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Regular visitors to this website can confirm that I am not at all shy about whacking Israel and its nearly omnipotent Lobby in the United States. Take that as a given. But even while whacking I try to base my invective on what I see as the fundamental issue: while I grieve for the Palestinians my role as an American must be to assess the damage that Israel is doing to my own country, which most recently includes insufferable demands for yet more U.S. taxpayer dollars to compensate for the “damage” done by the Iran nuclear deal.

In that light I try to keep my critique on a rational and proportionate basis. While I have sometimes suggested that those who are over the top in love with Israel should consider moving there and have also not hesitated to describe the behavior of certain congressmen like Senators Cardin, Menendez and Schumer as something akin to treason, I have never called for confiscation and destruction of property, denial of citizenship, or exiling the miscreants that I identify. I will leave those sorts of things to the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which is very good at it.

But sometimes the actions of the friends of Israel in the United States are so truly outrageous that they seem to invite a reaction that is more explosive, like petitioning the Strategic Air Command to nuke AIPAC when it next gathers here in Washington. A couple of recent Israel first initiatives that are aimed at denying first Amendment rights to anyone but those who are supporters of Israel fall into the category that seems to demand a really strong response. Like, what the hell is going on here? Is anyone in Congress and the Judiciary awake?

Last week a billboard was taken down in New Bedford Massachusetts. The billboard read “Help the USS Liberty Survivors – Attacked by Israel.” The billboard had been placed by the Honor Liberty Vets Organization and, as is normal practice, was paid for through a contractual arrangement that would require the billboard company to post the image for a fixed length of time. It was one of a number of billboards placed in different states.

Inevitably, Israel’s well connected friends began to complain. One Jewish businessman threatened to take his business elsewhere, so the advertising company obligingly removed the billboard two weeks early. The company involved Outfront Media Inc., whose CEO is Jeremy Male, apparently made no attempt to justify its breach of contract.

Ernie Gallo, President of the USS Liberty Veterans Association, wrote to Mr. Male:

“Mr. Male, the USS Liberty was on a mission as directed by the Joint Chiefs. The mission resulted in the murder of 34 and 174 wounded some so severely that they died within a couple of years and a few that need operations today to keep them going. The Israeli attack was the attempted murder of 294 Americans on the high seas and LBJ gave them a free pass in order to look good to the American Jewish community in the 1968 presidential elections. However, the military realized this was no accident and the USS Liberty became the most decorated Navy ship for a single engagement. With the latter in mind, I give presentations to Veteran groups except for Jewish American War Vets. With the pressure you recently endured, are you starting to get the picture? Where is your backbone sir?

“I have published a book entitled, ‘Liberty Injustices — A Survivor’s Account of American Bigotry.’ I accumulated stories such as this one and the saga continues so I am collecting them again for my next book. I can assure you that your actions to take down the contracted Liberty billboard will be in the next book. God help this country when Jewish hatred can bring companies like yourself to break a written contract. We are very proud American Navy Veterans of all creeds.”

Ernie is too kind. The Liberty billboard demonstrates that First Amendment guaranteed freedom of speech in America is limited by how much money you have and how many corrupt businessmen, journalists, politicians and judges you can buy. The most outrageous anti-Muslim nonsense can be posted anywhere by the despicable Pamela Geller but just try to say something negative about Israel and you will feel the wrath of a totally subjugated corporate America.

Regarding the Liberty and its crew, there has been an orchestrated cover-up of the attack since day one. Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered fighters sent to the assistance of the Liberty to return to their carriers and Johnson reportedly said that he didn’t care if the ship sank, he wasn’t going to embarrass an ally. May they burn in hell and they should be joined there by the so-called “Jewish American War Vets” who condone the killing of U.S. servicemen because it was done on behalf of Israel.

More? My friend and colleague Alison Weir was recently speaking in the library at Walnut Creek California. “The Walnut Creek Police Department had phoned Alison ahead of time, concerned over a hate attack posted online a few weeks before the lecture inciting people to disrupt the talk… As expected, these Israel partisans then carried out their plan to try to sabotage the event.”

Alison describes what took place: “A small contingent of ‘Stand With Us’ people had signs outside the library and passed out flyers against Alison inside. About five or six of the protesters then sat in the front row right in front of Alison, while others stood in the back with their signs. During Alison’s talk the SWU people periodically shouted out objections, and then some audience members, fed up with their behavior, shouted at them to stop. At one point the SWU people managed to disrupt things so badly that Alison couldn’t continue speaking for a while, but finally she just spoke loudly right into the microphone and was able to continue. Even though the SWU people eventually grew so disruptive that some were finally removed by the police, Alison was able to give her full presentation. After one of the disrupters – a prominent Israel partisan named Helen Loewenstein – had been removed and used an obscene epithet outside the room, Loewenstein hit an audience member who was videoing her behavior with an iPad. Since this assault occurred right in front of several police officers, the police took Loewenstein away in handcuffs. This is all on video.”

Unfortunately, the experiences of the Liberty survivors and of Alison Weir are all too common. Groups and individuals who seek to speak out against what Israel is doing to the United States are denied space to speak their mind and are confronted by well-funded opposition that is sometimes inclined to use violence to support the “righteousness” of its cause. Recent developments at the University of California system, where attempts are continuing to label criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic hate speech threaten to stifle all discussion of Israel-Palestine at colleges nationwide. The increasing number of state laws banning the peaceful Boycott, Divest and Sanction (BDS) movement as anti-Semitic are direct attacks on free speech and it will not be long before such legislation appears at the federal level, where trade agreements with Europe are already becoming conditional on European acceptance of Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian West Bank. Hillary Clinton has explicitly promised to do all in her power to oppose BDS.

And why do we object to Israel and much of what it stands for? Because it is a hateful place and because it is increasingly involving the United States in its dreadful policies. A recent first person memoir relating the experiences of Eric Fair, an interrogator in Iraq, “describes, for example, the use by 82nd Airborne soldiers of a brutal device known as the ‘Palestinian chair.’ The interrogators say the Israeli military taught them how to use it during a joint training exercise. Sitting in the specially built chair, a detainee is pitched forward with his head thrust onto his chest and his hands zip-tied near the bottom of the legs. The device forces all of the detainee’s weight onto his thighs. Fair and a friend tried it out for themselves: ‘Maybe it’s not as bad as we’ve made it out to be. We experiment with different positions and tell each other what hurts the most. We agree that having your hands secured to the lowest part of the chair puts the most strain on our legs. What begins as a searing burn in the calves and quads evolves into a tearing sensation in the hamstrings and lower back. You sweat, you shake, you can’t breathe. It is a violent and frightening pain. It’s torture.’

“Once your legs give out, Fair writes, ‘you basically start to suffocate. They say everyone breaks in the chair.” A mayor of Fallujah was subjected to the chair, to devastating effect. Fair observed this interrogation but did not try to stop it: ‘This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it.’”

As I recall, Israeli advisers were present at Abu Ghraib and one might also note that they are currently training U.S. police forces in a major federal government funded program sharing their “techniques.” Benjamin Netanyahu recently described Israel as having the “most moral army in the world” after a soldier shot an injured and helpless Palestinian in the head.

And the hatred that drives many Israelis apparently starts even before birth. Jewish mothers-to-be can demand Arab-free hospital rooms. The wife of a Knesset member explained that she “does not want her newborn Jewish infant touched by non-Jewish hands.” The parliamentarian, “not wanting to be outdone himself, stated that he does not want his newborn baby to be in the same room with an Arab infant who a few years from now will try to kill his child.”

If Americans accept that there should be one standard of freedom of speech for friends of Israel and another standard for those who are its critics we might as well resign what remains of our democracy to the dust heap. The wealth and privilege that Israel’s friends enjoy should also bring with it a sense of responsibility, but when the subject is Israel many have difficulty in accepting that all citizens should enjoy the same rights. If it is all right to look the other way when those who have been directly harmed by Israel, to include the Liberty survivors, are denied their rights or when thugs try to disrupt a meeting in a public library, it corrupts and diminishes the freedom that all Americans should enjoy.

 
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  1. If you need to censor criticism, you obviously have something to hide. And Israel has a lot to hide. This is why they play the anti-Semitism card every chance they get, to deflect away from their war crimes and crimes against international law that every other country had to conveniently follow, except The Chosen™ of course.

    Nothing or no one should be outside of criticism or being talked about. Censoring speech only makes the matter worse as when it becomes taboo, more people want to do it, negating the effect that was wanted in the first place.

    These Jews and American politicians (as well as Jews with dual American/Israeli citizenship) are attempting to erode our freedoms slowly so that we won’t even notice the transition.

    To be an enemy of free speech and the first ammendment is to be a traitor to this country.

  2. chris says:

    Welcome to the ‘Pax’-Israeliana !

    Which bears great similarity to the attacks on truth practiced in the Soviet Union; and not just coincidentally so, since many of that system’s enforcers and proponents share the same ethnicity.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
    , @Blake
  3. Several weeks ago Israeli defense minister Moshe Ya’alon was in Washington, DC, to speak with US SecDef Ashton Carter and others about signing a new, 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) regarding US-Israel cooperation on defense and intelligence matters, and US commitment to contribute to Israel the financial, military and political support demanded for Israel to “maintain its military edge.”

    Ya’alon spoke at the Woodrow Wilson Center, a US taxpayer-funded organization currently headed by Jane Harman. Ya’alon was introduced by Joseph P Gildenhorn, former Chair and current member of the Board of Trustees of the Wilson Center.

    Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Center, interviewed/moderated Ya’alon’s discussion.

    Ya’alon repeated several outright lies, most of them slanders of the Iranian people and state as well as of the Palestinian people and state.

    Pertinent to Phil’s essay about the actions of Israelis and Israeli partisans in the United States to censor the speech of the American people was this exchange between Ya’alon and a member of the audience who identified himself as Eric Rosenman from CAMERA, the Committee for Accuracy on Middle East Reporting in America: http://www.c-span.org/video/?406449-1/israeli-defense-minister-moshe-yaalon-remarks

    [ @ 50 min] Q: “General Ya’alon, given the lack of reconciliation on the Palestinian side that you mentioned from years back, and the current manipulation of the Al Aqsa issue in terms of incitement, why doesn’t Israel to the best of its ability close down the mechanisms by which that is conveyed — Palestinian TV, newspapers; disrupt social networks and so on?

    A: Ya’alon: First of all we do close but you know in the time of information they can escape, they can overcome it. Just last weekend we closed certain media efforts, so they found a way to use it another satellite channel — French channel had been closed so they used other channels. Now we deal with this country’s way to close it but without even satellite channels the internet is used, the Facebook, whatever. So it’s quite difficult to close it. We do deal with it; it’s another area of war; we do not underestimate it. But it’s quite challenging.

    Earlier in his comments, Ya’alon stated that “Israel is the most stable state in the region,” and as we all know, Israel is the “only democracy in the Middle East,” characterized as all democracies are by freedom of assembly and of speech.

    —–

    PS Several days ago Stanford University Students for Justice in Palestine canceled an appearance by two Palestinian women because Alison Weir was in the audience (h/t Paul Larudee, “supporter of white supremacist Alison Weir”):

    Stanford SJP cancels Nakba tour because of Alison Weir’s participation

    “Last night, Mariam Fathalla and Amena Elashkar were scheduled to speak at Stanford University, sponsored by Students for Justice in Palestine. The previous day, I had asked Alison Weir, who has been giving talks on Palestine for 15 years all over the country, to meet with Amena and give her advice on reaching American audiences since this is Amena’s first trip to the U.S. It was an excellent, fruitful meeting.

    I then said it would be valuable if Alison could hear Amena’s presentation to see if she would have any suggestions. Alison is extremely busy but agreed to come down to Stanford with us for that purpose.

    When Alison learned we did not yet have any written materials along to provide the audience, she brought some along with her for us to use and also gave us some of her books that we could sell to help raise money for the tour. We had already discussed that IAK would supply their excellent written materials for the tour.

    We had no idea that Alison would turn out to be an issue, or that some members of the Stanford SJP would object to what Amena might wish to say. We view Alison as an extremely committed and popular antiracist writer, speaker, and activist, and people even follow her work in refugee camps in Lebanon. We know that some groups oppose her and If Americans Knew, but we also think that most do not, and that in any case this should not be an issue in the Nakba Tour. Alison, however, is not not one of the national organizers of the tour, and she was not intended to be one of the speakers or to have any role in the presentation at Stanford. She was simply there as a favor to us, as described above.

    However, some members of the SJP immediately objected to Alison’s presence, perhaps assuming she was going to speak, and also to the presence of her book and the If Americans Knew materials. We immediately explained that Alison was not to be a speaker and was just there to sit in the audience and that we had invited her to come with us. We also agreed to remove the books, but said we were disturbed that they also wished to censor the materials we could make available on our own tour. In all my years of activism, I’ve never heard of such a thing.

    Amena then began discussing the situation with the students, and was extremely upset when they told her that she could not speak truthfully about her feelings and the feelings of the thousands of dispossessed Palestinian refugees living in camps about their situation, about the Nakba, and about whether or not Israel has “the right to exist” that Israel partisans claim. This was not an issue at the two previous talks.

    When it became clear that they wished Amena to censor her excellent talk, she refused to do so and the event was canceled.

    We think it is extremely important that people hear from Amena and Mariam. They represent millions of Palestinian refugees whose rights and views have been trampled upon and who are often ignored. Thank you for helping us bring their voice to the discussion. It is long past time that they are heard.”

    SJP published a lame-ass version of events that differed from those of Larudee. You may be able to find it online; it’s not likely that Ya’alon or CAMERA have caused pro-Israel propaganda to disappear.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. Kiza says:

    Israeli advisers were present at Abu Ghraib and one might also note that they are currently training U.S. police forces in a major federal government funded program sharing their “techniques.”

    It is blatantly obvious that the cattle whose blood and treasure are used to expand Israel will be repressed by the cattle owners – the Israel-Firsters. Today Palestinians, tomorrow US citizens.

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  5. AC says:

    Using the subversives at the SPLC as a source isn’t helping your case. Those people are worse than worthless.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  6. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    In the land of free speech, it’s gotten to the point where one has to censor what you’re getting ready to type or risk being banned from the forum, which has happened to me many a times, all for the crime of pointing out some Israeli war crime or some ‘dodgy’ Israeli intelligence op directed against the USA.

    While our nation infrastructure falls apart, due to lack of money, we’re told, anytime Israel asks for a handout or more weapons, our Congress fall all over themselves rushing money and weapons to that Apartheid nightmare.

    Now Israel is rejecting a 20% increase in their Uncle Sam welfare package as being too small?

    Tell that story to the vets who were horribly wounded fighting those endless ME wars and who get put on waiting lists for treatment because the VA has run out of money.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
    • Replies: @dahoit
  7. Renoman says:

    Well yes it’s a mess but is it not the system that is flawed? The Jews are simply playing the game according to the rules as written. You need new rules.

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @dahoit
  8. geokat62 says:

    The Liberty billboard demonstrates that First Amendment guaranteed freedom of speech in America is limited by how much money you have and how many corrupt businessmen, journalists, politicians and judges you can buy. The most outrageous anti-Muslim nonsense can be posted anywhere by the despicable Pamela Geller but just try to say something negative about Israel and you will feel the wrath of a totally subjugated corporate America.

    Speaking of free speech, do you recall the scene of Bibi Nut’nYahoo, marching arm in arm with prominent Western leaders, defiantly chanting together with the Paris crowd “Je suis Charlie”? Well, a day later, the French comedian, Dieudonné M’bala M’bala, was arrested for making his “Je suis Charlie Coulibaly” comments.

    While Pamela Gellar can post anywhere her dispicably anti-Mulim ads and Charlie Hebdo can publish controversial cartoons of Muhammad, putting up an ad about the USS Liberty could soon land you in jail… just like M’bala M’bala.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So let’s see. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was fake, and there were no reported US casualties but it caused a war that lasted 20 years with casualties somewhere between 1M and 3M. The USS Liberty incident was real, resulted in 34 US servicemen killed and 174 injured and the US did nothing! Moreover no-one is allowed to talk about it. When are Americans going to wake up?

    • Replies: @anonymouse
  10. biz says:

    It’s really a shame because there is a severe lack of anti-Israel dialog out there. It is getting damn near impossible to find anti-Israel content on the internet or in a college humanities class.

    I mean if people would just quit obsessing over the Uhigurs, Tibetans, Timorese, Darfurians, Twa, Yezidis, Christians in Iraq and Syria, Shiites in Saudi, and Zoroastrians in Iran we could start devoting time to the real victims of genocide, the Palestinian Arabs.

    • Replies: @schmenz
  11. @Anonymous

    Israel paid compensation. Apparently they misidentified the ship as an unfriendly Soviet info gathering ship. This was during their 1967 war. So?

  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Mr Girardi
    The sign was taken down by the sign company, as I understood, when another businessman łet the sign company know that he would stop doing business with them. None of this is a violation of the 1st Amendment. The state was not an actor in the proceedings. Go sue the sign company as is your right. But stop blaming Israel for your arthritis. Here in GA we are really well aware of what lies you propagate against the word of our Book and God.

    • Replies: @5371
    , @dahoit
  13. @anonymouse

    They actually claimed it was a World War I vintage Egyptian horse transport and they must have had a hard time seeing the huge American flag it was flying. One Israeli pilot even radioed in that it was an American ship but he was ordered to continue the attack. “Misidentified” my ass. It was a deliberate attack to sink the ship and kill everyone on board.

  14. It’s interesting to observe, in real time, Jews making themselves hated all over again after they started with a clean slate and plenty of sympathy as a result of what allegedly happened to them in WW 2.

    By most counts I’ve seen, Jews have been expelled from something like 200 different nations, territories and city states during their history. Is North America going to be next? There seem to be a few smart Jewish posters here so I ask; have your people learned nothing from history?

    The Jew has burned bridges pretty much everywhere in the world and is mostly unwelcome. Are they all going to squeeze into Israel and shake their fists at the world from behind a nuclear curtain, or try their luck in Antarctica or Papua New Guinea before finding a way to make themselves hated there too?

  15. Rehmat says:

    Mr. Giraldi – a great article as usual.

    The US-Israel dual citizens work as ‘fifth column’ in the US. Now, as you suggest, they move to the ‘only safe heaven for the world Jewry’ – who would suck $4.5 billion military aid from the US taxpayers for the warmongering Zionist regime?

    These American traitors know many other ways to punish Iran for not making nuclear bomb.

    On March 3, 2016, the JTA reported that Republican and Democrat lawmakers have introduced a bill that would require linking the claims of Jews from Iran and other Arab countries to be compensated from the $150 billion (?) worth Iranian assets being released in phases as result of the P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement last year.

    The bill introduced on March 2 requires an annual report to Congress explaining what steps the Executive Branch has taken to address the issue of displaced Jewish refugees, detailing any assistance the United States has provided in this effort, and offering recommendations as to what more can be done to ensure that the interests of all refugees are considered as part of any comprehensive and credible Arab-Israeli peace agreement. The bill was sponsored by two Jewish lawmakers, Reps. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla. It was authored by two Zionist-Jewish mafia organization – American Jewish Committee and B’nai B’rith International …..

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/03/lobby-iran-should-pay-jewish-refugees-from-me/

    • Replies: @dahoit
    , @Rabbitnexus
  16. Sherman says:

    “While I grieve for the Palestinians”

    One of the greatest tragedies for the Palestinians is that so many of their so-called supporters around the world are motivated more by hatred of Jews than any genuine sympathy for the Palestinian plight.

  17. FLgeezer says:
    @Sherman

    And what sort of feeling should we have toward those responsible for the plight of the Palestinians Sherm? Not to mention for the plight of thousands of American servicemen and women killed or grievously injured by your promotion of the war in Iraq. Unconditional love I suppose, right?

  18. schmenz says:
    @biz

    A number of the groups you believe we should not be obsessing about, like the Syrian and Iraqi Christians, ARE the victims of Israeli policy. It is because of their monstrous policies that Christian are being exterminated. Who do you think badgered the USA into decimating and destroying these countries?

    Also, it may help you to know that among the Palestinian Arabs, many are Christian. Innocent Muslims and Christians are dying because of the crimes of the Israelis.

    • Replies: @biz
    , @Rabbitnexus
  19. vinteuil says:

    I read through the entire article in search of substantiation of the alarming subtitle, “Criticism of Israel becomes a crime.” I didn’t find any.

  20. vinteuil says:
    @AC

    “Using the subversives at the SPLC as a source isn’t helping your case.”

    Agreed. I don’t follow Pamela Geller and have no opinion of her – but the fact that the $PLC is after her suggests that she must be doing something right.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    , @Anonymous
  21. 5371 says:
    @anonymouse

    You really think Israel would have dared to attack a Soviet ship?

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  22. alexander says:
    @Renoman

    Since when is defrauding the United States taxpayer (out of trillions of dollars) into initiating the supreme crime of “war of aggression” , playing by the rules ?

    If the rules were applied, even by the most paltry of standards, this should be recognized for what it is… a supreme act of “terrorism”, …….and every Neocon responsible would be held to account….. ASAP.

    This, Renoman, would be playing …..by the “rules”.

    Utilizing “fraud” to initiate “war” is a supreme crime, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

    This is EXACTLY what was done to the US, by the Neocons, AIPAC , and the Office of Special Plans….Lying us into committing the supreme international crime.. “war of aggression”.

    The US is over 19 Trillion dollars in debt, right now, because of it .

    Why is that OK ?

    Its not.

    Its a “catastrophe”.

    We want our money back…NOW !

    There are nearly SIXTY MILLION refugees from THEIR “War Fraud” roaming the earth, right now.

    Why is that OK ?

    Its not,….its inconceivable “criminal” …… its “heartbreaking”.

    They need to be held to account, right away.

    This is what every single American should demand of the POTUS….today, and everyday, until justice is served…..

    …..to the fullest extent of the law.

  23. Agent76 says:

    Here is a ‘BIG’ picture view in one single link. Please store this in a file and share this with others for a single view in one link.

    A Detailed Analysis of Ten Amendments. Just How Many Constitutional Freedoms Have We Lost? How many still remain?

    The 1st Amendment protects speech, religion, assembly and the press: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/americans-have-lost-virtually-all-of-our-constitutional-rights.html

  24. Which is worse, the Jewish Left that seems hell-bent on destroying the U.S. from the inside, or the so-called right-wing conservative Jews who wish to bleed us dry by making us subservient to Israel?

    I don’t see a reason not to identify, punish and expel such people. It’s either us or them in the end.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Marcus
  25. @vinteuil

    Do a google. There are numerous sources describing Pamela Geller and what she does. So I linked to one that you don’t like?

  26. ” have your people learned nothing from history?”

    One might well ask that question of any people, with the answer in every case being, mostly not.

    I would also say that the Jewish people probably are more acutely aware of recent history in regards to their own genocide and have drawn their lessons from it, more than most, and this is reflected in Israeli policies.

    Now one could make the argument, and some Jewish people do, that some of those policies in response to the lessons are counterproductive.

    Personally, I favor the guiding principles of the Messiah Jesus, certainly no self hating Jew.

    • Replies: @dahoit
  27. Art says:
    @Sherman

    ”One of the greatest tragedies for the Palestinians is that so many of their so-called supporters around the world are motivated more by hatred of Jews”

    Say Sherm,

    You Little Jews have to be the dumbest people on the planet. When are you Little Jews going to wise up and figure out that your Big Jews are generating the justified hate that good people have for you’ll.

    I feel sorry for you little guys – you are complete suckers – they do the wrong and then leave the suffering to you little ones.

    I will say an extra prayer for you’ll tonight — Art

    p.s. My dinner mate here at the home, Moshe – knows hate – he knows the total hate of his fellow Jew tribesmen because he does not support Israel like a little lemming. He is a mensch. Why are there so few?

    • Replies: @dahoit
    , @anonymous
  28. A brilliant article, Phil, filled with lots and lots of demonstrable facts. I love the suggestion of
    “petitioning the Strategic Air Command to nuke AIPAC when it next gathers here in Washington.” When I read that I went “awright!” and punched the air. Yes, I know you stated you were not suggesting it, but I’m hoping your denial was just pro forma. Anyway, it’s a great idea. Two birds with one stone, so to speak.

  29. woodNfish says:

    I almost always learn something reading unz.com. I don’t love Israel, but I don’t love the Palestinians either, and I have never forgotten or forgiven Israel for their attack on Liberty and our sailors Israel murdered and maimed aboard that ship even though I was only in grade school when it happened.

    The Palestinians parade their children through the streets in bomb vests teaching and encouraging them to blow themselves up while murdering innocent people and Jew. Both sides are disgusting. But Pamela Geller is a brave woman who is willing to stand up and say what needs to be said, and fuck you if you don’t like it, Giraldi. As long as we have Muslims among us, they will be death and trouble. Islam is not compatible with Western society in any form. It should be eradicated with prejudice.

    • Replies: @dahoit
    , @Rehmat
    , @Blake
    , @Art
  30. Art says:
    @anonymouse

    ” Apparently they misidentified the ship as an unfriendly Soviet info gathering ship. “

    Oh my — another in your face big lie jammed down our throats – just like the Six Million Lie – when will it end? What manner of people are these Jews?

  31. dahoit says:
    @Renoman

    Citizens United was a recent addendum to the Constitution by the Zionist whore SC.
    Return to sender.
    Obomba,maybe the most tone deaf POTUS in history,wants another voice for Zion on the SC.Another enemy agent.

  32. dahoit says:
    @anonymouse

    Bombing a Soviet ship would have been more dangerous for Israel than American ship,as hindsight obviously reveals,as more aid than ever flowed to the wackos after the Liberty.Our nation is in naked thralldom to these crazies,and the world watches,cowed from amazement to complicity.

  33. biz says:
    @schmenz

    Syrian and Iraqi Christians are the victims of Israel, not the Muslims who are actually slaughtering them, got it.

    As for the “Palestinian” Arabs, in spite of who they disproportionately choose to be their outward face, less than 2% (!) are Christian and their major persecutors are their Muslim neighbors. In contrast 10% of Israeli Arabs are Christian and they are the only Christian community in the Middle East which is growing.

    • Replies: @schmenz
  34. dahoit says:
    @Art

    As antisemitism is global,the amazing lack of self introspection by Jews, as to its causes ,who are unwilling unable to fathom that it is Jews own actions that promote this anger,from their obvious character flaws,and ubiquitous support for Israel,the most corrupt and inciting bunch of kindle producing creeps in modern history,eclipsing even the nazis as thugs,and the KKK as racists,is beyond belief.
    As to Israel itself,the meme that antisemites wish its destruction is totally belied by the reality that then the objects of their antisemitism wouldn’t leave the nations that they feel the Zionists control.The hatred angle is definitely undermined by the total lack of American prejudicial actions towards American Jews of course,buy hey propaganda works.
    America is a land of immigrants,where national origins are irrelevant,and Jews are just as legitimate citizens as anyone else,but the conundrum of their dual citizen loyalties is just a harbinger of the potential danger of others(Muslims?)in this age of global neoliberalization of shifting populations who have no or little stake in our(alleged?) Enlightened Constitutional values.
    Being eroded by the original duals,the Zionists of course.
    The seeds of destruction.

  35. Rehmat says:
    @Sherman

    Hatred of Jew, you said idiot!

    Over 85% of Palestinian study Holy Qur’an and not your Talmud, which according to professor Israel Shahak is the most hateful literature in the world.

    I remember when Talmud’s first addition in Talmud was published in Arabic in 2012 – a project commissioned by anti-Iran Israel’s ally King of Jordan – Israel’s highest paid lobbyist, Abraham Foxman ($734,000 per year) cried foul. He requested King of Jordan to make sure Arabs don’t take the translation (insults to Jesus and Mary) literally.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/05/26/talmud-goes-arabic-jewish-groups-hit-the-wall/

    • Replies: @dahoit
    , @Sherman
  36. bondo says:

    the 1st amendment is meant to permit, protect lying and lies not truth.

    reason the likes of p gellar and the splc and the tv mouthers and the nyt (only news fit for jews)

    never have a problem.

    just the truth givers.

  37. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    You sound like a total idiot. Always the same trope.

    Eat your pork and beans and pray that god gives you some brain cells that work

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @Art
  38. M_Young says:

    This reminds me of a billboard put up by an immigration restrictionist picturing a young white boy, and later a version with the boy and a young black girl, that simply noted that in the kids’ lifetimes, mass immigration would drive the US population past half a billion.

    The billboards met with political threats, and were in many cases taken down.

  39. dahoit says:
    @woodNfish

    Pamela Geller is a dual citizen traitor from the 5 towns on LI,a nexus of little Israel in America.
    A corrupt piece of puss that needs antibiotic infusion.
    She spews are lie after lie.
    As far as Muslims go,they’d win the US citizenship award compared to the Zionists.
    But yes,events have shown the idiocy of uncontrolled immigration from nations that are victims of American and Zionist terror.
    Trump is the only candidate to recognize this idiocy.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
  40. dahoit says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Yes,the Zionists everywhere are shutting down the avenues of free speech as they try to stem the tide of history.
    The worm always turns eventually.

  41. Rehmat says:
    @woodNfish

    Like you, I don’t like the Israeli Jews who collaborated with Nazis in the past. But I hate the cowards like you, who have to hide their true identity behind some kosher pig to demonize Israel’s enemies.

    One of such wolves in sheep clothing is former Jewish terrorist-turned peace activist Uri Avnery. He like you claims that Israel is run by fascist – but then the con-man claimed that Iran’s former president Dr. Ahmadinejad worked for Israeli Mossad.

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/09/29/uri-avnery-ahmadinejad-was-mossad-agent/

  42. “The Jews” aren’t responsible for all the world’s ills, as some hateful nuts like to fantasize, nor are they a “Chosen People” to the extent that every other person in the world is required to genuflect to every dysfunctional whim of the political class of a foreign country.

    In the long run, “what’s good for the Jews” is also what’s good for everyone else, and that works both ways.

    Realism requires that we neither vilify nor exalt any other human beings; doing either produces grave errors in policy that aren’t easily fixed.

    “With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
  43. dahoit says:
    @Rehmat

    I’m sure you’ve seen the story of the NY judge who ruled Iran? responsible for 9-11?The Saudis then proclaimed OBL innocent!(As far as I know,he could be)
    What a twisted world.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
    , @Rabbitnexus
  44. dahoit says:
    @Anonymous

    I never read Giraldi critiquing Mammon.
    If there is a God,there is no way in hell he’d pick you as his chosen.

  45. dahoit says:
    @Rehmat

    Somewhere on the web they had a level of violence in religious texts report.Judaism,then Christianity,and then Islam in declining order.
    The truth is amazing,as it it always hidden when not part of the agenda of Israel.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  46. dahoit says:
    @Fran Macadam

    What genocide?There are more Jews than ever?
    I’m not denying CC camps,not denting wholesale death,,just denying the claim it was to be the final solution,as that is belied by reality.Zionist propaganda that enables their depredations.

  47. @Philip Giraldi

    Why would Israel attack a US ship? Please provide their reason for doing so. Where/when did they claim that they took the ship to be a WW I Egyptian horse transport?

    • Replies: @bondo
    , @hes
  48. Sherman says:
    @anonymous

    Art loves his government issued can of pork and beans. It’s his favorite food.

    He shares it with his imaginary friend Moshe – just line he shares his bed with his imaginary girlfriend.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  49. David says:

    Philip Giraldi produces one great polemic on Israel and the United States after another. It’s a credit to him that they are never vitriolic or defeatist.

  50. Wally says: • Website
    @OilcanFloyd

    There is no difference. The sleazy Zionist zebra will change it’s stripes as needed.

    It’s all about violently racist supremacist Jews maintaining their ill gotten gains & stolen freebies.

    Kudos to Giraldi, keep em’ comin’.

  51. Sherman says:
    @Rehmat

    Hey Homer

    You’re right. The Talmud is an evil book. For instance, it prohibits cohabitation between people and animals.

    Could you imagine if you were a Jew? Your poor goat would need to find someone else to satisfy his urges!

    Sherm

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Druid
    , @Rabbitnexus
  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Dear Mr, Giraldi

    Another great post, as usual!
    Just one little thing FYI… Strategic Air Command is now called U.S. Strategic Command.
    They do the same mission, I’m guessing.
    U.S. Strategic Command is the main presence on Offutt AFB, Nebraska.
    Yes, the idiots in charge are willing (or is it, coerced) into pumping billions of dollars to the land of Nuttin’yahoo0ooooo’s IDF. Meanwhile, both of Offutt’s outdoor pools are permanently closed. The base theater is closed. There isn’t enough money available to even mow all the grass.
    At least they got funds to fix the runway so military aircraft can keep landing and taking off from a real Air Force base.
    Thanks, Israel. May we humble ourselves even more in your service?

  53. Mark Green says: • Website

    Good one, Phil. It’s nearly impossible to criticize Israel except in the mildest terms. And Jews–as a people–may never be ‘stereotyped’ (unless favorably.) Yes, we may recognize and applaud the ‘gifts of the Jews’–but certainly not their plagues.

    These rigid rules of discourse on the other hand do not apply to Israel’s numerous foes. Just ask the survivors in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria, in Lebanon, in Palestine and in Iran. Are US policies fair? Of course not. But keep that to yourself. ‘Anti-Semitism shall not be tolerated!’

    With these cultural contradictions in mind, might it not be time that we did away with the toxic and manipulative concept of ‘anti-Semitism’ altogether? The term itself is a Trojan horse. It’s an automatic speech suppressor.

    ‘Anti-Semitism’ deliberately conflates thoughts and speech with aggressive, genocidal violence. This is a deliberate fallacy. And its political benefits to the usual suspects are enormous. So watch what you say. ‘Anti-Semitism shall not be tolerated!’

    But those who test this taboo and who dare to criticize world Jewry have informed and important observations to share. Yet they are routinely banished from the political process. Meanwhile, whole nations are destroyed. Is connecting these dots ‘anti-Semitic’. Absolutely.

    We therefore have two choices: 1) Remain quiet or, 2) Reject this insidious term.

    Judge people by their actions, not their uncomfortable words.

    It’s certainly fair to accuse one of disliking Jews or of mistrusting or avoiding Jews, but this condition is not a crime–nor should it be. Besides, ill-will can be cured by doing good deeds. It’s harmful political conduct that should be targeted. Yet it’s often not. The damaging impact of Jewish supremacism is allowed to proceed because that sphere of influence may not be identified for what it is. The bogus issue of ‘anti-Semitism’ is a smokescreen. It serves as a protection racket for Jewish supremacists. The very concept of ‘anti-Semitism’ is loaded with false psychiatric tags and libelous canards.

    As for resenting Jewish supremacists, individuals should be free to like or dislike whoever they choose. Jews certainly embrace that freedom for themselves–and without apology. It’s doing violence that is the crime. Let’s focus on that.

    No one–including Zionists–should be allowed to initiate violence. This goes for the Klan as well as the IDF.

    The simple rule of not initiating violence should guide political action. Once, it did. Yet Zio-Washington now embraces the supremacist doctrine of ‘preemption’. Thus, we’re locked in a series to non-essential wars that serve Israeli interests. This is a criminal enterprise.

    Incredibly, it’s bad thoughts and insensitive speech that now pose unacceptable risks on US campuses. The wars however are just swell! These are Orwellian times.

    And it is Jewish supremacism–not ‘white supremacism’–that has become acceptable in American life. The Klan and the Nazis are dead. But the Chosen People and the IDF are on the rise. Is asserting this ‘anti-Semitic’? Totally.

    A case can be made that US-based Zionists have placed nuclear Israel’s ‘security’ over and above US interests. These values pose a real danger. But it’s implicitly justified via the ideology of Jewish Supremacism. Isn’t it time then to tear this ideology down? Tear it down!

    Those who operate in high places and who put greater value Jewish life than the lives of non-Jews–and then convert this bias into public policy–carry with them a supremacist value-system. This is anathema to US interests. It is also a clear and present danger to American safety and to world safety.

    Jewish supremacists, unlike the dwindling number of white supremacists, comprise a substantial and growing percentage of the Jewish population. This has dark political consequences.

    Do any white supremacists own TV stations, major newspapers or movie studios?

    Do any white supremacists manage think tanks or deliver speeches before both houses of Congress?

    Worse still, the Jewish supremacists who guide global Jewry have acquired access to vast US military power. But the bad news doesn’t end even there.

    Jewish supremacists not only share a sense of superiority, but they are committed to dis-empowering whites who possess their own racial identity. Whites who see themselves as a distinct community (the way Jews do) are vilified. This charge fragments white culture and diminishes white influence. It therefore harms all white Americans.

    At the same time, many Jewish supremacists assign to themselves the status of supreme victim. This empowers them, protects them, and unifies their community. When non-Jewish whites reject this narrative, they are smeared as anti-Semites.

    ‘Bigotry shall not be tolerated’!

    That accusation is designed to torpedo Free Speech.

    This Jewish supremacist mindset has given way to attacks on Zionist critics such as Alison Weir. This is a direct assault on Free Speech. It is the ‘new normal’ of Jewish supremacism. Ironically, it masquerades as ‘anti-fascism’.

    Therefore, the entire ‘anti-semite’ paradigm should be trashed. It’s worse than the n-word because 1) it is not only a message of hate, but 2) it is a tool of censorship.

    This fraud is why so-called ‘anti-Semitism’ in rising. The ‘rise in anti-Semitism’ correlates perfectly with the rise in disgust at Zionist conduct. But this is perfectly rational. And it has moral clarity. But the paradigm of ‘anti-Semitism’ would claim otherwise. Our big sin–our ‘illness’–is challenging the false Zionist narrative as well as the dishonest political claptrap that goes with it. Zionists label this resistance ‘bigotry’.

    Unfortunately, an open and honest debate on these issues is the last thing that the Zionists want. ‘Anti-Semitism’ shall not be tolerated!’ So Free Speech must be managed.

    Jewish supremacism therefore endangers both liberty and justice. Special privileges–including the ‘right of preemption’–are the hallmark of Jewish supremacism. This is a stain on America. The privileges and excesses of Jewish supremacism must therefore be resisted.

    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @geokat62
  54. The vomiting of the state of Israel on the people of Palestine was the biggest geo-political disaster since WWII.

    • Replies: @Ace
  55. RobinG says:
    @Fran Macadam

    How about, we uphold our own laws, Fran? (“…neither vilify nor exalt…”)

    WILL ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS TRIGGER “LEAHY LAW”?
    Not much chance. Israel is shielded by the US Israel Lobby of devoted Israel-firsters and 5th column dual-nationals. But kudos to Hank Johnson and the 10 other brave signers for suggesting that the US might actually enforce its’ own laws.

    The Leahy Law prohibits the U.S. from providing military aid to foreign military units who commit human rights abuses, which means that some of Israel’s military aid could be cut off. Eleven lawmakers implored Secretary Kerry to determine if reports of Israeli human rights violations triggered the Leahy Law. Of course, the backlash against these lawmakers has already begun. The Israel Lobby is working hard to stop members of Congress from speaking out.

    Read the letter here, and you might want to thank your Rep. —
    http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000153-c56c-d662-a75b-cfecc6be0000

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
  56. Art says:
    @anonymous

    “You sound like a total idiot. Always the same trope.”

    Oh dear – my truthful comments are so much more interesting than your sick tribal Jew victimization trope – the Six Million Lie.

    p.s. The absolute truth is that bad people are hated because they are immoral – it is human nature.

    p.s. Lies about the deaths of the USS Liberty sailors and fine humans like Rachel Corry only dig your Jew tribe into a greater and deeper pit of hate. Fewer and fewer people believe your big lies. When they realize that they have been had – hate ensues.

    p.s. You reap what you sow.

    p.s. Proceed at your own risk.

  57. mtn cur says:

    Funny how the lebensraum syndrome creeps in no matter the time or place and always sheep dipped as self defense. Nine thousand years and one hundred miles from where I sit, one bunch of “Indians” coveted the cave dwelling occupied by another bunch and so, by the dawns early light, thumped them all on the head, tossed the corpses over the cliff and moved in. If our comedy writers were worth two cents they could write some real howlers about the Palestinian Israeli lebensraum upscuttle.

  58. Marcus says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    The Jewish left is the larger of the two, but the neokahns punch above their weight.

  59. juster says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    As a Jew I’m pretty pissed off at a lot of Jewish elites. The financial elites. The globalists. The multiculturalists. The regressive left. The Israel first crowd. Etc. You are totally right, for ordinary Jews we’ve got to start to understand that these elites are hurting us and leading to a whole new wave of anti-Semitism. While I never support the policies they promote, as an ordinary person born Jewish I get lumped in with “organized Jewish power” and get asked to defend their policies – which I don’t agree with – and I get accused of participating in some kind of conspiracy to promote white genocide – which I completely abhor.

    Kind of sucks being Jewish right now to be honest. I can’t speak for the elites but it would seem that no, they have not learned the lessons of history, except insofar as Israel does have nuclear weapons and so won’t be genocided without taking everybody else with them.

  60. Art says:
    @Sherman

    “You’re right. The Talmud is an evil book. For instance, it prohibits cohabitation between people and animals.

    Could you imagine if you were a Jew? Your poor goat would need to find someone else to satisfy his urges!”

    Sherm,

    You are finally getting me upset – leave the goats out of this. They are fine animals. They always seek the high ground.

    They are not like you Jews, who are bottom feeders – humanities tribe of ambulance casers – forever sucking on people’s troubles – churning misfortune into ever more money and power.

    Art

    p.s. Poor Moshe is going to get an earful at dinner tonight (chicken fried stake – ymm). He is a mensch – not to fear, he will settle me down.

  61. anon • Disclaimer says:

    With a “friend” like Israel, America doesn’t need any enemies.

  62. @RobinG

    “The Leahy Law prohibits the U.S. from providing military aid to foreign military units who commit human rights abuses”

    Well, it’s not enforced against any number of U.S. policy friendly dictatorships, either. There’s too much military-industrial loot at stake to observe moral niceties, let alone law.

  63. Boris says:

    The Liberty billboard demonstrates that First Amendment guaranteed freedom of speech in America is limited by how much money you have

    You don’t seem to know what the First Amendment is all about. You can’t force businesses to accept your billboards. If they breached a contract, then sue them. Whining about “initiatives that are aimed at denying first Amendment rights” just makes you look dumb.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  64. Mulegino1 says:

    Whatever one thinks of Hitler, this quotation from Mein Kampf was certainly a prophetic one:

    “It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.”

    That is precisely what Israel has become: a swindler’s paradise, an extortionist’s dream, a tourist resort for convicted fugitives.

    And to think that the German people, much more so than even the Americans, are still paying ransom to the greatest swindle and extortion racket in history.

    • Replies: @Boris
  65. Durruti says:

    Friends,

    This topic deals with the very existence of our Country. It has lost its independence. Our Republic is no more. And from LBJ, to Hollywood Obomber, and the current band of political wannabe phoney Presidents, traitors – whores, our Government is ever more bought by the Zionist Land Thieves.

    Our Republic, assassinated by the Coup d’etat in Dallas, on November 22, 1963, must be restored.

    The Dallas Coup d’etat was the first of the Modern ‘Arab Springs.’ It was carried out by the MOSSAD-CIA, Zionist Oligarchs. And 50 years later, and 4 million slaughtered in Vietnam,-2, Indonesia (1965) -1, Guatemala -100,000+, Iraq, 500,000, Syria, Libya, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Congo, Nicaragua, Sudan, Yemen, Argentina, Greece, Chile, Palestine, and a dozen other countries – later, the inflicted pain continues. The cities – infrastructure throughout the Middle East, and portions of Africa, have been devastated. And they are not finished.

    The Kennedys, ML King, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, and John Lennon, have all paid with their lives for their efforts to retain and restore our Republic. Snowden, Assange, and Manning, are in prison, imprisoned, or, in exile. The Statesman, Ron Paul, does his best from isolation land. And there are others, McKinney, and Kucinich.

    In Europe and the Middle East, there are Dieudonné, Alain Soral, Louis Laurent, Jean Marie, Marine, & the other Le Pens, and the Partisans from Novorossiya, Hezbollah, the Syrian Army, the Russian Air Corps in Syria, and others, who hold the line.

    Back in the USA – Our First amendment to our Constitution, and our entire Constitution, our Habeas Corpus, and our Honor, are worth fighting for.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles…”

    The above is a portion of the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson.

    Jefferson further explained his approach to the next generation in his letter to James Madison:

    “I set out on this ground, which I suppose to be self evident, ‘that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living’:”

    “Then I say the earth belongs to each of these generations, during it’s course, fully, and in their own right. The 2d. Generation receives it clear of the debts and incumberances of the 1st. The 3d of the 2d. and so on. For if the 1st. Could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not the living generation.”

    In 2016, Thomas Jefferson, the theoretician of the first American Revolution, would insist that the newest citizens, through self empowerment, must clean the stables and resurrect a new Republican government that will restore our freedoms and an economy of prosperity and social justice, for the long overdue second American Revolution.

    For the VISION!

    Restore our Democratic Republic!

    from the Anarchist Collective, Durruti

  66. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @juster

    Kind of sucks being Jewish right now to be honest

    is there ANY time when Jews don’t look for sympathy?

    you’ll deserve sympathy for your sucky Jewish status just as soon as Palestinians get the right of return to their own homes.

    you’ll deserve sympathy for your sucky Jewish status just as soon as the German people who have been reviled by your sucky lot have their dignity and honor restored.

    you’ll deserve sympathy for your sucky Jewish status just as soon as Jews get themselves out of US treasury, politics, and military.

    ’til then,
    Suck it up.

    PS re

    “except insofar as Israel does have nuclear weapons and so won’t be genocided without taking everybody else with them.”

    Jews have spent their entire tenure on this earth slaughtering other people then claiming victimhood for themselves.

    Run the numbers:

    How many Jews died at the hands of Persians? ZERO
    How many Persians died at the hands of Jews? 75,000 +

    How many Jews died at the hands of Egyptians? ZERO
    What befell the Egyptians at the hands of Jews? Their first-born slaughtered, their leadership killed, their treasure stolen.

    During WWI how many Jews starved to death in Germany? ZERO
    During WWI how many Germans starved to death in Germany? 800,000

    During Weimar how many Jews starved to death in Germany? ZERO
    During Weimar what was the status of Germans in Germany? Women were forced to prostitute themselves to feed their children; wounded soldiers lived on the streets.
    Meanwhile, Jews bought up German assets for pennies on the dollar and introduced debasing and degenerate forms of art and media.

    During World War II how many Jews died as a result of firebombing in Germany? ZERO
    During World War II how many Germans died as a result of Allied terror-bombing of Germany? 600,000

    After World War II what was the condition of Jews and of Jewish Palestine? Jews in Europe were sheltered in homes from which Germans were displaced; Jews were aided and supported with hundreds of thousands of dollars in aid from US taxpayers and agencies. Jewish refugees were fed and housed. Jewish Palestine experienced a massive influx of wealth and institution-building as well as development of its cities and institutions.

    Meanwhile, for more than three years AFTER Germany surrendered, German women and children were deliberately maintained on a near-starvation diet, the plan of the Jew Morgenthau.
    German pows were deliberately starved to death by the hundreds of thousands.
    German cities were reduced to rubble, part of a plan that Jews fully participated in planning and carrying out.
    German civilians were ethnically cleansed from their homelands by the millions.

    While you’re indulging your sucky Jew pity party, suck. on. this:

    Jews have pulled off large-scale slaughters of other people’s children and grandparents by the millions.

    Jews have extorted reparations for a holocaust that never happened.

    You owe us.

    We’ve got your number; we’re wise to your schemes, we’re mad as hell and the NEXT time, there will be no place for Jews to hide.

    Je suis Hezbollah!
    Je suis Iran!
    Je suis USA!

    • Replies: @Boris
    , @Trotsky
    , @Ace
    , @juster
  67. […] Average Joe The Zionists continue their outrageous behavior on behalf of Israel. […]

  68. Many countries in Europe have already had their freedom of speech abridged by the Lobby. You can be jailed if you make comments that challenge state approved history or make disparaging remarks about heads of states. For example, German comedian Jan Böhmermann could face prison for a “smear poem” against the fascist Turkish President Erdogan.

    Maybe the cast of SNL should be also charged regarding their skit on Israel:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/11/snl-lands-in-hot-water-with-anti-defamation-league-over-hagel-sketch.html

    Of course this has been going on for decades: Israeli Minister “We always use the anti-Semitism trick or bring up the Holocaust”‬

  69. DaveE says:
    @juster

    We’re patiently waiting for you “good Jews” to prove it. “Good Jew” is a self-negating concept.

    • Replies: @juster
  70. Boris says:
    @Mulegino1

    One wonders how many Hitler quotes you have ready for such an occasion as this. One is too many, fyi.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  71. Boris says:
    @anonymous

    You stupid neo-Nazis aren’t fooling anyone, you know. Feel free to follow the actions of your fuhrer when it comes to your end of life plans.

    • Replies: @Wally
  72. woodNfish says:
    @dahoit

    No, Geller tells the truth. You just don’t like it.

  73. Druid says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Absolutely, they are so smart that they turn stupid!

  74. Druid says:
    @Sherman

    I’ve noticed you Ziofascists always resort to vileness when confronted. It doesn’t work. Just shows you up for what you are!

    • Replies: @Wally
  75. Druid says:
    @juster

    Good on you. Now imagine what it must be like to be Moslem after decades of derogatory libel against them by AIPAC,etc

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
    , @OilcanFloyd
  76. Talha says:
    @juster

    I second your feelings bro. I live next to normal working-class Jewish families; they’re raising their kids like everyone else and not out to run other people’s lives. I neither lump collective guilt at your feet anymore than I lump collective guilt at any other ethnic group. Keeping on speaking up, your voice is important – it lets people know that it isn’t because Jews are in charge, but because the wrong Jews are in charge. You are an important ally – you have a better chance to help ‘clean house’ than others. You had no choice which womb bore you, just like any of us – your deeds are the crux of the matter.

    In spirit.

    • Agree: Ace
  77. @chris

    the same pathological ”tribe”.

  78. @Johnny Smoggins

    Smart as a pathological liars, in other words, not smart enough.

    … to do the right thing ….

    the central concept of intelligence.

  79. Svigor says:

    Renoman: Yes, Jews = OG Dindunuffins. Thus even arguments as silly as “slavery was legal!” are deployed on their behalf. Funny how that doesn’t get whites off the hook for anything.

  80. Svigor says:

    You stupid neo-Nazis aren’t fooling anyone, you know. Feel free to follow the actions of your fuhrer when it comes to your end of life plans.

    Back atcha. Feel free to follow the actions of your heroes at Masada.

  81. Svigor says:

    I’ve noticed you Ziofascists always resort to vileness when confronted. It doesn’t work. Just shows you up for what you are!

    You have a point. Nobody goes vile/scatological as fast as a Jew, IME. On the other hand, he has a point. Rehmat is a goat-fucker.

  82. @Boris

    Geller plays the First Amendment card, along with the “anti-Semite” card, whenever someone objects to her spewings. If it is good enough for the Israel Firsters, then it is good enough for real Americans.

    • Replies: @Boris
  83. @Boris

    Would you have complained if he had quoted Churchill, Stalin or Netanyahu? All 3 were/ are just as evil as Hitler.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Boris
  84. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Boris

    You’re my huckleberry.

    Times are a changin’.

    It’s supremacist Jews who are fooling less & less people. Their Wizard of Oz smoke & mirrors are being found out

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Also note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Real truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    , @Boris
  85. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Druid

    That is when they’re not absorbed in poo-poo & pee-pee talk.

    Take a look at Hollywood for a demonstration.

    We can live without them, they cannot live without us.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
    , @Anonymous
  86. Rehmat says:
    @dahoit

    The Most Zionists suffer from the ‘mental decease’ claimed to be hereditary among some European Jews. They’re obsessed with Muslims for blame to whitewash their own crimes against humanity.

    Zionist filth is very afraid of Iran becoming region’s largest economy – and not having a few old-fashioned nukes.

    The recent biggest joke came from Netanyahu who accused late Mufti of Palestine of twisting Hitler’s arm to kill thousands of ‘innocent’ Jews.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/10/22/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-holocaust/

  87. Trotsky says:
    @anonymous

    Case in point why jews support the left.
    At least that jewish cuck you replied to might learn goyim will hate him no matter how much he hates his own people.

    • Replies: @juster
  88. anarchyst says:

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, recreational, medical and other ancillary facilities. Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? The jewish communist Bolsheviks did just that with the non-communist civilian populations of the conquered countries in the communist orbit.

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the Nazis in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.

    The establishment of a “homeland” was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a barren land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident.

    The truth about this minor event in human history will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    It is curious to note that jewish interests will hunt down and imprison a 90 plus year-old German “camp guard” while looking the other way when their “own kind” was involved in truly brutal actions. Camp “capos” and “sonderkommandos” (who were primarily jewish) come to mind. Not one of these jewish “collaborators” has been brought to (jewish) justice. I guess blood is thicker than water.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”.
    Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Most jews will never be satisfied with knowing that those that commit evil deeds on earth in this lifetime will pay for it in the next life . . . they have taken vengeance from the Creator and appointed themselves the exacter of vengeance (in contradiction to mosaic law but not their anti-gentile talmud).

    Most jews are vengeful people that will never pass up a chance to “make a buck” by screwing a gentile (goyim) out of money or property. jews were hated in Germany for taking advantage of the non-jew Germans between the two world wars. The average German did not have a pot to piss in while his wealthy jewish neighbor was trading food for land . . . taking advantage of the jewish bankster situation in Germany.

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland” for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”.
    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing.
    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes.
    The engineering inconsistencies proves that these “death camps” were recreated for communist propaganda purposes. Germans were excellent engineers, and as such, would not have made the engineering “mistakes” that are evident.
    Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. However, the prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    After the end of WW2, these same “camps” were used to intern German civilians. These German civilians were subject to much greater deprivation and suffering than the previous “occupants” of these “camps”. In fact, jews were controlling these camps, at the behest of the Allied forces, and were vicious in their treatment of those interned. In fact, the German civilians interned were defined as “disarmed enemy combatants” despite being civilians, so that Geneva Convention rules would not apply to them.

    In fact, it was JEWS that ran the internment camps after WW2. I guess vengeance was theirs, as the Germans made the jews WORK (manual labor in the camps) for the first time in their lives…

  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    0nLiberty
    ======= FFraternite’Equalite’ https://redressone.wordpress.com/amss/
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    [[jjMcCain’s father covered up the Israeli killing of 34 Americans aboard a U.S. Navy ship during the Six-Day War of 1967. As senior naval officer for Europe and the Mediterranean, Admiral John S. McCain, Jr. helped President Lyndon Johnson deceive Americans about that little known incident involving the USS Liberty
    . . .
    Insight into the motivation for this presidential cover-up began with identifying how Lyndon Johnson allowed himself to be manip- ulated. The first clue emerged after a discussion with former Congressman Paul Findley, an 11-term Republican from Illinois (1961-1983)
    . . .

    In response to a question, Findley identified Arthur Krim as the Jewish adviser and fundraiser closest to Lyndon Johnson. Research quickly uncovered published materials on Krim written by the late Grace Halsell, a speechwriter for LBJ and later an author of books chronicling the political influence of Christian Zionists such as Jerry Falwell. Johnson personally hired Halsell, a native Texan, who, impor- tantly for this analysis, was inside the White House Situation Room during the Six-Day War. With that war, Israeli security became a priority of U.S. foreign policy and a focal point of Pentagon coordination as Tel Aviv became a favored recipient of U.S. military technology.

    After that 1967 conflict, the U.S. also emerged as a major Israeli arms supplier. Pro-Israeli advisers surrounded Johnson in the decision-making that led to the 1967 war. “Everyone around me, without exception was pro-Israel,” Halsell recalled. She identified more than a dozen close advisers to Johnson, including Walt Rostow, his national secu- rity adviser, and brother Eugene Rostow serving as under secretary of state for political affairs, and former Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg, then serving as U.S. Ambassador to theUN.

    White House counsels Leo White and Jake Jacobsen were like- wise pro-Israel as were two key speechwriters: Richard Goodwin, husband of biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Ben Wattenberg whose parents moved to the U.S. from Palestine. Likewise domestic affairs adviser Larry Levinson and John Roche, an avid Zionist and Johnson’s intellectual-in-residence.

    It was the role of Arthur Krim, however, that confirmed the lengthy pre-staging of the 1967 war and explained the orchestration that led to LBJ’s cover-up of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. A New York attorney and president of United Artists, Krim also served as finance committee chairman for the Democratic Party when Johnson was its leader and Jewish contributors accounted for more than half the funds raised
    . . .

    The Krims became regular guests at the LBJ Ranch. As Halsell explained: “There were also many instances in which Arthur and Mathilde were guests at the White House, and other times when, for many days running, Mathilde (without her husband (was a guest there. The Krims built a vacation home near the LBJ Ranch known as Mathilde’s house, and Johnson often traveled there by helicopter.”

    As with Morgenthau’s proximity to Roosevelt, the Krims’ prox- imity to Johnson ensured that their friendship flourished when the Senate majority leader became John F. Kennedy’s surprise pick as Vice President and then succeeded him to the Presidency following Kennedy’s assassination in November 1963.

    Over the 1967 Memorial Day weekend, the Krims were house- guests at the LBJ Ranch when the commander-in-chief learned of Soviet Premier Aleksei Kosygin’s warning that “if Israel starts military action, the Soviet Union will extend help to the attacked party.” While waiting for the State Department to draft a response to Israeli Prime Minister Levi Eshkol, Johnson and the Krims drove to a neighbor’s home where an aide brought the message for the president’s review. Halsell described the changes that LBJ made to the message while in the Krims’ company (to explain America’s perspective on the pending conflict:..

    > Johnson’s Kosygin-prompted note to Levi Eskhol, written in the presence of Arthur and Mathilde Krim, suggests that … Tel Aviv could preempt provided the Amer- ican public could be induced to believe that Israel was the victim and not the aggressor, a strategy fully consistent with game theory.

    Johnson then traveled to New York for a $1,000-a-plate fundraiser on June 3 sponsored by Arthur Krimwho chaired the President’s Club of New York. Mathilde was seated next to Johnson when Abe Feinberg, the American Zionist community’s legendary political fundraiser, leaned over Mathilde’s shoulder and whispered: “Mr. Pres- ident, it [Tel Aviv’s attack] can’t be held any longer. It’s going within the next 24 hours.”
    . . .
    Israel was neither under attack nor under threat of attack as Israeli commanders later conceded. The air raid sirens were props in the stagecraft of waging war by way of deception.
    The circumstances were stage-managed to make both Israelis and foreign observers believe the Jewish state was endangered while Tel Aviv annexed land belonging to its neighbors that it still occupies four decades later
    . . .
    In the war’s first few hours, the “victimized” Israelis destroyed the Egyptian Air Force while its aircraft were still on the ground. By evening, the Jordanian Air Force was also largely destroyed. Walt Rostow sent Johnson a memo describing Tel Aviv’s military success as “the first day’s turkey shoot.” LBJ also received a memo that day from Arthur Krimthat read, “Many arms shipments are packed and ready to go to Israel, but are being held up. It would be helpful if these could be released.” Johnson ordered the arms shipped. By the evening of the second day, two-thirds of Syria’s air force had been destroyed
    . . .

    On June 8, 1967, Israeli jets attacked the USS Liberty, a 455-foot vessel, firing 30 mm aircraft cannons and rockets and dropping napalm. Three Israeli torpedo boats then attacked the ship with 20 mm cannons, 50-caliber machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo blew a 39-foot hole in a former cargo hold of this refurbished WWII Liberty ship that had its cargo space converted to research facilities for an intelligence team. The blast killed 25 and left the ship listing nine degrees to starboard.

    Liberty crewmembers testified that Israeli torpedo boats fired onfirefighters and stretcher-bearers. Israeli machine gunners also strafed the ship’s fire hoses and destroyed its life rafts at close range as survivors sought to douse fires and evacuate those most grievously wounded. The attackers killed 34 and wounded 174 of a crew of 294 for a 70% casualty rate
    . . .

    Those seeking a reason for Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty . . . ]]

    http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com.au/2008/10/john-mccain-sr-uss-liberty-treason-and.html

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  90. @anarchyst

    prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    FYI, the laws governing the practice of Engineering are fairly uniform across all states of the USA. If you don’t think they are enforced, just hang out a shingle and start a practice. You will likely hear from your State Board in pretty short order.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well, SAC was dissolved in 1992, so you’d have to ask someone else. Not that it’s a bad idea. Chain of command stuff.

  92. […] The UNZ Review: Israel’s Friends Against the First Amendment. Criticism of Israel becomes a c… […]

  93. mad1 says:

    @another fred said
    FYI, the laws governing the practice of Engineering are fairly uniform across all states of the USA. If you don’t think they are enforced, just hang out a shingle and start a practice. You will likely hear from your State Board in pretty short order.

    I spent my career in the welding supply business in Texas. My company did business with a metal
    fabrication shop for two generations that went by the name “*********** Engineering” they had been in business for 30 -40 years when the State Board showed up in “pretty short order”…….true story.

  94. uslabor says:
    @Sherman

    I disagree, it is only because of the mistreatment of the Palestinians that I know of the evil of the Israeli government. I know there are Jewish people fighting for the rights of the Palestinians. You are trying to smear supporters of Palestinians with the stain of Antisemitism.

  95. Svigor says:

    Case in point why jews support the left.
    At least that jewish cuck you replied to might learn goyim will hate him no matter how much he hates his own people.

    The guy above who mentioned Jewish lack of introspection hit the nail on the head. Least introspective people on the planet, after you correct for IQ (most smart peoples are far more introspective than Jews).

    They not only lack internal limits, they’re also quite bigoted and aggressive, so they assail all external critics, too.

    Which means obviously self-serving vehicles for malfeasance like “the world has done us wrong,” “never again,” “they’ll always hate us,” etc., continue to survive in their rather ugly, backward culture.

    • Replies: @juster
  96. “Hillary Clinton has explicitly promised to do all in her power to oppose BDS.”

    But yet these same people boycott Mississippi. Perhaps Mississippi should boycott the Union.

  97. anarchyst says:
    @another fred

    …you are correct…however, at the time, not all engineering was required to be done under license. Mr. Leuchter’s specialty, execution machinery design, was not covered by licensing law. The law was “stretched” by the “chosen” to harass Mr. Leuchter…
    Regards,

  98. DaveE says:
    @anarchyst

    Brilliant comment, one of the best I’ve ever read. Truth is a bitch for those who “abideth not” in it.

  99. Disgusting state of perversions and hatred. Israel and all it’s subhuman supporters going to hell.

  100. Ace says:
    @anonymous

    Juster’s number is not the one you think it is. Dial another one.

    He’s really not personally responsible for the slaughter of any Persians more than 2,000 years ago. Or for anything Jews did in Weimar.

  101. Blake says:
    @chris

    That never went unnoticed

    Excerpt from: – Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism, and the Politics of Identity By Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke
    “Lothrop Stoddard, the leading racial theorist of the interwar period, had described two races of Jews. The “aristocratic” Sephardic Jews, who had entered the Mediterranean world, were the genuine Semites. However, the Ashkenazic Jews were a mixture of diverse bloods, whose features reflected intermarriage with the Hittites. These eastern Jews had migrated into southern Russia, where they then blended with the Khazars, whom Stoddard regarded as a combination of Turkish and Mongoloid peoples.

    By the 1960s, the Khazar ancestry of the Jews was a firm article of faith. Two books, widely read in this milieu, came to exercise a strong influence in this regard. John Beaty’s Iron Curtain over America (1951) focused especially on the roots of Russian Jewry. He claimed that the reforms of Czar Alexander II gave the “Judaized Khazars,” who had converted in the seventh century, the opportunity to infiltrate and corrupt Russia. Wilmot Robertson’s Dispossessed Majority (1972) repeated the Khazar thesis of Stoddard. Christian Identity teachings readily seized on this negative reference to Russian Jewry, but backdated Jewish intermarriage with the Khazars into biblical times.

    In A Short History of Esau-Edom in Jewry (1948), the Vancouver writer C. F. Parker had claimed that a tiny remnant of “true Judah” was pitted against a larger group of Idumean-Hittites who masqueraded as the true seed of Abraham and sought to expel the descendants of Jacob. These Esau-Hittites are the Ashkenazim, concentrated in Eastern and Central Europe and America. The old religious language also lent itself to new political contexts. Edom meant “red,” and Parker hinted that most Russian communist revolutionaries were descendants of Esau-Edom, an association also repeated by others, including Howard Rand and Wesley Swift.”

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  102. @Sherman

    Allow me to relate my experiences Mr Hasbara Sherman. I see you are suffering from a hate deficit here and I would be glad to offer to make up the shortfall.

    Poor little hater, you’re surrounded by folks who don’t wish to oblige your sick paranoia. Allow me to intervene with some genuine hatred of my own. I don’t really profess hatred, but you’re a simple beast with few options outside hate and lust) in fact what I feel for you is similar to what I feel when I see aphids on my roses. Sort of unclean and disgusting and obviously crippling to health but too un-evolved for hatred to rise up. I was a Christian Zionist. A Mormon in fact when growing up. I was by default one of the suckers who bought your lies. I got over it. I discovered that not only are Jews not what they claim, but that Khazars are the enemies of humanity and that far from being wicked, Islam is the antidote for the Pharisaic Jewish pestilence. I became a Muslim. I see the self projecting lies told about this religion by the Talmudist stain, yourselves, and I reject it as the lies of demons and their kin. I have discovered that many Hasbarats like yourself are literally demons in possession of human bodies and the revulsion I hold for you and all your kind is the same as an decent human will feel around demons. I am a Palestinian supporter and I also care more about the truth than being right myself. I have been served up everything your kind can dish out, threats, slander. sly attempts to pervert my children and direct attacks against the character and safety of my children, by creatures like you. Despite my peacefully oriented attitude (made more peaceful by Islam’s gentle directives) I hold your kind in abject contempt. You and your kind I would have rounded up and imprisoned for the remaining terms of your lives. I’d not sink to the subhuman levels of your kind, no need for violence against you, but I would cage you and allow you to safely wait out your time before being sent back to the abyss from whence you came. You are vile. You are a supporter of hatred, lies and perversion. Israel and hence your cause. is a paedophile state, a slave trading, terrorist thieving state and I wish you and all your kind the worst suffering imaginable and that you may suffer thusly for eternity for your outright evil. May Allah have no mercy upon your kind. May you be made to suffer all you have meted out to others and then once and for all to be shut off like a candle. forever. I want you not merely dead Sherman, I want you removed from existence, dismantled atom by atom and totally wiped from the cosmic consciousness, except as it’s antithesis and justly avoided.

    • Replies: @juster
    , @Ace
    , @Sherman
    , @OLD JEW
  103. @Rehmat

    Hilariously they link claims from Jews in Iran. Iranian Jews are the oldest standing Jewish community on the planet and despite endless bribes and pressure they refuse to abaondon their Iranian nation. Iranian Jews who have left Iran for Israel are the handful of criminals from their community that is all. Israel is nothing but a criminal hideout as such. A haven for international paedophiles, fraudsters and war criminals.

  104. @schmenz

    AND JEWISH! Some Palestinians were/are Jews too. The Jews were never expelled from Palestine by the Romans the way lying Zionists try to claim. ONLY the Pharisees, the Talmudist perverts as such were expelled. The majorioty of Jews in Palestine have since become Christian and Muslim but those who did not, rejected the plans of modern Jews to come to their lands too. Today Palestinian Jews are as poorly treated as any other NON Ashgkenazim convert Jews, which 95% of today’s Jews are, which means they are NOT JEWS AT ALL, JUST A BUNCH OF EASTERN EUROPEAN FAKES AND FRAUDSTERS.

    • Replies: @biz
    , @5371
    , @Rehmat
  105. @Wally

    yes that’s an important point. Whether it indicates an immature people who still find fascination in the contents of their diapers, or a perverse and immeasurably sick race who need to be corralled and re-educated for their own sakes, the Jewish obsession with human bodily functions and it’s products is disturbingly obvious. Its an important point because so many phony intellectuals think they can quote Jewish “INTELLECTUALS” without appearing to be candidates for intervention such as incarceration for their mental state.

    Jewish intellectuals, are just Jews who have found some sort of meaning in playing with their own excreta.

  106. @Wally

    If you’re so sure of your belief, then why don’t you answer the questions put to you. Here they are again:

    It seems to me you’re forgetting another country that broke away from the dominant financial system: the USSR. It seems to me that if you leave Jewish policy out of the discussion, you have fairly parallel systems.

    Concentration camps for political dissidents? Check

    Secret police? Check

    Single party state? Check

    Authoritarian dictator? Check

    Seems to me the key difference is Jewish policy. What am I missing?

  107. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Boy, if only there was a cinematic historian that we could consult about this topic…

  108. @Sherman

    yet your Talmud encourages sex between Jewish men and 3 year old girls.

    Heh Sherm, you and the pestilent religion you rode in on are verminous.

  109. @Sherman

    It must be good to be a Jew, and know your partner is Satan himself. So Shermy, do you expect to be pitcher or receiver on your wedding night?

  110. @dahoit

    Saudis are loyal to their Rothschild masters (without whom they and their nasty Wahhabi parasitic twin would be extinct) and they had little to do with 9/11 due to being good for nothing in reality. Israel did 9/11.

  111. @Druid

    That’s the thing. Muslims are fairly ambivalent. We’ve faced nothing but lies and slander from the West since the Crusades, why would it change now? Islam is bigger than this. Bigger than Jews, bigger than humanity and it is those who waste their limited chance trying to push against the truth who should be pitied. Rather than have their culture of licentiousness and perversions challenged, the beast people would rather attract the disenfranchised to a violent alternative, that is Takfirisim, but Takfiris (ISIS) are not from within the breast of Islam, but from the arseholes of it’s enemies.

  112. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Come on Phil. I know I’m a bit harsh and not a trifle impolite, but since when has politeness or gentleness done anything in this cause? You know I’m your mate and nothing will shift me from your side. Let my comments through and let those recalcitrant vermin suck eggs.

  113. juster says:
    @DaveE

    Yeah, better give up any Israeli medical tech you use, just for starters. Good luck with that.

  114. juster says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    …. and that’s why Israel has, and will continue to have, nuclear weapons.

  115. juster says:
    @Trotsky

    I don’t hate my own people Trotsky. I want them to live harmoniously in the societies they live within and in Israel. I can be critical but there is no self-hatred.

    But yeah, that was an incredibly demented response by anonymous. It is helpful to remember the sheer insanity, paranoia, and hatred driving most contemporary anti-Semites. It pretty much did what you thought. If that’s the other side, no point in trying to even have a discussion. Apparently I’m personally responsible for all sorts of atrocities. Gee, how do I get to sleep at night.

    • Replies: @Art
  116. juster says:
    @Svigor

    Freaky how when people describe you as ugly, backwards, demons, bloodthirsty killers etc. you tend to get a tad defensive. No idea how that could possibly happen.

  117. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @vinteuil

    Hi. Did that earn you much? I’m just wondering since Rosthchildlandia pays good money for people to write what you do, how much did they pay for this bit of feeble propaganda? I’m genuinely interested. You see most hasbarats are mindless drones and their comments could be posted by robots. Yours was sort of subtle. By rejecting the allies ascribed to you and tried to garner more credibility. Trouble is you’re still representing absolute lies and war crimes.

    Only a complete numbskull or a disingenuous hasbarat would question as you have. Anyway Heimy, it’s no problem, because you’ll be getting sent to hell along with the rest of the demons, you scuzbucket.

  118. juster says:
    @anonymous

    You might want to see a psychologist about all that.

  119. Ace says:
    @Bill Jones

    No people on earth have a right to any land they cannot steal or defend. However, Israel is not the issue.

    I have little love for Muslims but understand that some are angry that Israel moved into the neighborhood. But do I give a damn about what they feel? No. Every Muslim country in the M.E. involved far worse in their conquest for the original Christians and other infidel inhabitants than any “Palestinians” experienced.

    The biggest geo-political disaster since WWII appears to be the determination of organized Jewry in the West to jam multiculturalism and mass immigration down the throats of Whites for the reasons Prof. MacDonald has proposed.

    I can think of no other plausible reason to explain the madness of Adelson, Gelbaum, the ADL, the loathsome Barbara Spectre and George Soros, and other Jewish open borders fanatics and subversives. Ben Stein and Mark Levin never cease saying how well Jews are treated yet the former group seem to proceed as though new concentration camps are only hours away from being built.

    This is such a patently ludicrous “fear” as to make me doubt MacDonald’s theory and think that Mark Green’s Jewish supremacism (above) is really what’s at work. Perhaps that’s just a manifestation of the contempt for Christians that appears to be in the Talmud.

    As Green argues, it’s impossible to get an honest discussion of this. Jewish Bolsheviks murdered millions but good luck raising that for discussion a la the USS Liberty.

    Similarly, Solzhenitsyn’s book on Jews in Russia appears destined never to be published in English.

    The aggressive use of the slur of “anti-Semitism” and the extreme measures taken to shut down examination of Israeli or domestic Jewish activities is clear evidence that organized Jewry think there is a lot to hide. The attack on Diana West was bizarre but, IMO, understandable as her book was about the enormous influence communists had in American government. If that proposition were to stand revealed as starkly as it did at her hands then very hard questions would have to be asked about the inordinately disproportionate representation of Jews in the ranks of 1930s American communism and their commitment to America.

    The destruction of Europe and the U.S. being pursued with such energy is not explicable by positing stupidity as its cause. Rather it is clear that it is caused by a terrible viciousness and distilled evil that seeks the end of Western civilization. Who is causing this is not being discussed. Merkel’s “European values” is just hogwash.

  120. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We really have to stop letting 1 and 2 percent minorities set policy in this country. Then again, it’s us that keep taking our signs down, while we continue to let theirs be displayed, in droves. Double standards for double stupid people. Maybe the Jew is right about you goy after all.

  121. Ace says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    I wouldn’t make any PSAs about the wonders of gentle Islam if I were you.

  122. @Chris Mallory

    one is still alive and spreading his evil.

  123. bondo says:
    @Anonymouse

    why do you try to waste someone’s time with deliberate BS questions?

    forgot. you get shekels.

    when margolis was good

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/04/Liberty_Margolis.html

    • Replies: @tbraton
  124. Kiza says:

    How about Israel exporting weapons to the Rwandan regime during its genocide in 1994 and in contravention of the UN embargo?

    It appears that Israeli establishment can do any crime on the planet and get away with it. Above morality, above law, above principles, just make money any dirtiest way you can find.

    Maybe this is why the majority of the World is against Israel and why totally innocent Jews, some good guys, may one day pay for this.

    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.713907

  125. Boris says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Pamela Geller is a huge scumbag, so I don’t know why you’d want to act like her.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  126. Boris says:
    @Wally

    scientifically impossible frauds

    You are as bad at science as you are at history. Take your neo-Nazi crap somewhere else.

    • Replies: @Wally
  127. Boris says:
    @Chris Mallory

    No, Churchill and Netanyahu are not as evil as Hitler. Don’t be stupid.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  128. biz says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Every shred of genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence says you’re wrong, but don’t let that stop you.

  129. @anonymouse

    ” Israel paid compensation. Apparently they misidentified the ship as an unfriendly Soviet info gathering ship. This was during their 1967 war. So?”

    “Israel paid compensation.” So???

    “Apparently they misidentified the ship as an unfriendly Soviet info gathering ship. ”

    What evidence do you have that this is so???

    “This was during their 1967 war.” So?

  130. Boris says:

    The fixation on the USS liberty is, as these comments illustrate, highly associated with Holocaust denial and Neo-Nazism. It’s not a particularly interesting event to Americans in general.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @bondo
  131. @Boris

    If the issue were ever discussed, I don’t think most Americans would be very happy with Israel and her supporters. As usual with Israel and Jewish power, the issue is that it isn’t supposed to be widely or honestly discussed, not that Americans have honestly and thoroughly discussed the Liberty bombing, with all of the information, and just don’t care.

    I would guess that the large number of “Americans” who were born elsewhere probably wouldn’t care, but they are mostly Americans in name only.

    Boris, your opinion means nothing.

    • Replies: @Boris
  132. @Johnny Smoggins

    In fact a lot of Jewish folk who opposed the various Zionists projects from the beginning as well as many today have similar valid concerns about “being hated all over again.”

    Any large group has to contend with such frauds; think “RINOs” for instance.

    “So I would say that the past century’s drive to urge all the world’s Jews to settle in the one small territory of Israel has not been particularly “Jewish,” as such attempts to realize the goal of Zionism have violated the very moral teachings of Judaism (and Christianity)…”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/scott-lazarowitz/why-im-not-a-zionist/

  133. Boris says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Americans don’t care because it’s an event from 50 years ago and the evidence that Israel attacked the Liberty intentionally is extremely flimsy.

    And it’s your opinion that means nothing. Literally nobody important cares about this incident anymore.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @schmenz
  134. bondo says:
    @Boris

    jew pressure keeps knowledge of the jew attack on the uss liberty from the american citizens.

    holocaust denial is the denial of truth by jews.

    churchill is worse than the real hitler not the jew created fictional character.

    benyammerin nuthinyahoo is part of jewry. jewry is the real hitler. the hitler created in their fevered, demented minds. their hitler is modeled after themselves.

    • Replies: @Boris
  135. Please POST the following article by James Petras “Trump ‘the fascist’ ” to see who is really the fascist candidate at this election.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/04/trump-the-fascist/

    The zionist stooges, BLACK AND WHITE who has pussy must be exposed all over the world to wake up the black tribe who vote as they are ORDERED like sheeps.

  136. Boris says:
    @bondo

    JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!

    Do you cry when you think about Hitler’s suicide? I hope you do.

    • Replies: @bondo
  137. juster says:

    Being new here, and seeing that the comments are moderated, I thought this would be a place for intelligent conversation. It seems more like a mental institution. Is this par for the course or only where Jews (or is it Jooooos, or (((Jews)))) and Israel are discussed?

    It would be nice for Jews and anti-Semites of the more reasonable and intelligent, non-raving lunatic variety to be able to discuss things, but I guess that’s too high of an expectation.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Talha
    , @Talha
  138. Sherman says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Hey Steve

    Sorry you feel this way about me.

    Can’t we just be pals?

    🙂

    Sherm

  139. @juster

    It would be nice for Jews and anti-Semites of the more reasonable and intelligent, non-raving lunatic variety to be able to discuss things, but I guess that’s too high of an expectation.

    and there you have it:

    there are two categories of political discussion, as stated by juster, a self-identified Jew:

    –Jews (i.e. the correct pov)

    –antisemites (i.e. the evil, bigoted, racist pov)

    juster is not original.
    Gilad Atzmon said it first

    what Jews do is control the discourse.

    • Replies: @juster
  140. Talha says:
    @juster

    Dear juster,

    Don’t mind the noise – that’s just the internet – you can’t avoid that anywhere. Take it from a Muslim guy – you’ll get a lot of nonsense your way. My suggestion, stick with responding to people that bring some intelligence – nay, wisdom is the better term – whether you agree with them or not. Hell, I learned a bunch from old Greasy since we were both willing to dialog – and he is a self-declared extremist Jew. You may walk away the wiser and with some friends.

    Though it does take a toll on you. I’m in a kind of self-imposed exile due to it. But I had to respond to your earlier post because I saw how others responded. You offered a hand in friendship, understanding and solidarity and it was slapped away by people; that is obscene in my book. For these people, I would suggest you respond with a simple message that they should not expect a response unless they are willing to engage in proper civil discourse.

    Our gracious host, Mr. Unz, has thrown a banquet of ideas and opinions. We are all guests. To arrogate to oneself the right to demean and otherwise abuse the other guests when they have shown nothing but civility is, again, obscene. To them, I say; throw your own banquet – you deserve the company of those who attend.

    Last tip (from experience), you are going to be in a position of disadvantage due to your background. Opinion will count for little and will be dismissed by many. Cite and footnote your claims with solid sources and, even if the haters don’t respect you, others with open intellects will appreciate your contributions.

    Welcome…friend.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    • Replies: @juster
  141. @Boris

    Boris, it’s obvious that you aren’t an American, but you likely do understand how most Americans would view Israel if the discussion were held.

    I have no desire to go into a deep discussion to prove the obvious fact that the Liberty attack was carried out on purpose to someone who is purposely denying the solid evidence that the attack was carried out on purpose.

    And claiming that Americans wouldn’t care because the attack took place fifty years ago is wishful thinking on your part. I only wish we could get away from the politics of fifty, eighty or one hundred and fifty years ago.

    • Replies: @Boris
  142. Talha says:
    @juster

    And of course…here’s my internet noise…

    For obvious phonetic reasons, your handle immediately brings up this scene in my head:

    Back to silence…

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  143. juster says:
    @Talha

    Thanks you Talha. Excellent advice. As the Stoic Seneca said “avoid feasting with low people.” That’s what I’ll do.

    • Replies: @Talha
  144. juster says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Not at all. I’m eager for discussions with those who have anti-Semitic views based on empirical evidence and theory, say like the Kevin MacDonald varieties, and can approach the issue from a detached, scholarly, and civil perspective. Just not the crazies.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  145. bondo says:
    @Boris

    not much of a reply

    the shekel corps’ response notes empty?

    maybe you and your cubicle mates busy killing olive trees

    olive trees have long, true memories. they know the jews are fakes, frauds, pretenders as do the palestinians. so jews need to exterminate both.

    • Replies: @Boris
  146. Talha says:
    @juster

    One last thing…

    Be mindful of the ladies here – meaning, treat them as such. They are definitely in the minority here, but – from what I have seen – their presence tends to serve a very useful purpose in civilizing some of the more brutish impulses in others. The gift of the feminine in life as well as anonymous chat forums.

    Peace.

  147. geokat62 says:
    @juster

    Not at all. I’m eager for discussions with those who have anti-Semitic views based on empirical evidence and theory, say like the Kevin MacDonald varieties, and can approach the issue from a detached, scholarly, and civil perspective. Just not the crazies.

    I reject your use of the term “anti-Semitic” in the above sentence. While Unz, no doubt, has its share of anti-semites, the lion’s share of the regular commenters here have nothing against the Jewish people for who they are… they, rather, take issue with what a small minority of them do. That said, I’d recommend, going forward, replacing the term “anti-Semitic” with “anti-Zionist.”

    That aside, if you’re eager for discussions based on “empirical evidence and theory,” have you had the opportunity to read the following documents:

    1. PNAC’s A Clean Break
    2. The Oded Yinon Plan, A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s
    3. Mearsheimer and Walt, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy

    If you have, I’m sure you’ll agree that these seminal documents should form the basis of any meaningful conversation regarding this topic.

    • Replies: @juster
  148. 5371 says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    [ONLY the Pharisees, the Talmudist perverts as such were expelled.]

    Not even they were expelled from anywhere but the city of Aelia Capitolina, formerly Jerusalem. And even from there, not for very long.

  149. Art says:
    @juster

    It is helpful to remember the sheer insanity, paranoia, and hatred driving most contemporary anti-Semite … yada … yada … yada … Apparently I’m personally responsible for all sorts of atrocities.

    juster,

    Hmm – some truth:

    It is helpful to remember the sheer insanity, paranoia, and hatred driving most contemporary Jews.

    Little Jew juster – clearly that defines YOU!

    Art

    p.s. And yes atrocities – for starters, as an active tribe, Jew people are responsible for bringing communism to power and bringing the Nazis to power after WWI.

    p.s. And you Jew have not finished your work of totally indebting America to your Big Jew bankers – but it is just a matter of time. (Is Bubbles Greenspan going to be next to Mordecai in Jew greatness?)

    p.s. Tell us Little Jew – does it warm your heart knowing that you are a small part of the Jew god’s work?

  150. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Boris

    And your ‘holocau$t’ hasbara crap is what you are afraid to debate.

    You have no chance in a no name calling debate and know it.

    Take your Jewish supremacist lies somewhere else.

    http://www.codoh.forum.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship.

    What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth?

    Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  151. @Druid

    The odd thing about Palestinians and other Muslims is that when they do come to the West, they usually join forces with lefty Jews against their hosts. I can’t imagine a Muslim in the U.S. or Europe protesting against illegal immigration or the destruction of the traditional culture and demographics. They support it!

    I’m completely against U.S. policy in the Mideast and Israeli/Jewish influence on the U.S., but I don’t see any reason to care about the Palestinians, or any other victims of Israel, when they gladly work with lefty Jews and their allies in my own country against me. All they care about is Palestine, and all I care about is the U.S.

  152. @Wally

    Really? It seems to me that a person posting the same bullshit over and over again, with links to another forum, is the person afraid of a real debate.

    • Replies: @Wally
  153. Rurik says:
    @juster

    Israel does have nuclear weapons and so won’t be genocided without taking everybody else with them.

    you sound like you’re praising that mentality

  154. Blake says:
    @woodNfish

    The Palestinians parade their children through the streets in bomb vests teaching and encouraging them to blow themselves up while murdering innocent people and Jew.

    No doubt you get that from the impostors propaganda who claim its because they are ‘Jewish’ the Palestinians dont like their occupiers and oppressors. My did you believe the Afrikaner boer racist who claimed blacks wanted to drive the whites into the sea during apartheid era in South Africa?

    • Replies: @woodNfish
  155. woodNfish says:
    @Blake

    Take off your blinders. The Palestinians are not saints. Yasser Arafat was terrorist butcher who threw a wheelchair bound amerikan over board to drown. The children parading through the streets in bomb vests is documented on the web if you want to look for it.

    • Replies: @Art
  156. schmenz says:
    @biz

    biz,

    if it were not for the atrocious policies of expulsion, confiscation and murder by the Zionist madmen, there would be no Muslim backlash. Pre-1948 Palestine was a different place before the ethnic cleansers arrived.

    As for your second paragraph, tell all that to the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem (They have a website). Perhaps they can help instruct you on the realities.

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
  157. Art says:
    @woodNfish

    The Palestinians parade their children through the streets in bomb vests teaching and encouraging them to blow themselves up while murdering innocent people and Jew.

    After all that the Jew have done in Palestine – it is astounding how they can turn themselves into being the victims of the Palestinians.

    What filthy dishonest minds the Jews have – they have NO moral conscience – period.

  158. @Boris

    They are both mass murdering scumbags. Evil is evil, it does not come in degrees.

    • Replies: @Boris
  159. Art says:
    @woodNfish

    The (Palestinian) children parading through the streets in bomb vests is documented on the web if you want to look for it.

    Really – when in the last ten years has a Palestinian child killed a Jew using a bomb vest.

    What month in the last ten years has an Israeli NOT murdered a Palestinian child?

    What a Jew jerk you are!

    • Agree: Kiza
  160. @Boris

    Oh, I agree she is a scumbag . She should be deported to Tel Aviv. But I was pointing out the hypocrisy so common among The Tribe.

  161. schmenz says:
    @Boris

    ” Literally nobody important cares about this incident anymore.”

    I guess, then, that we unimportant people will still have to care about it.

  162. @Philip Giraldi

    ” . . . It was a deliberate attempt to sink the ship and kill everyone on board.”

    No shit.

    The concentrated nature of the attack–involving both air and surface units–proves it was anything but “accidental.” And what about the machine-gunning of survival gear in the water?! . . .

    Naval history is replete with mistaken attacks, of course. During WW2, the submarine U.S.S. SEAWOLF was sunk by the destroyer escort U.S.S. ROWELL. And Swordfish torpedo bombers from H.M.S. ARK ROYAL mistakenly attacked light cruiser SHEFFIELD, the latter being in the vicinity of BISMARCK. But these were genuine errors under combat circumstances.

    Nothing “mistaken” about the Zionist entity’s attack on LIBERTY. . . .

    • Replies: @Ace
  163. juster says:
    @geokat62

    The anti-Semitism throughout these comments is not exactly hidden. It’s everywhere. It’s not even mainly about Israel or Zionism, and it’s not of the “informed critique” of a small group variety, it’s just crazed hate-filled ranting. Look at the nutjob above calling me “Little Jew” and the other poster comparing Jews to vermin, and the one who said we should all be incarcerated… etc. Totally pointless talking to these people. So, no, when I say “anti-Semitic” that’s exactly what I mean. I certainly wish you were correct though. As for the articles you mention, I have read Mearsheimer and Walt only. I found it about 50% convincing.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @geokat62
  164. Svigor says:

    Freaky how when people describe you as ugly, backwards, demons, bloodthirsty killers etc. you tend to get a tad defensive. No idea how that could possibly happen.

    Funny how when you’re impenetrable to criticism and have no intention of doing the right thing, you have to leaven someone’s actual criticism (“ugly, backward culture”) with lies (demons, bloodthirsty killers, etc.).

  165. Svigor says:

    Besides, Jews have been producing tendentious, hostile critique of white culture for generations now, and whites are all lined up to say how much they love the Jews. So much for your supposed connection.

  166. @5371

    “You really think Israel would have dared to attack a Soviet ship?”

    If Israel had attacked a Russian ship, then Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin would probably have put a major hurtin’ on Israel’s ass.

  167. Svigor says:

    Jews are, in the main, impenetrable to critique because of their personality profile (with their ethnocentrism being most salient here). Their excuses after the fact (“you called us names”) are just the flimsy excuse.

    “I’m going to keep stealing, because you called me a thief” doesn’t really wash.

    • Agree: Kiza
  168. Svigor says:

    Americans don’t care because it’s an event from 50 years ago and the evidence that Israel attacked the Liberty intentionally is extremely flimsy.

    Thought you were talking about the Holocaust for a second there.

    It would be nice for Jews and anti-Semites of the more reasonable and intelligent, non-raving lunatic variety to be able to discuss things, but I guess that’s too high of an expectation.

    No Jew would never, ever, ever pull a trick as dirty as trolling as a psychotic anti-Semite to control the narrative.

    Take off your blinders. The Palestinians are not saints. Yasser Arafat was terrorist butcher who threw a wheelchair bound amerikan over board to drown. The children parading through the streets in bomb vests is documented on the web if you want to look for it.

    Blacks weren’t saints when the Jews joined them to ram through the leftist authoritarian “civil rights” laws. Blacks are even less saints now, but here are the Jews, still taking their side, whitewashing them in the media, etc.

    Remove the beams from your own eyes, Jews.

    • Replies: @Boris
  169. Svigor says:

    What genocide?There are more Jews than ever?
    I’m not denying CC camps,not denting wholesale death,,just denying the claim it was to be the final solution,as that is belied by reality.Zionist propaganda that enables their depredations.

    You don’t seem to understand. The Holocaust is a Holy Narrative. You can’t go denying this part or that. Either the whole thing is Holy and Revered, or none of it is.

  170. Svigor says:

    The anti-Semitism throughout these comments is not exactly hidden. It’s everywhere. It’s not even mainly about Israel or Zionism, and it’s not of the “informed critique” of a small group variety, it’s just crazed hate-filled ranting. Look at the nutjob above calling me “Little Jew” and the other poster comparing Jews to vermin, and the one who said we should all be incarcerated… etc. Totally pointless talking to these people. So, no, when I say “anti-Semitic” that’s exactly what I mean. I certainly wish you were correct though. As for the articles you mention, I have read Mearsheimer and Walt only. I found it about 50% convincing.

    I skip Art’s comments. What does that tell you?

    As for convincing you, let me just say, if convincing Jews to stop their malfeasance is the only solution, we’re screwed. Peoples of the type (i.e., southwest Asian psychological profile) do not work that way. You apply force to get them to stop, period. Jews will stop when other groups force them to, and not before. There is no angle in convincing Jews of anything. Waiting for the Jewish conscience to kick in is waiting for something that doesn’t really work that way.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @juster
  171. OLD JEW says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Obviously you are an idiot.

    Nevertheless the insult Hasba-RATS (if you invented it)
    is ingenious.

  172. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1385281

    http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1385017

    http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1385144

    http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1385289

    http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1386099 @jacque sheete

    http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1386639

    Foxbats over Dimona: The Soviets’ Nuclear Gamble in the Six-Day War by Isabella Ginor, Gideon Remez

    http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1385721 (h/t)

    “Over the 1967 Memorial Day weekend, the Krims were house- guests at the LBJ Ranch when the commander-in-chief learned of Soviet Premier Aleksei Kosygin’s warning that “if Israel starts military action, the Soviet Union will extend help to the attacked party.” While waiting for the State Department to draft a response to Israeli Prime Minister Levi Eshkol, Johnson and the Krims drove to a neighbor’s home where an aide brought the message for the president’s review. Halsell described the changes that LBJ made to the message while in the Krims’ company (to explain America’s perspective on the pending conflict:..

    > Johnson’s Kosygin-prompted note to Levi Eskhol, written in the presence of Arthur and Mathilde Krim, suggests that … Tel Aviv could preempt provided the Amer- ican public could be induced to believe that Israel was the victim and not the aggressor, a strategy fully consistent with game theory. “

    ” . . .groundbreaking history of the Six-Day War in 1967 radically changes our understanding of that conflict, casting it as a crucial arena of Cold War intrigue that has shaped the Middle East to this day. The authors, award-winning Israeli journalists and historians, have investigated newly available documents and testimonies from the former Soviet Union, cross-checked them against Israeli and Western sources, and arrived at fresh and startling conclusions.

    Contrary to previous interpretations, Ginor and Remez’s book shows that the Six-Day War was the result of a joint Soviet-Arab gambit to provoke Israel into a preemptive attack. The authors reveal how the Soviets received a secret Israeli message indicating that Israel, despite its official ambiguity, was about to acquire nuclear weapons. Determined to destroy Israel’s nuclear program before it could produce an atomic bomb, the Soviets then began preparing for war—well before Moscow accused Israel of offensive intent, the overt trigger of the crisis.

    Ginor and Remez’s startling account details how the Soviet-Arab onslaught was to be unleashed once Israel had been drawn into action and was branded as the aggressor. The Soviets had submarine-based nuclear missiles poised for use against Israel in case it already possessed and tried to use an atomic device, and the USSR prepared and actually began a marine landing on Israel’s shores backed by strategic bombers and fighter squadrons. They sent their most advanced, still-secret aircraft, the MiG-25 Foxbat, on provocative sorties over Israel’s Dimona nuclear complex to prepare the planned attack on it, and to scare Israel into making the first strike. It was only the unpredicted devastation of Israel’s response that narrowly thwarted the Soviet design.”

    As juster informed UF,

    “I can’t speak for the elites but it would seem that no, they have not learned the lessons of history, except insofar as Israel does have nuclear weapons and so won’t be genocided without taking everybody else with them. “

    Jews stole nuclear weapons fair and square;
    and when the Soviets tried to do the world a favor and bomb Dimona (like Israel bombed Osirik), 34 American sailors paid with their lives, and Jews emerged only more arrogant and lawless.

    Jews ignore international law fair and square;
    and Jews refuse to sign Nonproliferation Treaty ‘cuz Jews are so fair and square;
    and when, in 1995, the states in the ME bargain away their rights to develop nuclear weapons on the promise that a conference will be held to negotiate the entire region — including Israel — as a Nuclear Weapons Free Zone, Israel balks and USA supports them in their intransigence, and in the Jewish mind, it’s all fair and square.
    It’s fair and square that Jews may steal nuclear weaponry and refuse to be accountable for them because after all Jews have successfully sustained the biggest hoax-lie of the century, that they and they uniquely were genocided, and because of that faux-event Jews need to flout the norms of civilization, while simultaneously causing widespread death and devastation to other nations, and intentionally destabilizing the economies and governance of other nations that are in compliance with the international norms that Israel deliberately sets out to erode.

    Laws don’t apply to Jews.
    Because for some unfathomable reason, Jews — those paragons of innocence and uprightness; the most moral army in the world — have been persecuted forevah.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @juster
  173. Art says:
    @juster

    Look at the nutjob above calling me “Little Jew”

    Sorry Little Jew jester – but you are a little lemming hasbara underling working to propagate Big Jew lies. Those lies are causing much hurt in this world.

    This makes you a bad guy – worthy of NO respect.

    If you want to help your tribe – go after the Big Jew – and do NOT repeat their hurtful big lies.

    p.s. With that said – I bet you are a cute little lemming.

    p.s. Please stay away from the cliffs little one – we do not want to see anyone hurt.

  174. RobinG says:
    @anarchyst

    You wrote, “In fact, the German civilians interned were defined as “disarmed enemy combatants” despite being civilians, so that Geneva Convention rules would not apply to them.”

    A “disarmed enemy combatant” would be a POW, to whom Geneva Convention rules most certainly apply. Is this typical of the quality of your analysis and writing?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  175. Boris says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    I am an American and Americans don’t care about The USS Liberty. The only reason the incident is remembered at all is because anti-Semites and others with an axe to grind keep flogging it.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @OilcanFloyd
  176. Boris says:
    @bondo

    not much of a reply

    And yet so much more than you deserve.

  177. Boris says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Evil is evil, it does not come in degrees.

    Why are you trying to clean up Hitler’s image? What’s in it for you? Be specific.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  178. Boris says:
    @Svigor

    authoritarian “civil rights” laws.

    Somebody is PISSED that they have to share water fountains now.

  179. utu says:
    @anonymous

    I do not trust Ginor & remed book. It’s mostly BS.

  180. utu says:
    @Svigor

    “Waiting for the Jewish conscience to kick in is” hinges on a false premise that there is a conscience.

    • Replies: @juster
  181. juster says:
    @Svigor

    I spent a moment or so trying to figure out how exactly you would differentiate yourself from @art, but figured it’s only in the rhetorical style of how you choose to butcher the English language. You both generalize about all Jews in the same bigoted, idiotic, functionally illiterate fashion, and both end up wishing violence (or possibly death and destruction) on all of us based on your weird and unfounded conspiracy theory. So, it doesn’t take long to realize, who cares what you think? Or write. I am extremely open to informed, intellectual critique of Jewish culture, Israeli policy, etc. from both the right and left, but talking to uninformed cranks? I’ll pass.

    • Agree: Boris
    • Replies: @Art
    , @Talha
  182. juster says:
    @anonymous

    “Laws don’t apply to Jews.”

    Then explain this:

    ” The only relevant data available for the United States are some prison statistics; but there the participation of Jews in crime appears to be even lower than elsewhere, as the more dangerous criminals are sent to prison, while Jews generally commit offenses of less severity. In the ten-year period 1920–29, 6,846 Jews, on the average, were imprisoned annually in the United States – 1.74% of the total of 394,080 convicted offenders. As Jews constituted 3.5% of the population at the time, their share in the more serious offenses, which were punished with imprisonment, was therefore about 50% of the general ratio. Imprisonment figures for New York and Los Angeles confirm these findings. In the early years of the 20th century, Jews represented 17–18% of the population of New York City; the percentage of Jewish prisoners was 9.2% in 1902, 9.4% in 1903, and 14.7% in 1904. In 1947, Jews made up 4.7% of the prison population in New York State, about a quarter of their share in the population. In Los Angeles, while the Jewish share in the population rose from 5.8% in 1933 to 11.9% in 1947, their share in 15 out of 18 offense groups – including murder, burglary, robbery, assault, and sex crimes – ranged from 2.8% to 3.9%. The situation has been similar in Canada. The Jewish population in the province of Quebec, where the great majority of Canadian Jews live, is 2.5% of the total, while their share in the penitentiary population during the last three decades has been never more than 1%.”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  183. […] “Israel’s Friends Against the First Amendment” […]

  184. Ace says:
    @Orville H. Larson

    The Liberty was closely examined by an Israeli reconnaissance plane that morning. They knew.

    Didn’t the Israelis claim they mistook the ship for an Egyptian horse transport? When they were in a fight for survival the devoted a heck of a lot of scarce resources for such an inconsequential target, to include machine gunning the life rafts.

  185. Ace says:
    @Boris

    We keep flogging it for much the same reason we keep flogging Pearl Harbor. When our warships are attacked by foreign military forces we remember.

    • Replies: @Boris
  186. bondo says:

    a few jew/israeli black ops/false flags:

    uss liberty, the king david hotel bombing, achille lauro, entebbe, AMIA, 9-11, harriri

  187. @Talha

    Hello Talha,

    There is a long tradition of the jester as being the one speaking truth to power using the device of humour to be not seen as a threat and so keeping his head. Khalil Gibran’s Madman also speaks truth and escapes being held to account due to his “madness”.

    My best wishes to you.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  188. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @juster

    Israel regularly attributes to others the very things it itself is doing. It has become notorious for its refusal to accept objective scrutiny or criticism. It routinely rebuffs international investigators’ examination of allegations against it, even when mandated by the U.N. Security Council. Instead, it stages self-indulgent acts of self-investigation calculated to produce exculpatory propaganda. As a result, Israeli government spokesmen – who once were presumed to represent the intellectual integrity for which Jewish scholars have always been renowned – now have no credibility at all except among those committed to the Zionist cause. Meanwhile, regional and international respect for the rule of law, especially humanitarian law, has been greatly degraded. This is a special irony.

    Humanitarian law and the law of war are arguably the supreme moral artifacts of Atlantic civilization. Jewish lawyers made a disproportionate contribution to the crafting of both. The resulting legal principles were intended to deter the kinds of injuries and injustices that European Jews and other minorities had long suffered and to protect occupied populations from persecution by their occupiers. Both objectives are very relevant to contemporary Palestine. It is, however, hard to find any principle of due process, the several Geneva Conventions, or the Nuremberg trials that has not been systematically violated in the Holy Land. Examples of criminal conduct include mass murder, extra-judicial killing, torture, detention without charge, the denial of medical care, the annexation and colonization of occupied territory, the illegal expropriation of land, ethnic cleansing, and the collective punishment of civilians, including the demolition of their homes, the systematic reduction of their infrastructure, and the de-development and impoverishment of entire regions. These crimes have been linked to a concerted effort to rewrite international law to permit actions that it traditionally prohibited, in effect enshrining the principle that might makes right.

    As the former head of the Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) Legal Department has argued:

    “If you do something for long enough the world will accept it. The whole of international law is now based on the notion that an act that is forbidden today becomes permissible if executed by enough countries . . . . International law progresses through violations.

    A colleague of his has extended this notion by pointing out that:

    “The more often Western states apply principles that originated in Israel to their own non-traditional conflicts in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, then the greater the chance these principles have of becoming a valuable part of international law.”

    These references to Iraq and Afghanistan underscore the extent to which the United States, once the principal champion of a rule-bound international order, has followed Israel in replacing legal principles with expediency as the central regulator of its interaction with foreign peoples. The expediently amoral doctrine of preemptive war is such an Israeli transplant in the American neo-conservative psyche.

    Ambassador Chas W. Freeman, Jr. (USFS, Ret.)
    http://chasfreeman.net/israel-palestine-the-consequences-of-the-conflict/

  189. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    the jester as being the one speaking truth to power using the device of humour to be not seen as a threat and so keeping his head.

    juster

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=juster

    1) verb – To unscrupulously obtain, possess, or gain materials, goods, services, or possessions. An unconscionable action that oppresses, suppresses, or takes advantage of an individual or an individual’s situation for one’s own personal gain. Also colloquially known as ‘to screw someone over’.

    2) verb – To wait until the very end to charge group lunches with a credit card, and take all the cash that has been placed by others for the bill. The ‘justering’ occurs twofold; first, there is usually extra cash in the form of change or overpayment, since many people typically only have $20 bills. The ‘juster’ keeps this extra change. Second, the ‘juster’ accumulates airline mile points so that he/she (mostly a ‘he’) can fly to New York, free of charge.

    3) adj – the bastion of inefficiency; governmental, bureaucratic effectiveness.

    4) noun – A person who hordes virtual or physical possessions; this type of person may use work server space to store MP3 song files, or stock his filing cabinet up with food once the Costco shipment arrives. Many times, this may come in the form of ‘freeloading’.

    • Replies: @juster
  190. Boris says:
    @Ace

    We keep flogging it for much the same reason we keep flogging Pearl Harbor. When our warships are attacked by foreign military forces we remember.

    You just proved my point. No one keeps flogging Pearl Harbor. No one is mad at Japan anymore. So why are you mad as Israel? Well, you hate Jews. There’s no other explanation.

    • Replies: @bondo
    , @Chris Mallory
  191. @Boris

    Lots of people care, and rightly so, since Israel was never punished, and the Israel Lobby has a lock on our politicians.

    The problem is that the Liberty bombing was covered up, and many Americans don’t know about it. A thorough, public and honest examination of the Liberty bombing and the Israel Lobby would put Israel and its supporters in a very different light for most of the Americans who support Israel. I wouldn’t want to be an Israel lobbyist or Israel supporter after that discussion. I’d also guess that the Jewish community center nearest my home would take down the Israeli flag and raise the U.S. flag and quit publicly advocating for Israel.

    Boris, if you are an American, you aren’t much of an American.

    • Replies: @Boris
  192. No one is mad at Japan anymore. So why are you mad as Israel? Well, you hate Jews. There’s no other explanation.

    Not a compelling argument, Boris.

    Japan is, essentially, an occupied nation; like Germany, Japan is a vassal state where US forces are still encamped — and frequently commit humiliating crimes against the Japanese people, especially women.

    Moreover, unlike Israelis, the Japanese are not insinuating themselves in the US political system; don’t spy in an egregious fashion on US institutions, corporations and individuals; don’t presume to suborn US political representatives.

    In 2015, the Japanese Prime Minister addressed a joint session of Congress. He expressed condolences for the “American people lost in World War II.”

    In contrast, in his address to Congress, at which the representatives of the American people disposed themselves like pop-in-jays and debased themselves shamefully, Benjamin Netanyahu issued not apologies but demands that the American people continue to pay tribute to the Jewish State and guarantee its “security” against the threat of rock-throwing Palestinian teen-agers.

    Numerous Jewish writers and self-identified scholars produce one-after-another of books excoriating the American people for failing to rescue Jewish people in Europe in WWII. (Never mind that Jews were at the forefront of starting a war that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions of innocent European and Russian civilians; and also that Jewish actors, i.e. Henry Morgenthau, Jr., funneled money to the person and government responsible for more deaths than any other in all of history, Josef Stalin’s Bolshevik/Communist Russia; and also that the same Morgenthau used the tax dollars of the American people to subsidize the settlement of Jewish people in the United States.
    Eleanor Roosevelt used her influence to obtain professional positions in numerous US universities and other institutions, not infrequently displacing Americans who had held those positions. The Wyman Institute held a conference discussing these situations.)

    Several more differences between regard for Japanese vs regard for Jews:

    — Japan’s lobbyists are duly registered to act as agents for a foreign government in the USA; Israel’s lobbyists have refused to comply with that basic requirement (nota bene, juster, @187.) Grant Smith has extensively documented Israel’s refusal to- and machinations to evade- registering its lobbyists as foreign agents see, for example,

    and
    http://forward.com/news/4064/leaders-fear-probe-will-force-pro-israel-lobby-to/

    — Japan does not extort billions of dollars from US taxpayers; Israel does.

    — Japan has not bulldozed American citizens then denied responsibility for their deaths; Israel has
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/photostory-israeli-bulldozer-driver-murders-american-peace-activist/4449

    — Japan does not, on an on-going pattern, use US money and weapons to kill innocent civilians; Israel does, using proscribed weapons such as white phosphorus to kill Palestinian civilians on lands that Israel has stolen or is stealing.

    Jews, apparently uniquely, identify themselves with a body of real estate which they claim was given to them by god. Juster embraces that identification. Benjamin Netanyahu identifies himself as the leader of “the Jewish people throughout the world.” Jews identify themselves in international terms, i.e. in their March 1933 declaration of war on Germany, Jews called themselves “International Jewry.” So associating “Israel” with “Jews” is a meme that Jews and their leaders seem to have created and support.

    • Replies: @Boris
    , @Mark Green
    , @juster
  193. utu says:
    @juster

    You think that philanthropy is a sign of conscience? You are really simpleminded.

  194. bondo says:
    @Boris

    pearl harbor is remembered by americans not jewry.
    america because of pearl harbor destroyed japan and now controls japan
    jewry/israel control america. the wars now being started by the jews are fought by america are for the jews.

  195. Boris says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Boris, if you are an American, you aren’t much of an American.

    The guy that wants to punish and expel people from the US because he doesn’t like their opinions is lecturing me on what it means to be an American? Priceless.

  196. Rehmat says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Zionists’ claim of Jewish expulsion from Muslim land is as ridiculous as their claim that Bible’s G-d promised Palestine to Jews. In fact, the god-father of Zionism, Theodor Herzl wanted to establish his Jewish state in Patagonia, the very fertile province in Argentina and Chile.

    Which shall we choose, Palestine or Argentine? Argentina is, by its nature, one of the richest countries in Earth, with an immense territory, scarce population and moderate climate. The Argentine government would have the greatest interest to cede to us a part of its (Patagonia) territory. The infiltration of Jews that is presently taking place these has not been to their liking, naturally, and we will have to explain to Argentina the radical difference that exists with the new Jewish emigration,” wrote Pinsker in 1896.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/03/21/israeli-tourists-attacked-in-argentine/

  197. Boris says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Japan is, essentially, an occupied nation; like Germany

    This is laughably wrong.

    Never mind that Jews were at the forefront of starting a war

    Ah, stupid ahistorical antisemitism again. Maybe people would care about the USS Liberty more if you guys didn’t start talking about the Jewish conspiracy ten seconds into the discussion? You probably can’t help yourself though.

  198. Rehmat says:
    @dahoit

    Jewish Holy Talmud command hatred toward Jesus, his mother Mary and Christianity in general. Islam’ the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) or Muslims are not mentioned in Talmud by names because it was written by rabbis at a time when Islam did not appear in Arabia. However, Zionists’ hatred toward Muslims is based on Talmud’s hatred toward the entire non-Jewish (Goyim) people.

    No western store sell English translation of Talmud because the Western brainwashed Christians are not supposed to know the real anti-Christian teachings. Israeli historian Dr. Israel Shahak in his masterpiece book, ‘Jewish Religion, Jewish History’, documents Jewish religious and traditional hatred toward Christians.

    Professor David Hillel Gelernter (Yale University) in an article, entitled, “Why should a Jew care whether Christianity Lives or Dies?”, published at Israel’s advocacy magazine “First Things” on March 24, 2015, said: “I argued last month that Pope Francis ought to see the reconversion of Europe (eradication of Muslim immigration) as his most important task. Surely he agrees that European Christianity is in deep trouble. Surely he does not believe that Christianity no longer matters to Europe, or can no longer be compelling to Europeans. How can he ignore a catastrophe on his doorstep?,” Gelernter said.

    “Jews must acknowledge this truth: Christianity is a dialect of Judaism. It is ours – Jews must own it, proudly,” Gelernter added.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/03/26/christianity-jews-gift-to-the-world/

  199. @Boris

    Boris, you aren’t much of an American, if you are an American at all.

    I have absolutely no problem with people whose allegiance is to another country, and who are a constant source of corruption, aggression and fraud being severely punished and stripped of citizenship. The Rosenbergs got what they deserved, and so should the current crop. The fact that you view these traitors as just voicing opinions says all anyone needs to know about you.

  200. @Boris

    I am not trying to clean up Hitler’s image. Hitler was a failure and an evil man. I am pointing out that Churchill and Netanyahu are evil as well and to say otherwise is the height of hypocrisy. All three men belong on the dung heap of history.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  201. @Boris

    I want to expel everyone from the US whose paternal ancestors were not American citizens in 1800. My ancestors founded this nation and I will lecture on what it means to be an American, namely that you be descended from the British Protestants who founded this nation. Every one else is a dirty immigrant that the American nation would be better off without.

    • Replies: @Boris
  202. @Boris

    Funny, most real Americans I know remember Pearl Harbor and the Alamo as well. But then we are real Americans not dirty immigrants.

  203. bondo says:

    the trained shekel corp jew is taught to lie, deny, pause a bit, repeat lie
    history, truth are to be warped, twisted, denied
    diseased minds from a diseased belief system. lies for brain cells.
    generation to generation to generation

  204. Art says:
    @juster

    I spent a moment or so trying to figure out how exactly you would differentiate yourself from @art, but figured it’s only in the rhetorical style of how you choose to butcher the English language. You both generalize about all Jews in the same bigoted, idiotic, functionally illiterate fashion, and both end up wishing violence (or possibly death and destruction) on all of us based on your weird and unfounded conspiracy theory.

    So juster – follower, lemming, hasbaraist, propagandist, conspirator, thug Little Jew.

    You are one poor sick Little Jew – “so everybody wants to kill you” – little Palestinian children and anybody who rhetorically gives you a hard time. If you were a Gentile – we could say that you have a guilty conscience – but you are a tribal Jew, so that is impossible.

    I should be mad over you accusing me of wanting to kill you – but I understand that you are a Jew steeped in Jew cultural paranoia – so you are forgiven. I have never called for the death of anyone – even Jews. I am a Christian who believes that all life is sacred.

    Little Jew juster, you are still living in 1967 when Israel could do no wrong and you could get away with your obnoxious lies (even I support Israel then). But you’ll have squandered the good will of humanity. Your conspiracy against Palestine and the Western world is naked.

    Wise up Little Jew — Art

    • Replies: @juster
  205. @Chris Mallory

    just curious, Chris Mallory:

    What nation’s or world leader would you rank as not on the dung heap of history?

    Have you ever thought about a point-for-point comparison of, say, Hitler and the Netanyahu crime family (Benzion was even more psychopathic than Bibi, if you can imagine that).

    Someone posted this video on one of Norman Finkelstein’s articles —

    Ofir’s comparison of Jewish zionists to the brutality of the Nazis was emphasized.

    But if you examine what Ofir said about Jewish activities in Palestine beginning in 1948 (I would argue that Jews started oppressing Palestinians almost half-a-century earlier), and compare them point-for-point with actions Nazis carried out against Jews, over a shorter period; remembering that Nazis acted in the context of a war, and that the German people were being carpet bombed throughout most of that hot war, then the scales of justice take on a different slant.

    Here’s what Ofir said:

    “Yes you may have heard about the Deir Yassin massacre, it’s often taught in school books, yet portrayed as an aberration perpetrated by extremists . . . before the Declaration of Independence, although the leaders of those extremists became our prime ministers.

    But what of the dozens of other massacres perpetrated by us in 1948, indeed by the very IDF? Have you read about Al-Aleuma [sp?] which was apparently worse than Deir Yassin? Ya’aron just wrote about it in Haaretz . . . [refers to Mondoweiss http://mondoweiss.net/2016/04/zionism-is-not-really-secular/ , although the title seems the opposite of Ofir’s later statement that “zionism is not Judaism”]

    “When you sum up the systematic executions; many gang-rape cases, which have been slow to be uncovered because they involve shame on both fronts; the crushing of children’s skulls with sticks; the ripping out of foetuses from their mother’s wombs; all and many more perpetrated by Us. The good guys. The cultured elite. Often in situations which presented no danger. Just out of pure, gratuitous sadism and hate for the Arabs.

    Then you may begin to realize that Israel is not really in a war for survival, a war of an elite and an advanced culture in a bad neighborhood of a backwards Arab subculture.

    Let me put it out there, clearly and directly: We have been acting like animals** with barbarism of a degree which indeed could be, should be, and has been compared to those whom we love to hate, the Nazis, whose cruelty is supposed to exonerate ours. As Golda Meier told a member of the Knesset, Aloni, “After the holocaust Jews are allowed to do anything. ”
    No!
    Hell No.
    We’ve used this excuse with those words or others, together with the systematic coverup of our own cruelties since the start. And because we have largely succumbed to our own propaganda in this, we have failed to perceive the historical trace which if followed honestly will show us that we are essentially at the same place as before: still subjugating, still massacring, still torturing.

    This is not a chain of events forced upon us as an inevitable consequence of trying to survive; this is, nonetheless, a predictable outcome of our inherent state religion, which is not Judaism, as many mistakenly think, but rather zionism. “

    So, Chris Mallory — if the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis, real, alleged, and imagined, are listed — the mass rapes, the smashing of children’s heads with sticks — in context and over time, in parallel with the crimes of the zionists in Palestine (and in other parts of the world, i.e. the Liberty; the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, etc.), also in their context, as Ofir suggested– that is, they were not for survival but out of sadism– what balance is demonstrated by the Scales of Justice?

    ** I disagree with the comparison to animals. Animals do not reflect. Animals do not have an Office of War Plans, or a Rational Institute, god help us, where the calories necessary to sustain life but not to thrive are calculated and meted out. Rather, we are with Virgil and Dante at the gate of Hell —

    “Here you must give up all irresolution;
    All cowardice must here be put to death.

    “We are come to the place I spoke to you about
    Where you shall see the sorrow-laden people,
    Those who have lost the Good of the intellect.

  206. @Philip Giraldi

    I recall researching this years ago. The British ship in question bore little or no resemblance to the Liberty. The Liberty was just one of a large class of ships that would have been a common sight in the med. The liberty was painted Haze Gray as all US Ships did and had an American flag prominently displayed.

    The Israeli planes came in close, that is, in gun range and were flying subsonic. That means they could clearly see that they were strafing an American ship.

  207. Mark Green says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus

    Thank you, Solonto. That was a very insightful and concise comment. Grant Smith’s short lecture was also excellent. Good work!

    Like it or not, the extraordinary role played by US-based Zionists is in a class by itself. No honest person will attempt to deny that fact.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  208. FLgeezer says:
    @schmenz

    “Perhaps they can help instruct you on the realities”.

    The realities are also described succinctly here:

    http://original.antiwar.com/ramzy-baroud/2016/04/13/logic-murder-israel-culture-impunity-full-view-entire-world/

  209. @juster

    these elites are hurting us and leading to a whole new wave of anti-Semitism.

    A little precision is in order.

    As I understand it — based on my research from the first time I was called an antisemite, about 8 or 9 years ago, antisemitism = “hatred of Jews just because they are Jews.”

    Once causality enters the picture, as in the activities of the various Jewish elites “doing things that hurt us,” then the reaction is not exactly antisemitism but rather resistance to, or rejection of, or opposition to some behavior that is perceived as harmful to another group.

    That the reaction is expressed toward a larger set of the group with which the offending elites are associated is a kind of displacement, and a natural one at that: If resistors could directly attack the Offending Elites they would do so; they can’t, so they attack rank-and-file Jews.

    That’s not as evil as it seems at first blush: the Elites would not do what they do to offend if they were not able to do so with impunity.

    It is also the case the US, as well as Israeli, state policy is to attack the little guy in an attempt to force the capitulation of the leadership of a state. This is exactly what the Allies had in mind in their campaign of carpet-bombing Germany (and Japan);

    it is exactly what George H W Bush’s team had in mind when they attacked Iraq in 1991 and withdrew rather than go to Baghdad and directly topple Saddam: they were “99% certain” that the Iraqi people would overthrow Saddam. When they did not, the US imposed sanctions on the Iraqi people that resulted in the deaths of a million Iraqis, half of them children.

    The same tactic — beating up the little guy in an attempt to overthrow the leadership — is used by Israel to punish Palestinians, and by the USA and Israel in an attempt to overthrow Iran’s Islamic government.

    It’s a coward’s tactic — beating up the little guy because the Big Kahoona is too well protected and might fight back effectively — but that is precisely what is going on.

    Your job, you who are so ignobly addressed as “Little Jew,” is to suck it up, just like the Iranians-on-the-street that I talked to are forced to suck it up when the US and Israel wreck their chances at starting a business, or a career, or a family.
    You may also work to change the behavior of your Elites — as well of of the morbid ideology that forms a systemic spiral around them. For your own good.

    Sorry juster, it’s not my job to pull your chestnuts out of the fire. I’m not particularly concerned what happens to you or to Jews in general.

    My concern is for the well-being of our children, our family, and my country, in that order.

    I do believe, however, as Fran Macadam noted elsewhere, that “what is good for the USA is good for the Jews;” or, to flip it around a bit: If the USA lived up to what it professes as its highest and best values, that would resonate to the good of all.

    • Replies: @juster
    , @Boris
    , @RobinG
    , @Art
  210. @SolontoCroesus

    All of that makes living under a hostile Jewish elite seem very attractive, doesn’t it?

  211. anarchyst says:
    @RobinG

    Problem is, they were not “enemy combatants” by any stretch of the imagination, but were ordinary civilians caught up in wartime…
    These civilians were held as POWs and mistreated by the victors, Geneva Convention “rules” be damned.
    Under normal Geneva Convention “rules”, civilians would have been left to fend for themselves, NOT forced into “camps” under guard (incarceration for criminal acts comes to mind).
    Yes, jews were running these camps and were far more brutal to these civilians…than the Germans were ever to them…
    Please read “An Eye For An Eye” by John Sack and “Other Losses”
    Regards

  212. juster says:
    @anonymous

    LOL. Love the analysis of my randomly chosen handle. But the noun definition with the mp3s on the work machine? Nailed it.

  213. juster says:
    @Art

    Well, I’m honestly relieved to hear that.

    As I believe I said initially… ahem… there is much to criticize Jewish elites about.

    Perhaps not personalizing that to each and every jewish person who comes along might help us actually get to that conversation? But that would require a semblance of civility, rather than the childish name-calling.

  214. juster says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I love these long, pointless diatribes about something I never said. Please continue. it’s quite amusing to think about your intensity in busting out verbose comments that nobody ever reads.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Sam Shama
  215. juster says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    OK, this one was at least 50% reasonable. Kudos for that.

  216. alexander says:

    Dear Phil,

    Thanks for another fine article.

    What does it say that our first amendment rights, to speak out, up or against what we choose to, when we choose to, are to be exterminated ?

    Is this not the final assault on a nation of free men ?

    And how interesting is it to learn, that the “stress positions”used on the Iraqi people (who never attacked us) were taught to us by Israeli torturers.

    Who would think that the children of the Holocaust, would command such a vocabulary of sadistic behavior, and export and then extort US into betraying our values, by employing them ?

    I don’t know if its good news or bad, that the “lag” in the dissemination of that revelation is only twelve years old.

    Compared to the Lavon Affair, or the USS Liberty incident. maybe we are quickening the pace on disclosures ?

    We need accountability….and we need it fast….this has gone too far.

    I ,however, would refrain from petitioning our strategic air command to “nuke” the AIPAC conference center……

    One well dropped “bunker buster” would do just fine.

    Enough is enough.

  217. @Mark Green

    Thanks Mark.

    re: Boris’s —

    You just proved my point. No one keeps flogging Pearl Harbor. No one is mad at Japan anymore. So why are you mad as Israel? Well, you hate Jews. There’s no other explanation.

    Comparisons like Boris’s are so dangerous.

    In retaliation for Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor the USA dropped two atom bombs on Japan — among other acts of annihilation of the Japanese land mass and people.

    Thus, according to Boris’s logic it’s not a case of “hating Jews.”
    It’s a matter of getting around to bombing the hell out of Israel.
    THEN “no one will be mad at [what’s left of] Israel anymore.”

    • Replies: @Boris
  218. Boris says:
    @Chris Mallory

    My ancestors founded this nation and I will lecture on what it means to be an American

    Yeah, but nobody cares what you think. Your ancestry doesn’t give you any special powers or a veto over the Constitution.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  219. Boris says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    As I understand it — based on my research from the first time I was called an antisemite, about 8 or 9 years ago, antisemitism = “hatred of Jews just because they are Jews.”

    Once causality enters the picture, as in the activities of the various Jewish elites “doing things that hurt us,” then the reaction is not exactly antisemitism but rather resistance to, or rejection of, or opposition to some behavior that is perceived as harmful to another group.

    A problem arises when the “behavior that is perceived as harmful” does not exist or is exaggerated. Throughout history, antisemitism has come first and bizarre conspiracies have been used to justify it: blood libel, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The antisemitic mythology is more or less prized and treated as gospel. Hence the interest in Holocaust denial or Holocaust minimization–the “lie of the six million” is the blood libel of the 20th century.

    So the actual bad things that Israel does–the quickness to target civilians and the irresponsible sanctioning of illegal settlement–those get lost in the shuffle. People who think they are really sticking it to Israel by saying that Netanyahu is just as bad as Hitler are in fact doing the opposite. No one listens, although the chamber is echoing.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  220. Talha says:
    @juster

    Dear juster,

    Man, people have been relentless on you. I thought I had it bad on days…wow! OK – so look, I don’t know if you are still here, but let me take an attempt at things from a reasonable perspective. A little background; I’m a Muslim and no friend of Israel. To me, this means the political entity, not the individual Jews that reside there. On the campus, we almost came to blows with the Zionist jerks. Each person has their own soul and accounts for their own views and their own actions; some of the best critics of Israel are Jews (Chomsky, Adam Kokesh, Amy Goodman, Finkelstein, etc.). It seems Jews (in general) are in a bunker mentality and have been so since WW2 and settling down in Israel in a manner that was very reminiscent of previous European colonial intrusions. That was a massive miscalculation. People are watching what is happening in Palestine and there is no way that anybody who knows the true history and power disparity between the two groups is going to consciously back what Israel is doing. Especially when people in the US are waking up to the fact that many of the architects of foreign policy are Zionists (Jews and Christians) and are using their tax dollars to bankroll this unsustainable madness.

    I abhor Jewish nationalism – but, then again, I likewise despise Turkish or Arab or any other ethnic nationalism that causes people to oppress others. My personal opinion is that (in the long term) for some semblance of justice, some third (somewhat neutral) party needs to have sovereignty over that area to administer it and provide safety and security for all involved because the bad blood between the two sides is too much – Turks, I don’t know, they have history there. Either that Jewish settlers stop building and settle into one geographic portion of the West Bank so that Palestinians can have some sort of contiguous territory that could comprise a viable true state (or protectorate or satellite of Jordan).

    As far as some of the other things that Jews are criticized for:
    1) Religious views of being the ‘chosen people’ – you know, that never makes you popular, especially when some of the Orthodox Rabbinical tradition makes statements about the modality of the Jewish soul being different and superior to others.
    2) Decadence – it does seem that a lot of the loss of morality does come from places like Hollywood and the entertainment industry which is top-heavy with Jewish people – specifically their elite. But then again, it is kind of bizarre because Orthodox Jews are very, very strict against sexual prurience – but they do not represent the elite. This is leading to a very real crisis in the traditional family structure- but some of it is scapegoating, there aren’t any Jews walking around with guns forcing Jimbo to watch porn or visit titty-bars.
    3) Control of Financial Markets – no doubt that Jewish people have a disproportionately huge influence in this sphere also – usually when things are going well, nobody seems to complain, but once the stuff hits the fan, people try to figure out what’s going on and notice the banks are top-heavy with a specific group of people. On my side, since I am Muslim, usury is an anathema, but it seems even the Christians gave up that stance (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15235c.htm) a while back and we are the last ones to uphold that as a normative position.
    4) Anti-Semitism – the billy-club that everyone is tired of being bashed over the head with whenever one legitimately criticizes Israeli policy, etc. Eventually, it won’t mean a thing.

    Anyway, those are some criticisms which I think you can give your insights into. Not sure I will respond, but maybe others will.

    Some have said they don’t care what happens to you and your people – I do. For me, each soul is precious and anyone can change. I even want good for those horrible Zionist elites. The best result, and the one I pray for, is that they repent for what they have done and use their enormous wealth and influence to undo as many years of horrible policies that they have advocated. If this is not possible, I hope they are removed from the levers of power as swiftly as possible for the benefit of everyone – because they are taking the ship down and everyone with it. For all the other “little guy” Jewish people who disagree with what they are doing and don’t benefit from their policies and, unfortunately, have to deal with the consequences of being lumped up with them and the simmering hatred – I feel for you guys. Your responsibility is to inform and rectify the people within your community as much as you are able – not justify or explain away immoral actions just because you belong to a tribe; just as with Muslims and the extremists among us. The stakes are getting too high. As I mentioned, I have a working-class Jewish neighbor who is just a regular guy – he has two beautiful little twin girls and an adorable little boy. Some people on this forum advocate things which cause me to pause and wonder if they have thought things through. You don’t just ‘get rid of’ or ‘kick out’ a people. You suit up with guns armor and break into a man’s home to drag him and his screaming children out to strap them into a bus to take them to some processing camp to be on the next boat. Or maybe, if you are too squeamish, you hire some sociopath with your tax dollars to kick down that door. Unless one thinks people will just up and leave because you offered them a free one-way ticket.

    I’m raising three young men to value that true strength means the ability and willingness to stand up for the vulnerable. If anyone wants to come after my neighbor and his babies, they’re welcome to come through me and my boys.

    God bless you and allow us to find true solutions with justice.

    • Replies: @bondo
    , @iffen
  221. Boris says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    What are you talking about? No one important is mad at Israel NOW. Nor are they mad at Japan despite the Bataan Death March.

    In retaliation for Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor the USA dropped two atom bombs on Japan

    Your grasp of history is terrible.

    • Replies: @5371
  222. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Now you’re getting your panties in a knot.

    Follow along, I’ve been debating you.

    I also note that you cannot refute what I post.

    Such is the way with the impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others and gas chambers’.

    This is too easy.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  223. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    So this is how you rationalize your Jew-hatred, placing yourself in the company of gross offenders. Miserable loves company. At least you admit “It’s a coward’s tactic —”

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  224. 5371 says:
    @Boris

    It was Whale and Dolphin?

  225. bondo says:
    @Talha

    talha is a jew in muslim pretense
    likely the jews posting here occupy same cubicle

    • Replies: @Talha
  226. Talha says:
    @bondo

    And apparently, as evidenced by my archived posts, the most knowledgeable Jew in the world in regards to the Sunni Hanafi school of jurisprudence – oy!

    This has the makings of 15 minutes of fame written all over it if I can just get the right reality show started -The Distinguished Hanafi Jewrist or maybe Here Comes Hanafi Jew Jew.

    • Replies: @bondo
  227. @juster

    juster, the “long, pointless diatribe” was not addressed to you, it was addressed to Boris.

    juster http://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1387268 was referenced twice:

    1. regarding refusal of Israel lobbyist to comply with US law that they register as foreign agents. The implication is that, at least in that instance, Israel disdains rule of law.

    2. that juster identifies with Jews and with Israel.
    a. You self-identified as a Jew.
    b. Perhaps linking your identity to Israel is not legitimate; you did seem to affirm Israel’s possession of nuclear weapons as a means to protect itself against a genocide; that sounds pretty much like the pro-Israel party line, or it may be merely a statement of the party line without any endorsement of it.

    Conc: S2C made 3 points; willing to walk back one point, #2b.

    feel better now?

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
  228. @RobinG

    ouch.

    It’s not so much the personal attack that’s distressing — tho it is; it’s more the way an attempt at a sociological/human nature-kind of explanation of action-reaction was misconstrued.

    Perhaps I did not articulate the concept very well.

  229. @Wally

    You call that debating? Really?

    Fine, whatever. You say there’s no mass graves. I say you can look up a war crimes case prosecuted in Australia in the 1990s. A mass grave was excavated in Ukraine to provide information for the prosecution. Eight hundred civilians were found in the grave, including women and children, as well as hundreds of German rifle shells. Now go look up the case and tell me why that isn’t a mass grave of victims of the Nazis.

    The accused was a man named Ivan Polyukhovich.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  230. FLgeezer says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Regarding SC’s point 1 and the phrase “Israel disdains the rule of law”, assertion confirmed:

    http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=2050

  231. Sam Shama says:
    @juster

    You will find, as I have, after about a year’s worth of commenting, SolontoCroesus is a nice enough chap. The top of the lunar cycle is key, and its proximity directly proportional to the milk of human kindness on offer.

    There are a few very knowledgeable commentators here, especially historians. You will be able to identify them soon enough, especially if you follow the Saker’s column. S2C, I reckon has committed a significant part of his life to checkmating what he no doubt considers a veritable Jewish takeover of all aspects of American life and discourse; [I recall I once offered to arrange a Brith Mila, as a means to relieving him of the pain of a reluctant conformity to Jewish rules. He has declined thus far, taking up Zoroastrianism instead]

    As a Jewish person it was certainly shocking for me in the beginning as well. One does develop however, a certain tolerance for it.

    My own sentiments on the question of Jewish influence is rather straightforward; AIPAC is a dangerous organisation for all Americans, especially Jews. The membership flocks to it like flies drawn to a fire, not a trace of any individuality or dissension to be found in sight. Stop sending them money.

    There is much more we can do, but it does not involve S2C’s wet dreams of resurrecting Adolph.

    • Replies: @alexander
  232. alexander says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam.

    Your comment:

    “AIPAC is a dangerous organization for all Americans, especially Jews.”

    Yes, but it doesn’t have to be. There is no reason why AIPAC couldn’t be a great organization. With that much clout and that much influence think of the great initiatives it could generate.

    What is so horrific about AIPAC, today, is its criminal addiction to perpetual war.

    Its really bad, Sam.

    Everyone seems to be falling over themselves, to out do each other in belligerence and bellicosity.

    There are no initiatives toward peace…its all war-making, full time, all the time, and convincing, and coercing our government through whatever means at their disposal, to act in the exact same way.

    Considering that war of aggression is the equivalent to murder,on a grand scale, this is profoundly disturbing.

    They don’t seem to be involved, in any way ,shape, or form in generating initiatives other than designing pretexts to perpetuate conflict.

    If Israel, or AIPAC ,for that matter, has a “peace plan” I haven’t seen it ….Have you ?

    If you have NO plan for peace, none whatsoever,and want to perpetuate war, how is it possible, you don’t become the signature terrorizing agent in the grand equation ?

    How is it possible you don’t, Sam ?

    I think AIPAC has spent a thousand times more brain power in concocting “pretexts” to justify continuous war and killing , and get the US to embrace it, than in trying to find a resolution to its conflicts.

    If I were Israel, the first thing out of the gate, I would have a ten point peace plan, disseminated to everyone, underlining “exactly” what my positions were on every single element of its conflicts.

    Then it would be absolutely clear, as a bell, that Israel stands for Peace.

    And people could stand behind her.

    Absent that …..It is just bad bad news for everyone.

    How tragic this is the case.

    .

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  233. bondo says:
    @Talha

    definitely jew

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Boris
  234. Talha says:
    @bondo

    Doh! I mean Oy Vey! My marriage to my Muslim wife is thus nullified – I am living in sin…

    “The horror…the horror…” – Colonel Kurtz

    • Replies: @bondo
  235. Sam Shama says:
    @alexander

    Yes it is possible that AIPAC could be a force for good. Too tall an order at the moment. Full purgatory indicated first.

  236. RobinG says:

    THE STANFORD CANCELLATION
    OF THE
    NORTH-AMERICAN NAKBA TOUR

    We know who our rulers are….those we cannot criticize. Palestinian refugee explains she was censored by Stanford SJP (SELF CENSORSHIP !!!) for fear of repercussions if she spoke against Israel.


    Amena ElAshkar Interview

  237. iffen says:
    @Talha

    You didn’t leave. You didn’t miss a single frigging day. This comment by you is speckled with BS.

    • Replies: @Talha
  238. Talha says:

    Dear iffen,

    BS? How so? Kind of confused…

    Somebody named ‘juster’ came into the site asking to engage people on criticisms of Jewish culture, history etc. and he got walloped by basically horrendous statements and ad hominem attacks. Nobody was given him any breathing space. I didn’t feel that was called for so I gave him some tips on how to navigate this forum, and listed a few salient points I thought that people have been criticizing Jewish culture/influence for – that way he had some semblance of something to kick-start a dialog other than the “You’re all scum, we’re going to jail you all…”. I skipped out on all the conspiracy theories because I honestly don’t give them much thought.

    And you are right, this site is very addictive. Again, gotta extract myself for a while.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Mark Green
  239. Talha says:
    @iffen

    And I actually did quit for 5 days…I’m like a crack addict that needs his fix. Let’s see if I can get through withdrawal for a while.

  240. bondo says:
    @Talha

    just cyber say so.

    few believe your first deception why believe your 2nd?
    anyway,
    ultra jew,
    spittile paul pussywitz former undersec of def for israel has/had a muslim wife/partner

    the word nazi like antisemite means truth is way too close for the forked tongue parasites

  241. iffen says:
    @Talha

    BS? How so? Kind of confused…

    some of the best critics of Israel are Jews

    This akin to what simpleton racists trot out from time to time. (Africans were captured and sold by other Africans, some American blacks owned slaves, blah, blah, there were white slaves, blah, blah)

    reminiscent of previous European colonial intrusions

    This is linking Israel with the odious buzzwords colonial and European. Why not just view it for what it is; two incompatible groups trying to occupy the same piece of land?

    Religious views of being the ‘chosen people’

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t this the standard view of any ethny?

    the loss of morality does come from places like Hollywood and the entertainment industry which is top-heavy with Jewish people … any Jews walking around with guns forcing Jimbo to watch porn or visit titty-bars.

    Blame the Jews then “even-handedly” walk it back.

    BTW, who are you calling Jimbo? (smiley face here)

    I’m like a crack addict that needs his fix.

    Let’s hope that it is this. I understand that people can recover from crack addiction. If “Big Pharma” gets their devil claws into you, we will have to stick a fork into you.

    • Replies: @Talha
  242. @SolontoCroesus

    Most “leaders” belong on the dung heap of history. But if I were to pick one good one, William Henry Harrison gets my vote. He had the common courtesy to die 30 days after taking office, before he could do much harm. If only every “leader” followed his example.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  243. @Boris

    No, but the Constitution tells us who this nation was founded for:
    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    Read that? “OUR POSTERITY
    That means the descendants of those British Protestants who founded this nation, not the refuse of Eastern European ghettos such as yourself. Not the Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, or the hordes of Central America.

    • Replies: @Boris
  244. Hey Sam, how goes it?
    Tell me, what is the geographic posture of that moon? https://museumvictoria.com.au/planetarium/discoverycentre/faqs/moon-phases-on-other-side-of-earth/

    =—

    o/t

    watching on C Span, hearing with witness Jack Evans, head of DC Metro, which is the US’s #2 largest mass transit system, and it’s failing: physical structures are decrepit, more critically, METRO incurred pension obligations that it cannot honor.
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?407793-1/washington-journal-4162016

    Evans just said that some 25+ years ago METRO made the bargain that pensions would be funded; WMATA (the METRO system’s corporate overlord) needs (iirc) $300 million from US government to honor that promise.

    sidebar: 45+ years ago we were in grad school with a Japanese national who returned to him homeland and helped to create Japan’s cutting-edge mass transit system. USA did not follow suit: we sent our friend Take home to his nation and the homeland that he loved; highly trained in one of USA’s finest universities, to make a better world for his homeland, out of the natural feelings of patriotism – of love for his cultural fellows — that he harbored in his soul (some at UNZ would say in his Genes). We hear from our friend Take that he is retiring and enjoying the fruits of his contribution to the betterment of his fatherland.

    In the USA, we, his colleagues some 45+ years ago, are expending our efforts and treasure to support the pariah state of Israel.

    So at a granular level, I suggest that WMATA hire AIPAC to lobby for WMATA: maybe if Dennis Ross expends efforts similar to those he employs to lobby for the benefit of an alien — and I mean really alien — foreign state, the infrastructure of the USA might find the resources to save itself from total meltdown.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  245. @Chris Mallory

    thanks for the reply, Chris Mallory.

    I’m intrigued by US Supreme Court Justice James McReynolds. McReynolds was unabashed in his disdain for Louis Brandeis and Louis Frankfurter: in this he was correct, in my opinion; his failure was in his expression of his opposition to these ultimately traitorous denizens of the US Supreme Court: McReynolds, a highly intelligent American, educated in the then-Athens of the United States, Tennessee and Virginia, was aware at some essential level that Brandeis and Frankfurter were fifth columnists, acting not for the interests of the American people but for the interests of an alien force, but he was not able to formulate his opposition to this alien force in as devious a method as the aliens had employed to gain their positions of influence in the US hierarchy. He reacted to the treason of Brandeis and Frankfurter viscerally rather than with the same cunning that the traitors used to subvert the powers of the United States.

    Jews are a force of history, but they are not a force of nature. Jews are accomplished wordsmiths; they can and have manipulated the impulses of herded masses of humanity with their words, to the extent of causing those masses to kill other people by the millions, in response to the devilishly crafted words of propagandists, but Jews — nor any other people on this planet – can affect the cycles of the moon.

    Persian scholars — astronomers; the Magi — studied and understood those overarching natural, lunar, solar, stellar cycles over 5000 years ago. Yehud played catch-up as Esther learned about containing wisdom — and communication — in writing as a guest of the Persian empire. As seems to have become a pattern for Estherine Jews, they have pooped on the hospitality of many nations and peoples who haves welcomed them, and those welcoming nations have found themselves repaid by their Jewish ‘guests’ ‘welcomeness’ by treachery, exploitation, thievery, and the destruction of the culture of the formerly-welcoming host nation.

    There does not seem to be any reason to believe that the people of the USA will not find themselves subject to the same treatment experienced by
    the people of Egypt — which welcomed Jews and offered them security and prosperity;
    the people of Persia — which welcomed Jews and offered them security and prosperity;
    the people of Germany — which welcomed Jews and offered them security and prosperity;
    the people of Great Britain — which welcomed Jews and offered them security and prosperity;

    all of those states — ALL of them — ultimately were set upon by the Jewish migrants that they had welcomed into their fold.
    Hence it seems reasonable to add to the list:

    the people of the United States — which welcomed Jews and offered them security and prosperity.

    ** Poland-Russia-Germany and their entangled relationship to Jewry is its own category that is, in my assessment, at the heart of the matter of discerning the true nature of zionism. What is called “World War II” (and WWI as its prequel) could/should more aptly studied as the War of Jewish Migration.

  246. geokat62 says:
    @juster

    As for the articles you mention, I have read Mearsheimer and Walt only. I found it about 50% convincing.

    Curious to learn what you found unconvincing.

  247. Boris says:
    @Chris Mallory

    No one is buying your little retcon of the Constitution. It’s amusing that you think merely being related to someone who was in the colonies 200 years ago entitles you to an entire country.

    An accident of birth is your most prized achievement? Now that’s just sad.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  248. @Boris

    It’s amusing that you think merely being related to someone who was in the colonies 200 years ago entitles you to an entire country.

    o the Fe ony.

    the entire concept, ideology, and bloody trajectory of zionism are firmly planted in the notion that “someone” that was in the Levant 2000 years ago entitles Jews to an entire country.

  249. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    OK enough with the moon 😉

    Well I couldn’t agree more. Dennis Ross, Kristol, Foxman, Lew and any number of these prominent members ought to focus their energies on matters important to the U.S., infrastructure being the most obvious. Summers, Stiglitz, Krugman, have been on a crusade on this front.

    The real problem is not financial, but a combination of cynicism [Ryan, McConnell], political grandstanding [Christie] and cluelessess [the entire Tea Party block]. The U.S. can lock fund ten year infra spending plan at 1.7% which is less than inflation, meaning on a real basis, the world is PAYING US TO engage in infrastructure spending!! Not taking that offer is really a crime. This is my main reason for supporting Trump. He obviously gets it. For a businessman this is a “no brainer”. Killary doesn’t get it. She would be an unmitigated disaster. If she wins the world economy will experience further stress, and I am quite sure that issues like the Palestinian problem will fade further in the horizon for most, especially Europeans.

    Look, I think the AIPAC is actually very aware that its image needs an uplift; to that end if it can successfully get behind infrastructure spending, pension funding etc. it might be a clever way of approaching them to do some actual good. Seeds of an idea. …something I am 100% sure most Jewish Americans will support.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @bondo
    , @Art
  250. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Sorry juster, it’s not my job to pull your chestnuts out of the fire. I’m not particularly concerned what happens to you or to Jews in general.”

    May I disagree, juster’s problem is our problem. Clearly the world’s tribal Jew problem is real. All life is sacred – we must find a way for juster to live in peace along with the rest of us.

    Clearly the inferior position of the Jews about life and death has to change. Clearly Israel does not value all life.

    Jesus said to “love your neighbor as you love yourself” and “to love your enemy.” If you are a lover of Jesus or not – if you believe that He is the son of god or not – those words have monumental meaning for humanity. Those words are the ONLY path out of primordial human tribalness.

    Jesus also said “the truth will set you free.” The truth is that Israel is the land of Esther and Mordecai – NOT the land of the law giver Moses. The story is that Esther worked her feminine wiles on the King of Persia and had him install the Jew Mordecai to power. Mordecai then went to war and killed 75,000 Persians – NOT because it was necessary – but because he could. This has been the proudest holiday of the Jew tribe for thousands of years. The Jew psyche is steeped in this death story along with others.

    On the other had Moses was the law giver who said “thou shall not kill.”

    Hmm – which is it – “kill your enemy” or “shall not kill?” Hmm – killing gets more killing.

    The world’s Jew have a choice – Moses or Mordecai – it is truly up to them.

    It seems that juster has chosen Moses – we must support him.

  251. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Ah OK – it seems to be a misunderstanding…

    some of the best critics of Israel are Jews

    I specifically mentioned this in order to parry to accusation that others were making that Jews are all tribal and never change and are not self-critical. That they are all part of some evil elite – which is simply not the case, as evidenced by some of the names I put forward. This of course got me a crypto-Jew label from bondo since I won’t paint with a broad brush.

    reminiscent of previous European colonial intrusions

    One can view it as just two incompatible groups, but that is a) ignoring some of the historical context and b) not viewing it as how it is viewed by the people on the ground there. This is not the same as Armenians and Azeris or Turks and Kurds wrestling over land, this is more like the Boers in South Africa. Jews have lived in the Middle East for centuries; Anatolia, Transoxiana, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Palestine, etc. If is was simply these indigenous people that coalesced into that area, that would have resulted in a significantly different outcome than what we are seeing. However, the state of Israel is foremost a European enterprise that was founded by Jews intellectuals from Europe backed by the colonial powers of the Levant at the time; France and Britain. The same guys who gave us the nation-state boundaries of Iraq, Syria, etc. To not factor that into the equation is to over-simplify it; this is not Bloods vs Crips.

    isn’t this the standard view of any ethny

    No doubt everyone lauds their culture over others, but people don’t say they are “God’s chosen people” or, as I mentioned about some of the Rabbinical views about Jews being of a completely different modality than Gentiles. If you don’t believe me, you can ask Greasy to confirm. This honestly doesn’t bother me, since it is a theological error that Islam came to correct – but I was laying it out as something that is a point of contention for others. Please note that I started my list worded carefully: “As far as some of the other things that Jews are criticized for…”

    Blame the Jews then “even-handedly” walk it back

    Note, I blame some Jews, those elites who have no moral compass and care not for the lives and families that they are ruining. People like the head of Vivid and AshleyMadison – not to mention many who are involved in the upper echelons of Hollywood. Is this not an empirically valid statement to make? I remember the Jewish group on our campus once published a report in their university newspaper about how Jews were so influential in the media and entertainment industry, they had put a number like 40% or 50% in the higher-ups – it was a matter of pride for them. That was back in the 90’s so I don’t know how things have shifted. I recently had a wonderful conversation with an Orthodox Rabbi in LAX. I didn’t bring up the topic of Israel in order to make sure it remained cordial, but we had a great discussion about their juristic tradition and comparisons with the Islamic scholarly tradition. We also spoke over how rules of modesty for men and women were very similar – so I don’t believe whatever rot these vile elite are purveying has much to do with the Rabbinic tradition that goes back to the covenant at Zion.

    I use Jimbo instead of Tom, Dick and Harry at times. I could use the Arabic – fulan-ibn-fulan (so and so – son of – so and so). Jimbo likes to cavort with scantily clad women and it has ruined his marriage, but he would rather blame it on someone else than his own moral failings. So you tell me if you know any Jimbos… 🙂

    Let’s see what juster has to say? I should probably duck while waiting for his response since this comment is bound to get more poo flung my way.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    • Replies: @iffen
  252. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Look, I think the AIPAC is actually very aware that its image needs an uplift; to that end if it can successfully get behind infrastructure spending, pension funding etc. it might be a clever way of approaching them to do some actual good. Seeds of an idea. …something I am 100% sure most Jewish Americans will support.

    Come on, Sam… an image makeover for AIPAC, really? You know as well as I that convincing AIPAC to “get behind infrastructure spending, pension funding etc” is a joke.

    As Philip Weiss makes clear, this comes down to an intra-community battle. And the dividing lines are crystal clear: Israel first or America first.

    Unfortunately, most Zionists initially believed they could have their cake and eat it too… but the trillions of dollars spent and all the lives lost the past 15 years of remaking the ME has made things painfully obvious… even to most of the dumb goy – i.e., it has become much harder to conceal the fact that the Lobby is doing massive damage to the interests of the average American.

    But something tells me that most of the community are still in denial, thinking that most dumb goy are still enthralled by the hasbara continually being spewed by MSM. As I mentioned in a previous comment, I’m not hopeful about the future as I believe the Lobby has struck a Faustian bargain with Killary – i.e., she will become the first female POTUS in exchange for taking the special relationship to the next level.

    Given what lies ahead, if I were part of the community, I would be trying to shut down the Lobby (AIPAC, CoP, AEIF, WINEP, ADL, etc,) not trying to give it a makeover, IMHO.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  253. bondo says:
    @Sam Shama

    “image needs an uplift”

    yes, let’s apply makeup to hide jewry’s cancerous, parasitic nature.
    sam uses lots of makeup to fool the unaware
    aipac vs j street
    right wing vs left wing
    one bird, same goal

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  254. Sam Shama says:
    @bondo

    Tell me, how successful do you reckon you will be in countering these organisations? Any ideas beyond rushing the hill on the Web?

    • Replies: @bondo
  255. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    In an ideal world I would be behind shutting them down., making them subject to FARA. Do you think that you can run the table on this game?

    I like to deal with things I can realistically influence.

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @geokat62
  256. alexander says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam, Geo,

    With great power comes great responsibility.

    And , unfortunately, Aipac blew it.

    As the stewards of our nation, what did they do ? They eviscerated our constitution, and ransacked our treasury.

    Their policy of defrauding us into reckless, bogus, criminal wars of aggression has cost us tens of trillions of dollars we simply do not have.

    We are running an unconscionable 19 trillion dollar debt ,right now, the bulk of which has been spent on War Fraud…Banking Fraud …and Terror fraud.

    I don’t think its enough just to shut them down…they need to be held to account for the humongous debt their fraud has created.

    I want my money back .

    Don’t you ?

    I think they need to be arrested and have their assets clawed back to the taxpayer.

    Then, Aipac can go bankrupt, and the United States can regain some solvency.

    If they lied us into war..that’s “war fraud”…..they should pay for it..

    Why should we ?.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  257. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Do you think that you can run the table on this game?

    Sam, you missed my point. This isn’t about me. It’s about the community and I certainly hope they can run the table, as you put it, because it’s the community that stands to lose the most, if they don’t manage to turn things around quickly.

    Me? I’m just a dumb goy whose afraid he’s destined to be a Cassandra.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  258. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    “Look, I think the AIPAC is actually very aware that its image needs an uplift”

    Sam,

    Get it — those people at AIPAC are killers – they coerce people into killing for them.

    All the killing – all the blood sense 9/11 – all the hurt around the world – and you say tut tut – fix the image.

    Right and wrong are meaningless – justice means nothing — just save the Jew image.

    How intellectually and morally low, how inferior of you.

    Art

    p.s. Of course all that ignores the tremendous damage that those AIPAC supporters have done to America, its government, and its economy, its good people, and indeed the whole world.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  259. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Geo
    Where is the “community” of the US today? Inhabiting a really dystopian place.

    Furthermore I don’t really care what Philip Weiss says. A great many people get carried away by the hyperbole they create. From where I sit, it is far from clear to me that most Americans of Jewish extraction [even the rank and file of AIPAC] would oppose the re-building of American infra. They live here; and I don’t think they view it as a zero sum game.

    If you have a convincing plan to dis-assemble AIPAC I am all ears. We are dealing with an organisation that is running the table on American politics. To the extent they engage in some good while at it, ought to be a net positive, wouldn’t it?

    And dispense with the “dumb goy” bit, won’t you please? 😉

    • Replies: @geokat62
  260. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @alexander

    As the stewards of our nation,

    AIPAC — “the stewards of our nation”

    are you frickin serious!

    • Replies: @alexander
  261. alexander says:
    @anonymous

    ” Am I fricking serious ?

    Unfortunately, Anonymous, I am.

    They have been running the whole show….soup to nuts….and the Neocons, especially, since 9-11.

    I wish I could give you some better news, but I can’t.

  262. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    You fellows amaze me with your ļimited grasp of reality. And the self indulgent chest beating, while the electorate does what it does. Even Trump, I am fairly sure now, will NOT do what you dream of.
    So what is your plan? Save your impotent “morality ” for that dinner table commiseration with your ephemeral pal Moshe. Art, at times you write like a barely literate idiot, and at other times far more eloquently. So it’s rather obvious….etc. do you really believe you are achieving anything tangible?

    I hardly think people in this country care beyond their immediate and medium term needs, and AIPAC means literally nothing to them.

    Try to do things that you can achieve realistically, would be my advice. We all need to vent on occasion, but don’t make it the principal activity.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Art
  263. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … it is far from clear to me that most Americans of Jewish extraction [even the rank and file of AIPAC] would oppose the re-building of American infra. They live here; and I don’t think they view it as a zero sum game.

    Sam, given your PhD in Mathematical Economics, I don’t have to explain to you the concepts of opporntunity costs and trade-offs. If the Lobby is keen on continuing the so-called GWOT, (a front for remaking the ME by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the ZE), trillions more will be redirected from infrastructure investment to these endless wars. And if the American people want to understand why they were denied a peace dividend immediately following the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991 (a decade before 9/11), I think this quote by Irving Kristol (the father of Bill Kristol) sums things up quite well:

    Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel... Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel.

    P.S. I promise to dispense with the “dumb goy” bit, as soon as you dispense with these arguments that clearly presume we’re dumb goy – e.g., giving AIPAC an image makeover.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  264. @Talha

    Dear Talha- Whether I agree with you or not, I always appreciate your gentle good manners and willingness to take a punch. Such patience. Such respect! Thank you for being courteous and, in general, a good example for those of us out there who (sometimes very aggressively) test our ideas and advance our contentious views.

    Peace, my friend.

    • Replies: @Talha
  265. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    “Try to do things that you can achieve realistically, would be my advice.” Excellent advice. But what can we do? I believe people like Art, frustrated by their apparent impotence (-how many took to the streets to oppose the 2003 Iraq war, but Bush invaded anyway-) are crying out in desperation in the various internet bubbles. And in fact, even though I persevere with what are supposed to be realistic efforts, it’s largely thankless. The gears of the New World Order grind on. If you have some achievable targets, please share. 🙂

    If you can, go and meet Miko Peled on Tuesday, April 19. Maybe you could help him. I’m sure he’d love to speak at your synagogue, if you could arrange it.

    ** “Miko Peled on Peace in Israel/Palestine”, 1 pm, at the U.N. Church Center (44th St. and 1st Ave, in Manhattan.) The event is hosted by the NGO Working Group at the United Nations on Israel and Palestine and co-hosted by Just World Books. Coffee will be served.

    ** “Miko Peled on Hopes for the Future in Israel/Palestine”, at 7 pm, at St. Michael’s Church, 225 West 99th Street, Manhattan (btwn Broadway & Amsterdam.) This event is hosted by the Task Force on Israel-Palestine at St. Michael’s Church and co-hosted by Just World Books. It is co-sponsored by Brooklyn for Peace; Jewish Voice for Peace–NYC Chapter; the Tree of Life Educational Fund; and Jews say No!

    http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=6051805ea28d7ad24c553979e&id=ac184503fb

    PS. Had an exasperating conversation with my NYC cousin yesterday. After boasting about always voting, she gave the pathetic reasons she’ll vote for Hillary: 1) she is a ‘New Yorker’, and 2) she’d like a woman president. Even in the primary? I asked. Yes. On issues she knew from nothing. Discussion was pointless. My cousin is a foolish elderly woman. I wish there weren’t so many like her.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Art
  266. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Allright.

    I really don’t believe that Kristol’s ideas are anywhere near as influential as they once were. AIPAC membership I sense, is not open to sponsoring war as they did during the salad days of GWB.

    I also sense, actually know, that many of AIPAC’s leadership have faced very difficult questions from its membership. Perhaps my characterisation of a makeover was not the most acceptable metaphor, but I do believe that many are feeling the need for a very different course for the organisation. In my estimation, it has to start with membership money coming with strings attached. Then rooting out the old guard. Those are my
    incremental goals. I have no interest in misleading anyone. None.

    Again we all must follow our own paths, and I believe that stopping Hillary is the proximate goal. AIPAC needs to be changed via a leadership purge. Also support the application of FARA requirements, if possible [what makes us think the membership will accept this? ]

    • Replies: @geokat62
  267. Talha says:
    @Mark Green

    Thank you Mark – may God grant you honor for honoring me. I, as well, have enjoyed your contributions which have also shown civility (which is probably why I read them – a hint to those who would want others to consider your opinions with serious thought).

    As for any praiseworthy traits you find, I am reminded of the aphorism by the mystic and Maliki scholar of Alexandria, Ibn Ata Allah (may God raise his rank):
    “Whoever respects and honors you, has in reality neither respected nor honored you, but he has respected and honored the act of Divine Concealment (of your faults).”

    May God grant us all good etiquette in our interactions.

  268. bondo says:
    @Sam Shama

    the web is excellent medium for waging war, countering/fighting lies and liars.

    notice it terrifies israel/jewry.

    an army of liars, deceivers have been marshalled to counter truth and resistance.

    note sam the sham and the fake muslims.

    like j street and like oreobama the house negro smiling, shaking hands at same time putting knife into the back.

    helping the unaware, gullible to notice is step one.

    you are exhibit 1. talha is #2.

  269. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Ah OK – it seems to be a misunderstanding…

    I don’t think that it is a misunderstanding. I think that it is a different understanding. You posit Jews who have dissenting views from the “orthodox” Zionists as exceptions. The logic is sound. You are telling them; here are many exceptions to the rule, therefore your rule cannot be valid. However, the people to whom you are presenting the argument will ignore and reject it. They already have their exception to the rule; The Righteous Jew. (I love these little shortcuts to understanding. When someone plays The Righteous Jew card, I know that I can stop right there and not waste any more of my time.) Here you are with your specific named exceptions in your hand and with logic guarding your back and you change no one’s mind. In fact, you can solidify their view with your argument. (If the shoe doesn’t fit; rename it and call it a Jew.)

    Now, let’s turn to my BS accusation. You have your opinion and view of Israel (well-grounded in facts) and as proof or support of that opinion you say, “here are Jews that have similar opinions.” The idea that your opinion gets some sort of seal of approval because dissident Jews share the opinion is not a valid supporting argument. The fact that Jews can have different opinions is not a defense against the accusation of anti-Semitism. The “Jewishness” of the opinion holder does not add weight to the opinion. I noted an analogous argument by racists. If you are discussing the slave economy of the Southern states, inevitably someone will point out that Africans were usually captured and sold by other Africans. This fact is believed by some to be some sort of inoculation or protection against the accusation of racism. It’s not; it doesn’t have anything to do with the price of tea in China.

    • Replies: @Talha
  270. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I have no interest in misleading anyone. None.

    Thanks, Sam.

    As you may have already inferred, I really appreciate interacting with people who are willing to be brutally honest when it comes to speaking their minds, especially about matters that have life and death consequences… It’s the thing I look for, and value most, in another person.

    Also support the application of FARA requirements, if possible

    As you know, Sam, anything is possible.

  271. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    Things you can do:
    To Jewish folk:
    1. stop sending money to AIPAC
    2. Send emails to Netanyahu’s office relaying your disgust.
    3. Speak to other Jews and convince them to see AIPAC and other organisations for what they are doing to this country’s fabric of conduct and government.
    4. Speak to your Rabbi and work on him with other like minded congregants to help him cross the Rubicon. This will be hard.
    5. Send your money [directly or indirectly] to causes and actions promoted by Miko Peled, Finklestein, etc. [Robin I am on Castaway Island battling 9 year old hordes on the 19th] . Tell your NYC cousin that Hillary is actually not a woman anymore, having undergone reassignment surgery a few years back.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @alexander
    , @Art
  272. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Tell your NYC cousin that Hillary is actually not a woman anymore, having undergone reassignment surgery a few years back.

    LOL

  273. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Dear iffen,

    Yes, I agree, if one wants to glean a completely different conclusion from my words, they can. But I think those kind of people are not on any kind of spectrum of opinion that can be convinced otherwise.

    The idea that your opinion gets some sort of seal of approval because dissident Jews share the opinion is not a valid supporting argument.

    I agree, but that was not my contention. I am saying; my conclusion is the moral position based on the facts (historic and current). If someone concludes the same (Jewish or otherwise), it is an indication of their ability to arrive at the moral position in spite of the narrative in the media or their own tribal inclinations – not vice versa. Their (correct) stance vis-a-vis Israel and its policies is a validation of their humanity – not the other way around. Even if all the Jews in the world fully backed Israel to the hilt (which they all obviously don’t) – it would be irrelevant to the question of morality; any more than if one can prove Genghis Khan may have had a 100% approval rating among The Horde for his policies.

    Makes sense?

    May God preserve you and yours.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @iffen
  274. alexander says:
    @Sam Shama

    How interesting to learn ,Sam,

    After reading the Mondoweiss article on the fallacy of the Camp David accords, and the supposed ‘unprecedented and generous” peace offer (which Arafat was reported to have dismissed), turned out to be mostly hot air.

    What can we say ?

    It is becoming crystal clear, to all, that Israel wishes to exterminate Palestine…and take nearly all its land, for itself.

    If this behavior is not reminiscent of all the most belligerent forms of fascism we have learned to abhor: extermination and Lebensraum….What is ?

    Israel seems to find itself in a weird, almost double position, of trying somehow to kinda secretly give a nod to ethnic exterminations and the taking of land through force …… as long as it is “Israel” who is doing the exterminating and the land grabbing.

    Nazism is good..if, and only if ,it is practiced by the Jews as a kind of Jewish Supremacism…against the untermenchen Palestinians, ….but when it was practiced against us, in Hitlers Germany, it was the greatest crime of all humanity.

    Certainly the reality of the Holocaust would have every soul who perished in Treblinka and Auschwitz rolling in their graves at the thought of such behavior..and utter hypocrisy….

    “Have we really become all that we despise ?”

    “Have we, Sam?”

    “And if we have, doesn’t it undermine, to the core, the very existence of our enterprise ?”

  275. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Just a clarification; by “validation of their humanity”, I meant the compassion and empathy for others that defines humaneness.

  276. If you have a convincing plan to dis-assemble AIPAC I am all ears. We are dealing with an organisation that is running the table on American politics. To the extent they engage in some good while at it, ought to be a net positive, wouldn’t it?

    Splendid, my good man, simply splendid!

    Several things we can agree upon:

    If you have a convincing plan to dis-assemble NSDAP I am all ears. We are dealing with an organisation that is running the table on European politics. To the extent they engage in some good while at it, ought to be a net positive, wouldn’t it?

    addendum: NSDAP serves as the model for infrastructure improvement, wot? Hitler did achieve full employment by greatly extending the autobahn; vastly increasing and improving building of homes for working-class Germans; investing heavily and productively in manufacture of an automobile that ordinary Germans could afford . . .

    Before you register your outrage at the moral equivalence, Sam, Yes, I do consider AIPAC and the associated groups as geokat62 listed to be enormously destructive and to have the blood of thousands, even millions on their hands.

    Slavery perdured in (what is now) the United States for nearly 250 years. It was supported equally by good Christians and those of no religion; by Jews and by non-Jews.

    Several attempts were made to put lipstick on that pig as well; lines were drawn saying This crime against humanity may be committed THERE but not HERE.

    Many, many people had no awareness at all of the misery of slave life, reminiscent of your assertion @ 270:

    I hardly think people in this country care beyond their immediate and medium term needs, and AIPAC means literally nothing to them.

    Let’s not be too hard on the “people of this country” and their parochial concerns — human beings are hardwired to see only that which is within their immediate field of vision, and which impacts them and theirs directly. For most people, the energy required to attend to those immediate concerns is consumed in those endeavors.

    Some others of us have, for one reason or another, the opportunity and capacity to expand our field of vision and to expend energies more widely. Some of those in that position consider it an obligation to use their best efforts to dis-assemble what they perceive to be a grievous evil in their community and their world.

    It took many years to dis-assemble slavery, and it occurred only after near-apocalyptic violence, consistent with the fundamentals of the neoconservative theology: War has Worth; war is necessary.

    @ 259 Talha wrote:

    I recently had a wonderful conversation with an Orthodox Rabbi in LAX. I didn’t bring up the topic of Israel in order to make sure it remained cordial, but we had a great discussion about their juristic tradition and comparisons with the Islamic scholarly tradition. We also spoke over how rules of modesty for men and women were very similar – so I don’t believe whatever rot these vile elite are purveying has much to do with the Rabbinic tradition that goes back to the covenant at Zion.

    Had Talha lived on the North American continent 160 years ago, it’s safe to assume he/she would have enjoyed conversations about the latest theories of theosophy, and might even have participated in efforts to provide shoes for slaves, but Talha would not have polluted the atmosphere of cordiality by actually confronting the outrage of one human being owning another human as chattel.
    In the effort at dis-assembling a wrong, some people will engage in such scholarly colloquy — Theodor Herzl wrote in Der Judenstaat that the Jewish community was overloaded with “mediocre intellects” whose lack of gainful employment produced a tendency toward revolutionary and socialist entanglements — while others will maintain that only direct confrontation can achieve the desired end. That confrontation begins with calling things as they are; with identifying the enemy as the enemy rather than allowing oneself to be deceived by the camouflage of labels such as “allies” who “share our values.”

    No, Sam Shama, some of us do NOT share the values of those who consider killing Palestinians a god-given right; nor do we find it unobjectionable that numerous persons who do hold that conviction have persuaded, by fair means and foul, the governing, financing, and military apparatus of the United States to endorse and participate in those deadly activities, using American taxpayers’ treasure and blood to do so, Against Our Better Judgment.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  277. bondo says:

    nice to find out the jews posting here like their bro jews, finkelstein, chomsky, avnery, mondoweiss, silverstein, can now admit that israel has no right to exist. that the land occupied by illegal alien khazars is palestine and belongs to the palestinians.

    they agree bds should be supported and extended to all businesses, individuals dealing with the terror entity self named israel.

    all occupiers and supporters of this terror entity should be arrested and tried for war crimes, crimes against humanity.

    that all possessions they claim should be seized and given to the victims of jewry to include the victims in usa of the terror attack on 9-11 by jews.

    our jews are a somewhat decent lot

    i would say “thank their g-d” but their small, incomplete g-d is satan/the collective.

    just go find some young gentile child, drain blood, make matzos.

    recipe can be found in a. toaff’s book

    if not burned

    • Replies: @Boris
  278. Boris says:
    @bondo

    bondo the nazi hath spoken

  279. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    “You fellows amaze me with your ļimited grasp of reality. … yada … yada … yada … Try to do things that you can achieve realistically, would be my advice.”

    Sam are you OK, have you had a stroke? Has illness caused you to do a 180 – you say it is helpless to go against the Jew – once you where against the Big Jews. Now you say “you are stupid – just give up dummy!” Which is it Little Jew – where is the true Sam? Where has he always been?

    Sam — realistically you Jews are losing. Every day more and more people are getting to know your culture for what it is – more and more people of the world see your treatment of the Palestinian people (and that treatment will only get worse). More and more people see your coercion of America and the West (and they do not like it). Now you squeeze the top of our culture – but make no mistake, your Stockholm control of the establishment will die in ONE day.

    Art

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  280. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Do you really fancy erecting these strawmen arguments, false correspondences and really, a troubled appeal to dormant sexual angst?

    Well I am jolly well going to enter the scrummage then!

    Your narrative betrays shades of Narnia; through the cupboard you’ve crawled and summoned the Wehrmacht to the present. [During my last visit to Frankfurt I thought Germans were more American in outlook really, not a jack boot in sight; and I learnt the word backpfeifengesicht from a button a German girl gave me, with old Adolph’s face on it!

    The NSDAP built the Autobahns and expanded infrastructure for the benefit of Germans who are good engineers, certainly, but so are the Japanese, the Chinese, the Singaporeans etc. You seem to suggest that in order to build good roads a people need also be accomplished mass murderers. I think not. So cry me a River S2C. Two can play that game.

    Talking about running the tables in European politics, had you lived then, you would’ve surely noticed that it was his Majesty King G’s government and its allies that did so in the end. So tell me again why should one not be anything but dismissive of the aggressor yet the ultimately conquered?

    Spare me the comparison to slaves, the people here in the U.S. today. More like overfed seals, waiting for their government checques and the readily available mobility scooters. I haven’t seen this much govt issued medical hardware as I am in FL! These people actually like living in their dystopian world. Change that culture first, allright?

    I must say that you were going at a good clip there, until you decided to attack Talha for his decency and civility, urging him to call Jews his true enemy. I suspect it won’t work. [You flung a similar invective at me back in the days I recall, and I came to a rather late realisation that natural biliousness and lunar cycles are the keys to unlocking the mysteries of your otherwise unremarkable character].

    So to round it off, mate, you can stuff your angular accusations that I endorse the killing of Palestinians up your arse.

    Anything else?

  281. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    Also please refrain from attempting to paraphrase Herzl.

  282. Art says:
    @RobinG

    I believe people like Art, frustrated by their apparent impotence (-how many took to the streets to oppose the 2003 Iraq war, but Bush invaded anyway-) are crying out in desperation in the various internet bubbles.

    RobinG,

    Because I challenge the Jew “as Jews” – it makes people very uneasy – after 60 years of propaganda 24/7/365 year after year, people are squeamish about using the word “Jew.”

    I challenge their religion, their god, and their aberrant tribalism. This is unacceptable in today’s culture (by the way, a politically correct culture created by Jews).

    Yes, this is unpopular – so be it – I make my points (too often, not well) – it is necessary to know the opposition – to know where they are coming from – to know their inherent dark side.

    Art

  283. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    Realistically Art, if you notice my exchanges with Geokat, Alexander and Robin, you might get a clue that we are questioning and debating ideas and possible courses of action. It’s called the Socratic method. Those who do not, or deliberately choose not to understand that are quick to fling accusations of low morality Yada Yada yada.

    If it makes you feel better [over pork and beans] in believing that the JEWS are losing, so be it. I’ll chalk that one up to public service.

    • Replies: @Art
  284. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    lunar cycles are the keys

    I thought you stated that you had gotten the mileage out of this and you were going to let it go.

    You seem to have a bit of a hard on for my fat peeps and I think you should knock it off.

  285. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Things you can do:
    To Jewish folk:
    1. stop sending money to AIPAC
    2. Send emails to Netanyahu’s office relaying your disgust.
    3. … yada…
    4. …yada…

    Sam,

    That is useless – if you want to save your people. You’ll have to find Moses the law giver and reject the murderous Mordecai. You must put Moses – “Thou shall not kill” – at the top of Jew thinking. Nothing short of that will do.

    The time you waste making comments against me is wasted – you just perpetuate the current arch of events that are not going your way. You need to get on the Jew web sites and post that truth. In your heart you know this to be true.

    Art

  286. @Sam Shama

    a troubled appeal to dormant sexual angst?

    whoa nellie!
    you’re making me laugh, Sam! I hope you’re prepared to take responsibility for wrecking the axle on my Hover-round.

    the customary rejoinder to such a complete and total meltdown as you just displayed would be to say, Gee Sam, you’re cute when you’re angry.

    But in your case it’s the reverse: with very little probing the Mask of Sam slips away and the “sexual angst” spouting Sam explodes into view, like the Incredible Hulk popping out of his button-down shirt.

    Not to worry, Sam; the phenomenon is not that unusual. One of our kids does something similar — when we get calls or messages laced with over-the-top politeness we know for certain that something is really bothering, and enormous efforts are being made to conceal the distress — lipstick on a pig, but the pig will oink, after all.

    Most of your — shall we call it a response? What you wrote was certainly not a refutation — is not worth the time to consider and reply, but as for the Herzl — take it from the horse’s, uh, mouth:

    At the same time, the equal rights of Jews before the law cannot be withdrawn where they have once been conceded. Not only because their withdrawal would be opposed to the spirit of our age, but also because it would immediately drive all Jews, rich and poor alike, into the ranks of subversive parties. Nothing effectual can really be done to our injury.

    In olden days our jewels were seized. How is our movable property to be got hold of now? It consists of printed papers which are locked up somewhere or other in the world, perhaps in the coffers of Christians. It is, of course, possible to get at shares and debentures in railways, banks and industrial undertakings of all descriptions by taxation, and where the progressive income-tax is in force all our movable property can eventually be laid hold of.

    But all these efforts cannot be directed against Jews alone, and wherever they might nevertheless be made, severe economic crises would be their immediate consequences, which would be by no means confined to the Jews who would be the first affected. The very impossibility of getting at the Jews nourishes and embitters hatred of them. Anti-Semitism increases day by day and hour by hour among the nations; indeed, it is bound to increase, because the causes of its growth [91]continue to exist and cannot be removed.

    Its remote cause is our loss of the power of assimilation during the Middle Ages; its immediate cause is our excessive production of mediocre intellects, who cannot find an outlet downwards or upwards—that is to say, no wholesome outlet in either direction. When we sink, we become a revolutionary proletariat, the subordinate officers of all revolutionary parties; and at the same time, when we rise, there rises also our terrible power of the purse.

    apology accepted.
    it’s the kinda guy I am.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  287. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Aye.

    And meltdown is something you know all too well, don’t you? Recall the time when someone went sniffling to Ron Unz, after threatening physical harm on well known public figures?

    Me melting down? Just the foie gras, served with the ’85 d’Yquem, as I type thistuff on the phone, due sou’sou-West of Castaway cay.

  288. @Blake

    a significant element of ‘anti semitism’ may be the frightened effort of Christian Americans (especially) to form an identity that can segregate the evil that American Christians have participated in, by depositing those acts on the Jewish doorstep.

    Ira Chernus

    LIBERALS ARE AMBIVALENT ABOUT WAR AGAINST EVIL

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  289. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    The first question is the single most stupid question I have seen in many , many years.
    Why did germans keep records of everything…..down to the gold fillings in jewish teeth?
    Because……wait for it…….they are germans!
    That’s what germans do, they are a very meticulous people.
    You obviously never went to Germany.
    They even kept an extra set of books just in case!
    And why would they build camps?
    Because now they could kill 2000 people with Cyklon B in 15 minutes and cremate them in the same building!
    Efficiency is another german trademark.
    The rest is just ramblings from a complete idiot – jewish population went from 18 to 12 million after WW2 – sure, they just disappeared into thin air or died from typhoid.
    Or you could take a trip to Bad Arolsen and read the files yourself……you have to learn german though and somehow I think that would be too much a challenge.

  290. @anonymouse

    “Israel paid compensation.”
    So fucking what?

    “Apparently they misidentified the ship as an unfriendly Soviet info gathering ship. ”
    Citation needed. What is your source of this? There is plenty of evidence they knew what they were doing.

    “This was during their 1967 war. So?”
    I see, so in your mind the sinking of the Lusitania by a german u-boat was fine and dandy because it happened “during their war”. Some fine logic you got going there, pal.

  291. Boris says:

    I see, so in your mind the sinking of the Lusitania by a german u-boat was fine and dandy because it happened “during their war”.

    Who is writing stupid articles about the Lusitania and how it proves all Germans are evil?

    You people keep proving that the obsession with the USS Liberty is driven by your own biases.

  292. iffen says:
    @Talha

    You can’t claim the “moral and humane” position in this debate (it’s against the rules) because that leaves the person disagreeing with you (and I do disagree with you) as “immoral and inhuman.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  293. @SolontoCroesus

    I tend to to doubt that S2C. I don’t see much questioning of Jews or Israel coming from American churches. If anything, the church is running cover and supporting philosemitism.

    Whatever the case, Jews could help themselves by not having allegiance to Israel, voting like Puerto Ricans, supporting every sort of anti-Americanism and anti-white views that can be dredged up, putting forth groups like AIPAC, SPLC, ADL, etc., or pushing for war in the ME. Jews are a major source of their own problems. As much as I dislike organized Christianity, I really don’t care what happens to Jews, or if they are scapegoated. A thorn removed is still a thorn removed.

  294. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    jewish population went from 18 to 12 million after WW2 – sure, they just disappeared into thin air or died from typhoid.

    Many Jews fled Poland for Russia, where they were safe and invisible — got lost in the chaos.
    Many Jews fled Germany and Poland for Palestine, where their entry was contrary to British mandate regulations — might not have been counted.
    A lot of Jews gained entry to USA, to South American countries; some even accepted Trujillo’s offer. A lot of Jews remained in France and Italy. and Switzerland.

    A lot of entries at Yad Vashem are duplicates.

    A lot of the claims of having lost family are based on faulty memory — reasonable, in view of the confusion & trauma of fleeing, etc.

    Another thing: the British were listening to almost everything SS was saying to each other and to their superiors. The records of those conversations still exist; the British keep them locked up. Wouldn’t you think the British would release those reams of documents if they supported the 6 million claim?

  295. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Dear iffen,

    No debating from me (others definitely are)…I’m simply stating my position and even that is a clarification to what others have posted. Remember, my participation simply started as a reply to juster (juster, you there man? or did maverick really shoot you down?) in order to outline some things people have criticized Jewish people for.

    But as far as your comment, let me clarify further…

    the person disagreeing with you (and I do disagree with you) as “immoral and inhuman.”

    That is induction, but comes to a false conclusion. There is some truth to your statement in this sense…

    I have zero compunctions in stating the following:
    Anyone (Jewish or not) who is well-informed of the historical and current facts of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and backs Israeli current policy without qualifications has indeed taken an immoral and inhumane stance with regard to that conflict.

    This is fairly easy for me to do. I recognize most of the governments in the Middle East are horrendous and have many inhumane and immoral policies; imprisonment without due process, torture, projecting military force beyond their borders and in violation of agreements they are signatory to, support of their own ethno-linguistic group to the detriment of others (inside and outside their borders), etc.

    I simply refuse to give Israel a pass where others would.

    As for other people who do not fall into that statement I made above; they may fall into the following categories:
    1. Immoral and inhumane – informed or not – they don’t care about who is disenfranchising or killing Arabs as long as the body bags are piling up.
    2. Misinformed – take their marching orders from the sainted Bill O’Reilly or his cohorts.
    3. Ignorant – Jimbo is too busy swiping on Tinder in order to attain the next feel-up so he doesn’t have time to analyze the position of his political party (which he backs without question in order to get into someone’s pants).

    Makes sense now?

    May God preserve you and yours.

    • Replies: @iffen
  296. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Dear S2C,

    Not my intention to aggravate or cause conflict, so please don’t take this as such.

    First, ‘Talha’ [طلحئ] is a name for males in Arabic. However, it is on a female structure, thus the confusion is not surprising. Male names of this type have specific grammar rules attached to them.

    Anyway…

    I won’t go into your comments about what I may have done in antebellum North America, however – as far as my conversation with the Rabbi:
    1. I don’t always bring up politics in every conversation that I have; ie. if I am talking to my kid’s teacher, I don’t ask them what their stance on the invasion of Iraq was.
    2. He may well have been in total agreement with me vis-a-vis Israeli policy – I just don’t know since the conversation never got there.
    3. I was in LAX, and I am a visibly obvious Muslim male (I have a beard and a skull cap). Anyone in my position who does not approach any and all conversations in an airport in post-9/11 America with complete cordiality, seems to me, to be either; 1) insane, 2) been living in a cave, 3) or seems tired of life and is pondering the epitaph on his own grave. 🙁

    May God preserve you and yours.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @RobinG
  297. @Anonymous

    I don’t think anyone is claiming the six million figure anymore. There is no doubt that the Germans rounded up lots of people, including Jews, and put them in camps. Probably most also had their belongings confiscated to be used in the war effort, which is common in wartime. But none of that equals genocide, or is proof that Jews were the greatest victims. If non-Jews were grouped together as Jews were, instead of being separated by nationality, I doubt that Jews were even the largest group of victims by sheer number.

    If large numbers of the dead in the camps died during the last part of the war from disease and starvation when Germany was being bombed back to the stone age, or during the early stages of the war at the hands of German allies in retaliation for their role in prior Bolshevik crimes and killings, then the scope and scale of the traditional holocaust narrative, the crimes of the Nazis, and the victim status of Jews are exaggerated. All of that seems likely to me.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  298. Talha says:
    @Talha

    So sorry, realized an egregious spelling mistake – in my own name nonetheless – which should have been caught before the timeout! How embarrassing – :s

    This is the proper form:
    طلحة

    And anyone with a background in Arabic will immediately recognize the feminine (ة) at the end.

  299. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    You, my friend are no engineer…as I am… the “gas chambers” at Auschwitz could not have been used for what you claim–no gas-tight doors, no easy means of retrieving bodies, no ventilation system. The “operators” of the facilities would have killed themselves operating the facility. Your holocaust ™ tale is going “up in smoke” Ha Ha…the Russian communists “recreated” the camp as a propaganda piece…
    Why don’t you tell me the story about the jewish “soap” and “lampshades”?

    The 6 million figure was bandied about since the late 1800s…

  300. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @juster

    Kind of sucks being Jewish right now to be honest. I can’t speak for the elites but it would seem that no, they have not learned the lessons of history, except insofar as Israel does have nuclear weapons and so won’t be genocided without taking everybody else with them.

    The threat to use nuclear weapons is the gravest threat to the Middle East and to the world.
    It’s stunning that someone, anyone, can blithely post such a dangerous comment with seeming pride. It’s not the comment of a self-aware, critically thinking individual.

    Phil Giraldi and his team are to be applauded for the efforts to ensure that the world does not forget the treacherous attack on the Liberty.

    Foxbats Over Dimona revealed that the 1967 war involved an attempt by Russia to destroy Israel’s nascent nuclear weapons project.

    Reining in Israel’s nuclear weapons and the threat it poses to the region needs to be accomplished.

    Dan Joyner posted on his blog, ArmsControlLaw.com, that such an initiative is underway:

    It’s Time to Outlaw Nuclear Weapons

    Perhaps for the first time, the nuclear-weapon states are really afraid. Not because of their enemies’ nuclear weapons, let alone their own, but because of the likely start of multilateral negotiations for a nuclear-weapons ban. The odds are good that nuclear weapons will be declared illegal in the foreseeable future.

    In fact, it is surprising that nuclear weapons are not yet declared illegal, just as chemical and biological weapons are. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the cornerstone of the nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament regime, only forbids the possession of nuclear weapons. The five nuclear-weapon states that acquired nuclear weapons before the entry into force of the NPT—the United States, Russia, the UK, France and China—were allowed to keep them. At the same time, they pledged to get rid of them. The problem is that this promise dates back to 1970 and there are still fifteen thousand nuclear weapons in the world, endangering every state, not just the few nuclear-weapon states.

  301. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Please take no offense. I was not suggesting that I am worthy of debating you.

    I will simply state my position.

    BTW, you throw a lot of superfluous shit into the conversation, even so, this jimbo cops to lustfully gazing upon scantily clad women on occasion.

    If you look down at the bottom of the comment section, you will see a pool of crocodile tears. These tears have been shed for the Palestinians by people who don’t give a rat’s ass for the welfare of the Palestinians. They only say that they care because they hate “The Jews.”

    My interest in the matter derives from the fact that my country financially supports Israel and I would like for us to stop.

    I don’t really have a “side”; Israeli or Palestinian. They can fight over the land. As far as I know people have fought over land since people appeared.

    I do feel bad when I see people suffering from war and conflict, and I feel a little worse when my government has contributed to the effort. I do my part, I almost always vote for the candidate who presents as the lesser warmonger.

    Do you take sides in every conflict?

    Serb/Croat; Ukrainian/Russian; Hutu/ Tutsi; Kurd/Turk, Syrian, Iranian; Armenian/Turk; Orangemen/IRA; Boer/Bantu?

    Or is Israeli/Palestinian a special case?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Talha
  302. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Realistically Art, if you notice my exchanges with Geokat, Alexander and Robin, you might get a clue that we are questioning and debating ideas and possible courses of action.

    Sam,

    Realistically we are doing what we can – we are talking against Jew coercion of our culture. We are having some success.

    It is YOU who has the heaving lifting to do – you have to convince YOUR people to change their ways.

    May I suggest that you resurrect Moses as a Jewish hero.

    Art

  303. Art says:
    @iffen

    These tears have been shed for the Palestinians by people who don’t give a rat’s ass for the welfare of the Palestinians. They only say that they care because they hate “The Jews.”

    People care about the instability created by Israel regarding the Palestinian people – end of story.

    How much has 9/11 and what has followed cost the American people?

    Our mistreatment of the Palestinians in favor of Israel was a major cause of 9/11 – PERIOD.

    The US Jew has done America NO favors.

  304. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    To wit –

    “The account of a UC Berkeley researcher who was removed from a flight after a fellow passenger heard him speak Arabic on his phone has drawn condemnation and outrage for the airline, Southwest, about a perceived pattern of barring travel.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/16/southwest-airlines-man-removed-flight-arabic
    Southwest Airlines draws outrage over man removed for speaking Arabic

  305. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Dear iffen,

    you throw a lot of superfluous shit into the conversation

    Crudely stated, but point taken; you’re a busy man, I’ll respect your time and be more concise.

    If you look down at the bottom of the comment section, you will see a pool of crocodile tears.

    Indeed, and if you look further down, you’ll see the ‘superfluous’ pile of poo – flung by many of the same – that people like me have to duck since we won’t kowtow to the ritual two-minute-hate against all Jews.

    I almost always vote for the candidate who presents as the lesser warmonger

    Excellent!

    Do you take sides in every conflict?

    Sure, insofar as:
    1) I can research enough to come to an informed decision.
    2) One can conclude that there is actually a side to take; such that one can publicly advocate and pray for the oppressed party. Especially when one’s tax dollars are involved.

    There are some conflicts that are just meat grinders; there are no good sides. Syria reminds me of this. In this case, one should call for immediate cessation of hostilities and support relief efforts for the afflicted population.

    Or is Israeli/Palestinian a special case?

    It is not a special case, as regards the above principles, but it is, no doubt, a unique one.

    May God preserve you and yours.

  306. iffen says:

    Crudely stated, but point taken;

    Yes, I acknowledge and regret my limitations as a writer. It is a small satisfaction to know that I am clear enough to be understood.

    Do you take sides in every conflict?

    Sure, insofar as:
    1) I can research enough to come to an informed decision.
    2) One can conclude that there is actually a side to take; such that one can publicly advocate and pray for the oppressed party. Especially when one’s tax dollars are involved.

    Or is Israeli/Palestinian a special case?

    It is not a special case, as regards the above principles, but it is, no doubt, a unique one.

    If your historical research has been inadequate or if you have mis-interpreted some of the information then you are left with it being a special case, not to mention unique.

    You claim the “moral” position.

    Like Joe Webb, I am a materialist. As part of that materialism I know that there is no “Morality” as such. We make up our Morality as we go along, just like we make up our Truth.

    We also disagree on what is or is not superfluous.

    • Replies: @Talha
  307. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Dear iffen,

    If your historical research has been inadequate or if you have mis-interpreted some of the information

    I make no claims to be infallible.

    We make up our Morality as we go along, just like we make up our Truth.

    Indeed, materialism cannot possibly lead to any other conclusion.

    May God bless you and yours.

  308. tbraton says:
    @bondo

    Thanks for posting the link.

  309. hes says:
    @anonymouse

    Shalom, shalom, sayan. Good try, but… You know… You “chosen” always lie.

  310. hes says:
    @Anonymouse

    Shalom, shalom, sayan. Because you nazi jews were afraid Liberty could monitor your fake radio “arab” communication. You wanted the war so you transmitted “arab preparation for attack”. Your usual tactics.

    • Replies: @Boris
  311. tbraton says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    It should be pointed out that Anne Frank, the poster girl of the Holocaust, was transferred from Auschwitz to Bergen-Belsen, where she died apparently of typhus. I am sure the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. counts her among the “six million.”I am sure that, if you asked people at random how Anne Frank died, the overwhelming number would answer “the gas chambers.” But here is what Wikipedia says about her:

    “Anne and her sister, Margot, were eventually transferred to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where they died (probably of typhus) in February or March 1945, just weeks before the camp was liberated in April.[3]”

    “On 28 October, selections began for women to be relocated to Bergen-Belsen. More than 8,000 women, including Anne and Margot Frank, and Auguste van Pels, were transported. Edith Frank was left behind and later died from starvation.[52] Tents were erected at Bergen-Belsen to accommodate the influx of prisoners, and as the population rose, the death toll due to disease increased rapidly. Frank was briefly reunited with two friends, Hanneli Goslar and Nanette Blitz, who were confined in another section of the camp. Goslar and Blitz survived the war, and later discussed the brief conversations they had conducted with Frank through a fence. Blitz described Anne as bald, emaciated, and shivering. Goslar noted Auguste van Pels was with Anne and Margot Frank, and was caring for Margot, who was severely ill. Neither of them saw Margot, as she was too weak to leave her bunk. Anne told Blitz and Goslar she believed her parents were dead, and for that reason she did not wish to live any longer. Goslar later estimated their meetings had taken place in late January or early February 1945.[53]
    In early 1945, a typhus epidemic spread through the camp, killing 17,000 prisoners.[54] Other diseases, including typhoid fever, were rampant.[55] Due to these chaotic conditions, it is not possible to say what ultimately caused Anne’s death. Witnesses later testified Margot fell from her bunk in her weakened state and was killed by the shock. Anne died a few days after Margot. The exact dates of Margot and Anne’s deaths were not recorded. It was long thought that their deaths occurred only a few weeks before British soldiers liberated the camp on 15 April 1945,[56] but new research in 2015 indicated that they may have died as early as February of that year.[57] Among other evidence, witnesses recalled that the Franks displayed typhus symptoms by 7 February,[3][58] and Dutch health authorities reported that most untreated typhus victims died within 12 days of their first symptoms.[57] After liberation, the camp was burned in an effort to prevent further spread of disease; the sisters were buried in a mass grave at an unknown location.”

    I agree with you that terrible things were done to the Jews during WWII–as were done to many people of different ethnicities and nationalities—but that iconic “6 million” figure seems more than a little shaky and dubious, especially after it didn’t budge following the much advertised (e.g., NY Times and Washington Post, among others) downward revision in the number of Jews who died at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million back in the 90’s.

    BTW with respect to my comment above about Anne Frank serving as symbol of the “six million” Wikipedia has these comments:

    “In the same year [i.e., 1961], the Soviet writer Ilya Ehrenburg wrote of her: “one voice speaks for six million—the voice not of a sage or a poet but of an ordinary little girl.”[81]”

    “Primo Levi suggested Anne Frank is frequently identified as a single representative of the millions of people who suffered and died as she did because “One single Anne Frank moves us more than the countless others who suffered just as she did but whose faces have remained in the shadows. Perhaps it is better that way; if we were capable of taking in all the suffering of all those people, we would not be able to live.”[79] In her closing message in Müller’s biography of Anne Frank, Miep Gies expressed a similar thought, though she attempted to dispel what she felt was a growing misconception that “Anne symbolises the six million victims of the Holocaust”, writing: “Anne’s life and death were her own individual fate, an individual fate that happened six million times over. Anne cannot, and should not, stand for the many individuals whom the Nazis robbed of their lives … But her fate helps us grasp the immense loss the world suffered because of the Holocaust.”[85]

  312. Boris says:
    @hes

    See? My observation that USS Liberty “questions” correlate highly with antisemitic rhetoric has been borne out by examples in this thread multiple times.

    Also, “nazi jew” is an insult I would expect from someone suffering from some sort of brain damage. This certainly wouldn’t always be the case.

    • Replies: @Art
  313. Art says:
    @Boris

    See? My observation that USS Liberty “questions” correlate highly with antisemitic rhetoric has been borne out by examples in this thread multiple times.

    Dear Boris,

    I see – its automatic – if we talk about the USS Liberty – you call us anti-Semite – how daring – how intellectual – how brave.

    It must be fun being a Little Jew lemming – did you graduate at the top of your hasbara class?

    You’ll must be sweethearts in your little brown shirts. (Tell us – do you have secret hand signals?)

    Have fun Little Jew — Yours – Art

    • Replies: @Boris
  314. Boris says:
    @Art

    I see – its automatic – if we talk about the USS Liberty – you call us anti-Semite – how daring – how intellectual – how brave.

    I merely noted the correlation and you and others provided evidence for it.

    It must be fun being a Little Jew lemming – did you graduate at the top of your hasbara class?

    You’ll must be sweethearts in your little brown shirts. (Tell us – do you have secret hand signals?)

    Have fun Little Jew

    Are you going to argue that you don’t hate Jews? What kind of moron would believe you if you did?

    What are you whining about again?

  315. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Yet again another account of mistreatment of Alison Weir. While other accounts of her martyrdom may be accurate, this one is not what happened at Stanford. I do not know the person who wrote the narrative, but I am surprised. Alison Weir was NOT invited to the Stanford event. She brought copies of her book to sell and she brought flyers from her organization. When told she could not sell her goods on the campus, she ignored the request to pack up. Finally some faculty members who have supported and worked with Stanford SJP since its inception stepped in and ended the lip-biting situation. While I am perfectly willing to admit that Zionist organizations often try to close down Palestinian events on college campases, that is not what happened at Stanford. Creating fictive martyrologies does not help the cause of freedom for Palestine.

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