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One of the most discouraging aspects of the filling out of the Donald Trump cabinet is the array of Iran haters that seem to be lining up in the foreign policy and national security areas. Trump has been personally advocating sensible policies relating to Russia and Syria but he appears to have gone off the rails regarding Iran, which just might be attributed to those who are giving him advice. A reversion to the relationship that prevailed prior to last year’s signing of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPA) between Iran and the so-called P5+1 consisting of the United States, Russia, China, France, Britain, and the European Union would be undesirable, to say the least, but that appears to be what is likely to develop. Or it could be even worse, finding bilateral support for “action” as a number of policy advisors in the presidential campaign from both parties were endorsing something like war against the Persians.
The irony is that the argument made then and now for attacking Iran were based on the threat of Tehran deciding to build its own atomic bomb. With the JCPA agreement, however, most would agree that any remaining concerns that Tehran might even be considering the development of a nuclear weapons program were greatly diminished. Iran has since that time been in compliance with the agreement, possible nuclear proliferation has been avoided, and, apart from the fulminations of the inevitable anti-Iranian politicians in the United States, the signatories to the agreement have expressed their satisfaction with the outcome. It has been Washington that has failed to live up to its part of the agreement by easing remaining restrictions that are being imposed against Iranian financial institutions and regarding the purchase of some commercially available dual use technologies.
Candidate Donald Trump did not need much prompting to pick up on the prevailing anti-Iran sentiment. In a number of campaign speeches he denounced the JCPA as a bad deal and vowed to tear it up upon taking office. Some of that sentiment might well have been derived from his desire to distance himself from foreign policy positions promoted by President Barack Obama that were subsequently endorsed by Hillary Clinton so it is no surprise that since being elected he has somewhat modified his stance. He is now veering towards trying to renegotiate the agreement, which would likely be impossible given that it has multiple signatories. He could nevertheless disrupt it by continuing or increasing sanctions on Iran.
The thought of reverting to a state of unrelenting hostility towards Iran is disconcerting. One recalls joint CIA-Mossad operations between 2010 and 2012 that assassinated four civilian scientists connected to the country’s nuclear program as well as the creation of the Stuxnet virus that threatened to spread to other computers worldwide. It is generally accepted that Israel’s Mossad planned and prepared the killing of the scientists with a little help from the U.S., attacks which were almost certainly carried out by associates of the radical Marxist group Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), which is now being seen favorably by several Trump advisors even though the group is Marxist, cult-like and has killed Americans.
The assassinations were based on the false premise that Iran had a nuclear weapons program that could be disrupted by killing the scientists and technicians involved. Two comprehensive studies by the American government’s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) conducted in 2007 and 2011 determined that no such program existed and that Iran had never taken any serious steps to initiate such research. Israel was also aware that there was no program. Nevertheless, the Israeli and American governments took steps to interfere with Iran’s existing and completely legal and open to inspection atomic energy program by identifying then killing its scientists and also introducing viruses into its computer systems. This was in spite of the fact that Iran was fully compliant with international norms on nuclear research and it was a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Israel, possessing its own nuclear arsenal, had refused to sign.
The history of the Iran-U.S. relationship is significant because several Trump advisors appear to be locked into a time warp regarding the Mullahs and the threat to Americans that they allegedly constitute. Former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) head Michael Flynn, who will be the Trump National Security Advisor, is the most prominent Iran hater and also the most outspoken.
Flynn, also an unapologetic Islamophobe, has said that Iran represents a danger to U.S. national security and that our friend and ally Israel “lives under the threat of total annihilation from Iran…something the United States must never allow.” He believes that Iran intends to build nuclear weapons as well as the ballistic missiles needed to deliver them on target and thinks that “regime change” is the only solution to the threat posed by the current government. And for Flynn, Iran is not alone, it is part of a “global alliance” that includes China and Russia which seeks to threaten the U.S. and its allies.
Flynn concludes that Iran is unmitigated evil and that Washington should have nothing to do with it, apart from recognizing the reality that it and its government must be destroyed. I personally attended a conference in Moscow last December at which Flynn asserted that Iran is solely responsible for nearly all the instability in the Middle East and is behind at least five wars in the region, an assertion that is just as ridiculous as it sounds.
One might suggest that Flynn is terribly uninformed about a subject regarding which he claims expertise. His comments would suggest that the capabilities of the DIA that he once headed were dangerously overrated, but reports from his former colleagues indicate that he was always guilty of serious overreach in his pronouncements, something they referred to as “Flynn facts”.
If Flynn were just one loud voice braying in the wilderness he would be bad enough since his job is important, particularly with a president who has no foreign policy experience, but the sad fact is that he is not alone. Congressman, West Point grad and former Army officer Mike Pompeo, who will head the CIA, is more-or-less on the same page when it comes to Iran. Her supports new sanctions on the country and, regarding his appointment as Director, he had only one comment to make and it related to the JCPA, “I look forward to rolling back this disastrous deal with the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism.” As in the case with Flynn and DIA one has to wonder what kind of “objective” intelligence CIA will be producing under Pompeo.
Finally, there is retired Marine General James Mattis, who is being considered for a senior position in national security, possibly as Secretary of Defense. He is yet another Iranophobe who opposed the JCPA and calls Iran a rogue state that constitutes the “greatest threat” in the Middle East. As part of the evidence for that assessment he cites Iran’s alliance with Syria, which is at least in part directed against America’s enemy number one ISIS, demonstrating once again how Establishment Washington has difficulty in understanding what constitutes actual national interests. Mattis, in fact, denies that Iran is actually fighting ISIS.
The neoconservative kingpin Bill Kristol is gloating, headlining in his Weekly Standard publication that the “Iran Deal Is Doomed!” He should be pleased. Team Trump’s attitude towards an alleged Iranian threat is delusional, more in sync with Kristol and some Israeli thinking than with any actual American interests. Just as neoconservatives always believe that it is 1938 and we are in Munich, Flynn, Pompeo and Mattis likewise seem to think that it is 1979 and the United States Embassy in Tehran is still occupied.
The three Trumpsmen are not stupid, far from it, but the problem appears to be that they cannot comfortably assess two or more conflicting concepts at the same time, which might be due to the linear thinking derived from their military backgrounds. The Middle East is awash with players, all of whom have separate agendas, few of which coincide with actual American interests. If one is fixated on or obsessed with Iran as the sole disruptive force in the region it becomes difficult to see how Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel are also problems. It is decidedly neoconnish to look at a complex foreign policy issue and only see black and white, but that is what the Trump national security team seems to be prone to do.
Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war. It requires building on the relationship established by JCPA to bind Iran more closely to the international community, both economically and culturally. By all accounts, young Iranians, a majority of the population, are dismissive of the rigidity of their own government and are very open to Western ideas and lifestyle. Change will come to Iran if the United States and its European allies encourage more rather than less non-threatening contact. It will not come at the point of a bayonet as Flynn, Pompeo and Mattis appear to be promoting.
Why is Washington (and the Deep State) obsessed with Iran? After all, Iran poses no conceivable threat to the US. The never-ending ‘crisis’ between Tehran and Washington is primarily about Israel. ‘America First’ will just have to wait.
Just as the US destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were crypto-Israeli hits, Iran is now at the very top of Israel’s ‘Injure and Weaken’ list.
And since US military and political power is very much in the hands of high-powered Zionist operatives, Iran must be softened up until the time is right for either a Syria-style destabilization campaign, or an Iraq-style annihilation. The Zionist-friendly, re-making of the Middle East is still underway. It’s a Deep State affair that’s been unofficial policy since the PNAC papers.
Like all modern US presidents, Trump has no intention of starting his presidency in a struggle with the ubiquitous Israel lobby. Let’s get real. Thus, heightened political and economic pressure on Iran is inevitable. Zionists demand it.
2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! I know you really want a US attack on Iran because it will give you more material to complain about but it will never come to pass.
Yes, Mr. Green, you are right. Zionists are aching to settle matters in "Greater Israel" territorial favor so that they can concentrate efforts & "pivot" eastward where the big consumer market is. No doubt, President Donald Trump will go in such direction.
Have you read the Wall Street Journal article a couple weeks ago, which focused upon huge global investment plans in China ? The Goldman Sachs Group was reported to be involved in high level negotiations with the P.R.C. government. Goldman Sachs wants to engage investment opportunities minus the state regulatory need for having to team with Chinese firms.
Get this? In today's Wall Street Journal, and as notorious global wheeler & dealer Goldman Sachs wants free reign to operate in China, there's an article detailing how Beijing wants to rate citizen/consumers on their daily behavior and to correspondingly "reward or punish" people. Refer to article below?
https://lbfromlv.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/chinas-new-tool-for-social-control-a-credit-rating-for-everything-by-josh-chin-and-gillian-wong-nov-28-2016-1146-a-m-et/
Incredible how clever are Vampire Squid business planners and population pre-conditioners! They want to dictate morality (& accountability) to China's 1.4 billion "market," and simultaneously, the Goldman Sachs Group can make people eat McDonalds scraps fallen off from the Rich Man's annual P&L banquet table.
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Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don’t share geopolitical interests.
The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.
One of the few politically sensible dichotomies is the "elite" vs the "deplorables."
'the faux international globalist, victimology step-ladder left is a greater threat to the modern world.'
Hope that does not exceed your intentions, thought your original statement was a bit careless, but much liked the heart in it.
The left is not your enemy.
The neocons always win, even when they lose. Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy. And I thought Trump was smart.
That is correct money talks.
"And I thought Trump was smart."
In spite of the fact he is considering Romney for anything?
I wonder if the Romney thing is a deal with the devil for services rendered.
Iran remains a functioning example of successful resistance (no matter how long ago) to the USA and so it must be destroyed.
Honestly, the Obama era will probably be remembered as a period of relative peace.
The fact that Iran is allied with Russia and that alternatives to the US dollar financial monopoly appear to have become increasingly developed will hopefully limit the scope of what the yankee imperium can accomplish in this area. Hopefully, reality will convince Trump not to go to far, though this does raise serious questions.
I don’t for a minute believe that Pompeo, Flynn and Mattis actually believe that Iran is the “world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism”. They would have to be morons to actually believe that blatant lie. The uninformed public and Trump may fall for the Zionist propaganda about Iran but these three are well informed and know the truth. Flynn even publicly stated that the rise of ISIS was “a willful Washington decision”. All three know that the Saudis are the single largest promoter of Wahhabi terrorism with U.S., Turkish and Israeli support.
Like the politicians in Congress, these ambitious men know what policies will get them promoted (or campaign funding) and what views will end their careers. As others have mentioned, if you support Israeli centric policies, especially those relating to Iran, your promotion is assured regardless of which party you belong to.
US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.
Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.
USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
Iran has weathered all these challenges.
USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.
One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."
But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.
Already Trump is proving how great a hustler he is, having duped the productive classes big time. Sadly, power seems already to be going to sap's head.
While I'm happy that Hillabeast the War Sow got handed a well deserved rebuke and hopefully a quick slide into obscurity,I doubt Humpty Trump'll prove to be much of an improvement.
A film which has won high praise among all who are critical of Israel's extraordinary domination of American political scene.
http://mediaed.org/occupationmovie/praise.html
This documentary film, which has been shown on the Swedish Educational TV, has irritated Israelis so much that the Israeli envoy in Sweden urges the Swedes to "protest screening of anti-Israel film by state TV".
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-envoy-urges-swedes-to-protest-state-funded-screening-of-anti-israel-film/
One can only hope this documentary gets widespread screening; also in the US.
A minor point: what’s with smearing political organizations as ‘cult-like’? Do not US political parties (especially the Democrats, these days) behave like cults? Are not PNAC-neocons in the US a cult-like group? I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.
” Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy.”
That is correct money talks.
“And I thought Trump was smart.”
In spite of the fact he is considering Romney for anything?
I wonder if the Romney thing is a deal with the devil for services rendered.
The contradictions in Trump’s international outlook could make him into the next Jimmy Carter.
Iran exercises national monetary sovereignty and makes a go of it: can’t have that as an example!
I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.
While Obama's Iran policy was his best work.We should be doing business with Iran not isolating them and allowing others to take their huge market. Same with Russia.
We're shooting ourselves in the foot by not doing so.
Then again, it's probably too much to hope for sanity on both Russia and Iran in one US administration.
Also, Giraldi should stop using the term "Mullahs" when referring to Iran. It is insulting and inaccurate--you'd think Giraldi would know better. Would he refer to our government as a "whitey" government...?
Israel must be tired of winning.
This doesn’t mean that Iran shouldn’t get drubbed, pour effrayer les autres.
The ‘Wars for Wall Street and Israel’ party wins again. We’ll kill as many ME and Asian Arabs as we must to let our good buddy Israel stay the #1 power in the region and to enable it to steal more land on its way to Eretz Israel, as Israel has no problem with sacrificing American blood and treasure.
Why must Iran “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle?”
USA has a lot to learn from Iranian culture. Moreover, having just traveled nearly 3 000 miles in the USA and encountered a relentless landscape of fast food restaurants, big box stores and shopping malls, one hopes desperately that some corner of the world preserves an alternative, diverse way of defining “lifestyle.”
imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle.”
In an appearance before a US House subcommittee on Sept 12 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu told the congressmen that “Hollywood TV programs should be beamed into Iran, to induce young Iranians to want Hollywoodish clothes and swimming pools and fancy houses.”
“That’s subversive,” Bibi concluded, to the tittered delight of his audience of sycophants. https://www.c-span.org/video/?172612-1/israeli-perspective-conflict-iraq
The automatic assumption that Iran “must change” suggests that as problematic as the Iranophobia of Trump’s appointments are — and they are deeply disconcerting — the problem is far deeper than the subverted mindsets of four or five decision-makers or even of the neocons who wield the power to pressure them: the attitude that US — “Western” — values and lifestyle are superior and the cultural benchmark is ingrained in the American psyche.
That aspect of Americanism is composed of equal parts ignorance, parochialism, and years of disinformation.
Of those three elements, parochialism is the most amazing to contemplate: in this era of diversity and globalization, our Israeli friends are just as culturally inbred and terrified to venture out of their own little neighborhoods and comfort zones as are the vast numbers of Americans who keep all those fast fooderies and shopping centers in business.
For instance, it's truly sad to see how the people of the Philippines, which is immensely rich in cultural heritage, try so hard to emulate things Western. It's often a truly degrading and depressing spectacle.
Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.
This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian “regime change”.
After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu’s efforts for years, with Israel needing it’s US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli “preventive” strike.
The interesting part, is that, from the “America First” viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.
Trump was elected on “America First”, promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.
A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there’s no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.
Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn’t fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he’s operating in “morality free territory”, rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.
Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It’s difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.
Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien...I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!
The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.
What’s most disturbing about US decision makers paying obeisance to zionists/Israel firsters is that zionists have not had a creative idea is over a century. They are banging on the same tired drum and don’t realize themselves how boring and backward is the beat.
US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
That’s the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.
Compare to Iran: Over its millennia — hell, over the past 150 years — Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.
USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
Iran has weathered all these challenges.
USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.
One hears frequently that “Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy “the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . .”
But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.
While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year. That measure of turnout is the lowest in a presidential election since 1996, when 53.5% of voting-age citizens turned out.
They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.
Demands, you say.
One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements - especially another war.
An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan's lawless provinces to the Mediterranean - how that is in anyone's interest is beyond me.
Peace.
Pretty clever.
The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.
The false left wing vs right wing dichotomy is about as useful and obsolete as the sappy Republican vs Democrat one.
One of the few politically sensible dichotomies is the “elite” vs the “deplorables.”
You are correct. One wonders why they even bother fabricating pretexts since they inevitably do what they want anyway and there’s no effective way to bridle the jokers.
Already Trump is proving how great a hustler he is, having duped the productive classes big time. Sadly, power seems already to be going to sap’s head.
While I’m happy that Hillabeast the War Sow got handed a well deserved rebuke and hopefully a quick slide into obscurity,I doubt Humpty Trump’ll prove to be much of an improvement.
USA has a lot to learn from Iranian culture. Moreover, having just traveled nearly 3 000 miles in the USA and encountered a relentless landscape of fast food restaurants, big box stores and shopping malls, one hopes desperately that some corner of the world preserves an alternative, diverse way of defining "lifestyle."
imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to "change" to "Western ideas and lifestyle."
In an appearance before a US House subcommittee on Sept 12 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu told the congressmen that "Hollywood TV programs should be beamed into Iran, to induce young Iranians to want Hollywoodish clothes and swimming pools and fancy houses."
"That's subversive," Bibi concluded, to the tittered delight of his audience of sycophants. https://www.c-span.org/video/?172612-1/israeli-perspective-conflict-iraq
The automatic assumption that Iran "must change" suggests that as problematic as the Iranophobia of Trump's appointments are -- and they are deeply disconcerting -- the problem is far deeper than the subverted mindsets of four or five decision-makers or even of the neocons who wield the power to pressure them: the attitude that US -- "Western" -- values and lifestyle are superior and the cultural benchmark is ingrained in the American psyche.
That aspect of Americanism is composed of equal parts ignorance, parochialism, and years of disinformation.
Of those three elements, parochialism is the most amazing to contemplate: in this era of diversity and globalization, our Israeli friends are just as culturally inbred and terrified to venture out of their own little neighborhoods and comfort zones as are the vast numbers of Americans who keep all those fast fooderies and shopping centers in business.
Imo as well.
For instance, it’s truly sad to see how the people of the Philippines, which is immensely rich in cultural heritage, try so hard to emulate things Western. It’s often a truly degrading and depressing spectacle.
Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.
True story - but we killed a million of them anyway.
What is wrong with us?
Judaism's Zionist Zombies wanted us to take out Saddam and Iraq - another million people destroyed.
Now the Zionist Zombies what us to take down Iran - same false claims - WMD nukes.
Trump gave off the impression that he was not interested in more war. God help us if Trump caves to Judaism.
Peace --- Art
Yup.
And speaking of the goon, I wonder why this isn’t common knowledge?
Iranophpobe??
Is that like “Islamophobe” aka a transparent and intellectually dishonest leftist attempt to brand perfectly reasonable opposition to a hideous ideology as a taboo prejudice against people? Signs point to yes.
US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.
Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.
USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
Iran has weathered all these challenges.
USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.
One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."
But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.
Washington (CNN) — Voter turnout this year dipped to nearly its lowest point in two decades.
While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year. That measure of turnout is the lowest in a presidential election since 1996, when 53.5% of voting-age citizens turned out.
They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.
Demands, you say.
That’s my thinking, maybe just wishful. Also got to throw a bone to Adelson et al
Sounds like an Internet meme: You voted against Clinton to stop the war in Syria and Iraq – Trump starts a war with Iran.
Could not agree more. A war with Iran would be a total disaster for both the US and Trump. Even if it turns that Trump really doesn’t give a shit about us, he must still care about himself! Besides, if Russia blocked the efforts of the US & Friends to break up Syria, they are not just going to sit back and let us attack Iran. Since he claims to want better relations with Russia, this is something for Trump to think about.
BTW, for an alternative view of Gen. Flynn, here’s Thierry Meyssan, who happens to be very pro-Syrian: http://www.voltairenet.org/article194153.html
Not to mention popular support that it has been lacking for a long time would coalesce around the Iranian regime.
US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.
Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.
USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
Iran has weathered all these challenges.
USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.
One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."
But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.
Hey S2C,
Darn right – those people are serious survivors – inshaAllah they aren’t going anywhere. A war with Iran would be a disaster for both Iran and the US – I don’t think the big shots know what they are dealing with – it will be nothing like Iraq.
One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements – especially another war.
An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan’s lawless provinces to the Mediterranean – how that is in anyone’s interest is beyond me.
Peace.
Iraq was given massive support, including satellite intelligence, by US and other Western states. The whole Iranian nation stood up and fought for their country. For example, since Iran had no mineclearing equipment, Iranian teenagers voluntarily walked over minefields to save the valuable older troops for battle.
Iranians will fight to the last man, if they have to.
And Russia is not going to allow any direct attack by US or Israel on Iran. And as others have said, I don't see Trump's Iran rhetoric as serious.
It is a complete disconnect: on the one hand he was very rational about Syria on the campaign trail. After his conversation with Putin, RuAF restarted the massive bombing campaign to eradicate the terrorists. So Trump must have told Putin he supports the eradication, as he had said during the debates. Aleppo is near-liberated. So what would be the illogic of picking a fight with Iran?
Iranian elite troops are fighting to eradicate ISIS terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Why would Trump want to interfere?As to the Trump tearing up the nuke agreement: makes no practical difference for Iran. EU will not go along, and without EU's support, US will be all alone. Without EU, US has no effectual ways of pressuring Iran. Nothing will change, and US will look foolish and weak.
US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.
Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.
USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
Iran has weathered all these challenges.
USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.
One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."
But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.
{ Kristol Krime Krew}
Pretty clever.
Phil
“Americans”….
Not quite. She has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/11/11/iaea-iran-violated-nuclear-deal/
Miro
Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien…I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!
One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements - especially another war.
An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan's lawless provinces to the Mediterranean - how that is in anyone's interest is beyond me.
Peace.
{An collapsed Iran}
Iran is not going to collapse.
People forget the Iraq-Iran war: Iranians doggedly fought for 8 years against the well equipped Iraqi military. Iran had only obsolescent equipment from Shah’s days.
Iraq was given massive support, including satellite intelligence, by US and other Western states.
The whole Iranian nation stood up and fought for their country. For example, since Iran had no mineclearing equipment, Iranian teenagers voluntarily walked over minefields to save the valuable older troops for battle.
Iranians will fight to the last man, if they have to.
And Russia is not going to allow any direct attack by US or Israel on Iran.
And as others have said, I don’t see Trump’s Iran rhetoric as serious.
It is a complete disconnect: on the one hand he was very rational about Syria on the campaign trail. After his conversation with Putin, RuAF restarted the massive bombing campaign to eradicate the terrorists. So Trump must have told Putin he supports the eradication, as he had said during the debates. Aleppo is near-liberated.
So what would be the illogic of picking a fight with Iran?
Iranian elite troops are fighting to eradicate ISIS terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Why would Trump want to interfere?
As to the Trump tearing up the nuke agreement: makes no practical difference for Iran. EU will not go along, and without EU’s support, US will be all alone. Without EU, US has no effectual ways of pressuring Iran. Nothing will change, and US will look foolish and weak.
I agree with your points (including Russia throwing her weight behind Iran). I also doubt there would be a full-scale collapse, however I can definitely see the central government losing control of certain borders and certain patches of territory (I don't know how that could be avoided in a place as large as Iran). That would mean a potential flow of men and military hardware across the territory I mentioned - again, not good for anybody in that region.
Peace.
One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements - especially another war.
An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan's lawless provinces to the Mediterranean - how that is in anyone's interest is beyond me.
Peace.
Team Trump isn’t thinking of, or planning for, a hot war with Iran; seeking instead, that she doesn’t inexorably (a) move to nuclearise her arsenal (b) destabilise the market for crude (3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.
On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours
(a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.
{(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}
None of US's or anybody's else's business.
Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?
"...reported on Wednesday that Iran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal again, exceeding a limit of 130 metric tons for heavy water...Iran reportedly told the agency it would begin preparations to ship 5 tons of the excess heavy water out of the country within the next few days."That is a violation of around 3.5% - that is a rounding error not a belligerent move - unless someone can prove that a world of difference is made in nuclear weapons development between 130 vs 135 metric tons...*"'It’s important to note that Iran made no effort to hide this, hide what it was doing from the IAEA'"Sounds more like they goofed and made immediate plans to make it right - maybe someone should get fired from his post for this, but certainly no reason for beating drums.(B) is a legitimate concern, but the Saudi's naughty antics are far more destabilizing. The Iranis would only make a move in the Persian Gulf (it is the Persian Gulf) if Saudis or others make a move on them. So basically we, or our allies are the ones that will be creating the problem that does not currently exist.(3 or C) is not our concern - it is an internal Irani affair. I say this as a Sunni Muslim who has his eye on what happens to the Sunni minorities in the Eastern (and sometimes Western provinces) like the Balochis, Tajiks and Kurds, etc. It could be better, but it is not that bad at all; they are safe and don't have much to worry about unless they agitate against the government or call for independence. Before concerning ourselves with Iran, it would be much better to put pressure on our own allies that have worse records regarding their citizens' cultural and economic aspirations.Peace.*Note: The actual Reuters article had this to say (so actually Iran is willing to face a penalty in the removal of 5 tons from its store):
"It had 130.1 tonnes of the material on Tuesday, the watchdog said."
"Iran also exceeded the heavy-water limit in February, with 130.9 tonnes."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN1342T1
Iraq war has chastened most of those mentally deficient common folks but not those who sport US flag to hide their penchant for destruction-living and nonliving for the fun of watching an inferno.
Iraq was given massive support, including satellite intelligence, by US and other Western states. The whole Iranian nation stood up and fought for their country. For example, since Iran had no mineclearing equipment, Iranian teenagers voluntarily walked over minefields to save the valuable older troops for battle.
Iranians will fight to the last man, if they have to.
And Russia is not going to allow any direct attack by US or Israel on Iran. And as others have said, I don't see Trump's Iran rhetoric as serious.
It is a complete disconnect: on the one hand he was very rational about Syria on the campaign trail. After his conversation with Putin, RuAF restarted the massive bombing campaign to eradicate the terrorists. So Trump must have told Putin he supports the eradication, as he had said during the debates. Aleppo is near-liberated. So what would be the illogic of picking a fight with Iran?
Iranian elite troops are fighting to eradicate ISIS terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Why would Trump want to interfere?As to the Trump tearing up the nuke agreement: makes no practical difference for Iran. EU will not go along, and without EU's support, US will be all alone. Without EU, US has no effectual ways of pressuring Iran. Nothing will change, and US will look foolish and weak.
Hey Avery,
I agree with your points (including Russia throwing her weight behind Iran). I also doubt there would be a full-scale collapse, however I can definitely see the central government losing control of certain borders and certain patches of territory (I don’t know how that could be avoided in a place as large as Iran). That would mean a potential flow of men and military hardware across the territory I mentioned – again, not good for anybody in that region.
Peace.
Nuanced thinking, as opposed to linear thinking, is what the whole country needs, left and right!
As always, most of your analysis makes sense, Mr. Giraldi.
Why aren’t you an advisor? Wish you were. The latest detailed reports from Syria horrify me, Kerry still desperately trying to protect the pet jihadis of Israel and its colonial posession, the USA, Erdogan ramping up the bullshit with a massive armoured colunn.
Really, I wish the Russians would bang a few YPG and Syrian govt. heads together, get them to collaborate on a future state with autonomy for the Kurds, hand out as many anti-tank weapons as possible, and get the Turks out of there.
That seems to be happening to an extent, without Russian help, also without the required weapons, but the YPG and elected Syrian govt. are natural allies in this situation.
Straight out of the US playbook as the slave of Israel, NATO (US, Turkey, and the UK) made sure to cripple Syrian armour by handing out anti-armour weapons to their pet jihadis years ago now.
After all, the Turks have no right to be there under international law. Neither do all of the Brit. and US mischief makers. Any casualties they take are richly deserved, although I would not wish it on any of the individuals. They should simply not be there!
One small point for amusement, the imperial tail that wags the US and NATO dog from Israel seems to have been quiet as far as direct attacks on Syria for a while now.
No doubt they are still patching up the odd injured Jihadi on their border, to send back to continue the mayhem, but I have not read of a direct attack by Israel lately.
They are such macho jerks, just reading my words would propel them to do a new one.
As for Trump’s appointments, you would know far better than I, but they seem really stupid.
Excuse the tone and length, reports on the war and Trump’s apparent treachery to his electorate are really irritating.
{On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours}
(a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to – despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.
{(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}
None of US’s or anybody’s else’s business.
Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually ‘imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry’ does not concern US, but Iran’s mythical ‘imposition’ does?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad
{Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.}
Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets: their position simply outlines a desire to maximise short-term revenues from crude sales. Watch for the Saudi oil minister's conference tomorrow.
The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.
I liked your statement, but would rephrase that half as
‘the faux international globalist, victimology step-ladder left is a greater threat to the modern world.’
Hope that does not exceed your intentions, thought your original statement was a bit careless, but much liked the heart in it.
Let’s hope so.
The ‘get Iran’ talk has always been Trump’s weakest point.
While Obama’s Iran policy was his best work.
We should be doing business with Iran not isolating them and allowing others to take their huge market. Same with Russia.
We’re shooting ourselves in the foot by not doing so.
Most American presidents have known little about foreign policy and have had to rely on staff advisors to tell them where on the map a particular country is located. This is glaringly true for at least the last three: Clinton-went from governor of a small state with a population less than that of some larger cities;Bush2-one can see the unending disasters this village idiot imposed upon us;Obama-a nothing weakling who couldn’t say no to his own Secretary of State Clinton who proceeded to spread disaster and ruination. If a person knows little about something then it’s hard for them to differentiate between those who are competent and those who are charlatans that sound good. There’s an idea that someone who is smart could be a quick study and master all that needs to be known through on the job training, hence the floating of the name of Romney for SoS, a tone-deaf Gordon Gekko businessman.
Iran is a country of eighty million with a much higher level of human development than Afghanistan. Not only is it no pushover it has the capability to fight back in many ways. It’s a regional power and there’s no putting the genie back in the bottle. Hopefully much of what’s been said was just rhetoric to placate certain segments of the population. Otherwise, a disastrous thirty year conflict sucking away resources and money could be in our future.
(a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.
{(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}
None of US's or anybody's else's business.
Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?
[Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad]
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad
{Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.}
Hey Sam,
(A) is a concern, but that article you cited provided far less evidence for a non-compliant/belligerent Iran than it showed people like Sen. Cotton looking for any excuse to turn screws:
“…reported on Wednesday that Iran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal again, exceeding a limit of 130 metric tons for heavy water…Iran reportedly told the agency it would begin preparations to ship 5 tons of the excess heavy water out of the country within the next few days.”
That is a violation of around 3.5% – that is a rounding error not a belligerent move – unless someone can prove that a world of difference is made in nuclear weapons development between 130 vs 135 metric tons…*
“‘It’s important to note that Iran made no effort to hide this, hide what it was doing from the IAEA’”
Sounds more like they goofed and made immediate plans to make it right – maybe someone should get fired from his post for this, but certainly no reason for beating drums.
(B) is a legitimate concern, but the Saudi’s naughty antics are far more destabilizing. The Iranis would only make a move in the Persian Gulf (it is the Persian Gulf) if Saudis or others make a move on them. So basically we, or our allies are the ones that will be creating the problem that does not currently exist.
(3 or C) is not our concern – it is an internal Irani affair. I say this as a Sunni Muslim who has his eye on what happens to the Sunni minorities in the Eastern (and sometimes Western provinces) like the Balochis, Tajiks and Kurds, etc. It could be better, but it is not that bad at all; they are safe and don’t have much to worry about unless they agitate against the government or call for independence. Before concerning ourselves with Iran, it would be much better to put pressure on our own allies that have worse records regarding their citizens’ cultural and economic aspirations.
Peace.
*Note: The actual Reuters article had this to say (so actually Iran is willing to face a penalty in the removal of 5 tons from its store):
“It had 130.1 tonnes of the material on Tuesday, the watchdog said.”
“Iran also exceeded the heavy-water limit in February, with 130.9 tonnes.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN1342T1
Yes as I mentioned, these were "soft limit" violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran's motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC's guidelines. On (c) I'd say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.
Will Iran be the target of the Trump regime?
Of course. Trump is heavily Israel-sympathetic. Remember, Trump has centered his very existence to date on the acquisition of material assets. Israel promises him, through his cronies and family, enormous additions to that pile of material assets. He’s like the proverbial kid in a candy store.
The suppression/destruction (partition) of Iran allows Israel to expand its empire eastward, skirting (for now) its Saudi allies. Russia will insist solely upon retention of its Mediterranean ports on the Syrian coast, and will permit the abolition of Syria as a nation, or the partitioning of Syria into a Russian-controlled section and the “New Israel” section. With Turkey being dissed by the EU, I would guess that an all-overland Russian corridor through Syria, Turkey and Georgia might be in the offing.
For instance, it's truly sad to see how the people of the Philippines, which is immensely rich in cultural heritage, try so hard to emulate things Western. It's often a truly degrading and depressing spectacle.
Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.
Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.
True story – but we killed a million of them anyway.
What is wrong with us?
Judaism’s Zionist Zombies wanted us to take out Saddam and Iraq – another million people destroyed.
Now the Zionist Zombies what us to take down Iran – same false claims – WMD nukes.
Trump gave off the impression that he was not interested in more war. God help us if Trump caves to Judaism.
Peace — Art
Whatever's wrong with us is apparently incurable.
I saw an Aum Shinrikyo performance in central Tokyo once, after the subway gas attacks and just before they were made to change their name. They looked like a normal bunch of hippies doing interpretative dance, playing ambient music on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.
(a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.
{(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}
None of US's or anybody's else's business.
Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?
Yes, what benefit would having nuclear weapons give to Iran? They would never be able to match Israel in an arms race.
(a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.
{(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}
None of US's or anybody's else's business.
Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?
That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey’s treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.
Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets: their position simply outlines a desire to maximise short-term revenues from crude sales. Watch for the Saudi oil minister’s conference tomorrow.
Will the Little Jew say that - NEVER. The little Zionist Zombie does as his Big Jews say. (After a childhood of fear and hate induced by his family and culture - what can we expect but brainstem responses to all things political.)Again - same-o same-o - This is the same argument made by the ZZ’ers about Iraq. The Iraq war was never about the Zionist Jew or Israeli agenda - Iraq was about those greedy oil men. It is lie after lie after lie with Judaism.
Peace --- Art
One of the few politically sensible dichotomies is the "elite" vs the "deplorables."
Exactly! Excellent comment! Thanks.
"...reported on Wednesday that Iran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal again, exceeding a limit of 130 metric tons for heavy water...Iran reportedly told the agency it would begin preparations to ship 5 tons of the excess heavy water out of the country within the next few days."That is a violation of around 3.5% - that is a rounding error not a belligerent move - unless someone can prove that a world of difference is made in nuclear weapons development between 130 vs 135 metric tons...*"'It’s important to note that Iran made no effort to hide this, hide what it was doing from the IAEA'"Sounds more like they goofed and made immediate plans to make it right - maybe someone should get fired from his post for this, but certainly no reason for beating drums.(B) is a legitimate concern, but the Saudi's naughty antics are far more destabilizing. The Iranis would only make a move in the Persian Gulf (it is the Persian Gulf) if Saudis or others make a move on them. So basically we, or our allies are the ones that will be creating the problem that does not currently exist.(3 or C) is not our concern - it is an internal Irani affair. I say this as a Sunni Muslim who has his eye on what happens to the Sunni minorities in the Eastern (and sometimes Western provinces) like the Balochis, Tajiks and Kurds, etc. It could be better, but it is not that bad at all; they are safe and don't have much to worry about unless they agitate against the government or call for independence. Before concerning ourselves with Iran, it would be much better to put pressure on our own allies that have worse records regarding their citizens' cultural and economic aspirations.Peace.*Note: The actual Reuters article had this to say (so actually Iran is willing to face a penalty in the removal of 5 tons from its store):
"It had 130.1 tonnes of the material on Tuesday, the watchdog said."
"Iran also exceeded the heavy-water limit in February, with 130.9 tonnes."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN1342T1
Hey Talha,
Yes as I mentioned, these were “soft limit” violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.
The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran’s motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC’s guidelines.
On (c) I’d say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.
As if zionists care about human rights;
No mention made of the illegal Zionist Ghetto State's long string of well documented human rights violations, of course not.
For example, here is Shames moral army in action;
Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
Here is a photo of the girl murdered by the israeli coward:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams
When facing people who fight back though, it ends up like this;
https://justpaste.it/1113u
1. Hezbollah keeps Israeli army out of south Lebanon.
2. Iran resupplies Hezbollah, probably through Syria.
3. To defeat Hezbollah, interdict their supply lines.
4. Once Syria has been destroyed, invent a pretext to attack Hezbollah, knowing they cannot be resupplied.
5. Absent Hezbollah, Israeli army overruns whatever part of Lebanon they wish, thus pushing their northern border at least as far as the Litani, possibly further.
6. Oil in the Golan Heights is icing on the cake.
7. In a desert, it is all about the water.
Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien...I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!
WTC 7 shows just how stupid and undisciplined the 9/11 conspirators were. They had more demo charges than they needed for 1 and 2, so they brought down 7 just for jollies even though it blew the cover story that 1 and 2 were brought down by the jet fuel fires. Somebody needed to get fired for that one.
“God help us if Trump caves into Judaism.”
Art,
As you are aware, Donald Trump’s past success is the result of his association with wealthy and powerful Zionists who facilitated his rise to business and political power. A prerequisite for all U.S. presidents, he has already “caved” to Judaism.
As you know, the official demonizing of Iran intensified upon W. Bush’s naming Iran as part of the “Axis of Evil.” Shortly thereafter the CIA became very active in Iran and took the pulse of the nation. Hopes for a Teheran Spring and a new Shah installation apparently could not materialize. Thus it’s time to move to Plan B… Bibi.
It appears all that’s needed to dethrone the Ayatollahs during the coming Trump administration, is either a tried and tested U.S. provocation in “our” Persian Gulf or a False Flag attack which is blamed on Iran. P. Giraldi writes for antiwar.co, and please look at the article below? (Personally, I believe Iran will just get nationwide Shock & Awe treatment so that messy U.S. occupations, like Iraq 2003-present, can be avoided)
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/11/28/iranian-boat-aimed-at-us-helicopter-but-didnt-shoot/
As certified “Iranophobes” are on parade into Trump Tower, “interviewing” for key cabinet positions and Zionist tycoons are itching to establish Superpower enforced Greater Israel borders and “shoot the pop gun” for starting the Far East Pivot Parade, I fear that the best the Islamic Republic of Iran’s government can get is “an offer they can not refuse” from the underground Axis of Goodness, TrumPutiNyahu. The T.P.N. !
Who is in charge - Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?
Hmm - does he want a second term?
If he makes Romney Secretary of State - he is going to crap on his voters.
Peace --- Art
>brought down 7 just for jollies
Unless the command post for the tower demolitions was in bldg. 7.
Precise sequencing of many (how many?) radio controlled charges probably required sophisticated timing circuits not likely to be concealable in, let’s say, an automobile.
Blow up the towers, then destroy the command post.
Bldg 7 was smaller, probably not as complex an operation.
Leaving a row of columns which were all diagonally cut at approximately 42″ above the ground, complete with cutting charge slag, was rather sloppy, though.
1. We don’t need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves
2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN! I know you really want a US attack on Iran because it will give you more material to complain about but it will never come to pass.
Yes as I mentioned, these were "soft limit" violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran's motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC's guidelines. On (c) I'd say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.
It isn’t even that, it’s that Iran doesn’t even want nuclear weapons. It would create more problems for them then it would solve. Pakistan only went ahead with getting nukes because India had them by the balls. Iran’s situation is totally different.
The Eastern powers have drawn a line in Syria from where they will not back up.
Iran is allied to Russia and China; they will not allow the US to defeat Iran.
This will be decided in Syria where the West is suffering a humiliating defeat.
The West will break on the East.
Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets: their position simply outlines a desire to maximise short-term revenues from crude sales. Watch for the Saudi oil minister's conference tomorrow.
Oh my – same-o same-o – the Jew divide and conquer agenda – Judaism is working to divide the Muslim ME into little defenseless enclaves. Pit the Kurds against all those countries – rip them all apart.
Will the Little Jew say that – NEVER. The little Zionist Zombie does as his Big Jews say. (After a childhood of fear and hate induced by his family and culture – what can we expect but brainstem responses to all things political.)
Again – same-o same-o – This is the same argument made by the ZZ’ers about Iraq. The Iraq war was never about the Zionist Jew or Israeli agenda – Iraq was about those greedy oil men. It is lie after lie after lie with Judaism.
Peace — Art
Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you'd finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!
Art,
As you are aware, Donald Trump's past success is the result of his association with wealthy and powerful Zionists who facilitated his rise to business and political power. A prerequisite for all U.S. presidents, he has already "caved" to Judaism.
As you know, the official demonizing of Iran intensified upon W. Bush's naming Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil." Shortly thereafter the CIA became very active in Iran and took the pulse of the nation. Hopes for a Teheran Spring and a new Shah installation apparently could not materialize. Thus it's time to move to Plan B... Bibi.
It appears all that's needed to dethrone the Ayatollahs during the coming Trump administration, is either a tried and tested U.S. provocation in "our" Persian Gulf or a False Flag attack which is blamed on Iran. P. Giraldi writes for antiwar.co, and please look at the article below? (Personally, I believe Iran will just get nationwide Shock & Awe treatment so that messy U.S. occupations, like Iraq 2003-present, can be avoided)
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/11/28/iranian-boat-aimed-at-us-helicopter-but-didnt-shoot/
As certified "Iranophobes" are on parade into Trump Tower, "interviewing" for key cabinet positions and Zionist tycoons are itching to establish Superpower enforced Greater Israel borders and "shoot the pop gun" for starting the Far East Pivot Parade, I fear that the best the Islamic Republic of Iran's government can get is "an offer they can not refuse" from the underground Axis of Goodness, TrumPutiNyahu. The T.P.N. !
Iran war?
Who is in charge – Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?
Hmm – does he want a second term?
If he makes Romney Secretary of State – he is going to crap on his voters.
Peace — Art
Art,
I don't want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the "hands-off" realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.
To a degree, I disagree with you that "his voters do not want an Iran." Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin' Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, "we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!"
Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one's going to "Make America Great Again" without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo."
Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney's political life, he read Paul Kennedy's book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a "crap"?
Regarding your question , "does he (Trump) want a second term?" Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over "rogue nations" gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off "The Apprentice."
Also,you discussed Trump's potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will "crap" upon his voters. As in all things, Art, "everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump's supporter's shall get "crapped" upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney's ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole's attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.
Finally, today's Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, "(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts." Oh shit, Art, -- how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business "conflicts of interest"???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump's Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!
Please read Peter Grant's W.S.J. article below... at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, "a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University." Professor Clark opined, "(I) don't think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387
One must accept Jared Kushner's Zionism will have zero effect on who's side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art... I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, "the shit has hit the 1984 fan!"
Will the Little Jew say that - NEVER. The little Zionist Zombie does as his Big Jews say. (After a childhood of fear and hate induced by his family and culture - what can we expect but brainstem responses to all things political.)Again - same-o same-o - This is the same argument made by the ZZ’ers about Iraq. The Iraq war was never about the Zionist Jew or Israeli agenda - Iraq was about those greedy oil men. It is lie after lie after lie with Judaism.
Peace --- Art
Fuck off you stupid nitwit.
Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you’d finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!
Hmm - there must always be an attacking twist on reality - because the reality of Judaism is so dark. How sad. Judaism thrives on lies.
Peace --- Art
Who is in charge - Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?
Hmm - does he want a second term?
If he makes Romney Secretary of State - he is going to crap on his voters.
Peace --- Art
Unfortunately a lot of the rank and file Republican voters are still strongly jingoistic, not just in the Mideast, but also the Russian “threat” in E Europe.
Trump will destroy Iran, and Israel will be freed to do what it should have done in 1967.
Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you'd finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!
Oh’ how very Jewish – I write “Peace” an every comment – but really want war.
Hmm – there must always be an attacking twist on reality – because the reality of Judaism is so dark. How sad. Judaism thrives on lies.
Peace — Art
Dear Mr. Giraldi,
The President-elect was the ONLY candidate for office, of either party, (including Bernie)
who actually pointed out the humongous assault on our nations balance sheet that our policies of belligerent war making in the middle east, have unleashed.
He was the ONLY one.
Is there any upside to the American people to launch another Iraq fiasco, this time in Iran ,that might cost us TEN trillion (not six)…QUINTUPLE (not just quadruple) our cost of heating fuel and gasoline… and last another decade, if not longer ?
I don’t think so.
Unless Iran launches a full on assault on our shores, or that of our allies, I doubt there is any mandate at all , from ANY American citizen , to engage in another multi TRILLION dollar ….catastrophic war “debacle”.
I just don’t see it.
Hmm - there must always be an attacking twist on reality - because the reality of Judaism is so dark. How sad. Judaism thrives on lies.
Peace --- Art
If you want peace than you should be happy that there is zero chance of the US launching an attack on Iran. But you don’t seem happy, you seem frustrated that it hasn’t happened yet despite you promising it for nearly 15 years now.
“The Occupation Of The American Mind: Israel’s Public Relations War In The United States”
A film which has won high praise among all who are critical of Israel’s extraordinary domination of American political scene.
http://mediaed.org/occupationmovie/praise.html
This documentary film, which has been shown on the Swedish Educational TV, has irritated Israelis so much that the Israeli envoy in Sweden urges the Swedes to “protest screening of anti-Israel film by state TV”.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-envoy-urges-swedes-to-protest-state-funded-screening-of-anti-israel-film/
One can only hope this documentary gets widespread screening; also in the US.
Who is in charge - Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?
Hmm - does he want a second term?
If he makes Romney Secretary of State - he is going to crap on his voters.
Peace --- Art
“Who’s in charge — Trump’s Jews or his voters?”
Art,
I don’t want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the “hands-off” realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.
To a degree, I disagree with you that “his voters do not want an Iran.” Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin’ Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, “we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!”
Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one’s going to “Make America Great Again” without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo.”
Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney’s political life, he read Paul Kennedy’s book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a “crap”?
Regarding your question , “does he (Trump) want a second term?” Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over “rogue nations” gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off “The Apprentice.”
Also,you discussed Trump’s potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will “crap” upon his voters. As in all things, Art, “everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump’s supporter’s shall get “crapped” upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney’s ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole’s attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.
Finally, today’s Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, “(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts.” Oh shit, Art, — how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business “conflicts of interest”???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump’s Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!
Please read Peter Grant’s W.S.J. article below… at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, “a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University.” Professor Clark opined, “(I) don’t think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387
One must accept Jared Kushner’s Zionism will have zero effect on who’s side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art… I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, “the shit has hit the 1984 fan!”
Are you a fraud ?
I only ask because your contrived encounter in the Dunkin' Donuts sounds like bullsh#t...
It might not be....but why does some young person in a doughnut shop in Scranton want to "nuke Iran and turn the desert to glass" ?
Why does he even give a sh#t about Iran ?
And your answer is ?
( please.....no bullsh#t)
Thank you
For sure that element is in every Republican vote - the people who switched to Trump are most likely NOT those hard asses. If Trump wants to get reelected he needs to appeal to those average middle class people who are part of the no-war voters.I think you are right. Four years is an epic in our times. Thanks for the thorough reply.
Peace --- Art
I do not know how much the U.S. Executive Branch comedy can go on before the Zionist lowerarchy must do what the collapsing Roman Empire (under Constantine) did and moved east to Byzantium for continuation. ha-ha. Refer to announcement, below?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steven-mnuchin-be-named-treasury-secretary-report-951207
2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! I know you really want a US attack on Iran because it will give you more material to complain about but it will never come to pass.
The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term “Islamophobe”, but of course he’s right that we shouldn’t be looking for a war against Iran as the US gov seems to be doing.
I wouldn’t want anyone in the fed gov who doesn’t fear Muslims and consider them a grave threat to our security, freedom, and way of life. I just want the gov to focus on deporting muslims from our countries and refusing them the right to settle here. I don’t want us going abroad to kill or terrorize or sanction them in their countries.
There is no place for anti Islamic bullshit in civilized discourse.
War against Iran would mean many body bags on TV and sky-high gas prices for a sustained period. In addition to harming American soldiers and families, that would doom Trump’s re-election campaign, most likely.
Praying that Trump has the sense and decency not to let these warmongering pricks Flynn and Pompeo egg him into a needless, non-defensive slaughter.
[…] years. It is still strong. The latest evidence of this is that Trump has surrounded himself with several rabid anti-Iranites. Hostility, prejudice and discrimination against Iran has marked U.S. foreign policy. Congress […]
Iran is a country of eighty million with a much higher level of human development than Afghanistan. Not only is it no pushover it has the capability to fight back in many ways. It's a regional power and there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Hopefully much of what's been said was just rhetoric to placate certain segments of the population. Otherwise, a disastrous thirty year conflict sucking away resources and money could be in our future.
It wouldn’t take anywhere near thirty years to destroy Iran if we were really serious and brutal about it. But it would be disastrous for our economy, for world oil prices, and of course for the HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND of American soldiers who would be killed or seriously injured / maimed. Iran is no Iraq and it’s no joke.
If even just Russia and Iran were to start conducting fossil-fuel and other business all in the Chinese yuan, the US dollar could take a hit from which it might not fully recover.
The U.S. National Intelligence Estimates (NIE) has consistently stated that Iran is not seeking to build a nuclear weapons program. When do hard facts finally win against pro-Israel/anti-Iran ideology, propaganda and Israeli meddling in U.S foreign policy via their too numerous to count agents throughout the establishment? Throw in some prominent, end times Christian fanatics who dutifully support anything Israel so desires.
It’s time we get out of the Middle East and adopt a policy of strict neutrality with all nations, especially Iran, although we should assist Syria and Russia in their endeavor to destroy ISIS. If Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel don’t like that then too bad.
I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.
So would I, sir, so would I!
As one who voted for Trump, I'll admit to being underwhelmed by his choice of Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor. And those cretins Romney and Guiliani are being considered for Secretary of State! . . .
Art,
I don't want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the "hands-off" realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.
To a degree, I disagree with you that "his voters do not want an Iran." Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin' Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, "we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!"
Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one's going to "Make America Great Again" without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo."
Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney's political life, he read Paul Kennedy's book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a "crap"?
Regarding your question , "does he (Trump) want a second term?" Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over "rogue nations" gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off "The Apprentice."
Also,you discussed Trump's potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will "crap" upon his voters. As in all things, Art, "everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump's supporter's shall get "crapped" upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney's ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole's attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.
Finally, today's Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, "(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts." Oh shit, Art, -- how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business "conflicts of interest"???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump's Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!
Please read Peter Grant's W.S.J. article below... at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, "a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University." Professor Clark opined, "(I) don't think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387
One must accept Jared Kushner's Zionism will have zero effect on who's side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art... I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, "the shit has hit the 1984 fan!"
Dear Mr Orloski,
Are you a fraud ?
I only ask because your contrived encounter in the Dunkin’ Donuts sounds like bullsh#t…
It might not be….but why does some young person in a doughnut shop in Scranton want to “nuke Iran and turn the desert to glass” ?
Why does he even give a sh#t about Iran ?
And your answer is ?
( please…..no bullsh#t)
Thank you
You don't have to go as far as Scranton to hear 'Merkins spewing this crap.
Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you'd finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!
Getting closer.
I wouldn't want anyone in the fed gov who doesn't fear Muslims and consider them a grave threat to our security, freedom, and way of life. I just want the gov to focus on deporting muslims from our countries and refusing them the right to settle here. I don't want us going abroad to kill or terrorize or sanction them in their countries.
The war against Islamophobia is one of the few things the Left gets right. That and animal rights. I’m at a bit of a loss to think of anything else they are right about, however.
There is no place for anti Islamic bullshit in civilized discourse.
Where you been man? You definitely have the ability to surprise. I think the term 'Islamophobia' is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn't hold water.
Even as a Muslim, if I try to wear another person's shoes, I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine - especially in this day and age when most religion is either in retreat, lost confidence in its normative narrative, or considered a hobby, or worse - irrelevant.
There are also plenty of irrational reasons to have issues with Islamic doctrine - most of which is a result of building up a false straw man and complaining and whining about it. In this I would agree that "anti Islamic bullshit" should be filtered out so that everyone can clear the air about what are serious and rational concerns. Shutting down public discourse on the subject like the Left tries to do is counter-productive to the discussion.
And I certainly hope and pray you are right about no US attack on Iran ever happening.
Peace.
“Iran is now at the very top of Israel’s ‘Injure and Weaken list.”
Yes, Mr. Green, you are right. Zionists are aching to settle matters in “Greater Israel” territorial favor so that they can concentrate efforts & “pivot” eastward where the big consumer market is. No doubt, President Donald Trump will go in such direction.
Have you read the Wall Street Journal article a couple weeks ago, which focused upon huge global investment plans in China ? The Goldman Sachs Group was reported to be involved in high level negotiations with the P.R.C. government. Goldman Sachs wants to engage investment opportunities minus the state regulatory need for having to team with Chinese firms.
Get this? In today’s Wall Street Journal, and as notorious global wheeler & dealer Goldman Sachs wants free reign to operate in China, there’s an article detailing how Beijing wants to rate citizen/consumers on their daily behavior and to correspondingly “reward or punish” people. Refer to article below?
https://lbfromlv.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/chinas-new-tool-for-social-control-a-credit-rating-for-everything-by-josh-chin-and-gillian-wong-nov-28-2016-1146-a-m-et/
Incredible how clever are Vampire Squid business planners and population pre-conditioners! They want to dictate morality (& accountability) to China’s 1.4 billion “market,” and simultaneously, the Goldman Sachs Group can make people eat McDonalds scraps fallen off from the Rich Man’s annual P&L banquet table.
Are you a fraud ?
I only ask because your contrived encounter in the Dunkin' Donuts sounds like bullsh#t...
It might not be....but why does some young person in a doughnut shop in Scranton want to "nuke Iran and turn the desert to glass" ?
Why does he even give a sh#t about Iran ?
And your answer is ?
( please.....no bullsh#t)
Thank you
Alexander, are you a fraud?
You don’t have to go as far as Scranton to hear ‘Merkins spewing this crap.
True story - but we killed a million of them anyway.
What is wrong with us?
Judaism's Zionist Zombies wanted us to take out Saddam and Iraq - another million people destroyed.
Now the Zionist Zombies what us to take down Iran - same false claims - WMD nukes.
Trump gave off the impression that he was not interested in more war. God help us if Trump caves to Judaism.
Peace --- Art
I don’t know what’s wrong with us, but it sure appears that Humpty Trump will be no better than the Happy War Sow, aka the Charnel House Madam, would have been.
Whatever’s wrong with us is apparently incurable.
There is no place for anti Islamic bullshit in civilized discourse.
Hey Greasy!
Where you been man? You definitely have the ability to surprise. I think the term ‘Islamophobia’ is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn’t hold water.
Even as a Muslim, if I try to wear another person’s shoes, I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine – especially in this day and age when most religion is either in retreat, lost confidence in its normative narrative, or considered a hobby, or worse – irrelevant.
There are also plenty of irrational reasons to have issues with Islamic doctrine – most of which is a result of building up a false straw man and complaining and whining about it. In this I would agree that “anti Islamic bullshit” should be filtered out so that everyone can clear the air about what are serious and rational concerns. Shutting down public discourse on the subject like the Left tries to do is counter-productive to the discussion.
And I certainly hope and pray you are right about no US attack on Iran ever happening.
Peace.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/11/11/iaea-iran-violated-nuclear-deal/
And how many provisions of the NPT has Israel breached, Sam. Oh, I almost forgot, the answer is zero… that’s b/c Israel refuses to sign the NPT. Hey, no big deal… as iffen is so fond of saying “Do as I say, not as I do.”
Come now, Goldman Sachs’s Steven Mnuchin as Treasury of the Secretary? There’s one born every minute.
The Unitedstatesian electorate clearly gets what it deserves from both arms of the duopoly–to wit, a three ring illusion of choice and change while the same old circus rolls on.
Mesmerized, mediatized, lobotomized suckers! Step right up, step right up!
Wow - that is not a good sign - and that is an understatement.
Peace.
Is there any populism left in Trump? Look at his nominations: retreads from Bush administration and retreaded economical ideas from Reagan. Mr. Trickle-down Paul Craig Roberts could have had a chance if he did not check out too soon for the UFO-land. Republicans at their worst. Steven Mnuchin? Romney? And all under auspices of Paul Ryan. Privatize everything!
Steve Bannon, the only person in Trump entourage with original ideas will have to quit soon. They gave him an office, probably w/o a telephone, to keep some alt-righters pacified.
Indeed, one sometimes wonders whether the absurd appearance of Israeli NAZI's was not a part of the long term plan.
But recall, the Neo-Con idol Leo Strauss thought that the only thing seriously wrong with the German NAZI's was that they persecuted Jews. All the rest--no problem, jeje.
No doubt Señor Netanyahu agrees, whatever he says in public.
Art,
I don't want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the "hands-off" realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.
To a degree, I disagree with you that "his voters do not want an Iran." Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin' Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, "we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!"
Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one's going to "Make America Great Again" without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo."
Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney's political life, he read Paul Kennedy's book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a "crap"?
Regarding your question , "does he (Trump) want a second term?" Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over "rogue nations" gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off "The Apprentice."
Also,you discussed Trump's potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will "crap" upon his voters. As in all things, Art, "everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump's supporter's shall get "crapped" upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney's ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole's attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.
Finally, today's Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, "(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts." Oh shit, Art, -- how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business "conflicts of interest"???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump's Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!
Please read Peter Grant's W.S.J. article below... at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, "a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University." Professor Clark opined, "(I) don't think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387
One must accept Jared Kushner's Zionism will have zero effect on who's side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art... I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, "the shit has hit the 1984 fan!"
Chuck Orloski,
For sure that element is in every Republican vote – the people who switched to Trump are most likely NOT those hard asses. If Trump wants to get reelected he needs to appeal to those average middle class people who are part of the no-war voters.
I think you are right. Four years is an epic in our times. Thanks for the thorough reply.
Peace — Art
When, as reported by The Saker, the Russians in regard to Syria attacked the United States, specifically the Obama administration as “non-agreement-capable”, that is, incapable of making and keeping an agreement, they got to the heart of the matter.
In fact the whole history of the United States is a long train of broken treaties and agreements, as standard policy.
But structurally it is also a characteristic of United Statesian faux-democracy. One administration makes a treaty or an agreement and the next one breaks it.
Trump is running true to form here as well, promising to negotiate new agreements with Iran and Cuba, while not following the ones already made.
This casts doubt also on the supposed new “reset” of relations with the Russians, which is probably some real estate-like “deal” in Señor Trump’s delusional cabeza, that is, say, “Vladimir, old comrade, how about this–we will not interfere with you in Syria if you do not interfere with us in destabilizing and eventually attacking Iran. Talk to Señor Netanyahu–he’ll give to all the details.”
Get ready for the White Nationalist corn field conclaves in sheets thick with swastikas, crosses, and mogen davids, jeje.
The Unitedstatesian electorate clearly gets what it deserves from both arms of the duopoly--to wit, a three ring illusion of choice and change while the same old circus rolls on.
Mesmerized, mediatized, lobotomized suckers! Step right up, step right up!
You…have…got…to…be…kidding…me…
Wow – that is not a good sign – and that is an understatement.
Peace.
Steve Bannon, the only person in Trump entourage with original ideas will have to quit soon. They gave him an office, probably w/o a telephone, to keep some alt-righters pacified.
Er, Bannon is a Zionist or haven’t poked into his background? He may lead the pack in putting mogen davids on the white nationalist sheets, just as Netanyahu also engineered the Zionization of fundmentalist Xians.
Indeed, one sometimes wonders whether the absurd appearance of Israeli NAZI’s was not a part of the long term plan.
But recall, the Neo-Con idol Leo Strauss thought that the only thing seriously wrong with the German NAZI’s was that they persecuted Jews. All the rest–no problem, jeje.
No doubt Señor Netanyahu agrees, whatever he says in public.
Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien...I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!
I’m pretty sure that 9/11 Truthers don’t feel hatred towards you at all, pity would be the most common and logical sentiment. Your posts here at unz.com really are pathetic.
I think it’s a pretty good term that has been given a bad name due to the Left trying to equate it with racism, as you said. It’s unfortunate that the populist right in the west has been forced to use anti Islam stuff in order to take power but a drowning man grabs whatever he can. The sad thing is, unlike other immigrant groups, Muslims never asked the Left to take up the Islamic cause but the Left felt it was their place and now Muslims are being tarred by association.
I reject Biblical inerrancy. If I admitted as much publicly I would be kicked out of my community. Rationality and religious doctrine don’t always fit as seamlessly as we would like to believe.
But honestly, as unbelievable as it sounds, I really think the number one problem people in the west have with Muslims is the way they dress. I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me. Actually, I still kinda feel that way. I don’t know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction. I feel stupid even writing this but I really think that’s what it is.
1) Muslims cannot be cultural predators in the lands that they live in - it is absolutely vital for them to dress in the styles that are common to the local people - the 'urf as much as their religion allows. If they come in wearing stuff that is the cultural norm for Bedouin Arabs, it will be rejected and seen as a foreign imposition. My teachers have emphasized to their students (especially women) to wear local (modest) styles and colors and avoid the niqab. If you go around the Muslim world, their is no mistaking a traditional Malay clothing from Senegalese, from Chechen from Punjabi, etc. - each are distinct. For God's sake, they even have unique caps or ways of tying their turban!
2) Westerners have forgotten their (relatively recent) past. I married a Swede so I am quite interested in Sweden and its history. In any of the history books that I have come across, Swedish women (especially in the rural areas) dressed modestly, and covered their hair - often with elaborate head dress. And this happened well into the late 1800's and early 1900's - and this phenomenon is not unique to Sweden by any means:
https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=traditional%20swedish%20dress&rs=typed&term_meta%5B%5D=dress%7CtypedHopefully, some enterprising young Muslims will figure out a way to infuse the traditional embroidery, patterns, styles into modern, modest clothing so that it is a revival of those same local Western norms people left behind. Some have already started working on it:
http://www.shukronline.com/womens-tunic.htmlPeace.
I believe WTC7 was the actual control centre for the 9/11 demolition charges and also where the evidence concerning billions of dollars in fraud was stored by the SEC, it was very conveniently destroyed.
But honestly, as unbelievable as it sounds, I really think the number one problem people in the west have with Muslims is the way they dress. I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me. Actually, I still kinda feel that way. I don't know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction. I feel stupid even writing this but I really think that's what it is.
Hey Greasy,
Muslims are to blame too, we cozied up to the Left way too close. It is costing us in terms of people losing their faith since Left-liberalism is such a contrast to our traditional mores. Most people that leave Islam go the Left-liberal, atheist route.
You make an excellent point; there are two issues here:
1) Muslims cannot be cultural predators in the lands that they live in – it is absolutely vital for them to dress in the styles that are common to the local people – the ‘urf as much as their religion allows. If they come in wearing stuff that is the cultural norm for Bedouin Arabs, it will be rejected and seen as a foreign imposition. My teachers have emphasized to their students (especially women) to wear local (modest) styles and colors and avoid the niqab. If you go around the Muslim world, their is no mistaking a traditional Malay clothing from Senegalese, from Chechen from Punjabi, etc. – each are distinct. For God’s sake, they even have unique caps or ways of tying their turban!
2) Westerners have forgotten their (relatively recent) past. I married a Swede so I am quite interested in Sweden and its history. In any of the history books that I have come across, Swedish women (especially in the rural areas) dressed modestly, and covered their hair – often with elaborate head dress. And this happened well into the late 1800′s and early 1900′s – and this phenomenon is not unique to Sweden by any means:
https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=traditional%20swedish%20dress&rs=typed&term_meta%5B%5D=dress%7Ctyped
Hopefully, some enterprising young Muslims will figure out a way to infuse the traditional embroidery, patterns, styles into modern, modest clothing so that it is a revival of those same local Western norms people left behind. Some have already started working on it:
http://www.shukronline.com/womens-tunic.html
Peace.
PHIL GIRALDI FOR PRESIDENTIAL ADVISOR
Author says Trump needs patriot Giraldi in CIA post.
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2016/11/29/the-us-intelligence-community-and-president-elect-donald-trump-needs-philip-giraldi/
“The underlying theme and thread of all these revelations by Phil Giraldi underscores one glaring bright truth – that Mr Giraldi has consistently, courageously, heroically, and patriotically always chosen to expose the truth and provide intelligence that serves the interests of the American People and the United States of America, rather than the corporate/bankster plutocratic deep state elite.”
Not likely. Russia will exterminate Israel if Trump attacks Iran.
Indeed, one sometimes wonders whether the absurd appearance of Israeli NAZI's was not a part of the long term plan.
But recall, the Neo-Con idol Leo Strauss thought that the only thing seriously wrong with the German NAZI's was that they persecuted Jews. All the rest--no problem, jeje.
No doubt Señor Netanyahu agrees, whatever he says in public.
I disagree on Bannon. He has way too much Catholic teaching in him to go the way of Christian fundamentalist and their zionist obsessions. Besides his view on capitalism seem to be also sensible: Neither the crony capitalism of Paul Bryans of the Republican party nor libertarian Ayn Rand’s nonsense of quasi-educated Protestant youth. He will be sidelined. He is kept there to placate the populist electorate of Trump. The populist electorate will be placated with few miles of the useless wall and the sidetracked on bait and switch operation with islamophobia fest and some Middle East adventure on behalf of Nut&Yahoo.
SYRIA: Gareth Porter’s detailed debunking of the [propaganda op] White Helmets’ account of the September 19 attack on a Syrian Red Crescent aid convoy –
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/how-syrian-white-helmets-played-western-media
The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.
Fascists (useful idiots of the rich) are getting very vocal lately.
The left is not your enemy.
[…] “Iranophobes on Parade”. Trump’s stated position on Iran is nuts, and is completely out of sync with his usual consistent patriotic isolationism. “The Iran Deal Is Doomed”. “ISIS to carry out Dirty Bomb attack in near future?”. […]
With imminent Trump presidency at hand and borrowing words from W.B. Yeats: “Things will start falling apart” much faster than at present. “The center cannot hold” and “mere anarchy” will be “loosed upon the world”. Iran will probably be the first victim of Trump’s anarchic world in the making, where the “ceremony of innocence will be drowned”.
Not that things would likely have fared better for Iran with a US led by Hillary Clinton. The threats and dangers for Iran’s future would have been more predictable then than now in a Trump presidency.
As pointed out in some comments here American conventional war waging against Iran can be ruled out. US conventional wars have produced dismal results in the last decade and half, and are very unlikely to be contemplated against a well-defended Iran. Nevertheless, “American Exceptionalism” requires restoration of respect and awe of US’ global military might. The question then arises: How about introducing and making acceptable the use of tactical nuclear weapons to destroy “the Iran threat”? And Trump would be the man to do it. In a world where the West is sliding into disorder who would really care?
Can anybody here tell me what Iranians would, or could, do if their country’s military and industrial infrastructures were nuked by the US (or Israel)?
I’m all for staying out of the Middle East’s business, but it seems awful naive to me to believe Iran is anything but hostile towards the US, or that they aren’t interested in acquiring nuclear weapons.
(Phil, didn’t I hear you say that an Iranian tried to kill you once?)
I suspect Trump is more interested in the subservient position Obama has taken vis-a-vis the Iran deal. He’s old enough to remember the Iranian Revolution and Hostage Crisis– and our relationship since then, and it colors his opinions.
Trump may also have insight into how ugly the Iran deal really is, particularly with respect to the massive payouts we’ve made and the circumstances provoking them. He may be using what he knows as a cudgel against his current administration enemies who also are aware of the true score.
Iran-bashing also plays well to the AIPAC crowd, and Trump is clearly aware of that contingent’s power in Washington and in the media. Is Trump a hawk on Iran? Perhaps. But I think, at the very least, some of it is a show.
At first Flynn sounded like a non-interventionist I could absolutely get behind, but as time has gone on he’s revealed himself to be more complicated, with his cheerleading that sounds suspiciously Neocon, his recently-revealed ties to the Turkish lobby and to Michael Ledeen. I actually wonder if Trump hasn’t cooled on Flynn a little bit. We haven’t seen much of him since the RNC.
Come on Trump, don’t fail me now! I need something to watch, I’ve been DYING for this war with Iran. Don’t pussy out on me like Obama!
The Unitedstatesian electorate clearly gets what it deserves from both arms of the duopoly--to wit, a three ring illusion of choice and change while the same old circus rolls on.
Mesmerized, mediatized, lobotomized suckers! Step right up, step right up!
Amen!
But honestly, as unbelievable as it sounds, I really think the number one problem people in the west have with Muslims is the way they dress. I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me. Actually, I still kinda feel that way. I don't know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction. I feel stupid even writing this but I really think that's what it is.
Thanks for pointing that out. It’s a sort of revelation to me because situations like that arouse curiosity, not fear. I don’t say that to claim some sappy moral superiority, but to point out the fact, (astonishing as it may seem to more enlightened folk), that heretofore I’ve been totally clueless that folks could feel threatened by something like that, and I’ve often reacted brashly towards them. Your pointing that out will hopefully cause me to approach potentially fearful ones in a more reasonable manner. It also somewhat explains for me a good reason to love the enemy; i.e., the poor dude may simply be afraid of something.
[…] Link to the source […]
That’s the hope for the world. But Giraldi’s point here is that Trump’s appointments suggest otherwise.
Then again, it’s probably too much to hope for sanity on both Russia and Iran in one US administration.
The two most glaringly obvious irrationalities in US elite thinking on foreign policy (if, for the sake of argument, one assumes US foreign policy should act in the interests of the American nation) are over Russia and Iran.
It was probably always too much to realistically expect, even for a probably basically patriotic incomer such as Trump, that an administration could be formed from men who are rational on both those issues at once. The politics would be highly dangerous, and are there even enough sufficiently experienced men at the top levels of the US elite who are reasonably uncorrupted and competent on both issues to form such an administration at all?
The best we can hope for from a Trump presidency, I suspect, is to at least draw back from the Clintonite unreason on Russia, with its implicit threat of world war, and from R2P stupidity, while he hopefully at least keeps somewhat of a lid on his staffers’ delusional aggression towards Iran, so far as he can achieve that.
The left is not your enemy.
I go along with the old French saying: “My son, beware of the Right. But, my son, beware of the Left.”
Son-in-law and Zionist Jared Kushner is going to call the shots regarding our ME policy.
Also, Giraldi should stop using the term “Mullahs” when referring to Iran. It is insulting and inaccurate–you’d think Giraldi would know better. Would he refer to our government as a “whitey” government…?
Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’. After all, I’ve never spotted you chafing about “Big Jews, little jews “…etc
This isn’t about Israel. Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.
As the one who you anointed as a "bacterial strain, " I'll second the above quotation in remembrance of "Operation Grapes of Wrath."
I'd bet that some modern Okies who have read Steinbeck's classic "Grapes of Wrath" would turn quite pale had they learned facts about the evil perpetrated at Qana.
Thank you, Sam the Sham! Unscrupulous people do not have virtues when they are fighting for an unscrupulous cause.
Trump is a clueless authoritarian.
Pray that during the next 4-years he doesn’t use nuclear weapons, seize (or be handed) dictatorial powers to one degree or another, start some other non-nuclear war, or generally sink the economy.
Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.
“… striking a factual, instead of an idealized stance on every nation is important.”
As the one who you anointed as a “bacterial strain, ” I’ll second the above quotation in remembrance of “Operation Grapes of Wrath.”
I’d bet that some modern Okies who have read Steinbeck’s classic “Grapes of Wrath” would turn quite pale had they learned facts about the evil perpetrated at Qana.
Thank you, Sam the Sham! Unscrupulous people do not have virtues when they are fighting for an unscrupulous cause.
How can any discussion about US relations with Iran, especially about any aspect of the US-led drive to isolate and destabilise Iran and the nuclear weapons pretext used for that purpose, not include Israel and yet hope to be relevant?
I agree with you on this, though it’s easier said than achieved in practice, imo.
There is to be no war against Iran!! so I wish uninformed people would simply stop.
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Adjustment
Production level effective Jan17
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As the one who you anointed as a "bacterial strain, " I'll second the above quotation in remembrance of "Operation Grapes of Wrath."
I'd bet that some modern Okies who have read Steinbeck's classic "Grapes of Wrath" would turn quite pale had they learned facts about the evil perpetrated at Qana.
Thank you, Sam the Sham! Unscrupulous people do not have virtues when they are fighting for an unscrupulous cause.
And I’ll second that sentiment in the spirit of Steinbeck’s novel, hoping bacterial strains migrate as far west, preferably the mid-Pacific ocean, leaving this country in the hands of those firmly on terra firma and not your imaginary planet of the apes.
Btw, you are a fraud and I happen to know your old handle. When driving around in Scranton pay attention to the traffic; bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.
Also, when not loafing about the Dunkin Donuts, read up on Hama as well.
Awful how bad public schools kids have it nowadays, eh Sam the Sham? In contrast to the idiotic statistic (above) which you customarily exaggerated, the minds of poor American kids actually suffer intellectual death at the hands of the U.S./ Zionist approved national history teaching curriculum.
One thing you're correct about though! I admit to "loafing" in between am/pm school bus runs, but I do not run away from the waitress's "tip cups" like some of the curmudgeon ilk inhabiting Scranton "terra firma" Hill Section always do.
Like Muhammad Ali once famously said, "ain't no Vietnamese ever called me a nigga'," now I can say that "ain't no Hamas ever called me a fraud."
Thank you... pax in terra!
In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best. In case you hadn’t noticed, the just completed OPEC meeting concluded successfully, and I might add successfully for all, notably for Iran, since an overall production cut has been achieved withing reasonable parameters with Iran receiving an increased quota, over their previous production levels.
There is to be no war against Iran!! so I wish uninformed people would simply stop.
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Adjustment
Production level effective Jan17
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Angola
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Venezuela
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Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.
Here's a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:Ain't the Internet a beautiful thing?
[…] Iranophobes on Parade […]
There is to be no war against Iran!! so I wish uninformed people would simply stop.
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Reference Production level
Adjustment
Production level effective Jan17
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1,089
–50
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Angola
1,751
–87
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Ecuador
548
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Gabon
202
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Indonesia**
755
IR Iran
3,975
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Iraq
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Kuwait
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There you go again, Sam… trying to take The Dumb Goy for a ride.
Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.
Here’s a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:
Ain’t the Internet a beautiful thing?
but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they'd have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors. There were also numerous shocks to supply:1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there. 2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports. 3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields. 4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production. 5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife. 6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field. 7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day. So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.
Blind worship of leadership; forced marriages and divorces of members, with numerous children separated from parents, etc. It is not “cult-like”. It is a cult.
“…bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.”
Awful how bad public schools kids have it nowadays, eh Sam the Sham? In contrast to the idiotic statistic (above) which you customarily exaggerated, the minds of poor American kids actually suffer intellectual death at the hands of the U.S./ Zionist approved national history teaching curriculum.
One thing you’re correct about though! I admit to “loafing” in between am/pm school bus runs, but I do not run away from the waitress’s “tip cups” like some of the curmudgeon ilk inhabiting Scranton “terra firma” Hill Section always do.
Like Muhammad Ali once famously said, “ain’t no Vietnamese ever called me a nigga’,” now I can say that “ain’t no Hamas ever called me a fraud.”
Thank you… pax in terra!
Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.
Here's a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:Ain't the Internet a beautiful thing?
Sorry Geo,
but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors.
There were also numerous shocks to supply:
1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there.
2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports.
3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields.
4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production.
5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife.
6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field.
7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day.
So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/5559634
Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.
Here's a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:Ain't the Internet a beautiful thing?
Agree.
It's time we get out of the Middle East and adopt a policy of strict neutrality with all nations, especially Iran, although we should assist Syria and Russia in their endeavor to destroy ISIS. If Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel don't like that then too bad.
I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.
“I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.”
So would I, sir, so would I!
As one who voted for Trump, I’ll admit to being underwhelmed by his choice of Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor. And those cretins Romney and Guiliani are being considered for Secretary of State! . . .
Thank you. Very much a cult, indeed.
Many of these MEK separated, brainwashed children were, for years, virtual prisoners in Camp Ashraf in Iraq. Originally sheltered by Saddam, MEK orchestrated random assassinations, i.e. terrorism in Iran. For some years the US had them rightly designated as terrorist org., until they managed to slither off the list. They crept around DC, mewling the usual ‘persecuted freedom-fighter’ BS.
Awful how bad public schools kids have it nowadays, eh Sam the Sham? In contrast to the idiotic statistic (above) which you customarily exaggerated, the minds of poor American kids actually suffer intellectual death at the hands of the U.S./ Zionist approved national history teaching curriculum.
One thing you're correct about though! I admit to "loafing" in between am/pm school bus runs, but I do not run away from the waitress's "tip cups" like some of the curmudgeon ilk inhabiting Scranton "terra firma" Hill Section always do.
Like Muhammad Ali once famously said, "ain't no Vietnamese ever called me a nigga'," now I can say that "ain't no Hamas ever called me a fraud."
Thank you... pax in terra!
Although it would’ve been poetic in an ironic way, only a fraud would equate Hama to Hamas. Update your reading between the imaginary bus runs, and try not to kill the children.
Hama not so much.
Haha. Should anti-Semitism carry a good name? But yes, I’d agree on balance that anti-Semitism’s necessary but not sufficient condition requires some significant level of stupidity. Watch the Trump plan unfold over the next four years and you’ll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites’ shrillness.
Here is a fact, Sam the Sham: One day the US/Zionist Empire will fall, like all the rest did throughout recorded history.
Someday, when the US/Zionist Empire is simply wiped out, maybe under the presidency of Donald Trump's son-in-law's son, all Zionist Jews would in my opinion IMMEDIATELY transfer their loyalty to... uh, Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III.
You should know better, Sam the Sham! Y0ur enthusiasm for what you flippantly label as moronic "antisemitism" makes you impervious to understand that the Islamic Republic of Iran government must be wiped out (by USrael) and thus remove a danger to Greater Israel's eastern flank. No inconvenient fact(s) will get in the way of such Superpower "Asian Century" undertaking.
Get on the ball! I don't know how much more freshman-level Hasbara Fellowship comments (like yours) this thread can take. In meantime, pax in terra.
but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they'd have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors. There were also numerous shocks to supply:1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there. 2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports. 3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields. 4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production. 5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife. 6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field. 7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day. So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.
Excellent exposition of the d/s fundamentals, Sam. I would give you an A+. But what you have conveniently omitted from your little fundamentals analysis, Sam, is the critical role speculators play in setting the price in the crude oil futures market:
For that little omission, Sam, you get an F.
As always, Sam, it appears that you are the one who is guilty of having a vivid imagination.
but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they'd have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors. There were also numerous shocks to supply:1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there. 2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports. 3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields. 4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production. 5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife. 6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field. 7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day. So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.
Meanwhile, follow the money…
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/5559634
Trump's team was eminently visible to voters the whole time, so I'm more than a little perplexed at the reaction from so many on this board and elsewhere about his picks. I happen to think that scrapping Dodd-Frank in its entirety is ill-advised but all other actions he has taken have been fine [Carrier e.g] .
I think Steve Bannon is a great pick, as are Mnuchin, Haley, Flynn and Sessions for the job Trump promised voters. But of course, we have to wait and see what the first 100 days produce.
I think he picks Romney over Giuliani as he needs Romney to mobilise the GoP apparatus to work with him. But Trump being Trump might end up surprising everyone with a pick like Bolton!
“… you’ll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites shrillness.”
Here is a fact, Sam the Sham: One day the US/Zionist Empire will fall, like all the rest did throughout recorded history.
Someday, when the US/Zionist Empire is simply wiped out, maybe under the presidency of Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son, all Zionist Jews would in my opinion IMMEDIATELY transfer their loyalty to… uh, Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III.
You should know better, Sam the Sham! Y0ur enthusiasm for what you flippantly label as moronic “antisemitism” makes you impervious to understand that the Islamic Republic of Iran government must be wiped out (by USrael) and thus remove a danger to Greater Israel’s eastern flank. No inconvenient fact(s) will get in the way of such Superpower “Asian Century” undertaking.
Get on the ball! I don’t know how much more freshman-level Hasbara Fellowship comments (like yours) this thread can take. In meantime, pax in terra.
"Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son", "Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III"
What are you babbling about Orloski? Now run along and read about the Hama
Tell you what, Sam.. when I spot you chafing about disastrous actions – death of millions of innocent people, the creation of millions of refugees, and the redirecting of trillions of US taxpayer dollars – all due to The Lobby’s efforts to remake MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, that’s when you’ll spot me chafing about insensitive words.
How true. Just as Israel firsters give Israel a bad name.
Iran is the kingpin [1] of regime change and for Trump-revenge for the jailing of our diplomats by the students in Tehran.
The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.
Trump will work cordially with your “left-leaning” governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue. Iran is a different kettle of fish but you can hardly call its government “left-leaning” or do you?
Like Cuba, jeje?
It’s pretty ironic, isn’t it?
If I am not mistaken, Prime Minister Netanyahu is against our government pulling out of the Iran agreement. If that is correct, how does that square with your analysis?
Which the obedient Señor Trump will surely try his best to do. Heil, Bibi, etc.
I think you misunderstood my point: there is always a fear premium built into futures prices, in this instance due to Iran launch-testing missiles capable of reaching Tel-Aviv and the inevitable prospect of retaliation. However in 2008, Iran’s output did not fall during that period and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.
A few relevant excerpts:
In addition, this blog entry from Menzie Chin [an economist I endorse] provides a really thorough and balanced approach to the Spring 2008 oil spike:
I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic ” Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East”. I do not deny that it plays a role but it may not even be the most important one.
The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work “Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China’s ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/5559634
Hi Nosy,
Trump’s team was eminently visible to voters the whole time, so I’m more than a little perplexed at the reaction from so many on this board and elsewhere about his picks. I happen to think that scrapping Dodd-Frank in its entirety is ill-advised but all other actions he has taken have been fine [Carrier e.g] .
I think Steve Bannon is a great pick, as are Mnuchin, Haley, Flynn and Sessions for the job Trump promised voters. But of course, we have to wait and see what the first 100 days produce.
I think he picks Romney over Giuliani as he needs Romney to mobilise the GoP apparatus to work with him. But Trump being Trump might end up surprising everyone with a pick like Bolton!
Here is a fact, Sam the Sham: One day the US/Zionist Empire will fall, like all the rest did throughout recorded history.
Someday, when the US/Zionist Empire is simply wiped out, maybe under the presidency of Donald Trump's son-in-law's son, all Zionist Jews would in my opinion IMMEDIATELY transfer their loyalty to... uh, Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III.
You should know better, Sam the Sham! Y0ur enthusiasm for what you flippantly label as moronic "antisemitism" makes you impervious to understand that the Islamic Republic of Iran government must be wiped out (by USrael) and thus remove a danger to Greater Israel's eastern flank. No inconvenient fact(s) will get in the way of such Superpower "Asian Century" undertaking.
Get on the ball! I don't know how much more freshman-level Hasbara Fellowship comments (like yours) this thread can take. In meantime, pax in terra.
Hahahaha…..
“Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son”, “Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III”
What are you babbling about Orloski? Now run along and read about the Hama
You’ve got the gist of my little post inverted; I only meant that you don’t ever chafe with ‘Jew-this ‘or ‘Jew that’ in your writing, and therefore questioned where the identification with the ‘Art’s came from. Moreover, I don’t need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME. It would quickly get rather boring.
We the people couldn’t stomach the very high casualties from an actual invasion of Iran, but I’m afraid most Americans would find a long and destructive air campaign against Iran even more satisfying than left over turkey and gravy. The infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up. War with Iran seems the perfect way to accomplish that. Thinking has to change, we’re not going to war to capture Mid-East
oil but to remove it from the market. Parents, count your children…
The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.
Let’s invade Canada!
You don't have to go as far as Scranton to hear 'Merkins spewing this crap.
Robin, I think alexander got it right. Of course, none can be sure, but that encounter “in the Dunkin Donuts!” thrown in for that authentic flavour, yet achieving only good comedic release, ["oh boy!"] sounds like utter BS.
“Trump will work cordially with your “left-leaning” governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue”
Like Cuba, jeje?
Ah yes–what Netanyahu has been reported to have recommended to Señor Trump is, stay in and renegotiate, then strangle gradually.
Which the obedient Señor Trump will surely try his best to do. Heil, Bibi, etc.
Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.
Hama not so much.
Of course, Sam the Sham wants the dumb goys to think otherwise.
That's why Israeli's aerial slaughter at Qana remains a complete mystery to Americans and is a "crime against humanity" which easily descended into the Zionist operated "Memory Hole."
Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and are unaware about what's really going on in the world.
Thank you... pax in terra.
The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.
Great thought provoking post.
oil but to remove it from the market. Parents, count your children...
“the infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up”
They can build it but no one will come. Where are they going to get the oil? From the conquest of Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela?
Fracking–minimum $80 per barrel to just beat breaking even.
You know how much it costs for the oil and putting one barrel from well to ship in Kuwait?
If what you say is true, the energy owners are as delusional as the rest. Did it ever occur to you what they are really after is the makings not of US oil dominance but a vast Finance Capitalist speculation scheme?
Suckers.
According to this ECB WORKING PAPER SERIES, NO 1371 / AUGUST 2011 report, entitled WHAT IS DRIVING OIL FUTURES PRICES? FUNDAMENTALS VERSUS SPECULATION, oil prices were driven by fundamentals. Trouble is, Sam, it is for the period 1992-2004. For the period we were discussing (2005-2011), however, speculation appears to have been the driver.
A few relevant excerpts:
Anyway believe what you want but the basic things do not change, which is precisely why prices came crashing in after the spring peak in 2008 whereas the build up to 2008 was long and sustained.
Just staying true to my Hellenic roots, Sam
You don’t need to preface all your posts, Sam… one will do. Given all the death and destruction, do you renounce the neocons’ project to remake the Middle East?
The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.
So, let’s see if I’ve got this straight. The ventriloquist David Frum whose voice appeared to come from George W Bush when he uttered the infamous phrase “States like [Iran, Iraq, NK... convenient substitute for Syria, not to make things too obvious for The Dumb Goy] and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world,” was more concerned about keeping shipping lanes open than he was about enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle? These wars in MENA were not PNAC inspired as stipulated in their A Clean Break blueprint? It had nothing to do with AIPAC’s influence to grease the skids for war by getting Congress to pass legislation like the Iraq Liberation Act? We should not believe our lying eyes and instead we should believe you that this is all about Mare Liberatum? Do I have that right? I ask because, as one of The Dumb Goy, my mind is only capable of comprehending “simplistic” explanations and needs help grasping the “more complex” ones.
The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.
The WMD story and 9/11 required considerable effort on the part of Zionists within the US administration and it wasn’t aimed at promoting “Freedom of the Sea”.
Hama not so much.
“Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.”
Of course, Sam the Sham wants the dumb goys to think otherwise.
That’s why Israeli’s aerial slaughter at Qana remains a complete mystery to Americans and is a “crime against humanity” which easily descended into the Zionist operated “Memory Hole.”
Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.
Thank you… pax in terra.
A few relevant excerpts:
The last sentence tells it all: futures prices were subject to greater than usual speculative activity. Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals. I don’t think you’d find any serious oilman deviating from this law. Just check out the many pronouncements of the Saudi ministers over the decades.
Anyway believe what you want but the basic things do not change, which is precisely why prices came crashing in after the spring peak in 2008 whereas the build up to 2008 was long and sustained.
Care to hazard a guess?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/5559634
As a further update, Mnuchin is thinking of very long maturity debt as a means to lock up funding:
Of course, Sam the Sham wants the dumb goys to think otherwise.
That's why Israeli's aerial slaughter at Qana remains a complete mystery to Americans and is a "crime against humanity" which easily descended into the Zionist operated "Memory Hole."
Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and are unaware about what's really going on in the world.
Thank you... pax in terra.
[Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.]
Your confused prepositions were somewhat difficult to negotiate in that sentence but I got the gist; indeed I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Dunkin Donuts Radicals easily enough.
Eat an extra one today.
Hey Sam the Sham,
That's a very cool name you've invented! Be sure to contact your local Hasbara unit and alert them to be on the "look out" for donuts being offered to stragglers in exchange for their vow to write t0 their Congressman and demand support for the families of 9/11 victims' lawsuits.
Seriously..., did you read in the Wall Street Journal where Dunkin' Donuts is negotiating a huge deal to open franchises throughout China?
Maybe President Trump will (strategically) appoint Chris Christie as U.S. Ambassador to the Peoples Republic of China so that its 1.4 billion (thin) consumer population can have a simulcast example of how well a corpulent Zionist can put down a dozen of non-kosher "Boston Cremes" in one sitting.
Thank you... X-tra pax in terra!
It would have been very helpful if you identify the We who will dispatch American Radicals Easy enough when the time comes.
Since you haven't revealed the counter revolutionarys, I suspect the WE are members of the fifth column dual Israeli citizens in America. I suspect the WE are members of the international Zionist criminal terrorist network who were behind the King David Holtel false flag terrorist attack, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Iraq war and the 911 terrorist attack on Americans.
See attached ..Israel did 911
Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn't go so well.
When the next nationalistic revolution comes, the Protocol's defense plan might not be able to pull the Chosen Internationalist's chestnuts out of the fire.
Why? The corrupt Globalist's so called democracies are marching towards nationalism.
Dunkin Donuts radicals are springing up all over the world. Nationalism is going global.
In the mean time, give me a bagel with a smear..... Thank you.
God I love this site, it is filled with truth tellers, who know dam well that behind most of America’s wars and troubles lie the Zionist Jew, period. It is also fun reading the comical “retorts from the hasbara trolls, who can’t actually argue based on the truth, but on lies and misdirection…Coincidentally quite similar to how the media and Zionist politicians argue, actually its not a coincidence at all, its collusion.
US election:
Jill Stein-Jew
HR Clinton, Zionist filth to her core
D. Trump, Zionist billionaire who made his money in NYC, need I say more…
Ted Cruze-Zionist freak along with his wife
Bernie Sanders-Jew (you have to love Sanders ROLE, he played the good guy, telling us all we wanted to hear, the pied piper, knowing he would not have to deliver on any of it.
A population of less than 2% and yet our elections look like they running for PM of Israel. If you don’t see the reality of our subjugation than you are blind beyond measure.
1) Military/security Industrial Complex - they need conflict (doesn't need to be in the ME - but it's as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
2) Messianic Evangelicals - Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) - they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) - like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
4) The state/bureaucracy in general - "War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense." Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
Some long for the days of the Cold War.There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.Peace.
US election:
Jill Stein-Jew
HR Clinton, Zionist filth to her core
D. Trump, Zionist billionaire who made his money in NYC, need I say more...
Ted Cruze-Zionist freak along with his wife
Bernie Sanders-Jew (you have to love Sanders ROLE, he played the good guy, telling us all we wanted to hear, the pied piper, knowing he would not have to deliver on any of it.
A population of less than 2% and yet our elections look like they running for PM of Israel. If you don't see the reality of our subjugation than you are blind beyond measure.
Hey TJM,
We have to be a little realistic here. There is no doubt that Jews have a disproportionate share in the power structure (and many of them are hard-core Zionists) – only the blind would argue otherwise. There are about as many of them as there are Korean Americans in the US – now if Koreans were as ensconced in the corridors of power as Jews currently are, it would obviously reflect in our foreign policy stances toward Korea and our commitments to East Asia. Same thing with Muslims or really any other minority – so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. With that in mind, is it reasonable to discuss whether it is a good idea for any minority to aggregate this much power? I think so, depending on the nature and substance of the discourse.
Also, you are letting some of the other non-Jewish players off the hook. These include, but are not limited to:
1) Military/security Industrial Complex – they need conflict (doesn’t need to be in the ME – but it’s as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
2) Messianic Evangelicals – Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) – they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) – like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
4) The state/bureaucracy in general – “War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense.” Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
Some long for the days of the Cold War.
There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.
Peace.
Hey Talha great comment.
I don't have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.
I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?
“…The Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals.”
Hey Sam the Sham,
That’s a very cool name you’ve invented! Be sure to contact your local Hasbara unit and alert them to be on the “look out” for donuts being offered to stragglers in exchange for their vow to write t0 their Congressman and demand support for the families of 9/11 victims’ lawsuits.
Seriously…, did you read in the Wall Street Journal where Dunkin’ Donuts is negotiating a huge deal to open franchises throughout China?
Maybe President Trump will (strategically) appoint Chris Christie as U.S. Ambassador to the Peoples Republic of China so that its 1.4 billion (thin) consumer population can have a simulcast example of how well a corpulent Zionist can put down a dozen of non-kosher “Boston Cremes” in one sitting.
Thank you… X-tra pax in terra!
I am glad you keep gorging on those doughnuts, it speaks well of your taste; after all the company was founded by Willaim Rosenberg and just so you know all baked goods are generally kosher as long as they do not come in contact with treifot [there is an inside joke, which you will never be able to guess]
One last word fraudster, Dunkin Donuts has been in China since Jan 2015....lol
1) Military/security Industrial Complex - they need conflict (doesn't need to be in the ME - but it's as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
2) Messianic Evangelicals - Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) - they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) - like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
4) The state/bureaucracy in general - "War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense." Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
Some long for the days of the Cold War.There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.Peace.
Well said, Talha. You are also a true gentleman. Thank you for your thoughts. I think we can agree that a case could be made that Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture. It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.
How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
Hey Sam the Sham,
That's a very cool name you've invented! Be sure to contact your local Hasbara unit and alert them to be on the "look out" for donuts being offered to stragglers in exchange for their vow to write t0 their Congressman and demand support for the families of 9/11 victims' lawsuits.
Seriously..., did you read in the Wall Street Journal where Dunkin' Donuts is negotiating a huge deal to open franchises throughout China?
Maybe President Trump will (strategically) appoint Chris Christie as U.S. Ambassador to the Peoples Republic of China so that its 1.4 billion (thin) consumer population can have a simulcast example of how well a corpulent Zionist can put down a dozen of non-kosher "Boston Cremes" in one sitting.
Thank you... X-tra pax in terra!
Hahaa.
I am glad you keep gorging on those doughnuts, it speaks well of your taste; after all the company was founded by Willaim Rosenberg and just so you know all baked goods are generally kosher as long as they do not come in contact with treifot [there is an inside joke, which you will never be able to guess]
One last word fraudster, Dunkin Donuts has been in China since Jan 2015….lol
[It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.]
How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.”
Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·
How am I doing geo?
“Talha… you are also a true gentleman.”
Mark, I admire how you recognize the virtue of one’s being a “gentleman.” This makes me a tad ashamed to be stooping to the level of mockery when it comes to my addressing Sam Shama’s extraordinarily shady comments.
One matter? As you know, “uniquely powerful” Zionist advocates did much more than “contaminate nearly every aspect of American culture.”
They succeeded in contaminating the unified INTERNATIONAL political & scientific culture that was tasked with prohibiting Israel from getting nuclear weapons. This might be “old hat” for you, Mark, but please consider the article, below?
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb547-Kennedy-Dimona-and-the-Nuclear-Proliferation-Problem-1961-1962/
Thank you.
1) Military/security Industrial Complex - they need conflict (doesn't need to be in the ME - but it's as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
2) Messianic Evangelicals - Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) - they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) - like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
4) The state/bureaucracy in general - "War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense." Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
Some long for the days of the Cold War.There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.Peace.
[ so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. ]
Hey Talha great comment.
I don’t have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.
I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?
http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amityNothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.Peace.
Most welcome Mark,
It does seem that many of those controlling the entertainment industry are Zionist-aligned or proponents. You get some great indie documentaries about the issue, but that’s about it.
To be honest, I put a lot (and I mean the lion’s share) of blame on the actions of the Muslims of a couple of generations ago. The Ottomans were not perfect by any means, but there was a unity and they generally kept the peace in that region and combated imperial incursions from France, Britain, etc. The Arab revolts and the intra-Muslim fratricide that followed (at the suggestion and collusion of French, British, etc. with all their promises) that broke up those areas into easily controlled franken-states was the major event (I believe the only exception being the Libyans; the Senussis staying loyal to the end). That is what laid the conditions that allowed the formation of the Zionist state in the first place – they simply took advantage of the situation.
Jews had always been allowed to migrate into the Levant under Muslim rule (often being kicked out of Europe) and a good portion of that land was legally owned by Jews – no reason that would have stopped suddenly after a near 14 century-long policy. The Ottomans (and Muslims in general) were only opposed to ceding them sovereignty. Why wouldn’t they be – they had spilled so much of their own blood wresting control of it from Byzantium and then the Latins and even Mongols over centuries.
In hindsight, I cannot disagree with their prescience. The birth of the state of Israel (and all the events that followed) may yet turn out to be one of the worst disasters for the people of that area including the ancient Jewish communities that were scattered across the Middle East.
Peace.
Hey Talha great comment.
I don't have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.
I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?
Hey Sam,
No problem – I think we have to be honest – if you replaced every Jew in government with, say someone from Indian/Hindu descent, that would obviously shift our foreign policy and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how it would change.
I think Jews have reached their position through aptitude and work and probably a little help from tribal nepotism (once a certain threshold is reached) – again, is this unique to Jews – I doubt it. I am a manager for an IT team so I am part of the hiring process – none of the people working under me are Muslim, but if I get an open position, I let people that I know hear about it – and many of my contacts are naturally Muslim. I wouldn’t hire an idiot Muslim on my team because I consider it a trust from my company on me to hire the best person for the job (if it’s a lesbian Thai, so be it) – but Muslims would have a slight advantage just by being the first to hear about it. Jews have been known to be hard workers and intelligent among the Muslims. The Sultan Beyazid II who sent the Ottoman navy to help transport Jews (expelled from Spain) into Ottoman lands publicly stated that King Ferdinand was a fool to rid himself of such a useful group of people.
And I doubt the Moroccan royals would keep Jews as senior advisers simply for SJW signalling purposes:
http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amity
Nothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.
Peace.
As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S. Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories. I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition
How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov't. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it's just tribe or compliant goyem.
Mark, I admire how you recognize the virtue of one's being a "gentleman." This makes me a tad ashamed to be stooping to the level of mockery when it comes to my addressing Sam Shama's extraordinarily shady comments.
One matter? As you know, "uniquely powerful" Zionist advocates did much more than "contaminate nearly every aspect of American culture."
They succeeded in contaminating the unified INTERNATIONAL political & scientific culture that was tasked with prohibiting Israel from getting nuclear weapons. This might be "old hat" for you, Mark, but please consider the article, below?
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb547-Kennedy-Dimona-and-the-Nuclear-Proliferation-Problem-1961-1962/
Thank you.
Yes indeed, and every comment you make makes a mockery of some simple verifiable fact or another; in addition to dripping with jealousy.
http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amityNothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.Peace.
Hey Talha,
As usual, I’d expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.
Trouble in the ME – Israel being the epicentre – is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories.
I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that – tough years ahead for all.
P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay’s efforts are in the same great tradition
I honestly don't know what the solution is, but it isn't what is currently going on. I will readily admit - some of the statements I have heard from Palestinians scare the hell out of me and I honestly pray to God that those people never take control of that land. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said it far better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xkfZfKXgU
It is a blessed area, genocide and bloodshed are to be avoided there even more than other areas by all sides. Muslims were constantly reversing the bans that would be put on Jews from residing in Jerusalem whether it was the Byzantines, the Latins, etc.
"It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to 'return' to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe 'learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey' and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, 'who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.' This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas."
Israel's Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective
Even if it comes to war (which I pray it doesn't), any attempt to reverse the policies of our predecessors (who were far more knowledgeable and pious than we are) and "rid the land of Jews" is utterly contemptible and should be denounced.
What I can't stand - more than anything else from the rabid Zionists - is that they know this history. And yet many of them fund the foundations and are part of stoking the fires against Muslims and Islam with seriously vile lies. The strategy is reprehensible and extremely short-sighted and will only raise the animosity.
Peace.
Hollywood Jews also have a good relationship with Wall Street! Treasury nominee Steven Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs denizen, has made money by investing in the production of the blockbuster New World Order film, "An American Hero."
I am very upset with you though! You blew "Dunkin' Donuts Radical" covert cover front. Oh hell. We infiltrated William Rosenberg's donut-operation on S. Washington Street and posed as something more than (goy) moving company personnel! Our Fearless Leader got such a good idea from how the dancing Israelis set up their "Urban Moving Systems" front operation in Weehawken, New Jersey.
(Note: Regrets to all that the identity of "Fearless Leader" must remain secret One hint though? He's a former-Money Changer who fled from his high seat in the D.C. Temple which he once thought was actually American)
Bah, thanks to you -- Sam the Sham -- now Dunkin' Donuts Radicals must find another front. Too bad, and to my knowledge, Carrier does not have a local donut consumption subsidiary. .
http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amityNothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.Peace.
You and your little stories, Talha, and your benign example of letting your friends know about a job opening! You say, “….probably a little help from tribal nepotism…” Ha! Afraid to go past the obvious?
How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov’t. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it’s just tribe or compliant goyem.
Live and learn I suppose.
http://www.ummaclinic.org/our-history/If I ask that people look past the idiot/extremist Muslims and distinguish the rest of us from them and ask them to look at Islamic doctrine objectively, then I have to return the favor to others - otherwise I am a hypocrite.
"O you who believe, why do you say that which you do not do? Most odious in the sight of God is that you say that which you do not do." 61:2-3I have no love for Zionism or the disproportionate hold it has on the levers of power or how it uses my tax money to destroy the lives of innocents, yet I do want what is ultimately best and most just for all the people of that region.Peace.*"Two men from my tribe and I entered upon the Prophet. One of the two men said to the Prophet, 'O Allah's Apostle! Appoint me as a governor,' and so did the second. The Prophet said, 'We do not assign the authority of ruling to those who ask for it, nor to those who are keen to have it.'" - reported in Bukhari
As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S. Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories. I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition
Lol wut? 13% of the US population are blacks, a group that has repeatedly demonstrated inability to live with other groups everywhere they go. 15% of the US population are Hispanics, who hate white people and hate the United States itself. Then you have a whole bunch of smaller minority groups that also hate white people but at the same time don’t really care for blacks and latinos either.
How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov't. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it's just tribe or compliant goyem.
We all have our own little idiosyncratic tales, Robin; but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn’t have expected to possess.
Live and learn I suppose.
As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S. Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories. I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition
Hey Sam,
I honestly don’t know what the solution is, but it isn’t what is currently going on. I will readily admit – some of the statements I have heard from Palestinians scare the hell out of me and I honestly pray to God that those people never take control of that land. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said it far better than I can:
It is a blessed area, genocide and bloodshed are to be avoided there even more than other areas by all sides. Muslims were constantly reversing the bans that would be put on Jews from residing in Jerusalem whether it was the Byzantines, the Latins, etc.
“It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
Israel’s Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective
Even if it comes to war (which I pray it doesn’t), any attempt to reverse the policies of our predecessors (who were far more knowledgeable and pious than we are) and “rid the land of Jews” is utterly contemptible and should be denounced.
What I can’t stand – more than anything else from the rabid Zionists – is that they know this history. And yet many of them fund the foundations and are part of stoking the fires against Muslims and Islam with seriously vile lies. The strategy is reprehensible and extremely short-sighted and will only raise the animosity.
Peace.
Fine. What do you suggest?
2. End all welfare to blacks except for free birth control. Get their numbers under 10% of the population. Jail or kill all of their leaders.
3. End all other non white immigration
How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov't. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it's just tribe or compliant goyem.
Hey RobinG,
I’m sure that has happened. I know of a friend who is a radiologist that also mentioned that the tribe took over key positions in his hospital and made it hostile for others – I don’t doubt that it happens in other places. And it likely happens more in government since government tends to be a magnet for narcissists and sociopaths – so obviously the Jews going into government are going to be the ones that tend to be the most Machiavellian. Many of the Muslims vying to get into government positions scare me as well*.
There are some Jews that are absolute jerks while there are some Jews who are egalitarian, like the ones that hired me in previous positions and treated me quite well and quite fairly. I also know there were key Jewish doctors involved in founding and supporting an obviously Muslim-run charity clinic that I used to volunteer at in South Central (those are good friends of mine in that picture):
http://www.ummaclinic.org/our-history/
If I ask that people look past the idiot/extremist Muslims and distinguish the rest of us from them and ask them to look at Islamic doctrine objectively, then I have to return the favor to others – otherwise I am a hypocrite.
“O you who believe, why do you say that which you do not do? Most odious in the sight of God is that you say that which you do not do.” 61:2-3
I have no love for Zionism or the disproportionate hold it has on the levers of power or how it uses my tax money to destroy the lives of innocents, yet I do want what is ultimately best and most just for all the people of that region.
Peace.
*”Two men from my tribe and I entered upon the Prophet. One of the two men said to the Prophet, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Appoint me as a governor,’ and so did the second. The Prophet said, ‘We do not assign the authority of ruling to those who ask for it, nor to those who are keen to have it.’” – reported in Bukhari
Jewish takeover and administration – it’s Greasy – remember?
As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S. Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories. I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition
Sam the Sham,
Hollywood Jews also have a good relationship with Wall Street! Treasury nominee Steven Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs denizen, has made money by investing in the production of the blockbuster New World Order film, “An American Hero.”
I am very upset with you though! You blew “Dunkin’ Donuts Radical” covert cover front. Oh hell. We infiltrated William Rosenberg’s donut-operation on S. Washington Street and posed as something more than (goy) moving company personnel! Our Fearless Leader got such a good idea from how the dancing Israelis set up their “Urban Moving Systems” front operation in Weehawken, New Jersey.
(Note: Regrets to all that the identity of “Fearless Leader” must remain secret One hint though? He’s a former-Money Changer who fled from his high seat in the D.C. Temple which he once thought was actually American)
Bah, thanks to you — Sam the Sham — now Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals must find another front. Too bad, and to my knowledge, Carrier does not have a local donut consumption subsidiary. .
1. Complete destruction of the Hispanic ethnicity in the United States. Ban all immigration from Hispanic countries, ban all Hispanic media and ban bilingual education. Deport as many Hispanics as possible. Import more white people to reverse the demographic damage of the last 50 years.
2. End all welfare to blacks except for free birth control. Get their numbers under 10% of the population. Jail or kill all of their leaders.
3. End all other non white immigration
I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.
A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.
As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.
How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.”
Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·
How am I doing geo?
Here is Sam's original query:So Sam was calling into question Mark's assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.
Let's just get it straight from the horse's mouth:
Live and learn I suppose.
Isn’t that exactly what Talha did — make unwarranted generalizations from particular instances — in comment 168, so fulsomely endorsed by those whose feathers it stroked but which is, imho, misguided, poorly argued and counterproductive.
2. End all welfare to blacks except for free birth control. Get their numbers under 10% of the population. Jail or kill all of their leaders.
3. End all other non white immigration
Good ideas, Greasy Williams.
I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.
A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.
As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump’s project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.
I guess you'll have to find a new group to blame everything on.
SolontoCroesus,
Our Dunkins' Donuts Radicals (home study) Book-of-the-Month includes Orwell's Collection of Essays and Letters. Tonight I am on the essay titled "Catastrophic Gradualism." Following is what Orwell wrote:
"The motives of those English intellectuals who support the Russian dictatorship are, I think, different from what they publicly admit, but it is logical to condone tyranny and massacre if one assumes that progress is inevitable."
I assume you recall when Hillary spoke to Wall Street for quite a significant fee, and how after being embarrassed by Trump, she admitted to the political necessity of having both a public and private view point?
Catastrophic crime in American government begets more catastrophic crime. One Zionist/U.S. president's crooked Treasury Department swamp is "drained" and is replaced by another. The "rigged" Wall Street Tower of Babel endlessly rises and falls, until -- SPLAT -- and the Forbidden City Tower of Babel opens for business.
Such is "progress" for committed Zionists, and the only RETURN for average Americans is the non-regulated advisory to Carrier employees, "lift with your knees and not with your back!"
LIES, LIES, and scoundrels keep running things. Alas, we're in for quite an Apprentice f#@ucking, SolontoCroessus.
I appreciate your keeping faith though... Thank you.
I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.
A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.
As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.
You don’t need to get rid of American Jews, they are already getting rid of themselves. In 50 years there won’t be any left. No need to make any special effort.
I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.
(Just as an afterthought, mind you -- both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that "Jews are the new elites in USA." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.
Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)
No, he assuredly did not. He spoke of his own principles which even under those fastidious standards unavoidably leads to minor biases, something which is plausible for any group at all. Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.
I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.
A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.
As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.
It’d be even better to extend them to the Italian mafia.
Very interesting! Let's open up diplomatic relations?
Do you happen to know what division of the "Italian mafia" Jacob Leon Rubinstein belonged to?
Please let me know? Thank you.
I guess you'll have to find a new group to blame everything on.
Not I, Greasy; YOU will have to find a new group to blame everything on, inasmuch as Hispanics and Blacks will be eliminated from the American landscape. Your recommendation that they be eradicated from the USA implies that you believe that they they are the groups responsible for the present mess the USA is experiencing.
(Just as an afterthought, mind you — both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that “Jews are the new elites in USA.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.
Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)
2nd of all, I didn't advocate getting rid of blacks. I said that their numbers should be reduced to a more manageable level of ~8% of the population. We can't give the black community the attention it needs when it's numbers are so high.
Thirdly, I advocated that Hispanics be assimilated into the white majority. Hispanic culture in America needs to be destroyed but the bulk of Hispanic Americans can be allowed to remain.
Fourthly, unlike blacks and hispanics, American Jews are dying out. All I am advocating is that the government implement policies so that the same thing happens to blacks and latinos.
I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.
A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.
As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.
“Win-win.”
SolontoCroesus,
Our Dunkins’ Donuts Radicals (home study) Book-of-the-Month includes Orwell’s Collection of Essays and Letters. Tonight I am on the essay titled “Catastrophic Gradualism.” Following is what Orwell wrote:
“The motives of those English intellectuals who support the Russian dictatorship are, I think, different from what they publicly admit, but it is logical to condone tyranny and massacre if one assumes that progress is inevitable.”
I assume you recall when Hillary spoke to Wall Street for quite a significant fee, and how after being embarrassed by Trump, she admitted to the political necessity of having both a public and private view point?
Catastrophic crime in American government begets more catastrophic crime. One Zionist/U.S. president’s crooked Treasury Department swamp is “drained” and is replaced by another. The “rigged” Wall Street Tower of Babel endlessly rises and falls, until — SPLAT — and the Forbidden City Tower of Babel opens for business.
Such is “progress” for committed Zionists, and the only RETURN for average Americans is the non-regulated advisory to Carrier employees, “lift with your knees and not with your back!”
LIES, LIES, and scoundrels keep running things. Alas, we’re in for quite an Apprentice f#@ucking, SolontoCroessus.
I appreciate your keeping faith though… Thank you.
you just can’t resist the cheap shot, can you, Sam.
Anyway believe what you want but the basic things do not change, which is precisely why prices came crashing in after the spring peak in 2008 whereas the build up to 2008 was long and sustained.
No argument there, Sam. So, I guess it comes down to this: what are crude oil trading volumes on the spot market vs the futures market?
Care to hazard a guess?
(Just as an afterthought, mind you -- both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that "Jews are the new elites in USA." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.
Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)
Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I’m not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.
2nd of all, I didn’t advocate getting rid of blacks. I said that their numbers should be reduced to a more manageable level of ~8% of the population. We can’t give the black community the attention it needs when it’s numbers are so high.
Thirdly, I advocated that Hispanics be assimilated into the white majority. Hispanic culture in America needs to be destroyed but the bulk of Hispanic Americans can be allowed to remain.
Fourthly, unlike blacks and hispanics, American Jews are dying out. All I am advocating is that the government implement policies so that the same thing happens to blacks and latinos.
No it's not a fact.
Name the Blacks or Hispanics who are bloating the defense budget, and embroiling USA in foreign wars, and making the decisions that have brought death and instability to millions in foreign countries.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who crafted the Affordable Care Act.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who struck down Glass-Steagal.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who devised the central banking system.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who run the Federal Reserve.
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Now, name the Jews who pick up your garbage in the back alley every week, and who plow the snow; who dig the ditches when the water main fails in freezing weather.
I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.”
Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·
How am I doing geo?
I won’t state the obvious except to say that I need to brush up on my rusty jewish cryptology
Hey Sam the Sham,
Very interesting! Let’s open up diplomatic relations?
Do you happen to know what division of the “Italian mafia” Jacob Leon Rubinstein belonged to?
Please let me know? Thank you.
I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.”
Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·
How am I doing geo?
Not well.
Here is Sam’s original query:
So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.
Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:
No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.
See how easy it is.
Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:
This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.
Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.
http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amityNothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.Peace.
Talha,
My experience in USA is that Anglo-Protestants (and Catholics) deliberately erect barriers to nepotism in their corporations and professional firms.
Furthermore, Anglo-Protestants and Catholics view humility and self-abnegation as virtues; perhaps that is true also of Islam (I have no knowledge on those attitudes in Islam).
It is my belief that Jews do not view humility and self-abnegation as virtues, but that some Jewish leaders have played upon those characteristics in non-Jews to gain advantages for Jews. The constant claims of “antisemitism” or that “Jews are smarter” or “harder working” or “perpetual victims” can only work if the group against whom the charges are leveled accepts the charge as real and true and humbly apologizes for such alleged behavior, whether real or illusory; or feels guilty about such real or illusory or contrived behavior, to the extent that the group that makes the bogus claim is able to extort benefits and privileges far beyond any that are merited.
“Intelligence” and “hard work” are relative: when non-Jews constantly concede to Jews superior intelligence and superior capacity for hard work, etc., due not to the lesser innate intelligence and industriousness of non-Jews but to the learned attitude of non-Jews to view humility and self-abnegation as a virtue, then non-Jews perpetuate a vicious cycle that will only end badly for both non-Jews and Jews. On the other hand, when non-Jews or, Zeus forbid, Black persons or Hispanics — or Italians — demonstrate their individual and collective intelligence, or demand recognition of their contributions to the success of a nation or a project, and thereby resist being demeaned, then the gloves come off and the Sam Shamas of the world spew the invective we have come to expect from them. So predictable.
Protestant and Catholic religious leaders enforce these attitudes of humility and ethnic inferiority in non-Jews, and as Sam Shama gave evidence, so do Jews: Sam could not resist the inclination to insult Italians — could not pass up the opportunity to put an Italian in his place, which is, in Sam’s weltanschauung, one-down.
That’s why I think your analysis in #167 is unfortunate and misguided: As Sam displayed in his response, he agrees with you — that lets his tribe off the hook: the culpability is with Muslims, or Arabs, or Palestinians, but not with Jews. I think it’s a cultural characteristic that should be understood and worked around, but not pandered to.
Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?
P.S. Have you tried your hand at writing plays in soliloquy form; It strikes me that you are just the type that enjoys talking to himself. :-)
"Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled....During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded."
https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf"Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
'In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological...It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.'"
Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle AgesSome may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
"King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them...In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear."
http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-pI think the problem is that Israel - is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook - it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.Muslims don't have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity - a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top - he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn't work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn't have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip. And I don't think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic - now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that's a different story.As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
"And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere." 8:45"O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?" 4:144This is where muhasaba comes in - one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.Peace.
(Just as an afterthought, mind you -- both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that "Jews are the new elites in USA." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.
Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)
Who are Phil Weiss and Jane Eisner and why should we know or care what they say?
“Solitary, specific” “unprofessional” only time it ever happened. Not an example of a broader phenomenon but a “solitary, specific, unprofessional” event.
Stuart Levey did not pass along his job at Treasury to his former law partner, Daniel Cohen, when Levey left to take a position at HSBC?
Goldman Sachs did not extend special favors to Marc Mezvinsky?
Jane Harmon does not use her position as director of the Wilson Center to use taxpayer dollars to the (disproportionate) benefit of Jewish speakers and ideologues?
Three more “solitary, specific” examples or more-or-less “unprofessional” behaviors that nevertheless gave to the Jewish collective benefits and advantages not enjoyed by the non-Jews who pay for them.
She is also a possible traitor to US: she was wiretapped by FBI/NSA trying to obstruct justice in the case of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman — two former top AIPAC officials charged with espionage.
Unfortunately and inexplicably charges against Rosen and Weissman, which was carefully built over 5 years, were dropped.
Strange.
The fact Harman was appointed director of (Woodrow) Wilson Center is a sick joke: Wilson was a champion of indigenous peoples of Asia Minor subjugated and nearly exterminated during WW1 by nomad Turk invaders from Uyguristan.
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{Franklin, a former United States Department of Defense employee, pleaded guilty to several espionage-related charges and was sentenced in January 2006 to nearly 13 years of prison, which was later reduced to ten months house arrest. Franklin passed information to AIPAC policy director Steven Rosen and AIPAC senior Iran analyst Keith Weissman, who later were fired by AIPAC. They were later indicted for illegally conspiring to gather and disclose classified national security information to Israel.} (from Wiki)
Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
John Opel (1981–1985)
John F. Akers (1985–1993)
Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)
Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo's of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.
Sorry you are right I should’ve resisted the urge; still, I think you’d cherish the utopia you mentioned at the end. Just give it a try
Here is Sam's original query:So Sam was calling into question Mark's assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.
Let's just get it straight from the horse's mouth:
Geo, correctly defined that flower should be classified as nocturnal and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen’s statement – which you may have taken out of context. Or, did you decrypt his English?
Care to hazard a guess?
Futures volumes are in notional terms, which for all derivatives are typically multiples higher than the underlying index/commodity/stock. It’s basically the nature of any contract which allows for speculation. However, speculation will never change fundamentals. Nothing to see there Geo.
Plenty to see there, Sam.
2nd of all, I didn't advocate getting rid of blacks. I said that their numbers should be reduced to a more manageable level of ~8% of the population. We can't give the black community the attention it needs when it's numbers are so high.
Thirdly, I advocated that Hispanics be assimilated into the white majority. Hispanic culture in America needs to be destroyed but the bulk of Hispanic Americans can be allowed to remain.
Fourthly, unlike blacks and hispanics, American Jews are dying out. All I am advocating is that the government implement policies so that the same thing happens to blacks and latinos.
That is just a fact.
No it’s not a fact.
Name the Blacks or Hispanics who are bloating the defense budget, and embroiling USA in foreign wars, and making the decisions that have brought death and instability to millions in foreign countries.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who crafted the Affordable Care Act.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who struck down Glass-Steagal.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who devised the central banking system.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who run the Federal Reserve.
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Now, name the Jews who pick up your garbage in the back alley every week, and who plow the snow; who dig the ditches when the water main fails in freezing weather.
A post speckled with nonsense. In my recent reply to Talha – if you read it – I marked jews, the extremists, with the same denouncement I’d reserve for any and all miscreants irrespective of their ethnicity or religion. You simply, and as usual, chose to ignore my stand.
Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.
Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?
P.S. Have you tried your hand at writing plays in soliloquy form; It strikes me that you are just the type that enjoys talking to himself.
No it's not a fact.
Name the Blacks or Hispanics who are bloating the defense budget, and embroiling USA in foreign wars, and making the decisions that have brought death and instability to millions in foreign countries.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who crafted the Affordable Care Act.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who struck down Glass-Steagal.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who devised the central banking system.
Name the Blacks and Hispanics who run the Federal Reserve.
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Now, name the Jews who pick up your garbage in the back alley every week, and who plow the snow; who dig the ditches when the water main fails in freezing weather.
In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people. Why? Because there were no hispanics and the blacks were kept under control.
Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.
Jane Harman is a vile anti-American, anti-Christian Turkophile Armenian Genocide denialist filth.
She is also a possible traitor to US: she was wiretapped by FBI/NSA trying to obstruct justice in the case of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman — two former top AIPAC officials charged with espionage.
Unfortunately and inexplicably charges against Rosen and Weissman, which was carefully built over 5 years, were dropped.
Strange.
The fact Harman was appointed director of (Woodrow) Wilson Center is a sick joke: Wilson was a champion of indigenous peoples of Asia Minor subjugated and nearly exterminated during WW1 by nomad Turk invaders from Uyguristan.
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{Franklin, a former United States Department of Defense employee, pleaded guilty to several espionage-related charges and was sentenced in January 2006 to nearly 13 years of prison, which was later reduced to ten months house arrest. Franklin passed information to AIPAC policy director Steven Rosen and AIPAC senior Iran analyst Keith Weissman, who later were fired by AIPAC. They were later indicted for illegally conspiring to gather and disclose classified national security information to Israel.} (from Wiki)
Thomas J. Watson (1914–1956)
Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
John Opel (1981–1985)
John F. Akers (1985–1993)
Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)
Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo’s of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.
Jewish Virtual Library published this bit of Black's attack on IBM
(caution: Black's name should have been purple):Consider this single, solitary statement of Black's:In another of Black's turgid publications he quotes from Rabbi Stephen Wise's autobiography, that within 2 weeks of Hitler's appointment as chancellor, Louis Brandeis directed that
"all . . . 587,000 Jews must leave Germany."And in his book on Nazism and zionism, Francis Nicosia details how zionists interacted with the Third Reich to assist German Jews to comply with Brandeis's directive. According to Nicosia:Slam dunk: Black is lying when he writes that "A central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews."
What else has Edwin Black (and his cohort of holocaust profiteers) lied about?
If you want to demonstrate, convincingly, your willingness to "denounce extremist miscreants of whatever ethnicity or religion, including Jews," no better start could be made than to deploy the full power of Jewish media to debunk the holocaust narrative and recant the many vicious lies that Jewish authors such as Edwin Black (and David Engel, whose bizarre theories conflict with Black's but nevertheless are mainstream -- Engel's holocaust nonsense was the basis of the holocaust museum's reaction to Richard Spencer's conference) and the Jewish Virtual Library have published about Germany and the Third Reich.I'd bet my best soliloquy you won't do it.
PS re "Your Jesus . . ." -- I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.
Speculation may not change fundamentals, but it sure does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.
Plenty to see there, Sam.
I don’t believe Mark’s assertion was that organized Jewry speaks cryptically, Sam. His assertion was that they act cryptically… like a night flower, operating furtively in the shadows.
Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
John Opel (1981–1985)
John F. Akers (1985–1993)
Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)
Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo's of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.
btw I am a huge fan of Ginny Rometty; she’d make a terrific POTUS
Very interesting! Let's open up diplomatic relations?
Do you happen to know what division of the "Italian mafia" Jacob Leon Rubinstein belonged to?
Please let me know? Thank you.
All jews as you know, have North Italian but likely not Sicilian genes. However, many of us don’t favour Italian kitsch.
Plenty to see there, Sam.
[does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.]
You realise you simply agreed with me. Point is, spot coomodity crude depends on the fundamentals, and as I said earlier futures, which are derivatives trade in multiple of notionals of the underlying.
Enough for me. Calling it a night.
"In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."
If by the word "market" you meant only the physical component of the crude oil market, then I apologize for misunderstanding.
Given this clarification and given the trading volumes associated with each of these components (physical and financial) of the crude oil market, would you agree that this reformulated statement:
"In the context of Iran and the trillion dollar financial market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."
is false?
[ SolontoCroesus]
Racial patronage is probably the most effective form of racism (in any society that will allow it).
And A.H., the 20th century’s most prominent racist, gave a useful summary of how it works:
“In the old Austria, nothing could be done without patronage. That’s partly explained by the fact that nine million Germans were in fact rulers, in virtue of an unwritten law, of fifty million non-Germans. This German ruling class took strict care that places should always be found for Germans. For them this was the only method of maintaining themselves in this privileged situation. The Balts of German origin behaved in the same way towards the Slav population.”
Hitler’s Table Talk. Conversation Nº 109, 15th January 1942
And an added kicker is the simultaneously proclamation of the need for societal “diversity” and “multiculturalism” which serves to breaks down unity among non-favored races.
US Jews have heavily operate the system for years with prominent examples such as Elena Kagan (accelerated to the Supreme Court and once there, returning the favor), or Lawrence Summers, with parts of government such as the FED or Treasury becoming Jewish preserves, laughably badly constituted to defend the public against special interests.
Most countries such as China, Japan or Israel don’t allow racial patronage (apart from their own), so they would never get a 2% minority of Anglo Christians dominating their financial sector, media and government and directing them to finance and fight England’s wars (although the British did manage this for a while with India, their richest Imperial possession).
Why?
Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.
Good point but it never gets any traction among Protestants. For support E. Michael Jones.
Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
John Opel (1981–1985)
John F. Akers (1985–1993)
Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)
Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo's of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.
What’s your point?
That non-Jews founded and continue to lead major American corporations that have contributed mightily to the advancement of US and world prosperity?
Your Edwin Black has made a career out of smearing the names and reputations of such Americans and the corporations they formed, and using his slanders to extort large revenue streams to the Jewish community.
Jewish Virtual Library published this bit of Black’s attack on IBM
(caution: Black’s name should have been purple):
Consider this single, solitary statement of Black’s:
In another of Black’s turgid publications he quotes from Rabbi Stephen Wise’s autobiography, that within 2 weeks of Hitler’s appointment as chancellor, Louis Brandeis directed that
“all . . . 587,000 Jews must leave Germany.”
And in his book on Nazism and zionism, Francis Nicosia details how zionists interacted with the Third Reich to assist German Jews to comply with Brandeis’s directive. According to Nicosia:
Slam dunk: Black is lying when he writes that “A central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany’s 600,000 Jews.”
What else has Edwin Black (and his cohort of holocaust profiteers) lied about?
If you want to demonstrate, convincingly, your willingness to “denounce extremist miscreants of whatever ethnicity or religion, including Jews,” no better start could be made than to deploy the full power of Jewish media to debunk the holocaust narrative and recant the many vicious lies that Jewish authors such as Edwin Black (and David Engel, whose bizarre theories conflict with Black’s but nevertheless are mainstream — Engel’s holocaust nonsense was the basis of the holocaust museum’s reaction to Richard Spencer’s conference) and the Jewish Virtual Library have published about Germany and the Third Reich.
I’d bet my best soliloquy you won’t do it.
PS re “Your Jesus . . .” — I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.
I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Donkin Donut Radicals easy enough.
It would have been very helpful if you identify the We who will dispatch American Radicals Easy enough when the time comes.
Since you haven’t revealed the counter revolutionarys, I suspect the WE are members of the fifth column dual Israeli citizens in America. I suspect the WE are members of the international Zionist criminal terrorist network who were behind the King David Holtel false flag terrorist attack, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Iraq war and the 911 terrorist attack on Americans.
See attached ..Israel did 911
Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.
When the next nationalistic revolution comes, the Protocol’s defense plan might not be able to pull the Chosen Internationalist’s chestnuts out of the fire.
Why? The corrupt Globalist’s so called democracies are marching towards nationalism.
Dunkin Donuts radicals are springing up all over the world. Nationalism is going global.
In the mean time, give me a bagel with a smear….. Thank you.
Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic 'forewarnings': the year is 2016.
Sam, let’s go back to what you initially wrote that sparked this exchange in the first place:
“In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”
If by the word “market” you meant only the physical component of the crude oil market, then I apologize for misunderstanding.
Given this clarification and given the trading volumes associated with each of these components (physical and financial) of the crude oil market, would you agree that this reformulated statement:
“In the context of Iran and the trillion dollar financial market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”
is false?
not the other way round and Iran's actual output did not decline but in fact rose and the speculative futures bubble when it met the global spot production fell precipitously after the spring.
Speculators speculate for all sorts of reasons, including the prospect of war. As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road......all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.
Here is Sam's original query:So Sam was calling into question Mark's assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.
Let's just get it straight from the horse's mouth:
So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion
No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn’t questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark’s use of the word contaminate.
See how easy it is.
Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:
This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam’s a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn’t be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can’t be the explanation.
Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he’s sworn in.
Actually, Geokat hasn't found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green's mind. Even if he had:
cryptic != nocturnal
Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?
P.S. Have you tried your hand at writing plays in soliloquy form; It strikes me that you are just the type that enjoys talking to himself. :-)
Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?
Padre Paul Gottfried
He said it much more articulately than I did; is what Gottfried said “nonsense?”
Jewish Virtual Library published this bit of Black's attack on IBM
(caution: Black's name should have been purple):Consider this single, solitary statement of Black's:In another of Black's turgid publications he quotes from Rabbi Stephen Wise's autobiography, that within 2 weeks of Hitler's appointment as chancellor, Louis Brandeis directed that
"all . . . 587,000 Jews must leave Germany."And in his book on Nazism and zionism, Francis Nicosia details how zionists interacted with the Third Reich to assist German Jews to comply with Brandeis's directive. According to Nicosia:Slam dunk: Black is lying when he writes that "A central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews."
What else has Edwin Black (and his cohort of holocaust profiteers) lied about?
If you want to demonstrate, convincingly, your willingness to "denounce extremist miscreants of whatever ethnicity or religion, including Jews," no better start could be made than to deploy the full power of Jewish media to debunk the holocaust narrative and recant the many vicious lies that Jewish authors such as Edwin Black (and David Engel, whose bizarre theories conflict with Black's but nevertheless are mainstream -- Engel's holocaust nonsense was the basis of the holocaust museum's reaction to Richard Spencer's conference) and the Jewish Virtual Library have published about Germany and the Third Reich.I'd bet my best soliloquy you won't do it.
PS re "Your Jesus . . ." -- I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.
The very same as your own. Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society; and they don’t require your, nor any other self-appointed door-keeper’s approval to engage in the industry of their choice. So save your breath. Or not. Yours is a view which find’s little purchase in this country.
Yes, I am not in the mood for your bait, but not for the reasons you imagine. Another time [I am reading up on German armaments build-up history during the inter-war period]
Yet, as Prof. Robert Weiner argues in his lectures on "The Long 19th Century," Poland was unprepared to participate in the industrial and democratizing revolutions emerging in Britain and Germany.The inavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state, developed by non-Jews, as to "Jewish work, aptitude, and qualifications."In Muller's lectures he explains that "Jews see or create opportunities to engage in entrepreneurial activities, and Jews have the ability to recognize when an enterprise (or state) is failing, whereupon Jews abandon the enterprise, cut their losses and move on to greener pastures." In other words, unlike Iranians or Germans, for example, the extended commitment of Jews is not to the land, or to the people and culture, but to the opportunity to take advantage of pre-existing institutions and resources to develop economic/financial benefits for the Jewish community, sometimes to the detriment of, or by exploiting, the native people and culture. When the natives resist Jewish exploitation of their institutions, Jews punish them economically or by extreme violence. When opportunities dry up or a given host country is played out, Jews leave for more fruitful arenas. Jews left Germany in Exodus-style: they stole treasure, destroyed leadership, destroyed the heritage, and destroyed the next generation of the German people. Jews maintain tight control over the cognitive map of the German people through psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda.Why shouldn't the American people be concerned that a similar behavior will be carried out against them and their culture and economy, and isn't it the obligation of the government of the American people to defend against such threats to their long-term viability?
No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.
See how easy it is.
Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:
This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.
Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.
Hi Iffen,
Actually, Geokat hasn’t found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green’s mind. Even if he had:
cryptic != nocturnal
"In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."
If by the word "market" you meant only the physical component of the crude oil market, then I apologize for misunderstanding.
Given this clarification and given the trading volumes associated with each of these components (physical and financial) of the crude oil market, would you agree that this reformulated statement:
"In the context of Iran and the trillion dollar financial market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."
is false?
futures = f[spot]
not the other way round and Iran’s actual output did not decline but in fact rose and the speculative futures bubble when it met the global spot production fell precipitously after the spring.
Speculators speculate for all sorts of reasons, including the prospect of war. As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road……all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.
It would have been very helpful if you identify the We who will dispatch American Radicals Easy enough when the time comes.
Since you haven't revealed the counter revolutionarys, I suspect the WE are members of the fifth column dual Israeli citizens in America. I suspect the WE are members of the international Zionist criminal terrorist network who were behind the King David Holtel false flag terrorist attack, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Iraq war and the 911 terrorist attack on Americans.
See attached ..Israel did 911
Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn't go so well.
When the next nationalistic revolution comes, the Protocol's defense plan might not be able to pull the Chosen Internationalist's chestnuts out of the fire.
Why? The corrupt Globalist's so called democracies are marching towards nationalism.
Dunkin Donuts radicals are springing up all over the world. Nationalism is going global.
In the mean time, give me a bagel with a smear..... Thank you.
[Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.]
Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: the year is 2016.
FDR was not about to achieve the same goals short of war.
The mystery is why Jewish leaders felt that German prosperity and stability were a threat to them, to the point that from the very earliest days of the Hitler revolution , Jews set out to undermine the success of the German political and economic recovery.
re the bolded statement: I don’t think that tells the whole story; Yuri Slezkine fills in some of the gaps in your version; Slezkine suggests that Jews, as outsiders, gain advantages in the larger societies by trickery and treachery.
If merely “work, aptitude and qualifications” were the main forces that Jews brought to a given society, and if, as Jerry Muller claims in his books and lectures on how Jews invented capitalism and thrive in the capitalist system, then how does one explain that in the age of industrialization and capitalism in which Germany excelled and prospered, Poland, which was home to the largest contingent of Jews in the world, was a social and economic failure, to the point that Polish Jews fled to Germany to take advantage of the opportunities offered by German industrialization, universities, and prosperity?
Why didn’t “Jewish work, aptitude and qualifications” create the same level of social and economic development in Poland as the German people did in Germany? There were far more Jews in Poland, for almost as long a period as Jews in Germany, and from the very beginning of their sojourn in Poland, Jews in Poland enjoyed dominant positions in the professions, finance, and access to the governing authorities.
Yet, as Prof. Robert Weiner argues in his lectures on “The Long 19th Century,” Poland was unprepared to participate in the industrial and democratizing revolutions emerging in Britain and Germany.
The inavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state, developed by non-Jews, as to “Jewish work, aptitude, and qualifications.”
In Muller’s lectures he explains that “Jews see or create opportunities to engage in entrepreneurial activities, and Jews have the ability to recognize when an enterprise (or state) is failing, whereupon Jews abandon the enterprise, cut their losses and move on to greener pastures.”
In other words, unlike Iranians or Germans, for example, the extended commitment of Jews is not to the land, or to the people and culture, but to the opportunity to take advantage of pre-existing institutions and resources to develop economic/financial benefits for the Jewish community, sometimes to the detriment of, or by exploiting, the native people and culture. When the natives resist Jewish exploitation of their institutions, Jews punish them economically or by extreme violence. When opportunities dry up or a given host country is played out, Jews leave for more fruitful arenas. Jews left Germany in Exodus-style: they stole treasure, destroyed leadership, destroyed the heritage, and destroyed the next generation of the German people. Jews maintain tight control over the cognitive map of the German people through psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda.
Why shouldn’t the American people be concerned that a similar behavior will be carried out against them and their culture and economy, and isn’t it the obligation of the government of the American people to defend against such threats to their long-term viability?
Prior to emancipation (Napoleon) Jews had negligible contribution to science, literature, music and art. And thereafter their contributions were not Jewish in essence. They were in opposition to their culture and not because of it.
Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic 'forewarnings': the year is 2016.
And yet by dint of hard work, organizational effort, and persistence, the NSDAP did come to power, and did move the German people from a demoralized and impoverished state of mass unemployment and political and economic chaos to one of social stability and full employment, without resort to violence.
FDR was not about to achieve the same goals short of war.
The mystery is why Jewish leaders felt that German prosperity and stability were a threat to them, to the point that from the very earliest days of the Hitler revolution , Jews set out to undermine the success of the German political and economic recovery.
Hey S2C,
No doubt Anglo culture is quite unique in the world. Barring nepotism is best for all involved including those who bar it, otherwise your uncle convinces you to hire your idiot cousin who takes your firm down the toilet.
Humility and self-abnegation are indeed Islamic virtues as is muhasaba (self-reflection/taking oneself to account – more on this later). I don’t know enough about Jewish practice to know if your opinion is correct about them not having it.
I am a Muslim having studied our history – my biases on this subject stem from that background. Muslims have an extensive history with Jews in their midst in three continents. This includes everything from Jewish communities in Spain, Persia, Morocco, Egypt, Levant, Yemen, India, Transoxiana, Southern Europe, Anatolia, etc. So you are right that it is difficult to generalize them as ‘hard working’ or ‘intelligent’ all the time. Depending on the time and region, one could find; Jews teaching sciences/medicine to Muslims (or learning from them), cornering the trade in supplying slaves, lending money to them (or being lent to), serving as government advisers, and even simply biding their time in squalor in isolated ghettoes without much going on.
This is one of the best reads on the difference of experience between Ashkenazi Jews and the Jews of the Muslim world:
“Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled….During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded.”
https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf
“Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
‘In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological…It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.’”
Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages
Some may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
“King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them…In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear.”
http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-p
I think the problem is that Israel – is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook – it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.
Muslims don’t have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity – a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top – he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn’t work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.
I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn’t have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip.
And I don’t think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic – now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that’s a different story.
As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
“And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere.” 8:45
“O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?” 4:144
This is where muhasaba comes in – one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.
Peace.
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/09/197277/moroccan-jews-dancing-while-carrying-photo-of-king-mohammed-vi/
Trump never campaigned as anything other than as an ally and friend of Israel. He pledged to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What revolution?
The unscrupulous will always take advantage
Who is unscrupulous?
“Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: The year is 2016.”
Sham the Sham:
Yes — the year is 2016, and to date, neither the Mainstream Media nor U.S. public school teachers are allowed to tell the truth about 9-11 and how snookered Americans are presently governed by a very tight knit and wealthy gang of Jewish Zionists who also proceeded to become mass murderers, much worse than even Abu Nidal, O.B.L., K.S.M., could ever imagine.
Such dirty truths will only appear in relatively banned books, for example, “Solving 9-11″ by Christopher Bollyn which is (to date) probably more despised by Zionists than The Protocols of Zion.
Good thing the internet is around though, because there, web site operators & commenters do not have to salute the official 9-11 lies. In fact, for the time being, even simple “beer hall radicals” present at American Legions and V.F.W. Posts can stomp it, they can expose the lies, in time, they can tear it’s cancerous lungs out. Sooner the better, eh Sam the Sham?
In December 2016, in other words NOW, the standard high school history textbooks will not inform students that 1960s America was ruled and effectively demoralized and dumbed-down by a gang of political thugs who also happened to be mass murderers of what Springsteen called, “The Yellow Man.” (From “Born in the U.S.A.”)
For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics, American public school history teachers still can not say that L.B.J. along with his band of “Best & Brightest” and honored West Point names like Westmoreland, Taylor, & Abrams were complicit in mass murder.
Shameful, eh Sam the Sham? Now Americans are trained to celebrate the Desert Storm turkey shoot of General Schwarzkopf, the ludicrous success of General Petraeus’s “Surge.”
Lionize the “American Sniper” and teach jobless “Call of Duty” kids to be like Chris Kyle!
There’s this old saying I happen to like, “from small things do big things come!” Another oldie-but-goodie is, “The Nazarene became the Sanhedrin’s first anti-semite.” Maybe you’re aware how Jesus preached about faith & truth & how the process starts from a tiny “mustard seed” and develops into something (non-materially) large and beautiful?
So you know, Sam the Sham, our local chapter of “Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals” throws a free Christmas party every year! This year the venue will be Burger King who serves grilled hot dogs. For our “mustard seed” (sacramental) remembrance, all members will put extra mustard on each of their hot dogs! Doubtless such is a small but “serious operation.”
Post scriptum: T0 “Anon”:
Keep the putsch faith, “Anon.” I do not know where you domicile, but by chance, are you interested in joining The Dunkin Donuts Radicals? We might have a chapter where you live! Let me know and I can “copy & paste” D.D.R.’s application on this Unz review thread. Fulfillment of our membership criteria is not all that difficult.
Typically, a prospective Dunkin’ Donuts Radical member must have (to his/her documented credit) submitted at least one (1) angry letter-to-editor of a major Zionist it newspaper, for example, The New York Times. Having a letter published at one of those sheep f&*ucking outfits automatically promotes one as a D.D.R. “1%er;” a prestigious designation similar to that used by the Hell’s Angel’s.
If you can document at minimum ten (10) piercing posts at a web site considered a bacterial promoter of anti-semitism, you’re in! Beyond that, Anon, we must talk more about this and please understand D.D.R. has a reputation to protect, and there’s not much more I can do for you. Good luck and thanks for tuning in!
I hope these links still work.
Articles by Christopher Bollyn about the Crown family and General Dynamics:
“Chicago's Elders of Zion and Obama's War for Profit” by Christopher Bollyn, October 14, 2011
http://www.bollyn.com/chicagos-elders-of-zion-and-obamas-war-for-profit/
“James Crown: The Israeli Connection in the Madoff Scam” by Christopher Bollyn, October 26, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/14419/
“JFK and 9-11: Henry Crown and the Cover-Ups of Our Time” by Christopher Bollyn, November 7, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/jfk-and-9-11-henry-crown-and-the-cover-ups-of-our-time/
“The Crown Family Connections to the Kennedy Assassinations” by Christopher Bollyn, November 21, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/the-crown-family-connections-to-the-kennedy-assassinations/
- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-antidote-for-disinfo#sthash.LHyI7vKQ.dpuf
Sample:
"Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled....During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded."
https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf"Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
'In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological...It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.'"
Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle AgesSome may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
"King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them...In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear."
http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-pI think the problem is that Israel - is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook - it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.Muslims don't have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity - a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top - he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn't work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn't have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip. And I don't think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic - now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that's a different story.As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
"And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere." 8:45"O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?" 4:144This is where muhasaba comes in - one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.Peace.
And I mean – really embrace it – “Oy vey!”
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/09/197277/moroccan-jews-dancing-while-carrying-photo-of-king-mohammed-vi/
"Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled....During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded."
https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf"Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
'In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological...It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.'"
Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle AgesSome may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
"King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them...In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear."
http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-pI think the problem is that Israel - is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook - it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.Muslims don't have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity - a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top - he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn't work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn't have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip. And I don't think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic - now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that's a different story.As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
"And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere." 8:45"O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?" 4:144This is where muhasaba comes in - one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.Peace.
Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place
Trump never campaigned as anything other than as an ally and friend of Israel. He pledged to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What revolution?
The unscrupulous will always take advantage
Who is unscrupulous?
I was being more rhetorical than anything; even the knight of the White ethnic resurgence (as was being talked about by many on this and other forums) is tied to Zionist policies - not that Clinton would have been different.
Unscrupulous are legion; in mentioning the specifics of the founding of Israel...well the Zionists, their colonial backers, various Gulf monarchies, etc. Of course, in their defense, the Ottoman sultan had been deposed to figurehead role at the time and the 'Three Pashas" were busy turning the entire enterprise into a secular nation-state which the traditional Muslims of those lands did not like...as far as they were concerned, the Turks only had legitimacy of control through the institution of the Caliphate and upholding the Shariah...without that, they were simply Turks with guns...
Sigh...it gets complicated...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse
Peace.
FDR was not about to achieve the same goals short of war.
The mystery is why Jewish leaders felt that German prosperity and stability were a threat to them, to the point that from the very earliest days of the Hitler revolution , Jews set out to undermine the success of the German political and economic recovery.
You haven’t the slightest notion how to go about doing economic research. Had you possessed that training you would’ve been disabused of all the claptrap which swirl in your head. Go look up per capita income data from Angus Maddison’s meticulous work [I have not the time nor the inclination to aid you]. Data for Poland [a country established in 1025] goes back to 1849, but the colonial powers go all the way back.
If you follow the unmistakable clues provided by that data, it’ll be apparent that greater the colonial assets of a European nation under analysis, the higher was its per capita income. Industrialisation does not merely appear out of thin air.
Poland over the inter-war period was a nation essentially starting from scratch after gaining independence from Russia, it’s economic struggles were daunting. It was new, with little infrastructure, and devastated by WWI. It then had to fight in the Polish-Soviet War to ensure independence and territorial integrity, all compounded by the global depression. Although Poland made some economic headway before the Nazi German invasion, it largely suffered economically.
Your transparent BS to start with a nauseatingly repeated, pre-formed conclusion, seeks only to find odd narratives which ill-fit even so.
Eric Hobsbaum formulated the theory that the dual revolutions -- French, in 1789 and following, and the industrial revolution of the same era, were the two most significant events in world history since the domestication of agriculture.As you say, Poland missed out and was still playing catch-up over a century later. It's likely that Poland's backwardness was among the causal factors, rather than an outcome, of both world wars.but by all means continue to dazzle us with your PhD level economic analysis, even if you did apply it to the wrong century.
Trump never campaigned as anything other than as an ally and friend of Israel. He pledged to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What revolution?
The unscrupulous will always take advantage
Who is unscrupulous?
Hey iffen,
I was being more rhetorical than anything; even the knight of the White ethnic resurgence (as was being talked about by many on this and other forums) is tied to Zionist policies – not that Clinton would have been different.
Unscrupulous are legion; in mentioning the specifics of the founding of Israel…well the Zionists, their colonial backers, various Gulf monarchies, etc. Of course, in their defense, the Ottoman sultan had been deposed to figurehead role at the time and the ‘Three Pashas” were busy turning the entire enterprise into a secular nation-state which the traditional Muslims of those lands did not like…as far as they were concerned, the Turks only had legitimacy of control through the institution of the Caliphate and upholding the Shariah…without that, they were simply Turks with guns…
Sigh…it gets complicated…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse
Peace.
Sigh…it gets complicated…
I am unsure of how one separates the unscrupulous from the scrupulous when using military force to effect the establishment of political states. Was there the same amount of unscrupulousness involved in the drawing of lines for Syria, Iraq and Lebanon as there was for Israel?
Like I said - it gets complicated - other than a few states, I can't think of one that wasn't established via military power. This may not have mattered in pre-modern times however Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2. Now some can say, well who cares, they won it with grit and steel - fine, let's see how long they can keep it. Long term (really long term), I think the enterprise will get absorbed into the Muslim world again (the how is what I can't figure out; war, collapsing birth rates, Jewish emigration to other countries, merging into a new ME economic bloc like the EU, etc.). The Latin kingdoms held out for much longer.
Again, don't blame Zionists much - if a billion and a half Muslims can't get their act together - well, we can't sit and whine about it can we? I guess we can, but will that change anything? The Prophet (pbuh) told us to be self-reflective in our situations*.
I can't help looking at things through the metaphysical lense, that's how my teachers taught me to read the world. Again, Shaykh Hamza explains it far better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdu_jxjitCw
Peace.
*Note how he never states any moral judgement about the other nations in the following hadith - they are simply background actors - the crux of the matter is the problem within the Muslims themselves and their relationship to God:
"The Prophet (pbuh) said: 'The nations will soon summon one another to attack you as diners inviting others to share their dish.' Someone asked: 'Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?' He replied: 'No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and God will take awe of you away from the hearts of your enemies and cast wahn into your hearts.' Someone asked: 'What is wahn, Messenger of God (pbuh)?' He replied: 'Love of the world and dislike of death.'" - Reported in Abu Dawud
I am unsure of how one separates the unscrupulous from the scrupulous when using military force to effect the establishment of political states. Was there the same amount of unscrupulousness involved in the drawing of lines for Syria, Iraq and Lebanon as there was for Israel?
Hey iffen,
Like I said – it gets complicated – other than a few states, I can’t think of one that wasn’t established via military power. This may not have mattered in pre-modern times however Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2. Now some can say, well who cares, they won it with grit and steel – fine, let’s see how long they can keep it. Long term (really long term), I think the enterprise will get absorbed into the Muslim world again (the how is what I can’t figure out; war, collapsing birth rates, Jewish emigration to other countries, merging into a new ME economic bloc like the EU, etc.). The Latin kingdoms held out for much longer.
Again, don’t blame Zionists much – if a billion and a half Muslims can’t get their act together – well, we can’t sit and whine about it can we? I guess we can, but will that change anything? The Prophet (pbuh) told us to be self-reflective in our situations*.
I can’t help looking at things through the metaphysical lense, that’s how my teachers taught me to read the world. Again, Shaykh Hamza explains it far better than I can:
Peace.
*Note how he never states any moral judgement about the other nations in the following hadith – they are simply background actors – the crux of the matter is the problem within the Muslims themselves and their relationship to God:
“The Prophet (pbuh) said: ‘The nations will soon summon one another to attack you as diners inviting others to share their dish.’ Someone asked: ‘Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?’ He replied: ‘No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and God will take awe of you away from the hearts of your enemies and cast wahn into your hearts.’ Someone asked: ‘What is wahn, Messenger of God (pbuh)?’ He replied: ‘Love of the world and dislike of death.’” – Reported in Abu Dawud
Israel is just as much a product of the lines drawn after WWII as any of the numerous other ones.
Only entity will be doomed is “israel” along with those who supports it and created it, it’s only a matter of time.
Do all the chicks tell you how cute you are when you’re angry?
Stupid, but cute.
iirc the industrial revolution began in the late 18th century.
Eric Hobsbaum formulated the theory that the dual revolutions — French, in 1789 and following, and the industrial revolution of the same era, were the two most significant events in world history since the domestication of agriculture.
As you say, Poland missed out and was still playing catch-up over a century later. It’s likely that Poland’s backwardness was among the causal factors, rather than an outcome, of both world wars.
but by all means continue to dazzle us with your PhD level economic analysis, even if you did apply it to the wrong century.
No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.
See how easy it is.
Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:
This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.
Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.
Oh, excuse me iffen for I’m just a Dumb Goy. So Sam was just interested in how Mark knew Jews were cryptic, not whether they were, in fact, cryptic.
The ironic thing is is that my response answered this question as well – i.e., Mark knew that Jews were cryptic because Steve Rosen disclosed this information when he admitted that a lobby is like a night flower. All Mark and I had to do was an Internet search… and this mystery was solved.
See how easy it is?
Actually, Geokat hasn't found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green's mind. Even if he had:
cryptic != nocturnal
While these terms may not be equal, they are related:
cryptic = early 17th century: from late Latin crypticus, from Greek kruptikos, from kruptos ‘hidden.’ .
nocturnal = from Latin nocturnus “belonging to the night,” from nox (genitive noctis) “night,” cognate with Old English neaht (see night) + -urnus, suffix forming adjectives of time. Nox cognates include Ancient Greek νύξ (núx), Sanskrit नक्ति (nákti), Old English niht (English night) and Proto-Slavic *noťь.
Cryptic means something that is hidden… and it is usually easy to hide things in the dark (nocturnal).
See my response to iffen (#233 or later) for the relevant thing I found. And I didn’t need to be a mind reader to do it.
I don't read minds either; I just read the words that are used. They can usually tell you everything you need to know.
Yes. Many words are related but do keep stretching the limits of credibility with implausible choices.
not the other way round and Iran's actual output did not decline but in fact rose and the speculative futures bubble when it met the global spot production fell precipitously after the spring.
Speculators speculate for all sorts of reasons, including the prospect of war. As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road......all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.
It appears we’ve come full-circle, Sam:
iffen and Sam the Sham are staggering (full circle) on-the-ropes.
One matter though? Someone in their clan should talk to them about this current blow out, because even I (!) am getting a little embarrassed at how they continue to persist.
iffen and Sam the Sham don't even seem to realize they are spewing out gilded misinformation & commenters are "on to them." What do you make of this situation, geokat22? One would normally think their godlikeness would be down sized by now.
We haven't traversed circles at all. Once again the limits of sense are being tested. George Bush's memoirs, the advance copy of which the Guardian received in Nov 2010 states that he [Bush] asked the Pentagon to study the needs for a plan of attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and a possible covert action on Syria. These were secret directives. The oil spike was in Spring 2008. Now, in your defense I can state that for most speculative bubbles in crude, talks of 'this attack or that attack' seem to appear with some frequency; yet I was unaware of any contemporaneous credible source [I was trading in 2008, btw, so I ought to remember] claiming such with any imminence. LOL. Please no more.P.S. tell your fan Orloski to eat a few more with the special sprinkles. They are particularly good for the brain.
No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.
See how easy it is.
Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:
This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.
Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.
For a supposed 7th generation anchor baby you sure do care about the status of a foreign city a whole lot… are you sure you’re not a closet Christian Zionist or something?
are you sure you’re not a closet Christian Zionist or something?
I used to be an out of the closet Evangelical Zionist. Most of my peeps still are. I am loyal to my people if nothing else.
And I didn’t need to be a mind reader to do it.
I don’t read minds either; I just read the words that are used. They can usually tell you everything you need to know.
Hey Talha great comment.
I don't have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.
I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?
Not so fast; I doubt it’s that simple. I’d say that at a minimum it reflects cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism and probably a bit of sadism as well.
Like I said - it gets complicated - other than a few states, I can't think of one that wasn't established via military power. This may not have mattered in pre-modern times however Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2. Now some can say, well who cares, they won it with grit and steel - fine, let's see how long they can keep it. Long term (really long term), I think the enterprise will get absorbed into the Muslim world again (the how is what I can't figure out; war, collapsing birth rates, Jewish emigration to other countries, merging into a new ME economic bloc like the EU, etc.). The Latin kingdoms held out for much longer.
Again, don't blame Zionists much - if a billion and a half Muslims can't get their act together - well, we can't sit and whine about it can we? I guess we can, but will that change anything? The Prophet (pbuh) told us to be self-reflective in our situations*.
I can't help looking at things through the metaphysical lense, that's how my teachers taught me to read the world. Again, Shaykh Hamza explains it far better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdu_jxjitCw
Peace.
*Note how he never states any moral judgement about the other nations in the following hadith - they are simply background actors - the crux of the matter is the problem within the Muslims themselves and their relationship to God:
"The Prophet (pbuh) said: 'The nations will soon summon one another to attack you as diners inviting others to share their dish.' Someone asked: 'Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?' He replied: 'No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and God will take awe of you away from the hearts of your enemies and cast wahn into your hearts.' Someone asked: 'What is wahn, Messenger of God (pbuh)?' He replied: 'Love of the world and dislike of death.'" - Reported in Abu Dawud
Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2
Israel is just as much a product of the lines drawn after WWII as any of the numerous other ones.
Trump isn’t going to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Even if he wanted to, and he doesn’t, it’s just something he said without thinking, Bibi would never allow it.
For as obsessed as you guys are with Israel, you sure don’t understand it’s internal politics.
You are correct, our knowledge of Israeli politics is nothing like the perfect knowledge that we have of American politics.
Sham the Sham:
Yes -- the year is 2016, and to date, neither the Mainstream Media nor U.S. public school teachers are allowed to tell the truth about 9-11 and how snookered Americans are presently governed by a very tight knit and wealthy gang of Jewish Zionists who also proceeded to become mass murderers, much worse than even Abu Nidal, O.B.L., K.S.M., could ever imagine.
Such dirty truths will only appear in relatively banned books, for example, "Solving 9-11" by Christopher Bollyn which is (to date) probably more despised by Zionists than The Protocols of Zion.
Good thing the internet is around though, because there, web site operators & commenters do not have to salute the official 9-11 lies. In fact, for the time being, even simple "beer hall radicals" present at American Legions and V.F.W. Posts can stomp it, they can expose the lies, in time, they can tear it's cancerous lungs out. Sooner the better, eh Sam the Sham?
In December 2016, in other words NOW, the standard high school history textbooks will not inform students that 1960s America was ruled and effectively demoralized and dumbed-down by a gang of political thugs who also happened to be mass murderers of what Springsteen called, "The Yellow Man." (From "Born in the U.S.A.")
For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics, American public school history teachers still can not say that L.B.J. along with his band of "Best & Brightest" and honored West Point names like Westmoreland, Taylor, & Abrams were complicit in mass murder.
Shameful, eh Sam the Sham? Now Americans are trained to celebrate the Desert Storm turkey shoot of General Schwarzkopf, the ludicrous success of General Petraeus's "Surge."
Lionize the "American Sniper" and teach jobless "Call of Duty" kids to be like Chris Kyle!
There's this old saying I happen to like, "from small things do big things come!" Another oldie-but-goodie is, "The Nazarene became the Sanhedrin's first anti-semite." Maybe you're aware how Jesus preached about faith & truth & how the process starts from a tiny "mustard seed" and develops into something (non-materially) large and beautiful?
So you know, Sam the Sham, our local chapter of "Dunkin' Donuts Radicals" throws a free Christmas party every year! This year the venue will be Burger King who serves grilled hot dogs. For our "mustard seed" (sacramental) remembrance, all members will put extra mustard on each of their hot dogs! Doubtless such is a small but "serious operation."
Post scriptum: T0 "Anon":
Keep the putsch faith, "Anon." I do not know where you domicile, but by chance, are you interested in joining The Dunkin Donuts Radicals? We might have a chapter where you live! Let me know and I can "copy & paste" D.D.R.'s application on this Unz review thread. Fulfillment of our membership criteria is not all that difficult.
Typically, a prospective Dunkin' Donuts Radical member must have (to his/her documented credit) submitted at least one (1) angry letter-to-editor of a major Zionist it newspaper, for example, The New York Times. Having a letter published at one of those sheep f&*ucking outfits automatically promotes one as a D.D.R. "1%er;" a prestigious designation similar to that used by the Hell's Angel's.
If you can document at minimum ten (10) piercing posts at a web site considered a bacterial promoter of anti-semitism, you're in! Beyond that, Anon, we must talk more about this and please understand D.D.R. has a reputation to protect, and there's not much more I can do for you. Good luck and thanks for tuning in!
Speaking of Bollyn and General Dynamics, Bollyn has some good pieces about the very interesting history of General Dynamics.
I hope these links still work.
Articles by Christopher Bollyn about the Crown family and General Dynamics:
“Chicago’s Elders of Zion and Obama’s War for Profit” by Christopher Bollyn, October 14, 2011
http://www.bollyn.com/chicagos-elders-of-zion-and-obamas-war-for-profit/
“James Crown: The Israeli Connection in the Madoff Scam” by Christopher Bollyn, October 26, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/14419/
“JFK and 9-11: Henry Crown and the Cover-Ups of Our Time” by Christopher Bollyn, November 7, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/jfk-and-9-11-henry-crown-and-the-cover-ups-of-our-time/
“The Crown Family Connections to the Kennedy Assassinations” by Christopher Bollyn, November 21, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/the-crown-family-connections-to-the-kennedy-assassinations/
- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-antidote-for-disinfo#sthash.LHyI7vKQ.dpuf
Sample:
Thanks Jacques! Back in 2011, while at work and a guy having showed me his "Hutler" hot book, I read excepts from Larry Flynnt & David Eisenbach's "One Nation under Sex" and learned about the LBJ administration having given the TFXF-111 production job to General Dynamics despite having lower bids available. Later I shall begin to read the article "links" which you provided.
I had no idea that Henry Crown was the largest shareholder in "Texas-based G.D."
Otherwise, I was thrilled to see you mention the extremely vital work of Christopher Bollyn.
(Anyone, like C. Bollyn, who gets physically beaten by Mossad goon squads for doing 9/11 research has earned respect & Americans should "have their back")
Every American should read his "Solving 9-11" right now because I believe the Trump administration along with support from the other Superpower Russia, is going to build upon the rotten fruit of (official) 9-11 lies, and cause more immoral havoc and death in the Middle East and elsewhere.
Thank you, I must go grocery shopping now. At of this writing, I'm glad there's no Elders of Zion Price Chopper supermarkets around here & where goyem are obligated to patronize.
Terrific job, geokat22! Excellent how you provided the Guardian “link.”
iffen and Sam the Sham are staggering (full circle) on-the-ropes.
One matter though? Someone in their clan should talk to them about this current blow out, because even I (!) am getting a little embarrassed at how they continue to persist.
iffen and Sam the Sham don’t even seem to realize they are spewing out gilded misinformation & commenters are “on to them.” What do you make of this situation, geokat22? One would normally think their godlikeness would be down sized by now.
btw, I've got two bones to pick with you:
1) I never did receive a response to the query I posed to you in comment #958 under another one of Phil's threads, 9/11 Truth?
2) you've shortchanged my handle by 40 cents. Was this inflation-adjusted or do you have an aversion to the #6?
Yet, as Prof. Robert Weiner argues in his lectures on "The Long 19th Century," Poland was unprepared to participate in the industrial and democratizing revolutions emerging in Britain and Germany.The inavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state, developed by non-Jews, as to "Jewish work, aptitude, and qualifications."In Muller's lectures he explains that "Jews see or create opportunities to engage in entrepreneurial activities, and Jews have the ability to recognize when an enterprise (or state) is failing, whereupon Jews abandon the enterprise, cut their losses and move on to greener pastures." In other words, unlike Iranians or Germans, for example, the extended commitment of Jews is not to the land, or to the people and culture, but to the opportunity to take advantage of pre-existing institutions and resources to develop economic/financial benefits for the Jewish community, sometimes to the detriment of, or by exploiting, the native people and culture. When the natives resist Jewish exploitation of their institutions, Jews punish them economically or by extreme violence. When opportunities dry up or a given host country is played out, Jews leave for more fruitful arenas. Jews left Germany in Exodus-style: they stole treasure, destroyed leadership, destroyed the heritage, and destroyed the next generation of the German people. Jews maintain tight control over the cognitive map of the German people through psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda.Why shouldn't the American people be concerned that a similar behavior will be carried out against them and their culture and economy, and isn't it the obligation of the government of the American people to defend against such threats to their long-term viability?
“The unavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state” – Isn’t it a common knowledge? I always thought that expulsion of Jews in 13 century from England was responsible for setting England on the path to become a major power. With the Jews England’s fate could have been more similar to that of Poland.
Prior to emancipation (Napoleon) Jews had negligible contribution to science, literature, music and art. And thereafter their contributions were not Jewish in essence. They were in opposition to their culture and not because of it.
Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.
“Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.”
Good point but it never gets any traction among Protestants. For support E. Michael Jones.
Israel is just as much a product of the lines drawn after WWII as any of the numerous other ones.
Indeed – my, the Brits really screwed up big time on that map didn’t they? Like I said, when I think long term – a lot of these details don’t matter – at least in this world. Palestinians will likely not get a right to return for a few generations – the scorecard will be taken care of in the next life. Likewise the continuing expansion of settlements in the W Bank. People don’t talk much anymore about the Latin kingdoms.
My primary concerns are; 1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies, 2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria and 3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders.
Peace.
I would not agree that they screwed up. Drawing lines is usually a messy and bloody business. After WWII the Great Powers drew the lines to their economic and political advantage, so they can be faulted for trying to grab control of natural resources and trying to re-establish colonial regimes. I don’t buy the general premise that the colonial powers are responsible for what the locals do with the lines post-colonial. As to which ethnic groups “got” countries and which ones didn’t, I don’t know how one could sort through which were “deserving” and which were not, it turns on power politics, not who is entitled.
Politically the Zionists had done their homework and had the commitment from Britain. As to ethnic groups, I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Long term, Israel seems to have painted itself into a corner. I have no solution to offer. I do see a major problem with trying to maintain a liberal democracy for a part of the population and having a part which does not have equal participation. (This is the same problem that I see with Islam.)
1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies
I would like for us to do a major re-assessment of foreign military aid, not just the part going to Israel.
2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria
I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong. If Israel did not exist, I think that we would be about where we are in the ME.
3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders
You are blaming Israel for conflict in Islam. I don’t buy that.
Iranophobes want (whether they know or not) to destroy US economy. After all as Saudi Arabia sinks deeper, who will be next petrodollar linchpin? US busy antagonizing most likely alternatives.
For as obsessed as you guys are with Israel, you sure don't understand it's internal politics.
For as obsessed as you guys are with Israel, you sure don’t understand it’s internal politics.
You are correct, our knowledge of Israeli politics is nothing like the perfect knowledge that we have of American politics.
Indeed – my, the Brits really screwed up big time on that map didn’t they?
I would not agree that they screwed up. Drawing lines is usually a messy and bloody business. After WWII the Great Powers drew the lines to their economic and political advantage, so they can be faulted for trying to grab control of natural resources and trying to re-establish colonial regimes. I don’t buy the general premise that the colonial powers are responsible for what the locals do with the lines post-colonial. As to which ethnic groups “got” countries and which ones didn’t, I don’t know how one could sort through which were “deserving” and which were not, it turns on power politics, not who is entitled.
Politically the Zionists had done their homework and had the commitment from Britain. As to ethnic groups, I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Long term, Israel seems to have painted itself into a corner. I have no solution to offer. I do see a major problem with trying to maintain a liberal democracy for a part of the population and having a part which does not have equal participation. (This is the same problem that I see with Islam.)
1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies
I would like for us to do a major re-assessment of foreign military aid, not just the part going to Israel.
2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria
I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong. If Israel did not exist, I think that we would be about where we are in the ME.
3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders
You are blaming Israel for conflict in Islam. I don’t buy that.
if you please.
"In Iran, five seats in parliament are reserved for recognized religious minorities — one for a Jew, two for Christians and two for Zoroastrians."
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-iranian-mp-lauds-countrys-religious-freedom/Pakistan even had a Catholic Chief Justice, the Hon. Alvin Cornelius, who actually advocated implementation of Shariah as a means to guard 'natural law' against abuses of government and
"The thinker at issue is the eminent Catholic Pakistani judge A. R. Cornelius, who served on Pakistan’s Supreme Court during that country’s post-independence slide into authoritarianism and who died in 1991. Once skeptical about arguments that Pakistan’s law should be self-consciously measured against Islamic norms, Cornelius lived through the establishment of secular military dictatorship. As I will explain, he came to believe that Islamization might be a necessary precondition for the reestablishment of the liberal rule of law in Pakistan....Thus, the rise of popular piety and governmental programs to Islamize society have undoubtedly led to illiberal treatment of people and human rights abuses in Pakistan and Egypt. At the same time, however, liberal judges in both countries have been able to develop Islamic arguments both
to forestall abuses by secular government and, more intriguingly, to resist abuses carried out by citizens or government officials claiming to be acting according to 'Islamic' principles."
http://ir.stthomas.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1237&context=ustljVery complicated stuff - but someone looking at it has to divorce preconceptions stemming from European models as being the benchmark.As far as other concerns...
#1 - We are on the same page here.
#2 - As far as I can see it doesn't want any unfriendly government around it with reasonable rival military projection powers and will help or advocate to destabilize any governments that fit that bill - innocent life does not seem a concern of theirs. Of course, it can backfire - Syria now probably sports the most battle-hardened and capable Arab army of the entire region by trial-of-fire. I don't agree with the opinion that things would simply be the same without Israel around. One of the goals of Neocon planners in their policies is how to set up the ME in Israel's favor or to maintain its dominance.
#3 - No - the extremist conflict in Islam flares up from time to time and goes back to the time of the Khawarij - I would never blame Israel for that. In fact, J. Rujevsky gave me the third degree for not agreeing with him that existence of extremist strains in Islam is simply Zionist propaganda. But what I do blame them for is a couple of things; a) stoking and using extremist strains for their policies (that includes their influence in the US gov't to help arm or otherwise politically support them):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/?utm_term=.eb8a3b39f7b0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/19/israeli-defense-minister-if-i-had-to-choose-between-iran-and-isis-id-choose-isis/?utm_term=.02984bb1a28ab) I have been watching the anti-Islam propaganda evolve since the 90's. It has gotten progressively pernicious and more well-funded. People like David Horowitz, Geller, and others crank it out 24/7 and get media coverage all the time. And again, this is not your academic criticism of Islam from the likes of the late Louis Massignon, etc. - it is full-fledged lies and utter distortion of our history - as you've seen me challenge on this forum. It's connected at the hip with Zionism:
"Shillman said he remains a director of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, whose Jihad Watch website helped organize the cartoon event in a Dallas suburb with activist Pamela Geller’s American Freedom Defense Initiative...His Shillman Foundation has funded a number of conservative and pro-Israeli groups, including the Zionist Organization of America. The ZOA has targeted both academics it perceives have been teaching anti-Israel doctrine and Palestine student groups accused of intimidating Jewish students on U.S. campuses, including a campaign at Shillman’s alma mater, Northeastern University in Boston."
http://forward.com/news/307903/the-tech-mogul-who-funds-pamela-gellers-anti-islam-push/"Well imagine no more, Loonwatch has gone digging and sure enough, Robert Spencer, a long discredited anti-Muslim hatemonger posing as an 'Islam scholar' has shown his scholarly objective ways with the heinously named URL’s 'fuckallah.com and 'fuckislam.com' redirecting to his cesspool of subjectivity, the David Horowitz funded hate blog, Jihadwatch.org."
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/loonwatch-exclusive-robert-spencers-fkallahcom-fkislamcom/And Spencer is getting interviews in MSM as an expert on Islam - what the hell?So no, Israel and Zionists do not get off so easy on that score. That to me is more vile than a back and forth over some pieces of territory in the Levant. You have to understand my perspective on this anti-Islam stuff; this is about salvation - afterlife. Their political machinations are getting in people's way of being able to discern the truth of Islam and decide whether they like it or reject it based on what it actually says. To me this is beyond petty things like discomfort of Muslims in the US - we will just have to be patient and tough it out - but they are toying with people's souls - this is unforgivable.Peace.
You are always wrong. More to the point, you are a pathetic, sad little zionist liar.
Hey, Talha. I’m assuming you’ve listed these in order of importance to you. If so, I’m a little surprised and disappointed you’ve placed money ahead of the taking of innocent lives. This can’t be consistent with what your Islamic scholars have been teaching you all these years, can it?
iffen and Sam the Sham are staggering (full circle) on-the-ropes.
One matter though? Someone in their clan should talk to them about this current blow out, because even I (!) am getting a little embarrassed at how they continue to persist.
iffen and Sam the Sham don't even seem to realize they are spewing out gilded misinformation & commenters are "on to them." What do you make of this situation, geokat22? One would normally think their godlikeness would be down sized by now.
Thanks, Chuck… appreciate the feedback.
btw, I’ve got two bones to pick with you:
1) I never did receive a response to the query I posed to you in comment #958 under another one of Phil’s threads, 9/11 Truth?
2) you’ve shortchanged my handle by 40 cents. Was this inflation-adjusted or do you have an aversion to the #6?
I apologize for failing to answer your query # 958.
As the "thread" surpassed 1,000 comments, I sort of "hung up my spikes." Commenters started to rehash matters which were well covered and I had no enthusiasm for "reinventing the wheel."
Once MCPO USN wrote a brainless reply to something I said, I went to making comment on Linh Dinh's terrific article, "The Trump Ploy."
Later while listening to the Penn State vs. Wisconsin football game on radio, I'll go back, read your # 958, and hopefully "bury the bones" that you so sincerely picked with me.
Thank you... and Carrier me back to ole Virginny!
geokat22,
At the time, I was on holy fire with making comments to P.G.'s provocative "9/11 Truth." Frankly, I am still disappointed by Mr. Giraldi's holding back on writing what he must really know about Zionist guilt for planning and doing the 9-11 attacks.
However, I am now pleased to learn he's the Executive Director of the educational and visually attractive (www) resource!
Most of all, I am so impressed to learn Alison Weir is Staff President. Unaware about where are her native origins, Alison is an American hero. Right now I'm planning to purchase her book for the long N.E. Pennsylvania winter.
Finally, I placed the web site into my "favorites" and I will regularly check in. (Note: Sam the Sham was correct in stating how I'm your 'fan." Such is much superior to his polishing the Sponge Bob knobs of Mnuchin and Adelson)
Finally, you are a Riddler, geokat22! I did not look back at ('9-11 Truth") comment # 6, but you got me on this one. But when the organization gets to deputizing school bus drivers and giving them badges and clubs, let me know? With a Class "B" C.D.L., when moment strikes, I can drive half tracks & tanks, and I'd like to do American service against The Zionist War of Terror. The king-bitches minimum wage will do! Thank you... praise unto Christopher Bollyn.
I would not agree that they screwed up. Drawing lines is usually a messy and bloody business. After WWII the Great Powers drew the lines to their economic and political advantage, so they can be faulted for trying to grab control of natural resources and trying to re-establish colonial regimes. I don’t buy the general premise that the colonial powers are responsible for what the locals do with the lines post-colonial. As to which ethnic groups “got” countries and which ones didn’t, I don’t know how one could sort through which were “deserving” and which were not, it turns on power politics, not who is entitled.
Politically the Zionists had done their homework and had the commitment from Britain. As to ethnic groups, I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Long term, Israel seems to have painted itself into a corner. I have no solution to offer. I do see a major problem with trying to maintain a liberal democracy for a part of the population and having a part which does not have equal participation. (This is the same problem that I see with Islam.)
1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies
I would like for us to do a major re-assessment of foreign military aid, not just the part going to Israel.
2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria
I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong. If Israel did not exist, I think that we would be about where we are in the ME.
3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders
You are blaming Israel for conflict in Islam. I don’t buy that.
Could you expand on that, iffen: Describe in detail what the zionists did in their “homework,” and then please back up, with convincing evidence and argument, your assertion that “Jews ‘deserved’ a country” over any others.
if you please.
No, I can’t do that. I could if I wanted to take a few months to study all the sources, but it is not crucial to my understanding. You already have a good knowledge of their activities, real and imagined, so what I have to say would have little import for you. My comment is a generality. Zionists worked together toward a common goal: the establishment of the state of Israel, and they accomplished that goal. I know that they were very active in the US and Britain, not sure about other countries, that’s all I need to know.
your assertion that “Jews ‘deserved’ a country” over any others.
That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Of the ethnic groups that got countries, none had a claim superior to the Jews.
Hey Geo,
I wasn’t necessarily thinking about the order, but the two are connected. Innocent life always takes precedence over money. Where it gets fuzzy is; say there is one of the regular conflicts that is going on in Central Africa that flares up from time to time wheres thousands of people are killed. Now that sucks big time and is horrific, but I cannot possibly see how I have even a shred of personal responsibility to answer for in the afterlife for it – other than I prayed for it to end or sent some money for relief (for instance, my family tries to keep up sponsorship of two orphans in Africa). Those people in that conflict are moral actors in and of themselves.
If the government was merely taking my money and using it to run NASA experiments on the effects of gravity-free conditions on the chess skills of simians, I would think that is wasteful and be upset, but – whatever. However, the #1 is connected to #2, so now I’m going to be asked if I spoke up about how my money was used in the deaths of innocents. Did I voice my opposition to such policies, etc.? Did I help elect people into power that advocated or opposed these policies?
Does that all make sense?
Peace.
Peace
I would not agree that they screwed up. Drawing lines is usually a messy and bloody business. After WWII the Great Powers drew the lines to their economic and political advantage, so they can be faulted for trying to grab control of natural resources and trying to re-establish colonial regimes. I don’t buy the general premise that the colonial powers are responsible for what the locals do with the lines post-colonial. As to which ethnic groups “got” countries and which ones didn’t, I don’t know how one could sort through which were “deserving” and which were not, it turns on power politics, not who is entitled.
Politically the Zionists had done their homework and had the commitment from Britain. As to ethnic groups, I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Long term, Israel seems to have painted itself into a corner. I have no solution to offer. I do see a major problem with trying to maintain a liberal democracy for a part of the population and having a part which does not have equal participation. (This is the same problem that I see with Islam.)
1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies
I would like for us to do a major re-assessment of foreign military aid, not just the part going to Israel.
2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria
I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong. If Israel did not exist, I think that we would be about where we are in the ME.
3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders
You are blaming Israel for conflict in Islam. I don’t buy that.
Hey iffen,
Also, remember that the Brits helped the Saudis (with their Wahhabi allies) come to power and take control of the Hijaz and the oil fields.
I can’t think of a problem that Islam would have with organizing a society with liberal democratic forms in the current situation (any more than it would with organizing it around tribal confederacy) – sure there may be certain constitutional limits in place about over-turning the order (for instance only Muslims can serve as president or certain military positions, etc.), but even Iran specifically reserves seats in parliament for minorities that would likely never win an election on their own:
“In Iran, five seats in parliament are reserved for recognized religious minorities — one for a Jew, two for Christians and two for Zoroastrians.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-iranian-mp-lauds-countrys-religious-freedom/
Pakistan even had a Catholic Chief Justice, the Hon. Alvin Cornelius, who actually advocated implementation of Shariah as a means to guard ‘natural law’ against abuses of government and
“The thinker at issue is the eminent Catholic Pakistani judge A. R. Cornelius, who served on Pakistan’s Supreme Court during that country’s post-independence slide into authoritarianism and who died in 1991. Once skeptical about arguments that Pakistan’s law should be self-consciously measured against Islamic norms, Cornelius lived through the establishment of secular military dictatorship. As I will explain, he came to believe that Islamization might be a necessary precondition for the reestablishment of the liberal rule of law in Pakistan….Thus, the rise of popular piety and governmental programs to Islamize society have undoubtedly led to illiberal treatment of people and human rights abuses in Pakistan and Egypt. At the same time, however, liberal judges in both countries have been able to develop Islamic arguments both
to forestall abuses by secular government and, more intriguingly, to resist abuses carried out by citizens or government officials claiming to be acting according to ‘Islamic’ principles.”
http://ir.stthomas.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1237&context=ustlj
Very complicated stuff – but someone looking at it has to divorce preconceptions stemming from European models as being the benchmark.
As far as other concerns…
#1 – We are on the same page here.
#2 – As far as I can see it doesn’t want any unfriendly government around it with reasonable rival military projection powers and will help or advocate to destabilize any governments that fit that bill – innocent life does not seem a concern of theirs. Of course, it can backfire – Syria now probably sports the most battle-hardened and capable Arab army of the entire region by trial-of-fire. I don’t agree with the opinion that things would simply be the same without Israel around. One of the goals of Neocon planners in their policies is how to set up the ME in Israel’s favor or to maintain its dominance.
#3 – No – the extremist conflict in Islam flares up from time to time and goes back to the time of the Khawarij – I would never blame Israel for that. In fact, J. Rujevsky gave me the third degree for not agreeing with him that existence of extremist strains in Islam is simply Zionist propaganda. But what I do blame them for is a couple of things; a) stoking and using extremist strains for their policies (that includes their influence in the US gov’t to help arm or otherwise politically support them):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/?utm_term=.eb8a3b39f7b0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/19/israeli-defense-minister-if-i-had-to-choose-between-iran-and-isis-id-choose-isis/?utm_term=.02984bb1a28a
b) I have been watching the anti-Islam propaganda evolve since the 90′s. It has gotten progressively pernicious and more well-funded. People like David Horowitz, Geller, and others crank it out 24/7 and get media coverage all the time. And again, this is not your academic criticism of Islam from the likes of the late Louis Massignon, etc. – it is full-fledged lies and utter distortion of our history – as you’ve seen me challenge on this forum. It’s connected at the hip with Zionism:
“Shillman said he remains a director of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, whose Jihad Watch website helped organize the cartoon event in a Dallas suburb with activist Pamela Geller’s American Freedom Defense Initiative…His Shillman Foundation has funded a number of conservative and pro-Israeli groups, including the Zionist Organization of America. The ZOA has targeted both academics it perceives have been teaching anti-Israel doctrine and Palestine student groups accused of intimidating Jewish students on U.S. campuses, including a campaign at Shillman’s alma mater, Northeastern University in Boston.”
http://forward.com/news/307903/the-tech-mogul-who-funds-pamela-gellers-anti-islam-push/
“Well imagine no more, Loonwatch has gone digging and sure enough, Robert Spencer, a long discredited anti-Muslim hatemonger posing as an ‘Islam scholar’ has shown his scholarly objective ways with the heinously named URL’s ‘fuckallah.com and ‘fuckislam.com’ redirecting to his cesspool of subjectivity, the David Horowitz funded hate blog, Jihadwatch.org.”
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/loonwatch-exclusive-robert-spencers-fkallahcom-fkislamcom/
And Spencer is getting interviews in MSM as an expert on Islam – what the hell?
So no, Israel and Zionists do not get off so easy on that score. That to me is more vile than a back and forth over some pieces of territory in the Levant. You have to understand my perspective on this anti-Islam stuff; this is about salvation – afterlife. Their political machinations are getting in people’s way of being able to discern the truth of Islam and decide whether they like it or reject it based on what it actually says. To me this is beyond petty things like discomfort of Muslims in the US – we will just have to be patient and tough it out – but they are toying with people’s souls – this is unforgivable.
Peace.
We couldn't even say that they drew the lines with one eye on their own economic interests, we would have to say that they did it with both eyes wide open.
During the Viet Nam era, I remember when I first came to understand that we had acquiesced in helping France re-establish control of her colonial empire. One of the first chinks in the armor that I faced up to. Of course there was the Cold War factor that mitigated it somewhat.
if you please.
Could you expand on that, iffen: Describe in detail what the zionists did in their “homework,”
No, I can’t do that. I could if I wanted to take a few months to study all the sources, but it is not crucial to my understanding. You already have a good knowledge of their activities, real and imagined, so what I have to say would have little import for you. My comment is a generality. Zionists worked together toward a common goal: the establishment of the state of Israel, and they accomplished that goal. I know that they were very active in the US and Britain, not sure about other countries, that’s all I need to know.
your assertion that “Jews ‘deserved’ a country” over any others.
That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Of the ethnic groups that got countries, none had a claim superior to the Jews.
Eric Hobsbaum formulated the theory that the dual revolutions -- French, in 1789 and following, and the industrial revolution of the same era, were the two most significant events in world history since the domestication of agriculture.As you say, Poland missed out and was still playing catch-up over a century later. It's likely that Poland's backwardness was among the causal factors, rather than an outcome, of both world wars.but by all means continue to dazzle us with your PhD level economic analysis, even if you did apply it to the wrong century.
And you are boring me idiot. Missed the point as usual. Colonies: when did the possess them? Get it?
who cares what you say, Sam?
In an age of mass production, one megaphone is the same as another.
Makes perfect sense, Talha. That said, we should always lead with the statement “Innocent life always takes precedence over money,” and then follow with the appropriate qualifiers like personal responsibility, etc.
Peace
[they are related:]
Yes. Many words are related but do keep stretching the limits of credibility with implausible choices.
"In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."
does not in any way "stretch the limits of credulity?"... despite all the headlines in the papers:
I hope these links still work.
Articles by Christopher Bollyn about the Crown family and General Dynamics:
“Chicago's Elders of Zion and Obama's War for Profit” by Christopher Bollyn, October 14, 2011
http://www.bollyn.com/chicagos-elders-of-zion-and-obamas-war-for-profit/
“James Crown: The Israeli Connection in the Madoff Scam” by Christopher Bollyn, October 26, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/14419/
“JFK and 9-11: Henry Crown and the Cover-Ups of Our Time” by Christopher Bollyn, November 7, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/jfk-and-9-11-henry-crown-and-the-cover-ups-of-our-time/
“The Crown Family Connections to the Kennedy Assassinations” by Christopher Bollyn, November 21, 2013
http://www.bollyn.com/the-crown-family-connections-to-the-kennedy-assassinations/
- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-antidote-for-disinfo#sthash.LHyI7vKQ.dpuf
Sample:
“… how Henry Crown finagled the this huge Texas deal.”
Thanks Jacques! Back in 2011, while at work and a guy having showed me his “Hutler” hot book, I read excepts from Larry Flynnt & David Eisenbach’s “One Nation under Sex” and learned about the LBJ administration having given the TFXF-111 production job to General Dynamics despite having lower bids available. Later I shall begin to read the article “links” which you provided.
I had no idea that Henry Crown was the largest shareholder in “Texas-based G.D.”
Otherwise, I was thrilled to see you mention the extremely vital work of Christopher Bollyn.
(Anyone, like C. Bollyn, who gets physically beaten by Mossad goon squads for doing 9/11 research has earned respect & Americans should “have their back”)
Every American should read his “Solving 9-11″ right now because I believe the Trump administration along with support from the other Superpower Russia, is going to build upon the rotten fruit of (official) 9-11 lies, and cause more immoral havoc and death in the Middle East and elsewhere.
Thank you, I must go grocery shopping now. At of this writing, I’m glad there’s no Elders of Zion Price Chopper supermarkets around here & where goyem are obligated to patronize.
btw, I've got two bones to pick with you:
1) I never did receive a response to the query I posed to you in comment #958 under another one of Phil's threads, 9/11 Truth?
2) you've shortchanged my handle by 40 cents. Was this inflation-adjusted or do you have an aversion to the #6?
geokat22,
I apologize for failing to answer your query # 958.
As the “thread” surpassed 1,000 comments, I sort of “hung up my spikes.” Commenters started to rehash matters which were well covered and I had no enthusiasm for “reinventing the wheel.”
Once MCPO USN wrote a brainless reply to something I said, I went to making comment on Linh Dinh’s terrific article, “The Trump Ploy.”
Later while listening to the Penn State vs. Wisconsin football game on radio, I’ll go back, read your # 958, and hopefully “bury the bones” that you so sincerely picked with me.
Thank you… and Carrier me back to ole Virginny!
Geo,
We haven’t traversed circles at all. Once again the limits of sense are being tested.
George Bush’s memoirs, the advance copy of which the Guardian received in Nov 2010 states that he [Bush] asked the Pentagon to study the needs for a plan of attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and a possible covert action on Syria. These were secret directives.
The oil spike was in Spring 2008. Now, in your defense I can state that for most speculative bubbles in crude, talks of ‘this attack or that attack’ seem to appear with some frequency; yet I was unaware of any contemporaneous credible source [I was trading in 2008, btw, so I ought to remember] claiming such with any imminence.
LOL. Please no more.
P.S. tell your fan Orloski to eat a few more with the special sprinkles. They are particularly good for the brain.
As you well know, headlines, like the one below, were being splashed all over the MSM during the summer of 2008, just before the Bush Administration, with Darth Vader at the helm, was about to come to an end. But I will say this in your defense, Sam, the MSM may not be deemed a credible source these days, what with them pumping out "fake news."
I would not agree that they screwed up. Drawing lines is usually a messy and bloody business. After WWII the Great Powers drew the lines to their economic and political advantage, so they can be faulted for trying to grab control of natural resources and trying to re-establish colonial regimes. I don’t buy the general premise that the colonial powers are responsible for what the locals do with the lines post-colonial. As to which ethnic groups “got” countries and which ones didn’t, I don’t know how one could sort through which were “deserving” and which were not, it turns on power politics, not who is entitled.
Politically the Zionists had done their homework and had the commitment from Britain. As to ethnic groups, I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Long term, Israel seems to have painted itself into a corner. I have no solution to offer. I do see a major problem with trying to maintain a liberal democracy for a part of the population and having a part which does not have equal participation. (This is the same problem that I see with Islam.)
1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies
I would like for us to do a major re-assessment of foreign military aid, not just the part going to Israel.
2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria
I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong. If Israel did not exist, I think that we would be about where we are in the ME.
3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders
You are blaming Israel for conflict in Islam. I don’t buy that.
iffen: “I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong.”
You are always wrong. More to the point, you are a pathetic, sad little zionist liar.
You are entitled to your opinion but can you provide any concrete evidence beyond anecdotal? I don’t think you’d be able to, nor most. When you listed all those qualities which in your opinion are necessary for success, you’ve surely defined humans, naturally including yourself. I’ll tell you my opinion; success – truly lasting success – comes with aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune. When people incessantly rankle about the successes of some group other than their own, it is usually the product of jealousy – another human, indeed simian quality.
Yes as I mentioned, these were "soft limit" violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran's motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC's guidelines. On (c) I'd say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.
Whenever I hear a zionist scumbag, such as this liar Shama, talk about ‘human rights’ and then obviously refer to Israel’s target countries, or any countries at all, it makes me nauseated.
As if zionists care about human rights;
No mention made of the illegal Zionist Ghetto State’s long string of well documented human rights violations, of course not.
For example, here is Shames moral army in action;
Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
Here is a photo of the girl murdered by the israeli coward:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams
When facing people who fight back though, it ends up like this;
https://justpaste.it/1113u
We haven't traversed circles at all. Once again the limits of sense are being tested. George Bush's memoirs, the advance copy of which the Guardian received in Nov 2010 states that he [Bush] asked the Pentagon to study the needs for a plan of attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and a possible covert action on Syria. These were secret directives. The oil spike was in Spring 2008. Now, in your defense I can state that for most speculative bubbles in crude, talks of 'this attack or that attack' seem to appear with some frequency; yet I was unaware of any contemporaneous credible source [I was trading in 2008, btw, so I ought to remember] claiming such with any imminence. LOL. Please no more.P.S. tell your fan Orloski to eat a few more with the special sprinkles. They are particularly good for the brain.
LOL, Please no more, Sam.
As you well know, headlines, like the one below, were being splashed all over the MSM during the summer of 2008, just before the Bush Administration, with Darth Vader at the helm, was about to come to an end. But I will say this in your defense, Sam, the MSM may not be deemed a credible source these days, what with them pumping out “fake news.”
(1) Why are you attempting to gloss over now, your reference to George Bush's memoir of Nov 2010 as the damning evidence bolstering your original claim of war drums driving up the piece of crude in 2008? (2) this latest reference is from Aug 2008, past the Spring date, and it talked about movies [of all things, hahahaha] and the possibility of an attack, not before Jan 2009:
"The prospect of an Israeli attack on Iran before the next president’s inauguration in January is not just the stuff of airport thrillers." Geo, I'm beginning to think you'd make a pretty decent speculator on our desk: want to give it a shot?
No, I can’t do that. I could if I wanted to take a few months to study all the sources, but it is not crucial to my understanding. You already have a good knowledge of their activities, real and imagined, so what I have to say would have little import for you. My comment is a generality. Zionists worked together toward a common goal: the establishment of the state of Israel, and they accomplished that goal. I know that they were very active in the US and Britain, not sure about other countries, that’s all I need to know.
your assertion that “Jews ‘deserved’ a country” over any others.
That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.
Of the ethnic groups that got countries, none had a claim superior to the Jews.
An extremely disappointing response, iffen.
meh
who cares what you say, Sam?
In an age of mass production, one megaphone is the same as another.
Requires no megaphones.
Yes. Many words are related but do keep stretching the limits of credibility with implausible choices.
Ok, Sam. I guess I’m the one here with that rep, right? Your previous comment:
“In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”
does not in any way “stretch the limits of credulity?”… despite all the headlines in the papers:
As you well know, headlines, like the one below, were being splashed all over the MSM during the summer of 2008, just before the Bush Administration, with Darth Vader at the helm, was about to come to an end. But I will say this in your defense, Sam, the MSM may not be deemed a credible source these days, what with them pumping out "fake news."
No one worth their salt takes any positions [other than for pure speculation] based on “headlines without doing their own proprietary research. As I said before, these speculators from 2008, mostly got f*ked.
Besides, two observations:
(1) Why are you attempting to gloss over now, your reference to George Bush’s memoir of Nov 2010 as the damning evidence bolstering your original claim of war drums driving up the piece of crude in 2008?
(2) this latest reference is from Aug 2008, past the Spring date, and it talked about movies [of all things, hahahaha] and the possibility of an attack, not before Jan 2009:
“The prospect of an Israeli attack on Iran before the next president’s inauguration in January is not just the stuff of airport thrillers.”
Geo, I’m beginning to think you’d make a pretty decent speculator on our desk: want to give it a shot?
who cares what you say, Sam?
In an age of mass production, one megaphone is the same as another.
Find me O genius of economic history, valid claims of industrialisation which preceded colonial asset acquisition.
Requires no megaphones.
Well, I think Engel is mentally deranged.
That's not to disparage persons with mental disorders; such disorders are a terrible affliction.
But Engel spreads his mental derangement. He bills himself as a "scholar" at or for the holocaust museum in Washington, DC; it was his cockamamie theories that the holocaust museum echoed in its reaction to Richard Spencer and the NPI Conference. Those Polish nuns who were my teachers were not long on academic rigor, but they did teach me that it is a grievous sin to spread lies about something or someone.
When those lies result in the destruction of whole nations and people, as did the lies FDR told to incite the American people to go to war in Europe, and then to carry out deliberate firebombing of German civilians and to commit other war crimes and crimes against humanity against the German people, the sin is almost beyond redemption.People like Engel continue, to this day, to excuse; to evade accountability; to attempt to privilege Jews, and to benefit and profit from those crimes.
(1) Why are you attempting to gloss over now, your reference to George Bush's memoir of Nov 2010 as the damning evidence bolstering your original claim of war drums driving up the piece of crude in 2008? (2) this latest reference is from Aug 2008, past the Spring date, and it talked about movies [of all things, hahahaha] and the possibility of an attack, not before Jan 2009:
"The prospect of an Israeli attack on Iran before the next president’s inauguration in January is not just the stuff of airport thrillers." Geo, I'm beginning to think you'd make a pretty decent speculator on our desk: want to give it a shot?
Thanks, Sam… QED
As if zionists care about human rights;
No mention made of the illegal Zionist Ghetto State's long string of well documented human rights violations, of course not.
For example, here is Shames moral army in action;
Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
Here is a photo of the girl murdered by the israeli coward:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams
When facing people who fight back though, it ends up like this;
https://justpaste.it/1113u
You are quite right, this infamy and several others including the house burning incident are terrible blots on the record and conscience of Israel which the state has not recognised nor compensated the victims for.
However, it does not negate the considerable record of violations of other states such as Iran and Saudi.
And you are still a reptilian nazi born of an unholy hybrid cross. Reptiles do not get nauseated but only hiss.
Thank me no thankings. Quod erat demonstrandum non est. In other words, you have not proved anything you embarked upon to prove. It was I pointing you in the direction that futures speculation cannot determine long-term spot settlements right at the start, while it was your contention that crude markets were primarily influenced by speculation, not fundamental structural factors. Again may I suggest you please read Menzie Chin’s article?
There is no point in continuing this as I am certain by now you are digging your heels to prove something which belongs to a null set, not arguments based on good faith and reason.
Check out this interesting animated graph: http://www.timera-energy.com/brent-curve-slump-in-animation/
I was intrigued by the explanation put forth for the period 2008-09:It appears there is some debate over the super cycle hypothesis, however:Not to beat a dead horse, I still wanted to take one last shot at one of your previous statements:I think the following revised statement is a more accurate reflection of our respective positions on this topic:
"It was I pointing you in the direction that futures speculation cannot determine long-term spot settlements right at the start, while it was your contention that futures markets for crude oil were primarily influenced by speculation, not fundamental structural factors."
Given this clarification, would you still take issue with it?
Requires no megaphones.
1, comment 267 was ill-advised; a waste of pixels. Sorry Ron.
2, I never claimed to be a “genius of economic history,” Sam.
I cited the source for the information — Robert Weiner, who identified himself as “a male, a Jew, and an historian of European history,” in that order, when he introduced himself and his lectures on “The Long Nineteenth Century.”
I study such lectures because I am aware of the deficits in my academic background. As I’ve stated, my teachers were refugees from war-torn Poland; they were not trained to teach; that class of nuns and many others had been killed, either by Germans, by Bolsheviks, or by Polish Jews.
So I rely on people who represent themselves as experts, like Weiner.
Maybe Weiner is wrong.
After all, I’ve studied intensely the lectures of David Engel, on “Understanding the Holocaust,” and Engel is so wrong in so many ways that it’s a wonder my desktop did not cave in from the pounding. At one point Engel says, “If I had said ten years ago that X Y Z, people would have thought me insane.”
Well, I think Engel is mentally deranged.
That’s not to disparage persons with mental disorders; such disorders are a terrible affliction.
But Engel spreads his mental derangement. He bills himself as a “scholar” at or for the holocaust museum in Washington, DC; it was his cockamamie theories that the holocaust museum echoed in its reaction to Richard Spencer and the NPI Conference.
Those Polish nuns who were my teachers were not long on academic rigor, but they did teach me that it is a grievous sin to spread lies about something or someone.
When those lies result in the destruction of whole nations and people, as did the lies FDR told to incite the American people to go to war in Europe, and then to carry out deliberate firebombing of German civilians and to commit other war crimes and crimes against humanity against the German people, the sin is almost beyond redemption.
People like Engel continue, to this day, to excuse; to evade accountability; to attempt to privilege Jews, and to benefit and profit from those crimes.
btw, I've got two bones to pick with you:
1) I never did receive a response to the query I posed to you in comment #958 under another one of Phil's threads, 9/11 Truth?
2) you've shortchanged my handle by 40 cents. Was this inflation-adjusted or do you have an aversion to the #6?
“I never received a response from you to the query posed ion comment # 958. ”
geokat22,
At the time, I was on holy fire with making comments to P.G.’s provocative “9/11 Truth.” Frankly, I am still disappointed by Mr. Giraldi’s holding back on writing what he must really know about Zionist guilt for planning and doing the 9-11 attacks.
However, I am now pleased to learn he’s the Executive Director of the educational and visually attractive (www) resource!
Most of all, I am so impressed to learn Alison Weir is Staff President. Unaware about where are her native origins, Alison is an American hero. Right now I’m planning to purchase her book for the long N.E. Pennsylvania winter.
Finally, I placed the web site into my “favorites” and I will regularly check in. (Note: Sam the Sham was correct in stating how I’m your ‘fan.” Such is much superior to his polishing the Sponge Bob knobs of Mnuchin and Adelson)
Finally, you are a Riddler, geokat22! I did not look back at (’9-11 Truth”) comment # 6, but you got me on this one. But when the organization gets to deputizing school bus drivers and giving them badges and clubs, let me know? With a Class “B” C.D.L., when moment strikes, I can drive half tracks & tanks, and I’d like to do American service against The Zionist War of Terror. The king-bitches minimum wage will do! Thank you… praise unto Christopher Bollyn.
You make war on the Jewish people, you get destroyed. And it won’t be pretty. The Germans already learned that the hard way, the Palestinians are much slower learners.
The way you apologize for us defending ourselves is disgusting. Fortunately in 20 years there will be no secular left in Israel and we will no longer have to listen to such nonsense.
How exactly is plugging an unarmed 13 year old girl with nearly 20 bullets - defense?
I know you said you are an extremist - but is this sanctioned by normative Orthodox Rabbis? I'm sure there are extremist Rabbis out there.
I'm hoping the answer is - "no, this is an extreme position" - I really am.
Peace.
The way you apologize for us defending ourselves is disgusting. Fortunately in 20 years there will be no secular left in Israel and we will no longer have to listen to such nonsense.
Hey Greasy,
How exactly is plugging an unarmed 13 year old girl with nearly 20 bullets – defense?
I know you said you are an extremist – but is this sanctioned by normative Orthodox Rabbis? I’m sure there are extremist Rabbis out there.
I’m hoping the answer is – “no, this is an extreme position” – I really am.
Peace.
The answer is that in war, nations pay the price of the conflict with the lives individuals. Our 5 year old German boy wasn't really innocent, he had inherent guilt simply by being part of the German nation that was waging a genocidal war against the Jewish people.
That's what war is. Like most Pakistanis, you're a softy at heart. I admire that and it will serve you well in the World to Come. But right now we have to live in this world.
I would also like to point out that it was the Palestinians who started the process of targeting civilians, not us. I respect their right to fight for the land that they understandably believe is theirs, but when they deliberately attack Jewish civilians, they should expect for us to target their civilians in return.
I will tell you this, we didn't reclaim sovereignty in our Land after over 1900 years of exile for the purpose of killing Muslims who we had before had such a close friendship with (Arab Christians are a different matter, they have always been our enemies). If the Palestinians want a "clean" war, where civilians aren't deliberately targeted (some civilians on both sides will always get caught in the crossfire), we welcome that.
The way you apologize for us defending ourselves is disgusting. Fortunately in 20 years there will be no secular left in Israel and we will no longer have to listen to such nonsense.
Greasy there is enough space in Judea and Samaria for us to live in peace with Palestinians, a people related to us. The right of return nonsense is not on the table since it is a transparent ploy to destroy the state’s demography by deluging it with Jordanians, Egyptians etc. What’s your view of Naftali?
Israel is a great modern country, and we are leaps ahead in the economic/scientific development scale than many others, certainly in the ME. There is little reason for the Pals to suffer when they can be successfully integrated into the population.
Now I agree with Iffen’s earlier remark that Israel’s claim to statehood stands inferior to none, especially those claimed by other states in the neighbourhood. Even beyond.
Every country has its own record of human rights violations and Israel is not alone in this regard, yet it is incumbent upon us to maintain as spotless a record as we can for all the obvious reasons, humanity not least. Talha’s earlier post on the deep regard and fondness Moroccan Jews have of the king there, speaks to a long history of cordial relations between Muslim and Jew. Its a history which demands continuance in the future.
To Sam the Sham,
The exceptional A. Milchan/M.S.M. maneuvering and selling of the official 9-11 lie (including 19 Arab hijacker responsibility) is the greatest achievement of "maintaining as spotless record as we can for all obvious reasons" in all of modern history. Congratulations!
No doubt, it is scandalous False History upon which POTUS administrations rely upon to continue American support for unnecessary and immoral Zionist wars in the Middle East and North Africa. U.S. citizens are enchanted by watching the cable TV show "Hunting Hitler" while P.M. Netanyahu shines an (illegal) settler spotlight on Palestinians under siege & those who want to come home. Congratulations.
Sam the Sham... my special congratulations on USrael's Great Voodoo-Mnuchin Economic Leap Forward into the 2017 abyss!
The way you apologize for us defending ourselves is disgusting. Fortunately in 20 years there will be no secular left in Israel and we will no longer have to listen to such nonsense.
Germans did not make war on the Jewish people, tho their leaders did rail against the Jewish economic war against Germany.
Nor did Jewish people put their skin or shekels on the line to destroy Germany: they manipulated Russians and Americans to bleed and spend to slake Jewish hatred and benefit Jewish interests.
How exactly is plugging an unarmed 13 year old girl with nearly 20 bullets - defense?
I know you said you are an extremist - but is this sanctioned by normative Orthodox Rabbis? I'm sure there are extremist Rabbis out there.
I'm hoping the answer is - "no, this is an extreme position" - I really am.
Peace.
How was burning a 5 year old German boy alive in Dresden bomb shelter self defense?
The answer is that in war, nations pay the price of the conflict with the lives individuals. Our 5 year old German boy wasn’t really innocent, he had inherent guilt simply by being part of the German nation that was waging a genocidal war against the Jewish people.
That’s what war is. Like most Pakistanis, you’re a softy at heart. I admire that and it will serve you well in the World to Come. But right now we have to live in this world.
I would also like to point out that it was the Palestinians who started the process of targeting civilians, not us. I respect their right to fight for the land that they understandably believe is theirs, but when they deliberately attack Jewish civilians, they should expect for us to target their civilians in return.
I will tell you this, we didn’t reclaim sovereignty in our Land after over 1900 years of exile for the purpose of killing Muslims who we had before had such a close friendship with (Arab Christians are a different matter, they have always been our enemies). If the Palestinians want a “clean” war, where civilians aren’t deliberately targeted (some civilians on both sides will always get caught in the crossfire), we welcome that.
https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/war-criminals-theirs-and-oursLOL! We're usually getting labeled otherwise. We aren't softies - we name our kids after Companions that were known as 'Living Martyrs':
"There was Talhah, bleeding profusely. He had numerous wounds, from sword, spear and arrow. His foot had been cut and he had fallen into a hollow where he lay unconscious. Thereafter, the Prophet (pbuh) said: 'Whoever is pleased to see a man still walking on earth who had completed his span (of life), let him look at Talhah ibn Ubaydallah.' And, whenever Uhud was recalled, Abu Bakr (ra) would say: 'That day, that entire day, belonged to Talhah.'"
http://www.sunnah.org/history/Sahaba/talhah.htmlAnd then name military vehicles after them:
http://www.military-today.com/apc/talha.htmBut there is a difference between warrior saints and those that would kill women and children in cold blood.Not sure; the Stern Gang, Irgun and others who brought a godless, utilitarian fighting ethic into that land are pretty early in the game. Nevertheless, the Palestinians have also succumbed to the same deplorable ethics with indiscriminate attacks and these should be condemned - period. The hadith that forbids the killing of women and children is at the mutawatir level (meaning it is as sound as a verse of the Qur'an). None of the schools allows killing of unarmed women or children even in a battle zone - or even if armed, if they are in retreat. The only ones that dissent are a minority of Malikis that say that the prohibition is so clear cut, that a Muslim warrior has no option but to avoid an armed woman combatant.There will be no victory for them using these methods - God demands higher standards from us in war.Bro, read my earlier post; it is a fact that Muslims allowed Jews to settle in Jerusalem and surrounding areas whenever they took charge of that land despite Christian protestations. If there was an exile for all this time, it was self-imposed - not by us.
"Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church's request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David."
http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htmRead the citation (from an Iraqi Jewish historian) I posted earlier:
“It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik."If you mean sovereignty, that's a total different subject; Muslims pitted their blood and steel against that of the Byzantines, Latins, Mongols and European Empires for sovereignty of that land for 14 centuries* - so I commend that you understand why they would fight for it.We are obligated to observe the rules of warfare as outlined by the prophetic model, irrespective of how Israel conducts their wars. We will be asked about our actions, you will be asked about yours.I personally abhor modern war, it seems to make monsters out of everyone involved. It is a product of the post-religious era of humanity and it is ugly to the core - sure you'll gain this piece of land or that city...you just have to pay with your soul.Peace.*Note: At times, Jews were critical in the defense effort:
"The French forces were unprepared for a further setback and they suffered heavy losses and retreated. Haim Farhi, Jewish advisor to the Pasha and right hand man, played a key role in the city's defense and organized 8,000 to 9,000 of the city's inhabitants to battle against the siege."
http://www.akko.org.il/en/The-Napoleon-Route"On April 20, 1799, Napoleon Bonaparte had an order penned, declaring that when he conquered the territory, Jews, who he called the 'rightful heirs of Palestine,' would inherit the land. France and his army, Napoleon wrote to the Jews in what many today point to as one of the first iterations of modern Zionism, 'offers to you at this very time, and contrary to all expectations, Israel's patrimony.' Haim Farhi, Jezzar Pasha’s advisor, was not, however, wooed by the French general’s promises of Jewish sovereignty in the land of Israel."
http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/This-Week-in-History-Napoleon-is-repelled-from-Acre
Well, I think Engel is mentally deranged.
That's not to disparage persons with mental disorders; such disorders are a terrible affliction.
But Engel spreads his mental derangement. He bills himself as a "scholar" at or for the holocaust museum in Washington, DC; it was his cockamamie theories that the holocaust museum echoed in its reaction to Richard Spencer and the NPI Conference. Those Polish nuns who were my teachers were not long on academic rigor, but they did teach me that it is a grievous sin to spread lies about something or someone.
When those lies result in the destruction of whole nations and people, as did the lies FDR told to incite the American people to go to war in Europe, and then to carry out deliberate firebombing of German civilians and to commit other war crimes and crimes against humanity against the German people, the sin is almost beyond redemption.People like Engel continue, to this day, to excuse; to evade accountability; to attempt to privilege Jews, and to benefit and profit from those crimes.
Are you looking for a discussion on Just War? or the Holocaust?
I’ll reiterate an observation I made many months ago, which is that few if any jews today claim any currency by advancing the Holocaust as a means to gain whatever imagined advantage.
Now if you ask Greasy I’m certain he has a Torah based explanation for it, as well for the final outcome of the calamity wrought upon Europe by WWII.
I am sure the Polish nuns you studied under were pious and gentle souls. There are people, a time and place for everyday piety, but such is not – wasn’t – the provenance, certainly not the duty of the regent or president.
So as far as FDR’s alleged methods are concerned, I’d simply make the observation that he owed no debt nor reason to advance the betterment of any nation other than that of the U.S and her allies; emancipation of peoples of Europe under the Nazi jackboot; claim the mantle of the world’s greatest superpower from HM govt.
That is how I see it and the world which unfolded since has unquestionably advanced economically, seen an end to wars on the European soil and lifted millions out of poverty. It has its moments and events of questionable import, but it is not in my bag of tricks to ask “what could have happened under alternate hypotheticals”.
if you please.
He can’t do that for another reason. Let’s see if he can figure it out.
Those ignorant of history are...
U.S. university-based Hasbara Fellowships just got a big win for their "race"... refer to antiwar.com article, below?
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/02/senate-passes-new-bill-targeting-college-students-who-criticize-israel/
(Note: My U.S. Senator Robert Casey (D.,PA), a Roman Catholic, presented this "round 'em up" bill and only about 1-month ago, he took stage @ Scranton High School with anti-oligarch Bernie Sanders & both stumped for pro-choice & Goldman Sachs Hillary. W.T.F.? Given president-elect Trump's passion for appointing Zionists to key government positions, maybe Senator Casey will get tabbed as US Ambassador to Israel, w/o his having to do a classic Arlen Specter party switcheroo?)
Thanks, that’s generous of you. As for evidence, just look around. My comments apply equally well to goyim…and all one has to do is mention some of the trash that runs for office. They all work pretty hard, and have aptitudes for the jobs, but it takes some particularly scummy characteristics to float to the top.
Yes, of course, so why do you think I can’t support my claims? Anyway, your use of the word, “necessary” is misleading and presenting strawman arguments like that is dishonest.
In my opinion the biggest key, by far, for material success is persistence. In my observations, good fortune is definitely a key and so is the willingness to grab and cultivate every opportunity while keeping one’s options open along with a long time preference. Those who need instant gratification are probably not going to do well either mentally or spiritually, even if they are persistent.
True, but note the key word, “usually.” Please note the obverse of that is that those who incessantly whine about how bad they have it and how badly they’ve been persecuted are usually FoS as well, especially when they have the proverbial world by the tail.
Humans often suck, don’t they? Even the “Chosen,” special ones. I don’t know about the rest of the apes.
Sorry ’bout dat!
If you meant your observation to be equally applicable to goyim, then fine, I applaud your fair-handed approach. Although I don't believe that nepotism, narcissism and sadism [really?] are anywhere nearly as important or pervasive. Furthermore, persistence may be necessary but certainly not sufficient for obvious reasons.
Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience. By those who whine I am fairly sure you are referring to the alleged "jewish Holocaust appeal". I think that is a canard spun by 88's. Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.
So jews have the world by its tail eh?
I don't consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.
“it is incumbent upon us (Israel) to maintain as spotless a (human rights) record as we can for all the obvious reasons, humanity not the least.”
To Sam the Sham,
The exceptional A. Milchan/M.S.M. maneuvering and selling of the official 9-11 lie (including 19 Arab hijacker responsibility) is the greatest achievement of “maintaining as spotless record as we can for all obvious reasons” in all of modern history. Congratulations!
No doubt, it is scandalous False History upon which POTUS administrations rely upon to continue American support for unnecessary and immoral Zionist wars in the Middle East and North Africa. U.S. citizens are enchanted by watching the cable TV show “Hunting Hitler” while P.M. Netanyahu shines an (illegal) settler spotlight on Palestinians under siege & those who want to come home. Congratulations.
Sam the Sham… my special congratulations on USrael’s Great Voodoo-Mnuchin Economic Leap Forward into the 2017 abyss!
Look at it this way, you'll be participating in that leap forward, upgrading your order to the deluxe items at Dunkin's.
Many happy Christmas parties at the Burger King as well.
Interesting read, Sam.
I was intrigued by the explanation put forth for the period 2008-09:
It appears there is some debate over the super cycle hypothesis, however:
Not to beat a dead horse, I still wanted to take one last shot at one of your previous statements:
I think the following revised statement is a more accurate reflection of our respective positions on this topic:
“It was I pointing you in the direction that futures speculation cannot determine long-term spot settlements right at the start, while it was your contention that futures markets for crude oil were primarily influenced by speculation, not fundamental structural factors.”
Given this clarification, would you still take issue with it?
Back on May 20, 2008, Michael W. Masters (Managing Member / Portfolio Manager Masters Capital Management, LLC) testified on the topic of “Ending Excessive Speculation in Commodity Markets,” before the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.
Here are a few excerpts from that testimony:
From Wiki:
The hapless Kurds keep falling for this every few years.
Those ignorant of history are…
“Cairo, 5-27-1922: The last hope of 30,000 Arabs to win freedom for their race w/o further bloodshed vanished when cables fro Washington announced the U.S. had concluded an agreement with Great Britain.”
U.S. university-based Hasbara Fellowships just got a big win for their “race”… refer to antiwar.com article, below?
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/02/senate-passes-new-bill-targeting-college-students-who-criticize-israel/
(Note: My U.S. Senator Robert Casey (D.,PA), a Roman Catholic, presented this “round ‘em up” bill and only about 1-month ago, he took stage @ Scranton High School with anti-oligarch Bernie Sanders & both stumped for pro-choice & Goldman Sachs Hillary. W.T.F.? Given president-elect Trump’s passion for appointing Zionists to key government positions, maybe Senator Casey will get tabbed as US Ambassador to Israel, w/o his having to do a classic Arlen Specter party switcheroo?)
I was intrigued by the explanation put forth for the period 2008-09:It appears there is some debate over the super cycle hypothesis, however:Not to beat a dead horse, I still wanted to take one last shot at one of your previous statements:I think the following revised statement is a more accurate reflection of our respective positions on this topic:
"It was I pointing you in the direction that futures speculation cannot determine long-term spot settlements right at the start, while it was your contention that futures markets for crude oil were primarily influenced by speculation, not fundamental structural factors."
Given this clarification, would you still take issue with it?
I finally got the opportunity to read this article. It spurred me to do a little more research of my own, however, and I came across the following interesting information.
Back on May 20, 2008, Michael W. Masters (Managing Member / Portfolio Manager Masters Capital Management, LLC) testified on the topic of “Ending Excessive Speculation in Commodity Markets,” before the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.
Here are a few excerpts from that testimony:
The fact that FDR found it necessary to lie in order to gain the acquiescence of the American people to engage in a war in Europe is an irrefutable indicator that there was no cause for a US war against Germany; no casus belli existed.
FDR’s actions were a fundamental betrayal and subversion of the American people and the American Constitutional compact.
The “unquestionable economic advance” of some people as an outcome of FDR’s (and associated Jews and British, in league with Bolsheviks) actions came at the cost of the world’s most destructive episode of violence and destruction; it was stolen prosperity. Jean Valjean was imprisoned for stealing bread; how much more should a civilized world recoil at having acquired “unquestionable economic advance” at the cost of mass killing, rape, and physical and psychological terror?
If FDR could lead the USA to carry out such acts, isn’t every other state, and community, and group, and family, and individual equally entitled to lie, kill, and steal because those acts will bring about their “unquestionable economic advance?”
What about the people who are killed, and from whom goods are stolen, who are raped, and whose homes, cities, and heritage are destroyed? What rights do they have? Did they achieve “unquestionable economic advance?”
Because the American people do not understand that their economic good times were stolen — worse than that: they were acquired by mass murder and looting — they do not comprehend that such times will not come again through what they think of as a reward for their “hard work” and “Yankee know-how” and even divine right. They don’t understand karma. The USA is too young, and too relatively unscathed by the kinds of violence it has delivered to others, to recognize that it cannot continue to live a life of crime.
From the perspective of US government, Trump (and other leaders of states in the world, most notably Israeli leaders) are following in FDR’s footsteps: FDR began to prepare for war against Germany within weeks of his oath of office in 1933 — well before any German Jew had been harmed by the German government. He did so for a number of reasons, not the least of which was desperation in the face of a failing US economy. The war drums against Iran are sounded for similar reasons: Trump needs a war to boost the US economy, and Iran is a convenient scapegoat — truly a Judas goat.
I find your moral position odious, Sam, and that of your more extremist co-religionist even more outrageous: Greasy is living in and by the tribal ‘rules’ of a time before civilization. As a citizen who has made the deal with my government to cede the right to kill another, in exchange for the state’s protection, I think it only reasonable, in fact, necessary, to demand that the State kill people with pre-civilizational ideation such as Greasy Williams: he and his kind are a danger to society; they have announced their murderous intentions, and their prior acts demonstrate that they are not just talk: they have carried out the deadly acts they promise to commit again. Decent people have a right to be protected from mad actors like Greasy, and their governments have an obligation to provide that protection.
Why is your morality so selective? Did Mein Kampf leave any doubts in your mind as to what Hitler's plans for Europe were? My G'd man, e.g., his plan for Austria was laid out in the very opening pages!
Those ignorant of history are...
Thanks for that; it’s one I hadn’t heard of.
The list of such things by the US government is pretty shocking. The politicos even betrayed the soldiers who fought the war of independence from GB, the Filipinos who fought for their independence, and the their WW1 allies, the Japanese to name 3 other significant bits of largely unknown US history.
U.S. university-based Hasbara Fellowships just got a big win for their "race"... refer to antiwar.com article, below?
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/02/senate-passes-new-bill-targeting-college-students-who-criticize-israel/
(Note: My U.S. Senator Robert Casey (D.,PA), a Roman Catholic, presented this "round 'em up" bill and only about 1-month ago, he took stage @ Scranton High School with anti-oligarch Bernie Sanders & both stumped for pro-choice & Goldman Sachs Hillary. W.T.F.? Given president-elect Trump's passion for appointing Zionists to key government positions, maybe Senator Casey will get tabbed as US Ambassador to Israel, w/o his having to do a classic Arlen Specter party switcheroo?)
It just keeps getting worse.
Given his recent ecstasy on how "U.S. workers" rose to elect Donald Trump, are you following the strange matter of Paul Craig Roberts having made an open appeal for Russian citizenship? I hope such move is to help V. Putin wage battle against Atlanticist Integrationists, but that's pretty much "pie-in-the-sky." Must keep faith P.C.R.'s not running for life and I do not mean his running for "Breast cancer awareness."
Recall how Jesse Ventura touched multiple "Deep State" Third Rails and departed for Mexico?
As you might know, Jesse the Body authored quite a daring book on the JFK assassination
Finally, did you read SolontoCroesus terrific comment # 290? Shazam! He's definitely not saving telling the truth for later, and I hope Paul Craig Roberts takes heart with regard to whatever motivates him to date.
Thank you... Good night.
Back on May 20, 2008, Michael W. Masters (Managing Member / Portfolio Manager Masters Capital Management, LLC) testified on the topic of “Ending Excessive Speculation in Commodity Markets,” before the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.
Here are a few excerpts from that testimony:
Last one and I’m done.
Are these sources credible enough, Sam?
“… keeps getting worse.”
Given his recent ecstasy on how “U.S. workers” rose to elect Donald Trump, are you following the strange matter of Paul Craig Roberts having made an open appeal for Russian citizenship? I hope such move is to help V. Putin wage battle against Atlanticist Integrationists, but that’s pretty much “pie-in-the-sky.” Must keep faith P.C.R.’s not running for life and I do not mean his running for “Breast cancer awareness.”
Recall how Jesse Ventura touched multiple “Deep State” Third Rails and departed for Mexico?
As you might know, Jesse the Body authored quite a daring book on the JFK assassination
Finally, did you read SolontoCroesus terrific comment # 290? Shazam! He’s definitely not saving telling the truth for later, and I hope Paul Craig Roberts takes heart with regard to whatever motivates him to date.
Thank you… Good night.
To Sam the Sham,
The exceptional A. Milchan/M.S.M. maneuvering and selling of the official 9-11 lie (including 19 Arab hijacker responsibility) is the greatest achievement of "maintaining as spotless record as we can for all obvious reasons" in all of modern history. Congratulations!
No doubt, it is scandalous False History upon which POTUS administrations rely upon to continue American support for unnecessary and immoral Zionist wars in the Middle East and North Africa. U.S. citizens are enchanted by watching the cable TV show "Hunting Hitler" while P.M. Netanyahu shines an (illegal) settler spotlight on Palestinians under siege & those who want to come home. Congratulations.
Sam the Sham... my special congratulations on USrael's Great Voodoo-Mnuchin Economic Leap Forward into the 2017 abyss!
[my special congratulations on USrael’s Great Voodoo-Mnuchin Economic Leap Forward into the 2017 abyss!]
Look at it this way, you’ll be participating in that leap forward, upgrading your order to the deluxe items at Dunkin’s.
Many happy Christmas parties at the Burger King as well.
Back on May 20, 2008, Michael W. Masters (Managing Member / Portfolio Manager Masters Capital Management, LLC) testified on the topic of “Ending Excessive Speculation in Commodity Markets,” before the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.
Here are a few excerpts from that testimony:
Yes, excessive speculation has always been a problem in the oil markets.
Your morality is selective and vilifies FDR, Jews and the British, when in truth Hitler had by the time America entered the war caused widespread mayhem. To your Dresden Feb 13-18 1945, I reply with Belgrade April 6-9 1941, etc. etc.
Why is your morality so selective? Did Mein Kampf leave any doubts in your mind as to what Hitler’s plans for Europe were? My G’d man, e.g., his plan for Austria was laid out in the very opening pages!
The answer is that in war, nations pay the price of the conflict with the lives individuals. Our 5 year old German boy wasn't really innocent, he had inherent guilt simply by being part of the German nation that was waging a genocidal war against the Jewish people.
That's what war is. Like most Pakistanis, you're a softy at heart. I admire that and it will serve you well in the World to Come. But right now we have to live in this world.
I would also like to point out that it was the Palestinians who started the process of targeting civilians, not us. I respect their right to fight for the land that they understandably believe is theirs, but when they deliberately attack Jewish civilians, they should expect for us to target their civilians in return.
I will tell you this, we didn't reclaim sovereignty in our Land after over 1900 years of exile for the purpose of killing Muslims who we had before had such a close friendship with (Arab Christians are a different matter, they have always been our enemies). If the Palestinians want a "clean" war, where civilians aren't deliberately targeted (some civilians on both sides will always get caught in the crossfire), we welcome that.
Hey Greasy,
What happened to Dresden (and Tokyo and Kobe, etc.) is morally indefensible. Those that carried out those acts knew it:
“I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal. Fortunately, we were on the winning side.” – Gen. Curtis Lemay
https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/war-criminals-theirs-and-ours
LOL! We’re usually getting labeled otherwise. We aren’t softies – we name our kids after Companions that were known as ‘Living Martyrs’:
“There was Talhah, bleeding profusely. He had numerous wounds, from sword, spear and arrow. His foot had been cut and he had fallen into a hollow where he lay unconscious. Thereafter, the Prophet (pbuh) said: ‘Whoever is pleased to see a man still walking on earth who had completed his span (of life), let him look at Talhah ibn Ubaydallah.’ And, whenever Uhud was recalled, Abu Bakr (ra) would say: ‘That day, that entire day, belonged to Talhah.’”
http://www.sunnah.org/history/Sahaba/talhah.html
And then name military vehicles after them:
http://www.military-today.com/apc/talha.htm
But there is a difference between warrior saints and those that would kill women and children in cold blood.
Not sure; the Stern Gang, Irgun and others who brought a godless, utilitarian fighting ethic into that land are pretty early in the game. Nevertheless, the Palestinians have also succumbed to the same deplorable ethics with indiscriminate attacks and these should be condemned – period. The hadith that forbids the killing of women and children is at the mutawatir level (meaning it is as sound as a verse of the Qur’an). None of the schools allows killing of unarmed women or children even in a battle zone – or even if armed, if they are in retreat. The only ones that dissent are a minority of Malikis that say that the prohibition is so clear cut, that a Muslim warrior has no option but to avoid an armed woman combatant.
There will be no victory for them using these methods – God demands higher standards from us in war.
Bro, read my earlier post; it is a fact that Muslims allowed Jews to settle in Jerusalem and surrounding areas whenever they took charge of that land despite Christian protestations. If there was an exile for all this time, it was self-imposed – not by us.
“Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church’s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.”
http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm
Read the citation (from an Iraqi Jewish historian) I posted earlier:
“It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik.”
If you mean sovereignty, that’s a total different subject; Muslims pitted their blood and steel against that of the Byzantines, Latins, Mongols and European Empires for sovereignty of that land for 14 centuries* – so I commend that you understand why they would fight for it.
We are obligated to observe the rules of warfare as outlined by the prophetic model, irrespective of how Israel conducts their wars. We will be asked about our actions, you will be asked about yours.
I personally abhor modern war, it seems to make monsters out of everyone involved. It is a product of the post-religious era of humanity and it is ugly to the core – sure you’ll gain this piece of land or that city…you just have to pay with your soul.
Peace.
*Note: At times, Jews were critical in the defense effort:
“The French forces were unprepared for a further setback and they suffered heavy losses and retreated. Haim Farhi, Jewish advisor to the Pasha and right hand man, played a key role in the city’s defense and organized 8,000 to 9,000 of the city’s inhabitants to battle against the siege.”
http://www.akko.org.il/en/The-Napoleon-Route
“On April 20, 1799, Napoleon Bonaparte had an order penned, declaring that when he conquered the territory, Jews, who he called the ‘rightful heirs of Palestine,’ would inherit the land. France and his army, Napoleon wrote to the Jews in what many today point to as one of the first iterations of modern Zionism, ‘offers to you at this very time, and contrary to all expectations, Israel’s patrimony.’ Haim Farhi, Jezzar Pasha’s advisor, was not, however, wooed by the French general’s promises of Jewish sovereignty in the land of Israel.”
http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/This-Week-in-History-Napoleon-is-repelled-from-Acre
If the biggest key for material success is persistence why dilute that factor with: “…at a minimum it reflects cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism and probably a bit of sadism as well.” ?
If you meant your observation to be equally applicable to goyim, then fine, I applaud your fair-handed approach. Although I don’t believe that nepotism, narcissism and sadism [really?] are anywhere nearly as important or pervasive. Furthermore, persistence may be necessary but certainly not sufficient for obvious reasons.
Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience. By those who whine I am fairly sure you are referring to the alleged “jewish Holocaust appeal”. I think that is a canard spun by 88′s. Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.
So jews have the world by its tail eh?
I don’t consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.
Sasson's book detailed her hatred of her mother, which she resolved by leaving her home in USA and enlisting in IDF. There, while training with young Jewish men who spoke frequently of their eagerness to "kill Palestinians," she found a sense of belonging.
Like most such authors, Sasson has a canned speech for book events. In her speech, Sasson relates and repeats that "Israelis are hard to get along with; they are resentful of the success of everybody else."
Poor Sam Shama has spent too much time around Jews like the resentful Israelis of Sasson's memoir; he needs to experience a little diversity; get out among the goyim to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully.
Get this Sam the Sham? Good news!
The Dunkin' Donuts Radicals (Central Committee) is arranging hotel accommodations for our New Years Eve party guest speaker... Alan Sobrosky.
The local J.C.C. banquet room sort of has us "by the tail" and wants too much $ per person, so we are looking at Scranton's Salvation Army Church to host this event.
Will keep you posted, the Sham. Oh man, can you believe D.D.R. was a pussy riot hair away from booking Roger Waters for entertainment!
Thank you.
3000 propagandist inserted by USA in the local and foreign media have polluted your psychology beyond repair. Your psychology is immature, cocksure and gullible who desperately wants to believe the empire’s lies hoping this time you would be vindicated . Iran is the country that was chosen before Iraq war for destruction. Emotionally stupefying “Axis of Evil” offered the mentally deficient an intellectual hatch escape to declare war on an poorly armed nonnuclear country peaceful but ossified nation but got delayed in the deserts post 2003.
Iraq war has chastened most of those mentally deficient common folks but not those who sport US flag to hide their penchant for destruction-living and nonliving for the fun of watching an inferno.
If you meant your observation to be equally applicable to goyim, then fine, I applaud your fair-handed approach. Although I don't believe that nepotism, narcissism and sadism [really?] are anywhere nearly as important or pervasive. Furthermore, persistence may be necessary but certainly not sufficient for obvious reasons.
Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience. By those who whine I am fairly sure you are referring to the alleged "jewish Holocaust appeal". I think that is a canard spun by 88's. Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.
So jews have the world by its tail eh?
I don't consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.
Sorry, Sam. I have to respond whenever the needle on the lie detector approaches the red zone. Here’s a previous comment that refutes your claim about “… encouraging others to do the same…”:
If you meant your observation to be equally applicable to goyim, then fine, I applaud your fair-handed approach. Although I don't believe that nepotism, narcissism and sadism [really?] are anywhere nearly as important or pervasive. Furthermore, persistence may be necessary but certainly not sufficient for obvious reasons.
Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience. By those who whine I am fairly sure you are referring to the alleged "jewish Holocaust appeal". I think that is a canard spun by 88's. Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.
So jews have the world by its tail eh?
I don't consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.
Dorit Sasson produced one of the most disgusting books in a long, long history of wastage of trees by Jewish whiners.
Sasson’s book detailed her hatred of her mother, which she resolved by leaving her home in USA and enlisting in IDF. There, while training with young Jewish men who spoke frequently of their eagerness to “kill Palestinians,” she found a sense of belonging.
Like most such authors, Sasson has a canned speech for book events. In her speech, Sasson relates and repeats that “Israelis are hard to get along with; they are resentful of the success of everybody else.”
Poor Sam Shama has spent too much time around Jews like the resentful Israelis of Sasson’s memoir; he needs to experience a little diversity; get out among the goyim to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully.
LOL. You don't know me, for if you did, you wouldn't make that comment. I work and live among goyim, not that I think of them as 'goyim'; Most of my friends are Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. I socialise with them; I date a Christian girl; I go to Christmas parties.
Speaking of whining, why am I constantly assaulted by a sound which can only be described as a monotonic whine, when I speak with you chaps?
Have your lives been overtaken by an obsession?
A bit OT. I just wanted to get Sam’s and iffen’s reaction to this new legislation – i.e., whether they support it:
1) I support religious freedom and separation of church and state. I am opposed to government intervention in the religious market to choose winners and losers.
2) This demonstrates the value of having a good Lobby/lobby.
3) If you go back to college, you may need to keep quiet.
"Again, you’re looking to restrict my speech," says Geller. "You don’t like the way I am doing something. Well I don’t like the way you’re doing things, but I would never look to change it, ever."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/05/pamela_geller_vs_foxs_maccallum_youre_looking_to_restrict_my_free_speech_maccallum_nobodys_looking_to_restrict_your_speech.htmlTranslation: "Waaaah! Waaaah! Political Islam is different than political Judaism!"Free speech is a b* - isn't it Geller?Peace.
iffen’s reaction to this new legislation – i.e., whether they support it
1) I support religious freedom and separation of church and state. I am opposed to government intervention in the religious market to choose winners and losers.
2) This demonstrates the value of having a good Lobby/lobby.
3) If you go back to college, you may need to keep quiet.
If you meant your observation to be equally applicable to goyim, then fine, I applaud your fair-handed approach. Although I don't believe that nepotism, narcissism and sadism [really?] are anywhere nearly as important or pervasive. Furthermore, persistence may be necessary but certainly not sufficient for obvious reasons.
Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience. By those who whine I am fairly sure you are referring to the alleged "jewish Holocaust appeal". I think that is a canard spun by 88's. Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.
So jews have the world by its tail eh?
I don't consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.
“So Jews have the world by it’s tail, eh?”
Get this Sam the Sham? Good news!
The Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals (Central Committee) is arranging hotel accommodations for our New Years Eve party guest speaker… Alan Sobrosky.
The local J.C.C. banquet room sort of has us “by the tail” and wants too much $ per person, so we are looking at Scranton’s Salvation Army Church to host this event.
Will keep you posted, the Sham. Oh man, can you believe D.D.R. was a pussy riot hair away from booking Roger Waters for entertainment!
Thank you.
Hey Geo,
Wow – just wow!
“This is political Islam seeking to impose restrictions on free speech…”
“Again, you’re looking to restrict my speech,” says Geller. “You don’t like the way I am doing something. Well I don’t like the way you’re doing things, but I would never look to change it, ever.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/05/pamela_geller_vs_foxs_maccallum_youre_looking_to_restrict_my_free_speech_maccallum_nobodys_looking_to_restrict_your_speech.html
Translation: “Waaaah! Waaaah! Political Islam is different than political Judaism!”
Free speech is a b* – isn’t it Geller?
Peace.
"In Iran, five seats in parliament are reserved for recognized religious minorities — one for a Jew, two for Christians and two for Zoroastrians."
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-iranian-mp-lauds-countrys-religious-freedom/Pakistan even had a Catholic Chief Justice, the Hon. Alvin Cornelius, who actually advocated implementation of Shariah as a means to guard 'natural law' against abuses of government and
"The thinker at issue is the eminent Catholic Pakistani judge A. R. Cornelius, who served on Pakistan’s Supreme Court during that country’s post-independence slide into authoritarianism and who died in 1991. Once skeptical about arguments that Pakistan’s law should be self-consciously measured against Islamic norms, Cornelius lived through the establishment of secular military dictatorship. As I will explain, he came to believe that Islamization might be a necessary precondition for the reestablishment of the liberal rule of law in Pakistan....Thus, the rise of popular piety and governmental programs to Islamize society have undoubtedly led to illiberal treatment of people and human rights abuses in Pakistan and Egypt. At the same time, however, liberal judges in both countries have been able to develop Islamic arguments both
to forestall abuses by secular government and, more intriguingly, to resist abuses carried out by citizens or government officials claiming to be acting according to 'Islamic' principles."
http://ir.stthomas.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1237&context=ustljVery complicated stuff - but someone looking at it has to divorce preconceptions stemming from European models as being the benchmark.As far as other concerns...
#1 - We are on the same page here.
#2 - As far as I can see it doesn't want any unfriendly government around it with reasonable rival military projection powers and will help or advocate to destabilize any governments that fit that bill - innocent life does not seem a concern of theirs. Of course, it can backfire - Syria now probably sports the most battle-hardened and capable Arab army of the entire region by trial-of-fire. I don't agree with the opinion that things would simply be the same without Israel around. One of the goals of Neocon planners in their policies is how to set up the ME in Israel's favor or to maintain its dominance.
#3 - No - the extremist conflict in Islam flares up from time to time and goes back to the time of the Khawarij - I would never blame Israel for that. In fact, J. Rujevsky gave me the third degree for not agreeing with him that existence of extremist strains in Islam is simply Zionist propaganda. But what I do blame them for is a couple of things; a) stoking and using extremist strains for their policies (that includes their influence in the US gov't to help arm or otherwise politically support them):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/?utm_term=.eb8a3b39f7b0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/19/israeli-defense-minister-if-i-had-to-choose-between-iran-and-isis-id-choose-isis/?utm_term=.02984bb1a28ab) I have been watching the anti-Islam propaganda evolve since the 90's. It has gotten progressively pernicious and more well-funded. People like David Horowitz, Geller, and others crank it out 24/7 and get media coverage all the time. And again, this is not your academic criticism of Islam from the likes of the late Louis Massignon, etc. - it is full-fledged lies and utter distortion of our history - as you've seen me challenge on this forum. It's connected at the hip with Zionism:
"Shillman said he remains a director of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, whose Jihad Watch website helped organize the cartoon event in a Dallas suburb with activist Pamela Geller’s American Freedom Defense Initiative...His Shillman Foundation has funded a number of conservative and pro-Israeli groups, including the Zionist Organization of America. The ZOA has targeted both academics it perceives have been teaching anti-Israel doctrine and Palestine student groups accused of intimidating Jewish students on U.S. campuses, including a campaign at Shillman’s alma mater, Northeastern University in Boston."
http://forward.com/news/307903/the-tech-mogul-who-funds-pamela-gellers-anti-islam-push/"Well imagine no more, Loonwatch has gone digging and sure enough, Robert Spencer, a long discredited anti-Muslim hatemonger posing as an 'Islam scholar' has shown his scholarly objective ways with the heinously named URL’s 'fuckallah.com and 'fuckislam.com' redirecting to his cesspool of subjectivity, the David Horowitz funded hate blog, Jihadwatch.org."
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/loonwatch-exclusive-robert-spencers-fkallahcom-fkislamcom/And Spencer is getting interviews in MSM as an expert on Islam - what the hell?So no, Israel and Zionists do not get off so easy on that score. That to me is more vile than a back and forth over some pieces of territory in the Levant. You have to understand my perspective on this anti-Islam stuff; this is about salvation - afterlife. Their political machinations are getting in people's way of being able to discern the truth of Islam and decide whether they like it or reject it based on what it actually says. To me this is beyond petty things like discomfort of Muslims in the US - we will just have to be patient and tough it out - but they are toying with people's souls - this is unforgivable.Peace.
Also, remember that the Brits helped the Saudis (with their Wahhabi allies) come to power and take control of the Hijaz and the oil fields.
We couldn’t even say that they drew the lines with one eye on their own economic interests, we would have to say that they did it with both eyes wide open.
During the Viet Nam era, I remember when I first came to understand that we had acquiesced in helping France re-establish control of her colonial empire. One of the first chinks in the armor that I faced up to. Of course there was the Cold War factor that mitigated it somewhat.
Which is why it is difficult for me to avoid blaming the actions of the Muslims at the time. Britain wanted to completely crush a rival empire - the Ottomans - and drive the nails in its coffin that was definitely a primary economic interest* of theirs. Can you imagine the powerhouse that Turkey would currently be with the oil fields of Iraq and Saudi in its grasp and the population including those of the Levant through Egypt? That's what empires do to each other - no harm, no foul.Racist! ;)
We are an empire in all but name - the first sign is our navy. Anybody who has studied military history (even on a surface level) knows it is not meant for defense.
Peace.
*Note: The British gave the French hell in Egypt and destroyed their fleet - decisively helping the Ottomans against Napoleon's invasion which was based on securing French trade interests in the ME.
1) I support religious freedom and separation of church and state. I am opposed to government intervention in the religious market to choose winners and losers.
2) This demonstrates the value of having a good Lobby/lobby.
3) If you go back to college, you may need to keep quiet.
Understood your first two points, iffen. I was hoping you could elaborate a bit on your third – i.e., is it a good thing or a bad thing that I need to stay quiet if I returned to college?
I don't have the patience that Sam demonstrates dealing with all of this sophistry and playing dumb.
So, just this one time: It is a bad thing.
1. Is it your argument, Sam, that written words comprise a casus belli?
Here’s what I was able to find of Hitler’s comments about Austria in the “very opening pages” of Mein Kampf. As we know, Hitler was born in Austria, so the very first chapter of MK relates the good fortune of his birth in Austria, the beauty of that place. Nevertheless, he hero-worshipped Bismark and the Bismarkian Empire, and held the :
and again
Next, Hitler mentions the Hapsburg empire, hated by most of it component parts, not least by Italians, whose aspirations for nationhood and unity were thwarted by the Austrian Hapsburg monarchs.
SIDENOTE: It’s become fashionable to sling about the word, Fascism, as a slur upon anyone who disagrees with the speaker’s pov. Like most other ad hominems, this inapt usage of “Fascism” reflects a profound ignorance of history. The Italian people saw in Fascism a means to achieve national unity and prosperity. An obscure volume published in 1919 and titled, The holocaust : Italy’s struggle with the Hapsburg, author A A Pons details the struggles and the heroes who valued Italian language, culture and nationhood and, like Hitler and German nationals in Austria, worked persistently for their independence from Hapsburg domination.
Back to Hitler’s “My G’d man . . . plan for Austria!” —
Hitler continues in this vein, valorizing German nationalism, bemoaning the suffering of ethnic Germans in separated Austria, reminding readers — and Germans — of the importance of their shared history as a common bond, more important than economic advances — Hitler believed that national unity was of primary importance and the source of shared prosperity, not the other way around. Maybe Hitler’s, and the German people’s, dedication to national unity rather than wealth generation is the source of Sam Shama’s exclamatory appeal to the g_ds: it’s a matter of what one considers most important in life, isn’t it? It’s worth noting that among the “western values” imposed on the German people through psychological warfare over a decade-long period after the war, were the attitudes of “capitalism and consumerism.” 9,000 German Jewish teenagers were trained at Fort Ritchie, Maryland, to carry out those and other acts of psychological warfare and propaganda against the German people. It is alleged that it was at Fort Ritchie that “U.S. Psychological Warfare Dept. SHAEF Brigidier General C.D. Jackson, a lifelong OSS/CIA strategist helped launch the Nazi gassing meme at Nuremburg using creative Hollywood film editing,” an assertion validated in the writings of Cora Sol Goldstein in “Capturing the German Eye.”
oops, I’ve wandered off-topic; where were we?
Oh, yes — “My G’d man, e.g., his [Adolf Hitler's] plan for Austria was laid out in the very opening pages!”
Indeed.
All that Jew-killing and gas chambering and world conquering and spreading godless something-or-other over all the earth — laid out right there in the very opening pages of Mein Kampf, a piece of writing encouraged and financed by a friend and lunch-companion of Franklin Roosevelt, who went on to provide financial support to Hitler and to join the Nazi party before repairing to Washington, DC, to keep FDR’s administration informed on the activities of the NSDAP.
But Hitler was a crafty fellow: you see, he concealed all his Jew-killing and gas chambering and world-conquering in code words, like “nationalism,” and “German national unity.”
If that’s not a casus belli I don’t know what is.
Although, http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/iranophobes-on-parade/#comment-1669110 and
http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/iranophobes-on-parade/#comment-1671133 use words to spell out something like a plan to carry out violent acts.
(Sam — Your first point will be taken up in a later comment.)
is it a good thing or a bad thing that I need to stay quiet if I returned to college
I don’t have the patience that Sam demonstrates dealing with all of this sophistry and playing dumb.
So, just this one time: It is a bad thing.
I don’t care a whit what you or anyone else thinks about this issue. I call it the way I see it practised by my friends and community. ADL does not speak for all jews on all subjects. I think you need to give your Hellenic passion for the truth thing a bit of a rest. Humans are flawed, and no one is an exception.
That's why I haven't forgotten that you didn't bother responding to the query I put to you in comment #152:I take it that your silence is a tacit indication that like Madalaine Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), you think the price is worth it.
Now I know why you hesitate to admit that logic and reasoning do indeed form the foundations of moral principles. You would be caught in the contradiction of supporting actions that benefit Jews at the expense of the goy.
I think that you subsribe to the underlying Zionist logic that says "look, what we are doing is no worse than what your forefathers did with the indigenous peoples of NA. Give us a bit of time to resolve this issue, as you did, and we will once again be at the vanguard of movements fighting for truth and justice. We will once again embrace our destiny to bring tikkun olam to the world.
Do you recall the story of MP Gerald Kaufman. I noted, in a previous post, his exemplary behavior when he denounced the actions of the Zionist project in the British House of Commons. Even though his relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA.
Do you recall how you responded, Sam?
"Kaufman is a mensch, someone to emulate. People like him are few and far between."
I'll leave you with one more story taken from the Hellenic past. Do you recall the story of Diogenes? He would be strolling the streets of Athens carrying a lantern during broad daylight. One day an Athenian stopped him and enquirer about the purpose of the lantern, to which Diogenes responded: "I'm looking for one honest person."
... and I'm on the constant lookout for a modern-day mensch.
We couldn't even say that they drew the lines with one eye on their own economic interests, we would have to say that they did it with both eyes wide open.
During the Viet Nam era, I remember when I first came to understand that we had acquiesced in helping France re-establish control of her colonial empire. One of the first chinks in the armor that I faced up to. Of course there was the Cold War factor that mitigated it somewhat.
Hey iffen,
Which is why it is difficult for me to avoid blaming the actions of the Muslims at the time. Britain wanted to completely crush a rival empire – the Ottomans – and drive the nails in its coffin that was definitely a primary economic interest* of theirs. Can you imagine the powerhouse that Turkey would currently be with the oil fields of Iraq and Saudi in its grasp and the population including those of the Levant through Egypt? That’s what empires do to each other – no harm, no foul.
Racist!
We are an empire in all but name – the first sign is our navy. Anybody who has studied military history (even on a surface level) knows it is not meant for defense.
Peace.
*Note: The British gave the French hell in Egypt and destroyed their fleet – decisively helping the Ottomans against Napoleon’s invasion which was based on securing French trade interests in the ME.
I am not competent on the subject, but it seems to me that the Turks did not have the will or ability to keep their empire up and running. It looks to me like they could easily have trouble keeping Turkey together.
Chink. Good one. :)
Sasson's book detailed her hatred of her mother, which she resolved by leaving her home in USA and enlisting in IDF. There, while training with young Jewish men who spoke frequently of their eagerness to "kill Palestinians," she found a sense of belonging.
Like most such authors, Sasson has a canned speech for book events. In her speech, Sasson relates and repeats that "Israelis are hard to get along with; they are resentful of the success of everybody else."
Poor Sam Shama has spent too much time around Jews like the resentful Israelis of Sasson's memoir; he needs to experience a little diversity; get out among the goyim to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully.
[Poor Sam Shama has spent too much time around Jews like the resentful Israelis of Sasson’s memoir; he needs to experience a little diversity; get out among the goyim to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully.]
LOL. You don’t know me, for if you did, you wouldn’t make that comment. I work and live among goyim, not that I think of them as ‘goyim’; Most of my friends are Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. I socialise with them; I date a Christian girl; I go to Christmas parties.
Speaking of whining, why am I constantly assaulted by a sound which can only be described as a monotonic whine, when I speak with you chaps?
Have your lives been overtaken by an obsession?
Fortunately, less than 1% of the 88% are 88s. :)
Such is self-evident from your idiotic, intellectually dishonest posts.
Why is your morality so selective? Did Mein Kampf leave any doubts in your mind as to what Hitler's plans for Europe were? My G'd man, e.g., his plan for Austria was laid out in the very opening pages!
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ADDENDUM
(before Sam takes the opportunity to accuse S2C of willful blindness, cherry picking, Hitler-worship and pro-Nazi tendencies —)
THE SMOKING GUN:
Hitler’s plans for Austria, in the first part of Mein Kampf, man!
Although Herr Hitler does not state in precise words that it was the destruction of the Austrian state that was required and that was his passion, it is reasonable to assume that that is what was intended, since he expressed his “love” for the Austrian homeland, but his “hatred” for the Austrian state.
As noted earlier, with the reference to A A Pons’ work, Holocaust: Italy’s Struggle with the Hapsburg, Italian leaders, patriots and people shared Hitler’s hatred of the Austrian state (monarchy) and sought to extirpate Italy from Austrian domination, so anti-Austrian state sentiment was not unique to Germany, Hitler, or the NSDAP. Maybe it was something about the Hapsburg monarchy that was objected to by people with an intellectual tradition of republicanism (i.e. Machiavelli wrote powerfully of the demand for republican government in Florence; and Machiavelli developed his theories of republicanism through his visits to orderly and well-protected German states) ?
LOL. You don't know me, for if you did, you wouldn't make that comment. I work and live among goyim, not that I think of them as 'goyim'; Most of my friends are Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. I socialise with them; I date a Christian girl; I go to Christmas parties.
Speaking of whining, why am I constantly assaulted by a sound which can only be described as a monotonic whine, when I speak with you chaps?
Have your lives been overtaken by an obsession?
to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully
Fortunately, less than 1% of the 88% are 88s.
Which is why it is difficult for me to avoid blaming the actions of the Muslims at the time. Britain wanted to completely crush a rival empire - the Ottomans - and drive the nails in its coffin that was definitely a primary economic interest* of theirs. Can you imagine the powerhouse that Turkey would currently be with the oil fields of Iraq and Saudi in its grasp and the population including those of the Levant through Egypt? That's what empires do to each other - no harm, no foul.Racist! ;)
We are an empire in all but name - the first sign is our navy. Anybody who has studied military history (even on a surface level) knows it is not meant for defense.
Peace.
*Note: The British gave the French hell in Egypt and destroyed their fleet - decisively helping the Ottomans against Napoleon's invasion which was based on securing French trade interests in the ME.
you imagine the powerhouse that Turkey would currently be
I am not competent on the subject, but it seems to me that the Turks did not have the will or ability to keep their empire up and running. It looks to me like they could easily have trouble keeping Turkey together.
Chink. Good one.
LOL. You don't know me, for if you did, you wouldn't make that comment. I work and live among goyim, not that I think of them as 'goyim'; Most of my friends are Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. I socialise with them; I date a Christian girl; I go to Christmas parties.
Speaking of whining, why am I constantly assaulted by a sound which can only be described as a monotonic whine, when I speak with you chaps?
Have your lives been overtaken by an obsession?
Shama:
Even if all this is true, it does not change the fact that you are a zionist liar, and a jew supremacist tribalist.
Such is self-evident from your idiotic, intellectually dishonest posts.
I, too, have a circle of friends that includes Jews, Muslims, Iranians, Japanese, Chinese, and my dear Nigerian friend who is multilingual and makes fun of me when I try to learn basic Italian. I belong to a German Sister city organization (that disappoints me in that they're more about parliamentary procedure than actually celebrating German ethnicity and culture, although Christmas is a splendid celebration with some of the most touching relics of German heritage that one can imagine).
I don't think there's much to be gained from personal attacks on Jews -- or Muslims, nor Iranians and especially not Italians: this latter is because Italians are notoriously mean to one another -- a fabled saying for a Genoese is "Better death in the room than a Pisan at the door." On the other hand, because da Jooish holocaust has taken so much oxygen out of the air, demanding always like that demented woman in the Saturday night live skits to always be the center of attention, that it's extremely difficult to gain an understanding of Italian history, Italian war aims, and the authentic nature of fascism. Mind you, I have no love for Mussolini: he was the reason my grandparents lost their farm in Italy and migrated to the USA. But I still think any minimally informed American should understand what he/she is talking about when -- or before -- he shouts "Fascist!"
But I believe with all the integrity that I can summon that the American people, and especially the German and other European people as well as Middle Easterners, have been very badly treated by the Jewish community, from ~1910 until today, with increasingly harmful impacts on U S society and culture.. When someone like David Engel, a scholar to the holocaust museum in DC, tells as many glaring lies as he does, then nothing he or any other element of that obscenity on Constitution Ave. is credible. I strenuously object to attaching "United States" to the holocaust museum, and to MSM referring to holocaust museum statements as if they were governmental decrees; they are pock-marked with lies that are a danger to the American people. It has to stop.
Such is self-evident from your idiotic, intellectually dishonest posts.
oh, Sam; so sorry you had to be on the sharp end of that barb.
I, too, have a circle of friends that includes Jews, Muslims, Iranians, Japanese, Chinese, and my dear Nigerian friend who is multilingual and makes fun of me when I try to learn basic Italian. I belong to a German Sister city organization (that disappoints me in that they’re more about parliamentary procedure than actually celebrating German ethnicity and culture, although Christmas is a splendid celebration with some of the most touching relics of German heritage that one can imagine).
I don’t think there’s much to be gained from personal attacks on Jews — or Muslims, nor Iranians and especially not Italians: this latter is because Italians are notoriously mean to one another — a fabled saying for a Genoese is “Better death in the room than a Pisan at the door.” On the other hand, because da Jooish holocaust has taken so much oxygen out of the air, demanding always like that demented woman in the Saturday night live skits to always be the center of attention, that it’s extremely difficult to gain an understanding of Italian history, Italian war aims, and the authentic nature of fascism. Mind you, I have no love for Mussolini: he was the reason my grandparents lost their farm in Italy and migrated to the USA. But I still think any minimally informed American should understand what he/she is talking about when — or before — he shouts “Fascist!”
But I believe with all the integrity that I can summon that the American people, and especially the German and other European people as well as Middle Easterners, have been very badly treated by the Jewish community, from ~1910 until today, with increasingly harmful impacts on U S society and culture.. When someone like David Engel, a scholar to the holocaust museum in DC, tells as many glaring lies as he does, then nothing he or any other element of that obscenity on Constitution Ave. is credible. I strenuously object to attaching “United States” to the holocaust museum, and to MSM referring to holocaust museum statements as if they were governmental decrees; they are pock-marked with lies that are a danger to the American people. It has to stop.
So here we are L.K., just to help your nausea and insanity along, I am a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist. Feel worse? I am glad and now fuck off back into the hole from whence you appeared.
Now S2C, I hear your regrets about what you perceive to be a less than desirable cultural, intellectual and moral state of the American people and polity, strapped with a dysfunctional Washington, steeped in Hollywood, silicon valley gadgets and lives which for the greater part must only be described as unfulfilling. You say the people are uninformed. Perhaps so, but I submit that people care to be informed only insofar as their daily circumstance are met, not particularly moved by the profundities of international affairs and most certainly not by debates on the finer points of Fascism, these being the concerns of the intellectual class of which you are a signatory. You are surely aware the Founding Fathers founded the electoral college system to shield the Presidency from the whims of the masses. In short, this state of affairs has always existed and perpetuated by design: Hollywood is only the newer, digital version of entertainment and information packaging which replaced popular novels and home-town pantomimes.
Let the people remain happy won't you?
True enough, Sam. While I’m just as flawed as the next man, even if I tried, I can’t help myself, it’s a fire that burns deep inside of me.
That’s why I haven’t forgotten that you didn’t bother responding to the query I put to you in comment #152:
I take it that your silence is a tacit indication that like Madalaine Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), you think the price is worth it.
Now I know why you hesitate to admit that logic and reasoning do indeed form the foundations of moral principles. You would be caught in the contradiction of supporting actions that benefit Jews at the expense of the goy.
I think that you subsribe to the underlying Zionist logic that says “look, what we are doing is no worse than what your forefathers did with the indigenous peoples of NA. Give us a bit of time to resolve this issue, as you did, and we will once again be at the vanguard of movements fighting for truth and justice. We will once again embrace our destiny to bring tikkun olam to the world.
Do you recall the story of MP Gerald Kaufman. I noted, in a previous post, his exemplary behavior when he denounced the actions of the Zionist project in the British House of Commons. Even though his relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA.
Do you recall how you responded, Sam?
“Kaufman is a mensch, someone to emulate. People like him are few and far between.”
I’ll leave you with one more story taken from the Hellenic past. Do you recall the story of Diogenes? He would be strolling the streets of Athens carrying a lantern during broad daylight. One day an Athenian stopped him and enquirer about the purpose of the lantern, to which Diogenes responded: “I’m looking for one honest person.”
… and I’m on the constant lookout for a modern-day mensch.
I, too, have a circle of friends that includes Jews, Muslims, Iranians, Japanese, Chinese, and my dear Nigerian friend who is multilingual and makes fun of me when I try to learn basic Italian. I belong to a German Sister city organization (that disappoints me in that they're more about parliamentary procedure than actually celebrating German ethnicity and culture, although Christmas is a splendid celebration with some of the most touching relics of German heritage that one can imagine).
I don't think there's much to be gained from personal attacks on Jews -- or Muslims, nor Iranians and especially not Italians: this latter is because Italians are notoriously mean to one another -- a fabled saying for a Genoese is "Better death in the room than a Pisan at the door." On the other hand, because da Jooish holocaust has taken so much oxygen out of the air, demanding always like that demented woman in the Saturday night live skits to always be the center of attention, that it's extremely difficult to gain an understanding of Italian history, Italian war aims, and the authentic nature of fascism. Mind you, I have no love for Mussolini: he was the reason my grandparents lost their farm in Italy and migrated to the USA. But I still think any minimally informed American should understand what he/she is talking about when -- or before -- he shouts "Fascist!"
But I believe with all the integrity that I can summon that the American people, and especially the German and other European people as well as Middle Easterners, have been very badly treated by the Jewish community, from ~1910 until today, with increasingly harmful impacts on U S society and culture.. When someone like David Engel, a scholar to the holocaust museum in DC, tells as many glaring lies as he does, then nothing he or any other element of that obscenity on Constitution Ave. is credible. I strenuously object to attaching "United States" to the holocaust museum, and to MSM referring to holocaust museum statements as if they were governmental decrees; they are pock-marked with lies that are a danger to the American people. It has to stop.
What barb? If you think I am thrown off-kilter by the reptile L.K.’s empty posts you are mistaken. But of course, I am quite willing to respond in kind when that imbecile slithers into view with yet another predictably feeble post.
So here we are L.K., just to help your nausea and insanity along, I am a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist. Feel worse? I am glad and now fuck off back into the hole from whence you appeared.
Now S2C, I hear your regrets about what you perceive to be a less than desirable cultural, intellectual and moral state of the American people and polity, strapped with a dysfunctional Washington, steeped in Hollywood, silicon valley gadgets and lives which for the greater part must only be described as unfulfilling. You say the people are uninformed. Perhaps so, but I submit that people care to be informed only insofar as their daily circumstance are met, not particularly moved by the profundities of international affairs and most certainly not by debates on the finer points of Fascism, these being the concerns of the intellectual class of which you are a signatory. You are surely aware the Founding Fathers founded the electoral college system to shield the Presidency from the whims of the masses. In short, this state of affairs has always existed and perpetuated by design: Hollywood is only the newer, digital version of entertainment and information packaging which replaced popular novels and home-town pantomimes.
Let the people remain happy won’t you?
Would this be something like, “High top boots are required attire because one never knows when one will have to shoot a thousand prisoners in the head and the blood can overtop the six inch style boot”?
Times got weird and weirder in American parlors since TV shut down stuff like "Dragnet" and six months prior to 9-11, Americans got "The Lone Gunman" (trailer-linked below) produced by Arnon Milchan who, like you profess, is also "a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdhoc0PRr8&t=15s
Hear me out, Sam the Sham? In the "Lone Gunman trailer," a wise fool picks up a newspaper, addresses a young guy w/ a conscience, and calls it "birdcage bottom liner." Millions of people that you erroneously consider "uniformed" would be honored to be a Pigeon, stationed upon a telephone wire, and make timely discharge when you "whimsically" walk beneath.
To S2C: Given your penchant for upholding civility here, please let me extend p.p.m. regrets for unloading (so low) on Sam the Sham, but I am dead serious. Problem is that, upon having made surgical strike contact, the pigeon would get sickened by seeing the sorrowful place where it's poop landed, and immediately "coo" out for a Haz Mat Team response in order to get its shit properly packaged & placed into an Infectious Waste red bag and bio box.
That's why I haven't forgotten that you didn't bother responding to the query I put to you in comment #152:I take it that your silence is a tacit indication that like Madalaine Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), you think the price is worth it.
Now I know why you hesitate to admit that logic and reasoning do indeed form the foundations of moral principles. You would be caught in the contradiction of supporting actions that benefit Jews at the expense of the goy.
I think that you subsribe to the underlying Zionist logic that says "look, what we are doing is no worse than what your forefathers did with the indigenous peoples of NA. Give us a bit of time to resolve this issue, as you did, and we will once again be at the vanguard of movements fighting for truth and justice. We will once again embrace our destiny to bring tikkun olam to the world.
Do you recall the story of MP Gerald Kaufman. I noted, in a previous post, his exemplary behavior when he denounced the actions of the Zionist project in the British House of Commons. Even though his relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA.
Do you recall how you responded, Sam?
"Kaufman is a mensch, someone to emulate. People like him are few and far between."
I'll leave you with one more story taken from the Hellenic past. Do you recall the story of Diogenes? He would be strolling the streets of Athens carrying a lantern during broad daylight. One day an Athenian stopped him and enquirer about the purpose of the lantern, to which Diogenes responded: "I'm looking for one honest person."
... and I'm on the constant lookout for a modern-day mensch.
I am not a modern-day mensch, only an ordinary fellow observing the world and the march of time. I am afraid Diogenes, you’ll need to look elsewhere for your man.
“Warmer!” as Alec Baldwin remarked on behalf of the Donald.
So here we are L.K., just to help your nausea and insanity along, I am a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist. Feel worse? I am glad and now fuck off back into the hole from whence you appeared.
Now S2C, I hear your regrets about what you perceive to be a less than desirable cultural, intellectual and moral state of the American people and polity, strapped with a dysfunctional Washington, steeped in Hollywood, silicon valley gadgets and lives which for the greater part must only be described as unfulfilling. You say the people are uninformed. Perhaps so, but I submit that people care to be informed only insofar as their daily circumstance are met, not particularly moved by the profundities of international affairs and most certainly not by debates on the finer points of Fascism, these being the concerns of the intellectual class of which you are a signatory. You are surely aware the Founding Fathers founded the electoral college system to shield the Presidency from the whims of the masses. In short, this state of affairs has always existed and perpetuated by design: Hollywood is only the newer, digital version of entertainment and information packaging which replaced popular novels and home-town pantomimes.
Let the people remain happy won't you?
the finer points of Fascism
Would this be something like, “High top boots are required attire because one never knows when one will have to shoot a thousand prisoners in the head and the blood can overtop the six inch style boot”?
Fascists are efficient doncha know; this was industrialized mass slaughter not the Chicago stock yards, and anyway, shoe polish was at a premium: killees were marched into pits before shooting.
But that was old tech, after all; Start Up Nation devised even greater efficiencies
http://photobucket.com/images/IDF%20'One%20Shot%20Two%20Kills'%20T-shirt%20depicting%20pregnant%20Palestinian%20woman
[…] Iranophobes on Parade […]
Duly noted, Sam, duly noted.
Would this be something like, “High top boots are required attire because one never knows when one will have to shoot a thousand prisoners in the head and the blood can overtop the six inch style boot”?
Hahahahaaaa
So here we are L.K., just to help your nausea and insanity along, I am a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist. Feel worse? I am glad and now fuck off back into the hole from whence you appeared.
Now S2C, I hear your regrets about what you perceive to be a less than desirable cultural, intellectual and moral state of the American people and polity, strapped with a dysfunctional Washington, steeped in Hollywood, silicon valley gadgets and lives which for the greater part must only be described as unfulfilling. You say the people are uninformed. Perhaps so, but I submit that people care to be informed only insofar as their daily circumstance are met, not particularly moved by the profundities of international affairs and most certainly not by debates on the finer points of Fascism, these being the concerns of the intellectual class of which you are a signatory. You are surely aware the Founding Fathers founded the electoral college system to shield the Presidency from the whims of the masses. In short, this state of affairs has always existed and perpetuated by design: Hollywood is only the newer, digital version of entertainment and information packaging which replaced popular novels and home-town pantomimes.
Let the people remain happy won't you?
“Hollywood is only the newer version of entertainment and information packaging which replaced popular novels and hometown pantomines.”
Times got weird and weirder in American parlors since TV shut down stuff like “Dragnet” and six months prior to 9-11, Americans got “The Lone Gunman” (trailer-linked below) produced by Arnon Milchan who, like you profess, is also “a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdhoc0PRr8&t=15s
Hear me out, Sam the Sham? In the “Lone Gunman trailer,” a wise fool picks up a newspaper, addresses a young guy w/ a conscience, and calls it “birdcage bottom liner.” Millions of people that you erroneously consider “uniformed” would be honored to be a Pigeon, stationed upon a telephone wire, and make timely discharge when you “whimsically” walk beneath.
To S2C: Given your penchant for upholding civility here, please let me extend p.p.m. regrets for unloading (so low) on Sam the Sham, but I am dead serious. Problem is that, upon having made surgical strike contact, the pigeon would get sickened by seeing the sorrowful place where it’s poop landed, and immediately “coo” out for a Haz Mat Team response in order to get its shit properly packaged & placed into an Infectious Waste red bag and bio box.
Would this be something like, “High top boots are required attire because one never knows when one will have to shoot a thousand prisoners in the head and the blood can overtop the six inch style boot”?
don’t be insulting, iffen.
Fascists are efficient doncha know; this was industrialized mass slaughter not the Chicago stock yards, and anyway, shoe polish was at a premium: killees were marched into pits before shooting.
But that was old tech, after all; Start Up Nation devised even greater efficiencies
http://photobucket.com/images/IDF%20′One%20Shot%20Two%20Kills’%20T-shirt%20depicting%20pregnant%20Palestinian%20woman
I don't believe your claim of efficiency is valid. My understanding is that there was a very steep learning curve and no Nazi wunderkinds showed up. Thousands and thousands of exhumations from mass graves (high top boots definitely required) with the remains then incinerated. Later some genius (?) figured out that it would be simpler to burn the people first then bury the ashes, rather than shoot, bury, exhume, burn, bury.
Would this be something like, “High top boots are required attire because one never knows when one will have to shoot a thousand prisoners in the head and the blood can overtop the six inch style boot”?
No, those would be the finer features of fairly fake Fascist fashion.
Times got weird and weirder in American parlors since TV shut down stuff like "Dragnet" and six months prior to 9-11, Americans got "The Lone Gunman" (trailer-linked below) produced by Arnon Milchan who, like you profess, is also "a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdhoc0PRr8&t=15s
Hear me out, Sam the Sham? In the "Lone Gunman trailer," a wise fool picks up a newspaper, addresses a young guy w/ a conscience, and calls it "birdcage bottom liner." Millions of people that you erroneously consider "uniformed" would be honored to be a Pigeon, stationed upon a telephone wire, and make timely discharge when you "whimsically" walk beneath.
To S2C: Given your penchant for upholding civility here, please let me extend p.p.m. regrets for unloading (so low) on Sam the Sham, but I am dead serious. Problem is that, upon having made surgical strike contact, the pigeon would get sickened by seeing the sorrowful place where it's poop landed, and immediately "coo" out for a Haz Mat Team response in order to get its shit properly packaged & placed into an Infectious Waste red bag and bio box.
[Hear me out, Sam the Sham? In the “Lone Gunman trailer,” a wise fool picks up a newspaper, addresses a young guy w/ a conscience, and calls it “birdcage bottom liner.” Millions of people that you erroneously consider “uniformed” ]
I heard you Chuck the dumb-fuck. Read my passage carefully once again to clear your reading comprehension. I did not consider them uninformed.
I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.
I like my reading comprehension just the way it is. You are just another cheap uptown Jew capable of writing deceptively well -- but without a conscience.
As if your branding me a "bacterial stain" was insufficient to date, I am unimpressed when you call me a "dumb fuck," but such might be a good thing for us to talk about if we ever happen to meet. (Old time Catholics used to say, "G_d works in strange ways."
Remember how the W. Bush administration shrugged-off Rules of Engagement with Iraqi resistance warriors, and designated them "non-combatant" prisoners; uncovered by Geneva Conventions? If you and me ever come face-to-face, I promise to honorably consider you as a "bad hombre" agent of an Occupying power.
Comprende, Sam the Sham?
Fascists are efficient doncha know; this was industrialized mass slaughter not the Chicago stock yards, and anyway, shoe polish was at a premium: killees were marched into pits before shooting.
But that was old tech, after all; Start Up Nation devised even greater efficiencies
http://photobucket.com/images/IDF%20'One%20Shot%20Two%20Kills'%20T-shirt%20depicting%20pregnant%20Palestinian%20woman
offensive shirts printed for the few demented idiots, banned by IDF’s units and official producers. Could you prevent anyone in the U.S to have a custom stamped shirt?
Fascists are efficient doncha know; this was industrialized mass slaughter not the Chicago stock yards, and anyway, shoe polish was at a premium: killees were marched into pits before shooting.
But that was old tech, after all; Start Up Nation devised even greater efficiencies
http://photobucket.com/images/IDF%20'One%20Shot%20Two%20Kills'%20T-shirt%20depicting%20pregnant%20Palestinian%20woman
Fascists are efficient doncha know … killees were marched into pits before shooting.
I don’t believe your claim of efficiency is valid. My understanding is that there was a very steep learning curve and no Nazi wunderkinds showed up. Thousands and thousands of exhumations from mass graves (high top boots definitely required) with the remains then incinerated. Later some genius (?) figured out that it would be simpler to burn the people first then bury the ashes, rather than shoot, bury, exhume, burn, bury.
to clear your reading comprehension
I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.
Iffen,
What's lacing N.Y. Governor Cuomo's Happy Hour cocktails? Or maybe it's really top shelf Israeli processed & distributed heroin that he indulges?
Another question: How can a Catholic (Zionist puppet) N.Y. governor decide where government funds can be spent? Answer: It's called, HOW TO BETRAY THE TRUST OF COMMON AMERICAN'S AND ADVANCE IN ZIO-U.S. POLITICS.
Please look at boozy Jerusalem Post article, below, iffen?
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/NY-Gov-blacklists-BDS-businesses-474328
Iffen... Do you really know what you are saying? Your statement is giving credibility to Holocaust revisionism. Do you really believe it was possible to burn four million Jews at the Auschwitz labor camp in 15 brick pizza ovens? Ovens, at best, that could only accommodate two bodies at a time. If your story is true, the Germans would still be burning corpses today.
This really doesn't sound like the German geniuses, who's technology has made it possible for missions to Mars.
Operating pizza ovens around the clock, would render them unserviceable. The brick ovens would crumble from the constant heat. In addition, thousands of tons of coal would be needed to fuel the ovens. Where are the photos in the Holohoax museum in Washington D.C., displaying the giant piles of coal at the so called extermination camps? Initially after the camp was liberated, the US psychological warfare department put on a display of soap made from Jewish fat, lampshades made of Jewish flesh and Jewish shrunken heads. Is this still part of the official Holocaust story? Is this still belivable?
There's lack of evidence of mass murder by gassing and the existence of massive burial pits at the labor camp crime scene. There isn't one autopsy of a dead inmate who died from Zyklon B and there is no photos of the massive pit's disturbed excavated land. Why?
The buried ashes have no traces of Zyklon B? Did the German geniuses use a death ray to vaporized the bones of the dead before reburying the ashes? Today, scientist can determine what the Roman gladiators ate before dying in the colosseum. No bone fragments we can test?
Jewish inmates claim gas was dispensed through shower heads into death chambers disguised as showers. To force gas through piping in order to reach shower heads, it would have required a massive pump. Why no photos of the pumps? Why no pumps at the Holocaust museum. The Jewish manned US psychological warfare team did a thorough job of photo graphing emaciated starving inmates and piles of personal belongings of shoes, cloths and luggage. However, they failed miserably to photo document the instruments used to commit industrialized mass murder. Why?
I could site numerous other forensic facts that would completely debunk the official Holocaust story, but for now let's leave this subject with the following:
The forensic facts do not support the official Holocaust story. This is why the international Jewish community has pushed for the criminalization of Holocaust revisionism.
TRUTH DOESN'T NEED LAWS TO PROTECT IT." Laws criminalizing Holocaust revisionism are laws intended perpetuate the Holohoax.
The Jewish exterminationists should settle on Holocaust Revisionism. If they don't, Holocaust denying will gain ground and take hold. Iffen.... Instead of disseminating Holocaust myths, you should spend more time advocating for a complete professional criminal investigations into the Jewish myth of industrialized mass murder.
Iffen.... Name one Jewish holy holiday that is celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth. Every Jewish holiday commentates the outcome of wars against their Gentile
neighbors that ended in their favor. Their holidays are not religious in nature. They are nationalistic revenge rituals. These rtituals are celebrated by Jews around the world. Throughout history, Jews are always running for their lives from their deranged and demented neighbors. Miraculously their God, who was in the real estate business and gave them (chosen) a promised land, always intervenes on their behalf and saves them. More importantly, their God gives the Jews their just revenge and vanquishes their enemies.
Iffen..... Do you think I can get these magical Matzah balls at the infamous NAZI soup kitchen that the brilliant, most clever man on TV, Jerry Seinfeld always raves about?
“Read my passage carefully to clear your reading comprehension.”
I like my reading comprehension just the way it is. You are just another cheap uptown Jew capable of writing deceptively well — but without a conscience.
As if your branding me a “bacterial stain” was insufficient to date, I am unimpressed when you call me a “dumb fuck,” but such might be a good thing for us to talk about if we ever happen to meet. (Old time Catholics used to say, “G_d works in strange ways.”
Remember how the W. Bush administration shrugged-off Rules of Engagement with Iraqi resistance warriors, and designated them “non-combatant” prisoners; uncovered by Geneva Conventions? If you and me ever come face-to-face, I promise to honorably consider you as a “bad hombre” agent of an Occupying power.
Comprende, Sam the Sham?
I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.
“I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.”
Iffen,
What’s lacing N.Y. Governor Cuomo’s Happy Hour cocktails? Or maybe it’s really top shelf Israeli processed & distributed heroin that he indulges?
Another question: How can a Catholic (Zionist puppet) N.Y. governor decide where government funds can be spent? Answer: It’s called, HOW TO BETRAY THE TRUST OF COMMON AMERICAN’S AND ADVANCE IN ZIO-U.S. POLITICS.
Please look at boozy Jerusalem Post article, below, iffen?
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/NY-Gov-blacklists-BDS-businesses-474328
I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.
Later some genius (?) figured out that it would be simpler to burn the people first than bury the ashes, rather than shoot, bury, exhume, burn , bury.
Iffen… Do you really know what you are saying? Your statement is giving credibility to Holocaust revisionism. Do you really believe it was possible to burn four million Jews at the Auschwitz labor camp in 15 brick pizza ovens? Ovens, at best, that could only accommodate two bodies at a time. If your story is true, the Germans would still be burning corpses today.
This really doesn’t sound like the German geniuses, who’s technology has made it possible for missions to Mars.
Operating pizza ovens around the clock, would render them unserviceable. The brick ovens would crumble from the constant heat. In addition, thousands of tons of coal would be needed to fuel the ovens. Where are the photos in the Holohoax museum in Washington D.C., displaying the giant piles of coal at the so called extermination camps? Initially after the camp was liberated, the US psychological warfare department put on a display of soap made from Jewish fat, lampshades made of Jewish flesh and Jewish shrunken heads. Is this still part of the official Holocaust story? Is this still belivable?
There’s lack of evidence of mass murder by gassing and the existence of massive burial pits at the labor camp crime scene. There isn’t one autopsy of a dead inmate who died from Zyklon B and there is no photos of the massive pit’s disturbed excavated land. Why?
The buried ashes have no traces of Zyklon B? Did the German geniuses use a death ray to vaporized the bones of the dead before reburying the ashes? Today, scientist can determine what the Roman gladiators ate before dying in the colosseum. No bone fragments we can test?
Jewish inmates claim gas was dispensed through shower heads into death chambers disguised as showers. To force gas through piping in order to reach shower heads, it would have required a massive pump. Why no photos of the pumps? Why no pumps at the Holocaust museum. The Jewish manned US psychological warfare team did a thorough job of photo graphing emaciated starving inmates and piles of personal belongings of shoes, cloths and luggage. However, they failed miserably to photo document the instruments used to commit industrialized mass murder. Why?
I could site numerous other forensic facts that would completely debunk the official Holocaust story, but for now let’s leave this subject with the following:
The forensic facts do not support the official Holocaust story. This is why the international Jewish community has pushed for the criminalization of Holocaust revisionism.
TRUTH DOESN’T NEED LAWS TO PROTECT IT.” Laws criminalizing Holocaust revisionism are laws intended perpetuate the Holohoax.
The Jewish exterminationists should settle on Holocaust Revisionism. If they don’t, Holocaust denying will gain ground and take hold. Iffen…. Instead of disseminating Holocaust myths, you should spend more time advocating for a complete professional criminal investigations into the Jewish myth of industrialized mass murder.
You put your finger on it perfectly.
iffen and Sam the Sham have great talents for shifting article comments to their turf;, in this case for example, world oil production and speculation.
In future, I wish the honorable geokat22 and S2C would stop both iffen and Sam the Sham in their tracks from, when (as typical) they're in intellectual and moral trouble,and constantly move the "turf" to their home field advantage. Keep them on topic and on a neutral playing field, and commenters never have to play "away."
A reminder that P. Giraldi's article was about "Iranophobes on Parade." I actually feel sorry for how iffen brought up the Holocaust and how discouraged (suicidal) he must be after getting clawed by Anon's buzz saw TRUTH, which "does not need protection."
Tel Aviv Calling Sam the Sham to iffen's rescue! Post a comment quick! iffen's in worse shape than the car salesman who, in the academy award film "Fargo" ended up in a wood chipper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH47MeOyWV0
Iffen... Do you really know what you are saying? Your statement is giving credibility to Holocaust revisionism. Do you really believe it was possible to burn four million Jews at the Auschwitz labor camp in 15 brick pizza ovens? Ovens, at best, that could only accommodate two bodies at a time. If your story is true, the Germans would still be burning corpses today.
This really doesn't sound like the German geniuses, who's technology has made it possible for missions to Mars.
Operating pizza ovens around the clock, would render them unserviceable. The brick ovens would crumble from the constant heat. In addition, thousands of tons of coal would be needed to fuel the ovens. Where are the photos in the Holohoax museum in Washington D.C., displaying the giant piles of coal at the so called extermination camps? Initially after the camp was liberated, the US psychological warfare department put on a display of soap made from Jewish fat, lampshades made of Jewish flesh and Jewish shrunken heads. Is this still part of the official Holocaust story? Is this still belivable?
There's lack of evidence of mass murder by gassing and the existence of massive burial pits at the labor camp crime scene. There isn't one autopsy of a dead inmate who died from Zyklon B and there is no photos of the massive pit's disturbed excavated land. Why?
The buried ashes have no traces of Zyklon B? Did the German geniuses use a death ray to vaporized the bones of the dead before reburying the ashes? Today, scientist can determine what the Roman gladiators ate before dying in the colosseum. No bone fragments we can test?
Jewish inmates claim gas was dispensed through shower heads into death chambers disguised as showers. To force gas through piping in order to reach shower heads, it would have required a massive pump. Why no photos of the pumps? Why no pumps at the Holocaust museum. The Jewish manned US psychological warfare team did a thorough job of photo graphing emaciated starving inmates and piles of personal belongings of shoes, cloths and luggage. However, they failed miserably to photo document the instruments used to commit industrialized mass murder. Why?
I could site numerous other forensic facts that would completely debunk the official Holocaust story, but for now let's leave this subject with the following:
The forensic facts do not support the official Holocaust story. This is why the international Jewish community has pushed for the criminalization of Holocaust revisionism.
TRUTH DOESN'T NEED LAWS TO PROTECT IT." Laws criminalizing Holocaust revisionism are laws intended perpetuate the Holohoax.
The Jewish exterminationists should settle on Holocaust Revisionism. If they don't, Holocaust denying will gain ground and take hold. Iffen.... Instead of disseminating Holocaust myths, you should spend more time advocating for a complete professional criminal investigations into the Jewish myth of industrialized mass murder.
WOW.. Anon!
You put your finger on it perfectly.
iffen and Sam the Sham have great talents for shifting article comments to their turf;, in this case for example, world oil production and speculation.
In future, I wish the honorable geokat22 and S2C would stop both iffen and Sam the Sham in their tracks from, when (as typical) they’re in intellectual and moral trouble,and constantly move the “turf” to their home field advantage. Keep them on topic and on a neutral playing field, and commenters never have to play “away.”
A reminder that P. Giraldi’s article was about “Iranophobes on Parade.” I actually feel sorry for how iffen brought up the Holocaust and how discouraged (suicidal) he must be after getting clawed by Anon’s buzz saw TRUTH, which “does not need protection.”
Tel Aviv Calling Sam the Sham to iffen’s rescue! Post a comment quick! iffen’s in worse shape than the car salesman who, in the academy award film “Fargo” ended up in a wood chipper.
I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.
“I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE BEER AT THE HALL”
I think there is something in Matzah Balls on the high unholy days.
Iffen…. Name one Jewish holy holiday that is celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth.
Every Jewish holiday commentates the outcome of wars against their Gentile
neighbors that ended in their favor. Their holidays are not religious in nature. They are nationalistic revenge rituals. These rtituals are celebrated by Jews around the world. Throughout history, Jews are always running for their lives from their deranged and demented neighbors. Miraculously their God, who was in the real estate business and gave them (chosen) a promised land, always intervenes on their behalf and saves them. More importantly, their God gives the Jews their just revenge and vanquishes their enemies.
Iffen….. Do you think I can get these magical Matzah balls at the infamous NAZI soup kitchen that the brilliant, most clever man on TV, Jerry Seinfeld always raves about?
I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.
Like I always say, we’re just The Dumb Goy… struggling to keep up with those with the 200+ IQs. Sam was willing to offer up his +7σ score… how many sd above the mean are you, iffen.. 8, 9?
I always view what you have to say with skepticism, but you repeat this so often and with such conviction .... :)
how many sd above the mean are you, iffen
I fret about my IQ even less than I worry about what dem Jews are up to.
Let's just say that it is high enough that I am aware that it is fixed and that I didn't have anything to do with setting it.
Iffen... Do you really know what you are saying? Your statement is giving credibility to Holocaust revisionism. Do you really believe it was possible to burn four million Jews at the Auschwitz labor camp in 15 brick pizza ovens? Ovens, at best, that could only accommodate two bodies at a time. If your story is true, the Germans would still be burning corpses today.
This really doesn't sound like the German geniuses, who's technology has made it possible for missions to Mars.
Operating pizza ovens around the clock, would render them unserviceable. The brick ovens would crumble from the constant heat. In addition, thousands of tons of coal would be needed to fuel the ovens. Where are the photos in the Holohoax museum in Washington D.C., displaying the giant piles of coal at the so called extermination camps? Initially after the camp was liberated, the US psychological warfare department put on a display of soap made from Jewish fat, lampshades made of Jewish flesh and Jewish shrunken heads. Is this still part of the official Holocaust story? Is this still belivable?
There's lack of evidence of mass murder by gassing and the existence of massive burial pits at the labor camp crime scene. There isn't one autopsy of a dead inmate who died from Zyklon B and there is no photos of the massive pit's disturbed excavated land. Why?
The buried ashes have no traces of Zyklon B? Did the German geniuses use a death ray to vaporized the bones of the dead before reburying the ashes? Today, scientist can determine what the Roman gladiators ate before dying in the colosseum. No bone fragments we can test?
Jewish inmates claim gas was dispensed through shower heads into death chambers disguised as showers. To force gas through piping in order to reach shower heads, it would have required a massive pump. Why no photos of the pumps? Why no pumps at the Holocaust museum. The Jewish manned US psychological warfare team did a thorough job of photo graphing emaciated starving inmates and piles of personal belongings of shoes, cloths and luggage. However, they failed miserably to photo document the instruments used to commit industrialized mass murder. Why?
I could site numerous other forensic facts that would completely debunk the official Holocaust story, but for now let's leave this subject with the following:
The forensic facts do not support the official Holocaust story. This is why the international Jewish community has pushed for the criminalization of Holocaust revisionism.
TRUTH DOESN'T NEED LAWS TO PROTECT IT." Laws criminalizing Holocaust revisionism are laws intended perpetuate the Holohoax.
The Jewish exterminationists should settle on Holocaust Revisionism. If they don't, Holocaust denying will gain ground and take hold. Iffen.... Instead of disseminating Holocaust myths, you should spend more time advocating for a complete professional criminal investigations into the Jewish myth of industrialized mass murder.
Even David Irving now agrees with the official estimate, and he has no special love for Jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH47MeOyWV0
“Iffen… Name one Jewish holiday that’s celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth.”
You have me stumped her, Anon. I am anxious to read either Iffen’s or Sam the Sham’s response.
Were I one of them, and thank G- d that’s not the case, here is how I’d reply to your points:
“Anon — you scum sucking & spineless nazi! So you think the Jews are 98% assholes bent on revenge against brainless enemies, eh? I know you are a lazy f&ucking bacterial strain, but why don’t you read “Crowds & Power,” a book written by a famous Jew, Elias Canetti? He provides a great chapter called has “Islam as a religion of War.”
“So listen here you neo-nazi Zyklon B-astard — Elias Canetti quotes The Koran (ugh), the book of the prophet and inspired by (ugh) Allah: “When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them.”
How do you like those infidel Matzah balls… dumb fuck? You are too stupid to appreciate the fact that businesslike (Synagogue of Satan) Zionists have taken over the U.S.A. instead of CIA-managed amateur ragheads who can not even blow off False Flag bombs in downtown Boston without getting caught on goofy CNN cameras! What’s more, you’re not even a worthy Gethsemane tree-hugging phony like the new Pope! (sigh) I pray that a negro wrestling team bangs you while you bend over to turn on stupid X-mas lights, anon! Get f$ucked, I am off to another Unz article!
Sam the Sham
Anyway, although iffen is imminently capable of seeing the world from inside a grain of a Matzah ball, I (Chuck O.) did the best I could to recommend the above as a working blueprint for Sam the Sham. I trust he will not actually bolt to another Unz article? now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH47MeOyWV0
David Irving is an historian so I’m not sure he’s in the “special love” business. Where did you get the idea he’s supposed to be? Any historian who is in the “special love” business is not a real historian anyway but merely a propagandist.
Real historians research as many relevant facts as they can and attempt to assemble them in a factually based narrative. People can accept that or refute it with additional research. Making the work of any historian illegal violates the founding principle of the United States and should trigger increased interest in the outlawed subject matter. David Irving has been victimised and harassed to a shocking degree whether you agree with him or not and what he says in that clip is like watching the testimony of a tortured man.
If you really have an interest in the numbers I believe that around 55 million deaths occurred during WWII, all of them tragic and likely avoidable. These vast military machines weren’t assembled from hot air and speeches alone and they take vast enterprises of materials and labour which take time and huge resources to bring together.
So who exactly planned, financed and agitated for this to happen and why? That should be your question.
Nosy theDuke,
"anon" has delivered superb points on the Holohoax, a topic which "iffen" entered into this article titled, "Iranophobes on Parade."
Since iffen has yet to offer a response to "anon" who has expended much intellectual & moral energy, I respectfully ask why don't to answer your own question, above, and let "anon" possibly make follow up. Honor him/her with a short holiday on this thread?
Otherwise, I humbly suggest waiting for either iffen or Sam the Sham's response to "anon," and until then, turn our "defense" turrets to P. Giraldi's new & very timely article posted on The Unz Review, called "Fake News vs. No News."
Thanks NoseytheDuke for key insight inon the illegality of "any historian's work... being made illegal. " As you know, It's FALSE NEWS, especially the variant that facilitates the U.S. going to unnecessary wars that should be made illegal and subject to prosecution in a court that is not Zio-kangaroo certified.
"So who exactly planned, financed and agitated for this to happen and why?"
I sense you already know the answer to this important question.
When I am faced with a question that someone already knows the answer, I always respond with a question.
Who did Charles Lindeberg blame in his last American First speech?
Who negotiated the Versile Treaty after WW1?, and benefited the most from the war?
What is the name of the main boulevard in Tel Aviv?
Who did Mel Gibson blame for all the wars in a drunken rage ?
Sorry.... You only get four hints.
If you meant your observation to be equally applicable to goyim, then fine, I applaud your fair-handed approach. Although I don't believe that nepotism, narcissism and sadism [really?] are anywhere nearly as important or pervasive. Furthermore, persistence may be necessary but certainly not sufficient for obvious reasons.
Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience. By those who whine I am fairly sure you are referring to the alleged "jewish Holocaust appeal". I think that is a canard spun by 88's. Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.
So jews have the world by its tail eh?
I don't consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.
That’s easy; why do you need it explained to you, especially when you yourself made the following statement?:
Or are the “Chosen Ones” not human?
PS: Have you ever read Josephus’ “Antiquities?” If so, you have a clue that the guys with the mostest were usually some of the most disgusting humans ever. You may want to brush up on yer buddy, King Herod ,if you think that material success is mostly due, as you say, to “aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune.”
As for your smarmy comment about “anecdotes,” the pages of history (especially including Josephus’ works) are full of them. Anecdotes? Do you even know what the word means?
But the materially successful ones are, nevertheless, less flawed than the rest of us beasts of burden? Their successes are mostly due to “aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune,”and could not possibly have anything to do with flaws such as lying, murdering, and theft?
Keep trying!
PS: Here are a couple of Balzac-like (Behind every great fortune is a great crime.)”anecdotes” for you to consider.
Sweet quote by T. Paine - love it! Going to save it for future reference.
Peace.
Your choice of personal pronouns has confused me, Sam. IIRC, didn’t both you and Greasy declare previously that you were American citizens?
“So who exactly planned, financed and agitaded for this to happen and why? That should be your question.
Nosy theDuke,
“anon” has delivered superb points on the Holohoax, a topic which “iffen” entered into this article titled, “Iranophobes on Parade.”
Since iffen has yet to offer a response to “anon” who has expended much intellectual & moral energy, I respectfully ask why don’t to answer your own question, above, and let “anon” possibly make follow up. Honor him/her with a short holiday on this thread?
Otherwise, I humbly suggest waiting for either iffen or Sam the Sham’s response to “anon,” and until then, turn our “defense” turrets to P. Giraldi’s new & very timely article posted on The Unz Review, called “Fake News vs. No News.”
Thanks NoseytheDuke for key insight inon the illegality of “any historian’s work… being made illegal. ” As you know, It’s FALSE NEWS, especially the variant that facilitates the U.S. going to unnecessary wars that should be made illegal and subject to prosecution in a court that is not Zio-kangaroo certified.
What accounts for that? Roughly what proportion is due to “work and aptitude?”
Why do statists invariably point to material success to indicate “greatness?”
Do these thoughts apply, or do they not to the mafia-like state you so staunchly defend?
Like I always say, we’re just The Dumb Goy
I always view what you have to say with skepticism, but you repeat this so often and with such conviction ….
how many sd above the mean are you, iffen
I fret about my IQ even less than I worry about what dem Jews are up to.
Let’s just say that it is high enough that I am aware that it is fixed and that I didn’t have anything to do with setting it.
You have me stumped her, Anon. I am anxious to read either Iffen's or Sam the Sham's response.
Were I one of them, and thank G- d that's not the case, here is how I'd reply to your points:
"Anon -- you scum sucking & spineless nazi! So you think the Jews are 98% assholes bent on revenge against brainless enemies, eh? I know you are a lazy f&ucking bacterial strain, but why don't you read "Crowds & Power," a book written by a famous Jew, Elias Canetti? He provides a great chapter called has "Islam as a religion of War."
"So listen here you neo-nazi Zyklon B-astard -- Elias Canetti quotes The Koran (ugh), the book of the prophet and inspired by (ugh) Allah: "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them."
How do you like those infidel Matzah balls... dumb fuck? You are too stupid to appreciate the fact that businesslike (Synagogue of Satan) Zionists have taken over the U.S.A. instead of CIA-managed amateur ragheads who can not even blow off False Flag bombs in downtown Boston without getting caught on goofy CNN cameras! What's more, you're not even a worthy Gethsemane tree-hugging phony like the new Pope! (sigh) I pray that a negro wrestling team bangs you while you bend over to turn on stupid X-mas lights, anon! Get f$ucked, I am off to another Unz article!
Sam the Sham
Anyway, although iffen is imminently capable of seeing the world from inside a grain of a Matzah ball, I (Chuck O.) did the best I could to recommend the above as a working blueprint for Sam the Sham. I trust he will not actually bolt to another Unz article? now.
Hey Chuck,
With all due respect, I have never seen Sam try to detract from the discussion on Israel by pulling one of those random Spencer/Geller-like out-of-context references to the Qur’an or the like. I have seen plenty of other people try to pull that crap – and I call them out on it if I have time, but Sam has a much more respectful attitude towards Islam than I can say for many of the posters on UNZ.
I’ve read a few excerpts of Canetti’s take on Islam; not impressed at all. Perhaps I would be more impressed if I read everything, but the appetizer didn’t make me long for the full course. He would have benefited from a more thorough study of its doctrines and history. He seems to do a lot of glossing over and summation without citation for his opinion. Opinions are opinions; everyone’s got one.
May God grant you many more safe years on your routes – especially during the wintry roads.
Talha,
You are a decent person and it's a pleasure to exchange thought with you.
In contrast to your opinion, I truly value Elias Canetti's very perceptive book, "Crowds & Power," but my pm school bus run starts at 2 pm, and I don't have time to go into the uniqueness of this great work which was not intended to be a study of Islamic history and doctrines. "Crowds and Power" demands quite a bit from readers, but is is rewarding.
One thought on Sam's "respectful attitude for Islam." I winced when I first read your take, and I can only hope his attitude is one part-per-million more respectful than the U.S. General who stated, "our god is better than their God."
Respectfully speaking, I know you were involved with commenting on P.G.'s "9-11 Truth" which went > 1,000 comments. There one can return to & document Sam's evasiveness to my having brought up the forensic research and findings of Christopher Bollyn in his brave book, "Solving 9-11."
But let's stay closer to this particular "thread" where Sam Shama tried to entice the smart "geokat22" into overlooking the great power & nefarious influence of oil speculators.
Also, one can note how Sam Shama (above) avoided "anon" who made top notch points on how it is in Zionist Supremacists immediate best interest to acknowledge Holocaust Revisionism.
Very nice of you to say "God grant you many safe years..." We Byzantine Catholics sing this during anniversary celebrations for old bucks like my me. Thank you, must go bussing!
Iffen.... Name one Jewish holy holiday that is celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth. Every Jewish holiday commentates the outcome of wars against their Gentile
neighbors that ended in their favor. Their holidays are not religious in nature. They are nationalistic revenge rituals. These rtituals are celebrated by Jews around the world. Throughout history, Jews are always running for their lives from their deranged and demented neighbors. Miraculously their God, who was in the real estate business and gave them (chosen) a promised land, always intervenes on their behalf and saves them. More importantly, their God gives the Jews their just revenge and vanquishes their enemies.
Iffen..... Do you think I can get these magical Matzah balls at the infamous NAZI soup kitchen that the brilliant, most clever man on TV, Jerry Seinfeld always raves about?
[…. Name one Jewish holy holiday that is celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth.]
Are you Jewish? If so you appear to know little of any meaning on Jewish holidays, holy days or prayers. I was weighing whether one should respond – the obliviousness of this post being rather daunting – but in the end, I decided you wrote in good faith within the limits of your knowledge. So here are some examples:
1. The most frequent and obvious one is the Shabbat holiday, observed every week, where Jews are required to observe the mitzvah of tzedekah which places on every Jew the obligation to right the injustices of society. One of the ways we do this is by contributing money to help individuals or groups in need themselves, or, engaged in helping others.
2. In the Ma’ariv portion of Shabbat evening prayers, there is a special one entitled Ahavat Olam, which means love for the world around us. The meaning should be obvious.
3. Yom Kippur, the day of atonement and the most important holy day, is preceded by Erev Yom Kippur, the eve of Kippur. On Yom Kippur forgiveness is asked of G’d, but arguably more important is the forgiveness asked of one’s fellow men on the eve of Kippur.
Keep trying!
PS: Here are a couple of Balzac-like (Behind every great fortune is a great crime.)"anecdotes" for you to consider.
Hey JS,
Sweet quote by T. Paine – love it! Going to save it for future reference.
Peace.
Another chink in the armor for me was brought into focus this week. I really dislike the types that destroy Buddhas in Afghanistan or shrines in Timbuktu. I am sure you do as well. I realized that my religious antecedents, in their iconoclastic fury, destroyed not just the relics and bones of saints, but many paintings and statuaries, some of which were several hundred years old.
Thank you for bolstering my post.
“So who exactly planned, financed and agitated for this to happen and why?”
I sense you already know the answer to this important question.
When I am faced with a question that someone already knows the answer, I always respond with a question.
Who did Charles Lindeberg blame in his last American First speech?
Who negotiated the Versile Treaty after WW1?, and benefited the most from the war?
What is the name of the main boulevard in Tel Aviv?
Who did Mel Gibson blame for all the wars in a drunken rage ?
Sorry…. You only get four hints.
Your temper seems to have curdled.
I did not define success as solely material, yet I remain circumspect of talk suffused with ‘an elevation-of-the-soul-over-riches‘ class of trope . Generally fos – no calumny intended here – those who constantly invoke that angle.
Our worldview is different as evident from what we each wrote, notably in that I do not consider “…cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism” to be as important, certainly nowhere near as pervasive in the generality, as work, ability and a bit of luck.
As to Josephus’ Antiquities, I have not read it, nor am I about to in the near future, the point of your reference likely a censure or sermon on the moral decrepitude of the wealthy.
If you thought my earlier comment smarmy, I find yours smacking of bitterness.
“… Sam has a much more respectful attitude towards Islam than I can say for many posters on Unz Review.”
Talha,
You are a decent person and it’s a pleasure to exchange thought with you.
In contrast to your opinion, I truly value Elias Canetti’s very perceptive book, “Crowds & Power,” but my pm school bus run starts at 2 pm, and I don’t have time to go into the uniqueness of this great work which was not intended to be a study of Islamic history and doctrines. “Crowds and Power” demands quite a bit from readers, but is is rewarding.
One thought on Sam’s “respectful attitude for Islam.” I winced when I first read your take, and I can only hope his attitude is one part-per-million more respectful than the U.S. General who stated, “our god is better than their God.”
Respectfully speaking, I know you were involved with commenting on P.G.’s “9-11 Truth” which went > 1,000 comments. There one can return to & document Sam’s evasiveness to my having brought up the forensic research and findings of Christopher Bollyn in his brave book, “Solving 9-11.”
But let’s stay closer to this particular “thread” where Sam Shama tried to entice the smart “geokat22″ into overlooking the great power & nefarious influence of oil speculators.
Also, one can note how Sam Shama (above) avoided “anon” who made top notch points on how it is in Zionist Supremacists immediate best interest to acknowledge Holocaust Revisionism.
Very nice of you to say “God grant you many safe years…” We Byzantine Catholics sing this during anniversary celebrations for old bucks like my me. Thank you, must go bussing!
Sweet quote by T. Paine - love it! Going to save it for future reference.
Peace.
Talha,
Another chink in the armor for me was brought into focus this week. I really dislike the types that destroy Buddhas in Afghanistan or shrines in Timbuktu. I am sure you do as well. I realized that my religious antecedents, in their iconoclastic fury, destroyed not just the relics and bones of saints, but many paintings and statuaries, some of which were several hundred years old.
"Hallé Ousmani Cissé told the Guardian that al-Qaida-allied fighters on Saturday torched two buildings that held the manuscripts, some of which dated back to the 13th century."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-ancient-manuscriptsHonestly don't know what makes these guys tick- "Yeah - we need to make Islam victorious - let's burn down its libraries!" They remind me of people who riot in their own city after their team wins - "Wooo Boston! We're the best! Let's burn this town down!"Some people get it though; Borobudur is the largest Buddhist temple in the world and sits calmly in the middle of Muslim-dominated Java. They even left stuff like this standing for the last 500+ years:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/indonesia-java-central-java-province-candi-high-res-stock-photography/154771909Peace.
There is a phrase for what you tried to do here: isn’t it called being too clever by half? Besides what’s a Canuck ……
Being from Canada, I had accepted, without any critical thought, the prevailing view put forth by the current PM's father - i.e, that Canada is comprised of its many ethnic communities and should be proud of its diversity. We considered ourselves a "cultural mosaic" and looked down upon America's "melting pot."
But after reading several articles and seeing several commenters here at Unz express their views on this topic, I've started questioning some of my earlier presuppositions.
For example, I recall one of Joe Webb's previous derogatory comments regarding multiculturalism, and how he painted a bleak picture of the future, if things continued on the same path we're currently on. I initially dismissed his comment, suggesting that if things didn't work out for the Europeans, they could always just sail back from whence they came.
Since posting that comment, however, I have been doing some further research - especially into the wellsprings of popular culture, better known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism. Most Americans are unaware that the founders of Critical Theory, the theory that underpins political correctness, are a small group of intellectuals associated with the Frankfurt School. And the person who has done the most research on this topic is professor Kevin MacDonald. While I've just started reading his Culture of Critique, I've finished reading his essay, THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL OF SOCIAL RESEARCH AND THE ORIGINS OF THE THERAPEUTIC STATE, A Case Study of Jewish Intellectual Activism.
Here's what he has to say about the theories put forth by the FS's two leading members:And what is the overarching vision of Critical Theory:And how is any of this connected to your question of: What is a Canuck?:So, before reading Prof MacDonald's essay, like most people, I had no idea where the concept of multiculturalism had come from and who was responsible for promoting it. It seemed harmless enough on the surface. But now that the origins of this concept have been exposed, I'm not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do... or any Western country for that matter. If these nations stay on their current course, their future will be one of chronic conflict between different racial/ethnic groups. Not a bright future.
So, to answer your question, Sam, a Canuck, American, or Australian should be someone who is proud of his European culture, history, and identity and should fight vigorously to salvage it before it's too late.
That's my definition of a Canuck, Sam. And that's my definition of a Yankee. I guess it all boils down to iffen's earlier remark: "I have no hostility toward the right of the Germans to an ethno nation state, then or now."
My hope, Sam, is that more Europeans (both inside and outside Europe) will stop worshipping at the feet of the false God of multiculturalism and re-embrace their culture, history, and identity... before it's too late.
“Our worldview is different ” => “our worldviews are different”
Another chink in the armor for me was brought into focus this week. I really dislike the types that destroy Buddhas in Afghanistan or shrines in Timbuktu. I am sure you do as well. I realized that my religious antecedents, in their iconoclastic fury, destroyed not just the relics and bones of saints, but many paintings and statuaries, some of which were several hundred years old.
Hey iffen,
Good points. As you probably know, Islam has always been iconoclast in ethos. However, the idiots/extremists of today don’t seem to realize that the smashing of the idols in the Kaaba was a specific and historic act – not simply to be reproduced in every environment that one comes to. The earliest generation realized that, which is why the fools of today are busy smashing the very history that the earliest generations left alone.
And it’s not just statues, these people want to burn down our literary heritage as well:
“Hallé Ousmani Cissé told the Guardian that al-Qaida-allied fighters on Saturday torched two buildings that held the manuscripts, some of which dated back to the 13th century.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-ancient-manuscripts
Honestly don’t know what makes these guys tick- “Yeah – we need to make Islam victorious – let’s burn down its libraries!” They remind me of people who riot in their own city after their team wins – “Wooo Boston! We’re the best! Let’s burn this town down!”
Some people get it though; Borobudur is the largest Buddhist temple in the world and sits calmly in the middle of Muslim-dominated Java. They even left stuff like this standing for the last 500+ years:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/indonesia-java-central-java-province-candi-high-res-stock-photography/154771909
Peace.
Talha,
You are a decent person and it's a pleasure to exchange thought with you.
In contrast to your opinion, I truly value Elias Canetti's very perceptive book, "Crowds & Power," but my pm school bus run starts at 2 pm, and I don't have time to go into the uniqueness of this great work which was not intended to be a study of Islamic history and doctrines. "Crowds and Power" demands quite a bit from readers, but is is rewarding.
One thought on Sam's "respectful attitude for Islam." I winced when I first read your take, and I can only hope his attitude is one part-per-million more respectful than the U.S. General who stated, "our god is better than their God."
Respectfully speaking, I know you were involved with commenting on P.G.'s "9-11 Truth" which went > 1,000 comments. There one can return to & document Sam's evasiveness to my having brought up the forensic research and findings of Christopher Bollyn in his brave book, "Solving 9-11."
But let's stay closer to this particular "thread" where Sam Shama tried to entice the smart "geokat22" into overlooking the great power & nefarious influence of oil speculators.
Also, one can note how Sam Shama (above) avoided "anon" who made top notch points on how it is in Zionist Supremacists immediate best interest to acknowledge Holocaust Revisionism.
Very nice of you to say "God grant you many safe years..." We Byzantine Catholics sing this during anniversary celebrations for old bucks like my me. Thank you, must go bussing!
Hey Chuck,
Thanks for the kind words. I always find comment threads more fruitful as dialogue and learn much more that way especially over topics that one can really open up about due to the protection anonymity affords. And yes, I have exchanged with Sam before – he is far more respectful than General Boykin.
I have heard good things about that particular book from others (for understanding the almost-schizophrenic states crowds can achieve) so I’ll check it out if I have time even if his analysis on Islam is lacking. No one’s perfect – can’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Peace.
ha-ha, Talha. My late-parents used to say such, and as I reflect upon my "Terrible 2's," perhaps mom & dad wanted to throw me out, in addition to the dirty bath water.
Thanks for recalling General Boykin's name! I actually prefer U.S. military officers who say what they mean , instead of words which gets them promoted. But then again, (sigh), there's the concern with Donald Trump's appointing "Mad Dog" Mattis as Secretary of (Offensive) Defense.
(Note: I really dig the old Don McLean song "Vincent;" especially the beautiful lyric, "the world was not meant for someone as beautiful as him")
Good night, pax in terra!
Talha,
You are a decent person and it's a pleasure to exchange thought with you.
In contrast to your opinion, I truly value Elias Canetti's very perceptive book, "Crowds & Power," but my pm school bus run starts at 2 pm, and I don't have time to go into the uniqueness of this great work which was not intended to be a study of Islamic history and doctrines. "Crowds and Power" demands quite a bit from readers, but is is rewarding.
One thought on Sam's "respectful attitude for Islam." I winced when I first read your take, and I can only hope his attitude is one part-per-million more respectful than the U.S. General who stated, "our god is better than their God."
Respectfully speaking, I know you were involved with commenting on P.G.'s "9-11 Truth" which went > 1,000 comments. There one can return to & document Sam's evasiveness to my having brought up the forensic research and findings of Christopher Bollyn in his brave book, "Solving 9-11."
But let's stay closer to this particular "thread" where Sam Shama tried to entice the smart "geokat22" into overlooking the great power & nefarious influence of oil speculators.
Also, one can note how Sam Shama (above) avoided "anon" who made top notch points on how it is in Zionist Supremacists immediate best interest to acknowledge Holocaust Revisionism.
Very nice of you to say "God grant you many safe years..." We Byzantine Catholics sing this during anniversary celebrations for old bucks like my me. Thank you, must go bussing!
Trouble with you Chuck is that while I sense you are a good chap, salt of the earth and all that, it is useful to approach each topic/sub-topic/OT thread with an empty canvas – in a manner of speaking. My conversation with geek at was simply an exercise in demonstrating that oil price increase over 2004-2008 was more driven by fundamental/structural factors while speculators [motivated by whatever factors] could only affect very short-term movements in derivatives, i.e. iow, long-term spot prices emerge from pure supply and demand. You’ll see that if you go through the thread and the article by Menzie Chin I had linked to.
The topic of 9/11 has been debated ad nauseum at this webzine, with Ron Unz himself, finally, weighing in on the barminess of some individuals. I find the topic a fruitless endeavour in the final analysis.
For you to gain satisfaction on 9-11, I reckon you’ll need to wait for Jonathan Revusky’s next tome. It gets quite interesting…..
Sam,
Very good that we hit this canvas, start anew, and address one another without resort to name calling. Some Jesuits insist that once human language hits such "fruitless" (vulgar) stage, one's character tends to get rotten.
Sine you have dialogued with the intelligent "anon" regarding special Jewish celebrations -- ones I frankly never heard about -- I will convey something about my world view.
As a Byzantine Catholic since January 1952, I can approach some topics as an "empty canvas" but, for one example, as all humans face death, a.k.a., "The thief who comes unexpectedly in the night," I look at individual human life in its totality..., and I find it very hard to BELIEVE humans leave our physical existence without having compiled a track record.
In other words, for me (!), when humans "kick the bucket," our life action and choices are not an "empty canvas." As I understand matters from a New Testament perspective, Jewish Pharisees believe in afterlife, and Sadduccees do not. Later when I'm not watching "The Andy Griffith Show" on METV, I turn to read Pierre Telihard de Chardin's book "Divine Milieu." 1,000 comment exchange still orbiting around P. Giraldi's "9-11 Truth."
I agree with you, no doubt, 9-11 continues to be "debated ad nauseum." That should not be the case! As you're aware, the function of the U.S. Department of Justice, including the F.B.I. is to (forensically) investigate the crime and arrive at judgements based upon facts. Why did 9-11 become a "closed case" according to Ehud Barak just hours after the (3) Towers fell?
Since an informal armistice is reached, I won't embarrass you by attaching Barak's insane words to B.B.C. on You Tube.
I understand how you feel Jonathan Revusky's "next tome" will give me "satisfaction." However, to date, and as you know, Christopher Bollyn's book, "Solving 9-11," gave me much more than mere "satisfaction." Again, as you know, human "satisfaction" can get fickle. At age 64, mine will not, Sam, and ideally Mr. Revusky will deliver something more than"interesting." We have nothing to lose but our souls.
Politics, especially as you noted the "international" variant, can rarely enter into a conversational as a dove. To finally end this comment, P. Giraldi's present article, "Iranophobes on Parade" (at best) entered into the Unz Review as a hawk seeking understanding. I think "anon" gave us some fresh dove meat to chew, and for that too I am grateful!
2nd sentence, line 3 should read “geokat” instead of “geek at”. I was not paying attention to the benighted word checker!
“… it is useful to approach each topic/sub-topic/OT thread with an empty canvas — in a manner of speaking.”
Sam,
Very good that we hit this canvas, start anew, and address one another without resort to name calling. Some Jesuits insist that once human language hits such “fruitless” (vulgar) stage, one’s character tends to get rotten.
Sine you have dialogued with the intelligent “anon” regarding special Jewish celebrations — ones I frankly never heard about — I will convey something about my world view.
As a Byzantine Catholic since January 1952, I can approach some topics as an “empty canvas” but, for one example, as all humans face death, a.k.a., “The thief who comes unexpectedly in the night,” I look at individual human life in its totality…, and I find it very hard to BELIEVE humans leave our physical existence without having compiled a track record.
In other words, for me (!), when humans “kick the bucket,” our life action and choices are not an “empty canvas.” As I understand matters from a New Testament perspective, Jewish Pharisees believe in afterlife, and Sadduccees do not. Later when I’m not watching “The Andy Griffith Show” on METV, I turn to read Pierre Telihard de Chardin’s book “Divine Milieu.” 1,000 comment exchange still orbiting around P. Giraldi’s “9-11 Truth.”
I agree with you, no doubt, 9-11 continues to be “debated ad nauseum.” That should not be the case! As you’re aware, the function of the U.S. Department of Justice, including the F.B.I. is to (forensically) investigate the crime and arrive at judgements based upon facts. Why did 9-11 become a “closed case” according to Ehud Barak just hours after the (3) Towers fell?
Since an informal armistice is reached, I won’t embarrass you by attaching Barak’s insane words to B.B.C. on You Tube.
I understand how you feel Jonathan Revusky’s “next tome” will give me “satisfaction.” However, to date, and as you know, Christopher Bollyn’s book, “Solving 9-11,” gave me much more than mere “satisfaction.” Again, as you know, human “satisfaction” can get fickle. At age 64, mine will not, Sam, and ideally Mr. Revusky will deliver something more than”interesting.” We have nothing to lose but our souls.
Politics, especially as you noted the “international” variant, can rarely enter into a conversational as a dove. To finally end this comment, P. Giraldi’s present article, “Iranophobes on Parade” (at best) entered into the Unz Review as a hawk seeking understanding. I think “anon” gave us some fresh dove meat to chew, and for that too I am grateful!
“… can’t throw out the baby with the bath water.”
ha-ha, Talha. My late-parents used to say such, and as I reflect upon my “Terrible 2′s,” perhaps mom & dad wanted to throw me out, in addition to the dirty bath water.
Thanks for recalling General Boykin’s name! I actually prefer U.S. military officers who say what they mean , instead of words which gets them promoted. But then again, (sigh), there’s the concern with Donald Trump’s appointing “Mad Dog” Mattis as Secretary of (Offensive) Defense.
(Note: I really dig the old Don McLean song “Vincent;” especially the beautiful lyric, “the world was not meant for someone as beautiful as him”)
Good night, pax in terra!
Precisely my point, Sam. What is a Canuck? The intent of my comment wasn’t to appear too clever by half… you know me better than that. No, it was my lame attempt to put on the table a serious topic for discussion – i.e., what is an American, Canadian, or Australian.
Being from Canada, I had accepted, without any critical thought, the prevailing view put forth by the current PM’s father – i.e, that Canada is comprised of its many ethnic communities and should be proud of its diversity. We considered ourselves a “cultural mosaic” and looked down upon America’s “melting pot.”
But after reading several articles and seeing several commenters here at Unz express their views on this topic, I’ve started questioning some of my earlier presuppositions.
For example, I recall one of Joe Webb’s previous derogatory comments regarding multiculturalism, and how he painted a bleak picture of the future, if things continued on the same path we’re currently on. I initially dismissed his comment, suggesting that if things didn’t work out for the Europeans, they could always just sail back from whence they came.
Since posting that comment, however, I have been doing some further research – especially into the wellsprings of popular culture, better known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism. Most Americans are unaware that the founders of Critical Theory, the theory that underpins political correctness, are a small group of intellectuals associated with the Frankfurt School. And the person who has done the most research on this topic is professor Kevin MacDonald. While I’ve just started reading his Culture of Critique, I’ve finished reading his essay, THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL OF SOCIAL RESEARCH AND THE ORIGINS OF THE THERAPEUTIC STATE, A Case Study of Jewish Intellectual Activism.
Here’s what he has to say about the theories put forth by the FS’s two leading members:
And what is the overarching vision of Critical Theory:
And how is any of this connected to your question of: What is a Canuck?:
So, before reading Prof MacDonald’s essay, like most people, I had no idea where the concept of multiculturalism had come from and who was responsible for promoting it. It seemed harmless enough on the surface. But now that the origins of this concept have been exposed, I’m not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do… or any Western country for that matter. If these nations stay on their current course, their future will be one of chronic conflict between different racial/ethnic groups. Not a bright future.
So, to answer your question, Sam, a Canuck, American, or Australian should be someone who is proud of his European culture, history, and identity and should fight vigorously to salvage it before it’s too late.
That’s my definition of a Canuck, Sam. And that’s my definition of a Yankee. I guess it all boils down to iffen’s earlier remark: “I have no hostility toward the right of the Germans to an ethno nation state, then or now.”
My hope, Sam, is that more Europeans (both inside and outside Europe) will stop worshipping at the feet of the false God of multiculturalism and re-embrace their culture, history, and identity… before it’s too late.
geokat62,
I am glad you have started research into the Frankfort school and it's dangerous migration into Columbia University -- which in the recent past "anon" most graciously commented upon and in addition, I believe "anon" provided a educational article "link." (Note: I'm pretty sure it was "anon" who had done us such servus, and I regret it if I am mistaken")
At any rate, and similar to Globalization/Free Trade agreements, multiculturalism was foisted upon western countries by faux leaders who have abandoned most human qualities (virtues) which distinguishes them as "great."
I perfectly understand you'd prefer kicking the matter of multiculturalism around with Sam Shama, but this popular & overwhelming concept has an Eastern side to the canvas. I'll do my best to explain, geokat62.
Christianity originated in the eastern Mediterranean basin. St. Cyril & Methodius traveled to Russia and translated the New Testament into Cyrillac, the alphabet used by Russians, and other Slavs. As a Byzantine Catholic bible thumper, I want to start by citing a brief passage from out of my Greek language bible which focuses upon nations and God's final judgement:
"When the Son of Man comes as king, he will sit on his royal throne and all the nations will be gathered before him... divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats."
Isn't it interesting how this passage indicates people of the earth must undergo divine judgement as nations? As a student of 19th & 20th century Russian literature, I was consistently struck by how revered writers of the time focused upon the critical need for individual and nationwide repentance before God. Even Ivan Turgenev's atheist-anarchist hero & medical doctor, "Bazarov" from "Fathers and Sons" called Russia to a glory of one's rising above personal greed, avarice , etcetera.
Just last year, please recall how Pope Francis called for nations to accept refugees from Middle East and N. African nations, and too conveniently, chose not to explain the U.S./Zionist wars which caused the massive migration of besieged people. One peculiarity is the fact that the Russian Orthodox patriarch did not join in with the Pope's (zionist endorsed) plan for a multicultural western Europe. Close to both the Russian Orthodox Church and also P.M. Netanyahu, President Vladimir Putin avoided opening Russia's doors to War on Terror (Islamic) refugees.
geokat62, I admire your endeavors to study and take note how Europeans are conditioned to "worship at the feet of a False God." Eventually those with open minds, i.e. yours, will come to know the historical-political truth, however painful it is. So I want to give you a reading advisory on an essay called "Repentance and Self-Limitations in the Life of Nations," written by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. (Note: The essay's included in A.S.'s book "Under the Rubble," and it's essay is accessible via Google search)
Sine the attack on U.S.S. Liberty, the non-investigation into the shooting down of TWA Flight 800, and the 9-11 False Flag attacks, I have reasonably faulted, (like millions of others), Zionist control of the U.S. government, academia, and the M.S.M. Unless proven wrong, I will continue to do so until I'm carried up to Rooster Hill. However, the quotation (below) by Solzhenitsyn will forever gnaw at me, a small town American, who listens to Trump's promise to "Make America Great Again":
"It may turn out that we (as a nation) are already incapable of following the path of our dreams, reaching out and acknowledging our mistakes, our sins, our crimes. In that case there is no moral escape route from the pit into which we have fallen. And every other way out is illusory, no more than social delusion."
geokat62, the final sentence in Solzhenitsyn's "Repentance & Self-Limitation" is this: "And it does not change, the club of Rome has done the arithmetic: we have less than a hundred years to live." Given U.S. endless war and economic hardships, how long do we (290 million?) have to live as a highly DIVIDED nation under Deep State rule? By renewal of a JFK initiative, maybe President Trump will call for The Lobby (AIPAC) repentance and make them register as a foreign agent?
http://static.ow.ly/docs/Political%20Correctnes%20-%20A%20Short%20History%20of%20an%20Idealogy_9Nd.pdf
Lind has written the introduction and the first of 6 chapters.
Here are the most pertinent excerpts from the intro and Ch. 1 (I will post excepts from the remaining chapters separately for ease of reading. For those who prefer a summary version, read William Lind's, The Origins of Political Correctness http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/ ):
I always view what you have to say with skepticism, but you repeat this so often and with such conviction .... :)
how many sd above the mean are you, iffen
I fret about my IQ even less than I worry about what dem Jews are up to.
Let's just say that it is high enough that I am aware that it is fixed and that I didn't have anything to do with setting it.
So we do have something in common, after all.
Hmmm, and all this time I thought of you as a patriot like me.
something in common
Hmmm, and all this time I thought of you as a patriot like me.
Being from Canada, I had accepted, without any critical thought, the prevailing view put forth by the current PM's father - i.e, that Canada is comprised of its many ethnic communities and should be proud of its diversity. We considered ourselves a "cultural mosaic" and looked down upon America's "melting pot."
But after reading several articles and seeing several commenters here at Unz express their views on this topic, I've started questioning some of my earlier presuppositions.
For example, I recall one of Joe Webb's previous derogatory comments regarding multiculturalism, and how he painted a bleak picture of the future, if things continued on the same path we're currently on. I initially dismissed his comment, suggesting that if things didn't work out for the Europeans, they could always just sail back from whence they came.
Since posting that comment, however, I have been doing some further research - especially into the wellsprings of popular culture, better known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism. Most Americans are unaware that the founders of Critical Theory, the theory that underpins political correctness, are a small group of intellectuals associated with the Frankfurt School. And the person who has done the most research on this topic is professor Kevin MacDonald. While I've just started reading his Culture of Critique, I've finished reading his essay, THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL OF SOCIAL RESEARCH AND THE ORIGINS OF THE THERAPEUTIC STATE, A Case Study of Jewish Intellectual Activism.
Here's what he has to say about the theories put forth by the FS's two leading members:And what is the overarching vision of Critical Theory:And how is any of this connected to your question of: What is a Canuck?:So, before reading Prof MacDonald's essay, like most people, I had no idea where the concept of multiculturalism had come from and who was responsible for promoting it. It seemed harmless enough on the surface. But now that the origins of this concept have been exposed, I'm not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do... or any Western country for that matter. If these nations stay on their current course, their future will be one of chronic conflict between different racial/ethnic groups. Not a bright future.
So, to answer your question, Sam, a Canuck, American, or Australian should be someone who is proud of his European culture, history, and identity and should fight vigorously to salvage it before it's too late.
That's my definition of a Canuck, Sam. And that's my definition of a Yankee. I guess it all boils down to iffen's earlier remark: "I have no hostility toward the right of the Germans to an ethno nation state, then or now."
My hope, Sam, is that more Europeans (both inside and outside Europe) will stop worshipping at the feet of the false God of multiculturalism and re-embrace their culture, history, and identity... before it's too late.
“… I’m not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do… or any other Western country for that matter.”
geokat62,
I am glad you have started research into the Frankfort school and it’s dangerous migration into Columbia University — which in the recent past “anon” most graciously commented upon and in addition, I believe “anon” provided a educational article “link.” (Note: I’m pretty sure it was “anon” who had done us such servus, and I regret it if I am mistaken”)
At any rate, and similar to Globalization/Free Trade agreements, multiculturalism was foisted upon western countries by faux leaders who have abandoned most human qualities (virtues) which distinguishes them as “great.”
I perfectly understand you’d prefer kicking the matter of multiculturalism around with Sam Shama, but this popular & overwhelming concept has an Eastern side to the canvas. I’ll do my best to explain, geokat62.
Christianity originated in the eastern Mediterranean basin. St. Cyril & Methodius traveled to Russia and translated the New Testament into Cyrillac, the alphabet used by Russians, and other Slavs. As a Byzantine Catholic bible thumper, I want to start by citing a brief passage from out of my Greek language bible which focuses upon nations and God’s final judgement:
“When the Son of Man comes as king, he will sit on his royal throne and all the nations will be gathered before him… divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”
Isn’t it interesting how this passage indicates people of the earth must undergo divine judgement as nations? As a student of 19th & 20th century Russian literature, I was consistently struck by how revered writers of the time focused upon the critical need for individual and nationwide repentance before God. Even Ivan Turgenev’s atheist-anarchist hero & medical doctor, “Bazarov” from “Fathers and Sons” called Russia to a glory of one’s rising above personal greed, avarice , etcetera.
Just last year, please recall how Pope Francis called for nations to accept refugees from Middle East and N. African nations, and too conveniently, chose not to explain the U.S./Zionist wars which caused the massive migration of besieged people. One peculiarity is the fact that the Russian Orthodox patriarch did not join in with the Pope’s (zionist endorsed) plan for a multicultural western Europe. Close to both the Russian Orthodox Church and also P.M. Netanyahu, President Vladimir Putin avoided opening Russia’s doors to War on Terror (Islamic) refugees.
geokat62, I admire your endeavors to study and take note how Europeans are conditioned to “worship at the feet of a False God.” Eventually those with open minds, i.e. yours, will come to know the historical-political truth, however painful it is. So I want to give you a reading advisory on an essay called “Repentance and Self-Limitations in the Life of Nations,” written by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. (Note: The essay’s included in A.S.’s book “Under the Rubble,” and it’s essay is accessible via Google search)
Sine the attack on U.S.S. Liberty, the non-investigation into the shooting down of TWA Flight 800, and the 9-11 False Flag attacks, I have reasonably faulted, (like millions of others), Zionist control of the U.S. government, academia, and the M.S.M. Unless proven wrong, I will continue to do so until I’m carried up to Rooster Hill. However, the quotation (below) by Solzhenitsyn will forever gnaw at me, a small town American, who listens to Trump’s promise to “Make America Great Again”:
“It may turn out that we (as a nation) are already incapable of following the path of our dreams, reaching out and acknowledging our mistakes, our sins, our crimes. In that case there is no moral escape route from the pit into which we have fallen. And every other way out is illusory, no more than social delusion.”
geokat62, the final sentence in Solzhenitsyn’s “Repentance & Self-Limitation” is this: “And it does not change, the club of Rome has done the arithmetic: we have less than a hundred years to live.” Given U.S. endless war and economic hardships, how long do we (290 million?) have to live as a highly DIVIDED nation under Deep State rule? By renewal of a JFK initiative, maybe President Trump will call for The Lobby (AIPAC) repentance and make them register as a foreign agent?
Speaking of JFK, have you had the opportunity to read Michael Collins Piper's Final Judgement?
Here's a brief blurb from the book:
Being from Canada, I had accepted, without any critical thought, the prevailing view put forth by the current PM's father - i.e, that Canada is comprised of its many ethnic communities and should be proud of its diversity. We considered ourselves a "cultural mosaic" and looked down upon America's "melting pot."
But after reading several articles and seeing several commenters here at Unz express their views on this topic, I've started questioning some of my earlier presuppositions.
For example, I recall one of Joe Webb's previous derogatory comments regarding multiculturalism, and how he painted a bleak picture of the future, if things continued on the same path we're currently on. I initially dismissed his comment, suggesting that if things didn't work out for the Europeans, they could always just sail back from whence they came.
Since posting that comment, however, I have been doing some further research - especially into the wellsprings of popular culture, better known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism. Most Americans are unaware that the founders of Critical Theory, the theory that underpins political correctness, are a small group of intellectuals associated with the Frankfurt School. And the person who has done the most research on this topic is professor Kevin MacDonald. While I've just started reading his Culture of Critique, I've finished reading his essay, THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL OF SOCIAL RESEARCH AND THE ORIGINS OF THE THERAPEUTIC STATE, A Case Study of Jewish Intellectual Activism.
Here's what he has to say about the theories put forth by the FS's two leading members:And what is the overarching vision of Critical Theory:And how is any of this connected to your question of: What is a Canuck?:So, before reading Prof MacDonald's essay, like most people, I had no idea where the concept of multiculturalism had come from and who was responsible for promoting it. It seemed harmless enough on the surface. But now that the origins of this concept have been exposed, I'm not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do... or any Western country for that matter. If these nations stay on their current course, their future will be one of chronic conflict between different racial/ethnic groups. Not a bright future.
So, to answer your question, Sam, a Canuck, American, or Australian should be someone who is proud of his European culture, history, and identity and should fight vigorously to salvage it before it's too late.
That's my definition of a Canuck, Sam. And that's my definition of a Yankee. I guess it all boils down to iffen's earlier remark: "I have no hostility toward the right of the Germans to an ethno nation state, then or now."
My hope, Sam, is that more Europeans (both inside and outside Europe) will stop worshipping at the feet of the false God of multiculturalism and re-embrace their culture, history, and identity... before it's too late.
Each one of us is entitled to pursue, observe and celebrate a cultural tradition of our choice. I believe that there is a simpler explanation for all the white angst, which in truth is not a grain more different from the English angst against the Irish etc arriving on these shores in the centuries past.
While I find that numbers are of the essence, i.e., unceremoniously depositing large cohorts of outsiders on an established community within a short period is problematic, it is unclear that European culture is under any significant assault by immigrants. It is, in fact, the European culture or rather its American version which happens to have swept the globe. Technology and the ease of communication have rendered all local knowledge and customs global, but their adoption entirely a local choice. Hollywood has played a key role.
I am by no means an advocate of sappy “multi-culturalism” – I, like many jews from England, am a bit of monarchist of that tradition, G’d, Queen, country and the hangman’s noose and so forth – and it is my personal belief that we’d benefit from a return of those mores; education re-crafted to embrace the classical: English, Latin, Mathematics, Philosophy [not pre-Socratic
] Science and the Fine Arts. But that is just me, perhaps like most men with the fourth decade imminent, mistaking nostalgia for a bolt of keen insight!
If you are against multi-culturalism, what say you to a man like Talha, an American who is steeped not only in European education language and training but also brings with him a true knowledge of Islam, its rich history and culture currently under attack?
What say you then, to the notion that Israel is entitled to it own culture and ethnic identity? [it is "Jewish", whatever that means, but more correctly defined as a mixture of various European sub-cultures and some well-preserved Jerusalmic middle-eastern vinegar] ?
P.S. Trade as it gets confused with multi-culturalism is an economic matter and need addressing from an expanded set of economic arguments beyond the typical “comparative advantage” myopia.
Sam,
I understand you're only in your forties (40's) and that is likely the reason why you are so quick to make rush to judgements, like above. Young, you have some to mature in wisdom, Sam.
The American culture, including major and evangelical religions, was subdued by the gradual imposition of Jewish Zionist preferred "cultural" values (via Hollywood & TV) and -- with cooperation from pastors & priests -- sank "ordinary" believer's passion for forgiveness, mercy, love of thy neighbor plus (+) same for thy enemy, and relegated the Sermon on Mount "blessed are the peacemakers" to a Godfathers pizza oven.
Also, & as you're aware, Sam, to date, Iran Zionized-European & American values have yet to take hold in Iran. There's Madonna performances in Rome & Tel Aviv, but such bare titty & bottomless joys are not the case in Teheran.
However, and as Phil Giraldi well knows, a thorough Superpower bombing of Iran and "draining" the desert oasis's of Iran's Islamic government might result in at least Neil Young getting to perform in "liberated" Teheran!
Below is an article where in N.Y.C., a powerful Jewish-American mayor tried to persuade president-elect Zionist Trump to go softer on illegal immigration.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/12/07/emanuel-to-meet-trump-in-new-york/
To geokat62: You might want to Google-search Mayor Emanuel's family background and acquaint yourself with his favored cultural values. They are not "Andy of Mayberry."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/us/18census.htmlAs you well know, Sam, what has swept the globe is the Frankfurt School's cultural Marxism, which "called into question all of the sources of cohesion of Western societies: family, religion, culture, and race/ethnicity."Ya think?It may be your personal belief, Sam, but you'd have a hell of a time convincing the founders of the FS.I wish nothing but the best for Talha... he seems to be a very decent man. That said, I'd say what I have said previously: I truly believe in diversity, but not the intra-national variety. I believe that the only diversity that is sustainable and beneficial is the inter-national variety. Once again, here's my exchange with JW:In light of my newfound understanding of the origins of cultural Marxism, the only words I would change in this comment is the final paragraph regarding the New World.
"This is an unprecedented event in human history; masses of Muslim refugees migrating to non-Muslim lands due to war – I can’t think of a single time that has ever happened before on a large scale – perhaps others can. In the past, they usually migrated to another Muslim land (examples; dispersion into the Levant from Mongol invasions, Circassians settled into Ottoman lands, etc.). Sometimes even non-Muslim refugees settled into Muslim lands (examples; Jews expelled from Spain, various Christian sects into Ottoman lands during the Thirty Years War, etc.)…but not the other way around (again, that I know of). Will this work out? We have no precedent…whether successful or disastrous from which to draw lessons."
I also know, despite terms such as "citizenship", "residency", etc., what the sacred law has traditionally stated about Muslim presence in non-Muslim lands - as Prof. Jonathan Brown articulated:
"According to the Shariah, Muslims living in the West (or other non-Muslim states) are essentially visitors from the perspective of the sacred law. The standard definition amongst Muslim scholars for the Abode of Islam (Dar al-Islam) was those lands where the Shariah reigns. Muslims outside that space reside in lands and countries as guests of whatever legal or religious system reigns there. If the law of the land were to prohibit Muslims from carrying out a duty required by the Shariah, such as prayer, or require them to do something clearly forbidden in Islam, such as drinking alcohol, the standard opinion amongst classical Muslim scholars was that Muslims could no longer reside there (a second opinion was that they should remain so that the religion of Islam would not vanish there). Otherwise, Muslims must respect the law of the land. Their decision to reside in those lands represents their agreement to a contract with the governments ruling them."
The legal systems here are great, but they are not tied necessarily to a transcendent authority - though they make reference to it:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Thus, we are beholden to the whims of the times - citizenship may be here today and revoked tomorrow - que sera sera. Which is why, as I referenced in post #223, the experience of Jews being different in Muslim lands, because the arrangement was defined through immutable sacred law and thus, even when Jews were kicked around, "they recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement..."
One thing I have learned from reading history; nothing is permanent. One thing I've learned from reading the books of sacred law; Muslims are to assume absolutely nothing when it comes to non-Muslim institutions or practice - the only thing to bear in mind is how one is expected to behave or engage.
Peace.
“It is in fact the European culture or rather the American versions which has happened to sweep the globe.”
Sam,
I understand you’re only in your forties (40′s) and that is likely the reason why you are so quick to make rush to judgements, like above. Young, you have some to mature in wisdom, Sam.
The American culture, including major and evangelical religions, was subdued by the gradual imposition of Jewish Zionist preferred “cultural” values (via Hollywood & TV) and — with cooperation from pastors & priests — sank “ordinary” believer’s passion for forgiveness, mercy, love of thy neighbor plus (+) same for thy enemy, and relegated the Sermon on Mount “blessed are the peacemakers” to a Godfathers pizza oven.
Also, & as you’re aware, Sam, to date, Iran Zionized-European & American values have yet to take hold in Iran. There’s Madonna performances in Rome & Tel Aviv, but such bare titty & bottomless joys are not the case in Teheran.
However, and as Phil Giraldi well knows, a thorough Superpower bombing of Iran and “draining” the desert oasis’s of Iran’s Islamic government might result in at least Neil Young getting to perform in “liberated” Teheran!
Below is an article where in N.Y.C., a powerful Jewish-American mayor tried to persuade president-elect Zionist Trump to go softer on illegal immigration.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/12/07/emanuel-to-meet-trump-in-new-york/
To geokat62: You might want to Google-search Mayor Emanuel’s family background and acquaint yourself with his favored cultural values. They are not “Andy of Mayberry.”
geokat62,
I am glad you have started research into the Frankfort school and it's dangerous migration into Columbia University -- which in the recent past "anon" most graciously commented upon and in addition, I believe "anon" provided a educational article "link." (Note: I'm pretty sure it was "anon" who had done us such servus, and I regret it if I am mistaken")
At any rate, and similar to Globalization/Free Trade agreements, multiculturalism was foisted upon western countries by faux leaders who have abandoned most human qualities (virtues) which distinguishes them as "great."
I perfectly understand you'd prefer kicking the matter of multiculturalism around with Sam Shama, but this popular & overwhelming concept has an Eastern side to the canvas. I'll do my best to explain, geokat62.
Christianity originated in the eastern Mediterranean basin. St. Cyril & Methodius traveled to Russia and translated the New Testament into Cyrillac, the alphabet used by Russians, and other Slavs. As a Byzantine Catholic bible thumper, I want to start by citing a brief passage from out of my Greek language bible which focuses upon nations and God's final judgement:
"When the Son of Man comes as king, he will sit on his royal throne and all the nations will be gathered before him... divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats."
Isn't it interesting how this passage indicates people of the earth must undergo divine judgement as nations? As a student of 19th & 20th century Russian literature, I was consistently struck by how revered writers of the time focused upon the critical need for individual and nationwide repentance before God. Even Ivan Turgenev's atheist-anarchist hero & medical doctor, "Bazarov" from "Fathers and Sons" called Russia to a glory of one's rising above personal greed, avarice , etcetera.
Just last year, please recall how Pope Francis called for nations to accept refugees from Middle East and N. African nations, and too conveniently, chose not to explain the U.S./Zionist wars which caused the massive migration of besieged people. One peculiarity is the fact that the Russian Orthodox patriarch did not join in with the Pope's (zionist endorsed) plan for a multicultural western Europe. Close to both the Russian Orthodox Church and also P.M. Netanyahu, President Vladimir Putin avoided opening Russia's doors to War on Terror (Islamic) refugees.
geokat62, I admire your endeavors to study and take note how Europeans are conditioned to "worship at the feet of a False God." Eventually those with open minds, i.e. yours, will come to know the historical-political truth, however painful it is. So I want to give you a reading advisory on an essay called "Repentance and Self-Limitations in the Life of Nations," written by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. (Note: The essay's included in A.S.'s book "Under the Rubble," and it's essay is accessible via Google search)
Sine the attack on U.S.S. Liberty, the non-investigation into the shooting down of TWA Flight 800, and the 9-11 False Flag attacks, I have reasonably faulted, (like millions of others), Zionist control of the U.S. government, academia, and the M.S.M. Unless proven wrong, I will continue to do so until I'm carried up to Rooster Hill. However, the quotation (below) by Solzhenitsyn will forever gnaw at me, a small town American, who listens to Trump's promise to "Make America Great Again":
"It may turn out that we (as a nation) are already incapable of following the path of our dreams, reaching out and acknowledging our mistakes, our sins, our crimes. In that case there is no moral escape route from the pit into which we have fallen. And every other way out is illusory, no more than social delusion."
geokat62, the final sentence in Solzhenitsyn's "Repentance & Self-Limitation" is this: "And it does not change, the club of Rome has done the arithmetic: we have less than a hundred years to live." Given U.S. endless war and economic hardships, how long do we (290 million?) have to live as a highly DIVIDED nation under Deep State rule? By renewal of a JFK initiative, maybe President Trump will call for The Lobby (AIPAC) repentance and make them register as a foreign agent?
Appreciate the reference, Chuck. I’ve added it to my reading list.
Trump has to be very careful not to get JFKed.
Speaking of JFK, have you had the opportunity to read Michael Collins Piper’s Final Judgement?
Here’s a brief blurb from the book:
geohat62,
No, unfortunately I have not. The book is expensive eeeven on "used" amazon.com and I have a bad "under lining" habit which does not fly with library loaned book.
It's very third rate (chessey?) when one has to call attention to their own published article, but by the good grace of The UncommonThought Journal editor, mine (below) managed to surface on the net.
http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2016/11/27/jfk-and-me-cleaning-out-the-swamp-an-ax-to-grind-with-toxins-left-behind-in-permindex-basement.php
Background: August this year, I was nominated to participate in the Vincent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to made points about JFK's killing which other members did not want to discuss. After I did the same with the 9-11 lie & cover up, the V.S. Forum's "subtle" minds showed me the exit door. Live & learn, geokat62!
Thank you. You will appreciate Solzhenitsyn's mature essay, "Repentance and Self Limitations in the Life of Nations" much more than my "JFK & Me."
Sam,
I understand you're only in your forties (40's) and that is likely the reason why you are so quick to make rush to judgements, like above. Young, you have some to mature in wisdom, Sam.
The American culture, including major and evangelical religions, was subdued by the gradual imposition of Jewish Zionist preferred "cultural" values (via Hollywood & TV) and -- with cooperation from pastors & priests -- sank "ordinary" believer's passion for forgiveness, mercy, love of thy neighbor plus (+) same for thy enemy, and relegated the Sermon on Mount "blessed are the peacemakers" to a Godfathers pizza oven.
Also, & as you're aware, Sam, to date, Iran Zionized-European & American values have yet to take hold in Iran. There's Madonna performances in Rome & Tel Aviv, but such bare titty & bottomless joys are not the case in Teheran.
However, and as Phil Giraldi well knows, a thorough Superpower bombing of Iran and "draining" the desert oasis's of Iran's Islamic government might result in at least Neil Young getting to perform in "liberated" Teheran!
Below is an article where in N.Y.C., a powerful Jewish-American mayor tried to persuade president-elect Zionist Trump to go softer on illegal immigration.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/12/07/emanuel-to-meet-trump-in-new-york/
To geokat62: You might want to Google-search Mayor Emanuel's family background and acquaint yourself with his favored cultural values. They are not "Andy of Mayberry."
Thanks, Chuck. I am very familiar with Rahm Emanuel’s background. Here is one of my favourite RE quotes:
I wish that were true, Sam. But what if the only thing appearing on the menu is Gefilte fish?
Projections Put Whites in Minority in U.S. by 2050
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/us/18census.html
As you well know, Sam, what has swept the globe is the Frankfurt School’s cultural Marxism, which “called into question all of the sources of cohesion of Western societies: family, religion, culture, and race/ethnicity.”
Ya think?
It may be your personal belief, Sam, but you’d have a hell of a time convincing the founders of the FS.
I wish nothing but the best for Talha… he seems to be a very decent man. That said, I’d say what I have said previously: I truly believe in diversity, but not the intra-national variety. I believe that the only diversity that is sustainable and beneficial is the inter-national variety. Once again, here’s my exchange with JW:
In light of my newfound understanding of the origins of cultural Marxism, the only words I would change in this comment is the final paragraph regarding the New World.
1. Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West
2. The Third Jihad
3. Iranium
These films were produced and distributed by a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit organization called The Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc.), part of The Lobby.
Why, they were enough to motivate Anders Breivik to murder over 70 Norwegians.
Thanks - may God grant you only the best as well. The one gray area is the one dealing with Western converts to Islam; like my wife, and the two wonderful young women that came to our home recently to talk about their recent conversion. They are at the crossroads of both cultures - just something to think about.
I am fascinated at how much Europe has lost of its localized culture over the years. If you look for pictures of a Yemeni wedding, or a Moroccan or Malay or Punjabi or Senagalese one - you will see that the dress of both the bride and groom varies greatly from culture to culture - even though they share the same religion. But if you look for wedding pictures of Swedes, Germans, Italians, Brits, etc. - they all look the same*. This was not the case around the late 1800s; you would never mistake a Bavarian for a Genoese or a Parisian or even a Hessian! What the heck happened??!! The universal globo-culture marches on!
Peace.
*Note: You do get some hold outs like the Irish and the Scotts and the Eastern Europeans.
Hmmm, and all this time I thought of you as a patriot like me.
Patriot? Since when do true American patriots obsess about the status of a foreign capital?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/us/18census.htmlAs you well know, Sam, what has swept the globe is the Frankfurt School's cultural Marxism, which "called into question all of the sources of cohesion of Western societies: family, religion, culture, and race/ethnicity."Ya think?It may be your personal belief, Sam, but you'd have a hell of a time convincing the founders of the FS.I wish nothing but the best for Talha... he seems to be a very decent man. That said, I'd say what I have said previously: I truly believe in diversity, but not the intra-national variety. I believe that the only diversity that is sustainable and beneficial is the inter-national variety. Once again, here's my exchange with JW:In light of my newfound understanding of the origins of cultural Marxism, the only words I would change in this comment is the final paragraph regarding the New World.
Just to cover all the basis, Sam, take a look at these professionally made videos, and tell me if you still think European culture isn’t under threat:
1. Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West
2. The Third Jihad
3. Iranium
These films were produced and distributed by a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit organization called The Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc.), part of The Lobby.
Why, they were enough to motivate Anders Breivik to murder over 70 Norwegians.
Hey Sam,
I love living here and thank the Almighty for the over three decades that He has allowed me to live and benefit among the people of America. I would love for it to continue, but I also know that a permanent Muslim presence is unprecedented in the history of Western Europe (as the Spanish reneged on the terms of surrender and eventually kicked out all Muslims from Spain). As I mentioned in a previous post:
“This is an unprecedented event in human history; masses of Muslim refugees migrating to non-Muslim lands due to war – I can’t think of a single time that has ever happened before on a large scale – perhaps others can. In the past, they usually migrated to another Muslim land (examples; dispersion into the Levant from Mongol invasions, Circassians settled into Ottoman lands, etc.). Sometimes even non-Muslim refugees settled into Muslim lands (examples; Jews expelled from Spain, various Christian sects into Ottoman lands during the Thirty Years War, etc.)…but not the other way around (again, that I know of). Will this work out? We have no precedent…whether successful or disastrous from which to draw lessons.”
I also know, despite terms such as “citizenship”, “residency”, etc., what the sacred law has traditionally stated about Muslim presence in non-Muslim lands – as Prof. Jonathan Brown articulated:
“According to the Shariah, Muslims living in the West (or other non-Muslim states) are essentially visitors from the perspective of the sacred law. The standard definition amongst Muslim scholars for the Abode of Islam (Dar al-Islam) was those lands where the Shariah reigns. Muslims outside that space reside in lands and countries as guests of whatever legal or religious system reigns there. If the law of the land were to prohibit Muslims from carrying out a duty required by the Shariah, such as prayer, or require them to do something clearly forbidden in Islam, such as drinking alcohol, the standard opinion amongst classical Muslim scholars was that Muslims could no longer reside there (a second opinion was that they should remain so that the religion of Islam would not vanish there). Otherwise, Muslims must respect the law of the land. Their decision to reside in those lands represents their agreement to a contract with the governments ruling them.”
The legal systems here are great, but they are not tied necessarily to a transcendent authority – though they make reference to it:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Thus, we are beholden to the whims of the times – citizenship may be here today and revoked tomorrow – que sera sera. Which is why, as I referenced in post #223, the experience of Jews being different in Muslim lands, because the arrangement was defined through immutable sacred law and thus, even when Jews were kicked around, “they recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement…”
One thing I have learned from reading history; nothing is permanent. One thing I’ve learned from reading the books of sacred law; Muslims are to assume absolutely nothing when it comes to non-Muslim institutions or practice – the only thing to bear in mind is how one is expected to behave or engage.
Peace.
Sam,
I understand you're only in your forties (40's) and that is likely the reason why you are so quick to make rush to judgements, like above. Young, you have some to mature in wisdom, Sam.
The American culture, including major and evangelical religions, was subdued by the gradual imposition of Jewish Zionist preferred "cultural" values (via Hollywood & TV) and -- with cooperation from pastors & priests -- sank "ordinary" believer's passion for forgiveness, mercy, love of thy neighbor plus (+) same for thy enemy, and relegated the Sermon on Mount "blessed are the peacemakers" to a Godfathers pizza oven.
Also, & as you're aware, Sam, to date, Iran Zionized-European & American values have yet to take hold in Iran. There's Madonna performances in Rome & Tel Aviv, but such bare titty & bottomless joys are not the case in Teheran.
However, and as Phil Giraldi well knows, a thorough Superpower bombing of Iran and "draining" the desert oasis's of Iran's Islamic government might result in at least Neil Young getting to perform in "liberated" Teheran!
Below is an article where in N.Y.C., a powerful Jewish-American mayor tried to persuade president-elect Zionist Trump to go softer on illegal immigration.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/12/07/emanuel-to-meet-trump-in-new-york/
To geokat62: You might want to Google-search Mayor Emanuel's family background and acquaint yourself with his favored cultural values. They are not "Andy of Mayberry."
No, Chuck, Sam’s only in his 30′s. (Your reading comprehension slipping in your advanced years?
) And so is Talha, I believe. They’re both, especially the verbose Talha, passing as sages, but they’re barely middle-aged. And all this religious muckety-muck is tedious. Three cheers for the billionaires.
Nope, those days are never coming back. I am officially over forty - every time I look in the mirror I think I see a new gray hair.
Peace.
Chuck, you and Geokat ought to form a breakfast club, unless there's one already, and by all means encourage S2C's inner Solon to emerge from the byzantine chrysalis ;)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/us/18census.htmlAs you well know, Sam, what has swept the globe is the Frankfurt School's cultural Marxism, which "called into question all of the sources of cohesion of Western societies: family, religion, culture, and race/ethnicity."Ya think?It may be your personal belief, Sam, but you'd have a hell of a time convincing the founders of the FS.I wish nothing but the best for Talha... he seems to be a very decent man. That said, I'd say what I have said previously: I truly believe in diversity, but not the intra-national variety. I believe that the only diversity that is sustainable and beneficial is the inter-national variety. Once again, here's my exchange with JW:In light of my newfound understanding of the origins of cultural Marxism, the only words I would change in this comment is the final paragraph regarding the New World.
Hey Geo,
Thanks – may God grant you only the best as well. The one gray area is the one dealing with Western converts to Islam; like my wife, and the two wonderful young women that came to our home recently to talk about their recent conversion. They are at the crossroads of both cultures – just something to think about.
I am fascinated at how much Europe has lost of its localized culture over the years. If you look for pictures of a Yemeni wedding, or a Moroccan or Malay or Punjabi or Senagalese one – you will see that the dress of both the bride and groom varies greatly from culture to culture – even though they share the same religion. But if you look for wedding pictures of Swedes, Germans, Italians, Brits, etc. – they all look the same*. This was not the case around the late 1800s; you would never mistake a Bavarian for a Genoese or a Parisian or even a Hessian! What the heck happened??!! The universal globo-culture marches on!
Peace.
*Note: You do get some hold outs like the Irish and the Scotts and the Eastern Europeans.
Hey RobinG,
Nope, those days are never coming back. I am officially over forty – every time I look in the mirror I think I see a new gray hair.
Peace.
Nope, those days are never coming back. I am officially over forty - every time I look in the mirror I think I see a new gray hair.
Peace.
Gee, how precious, over 40!
No doubt, I'm a young 'un compared to some of the veteran posters here at UNZ. But that's partly why I like coming back here - a lot of age-earned wisdom and perspective to glean insights from - like how Chuck shared regarding his metaphysical outlook on things derived from his Byzantine Catholic background.
Feel free to ignore me and my lengthy comments, I won't be offended - sometimes I think my wife would love to have a filter button for me too. :)
Peace.
Hey RobinG,
No doubt, I’m a young ‘un compared to some of the veteran posters here at UNZ. But that’s partly why I like coming back here – a lot of age-earned wisdom and perspective to glean insights from – like how Chuck shared regarding his metaphysical outlook on things derived from his Byzantine Catholic background.
Feel free to ignore me and my lengthy comments, I won’t be offended – sometimes I think my wife would love to have a filter button for me too.
Peace.
No doubt, I'm a young 'un compared to some of the veteran posters here at UNZ. But that's partly why I like coming back here - a lot of age-earned wisdom and perspective to glean insights from - like how Chuck shared regarding his metaphysical outlook on things derived from his Byzantine Catholic background.
Feel free to ignore me and my lengthy comments, I won't be offended - sometimes I think my wife would love to have a filter button for me too. :)
Peace.
You too, huh.
Peace.
We do not have a common understanding of what obsess and true mean.
Speaking of JFK, have you had the opportunity to read Michael Collins Piper's Final Judgement?
Here's a brief blurb from the book:
“… have you opportunity to read Michael Collins Piper “Final Judgement?”
geohat62,
No, unfortunately I have not. The book is expensive eeeven on “used” amazon.com and I have a bad “under lining” habit which does not fly with library loaned book.
It’s very third rate (chessey?) when one has to call attention to their own published article, but by the good grace of The UncommonThought Journal editor, mine (below) managed to surface on the net.
http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2016/11/27/jfk-and-me-cleaning-out-the-swamp-an-ax-to-grind-with-toxins-left-behind-in-permindex-basement.php
Background: August this year, I was nominated to participate in the Vincent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to made points about JFK’s killing which other members did not want to discuss. After I did the same with the 9-11 lie & cover up, the V.S. Forum’s “subtle” minds showed me the exit door. Live & learn, geokat62!
Thank you. You will appreciate Solzhenitsyn’s mature essay, “Repentance and Self Limitations in the Life of Nations” much more than my “JFK & Me.”
Solzhenitsyn was a giant among men - thanks for the essay reference.
Peace.
Chuck.....
Although you did not go into the points you made about the JFK's assassination, I suspect that if you discussed the main premise (the Mossad killed JFK) in Collins Piper's "Final Judgment" book is the reason why you quickly got booted out of the forum. What was the objectives of the forum?
Was the main forum objective to open and discussed a cold case murder, or was it to continue the cover up of who actually killed JFK? If they didn't want to discuss Israel's involvement in the assassination, which the main stream media has not and will not entertain, then maybe the forum was just another Zionist controlled opposition, doing what they do best.. Covering up their tracks.
The Zio media has no problem covering the numerous conspiracies on who killed JFK.
Oswald - lone gunman
Russian - hit men
CIA - rogue assassins unleashed by the military intelligence
Italian Mafia - furious over losing their Cuban casinos
Notice our media never covers the the possibility Israel was behind the assassination. What is not covered, is not covered for a reason. The reason is to hide the real culprits who kill the last American President who challenged the Zionists. Today the same organizations are covering up who did 911.
If you search on the internet " the Mossad killed JFK" you will get hundreds of articles detailing Israeli motives for taking out JFK. JFK, our last American president, stood in the way of Israel's quest for a nuclear weapon. JFK had to go!
The key to connecting the Mossad to JFK's murder is Jack Ruby, the man who killed the patsy, Oswald. His full name is Jack Rubenstein. When Jack Ruby shot Oswald, the Zio main stream media continued to use Jack Rubenstein's mafia nickname, Ruby. Why? To hide his Jewish heritage? The finger then could be pointer at the Italian mobsters.
Jack Rubenstein was a mafia soldier who work for the Zionist mafia Jew, Meyer Lansky. Lansky had very close connection to the Mossad and CIA, connections going way back to World War Two.
The Justice Department and the Warren Commission completely covered up Jack Rubenstein connection to the mob. If this lead was followed, they would have uncovered who killed JFK and why they killed him.
The Mossad and their Zionist supporters in the main stream media, are the only organizations that are still in power today. They had the main motive, the means, opportunity and more importantly, the ability to coverup who committed the assassination for over 53 years.
Chuck.....you might know about the rumors that in some quarters there was concern there could be a backlash against Jews for their involvement in the JFK murder?
You could say that, again.
geohat62,
No, unfortunately I have not. The book is expensive eeeven on "used" amazon.com and I have a bad "under lining" habit which does not fly with library loaned book.
It's very third rate (chessey?) when one has to call attention to their own published article, but by the good grace of The UncommonThought Journal editor, mine (below) managed to surface on the net.
http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2016/11/27/jfk-and-me-cleaning-out-the-swamp-an-ax-to-grind-with-toxins-left-behind-in-permindex-basement.php
Background: August this year, I was nominated to participate in the Vincent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to made points about JFK's killing which other members did not want to discuss. After I did the same with the 9-11 lie & cover up, the V.S. Forum's "subtle" minds showed me the exit door. Live & learn, geokat62!
Thank you. You will appreciate Solzhenitsyn's mature essay, "Repentance and Self Limitations in the Life of Nations" much more than my "JFK & Me."
Just click on this link, Chuck, and you should have access to a free electronic copy of the book:
http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf
The one drawback, however, is you won’t be able to exercise your underlining habit.
Just a continuation of my previous comment.
Fine article, Chuck. But, since you say you haven’t read his book, I was surprised you made reference to MCP in your article:
I especially enjoyed reading your concluding paragraph:
geokat62,
I have read many articles on M.C.P.’s book “Final Judgement” and a good friend just told me that he plans to purchase the book for me as a Christmas gift!
Humbly speaking, I believe the most important thing in my article are the actual words spoken by the heroic Vincent Salandria. Although it’s a “hot potato” but what do you think about tVincent Salandria’s view on the “pogrom” dilemma of the 1960′s Jewish left?
Thanks!
Robin,
Chuck, you and Geokat ought to form a breakfast club, unless there’s one already, and by all means encourage S2C’s inner Solon to emerge from the byzantine chrysalis
geohat62,
No, unfortunately I have not. The book is expensive eeeven on "used" amazon.com and I have a bad "under lining" habit which does not fly with library loaned book.
It's very third rate (chessey?) when one has to call attention to their own published article, but by the good grace of The UncommonThought Journal editor, mine (below) managed to surface on the net.
http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2016/11/27/jfk-and-me-cleaning-out-the-swamp-an-ax-to-grind-with-toxins-left-behind-in-permindex-basement.php
Background: August this year, I was nominated to participate in the Vincent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to made points about JFK's killing which other members did not want to discuss. After I did the same with the 9-11 lie & cover up, the V.S. Forum's "subtle" minds showed me the exit door. Live & learn, geokat62!
Thank you. You will appreciate Solzhenitsyn's mature essay, "Repentance and Self Limitations in the Life of Nations" much more than my "JFK & Me."
Hey Chuck,
Solzhenitsyn was a giant among men – thanks for the essay reference.
Peace.
I love your enthusiasm for things beyond the material!
One can not be crack sure about what kind of future our scary world is dealing with, but I strongly intuit mankind should come to grips with what A. Solzhenitsyn wrote in "Repentance and Self Limitation in the Life of Nations."
Thanks so much for the pleasure of talking with you. Such is always enriching!
I have read many articles on M.C.P.'s book "Final Judgement" and a good friend just told me that he plans to purchase the book for me as a Christmas gift!
Humbly speaking, I believe the most important thing in my article are the actual words spoken by the heroic Vincent Salandria. Although it's a "hot potato" but what do you think about tVincent Salandria's view on the "pogrom" dilemma of the 1960's Jewish left?
Thanks!
To be perfectly honest with you, Chuck, I wasn’t aware of this issue. I was just a young lad during that decade. I’d love to hear more about it, though.
I'd also "love to hear more about it."
In the "JFK & me" article, I failed to mention that I initially alienated a couple of V.S. Salandria Forum participants by "linking" a You Tube video of JFK's "Secret Speech." I offered an opinion that JFK actually addressed, in veiled language, the threat International Zionism and not that of an expansionist communism. Evidently such "other" Forum-point of view brought icy chills of the Cold War back, and my take simply had to be suppressed.
However, I felt awful that it was left to the honorable Vincent Salandria to show me the Forum exit door. 53 years gone bye now & JFK's unsolved murder burns in me! Oh well, geokat62, I always have school bus driving to return to!
A side of me said to myself, "Chuck, stick it out with the V.S. Forum in order to learn more on "who's who" & (ideally) learn what are their prejudices." Having no experience at playing a patient Mossad/CIA infiltration game, and pissed off, I chose to "flush the toilet" and resign from the Forum.
In short, Vincent Salandria gave me all that I actually know about the Jewish left's precarious position after Jacob Leon "Ruby" Rubinstein murdered a defenseless man, November 24, 1963.
Maybe one day Mr. Salandria shall have more to say in a memoir, geokat62? One like me can never blame him for leaving such a Third Rail (Zionist threshold) topic untouched. I don't have to remind you about timely disappearances of people who could provide contrary evidence to the Warren Commission (criminal) Report. But maybe the late-Michael Collins Piper has already documented matters on the Jewish dilemma of "pogrom" possibilities? I aim to read his book before I croak!
(Note: So you know, Mark Lane dedicated five (5) chapters of his seminal book "Rush To Judgement" to the shady role of Jack Rubinstein, a friend of the Dallas P.D. The original edition of the book is upon my shelf, and I can not recall the heroic Mr. Lane having mentioned anything about Ruby's creed and connection with powerful mobster, Meyer Lansky)
Thank you for offering comment!
geohat62,
No, unfortunately I have not. The book is expensive eeeven on "used" amazon.com and I have a bad "under lining" habit which does not fly with library loaned book.
It's very third rate (chessey?) when one has to call attention to their own published article, but by the good grace of The UncommonThought Journal editor, mine (below) managed to surface on the net.
http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2016/11/27/jfk-and-me-cleaning-out-the-swamp-an-ax-to-grind-with-toxins-left-behind-in-permindex-basement.php
Background: August this year, I was nominated to participate in the Vincent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to made points about JFK's killing which other members did not want to discuss. After I did the same with the 9-11 lie & cover up, the V.S. Forum's "subtle" minds showed me the exit door. Live & learn, geokat62!
Thank you. You will appreciate Solzhenitsyn's mature essay, "Repentance and Self Limitations in the Life of Nations" much more than my "JFK & Me."
“I was nominated to participate in the Vicent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to make some points about JFK’s killing which other members did not want to discuss.”
Chuck…..
Although you did not go into the points you made about the JFK’s assassination, I suspect that if you discussed the main premise (the Mossad killed JFK) in Collins Piper’s “Final Judgment” book is the reason why you quickly got booted out of the forum. What was the objectives of the forum?
Was the main forum objective to open and discussed a cold case murder, or was it to continue the cover up of who actually killed JFK? If they didn’t want to discuss Israel’s involvement in the assassination, which the main stream media has not and will not entertain, then maybe the forum was just another Zionist controlled opposition, doing what they do best.. Covering up their tracks.
The Zio media has no problem covering the numerous conspiracies on who killed JFK.
Oswald – lone gunman
Russian – hit men
CIA – rogue assassins unleashed by the military intelligence
Italian Mafia – furious over losing their Cuban casinos
Notice our media never covers the the possibility Israel was behind the assassination. What is not covered, is not covered for a reason. The reason is to hide the real culprits who kill the last American President who challenged the Zionists. Today the same organizations are covering up who did 911.
If you search on the internet ” the Mossad killed JFK” you will get hundreds of articles detailing Israeli motives for taking out JFK. JFK, our last American president, stood in the way of Israel’s quest for a nuclear weapon. JFK had to go!
The key to connecting the Mossad to JFK’s murder is Jack Ruby, the man who killed the patsy, Oswald. His full name is Jack Rubenstein. When Jack Ruby shot Oswald, the Zio main stream media continued to use Jack Rubenstein’s mafia nickname, Ruby. Why? To hide his Jewish heritage? The finger then could be pointer at the Italian mobsters.
Jack Rubenstein was a mafia soldier who work for the Zionist mafia Jew, Meyer Lansky. Lansky had very close connection to the Mossad and CIA, connections going way back to World War Two.
The Justice Department and the Warren Commission completely covered up Jack Rubenstein connection to the mob. If this lead was followed, they would have uncovered who killed JFK and why they killed him.
The Mossad and their Zionist supporters in the main stream media, are the only organizations that are still in power today. They had the main motive, the means, opportunity and more importantly, the ability to coverup who committed the assassination for over 53 years.
Chuck…..you might know about the rumors that in some quarters there was concern there could be a backlash against Jews for their involvement in the JFK murder?
Without having the gift of precognition, I had no idea that a number of influential Vincent Salandria Forum participants would hammer me for the assassination topics I had touched upon.
When Mr. Salandria politely showed me the Forum door, at age 64, I knew I had "blown my load" and would never again have a chance to discuss the topic of who really killed JFK with a person who was so close to being in direct contact & opposition to Attorney Arlen Specter, the criminal author of the putrid Magic Bullet Theory.
You are very knowledgeable, anon, and if I happened to be complicit in a murderous U.S./Zionist government conspiracy, I'd hate to learn that you were assigned to top level investigation. In fact, if such was the case, anon, I'd email Vladimir Putin and ask him for an application to become a Russian citizen!
No need to kiss butt -- but you're absolutely correct in stating my article should have focused more on Jacob Leon (Ruby) Rubinstein's convenient murder of the defenseless Lee Harvey Oswald. But as you may know, anon, focusing on that particular KEY topic would have taken my article well beyond the number of words which daring web sites typically allot.
Yes, agreed, anon, -- "Jack Rubinstein was a mafia soldier who worked for the Zionist mafia Jew, Meyer Lansky." (As you can see, I did not get anywhere near making such fact available to the V.S. Salandria Forum and I still got the ram horn "hook")
Your final sentence has me confused. Did you miss reading Vincent Salandria's amazing words which appeared in my "linked" JFK article? Apparently, "back lash against left wing 1960's Jews" is not merely RUMOR. uh... maybe Sam Shama knows more about this matter and will enlighten this comment thread?
Thank you very much for offering such wise & un muzzled insights. You cheered me up even to a point where I can still hope the actual murderers of JFK, the U.S.S. Liberty crew, Flight TWA 800 passengers, and 9-11 victims will face justice.... of course BEFORE the next False Flag attack occurs and barbaric pummeling of Iran commences.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/us/18census.htmlAs you well know, Sam, what has swept the globe is the Frankfurt School's cultural Marxism, which "called into question all of the sources of cohesion of Western societies: family, religion, culture, and race/ethnicity."Ya think?It may be your personal belief, Sam, but you'd have a hell of a time convincing the founders of the FS.I wish nothing but the best for Talha... he seems to be a very decent man. That said, I'd say what I have said previously: I truly believe in diversity, but not the intra-national variety. I believe that the only diversity that is sustainable and beneficial is the inter-national variety. Once again, here's my exchange with JW:In light of my newfound understanding of the origins of cultural Marxism, the only words I would change in this comment is the final paragraph regarding the New World.
Lamentations that “cultural marxism is taking over the world” are little else than old articles in new packaging. Every generation looks wistfully at the past, disdain for things new-fangled an unfailing refrain.
Not that I don’t pine for the many delightful diversions of my salad days, I recognise that all things apropos culture and traditions change: the question only about speed and quantity.
Your fears can be neatly encapsulated as “jewish culture out!” – it’s an old one and not particularly consistent with that which you profess to cherish, namely Greek philosophy.
Demographics of the white populations are negatively correlated to economic wealth and only of late speculated to have something to do with the discouraged worker effect. I doubt it until presented with statistical evidence [e.g., explain Japan]
We can all take our little pet dreams a wee bit literally; as in that “inter-national diversity” bs; as in my yearning to watch John Heminges and Shakespeare perform in a resurrected King’s Company. Or, in your case? Masai warriors in leopard skin and spears when visiting the Masai Mara?
Had you worried there, didn't I? Wait, wait... let me try another one. I got it, I'll pull an iffen on you: prove to me you're not a racist, Sam. What's that? It's unfair asking someone to prove a negative? Rubbish, try harder. You 88s are soooo stupid.
Peace.
geokat62,
I’d also “love to hear more about it.”
In the “JFK & me” article, I failed to mention that I initially alienated a couple of V.S. Salandria Forum participants by “linking” a You Tube video of JFK’s “Secret Speech.” I offered an opinion that JFK actually addressed, in veiled language, the threat International Zionism and not that of an expansionist communism. Evidently such “other” Forum-point of view brought icy chills of the Cold War back, and my take simply had to be suppressed.
However, I felt awful that it was left to the honorable Vincent Salandria to show me the Forum exit door. 53 years gone bye now & JFK’s unsolved murder burns in me! Oh well, geokat62, I always have school bus driving to return to!
A side of me said to myself, “Chuck, stick it out with the V.S. Forum in order to learn more on “who’s who” & (ideally) learn what are their prejudices.” Having no experience at playing a patient Mossad/CIA infiltration game, and pissed off, I chose to “flush the toilet” and resign from the Forum.
In short, Vincent Salandria gave me all that I actually know about the Jewish left’s precarious position after Jacob Leon “Ruby” Rubinstein murdered a defenseless man, November 24, 1963.
Maybe one day Mr. Salandria shall have more to say in a memoir, geokat62? One like me can never blame him for leaving such a Third Rail (Zionist threshold) topic untouched. I don’t have to remind you about timely disappearances of people who could provide contrary evidence to the Warren Commission (criminal) Report. But maybe the late-Michael Collins Piper has already documented matters on the Jewish dilemma of “pogrom” possibilities? I aim to read his book before I croak!
(Note: So you know, Mark Lane dedicated five (5) chapters of his seminal book “Rush To Judgement” to the shady role of Jack Rubinstein, a friend of the Dallas P.D. The original edition of the book is upon my shelf, and I can not recall the heroic Mr. Lane having mentioned anything about Ruby’s creed and connection with powerful mobster, Meyer Lansky)
Thank you for offering comment!
btw - I myself have read the first 14 of the 18 chapters of his book, but haven't come across anything yet on the issue you're highlighting.
There are, however, 4 more chapters to go and the penultimate one looks promising:I'll keep you posted.
Solzhenitsyn was a giant among men - thanks for the essay reference.
Peace.
Hey Talha,
I love your enthusiasm for things beyond the material!
One can not be crack sure about what kind of future our scary world is dealing with, but I strongly intuit mankind should come to grips with what A. Solzhenitsyn wrote in “Repentance and Self Limitation in the Life of Nations.”
Thanks so much for the pleasure of talking with you. Such is always enriching!
My teachers have taught that the phenomenal world is a reflection of the metaphysical reality - not the other way around. There are some who acknowledge the reality of:
"Lo! We have placed all that is on the earth as an adornment that We may try them: which of them is best in conduct." 18:7
And those that don't...As one of them said, it is like a board game - every gets into it, it seems so real for the moment, people get happy or upset about losing fake money, and then...you wrap it up and put it away and all that emotion was over nothing of true consequence.
My first experience with Solzhenitsyn was in high school; "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" and I've appreciated his sporadic interviews or articles since then. Repentance is key; key to recognizing one's folly and changing one's condition - and the door to repentance is always open, it is we who shut it upon ourselves often in our own hubris.
Again, I will give it a read.
Peace and the pleasure is mine.
True enough, Sam. But when they looked at the past at least they could recognize a semblance of their former selves, without having to resort to DNA testing, that is.
I have no issue with Jewish culture per se, Sam. I just take issue with those in organized Jewry who choose to promote cultural Marxism. And that attitude is perfectly consistent with my views on Greek philosophy – i.e., to the extent that it has repugnant elements in it, I have no difficulties denouncing those elements.
No one is denying there are a multitude of factors negatively impacting demographics, Sam. But, surely you’d agree, migration and immigration are at the top of that list.
I would if you’d elaborate a bit on your point about the discouraged worker effect.
Spoken like a true cultural Marxist, Sam. Struggling, however, to understand how you can reconcile that comment with your fierce advocacy of a Jewish ethnostate.
What do you have against the Masai, Sam? Don’t tell me you’re a racist?
Had you worried there, didn’t I? Wait, wait… let me try another one. I got it, I’ll pull an iffen on you: prove to me you’re not a racist, Sam. What’s that? It’s unfair asking someone to prove a negative? Rubbish, try harder. You 88s are soooo stupid.
I don't recall asking anyone to prove a negative.
Chuck.....
Although you did not go into the points you made about the JFK's assassination, I suspect that if you discussed the main premise (the Mossad killed JFK) in Collins Piper's "Final Judgment" book is the reason why you quickly got booted out of the forum. What was the objectives of the forum?
Was the main forum objective to open and discussed a cold case murder, or was it to continue the cover up of who actually killed JFK? If they didn't want to discuss Israel's involvement in the assassination, which the main stream media has not and will not entertain, then maybe the forum was just another Zionist controlled opposition, doing what they do best.. Covering up their tracks.
The Zio media has no problem covering the numerous conspiracies on who killed JFK.
Oswald - lone gunman
Russian - hit men
CIA - rogue assassins unleashed by the military intelligence
Italian Mafia - furious over losing their Cuban casinos
Notice our media never covers the the possibility Israel was behind the assassination. What is not covered, is not covered for a reason. The reason is to hide the real culprits who kill the last American President who challenged the Zionists. Today the same organizations are covering up who did 911.
If you search on the internet " the Mossad killed JFK" you will get hundreds of articles detailing Israeli motives for taking out JFK. JFK, our last American president, stood in the way of Israel's quest for a nuclear weapon. JFK had to go!
The key to connecting the Mossad to JFK's murder is Jack Ruby, the man who killed the patsy, Oswald. His full name is Jack Rubenstein. When Jack Ruby shot Oswald, the Zio main stream media continued to use Jack Rubenstein's mafia nickname, Ruby. Why? To hide his Jewish heritage? The finger then could be pointer at the Italian mobsters.
Jack Rubenstein was a mafia soldier who work for the Zionist mafia Jew, Meyer Lansky. Lansky had very close connection to the Mossad and CIA, connections going way back to World War Two.
The Justice Department and the Warren Commission completely covered up Jack Rubenstein connection to the mob. If this lead was followed, they would have uncovered who killed JFK and why they killed him.
The Mossad and their Zionist supporters in the main stream media, are the only organizations that are still in power today. They had the main motive, the means, opportunity and more importantly, the ability to coverup who committed the assassination for over 53 years.
Chuck.....you might know about the rumors that in some quarters there was concern there could be a backlash against Jews for their involvement in the JFK murder?
anon,
Without having the gift of precognition, I had no idea that a number of influential Vincent Salandria Forum participants would hammer me for the assassination topics I had touched upon.
When Mr. Salandria politely showed me the Forum door, at age 64, I knew I had “blown my load” and would never again have a chance to discuss the topic of who really killed JFK with a person who was so close to being in direct contact & opposition to Attorney Arlen Specter, the criminal author of the putrid Magic Bullet Theory.
You are very knowledgeable, anon, and if I happened to be complicit in a murderous U.S./Zionist government conspiracy, I’d hate to learn that you were assigned to top level investigation. In fact, if such was the case, anon, I’d email Vladimir Putin and ask him for an application to become a Russian citizen!
No need to kiss butt — but you’re absolutely correct in stating my article should have focused more on Jacob Leon (Ruby) Rubinstein’s convenient murder of the defenseless Lee Harvey Oswald. But as you may know, anon, focusing on that particular KEY topic would have taken my article well beyond the number of words which daring web sites typically allot.
Yes, agreed, anon, — “Jack Rubinstein was a mafia soldier who worked for the Zionist mafia Jew, Meyer Lansky.” (As you can see, I did not get anywhere near making such fact available to the V.S. Salandria Forum and I still got the ram horn “hook”)
Your final sentence has me confused. Did you miss reading Vincent Salandria’s amazing words which appeared in my “linked” JFK article? Apparently, “back lash against left wing 1960′s Jews” is not merely RUMOR. uh… maybe Sam Shama knows more about this matter and will enlighten this comment thread?
Thank you very much for offering such wise & un muzzled insights. You cheered me up even to a point where I can still hope the actual murderers of JFK, the U.S.S. Liberty crew, Flight TWA 800 passengers, and 9-11 victims will face justice…. of course BEFORE the next False Flag attack occurs and barbaric pummeling of Iran commences.
Peace.
So much for “the king” of the jungle.
Peace
I'd also "love to hear more about it."
In the "JFK & me" article, I failed to mention that I initially alienated a couple of V.S. Salandria Forum participants by "linking" a You Tube video of JFK's "Secret Speech." I offered an opinion that JFK actually addressed, in veiled language, the threat International Zionism and not that of an expansionist communism. Evidently such "other" Forum-point of view brought icy chills of the Cold War back, and my take simply had to be suppressed.
However, I felt awful that it was left to the honorable Vincent Salandria to show me the Forum exit door. 53 years gone bye now & JFK's unsolved murder burns in me! Oh well, geokat62, I always have school bus driving to return to!
A side of me said to myself, "Chuck, stick it out with the V.S. Forum in order to learn more on "who's who" & (ideally) learn what are their prejudices." Having no experience at playing a patient Mossad/CIA infiltration game, and pissed off, I chose to "flush the toilet" and resign from the Forum.
In short, Vincent Salandria gave me all that I actually know about the Jewish left's precarious position after Jacob Leon "Ruby" Rubinstein murdered a defenseless man, November 24, 1963.
Maybe one day Mr. Salandria shall have more to say in a memoir, geokat62? One like me can never blame him for leaving such a Third Rail (Zionist threshold) topic untouched. I don't have to remind you about timely disappearances of people who could provide contrary evidence to the Warren Commission (criminal) Report. But maybe the late-Michael Collins Piper has already documented matters on the Jewish dilemma of "pogrom" possibilities? I aim to read his book before I croak!
(Note: So you know, Mark Lane dedicated five (5) chapters of his seminal book "Rush To Judgement" to the shady role of Jack Rubinstein, a friend of the Dallas P.D. The original edition of the book is upon my shelf, and I can not recall the heroic Mr. Lane having mentioned anything about Ruby's creed and connection with powerful mobster, Meyer Lansky)
Thank you for offering comment!
Interesting stuff, Chuck.
btw – I myself have read the first 14 of the 18 chapters of his book, but haven’t come across anything yet on the issue you’re highlighting.
There are, however, 4 more chapters to go and the penultimate one looks promising:
I’ll keep you posted.
The Media’s Silence—Why Israel’s Role in the JFK Assassination Could Not Be Exposed
Here is the concluding paragraph:I must say the chapter is chock-full of allegations. Here are some of the most pertinent ones:
Had you worried there, didn't I? Wait, wait... let me try another one. I got it, I'll pull an iffen on you: prove to me you're not a racist, Sam. What's that? It's unfair asking someone to prove a negative? Rubbish, try harder. You 88s are soooo stupid.
I’ll pull an iffen on you: prove to me you’re not a racist, Sam. What’s that? It’s unfair asking someone to prove a negative?
I don’t recall asking anyone to prove a negative.
I don't recall asking anyone to prove a negative.
You’re right, iffen. I should have inserted the word “implicitly” in front of “asking.”
Had you worried there, didn't I? Wait, wait... let me try another one. I got it, I'll pull an iffen on you: prove to me you're not a racist, Sam. What's that? It's unfair asking someone to prove a negative? Rubbish, try harder. You 88s are soooo stupid.
I wish I could claim on occasion that my arrows went home, envenomed though they weren’t.
1. A claim is made that whites are not hatching at satisfactory rates on account of a loss of future prospects and excessive immigration, drugs etc. I won’t dismiss this notion out of hand but await a meaningful study based on data. Even if it were true in a limited sense, one would still need to explain Japan’s worrisome population trend which has displayed a negative correlation with rising wealth over the last several decades, and no immigration to speak of. And their culture is no longer of the Samurais and Geishas
2. No racist intent about the Masai, at all. My point was simply this: all cultures change over time independent of geography. You won’t find the Masai of today doing the “traditional” things they did a century ago. The only thing permanent is the impermanence of things.
More good news.
This just in from Robert Cohen, a British writer, who has bravely written I hereby chuck my right to Jewish national self-determination – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/jewish-national-determination/#sthash.tagROTWK.dpuf
Here’s how it starts off:
I especially enjoyed the section on The new international religion:
Sounds like something an 88 would say… right, iffen?
There is even more 88 talk… check out his concluding remarks:
If he’s not an 88, he must be a self-hating Jew.
P.S. I’m still waiting to read I letter like this written by Sam, given his common sense and common decency.
I could be wrong, Sam, but wasn’t it you who previously posted this excellent comment?
I wish more of us would apply these rules in our writing, myself included.
Declining population trends in developed economies are, no doubt, worrisome, but one should not cut off one’s nose to spite one’s face. Policies, such as encouraging larger families, could be introduced to reverse these trends. I’m sure others can dream up other more creative solutions.
While no one is suggesting the hands of time should stand still, Sam, it is nevertheless clear that dominant cultures can still evolve without having to embrace ethnogenocide. I think Japan is a good case in point. It has recently experienced population decline without opening their doors to demographic-changing levels of immigration. And while their culture is no longer that of the Samurais and Geishas, I’m ok with that as long as they remain masters of their own destiny.
Should I infer from this that you didn’t bother clicking on the “More” button.
I thought the sentence every bit brief, vigorous, direct and lucid, with only a reasonable use of circumlocution. The past participle of 'venom' is 'envenomed', but poorly replaced by 'make poisonous', both infinitives rooted in Latin, not Saxon which, had it been imposed, might have suggested 'bane', requiring 'en-baned', even more archaic in effect!
[Well sorry Geo, I know I know I do get a bit carried away ;) . You could ask a good prose stylist, there are a few at Unz, 5371? ]
I started out by establishing what is clear in my mind, which is that numbers are of the essence. I should have added further, that immigration as one way for a nation such as the US to supplement its population dynamics ought to be restricted to the highly qualified. The country is 70-75% white European and as you say projected to be less than 50% so by 2050. I expect the numbers for Canada to be even more favourable for whites. If you find this projection, i.e., less than 50% whites by 2050 for the US deeply disconcerting, why would you then root for the same or worse for the solitary, tiny Jewish nation? Israel is 70-75% Jewish, 21% Arab and 5% others. In that 75% Jewish there is an amazing diversity of race btw. A RoR would with alacrity reduce the Jewish population to a minority. So, on the subject of double standards, there is ample to go around.
I don't quite see why Japan is a case which makes any point you sought to make - that immigration leads to ethnogenocide. On the contrary, it demonstrates that increasing wealth leads to a loss of fertility. I suspect with some loose evidence that as a people gain wealth, knowledge and technological know-how, it senses that the world optimally requires a much lower population. People lower on the development scale prefer the opposite.
As far as racism goes, I'll plead guilty but only of the very narrow variety. #BLM and its opportunistic supporters I'd happily mark a race destined for extinction.
How ironic, Sam. While we were having our little exchange, it appears that a Texas rabbi and a white nationalist leader were doing the same:
I guess the relevant question is: do you embrace radical inclusion for Israel, Sam?
I love your enthusiasm for things beyond the material!
One can not be crack sure about what kind of future our scary world is dealing with, but I strongly intuit mankind should come to grips with what A. Solzhenitsyn wrote in "Repentance and Self Limitation in the Life of Nations."
Thanks so much for the pleasure of talking with you. Such is always enriching!
Hey Chuck,
My teachers have taught that the phenomenal world is a reflection of the metaphysical reality – not the other way around. There are some who acknowledge the reality of:
“Lo! We have placed all that is on the earth as an adornment that We may try them: which of them is best in conduct.” 18:7
And those that don’t…As one of them said, it is like a board game – every gets into it, it seems so real for the moment, people get happy or upset about losing fake money, and then…you wrap it up and put it away and all that emotion was over nothing of true consequence.
My first experience with Solzhenitsyn was in high school; “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” and I’ve appreciated his sporadic interviews or articles since then. Repentance is key; key to recognizing one’s folly and changing one’s condition – and the door to repentance is always open, it is we who shut it upon ourselves often in our own hubris.
Again, I will give it a read.
Peace and the pleasure is mine.
Talha,
You have the blessings of a good education, and the best part (for you) is that it's eternal "Continuing Education."
I so admire your statement, above! People, especially the ones who are content with MENSA- level superior intelligence, seem reluctant to acknowledge how very little percentage of human brain capacity is utilized, and become prone to thinking they know what (life) is all about.
That's quite natural, but for example, the other day (on the internet) I looked at a picture of Stephen Hawkings meeting with Pope Francis. Made me think what each of these two fellows know that I do not.
O well, I feel very bad that (free) Americans who live under "The Deep State" would be hard pressed to find meaning in Solzhenitsyn's essay "Repentance & Self Limitation." Sporadically, U.S. citizens (those into reading) will get a "Best Seller" which extols a sharpshooting sniper who knocks off Muslim non-combatants in order to save American soldier lives.
Okay, Talha, time for me to knock off the sarcasm. But in closing, I want to return to the "phenomenal world."
As previously mentioned, for me, the deepest spiritual book I ever read is Pierre Tielhard de Chardin's "The Divine Milieu." It's extremely interesting to me that de Chardin's Jesuit superiors had taken umbrage at the boldness of some of his philosophical views, and they barred him from teaching! Deeply wounded, but committed to a vow of submissiveness, de Chardin returned to China! Each paragraph in "Divine Milieu" makes me stagger and you ought to see the "heavily used" condition of my copy!
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin also wrote the brilliant "Phenomenon of Man" and an unforgettable poem called "Mass upon the altar of the world."
Sorry to unfairly lay all this reading upon you, Talha. But you definitely understand how we humans are inclined to share great works of art, music, and literature.
(Note: A religious gentleman, Christopher Bollyn, wrote and self-published the great book, "Solving 9-11." Mr. Bollyn input New Testament quotes throughout his book, and the second page features a black & white cross. FYI, on the back cover of "Solving 9-11" are "blurbs" of praise, but all are bereft of names who wrote the blurbs, which is a catalytic reason for all truth seeking Americans to read his book )
Good day and thank you!
Sounds like something an 88 would say… right, iffen?
Since you gave me a shout-out I feel somewhat obligated to respond, although I have covered this before.
If you find a Jew that has said or written something, the importance and significance of that is this: You have found a Jew that has said or written something.
Unlike black Americans, Jews have free will and agency. They have differences of opinion. One Jew might have an opinion that no other person shares. All Jews are not Zionists. All Zionists do not agree on Israeli politics. Hell, they assassinate each other every once in a while.
And yes, whenever someone denies Jewish Israelis the right to an ethnic based state on bases that are not applied to other ethnic groups, it raises a black and red flag.
Sam can answer for himself, more eloquently and insightfully than I, but he has already “written” his letter several times. The problem seems to be that you can’t read what he writes. This Robert Cohen is pretty clear that his motivation is that he believes that this is a way to get at the Palestinian question. Sam has made it very clear that he disapproves of the harshness of the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.
It occurs to me that Sam has some hope after all! Thanks for conveying the "Good News," iffen.
I have serious problems how politically influential Jewish Zionists have (historically) treated Americans, including up to this very date.
Hell, they even went as far as to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. This matter is made pretty clear in "anon's" comment # 391, which by now it's evident both you and Sam chose to "passover."
I have known plenty of Blacks in my life - the vast majority, very good, decent people. The lion's share of those being Muslim, and among most of them are those that converted; which absolutely requires free will and agency.
Peace.
The problem I have with Sam's repeated attempt at writing letters is this: when I once asked him to choose between the following two motivations for justifying one's actions:here's his initial response:But when I insisted he stake out a more explicit position, he retorted:When push came to shove, Sam declared that actions must adhere to moral principles.
So, rather than having a reading comprehension problem, iffen, at root the problem I have is with inconsistency.Based on the foregoing, iffen, here's the difference: while Robert Cohen's way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam's is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.
What an ef’n hypocrite you are, no if’n about it.
[I could be wrong, Sam, but wasn’t it you who previously posted this excellent comment?]
I thought the sentence every bit brief, vigorous, direct and lucid, with only a reasonable use of circumlocution. The past participle of ‘venom’ is ‘envenomed’, but poorly replaced by ‘make poisonous’, both infinitives rooted in Latin, not Saxon which, had it been imposed, might have suggested ‘bane’, requiring ‘en-baned’, even more archaic in effect!
[Well sorry Geo, I know I know I do get a bit carried away
. You could ask a good prose stylist, there are a few at Unz, 5371? ]
I started out by establishing what is clear in my mind, which is that numbers are of the essence. I should have added further, that immigration as one way for a nation such as the US to supplement its population dynamics ought to be restricted to the highly qualified. The country is 70-75% white European and as you say projected to be less than 50% so by 2050. I expect the numbers for Canada to be even more favourable for whites. If you find this projection, i.e., less than 50% whites by 2050 for the US deeply disconcerting, why would you then root for the same or worse for the solitary, tiny Jewish nation? Israel is 70-75% Jewish, 21% Arab and 5% others. In that 75% Jewish there is an amazing diversity of race btw. A RoR would with alacrity reduce the Jewish population to a minority. So, on the subject of double standards, there is ample to go around.
I don’t quite see why Japan is a case which makes any point you sought to make – that immigration leads to ethnogenocide. On the contrary, it demonstrates that increasing wealth leads to a loss of fertility. I suspect with some loose evidence that as a people gain wealth, knowledge and technological know-how, it senses that the world optimally requires a much lower population. People lower on the development scale prefer the opposite.
As far as racism goes, I’ll plead guilty but only of the very narrow variety. #BLM and its opportunistic supporters I’d happily mark a race destined for extinction.
Thanks for a crystal clear summary of this issue which in Geokat’s mind requires daily affirmation from Jews.
I think it’d be useful if you expanded on the reasons which prompted this short yet heavy on insult sentence.
“Sam (Shama) has made it very clear that he disapproves of the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.”
It occurs to me that Sam has some hope after all! Thanks for conveying the “Good News,” iffen.
I have serious problems how politically influential Jewish Zionists have (historically) treated Americans, including up to this very date.
Hell, they even went as far as to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. This matter is made pretty clear in “anon’s” comment # 391, which by now it’s evident both you and Sam chose to “passover.”
My dear Chuck, I don't feel the urge to respond to every allegation made against Jews; I'd do little else.
It (if’n) can smear all black Americans together, but not Jews. You hang out with some real pretenders. If I have time I’ll send some snark to Diogenes.
Confused you as much as me, huh? I didn’t get geo’s reference to my wanting people to prove negatives. I admit to not understanding where some of this is coming from. I guess if they want me to understand, then they can spell it out.
How Pro-Israel Neocons Pushed for War in Iraq (Alison Weir)
I'm not Geo but I imagine he may be referring to your accusations, implicit or otherwise, of antisemitism, which you then ask to have disproved. I'm not a frequent interlocutor of yours, so I can't judge the merits of this charge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjzD5zTLepc
How Pro-Israel Neocons Pushed for War in Iraq (Alison Weir)
My teachers have taught that the phenomenal world is a reflection of the metaphysical reality - not the other way around. There are some who acknowledge the reality of:
"Lo! We have placed all that is on the earth as an adornment that We may try them: which of them is best in conduct." 18:7
And those that don't...As one of them said, it is like a board game - every gets into it, it seems so real for the moment, people get happy or upset about losing fake money, and then...you wrap it up and put it away and all that emotion was over nothing of true consequence.
My first experience with Solzhenitsyn was in high school; "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" and I've appreciated his sporadic interviews or articles since then. Repentance is key; key to recognizing one's folly and changing one's condition - and the door to repentance is always open, it is we who shut it upon ourselves often in our own hubris.
Again, I will give it a read.
Peace and the pleasure is mine.
“My teachers have taught that the phenomenal world is a reflection of the metaphysical reality…”
Talha,
You have the blessings of a good education, and the best part (for you) is that it’s eternal “Continuing Education.”
I so admire your statement, above! People, especially the ones who are content with MENSA- level superior intelligence, seem reluctant to acknowledge how very little percentage of human brain capacity is utilized, and become prone to thinking they know what (life) is all about.
That’s quite natural, but for example, the other day (on the internet) I looked at a picture of Stephen Hawkings meeting with Pope Francis. Made me think what each of these two fellows know that I do not.
O well, I feel very bad that (free) Americans who live under “The Deep State” would be hard pressed to find meaning in Solzhenitsyn’s essay “Repentance & Self Limitation.” Sporadically, U.S. citizens (those into reading) will get a “Best Seller” which extols a sharpshooting sniper who knocks off Muslim non-combatants in order to save American soldier lives.
Okay, Talha, time for me to knock off the sarcasm. But in closing, I want to return to the “phenomenal world.”
As previously mentioned, for me, the deepest spiritual book I ever read is Pierre Tielhard de Chardin’s “The Divine Milieu.” It’s extremely interesting to me that de Chardin’s Jesuit superiors had taken umbrage at the boldness of some of his philosophical views, and they barred him from teaching! Deeply wounded, but committed to a vow of submissiveness, de Chardin returned to China! Each paragraph in “Divine Milieu” makes me stagger and you ought to see the “heavily used” condition of my copy!
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin also wrote the brilliant “Phenomenon of Man” and an unforgettable poem called “Mass upon the altar of the world.”
Sorry to unfairly lay all this reading upon you, Talha. But you definitely understand how we humans are inclined to share great works of art, music, and literature.
(Note: A religious gentleman, Christopher Bollyn, wrote and self-published the great book, “Solving 9-11.” Mr. Bollyn input New Testament quotes throughout his book, and the second page features a black & white cross. FYI, on the back cover of “Solving 9-11″ are “blurbs” of praise, but all are bereft of names who wrote the blurbs, which is a catalytic reason for all truth seeking Americans to read his book )
Good day and thank you!
Hey iffen,
You cannot possibly be serious with that statement – please tell me you were being facetious.
I have known plenty of Blacks in my life – the vast majority, very good, decent people. The lion’s share of those being Muslim, and among most of them are those that converted; which absolutely requires free will and agency.
Peace.
I have known plenty of Blacks in my life - the vast majority, very good, decent people. The lion's share of those being Muslim, and among most of them are those that converted; which absolutely requires free will and agency.
Peace.
It is serious. Has it occurred to you yet that you’ve been throwing your pearls before swine? The compensation is surely that the silent majority of UNZ readers can observe and digest.
It occurs to me that Sam has some hope after all! Thanks for conveying the "Good News," iffen.
I have serious problems how politically influential Jewish Zionists have (historically) treated Americans, including up to this very date.
Hell, they even went as far as to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. This matter is made pretty clear in "anon's" comment # 391, which by now it's evident both you and Sam chose to "passover."
[This matter is made pretty clear in “anon’s” comment # 391, which by now it’s evident both you and Sam chose to “passover.”]
My dear Chuck, I don’t feel the urge to respond to every allegation made against Jews; I’d do little else.
Sam,
Below is a real-life model of what I consider something human & very worthy for you to at least read & contemplate.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/09/see-how-we-live/
Kathy Kelly is Roman Catholic, a Chicago gal in her 60's, and mid-Spring this year, she was released from a prison where she did time for protesting at a U.S. armed drone military base. Very spiritual and self-giving, Kathy Kelly's life mission is dedicated to the exposure of EVIL in its many manifestations -- including that which is inside herself. For the record, the evil "inside" every one.
In the article "linked" above, you will note that Kathy Kelly, (unlike me), does not blame U.S./Zionist Jews for the havoc and suffering going on in Afghanistan. Christlike in her deeds, Kathy knows evil wears many masks and takes on a multitude of NAMES which adapt to the "times."
Some examples; In early 1980's, Americans were taught that Soviet invaders of Afghanistan were evil. Mid-1980's, Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were evil. Early 1990's, CIA asset Saddam Hussein's Iraq was evil. By 1999, Serbian Slobodon Milosevic was "The Face of Evil." Hours after the 9-11 attacks, Israeli Ehud Barak pronounced al Qaeda evil and encouraged full blown (sleazy) U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Today, "existential" evil is centered in Teheran. What do you think is in store for Islamic Republic of Iran's government, Sam?
Do you see a pattern how quick are D.C./Zionist leaders at striking at every conceivable evil... except (of course) that which resides & thrives in themselves?
Sam -- because you are younger in years and prematurely pontifical, I will be as polite as temperament permits. Any chance you listened to The Beatles (Fab Four) song lyric, "Try and see it my way!" I sincerely believe America as a nation would be a helluva lot better off to "see it" in Kathy Kelly's way.
Thank you. So good that our name-calling armistice holds, eh?
I have known plenty of Blacks in my life - the vast majority, very good, decent people. The lion's share of those being Muslim, and among most of them are those that converted; which absolutely requires free will and agency.
Peace.
Of course I was trying to be ironic and facetious. I guess Nazi hunters should just stick to the cut and dried plain vanilla wording.
BTW, Nazis do not have a sense of humor.
I have known plenty of Blacks in my life – the vast majority, very good, decent people.
Absolutely! Way ahead of you Talha, I’ve been working with blacks since 1967. At times I have been the only white person in a small unit. The best Master Sergeant that I served under was black and he was head and shoulders above any other Sergeant that I served under or observed.
There is no “they” here. R. has explained his meaning in accusing you (probably wrongly, but you might like to clarify) of hypocrisy, which has nothing to do with Geokat’s talking about you wanting people to prove negatives.
I’m not Geo but I imagine he may be referring to your accusations, implicit or otherwise, of antisemitism, which you then ask to have disproved. I’m not a frequent interlocutor of yours, so I can’t judge the merits of this charge.
I don’t see any problem with stating my opinion that certain ideas and premises are Nazism. If one holds those views you can think about what I have to say or not. I am not trying to convert anyone. No one has to disprove anything. I guess it boils down to my lack of impulse control. When I see someone say something along the lines of, “You know, Hitler had a lot of good ideas, the US should have fought on Germany’s side during WWII,” I just can’t stop myself from saying, “What a fucking Nazi.”
I'm not Geo but I imagine he may be referring to your accusations, implicit or otherwise, of antisemitism, which you then ask to have disproved. I'm not a frequent interlocutor of yours, so I can't judge the merits of this charge.
They would be R. and geo. I lumped them together because they were near in time. Geo may explain at some point. I don’t interlocutate with R. so that will stand. I make the observation that many confuse hypocrisy with applying a double standard and I try to avoid both. You may have seen my comment at #420 which should clear up my prior comment.
I don’t see any problem with stating my opinion that certain ideas and premises are Nazism. If one holds those views you can think about what I have to say or not. I am not trying to convert anyone. No one has to disprove anything. I guess it boils down to my lack of impulse control. When I see someone say something along the lines of, “You know, Hitler had a lot of good ideas, the US should have fought on Germany’s side during WWII,” I just can’t stop myself from saying, “What a fucking Nazi.”
My dear Chuck, I don't feel the urge to respond to every allegation made against Jews; I'd do little else.
“… I’d do little else.”
Sam,
Below is a real-life model of what I consider something human & very worthy for you to at least read & contemplate.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/09/see-how-we-live/
Kathy Kelly is Roman Catholic, a Chicago gal in her 60′s, and mid-Spring this year, she was released from a prison where she did time for protesting at a U.S. armed drone military base. Very spiritual and self-giving, Kathy Kelly’s life mission is dedicated to the exposure of EVIL in its many manifestations — including that which is inside herself. For the record, the evil “inside” every one.
In the article “linked” above, you will note that Kathy Kelly, (unlike me), does not blame U.S./Zionist Jews for the havoc and suffering going on in Afghanistan. Christlike in her deeds, Kathy knows evil wears many masks and takes on a multitude of NAMES which adapt to the “times.”
Some examples; In early 1980′s, Americans were taught that Soviet invaders of Afghanistan were evil. Mid-1980′s, Daniel Ortega’s Sandanistas were evil. Early 1990′s, CIA asset Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was evil. By 1999, Serbian Slobodon Milosevic was “The Face of Evil.” Hours after the 9-11 attacks, Israeli Ehud Barak pronounced al Qaeda evil and encouraged full blown (sleazy) U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Today, “existential” evil is centered in Teheran. What do you think is in store for Islamic Republic of Iran’s government, Sam?
Do you see a pattern how quick are D.C./Zionist leaders at striking at every conceivable evil… except (of course) that which resides & thrives in themselves?
Sam — because you are younger in years and prematurely pontifical, I will be as polite as temperament permits. Any chance you listened to The Beatles (Fab Four) song lyric, “Try and see it my way!” I sincerely believe America as a nation would be a helluva lot better off to “see it” in Kathy Kelly’s way.
Thank you. So good that our name-calling armistice holds, eh?
Latest update:
Interesting to see who’s lending a hand in drafting this “Je suis Charlie” legislation.
Very profound, iffen… you must have majored in philosophy back in your college days.
Nobody is claiming that the Jewish community is a monolithic. Just as any other community, the Jewish community displays a high level of a diversity of opinion. Where your argument falls apart, iffen , is at the level of organized Jewry. Here the agenda is more aligned and focused on achieving their perceived interests – i.e., advancing the perceived interests of Jewry both in Israel (e.g., AIPAC et al) and in the host country (e.g., ADL et al).
What if their denial is based on the brutal occupation of 1.7 million people and the blockade of another 1.8 million people (all in violation of international law) and they equally apply this reasoning to all other ethnic groups, – i.e., they should be denied an ethno state under these same circumstances. Does this still raise a b&r flag for you?
I can read perfectly fine, iffen, notwithstanding your slight.
The problem I have with Sam’s repeated attempt at writing letters is this: when I once asked him to choose between the following two motivations for justifying one’s actions:
here’s his initial response:
But when I insisted he stake out a more explicit position, he retorted:
When push came to shove, Sam declared that actions must adhere to moral principles.
So, rather than having a reading comprehension problem, iffen, at root the problem I have is with inconsistency.
Based on the foregoing, iffen, here’s the difference: while Robert Cohen’s way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam’s is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.
Do you want me to believe that an ethnic group that has excelled in maintaining an identity for millennia, members of which are at the pinnacle in academia, political philosophy, hard sciences, finance, media, etc., can’t do effective lobbying in the slim pit of American politics?
they equally apply this reasoning to all other ethnic groups, – i.e., they should be denied an ethno state under these same circumstances. Does this still raise a b&r flag for you?
No. I know that pure pacifist types exist, but .01% does not make the rule.
here’s the difference: while Robert Cohen’s way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam’s is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.
People have to have their philosophical ducks in a row before they can hold moral stances that count?
I thought the sentence every bit brief, vigorous, direct and lucid, with only a reasonable use of circumlocution. The past participle of 'venom' is 'envenomed', but poorly replaced by 'make poisonous', both infinitives rooted in Latin, not Saxon which, had it been imposed, might have suggested 'bane', requiring 'en-baned', even more archaic in effect!
[Well sorry Geo, I know I know I do get a bit carried away ;) . You could ask a good prose stylist, there are a few at Unz, 5371? ]
I started out by establishing what is clear in my mind, which is that numbers are of the essence. I should have added further, that immigration as one way for a nation such as the US to supplement its population dynamics ought to be restricted to the highly qualified. The country is 70-75% white European and as you say projected to be less than 50% so by 2050. I expect the numbers for Canada to be even more favourable for whites. If you find this projection, i.e., less than 50% whites by 2050 for the US deeply disconcerting, why would you then root for the same or worse for the solitary, tiny Jewish nation? Israel is 70-75% Jewish, 21% Arab and 5% others. In that 75% Jewish there is an amazing diversity of race btw. A RoR would with alacrity reduce the Jewish population to a minority. So, on the subject of double standards, there is ample to go around.
I don't quite see why Japan is a case which makes any point you sought to make - that immigration leads to ethnogenocide. On the contrary, it demonstrates that increasing wealth leads to a loss of fertility. I suspect with some loose evidence that as a people gain wealth, knowledge and technological know-how, it senses that the world optimally requires a much lower population. People lower on the development scale prefer the opposite.
As far as racism goes, I'll plead guilty but only of the very narrow variety. #BLM and its opportunistic supporters I'd happily mark a race destined for extinction.
I thought I already addressed this question back in comment #372:
Sam, you know 1P1V1S is the only answer that is based on moral reasoning. You know that Madalaine Albright was morally wrong when she said the price of killing half a million children was worth it. You know that redirecting $6 trillion from American taxpayers, when there is 50 million of them on food stamps, to finance PNAC’s project to remake the ME is morally wrong.
So, be a mensch and admit it. Or if you prefer, simply state: the ends justify the means.
You are applying a double standard to Israel.
Except for land masses not named Africa, there have always been indigenous peoples that hosted immigrants.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, geo.
The problem I have with Sam's repeated attempt at writing letters is this: when I once asked him to choose between the following two motivations for justifying one's actions:here's his initial response:But when I insisted he stake out a more explicit position, he retorted:When push came to shove, Sam declared that actions must adhere to moral principles.
So, rather than having a reading comprehension problem, iffen, at root the problem I have is with inconsistency.Based on the foregoing, iffen, here's the difference: while Robert Cohen's way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam's is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.
My argument does not fall apart, geo; you do not have an argument.
Do you want me to believe that an ethnic group that has excelled in maintaining an identity for millennia, members of which are at the pinnacle in academia, political philosophy, hard sciences, finance, media, etc., can’t do effective lobbying in the slim pit of American politics?
they equally apply this reasoning to all other ethnic groups, – i.e., they should be denied an ethno state under these same circumstances. Does this still raise a b&r flag for you?
No. I know that pure pacifist types exist, but .01% does not make the rule.
here’s the difference: while Robert Cohen’s way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam’s is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.
People have to have their philosophical ducks in a row before they can hold moral stances that count?
2. Right is right - i.e., actions must adhere to a moral standardI have no difficulty debating those who openly admit they subscribe to rule #1. It is usually short and sweet.Where things get complicated is when I find myself debating those who allege they also subscribe to rule #2. I invariably find, however, that their arguments are really driven by some form of rule #1.
in a land that was not already inhabited by a indigenous population that didn’t require oppressing them by imposing a system of apartheid
You are applying a double standard to Israel.
Except for land masses not named Africa, there have always been indigenous peoples that hosted immigrants.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, geo.
Very true, iffen. But the difference is this: these nations were forged in an era absent the rule of law. While the 20th century will probably go down in history as one of the most violent, it will also be recognized for its signal contributions to the establishment of international laws, rules that govern the relations of modern-day nations.
And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.
Do you want me to believe that an ethnic group that has excelled in maintaining an identity for millennia, members of which are at the pinnacle in academia, political philosophy, hard sciences, finance, media, etc., can’t do effective lobbying in the slim pit of American politics?
they equally apply this reasoning to all other ethnic groups, – i.e., they should be denied an ethno state under these same circumstances. Does this still raise a b&r flag for you?
No. I know that pure pacifist types exist, but .01% does not make the rule.
here’s the difference: while Robert Cohen’s way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam’s is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.
People have to have their philosophical ducks in a row before they can hold moral stances that count?
I should think that a true American patriot would want to prevent any ethnic group from having undue influence on the levers of power, as we all have witnessed what that undue influence has wrought.
Not sure where you’re coming from, iffen. Not to belabour the point, what I expect in a debate on the most pressing issues of the day is this: people must clearly articulate the basis on which they wish to justify actions that have occurred in the past or their policy proposals for future actions. They must choose between:
1. Might is right – i.e., the end justifies the means
2. Right is right – i.e., actions must adhere to a moral standard
I have no difficulty debating those who openly admit they subscribe to rule #1. It is usually short and sweet.
Where things get complicated is when I find myself debating those who allege they also subscribe to rule #2. I invariably find, however, that their arguments are really driven by some form of rule #1.
It is a good thing that we learn from our philosphers and try to make #2 our guide.
2. Right is right - i.e., actions must adhere to a moral standardI have no difficulty debating those who openly admit they subscribe to rule #1. It is usually short and sweet.Where things get complicated is when I find myself debating those who allege they also subscribe to rule #2. I invariably find, however, that their arguments are really driven by some form of rule #1.
#1 is reality.
It is a good thing that we learn from our philosphers and try to make #2 our guide.
Note: Because dialoguing with "iffen" is exhausting and bears no(zero) good fruit, the following comment is actually addressed to geokat62.
Might is right (Vae victus) is the U.S./Zionist foreign policy guide since the 1953 CIA overthrow of Mossadegh's rule in Iran. As you know, it got uglier upon the death of JFK and Johnson's assumption to U.S./Zio presidency.
At New World Order present, my friend, #1 is a definite & indisputable reality. Because current U.S/Zionist executive administrations make "the laws," and it logically follows that whatever the f*#uckers do is "right."
Subsequently, Clinton A.G. Attorney General Reno could fry American inhabitants of the Branch Davidian (Waco) compound and proclaim such is "right." You're intelligent and are blessed by a time-tested philosophy of what's right & wrong, geokat62 -- so I find it a waste of our time by my having to repeat the sickening immoral statement like Clinton's Secretary Albright made on millions of innocent Iraqi deaths, ".. it was worth it."
Under psychotic New World Order social engineering, design, implementation, and enforcement, categories #1 and #2 are criminally synthesized. At no time since even the days prior to WW I have U.S./Zionist governments been "moral"!
During the past 1/4 decade, there were humanitarian bombings, key Israeli complicity in 9/11 attacks and M.S.M., unnecessary & immoral W. Bush attack upon Afghanistan & Iraq, "Blackwater" combat mercenaries, "non-combatant" prisoner torture, etcetera, ad nauseum. So sickening, I defer going into Obama's undertaking of twisted "Terror War" abominations!
The only thing people like you and I have going for us (right now), geokat62, is the fact that presently, there is a (hidden) loophole written into prejudiced "The New World Order" ethic!
I'm a practicing school bus driver/attorney, and at no cost, I'll lay it out for Unz Review audience!
Since 1991, and as the nation state of Israel is deceptively promoted as being "The Middle East's only democracy," ANTI-SEMITIC reactions have become validated by Israel's barbaric actions against Palestinians and the fact that U.S. taxpayers are forced to "fork over" 38 billion dollars (over a span of 10-years) for Israel's defense.
As "Might is Right" and "Right is Right" concepts are synthesized by U.S./Brit/and Zionist political philosophy heavy weights , I want to ask, "is there is a place for (peace loving) New World Order anti-semitic subjects to settle and freely speak their hearts & minds without being hounded and placed upon a D.O.H.S. "watch list"?
Please let me know your thoughts on my legal theory, geokat62? I suffer sinus infection, including cough, sore throat, and given Obamacare insurance's shitty co-pays, I plan to take a break from commenting here at Unz, and go out and buy a bottle of Rock & Rye. (Regrettably, it's wasteful to continue exchanges with iffen, he's heavily drugged, on 50 mg, OXyZiodone) Thank you!
the rule of law.
And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.
A few excerpts from an interesting article on this topic:Here's an excerpt from the Introduction of Nadya Sadat's THE NUREMBERG PARADOX:
That "morality", claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing from the field of vision when the question is about e.g., America, very much a post-Hellenic entity; yet returning to centre stage in the "Twentieth Century, I say!" with all its luminous solemnity, weighing in on the "legality" of the Jewish state, never mind the circumstances which included a U.N. vote - no doubt yet again as custom dictates, to be conveniently branded a product of manipulative Jewish endeavour!
Then the resplendent chimaera reappears in the twenty-first century, crooning melodies of the divine white ethnic states in Canada and the U.S., never mind, oh never mind!..... the disposition of others.........
In some odd way and I can't really put my finger on it at the moment, it rings of the satirical rhyme penned by Edward, Duke of Windsor:
My dear Lord Archbishop,
What a scold you are!
And when your man is down how bold you are!
Of Christian charity how scant you are!
And Old Lang swine, how full of Cantuar.
And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.
The pivotal year isn’t 1948, iffen… it is just three years earlier, 1945.
A few excerpts from an interesting article on this topic:
Here’s an excerpt from the Introduction of Nadya Sadat’s THE NUREMBERG PARADOX:
I forgot you are a Canuck and Canadian citizens are not yet obligated to kick in annual billions of dollars for Israeli defense.
Plus, please consider how far we all got away from Mark Green's incisive comment (#1) and how he asserts Iran now tops Israel's "Weaken and Injure" list? Also, given Donal Trump's hair raising "America First" speech delivered last night in Michigan, how prophetic was M. Green in stating "America First" must get in the (C. Lindbergh) line... after Israeli territorial needs are fulfilled!
Best I can say about reading your intellectual exchanges with "iffen" is the fact that it reminds me of Solzhenitsyn's first NKVD arrest and initial time he spent trying to talk sense with "Smersh bums." Solzhenitsyn's great (moral) story can be read in Gulag Archipelago One, chapter "Arrest."
It is a good thing that we learn from our philosphers and try to make #2 our guide.
“… a good thing we learn form our philosophers and try to make # 2 our guide.”
Note: Because dialoguing with “iffen” is exhausting and bears no(zero) good fruit, the following comment is actually addressed to geokat62.
Might is right (Vae victus) is the U.S./Zionist foreign policy guide since the 1953 CIA overthrow of Mossadegh’s rule in Iran. As you know, it got uglier upon the death of JFK and Johnson’s assumption to U.S./Zio presidency.
At New World Order present, my friend, #1 is a definite & indisputable reality. Because current U.S/Zionist executive administrations make “the laws,” and it logically follows that whatever the f*#uckers do is “right.”
Subsequently, Clinton A.G. Attorney General Reno could fry American inhabitants of the Branch Davidian (Waco) compound and proclaim such is “right.” You’re intelligent and are blessed by a time-tested philosophy of what’s right & wrong, geokat62 — so I find it a waste of our time by my having to repeat the sickening immoral statement like Clinton’s Secretary Albright made on millions of innocent Iraqi deaths, “.. it was worth it.”
Under psychotic New World Order social engineering, design, implementation, and enforcement, categories #1 and #2 are criminally synthesized. At no time since even the days prior to WW I have U.S./Zionist governments been “moral”!
During the past 1/4 decade, there were humanitarian bombings, key Israeli complicity in 9/11 attacks and M.S.M., unnecessary & immoral W. Bush attack upon Afghanistan & Iraq, “Blackwater” combat mercenaries, “non-combatant” prisoner torture, etcetera, ad nauseum. So sickening, I defer going into Obama’s undertaking of twisted “Terror War” abominations!
The only thing people like you and I have going for us (right now), geokat62, is the fact that presently, there is a (hidden) loophole written into prejudiced “The New World Order” ethic!
I’m a practicing school bus driver/attorney, and at no cost, I’ll lay it out for Unz Review audience!
Since 1991, and as the nation state of Israel is deceptively promoted as being “The Middle East’s only democracy,” ANTI-SEMITIC reactions have become validated by Israel’s barbaric actions against Palestinians and the fact that U.S. taxpayers are forced to “fork over” 38 billion dollars (over a span of 10-years) for Israel’s defense.
As “Might is Right” and “Right is Right” concepts are synthesized by U.S./Brit/and Zionist political philosophy heavy weights , I want to ask, “is there is a place for (peace loving) New World Order anti-semitic subjects to settle and freely speak their hearts & minds without being hounded and placed upon a D.O.H.S. “watch list”?
Please let me know your thoughts on my legal theory, geokat62? I suffer sinus infection, including cough, sore throat, and given Obamacare insurance’s shitty co-pays, I plan to take a break from commenting here at Unz, and go out and buy a bottle of Rock & Rye. (Regrettably, it’s wasteful to continue exchanges with iffen, he’s heavily drugged, on 50 mg, OXyZiodone) Thank you!
And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.
[And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.]
That “morality”, claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing from the field of vision when the question is about e.g., America, very much a post-Hellenic entity; yet returning to centre stage in the “Twentieth Century, I say!” with all its luminous solemnity, weighing in on the “legality” of the Jewish state, never mind the circumstances which included a U.N. vote – no doubt yet again as custom dictates, to be conveniently branded a product of manipulative Jewish endeavour!
Then the resplendent chimaera reappears in the twenty-first century, crooning melodies of the divine white ethnic states in Canada and the U.S., never mind, oh never mind!….. the disposition of others………
In some odd way and I can’t really put my finger on it at the moment, it rings of the satirical rhyme penned by Edward, Duke of Windsor:
My dear Lord Archbishop,
What a scold you are!
And when your man is down how bold you are!
Of Christian charity how scant you are!
And Old Lang swine, how full of Cantuar.
Below, I modify Edward's satirical rhyme.
My dear Lord Netanyahu,
what a scold you are!
And how bold you are, especially
while goy American workers are so down!
Of Torah Jew charity how silent you are,
an Old Lang pantomine, how full of lard
"anti-semites" realize you always are!
Like "anon" wrote above, get prepared for inevitable Holocaust revisionism, and as I commented (# 434) get ready for the New World Order's having given birth to new anti-semitism; legitimately based upon what the Jewish state of Israeli does to both its neighbors,and not to ever forget, our good ole "Homeland," 9-11-2001.
(Note: G.W. Bush administration Defense Secretary Rumsfeld once tagged EU leaders as "Old Europe." Almost comical how the ever deluded masses who voted for Trump now want the "Old America" given back to them?)
How could our forebears have known that it would ever be so?
Yet today, it still turns upon whose ox’s hoof the glass slipper doth fit.
A few excerpts from an interesting article on this topic:Here's an excerpt from the Introduction of Nadya Sadat's THE NUREMBERG PARADOX:
geokat62,
I forgot you are a Canuck and Canadian citizens are not yet obligated to kick in annual billions of dollars for Israeli defense.
Plus, please consider how far we all got away from Mark Green’s incisive comment (#1) and how he asserts Iran now tops Israel’s “Weaken and Injure” list? Also, given Donal Trump’s hair raising “America First” speech delivered last night in Michigan, how prophetic was M. Green in stating “America First” must get in the (C. Lindbergh) line… after Israeli territorial needs are fulfilled!
Best I can say about reading your intellectual exchanges with “iffen” is the fact that it reminds me of Solzhenitsyn’s first NKVD arrest and initial time he spent trying to talk sense with “Smersh bums.” Solzhenitsyn’s great (moral) story can be read in Gulag Archipelago One, chapter “Arrest.”
That "morality", claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing from the field of vision when the question is about e.g., America, very much a post-Hellenic entity; yet returning to centre stage in the "Twentieth Century, I say!" with all its luminous solemnity, weighing in on the "legality" of the Jewish state, never mind the circumstances which included a U.N. vote - no doubt yet again as custom dictates, to be conveniently branded a product of manipulative Jewish endeavour!
Then the resplendent chimaera reappears in the twenty-first century, crooning melodies of the divine white ethnic states in Canada and the U.S., never mind, oh never mind!..... the disposition of others.........
In some odd way and I can't really put my finger on it at the moment, it rings of the satirical rhyme penned by Edward, Duke of Windsor:
My dear Lord Archbishop,
What a scold you are!
And when your man is down how bold you are!
Of Christian charity how scant you are!
And Old Lang swine, how full of Cantuar.
Sam,
Below, I modify Edward’s satirical rhyme.
My dear Lord Netanyahu,
what a scold you are!
And how bold you are, especially
while goy American workers are so down!
Of Torah Jew charity how silent you are,
an Old Lang pantomine, how full of lard
“anti-semites” realize you always are!
Like “anon” wrote above, get prepared for inevitable Holocaust revisionism, and as I commented (# 434) get ready for the New World Order’s having given birth to new anti-semitism; legitimately based upon what the Jewish state of Israeli does to both its neighbors,and not to ever forget, our good ole “Homeland,” 9-11-2001.
(Note: G.W. Bush administration Defense Secretary Rumsfeld once tagged EU leaders as “Old Europe.” Almost comical how the ever deluded masses who voted for Trump now want the “Old America” given back to them?)
That "morality", claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing from the field of vision when the question is about e.g., America, very much a post-Hellenic entity; yet returning to centre stage in the "Twentieth Century, I say!" with all its luminous solemnity, weighing in on the "legality" of the Jewish state, never mind the circumstances which included a U.N. vote - no doubt yet again as custom dictates, to be conveniently branded a product of manipulative Jewish endeavour!
Then the resplendent chimaera reappears in the twenty-first century, crooning melodies of the divine white ethnic states in Canada and the U.S., never mind, oh never mind!..... the disposition of others.........
In some odd way and I can't really put my finger on it at the moment, it rings of the satirical rhyme penned by Edward, Duke of Windsor:
My dear Lord Archbishop,
What a scold you are!
And when your man is down how bold you are!
Of Christian charity how scant you are!
And Old Lang swine, how full of Cantuar.
Yes, yes, of course, Sam, I am all well aware of the UN vote. While I’m not a legal expert, and putting aside for a moment these two complicating factors,:
what about what has transpired since 1967? What do you think of this legal score:
Here’s the difference, Sam. I’m not advocating for a system that will dominate a large segment of the existing population. You are.
I’m the one who’s simply in favour of implementing policies that will maintain the Western character of these new-world countries. Pretty controversial stuff, eh?
Fine writing style, Sam. Unfortunately, it’s the content that counts.
I’m just crooning the same tune Zionists (yourself included, based on previous self-admissions) have been crooning for over a century now, Sam. Having broken free from cultural marxism’s captivating spell, I’ve just decided to join in the Zionist chorus… better late than never, I guess.
I prefer this short but sweet line:
Sam,
Below is a real-life model of what I consider something human & very worthy for you to at least read & contemplate.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/09/see-how-we-live/
Kathy Kelly is Roman Catholic, a Chicago gal in her 60's, and mid-Spring this year, she was released from a prison where she did time for protesting at a U.S. armed drone military base. Very spiritual and self-giving, Kathy Kelly's life mission is dedicated to the exposure of EVIL in its many manifestations -- including that which is inside herself. For the record, the evil "inside" every one.
In the article "linked" above, you will note that Kathy Kelly, (unlike me), does not blame U.S./Zionist Jews for the havoc and suffering going on in Afghanistan. Christlike in her deeds, Kathy knows evil wears many masks and takes on a multitude of NAMES which adapt to the "times."
Some examples; In early 1980's, Americans were taught that Soviet invaders of Afghanistan were evil. Mid-1980's, Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were evil. Early 1990's, CIA asset Saddam Hussein's Iraq was evil. By 1999, Serbian Slobodon Milosevic was "The Face of Evil." Hours after the 9-11 attacks, Israeli Ehud Barak pronounced al Qaeda evil and encouraged full blown (sleazy) U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Today, "existential" evil is centered in Teheran. What do you think is in store for Islamic Republic of Iran's government, Sam?
Do you see a pattern how quick are D.C./Zionist leaders at striking at every conceivable evil... except (of course) that which resides & thrives in themselves?
Sam -- because you are younger in years and prematurely pontifical, I will be as polite as temperament permits. Any chance you listened to The Beatles (Fab Four) song lyric, "Try and see it my way!" I sincerely believe America as a nation would be a helluva lot better off to "see it" in Kathy Kelly's way.
Thank you. So good that our name-calling armistice holds, eh?
Hello Chuck, I read the linked article on Kathy Kelly’s work in Afghanistan, importantly her message in the final paragraphs, advocating a simply shared existence among all men before G’d.
There is little to disagree with her. I must say the arrow went home when you observed my premature pontification, which I might add I’ve noticed myself to my own chagrin and the occasional rebuke at the hands of my dear granny!
But I reckon there is a reason for it, every bit to do with my upbringing which had me placed in environments starkly disparate in all conditions, of people, geography, comfort and culture. I am equally at home and content in the company of ordinary Cockneys, or Bedouins and Palestinians, as I am among the denizens of the clubs and offices of London and NY. In truth, I favour the company of the former a little better. Or indeed, a great deal more. So the years in one’s life are only as meaningful as one spends them observing people, their troubles and tribulations as much as their joys and successes. I never claim any false modesty in my opinions, only that which I firmly believe to be accurate in taking stock of any given state of affairs.
Which brings us to the question of Iran. I won’t go into all the reasons I believe there is to be no war against her, and should my sanguinity prove unwarranted and naive, I shall be out protesting that act with every fibre.
Sam,
After all the mean-spirited exchanges we have indulged, I initially admit that I thought you might have written the beautiful comment (# 439) while @ Happy Hour and "Under the Influence."
At age 64, I come to realize that a rather painful moment will inevitably arrive when I either "kick the bucket" or I am seriously ill and a doctor tells me "It won't be long, Chuck" Presently, in my life, both at home and chatting inside joints like Dunkin' Donuts, I pay attention to a lot of the bullshit that's in the newspapers and on cable TV, and I get caught up in how ugly and savage 21st century American life has gotten.
Into Solzhenitsyn and his call for individual & national repentance, I carry with me a desire to shed off my human faults. As W. Bush once flippantly stated about governing, "It's hard-hard work" and indeed, Sam Shama, the same goes for the governing of one's "desires, appetites and passions."
As a life long Byzantine (Catholic) Christian, I try to not falter when it comes to my duty to resist evil. While reading the W.S.J. daily, I follow president-elect Trump's hawkish cabinet appointments. Will there be war against Iran? A school bus driver can not say for sure, but the best I can predict is the fact that the Iranian leadership must see how Trump did not appoint a Jewish peacenik-in-pajamas or Kathy Kelly to become Secretary of Defense.
When Secretary "Mad Dog" Mattis lays out Iran's options, and with a Green Light signaled by President Putin, the Iranian rulers will recognize that they have little leverage but to obey! Same goes for the Palestinian fate, no more "Two State Solution."
Thank you!
You wanted verification of my anecdote, lol. Those people don't leave paper trails on stuff like that, and they're all long dead now. Geo and S2 chimed in with irrelevant nepotism examples. I could care less who puts their family or friends in control of private business. (Our PE Trump groomed his kids to take over his interests, and more power to them.) But when a cabal takes over a government agency that influences our foreign alignments and state of war or peace, it's wrong. There is no doubt that US Jews have dual allegiance, and my story was from the 70's - before Jews started questioning Israeli policy, and before you were born.
Last week Code Pink held a "People's Tribunal on the Iraq War." Great idea, and John Kiriakou, Ray McGovern, and Phil Giraldi testified -among many others- about how we were lied and manipulated into war in 2003. BUT, having approved Alison Weir as a presenter, CP reneged on her invitation just days before the Tribunal. They had no good excuse, so it was a conscious decision to hide a significant piece of the puzzle. Now Alison has taken to the web to share her presentation, apparently too hot for Code Pink to handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjzD5zTLepc&feature=share
How Pro-Israel Neocons Pushed for War in Iraq
I forgot you are a Canuck and Canadian citizens are not yet obligated to kick in annual billions of dollars for Israeli defense.
Plus, please consider how far we all got away from Mark Green's incisive comment (#1) and how he asserts Iran now tops Israel's "Weaken and Injure" list? Also, given Donal Trump's hair raising "America First" speech delivered last night in Michigan, how prophetic was M. Green in stating "America First" must get in the (C. Lindbergh) line... after Israeli territorial needs are fulfilled!
Best I can say about reading your intellectual exchanges with "iffen" is the fact that it reminds me of Solzhenitsyn's first NKVD arrest and initial time he spent trying to talk sense with "Smersh bums." Solzhenitsyn's great (moral) story can be read in Gulag Archipelago One, chapter "Arrest."
Thanks for sharing, Chuck. btw – I just started reading AS’s Repentance and Self-Limitation.
Note: Because dialoguing with "iffen" is exhausting and bears no(zero) good fruit, the following comment is actually addressed to geokat62.
Might is right (Vae victus) is the U.S./Zionist foreign policy guide since the 1953 CIA overthrow of Mossadegh's rule in Iran. As you know, it got uglier upon the death of JFK and Johnson's assumption to U.S./Zio presidency.
At New World Order present, my friend, #1 is a definite & indisputable reality. Because current U.S/Zionist executive administrations make "the laws," and it logically follows that whatever the f*#uckers do is "right."
Subsequently, Clinton A.G. Attorney General Reno could fry American inhabitants of the Branch Davidian (Waco) compound and proclaim such is "right." You're intelligent and are blessed by a time-tested philosophy of what's right & wrong, geokat62 -- so I find it a waste of our time by my having to repeat the sickening immoral statement like Clinton's Secretary Albright made on millions of innocent Iraqi deaths, ".. it was worth it."
Under psychotic New World Order social engineering, design, implementation, and enforcement, categories #1 and #2 are criminally synthesized. At no time since even the days prior to WW I have U.S./Zionist governments been "moral"!
During the past 1/4 decade, there were humanitarian bombings, key Israeli complicity in 9/11 attacks and M.S.M., unnecessary & immoral W. Bush attack upon Afghanistan & Iraq, "Blackwater" combat mercenaries, "non-combatant" prisoner torture, etcetera, ad nauseum. So sickening, I defer going into Obama's undertaking of twisted "Terror War" abominations!
The only thing people like you and I have going for us (right now), geokat62, is the fact that presently, there is a (hidden) loophole written into prejudiced "The New World Order" ethic!
I'm a practicing school bus driver/attorney, and at no cost, I'll lay it out for Unz Review audience!
Since 1991, and as the nation state of Israel is deceptively promoted as being "The Middle East's only democracy," ANTI-SEMITIC reactions have become validated by Israel's barbaric actions against Palestinians and the fact that U.S. taxpayers are forced to "fork over" 38 billion dollars (over a span of 10-years) for Israel's defense.
As "Might is Right" and "Right is Right" concepts are synthesized by U.S./Brit/and Zionist political philosophy heavy weights , I want to ask, "is there is a place for (peace loving) New World Order anti-semitic subjects to settle and freely speak their hearts & minds without being hounded and placed upon a D.O.H.S. "watch list"?
Please let me know your thoughts on my legal theory, geokat62? I suffer sinus infection, including cough, sore throat, and given Obamacare insurance's shitty co-pays, I plan to take a break from commenting here at Unz, and go out and buy a bottle of Rock & Rye. (Regrettably, it's wasteful to continue exchanges with iffen, he's heavily drugged, on 50 mg, OXyZiodone) Thank you!
Hey, Chuck. I can say this: you are absolutely right when you wrote:
It’s that tradition that has taught me the importance of immersing one’s soul as much as possible in the Sublime Braid, the true, the beautiful, the good. As a result, while I’m prepared to wholeheartedly condemn other human beings for their vile actions, I am not prepared to condemn them for who they are.
I think you are grasping at straws when you say you have joined the Zionist chorus or at least muddled since you both condemn the state and then embrace it in the span of the same post.
And the noble Hellenic sentiment, much megaphoned, now dispatched for convenience – one always suspected them absent – your response, which I had anticipated in my post, I fear is every bit dead as last week’s mutton.
I sing the song of nationalism because it makes sense. I condemn Zionism not because it advocates nationalist policies. No, Sam, I condemn it insofar as it has been brutally occupying ~4 million people for ~50 years. If the Zionists had created their own state without this odious aspect, you and I would not be having this conversation. Not sure why someone who purportedly has +7σ IQ would have difficulty grasping this simple distinction.I'm afraid you haven't adhered to any of the 5 practical rules associated with Fowler’s “King’s English.”
Below, I modify Edward's satirical rhyme.
My dear Lord Netanyahu,
what a scold you are!
And how bold you are, especially
while goy American workers are so down!
Of Torah Jew charity how silent you are,
an Old Lang pantomine, how full of lard
"anti-semites" realize you always are!
Like "anon" wrote above, get prepared for inevitable Holocaust revisionism, and as I commented (# 434) get ready for the New World Order's having given birth to new anti-semitism; legitimately based upon what the Jewish state of Israeli does to both its neighbors,and not to ever forget, our good ole "Homeland," 9-11-2001.
(Note: G.W. Bush administration Defense Secretary Rumsfeld once tagged EU leaders as "Old Europe." Almost comical how the ever deluded masses who voted for Trump now want the "Old America" given back to them?)
I appreciate the attempt to modify the rhyme. But it has to rhyme, has it not? Perhaps you ought to ask S2C to try his hand at it? In any case, I understand your concerns.
My last entry on this subject which seems to have attracted a surfeit of moral indignation and sermonising, the very two things I attempt to steer clear of.
That "morality", claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing from the field of vision when the question is about e.g., America, very much a post-Hellenic entity; yet returning to centre stage in the "Twentieth Century, I say!" with all its luminous solemnity, weighing in on the "legality" of the Jewish state, never mind the circumstances which included a U.N. vote - no doubt yet again as custom dictates, to be conveniently branded a product of manipulative Jewish endeavour!
Then the resplendent chimaera reappears in the twenty-first century, crooning melodies of the divine white ethnic states in Canada and the U.S., never mind, oh never mind!..... the disposition of others.........
In some odd way and I can't really put my finger on it at the moment, it rings of the satirical rhyme penned by Edward, Duke of Windsor:
My dear Lord Archbishop,
What a scold you are!
And when your man is down how bold you are!
Of Christian charity how scant you are!
And Old Lang swine, how full of Cantuar.
That “morality”, claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing
How could our forebears have known that it would ever be so?
Yet today, it still turns upon whose ox’s hoof the glass slipper doth fit.
Nice try, Sam.
I sing the song of nationalism because it makes sense. I condemn Zionism not because it advocates nationalist policies. No, Sam, I condemn it insofar as it has been brutally occupying ~4 million people for ~50 years. If the Zionists had created their own state without this odious aspect, you and I would not be having this conversation. Not sure why someone who purportedly has +7σ IQ would have difficulty grasping this simple distinction.
I’m afraid you haven’t adhered to any of the 5 practical rules associated with Fowler’s “King’s English.”
How could our forebears have known that it would ever be so?
Yet today, it still turns upon whose ox’s hoof the glass slipper doth fit.
I still prefer my previous quote:
One last question for iffen and Sam.
Do either of you favour multiculturalism over nationalism?
I sing the song of nationalism because it makes sense. I condemn Zionism not because it advocates nationalist policies. No, Sam, I condemn it insofar as it has been brutally occupying ~4 million people for ~50 years. If the Zionists had created their own state without this odious aspect, you and I would not be having this conversation. Not sure why someone who purportedly has +7σ IQ would have difficulty grasping this simple distinction.I'm afraid you haven't adhered to any of the 5 practical rules associated with Fowler’s “King’s English.”
What is dead as last week’s mutton, Sam, is the system of apartheid. Wake up and smell the mutton.
Do either of you favour multiculturalism over nationalism?
Do either of you favour multiculturalism
I like America’s melting pot.
At the present time we need to take a break from adding any more ingredients to the pot so as to allow the current concoction to simmer and assimilate.
People should be willing to place being an American above their ancestry.
btw - I myself have read the first 14 of the 18 chapters of his book, but haven't come across anything yet on the issue you're highlighting.
There are, however, 4 more chapters to go and the penultimate one looks promising:I'll keep you posted.
I just finished reading Ch. 17 of Michael Collins Piper’s book, Final Judgement. The chapter is entitled They Dare Not Speak Out:
The Media’s Silence—Why Israel’s Role in the JFK Assassination Could Not Be Exposed
Here is the concluding paragraph:
I must say the chapter is chock-full of allegations. Here are some of the most pertinent ones:
geokat62,
I suppose you're talking to me?
Thanks for providing excerpts from Mr. Piper's book. As previously stated, a friend plans to give me his book as a Christmas gift. Having read 4-solid books on JFK's unsolved murder and sickening cover up, I am eager to start on the author's "Final Judgement" and its "allegations" where other authors dare not go.
Many local (wise) old people tell me that my enthusiasm for chasing down JFK's actual murderers is "convicts over the wall, never to be sen again." 'Til I die, I stay with the topic because the act and cover up was very evil.
This morning, while checking out groceries @ Price Chopper, I looked at the latest edition of National Inquirer which headlined, "Castro's deathbed confession that he had JFK killed." It's no wonder that the CIA's > 500 attempts to kill Castro failed because they likely realized (at heart) Fidel did Israel such a huge favor & allowed their nuke weapons program to proliferate.
Finally, to my knowledge, neither Unz Review writers nor commenters ever discuss Christopher Bollyn's indispensable book, "Solving 9-11." Soon it will be 16 years since the False Flag 9-11 attacks and evil cover up. geokat62 -- Upon reading Bollyn's book, & without having to hand out grams of coke to "Talking Heads," you will learn how Arnon Milchan managed to get the entire post-911 M.S.M. to fib like pigs. Thank you.
The Media’s Silence—Why Israel’s Role in the JFK Assassination Could Not Be Exposed
Here is the concluding paragraph:I must say the chapter is chock-full of allegations. Here are some of the most pertinent ones:
“I’ll keep you posted.”
geokat62,
I suppose you’re talking to me?
Thanks for providing excerpts from Mr. Piper’s book. As previously stated, a friend plans to give me his book as a Christmas gift. Having read 4-solid books on JFK’s unsolved murder and sickening cover up, I am eager to start on the author’s “Final Judgement” and its “allegations” where other authors dare not go.
Many local (wise) old people tell me that my enthusiasm for chasing down JFK’s actual murderers is “convicts over the wall, never to be sen again.” ‘Til I die, I stay with the topic because the act and cover up was very evil.
This morning, while checking out groceries @ Price Chopper, I looked at the latest edition of National Inquirer which headlined, “Castro’s deathbed confession that he had JFK killed.” It’s no wonder that the CIA’s > 500 attempts to kill Castro failed because they likely realized (at heart) Fidel did Israel such a huge favor & allowed their nuke weapons program to proliferate.
Finally, to my knowledge, neither Unz Review writers nor commenters ever discuss Christopher Bollyn’s indispensable book, “Solving 9-11.” Soon it will be 16 years since the False Flag 9-11 attacks and evil cover up. geokat62 — Upon reading Bollyn’s book, & without having to hand out grams of coke to “Talking Heads,” you will learn how Arnon Milchan managed to get the entire post-911 M.S.M. to fib like pigs. Thank you.
“I must say the arrow went home when you recognized my premature pontification.”
Sam,
After all the mean-spirited exchanges we have indulged, I initially admit that I thought you might have written the beautiful comment (# 439) while @ Happy Hour and “Under the Influence.”
At age 64, I come to realize that a rather painful moment will inevitably arrive when I either “kick the bucket” or I am seriously ill and a doctor tells me “It won’t be long, Chuck” Presently, in my life, both at home and chatting inside joints like Dunkin’ Donuts, I pay attention to a lot of the bullshit that’s in the newspapers and on cable TV, and I get caught up in how ugly and savage 21st century American life has gotten.
Into Solzhenitsyn and his call for individual & national repentance, I carry with me a desire to shed off my human faults. As W. Bush once flippantly stated about governing, “It’s hard-hard work” and indeed, Sam Shama, the same goes for the governing of one’s “desires, appetites and passions.”
As a life long Byzantine (Catholic) Christian, I try to not falter when it comes to my duty to resist evil. While reading the W.S.J. daily, I follow president-elect Trump’s hawkish cabinet appointments. Will there be war against Iran? A school bus driver can not say for sure, but the best I can predict is the fact that the Iranian leadership must see how Trump did not appoint a Jewish peacenik-in-pajamas or Kathy Kelly to become Secretary of Defense.
When Secretary “Mad Dog” Mattis lays out Iran’s options, and with a Green Light signaled by President Putin, the Iranian rulers will recognize that they have little leverage but to obey! Same goes for the Palestinian fate, no more “Two State Solution.”
Thank you!
Being from Canada, I had accepted, without any critical thought, the prevailing view put forth by the current PM's father - i.e, that Canada is comprised of its many ethnic communities and should be proud of its diversity. We considered ourselves a "cultural mosaic" and looked down upon America's "melting pot."
But after reading several articles and seeing several commenters here at Unz express their views on this topic, I've started questioning some of my earlier presuppositions.
For example, I recall one of Joe Webb's previous derogatory comments regarding multiculturalism, and how he painted a bleak picture of the future, if things continued on the same path we're currently on. I initially dismissed his comment, suggesting that if things didn't work out for the Europeans, they could always just sail back from whence they came.
Since posting that comment, however, I have been doing some further research - especially into the wellsprings of popular culture, better known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism. Most Americans are unaware that the founders of Critical Theory, the theory that underpins political correctness, are a small group of intellectuals associated with the Frankfurt School. And the person who has done the most research on this topic is professor Kevin MacDonald. While I've just started reading his Culture of Critique, I've finished reading his essay, THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL OF SOCIAL RESEARCH AND THE ORIGINS OF THE THERAPEUTIC STATE, A Case Study of Jewish Intellectual Activism.
Here's what he has to say about the theories put forth by the FS's two leading members:And what is the overarching vision of Critical Theory:And how is any of this connected to your question of: What is a Canuck?:So, before reading Prof MacDonald's essay, like most people, I had no idea where the concept of multiculturalism had come from and who was responsible for promoting it. It seemed harmless enough on the surface. But now that the origins of this concept have been exposed, I'm not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do... or any Western country for that matter. If these nations stay on their current course, their future will be one of chronic conflict between different racial/ethnic groups. Not a bright future.
So, to answer your question, Sam, a Canuck, American, or Australian should be someone who is proud of his European culture, history, and identity and should fight vigorously to salvage it before it's too late.
That's my definition of a Canuck, Sam. And that's my definition of a Yankee. I guess it all boils down to iffen's earlier remark: "I have no hostility toward the right of the Germans to an ethno nation state, then or now."
My hope, Sam, is that more Europeans (both inside and outside Europe) will stop worshipping at the feet of the false God of multiculturalism and re-embrace their culture, history, and identity... before it's too late.
As promised, just wanted to share some of the fruits of my labour. I just finished reading an excellent collection of essays edited by William S. Lind, called “Political Correctness:” A Short History of an Ideology (A Product of the Free Congress Foundation).
http://static.ow.ly/docs/Political%20Correctnes%20-%20A%20Short%20History%20of%20an%20Idealogy_9Nd.pdf
Lind has written the introduction and the first of 6 chapters.
Here are the most pertinent excerpts from the intro and Ch. 1 (I will post excepts from the remaining chapters separately for ease of reading. For those who prefer a summary version, read William Lind’s, The Origins of Political Correctness http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/ ):
Chapter II, The Historical Roots of “Political Correctness,” by Raymond V. Raehn
Let’s hope you’re right (that Iran won’t be attacked). While I agree, it’s not with great confidence, and imo it’s not adequate to protest post facto. The current demonization must be challenged, and the forces of evil or insanity not underestimated.
You wanted verification of my anecdote, lol. Those people don’t leave paper trails on stuff like that, and they’re all long dead now. Geo and S2 chimed in with irrelevant nepotism examples. I could care less who puts their family or friends in control of private business. (Our PE Trump groomed his kids to take over his interests, and more power to them.) But when a cabal takes over a government agency that influences our foreign alignments and state of war or peace, it’s wrong. There is no doubt that US Jews have dual allegiance, and my story was from the 70′s – before Jews started questioning Israeli policy, and before you were born.
Last week Code Pink held a “People’s Tribunal on the Iraq War.” Great idea, and John Kiriakou, Ray McGovern, and Phil Giraldi testified -among many others- about how we were lied and manipulated into war in 2003. BUT, having approved Alison Weir as a presenter, CP reneged on her invitation just days before the Tribunal. They had no good excuse, so it was a conscious decision to hide a significant piece of the puzzle. Now Alison has taken to the web to share her presentation, apparently too hot for Code Pink to handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjzD5zTLepc&feature=share
How Pro-Israel Neocons Pushed for War in Iraq
Chapter III, Political Correctness in Higher Education, by T. Kenneth Cribb, Jr.
Loved this quote at the very end of this excerpt:
Chapter IV, Political Correctness: Deconstruction and Literature, by Jamie McDonald
Chapter V, Radical Feminism and Political Correctness, by Dr. Gerald L. Atkinson
Final installment.
Chapter VI, Further Readings on the Frankfurt School, by William S. Lind
I think he is an old-school monarchist to boot.
Peace.
You wanted verification of my anecdote, lol. Those people don't leave paper trails on stuff like that, and they're all long dead now. Geo and S2 chimed in with irrelevant nepotism examples. I could care less who puts their family or friends in control of private business. (Our PE Trump groomed his kids to take over his interests, and more power to them.) But when a cabal takes over a government agency that influences our foreign alignments and state of war or peace, it's wrong. There is no doubt that US Jews have dual allegiance, and my story was from the 70's - before Jews started questioning Israeli policy, and before you were born.
Last week Code Pink held a "People's Tribunal on the Iraq War." Great idea, and John Kiriakou, Ray McGovern, and Phil Giraldi testified -among many others- about how we were lied and manipulated into war in 2003. BUT, having approved Alison Weir as a presenter, CP reneged on her invitation just days before the Tribunal. They had no good excuse, so it was a conscious decision to hide a significant piece of the puzzle. Now Alison has taken to the web to share her presentation, apparently too hot for Code Pink to handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjzD5zTLepc&feature=share
How Pro-Israel Neocons Pushed for War in Iraq
Look for it, but couldn’t find it. Did I chime in this thread or another one?
Chapter VI, Further Readings on the Frankfurt School, by William S. Lind
Geo – thanks much for those posts. William Lind is a great man! Especially in the matters of state and military history and strategy.
I think he is an old-school monarchist to boot.
Peace.
Speaking of smelling the mutton, here’s someone with a properly functioning olfactory organ:
I think we will see the end of geopolitical truth that commit to world development (or) globe destruction by no Nbomb.
We know ME agendas of every country there. We know lipstick or cosmetic or syntethic material since 1944. We are civilian. Refusing civilian casualties.
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