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The stars came out in Hollywood on November 2nd, or at least some of them did. The gala event celebrated the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and raised funds to support its mission in Israel itself and on the occupied West Bank. The organization being fêted was the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF), which has fourteen regional offices in the United States and operates under the slogan “Their job is to look after Israel. Our job is to look after them.” In attendance were Arnold Schwarzenegger and actor Gerald Butler. Entertainment was provided by the singer Seal.

Hollywood Jewish royalty was thick on the ground, the grub was strictly kosher and billionaires competed to see who could give the most to such a worthy cause. The 1,200 attendees at the Beverly Hilton Hotel donated a record $53.8 million, with Oracle founder Larry Ellison leading the pack with a contribution of $16.6 million. Israeli media mogul Haim Saban, Hillary Clinton’s most generous supporter, served as host of the event and donated $5 million. Two weeks ago, a similar gathering of 1,200 in New York City dubbed “A Night of Heroes,” attended by GOP major donor casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, raised $35 million, $7 million coming from Adelson personally. FIDF reportedly was sitting on $190 million in contributions for the year before the Hollywood and New York events.

Donations to FIDF are tax deductible as the organization is registered with the U.S. Treasury as a 501(c)3 educational and charitable non-profit foundation. One might well ask how it is possible that the American taxpayer should subsidize a foreign military organization that is regularly accused of war crimes in its ongoing brutal and genocidal occupation of the Palestinian West Bank and East Jerusalem? One might also wonder how an organization that continues a military occupation in opposition to multiple United Nations resolutions that have been endorsed by Washington gets any kind of tax break at all? And finally, one might reasonably ask why an organization that already gets in excess of $3.8 billion annually directly from the U.S. Treasury needs more money to allegedly provide creature comforts for its soldiers?

The answer to all of the above would be that Jewish power in the United States makes it happen. But more particularly, it is Jewish money that does the trick since cash on the table provides access both to the media and to the people that matter in Washington. A tight circle of billionaire oligarchs, including Saban, Ellison and Adelson as well as Paul Singer and Bernard Marcus directly support organizations like FIDF as well as major pro-Israel groups like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, the America Israel Public Affairs Committee, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the Anti-Defamation League and the Jewish Institute for National Security of America. The billionaires are not shy about where their loyalty lies, boasting as does Saban, that he is a one issue guy and that issue is Israel. Adelson has stated that he wishes that he had served in the Israeli army instead of the U.S. military and wants his son to grow up to “be a sniper for the IDF.” Both have publicly advocated bombing Iran. In Adelson’s case, the bomb would be nuclear.

Sometimes both the Israel agenda and the financial support is deliberately hidden, as in the case of the recently launched “Christian engagement in the Middle East” anti-Iran Philos Project, which was funded by Singer. The billionaires also directly donate to the campaigns of politicians and support projects that engage in the message management that is used to justify pro-Israel policies in Congress and the media.

Much of the current agitation to “do something” about Iran comes, for example, from these groups and media assets. In truth, American aid to Israel has become virtually untouchable and is something like a goose that keeps on laying golden eggs. The operation of “The Lobby,” generally regarded as the most powerful voice on foreign policy in Washington, led Professors Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer to ask, “Why has the U.S. been willing to set aside its own security … in order to advance the interests of another state? [No] explanation can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the U.S. provides.” They observed that “Other special interest groups have managed to skew foreign policy, but no lobby has managed to divert it as far from what the national interest would suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. interests and those of the other country—in this case, Israel—are essentially identical.”

The money committed by the Jewish oligarchs on behalf of Israel has turned out to be a good investment, returning billions for millions spent. Since the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948, it has been “the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II,” according to the Congressional Research Service. The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in adjusted for inflation aid between 1948 through the end of 2012, reports Haaretz.

The $38 billion over ten years in military assistance that the Obama recently promised to Israel is far less than what will actually be received from the United States Treasury and from other American sources, including handouts from Congress. To cite only one recent example, in September Congressman Alcee Hastings proposed a legislative amendment that would give $12 million to help settle Israel’s Ethiopian community. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), speaking in the most recent legislative discussion over Israeli aid, stated that the $38 billion should be regarded as a minimum amount, and that Congress should approve additional funds for Israeli defense as needed.

At its most recent meeting in March 2017, AIPAC announced the latest windfall from America, applauding “the U.S. House of Representatives for significantly bolstering its support of U.S.-Israel missile defense cooperation in the FY 2017 defense appropriations bill. The House appropriated $600.7 million for U.S.-Israel missile defense programs.” And there is a long history of such special funding for Israeli-connected projects. The Iron Dome missile-defense system was largely funded by the United States, to the tune of more than $1 billion. In the 1980s, the Israeli Lavi jet-fighter development program was funded by Washington, costing $2 billion to the U.S. taxpayer before it was terminated over technical and other problems, part of $5.45 billion in Pentagon funding of various Israeli weapons projects through 2002.

How Israel gets money from the United States Treasury is actually quite complex and not very transparent to the American public, going well beyond the check for $3.8 billion handed over at the beginning of the fiscal year on October 1st. Even that check, uniquely given to aid recipient Israel as one lump sum on the first day of the year, is manipulated to produce extra revenue. It is normally immediately redeposited with the U.S. Treasury, which then, because it operates on a deficit, borrows the money to pay interest on it as the Israelis draw it down. That interest payment costs the American taxpayer an estimated $100 million more per year. Israel has also been adept at using “loan guarantees,” an issue that may have contributed to the downfall of President George H.W. Bush. The reality is that the loans, totaling $42 billion, are never repaid by Israel, meaning that the United States Treasury picks up the tab on principle and interest, a form of additional assistance. The Bush-era loan amounted to $10 billion.

Department of Defense co-production projects, preferential contracting, “scrapping” or “surplusing” of usable equipment that is then turned over to the IDF, as well as the forward deployment of military hardware to an Israeli base, are considerable benefits to Tel Aviv’s bottom line. Much of this assistance is hidden from view.

In September 2012, Israel’s former commander-in-chief, Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, admitted at a conference that between 2009 and 2012 American taxpayers had paid for more of his country’s defense budget than had Israeli taxpayers. Those numbers have been disputed, but the fact remains that a considerable portion of the Israeli military spending comes from the United States. It currently is more than 20 percent of the total $16 billion budget, not counting special appropriations.

Through tax exemptions, the U.S. government also subsidizes the coordinated effort to provide additional assistance to Israel. Like FIDF, most organizations and foundations that might reasonably be considered active parts of the Israel Lobby are generally registered with the Department of the Treasury as tax-exempt foundations. Grant Smith, speaking at a conference on the U.S. and Israel on March 24th, explained how the broader Israel Lobby uses this legal framework:

“Key U.S. organizations include the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the American Jewish Committee (AJC), the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Hundreds more, including a small number of evangelical Christian organizations, play a role within a vast ecosystem that demands unconditional U.S. support for Israel. In the year 2012 the nonprofit wing of the Israel lobby raised $3.7 billion in revenue. They are on track to reach $6.3 billion by 2020. Collectively they employed 14,000 and claimed 350,000 volunteers.”

The $3.7 billion raised in 2012 does not include the billions in private donations that go directly to Israel, plus billions in contributions that are regarded as “religious exemptions” for groups that don’t file at all. There are also contributions sent straight to various Israeli-based foundations that are themselves often registered as charities. The Forward magazine investigated 3,600 Jewish tax-exempt charitable foundations in 2014 and determined that they had net assets of $26 billion, $12–14 billion in annual revenue, and “focuse[d] the largest share of [their] donor dollars on Israel.” The Forward added that it is “an apparatus that benefits massively from the U.S. federal government and many state and local governments, in the form of hundreds of millions of dollars in government grants, billions in tax-deductible donations and billions more in program fees paid for with government funds.”

Money being fungible, some American Jews have been surprised to learn that the donations that they had presumed were going to charitable causes in Israel have instead wound up in expanding the illegal settlements on the West Bank, an objective that they sometimes do not support. Donald Trump’s son-in-law and advisor Jared Kushner has a family foundation that has made donations to Israel, including funding of West Bank settlements, which is illegal under U.S. law, as has Ambassador David Friedman.

Israel also benefits in other ways, frequently due to legislative action by Congress. It enjoys free and even preferential trade status with the United States and runs a $9 billion trade surplus per annum. Its companies and parastatal organizations can, without any restrictions, bid on U.S. defense and homeland-security projects—a privilege normally only granted to NATO partners. It’s major defense contractor Elbit recently was awarded a multi-million dollar contract to apply technologies to defend American tanks. It was a prime example of U.S. aid subsidizing an Israeli industry that then competes directly with American companies, producing a loss of jobs in the United States.

And the transfer of public money to Israel is common even at state and local levels. Some state treasuries and pension funds have purchased Israel Bonds, which are a bad investment, putting retirees at risk, as they have to be held to maturity and therefore have no secondary market and lack liquidity. Most recently, the Ohio Treasurer’s office bought a record $61 million in Israel Bonds on April 3rd. Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel admitted the purchase was in response to the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, meaning that Ohio taxpayers are unsuspecting participants in a risky investment scheme largely intended to punish critics of Israel. Mandel is, not surprisingly, hardly a disinterested party on the subject of Israel. He was a member of AIPAC while attending Ohio State University and spoke at its 2008 Policy Conference in Washington. After denouncing Iran, he said that “Israel is our best friend and ally in the Middle East and it’s important that we maintain a strong and lasting relationship with them.” Eighty other state and municipal public employee pension and treasury funds have also reportedly bought the bonds.

The U.S.-Israeli bilateral relationship has been an expensive proposition for Americans, yet another instance where the perceived needs of a U.S. “ally” take precedence over genuine national interests. Tens of billions of dollars need not necessarily be spent to placate a wealthy foreign country and its powerful domestic lobby or to satisfy the pretensions of the billionaires who grease the machinery to keep Israel’s money machine operating.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

 
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  1. Dingo jay says: • Website

    There is a lot talk about Russian influence on our election process but nobody mentions the influence the israel.lobby exerts on our politicians and how they vote.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @gwynedd1
  2. One might well ask how it is possible that the American taxpayer should subsidize a foreign military organization that is regularly accused of war crimes in its ongoing brutal and genocidal occupation

    I don’t have much sympathy for the state of Israel nowadays, but Dr Giraldi should really avoid hyperbole like calling Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands “genocidal”. Given the demographic trends of the Palestinian population under that occupation (steady population growth, high birthrate) this is just not credible and hurts his argument.

  3. SND says:

    From the look on Babs’ face it seems that money can’t buy happiness.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  4. geokat62 says:

    Keep shining that spotlight, Phil… the night-flower is visibly beginning to wilt.

    • Agree: Rurik, Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @Dr. X
  5. Sloopyjoe says:

    “Why has the U.S. been willing to set aside its own security … in order to advance the interests of another state?

    Answer: Because a portion of the Israel bound funds are recycled into the pockets of the political whores in D.C. who willingly lap dance for any contributor. Special preferences are given to the regular customers (many of whom are probably blackmailed via the Rothschild/Mossad controlled Jewish Epstein’s Fantasy Pedophile Island with regular deliveries courtesy of the Lolita Express).

    Outside Independence Hall when
    the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended,
    Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
    “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
    With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
    “A republic, if you can keep it.”

    The Republic has long been lost and usurped by an Oligarchical Corporatocracy that is morphing into a Fascist Totalitarianism controlled by the City Corporation of London (That’s right my fellow Yankistanis. The USSA is STILL a British Colony. Independence my Astrolab!!!). Look up the DTCC (Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation) and find who the SOLE Nominee is and where they are located. Hint: C**e and Co. (THEY love their juvenile word games). If any of y’all have never heard of the DTCC, then I would suggest you take a few Red Pills and cure yourselves of an ancient disease known better by its Roman name of Headis Upis Gluteous Maximus.

    The Talmudic Tapeworm is just a part of the insidious cancer that is destroying Yankistan from within by draining its blood and treasure before moving on to its next hosts in the East.

    http://www.dtcc.com/about

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_%26_Clearing_Corporation

    Destroying the Paper Trail of Fraud by sabotaging the Chain of Title.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-15/dtcc-provides-update-status-flooded-securities-vault

    Hang the Bankers. ALL Wars are Bankster Wars.

    Beware of the coming Petro-Yuan-Gold rollout in December. The Alice in Wonderland World of Yankistan to be forever changed and flushed.

    • Replies: @Issac
  6. CCZ says:

    Maybe old news for some:

    “U.S. and Israeli officers broke ground in Israel on Monday for a permanent U.S. Army base that will house dozens of U.S. soldiers, operating under the American flag, and charged with the mission of defending against rocket and missile attack.”

    https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2017/09/18/us-breaks-ground-for-new-permanent-base-in-israel/

    Doubt that Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF) are contributing.

    • Replies: @Fed up Goy
  7. Sloopyjoe says:

    What does the Israeli Money Machine buy?

    Israeli Control of USSA Politicians

    TREASONOUS USSA Political Whores who may need a little necking stretching

    Internet crackdown

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-internet-crackdown-begins-u-s-senator-al-franken-wants-google-facebook-and-twitter-to-censor-political-speech

    Israel campaigns against global free speech

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/israel-campaigns-against-global-free-speech/

    Warmongering psychopath and Neo-con CIA whore McCain

    http://theduran.com/isis-supporting-us-senator-john-mccain-blasts-trump-putin-and-assad-in-one-tweet/

    Israel instructs diplomats to support Saudis

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/israel-instructs-diplomats-support-saudis-cable-171110134749905.html

    Inbreeding takes its toll over time

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-350-people-study-finds/

    Let’s try to again rewrite history to fool the Goyim

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-archaeology/archaeologists-vs-robbers-in-israels-race-to-find-ancient-scrolls-idUSKCN0YO17J

    Scientist reveal Jewish historys forgotten Turkic roots

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/scientists-reveal-jewish-historys-forgotten-turkish-roots-a6992076.html

    The Outhouse of Saud: Its Jewish origin and installation by the British Crown

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/12/the-house-of-saud-its-jewish-origin-and-installation-by-the-british-crown/

    Al Saud is proud of being Jewish

    http://en.abna24.com/service/iran/archive/2016/06/18/760877/story.html

    Israel: A nation founded upon a monumental LIE

    http://www.theeventchronicle.com/study/israel-a-nation-founded-upon-a-monumental-lie/

    Behind the Balfour Declaration

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

    These should be enough for now.

    I guess I’m just being “Anti-Semitic”. NOT.

    • Replies: @Mark Green
    , @chris
  8. Wally says: • Website

    And what allows them to get away with all of this?

  9. Meanwhile the Promenaders’ Musical Charities fell just short of £117k for the whole 2017 season of the Proms for what is undoubtedly a more deserving cause.

    http://www.facebook.com/promenaders.musical.charities

  10. Mulegino1 says:

    The photo at the top of the article says it all. International Jewry’s curse is, from all appearances, that the most unpleasant, repulsive and corrupt elements rise to its apogee while the most decent and noble members of this people- such as Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, the late Bobby Fischer, Gerard Menuhin, Brother Nathaniel, inter alia, languish in relative obscurity.

    It is difficult to discern whether the western elites mimic Jewry’s propensity for elevating the very worst elements to prominence or whether it is the opposite, but my money is on the former having been corrupted by the latter. Their leadership, after all, chose Barabbas over Christ, and their dominance of the world of entertainment invariably raises to prominence the very worst and most degenerate dregs of the goyim.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @norm741
  11. I’d be implementing a serious personal security protocol if you are going to keep this up Phil.

    Talk about poking the dragon. Or the elephant in the foreign policy room in this case.

  12. Heros says:

    This is why the IRS has been headed by more jews than Treasury. The power to tax is the power to destroy, and the power to never get audited is the golden road to prosperity. This is why Lois Lerner, Shulman and Koskinen are responsible for the stolen election in 2012.

    Trumps new IRS head, David Kautner, may not be one of god’s chosen, but I am certain Kushner and Mnuchin have a dossier on him.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  13. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The Palestinians aren’t the only people living under Israeli occupation, but at least they resist the Zionist iron boot heel of tyranny, while in its other colony, the USA, the Congress, WH, MSM, Hollywood, large Christian organizations and many Americans actually love being slaves to Apartheid Israel, never tiring of showering free money, free weapons, sweet one-sided trade deals and our protection from reality at the UN.

    Contact your Senator or House member and say American infrastructure is falling apart, it needs funding, and they’ll reply that we can’t afford to add to the debt, yet the sames ones will rush or co-sign bill after bill that gives money and weapons to Israel.

    Try to talk about this and you’ll run into a Zionist buzz saw, getting attacked from every side by people calling you anti-Semitic or a Jew hater or even a neo-Nazi, muddying the waters, without them ever explaining why the USA should be supporting Israel to the detriment of Americans.

  14. Tom Welsh says:

    “Government of the people, by the people, for the people…”

    But which people?

  15. The $38 billion over ten years in military assistance that the Obama recently promised to Israel is far less than what will actually be received from the United States Treasury and from other American sources, including handouts from Congress.

    We can all bet our sweet tushies on that and it would likely take several books to scratch the surface. If we toss in the theft of military secrets and hardware, infiltration of unions, banks, corporations, universities, religious institutions, and government, and the parasitic effect of jewish mobsters, there is no rational way to comprehend the costs involved in the relationship.

    Why this needs to be explained is a wonder to me, but thank gawd we have the likes of PG!

  16. @German_reader

    The intent of Israel policy is genocidal, to remove all Palestinians.

  17. Clyde says:

    Muslim Jihadists have been waging war against humanity since Muhammad in the 600s AD so they are just getting taste of their own medicine via the IDF and a very small one at that. The Burmese Buddhists are onto them and are forcing out the Rohingya Muslims into Bangladesh. The Thai Buddhists have to contend with their Thai Muslims waging war in South Thailand.
    Muslims killed off 80 million Hindus over a few centuries. All Indian and Pakistani Muslims have ancestors who were Hindu who were forced to convert. Same murderous Jihadist idiots ruined Persia. Islam has a very nasty track record like an eBay seller who has an 80% rating that you are not going to do business with. Even the Muslim peacenik Sufis have waged Jihad wars, Kashmir being a current example.

    http://indiafacts.org/sufism-india-bloodied-history/

    • Troll: L.K
  18. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros

    Jews CREATED mass income taxation in USA. for the purpose of funding WWI, from which Jews were main beneficiaries — Jews got Palestine;
    then

    http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/buflr37&div=25&id=&page=

    Class Tax to Mass Tax: The Role of Propaganda in the Expansion of the Income Tax during World War II

    Henry Morgenthau, Jr., FDR’s Treasury chief, brought about that expansion — from taxing 2% of the population to taxing the entire middle class. Morgenthau further initiated payroll deduction for the purpose of funding a war that Jews wanted.

  19. Clyde says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    The intent of Israel policy is genocidal, to remove all Palestinians.

    This must be the most incompetent genocide in history because there are at least three times as many Palestinians as there were in 1948. I am thinking 3x. If Mr. Giraldi or anyone has a better number than post it. The Jews are so smart and clever that their small numbers (in the thousands) can trick a Norway and a Sweden to admit all refugees and immigrants, yet they cannot pull off a Palestinian genocide.

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    The photo at the top of the article says it all. International Jewry’s curse is, from all appearances, that the most unpleasant, repulsive and corrupt elements rise to its apogee while the most decent and noble members of this people- such as Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, the late Bobby Fischer, Gerard Menuhin, Brother Nathaniel, inter alia, languish in relative obscurity.

    At his endgame of life, Bobby Fischer told his Icelandic friend Gardar Sverrisson that, “The only hope for the world is through Catholicism” (Endgame by Frank Brady, 2011, p. 315).

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  21. @German_reader

    Populations under great stress often have high birthrates. Israel would love for all Palestinians to vanish–die.

  22. @Clyde

    Populations under great stress have high birthrates. Israel would have long ago killed Palestinians to extinction if there wasn’t consequences that they know EVEN THEY would have to face, even with unconditional US protection.support from a corrupted American political system.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  23. geokat62 says:
    @Clyde

    This must be the most incompetent genocide in history because there are at least three times as many Palestinians as there were in 1948.

    They came very close in ’48 when they ethnically cleansed 80% of the indigenous population. Something tells me they will keep at it until they succeed.

    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine is a book authored by New Historian Ilan Pappé and published in 2006 by One World Oxford.

    During the 1948 Palestine war, around 720,000 Palestinian Arabs out of the 900,000 who lived in the territories that became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes. The causes of this exodus are controversial and debated by historians. In his own words, Ilan Pappé “want[s] to make the case for the paradigm of ethnic cleansing and use[s] it to replace the paradigm of war as the basis for the scholarly research of, and public debate about, 1948.”

    The thesis of the book is that the forced move of Palestinians to the Arab world was an objective of the Zionist movement and a must for the desired character of the Jewish state. According to Pappé, the 1948 Palestinian exodus resulted from a planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine that was implemented by the Zionist movement leaders, mainly David Ben-Gurion and the other ten members of his “consultancy group” as referred to by Pappé. The book argues that the ethnic cleansing was put into effect through systematic expulsions of about 500 Arab villages, as well as terrorist attacks executed mainly by members of the Irgun and Haganah troops against the civilian population. Ilan Pappé also refers to Plan Dalet and to the village files as a proof of the planned expulsions.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine

  24. geokat62 says:

    Phil, in case you didn’t know, Tuesday has become my favourite day of the week.

    • Agree: chris
  25. When I read the title I expected Soros’ Open Society to be mentioned.
    But indeed, he’s not an Israeli oligarch.

  26. @Clyde

    The Israeli jews are so smart and clever that they themselves caused the Palestinian population explosion.
    In 1948 they ethnically cleansed Palestine of some 900.000 Palestinians.
    Thanks to this and Israeli regulations there are now some four or five million Palestinians.
    They marry at fifteen, just married men with children are allowed to work in Israel, UN food aid just is for families.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  27. wayfarer says:

    Israel, “By way of COWARDICE thou shalt do war!”

    “Saudis, Israel working together to provoke war in Lebanon.”
    source: https://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-document-saudis-israel-working-together-to-provoke-war-in-lebanon/5617851

    “U.S. opens first permanent military base in Israel as tensions with Iran rise.”
    source: https://www.rt.com/usa/403747-us-israel-military-base-permanent/

    2006 war in Lebanon – Israel’s IDF gets its ass kicked.

  28. “Donald Trump’s son-in-law and advisor Jared Kushner has a family foundation that has made donations to Israel, including funding of West Bank settlements, which is illegal under U.S. law, as has Ambassador David Friedman.”

    These two gents, along with Jason Greenblatt, are the lead negotiators in a soon to be reborn US Israeli-Palestinian “peace process”…

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @MEexpert
  29. Sadly we the America taxpayers are contributors to the IDF and in fact are the major contributors to the IDF via the hundreds of billions that have been given to Israel and their IDF since the Israelis were given the Palestinians land to form the illegal state of Israel.

    In fact we Americans are forced to give the IDF this money via the IRS which was forced upon us in 1913 and of course there is the zionist owned FED which was also forced on us in 1913, so we taxpayers are screwed to support zionist Israel and their IDF which is destroying the mideast, this while America is in debt and is becoming a third world country.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  30. @JoaoAlfaiate

    The Saudi Tyrant’s Devilish Plan – Sell Out Palestine For War On Iran

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/11/the-saudi-tyrants-devilish-plan-sell-out-palestine-for-war-on-iran.html

    An internal Saudi memorandum, leaked to the Lebanese paper Al-Akbar, reveals its major elements. . . .

    According to the memo the Saudis are ready to give up on the Palestinian right of return. They forfeit Palestinian sovereignty over Jerusalem and no longer insist of the status of a full state for the Palestinians. In return they ask for a U.S.-Saudi-Israeli (military) alliance against their perceived enemy on the eastern side of the Persian Gulf.

    . . . Netanyahu and Trump’s “shared personal assistant, wunderkind Jared Kushner”, is the point men in these negotiations. He made at least three trips to Saudi Arabia this year, the last one very recently.

  31. @DESERT FOX

    Chas Freeman:

    “We support Israel with our tax dollars and other ways. That makes us culpable. It also gives us the right to be critical.”

  32. theMann says:

    If in the end, all politics is local, then every one of us needs to locally confront our elected officials for their support for all Israel, all the time.

    I confront the Israeli supporters every time, as the twice fold traitors of human history.

    First, because they put the interests of a hostile foreign power ahead of the interests of Americans. Morally, if not legally, treason, and likely at least sedition at the level of law. And if you think Israel isn’t a hostile foreign power, well, a whole lot of commentators have already sited chapter and verse.

    Second, because they deliberately put the interest of Jews ahead of the interest of Christians. Now that argument may not especially work in Yankee land, but in the South it has real resonance. Especially if you confront a local State Rep at Mass….on Good Friday.

    Confront, confront, and confront some more. And if you don’t think this is critically important for the future of our nation, try travelling abound some time, making an effort to talk to ordinary blue collar workers, and found out not how much we are disliked (that would be a lot), but why. Because I guarantee you, our foreign policy is number one on the list.( Ok, maybe number two after lack of language skills, but that is another subject.)

  33. I recall arguing in some context while the Cold War was still alive – early 80s probably – that Israel was like an American army in the Middle East. If that had any validity then, and I guess it seemed plausible to many Americans, it might help explain the continuation of policies more appropriate to the Cold War era. Inertia is real.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Patriot
    , @iffen
  34. @Philip Giraldi

    While there is no doubt a significant number of Israelis would like to force the Palestinians to leave it is not helpful to discriminating argument to ignore that part of the word whose root means killing.

  35. Wade says:

    Jewish oligarchs fund crimes against humanity

    Lol.. Giraldi is on a roll. Keep up the good fight, sir!

  36. nickels says:

    Before 1948 jews made detailed lists of anyone who disagreed publicly with their plans.
    In the Nakba these people were systematically rounded up and murdered.

  37. Rob Jump says:

    Of course Israeli agents don’t have to register. They’re not foreign. Washington and therefore the whole country is wholly owned by Tel Aviv.

    • Replies: @Anon
  38. Avery says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    {…. to remove all Palestinians.}

    Removal is not genocide.
    Forcibly expelling indigenous population is not genocide.
    Ethnic cleansing is not genocide.
    War crimes* is not genocide.
    .
    .
    .
    The State of Israel is guilty of all of the above.
    But only genocide is genocide.
    Sorry, no genocide of Palestinians.

    ______________
    * Goldstone Report.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Rurik
    , @Clyde
  39. Wade says:

    Department of Defense co-production projects, preferential contracting, “scrapping” or “surplusing” of usable equipment that is then turned over to the IDF, as well as the forward deployment of military hardware to an Israeli base, are considerable benefits to Tel Aviv’s bottom line. Much of this assistance is hidden from view.

    And then there was that 2.3 trillion dollars that the Pentagon had “lost” prior to 911 and Donald Rumsfeld taking over the post. I’ve often wondered whether this money was being given directly to Israel. Aid to Israel is classified by the CIA but has been leaked before and so we don’t know how much of our tax money is really being given:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP91-00561R000100030081-9.pdf

    • Replies: @Rurik
  40. Not only Israel’s money machine, but also dumbass goyim are a huge part of the problem.

    …CIA official James Angleton [is an example of] the power that a non-Jewish rightwing nationalist played in knitting the two countries together, and building up Israel.

    “Angleton was was a leading architect of America’s strategic relationship with Israel that endures and dominates the region to this day,” Jefferson Morley writes in The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton. More than any other man, the longtime chief of U.S. counterintelligence made possible Israel’s shift “from an embattled settler state into a strategic ally of the world’s greatest superpower.”

    Angleton did so chiefly by burying any effort in the U.S. intelligence establishment to question Israel’s acquisition of nuclear weapons in the 1960s.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/11/golem-angleton-israel/

  41. Sherman says:

    I read an interview with Larry Ellison in which he expressed great admiration for Israel’s hi tech achievements and he spoke glowingly about Oracle’s operations there.

    However, I never knew of him being particularly active in Jewish or Israeli philanthropic activities.

    Anyway, I’m glad to know one of the wealthiest men on the planet is supporting FIDF.

    Thanks for pointing this out Phil!

  42. @Clyde

    Muslim Jihadists have been waging war against humanity since Muhammad in the 600s AD …blah blah blah…

    Good grief, not another kunspirasee theerist! Enough of that claptrap already.

  43. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dingo jay

    The untouchables. Unfortunately, the level of pernicious influence by Jewish Lobby illuminates the history of the Jews, particularly in Europe. The Lobby not only bites the giving hand – the Lobby devours the giver.
    It is amazing the energy the super-wealthy Jews put to destroy the only true safe haven for the Jews – the US. Add to that the stupid arrogance of Jewish supremacists…
    They have no shame: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/priti-patel-resigns-amid-scandal-over-meetings-with-israeli-officials-1.447647

  44. @Clyde

    This must be the most incompetent genocide in history because there are at least three times as many Palestinians as there were in 1948.

    Sorta like the most incompetent holocaust in history since there seem to be more victims now than there were then? And more victims than even existed in contested areas at the time?

    And not only victims, but it seems that “survivors” keep popping up all over the joint, ad nauseum et infinitum.

  45. MEexpert says:
    @Clyde

    Muslim Jihadists have been waging war against humanity since Muhammad in the 600s AD so they are just getting taste of their own medicine via the IDF and a very small one at that.

    If you don’t know anything about the Islamic history, especially, that during the time of Muhammad (PBUH), you shouldn’t post stupid comments like this.

    During the early days of Islam there were Jews and Christians living in the city of Medinah. Jews, as is their nature, always caused mischief against the Muslims and were fought against. After more than 1400 years, there are still Jews, Christians and other sects living in the Middle East. Muslims did not exterminate them.

    Muslims ruled India for more than 800 years. If they were as murderous as you claim there would not be a single Hindu left in India. So please get your facts straight before copying the Zionist propaganda.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @c matt
    , @Talha
    , @attilathehen
  46. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    You have missed the point: The western civilization has been under an attack from the super-wealthy influential Jews. The ziocons have been the most active pushers for the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East. The western civilization has learnt the hard way that the supremacist Jews (Israelis and Israel-firsters in the US and UK) are genocidal maniacs.

  47. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    You mean, the Nazis had been truly incompetent in Europe in the 30-s and 40-s?
    Look how many Jews have infiltrated both the EU and US! Plus there are large Jewish communities in South America and Eastern Europe. It seems that you suggest to stop talking about WWII Jewish Holocaust. Agree. Long overdue.

    • Replies: @Wally
  48. P.G.: “… or to satisfy the pretensions of the billionaires who grease the machinery to keep Israel’s money making machine operational.”

    To All,

    After taking in Mr. Giraldi’s painfully informative article, I was sort of marooned on a make believe (orgy?) island and began to consider if there were any non-Israel aligned billionaires around.

    Searched and searched. Suddenly like magic almost straight from a discarded bottle, I found the valuable article and an yANSWER (below) from Rehmat’s World!

    https://rehmat1.com/2017/10/18/why-us-billionaires-dont-destroy-israel-lobby/

    Post scriptum: Although Rehmat (reasonably?) considered my past comments at the U.R. both naive and impressionable, I really wish he would return to U.R. and help to provide more awareness as to the real cause of my malady.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  49. MEexpert says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate

    These two gents, along with Jason Greenblatt, are the lead negotiators in a soon to be reborn US Israeli-Palestinian “peace process”…

    Right! Like letting the fox guard the henhouse.

  50. @Avery

    Forcibly expelling **indigenous population** is not genocide.
    Ethnic cleansing is not genocide.

    Then what happened to Jews in Europe 1933 – 1945 was not genocide.

    With these qualifications:

    1. Jews in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Rumania were NOT the “indigenous populations.”

    2. Major Jewish leaders, specifically, Louis Brandeis in collaboration with Rabbi Stephen Wise and Felix Frankfurter (among others) directed that “All Jews leave Germany.”

    3. Vladimir Jabotinsky declared in 1935 that the goal of “high Zionism” was for all Jews everywhere to leave whatever country they were in and move to Palestine.

    4. German Ambassador to USA Hans Luther told reporters for Jewish Telegraph Agency that it was not the aim of National Socialist government (NSDAP) to expel all Jews from Germany — as, indeed, they did not do: thousands of Jews resided in Berlin throughout the war; Rather, Luther said, Jews who had been in Germany since before 1914 could stay; Jews who had migrated to Germany after 1914, and who had “Communistic” tendencies, were not welcome — something like illegal immigrants in USA today.

    Raphael Lemkin is claimed to have invented the word, and defined the idea, genocide.

    Lemkin made clear that total extermination was not necessary for genocide to occur:
    Genocide has two phases:
    one, destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group;
    the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor. This imposition, in turn, may be made upon the oppressed population which is allowed to remain, or upon the territory alone, after removal of the population and the colonization of the area by the oppressor’s own nationals. http://www.dirkmoses.com/uploads/7/3/8/2/7382125/moses_lemkin_culture.pdf

    By that definition, genocide was committed against the German people, by Allied forces, but was NOT committed against Jews in Europe by Germans.

    British ethicist A. C. Grayling has called the deliberate destruction of Germany’s cultural legacy, by firebombing its cities, cathedrals, libraries, and historic monuments and building, “culturecide.”

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?192374-1/among-dead-cities

    Cora Sol Goldstein explains in chilling detail how German cultural artifacts, music, political values, economic values and methods, were systematically removed or destroyed in their tangible forms, and erased from cognitive awareness through by means of four or five years of psychological warfare. Goldstein details how Germans were “Americanized” by an occupying force that held a monopoly on violence and forcibly imposed “democratic” values, consumerism, and “modern” art and iconography.
    SEE http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo6161622.html

    Jews were the foremost among the Oppressors in bot the war against Germany and the aftermath.

    In every way, Jews and the Allies committed a genocide of the German people.

    In less overt ways, Jews — rather, Abrahamics — are carrying on a slow-motion culturecide of the idea of the USA as envisioned by the founders of United States.

    They are using our money, and controlling what our children learn, in pursuit of this soul-deadening agenda.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  51. @Philip Giraldi

    PG is correct. It’s genocide. PG did not say exterminate. But we all know who likes to play with and permute words to suit themselves.

    Anyway…

    Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    Source: Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (relevant links)

    Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the U.N. General Assembly on 9 December 1948.
    Entry into force: 12 January 1951. http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm

  52. gwynedd1 says:
    @Dingo jay

    Yeah, you’d think the Russians first priority would be trying to be discrete. In other words Russia has no influence.

  53. Actually Israel and it’s Judaic people’s have pulled off an amazing coup within US, and it was solely by the corrupt nature of USA financial and political systems that made it so easy.
    That the brainwashing of US being founded upon Judeo/ Christian religious beliefs began long before the Pseudo Israel of today was a seperate nation, made their work easier.
    Today we got an estimated 80 millions die heart Christian Zionist Dominoonist with millions of
    affiliated within US who look not at Washington DC as their Capital city but instead Praise Jerusalem.
    The Judaic lobby is not alone when it wants to apply pressure upon Gov officials or even upon Curriculums and Professors at university levels, as the Christian Zionist apply immense pressure upon their own states elected to support Judaics actions.

    There has always been an overt nature within US of adoration for high profile corrupt individuals and support of various lucrative illegal activities, underground economies and tax cheats, so an easily corruptible system was easily conquered by a very well knit Israel/ Judaic religious and politicly active organizations.
    The 1rst Amendments freedom of religion is and has always been no more than a money making scam and toast estimated 450 billion yearly cash movements by those religious scam artist are tax free and untouchale.
    Gotta give it to the world’s best scam artist They got US and all our goyim tethered to a leash.

  54. Z-man says:
    @SND

    I got this from Taki’s; It was David Cole.

    (remember, Brolin’s dad married Barbra Streisand, so we know for a fact that mental illness runs in the family).

    ROFL!!!

  55. Z-man says:

    Sad that Gerald Butler was involved in that criminal activity (fundraiser) I like some of his movies. But he knows who butters his bread, ZOG bucks!

  56. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon

    said:
    “It seems that you suggest to stop talking about WWII Jewish Holocaust. Agree. Long overdue.”

    Especially since the ’6M Jews’ is the biggest & most easily debunked fraud known to man.

    tax exempt cash taken in by USHMM, aka: ‘Holocau$t’ Theme Park, for fiscal year 2016:
    $151,826,695.00

    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/042717-IRS-Form-990-FY16.pdf

    US taxpayers money to the USHMM in the 2017 budget:
    56,999,500.00

    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Agree: Druid
  57. @Philip Giraldi

    Philip Giraldi, “The intent of Israel policy is genocidal, to remove all Palestinians” AND to establish a colonial world head office for perpetual human slavery to ‘exogenous’ (Latin ‘other-generated’) Talmudic colonial dominance in a ‘roughly’ (I mean ‘compassionless’) geographic centre of the African, European & Asian land mass.
    The schizophrenic psychopathic madness of privileged institutionalized wannabee submissives to oligarch trickledown moneys has led the colonial genocide of 1/2 billion people just over the past 500 years including 100 million people in Africa, 100 million in the Americas, 100 million in the far-east & Australia, 100 million in the Middle-east. Oligarchs follow a descendancy of 7000 years of colonial destruction.
    Mass genocide is financed by a Finance-Media-Education-Military-Industrial-Legislative-Complex. The complex is headed by 3 trillionaire ($ = # seconds in 32,000 years) oligarch Windsor, Rothschild & Vatican aristocrats with their whole trickledown apparatus of 1000s of billionaires & their submissive 1000s of multimillionaires. These families are the majority share holders of the privately held US-Federal-Reserve, Bank-of-England & Bank-of-International-Settlements who in turn own the World-Bank & IMF. Trillionaires print our moneys, own our politicians & decide all significant policy. Inevitably ‘policy’ for these despondent boarding-school-raised institutionalized psychopaths is war, weapons, munitions, Oded-Yinon-Plan inspired Arab-Spring, destabilization of perceived opponents & totally damaging nuclear-power, GMO-agriculture, damaging-microwave-communications, population-thinning & biosphere plus human collapse.
    Humanity can only regain our ‘indigenous’ (L ‘self-generating’) sovereignty pro-actively from the bottom-up, but then again only if we learn about our suppressed plentiful, abundant, peaceful, biosphere-aligned indigenous ‘community’ (L ‘com’ = ‘together’ + ‘munus’ = ‘gift-or-service’) heritage of 100s of 1000s of years. http://www.indigenecommunity.info

    • Replies: @geokat62
  58. Wally says:

    The Israelis have forced the Palestinians into the world biggest concentration camp.

    Not to mention the Israeli seizure of the Palestinian gas fields off the coast of Gaza.

    • Replies: @Patriot
  59. @Philip Giraldi

    The intent of Israel policy is genocidal, to remove all Palestinians.

    Even if that’s true (it may well be), that’s more like ethnic cleansing or mass expulsions, not genocide which imo should be limited to projects of physical extermination and genuine mass murder. Most of the right-wing extremists in Israel would like to expel the Palestinians to Jordan or somewhere else, not kill them all.
    I think much of your criticism of Israel and its lobby is justified, but such inaccurate language doesn’t help and will be used by your enemies to discredit you.

    • Replies: @Chet Roman
    , @Anon
  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    “(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”

    How should we classify kidnapping children and harvesting their organs?

  61. anon • Disclaimer says:

    ” But essentially it’s a compensation between human beings where the barriers between us were not essential. We’re not defined by our difference, we’re defined by our common humanity.

    That’s what the liberal order used to believe in and people like me used to, you know, advocate for [making a bit of a fist] spreading democracy around the world. Sometimes we were naive. And Iraq was Iraq, and it didn’t work out. But at least it was a belief in essential progress– that history is not just an endless war of all against all, but a common march toward a more common future.” David Brooks from MONDOWEISS with Charlie guy

    what BS is this ?
    But why bother about knowing that where BS is peddled as divined truth of most esoteric kind and is meant for universal embrace .

    I have only one answer – we should not get distracted by the ornate display of a snake or a cockroach or a scorpion. Language in the hands of the neocons ate nothing but ornate display that has no meaning or relevance.

  62. @Sherman

    However, I never knew of him being particularly active in Jewish or Israeli philanthropic activities.

    Anyway, I’m glad to know one of the wealthiest men on the planet is supporting FIDF.

    So yer happy to see another example of the fact that wealth and intelligence offer little insurance against making stupid mistakes?

    Or are you happy to see that wealth doesn’t necessarily protect against shakedowns?

    Or does he think it’s a tithe? Or what?

    Are you happy to see that he’s contributing to one of the worst anti-Semitic states on the planet? Explain.

    What meaning do the following have in this context? Explain.

    1A name is chosen above great wealth; good favor over silver and gold.

    2A rich man and a poor man were visited upon; the Lord is the Maker of them all.

    Mishlei – Proverbs – Chapter 22

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16393/jewish/Chapter-22.htm

    Or maybe he’s just humble?

    4In the wake of humility comes fear of the Lord, riches, honor, and life…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  63. Sam Shama says:
    @Sherman

    I recently returned from a business trip to Asia [S. Korea, Japan and India]. In all of those nations, I was profoundly moved by their identification with, and knowledge of, difficulties faced by the United States and Israel. I had carried with me abridged versions of the Talmud which I gifted to prospective business partners, all of whom expressed their great delight!

    The Tatas and the Adanis [prominent business families in India] have in fact pledged their long-term support for projects involving Israel and the US. Likewise in Korea and Japan. Very heartening indeed to see so much international outpouring of felicity for the two allied nations.

    http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/Indian-billionaire-Ratan-Tata-to-attend-Israeli-auto-tech-conference-506971

  64. geokat62 says:
    @Douglas Jack

    ‘exogenous’ (Latin ‘other-generated’)

    Actually, “exogenous” is a Greek term. It means “originated externally”:

    exogenous, from exo- (< Greek, combining form of éxō outside) + -gène (< Greek -genēs born)

  65. L.K says:
    @MEexpert

    MExpert to Clyde “So please get your facts straight before copying the Zionist propaganda.”

    That is impossible, MExpert, as Clyde IS a zionist propagandist shill and sad little liar.

  66. geokat62 says:

    Very heartening indeed to see so much international outpouring of felicity for the two allied nations.

    Heartening, indeed. At this rate, the brutal occupation can continue indefinitely.

    Tell me something, would you have considered it heartening if there had been “so much international outpouring of felicity for the two allied nations,” Germany and Italy, during WWII?

    Ethics of Sam Shama: the ends justify the means.

    Why not fess up to it? I’ll tell you why, because it would undercut the moral arguments against the holocaust.

    In Shama’s world anything goes… until things go against his people.

  67. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Another BIG donor to Zionist genocide and terror at the “Friends of Harvey Weinstein Gala for Apartheid Israel” was the Founder and President of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein and his wife, Joelle, who donated SIX million shekels, er dollars to the spirit of Apartheid.

    What kind of job does a Rabbi have that he can afford to donate SIX million dollars or is he getting free money from his FED buddies to donate? We’ll never know, since the FED is adamantly against a serious audit.

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/los-angeles-gala-raises-53-8-million-israeli-soldiers-videos/

    • Replies: @Z-man
  68. c matt says:
    @MEexpert

    Muslims did not exterminate them

    Of course not – if they exterminate them, from whom would they steal and use as target practice?

  69. Look. It was Rothschild $$ that created the State of Israel, FOR THE FIRST TIME, EVER, in historic PALESTINE (1948). That is ALL you really need to know. (Hint: Israel’s “money-machine” is the ZION-ist global central banking system: the BIS/IMF/World Bank/ECB/”Federal” “Reserve”/SWIFT payment system.

  70. @jacques sheete

    To Sherman: “… or are you happy that wealth doesn’t necessarily protect against shakedowns?”

    Jacques,

    I will begin with an admission that I am seeking attention to a previously posted comment and “link” of mine. What me spoiled?

    But please consider the article by Spritzer (linked below) which delved into a topic which I sense could possibly parry Jewish billionaire political control and influence.

    Eh hem…, a Non-Lobby Aligned billionaire Media.

    http://newdemocracyworld.org/palestine/destroy.html

    Realistically, Jacques, I concede that my semi-hopeful mug is actually “shaken down” by a Israeli cruise missile launched Pie in the Drive by Corporate Media sky.

    Thank you and I trust what I wrote here does not distract from the reality P.G. has once again provided to us.

    Selah US and Them.

  71. @jacques sheete

    Ironically, jacques sheete, or maybe not so ironic, this version of “genocide” was forced upon UN by Jewish groups who did not think Lemkin’s definition focused tightly enough on Jews and alleged Holocaust.
    here’s an interesting read: http://www.dirkmoses.com/uploads/7/3/8/2/7382125/moses_lemkin_culture.pdf

    If you kill a people’s culture — even if the physical people still walk the earth — has a genocide been committed?
    I think Yes, a genocide has been committed.*
    And contrary to German_reader’s claim, P.G.’s use of “genocide” with reference to Palestinians is without question appropriate: Palestinians have these choices:
    submit to Jewish domination –politically, militarily, economically;
    leave
    die slowly or less slowly.

    But there is NO option under which Palestinians, on their “indigenous” land, can conduct their lives by their own rules, cultural customs, military protection and economic system.

    Same as Germany, above.
    Not too much different from what is being implemented in USA.


    * If Lemkin’s standard is applied to Jews, then what occurred in Europe was an “anti-genocide” — those Jews whom Zionists viewed as “acceptable human material” for the “new Jew” (see
    Arthur Ruppin and the Production of the Modern Hebrew Culture by Etan Bloom, Tel Aviv University) were assisted to migrate to Palestine (and to US, a kind of waiting room and source for the “great expenditure of money” that Pinsker foresaw would be required). See more at ***).

    Far more Jews were being persecuted in in Poland, Russia and Rumania than in Germany 1933; they were left to their own devices by Brandeis. Rabbi Wise wrote in his Letters: “L.D. B. was more bitter about the boycott, saying the economic extermination of 600,000 [German Jews] is worse than Pogroms involving 60 lives.” (Wise, “Letters,” p. 220)

    btw — Those who take Giraldi to task for using the word “genocide” to describe practices and intentions toward the Palestinians — what have you to say about Brandeis’s use of the word “extermination” to describe the migration — that he demanded — of German Jews from Germany in Feb. 1933? Was Brandeis more concerned with economic matters or with physical survival?

    *** The earliest zionist leaders viewed “assimilation” to be a traitorous act:

    For Smolenskin Jews never ceased to be a nation, and to him the Jew who sought refuge in assimilation was nothing less than a traitor. He was thus the forerunner of Pinsker, and of Herzl a decade later. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15921/15921-h/15921-h.htm

    Thus, if it is “traitorous” for a Jew to voluntarily surrender his cultural distinctiveness, then it is not unreasonable to call it “culturecide” — or “genocide” to force a person or peoples, under extreme prejudice, to surrender his cultural distinctiveness.

  72. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    At last, the safe return of our resident Hebrew reader! This 1991 interview of Andrew and Leslie Cockburn cites a text that is only available in Hebrew, the memoir of (Israel Neior, sp?) military aide to the Israeli PM. He relates that on June 3, 1967, Mossad chief Meir Amit returned from Washington with US endorsement of Israeli first strike. @32min.-34min. – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqzvXCzXZg8
    Dangerous Liaisons: Israel & The CIA

    Of course, this refutes the long held myth that Israel was attacked in ’67. But OTOH, the revelation of US complicity (for Cold War, not religious reasons) diminishes the Jew-bashing rhetoric of those who refuse to acknowledge that there are many wheels turning at once. It would be nice to get confirmation -and corroboration- of this memoir. Not that there isn’t already evidence of Israel’s initiating the attack, but I hadn’t previously heard of the US green light. Perhaps that will motivate you.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  73. Thank you, once again, Phillip.
    There are so few left with the balls to simply state the facts.

    I am on chapter 11. of “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed (available at: http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf )

    I am horrified that the cycle, following a very, very well established trend over twenty-five centuries continues, incredibly obviously, right before the eyes of the unsuspecting plurality of mankind.

    All of the people who attend these fund-raisers should be aggressively boycotted… but… that might be against the law?!
    Uh oh!

    Why?

    There is no way out of the ugly mess that will be required to throw off the parasite.
    Unfortunately, the host is very, very weakened.
    It is sad.

    Thank you for bringing this obvious, yet still hidden, fact to the attention of the readers here.

    • Replies: @Druid
  74. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ISmellBagels

    if there wasn’t consequences that they know EVEN THEY would have to face

    Exactly! The zioscum are only restrained by what the world will allow them to get away with.

  75. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I have no love for Iran, but given what the bastard royal-scum are doing in Yemen and their others connivances with the evil imperialists and zioscum… a pox on their “house.”

    I hope the Saudis bring their version of the guillotine to those scum.

  76. @Sloopyjoe

    The above list of senators and congressmen holding dual US citizenship with Israel is not entirely accurate. Bernie Sanders, for instance, denies being a dual citizen. And there are others.

    But the deep conflict-of-interest that all Zionist Jews have concerning Israel is nevertheless real. That fuzzy fact must be recognized even if many of these powerful Zionist Jews do not physically possess an Israel passport.

    • Replies: @Sloopyjoe
  77. Z-man says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Another BIG donor to Zionist genocide and terror at the “Friends of Harvey Weinstein Gala for Apartheid Israel” was the Founder and President of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein and his wife, Joelle, who donated SIX million shekels, er dollars to the spirit of Apartheid.

    The Jew power structure is starting to crumble with all the sex crimes by their high profile ‘leaders’. I noticed that anti American intervention editorials were placed in normally pro cabalist/Neocon defense publications like ‘Defense News’. So Good News!!

  78. wayfarer says:

    Hollywood Jewish royalty was thick on the ground, the grub was strictly kosher and billionaires competed to see who could give the most to such a worthy cause. The 1,200 attendees at the Beverly Hilton Hotel donated a record $53.8 million, …

    source: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-money-machine/

    Seems as if this would’ve been a real “soft target” for “terrorists.” If “terrorists” were able to take out three steel reinforced concrete skyscrapers on 9/11, certainly …

    Oh wait a second, ignore that.

    These are the terrorists!

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_target
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror

    “ Real Cost of the War on Terror “

    “ How Expensive is the War on Terror? “

  79. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    It has been foretold that the super-rich would be among the first to enter the worst recesses of Hell. I can easily imagine the Tatas and Adanis in that queue.

    Ultimately, support of such heathens, uber-rich as they may be, is of little consequence, because IsraHell is a truly cursed entity.

  80. Moi says:

    Now ya know who owns you, baby.

  81. @Sam Shama

    Who’s dumber, Sam Shama for thinking he/his tribe can pull the same scam again and again and again, or the suckers in India, Korea, etc. who are seduced by his Talmudic pyramid scheme?

    Felix Frankfurter was the only person and the last person with whom FDR discussed running for a third term. Frankfurter encouraged him to go for it. You can almost hear the conversation:
    “Stick with me, I’ll make you great; your country will enjoy vast wealth and prosperity. It won’t cost you a cent — the Fed Reserve bank will print money. My sidekick Henry Morgenthau will shake down your citizenry for tax dollars, and we’ll get Daffy Duck to mouth off like a New York Jew and sell bonds.
    You’ve got an excess of young men with no place to go; we’ll thin that herd for you. A relatively small investment will buy Stalin’s thugs to mop up the Germans — that’s what we really want to happen: our top guy hates those Huns; wipe ‘em out for us, Franklin, except for their smartest scientists.

    You’ll be a hero, Franklin — monuments, libraries, you name it. Prosperity will roll over the land — yoll be long-dead before the pyramid scheme goes bust.

    Don’t worry about us Jews, Franklin; we know how to take care of ourselves. Y’know — well, you don’t know because Milton Friedman didn’t give this speech until ~1967, and Jerry Muller didn’t teach this until even later — but Jews know how to find niches and exploit the ‘rules’ to their benefit — hell, Milton WROTE the income tax rules! Damn right he knows where the loopholes are, he — or one of us — put them there –; and Jews know when to get into a business and when to get out, and we always have a back-up plan. Our man Dennis Ross has had China on the back burner for almost ten years — damn fine coordination going on to keep this sting going this long.

    Right now, right here in 1940, for instance, one of our Talmudic pals has a gleam in his eye that’s gonna produce a Sam Shama. He’ll come from a family that milked er, took advantage of opportunities in Austria, til they ran dry; then exploited opportunities in USA, but they’re gonna go bust — oh — oh — don’t worry, Franklin: USA will not implode in your lifetime, guar — an — teed: we can usually run one of these pyramids for 50 years, easily.

    Back to this Shama guy — he’s got the con down pat — first he studied it, then worked it a number of times himself. Apparently he doesn’t see any more opportunities in the USA — where he ostensibly lives — so he’s working deals for Israel with India.

    See, that’s how it works, FDR.

    But here’s the thing: USA is one of our biggest heists. We’ve been able to knock over other countries after the con went sour — you know, like Egypt, and Persia, and Poland, Germany, Russia — when we leave, we tend to do the Exodus thing — kill ‘em off, otherwise they might set the next Mark wise.
    Not sure if or how we can kill off all you USAians — there are a lot of you.

    We might run the Tower of Babel routine: confuse the hell out of your population; set one group against the other; debase your women and cuckold your men.

    Too bad you won’t be around to see how one of our guys — Benjamin Netanyahu — he’s a pro’s pro, FDR, you’d like him — Anyway, Bibi’s Talmudic task was to get the US Congress and its box-o-rocks leader, George Bush, to wage war in Iraq — Step Two in the scheme to fragment the Villa’s neighborhood. So Bibi’s schmoozing this House committee; Dan Burton is licking his balls — Burton had no daddy; he must have looked on Bibi as a father-figure or something.

    But Dennis Kucinich — little guy; you’d never expect him to be gutsy — Kucinich says to Bibi, “You know I admire & respect you, Mr. Netanyahu, but you said there were several states that were “terrorists,” including Iran. Would you take down Iraq and THEN Iran? So what would you do about Iran?

    So here’s the punchline, Franklin: Bibi says to Dennis: “There are tens of thousands of satellite dishes in Iran. We’ll beam in Hollywood television shows and movies; make young Iranians pine for La Dolce Vita — the babes, the swimming pools, fancy clothes — you know, all that stuff the devil promised Jesus in the desert. ” That’s subversive!” smirked Bibi.

    Burton and most of the other congress critters tittered. The dumb fucks. It didn’t occur to them that their own children had been “subverted” by those same Hollywood seduction devices. America’s children: take ‘em for a test drive, see if USA will tolerate Weimar longer than Germany tolerated Weimar. See if they even notice. https://www.c-span.org/video/?172612-1/israeli-perspective-conflict-iraq

    Gotta go now, Franklin; I’ve got a call scheduled with Winston — you do know I have a direct line to Churchill, right? And Wendell needs more stroking — damn but that guy’s insecure — I suppose the New York high life we’ve planted him in has gone to his head.

    See ya ’round, Franklin. If you see Baruch, tell him I said L’haim or whatever. But I wouldn’t drink tea with him if I were you — Did’ya ever notice how many of his good friends end up dead?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, L.K
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  82. edNels says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    The intent of Israel policy is genocidal, to remove all Palestinians.

    Well that is pretty brutish and not an easy sell, so to smooth it over a little, some work needs to be done on perceptions. So it would behove certain parties to place an emphasis on the positive, so to speak.

    How about to go back to an old idea like ”Settlement” of lands.

    Settlements can be created in lands that are… (here’s the tricky part:) available, or ”new”, or spoils of war, or newly ”discovered”, etc. Meaning Lands not ascribed as belonging to, or previously occupied, thus: a v a i l a b l e for this purpose.

    So it is fundamental to extinguish and banish any reference to designations that undermine the definition.

    If there was no occupants of a land, it could be settled, vs cleared out and Resettled!

    So every effort is to make the land vacant over a time, and like in magic tricks, it depends on the (suspension of disbelief) of the worlds cognizant to go along and to eventually simply forget that there ever were occupants of the land who had to be disappeared!

    So the shift is on settlement, building, expanding, (and bigger plans too!) while simply ignoring the slow methodical eradication and removal, and dispersal of the original long forgotten (mythological inhabitants.)

    INOW’s incrementalism, not anything too brutal or monumental as to cause a stir, but a careful slow removal process, and someday, presto!

  83. nickels says:

    Jews are basically doing everything to the Palestinians that they claim Hitler did to them.
    Its almost like the whole holowcaust narrative is a projection of their own sins onto the Germans, eh?
    I guess if you can do this to a chicken, why not to the great Teutonic race?

  84. Israel uses the US military as muscle. The plutocrats who run the American Empire make sure that the politician puppets in the US Congress do everything they can for the advancement of Israel’s national interest. The treasonous rat politicians such as Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Mitch McConnell put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.

    Plutocrat Jews such as Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer have bought US politicians like common street whores. Adelson and Singer pay the US politicians to favor Israel over the United States. Jews such as Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer do not give a damn about what is in the best interests of the United States; Adelson and Singer bribe our politicians to put the interests of Israel ahead of the United States.

    Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer also push nation-wrecking mass immigration for the United States. Adelson and Singer do not want mass immigration to demographically transform Israel though. Adelson and Singer are actively engaged in demographic warfare against the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Adelson and Singer are plutocrat Jews who have declared war against the White Christian Core of the United States.

  85. Sherman says:
    @Sam Shama

    I work for a foreign-based multinational that has huge operations in Israel.

    As I noted it’s great that Israel has all these billionaires supporting it.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Anon
  86. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    Hi Robin,
    Safe – and sound I might add, thank you :) . I’ll have to find this memoir [of the PM's aide] referred to in Cockburn’s interview. As a historical matter, Israel’s was indeed the first strike, responding to a concerted Arab mobilisation and, as always, political opportunism and a confluence of interests were marginally contributory to the war at large.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  87. chris says:
    @Sloopyjoe

    The picture says that they have “dual loyalty” but I think that’s off by 50%.

    • Replies: @Sloopyjoe
  88. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Do you know how unhinged you sound? It’s a big world, a world where co-operation and industry grow with each day. The US economy grows steadily as evidenced by economic measures. We have our problems stemming from inequality and lopsided regulations – nothing that cannot be fixed. But to read your words is to witness the degradation of a mind forced to bounce inside an echo chamber.

    I’m afraid the struggle to write a fictional account of a conversation shows through the cracks rather uncomfortably. It fell flat at the end as expected. You need to travel the world; trips to Iran don’t quite qualify.

  89. Art says:
    @Clyde

    The Jews are so smart and clever that their small numbers (in the thousands) can trick a Norway and a Sweden to admit all refugees and immigrants, yet they cannot pull off a Palestinian genocide.

    Clearly this is true – how incompetent.

    The Jews in the worst way, want the Palestinians to go away. For 60 sixty years they have said that there is no such thing as – Palestine.

    Yet, in spite of all their expert coercion, arms, and propaganda, today the Palestinians are more popular then ever. Every day the Jews get further and further away from pulling off their cherished genocide of the Palestinian people.

    In 60 years, the Jews have managed to turn total world sympathy, into total disgust. How dumb can one people be? How stupid!

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Bad things happen to bad people.

    p.s. It is ironic that the Jews, who terrorize their children with notions that humanity wants to kill them all — are the ones who wish to totally kill another people.

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @helena
  90. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    Yes, concerted mobilizations are menacing. Like the NATO tank convoy through Eastern Europe, or the US joint operations with South Korea including fly-overs of DPRK.

    Safe and sound is good. Back in the 60′s, many young people had a romanticized vision of the sub-continent: peace, love, sitar music and India Imports cotton clothing. Now, I perceive a Hell-hole of farmer suicide, intentional maiming, hazardous low-paid jobs, with a permanent elite crust – so grateful that the Moslems didn’t kill off the fabulous Hindu caste system. For better or worse, USA is still the best place in the world.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  91. @Sherman

    As I noted it’s great that Israel has all these billionaires supporting it.

    That may be an “anti-Semitic” statement.

    In contrast, this may be more accurate.

    King Solomon, wisest — as well as wealthiest — of all men, wrote, “…the satiety of the rich man does not let him sleep” (Koheles 5:11). We may have all the holdings, stock options, investments, assets etc. to make us blessed on paper (at least so sayeth the IRS), but are we truly blessed? Statistically, are the lives of the rich and famous more productive, prosperous, and just happier than that of the modest laborer? If anything, a few other choice remarks of the Rabbis come to mind: “One who has one hundred wants two hundred” (Koheles Rabbah 1:34); “One who loves money will not be satisfied with money” (Koheles 5:9); “One who increases possessions increases worry” (earlier, 2:8

    https://torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos-chapter4-1b/

    • Replies: @Druid
  92. LA Dude says:

    To select just one calumny among many in Phil’s article:

    [The IDF is] regularly accused of war crimes in its ongoing brutal and genocidal occupation of the Palestinian West Bank and East Jerusalem

    Here is the Merriam-Webster definition of genocide:

    the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

    Here is a list of synonyms for genocide from Thesaurus.com:

    carnage, holocaust, mass murders, massacre, slaughter, annihilation, decimation, ethnic cleansing, execution.

    Phil – Can you please share your sources of information about this “genocide”? The Arab inhabitants of East Jerusalem and the West Bank would be extremely surprised to learn that their day-to-day life consists of misery and wanton destruction, as you describe it (much as a resident of, say, Phoenix would be quite startled to be informed that he in fact lives in a war zone). Have you considered visiting Israel and its Arab inhabitants to investigate your claims?

    By the way, what is your level of familiarity with the Middle East? From your writing, one would have difficulty concluding that you have a knowledge of Middle Eastern languages, cultures, religions or society. What is your educational background on the general subject?

    • Troll: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @chris
    , @Art
    , @Rurik
  93. Sherman says:
    @Art

    Hey Genius

    “The Palestinians are more popular then ever” s/b “the Palestinians are more popular than ever”.

    Peace,
    Sherm

  94. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    I gather you are attempting sarcasm. My perceptions about Korea, Japan and India, are that they all exhibit similar problems arising from inequality of income and wealth distribution. Your post is suggestive of a rather caustic eye cast upon business innovators, globally. Be that as it may, overall economic improvement occurs only at the behest of private industry working in tandem with the government. It is the job of the government to craft such environments and rules as will achieve the twin objects of growth and distribution. On the question of Moslems not exterminating the cast system, I cannot comment except to observe that Moslem countries, including Pakistan, the Gulf Emirates, other Arab countries, Iran, aren’t exactly noted for their egalitarian incomes or opportunities, are they? On the USA I do agree with you.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  95. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    While you were gone PG went full frontal with “Jews are defiling our women.”

    Having already covered wearing a yellow star when in public, the only item left in the cupboard is an accusation of cannibalism in religious rituals.

    I leave it to you; I have been worn down.

    the current Weinstein scandals, apart from one non-Jewish homosexual actor who tried to molest a 14 year old boy, includes, insofar as I can tell, all Jewish males molesting only gentile women. So is Jewish part of the story or should we pretend that it did not happen that way? I note that the NYT and the rest of mainstream media prefer to see it as “white male dominance,” but is that really all it is? How do you tell the story without dishing up a plate of lies?

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comment-2060847

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comment-2060910

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  96. RobinG says:
    @LA Dude

    Hey La Doofus,

    YOUR synonym for genocide is ethnic cleansing. Ta Da !

  97. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Very heartening indeed to see so much international outpouring of felicity for the two allied nations. (US/Israel)

    As Sam always does – he is putting lipstick on a pig.

    In truth, he is talking about globalist Jew money lashing up contracts with the wealthy of other nations (they will regret it).

    Big Jew money is king. The US and Israel are related – they are both run and controlled by Big Jew globalist money. The US Deep State and the Israeli Deep State both dance to Jew money and Jew media.

    The Jew central banking system is starting to crack – Sam is going to ride it into the ground – then move. That is the Jew way.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Sam will be cheerful, discounting reality to the end.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  98. @Sam Shama

    The Maven Shama’s articulate & arrogant perception advisory to SolontoCroesus: “You need to travel the world; trips to Iran don’t quite qualify.”

    To SolontoCroesus,

    (Zigh)

    Following is a video-link that will expand one’s view of economic conditions in the Islamic Republic of Iran beyond that which Jewish billionaires prefer the majority of stay-at-home (struggling) American citizens never get to see.

  99. chris says:
    @LA Dude

    From your writing, one would have difficulty concluding that you have a knowledge of Middle Eastern languages, cultures, religions or society. What is your educational background on the general subject?

    Yeah, I know, from the characters and habits Phil describes, I can definitely see how it could sound that way, but in case it wasn’t all that clear, he’s actually writing about the US.

  100. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Israel is losing American and European citizen,activist,churches,student , academics . It is still dependent on the elites those who are bribed and are frightened .
    India supports Israel because it has inherent anti Muslim tendencies India also is heavily influenced by the American Indian diaspora who copy follow and seek support from Israeli Zionist . To some extent same is true for Nigeria and Burma . S Korea or Japan are Singapore are different They don’t subsidize Israel . They treat as doing nothing but American bid in the bigger scheme of things. They get their marching orders from US .

    Let’s also recap – 2-3 yrs ago, entire Zionist outfits of different lengths and widths were floating the idea of moving away from American sphere and cozy up to China and India. Tablet magazine and Jerusalem Post were so angry with Obama’s nuclear deal, passivity to Syrian war and reluctance to put pressure on marginalized Palestinian that they almost lost their minds .

  101. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    While you were gone PG went full frontal with “Jews are defiling our women.”

    Having already covered wearing a yellow star when in public, the only item left in the cupboard is an accusation of cannibalism in religious rituals.

    I leave it to you; I have been worn down.

    Hello Iffen,
    Read through PG’s previous article and his comment entries. It’s really a sight to behold how he is unravelling here at the UR.

    I saw your valiant attempts to bring some balance to the arguments, But, as I said before I left for the trip, we’d all be best adviced not to toil excessively in the bitter vineyard.

    I really have little desire to engage the bestiary as I once did. They are all totally invested in the narratives cooked up in their little echo chambers; where deviations, however small, are akin to reducing the ever-rising need of addicts to the drug. I say this with confidence: the world has no use for their claptrap.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Art
  102. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Why single out Jewish oligarchs? We the taxpayers fund crimes against humanity regularly committed by the US government in our name: bombing of Serbia under false pretenses, mass murders in Afghanistan and Iraq (the latter was invaded on the strength of a blatant lie), mass murders by proxy in Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, etc.

  103. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Hey MEexpert,

    Muslims ruled India for more than 800 years. If they were as murderous as you claim there would not be a single Hindu left in India.

    The 80 million number is stupidity and clap-trap. I dealt with it in depth here:

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-islamic-terror-americas-future/?highlight=elst#comment-1461037

    And here:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    But if you want the short version, Matthew White of Necrometrics crunched the numbers from all the various sources here (and came up with a more reasonable estimate of around approx. 13 million based on all sources). He states (regarding the absurdity of the math):
    “Let’s take 80 million as our unbelievably high estimate (see above), but keep in mind that during the really nasty years of the conquest, the chronicles claim that Muslims were killing 100,000 infidels per year, so maintaining that frenzied and exhausting pace over the full 700 years of the Conquest would have killed only 70 million Hindus in total. If the invaders killed 80 million, this means they were killing more Hindus in the quiet years than they did in the violent years. Unlikely.”

    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#MusConInd

    Zionist propaganda.

    You mean this guy? Naw – can’t be. We all know Mr. Spencer is a good an honest man who would never lie. We know this because he always tells the truth about Islam. And because he is an honest man, we can believe what he says about Israel. Of course we can, why would he lie? He always tells the truth, remember?

    Here he says we should be gratefully indebted to Israel for attacking nuclear sites in Iraq and Iran because – as we all know – their foreign policy is a force for good in the world:

    And why wouldn’t it be – he says so. And he never lies because he is not Muslim and they are the ones that lie. Because he says so. And he never lies.

    Peace.

  104. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    To an extent agreed. But Iran seems more egalitarian than KSA, etc., which are so notably tribal. (BTW, the Qataris are staging a kind of Broadway production mocking Trump’s Saudi visit and his sword dance.) And in Pakistan, forget the Mughals: believe it or not, many of the upper caste claim lineage to Alexander the Greek’s invaders! So it’s much more complex, and I don’t claim to be expert.

    Personally, I admire the innovators and industrialists. It’s humanity in general for which I have a caustic and jaundiced eye. Did you catch the latest dire warning from Stephen Hawking? Before the year 2600, some pioneers will have to beam off to Alpha Centauri. The rest will be left to immolate on an Earth rendered lethally hot by our sheer numbers.

    I used to submit that Norway was superior to US (in many statistical ways, it is) but Anders Brevik really ruined that.

  105. Talha says:

    Thanks Mr. Giraldi for another great follow-the-money article on this subject. I’m wondering, is there any other foreign nation’s army that gets this kind of support (maybe not at the level of monetary amount, but I’m talking in principle) from 501 c3 orgs in the US?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  106. @Sam Shama

    Speaking of unhinged — Did Nikki Haley provide any introductions for you?

    wrt your assessment of the “unhinged” comment — it would be more impressive if you pointed out the errors of fact, rather than play armchair Freud.

    re getting around in this old world — yer right, it’s time for SWMBO & Yours truly to board the plane ourselves rather that deliver or fetch the younguns from the airport (siblings favor ports & docks). They compete to cover the globe; pretty close to checking all the boxes, tho nobody’s been to Maudes base in Antarctica.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Sam Shama
  107. Art says:
    @LA Dude

    Can you please share your sources of information about this “genocide”?

    How about a thousand YouTube videos and a million articles that document the gross mistreatment of the Palestinian people.

    How about apartheid, walls, squatting, summery killing, shooting children, jailing children, detention without trial, torture, trafficking in body parts, a mean cruel unjust army, and a capricious kangaroo court system?

    Aren’t all those things designed to get rid of the Palestinian people? Aren’t they intended to force the Palestinians to give up their sovereignty? How about a worldwide propaganda campaign to discredit the Palestinians – to say that they were never a people or a country?

    All that is a modern slow “genocide.”

    Think Peace — Art

  108. @SolontoCroesus

    The Saudis don’t own Palestine anymore than the Brits did.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  109. @Sam Shama

    Sam, better you gifted Bibles (the word of God) than the Talmud (the word of man) and you might have had an eternal impact by doing so on some. Jesus was a Jew. Do you know Him? Shalom

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  110. Sam Shama says:

    Total Foreign Aid given by the US = $42.4b
    US Budget [under Obama's last term avg] = $4.15 tr
    US GDP ~= $20tr

    F Aid as a percentage of govt Budget = 1.02%
    F Aid as a percentage of GDP = 21 basis points

    Aside from the fact that US gives less as a percentage of GDP than many other nations, in spite of her status as the world’s pre-eminent power,

    Phil Giraldi’s topics = almost 100% Judaeophilic :-)

    Who knew how 21 basis points of spending would prove such fertile grounds for journalistic endeavour!

    The powers of deduction displayed by the author are positively occult!

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Sam Shama
  111. @JoaoAlfaiate

    Nothing said or implied that the Saudis “owned” Palestine.
    However, they did maintain a position as to the optimal resolution of the conflict.

    iirc the Saudi outlook was actually quite close to the Iranian position: the Palestinians should be granted the right determine their destiny.

    Recommend, once again, Chas Freeman’s comments on Israel/Palestine:

    a. Israelis need to recognize that they must learn to get along with their neighbors
    b. Israel has got to define its borders
    c. The fact that USA funds and politically supports Israel so heavily makes all Americans complicit in its crimes; and
    d. Those same elements of US involvement in Israel give Americans the right and perhaps duty to criticize Israel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukrE4jgjARg&feature=youtu.be&t=27m6s

  112. @German_reader

    I think genocide is an appropriate description of the Zionist project. Erasing history is a weapon of the powerful. The Israelis intent was to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians and annihilate their identity. Remember Golda Meir said, “There were no such thing as Palestinians.”

    Beginning in 1947/8 the Jewish terrorists executed thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians and drove over 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in what is now Israel into Gaza. The colonial Europeans destroyed and renamed the Arab towns, obliterating any evidence of their existence. These foreign terrorists stole Palestinian assets and personal possessions, including schools, libraries, books, pictures, private papers, historical documents and manuscripts including several private collections of manuscripts and tens of thousands of books were looted by the Haganah and never returned.

    In 1958 the Israeli authorities destroyed 27,000 books, most of them Palestinian textbooks from the pre-1948 period, claiming that they were either useless or threatened the state. The authorities sold the books to a paper plant.

    In 1982 Beirut-based Palestinian Research Centre were systematically looted by the invading Israelis; its historical archives and a 25,000-volume library and microfilm collection were looted and carted away by the Israeli army. The IDF stole precious documents, dating back centuries, that the Centre had purchased in Europe and restored to the cultural custody of the Palestinians.

    The attempt to annihilate the Palestinians and its culture (GENOCIDE) continues with the Israeli government’s 2001 closure of the Orient House (Bayt al-Sharq) in East Jerusalem and confiscated its archive and the collections of the Arab Studies Society housed in it.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  113. @SolontoCroesus

    SolontoCroesus,

    The phony Maven Shama articulately opined on your becoming “unhinged.”

    You are indebted to him, S2C. Take such as a character-compliment!

    Otherwise, extemperaneously, I’d like to hear Israel-hinged Nikki Haley offer an explanation as to why Henry Kissinger moaned, “Israel will not exist in 20 years.”

    Selah, As Maven’s Tribe Assures “All Hinged Can Become Prosperous” is a Sure Sign of Intensified Servitude & Debt to come.

  114. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    The U.S has long committed as a matter of law and national interest, to aid Israel in maintaining a competitive military edge in the ME. The reasons are well understood by Congress and POTUS, hated by the denizens of this particular writer’s little entourage, yet fully endorsed by the American citizenry.

    Some of the things written in this article are plainly wrong, and I’m not in the mood to expose them fully. One small matter sticks out. Appropriations made by Congress [as a State Dept line item] for Foreign Aid, for any country at all, are deposited at the Fed in the form of short-term Treasuries, thus earning the short-term interest. Its an accounting necessity, irrespective of whether the US is running a deficit or not. Giraldi goes on to make it into an oh so scandalous narrative of it!

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Talha
    , @ChuckOrloski
  115. @Chet Roman

    That’s still not genocide in the sense of the genocide of the Armenians, the Holocaust or the mass slaughter in Ruanda. There’s certainly much that can be criticized about Israel’s policies, but “genocide” as a term is just inaccurate, evokes false associations and can therefore be easily dismissed as hysterical hyperbole.
    Maybe coin some other term, e.g. left-wing Israeli Baruch Kimmerling used “politicide” and defined it as “a gradual but systematic attempt to cause [the Palestinians'] annihilation as an independent political and social entity”.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @jacques sheete
  116. Sam Shama says:
    @henry_bowman

    I am glad you asked the question. Koreans are particularly fond of the Talmud I had learnt prior to my visit, which prompted my choice of gift. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that most Koreans are deeply religious Christians, practising their faith as do our Evangelical brethren in the USA. They all have Bibles surely, I had reasoned, and indeed they did, whereupon the discussions [discursions? :-) ] of the Rabbis might prove diverting and enjoyable. And indeed, they fit the bill, I am pleased to report.

    Yeshua ben Yosef was a rabbi looking to upend the established order, no surprise there as to the power struggles which followed. That was then. We look two millennia afterwards and glean understanding from each other.

    Shalom

    • Replies: @henry_bowman
  117. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Israeli military says ready to protect Druze village in Syria

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/israeli-military-says-ready-to-protect-druze-village-in-syria-idUSKBN1D3173

    Israeli officials have previously said they were looking at the possibility of assisting Hader, whose residents have Druze kinsman lobbying on their behalf in Israel.

    Must be something in the water that helps facilitate lobbying activities. :)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  118. MEexpert says:
    @Art

    Sam met his own kind of people. Indian businessmen are known as Jews of India.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  119. geokat62 says:

    Who knew how 21 basis points of spending would prove such fertile grounds for journalistic endeavour!

    Is that what $6,ooo,oooo,ooo,ooo.oo that the US is spending on PNAC’s phony GWOT to remake MENA by taking out 7 Muslim countries in 5 years amounts to? 21 basis points?

  120. iffen says:
    @Chet Roman

    The IDF stole precious documents, dating back centuries, that the Centre had purchased in Europe and restored to the cultural custody of the Palestinians.

    They are being held for safe-keeping until the establishment of a proper Palestinian State. :)

    This is a serious charge. Do you have anything to support it?

  121. MEexpert says:
    @Sam Shama

    The reasons are well understood by Congress and POTUS, hated by the denizens of this particular writer’s little entourage, yet fully endorsed by the American citizenry.

    The POTUS and the Congress are bought and paid for by the Jewish Oligarchs Phil is talking about. What else can the Congress do but to kneel in front of the Jewish lobby?

    As to the endorsement by the American citizenry, it is a myth spread by the Zionist controlled media and the pollsters.

  122. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    The U.S has long committed as a matter of law and national interest

    Correct, but the goal post seems to have changed over the decades. US vis-a-vis Israel in the time of Ike is not the same as now. It was far more in the US’s favor in the past, now it is much more in Israel’s favor to our detriment (I know this is obviously a point of contention).

    The reasons are well understood by Congress and POTUS

    They need to get elected.

    yet fully endorsed by the American citizenry

    I wouldn’t say “fully” because that simply isn’t true, but yes, she has the majority on her side – no doubt. These are some nice breakdowns:

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx

    Keep in mind #4 – “There is a growing generation gap in Mideast sympathies”:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/23/5-facts-about-how-americans-view-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

    That is the important thing to keep an eye out on. Israel’s policy is getting more and more in-your-face (especially Likud) and causing more damage to US interests and reputation as support is declining. Is this sustainable?

    And thanks for pointing out the accounting matter – I did not know that.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  123. @Chet Roman

    I think genocide is an appropriate description of the Zionist project. Erasing history is a weapon of the powerful. The Israelis intent was to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians and annihilate their identity.

    True, and it goes on to this day.

    Israeli forces target Palestinian schools, teachers in East Jerusalem and Hebron

    Israeli police forces entered Zahwat al-Quds school in occupied East Jerusalem on Monday, arresting the principal of the school as well as three teachers in front of students, before closing down the school and instructing parents to find alternative facilities for their children, according to Palestinian official media, Wafa.
    The events in East Jerusalem came one day after Israeli forces detained several teachers in the southern Hebron Hills on their walk to school, again in the presence of their students.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/11/palestinian-teachers-jerusalem/

  124. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    I say this with confidence: the world has no use for their claptrap.

    Say Sam — do you really speak for the world? It would appear otherwise.

    How is it that you very very smart Jews, screwed up so badly, that the people who supported you after WWII – now hate you?

    Just asking! (with confidence)

    Think Peace — Art

  125. Wally says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    And why do Jews vehemently fight against an audit of the Federal Reserve?

    How much US taxpayers money have been given to “that shitty little country” under The Fed table?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  126. @Sam Shama

    “… it’s an accounting necessity.”

    Hey Maven Shama,

    Above, that’s a quite an accomplished bit of Orwellian mumbo-jumbo.

    (Zigh)

    It clearly “sticks out” that you did not even bother to read the TITLE of this very pointed & plain spoken article written by P.G.

    Selah The Jewish Lobby Politics and the English Language.

  127. Wally says:
    @Clyde

    And that’s why Jews First Zionists demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  128. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    to cause [the Palestinians'] annihilation as an independent political and social entity

    There has not been a Palestinian “independent political and social entity” which is one of the reasons Israel has been able to accomplish its objectives.

    There is no reason to coin new terms. Israel has not, and is not doing anything that other nation states have done, or are doing.

    Of course, some of the actions, like chipping away at Judea and Samaria with settlements, harken back to the 18th and 19th centuries.

  129. @German_reader

    …but “genocide” as a term is just inaccurate…

    You can insist all you want, but please refer to comments #53 and #73.

    Jews themselves insisted on using the term in the way it’s used here so one could be forgiven for thinking that it is used appropriately here, no?

    As for being dismissable as hyperbole, no doubt the usual suspects will do exactly that. If they do, who cares?

    (H/T StoC.)

  130. Rurik says:

    Since the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948, it has been “the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II,” according to the Congressional Research Service. The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in adjusted for inflation aid between 1948 through the end of 2012, reports Haaretz.

    if you go back a few years, and include the cost to the American people of participating in WWI, which the US was dragged into on behalf of the world’s Zionists, (all as a consequence of the intrigues behind the Balfour Declaration..) then I suspect the cost would be higher, once you included all the war dead and their lost wages, not to mention the cost of fighting the war, and the medical costs of the wounded returning veterans. Not to mention the non-monetary costs of families who lost their fathers and sons, husbands and brothers.

    Then there’s the cost of fighting endless wars for Israel, I doubt that was included, but it should have been. Is there anyone on the planet that doesn’t know the ZUS destroyed Iraq on behalf of Israel? And Libya too. And all the billions handed over to Egypt to play nice with Israel, that should all be included, with the interest as well.

    And Syria, how much have we spent on the head-slicing orcs and weapons and such. How much has it cost Americans to be in a cold war with Russia because Israel is mad at Putin for upsetting their plans for Syria. Certainly we should include all those cost as well, no?

    And what about the costs of oil embargoes like in the 70s. That was all done because Nixon helped the Zionists in the Yom Kippur War, instigating an oil embargo that caused massive lines at the gas stations, and even instituted a draconian 55 mph speed limit on our fabulous new interstates, because serving as Israel’s bitch is so worth it, huh?

    And what about all the cost of terrorism, eh?

    has that been included? Let’s not forget that before we became Israel’s bitch, you could walk onto a passenger jet with a shotgun in tow, since it was incomprehensible that anyone would harm another passenger on the plane. Not so once we stirred the Arab hornets nest by acting as the big, stupid golem for Israel.

    And of course 9/11 and all the subsequent costs, both monetary and of losing our Constitutional rights. ALL of it a direct cost of our special relationship with Israel.

    Damn, but I could go on and on.

    But when you think about it, and reflect on just how much the American people benefit from all our largess to Israel, like being treated to a fireworks show on the USS Liberty, and so many other benefits.. acting as Israel’s stupid little bitch is a no-brainer.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  131. Rurik says:
    @German_reader

    Given the demographic trends of the Palestinian population under that occupation (steady population growth, high birthrate) this is just not credible and hurts his argument

    I guess what you’re saying is that if there are more American Indians alive today than there were when the Europeans arrived in the New World, that what ever happened between them, must never be called ‘a genocide’, huh?

    According to Wiki, there were approximately only 250k Native Americans living in the US in 1890s, and today ‘According to 2003 United States Census Bureau estimates, there are 2,786,652 Native Americans in the United States.

    So I never want to hear any more talk of some so-called ‘genocide of the Indians’ anymore.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  132. @iffen

    There is no reason to coin new terms. Israel has not, and is not doing anything that other nation states have done, or are doing.

    Of course, some of the actions, like chipping away at Judea and Samaria with settlements, harken back to the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Yeah, sorry, we aren’t in the 18th or 19th centuries anymore. No other Western or semi-Western state with democratic credentials could, under present conditions, get away with what Israel does, that is operate a blatantly ethnocentric policy aiming at the annexation of land inhabited by people of another ethnic and religious background. Now if your standards are those of mid-19th century Americans annexing Mexican territory, of European settler colonies expelling and dominating natives, or indeed of present-day Chinese in Tibet or of Moroccans in West Sahara, then yes, none of what Israel does is exceptional or objectionable. The question just is, why should the US, with all its supposed respect for human rights, all its agonizing over past wrongs and its “antiracism” (which goes much too far imo, but that’s a different matter) support such policies that are in contradiction to what the US supposedly stands for?
    My sympathies for the Palestinians aren’t that great on the whole (the terrorist tactics they have employed disgust me), but the hypocrisy of the US stance on Israel is palpable (and no, the fact that PG may use over-wrought language and that there’s a large number of Holocaust deniers and other nutcases posting here, is irrelevant in this regard).

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @iffen
  133. @Talha

    Israel’s policy is getting more and more in-your-face (especially Likud)

    Statements like that appear often: (paraphrase) — the problem is not Israel, it’s Likud.

    Correct me if that is an inaccurate paraphrase.

    If accurate, what does it mean? Is Likud ideologically distinct from the prevailing cultural/political norms in Israel? Does Likud function in a dictatorship, imposing its will on the Israeli people using its monopoly of violence, namely, the IDF that, as Phil detailed, is financially supported by Jewish-American billionaires (among others)?

    Is there robust opposition to Likud that is brutally suppressed? Do such groups picket or boycott billionaire fundraisers such as those pictured above ?

    (If Yes, Please Don’t Mess with the Roses!)

    • Replies: @Talha
  134. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    We can all bet our sweet tushies on that and it would likely take several books to scratch the surface. If we toss in the theft of military secrets and hardware, infiltration of unions, banks, corporations, universities, religious institutions, and government, and the parasitic effect of jewish mobsters, there is no rational way to comprehend the costs involved in the relationship.

    yep

    if you include Jewish banksters in with the Zionists, then the cost to the American people of the Federal Reserve scam, (of truly biblical proportions) would be so astronomical as to be incalculable.

    they have virtually looted so much of the wealth of this nation that they’ve driven the value of our dollar to a penny or two of its original value, which it maintained for a hundred years until the advent of the Satanic ((Federal Reserve Bank))

    we’ve been made slaves to the Fed by a single act of perfidy by Woodrow Wilson, so much so that his name should be synonymous with betrayal, only that word is woefully inadequate to convey a betrayal of a nation and a people as vast and consequential as the USA. It’s just breathtaking to glimmer it.

    END the FED!!!!!

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  135. Dr. X says:
    @geokat62

    Keep shining that spotlight, Phil… the night-flower is visibly beginning to wilt.

    Yes, thank you for marshaling the evidence that the Jews really do have their boot on the neck of this country so succinctly.

  136. Patriot says:
    @Clyde

    Clyde is correct that Muslims are a particulary nasty group, and that is precisely why Jews have worked so hard to foster Muslim immigration into all Christian Western nations, while keeping them out of Israel.

    By the way, Clyde, nice attempt to deflect. We’re talking about Jews. Stop trying to change the subject.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  137. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    ALL of it a direct cost of our special relationship with Israel.

    But, but, Rurik, Sam Shama has assured us Dumb Goyim the total costs are a measly 21 basis points. What are you harping on about?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  138. Rurik says:
    @Avery

    The State of Israel is guilty of all of the above.
    But only genocide is genocide.
    Sorry, no genocide of Palestinians.

    bullshit

    what about the inhabitants of Deir Yassin and similar villages?

    these people were butchered in the most grizzly ways possible, with the specific intent to instill widespread terror in order to drive all the Arabs out of their lands, so that the Jews could then steal the lands and claim them as their own.

    The Nazi also murdered Jews to drive them out of their lands, but in that case the lands were German lands, and so the Germans were trying to drive hostile enemies out of their own lands, and yet they’re still universally condemned for genocide.

    Which is worse, slaughtering people in order to steal their land, (something that is going on as we speak, in places like Syria, where the Zionsts are still murdering people in order to steal their land), or when you murder people who have declared war against you in your own lands, in order to drive them out?

    which is worse Avery?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @L.K
    , @Talha
  139. Rurik says:
    @Wade

    And then there was that 2.3 trillion dollars that the Pentagon had “lost” prior to 911 and Donald Rumsfeld taking over the post. I’ve often wondered whether this money was being given directly to Israel.

    yes of course

    Rabbi (Israeli duel citizen and 9/11 mastermind) Dov Zakheim was comptroller of the Pentagon when the loot went missing, so by all means, add it to the ledger

    from what I’ve read subsequently, the actual amount is much, much greater

    • Replies: @Wade
  140. @Rurik

    According to Wiki, there were approximately only 250k Native Americans living in the US in 1890s

    That was probably the lowest point of the Amerindian population in the present-day US though. No one knows how many there were before 1492 and the consequent mass death due to European diseases, but several million seems likely, so probably more than today.
    Besides, apart maybe from some regions (California?) US policy towards Amerindians in the 19th century can’t be described as genocidal anyway. So your analogy doesn’t work.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  141. @Rurik

    The Nazi also murdered Jews to drive them out of their lands

    The Nazis didn’t just seek to expel Jews (that would have been unremarkable given Jewish history), they wanted to kill every single Jew (even people who didn’t regard themselves as Jewish, but had some Jewish ancestry) under their power, and they substantially succeeded with that.
    Accusing Israel of doing something comparable is just dumb.

  142. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    wrt your assessment of the “unhinged” comment — it would be more impressive if you pointed out the errors of fact, rather than play armchair Freud.

    You wish me to refute “errors of fact” in a fictional conversation you cobbled together, one which I might point out hardly rises to the standards FDR was known for?

    Have you quite taken leave of your senses?

  143. Rurik says:
    @LA Dude

    The Arab inhabitants of East Jerusalem and the West Bank would be extremely surprised to learn that their day-to-day life consists of misery and wanton destruction,

    and here’s my cue to post this charming video of the IDF, where Sheldon Adlelson wants his son to become a sniper

    what kind of day-to-day life it must be like to live with this kind of human garbage, huh?

  144. @iffen

    Hey Judah Ben iffen-iffen,

    Are you at all aware how The Jewish Lobby & it’s greedy “Money Machine” component has so thoroughly “chipped away” at Washington D.C. in particular, and the nation-state in general?

    (Zigh)

    Tell me when you think such cunning settlement-takeover action “harkens back” to?

    18th Century America? 19th Century? 20th Century?

    (Zigh) Sad to say that you would hear I.D.F. bats banging upon your own little belfry-brain, and having taken The Maven Sham’s narcissist cue, you’d place blame upon the “denizens of this (U.R.) writer’s little entourage.”

  145. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Yes, lobbying a particular talent, isn’t it? Druze are well respected and loved minority in Israel and the state will protect and aid their kinsmen.

  146. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    The powers of deduction displayed by the author are positively occult!

    Oh my – a Jew spokesman doing his best to obviate the truth. He says that his very rich tribal cult both – does not work together and that we have nothing to fear from their greed and avarice.

    Oh my – he has the gonads to call a truth teller “occult.”

    Oh my – that’s funny! Thanks for the laugh.

    Think Peace — Art

  147. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Raphael Lemkin is claimed to have invented the word, and defined the idea, genocide.

    Lemkin defined genocide in his book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe. He states:

    “Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation… It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.”

    https://redflag.org.au/article/what-happening-palestine-genocide

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Anon
  148. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    Sam Shama has assured us Dumb Goyim the total costs are a measly 21 basis points

    when you put it that way Geo, then the deaths on the Liberty and Israel’s treachery on 9/11 seem ‘worth it’, no?

    “it’s very good”

  149. ANONYMOUS • Disclaimer says:

    All I read is complaints instead of recognition for Jewish organizational capabilities. They identify a goal, they achieve it. What do you do besides complain?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @renfro
  150. Sam Shama says:
    @MEexpert

    It was really rather pleasant to find Judaism held in so high a regard in India, Korea, and Japan! The Japanese and Koreans are also engaged in enormous infrastructure projects in India, and now Israel is joining in that effort as well. Let us wish such international co-operation G’dspeed, shall we?

    • LOL: Z-man
  151. @Sam Shama

    Sam,

    You know that the heart of the Torah is Leviticus 17:11 “Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.” Where is the blood sacrifice for Jewish sin since the second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD? Isaiah chapter 53 provides the answer. The prophet describes Messiah’s first coming in that His innocent blood was shed for the sins of all Jews and Gentiles alike. An honest reading of that would conclude that Yeshua is the fulfillment of that prophecy and the Messiah.

    Shalom

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  152. wayfarer says:

    “If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” ― Mark Twain

    “How to Fix America”

    “ADL’s Hate Symbols in Reverse”

  153. @Wally

    And why do Jews vehemently fight against an audit of the Federal Reserve?

    For reasons similar to the “anti-Semitism” legislation they’re now attempting to cram down the throats of us dumb goyim?

  154. @German_reader

    The Nazis didn’t just seek to expel Jews (that would have been unremarkable given Jewish history), they wanted to kill every single Jew …

    Any credible evidence for that?

    It’s wartime propaganda until you prove otherwise.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Rurik
  155. @Sam Shama

    In other words, Sam, you can’t refute the numerous facts embedded in an admittedly low-grade/amateur attempt at a humorous rendition of a series of real-world occurences.

    Erase the snark and the obscenities, Sam: each of the facts/events occurred; sources/references were given for several of them.

    Surely someone who can calculate 21 basis points can suss out six or seven facts from their half-baked humorous matrix and assess their veracity.

    If you can’t figure out which bits are the facts, say so and I’ll do my best to help you out.

    If you prefer not to make the effort because your mindset can’t handle the dissonance, then I suppose it’s best you refrain from grappling with a narrative that is contrary to your expectations — wouldn’t want you to become unhinged, not with all those Israeli-Indian business deals in the works, wot!

    NB. FDR said of himself that he was “a magician,” he used to say that he had to “keep his left hand from knowing what his right hand was doing.”

    Historian Thomas Fleming spent a week as Harry Truman’s house guest, during which time he interviewed Truman extensively on many topics, including his impression of FDR. Truman said FDR was the coldest most cynical person he’d ever met.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  156. Rurik says:
    @German_reader

    but didn’t you read what I said, we’re in total agreement

    Rurik:

    So I never want to hear any more talk of some so-called ‘genocide of the Indians’ anymore.

    German_reader:

    US policy towards Amerindians in the 19th century can’t be described as genocidal anyway. So your analogy doesn’t work.

    you see, we agree

    just slaughtering a percentage of the population and terrorizing them and driving them from their lands and humiliating them and destroying their way of life and forcing them to live in desperately poor conditions as you mock them from their former lands while living in posh conditions they could only dream of, isn’t any kind of genocide. Pfft!

    I mean really!

    sure, they lost everything they had, their farms, their houses, their freedom and way of life. They’ve watched as their young men are dragged out of their houses never to be seen again, tortured in dungeons and even murdered in order to harvest their organs.

    That may be slightly unpleasant, but it’s hardly a ‘genocide!’ I mean come on!

    if you want a genocide, you have to look at the Holocaust! That’s where the world’s and history’s most unspeakably evil people that ever, ever existed in the world tried to kill God Himself!!!

    did you know that?

    Sure, that’s why the Holocaust is so evil beyond evil, because those Master Race Germans tried to kill God, (the Jewish people who are Chosen by God Himself, and so trying to kill every last Jewish man, woman and child, and push them all into ovens, at least the ones who weren’t made into soap and lampshades….)

    >>sigh<<

    you Germans are so enamored of your masochistic narrative, that I suspect you'd climb into an oven yourself if you felt it'd mollify your eternal butt-hurt guilt angst.

    whatever happened during the mass-insanity of WWII happened, and all the perpetrators and victims (aside from a few tens of millions of Holocaust survivors) are dead and in the grave.

    what's going on in Palestine (and Syria and elsewhere in the greater Levant) is happening today, OK.

    That's why the genocide of the Palestinians is so egregious, because it's being perpetrated by the people of the West. The same people who hanged the Nazis by the neck, are the people who today are waging aggressive wars all over the planet on behalf of Israel. Duh.

    So perhaps it's more to the point that what the ZUS (and Germany by complicity) are engaging in is specifically what the Nazis were hanged for. NOT for any so-called genocide, but for "waging aggressive war" – which according to the judges at Nuremburg, create all the attendant and assorted atrocities and crimes.

    So, forget about genocides (or 500,000 children dying for lack of clean water and medicine that was "worth it", [but is NOT a genocide!!]) if that's what gets your lederhosen in a knot, (not wanting to share your precious guilt I guess), and just consider the crime for which the Nazis were hanged, because it is that crime that the ZUSA is perpetrating all over the planet, (on behalf of Israel), and according to your moral superiors at Nuremburg, it is the ultimate crime.

    If you agree, then you can cut Mr. Giraldi some slack, and wallow in your precious guilt to your heart’s content.

  157. Sam Shama says:
    @German_reader

    I agree with a great deal of what you say in the Israel/Palestinian context, particularly the corrective issued at the stupid attempt to slap a charge of genocide. As far as Israel gaining more land in the WB, the fault is as much Likud-engineered as it is a PA desire to maintain status quo.

  158. @German_reader

    My sympathies for the Palestinians aren’t that great on the whole (the terrorist tactics they have employed disgust me)

    If you were a Palestinian, if you had suffered through everything they have suffered through at the hands of Israelis, how would you fight back?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  159. Rurik says:
    @ANONYMOUS

    All I read is complaints instead of recognition for Jewish organizational capabilities. They identify a goal, they achieve it. What do you do besides complain?

    exactly!

    all that whining and complaining and complaining and whining

    it’s endless, eh?

    when what people should be doing is admiring the organizational brio and can-do spirit!

  160. Sam Shama says:
    @henry_bowman

    Oh, this Jew is a fan of Yeshua allright. He rocked. I just don’t quite get the notion of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. What is the Holy Ghost?

    • Replies: @henry_bowman
  161. I came to the conclusion long ago that the Hitler episode was the beginning of the end of Western civilisation, since the traditions of rationalism and liberty were sacrificed to the militarism required to vanquish the third Reich. Meanwhile the fact the Soviets did the heavy lifting helped create the cold war which made the militarism and rule by spooks permanent in the western world. At the same time, the guilt for Nazi crimes created an opening for the Israeli project, which has developed over the decades into a hostile takeover to the extent of an absurd dominance, a sort of hidden treason. Perhaps the most bizarre longterm result has been to corroborate Nazi propaganda and to posthumously create something resembling the fantasy the Nazi regime propagandists were using as a rationale for their bizarre regime.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  162. @Sam Shama

    PS: You apparently like numbers –

    By my count the comment in question contains 28 +1 assertions — statements capable of being either verified/affirmed or negated.

    References affirming each and every one of them — all 29 — exist in print or video.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  163. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Oh, but of course it is not true!!! Never mind definitions, only germans are guilty of genocide, forever and ever. Do not let them take away your guilt monopoly.

  164. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    [Erase the snark and the obscenities, Sam]

    Show me where I hurled obscenities, won’t you?

    Good Night.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  165. @silviosilver

    If you were a Palestinian, if you had suffered through everything they have suffered through at the hands of Israelis, how would you fight back?

    Well, how has it worked out so far the Palestinians? Not that great I’d say. Indiscriminately blowing up Israeli civilians and adopting militant Islamism as their ideology didn’t do much for their image. Maybe they should have tried non-violent resistance instead, hard as that undoubtedly would have been.

    • Troll: renfro
  166. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    Any credible evidence for that?

    It’s wartime propaganda until you prove otherwise.

    Jesus H. Christ Jacques!

    you can’t tell me you haven’t seen the movies?!?!

    I must have watched about a gazillion movies and TV shows about it

    after that how can anyone have any doubt?

    Hitler even filled ships with Jews and sent them to America for Christ’s sake!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  167. @Rurik

    tortured in dungeons and even murdered in order to harvest their organs.

    Eh, is there actually any kind of evidence for that? Sounds like blood libel stuff, tales of ritual murder and such nonsense tbh.
    You know, I’m not even really pro-Jewish (there are plenty of Jewish individuals and organisations whom I strongly dislike) or pro-Israel (would be indifferent towards it but for the danger of wider regional war which Netanyahu’s policies seem to increase). But some of the antisemitism on display here is so over the top it’s just ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Rurik
  168. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    A clarification. I failed to note that 21 bps represent TOTAL F aid, of which Israel accounts for but a fraction. So the portion for Israel is $3.8b of the $42b, roughly a tenth of the 21 bps or 2.1 bps.

    I bid you all a pleasant evening.

  169. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Yes, the Blood Libels, Alice in the Wonderland, Grimm’s Fairy Tales and The Song of Ice & Fire are also available in print and video.

  170. Rurik says:
    @German_reader

    Eh, is there actually any kind of evidence for that? Sounds like blood libel stuff, tales of ritual murder and such nonsense tbh.

    took me two seconds

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/israel-admits-harvesting_n_399623.html

    here’s an old photo of a murdered Palestinian whom the Israeli’s returned to his family missing his organs.

    antisemitism on display

    I have never- since I’ve posted about a billion words here on Unz- ever said anything in condemnation of all Jews. Or expressed antipathy or hostility or even mild criticism of all Jews or Jews in general. Never German_reader.

    But when I write the truth, and speak about evils and war crimes and serial atrocities that my nation (and yours!) are being systematically corrupted into perpetrating, including the mass-murder, maiming and displacing of millions upon millions of innocent men, women and children the world over, by the treachery of some Jewish Zionists and their Gentile colaberators and co-criminals, then German_reader, telling the truth about that is not anti-Semitism, no sir (or mam).

    It’s simply the truth.

  171. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    a simple but rigorous timeline would go a long way toward untangling your thought process.

    Zionism predated National Socialism by about 50 years (1881 +- va 1923 0r 1933)

    Bolshevism predated National Socialism by +- 8 years (1917 vs 1923 +- )

    National Socialism came LAST in the offensive -isms, prevailed for shortest period, was punished most harshly. (1933 – 1945)

    Zionism came First and continues to this day. (1881 – 2017)


    Nazis were actually less accomplished propagandists, and their propaganda was more likely to be self-aggrandizing and less likely to be geared to promoting hatred of the adversary. Germans produced many, many films for German consumption during Nazi era, but only 3 or 4 were overtly anti-Jewish: the German people found them distasteful, so production of such was halted.

    British and Jewish propagandists used multiple mediums and institutions & produced dozens of film & newsreels to overtly promote seething hatred of the Hun. Engendering hatred of Germans was a primary goal of British and Jewish propagandists.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  172. @Sam Shama

    Didn’t say you used obscenities, Sam; my comment contained obscenities. and snark.

    Guten Abend.

    PS re your #173 — grow up, won’t you? Your resort to childishness is the equivalent of waving the white flag of surrender.
    I accept.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  173. Rurik says:
    @German_reader

    I’m not even really pro-Jewish

    you know German_reader, I thought about your charge of ‘anti-Semitism for a moment, and I’ve decided why you feel that way.

    Because being German (if you are) you feel like anything less than fawning servility for your perpetual guilt for the Holocaust is evidence of wrong thinking. You find people here on Unz who mock the grave sanctification of the Holocaust – as a detail of history, (no more significant than the genocide of the Amerindian) as being irreverent and rather beyond the Pale.

    Our ancestors in the US and Canada actually did indeed genocide the Amerindian, (your protests to the contrary notwithstanding), and so we have a shared tragedy here in the States that we all deal with, much like slavery.

    but the atrocities committed during (and after!) WWII were so horrific and ubiquitous, with innocent German nationals suffering just as much as Jews did, and even more so in many cases, that I find your self-flagellating obsessive ‘guilt’ for the Holocaust- as a pathology.

    All peoples lives are all of equal merit and importance if they’re non-combatant civilians. German civilians, Jewish civilians, Polish civilians and Palestinian civilians.

    All = Equal.

    at least that’s how I see it. And why we must condemn all acts of state-sponsored murder, theft, war-crimes and atrocities, no matter who is the perpetrator or who is the victim.

    and that is why there is much criticism for Zionist Jews today, because so much of the suffering and misery today being perpetrated in the world is being done so to bolster Israel, and at the expense (and lives) of millions of innocent civilian men, women and children.

    Can you at least try to understand why feeling that way has nothing to do with some irrational hatred of all Jews, simply because they’re Jews; (anti-Semitism IOW). But rather is motivated by a love of justice and truth and setting things right with the world, even if it’s nothing more than speaking out against wrongs and evils.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  174. @MEexpert

    MEExpert “you shouldn’t post stupid comments like this…” I’ve read a lot of nonsense about how peaceably Jews, Christians, Muslims lived in Granada. Then why did Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel the Jews and Muslims from Spain?

    Mohammed (piss be upon him) (I saw this on another comment) was a pedophile and sex fiend who created the most evil Christian heresy ever.

    With Jews and Muslims, we’re dealing with 2 sides of the same worthless coin. Present day Jews and Muslims are supported by the RCC and Zioevangizers. Deal with these 2 groups and we deal with Jews/Muslims.

  175. The Jews have earned America’s shekels via a highly touted afterlife insurance program for goyim.

    For if the Gentiles have shared in their spiritual blessings, they are obligated to minister to them with material blessings. Romans 15:27

    All you have to qualify for this afterlife insurance program is to hate and abandon your own blood and soil to worship a foreign middle eastern ruler.

    If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters–yes, even his own life–he cannot be My disciple. (Luke 14:26)

    And everyone who has left houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for the sake of My name, will receive a hundredfold, and will inherit eternal life. (Matthew 19:29)

    P.S. But wait, there’s more: if heaven seems a little far off, the Jews have a wonderful economic plan to create paradise here on earth!

    Not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them. (Acts 4:32)

  176. @Rurik

    You find people here on Unz who mock the grave sanctification of the Holocaust – as a detail of history

    No, I just think that Holocaust denial is pretty stupid.
    I actually agree that there’s a serious problem with the influence of militant Zionists in the US, it’s disturbing that such a vile and demented extremist as Sheldon Adelson (whose idea of diplomacy includes suggestions for dropping a nuke on Iran) and his like can influence the political process in the US. But many of the comments here aren’t exactly helpful for attempts to change that.

  177. @Anonymous

    “The only hope for the world is through Catholicism” Yeah, a soon to be majority black/Asian church in Rome is the great hope of the world.

  178. @Wally

    Cuck pope Frannie and the USA Conference of Bishops are behind the immigration in Europe and the USA.

  179. Gaddafi defied Dollar $upremaci$m, and look what happened to him.

  180. anarchyst says:
    @German_reader

    German reader…do your homework…

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.

    The establishment of a “homeland” was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    I urge those “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Incitatus
  181. Ace says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    It still is an inexact and overly emotional term. It includes destruction of a groups “dignity” for heaven’s sake, but it primarily means physical destruction. Removal is not killing. In the absence of widespread killing, I think surely you could find a less charged term. Intention is squishy.

    An otherwise outstanding article, as usual.

  182. Sloopyjoe says:
    @Mark Green

    Mark,

    I can not prove whether Sanders is or is not an Israeli citizen. There should be not doubt that the Hildebeast camp rigged the election against him. And that Sanders is bigly on Socialism. Also, let’s not forget his wife’s Vermont issues. He seems to be a big supporter of Israel, though visibly not as the PTB wishes him to be. Therefore, the torpedo.

    Here is the heavily Jewish CNN’s fake news segment during the DNC run off where Sanders repeated the blatantly false Holohoax Scam. Strike out in my book.

    This is no different than that historical retard Ben Carson saying that the Ancient Egyptian Pyramids were used to store grain. This neurosurgeon needs to be lobotomized.

    BTW I didn’t support any of the choices available for puppet prez, since ALL were comprised.

  183. Ace says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Good point. There are still good conservatives who think the collapse of the USSR was a deception operation. They can see no daylight between the old and the new Russia.

  184. Sloopyjoe says:
    @Rurik

    @German_reader

    Re: Organ harvesting. Just some examples. Go to comment #128

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-crash-course-on-the-true-causes-of-anti-semitism/#comment-2025044

    Re: Totured in dungeons. Plenty of info out there. Why haven’t you looked?

    Do you believe in the flat earth as well? What else have YOU allowed yourself to be deceived into believing?

    I hope you are not one of THOSE chosen morons who needs to follow 613 Commandments?

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/756399/jewish/The-613-Commandments.htm

    Or have a nightly Pagan Rain Dance of Many Shekels. 80k views since my recommendation!!!

    Free your mind and your arse will follow.

    • Replies: @Sloopyjoe
  185. Sloopyjoe says:
    @Sloopyjoe

    Sorry Rurik. My comment was directed towards German_reader.

  186. @German_reader

    Well, how has it worked out so far the Palestinians? Not that great I’d say. Indiscriminately blowing up Israeli civilians and adopting militant Islamism as their ideology didn’t do much for their image. Maybe they should have tried non-violent resistance instead, hard as that undoubtedly would have been.

    I’d agree it hasn’t worked out well for them at all. But this is a criticism of the effectiveness of these tactics, not of their morality, which is what you were previously condemning.

    Personally, I find it completely understandable that some Palestinians – a tiny number, let’s be serious – have felt so aggrieved that they’ve resorted to the only tactic of fighting back that seemed available to them. I have zero interest in playing the Zionist game of “condemning” such attacks. Doing so places all the focus on Palestinian misbehavior while giving a complete pass to Jewish misbehavior which, on the whole, has been many times worse.

    I agree with Rurik’s assessment of you, that being German you are deathly afraid of being thought an “anti-semite”. Expressing your disapproval of Palestinians is one way to defend against such accusations. I’m not in your shoes, so I don’t want to judge you too harshly, but I think you are needlessly overdoing it.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  187. @German_reader

    No, I just think that Holocaust denial is pretty stupid.

    Interesting qualifier. At face value, it suggests that it’s not wholly stupid. I think I recall you condemning it outright previously, so perhaps there is hope for you yet. : )

    Personally, I think some “denial” (come off it, it’s clearly revision) is actually quite intelligent. I was surprised by this. The very hint of “denial” use to make my blood run cold, but I was eventually forced to admit that “deniers” do indeed pose some intelligent and challenging questions.

    Do they receive intelligent answers? Hell no. The fanatical condemnation merely asking questions brought down was probably the main factor responsible for getting me to question whether the accepted holocaust narrative might not indeed have a few problems with it. It dawned on me that the last thing defenders of this narrative want is people asking questions of it. In general, people with nothing to hide don’t mind having probing questions put to them. Defending history by passing laws against people questioning made it seem to me like the “holocaust industry” very much has something to hide.

    All that said, I don’t think holocaust revision is nearly as important as monomaniacs like “Wally” make it out to be. At the end of the day, even if some severe revisions have to be made, as Greg Johnson has said, there will still be “holocaust enough” – and it can still be used the same away it is today, to shut down all criticism of Jewish behavior. That’s a pity, because I think there is still a great moral lesson to learn from the holocaust, which is “be careful when criticizing and condemning groups of people, because look what can happen when that criticism and condemnation gets out of hand.” (Today, of course, it is whites who are at risk of having criticism and condemnation of them getting out of hand.)

    This makes me want to leave the standard holocaust narrative alone, at least in public. In an ideal world, professional historians could quietly make the necessary revisions and the public wouldn’t get riled up over it. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the “holocaust industry” breathing down their necks.

  188. “It is normally immediately redeposited with the U.S. Treasury, which then, because it operates on a deficit, borrows the money to pay interest on it as the Israelis draw it

    That is really quite amazing when you think about it. I’ve long been aware that Israel got its aid (lump sum) and immediately lent it out and began receiving points on the 3.8 billion. But I didn’t know it was from the US! So Israel is not only the largest beneficiary of aid dollars, we are paying interest on the total as well. Unreal.

  189. helena says:
    @Art

    In 60 years, the Jews have managed to turn total world sympathy, into total disgust. How dumb can one people be? How stupid!

    perhaps it was planned this way. the London memorial is going to be installed soon and a new wing for the imperial war museum. the power game is over. does it matter now what people think?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  190. @geokat62

    Thank you for quoting that. It is a reminder of how silly some worthies in Australia got (including a retired judge with a guilty conscience) when they applied that sophisticated definition or something like it to the generally well intentioned efforts of missionaries and public servants like Protectors of Aborigines to help Aborigines cope with the modern world or at worst smooth the pillow of the dying race while paying special attention to the welfare of part white children.

  191. @German_reader

    Well, I suppose the deniers find believing fervently in something for which there is very little evidence to be stupid as well.

  192. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    You still did not get it:
    “…so much of the suffering and misery today being perpetrated in the world is being done so to bolster Israel, and at the expense (and lives) of millions of innocent civilian men, women and children.” – The tragedy of WWII is no excuse for ziocons’ direct responsibility for the loss of life in the Middle East. It is not honest to divert people attention to Jewish Holocaust each time the ziocons (Israel-firsters) are exposed as war criminals they are.
    One more time: “the suffering and misery today being perpetrated in the world is being done so to bolster Israel, and at the expense (and lives) of millions of innocent civilian men, women and children.”
    There are some 4 million victims of the ongoing project Eretz Israel. This is not enough for you? Israel is plotting with Saudis (the paragon of democracy) to attack Iran, while cooperating with and supporting the ISIS “freedom fighters” and other “moderate” terrorists — this is well documented. Syria is a sovereign state. What is wrong with this statement that made Bibi and his subordinate in the US Congress livid? Israel is an apartheid state parasitizing on the US via AIPAC and other Friends of Israel. It is long overdue to remove the parasite from the body of the US.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  193. @German_reader

    Sheldon Adelson’s evil spouting off about “dropping a nuke on Iran” is not too far fetched.

    Refer to article linked below?

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/11/14/netanyahu-israel-will-act-alone-to-force-iran-out-of-syria/

  194. Despite the money machine, the sky is still falling. As usual.

    Tzipi Hotovely, deputy minister of foreign affairs under Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Sunday in Washington:

    … I think unfortunately American Jews are losing it bigtime… I’m in the Foreign Ministry– 80 percent of American Jews assimilate. This is something we all should be concerned in. Without Jewish identity and without connection to Israel, this amazing Jewry will be lost. I really think this is the tragedy of the Jewish world.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/11/american-netanyahu-assimilation/

    So many tragedies and so little munnnnny! Life is rough.

    “…this amazing Jewry????” Yeah, amazing.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  195. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    then yes, none of what Israel does is exceptional or objectionable

    I don’t see a lot to disagree with in your comment. I get the impression from the totality of your comment that you want to make a distinction between my views and yours. I don’t see a lot of difference, except that I am partial to Israel.

    • Replies: @Anon
  196. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks for the link, Sir!

    From the article.:

    …that this Jewish Israeli ruling class has a shameful history of betraying ordinary Jews and demonstrating nothing but contempt for them,” Spritzler said.

    That’s what I’ve been noticing for quite a while, and I’m nowhere near 1% as smart as most “Jews.”

    I guess rich, smart people can be ignorant too.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  197. @Rurik

    …you Germans are so enamored of your masochistic narrative, that I suspect you’d climb into an oven yourself if you felt it’d mollify your eternal butt-hurt guilt angst.

    Rurik, the dude is obviously a troll. I highly doubt that there’s anything German about “G_R.”

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  198. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    I don’t know, it seems at least subjectively that there is relatively a greater acceptance, though not quite so much approval, of sexual perversion in the Jewish community than in the community at large, comparable to the attitude of a significant faction* of the higher clergy from the ’60s-’80s.

    *This faction is still around though thankfully less significant.

  199. @helena

    In 60 years, the Jews have managed to turn total world sympathy, into total disgust. How dumb can one people be? How stupid!

    It hasn’t reached total disgust across the entire globe yet. Not even close really. Jews are still given also sorts of passes for behavior that would land a gentile (especially a white one) in hot water. But I do get the sense that disgust is building. The way they shamelessly milk the holocaust for all its worth certainly disgusted me when I caught onto the game they’re playing about a decade ago. Anyone paying attention to their behavior is left with no choice but to steadfastly challenge them. If you don’t, because for example you’re one of those goofy “but I genuinely like Jewish people” types (like John Derbyshire) or one of those “but I’m not racist” types (like Giraldi), you’re going to keep getting trounced by them, because they’re going to pursue their interests to the hilt and run roughshod over yours regardless of whether you like them or not. All credit to Giraldi though, he hasn’t let his hang-ups over “racism” prevent him from developing a clear-eyed view of the way this game is being played.

  200. @iffen

    There is no reason to coin new terms. Israel has not, and is not doing anything that other nation states have done, or are doing.

    That hardly makes Israel’s behavior moral.

    At least as far as white countries go, America has made unprecedented efforts to atone for its historical mistreatment of non-whites.

    The British and French have, to their own detriment, flooded their countries with hostile non-whites in a bid to atone for historical wrongs.

    Germany is paying through the nose for its mistreatment of non-Germans.

    Israel still can’t even bring itself to admit (officially) that it mistreated non-Jews, let alone begin to atone for that mistreatment.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @helena
  201. @anonymous

    Nazis were actually less accomplished propagandists…

    That’s a fact. The idea that the Nazis were master propagandists is nothing more than century old propaganda, yet people still believe it!

    The Allies had an effective propaganda apparatus during WW1, years before the Nazis came to power. And talk about propaganda, the Reds of the time were no slackers either.

    How many have even heard of Willi Munzenberg, Stalin’s master propagandist?

    Münzenberg’s [Red] propaganda machine offered something for almost everyone. If you belonged in the inter-war years to that (always sizeable) demographic whose talent for reading is unencumbered by a talent for thinking, then your world was Münzenberg’s oyster.

    From a review of The Red Millionaire: a Political Biography of Willi MÜNzenberg, Moscow’s Secret Propaganda Tsar in the West, 1917-1940, By Sean McMeekin.

    http://www.nationalobserver.net/2004_winter_br1.htm

  202. @Rurik

    …you can’t tell me you haven’t seen the movies?!?!

    Sorry! I forgot. How could I forget?

    Yeah, da mooovies. ;)

  203. @German_reader

    Well, how has it worked out so far the Palestinians? Not that great I’d say. Indiscriminately blowing up Israeli civilians and adopting militant Islamism as their ideology didn’t do much for their image. Maybe they should have tried non-violent resistance instead, hard as that undoubtedly would have been.

    Well maybe the Zio crowd would do well to listen to your advice since their image seems to be steadily declining due to their violence and treachery as well. In fact, their project has given Jewry in general a slight tarnish it seems.

  204. @SolontoCroesus

    PS re your #173 — grow up, won’t you? Your resort to childishness is the equivalent of waving the white flag of surrender.

    If lies and fantastic fabrications don’t work, then it’s pathetic sarcasm time. Trying to deal rationally with the type is a waste of time, but I’m glad they spout off. Sooner or later they show themselves for what they are.

    But hey, they got Munnnny!

  205. @German_reader

    No, I just think that Holocaust denial is pretty stupid.

    Wrong. You just feel that it’s stupid. There is not a whiff of thinking involved.

  206. Sam Shama says:

    Shamir’s piece today is a very worthy read, particularly for the crowd, emotionally, cynically, mendaciously or ignorantly [to be more charitable] invested in the “genocide” trope.

    I’ve been saying similar things for quite some time:

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/it-has-never-been-so-good/

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Art
  207. @anarchyst

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes.

    Given their other atrocities, I wouldn’t be surprised even went so far as to use starving German POWs as props for their “death camp” propaganda!

  208. iffen says:
    @silviosilver

    That hardly makes Israel’s behavior moral.

    I didn’t give my opinion on this; I just said that what Israel is doing was done in the past and is currently being done by other countries.

    At least as far as white countries go, America has made unprecedented efforts to atone for its historical mistreatment of non-whites.

    Incorrect. Most Creek Indians still live in Oklahoma, not the Southeast. Describing it as unprecedented is not even wrong.

    There was that apology and compensation to Japanese-Americans.

    The British and French have, to their own detriment, flooded their countries with hostile non-whites in a bid to atone for historical wrongs.

    Dubious. Many European countries are afflicted, some of which had relatively “clean hands” in regards to 2nd and 3rd world peoples. The motivation for “open border” types is complex.

    Germany is paying through the nose for its mistreatment of non-Germans.

    I know Germany paid “reparations” to Israel and some Jews, otherwise I am not sure what you mean by paying through the nose.

    Israel still can’t even bring itself to admit (officially) that it mistreated non-Jews, let alone begin to atone for that mistreatment.

    Again, this behavior differs little from most countries. I just listened to a story the other day about how the Japanese are enthusiastically fighting memorials to Korean “comfort women.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @silviosilver
  209. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    You’re right of course, but curiously and coincidentally cognates of both these roots are found in Latin as well!

  210. @jacques sheete

    speaking of movies, and thinking, and having been brainwashed (as Germans have been/still are) –

    Cora Sol Goldstein wrote in “Capturing the German Eye” that even after over 10 years of “psychological warfare” to eradicate the last vestige of pro-Nazi thinking, over 50% of Germans still believed Nazism was not a bad thing.

    So — in 1970, the Holocaust tv series hit the small screen in Germany/Europe; it was successful in guilting more of those Germans who still clung to their errant beliefs.

    As a follow-up — as you may know, E Michael Jones theorizes that sexual immorality is used to erode a culture’s self-confidence, to soften it up — make it more compliant & controllable by the Elites, who usually follow up the softening process by waving money around — well, not money but credit: You can have all these wonderful things; don’t have to pay for them, just put it on the credit card … That’s the process, according to Jones.

    He was in Germany when the Baader Meinhof gang was doing its thing. Officials were chagrined to note that many Germans expressed their willingness to harbor gang members. This would not do.

    Shortly, a series of movies were produced depicting charming young German women, in cultural dress, but lascivious and sexualized. The message took hold: it’s ok to let down your moral barriers. It did not take too much longer for German government (a subsidiary of ZUSA) to regain control of the German population — and to capture, try and imprison Baader Meinhof gangsters.

    No doubt German_reader will find a lot of mistakes in the little tale told above — I wasn’t part of it, only vaguely recall hearing the names. I’m just recounting what E Michael Jones experienced & deduced.

    Eery so often the global community needs a booster shot of holocaust virus.
    Hollywood’s wearing thin — I wonder if the people who brought you Holocaust, the Original, will come up with some grand production for the eleventh-elleventh sequel?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  211. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Incorrect. Most Creek Indians still live in Oklahoma, not the Southeast. Describing it as unprecedented is not even wrong.

    Are there any Creeks, Cherokee, etc. who want resettlement in old grounds?

  212. Wade says:
    @Rurik

    Thanks for that reference. I had never heard of Dov Zakheim before.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  213. @iffen

    Again, this behavior differs little from most countries.

    It differs tremendously from the white countries Israel pretends to be of a piece with. That’s why Israel-firsters are forever broadcasting that “Israel is the only democracy in the middle east!!” It may be a democracy, but it is not a liberal democracy; it is a Jewish democracy, which is a very different animal.

    • Replies: @iffen
  214. Rurik says:
    @German_reader

    You find people here on Unz who mock the grave sanctification of the Holocaust – as a detail of history

    No, I just think that Holocaust denial is pretty stupid.

    interesting..

    so, from the logic of your response to the words you specifically decided to quote, one can only conclude that you consider a lack of ‘grave sanctification’ of the Holocaust = Holocaust denial

    Hmm

    and why not? That indeed has been your programming.

    a quote I just read..

    “We despise all reverences and all objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our list of sacred things. And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us.”

    ― Mark Twain

    the Holocaust has been made holy for you G_r

    it isn’t for me. But does that make me a Holocaust denier by definition? As your words imply?

    for the record, G_r, I’ve never denied that the Holocaust happened. It did. It was an historical event wrought with tragedy and pathos. Innocent people died and many were murdered. Jews, Catholics, homosexuals, Poles, German pacifists and others were ground up in that mass insanity that was WWII.

    I never doubted for a moment that ‘it’ happened, all I said was that it is a detail of history. Not some kind of hallowed event of sacred importance.

    I’ll stop there just to let you chime in with whether or not saying that; calling it a detail of history, and lacking grave and perpetual consequence for humanity in general, any more than for instance the genocide of the Amerindian, makes me a “Holocaust denier”.

    Does it G_r?

    does admitting that the Holocaust happened, and that hundreds of thousands, (or even many millions) of innocents were rounded up and abused and mistreated and even murdered..

    but that the significance of this event is no more tragic than the expulsion and death of millions of German civilians after the war was over..

    or that the Holocaust is no more significant than the Holodomor is

    does that last sentence (if you can call it that ; ), make me by definition a ‘Holocaust denier?

    eh, German_reader?

  215. iffen says:
    @silviosilver

    it is a Jewish democracy, which is a very different animal.

    Yes. I understand and this was GR’s point as well.

  216. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hi Sam

    the crowd, emotionally, cynically, mendaciously or ignorantly [to be more charitable] invested in the “genocide” trope.

    irony

    eh?

    all my life we’ve been bludgeoned with nothing but the ‘genocide trope’

    it’s our f’n religion for Christ’s sake

    if you question the ‘genocide trope’ in many countries, they’ll put you in prison

  217. Rurik says:
    @Wade

    I had never heard of Dov Zakheim before.

    proceed with caution..

  218. helena says:
    @silviosilver

    It’s just a standard line of argument – “they’re doing it too”. When the Trump-groping scandal broke, every single broadcaster called him a misogynist and sexual predator many times over for several weeks. When the Weinstein-groping scandal broke all broadcasters asked the question, “why do women go along with it?”. But that argument was soon silenced by the feminists. So, next came “Oh my goodness, this behaviour is so wide spread.” and overnight the House of Commons was found to contain numerous men who had touched women’s’ knees in the 1980s. The whole thing is hilarious except that it is actually the deconstruction of a great civilisation. Have you seen the London memorial design? It is like some enormous metal jaw biting into the very foundations of the majestic and iconic Houses of Parliament.

  219. @SolontoCroesus

    I wonder if the people who brought you Holocaust, the Original, will come up with some grand production for the eleventh-elleventh sequel?

    No doubt about it.

    Alfred Hitchcock’s propaganda film about the supposed liberation of the camps will no doubt be enhanced to the max.

    https://the.hitchcock.zone/wiki/BFI_(2014)_-_Night_Will_Fall:_the_story_of_file_number_F3080

  220. @Rurik

    I’ve never denied that the Holocaust happened. It did.

    I deny that it happened like the standard conspiracy theories say it happened. I also question why other holocausts are of lesser importance than the supposed “Big One.”

    I’m a holocaust questioner and I’m pretty sure that most of what we’ve been told is lies. That our leaders lie should not be news to anyone anymore and that should tell us to question everything they’ve told us, but the drama queens among us have most of us firmly in their grip.

    Our masters have always been self serving murderous liars until proven otherwise.

    Here’s something to chew on, though you can bet yer shekels it’ll be criticized to the max.

    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/4/4/3195

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @SolontoCroesus
  221. @Rurik

    the Holocaust has been made holy for you G_r

    No, I’m actually annoyed by how sacralized the Holocaust has become in Western societies in recent decades, and for what purposes remembrance of it is used, that can and should be criticized with good reason. But that’s different from denying that it ever happened…I think true Holocaust denial (like “It’s all a fraud, never happened”) is just nutty, I can’t take people who believe that seriously, and they make the discussions that would be necessary much harder.

  222. Patriot says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    No, you got it backwards. Israel is not “America’s army” in the Middle East, America is “Israel’s army” in the Middle East.

    America is a wholly owned colony of Israel. America is Israel’s bitch.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  223. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    Our masters have always been self serving murderous liars until proven otherwise.

    that is the perfect default (and well stated ; ) position to have Jacques, and it’s mine as well

    but just as there were Japanese who were rounded up and put into camps here in the ZUS, so too did Germany round up innocent Jews (many were children of course) among the throngs of Bolshevik Jews and enemies of Germany, and there was persecution.

    The exact degree of that persecution including murder, is all subject to debate, but that ‘it’ happened, just as the internment of Japanese happened, I don’t think is a matter of debate.

  224. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    Sad little liar Avery would have a very different take, you better believe it, IF the Palestinians were Armenians.

    • Replies: @Avery
  225. @CCZ

    The true capital of JUSA isn’t DC, it’s Hell Aviv. The time is nigh to finally once and for all times to answer the Jewish question.

  226. Hupa says:

    What are such events for? 58 million for defense spending is nothing. If they donated 5 billion, then fine, I would be impressed, but otherwise it’s pointless

  227. @jacques sheete

    THANK YOU!

    I spent half-an-hour looking for that article but gave up

    It’s an Inconvenient History journal article that gives evidence that Allies used the dead or dying bodies of German soldiers for an Alfred Hitchcock ‘holocaust’ movie.

  228. wayfarer says:
    @jacques sheete

    As an armchair professional and an unlicensed practicing psychiatrist, I can provide you with a one-time pro-bono psychoanalytic diagnosis of the chronic Zionist condition.

    It is beyond any academic shadow of a doubt, a classic textbook case of paranoid personality disorder stemming from an obsessive compulsive greed disorder, which is masked beneath or behind an overwhelming physical cushion of excessive purloined material wealth.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  229. L.K says:
    @German_reader

    All that said by a cowardly asshole who NEVER read even one holocaust revisionist book in his life.

    People do not get any more intellectually dishonest than you, u miserable Nestbeschmutzer.

    • Troll: German_reader
  230. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C,

    the problem is not Israel, it’s Likud.

    I said “especially Likud”. Israel is the problem; it is a European secular ethno-nation-state import based mostly on European Jewish experience and history. It is not native to that land or area. Many of the Zionists were extremely frustrated that the Jews in places like Egypt, Iraq were simply not “down with the program”. The Muslims and Arabs also importing the ethno-nation-state mentality helped to screw things up further.

    It seems Likud and plenty far-right parties remain popular – so this is not some weird fluke:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.777963

    Too many Israelis seem to be in a bunker mentality and by supporting horrible policies in the region, seem to be perpetuating the conditions that will keep hostilities high for a long time to come. West Bank settlement has got to stop – period!
    “Israel must start planning for a million people in Area C of the West Bank, Jerusalem Affairs Minister Ze’ev Elkin and settler leaders said on Tuesday. ‘This will happen – it is only a question of when,’ Elkin said, adding that it could be anywhere between the next 10 to 20 years, depending on the pace of construction.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Elkin-Start-preparing-for-one-million-settlers-in-the-West-Bank-514251

    And their constant (along with their new chums, Da’ Sauds) calls for the US going hog-wild all over the ME (especially the rhetoric against Iran) must also.

    Peace.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @iffen
  231. @jacques sheete

    Jacques,

    I am pleased you read Spritzler.

    The Maven Shama is aware how The Jewish ruling class has a shameful history of betraying “ordinary Jews.” Doubtless, he”s talented and is capable of down sizing such fact. (Refer to Hannah Arendt’s great book, “The Banality of evil.”

    Wealthy and deviately smart, he ought to know that elite and secular ZUSA Jews also would betray him for advantage and profit.

    Thank you very much, Jacques!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  232. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    Hey Rurik,

    I thought Avery was being sarcastic. At least that’s how I read it.

    Peace.

  233. L.K says:

    As to the financial costs Israel represents to the ZUSA, the reality is much worse than what we read in the article;

    First and foremost because the fraudulent ‘war on terror’ is a zionist/israeli plot.

    As C. Bollyn wrote in ‘The Evolution of The War on Terror – An Israeli Mega-Fraud’, http://bollyn.com/#article_15522

    AN ISRAELI MEGA-FRAUD

    The War on Terror is a massive deception, conceived and promoted since the late 1970s by Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israelis. To explain how it evolved I have put together some of the basic facts in a timeline.

    So, how much has this gigantic fraud cost already, just in financial terms?

    THE COST OF WAR FOR THE U.S. TAXPAYER SINCE 9/11 IS ACTUALLY THREE TIMES THE PENTAGON’S ESTIMATE

    Jack Moore

    Newsweek, Nov. 8, 2017

    The United States military has spent more than $5.6 trillion on conflicts since 2001, more than three times the Pentagon’s actual estimate, according to a new study.

    http://www.newsweek.com/how-many-trillions-war-has-cost-us-taxpayer-911-attacks-705041?yptr=yahoo

    But wait, it gets worse….

    Paying Off Post-9/11 U.S. War Debt Could Cost $8 Trillion
    By Caroline Houck
    “The post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere have been fought with borrowed money, enough to require up to $8 trillion in interest payments in coming decades, a new report says.”

    http://www.defenseone.com/politics/2017/11/paying-post-911-war-debt-could-cost-8-trillion-report/142412/

    or directly @http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48195.htm

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  234. I appreciate the heads up on how much we spend outside the country —

    I would love to have the quid pro quo analysis.

    I remain deeply concerned that we have a anyone in government crafting laws to stifle criticism of any foreign state or the US for that matter — troubling. I would love to remind members of Congress that the blessings to Israel that are derived from the US are not to line the pockets of politicians with money, power and influence but that pockets, power of tax payers.

    No robbing the US tax payer of his or her blessings.

  235. bjondo says:

    Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
    “Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    the jew entity is genocidal.

    gaza, histories largest concentration-torture-extermination prison.
    poisoning of water, depriving of water, poisoning of land.
    targeting of pregnant women, children, babies.

    west bank, a slow to fast disappearance, daily intentionally created misery (same as gaza).

    the tip of a pyramid of crimes of hate, genocide.

    the jew entity is worse than genocidal. pure evil.

  236. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11′s rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim’s watch.
    Yet on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense. So the dark card was shifted to another part of the deck.
    … Zakheim was/is a dual Israeli/American citizen and an ordained rabbi… Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co- author of the Project for the New American Century’s position paper, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations.
    …in May 2001, when Dov served at the Pentagon, it was an SPS (his firm’s) subsidiary, Tridata Corporation, that oversaw the investigation of the first “terrorist” attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. This would have given them intimate knowledge of the security systems and structural blueprints of the World Trade Center. From the ’90s through 2001, WTC Security was handled by Securacom, a Kuwait-American firm, on whose board Marvin Bush, the president’s brother, sat.
    How a citizen of Israel can serve as Comptroller of America’s central defense establishment is a question I shall leave to others for comment. While they ponder this perturbing oddity, perhaps they could also shed light on why every one of the following kingpins of the Bush administration are also Israeli citizens: Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Chertoff, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Richard Haas, Kenneth Adelman, Edward Luttwak, Robert Satloff, David Frum, David Wurmser, Steve Goldsmith, Phillip Zelikow, and Marc Grossman.”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @bjondo
    , @Anon
    , @Art
  237. @German_reader

    I think true Holocaust denial (like “It’s all a fraud, never happened”) is just nutty, I can’t take people who believe that seriously

    To resort to such a silly caricature tells me you haven’t even made a cursory examination of the issue (which is surprising, given how easy it is these days). But I suppose revisionism isn’t for everybody. I mean, one of the very first things you’ll pick up on is that virtually every single mainstream holocaust historian puts the number of Jewish dead at far closer to five million than to six million, yet it’s somehow this six million number that keeps being repeated. Even the simple suggestion that we should really be talking about five million, not six, is enough to get some people feeling queasy – as in, oh my God, if we allow that, then yikes I wonder what’s next? If you feel that way, then you really are better off staying away from revisionism, because you’ll encounter many more such simple revisionist observations early on in your reading, and that’s well before getting to the heart of revisionist arguments.

    And you really should stop acting like your unwillingness to examine the issue makes you everybody’s moral superior. That grows tiresome very quickly.

    • Troll: iffen
  238. iffen says:
    @Talha

    It is not native to that land or area.

    How do you decide where to draw your time lines?

    Did the Rohingya get to Burma too late?

    Aren’t the Han a little late in getting to Tibet?

    What about Americans in Hawaii? Did we get there soon enough?

    • Troll: silviosilver
    • Replies: @bjondo
  239. @Anon

    “How a citizen of Israel can serve as Comptroller of America’s central defense establishment is a question I shall leave to others for comment.”

    Dear Anon,

    With respect for the way you think, I will offer comment to the above very good question / inquiry.

    First, one must shed illusions about what American government was (might have been?) long ago.

    At present, “Israel’s Money Machine,” Jewish Lobby and the (inseparable) key component Federal Reserve are the basis for our nation’s unaccountable misrule decadence, debt, engineered-division, dumbed-down consumerism, “Blood & Circus” affinity, immoral warmongering, Fake News saturation, and of course inevitable perdition.

    (Zigh) Anything else is a “comfortably numb” delusion.

    Thank you!

  240. @wayfarer

    …excessive purloined material wealth.

    Thanks! No doubt that’s a huge part of why people feel the need to go to any length to keep from being found out. I’m sure there’s a lot of projection going on with the usual suspects as well. They probably think everyone is after them just as they’re lying in wait, plotting and conniving to take advantage of others.

  241. bjondo says:
    @Anon

    understand quite a bit of pentagon inventory such as f-16s were declared to be excess and shipped to israel gratis dov zakheim. pretend payment not required.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  242. Talha says:

    Hey iffen,

    How do you decide where to draw your time lines?

    There is no timeline in this case, secular ethno-nationalism (of both the Jewish and Arab varieties) are a European import (along with parliaments, etc.). It didn’t come from the Chinese.

    Did the Rohingya get to Burma too late?

    Are we serious in considering Rohingya migrations of poor villagers into Burma the same as the Zionist case? For the record, nobody I can think of from the Ottoman times or earlier prevented Jews from settling into the area, can you?
    “The Jews in Jerusalem in the second half of the eighteenth century numbered about 3,000, out of a total population of about 12,000-15,000. The Jerusalem community (as well as the other small Jewish communities in Palestine) had a different structure and life style from that of all the other Jewish communities in the world at that time. From a demographic viewpoint, the Jerusalem community included a large number of old men and women who had immigrated to Eretz Israel in their old age. Most of the Jews in Jerusalem in the eighteenth century were descendants of Jews who had been expelled from Spain — not necessarily descendants of Jews who had immigrated directly to Palestine at the time of the expulsion, but of those who had immigrated to Turkey or the Balkans. The replacement of the Jewish population in Palestine was very high, due to the fact that there were always many Jews immigrating to Palestine and many leaving the country.

    http://www.jcpa.org/jpsr/f94-jb.htm

    “By mid-century, overcrowded conditions within the walled city of Jerusalem motivated the Jews to build the first neighborhood outside the walls (1860) and, in the next quarter century, to add seven more, forming the nucleus of the New City. By 1880, Jerusalem had an overall Jewish majority. Land for farming was purchased throughout the country; new rural settlements were set up; and the Hebrew language, long restricted to liturgy and literature, was revived. The stage was being set for the founding of the Zionist movement.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ottoman-rule-1517-1917

    They already had no problems becoming a majority in the holy city of Jerusalem and spreading out or purchasing land prior to Zionism. The whole idea that they needed Zionism to be able to function and live in and even thrive in that area is a crock. It’s complete historic revisionism.

    Did the Rohingya demand a break away nation-state? Some young hot-heads did attack military outposts for sure – is that cause for collective punishment?

    As far as an official time marker; I think post WW2 UN is a reasonable point to start with and Israel is definitely post-WW2. She has been condemned again and again by UN resolutions to stop building in the West Bank – and I just posted how they are planning to more than double the population completely ignoring these. What doesn’t seem to compute here? Isn’t this what these international bodies were built for?

    Now if the Israelis keep building and occupying more territory and tearing apart Palestinian life in the WB and ignoring norms that are supposed to mechanisms to halt international conflict – how do you expect the Palestinians to respond. And when the new Intifada eventually occurs; they’ll go in front of Congress and say – why these violent bastards, they’ll never let us live in peace!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
  243. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sherman

    If you accept realpolitik relativism – and you obviously do – then the popular memes of anti-Semitism and holocaust are not applicable anymore.
    Israel used to ride a high horse of victimhood and moral superiority. This pretense looks funny now, considering Israeli policies in Palestine and Syria and considering the (a)morality of ziocons and other ardent Israel-firsters both in the US and UK.
    Let’s recapitulate: Israelis are no different from other people, including their Middle Eastern cousins of Islamic persuasion.
    Here is little reality call for you, Sherman: https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-israel-becoming-a-mafia-state/
    “…the massive growth of organized crime in Israel over the past ten years, as well as the fact that Israel has become one of the world’s leading exporters of investment scams, stealing an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion per year from victims worldwide. Despite the fact that Israeli police recently announced that these investment scams are largely run by organized crime, which has grown to “monstrous proportions” as a consequence of little to no law enforcement for years, the Israeli government, parliament and authorities have to date proved unwilling or unable to shut them down, in part because these fraudulent industries have a powerful lobby in the Knesset.” – In short, the fraud is systematic.
    You are grabbing at straws of your tribal exceptionality.

  244. @ChuckOrloski

    The Maven Shama is aware how The Jewish ruling class has a shameful history of betraying “ordinary Jews.” Doubtless, he”s talented and is capable of down sizing such fact. (Refer to Hannah Arendt’s great book, “The Banality of evil.”

    I gave up on him as not really being much aware of anything. No one who claims that debt is good and that we owe it to ourselves and that if we wanna learn about economics we dumb goyim should read Krugman is fit for anything but to be laughed at.

    I’ve written him off like the rest of the trolls and jokers and other forms of smug, mindless, time-wasting riff-raff.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  245. @L.K

    The costs in dollar terms are probably incalculable as are the moral ones.

  246. bjondo says:
    @iffen

    the indigenes decide. Common sense by others will see through diversionary BS.
    the time line for alien jew in palestine: at latest when first Yid foot stepped onto palestine.
    still, decades later, lies and violence and help from the jew-controlled western world needed to maintain this abomination.
    so, it is very much alien. an illegal, abominable alien

  247. iffen says:
    @Talha

    You reject it here:

    There is no timeline in this case, secular ethno-nationalism (of both the Jewish and Arab varieties) are a European import (along with parliaments, etc.). It didn’t come from the Chinese.

    Then you want to use it:

    post WW2 UN is a reasonable point to start with and Israel is definitely post-WW2. She has been condemned again and again by UN resolutions to stop building in the West Bank – and I just posted how they are planning to more than double the population completely ignoring these. What doesn’t seem to compute here? Isn’t this what these international bodies were built for?

    • Replies: @Talha
  248. Clyde says:
    @Patriot

    By the way, Clyde, nice attempt to deflect. We’re talking about Jews. Stop trying to change the subject.

    You always talk about Jews. Now it is time you talk about Muslims and their eternal Jihad.

    • Replies: @Anon
  249. Talha says:
    @Talha

    This is probably one of the best short and entertaining reviews of the history of the conflict that tries to steer clear of taking sides and simply tells it down the middle is very respectable manner. It is even consumable by school kids:

    Highly recommended…stinkin’ Brits…

  250. Clyde says:
    @jilles dykstra

    In 1948 they ethnically cleansed Palestine of some 900.000 Palestinians.

    So what. An equal number of Jews were booted out of Arab nations. Looks even to me. How many Christians did Muslims kill, convert (by the sword) and evict when they swarmed over the Middle East and made it just about all Muslim? This took place 622- 750AD

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @silviosilver
  251. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Now you’re splitting hairs.

    I was saying there is no exact or specific timeline for the import of European-style ethno-nationalism, it was slowly and slowly absorbed and punctuated by specific events.

    The timeline marker I was talking about has to do with getting everyone to commit to international legal obligations. Either we have an imperfect body like the UN and try to follow through with its or go back to the law of the jungle – what’s it going to be?

    It took time, but Indonesia let go of East Timor and Sudan let go of its South (though in this case it may have been better if it stayed together – it’s been a bloodbath).

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @RobinG
    , @Sam Shama
  252. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Shamir’s piece today is a very worthy read, particularly for the crowd, emotionally, cynically, mendaciously or ignorantly [to be more charitable] invested in the “genocide” trope.

    Oh my — here is a man “invested in the “genocide” trope” at the tender age of five. His elders told him that the whole of humanity wanted to kill him.

    Poor little Samuel was terrorized and traumatized. His brainstem was filled with fear – a fear he has never overcome. He conscious mind knows that his tribe is doing wrong in Palestine. But his culture denies him the luxury of truth.

    Samuel is a brilliant man with a very high IQ – but IQ does not measure courage.

    In a fit of irony, he now defends his tribes’ actions to obliterate a whole peoples’ existence.

    Think Peace — Art

  253. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    “Now it is time you talk about Muslims…”

    Then write your article about Muslims. This is a discussion on the pernicious influence of the Jewish Lobby on the US policies. And do not forget to include in your paper the spectacular application of Oded Yinon plan in this century, which has resulted in the millions of slaughtered civilians of all ages, as well as in flooding of Europe with the desperate refugees from the ruined countries and the low IQ migrants from sub-Saharan Africa.
    Today Israelis are cooperating with Saudis and ISIS against sovereign Syria. Do you approve that?

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Clyde
  254. @German_reader

    “true Holocaust denial” —

    what is that?
    Logically, the opposite of “false Holocaust denial.”
    Or am I missing something?

    Is “false Holocaust denial” the equivalent of, “a child could see they’re lying thru their teeth, but I don’t want to get in trouble, and I don’t want to offend anybody’s sensibilities, so I’ll just “deny” the lie a little bit.” Like women can be a little bit pregnant.

    –If people like Rabbi Stephen Wise were writing/publishing from early in 1933 that “Hitler wants to exterminate all the Jews;” and in 1942 he’s telling Henry Morgenthau that “Germans are making soap & lampshades out of Jewish flesh,” how credible is ANYTHING he says after that? There is no court on this planet that would not throw him out on his ear after whoppers like that, not even the magistrate-for-pay who adjudicates parking tickets would believe him.

    –FDR told the American people, in a radio broadcast, that he had a map that proved the Germans intended to come in thru Mexico, march up the US midsection and take Washington.
    FDR further told the American people that Hitler intended to close all the churches in US and force Americans to worship him instead.

    How nuts is that?

    Why does a major leader believe he has to tell such lies, or that he has the right to deceive the people he is leading?

    How credible would anything be that FDR said after that?

    – Benjamin Ginsberg wrote an entire book laying out the many means Jews took to propagandize the American people to induce them to wage war on Germany.

    If there was a real cause for war, wouldn’t you think THAT is what FDR & Jews (and others) would have told the American people?

    Why did they have to lie?

    And if they lied then, before 1940, as they did, by their own admission;

    and if they lied when they ‘liberated’ the camps, as we know they did — they planted shrunken heads & ‘skin’ lampshades in photos taken by Jewish executives from Hollywood studios that Eisenhower brought to the scene BEFORE EVEN RED CROSS, — according to the DVD “Imaginary Witness;”

    and if, as Kurt Vonnegut writes in “Slaughterhouse Five,” in 1955 when he asked the USAir Force for information about the bombing of Dresden, they would not tell him anything; it was still a secret;

    and if, as Prof. David Engel says, repeatedly, in his “Understanding the Holocaust,” that the holocaust did not become The Holocaust until ~1967, after Eichmann has been executed;

    ALSO in 1967, that magical year when The Holocaust was born, Robert Wolfe was named director of the German Archive at the US National Archive. The German Archive is that trove of German documents — tons of them — that the Allies, ably assisted by The Ritchie Boys (German Jews working for US Army as spies, saboteurs, subversives & later Nuremberg interrogators), removed from all over the place in Germany and stored in Alexandria, VA, until Wm. Shirer flipped thru them to write “Rise & Fall of the Third Reich;” then the American Historical Association copied them & returned them to Germany, storing the copies in Archives. Did I mention that Wolfe is Jewish, that he controlled access to the Archives for years, allowing access to only certain parties — like Allen Lichtman & Richard Breitman?

    as if, as “Expanding Historical Consciousness: The Development of the Holocaust Educational Foundation” informs, in ~1985 Zev Weiss began his campaign to install ‘holocaust education’ in US universities & military academies, and now into US public elementary& secondary schools, and increasingly it’s become the law of not just the land but of the whole world that our children be taught the holocaust narrative.

    The fascinating thing about that Narrative that Zev Weiss created is that he first had it taught to Peter Hayes of Northwestern University: Weiss sent Hayes to Israel/Yad Vashem, he came back with a story line & began teaching it at Northwestern.

    David Engel teaches the very same narrative — same phrases, same words.

    German_reader parroted exactly the same words:

    @ #45:

    The Nazis didn’t just seek to expel Jews (that would have been unremarkable given Jewish history), they wanted to kill every single Jew (even people who didn’t regard themselves as Jewish, but had some Jewish ancestry) under their power, and they substantially succeeded with that.

    It is so patently obvious that de Nazis did NOT “want” to much less “substantially succeed” in “killing every single Jew . . .under their power” that it makes anyone who says such a think look deluded (or, in the case of the German people, for whom I have a great deal of compassion, seriously brainwashed).

    These words/phrases are recited the way we used to recite our Baltimore Catechism answers, by rote: right answer gets you a gold star, wrong answer gets a crack across the wrist.

    So the question becomes, when should we start believing that what we are being told is the truth?

    Who should we believe?

    Rabbi Stephen Wise?
    Zev Weiss?
    Peter Hayes?
    David Engel?
    Eli Weisel?
    Stephen Spielberg/Hollywood studios?
    William Shirer (Benjamin Ginsberg wrote in “How the Jews Defeated Hitler” that William R Morrow & his acolyte, Shirer, were on board with the Jewish propaganda project)?

    What does the corruption evident in US leadership and in Israel, and the many ‘semi-genocidal’ wars they have involved us in SINCE the alleged holocaust, tell us about the character and veracity of those who insist we believe the holocaust narrative?

    When did the Holocaust stories stop being lies and start becoming the truth?

    imo putzing around with the numbers — “it can’t be 6 million because the Russians later said it was only 5.8 million so there you go — ” — that’s a sucker’s game.

    There is a much larger story, a much larger truth, for which The Holocaust is a smokescreen, protecting not only Jews but also major elements of USA and British leadership.

    imo, to this date we can know with certainty that these things are true:

    Millions of innocent people lost their lives and their homes in what might have been the most savage war of the ages;

    Jews and the American people were the major beneficiaries of that deliberately engendered savagery.

    The guilty parties were NOT punished; many who were punished were no more guilty than their judges, and justice has not yet been served.

  255. Art says:
    @Anon

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Chertoff, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Richard Haas, Kenneth Adelman, Edward Luttwak, Robert Satloff, David Frum, David Wurmser, Steve Goldsmith, Phillip Zelikow, and Marc Grossman.”

    Clearly all those Jews are going down in history as American traitors – fifth column scumbags.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  256. jconsley says:

    Each day I thank the UNZ REVIEW that I have the opportunity to read substantive articles such as Phil Giraldi and many others that our controlled news media ignore. Never on a TV network would such information that Giraldi provides be shown or discussed. A “pro” and “con” discussion of how many tax dollars and to whom the dollars will be distributed would be beneficial to the American public. The U.S. Congress does not debate this issue. Rather the Members restrict the debate to how can they vote to increase tax dollars for Israel. The sacrifices made by U.S. citizens who contribute those tax dollars is dismissed as not worthy of consideration by Congress. Conversely, Citizens United unlimited political campaign contributions do affect Congress’s generosity to Israel which is at the expense of U.S. citizens health care, social security and education. Can anyone remember when or if U.S. tax dollars given to Israel have been reported by the news media, either in newspaper headlines or television “breaking news”, to inform the public?

    The public is repeatedly told that the United States and Israeli share the same values. Therefore, we must contribute to Israel who brings those values to the Middle East. A discussion of those “shared values” may be an awakening or perhaps alarming. Is it in the policy of the United States to tolerate apartheid? Could it be hypocritical to reject apartheid in South Africa but approve it when Israel practices apartheid? How would the U.S. react if the policies used by Israel against the Palestinians, i.e., no freedoms of press and speech, no judicial process for those accused of crimes, no equitable distribution of taxes, and no declared borders by the occupying state? Are these the policies for which the United States uses our tax dollars? Would our tax dollars be used for such unjust policies and practices if the ethnic groups were reversed, i.e, Palestinian control of Israelis? How can the United States continue contributing U.S. tax dollars for a Zionist cause — the Israelis take more land from the Arabic countries in order to establish biblical Israel? There are no countries or citizens, including citizens of the U.S., that willfully accept such conditions as those Israel inflicts on the Palestinians without resistance. Israel’s values may be shared by a bought-out U.S. Congress, but not the entire citizenship of the U.S.

  257. @jacques sheete

    Jacques,

    You know I respect the way you think, and I too share disgust for The Maven Shama.

    But I do credit him for being so articulate in defending the corrupt and unjust global economic system from which (in reality) an awesome percentage of humanity have little choice but to become obedient, enslaved.

    Besides, Jacques, where else can we get goofy information from an arrogant Jew who goes on Far East business and returns on the U.R. to boast about handing out the Talmud to South Koreans? Ha!

    Soon The Maven will return here to brag in the “Mr. Know-it-All” style of the globetrotting mind-control freak, Thomas L. Friedman.

    Selah Keep Friends Close & Fiends Closer.

  258. Avery says:
    @L.K

    Sad little denialist Schweinhund L.K. has a very different take on actual Genocides, you better believe it, IF the genocide victims were Armenians, Assyrians, Pontic Greeks,……..Jews, Slavic peoples,…..

  259. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Now you’re splitting hairs.

    Just a little different understanding of what we are using timeline to mark. You are referencing Western nationalism and I was thinking in terms of a people arriving in an area and laying claim to it. With regard to who has a right to the land, it’s claim and counter-claim turtles all the way down.

    I consider Israel’s claim to Palestine to be a product of WW1 and WW2, not post WW2. Millions of people got moved around on the geography board as a result of those two wars. Some groups got countries and some didn’t (Kurds) and some got mandated. The lines were drawn by the victors and in most cases the determining calculus was what was good for the Allied Powers with little regard for “indigenous” peoples. They could just as easily have called Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Iraq, Greater Syria and divided it into provinces with one province called Israel that had an approximate match to Green Line Israel.

    The Zionists took advantage of the situation which is what most countries do. The fact that there was no Palestinian authority to take advantage of numerous offers made by Britain with regard to the Mandate status and changes thereto is not the fault of Israel.

    As to chipping away at the West Bank with settlements, I think that they should stop and I definitely think that the US should not be supporting them in that activity.

    Re: UN

    Countries that have the military power do as they please.

    • Replies: @Talha
  260. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Perhaps Egypt should never have let go of Sudan!

  261. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Hey Clyde,

    An equal number of Jews were booted out of Arab nations.

    Some were definitely booted out and some left because they didn’t like the rise of Arab nationalism. But, yes, the new ethno-nationalist Middle East was no longer a place friendly to long-standing minorities.

    How many Christians did Muslims kill, convert (by the sword) and evict when they swarmed over the Middle East and made it just about all Muslim?

    Not many. It actually took centuries for those populations to become Muslim. I’m glad you referenced the early Muslim conquests because the initial ones by the Rashidun were fairly clean as far as imperial conquests go.

    The late Patricia Crone (a historian who was an expert on non-Muslim sources and archaeology of Late Antiquity) stated – the conquests were very violent – if you happened to be out in the battlefield:
    “What Donner turns out to mean is simply the well-known fact that the Muslims did not engage in systematic destruction of towns, churches, and other religious buildings, and that they were not out to impose their religion by force…No scholar believes that the Muslim conquerors were out to impose their religion by force; even going back a century or more I cannot think of any who has espoused this view…If all Donner means to affirm is that the Muslim conquests were relatively swift and surgical operations that left urban life, religious communities, and complex organization intact, then he is simply affirming the conventional view…The Muslims did not engage in systematic destruction of towns or religious buildings, regardless of whether they were monotheist, Zoroastrian, or (in Harran) pagan.”

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/42023/among-the-believers

    Prof. Michael Penn writes that the early Syriac Christians (the ones who made first contact with the invading Muslims) didn’t pay much attention to the conquests, they were just another set of conquerors between the Persians and Byzantines – only less destructive:
    “For the majority of seventh-century Syriac Christians, the most involved geoploitical changes came not with the Islamic Conquests of the 630s but from the Byzantine-Persian wars from 602 to 628, which were much more destructive than the Islamic conquests. With a few notable exceptions, during the Islamic conquests the majority of sustained military engagements took place in the countryside, minimizing civilian casualties. Most cities capitlulated to Arab forces without prolonged siege. Material evidence of the Islamic conquests is minimal, and the conquests did not leave the type of destruction layers associated with much more devastating invasions. Instead, inscriptional evidence witnessed continual church occupation and even new construction throughout the period.”
    Envisioning Islam: Syriac Christians and the Early Muslim World

    Here is Prof. Robert Hoyland (who wrote one of the most extensive compilations of translations of non-Muslim texts – https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Islam-Others-Saw-Zoroastrian/dp/0878501258) talking about how Arab Christians, Zoroastrians and Jews even took part in the conquests:

    Or I guess we can believe your homeboy’s version of history. Here he is wearing a kippah (does that count as taqiyyah?), standing in front of an Israeli flag, and wearing an “I am a Zionist” button as he talks about how we should fear a Muslim takeover, but it would have been a good idea to impose a secular-humanist constitution on Iraq and Afghanistan:

    But we know he is an honest, unbiased, academic researcher because he says so. And he never lies about Islam or Israel because he always tells the truth. Because he never lies about Islam, because only Muslims do. Because he says so.

    Peace.

  262. Liza says:

    Hmmm. Where else in history were truth tellers deemed to be mentally ill?

  263. Talha says:
    @Anon

    “Now it is time you talk about Muslims…”
    And then he brings up 7th century conquests. Subtlety doesn’t seem to be a strong point with Israeli-firsters, does it?

    Yeah, let’s bring up the Mongols too, since they sacked Damascus back in the day – what about them?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  264. @SolontoCroesus

    The guilty parties were NOT punished; many who were punished were no more guilty than their judges, and justice has not yet been served.

    Justice has not even begun to be served.

    The “war crimes” trials were no doubt mostly about silencing those who could tell many uncomfortable truths, such as Zionist cooperation with both Nazis, Reds, big money boys and anyone else who would be willing to help the Zio cause.

  265. @Sam Shama

    Sam, are you enough of a fan of Yeshua to trust Him for the fate of your eternal soul? Hell or Heaven. It’s your choice. Messiah died for you so you might live.

    To answer your question about the Holy Spirit; refer to Genesis 1:26 where God says “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…..” the “Us” is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Shalom

  266. @Art

    I’d add Hillary and Johnny McShitstain and all those who gave Netanyahoo standing ovations.

  267. @Talha

    I’m glad you referenced the early Muslim conquests because the initial ones by the Rashidun were fairly clean as far as imperial conquests go.

    They were probably more than clean. I have little doubt that they were welcomed and the reason I say that is because the ruling classes were pretty disgusting and people were happy to have a chance at being ruled by milder masters.

    A similar thing happened with Nazi advancement. In the early stages, before the opposition got rolling, people welcomed the Nazis as liberators in some cases and as a source of defense against Red nastiness in others.

    • Replies: @Talha
  268. @Talha

    Looking at Hoyland’s face — the word that comes to mind is Compassion.

    thanks for that, Talha, and also, thanks for the videos of Muslims at prayer. I have been to a number of Islamic prayer services — including one in which I became trapped, away from my group, at a shrine in Mashad: it was otherwise an extraordinary experience: it was Spring, the carpets were laid in the outer courtyard. I watched a man with his young son — maybe 7 — they knelt together; father guided son to fold his hands properly, modeled for him when to bow and when to recite. It made me think of a brief essay Blake Archer Williams wrote on another forum, about how the Islamic church + state community in Iran supports the individual’s efforts at leading a good life & enhances the whole society. I was impressed.

    Another experience, where I heard an imam lead prayers for a visiting, multi-confessional group, was not so enriching: the imam’s prayers sounded harsh, not melodic. That’s a matter of style, of course. I’ve been to more than my share of church services where the choir or the congregation’s singing was dreadful. Catholics have completely lost it — their music is horrible. It used to be transcendent.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  269. @jacques sheete

    Yes Sr.
    If control if proof of superiority by itself they are superior than us hands down no contest.
    If at least the American people would have kept the printing press…..

  270. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey JS,

    I have little doubt that they were welcomed and the reason I say that is because the ruling classes were pretty disgusting and people were happy to have a chance at being ruled by milder masters.

    The Achilles heel of the Byzantines was that they were constantly trying to impose their version of Christianity on everybody (from the introduction of the referenced book by Prof. Hoyland):
    “This trend continued and was extended under the Muslims, who made little distinction between any of the conquered peoples, designating most as ‘People of the Book’ and offering them freedom of action in return for loyalty and taxes. This was accepted with some relief by many groups formerly under the rule of Byzantine emperors, who had generally pursued a less liberal policy than their Sasanian counterparts with regad to religious difference…The crucial difference was that the Christians of Iraq had no lost or diminished sovereignty to lament.As regards their faith, they had no reason to rue the Sasanian’s passing nor to expect deliverance from them. Thus it was both easier and more necessary for them to accept the change of rulers than for their Byzantine counterparts.”

    The Persian’s disadvantage was – exactly as you stated – who the hell wants to die so some pompous imperial nincompoop named Yazdegerd (demanding back-taxes at a time of war??!!) can keep his throne:
    “The Muslims now held these resources and were assisted by former members of the Sasanian army and administration who had defected. By 20/641 the organization of the military dīvān at Baṣra and Kūfa provided regular support for Muslim soldiers; by the 640s, Muslim armies based in Iraq were as well organized, provisioned, and equipped as the Sasanians themselves…However, Sasanian soldiers and local notables who defected to the Muslims, possibly as a consequence of local conflicts, secured a position in the new regime….Impecunious and arrogant, with a large retinue to support, Yazdegerd alienated the marzbān of Kermān and left for Sīstān just ahead of another Basran force, which defeated and killed the marzbān in heavy fighting. Having lost the support of the governor of Sīstān by demanding tax arrears, Yazdegerd headed for Marv.”

    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/arab-ii

    The later Muslim rulers were (unfortunately) often less amicable, more restrictive, and more demanding as far as taxes and such were concerned. And many turned out to be the epitome of the pompous imperial “prince”.

    Peace.

  271. Incitatus says:
    @anarchyst

    “Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .”

    Freddie got caught pretending he’d earned a professional degree and license, rather than a BA in history. In other words, Freddie – in his search for TRUTH – lied. He has no “professional…character” and his “personal character” is that of a liar and fraud. Called to account, Freddie admitted “he was not and had never been registered as a professional engineer, despite having represented himself as one.”

    Why, oh why, did Freddie lie? Did he lie about other things as well?

    Well, yes. Freddie described himself as an “execution expert” and “humanitarian” death manufacturer. His lethal injection system was found to merely paralyze and prevent victims from “screaming at the extreme pain…caused by the secondary potassium chloride injection.” Compassionate expertise indeed.

    A year after his consent decree he claimed:

    “a license is not required in Massachusetts, or any other state, unless the engineer is involved in construction of buildings, and is certifying compliance with specifications. There is also a statutory exemption for engineers who do not deal with the general public… there are more than fifty thousand practicing engineers in Massachusetts…”

    Licenses are required and must be kept current (annual fees and continuing education). There are 14,963 engineers in MA (2014). Freddie isn’t one of them.

    “practicing engineering without a license – a law which had never been used before or since…”

    Wrong. It’s regularly enforced. State registration boards routinely deal with similar self-proclaimed “experts.”

    http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/licensee/dpl-boards/en/massachusetts-board-of-registration-of.html

    Hope your doctor and pharmacist are more qualified (and truthful) than Freddie.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  272. renfro says:
    @jacques sheete

    ” We can all bet our sweet tushies on that and it would likely take several books to scratch the surface. If we toss in the theft of military secrets and hardware, infiltration of unions, banks, corporations, universities, religious institutions, and government, and the parasitic effect of jewish mobsters,”>>>>>>>>>

    There have already been numerous books written on all of that.
    Go to the site ifamericansknew.org to find a listing.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  273. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Either we have an imperfect body like the UN and try to follow through with its or go back to the law of the jungle – what’s it going to be?

    Imperfect it most certainly is, of greater contextual relevance is the UN’s utter lack of relevance on matters on which it has aspired be relevant. An international body with a title so suggestive of comity is, in fact, a club of a hundred irrelevant little states joined in perpetual wastefulness, periodically breaking their revelry with yet another condemnation of…yes you guessed it. That is the General Assembly; ruled by a group of 5, essentially calling all shots; funding the boondoggle is the sponsor: top dog 1.

    A club of this sort cannot deliver any meaningful resolutions until each member pays in equally. That is never going to happen. Instead, this body acts as a palliative for nations looking to dress their actions in the guise of ‘international legitimacy’.

    Not having a United Nations does not inevitably lead to the law of the jungle, either. It is the values of the dominant nations, their internal charters to design the rules of conduct for the world, which matter. I would say the UN is a farce and the laws of the dominant nations are merely rendered palatable for the rest, a world which insists on feeding itself the delusion of ‘international consensus’. It was never, ever, thus.

    It is also fair to say that Western nations are endowed with principles based on equity and pragmatism. You may say that morality and the higher virtues are relegated lower; that we forget our greater quests, but I submit these sentiments to be of little use, if not maudlin. Nations have only interests, and as long as these do not devolve into mass murder as they are known to, occasionally, we can safely consider a state’s object fulfilled. Yet, despite our troubles and all the fretting over ‘moral decay’ the world is doing rather well. In spite of religion, which has had a far worse record, one might add :) .

    A final word. Ashkenazi Jews are part European. Certainly. So this issue of a timeline to decide who gets to claim primacy of title to a land is ultimately a question of a few things. What have you got in your genes? What have you in capital [human and the green variety] which you have committed to caring the land? Humans groups come and go, the land remains.

  274. renfro says:
    @jacques sheete

    thanks Jacques

    Let us also remind the genocidal Jew excusers here that the International Criminal Court also uses the Rome Statutes definition of genocide

    http://www.iccnow.org/documents/FS-CICC-CoreCrimesinRS.pdf

    The crimes under the Court’s jurisdiction.

    Genocide:
    The Rome Statute defines the crime of genocide as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group:
    • Killing members of the group
    • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
    • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
    • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
    • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

    Zio trolls are themselves fed the hasbara that since Israel is not a signatory to the statute that it cant be prosecuted by the ICC…..BUT..wrong…Israel can be prosecuted by the ICC if a country (Palestine) bring crimes before the court. Counties that aren’t signatories can be brought to court by the country their crimes take place in.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  275. anarchyst says:
    @Incitatus

    Leuchter was (and still is) an expert on execution machinery…a very specialized form of “engineering”. There are many “engineers” without degrees, doing REAL engineering work. As an aside, if Leuchter was not an “engineer”, how was he able to procure state and federal contracts for the design of execution machinery??
    The “engineering” that you are talking about is that of “professional engineer”–one that designs buildings and their associated subsystems. There is a big difference between a “professional engineer” (as defined by law–the only engineering that state law covers) and the type of subsystem engineering that Leuchter was expert in… As Leuchter never claimed to be a “professional engineer” his prosecution under Massachusetts was motivated by those of the “tribe”.

  276. @Clyde

    So what. An equal number of Jews were booted out of Arab nations.

    Those Jews should have a right to return to those Arab countries just as Palestinians should have a right to return to Israel.

    It’s not that complicated, Clyde.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Clyde
  277. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C,

    No problem – thanks for reading and listening to the talk. There is a great interview the BBC did with him and Hugh Kennedy and another professor of Late Antiquity discussing the early Arab Conquests in detail. I’ll try to find and post it in the future some time if the topic comes up again.

    the imam’s prayers sounded harsh, not melodic

    LOL! Yeah – some people are just not cut out for recitation. As I mentioned before, one of my teachers was a very capable young mufti (and a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu!) but his recitation was like listening to an injured cat!

    Catholics have completely lost it — their music is horrible.

    They should drop the music and stick to what works.

    It used to be transcendent.

    You mean like this?:

    I love that stuff – maybe it’s because it reminds me of Sufi group dhikr.

    Peace.

  278. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    So this issue of a timeline to decide who gets to claim primacy of title to a land is ultimately a question of a few things. What have you got in your genes? What have you in capital [human and the green variety] which you have committed to caring the land? Humans groups come and go, the land remains.

    Blut und Boden

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  279. renfro says:
    @Sam Shama

    ”The Tatas and the Adanis [prominent business families in India] have in fact pledged their long-term support for projects involving Israel and the US. Likewise in Korea and Japan. Very heartening indeed to see so much international outpouring of felicity for the two allied nations”

    Oh please…lol ..where you gonna be when the US revolts and Israel’s gets dropped?

    We know all about the Israel and India alliance and how it came about. India wanted influence in the US to help raise it out of its muddy gutters so Israel approached India with the only thing of real value Israel has to offer any other country–which is its jewish lobby’s influence in the US congress…in exchange India would ally with Israel.

    And of course India’s Modi and his Hindus are screaming Muslim haters.

  280. Sam Shama says:
    @Avery

    Mostly, he’d have a sympathetic take if the subjects slithered on the ground.

  281. @Patriot

    And you didn’t pay attention to my tenses or timelines or actual point.

  282. renfro says:
    @Sam Shama

    ” of greater contextual relevance is the UN’s utter lack of relevance on matters on which it has aspired be relevant’>>>>

    What a poor silly little monkey you are …..if the UN is not relevant then by all means lets rescind all it acts and rulings …including UN Res 181 that created Israel.

    See how easy that is.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  283. anarchyst says:
    @ANON

    When my jewish friends claim that their “God gave them the land” I kindly remind them that “God is not a real estate agent”…shuts ‘em up every time…

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  284. renfro says:
    @German_reader

    Calling the deaths/murders of Jews a holocaust is ridiculous unless you want to call the other millions of deaths/murders of political prisoners, Russian POWs, disabled, religious priest , etc.etc. a holocaust also. Jews were considered enemies of the state….in part because of Hitler’s fear of them doing in Germany what the communist/Marxist Jewish Bolsheviks did in Russia.

    What is ironic is that Hitler was initially praised by Churchill and other national leaders as a bulwark against Bolshevism/communism in his early years.

  285. iffen says:
    @renfro

    UN Res 181 didn’t create Israel.

    Zionists created Israel.

    • Replies: @renfro
  286. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Israel was like an American army in the Middle East. If that had any validity then

    I think that if you go back to the WW1 era, the thinking in Britain was that the Zionists would be an asset and an outpost promoting European interests in the ME.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Wizard of Oz
  287. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    You attend[ed?] Mass in the wrong parish. :(

    Protip: A good parish can be found approximately by looking to see which parishes have daily masses (at the very least on Holy Days of Obligation) at or before 7:00 AM, so working people can go even if the priest has to get up early (I know, the horror).

    You will find by some mysterious coincidence these parishes have better music too.
    They might even have Mass in Latin.

    (above partly tongue-in-cheek)

  288. renfro says:
    @Sherman

    Israel has no high tech of its own….it has American IT companies located in Israel and in dozens of other countries.
    Foreign investment makes up 70% of Israel economy.
    You invented nothing, you have nothing that foreign countries didnt bring there.

    Israel is the world’s largest Ponzi scheme….pull one string of what Israel gets from other countries and it all falls down.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  289. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    who gets to claim primacy of title to a land is ultimately a question of a few things. What have you got in your genes?

    First written title:

    Genesis 12:7

    And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

    Of course, there is that Ishmael lien.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sam Shama
  290. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    No one dares mentions the Israeli influence in Washington because its unavoidable and a foregone conclusion.. They OWN our politics at every level. From the local municipal government, to all elected/appointed an bureaucratic position in the federal government.

    How do they accomplish this? Simple – by controlling the most important thing to human civilization – DIALOGUE.

    When you control how people talk and what people talk about, you invariably control what people THINK. As a result – Christian whites are self-hating deplorables. The Jews won this game.

    Kiss the US-A goodbye.. It is now and has been for the better part of 100 years a puppet regime of Zionists.. I knew this country was completely sold to Israeli interests when the gem of a politician Sarah Palin pledged her love for ISRAEL during one of her VP debates in 2008.. If that wasn’t a blatant admission that the Jews run this country – I don’t know what else can be used as proof of such..

    • Replies: @jconsley
    , @renfro
  291. @jacques sheete

    He claims to be, there’s probably no reason to doubt him. Such cuckoldry is sadly commonplace in the (former) West these days.

  292. Sam Shama says:
    @renfro

    [if the UN is not relevant then by all means lets rescind all it acts and rulings …including UN Res 181 that created Israel.]

    Ok, unsilly monkey, lets. Including 181. Israel not going anywhere. See, that was easy.

    • Replies: @renfro
  293. @Sam Shama

    Maven Shama,

    Due to your profound arrogance and incurable habit of talking down to people, you blithely pass over the work of bright idealistic Americans who did not want the U.N. to turn into “a hundred little states joined in perpetual wastefulness.”

    Ever hear of Yale-Man, WW II veteran, World Federalist champion, Cord Meyer, Jr.? (Zigh) I doubt it. Well, prior to starting his 28-year CIA career, he wrote the impressive book, linked below.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Facing-reality-world-federalism-CIA/dp/0060130326/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414483232&sr=1-1&keywords=Cord+Meyer,+Facing+Reality%3A+From+World+Federalism+to+the+CIA

    Riddle me this, Oracle Maven? Cord Meyer, Jr. hopped off the U.N. peace train and became the late-Mary Pinchot Meyer’s ex-husband before she was found murdered upon a Georgetown canal walkway. Who dunnit?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  294. @silviosilver

    You’ve nailed Derb, who’s useless, but Giraldi deserves a great deal of credit, he hits hard, within constraints.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  295. @German_reader

    Srawman. No serious revisionist says “it’s all a fraud”.

  296. bjondo says:
    @iffen

    ww1 era jew would be instrument to get u.s. into war. that was the brit thinking. the germans were destroying the english.

  297. @Avery

    Does the fat of female corpses provide the necessary fuel to burn almost a million bodies (as is claimed at Treblinka)?

  298. @anarchyst

    As well (overlooked by the plant Incitatus), his findings were confirmed by Jan Sehn’s forensic institute in Kraków (hardly a pro-German front). There is no evidence of mass gassings at Auschwitz, Leuchter’s credentials are completely irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  299. Clyde says:
    @silviosilver

    You have lots of absurd shoulds there.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  300. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    Some were definitely booted out and some left because they didn’t like the rise of Arab nationalism. But, yes, the new ethno-nationalist Middle East was no longer a place friendly to long-standing minorities.

    Roughly the same as Palestinians leaving the newly forming Israel in 1948. Some were evicted and some chose to leave. I see no difference, and after World War Two there were many population transfers. Palestinians and Jews via a via Israel were one of many. Jews got the boot from Muslim Arab nations and Palestinians got the boot.

    • Replies: @Talha
  301. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    Last week Robert Spencer wrestled you the ground in two moves. What an embarrassment for you being a self styled Islamic authority quoting your gurus and Imams left and right.

    • Replies: @Talha
  302. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Closing lines of Dune – Lady Jessica reassures Chani:
    “Think on it Chani. We who carry the name of ‘concubine’, history will call us wives.”

    Peace.

  303. Sam Shama says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    [Riddle me this, Oracle Maven? Cord Meyer, Jr. hopped off the U.N. peace train and became the late-Mary Pinchot Meyer’s ex-husband before she was found murdered upon a Georgetown canal walkway. Who dunnit?]

    Dear Chuckster,

    Who dunnit? How should I know? Perhaps she was slain by a stray bullet from hunter near the canal….

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  304. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Ishamael is welcome to dwell on the land and prosper. But Yitzhak controls the laws and defense of the land.

    • Replies: @renfro
  305. Clyde says:
    @Anon

    lol….Oded Yinon plan is a big fat nothing but the J obsessed dwell on it as if it is your secret decoder ring.

    • Replies: @Anon
  306. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Hey Clyde,

    OK – that’s fine – so we have the seed populations. But that’s not the contention I have been making. Even though I believe Israel is a completely unnatural fit for the Middle East, I recognize the borders drawn by the UN resolutions. Why isn’t she staying within her borders and within the rules? Why is she continuing to take over the West Bank in violation of resolutions?

    If the answer is – “might makes right” – then if one is breaking the law then one loses protections accorded by that law. Don’t cry if a Muslim army eventually arises to take it back.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  307. @Clyde

    You have lots of absurd shoulds there.

    If it was wrong for Jews to expel Palestinians, it surely wrong for Arabs to expel Jews. Both deserve a right of return.

    Of course, no one should be forced to return. If evicted Palestinians like it better in Jordan or Lebanon or wherever they are they should be able to stay there. If evicted Jews like it better in Israel, they should be allowed to stay there.

    What specifically is “absurd” about such a humanitarian stance?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Clyde
  308. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I get all this. I get that the European powers (especially the Brits) screwed everything up. I was simply offering up evidence to fight back the prevailing Zionist narratives. Yes it was not clean and yes they took it by force with the collusion of the Brits (who helped others take by force – like the Sauds). OK, but then the UN kicked in and defined rules that everyone is supposed to live up to.

    As to chipping away at the West Bank with settlements, I think that they should stop and I definitely think that the US should not be supporting them in that activity.

    That is exactly what I’m demanding (irrespective of history of how Israel was established). This and Israel not using its influence through Israeli-firsters and Neocons in the US to push policies where the US curb-stomps various nations in the ME on her behalf. How much more misery do they want to cause?

    Countries that have the military power do as they please.

    I’m really trying to keep things defined as Dar al-Sulh – I don’t think we want to go back to Dar al-Harb, now do we?

    Peace.

  309. @Rurik

    I’ve never denied that the Holocaust happened. It did

    Sorry Rurik, have to part company with you on this one, while agreeing with you on almost all your other pieces of writing. I am a scientist (or try to be) and so I only come to conclusions based on observations and evidence. So far I have heard a lot of assertions from those who profit from the narrative, while those who attempt to investigate the event are mocked, ostracized, and criminalized, with dire consequences to their lives, livelihood, and liberty.

    Just because it is the established narrative doesn’t make it true. Belief is not science. Copernicus and Galileo suffered for exactly such beliefs because the church profited from the acceptance of their narrative.

    So – no. I do not accept that the holocaust or any other event occurred until such time as there is ability to investigate the events without fear as one is able to do for all other historical events.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  310. @Beefcake the Mighty

    You’ve nailed Derb, who’s useless, but Giraldi deserves a great deal of credit, he hits hard, within constraints.

    No doubt about it. I gave him credit in that same post you replied to. I was just noting that it’s rare for the “I’m not racist” types to focus on the veritable fact that it’s Jews, specifically, who are behind America’s Israel-first foreign policy. Far too many “I’m not racist” types want to talk around this.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  311. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Let’s talk about Jericho…

    • Replies: @Talha
  312. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Hey Clyde,

    Last week Robert Spencer wrestled you the ground in two moves.

    Totally and I’m pretty sure everyone agrees with you as to how badly I was humiliated. For those who missed it, they can see it here:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/i-dont-hate-muslims-im-prudent-about-them-theres-a-difference/#comment-2067096

    Very embarrassing, but I’ll recover…sniff…I’m a big boy.

    How could I possibly win when he always tells the truth about Islam and Israel. And I don’t, because I am a Muslim and I lie. We know that because he said so, and he always tells the truth about Islam. Because he says so.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @RobinG
    , @SolontoCroesus
  313. Talha says:
    @silviosilver

    Hey silviosilver,

    What specifically is “absurd” about such a humanitarian stance?

    You used the phrase “Both deserve…” – that’s a big “No, no”.

    Peace.

  314. Incitatus says:
    @anarchyst

    “There are many “engineers” without degrees, doing REAL engineering work…”

    Lacking a professional degree and current license, you’re not legally entitled to call yourself an ‘engineer’ in fields involving public safety. Leuchter is an inventor/executioner who tried to enhance his credentials to attract/maintain state DOC business and serve as an expert witness. Both illegal.

    “…if Leuchter was not an “engineer”, how was he able to procure state and federal contracts for the design of execution machinery??”

    States probably began to require professional credentials at some point. Freddie lied. That’s why he pled a consent decree admitting same and lost his contracts. He’s a fraud.

    “The “engineering” that you are talking about is that of “professional engineer”–one that designs buildings and their associated subsystems.”

    Professional licensing involves public safety. Electrocution and lethal injection fit the bill. Engineering and medicine? MA Board of Registration:

    “The Board [of engineering] currently licenses in the following disciplines: Aeronautical, Agricultural, Architectural, Chemical, Civil, Control Systems, Electrical, Environmental, Fire Protection, Heating & Ventilation, Industrial, Land Surveyor, Mechanical, Metallurgical, Mining and Mineral, Naval Architecture, Nuclear, Petroleum, Safety, Sanitary, Structural. The Board no longer, but has in the past, also licensed in the following disciplines: Aeronautical/Aerospace, Architectural Marine, Astronautical, Ceramic, Construction, Corrosion, Electronic, Engineering Physics, Geotechnical, Highway, Manufacturing, Marine, Materials, Plumbing, Quality, Railroad, Systems, Traffic, Transportation.”

    Would you patronize an unlicensed doctor? Live next to a nuclear plant designed by an unlicensed engineer?

    “Leuchter was (and still is) an expert on execution machinery…a very specialized form of “engineering.”

    Can you be sure? What academic degree does he hold? Engineering courses? Medical courses? Chemistry courses? What period of internship? Who supervised his experience? What exam did he take and pass? Was he licensed by others in his field? Peer reviewed? Without these things how do you know he’s qualified, let alone expert? Those he helped execute are mute.

  315. Incitatus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    BM! What an honor!

    “Leuchter’s credentials are completely irrelevant.”

    Then why, oh why, did Freddie lie? Was he embarrassed to be nothing more than a home schooled executioner with a history degree? Clients suddenly require engineering credentials? That’s my bet. My, oh my; why, oh why?

    Good subject for your next Bund meeting don’t ya think?

    No need to thank me. Say hi to Dolf and Eva.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  316. geokat62 says:
    @silviosilver

    I was just noting that it’s rare for the “I’m not racist” types to focus on the veritable fact that it’s Jews, specifically, who are behind America’s Israel-first foreign policy.

    You must have missed this:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

  317. Skeptikal says:
    @German_reader

    You gotta be kidding.
    The world is currently full of Jews, despite the widely acknowledge genocidal activities of the Third Reich.
    There are still Rwandans in Africa, despite the widely acknowledge Rwandn genocide.
    There are still Armenians in Amenia, as well as California, despite the (controversial) Armenian genocide. Et cetera, Bozo.
    Go wash out your Bozo brain with soap!

  318. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    How could I possibly win when he always tells the truth about Islam and Israel. And I don’t, because I am a Muslim and I lie. We know that because he said so, and he always tells the truth about Islam. Because he says so.

    With all due respect, and I mean this in a nice way. You have to stop messing around with a false prophet. You seem honest but you are trying to interpret a black swamp of ridiculous assertions by long dead Muslim commentators. You are rooting for your home team who turn out to be nine dead Muslim snake charmers, fakirs and fakers.

    • Replies: @Talha
  319. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    You’re a brave one Uncle T. Maybe I’ve been to that lunatic hangout once, and that was enough.

    • Replies: @Talha
  320. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    1400 years of Islamic Jihad conquest against Jews, Christians, Hindus (death toll 80 million), Buddhists, Zoroastrian Persians. You idiots totally f***** up Persia. When the Jews do a small conquest/Jihad to establish Israel who cares? Only Muslims care and stupid Swedes and Norwegians who amazingly enough invited tens of thousands of male Muslims in to conquer their females.

    Meanwhile Ragnar Lothbrok is a big hit in the theaters these weeks

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @jacques sheete
  321. @SolontoCroesus

    Amazing scholarship, S2C, as we have come to expect from you, and so well-worded!

    To this, I can only add that, contrary to the lack of evidence for a holocaust having happened, over the years, much evidence has been provided by many to show that the Nazis took as good a care of the prisoners as they could despite the lack of rations during war time. In many cases, it has been shown from camp records, that the prisoners were fed more calories per day than the average German.

    Meanwhile, there has not been a single proven instance of a death camp or a gas chamber (barring the ridiculous post-war construction of a facade that couldn’t contain the reputed gas without killing the Nazis themselves), but there are evidence of swimming pools, theaters, brothels, and other entertainment for the prisoners – an odd degree of charity towards people one intends to exterminate in short order.

    The holocaust gets wheeled out whenever Israel is about to do some evil to recast themselves as the perpetual victims. And now:

    2 former Nazi camp guards charged with hundreds of Holocaust killings

    Two former SS officers in their 90s have been charged with facilitating hundreds of murders at the Stutthof concentration camp during the Second World War.
    The unnamed suspects, aged 92 and 93, were charged as part of an ongoing investigation by German prosecutors into Nazi-era crimes during the occupation of Poland.

    The state prosecutor’s office in the western city of Dortmund said the guards’ actions during their time at the Stutthof concentration camp, made them “accessories in numerous killings” reports AFP.

    The 92-year-old officer was stationed at Stutthof for 11 months between 1944 and 1945, while the 93-year-old suspect was a guard at the camp for over two years from 1942 to 1944.

    Both are accused of involvement in 1944 of the mass killing of more than 100 Polish prisoners in a gas chamber, 77 wounded Soviet prisoners of war, and hundreds of Jews who thought they were bound for a labor camp.

    There is evidence to show that jews died in the camps, not because extermination, but because of the outbreak of typhus. In fact, Zyklon-B, the supposed fuel of the gas chambers, was used to disinfect prisoner clothing in order to combat typhus. This has been denied by the purveyors of the holocaust narrative, so it is rather ironic that the above article goes on to say:

    They are also being held accountable for their role in the outbreak of deadly diseases in the camp, such as typhus, which led to the death of several hundred prisoners.

    So, now they accept the outbreak of typhus, but the narrative has shifted to this disease being deliberately applied to the jews in order to bring about the desired extermination that the non-existent gas chambers were unable to accomplish!

    Call me a denier if you will. I see myself as a skeptical enquirer for most stories that are fed to me that cannot be independently be corroborated. I am not just picking on the jewish conspiracy, the supposed killing of OBL by Obama is up there with things that I don’t accept at face value. Given how many things of serious proportions and impact on humanity that our government has lied about (Gulf of Tonkin, anyone? How about USS Liberty?) I think it is the height of naïveté and stupidity to take anything they say at face value without the afore mentioned corroboration.

    Oh, and don’t get me started on Dresden and the actual holocaust of the German people!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Rurik
    , @Lex
  322. Clyde says:
    @Avery

    There was an Armenian genocide by the Ottoman Muslims. Hitler (yo uncle A) liked to refer to this plus he admired the Islamics and Muhammad and their barracks religion of conquest and Lebensraum.

    Most ironic that German today gets the sh** end of the stick of Islamic + Black African Lebensraum. But France gets more of the Black Africans.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @L.K
    , @anon
  323. The Jews in Israel are all hardcore right wingers who believe in Walls and Guns, while the Jews in the US and Europe are all hardcore left wingers who want to confiscate guns, are vehemently against the southern border wall and want open borders. The irony is, these same left wingers in the US are extremely supportive of their right wing brethrens in Israel.

    Why don’t they want open borders for Israel, if they think it’s so great for the US and Europe? It’s clear they know open borders means suicide for Jewish culture in Israel, which means the only reason they want it for the US and Europe is because they want to destroy WASP culture, which they see as the greatest threat to Jewish dominance.

    In retrospect John Kerry’s final speech to the UN about Israel’s occupation of Palestine threatening 2 state solution in Mideast was incredibly courageous. Not surprisingly he’s since been kicked to the curb by msm. America is now simply their military arm run by an Israeli puppet regime. It doesn’t even matter who we put in the WH anymore, they all answer to Israel. Trump bows to Netanyahu and kisses his ring.

    We should just rename the country United States of Israel. Along with the United Kingdom of Israel across the Atlantic, we’ve formed the most powerful Jewish state ever built, and not surprisingly the biggest threat to world peace since Jews are a quarrelsome vindictive bunch who could never stop meddling in other’s affairs and start wars, they can’t help themselves.

  324. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Hey RobinG,

    No I didn’t go his dive, Mr. Spencer came here for some reason. I have no idea how or why he found out about my post. I’m a bit flattered though that he thought it worth his attention. He asked me to come over to debate him on his website and I declined because of the reason you’re pointing out – it’s a serious lunatic hangout. I’ve seen some Muslims try to talk sense there – completely, utterly useless. Here at least it’s split; some people hate my guts, but some people are willing to hear me out. So I consider it a neutral ground. I told him he knew where to find me if he wanted to discuss further. He said he was busy and went away.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  325. @iffen

    Sounds plausoble though the Arabists at F.O wouldn’t have liked it – not to mention T.E. Lawrence.

    • Replies: @iffen
  326. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Okay, but I was referring the The Derb’s column, lol. At least the Unz moderator gave you a golden border, FWIW.

    • Replies: @Talha
  327. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Hey Clyde,

    1400 years of Islamic Jihad conquest

    No – more like 1100 – we’ve been on the defensive for the last few centuries. Update your flashcards.

    death toll 80 million

    Your dog killed 200 million Hindus. Update your flashcards.

    You idiots totally f***** up Persia.

    That was Alexander with his burning of Persepolis. The Persians became the vanguards of our religion. They were always a regional power with regional influence – through Islam, their influence reaches from Morocco to Malaysia.

    When the Jews do a small conquest/Jihad to establish Israel who cares?

    Why don’t you give them Utah and see who cares.

    stupid Swedes and Norwegians who amazingly enough invited tens of thousands of male Muslims in to conquer their females.

    Yeah – apparently women are biologically attuned to want to have kids and Western males seem less and less down for that. They let them in, they can kick them out – what’s stopping them from making the laws? Isn’t this how democracies are supposed to work?

    Peace.

    Note (to those with an academic interest on the subject): This is what the (non-Chalcedonian) Syriac Orthodox Church has written on the subject of the initial Muslim conquests – they were one of the oldest communities to have had continuous contact with Muslims since day one:
    “At the beginning of the 7th century Heraklios (610-641 A.D.) ascended the throne of the East-Roman Empire. After he defeated the Persians and conquered Mesopotamia, he forced his way into Syria in 612 A.D. In 629 A.D. he occupied Damascus. Following that he tried earnestly to restore the religious unity in his empire to unite the Syrians, Copts and Armenians with the Byzantines. This happened on the one hand through promises and on the other hand through threats. Very often he used ruthless oppression through which many Syrians, Copts, and Armenians became martyrs. The persecution of the Syrian Church by the Byzantine Empire did not end until the appearance of Islam.
    Only through the campaigns of Islam in the first half of the 7th century was it possible to free the East from the Byzantines and the Persians. This happened with the help of the members of the Syrian Church; the original inhabitants of Syria of whom one part was of Aramaic origin who inhabited these areas for generations and another part was of Arabic origin. When the Arab Muslims marched into Syria they were welcomed by the Syrians who saw the new rulers as saviors who freed them from the yoke of the Byzantines because the Byzantines tried by force to assimilate them into the Byzantine Church. This was the church of the empire and membership in it would have meant compulsorily acceptance of the resolutions of Chalcedon: that Christ had two natures, the human eating, drinking and feeling pain and the divine making miracles. This would have been a denial of the dogma of their church fathers. The Syrians were also able through the cooperation with the Arab Muslims to retain their ecclesiastical dogma, the Antiochian See, their churches, monasteries, ecclesiastical inheritance and their liturgy.

    http://syrianorthodoxchurch.org/2010/03/a-short-overview-of-the-common-history/

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  328. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Thanks for the advice. Do you know how many opinions were in that short post without any shred of evidence to back up assertions?

    You are rooting for Israeli-firsters and anyone who fights or kills Muslims – even poor villagers who have nothing to do with combat. This young man walked seven days with his elderly parents slung in baskets to get them to safety:

    https://www.dailysabah.com/asia/2017/09/13/young-rohingya-man-carries-elderly-parents-in-baskets-to-escape-myanmar-violence

    But who cares – they’re all just Muslim, right?

    Why should we take you seriously? What evidence do we have that you have any idea what basic moral principles are? Such as, the crimes of somebody like the Turks in the past do not condemn pencil-thin octogenarians in Bangladesh.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  329. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    LOL! Oh OK – well, for the record – I avoid posting anything on Mr. Sailer’s threads. I think people need a “safe space” to post mind-numbingly stupid things about Islam and Muslims without being disturbed.

    Peace.

  330. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Can’t. Apparently there’s a 14 century-length statute of limitations on what’s considered an invasion.

    Peace.

  331. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    Only a person who has never read Oded Yinon plan could be so sure of its “nothingness.”
    The miserable Milikowsky (Bibi) has been making various bold (and fact-free) pronouncements re Iran’s plans; in comparison, Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel is real, existing in writing. The same pernicious “nothing” that permeates the speeches and writings of the moral midget Ben Gurion and the consistently dishonest Golda Meir.

    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/ben-gurion-and-massacre-of-deir-yassin/?print=pdf

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10656837-the-unspoken-alliance

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

  332. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    Not having a United Nations does not inevitably lead to the law of the jungle, either.

    Not by necessity, no.

    Kant stated; “The state of peace among men living side by side is not the natural state; the natural state is one of war.”

    Hobbes stated; ” Hereby it is manifest that, during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war, and such a war as is of every man against every man. For ‘war’ consisteth not in battle only or the act of fighting, but in a tract of time wherein the will to contend by battle is sufficiently known, and therefore the notion of ‘time’ is to be considered in the nature of war, as it is in the nature of weather. For as the nature of foul weather lieth not in a shower or two of rain but in an inclination thereto of many days together, so the nature of war consisteth not in actual fighting but in the known disposition thereto during all the time there is no assurance to the contrary. All other time is ‘peace.’”

    I, and many others on this forum, find many US government actions repugnant (from federal to local) but that doesn’t mean we think it’s cool to skirt the law.

    I submit these sentiments to be of little use, if not maudlin.

    I submit that wouldn’t be your position if you were born a Palestinian in the West Bank. This honestly sounds like the morality of Machiavellian calculus or at least of a little guy who has a really big buddy he can lean on to back him up if he wants to take someone’s lunch money.

    Yet, despite our troubles and all the fretting over ‘moral decay’ the world is doing rather well.

    I would say yes – unless you are a Syrian.

    In spite of religion, which has had a far worse record, one might add

    Religion had a really, really long time to build up its kill notches. Secularism has only taken the field a relatively short time ago and is pound-for-pound wracking up a far higher rate at a much faster pace.

    What have you got in your genes?

    Jews Are The Genetic Brothers Of Palestinians, Syrians, And Lebanese

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm

    which you have committed to caring the land?

    “The uprooting and cutting down of over a million olive and fruit trees in occupied Palestine since 1967 is an attack on a symbol of life, and on Palestinian culture and survival, writes Dr. Cesar Chelala. A grave crime under international humantarian law, the arboricide is also contrary to Jewish religious teachings.”

    http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/2986170/destruction_of_palestinian_olive_trees_is_a_monstrous_crime.html

    Humans groups come and go, the land remains.

    As well as sovereignty; Egyptians, Jews, Byzantines, Persians, Arabs, Mongols, Turks, Brits, Jews – do you believe this is the end of history? Look, I’ve never had a problem with Jews living in the area – they are most welcome. But this hostile takeover of the West Bank in violation of UN resolutions, advocating policies that cause ruination to all her neighbors – Israel is painting herself in a corner she is becoming more delusional. She is making it less and less likely that this ends in a sane way.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Anon
  333. jconsley says:
    @Anon

    Anon — is certainly correct. In fact, most of the commentators of the article by Giraldi ignore the subject of the article. The comments reflect the old adage that if you cannot win the argument just change the subject. Discussion of the Holocaust, how many Jews were removed from Arab lands, God distributed the land of Palestine to the Jews, world wars, Germany, etc. ignore the corruption that has brought control of the U.S. Congress and the monetary cost to U.S. citizens. There should be no tax dollars funding holocaust museums. No U.S. tax dollars funding propaganda “think tanks.” Most comments do not relate to the subject that Israel receives an inordinate amount of monetary benefits afforded no other foreign country yet takes actions that ignores the interests of the U.S. Therefore, there should be an evaluation of the tax code that allows U.S. dollars given for Israel be tax free. Money given for many U.S. charitable purposes is not tax free for Americans. Is money given by hard working Mexicans to their country tax free as provided for Jews of this country? If one were convinced that England, or any other country, should be receiving money for a specific charity, why has Congress not enacted a law that makes the England gift tax free? Actually any law allowing tax free money benefiting foreign countries should be removed from the tax codes. Indeed no chosen citizens are to be provided relief from U.S. taxes for gifts to any foreign country. The subject of Giraldi’s article is U.S. dollars spent for the benefit of Israel! Evidently the U.S. Congress is not aware that in borrowing money to benefit Israel it is obligating U.S. citizens to work to pay the national debt it has accumulated!

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  334. @Cloak And Dagger

    Powerful statement, Cloak and Dagger. Thanks.

  335. @Talha

    Sorry that happened to you, Talha, and blessings for entering the ring in the first place, and enduring calumny gracefully.

    I didn’t follow the whole exchange/controversy — Robert Spencer = negative attraction — but someone gotta do it, so thanks.

  336. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    the Arabists at F.O wouldn’t have liked it

    If Benny Morris can be relied upon, and I haven’t seen anything to suggest otherwise, the workings of the Arab Bureau tended to change, sometimes radically, with a change in personnel, further, there were instances of the personnel pursuing policies that contravened the relevant “White Paper,” especially as after WW2 when it was becoming obvious that there would not be a soft landing for the Mandate.

  337. @Sam Shama

    Hey Mr. Maven Know-it-All,

    Surely at minimum you know about the Israeli denounced work of the late-Michael Collins Piper. For those who do not, refer to link below.

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Assassinations_page/Israel%27s_Central_Role_FJ.html

    (Zigh) Wonder if the Deep State, CIA-Mossad Department, holds back classified documents on Mary Pinchot Meyer’s unsolved evil murder?

  338. @Clyde

    Run it by the UN

    If Jews want to return to those Arab countries, let them run it by the UN. If they don’t wish to, then they have no right to claim keeping out Palestinian refugees is justified by Algeria or Iraq having expelled Jews.

  339. @silviosilver

    Anyone paying attention to their behavior is left with no choice but to steadfastly challenge them. If you don’t…you’re going to keep getting trounced by them, because they’re going to pursue their interests to the hilt and run roughshod over yours regardless of whether you like them or not.

    They don’t understand anything but lies and force, if that.

  340. @jconsley

    anon — The past is prologue.

  341. @bjondo

    Speaking of planes, check this out. Why stop at planes; why not just grab a whole aircraft manufacturing plant and smuggle it to Israel?

    Henry Crown’s grandfather, Henry, (Henry Krinsky) was a … gangster from Chicago who became a major weapons smuggler to the Zionist forces in Palestine. Henry Crown provided the nascent Jewish state with its first aircraft manufacturing plant – smuggled out of the United States to Israel in violation of U.S. law in the early 1950s.

    “James Crown: The Israeli Connection in the Madoff Scam” by Christopher Bollyn, October 26, 2013

    http://www.bollyn.com/14419/

  342. @Cloak And Dagger

    Given how many things of serious proportions and impact on humanity that our government has lied about..I think it is the height of naïveté and stupidity to take anything they say at face value without the afore mentioned corroboration.

    Well said.

  343. @Clyde

    Most ironic that German today gets the sh** end of the stick of Islamic + Black African Lebensraum.

    Irony aplenty.

    It’s ironic that the Germany of yesterday as well as today gets the sh** end of the stick of Zionist Lebensraum.

    There’s plenty of irony in the fact that Nazis supported the Zionist project in Palestine.

    What “Islamic + Black African Lebensraum” are you talking about? Another irony is that it’s not Lebensraum they’re seeking, but relief from the terror imposed by the stinky little Ziostate that keeps expanding its “terrorraum.”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  344. geokat62 says:

    Breaking News

    Israel is ready to share intelligence on Iran with Saudi Arabia – IDF chief tells media

    The chief-of-staff of Israel’s military (IDF) told a Saudi newspaper that his country is ready to share intelligence on Iran with Riyadh, i24 News reports.

    Lt. Gen. Gadi Eisenkot, chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), also told the paper that Iran is the “biggest threat to the region,” Haaretz reported. He said that Tel Aviv and Riyadh are in full agreement about Iran’s intentions, noting that Israel and Saudi Arabia have never fought each other.

    Eisenkot also said that Israel’s security situation has never been better than it is today, claiming that is why “we are highly regarded by the moderate countries in the region.” He went on to accuse Tehran of trying to destabilize the region by building weapons factories and supplying advanced arms to terrorist groups throughout the Middle East.

    “Iran seeks to take control of the Middle East, creating a Shi’ite crescent from Lebanon to Iran and then from the Gulf to the Red Sea,” Eisenkot said when asked about Iran’s intended goal. “We must prevent this from happening.”

    The IDF chief went on to stress that Israel has no intention of launching an attack on Hezbollah in Lebanon. “We see Iranian attempts at bringing about an escalation, but I don’t see a high chance for this at the moment,” he said.

    https://www.rt.com/news/410049-israel-share-intelligence-on-iran/

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Anon
  345. @renfro

    There have already been numerous books written on all of that.
    Go to the site ifamericansknew.org to find a listing.

    Thanks for the link. Christopher Bollyn is also another fine source for that sort of thing.

  346. @renfro

    Let us also remind the genocidal Jew excusers here that the International Criminal Court also uses the Rome Statutes definition of genocide

    Don’t tell Clyde! ;)

  347. @anarchyst

    …shuts ‘em up every time…

    They actually shut up? ;)

  348. @Clyde

    When the Jews do a small conquest/Jihad to establish Israel who cares? Only Muslims care …

    Well, as an American tax slave, I care. The Zio project and Zio infiltration of the banks, corporations and government of the US have hastened the decay of this dump, so you can bet yer tusch that I care.

    PS: I’m not a Muslim.Yet.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  349. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Most ironic that German today gets the sh** end of the stick of Islamic + Black Africans.

    not ironic, another manifestation of bottomless Jewish hate — seething, boiling, bubbling, toxic hate.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  350. “The Jewish population [in Russia] in its mass showed a suspicious, even hostile attitude towards the Bolsheviks. But when, as a result of the revolution, it had acquired complete freedom which fostered a real expansion of Jewish activity in the political, social and cultural spheres—a well‐organized activity to boot—it did nothing to prevent the Bolshevik Jews from occupying the key positions, and these made an exceedingly cruel use of this new power fallen into their hands.”

    Alexandr Solzhenitsyn – Chapter 15 “Two Hundred Years Together” (a translation)

    With eyes wide shut, we are witnessing the harnessing and enslavement of what was the greatest country on earth. But isn’t it the Jews that made it great, you ask? A minimal study of (not commonly available) history will show that Jewish migrations and infestations follow the true creators in close succession and that they cannot moderate themselves to avoid killing their host.

    Ah well, all good things come to an end.

  351. @geokat62

    Hey geokat62,

    Thanks for the information and I sense there was unadvertised “intelligence sharing” involving the Saud royals and Israelis for quite some time.

    Please look at V.T. article (below) which serves to better explain my concerns?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/11/11/zionist-agenda-to-denuclearize-pakistan/

    As you know, geo, we are not privy to other huge Zionist plans that will try and guarantee Israel’s preeminent position M.E. position while the exploitive Far East economic-military pivot develops.

    Thank you!

  352. @anonymous

    …not ironic, another manifestation of bottomless Jewish hate — seething, boiling, bubbling, toxic hate.

    Tell that to Clyde; he made the statement you quoted.

    Anyway, I agree with you about the hate. I guess the money machine doesn’t buy safety, felicity or, judging by the picture, decent or good looking company either.

    If they’re so rich (and thereby kool) and smart, a dumb goy such as myself is compelled to ask why they spend so much time obsessing and whining about victimhood.

    PS: DId you know that debt is good? Yup, we were told that a while back. I wonder if the monkeys in the picture are in debt.

    • Replies: @L.K
  353. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    “…Israel and Saudi Arabia have never fought each other.”
    Great acknowledgement. One terrorist state has a compete understanding of another terrorist state. Dancing Israelis and the 9/11 sponsors come to mind in one package.

  354. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FlintWheel

    “…they cannot moderate themselves to avoid killing their host.” Amen.
    Time for the US to learn the lesson.

  355. @FlintWheel

    A minimal study of (not commonly available) history will show that Jewish migrations and infestations follow the true creators in close succession and that they cannot moderate themselves to avoid killing their host.

    Flintwheel, your observation should go on Bishop Fulton Sheen’s blackboard.

    PS Callista Gingrich, wife of Newt, protege of Sheldon, is now US ambassador to Vatican.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @FlintWheel
  356. Rurik says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Oh, and don’t get me started on Dresden and the actual holocaust of the German people!

    yes, Dresden (and Waco) were actual holocausts by definition, and perpetrated by the ZUSA with full knowledge that they were burning men, women and children alive, for the purposes of burning them alive. In order to sate an insatiable hatred in their black and demonic souls.

    I agree.

    As to the Holocaust..

    it is the height of naïveté and stupidity to take anything they say at face value without the afore mentioned corroboration.

    again, I agree, (as usual)

    I suppose it comes down to a definition of the Holocaust. I looked, and the kosher Wiki describes it thus:

    The Holocaust, also referred to as the Shoah,[b] was a genocide during World War II in which Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Germany, aided by its collaborators, systematically murdered some six million European Jews, around two-thirds of the Jewish population of Europe.[5][c] From 1941 to 1945, Germany targeted European Jewry for extermination as part of a larger event that included the persecution and murder of other, inconsequential groups.

    [ok, I added the word inconsequential]

    based on that definition, sure, such hogwash is a preposterous absurdity. But then the article goes on to qualify…

    A broader definition of the Holocaust includes the murder of the Roma and the “incurably sick”.[7] A broader definition still includes ethnic Poles, other Slavic groups, Soviet citizens and prisoners of war, homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, black people, and political opponents.

    and so it gets blurred. And then of course the numbers. We all know the plaque at Auschwitz reduced the numbers of killed by a couple of million, so I’m not sure what kind of conjuring they’re using to get at their holy six million number, but does anyone take the canons and tenets of the Holocaust seriously? After all the lampshade and soap bullshit?

    But if you contend that all those pictures

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Holocaust&form=HDRSC2&first=1&cw=1263&ch=930

    (I see they included photos of Holodomor victims [the emaciated family on the bench] for added effect, as indeed, they’ve been known to use Dresden victims in their photo montages as well. Which, when you consider that the victims of the Holodomor and Dresden were perpetrated by the very enemies of Nazi Germany, using those photos as proof of the Holocaust is particularly venomous and sadistic)

    Anyways, looking at those photos, lots and lots of Jews and others were rounded up and interred. Many died, perhaps of typhus and other afflictions, perhaps shot by the guards as malefactors. Who can be sure, but those people were in those camps, and many of them no doubt perished (Jews as well as homosexuals and communists and others).

    So, if we all must take the Holocaust as it is written in the holy scrolls, (Hollywood scripts), as one, with the six million number and the intent to genocide all the Jews and others.. with the lampshades and soap and evil experiments and bears and eagles and all the other hysterical bullshit – or none of it happened, and it was ALL a hoax, then fine, it was a hoax.

    But.. if we can take a more nuanced view of it, and say most of the lies they’ve told about it all were of course war propaganda and a blood libel against the German people, and used as an excuse for the horrors that were visited upon Germans and others at the end of the war..

    but that some of it did indeed happen, and for that, we can call that the Holocaust, then that’s where I’d suggest that it did happen. Jews and others were put into camps. Often times (especially at the end of the war) the conditions were terrible. Is it not fair to give this event, that not just Jews suffered during, but Poles and Catholics and homos and others, a name? And if this event, (even with the hysterical avalanche of devil’s lies) did happen, then why isn’t it proper to call it the Holocaust?

    Perhaps the Resurrection happened, perhaps it didn’t. I don’t know. I wasn’t there. It might seem unlikely to many scientific types, even if it’s a sacred tenet of other’s religion. But even if you don’t necessary believe it in the literal sense, the myth has taken on a meaning all it’s own, and has become an event. It’s celebrated and held sacred by hundreds of millions of people. When someone speaks of it, they don’t always mean the event itself, but rather it’s wider reality in the minds of so many people. That it has a meaning all its own, outside the literal narrative.

    I suppose that’s sort of how I see the Holocaust. As a sort of modern day tenet of our collective state-imposed religion.

    Is it based mostly on hyperbolic lies and half-truths, and used to demonize a race for perpetuity? Yes, but it is nevertheless a popular reality, just as the Resurrection is a reality.

    If we claim that it flat out never happened, then how are young people, looking at those photos of concentration camp inmates, going to respond?

  357. Clyde says:
    @jacques sheete

    The real Zio infiltration that should concern you are those Zion mind rays that are frying what is left between your ears.

  358. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    Muslim Bangladesh should take in the Muslim Rohigyha that are being driven out of Burma by their Buddhists. It is Muslim Bangladesh that is heartless here. You are from that part of the world so you know what the score is. Everyone wants their own ethno-state. This is why the 1948 partition of India. The ethno-state for Rohingya is Bangladesh.

    • Replies: @Talha
  359. renfro says:
    @ANONYMOUS

    The fat lady has yet to sing .

  360. Rurik says:
    @FlintWheel

    With eyes wide shut, we are witnessing the harnessing and enslavement of what was the greatest country on earth.

    greatest civilization

    “… and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality”

    or, in the immortal words of that other, most prescient of luminaries

    “a boot, stamping on a human face ~ forever.”

  361. renfro says:
    @iffen

    The Zionist are ‘holocaust beggars’ and common thieves ..they created nothing but a mafia cult.

  362. L.K says:
    @Clyde

    It is pretty well established that you are nothing but a zionist liar and agitator.

    Everything you write is BS.

    You must be referring to the FAKE Hitler quote “Who remembers Armenians?”.

    Historian of Armenian Descent Says Frequently Used Hitler Quote Is Nothing But a Forgery

    Baden-Baden, W. Germany – Dr. Robert John, a historian and political analyst of Armenian descent from New York City, declared here that a commonly used quotation of an alleged statement by Adolf Hitler concerning the Armenian massacres was a forgery and should not be used.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  363. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey, J.S,

    In case you haven’t read it yet, I really recommend you get Ellen Brown’s “Web of Debt”.

    EXPLODING THE MYTHS ABOUT MONEY

    Our money system is not what we have been led to believe. The creation of money has been “privatized,” or taken over by private money lenders. Thomas Jefferson called them �bold and bankrupt adventurers just pretending to have money.� Except for coins, all of our money is now created as loans advanced by private banking institutions � including the privately-owned Federal Reserve. Banks create the principal but not the interest to service their loans. To find the interest, new loans must continually be taken out, expanding the money supply, inflating prices � and robbing you of the value of your money.

    Not only is virtually the entire money supply created privately by banks, but a mere handful of very big banks is responsible for a massive investment scheme known as “derivatives,” which now tallies in at hundreds of trillions of dollars. The banking system has been contrived so that these big banks always get bailed out by the taxpayers from their risky ventures, but the scheme has reached its mathematical limits. There isn’t enough money in the entire global economy to bail out the banks from a massive derivatives default today.

    Find out more about the book at http://www.webofdebt.com/

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  364. renfro says:
    @Anon

    ” No one dares mentions the Israeli influence in Washington because its unavoidable and a foregone conclusion..”>>>>

    I have been calling my politicians for years protesting Israel and even accusing them of treason by being ‘bought’ by the Jewish Fifth Column .

    Israel has gotten away with what they have because enough people don’t do this.

  365. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Hey Clyde,

    Muslim Bangladesh should take in the Muslim Rohigyha that are being driven out of Burma by their Buddhists.

    Yes, agreed. If the Muslim world can’t manage trying to stop it by physical or political means, then they should certainly take in the refugees as their brothers and other Muslim nations should help fund their resettlement. Bangladesh was being callous at the beginning, but that might be because it’s a pretty dirt poor country.

    I believe they turned course once the Turks made this announcement:
    “Ankara says that Turkey is ready to cover all of the expenses for taking in Rohingya Muslims who are being persecuted in Myanmar”

    https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-tells-bangladesh-to-open-their-doors-to-rohingya-muslims-10157

    Everyone wants their own ethno-state.

    Yup, this is definitely part of the problem.

    Peace.

  366. L.K says:

    Spy Trade: How Israel’s Lobby Undermines America’s Economy – November 1, 2009
    by Grant F. Smith (Author),‎ Michael Scheuer (Foreword)

    …In the midst of both the Iran-Contra affair and the Jonathan Pollard espionage incident, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the Israeli embassy conducted a spectacular clandestine operation against American industries and workers; it has so far cost the US economy $71 billion and a hundred thousand jobs each year by shutting down or diverting US exports. More than a dissection of the tactics used by Israel and its lobby to evade justice, Spy Trade provides strategies for ending criminal immunity and restoring American governance.

    https://www.amazon.com/Spy-Trade-Israels-Undermines-Americas/dp/0976443716/ref=la_B001JRXLHM_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1510850207&sr=1-4

  367. renfro says:
    @Sam Shama

    ” Israel not going anywhere. ”>>>

    If I was a member of group that had been expelled from a hundred countries since that group’s existence I wouldn’t be too sure that history wont repeat.

    Are the Court Jews depending on the governments to protect their cult and crimes against the citizens as they depended on the crown in times pass? That didn’t work did it?

    You Never Learn.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  368. renfro says:
    @Sam Shama

    Israel exist only at the pleasure of the US government.

    Where will you be when that changes.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  369. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    Today( 1933- 1942) we work closely with Nazi We adore follow offer succor ,comraderies, advanced information,alerts,and we plan. We also work with other groups. Other groups fight with Hitler and Nazi also with Fascism. When the victor emerges from the convoluted labyrinthine complex of dog kill dogs from the mindboggling wars, we will switch sides and take credit for standing up against the vanquished . Not only that we will also portray our currnet enemy or enemies as being influenced by the vanquished . To add more certainty to our claims and confusion to opponent’s position we might simply say something that no one could verify, no one is interested to verify and no way to verify or say something that no one will not challenge because of multiple non consequential importance. But it serves our purpose of inserting hatred anger confusion and easy solution . We make money that way also We are the Zionist.

  370. renfro says:
    @FlintWheel

    ” A minimal study of (not commonly available) history will show that Jewish migrations and infestations follow the true creators in close succession and that they cannot moderate themselves to avoid killing their host.”>>>>

    Absolutely true…..’real’ history doesnt lie. Its been the ‘pattern’ of the tribe for 2000 years….one they are continuing to repeat right now.

    Never Learn.

  371. @Rurik

    Is it not fair to give this event, that not just Jews suffered during, but Poles and Catholics and homos and others, a name? And if this event, (even with the hysterical avalanche of devil’s lies) did happen, then why isn’t it proper to call it the Holocaust?

    That is why Greg Johnson argues that even if the anti-revisionists worst fears are realized – ie the gas chambers are proven to have been an invention – there will still be “Holocaust enough.” That is to say, it would still have been a great tragedy, it will still be worth commemorating, Zionists will still attempt to use it to ward off criticism of their behavior and still use it to prevent whites from defending their racial interests etc. Today the main fear of this “nightmare scenarios” is that it would empower neo-nazis (actual ones, not just people smeared as that), and that, who knows, it may risk another European war. Those are not idle fears, imo.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  372. wayfarer says:

    NWO Rothschild Zionists purchase the politicians, who then design and enforce society’s bogus laws/rules.

    Even this odd-man-out, is able to clearly see through the lies.

    Keep in mind, western religions too are simply an artifact of humanity.

    It’s all just an artificial illusion, in part created by an engineered game of control.

  373. @SolontoCroesus

    “PS Callista Gingrich, wife of Newt, protege of Sheldon, is now US ambassador to Vatican.”

    Thanks for the above information which I as a life-long Byzantine Catholic did not know.

    At about the same time Newt Gingrich became Catholic, so did Tony Blair. Such conversions creep-me-out and then Jeb Bush converted to Catholicism.

    Weird. (Zigh) With such well known & monied Zionist wolves having joined the “flock,” it’s natural for U.S. Catholics to rarely hear peace and anti-war sermons from the pulpit.

    Thank you very much, S2C.

  374. Sam Shama says:
    @renfro

    Israel and the US are the closest of allies, and really, therein lies your frustration. Have you tried speaking to you Congressman about your troubles? Perhaps you need a shrink first. And not to worry, we’ve been studying your sort for far longer than you’ve been reading rot, over at the obscure reaches of the internet, of which we are very aware as well. Run along, fetch!

  375. Art says:
    @Talha

    Kant stated; “The state of peace among men living side by side is not the natural state; the natural state is one of war.”

    Talha,

    My I disagree – that statement is factually untrue. People have lived as local private neighbors for most of human history. Not all people, but most.

    The facts are that it is national tribal governments that have a problem with neighborliness.

    These sweeping statements that belittle humankind do a great disservice.

    The facts are that most of us do not want to see anyone die – let along kill somebody ourselves.

    The key to peace is local ownership by local people of everything local – from stores to governments. Regional control of regional matters must remain regional. The bulk of local ownership must be shared by all – no oligarchs. Big money centers (Wall Street) do not give a damn about local well being – period.

    Peace is a worthy attainable goal. The path to peace is actual local shared ownership of long term organizations and property.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Talha
  376. @Rurik

    I recommend Prosecco.

    Cleanse the palate.

    Don’t just ‘expand the Overton Window’ or niggle at basically inconsequential factoid/memes,
    Smash the Frame.

    Erase everything you think you know; as Francis Bacon would say, Set it at nought.

    Then,
    methodically,
    objectively,
    dispassionately (as in, erase those photos from your mind: they were deliberately planted there — some of them falsified — precisely to distract you emotionally, thereby confusing your critical faculties);

    build a new framework, with appropriate questions and logical, evidence-based answers.

    THEN you will be ready to re-educate the children — but be prepared for confusion and resentment –
    “What should we teach the children?
    “The truth — Otherwise, when they find out the truth, there will be resentment.” – Jeremy Ben Ami

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?301263-1/new-voice-israel

    last 5 min or so

  377. norm741 says:
    @Mulegino1

    Don’t forget Norman Finkelstein

    • Replies: @bjondo
  378. Rurik says:
    @silviosilver

    the gas chambers are proven to have been an invention – there will still be “Holocaust enough.” That is to say, it would still have been a great tragedy, it will still be worth commemorating,

    so what if they want to commemorate their tragedy. Once the hysterical lies about gas chambers becomes widely known, the Holocaust will lose its power to bludgeon humanity with guilt. All those people sent to prison for telling the truth will become martyrs, and the young will look cynically at all the museums and monuments profaning places like our National Mall.

    Today the main fear of this “nightmare scenarios” is that it would empower neo-nazis (actual ones, not just people smeared as that), and that, who knows, it may risk another European war. Those are not idle fears, imo.

    if I got you right, you’re worried that debunking the gas chamber lies of the Holocaust would result in neo-Nazis becoming empowered?

    Well, insofar as those “neo-Nazis’ have been telling the truth about that particular blood libel, perhaps they are entitled to a little redress, at least on that particular score.

    If there is another European war, it will no doubt be foisted by the ((usual suspects)).

    as indeed, it has been these ((cretins)) who’ve actually armed and funded actual neo-Nazis specifically for that purpose.

  379. @Sam Shama

    @ renfro

    Ever notice this weird juxtaposition, renfro: the two men Jews hate the maximum utmost are
    Jesus and Hitler.

    Why do you suppose that is?

    Maybe because those two men Knew about “that sort”; they had their number; and they attempted, through non-violent means, to urge them to reform, Jesus for ~3 years, Hitler for ~6. Jews think they won, because they are still engendering hate, still peddling lies, still using holy places as trading pits, still shaking their fist at god almighty and reminding him that THEY have the good genes, and god OWES them that land –

    quoth Sabbetai Shama ( @281)

    A final word. Ashkenazi Jews are part European. Certainly. So this issue of a timeline to decide who gets to claim primacy of title to a land is ultimately a question of a few things. What have you got in your genes? What have you in capital [human and the green variety] which you have committed to caring the land? Humans groups come and go, the land remains.

    the Prophet hath spoken!

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @renfro
  380. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Berlin October 29, 1929 9:00 AM Herr Samuel Shamastein stated the following:

    We Jews are in control of Germany, therein lies your frustration. Have you tried speaking to you politicians about your troubles? Perhaps you need a shrink first. And not to worry, we’ve been studying your sort for far longer than you’ve been hearing rot over the obscure airwaves, of which we are very aware. Run along, fetch German!

    Think Peace — Art

  381. Clyde says:
    @L.K

    https://www.scribd.com/document/123739968/Did-the-Armenian-Genocide-Inspire-Hitler Did it happen? Hitler’s Armenian quote is undetermined. Up for grabs.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @L.K
  382. @Art

    These sweeping statements that belittle humankind do a great disservice.

    Agree.

  383. @Sam Shama

    The Maven talking down to renfro: “And not to worry, we’ve been studying your sort for far longer than you’ve been reading rot, over at the obscure reaches of the internet, of which we are very aware as well. Run along, fetch!”

    To All:

    Let me present Brother Nathanael’s Real Jew News (below) which will further along awareness of what The Maven really means, above.

    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=515

  384. @L.K

    Thank you , Sir, but who are we to question the Maven?

    I wonder where these guys got the chutzpah to defy so great and learned authority as the jughead, “Kroogman” and his admiring student?

    7A rich man will rule over the poor, and a borrower is a slave to a lender.

    Mishlei Chapter 22

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16393

    I wonder. If debt is good is debt slavery gooder?

  385. renfro says:
    @Sam Shama

    LOL…you have no allies other than the politicians you buy and the whacko evangelicals who insist you convert before doomsday or be french fried if you don’t ..while they await Gods spaceship to descend and fly them to heaven.

    So really you are in a pickle aren’t you…..clowns you have to bribe on one side and whackos who want to fry you on the other side…..and then the vast world majority who finds you disgusting…….,rotflmao

    Your future isn’t very bright.

  386. Talha says:
    @Art

    Hey Art,

    I would actually agree with you to a certain degree (especially since you see this kind of cooperation at the local level quite a bit), but yes, it gets reduced as you climb up the ierarchy and level of organization. The reason I quoted men like Hobbes and Kant is that men like these are the philosophical foundation for the current international order – which is almost entirely a European enterprise in its foundations. Thus quoting from Ibn Khaldun or Sun Tzu may not make the point. And I understand their perspective. It is a European perspective and cannot be unmired from European history which is very, very bloody (possibly more bloody than any other region). Take a look at this map (which is a gps mapping of all known historical battles); Europe lights up like a Christmas tree:

    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen

    That’s not to say people can’t change either – the Swedes and Norwegians are very chill people now, but used to be the scourge of European coastlines as Vikings.

    Peace is a worthy attainable goal.

    My point exactly, but it needs people to buy into it and try to live up to its ideals and keep our respective end of the bargain, even when things aren’t perfect. Simply dismissing it off-hand because it isn’t perfect doesn’t help the situation at all. I am willing to give entities like the UN a chance despite the fact that many big nations use it as a pretext to cause havoc on other nations or dismiss the international court rulings:
    “The International Court of Justice ruled today that the Reagan Administration had broken international law and violated Nicaraguan sovereignty by aiding the anti-Government rebels. The Court, the judicial arm of the United Nations, ordered Washington to halt the ”arming and training” of the insurgents and to pay Nicaragua for damages caused by military attacks, some of which it said had been carried out by the United States itself. The judgment, which was widely expected, came after 26 months of litigation on Nicaragua’s complaint. U.S. Rejects the Verdict.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/28/world/world-court-supports-nicaragua-after-us-rejected-judges-role.html?pagewanted=all

    Peace.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Art
  387. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Hitler’s Armenian quote is undetermined. Up for grabs.

    Hmmm, you seem to approach a quote by Hitler in a forensic way, but you’re willing to repeatedly post a blood-libel of 80 million Hindu deaths based on the rantings on Hindutva-nationalist websites.

    Peace.

  388. renfro says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Jews hate everyone… but hate gentiles and Christians more than any.
    They are true psychopaths in that extreme psychopaths will sometimes destroy themselves in their quest to destroy the ‘other’.

    All anyone has to do is read unbiased real history to see the centuries of the Jewish tribal pattern.….its always been one of stealing from ‘the others’ then crying and running when the others put a stop to them.

    Contrary to the holocaust being bad for the Jews , its the only thing that has given them more time to fleece ‘the others’ by virtue of the holocaust get out of jail free card.

    Moreover the Jews have already ‘depleted the land”..they are ‘short term people’ not long term people. They are commercial middle men, not creators or builders.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  389. bjondo says:
    @norm741

    norm like other jew says many appreciated words
    but
    he is still a gatekeeper like chomsky.
    believes in israel’s/yid’s right to palestinian land.
    does not believe palestinians have the right of return.
    just 2 points.
    also, NF backstabbed prof steven salaita instead of offering support (same with the noam).
    the same sort of support others give NF.

  390. @Talha

    Take a look at this map (which is a gps mapping of all known historical battles); Europe lights up like a Christmas tree:

    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen

    That could well be an artifact of a more complete European historical record or just laziness on the part of the map-makers. If you set the dates on that map as 2500BC to 1000AD, there are only four battles in Egypt and, depending on how you conceptualize India, only some 3 to 7 in the whole of the subcontinent. Does that seem very likely to you?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anon
  391. bjondo says:
    @German_reader

    thought the same thought
    when i saw the jew population in 30s
    had increased by half million in 40s census.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  392. Talha says:
    @silviosilver

    Very good point – but let’s simply cut out anything before say, the 15th century, after which most battles are pretty well recorded. I still don’t see a landmark change, do you?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  393. @ChuckOrloski

    The Maven talking down to renfro: “And not to worry, we’ve been studying your sort for far longer than you’ve been reading rot, over at the obscure reaches of the internet, of which we are very aware as well. Run along, fetch!”

    Sounds like hate speech to me. Anti-goyism even. Could be seen as a threat.

    Yup, glad I quit wasting time on the Mave; most of what he sez is cringe-worthy at best. Can’t reason with him or he throws a tantrum. He must be jealous of us dumb goyim.

  394. @renfro

    All anyone has to do is read unbiased real history to see the centuries of the Jewish tribal pattern.….

    Even some biased histories such as Josephus demonstrate the same thing. Those people, with all their talent, intelligence, arrogance and money never could stand one another even.

    • Replies: @L.K
  395. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    Have you read Indian history ? Pals fighting Chalukya, Chalukya fighting Prathihar, Prtahira fighting Chola ,Chola fighting Sri Lnaka, S India mounting atatck against Maldives,Indonesia, Malyasia, Chola sending military expedition to Cmabodia, Indian Leaders of Cambodia fighting against Thalianad and Northern India burning down Urissa, Urissa fighting against g Harshobardha

    Before talking about Indian experiences in warfare,learn the history .
    Marthi fighting against Sikh Sikh extending kingdom to Kabul . The luist goes on and on temproally and spatially

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @RSDB
  396. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @bjondo

    German_reader Love — bjondo 15

  397. Talha says:
    @anon

    I think that was his point.

    Peace.

  398. RSDB says:
    @anon

    You’ve misunderstood his comment, read it again.

  399. @jacques sheete

    Can’t reason with him [Sam Shama] or he throws a tantrum. He must be jealous of us dumb goyim.

    Sam is good at the all-purpose ad hominem spiced up with a bit of reductio ad absurdum served on a bed of “blood libel/victimhood,” but even when offered a cheat-sheet, Sam is as diligent at refusing to confront actual facts/assertions/claims as Dracula resists sunlight.

    Sam interspersed #83 #90, “Do you know how unhinged you sound?,” and responded with #146: “Have you quite taken leave of your senses?”

    Being the helluva nice guy I am, I offered Sam assistance with sorting out the claims made; Sam replied with a misconstruction of my comment followed by Good Night, which I took to mean he was leaving the Forum, but he didn’t quite.

    After another to- and fro- at #159 and #168, Sam did drop out, which gives the WIN to Yours Truly.

    Sam gets a VG for Bluster, but Zilch for honest Posit – Refute/Concede.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Sam Shama
  400. @jacques sheete

    Hey Jacques,

    The Maven Shama’s life at present is busy, a comfy Pleasure Dome with horseback riding and Rao’s.

    Predict one day both Maven and the ambitious South Koreans (who got Talmuds as gift) will realize how it stinks to be him!

    Lastly, I suggest to take The Maven’s economy-based comments as a learning experience into the Dark Side. His occasional threat-reactions are signs of an idiot who depends upon a Big Daddy Samson to keep his back.

    Thanks, Jacques.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  401. L.K says:
    @Clyde

    It’s just pure BS, just one of MANY FAKE/fraudulent NS quotations we keep hearing.

    Not that a pathetic zionist troll such as yourself cares about facts.

  402. @SolontoCroesus

    After another to- and fro- at #159 and #168, Sam did drop out, which gives the WIN to Yours Truly.

    Of course you win; but it’s not really a fair fight! ;)

  403. @ChuckOrloski

    The Maven Shama’s life at present is busy, a comfy Pleasure Dome with horseback riding and Rao’s.

    Riding? I thought he was into horse breeding! ;)

    I wonder if JC would counsel us to love our neighbor in this case. Of course we all know that there’s always an exception to the rules.

    Did you see Margiolis’ article about the $$$audi prince or whatever? I guess money ain’t everything.

  404. @ChuckOrloski

    We certainly live in interesting times. Free country, indeedy! Maybe this’ll wake up a few more dumb goyim.

    The bill, Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act, maliciously crafted by Lieberman, would also create a new center within Homeland Security, (Talmudic Jew Lieberman at the head), which would implement cyber-security policies.
    Any private company reliant on the Internet, the telephone system, or any other component of the US information infrastructure, will be “subject to command” by the NCCC and be required to engage in “information sharing”with the agency. AND a Jew, that is, a Talmudic Jew, Joe Lieberman, will be the arbiter.

    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=515

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  405. Jacques,

    In the past here at the U.R., The Maven boasted about riding horses with Arabic friends and I started to call him “The Hasbara Cowboy.” As far as “breeding” them, I feel he just likes to watch stud horses do it.

    Yes I read Margolis’s informative article. Regarding the entire line of the Saud royal family wealth, I like what the Jewish Bob Dylan once sang, “All the money you have will never buy back your soul.”

    Thanks, Jacques.

  406. @Talha

    Very good point – but let’s simply cut out anything before say, the 15th century, after which most battles are pretty well recorded. I still don’t see a landmark change, do you?

    Well no, but I wouldn’t necessarily consider it decisive proof of an inherent European warlike nature either – which I think was the reason you first linked to the map.

    Much of the world outside Europe after that time was coming under the sway of one major foreign power or another, which has the effect of limiting local conflict. Europe’s wars were largely the result of having a good three or four major powers located within spitting distance of each other, each vying with the others for local dominance. Then after 1500 the the increasing international dimension also fueled military competition. With all this going on, you could even argue that it would be more surprising not to find as many wars among Europeans.

    Finally, there’s almost no chance we’re ever going to learn anything substantial about the fighting between tribes in the Americas and Africa, the political ramifications of which were too insignificant to interest historians and are really only of interest to anthropologists. These battles will never make it onto one of these maps. From what anthropologists have been able to piece together, apparently these conflicts were, on a per capita basis, far bloodier than anything the Europeans after 1500 managed.

    • Replies: @Talha
  407. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Oh crikey, having just ended a rather hectic day at work, what do I find? A whole round of self-congratulatory backslapping amongst our group of deep scholars and one embittered ne’er do well! I’ll leave you chaps to figure out who’s which.

    What on Earth is there to refute in your lengthy, tiresome posts? Write something interesting, something which has a dog’s whisper of a chance to pique my interest. I am at the moment rather busy with things truly interesting after a prolonged acrid patch. So what have to offer beyond the same dull and repetitious concoctions involving Rabbi Wise, Morgenthau and…I forget…yes Felix Frankfurter and…well it’s unimportant.

    Small piece of advice to you sunsetting warriors. This may be the venue where you vent your frustrations, but planning for the future, particularly for the generations is something I and my like-minded partners do, confident that it’ll carry the day, every day, infinitely better than your pointless whinging.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @peterAUS
  408. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete

    Renfro is correct.

    The Israeli dissident Gilad Atzmon, a man with deep family ties within the Zionist establishment, has more than once in his articles stated that, given the fact Jews have historically had problems in so many different places, maybe instead of looking for some Goyim to blame for their troubles, they should look at themselves in the mirror first. Common sense, really.
    In Europe, from England to Portugal to Sicily to Russia & all in between the Jews have gotten into trouble, have been booted out, etc.

    Why? Are the Goyim really so evil, or are there maybe some problems with Jewish collective behavior?

    In MacDonald’s book “Separation and its Discontents” one can see how some negative Goy perceptions of the elite gypsies go back a long, long time, for instance, to pagan Rome times;

    Perhaps the most famous anti-Jewish writings from the ancient world are those of Tacitus, who viewed Judaism as “opposed to all that is practised by other men” (The History, 5.4, 659).
    Among themselves they are inflexibly honest and ever ready to show compassion, though they regard the rest of mankind with all the hatred of enemies. They sit apart at meals, they sleep apart, and
    though, as a nation, they are singularly prone to lust, they abstain from intercourse with foreign women; among themselves nothing is unlawful.5 Circumcision was adopted by them as a mark of
    difference from other men. Those who come over to their religion adopt the practice, and have this lesson first instilled into them, to despise all gods, to disown their country, and set at naught parents,
    children, and brethren. (The History, 5.5, 659–660)6

    The theme of clannishness also appears in Cicero’s complaint dating from 59 B.C. during the trial of Flaccus: “See how unanimously they stick together, how influential they are in politics”

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  409. @jacques sheete

    Hey Jacques,

    Unfortunately, the dumb goyim “awakening” is (by design) going to be a long & painful one-by-one process.

    (Zigh) Please just for a moment pause to consider how close President Trump came to appointing Joe Lieberman as F.B.I director?

    Thanks!

  410. L.K says:

    Regarding Palestine, Zionist shills and their useful idiots and assorted Muslim haters, try to make the issue about Islam. This is pure BS.

    The issue was and is land theft & ethnic cleansing. The Palestinians could all have been Christians – a minority of them still is – or atheists or whatever… they would still have suffered the same fate.

    The PLO was secular and it did not make any difference; they were still “terrorists”.

    As for terrorism, the Zionists have practiced both non-state as well as state terror, which incidentally, is much more destructive.

    State of Terror

    http://state-of-terror.net/

    https://www.amazon.com/State-Terror-Thomas-Suarez/dp/191107203X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=HVA13RKMB768CH9ZV7BX&dpID=51TNXvvAGML&preST=_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=detail

    Why has the Israel-Palestine ‘conflict’ endured for so long, with no resolution in sight?

    In this meticulously researched book, Thomas Suárez demonstrates that its cause is not the commonly depicted clash between two ethnic groups — Arabs and Jews — but the violent takeover of Palestine by Zionism, a European settler movement hailing from the era of ethnic nationalism.

    Tapping a trove of declassified British documents, much of which has never before been published, the book details a shocking campaign of Zionist terrorism in 1940s and 1950s Palestine that targeted anyone who challenged its messianic settler goals, whether the British government, the indigenous Palestinians, or Jews.

    Today’s seemingly intractable quagmire is that terror campaign’s unfinished business, an Israeli state driven by unrequited territorial designs and the dream of ethnic ‘purity’. The role of Zionist terrorism in establishing the Israeli state and perpetuating today’s conflict is laid bare in Suárez’s groundbreaking narrating of the unbroken historical record.

  411. geokat62 says:

    Grant Smith, speaking at a conference on the U.S. and Israel on March 24th, explained how the broader Israel Lobby uses this legal framework:

    In the year 2012 the nonprofit wing of the Israel lobby raised $3.7 billion in revenue. They are on track to reach $6.3 billion by 2020.

    But, but, Phil… Sam Shama has assured us dumb goyim that “the ‘community’ does not obsess over Israel”:

    The “community” does what most ordinary people do. Work, raise families, vacation in FL, watch the debates etc. Repeat sequence.

    Also most of them really don’t obsess over Israel.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-war-against-the-world/#comment-1400275

    • Replies: @Anon
  412. @SolontoCroesus

    Done. As well as possible anyway.

    Thanks so much for introducing me to this man.

  413. @Sam Shama

    Do you have children, Sam Shama? Are you married?

    I ask, just wondering about the nature of

    but planning for the future, particularly for the generations is something I and my like-minded partners do, confident that it’ll carry the day, every day, infinitely better than your pointless whinging.

  414. peterAUS says:
    @Sam Shama

    This may be the venue where you vent your frustrations, but planning for the future, particularly for the generations is something I and my like-minded partners do, confident that it’ll carry the day, every day, infinitely better than your pointless whinging.

    Well, that does appear to be the most likely scenario.

    At the other hand, human masses are unpredictable, especially in crises.
    Your group, historically, does tend to be focus of….unpleasantness….in such times.
    And, regardless how good you guys are, you are still a tiny minority.

    And, well, due to certain policies in West, plenty of people not liking your group are around you and rising in numbers as we speak.

    In practical terms, say, a scenario: deterioration of state capability to impose law and order in any Western country.
    Muslims there, imported from abroad, radicalized….what would be their preferable target then?
    Just with the usual “gang/street violence” type your group’s life could be difficult.
    Say, muslim “youths” targeting your people.
    Granted, those wealthy enough to live in protected enclaves would be, more or less, untouchable.
    But the rest………

    Escalate into Northern Ireland scenario and your group can have a real problem.
    Escalate that into Balkan scenario and it becomes a nightmare.

    So, bottom line, I’d give your team 60/40 chance of success should such times come, but not more.

    • Replies: @iffen
  415. @Rurik

    Is it not fair to give this event, that not just Jews suffered during, but Poles and Catholics and homos and others, a name? And if this event, (even with the hysterical avalanche of devil’s lies) did happen, then why isn’t it proper to call it the Holocaust?

    You won’t get any arguments from me about how evil WW2 was and the magnitude of innocents who died in it. But that’s not what the sacred “Holocaust” with a capital ‘H’ is about, is it? Nor is it about any other group who died in WW2 besides the jews.

    A skunk by any other name would stink as foul. [apologies to the bard]

    - I am not denying that jews were interred in prison camps by the Nazis
    - I am not denying that large number of jews died in those prison camps (I am asserting that they were not murdered).
    - I am not even disputing the number 6 million and not trying to bicker over whether it was 5 million, or even the 750,000 that the Red Cross reported as having died from Typhus and other diseases.

    No, the entire issue is around whether the Nazis exterminated via mass murder the majority of European Jews in a heinous act of war crime – making the “Holocaust” not just a label on the number of dead in WW2, but as a very specific label on a historic event in which, of the ~9.5 million jews living in Europe in 1933, 6 million were deliberately murdered. I am not even going to go into the violation of the laws of physics that allowed for such a mass murder to occur over the duration of WW2. The Germans are great scientists and engineers, so they may have overcome any constraints that the laws of physics may impose on the rest of us.

    We are not allowed to investigate the veracity of this incredible claim, but nonetheless, large sums have been paid as reparations for this alleged event and nations have been brought to their knees before jewish power. The “Holocaust” is waved as a banner anytime Israel wants to censor criticism of its atrocities, and that, along with pronouncements of antisemitism are used to stifle claims of Jewish control of our media, politics, finances, foreign policy, and siphon our treasure to Israel while spilling the blood of our young in wars for Israel.

    Over 75 years have passed since this alleged event began in 1939. With the exception of some forged documents at Nuremberg, there is no evidence that the Nazis had orders to exterminate Jews. The Germans did wish to ethnically cleanse Germany of the Jews by shipping them off to Palestine and elsewhere, which is certainly a war crime, but nowhere is there evidence (except for tall tales from the likes of liars like Ellie Wiesel), or any credible record supporting this fantastic claim – and yet, the world has been acting as if this is unvarnished truth to the detriment and destruction of us all.

    I contend that the victors of WW2 have rewritten history to demonize the vanquished and beatify the victors. Those who control the narrative of the past, control the present, and by extension, the future. It is, therefore, not an idle exercise to rectify history. Without doing that, we cannot regain the present.

    This is why we are not allowed to investigate the events of WW2, while a jewish media bombards us with their version of what happened.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  416. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    regardless how good you guys are, you are still a tiny minority.

    We’ve got their back, and until recently the only war that we lost had quite a few of our kinfolk fighting for the other side.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @peterAUS
  417. @Cloak And Dagger

    The Germans did wish to ethnically cleanse Germany of the Jews by shipping them off to Palestine and elsewhere, which is certainly a war crime,

    Documents demonstrate unambiguously that Jewish zionist leaders sought to “cleanse Germany of Jews by shipping them off to Palestine and elsewhere”

    –> Louis Brandeis was the most visible Jew in the world in 1933. In the first half of February, 1933, Louis Brandeis directed that
    “all Jews leave Germany . . . all 587,000 Jews must leave, no Jew should remain in Germany.”
    — Autobiography of Rabbi Stephen Wise, “The Challenging Years.”

    –> Vladimir Jabotinsky in Vienna, Sept 09, 1935, reported in Jewish Telegraph Agency:

    http://www.jta.org/1935/09/09/archive/jabotinsky-scores-nazis-as-revisionist-congress-opens

    ” [Revisionist zionism], Jabotinsky asserted, will seek not only to build Palestine, but to liquidate the Diaspora. Declaring that the aim of the organization is “the high Zionism,” [which] does not mean the solution of the Diaspora problem by the mere creation of a model state in Palestine, but by the liquidation of the Diaspora with a return of the Jews to their homeland.

    The Jewish State, he declared, is not the end but only the first step, the second being the return of the people, which will be the solution of the Jewish problem. The third step, he said, will be the final one and will aim at the creation of a national center of culture, radiating its influence all over the world.”

    (Benzion Netanyahu was an early adherent to Revisionist Zionism and worked closely with/for Jabotinsky in USA beginning in 1940:

    “Netanyahu became active in Revisionist Zionism, a movement of people who had split from their mainstream Zionist counterparts, believing those in the mainstream were too conciliatory to the British authorities governing Palestine, and espousing a more militant, right-wing version of Jewish nationalism than the one advocated by the Labour Zionists who led Israel in its early years. The revisionists were led by Jabotinsky, whose belief in the necessity of an “iron wall” between Israel and its Arab neighbors had influenced Israeli politics since the 1930s. . . .
    In 1940, Netanyahu went to New York to be secretary to Jabotinsky, who was seeking to build American support for his militant New Zionists. Jabotinsky died the same year, and Netanyahu became executive director of the New Zionist Organization of America, the political rival of the more moderate Zionist Organization of America. He held the post until 1948.” -wikipedia

    –> Jewish Telegraph Agency reported comments of German Ambassador to US Hans Luther, May 1933: https://www.jta.org/1933/05/26/archive/nazi-jewish-policies-political-not-religious-dr-luther-asserts

    “He asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War. . . .
    Prejudice against the Jews, he said, was due to their tendency toward movements of a communistic nature, and to the fact that nearly fifty percent of the government officails have been Jews, although the total Jewish population was only one percent. He denied emphatically that there had been any “atrocities”.”

    –> This lengthy passage from “Zionism and Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany,” by Francis Nicosia, makes numerous points:
    - that Revisionist Zionists held in contempt & disregard this clause in the Balfour Declaration:
    “. . .it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”
    -that the overarching goal of zionists was to migrate Jews to Palestine, restrictions be damned;
    -that the British in Mandate Palestine were extremely pressured to maintain their promises to Palestine’s indigenous people and found themselves in the middle of Jewish-Arab violence from a very early date;
    -that some, perhaps many, German Jews were not willing to leave Germany;
    -that in the era of Depression and Revolutionary chaos, most nations in Europe were hard-pressed to admit migrant Jews such as the “587,000″ that Brandeis directed “leave Germany.”
    - in the larger context, not emphasized in this passage, were the facts that POLAND was very eager to remove Jews from Poland to the extent that Polish diplomats threatened the British that they would expel Jews if Britain did not agree to admit them (Britain agreed to take in 150,000 if USA would admit the same number).
    The passage:

    “. . .even with valid transit visas, Jews who arrived at Palestinian ports but were refused permission to land by British authorities were then forced to return to the Italian or Yugoslav ports from which they had originally sailed. Italian and Yugoslav authorities began to insist that, as a condition for granting the initial transit visas, those refugees would have to have permission to return to Germany . . .if they were denied entry into Palestine. . . .This problem would be at least partially mitigated by German cooperation with Zionist organizations that smuggled Jewish immigrants into Palestine, past British immigration restrictions . . .
    Almost from the beginning of Zionist settlement in Palestine [in the late] nineteenth century, Jews had settled in Ottoman Palestine legally and illegally. . . .Immigration had remained a source of friction between the Zionist movement and British authorities in Palestine during the Mandate period following the First World War. The Zionists insisted on the right of the Jewish people to unlimited immigration into Palestine, while the British imposed restrictions on Jewish immigration as they sought to be responsive simultaneously to both Arab opinion and to their commitment to the Jewish National Home.

    The following passages deal with the Jewish formation of groups that operated in European cities to shepherd Jews out of Europe:

    “Since the outbreak of the Arab revolt in Palestine in 1936, British authorities had imposed stricter limits on Jewish immigration into Palestine. . . .In 1937, a group of . . . Haganah officials in Palestine created the Mossad le aliyah Bet (Committee for Illegal Immigration) [and] . . .headquartered in Paris, from which to organize in Europe the illegal movement of Jews past the British authorities into Palestine.
    While they were able to operate relatively autonomously in cooperation with local Zionist groups in Eastern Europe, they had little choice but to operate in conjunction with Nazi authorities in the Greater German Reich.
    Mossad agents were assigned to Berlin and Vienna in 1928 with instructions to establish a working relationship with the SD and the Gestapo in order to facilitate the clandestine movement of Jews from central Europe to Palestine. Their tasks included coordinating transports from Greater Germany (mainly from Austria), selecting Jews willing to leave via the illegal route, and generally cooperating with Nazi authorities without whom there could be no movement of Jews, legal or illegal, from Germany to Palestine. Ehud Avriel, former Mossad agent in Vienna, later characterized the attitude of German police authorities in Vienna as follows:

    In pre-war Germany, these operations were neither illegal nor secret. The Gestapo office directly across the street from our own knew exactly where we were and what we were doing. The illegality began only at the shores of Palestine with the British blockade.

    . . .
    Between December 1938 and August 1939, while attending to the matter of the occupational retraining programs in Germany, Pino Ginzburg discovered that German-Jewish organizations, especially the RVe, were fearful of becoming involved in the illegal immigration process. On the other hand, the Austrian Jewish community was generally eager to be involved. . . . In the 1980s, Ginzburg admitted that he had to act independently of the German Zionist movement in establishing a relationship with the Gestapo. He stated that . . . “without these links we could not have acted to save Jews. We had to discover breaches in the Nazi system in order to succeed. He further revealed that

    the Nazis were so eager to get Jews out that any request from him to have people released from Dachau, Buchenwald, or Sachsenhausen would have been granted had he been able to guarantee their removal to Palestine.”

    The last two sentences seem to contradict each other: “we had to find breaches in the Nazi system in order to ‘save’ Jews,” yet “Nazis were so eager to get Jews out that any request would have been granted [even from death camps].

    Nicosia continues:

    “While Ginzburg and his Haganah colleagues found it distasteful to say the least to work with Nazi authorities on the aliyeh bet, he also reiterated that such cooperation under the circumstances was unavoidable and necessary, and that the Nazis were eager participants in the process.
    The . . .Gestapo had been generally receptive to the Mossad’s plans and initiatives from the beginning. At Goring’s conference on the Jewish question on 12 November 1938, following the Kristallnacht pogrom, Heydrich briefly alluded to . . .interest in illegal immigration schemes that had begun in Austria, but he provided no details. Mossad agents in Vienna worked through Wolfgang Karthaus, a high-ranking Austrian Nazi, to secure the cooperation of police authorities and of Gauleiter Josef Burckel. Through them, Yugoslav transit visas were obtained, enabling Austrian Jews to make their way to Palestine via Mossad ships that took on illegal immigrants in Yugoslav ports. Eichmann consistently pressed Mossad agents to move even greater numbers of Jews out of Austria in 1938. . . . In 1939, the SD continued to pressure the Mossad to move larger numbers of Jews out of the Reich, with Heydrich demanding that 400 Jews per week be prepared and sent off from Berlin alone. . . .
    Moreover, the records of the British Foreign Office and the United States Department of State indicate that the British and American governments were aware of the cooperation of German police authorities with the Mossad in the illegal movement of Jews from central Europe to Palestine. “

    Regarding that last sentence, that British & US governments were aware of German assistance to emigrating Jews, it would be interesting to correlate that knowledge with British and US policies for entry of Jews to British and USA at those times.

    It is also important to realize that over those years of “distasteful, to say the least” cooperation between Jewish and German leaders, Jews were boycotting Germany with the goal of destroying Germany’s economy. A small selection from dozens of Boycott Germany articles published by Jewish Telegraph Agency:

    
1. December 24, 1933 “Following Reichsbank President Schacht’s assault on the anti-Nazi boycott, Economics Minister Schmitt predicted a billion-mark drop for the year in Germany’s foreign trade

    2. August 10, 1934 Boycott Crippling Nazi Trade, Envoy Luther Angrily Admits


    3. August 8, 1939 Nazi Economist Admits Boycott Has Hurt Reich Export Trade
    A frank account of Germany’s export difficulties as a result of the boycott the general hostile attitude toward the Reich since 1938 is given by Dr. Rudolf Eicke, director of the Reichsbank, in a revised edition of his book, “Export — A Question of Life and Death for the German Nation.”

    It is reasonable to conclude that:
    a. Movement of Jews out of Germany in WWII era was at the direction and purpose of Jewish Zionists, and also suited German interests;

    b. the ritualized recitation that “Nazis intended to kill every single Jew they could get their hands on,” is blatantly false — ludicrously false as well as shamefully false.
    NO AMERICAN SHOULD ALLOW HIS/HER CHILD TO BE TAUGHT SUCH DECEITFUL INFORMATION.

    c. sanctioning, boycotting, demonizing a nation is, by intention and effect, a prelude to war. Such activities have produced nothing but harmful outcomes in the past; only a deluded–or corrupted– policymaker or decision-maker would believe sanctions could produce positive outcomes in present and future situations of conflict.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  418. Lex says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    I would really like to get you started on bombing of Wieluń.

  419. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Evangelicals? I’m not an expert but is there really that clear a link between you guys and 19th century “evangelical Protestants” like Wilberforce or the Wesleyans? I’m sure there’s a genetic connection but all things considered that’s not much– you know, quite a few of Wilberforce’s children became Catholics anyway…

  420. @Talha

    Fascinating stuff there, Sir!

    Bless you.

    • Replies: @Talha
  421. @renfro

    You Never Learn.

    What’s for the like of that to learn? We dumb goyim should know that they know everything. Yet they’re the eternal victims. Go figure…

  422. @L.K

    Renfro is correct.

    Of course renfro is.

    My comment was meant to reinforce renfro’s views.

    Unbiased history is full of the goods, but what I was saying is that the works of Josephus, though biased, still shed much light on the truth. His Antiquities and Wars of the Jews are worth a read.

    One could read Martin Luther as well and get some great truths and that dude was a bit biased to say the least. Same with Churchill…

  423. @Cloak And Dagger

    My “Agree” button is timed out, but I say that you speak the truth.

    Where do they get 6 million?

    “Allowing for a maximum of 100,000 who succeeded in emigrating from Europe, this would bring the total number of Jews under the direct rule of Nazi Germany to about 3,200,000.”

    Distribution of the Jewish Population of Europe 1933-. 1940,” prepared by Mr. Moses Moskowitz
    AMERICAN JEWISH YEAR BOOK 1941-1942, page 662

    http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1941_1942_9_Statistics.pdf

    Judging by the number of “holocaust survivors” would it be too far fetched to say that the Nazis probably killed exactly no Jews!!!???

    Or did the Nazis manage to kill Jews en masse outside their area of control?

    Also, since it’s well known that Zionists collaborated with Nazis in efforts to “encourage” Jewish migration to Palestine, would it be too far fetched to imagine that said Zionists would blame even their allies, the Nazis, for their own crimes?

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  424. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Unhappily for Agnes Sorel, history will do no such thing.

  425. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    The roots of “antismitism:” http://thesaker.is/a-ziowahabi-attack-on-hezbollah-and-iran/ (comment section)
    “Los Angeles gala raises $53.8 Million for Israeli soldiers: https://israelpalestinenews.org/los-angeles-gala-raises-53-8-million-israeli-soldiers-videos/
    US Treasury blocks relief fundraising to Iran quake victims: http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/11/16/542378/Iran-earthquake-US-Treasury-blocks-donations
    The 2 headlines above speak volumes for those intelligent enough to discern and understand what is happening in the US, and who controls what.
    The US and its interests are totally and completely subordinated to the interests of Israel.
    Americans now need to wake up and accept their vassel status and the humiliation that inevitably comes with it.
    Texas city refuses to give people hurricane aid unless they pledge not to boycott Israel

    https://www.google.com.jm/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-hurricane-aid-dickinson-israel-boycott-pledge-harvey-financial-help-free-speech-a8011141.html%3famp

    By the way, would it surprise you to know that everyone in the US MSM refused to look at the Texas story?
    US citizens who were victims of a natural disaster are told that they will only get assistance if they pledge loyalty to a foreign country, and no US politician dare utter a word about it.”

    The populace is getting some understanding of why the tribe has been expelled from other countries. Remember bolshevism.

  426. Rurik says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    We are not allowed to investigate the veracity of this incredible claim, but nonetheless, large sums have been paid as reparations for this alleged event and nations have been brought to their knees before jewish power. The “Holocaust” is waved as a banner anytime Israel wants to censor criticism of its atrocities, and that, along with pronouncements of antisemitism are used to stifle claims of Jewish control of our media, politics, finances, foreign policy, and siphon our treasure to Israel while spilling the blood of our young in wars for Israel.

    Hey C&D,

    I’m not disputing any of that. I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments you’ve expressed (and those of S2C,) in principle. Yes, the Holocaust narrative has been used as a truncheon to bash Germany in the face for decades now. Putting elegant little old grandmothers in prison for telling the truth about it. Browbeating Germans and everyone else as if this event was of holy significance, when it was all a direct consequence of a war that Jews declared on Germany. Because Germany was freeing itself from the Satanic grip International Jewry had tightly around its throat ever since Versailles.

    And has today, as the spirit of Germany (and the West) is stifled out slowly by the Fiend.

    But, yet the photos of Jews in striped prison garb, the emaciated bodies, the pits full of the dead. The camps are still here. The ‘gas chambers’ were added after the war was over for effect, but that doesn’t mean the camps were faked, they were real.

    Jews were persecuted, and some were shot. The Einzengruppen rounded up communist scum and shot them like dogs, as any communist at the time should have been shot. Many of these communists were Jewish, and many were Poles and others. Germans too!

    All of that is considered the Holocaust. Some of the things that happened during the Holocaust did in fact happen, much of it are hysterical lies. Soap and lampshades, bears and eagles. The lies are compounded by more lies, but that doesn’t mean that no Jews (and others) suffered as a result of that evil war, and of Germany’s attempts to avoid losing it. Indeed, it was probably because the efforts of the German government to treat the subversives under its control with humanity and compassion, was one of the reasons they lost. Irony, eh?

    You didn’t see the allies treating the Germans (and others) with compassion now did we? Solomon Morel [rot in hell] was allowed to live out his life in Israel unmolested by war crimes tribunals and the rope, which he surely deserved.

    And yes, of course there has been the double standard to mock us all, that allows for Jews to commit unspeakable crimes against the Gentiles all day long and twice on Sunday, but heaps mountains of scorn on any Gentile who even speaks of these crimes as an ‘anti-Semite.

    I get all that, and more.

    But this is the thing.. If you go around and state that the Holocaust is a complete hoax, and try to widen the ‘Overton Window’, then what will happen is you’re going to come face to face with the 97% + of the population that has only seen the relentless movies, and read about it all in their text books. (the state I live in requires by law all students from K through 12 to have Holocaust lessons in the classroom each and every year of their schooling).

    There has never been an event that has been so systematically promoted and programmed into the minds (and subconscious’) of people – its holy and sacred significance.

    They’ve even Eisenhower warning against revisionism before the Holocaust even became our state-imposed religion.

    https://teejaw.com/eisenhowers-prediction-some-bastard-will-say-this-never-happened/

    All this is carefully used to instill the narrative. I remember talking to an American WWII vet about the veracity of some of the Holocaust claims, and you should have seen his reaction. Rage, indignation.

    This isn’t just a religion for most people. You can immerse a crucifix of Christ into a bucket of urine, and be heralded as the greatest artist of the decade and the talk of Manhattan, but mention that your grandfather was a guard at Dachau, and that he said there were no gas chambers there, and they’ll put you in prison for telling the simple honest truth.

    I know it’s insane, but it’s the world we live in. And the fact is that Jews and others were in camps and many of them were persecuted and died.

    So the challenge is to educate people (who’ve been indoctrinated and hold on to this narrative as if their souls depended upon it) without alienating them. To nudge them towards the truth, without seeing that look of horror in their eyes when they discover that – OMG, this is one of those Nazis I’ve been warned about!! He hates all Jews and wants there to be another Holocaust!

    That’s the meme that’s been inserted deep into their psyches, and it works.

    So I think we all need to accept that the Holocaust, (how ever you want to define it) did indeed happen, but that it has been exaggerated and lied about so much that we need to deconstruct it, without demanding people agree that ‘it never happened’. Because you’re simply going to get too much resistance with that extreme and polarizing approach. IMHO.

    I don’t spend too much time on the Holocaust. I’d rather look at 9/11 as our method for freeing humanity from the death-grip that the Fiend has on our collective necks.

    It’s the exact same forces in the world (the Fiend ; ) who murdered the Romanovs, plunged Russia into a hell on earth, and caused the Allies to betray Germany in WWI. The same forces who foisted WWII upon the world, and caused some 60 million men, women and children to perish, often in the most sadistic ways imaginable. The same Fiend who marched his Red Army orcs across Eastern Europe and Germany, wholesale raping and butchering every woman and girl it could get its sub-human hands on.

    It’s all the same Fiend. And it was this Fiend who perpetrated 9/11, in order to create the kind of horrors and misery in this century that it created and perpetrated in the last one.

    It is beyond demonic and it hates and plots murder and genocide like something literally out of the netherworld slime.

    If concentrating on Holocaust revisionism is the best way to expose the Beast, then God speed to you sir, and all the other truth-tellers.

    But I just sense, that with the Internet and our ability to spread the truth, and becase all the perpetrators of 9/11 are all still here with us, including victim’s loved ones, who watched their fathers and mothers and sisters and brothers and husbands and wives… all of them, die horribly in those fire balls and the collapse of those towers, all very carefully planned and calculated for maximum deaths…

    I just think that if we could shine a big enough light on that crime, and the avalanche of lies we’ve all heard about it all, and the war crimes and atrocities and loss of our constitutional freedoms… that are a direct consequence of that unprecedented act of ‘Jewish lightning’..

    then perhaps we can help to prevent another century of horrors and lies and treachery and suffering and evils unprecedented.. straight out of the black damnation of the Fiend and his psychopathological mythos; Zionism.

    That’s my take on it all.

    And why I still capitalize the Holocaust, and admit that something did indeed happen, even if most of it was devil’s lies.

  427. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    No problem JS,

    Now keep in mind – since I have to be honest about this; I don’t really have solid proof his dog killed 200 million Hindus – so it could have been 250 million.

    Peace.

  428. Talha says:
    @silviosilver

    Hey silviosilver,

    which I think was the reason you first linked to the map

    No – that would be too crude a conclusion. Europeans are varied people; some were certainly warlike and other Europeans wrote about them. Hadrian built his wall for a reason. And they changed over time too.

    I was saying that European history is just very bloody, and that could be due to a myriad of reasons. Some like you pointed out as well as other things like – well the Reformation happened in Europe and that was a breakdown of central Church authority, could also be because of resources, could also be because terrain lends itself for war (as opposed to large tracts of deserts, for instance).

    which has the effect of limiting local conflict

    Agreed.

    Europe’s wars were largely the result of having a good three or four major powers located within spitting distance of each other, each vying with the others for local dominance.

    I think this is likely the key. Every once in a while there is a continent wide pile-on that involves almost everyone except for those in the peripheries, though they sometimes barge in as well.

    you could even argue that it would be more surprising not to find as many wars among Europeans

    Possibly.

    apparently these conflicts were, on a per capita basis, far bloodier than anything the Europeans after 1500 managed

    I agree here – Steven Pinker wrote a book on violence and gave an excellent talk about its historical decline:

    https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence

    I believe he labels the Central Asian/Steppe Nomads to be the ones to perfect “high throughput massacre” violence. China has also been a very violent place – some estimate a near 66% decline in population during the period of the Three Kingdoms.

    My point was that men like Hobbes and Kant were writing with a particular history in mind – both these men lived during continent-wide conflicts (3o Years War and 7 Years War, respectively). And the Napoleonic Wars kicked off practically right after Kant died.

    Peace.

  429. anarchyst says:
    @Rurik

    It takes from 75 to 100 years for propaganda to finally be exposed for what it is–utter BS used to push a particular point of view, and to demonize one’s (former) enemy.
    To this day, Germany is still demonized by the “holocaust ™”, even though the “unpeeling of the holocaust ™ onion” is finally getting results-revealing the REAL TRUTH–that 98% of this historical event is based on lies, fabrications, and the desire for the promoters to “remain on top”, both financially and politically.
    Yes, jews were “rounded up” and deported, as they were considered “enemies of the state” by zionist jewish actions (actually acts of war), but were considered valuable commodities to be used in the war effort. The Zionists, along with agreements and plans put forth both by themselves and the German government sought to make life “uncomfortable” for German jews, “encouraging them to emigrate to what was then known as Palestine. This tactic was brilliant, as, once again, the zionists manipulated the German government into “giving the zionist jews what they wanted”–a source for jews who would populate the state of Palestine.
    As to the “camps”, if extermination was the goal, why equip them with all kinds of ancillary facilities–barracks, mess halls, medical facilities, recreation activities and facilities–swimming pools, playgrounds and sports facilities?
    It takes future generations who are dispassionate about seeking TRUTH without having an axe to grind, to finally seek out and expose TRUTH.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @Rurik
  430. @SolontoCroesus

    Yes, you are right. It was inaccurate of me to say that the Nazis performed the war crime of ethnic cleansing. As you have documented with your ever-excellent research, it was the Zionists who wanted to move Jews out of Germany to Palestine, and the Nazis were happy with that ‘final solution’. This does not constitute a war crime.

    Thank you for your continued scholarship.

  431. @Rurik

    If I may be so bold as to summarize your treatise:

    - Jews were rounded up and put into prison camps
    - There were atrocities perpetrated on some of the prisoners
    - Communists persecuted and killed Jews
    - Mass graves were found [ I contend from typhus ]
    - There are photos of emaciated prisoners
    - The Holocaust narrative has been used to perpetrate other crimes

    You then propose:

    - Calling the Holocaust a hoax is self-defeating
    - It is a challenge to educate people without alienating them
    - We should focus on 9/11 and other crimes instead of the Holocaust

    Was I accurate in my synopsis?

    You may be right, and we may alienate people by our revisionist approach to the Holocaust (fine, I will call it that). But, before you can educate the people, we must educate the educators. After that, we can strategize on how to wake up the masses in a non-alienating way.

    75+ years have passed and those who were alive in those days are dead or dying, along with their memories, and the lies of those you call ‘Fiend’ are becoming fact. We have to restore history to what really happened (and scholars like S2C do us a great service by collecting documentation to do that). As memory fades, demons become saints, and re-education of the masses becomes impossible.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Anon
    , @Art
  432. Rurik says:
    @anarchyst

    As to the “camps”, if extermination was the goal, why equip them with all kinds of ancillary facilities–barracks, mess halls, medical facilities, recreation activities and facilities–swimming pools, playgrounds and sports facilities?

    as I noted, the camps were for forced labor and to contain a hostile population during war time.

    I’m the last person suggesting the lies about gas chambers and genocide were true. But I just don’t know if saying that there was no intention to genocide the Jews, = means there was no Holocaust.

    or whether or not the lack of gas chambers and the ‘final solution, = the whole thing was a hoax

    it’s sort of like 9/11

    a lot of people call it a hoax, (as do I), but it nevertheless happened, you see?

    sure, it’s all based on lies and used as a weapon to slaughter even more innocent people, but the fact is that those plane did crash into those towers and the towers came down and thousands of people died. That is all very real, and is part of our national narrative when we talk about 9/11

    but does the fact that we’re all lied to about who did it, mean that it didn’t happen?

  433. Rurik says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Was I accurate in my synopsis?

    somewhat

    and I agree with what you’re saying, and of course also agree about S2C’s valuable and often fascinating scholarship.

    But if you claim, ‘there was no Holocaust, and it was all a hoax, then yes, you’re going to seriously alienate many people.

    I’ll put it this way. I suspect the website Rense.com has some very valuable information it researches and publishes and links to.

    http://www.rense.com/

    But I also suspect that when they go a little too ‘out there’ with the ‘aliens and lizards and such, that they’re perhaps losing a lot of otherwise curious people.

    I suspect that the same thing happens when we’re too reactionary with regards to some of our terminology.

    Perhaps.

    I’ll have to get back to this because I have to go. But I suspect we’re all looking at the same goal, just not agreeing perhaps on the best way to get there.

    regards..

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  434. @Rurik

    But I suspect we’re all looking at the same goal, just not agreeing perhaps on the best way to get there.

    Fair enough.

    http://www.rense.com/

    But I also suspect that when they go a little too ‘out there’ with the ‘aliens and lizards and such, that they’re perhaps losing a lot of otherwise curious people.

    I am convinced that rense.com is a disinfo site that is there to deliberately muddy the waters and further reinforce the semantics of “conspiracy theorists” as kooks with tin foil hats.

  435. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    “…Communists persecuted and killed Jews…”
    The world is still unaware of the numbers of Russia’s citizens persecuted and killed by the Jews during the Bolshevik revolution and ensuing civil war. For example, the horrific Holodomor in Ukraine was conducted by Lazar Kaganovich, “The Wolf of the Kremlin,” an exemplary sadist who lived comfortably into old age (despite the loud squealing by the “chosen” about Russian atisemitism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
    “Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (1893 – 1991) was born to Jewish parents… He was a Soviet politician and administrator and one of the main associates of Joseph Stalin. He is known for helping Stalin seize power, for his role in the Soviet famine of 1932-33 in Ukraine, and for his harsh treatment and execution of those deemed threats to Stalin’s regime. …
    Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine (known as the Holodomor in Ukraine). Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the Northern Caucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against the Kulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization. Attorney Rafael Lemkin in his work The Soviet Genocide in Ukraine tried to present the fact of Holodomor to the Nuremberg trials as a genocide of a totalitarian regime. …
    On 13 January 2010 Kiev Appellate Court posthumously found Kaganovich and other Soviet Communist Party functionaries guilty of genocide against Ukrainians during the catastrophic Holodomor famine”

  436. peterAUS says:
    @iffen

    We’ve got their back, and until recently the only war that we lost had quite a few of our kinfolk fighting for the other side.

    I was thinking about US/Europe environment, not Israel.

    Those are, personal/group security wise, different environments.

    Israel is, by all practical standards, an apartheid state.
    South Africa was that once upon a time…..
    No intention to get into…ahm….debate..about Israel here.
    Not that the topic wouldn’t be interesting, but it wouldn’t be about the topic but certain…needs…of some people around here.

    My point was “tribe” members individual security and safety in US/Europe, and, yes, Australia, in view of uncontrolled immigration and loss of state’s capability to maintain law and order in a society.
    In essence, a schizophrenic approach to law and order.
    At one hand strengthening surveillance/police state.
    At the other hand erosion of society, plus, imposing “special rights” for certain minorities.

    In practical terms, heavy handling of minor criminal cases vs “no go” zones in major cities, for example.

    Also, in practical terms, radicalizing of Muslim communities with having individual Jews quite vulnerable to attacks/assaults. Not Jews in positions of power, but “little guys” living among the rest of populace.

    Say, a group of radicalized Muslim “youth” can’t touch a Jew living in high class neighborhood.
    But, can do quite a damage to an office employee living in average suburbia.

    We all know that Jews rule the world and they are perfectly organized and cohesive……
    That, somehow, must’ve missed the guy I came across recently. A recent immigrant from Israel, unhappy about how things have been going over there for him and his family, and trying to start a new live in “my” place.
    Found a job in a customer service, and, at the same time, enrolled in some Uni courses. No…I repeat….no help whatsoever from his “tribe”. Actually, the only person who helped him with some advice, apparently, was me. Asked him about that, like: aren’t you guys tight, helping each other? His answer would be surprising to hear by “Jew world conspiracy” people…….
    Such types would be perfect target for Muslim “youth”.
    Makes you think.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  437. @jacques sheete

    You be the judge, if you have the time to view this in its entirety.

  438. @Rurik

    But, yet the photos of Jews in striped prison garb, the emaciated bodies, the pits full of the dead.

    It’s possible that such photos may have been “mislabeled.”

  439. Hey geokat62,

    Below I link Bannon woos the Jews especially thinking of you!

    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1248

    • Replies: @geokat62
  440. @peterAUS

    We all know that Jews rule the world and they are perfectly organized and cohesive……
    That, somehow, must’ve missed the guy I came across recently. A recent immigrant from Israel…

    Great story and I couldn’t agree more.

    The big time money bags in Israel probably don’t give any more of a damn about Jews outside their “class” than any other money bag group cares about “their own.”

    What’s sad to see is how strongly some of the insignificant Zionist sympathizers still go to bat for the big boys with no apparent clue as to how they’re hurting their own cause. It’s also beyond sad that good guys such as Atzmon and many many others take so much heat from the same clueless crew.

    I know several Jewish owners of small businesses and they are good guys. They all have virtually the same laments as the goyim small business owners.

    The Tanakh is full of advice on how to avoid being their victim, yet the cycles repeat, and doubtless always shall.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  441. peterAUS says:
    @jacques sheete

    The big time money bags in Israel probably don’t give any more of a damn about Jews outside their “class” than any other money bag group cares about “their own.”

    Agree.

    What’s sad to see is how strongly some of the insignificant Zionist sympathizers still go to bat for the big boys with no apparent clue as to how they’re hurting their own cause. It’s also beyond sad that good guys such as Atzmon and many many others take so much heat from the same clueless crew.

    Agree.
    Applies to everyone.
    Even, horror…..”little guys” whites….I guess.
    Like thinking that white super-rich are on their side and Jewish “little guys” are mortal enemies.
    We whites…..versus “them”. We, the good guys. Them, bad guys.
    Simple, feels so good.

    As for:

    I know several Jewish owners of small businesses and they are good guys. They all have virtually the same laments as the goyim small business owners.

    That just complicates the thing. Hurts the brain.
    The message has to be simple: all Jews bad. All whites good.

    Which reinforces the Jewish fear. Which makes them sticking to each other no matter what. Which then proves that all of them are bad. Which……
    And the show goes on.

  442. Art says:
    @Talha

    It is a European perspective and cannot be unmired from European history which is very, very bloody (possibly more bloody than any other region). Take a look at this map (which is a gps mapping of all known historical battles); Europe lights up like a Christmas tree:

    Talha,

    The first 1,000 years of Christianity after Rome settled down, were called the Dark Ages. The reason for this was that they were relatively peaceful. There were relatively few major internal wars. In those times, Europe was moderately and comparatively peaceful. Early Christianity brought some stability to Europe.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. The Catholic Church appropriated Greek science to forcefully back up its religious dogma and claims. At that time, the Church was the pinnacle of knowledge. The telescope changed all that.

  443. And the show goes on.

    Ah, but those with the high IQs are no doubt here to solve our problems and someday some moneybags will come along to save us! ;)

    • Replies: @Art
  444. peterAUS says:

    Ah, but those with the high IQs are no doubt here to solve our problems

    Yes, of course.

    Firstly, though, they’ll convince the rest of us (average guys, that is) that they are so smarter than us.
    Then, they’ll bicker a bit among themselves to feed their egos and establish their own pecking order.

    Then, having established themselves as leadership and putting the rest in their proper place they’ll further feed their egos and weed out possible dissenters from below.
    Make a proper….“community”.
    They on top, naturally.

    And, then, as

    someday some moneybags will come along to save us!

    they’ll sell the “community” to the moneybags.
    For a fee of course.

    So, when one thinks about it….they do solve their problems.
    Not ours but that’s the game isn’t it?
    Has been since Babylon.

    But this time it will be different.
    Sure it will.

  445. Art says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Cloak and Dagger,

    If I may – my 2 cents on WWII and Jews.

    I try, to never use the word “holocaust.” Propaganda works. That word is a winner for the Jews – they have millions and millions of times fed our brains with a “part-truth”, that is really a big lie. Clearly, “Six Million” is a lie. And clearly, it has been used to do more wrong. I try to substitute with “the Six Million lie.” People can get that, they can believe that without reservation.

    The Jews love talking about WWII. After 60 years of propaganda, that part-truth is a ready winner for them. Most all the Jew comments on this site lead to WWII. It is very difficult for a person with a high moral quotient (MQ) to explain away the roundup of innocent Jews.

    Every comment about Jews should have a sentence in it the demands Jew accountability for their malicious foul vile current day activities. Every comment should reinforce the factual notion that Jews culturally have a very low MQ (moral quotient).

    Think Peace — Art

  446. Art says:
    @jacques sheete

    Ah, but those with the high IQs are no doubt here to solve our problems and someday some moneybags will come along to save us! ;)

    Sadly when it comes to the Jews – those with the high IQ’s have inverse MQ’s (moral quotients).

    Think Peace — Art

  447. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Below I link Bannon woos the Jews…

    Hey, Chuck. Thanks for sharing. I must say, although I initially questioned Brother Nathanael’s veracity, I am now convinced he is the real deal… a veritable truth-teller.

    My favourites were these two quotes by Steve Bannon, who was addressing the Zionist Organization of America:

    1. We knew with our data that Donald J Trump, the strongest supporter of Israel since Ronald Reagan, was going to be the President of the United States.” [Applause!]

    Now I know why Mr. Maven was so keen on Trump being elected Pres.

    2. “That victory would not have come without one other person besides Donald Trump, Sheldon Adelson.” [Applause!]

    This quote should put to rest Incitatus’ claims about The Lobby not being virtually omnipotent.

    P.S. Here’s a transcript of the video for those who prefer the written word:

    [MORE]

    Truth is stranger than fiction.

    But when ’strange’ blood enters the Jewish anatomy, truth takes a dive.

    That’s what happened when Steve Bannon spoke at the Zionist Organization of America’s Gala dinner Sunday night.

    Bannon may be a ’stranger’ to the Jewish tribe, but he spoke like a native son.

    [Clip: “We knew with our data that Donald J Trump, the strongest supporter of Israel since Ronald Reagan, was going to be the President of the United States.” Applause!]

    Oh, that beloved buzz word, “Israel,” that puts Jewish money in suck-up places.

    [Clip: “That victory would not have come without one other person besides Donald Trump, Sheldon Adelson.” Applause! “It is not about resources.”]

    It’s all about ‘resources,’ Adelson’s Jewish bucks that Gentile hacks come begging for.

    And Bannon knows what side his own bagel is cream-cheesed on.

    His site, Breitbart News, is sheer controlled-opposition: “Born in the USA, Conceived in Israel.”

    Adopted and raised as a Jew, Andrew Breitbart and his Jewish friend, Larry Solov—now CEO of Breitbart—took a trip to Israel in 2007.

    With Bibzy’s ‘blessing,’ they conceived of a site for “combat journalism” that would be “unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel,” a strange brew.

    The only thing ‘free’ about Israel is having its agents in Jewmerica shut the mouths of critics with a ‘free’ hand.

    In 2015, with Bannon on board, and Joel Pollak as editor-in-chief, Solov launched Breitbart Jerusalem.

    “The journey comes full circle and a promise between two friends is fulfilled,” Solov squawked.

    That’s not ‘controlled opposition,’ that’s obedience to the prime Jewish regime.

    It’s a Jew operation, they always play both sides.

    And Bannon spins his hustle ‘Jewy-Side-Up.’

    [Clip: “If I can say one thing about ZOA and about the work that Mort Klein and everybody does in Washington…”]

    …like bribing and blackmailing hacks on Capitol Hill…

    [Clip: “…is you’re unapologetic about your defense of the State of Israel.” Applause!]

    Of course they’re unapologetic.

    Money forked out to hacks for the “defense of Israel” covers a multitude of sins.

    [Clip: “We have a long dark valley to go through, folks. Iran, Turkey, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood. The Middle East right now is on the knife’s edge. It’s going to take strong leadership.”]

    And more bombs, more bloodshed, a ‘long dark valley,’ all for the “defense of Israel,” a never-ending scam.

    It’s not the Russians, it’s not RT.com, the biggest scammers are election-meddling Jewish lobbies— agents of a foreign nation—like the ZOA, AIPAC, and Adelson’s own Israeli-American Council, that milk the Gentiles to pay for the high crimes of the Jewish State.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Incitatus
  448. @Rurik

    The term “denier” and it’s variations, when used as an epithet or distraction from discussing WWII must be politely but consistently and firmly challenged every time simply by saying and repeating whenever required, “Real historians use the word REVISION!” Denial implies irrefutable and not open to challenge.

    I was a little disappointed that you wrote this, “as any communist at the time should have been shot” since no man deserves to be shot purely because of his beliefs, possibly for his actions yes, but many patriotic Americans of the past attempted to establish communes and many did so without them harming anybody nor violating the laws of American society. We can debate the faults of communism based on the ways it was practiced in actual history but those who seek to find new ways to build good, prosperous and fairer communities to contribute to a better society, should they really be shot too?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  449. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Nutinyahoo, God will burn all evil forever. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, synagogue of Satan.
    Then there is the true puppet master, the Black Pope with his Jesuit army.

  450. @Rurik

    It surprises me that you can be levelheaded about holocaust rev but then recommend 9/11 conspiracy theory on the astonishing basis that it’s an easier sell.

    I have grave doubts about that, to say the least!

    Firstly, I am not a believer in 9/11 conspiracy theory. I’m open to the possibility, but I just don’t find the arguments and evidence convincing.

    Secondly, a great advantage of holocaust rev is that it’s much easier to advance the claim that exaggerations are made about the extent and/or method of killing. It’s fairly straightforward to convince an audience willing to listen that this is the case. It’s not necessary to have anyone believe “the whole thing was a hoax” in order to get them to see how it is today wielded largely as an anti-white and anti-Palestinian political weapon. You only need to cast a slight doubt on the official narrative, and then quickly switch gears to making the (far more important) political argument.

    How can you do this with 9/11? It’s all-or-nothing. Either it’s a conspiracy or it’s not. I don’t think you can convince anyone that it’s “a bit of a conspiracy,” so you’re left having to convince them of the whole thing before you can start talking about its political implications. That seems like a pretty tall order.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Rurik
    , @Art
  451. anon • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article185340393.html

    US puts Palestinians on notice: DC office may be shuttered

    WASHINGTON
    The Trump administration put the Palestinians on notice Friday that it will shutter their office in Washington unless they’ve entered serious peace talks with Israel, U.S. officials said, potentially giving President Donald Trump more leverage as he seeks an elusive Mideast peace deal.

    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has determined that the Palestinians ran afoul of an obscure provision in a U.S. law that says the Palestine Liberation Organization’s mission must close if the Palestinians try to get the International Criminal Court to prosecute Israelis for crimes against Palestinians. A State Department official said that in September, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas crossed that line by calling on the ICC to investigate and prosecute Israelis.

  452. @geokat62

    Geokat62,

    I am very pleased that you mentioned having concerns about Brother Nathanael’s “veracity.” Objectivity is vital and of course the former actor-President Reagan’s “Trust but verify” is sound practice.

    (Zigh) Sad how Mikhail Gorbachev trusted the U.S. vow to not further expand NATO eastward?

    Return to point: When I first tuned into Real Jew News, I admit to having a problem with Nathanael’s authenticity given his garb and rather comical style of speaking. I am over that now.

    Finally, given your having provided the transcipt of the powerful video, I now have hope Rurik may read it. A conscientious & intelligent U.R. commenter, I feel Rurik’s honorable expectations for Bannon’s student, President “Bonespur,” will further downsize.

    Thank you very much!

    • Replies: @ANONYMOUS
    , @geokat62
  453. ANONYMOUS • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    honorable expectations for Bannon’s student, President “Bonespur,”

    not sure at all why Bannon is viewed as anything other than someone who figured out how to get enough votes in the right places to win Electoral College.

    On foreign policy he is appalling.

    At Values Voters summit, Bannon out pandered the most pandering of AIPAC-ish panderers.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  454. @silviosilver

    Hi Ho Silviosilver,w

    The greatest conspiracy theory, high crime coverup “narrative,” can be found in P. Zelikow’s (official) 9/11 Commission Report.

    Zelikow’s official report deception even surpassed the documented flaws inherent to that of the Warren Commission!

    I recall how important it was for J. Edgar Hoover to have the American public believe that JFK was killed by the “collared” lone gunman. Silviosilver, just think for a moment on how important it was for G.W. Bush administration FBI director to make certain that the public was convinced that 19 Arabs with box cutters took the Twin Towers down with (uh, WMD) boxcutters?

    Selah Neil Diamond: “Pour me a drink & I’ll tell you some lies.”

  455. Rurik says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Hey Duke,

    “Real historians use the word REVISION!”

    no argument here

    in fact it seems obvious to me that anyone using the absurd pejorative ‘denier’, is being patently and prima facie dishonest. No different than the shitlibs and liars calling anyone who has questions, doubts or skepticism about human-caused Global Warming – a denier.

    In both cases the word is used to demonize the person and thereby shut down any discussion.

    I was a little disappointed that you wrote this, “as any communist at the time should have been shot” since no man deserves to be shot purely because of his beliefs

    that’s not exactly accurate Duke. What I said was that commies were shot like dogs, and I only wish I had said ‘shot like mangy, rabid dogs. (as I’m a big dog lover and would never harm one unless it was a dire threat).

    I emboldened the words that make the distinction between a peaceable hippy-type full to the brim with love and compassion for his fellow man and wanting to spread wealth around so that the world is a better place, vs the commies – “at the time” = rabid dogs who were a deadly threat (to say the least!).

    WWII was nothing if not a war between a free and healthy Europe vs. the maniacally genocidal Bolsheviks, hell-bent on slaughtering (in the most horrific way possible) the best of the Gentiles, and enslaving the rest under their boot. A war between the forces of justice and peace and freedom that were forced into a militant mode (Nazis, others) in order to prevent the murderous hoards of commies from descending down upon them and giving them the Kulak / Katyn treatment.

    If only someone would have been able to cut Lazar Kaganovich’s throat wide open, so that the vile putrescence oozing through his rabid veins would have pumped out on to the dirt. What a heavenly, (if gory) thing that would have been! Perhaps better yet, just a bullet though his commie pelt, a nice clean end to a demon.

    And he wasn’t the only one, no sir! There were lots and lots of commie psychopaths killing everything of beauty and ability under their cruel and sadistic domination. Nothing hippy or loving about this lot, oh fuck no!

    Bela Kun, Joseph Stalin, Mao, all the way to the Khmer Rouge. Communists that enslaved and butchered the best of their citizens, not because of any privilege they enjoyed, but because they were people of ability, who tweaked something dark and murderous in the reptilian depths of the human id. Envy.

    And Duke, make no mistake, when the commies of this century (Antifa/BLM/SPLC/ADL/PNAC) are ascendant, they’ll be hardly distinguishable from the commies of the last. IOW it won’t be about redistributing wealth from the 1% to everyone else, rather it will be about a deep and visceral race-hatred (born of race-envy), and setting things right as they see it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  456. @ANONYMOUS

    Hey Anonymous,

    As you know, it does not matter at all what American voters value.

    Prior to even the Electoral College final judgement, even President Bonespur fussed up (in public) and explained how POTZUSA elections are “rigged.”

    You are intelligent and most importantly, aware. Please take another look at the Brother Nathanael video clip on Bannon. He displays Bannon’s value to elite Jews.

    Thanks very much!

    P.S.: I tried but failed to identify Hollywood stars in the picture that corresponds to this article by P. Giraldi.

  457. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    A war between the forces of justice and peace and freedom that were forced into a militant mode (Nazis, others) in order to prevent the murderous hoards of commies from descending down upon them and giving them the Kulak / Katyn treatment.

    Ah, that explains the Nazi-Soviet pact, then.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  458. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I feel Rurik’s honorable expectations for Bannon’s student, President “Bonespur,” will further downsize.

    I should have also included this quote by Bannon. It provides the plebes with a window into what direction DJT may be taking the country, regarding ME policy:

    “We have a long dark valley to go through, folks. Iran, Turkey, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood. The Middle East right now is on the knife’s edge. It’s going to take strong leadership.

    Strong leadership, indeed.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  459. @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck, please, please take it back.
    Neil Diamond makes me upchuck my donut holes.

    “Sweeet Carol o line … bum bum bum …”

    sheesh that man has lived long past his shelf life.

    make it stop.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @helena
  460. Rurik says:
    @silviosilver

    It surprises me that you can be levelheaded about holocaust rev but then recommend 9/11 conspiracy theory on the astonishing basis that it’s an easier sell.

    for one thing, the fact that we’ve been lied to about 9/11 is so ragingly obvious, that you’d have to have deliberately avoided any skepticism in order to not see the glairing and brutally obvious evidence that they lied about it.

    Have you ever heard of building seven?

    If not, then I can’t imagine what you’re doing here at the Unz Review, where this issue has been discussed at length. And the avalanche of lies exposed as perhaps the most preposterous conspiracy theory ever. That a 6′ 5″ guy (on dialysis) in a cave in the Himalayan foothills shut down NORAD and SAC using his laptop. And then disintegrated three steel frame modern skyscrapers with two planes.

    Do you also believe that SEAL team six killed him and buried his body at sea in a secret ceremony with zero witnesses or any evidence that any of it happened, except for a fake ‘situation room’ photo?

    I know there are a lot of people who still cling to the absurd (and idiotic) narrative, but they’re usually Fox News or MSNBC-watching zombies. Not Unz Review readers.

    Firstly, I am not a believer in 9/11 conspiracy theory. I’m open to the possibility, but I just don’t find the arguments and evidence convincing

    .
    “Evidence”?

    Like I said, have you even heard of building seven?

    It’s fairly straightforward to convince an audience willing to listen that this [Holocaust lies/exaggerations] is the case.

    I don’t think so.

    Because the second you bring it up, they’ve been programed like Pavlov’s dogs to look at you with a jaundiced eye. Any doubt about the Holocaust (or 9/11 or Global Warming) and you’re immediately considered a dangerous whack-job or worse; a Nazi. (or tinfoil hat wearing crazed right-wing psycho likely to be the next ‘shooter’, and to be avoided at all costs ; )

    (it isn’t called television programming for nothing ; )

    You only need to cast a slight doubt on the official narrative, and then quickly switch gears to making the (far more important) political argument.

    the Holocaust is a religion my friend. Casting doubt about the holy gas chambers is like saying ‘it wasn’t a virgin birth’, but all the rest of it rings true.

    You’re just not going to get anywhere, as long as people are vested in the Holocaust dogma with such powerful emotional (religious-like) attachment.

    There’s a reason they teach about it when we’re all children. They show you those grainy videos of the bodies and emaciated prisoners, like you’re Alex strapped in the chair, and watching the Nazis marching and all the ultra-violence, as you’re systematically being programmed.

    have you ever tried to un-program a die-hard liberal?

    that for instance the ‘science’ about Climate Change is not “settled”?

    or that blacks are over-represented in the prisons because they’re congenitally more primitive and violent?

    or any of the shibboleths they cling to like a kiddie’s blankey for protection and comfort from hurtful truths.

    You can’t reason with them, since it’s all emotional and wrought with good vs. evil platitudes that infest their world view.

  461. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    Gentlemen, Geo and Chuck,

    The main reason I (still, putatively) support Trump is because he isn’t the cackling gorgon war sow.

    And so far has not started a war with Iran or Russia or given a blank check to the neo-Nazi goons in Ukraine (ironically and pathetically talking their orders from the Kagan cabal and other vile Zionist Jews like Kolomoisky)

    He’s allowed Assad and Putin to prevail against Obama’s orcs, and allowed for hope in that shattered part of the world.

    There is a lot of saber-rattling going on, and it’s nerve racking to listen to it, but so long as it remains only posturing, then I’m OK with it.

    perhaps my biggest reason for being sanguine about Trump (so far) is the hysterical hatred coming from certain quarters, like from neocons like Max Boot, and other seriously loathsome assholes.

    the more he pisses them off, the more comforted I am

    time will tell, and yes, the whole administration seems to lick Bibi’s umm, hand, like they like the taste of Palestinian blood.

    It’s revolting, but still, just imagine! what it’d be like under the war hag.

    >>shudder<<

    • Replies: @chris
    , @Art
    , @ChuckOrloski
  462. Rurik says:
    @Anon

    explains the Nazi-Soviet pact,

    could have been avoided with a corridor

    but then without hubris, (on the part of Nazis and Soviets and of course Polish Colonels), perhaps the world could have avoided that evil war.

    first off, yes, I consider the Nazis to have been a reaction to the genocidal evil of the Bolsheviks, perhaps most personified by their handiwork the Holodomor

    but I certainly am not an apologist for Nazi arrogance or uber-racism. I feel the Nazis became too enthralled with their own successes, and over-played their hand to the cost of millions of Germans and others, who suffered unimaginably.

    it was a beyond-tragic affair, and my main point in this world is that I don’t want to see humanity repeat it all again in this century.

    And as the ZUS becomes more and more divided, it isn’t just wars in the Middle East and Europe / Russia that are brimming, but also a conflict between the forces of good (the rule of law) and evil (commies demanding the destruction of Western civilization and it’s heritage, symbols and people) that are roiling in this land.

    • Replies: @anonYMOUS
  463. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    Any doubt about the Holocaust (or 9/11 or Global Warming) and you’re immediately considered a dangerous whack-job or worse; a Nazi. (or tinfoil hat wearing crazed right-wing psycho likely to be the next ‘shooter’, and to be avoided at all costs ; )

    My recommendation would be to use the official terminology used by Theodor Adorno in his Authoritarian Personality in which he developed the F-Scale (F for fascist). Based on this, we should henceforth describe these people as scoring very high on the F-Scale, aka “very high F-Scale scorers.”

    • Agree: Rurik
  464. peterAUS says:
    @Rurik

    the xxxxxxx is a religion my friend. Casting doubt about the holy xxxxxx is like saying ‘it wasn’t a yyyyyyy’, but all the rest of it rings true.

    You’re just not going to get anywhere, as long as people are vested in the xxxxxxx dogma with such powerful emotional (religious-like) attachment.

    Now, be that as it may…doesn’t it apply to any crowd?
    Even….sometimes…… to the “alternative/awoken” people?

    Funny, isn’t it?

    As for Osama, there is a rather plausible theory why his corpse was dumped into sea.
    Hint: tomahawk.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  465. anonYMOUS • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    I feel the Nazis became too enthralled with their own successes, and over-played their hand to the cost of millions of Germans and others, who suffered unimaginably.

    feeling is not the same as thinking.
    feeling is what hasbara is all about — appeal to emotion.
    thinking requires sound logic applied to solid evidence.

    • Troll: Rurik
  466. Rurik says:
    @peterAUS

    Even….sometimes…… to the “alternative/awoken” people?

    Funny, isn’t it?

    the only dogma that people like me are invested with emotionally (or otherwise) is that the truth is the truth, and that lies should be repudiated, and that our life and progeny have just as much right to exist and persevere as anyone else’s.

    would you consider that a religious-based dogma, or a sound, scientifically based truth?

    As for Osama, there is a rather plausible theory why his corpse was dumped into sea.
    Hint: tomahawk.

    Osama had likely been dead for years when Obama pulled out that pathetic ploy

    if they had killed him with a tomahawk, why not show us the dramatic video? Or at least some evidence that he was even alive at the time.

    we’ve gotten exactly ZERO evidence that he was even alive, let alone in Abbottabad, milling around in a compound with his wives and watching porn on his laptop..

    and after the avalanche of lies they’ve told us, they expect us to take them at their word with ZERO evidence

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  467. @SolontoCroesus

    S2C,

    Neil Diamond was popular during my teen age years and he remains my favorite Jewish singer.

    Unbeknownst to him, he sang a “hit” which I consider rather prophetic as to what wreck American cities became as a result of Jewish economic “globalization” and engineered TV-Hollywood-Pop music demoralization programming system.

    From the hit tune, “I am, I said,” Neil Diamond intoned with what I’ll call profitable-prophecy, “L.A.’s fine but it ain’t home no more!”

    Take a couple Tums and listen to Roger Waters? Thanks, S2C! Laughter Makes ZUSA life livable.

    Selah Kentucky Woman, Lobby-Congressmen get to grope you!

  468. chris says:
    @Rurik

    Beautifully said Rurik ! Exactly how I feel.

    And, as correctly stated by that ass, Bannon that for their further plan in the ME, they’re “going to need leadership,” well, again we’re in good hands because they ain’t getting that from Trump either.

    Trump is going to provide the gold standard he’s always delivered: some half-assed mix of blustering bravado with a major compromise in the middle, held together with lots of tweets and some spit; which won’t satisfy anyone, except perhaps for you and I.

    He’ll fire 70 very expensive missiles at the Iranian nuclear facility which has already been cemented through and call it a victory.

    And, as you say and I always think, thank God that scumbucket, Hillary is instead spending her free time at Barnes & Noble, trying to get some schmucks to buy her book and affording us all the magnificent sight of her wallowing in her misery. It’s almost better than her being in jail, because there we couldn’t see her pissing on herself.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  469. Art says:
    @silviosilver

    It is not “the six million lie” or 9/11 – we do not have to make a choice.

    There are other obvious choices — Jew control over the US government – over our mendacious US media – over jailed Palestine – over the Israeli instigated ME 9/11 wars – and most of all the threats presented by the 200 hidden Jew nukes.

    The moral quotient (MQ) of the Jew low and falling. Attack that!

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. How anyone can believe the whole 9/11 government explanation, is mind boggling.

  470. Art says:
    @Rurik

    time will tell, and yes, the whole administration seems to lick Bibi’s umm, hand, like they like the taste of Palestinian blood.

    Rurik,

    My hopes are not yet totally dashed – but things are not looking good.

    Trump is throwing the Palestinian Authority out of Washington DC because they are holding back peace talks. What a cruel joke.

    Clearly, he plans on giving the Palestinians a “Godfather deal – they cannot refuse.”

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Maybe Trump will get on bended knee and ask Netanyahu about all those nukes he has pointed at humanity?

  471. @Rurik

    “… what it’d be like under the war hag.”

    Rurik,

    No choice, both Hillary Clinton & Donald Trump would have to comply with the evolving foreign policy needs of ZUSA real politics.

    Such circimstance is pitifully “revolting” to me.

    Thank you!

  472. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    and after the avalanche of lies they’ve told us, they expect us to take them at their word with ZERO evidence

    This.

    It’s all based on the credibility of people with no credibility.

  473. Patriot says:
    @Wally

    Yes, Gaza is the largest and longest existing concentration camp the world has ever known.

    Shame on the Jews. Shame, shame, shame.

    And shame on the whores in Washington who let it happen.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  474. @ChuckOrloski

    just think for a moment on how important it was for G.W. Bush administration FBI director to make certain that the public was convinced that 19 Arabs with box cutters took the Twin Towers down

    There was a huge hunger from people to get answers. What is so strange about organizing a commission to provide those answers? It’s not as if this explanation was incessantly broadcast to people who otherwise would never have cared about it (the way whole Russia-Trump thing is).

    Truthers endlessly repeat this line about “19 Arabs with box cutters,” apparently convinced that stating it this way highlights the extreme unlikelihood of the claim. Breaking it down piece by piece, however, it’s clear that there is nothing extraordinary about the claim at all.

    “19.” Well, what of it? Is 19 too few people to hijack four planes? Four people per plane is consistent with earlier hijackings so there’s really nothing silly about the number.

    Is it too few people to fly a plane? Again no.

    Is it too few people to fly a plane into a building? Obviously not.

    If a plane hitting a building is capable of bringing a building down, then clearly “19″ people are capable of such a feat.

    “Arabs.” Are Arabs too stupid to pull off a hijacking? No, because Arabs have hijacked planes before.

    Are Arabs too stupid to learn to fly planes? No, there are numerous highly accomplished Arab pilots.

    Are Arabs too stupid to conceive of such a devilishly clever plot as flying a plane into a building? It’s hard to think so.

    Are Arabs too cowardly to commit a suicide attack? Nope.

    “Boxcutters.” Are box cutters too feeble a weapon to threat harm to anyone? They’re capable of inflicting cuts and people are generally afraid of being cut, so there isn’t anything absurd about using such a weapon.

    Are box cutters too feeble a weapon with which to hijack a plane? No, because planes are flown by people, and people are afraid of being cut. None of the passengers would have imagined that the plane was going to be flown into a building, so they weren’t necessarily in fear for their lives.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  475. @Rurik

    Because the second you bring it up, they’ve been programed like Pavlov’s dogs to look at you with a jaundiced eye. Any doubt about the Holocaust (or 9/11 or Global Warming) and you’re immediately considered a dangerous whack-job or worse; a Nazi. (or tinfoil hat wearing crazed right-wing psycho likely to be the next ‘shooter’, and to be avoided at all costs ; )

    Obviously. But please note that I specified an audience to willing to listen. They may not be many, but such people do exist. If you’ve got their attention and you want to bring up a “we’ve been lied to” angle, I think holocaust rev is a much better choice than 9/11.

    But in general, I don’t think holocaust rev is a good use of a pro-white activist’s time at all. Holocaust rev excites some activists because it promises to deliver the kill shot – nobody convinced by holocaust rev is ever going to look at the world the same way again. Unfortunately, this seldom happens. It’s hard to miss the fact that most holocaust revers are outright nazi apologists. Their emphasis is less on helping whites learn racial self-defense and more on convincing whites of the righteousness of the nazi cause, defending every decision the nazis ever made. It’s all a huge diversion from what really matters. I think we’re on the same page about this.

    Regarding 9/11, I’m not in the mood to thrash it all out here. Perhaps I’ll look into it again another time, if only to remind myself of why I was originally unconvinced by truther arguments.

    • Replies: @anon
  476. @Patriot

    Patriot,

    Encourages me when a U.R. commenter (especially an American citizen rather remote from M.E. tragedies) recognizes unabated human suffering and utters, “shame, shame.”

    It is best to become aware & speak now because tomorrow may be too late.

    Thanks for your writing service, Patriot! Below I provide a dead serious article which could prompt comfortable but concerned U.S. citizens to be thinking, “We are all Palestinians now.”

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/saudi-arabia-wants-fight-iran-the-last-american-23212

  477. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    … and donations to the Friends of the IDF are tax-deductible, too!
    That’s right, you can drag US taxpayers along on this boondoggle, too.

  478. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    Holocaust rev excites some activists because it promises to deliver the kill shot – nobody convinced by holocaust rev is ever going to look at the world the same way again. Unfortunately, this seldom happens. It’s hard to miss the fact that most holocaust revers are outright nazi apologists. Their emphasis is less on helping whites learn racial self-defense and more on convincing whites of the righteousness of the nazi cause, defending every decision the nazis ever made.

    what planet are you from, buddy?
    “White” is a nonsense category. Your masters came up with that tag to mess with your brain.

    But let’s say white IS a category. Germans were what, purple?

    don’t you get it? What was done to the Germans is being done to the rest of us by the same gang that offed 7 million Germans, raped their women, killed or neutered their men, destroyed their cities, even took over their art and music.

    The point is to see the pattern, and that it is being repeated. That’s how history is supposed to serve us. If the history is garbage — you know the rest– GIGO. “Holocaust” history is garbage of the stinkiest sort.

    We haven’t seen how we were being brainwashed for all these years, like the Germans were brainwashed, because of the Holocaust smokescreen. Blow away the smokescreen and patiently draw your audience along to see that most of the crimes that Germans were accused of, were crimes that the accusers did.
    They are doing the same crimes to US.
    They’ve done the same crimes to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe, in our name, with our tax dollars. That makes us responsible.

    Cut the crap about “nazi apologists.” Wrap your brain around this instead:
    Why do you suppose Jews melt like the Wicked Witch at the mention of Hitler/Nazi/swastika? IT IS BECAUSE HITLER WAS EFFECTIVE at countering their malign influence, and he did it nonviolently — until Germany was pushed into war.
    In other words, the Third Reich set down some means and methods that could serve as a reasonable, nonviolent way to solve the JQ — non violent.

    If you’re interested in learning “racial self defense,” by which I assume you refer to relations between Blacks and Whites, I think you’re on the wrong path: Blacks are not your enemy; Jews have used Blacks against themselves and against Whites for over a hundred years. The smart move for “whites” would be to ally with Black people, and Muslims, and Hispanics, against our common enemy.
    What scared the shit out of Jews is that Nazis united Germany– all-classes, all-creeds — under common German cultural values. Germans were united. Why do you think Jews go to such lengths to set up Identity groups? To divide people — a house divided cannot stand: Germany was united: Jews had to call upon the entire crazed population of Russia to destroy united Germany.

    How, who or what can unite the people of the USA in that way? Because that is the only way USA can work itself out of this mess.
    The early zionists had an Iron Wall doctrine: Arabs would beat themselves against immovable Jewish force until exhausted, then they would join Jews.

    What’s your plan for “helping whites learn racial self-defense”?
    Is it as effective as the Nazi plan — that worked for 7 years? Have you put yourself to the mental discipline of studying what made Nazis successful?

    Is your plan as effective as the Jewish Iron Wall plan that has worked for 70 years?

    Maybe you should study the tactics of the “evil Nazis” and also the actual evil zionists, then put some brain power behind “helping whites learn racial self-defense.”

    ’cause right now “helping whites learn racial self-defense” rings hollow.

    PS I’ll save you the trouble:

    TROLL

    • Replies: @L.K
  479. @silviosilver

    “There was a huge hunger from people to get answers. What is so strange about organizing a commission to provide those answers?”

    Hi ho Silviosilver,

    As to who really did 9/11 and how, indeed there was & still is “a huge hunger from people to get answers.”

    P. Zelikow’s 9/11 Commission Report issued purposely deceptive answers which fit well with ZUSA President G.W. Bush administration’s plan to enrage citizens to support the evil “War against Evil.”

    Skeptical & concerned American citizens continued to “hunger” for evidence-based factual answers on the 9/11 False Flag attack, and as even you must realize, Silviozilver, they found such.

    Selah Christopher Bollyn “Solving 9/11.”

  480. @German_reader

    Israel has the land by Right of Conquest, having won it in a defensive war: the Head of World Court taught lesson to me at SAIS.

    Actually Israel should have followed the lead of Czecho and Poland, who ran all the Germans off after WWII.

    The Israelis are very silly, thinking if any group lived under their regime they would convert to a Western mode of though. Actually being Muslims, any good thing the Isrealis do is seen as a slight, confirming Muslim weakness. You should note the Muslims countries did not offer refuge, worse now because of how badly they behaved in Kuwait.

    If I were doing it, I would buy them out. The only reason you don’t see more is simply that the other Muslim will kill to prevent it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rurik
    , @Anon
  481. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tradecraft46

    Israel has the land by Right of Conquest, having won it in a defensive war: the Head of World Court taught lesson to me at SAIS.

    Which defensive war was that?

    Israel does not recognize World Court

    A Jewish jurist of international prominence on matters of international law was asked by Israeli leaders in 1967 if Israel had the right to retain land taken in 1967. He said No.

    Most of the rest of the international community also says NO.

  482. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “That victory would not have come without one other person besides Donald Trump, Sheldon Adelson.”
    “This quote should put to rest Incitatus’ claims about The Lobby not being virtually omnipotent.”

    ‘Omnipotent: having unlimited power; able to do anything’? No doubt President McCain and Romney agree, especially after keeping the JCPOA from passing.

    The Lobby’s influence is dwarfed by other special interests. Numbers prove it. Head still buried in the sand?

    2017 Health Sector Lobbying: $413,776,411 (117 times Pro-Israel).
    2017 Health Sector Spending: $3,200,000,000,000+ (842 times Pro-Israel).
    2017 Pro-Israel Lobbying: $3,536,663;
    2017 Pro-Israel Spending: $3,800,000,000.

    Bannon’s self-inflated pandering to ZOA and Adelson proves nothing. Ever shameless, he’s buttering them up to reach onto their wallets. No doubt he’s a similar spiel for evangelicals, middle-age judges who date teens, etc.

    “We knew with our data that Donald J Trump, the strongest supporter of Israel since Ronald Reagan, was going to be the President of the United States.”

    GW Bush was – without doubt – “the strongest supporter of Israel”. Reagan? Look up AWACs and Saudi Arabia, US UN vote on Osirak, etc. Bannon’s full of crap, just like ‘turd blossom’ Karl Rove. Both say anything for power and money. ZOA must have been a true love fest.

    Here’s recent wisdom from Ætna CEO Mark Bertolini:

    “I think we need to keep people away from the health care system…we should have an attitude that when somebody has to go to an emergency room or they have to go in the hospital or they need to see a specialist, we have failed them in some way.”
    -Hartford Courant 7 Nov 2017

    Mark’s currently heavy-petting CVS for a $70 billion buyout. Drugs and paperwork – a match made in corporate heaven. Think it‘ll be spent on patients? Only yesterday he was dating Humana (didn’t end well). Mark, an MBA rather than MD, bills for care he’d deny customers. Imagine buying a car you can’t use. Can corruption be more blatant?

    Mark collected $17.3 million last year, five times 2017 pro-Israel lobby spending. Estimated net worth: $180 million. Ætna spends $3± million lobbying per year. 2016 revenue was $63.175 billion. It gave Joe Lieberman more than $110,000 in 2009. Had nothing to do with Israel. Joe was the deciding vote against an ACA public option.

    Think Ætna’s unique? Anthem offered $54 billion for sister insurer Cigna ($39.7 billion revenue). Insurers complain about the ACA, but can’t resist buying others in the same business. Nixed by courts, Anthem owes Cigna a $1.85 billion break-up fee. Cigna’s sued for an additional $14 billion in “damages.” Think any of it’s going to health care? Cigna CEO David Cordani finished the year with $49 million.

    “Now I know why Mr. Maven was so keen on Trump being elected Pres.”

    Wasn’t Giraldi for Trump? Most Unz posters? Buyer’s remorse already?

    Life in the echo chamber getting a bit boring with the usual chorus? The monotonous daily search for just the right ‘sky’s falling again’ quote? Don’t you find it dreadfully tedious?

  483. geokat62 says:

    ‘Omnipotent: having unlimited power; able to do anything’?

    I see you deftly left out the word “virtually.” Bit of a shame as I inserted it there with you in mind.

    No doubt President McCain and Romney agree, especially after keeping the JCPOA from passing.

    Hasn’t Trump decertified the Iran deal? I wonder why?

    The Lobby’s influence is dwarfed by other special interests. Numbers prove it. Head still buried in the sand?

    You expect people to take these numbers seriously when they suggest pro-Israel funding adds up to a whopping $3.5 M?… when Sheldon Adelson alone contributed close to $80M? Besides that, isn’t it a little disingenuous to try and compare pro-Israel funding to Health Care funding? You’re doing an apples to oranges comparison. We’re talking about special interests that try to influence US Foreign Policy in the region… what other lobby comes close to the influence AIPAC and CoP has on American FP in MENA? Good luck trying to name me one?

    Bannon’s self-inflated pandering to ZOA and Adelson proves nothing.

    Fair enough. But what about every other aspiring politician that grovels at AIPAC’s annual love fest for Israel? Didn’t we even witness Trump grovel there?

    Reagan? Look up AWACs and Saudi Arabia, US UN vote on Osirak, etc.

    I did look up articles about Reagan, and here’s one Ronald Reagan and the Jews, by Jason Maoz of The Jewish Press:

    Reagan inaugurated what Israeli journalists Dan Raviv and Yossi Melman have termed the ‘Solid Gold Era’ in U.S.-Israel relations.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/front-page/ronald-reagan-and-the-jews/2004/07/07/

    You should give the entire article a read… very fascinating info on Reagan’s affinity for Jews.

    Wasn’t Giraldi for Trump? Most Unz posters? Buyer’s remorse already?

    Come on, Incy. My point was that the Maven was hot on Trump even before any of The Dumb Goyim had a clue about his policy positions, especially re the ME. So while Trump was clearly the lesser of the two evils, most people were in the dark about his position on I/P. Only a few knew how strongly he identified with the Jewish state – i.e., those in the know.

    Life in the echo chamber getting a bit boring with the usual chorus? The monotonous daily search for just the right ‘sky’s falling again’ quote? Don’t you find it dreadfully tedious?

    Not at all. The latest developments are proving to be very interesting. Especially in terms of what is happening in Saudi Arabia and how the heir apparent has apparently cut a deal with the Zionists to try and weaken Hezbollah and the other members of the Shia Crescent in return for their support for his regime.

    As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, time will demonstrate that the tail is undoubtedly wagging the dog. Even those whose vision is impaired will be able to see the 800lb gorilla in due time.
    So, sit tight, Incy, things are about to get very interesting, indeed.

  484. @geokat62

    I guess you were right to caution us about Incitatus…

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  485. geokat62 says:

    I did look up articles about Reagan, and here’s one Ronald Reagan and the Jews, by Jason Maoz of The Jewish Press:

    A few more goodies from the article I linked to:

    “Reagan I could trust.” – Yitzhak Shamir

    “He was unshakable; a staunch supporter.” – Shimon Peres

    “I’ve believed many things in my life, but no conviction I’ve ever had has been stronger than my belief that the United states must ensure the survival of Israel.” – Ronald Reagan

  486. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “I see you deftly left out the word “virtually.”

    ‘virtually: in effect, effectively, as good as…’ Want it both ways?

    “You expect people to take these numbers seriously when they suggest pro-Israel funding adds up to a whopping $3.5 M?”

    Disappointed? Numbers are numbers.

    “…isn’t it a little disingenuous to try and compare pro-Israel funding to Health Care funding?”

    Both are special interests. Explain why they shouldn’t be compared.

    “You’re doing an apples to oranges comparison. We’re talking about special interests that try to influence US Foreign Policy in the region…”

    You insist the Lobby’s GWOT the root of all evil. No exceptions. From the safety of a country with health care. Now – for the first time – you want restrict special interests to “Foreign Policy in the region.” Trying to salvage your argument? Desperate? Can’t get your mind around the fact that most Americans could care less about the ME?

    Health care (or the lack of it) affects every American. It’s where the money is. But, OK, lets talk “Foreign Policy in the region.” Think financial, insurance, and real estate special interests have a stake in ME regional energy, world trade, exports, intellectual property rights, dollar stability, debt, etc? 2017 Lobbying $370,608,822. Really want to go there?

    “…what about every other aspiring politician that grovels at AIPAC’s annual love fest for Israel? Didn’t we even witness Trump grovel there?”

    They all grovel for AIPAC, just as they kneel with hypocritical clergy after bragging about groping women.

    “…most people were in the dark about his {Trump’s] position on I/P. Only a few knew how strongly he identified with the Jewish state – i.e., those in the know.”

    Didn’t he promise neutrality? Prince Jared and Princess Ivana would bring ME peace? Contradictions were pretty obvious prior to election (e.g. his AIPAC speech). Those screwed in bankruptcies gave ample testimony of DJT’s reliability. Now you manufacture a “only a few knew” conspiracy? You are Desperate!

    “…what is happening in Saudi Arabia and how the heir apparent has apparently cut a deal with the Zionists to try and weaken Hezbollah and the other members of the Shia Crescent in return for their support for his regime…”

    As I said 5 Nov 17 “I’d follow recent developments in KSA very closely.” $15 billion Thaad systems, Yemeni missile(s), embargoes, Saudi purges, Lebanon evacuation advisories, Hariri’s odyssey – all worrisome. Time will tell who’s cutting deals. Little doubt the US is involved, if not instrumental.

    “As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, time will demonstrate that the tail is undoubtedly wagging the dog. Even those whose vision is impaired will be able to see the 800lb gorilla in due time.”

    Wagging the “Foreign Policy in the region” dog? As opposed to the 8,000lb special interest elephants? The latter managed to save the carried interest loophole for poor $5 billion-per-year hedge fund managers and real estate barons in Tax Reform. Despite DJT pledges. Impaired vision? Don’t think so.

    Your heart’s set on hunting ‘the Lobby’, just as Ahab chased the white whale. Nothing less will do. Knock yourself out!

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sam Shama
  487. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Your heart’s set on hunting ‘the Lobby’, just as Ahab chased the white whale. Nothing less will do. Knock yourself out!

    Lol. Something tells me if The Lobby managed to get Bibi elected as the 46th POTUS, you’d still be in denial.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  488. “Your heart’s set on hunting ‘the Lobby’, just as Ahab chased the white whale. Nothing less will do. Knock yourself out!”

    Hey InZitatus,

    I am on the side of Herman Melville who also wrote “Billy Budd” and taught people a lot about the nature of official tyrants which The Jewish Lobby is in the spawning business to do their will.

  489. geokat62 says:

    A picture’s worth a thousand words:

    • Replies: @chris
  490. Incitatus says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    “I guess you were right to caution us about Incitatus…”

    Whew, it was close, eh CD? Don’t worry. Geo’s always right. Even if he can’t explain special interest spending that dwarfs the ‘Lobby’, let alone proportional benefits.

    BTW loved your:

    “…much evidence has been provided by many to show that the Nazis took as good a care of the prisoners as they could despite the lack of rations during war time. In many cases, it has been shown from camp records, that the prisoners were fed more calories per day than the average German.”

    “Meanwhile, there has not been a single proven instance of a death camp or a gas chamber (barring the ridiculous post-war construction of a facade that couldn’t contain the reputed gas without killing the Nazis themselves), but there are evidence of swimming pools, theaters, brothels, and other entertainment for the prisoners – an odd degree of charity towards people one intends to exterminate in short order.”

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-money-machine/#comment-2080350

    KZs were kind of like ClubMed? ClubHun? Striped bespoke holiday uniforms? Theaters with first run films, including comedies? No doubt ‘arbeit’ was arts and crafts entertainment included in the basic vacation plan? Tattoos for fun? Or – how’s this – to allow poolside account debits sans wallet or credit card?

    Geo’s lucky to have your support. Do carry on.

  491. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Something tells me if The Lobby managed to get Bibi elected as the 46th POTUS, you’d still be in denial.”

    Probably. Ask me when it happens.

    Meantime, aren’t you in denial on special interest ranking?

    Remember the election complaints about increasing income inequity? DJT’s claims Tax Reform won’t benefit him? The new bill includes eliminating the alternative minimum tax (limits loopholes) and the estate tax (estates over $11 million). DJT benefits by $ billion(s). Generational dynasties of unearned wealth immune from tax are right around the corner.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @L.K
  492. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Meantime, aren’t you in denial on special interest ranking?

    Do you think MJ Rosenberg, an AIPAC insider for several years, is also in denial on his special ranking?

    Do you think the title of this article provides a clue of his ranking?

    AIPAC: A Lobby Without Parallel

    Here’s his assessment:

    There is no other lobby in Washington, not one, that has that kind of power. That was obvious when Prime Minister Netanyahu, a consistent opponent of U.S. policies, received a congressional reception worthy of the Second Coming. What I experienced in 1988 was nothing. Woe to the senator or Senate aide who even imagines such a thing today.

    And here’s the factors Rosenberg cites that differentiate The Lobby from other top lobbies:

    One, AARP and every other power lobby one can name (including the NRA, PhRMA, AHIP and the Chamber of Commerce) advocate for U.S. interests, as it sees them. (The AARP represents tens of millions of Americans over age 50 and the NRA represents millions of American gun enthusiasts.) AIPAC, on the other hand, gets its direction from a foreign government. If the Israeli government decides it will give up, say, downtown Hebron, AIPAC will say the same almost immediately. It is as independent of the Israeli government as the U.S. Communist Party was independent of Moscow.

    Two, members of Congress criticize these powerful lobbies all the time. And doing so does not make page one of the New York Times, while Levin’s mild call on Shamir to support Israel’s own official position did. Criticizing Israeli policies is, thanks to AIPAC, the “new third rail” of American politics, replacing Social Security and Medicare. (Both those programs are now attacked daily). AIPAC is the only lobby that both Democrats and Republics fear challenging.

    ….

    Four, AIPAC’s effort to squelch Senate dissent succeeded. I remember one of AIPAC’s top lobbyists telling me to thank Levin for the letter. “You’ll see, MJ, after what Levin went through, no senator will ever pull that kind of thing again. You did us a favor,” she said.

    And, guess what? No senator has, not in 23 years.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/aipac-a-lobby-without-par_b_870943.html

    Sounds like MJ is as much in denial about The Lobby’s ranking as I am.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @geokat62
    , @Incitatus
  493. @Incitatus

    Do carry on

    Thank you for your kind and gracious permission.

  494. L.K says:
    @anon

    Excellent post, sir.

    I personally also find it very problematic when I see types like this silviosilver, who think History should just be used as a tool to achieve some ends. In this person’s case, ‘white nationalism’…

    If maybe it cannot be used to reach their political goals, then it is not worth pursuing.
    I find such notions unacceptable. Certainly most recent history is heavily politicized by those in a position to do so, & that is why the field is so worthless.

  495. L.K says:
    @Incitatus

    inZitatus,

    I have had fun reading some of your exchanges with geokat.

    Geokat has totally destroyed you again & again, much like he has destroyed your pal, zionist rat & liar, sam shameless.

    Your pathetic lies & obfuscation are so transparent… who the fuck do u think you impress with these idiotic posts of yours?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Incitatus
  496. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Great find Geo – thanks for the link!

    Peace.

  497. helena says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Reaching out…touching me, touch-ing yooooo :)

    one more time boys, Hands…

    come on, last chorous..so good, so good!

    thank you one and all we love you!

  498. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    This comment should put the final nail in the coffin of the topic of which lobby is the most powerful in Washington DC.

    I think most would agree, the ultimate measure of a lobby’s power is the number of scalps it has accumulated in terms of congress members who have been defeated for not supporting any legislation put forward by that particular lobby.

    AIPAC can boast that it has 6 scalps, 2 Senators and 4 Representatives, to its name:

    AIPAC attacks politicians who question unconditional support of Israel. AIPAC demands that Congress rubber stamp legislation drafted by AIPAC staff. It keeps a record of how members of Congress vote and this record is used by donors to make contributions to the politicians who score well. Members of Congress who fail to support AIPAC legislation have been targeted for defeat in re-election bids. These include Senators Adlai Stevenson III and Charles H. Percy, and Representatives Paul Findley, Pete McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, and Earl F. Hilliard. AIPAC’s overwhelmingly disproportionate influence on Congress subverts our democratic system.

    How many scalps do the other lobbies you believe are more powerful than the Israel Lobby have to their name?

  499. @geokat62

    Geo – You left out Senator William J. Fullbright! And I suspect that many other potential candidates were weeded out by the Lobby at the caucus or primary stage. Here in Virginia AIPAC interviews all congressional candidates immediately after they announce that they will be running for office to determine if they are acceptable from an Israel point of view.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @geokat62
    , @Rurik
  500. @Philip Giraldi

    Hey Phil,

    Bad news… uh for some? Israel’s “Money Machine” has no borders!

    Perhaps (especially) Italian-American SolontoCroesus shall be interested in the article linked below which describes hasbarist achievements in the Italian market.

    http://original.antiwar.com/romana_rubeo/2017/11/17/anti-bds-laws-pro-israeli-parliament-zionist-hasbara-winning-italy/

    Thank you and as always, God bless & keep both you and The Unz Review.

  501. Rurik says:
    @chris

    thanks Chris,

    I share your sentiments exactly

    , thank God that scumbucket, Hillary is instead spending her free time at Barnes & Noble, trying to get some schmucks to buy her book and affording us all the magnificent sight of her wallowing in her misery. It’s almost better than her being in jail, because there we couldn’t see her pissing on herself.

    just imagine that sadistic bitch in the White House man!

    just thinking of how giddy she was and cackling over Gadhafi being tortured to death, and sooo pleased with herself to take full credit for what was done to Gadhafi and Libya

    and now she’s being tossed under the bus by the entire Democrat machine.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warren-2016-democratic-primary-was-rigged-for-hillary

    it’s hilarious

    but, just when you figured it couldn’t get any better.. she says an investigation into her serial treasons and perfidy and war crimes, would be an “abuse of power”

    hahaha haaahhahaha!

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-calls-potential-justice-department-investigation-abuse/story?id=51190591

    so yea, watching Hillary and McShitstain going down the toilet drain is satisfying on many levels.

    and seeing Hillary being repudiated by the entire Democrat machine, (including her predator / war criminal husband) where she ruled imperiously for decades, is a kind of theater so pleasurable as to be priceless- when you consider just how evil that bitch actually is, and the length and breath of crimes those two have accumulated against so many people the world over.

    Not only did they have so many people murdered, like Ron Brown and Seth Rich, but they destroyed entire countries, including (it could be argued) this one as well.

    I hope she stays in the news for a long, long time. I’d like to see her reaction to Trump’s landslide re-election on Nov, 3 2020.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  502. geokat62 says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    You left out Senator William J. Fullbright!

    Thanks, Phil.

    Here’s the revised tally:

    AIPAC can boast that it has 7 scalps, 3 Senators and 4 Representatives, to its name.

  503. Rurik says:
    @Tradecraft46

    Actually Israel should have followed the lead of Czecho and Poland, who ran all the Germans off after WWII.

    but what about the Golan Heights?!

    do you realize how much oil is there?!

  504. @geokat62

    Sam Shama revisited: “It was really rather pleasant to find Judaism held in so high a regard in India, Korea, and Japan! The Japanese and Koreans are also engaged in enormous infrastructure projects in India, and now Israel is joining in that effort as well. Let us wish such international co-operation G’dspeed, shall we?”

    Hey geokat62,

    Am wondering how well Israel’s “Money Machine,” Influence Acquisition Division, is faring among politicians & businessmen in the nation’s which The Maven specified in the above comment?

    Great demo job on the slippery InZitatus, and I loved the true-cartoon that you posted earlier

    Finally, reflective & aware people ought do Thanksgiving each day, and if Canada celebrates such this coming Thursday, I wish to offer special thanks for all the learning experiences you have given me at U.R.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  505. Rurik says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Senator William J. Fullbright

    James Traficant [RIP]

  506. @Rurik

    Rurik,

    Chances are very positive for your prediction of President Trump’s “landslide re-election” come November 2020!

    Below V.T. article explains The Reason why!

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/11/20/trump-is-reasserting-his-role-as-the-ultimate-zionist-pawn/

    Thank you!

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  507. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    Interesting article, Geo.

    “It [AIPAC] is as independent of the Israeli government as the U.S. Communist Party was independent of Moscow.”

    Forget the following line:

    “(The only time this was not true was in the early 1990s when Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin tried, and failed, to reduce AIPAC’s influence).”

    Doubtless you know what happened to Rabin.

    “One, AARP and every other power lobby one can name (including the NRA, PhRMA, AHIP and the Chamber of Commerce) advocate for U.S. interests, as it sees them. (The AARP represents tens of millions of Americans over age 50 and the NRA represents millions of American gun enthusiasts.) AIPAC, on the other hand, gets its direction from a foreign government…”

    As said many times, AIPAC and like organizations (for any foreign power) should be registered as a foreign lobbyist. Think-tank (liberal, conservative, foreign, domestic) propaganda machines should be taxed like any other business. Military aid and weapons sales to all countries in the region should end. The US should follow Washington’s admonition against ‘passionate attachments’ – Israel, KSA, UK, etc.

    That said, it’s not surprising ‘AIPAC: A Lobby Without Parallel’ – an article on highlighting present-day AIPAC – amplifies its power. The Israeli government – AIPAC’s raison d’être – is Likud and conservative. Something Rosenberg, who “Worked on Capitol Hill for Democratic Senators and House members for 20 years”, is bound to regard critically. I agree with much of what he writes. But does he prove “There is no other lobby in Washington, not one, that has that kind of power”?

    Have you followed the mass shootings in the US? Seems they’re a weekly event. Movie theatres, concerts, churches, nightclubs, highways, and even elementary schools. Name the venue, somebody’s targeted it. The US is the top civilian gun-owning country (89/100 residents). Number two? Yemen (55/100). 93 Americans are killed by guns on an average day. 33,880 deaths/year.

    4,424 troops have been killed in the sixteen-year GWOT, an average of 0.76 per day. In otherwords, domestic firearm deaths average 123 times GWOT deaths on an average day.

    Discussing universal background checks for gun show sales is a non-starter. Heresy. Wonder why? The NRA is very, very effective. They have no need to puff themselves up like AIPAC. Let an expert explain:

    “The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the pro-propagandistic initiative.”
    -Joseph Göbbels, 1934

    10.4 million firearms are manufactured for the domestic market every year (2015). Guns and ammo brought in $42.9 billion in 2015. More than eleven times aid to Israel. The NRA’s spent $22.9 million on candidates, $46.8 million lobbying, and another $54.4 million in outside spending (TV ads, etc). About $124 million total for all years. The gun market makes 346 times that in one year. Charlton Heston was cheered for “From my cold, dead hands!”

    “I think most would agree, the ultimate measure of a lobby’s power is the number of scalps it has accumulated in terms of congress members who have been defeated for not supporting any legislation put forward by that particular lobby.”

    Really want to go there? Hear of the NRA rating for elected officials? Who holds the legislative, judicial, and executive branches of the Federal government and most states? GOP? Have you noticed Dems are for gun control, GOP is not? Wonder why Dems keep losing?

    AIPAC vs NRA? Winners have no need for bluster.

  508. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Hi Incitatus,
    Read your exchanges with great interest.

    Your posts serve the important purpose of informing any normally disposed neophyte to the UR of a few things: that influential though AIPAC is amongst socio-political lobbies, their scope and reach remarkable; the sheer dollars at stake and the concomitant impact and domination of commercial lobbies for healthcare and defence exceed, indeed absolutely dwarf the first, and should, therefore, be the concerns foremost on the minds of the polity.

    That is, of course, the concerns of normal men; here, we are confronted by obsession and zealotry so noxious, they render rational and intelligent exchange of facts and deductions impossible. You are dealing with a species of addicts. Their needs rise by the day and the cure demands, as that wonderful American expression suggests: cold turkey. We may hope the days which follow Thanksgiving shall be that bridge of self-reflection for our wild-eyed interlocutors, yet I fear it might prove a bridge too far.

    When tax reform was spoken of during the campaigning period, I for one had supported the notion of ridding our tax system of Carried Interest [A word here; most hedge funds do not qualify for CI, but Private Equity funds do. As do Oil and NG exploration companies]. What gets tabled now reveals as clear as a sunny morn that CI carries on! The PE lobby and the Oil lobby have notched a classic win! Are the menagerie here paying any attention?! Complain about that, fools! But no. You’ll find them at the Dunkin Donuts, engaged in a deep contemplation of the sprinkled pastry and coffee. And Israel.

    Best

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  509. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Yes, but I think we should resist making the perfect the enemy of the good, and I consider it good that Hillary is not in the White House, and that so far, Trump has not embroiled us in any new wars, and has ended the CIA’s support of ISIS. Allowing Syria to breath a breath of hope, after so long.

    I don’t care if he sabre rattles at lil’ Kim, so long as that’s all he does.

    I’ll tell you Chuck why I still have hope for Trump, and one of the major reasons is due to the way the Bush crime junta seems to hate him sooo much.

    Bush represented everything I despise about our ruling elites. And from what I understand, the reason they hate Trump so much

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/237670

    is because they think he’s going to undo all their accomplishments

    he’s not ‘one of them’, you see – and so they fear he might turn out like a Putin, who caught them all off-guard, and now look at Russia! It was right where they wanted it! They owned it fee simple, and were sucking it dry, with the obvious intention to loot every last drop of oil and trees and natural gas and everything else they could steal and see the Russian people driven into the ground.

    So there’s fear out there, and raging hostility. When Republican former head of the CIA and former president admits that he voted for Hillary (!), because he fears and loathes Trump that much, it can only be a good sign, no?

    Maureen Dowd: George Bush Hates Trump, ‘Would Throw His Shoe at the TV’ When Trump Comes On

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/maureen-dowd-george-bush-hates-trump-would-throw-his-shoe-at-the-tv-when-trump-comes-on

    Peace

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  510. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    influential though AIPAC is amongst socio-political lobbies, their scope and reach remarkable; the sheer dollars at stake and the concomitant impact and domination of commercial lobbies for healthcare and defence exceed, indeed absolutely dwarf the first, and should, therefore, be the concerns foremost on the minds of the polity.

    ahh, but Sammy..

    it isn’t just the dollars now, is it?

    rather it’s the ((media)) influence that makes or breaks a national politician

    when those whores go to Vegas to lick Sheldon’s $#@$, they’re not just slurping for shekels, no sir. They’re also signaling their willingness as wide-open vessels for the seeds of greater Israel. Once they’ve sufficiently displayed their eagerness to service Bibi, then the media kicks in, and either makes or kills a politicians’ ambitions, you see?

    Lobbies like AIPAC are small fries when it comes to the Fiend getting its way. The World Bank and WTO and other more sinister, behind the scenes organizations working with the Fed (Fiend/Rothschild) are also feverishly serving Israel’s interests. Scurrying in every dank nook and cranny to purge all nations of any person of potential influence who isn’t owned by them.

    It’s far more vast than just AIPAC, as you well know, (being a maven and all ; )

  511. peterAUS says:
    @Sam Shama

    here, we are confronted by obsession and zealotry so noxious, they render rational and intelligent exchange of facts and deductions impossible. You are dealing with a species of addicts. Their needs rise by the day

    Agree.

    As for reflection, I just can’t see that happening, IMHO.

    But, all that isn’t so bad.
    At least the urge is under control and doesn’t spill in the real world.

    Some people feed the need by watching ball games, some by shopping and some by ….engaging in alternative viewpoints.
    I mean, nobody really said “correct”….just “alternative”.
    Group dynamics isn’t alternative, obviously. It’s actually more prominent. And majority even can’t see it. Speaking about reflection…..

    Haha…actually, your people should understand that very well.
    Weren’t you “alternative” to the prevalent viewpoint during, say, Middle Ages?
    Majority was into Christianity, you guys were in Judaism.

    Seeing how well it worked with your tribe (positive selection resulting in high quality group), well, one could hope that the same approach could work with people into “alternative” now.
    Even those “at the Dunkin Donuts, engaged in a deep contemplation of the sprinkled pastry and coffee. And Israel.” recognize the qualities and power of your tribe. I mean, they can bitch and moan about power, but, deep inside, they do recognize the quality.
    Some theories even postulate that simple envy is, if not prime, very important motive for “not liking” Jews.

    No harm done at the end of the day.
    Nothing good either, but, still, O.K. overall I guess.