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The Jeffrey Epstein saga goes on even though convicted pedophile Epstein himself has been found hanged in his jail cell in Manhattan. One has to wonder how he managed to kill himself, if that is indeed the case, as he was reportedly on suicide watch at the prison and it is to be presumed that he had been stripped of any clothing or accoutrements that would have been usable to that end. So, he is dead but did he do it himself or was he helped? There are many prominent individuals and powerful government agencies that will be very pleased that he is gone as most of his secrets will have gone to the grave with him.

There was certainly a warning that something might happen. Two weeks ago, he was reportedly found unconscious in his jail cell with marks around his neck. It was suggested that he might have tried to kill himself or, alternatively, had been beaten up by another inmate. There was also considerable speculation that some aggrieved part of the Deep State was trying to kill him to silence him.

The subsequent press reports revealed that Epstein had been taken to a hospital, but there has been no follow-up about his condition or status apart from a brief note that he had been returned to the same jail under suicide watch. In any event, the story had pretty much died, which is precisely what a lot of the high rollers and politicians who became involved with Epstein would have liked to see happen. Nevertheless, investigations of the “Affair Epstein” reportedly were continuing at the federal level as well as in New York State and Florida.

The most recent elaboration of the Epstein saga prior to his death came from his former patron Leslie Wexner, the canny Jewish business tycoon who built an Ohio based fashion empire called L Brands from scratch. L Brands, by the way, includes Victoria’s Secret, which features young women strutting around in their underwear. The 81 year old Wexner claimed in a 564 word letter that the wily Epstein “misappropriated vast sums of money” from him. In the letter Wexner admitted to having lost at least $46 million from his family money, but some media accounts are suggesting that the fraud amounted to much more, possibly as much as $500 million. And the alleged theft also extended to property, to include the series of transactions that left Epstein possessing the Upper East Side mansion where he resided and did his filming of celebrities having sex with young girls, estimated to be worth $56 million, as well as the commercial airliner that became the Lolita Express and a yacht.

(Leslie Wexner. Credit: American Academy of Achievement/ YouTube)
(Leslie Wexner. Credit: American Academy of Achievement/ YouTube)

Now, either sum of purloined money is not exactly pocket change even for multi-billionaire Wexner, even if rag trade magnate was enamored of the massages he was getting at Epstein’s house. It would take an extremely poor businessman to be unaware of losing that kind of money and that much property unless his name were Donald Trump.

Wexler claimed that he began to sever ties with Epstein in 2007, after Florida authorities charged Jeffrey in early 2006 with multiple counts of molestation and unlawful sexual activity with a minor. In 2008, Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges of solicitation of prostitution from a minor and was required to register as a sex offender, but he received an astonishingly mild jail sentence of eighteen months with a private cell, unlimited visitors including young women, and daily release so he could be picked up by his driver to go to work in his Palm Beach office, a bit of incomprehensible leniency that is currently being subjected to criminal investigation by the state of Florida. After the sentence was handed down the county sheriff observed that “He was astonished that [Epstein] had to go to prison at all.”

Indeed, the entire Florida side of the Epstein story seems to have disappeared down some memory hole. Epstein was convicted for his involvement with prostitution, but the only remaining issue was the consequences that he faced. That is where other players stepped in, including Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz, Palm Beach county state attorney Barry Krischer, and the Miami office U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta.

My belief that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence agent is based principally on Acosta’s comments when being cleared by the Trump transition team. He was asked “Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” … “Acosta testified that he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had ‘been told’ to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. ‘I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.’”

The questions about Epstein remain even though he is gone, but one fears that the authorities will be disinclined to further investigate a dead man. It appears that no one in the various investigative agencies or the mainstream media has been interested in what Acosta meant, even though it would be simple enough to ask him. Who told him to back off? And how did they explain it? And then there is Epstein’s Austrian passport. Was it fake or real, with a real name and photo substitution or alternation of both picture and name? How did he get it? Austrian passports are highly desirable in intelligence circles because the country is neutral and its holders can travel just about everywhere without a visa.

And there’s more. As a former intelligence officer myself, there is little doubt in my mind that what Epstein did and how he did it was an intelligence operation. There is no other viable explanation for his filming of prominent politicians and celebrities having sex with young girls. And as for the question of whom Epstein might have been working for, the most likely answer is Mossad. The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans, but American movers and shakers like Bill Clinton, with his 26 trips on the Lolita Express, former Governor Bill Richardson, or former Senator George Mitchell are precisely the types of “agents of influence” that the Mossad would seek to coerce or even blackmail into cooperation.

Other compelling evidence for a Mossad connection came from Epstein’s relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell, who reportedly served as his key procurer of young girls. Ghislaine is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who died or possibly was assassinated in mysterious circumstances in 1991. Maxwell was an Anglo-Jewish businessman, very cosmopolitan in profile, like Epstein, a multi-millionaire who was very controversial with what were regarded as ongoing ties to Mossad. After his death, he was given a state funeral by Israel in which six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence listened while Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said.”

Israel and high-profile Jewish players also have continued to turn up like bad pennies in the Epstein case, but no one seems to be interested in pursuing that angle. Epstein clearly had contact with former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres and Ehud Barak and Wexner also had close ties to the Jewish state and its government. Barry Krischer, who may have been the source of the comments to Acosta, has received the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) award. Evidence also suggests that Krischer, cooperating with rabidly pro-Israel Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz, played a key role in the failure to adequately punish Epstein for his conviction for pedophilia. According to a recent New Yorker story, the police investigators of the Epstein case observed that “the tone and tenor of the discussions of this case with Krischer changed completely” after his meetings with Dershowitz. At that point, the two detectives most involved in the case found themselves under extreme pressure. They were surveilled constantly by private investigators and they even had their household trash snatched and searched. And the resulting plea agreement with Krischer “…was due to the efforts of Dershowitz, who had proceeded to attack and smear the victims.”

Krischer claims that his office “subpoenaed witnesses took evidence to a Grand Jury, which returned a single felony count indictment against Epstein of soliciting prostitution,” but the reality appears to be that he worked with the defense to get Epstein off. There was plenty of evidence based on more than forty interviews with victims to convict Epstein, but instead of having him arrested, Krischer instead set up the Grand Jury with no mention of underage victims to mitigate the possible consequences. He also did not inform the victims of what he had arranged so they could challenge the verdict and penalty, a violation of Crime Victims Rights Act.

The Palm Beach police who worked the case at the time told The Miami Herald as part of an investigation published in November that they felt pressured by Krischer to downgrade Epstein’s case to a misdemeanor, or to drop it entirely. They said “the fix was in.” Acosta, more recently, did not refer to Krischer by name during an early July news conference, but spoke of the Palm Beach County state’s attorney. He described his own office as stepping in to ensure Epstein faced some form of punishment. “Simply put, the Palm Beach State Attorney’s Office was willing to let Epstein walk free. No jail time. Nothing,” Acosta said. “Prosecutors in my former office found this to be completely unacceptable, and we became involved.”

After thirteen months in country club jail in Palm Beach, Epstein was released. At his mansion in New York City, he subsequent had an artist paint a mural of himself in jail, evidently as an insider joke for those who knew about his time behind bars. End of story? Not exactly, even though Epstein is now dead. But the key questions go unanswered including was he a spy for Israel? And what about the Krischer-Dershowitz connection that kept him from being punished commensurate with his crimes? Did those instructions also come from Israel or from its friends in the U.S. Justice Department? Will the three simultaneous investigations currently taking place even continue and ask the right questions now that the target of the investigation is gone? Given the high stakes in the game, quite likely, there will be a cover-up both of how Epstein lived and how he died. We the public will never know what Epstein was all about.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

(Republished from American Herald Tribune by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. iffen says:

    We the public will never know what Epstein was all about.

    Astute observation, which means of course that we can endlessly speculate with little fear of contradiction.

    Question: If I film a person having sex with an underage girl I have committed a major felony. How many people would use that film as blackmail knowing that its release will land him in prison?

  2. Another in your face murder by tptb. I would have thought a sociopathic mosad asset would have set up a trip wire dump of his goodies in case of sudden unexplained death. Same with Julian Assange.

  3. iffen says:

    Anyway, you can just look at a picture of Alan Dershowitz and see that he is the kind of guy that loses sleep every night over the question of whether some older guys are bonking underage girls.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Abbybwood
  4. For too many people, it’s the ideal outcome. Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew…those are the ones we spotted.

    Moreover, it’s possible the pool was about to expand a lot. Drawn by the scent of that supposed five hundred million dollar fortune, a law firm was searching for more of Epstein’s victims. Who knows who they would have named?

    There would have been a welter of civil suits, All the beans could have been spilled.

    And gee…now we’ll never know. I doubt if much trace of that supposed fortune is ever going to be found. It never was clear how Epstein made money, or even who he made it from, and yet he had multiple fabulous estates — including his own private island — and a private Boeing 727. Whoever supplied the funds for all this is going to go away, leaving no trail behind them.

  5. I’m reminded of the considerably more obscure Zygier case.

    Zygier was an Australian Jew who followed that familiar path for idealistic young Jews from the diaspora: get smitten with Israel, make aliyah, and serve in Israel’s noble armed forces.

    In Zygier’s case, his service took the form of joining the Mossad. Evidently, he saw something there that offended his refined ethical sensibilities; he was locked up and held incommunicado pending trial. Sadly, he ‘committed suicide’ — in a cell under twenty-four hour suicide watch — before he could appear in court.

    The M.O. seems the same.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Bubba
  6. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:

    If there was any doubt, this should really put paid to any ingenuous belief that there is justice, or lack of corruption when it comes to important people in this country. We’re like every other nation.
    If it’s important, liars all.

    • Agree: jack daniels
  7. Lot says:

    “the most likely answer is Mossad”

    Good summary of all of your articles!

  8. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “a law firm was searching for more of Epstein’s victims. Who knows who they would have named?”

    They can still sue his estate. Not like it matters much for civil suits if he is dead. His testimony would not have been credible or helpful for either side.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Abbybwood
  9. Muggles says:

    Hmmm… the notorious Whitey Bulgar is beaten to death by mafia goons in a high security federal prison. Now Mr. Epstein is found hanged in a NYC jail (details pending). Lots of people wanted both of these guys dead. And forever silent.

    Seems like having your intended victim safely under lock and key is the best way to keep them permanently quiet. An old but reliable tactic.

    Let’s see who’s celebrating with a big party this weekend.

    • Agree: anon19
    • Replies: @CK
    , @anon
    , @abbybwood
    , @melpol
    , @melpol
  10. Kali says:

    One other aspect to the aledged death of Epstein – only yesterday the headlines were full of the fact that the Florida case files have now been unsealed. Today it’s all about his ‘suicide’.

    Nice tuming.

    I doubt he’s dead. More likely he’s been whisked off to a life of secluded (read hidden) luxury in occupied Palestine, aka, ‘israel’.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  11. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    We’re going to have to put all those Qanon types under suicide watch, too. They were soooo convinced there was a top-secret conspiracy theory by civnat patriots loyal to MAGA who were going to bring Epstein and the deep state down any time now. ahahahahahahahah nope. Do you guys really think anyone in the DHS or CIA would waste their time commenting on Reddit or 4chan? How could anyone think that? Only loser FBI guys do that kind of thing. Real deepstate types are psychopaths who could care less. And the whole thing will be covered up now. Called it weeks ago here on this site: the previous attack by a corrupt former NYC cop convicted of murdering people for the mob was the classic “suicide” attempt and he was the perfect patsy. I – the whole internet including Russia Today – speculated they’d kill Epstein before there was a trial and what do you know, they did. Qanon. Smh. That’s a coping mechanism guys. Oppressed people often invent fairy tales to soothe their anxieties. There is no one in power working for you. If there were, they would have shut down this obvious Mossad front long ago … with extreme prejudice of the type that’d make other Epsteins beg for this kind of end.

    • Replies: @Tony Ryals
    , @MBlanc46
    , @kula
  12. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    “Good summary of all of your articles!”

    They lash out as they strike you and they deny they strike you as you tell them to stop.

    “Not like it matters much for civil suits if he is dead. His testimony would not have been credible or helpful for either side.”

    Depending upon what was in his testimony, it could have been quite valuable to someone.

  13. Kayjay says:

    I can’t even understand why he came back to the states to be arrested. With all his contacts he must have known that if he came here that would be the outcome. If the powers that be wanted to get rid of him he would have had an accident ages ago. Maybe it was more important to have him arrested and instill fear in all the people caught up by his honey trap it certainly would help to exert pressure if there was a particular agenda that needed to be accomplished. My feeling is that he has been whisked off to a new life with his awesome retirement package.

  14. peterAUS says:

    Beautiful, for a couple of reasons:
    TPTBs really, REALLY, don’t care what the rest think or feel. Well, except for one thing, maybe: “Look what we can do to one of us. Now….think a bit, what can we do to YOU?”.
    The “rest”, at the same time, also don’t care much. Most people won’t simply register this. So much for “informing/educating people to create a positive social change”.
    The very mechanisms of society which are supposed to prevent this, let alone investigate and punish the perpetrators, obviously, won’t do it. Independent…..hahahaha…..media. Judiciary. Police. Famed security services.
    If this had happened anywhere else in the world the USA media/public would’ve been shitting, with reason, all over it. Not in the land of free. Well, that does prove that American society is exceptional.

    This is really “in your face”. Scary, actually, how “they” really don’t care. Not because “they” are what they are. Because “we” are what “we” are.

    It would be interesting to see what’s going to happen to the plebs involved. My take: some disciplinary action now. And, perhaps, the same guy(s) employed somewhere with much better pay and perks.
    Or dead.
    Doesn’t’ matter, of course.

    What a world.
    Just beautiful.

  15. anon[544] • Disclaimer says:

    “If I film a person having sex with an underage girl I have committed a major felony. How many people would use that film as blackmail knowing that its release will land him in prison?”

    For the same reason people build nuclear weapons but don’t ever use them: the potential for MAD is there should anyone get out of line and attack … so there is never an attack. The money keeps flowing to Israel and no administration votes against them in the UN.* Besides, if Epstein were contracted by Mossad, they presumably would have copies of this dirt and they could easily release it through a third party. That’s certainly a calculation the victims would have made. We already know a former Israeli PM with high level contacts in the IDF and, possibly, Mossad not only had personal contact with Epstein but also had a business relationship with him through a company based in Israel. Wexner could have funneled money through that company to conceal the operation’s finances, which would have been beyond the ability of US regulators to examine.

    Personally, I find it incredulous that Wexner would have been unaware of missing $500 million. That’s an extraordinary sum. We know Wenxer is an ardent Israeli nationalist who has in the past organized fellow Jewish billionaires (Study Group / Mega Group) for the purposes of promoting “Jewish charity” … the perfect front to run an operation. Study this man’s ties and you will almost certainly find Mossad. Wexner was the perfect means to fund Epstein’s operation: wealthy, ethnocentric, and highly connected to other big time players in finance, politics, and the entertainment industries (great for recruiting) – the perfect cover to shield Israel from blow back in the unlikely event the operation became public. This was Mossad. Count on it. … it’s what I would do.

    *Sorta funny how American administrations stopped voting against Israeli interests around the time when video cameras became widespread, isn’t it? Further, has anyone ever wondered what happens when all those freshly minted democrats join leadership in their freshmen luxury tours of Israel? Seems like the perfect time to gather some dirt. I wonder if their hotel rooms get special visits from young women? If I were honest CIA, I might have a problem with this activity … if I were honestly working for this country and not a certain other one, that is.

  16. anon[544] • Disclaimer says:

    “If the powers that be wanted to get rid of him he would have had an accident ages ago.”

    …unless they were in on it. Or maybe they wanted to cover it up without drawing attention. An untimely death might have done that. Besides, you don’t just kill the operative of your nation’s bestest friend in the whole wide world, do you?

    “My feeling is that he has been whisked off to a new life with his awesome retirement package.”

    That’s possible. If so, look for a shadowy figure resembling Epstein to pop up in Qatar or the UAE in a luxury apartment building sometime in the future. He’ll likely dye his hair and undergo rhinoplasty – the safest plastic surgery that can also have DRASTIC affects on someone’s appearance, much more so than you might think.

  17. unit472 says:

    So many questions and we are supposed to have confidence in the same FBI and DOJ that created Russiagate to investigate another stinking pile of corruption? Why not appoint James Comey as a special counsel to investigate the Epstein affair? That will keep everything hidden for a few years.

    Here’s what bothers me. George Mitchell, Bill Richardson even Bill Clinton are has beens and, let’s face it, to a septuagenarian lecher the difference between an 16 year old and an 18 year old girl is a distinction without a difference. Epstein could have run his version of the Playboy Mansion unhindered for the rest of his life had he just made sure his ‘pleasure units’ had drivers licenses that said they were 18. Hell, Monica Lewinsky was 21 and Bill Clinton risked his presidency to conceal that affair. If blackmail is your game you don’t need teenyboppers to ruin a political career. Ask Gary Hart or John Edwards!

    There is something missing in this Epstein drama. Something so devastating that it goes beyond any single person’s survival. Something that would bring down an agency ( like the FBI ) were it to be revealed.

    • Agree: fnn
  18. Goy says:
    @peterAUS

    With all the dystopian bills and laws passed in the last two years, with the current attack on the 1st and 2nd amendment, with the effective neutering of congress and its politicians reduction to puppets for special interests and the lobby, finally with the attack on the internet, you knew the West is moving into totalitarian mode. But the murder-suicide of Epstein outright confirms it. Welcome to the USSA. It’s a big club and YOU ain’t in it!

    Unless you are a billionaire, Zionist or top level agent useful to them of course.

    But it does make you wonder what Americans will do. If the British crown had done a 1/10th of what the current elite does… You have to wonder if Ernst Zundel’s prophecy will come true in the end. Or if the people will really just go quietly into the night and slumber away consuming superhero movies, junk food and second-hand memories of a time long passed and dreams of a fake utopia that will never be and was a lie to begin with.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  19. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:

    Epstein is likely still alive.

    There is no confirmation that body was his.

  20. renfro says:
    @Anonymous

    There is no confirmation that body was his.

    3 Photos of ‘Epstein’s body on a gurney

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/photos-show-jeffrey-epstein-as-hes-wheeled-into-downtown-hospital/

    Are reporters or photographs usually allowed in the emergency intake areas of hospitals? With all the “Restricted” signs posted I wouldn’t think so.. yet one was.
    So if he isn’t offed and is on his way sunny Israel instead the PTB sure want us to believe he’s dead.

  21. “The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans”

    …annd, the laser dot on Giraldi’s forehead blinks off!

    Operation Midnight Climax. 300,000 US citizens in your CHAOS computer file, 13,000 subject dossiers including 7,200 201s. 3,000 files to and 11,000 files from the focal points in your FBI Stasi. DCI Helms’ memorandum of September 6, 1969. 8,000,000 of us in Main core. CIA use of “non-compulsory” NSLs.

    You pukes can torture, get away with it, and get promoted all the way to the top. You can commit the crime against peace of aggression by the sending of armed bands, groups, irregulars or mercenaries – Nuremberg Count 2 – get away with it, and get medals to finger in the vault. You can whack your own head of state and turn off investigative efforts at all levels of government like a light switch. But surveillance – that’s where you draw the line. You actually expect us to believe CIA doesn’t spy on us… anymore?

    How fucking droolingly stupid do you think we are?

    Verbatim repetition of the slogan above has that DO smell. Less insulting bullshit, please.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Whitewolf
  22. renfro says:
    @peterAUS

    This is really “in your face”. Scary, actually, how “they” really don’t care. Not because “they” are what they are. Because “we” are what “we” are.

    Somewhat true but the fish rots from the head down.
    Don’t forget that most people are followers, not leaders or independent thinkers….so they imitate those above them…taking on their views and values or lack of.

    The country is politically and socially sick….it needs a giant enema.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
  23. @iffen

    Question: If I film a person having sex with an underage girl I have committed a major felony. How many people would use that film as blackmail knowing that its release will land him in prison?

    I suppose the film would be released on an anonymous basis.

    • Replies: @iffen
  24. @Lot

    ‘…They can still sue his estate. Not like it matters much for civil suits if he is dead. His testimony would not have been credible or helpful for either side.’

    You assume they can find his estate. I imagine that — the title to the plane, the island, the imaginary stock portfolio — is all going to prove remarkably evanescent.

    Whoever was funding Epstein is going to roll up the carpet behind them as they go. There’ll be nothing to take.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Lot
  25. iffen says:
    @Anonymous

    Epstein is likely still alive.

    There is no confirmation that body was his.

    It is my understanding that he is with Elvis now and there is a whole lot of shaking going on!

    • LOL: Che Guava
  26. @iffen

    ‘Anyway, you can just look at a picture of Alan Dershowitz and see that he is the kind of guy that loses sleep every night over the question of whether some older guys are bonking underage girls.’

    I read some story. In his law classes, Dershowitz almost obsessively brings up rape cases where the man was unreasonably charged. He’s seriously asserted that it shouldn’t be a crime to patronize prostitutes — but the prostitutes themselves should still be liable to arrest. In articles, he has argued that the statutory rape laws should be repealed if the girl in question is over fourteen (!).

    He’s a piece of work. I think he actually feels a need to see himself as perfectly virtuous while simultaneously indulging his crazed need to force underage shiksas to submit to degrading sexual acts. Picture Roman Polanski insisting on being allowed to take vows.

  27. @Anonymous

    ‘Epstein is likely still alive.

    There is no confirmation that body was his.’

    Oh he’s dead. One, he wasn’t that powerful. Two, he’s a liability so long as he’s alive.

    • Agree: Talha
  28. CK says:
    @Muggles

    Both of those deaths lead back to Mueller. Likewise the wrist slap for major kiddie porn distributor David Asimov ( son of Isaac ). If you venture farther back you find Mueller butt deep in the BCCI scandal.

  29. Maybe Putin should urge the Госду́ма to pass an Epstein Act and start sanctioning the hell out of US leaders.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  30. Tsigantes says:
    @Pantsonfire

    We have only been told he is dead – IMHO it’s much more likely he’s alive and in retirement, protected by his

    trip wire dump of… goodies

    If they wanted him dead and he was ‘unprotected’ it would have happened in 2008.

    He had a complex responsibility, it is impossible that he wouldn’t create a foolproof insurance.
    Either way his bosses still have his material.

    • Replies: @VICB3
  31. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    He probably has some money that can be found and some too well hidden. His death doesn’t change that.

    If he were 40, the victims might hope he’d make a deal for a lighter sentence in return for unhiding the money and paying restitution to the victims. So in that circumstance, they’d want him alive.

    But he was 68 and was never going to buy his way out of a virtual life sentence.

    Just making a small point here: his death will have little effect on his victims’ civil suits, positive or negative.

    Maybe his money isn’t as well hidden as we imagine. After all, he kept a big child porn stash right in NYC, and didn’t move to a no-extradition country. So he was either expecting to get away with his crimes or just really sloppy.

    What will probably happen is his estate and all the victims will enter a global settlement that leaves his heirs with maybe 10% of the money in return for not dragging the case out for a decade.

    The big question now is will his pimpette Giselle Maxwell sing

  32. iffen says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I’m not all that smart and I wouldn’t make such films and lose contol of them. Would you?

    • Replies: @ariadna
  33. peterAUS says:
    @Goy

    You have to wonder if Ernst Zundel’s prophecy will come true in the end. Or if the people will really just go quietly into the night and slumber away consuming superhero movies, junk food and second-hand memories of a time long passed and dreams of a fake utopia that will never be and was a lie to begin with.

    Former vs later 10/90% probability, IMHO.

    • Replies: @Goy
  34. I don’t know..but did they DNA test the body..is it really Epsteins’?

  35. As to how Epstein got his fake passport, it’s highly likely he got it from Ronald Lauder, son of Estée Lauder and currently President of the World Jewish Congress. At the time Epstein received his fake Austrian passport, Lauder was US ambassador to Austria.

    It’s time Wexner’s shady past received more scrutiny, as it would reveal everything about the true nature and extent of Epstein’s operation. Wexner has had both ties to the mob and the CIA. He shared the same very private terminal for fueling and customs inspections at Rickenbacker Airport with the CIA’s Southern Air Transport airline (later Evergreen Aviation), known for its “Torture Taxi” rendition flights and drug trafficking. Wexner used Southern Air Transport to fly clothing in from Hong Kong, which back in the day was the main heroin hub. It may be that Wexner received a cut of the CIA’s drug money for serving as a front, at a time when Epstein was doing the book keeping for Wexner.

    One of Wexner’s brands is called Express, which started out as Limited Express. No doubt “Lolita Express” is a play on that, as there was a habit of using variations of the Limited name. Wexner had a super yacht called “Limitless” that Epstein used.

    • Replies: @Maybe
    , @Tony Ryals
  36. renfro says:
    @anon

    Personally, I find it incredulous that Wexner would have been unaware of missing $500 million.

    Wexner knew it , he just didn’t do anything about it which begs the question why? There is also the question of why Wexner gave Epstein a ‘power of attorney’ over his family charity fund. A man in his position would have a dozen attorneys who would have told him not to do that.

    There were billions of dollars at risk on what Epstein could tell.

    ”Besides Lex Wexner of L Brands who now (15 years after the fact) says Epstein stole $45 million from him which he made no effort to get back there was Leon Black.

    ”Leon D. Black, head of Apollo Global Management one of the world’s largest private equity firms
    Black’s links to Epstein have become a source of concern to some Apollo employees and investors, including the California Public Employees’ Retirement System, which has committed more than $5 billion to 11 Apollo funds and is its second-largest shareholder.
    “Calpers takes this issue very seriously,” Wayne Davis, a spokesman for the Sacramento-based pension,”
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-31/jeffrey-epstein-had-a-door-into-apollo-his-deep-ties-with-black

    Black and Apollo would have been ruined forever if Calpers had withdrawn their pension money because of links to Epstein sexcapades.
    There are likely more WS and other financial figures linked to Epstein and there may have been crimes beyond underage girls such as actual sex trafficking and money laundering….his travel records included countries compatible with those activities.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  37. peterAUS says:
    @Craig Spence's 15 year old son

    You actually expect us to believe CIA doesn’t spy on us… anymore? How fucking droolingly stupid do you think we are?

    A lot. With reason. 90 % of people will buy that.

    Less insulting bullshit, please.

    Why? It works. Delivers, for the overwhelming majority. That’s all what matters.

  38. @Lot

    ‘…Maybe his money isn’t as well hidden as we imagine. After all, he kept a big child porn stash right in NYC, and didn’t move to a no-extradition country. So he was either expecting to get away with his crimes or just really sloppy…’

    Intentionally or not, you seem to be determinedly missing my point.

    Maybe the money never was Epstein’s. Maybe it was given to him to run the operations he ran. Epstein wasn’t an independent operator so much as an employee.

    Watch and see. If I’m right, everything will turn out to be in somebody else’s name. There won’t be an estate to sue.

    • Replies: @unit472
  39. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Epstein is likely still alive.

    Killing people is simple and cheap. Faking their death is incomparably more complicated and much more expensive.

    One may wonder where does the susceptibility to believe in victimless hoaxes come from? Too much crappy TV shows? Jellyfied brain? Disinfo?

    • Agree: Iris, Ron Unz
    • Disagree: TKK
    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @TKK
    , @sayless
  40. The likelihood of Epstein committing suicide reminds me of two other “suicide” stories.

    Slobodan Milosevic poisoned himself while he was in solitary confinement and under 24 hour surveillance. He was searched after meeting with his occasional restricted visitors, and only guards had access to his cell.
    Rudolf Diesel, inventor of the engine designed to run on vegetable oil, was on his way to meet with a British car manufacturer interested in his engine. On the ferry crossing the Channel, he became so depressed that he jumped off the ferry.
    Finally, there is a greatly modified joke from my long ago misspent youth. A black man’s body is found wrapped in chains at the bottom of the Detroit River. The police were saying it was an accidental death caused by him stealing more chains than he could swim with.

    Looks like Jeffrey had too many chains.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  41. Sean says:

    The Jeffrey Epstein saga goes on even though convicted pedophile Epstein himself has been found hanged in his jail cell in Manhattan. One has to wonder how he managed to kill himself, if that is indeed the case, as he was reportedly on suicide watch at the prison and it is to be presumed that he had been stripped of any clothing or accoutrements that would have been usable to that end

    Epstein was not Tommy Silverstein, they could not keep the keep him in a cage naked under constant observation indefinitely. Suicide watch is not something they can keep you on , especially in jail awaiting trial before you are convicted. People being checked on hang themselves with their underpants all the time. Even if naked or straitjacket or immobilized (four point chained to the bed) there are ways: you can swallow your tongue.

    It would have been more difficult in prison after he was convicted and he knew after admitting guilt in 2007 on virtually the same charges he was going to be convicted, never getting out, and wishing he was dead. Obvious what was going to happen as soon as the judge decided to keep him in custody. Epstein was not a convict in a supermax or Tommy Silverstein, they could not keep in a cage naked under constant observation indefinitely before he was even convicted.

  42. @Colin Wright

    He’s still valuable to the Mossad. And one thing worth pointing out is that Jews take matters of life and death very seriously when Jews are involved. They wouldn’t take kindly to the idea that one of their own snuffed it in a goy prison. If that is him on that gurney, my guess is he got up off it behind closed doors and snuck out of the hospital with his Mossad handlers. Two things accomplished: a famous Jew is still alive and the investigation of his empire hits a major roadblock.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @anon
    , @Rabbitnexus
  43. alexander says:

    Dear Phil,

    Given the overwhelming evidence of Mr. Epstein’s connection to powerful US leaders as well as, quite possibly, a foreign intelligence service, isn’t it time for the American People to demand a hard hitting, “leave no stone unturned” special prosecutor investigation ?

    If this does not have all the earmarks of influence peddling in both our democracy and our policy decisions , I cannot imagine what would.

  44. @peterAUS

    This is another great opportunity for the establishment media to wag their fingers at the “crazy right wing conspiracy nuts” who claim it was not suicide.

    They _love_ rubbing our noses in it.

    If you into prayer, how about praying to your favorite deity that Epstein had a “dead man’s switch” that will release all the blackmail files on to computer servers all over the world to be released on the Internet?

    Pascal’s wager, and all that…. 😉

  45. (((Epstein)))’s dead alright. When the SDNY crowd concluded they couldn’t use him to nail Trump w/o also bringing down the Clintons, (((Epstein))) became disposable. So he was disposed of. Via

    Arkancide/Mossadcide…there’s no difference any more:

    ZOG rules

    • Replies: @Goy
  46. SafeNow says:

    A commenter observed the “in your face” aspect of this event. I agree. The same, to me, with the dawn raids. Brando in Streetcar, unrestrained, unmannered, unafraid, and smelly, becomes the government. And, as Brandeis wrote in Olmstead, government is the omnipresent teacher, the people learning from its example. With the advent of media censorship, and the expanded definition of terrorism, I would not be surprised to see the shutting-down of this website, under a democrat president.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  47. I read that Epstein had been taken off suicide watch, that the video camera surveilling him had developed a technical malfunction, and that the guards assigned to him had been removed for 3 hours related to some maintenance chore. If this is so, there will be some explaining to do, and the internet will see to it that there is a lot of justified speculation. Even minor prisoners are under video-surveillance 24-7 in more modern facilities.

    Since Epstein had hundreds or thousands of videos of prominent people having sex with minors, the state has a duty to the victims and the public to go through this material and prosecute the clients where possible. This will naturally open up the discussion of a possible blackmailing operation.

    In a manner of speaking, God has done his part and the ball’s in our court. If we don’t do what we can to get this investigated properly we have ourselves to blame. This is a golden opportunity to expose the deep state. Don’t be content to whine or listen to Hannity whine. Whiners are losers.

  48. Goy says:
    @peterAUS

    It’s really unbelievable…it’s surreal! Even knowing these incidents for FACT…

    Many bring up “Weimerica”. But the Weimar Republic, terrible as it was, didn’t have a sitting president effectively pupeteered by a Jewish crime syndicate – Kushner, Inc. – with the opposition (sanctioned by the deep state) being just as corrupt, or a bloody Mossad child-sex ring preying on exclusively gentile girls to blackmail their elite, including presidents and many keyfigures in the Western elite and royalty!

    Unless you believe in the connections between the British aristocracy and Freemasonry and the Rothschilds of course.

    But the other factors are also all there:
    – the massive corruption
    – the bloated and overextended MIC increasingly filled with mercenaries of foreign background (Who will the US Arminius be?)
    – the disentegration of the people
    – the erosion of the carrying values of society and total decadence
    – the collapse and corruption of the traditional religion and culture
    – the near total subversion of the government
    – the debt
    – the over-taxation of the Middle Class and the inviolability of a hostile and foreign elite
    – the mass migration of the people
    – the rise of serious rivaling powers and contendors
    – citizens are dreaming themselves away as far as possible, just as at the latest stages of the Western Roman Empire

    And then there is all this bizzarre satanic symbolism, whether you believe it or not, someone does: from Kushner’s 666 Fith Avenue to spirit cooking and pizzagate. Marina Abramović, the Church of Satan and Anton Szandor Levi, ideological heirs of Sabbatai Zevi …

    What the literal hell is even going on anymore?! When and however will this end?!

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  49. unit472 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Epstein declared his assets to the court in an attempt to gain bond. Here is the breakdown.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-assets-listed-in-financial-disclosure-form-filed-by-lawyers-add-up-to-value-of-559120954-2019-07-16

    Since Epstein appears to have no wife or children it will be interesting to see if he left a will or if, like Howard Hughes, some Melvin Dummar type emerges claiming Epstein’s estate. Worth a try I suppose if you can get a lawyer to work on a contingency basis.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  50. @Colin Wright

    Oh he’s dead.

    It would be so simple to confirm, by fingerprints or DNA samples or a series of confirming photographs, in the presence of a phalanx of honest reporters … although these days I’m not sure who that would be.

    Instead, he’ll probably be cremated immediately, just like all the WTC steel was whisked to China and NASA “lost” 770 boxes of Apollo data and Bin Laden was tossed into the sea.

    At some point the post-event cover-ups become a confession of their malfeasance & deception.

  51. Goy says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Why would anyone have to bring down Trump? The man is fully compromised, a puppet and the FBI has already likely 15 years of material on him as revealed in Kushner, Inc.

    There is the possibility that Epstein functioned as a pass to the highest echelons: you would compromise yourself by having intercourse with minors, let Epstein record it, hand it over to Mossad and possibly other agencies he worked with. To show that you can be trusted. Not unlike Unz himself suggested and exemplified by McCain.

    But that is not necessary for Trump. Netanyahu gets everything he wants. And the whole Trump campaign was a distraction, bankrolled by Sheldon Adelson and managed by a former AIPAC guy and Christian Zionist and personal friend of Adelson Steve Bannon no less. Anyone who still believes Trump is not part of the deepest filth of “the swamp” is delusional and ignores way too many facts.

    There is no left, no right. There is no democracy. There is an unelected oligarchy and its political puppets. Long since bought and paid for before you and I were even born.

    • Replies: @Gordon Pratt
    , @GW
  52. @Colin Wright

    Assuming he is dead, and hasn’t been swapped for a suitable-looking corpse, have to see if he gets the Robert Maxwell funeral treatment (Maxwell had used his employees pension savings to attempt to prop up his share price).

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-day-the-captain-died-9185528.html

    Maxwell was accorded the next best thing to a state funeral, with President Chaim Herzog intoning over his corpse as it lay in Israel’s Hall of the Nation: “He scaled the heights. Kings and barons besieged his doorstep. He was a figure of almost mythological stature. An actor on the world stage, bestriding the globe, as Shakespeare says, like a colossus.” At his graveside on the Mount of Olives stood Herzog, Yitzhak Shamir, Ariel Sharon and Shimon Peres, to name a few of the country’s most powerful figures. For some, the turnout and Herzog’s words testified that Maxwell had been a faithful servant to Israel in the darker recesses of power and arms.

    Falling off the Lady Ghislaine seems to be bad for the health.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  53. bartolo1 says:
    @Sean

    Suicide watch at it’s most basic, and most effective. A man in a chair, with a clipboard by his side observing the prisoner/patient 24 hours constantly. Every 15 minutes a log entry is made using a numerical annotation that describes the condition of said person.

    Shifting out usually every hour or two.

    Easy to do and damn cheap.

    • Replies: @Sean
  54. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    The incredible surprise.

  55. renfro says:

    Calling all Trump’s white nationalist …here’s your girl boys……lol

    A Trump Official Just Posted on Instagram That Jeffrey Epstein Was “Hillary’d”

    [MORE]

    Lynne Martine Patton was designated in June 2017 by President Donald Trump to head Region II of the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees New York and New Jersey.
    She previously worked as an event planner for the Trump family, including planning the wedding of Eric Trump,
    On her Instagram page, Patton has waded into controversial territory before. In April, she posted a message mocking Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) for “cying” over the deluge of death threats she received after President Donald Trump tweeted an out-of-context attack on her. “In response, a few of Patton’s 84,000 followers took the opportunity to comment and some added death threats of their own,” Mother Jones’ Nathalie Baptiste reported at the time. “One Instagram user said he was surprised that no one had killed the congresswoman yet. Another user said someone should ‘just do it’ rather than just threatening Rep. Omar.”
    In May 2019, after using her government Twitter account to share a partisan tweet, Patton controversially remarked “I honestly don’t care” in regards to a potential violation of federal law under the Hatch Act.
    Trump HUD Official Lynne Patton Under Fire After Calling Journalist ‘Miss Piggy’
    Patton says she has struggled with substance abuse and addiction, and publicly praised the Trump family for standing by her through tough times.
    “Some donations to Trump Foundation count as Trump’s money, aide says”. Des Moines Register. p. A8. Lynne Patton, a senior assistant to three of Trump’s adult children and the vice president of son Eric Trump’s charitable foundation, told The Des Moines Register that some donations to the Donald J. Trump Foundation should be recognized as contributions from Trump himself because in some cases that money would have been paid to Trump directly.
    A longtime associate of President Donald Trump’s family, who reportedly has been tapped to lead federal housing programs in New York and New Jersey, touts attending Quinnipiac University School of Law on her LinkedIn page, but a university official said she only spent two semesters there and never graduated
    Politico. Her LinkedIn page cites Quinnipiac University School of Law, which she attended briefly, and Yale, which she didn’t attend at all.

    Lynne Patton‏Verified account @LynnePatton
    Follow Follow @LynnePatton
    Replying to @BilldeBlasio @realDonaldTrump
    No, because he also attacked your LAME WHITE ASS for the exact same thing the above non-white politicians have done for THEIR districts, which is #NADA.

    • Replies: @renfro
  56. Durruti says:

    Another fine analysis by Giraldi

    I wish to add and parse some important facts concerning this Jeffrey Epstein disgrace.

    Think Hamlet:

    Part I

    Epstein may be dead 1. Suicide -or-

    2. Suicided (eliminated) -or-

    3. Witness Protected (dead in name only)

    First Act Epswein is found lying -hurt- in his cell (maybe suicide or attacked).

    Second Act Epswein gets it right & self-Suicides (precedent established in the First Act: that he wants to die – doesn’t he?)

    Third Act is where the Chorus (read some damn Plays), reinforces the approved version of events surrounding Epstein’s death.

    Some commenters on other websites, have suggested that the Epstein-as presented in his last Arraignment – Bail Hearing – did not resemble the actual Epstein.

    [MORE]

    Even as a Witness protected perp, Epstein is, in a manner of speaking, executed. One way or another, he may no longer be present.

    Part II Witness Protection -or Eternal Life for MOSSAD/CIA Agents-

    Witness Protection is for an individual who Plea Bargains – by offering evidence that leads to the arrest of more important criminals. Witness Protection for Epstein does not fit any legal measurement (he is not revealing anyone – he has often pleaded the Fifth). This illegal Witness protection (if true), removes from public scrutiny a dangerous criminal. This action by our Rulers violates the law of the land, and the rights of our citizens, to be honestly informed of the status of the accused (Epswein), and the release of information, identification of, the criminal Perps he served, and who also must be arrested – for the maintenance of Public Safety.

    Either way, Epstein has been removed from legal justice, and We The People are denied information about (the identification of) sexual perps (as well as corrupt political perps/scum in our society).

    Key Point:

    After Epstein was first (supposedly) found unconscious in his cell, it is inconceivable that he was not watched 24/7. AS many of his clients (ALL OF HIS CLIENTS), were VIPs. Rich powerful politicians, bankers, Zionist Oligarchs, former Presidents and Prime Ministers war criminals, thieves, assassins, it is clear just why, one way or another, Epstein will not be testifying before a Court of Law, (with the hope that he would reveal his co-conspirators).

    Some Regular recipients of Epstein & his associate Ms. Maxwell’s services, have been identified. Two are – Israel’s twice Prime Minister & current candidate for another term, Ehud Barak, and former American President, Bill (that was not sex) Clinton. These 2 closest & most repeating clients for the services of young girls (and boys), are mostly omitted from accounts of the American Mainstream Media – which is mostly Zionist Democrap controlled/owned. Even the ‘Republicain FOX news, tends to omit these names when discussing Epstein.

    Casino Trump is Expendable. He is useful as a lightening rod to channel outrage away from those who most control our Puppeted (subject) Nation.

    In the Mainstream Media, Casino Trump (another post-Republic unconstitutional American President, and a Republicain, is repeatedly connected to Epstein (by old photos and editorials), even though he apparently has not seen him in 15 years, and there is no evidence that he ever participated in the Epstein/Maxwell sexual smorgasbord. This is not a defense of Casino Trump, who is another Zionist controlled Traitor who is as corrupt as the others, but a clarification.

    There are Photos of Epstein & Maxwell partying with Bill & Killery Clinton, as well as Mr. & Mrs. Casino Trump. Internationally, Epstein & Maxwell’s connections with the Rothschild Oligarchs, and Land Thieves Ehud Barak, and Shimon Peres have been revealed – through documents, testimonies, and photos. The culture of corruption so highlighted by Epstein goes deep into Western Society, but sinks into the core of the leadership of 2 Nations connected by an umbilical cord of Master to Slave, and those Nations are the USA, and the whip holder, The Zionist Entity & its banking Oligarchs.

    Yes, Trump’ Republicants serve the same masters as the Clinton & Obomber Democraps, but the most interesting and most used links to Epstein are of Democraps and Zionist Land Thieves. Epstein was a Democrap, campaigned for Democraps, and financed Democraps, from NY State, to the Virgin (pun unavoidable) Islands. The Mainstream Media is working very hard to make our citizens forget these links.

    We American Patriots must work to Restore Our Republic – that was assassinated (along with our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy), in a hail of bullets on November 22, 1963.

  57. Wow, everybody’s a comedian. This is obviously too priceless a goof to keep your mouth shut.

    Bill Barr is appalled, appalled, I say, by the suicide of the guy his OSS Daddy hired to instruct virginal ephebes at Dalton in the FOIL method (Fapping, Outercourse, Intercourse, Lesbianism) and blackmail the shit out of every VIP in NATO.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/ag-barr-appalled-epsteins-suicide-orders-inspector-general-probe-mysterious-death

    Who’s gonna weigh in next, The Finders?

  58. renfro says:
    @renfro

    I thought I had seen it all with Trump and his picks of people with phony resumes, criminal records, lobbyist , foreign agents, zionist ,etc.etc…but this takes the cake.
    He appoints what is basically his child’s potty mouth nanny to HUD which is responsible for billions of dollars.
    Beam me up Scotty !!!

  59. @Kali

    I doubt he’s dead. More likely he’s been whisked off to a life of secluded (read hidden) luxury in occupied Palestine, aka, ‘israel’.

    Most unlikely…the only person who would benefit from Epstein’s survival would be Epstein himself. No one went to this much trouble just so Epstein could enjoy another couple decades of sybaritic luxury.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Arnieus
    , @Rabbitnexus
  60. Sean says:
    @bartolo1

    A man in a chair, with a clipboard by his side observing the prisoner/patient 24 hours constantly

    No one gets that for a extended period or their entire time in jail, which may be over a year.

    You need to understand the difference between being in jail awaiting trial and being a convict in prison. One has far more rights than the other. What you are describing is a short term thing because it requires the COs to give you your own cell, this being a very sought after commodity, one that a lot of prisoners will say anything to get. People on suicide watch kill themselves all the time.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  61. iffen says:

    Prison experts are stunned and angry that Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch

    F*** you c**********. Proles and plebs die every f****** day in prison on and off suicide watch.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  62. Ron Unz says:

    This reminds me a little of a almost forgotten incident from the 1960s…

    Some government inspector in Texas had agreed to testify about the details of a gigantic corruption ring that was closely connected with LBJ. I can’t remember the exact details, but not long afterward, he was found dead, shot seven times.

    The local Texas court ruled it an apparent suicide and that’s exactly how it was reported in the Washington Post and the other national newspapers…;

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @unit472
    , @anon
    , @Alden
  63. @alexander

    I suspect the most effective investigations will come from independent journalists, though holding the official bodies to their promises is helpful.

    • Replies: @alexander
  64. @iffen

    The point is that this man was on suicide watch not for his own sake so much as because the investigation and prosecution of his crimes and related ones were so important to the country.

    • Replies: @iffen
  65. Goy says:

    This is probably not the kind of Patton the white nationalists demanded…

    Another parody on campaign Trump. But Jokes aside:

    Region II of the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees New York and New Jersey

    Isn’t this equivalent to what Charles Kushner had wanted to acquire through bribery before he went to jail? She might be just another human sockpuppet for him, like the orange man in chief.

  66. Iris says:
    @Ron Unz

    His name was Henry Marshall.

    In 1984, Billie Sol Estes told a grand jury investigating the 1961 shooting death of Henry Marshall, an official with the Department of Agriculture, that LBJ’s associate Malcolm Wallace was Marshall’s murderer.

    Malcolm Wallace and LBJ had been closely linked. In the early 50’s, LBJ had gone to great extents to save Wallace’s life after he shot down a professional golfer who was having an affair with LBJ’s alcoholic sister. Although guilty of murder, Wallace ended up with a minor sentence.

    Interestingly, a Wallace fingerprint was apparently found at the TSBD “Sniper nest” from where Oswald allegedly shot JFK. Probably some insurance taken against LBJ by his co-conspirators…

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @lysias
    , @Olivier1973
  67. iffen says:
    @jack daniels

    the investigation and prosecution of his crimes and related ones were so important to the country.

    LOL

  68. peterAUS says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Slobodan Milosevic poisoned himself while he was in solitary confinement and under 24 hour surveillance. He was searched after meeting with his occasional restricted visitors, and only guards had access to his cell.

    Actually………NO.

    He definitely did not poison himself.
    He was not in solitary confinement.
    He was not under 24 hours surveillance.
    Other prisoners had access to his cell.
    I could go on……..

    He was “taken care of” by a very simple play:
    You put a man in his sixties, with known medical issues, in high stress situation, feed him with prison food and deny proper medical care.

  69. unit472 says:
    @Ron Unz

    More like something out of the Godfather. Epstein was the most important inmate in a modern secure federal detention facility. One that had held Mexican drug lord El Chapo until very recently. That he was, somehow, able to kill himself or be killed requires ‘collusion’ between prison staff. Someone had to approve his being taken off of ‘suicide watch’ and what prison medical officer would stick his neck out to do that less than 3 weeks after the prior ‘incident’? Correctional officers would have to absent and known to be absent for Epstein to have the time or someone else to be able to murder Epstein and not be observed.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @anon
  70. peterAUS says:
    @Goy

    It’s really unbelievable…it’s surreal!
    What the literal hell is even going on anymore?!

    There is one element we all here are, apparently, overlooking with ease.
    “Us”. People.

    This type of thing has been going since Babylon. The only difference is public access to information. Today, anyone….ANYONE….can know, with ease, what’s going on.
    You see anyone even paying attention?
    I don’t.

    That is the problem. “Us”. Not TPTBs.

    When and however will this end?!

    Who knows?
    My take: if unchecked, with some nice dystopia, of we are lucky. If unlucky, with nuclear war.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Goy
  71. Ron Unz says:

    I’ve recently been doing quite a lot of reading about the Syndicate gangsters of the 1930s-1940s, and another interesting historical parallel comes to mind…

    In 1941, Abe “Kid Twist” Reles, a senior figure in Brooklyn’s Murder Inc. agreed to testify against America’s top Syndicate bosses, providing detailed evidence about the 1,000 or so nationwide killings that his organization had performed on their behalf.

    Obviously, the federal prosecutors were concerned about his safety in any ordinary jail, and stashed him in a suite of top-floor hotel rooms, where he was guarded 24-hours per day by rotating groups of six specially-selected police officers, who would keep him under constant surveillance. The doors were steel-plated and the rooms selected to preclude any long-range sniper.

    Oops! Poor “Kid Twist” somehow decided to jump out the 5th story window and kill himself when all six of the on-duty guards happened to simultaneously doze off.

    The Captain in command of the unit argued that it was accident rather than suicide, and the poor fellow had deliberately climbed out the window, intending to rappel down to the floor below, then walk back up the stairs and knock on the front door, thereby surprising his erstwhile guards with a amusing practical joke.

    Syndicate killers planning to implicate their bosses should definitely avoid playing such “practical jokes”…

    • LOL: Richard S
  72. getaclue says:
    @peterAUS

    There is one thing that TPTB care about very much — “Gun Control”– that is the only problem they see on their horizon as more of the unwashed wake up to the fact that an “Occult” group of creeps basically run everything including Congress where they “Epstein” various Pedos and Clowns into doing their bidding…the USA is clearly a Kakocracy….Yes, it is extremely important to them that the unwashed be disarmed pronto and they will arrange as many “events” for their Mainslime Media to pimp as is needed to do it….

  73. Goy says:
    @Ron Unz

    What is so striking about the Epstein murder/suicide is not that high level witnesses like him would be targeted and taken out to protect the powerful people implied in his testimony. But that even the most casually informed observer of the case equipped with basic common knowledge would know and anticipate in advance with certainty that he would be targeted.

    The fact that Epstein could be killed in the prison which protected El Chapo and where, allegedly, not a single inmate had comitted suicide under watch, with the dire warnings of many voices and red flags in advance, and a “suicide attempt” just shortly before, which already implied assault in his cell, can only mean two things:

    That the US justice system is as inept and dysfunctional as that of a banana republic – which is unlikely.

    Or that the US political system from the presidents, over state attorneys down to the common prison guard is so thoroughly corrupted to the point of evil that it was possible to have Epstein assassinated.
    Similar cases you have reported have been going on for almost a century now. And what was speculative has now become iron certainty: that blackmail, assassination, human trafficking, child abuse and pedophile-rings are an integral part of the true ruling elite of the USA. Likely that of Europe aswell. And of South America. And the destinction between the ruling elite and the mob it used and uses, is at best grey in nature. We are talking about people who can destroy entire nations, have hundreds of thousands of people massacred as a consequence and laugh about it, like Hillary Clinton did.

    Yet the uncomfortable, undeniable certainty of this reality does still come somewhat as a shock to me.

    What was so special about the Epstein case was that it happened under the watchful and anticipating eye of the public. The assasination, as described earlier, was a show of force and smug mocking of the audience by the ruling elite. It almost felt like a bait to violent retaliation. Like the true establishment had thrown down the gauntlet.

    My pessimism leads me to believe that the Epstein assassination and implication with Mossad and Ehud Barak as well as Benjamin Netanyahu will be memory-holed and drown in the swamp of total apathy that rules post-historic, rootless, post-modern western man. But it is hard to believe the potentially most esxplosive case in post-WW2 US history could just end like a forgotten footnote.

    • Agree: Gordo
  74. lysias says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Israel and the Mossad would benefit from Epstein’s survival because it would demonstrate that Israel protects its operatives.

    • Agree: Cowboy
    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @animalogic
  75. Goy says:
    @peterAUS

    Well, the particularity with Epstein is: Many people did and are paying attention. Millions. And the elite knows that we know. As you said it yourself: this was not just a cover-up. It was a demonstration of power directed at us.

    And they are laughing at us; as they are getting away; as they are taking every bit of freedom and sovereignty away which the patriot act hadn’t already devoured, through bipartisan decision of the system which should (theoretically) serve the people.

    The Dystopia is also already here: the cold-blooded apathy with which the ruling class in Britain treated victims as in Rotherham, the Savile case and now Epstein exposing their true characters, and those are also the leaders and elites who lecture us on morality: Ghislaine Maxwell – save nature! Clinton Foundation, Mother Merkel… It’s disgusting.

    And so many unthinkable theories which were declared “conspiracy theories” about WW2, the aftermath and our current reality turn out to be true.

    But I agree: the internet allowed us to decode the illusion of the media Matrix and its artificial reality. And it is those possibilities which the ruling class wants to snuff out for good. So that the monopoly to manufacture consent, truth and reality goes back to them.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  76. lysias says:
    @Iris

    Shortly before he died, Estes collaborated with a French journalist on a book called “Le dernier temoin” (“The Last Witness”) in which Estes claimed that he had participated in a meeting with LBJ in which the JFK assassination was planned. The book was published in French (I have a copy), but no English translation has ever appeared.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  77. @Sean

    ‘…People on suicide watch kill themselves all the time.’

    There’s no connection between this attitude and your status as a defender of Israel. Why would there be?

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
    • LOL: Ron Unz, Wally, Parfois1
    • Replies: @utu
    , @TKK
  78. R.G. Camara says: • Website

    I knew the feds were completely crooked on July 5, 2016, when Comey let Hillary walk and exonerated her in a national televised press conference—something no FBI director had ever done in the Bureau’s history.

    Now the feds just getting sloppy in their crookedness. Even the normies are smelling rats.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  79. The death of Epstein is being reported as an apparent suicide.

    Suicide is not an option for an inmate in jail under suicide watch. Those inmates are under 24 hour surveillance with no means to commit suicide.

    Reporters claiming Epstein committed suicide seem to be following orders from Jews in high places.

    There are 2 likely scenarios for what really happened –

    1. Epstein was murdered by order of Jews in high places.

    2. Epstein’s death is fake and Epstein will live under a new identity.

    One thing is clear, the Jews Media will never reveal the whole truth about Epstein. Vicky Ward seems to be part of the controlled opposition media spin on the Epstein debacle.

    Amazing Polly has a good video on how Vicky Ward is hooked up with Epstein’s pimpess Ghislaine Maxwell at the link below –

    Vicky Ward ties to Jeff Epstein –
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=192925
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXwXN8bNMI

    Vicky Ward is a guest on CNN sometimes which is more evidence that Ward shouldn’t be trusted.

  80. @unit472

    ‘…Since Epstein appears to have no wife or children it will be interesting to see if he left a will or if, like Howard Hughes, some Melvin Dummar type emerges claiming Epstein’s estate. Worth a try I suppose if you can get a lawyer to work on a contingency basis.’

    If I were you, I would not try it.

    You seem to think that court declaration represents demonstrated fact. It’s worth the paper it was written on — and as I recall, Epstein was reluctant to produce it.

  81. lysias says:
    @Iris

    The latest volume of Robert Caro’s life of LBJ, the one about his vice presidency, does not even mention Billy Sol Estes. Look in the index:he does not appear.

    Then again, that volume accepts the Warren Commission fiction as gospel truth. Phillip Nelson’s books about LBJ are far better.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
  82. What it boils down to in the end is that somebody with a great deal of power calculated that the potential risk of having Epstein killed was less than the potential risk of leaving him alive.

    Epstein alive could testify. With Epstein dead, so long as everyone involved in the hit has more to lose by speaking out than they do by keeping silent, there shouldn’t be a problem.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sean
  83. Off topic / time out for mental hygiene,
    the way we were

  84. nsa says:

    A few puffs of smoke come out of Building 7…….and down it comes on national TV. Two cops hold Lee “I’m a patsy” Harvey while Jack Rubinstein gets off a single gut shot on national TV. Gut shots are normally survivable if whisked off to the ER…..but Lee Harvey conveniently dies. Rubinstein then conveniently contracts the quickest acting cancer ever and dies soon thereafter. Dorothy K secured several exclusive interviews with Jack, but died soon after and her notes disappeared. SuperJew “three cums a day” Epstein with dirt on everyone dies in a fed jail……ah, who gives a shit….crack open another Hurricane 8.1% 24 ouncer and switch to something real like the cartoon channel..

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
  85. Epstein had a lot of protection, but his arrogance made him lazy. It got so that even the Power could no longer protect him.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  86. utu says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘…People on suicide watch kill themselves all the time.’ – Sean knows what he is talking about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ben_Zygier
    Ben Zygier was an Australian-Israeli citizen who was a veteran of the Israel Defense Forces and allegedly an agent of Mossad. He was imprisoned in Ayalon Prison, Ramla, Israel and died in custody in 2010, reportedly by hanging himself in a maximum-security cell designed to be suicide-proof. Prisoner X, Mr. X and Mister X were placeholder names for him while he was being held in strict secrecy for unspecified crimes.

    Prisoner X was held at Unit 15 in Ayalon Prison, a special wing of the prison reserved for the most dangerous criminals. The cell in which he was held was a special isolation cell originally constructed to house Yigal Amir, the assassin of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. The cell is isolated from the rest of the wing through a door only prison staff can enter.

    According to a Haaretz report, the cell is 16 square meters in size, and includes a table, chair, bed, television, and several personal items. The cell bathroom stall and shower area is separated from the rest of the cell by a transparent door that hides the inmate’s genitals, and the camera in the bathroom is not normally activated, but the bathroom has special monitoring system that works by identifying breathing and body movements. If no movement is detected after a certain period, the camera in the bathroom is activated and an alarm is raised. The showerhead is also flexible to prevent any suicide-by-hanging attempt by an inmate. During Zygier’s stay there, the cell was under constant camera surveillance.[18]

    Prisoner X was isolated from the rest of the prison population, but he was allowed visits from his lawyers.[19] According to an article in The Australian, the Zygier family was told very little about the nature of Ben’s activities, but they were satisfied that his legal rights were being upheld by Israeli authorities.[20]

    • Replies: @Sean
  87. Maybe says:
    @Leif Sachs

    I had the same thought about Ronald Lauder and Epstein’s Austrian passport. Lauder’s Jewish National Fund is basically around the corner from Epstein’s townhouse at 9 E. 71 St, and his lecherous older brother Leonard lives on the same block as Epstein’s townhouse. There were some reports that the passport was dated 1982, before Lauder’s tenure as ambassador, but he already had extensive Austrian connections.

  88. Biff says:
    @Anonymous

    Epstein is likely still alive.

    There is no confirmation that body was his.

    Yea, “they” told us Osama bin Ladin was dumped in the ocean. I didn’t believe that either, but what the heck – we’re just the audience, and the magic show must go on.

  89. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    It reminds me of this guy; head of the JDL awaiting trial for attempting to bomb a mosque in LA many years ago (the one owned by the Saudis). So apparently, homeboy slit his own throat (I guess slitting your wrist is for whimps – real men go for their own jugular) and then flung himself off one of the high levels in the prison…interesting, no?
    http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/West/11/04/rubin.suicide.attempt.reut/

    My guess; 1) he went rogue and almost hit someone that the Israelis were trying to gain ground with and thus this was their “peace offering” or 2) botched operation and they couldn’t have him or his potential connections brought to light in court.

    With the Epstein thing, some prison manager may lose his job for not making sure the guy under his charge was secure…or maybe he gets a promotion, wonder if anyone will be tracking all this. Either way, these guys pulled it off fairly clean. Unlike the Kashoggi hit which looks like it was carried out by Mr. Bean.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  90. @Pantsonfire

    Many of us predicted this on the last article by Giraldi. Why is he so surprised? Once again when he outlived his usefulness for the greater good of Israel and their world blackmailing ring he was suicided. It also sends a clear message that Israel controls just about everything in this country including a federal prision. The other message it sends which is sending shock waves through the US government is that no one is safe if Israel wants you dead. Yet Giraldi seem to miss this too?

    I’m sure there will be some fake digitally produced fuzzy video of it all which we only see a piece of. It’s like the shooter in El Paso. Walmart has more cameras than the NSA building and yet no real video has been released.

    Now Bill and Killary Clinton are safe again from prosecution and the rest of Epstein’s clients. It always seems to work that way for the Magic Clintons. Those of us who predicted this should have made bets with the English Bookies. We might have made a few bucks.

    However, there is really nothing to see here says Israel. Go away goy. We are your masters and we will do whatever we want and you can’t stop us.

    • Replies: @Grizaby
    , @Twodees Partain
  91. niceland says:

    I see only two possibilities;

    1) Epstein was suicidal and after his first attempt he was was left alone to try again. -> “They” wanted him dead.

    2) “They” killed him.

    Not much difference is there?

  92. @Lot

    The big question now is will his pimpette Giselle Maxwell sing

    Chances of her emitting one single discouraging word are roughly 1 in a hundred billion. (.00000000001)

  93. From my blog:

    Aug 11, 2019 – The Disappearance of Jeffery Epstein

    News trickles in about the disappearance of Jeffery Epstein, while even the US President tweets that he didn’t commit suicide. There are reports that he hung himself. I can tell you from first-hand knowledge that is not possible. The Bureau of Prisons ensures that confined prisoners have nothing to hang themselves. No belts or bed sheets or shoelaces. We don’t know what happened, except that Epstein is no longer is federal custody.

    The same thing happened many years ago when indicted Enron CEO Ken Lay disappeared. He started in Naval Intelligence, and amassed billions of dollars that disappeared, somewhere. He was out on bail and somehow allowed to vacation in Aspen. The official story is that the local sheriff was called to his home (not paramedics) and found him dead. They transported him to a local hospital in the middle of the night where an unnamed doctor declared him dead. The body was not transported to the county coroner’s office, but to a different county coroner 128 miles away, who examined the body a day later and declared he suffered a heart attack.

    Ken Lay’s body was immediately cremated, before any family member saw it or gave permission. Lay was out on bail but no federal agent was allowed to view the body before cremation. The ashes were scattered at secret location in the mountains. Ken Lay just disappeared, as did Jeffery Epstein. And yes, the corporate media has already begun a major effort to demean anyone who questions any official story as a crazed “conspiracy theorist.” We may never know what happened to Jeffery Epstein, except that he disappeared and hundreds of powerful people are pleased.

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
  94. peterAUS says:
    @Goy

    The assasination, as described earlier, was a show of force and smug mocking of the audience by the ruling elite.

    Worse.
    It’s simply “we don’t care what you think or feel”.

    Hehe…you blame them?
    If “we, the people”, showed, in this case, the same interest we show in the latest fad (entertainment, fashion, personal gadgets etc) all this would be much different.

    “They” know “us”.
    Some of “us” still don’t. Keyword “overestimate”. A lot.

  95. Jeffrey Epstein’s “suicide” is more than strange. Nobody has presented any evidence of his “death.” Where is the body? Or is Epstein already alive and kicking in a Kibbutz in Israel to keep on with his disgusting business? The investigation of his clients may they have been Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, and other big shots must start now.

  96. Sean says:
    @unit472

    A lot of the COs actually dealing with the inmates are black.

    Three weeks is an extremely long time to be on suicide watch.

    He was a convicted paedo that could not keep it secret from other inmates in those places, who will tell you to kill yourself, if they don’t like your charges.

    It wasn’t a home away from home for him like it for the seasoned but still young and tough criminals who are 98% of those there. Very few people end up in a real jail like that for the first time in their 60s.

    Even fewer are, like Epstein, suddenly the most reviled man in the Western world, in effect there for serious crimes they had already pled guilty to, and thus certain to be convicted and get life because of double dipping by the prosecutors at the behest of the public inflamed by the press.

    Having known this was coming, Epstein went from privacy and luxury and beautiful young women to constant discomfort and hostile observation. He was not planning to while away the rest of his life in a cell I can tell you that.

  97. One of their first questions on the AM talk shows should be ‘where is the recording’ of Epstein’s cell and is it secure? The NYT is reporting that JE hadn’t been on suicide watch for 12 days (I think we can figure out why). I don’t want to see him doing himself in but certainly someone should, who is capable of a detailed explanation. Unless of course the camera malfunctioned for the highest profile prisoner in the US.

    This is extremely disappointing though hardly surprising given that the first attempt had likely not succeeded, due to his ex-cop cellmate. Nothing could top Dallas’63 for gross wrongdoing and its resulting harm but this is worse than just pure incompetence because it appears to be a plan. Hopefully AG B.Barr is answering the appropriate questions soon.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @BlackFlag
    , @Mark Hunter
  98. How can we be certain Epstein is actually dead? Will the public see the body, egg-shaped penis and all, to verify it’s him? He might be in Tel Aviv now undergoing facial reconstruction surgery and receiving papers for his new identity. Hello, Mr. Jeff Turdbloom, welcome to the Shylock State.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  99. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    He was “taken care of” by a very simple play:
    You put a man in his sixties, with known medical issues, in high stress situation, feed him with prison food and deny proper medical care.

    IOW, he was Edgar Steele’d.

  100. @Talha

    TALHA

    I would go for the third and less glamorous possibility.

    Irv Rubin suddenly found himself in a system run by his arch-enemies because Nazi gangs control the US prison system.

    Whereas Pakistani crime lords in UK prison systems would simply regard Tommy as a deadbeat and could not care less about his opinions, Irv Rubin was actually an arch-foe of the Nazis and Aryan prison gangs…and some US prison guards as well.

    Epstein was merely a sex offender who was looking at the reality for sex offenders in prison and at his age he was going to die in prison anyhow.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Grizaby
    , @Exile
  101. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    “The canary could sing, but he couldn’t fly.”-

    newspaper comment at the time.

  102. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    In this context total powerlessness becomes its opposite.

  103. @niceland

    I see only two possibilities;
    1) Epstein was suicidal and after his first attempt he was was left alone to try again.
    2) “They” killed him.

    Stranger:
    A 3rd possibility is making the rounds:
    3) They faked his death and now is on a Tel Aviv beach.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  104. Wally says:
    @Vicky Weird

    Now they’re saying he was not under a ‘suicide watch’.

  105. @niceland

    Third possibility : his suicide was faked. He was smuggled out of the prison and lives somewhere (Israel?) with a new identity, possibly after some cosmetic surgery. The corrupt PTB only want him to be silent, not necessarily dead. It is in Epstein’s own interest to keep his promise to be silent, so why would they need to kill him?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  106. @peterAUS

    We are witnessing the effects of a Huge psychological battle between powerful elite groups.

    Epstein became a major pawn in that power battle. We can easily rule out suicide as Narcissists will not kill themselves, as they cannot cope with the thought of a world without them in it….

    It looks like an indirect hit at the Jewish Power Structure. The alphabet intelligence groups have layers upon layers of power groups, like an onion. For sure, there are groups within that nobody even knows about. Epstein could also have been a spy that went to the other side and was discovered….maybe. Lots of possibilities here.

    The photos from NYpost could have been from the first “suicide” attempt. He could have been already re-faced and moved for all we know, as the Message-to-Others seems to be the main motivation behind this “re-arrest” after 10 years.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @peterAUS
    , @Skeptikal
  107. @Anonymous

    The photos of Epstein with a neck brace on being wheeled out, that appeared in NYpost could be from the first “suicide” attempt. He could still be alive but we will never know. But there is no way he committed suicide as he was a full blown narcissist and narcissists do not kill themselves. Narcissists have hard time dealing with death as they cannot picture a world without them in it.

  108. gotmituns says:
    @iffen

    We the public will never know what Epstein was all about.
    ——————————————————————-
    That’s BS. He was just another jew doing dirty rotten nasty things that jews are known for all over the world.

  109. chris says:

    We the public will never know what Epstein was all about.

    I’m not so sure about that. We may not find out the entire scope and connections that were involved here, but we certainly already know what he was all about, don’t we? Alone his evasion from justice in FL and NY has all the hallmarks of deep state actors at work. And if politics is acting for ugly people, then Epstein was running the Weinstein casting couch for politicians.

  110. The two times in modern history when the fifth column of the cult has been neutered has been under Stalin and Hitler. Good luck with that this time!

  111. GMC says:

    Epstein’s investigation will end up looking like the 1st – 9/11 investigation – unless the people finally wake up. Why did they even arrest him – in the first place – everyone knew this would end up like this. Faked out Again !

  112. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @lysias

    Epstein is not dead, he is at his Mansion in Occupied Palestine. This is interesting:

    [MORE]

    Sorry, that’s not #Epstein …

    Look at the ears and nose.

    Imagine the effect on one of his ex-hookers who squeeled, or one of his blackmail targets who was going wobbly, if they answered a phone call today and Epstein was on the other end of the line…

    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @Grizaby
  113. gutta percha [AKA "gp"] says:

    “The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans” Why is that?
    They would be an incompetent intelligence agency if they didn’t.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  114. Grizaby says:
    @Ron Unz

    Read some mk ultra, elite pedophilia, heroin trafficking from the war on terror/oxycodone over manufacturing information and write an article.

    Your articles are the most sought after along with giraldi, shamir, Linn dihn, hudson, Chris hedges, etc. We need you to dig deep and write something long. We take you serious. Please help. Look what’s happening. Please.

    P.s. I named chris hedges in my list of people, any thoughts? You would like him I believe

  115. Sean says:
    @utu

    Preventing him from suicide was a way of making his sentence unbearable because it took away any control he felt. It was torture basically. He was there to serve as an example. That did not appeal to him at all. What is so mysterious about choosing to put an end to such an existence?

    • Replies: @Richard S
  116. Alfred says:

    Martin Armstrong had a similar experience. He was locked up with a murderer. Fortunately, the killer did not finish the job and Armstrong survived.

    Jeffrey Epstein is Dead – of course on schedule

  117. Grizaby says:
    @niteranger

    Why is it only Clinton you name? It weakens your argument and it casts a shadow on your opposition to child rape. Do you want THE CLINTONS EXPOSED, or the Clinton’s AND everyone else who raped children and started wars, took bribes and corrupted our political system?

    Stop with the partisan hackery.. havent we already found consensus on this being the modus operandi of a single monolithic entity? A war party, business party, zionist party? An oligarchy?

    If you name Clinton then name trump. And if you name trump name Clinton and name dershowitz and everyone else.

    They all need to be taken out by civilian hit squads.

  118. Alfred says:

    Someone – possibly Khodorkovsky – had a Russian killed in a Russian jail and a huge fuss was made of it the the West’s media. This resulted in a new law and eventually in sanctions against Russia.

    The Western media claims constantly that the dead person was a lawyer of Khodorkovsky – a Jew who was imprisoned for tax-cheating – but he was a tax-accountant in a position to reveal massive illegal bribes of Russia’s president Yeltsin.

    Epstein is no Different than Magnitsky

    I guess there is one set of rules for the USA and another for the Russians.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  119. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:

    Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz, Palm Beach county state attorney Barry Krischer

    Jewish Privilege means that these white hating jewish swine will intimidate witnesses and plaintiffs with impunity, and that jewish pedophiles will get off without punishment or merely a wrist slap. Just like all the jewish owned money laundering banks like HSBC.

    Tim Kelly and E. Michael Jones have a great new podcast on Jewish Privilege where they discuss how jews are above the law.

    If racism can be systemic, can’t sexual deviance also be systemic? Or are we just going to continue pretending there’s no correlation?

    • Replies: @Patrikios Stetsonis
  120. Miro23 says:
    @Goy

    … will be memory-holed and drown in the swamp of total apathy that rules post-historic, rootless, post-modern western man. But it is hard to believe the potentially most explosive case in post-WW2 US history could just end like a forgotten footnote.

    Equally, US elites could be eliminated in this complete moral vacuum, and themselves become a forgotten historical footnote.

    It works both ways. Once the ethical basis of society has gone then “Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law”.

  121. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles

    Let’s see who’s celebrating with a big party this weekend.

    Miley Cyrus and Liam Hemsworth, because they finally got rid of each other? 😉
    It is rather suspicious how was this breaking news announced immediately after Epstein’s death…
    (if you never heard about these people, you missed nothing)

  122. In May 1941, Hitler’s Deputy Führer Rudolf Heß, second in command of the Third Reich, flew to Scotland in a specially modified Messerschmitt 110 fighter to “negotiate peace” between Germany and England. It has been known for many decades that the Brutish Royal Family was full of Nazi sympathisers, and there was a substantial political constituency looking for a negotiated peace as well. It is also known that Heß’ flight was not the irrational act of a lunatic, but could not have happened without close coordination between elements in both Germany and Britain itself; the purpose of the visit was to free Hitler to turn on the USSR with his full strength.

    Churchill, however, realised immediately that if Germany invaded the USSR it would end in a substantial destruction of the German military, and that the prospects of Britain for winning the war would be immediately improved. Also, he knew that Amerikastan was looking for an excuse to enter the war on Britain’s side; Amerikastani destroyers were by mid-1941 escorting Brutish convoys in the Atlantic. So with Hitler mired in Russia and Amerikastan in the war, Britain could hope to win eventually. Therefore, Heß, instead of being greeted as a plenipotentiary as expected, was swiftly arrested and hidden away in a camp at Aldershot until the end of the war. Afterwards, at the Nuremberg trials, he barely avoided the death penalty* and was sentenced to life in prison at Spandau alongside such other designated major war criminals as Raeder, Dönitz, von Schirach, and Speer. All documents related to him were locked away as a state secret, and as far as I know are so to this day.

    (* The USSR and Britain voted for death, Amerikastan and France refused. While it’s understandable why the Soviet Union wanted capital punishment, if Heß was truly a harmless crank on a lunatic mission, as portrayed, it passes understanding why Britain would want him hanged so badly.)

    Strangely enough, even though the other war criminals, including Funk and Raeder, who had also been sentenced to life, were all released in the 1950s and 60s, no such release ever came for Heß. His diary was even taken away each day to be destroyed. By the 1980s he was in his nineties, nearly blind, very frail, and the only prisoner in the whole of Spandau, with guards from four nations (France, Britain, Amerikastan and the USSR) still taking turns to stand watch over him.

    Now comes the interesting part. By August 1987 the winds of change were blowing. The Cold War was (apparently) winding down. It seemed that the whole Spandau exercise might be dispensed with. Heß would likely be released, and no longer would it be possible to keep a lid on what he knew. And the Brutish were in charge of the prison in August 1987.

    And would you believe it? This 93-year-old man, nearly blind, whose hands were so arthritic he could no longer tie his shoelaces, and who finally could hope for freedom, somehow managed to hang himself to death with a piece of flex in the summerhouse of Spandau. His Moroccan caregiver was not permitted to view his body. Even the prison was immediately, literally within hours, demolished on the pretext that it might become a Nazi shrine; any documents Heß might have squirrelled away were destroyed with it.

    Convenient suicides of inconvenient witnesses is hardly a new thing for the “democratic nations” of the “Free World”, and never were.

  123. @Anonymous

    Seriously, why does his ear look so different in the photograph.

  124. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Cowboy

    Here is more photographic evidence that this is a fake suicide and Epstein is still alive:

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @renfro
    , @Skeptikal
  125. Nik says:

    This whole episode, the true bits and the lies, come as no shock to me at all. I have been talking about the Babylonian Illuminati Olympiad black brotherhood since 1991

    Saturnism (Satanism) is a very real, totally secret and ancient religion.

    If you dont believe or understand then go back to sleep.

    Modern ‘identity’ and ‘Countries’ are simply fronts for something much baser. Read reptilian brain stem and territorial aggression

  126. @Colin Wright

    I read some story.

    You read some story? You read some story and you malign Dershowitz based on the fact that you read some story. I loathe everything that Dershowitz is and does, but I would never malign him because “I read some story.”

  127. alexander says:
    @jack daniels

    This event has to stand as one of the most profound assaults on the rule of law in our country.

    Just the fact that Americans are not getting any answers about this, on even the most fundamental of queries , is disgraceful …………absolutely disgraceful.

    Consider just a few questions :

    Was he on suicide watch ? if he was, then WHO let him commit suicide ?

    NO ANSWERS.

    Was he taken OFF suicide watch, and if so , by whom, when , and WHY ?

    NO ANSWERS

    I mean ….come on.

    What is going on here ?

    What does it say about our government agencies (and our media) , that they cannot resolve to our satisfaction the most rudimentary questions surrounding this event ?

    What does it say…… other than they have become total abject failures to both the rule of law and the American People.

    The American People should demand a special prosecutor..right away…and every single individual mentioned in the affidavits, should be rounded up…. and held ….in lock down, until we get some answers.

  128. Epstein’s suicide is so blatantly false, that (((TPTB))) are just rubbing our noses in it as proof of their arrogant power and our clueless impotence.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  129. @Lot

    So he was either expecting to get away with his crimes or just really sloppy.

    With all the msm and “law enforcement” under Zionist control, maybe he thought he was bombproof?

  130. @Colin Wright

    “And gee…now we’ll never know. I doubt if much trace of that supposed fortune is ever going to be found. It never was clear how Epstein made money, or even who he made it from,”
    Indeed.
    It WILL be interesting to see who the beneficiaries are & how much they get…. But,
    perhaps he died intestate &… a strangulating swarm of lawyers will eat the estate down to the bone? (pun intended)

  131. @lysias

    “Israel and the Mossad would benefit from Epstein’s survival because it would demonstrate that Israel protects its operatives.”
    Interesting.
    But, if I was weighing the pros & cons of a breathing Epstein I think the con’s would very much outweigh the pro’s.
    Just my opinion.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  132. @Sean

    they could not keep in a cage naked under constant observation indefinitely before he was even convicted.

    Really? They can kidnap innocent people from foreign countries and fly them around the World to a secret prison to be tortured, they can arrest “suspects” without a warrant and hold them indefinitely incommunicado without access to lawyer, they can “drone” someone, even and yet you say could not do that? Strange!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  133. sally says:

    [email protected] , niceland @92. <= a prison in the USA is anywhere any one of the 527 privileged elected salaried persons who run the USA can assign any person they wish to a heavily guarded room in a massive in size USA jail, and direct that the inmate be allowed to suicide themselves.?

    There is a third possibility: Epstein never left the USA prison.. Search the joint.

    If you want to find Epstein put all 527 privileged elected salaried USA governors in Guantanamo and give the keys to a shark. .

  134. @peterAUS

    I bet the whole Epstein Affair would win the gold Shylock for best TISTF of the decade (Truth is Stranger than Fiction award – alternatively held yearly in Tel Aviv & Washington)

  135. @alexander

    Given the overwhelming evidence of Mr. Epstein’s connection to powerful US leaders as well as, quite possibly, a foreign intelligence service, isn’t it time for the American People to demand a hard hitting, “leave no stone unturned” special prosecutor investigation ?

    Well, Earl Warren is dead, but John Roberts might be up to his investigatorial standards. I’m not sure which Senator can best fill the role of Arlen Specter.

    • Replies: @alexander
  136. refl says:
    @peterAUS

    I would ad one thing: They, TPTB, are also completely worthless idiots, if this guy was one of them.
    I mean, if you were scandalously rich, would you spend your endless spare time precisely on masturbating, while watching two teenage girls licking each other? I appreciate that people are not that much into high culture, me neither. But that is so poor of a legacy, that one wonders, what sort of creatures the world of the rich and famous is else composed of?
    And further: if his video footage was valuable to promote the interests of Israel, that is criminal to the rest of humanity, but the motive is understandable. What in hell hinders them from asigning the task to someone who in his personal life can expose something of a more impressive character?
    That the Clintons and their friends are despicable, okay. But can’t they put up a little bit of effort to give us, the unwashed masses the impression that they know to spend their time on things more enviable then rubbing their sexual organs somewhere?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @peterAUS
  137. @Anonymous

    “Epstein is likely still alive.”
    Maybe — but I doubt it. Bottom line? The guy was played out. Not only of no future use (although, granted, he could have become an useful agent of disinformation) but a ticking time bomb.
    Why take the risk?
    And let’s face it, he was utter DRECK, even your average criminal would be tempted to murder him….of course, your average criminal probably has a stricter ethical code than most of our ruling elites….

  138. @Goy

    What the literal hell is even going on anymore?! When and however will this end?!

    To put this in perspective, consider a (fictional) history book in, say, AD 2100.

    The World War era (1914-1945) persisted until AD 1978 in China, AD 1990 in Russia, and AD 2028 in the United States and Europe. The end of the era was characterized by a complete break with the ideals of the preceding internationalist era and the institution of a neo-nationalist regime and a neo-mercantilist foreign policy. The subsequent decline in global trade . . .

    Counterinsurgency

  139. @Lot

    “The big question now is will his pimpette Giselle Maxwell sing”
    Now THAT is a great question.
    Oh man, wouldn’t that be something if she “spilled her guts” ?
    Anyway, one can dream…. (Sorry, but what kind of “human”, a multi-million heiress, famous, etc, would voluntarily get involved in all this muck? Not voluntary? Thrills of power? Delight in evil? All of the above – summarized as “Lover of Israel”. It’s not nice, but I just can’t wish this slag well).

    • Replies: @Alden
  140. sally says:
    @iffen

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    everyone should familiarise themselves with the names and responsibilities of persons in article in link below
    the Spy story at the heart of the Jeffry Epstein scandal.

    I find it extremely difficult to reconcile the quality of the 350,000,000 governed people in America to the 527 elected salaried campaign winners that operate the USA.. Its as if the two: governed vs governors are not only independent of each other but are also after quite different goals.

    Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Weapons of mass destruction.. 520 or more military bases in foreign lands, renditions, black op prisons, and wars. samctions everywhere. demonstrates the USA uses the Americans it governs for some purpose with has been kept a secret from the Americans it governs.
    APOLLOgate: The Greatest Conspiratorial Fraud Ever Committed by the U.S. Federal Government (Photos)

    IMO killing or injuring, allowing to be harmed or killed, suicided or disappeared is a crime to which the entire government should pay the price afforded by them against everyone else: in this case murder The USA is responsible for this.. it does not make any difference who did the job.. it was the USA responsible to protect the evidence in the person of the man.

    • Replies: @Miggle
  141. Do not assume that Epstein is dead or was “suicided ” , there are reports of a body double and that pictures of him on a gurney were photo-shopped . In addition CNN is said to have reported that he was taken from the correctional facility to hospital at 3.30 on Saturday morning , 33 a very significant number to Freemasons and in Kabbalah numerology .

    • Replies: @Robjil
  142. Tony Ryals says: • Website
    @anon

    MAGA ? Mossad Agents Gone American ?

  143. annamaria says:
    @Colin Wright

    Mossad effect: https://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Australia-Jewish-community-mum-on-Zygier

    Australia’s Jewish community is reportedly staying tight-lipped in the wake of claims that an unnamed prisoner who apparently committed suicide in an Israeli jail was an immigrant from Melbourne named Ben Zygier.

    … Zygier had been recruited by the Mossad some 10 years ago… At some point, he was reportedly imprisoned at the high-security Ayalon Prison, where he is said to have hanged himself in late 2010.

    Israeli Ambassador Yuval Rotem met with Australian opposition leader Julie Bishop to discuss the matter of Zygier’s incarceration and death. Bishop was quoted by Australian ABC television as saying, prior to the meeting, that “If there are security considerations I can understand it. But if it’s just about embarrassing a government agency, then that certainly requires an explanation…”

    The newspaper noted that some Australian diplomatic personnel were aware of Zygier’s incarceration in Israel.

    One wonders what Mossad is able to “achieve” in the thoroughly zionized US ruled by war-profiteers and cowardly traitors

    • Replies: @anon
  144. My opinion is that this can just won’t go easily. It’s just the beginning (I, of course, don’t know what “the end” is). In the Epstein case, which I haven’t followed closely, I see 3 intersecting areas:

    1) high elite prostitution within Anglosphere, including dependables (Israel, Saudis, very few Europeans,..). No Russia, Asia, … Most customers belonged to the world of politics, and not to the richest people in the world, artists, entertainers (actors…), .. Doubtless, many prostitutes were underage girls, but not all; also, it was not a classical pedophilia, with the age range 4-12 years. Girls were well paid & willing; no girl was killed or maimed or whatnot. Now, it seems like a spinoff in #metoo era.

    2) Jewish & Israeli angles. Evidently, Jews were perhaps 50-60% among Epstein’s connections; the spy element may have to do with his procuress, G. Maxwell. The entire old Maxwell saga is not yet clear- what had he done so important to Israel? For now, it may have be about Vanunu & Israel nuclear arsenal; other than that, it all remains a speculation. Be as it may, all intelligence big secrets from past, say, 70 years- a very few excepted- had been leaked. Where were Maxwell’s huge contributions to Israel? As for filming & blackmailing, it can only have effect on small fishes- on big, like American president or Saudi prince- never. Anyone who would try that would wind up dead. Also, George Mitchell & Bill Richardson & Woody Allen would have nothing with Israel security or some deep secrets or huge influences.

    As I see it, it was an elite prostitution ring with a selected clientele (mostly old farts, politicians & a few crackpot scientists) who could indulge in their fantasies & pay for it. Really big fishes- not so. Prince Andrew? This whole family is covered with dirt so I don’t see here anything revelatory. In more relaxed times, those people would freely frequent brothels & no one would pay attention.

    So, I don’t believe in the Mossad story. What seems real is American Jewish angle with ethnic networking, corruption in high finances (Madoff etc.), which leads to no. 3

    3) financial segment. Epstein’s life trajectory was weird. It is not spectacularly weird – as numerous other lives had been more strange- but his was strange enough. I can’t say how rich he was, what he, actually, did to acquire & lose money. No reliable sources.

    My verdict, for now: elite prostitution ring with willing Lolitas, which would destroy many powerful public figures (but not the richest & the most powerful) because of strict US law on the age of consent; also, there is something inherently dirty with creepy old farts & Lolitas. Also, strong possibility o money laundering & similar financial “operations”. Israel & Mossad- a tiny likelihood, but they will probably use this case to create illusory impression of their omnipresence & power, while the reality is much more…sober & limited.

    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Conservativeman
  145. annamaria says:
    @Bragadocious

    “Jews take matters of life and death very seriously when Jews are involved.”

    — Yes. And Pollard walks free. https://21stcenturywire.com/2015/08/28/israel-lobby-ensures-that-u-s-traitor-jonathan-pollard-will-walk-free/

    the final assessment proves that the notion of being a “Dual Loyalist” is preposterous. It is absurd that an authentic American can be a Zionist and provide actual national security secrets to an Israeli government that regularly operates in the most fundamental ways against our own country.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  146. @JohnnyWalker123

    Whatever the different shapes of the nose and the ear, the size of the head is simply too big compared the the heads of the other people in the room. This is in all respects a clumsy fake. Perhaps deliberately so, in order to show contempt for the public, which is not unusual for the elite*).

    Perhaps Epstein is already enjoying himself (with underage girls?) on the beach of Tel Aviv, having received a new identity with a new passport from the Israeli government. An appointment with a plastic surgeon will also have been made.

    ________
    *) Compare the equally clumsy fake of the “dead Bin Laden” of 2011.

  147. @peterAUS

    “The very mechanisms of society which are supposed to prevent this, let alone investigate and punish the perpetrators, obviously, won’t do it.”

    True, and this thought is always worth remembering, especially as people around the world wrestle with how to best organize a society. The state cannot be trusted to do it. This case is proof positive that there is no incentive for it to be a producer of just outcomes for those involved. Its administrators (politicians, judges/lawyers, bureaucrats, etc.) tell us that it can and does but as can be clearly seen time and time again this is just empty rhetoric to keep the apparatus propped-up for those that benefit from controlling that apparatus.

    “The people” lost again on this one and they are the ones who pay the bills, and not just in monetary terms. I truly hope this event further contributes to individuals recognizing the state is the enemy of the people and their blind faith in it is misplaced and destructive to a healthy, wealthy society.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @lysias
    , @peterAUS
  148. Tony Ryals says: • Website
    @Leif Sachs

    Another person of interest regarding Austrian passports with Jewish Zionist and Austrian clout is the little known Martin Schlaff with his connections to U.S. penny stock scams with the Israeli Grin or Grinshpon brothers that Forbes always wrote about being from the Ukraine to confuse their Israeli residency.Martin Schlaff turns up around the Arab world such as negitiating with Gadafi for release of an Israeli just prior to NATO attack and many more incidents.Afriend of Putin during Stassi days of Esst Europe who sold western computer tech from the west to the east,also Gazprom connections . Involved in a number of Israeli political scandals,close to Avigdor Lieberman,probably Ehud Olmert,Netanyahu,etc. as well as gambling casino deal with Arafat,Ariel Sharonj,et.al.
    I think he’s the wealthiest person in Austria.One of his partners in NY died mysteriously several years ago and possibly Lichtenstein.Alot of investing in cell phones in eastern Europe.But if anyone could get an Austrian passport for another big time investor money launderer he could.
    Funny how the U.S. SEC always allows the Grinshpon brothers to register their penny stock scams in Nevada using the pseudonym Grin.But then they allowed convicted in Israel money launderer for Bibi Netanyahu to enter the U.S. and incorporate ICTS International in Delaware in 1999.And put the stock on NASDAQ and with sell of shares to Americans they could buy Huntleigh airport rent-a-cops and the contract to guard Logan Airport Boston just prior to 9/11.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  149. annamaria says:
    @Goy

    “blackmail, assassination, human trafficking, child abuse and pedophile-rings are an integral part of the true ruling elite of the USA. … We are talking about people who can destroy entire nations, have hundreds of thousands of people massacred as a consequence and laugh about it, like Hillary Clinton did.”

    — True. Let’s see how it’s important that the Epstein case “happened under the watchful and anticipating eye of the public.” The ZUSA needs the entire might of pressituting and zionized mass media to counterattack the obvious questions of the public.

  150. alexander says:
    @The Alarmist

    I think it is more than possible to find a few qualified individuals who could lead a clean and thorough investigation.

    After all, there is a pretty substantial paper trail,isn’t there ? Not to mention the hundreds of victims/ witnesses in the case.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @anon
  151. anon[783] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    Poor prisoners . They should have committed these suicides in Russia or Iran, Then we would have some Zio run show on TV and in Congress . May be some more holocaust money for grieving Jews of Australia and for Alan Dershowitz.

  152. Republic says:

    The use of the term RIP as used in the title of this article is highly inappropriate in this instance.

    RIP is a short epitaph or idiomatic expression wishing eternal rest and peace to someone who has died.

    Why is Giraldi wishing eternal rest and peace to this dead scumbag?

  153. @Vicky Weird

    Either killing or extracting Epstein would have required more people than could be counted upon to remain silent, considering the need to operate in a sealed, guarded, and highly monitored environment. The operation was by this criterion of high risk. It was nevertheless executed. The mission objective was apparently to suppress public release of information related to Epstein’s operation, with a possible secondary objective of extracting Epstein.

    The reward matrix for such an operation suggests several things:
    1) The exposure of the information would have caused more damage than loss of legitimacy consequent to the implausibility of Epstein’s death.
    2) Full exposure of the information would have caused more damage than loss of legitimacy consequent to the full exposure of the operation.

    In essence, (1) and (2) say that exposure of the information would be a game changer, would delegitimize the entire current political elite. To do that, the information would have to include a very wide spectrum of the current political elite _and those who justify them_. The most shocking thing to me was the mention of Marvin Minsky [1]. Minsky????!!!! Minsky is not a politician. He’s an ultra-high prestige Professor, a real pioneer in computer science. Why in the world would Epstein be supplying Minsky? What is Minsky to him, or he to Minsky? Well, the political elite claim to be informed by “science”, and also try to control “science”. It follows that they would try to control scientists in the same way they try to influence business and information. It then follows that _any_ of the supporting structures relied upon by the political class would have been corrupted by Epstein. The information suppressed would, by that reasoning, be capable of discrediting every structure required to sustain the current political elite. That would meet the requirements of criteria (1) and (2).

    Just the above deduction makes the Epstein case comparable to 9/11 (the Middle East really doesn’t like us, never has) and the Obama administration (the POC really don’t like the Whites, never have). The Epstein case says that the political elites have staffed most American institutions with criminals who can be blackmailed. This is analogous to the cities importing foreigners who can’t work productively in an industrial society in order to maintain city population, hence the cities’ political power and tax revenue.

    To fully appreciate the above, you have to remember that successful organized politicians are a bit below the average intelligence of their constituents [2], and are rewarded only for winning political fights (such as elections). Once their constituents were convinced that various sexual pathologies [3] are unimportant, they would see little or nothing wrong with establishing a political networks based on these pathologies. If politicians can back the variations on procreative sex that they are backing (and won’t shut up about), why no control networks based on sexual pathologies? Note that this implies parallel networks with a similar function.

    The Epstein death is another major loss for the existing system, an admission by the political elite that their support networks are deception ops. It also explains the striking unproductivity of these networks since about AD 1970.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky

    2] Riordon.
    _Some very plain talks about very practical politics_

    3] Patholgies in the evolutionary sense because they reduce number of offspring. I say this to avoid useless arguments.

  154. onebornfree says: • Website

    This whole affair is nothing more than a clear demonstration of “standard operating procedure” .

    As another commenter noted, an “in your face” demo, with an “in your face” smirk added for good measure.

    I think it is critical for the individual to understand the true nature of all governments, everywhere, big or small. [Relative] freedom for the individual can only come via such an understanding:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “Why should any self-respecting citizen endorse an institution grounded on thievery? For that is what one does when one votes. If it be argued that we must let bygones be bygones, see what can be done toward cleaning up the institution of the State so that it might be useful in the maintenance of orderly existence, the answer is that it cannot be done; you cannot clean up a brothel and yet leave the business intact. We have been voting for one “good government” after another, and what have we got?” Frank Chodorov

    ……….which means that anyone now looking for government “solutions” to this story [ie “justice”] and others like it is going to be severely disappointed.

    So now, the wholly corrupt [as it inevitably must be] FBI is “investigating” this sordid affair.

    Crooks “investigating” crooks. That should at least be “good for a laugh”, if nothing else.

    And so it goes…

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: OEMIKITLOB
  155. Iris says:
    @freedom-cat

    It looks like an indirect hit at the Jewish Power Structure

    This is the most important question to answer: why was the US Justice system allowed to charge Epstein in the first place, what triggered his indictment after two decades of impunity?

    Also, why was the US Court of Appeals suddenly emboldened, making public over 2,000 pages of court filings that had previously been under seal ? ( they were published on Friday).

    It is certain that Epstein worked for Mossad: his long-term association with Maxwell is evidence of it. If he had exceeded his useful life and had become a liability, Mossad would have used more discrete ways of getting rid of him, such as the “accidental” drowning of Robert Maxwell. It wasn’t in their benefit to have such publicity about them running paedophile networks to trap politicians.

    The people who put Epstein in jail removed an abscess poisoning the US political system by its blackmail-related ramifications. They may be patriotic American forces undermining Israeli control over the US .

  156. Anonymous[825] • Disclaimer says:

    My post to UK’s Independent website was deleted because I had suggested that the espionage info on behalf of Israel Epstein will be taking to his grave maybe just as explosive, even more so than his pedophilia activities and celebrity ring. I naively thought that Israeli spies getting a free pass was common knowledge. Not so, says the Independent.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  157. @Grizaby

    Right now, Trump is the only possible route to salvation for this nation against the equality-worshiping, fascist-fantasist, white-hating left, and yet you carelessly lump Trump in with the pedophile oligarchy with nary a thought registering in what passes for your brain.

    Here’s a clue: moral equivalence is not a philosophy, its a cop-out.

    • Replies: @Insouciant
    , @GeeBee
    , @Grizaby
  158. Miggle says:

    This has to stop. Continuing an investigation of a Jewish suspect once he is deceased is anti-Semitism.

  159. @Republic

    Then make it RII (requiescat in inferno).

    • Replies: @Republic
  160. @refl

    Three comments:

    1. super-rich, frequently powerful etc. are mostly boring people with their little dirty secret of sex which is nothing more than harmless fetish (although it may be humiliating, for a dispassionate outsider it is nothing spectacular or diabolical). In effect, if one exposes the dirtiest laundry of the most powerful (politically, economically, militarily, …) people in past 100-150 years, it would be a yawn fest.

    2. now, in the Western world, erotic blackmail of those guys has lost much of its power. Cheating? No big deal. Gay? Well, that may be a problem, but in the contemporary West far from a death sentence to a career. So, sex blackmail threat has greatly diminished. It does exist, but I’d say that 70-80% of its leverage power had vanished. Public pornography of entertainment figures had greatly contributed to that.

    3. what is exposed is, in my opinion, corruption & rottenness of many leading public figures. In politics- why keep company with someone as sleazy as Epstein. He evidently was a dirtbag from the get-go. Old Rockefeller or any magnate, for instance J.P. Getty would have nothing to do with an Epstein.

    On the other hand- JFK would (and did), as well as LBJ. Th0′, whatever one can think of them, Nixon or Carter, from what we have on them from reliable sources-no.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  161. Miggle says:

    Sorry, I couldn’t find a Cutty Sarc emoji. But that’s the sarc.

  162. annamaria says:
    @Alfred

    This “someone” was actually Bill Browder, the protege of an ardent zionist Ben Cardin: http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Political_skeptic/Fighting_russophobia/Propaganda_as_creation_of_artificial_reality/Browder/index.shtml

    Bill Browder “got his start under the patronage of Robert Maxwell” — a Mossad agent and father of Ghislaine Maxwell, the procuress of young girls for the pedophiles’ pleasure on Epstein’s properties. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/magnitsky-affair-the-murder-of-edmond-safra-in-monaco/

    Robert Maxwell was highly regarded by the Israeli government. He was certainly used by them to help in the process of Jewish emigration from the Soviet Union and, in return, he was seen by the Soviet government as an important contact in dealings with Israel. This involved commercial interests as well that linked Maxwell with secret defence deals between Israel and the countries of Eastern Europe. Maxwell had important investments in the Israeli defence industry…

    “The Browder affair is a heady upper-class Jewish cocktail of money, spies, politicians and international crime:” http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-good-fortune-of-mr-browder/

  163. @Counterinsurgency

    The most shocking thing to me was the mention of Marvin Minsky [1]. Minsky????!!!! Minsky is not a politician. He’s an ultra-high prestige Professor, a real pioneer in computer science. Why in the world would Epstein be supplying Minsky? What is Minsky to him, or he to Minsky?

    Minsky, apart from his genuine contributions to AI & other numerous technical fields, was a crackpot believer in transhumanism & bodily resurrection via cryogenics (as was Epstein). Minsky even wrote texts on that subject (they’re available).

    It is very likely that Epstein arranged a sex (or porn) event for Minsky, then a geriatric old fart.

  164. @Anonymous

    Are there MSM that are really “independent”?

  165. Duh says:

    Palfrey, dead. Epstein, dead.

    Sandusky, sittin at the shorteyes’ lunch table. Larry King, long happy life. Geffen, scared straight.

    What makes the difference?

  166. ariadna says:
    @iffen

    “I’m not all that smart and I wouldn’t make such films and lose contol of them. Would you?”

    What makes you think he had control of them? Do you think he was the one deciding which are “keepers” to be forwarded on? For all we know the material recorded automatically flew just as automatically where it was supposed to. Epstein only provided the environment and organised the “events.”

  167. anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    What a world.
    Just beautiful.

    Right! Sarcasm, of course?

    Knowing your commenting history, and the kind of soulless lowlifes like you who exist in it… indeed, what a world.

    If only given the chance, degenerates like you would love to be in that jooscum’s shoes.

    The like of you make this world, ugly!

  168. annamaria says:
    @Alfred

    Magnitsky, an accountant knowledgeable in tax evasion, was a dangerous witness against Bill Brower. Magtnitsky was not the only victim of Browder. Interpol refuses to take care of the scoundrel; we also hear nothing about Red Alert for Ghislaine Maxwell whose involvement in organizing child prostitution is well documented.

    At least, when people hear the name of Assange today, they immediately think about Epstein and Maxwell and the rotten justice system in the US & UK.
    The UK is, of course, notorious for its cover for the wealthy and influential British pedophiles — a lot of them.

    “How Thatcher’s Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring:” https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-thatchers-government-covered-up-a-vip-pedophile-ring

    “Westminster paedophile dossier:” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier

    “Paedophile politicians – the ones that got away:” https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/paedophile-politicians-ones-got-away

    “England: Land of Royals, Tea and Horrific Pedophilia Coverups:” https://time.com/2974381/england-land-of-royals-tea-and-horrific-pedophilia-coverups/

    • Agree: Alfred
  169. Robjil says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    It is also Tisha B’av. The Jewish days that honor the destruction of first and second temple in Jerusalem which is 8/10 and 8/11 this year. The most probable reason that he died or released on this date is because of this holiday.

    Foxes supposedly were found near the Temple Mount this year . Foxes are supposedly a “sign” of coming of the Third Temple. The Jewish and Christian Zionists are all talking about this as a huge thing as it happened this week which is Tisha B’av time. This is a very “special” Tisha B’av since foxes appeared near the Temple Mount. If Epstein is alive, perhaps is playing with some foxes near the Temple Mount.

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Foxes-seen-walking-near-the-Western-Wall-fulfilling-bib

    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/134846/foxes-temple-mount-prophetic-proof-jerusal

    https://www.rt.com/news/466157-foxes-jerusalem-temple-mount-prophecy

    https://www.hidabroot.com/article/197311/Prophecy-Coming-True-Foxes-Seen-Near-the-

    https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/temple-watchers-say-foxes-spotted-walking-near-weste

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201908091076512851-foxes-jerusalem-temple-moun

  170. anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    For the same reason people build nuclear weapons but don’t ever use them

    Yes, except if they are the humanimals of the pale kind.

  171. annamaria says:
    @Cowboy

    The New York Post’s motto: “Never be truthful — always be in service to the ZUSA”

  172. @Republic

    Republic asked the following reasonable question: “Why is Giraldi wishing eternal rest and peace to this dead scumbag?

    At times indulging ironic sarcasm, I suggest Philip Giraldi’s “RIP” might really mean Rest in (Eternal) Perdition. Not good tactic to pile on P.G.! Besides, the “scumbag” might be alive, Republic.

    Fyi, linked below is a fairly informative RT article on “what we know” & the more weighty “don’t know” about Epstein’s alleged prison suicide/death. It appears A.G. William Barr won’t let Epstein’s Most Favored Pedophile Clients “R.I.P.” 🤔

    https://www.rt.com/usa/466244-epstein-suicide-watch-facts/

  173. utu says:
    @Iris

    This is the most important question to answer: why was the US Justice system allowed to charge Epstein in the first place, what triggered his indictment after two decades of impunity?

    Yes, indeed this is the most important question. The answer could tell us whether there are “patriotic American forces undermining Israeli control over the US.”

  174. Miggle says:
    @sally

    The entire Congress are accomplices, therefore. Further, in disgracing America they are not only murderers, they are all traitors. Put them all except the freshmen on trial, but individually. They may not all deserve life imprisonment.

  175. I’m surprised that Commentator Alden hasn’t given us the benefit of her knowledge of the criminal justice system. Whether or not Epstein was meant to be on suicide watch it occurs to me that the pretty standard predictable carelessness and incompetence ought to be anticipated and countered with technological fixes. Obviously there is no way that human eyes are not going to look at a suicidal prisoner without a few minute break and it seems unlikely that, even if all sharp objects have been removed, no clothing is left which could be tightened around the neck with a little ingenuity. And even toilet paper could be used to choke on. So…..Just as, decades late, police are wearing body cams and recording every interaction it should not be beyond the wit of prison managers to have semi naked prisoners fitted with devices which would instantly transmit evidence of dangerous physiological changes. Obviously not done in Epstein’s case.

  176. A.R. says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Indeed it is. Very interesting read. Thank you for the links.

  177. ariadna says:
    @Priss Factor

    Possible. He could have also become so arrogant he p’d off his creators by an insulting act of disobedience or disrespect or even just negligence, like contributing only $50,000 to a Jewish/Israeli charity and spending the rest of the sum he was expected to fork over from Wexner’s largesse on… himself.

  178. annamaria says:
    @Tony Ryals

    “they allowed convicted in Israel money launderer for Bibi Netanyahu to enter the U.S. and incorporate ICTS International in Delaware in 1999. And put the stock on NASDAQ and with sell of shares to Americans they could buy Huntleigh airport rent-a-cops and the contract to guard Logan Airport Boston just prior to 9/11.”

    — Splendid.

    Here is also another valuable Israeli, Ihor Kolomoisky, the main financier of a neo-nazi battalion Azov in the currently zionized Ukraine. (Not a peep from the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center of “nazi-hunters”).
    THE KOLOMOISKY PYRAMID: http://johnhelmer.net/the-kolomoisky-pyramid-started-with-hillary-clinton-and-victoria-nuland-of-the-state-department-plus-christine-lagarde-of-the-imf/

    In the spring of 2014, the IMF voted massive loans for the Ukraine … More than a third of the fresh IMF money was paid out by the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU), the state’s central bank, into PrivatBank controlled by Kolomoisky and his partner, Gennady Bogolyubov.

    “From at least 2006 through December 2016, the UBOs [Ultimate Beneficial Owners – Kolomoisky, Bogolyubov] were the majority and controlling stockholders of PrivatBank, one of Ukraine’s largest privately-held commercial banks. During that time period, the UBOs used PrivatBank as their own personal piggy bank—ultimately stealing billions of dollars from PrivatBank and using United States entities to launder hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of PrivatBank’s misappropriated loan proceeds into the United States to enrich themselves and their co-conspirators.”…

    By the end of 2016, state bank auditors claimed there was “a $5.6-billion hole in [Privat’s] balance sheet caused by shady lending practices, with almost all of its corporate loans made to related parties.”

    Next time you read about the impoverished ordinary Ukrainians, think the mega-thief Kolomoisky, his Israeli crew, and his enablers at the IMF and US State Dept.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  179. @alexander

    Did you forget the /sarc tag?

    All of that could have been said about JFK, but instead we got a magic bullet.

  180. ariadna says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yeah, right… Epstein did not die…. This is a good one to keep repeating so people with any trace of common sense can be persuaded that everything you hear/read about Epstein other than his pedo crimes is just a silly conspiracy theory.

    • Replies: @neprof
  181. @Iris

    “They may be patriotic American forces undermining Israeli control over the US.”

    It’s possible. If true, I would think there would be a “tell” or signs that would reinforce this. We’ll see.

  182. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Great example of your bottom line. Convenient suicides of inconvenient witnesses is hardly a new thing for the “democratic nations” of the “Free World”, and never were.

    Anyone who ever believed Epstein would take the stand was certainly a fool. Whether he was murdered or snuck out the back door is of no consequence. The story will now die a quiet death and guilty will walk free. Nothing here to see, move along.

  183. ariadna says:

    Despite being a billionaire, Wexner was obviously woefully naive about money matters. He realized that the college dropout in his 20s with no qualifications of any kind, Epstein, was a financial genius that could help him, you know, prosper.
    How did he meet him? See, Epstein had been hired to teach math at a highly prestigious and exclusive prep school in Manhattan despite the fact that he was not even qualified to teach Home Ec at a high school in Paducah. His genius was shining early on. It so happened that Wexner’s son was a student there. He must have told his dad about this incredible math teacher he had. So Wexner Sr. lured him away from his teaching job, set him up as an investor, all nicely registered, and became his only client. He gave him a mansion in Manhattan and many, many millions of dollars to… well, “invest.”

    Clearly he was doing exceptionally well as a one-client investor because he bought himself more mansions in Palm Beach and France and a nice Caribbean island.
    Busybodies who know nothing about high finance now look askance at the outflow of money from Exner to Epstein. The explanation is simple:
    “”We discovered that he had misappropriated vast sums of money from me and my family,” Wexner wrote in a letter to his charitable Wexner Foundation Community. “This was, frankly, a tremendous shock, even though it clearly pales in comparison to the unthinkable allegations against him now.”
    Makes perfect sense to me.
    How come Wexner did not realize at any point that Epstein was stealing “vast sums of money” from him?
    He must have been too deeply engrossed in the confidential material (popularly known as ”dirt”) Epstein was providing on the top US politicians that was better than money in the bank.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  184. @JohnnyWalker123

    JohnnyWalker123 linked dubious pictures of presumed dead Epstein & intelligently asked: “Seriously, why does his ear look so different in the photograph.”

    Great job, Johnny, thanks.

    I suggest the ZUS propaganda faculty went “cheap” to steer away public attention when they should have hired Rita Katz’s more professional firm, the “SITE Group” to handle production of fake death evidence.

    Haha, they tripped over the sinking Amerikan dollar to pick up a crime dime.🙄

  185. anastasia says:

    Why are there only two theories about Epstein, both claiming he is dead? Here are some of the brain dead theories people are swallowing whole.
    The federal government was determined to throw the case in 2008, but that same government now wants to put him in jail for life? He was in “good spirits” in recent days, and during this time committed suicide? There was a dress rehearsal of an unsuccessful suicide attempt that certainly got us all in the frame of mind to accept his suicide? He tried to kill himself, but was taken off, or was never put on “suicide watch”? The cameras malfunctioned at the precise time he “committed suicide?” He hung himself with the yards of rope or other instruments for hanging that were put into his jail cell?

    Then, there is the Anonymous quote from someone who obviously works in a corrections facility as he uses all the terms associated therewith, eg. “trip van”, “tower guy”. This guy says that a “trip van” came into the correctional facility and did not register with the “tower guy”. The plate number was not taken down. There was a “military person” in the rear of the van. Around the same time, Epstein was taken out of his cell in a wheel chair, handcuffed in front to be taken to the medical unit, but all triage nurses claim they never saw him.

    Frankly, if I were Epstein and heard these stories, I would be in “good spirits” too.

    • Replies: @JRB
  186. Republic says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    damnatio aeterna

    also

    Damnatio memoriae

  187. @Monotonous Languor

    Slapping the label “fascist fantasist” is not a philosophy, its [sic] a cop-out.

  188. mushroom says:

    thanx mr. giraldi – wonderful reporting as usual.

    eppy is safe in israel. a realitivly simple task for them.

  189. alexander says:
    @alexander

    Has anyone heard anything about what happened to the surveillance camera on Jeffrey’s cell ?

    Was it mysteriously “turned off” a few hours before he allegedly committed suicide ?

    Why hasn’t the media addressed this issue ?…… it has been over 24 hours…and there has been nothing about it , from anyone.

  190. The Idrees that the CIA would not want blackmail material on Amerikastani politicians is asinine. The first thing it would want is compromising material to keep its nominal bosses meekly toeing the line.

  191. anon[783] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    You are ready to believe anything . To support your reason for believing what you believe , you offer one argument that is Jews are so brilliantly powerful .

    You really offer an window into understanding the inevitable unintended collusion between the powerlessness we suffer from and the story we tell ourselves .

  192. anon[783] • Disclaimer says:
    @alexander

    If the minors could recognize Epstein , minors should be able to recognize other pretty faces also .

    • Replies: @alexander
  193. DanFromCT says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Nice comment, along with many others. It should be obvious, however, that whoever killed Epstein or flew him out of the country doesn’t expect us to believe he committed suicide. Any group that could fly the 911 perps back to Israel right under the noses of the CIA, FBI, and NYPD could just as easily order Epstein’s jailers and NYPD to stand down and look the other way.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  194. @Bardon Kaldian

    BARDON

    1. Most likely Bill and Hillary wanted Epstein’s money, not his jail bait. I’d say the same went for many of his guests. Also, if you saw a teen runaway of 15 who was already hooked on drugs and roaming the streets of Miami turning tricks, you might be forgiven for being unaware that she was underage if you saw her at a party. These sort of girls age badly.

    2. These days, perversion is “empowering”. If you appear in a gang-bang video, you’re regarded as hip. It would be quite impossible to blackmail anyone. Epstein was the one getting blackmailed-a Jew from a lower middle class background trying to feel special by paying to be around important people…which is nothing new.

    3. Are we supposed to be surprised that Prince Harry may have snorted cocaine with Epstein and been present at some party involving jail bait?

    Nixon was a hard drinker and a racist and anti-Semite (Which he never hid from Kissinger). He had prejudices particular to his era-for example, he was contemptuous of Italians as well.

    Carter was a genuinely well-meaning person. But we forgot about Billy Carter. He was the original black sheep.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  195. @renfro

    Is he really dead in those pictures, or could it be some sort of mask? Photoshopped? My trust of these sorts of people is just so profoundly low.

  196. Miro23 says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    In essence, (1) and (2) say that exposure of the information would be a game changer, would delegitimize the entire current political elite.

    There could be more to it than messing around with underage girls. The same crowd were involved in much heavier stuff in Pizzagate and from the testimony of the Dutch banker Ronald Bernard.

  197. anastasia says:

    Did anyone consider this possibility. That the same jail guards who turned a blinds eye when someone murdered him or when he committed suicide, could turn the same blinds eye to Epstein being wheeled right out of the facility.

  198. And where is now Nadia Marcinkova? Still alive? She knows a lot as the pilot of the Lolita-Express.

  199. @Sean

    LOL. Billionaire who owns his own island which is visited by US presidents is going to have to worry about a rough time in prison.

  200. anastasia says:

    Wexner only just noticed that 500 million is missing? Please. Spare me

  201. anastasia says:

    There are two other pieces of evidence to show Epstein was affiliated with intelligence services, and frankly, any intelligence agent associated with Israel is also associated with the US. That is a given.

    Steven Hoffenberg said that Epstein was a “currency manipulator” for the CIA, and I read that he “destabilized” the entire mid-east. Lynn Forester (Rothchild) wrote a letter to Clinton while he was President singing the praises of Epstein for his work in “currency stabilization.”

    • Replies: @anastasia
  202. lysias says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    You mean, a government led by elected politicians won’t do it (clean things up, drain the swamp).

    A government like that of ancient Athens, where most offices are held by average citizens chosen by lot, would be able and willing, I think. And so might a government like China’s, led by engineers and technicians.

  203. @SafeNow

    It is in your face.

    This shit just shat on the “rule of law” concept that our society is supposed to be built upon.

    I was wrong, it is 2019, important persons of interest can still be killed off without consequences.

    Lol, fuck me. Nothing has changed.

    Freedom my fucking ass.

  204. onebornfree says: • Website

    onebornfree says: “Anyone now looking for government “solutions” to this story [ie “justice”] and others like it is going to be severely disappointed.So now, the wholly corrupt [as it inevitably must be] FBI is “investigating” this sordid affair. Crooks “investigating” crooks. That should at least be “good for a laugh”, if nothing else.And so it goes…”

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
    • Replies: @alexander
    , @anonymous
  205. anastasia says:
    @anastasia

    https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3021581/us-labelling-china-currency-manipulator-absurd-threatens

    Sounds like the US needs a “currency manipulator”. We keep accusing Chine of currency manipulation, but I always believed in the adage that what peter says about paul is truer about peter than it is about paul.

  206. TKK says:
    @Colin Wright

    He wasn’t that powerful?

    I’ve had clients receive 20 year prison sentences for fingering a 17 year when he was were 22 and dating the girl in South Florida. Lifelong sex offender status.

    As a lawyer, when you look at the astonishing, appalling, blow your mind, Sci- if level leniency of a misdemeanor charge for systemic rape of more than 40 children– all from disadvantaged beackgrounds-

    This man had staggering power. Likely rooted in blackmail.

    Two important points:

    1. Hope he did commit suicide, and the conditions that allowed it are the slippage of America into 3rd world incompetence and insolent work ethic, powered by non merit based hiring.

    2. If he’s dead, and I don’t believe he is, hope he has a failsafe dead man’s trigger worthy of a PD James novel.

  207. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I knew the feds were completely crooked on July 5, 2016, when Comey let Hillary walk and exonerated her in a national televised press conference—something no FBI director had ever done in the Bureau’s history.

    Now the feds just getting sloppy in their crookedness. Even the normies are smelling rats.

    I chuckled when I heard the DOJ/FBI was tasked with getting to the bottom of this. When does Barr plan to hold a press conference summarizing the investigation as being a botched robbery??

    The same people in 2019 who would believe in the veracity of the FBI are also inclined to believe what they are fed by CNN/MSNBC/Fox News so an FBI investigation serves no purpose.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Gentle Hysteric
  208. anastasia says:

    “The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans,…..”

    The author must be joking, of course.

  209. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:

    The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans…

    Pull the other one, it’s got bells on it.

    Mossad ran a decades-long blackmail operation inside the United States that netted kompromat on numerous prominent American citizens including the president, and used as a front-man a highly suspicious convicted paedophile who would regularly throw lavish parties and pal around with celebrities.

    And the CIA had no idea?

  210. @Macon Richardson

    Agree button timed out. Believing “stories” written by “newspapers” is dumb.

    The Guardian UK:

    Alan Dershowitz tried to discredit girl who accused Jeffrey Epstein of rape

    Harvard law professor recruited private investigators to track girl and suggested that the unnamed teenager was pursuing Epstein for money

    sent police printed copies of her MySpace page, claiming it displayed a “fascination with marijuana”

    Dershowitz Responds After 1997 ‘Statutory Rape Is an Outdated Concept’ Op-Ed Resurfaces

  211. VICB3 says:
    @Tsigantes

    It was reported that his corpse was taken to a local hospital and *not* to the city morgue. Why would they do that then? Why not the ME?

    Consider that intelligence agents don’t remain loyal if they think that they’ll be kicked to the curb once their usefullness is over. That, and once the word gets out that you didn’t hold up your end of the bargain re protection – and it does – your other agents will very much have second thoughts about helping you, even to the point of blowing your various operations in order to save their skins. In short, they having helped you, it’s in your interests to help them in turn.

    So consider:

    Perhaps instead of being suicided, he was promised by his handlers that, since the usefullness of their honeypot operation was over, he would be removed from jail in some sort of “Valhalla” type program to where he could live in anonymous safety and a good deal of comfort. He was then give a drug that would simulate death – a fugu neurotoxin derivative perhaps – and told to “commit suicide” once they arranged for the guards to absent themselves. They would then arrange for him to be taken to the local hospital for revival, then secreted out of the country to someplace out of the way and quiet (and doubtless with plenty of young girls).

    This of course would require the use of sayanim within the jail and hospital systems, but reputedly the Mossad has plenty of those within the New York City area.

    Of course, this leads to the question that, if indeed this was going to happen, why would he be complaining about somebody trying to kill him? Misdirection? What? Who knows?

    To my mind, two things *are* certain in all this:

    -The water is still very muddy here, and the real truth still remains to be revealed.

    -That truth will not come from the “Official” investigation; expect a whitewash instead, and with a few non-entities thrown under the bus to take the blame.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  212. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    More like something out of the Godfather.

    I’m thinking maybe part II, where Tom visits Pentangeli in prison to discuss Roman history

  213. jester says:

    Santa came early to the prison, slipped down the chimney with a present of a nice roll of rope for Jeff. Instead of flying away with Santa and Rudy, Jeff chose the happy hunting ground where all Jew perverts go ! He is probably there right now reinventing himself.

    A Jew that robs another Jew makes God laugh. One look at Mr Wexner and you know he would never go in for the usual perversions. He looks like a righteous fellow. Reminds me of Soros and Adelson, the same holy look and innocence personified.

    In the end it does not matter. Like the drug trade once the main man departs (naturally or not) there is always someone to immediately replace him. It is only a matter of time before another sordid Lolita express takes off with a cargo of the rich and famous for another underage playground.

    And the rich and famous may be rich and famous but not too smart. It puzzles me that these idiots have the money to buy the best hookers in the world and yet they prefer underage girls and boys.

    Poor Jeff, he knew too much and had to be let go. Dead men tell no tales and silence is golden!

    • Replies: @annamaria
  214. Che Guava says:

    Doc Giraldi,

    I am sure that I am not the first of 168 (at time of starting) to mention this, but it was widely predicted, IIRC you suggested the probability, as did several de-platformed U.S.A. types that I enjoy reading.

    Haven’t finished reading the article yet (sure will), but I took a Chinese neighbour to a summer traditional dance event tonight. As we rode the metro back, he was playing with social media, since he climbed Mt. Fuji last night, took three great photos from the peak.

    So, I started up Unz, and when he got bored with social media, showed him the photo of Epstein, asked ‘Do you know about this man?’, and explained about the real estate, mysterious sources of extreme wealth, Clinton connection, likely Israeli connection, Lolita Express, etc.

    So, now I started reading your article, I just thought WTF, this is incredible, what is comparable? The fate of Jack Ruby?

    I am very interested in U.S.A. history, but would not want to compare it to Gen. Patton’s magical car accident or the defenestration of Forrestal, since those (presumable) murders were of patriotic citizens of the U.S.A.

    Epstein was a piece of slime.

    However, it is hard not to suspect that the same interests were behind all four, though with very different means and reasons.

  215. @Chris in Cackalacky

    The papers have already been made and approved. He’s probably just waiting for a good plastic surgeon

  216. MLK says:

    The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans. . .

    That’s very funny! Don’t you have any respect for yourself?! Why don’t you just stop the embarrassment and admit that you belong to Brennan and other seditious filth you’re protecting through distraction?

    Of course, Binney (a genuine American hero) disagrees with you on the objectives and actions of “our intelligence community.”

    • Replies: @MLK
  217. Durruti says:
    @utu

    Killing people is simple and cheap. Faking their death is incomparably more complicated and much more expensive.

    One may wonder where does the susceptibility to believe in victimless hoaxes come from? Too much crappy TV shows? Jellyfied brain? Disinfo?

    Questions to be answered, or that may never be answered.

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/dead-men-tell-no-tales.html

    This is a nicely organized video that all citizens should see. Yes, he avoids mention of the Elephant, but the statement is brilliant & begs our citizens to awaken.

    Restore our Republic & put things right!

  218. alexander says:
    @onebornfree

    This is a superb synopsis by Stefan.

    It gets right to the heart of the matter in the most succinct way.

    Really good!

  219. Alden says:
    @renfro

    Good one, thanks congrats

  220. @gutta percha

    “The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans” Why is that?
    They would be an incompetent intelligence agency if they didn’t.

    Any intelligence agency that did not compile dossiers on those who control their funding would be more than incompetent–they would be gone.

  221. Just note,

    I was interested in the reference to his intelligence connections — it is tragic that there will not be a rendering of the issues in the case. By appearances it looked to be test of the efficacy of our political class and perhaps system.

  222. @Professional Stranger

    Just like with Bin Laden’s sea burrial – if we get no direct physical confirmation, option 3 becomes the most enticing!

  223. It’s an intelligence operation as confirmed by Acosta-” By way of deception thou shall make war ” (Mossad’s old motto) .

  224. Corvinus says:
    @iffen

    Actually, we do know what Epstein was all about. He was a sick pervert who housed girls for sex with prominent whites and Jews. The most logical and credible conspiracy theory is that Alan Dershowitz used his White House connections to make sure Epstein would not offer damaging testimony. It is already been verified that Russia has Kompromat on Trump, and that there is evidence that suggests he is involved in some way.

    • LOL: Wally
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  225. @Lot

    “Good summary of all of your articles!”

    Very witty, but in this case the most likely answer is Mossad, isn’t it?

  226. TKK says:
    @utu

    Your argument that killing people in federal custody is cheap is not rooted in logic, and especially obtuse regarding someone with well heeled lawyers and the ability to post a 250 million cash bond.

    It appears you’ve never been inside a secured criminal facility in a large metropolitan area.

    First, the number of people that would have to be paid off inside the jail and trusted to keep such a staggering conspiracy of murder, would be upwards of 30- 40. There are back ups to the fail safes, mandatory checks of the checks.

    To open a door in solitary confinement in maximum , a computer would first receive the command, and a second would verify- a third would record. A fourth would open. This is all recorded on back up servers off site.

    American inmates are the most bored people on the planet. They miss nothing. They will know who went to his cell, what time and the sound of a mouse squeaking.

    Epstein was already putting money on other inmates books. The naive, canned blather of MSM stated this was blackmail and fear based. It’s not.

    It’s an insurance policy that someone is watching what happens to you and telling their families on the outside.

    Conversely, helping him escape by staging a suicide, aided by various pharmaceuticals placed discreetly on his dinner tray would involve 2- 3 people.

    Epstein could’ve been slipped medication that mimicked cardiac arrest or deep unconsciousness. He would’ve been transported to the hospital via medical personnel outside the correctional facility , who simply follow orders.

    Once his body was taken over by certain physicians, they could’ve quickly helped him escape and another body placed in the black bag.

    One physician and the coroner paid $10 million each, and the lawyers who will never talk is a far better bet than the troglodytes who staff jails. They would post it on their Facebook accounts.

    The strangely convenient and overt displays of Epstein being wheeled into the hospital and then a black body bag put in the corners van are the smoking guns that a) there was a campaign to have “ proof “ dead and b) it was realized with medical personnel.

    Look at Epstein’s face on the stretcher. That was him. Then search for images of faces of suicides by hanging. Compare.

    The reason to keep him alive is the dead man’s trigger. Epstein strikes one as an individual of high cunning, a global shyster, an outlaw that power brokers played sycophant to for decades.

    If he can manage to become an individual worth hundreds of millions of dollars from the humble roots of a non degreed math teacher at Dalton ( with a janitor father) imagine the calculations and preparations he’s made if his associates in crime get nervous.

    To blithely dismiss theories that he’s alive, when the preceding majority of his life and his Teflon status is so exaggerated that a literary editor would reject the plot outright for its absurdity is ignorant and tragically, exactly what the Club we don’t belong to want you to believe.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Sean
    , @Commentator Mike
  227. GeeBee says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    You have to understand that the first and biggest step you can make towards a sort of gnosis, whereby it is possible to comprehend the world we live in, is to recognise so-called ‘democracy’ for what it actually is. Or rather, for what it most certainly is not. It is not about giving ‘the people’ any sort of a say whatsoever in the way ‘their’ country is run. The poor dupes that we call the electorate get to vote, in essence, for ‘A’ or ‘A’. For sure there may be very subtle differences, such as ‘A right now’ or ‘A in a short while’. But ‘A’ is what we’re going to get, whether we vote for Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Labour, or for the matter of that, the Man in the Moon. Our much-vaunted ‘democracy’ is the worst possible system imaginable. It was defined by Francis Parker Yockey as ‘the corruptibilty of public governance by private wealth’, and no better description of this appalling sham could be devised.

    [MORE]

    Any vote for any mainstream legacy party candidate is therefore no more than a rubber stamp given to the successful candidate to carry out agenda ‘A’. Not only this, but agenda ‘A’, you may depend, is just about the worst possible set of policies that ‘the people’ could possibly desire, and if politicians told the truth (that’ll be the day) about what they intended, very few votes indeed would go their way. For agenda ‘A’ is about the off-shoring of jobs, resulting in unemployment and low-wage service work; mass, transformative immigration; usurious lending; increasing crime (which is at least in part intentional); unsafe streets; unending petty regulations; universal state surveillance; erosion of personal rights and privileges; the collapse of the bedrock of any functioning society, which is to say the family; and not least, the ever-increasing and fully pre-planned spectacle of cultural, civic and personal ugliness that we see all around us and which has made the world a far less wholesome place than it was so recently.

    Agenda ‘A’ is therefore what all legacy parties offer to ‘the people’. But why? The simple answer is that those artificial, and ultimately false constructs that we call ‘the Left’ and ‘the Right’ are just mirror images of the same thing. Governments of ‘the Left’ – let’s say communist governments – own big business and control the media; whereas governments of ‘the Right’ are owned by big business and are controlled by the media. Thus, in either case, it is the tiny minority that are invested in what we call ‘Globalism’ that always end up calling all the shots. Globalism’s core aim is reflected in both Communist and Capitalist dogma: they are just the two sides of the same coin. Their aim is to soften up the maximum number of countries for exploitation. To re-make them in their image, in fact, or to ‘privatise’ them so to speak. A major desideratum is establishing an homogenised mass consumer base. Thus immigration is an essential tool in ironing out troublesome variations in cultural preference – which is to say abolishing true diversity, and replacing it with an homogenous culture which is cynically (and laughably) given the label ‘diversity’.

    No professional politician in a ‘democracy’ would dare to utter a single sylable that was not sanctioned by what Curtis Yarvin christened ‘the cathedral’ (he would more accurately have used the epithet ‘the synagogue, but we’ll let this pass). What he meant by this was the matrix of power in which real power lies, and which comprises the media-entertainment complex, the military-industrial complex, the legal apparatus and, most important of all, the ‘Financial International’. These components of the matrix work together to ‘manufacture consent’ among the electorate by means of what I like to think of as ‘the three Bs’, whereby ‘the people’ are bribed, brainwashed and bludgeoned into compliance with the Left-Liberal/Progressive – which is to say, the Globalist – agenda. Thus, as Yarvin put it, ‘politicians live downstream of the cathedral. Or in other words, they do as they’re told.

    To persist in imagining that any political candidate, or any serving politician, either can or wants to change this huge and unshakeable monolith is tragically naive. Donald Trump is just as much a puppet of the true power, residing in the matrix, as is any other President or indeed any other Western leader. I do hope you will give some thought to what I have written. It is most important.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  228. So far the one sure thing about all this is that the entertainment and distraction continue. However, adding to the speculation, I wouldn’t be surprised if something, mutatis mutandis of course, along these lines is taking place again.

    Internationalists Sacrifice Own Race

    … there is evidence that the internationalists behind the British empire policy are willing to sacrifice the “little Jews” in order to protect their financial racket in other parts of the empire. The Sassoons’ control of India, the privately-owned Suez canal “racket” of the Rothschilds, the far-flung “empire” of the Monteflores in Australia, all are threatened. These powerful privateers will not hesitate to throw to the wolves a mere 400,000 Jews in Palestine if by a diplomatic double-cross they can court favor with the Mohammedans in Turkey and India.

    British Leaders Sacrifice Jews to Win Favor of Mohammedans
    Social Justice, May 29, 1939, p. 8

    http://www.unz.com/print/SocialJustice-1939may29-00008

    • Agree: Zumbuddi
  229. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    I remember something about Billie Sol Estes and commodities swindles. Plus other things. And a Bobby Baker??? former aide of LBJs who ran a party club where politicians could meet women and rent rooms. That was ordinary prostitution and black mail

  230. Corvinus says:
    @Iris

    “It is certain that Epstein worked for Mossad: his long-term association with Maxwell is evidence of it.”

    Indeed, with Dershowitz as a conduit to the White House. No doubt the Harvard professor is complicit in this crime. However, it was a benefit of Mossad to have Epstein run his sex ring, as it provided it with much needed leverage, so the publicity angle was a necessary evil.

    No doubt there is a connection to Trump and his Jew advisor Stephen Miller.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Iris
  231. @DanFromCT

    Any group that could fly the 911 perps back to Israel right under the noses of the CIA, FBI, and NYPD could just as easily order Epstein’s jailers and NYPD to stand down and look the other way.

    It would be easy enough to issue the orders, and have them obeyed, but what then? If there is an investigation and outsiders killed Epstein, then there is a risk that the people ordered would report that to the investigators. Same with the person or persons who shut down the video system, the guard at the front gate, and anybody else involved. If it’s suborned insiders, the risk is from non-suborned insiders who happened to see things and from the suborned insiders themselves.
    You can see that in the over-elaborate event planning. “Turn off the videos, get the regular guards out on a pretext, presumably bring in a maintenance crew, and fake an Epstein suicide, then get your people back where it’s safe” has too many moving parts; it’s not secure. You need several people to pull it off.
    This was a risky operation, and it would only be approved if something life or death for the approvers were at stake.

    Counterinsurgency

  232. Corvinus says:

    “The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans…”

    People, Giraldi’s statement here is CLASSIC CIA disinformation. His handlers give him enough breathing space so that he has to make such pronouncements.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  233. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Is it not the responsibility of the FBI to perform counterintelligence operations? I.e., to investigate people like Epstein? Would we know if the counterintelligence team were investigating? Would we ever know if they had?

  234. @lysias

    A government like that of ancient Athens, where most offices are held by average citizens …

    You may want to investigate that (idealized) claim. “Average citizens” ???

  235. Republic says:
    @Anonymous

    Lots of threads yesterday and today on 4chan/pol regarding this possibility

    plebs is the archives for 4chan

    https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/

    put epstein in the subject line

  236. TKK says:
    @Colin Wright

    Cliff Clavin, is that you?

    Dismissing someone’s comment by false equivalency simply because they have expressed an opinion about Israel that was not unhinged histrionics?

    Did you also give kids who rode the short bus wedgies?

    • Replies: @Sean
  237. “Did those instructions also come from Israel or from its friends in the U.S. Justice Department?”

    If affirmative, the answer is: probably both.

    And if the Justice Department is involved, the FBI has probably already written its final report. Thus it would not surprise if this “investigation” goes nowhere. And yet, hope springs eternal. We can only hope that since many of the girls were subjected to what amounts to statutory rape–and given the current zeitgeist–the American public still retains enough common decency to demand the unvarnished truth so that justice can be done.

    We can only hope.

  238. TKK says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes but digest this:

    In his state prosecution which was captured by the Feds, a 15 year old victim was called a prostitute.

    Epstein pled to one count of solicitation.

    In Florida, sex with a minor is a strict liability crime. They trip you up on the bar exam with this issue every year. They say things such as: defendant procured 300 notarized affidavits that the victim in his solicitation case was over the age of 18. Further, the defendant hired a private investigator to determine that the victim was over the age of 18.

    The question recites a long chain of due diligence that the defendant performed to ensure that the victim was of age to give consent to have sex. But the answer is always the same. It doesn’t matter what you do.

    If the victim is under the age of 18, she or he is INCAPABLE of consent.

    There is no defense. It’s strict liability.

    Let that sink in. Then realize that this victim was deemed a prostitute. A 15-year-old girl who is in capable of giving consent in any manner was categorized as a prostitute- that she knowingly and willingly exchanged sexual acts for goods or services.

    It’s unprecedented.

  239. @VICB3

    He was then give a drug that would simulate death – a fugu neurotoxin derivative perhaps – and told to “commit suicide” once they arranged for the guards to absent themselves.

    Not bad, but still risky.

    a) The games theory maximum reward [1] would be making the drug lethal. What if Epstein realized that and produced the pill as evidence?
    b) The method involves a non-lethal but convincing form of committing suicide. How does the handler train Epstein in the technique?
    c) And who is the handler, how does this information (and the pill) get to Epstein? His legal team? So now you have to compromise at least one of those, who might well turn you in.

    Might work, might not, so it’s risky. I suspect that whoever approved it also approved an influence plan to stop the investigation, as in the case of Hillary Clinton. As whoever it was is finding out, and may well have realized from the start, that’s risky too.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] For those who worship the great god Minimax.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @VICB3
  240. @Jeff Stryker

    Epstein “girls” were, as it seems, not of a self-destructive druggy sort. Those who sued him looked good for their age, healthy, had families (many of them),…anyway, I don’t see that Epstein “ruined their lives”. They are prime examples of how classy prostitutes would have looked like in, say, 18th or 19th C.

    Epstein’s life revolved around sex & girls. But he was an unimaginative bore re that matter, unlike, say, French author Georges Simenon (detective Maigret), who spent entire fortune on prostitutes, risky behavior & kinky sex. Epstein was, basically, a pimp for the limelight. His only peculiarity was an obsession with fringe science. His main appeal was, it seems, for so called “rich and powerful”, that they all knew they could get their sex fantasies (mostly dull Lolita massage plus extra) fulfilled through
    him. He was a pimp for moneyed geezers.

    I don’t know how rich he was & was his luxury life-style really something “real”, or basically nothing more then 2-3 houses. I remember extravagantly rich & flamboyant businessman (and arms dealer) Adnan Kashoggi who died in relatively reduced circumstances (compared with his earlier career). But- I doubt that Epstein ever came close to even 5% of Kashoggi’s wealth.

    • Replies: @refl
  241. Arnieus says:
    @iffen

    How many people would use that film as blackmail knowing that its release will land him in prison?

    No one would know where the film came from. Mossad does not concern themselves with little details like felonies.

  242. @Iris

    Although guilty of murder, Wallace ended up with a minor sentence.

    He got a suspended sentence. And later found allegedly killed in a lone car accident. But seen several years later alive in Las Vegas.

  243. Arnieus says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    sybaritic luxury

    I had to look it up but now I know what to ask for at Xmas.

    If Epstein is Mossad he is pretty high up the food chain. It might be bad for moral to abandon an agent to his fate when a few million bucks can buy his way out via fake death.

  244. Alden says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    For Gods sakes Jeff. Too many movies too many TV shows too many fantasy books about Aryan Brotherhood nazis.

    At the time Rubin was in prison the system was run by black Muslims black Guerrilla family and other black groups . The White prison population of Ca was tiny. The Hispanics were coming up and fighting for dominance with the blacks. The Aryan Brotherhood was founded in 1960 by White convicts.

    Blacks never fight one on one. It’s always 3 or more on one. Much of the time it’s not one black gets into a beef with someone and random blacks just jump in. It’s well planned. The blacks who jump in are ready and waiting.

    So the Aryan brotherhood founder said “ Why don’t we Whites do what the blacks do?” So the Whites started doing what the blacks do. It worked at least for brotherhood members. A few selected beat downs of blacks by White brotherhood men kept the blacks away from them

    IF, IF, you’d ever gone to school with blacks or lived in the slums of Detroit as you claimed you’d know that But you were sheltered in Catholic and safe White suburban schools and don’t know how blacks in confined areas like schools prisons workplaces operate

    And once again as you always do, posted nonsensical ignorance. You know nothing about California except for 2 1 week visits you know nothing about blacks or prisons or nazis in prison or prison gangs when Rubin was there you know nothing about contemporary America because you haven’t t lived here for 30 years.

    The Brotherhood is pro White and anti black. They reach out to other Whites and get along fine with the Hispanics. Rubin might have joined them if he were tough enough Maybe not.

    Have you been reading the Bangkok Jewish Journal and it’s reprints of Nazis are everywhere articles from American Jewish media?

    Live in your fantasy world. But posting them here is just futile since there’s always another commenter who can refute your fantasies.

  245. @TKK

    I am well aware that he was a sleazebag & had worked with young girls. Also, that law was basically perverted by influence of, supposedly, his powerful clients to protect him. But, I was trying to say:

    a) this was clearly a breach of US law, so he was a criminal

    b) in that segment, US law is absurdly prudish & unreal, considering sexual mores of today. Just look what the Japanese are doing, something immensely more pervy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai

    Furthermore, in a 1998 survey by the Asian Women’s Fund, researchers found that fewer than 10 percent of all high school girls engage in enjo-kōsai and over 90 percent of the girls interviewed attested to feeling uncomfortable with the exchange or purchase of sexual services for money.[5] In 2015 the United Nations Human Rights Council’s Special Rapporteur on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography estimated that 13% of minors were allegedly involved in compensated dating.

    c) white females in the US are, many of them, sexually active from 15 to 18 (blacks & Mestizos much earlier). So, most Epstein’s accusers fall within that range group- which is a crime under current US law, but this law is antiquated.

    Epstein was, in my eyes, a pimp for moneyed old farts. He was not some diabolical figure who drugged, abused, killed, blackmailed…those girls; they kept coming back & those who sued him do not look crippled, STD infested psycho-cases with destroyed lives. They are more or less healthy former “working girls”.

  246. @Iris

    Just by the fact that JE had heavy ties with Mossad and the Israelis and dual citizens who were behind 9/11 (many whom are mossad) means that there was Possibly (this is definitely in the conspiracy theory stage, but connecting the dots shows there might be some validity to it) another 9/11-like Conspiracy in the making by Israeli Intelligence groups – another False Flag to kick start the next round in ME war.

    We know that Israel is itching for USA to go to war with Iran. We know that Macron of France is a puppet for Israeli interests and JE had been there recently (staying in his French manor).

    Some of the men being linked openly with JE’s island are prominent Jews, who can’t be criticized normally but under this situation they can be called out, all of which can be at least linked to those who had ties to the 9/11 false flag.

    So, this is really A LOT bigger than just a bunch of teen girls being sexually molested by the rich. That in and of itself is wicked….

    ….But the really HUGE issue here is sending a message to Israel and all it’s operatives in USA to BACK OFF OR ELSE….they will meet the same fate as Jeffrey Epstein. And I go further in suggesting the main purpose was to Ensure there was not another 9/11 (although that part is theory….).

    Epstein was likely alive when they took him out as many of news items said he died at hospital. I’m sure the guy was taken someplace else and tortured first for more information and then killed. But if anyone deserves that it is JE types, so be it.

    • Replies: @Iris
  247. @lysias

    William Reymond. And he claimed having see the original Z film in which he could see the car driving the curb (cut in the current altered film), a shot into the sign post and the car coming to a halt when the fatal shot was fired.

  248. alexander says:
    @TKK

    It is not just unprecedented, it is a total disgrace.

    • Agree: annamaria
  249. Alden says:
    @animalogic

    Robert Maxwells estate turned out to be nothing. It all disappeared. In fact her brothers and their families were on welfare for a while.

    So Ghislaine Maxwell needed to make a living or find a man to support her. Instead of a normal job and normal man she found Epstein and became a pimp.

    She grew up an heiress and then it all disappeared.

    • Replies: @Sean
  250. Grizaby says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    merely a sex offender…

    Would have died anyway…

    I can hear it now..
    The excuses for why this was inevitable and is ok and whatever

  251. @Bardon Kaldian

    BARDON

    My understanding is that his first “victim” was 14 and roaming the roads of Miami at 1 am at night and a habitual user of ecstasy. When Epstein showed her $300 she was more than happy to enter his premises.

    And anyhow, how many of us were 18 before we lost our virginity?

    Should an 18 year old girl who is born in January go to prison because she has sex with her 17 year old boyfriend who is not 18 until May?

    • Replies: @Alden
  252. Iris says:
    @Corvinus

    Robert Maxwell’s role as “Israel’s Super-Spy” was comprehensively and convincingly documented by Gordon Thomas.

    Maxwell’s execution was carried out by Mossad because, as his business empire was crumbling, he made the mistake to blackmail them for £400 millions.

    Epstein’s obvious link to Mossad is the background of Ghislaine Maxwell, as well as her central involvement in organising and operating the blackmail paedophile ring.

    Epstein’s case was highly publicised in Europe, for many years, because of his association with the UK’s Duke of York; there never were any mention of President Trump.

    I disagree re President Trump being blackmailed by Epstein: if that would have been the case, the NeoCons wouldn’t have needed to fabricate the ludicrous RussiaGate cock-and-bull story.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
    , @freedom-cat
  253. @lysias

    No, I mean any form of government in which any person or group of persons allegedly represents or can represent an individuals interests, because this is a logic impossibility and also an economic impossibility. No person can truly represent a person’s interests as that individual can because only he/she possesses the knowledge of his/her wants and/or needs at any given moment each and every day. Total decentralization is the only logical way to avoid the inherent moral hazards that go with any kind of political representation.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  254. @Sean

    ‘…Having known this was coming, Epstein went from privacy and luxury and beautiful young women to constant discomfort and hostile observation. He was not planning to while away the rest of his life in a cell I can tell you that.’

    And I find the coincidence between the two facts that you are a determined Zionist and that you have insisted from the start that there’s nothing to the Jeffrey Epstein story suspicious.

  255. @TKK

    TKK

    What if the juvenile had a record for prostitution-as in soliciting, loitering for the purposes of prostitution…that sort of thing?

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Anon
  256. Exile says:

    While I have no problem believing that Mossad was Epstein’s primary agency, I disagree with Mr. Giraldi that CIA would have no reason to blackmail prominent Americans. Epstein’s ties with Maxwell certainly suggest a parallel career, but let’s not overlook the obvious fact that the CIA itself has long been a rogue agency just as corrupted by Globoshlomo as the FBI and the rest of the Deep State in the US and the Five Eyes states. In practical effect, Mossad could have whatever it wanted from any CIA asset given the influence Israel exercises in US politics nowadays, so perhaps this is a quibble, but anti-Noticers will seize on any weakness in counter-Senitic arguments to discredit us, so I prefer to risk being called a pedant on this.

  257. Z-man says:

    RIP? No, ‘Roast in Hell’.

  258. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    Abe “Kid Twist” Reles, a senior figure in Brooklyn’s Murder Inc

    gangsters sure looked the part in those days

    Reles on the left

    here he is with Lloyd Blankfein

  259. anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    Disagree.

    based on this statement / sentiment, @ 1:00

    “If people don’t believe in god, and people don’t have respect for the rule of law, well, what will they do? They will do what just about everyone in the third world does, which is, whatever you can get away with. If you have a reasonable chance of not getting caught and the benefits outweigh the risks, you will just go and do it.”

    + Perhaps because I spent too much time listening to Stefan & some psychologically damaged potty-mouthed female discuss Long Day’s Journey into Night, in which Stefan got the entire dynamic of “religion” in the family 180 degrees wrong, his reference to belief in god is not useful or believable.

    + The slur on the “third world” — THEY do what they can get away with, unlike the City on a Hill, that epitome of First World – rule of law that kills to get its way, and debases legal process to undermine rule of law.

    Not impressed w/ Molyneux.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  260. MLK says:
    @MLK

    I would import everyone half-intelligent to ignore Giraldi’s distraction arm-waving about the Jews. Apply some common sense.

    Whomever was powerful enough to resuscitate the “Epstein saga,” surely could have quietly suicided him in the many years before he was back in federal custody. Ergo, that wasn’t the plan.

    According to the (sketchy) official story, Epstein recklessly flew back to Teterboro Airport right when his malefactions were again in the spotlight and the subject of litigation. Apparently all of his powerful protectors low these many years must have all been on summer vacation, including Mossad to hear Giraldi tell it.

    What makes a whole lot more sense is that he was, in a word, renditioned. We even got the post-arrest photo of him looking much like Saddam (purportedly) pulled from his hiding hole by some garden-variety US soldiers.

    Once in federal custody, SDNY et. al. (e.g. the judge; Bureau of Prison officials) put Epstein in conditions ripe for him to end up dead. What does this fact set remind you of — Whitey Bulger’s demise.

    No one except me that I’m aware noticed that right after the news broke of Epstein in federal custody, Mueller delayed his long planned testimony to Congress and the real leader of the Special Counsel’s Office, Weissmann (Der Weisse Engel) quietly ran into the woods, declining to answer questions under oath. Mueller appeared after a week’s delay, long enough, apparently, for him to develop late-stage dementia.

    Epstein was put into play for a reason. His death indicates it didn’t take long for the price on his head to be paid. Be wary of coincidences, especially in timing. All hell is about to break lose — indictments; declassification; IG Report — on the criminal conspiracy to frame and destroy first candidate and then POTUS Trump. I expect no less than the Epstein set-piece from the malefactors and there will be more before we’re on the other side of this thing.

    Maybe No Profile In Courage Giraldi will find something to say about it all beside “Jews!”

  261. Sean says:
    @TKK

    Old school Federal Supermax guard explains:-

    ‘Jeffrey Epstein who is responsible for his death? The conspiracy to blame someone.’

  262. @Ronald Thomas West

    Very interesting info there.

    PS: None of any of this matters becasue they’re all “philanthropists.” 😉

  263. Exile says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The idea that AB’s control the vastly “black & tan” US prison system is laughable. There’s no culture uniting them with any other power group in that system, either on the criminal or law enforcement sides, no “Judeo-Christian” style crypsis culture, if you will, that would forge & reinforce covert loyalties hidden beneath outwardly hostile & competing interests. White prison gangs’ only power base lies with their own savagery and wits and the fact that they have the covert support of some dissident BadWhites who are themselves enemies of the System and the Blacks & Browns alike.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  264. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Marty Hart got to him!

    Or was it the Yellow King?

  265. Ahoy says:

    I don’t know Duch, but in Miro23 #200 comment I thought I heard the banker Ronald Bernard (video) saying that after the Epstein episode, in the new batch of dollars printed the All Seen Eye was shown in a new mode. In Murder We Trust and sometimes Suicide.

  266. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @renfro

    There are likely more WS and other financial figures linked to Epstein and there may have been crimes beyond underage girls such as actual sex trafficking and money laundering

    Wexner, Bronfam and Epstein all have this cavalier attitude towards money. It just seems to fall like manna from heaven on “brainy” jews who rape and peddle teenage shicksas.

    Or is it possible that all these jews are just a front for the real gangsters, who are merely one more or more levels higher in this masonic pyramid of power?

    From the mintpress series is this invitation to “B’nai B’rith’s public tribute to Roy M. Cohn at its annual State of Israel Bond dinner”.

    BOMBSHELL : TRUMP AND MURDOCH WERE HONORARY CHAIRMEN OF ZIONIST ORGANISATION THAT HONOURED ROY COHN
    On 2nd May 1983, The B’nai B’rith Banking and Finance Lodge held its annual State of Israel Bond dinner. The dinner that year was held in honour of, and in tribute to, Roy Cohn. The lodge wrote of Cohn:

    B’nai B’rith Banking and finance lodge takes special pride in according this well-deserved public tribute to Roy M. Cohn at its annual State of Israel Bond dinner

    Trump and Murdoch were “honorary chairmen” of the NY “Banking and Finance Lodge” of the Masonic B’nai B’rith (check out the pdf above, it is quite interesting). In my book this is proof that Trump and Murdoch are not only Crypto-jews, but that they are very high level Freemasons as well. I will spare the readers here the dozens of photo’s of Trump performing various Masonic handshakes.

    Here is something on B’nai B’rith:

    The B’nai B’rith was officially founded in October 1843, as part of theRothschild and British monarchy effort to establish what is today known as the Zionist movement. Founders of the B’nai B’rith, the Order of the Sons of the Covenant, in the U.S. were members of the financial heirarchy of the Rothschild circles, including the Seligmans and Dr. Kuttner Baruch from Charleston, S. C. , the father of British agent Bernard Baruch. The elder Baruch was later responsible, along with Judah Benjamin, for setting up and financing the Ku Klux Klan. The B’nai B’rith was ostensibly organized so that the Jews could have their own Freemason organization. But its real purpose was to provide the basis from which to finance the subversion of the U.S., and use the U.S. as a base for deploying these networks internationally to protect the Rothschild interests. There were over 44 Jewish organizations in the U.S. along which provided the Rothschilds their service.

    All these “Rich Jews” like Trump, Epstein, Wexler, Zuckerberg, Brin, Jamie Dimon, Blankfein, Weinstein are just depraved and perverted front man for another layer of rich depraved and perverted even richer jews.

  267. @Franklin Ryckaert

    ‘…It is in Epstein’s own interest to keep his promise to be silent, so why would they need to kill him?’

    Why would they need to bother to keep him alive? It’d be much easier and safer to kill him — and would you really want him around your own grand children?

    You’re assuming Jeffrey Epstein was a powerful player in his own right — that he actually had a huge fortune, was able to use those films for his own advancement, etc. How did he make that huge fortune? Where is it? How was he able — on his own — to film Bill Clinton, say, having illicit sex with a minor, then go to Bill and say ‘serve Israel or else?’

    Clinton would have just had him whacked. The notion that Epstein was an independent operator is if not quite impossible, not exactly supported by the facts.

    I suspect he was more like an employee — furnished with funds to engage in his activities, but delivering the fruits of his labors to his paymasters.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  268. Alden says:
    @TKK

    Thanks for the reality check from someone who knows what he or she’s talking about.

    The anonymous post by someone who claims to have worked at the MCC Friday night to Saturday morning seems real. He or she claims Epstein was taken out in the usual van used for outside trips about 4:15 am.

  269. Sean says:
    @TKK

    Except she was not 15, but two years older, and was with him until 19, which is a difficult mistake to make honestly. And once your testimony is proven to be unreliable in one detail about judge must tell the jury all your evidence is tainted. She also had a druggie boyfriend at the time. And she was a lot tighter with her family and deceived them a lot more than anyone would understand from her account. She lied to her father and was taking money for sex as a 19 year old. Her character not her consent would be the issue. The jury would be led to understand that they were making her a millionaire by convicting Epstein. Epstein’s acquittal would not have been unprecedented, Michael Jackson’s acquittal was probabally due to just such a defence strategy. Both had a lot of money, and the criminal justice system is not designed to cope with super rich defendants.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Rurik
  270. Alden says:
    @TKK

    Thank you Sir or Ma’am. It’s always nice when a real attorney, practicing the speciality, very familiar with the jurisdiction, and applicable state penal code, makes an informed comment about a legal issue.

    Instead of the usual ignorance about legal matters that clogs the comment section

  271. @Counterinsurgency

    Why was Minsky, “an ultra-high prestige Professor, a real pioneer in computer science,” involved with Epstein? Let me tell you, boys and girls: preteen pussy.

  272. Alden says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Attorneys can bring in any kind of person claiming to be a para legal, clerk , assistant to a jail or prison. If the MCC has private conference rooms which federal prisons have, Epstein’s attorneys could have brought in anyone to coach Epstein in privacy .

    I don’t think it’s legal to listen to and record attorney client conversations. A lot goes on in attorney client conference rooms in jails and prisons. A lot.

  273. Back to the simple question.

    Why do white men ever allow these people in their countries?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  274. Systemic elite kompromat shielded with arbitrary acts spanning all levels of government. Now anybody who tells you this is a democracy, or an open society, or a free country, or any of that shit, is either a mental defective or a pedo CP star in Comey’s personal Playpen stash.

    You can’t pretend we’re ever going to vote our way out of this. We’re deep in the forcible-overthrow zone. If you aspire to rights or rule of law lots of CIA vermin are going to have to be Ceaușescued.

  275. annamaria says:
    @ariadna

    Wexner and Epstein belong to Mossad:
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    [MORE]

    one key aspect of Epstein’s own sex-trafficking and blackmail operation is his ties to Israeli intelligence and his ties to the pro-Israel philanthropist faction known as “the Mega Group.”

    Epstein’s main financial patron for decades, billionaire Leslie Wexner, was a co-founder of the Mega group that unites several well-known businessmen with a penchant for pro-Israel and ethno-philanthropy. … another uniting factor among Mega Group members is deep ties to the organized crime network which was largely led by notorious American mobster Meyer Lansky [remember JFK murder?]

    The Mega Group also had close ties to two businessmen who worked for Israel’s Mossad — Robert Maxwell and Marc Rich — as well as to top Israeli politicians, including past and present prime ministers with deep ties to Israel’s intelligence community.

    One of those businessmen working for the Mossad, Robert Maxwell, was a business partner of Mega Group co-founder Charles Bronfman, aided the successful Mossad plot to plant a trapdoor in U.S.-created software that was then sold to governments and companies throughout the world.

  276. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    “I disagree re President Trump being blackmailed by Epstein: if that would have been the case, the NeoCons wouldn’t have needed to fabricate the ludicrous RussiaGate cock-and-bull story.”

    Except the RussiaGate story is other than fabricated. Trump is being blackmailed by the Mossad-Russia-Saudi Arabia cabal.

  277. Alden says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Epstein was a pimp. The girls were prostitutes. Age 14 or 44 prostitution is illegal. Procurement of sex for money is illegal.

    Laws about sex not for money with 13 to 17 year olds has nothing to do with prostitution pimping laws.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Cowboy
  278. renfro says:
    @Cowboy

    You must not be familiar with how emergency intakes to hospitals are set up.

    Hospitals have ‘garages that the emergency vans dive into’, the doors can be opened and closed only by the van ETMs . From the garage the patient is unloaded and taken into the emergency section.
    They dont just drive up to the public admittance doors of a hospital’s emergency section and carry
    a patient or body thru the waiting room lobby.

  279. KenH says:

    So it looks like Epstein was offed by “maintenance men”. AG Barr will make some noise about this but in the end he will back off, the media will pivot back to “white sooopremacism” and the FBI will do what they do best which is cover up the entire sordid mess and browbeat and shame any skeptics with promulgating “conspiracy theories”.

    So who benefitted by Epstein’s operation and who benefits by his death? It’s pretty obvious the Jew Epstein was a willing Mossad asset. Israel uber alles is in the hearts of all righteous Jews. The philandering and pedophilia of goy elites and politicians clearly gave Israel significant leverage over many movers and shakers within Western establishments. By way of blackmail thou shalt do war.

    Conspiracy theory or not I think that there’s sufficient circumstantial evidence to connect the dots about Jeffrey Epstein’s (((operation))).

    • Agree: Cucksworth
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  280. Sean says:
    @TKK

    Epstein strikes one as an individual of high cunning, a global shyster, an outlaw that power brokers played sycophant to for decades.

    It was probably by a shady tax avoidance scheme that Epstein duped Les Wexner, which is merely an another confirmation of the old adage that you can’t cheat an honest man. Epstein’s high school girl shenanigans led to Wexner divesting himself of Epstein, thereby realising what had happened to the money. In the final analisis, Epstein not only lacked cunning, but common sense.

  281. VICB3 says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    And if you don’t at least try to get him out of jail, your other agents in other operations – doubtless there are many – will begin to think twice about working for/with you. So it’s not so much about keeping Epstein happy as keeping your other agents confident, tame and loyal.

    Also, consider the Sayanim might include the guards, paramedics, et al, all of whom are there to save the day if things go a little too far South. (Per the web, with fugu you have 60 minutes to get treatment.) And at any rate, a trip to the hospital vs the morgue would be mandatory, and that takes somebody pulling strings.

    Note a fugu neurotoxin derivative is already used in some surgical situations, in addition to Botox.

    Note also that Fugo toxin is used in Voodoo ceremonies to zombies, i.e. simulation of death followed by the resurrection of the victim who is in turned convinced that he has died and now become undead slave of the shaman. (No, I’m not kidding about that. Reference “Hatian Zombie Powder.” https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/strange-creatures/zombie1.htm) The point here is that if a knowledgeable albeit primitive practitioner can work with the stuff more or less with safety and certainty – you want a “live” zombie to do your will or else there’s no point, right? – then how much more so a group of scientifically advanced medical researchers with the full support of a well funded intelligence organization.

    (It doesn’t have to be fugu. I’m just using it as a well documented what if. Who knows what they might have dreamed up.)

    Finally, consider that Epstein may very well have – note the present tense here – a data time bomb someplace, ready to go off and name names in the Mossad (or whatever) detailing the extent of the operation (and others) and for how long and with and by whom, along with a good deal of photos and videos. He dies and it all goes off. And due to the glories of the internet, it will all be out there forever. News at 11, whether you like it or not!

    So the risk as I see it is in *not* keeping him alive and happy after the operation is blown.

    The story is still playing itself out. Let’s see what happens.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
  282. refl says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    To say that he was rich does not hit the point correctly. He had been set up by those behind him. All the dubious ways of financial engineering serve for nothing more then redirecting wealth this way or that way. So his main personal quality was certainly that he could stand what he was doing.

    But still it makes one wonder how empty and boring the rulers of the world must be, if they run into such traps. Often, one tends to think that these people follow some grand evil Master Plan. Are they really just bored old men fixed on where they can rub there parts next? Passolinis “One hundred days of Sodom” come to mind.

  283. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus, you exploit your imagination whereas there are facts explaining “what Epstein was all about:” https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    Epstein appears to have ties to Israeli intelligence [Mossad] and has well-documented ties to influential Israeli politicians and the Mega Group [a nest of wealthy Israel-firsters with “deep ties to organized crime, specifically the organized crime network led by mobster Meyer Lansky” of JFK assassination fame].

    Perhaps the best illustration of how the connections between many of these players often meld together can be seen in Ronald Lauder: a Mega Group member, former member of the Reagan administration, long-time donor to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel’s Likud Party, as well as a long-time friend of Donald Trump and Roy Cohn.

    Ronald Lauder was a procurer of Austrian passport for Epstein. The procurement was an illegal operation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  284. Questore says:

    MSM (((narrative))) seems to be that Epstein’s shocking crime is killing himself to deny justice to his “victims”.

  285. But still it makes one wonder how empty and boring the rulers of the world must be, if they run into such traps.

    Yeah.

    Often, one tends to think that these people follow some grand evil Master Plan.

    No such thing.

    Are they really just bored old men fixed on where they can rub there parts next? Passolinis “One hundred days of Sodom” come to mind.

    I barely remember, but I think it was about some Fascist S &M fantasy based on Sade. Epstein customers, on the other hand, were bland by comparison- massage & ordinary sex. Too normal, I’d say. And mediocre.

    • Replies: @Sean
  286. Alden says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    How many times do I have to post this before you morons understand that prostitution is a crime whether the prostitute, customer and procurer are 14 or 44.??????

    Not for money sex, lets call it gratuitous sex with 13 to 17 year olds is a completely different thing and covered by completely different laws.

    Even worse are the retard idiots who keep claiming that Epstein and his customers were pedophiles.
    Sex with 13 to 17 year olds for money or lust is not pedophilia.
    Sex with children 12 and under is pedophilia

    At least you know the difference between pedophilia and sex with minors.

    But you don’t know the difference between prostitution and not for money sex.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @anonymous
    , @renfro
    , @Sean
  287. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Don’t deviate, “Bardon Kaldian.” Epstein was (is?) a high-value operative for Mossad, who used, sexually, the underage girls for a dirty business of blackmailing powerful people into complacency with the Jewish State’ crimes. http://www.infomaniacsworld.com/jfk-meyer-lansky.html

    In case you are not aware, your posts point toward a troubled childhood that has screwed your understanding of the norms of morality.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  288. JRB says: • Website
    @anastasia

    That depends of course on which faction of the deep state has taken him out of prison, there seem to be at least two. maybe more.

  289. neprof says:
    @ariadna

    I agree, he’s not dead.

    The worst outcome for the deep-state would be to lose all the blackmail material gathered by Epstein the past three decades. Epstein can’t testify, but all those videos are still had by those that control the puppet strings.

  290. @Alden

    No doubt about that. But crimes are not equal. To steal a car is not the same thing as home invasion & murder.

    A pimp is a criminal. But, here is a pimp who did not beat his girls, who didn’t drug or torture them, who paid them lavishly, and I don’t see they were horribly scared or chased or murdered after leaving.
    And many street pimps beat the hell out of them, exploit them beyond belief & frequently destroy their health & everything.

    All pimps are criminals. But not all criminals are the same.

  291. annamaria says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Jeff Stryker is an American porn star who has starred in bisexual, gay, and straight adult films.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Stryker

    — Why are you loitering this forum with your obscene ideas about underage girls? To white-wash the “victimized” Jeff E.?

    • Agree: Alden
    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Republic
  292. @Grizaby

    Evidently you can’t read. It said Clinton and the rest of his clients. Trump is owned by Israel but that doesn’t mean he was part of Epstein’s inner circle like the Clintons were. You have no clue to what you are talking about. If Trump was part of it he will be had. Look at the bull they tried to run by the American people with Mueller investigation.

    Epstein was a major player in the espionage industry which consisted of Israel running the system with likes of British Intelligence along with the CIA. This stuff is as old as warfare itself. Epstein survived because all these agencies and the Magic Jews with their money protected him. The US court system protected him as well as the FBI and Mueller. The Mueller investigation was just another smoke and mirror diversion for Israel and the CIA to use ISIS as a proxy army to expand Israel’s borders while for two years the Jew Controlled Media ran 24 hours a day the Russians influenced our election. Unfortunately, some of us know that Jews, Soros and Adelson own both the Democrats and the Republicans and control our elections.

    There is nothing partisan here. If you knew anything about Israel you would know that they have been “importing” girls from the Balkins and other places for their sex industry for years which has been covered up. Whenever there is human trafficking, porn, sex slavery, organ harvesting, and espionage using such domains you will find Israel. For some reason Giraldi seems ignorant of such things.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Skeptikal
  293. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Alden

    What about the IRS? The dog that never barked at Epstein, or Clinton, or Wexler, Bronfam, or …….

  294. Iris says:
    @freedom-cat

    ….But the really HUGE issue here is sending a message to Israel and all it’s operatives in USA to BACK OFF OR ELSE….

    Indeed, this could well be the real reason of Epstein’s indictment, with the ultimate goal of preventing subversion operations.

    Ongoing Israeli subversion operations can be anything, from another RussiaGate to hinder President Trump’s re-election campaign, to a false flag dragging the US into a war with Iran. Time will tell.
    President Trump has re-tweeted Epstein conspiracy theories accusing the Clintons of his “suicide”:

    https://crooksandliars.com/2019/08/trump-retweets-clinton-conspiracy-theories

    Over the coming week, it will be very interesting to monitor the evolution of current showdown in the Strait of Hormuz.

  295. renfro says:

    People have asked why Epstein would have returned to the US knowing he would be arrested.
    That is a key question if you want to get examine conspiracy theories.

    Is it as simple as did he think having beat the system once he could do it again?
    Was he in contact with his attorney(s) before he returned?
    Did his attorney urge him to return?
    Did he think he would be safer in the US than taken by foreign authorities?
    Or did he think he would be safer from being whacked abroad by some of his former ‘associates’ if he was in the US?
    He had the money to stay comfortably in some country with no extradition agreement with the US so why didn’t he?
    Did he makes inquiries to Israel about going there and was rejected or was he afraid of going to Israel and being whacked there?

    For all the interest in the death of Epstein some reporters should be investigating why he came back. And the still unanswered question of Who told Acosta that Epstein was ‘intelligence’……which is the dog that didnt bark..

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @JimDandy
  296. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Alden

    Puberty is not binary, and different races and individuals will go through it at different speeds and different ways.

    Perhaps in your tunnel vision US legal system brahma style arrogance, 13 year old = ready for sex. I would suggest that it is not quite that simple, and who cares what anyone involved with the farce of US “justice” has to say anyway?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Twodees Partain
  297. Alden says:
    @Iris

    Gordon Thomas’ laid out the scenario of how the Mossad killed Maxwell. Maxwell was told to bring his yacht to a certain place in the Mediterranean. On a certain date he was to wait at a certain place at the railing around 3/am. Israelis would arrive in a small silent boat climb aboard his yacht and they’d discuss Maxwell’s demands. It was one of the few places on his yacht not covered by cameras

    Instead the Israelis climbed aboard killed him, and dumped him in the sea.

    The location was well out of Spanish waters thus ensuring only Israelis would deal with the body.

    That’s Thomas’ theory.

    Others claim that Israel gave Maxwell the money to but the newspaper chain. The pension money he looted went straight to Israel.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Sean
  298. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    Oh, poor victimized Jeff and these bad-bad girls. Sean comes to rescue!
    Well, if Sean is so mindful about the age of the girls, here is a morsel of information to provide food for Sean’s thoughts: “Jeffrey Epstein searched for two EIGHT-YEAR-OLD girls to sexually abuse after enlisting the help of fixer pal, court docs suggest” https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9622107/jeffrey-epstein-eight-year-old-girls-sexually-abuse/

    Messages left for the billionaire and convicted paedophile [Jeffrey Epstein] by friend Jean-Luc Brunel, himself the subject of abuse allegations, describe a female “2 x 8 years old” willing to give “Russian lessons”.

  299. Svevlad says:

    2 options:

    1. Epstein knew what was coming, made a suicide attempt to be put on watch, hoping it would prevent anything suspicious.

    2. He got extracted out – the pictures indicate the body is someone that looks like him, but isn’t. In that case, he’s probably in another country already.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
    , @freedom-cat
  300. Zumbuddi says:

    What is the relationship of the Epstein Arkancide and the 2 white supremacist shootings w/ their clockwork calls for Background checks and more “mental health” workers, especially in US schools.

    Total information control
    Total mind control

  301. Rurik says:
    @Sean

    Both had a lot of money, and the criminal justice system is not designed to cope with super rich defendants.

    …with ties to Ehud Barak (of 9/11 fame).

    US Attorney Acosta was told to “back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade.” “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’.

    Which begs the question.. who told him that?

    We can always discover where the rot meets the road by the thunderous silence when it comes to asking certain questions.

    Who provided the script to Fox News and the BBC for the story of building seven’s collapse?

    Nobody has any interest in knowing — this is where the rot meets the road.

    Who told Acosta to lay off of Epstein? — this is where the rot meets the road.

    It’s always the crickets who inform us, more than a thousand “journalists” and “reporters” who know where the rot meets the road, and when to stop asking questions.

    For instance, how did Epstein hang himself?

    By what means was he able to do this? How was he found?

    The only thing they’re telling us is that ” Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell..”

    And that he had been taken off suicide watch.

    And so the rest of us, by dint of the avalanche of unasked questions, are supposed to have trust in the authorities to get to the bottom of it. If we’re told he hanged himself, it’s not up to us, and certainly not the job of ‘journalists or reporters’ to worry about things like – how, exactly did he hang himself?

    How was he found? I guess asking such questions would be ‘beyond the Pale’.

    He was found ‘unresponsive in his cell. Oh, Ok. Wasn’t he on suicide watch? No, he had been taken off suicide watch. Oh, what about cameras? ‘The cameras malfunctioned during his ‘suicide’.

    Ok, we have no more questions. We’re satisfied that the FBI is going to “investigate”.

    Reminds me of the Las Vegas shooting, and how they couldn’t discover a motive. The length and breath of our vaunted FBI and all that NSA surveillance that knows when you’re going to fart before even you do, but they can’t discover a motive for Las Vegas.

    Michael Hastings was simply driving too fast. Case closed.

    Jorg Haider was simply driving too fast.

    Seth Rich died in a ‘robbery’ (where his wallet and expensive watch were not taken).

    Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself in the head – twice.

    If you’re a professional whornalist, you’re satisfied with these conclusions.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
    • Replies: @Paw
    , @J. Gutierrez
  302. anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Even worse are the retard idiots who keep claiming that Epstein and his customers were pedophiles.
    Sex with 13 to 17 year olds for money or lust is not pedophilia.
    Sex with children 12 and under is pedophilia

    Are you saying Pennsylvania Atty Gen Josh Shapiro is a “retard idiot?”

    https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/taking-action/press-releases/attorney-general-shapiro-details-findings-of-2-year-grand-jury-investigation-into-child-sex-abuse-by-catholic-priests-in-six-pennsylvania-dioceses/

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  303. @Iris

    The Neo-cons wouldn’t have blackmailed trump with the Epstein situation because most likely the Neo-cons were all at that Island themselves and would not have wanted to call attention to it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  304. @annamaria

    Typical female ad hominem fantasy projection.

    For what is worth- there is no reliable Mossad connection (not that they are “good/evil guys” or anything similar), but simply no proof for any interference on their side. It would be interesting to see if they were- for instance, they certainly are behind assassination of a Palestinian rocket scientist somewhere in the east (Indonesia? Malaysia?) a few months ago. But with Epstein- there is no serious case for their involvement.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  305. Sean says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Epstein was charged and had sexual contact with under age girls who could be more easily numbered than named. Not a single one of the allegedly existent customers of Epstein were charged. In fact the accusation by the girls is he gave them to his friends and even random visitors to his mansion. The prosecutors charged Epstein with trafficking because that would get him life, NOT because he was actually guilty of that by being any kind of pimp. Don’t take everything so literally.

  306. Rurik says:
    @renfro

    And the still unanswered question of Who told Acosta that Epstein was ‘intelligence’……which is the dog that didnt bark..

    yep

    and another is how did he hang himself?

  307. Alden says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I know all about black street pimps and the teen girls they torture and murder.

    You’re just trying to obfuscate the issue which is

    Procuring is against the law and Epstein was a procurer.

    Like many, you probably have the fantasy of pampered happy escort girls making a lot of money and living happily ever after don’t you?

    A lot of the escort girls get only cash tips from the customers. Some of the agencies keep all the fees paid for with credit cards. Almost all the escort agencies cheat the girls when it’s time to pay them. The credit card companies haven’t paid the escort agency yet. The 60 40 split is suddenly 70 for the agency 30 for the girls.

    Suddenly the agency closes phones canceled and the girls who are owed a months pay are out of luck as the pimps go off with all the money.

    Some agencies don’t really screen clients or provide body guards and the girls get beaten and robbed . Many of the drivers and appointment makers sell drugs to the escort girls.

    Hard to figure exactly your point. It appears you’re claiming Epstein treated his prostitutes better than the blacks do. True

    But his blackmail financial fraud money laundering his financial services firm that did no trading buying selling and investing are far worse crimes than running an escort service.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  308. Iris says:
    @Alden

    That’s Thomas’ theory.

    Not Thomas’, and not a “theory”

    Mossad killed Maxwell by injecting him with a nerve agent and dumping him to sea.
    This was reported to Gordon Thomas by none less than famous Mossad super-spy Victor Ostrovsky:
    “On that cold night Mossad’s problems with Robert Maxwell were over.”

    The incontrovertible facts about his murder were contained in autopsy reports by Britain’s then-leading forensic pathologist Dr Iain West and Israel State Pathologist Dr Yehuda Hiss, documents of which Thomas had copies, confirming the circumstances of Maxwell’s death.

  309. Alden says:
    @anonymous

    If the boys were under 12 the crime was pedophilia. If the boys were 13 to 17 the crime was sex with minors.

    Only retard idiots like you who can’t read a dictionary claim sex with teens is pedophilia.

    Different laws different crimes.

  310. @Svevlad

    I’m hoping that an element within our intelligence services did the right thing and Offed him to send a loud and clear message to the rest of the tribal members involved in false flags against USA and world. Obviously, JE was a very high ranking mossad agent who had strong ties with ALL the Israelis and Americans who did 9/11.

  311. Sean says:
    @Alden

    Or her father turned out to be an absolute bastard, so of course she fell for someone just like him.

  312. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    The fact is that Epstein was whacked because he knew too much. Trump is in the know by way of Dershowitz.

  313. @Svevlad

    I examined the pics closely and it appears to be him. They had one of those neck braces on him too. The pictures could have been from his “first suicide” attempt.

    I’m leaning more that he was taken out by some layer within the US deep state, to send a strong message to the Jewish Power Structure to Not start another 9/11 type false flag, or something else really huge we do not know about.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  314. Walter says:

    I have JPEG copy of facebook post 8/10/19 07:44:55 from “Anonymous” (presumably a guard at MMC. He wrote that a transport van arrived about midnight or early morning passed through with a green-uniformed military man inside. Releases are not done on weekends. Van not checked in and no record made of license plate (obviously cameras were off). Van not checked out. Post ends with this quote: “I think they switched him out.”

    the numeric *222520257* appears on the post.

    Isn’t it obvious? He’s probably being de-briefed right now somewhere in an un-named middle eastern state. Possibly Tel Aviv is in that state…

    We are being played, this is what any carnie would recognize as “the old army game”.

    A spy pimp running a whorehouse specialized in this sort of context would obviously have built a dead-man switch…

    They rescued their spy-pimp. Very loyal.

  315. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @freedom-cat

    Except Trump did know and himself is being blackmailed by a three-headed monster–Israel, Russia, and Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, Epstein himself drew attention to it. Mossad understood that this would get out into the public.

  316. Rurik says:
    @Bill Jones

    Why do white men ever allow these people in their countries?

    because white men are far, far too often venal, rotten cock-sucking POS.

    Lindsey Graham is a white man.

    John McCain was a white man.

    Bill Clinton is a white man.

    The Bush crime family, Dick Cheney, Warren Buffet, all those rats in Obama’s FBI and CIA. Brennan, Clapper, Comey – white scum all. The list seems endless. The Vatican, the evangelicals; rats all.

    Every rotten sack of shit white man sitting in our US congress or on the board of Genie Energy or CFR or PNAC or the endless list of treacherous, avaricious, treasonous scum who’re also white men, are the reason the borders were opened to every sewer rat on the planet with some shekels to spread around.

    Take a look some day at the white men at your local Chamber of Commerce. Howling for open borders, and demonizing any sane white man who wonders at the wisdom of massive and transformational Third World immigration.

    It will be overwhelmingly white men who dutifully cook the books and facilitate the cover up of Epstein’s fate.

    Just like it was white men who carried out the Ruby Ridge massacre. Or the Waco massacre.

    It seems like if you just give white men enough slop in the trough, they’d sell their children into slavery.

    Which is exactly what they’re doing today with the national debt. Selling their children into abased slavery, in order to have some more money to spend, today. Weeeeeee!

  317. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @niteranger

    Actually, the Mueller investigation is right on the mark with Trump’s financial dealings with Israel, Russia, and Saudi Arabia. Epstein is involved here as well. The dots are being connected as we speak.

  318. Jeffrey Epstein, RII>Rest in Israel. Guards did not make their mandated rounds, twice. The camera monitoring his cell strangely did not record. And though he was suicidal, he was not on Suicide Watch.

    I would bet he is humping a pre-pubescent female victim as I write this.

  319. Alden says:
    @Cowboy

    It’s the law moron

    Pedophilia 12 and under. Sex with minors 13 to 17 depending on the state. Another thing I know and you don’t moron is that the penalties for sex with 13 and 14 year olds are as strict as sex with 12 and under children.

    I didn’t make the law. If you don’t approve of the age of consent IN YOUR PARTICULAR STATE become a non profit grifter and lobby to change the ages to older or younger.

    I’m not on a pedophilia or sex with minors jury where my opinion might matter. Im not a NAMBLA attorney arguing for the rights of boy teens and children to haves anal sex with grown gay men . I’m not a state legislator in a position to change the law.

    So don’t argue about the different age of consent laws in 50 states and several territories with me I didn’t make those laws, I don’t enforce them and I neither prosecute nor defend those accused of violating those laws.

    Feel free to lobby your own state to change the law if you feel so strongly.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  320. @freedom-cat

    ‘Obviously, JE was a very high ranking mossad agent who had strong ties with ALL the Israelis and Americans who did 9/11.’

    If he was all that high-ranking, the Israelis must have been in desperate straits to find it necessary to kill him. You hang a Zygier to keep him from testifying in open court; Ariel Sharon, you arrange for an acquittal.

    I could easily be wrong; but I suspect Epstein was more in the nature of an employee. The job certainly had its perks; but he did as he was told and got given the funds to do it. Watch for the mysteriously evanescent estate.

  321. Rurik says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    there is no reliable Mossad connection

    bullshit

    Ghislaine Maxwell, for starters…

  322. @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon Kaldian: “But, here is a pimp who did not beat his girls, who didn’t drug or torture them, who paid them lavishly, and I don’t see they were horribly scared or chased or murdered after leaving.
    And many street pimps beat the hell out of them, exploit them beyond belief & frequently destroy their health & everything.”

    How do you know they were pampered and “paid lavishly”? You were there, or one of your dear, closely held friends relayed this to you?

    Are you on drugs? Do you take the readership here for being nincompoops with no discernible intelligence?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  323. renfro says:
    @Alden

    Even worse are the retard idiots who keep claiming that Epstein and his customers were pedophiles.
    Sex with 13 to 17 year olds for money or lust is not pedophilia.
    Sex with children 12 and under is pedophilia

    Wrong. Pedophiles seek sex with underage children whether ‘paid for’ or ‘not’.
    ‘Underage’ varies by state statutes. 15 is the usual age.
    Being sexually attracted to a 13 year old prostitute as opposed to 18 year old prostitute is pedophilia.

    Pedophilia is classified as a mental disease ….and its not curable. It is treated in most cases with drugs that erase the sex drive. If a pedophile stops taking the drug he will resume preying on children.

    So says my sister in law who is a psychiatrist on staff with a major hospital who has seen a few although she treats mainly children, among whom have been a few victims of pedophiles..
    Pedophiles, like mentally deranged serial killers do know ‘right from wrong’ ,that is why they hide it….they should be treated criminally the same way other offenders are.

  324. Sean says:
    @Alden

    https://reason.com/2019/06/03/kamala-harris-is-a-cop-who-wants-to-be-president/Harris&#8217; attitude on these issues seems to stem from early in her career. In the ’90s, she worked closely with nonprofits and fellow city officials on several anti–domestic violence campaigns. In 2003, when she was first running for D.A., coalitions “built up around issues of domestic violence and juvenile prostitution” were “central to the Harris campaign effort,” the San Francisco Examiner noted at the time.

    In the late ’90s and early ’00s, many groups concerned about domestic violence began shifting their focus to “human trafficking.” Soon, Harris started pushing for a law to make human trafficking a crime in California. This was largely redundant: Forcing others into labor or sex was already illegal under a host of state laws. Still, the new legislation, enacted in 2006, was at least nominally concerned with coerced labor. When it passed, “detectives dramatically stepped up their investigations, helped by federal grants aimed at finding trafficking rings,” the Los Angeles Times noted in 2006. Police forces received money for training officers, buying “sophisticated surveillance equipment,” and paying informants.

    These federal-local police partnerships to “fight trafficking” were mainly used in undercover prostitution stings, with the bulk of arrests focused on sex workers themselves or their customers. Contrary to the stated purpose of the law, prosecutions and convictions for actual human trafficking were rare. But as the moral panic around what Harris called “modern slavery” heated up, she would join a coalition demanding that Craigslist, Backpage, and other classified-advertising sites and web forums that host user-generated ads be blamed and punished.

    Harris was sworn in as state attorney general in 2011, just as calls to “end demand” for prostitution were getting a turbocharge from celebrity campaigns, federal funding, and a few motivated ideologues. In 2013, Harris joined 46 other state attorneys general in asking Congress to amend Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, a measure the Electronic Frontier Foundation calls “the most important law protecting free speech on the Internet.”.

    Prosecutors originally tried to charge Epstein with one of these new crimes, “grooming”, but he had not used the internet. You don’t know cops and prosecutors if you don’t understand that Epstein could be charged with trafficking while still being just a John. And he could get out of it because he had money, although his money had been embezzled from a slightly senile billionaire. Epstein was just a con man and degenerate. Nothing to see here.

    • Replies: @Alden
  325. @Sean

    ‘Epstein was charged and had sexual contact with under age girls who could be more easily numbered than named. Not a single one of the allegedly existent customers of Epstein were charged. In fact the accusation by the girls is he gave them to his friends and even random visitors to his mansion. The prosecutors charged Epstein with trafficking because that would get him life, NOT because he was actually guilty of that by being any kind of pimp. Don’t take everything so literally.’

    Seriously. If you’re trying to protect Israel, minimizing Epstein’s criminality is counter-productive.

    If I were an amateur Hasbarista, I’d profess horror at Epstein’s repulsive behavior while focusing on denying all ties between him and Mossad.

    ‘Awful…awful…nothing to do with Israel.’ Watch what happens if a pro weighs in. That’ll be his tack.

  326. @Rurik

    ‘…because white men are far, far too often venal, rotten cock-sucking POS.’

    But as opposed to whom?

    You need to look at — say — some accounts of infant rape in South Africa.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  327. @Ron Unz

    Written as an engineer, Ron. I love the irony. What is it that keeps people from thinking the most vicious, vile, psychopathic criminal has limits on what he would do for leverage?

    In this case, presuppose that the cops were all good, virtuous men. Their wives are approached and told that their children will be killed in front of them unless their husbands carry out new instructions.

    This would probably work every time without exception. In this context, the police are playing by the rules of a pugilistic enterprise. The Other Side has no rules, no morality, no limits, no nothing. Whom do you think is going to win?

  328. @Alden

    It seems we have come to an impasse (you trying to impute me agenda I don’t have). So, let’s see where we agree & disagree.

    1. we agree that Epstein was a criminal (procurer), sleazebag & probably someone involved in other criminal activities, perhaps money laundering. Essentially, he was a highly functioning psychopath.

    2. where we seem to disagree is this: you, I’d say, think I’m romanticizing escort world & high level prostitution. Not at all. Crucial difference is that my view of human, and female nature in particular, is much darker: it is not a coincidence that top female erotic fantasies include rape, submission, exhibitionism, prostitution, group sex & bondage. In other words, non-negligible part of females would go into world of prostitution & degradation, even if there was no economic & social necessity for that, like those existing in many 3rd world countries.

    With a few exceptions, female erotic mindset is not more mature when they’re 35 in comparison when they’re 15. Prostitutes are as ineradicable as are thieves. Or, in other words: soft patriarchy is the only way of sustaining functioning societies because, if in charge, females would ruin any society.

    That said, I utterly despise all this world of prostitution, johns, sex addiction & slavery to “lower part of nature”. But, I’m not blind to life’s realities. Why do you think Muslim women don’t show any real wish to get emancipated? Why do you think liberal Western women are so pro-immigration & so silent about rapes by turd worlders?

    The answer is obvious.

  329. peterAUS says:
    @freedom-cat

    We are witnessing the effects of a Huge psychological battle between powerful elite groups.
    Lots of possibilities here.

    Pretty much.
    Same thing since the time of the first kings.

    The only difference is…….haha…..” informed”, “educated” and “interested” public.
    Just funny.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  330. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘…All pimps are criminals. But not all criminals are the same.’

    Indeed. Some grow up in circumstances at least as dreadful as those of their victims, and while they indeed need to be locked up, are to be pitied as well.

    Others have been given perfectly decent lives, and are even affluent — and yet still commit acts of depravity and cruelty.

    These I have no sympathy for at all. Who is worse: the person who has never known a decent life, or the person who has been offered it, but prefers moral depravity?

    Jeffrey Epstein enjoyed chewing up unfortunate children and spitting them out like sunflower husks when he was done. There was nothing keeping him from being a reasonably decent, moral man.

  331. schrub says:

    What might appear to some to be a insignificant fact makes me uneasy about William Barr’s ability to investigate Epstein.

    Barr’s father Donald was once headmaster of probably America’s toniest non residential school: The Dalton School in New York city.

    Epstein was given a teaching position there by William Barr’s father despite having dropped out of college. For those who don’t know, Dalton usually insists on at least a master’s degree for employment and many of its employees have doctorates. (It follows because Dalton pays its teachers better than many universities do their profressors) The very few exception that have been made to this requirement have only applied to “artistic types”. (Epstein taught only mathmatics and physics).

    This was rather revealing event reported in a UK newspaer about Dalton years ago.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7243821/Students-New-Yorks-Dalton-School-recall-Jeffrey-Epstein-hired-teacher-1970s.html

    It would have been inconceivable for Barr’s father to have given the academically unqualified Epstein his teaching position under normal situation. Someone must have contacted Barr’s father Donald and insisted that Epstein be given the position despite his notable lack of qualifications. Epstein, the college dropout, couldn’t even have qualified for a credential to teach in the lowiest of NYC’s ghetto public school without a state credential which would have required that an applicant at a minimum have graduated from college.

    Barr’s father went very much out on a limb with this appointment of Epstein and it must have been done either without the board of directors’ knowledge or someone must claimed that Epstein did in fact have a college degree (Donald Barr?). Schools like Dalton always VERY carefully check a potential employee’s educational record but this apparently wasn’t done in this case. Why did Donald Barr take this risk and cover for Epstein?

    The request for Epstein to be employed as a teacher at Dalton had to have come from someone VERY high up in the foodchain. There is no other reason why Barr’s father would have made the very risky decision to hire such an unqualified individual.

    Then check out this other very odd student pedo placement at Dalton:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5817639/Ex-head-prestigious-Dalton-School-accused-abuse-80s.html

    The wikipedia entry for Donald Barr has been scrubbed and doesn’t even mention his employment at Dalton. It does however mention that he was in the OSS during the War. (the OSS was the predecessor to the CIA).

    • Replies: @Alden
  332. @Poupon Marx

    I forgot: this place is full of retards.

    What is public shows that, in their own words, they kept coming to him without any coercion & they don’t, now, live live of destroyed existences. Girls gone wild, too happy to provide.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Alden
  333. Alden says:
    @anonymous

    You’re the retard idiot who is too retarded to understand the definition of the word pedophilia which means sex with children 12 and under.

    None of Epstein’s girls have claimed they were 12 or younger when they had sex with them. Therefore it would have been sex with minors. But it wasn’t just sex with minors. He pled to soliciting for prostitution.

    Prostitution procuring a prostitute for a customer paying a prostitute soliciting as either a prostitute or customer is a completely different crime.

    Pedophilia sex with child 12 and under
    Sex with 13 to 17 year olds no money exchanged is sex with minors.
    Sex in exchange for money is prostitution whatever the age of the prostitute.

    If you can’t understand the difference you are indeed a retarded moron.

  334. Skeptikal says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Just read in a review of a Maxwell bio that it is thought that Maxwell thought he was headed for a pickup of some cash he needed to cure his financial woes (that is the speculation of the bio’s authors, Gordon Thomas and someone else). Instead some Israeli ninjas boarded his vessel, gave him a shot of something hehind the ear that took him out, and dumped him overboard. This story, if true—even if not true—lends a certain piquance to the grand guignol of the state funeral. Ghislaine may have known or suspected the truth. She hit the grits for NY—that is, left Israel. If I understand the story correctly. In one sense this all sounds kind of weirdly sad, because that girl is obviously effed up bad from the get-go, and one can’t help wondering on what terms Zion owns her.

  335. Sean says:
    @Alden

    Michael Jackson had a song in which he called Jews kikes, used jew as a animadverting verb for shyster lawyers and every Jew knew that and also that Jackson was recorded in a private phone call calling them vampires who drain artists. Yet Michael Jackson was then acquited of child molestation.

    • Replies: @Alden
  336. Rurik says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    But, here is a pimp who did not beat his girls, who didn’t drug or torture them, who paid them lavishly, and I don’t see they were horribly scared or chased or murdered after leaving.

    he sought girls as young as eight

    You should see if Jerry Sandusky needs legal help. I hear he’s seeking a new trial and reduced prison sentence. You could advocate on his behalf, and tell the judge how Jerry didn’t beat the little boys, or drug them and that he didn’t even murder them when he was done with them.

    I mean some crimes are bad, sure – but we shouldn’t be too hard on men whose appetites tend towards slightly younger partners, no?

  337. peterAUS says:
    @refl

    But that is so poor of a legacy, that one wonders, what sort of creatures the world of the rich and famous is else composed of?

    Let’s put it this way: exactly what “we” are, just ENHANCED and a lot.

    What in hell hinders them from asigning the task to someone who in his personal life can expose something of a more impressive character?

    Nothing. We are just witnessing an element in an eternal game of power.

    But can’t they put up a little bit of effort to give us, the unwashed masses the impression that they know to spend their time on things more enviable then rubbing their sexual organs somewhere?

    Why would they?
    What do “we” do to earn, or deserve that? Or force them to do that? Even scare them. Just make them concerned?
    Nothing.

    You have touched some fundamental questions, of course. This isn’t the place to have them answered.
    Or…hehe….I am not smart enough to answer them.

    You are, in essence, I think, looking for noblesse oblige.
    They, maybe, are looking for decent masses.

    Decent masses in the post-modern, consumer society?!
    90% of spare time/access to information is used for entertainment and shopping.

    Good times make weak men.
    Weak men make hard times.
    Here we are.

  338. @Sean

    In fact the accusation by the girls is he gave them to his friends and even random visitors to his mansion.

    Weird. Who they were, his zombie personal property so he could “give them”? No personal will on their side?

    As I see it, they were girls, both above & below 18, who were seduced by lavish life-style & were not bound by any personal strict morality, family ties or anything similar. Are we to believe that 15 or 16 years old girls were so clueless about life they would not even think they live, eat, sleep…in a grown man’s mansions without even a hint of giving, eh, something “in exchange”?

    Are we to believe that those 15, 16, 17..years old girls were not human females, with female sexual desires, ideas, projections & plans? That these girls did not have sexual feelings or were totally clueless about them, like, say, about quantum algebra? That there was not a suspicion on their side that something of a sexual nature was bound to happen, sooner or later?

    I mean…. this world is full of idiots.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Alden
    , @annamaria
  339. Skeptikal says:
    @Cowboy

    I think the face is Epstein’s. But there is no body.
    There are no feet, there are just folded textiles.
    Also, where the FDNY fellow in the middle is standing, the rail of the gurney would run through him.
    Back to Photoshop 101!!

    And I am not even an expert at spotting Photoshop fails (as many are).

  340. @Goy

    Your naivety is so ungainly that I have to believe you never stopped wearing diapers. The certainty and palaver of your wordy post that meanders to the arroyo is boring and very likely duplicitous.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  341. @freedom-cat

    I’m hoping that an element within our intelligence services did the right thing and Offed him to send a loud and clear message to the rest of the tribal members involved in false flags against USA and world. Obviously, JE was a very high ranking mossad agent who had strong ties with ALL the Israelis and Americans who did 9/11.

    The primary mission of intelligence agencies is self-preservation, and that means co-operation with other nation’s intelligence agencies whenever possible.

    As a practical matter it is highly likely that both Israeli and US Intelligence agencies had access to the Epstein blackmail materials to use as they wish.

    (…and, as a practical matter it is highly likely that both Israeli and US Intelligence agencies were behind 911, the Kennedy assassinations, etc etc etc)

    They are on one team, and those outside the intelligence “community” are on the other team.

  342. Alden says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t want to hear about your sexual fantasies of haram girls or whatever they are. There are other sites for that.

  343. @peterAUS

    To freedom-cat, peterAuS said: “The only difference is…….haha…..” informed”, “educated” and “interested” public.
    Just funny.”

    Linked below is an unjust funny cartoon, featuring a Trump/Bill Clinton discussion which covered their mutual bonding with Epstein.

    As satire (mockery) worked fairly well against USSR rulers, it also works here in ZUSA barooms and donut shops. 😏

  344. @Bardon Kaldian

    Head injury?? Brain tumor?? Sure BK, I believe all third hand sources, too, like the Jew Yawk Slimes, The Washingtongue Compost, The Atlantic, and other unimpeachable sources owned outright or leveraged by the Tribe.

    Slink off, now.

  345. Rurik says:
    @Colin Wright

    But as opposed to whom?

    Jews, for instance.

    Jews generally care about other Jews.

    Or blacks. Blacks care about other blacks.

    The other day I saw Louis Farrakhan with some Christian preachers, and it was a love-fest.

    They all have each other’s backs.

    Consider Ruby Ridge or Waco.

    How many Jews do you know who’d be willing to suit up and lock and load in order to commit an assault on a Jewish compound – in violation of some obscure gun laws, and shoot Jewish women and children, or burn them all alive, respectively? Like the white guys in the FBI and the US Marshals did to white men, women and children.

    How many black men would be willing to condemn Farrakhan for his ‘racism’ or ‘anti-Semitism’?

    Perhaps a few, if any.

    But look at the white men clamoring to condemn those white guys protesting the removal of all Confederate statues from their city squares.

    Look at all the white guys today condemning ‘white supremacism” or “white nationalism”, when any idiot can see that such movements are nothing more than sanity in the face of looming minority status, and all that would mean.

    Even more sickening are the white men who condemn “white nationalism” while frothing their sniveling, abased devotion to Zionism.

    I don’t think there’s anything more revoltingly nauseating than a white guy who condemns the men of his own race for simply wanting to persevere as such, while out of the other side of his rotten, venal face he lavishes praise upon ‘Bibi, and our sacred “Judeo-Christian’ values.

    And I’ll tell you, there are simply waaaayyyyyy!!!!! too many of these sacks of cowardly shit everywhere I look in the Western world today.

  346. Skeptikal says:
    @freedom-cat

    “It looks like an indirect hit at the Jewish Power Structure. ”

    This was one of my speculations.
    Or one of them. But anyone trying to hit the Jewish Power Structure, I should think, would want Epstein alive.

    Some people have speculated Epstein is alive, in a witness protection program.

    But who with any power would want to protect him and his info?
    The “usual suspects” are over the moon that he is (supposedly) dead.

    The only people who would want to protect Epstein qua witness would be people who want to aim a spear at the heart of the currently ruling elite and its Zionist masters.

    Who are those people? Do they have the power to bring Epstein, or someone, to trial where Epstein’s secrets could bring down Do they exist? I have no idea.

  347. peterAUS says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    I truly hope this event further contributes to individuals recognizing the state is the enemy of the people and their blind faith in it is misplaced and destructive to a healthy, wealthy society.

    Who’s the friend, then?

    Nothing will happen until the majority of “commoners” DO something.

    A common person cares less about this event than paying a product/service 5% more than before.

    I walked all around my place, like any Sunday, and haven’t seen, felt, any difference. Any.
    Plenty of sports events. On those, the usual. Haven’t seen people in groups talking about something. Al eyes on the pitch.
    Same in shops/malls….everywhere.

    “We” are weak. That’ all what it is.

  348. Alden says:
    @schrub

    When I read Donald Barr was firmer OSS I assumed that was why he hired the non credentialed college dropout Epstein. Teaching, especially in a private school with normal children and no black thugs is a perfect thing for an operative to get a regular paycheck apply for credit cards , pay rent and utility bills and wait till he’s called on for more important things.

    If I were Len Deighton or John Le Carre. I’d write a book about the 1955 Soviet spy trained in perfect English, who arrived on a train from Montreal and established respectability by teaching for a few years before establishing a financial services firm

  349. @MLK

    Maybe you are not very smart, or think you are more than you are. Usually people like Epstein, serial criminals whose enterprise involves other people, have dossiers, photos, and other concrete irrefutable evidence against cohorts, customers, etc.

    In the event of their death or disappearance, that information is automatically sent to as many public outlets as possible, by an associate or automated system. It’s called insurance and assurance.

    That, we may presume with a fair amount of certainty is what kept Jeffrey of Leicester Square alive, and what has provided him with an escape and decampment to a safe house in an undisclosed location.

    There is a lot of naivety and dull thinking on this topic.

    • Replies: @MLK
  350. @Anonymous

    When does Barr plan to hold a press conference summarizing the investigation as being a botched robbery??

    A pre-trial hold gone wrong.

  351. Alden says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The girls were prostitutes Epstein was their procurer pimp. Whatever the age, whatever they were paid how they were paid it was a crime in the state of Florida

    All your fantasies can’t change the fact that pimping and prostitution are crimes.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  352. @TKK

    TKK,

    According to what you wrote it would be just as easy to kill him, simply substitute poison for drug, and no need to explain the disappearance of the body.

    Dead man’s trigger is overrated. They control the media and they’re killing people to hide evidence and you think somebody would publicise it. Do you think porn hub would release his videos? And let’s say they did, they could only show us Clinton with an adult girl. And what good does it do Epstein when he’s already dead? So where is the evidence supposed to end up to be effective against these rich and powerful people? With the prosecutor? Well the FBI have got it anyway and that should be the same thing, it’s on them to hand it all over to the prosecutor. And wherever such a trigger were to send the evidence the FBI would still get their hands on it.

  353. Alden says:
    @Sean

    He had a great attorney and the family that accused him told so many easily refuted lies he was acquitted.

    Amazing what high preforming attorneys can do.

    • Replies: @Sean
  354. Skeptikal says:
    @niteranger

    ” For some reason Giraldi seems ignorant of such things.”

    This is not one of Giraldi’s best.
    He seems to be out of the loop regarding the deep background on Epstein that is available at Mint Press and a number of links at Moon of Alabama.

    • Replies: @niteranger
  355. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Alden

    Pedophilia 12 and under. Sex with minors 13 to 17 depending on the state.

    So you are saying that in the states that claim that coerced sex by old jew letchers with 13 year old goy minors is not pedophilia, and that this proves that because Epstein and his clients ostensibly reqruited girls from the age of 14 is proof that they are not pedophiles? You should stop hanging out with cats so often.

    This is like gay people and their useful idiot SJW’s who claimed that gay marriage would never lead to demands for gay boy scout leaders, gay adoption and perpetual gay disco.

    But the real point here is that I do not live in the US and I am not a US person. Whatever perverted definitions of sodomy, pedophilia, “sex with minors” or pimping that the jew owned Californian legal system has come up with is certainly a model for the rest of the planet to avoid, not emulate.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  356. Hans says:

    Lots more threads and names: The Crimes Must Not Be Buried with Epstain – https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuU3dy3OeJ8/

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  357. @Colin Wright

    “(Dershowitz) seriously asserted that it shouldn’t be a crime to patronize prostitutes — but the prostitutes themselves should still be liable to arrest. In articles…”

    This is the nineteenth century view of prostitution found in Balzac. Prostitutes were regarded as home wreckers preying on the weakness of men.

    • Replies: @Iris
  358. renfro says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    With a few exceptions, female erotic mindset is not more mature when they’re 35 in comparison when they’re 15. Prostitutes are as ineradicable as are thieves. Or, in other words: soft patriarchy is the only way of sustaining functioning societies because, if in charge, females would ruin any society

    Are you one of those woman hating incels I’ve been reading about?

    • LOL: Iris
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  359. @Colin Wright

    He is one of those guys whose guilt is obvious just by looking at him.

  360. Sean says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    During the time she was this alleged slave of Epstein’s. Roberts/Giuffre was in a relationship with one Tony Figueroa.

  361. @Sean

    How many times are you going to mention naked guys in cages? Freudian slip, I think?

    • Replies: @Sean
  362. Iris says:
    @Gordon Pratt

    This is the nineteenth century view of prostitution found in Balzac

    Not even that: 19th Century Balzac’s views were far too intelligent and progressive compared to Dershowitz’s.

    His are more comparable those of a second-rate author like Emile Zola, with his pseudo-scientific Malthusian views on the degeneracy of the poor.

  363. Ron Unz says:

    I’ve noticed that various “conspiratorial” commenters on this and various other Epstein threads have suggested that the recent mass shootings were organized by the “Deep State” and designed to divert public attention from the Epstein case. But I think that makes absolutely no sense.

    If you were doing something like that, you’d obviously wait until *after* you “suicided” Epstein rather than do it a week or so earlier, giving Epstein’s death a fairly clear media field.

    “Conspiracy people” should consider that if the order had been reversed, the Epstein case would have been quickly forgotten and they’d be citing the sequence of events as conclusive proof of their theories.

  364. Sean says:
    @Alden

    The lawyer was heavy with rhetorical innuendo, but did not, and did not have to, substante it, because the jury were not going to make that finger snapping mother a multi millionaire.

    Cosby fired the same lawyer, his tactics were ineffective with witnesses who were not trailer trash. In the immediate aftermath of Jackson’s acquittal, a contested prosecution of the even wealthier Epstein was correctly thought to be very far from a slam dunk conviction. The person who is now saying there were all these VIP being filmed and she was having sex with them aged 15 (she was was actually 17 at the time)was not being used as a witness in the latest persecution.

  365. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:

    The Bronfam family is deeply entwined in this Epstein cover up. Through NXIVM (the sisters), Wexlar (numerous connections), and Maxwell, who was the jew in charge of all media operations in Occupied Germany after the war. Maxell surely worked with renowned smuggler Bronfam to smuggle weapons to jews in occupied Palestine.

    It turns out that this Rothschilds/Bronfam/B’nai B’rith gang was also tied into the Stasi and the GDR:

    https://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/05/unveiling-of-bnai-brith-by-wm-cooper_1051.html

    [MORE]

    The article by Jacob Dachauer, entitled “A Whiskey for the Holocaust”, documents how Bronfman used his post as President of the World Jewish Congress to make deals with the Honecker regime on behalf of his Seagrams liquor empire, and is accompanied by a picture of Bronfman receiving the highest state medal of People’s Friendship in Gold from Honecker in October of 1988.

    The essence of the “Semite” expose is that Bronfman used his credentials as head of the once-respected World Jewish Congress to absolve the German Democratic Republic of any responsibility for the war-time holocaust in return for a series of lucrative concessions to market his whiskey in the German communist paradise.

    If you’re a Jewish patriot, I hope you were listening to that.

    As the “Executive Intelligence Review” has reported, Bronfman’s courtship of the Honecker regime began in 1986 when an associate of his traveled to East Berlin to meet with Klaus Geise, the communist regime’s Secretary of State for Religious Affairs.

    Klaus Geise’s son is Gregor Geise, the reformer successor to Honecker as Chief of the S.E.D. Communist Party, now called the P.D.S.

    In subsequent trips, Bronfman met with Honecker and S.E.D. Central Committee member Hermann Axen. During one visit in 1988, Bronfman pledged that he would personally arrange a state visit to Washington, D.C. by Honecker by 1990 at the latest. Subsequent events, of course, made that impossible.

    Edgar’s brother and business partner, Charles Bronfman of Montreal, became a prominent figure in Canadian East German friendship groups and had veto power over all G.D.R. visas issued to Canadians until the collapse of the communist regime in November 1989.

    These extensive G.D.R. links have led some intelligence analysts to conclude that Edgar and Charles Bronfman have especially close ties to General Markus Wolf, the head of the East German… and I can’t even pronounce it, but it’s called “STASSE”. STASSE. That’s the East German Intelligence Service, and also to a leading protege of the late KGB and Soviet Communist Party boss, Yuri Andropov.

    Edgar Bronfman enjoys equally close ties to the regime in Moscow, and those links have grown even firmer since the accession to power of Mikhail Gorbachev in 1985.

    Colonel Jordan claimed in his Diaries that the first lend lease shipment after Pearl Harbor in December 1941, was vodka from the east coast of the US. This was definitely Bronfam Vodka from his pre-prohibition distilleries in Canada, sent to jewish bolsheviks to help Russian “patriots” storm the German machine guns at Stalingrad.

    Bronfam is also renowned for his take down of Swiss banking while the B’nai B’rith masonic President of the World Jewish Council. Nazi gold, stolen insurance policies were used as a holocaust bludgeon to extort guilt money from Switzerland.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  366. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    This pre-assumes that the ultimate purpose of a weekend false flag triple header was just Epstein. Perhaps both were part of an even bigger diversion/psyop. Gun grab? War preparations? Monetary collapse?

  367. Sean says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    It is not in my power to ensure you do not end up in an observation cell with a suicide watch, or buried in some drug dealing dirty cop’s back yard.

  368. @Macon Richardson

    Really? I would, just look at the guy.

  369. @Goy

    Whatever happened to Epstein the authorities permitted it. They looked the other way. The swamp is in all public institutions.

    • Agree: Hail
  370. Ahoy says:

    Epstein party was going great

    … then the big boss comes in

  371. @animalogic

    Agreed, Organized Jewry has shown, they have no qualms about killing fellow Jews, they’re like any other mafia. (Although I think it is a definite possibility that Epstein was whisked away to Israel.)

  372. @renfro

    Your projecting confession?

    • Replies: @renfro
  373. @foolisholdman

    He says it because he doesn’t really believe it. He’s just engaging in his usual disinformation. Plus he’s obviously gay.

  374. MLK says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Maybe you are not very smart, or think you are more than you are.

    Maybe both!

    In the event of their death or disappearance, that information is automatically sent to as many public outlets as possible, by an associate or automated system. It’s called insurance and assurance.

    You’ve been watching too many Saturday morning cartoons.

    Usually people like Epstein, serial criminals whose enterprise involves other people, have dossiers, photos, and other concrete irrefutable evidence against cohorts, customers, etc.

    There are no more secrets. The risky part is making it public. That’s how the plotters against POTUS Trump got their tit caught in a wringer.

  375. @Alden

    Take it easy, I am not disturbed in the least. I am just writing about what I think happened in this sordid case.

    1. Epstein & his girls were criminals involved in prostitution. Sure, having in mind their age, anyone normal would consider their vulnerability & confusions etc. The weight is on him- mostly. But not exclusively.

    2. those girls were not just innocent victims from a Victorian fantasy world. If there is a fantasy included in this discussion- this is one of pure legless Victorian females no adult mind anymore believes in from at least post WW 1 era.

  376. @Colin Wright

    Epstein was/is part of a Jewish circuit. Jews protect their own. That is their tribal solidarity, which they practice even if it is more of a liability. See the cases of Leo Frank and Jonathan Pollard, huge liabilities to the reputation of Jews, and yet feverishly supported by them.

    • Replies: @Alden
  377. @anonymous

    Not impressed w/ Molyneux.

    Yeah, what’s with the goofy mannerisms such as the repeated tongue in cheek thingy? Looks. sounds like a moron. Who can stand listening to something like that?

  378. @Bardon Kaldian

    “Crucial difference is that my view of human, and female nature in particular, is much darker: it is not a coincidence that top female erotic fantasies include rape, submission, exhibitionism, prostitution, group sex & bondage”.

    Probably from some survey given to a group of Transgender women….or do I have that backwards; should it be transgender men? Well, no matter…you get the drift.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  379. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    It is already been verified that Russia has Kompromat on Trump, and that there is evidence that suggests he is involved in some way.

    Verified how? Where? By whom? Can you provide any evidence of this assertion?

  380. @Hans

    The Crimes Must Not Be Buried with Epstain –

    Agree.

    • Agree: Rurik
  381. JimDandy says:
    @renfro

    Why even press the matter? All they’ll do is get Acosta to say, “Ah, I can’t even remember who said that. In retrospect, I think I heard someone mention that as a rumor or something. Nothing to see here, move along.”

  382. Republic says:
    @annamaria

    Why are you loitering this forum with your obscene ideas

    about underage girls? To white-wash the “victimized” Jeff E.?

    A strange bird, this JS character, he has lived in two of the world’s most prominent sexual holiday/residential centers for years in SE Asia.

  383. @Cowboy

    On c’mon Kartoffelstampfer! Yer talkin small potatoes! Doncha know them Nazis wanted to take over the world???? Wink, wink!

  384. @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron!

    Am a “conspiracy people,” and, I note how the practical & flexible “Deep State” * indulges things both in order & in “reverse.”

    Thank you for the comment!

    * If a “Deep State” & prioritization of it’s essential needs exist, what’s left is a “Shallow State.”

  385. @anon

    Whenever I lose $500 million I always notice it.

  386. @Goy

    Congratulations on a brilliant summation. However the the in-your-face nature of this enormity may not have been a bait to violent reaction. The World Bankster may simply have been desperate.

  387. @Bardon Kaldian

    So, most Epstein’s accusers fall within that range group- which is a crime under current US law, but this law is antiquated


    “You know it, brother”

  388. @Ron Unz

    I don’t think you can win with conspiracy theorists. Maybe TPTB decided to off Epstein so as to get those massacres, or false flags, out of the headlines. They want to minimise the possibility of any copy cat or revenge attacks and give the people something else to obsess about. And they got rid of a key witness who could do them a lot of damage. If they’re behind everything, the sequence of events still isn’t that bad. I like the way they staged that Epstein’s failed suicide attempt, and that also had a lot of questions surrounding it, to prep the public for the real event later on. I guess they were hoping most people would think, yeah well he tried it once before so why not again. But it seems they’re fooling very few people with the suicide story, even Trump doesn’t believe it.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  389. I think Elizabeth Warren should be put in charge of the investigation. She should gather a staff. We could call it the Warren Commission.

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Iris
  390. @freedom-cat

    Write back to Havelock Ellis, Sigmund Freud, Alfred Kinsey, Shere Hite, Masters & Johnson, Simone de Beauvoir, Nancy Friday, Camille Paglia,…

    Geez, this place is full- and I mean really full- of yokels.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  391. @Iris

    “This is the most important question to answer: why was the US Justice system allowed to charge Epstein in the first place, what triggered his indictment after two decades of impunity?”

    That is worth repeating. Thanks to you and @freedom-cat.

    If the question is not addressed in the “official investigation” we will know it is a cover up.

    • Replies: @Iris
  392. anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I wouldn’t argue that one was an attempted diversion from the other, but I strongly suspect that even if the shootings were not psychological ops, the interpretative narrative attached to them was flogged for purposes very similar to the purposes for which Epstein was suicided.

    Whether Epstein is dead or was extracted to pimp another day, it would be hard to persuade me that he killed himself.

  393. Art says:

    Here is my 2 cents (overpriced) – of course there is a conspiracy. It started when the FBI dropped the ball after the Florida conviction. There was more than ample reason to pursue Epstein.

    The American people would be fools to believe that the FBI, will tell the whole truth about Epstein.

    He is like JFK and 9/11 – Deep State stuff that cannot be revealed.

    We Americans no longer have the luxury of believing that our US government is competent or honest.

    Think Peace — Art

  394. renfro says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Nope I like women….

    And you do sound like one of those incel mental cases.

    Crucial difference is that my view of human, and female nature in particular, is much darker: it is not a coincidence that top female erotic fantasies include rape, submission, exhibitionism, prostitution, group sex & bondage. In other words, non-negligible part of females would go into world of prostitution & degradation, even if there was no economic & social necessity for that

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Alden
  395. Hail says: • Website
    @Mark James

    the first attempt had likely not succeeded, due to his ex-cop cellmate

    What is this in reference to?

    • Replies: @Mark James
  396. Hail says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    it seems they’re fooling very few people with the suicide story

    Stefan Molyneux
    @StefanMolyneux
    Aug 10

    Think how desperate

    they must have been

    to make a move

    this obvious

  397. We the public will never know what Epstein was all about.

    We the public will never know for sure, but we the public have a pretty good guess, just like Mr. Giraldi. Except that we the public wouldn’t exclude CIA at all. CIA and Mossad are the two prime suspects, but any other spook agency subservient to the CIA (i.e., the other four of the five eyes) could have run this Epstein character on behalf of the CIA. It is fairly clear that Epstein was “suicided”. Serves him right, but his “suiciders” and those they served won’t be punished. A pity.

  398. If the images being shown of Epstein on a gurney are of him why doesn’t his profile match other images of him?

    https://i1.wp.com/www.winterwatch.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/download-3.jpg?zoom=2&resize=320%2C325&ssl=1

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  399. @Hail

    This guy was in Epstein’s cell a few weeks ago during his first attempt (or that’s what they are saying). https://yonkerstimes.com/dirty-westchester-ex-cop-is-epsteins-cell-mate/
    ————————————
    “Tartaglione was identified by the New York City media as someone who may have assaulted Epstein. That claim was loudly denied by Tartaglione’s attorney Bruce Barket, who said that Tartaglione did not harm Epstein, but instead intervened in an attempt to save his life, adding, “In the short time they were together, they became friends.”

    • Replies: @Hail
  400. JimDandy says:
    @renfro

    I like women, too. And I LOVE making sexytime with them. But your response is not an argument. There is nothing whacko about this what Bardon wrote–there are plenty of studies backing him up.

  401. Ron Unz says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    If the images being shown of Epstein on a gurney are of him why doesn’t his profile match other images of him?

    Well, I don’t know anything about images, but a plan to fake Epstein’s suicide and let him escape seems *extraordinarily* risky…

    Presumably, Epstein’s alleged corpse could be checked against dental, medical, and DNA records, and if it turned out to be someone different, not even the NYT would continue to shout “conspiracy theorist!” at people who question the credibility of our ruling elites.

    Moreover, demanding such a medical check would be an easy argument to make. Leaving aside all the Mossad/CIA/Deep State angles, Epstein was supposedly worth many hundreds of millions of dollars and given that he was facing 40 years in prison, he surely would have been willing to offer gigantic bribes to everyone to allow his escape. Plus all the blackmail threats he could make against powerful people. Suppose that El Chapo fellow suddenly died in prison, and people thought his corpse didn’t entirely resemble him.

    So it’s perfectly reasonable for the public to demand solid proof that he’s really dead.

  402. Iris says:
    @Gordon Pratt

    If the question is not addressed in the “official investigation” we will know it is a cover up.

    It depends. If Epstein’s arrest and indictment were an insider message telling his handlers to back up from US political institutions, we will never know.

    Is it a coincidence that Epstein was “suicided” just when Israel has announced its participation in the US NeoCons-led “Maritime Security Force” set up to police the Strait of Hormuz, in violation of Iran’s sovereignty?

    The tension is reaching a climax. The Iranians have stated that Israel has no strategic or security interests in this area, and that her unique goal is to stir up the conflict and ignite a regional war, between Iran and SA in particular. They are basically watching for a false flag.

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201908081041900825-detroit-dormuz-pourquoi-israel-a-t-il-decide-de-participer-a-une-mission-de-securite-maritime/

  403. @Ron Unz

    Understood. I am looking at his left ear in particular. It does not match. Not even close. Whether he is alive or dead I cannot say with certainty but I am confident in saying that the person alleged to be on the gurney in those images is not him.

  404. Ron Unz reasoned, emphasized: “… but a plan to fake Epstein’s suicide and let him escape seems *extraordinarily* risky…”

    When the law is on the side of “extraordinary” risk takers, it’s more tempting to go for it.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  405. Hail says: • Website
    @Mark James

    Thanks —

    intervened in an attempt to save his life

    This is an odd wording that omits what the threat to Epstein’s life was.

  406. @lysias

    Roger Stone’s book on the Kennedy hit

    puts spider LBJ squarely at web center.

    and I agree: who stood to gain most?

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  407. Hail says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    This is all so bizarre as to seem straight from the imagination of a hack Hollywood writer pitching a second-tier James Bond or Mission Impossible-type spy story.

    Which raises the question I haven’t seen addressed: Who ordered Epstein re-arrested in early July 2019 (and why now)? After his crimes and likely foreign-intelligence activities were presumably known or suspected by persons in positions to push prosecution, going back to the 2000s at least (when he was mildly prosecuted) and probably to the 1990s or even earlier?

    Do we know the answer to this?

    Epstein is the whom in this disturbing, 35-day saga (original arrest: July 6; reported death: Aug. 10). What are the name(s) of the who? And why?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  408. Bubba says:
    @annamaria

    Yes. And Pollard walks free.

    And is a national hero to Israel.

    “From disposable asset to national hero: The full Pollard spy saga” reads the headline for a traitor who should have been executed and is still living in America.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4700225,00.html

    The article shows how another Israeli spy brazenly lied about selling out America:

    Kadish admitted that for nearly ten years he gave Yagur outlines of nuclear weapons, as well as improvements to the F-15i fighter jet and to Patriot missile systems. “I thought I was helping Israel and not harming my country,” he told his interrogators.

    Yeah, sure…

    • Replies: @Alden
  409. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    The following article by Joachim Hagopian contains a wealth of data and facts about Jeffrey Epstein.

    It’s long but worth it.

    https://empireexposed.blogspot.com/2018/02/chapter-14-jeffrey-epstein-scandal.html

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @anonymous
  410. Alden says:
    @Cowboy

    It’s the law. Pedophilia is 12 and under. 13-17 is sex with minors. The penalties for sex with minors 13-16 is. pretty severe

    Why are you fighting with me about it????

    [MORE]

    Those laws and age limits were made long before I was born. I didn’t make those laws. I wasn’t a legislator or governor. I’m not a county prosecutor or criminal defense attorney specializing in child abuse and or sexual crimes. I have nothing to do with the laws of the 50 states and several territories.

    If you’re so outraged and want to fight with someone fight with Bardon Kardian. He believes that Epstein’s girls just enjoyed and greatly benefited from being underage.
    prostitutes.

    I quoted the exact same definitions and penal laws to both you and Kardian.
    He attacks me because he thinks underage prostitution is fun and profitable. You attack me because you think that American laws about teen sex aren’t strict enough.

    You’re both probably diabetics. You both show the common diabetic symptom of irritability. It’s a medical term Translates to always looking for a fight and not stopping till he finds one.

    Look up the age of consent in the country you live in. Look up the age limit for pedophilia in your country. Look up the difference between sex with a 14 year old and sexual with a 17 year old.

    You might be surprised as the age of consent is lower in most European S American and Asian countries than in most American states.

    And once and for all retarded idiot incapable of reading comprehension.

    Sex, touching molesting children under 12 is pedophilia and a very serious crime with severe penalties in all American jurisdictions.

    Sex touching molesting teens between 13 and 16, or 17 depending on the age of consent in the state is another serious crime with severe penalties.

    The definition of pedophilia is sex touching molesting children 12 and under.

    Go fight with Kardian who thinks teen prostitution with a pimp like Epstein is just fine.

    Or drink some orange juice and check your insulin.

  411. Per ArcAngel “If the authorities and the Ministry of Truth say that Epstein is dead I go to my Orwellian dictionary and it states that he is alive . “

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  412. With this boys hit list, do you really believe that someone would attempt a ‘suicide’ on him?

    I’m a little hesitant to climb on board the “it’s all over, the Clinton’s did it and we’ll never prove it” train.

    This guys got money up the wazu. This guys got dirt on presidents and princes and kings of industry. You think he went to bed even one night without updating his ‘dead man’s switch’? Think he got to where he is without a contingency plan?

    If anything, Epstein has been moved to an undisclosed location and a suitable replacement has been murdered, tagged and autopsied. A quick incineration will destroy the remains and end the story. Epstein will live out his life in well funded silence.

    Look for people in and around the NYCity police, jail and coroners office to begin succumbing to Arkancide, though.

    “If it gets to snowin’, it’ll cover his tracks”

  413. Alden says:
    @Cowboy

    Epstein lived in and committed his crimes in Florida New York and the Caribbean. Can’t you read?

  414. Alden says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I’ve always felt it’s good Mary Phagan was only 12. Had she been 14 the Jews would have claimed she was a prostitute killed by her pimp.

  415. Alden says:
    @renfro

    Kardian probably owns an escort service and likes to play the Pirate and the captive

  416. @Bardon Kaldian

    I agree. And without trying to deprecate your comment, I would go a step further (here goes):

    [MORE]

    Feminism is the original root of everything that has brought Western civilization to its knees. Today’s feminism is pure and unadulterated white female self-loathing, disguised and redirected outward as politics. What is really happening is that, with instantaneous communications, and immensely increased images and exposure to other cultures and races, white women looked around and began to doubt themselves. They began to realize how inferior they looked, how rapidly and badly they aged, and how uninteresting their bodies were compared to foreign women with brown skin instead of pasty white blotchy skin, fine complexion instead of coarse large pores, large dark nipples and areolas instead of little pink piggy nipples, tight slim bodies instead of lumpy fat blobs, neotony in oriental women instead of getting fat-wrinkly=hairy as they age, and on and on and on.

    What quickly developed was envy and self-hatred and immense feelings of inferiority in white Western women. They have psychologically sublimated these negative feelings and projected them into attacks on something outside themselves, blaming specifically white Western men, who are there to continue the race and the racial characteristics about which these women are now ashamed. White western men are also supposed to be husbands to these women, who now feel totally inadequate as mates and therefore spurn white men completely instead of having to suffer endless compulsive doubts about the origins and sincerity of a man’s affections.

    Then the feminists have gone one step further: in the process of hating themselves and overgeneralizing that hate to their entire race, they fantasize about being forcibly raped by men of other races, and therefore are at the forefront of importing such men via unlimited immigration (thinly disguised as compassion), while also emasculating any laws or even criticism when rapes actually occur. Don’t you suppose that hideous excuse for a woman Merkel in Germany doesn’t have deep down in her lizard brain precisely those kind of feelings?. This is why feminists never protest against mohammedanism with its FGM and misogyny. They secretly admire it and want to be raped and controlled in the same manner, because that kind of forced interest would help to assuage their miserable self image. Next lesbianism and transgenderism are simply more clinically insane in-your-face offshoots of this original self-loathing.

    With this understanding, these truths must be brutally and repeatedly hurled against feminists to expose their deceit, to smash their lies. The most basic thing wrong with the white race today is white women. They should be incessantly ridiculed, derided, condemned, and spat upon by men. If enough white men did that, then their women would wake up from clown world. Unless feminism is stopped and totally eradicated, unless white Christian Western man steps up and controls Western woman to defer completely to him as sole and permanent leader of the traditional family and society as a whole, then Western civilization is lost.

  417. Alden says:
    @Bubba

    Pollard has a very well paid job with a Jewish financial fraud firm.

  418. dimples says:

    If Barr is “appalled” by Epstein’s suicide, why didn’t Barr make sure that Epstein was properly guarded? This was a high-profile prisoner and then some, with plenty of juicy revelations to come out from inside his large and unattractive head. The fact that he was treated more or less as any other prisoner says it all.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  419. MBlanc46 says:
    @anon

    You called it. Right. Sure you did. Mr Anon. Lying @$$h01e.

  420. Tony Ryals says: • Website
    @Vicky Weird

    Thanks for the excellent Polly youtube video. I haven’t had time to see if any of the characters she mentioned turn uo in this excellent Epstein,Clinton Virgin Islands gang of characters but it’s very interesting groiup of people..

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=126531

    Jeffrey Epstein’s St. Thomas Network, Comms, And An Elite School
    Coreyis Digs

    [MORE]

    Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein has quite a network in St. Thomas, VI, from a tax attorney setting up a microwave radio transmission for private comms to Little St. James Island, to owning 50% of a marina with billionaire Andrew Farkas, to a group of fascinating and well-connected ladies on the board of an elite private school that sits on 27-acres where Epstein’s attorney was one of the first students. Coincidentally, many of these individuals have direct ties to former President Bill Clinton and the Clinton Global Initiative, in addition to corrupt former Governor of the Virgin Islands, John de Jongh and his wife Cecile. In fact, a big corruption investigation from years back tie some of these folks together.

    • Many of Epstein’s business addresses in Red Hook Quarter St. Thomas, where his 50% ownership in American Yacht Harbor resides, go to the marina – dock B, slip 3. Coincidentally, so does a CPA’s who setup his private comms to Little Saint James.

    • This network has tales of past corruption running up through legislators, a Clinton appointee, an Obama campaign bundler, and the former Governor of the Virgin Islands.

    • There is an elite preparatory school that resides on 27-acres that is likely a grooming school for high-level positions, and some of the board members have ties to Jeffrey Epstein and the Clintons. Epstein’s attorney Paul Hoffman was one of the original 13 students.

    Understanding The Network Diagram Below
    To put this complex network into a comprehensible structure, a diagram has been created with color-coded lines so that the connections can be fully understood. What does this represent? Antilles School would appear to be the hub of most of these connections. From there it filters out to the board members, most of whom have been on the board in varying positions for years. The ladies listed in the diagram, in connection with the school, are indicated in red. The founders and original 13 students of the school paint quite a picture as well, with one of the students being Epstein’s attorney Paul Hoffman.

    For example, Pamela Berkowsky is a Clinton appointee with a military background, who was made the former governor of the Virgin Island’s chief of staff, until she abruptly resigned over a scandal. This was long after she had served as the assistant chief of staff to secretary of defense William S. Cohen. She is married to Adam Shapiro who operates several medical facilities in St. Thomas, is a plastic surgeon, has a transport pilot license, and was involved in the scandal with Berkowsky. Jeanne Brennan Wiebracht, is a licensed CPA who utilizes Epstein’s address for her business, and is on documentation for an Epstein company that setup microwave radio transmission from St. Thomas to Little St. James Island. Claire Starkey is involved with the Clinton Global Initiative via her Fintrac company that was founded in 1990 and operates out of countries that overlap with the Clintons agendas. Marjorie Rawls Roberts was a campaign bundler for Barack Obama, assisted criminals in setting up tax breaks in VI, has worked with the Clinton Global Initiative, and is a political-power-wannabe who would likely do anything just to stand in their shadows. Roberts took Erika Kellerhals under her wing and showed her the ropes, before Kellerhals established her law firm – the firm that maintained the documents for Epstein’s Gratitude For America Ltd. Foundation. Cecile de Jongh, former first lady to the Gov. was the manager for Epstein’s Southern Trust Company, Inc., a company that donated to Antilles School. Amexa Rivadeneira, the director of foundation accounts for Catchafire, who works with the Clinton Global Initiative, used to serve in the senate office of Kirsten Gillibrand……

  421. @Robjil

    I don’t blame the Jews for being Zionists. Nothing wrong with supporting your tribe. The Christian Zionists, however, are just useful idiots. I don’t have a shred of respect for them.

  422. @Ron Unz

    I agree that it’s possible Epstein is still alive. But we all know the Deep State (especially Mossad) is not merciful. Occam’s Razor says he’s dead.

  423. Abbybwood says:
    @iffen

    I find the testimony of Guifre? intriguing when she says she was forced to give Dershowitz oral sex on the way to his “Massachusetts home” as Epstein and Maxwell watched in a limo.

    If I HAD to choose “who” to believe, I would believe her.

    Especially after Dershowitz recently claimed he and his wife have “a great sex life!”.

    Right! Compared to a child doing the bobbing for apples thing on your schwarzah!

  424. Abbybwood says:
    @Colin Wright

    Right.

    There was a photo today of “The Queen” and Prince Andrew riding in the back of their limo, both freakin’ GLEEFUL! She is being “supportive”.

    Of course nobody could see their champagne glasses tucked away out of view.

    • Replies: @Alden
  425. Alden says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You don’t know how the whole thing started do you?

    A woman went to the Palm Beach Police and reported that Epstein raped her 14 year old stepdaughter. 14 and she wasn’t the wild child prostitute you fantasize about so much. Had she been the wild child prostitute of your fantasies she would not have told her stepmother. She would have kept going back to Epstein’s Florida house. But she didn’t. She reported it and gave the police all the information .

    The police really pushed the county prosecutor who kept stalling doing nothing to move the case along Finally the county prosecutor allowed Epstein to plead guilty to soliciting for prostitution, a much much less serious crime than either rape or consensual sex with a 14 year old.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  426. Alden says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    You sound like every black rapist ever convicted.

    Rapist “ she wanted it , I just knew”

    Prosecutor “ you had to kidnap her from the parking lot and break her wrist and jaw”

    Rapist “ she liked it” ah dindu nuffun “ “ her own fault broke her wrist trying to get out of the car”

    You guys should really keep your sex fantasies to yourselves.

    Another sad old repressed homosexual woman hater heard from.

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  427. Abbybwood says:
    @Colin Wright

    But….it seems Mr. Epstein kept DETAILED hand-written diaries!

    Almost like a “dead man’s switch”.

    The obvious question is: WHO has the jurisdiction over the diaries?? Hopefully his lawyers with plans to publish them prior to the 2020 election.

    Bill Clinton: “I only flew FOUR times on The Lolita Express…OOPS I mean on Mr. Epstein’s plane. And that was to fight AIDS for The Clinton Foundation”.

    Some gutsy reporter: “But Sir! It shows you on 26 of Epstein’s flights! Manifests don’t lie?!”

    Former President Bill Clinton: (Showing signs of head-jerking and the Scicillion Flu) says: “Humina, humina, humina, humina…..”.

    D’Oh!

  428. Alden says:
    @Abbybwood

    Oh yes, and they and they went to church for the first time since the Christmas and Easter parades. Supposedly he’s not the son of Prince Philip but the Earl of Portland. It’s pretty obvious from pictures that Andrew is Portland’s son, not Philip’s

    • Replies: @JRB
  429. Giraldi once again proves himself a hack, and well below the level of most columnists featured on Unz with a superfluous and inaccurate Trump dig. This piece offered nothing to anyone who’d read about this story for more than 5 minutes.

  430. Alden says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Virginia Giuffre had to be hospitalized in NYC at least once because of physically abusive sex.

    Do you drive around high schools at 3 in the afternoon? Sounds like it. Men like you are the reason police monitor the streets around high schools in the afternoon.

    Again, why don’t you lobby to lower the age of consent to 14 or 12 or 10 in your state instead of defending Epstein and his underage prostitutes in this anti Epstein anti prostitution site. Lobby to legalize prostitution. Lobby to make the only proof that rape was rape that the victim was beaten till she couldn’t resist any more

    You seem to feel very strongly that all those things Epstein did should be legalized. So get started. Is there a NAMBLA for men who want sex with girl children? Join it.

    • Agree: annamaria
  431. @Alden

    You get close, but you are wrong with your definition. Age has little to do with it. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. If the child is 14 and still has not gone through puberty, then the adult attracted to them is a pedophile. If the child is 11 but has gone through puberty and has developed secondary sex characteristics, the person is a criminal, but is not a pedophile.

    Pedophile is a clinical definition, not a legal one. Legally, it is “sex with a minor” which can have different degrees based on age.

  432. Anon[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Question for all,

    Ever consider a rogue upper echelon CIA faction may have ran Epstein, hoping it looked optically like the Mossad ran him?

    Epstein was probably a sex criminal from his early adulthood, but knew a few people. Hell, his handlers could have told him they were Mossad. I think our CIA/NSA has some brass who wouldnt mind calling America’s foreign policy shots from behind the scenes via blackmail info on influential company leaders and corporate officers/assorted congresscritters. Epstein could privide this while appearing to be Mossad.

    Its hard to believ CIA would let the Mossad get kompramat on our politicians so they could boss them around. Turf concerns and a bruised ego would lead me to believe the CIA would at least brief new members of congress about this anyway. I think it could have been them. “He belongs to intelligence”.

  433. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous

    https://empireexposed.blogspot.com/2018/02/chapter-14-jeffrey-epstein-scandal.html

    Despite strong evidence that he too participated in Epstein sex crimes, Alan Dershowitz was allowed to lead the best legal dream team Mossad blackmail money could buy. Despite all the proven facts surrounding this case, the Dershowitz dream team successfully “convinced” the US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida to neither charge Epstein nor any of his pimp co-conspirators with sex trafficking underage girls across state lines, and of course nor dare prosecute any of the other frequent flying VIP child molester…

    The pit-bullish Dershowitz gang included Kenneth Starr, chief investigator from the Clinton-Lewinsky soap opera who never fails to evoke the religious high moral ground yet in the next breath claims he’s more than happy to have gotten a pedophile-trafficker off.

    Other hotshot aces in the hole were Florida trial lawyer Roy Black and star attorney Gerald Lefcourt among others. Dershowitz and Lefcourt’s letter to Acosta’s office prior to their successful plea bargain emphasized Epstein’s super close ties to Bill and Hillary Clinton, touting how the billionaire pedophile “co-founded” the infamous Clinton Foundation, accused by philanthropy law expert Charles Ortel of being “the largest unprosecuted fraud in history.” Speaking of which, a whistleblower at a Swiss bank has revealed that Jeffrey Epstein used his Swiss bank account to send Bill Clinton $3.5 million shortly after his pedophilia probe began in 2005.

    Names are coming out.

  434. @Anon

    Interesting idea, but aren’t the CIA and Mossad joined at the hip at this stage? How likely is it that rogue elements within the CIA haven’t been purged by now?

  435. @dimples

    ‘If Barr is “appalled” by Epstein’s suicide, why didn’t Barr make sure that Epstein was properly guarded? This was a high-profile prisoner and then some, with plenty of juicy revelations to come out from inside his large and unattractive head. The fact that he was treated more or less as any other prisoner says it all.’

    It says that nobody wanted to hear those juicy revelations.

    Actually, I think the fear wasn’t Epstein so much himself as that of endless succession of ex-fifteen year olds mounting the stand and naming various of our betters as their correspondents.

    No accused, no trial. It’s a variation on Stalin’s old dictum.

    • Agree: Talha
  436. @Alden

    I guess you’ve known every black rapist, mmmmm ??? And maybe in more ways than one.

    You overgeneralize; it’s a trait eerily reminiscent of leftist thought processes. I’m talking about adult women, not children. And until you have a better explanation for feminism, you’d best keep empty assertions, ad hominems, and your own fantasies to yourself.

    • Replies: @renfro
  437. JimDandy says:
    @Ron Unz

    If, as Acosta was told, Epstein was “Intelligence”–and the decision was made by Israel (and the quislings running their vassal-nation’s CIA) to fake his death, etc., it wouldn’t really be that risky. Say the body was cremated or forge the medical records to match up with the imposter body, have your high-ranking media assets run the right narrative and make it clear to the bought and paid politicians running America that they must dismiss the public’s concerns as “dangerous conspiracy theories,” and then the next crazy news event will adequately distract.

  438. @Commentator Mike

    They want to minimise the possibility of any copy cat

    Imagine believing TPTB care about the lives of commoners who shop at Walmart. And this in the same sentence where they would off one of their own if it was expedient.

    Imagine believing TPTB would not benefit politically from “white nationalists” causing mayhem and would want there to be less of it.

    Imagine believing those shootings could actually be real.

  439. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Could you just show some decency and stop fantasizing about “female sexuality?”

    This is a story of Mossad’s blackmailing operation and the abuse of underage girls.
    If you have an itch for discussing “female desires” and such, look for the appropriate blogs. This forum is not an appropriate venue for you: https://empireexposed.blogspot.com/2018/02/chapter-14-jeffrey-epstein-scandal.html

    During the ensuing decade since Epstein’s conviction, the seedy truth has slowly trickled out, exposing the dark, twisted, perverse sex slave trafficking operation that Epstein and his bevy of co-conspirators recruited child victims as sex slaves from poor neighborhoods in Florida, New York, South America, Europe and Russia, including three 12-year old girls from France as a birthday gift. Incredibly, his procuring pimp co-conspirators and scores of powerful pedo patrons were all granted immunity…

    • Agree: Iris, Jacques Sheete
  440. @Hail

    Hail asked: Which raises the question I haven’t seen addressed: Who ordered Epstein re-arrested in early July 2019 (and why now)? … Do we know the answer to this?… Epstein is the whom in this disturbing, 35-day saga (original arrest: July 6; reported death: Aug. 10). What are the name(s) of the who? And why?”

    Above, worth repeating, and Heil Hail, 👍!

    Nonetheless, & as you likely know, the dirtiest work in the world is done under near impermeable “plausible deniability.”

    Thanks, Hail.

    • Replies: @Republic
  441. Sources familiar with the correctional facility in question tell TMZ, there are cameras in the Special Housing Unit — the SHU — but SOP is that cameras do not point into the cells. We’re told cameras capture, among other things, the doors to each cell to determine if anyone walks in or out, but they don’t point inside.

    One source familiar with the facility says the drill is for guards to pass by each cell in intervals ranging from 15 to 30 minutes depending on the circumstances.

    Unless there’s a one-off cell with a camera pointing inside — and we’re told there have been rare situations where this is the case — the time and manner of his death may never be captured.TMZ

    So rather than actually guard a suicidal prominent prisoner and make sure there is never another attempt, NYC fed’ prison just goofs off AND fails to record anything going on inside the cell. That’s just great.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  442. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    Ever consider a rogue upper echelon CIA faction may have ran Epstein, hoping it looked optically like the Mossad ran him?

    No. For simple reasons: “What’s there for me” and “Unless having THAT clearance I’ll never know”.

    Re the former: if they can pull this to him what can they pull on me (or people I care for) if/when they want it.

    Gets worse.

    What if they pull that just to get a kick of out of it? Like aristocrats/nobles of Rome would pull it on a gladiator/slave? Or Middle Age noble on a serf?

    I remember when Milosevic died and I’d mention that over lunch in white-collar/corporate environment. He WAS a head of state, European, White. I remember the jokes. And I was thinking (stupid, I know) the same: if they can do this to him, what can they do to me? Nobody else was, of course, at least where I was moving around (senior corporate management, that is…….or so I say).
    Then, there was a S.A.S. guy. Quote from Wikipedia:

    He was a lance corporal in 1980, serving in Pagoda Troop, ‘B’ Squadron, 22 SAS Regiment, when he led “Blue Team” in the storming of the Iranian Embassy in London during a hostage siege on 5 May 1980. McAleese fought in the Falklands War in 1982, and in Ulster. He was awarded the Military Medal for gallantry in action at the Loughgall ambush in Armagh on 8 May 1987,[4] and was present at the Drumnakilly ambush in County Tyrone in August 1988.[5] He also served as a bodyguard for three Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom.

    The last sentence could be interesting.
    And, then…..

    Four days after his son’s funeral John McAleese was arrested by officers from West Mercia Police on charges of accessing indecent images of juveniles on the internet via a home computer.

    So, again, if they can do that to this fellow, what can they do to me?
    Etc.

    Hehehe……..now the funny part: how many people reading this knew about Mr. McAleese? No need to state it here.

    Oh, BTW, how many people you know are paying attention to this? Real attention, I mean?
    Funny too.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  443. neprof says:
    @Ron Unz

    If we had a government of the people, by the people, AG Barr would have announce that he and and fellow agents would be in NYC today to exam the body, meet with the coroner, take their own pictures, and report their results in a press conference.

    What will happen instead is that a bunch of unsubstantiated press releases will follow from local officials none with first hand examination of the evidence. Banana Republic on display.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  444. FAKE NEWS!

    Jeffro and Seth Rich poking on sum fine gentile teen cooter RIGHT NAW! in paradise, laughing at the DUMB goyims!

    Seriously, why would they wait till the dude was in jail, witnesses, cameras, to whack him?

    Dumb goyim that really believe the Clintons run the world. Haha. This is what happens when you let billionaire gangsters run your economy. They OWN everything.

    Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class said Al Capone

    The RADICAL MARXIST COMMUNIST LEFTIST SOCIALIST NIGGER JEWS did it!
    I’m sure of this says the dumb goyims.

  445. renfro says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    What is really happening is that, with instantaneous communications, and immensely increased images and exposure to other cultures and races, white women looked around and began to doubt themselves. They began to realize how inferior they looked, how rapidly and badly they aged, and how uninteresting their bodies were compared to foreign women with brown skin instead of pasty white blotchy skin, fine complexion instead of coarse large pores, large dark nipples and areolas instead of little pink piggy nipples, tight slim bodies instead of lumpy fat blobs, neotony in oriental women instead of getting fat-wrinkly=hairy as they age, and on and on and on.

    The most basic thing wrong with the white race today is white women. They should be incessantly ridiculed, derided, condemned, and spat upon by men. If enough white men did that, then their women would wake up from clown world. Unless feminism is stopped and totally eradicated, unless white Christian Western man steps up and controls Western woman to defer completely to him as sole and permanent leader of the traditional family and society as a whole, then Western civilization is lost.

    There is only one effective tactic against the insane zealots of the left: attack with deadly force until they are completely eradicated.

    Holy sh-t !…I shouldn’t have clicked the MORE link…..another militant mental case…..helloo FBI, eyes in the sky, look at them not at the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  446. JimDandy says:

    I guess this is the narrative they’ll run with:

    U.S. Associated Press
    Epstein’s guards worked extreme OT shifts morning of death

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  447. Biff says:
    @Ron Unz

    Presumably, Epstein’s alleged corpse could be checked against dental, medical, and DNA records,

    I noticed you used the word “could”? But will it be allowed, and by whom? Keep in mind how JFK’s autopsy was dubious at best(changed around to fit a narrative).

  448. @Ron Unz

    Presumably, Epstein’s alleged corpse could be checked against dental, medical, and DNA records

    OK, then lets have someone on this thread we trust call them and ask if they can go over and have a look at the body. Then he can post his findings here. It’s not like they have authority to restrict who is allowed to see the bodies in the morgue.

  449. @Skeptikal

    Yes I agree. For some reason Giraldi with his supposed background and experience seems behind from others in the intelligence community. Is this on purpose? Don’t know but Epstein was involved with a myriad of things in the corrupt intelligence community or he wouldn’t have gotten off so many times.

  450. BlackFlag says:
    @Mark James

    There having been a first incident, makes it more likely that it was a suicide.

    The first incident was unlikely a botched attempt at murder. Jeffrey would have told the guards and why would it have been botched anyway?

    So since the first incident was probably a legit suicide attempt, it’s highly probable he would attempt it again. Why not, since nothing had improved?

    Therefore probability of second incident being a suicide is greater than the probability that it was a murder which would have been very risky.

    Suicide, suicide > suicide, murder > murder, murder

    But because there was no camera and because they took him off of suicide watch so quickly, an *encouraged* suicide is a big possibility. Who had control over those things? Not holding my breath for a thorough investigation.

  451. @9/11 Inside job

    Sound logic: it isn’t true unless the government denies it.

  452. @redmudhooch

    I think redmoron would be a better name for you.

  453. @JimDandy

    Yes, I saw that, truly idiotic. WTF is “extreme OT”? But again, they’re just saying they no longer give a shit what people think about these things.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  454. Epstein will be made to go away
    Like the Twin Towers and JFK.
    Land of the free and home of the brave
    Is made pit of the snake and the knave.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  455. renfro says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    @Alden

    I guess you’ve known every black rapist, mmmmm ??? And maybe in more ways than one.

    You overgeneralize; it’s a trait eerily reminiscent of leftist thought processes. I’m talking about adult women, not children. And until you have a better explanation for feminism, you’d best keep empty assertions, ad hominems, and your own fantasies to yourself

    You shut up . You sit your little IT cubical ‘ correcting Indian code’ as you say and are too chicken to open your dirty mouth in public for fear of losing your little job so you come here and dirty up the conservation as a release for your sense of powerlessness .
    You’re a nobody punk in a nothing job with a nothing life because you don’t have the balls for anything above that….so threaten me ,tell me what I’d ‘best keep to myself’ …and you will find out my bite is a lot worse then your cowardly barking on the internet .

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  456. FB says: • Website
    @renfro

    There is no confirmation that body was his.

    Photos of ‘Epstein’s body on a gurney

    Not so fast there Sherlock…

    The NY Post published TWO pictures of the alleged Epstein being wheeled on a gurney…here is the first…obviously in a fire station, not a hospital…

    Notice the compressed air hose…the filthy wall on right…the FDNY backboards hanging on a hook…and part of a green sign on the left that says ‘Please Shut Off Engines’…

    Ambulances aren’t allowed to shut their engines off…that place is clearly a fire station, not a hospital…why would they take Epstein to a fire station…?

    Also notice the size of Epstein’s head…is he part fucking gorilla…?

    His mighty melon DWARFS the pea size heads of the EMT guys, even though they are in the FOREGROUND…

    Anyway, one lousy pic proves nothing…we need to see video from the jail cell, the ambulance, hospital etc…

    Plus Epstein’s body positively identified in the morgue by some of his victims…

    There’s been too much monkey business lately with fakery surrounding high profile ‘crime scenes.’

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Counterinsurgency
  457. Skeptikal says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Ha ha.

    The Pedant’s reading list.
    Believes what he read in Freud.
    The most interesting name: Shere Hite.
    Soft porn in guise of scientific inquiry.
    What they say about shrinks (people with psychological problems take up the shrink profession) can also be said of those who make sexuality the focus of their professional (tee hee) life.

    Bardian, get a life and stop being so pedantic and . . . obvious.

    Maybe read a little real background on the circumstances that *generally* drive women to the “profession” of prostitute. A young girl of 15 may well be attracted to waht looks like a glitzy situation and some easy money and then realize that she is in over her head with sophisticated operatives, and it’s all on film . . .

    • Replies: @Alden
  458. Washington, DC,
    World capital of idolatry,
    How do you not see
    The wrath that surrounds you like the sea?

  459. @iffen

    Oly Jews ask questions like this. The idea is always to obfuscate

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @iffen
  460. @renfro

    What I described is feminism, and feminism is insanity. Your inability to distinguish between a description versus the thing itself doesn’t say much about your mental acuity. Meanwhile, the FBI and the Deep State are here to enforce that insanity on all of us.

    The only conclusion is that you’re the kind of person who gladly caters to insanity.

  461. @renfro

    “…correcting Indian code…” ??? Man, you’ve really got the wrong person. Go back and re-read this thread, and/or find whoever wrote that in the first place.

    Your anger is due to your inability to logically address an argument on a point-by-point basis.

    Good luck with all that, chuck-0.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Alden
  462. Richard S says:
    @Sean

    Your eagerness to speculate about his psychological state, a subjective factor, is slightly odd. The material fact is that dead men tell no tales, and his being dead is probably more advantageous to others than to himself, lol. 🤣

  463. renfro says:
    @FB

    Not so fast there Holmes…

    If you want to get into the conspiracy ask why there were 3 Pictures originally on the NY Post article …..and one has been removed….I saw them immediately after the article came out. If there had only been 2 pictures I would have said 2.

    So pursue that. ….the missing one was, to best memory, a more close up shot but partially blocked by one of the ETMs.

  464. @Alden

    ALDEN

    Seems like a pretty stiff sentence for soliciting prostitution.

    Are you telling me Epstein would have faced life in prison if these had been 25 year old escorts?

    If every prostitute on his island had been a 25 year old woman would he have faced any time at all?

    • Replies: @Alden
  465. Everyone Listen up! Please. This Epstein is dead case is rotten, it smells. The events over the past 3 weeks are pure text book psyop that set the stage for and readied our minds for the real show. it all began with his arrest. He knew it was coming, yet rather than flee to no extradition Israel, he allowed it to happen. So that was step #1. #2. was 2 weeks ago when Epstein feigned the suicide/murder attempt. To implant in the public mind the idea that he’s in mortal danger, either from himself or another. #3. MSM news circulated pictures of a large muscled inmate, described as a psychopathic cop charged with 4 homicides, who may or may not be Jeff’s friendly cell mate, or paid assassin. #4. Leslie Wexler claims JE stole billions from him. Why? This solves the issue of where Epstein’s money came from. We no longer have to dig where we may find the CIA and/or Mossad’s finger prints. #5. His death! Reports are slim on information and confusing. He hung himself, his body was found on the floor, he was on suicide watch, he was not on suicide watch. #6. On the web at beforeitsnews ,com there are photos of JE alive and also dead. You can check for yourself that his eyes, nose and ears don’t match. It isnt him. He’s long gone now, probably to Israel where Israeli law dictates that no jew can be extradited. Why would he do this. 3 main reasons. a. Obviously to avoid 40 years in the pen. b. avoids testifying against very powerful people. c. Netanyahu gets to use pictures of a thinly disguised Euhd Barak entering Epstein’s Manhattan mansion. Barak is Netanyahu’s chief opponent in this September’s run off election. The oictures will secure a win for Netanyahu, better known as Benji the NutnYahoo.

  466. @Ron Unz

    In the next few days expect to hear that Epstein’s body was flown to Israel and buried within 24 hours of death per Jewish custom.

  467. @peterAUS

    There were two compounds in his blood that should not have been there, and he specifically mentioned attempts on his life. He was poisoned (near the end):

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  468. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Brendan Eich just retweeted this.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  469. @Ron Unz

    In the next few days expect to hear that Epstein’s body was flown to Israel and buried within 24 hours of death per Jewish custom.

  470. Everyone is missing a key point. It is impossible that Epstein hung himself, although I don’t think the Feds have officially claimed that. He was being held in a Fed Metro detention center, like a county jail, only used for short-term imprisonment. The cells are designed so that hanging oneself is impossible as there is nothing to attach something. In addition, they make sure prisoners have nothing they can hang themselves with.

    This link has the best photo I could find of such a cell.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-bop-slightly-scaled-back-its-special-management-unit-program-2016-8

    Lots of key people know this fact, so they’ll probably claim the cause of death was a heart attack or claim he managed to smash his head into the wall, which would knock him out but not kill him, but at least its plausible. The hanging story is not.

  471. @MLK

    “No one except me that I’m aware noticed that right after the news broke of Epstein in federal custody, Mueller delayed his long planned testimony to Congress and the real leader of the Special Counsel’s Office, Weissmann (Der Weisse Engel) quietly ran into the woods, declining to answer questions under oath. Mueller appeared after a week’s delay, long enough, apparently, for him to develop late-stage dementia. ”

    Now, that was just funny as hell. I can’t stop laughing. “Der Weisse Engel” indeed. ahaha

    • Replies: @MLK
  472. @Bardon Kaldian

    BARDON

    I would not want to live in a society with a bunch of rapists. Prostitution over 18 is fine with me.

    If it were completely stamped out, you’d just see a rise in female petty crime. More shoplifting, more drug dealing, more B&E’s, more pickpockets.

  473. @Cowboy

    “and who cares what anyone involved with the farce of US “justice” has to say anyway?”

    But wait. Don’t you get it? Alden is a real lawyer and she knows EVERYFUCKINGTHING about EVERYFUCKINGTHING. Just put her annoying ass on ignore like I did. The comments sections she infests look so much cleaner.

    • Replies: @Alden
  474. @freedom-cat

    “I’m leaning more that he was taken out by some layer within the US deep state, to send a strong message to the Jewish Power Structure to Not start another 9/11 type false flag, or something else really huge we do not know about.”

    That’s hilarious. Wait, you are kidding, right?

    • Agree: Liza
  475. renfro says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    “…correcting Indian code…” ??? Man, you’ve really got the wrong person. Go back and re-read this thread, and/or find whoever wrote that in the first place

    Really?….LOL So now you are a liar also.

    _______________________________________________________________________
    ”•Monotonous Languor says:

    February 23, 2019 at 9:48 am GMT • 100 Words

    The whole idea of BRIC was laughable from the outset; Brazil and India will never amount to much, because of HBD and multiple ethnic demographics.

    Working in software, I got so tired of having to redo miserable code from Indian programmers that I could have screamed. ”
    ————————————————————————

  476. geokat62 says:

    Patrick Little announces he may be withdrawing from the 2020 campaign because of some “very good news”

    Could this be it?

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  477. abbybwood says:
    @Colin Wright

    Don’t give up hope.

    Turns out Epstein kept detailed diaries about all his activities and those of his friends.

    We do not know who he bequeathed these diaries to, hopefully his legal team with his wishes that they be publicly disclosed, at least to the prosecutors.

    Maybe these diaries will prove to be Epstein’s “dead mans switch”?

  478. gsjackson says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Gracias. It is good to recall when we were “50 nifty united states from 13 original colonies.”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  479. Grizaby says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    Trump? Route to salvation? All roads have led to Zion through trump, sir. You actually still believe in this dude? The clown, joke, zionist capitalist puppet child rapist freak? Really brother? You need better saviors..

  480. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    The judge, Richard M. Berman, who ordered Epstein held must’ve been in on this conspiracy to have Epstein liquidated.

    Corrupt, pro-Israeli Judge Richard M. Berman (who was promoted to senior status on 9/11), presided over the macabre, Sanhedrin show trial like a pernicious Basilisk, safe in the knowledge that the pacified, castrated shills of the corporate media wouldn’t dare delve into his murky past as an aide to Jewish Senator Jacob Javtis.

    Berman’s predecessor in that role was a loquacious fellow by the name of Harold Wallace Rosenthal. Mossad murdered Rosenthal in 1976 because he was deemed to have revealed too much about the self-chosen

    https://uprootedpalestinian.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/dr-aafia-siddiqui-prisoner-of-conscience/

    Btw, is he related to Deep State’s favorite judge, Amy Berman-Jackson, who (wink, wink) just happened to be assigned Peter Strzok’s suit against DOJ to get job back with back pay?

  481. abbybwood says:
    @Muggles

    Also watch the probate filings in NYC about the properties and who gets them. Watch who starts moving things in and out of Epsteins Manhattan 7 story townhouse worth about $80 million. It’s still a crime scene, eh? Plus the Little St. James Island house, the Palm Beach house, the house in New Mexico and houses in London and Paris etc.

    We need a “Go Fund Me” to pay detectives to snoop on who is messing with all these houses and get their info. for the public. On whose authority do they have access? etc.

  482. You only have to look at Epstein’s picture next to the dead guy on the gurney to see that is NOT Jeffery Epstein in the gurney. The ear and nose are totally different and the crows feet and lines above the left eye too. Epstein is sitting on a beach in Tel Aviv by now.

  483. @renfro

    I’ve been saying from the start the body on the gurney is not Epstein. The nose and ear is totally different and Epstein has distinctive crow’s feet the corpse does not have as well the corpse has a deep line over his left eye which Epstein does not. Epstein is alive and well. No doubt about it.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  484. peterAUS says:
    @Johan Meyer

    Interesting interview. The beginning could be informative; skimmed over Rwanda stuff. I still stand by “murder by institutional neglect” as:

    The Parker Report contains facts indicating that, at a minimum, the Nato Tribunal engaged in conduct that was criminal regarding his treatment and that conduct resulted in his death. The Tribunal was told time and again that he was gravely ill with heart problems that needed proper investigation, treatment and complete rest before engaging in a trial. However, the Tribunal continually ignored the advice of the doctors and pushed him to keep going with the trial, knowing full well that the stress of the trial would certainly kill him.

    ….. they deliberately withheld necessary medical treatment that could have lead to his death. This is a form of homicide and is manslaughter in the common law jurisdictions.

    It’s interesting how people so easily get bogged down in (irrelevant) details and lose the big picture. Understandable. Scary, and humiliating, for plebs who dare to take a good look at all that. The moments when illusion collapses and we see the game as it is. And we can’t do anything about it. Oh, wait, we can. We can inform and educate people, starting with our physical environment. Then, of course, we can phone/email/mail our representatives. And, as the ultimate weapon, we can vote. The bravest/most dedicated/dumbest can also protest.

    All good.

  485. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    The start the body on the gurney is not Epstein. The nose and ear is totally different and Epstein has distinctive crow’s feet the corpse does not have as well the corpse has a deep line over his left eye which Epstein does not. Epstein is alive and well.

    https://scontent.fper7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67960547_10219677703638346_8059063001988202496_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQmoIe7m9qd4XLgC3grFcYzScxPrTmXSkTh64Q9yqH0LID8-eet8CJ9ras4ty0OFNn3J2hzvmZH-p1-PZsbWIbAb&_nc_ht=scontent.fper7-1.fna&oh=efb08f5b07681e36c6ad74ba4dbf1148&oe=5DDD3F9D

  486. @Rabbitnexus

    GENERAL QUESTION

    Debauched wealthy men have been having sex with poor desperate teen girls in exchange for money for thousands of years. This nobleman exploitation of the peasants is underscored by Prince Harry’s alleged presence.

    But here is the question.

    So what? What is the big surprise here? Teen jail-bait exploited by older men of means? This ain’t nothing new.

    Another question is why the poor girls from dysfunctional families are always Gentiles. Can you answer me that? What do Gentiles do wrong that that their 14 year old daughters are out roaming the roads at 1 am at night in Miami! Why don’t young Jewish-American girls do this? What is the difference? Why aren’t Jewish-American girls in peril of exploitation by Gentiles due to socio-economic conditions.

    I’m not talking about Israelis. I’m talking about Jewish American girls.

  487. @Lot

    Thank heavens there is Phil Giraldi to keep the American public apprised of the manipulation by Israel supporters concerning the disolution of what is left of democracy in the United States. The Epstein affair demonstrates that there are two diverse systems of justice in the U.S.; one for non-Jews and another that dispells justice only for Israeli supporters. Consequently, this corrupt system denies equal justice for all.

  488. JRB says: • Website
    @Alden

    Intriguing comment that makes sense, since prince Andrew in his youth looked much different then his siblings. It turns out however that you were wrong in identifying the alleged father. It’s supposed to have been lord Portchester, later known as lord Carnarvon. For his wikipedia page see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Herbert,_7th_Earl_of_Carnarvon

    • Replies: @Alden
  489. Paw says:
    @Rurik

    Are there no cameras /at least one/, in those cell ? To watch closely and simply anyone, even when jailers are tired ? So not to be suprised ,or and to see at least ,what actually has happened afterwards..
    There are millions of them everywhere in cities, in parks, streets ,everywhere and plenty..

    • Replies: @Alden
  490. Ahoy says:

    We can talk about this Soros/Epstein hell on earth until hell freezes over.

    In the meantime enjoy “going back home” Yea !!

  491. JRB says: • Website
    @Jeff Stryker

    Many gentiles in the last century have been, and some still are in the process of making the transformation from living in a high trust society to living in a low trust society. In a more rural high trust society many girls could afford much more risky behavior (and even be rewarded for it), then in a modern multicultural society, where such risky behavior can be severely punished. Jewish people are accustomed to living in low trust societies forever, it’s nothing new for them.

  492. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    Presumably, Epstein’s alleged corpse could be checked against dental, medical, and DNA records, and if it turned out to be someone different, not even the NYT would continue to shout “conspiracy theorist!” at people who question the credibility of our ruling elites.

    Lol. This is the statement of a naive lunatic. After over a century of non stop jewish lies, millions upon millions of deceptions large and small, some as big as the cover up of genocides by people like Walter Duranty, Ron Unz claims that a coroners report contradicting this narrative would force the NYT to publicly retract 100 years of brain washing and mind control???

    No Ron, whatever evidence might be released by a coroner would simply be ignored and covered up with a small effort. Just look what they did with Kennedy’s cadaver.

    • Replies: @lysias
  493. utu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Tell us why LBH (Looser Back Home ) expats like yourself are gentiles? The answer is simple. Because over 98% of population of the US are gentiles so statistically losers like yourself are more likely to be gentiles. But there are Jewish losers as well like AaronB who occasionally pops up here. He however can go to Israel and proclaim his move as an aliyah to cover up his own loserdom. Both you and him have a need to spin your lack of success by talking shit about Americans and gentiles in particular. In his case it is understandable because he is Jewish after all but in your case your talking shit about gentiles indicates that you belong to deeper circles of the loserdom than AaronB. That’s why you are cursed with self hate. The deepest, the ninth circle of hell is reserved for people guilty of treachery, those who betray others and themselves. That’s where you belong.

    • Agree: Alden, Rabbitnexus
  494. @SolontoCroesus

    Thank you. Appropriate and uplifting- and as long as we are alive the possibility of this goodness being rekindled.

  495. Before elections, PM wants Trump to back Israeli sovereignty over settlements
    Officials in Netanyahu’s office confident US president will make declaration ahead of September vote, shoring up right-wing support for premier………………..

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/before-elections-pm-wants-trump-to-back-israeli-sovereignty-over-settlements/

  496. @Alden

    Keep your own projections to yourself. If you are talking about thePalm Beach case, nobody was raped. Stepmother went to police to report this, and it boiled down to undressing and massage- no rape at all. And this, while evidently a crime, was not a typical Epstein case, which included over 100 girls, most of them living, eating, sleeping…and sometimes fornicating in his mansions.

    Get your facts straight before entering into serious discussion & before blowing this lurid case into something absolutely out of proportion.

    • Replies: @lysias
  497. @Jeff Stryker

    What’s the point here? The Epstein affair was not about rape, but about pimping of frequently underage girls. Whole #metoo movement is not about rape, but about sex encounters most of those women- with a few exceptions- profited from & then started complaining when money ran out.
    http://www.unz.com/imercer/harvey-sweinstein-and-hollywoods-hos/

    Harvey Sweinstein and Hollywood’s Hos

    Epstein case is different- but not too different. The crucial difference is, of course- age. The rest is more or less the same: at first recalcitrant, but later willing lower class girls exchanging sex for money & materially better life than they could afford by honest work; yet, they rather chose to stay within orbit of the molester & keep the thing going for some time. And, with one or two important exceptions, all chose to settle for money deals – and not to pursue the damn rapist to the hell of jail & public condemnation.

    If this continues for some time, I guess many will seriously claim that Monica Lewinsky was a victim. That’s what you get when you saturate your whole culture with promiscuity, loose morality & basically- whoredom.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  498. @Ron Unz

    Epstein might have had a deadman’s switch that would reveal all his secrets. So it’d be important to keep him alive, while still keeping him from talking or communicating.

    You can’t let Epstein die, but you can’t let him testify. How do you accomplish these seemingly conflicting objectives?

    Faking his death and smuggling him out fulfills both objectives.

    Sure, it’s risky.

    Do you know what else is risky? Letting him blow the whistle on an Occult pedophilia ring that our global elites belong to. If that ever happens, more than a few of our elites might consider actual real-life suicide.

    The Israeli Mossad were daring enough to assassinate JFK (along with many other world leaders over the years) and even commmit the 9/11 attacks. Smuggling out Epstein seems trivial in comparison.

    The Israelis have been getting away with an absurd number of daring operations for so many decades. They know they have the government and media in their pocket, so no one would dare do critical reporting on them. I’d bet that’d embolden the Israelis to think they could smuggle out Epstein.

    Given the military background of Ehud Barak, he could have organized something like this. Perhaps with help from resourceful Jewish-Americans, such as Alan Dershowitz and Lexlie Wener. Not to mention support from the Clintons, Trump, Barr, and various other powerful people.

    I’m sure Trump gave Barr the order to provide minimal security to Epstein, with the hope that something would happen. Then something did happen (courtesy of the Israelis), but it was done incompetently. So after a few weeks of “suicide watch,” something happened again (again, courtesy of the Israelis). Successfully, this time.

    The only problem is that the Israelis, being utterly arrogant beyond all human comprehension, didn’t realize the U.S. govt and media wouldn’t be able to contain the fallout and get the Goyishe kopfs to stay away from “conspiracy theories.” The Trump administration, which is headed by a clownish oaf, didn’t realize this either. The terrified desperation of so many important people probably further encouraged them to take a risk.

    Back in 2001, there was evidence of dancing Israeli Mossad agents who were filming the 9/11 attacks. Those Mossad agents were released back home and faced no punishment, even while a conccurent investigation was being conducted into these extremely publicized terrorist attacks…….. If you’re Israeli, you’re used to doing insanely risky stuff and getting away with it. Even when you fatally screw up, you somehow still get away with it.

    So we should NOT assume that the Israelis are rational people. They’re not. They’re arrogant and bold.

    Logic only applies when you’re dealing with logical people. Illogical people (who usually are either extremely arrogant, desperate, or stupid) often don’t operate according to logic.

    I suppose that a real autopsy might reveal that Epstein isn’t the real Epstein, but let me ask you this. Who’s going to do the autopsy? You? Me? Any of the posters on this site?

    It turns out that we know the names of the doctors involved with the autopsy.

    The first doctor is Barbara Sampson, who is the New York Chief Medical Examiner. I don’t know about her ethnic background (she’s a NYC native who studied medicine), but she has an excellent relationship with the local Jewish community. Back in 2014, she initiated new protocols to accomodate the burial practices of Orthodox Jews. She was commended for this in front of a gathering of 200 Jewish leaders.

    See more here. https://collive.com/burial-procedures-will-be-eased/

    The other doctor is Michael Baden. He is a Jew and former Chief Medical Examiner of NYC. Epstein’s representatives have hired Baden to observe the official autopsy and conduct his own seperate independent autopsy. Baden is 85 years old and described as a “celebrity pathologist.” Given his “celebrity” status and age, he’s an odd person to do an autopsy.

    Isn’t it possible that these doctors (who both have connections to the Jewish community) could’ve played a role in the Mossad’s operation? Given how much Epstein is worth, both doctors could’ve been bribed with millions of dollars….

    Here’s another interesting point to consider.

    A Cornell professor of Organic Chemistry tweeted this. This was retweeted by the former CEO of Mozilla. Wouldn’t you agree that both men are very rational, intelligent, and level headed? Why would they tweet this?

    Here’s a final point to consider. After the fakery associated with the Bin Laden raid, is it really so far fetched that a faction of elites would participate in this type of risky operation with Epstein?

    We should all keep an open mind.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @lysias
    , @Ron Unz
  499. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @peterAUS

    [Slobodan Milosevic] was “taken care of” by a very simple play:
    You put a man in his sixties, with known medical issues, in high stress situation, feed him with prison food and deny proper medical care.

    This is how “they” – ultimately the ADL – killed Edgar J. Steele.

  500. @Achilles Wannabe

    Blackmail films will be usable if the threat of exposure has more weight than the threat of being prosecuted for having made the film. One can always deny having made the film but one can’t deny being the guy in the film.

    • Replies: @iffen
  501. renfro says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    What do Gentiles do wrong that that their 14 year old daughters are out roaming the roads at 1 am at night in Miami! Why don’t young Jewish-American girls do this? What is the difference? Why aren’t Jewish-American girls in peril of exploitation by Gentiles due to socio-economic conditions

    The reason you are a pervert is unknown. Clearly you have problems with women.
    But the reason you portray white gentile girls as trash, whores, etc. might be because you yourself are from sub class of lower white trash and that’s all you saw and know.

    There have always been young Jewish girls in prostitution.

    Teen ‘Crisis’ Detailed In Orthodox Brooklyn | Jewish Week
    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/teen-crisis-detailed-in-orthodox-brooklyn/
    Dec 10, 1999 – At-risk Orthodox Jewish teenagers in Brooklyn (involved in … the study found that prostitution exists among Orthodox Jewish girls in alarming…

    ‘My Experience Is Not Unique,’ Says Jewish Former Prostitute | Jewish …
    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/my-experience-is-not-unique-says-jewish-former&#8230;
    Apr 24, 2013 – A former prostitute who is Jewish and now in her early 20s, Sarah spoke on condition that her name not be revealed and that no photographs …

  502. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer

    The verb form “was suicided” represents a valid concept. Other victims who readily come to mind are Vince Foster, David Kelly (in the UK), and James Forrestal.

  503. @geokat62

    Despite his extreme views Patrick Little strikes me as a good guy and very bright. He’s right about how evil the 1960s radical-hippie culture was and how terribly we sold out the Vietnam vets. Now that he’s married he has to think about his wife and she may even want kids, so making a target of himself might not be as appealing as before.
    As for what the good news is, I don’t think this Invictus fellow’s white nat manifesto is a game-changer. I’ll believe in the existence of rightist infrastructure when I see it. Electorally, there are no white nat candidates and militarily the climate of opinion now would tolerate the immediate destruction of any paramilitary right.
    Little is not a white nat anyway, which is one of his good points. An ideology that pits whites against everyone else is not, in my opinion, a viable strategy. 50 years ago whites and non-whites coexisted a lot more amicably than today. Racial animosity has been intentionally fostered by white progressives, especially Jewish progressives, in order to provide an electoral engine for the Dems.

  504. @Jeff Stryker

    Prostitution is intolerably degrading in any sort of decent society. If it were stamped out the prostitutes could find work doing something else. Government programs could help with that. Sex is a tricky subject but the general rule is to support the connection between sex and family and discourage the commodification of sex as a recreational good or casual indulgence. We — especially women — are not wired to treat sex as just another recreation, like video-gaming. It’s too intimate and leaves too great a psychic trace.

    • Agree: Iris
  505. Jeff,

    This nobleman exploitation of the peasants is underscored by Prince Harry’s alleged presence.

    Wrong prince. It was Prince Andrew. Don’t accuse Harry of this kind of misbehaviour just yet.

  506. @Jeff Stryker

    I once knew a Jewish girl who was wayward and exploited. I have read it was not so uncommon in Europe among Jews facing hard times. In general, Jewish society is more tightly integrated and has a bunker mentality with Jews looking out for each other more energetically than gentiles. Where gentile society has historically formed a pyramid with the greatest number at the bottom, Jewish society in America and most other countries is a sphere or a pear-shape with the greatest number in the middle or upper portion, as measured by income and education. Hence Jews are more likely to have “middle-class values” including pride, disdain for lowly jobs, and respect for their own religious and ethical traditions.

  507. @neprof

    What’s the story on video surveillance? Rudy G and a guy named Preet who used to be some sort of corrections official assume that Epstein would have been under continuous video monitoring and we can just look at the tape to see what happened. Certainly, prisoners far less important than Epstein are continuously surveilled and recorded. Even a cheap laptop can do it. Failure to videotape him would itself be outrageous. But hardly any of the news stories mention this angle. Very frustrating. Banana republic is an understatement.

    Anybody know the facts regarding whether Epstein was continuously videocammed?

  508. @Mark James

    So rather than actually guard a suicidal prominent prisoner and make sure there is never another attempt, NYC fed’ prison just goofs off AND fails to record anything going on inside the cell. That’s just great.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This

    I keep saying that the cities are deteriorating. So is government at all levels in most places. This is an example. Organizations don’t do what they’re supposed to do (e.g. universities don’t educate, police ignore some crimes by some people, public health officials don’t ensure public health, power systems fail, etc.). That doubtless made killing Epstein considerably easier.

    Counterinsurgency

  509. @redmudhooch

    This sort of semi-literate writing was, back in the 1990s, quite successful in cowing readership who were trying to be polite to the obviously crazy member of the ruling coalition.

    It doesn’t work now, though. The “crazy” part of the evaluation remains, but the “member of the ruling coalition” and “polite” parts are gone.

    If you want to vomit, next time find a toilet.

    Counterinsurgency

  510. @Ron Unz

    If you assume he was an Israeli intelligence asset they would probably try to take care of him. I don’t know how much money he really had, since you don’t need money if others in the network, like Wexner, have it. But getting him out of that jail alive might have been possible if either the CIA or Mossad wanted it to happen, since NYC authorities would cooperate. It would be interesting to interview the people who handled the body.
    I doubt Barr will do any kind of thorough investigation since if there’s foul play he doesn’t want to know about it and if there wasn’t then he doesn’t need to. If someone wants to autopsy the body independently they can just be told it has already been cremated at Sid’s Crematoria and Discount Camera Shop.

  511. @FB

    Also notice the size of Epstein’s head…is he part fucking gorilla…?

    His mighty melon DWARFS the pea size heads of the EMT guys, even though they are in the FOREGROUND…

    This is actually starting to get funny, if you have the right sense of humor! On the level of “Elbonia’s worst air crash occurred last night. 500 are confirmed dead after a Cessna Cub crashed into the main cemetery of their largest city. Authorities are still digging, and the count is expected to rise.”

    Counterintelligence

    • Replies: @FB
  512. @Jeff Stryker

    Why aren’t Jewish-American girls in peril of exploitation by Gentiles due to socio-economic conditions.

    They used to be when the Askenazi arrived in the USA for the first time (and considerably before that in Europe). The Jewish establishment never really liked that, and my guess would be that they’ve put a stop to it. The White population, looking back on it, was stunned by the World War historical interval (public commenators said so often enough at the time), and since then has displayed all the cohesion and initiative of cattle in the chutes to a slaughterhouse. It can’t protect any part of itself just yet. Maybe later.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Alden
  513. Polly gives another Epstein cracker:Epstein wins Oklahoma lottery,2008 U.S. government bailout windfall,Gifted Iran Embassy by State Department,Epstein-Giuliani Pizza Connection,,etc.

  514. Robjil says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    What about this? If Jews did it the past, why can’t they do the same these days? This site is one of the few places that one can talk about what is going on in the present time.

    This article is from a Jewish site. It must have a been a much darker organization then even this article states. Some covering up was surely done.

    https://www.bh.org.il/blog-items/story-zvi-migdal-infamous-jewish-prostitution-cartel/

    Zvi Migdal, a large powerful Jewish international prostitution cartel in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

    A group of corrupted Jews were more than willing demonstrate patriotism, and started to deliver the goods – literally. The growing demand for women led to the establishment of “Zvi Migdal” – a large powerful prostitution cartel established and owned by Jewish immigrants from Poland. Named after one of the founders, it was one of the largest networks in the South America, with branches and connections in Shanghai, Johannesburg, Rio de Janeiro and many other places. At the peak of their activity they had tens of thousands of women working for them, some 2,000 brothels and a state of the art organizational mechanism working efficiently according to cruel mafia codes.

    Jewish girls in the past were caught by Jewish gangsters.

    The main wing was established in Buenos Aires, concealed as a charity society. They were called Ruffians (Spanish for pimps), they traded and abused and enslaved unsuspecting Jewish women, just for money. The cartel had an original marketing tactic: every once in a while a polite Jewish gentleman used to come to the Jewish communities in Eastern Europe and spread ads calling “Jewish girls from good homes” offering either jobs at homes of rich Jews in Buenos Aires, or marriage. Feminism was still at its beginning back then, and the career opportunities of young women were scarce, they usually could expect to be no more mothers and housewives – therefore they were easily tempted to respond to the ads.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @renfro
  515. @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, one can clearly see that it is not Jeffrey Epstein on that gurney in those images from the New York Post.

  516. Aangirfan has raised questions about Barbara Sampson who performed the alleged autopsy on Epstein . Did Epstein actually return to New York , intelligence agencies frequently use body doubles to deceive . New York was the perfect City to pull off the 9/11 false flag /psyop as it has a long history of corruption at every level of government and the judiciary .

  517. @Alden

    Is this the way you try to present arguments in a discussion? I am not interested in your – or any other debater’s – life, profession, age, like or dislikes, physical health, mental or emotional life. Any discussion that includes ad hominem attacks or imaginings about other person’s personality etc. is dead to me.

    As are you, safely put into ignore option. Pity I didn’t see this earlier.

  518. @GeeBee

    The Internet is defined by nihilism. Cat videos and nihilism. Okay, porn, cat videos and nihilism.

    “Our much-vaunted ‘democracy’ is the worst possible system imaginable. It was defined by Francis Parker Yockey as ‘the corruptibilty of public governance by private wealth’, and no better description of this appalling sham could be devised.”

    Since America sucks, of our contemporary 195 countries or the almost infinite historical governments, which would you point to as an approved example?

  519. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    Correction or clarification: I did not write what this site is or clarify it by saying so.

    What about this? If Jews did it the past, why can’t they do the same these days? This (Unz) site is one of the few places that one can talk about what is going on in the present time.

  520. @peterAUS

    I remember when Milosevic died and I’d mention that over lunch in white-collar/corporate environment. He WAS a head of state, European, White. I remember the jokes. And I was thinking (stupid, I know) the same: if they can do this to him, what can they do to me? Nobody else was, of course, at least where I was moving around (senior corporate management, that is…….or so I say).

    There is more to it. Milošević’s “fans” try to persuade the world that he was murdered because ….well, they’ll think of something.

    The truth about the Hague tribunal, without much analysis, is:

    1. it was, perhaps, 80% political court. An analysis would have shown that there were some serious war criminals indicted & convicted, some war criminals were not indicted at all, some innocent people were convicted etc. Anyway- it’s politics.

    2. Milošević’s trial was mixed. He was proven to be guilty of war of aggression & would have probably been convicted; on the other hand, his trial was frequently farcical because he was indicted for whole Greater Serbian ideology, which goes as far back as 150-200 years ago, which is evidently absurd.

    3. he was given proper medical treatment, although one can never be sure about these issues: for instance, Vojislav Šešelj, a convicted Serbian war criminal was left to go free to die in his country, since he was supposedly dying of cancer. Upon arrival- he miraculously regained his health. No cancer at all. Mladić, military leader of Bosnian Serbs, was also presented by Serbian press as in grave danger to health issues & the Hague was pressed to let him go to get cure in- Russia. It was ca. 3 years ago. No one let him go & lo and behold- he’s healthy & is serving his life sentence, without Russian medical help.

    4. Milošević was perhaps consciously ill-treated; perhaps he was even murdered. But, this was for the “greater good” of saving Serbia of crushing verdict of being guilty of aggressive war & forced to pay huge amounts of money that would put her back into stone age. Serbia barely survives now (economically, legally, ..). With guilty verdict for Milošević, she would become a black hole like contemporary Iraq. And nobody wants that.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Rurik
  521. alexander says:

    Dear Phil (and Ron Unz)

    It is extraordinary to find so many “child rape apologists”, speaking out in your article (Phil) on your website (Ron) .
    It is as though someone has launched a “pedophilia” is GOOD , Rape is not a CRIME ” campaign, right here on UR.

    I have never seen anything like it…..

    and I have never been so shocked and so disgusted .

    It is truly a shameful thing that those who openly endorse “child porn, child rape, and pedophilia” are allowed to walk around.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Alden
    , @renfro
  522. MLK says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Thanks for noticing. I was hoping someone would.

    Highest Marks for anyone who can tell me the reference without looking it up on the internets?

  523. @gsjackson

    To SolontoCroesus’s grand recollection & presentation of the Perry Como days, gsjackson offered: “Gracias. It is good to recall when we were “50 nifty united states from 13 original colonies.”

    Hey gsjackson!

    Above, 👍, thanks.

    Below, fyr is a very cute dance & song performed by very talented Colonel Bojangles and Shirley Temple.

    (Zigh( Jeffrey Epstein & his fellow Amerikan elite pedophiles would have gotten “rocks off” had Bojangles finished the routine by escorting little Shirley inside plush upstair room & allowed, let’s say, Senator LBJ to bang her, on camera.

    CAUTION: Although it could potentially provoke “Homelander” impulses for sex with underage White girls, the video (linked below) presents a nifty & beautiful tap dance while Stephen Foster’s (non-FEMA) “Camptown Races” plays in background.

  524. Sean says:
    @MLK

    Edgar Bronfman Sr. took NXIVM courses and let Keith Raniere (just convicted of trafficking and awaiting sentence) brand his daughters. Les Wexner let Epstein look after his money.

    It’s sad, but old men become like children.

    • Replies: @MLK
  525. Mevashir says:
    @Colin Wright

    Check this out by Dirtsnshitz himself (along with the readers’ comments below):
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-defend-clients-like-jeffrey-epstein/

    Dirtsnshitz is a narcissist who worships himself and then has the chutzpah to proclaim to the world how much he loves God.

    His tactics only work in a nation of deluded Christian morons who revere religious charlatans.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  526. Burticus says:

    Like every other article published by the corporate media cartel, this one starts with the assumption that Epstein is dead.

    It is equally possible that he was escaped, with the complicity of a corrupt federal government.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  527. melpol says:

    Thousands of inmates in the SHU would have killed themselves if it was possible. None did because there was no place to tie a noose. But if angered a few prison guards could do the killing and not be charged. Just spitting on a prison guard could lead to being suicided.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  528. Truth3 says:

    We the public will never know what Epstein was all about.

    We the Jew-Wise DO know.

  529. anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m over-epsteined.
    It’s like being over-caffeinated
    except fortuitously, it happened in August, the swampy-hottest ergo laziest month of the DC year when most people, who are sane or to preserve the last shred of their sanity, leave town.

    Go to the beach.

    Use sun block.

    Don’t eat oysters in a month without an R.

    See you after Labor Day.

  530. little & apparently underage Sean said: “It’s sad, but old men become like children.”

    Especially older, Viagra enhanced, & horned-up wealthy men can pay for sex with children.

    One can take a journey into the past, & read about the German-American author, Theodore Dreiser’s Chicago, and how “Sister Carrie (Meeb)” launched a potentially wonderful romance with an old tycoon, 🤑but suffered a tragic end.

    Post scriptum: Am curious as to “Sickago’s” powerful & elderly Zionist Mayor, Rahm Immanuel, and a possible “monkey business” & unaccountable connection to the, uh dearly departed, 🙄, Jeffrey Epstein.

    Selah, In gospel, The Christ advised, “become as little children,” but, selah, He did not recommend having sex with them.

  531. @ChuckOrloski

    Wanted to post an Agree to Alexander’s comment @538, and also Agree, or, Cheers, or Thanks for the Memories, ChuckOrloski, but had only one Agree to go around.

    This will serve.


    Alexander: Mr. Bojangles was elegance personified.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  532. @Corvinus

    Do you watch Rachel Maddow at night, Corvinus? It’s always, and forever, all about those EVIL RUSSIANS who stole the election from Rachel’s sainted Hillary. Trump secretly works for the Kremlin, and Putin is Hitler, right? Taking your theory a bit further, is that why Dershowitz, a lifelong liberal democrat, has been going on Fox since the election, defending Trump against all matter of charges lodged by his fellow democrats and the left-leaning other networks?

  533. @MLK

    The film “Marathon Man”, or the novel of the same title, of course.

    • Replies: @MLK
  534. @alexander

    Actually, an assault on our senses, especially our most precious one ‘common sense ‘.

    • Replies: @alexander
  535. @Jeff Stryker

    Short answer : find out what the word shiksa means.

  536. @alexander

    After listening to callers to C Span state that “schools need more mental health counselors because parents are not capable of teaching their children certain things, ” I came upon this very disturbing essay:

    Who Owns the Soul of the Child?: An Essay on Religious Parenting Rights and the Enfranchisement of the Child

    https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1781&context=facpub

    Its author, Jeffrey Shulman, teaches legal research and writing at Georgetown University’s night law school.
    The legal conflict involves a young girl who was religiously motivated to distribute tracts door-to-door during evening hours. Her minor status and “evening hours” violated local regulations concerning child labor. Her parent (actually, legal guardian) argued that the child was not engaged in “commerce,” covered by labor laws, but in expression of her religious beliefs.

    The court then had to decide whether the guardian had too much influence over the child’s religious beliefs.

    Shulman devoted most of the last part of the essay to arguments that schools — preferably public rather than private or religious or home-schools — and their teachers & other staff are the more appropriate institutions and parties to shape a child’s “soul”; parents’s influence are simply too narrow.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  537. @ChuckOrloski

    My Mom loved that scene and would watch the film, “The Little Colonel”, just to see the scene again. It’s very a impressive performance by both actors.

  538. https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    https://www.kirbysommers.com/blog-1/2019/7/30/department-of-state-rents-five-story-building-on-east-69th-street-to-jeffrey-epstein-in-1991

    Now then. Somebody can commandeer State Department assets to fit out pedo blackmailers. Somebody can dispatch State Department staff for gunrunning and domestic surveillance. Somebody can direct and conceal corruption at the state level and massive financial fraud in regulated markets. Somebody can protect and coordinate transnational organized crime with state and local governments including the judicial system.

    There is one (1) government agency chartered with impunity in municipal law, but but it’s not them! It’s a foreign government! The government agency that’s chartered with impunity has one (1) official job: watching foreign governments. But they didn’t notice any of the stuff this foreign government did.

    Right under our nose, gosh-darn it! Those wily Jews fooled us agin!

    How fucking stupid do you think we are?

  539. MLK says:
    @Sean

    Chinatown Quotes:

    Noah Cross: “You see, Mr. Gittes, most people never have to face the fact that at the right time and right place, they’re capable of anything.”

    • Replies: @Sean
  540. @Burticus

    Very plausible, Burticus figures Epstein ain’t dead.

    Agreed, Burticus.

    Linked below is video where former-PreZident Clinton, Epstein’s underage teenie girl ass-ociate,👯, pays homage to (dual citizen), Chicago’s “blacks-on-blacks, they is ‘gonna shoot ’em selves up,” Mayor Rahm Emanuel, as an honest & betterman.

    Selah, Pearl Jam, Eddie Vedder, “Ya can’t find a betterman,” uh, than Rahm?”😟

  541. @melpol

    I think it’s more likely that the guards were given huge bribes to turn off the surveillance cameras and look the other way. See no Evil, hear no Evil, speak no Evil. Another logical possibility is that Epstein’s food was poisoned.

  542. MLK says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Highest marks!

    Which is from the same. There are more than a few people in my life who were none too pleased when I used that phrase (“Highest marks!”) with them given that Szell says it to Babington right before torturing him with a dentist’s drill.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  543. Miro23 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    From Epstein’s POV this is pretty good. He’s 66 (with too much heat) and it’s time to retire. So he requests that they get him out:

    – He’s arrested (big surprise – How did that happen?)

    – Goes to jail.

    – Gets removed from jail and declared deceased.

    – Flies out the US.

    – Has lunch Bibi and is thanked for his contribution.

  544. lysias says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    All day Saturday, the Washington Post did not permit comments on any of its Epstein articles on line. Yesterday, Sundat, comments wede allowed.

    I think they were afraid of what the public reaction would be. Perhaps it took a day to make sure that, on a weekend, they had enough shills commenting to swamp the comments sections.

  545. Alden says:
    @JRB

    You’re right, Portchester.

  546. lysias says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Nobody was raped? If leading politicians were blackmailed through the operation, democracy and we citizens were raped.

  547. lysias says:
    @Cowboy

    The whole truth about the JFK autopsy is available to be read by anyone who wants in the five volumes of Douglas Horne’s “Inside the Assassination Records Review Board”.

  548. Alden says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Soliciting prostitution is procuring and pimping as well as a customer paying and a prostitute being paid. In most American states procuring has harsher penalties than the hookers and customers. There’s various reasons for this. One being that many prostitutes are recruited and start as underage teens. Another being that pimps often treat the girls very very badly including killing them. Another is robbing customers, drugs.

    Pimps are seldom convicted or even charged.

    I don’t make the laws. I wasn’t the one who made the age of consent in Florida 18 instead of 16. Nothing to do with me It’s the law in Florida and Epstein and Virginia Roberts lived in Florida and violated Florida laws.

    Epstein pled to the lesser charge rather than face. a trial for the major charge, running a huge under age prostitution business.

    • Replies: @Sean
  549. @iffen

    I am waiting to hear what Tucker Carlson has to say on this issue, Monday night (EST).

  550. Truth3 says:

    Soon, the phrase “Epstein has left the building” will replace “Elvis has left the building”.

    Epstein sightings (Tel Aviv, Bermuda, Hong Kong, DC, NYC, etc.) will be commonplace.

    Epstein-like characters will become a steady feature of Israeli True Crime / Romance Novels.

    Mossad will keep politicians hopping on one leg forever with ghosts of Epstein videos.

    Americans should demand to see the body… if it hasn’t already been fed to Netanyahu’s pet sharks, or safely and alive in a Herzliya penthouse under Mossad watch.

    • Agree: Patrikios Stetsonis
    • Replies: @Miro23
  551. Alden says:
    @Twodees Partain

    You keep ranting away that under age prostitution should be legal. All I’ve done is state the laws about pedophilia. the ages of consent and prostitution. If you don’t like the laws lobby your state legislature to legalize prostitution and lower the age of consent.

    I didn’t make the laws. I didn’t make the age of consent 18 in one state and 16 in another. I didn’t make the penalties for sex with a 13 year old harsher than sex with a 16 year old.

    If you want to change the law in your state feel free. But don’t fight with me about those laws. I didn’t make them

  552. alexander says:
    @the grand wazoo

    Right!

    May I add our sense of “moral decency”,……. as well.

    What is this all about, anyway ?

    It is not just about Jeffrey Epstein, and his acts of debauchery, however criminal and disgusting they may be .

    It is about the fact that up to TWO THOUSAND people involved in OUR government, some among the highest rungs of power , ……may, in fact , be CHILD RAPISTS !

    This is simply NOT OKAY with the American People.

    It is not okay AT ALL !

    THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THEIR POLICIES EITHER SHAPED OR DECIDED…. BY PEDOPHILES !

    They really don’t.

    It is simply NOT acceptable.

    This is WHY the FBI will be pushed ….BY the taxpayer ….EVERY SINGLE DAY…..to put these people OUT of commission….on a permanent basis!

    And it WILL NOT END until the taxpayer is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SATISFIED !

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Art
  553. Alden says:
    @Skeptikal

    Freud, Kinsey, Hite have been exposed as complete frauds Beauvoir pimped her high school students to Sarte. Given his physical appearance it was difficult as the girls were repelled. Beauvoir also stayed with Sarte all their lives although he refused to marry her because the Sarte’s were slightly higher in the class system than the Beauvoirs. Some Marxist’s they were.

    Fraud defended molestation of toddlers because he claimed all toddler girls wanted to play with Daddy’s penis.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  554. FB says: • Website
    @Counterinsurgency

    Aw come on now…you’re making a bit much out of this aren’t you…?

    Nothing ‘unusual’ about having a largish head…nothing at all…

    Here’s Epstein in happier times…greeting a visitor to his Eastside mansion’s ‘romper room…’

  555. @KenH

    I think that it’s more likely that Epstein is resting in Tel Aviv than resting in peace,

    • Replies: @KenH
  556. Sean says:
    @MLK

    Tell that to the authors and commenters here. They think that no man is capable of conceiving and actualizing any plan, whether for suicide or sexual satisfaction, without being at the bottom of a reverse pyramid of elaborate allied support organisations (the Mafia, corrupt politicians, CIA, Mossad and the Justice Dept) . If you are willing to die you can kill anyone, including yourself!

    • Replies: @MLK
  557. Alden says:
    @Paw

    Generally no cameras in cells because the inmates would break them, use the pieces as weapons.

  558. Republic says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    A secret grand jury indicted him, a couple of days prior to his arrival in New Jersey.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  559. Alden says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    He’d just wants to sneer at all of us who managed to make it in America despite stagnant wages and affirmative action.

  560. Alden says:
    @alexander

    I agree completely. It’s disgusting to read the posts by dirty old men arguing that the age of consent should be lowered and teen prostitution be legal.

  561. @Republic

    Republic (not an “Empire”🤗) informed me:
    “A secret grand jury indicted him, a couple of days prior to his arrival in New Jersey.”

    Thank you.

    In a reverse-Charles Lindbergh transAtlantic flight from France, 🙄maybe a secret “Grand Jury’s” ancillary part gave Epstein a heads up 🙄 that Federal police along with other unnamed cops were going to arrest him at the NJ Peterboro Airport.

    Fyi, my Brother Republic, I cannot find the identity of the other police team who joined with the Feds during Epstein’s arrest.
    If you do, please let me know? Am curious if the NJ Bergen County police were involved, as they were the ones who hauled in the “dancing Israelis” for talks.

  562. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:

    • LOL: Truth3
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  563. MLK says:
    @Sean

    Its been obvious to me at least that Giraldi has been enlisted to play a distraction role. I don’t think he’s a terrible guy. Just No Profile In Courage as he’s been mostly keeping his head down and mouth shut about the seditious plot against the POTUS.

    The Epstein Sage, as Giraldi playfully refers, was resuscitated for a reason at this moment.

    I look for tells and there are innumerable ones present, and not just in timing. For example, he is universally described as a “pedophile” without qualification. A term generally reserved for children younger than teenage girls.

    Did that term find any mainstream traction — let alone ubiquitous mention — re the Podestas et. al. even though those leaked emails were replete with what is officially asserted to be just some pedo joking and kidding?

  564. Haha. Playing now on Fox News & CNN are reports about PreZident Trump’s & A.G. Barr’s having “amplified” problems concerning Epstein’s jailhouse suicide.

    Hm. Plot thickens. 🇮🇱

    Maybe a repackaged Sirhan-Sirhan killed him? Or an illegal immigrant, ex-Iranian Revolutionary Guard (pin-striped) ne’er do well wacked Epstein? 🤔

    Selah, Save Orgy Island, blockade Persian Gulf!

  565. Sean says:
    @Alden

    Epstein pled to the lesser charge rather than face. a trial for the major charge, running a huge under age prostitution business.

    It was neither a business or huge. He made no money, and in fact spent a fortune on it. It all happened in the early 2000s which was also when he gave 6 million dollars to Martin Nowak’s research institute. Both the high school hooker and evolutionary biology philanthropy were likely the result of his sudeley being super rich from massive embezzlement of Wexner’s money. But in 2005 Wexner decided to sack the disgraced Epstein as his money man and the auditors realised the money was not there that should have been, and made Epstein give it back (maybe as much as half a billion) and to add to Epstein’s woes he had to pay tens of millions in compensation from his dwindling pile to the girls. No one talks about those girls becoming millionairesses as part of the deal.

    Nor is being mentioned that it was in the aftermath of Michael Jackson’s acquittal for sex with a minor under 14 years old, that the prosecution gave Epstein that 2007 deal rather than have him fight it at trial. It was no slam dunk whatever anyone involved (police not prosecutors) tries to pretend.

    Then the other month the Feds got him on the big trafficking charges for the same time period. But note they again were prosecuting only one person: him. He had already pleaded on 20o7 pled guilty to the central allegation in the new charges, so this time it was a slam dunk. But only for him.

    Wexner revealing the other day that he had been swindled by Epstein and got massive restitution from him was probabally motivated by the fed saying that they had found documentary evidence that Epstein was worth 500 million. Les knew that was likely to be assets Epstein had stolen from him and been forced to give back. So he made it clear the money was never legitimately Epstein’s, (and don’t try coming after it). Dershowitz has always said that Wexner’s money is the real target of the double dipping teen hooker whose allegations about royalty, PMs and other VIPs including a president we hear so much about

    • Replies: @Alden
  566. iffen says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    The idea is always to obfuscate

    Finding one or more conspiracies under every rock is the cosmic obfuscation.

  567. iffen says:
    @jack daniels

    Good point, but why take the risk. He had plenty of money and all the sex that could buy.

  568. @Haxo Angmark

    Roger Stone’s book on LBJ and the JFK assassination was his masterpiece.

    His book on Nixon was totally useless and boring—-barely paid attention to all the important findings of the great revisionist writing on Watergate–almost hard to believe the same guy wrote both books.

  569. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You two “Bardon Kaldian” and “Jeff Stryker” would say anything on this forum to lead away from the main point of the article: J. Epstein was (is?) Mossad agent running a dirty Mossad blackmailing operation on the US territory. The operation involved underage girls.
    You two, as if damaged by a mohel, have been posting your fantasizing about “female sexuality” and the declarations “the lower class girls exchanged sex for money.”
    Have your mothers ever talked to you about the perils of teenage years?

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Alden
  570. Herald says:
    @Sean

    It beggar’s belief that those wishing to further the official narrative can’t come up with something better than this sort of garbage. Have you no shame?

  571. Ron Unz says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Epstein might have had a deadman’s switch that would reveal all his secrets. So it’d be important to keep him alive, while still keeping him from talking or communicating.

    You can’t let Epstein die, but you can’t let him testify. How do you accomplish these seemingly conflicting objectives?

    * * *

    A Cornell professor of Organic Chemistry tweeted this. This was retweeted by the former CEO of Mozilla. Wouldn’t you agree that both men are very rational, intelligent, and level headed? Why would they tweet this?

    Well, it’s certainly possible that I’m wrong and Epstein is still alive. But I still think that’s rather unlikely.

    Here’s something to consider. Over the last hundred-odd years, there have been numerous cases of famous people who allegedly escaped official death, from Princess Anastasia and Adolf Hitler to various more recent examples. But as far as I’m aware, not a single case every turned out to be solidly documented, which suggests these things are more difficult to pull off in real life than in fiction, even including all the various drug lords who had billions of dollars and networks of loyal supporters. Can anyone think of a single prominent faked-death case that turned out to be reasonably proven?

  572. JimDandy says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You’ve obviously never been to a music festival.

  573. JimDandy says:
    @Alden

    Beauvoir and Sartre were actually open activists against age of consent laws.

    • Replies: @Alden
  574. Ron Unz says:

    In looking over a couple of these Epstein comment-threads, it’s interesting to notice that various regular commenters whom I’ve always suspected of being pro-Israel shills operating under very deep cover have clearly unmasked themselves. I think that development tends to suggest the enormous importance of the Epstein case…

    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @utu
    , @Truth3
    , @Mevashir
  575. Amanda says:

    Dr. Steve Pieczenik’s take on Epstein:

    OPUS 167 Mossad Epstein Connection

    OPUS 170 Epstein’s Parodoxical Death?

    • Replies: @Tony Ryals
  576. JimDandy says:
    @Ron Unz

    There’s a difference here, Ron. A high-ranking member of the U.S. government was told by his superiors that Epstein was “intelligence.” My feeling is that he almost certainly was intelligence. If he was a Mossad asset/operative that would put him in a very different position than a rich drug dealer. If the CIA, with the help of other government organizations, was intent on getting him out, I think such an operation would be very achievable.

    That being said, like you, if I had to bet, I’d bet that he’s dead.

    • Replies: @alexander
  577. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    Can anyone think of a single prominent faked-death case that turned out to be reasonably proven?

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Ayman al-Zawahiri, likely Saddam Hussein too.

    The FBI has entire programs to change peoples identity and give them safe haven. How many of these had cover created by a faked death? We would never find out unless some very powerful person explicitly wanted us to know.

    Every time a crypto-jew, or a jew, changes his name this is also a form of faked death. Robert Maxwell was just another goy murdering jew until he got his start in MI6 and changed his name. Can we not admit that the old “Czech” jew who relished torturing German officers at Spandau was allowed to “die” and be “reborn”?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, Mevashir
    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @Iris
  578. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    I am certain that I am not alone in wishing that you would provide us with a list, especially if my handle is on it.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @iffen
  579. @Ron Unz

    An intelligent & worldwise question, Ron Unz asked: “. Can anyone think of a single prominent faked-death case that turned out to be reasonably proven?”

    Not me, Ron.

    Nonetheless, and as I grew up in a 1950’s working class West Scranton neighborhood, primarily Polish, Lithuanian, & Italian people, I heard about “Jewish lightning” having struck local businesses, homes, and the lucky owners made off with big insurance “killings.”*

    Consequently, for me, it’s only a mild stretch to figure how Supreme “Jewish lightning” took out Epstein,🙁 and both he and the “Deep State” remain intact & harbor the spoils of the ruthless Information War against Amerika.

    Thanks for joining & having added “Premium” fuel to this article thread’s very unique, riveting, and proliferating conversation!

    * Compare/contrast; Larry Silverstein and a “Jewish lightning” experience.

  580. renfro says:
    @Robjil

    Jewish girls have always been involved in prostitution and still are today

    ..Teen ‘Crisis’ Detailed In Orthodox Brooklyn | Jewish Week
    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/teen-crisis-detailed-in-orthodox-brooklyn/
    Dec 10, 1999 – At-risk Orthodox Jewish teenagers in Brooklyn (involved in … the study found that prostitution exists among Orthodox Jewish girls in alarming…

    ‘My Experience Is Not Unique,’ Says Jewish Former Prostitute | Jewish …
    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/my-experience-is-not-unique-says-jewish-former&#8230;
    Apr 24, 2013 – A former prostitute who is Jewish and now in her early 20s, Sarah spoke on condition that her name not be revealed and that no photographs …

    • Agree: Robjil
  581. alexander says:
    @JimDandy

    The point is , if he is dead, he should NOT have been allowed to either commit suicide or be “suicide-ed”.

    Given the monster dump of files last week, and the number of implicated individuals, the FBI is correct if they interpret Epstein’s death as a form of “obstruction”and start to hunt down the possible culprits.

    We should all be able to find out pretty quickly who they are , no ?

    How long does it take for a half dozen FBI agents to speak to every prison guard on rotation ,as well as the warden, the food staff and the infirmary personnel?

    How long does it take to subpoena their emails and cell phone records over the past two months ?

    How long does it take to seize all the video footage, both in and around the cell..as well as the cell block ?

    It seems that what “good ” law enforcement will do…is “close the circle” around Epstein, like a vice, then squeeze it …..until it leaks, or squeaks..somewhere.

    Then move the circle outward from there, until they get some answers.

    It should all go pretty fast, given the technology we have today, at our disposal.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @utu
    , @JimDandy
  582. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    “…pro-Israel shills operating under very deep cover have clearly unmasked themselves.” – No matter the cost even including the coming out as defenders of sex with children and pedophilia.


    “…that development tends to suggest the enormous importance of the Epstein case…”
    – Yes, absolutely.

    Still the most important question remains unanswered: Why and who really decided to bring Epstein case back to light?

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @renfro
  583. Truth3 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz…

    This is why I suggested to you a “HASBARITE” button to go along with AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC.

  584. utu says:
    @alexander

    This is logical and reasonable what you say but the problem is that we may not have good or even “good” law enforcement to do it. The law enforcement will be engaged in the cover up and some of the low level culprits like guards and prison employees involved in Epstein’s murder will suffer unfortunate accidents.

    • Replies: @alexander
  585. @alexander

    “This is WHY the FBI will be pushed ….BY the taxpayer ….EVERY SINGLE DAY…..to put these people OUT of commission….on a permanent basis!”

    You do realize that the function of the FBI is to protect these people, don’t you?

    • Replies: @alexander
  586. @Bardon Kaldian

    I agree with you and a lot of people don’t understand certain facts.

    1) Jeffery Epstein was not running a ring for pedophiles nor had any affinity for it. Pedophilia stem from an attraction to girls or boy in pre-puberty. Most girls and boys enter puberty around 11-12. Epstein took interest in girls in early puberty from 12 to 14 which show us he had hebephilic tendencies. The age of consent across Latin America is 12-14 years old and 14-16 across Europe and parts of Asia and Africa. Although the age of consent is 16-18 in the US it is not the case in the rest of the world. As you correctly writes. Most of these young women have been from 15-25 years old and most of them poor teenagers, prostitutes, porn stars and actresses.

    [MORE]

    We also know that Epstein and the others didn’t kill or hurt these girls as this would be a major risk. We also know pedophiles the risk would be enormously high. What Epstein circle did was to within certain legal limits. What he did was to introduce young prostitutes and younger women to politicians, celebrities, bankers and people in important positions who couldn’t access them securely in their private life. A politician who buys 19 year old Mexican girl even if it is legal in Mexico would have to resign from office. Epstein offered these services in a private high-end environment. All of this of course without much risk as police and in particularly with activity which is borderline legal.

    2) Yes, you are very correct that this look like a “sex ring” he set up with friends. We talk about politicians, celebrities, bankers, academics and other with some influence over policy and money. I have no doubt Bill Clinton and even royalties were involved. Hence, a lot of important names but was Jeffrey Epstein an agent for Israel? Well, we do know he was protected by important people and this is why he could continue with his hobbies. He was picking up 19 year old prostitutes in Las Vegas and flow them to his Island.

    3) How he made is money is obvious. He made is money on Wall Street through trading and corporate world. He wasn’t a billionaire but had around 500 million dollars which is enough to have a lot of friends in the political, academic and corporate elite. He had one foreign pass port. Who set him up with it? Well, apparently it was Austrian and I wouldn’t be surprised if some people in the European elites were involved. Was Israel involved? I don’t know but they do keep track on rich Jews. Was he murdered? I have no doubt he was either murdered in prison or outside of prison. Why? Well, he did have information on very important people.

    You are correct insofar that this sex ring was mostly a legal affair as illegal affairs is often much more problematic and murdering people or have a sex ring for pedophiles will eventually get you caught. I think the legality of his circle is why this could go on for so long time. The “Pizza Gate” conspiracy theory was completely insane. I have no doubt there was some truth in it – that politicians bought prostitutes but the trolls and other idiots blew it to pieces to the amusement of the media.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  587. Mevashir says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Funny idea coming from a guy best buds with Alex Cockburn, one of the biggest apologists for the 9/11 Zionist Terrorist Charade in the “alternative” media.

    We actually have no idea why you created this website forum and what your real purposes are.

    For all we know you could be funneling our emails and ISP addresses to Mossad.

    We have every right to wonder if you are really with UNS.

    But of course, like with inEpstein’s death, we will never know, will we?

    It’s your website and you can do whatever you want with it.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @peterAUS
    , @annamaria
  588. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Cowboy

    I just heard a blurb on RT where they said 20,000 people have had identity changes through FBI witness protection. A large proportion of those involved faked deaths. The question for Ron Unz would then be:

    Of the thousands of identity changes performed through FBI witness protection, how many do the public now know about? Would that be a significant or a minute proportion?

  589. renfro says:
    @alexander

    I agree….until coming to unz I had never seen a collection of people who were so open (although anonymous) about their sexual depravities. I thought these types hung out on porn sites or those incel sites. No matter what the subject they always work some sexually degrading comments about women in the threads. And this defending of child and teen sexual abuse?….that is way beyond the pale.
    I think they get off on having a audience for it …so I’m hitting the block button, so should everyone else.

  590. Art says:

    Epstein alive is a danger to the security state.

    A living Epstein just begs credulity – everyone with power wanted him dead. He was an embarrassment to the Jews and he made fools of the US government. Alive, he was the gift that kept on giving to the enemies of the security state.

    (Epstein had the opportunity to fly to Israel from Paris. Instead he came here to certain imprisonment. Why?)

  591. utu says:
    @Cowboy

    You can make your own list. You know of Jack D and Lot who are overt and are chiefly assigned as commissars to police Sailer’s commentarial. The ones who are in deeper cover are: Sean, Bardon Kaldian, Sean McBride, Dr. Robert Morgan, Jeff Stryker… who spread over the spectrum from the end of the conscious operators to the useful idiots end.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  592. alexander says:
    @utu

    I think the American People did, utu, that’s who.

    The bombshell coverage in the Miami Herald regarding the utter contempt for basic jurisprudence, shown by the prosecutor in the original Florida case , had the American people up in arms.

    And I bet they are even angrier now, at the prospect that Epstein’s “child-raping” co -conspirators might slink off , untouched, into the “pedo-night”.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  593. alexander says:
    @Bill Jones

    Hahahaha…..

    Right, almost forgot!

  594. @SolontoCroesus

    The name of the author tells me everything I need to know.

  595. iffen says:
    @Cowboy

    I am certain that I am not alone in wishing that you would provide us with a list, especially if my handle is on it.

    That would be clarity and that is like kryptonite for some.

  596. iffen says:
    @Mevashir

    For all we know you could be funneling our emails and ISP addresses to Mossad.

    I checked the last time that I was at central and he’s not.

  597. Martens at Wall Street on Parade : “Jeffrey Epstein’s death adds to the JP Morgan body count.”

  598. @Alden

    You are complete fool and destroy an important subject. Although the U.S set the age of consent high it is as low as 12 across Latin America and 13-16 in Europe and some Asian and African countries. Jeffrey Epstein was not targeting children (at least not viewed as such from most countries on the planet) but girls above 13. His victims were not pre-pubertal. He was borderline hebephilic which is something very different from a pedophile. Have you heard about the Marc Dutroux case in Belgium? He kidnapped raped, tortured and murdered children for a couple of years and the police got him. I don’t talk about downloading or trading illegal pornography on the internet which gives you a fine in most countries outside of United States.

    [MORE]

    Marc Dutroux was kidnapping, raping and murdering children and when you do the police will not turn a blind eye against such activities as there will be parents, siblings, relatives, teachers, friends and neighbors involved. The reason why Jeffrey Epstein could run his sex ring was because it was mostly legal. Yes, a couple of underage girls around 14-16 was involved but the age of consent in the U.S is in many states actually 16. The police will seldom hunt someone (if she does not report it) who is above 18 and having sex with high school girls but they will hunt someone down who has sex with kindergarten children. If Epstein had been murdering, raping and kidnapping he would have been done as dinner after a couple of years even in his own circle. What is important here are three things;

    1. Yes, he had a sex-ring and some of the girls was underage (in the U.S but not in the rest of the world)

    2. Yes, people who took part in this was politicians, judges, academics and many others

    3. Yes, there is some evidence that he may be an Israeli agent (willingly or unwillingly) who sold or gave information to them

    That he was murdering children like Dutroux or that he was a pedophile is complete bull shit and typical for people who want to distort reality like the Pizza Gate affair. Obviously, politicians were buying sex from prostitutes and people like Alex Jones made into conspiracy theory destroying every ounce of evidence and sanity.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  599. Ahoy says:

    The Epstein case is uniquely important, compared to other dark cases like JFK, 9/11, SS Liberty, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonking incident. It is an attack on the very essence of life on earth. The spread and depth of blatant immorality in America surpassed even perverted minds.

    Add to this that this onslaught on human morals was aided/protected by Government Agencies and the mixture becomes explosive.

    I expect a wave of distractions, both here and abroad.

    A possible benefit of this monstrous case is to finally get the American off his couch and the two feet on the coffee table and realize that this guy is about to blow up the earth.

  600. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Can’t say I disagree, mostly (80%….).

    Hehe..I guess we ARE on the same page with

    ….Milošević was perhaps consciously ill-treated; perhaps he was even murdered..

    My take is: he was definitely improperly treated/ill-treated. Semantics.

    An interesting point about “greater good”. Depends, I guess, who defines that “greater good”. Wait…let me guess: the people who put together the Court. The people who rule us as we speak.

    Hehe…..maybe they can, for the greater good, of course, round up all those disagreeing with the paradigm and yapping against it. Could make proles/plebs uncomfortable. Most of us, here, for example. Make a court for it. Yes, 90% will play the game for mercy/leniency. And, those 10 % not willing to play it could be…what’s that…ah, yes…” ill-treated” in prison.

    Good plan.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  601. @Jeff Stryker

    It’s called economic inequality you sleazebag.Do you really think these non Jewish white girls YOU SPEAKI OF would actually prostitute themselves to old Jewish men or old non Jewish men for that matter if they weren’t economically disadvantaged ? Do you not realize that these economically disadvantaged young girls would on average choose a young boy their own age or at the very least someone who was attractive to them if they had the same level economic playing field and would not be victims of money for sex or sex slavery if they were wealthy Jewish girls ? They might even choose a Molim boyfriend just because to them it is taboo to their parents. So what ? What kind of pervert are you and are you really involved in pornographic films as one poster here speculated or or you a different Jeff Stryker ? Did you miss the fact that Epstein wasw trafficking girls from Eastern Europe and one of his planes has a CIA or Dyncorp connection ? You are the scum of the earth.

    • Agree: Alden
  602. renfro says:
    @utu

    Still the most important question remains unanswered: Why and who really decided to bring Epstein case back to light?

    It was pushed by the Miami Herald reporter who covered Epstein’s first conviction in Fla. She kept investigating why Epstein got off with the nothing sentence he got. The Miami Herald even hired private investigators to help pursue how Epstein got off. When Acosta ‘s part in agreeing to go easy on Epstein was revealed and Acosta now being a Trump appointee that kicked up the scandal even more .
    They were demanding Epstein be retried……enter the NY DA since some of Epsteins doings had taken place in NY …and then Epstein became a ‘wanted man’.

    The Miami Herald has some kick ass investigative reporters.

    • Replies: @utu
  603. JimDandy says:
    @alexander

    Yeah. That’s why “The Dancing Israelis” were ultimately allowed to return to Israel. Right?

    • Replies: @alexander
  604. renfro says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think he’s dead too….after all the exposure he’s gotten he’s not worth anything to any intelligence operation or for any other purpose.

    • Replies: @lysias
  605. Art says:
    @alexander

    This is WHY the FBI will be pushed ….BY the taxpayer ….EVERY SINGLE DAY…..to put these people OUT of commission….on a permanent basis!

    It would require the J-MSM for that to happen.

    Hmm — why are the three people who reopened the Epstein case in Florida not national heroes? Why are they not on every TV news program touted as patriots and heroes?

    The Jews want the memory of Epstein to die – the faster the better.

    (When is using the Epstein name going to be anti-Semitic?)

    (Drudge had eight stories on Epstein today – only one time was the “Epstein” name used in the headlines.)

  606. peterAUS says:
    @Mevashir

    For all we know you could be funneling our emails and ISP addresses to Mossad

    You’d need to brush up your knowledge about how the Internet works re IP addresses.
    More importantly, where the sites like this are hosted. How datacenters hosting such sites work.

    There are around zillion places where “IP and email” address can be captured, with ease. The owner of this site is just one of them.

    Thinking that Five Eyes (or your own country’s related outfit) don’t know your physical location, name etc. as we speak if they want it….is NAIVE to the extreme.

    As “…..what your real purposes are.” you could be onto something here.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  607. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @utu

    Jack D and Lot who are overt and are chiefly assigned as commissars to police Sailer’s commentarial.

    Well it took Sailer about 1 week to block my comments. If those guys are allowed to comment at Sailer then I must assume that Sailer is a limited hangout.

    Sean, Bardon Kaldian, Sean McBride, Dr. Robert Morgan, Jeff Stryker

    I never or rarely read these guys comments. Spending the effort decoding comments becomes very tiresome. This is the same with pop entertainment. I rarely watch any “entertainment” because of the effort required to decode it. On this score you have my mitleid, Ron Unz.

    If I was a jew, and all the entertainment created by jews was laced with hidden anti-goy pearls and treasures this “entertainment” might be more fun. If I watched it with stupid goyim who laughed at jokes made at their expense, I would likely laugh twice. But when I know that the purpose is to demoralize me before I even start listening or reading, I don’t bother.

    All this crap, whether it comes from Hollywood kiddie porn farm or a Tel Aviv hasbara mind control farm, just takes too much effort to try to decode to get at the truth. This is clearly deliberate.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  608. lysias says:

    @Ron Unz

    The wikipedia page on “Faked Death” lists something like a dozen instances.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Carlton Meyer
    , @Iris
  609. @Amanda

    And Pieczenik also has skeletons in his closet as would be expected of a yes man for Henry Kissinger.Takes one to know one as the saying goes……..

    U.S. diplomat writes about Moro killing – UPI.com
    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/03/11/US-diplomat…/83361205278622/
    Mar 11, 2008 – Steve Pieczenik, a hostage negotiator, said in a book, “We Killed … committee headed by Italian Interior Minister Francesco Cossiga. Moro, who served as prime minister from 1963 to 1966 and from 1974 to 1976, was killed by

    US envoy admits role in Aldo Moro killing – Telegraph
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/…/US-envoy-admits-role-in-Aldo-Moro-killing.html
    Mar 11, 2008 – Aldo Moro, the former Italian prime minister, who was seized at … Steve Pieczenik, an international crisis manager and hostage … In a new book called We Killed Aldo Moro, Mr Pieczenik said he was sent to Italy by President …

  610. anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    [The CIA would have had no interest in compiling dossiers on prominent Americans,…..]

    Nearly choked on that one. HAHAHAHAAAAA

  611. lysias says:
    @renfro

    If he dies, that means they don’t protect their operatives. That’s a major consideration to intelligence agencies.

  612. @peterAUS

    There is no mystery here. US & Europe didn’t act to stop Serbian aggression (nothing would have happened had just 6th Fleet shown their muscles). Then, with war in Bosnia & Herzegovina, because of Muslims & globalization off crisis, things became ungovernable,

    The Hague court was founded with 2 functions: to wash guilt of the West for their passivity & cooperation with Serbs at the beginning (and for bombing them at the end, in 1999) & to control the ups & downs in ex-Yu countries; basically, it was a tool for manipulation of geo -political & military & economic agenda. Americans paid over 70% of the court, so when some broad who was the chief prosecutor imagined she could indict the US for bombing Serbia in 1999-she was very easily “persuaded” to change her view.

    So, it was an American court, with British & and sometimes Dutch sidekicks.

    The tribunal’s basics were:

    a) local Serbs are completely guilty in Croatia, but Serbia proper- not, or very, very superficially; local Serbs completely guilty in Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia somehow guilty; Serbs completely guilty for Kosovo

    b) Croats completely guilty in Bosnia & Herzegovina; Croatia somehow guilty against Muslims

    c) Muslims in Bosnia & Herzegovina innocent, only minor transgressions

    d) Kosovo Albanians completely innocent

    As for Milošević, the profile of indictment was such that it would/could result in Serbia being convicted for war of aggression on Croatia and B & H. In the case of Croatia, the war damages/reparations are anywhere from $ 40 billion to $ 255 billion. If seriously legally pursued, Serbia would collapse into some kind of African chaos, with total societal collapse, demographic black hole & geo-strategic vacuum.

    Therefore, in order to save Serbia (and European order)- Milošević had to go.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Robjil
  613. @Robjil

    Theses crazy (((f*ckers))) and their Goy knee boys probably robbed a zoo somewhere and dropped these “prophetic” foxes right where they need to be. Just like NASA, if you can’t make it, fake it.
    https://i1.wp.com/aniotaoftruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/You-cant-keep-it-real-with-fake-people.-v2-8×10.jpg?fit=1200%2C1500

  614. utu says:
    @renfro

    Ok, ok. We know about Miami Herald and the “kick ass investigative reporters” but the question is why it was not nipped in the bud. Somebody high up green lighted Miami Herald to proceed. Somebody who hoped for a particular benefit from Epstein’s affair.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Sean
  615. Sean says:

    https://www.wexnerfoundation.org/blog/the-new-zionist-dream

    It would take an extremely poor businessman to be unaware of losing that kind of money and that much property unless his name were Donald Trump.

    Giraldi seems to be hinting that Wexner was funding a Mossad operation. Quite possible I suppose. But involving Ehud Barak? And he is the obvious candidate for the “well-known prime minister.” that Virginia Roberts / Giuffre’s “well-known prime minister.” she had sex with as part of her work for Epstein. Dershowitz has said Roberts has accused the former majority leader of the United States Senate, the former Prime Minister of Israel, the former ambassador to the United Nations, and the inventor of artificial intelligence, as well as Leslie Wexner of having sex with her while she was working for Epstein.

    I would really like someone to explain to me how anyone at Mossad could get authorisation for an operation that would implicate one of Israel’s top two political figures, even though they could easily be warned off, and also expose Wexner, a generous contributor to Israeli charities, to about the worst allegation that could be made about a man. You might as well say the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin was an official Mossad operation.

    Trump avoids tax by going bankrupt and bilking his creditors, he employs many Orthodox Jews, and one is a specialist in this tactic. David M. Freidman. Friedman became the U.S. ambassador to Israel on May 15, 2017 when he presented his credentials to Israeli President Reuven Rivlin. This sounds legit, Friedman ran rings round the IRS and Trump rewarded the Orthodox Jew and Zionist fanatic with a job that would please the hard line Zionist contributors to his campaign. he also gave them recognition of Jerusalem as capital.

    You may not have noticed but Donald Trump has been implicated in the Epstein scandal, which came from an article by a journalist from a Miami newspaper. A combination of pressure from advertisers worried about as stories with anti Semitic implications and paying of a few people off or even Epstein being ‘suicided’ in a timely fashion were all available. The Israel lobby could not have got a story squashed in Florida? Did they even try?

    My belief that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence agent is based principally on Acosta’s comments when being cleared by the Trump transition team. He was asked “Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” … “Acosta testified that he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had ‘been told’ to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. ‘I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.’”

    That sounds more like a private meeting than sworn testimony. Acosta has never said anything like under oath, in public or again, and I think that is because he just lied to the transition team. He certainly could not have said anything pertaining to Epstein running a blackmail operation against his acquaintances because Trump hung out with Epstein a lot at one time and Epstein having kompromat on those he socialized with (like Trump) is hardly going to be something to mention to Trump’s own people to reassure them.

    Virginia Robert’s lawyers also represent Sarah Ransome, another employee/ masseuse/ kept woman of Epstein’s who met him in 2006 when she was 22 years old. In 2016 she told the NY Post that she had a sex tape of Donald Trump.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Alden
  616. Ron Unz says:
    @Ron Unz

    A few people have suggested that the recent mass shootings were engineered by the “Deep State,” and upthread I’d mentioned why that didn’t make any sense based on the timing. If they’d come a few days *after* Epstein’s death, they would have effectively pushed the latter event off the headlines, but coming a week earlier, had much less impact. However, there’s a different connection that seems perfectly plausible to me.

    All those successive mass shootings are such a big story that they’re still going strong and dominating the national me