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The angst over the Jamal Khashoggi murder in the Saudi Arabian Consulate General building in Istanbul is already somewhat fading as the media has moved on in search of fresh meat, recently focusing on the series of attempted mail bombings, and currently on the mass shooting in Pittsburgh. But the affaire Khashoggi is still important as it potentially brings with it possible political realignments in the Middle East as well as in Europe as countries feel emboldened to redefine their relationship with Saudi Arabia.

The Turks know exactly what occurred in the Consulate General building and are now putting the squeeze on the Saudis, requiring them to fess up and no doubt demanding compensation. Some sources in Turkey believe that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will actually demand recreation of the Caliphate, which the Kemal Ataturk led Turkish Republic’s government abolished in 1924. That would diminish Saudi Arabia’s ability to regard itself as the pre-eminent Islamic state due to its guardianship over the holy sites in Mecca and Medina. It would be a major realignment of the Islamic umma and would be akin to a restoration of some semblance of Ottoman supremacy over the region.

To be sure, the brutally effective Turkish intelligence service, known by its acronym MIT, is very active when it comes to monitoring the activities of both friendly and unfriendly foreign embassies and their employees throughout Turkey. It uses electronic surveillance and, if the foreign mission has local Turks as employees, many of those individuals will be agents reporting to MIT. As a result, it should be presumed that MIT had the Consulate General building covered with both cameras and microphones, possibly inside the building as well as outside, meaning that the audio of the actual killing that has been reported in the media is no doubt authentic and might even be supplemented with video.

One recent report, on BBC, indicates that CIA Director Gina Haspel has traveled to Turkey and has been allowed to hear the recordings of Khashoggi being tortured and killed. It’s a good thing the Trump White House sent Haspel as she would know exactly what that sort of thing sounds like based on her own personal experience in Thailand. She will presumably be able to explain the operation of a bone saw to the president.

So the Saudis seem to be in a hopeless situation, but they have several cards to play. They have many lobbyists of their own in Washington that have bought their way into think tanks and onto editorial pages. They are also in bed with Israel in opposition to Iran, which means that the Israel Lobby and its many friends in the U.S. Congress will complain about killing Khashoggi but ultimately will not do anything about it. The White House will also discourage America’s close allies from adopting measures that would do serious damage to the Saudis. In regional terms, Saudi Arabia is also key to Trump’s anticipated Middle East peace plan. If it pulls out from the expected financial guarantees aspect, the plan will fall apart, so Washington will be pressing hard on Ankara in particular to not overdo its bid for compensation.

All of which leads to some consideration of the hypocrisy of the outrage over Khashoggi. Saudi Arabia murdered a citizen in a diplomatic facility located in Turkey, apparently because they believed that individual to be a dissident who was a threat to national security. They then seriously botched the cover-up. In spite of all that, it would seem that the issue involves only two parties directly, the Saudis and the Turks, though there have been calls from a number of countries to punish the Saudis for what was clearly a particularly gruesome murder carried out in contravention of all existing rules for behavior of diplomatic missions in foreign countries.

The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic and Consular missions grants to Diplomats a certain level of immunity in foreign posts, but that does not include murder. In consular posts, like Istanbul, consular immunity only extends to officials who are actually performing consular duties when an alleged infraction occurs. I know from personal experience how subjective that process can be as I was arrested by Turkish police when I was the U.S. Consulate duty officer in Istanbul while looking for a missing American who turned out to be a drug dealer. The Turks weren’t sure what to do with me as I was Consular so I spent 24 hours playing cards with the prison governor before I was released.

The hypocrisy comes in when the U.S. Congress and media become enraged and demand that there be “consequences,” in part because Khashoggi was a U.S. legal resident and therefore under law a “U.S. person.” Saudi Arabia is, to be sure, a country that most would consider to be an undesirable destination if one is seeking to eat, drink and be merry. Or just about anything else having to do with personal liberty. An absolute dictatorship run by one family, it has long both relied on and been the exporter of the most backward looking and unpleasant form of Islam, Wahabbism. But for the fact that the Saudis are the world’s leading exporter of oil, and, for Muslims, guardian of the religion’s holy sites, the country would long ago have been regarded as a pariah.

But that said, Congress and the White House might well consider how the rest of the world views the United States when it comes to killing indiscriminately without fear of consequences. President Barack Obama, who has practically been beatified by the U.S. mainstream media, was the first American head of state to openly target and kill American citizens overseas. He and his intelligence advisor John Brennan would sit down for a Tuesday morning meeting to revise the list of Americans living outside the U.S. who could be assassinated. To cite only one example, the executions of Yemeni dissident Anwar al-Awlaki and his son were carried out by drone after being ordered from the White House without any due process apart from claimed presidential authority. Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also attacked Libya, a nation with which America was not at war, destroyed its government, and reduced the country to its current state of anarchy. When its former ruler Moammar Gaddafi was captured and killed by having a bayonet inserted up his anus, Hillary giggled and said “We came, we saw, he died.”

The United States is also supporting the ongoing war in Syria and also enables the Saudis to continue their brutal attacks on Yemen, which have produced cholera, starvation and the deaths of an estimated 60,000 Yemenis plus millions more threatened by disease and the deliberate cutting off of food supplies. And the White House looks the other way as its other best friend in the Middle East, Israel, shoots thousands of unarmed Palestinian demonstrators. Overall one might argue that if there is a smell in the room it is coming from Washington and one death in Istanbul, no matter how heinous, pales in comparison to what the U.S. itself, Israel and Saudi Arabia have been doing without any pushback whatsoever.

And then there is the small matter of actual American interests. If Washington persists in going after the Saudis, which it will not do, it will presumably jeopardize future weapons sales worth tens of billions of dollars. The Saudis also support the system of petrodollars, which basically requires nearly all international purchases of petroleum to be paid in dollars. Petrodollars in turn enable the United States to print money for which there is no backing knowing that there will always be international demand for dollars to buy oil. The Saudis, who also use their own petrodollars to buy U.S. treasury bonds, could pull the plug on that arrangement. Those are actual American interests. If one pulls them all together it means that the United States will be looking for an outcome to Khashoggi’s slaying that will not do too much damage to Saudi Arabia.

So, what do I think will happen as a result of the Khashoggi killing? Nothing that means anything. There are too many bilateral interests that bind the Saudis to Europe and America’s movers and shakers. Too much money is on the table. In two more weeks mentioning the name Khashoggi in Washington’s political circles will produce a tepid response and a shake of the head. “Khashoggi who?” one might ask.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

 
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  1. llloyd says: • Website

    This searching for a missing American in Istanbul sounds like the Billy Hayes story of Midnight Express fame. I saw a report on Chinese television last night, Netanyahu will be making a diplomatic visit to Oman. When I was living in Oman ten years ago, I was warned never to mention the word Israel. Interesting how that will pan out.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Garreth Smith
    , @Moi
  2. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    One recent report, on BBC, indicates that CIA Director Gina Haspel has traveled to Turkey and has been allowed to hear the recordings of Khashoggi being tortured and killed.

    From what I’ve read about the sadistic Haspel, after listening–or maybe even watching–the dismemberment of Khashoggi–imagine she had to excuse herself to go to the ladies room to change her wet undies, due to her getting over-stimulated watching a fellow human being tortured to death.

    • Replies: @Robert Pinkerton
    , @Anon
    , @Moi
  3. Miro23 says:

    The Saudis also support the system of petrodollars, which basically requires nearly all international purchases of petroleum to be paid in dollars. Petrodollars in turn enable the United States to print money for which there is no backing knowing that there will always be international demand for dollars to buy oil.

    I would emphasize this aspect, except that MbS doesn’t so much support the PetroDollar as the PetroYuan, and this is more than troubling for the US since the PetroDollar is essential to the dollar’s world reserve currency status.

    Many American economists have expressed alarm at Saudi Arabia’s willingness to borrow in Chinese yuan, as Riyadh’s decision could cause other oil-exporting countries to abandon the U.S. dollar in favor of the “petro-yuan.” A marked decline in the use of the U.S. dollar as the preferred credit-issuing currency by oil-producing countries would greatly weaken the U.S. dollar’s long-term viability as a global reserve currency.

    As the United States views its alliance with Saudi Arabia as the lynchpin of its Middle East strategy, Washington will likely react strongly if Riyadh uses its influence within OPEC to strengthen the Chinese yuan. As Saudi Arabia remains dependent on U.S. arms sales to pursue its geopolitical objectives in the Middle East and counter Iran, intense U.S. pressure would likely cause Riyadh to distance itself from Beijing, limiting economic integration between the two countries.

    https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/the-risks-of-the-china-saudi-arabia-partnership/

    It is no coincidence that these statements from the Crown Prince come days after the official launch of China’s Petroyuan. As every historical trend indicates, the world’s most powerful economy dictates which currency will be used in most international transactions. This continues to be the case with the US in respect of Dollar, but as China gets set to fully overtake the US as the world’s leading economy, the Dollar will inevitably be replaced by the Yuan.

    China’s issuing of oil futures contracts in Petroyuan is the clearest indication yet that China is keen to make its presence as the world’s largest energy consumer known and that it would clearly prefer to purchase oil from countries like Saudi Arabia in its own currency in the future, quite possibly in the near future.

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince appears to understand this trajectory in the global energy markets and furthermore, he realises that in order to be able to leverage the tremendous amount of US pressure that will come down on Riaydh in order to force Saudi Arbia to avoid the Petroyuan, Riyadh will need to embrace other potential partners, including China.

    More than anything else, the Petroyuan will have an ability to transform Saudi Arabia by limiting its negative international characteristics that Muhammad bin Salman himself described. As a pseudo-satellite state of the US during the Cold War, Muhammad bin Salman admitted that his country’s relationship to the US was that of subservience. China does not make political let alone geopolitical demands of its partners, but China is nevertheless keen to foster de-escalations in tensions among all its partners based on the win-win principles of peace through prosperity as articulated on a regular basis by President Xi Jinping.

    Thus one could see China’s policies of political non-interference rub off on a potential future Saudi partner, in the inverse way that the US policies of ultra-interventionism are often forced upon its partners. Thus, whatever ideological views Muhammad bin Salman does or does not have, he clearly knows where the wind is blowing: in the direction of China.

    https://astutenews.com/2018/03/29/saudi-crown-prince-muhammad-bin-salman-blames-america-for-spread-of-wahhabism-as-petro-yuan-beckons/

    If the Khashoggi Affair was planned as a warning to Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman, then the US knew exactly what was going to happen in the consulate. It was coupled with an immediate and orchestrated MSM reaction that was curiously detailed, and delivered at high volume.

    • Replies: @Bianca
  4. I think you botched this one Phil. The MIT/MI6/CIA narrative is exponentially exploding with stupidity. As of a day or so ago we now have a Saudi intelligence agency so dumb they kill Khashoggi at a known appointment he won’t return from, pointing the finger direct to themselves, broadcast the event with Khashogggi’s own electronic device, ON TOP OF having been tipped off the British are monitoring what they’re up to BEFORE the killing. My pet squirrel monkey could do better than that (if I had one.)

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2018/10/24/the-khashoggi-murder-howls/

    ^

    • Replies: @Simon in London
  5. Art says:

    What about MBS – what is going to happen to him?

    Trump wants MBS for a Palestinian peace plan.

    Israel wants NO peace plan that seeds any land to Palestine.

    Who is stronger Trump or Israel?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  6. Hillary giggled and said “We came, we saw, he died.”

    Hillary did no such thing, she cackled and said “We came, we saw, he died.”.

    • Replies: @Anon
  7. Realist says:
    @llloyd

    This searching for a missing American in Istanbul…

    Khashoggi was a resident….not a citizen.

  8. Realist says:

    Eleven Rabbis have told Trump he is not welcome in Pittsburgh unless he denounces white nationalism.
    More anti white Jews.

    Trump will likely cave.

  9. Da Wei says:
    @Realist

    They’ve got a lot of damn gall. Still, he has to stay alive. I’m not speaking politically.

  10. @Greg Bacon

    Maybe I am connecting dots without intrinsic connection, but when I hear about Gina Haspel, I think of a personage of the Odessa CheKa during the Red Terror, by name Rozalia Zemlyachka, nee Salkind.

  11. US knew exactly what was going to happen in the consulate.

    I doubt the US knew “exactly”, but they likely knew something bad (a kidnapping perhaps?) was a strong probability. Alas I wish Khashoggi had been warned. Too it seems very
    odd he was willing to set foot in a Saudi embassy anywhere? Maybe Director Haspel can explain
    things at some point to a Congressional committee in 2019?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  12. chris says:

    Yeah, the US will never get rid of the Saudi regime but will always be dangling the sword right above their necks, and not just figuratively.

    Besides the tangible benefits of the ‘strategic’ control of oil resources, which the US believes it needs to control in order to dominate Western Europe and its Asian allies, the Saudis also function as the CIA’s private slush fund for off-the-books operations like Iran-Contra and many others which surface in the news from time to time. Thus, the CIA controls such vast sums through the Saudis as to make their budgets effectively limitless.

    During his triumphant tour of the US earlier this year, the Saudi King said something which I found shocking and incredibly revealing in the way the story dropped like a stone making absolutely no ripples anywhere in the MSM, nor in the alternative media for that matter.

    When asked about Saudi funding of Wahhabism around the world, he said that ‘the allies (presumably US and UK) had ‘asked’ the Saudis to ‘use their resources’ to create the Madrassas and Wahhabi centers to prevent prevent inroads in Muslim countries by the Soviets (a premise which is very questionable in the ME context after the fall of Nasser).

    Now that seems to be the story of the century because it reveals the operating method of the CIA wrt the Saudis. And even though MBS was trying to only reveal the distant roots of the system they put in place, there is absolutely no logical reason why any part of this system would have been subsequently dismantled; 911 notwithstanding. The continuing US/Israeli support for and generous use of jihadis in Libya, Syria, etc. only reinforces this point.

    This is ultimately the greatest impediment to anything changing the status quo.

    • Replies: @Moi
  13. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:

    I cannot vouch for any of the contents in the below group of URLs they are interesting to say the least.
    on the issue of Yemen

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/10/30/578509/Yemen-Saudi-Arabia-death-toll

    On the issue of Kashoggi
    Kashoggi’s Message in a Bottle, Will We Get It?

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/20/kashoggi-s-message-in-a-bottle-will-we-get-it/

    20.10.2018 Author: Jim Dean Column: Society Region: Middle East

    On the issue of Ergodan
    May be that Ergodan knows for certain what happened …

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/10/28/578383/Khashoggi-chemical-weapons-yemen

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/20/kashoggi-s-message-in-a-bottle-will-we-get-it/

    @ Greg Bacon (2 above) from url.journal-neo.org this quote..
    “… his [Kashoggi] Apple watch recording device, synched up to his iPhone with his finance’ outside, we would not have the amazing evidence of his murder that Turkish officials have been dangling about with leaks to keep world’s attention on the story. ” Interesting how this has not reappeared since Haspel visit.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1037378/Khashoggi-murder-news-saudi-arabia-chemical-weapons-use

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/18/saudi-arabia-s-great-tumbling-down-the-boy-who-wanted-to-be-king-is-no-more/

    I don’t think presumption is required.. if the journal-neo article is correct.. ” it should be presumed that MIT had the Consulate General building covered with both cameras and microphones, possibly inside the building as well as outside, meaning that the audio of the actual killing that has been reported in the media is no doubt authentic and might even be supplemented with video.”

    On the girl friend issue..
    One of the articles I ran into a few days back but after Haspel arrived in Turkey said the girl friend turned down an invitation to the white house ( i have not seen, c/n remember where, nor have i seen that anywhere but the once).. not really important but interesting.

    Kashoggi demonstrate governments t/b/e tools of big business and the keepers of the slaves they govern.

    • Replies: @Christo
  14. virgile says: • Website

    If the consulate was bugged , the Turks must have known the plan to abduct kashooggi.
    They let it happen, and now that the abduction turned into a murder, they are accomplice.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  15. Miro23 says:
    @Mark James

    US knew exactly what was going to happen in the consulate.

    I doubt the US knew “exactly”, but they likely knew something bad (a kidnapping perhaps?) was a strong probability. Alas I wish Khashoggi had been warned. Too it seems very odd he was willing to set foot in a Saudi embassy anywhere? Maybe Director Haspel can explain.

    Supposedly Khashoggi’s smart phone picked it all up and filmed his own murder ??

    More likely the room was prepared, and Khashoggi was following US instructions/assurances in going there. The key point from my POV was the immediate MSM blanket coverage with every detail explained. No investigation, research, doubts or questions.

    The US MSM is a propaganda tool and they were pre-prepared, so some US deep state group knew that Bin Salman’s bodyguard was heading to the consulate and what they planned to do there (and maybe even set them up to do it).

    One question is whether the Halloween show was aimed at removing Bin Salman or just getting him back in line.

  16. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greg Bacon

    With that imagination you maybe have a nice little specialised niche in the Percy porno video market.

  17. Z-man says:

    The fault to all this lies with the ‘Clown’ Prince MBS, the Idiot Savant looking, psychotic ‘future’ ruler of SA. If I were the ruling family I’d get this guy out of there asap. Maybe they’ll have to wait until the father is gone but it should be done ‘post haste’. Hopefully they’ll put a more forward (modern) looking despot in charge but I won’t hold my breath.

  18. APilgrim says:

    One (1) dead radical Islamic Caliphatist?

    Why not 1,000,000,000?

    Muhammadans are incompatible with civilization, particularly Western Civilization.

    • Troll: Mike P, Z-man
    • Replies: @Druid
    , @anon
  19. @Ronald Thomas West

    Have you met many Saudis? I find this entirely credible. Especially as they will get away with it.

  20. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Is the difference between her being described as cackling and as giggling such a major one that you have to adamantly deny her giggling?

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @NoseytheDuke
  21. Agent76 says:

    Oct 23, 2018 Sky News reveals the remains of murdered journalist Khashoggi have been found

    The body parts of murdered Jamal Khashoggi have been found, according to Sky sources.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  22. Agent76 says:

    Oct 24, 2018 Mohammad bin Salman’s speech took the tone of an outraged leader rather than an alleged suspect

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince has given his first speech since the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-10-24/saudi-prince-vows-to-protect-turkey-ties-after-khashoggi-death

    • Replies: @chris
  23. @Realist

    In 2018 the population of Pittsburgh was 306,500.

    Pittsburgh is estimated to be home to 306,500 people, with a metro area that has a population of 2.36 million. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/pittsburgh-population/

    Were any of these 11 rabbis on any ballot in Pittsburgh? What elected positions do they hold that entitles them to represent the wishes of the other 306,489 Pittsburgh residents and taxpayers?

  24. RodW says:

    Just a point of fact: Gaddafi was killed by being shot. He was tormented by having a knife stuck up his bum.
    The Saker’s site has some very interesting analysis of the Kashoggi case.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  25. Amanda says:

    Sibel Edmonds has been following this story from Turkey (she speaks Turkish) and posting her thoughts and findings on twitter. She seems to think this is about some kind of soft coup (get rid of MBS b/c getting too cozy with Russia/China, Euroasia). Sibel also says Khashoggi was actually in Istanbul working with some kind of Soros NGO, maybe for future Color Revolution/Arab Spring in the Middle East.

    Sibel Edmonds @sibeledmonds As Predicted (OnRecord) One Of 3 Objectives in #Scripted #Khashoggi Case: Get #Trump- Replace BS #RussiaGate with #SaudiGate. (Screenshot Coming In Reply)- – “Khashoggi fiancee hits at Trump response, warns of ‘money’ influence”

    Sibel Edmonds‏ @sibeledmonds Oct 27
    Very Important #Khashoggi Continued: #Khashoggi Relocated To #Turkey To Be a Part of a Business-ThinkTank-NGO. He set up a business here. He opened Bank Accounts. He bought a house/expansive Flat. He traveled to #London from #Istanbul paid handsomely by #Neoliberal #DeepState …

  26. @llloyd

    I saw a report on Chinese television last night, Netanyahu will be making a diplomatic visit to Oman.

    This is four days old new. Netanyahu has already been to Oman and back. Three days before Netanyahu arrival, President Abbas was in Oman. Now, Netanyahu minister is coming to Oman for follow up.

    When I was living in Oman ten years ago, I was warned never to mention the word Israel. Interesting how that will pan out.

    This is news to me, and why Arabs are shown for not desiring Peace. Oman has unopened Israel Embassy, which was supposed to be opened as soon as Rabin signed the Peace Treaty, but unfortunately Rabin was murdered by an Israeli Jew. Six months before his death Rabin visited Oman, and the Israel Embassy is still there as being the property of Israel, like other Embassies are properties of their contries. However, now the flag and board has been removed after so many years.

    Arabs are peace loving people!

    • Replies: @anon
  27. Durruti says:

    “And the White House looks the other way as its other best friend in the Middle East, Israel, shoots thousands of unarmed Palestinian demonstrators.”

    But let there be 11 Israelis -er – American Jews killed, and the Zionist owned Mainstream brainwashing Media will never let us hear the end of it. Interesting; they rarely mention the slaughter of Palestinians or others. As an example of their hypocrisy, the Zionists do not recognize the Armenian holocaust committed by Turkey. Stopped Hollywood Obomber from going & laying a wreath. The Kardashians went instead.

    Does this raise any questions?

    https://triblive.com/local/allegheny/13221932-74/active-shooter-drill-planned-for-thursday-in-squirrel-hill?fbclid=IwAR1ieUnGFcqk2eq733IkfS0cCeQsiqErFGxTbK-mO6Pat1pB–RGtffcnbQ

    False Flag?

    False False Flag?

    WTF?

    Huh?

    And all those bombs to Democrats (just before the election), bombs that did not explode (not even one). Oh! those were Safety Bombs.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @Paul C.
  28. Netanyahu pays secret visit to Oman

    In first-of-its-kind meeting in more than 20 years, PM Netanyahu, accompanied by Mossad Head Yossi Cohen, his Foreign Ministry director, and other defense officials visits the sultanate with which Israel doesn’t have diplomatic ties; Israel and Oman publish joint statement saying ‘ways to to advance the Mideast peace process’ were discussed.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5380544,00.html

    • Replies: @anon
  29. Moi says:
    @llloyd

    I lived in Muscat when there was not a single paved street. And I’d run into the uncle of the current “sultan” on a dusty street and we’d exchange greetings.

    How things have changed–for the worse….much worse. Easy, unearned wealth has ruined these bastards.

  30. Moi says:
    @Greg Bacon

    The only other thing that has this effect on her is when she is close to the Orange Queen.

  31. Moi says:
    @Anon

    Witches cackle. Big difference.

  32. Moi says:
    @chris

    Wahhabism is not Islam but a distortion of Islam….and jihad (struggle, exertion, effort) can never be for something that is bad/evil (in spite of what many Merkans think).

    • Replies: @Druid
  33. So, what do I think will happen as a result of the Khashoggi killing? Nothing that means anything.

    @Dr. Giraldi,

    Khashoggi matter is still cooking. Minimally, I can think of 3 benefits:

    1. Both KSA and Qatar will reconcile, and the GCC will come together, meaning KSA, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE and Oman.

    2. The war in Yemen will be stopped as Oman is not participating in this war of GCC against Yemen, and Oman is demanding Peace.

    3. GCC which has six countries, will become seven countries as Yemen will be brought in the fold of GCC. The only country SW of GCC cannot be left isolated and be by itself. KSA has to learn not to steal Yemen’s Oil as Oman will see to it. Yemen is on the Western border of Oman.

  34. @Moi

    I lived in Muscat when there was not a single paved street. And I’d run into the uncle of the current “sultan” on a dusty street and we’d exchange greetings.

    How things have changed–for the worse….much worse. Easy, unearned wealth has ruined these bastards.

    Wow, the Peace Loving people are called, bastards. People are still living under a rock.

    Under Obama, the JPOA the initial and sensitive negotiations with Iran were conducted in Oman under the secrecy of the Omani Government. Oman is friends to all, including Yemen and Iran and it doesn’t have any enemies.

    The King of Oman is the most benevolent ruler, and he is loved by all his citizens. One example of this “unearned wealth” is that Oman has the 5th best medical system in the world and it is all free. Now, in Western Countries it will be at least called Socialism if not Communism, giving back the “unearned wealth” to its’ citizens, and not just to Sam Walton.

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Christo
    , @Moi
  35. Moi says:
    @Garreth Smith

    Spoken like a regular American :-(

  36. Realist says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Were any of these 11 rabbis on any ballot in Pittsburgh? What elected positions do they hold that entitles them to represent the wishes of the other 306,489 Pittsburgh residents and taxpayers?

    Exactly my point. Shows hubris of many Jews.

  37. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Garreth Smith

    Israel is always seeking peace . Never faltered ,never deviated ,never failed to announce in each and every megaphone ,how much they love peace . They actually claim it while slaughtering people ( sometime it says :” don’t force us to kill you ” ) .

    Using Oslo, the Israelis entered the realm of acceptability and captured the peace dividend while throughly dismantling the Oslo peace process .

    Yes, you are historically right – Arab has sought peace many times over only to be rebuffed,hoodwinked, and maligned .

    • Agree: Garreth Smith
    • Replies: @lysias
    , @renfro
  38. @Moi

    I lived in Oman for a couple of years in the 1980′s; compared to Dubai, it was very laid back and also less wealthy. The Sultan is rumored to be gay (he studied at English public schools and Sandhurst too, I think)and without heir. The succession, I’m told will be decided by some complicated system where 2 separate wills or directives secretly stored will be reveal the next sultans name. This will definitely lead to claims of forgery and chaos.
    Anyway, it’s an interesting country, a hotter version of Ladakh and Tibet without snow but the same rocky barren moonscape, except Salalah. And the official religious sect is neither Sunni nor Shia but some other.

    • Replies: @chris
  39. Jamal Khashoggi did not die for nothing. His murder was part of the plot to push current de-facto ruler of the Saudi royal crime family aside.
    On the moral side, considering who Khashoggi was, one can only say “serves him right”. However, all the other players involved, the Saudis, Israel, Turkey, and the US, are by no means morally superior to him. His murder and essential non-reaction by others are useful, as these events unmasked the hypocrites, who are showing their true colors even as we speak.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  40. @SolontoCroesus

    Hey SolontoCroesus!

    Don’t know if you’re much into film, but am wondering if you watched the 2006 movie, “V for Vendetta”? In my judgement, it is very important for US citizens to do so, for the sake of awareness of coordinated evil in their midst.

    Fyr, linked below is the film “trailer.”

    Curious how US military terror attack (emergency response) drills occurred on 9/11, and apparently 9 months prior to the Pittsburgh Tree of Life attack.

    Thanks & all goodwill, S2C.

  41. Cyrano says:

    I think that it was all a terrible misunderstanding. The Saudis thought that they enjoyed diplomatic impunity under the Geneva Convention. One small letter can change everything. Someone should have explained the difference to them.

    On the other hand, I think that the Saudis displayed remarkable discretion for which they should be applauded. They choose to secretly kill and butcher Khashoggi, instead of their favorite way of execution – publicly with a sword. Imagine if they did it like that – chop his head off on some street corner in Istanbul? I can see the outrage of the bleeding hearts liberals if they went ahead and performed the execution according to their culture and tradition.

  42. Skeptikal says:
    @RodW

    “Gaddafi was killed by being shot. He was tormented by having a knife stuck up his bum.”

    Was any attempt ever made to apprehend and try those who tortured and murdered Gaddafi?
    Much of this event was video’d.
    There must be identifiable people on that video.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  43. @ChuckOrloski

    Hello Chuck,

    Thanks for the film trailer.

    I commented on the “Who is Bowers” thread about one Dr. Cohen’s visit to Bowers in the hospital, where Cohen observed that Bowers “was not too bright,” and “heard noises” that he responded to.

    Honestly, Chuck, if one is conspiracy-prone, as I am, “hearing noises” provides more fertile material than a 9-months distant military exercise.
    Although — nothing should be ruled out: our adversary has a 2000 year history in the Dept of Dirty Tricks.

  44. @SolontoCroesus

    Hi again, S2C,

    Should have added that the Kashoggi murder & extremely strange aftermath, dulled US political response, smacks of a scene from the film “V for Vendetta.”

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  45. JLK says:

    If I were the Saudis, I’d watch my wallet.

  46. @Skeptikal

    Who would be prosecuting and trying these criminals? The same criminals who destroyed Libya, thereby opening the floodgates for “refugees” to Europe? A hyena trying a spider for being predator? Does this seem logical to you?

  47. @SolontoCroesus

    Were any of these 11 rabbis on any ballot in Pittsburgh? What elected positions do they hold that entitles them to represent the wishes of the other 306,489 Pittsburgh residents and taxpayers?

    It appears that Israel Ambassador Ron Dermer to USA being a dual citizen born in Miami Beach, Florida was on the ballot in Pittsburgh. No one received the President at the Airport when he arrived in Pittsburgh, but when he arrived at the Synagogue unaccompanied by any Pittsburgh resident, he was received at the Synagogue by Ambassador Ron Dermer.

    I wonder if Pittsburgh has become a Territory of Israel?

    Supposedly, according to CNN both Louis Farrakhan and the President are racists and antisemitic as said in one breath.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Art
  48. chris says:
    @Agent76

    “Saudi Arabia is carrying out all of the legal procedures to investigate and present the guilty to trial,”

    You can certainly admire his very opportunistic sense of justice, if only to lament the contrast between his present diligence and that of his dad after 911.

    Who knows, maybe back then, they were asked to go easy on themselves in order to obscure their role as patsy.

    • Agree: Agent76
  49. Canute says:
    @Realist

    It’s just a matter of time until the Pittsburgh death toll is placed at 6 million.

    • LOL: Z-man, Realist
  50. chris says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    The Sultan is rumored to be gay

    That would certainly explain the under-the-radar treatment his country has received. He must be a wholly owned subsidiary of the empire. This certainly explains Yahoo’s visit there last week.

  51. renfro says:
    @Garreth Smith

    Dermer isn’t US citizen any more. He had to renounce it in 2005 to serve as Israel’s economic envoy in DC. Dermer, born in Miami, moved to Israel after college then moved back to US then back to Israel. He was a Republican party operative while in the US.

    The same for Michael Oren Israel ambassdor to US, born in NJ. Upon assuming Israeli citizenship, he changed his last name from “Bornstein” to “Oren”. He renounced his American citizenship in 2009 upon his nomination as ambassador to the United States, since Israeli law prohibits international representatives from holding dual nationality. He like Dermer went back and forth between living in US and Israel.

  52. renfro says:

    Visit the US for One Day and Get Your Israeli Children US Citizenship

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5213147

    The U.S. State Department is withholding American citizenship from the children of American parents who were born abroad and never lived in the States, according to an American-Israeli immigration lawyer currently fighting dozens of such cases.

    A., a 34-year-old American-Israeli, said she received U.S. passports for her first five children based on the proof she produced that she had visited there often.

    “They never asked for anything,” said A., who asked her name be withheld because she fears repercussions from the State Department. “When I arrived with my sixth child, with exactly the same documents as always, they asked me when I lived in America. When I explained to them that I never really lived there, the clerk put a big X on my file. I told him, but I have five children who are U.S. citizens. So he said, well, we might have to review their files and might take away their citizenship.” A., who lives in a suburb of Jerusalem, was able to get her files cleared up after getting a letter from an American camp she had worked at as a teenager stating that she had been a salaried employee. Others were not so lucky.
    “My sister was not able to get a passport for her younger children – because she didn’t work at that camp”. “She has been back and forth many times, she actually spent more time there than me – she even rented a home there. They asked her to bring a rental contract, but when she brought it, they said it’s not enough, because she only rented the apartment for half a year.”

    Children of foreign-born U.S. citizens who are denied automatic citizenship have another way to attain American passports. Children under the age of 18 who were born abroad to an American parent can get naturalized if they have a grandparent who lived in the U.S. for at least five years. However, the children and the parents have to appear at an office of the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services in the United States.
    “There is really no reason why I should have to shlep the entire family to America, it’s a hassle and it costs a lot of money,” said N., of Jerusalem, who was unable to get his children passports here although he and his wife are American citizens. “But if we can’t do it any other way, I guess we’ll have to do just that. It’s very important for us that the kids get American passports.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  53. @Anon

    Yes. Giggling is normally associated with children, often being uncontrolled and usually quite harmless whereas cackling is more often a term used to describe the gloating and malevolent action of adults.

    Have you ever considered reading such things as books?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @lysias
  54. Art says:
    @Garreth Smith

    No one received the President at the Airport when he arrived in Pittsburgh, but when he arrived at the Synagogue unaccompanied by any Pittsburgh resident, he was received at the Synagogue by Ambassador Ron Dermer.

    Oh my — the President of United States of America – is hosted in an American city by an Israeli.

    It is more than obvious that Israel represents Jews in America. The Jews of Pittsburg had an Israeli government officle represent them. Proof positive that everyone fears the Jews – city, state, and federal.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    p.s. An advocate for the killing of Palestinian children represented Pittsburg Pennsylvania. Sick!

  55. ‘…Some sources in Turkey believe that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will actually demand recreation of the Caliphate, which the Kemal Ataturk led Turkish Republic’s government abolished in 1924…’

    If he does, that’ll be a bridge too far. Erdogan’s a smart cookie; he won’t try that one on.

    My feeling is that Erdogan is not a raving Islamic nut job. He represents a kind of Islam that sees in the faith a key to social stability, conservative values, economic security — all the things prized by lower-middle class, upwardly mobile Turks, who want a decent life and no Western Progressive nonsense. This doesn’t extend to stoning adultresses, chopping off hands, or restoring the caliphate. Father was a peasant, but someday they hope to buy a car, and they want their daughters to be clean, virtuous girls.

    Think of Erdogan as kind of an Anatolian Mike Pence — and youll be closer to the truth than you might think. He’s giving the average Turk what he dearly wants — a decent, morally upright life.

    These are just my impressions, of course. However, I think I’m more likely to be on the money than someone trying to fit Erdogan into some ideological scheme that has nothing to do with modern Turkey in the first place.

    • Replies: @Druid
  56. @renfro

    ‘…There is really no reason why I should have to shlep the entire family to America, it’s a hassle and it costs a lot of money,” said N., of Jerusalem, who was unable to get his children passports here although he and his wife are American citizens…’

    I’m sure they’ll prevail. On the bright side, I think we bear so much responsibility for Israel’s crimes that when that Nazi statelet finally does close up shop, we’re going to be morally obliged to take all the Israeli Jews in anyway. They tend to be criminals — but that’ll just make it fitting penance for our sins.

    Israel is our crime. Who should pay, if not us?

  57. @Art

    Art said: “An advocate for the killing of Palestinian children represented Pittsburg Pennsylvania. Sick!”

    Greetings from Scranton, Pa, Art!

    As a Pennsylvanian, fyi, I cannot name a Pennsylvania US Senator or Congressman who was steadfastly against the Israeli shooting of Palestinian protestors at the Gaza border.

    Uh, same goes for Governor Tom Wolf. Uh, same goes for ex-Governor & DOHS, Tom Ridge

    So, Art, question is, who from Pennsylvania should have hosted President Trump? Hm.

    Well…, Arlen Spector is history, Linh Dinh ain’t in Philly no more, A.G. Josh Shapiro’s Grand Jury is hunting Diocese clergy, & “Broadway” Joe Namath likely has other shapely things-to-do. Hm, a tough one.

    I got it, Art! Mr. ‘Merica, Sheldon Adelson, should have been Trump’s greeter. He owns the Bethlehem Sands Casino!!!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @lysias
  58. I actually agree with your main point; that Khashoggi is about to be politely but definitively forgotten.

    However, the same cannot be said for some of your supporting arguments, such as:

    ‘…Saudi Arabia is also key to Trump’s anticipated Middle East peace plan. If it pulls out from the expected financial guarantees aspect, the plan will fall apart…’

    This is a bit like saying if I intend to soar to thirty thousand feet by flapping my arms, I’d best bring some warm clothes. I’m not even going to get off the ground, so the warm clothes are unnecessary.

    There won’t be any need for the Saudis to actually finance anything, because no ‘peace plan’ is going to come to fruition. All that’s going to be offered is some scheme allowing the Palestinians to administer a collection of Warsaw Ghettos — not even Bantustans — for their Jewish masters. Naturally, it’ll be dressed up so the docile American press can at least present it as ‘a starting point for negotiations.’ Equally naturally, any Palestinian leaders will reject it for fear of being lynched by their own people — which would have been the idea all along. Once again, the Palestinians ‘reject peace.’

    However, the point is that the Saudis won’t have to finance anything. No fear. At most, they might have to pay bribes to Dahlan or some equivalent Quisling to help the charade along — and we could pay those, if worst (or best) came to worst (or best.)

  59. Yep, that’s it in a nutshell. Best to consider the incident forgotten already. Absolutely nothing will come of it, despite the harsh words directed toward Salman jr. by a prominent Republican senator.

  60. What cover-up? Trump makes no pretenses about putting financial deals ahead of morals.

  61. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Of course none of us can have read as many books as the Dutchman claims to have read but I wonder what books you have in mind that would have helped one to certainty about the importance you apparently attached to the difference between Clinton as giggles and Clinton as cackle??? Actually I thought Moi’s “witches cackle” was neatly put. Droll replies should be neat and clear.

  62. @AnonFromTN

    Difficult balancing of bad alternatives when only bad ones are available and some judgments/decisions are necessary can easily be mislabeled hypocrisy.

  63. @virgile

    Bingo. You could even say Erdogan may have set the whole thing up. Was there a spy on the Saudi hit team?

  64. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    “There is every indication that the U.S. is not in fact seeking to punish the Saudis for their alleged role in Khashoggi’s apparent murder but instead to punish them for reneging on this $15 billion deal to U.S. weapons giant Lockheed Martin, which manufactures the THAAD system.

    S-400 gamechanger. / Saudi Plan to Purchase Russian S-400:

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/angered-by-saudi-plan-to-purchase-russian-s-400-trump-admin-exploiting-khashoggi-disappearance-to-force-saudis-to-buy-american/250717/

  65. Miro23 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Thanks for the link. Now we can see that Empire had previously turned against MbS, and that the scripted Khashoggi affair conveniently arrived on cue – with MbS getting the full MSM treatment.

    In other words the deep state knew exactly what was going to happen in the consulate that day, set it up and recorded it themselves (nothing to do with Khashoggi’s smart phone).

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-saudi-dissident-prince-flies-home-tackle-mbs-succession-58983364

    Prince Ahmad bin Abdulaziz, the younger brother of King Salman, has returned to Saudi Arabia after a prolonged absence in London, to mount a challenge to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman or find someone who can.

    The source said that the prince returned “after discussion with US and UK officials”, who assured him they would not let him be harmed and encouraged him to play the role of usurper.

    Meanwhile, in Washington disquiet grows.

    Writing in the New York Times, former national security advisor to the Obama administration and US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said: “Looking ahead, Washington must act to mitigate the risks to our own interests. We should not rupture our important relationship with the kingdom, but we must make clear it cannot be business as usual so long as Prince Mohammed continues to wield unlimited power.

    “It should be United States policy, in conjunction with our allies, to sideline the crown prince in order to increase pressure on the royal family to find a steadier replacement,” she added.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  66. Erebus says:
    @Miro23

    The mainstream narrative has had “Psyop” written all over it from the first. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Khashoggi is still alive and languishing in an undisclosed location with only the Skripals for company.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  67. Druid says:
    @APilgrim

    Must be tough in life to be a TOTAL moron, pilgrim

  68. Druid says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Haven’t you heard. They’re the Chosen!

  69. Druid says:
    @Moi

    True. Wahhabism has distorted Islam. This is where oil wealth has been a curse to the Muslim world

  70. Druid says:
    @Colin Wright

    I happen to think erdogan is the best thing that happened to turkey in a long time. The previous militarists were terrible.

  71. I suspect Trump had more reason to want to off Jeff Bezos’ boy Khashoggi than MBS. It is not outside the realm of probability that MBS got tricked into doing this for Trump (you can bet Kushner is up to no good scuttling back and forth) thus eliminating a Trump critic and sending a message to Bezos whose Washington Post has since been much kinder to Trump since. At the same time MBS is now on the hook and either comes fully under US control or they can pull the rug out from under him now.

  72. Wheels within wheels. Maybe this is why Turkey has been squeezing Saudi Arabia:

    ‘Turkish offensive on US-backed Kurdish fighters in Syria to start ‘soon’: Erdogan’

    Get Saudi Arabia to break ranks with the US unless Turkey is allowed to have its way with the Kurds?

    I’m not sure how this would work myself — but a connection seems possible.

    • Replies: @Garreth Smith
  73. @ChuckOrloski

    The strange and dulled aftermath in the US is, I believe, because the lesson was not really meant for US audiences.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  74. @Colin Wright

    ‘Turkish offensive on US-backed Kurdish fighters in Syria to start ‘soon’: Erdogan’

    Get Saudi Arabia to break ranks with the US unless Turkey is allowed to have its way with the Kurds?

    One less country is good for all three countries, Syria, Turkey and Iran.

  75. @Realist

    For the love of God, don’t call these people rabbis. Several of them are women, whom according to orthodox Judaism cannot be rabbis. They aren’t even faithful to their own Christ-denying religion. They’re just lefty freaks LARPing around in religious costumes.

  76. Christo says:
    @Garreth Smith

    Actually Sam Walton earned his wealth and was a good man. I met him when I was 7 or 8 at one of his stores( early 70′s, I bought a toy car, he was standing at the door :) ) , He used to “work” at all of them, 100-200 at the time I think. He deserved his wealth. Now his children and that big pile of money Walmart Inc( considered human by the SCOTUS) is reprehensible and didn’t earned a dam cent of their money, such is the evil of unearned wealth.

    • Replies: @Garreth Smith
  77. @ChuckOrloski

    As a Pennsylvanian, fyi, I cannot name a Pennsylvania US Senator or Congressman who was steadfastly against the Israeli shooting of Palestinian protestors at the Gaza border.

    Uh, same goes for Governor Tom Wolf. Uh, same goes for ex-Governor & DOHS, Tom Ridge

    Thanks, Chuck. Now we know why so many ‘Merkins have been so thoroughly brainwashed to believe that “we need gubmint.” I mean, who’d bild da woads? ‘N shoot, maim an’ kill babies, journalists, ‘n anyone else who gets in the way of de mob? ;)

  78. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim

    Worse than a troll. Pilgrim is a paid agent . He has not been paid lately neither by ISIS nor by the neocon.

    Will the HIAS accept him as a morally bankrupt refugee ?

  79. @Bill Jones

    An interesting bullet-sentence, Bill Jones said to me: “The strange and dulled aftermath in the US is, I believe, because the lesson was not really meant for US audiences.”

    Greetings, Bill!

    Lessons on dramatic world events are cunningly spun to insouciant & government-trusting Americans. The weird Jamal Kashoggi murder is an excellent example among hundreds to choose from!

    Fyi, along with FDR administration’s cooperation, Zionist Fake News helped gin-up war fervor in order to get the US into World War 2. Such deception resulted in unnecessarily sending-off another round of American “doughboys” into world war.

    Fyr, as recovered from America’s Memory Hole Knowledge Disposal / Sewer System,” below is a great Pat Buchanan article titled, “Who forged it?”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4065.htm

    As you know, the ZUSA Congress / Executive Branch & Corporate Media darling, P.M. Netanyahu, pines for starting a US war against Iran, consequent regime change. I do not!

    So Bill Jones, the next paragraph I write is meant for a non-dulled “US audience” consumption.”

    Based upon available taped conversation, including perhaps You Tube, some here at U.R. might (?) recall how Billy Graham and President Nixon knew the existential doom faced by America & it’s originating in the Zio controlled media.

    Like those views (concerns) perhaps upheld by the departed (?) journalist Kashoggi, too bad the departed Reverend Billy’s & Dick’s fears had to become muffled, eh?

    Thanks, Bill!

  80. Durruti says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    “Curious how US military terror attack (emergency response) drills occurred on 9/11, and apparently 9 months prior to the Pittsburgh Tree of Life attack.”

    I tried to make the same point, but the link I used apparently does not function on this site (it worked on my regular emails).

    V for Vendetta: movie

    The Positive:

    The “V for Vendetta” suggests revolutionary action (resistance) by the American People.

    The Negative:

    V for Vendetta fails to mention the elephant. If it mentions the elephant-Zionist Oligarchs, the movie does not get made.

    It is difficult to resist, if the people do not know who to resist.

    Durruti: for the Anarchist Collective

  81. Christo says:
    @anon

    “I don’t think presumption is required.. if the journal-neo article is correct.. ” it should be presumed that MIT had the Consulate General building covered with both cameras and microphones, possibly inside the building as well as outside, meaning that the audio of the actual killing that has been reported in the media is no doubt authentic and might even be supplemented with video.”

    From that Neo-article (which was written by Veterans Today ed.)
    “Kashoggi was murdered not for his criticism of the Saudi Crown Prince, but of Donald Trump”.

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/20/kashoggi-s-message-in-a-bottle-will-we-get-it/

    LOL , on occasion VT gets things right, but generally their stuff is on the order of Alex Jones meets “Top secret” . Textbook “conspiracy theory stuff” IMO. eat a pound of salt with each article and watch your salt intake.

    Khasoogii(sp? who cares) was Moslem Brotherhood, controlled opposition to all the tinpot Sheiks, Sultans , Generals, leaders of the Moslem- Arab world. useful idiots.

  82. Mork D says:

    For all those offended by HRC’s delight at the killing of Ghaddafi and feel she is singular in her evil, as this disgusting instance is repeated ad nauseam – don’t forget that GWB made a joke during a national speech back in 2004 about the reason his administration gave for invading Iraq – he went looking on the podium for WMDs, ’cause they couldn’t find em in Iraq! Which is more evil, openly gloating over the horrible death suffered by a longtime “enemy” of the USA, or making fun of the American people to their face about the lies you made up in order to invade another country and cause hundreds of thousands of deaths and having a good chuckle like you’re back at the Skull n Bones at good old Yale?

  83. @Christo

    Actually Sam Walton earned his wealth and was a good man.

    You are right, as I picked a wrong example. What I really meant the only in The USA, the mineral rights are owned by the land owners. Where as, in the rest of the world, anything under 5 meters (20 feet) is owned by the State and not the land owners. Therefore only in the USA, the “unearned wealth” belongs to the land owner who happens to hit the jackpot.

    Where as, in other countries this “unearned wealth” belongs to the State and thus belongs to the masses of the country. Let us take GCC, where the oil belongs to the State, and therefore the GCC doesn’t have much of taxes, like income taxes, investment taxes, inheritance taxes, sales taxes, etc., etc.

    Yes, much of the that “unearned wealth” gets siphoned off at the top, but it does have trickle down effects with no taxes, and free government services, such as health, education and so forth.

    • Replies: @anon
  84. Wisely, Durruti wrote: “It is difficult to resist, if the people do not know who to resist.”

    Hey Durruti!

    For all to see, in succinct words above, you nailed the divided US citizen’s (existential) awareness crisis to the American-Israeli Empire’s state-of-the-Dark-art’s manufactured cross. Thank you very much, Mr. D.!

    Regrettably, for theatrical encore, all that remains is global catastrophe & an evil implantation of a secret mark upon the heads of deceived & scared Americans.

    Selah, John le Carre’s “Little Drummer Girl” opening tonight in the Homeland!

  85. Rurik says:

    Which is more evil,

    well, at least the chimp wasn’t specifically gloating over the torture/murder of a person

    and whereas his acts are war crimes and he deserves to hang by the neck, no less than Saddam did..

    there’s something about the cackling war hag that is viscerally, alarmingly repulsive

    Not only because she’s obviously a sadistic psychopath, but one wonders if she didn’t also gloat at the torture/sodomy death of Ambassador Christopher Stevens, another CIS White male, who also fell out of her favor.

    And you just wonder.. had she been elected, would there have been anything in this universe that could have restrained her megalomaniacal wrath against men like Assad or perhaps especially Vlad Putin?

    When I consider the chimp, I see an amoral moron. But with the gorgon war hag, I see a terrifying personification of every known expression of insatiable human lust for power, (lamented over the centuries as mankind’s ultimate misfortune), embodied in her singular, narcissistic, diamond-splitting malevolence.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  86. @Rurik

    Rhetorical question, intelligently addressed by Rurik: “Which is more evil?”

    Hey Brother Rurik!

    Above — Everything is relative, fyi, peruse CS Lewis’s “Screwtape Letters,” re; the demonic “Lowerarchy.”

    The most evil likely lay in dark shadow of the ZUS Government. And HRC is just a creepy face we get to see and ACT.

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  87. More Murders:

    According to CNN, bodies of two Saudi sisters found in New York.

  88. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Garreth Smith

    In Pennsylvania, at least in most counties that I am aware of, mineral rights do not belong to the top-of-ground property owner.

    On the other hand, the property owner waives any claims for harm that might be caused by mine subsidence if a mine is under their property.

  89. This murder, if there was a murder, to me seems as stupidly executed as Sept 11.
    On Sept 11 there was something to see, two planes flew into two towers, three buildings collapsed.
    Some 3000 people disappeared.
    In this case, what do we have ?
    In fact nothing, not even a body.
    In the MH17 case, bodies galore, and the wreckage of a plane.
    The MH370 case, part of a wing is said to have been found.
    The title here is ‘Jamal Khashoggi Died for Nothing’.
    My first question: where is the evidence that he did die ?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  90. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    The most evil likely lay in dark shadow of the ZUS Government. And HRC is just a creepy face we get to see

    no doubt Brother Chuck,

    but it says a lot about them that they exalt the very worst human scum from the citizenry as their eager apparatchiks.

    thanks for the recommendations!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  91. @Rurik

    Brilliantly insightful, Rurik noted: “but it says a lot about them that they exalt the very worst human scum from the citizenry as their eager apparatchiks.”

    In “Masters of War,” the Jewish folk singer & has-been radical, Bob Dylan, chortled the lyric, “All the money you make can never buy back your soul.”

    Selah, (ugh) the present enriched crop of Zio American Citizen-Servants, Bolton, Pompeo, Gina Haspel, Trump’s lawyer, Mnuchin, Kushner, selah, etcetera.

  92. @Rurik

    ‘well, at least the chimp wasn’t specifically gloating over the torture/murder of a person…’

    There’s also the distinction that Bush was a man, while Hillary Clinton was a woman.

    There are sins that are more horrific in a man than in a woman (cowardice, for example), and more horrific in a woman than in a man (taking delight in someone’s death, for example.)

    Men and women are not the same, they’re not judged the same, and there’s no particular reason to pretend they should be judged the same.

    If a man had joked as Hillary Clinton did, it would have been repulsive, and reprehensible — but simply not as ghastly as watching Hillary Clinton do it. That, in my opinion, is a fact.

  93. lysias says:
    @anon

    I weep for you, the Walrus said, I deeply sympathize.

  94. lysias says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I watched the video. Hillary cackled. It was one of the main reasons I couldn’t vote for her.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  95. gwynedd1 says:

    It means the Saudis will be charged higher prices for whatever it is they are buying….which is a lot. They can afford it.

  96. @lysias

    lysias to NoseytheDuke: “I watched the video. Hillary cackled. It was one of the main reasons I couldn’t vote for her.”

    Halloween Scranton greetings, lysias!

    Your having mentioned the remarkable Cyril Wecht gripped my attention, and based upon the quoted sentence (above) I got even more intrigued when you professed an interest in voting for either Zio-approved Tweedledee or Tweedledum.

    At any rate, am pleased to meet you, and consider (below) Brother Nathanael’s politically incorrect cackle, “How to buy an election.” Thanks!

  97. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    The US has committed so many torture murders they make Salman and the Shady Wahabians look like choirboys.
    They have beaten people to death, drowned people, imprisoned people in coffins, cut off their private parts, raped people, murdered people in every way known to man.
    They maintain a global gulag of concentration camps and torture chambers in which countless people have been, and are still being, tortured.
    At Bagram in Afghanistan, a man was stripped naked in a freezing cell and chained to the wall naked. He was left like that till he died 17 days later.
    The US President is an enthusiastic advocate of torture. He thinks it’s great. He can’t get enough of it.
    Of course, this doesn’t stop the Exceptional People climbing on their high horse and giving lofty sermons and pious lectures to the rest of humanity about their human rights failings.

  98. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Garreth Smith

    Why is NETANHOO trying to seek some sort of accommodation with Iran through Oman? Are his dreams now kaput ?

    Israel and its leaders now brag about making sorties and killing Syrians though not reported or seen by anybody .
    ( after that fateful day of Russia losses) But before they would attack but deny .
    Is Israel becoming the Baghdad Bob ??

  99. renfro says:
    @anon

    Palestine has several times asked for peace keeping forces between them and Israel…..Israel has refused to go along with that…..it would keep Israel from slaughtering at will and they are also afraid of witnesses to their crimes.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Iris
  100. tac says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Don’t forget they are chosen and therefore their opinions really matter. You are simply a foreigner in you OWN country!

    On the contrary, an exemplary American-Jew–in the kindred spirit of our own Ron Unz–is a trually loyal spirit to our Republic, namely one: Jeremy Rothe-Kushel who along with his partner Greg McCarren spoke on the this senseless murder of American-Jews–who are innocent peoples, most likely caught up in the larger, more sinister Jew supremacist conspiracy headquartered in Israel and helped along by the despicable dual-citizen Israeli-firsters along with their witting/unwitting goy traitors aligned to serve the interests of these supremacist first and foremost.

    I highly recommend watching the video put out by this young American-Jewish voice of dissidence in the face of the Israeli incited delusion of grandeur (perhaps Ron Unz can feature this voice of reason);

  101. tac says:

    A nominal theory proposed more than a week ago on the Khashoggi incident:

    There is certainly too much coordination and attention by MSM spotlighting MbS and KSA. But why?

    I am not convinced that Khashoggi was killed for knowing too much about 9/11 — although King Salman (Prince at the time) blamed the Mossad for 9/11, but there seems to be a pattern of late to focus the blame of 9/11 on KSA and away from Israel and US — as more people become awake to the 9/11 false-flag. Since the passage of JASTA, hundreds of 9/11 families have filed lawsuit against SA.

    Maybe this Khashoggi incident (real or faked) is being used to lay the groundwork. Jared Kushner has cultivated a close relationship with MbS; perhaps this was by design.

    What we know is that Kushner used his security clearance to provide MbS with a ‘list’ of his [MbS'] enemies last year, which, in turn, MbS used to capture, torture and purge the people on that list. It would make sense that Khashoggi was on that list. Now, in the light of this incident, the MSM turns their collective attention on MbS and KSA in general, some by design and others as useful idiots. Then, inevitably, with the cloak of secrecy having been lifted, the attention will swing to what is happening in Yemen (and rightfully so) to further show MbS and, by extension, SA as an evil regime (which it is but it is not the only one) thus setting the stage be wholly blamed for 9/11 – just as more people are awakening and the wheels of legal 9/11 justice are starting to spin — leaving the main perpetrators off the hook, or so they hope.

    The three conspirators—American neocons, Saudi Arabia, and Israel—that successfully pulled off the crime of the 21st century, namely the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States, are infighting to the point that the layers of secrecy surrounding the 9/11 attacks are beginning to wither away.
    The weakest link in the troika of conspirators is Saudi Arabia, the country that provided the manpower, finances, and hijacker personnel for the cover story—”Al Qaeda did it”—for 9/11.

    Recall in his 2016 campaign, Donald Trump Suggested Saudi Arabia Was Behind 9/11 Multiple Times and is now using a mole, Jared Kushner, to make this suggestion stick.

    And since the official story of 9/11 Collapsing as Washington Blames Saudis and more people are asking questions, so now is the blame game in full swing

  102. Bianca says:
    @Miro23

    Very much the essence of the problem. I would like to add additional arguments in favor of tthis backdrop to this murder. Prtronyuan is also gold yuan, where customer can choose . to convert petroyuan to gold on demand This allows seller to convert gold to currency of thrir choice. As US is purchasing only 9% of its oil needs from Saudi Arabia, US lacks the leverage.

    Russia is key partner in stabilizing oil prices against market speculations. Also, Russia is looking for investments, and Saudi Arabia has about 1 trillion Soveregn Fund, looking for smart investments to diversify economy. Many contracts have been already signed. Additionally, recently Saudi Arabia added 500 milion to China-Russia investment fund. And another 500 milion just two weeks ago to Pakistan just as US cut military aid. And the talk of buying Russia’s S-400, cannot be pleasant — even if just a talk.

    I hear that the purchases of US weapons were in the form of intent, not contract. And that the deadline of 30 September came and went, and the 30 billion slated for decision to purchase did not materialize. And then, there is the small issue of massive support for Salafi Islamic cults under many names, but with Wahhab stamp all over it. In short order Iraq was engulfed, for ing it to invite US military back. And as it was engulfing Syria, Russia stepped in to prevent the disintegration of Syrian state into anarchy. But MbS coming to power was bad news for further funding. From July 2017 to the end of 2017, ISIS collapsed, and many Salafi groups in Syria just accepted deal Thrkey offered. The deal being in exchange for salary and protection from Syrian prosecution, they were to accept uniform and Turkish command. In oractice, fight ISIS remnants and YPG. As former Saudi funded Jaish Al Islam just joined Turkey. Turkey has now local army larger then US SDF, or Kurds. And Thrkey is aiming at Euphrates valley, the pocket of ISIS protected by US from Syrian Army. Kurds are a tiny minority there.

    Then there is Yemen. There is no question that US favorite, Crown Prince MbNayef was the architect of the war. The war that was to secure South Yemen to Saudi Arabia, a coveted port of Aden and south center, Mukkala. Turned out —US switched the plan, and allowed UAE to take over South with help of US mercenaries. Now, Saudi Arabia is in war with Shia North. US imposed blockade of Hodeidah port, starting cycle of starvation and disease. Saudi Arabia is looking for a way out, but circumstances are not favorable. It seems that Imran Khan has vilunteered to mediare between Saudis and Iran — about Yemen. This is clearly a grave threat to US plans for Middle East. Especially since Iran cannot really do anything about Yemen. But incentives can be offered to Sana’a to acceot a deal with security guarantees. I cannot see how can Saudis profit from a conference in Sweden. Saudis will try to get out with minimum face loss, and regional guarantees. As the rift with US grows — the easier will it be for Saudis to pull off unpalatable moves. Kashoggi murder may be by far more important then it on surface looks like. And then some “coincidences”. Jordan pulled out of agreement with Israel on the protection of religious sites. Then Palestinians pulled out of Oslo. Arab Druze in Golan Heights — not obedient any more. Protesting Israeli elections. Bombing Syria no longer a risk free proposition.

    The problem with change is the risk it brings — zealotss never accept responsibility for trying to fix the world and getting it wrong. It is always some bidy else’s fault.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  103. Blizzard says:

    You are being misled and lied to, naive readers. This whole charade about fake death of a Muslim Brotherhood activist and former bin Laden acquaintance and associate mentioned above is to use it as a narrative of excuse to declare Saudi US treasury holdings which are in USA custody (part of the deal made with Saudis in early 70s was that the Saudis would sell all its oil for the dollars exclusively, and use those dollars to buy US treasuries (not sure about the percentage of oil sell which was obliged to be parked in US treasuries, it’s a confidential part of the deal, but not bellow 80% for sure) and some US made weapons from the MIC industry, or be invaded – that’s what was told to Saudis) null and void. You see, Saudi US treasury holdings held in US in “safe custody” by the agreement was frozen years ago, and Saudi gold held in UBS and some other Swiss banks was raided also few years ago (Saudis did save a part of Swiss gold holdings and transferred it to DB deposits in Germany). Saudi US treasury holdings are in trillions – somewhere between 3 and 5 trillion dollars – all held in account in the US in “safe custody” per the agreement Kissinger made with the Saudis in 1970. Don’t believe .gov TIC report outrages lies that the Saudis only have a couple of hundred billion on their name. Saudis in one year alone in 2013 made over 1.07 trillion in oil sales done in the dollars. Over 40 years of their oil exports don’t you think they would make vastly more than mere 200 billion dollars? US lies were good at math or logic, always went to such extremes only a total ignoramus who is also a brain dead half-wit could believe in. Anyhow, those funds were stolen. Saudis are not getting them back, which is why they must hold their fellow prices for ransom. Saudis are broke. Their oil too is mostly depleted. That’s how Anglo world stole the riches of Arabia. The part that most of the world does not yet know is that Saudis are already selling their oil to the Chinese for the yuan. It’s been going on for months.

  104. Miro23 says:
    @Bianca

    I hear that the purchases of US weapons were in the form of intent, not contract. And that the deadline of 30 September came and went, and the 30 billion slated for decision to purchase did not materialize.

    It looks like this is right.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/

    Also the much publicized Aramco flotation isn’t happening.

    “The decision to call off the IPO was taken some time ago, but no-one can disclose this, so statements are gradually going that way – first delay then calling off,” a Saudi source familiar with the IPO plans said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-aramco-ipo-exclusive/exclusive-aramco-listing-plan-halted-oil-giant-disbands-advisors-sources-idUSKCN1L71TZ

  105. Stolte says:

    Where´s Jamal Khashoggi body???

  106. @tac

    Morning tac!

    Re; your comment # 108, fascinating & logical thought. Thanks very much!

    Like you said, the theory on Jamal Kashoggi’s alleged killing for knowing “too much” about who really did 9/11 is a bit tough to swallow. But, was he poised to spill-the-beans in a forum that was undesirable, hence a situation not meant to be?

  107. @tac

    Remembering how tac said: “… so now is the blame game in full swing.”

    It’s me again, tac!

    Par-for-the-course, Zionist deception at full throttle, please look at report (below) which described Copenhagen having blamed Iran for an assassination in Denmark.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/11/01/578693/Iran-Mossad-Denmark

    Thanks a lot for your educational comments.

    • Replies: @tac
  108. Sparkon says:
    @jilles dykstra

    On Sept 11…two planes flew into two towers…My first question: where is the evidence…?

    What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

  109. @Art

    Oh my — the President of United States of America – is hosted in an American city by an Israeli.

    p.s. An advocate for the killing of Palestinian children represented Pittsburg Pennsylvania. Sick!

    The proof of the pudding is in the pie

    Trump, Netanyahu use synagogue shooting to cement alliance

    And the first person to greet Trump at the synagogue was not a grieving Pittsburgher. Instead it was Israeli Ambassador to the US Ron Dermer.

    “The fact that the person who officially greeted the president of the United States at an American city at an American synagogue was the ambassador of another country was stunning,” Lara Friedman, the president of the liberal Foundation for Middle East Peace, told Al-Monitor.

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/10/trump-netanyahu-synagogue-shooting-alliance-israel.html

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Z-man
  110. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    Do you think the Turks know?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  111. Sparkon says:
    @Garreth Smith

    Mangled aphorisms department:

    The proof of the pudding is in the pie eating.

    The proverb means that the worth of anything is determined by its performance, and not by its reputation.

    Don’t praise the pudding until you eat it.

    In the case of Donald Trump, we may have ordered presidential pudding, but what we got is chopped liver with matzo balls.

  112. Z-man says:
    @Garreth Smith

    Amazing and disgusting, about Dormer greeting Trump. As a matter of fact when I saw Dormer on the TV clips I thought he was an administration official (one of Trumps Jews), lol. It’s all melded in quite nicely for the Zionists. (Puke)

    Trump, Netanyahu use synagogue shooting to cement alliance

    True and nauseating.

    • Agree: Garreth Smith
  113. In the case of Donald Trump, we may have ordered presidential pudding, but what we got is chopped liver with matzo balls.

    I was not thinking about the President, I was thinking about our USA. As no one in Pittsburgh was brave enough to receive our President, the Ambassador of Israel Ron Dermer was the only brave one to receive the President.

    I guess the brave ones are abounding the sinking ship and moving to Israel. Kudos to brave Israel for killing unarmed children.

    p.s. An advocate for the killing of Palestinian children represented Pittsburg Pennsylvania. Sick!

  114. Where I just began to wonder if indeed someone was killed, in a very clumsy way, here is someone convinced of a charade.

  115. tac says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hi, Chuck. Nice to hear from you again.

    Thanks for the link. That op is all about pressuring EU countries to comply with the more tightening sanctions against Iran. Here is a good summary:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/11/by-way-of-deception-false-flag-terror-acts-press-europe-to-sanction-iran.html#more

    And now the Trump administration is trying to put the squeeze on Venezuela’s Gold trade:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-01/trump-signs-executive-orders-targeting-venezuela-gold-exports

    The adverse affect of all of these sanctions will end up only escalating cooperation between other countries and will ultimately end in the demise of the US’ influence.

  116. Perfectly understandable, JillesDykstra said: “Where I just began to wonder if indeed someone was killed, in a very clumsy way, here is someone convinced of a charade.”

    Relax, J.D.!

    Fyi, the average (daily) dosage of theatrical DECEPTION has increased commensurately.

    Consequently, We, the dumb goyim, are placed in “X-Files” show-mode, and the pathway to clear understanding begins when one starts to think and “Trust no one” within the dark Zionist Corporate Media.

    Good night and good luck, J.D.

  117. @tac

    tac wrote: “The adverse affect of all of these sanctions will end up only escalating cooperation between other countries and will ultimately end in the demise of the US’ influence.”

    Above, such is my hope, but I sincerely fear for what remains of the “US,” and mercifully, for the Zionist’s next host country.

    But, but, they are not going down here without a good (engineered) financial collapse and major theater war, likely aimed at taking down the Islamic Republic with “Fire & Fury.”

    Thanks for all your thought, tac! Appreciate the Light shined deep into the den of deception.

    • Replies: @tac
  118. @tac

    Uh, back to tac: “The adverse affect of all of these sanctions…”

    Should have emphasized the fact that ZUSA’s present sanction-rampage (foreign policy, hee-hee) is an act of unnecessary & immoral war against world nations.

    Sad how ‘Merkins don’t know how they are also The Empire’s target. Gonna get ugly, uglier, and ugliest ever.

    Thanks again, tac!

  119. Gotta laugh at the hypocrisy… Turkish goons beat the shit out of American protestors in our capital last year…consequences…zero.. and now Turkey occupies the moral high ground on this issue and will milk it for all it’s worth.

    after the election, nothing will change here with Kushner and Saudi and Israel trifecta of eretz Israel in full strength.

    I am voting democratic this time in hopes of checking the full unleashing of Trump’s zionist move. My efforts are probably in vain.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  120. @General Koofta

    Hey General Koofta!

    Refer below to the trailer for Arnon Milchan’s, “Brazil,” and you shall see a slice of the film’s (2005) accurate revelation of the American society to come?

    Thanks, General!

  121. Anon[841] • Disclaimer says:

    Lockerbie cited in proposal for international court in Khashoggi case

    ”Continuing pressure from the security council and orders by the court, backed by sanctions against powerful Saudis (preventing them from travelling to Europe or using schools and health services), trade boycotts and sanctions, and threats of diplomatic isolation, could force the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, to send suspects to The Hague, as it forced Gaddafi to cooperate over Lockerbie, and to disclose evidence that, when analysed together with other evidence, might lead a chief prosecutor to include him in the charge sheet – at least as an “unindicted co-conspirator”. Only an international legal process can establish with any credibility whether Bin Salman actually gave the lethal order, or perhaps said in the manner of King Henry II: “Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?” ”

    http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/

  122. @Agent76

    One wonders, with (I’m guessing, I know shit about geography) a million square miles of desert that will never be developed, that the Saudis didn’t take this guy for a ride, hand him a shovel and leave him in the hole, nice and quiet-like?

    Didn’t they watch Casino? Wise guys put their problems deep, in holes in the desert. Doesn’t get any better than that. Why do we have all this discussion? This guy was a WashPost reporter. I couldn’t care less what happened to him myself, he was some form of louse, he was a Muslim after all, running in the circles I hate and that hate me. He’s more trouble dead this way than if he’d just been in a hole somewhere.

    What was MBS thinking? Doesn’t he have a Consigliore? I’m not even a wise guy and I know what to do with a miscreant. You have him dig his own hole and jump in. Then, he gets lead poisoning. MBS? Trouble. HE might have to go into a hole. Our Deep State and Israel cannot be happy with his performance.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  123. tac says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck:

    If you really want to dive into the rabbit hole and find out about the all forgotten precursor to 9/11–OKC bombing–go to my post here @67 and review all of this info (as always make up your own mind, but , in doing so, do become aware of what your gov’t is doing–especially in foreign policy):

    If you care to respond, I’ll check your feedback to this…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  124. Thinking about MBS upsets my IBS. They are all a bunch of stinkers.

  125. @Jim Christian

    You do raise the question “why this way?”. You propose that they could have kidnapped him in Turkey, or somewhere else outside Saudi Arabia, and then disposed of him in the desert instead of chopping him up and making him unfindable in Turkey. It is easy enough to see why they would be worried about the chances of getting him out of Turkey without being caught. And if they did get him on to a private plane without leaving photos/CCTV videos or traces in Turkey why wouldn’t they just drop his weighted body into the deep sea?

  126. @tac

    Good Morning, tac!

    Have descended into “rabbit hole” to some degree but evidently not as deep as you

    At any rate, as young man, I read Mark Lane’s seminal work, “Rush to Judgement,” and became worried about his having mentioned numerous assassination witnesses, ones who had evidence contrary to the Warren Commission Report as missing, sudden death. Mary Ann Mercer is among the list, & those with casual interest can look at the late-Lane’s Playboy interview, 1967, below.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.conspiracy.jfk/X_st8u_XkQE

    As today is Ronan Catholic “All Souls Day,” I remember the departed man who knew too much about the “OKC” bombing and in addition, Victor Thorn, August, 2016.

    Thanks, tac!

    Post scriptum: Am forever astonished how Christopher Bollyn is still breathing. Am prompted to figure that they do not care one bit about his powerful “Solving 9/11″ evidence and are “in your face.”

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  127. Moi says:
    @Garreth Smith

    The “sultan,” like most Arab leaders, is Muslim in name only. Doubt if you know much or anything about Islam, and let’s please not superimpose our western “values” (whatever those might be) on other cultures/countries.

  128. The “sultan,” like most Arab leaders, is Muslim in name only. Doubt if you know much or anything about Islam, and let’s please not superimpose our western “values” (whatever those might be) on other cultures/countries.

    Where does it says that the ruler has to be a practitioner of Judeo-Christians ethos or even just a believer of Judeo-Christians ethos to be a benevolent ruler?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  129. Sparkon says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Am forever astonished how Christopher Bollyn is still breathing. Am prompted to figure that they do not care one bit about his powerful “Solving 9/11″ evidence and are “in your face.”

    Or, is it at least possible that Christopher Bollyn is controlled opposition, and his “powerful evidence” is rubbish?

    Let’s recall that he has signed on to the nonsense theory of “super thermite” being the agent of destruction of the WTC, and most especially that he works to deflect all suspicion about 9/11 away from the CIA and ranking Americans, and onto Mossad, Israel, and the Jews.

    A long article at VT: Barry Kissin’s “Critique of Christopher Bollyn and his Influence Upon the Truth Movement” considers Bollyn’s arguments:

    Since this article is largely addressed to Truth Movement activists who have been misled by Bollyn, I will make the further point that this examination of Bollyn’s Ptech theory exposes his defective methods of supporting other aspects of his “extreme conspiracy theory.”

    Bollyn: “9-11 … was a carefully planned false-flag attack carried out by the Israeli military after years of planning and preparation.”

    Barry Kissin: [Did the Bush family (W., H.W., and Jeb) play any part in the planning and carrying out and covering up of 9/11? Are the Bushes dedicated Zionists, Israel Firsters? How about John Brennan, George Tenet, Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, General Myers, General Eberhart, Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Henry Kissinger, Rudy Guliani – did they have anything to do with the planning or carrying out or covering up of 9/11? Are they all the dedicated Zionist type, Israel Firsters?]

    Did the state of Israel award the mayor, chief of police, and fire chief of NYC with glorious decorations for their contributions in the aftermath of 9/11, or was that some other nation dishing out the fruit salad?

  130. @Garreth Smith

    Yo Garreth Smith!

    To help you find meaning, please refer (below) to the state concept of “caesaro-papist” phenomenon?

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/caesaropapism

    Fyi, minus the religious pretension, I humbly offer that the Saud Royal Family is a pretty good example of a ruler & a phoney faith “practitioner” rolled into one.
    But on other hand, classic historians could make concrete claim for the benevolence of Byzantine Emperors.

    Now, the question: How to classify The American-Israeli Empire, in the context of caesaropapism?

    Best wishes, Garreth! Thanks.

    • Replies: @Garreth Smith
  131. @Sparkon

    Hey Sparkon!

    Regrettably, I think Mr. Bollyn’s WTC Tower’s super thermite takedown-theory is seriously flawed.

    Nonetheless, the majority of his “Solving 9/11″ is far from “rubbish.”

    Am simply amazed how while Christopher Bollyn embarked upon his 9/11 research, he got beaten up by goons impersonating police. Fyi, on that ominous day, Bollyn’s mighty investigation & findings could have been decisively stopped!

    Uh… his latest book “The War on Terror; The Plot to Rule the Middle East,” is available for purchase.

    Funny how a great tide of Truth can hit America in the kisser, and never reach shore at Manhattan Island?

    Thanks, Sparkon! Good tinkin’!

  132. @Sparkon

    Like Detective Columbo used to say, Sparkon, “uh, just one more thing?”

    Easy to detect & “figure-out” the line of poorly done deception gives good deception a bad name.

    Thanks!

  133. @ChuckOrloski

    Now, the question: How to classify The American-Israeli Empire, in the context of caesaropapism?

    Mr. Orloski

    If The American-Israeli Empire is following the Judeo-Christians ethos, then it is doomed for failure. But the question is there Judeo-Christians ethos?

    I don’t believe so, yes there is Judeo ethos and Christians ethos, but they are miles apart. The reason The American-Israeli Empire is doomed for failure, because it is following the Judeo ethos, as I don’t think Israel is capable to follow the Christians ethos.

    Best wishes to you too, Chuck! Thanks.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  134. @Garreth Smith

    In response to my question, Garreth Smith opined: “The American-Israeli Empire is doomed for failure, because it is following the Judeo ethos…,”

    Thanks! Re; above point, & speaking very respectfully, I humbly think such is a bad rap for even (prejudiced) “Judeo ethics.”

    • Replies: @Garreth Smith
    , @JamesinNM
  135. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks! Re; above point, & speaking very respectfully, I humbly think such is a bad rap for even (prejudiced) “Judeo ethics.”

    The Rabbi tried in vain to bring them back to the real ethos of Moses (the real Judeo ethos), but what did they to do to the Rabbi? They murdered him!

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  136. JamesinNM says:

    Time to neuter the House of Saud figuratively as well as literally.

  137. JamesinNM says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Israel does not follow the Jedi ethos. Compare the Talmud and Quran.

  138. JamesinNM says:

    Read Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

  139. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon

    “Did the Bush family (W., H.W., and Jeb) play any part in the planning and carrying out and covering up of 9/11?”

    What would have happened if Bush did not agree to attack Saddam on the basis of 911? What would have happened if Bush did not start agreeing with the canard that Saddam and 911 , Saddam and anthrax were all connected ? He would have been impeached or would have been forced to undergo daily humiliations for failing to protect USA.. He would have ben accused of ( rightly so ) that he failed to take action on known intelligence available to him.

  140. Sparkon says:

    He would have been impeached or would have been forced to undergo daily humiliations for failing to protect USA.. He would have ben accused of ( rightly so ) that he failed to take action on known intelligence available to him.

    Beyond your imagination, on what do you base this speculative scenario? Was it “known intelligence” or was it bogus intelligence?

    In any event, please recall that President George W. Bush certainly did not face daily humiliation, impeachment, or even any tough questions at all after he “failed to take action” when advised by Andrew Card that “America is under attack.”

    Instead of taking immediate action, or any action at all, the Commander-in-Chief just continued to sit in the classroom listening to droning kids as if he had not a care in the word, nor any responsibility at all to defend our nation when it was under attack.

    Did Bush’s failure to react have anything to do with the sign scrawled by Ari Fleischer and held up for Bush to see at Booker?

    “DON’T SAY ANYTHING YET”

    Why would Bush’s press secretary advise him to keep quiet when planes were said to be flying into skyscrapers in NYC? Indeed, how did Fleischer even know what Card had whispered to Bush?

    Next, Bush and his staff returned to the holding room, where Bush watched footage of the planes hitting the Twin Towers for the first time

    –Elise Viebeck, Washington Post

    But recall that Bush said later on at least two occasions that he’d already watched the first plane crashing into the WTC on TV while waiting to go into the classroom at Booker, even though that footage was not broadcast live on 9/11, and almost certainly would not have been available to Bush and his staff in Florida that quickly.

    It’s a tangled web alright, so keep on tangling.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @anon
  141. @Sparkon

    Very informatively, Sparkon wrote: “Indeed, how did Fleischer even know what Card had whispered to Bush?”

    Greetings, Sparkon!

    Above, had no knowledge about Ari Fleischer’s presence during Card’s having whispered catastrophic information into W. Bush’s ear.

    So, so weird and of course suspicious.

    Btw, am doubtful, Sparkon, but do you know if there was any US government inquiry/investigation into this matter?

    Thanks a lot!!!

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  142. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon

    Intelligence of possible attack on twin tower or other high rise buildings by planes by Al Quaida were streaming live until Aug 2001. Powerful forces within Bush cabinet ignored it . The same forces were asking the intelligence not to waste energy on Al Quida but spend it on Saddam. These forces took the charge of the direction of the government immidiately after 911.
    If Bush did not oblige them, he would have faced political demise .

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  143. @anon

    Hey # 116!

    Below, fyr, is a clip depicting Netanyahu killing hope in the EU.

    Poor, poor Europeans? The knowledgeable are well aware of Israel’s hateful obsession to take down the Islamic Republic of Iran.

    Thanks for making solid points for consideration!

  144. Almanar English Website’s take on Khashoggi and the possibility of a palace coup when King Salman finally dies:

    The Straw that Broke the Camel’s Back in Khashoggi Crime

    http://english.almanar.com.lb/614154

  145. Sparkon says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Chuck!

    No, as far as I know, the matter of Fleischer’s sign was not addressed by the Keane Commission:

    The President was seated in a classroom of second graders when, at approximately 9:05, Andrew Card whispered to him, “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.” The president told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis.

    The national press corps was standing behind the children in the classroom; he saw their phones and pagers start to ring. The president felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening.

    https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing12/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-06-17.htm

    Sure, no sense getting excited about a couple planes crashing into the WTC. And of course the best place for Pres. Bush to better understand what was happening was for him to remain seated in his chair in the classroom where his staff could whisper in his ear and hold up signs for him. Indeed, the chief exec was projecting his signature strength and calm so successfully that his security detail presumably considered the powerful projections were more than adequate to ward off any further terrorist attacks with hijacked airplanes, and so they could dispense with the hassle of moving to a secure location.

    I kid you just a little, but more seriously, I will never understand why Bush didn’t simply stand up and stride from the room. No need for the President of the United States to explain anything to anybody at that moment of crisis. He had both his chief of staff and his press secretary right there. Surely those two geniuses could have cobbled together a passable if not brilliantly terse statement for the press, something along the lines of…

    Because of the situation in New York City, Pres. Bush won’t say anything yet. will be conferring with his national security advisors. All further events for the day are canceled.

    Nobody in the world would question it.

    That would have been good deception, whereas bad deception attracts unwanted attention to itself by some incongruity, inconsistency, irregularity, nonconformity, or abnormality in form or function of the pig in a poke that finally lets the cat out of the bag.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  146. @Sparkon

    Having looked into the weird “classroom” & the Keane Commission’s washed-aftermath inferno, Sparkon pondered and wrote: “That would have been good deception, whereas bad deception attracts unwanted attention to itself by some incongruity, inconsistency, irregularity…,”

    Hey Sparkon, above Right on!

    Mentioned before about my epiphany on the topic of Deception soon after I got half way finished with reading John le Carrie’s complex but rewarding novel, “The Little Drummer Girl.” Fyi, Christopher Bollyn noted this book in his “Solving 9/11,” and like Pavlov’s dog — hee-hee — I ordered a copy at Amazon.

    Now I have arrived at a pretty sound conclusion that signals empowered Zionists can do disgusting acts of uniquely SLOPPY deception because they have no fear about getting caught and being held accountable.

    For example: The freshman-level Ari Fleischer “flash card” to the reading Yaleman, George W. Bush, and dumbfounded presidential reaction reminds me of an unrehearsed & hysterical episode of the old TV sitcom “WKRP in Cincinnati.”

    Will explain, Sparkon: During an airwave-crisis, WKRP’s extraordinary comical salesman (Herb) told “The Big Guy” (Mr. Carlson) that, as provoked by his disk jockey (Johnny Fever), hundreds of pissed-off Cincinnati residents are tossing their house garbage in front of City Hall! (Zigh) Lawsuits underway against the floundering radio station! “What is to be done.” (V.I. Lenin)

    Moral to sitcom: America is really fucked worse than a horny One-Trick-Poney pastured at Crawford Ranch! And deceived ZUS citizens might as well get prepared to move into insecure FEMA/Fake Corporate News assigned-shelters, when the shit hits the fan.

    Thanks for digging into the inferno & sharing your findings, Sparkon.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  147. Sparkon says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    We’re all in it together, kid.”

    Harry Wastes Central Services
    Brazil

  148. Art says:

    It seems that Netanyahu has now decided to back the Saudi prince – MBS. (More evil for the ME. Sad.)

    Poor Daddy Trump – he will have to betray America and its values again, by playing kissy face with the acknowledged murderer MBS.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    p.s. When Ivanka converted to Judaism did she take a new name – Salome?

    • Replies: @Art
  149. America Under Total Occupation and Enslavement – FOREVER…

    LE LOBBY – U.S.A. la guerre secrète (épisode 1)

    Le lobby – USA: Orienter les élites (épisode 2)

  150. Oil still rules the world.

  151. Free Speech says: • Website

    US is a puppet of isreal, and Saudi is a puppet of the US. That is how it was and is. But with the Khashoggi murder, will the situation change? Do not hold your breath, because isreal and its lobby controls everything. And here is how it is done:

    LE LOBBY – U.S.A. la guerre secrète (épisode 1)

    Le lobby – USA: Orienter les élites (épisode 2)

  152. buckwheat says:

    Nobody likes snakes, Khashoggi died for being one. I for one say good riddance and if all Saudi’s met the same fate don’t tell me the world wouldn’t be better for it.

  153. Art says:
    @Art

    It seems that Netanyahu has now decided to back the Saudi prince – MBS.

    It seems that Netanyahu’s endorsement may have been a kiss of death!

    European Source: Ahmed Bin Abdulaziz to Replace MbS

    The Arabic-language al-Binaa newspaper on Saturday quoted the European source as saying, “Bin Salman is drowned and is about to drown Saudi Arabia too; and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s attempts to save bin Salman are more like artificial respiration to him.”

    It also added that Mohammed bin Nayef who was the crown prince of Saudi Arabia until June 2017 has been picked up again to be the deputy and heir to the new Crown Prince Ahmed.

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970812000983

    Think peace — Art

    • Replies: @Iris
  154. Erebus says:
    @Anonymous

    Do you think the Turks know?

    I think the Turks are making things up on the fly to suit changing political purposes.
    The latest story I’ve heard, as told by Erdogan’s close aide Yigit Bulut to TRT TV, is that Greece, Egypt, and Israel is behind the murder.
    Sure, why not? The whole thing was bizarre from the first, and got bizzarre-ier as it went.

    I remain unconvinced that he’s even dead. Maybe he was just trying to shake that “fiancee” that had latched on to him.

  155. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    The american outrage about killing people is what I call selective outrage. I saw no outrage when the Israelis killed American citizen Rachel Corrie. Our newspapers do not even report on the numerous genocidal acts committed in the mid-east. They consider it a waste of ink.

  156. Iris says:
    @Art

    Thank you Art, very interesting.

    “Al Binaa” is a very well-informed and very respected newspaper: they had insider information and knew long before it went public that the Russian military had categorically rejected the Israeli version of the downing of the IL-20 over Syria.

    Below is an article by the “Al Binaa” editor, Nasser Quindeel. He indeed states that President Trump and Netanyahu are desperately trying to rescue MBS, who is a key asset in their strategy to destroy Iran.

    https://www.al-binaa.com/archives/article/200711

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @anon
    , @Anonymous
  157. @Iris

    Hey Iris!

    Looked it up & learned Saudi Arabia dies not recognize the state of Israel. Uh, so there’s no official KSA embassy in Tel Aviv? Just a hang out?

    Nonetheless, given Israel’s position as the American-Israeli Empire’s financial dynamo, the “leadership” of restless countries, South of Mexico, are hopping upon the Trump train to Jerusalem. Please refer to Times of Israel, below and thanks, Iris!

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/guatemala-to-move-its-embassy-to-jerusalem-on-may-16/

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Art
  158. Iris says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hello Chuck;
    You raise indeed a very interesting point. Until a few years ago, the strategic alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel was a well-kept secret. The Saudis needed to pretend having nothing to do with Israel, in order to keep the semblance of leadership over the Muslim world conferred to them by a geographical accident: their control over Islam’s holy sites.

    The war on Syria has constituted an extraordinary, fast-forward exposure of the deception. The Saudi-Israeli strategic alliance is now widely accepted as a fact.

    In the video below, from another much respected Arab channel, “Al Mayadeen”, it is reported how Netanyahu rejoices and welcomes President Trump’s sanctions against Iran, calling them “historic”. Then Netanyahu goes on saying that despite the regrettable Khashoggi murder, Saudi Arabia must not be “destabilised”, by fear of modifying the balance of power in the region.

    In other terms, Netanyahu is publicly supporting MBS despite the Khashoggi murder.
    With regards.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  159. @Iris

    A brilliant & free observation, Iris wrote: “Then Netanyahu goes on saying that despite the regrettable Khashoggi murder, Saudi Arabia must not be “destabilised”, by fear of modifying the balance of power in the region.”

    Thanks, Iris! You brought my rather freshman-level Kingdom of Saudi Arabia comment (observation) to a higher level of otherwise pot holes political understanding, awareness.

    P.S. Regarding the occult (alleged?) Kashoggi murder, Unrealism was pushed to the American common sense limits.
    But we know how they had “practice” with the killing of OBL and ZUSA-sanctified Gitmo imprisonment (without civilian trial) of “Mastermind,” KSM.

  160. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:

    Arabs are Semites, too. Ergo, Israelis practice antisemitism themselves.

    Chosenites created their wall shtetl by terrorizing native Palestinians (via Jewish terrorist militias like the Irgun, Haganah, Palmach, etc.), funding the resulting Fourth Reich with Uncle Sucker’s simoleons and European Holycaust guilt-gelt.

    Strangely, Matzonians never recognized the right of Germany to be an Aryan State. Why not? After all, Bagelstan wants Palestinians to recognize IT as a Jewish State.

    Odd, too, how Bibi emulates Adolf by stealing the Other’s land. Yet why not? If Yahweh gave all of the Levant to Bagelians, then Thor gave all the vaterland’s “lebensraum” to Krauts.

    Stranger still is Israel, after 70 years, still not cutting its own ice. It gets over $3,800,000,000 annually for being a rogue entity…money that should go to Ireland (which not only oppresses no one but has more sons and daughters of Eire in the USA) and/or Puerto Rico (whose citizens are actually Americans).

    If you disagree, you’re antiteutonic.

    Finally, it’s funny how 2.5% of the USA controls so much foreign and domestic policies, eh wot?

  161. Art says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Looked it up & learned Saudi Arabia dies not recognize the state of Israel.

    Chuck and Iris,

    An Aside.

    How America was coerced in supporting the likes of Israel and Saudi, has to be the greatest story of all time.

    It is an unthinkable combination, America driven by the newest ideas about freedom, and the other two driven by the oldest tribal ideas of antiquity.

    How can Zionism and Wahhabism dominate freedom?

    We will right this ship – it is written.

    Think Peace — Art

  162. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    Recognition doesn’t matter in today’s world anymore

    It is a criminal enterprise and parties want to keep it under the wraps

  163. ANON[228] • Disclaimer says:

    Nahum Barnea, a leading Israeli commentator, writing in Yedioth Ahronoth in May (in Hebrew), set out, unambiguously, the ‘deal’ behind Trump’s Middle East policy: In the wake of the US exit from JCPOA [which occurred on 8 May], Trump, Barnea wrote, will threaten a rain of ‘fire and fury’ onto Tehran … whilst Putin is expected to restrain Iran from attacking Israel using Syrian territory, thus leaving Netanyahu free to set new ‘rules of the game’ by which the Israel may attack and destroy Iranian forces anywhere in Syria (and not just in the border area, as earlier agreed) when it wishes, without fear of retaliation.
    This represented one level to the Netanyahu strategy: Iranian restraint, plus Russian acquiescence to coordinated Israeli air operations over Syria. “There is only one thing that isn’t clear [concerning this deal]”, a senior Israeli Defence official closest to Netanyahu, told Ben Caspit, “that is, who works for whom? Does Netanyahu work for Trump, or is President Trump at the service of Netanyahu … From the outside … it looks like the two men are perfectly in sync. From the inside, this seems even more so: This kind of cooperation … sometimes makes it seem as if they are actually just one single, large office”.
    There has been, from the outset, a second level, too: This entire ‘inverted pyramid’ of Middle East engineering had, as its single point of departure, Mohammed bin Salman (MbS). It was Jared Kushner, the Washington Post reports, who “championed Mohammed as a reformer poised to usher the ultraconservative, oil-rich monarchy into modernity. Kushner privately argued for months, last year, that Mohammed would be key to crafting a Middle East peace plan, and that with the prince’s blessing, much of the Arab world would follow”. It was Kushner, the Post continued, “who pushed his father-in-law to make his first foreign trip as president to Riyadh, against objections from then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson – and warnings from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis”. https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/11/05/unraveling-netanyahu-project-for-middle-east.html

    BUT THINGS CHANGED DEATH IN TURKEY UPENDED SAUDI PLANS and ISRAEL’s CONFIDENCE IN GETTING DIRTY WORK DONE THROUGH SAUDI + USA.

    “e al-Saud family, one may surmise, will have no appetite to replace one disastrous and costly war (Yemen), with another – an even greater conflict, with its large and powerful neighbor, Iran. It makes no sense now. Perhaps this is why we see signs of Israel rushing to hurry Arab state normalisation – even absent any amelioration for the Palestinians.
    Nehum Barnea presciently noted in his May article in Yediot Ahoronot: “Trump could have declared a US withdrawal [from the JCPOA], and made do with that. But under the influence of Netanyahu and of his new team, he chose to go one step further. The economic sanctions on Iran will be much tighter, beyond what they were, before the nuclear agreement was signed. “Hit them in their pockets”, Netanyahu advised Trump: “if you hit them in their pockets, they will choke; and when they choke, they will throw out the ayatollahs””.
    This was another bit of ‘stovepiped’ advice passed directly to the US President. His officials might have warned him that it was fantasy. –https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/11/05/unraveling-netanyahu-project-for-middle-east.html

  164. Anonymous[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    ” MBS, who is a key asset in their strategy to destroy Iran.”

    Key asset is indeed! This is why the asset was created . Asset like any other asset can be ambitious ruthless and very useful when not legally entitled to what the asset wants. So the asset finds out how he could realize his dream: well by becoming an asset, making self indispensable . Israel; created this asset The asset sought Israel out.

    How does one become an asset in the eyes of the US- —-support woman’s rights ( here and there some cosmetic changes like driving nothing else, support Israel ) Now Israel says how you could support me unless you agree with what I think necessary- Agree to Jewish state only , agree t destroying Iran ( and we Israel will supply you with the slogans and the narratives for your domestic and for our international audience – at home you -Saudis will talk about Sunni about Shia -Sunni fights abut Shia destroying Moderate Sauids ( Yeah moderate Al Quiada ) , abut the hegemony of Iran like supporting Syrian regime but you cant persuade the world , so we will start saying Iran nuclear threat is threat to the world, Iran is killing American, Iran is killing freedom- loving ,America- loving citizen Iran is killing everybody ( and you can add anything you want , no body has lost a job at Government or CNN or NYT for lying )

    1 https://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-over-one-million-israeli-muslims-to-be-barred-from-making-hajj-to-mecca-1.6632099—But Saudi has changed the rules. Members of the Israeli hajj and umrah committee recently learned that its leaders would be barred from entering Saudi Arabia even with the temporary Jordanian passports for a planned umrah pilgrimage in December.
    The chairman of the committee, Hajj Salim Shalata, told Haaretz that in contacts with Jordan’s Ministry of Awqaf Islamic Affairs and Holy Places, he learned that the Saudi authorities would no longer honor temporary Jordanian passports. Anyone seeking to enter Saudi Arabia must have a regular passport, a change that effectively blocks Israel’s Muslim citizens – which comprise 17 percent of Israel’s population

    2 https://www.middleeasteye.net/saudi-arabia-barring-Palestinians-hajj-umrah-passport-ban—A Jordanian source, with an inside knowledge of his country’s diplomatic affairs, told MEE that the Saudi decision is part of a bilateral agreement with Israel to put an end to the “Palestinian identity and the right of return for refugees”.
    “Saudi Arabia is pressuring Jordan to naturalise the Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Palestinians in East Jerusalem, and now Palestinians in Israel. The same could happen in Lebanon. Then, you will not have a Palestinian refugees problem,” the source said.
    “It is all part of a bilateral agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia. But Jordan is refusing to naturalise Palestinians.”

  165. JLK says:

    Not too long ago the Saudis and their US lobby were portrayed as a real force in US politics and a counterweight to AIPAC.

    Now we are openly discussing picking their leaders for them. The mask seems to have come off.

    • Replies: @anon
  166. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    Saudis are like Evangelical They have a perch because they are given one . They can scream from the perch because they are allowed to scream. They say nasty things and obscure things that appeal to the stupid base of the Saudi/Evangelical base. They are not allowed to say what matters, what is enlightening, what is though provoking,what is true,what is relevant,what is necessary to bring peace to the world and mainly to the ME.

    They are allowed to say mean things about Jews and Israel. Because they are allowed to do so.

    Now they are allowed to do it because -

    1 It proves the existence of antisemitism which has 2 relevance- one for Jews that this antisemitism helps Israel and helps Zionist while hurts no jew’s interest
    2 The informed but not fully informed and educated citizen recoil at the stupid antisemitism of Sauids/Evangelical that helps Israel and undermines any Saudi/Evangelical PR.

    But the Sauid get what they want- freedom from harassment from freedom loving humanity loving human right loving woman right loving American and Europe.

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