged Irving's work on Dresden (1963) on the very first page of the book. In the text of his novel, Vonnegut wrote:

    "I wrote the Air Force back then, asking for details about the raid on Dresden, who ordered it, how many planes did it, why they did it, what desirable results there had been
    and so on. I was answered by a man who, like myself, was in public relations. He said that he was sorry, but that the information was top secret still.
    I read the letter out loud to my wife, and I said, 'Secret? My God-from whom?'
    . . .
    That must have been in 1964 or so."
     
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    No, I wasn't wanting you to say XYZ so that I could say you had read the wrong books; the argument is far more devastating.

    First, as noted above, the authors of the listed books acknowledge that they made use of the German archives, that were then under the control of Robert Wolfe, for significant material in their respective books.

    Second, this conversation started with mention of Sam Untermyer's speech in August 1933. I noted that the date is important. Parts of Untermyer's speech were in boldface type:

    "the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people.
     
    In "FDR and the Jews," Richard Breitman wrote, on the first page:

    "[Adolf Hitler came to power January 30, 1933.] Yet before the war Nazi oppression of German Jews followed a jagged trajectory. Some Nazi activists physically assaulted Jews in the early exuberant days of Hitler's semi legal revolution. Once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence . . . against Jews. Only in late 1938 did central authorities . . .for the first time . . .imprison tens of thousands of German Jews in concentration camps that also held other alleged enemies of Hitler's new Reich."
     
    If Breitman got his information from German documents; and Breitman said that "Nazis curbed violence against Jews," what was Untermyer talking about? What was he up to?

    In "The Transfer Agreement," Edwin Black quoted an incident that Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded in his autobiography (The Challenging Years); namely, a conversation between Wise and Louis Brandeis that took place on or before Feb. 14, 1933. Brandeis directed that "All Jews must leave Germany . . . I urge that no Jew remain in Germany." Wise replied, "How shall 587,000 Jewish people be removed from Germany?" Brandeis waved aside Wise's complaint: "I urge that no Jew remain in Germany."
    Black then explained that German Jews were needed to migrate to Palestine because only German Jews had sufficient wealth to satisfy British regulations, and the zionist project was in great financial peril and would fail if it did not receive an infusion of German Jewish wealth.

    It should be noted that Untermyer's speech occurred upon his return from a meeting in Europe of Jewish leaders from around the world. "International Jewry" had already "declared war on Germany" and initiated an boycott of German export and trade intended to "destroy the trade upon which Germany's existence depends."
    It should also be noted that that speech or subsequent speeches by Untermyer (I forget which) was before a Jewish audience assembled for fundraising purposes, to finance construction of Hebrew University in Rehovath. By 1937-38 Erich Mendelsohn, "the Jewish architect," completed a phase of that construction as well as luxury residences for Chaim Weizmann and for the Schocken family, both in Rehovath.

    Cycle back to Rabbi Wise and his autobiography, where he noted that he received many, many notes and letters from Jews in Germany who pleaded with him to cease the provocations of Germany's government. German Jews were in many instances in accord with German policies that spelled out clearly the rules of engagement, and Jews were not opposed to those rules. Moreover, German Jews were not willing to give up their comfortable lives in Germany for the uncertainties of life in not-yet-developed Palestine. Wise wrote that he "stopped opening the letters" from German Jews.

    It seems fair to surmise that Untermyer's bombastic speech and statements about "planned extermination of German Jews," statements totally divorced from reality, according to Breitman's report, fits that commonest of all categories, an attempt to evoke fear in order to induce German Jews to do that which they were otherwise unwilling to do.

    gotta go now .... too bad: I'd like to expand a bit more on Brandeis and his concern for German Jews at a time when it was Polish and Russian Jews who were under mortal threat ...
  141. @RobinG
    Are you sure those were all recommendations? Or was S2C citing orthodox texts? Or some of both?
    I've read "Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich" word for word, and Shirer leaves no inch for revisionist theories. If anyone disagrees, give chapter and verse, please, or say where you're reading between the lines, and I'll review.

    Is revisionist the PC term for Holocaust denier? If so, I think that I will start using it. Is the term widely accepted in your community? I am working on reducing my ad hominem remarks and calling people by their preferred label will be part of it.

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    Better make that Revisionist - you wouldn't want to get confused with devotees of David Samuel "Sam" Peckinpah*, now would you?

    *The Peckinpahs originated from the Frisian Islands in the northwest of Europe. Both sides of Peckinpah's family migrated to the American West by covered wagon in the mid-19th century.
  142. @helena
    "its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem?"

    Back to my problem (!) - is the above why you think Corbyn's policies are interesting? You don't think that the UK would end up with massive unpayable debt and either go the way of Greece or Cuba? I don't see any escape from the global financial network so i think countries basically have to elect governments that can work with the global system rather than trying to start something new - or is that hopelessly naive?

    Hi Helena:

    There is little likelihood of Britain going the way of Cuba or Greece, were it to issue £500bn or even £1tr in infrastructure bonds to finance the projects proposed by Corbyn [quite another matter whether Labour can actually execute it well, refrain from pork-barrel waste or a surfeit of grift]. The British Pound is a reserve currency, backed by British assets, British productivity, British manufacturing and above all, human capital that the Island and it’s territories continue to enjoy.

    Don’t fret over the “global financial network”; it is there and it has contributed to the inequality of income that plagues much of the world; yet it has also made the global economic system far more resilient to headwinds. Global central banks can work in co-ordination to absorb shocks produced in any part of the system. Comparing U.K’s position to Greece, let alone Cuba, is the game of charlatans. It issues in it’s own currency which is also a constituent of the basket of premier reserves: U.S dollar, Euro, Pound, Yen, Renminbi and perhaps Swiss Franc. The only concern, a really really remote one, is if accelerating inflation takes over. I would put the probability of that at 0.01% :-) and even if it occurred, BoE can extinguish it rapidly. I reckon the £500bn will produce a 2.5-3%% growth in the U.K, if properly executed. With sustained [meaning 5yr +] fiscal investments, the jobs are going to be permanent and go a long way to reduce the numbers of the precariat [ Read More

  143. @iffen
    OK not very Christian of me

    It strikes me as being akin to how I think the Nazis thought.

    You are speaking from gut instinct – a fine traditional one in our civilisation it is true – as evidenced by your failing to explain what on the face of it is the direct opposite of the fact. I.e. the Nazis did not discriminate between Jews and gypsies and, if anything, treated the Jews worse because of their dangerous abilities.

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    When considering which group of people deserve to get genocided more than another, it is my opinion that whether one group exceeds another in cultural and educational accomplishments does not qualify as a valid criterion.
  144. @Wizard of Oz
    You are speaking from gut instinct - a fine traditional one in our civilisation it is true - as evidenced by your failing to explain what on the face of it is the direct opposite of the fact. I.e. the Nazis did not discriminate between Jews and gypsies and, if anything, treated the Jews worse because of their dangerous abilities.

    When considering which group of people deserve to get genocided more than another, it is my opinion that whether one group exceeds another in cultural and educational accomplishments does not qualify as a valid criterion.

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    I fall back on precision - that's my description anyway. I don't accept the logical implications of the way you frame the question. That is that some groups might "deserve" to be wiped out [genocided as you put it] more than others, or at all.
  145. @Sam Shama
    Any one of us, at any particular point in time have for one reason or another, thought of destroying someone [an internet anonymous for that purpose is handy :) ] . I am sure Wiz would in real life, not make that value judgement re: a Jew over a gypsy. [sayeth I, a Jew who on one occasion, was relieved of his wallet, passport and protein bar, by a group of gyp-critters at Gare St. Lazare in the Paris Metro]

    There is certainly a big difference between theorising and acting and all sorts of factors come into it.

    For example, if I was demented without hope of remission I would want to be knocked off in the way which would give maximum financial relief of not benefit to the family. But I don’t think I would like the younger members of my family to be the sort of person who could do it.

    If it was a matter of only being able to hide one person threatened with certain desth and the choice was between a learned old rabbi with many children and a brilliant young gypsy violinist I have no trouble supposing that I would choose the gypsy.

    But in 1000 hypothetical cases which depended on my abstract values and sense of probable outcomes I can easily imagine Jews being saved ahead of gypsies. OK no problem you may say. “I can see you are makinga utilitarian judgment** after looking at individuals as individuals”. But what about group judgments? Same utilitarian criteria but likely to be on less precise evidence and more subject tobideological or H-bd generalisations/prejudices. Yes I would divert the SS to the gypsy camp and rush off to tell the Jews tonleave the stetl in all probability rather than the other way round if one couldn’t somehow save both. Of course I like to think I cpuld have sent the SS put on to a freshly frozen lake…
    **hard questions, even harder questions, would arise when preserving those who might for a time look after children could be a choice. But “women and children first” hss its limits if none of them could stop the lifeboat from sinking and in the endeating the cabin boy might be defensible!

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  146. @iffen
    When considering which group of people deserve to get genocided more than another, it is my opinion that whether one group exceeds another in cultural and educational accomplishments does not qualify as a valid criterion.

    I fall back on precision – that’s my description anyway. I don’t accept the logical implications of the way you frame the question. That is that some groups might “deserve” to be wiped out [genocided as you put it] more than others, or at all.

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    you frame the question.

    I didn't make it Sophie's choice, you did.
  147. @Rurik

    Ok champ; its debt that you owe to yourself in the future, so if the U.S. economy as a whole keeps growing faster what is the problem? Please be pithy.

     

    ahh, you've just hit on the holy grail

    growth

    because the leaches latched firmly to the skin of the working man in this country, are greedily slurping out the shekels from his efforts- and are always growing, (like the ticks that they are), they always need more and more. Because the fake debt that we're all paying interest on always keeps growing too. So that's why we always have to import more immigrants, to keep the economy growing and the demand for housing and all the other scams they're running.

    Tick juice is what we need. We just drop some tick juice on these ticks, tell the Fed we'll print our own money thankyouverymuch, and then lock them all up in pound-ass prison for a few decades.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216

    LOL. Any evidence that we are like Weimar? Is our productive capacity destroyed such that it takes a barrow of cash to buy a roll of gum?
     
    you're usually not such an imbecile Sam. If you'd have bothered to read what I wrote, you'd know why I'm saying that. ;)

    Allright, so do explain to this imbecile, where you spot a lack of growth in the U.S.

    Here is real [meaning inflation adjusted] disposable personal Income

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A229RX0

    Rurik, you are grasping at straws with a great deal of hand-waving to grasp said straws.

    [because the leaches latched firmly to the skin of the working man in this country, are greedily slurping out the shekels from his efforts- and are always growing, (like the ticks that they are), they always need more and more. Because the fake debt that we’re all paying interest on always keeps growing too. So that’s why we always have to import more immigrants, to keep the economy growing and the demand for housing and all the other scams they’re running.]

    Far too many metaphors. You are speaking of Jews=banksters= Fed=Debt=ticks right? Well come out and say it without resorting to subterfuge. Again if you actually had any information regarding personal tax rates in the U.S. you would have known that this country has the lowest rate amongst developed countries:

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate

    So again wtf are you talking about? If you hate Jews so much, just come out and say it clearly. At the risk of subject drift, I say to you, the Jews you hate are not going anywhere and for whatever reason we are reasonably successful in the country and in many other nations. Do we network? Yes. Why don’t you? Do we control the media ? Not exclusively, and even if we do, what of it? Compete with us man! Do we control finance? We are influential sure, but did we stop you from competing? Do you understand the meaning of competition mate? [btw Trump likes kosher style as well, didn't you notice?]

    Immigrants. Yes they are receiving a great many from Mexico, but that has very little to do with our unemployed Whites. You are an unapologetic 88 I realise, but I should expect you to say that you hate the mexxers just on account of their …..whatever, and not conflate it with any imagined economic condition of Whites, which if anything is squarely explained by our China policy:

    http://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/decline-us-manufacturing-jobs-tied-shift-china-trade-policy

    When you say “If you’d have bothered to read what I wrote, you’d know why I’m saying that.” you are depositing the steaming stuff; nothing to be so chuffed about, with the smileys etc., mate. If your point is that we aren’t conducting monetary policy of the Weimar such that we won’t see hyperinflation, then you basically just propped up a straw man when you even mentioned the Weimar. If there was a deeper point, please indulge me and explain. And spare me Matt Taibbi’s dated articles. I read this one back in 2011, buh-leeeve me. We are talking about growth in the U.S. which is manifestly here [even as I write this, the payroll numbers came in at 255k, that is 255k new jobs produced in the last month].

    What the fuck are you talking about ?

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    [We are talking about growth in the U.S. which is manifestly here]

    I beg to differ, Sam; precious little of a solid kind:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=6jGO
    , @Rurik

    What the fuck are you talking about ?
     
    I'm saying the Federal Reserve Bank is a scam and a swindle and a fraud Sam

    I'm saying that it loots the value of every dollar saved by hard-working people who've sweated and struggled to put some cash away only to have their savings turned into a pile of manure by the criminals running the Fed. That's what I'm saying Sam. The charter of the Fed says it's purpose for existence is to maintain the value of the dollar, and then like that doctor who poisoned his patience for profit, the banksters at the Fed do exactly the opposite of what they're trusted to do, by inflating the currency and handing out billions to their buddies. That's what I'm saying Sam.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV0MyMpcSp4

    this fraudulent swindle has been responsible for the rise of the .0001% to stratospheric wealth while the rest of the people languish or worse. Now you can gloat all you want to about how these Jews have been able to trick the stupid goyim and loot them use them as cannon fodder for wars for Israel, if that amuses you. But it seems a little crass to me Sam.

    What we should be doing is looking at these institutions that are being used by the .0001% and central banksters to loot and destroy so many people's lives Sam. Not gloating about how well you Jews network and such. That's all very fine and well. I have no problem personally with anyone networking or seeking prosperity, unless it's done by less than honorable means, and more to the point, is causing the world to be driven to the brink by the uber-corruption of Wall Street and the governments of the West, that are busy slaughtering and destroying the lives of millions of people all over the globe for the greater glory of that shitty little Nazi state. Wouldn't you agree Sam?

    Don't you think it would be beneficial if the people of the world could rein in these out of control .001%s who're causing so much suffering and misery as they stuff their pockets with so much ill-gotten lucre?

    Surely you agree with that Sam!

    and that, btw, is what the fuck I'm talking about ;)
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Very interesting Sam, just after I have made a tentative comparison between high IQ educated Jews and the English and American upper and upper middle classes of say 100 years ago that you should write of "we" (Jews) and your networking.

    How does it work? Who does it exclude/discriminate against? Why is it necessary/justified as an exclusive Jewish thing?

    I have Jewish friends and acquaintances whom I would not hesitate to tap for advice to or reference for a young relative or a donation to or work for a cause including ones who tell me e.g. "my mother would have been very upset if I had married outside the community". Barristers are usually more tribally barristers upholding Bar traditions than tribally anything else but would never be surprised to find publicans having theirliquor license appeals handled by counsel of Irish Catholic background and rich Jewish businessmen would be expected to give retainers to Jewish counsel more often than to gentiles. But I think you are meaning something more close knit than this? Would the Freemasons perhaps be or have been comparable networkers - except that Masons aren't an ethnic group?

    By the way I had the impression you were English and lived and work in the UK. Have you moved, or moved back to the US?

    , @iffen
    Immigrants. Yes they are receiving a great many from Mexico, but that has very little to do with our unemployed Whites.

    Sam, I just now started reading some of your posts on finance and economics and found this. It can't be correct.
  148. @Wizard of Oz
    I fall back on precision - that's my description anyway. I don't accept the logical implications of the way you frame the question. That is that some groups might "deserve" to be wiped out [genocided as you put it] more than others, or at all.

    you frame the question.

    I didn’t make it Sophie’s choice, you did.

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    I don't accept that I *made* anything Sophie's choice but I do acknowledge that I raised Sophie's choice questions in replying to Sam Shama.
  149. @iffen
    Don’t know anything about his diary — who is publishing?

    Newly discovered diaries of Heinrich Himmler, the head of the Nazi Gestapo and the SS, have highlighted the daily routine of one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany.
    The diaries, which were discovered in the archives of the Russian Defense Ministry in Podolsk 2013, covers the years 1937, 1938, 1947, and 1948, according to DW. Entries in the 1,000-page document, indicating Himmler’s daily schedule, were reportedly typed by an adjutant daily.
    The German Historical Institute (DHI) is set to publish the lost Himmler diaries in 2017. However, German newspaper Bild has published excerpts of the document.
    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3378091/lost-himmler-diaries-sheds-light-on-daily-life-of-powerful-nazi-officer/#RJAi1Gdgg1xMtioR.99
     
    Recall that it was Irving who was among the first to bring the enormous tragedy of the firebombing of Dresden to the attention of the American public.

    I copied the following from Wiki which to my mind contradicts this statement.

    On 16 February, the Propaganda Ministry issued a press release that stated that Dresden had no war industries; it was a city of culture.[91]
    On 25 February, a new leaflet with photographs of two burned children was released under the title "Dresden—Massacre of Refugees," stating that 200,000 had died. Frederick Taylor states that "there is good reason to believe that later in March copies of—or extracts from—[an official police report] were leaked to the neutral press by Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry ... doctored with an extra zero to make [the total dead from the raid] 202,040".[12] On 4 March, Das Reich, a weekly newspaper founded by Goebbels, published a lengthy article emphasizing the suffering and destruction of a cultural icon,
    The unease was made worse by an Associated Press story that the Allies had resorted to terror bombing. At a press briefing held by the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force two days after the raids, British Air Commodore Colin McKay Grierson told journalists:
    First of all they (Dresden and similar towns) are the centres...
     
    I don’t understand what you are saying about Edwin Black, essay vs book.

    You asked if I had read his book, The Transfer Agreement, and I said no. I said that I thought a subject like that could be covered in a good essay. He, Ed Black, has such an essay at The Jewish Virtual Library.

    On the topic of books, and re: RobinG’s comment, were you wanting me to say that I had read one or more of those books so that you could say that I had read the “wrong” books? Gullible me assumed that forthrightness was a part of a “serious” discussion.

    I, too, need to work to earn my daily bread, iffen, and today there’s a full menu of dough to be kneaded & I don’t have time to fully respond.
    Beyond that, it would be almost cruel to fully respond to what I assume you offered up as a refutation of my statement about Irving’s history of the bombing of Dresden.

    OBVIOUSLY the German people and the people of Dresden knew they had been bombed, and OBVIOUSLY Germany’s propaganda ministry would work to explain it and to turn the OBVIOUS bombing in a way that would inspirit the German people: would you have expected Goebbels to publish posters encouraging the German people to turn lights on to make Allied targeting easier?

    Even today many–but not all or even most– Americans are aware that the US, or was it the British?– bombed Dresden. But how many Americans are aware that the USA in concert with the British planned to terror bomb Germany — that is, to bomb civilians in a deliberate attempt to break their morale — even before 1938? (You won’t find that information on wikipedia, iffen). It’s for damn sure most Americans, actually, not even a slender minority of Americans, are aware that the USA, with the collaboration of “the Jewish architect,” Erich Mendelsohn, and Hollywood studio set designers (Hollywood studios were run almost exclusively by Jewish people in the 1930s and 1940s) built and furnished precise replicas of German (and Japanese) workers housing and practiced firebombing them to develop the “most efficient way” of creating a firestorm to incinerate the maximum number of people and civilian infrastructure. The furnishings in German Village included cribs, anticipating that the people intended to be burned alive included infants.

    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five in 1969. Vonnegut acknowledged Irving’s work on Dresden (1963) on the very first page of the book. In the text of his novel, Vonnegut wrote:

    “I wrote the Air Force back then, asking for details about the raid on Dresden, who ordered it, how many planes did it, why they did it, what desirable results there had been
    and so on. I was answered by a man who, like myself, was in public relations. He said that he was sorry, but that the information was top secret still.
    I read the letter out loud to my wife, and I said, ‘Secret? My God-from whom?’
    . . .
    That must have been in 1964 or so.”


    No, I wasn’t wanting you to say XYZ so that I could say you had read the wrong books; the argument is far more devastating.

    First, as noted above, the authors of the listed books acknowledge that they made use of the German archives, that were then under the control of Robert Wolfe, for significant material in their respective books.

    Second, this conversation started with mention of Sam Untermyer’s speech in August 1933. I noted that the date is important. Parts of Untermyer’s speech were in boldface type:

    the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people.

    In “FDR and the Jews,” Richard Breitman wrote, on the first page:

    “[Adolf Hitler came to power January 30, 1933.] Yet before the war Nazi oppression of German Jews followed a jagged trajectory. Some Nazi activists physically assaulted Jews in the early exuberant days of Hitler’s semi legal revolution. Once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence . . . against Jews. Only in late 1938 did central authorities . . .for the first time . . .imprison tens of thousands of German Jews in concentration camps that also held other alleged enemies of Hitler’s new Reich.”

    If Breitman got his information from German documents; and Breitman said that “Nazis curbed violence against Jews,” what was Untermyer talking about? What was he up to?

    In “The Transfer Agreement,” Edwin Black quoted an incident that Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded in his autobiography (The Challenging Years); namely, a conversation between Wise and Louis Brandeis that took place on or before Feb. 14, 1933. Brandeis directed that “All Jews must leave Germany . . . I urge that no Jew remain in Germany.” Wise replied, “How shall 587,000 Jewish people be removed from Germany?” Brandeis waved aside Wise’s complaint: “I urge that no Jew remain in Germany.”
    Black then explained that German Jews were needed to migrate to Palestine because only German Jews had sufficient wealth to satisfy British regulations, and the zionist project was in great financial peril and would fail if it did not receive an infusion of German Jewish wealth.

    It should be noted that Untermyer’s speech occurred upon his return from a meeting in Europe of Jewish leaders from around the world. “International Jewry” had already “declared war on Germany” and initiated an boycott of German export and trade intended to “destroy the trade upon which Germany’s existence depends.”
    It should also be noted that that speech or subsequent speeches by Untermyer (I forget which) was before a Jewish audience assembled for fundraising purposes, to finance construction of Hebrew University in Rehovath. By 1937-38 Erich Mendelsohn, “the Jewish architect,” completed a phase of that construction as well as luxury residences for Chaim Weizmann and for the Schocken family, both in Rehovath.

    Cycle back to Rabbi Wise and his autobiography, where he noted that he received many, many notes and letters from Jews in Germany who pleaded with him to cease the provocations of Germany’s government. German Jews were in many instances in accord with German policies that spelled out clearly the rules of engagement, and Jews were not opposed to those rules. Moreover, German Jews were not willing to give up their comfortable lives in Germany for the uncertainties of life in not-yet-developed Palestine. Wise wrote that he “stopped opening the letters” from German Jews.

    It seems fair to surmise that Untermyer’s bombastic speech and statements about “planned extermination of German Jews,” statements totally divorced from reality, according to Breitman’s report, fits that commonest of all categories, an attempt to evoke fear in order to induce German Jews to do that which they were otherwise unwilling to do.

    gotta go now …. too bad: I’d like to expand a bit more on Brandeis and his concern for German Jews at a time when it was Polish and Russian Jews who were under mortal threat …

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    OBVIOUSLY Germany’s propaganda ministry would work to explain it and to turn the OBVIOUS bombing in a way that would inspirit the German people:

    Obviously the propaganda was directed toward world opinion. You did notice the Associated Press in bold, didn’t you?

    Even today many–but not all or even most– Americans are aware

    If one of my hurdles is going to be defending the historical ignorance of most Americans, I forfeit it all to you.

    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five in 1969.

    I read Slaughterhouse Five, likely in 1970, but did not remember the shout-out to Irving. The essence I retained, so I have been aware of the fire-bombing of Dresden all these years; the fire-bombing of Tokyo too.

    First, as noted above, the authors of the listed books acknowledge that they made use of the German archives, that were then under the control of Robert Wolfe, for significant material in their respective books.

    This is just one source. There are literally thousands of source materials.

    My impression is that your revisionist history is a rabbit hole inside a rabbit hole.

    Anyway, I want to thank you for all the names and information.

    I am going to leave you off the CTI list for now. Helena keeps badgering me to “listen” to all the evidence.
  150. @SolontoCroesus
    and @ RobinG

    What the three books/authors mentioned have in common is their reliance on documentation that Allies acquired (ahem) from Germany in the closing days of the war. Shirer explains in the opening pages of Rise and Fall that the amount of enemy archives taken by the adversary (Allies) from the vanquished (Germany) is unprecedented in human history. Shirer's version of the history of the Nazis, based on his perusal of some of those documents, sold many hundreds of thousands of copies and became the basis for an entire generation's understanding of the war. It is relied upon to this day: Eric Larson wrote in the introductory material to "In the Garden of Beasts" that he relied on Shirer's work to produce his own best-selling work of creative non-fiction (Larson concedes that he is a failed novelist who finally found success with creative non-fiction genre.)

    What is even more interesting is that a man named Robert Wolfe, raised in a Jewish (Yiddish-speaking) household in Vermont; enlisted in 1942; instrumental in obtaining a set of microfilm that was created, contrary to orders, by a man who worked as a translator in the Third Reich and was a dual-British-German national. Wolfe came across the gent in the last days of the war when the dual-national tried to get in touch with an old school chum from Britain, a chum who happened to be Winston Churchill's son-in-law. The dual-national led an Allied team to the place where he had hidden film of files he was supposed to have destroyed.

    Wolfe went on to use that material and much additional material from documents Allies recovered from German hiding places, in his role as assistant to prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials.

    And then -- Wolfe was put in charge of archiving and copying the tons of documents that the Allies obtained from Germany and had shipped to England and to Alexandria, Virginia. This would have been in the early to late 1950s, when Shirer was writing Rise and Fall.

    And then -- In the early 1960s Wolfe was employed by the US government as archivist in charge of the German documents not stored at US National Archives. Wolfe held that post for over 30 years. In that capacity, Wolfe kept the documents under lock and key in heavily secured cells, admitting searchers at his discretion and assigning to himself the sole authority to select documents to be viewed by researchers.

    When Wolfe died at age 93, Edwin Black wrote an effusive tribute, thanking Wolfe for leading him to information about the zionist collaboration with Nazis that is known as the Transfer Agreement. As Black observed in his book, the details of that Jewish-Nazi collaboration were unknown until 1979. (What else remains unknown? Incidentally -- 70-years on, Israel is keeping a tight lid on documents in its archives. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-archive-idUSKCN0XH1OZ )

    Richard Breitman also wrote, as a representative of an entire community of holocaust historians, in praise of Wolfe's contributions to "knowledge of the holocaust" through the latter's efforts at maintaining control over the German archive.

    ---
    Let me tell you a little story. Some years ago a water line in a second floor bathroom burst, resulting in damage to walls and ceilings, etc. An insurance adjuster arrived the day after the incident, together with a plumber that the insurance company hired. In my presence alongside the adjuster, the plumber removed the burst pipe from the fixture, asked me to identify it, put it in a bag sealed under the adjuster's, the plumber's, and my signature. I was asked to sign an affidavit about who had installed the pipe, etc. The pipe in its signed and sealed bag was sent to the insurance company's lab. The purpose was to determine who was responsible for the $2000 in damages. The chain of custody was explicit and subscribed to a system of checks-and-balances; an audit trail.

    No such chain of custody exists with respect to the German documents that, unique in all of history, are in the custody of the United States, and that had been controlled by an individual who can scarcely be thought to be objective, and upon which documents the entire narrative of the holocaust has been based.

    Jewish people used those documents to condemn hundreds of German leaders and warriors to death; Jewish people used those documents to extract billions of dollars from Germany and from the United States.

    There is absolutely no assurance or system of assurances that highly significant documents of an exculpatory nature wrt to Germany; or of a nature that would have cast a negative light upon Jewish activities in Germany or elsewhere in the war, were not destroyed or removed from the files.

    A complete, true, and objective understanding of Allied and German -- and Jewish -- activities leading to- and in the war and post-war is impossible to be known because the chain of custody of the German archives is irreparably breached.

    So a pithy summary might be: The Allies confiscated the methodical documents of the Nazi Third Reich, locked them away from public scrutiny, followed by indiscriminate falsification by Jews [and Anglos] to erect an entirely spurious account of the Holocaust for posterity and the eternal benefit of world Jewry.

    [full disclosure: I haven't read Shirer's Rise and Fall even as it resides in my father's library, prominently neighbouring Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples and The Second World War, both of which I have read ]

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    Lose the loaded language and over-generalizations; add some essential details, and yeah, the first paragraph is about right.
  151. @Sam Shama
    Allright, so do explain to this imbecile, where you spot a lack of growth in the U.S.

    Here is real [meaning inflation adjusted] disposable personal Income

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A229RX0

    Rurik, you are grasping at straws with a great deal of hand-waving to grasp said straws.

    [because the leaches latched firmly to the skin of the working man in this country, are greedily slurping out the shekels from his efforts- and are always growing, (like the ticks that they are), they always need more and more. Because the fake debt that we’re all paying interest on always keeps growing too. So that’s why we always have to import more immigrants, to keep the economy growing and the demand for housing and all the other scams they’re running.]

    Far too many metaphors. You are speaking of Jews=banksters= Fed=Debt=ticks right? Well come out and say it without resorting to subterfuge. Again if you actually had any information regarding personal tax rates in the U.S. you would have known that this country has the lowest rate amongst developed countries:

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate

    So again wtf are you talking about? If you hate Jews so much, just come out and say it clearly. At the risk of subject drift, I say to you, the Jews you hate are not going anywhere and for whatever reason we are reasonably successful in the country and in many other nations. Do we network? Yes. Why don't you? Do we control the media ? Not exclusively, and even if we do, what of it? Compete with us man! Do we control finance? We are influential sure, but did we stop you from competing? Do you understand the meaning of competition mate? [btw Trump likes kosher style as well, didn't you notice?]

    Immigrants. Yes they are receiving a great many from Mexico, but that has very little to do with our unemployed Whites. You are an unapologetic 88 I realise, but I should expect you to say that you hate the mexxers just on account of their .....whatever, and not conflate it with any imagined economic condition of Whites, which if anything is squarely explained by our China policy:

    http://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/decline-us-manufacturing-jobs-tied-shift-china-trade-policy


    When you say "If you’d have bothered to read what I wrote, you’d know why I’m saying that." you are depositing the steaming stuff; nothing to be so chuffed about, with the smileys etc., mate. If your point is that we aren't conducting monetary policy of the Weimar such that we won't see hyperinflation, then you basically just propped up a straw man when you even mentioned the Weimar. If there was a deeper point, please indulge me and explain. And spare me Matt Taibbi's dated articles. I read this one back in 2011, buh-leeeve me. We are talking about growth in the U.S. which is manifestly here [even as I write this, the payroll numbers came in at 255k, that is 255k new jobs produced in the last month].

    What the fuck are you talking about ?

    [We are talking about growth in the U.S. which is manifestly here]

    I beg to differ, Sam; precious little of a solid kind:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=6jGO

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    Hi 5371, I don't dispute IP and man. orders have been tepid at best, and those are precisely the important factors of growth I worry about.

    I am going to succumb to the temptation of inserting a few more graphs on the other indicators [ leading, coincident and lagging: housing starts, retail sales, %change in inventories, OECD produced U.S gdp growth rate, real wages, leaving out the stock market which is of course legitimately vulnerable to the charge of leveraged buybacks propelling growth]


    H Starts
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HOUST#0

    Retail:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RSXFS#0

    % change Inventories:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMTMTI#0

    OECD US gdp growth rate:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LORSGPORUSQ661S#0

    Real Wages:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

     

    All of these indicate varying levels of forward, current and immediately preceding growth. So Industrial Production and durable goods orders are weak and there isn't a way to dance around those indicators. It is my hope that high-value-added middle stage and early stage manufacturing re-emerge in the U.S. at appreciable levels, an outcome dependent on the tricky business of essentially wresting these away from our trade "partners" without triggering a trade war. I am unreservedly in favour of maintaining a solid manufacturing base, even if it leads to comparative disadvantage, a sound trade-off in the interests of long-term demographic equity and stability. As you might reckon, this is exactly what I hope for, under a Trump administration.

    [P.S.: my somewhat agitated post to Rurik was largely provoked by the Weimar straw-man and the bewildering metaphors which prompted me to dispense with these more nuanced points]
  152. @SolontoCroesus
    I, too, need to work to earn my daily bread, iffen, and today there's a full menu of dough to be kneaded & I don't have time to fully respond.
    Beyond that, it would be almost cruel to fully respond to what I assume you offered up as a refutation of my statement about Irving's history of the bombing of Dresden.

    OBVIOUSLY the German people and the people of Dresden knew they had been bombed, and OBVIOUSLY Germany's propaganda ministry would work to explain it and to turn the OBVIOUS bombing in a way that would inspirit the German people: would you have expected Goebbels to publish posters encouraging the German people to turn lights on to make Allied targeting easier?

    Even today many--but not all or even most-- Americans are aware that the US, or was it the British?-- bombed Dresden. But how many Americans are aware that the USA in concert with the British planned to terror bomb Germany -- that is, to bomb civilians in a deliberate attempt to break their morale -- even before 1938? (You won't find that information on wikipedia, iffen). It's for damn sure most Americans, actually, not even a slender minority of Americans, are aware that the USA, with the collaboration of "the Jewish architect," Erich Mendelsohn, and Hollywood studio set designers (Hollywood studios were run almost exclusively by Jewish people in the 1930s and 1940s) built and furnished precise replicas of German (and Japanese) workers housing and practiced firebombing them to develop the "most efficient way" of creating a firestorm to incinerate the maximum number of people and civilian infrastructure. The furnishings in German Village included cribs, anticipating that the people intended to be burned alive included infants.

    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five in 1969. Vonnegut acknowledged Irving's work on Dresden (1963) on the very first page of the book. In the text of his novel, Vonnegut wrote:

    "I wrote the Air Force back then, asking for details about the raid on Dresden, who ordered it, how many planes did it, why they did it, what desirable results there had been
    and so on. I was answered by a man who, like myself, was in public relations. He said that he was sorry, but that the information was top secret still.
    I read the letter out loud to my wife, and I said, 'Secret? My God-from whom?'
    . . .
    That must have been in 1964 or so."
     
    ---
    No, I wasn't wanting you to say XYZ so that I could say you had read the wrong books; the argument is far more devastating.

    First, as noted above, the authors of the listed books acknowledge that they made use of the German archives, that were then under the control of Robert Wolfe, for significant material in their respective books.

    Second, this conversation started with mention of Sam Untermyer's speech in August 1933. I noted that the date is important. Parts of Untermyer's speech were in boldface type:

    "the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people.
     
    In "FDR and the Jews," Richard Breitman wrote, on the first page:

    "[Adolf Hitler came to power January 30, 1933.] Yet before the war Nazi oppression of German Jews followed a jagged trajectory. Some Nazi activists physically assaulted Jews in the early exuberant days of Hitler's semi legal revolution. Once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence . . . against Jews. Only in late 1938 did central authorities . . .for the first time . . .imprison tens of thousands of German Jews in concentration camps that also held other alleged enemies of Hitler's new Reich."
     
    If Breitman got his information from German documents; and Breitman said that "Nazis curbed violence against Jews," what was Untermyer talking about? What was he up to?

    In "The Transfer Agreement," Edwin Black quoted an incident that Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded in his autobiography (The Challenging Years); namely, a conversation between Wise and Louis Brandeis that took place on or before Feb. 14, 1933. Brandeis directed that "All Jews must leave Germany . . . I urge that no Jew remain in Germany." Wise replied, "How shall 587,000 Jewish people be removed from Germany?" Brandeis waved aside Wise's complaint: "I urge that no Jew remain in Germany."
    Black then explained that German Jews were needed to migrate to Palestine because only German Jews had sufficient wealth to satisfy British regulations, and the zionist project was in great financial peril and would fail if it did not receive an infusion of German Jewish wealth.

    It should be noted that Untermyer's speech occurred upon his return from a meeting in Europe of Jewish leaders from around the world. "International Jewry" had already "declared war on Germany" and initiated an boycott of German export and trade intended to "destroy the trade upon which Germany's existence depends."
    It should also be noted that that speech or subsequent speeches by Untermyer (I forget which) was before a Jewish audience assembled for fundraising purposes, to finance construction of Hebrew University in Rehovath. By 1937-38 Erich Mendelsohn, "the Jewish architect," completed a phase of that construction as well as luxury residences for Chaim Weizmann and for the Schocken family, both in Rehovath.

    Cycle back to Rabbi Wise and his autobiography, where he noted that he received many, many notes and letters from Jews in Germany who pleaded with him to cease the provocations of Germany's government. German Jews were in many instances in accord with German policies that spelled out clearly the rules of engagement, and Jews were not opposed to those rules. Moreover, German Jews were not willing to give up their comfortable lives in Germany for the uncertainties of life in not-yet-developed Palestine. Wise wrote that he "stopped opening the letters" from German Jews.

    It seems fair to surmise that Untermyer's bombastic speech and statements about "planned extermination of German Jews," statements totally divorced from reality, according to Breitman's report, fits that commonest of all categories, an attempt to evoke fear in order to induce German Jews to do that which they were otherwise unwilling to do.

    gotta go now .... too bad: I'd like to expand a bit more on Brandeis and his concern for German Jews at a time when it was Polish and Russian Jews who were under mortal threat ...

    OBVIOUSLY Germany’s propaganda ministry would work to explain it and to turn the OBVIOUS bombing in a way that would inspirit the German people:

    Obviously the propaganda was directed toward world opinion. You did notice the Associated Press in bold, didn’t you?

    Even today many–but not all or even most– Americans are aware

    If one of my hurdles is going to be defending the historical ignorance of most Americans, I forfeit it all to you.

    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five in 1969.

    I read Slaughterhouse Five, likely in 1970, but did not remember the shout-out to Irving. The essence I retained, so I have been aware of the fire-bombing of Dresden all these years; the fire-bombing of Tokyo too.

    First, as noted above, the authors of the listed books acknowledge that they made use of the German archives, that were then under the control of Robert Wolfe, for significant material in their respective books.

    This is just one source. There are literally thousands of source materials.

    My impression is that your revisionist history is a rabbit hole inside a rabbit hole.

    Anyway, I want to thank you for all the names and information.

    I am going to leave you off the CTI list for now. Helena keeps badgering me to “listen” to all the evidence.

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    This is just one source. There are literally thousands of source materials.
     
    True.
    Much of it is bogus, i.e. the Jewish woman who crapped diamonds; or the Jewish woman who was in the doorway of the gas chamber but Mengele pulled her aside, or the Jewish woman who, as a child, was in a German hospital where Mengele said she would die but those bastard German doctors and nurses nursed her back to life so that she was alive and kicking at 80+ and able to testify against a 90-year old German man who handled baggage at a train station in Poland or some damn thing.

    You alluded above to Sophie's choice and apparently think it's history. Have you ever thought about the choices French women had to make about which of their children to save when the Allies bombed France, killing 70,000 French civilians? How many books have been written and movies produced about German women who saw their babies reduced to smudges on a wall by Allied firebombing? Erich Mendelsohn was instrumental in planning that incineration. Today there are numerous synagogues and other Jewish-related buildings built by Erich Mendelsohn where Jewish people acclaim him. Jules Streicher was killed for writing nasty things about Jews; Mendelsohn, instrumental in the deliberate incineration of German babies, is venerated by Jews in the synagogues he designed.

    There are very few books from- and by- the German point of view; Americans and British were able to cull and censor a massive amount of that information before German historians or leaders had access to it. Maj. General Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof is one of very few Germans who have examined the Anglo-Jewish record from which his own children and all German school children are taught; compared it with other German documents, and exposed the distortions in the Anglo-Jewish version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    You, iffen, stated ( @ #147 ) your special animus toward holocaust deniers or revisionists. What's your problem? What is your goal, iffen -- Accurate Scholarship, or affirmation of what I am forced to judge is a narcissistic point of view?

    My concern -- and I should think every American legislator and policy maker's concern-- is not to attend to Jewish sensitivities at the expense of an authentic understanding of historical events, but to arrive at the most accurate assessment possible of the reality of a situation.

    Have we learned nothing from what we are told was "mistakes" in assessing information about Iraq?

    If information used for the analysis is wrong, the solution to the problem cannot be correct. The condition of the world today demonstrate to us that solutions to world problems are seriously out of whack; we must re-examine every factor and variable in the analysis and figure out where the mistakes were made. The sanctions against a full examination of the historical record re an alleged holocaust are the height of anti-Americanism; it follows that so-called holocaust deniers or revisionists are the penultimate USAian patriots.
  153. @Sam Shama
    So a pithy summary might be: The Allies confiscated the methodical documents of the Nazi Third Reich, locked them away from public scrutiny, followed by indiscriminate falsification by Jews [and Anglos] to erect an entirely spurious account of the Holocaust for posterity and the eternal benefit of world Jewry.

    [full disclosure: I haven't read Shirer's Rise and Fall even as it resides in my father's library, prominently neighbouring Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples and The Second World War, both of which I have read ]

    Lose the loaded language and over-generalizations; add some essential details, and yeah, the first paragraph is about right.

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  154. @Sam Shama
    Allright, so do explain to this imbecile, where you spot a lack of growth in the U.S.

    Here is real [meaning inflation adjusted] disposable personal Income

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A229RX0

    Rurik, you are grasping at straws with a great deal of hand-waving to grasp said straws.

    [because the leaches latched firmly to the skin of the working man in this country, are greedily slurping out the shekels from his efforts- and are always growing, (like the ticks that they are), they always need more and more. Because the fake debt that we’re all paying interest on always keeps growing too. So that’s why we always have to import more immigrants, to keep the economy growing and the demand for housing and all the other scams they’re running.]

    Far too many metaphors. You are speaking of Jews=banksters= Fed=Debt=ticks right? Well come out and say it without resorting to subterfuge. Again if you actually had any information regarding personal tax rates in the U.S. you would have known that this country has the lowest rate amongst developed countries:

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate

    So again wtf are you talking about? If you hate Jews so much, just come out and say it clearly. At the risk of subject drift, I say to you, the Jews you hate are not going anywhere and for whatever reason we are reasonably successful in the country and in many other nations. Do we network? Yes. Why don't you? Do we control the media ? Not exclusively, and even if we do, what of it? Compete with us man! Do we control finance? We are influential sure, but did we stop you from competing? Do you understand the meaning of competition mate? [btw Trump likes kosher style as well, didn't you notice?]

    Immigrants. Yes they are receiving a great many from Mexico, but that has very little to do with our unemployed Whites. You are an unapologetic 88 I realise, but I should expect you to say that you hate the mexxers just on account of their .....whatever, and not conflate it with any imagined economic condition of Whites, which if anything is squarely explained by our China policy:

    http://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/decline-us-manufacturing-jobs-tied-shift-china-trade-policy


    When you say "If you’d have bothered to read what I wrote, you’d know why I’m saying that." you are depositing the steaming stuff; nothing to be so chuffed about, with the smileys etc., mate. If your point is that we aren't conducting monetary policy of the Weimar such that we won't see hyperinflation, then you basically just propped up a straw man when you even mentioned the Weimar. If there was a deeper point, please indulge me and explain. And spare me Matt Taibbi's dated articles. I read this one back in 2011, buh-leeeve me. We are talking about growth in the U.S. which is manifestly here [even as I write this, the payroll numbers came in at 255k, that is 255k new jobs produced in the last month].

    What the fuck are you talking about ?

    What the fuck are you talking about ?

    I’m saying the Federal Reserve Bank is a scam and a swindle and a fraud Sam

    I’m saying that it loots the value of every dollar saved by hard-working people who’ve sweated and struggled to put some cash away only to have their savings turned into a pile of manure by the criminals running the Fed. That’s what I’m saying Sam. The charter of the Fed says it’s purpose for existence is to maintain the value of the dollar, and then like that doctor who poisoned his patience for profit, the banksters at the Fed do exactly the opposite of what they’re trusted to do, by inflating the currency and handing out billions to their buddies. That’s what I’m saying Sam.

    this fraudulent swindle has been responsible for the rise of the .0001% to stratospheric wealth while the rest of the people languish or worse. Now you can gloat all you want to about how these Jews have been able to trick the stupid goyim and loot them use them as cannon fodder for wars for Israel, if that amuses you. But it seems a little crass to me Sam.

    What we should be doing is looking at these institutions that are being used by the .0001% and central banksters to loot and destroy so many people’s lives Sam. Not gloating about how well you Jews network and such. That’s all very fine and well. I have no problem personally with anyone networking or seeking prosperity, unless it’s done by less than honorable means, and more to the point, is causing the world to be driven to the brink by the uber-corruption of Wall Street and the governments of the West, that are busy slaughtering and destroying the lives of millions of people all over the globe for the greater glory of that shitty little Nazi state. Wouldn’t you agree Sam?

    Don’t you think it would be beneficial if the people of the world could rein in these out of control .001%s who’re causing so much suffering and misery as they stuff their pockets with so much ill-gotten lucre?

    Surely you agree with that Sam!

    and that, btw, is what the fuck I’m talking about ;)

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    [I’m saying that it loots the value of every dollar saved by hard-working people who’ve sweated and struggled to put some cash away only to have their savings turned into a pile of manure by the criminals running the Fed. That’s what I’m saying Sam. The charter of the Fed says it’s purpose for existence is to maintain the value of the dollar, and then like that doctor who poisoned his patience for profit, the banksters at the Fed do exactly the opposite of what they’re trusted to do, by inflating the currency and handing out billions to their buddies. That’s what I’m saying Sam.]\

    The penny dropped for me as to why I missed your imperviousness to data and reason: you have a gift for grandstanding that Jesse Jackson would envy. You are missing your true calling Rurik; skip the merely local elections and head straight for one of the 24 U.S. congressional seats to be vacated by retiring GoP congressmen.

    [The charter of the Fed says it’s purpose for existence is to maintain the value of the dollar,]

    Wrong. The Fed has the dual mandate of price stability and non-inflationary unemployment level maintenance. I have pointed this out to you ad nauseam, the trope "92% of value lost in the dollar since ..." is the equivalent of medieval incantations to raise the spirits. What can median real earnings purchase today as compared to any arbitrary date in the modern era past is the logical question.

    In the end I suspect you are looking to time-travel to Rome of the emperor Diocletian, circa 285; a fine enough ambition, and seeing as relentless repetition is you forte, I would pick you as a professional scribe, earning 31,00 Sestertii per year [equivalent of about $50,000 current dollars]. Mind you, your consumables would be limited to:

    [2 bedroom dwelling without a bath, wheat, olive oil, grapes, beans, sesame, flax, millet, oats, peas, barley, occasional beef, salt, sandals and vin ordinaire]

    No iPhone, cars, internet and certainly no time to post on the UR.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    There's a lot of assertion and rhetoric but I don't see any reasoned case.
  155. @SolontoCroesus
    What little I know about Himmler is that he was a puny, evil man who ran his own show outside the awareness of Hitler, and that he murdered a lot of Jewish people. Don't know anything about his diary -- who is publishing?

    I don't understand what you are saying about Edwin Black, essay vs book. Black has developed a kind of franchise operation, a network of researchers who contribute to his numerous books on aspects of holocaustism.

    What about the Trilogy by Evans?
     
    I read a few Amazon reviews of the Trilogy; also read reviews of Evans's "Lying About Hitler," -- his book about his work on Deborah Lipstadt's defense team, which hired Evans to testify against David Irving:

    (From the Amazon review):

    As an expert witness for the defense in last year's Irving-Lipstadt trial, Evans (history, Cambridge Univ.) was charged with determining whether David Irving was, as Deborah Lipstadt asserted, a Holocaust denier. Evans spent two years researching Irving's work, tracing his sources, and then evaluating his publications and public speeches. Moving easily from analysis of Irving's abuse of primary documents to a discussion of what constitutes legitimate historical methodology, Evans presents compelling proof that Irving is a Holocaust denier and why he should not be considered a legitimate member of the historical profession.

    Evans's depiction of the trial and of Irving's behavior in court is followed by an assessment of the implications of the judgment in Lipstadt's favor.

    Evans's point that some commentators seemed to forget that it was Irving who was attempting to silence Lipstadt, rather than academic historians and "Jewish interest groups" attempting to stifle free speech, is well worth remembering. Evans eloquently argues that what was really on trial was history itself. Fortunately, history won.

    Ironically, Evans's carefully documented book has not yet been published in the U.K., as Irving's threats to bring a libel suit have already caused one company to drop publication.
     
    An even grander irony is in Lipstadt's subsequent behavior, when C Span prepared to host Lipstadt to discuss her book about the trial. C Span producer Connie Doebele invited Irving to appear to tell his side of the story. Lipstadt pulled the pillars down: she called upon an army of "Jewish interest groups" to besiege Doebele/C Span; she arranged for editorials in major newspapers decrying C Span's plan. Lipstadt ultimately cancelled the appearance; Doebele was made to appear at the knee of C Span manager Richard Weinstein and make her mea culpas for the sin seeking to tell both sides of the story.

    The most obvious take-away is that hewing to the Jewish line on holocaust can make one a wealthy person -- Evans was paid handsomely by Lipstadt's team. OTOH offering information contrary to the Jewish doxology can ruin a person, even land them in jail -- Irving has been fined, imprisoned, had his records taken by the British government, been the victim of arson and other attacks on his person and property, for the crime of presenting evidence about history with which Jewish people do not agree. Recall that it was Irving who was among the first to bring the enormous tragedy of the firebombing of Dresden to the attention of the American public.

    Evans declared that Irving, untrained as an historian, does not belong among historians, but Max Hastings is not trained as an historian yet the British monarchy made him a knight and honors him as Britain's preeminent historian. Hastings strokes British and Jewish feathers the right way and is rewarded for so doing.

    I suppose what I'm tending toward is extreme skepticism wrt to the objectivity of any history of WWII and Germany that Evans may produce.

    btw, the late R H S Stolfi, who taught at Naval War College I believe, wrote an acclaimed book on Panzer warfare. In his later years Stolfi wrote "Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny," a critique of the the one-dimensional depictions of Hitler produced by Kershaw, Bullock and the like.

    The first bio of Hitler that I recall reading, many years ago, was titled "Psychopathic God." This Stanza from W H Auden's September 1939 formed the epigraph:

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

    By its very nature the concept of holocaust denial undermines the possibility of Accurate Scholarship. It's bunkum; no American should allow himself to be painted into that anti-intellectual corner.

    PS the more I learn the more it seems that such characters as Sam Untermyer and Vladimir Jabotinsky, Rabbi Wise and Henry Morgenthau, Jr.; the Netanyahus, father and son, fit the description of "psychopathic gods" evolved from "huge imago s."

    What little I know about Himmler is that he was a puny, evil man who ran his own show outside the awareness of Hitler, and that he murdered a lot of Jewish people.

    The implication of this sentence just dawned upon me. Are you agreeing that there was a Holocaust, but that Hitler didn’t know about it?

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    a Holocaust,
     
    Which holocaust are you talking about?

    One of the holocausts Stephen Wise wrote about beginning in about 1900?

    (Wise, you may recall, is the same rabbi who promulgated the report that "Nazis are making soap and lampshades from Jewish flesh." Rabbi Wise is also the individual who promulgated the so-called Riegner telegram. )
  156. @iffen
    OBVIOUSLY Germany’s propaganda ministry would work to explain it and to turn the OBVIOUS bombing in a way that would inspirit the German people:

    Obviously the propaganda was directed toward world opinion. You did notice the Associated Press in bold, didn’t you?

    Even today many–but not all or even most– Americans are aware

    If one of my hurdles is going to be defending the historical ignorance of most Americans, I forfeit it all to you.

    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five in 1969.

    I read Slaughterhouse Five, likely in 1970, but did not remember the shout-out to Irving. The essence I retained, so I have been aware of the fire-bombing of Dresden all these years; the fire-bombing of Tokyo too.

    First, as noted above, the authors of the listed books acknowledge that they made use of the German archives, that were then under the control of Robert Wolfe, for significant material in their respective books.

    This is just one source. There are literally thousands of source materials.

    My impression is that your revisionist history is a rabbit hole inside a rabbit hole.

    Anyway, I want to thank you for all the names and information.

    I am going to leave you off the CTI list for now. Helena keeps badgering me to “listen” to all the evidence.

    This is just one source. There are literally thousands of source materials.

    True.
    Much of it is bogus, i.e. the Jewish woman who crapped diamonds; or the Jewish woman who was in the doorway of the gas chamber but Mengele pulled her aside, or the Jewish woman who, as a child, was in a German hospital where Mengele said she would die but those bastard German doctors and nurses nursed her back to life so that she was alive and kicking at 80+ and able to testify against a 90-year old German man who handled baggage at a train station in Poland or some damn thing.

    You alluded above to Sophie’s choice and apparently think it’s history. Have you ever thought about the choices French women had to make about which of their children to save when the Allies bombed France, killing 70,000 French civilians? How many books have been written and movies produced about German women who saw their babies reduced to smudges on a wall by Allied firebombing? Erich Mendelsohn was instrumental in planning that incineration. Today there are numerous synagogues and other Jewish-related buildings built by Erich Mendelsohn where Jewish people acclaim him. Jules Streicher was killed for writing nasty things about Jews; Mendelsohn, instrumental in the deliberate incineration of German babies, is venerated by Jews in the synagogues he designed.

    There are very few books from- and by- the German point of view; Americans and British were able to cull and censor a massive amount of that information before German historians or leaders had access to it. Maj. General Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof is one of very few Germans who have examined the Anglo-Jewish record from which his own children and all German school children are taught; compared it with other German documents, and exposed the distortions in the Anglo-Jewish version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    You, iffen, stated ( @ #147 ) your special animus toward holocaust deniers or revisionists. What’s your problem? What is your goal, iffen — Accurate Scholarship, or affirmation of what I am forced to judge is a narcissistic point of view?

    My concern — and I should think every American legislator and policy maker’s concern– is not to attend to Jewish sensitivities at the expense of an authentic understanding of historical events, but to arrive at the most accurate assessment possible of the reality of a situation.

    Have we learned nothing from what we are told was “mistakes” in assessing information about Iraq?

    If information used for the analysis is wrong, the solution to the problem cannot be correct. The condition of the world today demonstrate to us that solutions to world problems are seriously out of whack; we must re-examine every factor and variable in the analysis and figure out where the mistakes were made. The sanctions against a full examination of the historical record re an alleged holocaust are the height of anti-Americanism; it follows that so-called holocaust deniers or revisionists are the penultimate USAian patriots.

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    What is your goal, iffen — Accurate Scholarship, or affirmation of what I am forced to judge is a narcissistic point of view?

    My goal is the pursuit of accurate scholarship to facilitate the successful pursuit of political goals. In this instance, it would be to separate support for rational and nationalist liberal democracy from racism and WWII revisionist ideas. Any competent reading of the current presidential race will instruct one in the manner in which the MSM uses propaganda and innuendo to damage Trump by trying to connect him to all manner of racism and fascism. Ergo if there was a clean separation from and denunciation of racism and anti-Semitism, the American people might be able to take advantage of this last chance.
    , @L.K
    Hey Solonto,

    you wrote: "You, iffen, stated ( @ #147 ) your special animus toward holocaust deniers or revisionists. What’s your problem? What is your goal, iffen..."


    Well, iffen's goal is propaganda, of course, this vermin is one of the main zio/jew supremacist shills on this site. He/she does not give a damn about exactitute, historical truth, none of that.
    "history" is just a tool, as in a bludgeon, to be used by these maggots to promote their agendas.

    There were 1,092,000 holohoax survivors still alive in 2003, according to Israeli demographer Dr. Sergio DellaPergola.
    This means there were millions of 'survivors' at the end of the war. These survivors are all evidence that the "Holocaust" really is a monstrous Jewish/Allied hoax & a blood libel against the German people.

    Obviously, had the National Socialists really desired to exterminate the European Jews, they had at their disposal ample means to reach such an objective, and there would have been hardly any Jews left alive in Europe at the war's end.
    Yet, as we know, this is NOT what happened.

    Take care
  157. @5371
    [We are talking about growth in the U.S. which is manifestly here]

    I beg to differ, Sam; precious little of a solid kind:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=6jGO

    Hi 5371, I don’t dispute IP and man. orders have been tepid at best, and those are precisely the important factors of growth I worry about.

    I am going to succumb to the temptation of inserting a few more graphs on the other indicators [ leading, coincident and lagging: housing starts, retail sales, %change in inventories, OECD produced U.S gdp growth rate, real wages, leaving out the stock market which is of course legitimately vulnerable to the charge of leveraged buybacks propelling growth]

    H Starts

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HOUST#0

    Retail:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RSXFS#0

    % change Inventories:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMTMTI#0

    OECD US gdp growth rate:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LORSGPORUSQ661S#0

    Real Wages:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

    All of these indicate varying levels of forward, current and immediately preceding growth. So Industrial Production and durable goods orders are weak and there isn’t a way to dance around those indicators. It is my hope that high-value-added middle stage and early stage manufacturing re-emerge in the U.S. at appreciable levels, an outcome dependent on the tricky business of essentially wresting these away from our trade “partners” without triggering a trade war. I am unreservedly in favour of maintaining a solid manufacturing base, even if it leads to comparative disadvantage, a sound trade-off in the interests of long-term demographic equity and stability. As you might reckon, this is exactly what I hope for, under a Trump administration.

    [P.S.: my somewhat agitated post to Rurik was largely provoked by the Weimar straw-man and the bewildering metaphors which prompted me to dispense with these more nuanced points]

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    The percentage changes did not show as intended, but using the edit function allows various rates etc. to be viewed
  158. @iffen
    What little I know about Himmler is that he was a puny, evil man who ran his own show outside the awareness of Hitler, and that he murdered a lot of Jewish people.

    The implication of this sentence just dawned upon me. Are you agreeing that there was a Holocaust, but that Hitler didn't know about it?

    a Holocaust,

    Which holocaust are you talking about?

    One of the holocausts Stephen Wise wrote about beginning in about 1900?

    (Wise, you may recall, is the same rabbi who promulgated the report that “Nazis are making soap and lampshades from Jewish flesh.” Rabbi Wise is also the individual who promulgated the so-called Riegner telegram. )

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    Which holocaust are you talking about?

    Note the capital H.
  159. @iffen
    Is revisionist the PC term for Holocaust denier? If so, I think that I will start using it. Is the term widely accepted in your community? I am working on reducing my ad hominem remarks and calling people by their preferred label will be part of it.

    Better make that Revisionist – you wouldn’t want to get confused with devotees of David Samuel “Sam” Peckinpah*, now would you?

    *The Peckinpahs originated from the Frisian Islands in the northwest of Europe. Both sides of Peckinpah’s family migrated to the American West by covered wagon in the mid-19th century.

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    One at a time, Helena. I still haven't been able to sort out whether I should use lobby or Lobby.
  160. @SolontoCroesus

    This is just one source. There are literally thousands of source materials.
     
    True.
    Much of it is bogus, i.e. the Jewish woman who crapped diamonds; or the Jewish woman who was in the doorway of the gas chamber but Mengele pulled her aside, or the Jewish woman who, as a child, was in a German hospital where Mengele said she would die but those bastard German doctors and nurses nursed her back to life so that she was alive and kicking at 80+ and able to testify against a 90-year old German man who handled baggage at a train station in Poland or some damn thing.

    You alluded above to Sophie's choice and apparently think it's history. Have you ever thought about the choices French women had to make about which of their children to save when the Allies bombed France, killing 70,000 French civilians? How many books have been written and movies produced about German women who saw their babies reduced to smudges on a wall by Allied firebombing? Erich Mendelsohn was instrumental in planning that incineration. Today there are numerous synagogues and other Jewish-related buildings built by Erich Mendelsohn where Jewish people acclaim him. Jules Streicher was killed for writing nasty things about Jews; Mendelsohn, instrumental in the deliberate incineration of German babies, is venerated by Jews in the synagogues he designed.

    There are very few books from- and by- the German point of view; Americans and British were able to cull and censor a massive amount of that information before German historians or leaders had access to it. Maj. General Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof is one of very few Germans who have examined the Anglo-Jewish record from which his own children and all German school children are taught; compared it with other German documents, and exposed the distortions in the Anglo-Jewish version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    You, iffen, stated ( @ #147 ) your special animus toward holocaust deniers or revisionists. What's your problem? What is your goal, iffen -- Accurate Scholarship, or affirmation of what I am forced to judge is a narcissistic point of view?

    My concern -- and I should think every American legislator and policy maker's concern-- is not to attend to Jewish sensitivities at the expense of an authentic understanding of historical events, but to arrive at the most accurate assessment possible of the reality of a situation.

    Have we learned nothing from what we are told was "mistakes" in assessing information about Iraq?

    If information used for the analysis is wrong, the solution to the problem cannot be correct. The condition of the world today demonstrate to us that solutions to world problems are seriously out of whack; we must re-examine every factor and variable in the analysis and figure out where the mistakes were made. The sanctions against a full examination of the historical record re an alleged holocaust are the height of anti-Americanism; it follows that so-called holocaust deniers or revisionists are the penultimate USAian patriots.

    What is your goal, iffen — Accurate Scholarship, or affirmation of what I am forced to judge is a narcissistic point of view?

    My goal is the pursuit of accurate scholarship to facilitate the successful pursuit of political goals. In this instance, it would be to separate support for rational and nationalist liberal democracy from racism and WWII revisionist ideas. Any competent reading of the current presidential race will instruct one in the manner in which the MSM uses propaganda and innuendo to damage Trump by trying to connect him to all manner of racism and fascism. Ergo if there was a clean separation from and denunciation of racism and anti-Semitism, the American people might be able to take advantage of this last chance.

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    In this rational scenario, would l/Lobbiests for Israel be required to register as foreign agents, like every other foreign agent with whom the USA deals?

    Would the USA continue to pay over to Israel -- with one of the highest GDPs in the region -- tens of billions of dollars that Israel routinely uses to kill Palestinians?

    Would Israel lobbyists continue to distort and propagandize information and communications to the American people in a way that will propel the USA into further harm to Russia and Iran?

    Would Jewish agents continue in their positions of dominance and control over major and taxpayer funded institutions where information crucial to the policy-making is secreted in furtherance of Israeli or Jewish preferences?

    Would the constraints of full-throated and multi-lateral explorations of the foreign policy activities of the US military, i.e. in WWII, remain in place, or would free and robust research, discussion and dissemination of all points of view and bodies of evidence be assessed on their merits, not on their quality of satisfying one minority constituency?

    Would the dominance of Jewish-authored and enforced so-called holocaust education in US public schools cease and desist, as it is a violation of free speech rights and of freedom of religion?