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Iran’s radical Marxist cult Mohajedeen e Khalq, better known by its acronym MEK, is somewhat reminiscent of the Israel Lobby’s American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in that it operates somewhat in the shadows and is nevertheless able to punch well beyond its weight by manipulating politicians and understanding how American government functions on its dark side. MEK promotes itself by openly supporting a very popular hardline policy of “democratic opposition” advocating “regime change” for Iran while also successfully selling its reform credentials, i.e. that it is no longer a terrorist group. This latter effort apparently convinced then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on 2013 as she and President Barack responded to the group’s affability campaign by delisting MEK from the government list of terrorist organizations.

This shift in attitude towards MEK was a result of several factors. First, everyone in Washington and the Establishment hates Iran. And second, the Executive Order 13224, which designates Iran’s Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organization, ipso facto defines any group fighting against it as one of the good guys, justifying the change

MEK is best described as a cult rather than as a political movement because of its internal discipline. Its members are, according to the testimony of those who have somehow escaped, subjected to considerable indoctrination best described as brainwashing. Though not exactly imprisoned, adherents are kept isolated and separated insofar as possible and cannot contact their families. Their possessions are collectivized so they have no money or other resources. If they are in contravention of the numerous rules that guide the organization they are punished, including physically, and there are reports of members being executed for trying to escape.

The current head of the group is Maryam Rajavi, the wife of the deceased co-founder of MEK, Massoud. She is reported to be politically savvy and speaks excellent English learned in part to enable her to communicate with adoring American politicians. The group itself was founded in 1965. Its name means “People’s Holy Warriors,” derived from its Marxist/populist roots and its religiosity. It was not unlike the Taliban which developed in adjacent Afghanistan. During the 1970’s it rebelled against the Shah and was involved in bombing and shooting American targets. It executed U.S. Army Lt. Col. Lewis Hawkins in 1973 as he was walking home from the U.S. Embassy and in 1975 it killed two American Air Force officers in their chauffer driven car, an incident that was studied and used in CIA training subsequently as an example of how not to get caught and killed by terrorists. Between 1976 and 1978 the group bombed American commercial targets and killed three Rockwell defense contractors and one Texaco executive.

MEK welcomed the Iranian revolution and also the occupation of the U.S. Embassy but soon fell afoul of the Ayatollah Khomeini regime. It eventually moved to join Iran’s enemy Saddam Hussein in Iraq and participated on the Iraqi side in the bloodletting that followed when the two countries went to war in 1980-8. For that reason alone, MEK is particularly hated by most Iranians and the repeated assertion that it is some kind of “Iranian democracy” alternative is ridiculous as the people in Iran would never accept it. In terms of the duplicity surrounding its marketing, it is reminiscent of Iraqi con artist Ahmed Chalabi, who also had little following inside Iraq but was able to convince Pentagon geniuses like Paul Wolfowitz that he represented some kind of democratic movement. At the time Chalabi was also secretly working for Iran.

MEK was protected by Saddam and later by the U.S. invaders who found a weapon to use against Iran useful. They were housed in Camp Ashraf near Baghdad, and later, after Ashraf was closed, at so-called Camp Liberty. In 2013, when the Iraqis insisted that they go elsewhere the President Barack Obama facilitated their removal to Albania under the auspices of the United Nations refugee program, with the $20 million dollar bill being footed by Washington. The organization’s political arm, the National Council of Resistance or Iran (NCRI), meanwhile established itself in Paris under the control of Maryam Rajavi, in part to place it closer to the American and European sources of its political legitimacy and financing. In 2001, to make itself more palatable, the group had renounced violence.

The MEK folks in Albania have become a bit of a problem. Through various additional migrations they have multiplied and now number around 3,000 and have largely adhered to their cultish ways even though one of the original objectives of the move into Europe was to somehow deprogram and “deradicalize” them in an environment far removed from Iran-Iraq. Part of the problem is that the Albanian government likes the U.N. subsidies used to support the MEK associates, but it will not let them work as they have no legal status and they cannot resettle or lead normal lives. So they resort to criminal activity that includes promotion of fraudulent charities, drug trafficking and even a form of slavery in which their own people are sold and traded as laborers. The temporary solution has been to move the MEK out of a rundown university property in the capital Tirana to a more remote site in northern Albania dubbed Ashraf-3, but local people believe that that is just kicking the can down the road and that MEK should be forced to go somewhere else, preferably in the United States, which seems to like them so much.

Also, Albania is majority Muslim and has been subjected to the same Saudi Arabian ultra-conservative wahhabi promotion backed by lots of money that has plagued many states in the Middle East. Albanians accustomed to the mild form of Turkish Islam suddenly found themselves confronting the Sunni-Shia divide and also the MEK as agents of both Saudi Arabia and Israel. Many outraged Albanians see the unreformed MEK in their midst as a terror time bomb waiting to go off, but the government, under pressure from the U.S. Embassy has not sought their removal.

Meanwhile back in the United States everything involving the non-deradicalized MEK is just hunky dory. MEK and the NCRI are enemies of Iran and also seem to have plenty of money to spend, so they buy high ranking American speakers to appear at their events. Rudy Giuliani and John Bolton have appeared regularly, as have Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Jeanne Shaheen. At a 2015 appearance in Paris, Giuliani brought the crowd to its feet by calling for “Regime change!” after shouting out that the “Ayatollah must go!” In August 2017, Senators Roy Blunt, John Cornyn, Thom Tillis and Carl Levin met with Rajavi in Paris. Newt Gingrich also considers himself a friend of the Iranian resistance while Elaine Chao, Secretary of Labor and wife of Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell spoke in Paris for five minutes in 2015 and was paid $50,000. The payments made to the other politicians have not been revealed.

And then there is the Saudi and Israeli angle. Saudi Arabia is now the major funder of MEK/NCRI. It’s intelligence chief Turki al-Faisal spoke before the group in 2017. Israel funded the group in its early days and its external spy service Mossad continues to use MEK stay-behinds in Iran to assassinate scientists and tamper with computer systems. The CIA, which recently expanded its anti-Iran task force, it also working closely with MEK. And Giuliani, Bolton, Chao are all in the White House inner circle, which, not coincidentally, is baying for Iranian blood.

Lost in all of the above is any conceivable American interest. It is difficult to even make the claim that Iran threatens the United States or any vital interest and the drive to decapitate the Mullahs, both literally and figuratively, really comes from Riyadh and Tel Aviv. And there is potential collateral damage where it really might matter as MEK cultists continues to sit and fester in a holding pattern maintained by Washington in the heart of Europe. What comes next? War of some kind with Iran is appearing to be increasingly likely given recent remarks by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, threating to crush the Iranians. Is Washington intending to send the MEK warriors on sabotage missions inside Iran, something like the resistance to the Germans in World War 2? Maybe Giuliani and Bolton know the answer to that question.

 
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  1. Taras77 says:

    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge “good behavior,” or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.

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    they are preparing for war. As you said, whatever comes out of the WH is either stupid or a lie.

    Another war that we will lose; Americans don't seem to learn from history - since WWII we have not won a war (grenada ? please; Iraq 1, yes, sure 400,000 troops and full international support).

    Anyhow, more US soldiers will lose their lives or be wounded for shit hole country Israel and for no good reason for the benefit of the USA, zero, nothing, nada de nada.

    Americans have to wake up. We need a revolution against the current establishment run by israel and traitors israel firsters. This can only come from the people.
    , @Art

    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge “good behavior,” or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.
     
    Pompeo is a surly bastard with a grandiose imperial military attitude.

    His attitude is 100% the opposite of our forefathers – Washington and the others counseled against getting involved in foreign intrigues.

    Pompeo acts as if he is the world’s cop. He plans to blow up Iran – just as Netanyahu wants, and the PNAC prescribes.

    He wants to starve the country until it blows up and the people of Iran start killing each other. He wants to send in CIA and Mossad thugs to start the killing process. Then he wants to install a pro-Israel military strong man like Egypt has.

    He threatens every other country in the world, if they do not go along with his plans.

    Pompeo has many equally misguided, foolish, imprudent cohorts in this administration. Gina Haspel, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Mad Dog Mattis, and John Bolton. They are all maliciously arrogant, and willing to shed American blood for the express benefit of Israel. None of them exemplify the spirit of our American founders.

    Congress must stop these bloody bastards.

    Think Peace --- Art
    , @Bill Jones
    "The fact of the matter now"

    As opposed to

    The fact of the matter at any other time?
    , @chris
    This is the clearest sign of an upcoming false-flag operation. Remember that every peaceful comment about Syria was always followed by a false-flag operation.

    If the comment out of DC is reasonable, then it’s a ploy; just likely the Soviets used to do; it stands to reason, it’s the same tribe at work.
    , @Godless
    I'm sure Pompeo's disavowal of any desire for regime change in Iran is only to counter the idiocy of Pence and Bolton saying that the North Korean negotiations would follow the Libyan model. Canceling the Iran nuclear agreement and ratcheting up the warmongering was hardly a great diplomatic maneuver while at the same time trying to assure NK that the US would not attack. If and when a Korean agreement is behind him, Pompeo can return to his longstanding aggressive stance towards Iran.
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  2. renfro says:

    Is Washington intending to send the MEK warriors on sabotage missions inside Iran, something like the resistance to the Germans in World War 2? Maybe Giuliani and Bolton know the answer to that question.

    No, Washington doesn’t have to….Israel has already been using the MEK for bombings and assassinations in Iran and of Iranians elsewhere also for years now. Its been common knowledge in the ME.
    Unless the pentagon gave the MEK some of their missing 21 trillion then its likely Israel is financing them.

    NBC…….
    Israel’s Mossad Trained Assassins of Iran Nuclear Scientists, Report Says
    U.S. officials confirm link between clandestine Israeli operations and People’s Mujahedin of Iran activists, according to NBC News report.

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  3. renfro says:

    Using MEK isn’t the worse of it.

    ‘Israeli Mossad Agents Posed as CIA Spies to Recruit Terrorists to Fight Against Iran’
    Foreign Policy magazine cites CIA memos from 2007-2008 that the Mossad recruited members of Jundallah terror group to fight against Tehran; U.S. was reportedly furious with Israel and moved to limit joint intelligence programs.

    Barak Ravid
    Jan 13, 2012

    [MORE]

    Israeli Mossad agents posed as CIA officers in order to recruit members of a Pakistani terror group to carry out assassinations and attacks against the regime in Iran, Foreign Policy revealed on Friday, quoting U.S. intelligence memos.
    Foreign Policy’s Mark Perry reported that the Mossad operation was carried out in 2007-2008, behind the back of the U.S. government, and infuriated then U.S. President George W. Bush.
    Perry quotes a number of American intelligence officials and claims that the Mossad agents used American dollars and U.S. passports to pose as CIA spies to try to recruit members of Jundallah, a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization that has carried out a series of attacks in Iran and assassinations of government officials.
    According to the report, Israel’s recruitment attempts took place mostly in London, right under the nose of U.S. intelligence officials.
    “It’s amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with,” Foreign Policy quoted an intelligence officer as saying. “Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn’t give a damn what we thought.”
    According to a currently serving U.S. intelligence officer, Perry reports, when Bush was briefed on the information he “went absolutely ballistic.”
    “The report sparked White House concerns that Israel’s program was putting Americans at risk,” the intelligence officer told Perry. “There’s no question that the U.S. has cooperated with Israel in intelligence-gathering operations against the Iranians, but this was different. No matter what anyone thinks, we’re not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians.”
    The intelligence officer said that the Bush administration continued to deal with the affair until the end of his term. He noted that Israel’s operation jeopardized the U.S. administration’s fragile relationship with Pakistan, which was under immense pressure from Iran to crack down on Jundallah.
    According to the intelligence officer, a senior administration official vowed to “take the gloves off” with Israel, but ultimately the U.S. did nothing.
    “In the end it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat,” the intelligence officer said.
    Apparently, the Mossad operation caused a fiery debate among Bush’s national security team and it was only resolved when U.S. President Barack Obama drastically scaled back joint U.S.-Israel intelligence programs targeting Iran, Perry quotes several serving and retired officers as saying.
    The U.S. State Department has vehemently denied any ties to Jundallah and many U.S. intelligence officials remained angry with Israel over the 2007-2008 operation.
    “Israel is supposed to be working with us, not against us,” Foreign Policy quoted an intelligence officer as saying. “If they want to shed blood, it would help a lot if it was their blood and not ours. You know, they’re supposed to be a strategic asset. Well, guess what? There are a lot of people now, important people, who just don’t think that’s true.”
    The CIA, the White House, and the Mossad failed to respond to the Foreign Policy report by the time it went to press

    ForeignPolicy….The Mossad “do false flag ops posing as everything you can imagine,”

    ”Former CIA officers express skepticism that Mossad would have had many reservations about using or implying American cover to conduct operations.
    The Mossad “do false flag ops posing as everything you can imagine,” a former senior CIA officer who has worked extensively on the region told Yahoo News Friday on condition of anonymity, adding that he found the “false flag” report “very” credible. “They have even recruited Arabs in the U.S. posing as [Central Intelligence] Agency and carrying fabricated credentials.”
    Several close European allies of Israel openly accused it in 2010 of breaching international diplomatic conventions and their friendship, by forging their nations’ passports for alleged use by a Mossad assassination team.
    After Hamas operative Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was found dead in his Dubai hotel room on January 23, 2010, furious Dubai authorities painstakingly reconstructed the alleged assassination plot, publicly releasing photos, close circuit television footage and numerous details about the cover identities, passports, credit cards and travel itineraries of the alleged assassination team. Israel’s European allies were furious when confronted with the evidence–published in newspapers around the globe—that their citizens’ identities and passports had been stolen to infiltrate the alleged Israeli assassination team into Dubai.
    The United Kingdom in March 2010 expelled a Mossad official posted to the Israeli embassy in London after a British investigation found evidence that Israel had forged British passports for use in the hit job that killed Hamas operative Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in a Dubai hotel room.
    “”””””””reported on March 23, 2010.” data-reactid=”35″Then British Foreign Secretary David Miliband “laid out the case against Israel in parliament, saying a police investigation found ‘compelling reasons’ to believe Israel was responsible for the copying of British passports, which were used by the killers of a Hamas leader,” the Guardian reported on March 23, 2010.
    Poland in June 2010 arrested another alleged Mossad officer accused by Germany of forging a German passport that was used in the Dubai hit job.

    “I want to categorically deny any United States involvement in any kind of act of violence inside Iran,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told journalists at the State Department Wednesday.
    Iran didn’t seem convinced by the American denials–however unusually adamant and categorical they may have sounded to American observers’ ears.

    “”On Saturday, Iran’s Foreign Ministry handed a letter to the Swiss ambassador in Tehran to deliver to Washington, that reportedly described “evidence” Iran had obtained showing the CIA along with British intelligence had guided the assassination.
    “”””according to a report by Reuters’ Parisa Hafezi.” data-reactid=”44″”We have reliable documents and evidence that this terrorist act was planned, guided and supported by the CIA,” the Iran Foreign Ministry said in the letter, Iran state TV reported, according to a report by Reuters’ Parisa Hafezi.

    January 13, 2012, 9:24 pm
    Anti-US Chants as Slain Iran Nuclear Expert Buried
    TIME – ‎9 hours ago‎
    11, 2012 (TEHRAN, Iran) – Thousands of mourners chanted “Death to Israel” and “Death to America” on Friday during the funeral of a slain nuclear expert whom Iranian officials accuse the two nations of killing in a bomb blast this week as part of a …”

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  4. RobinG says:

    Great article, thank you.

    “Mossad continues to use MEK stay-behinds in Iran to assassinate scientists and tamper with computer systems.” Indeed. So much for MEK renouncing violence.

    “MEK cultists continues to sit and fester….. in the heart of Europe.” Here in US as well. They were leafleting at events in DC in 2013, the moment they were off the terror list.

    Meanwhile, this should excite the 911-or-bust crowd. Quite the list of signatories.
    9/11 truth leaders’ letter to Iran
    Dear Iran: Please appeal—then annihilate the Official Conspiracy Theory in court!

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/05/24/iran-letter/

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  5. El Dato says:

    In 2013, when the Iraqis insisted that they go elsewhere the President Barack Obama facilitated their removal to Albania under the auspices of the United Nations refugee program, with the $20 million dollar bill being footed by Washington.

    Satan is riding these people. I’m sure that when they peacefully pass away, there is the black oil, flowing out of the eye sockets.

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  6. “Is Washington intending to send the MEK warriors on sabotage missions inside Iran?” The answer is an emphatic yes. See attached video of a US Army PsyOp training film. If they did it back then, they are doing it now. “Hostland,” represents every country the U.S. has corrupted.

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  7. m___ says:

    Nothing new here, as in tactics of using small but coherent groups, that are centrally controlled, into spying, local operations. Remember, we live times of military capitalism, ultimately money means nothing, to a capitalist entity, if it cannot be harnessed into power. Power is the final stage.

    Separation of powers, overt philosophy backed behaviour, long term strategies, priorities as to the imminence of importance that include the public, moral logic, streamlined operational goals, keep smiling.

    Nice to know what MEK stands for, today, in Paris, as to US Congress. Expiration date of that information: tomorrow.

    The old French call it “fait divers”.

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  8. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    First, everyone in Washington and the Establishment hates Iran.

    Hmm, wonder who is responsible for making that happen? I’ll have to ‘cough, cough’ think about that.

    The same ones who keep tricking the USA into fighting their wars for expansion and ME domination and those who protest are branded as neo-Nazi, anti-Semites who foolishly put their nation’s wants and needs ahead of a regional bully are the ones who made the DC mob hate Iran.

    I’m sorry to say that one of my slippery senators, Roy Blunt, is in this photo. Blunt is a tried and true friend of Israel and a good buddy of that money spigot, Sheldon Adelson, who buys politicians as a hobby.
    Trying to get a straight answer out of Blunt is impossible, as the man has been lurking in the DC Swamp long enough to know the murkiest parts to hide in.

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  9. See a muslim wife with a hair-covering and you know something is wrong, just look at Erdogan’s wife. They all want us to submit to Sharia law.

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  10. War of some kind with Iran is appearing to be increasingly likely given recent remarks by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, threating to crush the Iranians.

    War against Iran has been waged by cultish goons in DC and TA for decades; it’s not something that is increasingly likely.

    This article is otherwise excellent and its emphasis on the cultish nature of groups with aspirations of power and it’s my hope that more folks will understand that concept vis a vis what runs this utterly bankrupt third world strip mall republic.

    IOW, as most UR readers understand, the MEK are only one of the cults we peasants have to be concerned with.

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  11. Probably Iran has to be painted as another dramatic enemy because the ruling cultists need distractions from issues like this.:

    Vast Poverty Ignored In Northern California

    http://www.unz.com/video/theyoungturks_vast-poverty-ignored-in-northern-california/

    And this.:

    Why Is Sewage Overflowing in Baltimore?

    http://www.unz.com/video/therealnews_why-is-sewage-overflowing-in-baltimore/

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  12. I’d note the main body (rank & file) of MeK weren’t evacuated from Iraq before 2016. Meanwhile ‘the dirty double game’ USA has played with MeK has quite a history:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/28/the-mojahedin-e-khalq/

    ^ Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…

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    Ronald Thomas West wrote: "Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…"

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Referenced above, the "October Surprise," I assume you refer to Ronald Reagan's running mate, George H.W. Bush's (clandestine) meeting with Iranian officials prior to the election where President Jimmy Carter was narrowly defeated by voila, DECEPTION. Eh?

    Oh man... that shit has to be the Mother of All examples of ZUS presidential election "rigging" since the satanic Dealey Plaza coup, Elm Street, Dallas.

    (Zigh). A tad exasperated, I have yet to learn how & why the CIA / Mossad ever allowed information on the treasonous H.W. Bush meeting in Paris go (to some extent) PUBLIC. (Zigh)Unless of course they wanted it that way -- unaccountably rub shit in dumb goyim-voter faces.

    Unless it's mentioned in his memoir, I do not know anything about Jimmy Carter having issued a complaint / expose of the crime! He must be dedicated to Christian "forgiveness because at all special presidential gatherings, Jimmy Carter & G.H.W. Bush mugs appear smiling together in MSM pictures.

    So I have a question for you, Mr. West.

    At the time, did the GOP, Jewish Lobbies, and major billionaire donors simply not give a damn about rigging a mere ZUSA election?

    Subsequently, who leaked the Paris meeting's information & to whom?

    Will appreciate your (anyone!) making reply, comment response. Thanks. R.T.W.!!!

    In the meantime, I like videos and below, M.E.K. is (to some degree) out in-the-Light, discussed on the Corbett Show.

    https://youtu.be/kxwYaKkDH6o

    P.S.:
    A Tower of Babel sky-reaching "thanks" to Phil Giraldi!
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  13. I have always argued that parts of the MEK or all of the MEK was motivated by the remnants of the Shah’s family and/or network. This information contradicts that dynamic.

    I am missing the internal mechanics here. If the MEK aided in the ouster of the Shah, there needs to be some explication as to how they ended on the outside of the current power dynamic so much as to be advocating for the revolution or regime change they are.

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    MEK is communist which means anti capitalist. Anti religion and pro women’s rights

    All the useful idiot communists and liberals who helped overthrow the Shah were destroyed or fled to other countries to save their lives shortly after the Shah left

    The revolution was anti women’s rights severely religious conformity and pro dog eat dog capitalism. A big incentive for business owners to join the revolution was that the Shahs-government collected taxes or planned to

    Horrors!!!!

    What did the useful idiot liberals expect?

    Useful idiot intellectuals & liberals are the same the world over.
    , @Hessler
    I was thinking just the same thing. What I've understood with my little knowledge about the Iranians is that the majority of them are neolibrals who don't want religion to govern their lives. Their values are western oriented. If any regime installs Capitalism/Sexism, you wouldn't see the resistance you would expect to see from a conservative muslim society. West knows this and this is why they believe that the regime change in the favor of western values will be successful in Iran. The Iranian version of Islamic ideology (Shiite) was hijacked from the days of Ummayd. Shiite's, unlike their sunni counterparts don't need to act in a rightous way as determined by the koran. They like the Christians, believe that they have a direct pass to paradise regardless of their deeds, so there's no obligation to the religion or it's constitution which current regime upholds. I've always assumed that these MEK's are just the more extreme version of that Iranian fraction.
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  14. RVBlake says:

    Great article! This stuff is important to know, but it is dispiriting to learn what soulless, groveling sh-t magnets so many of our public figures are.

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  15. The MEK sounds like it is a MOSSAD front.

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  16. Jake says:

    The MEK is as evil as the Saudi royal family and as mercilessly amoral as the Mossad. Neocons and the Globalist businessmen who back the Neocons either love the weird Marxist cult that is the MEK or else feel confident they can use it to the advantage of the US and Israel.

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  17. denk says:

    In 2013, when the Iraqis insisted that they go elsewhere the President Barack Obama facilitated their removal to Albania under the auspices of the United Nations refugee program, with the $20 million dollar bill being footed by Washington.

    In 2009 , 17 Uighurs were released from Gitmo.
    The Chinese wanted them back in China to face charges of ‘terrorism’.
    Washington said ‘no way, these people might not get a fair trial in China , they might be tortured’ [cough cough]

    Trouble is, CONgress didnt want these hombres to stay in the US, inspite of their ‘freedom fighters’ credentials [as per Washington]. None of the countries approached by Washington wanted them either.

    In the end uncle sham had to dump them on tiny Palau isle in the Pacific, the deal was greased by a $200M sweetener …a cool $20M per head of UIghurs. !

    Aint the murkkans swell eh ?

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    In 2013, when the Iraqis insisted that they go elsewhere the President Barack Obama facilitated their removal to Albania under the auspices of the United Nations refugee program, with the $20 million dollar bill being footed by Washington.
     
    Albania ?
    wasnt it the training ground and launching pad for the KLA, fukus jihadist mercs to attack ex Yugo and Macedonia ?

    Perhaps its just coincidence that some Uighurs released from Gitmo ended up in Albania too, the more cynical ones would wonder if they were sent there for some upgrading course before they were spirited back into China to raise hell in Xinjiang ?
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  18. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Although there’s no possibility of them having any mass popularity within Iran and thus being pretenders to the throne they’re useful as spies and terrorists. Being Iranian they can move around within the country where an outsider couldn’t without being noted. Whatever claims to legitimacy they may have had from the time of the overthrow of the Shah has been long gone due to their collaboration with countries hostile to Iran, first Iraq’s Hussein and now the US. They’ve simply been a tool of Iran’s enemies for many years now. At the lower level their covert actions are risky for those carrying them out and they are expendable cannon fodder, basically just dupes. The leadership offers their services to whoever will pay them, currently the US. American politicians are for sale so the list of names showing up to publicly support them and then cash their checks looks to be the usual bunch of tough-talkers. Since MEK are seen by most Iranians as traitors it also shows how weak the American hand really is and how straws are being grasped at. Economic sanctions, political pressure, constant military threats, subversion and terrorism have all been used but the Iranian government hasn’t budges. MEK can’t really do anything but it demonstrates the cynical nature of all the involved parties.

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  19. anoni says:

    THE MEK HAS NO SUPPORT in Iran. This terrorist organization like Al Qaeda, traitor KURDS, ISIS, to mention few, are supported by the main terrorist countries, US-Israel-MI6, and their petty colonies, the western intelligence services funded by terrorists Arab head of states in the region like Saudi Arabia, microscopic entity like Emirate.

    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/?p=8703

    Maryam Rajavi who run the terrorist organization MEK now, was married to another pimp by the name of Abrishamchi, where she secretly forced herself into Masoud Rajavi’s bedroom to become his mistress and soon after his wife where Masoud ordered Her husband to divorce her so they get married to make DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTION IN IRAN, a laughing stock indeed, for many years following this sexual affair between traitors. Their ‘democratic union’ did not last long, however, and soon Maryam became his pimp to force other women in the camp, in Iraq, to be prepared to SLEEP WITH MASOUD, the ‘rahbar’ to keep him active. This sexual criminality was exposed two years ago when few women from the camp were able to escape. US officials were aware of this criminalilty but they were so desperate to keep it hidden. Are the Jewish mafia and their dumb servants have ever told YOU? Of course no, because many of them are rapists themselves including the traitors at the black house.

    https://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2018/05/trump-controlled-by-mossad-part-iv.html

    So, that’s why you see this traitor, Maryam, goes from one impotent man to the another begging for supports. Only terrorists and impotent ‘men’ have given support to receive his/her $$$$$$$ funded by the Saudis.

    Criminals at work in Camp Liberty
    Massoud and Maryam Rajavi accused of sexual cruelty

    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/?p=91

    Now, there was an attempted assassination on MBS’ life more than a MONTH ago where he was wounded and had to stay in bed since. That was the reason BEHIND HIS DISAPPEARNCE OVER A MONTH, WHERE PUMPEO HAD TO TRAVEL UNEXPECTEDLY TO SAUDI ARABIA MAKE SURE HE IS ALIVE OR DEAD.

    The MEK HAS NO SUPPORT among Iranians. The MEK sympathizers are very small in Iran and abroad, and are CONSIDERED TRAITORS by majority of Iranian people, thus, whoever is supporting these traitors and terrorists, politically or economically, are look at as enemies of the Iranian people.

    Trump, is so illiterate and ignorant that aligning himself with Jewish Mafia and then reads their messages written by a members of Jewish mafia, like Miller, to Iranians expecting Iranian people follow his stupid messages.

    Iranians are laughing SO HARD at him, who on the one hand attacking Iranian government and telling Iranian people that he is their ‘savior’, and on the other hand, he is in bed with the Jewish Mafia , the enemy of Iranian people and the humanity at once. How dumb one can get and still expect result.

    Masoud and Maryam rajavi are sexual assaulter like illiterate trump and HARVEY Weinstein

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    Iranian women are beautiful and fashion-conscious: under burkas or hijab, and at home, they pay close attention to their appearance.

    In contrast Maryam is frumpy-dumpy.
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  20. Mina says:

    you mentioned in your article “Iran’s radical Marxist cult Mohajedeen e Khalq,” but it is called “Mojahedin/ Mojahedeen” “j” comes first then “h” you wrote wrong

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  21. windwaves says:
    @Taras77
    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge "good behavior," or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.

    they are preparing for war. As you said, whatever comes out of the WH is either stupid or a lie.

    Another war that we will lose; Americans don’t seem to learn from history – since WWII we have not won a war (grenada ? please; Iraq 1, yes, sure 400,000 troops and full international support).

    Anyhow, more US soldiers will lose their lives or be wounded for shit hole country Israel and for no good reason for the benefit of the USA, zero, nothing, nada de nada.

    Americans have to wake up. We need a revolution against the current establishment run by israel and traitors israel firsters. This can only come from the people.

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    The US won the Cold War overwhelmingly and it's power projection and threats, implied and explicit, have meant victories in many wars that were not fought. That is the art of war.

    Unless you have been asleep under a rock you would have noticed that the US under Trump has been doing the opposite of preparing for war.
    Trump has given great freedom of action to Israel, Saudi, Egypt, Jordan to sort out the Iranians and to make and break the little liasons with local actors in Syria and MEK in Iran.

    This strategy is working: the might of the US is a back stop, Russia has far more in common with Israeli interests and the Iranians will be driven out of Syria and away from the Meditteranean coast.
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  22. windwaves says:

    and by the way, thank you again very much for your intellectual contributions Mr. Giraldi. I find them of immense value and consistently so, article after article.

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  23. @Ronald Thomas West
    I'd note the main body (rank & file) of MeK weren't evacuated from Iraq before 2016. Meanwhile 'the dirty double game' USA has played with MeK has quite a history:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/28/the-mojahedin-e-khalq/

    ^ Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone...

    Ronald Thomas West wrote: “Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…”

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Referenced above, the “October Surprise,” I assume you refer to Ronald Reagan’s running mate, George H.W. Bush’s (clandestine) meeting with Iranian officials prior to the election where President Jimmy Carter was narrowly defeated by voila, DECEPTION. Eh?

    Oh man… that shit has to be the Mother of All examples of ZUS presidential election “rigging” since the satanic Dealey Plaza coup, Elm Street, Dallas.

    (Zigh). A tad exasperated, I have yet to learn how & why the CIA / Mossad ever allowed information on the treasonous H.W. Bush meeting in Paris go (to some extent) PUBLIC. (Zigh)Unless of course they wanted it that way — unaccountably rub shit in dumb goyim-voter faces.

    Unless it’s mentioned in his memoir, I do not know anything about Jimmy Carter having issued a complaint / expose of the crime! He must be dedicated to Christian “forgiveness because at all special presidential gatherings, Jimmy Carter & G.H.W. Bush mugs appear smiling together in MSM pictures.

    So I have a question for you, Mr. West.

    At the time, did the GOP, Jewish Lobbies, and major billionaire donors simply not give a damn about rigging a mere ZUSA election?

    Subsequently, who leaked the Paris meeting’s information & to whom?

    Will appreciate your (anyone!) making reply, comment response. Thanks. R.T.W.!!!

    In the meantime, I like videos and below, M.E.K. is (to some degree) out in-the-Light, discussed on the Corbett Show.

    P.S.:
    A Tower of Babel sky-reaching “thanks” to Phil Giraldi!

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    Rogue Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben Menashe blew the whistle (eye witness to GHWB present at Paris), another source was the SR-71 Blackbird pilot who flew Bush to Paris somehow got crossed up with his 'seniors' and gave up the fact he'd provided the transport. That 2nd is off the top of my head.

    The recently deceased Robert Parry was covering Iran-Contra and had written about Ben Menashe for Newsweek and Ben Menashe is likely how he was put onto the 'October Surprise' story but I've since come to the conclusion Parry was a limited hangout. In any case when Ben Menashe published his memoir naming GHWB and Robert Gates as October Surprise principals, Newsweek immediately turned on him, he was no longer a credible witness according to mainstream-
    , @Ronald Thomas West
    ps, my take on Ben Menashe's "Profits of War"

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    ^
    , @H. L.
    Poor women, I've never seen a picture showing women who look so sad, so submitted, totally controlled by other people. A sect. So an Iranian revolution involves using totally submitted women in service of men? Strange.
    , @Sparkon
    You may remember previous comments at UR about this meeting, starting with SolontoCroesus's very informative post back in March 2017:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-russian-peace-scare-averted-but-what-about-iran/#comment-1798574

    The long and short of it is that private citizen George H.W. Bush was not alone when he visited Teheran in 1978, but rather was accompanied by two additional private citizens, one each from the United States and Great Britain: Ronald Wilson Reagan, and Margaret Hilda Thatcher, neither of whom held any official governmental position at the time, nor did Bush himself, after being replaced (fired) as DCI in 1977 by President James "Jimmy" Earl Carter Jr. Additionally Carter subsequently fired 700 CIA covert operatives, an operation that may not have gone over well with the "cowboys" at CIA.


    Mansoor produced a confidential document called the "Country Team Minutes" of April 26, 1978, more than a year before the hostage crisis. The meeting was held in Iran. The second paragraph of the routine minutes, states,

    "The Ambassador commented on our distinguished visitors, Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Margaret Thatcher, and commented that Teheran seems to be the site for an opposition parties congress."
     

     
    http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/1earth2.html

    I don't know about the U.K., but in the United States, the Logan Act prohibits private citizens from negotiating with a foreign government, or meddling in foreign affairs.

    Certainly, everyone should know by now that U.S. laws apply only to the common folk, and not to the elite, untouchable oligarchs who rule us, nor to their dimwitted front men. If the kingpins want to fix an election, by George, that's what they're going to do.

    In fact, it's a done deal already several times over.

    , @L.K
    Hey Chuck,

    Good report by Corbett, thanks for sharing!

    Best regards
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  24. chris says:

    … the drive to decapitate the Mullahs, both literally and figuratively, really comes from Riyadh and Tel Aviv.

    as we all know, Israel really runs the entire US policy. The US.gov is the muscle, the Saudis are the pocket book, and the EU is the circus clown running around picking up the elephant droppings.

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  25. Art says:
    @Taras77
    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge "good behavior," or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.

    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge “good behavior,” or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.

    Pompeo is a surly bastard with a grandiose imperial military attitude.

    His attitude is 100% the opposite of our forefathers – Washington and the others counseled against getting involved in foreign intrigues.

    Pompeo acts as if he is the world’s cop. He plans to blow up Iran – just as Netanyahu wants, and the PNAC prescribes.

    He wants to starve the country until it blows up and the people of Iran start killing each other. He wants to send in CIA and Mossad thugs to start the killing process. Then he wants to install a pro-Israel military strong man like Egypt has.

    He threatens every other country in the world, if they do not go along with his plans.

    Pompeo has many equally misguided, foolish, imprudent cohorts in this administration. Gina Haspel, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Mad Dog Mattis, and John Bolton. They are all maliciously arrogant, and willing to shed American blood for the express benefit of Israel. None of them exemplify the spirit of our American founders.

    Congress must stop these bloody bastards.

    Think Peace — Art

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  26. @ChuckOrloski
    Ronald Thomas West wrote: "Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…"

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Referenced above, the "October Surprise," I assume you refer to Ronald Reagan's running mate, George H.W. Bush's (clandestine) meeting with Iranian officials prior to the election where President Jimmy Carter was narrowly defeated by voila, DECEPTION. Eh?

    Oh man... that shit has to be the Mother of All examples of ZUS presidential election "rigging" since the satanic Dealey Plaza coup, Elm Street, Dallas.

    (Zigh). A tad exasperated, I have yet to learn how & why the CIA / Mossad ever allowed information on the treasonous H.W. Bush meeting in Paris go (to some extent) PUBLIC. (Zigh)Unless of course they wanted it that way -- unaccountably rub shit in dumb goyim-voter faces.

    Unless it's mentioned in his memoir, I do not know anything about Jimmy Carter having issued a complaint / expose of the crime! He must be dedicated to Christian "forgiveness because at all special presidential gatherings, Jimmy Carter & G.H.W. Bush mugs appear smiling together in MSM pictures.

    So I have a question for you, Mr. West.

    At the time, did the GOP, Jewish Lobbies, and major billionaire donors simply not give a damn about rigging a mere ZUSA election?

    Subsequently, who leaked the Paris meeting's information & to whom?

    Will appreciate your (anyone!) making reply, comment response. Thanks. R.T.W.!!!

    In the meantime, I like videos and below, M.E.K. is (to some degree) out in-the-Light, discussed on the Corbett Show.

    https://youtu.be/kxwYaKkDH6o

    P.S.:
    A Tower of Babel sky-reaching "thanks" to Phil Giraldi!

    Rogue Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben Menashe blew the whistle (eye witness to GHWB present at Paris), another source was the SR-71 Blackbird pilot who flew Bush to Paris somehow got crossed up with his ‘seniors’ and gave up the fact he’d provided the transport. That 2nd is off the top of my head.

    The recently deceased Robert Parry was covering Iran-Contra and had written about Ben Menashe for Newsweek and Ben Menashe is likely how he was put onto the ‘October Surprise’ story but I’ve since come to the conclusion Parry was a limited hangout. In any case when Ben Menashe published his memoir naming GHWB and Robert Gates as October Surprise principals, Newsweek immediately turned on him, he was no longer a credible witness according to mainstream-

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  27. memaguire says:

    “It was not unlike the Taliban which developed in adjacent Afghanistan.” Actually, it couldn’t be more unlike the Taliban. First, the MEK is of Shiite origin, the Taleban are pure Sunnis. Secondly, the MEK is a blend of secular Marxism and Shiite religion, much to the detriment and distortion of the latter. The Taleban, at least originally, were students (“taleb” is the Arabic word for a student of religious sciences) who studied in Pakistan during the time of the Russian occupation in madrasas, or religious schools, funded by the Saudis. In other words, they are students and advocates of Wahhabi, or puritanical Sunni, Islam. Thirdly, the rules and punishments imposed on the followers of the MEK are not those advocated even by the Shiite brand of law school, or Sharia. The Taleban are imposers of strictly interpreted Wahhabi Sharia. Finally, the Taleban are essentially an Afghan nationalist movement fighting foreign occupation as Afghanestan has been know to do historically, The MEK are betrayers of their country and, as such, must find foreign patrons.

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    Are you saying that Shia and Sunni have different versions of Sharia? As in different laws, as opposed to different interpretations of the laws? Please expound.
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  28. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I have always argued that parts of the MEK or all of the MEK was motivated by the remnants of the Shah's family and/or network. This information contradicts that dynamic.

    I am missing the internal mechanics here. If the MEK aided in the ouster of the Shah, there needs to be some explication as to how they ended on the outside of the current power dynamic so much as to be advocating for the revolution or regime change they are.

    MEK is communist which means anti capitalist. Anti religion and pro women’s rights

    All the useful idiot communists and liberals who helped overthrow the Shah were destroyed or fled to other countries to save their lives shortly after the Shah left

    The revolution was anti women’s rights severely religious conformity and pro dog eat dog capitalism. A big incentive for business owners to join the revolution was that the Shahs-government collected taxes or planned to

    Horrors!!!!

    What did the useful idiot liberals expect?

    Useful idiot intellectuals & liberals are the same the world over.

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    I remain as ever a tad suspicious of Iran and their ambitions -- I don't think for a minute the Islamic revolution is over.


    However, I Iran is not a threat to the US nor Israel for that matter and as she has been keeping her end of the deal --- it appears the one's in default is the US.


    Given the our invasions and by the admissions of Dr. Giraldi and others, I don't think we can be sure who is at play with the MEK. I have no doubt that there are multiple parties interested in ruling iran or whatever state they can get their hands on.

    I have to take no view of n whether they are communists -- I have no supporting data on that.

    http://mek-iran.com/about-us/

    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/peoples_muhajedin_of_iran_mek/

    https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/35-years-ago-an-iranian-revolution-thanks-to-jimmy-carter

    i have to shift my views here. but on the data -- the MEK is likely to lead a strict islamic state, based on their academic history and disagreements with the clerics and the Ayatollah. However, I think that is best done via the political process.


    I do appreciate their vow of celibacy -- that's a huge plus -- but not a basis for an entire polity of governance.


    my applause ladies.

    , @jacques sheete

    ...communist which means anti capitalist...
     
    More precisely it means anti goy-capitalist. There were plenty of Red millionaires and it was rich capitalists (mostly non-goy) who funded the Bolshies and came out on top after the "capitalist" USA fought on behalf of the Commie International.

    It's a very important distinction, and Orwell wrote about it and I believe the Zionist chieftan, Max Nordau did as well.
    , @Hessler
    >The revolution was anti women’s rights

    That depends on the cultural definition/interpretation of what women's rights are. To put it correctly, it was anti-sexism.

    Not allowing people on the rampage of adultery hardly constitutes their rights. Well ofcourse you're merely an animal that's the only thing you live and die for.
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  29. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    This is a fascinating article. I’m wondering if MEK is more than a 1965 communist leaning organization.

    To survive so long and be so powerful under the Restrictive Persian government I wonder if their base is some ancient religious ethnic guild regional mafia type clan.

    Dumbest thing the shah ever did was use the oil money to build high schools and colleges and send students abroad. Just like in America in the 50s 60s 7os, and Russia in the late 19 th century ; the liberal teachers preached revolution, whether communist or religious.

    If MEK is a Mossad front, I doubt they created MEK. Mossad probably found some already existing clan. They did that a lot during the Zionist take over of Palestine; trying to recruit existing groups like Druse, Christians, whatever.

    For instance in America the Old Testament evangelicals existed for 400 years. Israel didn’t have to create them. Israel just took them over.

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  30. Hessler says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I have always argued that parts of the MEK or all of the MEK was motivated by the remnants of the Shah's family and/or network. This information contradicts that dynamic.

    I am missing the internal mechanics here. If the MEK aided in the ouster of the Shah, there needs to be some explication as to how they ended on the outside of the current power dynamic so much as to be advocating for the revolution or regime change they are.

    I was thinking just the same thing. What I’ve understood with my little knowledge about the Iranians is that the majority of them are neolibrals who don’t want religion to govern their lives. Their values are western oriented. If any regime installs Capitalism/Sexism, you wouldn’t see the resistance you would expect to see from a conservative muslim society. West knows this and this is why they believe that the regime change in the favor of western values will be successful in Iran. The Iranian version of Islamic ideology (Shiite) was hijacked from the days of Ummayd. Shiite’s, unlike their sunni counterparts don’t need to act in a rightous way as determined by the koran. They like the Christians, believe that they have a direct pass to paradise regardless of their deeds, so there’s no obligation to the religion or it’s constitution which current regime upholds. I’ve always assumed that these MEK’s are just the more extreme version of that Iranian fraction.

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    I am going tread carefully here. I am not sure it is possible for any Muslim state to operate without the Qu'ran as a major part of governance. However, I do think the intellectual class might be more likely to allow personal differences than the religious right now in power ----

    However, a case for US support regime change and ultimate invasion minus a state revolution -- is a very tough case for me to support. This is a matter for the people of Iran to sort out. I am not inclined to let bygones be bygones on the embassy issue. As for the 1950's coupe, that was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite and I suspect that some of the shah's people and they are interested in the MEK position and Iran's future. Muslims have long memories, it seems. Maybe that's more about the people of this region --


    I am saying, it's none of my business. For the most part. The Iranians I have known are fairly genial and I have had good to better than good relations with them.

    I am more interested in why the leadership of this country is undermining US citizens in favor of foreigners, that boosts the profits of a very small number as it undermines vasts swath of the US population's ability and economic portability. I am concerned why we have not built a wall.


    And I remain thoroughly convinced though some say it is hyperbole that our southern neighbors are engaged in a war of attrition to widdle away at US sovereignty til it is meaningless. That is the war I am interested in.
    , @RobinG
    How can anyone take you seriously when you say something like this ...

    They like the Christians, believe that they have a direct pass to paradise regardless of their deeds...
     
    Is your knowledge of other religions equally lacking?
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  31. @ChuckOrloski
    Ronald Thomas West wrote: "Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…"

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Referenced above, the "October Surprise," I assume you refer to Ronald Reagan's running mate, George H.W. Bush's (clandestine) meeting with Iranian officials prior to the election where President Jimmy Carter was narrowly defeated by voila, DECEPTION. Eh?

    Oh man... that shit has to be the Mother of All examples of ZUS presidential election "rigging" since the satanic Dealey Plaza coup, Elm Street, Dallas.

    (Zigh). A tad exasperated, I have yet to learn how & why the CIA / Mossad ever allowed information on the treasonous H.W. Bush meeting in Paris go (to some extent) PUBLIC. (Zigh)Unless of course they wanted it that way -- unaccountably rub shit in dumb goyim-voter faces.

    Unless it's mentioned in his memoir, I do not know anything about Jimmy Carter having issued a complaint / expose of the crime! He must be dedicated to Christian "forgiveness because at all special presidential gatherings, Jimmy Carter & G.H.W. Bush mugs appear smiling together in MSM pictures.

    So I have a question for you, Mr. West.

    At the time, did the GOP, Jewish Lobbies, and major billionaire donors simply not give a damn about rigging a mere ZUSA election?

    Subsequently, who leaked the Paris meeting's information & to whom?

    Will appreciate your (anyone!) making reply, comment response. Thanks. R.T.W.!!!

    In the meantime, I like videos and below, M.E.K. is (to some degree) out in-the-Light, discussed on the Corbett Show.

    https://youtu.be/kxwYaKkDH6o

    P.S.:
    A Tower of Babel sky-reaching "thanks" to Phil Giraldi!

    ps, my take on Ben Menashe’s “Profits of War”

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    ^

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    Ronald Thomas West offered: "ps, my take on Ben Menashe’s “Profits of War”

    Hi R.T.W.,

    Am free from work now, but must mow lawn.

    Am still digesting Menashe's being described as a "rogue Israeli agent," and the fact that Zio-approved Newsweek covered Mr. Parry's possibly explosive article.

    Weird.

    After grass cut & a too large rose bush trimmed, I should be objectively prepared to read your article, contemplate, & offer a response.

    F.y.i., since Newsweek ran a magazine-cover depicting Slobodon Milosevic as "The Face of Evil," I disdain that rag. Thanks!

    P.S. As you know, staying square with sophisticated methods of Mossad / CIA deception is challenging, as such is meant to be.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Fascinating is your review of Menashe's "Profits of War."

    As incompetent with "copy & paste" action, and while at Allentown's Da Vinci Center, I will kop-out & selfishly cut-to-the-bone, expose my "take."

    1. Since the killing of JFK, I see elite US Zionist Jews as having great influence upon presidential elections.

    2. As the Iranian hostage crisis dragged on, with great MSM & subsequent public pressure upon President Jimmy Carter to do something, he tried with futility what became known as "The Debacle in the Desert."
    (For me, I have some admiration for PreZIdent Carter for his restraint & not launching an awful bombing attack upon Teheran and gain VOTES)

    (Zigh)

    3. I intuit Carter was too genuinely committed to the rather practical Camp David Peace agreement and the long-range Israeli "Greater Israel" plan required America to have the tough conservative (?) talking Ronald Reagan as president.

    4. With the Carter administration history, the Zio-Republicans were in a great position to allow the survival of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and such temporary distortion came with the huge Zionist "bonus" of having a nine (9) year savage war between Iraq and Iran. Of course, ZUS helped each side!

    (Zigh)

    I have an inexplicable sense that Ben Menashe's experienced-recording of what he knew was taboo for general dumb goyim knowledge, but having all of it appear availably in print did not ruffle anyone in Tel Aviv, London, & D.C.

    Regret I dodged the meat in your valuable article, R.T.of the Wild West.!

    P.S. We are fucked to a point where the top of our government can do shit like below, and come out smelling like a Cleome hasslerana.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/05/29/563309/US-goes-to-Security-Council-to-defend-innocent-Israeli-civilians
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  32. @Anon
    MEK is communist which means anti capitalist. Anti religion and pro women’s rights

    All the useful idiot communists and liberals who helped overthrow the Shah were destroyed or fled to other countries to save their lives shortly after the Shah left

    The revolution was anti women’s rights severely religious conformity and pro dog eat dog capitalism. A big incentive for business owners to join the revolution was that the Shahs-government collected taxes or planned to

    Horrors!!!!

    What did the useful idiot liberals expect?

    Useful idiot intellectuals & liberals are the same the world over.

    I remain as ever a tad suspicious of Iran and their ambitions — I don’t think for a minute the Islamic revolution is over.

    However, I Iran is not a threat to the US nor Israel for that matter and as she has been keeping her end of the deal — it appears the one’s in default is the US.

    Given the our invasions and by the admissions of Dr. Giraldi and others, I don’t think we can be sure who is at play with the MEK. I have no doubt that there are multiple parties interested in ruling iran or whatever state they can get their hands on.

    I have to take no view of n whether they are communists — I have no supporting data on that.

    http://mek-iran.com/about-us/

    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/peoples_muhajedin_of_iran_mek/

    https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/35-years-ago-an-iranian-revolution-thanks-to-jimmy-carter

    i have to shift my views here. but on the data — the MEK is likely to lead a strict islamic state, based on their academic history and disagreements with the clerics and the Ayatollah. However, I think that is best done via the political process.

    I do appreciate their vow of celibacy — that’s a huge plus — but not a basis for an entire polity of governance.

    my applause ladies.

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    [I do appreciate their vow of celibacy — that’s a huge plus]


    The MEK neither is Islamic NOR Marxist. Everyone knows these two terms don’t go together.
    MEK is a terrorist organization in the service of imperialism and Zionism to kill people. These traitors were used by Israel to assassinate Iranian scientists.
    MEK has NO SUPPORT among Iranian people, only is used by the Iranian fifth column abroad including Payam Akhavan, a CIA asset and its extension. Akhavan is the founder of ‘Iran document’ in New Heaven funded by the CIA to make FAKE documents against Iranian government. Akhavan left Iran at the age of 8, but in the petition he signs for the empire to bomb Libya or Syria, he pose as ‘Iranian’ not Canadian. He has received the title og ’young world leaderd’ hoax for his services for imperialism/Zionism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payam_Akhavan

    The MEK is a terror entity responsible for thousands of civilian death in post revolution Iran.

    [my applause ladies]

    Which ‘ladies’ are you talking about. Are you talking about ‘Maryam Rajavi’ a traitor in bed with mass murderes, in the west and Saudi Arabia for $$$ to kill Iranian people? Who except the axis of evil US-Israel-Saudis is benefiting?

    Masoud Rajavi not only fled to Iraq and embraced Saddam and killed Iranian people along Saddam, but also he was a sexual abuser of women in the camp. I use ‘was’, because widely is believed that HE IS DEAD. Mayam, an imposter, was married to Masoud’s fried before ending in bed with Masoud, but she divorced him on Masoud’s order to be united with a traitor and terrorist Masoud, a ‘leader’.
    This terrorist couple told dummies since they are bringing “democratic revolution” to Iran, thus they have to be united in bed, however, he asked other men not to do it, except himself. Soon after the union, he was asking other women in the camp to follow Maryam foot step to satisfy his sexual DESIRE. Maryam had to prepare women for the night.

    [Therefore, Rajavi called for a compulsory divorce according to which all MEK members had to get divorce. But that was not the end of the story. While he forbade his men from having sexual relations with their wives, he decided to take their place. As a result, he turned Camp Ashraf into a big harem where he could have his female comrades in arms night and day. Risking their lives, however, some of the sexual victims managed to escape from the camp to show the true colors of Rajavi, once their spiritual leader and now the most lecherous man in the world they know.]

    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/?p=5202

    Many women tried to escape, but were not able to. The whole situation exposed a few years ago.

    Transcript:
    Batoul Soltani:
    I’m Batoul Soltani, a resident of Germany. I was born in Isfahan. I’ve been living in Germany for more than four years. Before that, I was in the MEK for 20 years and before that I was in Iran for 20 years.
    We were pursuing more ambitious goals and looking for a better tomorrow thinking that they – according to their slogans – would bring people more democracy or a brighter future. Looking for such ideals, we fell for their slogans and joined their organization. We had passed the point of no return.
    What I saw in this organization was that women were merely tools in every level I witnessed. After all, 20 years is not a short period of time. And what we witnessed from the beginning – though my marriage conformed to social norms and was not an organizational marriage – I encountered women who were devoid of emotional involvement with their husbands but the organization had made them marry. For the first time, I saw compulsory marriages in the organization. It’s very difficult to love someone by force. I think that it’s very difficult for a woman to do so.


    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Lieberman-Rajavi-terrorism.jpg
    , @Hessler
    Islam has no celibacy. Koran recommands it's readers/followers to get married to the spouse of their choice and fulfill their sexual needs but in a controlled manner. Although one can choose celibacy and still be inline with the constitution but it's not recommend by the koran.

    The case that you made for the chastity of the Iranian women based on their religion is entirely baseless.

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  33. RobinG says:
    @memaguire
    "It was not unlike the Taliban which developed in adjacent Afghanistan." Actually, it couldn't be more unlike the Taliban. First, the MEK is of Shiite origin, the Taleban are pure Sunnis. Secondly, the MEK is a blend of secular Marxism and Shiite religion, much to the detriment and distortion of the latter. The Taleban, at least originally, were students ("taleb" is the Arabic word for a student of religious sciences) who studied in Pakistan during the time of the Russian occupation in madrasas, or religious schools, funded by the Saudis. In other words, they are students and advocates of Wahhabi, or puritanical Sunni, Islam. Thirdly, the rules and punishments imposed on the followers of the MEK are not those advocated even by the Shiite brand of law school, or Sharia. The Taleban are imposers of strictly interpreted Wahhabi Sharia. Finally, the Taleban are essentially an Afghan nationalist movement fighting foreign occupation as Afghanestan has been know to do historically, The MEK are betrayers of their country and, as such, must find foreign patrons.

    Are you saying that Shia and Sunni have different versions of Sharia? As in different laws, as opposed to different interpretations of the laws? Please expound.

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    In Islamic practice, there are three sources used to derive sharia, or Islamic law: the Quran, the sunna (or practice) of the Prophet and ijtihad, the individual reasoning of the jurisprudent (or intellectual striving--word derives from same Arabic root as "jihad".) In the Sunni world, there are four recognized schools of Islamic law: Hanifi, Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali. Of these, the Hanifi school is the most liberal and is practiced in modern Egypt, while the Hanbali is the strictist and gave rise to Wahhabism. During the reign of the Buyids (945-1045), a Persian Shiite ruling family in Baghdad, a specifically Shiite branch of law was derived which came to be regarded as the "fifth" branch of Islamic law. In this branch of law, the customs and sayings of Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet and his descendants were also considered as legitimate sources of law. Another major difference between Sunni and Shiite Sharia is that for the Sunnis, the Gate of Ijtihad (or reasoning) was closed sometime in the thirteenth century, while the Shiites continued to practice ijtihad up until the present. This gave Shiite law a greater ability to deal with changes in the world.
    , @Frankie P
    I strongly recommend this primer on Islam by Marguerite and Colonel Pat Lang. It is very informative, and I look forward to reading it again to let the broad information sink in. It seems that it was used to inform US military and intelligence personnel, though the good Colonel cursed them out for failing to take the work seriously and learn from it.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/who-are-muslims-what-do-they-believe-are-their-ideas-and-traditions-so-alien-there-cannot-be-reconciliation-between-them-an.html
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  34. @Ronald Thomas West
    ps, my take on Ben Menashe's "Profits of War"

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    ^

    Ronald Thomas West offered: “ps, my take on Ben Menashe’s “Profits of War”

    Hi R.T.W.,

    Am free from work now, but must mow lawn.

    Am still digesting Menashe’s being described as a “rogue Israeli agent,” and the fact that Zio-approved Newsweek covered Mr. Parry’s possibly explosive article.

    Weird.

    After grass cut & a too large rose bush trimmed, I should be objectively prepared to read your article, contemplate, & offer a response.

    F.y.i., since Newsweek ran a magazine-cover depicting Slobodon Milosevic as “The Face of Evil,” I disdain that rag. Thanks!

    P.S. As you know, staying square with sophisticated methods of Mossad / CIA deception is challenging, as such is meant to be.

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  35. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I remain as ever a tad suspicious of Iran and their ambitions -- I don't think for a minute the Islamic revolution is over.


    However, I Iran is not a threat to the US nor Israel for that matter and as she has been keeping her end of the deal --- it appears the one's in default is the US.


    Given the our invasions and by the admissions of Dr. Giraldi and others, I don't think we can be sure who is at play with the MEK. I have no doubt that there are multiple parties interested in ruling iran or whatever state they can get their hands on.

    I have to take no view of n whether they are communists -- I have no supporting data on that.

    http://mek-iran.com/about-us/

    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/peoples_muhajedin_of_iran_mek/

    https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/35-years-ago-an-iranian-revolution-thanks-to-jimmy-carter

    i have to shift my views here. but on the data -- the MEK is likely to lead a strict islamic state, based on their academic history and disagreements with the clerics and the Ayatollah. However, I think that is best done via the political process.


    I do appreciate their vow of celibacy -- that's a huge plus -- but not a basis for an entire polity of governance.


    my applause ladies.

    [I do appreciate their vow of celibacy — that’s a huge plus]

    The MEK neither is Islamic NOR Marxist. Everyone knows these two terms don’t go together.
    MEK is a terrorist organization in the service of imperialism and Zionism to kill people. These traitors were used by Israel to assassinate Iranian scientists.
    MEK has NO SUPPORT among Iranian people, only is used by the Iranian fifth column abroad including Payam Akhavan, a CIA asset and its extension. Akhavan is the founder of ‘Iran document’ in New Heaven funded by the CIA to make FAKE documents against Iranian government. Akhavan left Iran at the age of 8, but in the petition he signs for the empire to bomb Libya or Syria, he pose as ‘Iranian’ not Canadian. He has received the title og ’young world leaderd’ hoax for his services for imperialism/Zionism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payam_Akhavan

    The MEK is a terror entity responsible for thousands of civilian death in post revolution Iran.

    [my applause ladies]

    Which ‘ladies’ are you talking about. Are you talking about ‘Maryam Rajavi’ a traitor in bed with mass murderes, in the west and Saudi Arabia for $$$ to kill Iranian people? Who except the axis of evil US-Israel-Saudis is benefiting?

    Masoud Rajavi not only fled to Iraq and embraced Saddam and killed Iranian people along Saddam, but also he was a sexual abuser of women in the camp. I use ‘was’, because widely is believed that HE IS DEAD. Mayam, an imposter, was married to Masoud’s fried before ending in bed with Masoud, but she divorced him on Masoud’s order to be united with a traitor and terrorist Masoud, a ‘leader’.
    This terrorist couple told dummies since they are bringing “democratic revolution” to Iran, thus they have to be united in bed, however, he asked other men not to do it, except himself. Soon after the union, he was asking other women in the camp to follow Maryam foot step to satisfy his sexual DESIRE. Maryam had to prepare women for the night.

    [Therefore, Rajavi called for a compulsory divorce according to which all MEK members had to get divorce. But that was not the end of the story. While he forbade his men from having sexual relations with their wives, he decided to take their place. As a result, he turned Camp Ashraf into a big harem where he could have his female comrades in arms night and day. Risking their lives, however, some of the sexual victims managed to escape from the camp to show the true colors of Rajavi, once their spiritual leader and now the most lecherous man in the world they know.]

    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/?p=5202

    Many women tried to escape, but were not able to. The whole situation exposed a few years ago.

    Transcript:
    Batoul Soltani:
    I’m Batoul Soltani, a resident of Germany. I was born in Isfahan. I’ve been living in Germany for more than four years. Before that, I was in the MEK for 20 years and before that I was in Iran for 20 years.
    We were pursuing more ambitious goals and looking for a better tomorrow thinking that they – according to their slogans – would bring people more democracy or a brighter future. Looking for such ideals, we fell for their slogans and joined their organization. We had passed the point of no return.
    What I saw in this organization was that women were merely tools in every level I witnessed. After all, 20 years is not a short period of time. And what we witnessed from the beginning – though my marriage conformed to social norms and was not an organizational marriage – I encountered women who were devoid of emotional involvement with their husbands but the organization had made them marry. For the first time, I saw compulsory marriages in the organization. It’s very difficult to love someone by force. I think that it’s very difficult for a woman to do so.

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    There is no post revolutionary iran. the islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not singularly momentary and over.

    And it is accurate that during the revolution a lot of blood was spilled by several different entities.


    Clearly, I am applauding celibacy and those ladies who so practice. Prudence in military action, need not dismiss qualities of virtue --- i am unclear what it is that has you so twisting in the wind and misplacing my comments to read out of their specific and intended meaning. The constant misappropriation of another's arguments has really become a skill by so many of you. it's a rather strange practice.

    But to your commentary.

    That's all very interesting, but it's bearing on my comments is nil.


    It is my understanding that the MEK desires to govern iran. Their intentions is to provide greater autonomy from the religious right, ideas born out of their academic leanings. I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists. I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk - that is their business. Here's to a more peaceable route, but those are choices made by those seeking leadership.


    Our founders were certainly viewed as terrorists no doubt.

    One need not search among the women of the mek to find women devoid of emotional attachment. The list of detached narcissistic women are plenty here on our shores. They are murdering their children in the womb and bragging about it - to the near beat of of 1 million a year. . They are flaunting all manner of behaviors with each other men, and other asundary beasts. They too want power, money, position and leadership - save they are not so willing to pay that price and more inclined that men do the heavy lifting for them --

    So while i may not subscribe to their violent desire for revolution --- i am willing to give them a nod, for bravery. give me a woman willing to fight for me
    to the death

    and I am all hers . . .

    Let's see where was I . . . oh

    applauding their celibacy.

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  36. memaguire says:
    @RobinG
    Are you saying that Shia and Sunni have different versions of Sharia? As in different laws, as opposed to different interpretations of the laws? Please expound.

    In Islamic practice, there are three sources used to derive sharia, or Islamic law: the Quran, the sunna (or practice) of the Prophet and ijtihad, the individual reasoning of the jurisprudent (or intellectual striving–word derives from same Arabic root as “jihad”.) In the Sunni world, there are four recognized schools of Islamic law: Hanifi, Shafi’i, Maliki, and Hanbali. Of these, the Hanifi school is the most liberal and is practiced in modern Egypt, while the Hanbali is the strictist and gave rise to Wahhabism. During the reign of the Buyids (945-1045), a Persian Shiite ruling family in Baghdad, a specifically Shiite branch of law was derived which came to be regarded as the “fifth” branch of Islamic law. In this branch of law, the customs and sayings of Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet and his descendants were also considered as legitimate sources of law. Another major difference between Sunni and Shiite Sharia is that for the Sunnis, the Gate of Ijtihad (or reasoning) was closed sometime in the thirteenth century, while the Shiites continued to practice ijtihad up until the present. This gave Shiite law a greater ability to deal with changes in the world.

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    Gearóid Ó Colmáin participated in the New Horizons conference in Iran and also signed the 9/11 letter.

    Iranian author and scholar of Islam Blake Archer Williams, whose essay on Sacred Communities was featured on The Saker's blog, sent along Ó Colmáin's essay on his thoughts on the Conference:

    [nb. Ó Colmáin is a tad too Irish/Roman Catholic by my lights, and I must admit I clipped the paragraphs comparing NSDAP to zionism: hey, it's my comment box.]


    The Occupation: Reflections on a recent trip to Iran.

    Excessive emotional focus on the brutality the Israeli Defense Forces in Palestine, while justified, nevertheless serves to mask the deeper forces driving the world to war: Jewish eschatology, anti-Gentilism, and the Israeli occupation of the Western mind. It is time to break the taboo.

    I visited Iran last week for the Sixth International New Horizons Conference in the religious city of Mashad. The New Horizons conference is organised by an Iranian NGO and invites writers and intellectuals from all over the world to debate and discuss problems in international relations. This year’s conference focused on the recent US embassy move to Jerusalem.

    I wrote a paper for the conference book entitled ‘The Noahide Laws: Bedrock for a Planetary State called Israel’ arguing that many Jewish rabbis and influential oligarchs wish to see Jerusalem as the capital of a world government which would have one set of laws for Jews and another for gentiles. I described how the legal mechanisms of Jewish-dominated global governance are already being implemented at UN level, unbeknownst to most of the world’s population. Globalisation is as much a matter of a certain religious fanaticism as it is of monopoly capitalism - a fact dialectical materialists cannot and will not ever comprehend.

    This was my fourth trip to Iran, the third on an official basis. Mashad is home to the tomb of the Eight Shiia Imam. The city never sleeps with pilgrims arriving all the time from all over the world. I visited Mashad university with former US Psychological Operations Counterterrorism analyst Scott Bennett where I delivered a lecture on the history of European anti-Semitism.

    I argued that European anti-Semitism was principally due to the cruel behaviour of Jewish financiers who repeatedly and relentlessly got princes and paupers into debt through the illicit practice of usury. One simply needs to read the extensive literature on the topic written by Jews such as Bernard Lazard,Heinrich Graetz, Werner Sombart, Cecil Roth or Gershom Sholem to understand why gentiles distrusted and despised Jews. Since Christ cleared the money-lenders from the temple, Roman Catholic teaching has proclaimed usury to be a mortal sin equivalent to murder.

    Jews are encouraged by the Talmud to lend to the gentile at interest: it is the fundamental difference between the Jew and the Christian, a fact understood by all Europe’s great philosophers from Augustine to Aquinas and from Nietzsche to Marx, but lacking among the craven clique of contemporary philosophasters.

    In most cases, those who denounce anti-Semitism have never read any of the relevant literature.

    Multipolar chaos or Christian world order

    There were important disagreements at this conference. Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin contended that a multipolar world of traditional civilisations would resolve many of the problems of the current world disorder. But Catholic intellectual E. Micheal Jones, Tehran-based Islamologist Blake Archer Williams and this writer argued that the natural tendency of the world is towards unification.

    To be sure, national democratic revolutions propelled by populism can open avenues of resistance to globalisation but only on an extremely limited scale. For example, Trump’s presidency has allowed debate on the origins of climate change to flourish. Now, thousands of important dissenting voices in the scientific community can finally be heard and the project for one-world government - the driving force behind climate pseudo-science is weakened.

    Nonetheless, I believe we will have a global super-state in time whether we like it or not. Multipolarity has not brought global peace, nor did the multipolar order of 1913 prevent the first world war.

    Only a return to traditional Roman Catholicism could offer the prospect of overcoming the challenges of multicultural Europe. For the basis of European civilisation is constituted, as Alain Soral has wisely noted, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=t5KfqGYyhNI

    by the Greek logos and the Roman caritas which are united in Christianity. Today logos has been buried in liberal and atheistic irrationalism and pseudoscience, while we have lost all sense of the beauty and necessity of Christian compassion or charity.

    The Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church was intended by God to be the guide of humanity, a link between heaven and earth guiding all men to their salvation. It was meant to be a one-world government under God. Since the Enlightenment ( a revolt against reason rather than for it) godless elites have striven for the creation of a universal republic, a Promethean dream of humanist supremacy, a universal Anti-Church- a world government under Satan.

    Communism can deliver man from the tyranny of capital but it cannot deliver man from his fallen nature if it is not the communism of Acts 4 -32-35. In Stalin’s USSR and Enver Hoxha’s Socialist Albania, valiant efforts were made to encourage self-criticism and altruism but the revolutions were overthrown. At the conference, I met Olsi Yazeji , an Albanian political commentator. He told me that the successes of Hoxha’s socialist revolution were undermined by state atheism. According to Bill Bland, Hoxha never supported the introduction of state atheism. In fact, he supported Khomeini’s revolution in Iran.

    As Chesterton points out in his book ‘The Everlasting Man’, Marxists are deluded into thinking that man’s primary need is material; no, man’s primary need is to understand why he is here.

    Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that communists in the USSR during Stalin’s time were far more like Christians than Americans; but they carried a cross without Christ, whereas Americans wanted Christ without the cross. Sheen’s strategy to defeat communism was ironically similar, mutatis mutandis, to Stalin’s attempt to spread it: build a revolutionary Christian society in one country and the world will follow.

    Today, the ‘Left’ is comparable to the Roman soldiers at Golgotha. They leer, mock and torment anyone who upholds the value of truth. They are smug middle-class conservatives with no theory for change, lily-livered social degenerates incapable of lifting anything of value, let alone a cross!

    In Iran, Shiia theologians see Islam as the path to Christ. It is only on that basis that Muslims and Christians can form an alliance -albeit agonistic - against the Luciferian world disorder.

    The very fact that New Horizons Conferences exist in Iran is an attestation of a multi-polar world but it is a world teetering on the edge of the abyss as the prospect of war looms. Roman Catholics do not want a multi-polar world; we want a divine world order which is the mystical body of Christ. Russian Orthodox Christianity is vital to that unification but only if Russia is consecrated to the Sacred Heart of Mary, according to the vision of Fatima. In his last visit to the Vatican President Vladimir Putin is reported to have asked the Apostate Pope about the Third Secret of Fatima. If it is true, it shows that Putin’s Russia sees its historical and eschatological role in the framework of a Third Rome.

    According to Father Kramer, the Apostate Francis refused to discuss Fatima with President Putin.

    Völkerwanderung

    Jewish and Israeli organisations have played a key role in promoting ‘multiculturalism’ in Europe. Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is acculturation. I say this as someone who began his writing career as a propagandist for multiculturalism. Polyglots love diversity. It is what attracts us to foreign languages. Multicultural Europe, however, is total homogenisation. But we should not fall into the trap of those godless alt-rightists who blame the victims of globalisation.

    Many African migrants in Europe keep our churches open and they are far more moral than many of our indigenous citizens. Europeans and Africans will only achieve a higher civil synthesis through faith. The current war in the Holy See between Cardinal Sarah and the ‘Apostate’ Francis is symbolic.

    Sarah, an African, appears to be one of the few cardinals currently defending the Roman Catholic Church against the perverted sycophants of the Bishop of Rome. Traditional Roman Catholics, whom petty bourgeois leftists slander as racists, are praying for Sarah to become pope. I am not saying we in Europe should be happy about becoming an ethnic minority, which if mass immigration continues, we will certainly become.

    Only fools and self-hating petty bourgeois White leftists seek the annihilation of their own race. But we should look at our situation in world-historical terms. The Goths and Visigoths destroyed the Roman Empire, but they also helped build a far more important civilisation: Christendom.

    A return to Christianity will bring about a return to natural law, reason and the scientific method based on proofs, not consensus.

    The populist movements are a step in the right direction in so far as they challenge EU centralisation. But many of those movements are in alliance with the Jews against the Muslims. There must be an alliance of Muslims and Christians against the Zionists. The alliance must be Leninist in form. That is to say, the Christians must seek to convert Muslim immigrants. There cannot be several truths. Either Christ is the Messiah or he is not. For Roman Catholics, Islam is a Christian heresy; it is what all the Church fathers taught. The Muslims, on the other hand, also have the duty to convert the Christians. They have every right to do so.

    Our alliance will not be easy. But we should see Muslims and Christians as committed to two versions of Christianity. We need to work on our common ground. Muslims, through their espousal of family values, of the religious way of life, of a belief in charity and generosity, are our brothers and sisters. This agonistic alliance is already happening in Paris, the ‘capital of subversion’, where traditional Roman Catholic priests are going into working-class Muslims communities to preach the gospel and are being warmly received there.

    Is Trump Iran’s ally?

    Those who voted for Donald Trump have far more in common with the values of the people who revere Imam Khomeini. In many respects, both political revolutions represent a rejection of the bourgeois liberal catechism of human rights and the specious dogmas of modernity. Trumpism and Khomeinism both represent a resurgence of the reality principle in a world of postmodern chaos.

    To be sure, Trump is doing the bidding of the ultra-Zionist Jews Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer who have partly funded him. But the liberal wing of international Jewry is far more powerful. French Jew and self-professed Satanist Bernard-Henri Lévi recently compared Trump to Emperor Diocletian, who some Rabbis claimed took revenge on the Jews while in power after being bullied by them in his youth.

    Bernard-Henri Lévy is under no doubt about who runs the USA.

    ‘There is a law that governs the relations between the Jews and the rest of the world. That law was articulated in one form at the time of the trial of Adolf Eichmann, when the great Jewish thinker Gershom Scholem faulted Hannah Arendt for falling short of “ahavat Israel” — for showing insufficient “love of the Jewish people.”
    This love is precisely what is required of an American president in dealings affecting Israel.’
    Love for Israel and the Jews is the sacred law which must govern the ‘rest of the world’. But Bernard-Henri Lévy does not believe Trump really loves the Jews. For Lévy the election of Trump is strengthening:
    ‘the most shortsighted and therefore suicidal fringe of Israeli politics. It may send the wrong signal to those who would be only too happy to see the United States set the example of making unilateral, unnegotiated decisions, thereby opening the way to other shows of force. In the United States, it may generate an overly enthusiastic embrace by pro-Israel Jews of a volatile president (one likely, depending on the needs of his deals, to change his mind), one who is so deeply unpopular with so many Americans that his embrace of Israel, however fleeting, could endanger the bipartisan consensus that has been so beneficial to Israel over the decades’
    A nation which dominates another cannot be free because it constantly lives in fear of revolt. Now the entire liberal intelligentsia in Europe can see that Israel is the real reason for Trump’s hostility to Iran; that Zionism commits mass murder with impunity; that ultra-Zionist populism endangers Jewish power in the world. Given Trump’s bad cop image, it is more difficult for the liberal press to justify his measures - to the benefit of Israel’s enemies.

    The fact that so many European and American intellectuals at the Iran conference preferred Trump to Clinton proves that Bernard-Henri Lévi’s anxieties are well-founded. Internationalist liberal values are the fons et origo of Jewish power in the world. The gentile rebellion against those fake values, while ensconced in ultra-Zionist discourse, nevertheless represents the possibility of a deeper apostasy from political Judaism. No matter how much largesse Trump bestows upon the Jews, they will not be at peace until Rome falls and Judea triumphs.
    During the conference, we had the opportunity to see a video of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urging the US Congress to bombard Iran through strategically-placed satellite dishes with the Jewish-owned entertainment industry, in order to corrupt the values of the nation’s youth. The Jews boast about the fact that they use the entertainment industry to dominate the gentiles. Are gentiles afraid to speak of such things? A majority that fears a minority deserves to be enslaved.
    As I write, historian Hervé Ryssen is being arraigned before a French court for having simply described what Jews say about themselves. He is guilty of “malicious intent” and has broken the law which says you must love the Jews more than God. When fools rail at us for anti-Semitism we must denounce them for anti-Gentilism! For that is what political Judaism is: one vast conspiracy against gentiles and Christianity in particular.

    Jewish gatekeepers

    I have noted before that Jewish, left-liberal Palestinophiles often have a note-worthy tendency to deflect attention from the obvious elephant in the room when we talk about the occupied territories: the role of the Jewish Lobbies in the West; Jewish-controlled media both mainstream and ‘alternative’; Jewish finance and supremacist Talmudic ideology.

    Jewish gate-keepers in the pro-Palestinian movement will try to make you believe the Jewish Lobby does not exist. They are always viscerally opposed to ‘conspiracy theory’; they have a good reason! You will learn nothing from them about Israeli false flag operations; Israel’s role in 911 and subsequent false flag terrorist attacks. But there is one conspiracy theory they like to propagate: those who wish to discuss these problems are Nazis and have been put into the pro-Palestinian movement by Israel to discredit it!

    They never produce any evidence to back up their claims. I just hope all those Mossad payments to my Paypal are not discovered! The Jewish gatekeeper’s role in conferences is to interrupt and bully, Goebbels-like, those who do have the courage to broaden the parameters of the debate on the Jewish Question. For them, there is no Jewish Question; there is only the Palestinian Question. But it was two millennia of Jewish hatred and opposition to Christian civilisation which turned Palestinians into refugees. There was never a Palestinian Question before 1948. The President of the Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas is well read in that history and is not afraid to say it.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/ abbas-says-jews-behavior-not- anti-semitism-caused-the- holocaust/

    But you won’t hear about it from the Jewish ‘pro-Palestinian’ gatekeeper. As the Israelis say ‘ By deception we wage war’.

    . . .

    Deicide is the supreme crime

    The Palestinian uprising against the Jewish State’s attempt to make Jerusalem the capital of a Satanic world order must be accompanied by a worldwide awakening to and rejection of political Judaism’s methods of mass manipulation: Hollywood and the entertainment industry; the mass media, and bourgeois liberal consensus politics.

    There is no long-term political solution to the occupation of Palestine; it is a manifestation of a global psychological occupation which inverts reality, making us perceive our servitude as freedom. French theologian Monsignor Delasus in his 18th-century book ‘ La Conjuration anti-Chretienne’ warned that if men left the Catholic Church they would be ruled by the Jews. The dispossession and genocide of the Palestinians is an intimation of humanity’s fate extra ecclesiam.

    Deicide is the supreme crime

    That Judaism has entered and corrupted the Catholic Church since the heresies of the Vatican II council, there can be no doubt.

    The Jews boasted about their conquest!

    https://www. theoccidentalobserver.net/ 2013/07/23/leon-de-poncins- the-problem-with-the-jews-at- the-council-part-i/

    Until the publication of the heretical encyclical Nostra Aetate in 1965, traditional Catholic teaching on the Jews was that they were destined to wander the world until they accepted Christ as their saviour. Nostra Aetate is not based on Catholic doctrine: it provides no Biblical evidence to support its outrageous claims.

    Catholic doctrine is crystal clear that the supreme crime of history is deicide: the crucifixion of Christ; and the Jews were responsible for that crime. It is our duty as Roman Catholics to politely remind our Jewish friends that this and only this can count as history’s greatest murder. Jews must never be harmed; they must be protected, loved and we must pray for their conversion so that their souls may be saved. There is no ‘Judeo-Christianity’; Christianity and Judaism are the opposite of each other.

    Since the 1960s, these key doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church have been abandoned. Traditional Roman Catholics cannot support and collaborate with Zionism. Today the Vatican is occupied by a homosexual, free-masonic cult of Satanists but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, as the mystical body of Christ, is divine, eternal and indestructible; and it is the only salvation for all mankind.

    Persia and Rome versus Judea!

    Only a Catholic revolution will save Europe from ‘the occupation’. The social cohesion promoted by Iran’s Islamic Revolution; its particular form of theocratic democracy or religious politics; its humility and quest for knowledge, has made it the centre of a global movement against Zionism and political Judaism. Europeans have much to learn from Persia for it will take a far more radical and fundamental revolution in Europe to liberate us from ‘the occupation’.

    This is the deeper significance of Iran’s Islamic Revolution and why it leads the struggle for the liberation of the Middle East and the world: Iran rejects the bourgeois liberal order and its fake religion of human rights, democracy and freedom, all of which mean the opposite.

    That is why international Jewry will do everything in its power to destroy the Islamic Republic of Iran and its people. We say international Jewry as we are not simply talking about Zionists such as Netanyahu here; we are talking about ‘internationalists’ George Soros and other banksters, most of whom are Jewish and see their Judaism as fundamental to their worldview. Iran understands that this is a religious war waged by the Great Satan against those who love and fear God. Soros, though an ostensible enemy of Israel, does far more to push Jewish power in the world, than Benjamin Netanyahu. While the latter props up terrorists in Syria, the Soros-funded Human Rights Watch, blames their crimes on their victims while playing the same role as the Jewish gatekeeper: keep critics of Israel focused on Gaza and away from the question of Jewish power.

    The Jews say that anti-Zionism is tantamount to anti-Semitism. They are correct. For to be anti-Semitic is to be opposed to a system called Semitism, which we translate as Jewish supremacy. That does not make us opposed to all semites, whether Arabs or Jews. We should also point out that Iran, a predominantly Indo-European nation, counts many Jews and Arabs among its Semitic religious minorities. In fact, Iran’s Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel and it supports the Islamic Republic. Last year I interviewed a well-known Jewish deputy in the Iranian parliament, which you will see in my forthcoming documentary on Iran.

    Who is afraid of being called anti-Semitic? What a noble thing it is to be against Semitism, against Jewish racist supremacy! It is a compliment to be called anti-Semitic!

    Polite liberal claptrap about human rights and international law will do nothing to end ‘the occupation’. The problem lies at the very core of Western civilisation which is on its death bed. Palestine is crawling with NGOS and well-meaning ‘activists’ who bravely stand before tanks and gunfire, organise conferences and events but who have no knowledge of the Jews and their history. Those people are motivated more by emotion than reason. Take the pathetic example of French Trotskyite Olivier Besancenot, crying on television when he was called an ‘anti-Semite.’

    Abby Martin is another case in point. She rants and raves about the “fascist” Israeli regime; yet when asked why the United States supports it, pathetically responds, “ I don’t know”. How can she not know! It seems the whole point of her vituperative rants about Israel are designed to preclude an open, honest, calm factual analysis of the problem. The Israeli Defense Forces are a minute symptom of the far more complex, global phenomenon discussed here.

    What we need is a virile response to the Jewish occupation of our formerly Christian minds, of our schools and universities.According to French oligarch Jacques Attali, the project of moving the Israeli capital to Jerusalem is part of the attempt to make the city the capital of a future world government in preparation for the return of the Jewish Messiah. Attali also believes non Jews are subhuman; it’s a common Talmudic belief. Christians should not lose sight of the fact that Jerusalem is our sacred city too.

    The New World Order is the future triumph of evil on this earth. It is the dream of those who say they are Jews and are not but are the Synagogue of Satan’. (Revelation 3.9).

    The Western mind is an Israeli-occupied territory. But in these dark, end times, a new horizon has opened in Persia where imams are calling for the return of Christ and an end to the global, Satanic propaganda machine, an end once and for all to the occupation.
     
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  37. Momus says:
    @windwaves
    they are preparing for war. As you said, whatever comes out of the WH is either stupid or a lie.

    Another war that we will lose; Americans don't seem to learn from history - since WWII we have not won a war (grenada ? please; Iraq 1, yes, sure 400,000 troops and full international support).

    Anyhow, more US soldiers will lose their lives or be wounded for shit hole country Israel and for no good reason for the benefit of the USA, zero, nothing, nada de nada.

    Americans have to wake up. We need a revolution against the current establishment run by israel and traitors israel firsters. This can only come from the people.

    The US won the Cold War overwhelmingly and it’s power projection and threats, implied and explicit, have meant victories in many wars that were not fought. That is the art of war.

    Unless you have been asleep under a rock you would have noticed that the US under Trump has been doing the opposite of preparing for war.
    Trump has given great freedom of action to Israel, Saudi, Egypt, Jordan to sort out the Iranians and to make and break the little liasons with local actors in Syria and MEK in Iran.

    This strategy is working: the might of the US is a back stop, Russia has far more in common with Israeli interests and the Iranians will be driven out of Syria and away from the Meditteranean coast.

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  38. The Iranians love to see the MEK members returning home to do someone else’s dirty work! The only thing is that the US officials and Mossad will be disqualified to make any comments regarding human rights when the sees the MEK members are hanging from their nicks in Tehran prison!

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  39. @Taras77
    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge "good behavior," or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.

    “The fact of the matter now”

    As opposed to

    The fact of the matter at any other time?

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  40. @memaguire
    In Islamic practice, there are three sources used to derive sharia, or Islamic law: the Quran, the sunna (or practice) of the Prophet and ijtihad, the individual reasoning of the jurisprudent (or intellectual striving--word derives from same Arabic root as "jihad".) In the Sunni world, there are four recognized schools of Islamic law: Hanifi, Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali. Of these, the Hanifi school is the most liberal and is practiced in modern Egypt, while the Hanbali is the strictist and gave rise to Wahhabism. During the reign of the Buyids (945-1045), a Persian Shiite ruling family in Baghdad, a specifically Shiite branch of law was derived which came to be regarded as the "fifth" branch of Islamic law. In this branch of law, the customs and sayings of Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet and his descendants were also considered as legitimate sources of law. Another major difference between Sunni and Shiite Sharia is that for the Sunnis, the Gate of Ijtihad (or reasoning) was closed sometime in the thirteenth century, while the Shiites continued to practice ijtihad up until the present. This gave Shiite law a greater ability to deal with changes in the world.

    Gearóid Ó Colmáin participated in the New Horizons conference in Iran and also signed the 9/11 letter.

    Iranian author and scholar of Islam Blake Archer Williams, whose essay on Sacred Communities was featured on The Saker’s blog, sent along Ó Colmáin’s essay on his thoughts on the Conference:

    [nb. Ó Colmáin is a tad too Irish/Roman Catholic by my lights, and I must admit I clipped the paragraphs comparing NSDAP to zionism: hey, it's my comment box.]

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    The Occupation: Reflections on a recent trip to Iran.

    Excessive emotional focus on the brutality the Israeli Defense Forces in Palestine, while justified, nevertheless serves to mask the deeper forces driving the world to war: Jewish eschatology, anti-Gentilism, and the Israeli occupation of the Western mind. It is time to break the taboo.

    I visited Iran last week for the Sixth International New Horizons Conference in the religious city of Mashad. The New Horizons conference is organised by an Iranian NGO and invites writers and intellectuals from all over the world to debate and discuss problems in international relations. This year’s conference focused on the recent US embassy move to Jerusalem.

    I wrote a paper for the conference book entitled ‘The Noahide Laws: Bedrock for a Planetary State called Israel’ arguing that many Jewish rabbis and influential oligarchs wish to see Jerusalem as the capital of a world government which would have one set of laws for Jews and another for gentiles. I described how the legal mechanisms of Jewish-dominated global governance are already being implemented at UN level, unbeknownst to most of the world’s population. Globalisation is as much a matter of a certain religious fanaticism as it is of monopoly capitalism – a fact dialectical materialists cannot and will not ever comprehend.

    This was my fourth trip to Iran, the third on an official basis. Mashad is home to the tomb of the Eight Shiia Imam. The city never sleeps with pilgrims arriving all the time from all over the world. I visited Mashad university with former US Psychological Operations Counterterrorism analyst Scott Bennett where I delivered a lecture on the history of European anti-Semitism.

    I argued that European anti-Semitism was principally due to the cruel behaviour of Jewish financiers who repeatedly and relentlessly got princes and paupers into debt through the illicit practice of usury. One simply needs to read the extensive literature on the topic written by Jews such as Bernard Lazard,Heinrich Graetz, Werner Sombart, Cecil Roth or Gershom Sholem to understand why gentiles distrusted and despised Jews. Since Christ cleared the money-lenders from the temple, Roman Catholic teaching has proclaimed usury to be a mortal sin equivalent to murder.

    Jews are encouraged by the Talmud to lend to the gentile at interest: it is the fundamental difference between the Jew and the Christian, a fact understood by all Europe’s great philosophers from Augustine to Aquinas and from Nietzsche to Marx, but lacking among the craven clique of contemporary philosophasters.

    In most cases, those who denounce anti-Semitism have never read any of the relevant literature.

    Multipolar chaos or Christian world order

    There were important disagreements at this conference. Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin contended that a multipolar world of traditional civilisations would resolve many of the problems of the current world disorder. But Catholic intellectual E. Micheal Jones, Tehran-based Islamologist Blake Archer Williams and this writer argued that the natural tendency of the world is towards unification.

    To be sure, national democratic revolutions propelled by populism can open avenues of resistance to globalisation but only on an extremely limited scale. For example, Trump’s presidency has allowed debate on the origins of climate change to flourish. Now, thousands of important dissenting voices in the scientific community can finally be heard and the project for one-world government – the driving force behind climate pseudo-science is weakened.

    Nonetheless, I believe we will have a global super-state in time whether we like it or not. Multipolarity has not brought global peace, nor did the multipolar order of 1913 prevent the first world war.

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  41. @anonymous
    [I do appreciate their vow of celibacy — that’s a huge plus]


    The MEK neither is Islamic NOR Marxist. Everyone knows these two terms don’t go together.
    MEK is a terrorist organization in the service of imperialism and Zionism to kill people. These traitors were used by Israel to assassinate Iranian scientists.
    MEK has NO SUPPORT among Iranian people, only is used by the Iranian fifth column abroad including Payam Akhavan, a CIA asset and its extension. Akhavan is the founder of ‘Iran document’ in New Heaven funded by the CIA to make FAKE documents against Iranian government. Akhavan left Iran at the age of 8, but in the petition he signs for the empire to bomb Libya or Syria, he pose as ‘Iranian’ not Canadian. He has received the title og ’young world leaderd’ hoax for his services for imperialism/Zionism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payam_Akhavan

    The MEK is a terror entity responsible for thousands of civilian death in post revolution Iran.

    [my applause ladies]

    Which ‘ladies’ are you talking about. Are you talking about ‘Maryam Rajavi’ a traitor in bed with mass murderes, in the west and Saudi Arabia for $$$ to kill Iranian people? Who except the axis of evil US-Israel-Saudis is benefiting?

    Masoud Rajavi not only fled to Iraq and embraced Saddam and killed Iranian people along Saddam, but also he was a sexual abuser of women in the camp. I use ‘was’, because widely is believed that HE IS DEAD. Mayam, an imposter, was married to Masoud’s fried before ending in bed with Masoud, but she divorced him on Masoud’s order to be united with a traitor and terrorist Masoud, a ‘leader’.
    This terrorist couple told dummies since they are bringing “democratic revolution” to Iran, thus they have to be united in bed, however, he asked other men not to do it, except himself. Soon after the union, he was asking other women in the camp to follow Maryam foot step to satisfy his sexual DESIRE. Maryam had to prepare women for the night.

    [Therefore, Rajavi called for a compulsory divorce according to which all MEK members had to get divorce. But that was not the end of the story. While he forbade his men from having sexual relations with their wives, he decided to take their place. As a result, he turned Camp Ashraf into a big harem where he could have his female comrades in arms night and day. Risking their lives, however, some of the sexual victims managed to escape from the camp to show the true colors of Rajavi, once their spiritual leader and now the most lecherous man in the world they know.]

    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/?p=5202

    Many women tried to escape, but were not able to. The whole situation exposed a few years ago.

    Transcript:
    Batoul Soltani:
    I’m Batoul Soltani, a resident of Germany. I was born in Isfahan. I’ve been living in Germany for more than four years. Before that, I was in the MEK for 20 years and before that I was in Iran for 20 years.
    We were pursuing more ambitious goals and looking for a better tomorrow thinking that they – according to their slogans – would bring people more democracy or a brighter future. Looking for such ideals, we fell for their slogans and joined their organization. We had passed the point of no return.
    What I saw in this organization was that women were merely tools in every level I witnessed. After all, 20 years is not a short period of time. And what we witnessed from the beginning – though my marriage conformed to social norms and was not an organizational marriage – I encountered women who were devoid of emotional involvement with their husbands but the organization had made them marry. For the first time, I saw compulsory marriages in the organization. It’s very difficult to love someone by force. I think that it’s very difficult for a woman to do so.


    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Lieberman-Rajavi-terrorism.jpg

    There is no post revolutionary iran. the islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not singularly momentary and over.

    And it is accurate that during the revolution a lot of blood was spilled by several different entities.

    Clearly, I am applauding celibacy and those ladies who so practice. Prudence in military action, need not dismiss qualities of virtue — i am unclear what it is that has you so twisting in the wind and misplacing my comments to read out of their specific and intended meaning. The constant misappropriation of another’s arguments has really become a skill by so many of you. it’s a rather strange practice.

    But to your commentary.

    That’s all very interesting, but it’s bearing on my comments is nil.

    It is my understanding that the MEK desires to govern iran. Their intentions is to provide greater autonomy from the religious right, ideas born out of their academic leanings. I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists. I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk – that is their business. Here’s to a more peaceable route, but those are choices made by those seeking leadership.

    Our founders were certainly viewed as terrorists no doubt.

    One need not search among the women of the mek to find women devoid of emotional attachment. The list of detached narcissistic women are plenty here on our shores. They are murdering their children in the womb and bragging about it – to the near beat of of 1 million a year. . They are flaunting all manner of behaviors with each other men, and other asundary beasts. They too want power, money, position and leadership – save they are not so willing to pay that price and more inclined that men do the heavy lifting for them —

    So while i may not subscribe to their violent desire for revolution — i am willing to give them a nod, for bravery. give me a woman willing to fight for me
    to the death

    and I am all hers . . .

    Let’s see where was I . . . oh

    applauding their celibacy.

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    "The Islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not momentary and over."

    What is the basis, in hard, cold evidence, that "Islam desires to evangelize the planet?"

    ---
    You tipped your hand recently, ECi -- you are obsessed w/ sex and sexually frustrated,

    You shoot off uninformed opinions the same way and from same deficits as the kid in Texas, but with even more deadly-dangerous consequences.

    Religion-- Catholicism -- holds that lying, or engagi g in less than honest speech that could cause harm is grievously sinful, it's effects far more destructive than failing to remain "celibate" I e narcissicistically sterile.

    Stop spouting off about Islam and Iran when you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
    , @RobinG
    Comment #50 is for you, Troll-Bot.

    204 has your number.
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  42. @Anon
    MEK is communist which means anti capitalist. Anti religion and pro women’s rights

    All the useful idiot communists and liberals who helped overthrow the Shah were destroyed or fled to other countries to save their lives shortly after the Shah left

    The revolution was anti women’s rights severely religious conformity and pro dog eat dog capitalism. A big incentive for business owners to join the revolution was that the Shahs-government collected taxes or planned to

    Horrors!!!!

    What did the useful idiot liberals expect?

    Useful idiot intellectuals & liberals are the same the world over.

    …communist which means anti capitalist…

    More precisely it means anti goy-capitalist. There were plenty of Red millionaires and it was rich capitalists (mostly non-goy) who funded the Bolshies and came out on top after the “capitalist” USA fought on behalf of the Commie International.

    It’s a very important distinction, and Orwell wrote about it and I believe the Zionist chieftan, Max Nordau did as well.

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  43. H. L. says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Ronald Thomas West wrote: "Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…"

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Referenced above, the "October Surprise," I assume you refer to Ronald Reagan's running mate, George H.W. Bush's (clandestine) meeting with Iranian officials prior to the election where President Jimmy Carter was narrowly defeated by voila, DECEPTION. Eh?

    Oh man... that shit has to be the Mother of All examples of ZUS presidential election "rigging" since the satanic Dealey Plaza coup, Elm Street, Dallas.

    (Zigh). A tad exasperated, I have yet to learn how & why the CIA / Mossad ever allowed information on the treasonous H.W. Bush meeting in Paris go (to some extent) PUBLIC. (Zigh)Unless of course they wanted it that way -- unaccountably rub shit in dumb goyim-voter faces.

    Unless it's mentioned in his memoir, I do not know anything about Jimmy Carter having issued a complaint / expose of the crime! He must be dedicated to Christian "forgiveness because at all special presidential gatherings, Jimmy Carter & G.H.W. Bush mugs appear smiling together in MSM pictures.

    So I have a question for you, Mr. West.

    At the time, did the GOP, Jewish Lobbies, and major billionaire donors simply not give a damn about rigging a mere ZUSA election?

    Subsequently, who leaked the Paris meeting's information & to whom?

    Will appreciate your (anyone!) making reply, comment response. Thanks. R.T.W.!!!

    In the meantime, I like videos and below, M.E.K. is (to some degree) out in-the-Light, discussed on the Corbett Show.

    https://youtu.be/kxwYaKkDH6o

    P.S.:
    A Tower of Babel sky-reaching "thanks" to Phil Giraldi!

    Poor women, I’ve never seen a picture showing women who look so sad, so submitted, totally controlled by other people. A sect. So an Iranian revolution involves using totally submitted women in service of men? Strange.

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    H.L. opined: "Poor women, I’ve never seen a picture showing women who look so sad, so submitted, totally controlled by other people. A sect."

    Hi H.L.,

    Although Jesus Christ advised "to not judge by appearances," the gals featured on the Corbett Report video ain't no "Charlie's Angels."

    Had Hillary Clinton defeated President "Bonespur," we might be seeing submissive & sad American gals "Dressed for Success & Hillary 2020!"

    P.S. To Ronald Thomas West, later I plan to offer comment on your very impressive, thought provoking, & daring article posted at comment # 31. Wish others here will read it!
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  44. Frankie P says:
    @RobinG
    Are you saying that Shia and Sunni have different versions of Sharia? As in different laws, as opposed to different interpretations of the laws? Please expound.

    I strongly recommend this primer on Islam by Marguerite and Colonel Pat Lang. It is very informative, and I look forward to reading it again to let the broad information sink in. It seems that it was used to inform US military and intelligence personnel, though the good Colonel cursed them out for failing to take the work seriously and learn from it.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/who-are-muslims-what-do-they-believe-are-their-ideas-and-traditions-so-alien-there-cannot-be-reconciliation-between-them-an.html

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    Just came back from taraweeh and thought I’d pop in. I looked at the article Frankie recommended and it is quite accurate (in the 85-90% range as far as I’m concerned) which is hard to come by. Despite some of its slight mistakes and omissions, I would highly recommend anyone to give it a read. Concise and to the point; a fairly high-yield read.

    Peace.

    Note: Forgive me if I don’t respond to any replies for a while.
    , @Moi
    I take it there are no Muslim experts you'd recommend regarding Sharia....or maybe they just don't have the depth of mind of western "experts."
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  45. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @anoni
    THE MEK HAS NO SUPPORT in Iran. This terrorist organization like Al Qaeda, traitor KURDS, ISIS, to mention few, are supported by the main terrorist countries, US-Israel-MI6, and their petty colonies, the western intelligence services funded by terrorists Arab head of states in the region like Saudi Arabia, microscopic entity like Emirate.

    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/?p=8703

    Maryam Rajavi who run the terrorist organization MEK now, was married to another pimp by the name of Abrishamchi, where she secretly forced herself into Masoud Rajavi’s bedroom to become his mistress and soon after his wife where Masoud ordered Her husband to divorce her so they get married to make DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTION IN IRAN, a laughing stock indeed, for many years following this sexual affair between traitors. Their ‘democratic union’ did not last long, however, and soon Maryam became his pimp to force other women in the camp, in Iraq, to be prepared to SLEEP WITH MASOUD, the ‘rahbar’ to keep him active. This sexual criminality was exposed two years ago when few women from the camp were able to escape. US officials were aware of this criminalilty but they were so desperate to keep it hidden. Are the Jewish mafia and their dumb servants have ever told YOU? Of course no, because many of them are rapists themselves including the traitors at the black house.

    https://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2018/05/trump-controlled-by-mossad-part-iv.html

    So, that’s why you see this traitor, Maryam, goes from one impotent man to the another begging for supports. Only terrorists and impotent ‘men’ have given support to receive his/her $$$$$$$ funded by the Saudis.

    Criminals at work in Camp Liberty
    Massoud and Maryam Rajavi accused of sexual cruelty

    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/?p=91


    Now, there was an attempted assassination on MBS’ life more than a MONTH ago where he was wounded and had to stay in bed since. That was the reason BEHIND HIS DISAPPEARNCE OVER A MONTH, WHERE PUMPEO HAD TO TRAVEL UNEXPECTEDLY TO SAUDI ARABIA MAKE SURE HE IS ALIVE OR DEAD.

    The MEK HAS NO SUPPORT among Iranians. The MEK sympathizers are very small in Iran and abroad, and are CONSIDERED TRAITORS by majority of Iranian people, thus, whoever is supporting these traitors and terrorists, politically or economically, are look at as enemies of the Iranian people.

    Trump, is so illiterate and ignorant that aligning himself with Jewish Mafia and then reads their messages written by a members of Jewish mafia, like Miller, to Iranians expecting Iranian people follow his stupid messages.

    Iranians are laughing SO HARD at him, who on the one hand attacking Iranian government and telling Iranian people that he is their ‘savior’, and on the other hand, he is in bed with the Jewish Mafia , the enemy of Iranian people and the humanity at once. How dumb one can get and still expect result.

    http://www.balkanspost.com/media/images/2017-07/35670367005_01fc1b5522_k.jpg














    Masoud and Maryam rajavi are sexual assaulter like illiterate trump and HARVEY Weinstein



    http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Lieberman-Rajavi-terrorism.jpg

    Iranian women are beautiful and fashion-conscious: under burkas or hijab, and at home, they pay close attention to their appearance.

    In contrast Maryam is frumpy-dumpy.

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  46. @Hessler
    I was thinking just the same thing. What I've understood with my little knowledge about the Iranians is that the majority of them are neolibrals who don't want religion to govern their lives. Their values are western oriented. If any regime installs Capitalism/Sexism, you wouldn't see the resistance you would expect to see from a conservative muslim society. West knows this and this is why they believe that the regime change in the favor of western values will be successful in Iran. The Iranian version of Islamic ideology (Shiite) was hijacked from the days of Ummayd. Shiite's, unlike their sunni counterparts don't need to act in a rightous way as determined by the koran. They like the Christians, believe that they have a direct pass to paradise regardless of their deeds, so there's no obligation to the religion or it's constitution which current regime upholds. I've always assumed that these MEK's are just the more extreme version of that Iranian fraction.

    I am going tread carefully here. I am not sure it is possible for any Muslim state to operate without the Qu’ran as a major part of governance. However, I do think the intellectual class might be more likely to allow personal differences than the religious right now in power —-

    However, a case for US support regime change and ultimate invasion minus a state revolution — is a very tough case for me to support. This is a matter for the people of Iran to sort out. I am not inclined to let bygones be bygones on the embassy issue. As for the 1950′s coupe, that was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite and I suspect that some of the shah’s people and they are interested in the MEK position and Iran’s future. Muslims have long memories, it seems. Maybe that’s more about the people of this region –

    I am saying, it’s none of my business. For the most part. The Iranians I have known are fairly genial and I have had good to better than good relations with them.

    I am more interested in why the leadership of this country is undermining US citizens in favor of foreigners, that boosts the profits of a very small number as it undermines vasts swath of the US population’s ability and economic portability. I am concerned why we have not built a wall.

    And I remain thoroughly convinced though some say it is hyperbole that our southern neighbors are engaged in a war of attrition to widdle away at US sovereignty til it is meaningless. That is the war I am interested in.

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    "As for the 1950′s coupe, that was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite blahb, blah, blah"

    You lying POS.
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  47. Talha says:
    @Frankie P
    I strongly recommend this primer on Islam by Marguerite and Colonel Pat Lang. It is very informative, and I look forward to reading it again to let the broad information sink in. It seems that it was used to inform US military and intelligence personnel, though the good Colonel cursed them out for failing to take the work seriously and learn from it.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/who-are-muslims-what-do-they-believe-are-their-ideas-and-traditions-so-alien-there-cannot-be-reconciliation-between-them-an.html

    Just came back from taraweeh and thought I’d pop in. I looked at the article Frankie recommended and it is quite accurate (in the 85-90% range as far as I’m concerned) which is hard to come by. Despite some of its slight mistakes and omissions, I would highly recommend anyone to give it a read. Concise and to the point; a fairly high-yield read.

    Peace.

    Note: Forgive me if I don’t respond to any replies for a while.

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    Thank you for your comment, Tahla. Your vote of confidence on the Colonel's primer in my view makes it even more compelling, considering that English language background on Islam is so terribly twisted, mainly due to political agendas of the usual suspects. One reason I shared this primer is the fact that I was so often amazed when reading it by information that was completely new to me, an expat American, ex-Catholic (my folks say you never can really shake it, and I still embrace it gently on my own terms) searcher for truth. From the very start we receive information that was never presented through usual channels of information; it's almost as if Islam, its roots and basic teachings have been deliberately withheld or manipulated in order to prevent people from seeing it as a religion worthy of serious consideration, and indeed, an extension and end point of the Abrahamic faiths.

    Surprising to me:
    1) the angel Gabriel facilitated Muhammad's reception of maxims, the Quran
    2) the way the Colonel describes the Muslim view of Christians and the New Testament (Christians misunderstood the New Testament, distorting it in a way to make them believe that Jesus was one element of a triune God. (I have my views on this, but I will not share them now, as it's not my goal.))
    3) the idea of the "Aryan heresy". Some Christian church fathers didn't view Islam as a new religion, rather a Christian heresy.
    4) the significant influence of the intellectual cultures of the Hellenistic world and Zoroastrian Persia. This makes perfect sense, as these much older, more established cultures had great intellectual and mystical traditions, and it's natural that they would influence the faith as it was established in their lands.

    These are a few points that I found illuminating from just the first two pages of the primer. I heartily recommend it to English speakers who want a better understanding of Islam. I'm also interested in the 10 -15% that you, Tahla, might find inaccurate or questionable, but I realize that you're busy with something and not replying. In time, my friend.

    Peace
    Frankie P
    , @RobinG
    Hi Uncle T,

    Like Frankie, I hope you'll post your 10-15% disagreement at some point.

    Do you think most Muslims are aware of the distinctions that Lang outlined? I know Egyptians who say they are just Muslim and don't identify with any sect. Isn't this the difference between a religious scholar and the average adherent?

    By comparison, I was brought up as a Christian, but never dwelled on the distinctions between our church and other Protestant denominations (kind of a PC, dissembling term for sect, eh?), or Catholics, or even Mormons (a heresy to some). Of course, my parents weren't raging bigots or lunatics, lol.
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  48. @H. L.
    Poor women, I've never seen a picture showing women who look so sad, so submitted, totally controlled by other people. A sect. So an Iranian revolution involves using totally submitted women in service of men? Strange.

    H.L. opined: “Poor women, I’ve never seen a picture showing women who look so sad, so submitted, totally controlled by other people. A sect.”

    Hi H.L.,

    Although Jesus Christ advised “to not judge by appearances,” the gals featured on the Corbett Report video ain’t no “Charlie’s Angels.”

    Had Hillary Clinton defeated President “Bonespur,” we might be seeing submissive & sad American gals “Dressed for Success & Hillary 2020!”

    P.S. To Ronald Thomas West, later I plan to offer comment on your very impressive, thought provoking, & daring article posted at comment # 31. Wish others here will read it!

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  49. Robjil says:

    Adam Garrie and Nedka talk about this MEK in Albania. I thought it was so bizarre when I heard them talk about this group. Iranians in Albania? Albania is a ZUS vassal state, so I guess anything goes. Albania and Kosovars entertained Al-Qaeda for ZUS for decades. So it isn’t so bizarre after all.

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  50. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    [There is no post revolutionary iran.]

    Who are you that giving me this nonsense. Your words smells Zionists and their slaves.
    This simply means: after the revolution MEK killed many people, including the time they were in Iraq with Saddam, YOUR BUDDY, to topple Iranian government, where YOU and your extensions, the criminal West, Russia, the puppet and terrorist Arab head of states, all WERE DEFEATED. But you never learn until you are totally destroyed. Thus it is important to get that so we can save humanity and bring peace. Until then we should be UNITED AGAINST THE EVIL EMPIRE AND CRIMINAL JEWISH MAFIA, to bring peace.

    [Clearly, I am applauding celibacy and those ladies who so practice.]

    Are you a western ‘feminist’ female like Hillary? No matter how that ‘feminist’ is criminal and mass murderer, still is a pussy. I do not believe in pussy politics.
    You even did not bother to watch the video and read the stories of these women who were RAPED, with Maryam assistant, THAY YOU SUPPORT, to see that MEK is not only a terrorist organization and have killed thousands of Iranian and non-Iranians for YOUR LUST FOR POWER, but also SEXUAL ABUSER that US/Israel are supporting for their ‘regime change’ where goes nowhere expect hell that they deserve. Your own terrorist officials knew about sexual rapes and also knew these women want to escape, but if any of these women told YOUR terrorist officials, they would report it to their slave, Masoud Rajavi, MEK, to take action against these women. You should be ashamed of yourself not to belittle their criminal actions. YOU ARE CRIMINAL S THAT SHOULD BE EXPOSED ALL OVER THE WORLD.
    We have seen it all in Iraq, abu gharib, aren’t we?????

    The rape in Abu gharib was conducted according to lust for power to bring a nation under control, loot their resources, looting their museums and library that now are sitting IN YOUR MUSIUMS where dummies go and see with no opposition. You are that dumb and criminals.
    [It is my understanding that the MEK desires to govern Iran. Their intentions is to provide greater autonomy from the religious right, ideas born out of their academic leanings. I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists. I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk – that is their business.]
    You write like an ignorant person, or playing it dumb. In the past I was wondered if for example CHARLIE ROSE is dumb or playing it dumb. Or if Lydon is dumb or playing it dumb, because these pseudo intellectuals were seen by many. You know what. I found them both DUMB and in the service of the terrorist state, US.

    [I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists.
    What a dumb words!!!

    [I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk – that is their business.]
    SUCH A LIE. You are inciting chaos and destabilization using Your terrorists, MEK, Al Qaeda, ISIS. What are you doing in the region? Have dummies ever ask this simple question?

    [But if the MEK is willing to take that risk – that is their business.]
    Whom do you think you are? Iran had revolution in 1978, how old are you??? That was a popular revolution unmatched with your ‘color revolution’ that is taking place in countries with your dumb NGOs. Furthermore what this means? ‘MEK is willing…’
    Who is MEK that DARES to say ‘willing..’. They are not even 2000 terrorists that CIA/Mossad trained ALL OVER THE WORLD. Do the dummies know that Iran has a population over 85 million??? They are not listing to their enemies, US, Saudis or dumb Jewish mafia headed by trump. That’s why you the criminals push SANCTIONS TO KILL PEOPLE SO THEY come under your fucking rule. I am telling you now that will NEVER HAPPEN.
    This is strictly Iranian people’s BUSINESS. Whom do you think you are that your illiterate president read a message written by a Zionist illiterate SHILL, like Miller, to insult Iranian people? They are telling the criminal Zionists and imperialists GO TO HELL.

    You should learn to respect other people civilization and way of life. We are not interested in hoax neoliberal economy led by the criminals and rapists who have created 1% parasites against 99% poor people. We are not interested in the “world government”, a Zionist project. It SHOULD BE DESTROYED.
    Instead, you MUST act now to change your own miserable situation where Jeff Flake told Americans at Harvard University just past week, that AMERICA HIT THE BOTTOM. US CANNOT GO LOWER.
    Your situation is very bleak and NEEDS REGIME CHANGE, NOW.

    http://time.com/5289380/jeff-flake-harvard-commencement-address-president-trump/

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    i missed these comments, excuse the delay.


    Now you might have wanted to ask me a question about what I meant -----

    --- the islamic revolution is not a singular event, it is a movement, a process and that process did not cease when the the power was shifted or seized by the clerics.

    i have no definitive answer point of view whether Pres Hussein's efforts to rebut said spread of the revolution was effective or not. He thought so. he thought enough of it to expect Kuwait to chip in for the price. As far as i am concerned, that is a dispute between the parties involved.

    Let's be clear, I opposed any move against iraq. i opposed an invasion of Afghanistan as unnecessary to the task and strategically untenable. So I have not a clue what you are on about concerning zionism -- as i have stated my view on the matter regularly and consistently. I am not a fan of iran. But I have not found any cause to invade them, though I am not as convinced as many other of their regional benevolence. Again, that is largely a issue for those in the region ro resolve and have stated as much.

    Dumb though they may be -- I don't have any supporting data to make that conclusion. It's a leap to infer that "high context" cultures are by definition marxists, i prefer to be more circumspect. As in my habit, I am careful to name call merely as pejorative. But your accusation is without merit. I have made no encouraging remarks for regime change.

    I am unclear why you use the term you -- the only entities that would be anyway connected to me -- would be those of the US and i paid a heavy price for opposing invasion in the region -- more than you will ever know, perhaps even larger than i will know. But I would oppose it nonetheless -- unwise.

    It is my understanding that the MEK are iranians. And it is also clear that during the revolution they were integral in advancing change. it was the student population that did a lot of the heavy lifting. It is my understanding that in the struggle for governance the youth and the educational elite lost out to the clerics. Over time the clerics, and the academics eventually had a falling out and the those most disgruntled were - are now referred to as the MEK. Their goal as i understand is to gain power because they believe their leadership is better suited for a prosperous and liberty encouraging environment. Again, that is their business. I have stated my position on any further regime change escapades. I am going to eschew responding to the unsupported accusations, save to say they are false to a one. But we do agree that this matter is iranian business.

    We also agree that sovereignty matters. And that sovereignty should be respected. I am more concerned about the sovereignty of the US than anyone else's at the moment, unless they are a "clear and present danger" (i think i just dated myself) to the US or our allies. I do not consider Iran such a threat.

    As for the comments by Sen Flake. i have only this to say, i am more interested in the rule of law here in the US and that as applied to our borders that allows foreigners to undermine US citizens, and i care not a twiddle about the color of their skin, how compliant and hard working they are.
    __________________________________

    i don't think you have any idea who feminists are or who Sec Clinton is. Celibacy is no more their cup of tea than it is for Pres Trump or the president prior. Nothing in my comments supports rape in any manner. you are just off to the races. Not a single comment i made supports any criminal activity in any way. Abu grahib will be a blight on the system of US system of military justice for a very long time. i suspect that these are the tactic developed by the lead intel officer at Guantonomo which reflected the practices of Israeli interrogation techniques -- tragic in every way. i am sure the men and women who were actually responsible escaped review.

    _________

    Look you took a simple comment and went of the rails in applying it in very unsavory content -- clearly for which it was not intended.

    when responded to those misapplications -- you seem yo have doubled down on your suspicions -- incorrect on multiple levels. You have, in my view mistaken my detachment for something else.
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  51. @Ronald Thomas West
    ps, my take on Ben Menashe's "Profits of War"

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    ^

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Fascinating is your review of Menashe’s “Profits of War.”

    As incompetent with “copy & paste” action, and while at Allentown’s Da Vinci Center, I will kop-out & selfishly cut-to-the-bone, expose my “take.”

    1. Since the killing of JFK, I see elite US Zionist Jews as having great influence upon presidential elections.

    2. As the Iranian hostage crisis dragged on, with great MSM & subsequent public pressure upon President Jimmy Carter to do something, he tried with futility what became known as “The Debacle in the Desert.”
    (For me, I have some admiration for PreZIdent Carter for his restraint & not launching an awful bombing attack upon Teheran and gain VOTES)

    (Zigh)

    3. I intuit Carter was too genuinely committed to the rather practical Camp David Peace agreement and the long-range Israeli “Greater Israel” plan required America to have the tough conservative (?) talking Ronald Reagan as president.

    4. With the Carter administration history, the Zio-Republicans were in a great position to allow the survival of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and such temporary distortion came with the huge Zionist “bonus” of having a nine (9) year savage war between Iraq and Iran. Of course, ZUS helped each side!

    (Zigh)

    I have an inexplicable sense that Ben Menashe’s experienced-recording of what he knew was taboo for general dumb goyim knowledge, but having all of it appear availably in print did not ruffle anyone in Tel Aviv, London, & D.C.

    Regret I dodged the meat in your valuable article, R.T.of the Wild West.!

    P.S. We are fucked to a point where the top of our government can do shit like below, and come out smelling like a Cleome hasslerana.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/05/29/563309/US-goes-to-Security-Council-to-defend-innocent-Israeli-civilians

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    Well, it's good you appreciated the article on Menashe ... but back on topic I'd really like it if people read my article on MeK. I'd interviewed MeK people personally and went to considerable length to develop their story and it's not pretty. Some of what I'd written overlaps Phil's article (the creep Giuliani is to be found wherever neocon world class crimes are perpetrated) but includes the human elements and a bit different angle on their history. At the time my piece had been written (2013) only 250 MeK rank and file had been evacuated from Iraq to Albania. That larger rank and file have been hostage to the USA and Israel but most of all hostage to the narcissism of its leadership.

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/28/the-mojahedin-e-khalq/

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  52. anonymous[485] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    There is no post revolutionary iran. the islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not singularly momentary and over.

    And it is accurate that during the revolution a lot of blood was spilled by several different entities.


    Clearly, I am applauding celibacy and those ladies who so practice. Prudence in military action, need not dismiss qualities of virtue --- i am unclear what it is that has you so twisting in the wind and misplacing my comments to read out of their specific and intended meaning. The constant misappropriation of another's arguments has really become a skill by so many of you. it's a rather strange practice.

    But to your commentary.

    That's all very interesting, but it's bearing on my comments is nil.


    It is my understanding that the MEK desires to govern iran. Their intentions is to provide greater autonomy from the religious right, ideas born out of their academic leanings. I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists. I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk - that is their business. Here's to a more peaceable route, but those are choices made by those seeking leadership.


    Our founders were certainly viewed as terrorists no doubt.

    One need not search among the women of the mek to find women devoid of emotional attachment. The list of detached narcissistic women are plenty here on our shores. They are murdering their children in the womb and bragging about it - to the near beat of of 1 million a year. . They are flaunting all manner of behaviors with each other men, and other asundary beasts. They too want power, money, position and leadership - save they are not so willing to pay that price and more inclined that men do the heavy lifting for them --

    So while i may not subscribe to their violent desire for revolution --- i am willing to give them a nod, for bravery. give me a woman willing to fight for me
    to the death

    and I am all hers . . .

    Let's see where was I . . . oh

    applauding their celibacy.

    “The Islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not momentary and over.”

    What is the basis, in hard, cold evidence, that “Islam desires to evangelize the planet?”


    You tipped your hand recently, ECi — you are obsessed w/ sex and sexually frustrated,

    You shoot off uninformed opinions the same way and from same deficits as the kid in Texas, but with even more deadly-dangerous consequences.

    Religion– Catholicism — holds that lying, or engagi g in less than honest speech that could cause harm is grievously sinful, it’s effects far more destructive than failing to remain “celibate” I e narcissicistically sterile.

    Stop spouting off about Islam and Iran when you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about.

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    You are of course kidding. every muslim desires for all to come to the truth -- it's a tenet of faith. The question for such practice is whether said desires will be by force or buy the consent of the offered. If you know a muslim who does desire that you the truth and come to it by way Islam as the best means -- you have not met a muslim.


    I have no idea what you are talking about. I always applaud celibacy -- and I always support it. Kids in Texas -- I have no clue what you are on about. If you are talking about the incels(?) I think my position is very clear. Based on their self definition: not a fan of wikipedia but:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

    While it is a form of celibacy -- it does represent the understanding of celibacy.

    1. by choice or
    2. lacking the ability by biology or rarer still --
    3. no desire at all

    It is not merely the inability because one can't find a partner. The incels are making a claim that they would have relations if they could find someone to have them with. But from a scriptural perspective that is an incomplete understanding or misrepresentation. the celibate person chooses so because they are not married and will not so engage until they get married regardless of the opportunities that may come their way in the mean time. Circumstance and happenstance are not the same.

    I think i used the example of the thief. Suppose a thief who wanted to steal but simply could not find any available targets. He comes to you and says, i am not longer a thief because i couldn't find anyone to steal from, when I checked all the doors were locked. It may be great that locked doors prevent one from stealing -- but that doesn't make one no longer a thief.

    Now if that is the issue, then i stand where i came in. However, I suspect that the other matter is my tone, which had more to to do with the article itself than the incel admonitions. On that I would agree that i could have been less stringent in my comments and more respectful that people are celibate for a variety of reasons and such celibacy, even if not withing the frame I observe should be honored. I would agree that I could have been more accommodating/understanding.

    My hand is the same as it always has been --- very traditional views on male female relations


    As for dishonest speech --- you'll have to be specific. I may err on some data - but being untruthful -- not my practice.


    I don't produce the articles I respond to them.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I gave know and have good relationships with muslims, I have never known a one who didn't invite to become a muslim and leave my nice, but mistaken beliefs in christianity. I have had wonderful conversations and learned a good deal. I have several Qu'rans given me as gifts, I think it was understood that such a gift is an honor and so I am.


    But I am also a tad concerned. everyone of these delightful people have made a point to correct me numerous times concerning how to reference the prophet/teacher mohammed. The persistent correction to call him the "honorable". this is a very peculiar insistence and one i am not inclined to embrace, anymore than i embrace any suggestion that we create laws that make criticizing another's faith illegal or laws that offending jews by challenging the holocaust or criticizing israel should be outlawed.


    Not because i hate either identity on face value, but because i embrace the idea of freedom of thought and expression.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    The apostle's refer to what I have as a "burning desire". It is normal. it is an attribute of being a human being.


    And despite the troubles of the world, it is my desire to have a mate and if i am very very fortunate, still -- have a child that will catty my name and blood forward --


    Along with other normal life issues -- I think there not being fulfilled will be a tad frustrating --


    I am not particularly attractive. definitely on the outs financially. And I have a very low IQ, admittedly. but i remain hopeful, that somewhere there's a woman blind enough to see past all of my faults.
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  53. Sparkon says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Ronald Thomas West wrote: "Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…"

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Referenced above, the "October Surprise," I assume you refer to Ronald Reagan's running mate, George H.W. Bush's (clandestine) meeting with Iranian officials prior to the election where President Jimmy Carter was narrowly defeated by voila, DECEPTION. Eh?

    Oh man... that shit has to be the Mother of All examples of ZUS presidential election "rigging" since the satanic Dealey Plaza coup, Elm Street, Dallas.

    (Zigh). A tad exasperated, I have yet to learn how & why the CIA / Mossad ever allowed information on the treasonous H.W. Bush meeting in Paris go (to some extent) PUBLIC. (Zigh)Unless of course they wanted it that way -- unaccountably rub shit in dumb goyim-voter faces.

    Unless it's mentioned in his memoir, I do not know anything about Jimmy Carter having issued a complaint / expose of the crime! He must be dedicated to Christian "forgiveness because at all special presidential gatherings, Jimmy Carter & G.H.W. Bush mugs appear smiling together in MSM pictures.

    So I have a question for you, Mr. West.

    At the time, did the GOP, Jewish Lobbies, and major billionaire donors simply not give a damn about rigging a mere ZUSA election?

    Subsequently, who leaked the Paris meeting's information & to whom?

    Will appreciate your (anyone!) making reply, comment response. Thanks. R.T.W.!!!

    In the meantime, I like videos and below, M.E.K. is (to some degree) out in-the-Light, discussed on the Corbett Show.

    https://youtu.be/kxwYaKkDH6o

    P.S.:
    A Tower of Babel sky-reaching "thanks" to Phil Giraldi!

    You may remember previous comments at UR about this meeting, starting with SolontoCroesus’s very informative post back in March 2017:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-russian-peace-scare-averted-but-what-about-iran/#comment-1798574

    The long and short of it is that private citizen George H.W. Bush was not alone when he visited Teheran in 1978, but rather was accompanied by two additional private citizens, one each from the United States and Great Britain: Ronald Wilson Reagan, and Margaret Hilda Thatcher, neither of whom held any official governmental position at the time, nor did Bush himself, after being replaced (fired) as DCI in 1977 by President James “Jimmy” Earl Carter Jr. Additionally Carter subsequently fired 700 CIA covert operatives, an operation that may not have gone over well with the “cowboys” at CIA.

    Mansoor produced a confidential document called the “Country Team Minutes” of April 26, 1978, more than a year before the hostage crisis. The meeting was held in Iran. The second paragraph of the routine minutes, states,

    “The Ambassador commented on our distinguished visitors, Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Margaret Thatcher, and commented that Teheran seems to be the site for an opposition parties congress.”

    http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/1earth2.html

    I don’t know about the U.K., but in the United States, the Logan Act prohibits private citizens from negotiating with a foreign government, or meddling in foreign affairs.

    Certainly, everyone should know by now that U.S. laws apply only to the common folk, and not to the elite, untouchable oligarchs who rule us, nor to their dimwitted front men. If the kingpins want to fix an election, by George, that’s what they’re going to do.

    In fact, it’s a done deal already several times over.

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    Sparkon wisely noted: "I don’t know about the U.K., but in the United States, the Logan Act prohibits private citizens from negotiating with a foreign government, or meddling in foreign affairs."

    Thanks for engaging this very important topic.

    At present, am very disappointed by the Iranian Islamic Republic's "team's" evident lack of integrity as evidenced with whom they entered into 1978 negotiations.
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  54. Hessler says:
    @Anon
    MEK is communist which means anti capitalist. Anti religion and pro women’s rights

    All the useful idiot communists and liberals who helped overthrow the Shah were destroyed or fled to other countries to save their lives shortly after the Shah left

    The revolution was anti women’s rights severely religious conformity and pro dog eat dog capitalism. A big incentive for business owners to join the revolution was that the Shahs-government collected taxes or planned to

    Horrors!!!!

    What did the useful idiot liberals expect?

    Useful idiot intellectuals & liberals are the same the world over.

    >The revolution was anti women’s rights

    That depends on the cultural definition/interpretation of what women’s rights are. To put it correctly, it was anti-sexism.

    Not allowing people on the rampage of adultery hardly constitutes their rights. Well ofcourse you’re merely an animal that’s the only thing you live and die for.

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  55. @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Fascinating is your review of Menashe's "Profits of War."

    As incompetent with "copy & paste" action, and while at Allentown's Da Vinci Center, I will kop-out & selfishly cut-to-the-bone, expose my "take."

    1. Since the killing of JFK, I see elite US Zionist Jews as having great influence upon presidential elections.

    2. As the Iranian hostage crisis dragged on, with great MSM & subsequent public pressure upon President Jimmy Carter to do something, he tried with futility what became known as "The Debacle in the Desert."
    (For me, I have some admiration for PreZIdent Carter for his restraint & not launching an awful bombing attack upon Teheran and gain VOTES)

    (Zigh)

    3. I intuit Carter was too genuinely committed to the rather practical Camp David Peace agreement and the long-range Israeli "Greater Israel" plan required America to have the tough conservative (?) talking Ronald Reagan as president.

    4. With the Carter administration history, the Zio-Republicans were in a great position to allow the survival of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and such temporary distortion came with the huge Zionist "bonus" of having a nine (9) year savage war between Iraq and Iran. Of course, ZUS helped each side!

    (Zigh)

    I have an inexplicable sense that Ben Menashe's experienced-recording of what he knew was taboo for general dumb goyim knowledge, but having all of it appear availably in print did not ruffle anyone in Tel Aviv, London, & D.C.

    Regret I dodged the meat in your valuable article, R.T.of the Wild West.!

    P.S. We are fucked to a point where the top of our government can do shit like below, and come out smelling like a Cleome hasslerana.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/05/29/563309/US-goes-to-Security-Council-to-defend-innocent-Israeli-civilians

    Well, it’s good you appreciated the article on Menashe … but back on topic I’d really like it if people read my article on MeK. I’d interviewed MeK people personally and went to considerable length to develop their story and it’s not pretty. Some of what I’d written overlaps Phil’s article (the creep Giuliani is to be found wherever neocon world class crimes are perpetrated) but includes the human elements and a bit different angle on their history. At the time my piece had been written (2013) only 250 MeK rank and file had been evacuated from Iraq to Albania. That larger rank and file have been hostage to the USA and Israel but most of all hostage to the narcissism of its leadership.

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/28/the-mojahedin-e-khalq/

    ^

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    Ronald Thomas West commented: "the creep Giuliani is to be found wherever neocon world class crimes are perpetrated) but includes the human elements and a bit different angle on their history."

    Hi R.T.W.,

    Agreed on Rudy G. as a top ranked (Roman Catholic) "creep."

    There is another less well-known "creep" to the dumb goyim who might have well served as another "world class creep" in your writing.

    Remember Marc Rich, the high-rolling jailbird pardoned by POT(Z)USA "Slick Willie" Clinton? He's the Jew who brokered oil & weapons to Israel's "existential" enemy, Iran. Refer below WSJ column's "different angle" on Rich?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB982885815892990443

    Thanks, R.T.W.!
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  56. @Sparkon
    You may remember previous comments at UR about this meeting, starting with SolontoCroesus's very informative post back in March 2017:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-russian-peace-scare-averted-but-what-about-iran/#comment-1798574

    The long and short of it is that private citizen George H.W. Bush was not alone when he visited Teheran in 1978, but rather was accompanied by two additional private citizens, one each from the United States and Great Britain: Ronald Wilson Reagan, and Margaret Hilda Thatcher, neither of whom held any official governmental position at the time, nor did Bush himself, after being replaced (fired) as DCI in 1977 by President James "Jimmy" Earl Carter Jr. Additionally Carter subsequently fired 700 CIA covert operatives, an operation that may not have gone over well with the "cowboys" at CIA.


    Mansoor produced a confidential document called the "Country Team Minutes" of April 26, 1978, more than a year before the hostage crisis. The meeting was held in Iran. The second paragraph of the routine minutes, states,

    "The Ambassador commented on our distinguished visitors, Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Margaret Thatcher, and commented that Teheran seems to be the site for an opposition parties congress."
     

     
    http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/1earth2.html

    I don't know about the U.K., but in the United States, the Logan Act prohibits private citizens from negotiating with a foreign government, or meddling in foreign affairs.

    Certainly, everyone should know by now that U.S. laws apply only to the common folk, and not to the elite, untouchable oligarchs who rule us, nor to their dimwitted front men. If the kingpins want to fix an election, by George, that's what they're going to do.

    In fact, it's a done deal already several times over.

    Sparkon wisely noted: “I don’t know about the U.K., but in the United States, the Logan Act prohibits private citizens from negotiating with a foreign government, or meddling in foreign affairs.”

    Thanks for engaging this very important topic.

    At present, am very disappointed by the Iranian Islamic Republic’s “team’s” evident lack of integrity as evidenced with whom they entered into 1978 negotiations.

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  57. @anonymous
    "The Islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not momentary and over."

    What is the basis, in hard, cold evidence, that "Islam desires to evangelize the planet?"

    ---
    You tipped your hand recently, ECi -- you are obsessed w/ sex and sexually frustrated,

    You shoot off uninformed opinions the same way and from same deficits as the kid in Texas, but with even more deadly-dangerous consequences.

    Religion-- Catholicism -- holds that lying, or engagi g in less than honest speech that could cause harm is grievously sinful, it's effects far more destructive than failing to remain "celibate" I e narcissicistically sterile.

    Stop spouting off about Islam and Iran when you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

    You are of course kidding. every muslim desires for all to come to the truth — it’s a tenet of faith. The question for such practice is whether said desires will be by force or buy the consent of the offered. If you know a muslim who does desire that you the truth and come to it by way Islam as the best means — you have not met a muslim.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. I always applaud celibacy — and I always support it. Kids in Texas — I have no clue what you are on about. If you are talking about the incels(?) I think my position is very clear. Based on their self definition: not a fan of wikipedia but:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

    While it is a form of celibacy — it does represent the understanding of celibacy.

    1. by choice or
    2. lacking the ability by biology or rarer still —
    3. no desire at all

    It is not merely the inability because one can’t find a partner. The incels are making a claim that they would have relations if they could find someone to have them with. But from a scriptural perspective that is an incomplete understanding or misrepresentation. the celibate person chooses so because they are not married and will not so engage until they get married regardless of the opportunities that may come their way in the mean time. Circumstance and happenstance are not the same.

    I think i used the example of the thief. Suppose a thief who wanted to steal but simply could not find any available targets. He comes to you and says, i am not longer a thief because i couldn’t find anyone to steal from, when I checked all the doors were locked. It may be great that locked doors prevent one from stealing — but that doesn’t make one no longer a thief.

    Now if that is the issue, then i stand where i came in. However, I suspect that the other matter is my tone, which had more to to do with the article itself than the incel admonitions. On that I would agree that i could have been less stringent in my comments and more respectful that people are celibate for a variety of reasons and such celibacy, even if not withing the frame I observe should be honored. I would agree that I could have been more accommodating/understanding.

    My hand is the same as it always has been — very traditional views on male female relations

    As for dishonest speech — you’ll have to be specific. I may err on some data – but being untruthful — not my practice.

    I don’t produce the articles I respond to them.

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    If you're blaming muslims for wanting everyone to come to the truth, you should look at the expansion of the western civilization. That magical word "our values" you could hear at the end of declaration of every war by every US president. The concepts of Capitalism and Sexism draped under the guise of "Freedom & Democracy" enforced all round the world by the crminial instruments of war, debt and sanctions often against the free will of the target nation(s).

    If you know how the civilizations work, western civilization will fall and will be replaced by the civilization forged on the basis of faith not scientific knowledge. Ring any bells ?

    No matter what anyone likes/dislikes, we the humans are genetically programmed to unite under one banner. And that will be comprised of Anti-Captalistic, Anti-Sexist values. Minoans were also damn sure like us if not more that nothing could bring down the socio-political systems they have created. We all know how that ended.

    "And the satan lured them (Adam & Eve) into eating the forbidden fruit. He said if you eat from the forbidden tree your existance shell be eternal (sexism) and you shell gain the reign of gold who's glitter shell never fade (capitalism)"--from Koran

    "Fake are the promises of satan, only god's promise (of judgement) is true"--from Koran

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  58. @anonymous
    "The Islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not momentary and over."

    What is the basis, in hard, cold evidence, that "Islam desires to evangelize the planet?"

    ---
    You tipped your hand recently, ECi -- you are obsessed w/ sex and sexually frustrated,

    You shoot off uninformed opinions the same way and from same deficits as the kid in Texas, but with even more deadly-dangerous consequences.

    Religion-- Catholicism -- holds that lying, or engagi g in less than honest speech that could cause harm is grievously sinful, it's effects far more destructive than failing to remain "celibate" I e narcissicistically sterile.

    Stop spouting off about Islam and Iran when you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

    I gave know and have good relationships with muslims, I have never known a one who didn’t invite to become a muslim and leave my nice, but mistaken beliefs in christianity. I have had wonderful conversations and learned a good deal. I have several Qu’rans given me as gifts, I think it was understood that such a gift is an honor and so I am.

    But I am also a tad concerned. everyone of these delightful people have made a point to correct me numerous times concerning how to reference the prophet/teacher mohammed. The persistent correction to call him the “honorable”. this is a very peculiar insistence and one i am not inclined to embrace, anymore than i embrace any suggestion that we create laws that make criticizing another’s faith illegal or laws that offending jews by challenging the holocaust or criticizing israel should be outlawed.

    Not because i hate either identity on face value, but because i embrace the idea of freedom of thought and expression.

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  59. @anonymous
    "The Islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not momentary and over."

    What is the basis, in hard, cold evidence, that "Islam desires to evangelize the planet?"

    ---
    You tipped your hand recently, ECi -- you are obsessed w/ sex and sexually frustrated,

    You shoot off uninformed opinions the same way and from same deficits as the kid in Texas, but with even more deadly-dangerous consequences.

    Religion-- Catholicism -- holds that lying, or engagi g in less than honest speech that could cause harm is grievously sinful, it's effects far more destructive than failing to remain "celibate" I e narcissicistically sterile.

    Stop spouting off about Islam and Iran when you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

    The apostle’s refer to what I have as a “burning desire”. It is normal. it is an attribute of being a human being.

    And despite the troubles of the world, it is my desire to have a mate and if i am very very fortunate, still — have a child that will catty my name and blood forward –

    Along with other normal life issues — I think there not being fulfilled will be a tad frustrating —

    I am not particularly attractive. definitely on the outs financially. And I have a very low IQ, admittedly. but i remain hopeful, that somewhere there’s a woman blind enough to see past all of my faults.

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  60. chris says:
    @Taras77
    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge "good behavior," or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.

    This is the clearest sign of an upcoming false-flag operation. Remember that every peaceful comment about Syria was always followed by a false-flag operation.

    If the comment out of DC is reasonable, then it’s a ploy; just likely the Soviets used to do; it stands to reason, it’s the same tribe at work.

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  61. Hessler says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I remain as ever a tad suspicious of Iran and their ambitions -- I don't think for a minute the Islamic revolution is over.


    However, I Iran is not a threat to the US nor Israel for that matter and as she has been keeping her end of the deal --- it appears the one's in default is the US.


    Given the our invasions and by the admissions of Dr. Giraldi and others, I don't think we can be sure who is at play with the MEK. I have no doubt that there are multiple parties interested in ruling iran or whatever state they can get their hands on.

    I have to take no view of n whether they are communists -- I have no supporting data on that.

    http://mek-iran.com/about-us/

    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/peoples_muhajedin_of_iran_mek/

    https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/35-years-ago-an-iranian-revolution-thanks-to-jimmy-carter

    i have to shift my views here. but on the data -- the MEK is likely to lead a strict islamic state, based on their academic history and disagreements with the clerics and the Ayatollah. However, I think that is best done via the political process.


    I do appreciate their vow of celibacy -- that's a huge plus -- but not a basis for an entire polity of governance.


    my applause ladies.

    Islam has no celibacy. Koran recommands it’s readers/followers to get married to the spouse of their choice and fulfill their sexual needs but in a controlled manner. Although one can choose celibacy and still be inline with the constitution but it’s not recommend by the koran.

    The case that you made for the chastity of the Iranian women based on their religion is entirely baseless.

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    First let's stay on topic


    my comments were directed toward the women recruits in the MEK. now the reason I made that comment is because i watched a documentary about the women recruits in the MEK and that was a requirement.

    Second,


    while celibacy is not a required practice amon Muslims, and i have had these conversations -- it is encouraged.


    Third,

    at no time did i argue that celibacy was a fundamental requirement or practice among muslims. Because they don't jesus in the same way -- the concept of fidelity or chastity before marriage would for many to be 'unreasoned restraint', my term, not one derived from any muslim.

    Fourth,


    it would be an error to claim that i made a case for islamic celibacy ---- i did not. i do not. i never have.

    Note: the below refelct what I understand of the ilam and celibacy -- in general -- but each groups has their view.

    https://www.lamppostproductions.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Marriage-Celibacy-in-Islam1.pdf

    https://www.islamawareness.net/Sex/celibacy.html

    , @EliteCommInc.
    The real issue is whether the US ought to be engaged in supporting regime change in Iran when essentially Iran is no threat to the US.

    And while I am not sold entirely on Iranian benevolence in the region, I am not convinced that further regime change is an answer to the vacuum we have created in the region anymore than tagging an aside comment i made has any value in manufacturing issues with me ---

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  62. @Hessler
    Islam has no celibacy. Koran recommands it's readers/followers to get married to the spouse of their choice and fulfill their sexual needs but in a controlled manner. Although one can choose celibacy and still be inline with the constitution but it's not recommend by the koran.

    The case that you made for the chastity of the Iranian women based on their religion is entirely baseless.

    First let’s stay on topic

    my comments were directed toward the women recruits in the MEK. now the reason I made that comment is because i watched a documentary about the women recruits in the MEK and that was a requirement.

    Second,

    while celibacy is not a required practice amon Muslims, and i have had these conversations — it is encouraged.

    Third,

    at no time did i argue that celibacy was a fundamental requirement or practice among muslims. Because they don’t jesus in the same way — the concept of fidelity or chastity before marriage would for many to be ‘unreasoned restraint’, my term, not one derived from any muslim.

    Fourth,

    it would be an error to claim that i made a case for islamic celibacy —- i did not. i do not. i never have.

    Note: the below refelct what I understand of the ilam and celibacy — in general — but each groups has their view.

    https://www.lamppostproductions.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Marriage-Celibacy-in-Islam1.pdf

    https://www.islamawareness.net/Sex/celibacy.html

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    EliteComminc proclaimed: "it would be an error to claim that i made a case for islamic celibacy —- i did not. i do not. i never have."

    I interrupt this comment-thread's carnal tendency to make a special announcement:
    The title of P.G.'s article is "MEK money sure can't buy love."

    Hi EliteComminc,

    Uh..., Islamic celibacy? Were you living in West Virginia hillbilly-heaven when Muslims did 9/11?

    (Zigh)

    The George W. Bush administration Neoconservatives and Jewish Corporate Media made sure all dumb goyim were aware about the 19 deranged-Moslems getting rewarded with 72 virgins after they crashed hijacked passenger airplanes into two W.T.C. Towers.

    Maybe you meant balsamic celibacy?

    Thank you.
    , @Hessler
    First,

    If anyone misunderstood anything, we clear it up. Apart from you and me, other people read this board too and form their opinions and if you've made an allegation, it deserves a response.

    Second,

    Celibacy is NOT encouraged, neither in muslim societies nor by the koran.

    "And do not forbid yourselves of the things God has allowed for you."--from Koran

    "I (God) injected the compassion and generocity in the hearts of the Christians, they made it a compulsion for themselves to not get married althought it was never forbidden for them to do so, then they couldn't keep patience and went astray on the wrong paths"-- from Koran

    "Your wives are like garments for you and you are for them"--from Koran

    So you understand the Koranic argument. It's encouraged to get married and fulfill you sexual needs.

    Third,

    I apologise, I misunderstood you.
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  63. Frankie P says:
    @Talha
    Just came back from taraweeh and thought I’d pop in. I looked at the article Frankie recommended and it is quite accurate (in the 85-90% range as far as I’m concerned) which is hard to come by. Despite some of its slight mistakes and omissions, I would highly recommend anyone to give it a read. Concise and to the point; a fairly high-yield read.

    Peace.

    Note: Forgive me if I don’t respond to any replies for a while.

    Thank you for your comment, Tahla. Your vote of confidence on the Colonel’s primer in my view makes it even more compelling, considering that English language background on Islam is so terribly twisted, mainly due to political agendas of the usual suspects. One reason I shared this primer is the fact that I was so often amazed when reading it by information that was completely new to me, an expat American, ex-Catholic (my folks say you never can really shake it, and I still embrace it gently on my own terms) searcher for truth. From the very start we receive information that was never presented through usual channels of information; it’s almost as if Islam, its roots and basic teachings have been deliberately withheld or manipulated in order to prevent people from seeing it as a religion worthy of serious consideration, and indeed, an extension and end point of the Abrahamic faiths.

    Surprising to me:
    1) the angel Gabriel facilitated Muhammad’s reception of maxims, the Quran
    2) the way the Colonel describes the Muslim view of Christians and the New Testament (Christians misunderstood the New Testament, distorting it in a way to make them believe that Jesus was one element of a triune God. (I have my views on this, but I will not share them now, as it’s not my goal.))
    3) the idea of the “Aryan heresy”. Some Christian church fathers didn’t view Islam as a new religion, rather a Christian heresy.
    4) the significant influence of the intellectual cultures of the Hellenistic world and Zoroastrian Persia. This makes perfect sense, as these much older, more established cultures had great intellectual and mystical traditions, and it’s natural that they would influence the faith as it was established in their lands.

    These are a few points that I found illuminating from just the first two pages of the primer. I heartily recommend it to English speakers who want a better understanding of Islam. I’m also interested in the 10 -15% that you, Tahla, might find inaccurate or questionable, but I realize that you’re busy with something and not replying. In time, my friend.

    Peace
    Frankie P

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  64. @Hessler
    Islam has no celibacy. Koran recommands it's readers/followers to get married to the spouse of their choice and fulfill their sexual needs but in a controlled manner. Although one can choose celibacy and still be inline with the constitution but it's not recommend by the koran.

    The case that you made for the chastity of the Iranian women based on their religion is entirely baseless.

    The real issue is whether the US ought to be engaged in supporting regime change in Iran when essentially Iran is no threat to the US.

    And while I am not sold entirely on Iranian benevolence in the region, I am not convinced that further regime change is an answer to the vacuum we have created in the region anymore than tagging an aside comment i made has any value in manufacturing issues with me —

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    Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is. Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it's the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time.
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  65. @EliteCommInc.
    First let's stay on topic


    my comments were directed toward the women recruits in the MEK. now the reason I made that comment is because i watched a documentary about the women recruits in the MEK and that was a requirement.

    Second,


    while celibacy is not a required practice amon Muslims, and i have had these conversations -- it is encouraged.


    Third,

    at no time did i argue that celibacy was a fundamental requirement or practice among muslims. Because they don't jesus in the same way -- the concept of fidelity or chastity before marriage would for many to be 'unreasoned restraint', my term, not one derived from any muslim.

    Fourth,


    it would be an error to claim that i made a case for islamic celibacy ---- i did not. i do not. i never have.

    Note: the below refelct what I understand of the ilam and celibacy -- in general -- but each groups has their view.

    https://www.lamppostproductions.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Marriage-Celibacy-in-Islam1.pdf

    https://www.islamawareness.net/Sex/celibacy.html

    EliteComminc proclaimed: “it would be an error to claim that i made a case for islamic celibacy —- i did not. i do not. i never have.”

    I interrupt this comment-thread’s carnal tendency to make a special announcement:
    The title of P.G.’s article is “MEK money sure can’t buy love.”

    Hi EliteComminc,

    Uh…, Islamic celibacy? Were you living in West Virginia hillbilly-heaven when Muslims did 9/11?

    (Zigh)

    The George W. Bush administration Neoconservatives and Jewish Corporate Media made sure all dumb goyim were aware about the 19 deranged-Moslems getting rewarded with 72 virgins after they crashed hijacked passenger airplanes into two W.T.C. Towers.

    Maybe you meant balsamic celibacy?

    Thank you.

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    No. none of the suggestions you make are geemnaine to what I am responding to.


    In made an offside comment about the women in MEK's commitment to celibacy -- that's it. i applauded such practice.

    In response a comment was made that my applause included support for women engaged in divorce, murder and adultery. My comment of "praise" for that practice was taken deliberately out context and frame to attack the MEK as though my acknowledgement was carte blanche for everything the MEK -- entirely false.

    Then a comment was made that islam has no foundation requirement for celibacy. Again, that was not a position I made. I corrected that position. I added some commentaries by muslims about their faith and celibacy (Islamic celibacy)

    your attempt to further mangle what took place is rejected for the non sequitor it is in relation to the discussion.
    ______________________

    Your thank you you can keep as i am not granting you anything.


    -------

    I even took the deliberate step of coming back to the initial issue, the relationship of the US to MEK and regime change -- and still, some engage in nonsense, as your comments most certainly reflects.

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  66. @ChuckOrloski
    EliteComminc proclaimed: "it would be an error to claim that i made a case for islamic celibacy —- i did not. i do not. i never have."

    I interrupt this comment-thread's carnal tendency to make a special announcement:
    The title of P.G.'s article is "MEK money sure can't buy love."

    Hi EliteComminc,

    Uh..., Islamic celibacy? Were you living in West Virginia hillbilly-heaven when Muslims did 9/11?

    (Zigh)

    The George W. Bush administration Neoconservatives and Jewish Corporate Media made sure all dumb goyim were aware about the 19 deranged-Moslems getting rewarded with 72 virgins after they crashed hijacked passenger airplanes into two W.T.C. Towers.

    Maybe you meant balsamic celibacy?

    Thank you.

    No. none of the suggestions you make are geemnaine to what I am responding to.

    In made an offside comment about the women in MEK’s commitment to celibacy — that’s it. i applauded such practice.

    In response a comment was made that my applause included support for women engaged in divorce, murder and adultery. My comment of “praise” for that practice was taken deliberately out context and frame to attack the MEK as though my acknowledgement was carte blanche for everything the MEK — entirely false.

    Then a comment was made that islam has no foundation requirement for celibacy. Again, that was not a position I made. I corrected that position. I added some commentaries by muslims about their faith and celibacy (Islamic celibacy)

    your attempt to further mangle what took place is rejected for the non sequitor it is in relation to the discussion.
    ______________________

    Your thank you you can keep as i am not granting you anything.

    ——-

    I even took the deliberate step of coming back to the initial issue, the relationship of the US to MEK and regime change — and still, some engage in nonsense, as your comments most certainly reflects.

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  67. RobinG says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    There is no post revolutionary iran. the islamic desire to evangelize the planet is not singularly momentary and over.

    And it is accurate that during the revolution a lot of blood was spilled by several different entities.


    Clearly, I am applauding celibacy and those ladies who so practice. Prudence in military action, need not dismiss qualities of virtue --- i am unclear what it is that has you so twisting in the wind and misplacing my comments to read out of their specific and intended meaning. The constant misappropriation of another's arguments has really become a skill by so many of you. it's a rather strange practice.

    But to your commentary.

    That's all very interesting, but it's bearing on my comments is nil.


    It is my understanding that the MEK desires to govern iran. Their intentions is to provide greater autonomy from the religious right, ideas born out of their academic leanings. I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists. I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk - that is their business. Here's to a more peaceable route, but those are choices made by those seeking leadership.


    Our founders were certainly viewed as terrorists no doubt.

    One need not search among the women of the mek to find women devoid of emotional attachment. The list of detached narcissistic women are plenty here on our shores. They are murdering their children in the womb and bragging about it - to the near beat of of 1 million a year. . They are flaunting all manner of behaviors with each other men, and other asundary beasts. They too want power, money, position and leadership - save they are not so willing to pay that price and more inclined that men do the heavy lifting for them --

    So while i may not subscribe to their violent desire for revolution --- i am willing to give them a nod, for bravery. give me a woman willing to fight for me
    to the death

    and I am all hers . . .

    Let's see where was I . . . oh

    applauding their celibacy.

    Comment #50 is for you, Troll-Bot.

    204 has your number.

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    I have no clue what 204 means.

    And the number you think was had was a wrong number and utterly disconnected from a dial tone i am familiar with.


    But I note you pointing out that I had missed it.

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  68. Godless says:
    @Taras77
    To note, pompeo now has disavowed the goal of regime change, asserting that the goal now is to encourge "good behavior," or words to that effect.

    I have strong suspicions that this is merely a tactical ploy and my guess is that the Iranians similarly are suspicious. The fact of the matter now is that anything coming out of the Ministry of Truth or any other source in DC is not to be believed.

    I’m sure Pompeo’s disavowal of any desire for regime change in Iran is only to counter the idiocy of Pence and Bolton saying that the North Korean negotiations would follow the Libyan model. Canceling the Iran nuclear agreement and ratcheting up the warmongering was hardly a great diplomatic maneuver while at the same time trying to assure NK that the US would not attack. If and when a Korean agreement is behind him, Pompeo can return to his longstanding aggressive stance towards Iran.

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  69. @anonymous
    [There is no post revolutionary iran.]

    Who are you that giving me this nonsense. Your words smells Zionists and their slaves.
    This simply means: after the revolution MEK killed many people, including the time they were in Iraq with Saddam, YOUR BUDDY, to topple Iranian government, where YOU and your extensions, the criminal West, Russia, the puppet and terrorist Arab head of states, all WERE DEFEATED. But you never learn until you are totally destroyed. Thus it is important to get that so we can save humanity and bring peace. Until then we should be UNITED AGAINST THE EVIL EMPIRE AND CRIMINAL JEWISH MAFIA, to bring peace.

    [Clearly, I am applauding celibacy and those ladies who so practice.]

    Are you a western ‘feminist’ female like Hillary? No matter how that ‘feminist’ is criminal and mass murderer, still is a pussy. I do not believe in pussy politics.
    You even did not bother to watch the video and read the stories of these women who were RAPED, with Maryam assistant, THAY YOU SUPPORT, to see that MEK is not only a terrorist organization and have killed thousands of Iranian and non-Iranians for YOUR LUST FOR POWER, but also SEXUAL ABUSER that US/Israel are supporting for their ‘regime change’ where goes nowhere expect hell that they deserve. Your own terrorist officials knew about sexual rapes and also knew these women want to escape, but if any of these women told YOUR terrorist officials, they would report it to their slave, Masoud Rajavi, MEK, to take action against these women. You should be ashamed of yourself not to belittle their criminal actions. YOU ARE CRIMINAL S THAT SHOULD BE EXPOSED ALL OVER THE WORLD.
    We have seen it all in Iraq, abu gharib, aren’t we?????

    The rape in Abu gharib was conducted according to lust for power to bring a nation under control, loot their resources, looting their museums and library that now are sitting IN YOUR MUSIUMS where dummies go and see with no opposition. You are that dumb and criminals.
    [It is my understanding that the MEK desires to govern Iran. Their intentions is to provide greater autonomy from the religious right, ideas born out of their academic leanings. I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists. I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk – that is their business.]
    You write like an ignorant person, or playing it dumb. In the past I was wondered if for example CHARLIE ROSE is dumb or playing it dumb. Or if Lydon is dumb or playing it dumb, because these pseudo intellectuals were seen by many. You know what. I found them both DUMB and in the service of the terrorist state, US.

    [I have no data to support that they are Marxists or communists.
    What a dumb words!!!

    [I am not an advocate of inciting revolutions as a general practice. But if the MEK is willing to take that risk – that is their business.]
    SUCH A LIE. You are inciting chaos and destabilization using Your terrorists, MEK, Al Qaeda, ISIS. What are you doing in the region? Have dummies ever ask this simple question?

    [But if the MEK is willing to take that risk – that is their business.]
    Whom do you think you are? Iran had revolution in 1978, how old are you??? That was a popular revolution unmatched with your ‘color revolution’ that is taking place in countries with your dumb NGOs. Furthermore what this means? ‘MEK is willing…’
    Who is MEK that DARES to say ‘willing..’. They are not even 2000 terrorists that CIA/Mossad trained ALL OVER THE WORLD. Do the dummies know that Iran has a population over 85 million??? They are not listing to their enemies, US, Saudis or dumb Jewish mafia headed by trump. That’s why you the criminals push SANCTIONS TO KILL PEOPLE SO THEY come under your fucking rule. I am telling you now that will NEVER HAPPEN.
    This is strictly Iranian people’s BUSINESS. Whom do you think you are that your illiterate president read a message written by a Zionist illiterate SHILL, like Miller, to insult Iranian people? They are telling the criminal Zionists and imperialists GO TO HELL.

    You should learn to respect other people civilization and way of life. We are not interested in hoax neoliberal economy led by the criminals and rapists who have created 1% parasites against 99% poor people. We are not interested in the “world government”, a Zionist project. It SHOULD BE DESTROYED.
    Instead, you MUST act now to change your own miserable situation where Jeff Flake told Americans at Harvard University just past week, that AMERICA HIT THE BOTTOM. US CANNOT GO LOWER.
    Your situation is very bleak and NEEDS REGIME CHANGE, NOW.

    http://time.com/5289380/jeff-flake-harvard-commencement-address-president-trump/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWQg-VG9Euw

    i missed these comments, excuse the delay.

    Now you might have wanted to ask me a question about what I meant —–

    — the islamic revolution is not a singular event, it is a movement, a process and that process did not cease when the the power was shifted or seized by the clerics.

    i have no definitive answer point of view whether Pres Hussein’s efforts to rebut said spread of the revolution was effective or not. He thought so. he thought enough of it to expect Kuwait to chip in for the price. As far as i am concerned, that is a dispute between the parties involved.

    Let’s be clear, I opposed any move against iraq. i opposed an invasion of Afghanistan as unnecessary to the task and strategically untenable. So I have not a clue what you are on about concerning zionism — as i have stated my view on the matter regularly and consistently. I am not a fan of iran. But I have not found any cause to invade them, though I am not as convinced as many other of their regional benevolence. Again, that is largely a issue for those in the region ro resolve and have stated as much.

    Dumb though they may be — I don’t have any supporting data to make that conclusion. It’s a leap to infer that “high context” cultures are by definition marxists, i prefer to be more circumspect. As in my habit, I am careful to name call merely as pejorative. But your accusation is without merit. I have made no encouraging remarks for regime change.

    I am unclear why you use the term you — the only entities that would be anyway connected to me — would be those of the US and i paid a heavy price for opposing invasion in the region — more than you will ever know, perhaps even larger than i will know. But I would oppose it nonetheless — unwise.

    It is my understanding that the MEK are iranians. And it is also clear that during the revolution they were integral in advancing change. it was the student population that did a lot of the heavy lifting. It is my understanding that in the struggle for governance the youth and the educational elite lost out to the clerics. Over time the clerics, and the academics eventually had a falling out and the those most disgruntled were – are now referred to as the MEK. Their goal as i understand is to gain power because they believe their leadership is better suited for a prosperous and liberty encouraging environment. Again, that is their business. I have stated my position on any further regime change escapades. I am going to eschew responding to the unsupported accusations, save to say they are false to a one. But we do agree that this matter is iranian business.

    We also agree that sovereignty matters. And that sovereignty should be respected. I am more concerned about the sovereignty of the US than anyone else’s at the moment, unless they are a “clear and present danger” (i think i just dated myself) to the US or our allies. I do not consider Iran such a threat.

    As for the comments by Sen Flake. i have only this to say, i am more interested in the rule of law here in the US and that as applied to our borders that allows foreigners to undermine US citizens, and i care not a twiddle about the color of their skin, how compliant and hard working they are.
    __________________________________

    i don’t think you have any idea who feminists are or who Sec Clinton is. Celibacy is no more their cup of tea than it is for Pres Trump or the president prior. Nothing in my comments supports rape in any manner. you are just off to the races. Not a single comment i made supports any criminal activity in any way. Abu grahib will be a blight on the system of US system of military justice for a very long time. i suspect that these are the tactic developed by the lead intel officer at Guantonomo which reflected the practices of Israeli interrogation techniques — tragic in every way. i am sure the men and women who were actually responsible escaped review.

    _________

    Look you took a simple comment and went of the rails in applying it in very unsavory content — clearly for which it was not intended.

    when responded to those misapplications — you seem yo have doubled down on your suspicions — incorrect on multiple levels. You have, in my view mistaken my detachment for something else.

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  70. @RobinG
    Comment #50 is for you, Troll-Bot.

    204 has your number.

    I have no clue what 204 means.

    And the number you think was had was a wrong number and utterly disconnected from a dial tone i am familiar with.

    But I note you pointing out that I had missed it.

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  71. @Ronald Thomas West
    Well, it's good you appreciated the article on Menashe ... but back on topic I'd really like it if people read my article on MeK. I'd interviewed MeK people personally and went to considerable length to develop their story and it's not pretty. Some of what I'd written overlaps Phil's article (the creep Giuliani is to be found wherever neocon world class crimes are perpetrated) but includes the human elements and a bit different angle on their history. At the time my piece had been written (2013) only 250 MeK rank and file had been evacuated from Iraq to Albania. That larger rank and file have been hostage to the USA and Israel but most of all hostage to the narcissism of its leadership.

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/28/the-mojahedin-e-khalq/

    ^

    Ronald Thomas West commented: “the creep Giuliani is to be found wherever neocon world class crimes are perpetrated) but includes the human elements and a bit different angle on their history.”

    Hi R.T.W.,

    Agreed on Rudy G. as a top ranked (Roman Catholic) “creep.”

    There is another less well-known “creep” to the dumb goyim who might have well served as another “world class creep” in your writing.

    Remember Marc Rich, the high-rolling jailbird pardoned by POT(Z)USA “Slick Willie” Clinton? He’s the Jew who brokered oil & weapons to Israel’s “existential” enemy, Iran. Refer below WSJ column’s “different angle” on Rich?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB982885815892990443

    Thanks, R.T.W.!

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    Not contributing to Rupert Murdoch's wallet (WSJ paywall) ... bash the Jews all you like Chuck, there's criminals aplenty there, Marc Rich is excellent example but without so-called 'Christian' support, e.g. Bush, Gates and company, or these days Mike Pompeo and associated morons, Zionism wouldn't be/couldn't be nearly so malignant. In any case criminals are endemic to society regardless of ethnicity or faith and I'm not one to get hung up in that aspect. It's the criminals are the problem, not whether they are Mormons, Jews, or for that matter, hairy fishnuts or Moonies.
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  72. Moi says:
    @Frankie P
    I strongly recommend this primer on Islam by Marguerite and Colonel Pat Lang. It is very informative, and I look forward to reading it again to let the broad information sink in. It seems that it was used to inform US military and intelligence personnel, though the good Colonel cursed them out for failing to take the work seriously and learn from it.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/who-are-muslims-what-do-they-believe-are-their-ideas-and-traditions-so-alien-there-cannot-be-reconciliation-between-them-an.html

    I take it there are no Muslim experts you’d recommend regarding Sharia….or maybe they just don’t have the depth of mind of western “experts.”

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  73. RobinG says:
    @Talha
    Just came back from taraweeh and thought I’d pop in. I looked at the article Frankie recommended and it is quite accurate (in the 85-90% range as far as I’m concerned) which is hard to come by. Despite some of its slight mistakes and omissions, I would highly recommend anyone to give it a read. Concise and to the point; a fairly high-yield read.

    Peace.

    Note: Forgive me if I don’t respond to any replies for a while.

    Hi Uncle T,

    Like Frankie, I hope you’ll post your 10-15% disagreement at some point.

    Do you think most Muslims are aware of the distinctions that Lang outlined? I know Egyptians who say they are just Muslim and don’t identify with any sect. Isn’t this the difference between a religious scholar and the average adherent?

    By comparison, I was brought up as a Christian, but never dwelled on the distinctions between our church and other Protestant denominations (kind of a PC, dissembling term for sect, eh?), or Catholics, or even Mormons (a heresy to some). Of course, my parents weren’t raging bigots or lunatics, lol.

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    Hi Robin (and Frankie),

    Do you think most Muslims are aware of the distinctions that Lang outlined?
     
    Probably not - most Muslims just follow the Islam of their region, the more religiously educated know these distinctions.

    don’t identify with any sect
     
    There is a major difference between a sect and a school of thought or a school of juristic interpretation. The major sects are Sunni (whether Salafis and Wahhabis are Sunnis is also up for debate), Shiah, Zaydi, Ibadi. Religion is messy sometimes.

    10-15% disagreement
     
    I'll mention a few examples:
    1) He mentions that the Mu'tazilites were driven out with "much bloodshed and suffering", when it was the Mutazilites that inspired the "inquisition" upon the orthodox scholars - many were tortured and imprisoned:
    http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195390155/obo-9780195390155-0205.xml
    2) He mentions mystics were "often tortured and crucified", but I've only read of Mansur al-Hallaj and maybe one or two others. Hallaj's gruesome death was more due to political issues than theological. More often than not, some of the most senior scholars in the Muslim world were (and continue to be) Sufis - the former Grand Muftis of Pakistan and Egypt come to mind.
    3) The Sunni schools never closed the doors of ijtihad. He makes note that the process to derive rules still continues so that's a good distinction. But the doors of ijtihad were not closed (though some scholars posited that they should be), there simply has not been anyone considered qualified at that level of scholarship to set up their own independent school for centuries; the last person who came close was Imam Suyuti (ra), but the other scholars didn't recognize his right to do so.
    4) Deoband is a Islamic institution of learning (like al-Azhar, al-Qarawiyyin) that is fully within the Sunni tradition - you can ask any of the scholars of Syria who have praised their scholarship and works. They definitely a little more "rough around the edges" on some things, but fully within the Sunni spectrum of thought.
    5) He should have added Ijma (or consensus - especially of the first generation) as a source of law for Sunnis.
    6) He stated; "consensus groups can be of any size" - which is the first time I've heard heard this proposed. It logically makes no sense. That means me and my garage band can form a "consensus" on an issue and it's as legitimate as rulings coming out of the IFA of the OIC:
    https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/organizations/islamic-fiqh-academy

    The notion is silly on its face and divests the word "consensus" of any lexical meaning.
    7) He stated that Ibadis consider Sunnis and Shiahs to be non-Muslims; I have never come across this. Now it is true they are descended from the original Khawarij who did have those extreme views, but the Ibadis broke off from them and chilled out a long time ago.

    Those were just some - there are other slight issues - but overall it's a solid effort. Even if Colonel Lang considers Islam to be a danger, I appreciate that he can overcome his internal bias and approach the subject from a serious academic perspective (and gets most things right); it's flattering actually that someone would take the time and effort to do so*. Which is why some of the mistakes should not detract from the work as a whole. I especially appreciate the humility with which he states certain things, like; "Some of the groups and their origins (from a Western point of view)". I'm also glad he mentions extremist branches of Salafi-Wahhabi thought as being the troublesome jihadi sort. I may have my doctrinal issues with Salafis and Wahhabis, but many of them are simple Muslims and some of them are the most non-political Muslims you will ever find. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf described the best of them (fairly accurately) as "grumpy Amish".

    Peace.

    *Note: I mean, some of the stuff he gets laser-accurate like the Mu'tazilite theological positions surviving among Zaydis is just awesome.
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  74. denk says:
    @denk

    In 2013, when the Iraqis insisted that they go elsewhere the President Barack Obama facilitated their removal to Albania under the auspices of the United Nations refugee program, with the $20 million dollar bill being footed by Washington.
     
    In 2009 , 17 Uighurs were released from Gitmo.
    The Chinese wanted them back in China to face charges of 'terrorism'.
    Washington said 'no way, these people might not get a fair trial in China , they might be tortured' [cough cough]

    Trouble is, CONgress didnt want these hombres to stay in the US, inspite of their 'freedom fighters' credentials [as per Washington]. None of the countries approached by Washington wanted them either.

    In the end uncle sham had to dump them on tiny Palau isle in the Pacific, the deal was greased by a $200M sweetener ...a cool $20M per head of UIghurs. !

    Aint the murkkans swell eh ?

    In 2013, when the Iraqis insisted that they go elsewhere the President Barack Obama facilitated their removal to Albania under the auspices of the United Nations refugee program, with the $20 million dollar bill being footed by Washington.

    Albania ?
    wasnt it the training ground and launching pad for the KLA, fukus jihadist mercs to attack ex Yugo and Macedonia ?

    Perhaps its just coincidence that some Uighurs released from Gitmo ended up in Albania too, the more cynical ones would wonder if they were sent there for some upgrading course before they were spirited back into China to raise hell in Xinjiang ?

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  75. Talha says:
    @RobinG
    Hi Uncle T,

    Like Frankie, I hope you'll post your 10-15% disagreement at some point.

    Do you think most Muslims are aware of the distinctions that Lang outlined? I know Egyptians who say they are just Muslim and don't identify with any sect. Isn't this the difference between a religious scholar and the average adherent?

    By comparison, I was brought up as a Christian, but never dwelled on the distinctions between our church and other Protestant denominations (kind of a PC, dissembling term for sect, eh?), or Catholics, or even Mormons (a heresy to some). Of course, my parents weren't raging bigots or lunatics, lol.

    Hi Robin (and Frankie),

    Do you think most Muslims are aware of the distinctions that Lang outlined?

    Probably not – most Muslims just follow the Islam of their region, the more religiously educated know these distinctions.

    don’t identify with any sect

    There is a major difference between a sect and a school of thought or a school of juristic interpretation. The major sects are Sunni (whether Salafis and Wahhabis are Sunnis is also up for debate), Shiah, Zaydi, Ibadi. Religion is messy sometimes.

    10-15% disagreement

    I’ll mention a few examples:
    1) He mentions that the Mu’tazilites were driven out with “much bloodshed and suffering”, when it was the Mutazilites that inspired the “inquisition” upon the orthodox scholars – many were tortured and imprisoned:

    http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195390155/obo-9780195390155-0205.xml

    2) He mentions mystics were “often tortured and crucified”, but I’ve only read of Mansur al-Hallaj and maybe one or two others. Hallaj’s gruesome death was more due to political issues than theological. More often than not, some of the most senior scholars in the Muslim world were (and continue to be) Sufis – the former Grand Muftis of Pakistan and Egypt come to mind.
    3) The Sunni schools never closed the doors of ijtihad. He makes note that the process to derive rules still continues so that’s a good distinction. But the doors of ijtihad were not closed (though some scholars posited that they should be), there simply has not been anyone considered qualified at that level of scholarship to set up their own independent school for centuries; the last person who came close was Imam Suyuti (ra), but the other scholars didn’t recognize his right to do so.
    4) Deoband is a Islamic institution of learning (like al-Azhar, al-Qarawiyyin) that is fully within the Sunni tradition – you can ask any of the scholars of Syria who have praised their scholarship and works. They definitely a little more “rough around the edges” on some things, but fully within the Sunni spectrum of thought.
    5) He should have added Ijma (or consensus – especially of the first generation) as a source of law for Sunnis.
    6) He stated; “consensus groups can be of any size” – which is the first time I’ve heard heard this proposed. It logically makes no sense. That means me and my garage band can form a “consensus” on an issue and it’s as legitimate as rulings coming out of the IFA of the OIC:

    https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/organizations/islamic-fiqh-academy

    The notion is silly on its face and divests the word “consensus” of any lexical meaning.
    7) He stated that Ibadis consider Sunnis and Shiahs to be non-Muslims; I have never come across this. Now it is true they are descended from the original Khawarij who did have those extreme views, but the Ibadis broke off from them and chilled out a long time ago.

    Those were just some – there are other slight issues – but overall it’s a solid effort. Even if Colonel Lang considers Islam to be a danger, I appreciate that he can overcome his internal bias and approach the subject from a serious academic perspective (and gets most things right); it’s flattering actually that someone would take the time and effort to do so*. Which is why some of the mistakes should not detract from the work as a whole. I especially appreciate the humility with which he states certain things, like; “Some of the groups and their origins (from a Western point of view)”. I’m also glad he mentions extremist branches of Salafi-Wahhabi thought as being the troublesome jihadi sort. I may have my doctrinal issues with Salafis and Wahhabis, but many of them are simple Muslims and some of them are the most non-political Muslims you will ever find. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf described the best of them (fairly accurately) as “grumpy Amish”.

    Peace.

    *Note: I mean, some of the stuff he gets laser-accurate like the Mu’tazilite theological positions surviving among Zaydis is just awesome.

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    >whether Salafis and Wahhabis are Sunnis is also up for debate

    What are you talking about ? The salafist ideology is the most purified form of monotheism in the entire world. While the Saudi Monarchs along with handful of elites have partially hi-jacked it and thrown rest of it into oblivion, it's still the most basic doctrine practised in the kingdom.
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  76. Hessler says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    You are of course kidding. every muslim desires for all to come to the truth -- it's a tenet of faith. The question for such practice is whether said desires will be by force or buy the consent of the offered. If you know a muslim who does desire that you the truth and come to it by way Islam as the best means -- you have not met a muslim.


    I have no idea what you are talking about. I always applaud celibacy -- and I always support it. Kids in Texas -- I have no clue what you are on about. If you are talking about the incels(?) I think my position is very clear. Based on their self definition: not a fan of wikipedia but:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

    While it is a form of celibacy -- it does represent the understanding of celibacy.

    1. by choice or
    2. lacking the ability by biology or rarer still --
    3. no desire at all

    It is not merely the inability because one can't find a partner. The incels are making a claim that they would have relations if they could find someone to have them with. But from a scriptural perspective that is an incomplete understanding or misrepresentation. the celibate person chooses so because they are not married and will not so engage until they get married regardless of the opportunities that may come their way in the mean time. Circumstance and happenstance are not the same.

    I think i used the example of the thief. Suppose a thief who wanted to steal but simply could not find any available targets. He comes to you and says, i am not longer a thief because i couldn't find anyone to steal from, when I checked all the doors were locked. It may be great that locked doors prevent one from stealing -- but that doesn't make one no longer a thief.

    Now if that is the issue, then i stand where i came in. However, I suspect that the other matter is my tone, which had more to to do with the article itself than the incel admonitions. On that I would agree that i could have been less stringent in my comments and more respectful that people are celibate for a variety of reasons and such celibacy, even if not withing the frame I observe should be honored. I would agree that I could have been more accommodating/understanding.

    My hand is the same as it always has been --- very traditional views on male female relations


    As for dishonest speech --- you'll have to be specific. I may err on some data - but being untruthful -- not my practice.


    I don't produce the articles I respond to them.

    If you’re blaming muslims for wanting everyone to come to the truth, you should look at the expansion of the western civilization. That magical word “our values” you could hear at the end of declaration of every war by every US president. The concepts of Capitalism and Sexism draped under the guise of “Freedom & Democracy” enforced all round the world by the crminial instruments of war, debt and sanctions often against the free will of the target nation(s).

    If you know how the civilizations work, western civilization will fall and will be replaced by the civilization forged on the basis of faith not scientific knowledge. Ring any bells ?

    No matter what anyone likes/dislikes, we the humans are genetically programmed to unite under one banner. And that will be comprised of Anti-Captalistic, Anti-Sexist values. Minoans were also damn sure like us if not more that nothing could bring down the socio-political systems they have created. We all know how that ended.

    “And the satan lured them (Adam & Eve) into eating the forbidden fruit. He said if you eat from the forbidden tree your existance shell be eternal (sexism) and you shell gain the reign of gold who’s glitter shell never fade (capitalism)”–from Koran

    “Fake are the promises of satan, only god’s promise (of judgement) is true”–from Koran

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  77. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Populist Right and Populist Left forming an alliance.

    Looks like two-party fascism, an ideology of left AND right.

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  78. Hessler says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    First let's stay on topic


    my comments were directed toward the women recruits in the MEK. now the reason I made that comment is because i watched a documentary about the women recruits in the MEK and that was a requirement.

    Second,


    while celibacy is not a required practice amon Muslims, and i have had these conversations -- it is encouraged.


    Third,

    at no time did i argue that celibacy was a fundamental requirement or practice among muslims. Because they don't jesus in the same way -- the concept of fidelity or chastity before marriage would for many to be 'unreasoned restraint', my term, not one derived from any muslim.

    Fourth,


    it would be an error to claim that i made a case for islamic celibacy ---- i did not. i do not. i never have.

    Note: the below refelct what I understand of the ilam and celibacy -- in general -- but each groups has their view.

    https://www.lamppostproductions.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Marriage-Celibacy-in-Islam1.pdf

    https://www.islamawareness.net/Sex/celibacy.html

    First,

    If anyone misunderstood anything, we clear it up. Apart from you and me, other people read this board too and form their opinions and if you’ve made an allegation, it deserves a response.

    Second,

    Celibacy is NOT encouraged, neither in muslim societies nor by the koran.

    “And do not forbid yourselves of the things God has allowed for you.”–from Koran

    “I (God) injected the compassion and generocity in the hearts of the Christians, they made it a compulsion for themselves to not get married althought it was never forbidden for them to do so, then they couldn’t keep patience and went astray on the wrong paths”– from Koran

    “Your wives are like garments for you and you are for them”–from Koran

    So you understand the Koranic argument. It’s encouraged to get married and fulfill you sexual needs.

    Third,

    I apologise, I misunderstood you.

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    I keep misposting -- excuse me. Not intentional


    A, I have no objection to response — ever. i do challenge attributing arguments i am not making to me. For example, i never stated that islam promoted celibacy — nor did i suggest. repeating a position i did not make and have thoroughly rebutted — brings us back to square on. i did not claim, i did not suggest that Islam demanded celibacy. Claiming that i did now has as much value as it did when it was first stated — not. It was never pressed.

    B. What i did say was — I applaud the celibacy in reference to women of MEK, which based on a documentary I saw was a requirement for recruitment.

    C. In response to incorrect assertions about what I contended — all thus far inaccurate, i included some commentary on celibacy and islam. Those commentaries make it clear the role celibacy plays in islamic life and I noted it reflected my understanding based on conversations I have had with muslims.

    D. no apologies required as you have only advanced and addressed the very issues that have no bearing or reflection of anything I have said.

    And at the end of the discussions i have returned to the initial issue of the MEK in relationship regime change supported by the US. The word or idea tagging so as to malign another is quire a staple among commenters here — but i won’t pretend that it is innocent.
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  79. Hessler says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    The real issue is whether the US ought to be engaged in supporting regime change in Iran when essentially Iran is no threat to the US.

    And while I am not sold entirely on Iranian benevolence in the region, I am not convinced that further regime change is an answer to the vacuum we have created in the region anymore than tagging an aside comment i made has any value in manufacturing issues with me ---

    Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is. Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it’s the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time.

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    Clear and present danger ---- is my position and even that is dicey.

    ideologically and long term strategic makes a lot of states enemies of the US --- hence the democracy promotion by any means necessary.


    Problems: infeasible, unethical and damaging to the states advancing it --- these kinds of global strategic aims are great on paper -- lousy in application.


    ideologies shift, change and are subject to rebut through other means --- I may have my suspicions and concerns about iran - but they are not a clear and present danger even ideologically.


    If you are going to advance this idea - then be honest, all muslim states are a danger in your view.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    i need to correct one view i expressed ---


    you are being honest about the nature of what you think the threat is --- all islam

    , @anonymous
    [Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is.]

    Shame on you illiterate and ignorant. I am afraid this site is full of trolls and illiterate people who illiterate about history and culture, yet dare to comment about things that know shit about.

    You should read history of science by George Sarton, to find out about the contribution of Muslims to science that you use. These books are not re-printed again because they want you stay as illiterate as you are to make stupid comments and make an idiot of yourself.

    http://muslimheritage.com/article/george-sarton-and-history-science

    And they use you as a foot soldier for their army to massacre Muslims that you have been doing for a long time and especially since the 9/11 where was a FALSE FLAG OPERATION designed and implemented by Neocon Bush and Israel to frame Muslims so to invade, massacre, loot, rape and change the geopolitical of the region for 'world government' where "greater Israel is embedded.

    You are fooled by Orientalist racists, go and read "orientalism" by Edward Said to find out why you are making such a racist comment. Islamic civilization is NOT a threat, but YOU ARE, imperialism and Zionism. The ISIS is NOT islamic. ISIS, Al Qaeda and more are creation of the axis of Evil US-Israel-Britain as a proxy to invade and create chaos so to fool the illiterate LIKE YOU.

    They don't re-print so no one knows that YOUR BASIC sciences like Mathematics, and Medicine has been stolen from Islamic sciences like Avicenna , Razi. The only medical book used in western University was Avicenna's CANON, Islamic.

    [The Canon of Medicine remained a medical authority for centuries. It set the standards for medicine in Medieval Europe and the Islamic world and was used as a standard medical textbook through the 18th century in Europe.]

    You the racist, should know that the Western music is build upon Islamic music (Persian) where it traveled from the Middle East to Spain and then into Italy and France. Flamingo music that your get erection from, is based on and influenced by Arabic music so Turkish.

    Instead of making racist and ignorant comments, read a little bit then comment. I know illiterate racist Americans, like your illiterate 'president' don't like to read, even a report, just watching porno videos to get better at licking pussy.



    http://www.muslimheritage.com/article/muslim-musical-instruments-transmitted-europe
    , @L.K
    Hessler: 'Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is."

    Lemme correct that for ya... Iran is NOT a threat to the ZUS at all... unless the ZUS makes the mistake to attack Iran.
    "Islamic civilization" is also NOT a threat to the ZUS... as for spineless puppet Europe, the threat only exists because of the general unwillingness of the EU ZUS puppet regimes to secure borders, or, in the case of some former huge colonial empires, like ZUK, bc of their own immigration policies...
    This is compounded by Europe's subservience to the ZUS destabilizing ME wars, which generate large numbers of displaced people, many of whom then proceed to try to get into Europe.
    In the case of Turkey opening the floodgates, it's pretty certain the US participated in it, to foster a strategy of tension in Europe.

    hessler: 'Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it’s the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time."

    If you are implying the wars in the MENA are some kind of preemptive attacks against an Islamic civilization 'threat', that is a laughable and totally preposterous idea.

    The Zio-american wars in the MENA are part of the fraudulent war on terror, itself based on the 9/11 Zionist false flag & they are carried out to weaken and break up states in order to improve Israel's position in the region.

    The Israeli Origin of 9/11 and the War on Terror by author C. Bollyn
    http://bollyn.com/#article_15904

    Both 9/11 and the War on Terror are products of Israeli military intelligence. 9/11 was meant to start the War on Terror. Understanding the Israeli origin of both is key to understanding the deception.
     
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  80. Hessler says:
    @Talha
    Hi Robin (and Frankie),

    Do you think most Muslims are aware of the distinctions that Lang outlined?
     
    Probably not - most Muslims just follow the Islam of their region, the more religiously educated know these distinctions.

    don’t identify with any sect
     
    There is a major difference between a sect and a school of thought or a school of juristic interpretation. The major sects are Sunni (whether Salafis and Wahhabis are Sunnis is also up for debate), Shiah, Zaydi, Ibadi. Religion is messy sometimes.

    10-15% disagreement
     
    I'll mention a few examples:
    1) He mentions that the Mu'tazilites were driven out with "much bloodshed and suffering", when it was the Mutazilites that inspired the "inquisition" upon the orthodox scholars - many were tortured and imprisoned:
    http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195390155/obo-9780195390155-0205.xml
    2) He mentions mystics were "often tortured and crucified", but I've only read of Mansur al-Hallaj and maybe one or two others. Hallaj's gruesome death was more due to political issues than theological. More often than not, some of the most senior scholars in the Muslim world were (and continue to be) Sufis - the former Grand Muftis of Pakistan and Egypt come to mind.
    3) The Sunni schools never closed the doors of ijtihad. He makes note that the process to derive rules still continues so that's a good distinction. But the doors of ijtihad were not closed (though some scholars posited that they should be), there simply has not been anyone considered qualified at that level of scholarship to set up their own independent school for centuries; the last person who came close was Imam Suyuti (ra), but the other scholars didn't recognize his right to do so.
    4) Deoband is a Islamic institution of learning (like al-Azhar, al-Qarawiyyin) that is fully within the Sunni tradition - you can ask any of the scholars of Syria who have praised their scholarship and works. They definitely a little more "rough around the edges" on some things, but fully within the Sunni spectrum of thought.
    5) He should have added Ijma (or consensus - especially of the first generation) as a source of law for Sunnis.
    6) He stated; "consensus groups can be of any size" - which is the first time I've heard heard this proposed. It logically makes no sense. That means me and my garage band can form a "consensus" on an issue and it's as legitimate as rulings coming out of the IFA of the OIC:
    https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/organizations/islamic-fiqh-academy

    The notion is silly on its face and divests the word "consensus" of any lexical meaning.
    7) He stated that Ibadis consider Sunnis and Shiahs to be non-Muslims; I have never come across this. Now it is true they are descended from the original Khawarij who did have those extreme views, but the Ibadis broke off from them and chilled out a long time ago.

    Those were just some - there are other slight issues - but overall it's a solid effort. Even if Colonel Lang considers Islam to be a danger, I appreciate that he can overcome his internal bias and approach the subject from a serious academic perspective (and gets most things right); it's flattering actually that someone would take the time and effort to do so*. Which is why some of the mistakes should not detract from the work as a whole. I especially appreciate the humility with which he states certain things, like; "Some of the groups and their origins (from a Western point of view)". I'm also glad he mentions extremist branches of Salafi-Wahhabi thought as being the troublesome jihadi sort. I may have my doctrinal issues with Salafis and Wahhabis, but many of them are simple Muslims and some of them are the most non-political Muslims you will ever find. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf described the best of them (fairly accurately) as "grumpy Amish".

    Peace.

    *Note: I mean, some of the stuff he gets laser-accurate like the Mu'tazilite theological positions surviving among Zaydis is just awesome.

    >whether Salafis and Wahhabis are Sunnis is also up for debate

    What are you talking about ? The salafist ideology is the most purified form of monotheism in the entire world. While the Saudi Monarchs along with handful of elites have partially hi-jacked it and thrown rest of it into oblivion, it’s still the most basic doctrine practised in the kingdom.

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    My dear friend, I simply said it is up for debate. I cannot make that call, others - far more qualified than I - do. Unfortunately, many in the West assume the dichotomy in the major sects of Islam means that "Sunni" is equivalent to "not Shiah". This is not the case; Sunnis (or Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama'a) have specific doctrines and methodologies. This is why, in the Amman Message, the Salafi were distinguished as a group and not simply assumed to be under the Sunni umbrella - this document was signed by major Salafi and Wahhabi scholars themselves:
    http://ammanmessage.com/

    The monotheism of Salafis and Wahhabis has never been in question. The closest school of law they adhere to is that of the Hanbali (with a very strong emphasis on the positions of Imam Ibn Taymiyyah [ra]) and they adhere to the creed as formulated by Imam Tahawi (ra); though some of their interpretations are a bit off from normative Sunni ones - especially those tending towards anthropomorphism.

    What sets them apart from the majority is what they themselves bring to the table; which is often a very charged and bitter my-way-or-the-highway approach to the religion. They are given to much arguing with people and have introduced a dangerous tendency among adherents where amateurs feel qualified to pass legal verdicts - especially in the realm of tossing accusations of takfir left and right. All of this has been recognized by some of their own scholars, if you know how significant Shaykh Albani (ra) was in the Salafi-Wahhabi circles, then it is worth reading his warnings to people who tread that path:
    https://thealbaanisite.com/2014/01/11/the-salafi-dawah-in-disarray-he-cant-even-recite-an-aayah-from-the-quraan-properly-even-if-the-noble-mushaf-were-open-in-front-of-him-let-alone-the-fact-that-he-will-make-man/

    I don't have any personal grudge against many Salafis or Wahhabis and consider them my brothers in faith and will readily pray behind them (even though some might not pray behind me or even consider me Muslim). However, it cannot be overlooked that they have set in motion certain trends where seriously pathological and violent groups have emerged from among their ranks.

    Peace.

    Note: EliteComm gets props for citing an article by Shaykh Abdullah bin Hamid Ali; he is a solid young scholar and I keep up with his twitter feed (which I am very selective about and only follow 12 accounts).

    Second Note: I'm going to bow out from responding for about two weeks - apologies in advance.

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  81. L.K says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I am going tread carefully here. I am not sure it is possible for any Muslim state to operate without the Qu'ran as a major part of governance. However, I do think the intellectual class might be more likely to allow personal differences than the religious right now in power ----

    However, a case for US support regime change and ultimate invasion minus a state revolution -- is a very tough case for me to support. This is a matter for the people of Iran to sort out. I am not inclined to let bygones be bygones on the embassy issue. As for the 1950's coupe, that was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite and I suspect that some of the shah's people and they are interested in the MEK position and Iran's future. Muslims have long memories, it seems. Maybe that's more about the people of this region --


    I am saying, it's none of my business. For the most part. The Iranians I have known are fairly genial and I have had good to better than good relations with them.

    I am more interested in why the leadership of this country is undermining US citizens in favor of foreigners, that boosts the profits of a very small number as it undermines vasts swath of the US population's ability and economic portability. I am concerned why we have not built a wall.


    And I remain thoroughly convinced though some say it is hyperbole that our southern neighbors are engaged in a war of attrition to widdle away at US sovereignty til it is meaningless. That is the war I am interested in.

    “As for the 1950′s coupe, that was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite blahb, blah, blah”

    You lying POS.

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    Based on the released data -- the role of the CIA was financial and some material. But that coupe could not have been accomplished if not for a effective Iranian organized and cohesive contingent.


    Even in examining the CIA's acknowledgement of support, it's clear that this was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite. Of course it makes sense to play down the Iranian role -- I suspect enough heads have rolled. But when looking at what took place and how --- this was impossible with insider opposition. Monet to grease the wheels, but even when the CIA wanted to backout - the iranians intended to move forward. And one of the agents on scene disobeyed the hold order and proceeded. The Iranians intended to move forward regardless and further revealing is the debate over who did what as to the specifics between the CIA and the Iranian winners.

    My position as with Vietnam is rare -- because given colloquial understanding - it's just too inconvenient and costly to unravel and challenge that narrative. My disagreement with said narratives does not by definition make me a liar anymore than being accused on being a jew makes me a jew.


    Good grief.


    I think its high time for the Iranians to examine their own history of regime change and violent revolution --- the US should cease being a scapegoat for every state's dysfunctions, save when the data makes it clear.

    i.e. recent events: iraq, afghansyan, syria, libya, ukraine (less so)

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  82. L.K says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Ronald Thomas West wrote: "Many dirty deals had been born out of the Paris (October Surprise) meeting with the representatives of the Ayatollahs, where in the Middle East the habit is everyone back-stabs everyone…"

    Hi Ronald Thomas West,

    Referenced above, the "October Surprise," I assume you refer to Ronald Reagan's running mate, George H.W. Bush's (clandestine) meeting with Iranian officials prior to the election where President Jimmy Carter was narrowly defeated by voila, DECEPTION. Eh?

    Oh man... that shit has to be the Mother of All examples of ZUS presidential election "rigging" since the satanic Dealey Plaza coup, Elm Street, Dallas.

    (Zigh). A tad exasperated, I have yet to learn how & why the CIA / Mossad ever allowed information on the treasonous H.W. Bush meeting in Paris go (to some extent) PUBLIC. (Zigh)Unless of course they wanted it that way -- unaccountably rub shit in dumb goyim-voter faces.

    Unless it's mentioned in his memoir, I do not know anything about Jimmy Carter having issued a complaint / expose of the crime! He must be dedicated to Christian "forgiveness because at all special presidential gatherings, Jimmy Carter & G.H.W. Bush mugs appear smiling together in MSM pictures.

    So I have a question for you, Mr. West.

    At the time, did the GOP, Jewish Lobbies, and major billionaire donors simply not give a damn about rigging a mere ZUSA election?

    Subsequently, who leaked the Paris meeting's information & to whom?

    Will appreciate your (anyone!) making reply, comment response. Thanks. R.T.W.!!!

    In the meantime, I like videos and below, M.E.K. is (to some degree) out in-the-Light, discussed on the Corbett Show.

    https://youtu.be/kxwYaKkDH6o

    P.S.:
    A Tower of Babel sky-reaching "thanks" to Phil Giraldi!

    Hey Chuck,

    Good report by Corbett, thanks for sharing!

    Best regards

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  83. A, I have no objection to response — ever. i do challenge attributing arguments i am not making to me. For example, i never stated that islam promoted celibacy — nor did i suggest. repeating a position i did not make and have thoroughly rebutted — brings us back to square on. i did not claim, i did not suggest that Islam demanded celibacy. Claiming that i did now has as much value as it did when it was first stated — not. It was never pressed.

    B. What i did say was — I applaud the celibacy in reference to women of MEK, which based on a documentary I saw was a requirement for recruitment.

    C. In response to incorrect assertions about what I contended — all thus far inaccurate, i included some commentary on celibacy and islam. Those commentaries make it clear the role celibacy plays in islamic life and I noted it reflected my understanding based on conversations I have had with muslims.

    D. no apologies required as you have only advanced and addressed the very issues that have no bearing or reflection of anything I have said.

    And at the end of the discussions i have returned to the initial issue of the MEK in relationship regime change supported by the US. The word or idea tagging so as to malign another is quire a staple among commenters here — but i won’t pretend that it is innocent.

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  84. @L.K
    "As for the 1950′s coupe, that was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite blahb, blah, blah"

    You lying POS.

    Based on the released data — the role of the CIA was financial and some material. But that coupe could not have been accomplished if not for a effective Iranian organized and cohesive contingent.

    Even in examining the CIA’s acknowledgement of support, it’s clear that this was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite. Of course it makes sense to play down the Iranian role — I suspect enough heads have rolled. But when looking at what took place and how — this was impossible with insider opposition. Monet to grease the wheels, but even when the CIA wanted to backout – the iranians intended to move forward. And one of the agents on scene disobeyed the hold order and proceeded. The Iranians intended to move forward regardless and further revealing is the debate over who did what as to the specifics between the CIA and the Iranian winners.

    My position as with Vietnam is rare — because given colloquial understanding – it’s just too inconvenient and costly to unravel and challenge that narrative. My disagreement with said narratives does not by definition make me a liar anymore than being accused on being a jew makes me a jew.

    Good grief.

    I think its high time for the Iranians to examine their own history of regime change and violent revolution — the US should cease being a scapegoat for every state’s dysfunctions, save when the data makes it clear.

    i.e. recent events: iraq, afghansyan, syria, libya, ukraine (less so)

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    God, you are so full of sh*t!!

    Without the CIA/MI6 backing, there would have been no successful coup, period.
    It was essential.

    Keep obfuscating... that is your game & it is obvious.
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  85. Talha says:
    @Hessler
    >whether Salafis and Wahhabis are Sunnis is also up for debate

    What are you talking about ? The salafist ideology is the most purified form of monotheism in the entire world. While the Saudi Monarchs along with handful of elites have partially hi-jacked it and thrown rest of it into oblivion, it's still the most basic doctrine practised in the kingdom.

    My dear friend, I simply said it is up for debate. I cannot make that call, others – far more qualified than I – do. Unfortunately, many in the West assume the dichotomy in the major sects of Islam means that “Sunni” is equivalent to “not Shiah”. This is not the case; Sunnis (or Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama’a) have specific doctrines and methodologies. This is why, in the Amman Message, the Salafi were distinguished as a group and not simply assumed to be under the Sunni umbrella – this document was signed by major Salafi and Wahhabi scholars themselves:

    http://ammanmessage.com/

    The monotheism of Salafis and Wahhabis has never been in question. The closest school of law they adhere to is that of the Hanbali (with a very strong emphasis on the positions of Imam Ibn Taymiyyah [ra]) and they adhere to the creed as formulated by Imam Tahawi (ra); though some of their interpretations are a bit off from normative Sunni ones – especially those tending towards anthropomorphism.

    What sets them apart from the majority is what they themselves bring to the table; which is often a very charged and bitter my-way-or-the-highway approach to the religion. They are given to much arguing with people and have introduced a dangerous tendency among adherents where amateurs feel qualified to pass legal verdicts – especially in the realm of tossing accusations of takfir left and right. All of this has been recognized by some of their own scholars, if you know how significant Shaykh Albani (ra) was in the Salafi-Wahhabi circles, then it is worth reading his warnings to people who tread that path:

    https://thealbaanisite.com/2014/01/11/the-salafi-dawah-in-disarray-he-cant-even-recite-an-aayah-from-the-quraan-properly-even-if-the-noble-mushaf-were-open-in-front-of-him-let-alone-the-fact-that-he-will-make-man/

    I don’t have any personal grudge against many Salafis or Wahhabis and consider them my brothers in faith and will readily pray behind them (even though some might not pray behind me or even consider me Muslim). However, it cannot be overlooked that they have set in motion certain trends where seriously pathological and violent groups have emerged from among their ranks.

    Peace.

    Note: EliteComm gets props for citing an article by Shaykh Abdullah bin Hamid Ali; he is a solid young scholar and I keep up with his twitter feed (which I am very selective about and only follow 12 accounts).

    Second Note: I’m going to bow out from responding for about two weeks – apologies in advance.

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    Thank you for the reaction Talha, very informative. And kudos for not resorting to personal insults and hate instead on documented facts and references. I personally think that Salafist ideology is the most purified doctrine of monotheism in the entire world.

    May I ask what school of law/sect you adhere to ? If you feel okay to respond.
    , @RobinG
    Maybe in 2 weeks you'll reflect on the self-appointed internet scholars. (The Muslim equivalent of the Christian doomsday preachers?) Seems today was not the day of screams, after all.
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  86. @Hessler
    Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is. Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it's the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time.

    Clear and present danger —- is my position and even that is dicey.

    ideologically and long term strategic makes a lot of states enemies of the US — hence the democracy promotion by any means necessary.

    Problems: infeasible, unethical and damaging to the states advancing it — these kinds of global strategic aims are great on paper — lousy in application.

    ideologies shift, change and are subject to rebut through other means — I may have my suspicions and concerns about iran – but they are not a clear and present danger even ideologically.

    If you are going to advance this idea – then be honest, all muslim states are a danger in your view.

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    While I disagree.


    i understand your point of view and why you hold it.
    , @Hessler
    Although I'd agree to what you said, and I concur that muslims are not as clear and present danger to the western civilization as the jews are but still somewhere down the line, given the differences of the values and constitution/lifestyle emerging there from, you know Islam being anti-capitalistic, anti-sexist, west has to deal with this sooner or later.

    P.S Dealing doesn't mean winning, I think west will loose to Islamic civilization.
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  87. @Hessler
    Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is. Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it's the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time.

    i need to correct one view i expressed —

    you are being honest about the nature of what you think the threat is — all islam

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  88. @ChuckOrloski
    Ronald Thomas West commented: "the creep Giuliani is to be found wherever neocon world class crimes are perpetrated) but includes the human elements and a bit different angle on their history."

    Hi R.T.W.,

    Agreed on Rudy G. as a top ranked (Roman Catholic) "creep."

    There is another less well-known "creep" to the dumb goyim who might have well served as another "world class creep" in your writing.

    Remember Marc Rich, the high-rolling jailbird pardoned by POT(Z)USA "Slick Willie" Clinton? He's the Jew who brokered oil & weapons to Israel's "existential" enemy, Iran. Refer below WSJ column's "different angle" on Rich?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB982885815892990443

    Thanks, R.T.W.!

    Not contributing to Rupert Murdoch’s wallet (WSJ paywall) … bash the Jews all you like Chuck, there’s criminals aplenty there, Marc Rich is excellent example but without so-called ‘Christian’ support, e.g. Bush, Gates and company, or these days Mike Pompeo and associated morons, Zionism wouldn’t be/couldn’t be nearly so malignant. In any case criminals are endemic to society regardless of ethnicity or faith and I’m not one to get hung up in that aspect. It’s the criminals are the problem, not whether they are Mormons, Jews, or for that matter, hairy fishnuts or Moonies.

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    Ronald Thomas gave me "green light," wrote: "bash the Jews all you like Chuck, there’s criminals aplenty there, Marc Rich is excellent example."

    Above, am honored to get your approval, R.T.W. Thank you!

    Ronald Thomas West evidently tried to refresh my memory & wrote:
    "without so-called ‘Christian’ support, e.g. Bush, Gates and company, or these days Mike Pompeo and associated morons, Zionism wouldn’t be/couldn’t be nearly so malignant."

    Above, (zZigh) it took a lot of Jewish Lobby & billionaire bribe-money for Zionism to become so malignantly popular with the ZUS Christians named above, along with Legions of "moronic" others since the start of the 20th Century.

    (zzZigh) To conclude R.T.W. opined:
    "It's the criminals are the problem, not whether they are Mormons, Jew's, or for that matter, hairy fishnets or Moonies."

    Thanks very much for writing so plain-spoken (above) resulting in my now knowing where you are coming from! (zzzZigh)
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  89. L.K says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Based on the released data -- the role of the CIA was financial and some material. But that coupe could not have been accomplished if not for a effective Iranian organized and cohesive contingent.


    Even in examining the CIA's acknowledgement of support, it's clear that this was an inside job by the military and wealthy elite. Of course it makes sense to play down the Iranian role -- I suspect enough heads have rolled. But when looking at what took place and how --- this was impossible with insider opposition. Monet to grease the wheels, but even when the CIA wanted to backout - the iranians intended to move forward. And one of the agents on scene disobeyed the hold order and proceeded. The Iranians intended to move forward regardless and further revealing is the debate over who did what as to the specifics between the CIA and the Iranian winners.

    My position as with Vietnam is rare -- because given colloquial understanding - it's just too inconvenient and costly to unravel and challenge that narrative. My disagreement with said narratives does not by definition make me a liar anymore than being accused on being a jew makes me a jew.


    Good grief.


    I think its high time for the Iranians to examine their own history of regime change and violent revolution --- the US should cease being a scapegoat for every state's dysfunctions, save when the data makes it clear.

    i.e. recent events: iraq, afghansyan, syria, libya, ukraine (less so)

    God, you are so full of sh*t!!

    Without the CIA/MI6 backing, there would have been no successful coup, period.
    It was essential.

    Keep obfuscating… that is your game & it is obvious.

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    Read more and read with some discretion, as opposed to embracing what you want to reinforce. I once thought the matter as is understood —

    reading helps —

    There is no question that what GB and the US desired and what they supported. But there’s a reason the CIA has a very track record on internal coups. In the case of Iran — well old story new clothes.

    Read. Think. The CIA is good at some things — and others not so much. There was already a strong opposition — the CIA didn’t and couldn’t manufacture one.

    I tell you what explain why the Shah lost power and get back to me. If you get the major issue correct I might even consider jumping on the band wagon, I got off years ago.

    Laugh — probably not. Given that I have discussed this at length to include cites, I won’t bother to do it again
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  90. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hessler
    Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is. Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it's the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time.

    [Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is.]

    Shame on you illiterate and ignorant. I am afraid this site is full of trolls and illiterate people who illiterate about history and culture, yet dare to comment about things that know shit about.

    You should read history of science by George Sarton, to find out about the contribution of Muslims to science that you use. These books are not re-printed again because they want you stay as illiterate as you are to make stupid comments and make an idiot of yourself.

    http://muslimheritage.com/article/george-sarton-and-history-science

    And they use you as a foot soldier for their army to massacre Muslims that you have been doing for a long time and especially since the 9/11 where was a FALSE FLAG OPERATION designed and implemented by Neocon Bush and Israel to frame Muslims so to invade, massacre, loot, rape and change the geopolitical of the region for ‘world government’ where “greater Israel is embedded.

    You are fooled by Orientalist racists, go and read “orientalism” by Edward Said to find out why you are making such a racist comment. Islamic civilization is NOT a threat, but YOU ARE, imperialism and Zionism. The ISIS is NOT islamic. ISIS, Al Qaeda and more are creation of the axis of Evil US-Israel-Britain as a proxy to invade and create chaos so to fool the illiterate LIKE YOU.

    They don’t re-print so no one knows that YOUR BASIC sciences like Mathematics, and Medicine has been stolen from Islamic sciences like Avicenna , Razi. The only medical book used in western University was Avicenna’s CANON, Islamic.

    [The Canon of Medicine remained a medical authority for centuries. It set the standards for medicine in Medieval Europe and the Islamic world and was used as a standard medical textbook through the 18th century in Europe.]

    You the racist, should know that the Western music is build upon Islamic music (Persian) where it traveled from the Middle East to Spain and then into Italy and France. Flamingo music that your get erection from, is based on and influenced by Arabic music so Turkish.

    Instead of making racist and ignorant comments, read a little bit then comment. I know illiterate racist Americans, like your illiterate ‘president’ don’t like to read, even a report, just watching porno videos to get better at licking pussy.

    http://www.muslimheritage.com/article/muslim-musical-instruments-transmitted-europe

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    Your accusation of me being ignorant is an exercise in futility. While I may not be an expert on the issue at hand but I take extreme care in making sure that I talk within the orbit of my knowledge.

    First, I never said Islam is a defect. Just think about it, in the grand game of the civilizations, Islamic civilization is the finalist along with the western civilization. Obviously, they didn't make it to this point by doing "nothing". You don't need history lessons to be able to make that assessment.

    Second, I've seen lot's and lot's of documentaries (MVGroup, BTN, FTN, Feedthe.tv) of scientific history and I've concluded that the contributions of the Islamic civilization in the progress of the human race, not merely in science but also in finance, medicine, cosmology, legislation, arts, architecture, and all things really are superior to that of the west till date.

    There's a Boris Johnson 2 parts documentory about the contribution of the Islamic civilization. An eye opener for a common folk in the west as to how much advanced the Islamic civilization really was. Their lifestyle was also far superior compared to the west. Among the rise and fall of the different civilizations, Islamic civilization has the best run for 800 years. As Andrew Marr said "Islam didn't really expanded, it exploded" One of the reason why it was so successful in a short period of time is that and I quote Boris Johnson "Everyone wanted to be among the winners, to live a good life" again you really don't need historical details to make that out. Popular astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said in one of his shows "Arabic was the official language of science for 800 years"

    My conviction, give the credit where the credit is due....

    Although all this information is easily available for anyone looking, in the jewish controlled media, it's never advertised. Jews have made sure that no one in the west come to discover of what the Islamic civilization is capable of. The MSM portrays the muslims/Arabs as sub-human to support the Anglo-Zionaist war on the Islamic civilization. Among the 1001 lies that Jews told, one of which is they are smarter then the rest of the world. Jews also installed Feminism/Gayism in the western societies to make a culture-shock situation against the Islamic conviction for the support of their war.

    However, after all is said, you still haven't negated my assertion that Islamic civilization is a threat for western civilization.
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  91. Gotta love it when the Israeli puppets on Faux News, CNN, or the traitor scum in DC accuse Iran of being “the #1 sponsor of terror in the world”

    Once you figure out that the corrupt traitors always accuse the current “enemy” of being exactly what they themselves are, or doing the things that they themselves are doing, after you figure this out its pretty easy to see through the BS, to see the truth.

    America is so screwed, our “government” takes sides with the terrorists (Israel, Saudi) that have attacked and killed Americans, that kill Christians whole towns at a time in the Middle East, while they go to war against decent governments that are protecting their Christian minorities. Tells you all you need to know about DC and the military establishment. Sad!

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    Falling in the traps of the jews, West has become the victim of it's own evil. Just look at the Crusades, how the muslims were demonized with blatant lies. You can't wage war against the good people, that would be morally wrong, especially if you deem yourself to be good guys. So you need propaganda, lies and conceal the truth. And even before that, the whole modus operandi of Vatican Church was entirely based on deception and masquerade. West played the game of lies and lost to the hands of even bigger liars, the Jews.
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  92. L.K says:

    Acc to the ‘logic’ used by this “eliteCommInc” shill, nearly all the many documented US regime change ops, which generally, for obvious reasons, use local elements to implement the plans, do not count!

    It seems that only direct invasions, the exception not the rule, since much riskier, count!
    What a dishonest idiot.

    For those who wanna get a bit more acquainted with US regime change ops, a starting point should be “Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq”, by S. Kinzer.
    It covers Iran
    .

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    Explain why and how the Shah of Iran lost power --
    , @EliteCommInc.
    And there record of success is . . .

    I suggest you pick up a text on CIA ops. Add there are several, but the one I recommend is

    "Legacy of Ashes"
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  93. Read more and read with some discretion, as opposed to embracing what you want to reinforce. I once thought the matter as is understood —

    reading helps —

    There is no question that what GB and the US desired and what they supported. But there’s a reason the CIA has a very track record on internal coups. In the case of Iran — well old story new clothes.

    Read. Think. The CIA is good at some things — and others not so much. There was already a strong opposition — the CIA didn’t and couldn’t manufacture one.

    I tell you what explain why the Shah lost power and get back to me. If you get the major issue correct I might even consider jumping on the band wagon, I got off years ago.

    Laugh — probably not. Given that I have discussed this at length to include cites, I won’t bother to do it again.

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    But there’s a reason the CIA has a very weak/poor track record on internal coups.
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  94. @EliteCommInc.
    Clear and present danger ---- is my position and even that is dicey.

    ideologically and long term strategic makes a lot of states enemies of the US --- hence the democracy promotion by any means necessary.


    Problems: infeasible, unethical and damaging to the states advancing it --- these kinds of global strategic aims are great on paper -- lousy in application.


    ideologies shift, change and are subject to rebut through other means --- I may have my suspicions and concerns about iran - but they are not a clear and present danger even ideologically.


    If you are going to advance this idea - then be honest, all muslim states are a danger in your view.

    While I disagree.

    i understand your point of view and why you hold it.

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  95. @Hessler
    First,

    If anyone misunderstood anything, we clear it up. Apart from you and me, other people read this board too and form their opinions and if you've made an allegation, it deserves a response.

    Second,

    Celibacy is NOT encouraged, neither in muslim societies nor by the koran.

    "And do not forbid yourselves of the things God has allowed for you."--from Koran

    "I (God) injected the compassion and generocity in the hearts of the Christians, they made it a compulsion for themselves to not get married althought it was never forbidden for them to do so, then they couldn't keep patience and went astray on the wrong paths"-- from Koran

    "Your wives are like garments for you and you are for them"--from Koran

    So you understand the Koranic argument. It's encouraged to get married and fulfill you sexual needs.

    Third,

    I apologise, I misunderstood you.

    I keep misposting — excuse me. Not intentional

    A, I have no objection to response — ever. i do challenge attributing arguments i am not making to me. For example, i never stated that islam promoted celibacy — nor did i suggest. repeating a position i did not make and have thoroughly rebutted — brings us back to square on. i did not claim, i did not suggest that Islam demanded celibacy. Claiming that i did now has as much value as it did when it was first stated — not. It was never pressed.

    B. What i did say was — I applaud the celibacy in reference to women of MEK, which based on a documentary I saw was a requirement for recruitment.

    C. In response to incorrect assertions about what I contended — all thus far inaccurate, i included some commentary on celibacy and islam. Those commentaries make it clear the role celibacy plays in islamic life and I noted it reflected my understanding based on conversations I have had with muslims.

    D. no apologies required as you have only advanced and addressed the very issues that have no bearing or reflection of anything I have said.

    And at the end of the discussions i have returned to the initial issue of the MEK in relationship regime change supported by the US. The word or idea tagging so as to malign another is quire a staple among commenters here — but i won’t pretend that it is innocent.

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  96. @EliteCommInc.
    Read more and read with some discretion, as opposed to embracing what you want to reinforce. I once thought the matter as is understood ---


    reading helps --

    There is no question that what GB and the US desired and what they supported. But there's a reason the CIA has a very track record on internal coups. In the case of Iran -- well old story new clothes.


    Read. Think. The CIA is good at some things --- and others not so much. There was already a strong opposition -- the CIA didn't and couldn't manufacture one.

    I tell you what explain why the Shah lost power and get back to me. If you get the major issue correct I might even consider jumping on the band wagon, I got off years ago.

    Laugh -- probably not. Given that I have discussed this at length to include cites, I won't bother to do it again.

    But there’s a reason the CIA has a very weak/poor track record on internal coups.

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    In-and-out here on the celibacy issue, EliteComminc gets it up & minus depth, expelled:
    "But there’s a reason the CIA has a very weak/poor track record on internal coups."

    Hi EliteComminc,

    Your words above would disappoint the James Jesus Angleton-era CIA which, on November 23, 1963, helped manage the coup that toppled a U.S. president!

    Based upon a book written by Lisa Pease, below is posted quite a soft-expose on scary James Angleton's Israeli-friendly CIA career.

    F.y.i., EliteComminc as I understand peripheral matters, author Lisa Pease is dodgy on celibacy matters! (zzzZigh)

    https://youtu.be/zlE_9SJ6c1w

    Post scriptum:
    Peter Janney wrote a fine, easy-to-read, & daring book called "Mary's Mosaic."
    Of course EliteComminc gets excited about his passions, and for now, I will only say that author Peter Janney linked James Angleton with the Autumn 1964 killing of Mary Pinchot Meyer who was known to have a non-celibate affair with President JFK!
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  97. @Ronald Thomas West
    Not contributing to Rupert Murdoch's wallet (WSJ paywall) ... bash the Jews all you like Chuck, there's criminals aplenty there, Marc Rich is excellent example but without so-called 'Christian' support, e.g. Bush, Gates and company, or these days Mike Pompeo and associated morons, Zionism wouldn't be/couldn't be nearly so malignant. In any case criminals are endemic to society regardless of ethnicity or faith and I'm not one to get hung up in that aspect. It's the criminals are the problem, not whether they are Mormons, Jews, or for that matter, hairy fishnuts or Moonies.

    Ronald Thomas gave me “green light,” wrote: “bash the Jews all you like Chuck, there’s criminals aplenty there, Marc Rich is excellent example.”

    Above, am honored to get your approval, R.T.W. Thank you!

    Ronald Thomas West evidently tried to refresh my memory & wrote:
    “without so-called ‘Christian’ support, e.g. Bush, Gates and company, or these days Mike Pompeo and associated morons, Zionism wouldn’t be/couldn’t be nearly so malignant.”

    Above, (zZigh) it took a lot of Jewish Lobby & billionaire bribe-money for Zionism to become so malignantly popular with the ZUS Christians named above, along with Legions of “moronic” others since the start of the 20th Century.

    (zzZigh) To conclude R.T.W. opined:
    “It’s the criminals are the problem, not whether they are Mormons, Jew’s, or for that matter, hairy fishnets or Moonies.”

    Thanks very much for writing so plain-spoken (above) resulting in my now knowing where you are coming from! (zzzZigh)

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  98. L.K says:
    @Hessler
    Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is. Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it's the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time.

    Hessler: ‘Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is.”

    Lemme correct that for ya… Iran is NOT a threat to the ZUS at all… unless the ZUS makes the mistake to attack Iran.
    “Islamic civilization” is also NOT a threat to the ZUS… as for spineless puppet Europe, the threat only exists because of the general unwillingness of the EU ZUS puppet regimes to secure borders, or, in the case of some former huge colonial empires, like ZUK, bc of their own immigration policies…
    This is compounded by Europe’s subservience to the ZUS destabilizing ME wars, which generate large numbers of displaced people, many of whom then proceed to try to get into Europe.
    In the case of Turkey opening the floodgates, it’s pretty certain the US participated in it, to foster a strategy of tension in Europe.

    hessler: ‘Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it’s the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time.”

    If you are implying the wars in the MENA are some kind of preemptive attacks against an Islamic civilization ‘threat’, that is a laughable and totally preposterous idea.

    The Zio-american wars in the MENA are part of the fraudulent war on terror, itself based on the 9/11 Zionist false flag & they are carried out to weaken and break up states in order to improve Israel’s position in the region.

    The Israeli Origin of 9/11 and the War on Terror by author C. Bollyn

    http://bollyn.com/#article_15904

    Both 9/11 and the War on Terror are products of Israeli military intelligence. 9/11 was meant to start the War on Terror. Understanding the Israeli origin of both is key to understanding the deception.

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    You are right L.K and I agree but what do you think are the interests of west in the security of Israel ? And war on Terror ? What do you think they got togther to accomlish what ?
    , @RobinG

    ...Europe’s subservience to the ZUS destabilizing ME wars...
     
    Not just subservience, complicity. And they reap what they sow. They say there are 500 new migrants in Paris every [week?]. Just deserts.
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  99. @L.K
    Acc to the 'logic' used by this "eliteCommInc" shill, nearly all the many documented US regime change ops, which generally, for obvious reasons, use local elements to implement the plans, do not count!

    It seems that only direct invasions, the exception not the rule, since much riskier, count!
    What a dishonest idiot.

    For those who wanna get a bit more acquainted with US regime change ops, a starting point should be "Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq", by S. Kinzer.
    It covers Iran
    .

    Explain why and how the Shah of Iran lost power –

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    • Replies: @EliteComminc.
    Ah . . . an in depth reply.


    Your due diligence is noted.
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  100. @L.K
    God, you are so full of sh*t!!

    Without the CIA/MI6 backing, there would have been no successful coup, period.
    It was essential.

    Keep obfuscating... that is your game & it is obvious.

    Read more and read with some discretion, as opposed to embracing what you want to reinforce. I once thought the matter as is understood —

    reading helps —

    There is no question that what GB and the US desired and what they supported. But there’s a reason the CIA has a very track record on internal coups. In the case of Iran — well old story new clothes.

    Read. Think. The CIA is good at some things — and others not so much. There was already a strong opposition — the CIA didn’t and couldn’t manufacture one.

    I tell you what explain why the Shah lost power and get back to me. If you get the major issue correct I might even consider jumping on the band wagon, I got off years ago.

    Laugh — probably not. Given that I have discussed this at length to include cites, I won’t bother to do it again

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  101. @L.K
    Acc to the 'logic' used by this "eliteCommInc" shill, nearly all the many documented US regime change ops, which generally, for obvious reasons, use local elements to implement the plans, do not count!

    It seems that only direct invasions, the exception not the rule, since much riskier, count!
    What a dishonest idiot.

    For those who wanna get a bit more acquainted with US regime change ops, a starting point should be "Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq", by S. Kinzer.
    It covers Iran
    .

    And there record of success is . . .

    I suggest you pick up a text on CIA ops. Add there are several, but the one I recommend is

    “Legacy of Ashes”

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  102. @EliteCommInc.
    But there’s a reason the CIA has a very weak/poor track record on internal coups.

    In-and-out here on the celibacy issue, EliteComminc gets it up & minus depth, expelled:
    “But there’s a reason the CIA has a very weak/poor track record on internal coups.”

    Hi EliteComminc,

    Your words above would disappoint the James Jesus Angleton-era CIA which, on November 23, 1963, helped manage the coup that toppled a U.S. president!

    Based upon a book written by Lisa Pease, below is posted quite a soft-expose on scary James Angleton’s Israeli-friendly CIA career.

    F.y.i., EliteComminc as I understand peripheral matters, author Lisa Pease is dodgy on celibacy matters! (zzzZigh)

    Post scriptum:
    Peter Janney wrote a fine, easy-to-read, & daring book called “Mary’s Mosaic.”
    Of course EliteComminc gets excited about his passions, and for now, I will only say that author Peter Janney linked James Angleton with the Autumn 1964 killing of Mary Pinchot Meyer who was known to have a non-celibate affair with President JFK!

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  103. PHIL GIRALDI, someone I respected immensely has lost all perspective on Iran. He sounds like a paid for agent.

    But the Rouhani MEK “reformists” are to be believed?

    Iran is every bit as corrupt, lying and devious as every other despot in the region.

    As if Iran does not have aspirations for itself as a regional super power. Egged on by Swiss and German bankers. Watch the below video. You will see how Israel and the ZOG U.S are coddling Rouhani and Iran. Co-operating with Russia.

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    PHIL GIRALDI... sounds like a paid for agent.
     
    Had no idea. I’ve been reading Giraldi’s articles for the past 4 years. Glad you came along to straighten things out for us. Thanks! (sarcasm off)
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  104. i am unfamiliar with Ms/Mrs Pease. But it is my understanding among the salient theories of the murder of President Kennedy — that the mafia is responsible. All round tragic business — whoever is responsible.

    I have no doubt that may CIA enthusiasts and employees, take issue with my view.

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    I heard he was killed by a drunk driver? The mafia is a cover story.

    Maybe you could make a successful YouTube channel out of it all?
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  105. geokat62 says:
    @Brendon O'Connell
    PHIL GIRALDI, someone I respected immensely has lost all perspective on Iran. He sounds like a paid for agent.

    But the Rouhani MEK "reformists" are to be believed?

    Iran is every bit as corrupt, lying and devious as every other despot in the region.

    As if Iran does not have aspirations for itself as a regional super power. Egged on by Swiss and German bankers. Watch the below video. You will see how Israel and the ZOG U.S are coddling Rouhani and Iran. Co-operating with Russia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ce3N1lAjg

    PHIL GIRALDI… sounds like a paid for agent.

    Had no idea. I’ve been reading Giraldi’s articles for the past 4 years. Glad you came along to straighten things out for us. Thanks! (sarcasm off)

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    His love affair with Iran is ridiculous.

    Unlike you, I've actually been there. They don't discuss Israel internally - they discuss Saudi and The Gulf States. They want to take down Saudi - not Israel. Rouhani works for Israel via the Swiss and German Jewish banks that are funding the $5 billion a year "invasion" of the Arab Middle East with liquid cash injections.

    I was working with government analysts at The Persian Gulf Studies Center.

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.

    There has only been one time in Iran's history when it did not work with Israel, and that was under President Mamoud Armedinejad. When he pulled the plug he was surrounded by Rouhani and Rafsanjani lackey Swiss banker crooks. His scientists were targeted and military bases blown as well as The Stuxnet virus.

    When he organized a "Holocaust Conference", well...that was it...

    In the end Israel collapsed the Riall and took down the economy.

    I was in Iran from late October 2016 to January 2017. There were clearly ZERO meaningful sanctions on Iran. Luxury goods everywhere. Building everywhere. When i asked the lawyer assigned to me for my political asylum application where were all the sanctions he said, "This is the Silk Road baby, they can never stop the flow."

    Huge tankers filled with oil run to Germany every week. Never stopped. The cash has never been stopped. The interference in the Middle East is deeply unpopular by the population who would like the $5 billion back in iran.

    Iranians riot over the price of eggs and cost of living - you appear to think it would be difficult to take down Iran economically when they are not even enforcing the supposed "sanctions" they have on right now?

    Iran is a joke militarily - dependent on China and Russia who in turn rely on Israel to steal their tech for them.

    What Iran does have is a committed core of militia's and IRGC.

    Here is a list of articles from The Times Of Israel detailing Israel's LONG technological involvement with China. You tell me how this self evident collusion ties in with Middle East events, particularly as Russian Jewish Israeli gangsters PILE their drug money into Israeli banks. The Belt & Road Initiative and the fact Israel is BRAGGING it is supplying the high tech for all of it AND heading the BRICS, cyber security...

    LIST OF CHINA ARTICLES - ISRAEL
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/china-israel-technology/#

    Despite the simple self evident fact Israel is heading the whole damned FRAUD that is this Middle East break up - colluding heavily with Russia, China AND Iran to get the job done - it will not matter to the true believers who swallow the "alt-media" narrative fed by "experts" like Giraldi who will NEVER utter the words, "The Talpiot program", NOR make ANY comment of the "Technology Juggernaught" that Israel has become and HOW that affects the narrative of the unfolding Middle East catastrophe.

    Netanyahu is BRAGGING in plain view - Giraldi has ZERO to say on this subject.

    NETANYAHU BRAGS AT AIPAC - ISRAEL IS AN UNSTOPPABLE WORLD TECHNOLOGY POWER
    https://youtu.be/2HQu6cRhSs8

    I had alot to say on this subject since 2007.

    In 2011 I went to jail for three years over it. The Israeli Ambassador and Israeli deputy Foreign Minister came out against me - Giraldi...ZERO to say about it. Maybe Giraldi, is just another Jesuit faker Catholic? Likes his socialism and free stuff? Would prefer to live in wonderful free and democratic Putin'land? The same Russia DEEP in bed with Netanyahu.

    ISRAEL'S SECRET WEAPON - THE TALPIOT PROGRAM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYE9UgmVrfU
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Hi geokat,

    I regret Brendon McConnell's disrespectful attitude in his asserting Phil Giraldi has a "love affair" with Iran.

    For greater than 30 years, I studied Russian history, Politics in the USSR, to the present.

    Although the nation is far from perfect, and not "Exceptional" like ZUS-zealots boast, I must admit to having a "love affair" with Russia.

    However, geokat, and as you're likely aware, it appears Netanyahu is making progress with having Putin's military stand- down and open up eastern Syria/Golan Heights for Zionist occupation.

    (Zigh)

    Below is more bad news reporting that the Russian oligarch Abramovich has become an Israeli citizen.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-oligarch-abramovich-becomes-israeli-citizen/29255697.html

    Not succumbing to abject pessimism, but even Russia is controlled by International Jewry. We are fucked and Giraldi-ites best dig in for a long battle!

    Thank you.
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  106. @EliteCommInc.
    Explain why and how the Shah of Iran lost power --

    Ah . . . an in depth reply.

    Your due diligence is noted.

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    See above.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Am uncertain, EliteComminc might have directed the following words at me:
    "Ah . . . an in depth reply.
    Your due diligence is noted."

    Hi EliteComminc,

    Below is a video on James Douglass's very important book titled, "JFK & The Unspeakable" which was positively reviewed by Paul Craig Roberts.

    F.y.i., CIA gets hit with the backward head-exhaust of Kennedy's blood!

    https://youtu.be/srstQVfVNEM
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  107. Are we that desperate to serve the Zionists. Never in history has such a powerful nation and its ” allies ” succumbed to a tiny infectious parasite as we have after WWll .
    Driving themselves crazy to satisfy a “wondering tribe ” of “carpet beggars ” who have always relied on their “host” victims to survive. Parasites can’t survive on their own. Their agenda is to have the whole world to feed on. Fortunately they have found infected victims to do their bidding for them, as never before during their whole existence .
    There are creatures in the wild that do exactly as this behavior after being infected. Mostly it involves fungus and some insects.
    We shouldn’t be surprised by DJT’ s behavior. He was set up to do exactly what he’s doing. We goyim still think he’s serving America. Fooled us with the Swamp talk. What do we have now? Bolton, Netanyahu….Kushner? MEK????
    The most anti mullah regime people in and outside Iran, have unmeasurable hate towards this treacherous group. The mullah are way preferred to this cult. Of course, unless the US and their buddies, the MEK, want to rule an empty country. And there’s no nation in ME whose people have such passionate love for their nation as Iranians do. Dynasties have come and gone, but Iran and its people are still there. They won’t forgive the MEK for siding with an enemy that invaded their country, and was claiming part of it (Khuzestan). They helped the enemy in the destruction of their homeland, aided in rapping their mothers, sisters, daughters, and Trump, Bolton, and the rest of the cabals think they will change Iran. With these traitors? They are about to create hatred that was never there . One need not be an Iranian to see thru MEK treachery.
    The only people that will back such a group are those who want to see the total annihilation of this fine race, the cradle of Aryan civilization.
    Well, who might that be?

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    Hi TruthtellerAryan,

    Not long ago I hated alcohol because of what it does to the body and mind, how it influence the human behavior. I had a neighbour who was alcoholic to his bones. I use to hate him more then I hated anyone. I wanted satisfaction, one without the icurring reactions so I turned to sprituality but it required a cost, way above then what I could pay. So instead I caved in and turned to alcohol for the satisfaction I was looking for. The neighbour that I hated became my best friend. I had to get close to him because of his connections to acquire the stuff at special discount, his knowledge about the use and effects of alcohol. It was the friendship born out of necessity. It had nothing to do with respect or emotions.

    I'm the west. The neighbour is the Jew. The alcohol is the money supply. Satisfaction is the world domination.

    , @Frankie P
    The white American goy is the most gullible, naive creature the world has even knows. This has been compounded by years of misdirection and propaganda from Jewish controlled media and academia.
    This guileless idiot will need some serious hardship to wake him up from his slumber, search out the root of the hardship, and find the coast to coast support for Jews and Israel. Fortunately for him, that support, as wide as the borders of his land, is only 1mm thick. The rending of it and subsequent ramifications will be satisfying to watch.
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  108. RobinG says:
    @Hessler
    I was thinking just the same thing. What I've understood with my little knowledge about the Iranians is that the majority of them are neolibrals who don't want religion to govern their lives. Their values are western oriented. If any regime installs Capitalism/Sexism, you wouldn't see the resistance you would expect to see from a conservative muslim society. West knows this and this is why they believe that the regime change in the favor of western values will be successful in Iran. The Iranian version of Islamic ideology (Shiite) was hijacked from the days of Ummayd. Shiite's, unlike their sunni counterparts don't need to act in a rightous way as determined by the koran. They like the Christians, believe that they have a direct pass to paradise regardless of their deeds, so there's no obligation to the religion or it's constitution which current regime upholds. I've always assumed that these MEK's are just the more extreme version of that Iranian fraction.

    How can anyone take you seriously when you say something like this …

    They like the Christians, believe that they have a direct pass to paradise regardless of their deeds

    Is your knowledge of other religions equally lacking?

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    Hi RobinG,

    Is it not true, that Christians have the security for their souls with guaranteed surety as long as they fulfill just one criteria, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ?

    for whatever the other stuff you read in the Gospel regarding righteousness is bluff. Why anyone would give a fuck about the deeds when abstaining from pleasures and indulging in pleasures land you in the exact same place i.e the paradise. That's not how the human consciousness works.
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  109. @geokat62

    PHIL GIRALDI... sounds like a paid for agent.
     
    Had no idea. I’ve been reading Giraldi’s articles for the past 4 years. Glad you came along to straighten things out for us. Thanks! (sarcasm off)

    His love affair with Iran is ridiculous.

    Unlike you, I’ve actually been there. They don’t discuss Israel internally – they discuss Saudi and The Gulf States. They want to take down Saudi – not Israel. Rouhani works for Israel via the Swiss and German Jewish banks that are funding the $5 billion a year “invasion” of the Arab Middle East with liquid cash injections.

    I was working with government analysts at The Persian Gulf Studies Center.

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.

    There has only been one time in Iran’s history when it did not work with Israel, and that was under President Mamoud Armedinejad. When he pulled the plug he was surrounded by Rouhani and Rafsanjani lackey Swiss banker crooks. His scientists were targeted and military bases blown as well as The Stuxnet virus.

    When he organized a “Holocaust Conference”, well…that was it…

    In the end Israel collapsed the Riall and took down the economy.

    I was in Iran from late October 2016 to January 2017. There were clearly ZERO meaningful sanctions on Iran. Luxury goods everywhere. Building everywhere. When i asked the lawyer assigned to me for my political asylum application where were all the sanctions he said, “This is the Silk Road baby, they can never stop the flow.”

    Huge tankers filled with oil run to Germany every week. Never stopped. The cash has never been stopped. The interference in the Middle East is deeply unpopular by the population who would like the $5 billion back in iran.

    Iranians riot over the price of eggs and cost of living – you appear to think it would be difficult to take down Iran economically when they are not even enforcing the supposed “sanctions” they have on right now?

    Iran is a joke militarily – dependent on China and Russia who in turn rely on Israel to steal their tech for them.

    What Iran does have is a committed core of militia’s and IRGC.

    Here is a list of articles from The Times Of Israel detailing Israel’s LONG technological involvement with China. You tell me how this self evident collusion ties in with Middle East events, particularly as Russian Jewish Israeli gangsters PILE their drug money into Israeli banks. The Belt & Road Initiative and the fact Israel is BRAGGING it is supplying the high tech for all of it AND heading the BRICS, cyber security…

    LIST OF CHINA ARTICLES – ISRAEL

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/china-israel-technology/#

    Despite the simple self evident fact Israel is heading the whole damned FRAUD that is this Middle East break up – colluding heavily with Russia, China AND Iran to get the job done – it will not matter to the true believers who swallow the “alt-media” narrative fed by “experts” like Giraldi who will NEVER utter the words, “The Talpiot program”, NOR make ANY comment of the “Technology Juggernaught” that Israel has become and HOW that affects the narrative of the unfolding Middle East catastrophe.

    Netanyahu is BRAGGING in plain view – Giraldi has ZERO to say on this subject.

    NETANYAHU BRAGS AT AIPAC – ISRAEL IS AN UNSTOPPABLE WORLD TECHNOLOGY POWER

    I had alot to say on this subject since 2007.

    In 2011 I went to jail for three years over it. The Israeli Ambassador and Israeli deputy Foreign Minister came out against me – Giraldi…ZERO to say about it. Maybe Giraldi, is just another Jesuit faker Catholic? Likes his socialism and free stuff? Would prefer to live in wonderful free and democratic Putin’land? The same Russia DEEP in bed with Netanyahu.

    ISRAEL’S SECRET WEAPON – THE TALPIOT PROGRAM

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    If a nuclear device is "lit off" in an American or European city, it will have Israel's fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian "peace process" that the world wants it to take seriously.

    In fact, if a nuclear device is "lit off" anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel's secret nuclear "stockpile".

    The "power outage" in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical "sleight of hand", as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the "power outage" without receiving customs clearance or inspection. This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a "special exemption" granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel's nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for "the big one". As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel's benefit, another "incident" on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel's benefit. Israel's "samson option" is a real threat to "light one off" in a European or American city, if Israel's interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets "foreign aid" in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…
    , @RobinG

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.
     
    What happened? Did they discover you were a bullshitter?
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  110. @EliteComminc.
    Ah . . . an in depth reply.


    Your due diligence is noted.

    See above.

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  111. @EliteComminc.
    i am unfamiliar with Ms/Mrs Pease. But it is my understanding among the salient theories of the murder of President Kennedy -- that the mafia is responsible. All round tragic business -- whoever is responsible.


    I have no doubt that may CIA enthusiasts and employees, take issue with my view.

    I heard he was killed by a drunk driver? The mafia is a cover story.

    Maybe you could make a successful YouTube channel out of it all?

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  112. @EliteComminc.
    Ah . . . an in depth reply.


    Your due diligence is noted.

    Am uncertain, EliteComminc might have directed the following words at me:
    “Ah . . . an in depth reply.
    Your due diligence is noted.”

    Hi EliteComminc,

    Below is a video on James Douglass’s very important book titled, “JFK & The Unspeakable” which was positively reviewed by Paul Craig Roberts.

    F.y.i., CIA gets hit with the backward head-exhaust of Kennedy’s blood!

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  113. @geokat62

    PHIL GIRALDI... sounds like a paid for agent.
     
    Had no idea. I’ve been reading Giraldi’s articles for the past 4 years. Glad you came along to straighten things out for us. Thanks! (sarcasm off)

    Hi geokat,

    I regret Brendon McConnell’s disrespectful attitude in his asserting Phil Giraldi has a “love affair” with Iran.

    For greater than 30 years, I studied Russian history, Politics in the USSR, to the present.

    Although the nation is far from perfect, and not “Exceptional” like ZUS-zealots boast, I must admit to having a “love affair” with Russia.

    However, geokat, and as you’re likely aware, it appears Netanyahu is making progress with having Putin’s military stand- down and open up eastern Syria/Golan Heights for Zionist occupation.

    (Zigh)

    Below is more bad news reporting that the Russian oligarch Abramovich has become an Israeli citizen.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-oligarch-abramovich-becomes-israeli-citizen/29255697.html

    Not succumbing to abject pessimism, but even Russia is controlled by International Jewry. We are fucked and Giraldi-ites best dig in for a long battle!

    Thank you.

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    I regret Brendon McConnell’s disrespectful attitude in his asserting Phil Giraldi has a “love affair” with Iran.
     
    Hey, Chuck. I must say this Brendon McConnell is an intriguing character. Too early to tell what his angle is. The more he posts, the more he’ll reveal it.

    Not succumbing to abject pessimism, but even Russia is controlled by International Jewry. We are fucked and Giraldi-ites best dig in for a long battle!
     
    A long battle, indeed, Chuck. And as Phil admonished us, we need to stick together... all us “comrade in arms,” that is.
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  114. Hessler says:
    @Talha
    My dear friend, I simply said it is up for debate. I cannot make that call, others - far more qualified than I - do. Unfortunately, many in the West assume the dichotomy in the major sects of Islam means that "Sunni" is equivalent to "not Shiah". This is not the case; Sunnis (or Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama'a) have specific doctrines and methodologies. This is why, in the Amman Message, the Salafi were distinguished as a group and not simply assumed to be under the Sunni umbrella - this document was signed by major Salafi and Wahhabi scholars themselves:
    http://ammanmessage.com/

    The monotheism of Salafis and Wahhabis has never been in question. The closest school of law they adhere to is that of the Hanbali (with a very strong emphasis on the positions of Imam Ibn Taymiyyah [ra]) and they adhere to the creed as formulated by Imam Tahawi (ra); though some of their interpretations are a bit off from normative Sunni ones - especially those tending towards anthropomorphism.

    What sets them apart from the majority is what they themselves bring to the table; which is often a very charged and bitter my-way-or-the-highway approach to the religion. They are given to much arguing with people and have introduced a dangerous tendency among adherents where amateurs feel qualified to pass legal verdicts - especially in the realm of tossing accusations of takfir left and right. All of this has been recognized by some of their own scholars, if you know how significant Shaykh Albani (ra) was in the Salafi-Wahhabi circles, then it is worth reading his warnings to people who tread that path:
    https://thealbaanisite.com/2014/01/11/the-salafi-dawah-in-disarray-he-cant-even-recite-an-aayah-from-the-quraan-properly-even-if-the-noble-mushaf-were-open-in-front-of-him-let-alone-the-fact-that-he-will-make-man/

    I don't have any personal grudge against many Salafis or Wahhabis and consider them my brothers in faith and will readily pray behind them (even though some might not pray behind me or even consider me Muslim). However, it cannot be overlooked that they have set in motion certain trends where seriously pathological and violent groups have emerged from among their ranks.

    Peace.

    Note: EliteComm gets props for citing an article by Shaykh Abdullah bin Hamid Ali; he is a solid young scholar and I keep up with his twitter feed (which I am very selective about and only follow 12 accounts).

    Second Note: I'm going to bow out from responding for about two weeks - apologies in advance.

    Thank you for the reaction Talha, very informative. And kudos for not resorting to personal insults and hate instead on documented facts and references. I personally think that Salafist ideology is the most purified doctrine of monotheism in the entire world.

    May I ask what school of law/sect you adhere to ? If you feel okay to respond.

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  115. Hessler says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Clear and present danger ---- is my position and even that is dicey.

    ideologically and long term strategic makes a lot of states enemies of the US --- hence the democracy promotion by any means necessary.


    Problems: infeasible, unethical and damaging to the states advancing it --- these kinds of global strategic aims are great on paper -- lousy in application.


    ideologies shift, change and are subject to rebut through other means --- I may have my suspicions and concerns about iran - but they are not a clear and present danger even ideologically.


    If you are going to advance this idea - then be honest, all muslim states are a danger in your view.

    Although I’d agree to what you said, and I concur that muslims are not as clear and present danger to the western civilization as the jews are but still somewhere down the line, given the differences of the values and constitution/lifestyle emerging there from, you know Islam being anti-capitalistic, anti-sexist, west has to deal with this sooner or later.

    P.S Dealing doesn’t mean winning, I think west will loose to Islamic civilization.

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    Hessler opined:
    "... I think west will loose (lose?) to Islamic civilization."

    Fascinating stuff, Hessler! Sounds like something Oswald Spengler might have said during either bouts with dementia or while "down & out" at a beer hall.

    (zzZigh)

    Hm. Suppose Jewish resort-outposts in New York's Catskill Mountains and uptown Miami will be among the last ZUSA territories that fall to Islamic conquest?

    (zzzZigh)

    Wonder if Brighton Beach hold-outs will cooperate with a D.C.-based NeoSultan administration, resuscitate a Jewish Lobby, and avoid having to register as an "agent of a foreign government?"

    What do you think, Hessler? Thanks!
    , @EliteCommInc.
    laugh . . .

    I don't think I made any claims that Jews were a threat to the US, certainly not a clear and present danger. I think US policy is too wedded to jewish as they relate to Israeli interests beyond what is helpful to the US.

    Muslims are quite agreeable to making a dollar, but I think as with many, including many Jews, they think of capitalism as mercantilism -- they are not the same thing. Both rely on texts beyond scripture for basic rules concerning honest dealings and accountability.

    Our system while it is losing tough with both, has foundation underpinnings to accountability, and honest dealings.

    how limiting the practice of islam is to women depends on where one is practicing islam. One Pres hussein's issues among muslims, was that he was allowed a lot of women in places of political, economic and intellectual arenas -- though not just him -- but the society as a whole. There are a lot of outspoken muslim women.


    Given the rise of other societies, in a form the west may lose. Anything is possible -- with the caveat of -- what winning means. i was giving a session once to a group of marines and let slip the idea that the US might nor even exist in the future --- it just came out -- i was back peddling like a duck to ut in context. But in the US our dissipation will be done in by ourselves. And sadly, millions of US citizens are aiding in that process, including political, economic and educational and religious leaders. And it need not be.

    Talking about clear and present dangers to people who either don't recognize it or simply don't care enough to prevent it as they invite those dangers in --- is hard work. I voted for Pres Trump because I thought he got. He doesn't, in my view.

    because anything is possible, I have to conceded that the west, the US, might lose. If so, it will nor be because we didn't topple enough islamic states.

    someday we may just here . . . "USINO"


    Grand narratives of civilizations . . .

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  116. Hessler says:
    @anonymous
    [Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is.]

    Shame on you illiterate and ignorant. I am afraid this site is full of trolls and illiterate people who illiterate about history and culture, yet dare to comment about things that know shit about.

    You should read history of science by George Sarton, to find out about the contribution of Muslims to science that you use. These books are not re-printed again because they want you stay as illiterate as you are to make stupid comments and make an idiot of yourself.

    http://muslimheritage.com/article/george-sarton-and-history-science

    And they use you as a foot soldier for their army to massacre Muslims that you have been doing for a long time and especially since the 9/11 where was a FALSE FLAG OPERATION designed and implemented by Neocon Bush and Israel to frame Muslims so to invade, massacre, loot, rape and change the geopolitical of the region for 'world government' where "greater Israel is embedded.

    You are fooled by Orientalist racists, go and read "orientalism" by Edward Said to find out why you are making such a racist comment. Islamic civilization is NOT a threat, but YOU ARE, imperialism and Zionism. The ISIS is NOT islamic. ISIS, Al Qaeda and more are creation of the axis of Evil US-Israel-Britain as a proxy to invade and create chaos so to fool the illiterate LIKE YOU.

    They don't re-print so no one knows that YOUR BASIC sciences like Mathematics, and Medicine has been stolen from Islamic sciences like Avicenna , Razi. The only medical book used in western University was Avicenna's CANON, Islamic.

    [The Canon of Medicine remained a medical authority for centuries. It set the standards for medicine in Medieval Europe and the Islamic world and was used as a standard medical textbook through the 18th century in Europe.]

    You the racist, should know that the Western music is build upon Islamic music (Persian) where it traveled from the Middle East to Spain and then into Italy and France. Flamingo music that your get erection from, is based on and influenced by Arabic music so Turkish.

    Instead of making racist and ignorant comments, read a little bit then comment. I know illiterate racist Americans, like your illiterate 'president' don't like to read, even a report, just watching porno videos to get better at licking pussy.



    http://www.muslimheritage.com/article/muslim-musical-instruments-transmitted-europe

    Your accusation of me being ignorant is an exercise in futility. While I may not be an expert on the issue at hand but I take extreme care in making sure that I talk within the orbit of my knowledge.

    First, I never said Islam is a defect. Just think about it, in the grand game of the civilizations, Islamic civilization is the finalist along with the western civilization. Obviously, they didn’t make it to this point by doing “nothing”. You don’t need history lessons to be able to make that assessment.

    Second, I’ve seen lot’s and lot’s of documentaries (MVGroup, BTN, FTN, Feedthe.tv) of scientific history and I’ve concluded that the contributions of the Islamic civilization in the progress of the human race, not merely in science but also in finance, medicine, cosmology, legislation, arts, architecture, and all things really are superior to that of the west till date.

    There’s a Boris Johnson 2 parts documentory about the contribution of the Islamic civilization. An eye opener for a common folk in the west as to how much advanced the Islamic civilization really was. Their lifestyle was also far superior compared to the west. Among the rise and fall of the different civilizations, Islamic civilization has the best run for 800 years. As Andrew Marr said “Islam didn’t really expanded, it exploded” One of the reason why it was so successful in a short period of time is that and I quote Boris Johnson “Everyone wanted to be among the winners, to live a good life” again you really don’t need historical details to make that out. Popular astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said in one of his shows “Arabic was the official language of science for 800 years”

    My conviction, give the credit where the credit is due….

    Although all this information is easily available for anyone looking, in the jewish controlled media, it’s never advertised. Jews have made sure that no one in the west come to discover of what the Islamic civilization is capable of. The MSM portrays the muslims/Arabs as sub-human to support the Anglo-Zionaist war on the Islamic civilization. Among the 1001 lies that Jews told, one of which is they are smarter then the rest of the world. Jews also installed Feminism/Gayism in the western societies to make a culture-shock situation against the Islamic conviction for the support of their war.

    However, after all is said, you still haven’t negated my assertion that Islamic civilization is a threat for western civilization.

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    [However, after all is said, you still haven’t negated my assertion that Islamic civilization is a threat for western civilization.]

    I assume by saying ‘Islam’ is a threat, you mean Islamic civilization is a threat to Western civilization, which this is called ‘the clash of Civilizations’ theory HOAX by Samuel Huntington/Bernard Lewis to frighten Western population not knowing about the history of Christianity and the West against the rest make them frighten. This hoax theory appeared after the end of COLD WAR to keep the population active and on board to achieve the final destiny, the world hegemony.

    In Huntington’s view, China’s rise is problematic because is going to assert itself as the regional hegemon and then other countries and civilization, Islamic, will join china to bring Western hegemony down.

    Look, The western empire, British then and American now always has used Muslims as food soldiers to expand their empire. In India, they used Muslims to expand their influence and topple Mutual empire and outlawed their language, which is Persian, and then divided the country to weaken India as a threat. The west has influenced Islamic civilization for many centuries and they have a lot in common contrary to your thinking that they ‘are enemies’.
    This HOAX theory was pushed to keep the Western population in check, to bring them on board for their wars against a straw man, Muslims, for expansion of their influence and final destiny, hegemony over the world.

    Of course, no empire stays as ‘empire’ forever and eventually go down. American empire for sure is declining, but I assure you that the replacement will not be ‘Islamic’, although Muslims have the population, resources and human capital to achieve it. Have you seen Islamic world as divided and powerless as today? The clash of civilization HOAX theory wants to weaken all Islamic countries for its goal, where in my opinion is a mistake.

    It is true that American Empire is declining for some times now. These wars actually helps its own demise. They are using invasion, occupation and committing crimes against humanity abroad will definitely result in their demise, especially the rise of an illiterate Zionist stooge to power in US, will speed the process up and many will benefit from it including China and Russia. I hope we will get multi polar center of powers. I assure you that ‘Islamic civilization’ is not the next empire in line, not in yours and mine life time, not even in our grandchildren’s life time, so RELAX, but China may do that sooner than later.

    If you have not read ‘Orientalism’ by Edward Said, you may need to read it to understand why the west is always preoccupied with demonizing other groups, especially Muslims.
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  117. Hessler says:
    @redmudhooch
    Gotta love it when the Israeli puppets on Faux News, CNN, or the traitor scum in DC accuse Iran of being "the #1 sponsor of terror in the world"

    Once you figure out that the corrupt traitors always accuse the current "enemy" of being exactly what they themselves are, or doing the things that they themselves are doing, after you figure this out its pretty easy to see through the BS, to see the truth.

    America is so screwed, our "government" takes sides with the terrorists (Israel, Saudi) that have attacked and killed Americans, that kill Christians whole towns at a time in the Middle East, while they go to war against decent governments that are protecting their Christian minorities. Tells you all you need to know about DC and the military establishment. Sad!

    Falling in the traps of the jews, West has become the victim of it’s own evil. Just look at the Crusades, how the muslims were demonized with blatant lies. You can’t wage war against the good people, that would be morally wrong, especially if you deem yourself to be good guys. So you need propaganda, lies and conceal the truth. And even before that, the whole modus operandi of Vatican Church was entirely based on deception and masquerade. West played the game of lies and lost to the hands of even bigger liars, the Jews.

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  118. Hessler says:
    @L.K
    Hessler: 'Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is."

    Lemme correct that for ya... Iran is NOT a threat to the ZUS at all... unless the ZUS makes the mistake to attack Iran.
    "Islamic civilization" is also NOT a threat to the ZUS... as for spineless puppet Europe, the threat only exists because of the general unwillingness of the EU ZUS puppet regimes to secure borders, or, in the case of some former huge colonial empires, like ZUK, bc of their own immigration policies...
    This is compounded by Europe's subservience to the ZUS destabilizing ME wars, which generate large numbers of displaced people, many of whom then proceed to try to get into Europe.
    In the case of Turkey opening the floodgates, it's pretty certain the US participated in it, to foster a strategy of tension in Europe.

    hessler: 'Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it’s the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time."

    If you are implying the wars in the MENA are some kind of preemptive attacks against an Islamic civilization 'threat', that is a laughable and totally preposterous idea.

    The Zio-american wars in the MENA are part of the fraudulent war on terror, itself based on the 9/11 Zionist false flag & they are carried out to weaken and break up states in order to improve Israel's position in the region.

    The Israeli Origin of 9/11 and the War on Terror by author C. Bollyn
    http://bollyn.com/#article_15904

    Both 9/11 and the War on Terror are products of Israeli military intelligence. 9/11 was meant to start the War on Terror. Understanding the Israeli origin of both is key to understanding the deception.
     

    You are right L.K and I agree but what do you think are the interests of west in the security of Israel ? And war on Terror ? What do you think they got togther to accomlish what ?

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  119. Hessler says:
    @TruthtellerAryan
    Are we that desperate to serve the Zionists. Never in history has such a powerful nation and its " allies " succumbed to a tiny infectious parasite as we have after WWll .
    Driving themselves crazy to satisfy a "wondering tribe " of "carpet beggars " who have always relied on their "host" victims to survive. Parasites can't survive on their own. Their agenda is to have the whole world to feed on. Fortunately they have found infected victims to do their bidding for them, as never before during their whole existence .
    There are creatures in the wild that do exactly as this behavior after being infected. Mostly it involves fungus and some insects.
    We shouldn't be surprised by DJT' s behavior. He was set up to do exactly what he's doing. We goyim still think he's serving America. Fooled us with the Swamp talk. What do we have now? Bolton, Netanyahu....Kushner? MEK????
    The most anti mullah regime people in and outside Iran, have unmeasurable hate towards this treacherous group. The mullah are way preferred to this cult. Of course, unless the US and their buddies, the MEK, want to rule an empty country. And there's no nation in ME whose people have such passionate love for their nation as Iranians do. Dynasties have come and gone, but Iran and its people are still there. They won't forgive the MEK for siding with an enemy that invaded their country, and was claiming part of it (Khuzestan). They helped the enemy in the destruction of their homeland, aided in rapping their mothers, sisters, daughters, and Trump, Bolton, and the rest of the cabals think they will change Iran. With these traitors? They are about to create hatred that was never there . One need not be an Iranian to see thru MEK treachery.
    The only people that will back such a group are those who want to see the total annihilation of this fine race, the cradle of Aryan civilization.
    Well, who might that be?

    Hi TruthtellerAryan,

    Not long ago I hated alcohol because of what it does to the body and mind, how it influence the human behavior. I had a neighbour who was alcoholic to his bones. I use to hate him more then I hated anyone. I wanted satisfaction, one without the icurring reactions so I turned to sprituality but it required a cost, way above then what I could pay. So instead I caved in and turned to alcohol for the satisfaction I was looking for. The neighbour that I hated became my best friend. I had to get close to him because of his connections to acquire the stuff at special discount, his knowledge about the use and effects of alcohol. It was the friendship born out of necessity. It had nothing to do with respect or emotions.

    I’m the west. The neighbour is the Jew. The alcohol is the money supply. Satisfaction is the world domination.

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    So, in summary, you and the west have both sold your souls at the behest of your hated, parasitic, alcoholic neighbors who you decided to embrace.
    , @TruthtellerAryan
    Hi Hessler, been away a few days and didn't look at UR.
    A very good analogy. If you're a stranger in town/country. But this is our home (The West) and our people (Caucasian). We're not strangers, we surely can find a nice "pub", or a discounted "liquor store ". After all we own the "damn breweries, distilleries , and vineyards ". Now, in the world, why would we want someone (Rothschild ) to point out where are our own bars (Taxes) are, for God's sake.
    We've become dependent on the very parasite that's making us sick, and which will make eventually kill us.....?????
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  120. Hessler says:
    @RobinG
    How can anyone take you seriously when you say something like this ...

    They like the Christians, believe that they have a direct pass to paradise regardless of their deeds...
     
    Is your knowledge of other religions equally lacking?

    Hi RobinG,

    Is it not true, that Christians have the security for their souls with guaranteed surety as long as they fulfill just one criteria, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ?

    for whatever the other stuff you read in the Gospel regarding righteousness is bluff. Why anyone would give a fuck about the deeds when abstaining from pleasures and indulging in pleasures land you in the exact same place i.e the paradise. That’s not how the human consciousness works.

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    " . . . that Christians have the security for their souls with guaranteed surety as long as they fulfill just one criteria, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour"


    With less circumspection.

    It's not the legality of the guarantee, it is the witness of the guarantee. They are not the same thing.


    And anyone who thinks that christ demands not enjoying every pleasure available, has a short shrift understanding of christ, god and the relation to his creation. But the pleasures in their proper place, proper time and proper relation -----

    And by that I mean every pleasure --

    , @EliteCommInc.
    Your position is an issue very much in discussion among believers about the meaning of the guarantee you reference. The juxtaposition between faith and what that looks like (works)

    14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

    25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

    https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-2-14_2-26/
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  121. @Hessler
    Although I'd agree to what you said, and I concur that muslims are not as clear and present danger to the western civilization as the jews are but still somewhere down the line, given the differences of the values and constitution/lifestyle emerging there from, you know Islam being anti-capitalistic, anti-sexist, west has to deal with this sooner or later.

    P.S Dealing doesn't mean winning, I think west will loose to Islamic civilization.

    Hessler opined:
    “… I think west will loose (lose?) to Islamic civilization.”

    Fascinating stuff, Hessler! Sounds like something Oswald Spengler might have said during either bouts with dementia or while “down & out” at a beer hall.

    (zzZigh)

    Hm. Suppose Jewish resort-outposts in New York’s Catskill Mountains and uptown Miami will be among the last ZUSA territories that fall to Islamic conquest?

    (zzzZigh)

    Wonder if Brighton Beach hold-outs will cooperate with a D.C.-based NeoSultan administration, resuscitate a Jewish Lobby, and avoid having to register as an “agent of a foreign government?”

    What do you think, Hessler? Thanks!

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  122. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hi geokat,

    I regret Brendon McConnell's disrespectful attitude in his asserting Phil Giraldi has a "love affair" with Iran.

    For greater than 30 years, I studied Russian history, Politics in the USSR, to the present.

    Although the nation is far from perfect, and not "Exceptional" like ZUS-zealots boast, I must admit to having a "love affair" with Russia.

    However, geokat, and as you're likely aware, it appears Netanyahu is making progress with having Putin's military stand- down and open up eastern Syria/Golan Heights for Zionist occupation.

    (Zigh)

    Below is more bad news reporting that the Russian oligarch Abramovich has become an Israeli citizen.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-oligarch-abramovich-becomes-israeli-citizen/29255697.html

    Not succumbing to abject pessimism, but even Russia is controlled by International Jewry. We are fucked and Giraldi-ites best dig in for a long battle!

    Thank you.

    I regret Brendon McConnell’s disrespectful attitude in his asserting Phil Giraldi has a “love affair” with Iran.

    Hey, Chuck. I must say this Brendon McConnell is an intriguing character. Too early to tell what his angle is. The more he posts, the more he’ll reveal it.

    Not succumbing to abject pessimism, but even Russia is controlled by International Jewry. We are fucked and Giraldi-ites best dig in for a long battle!

    A long battle, indeed, Chuck. And as Phil admonished us, we need to stick together… all us “comrade in arms,” that is.

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    With experience & insight into commenter-character, geokat62 noted:"Hey, Chuck. I must say this Brendon McConnell is an intriguing character. Too early to tell what his angle is. The more he posts, the more he’ll reveal it."

    Hi geo,

    I intuit Brendon O. might be young and privileged to have traveled & learn things about ZUSA-designated "rogue" nations.

    But what he wrote about P.G. smacks of a swaggering guy extremely self immersed in his knowledge.

    The best case might be that O'Connell is Zionist "Controlled Opposition" and such a sorrowful fate has yet to dawn on him?

    Agreed, the more Brendon posts, the more he "reveals."

    Thank you, geo!
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  123. @Hessler
    Although I'd agree to what you said, and I concur that muslims are not as clear and present danger to the western civilization as the jews are but still somewhere down the line, given the differences of the values and constitution/lifestyle emerging there from, you know Islam being anti-capitalistic, anti-sexist, west has to deal with this sooner or later.

    P.S Dealing doesn't mean winning, I think west will loose to Islamic civilization.

    laugh . . .

    I don’t think I made any claims that Jews were a threat to the US, certainly not a clear and present danger. I think US policy is too wedded to jewish as they relate to Israeli interests beyond what is helpful to the US.

    Muslims are quite agreeable to making a dollar, but I think as with many, including many Jews, they think of capitalism as mercantilism — they are not the same thing. Both rely on texts beyond scripture for basic rules concerning honest dealings and accountability.

    Our system while it is losing tough with both, has foundation underpinnings to accountability, and honest dealings.

    how limiting the practice of islam is to women depends on where one is practicing islam. One Pres hussein’s issues among muslims, was that he was allowed a lot of women in places of political, economic and intellectual arenas — though not just him — but the society as a whole. There are a lot of outspoken muslim women.

    Given the rise of other societies, in a form the west may lose. Anything is possible — with the caveat of — what winning means. i was giving a session once to a group of marines and let slip the idea that the US might nor even exist in the future — it just came out — i was back peddling like a duck to ut in context. But in the US our dissipation will be done in by ourselves. And sadly, millions of US citizens are aiding in that process, including political, economic and educational and religious leaders. And it need not be.

    Talking about clear and present dangers to people who either don’t recognize it or simply don’t care enough to prevent it as they invite those dangers in — is hard work. I voted for Pres Trump because I thought he got. He doesn’t, in my view.

    because anything is possible, I have to conceded that the west, the US, might lose. If so, it will nor be because we didn’t topple enough islamic states.

    someday we may just here . . . “USINO”

    Grand narratives of civilizations . . .

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  124. @Hessler
    Hi RobinG,

    Is it not true, that Christians have the security for their souls with guaranteed surety as long as they fulfill just one criteria, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ?

    for whatever the other stuff you read in the Gospel regarding righteousness is bluff. Why anyone would give a fuck about the deeds when abstaining from pleasures and indulging in pleasures land you in the exact same place i.e the paradise. That's not how the human consciousness works.

    ” . . . that Christians have the security for their souls with guaranteed surety as long as they fulfill just one criteria, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour”

    With less circumspection.

    It’s not the legality of the guarantee, it is the witness of the guarantee. They are not the same thing.

    And anyone who thinks that christ demands not enjoying every pleasure available, has a short shrift understanding of christ, god and the relation to his creation. But the pleasures in their proper place, proper time and proper relation —–

    And by that I mean every pleasure –

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    EliteComminc pontificated: "And by that I mean every pleasure –"

    Uh..., above, would that even include Stormy Daniels' indulgence in the pleasures of hasbara?
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  125. anarchyst says:
    @Brendon O'Connell
    His love affair with Iran is ridiculous.

    Unlike you, I've actually been there. They don't discuss Israel internally - they discuss Saudi and The Gulf States. They want to take down Saudi - not Israel. Rouhani works for Israel via the Swiss and German Jewish banks that are funding the $5 billion a year "invasion" of the Arab Middle East with liquid cash injections.

    I was working with government analysts at The Persian Gulf Studies Center.

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.

    There has only been one time in Iran's history when it did not work with Israel, and that was under President Mamoud Armedinejad. When he pulled the plug he was surrounded by Rouhani and Rafsanjani lackey Swiss banker crooks. His scientists were targeted and military bases blown as well as The Stuxnet virus.

    When he organized a "Holocaust Conference", well...that was it...

    In the end Israel collapsed the Riall and took down the economy.

    I was in Iran from late October 2016 to January 2017. There were clearly ZERO meaningful sanctions on Iran. Luxury goods everywhere. Building everywhere. When i asked the lawyer assigned to me for my political asylum application where were all the sanctions he said, "This is the Silk Road baby, they can never stop the flow."

    Huge tankers filled with oil run to Germany every week. Never stopped. The cash has never been stopped. The interference in the Middle East is deeply unpopular by the population who would like the $5 billion back in iran.

    Iranians riot over the price of eggs and cost of living - you appear to think it would be difficult to take down Iran economically when they are not even enforcing the supposed "sanctions" they have on right now?

    Iran is a joke militarily - dependent on China and Russia who in turn rely on Israel to steal their tech for them.

    What Iran does have is a committed core of militia's and IRGC.

    Here is a list of articles from The Times Of Israel detailing Israel's LONG technological involvement with China. You tell me how this self evident collusion ties in with Middle East events, particularly as Russian Jewish Israeli gangsters PILE their drug money into Israeli banks. The Belt & Road Initiative and the fact Israel is BRAGGING it is supplying the high tech for all of it AND heading the BRICS, cyber security...

    LIST OF CHINA ARTICLES - ISRAEL
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/china-israel-technology/#

    Despite the simple self evident fact Israel is heading the whole damned FRAUD that is this Middle East break up - colluding heavily with Russia, China AND Iran to get the job done - it will not matter to the true believers who swallow the "alt-media" narrative fed by "experts" like Giraldi who will NEVER utter the words, "The Talpiot program", NOR make ANY comment of the "Technology Juggernaught" that Israel has become and HOW that affects the narrative of the unfolding Middle East catastrophe.

    Netanyahu is BRAGGING in plain view - Giraldi has ZERO to say on this subject.

    NETANYAHU BRAGS AT AIPAC - ISRAEL IS AN UNSTOPPABLE WORLD TECHNOLOGY POWER
    https://youtu.be/2HQu6cRhSs8

    I had alot to say on this subject since 2007.

    In 2011 I went to jail for three years over it. The Israeli Ambassador and Israeli deputy Foreign Minister came out against me - Giraldi...ZERO to say about it. Maybe Giraldi, is just another Jesuit faker Catholic? Likes his socialism and free stuff? Would prefer to live in wonderful free and democratic Putin'land? The same Russia DEEP in bed with Netanyahu.

    ISRAEL'S SECRET WEAPON - THE TALPIOT PROGRAM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYE9UgmVrfU

    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American or European city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    In fact, if a nuclear device is “lit off” anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel’s secret nuclear “stockpile”.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection. This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a “special exemption” granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for “the big one”. As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit. Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…

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  126. @geokat62

    I regret Brendon McConnell’s disrespectful attitude in his asserting Phil Giraldi has a “love affair” with Iran.
     
    Hey, Chuck. I must say this Brendon McConnell is an intriguing character. Too early to tell what his angle is. The more he posts, the more he’ll reveal it.

    Not succumbing to abject pessimism, but even Russia is controlled by International Jewry. We are fucked and Giraldi-ites best dig in for a long battle!
     
    A long battle, indeed, Chuck. And as Phil admonished us, we need to stick together... all us “comrade in arms,” that is.

    With experience & insight into commenter-character, geokat62 noted:”Hey, Chuck. I must say this Brendon McConnell is an intriguing character. Too early to tell what his angle is. The more he posts, the more he’ll reveal it.”

    Hi geo,

    I intuit Brendon O. might be young and privileged to have traveled & learn things about ZUSA-designated “rogue” nations.

    But what he wrote about P.G. smacks of a swaggering guy extremely self immersed in his knowledge.

    The best case might be that O’Connell is Zionist “Controlled Opposition” and such a sorrowful fate has yet to dawn on him?

    Agreed, the more Brendon posts, the more he “reveals.”

    Thank you, geo!

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    I intuit Brendon O. might be young and privileged to have traveled & learn things about ZUSA-designated “rogue” nations.
     
    No. I'm 47. A former Comprehensive Registered Nurse and the last nine years are a movie.

    I spent three years in maximum security for defending the Palestinans, had my bones broken and completed a long hunger strike and got a personal letter to then President Mamoud Armedinejad where in 2012 I asked for political asylum from prison in Western Australia to which the reply came back..."With open arms".

    Sometimes we make very bad assumptions about people online.

    Unlike the majority - my life is an open book for anyone that wants to read.

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2018/04/what-happened-with-high-court-case.html

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2017/02/brendon-oconnell-left-iran-on-30.html
    , @alternatereality
    based on videos he posted, he's not that young -- upper 30s to mid 40s = good guess. maybe charitable guess.
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  127. @EliteCommInc.
    " . . . that Christians have the security for their souls with guaranteed surety as long as they fulfill just one criteria, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour"


    With less circumspection.

    It's not the legality of the guarantee, it is the witness of the guarantee. They are not the same thing.


    And anyone who thinks that christ demands not enjoying every pleasure available, has a short shrift understanding of christ, god and the relation to his creation. But the pleasures in their proper place, proper time and proper relation -----

    And by that I mean every pleasure --

    EliteComminc pontificated: “And by that I mean every pleasure –”

    Uh…, above, would that even include Stormy Daniels’ indulgence in the pleasures of hasbara?

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    In my view here are some relevant references:


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+10&version=NKJV

    "23 All things are lawful [g]for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things [h]edify. 24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other’s well-being.

    25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake; 26 for “the earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness.”

    27 If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This was offered to idols,” do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience’ sake; [i]for “the earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness.” 29 “Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience? 30 But if I partake with thanks, why am I evil spoken of for the food over which I give thanks?

    31 Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God, . . ."

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+10&version=NKJV
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Relations out of wedlock would be outside of the expected relationship with christ.

    As I noted: all pleasures: in their time, in their place and in proper frame

    In otherwords, the idea that being a christian is a life of denial is to miss the point pf christianity.

    Life has troubles. But food, dance, life, relations of intimacy are all available to be enjoyed – but they have a particular construct in they that is the case.

    drink: alcohol id fine alcoholism, drunkenness is not

    food absolutely to be enjoyed — gluttony not so much

    Context matters.

    relations between members of the opposite sex — absolutely — within the context of marriage

    “Denialism” is not the same as restraint and self control.

    Relations with Miss Daniels in the confines of her marriage to someone — not an issue. Relations outside of marriage even for personal profit — not condoned.

    every pleasure imaginable — in the context of place, time and circumstance as is very clear in scripture.
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  128. RobinG says:
    @Talha
    My dear friend, I simply said it is up for debate. I cannot make that call, others - far more qualified than I - do. Unfortunately, many in the West assume the dichotomy in the major sects of Islam means that "Sunni" is equivalent to "not Shiah". This is not the case; Sunnis (or Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama'a) have specific doctrines and methodologies. This is why, in the Amman Message, the Salafi were distinguished as a group and not simply assumed to be under the Sunni umbrella - this document was signed by major Salafi and Wahhabi scholars themselves:
    http://ammanmessage.com/

    The monotheism of Salafis and Wahhabis has never been in question. The closest school of law they adhere to is that of the Hanbali (with a very strong emphasis on the positions of Imam Ibn Taymiyyah [ra]) and they adhere to the creed as formulated by Imam Tahawi (ra); though some of their interpretations are a bit off from normative Sunni ones - especially those tending towards anthropomorphism.

    What sets them apart from the majority is what they themselves bring to the table; which is often a very charged and bitter my-way-or-the-highway approach to the religion. They are given to much arguing with people and have introduced a dangerous tendency among adherents where amateurs feel qualified to pass legal verdicts - especially in the realm of tossing accusations of takfir left and right. All of this has been recognized by some of their own scholars, if you know how significant Shaykh Albani (ra) was in the Salafi-Wahhabi circles, then it is worth reading his warnings to people who tread that path:
    https://thealbaanisite.com/2014/01/11/the-salafi-dawah-in-disarray-he-cant-even-recite-an-aayah-from-the-quraan-properly-even-if-the-noble-mushaf-were-open-in-front-of-him-let-alone-the-fact-that-he-will-make-man/

    I don't have any personal grudge against many Salafis or Wahhabis and consider them my brothers in faith and will readily pray behind them (even though some might not pray behind me or even consider me Muslim). However, it cannot be overlooked that they have set in motion certain trends where seriously pathological and violent groups have emerged from among their ranks.

    Peace.

    Note: EliteComm gets props for citing an article by Shaykh Abdullah bin Hamid Ali; he is a solid young scholar and I keep up with his twitter feed (which I am very selective about and only follow 12 accounts).

    Second Note: I'm going to bow out from responding for about two weeks - apologies in advance.

    Maybe in 2 weeks you’ll reflect on the self-appointed internet scholars. (The Muslim equivalent of the Christian doomsday preachers?) Seems today was not the day of screams, after all.

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  129. RobinG says:
    @L.K
    Hessler: 'Iran may not be a direct threat to the US but Islamic civilization certainly is."

    Lemme correct that for ya... Iran is NOT a threat to the ZUS at all... unless the ZUS makes the mistake to attack Iran.
    "Islamic civilization" is also NOT a threat to the ZUS... as for spineless puppet Europe, the threat only exists because of the general unwillingness of the EU ZUS puppet regimes to secure borders, or, in the case of some former huge colonial empires, like ZUK, bc of their own immigration policies...
    This is compounded by Europe's subservience to the ZUS destabilizing ME wars, which generate large numbers of displaced people, many of whom then proceed to try to get into Europe.
    In the case of Turkey opening the floodgates, it's pretty certain the US participated in it, to foster a strategy of tension in Europe.

    hessler: 'Look at the big picture, this Anglo-Zionist war in the MENA is not just for the resources or security of Zion, it’s the war against the entire Islamic civilization. One state at a time."

    If you are implying the wars in the MENA are some kind of preemptive attacks against an Islamic civilization 'threat', that is a laughable and totally preposterous idea.

    The Zio-american wars in the MENA are part of the fraudulent war on terror, itself based on the 9/11 Zionist false flag & they are carried out to weaken and break up states in order to improve Israel's position in the region.

    The Israeli Origin of 9/11 and the War on Terror by author C. Bollyn
    http://bollyn.com/#article_15904

    Both 9/11 and the War on Terror are products of Israeli military intelligence. 9/11 was meant to start the War on Terror. Understanding the Israeli origin of both is key to understanding the deception.
     

    …Europe’s subservience to the ZUS destabilizing ME wars…

    Not just subservience, complicity. And they reap what they sow. They say there are 500 new migrants in Paris every [week?]. Just deserts.

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  130. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hessler
    Your accusation of me being ignorant is an exercise in futility. While I may not be an expert on the issue at hand but I take extreme care in making sure that I talk within the orbit of my knowledge.

    First, I never said Islam is a defect. Just think about it, in the grand game of the civilizations, Islamic civilization is the finalist along with the western civilization. Obviously, they didn't make it to this point by doing "nothing". You don't need history lessons to be able to make that assessment.

    Second, I've seen lot's and lot's of documentaries (MVGroup, BTN, FTN, Feedthe.tv) of scientific history and I've concluded that the contributions of the Islamic civilization in the progress of the human race, not merely in science but also in finance, medicine, cosmology, legislation, arts, architecture, and all things really are superior to that of the west till date.

    There's a Boris Johnson 2 parts documentory about the contribution of the Islamic civilization. An eye opener for a common folk in the west as to how much advanced the Islamic civilization really was. Their lifestyle was also far superior compared to the west. Among the rise and fall of the different civilizations, Islamic civilization has the best run for 800 years. As Andrew Marr said "Islam didn't really expanded, it exploded" One of the reason why it was so successful in a short period of time is that and I quote Boris Johnson "Everyone wanted to be among the winners, to live a good life" again you really don't need historical details to make that out. Popular astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said in one of his shows "Arabic was the official language of science for 800 years"

    My conviction, give the credit where the credit is due....

    Although all this information is easily available for anyone looking, in the jewish controlled media, it's never advertised. Jews have made sure that no one in the west come to discover of what the Islamic civilization is capable of. The MSM portrays the muslims/Arabs as sub-human to support the Anglo-Zionaist war on the Islamic civilization. Among the 1001 lies that Jews told, one of which is they are smarter then the rest of the world. Jews also installed Feminism/Gayism in the western societies to make a culture-shock situation against the Islamic conviction for the support of their war.

    However, after all is said, you still haven't negated my assertion that Islamic civilization is a threat for western civilization.

    [However, after all is said, you still haven’t negated my assertion that Islamic civilization is a threat for western civilization.]

    I assume by saying ‘Islam’ is a threat, you mean Islamic civilization is a threat to Western civilization, which this is called ‘the clash of Civilizations’ theory HOAX by Samuel Huntington/Bernard Lewis to frighten Western population not knowing about the history of Christianity and the West against the rest make them frighten. This hoax theory appeared after the end of COLD WAR to keep the population active and on board to achieve the final destiny, the world hegemony.

    In Huntington’s view, China’s rise is problematic because is going to assert itself as the regional hegemon and then other countries and civilization, Islamic, will join china to bring Western hegemony down.

    Look, The western empire, British then and American now always has used Muslims as food soldiers to expand their empire. In India, they used Muslims to expand their influence and topple Mutual empire and outlawed their language, which is Persian, and then divided the country to weaken India as a threat. The west has influenced Islamic civilization for many centuries and they have a lot in common contrary to your thinking that they ‘are enemies’.
    This HOAX theory was pushed to keep the Western population in check, to bring them on board for their wars against a straw man, Muslims, for expansion of their influence and final destiny, hegemony over the world.

    Of course, no empire stays as ‘empire’ forever and eventually go down. American empire for sure is declining, but I assure you that the replacement will not be ‘Islamic’, although Muslims have the population, resources and human capital to achieve it. Have you seen Islamic world as divided and powerless as today? The clash of civilization HOAX theory wants to weaken all Islamic countries for its goal, where in my opinion is a mistake.

    It is true that American Empire is declining for some times now. These wars actually helps its own demise. They are using invasion, occupation and committing crimes against humanity abroad will definitely result in their demise, especially the rise of an illiterate Zionist stooge to power in US, will speed the process up and many will benefit from it including China and Russia. I hope we will get multi polar center of powers. I assure you that ‘Islamic civilization’ is not the next empire in line, not in yours and mine life time, not even in our grandchildren’s life time, so RELAX, but China may do that sooner than later.

    If you have not read ‘Orientalism’ by Edward Said, you may need to read it to understand why the west is always preoccupied with demonizing other groups, especially Muslims.

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  131. We seem to have gone over to the Dark Side.

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    Colin Wright wrote: "We seem to have gone over to the Dark Side."

    Hi Colin Wright,

    I offer a suggestion that the U.S.A.'s official cross-over to the "Dark Side" happened on December 23, 1913, when The Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

    Afterward, the ZUS agenda-driven penetration into Darkness went incrementally deeper to date, and beyond.

    Thank you for making such an insightful comment.
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  132. @Colin Wright
    We seem to have gone over to the Dark Side.

    Colin Wright wrote: “We seem to have gone over to the Dark Side.”

    Hi Colin Wright,

    I offer a suggestion that the U.S.A.’s official cross-over to the “Dark Side” happened on December 23, 1913, when The Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

    Afterward, the ZUS agenda-driven penetration into Darkness went incrementally deeper to date, and beyond.

    Thank you for making such an insightful comment.

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  133. Frankie P says:
    @Hessler
    Hi TruthtellerAryan,

    Not long ago I hated alcohol because of what it does to the body and mind, how it influence the human behavior. I had a neighbour who was alcoholic to his bones. I use to hate him more then I hated anyone. I wanted satisfaction, one without the icurring reactions so I turned to sprituality but it required a cost, way above then what I could pay. So instead I caved in and turned to alcohol for the satisfaction I was looking for. The neighbour that I hated became my best friend. I had to get close to him because of his connections to acquire the stuff at special discount, his knowledge about the use and effects of alcohol. It was the friendship born out of necessity. It had nothing to do with respect or emotions.

    I'm the west. The neighbour is the Jew. The alcohol is the money supply. Satisfaction is the world domination.

    So, in summary, you and the west have both sold your souls at the behest of your hated, parasitic, alcoholic neighbors who you decided to embrace.

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    Hi Frankie P
    Well put. Begging them for money, ironically given by "us". Read the news written by our own (some), supervised by an "expert Zionist ". MSM , Hollywood entertainment propaganda, using our Caucasian sisters and daughters to enhance the message, always with a propped up Jew who can't act. Pathetic how we can't see this. I think if our choices (shoved upon) are these cuckhold whores in all three branches of our sinking "ship ", we should encourage all on the BDSM

    Look at loyalty, they won't join the army of "slaves", but are proud to fly from the land of their birth and join a " foreign terrorist group (IDF) and proudly kill native Palestinians, the "Nurse" case and this government only has praises for this terrorist. When did Palestinians have a conflict with us? But all the butchering is done by our money, our weapons ...,,, and our "citizens ".....,.
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  134. Frankie P says:
    @TruthtellerAryan
    Are we that desperate to serve the Zionists. Never in history has such a powerful nation and its " allies " succumbed to a tiny infectious parasite as we have after WWll .
    Driving themselves crazy to satisfy a "wondering tribe " of "carpet beggars " who have always relied on their "host" victims to survive. Parasites can't survive on their own. Their agenda is to have the whole world to feed on. Fortunately they have found infected victims to do their bidding for them, as never before during their whole existence .
    There are creatures in the wild that do exactly as this behavior after being infected. Mostly it involves fungus and some insects.
    We shouldn't be surprised by DJT' s behavior. He was set up to do exactly what he's doing. We goyim still think he's serving America. Fooled us with the Swamp talk. What do we have now? Bolton, Netanyahu....Kushner? MEK????
    The most anti mullah regime people in and outside Iran, have unmeasurable hate towards this treacherous group. The mullah are way preferred to this cult. Of course, unless the US and their buddies, the MEK, want to rule an empty country. And there's no nation in ME whose people have such passionate love for their nation as Iranians do. Dynasties have come and gone, but Iran and its people are still there. They won't forgive the MEK for siding with an enemy that invaded their country, and was claiming part of it (Khuzestan). They helped the enemy in the destruction of their homeland, aided in rapping their mothers, sisters, daughters, and Trump, Bolton, and the rest of the cabals think they will change Iran. With these traitors? They are about to create hatred that was never there . One need not be an Iranian to see thru MEK treachery.
    The only people that will back such a group are those who want to see the total annihilation of this fine race, the cradle of Aryan civilization.
    Well, who might that be?

    The white American goy is the most gullible, naive creature the world has even knows. This has been compounded by years of misdirection and propaganda from Jewish controlled media and academia.
    This guileless idiot will need some serious hardship to wake him up from his slumber, search out the root of the hardship, and find the coast to coast support for Jews and Israel. Fortunately for him, that support, as wide as the borders of his land, is only 1mm thick. The rending of it and subsequent ramifications will be satisfying to watch.

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  135. RobinG says:
    @Brendon O'Connell
    His love affair with Iran is ridiculous.

    Unlike you, I've actually been there. They don't discuss Israel internally - they discuss Saudi and The Gulf States. They want to take down Saudi - not Israel. Rouhani works for Israel via the Swiss and German Jewish banks that are funding the $5 billion a year "invasion" of the Arab Middle East with liquid cash injections.

    I was working with government analysts at The Persian Gulf Studies Center.

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.

    There has only been one time in Iran's history when it did not work with Israel, and that was under President Mamoud Armedinejad. When he pulled the plug he was surrounded by Rouhani and Rafsanjani lackey Swiss banker crooks. His scientists were targeted and military bases blown as well as The Stuxnet virus.

    When he organized a "Holocaust Conference", well...that was it...

    In the end Israel collapsed the Riall and took down the economy.

    I was in Iran from late October 2016 to January 2017. There were clearly ZERO meaningful sanctions on Iran. Luxury goods everywhere. Building everywhere. When i asked the lawyer assigned to me for my political asylum application where were all the sanctions he said, "This is the Silk Road baby, they can never stop the flow."

    Huge tankers filled with oil run to Germany every week. Never stopped. The cash has never been stopped. The interference in the Middle East is deeply unpopular by the population who would like the $5 billion back in iran.

    Iranians riot over the price of eggs and cost of living - you appear to think it would be difficult to take down Iran economically when they are not even enforcing the supposed "sanctions" they have on right now?

    Iran is a joke militarily - dependent on China and Russia who in turn rely on Israel to steal their tech for them.

    What Iran does have is a committed core of militia's and IRGC.

    Here is a list of articles from The Times Of Israel detailing Israel's LONG technological involvement with China. You tell me how this self evident collusion ties in with Middle East events, particularly as Russian Jewish Israeli gangsters PILE their drug money into Israeli banks. The Belt & Road Initiative and the fact Israel is BRAGGING it is supplying the high tech for all of it AND heading the BRICS, cyber security...

    LIST OF CHINA ARTICLES - ISRAEL
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/china-israel-technology/#

    Despite the simple self evident fact Israel is heading the whole damned FRAUD that is this Middle East break up - colluding heavily with Russia, China AND Iran to get the job done - it will not matter to the true believers who swallow the "alt-media" narrative fed by "experts" like Giraldi who will NEVER utter the words, "The Talpiot program", NOR make ANY comment of the "Technology Juggernaught" that Israel has become and HOW that affects the narrative of the unfolding Middle East catastrophe.

    Netanyahu is BRAGGING in plain view - Giraldi has ZERO to say on this subject.

    NETANYAHU BRAGS AT AIPAC - ISRAEL IS AN UNSTOPPABLE WORLD TECHNOLOGY POWER
    https://youtu.be/2HQu6cRhSs8

    I had alot to say on this subject since 2007.

    In 2011 I went to jail for three years over it. The Israeli Ambassador and Israeli deputy Foreign Minister came out against me - Giraldi...ZERO to say about it. Maybe Giraldi, is just another Jesuit faker Catholic? Likes his socialism and free stuff? Would prefer to live in wonderful free and democratic Putin'land? The same Russia DEEP in bed with Netanyahu.

    ISRAEL'S SECRET WEAPON - THE TALPIOT PROGRAM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYE9UgmVrfU

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.

    What happened? Did they discover you were a bullshitter?

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    No. I left of my own accord after refusing to attack Saudi and The Gulf States all day. They know I have recordings of the drugged up closet gay lawyer they assigned me, David T. Lashgari.

    I was 35 days over visa when I walked out of the country with a $65USD dollar fine. I have a recording of that too. The guy behind the customs desk cannot believe it. I told 'em straight out i was getting on the plane and they can take up complaints with the whack job lawyer.

    You can read all about it here -

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2017/02/brendon-oconnell-left-iran-on-30.html

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2018/04/what-happened-with-high-court-case.html
    , @Brendon O'Connell
    My text to Iranian lawyer showing I was to be given a 90 day extension to my visa for political asylum application to go through.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s6v27_guXIc/WxHmrLjCL3I/AAAAAAAAFD8/qlhH2I_Un3o9euYmQ7fsJ00ZxIiYRgpQgCLcBGAs/s1600/Lashgari%2B90%2BDay%2BExtension.JPG
    , @alternatereality
    harsh
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  136. Relations out of wedlock would be outside of the expected relationship with christ.

    As I noted: all pleasures: in their time, in their place and in proper frame

    In otherwords, the idea that being a christian is a life of denial is to miss the point pf christianity.

    Life has troubles. But food, dance, life, relations of intimacy are all available to be enjoyed – but they have a particular construct in they that is the case.

    drink: alcohol id fine alcoholism, drunkenness is not

    food absolutely to be enjoyed — gluttony not so much

    Context matters.

    relations between members of the opposite sex — absolutely — within the context of marriage

    “Denialism” is not the same as restraint and self control.

    Relations with Miss Daniels in the confines of her marriage to someone — not an issue. Relations outside of marriage even for personal profit — not condoned.

    every pleasure imaginable — in the context of place, time and circumstance as is very clear in scripture.

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  137. @ChuckOrloski
    EliteComminc pontificated: "And by that I mean every pleasure –"

    Uh..., above, would that even include Stormy Daniels' indulgence in the pleasures of hasbara?

    In my view here are some relevant references:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+10&version=NKJV

    “23 All things are lawful [g]for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things [h]edify. 24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other’s well-being.

    25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake; 26 for “the earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness.”

    27 If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This was offered to idols,” do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience’ sake; [i]for “the earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness.” 29 “Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience? 30 But if I partake with thanks, why am I evil spoken of for the food over which I give thanks?

    31 Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God, . . .”

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+10&version=NKJV

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  138. @Hessler
    Hi RobinG,

    Is it not true, that Christians have the security for their souls with guaranteed surety as long as they fulfill just one criteria, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ?

    for whatever the other stuff you read in the Gospel regarding righteousness is bluff. Why anyone would give a fuck about the deeds when abstaining from pleasures and indulging in pleasures land you in the exact same place i.e the paradise. That's not how the human consciousness works.

    Your position is an issue very much in discussion among believers about the meaning of the guarantee you reference. The juxtaposition between faith and what that looks like (works)

    14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

    25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

    https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-2-14_2-26/

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  139. RobinG says:

    “IDEOLOGICAL OPPORTUNISTS”

    More on the MEK, first half of this show with Joanne Stocker, editor at the Defense Post.

    OIAC 2018 Iran Freedom Convention, to which they refer. http://www.oiac-us.com/2018-convention-report/

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  140. @RobinG

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.
     
    What happened? Did they discover you were a bullshitter?

    No. I left of my own accord after refusing to attack Saudi and The Gulf States all day. They know I have recordings of the drugged up closet gay lawyer they assigned me, David T. Lashgari.

    I was 35 days over visa when I walked out of the country with a $65USD dollar fine. I have a recording of that too. The guy behind the customs desk cannot believe it. I told ‘em straight out i was getting on the plane and they can take up complaints with the whack job lawyer.

    You can read all about it here –

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2017/02/brendon-oconnell-left-iran-on-30.html

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2018/04/what-happened-with-high-court-case.html

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  141. @RobinG

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.
     
    What happened? Did they discover you were a bullshitter?

    My text to Iranian lawyer showing I was to be given a 90 day extension to my visa for political asylum application to go through.

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  142. @RobinG

    I was to have my own TV show on Press TV.
     
    What happened? Did they discover you were a bullshitter?

    harsh

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  143. @ChuckOrloski
    With experience & insight into commenter-character, geokat62 noted:"Hey, Chuck. I must say this Brendon McConnell is an intriguing character. Too early to tell what his angle is. The more he posts, the more he’ll reveal it."

    Hi geo,

    I intuit Brendon O. might be young and privileged to have traveled & learn things about ZUSA-designated "rogue" nations.

    But what he wrote about P.G. smacks of a swaggering guy extremely self immersed in his knowledge.

    The best case might be that O'Connell is Zionist "Controlled Opposition" and such a sorrowful fate has yet to dawn on him?

    Agreed, the more Brendon posts, the more he "reveals."

    Thank you, geo!

    I intuit Brendon O. might be young and privileged to have traveled & learn things about ZUSA-designated “rogue” nations.

    No. I’m 47. A former Comprehensive Registered Nurse and the last nine years are a movie.

    I spent three years in maximum security for defending the Palestinans, had my bones broken and completed a long hunger strike and got a personal letter to then President Mamoud Armedinejad where in 2012 I asked for political asylum from prison in Western Australia to which the reply came back…”With open arms”.

    Sometimes we make very bad assumptions about people online.

    Unlike the majority – my life is an open book for anyone that wants to read.

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2018/04/what-happened-with-high-court-case.html

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2017/02/brendon-oconnell-left-iran-on-30.html

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    Did the hunger strike bear useful fruit?
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  144. @ChuckOrloski
    With experience & insight into commenter-character, geokat62 noted:"Hey, Chuck. I must say this Brendon McConnell is an intriguing character. Too early to tell what his angle is. The more he posts, the more he’ll reveal it."

    Hi geo,

    I intuit Brendon O. might be young and privileged to have traveled & learn things about ZUSA-designated "rogue" nations.

    But what he wrote about P.G. smacks of a swaggering guy extremely self immersed in his knowledge.

    The best case might be that O'Connell is Zionist "Controlled Opposition" and such a sorrowful fate has yet to dawn on him?

    Agreed, the more Brendon posts, the more he "reveals."

    Thank you, geo!

    based on videos he posted, he’s not that young — upper 30s to mid 40s = good guess. maybe charitable guess.

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  145. [It's much better if you don't endlessly spam every comment-thread with the same links from your own blogsite. Otherwise, your future comments are less likely to be published.]

    YOU CAN HEAR BRENDON O’CONNELL’S NINE YEAR STRUGGLE WITH THE ISRAELI STATE HERE – I Appear Regularly With Mike Herzog Of “The American Awakening” Every Friday Night. US Central Standard Time

    [MORE]

    The American Awakening: Israel’s Secret Weapon – The Talpiot Program

    http://theamericanawakening.org/the-american-awakening-israels-secret-weapon-the-talpiot-program/

    The American Awakening: Israeli Drones World Wide (Not Limited To Flying Objects)

    http://theamericanawakening.org/the-american-awakening-israeli-drones-world-wide-not-limited-to-flying-objects/

    The American Awakening: Trump Is A Product Of Army Intelligence? It Goes Much Deeper Than That

    http://theamericanawakening.org/the-american-awakening-trump-is-a-product-of-army-intelligence-it-goes-much-deeper-than-that/

    The American Awakening: The Belt and Road Initiative… why do we hear nothing of it here in the U.S.?

    http://theamericanawakening.org/the-american-awakening-the-belt-and-road-initiative-why-do-we-hear-nothing-of-it-here-in-the-u-s/

    Then you can all ask Phil Giraldi, when he next visits Iran, to ask the Rouhani crowd why they were not in the faintest bit interested in this subject and why they panicked when I raised issue of Orthodox Judaism and inherit racial and religious supremacism that is the foundation of the Israeli state.

    Ask Phil to ask Rouhani why Press TV uses an ISRAELI SATELLITE!

    Ask Phil why he and the gang missed all this or deliberately ignored it as we sent email after email, tweet after tweet etc…

    Because IRAN gets their tech off Russia and China who get their tech off ISRAEL.

    Iran has ALWAYS dealt with Israel excepting under Mamoud Armedinejad.

    While Saudi and The Gulf States are vilified, Iran escapes ANY scrutiny from the groupie scene when the whole “revolution” originated in a COMMUNE just outside PARIS (your first clue) and was funded by the Swiss bagman Rafsanjani who came with the Ayatollah on the plane from Paris with a German film crew (intelligence outfit) in tow – and his protege Rouhani is now in power which explains alot.

    Israel’s main export is high tech military – it needs an official enemy to justify it which is why Bi Bi supports both Hizbollah and Iran.

    There is a big pyramid on the top of the Israeli supreme court building and the Iranian parliament is a giant pyramid with 33 windows – another clue.

    Rothschild always sets up a dialectic – right and left. Greater Israel V Persian Empire.

    Along the way Pan Arab nationalism is crushed – the REAL enemy of Israel.

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  146. @ChuckOrloski
    EliteComminc pontificated: "And by that I mean every pleasure –"

    Uh..., above, would that even include Stormy Daniels' indulgence in the pleasures of hasbara?

    Relations out of wedlock would be outside of the expected relationship with christ.

    As I noted: all pleasures: in their time, in their place and in proper frame

    In otherwords, the idea that being a christian is a life of denial is to miss the point pf christianity.

    Life has troubles. But food, dance, life, relations of intimacy are all available to be enjoyed – but they have a particular construct in they that is the case.

    drink: alcohol id fine alcoholism, drunkenness is not

    food absolutely to be enjoyed — gluttony not so much

    Context matters.

    relations between members of the opposite sex — absolutely — within the context of marriage

    “Denialism” is not the same as restraint and self control.

    Relations with Miss Daniels in the confines of her marriage to someone — not an issue. Relations outside of marriage even for personal profit — not condoned.

    every pleasure imaginable — in the context of place, time and circumstance as is very clear in scripture.

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    To trolls and dummies :

    Don’t engage with Mossad troll ‘Brendon O’Connell’. Haven’t you realized yet that he is in the services of the intelligence agencies of the West?

    [They know I have recordings of the drugged up closet gay lawyer they assigned me, David T. Lashgari.]

    Iranians don’t have such a name as David T. Lashgari. Half Jewish Israeli, and half Persian.
    Persians do NOT have middle names. I don’t know what fucking ‘T’ stands for? It could simply be the ‘Tribe.’

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  148. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Israeli army kills Palestinian nurse in Gaza border protest: medics

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-protests/israeli-army-kills-palestinian-nurse-in-gaza-border-protest-medics-idUSKCN1IX5OA

    GAZA (Reuters) – Israeli forces killed a Palestinian nurse on Friday as she tried to help a wounded protester at the Gaza border, according to health officials and a witness, while Israel said militants had attacked its troops with gunfire and a grenade.

    The latest crime against humanity by the Zionists and their criminal supporters:

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  149. geokat62 says:

    Bit OT, but I wanted to provide a bit of an update on the latest developments regarding The Lobby’s efforts to get the position of Special Envoy to Monitor & Combat Anti-Semitism filled.

    A few weeks back, I posted the following tweet by the Executive Director of the ADL, Jason Greenblatt:

    This just in:

    So The Lobby would like to tighten the screws on The Dumb Goyim even further by calling for the establishment of a Special Envoy to Monitor & Combat Anti-Semitism? Get ready folks, Big Brother is about to get even Bigger.

    Well, based on an article, Pompeo Promises Anti-Semitism Envoy Eventually, But Advocates Urge Quick Action, released by the Jewish daily, the Forward, it appears that this position was established way back in 2004 by the George W Bush Administration.

    Here’s the article in full, followed by the letter the ADL recently sent to SoS, Pompeo… they are worth the read.

    Enjoy!

    [MORE]

    Pompeo Promises Anti-Semitism Envoy Eventually, But Advocates Urge Quick Action
    Ben FractenbergJune 1, 2018
    Advocacy groups welcomed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s promise to appoint a special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism, but continued to urge him to fill the vacancy as soon as possible.

    Pompeo was vague on a specific timeline, telling legislators he’d “move on” picking someone after Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.) asked him in a hearing last week to quickly appoint an envoy to combat “this scourge of anti-Semitism, which is rising all over the globe.” Advocates voiced frustration with the lack of specifics, but it’s unlikely the job, which has been open since President Trump’s inauguration last year, will be filled soon.

    The director of Human Rights First, Susan Corke, told the Forward she was “heartened” by Pompeo’s promise and that she’s been giving assurances by other State Department officials that they won’t drag their feet, but was still a bit frustrated “he didn’t commit to a timeline.”

    Corke’s group helped lead a coalition of dozens of organizations and individuals, including the Anti-Defamation League and former anti-Semitism envoy Ira Forman, to sign a May 23 letter addressed to Pompeo calling for a swift appointment.

    “That position has been vacant for over 16 months now,” Corke added. “This should be an obvious one. It’s required by law and has bipartisan support in Congress.”

    The State Department did not return a request for comment.

    Advocacy groups are already dealing with an administration that has been slow to fill key positions throughout the executive branch.

    Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was particularly unhurried, with more than 60 Senate-confirmed posts remaining vacant during his tenure.

    Tillerson had also expressed skepticism over the anti-Semitism position’s impact.

    “One of the things that we are considering — and we understand why [special envoys] were created and the good intentions behind why they were created — but one of the things we want to understand is by doing that, did we weaken our attention to those issues? Because the expertise in a lot of these areas lies within the bureaus, and now we’ve stripped it out of the bureaus,” Tillerson said during a 2017 hearing.

    The position was created in 2004 under the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. Past envoys have worked with European governments to counter anti-Semitic incidents and appoint their own officials to monitor hatred.

    Forman, for example, worked with Hungarian leaders in 2015 to abandon plans to erect a statue honoring former government minister Bálint Hóman, who helped deport more than 400,000 Jews to Auschwitz in 1944.

    There has been a noticeable rise in anti-Semitic incidents worldwide since that position was left vacant.

    Britain saw a 34 percent jump in assaults in 2017 and France reportedly had a 26 percent jump during the same period, according to figures from a British anti-Semitism watchdog group. And this year saw the fatal stabbing of an 85-year-old French Holocaust survivor in March, in what Paris prosecutors believe was an anti-Semitic attack.

    Anti-Defamation League spokesman Todd Gutnick said they too hoped the role would be filled “as quickly as possible” considering the rise in violence.

    “America plays an essential role in the fight against anti-Semitism, but this role has been hamstrung for well over a year,” Gutnick said in a statement. “Giving the near daily reports of anti-Semitic attacks and incidents across Europe and elsewhere, there’s no better time for a capable and dedicated individual in this post to spur diplomatic efforts to stem anti-Semitism abroad.”

    Brookings Middle East policy expert Shalom Lipner said he didn’t think the appointment would be held up indefinitely since combating anti-Semitism was as “apolitical an issue as you can find right now.”

    He added that the rise in anti-Jewish assaults while the post was left vacant could lead some to question the ability of a single, new envoy to “put the toxic genie back in its lantern,” but said the post still “holds great symbolic value,” as world leaders wonder whether Washington will continue to weigh in on instances of anti-Semitism in their country.

    “A lot of people look for moral leadership,” said Lipner, who served as an advisor in the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office. “This issue can affect broader relationships.”

    Contact Ben Fractenberg at [email protected] or on Twitter, @fractenberg

    https://forward.com/news/national/402124/advocates-urge-sec-pompeo-to-quickly-appoint-anti-semitism-envoy-after/?utm_content=daily_Newsletter_MainList_Title_Position-1&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20-%20Sun%202018-06-02&utm_term=The%20Forward%20Today%20Monday-Friday

    May 23, 2018
    The Honorable Michael Pompeo Secretary of State
    U.S. Department of State
    2201 C Street NW
    Washington, DC 20520 Dear Mr. Secretary:
    Now that you have been confirmed as Secretary of State, we wish you every success in this essential work and in representing the interests of every American. As members of civil society and faith-based groups who care deeply about combating global anti-Semitism, we hope that the United States will remain a leader in fighting this global problem. A near-term action you can take to signal that this will be a priority for you is to immediately identify and appoint someone to the position of U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti- Semitism, as you pledged to do in your written nomination hearing responses. We are also concerned that the position of Assistant Secretary for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor remains vacant. These two positions work best when they work together.
    The special envoy position has now sat vacant for over fifteen months, seven of which have passed since Secretary of State Rex Tillerson recommitted to retain it in August. Five bipartisan Congressional letters have been sent to the administration on the subject – emphasizing just how seriously Members of both parties and in both chambers of Congress view this continued vacancy. We urge you to work with the White House to advance the staffing of the Special Envoy position as one of your priority actions.
    The absence of a U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism is particularly distressing given the increased number of anti-Semitic incidents taking place around the world, including in many countries where the United States enjoys otherwise strong diplomatic ties.
    For example, during 2017, violent anti-Semitic assaults increased 34 percent in Britain according to the Community Security Trust and increased 26 percent in France according to the French Ministry of the Interior. In March, an 85-year-old French Holocaust survivor was brutally stabbed to death because she was Jewish and left to burn in her home in Paris. Two Jewish houses of worship were firebombed in Sweden, including one where Jewish youths were gathered inside. And synagogues in Tunisia and Iran were also desecrated.
    In January 2018, the Polish Sejm passed a law, later signed by President Andrzej Duda, that criminalizes certain speech about individual Polish complicity or collaboration during the Holocaust. As a result, anti-Semitic rhetoric in Poland, in both private media and on state television, has intensified.

    The Special Envoy position and the Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, established under the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act (Public Law 108-332), which Congress passed in 2004 with broad bipartisan support, and signed into law by President George W. Bush, were created to respond to crises such as these. Past envoys have developed and implemented policies and partnerships to combat antisemitism, working with foreign governments and civil society.
    With each additional day that passes without a Special Envoy due to U.S. inaction, Jewish communities around the world are less safe. And our European allies do not have a high level official dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism to whom to turn for assistance.
    Congressional commitment to the position and staffing the office has since been prioritized through appropriations. House Report 114-693 on the FY17 Omnibus specified that “the Committee recommendation… includes funds for support of the Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism.” The explanatory statement on the FY17 Omnibus went further, declaring that “the Secretary of State is directed to fill the position of Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism authorized by Public Law 108-332 in a timely manner.”
    Last summer, nearly two dozen of the nation’s most prominent religious leaders – including representatives of the Catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Evangelical, Hindu, Sikh, and Jewish faiths – signed an open letter to Secretary Tillerson urging him to fill the position “as soon as possible.” In June of last year, 116 Members of Congress signed a letter that urged Secretary Tillerson “to maintain staff in the Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism” while an envoy was being selected.
    We cannot afford further delay in fully addressing the problems and threats facing Jewish communities around the world. By appointing a respected and effective advocate, and equipping the office of the Special Envoy with adequate resources and staffing, you will be reasserting U.S. moral leadership on this issue and reassuring Jewish communities that
    the United States stands with them.
    Failing to come together in the face of this rising tide of hate also would threaten the progress made since the Holocaust toward a world based on respect for human rights. Where antisemitism is resurgent, it is a harbinger of greater human rights problems. Therefore, it is also important to nominate an Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor who will work closely with the Special Envoy.
    We urge you to fully implement Public Law 108-332 by returning adequate administrative and subject-matter staff to the Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism and appointing a respected and qualified U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism without delay.
    Sincerely,

    Organizations:
    Agudath Israel of America
    Anti-Defamation League
    B’nai B’rith International
    Hadassah, The Women’s Zionist Organization of America, Inc. HIAS
    Human Rights First
    Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington Jewish Community Relations Council of New York
    Jewish Council for Public Affairs
    Jewish Democratic Council of America
    The Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice
    National Coalition Supporting Eurasian Jewry (NCSEJ) National Council of Jewish Women
    The Rabbinical Assembly
    Reconstructing Judaism
    Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
    Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission Union for Reform Judaism
    Union of Councils for Jews in the Former Soviet Union (UCSJ) World Jewish Congress United States
    Individuals:
    Affiliation is provided for identification purposes only
    Ambassador Akbar Ahmed, Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies, American University
    Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office, USCCB
    Howard Berman, former Member of Congress and former Chair, House Foreign Affairs Committee
    Professor Nicole Bibbins Sedaca, Chair, Global Politics and Security Concentration, Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University

    Erik Brattberg, Director and Fellow, Carnegie Europe Program, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    Stuart Cobert
    The Honorable Debra Lerner Cohen
    Viviane Eisenberg, Vice President Legal Affairs, Home Box Offices, Inc.
    Gregory Feifer, Institute of Current World Affairs
    Richard Foltin, Senior Scholar for Religious Freedom, Religious Freedom Center, Freedom Forum Institute
    Ira Forman, former U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
    Jeffrey Gedmin, Atlantic Council
    Ilan Goldenberg, Center for a New American Security
    Holly R. Huffnagle, former policy advisor to the U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
    Michael Jacobs, Partner, Morrison & Foerster, LLP
    Jonathan Katz, Senior Fellow, The German Marshall Fund of the United States
    James Kirchik, Visiting Fellow, The Brookings Institution
    Scott Lasensky, former American diplomat
    Ambassador Sarah Mendelson, former US Representative to the UN’s Economic and Social Council
    Thomas O. Melia, Washington Director, PEN America Blaise Misztal, The Bipartisan Policy Center
    Hannah Rosenthal, former U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, President and CEO, the Milwaukee Jewish Federation
    Daniel B. Shapiro, former U.S. Ambassador to Israel
    Nina Shea, Director, Hudson Institute’s Center for Religious Freedom Mary Ann Stein, President, the Moriah Fund
    Daniel Vajdich, Non-Resident Senior Fellow, The Atlantic Council Veronika Velch, Advocacy Director, Ridgely | Walsh
    cc:
    Vice President Mike Pence
    Deputy Secretary of State John J. Sullivan
    Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom Sam Brownback

    https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/sites/default/files/SEAS-Letter-Pompeo.pdf

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    Hi geokat62,

    Thanks, but as a West Scranton native & present resident, and having read the "list" of signatory organizations to the prejudiced plea for a "Special Envoy" appointment, Zionist letter, I am bummed out.

    F.y.i. Am a life long eastern (Byzantine) Catholic, and the reason for my disappointment & distress is found below.

    "Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office,"

    Words fall short to describe my gratitude for your consistent GOOD WORKS, but thanks so much, geo.

    Selah, tremors in Father Coughlin's grave.
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  150. @geokat62
    Bit OT, but I wanted to provide a bit of an update on the latest developments regarding The Lobby’s efforts to get the position of Special Envoy to Monitor & Combat Anti-Semitism filled.

    A few weeks back, I posted the following tweet by the Executive Director of the ADL, Jason Greenblatt:

    This just in:

    https://twitter.com/jgreenblattadl/status/991761708501950469?s=21

    So The Lobby would like to tighten the screws on The Dumb Goyim even further by calling for the establishment of a Special Envoy to Monitor & Combat Anti-Semitism? Get ready folks, Big Brother is about to get even Bigger.
     
    Well, based on an article, Pompeo Promises Anti-Semitism Envoy Eventually, But Advocates Urge Quick Action, released by the Jewish daily, the Forward, it appears that this position was established way back in 2004 by the George W Bush Administration.

    Here’s the article in full, followed by the letter the ADL recently sent to SoS, Pompeo... they are worth the read.

    Enjoy!



    Pompeo Promises Anti-Semitism Envoy Eventually, But Advocates Urge Quick Action
    Ben FractenbergJune 1, 2018
    Advocacy groups welcomed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s promise to appoint a special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism, but continued to urge him to fill the vacancy as soon as possible.

    Pompeo was vague on a specific timeline, telling legislators he’d “move on” picking someone after Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.) asked him in a hearing last week to quickly appoint an envoy to combat “this scourge of anti-Semitism, which is rising all over the globe.” Advocates voiced frustration with the lack of specifics, but it’s unlikely the job, which has been open since President Trump’s inauguration last year, will be filled soon.

    The director of Human Rights First, Susan Corke, told the Forward she was “heartened” by Pompeo’s promise and that she’s been giving assurances by other State Department officials that they won’t drag their feet, but was still a bit frustrated “he didn’t commit to a timeline.”

    Corke’s group helped lead a coalition of dozens of organizations and individuals, including the Anti-Defamation League and former anti-Semitism envoy Ira Forman, to sign a May 23 letter addressed to Pompeo calling for a swift appointment.

    “That position has been vacant for over 16 months now,” Corke added. “This should be an obvious one. It’s required by law and has bipartisan support in Congress.”

    The State Department did not return a request for comment.

    Advocacy groups are already dealing with an administration that has been slow to fill key positions throughout the executive branch.

    Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was particularly unhurried, with more than 60 Senate-confirmed posts remaining vacant during his tenure.

    Tillerson had also expressed skepticism over the anti-Semitism position’s impact.

    “One of the things that we are considering — and we understand why [special envoys] were created and the good intentions behind why they were created — but one of the things we want to understand is by doing that, did we weaken our attention to those issues? Because the expertise in a lot of these areas lies within the bureaus, and now we’ve stripped it out of the bureaus,” Tillerson said during a 2017 hearing.

    The position was created in 2004 under the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. Past envoys have worked with European governments to counter anti-Semitic incidents and appoint their own officials to monitor hatred.

    Forman, for example, worked with Hungarian leaders in 2015 to abandon plans to erect a statue honoring former government minister Bálint Hóman, who helped deport more than 400,000 Jews to Auschwitz in 1944.

    There has been a noticeable rise in anti-Semitic incidents worldwide since that position was left vacant.

    Britain saw a 34 percent jump in assaults in 2017 and France reportedly had a 26 percent jump during the same period, according to figures from a British anti-Semitism watchdog group. And this year saw the fatal stabbing of an 85-year-old French Holocaust survivor in March, in what Paris prosecutors believe was an anti-Semitic attack.

    Anti-Defamation League spokesman Todd Gutnick said they too hoped the role would be filled “as quickly as possible” considering the rise in violence.

    “America plays an essential role in the fight against anti-Semitism, but this role has been hamstrung for well over a year,” Gutnick said in a statement. “Giving the near daily reports of anti-Semitic attacks and incidents across Europe and elsewhere, there’s no better time for a capable and dedicated individual in this post to spur diplomatic efforts to stem anti-Semitism abroad.”

    Brookings Middle East policy expert Shalom Lipner said he didn’t think the appointment would be held up indefinitely since combating anti-Semitism was as “apolitical an issue as you can find right now.”

    He added that the rise in anti-Jewish assaults while the post was left vacant could lead some to question the ability of a single, new envoy to “put the toxic genie back in its lantern,” but said the post still “holds great symbolic value,” as world leaders wonder whether Washington will continue to weigh in on instances of anti-Semitism in their country.

    “A lot of people look for moral leadership,” said Lipner, who served as an advisor in the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office. “This issue can affect broader relationships.”

    Contact Ben Fractenberg at [email protected] or on Twitter, @fractenberg


    https://forward.com/news/national/402124/advocates-urge-sec-pompeo-to-quickly-appoint-anti-semitism-envoy-after/?utm_content=daily_Newsletter_MainList_Title_Position-1&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20-%20Sun%202018-06-02&utm_term=The%20Forward%20Today%20Monday-Friday

    May 23, 2018
    The Honorable Michael Pompeo Secretary of State
    U.S. Department of State
    2201 C Street NW
    Washington, DC 20520 Dear Mr. Secretary:
    Now that you have been confirmed as Secretary of State, we wish you every success in this essential work and in representing the interests of every American. As members of civil society and faith-based groups who care deeply about combating global anti-Semitism, we hope that the United States will remain a leader in fighting this global problem. A near-term action you can take to signal that this will be a priority for you is to immediately identify and appoint someone to the position of U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti- Semitism, as you pledged to do in your written nomination hearing responses. We are also concerned that the position of Assistant Secretary for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor remains vacant. These two positions work best when they work together.
    The special envoy position has now sat vacant for over fifteen months, seven of which have passed since Secretary of State Rex Tillerson recommitted to retain it in August. Five bipartisan Congressional letters have been sent to the administration on the subject – emphasizing just how seriously Members of both parties and in both chambers of Congress view this continued vacancy. We urge you to work with the White House to advance the staffing of the Special Envoy position as one of your priority actions.
    The absence of a U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism is particularly distressing given the increased number of anti-Semitic incidents taking place around the world, including in many countries where the United States enjoys otherwise strong diplomatic ties.
    For example, during 2017, violent anti-Semitic assaults increased 34 percent in Britain according to the Community Security Trust and increased 26 percent in France according to the French Ministry of the Interior. In March, an 85-year-old French Holocaust survivor was brutally stabbed to death because she was Jewish and left to burn in her home in Paris. Two Jewish houses of worship were firebombed in Sweden, including one where Jewish youths were gathered inside. And synagogues in Tunisia and Iran were also desecrated.
    In January 2018, the Polish Sejm passed a law, later signed by President Andrzej Duda, that criminalizes certain speech about individual Polish complicity or collaboration during the Holocaust. As a result, anti-Semitic rhetoric in Poland, in both private media and on state television, has intensified.

    The Special Envoy position and the Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, established under the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act (Public Law 108-332), which Congress passed in 2004 with broad bipartisan support, and signed into law by President George W. Bush, were created to respond to crises such as these. Past envoys have developed and implemented policies and partnerships to combat antisemitism, working with foreign governments and civil society.
    With each additional day that passes without a Special Envoy due to U.S. inaction, Jewish communities around the world are less safe. And our European allies do not have a high level official dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism to whom to turn for assistance.
    Congressional commitment to the position and staffing the office has since been prioritized through appropriations. House Report 114-693 on the FY17 Omnibus specified that "the Committee recommendation... includes funds for support of the Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism." The explanatory statement on the FY17 Omnibus went further, declaring that "the Secretary of State is directed to fill the position of Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism authorized by Public Law 108-332 in a timely manner."
    Last summer, nearly two dozen of the nation's most prominent religious leaders - including representatives of the Catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Evangelical, Hindu, Sikh, and Jewish faiths - signed an open letter to Secretary Tillerson urging him to fill the position "as soon as possible." In June of last year, 116 Members of Congress signed a letter that urged Secretary Tillerson “to maintain staff in the Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism" while an envoy was being selected.
    We cannot afford further delay in fully addressing the problems and threats facing Jewish communities around the world. By appointing a respected and effective advocate, and equipping the office of the Special Envoy with adequate resources and staffing, you will be reasserting U.S. moral leadership on this issue and reassuring Jewish communities that
    the United States stands with them.
    Failing to come together in the face of this rising tide of hate also would threaten the progress made since the Holocaust toward a world based on respect for human rights. Where antisemitism is resurgent, it is a harbinger of greater human rights problems. Therefore, it is also important to nominate an Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor who will work closely with the Special Envoy.
    We urge you to fully implement Public Law 108-332 by returning adequate administrative and subject-matter staff to the Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism and appointing a respected and qualified U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism without delay.
    Sincerely,

    Organizations:
    Agudath Israel of America
    Anti-Defamation League
    B’nai B’rith International
    Hadassah, The Women’s Zionist Organization of America, Inc. HIAS
    Human Rights First
    Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington Jewish Community Relations Council of New York
    Jewish Council for Public Affairs
    Jewish Democratic Council of America
    The Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice
    National Coalition Supporting Eurasian Jewry (NCSEJ) National Council of Jewish Women
    The Rabbinical Assembly
    Reconstructing Judaism
    Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
    Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission Union for Reform Judaism
    Union of Councils for Jews in the Former Soviet Union (UCSJ) World Jewish Congress United States
    Individuals:
    Affiliation is provided for identification purposes only
    Ambassador Akbar Ahmed, Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies, American University
    Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office, USCCB
    Howard Berman, former Member of Congress and former Chair, House Foreign Affairs Committee
    Professor Nicole Bibbins Sedaca, Chair, Global Politics and Security Concentration, Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University

    Erik Brattberg, Director and Fellow, Carnegie Europe Program, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    Stuart Cobert
    The Honorable Debra Lerner Cohen
    Viviane Eisenberg, Vice President Legal Affairs, Home Box Offices, Inc.
    Gregory Feifer, Institute of Current World Affairs
    Richard Foltin, Senior Scholar for Religious Freedom, Religious Freedom Center, Freedom Forum Institute
    Ira Forman, former U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
    Jeffrey Gedmin, Atlantic Council
    Ilan Goldenberg, Center for a New American Security
    Holly R. Huffnagle, former policy advisor to the U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
    Michael Jacobs, Partner, Morrison & Foerster, LLP
    Jonathan Katz, Senior Fellow, The German Marshall Fund of the United States
    James Kirchik, Visiting Fellow, The Brookings Institution
    Scott Lasensky, former American diplomat
    Ambassador Sarah Mendelson, former US Representative to the UN’s Economic and Social Council
    Thomas O. Melia, Washington Director, PEN America Blaise Misztal, The Bipartisan Policy Center
    Hannah Rosenthal, former U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, President and CEO, the Milwaukee Jewish Federation
    Daniel B. Shapiro, former U.S. Ambassador to Israel
    Nina Shea, Director, Hudson Institute’s Center for Religious Freedom Mary Ann Stein, President, the Moriah Fund
    Daniel Vajdich, Non-Resident Senior Fellow, The Atlantic Council Veronika Velch, Advocacy Director, Ridgely | Walsh
    cc:
    Vice President Mike Pence
    Deputy Secretary of State John J. Sullivan
    Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom Sam Brownback

    https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/sites/default/files/SEAS-Letter-Pompeo.pdf

    Hi geokat62,

    Thanks, but as a West Scranton native & present resident, and having read the “list” of signatory organizations to the prejudiced plea for a “Special Envoy” appointment, Zionist letter, I am bummed out.

    F.y.i. Am a life long eastern (Byzantine) Catholic, and the reason for my disappointment & distress is found below.

    “Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office,”

    Words fall short to describe my gratitude for your consistent GOOD WORKS, but thanks so much, geo.

    Selah, tremors in Father Coughlin’s grave.

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    “Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office,”
     
    I have to admit, Chuck, this info initially caught my eye as well and I thought about bringing it to your attention, but since I wasn’t 100% sure if it was the same Scranton, I decided not to.
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  151. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hi geokat62,

    Thanks, but as a West Scranton native & present resident, and having read the "list" of signatory organizations to the prejudiced plea for a "Special Envoy" appointment, Zionist letter, I am bummed out.

    F.y.i. Am a life long eastern (Byzantine) Catholic, and the reason for my disappointment & distress is found below.

    "Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office,"

    Words fall short to describe my gratitude for your consistent GOOD WORKS, but thanks so much, geo.

    Selah, tremors in Father Coughlin's grave.

    “Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office,”

    I have to admit, Chuck, this info initially caught my eye as well and I thought about bringing it to your attention, but since I wasn’t 100% sure if it was the same Scranton, I decided not to.

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    Hi geokat,

    By paraphrase of P.G's article title, am going to write something rather mean spirited toward Bishop Bambera.

    First, as a few commenters here seem to have forgotten, this article title is "MEK's money sure can't buy love."

    By signing the letter, it's apparent to me that Bishop Bambera's "love" for elite US Zionist censors & contempt for anti-semitism might help the Scranton Diocese relieve some additional financial pressure.

    With prayer that you won't keel over from boredom, geo, I'll offer context. (Zigh)

    F.y.i, the headline in today's The Times-Tribune is "Diocese has jury report on abuse."

    The Diocese of Scranton & five (5) other Roman Catholic dioceses received a Pennsylvania grand jury report that outlined how decades of sexual abuse allegations against priests were handled administratively.

    And when will the the report seep down to the flock trough? Eh-hem. "State Attorney General Josh Shapiro expects the grand jury report late this month...," right before Independence Day fireworks are launched (on scene) at Scranton's courthouse square.

    Selah, (Zigh) Indulgences, "put your two-cents in and away goes your sin!"

    Thanks, geo!
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  152. @geokat62

    “Bishop Joseph Bambera, Bishop of Scranton, Chair of the Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs Office,”
     
    I have to admit, Chuck, this info initially caught my eye as well and I thought about bringing it to your attention, but since I wasn’t 100% sure if it was the same Scranton, I decided not to.

    Hi geokat,

    By paraphrase of P.G’s article title, am going to write something rather mean spirited toward Bishop Bambera.

    First, as a few commenters here seem to have forgotten, this article title is “MEK’s money sure can’t buy love.”

    By signing the letter, it’s apparent to me that Bishop Bambera’s “love” for elite US Zionist censors & contempt for anti-semitism might help the Scranton Diocese relieve some additional financial pressure.

    With prayer that you won’t keel over from boredom, geo, I’ll offer context. (Zigh)

    F.y.i, the headline in today’s The Times-Tribune is “Diocese has jury report on abuse.”

    The Diocese of Scranton & five (5) other Roman Catholic dioceses received a Pennsylvania grand jury report that outlined how decades of sexual abuse allegations against priests were handled administratively.

    And when will the the report seep down to the flock trough? Eh-hem. “State Attorney General Josh Shapiro expects the grand jury report late this month…,” right before Independence Day fireworks are launched (on scene) at Scranton’s courthouse square.

    Selah, (Zigh) Indulgences, “put your two-cents in and away goes your sin!”

    Thanks, geo!

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  153. @Hessler
    Hi TruthtellerAryan,

    Not long ago I hated alcohol because of what it does to the body and mind, how it influence the human behavior. I had a neighbour who was alcoholic to his bones. I use to hate him more then I hated anyone. I wanted satisfaction, one without the icurring reactions so I turned to sprituality but it required a cost, way above then what I could pay. So instead I caved in and turned to alcohol for the satisfaction I was looking for. The neighbour that I hated became my best friend. I had to get close to him because of his connections to acquire the stuff at special discount, his knowledge about the use and effects of alcohol. It was the friendship born out of necessity. It had nothing to do with respect or emotions.

    I'm the west. The neighbour is the Jew. The alcohol is the money supply. Satisfaction is the world domination.

    Hi Hessler, been away a few days and didn’t look at UR.
    A very good analogy. If you’re a stranger in town/country. But this is our home (The West) and our people (Caucasian). We’re not strangers, we surely can find a nice “pub”, or a discounted “liquor store “. After all we own the “damn breweries, distilleries , and vineyards “. Now, in the world, why would we want someone (Rothschild ) to point out where are our own bars (Taxes) are, for God’s sake.
    We’ve become dependent on the very parasite that’s making us sick, and which will make eventually kill us…..?????

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  154. @Frankie P
    So, in summary, you and the west have both sold your souls at the behest of your hated, parasitic, alcoholic neighbors who you decided to embrace.

    Hi Frankie P
    Well put. Begging them for money, ironically given by “us”. Read the news written by our own (some), supervised by an “expert Zionist “. MSM , Hollywood entertainment propaganda, using our Caucasian sisters and daughters to enhance the message, always with a propped up Jew who can’t act. Pathetic how we can’t see this. I think if our choices (shoved upon) are these cuckhold whores in all three branches of our sinking “ship “, we should encourage all on the BDSM

    Look at loyalty, they won’t join the army of “slaves”, but are proud to fly from the land of their birth and join a ” foreign terrorist group (IDF) and proudly kill native Palestinians, the “Nurse” case and this government only has praises for this terrorist. When did Palestinians have a conflict with us? But all the butchering is done by our money, our weapons …,,, and our “citizens “…..,.

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  155. @Brendon O'Connell

    I intuit Brendon O. might be young and privileged to have traveled & learn things about ZUSA-designated “rogue” nations.
     
    No. I'm 47. A former Comprehensive Registered Nurse and the last nine years are a movie.

    I spent three years in maximum security for defending the Palestinans, had my bones broken and completed a long hunger strike and got a personal letter to then President Mamoud Armedinejad where in 2012 I asked for political asylum from prison in Western Australia to which the reply came back..."With open arms".

    Sometimes we make very bad assumptions about people online.

    Unlike the majority - my life is an open book for anyone that wants to read.

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2018/04/what-happened-with-high-court-case.html

    https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2017/02/brendon-oconnell-left-iran-on-30.html

    Did the hunger strike bear useful fruit?

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