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One of the most discouraging aspects of the filling out of the Donald Trump cabinet is the array of Iran haters that seem to be lining up in the foreign policy and national security areas. Trump has been personally advocating sensible policies relating to Russia and Syria but he appears to have gone off the rails regarding Iran, which just might be attributed to those who are giving him advice. A reversion to the relationship that prevailed prior to last year’s signing of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPA) between Iran and the so-called P5+1 consisting of the United States, Russia, China, France, Britain, and the European Union would be undesirable, to say the least, but that appears to be what is likely to develop. Or it could be even worse, finding bilateral support for “action” as a number of policy advisors in the presidential campaign from both parties were endorsing something like war against the Persians.

The irony is that the argument made then and now for attacking Iran were based on the threat of Tehran deciding to build its own atomic bomb. With the JCPA agreement, however, most would agree that any remaining concerns that Tehran might even be considering the development of a nuclear weapons program were greatly diminished. Iran has since that time been in compliance with the agreement, possible nuclear proliferation has been avoided, and, apart from the fulminations of the inevitable anti-Iranian politicians in the United States, the signatories to the agreement have expressed their satisfaction with the outcome. It has been Washington that has failed to live up to its part of the agreement by easing remaining restrictions that are being imposed against Iranian financial institutions and regarding the purchase of some commercially available dual use technologies.

Candidate Donald Trump did not need much prompting to pick up on the prevailing anti-Iran sentiment. In a number of campaign speeches he denounced the JCPA as a bad deal and vowed to tear it up upon taking office. Some of that sentiment might well have been derived from his desire to distance himself from foreign policy positions promoted by President Barack Obama that were subsequently endorsed by Hillary Clinton so it is no surprise that since being elected he has somewhat modified his stance. He is now veering towards trying to renegotiate the agreement, which would likely be impossible given that it has multiple signatories. He could nevertheless disrupt it by continuing or increasing sanctions on Iran.

The thought of reverting to a state of unrelenting hostility towards Iran is disconcerting. One recalls joint CIA-Mossad operations between 2010 and 2012 that assassinated four civilian scientists connected to the country’s nuclear program as well as the creation of the Stuxnet virus that threatened to spread to other computers worldwide. It is generally accepted that Israel’s Mossad planned and prepared the killing of the scientists with a little help from the U.S., attacks which were almost certainly carried out by associates of the radical Marxist group Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), which is now being seen favorably by several Trump advisors even though the group is Marxist, cult-like and has killed Americans.

The assassinations were based on the false premise that Iran had a nuclear weapons program that could be disrupted by killing the scientists and technicians involved. Two comprehensive studies by the American government’s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) conducted in 2007 and 2011 determined that no such program existed and that Iran had never taken any serious steps to initiate such research. Israel was also aware that there was no program. Nevertheless, the Israeli and American governments took steps to interfere with Iran’s existing and completely legal and open to inspection atomic energy program by identifying then killing its scientists and also introducing viruses into its computer systems. This was in spite of the fact that Iran was fully compliant with international norms on nuclear research and it was a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Israel, possessing its own nuclear arsenal, had refused to sign.

The history of the Iran-U.S. relationship is significant because several Trump advisors appear to be locked into a time warp regarding the Mullahs and the threat to Americans that they allegedly constitute. Former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) head Michael Flynn, who will be the Trump National Security Advisor, is the most prominent Iran hater and also the most outspoken.

Flynn, also an unapologetic Islamophobe, has said that Iran represents a danger to U.S. national security and that our friend and ally Israel “lives under the threat of total annihilation from Iran…something the United States must never allow.” He believes that Iran intends to build nuclear weapons as well as the ballistic missiles needed to deliver them on target and thinks that “regime change” is the only solution to the threat posed by the current government. And for Flynn, Iran is not alone, it is part of a “global alliance” that includes China and Russia which seeks to threaten the U.S. and its allies.

Flynn concludes that Iran is unmitigated evil and that Washington should have nothing to do with it, apart from recognizing the reality that it and its government must be destroyed. I personally attended a conference in Moscow last December at which Flynn asserted that Iran is solely responsible for nearly all the instability in the Middle East and is behind at least five wars in the region, an assertion that is just as ridiculous as it sounds.

One might suggest that Flynn is terribly uninformed about a subject regarding which he claims expertise. His comments would suggest that the capabilities of the DIA that he once headed were dangerously overrated, but reports from his former colleagues indicate that he was always guilty of serious overreach in his pronouncements, something they referred to as “Flynn facts”.

If Flynn were just one loud voice braying in the wilderness he would be bad enough since his job is important, particularly with a president who has no foreign policy experience, but the sad fact is that he is not alone. Congressman, West Point grad and former Army officer Mike Pompeo, who will head the CIA, is more-or-less on the same page when it comes to Iran. Her supports new sanctions on the country and, regarding his appointment as Director, he had only one comment to make and it related to the JCPA, “I look forward to rolling back this disastrous deal with the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism.” As in the case with Flynn and DIA one has to wonder what kind of “objective” intelligence CIA will be producing under Pompeo.

Finally, there is retired Marine General James Mattis, who is being considered for a senior position in national security, possibly as Secretary of Defense. He is yet another Iranophobe who opposed the JCPA and calls Iran a rogue state that constitutes the “greatest threat” in the Middle East. As part of the evidence for that assessment he cites Iran’s alliance with Syria, which is at least in part directed against America’s enemy number one ISIS, demonstrating once again how Establishment Washington has difficulty in understanding what constitutes actual national interests. Mattis, in fact, denies that Iran is actually fighting ISIS.

The neoconservative kingpin Bill Kristol is gloating, headlining in his Weekly Standard publication that the “Iran Deal Is Doomed!” He should be pleased. Team Trump’s attitude towards an alleged Iranian threat is delusional, more in sync with Kristol and some Israeli thinking than with any actual American interests. Just as neoconservatives always believe that it is 1938 and we are in Munich, Flynn, Pompeo and Mattis likewise seem to think that it is 1979 and the United States Embassy in Tehran is still occupied.

The three Trumpsmen are not stupid, far from it, but the problem appears to be that they cannot comfortably assess two or more conflicting concepts at the same time, which might be due to the linear thinking derived from their military backgrounds. The Middle East is awash with players, all of whom have separate agendas, few of which coincide with actual American interests. If one is fixated on or obsessed with Iran as the sole disruptive force in the region it becomes difficult to see how Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel are also problems. It is decidedly neoconnish to look at a complex foreign policy issue and only see black and white, but that is what the Trump national security team seems to be prone to do.

Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war. It requires building on the relationship established by JCPA to bind Iran more closely to the international community, both economically and culturally. By all accounts, young Iranians, a majority of the population, are dismissive of the rigidity of their own government and are very open to Western ideas and lifestyle. Change will come to Iran if the United States and its European allies encourage more rather than less non-threatening contact. It will not come at the point of a bayonet as Flynn, Pompeo and Mattis appear to be promoting.

 
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  1. Mark Green says: • Website

    Why is Washington (and the Deep State) obsessed with Iran? After all, Iran poses no conceivable threat to the US. The never-ending ‘crisis’ between Tehran and Washington is primarily about Israel. ‘America First’ will just have to wait.

    Just as the US destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were crypto-Israeli hits, Iran is now at the very top of Israel’s ‘Injure and Weaken’ list.

    And since US military and political power is very much in the hands of high-powered Zionist operatives, Iran must be softened up until the time is right for either a Syria-style destabilization campaign, or an Iraq-style annihilation. The Zionist-friendly, re-making of the Middle East is still underway. It’s a Deep State affair that’s been unofficial policy since the PNAC papers.

    Like all modern US presidents, Trump has no intention of starting his presidency in a struggle with the ubiquitous Israel lobby. Let’s get real. Thus, heightened political and economic pressure on Iran is inevitable. Zionists demand it.

  2. Jason Liu says:

    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don’t share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

  3. MEexpert says:

    The neocons always win, even when they lose. Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy. And I thought Trump was smart.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Dieter Heymann
  4. Yevardian says:
    @Mark Green

    Iran remains a functioning example of successful resistance (no matter how long ago) to the USA and so it must be destroyed.

    Honestly, the Obama era will probably be remembered as a period of relative peace.

    • Replies: @thegiza
  5. The fact that Iran is allied with Russia and that alternatives to the US dollar financial monopoly appear to have become increasingly developed will hopefully limit the scope of what the yankee imperium can accomplish in this area. Hopefully, reality will convince Trump not to go to far, though this does raise serious questions.

  6. I don’t for a minute believe that Pompeo, Flynn and Mattis actually believe that Iran is the “world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism”. They would have to be morons to actually believe that blatant lie. The uninformed public and Trump may fall for the Zionist propaganda about Iran but these three are well informed and know the truth. Flynn even publicly stated that the rise of ISIS was “a willful Washington decision”. All three know that the Saudis are the single largest promoter of Wahhabi terrorism with U.S., Turkish and Israeli support.

    Like the politicians in Congress, these ambitious men know what policies will get them promoted (or campaign funding) and what views will end their careers. As others have mentioned, if you support Israeli centric policies, especially those relating to Iran, your promotion is assured regardless of which party you belong to.

  7. … radical Marxist group Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), which is now being seen favorably by several Trump advisors even though the group is Marxist, cult-like and has killed Americans.

    A minor point: what’s with smearing political organizations as ‘cult-like’? Do not US political parties (especially the Democrats, these days) behave like cults? Are not PNAC-neocons in the US a cult-like group? I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

  8. Realist says:
    @MEexpert

    ” Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy.”

    That is correct money talks.

    “And I thought Trump was smart.”

    In spite of the fact he is considering Romney for anything?

    I wonder if the Romney thing is a deal with the devil for services rendered.

  9. Thirdeye says:

    The contradictions in Trump’s international outlook could make him into the next Jimmy Carter.

  10. Montefrío says: • Website

    Iran exercises national monetary sovereignty and makes a go of it: can’t have that as an example!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  11. Amasius says:

    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Wally
    , @Randal
    , @moi
  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Israel must be tired of winning.

    This doesn’t mean that Iran shouldn’t get drubbed, pour effrayer les autres.

  13. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The ‘Wars for Wall Street and Israel’ party wins again. We’ll kill as many ME and Asian Arabs as we must to let our good buddy Israel stay the #1 power in the region and to enable it to steal more land on its way to Eretz Israel, as Israel has no problem with sacrificing American blood and treasure.

  14. By all accounts, young Iranians, a majority of the population, are dismissive of the rigidity of their own government and are very open to Western ideas and lifestyle. Change will come to Iran if the United States and its European allies encourage more rather than less non-threatening contact.

    Why must Iran “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle?”

    USA has a lot to learn from Iranian culture. Moreover, having just traveled nearly 3 000 miles in the USA and encountered a relentless landscape of fast food restaurants, big box stores and shopping malls, one hopes desperately that some corner of the world preserves an alternative, diverse way of defining “lifestyle.”

    imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle.”

    In an appearance before a US House subcommittee on Sept 12 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu told the congressmen that “Hollywood TV programs should be beamed into Iran, to induce young Iranians to want Hollywoodish clothes and swimming pools and fancy houses.”
    “That’s subversive,” Bibi concluded, to the tittered delight of his audience of sycophants. https://www.c-span.org/video/?172612-1/israeli-perspective-conflict-iraq

    The automatic assumption that Iran “must change” suggests that as problematic as the Iranophobia of Trump’s appointments are — and they are deeply disconcerting — the problem is far deeper than the subverted mindsets of four or five decision-makers or even of the neocons who wield the power to pressure them: the attitude that US — “Western” — values and lifestyle are superior and the cultural benchmark is ingrained in the American psyche.

    That aspect of Americanism is composed of equal parts ignorance, parochialism, and years of disinformation.

    Of those three elements, parochialism is the most amazing to contemplate: in this era of diversity and globalization, our Israeli friends are just as culturally inbred and terrified to venture out of their own little neighborhoods and comfort zones as are the vast numbers of Americans who keep all those fast fooderies and shopping centers in business.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  15. Miro23 says:

    Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war.

    This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian “regime change”.

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu’s efforts for years, with Israel needing it’s US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli “preventive” strike.

    The interesting part, is that, from the “America First” viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.

    Trump was elected on “America First”, promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.

    A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there’s no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.

    Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn’t fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he’s operating in “morality free territory”, rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.

    Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It’s difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.

  16. @Chet Roman

    What’s most disturbing about US decision makers paying obeisance to zionists/Israel firsters is that zionists have not had a creative idea is over a century. They are banging on the same tired drum and don’t realize themselves how boring and backward is the beat.

    US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
    That’s the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Compare to Iran: Over its millennia — hell, over the past 150 years — Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.

    USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
    Iran has weathered all these challenges.

    USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.

    One hears frequently that “Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy “the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . .

    But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
    , @Avery
  17. @Jason Liu

    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don’t share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world.

    The false left wing vs right wing dichotomy is about as useful and obsolete as the sappy Republican vs Democrat one.

    One of the few politically sensible dichotomies is the “elite” vs the “deplorables.”

    • Replies: @Exudd1
  18. @Chet Roman

    You are correct. One wonders why they even bother fabricating pretexts since they inevitably do what they want anyway and there’s no effective way to bridle the jokers.

    Already Trump is proving how great a hustler he is, having duped the productive classes big time. Sadly, power seems already to be going to sap’s head.

    While I’m happy that Hillabeast the War Sow got handed a well deserved rebuke and hopefully a quick slide into obscurity,I doubt Humpty Trump’ll prove to be much of an improvement.

  19. @SolontoCroesus

    imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle.”

    Imo as well.

    For instance, it’s truly sad to see how the people of the Philippines, which is immensely rich in cultural heritage, try so hard to emulate things Western. It’s often a truly degrading and depressing spectacle.

    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.

    • Replies: @Art
  20. @Miro23

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu’s efforts for years…

    Yup.

    And speaking of the goon, I wonder why this isn’t common knowledge?

    “The Israeli press is picking up Grant Smith’s revelation from FBI documents that Benjamin Netanyahu was part of an Israeli smuggling ring that spirited nuclear triggers out of the U.S. in the 80s and 90s.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel.html

    Breathless warnings that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability have been made for decades. Here is a chronicle of predictions.
    - Scott Peterson, Staff writer

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Israel-s-one-year-timeframe-disproved-2010-11

  21. biz says:

    Iranophpobe??

    Is that like “Islamophobe” aka a transparent and intellectually dishonest leftist attempt to brand perfectly reasonable opposition to a hideous ideology as a taboo prejudice against people? Signs point to yes.

  22. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Washington (CNN) — Voter turnout this year dipped to nearly its lowest point in two decades.
    While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year. That measure of turnout is the lowest in a presidential election since 1996, when 53.5% of voting-age citizens turned out.

    They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Demands, you say.

  23. Marcus says:
    @Amasius

    That’s my thinking, maybe just wishful. Also got to throw a bone to Adelson et al

  24. Boris N says:

    Sounds like an Internet meme: You voted against Clinton to stop the war in Syria and Iraq – Trump starts a war with Iran.

  25. @Miro23

    Could not agree more. A war with Iran would be a total disaster for both the US and Trump. Even if it turns that Trump really doesn’t give a shit about us, he must still care about himself! Besides, if Russia blocked the efforts of the US & Friends to break up Syria, they are not just going to sit back and let us attack Iran. Since he claims to want better relations with Russia, this is something for Trump to think about.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  26. BTW, for an alternative view of Gen. Flynn, here’s Thierry Meyssan, who happens to be very pro-Syrian: http://www.voltairenet.org/article194153.html

  27. Marcus says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    Not to mention popular support that it has been lacking for a long time would coalesce around the Iranian regime.

  28. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C,

    and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence

    Darn right – those people are serious survivors – inshaAllah they aren’t going anywhere. A war with Iran would be a disaster for both Iran and the US – I don’t think the big shots know what they are dealing with – it will be nothing like Iraq.

    One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements – especially another war.

    An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan’s lawless provinces to the Mediterranean – how that is in anyone’s interest is beyond me.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Sam Shama
  29. Avery says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    { Kristol Krime Krew}

    Pretty clever.

  30. Sam Shama says:

    Iran has since that time been in compliance with the agreement, possible nuclear proliferation has been avoided

    Not quite. She has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/11/11/iaea-iran-violated-nuclear-deal/

    • Replies: @geokat62
  31. @Miro23

    Miro

    Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien…I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!

    • LOL: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    , @NoseytheDuke
  32. Avery says:
    @Talha

    {An collapsed Iran}

    Iran is not going to collapse.

    People forget the Iraq-Iran war: Iranians doggedly fought for 8 years against the well equipped Iraqi military. Iran had only obsolescent equipment from Shah’s days.
    Iraq was given massive support, including satellite intelligence, by US and other Western states.

    The whole Iranian nation stood up and fought for their country. For example, since Iran had no mineclearing equipment, Iranian teenagers voluntarily walked over minefields to save the valuable older troops for battle.
    Iranians will fight to the last man, if they have to.
    And Russia is not going to allow any direct attack by US or Israel on Iran.

    And as others have said, I don’t see Trump’s Iran rhetoric as serious.
    It is a complete disconnect: on the one hand he was very rational about Syria on the campaign trail. After his conversation with Putin, RuAF restarted the massive bombing campaign to eradicate the terrorists. So Trump must have told Putin he supports the eradication, as he had said during the debates. Aleppo is near-liberated.

    So what would be the illogic of picking a fight with Iran?
    Iranian elite troops are fighting to eradicate ISIS terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Why would Trump want to interfere?

    As to the Trump tearing up the nuke agreement: makes no practical difference for Iran. EU will not go along, and without EU’s support, US will be all alone. Without EU, US has no effectual ways of pressuring Iran. Nothing will change, and US will look foolish and weak.

    • Replies: @Talha
  33. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Team Trump isn’t thinking of, or planning for, a hot war with Iran; seeking instead, that she doesn’t inexorably (a) move to nuclearise her arsenal (b) destabilise the market for crude (3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.

    On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Talha
    , @tumi
  34. Talha says:
    @Avery

    Hey Avery,

    I agree with your points (including Russia throwing her weight behind Iran). I also doubt there would be a full-scale collapse, however I can definitely see the central government losing control of certain borders and certain patches of territory (I don’t know how that could be avoided in a place as large as Iran). That would mean a potential flow of men and military hardware across the territory I mentioned – again, not good for anybody in that region.

    Peace.

  35. The three Trumpsmen are not stupid, far from it, but the problem appears to be that they cannot comfortably assess two or more conflicting concepts at the same time, which might be due to the linear thinking derived from their military backgrounds. The Middle East is awash with players, all of whom have separate agendas, few of which coincide with actual American interests.

    Nuanced thinking, as opposed to linear thinking, is what the whole country needs, left and right!

  36. Che Guava says:

    As always, most of your analysis makes sense, Mr. Giraldi.

    Why aren’t you an advisor? Wish you were. The latest detailed reports from Syria horrify me, Kerry still desperately trying to protect the pet jihadis of Israel and its colonial posession, the USA, Erdogan ramping up the bullshit with a massive armoured colunn.

    Really, I wish the Russians would bang a few YPG and Syrian govt. heads together, get them to collaborate on a future state with autonomy for the Kurds, hand out as many anti-tank weapons as possible, and get the Turks out of there.

    That seems to be happening to an extent, without Russian help, also without the required weapons, but the YPG and elected Syrian govt. are natural allies in this situation.

    Straight out of the US playbook as the slave of Israel, NATO (US, Turkey, and the UK) made sure to cripple Syrian armour by handing out anti-armour weapons to their pet jihadis years ago now.

    After all, the Turks have no right to be there under international law. Neither do all of the Brit. and US mischief makers. Any casualties they take are richly deserved, although I would not wish it on any of the individuals. They should simply not be there!

    One small point for amusement, the imperial tail that wags the US and NATO dog from Israel seems to have been quiet as far as direct attacks on Syria for a while now.

    No doubt they are still patching up the odd injured Jihadi on their border, to send back to continue the mayhem, but I have not read of a direct attack by Israel lately.

    They are such macho jerks, just reading my words would propel them to do a new one.

    As for Trump’s appointments, you would know far better than I, but they seem really stupid.

    Excuse the tone and length, reports on the war and Trump’s apparent treachery to his electorate are really irritating.

  37. Avery says:
    @Sam Shama

    {On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours}

    (a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to – despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.

    {(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}

    None of US’s or anybody’s else’s business.
    Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
    So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually ‘imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry’ does not concern US, but Iran’s mythical ‘imposition’ does?

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Marcus
    , @Sam Shama
  38. Che Guava says:
    @Jason Liu

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world.

    I liked your statement, but would rephrase that half as
    ‘the faux international globalist, victimology step-ladder left is a greater threat to the modern world.’

    Hope that does not exceed your intentions, thought your original statement was a bit careless, but much liked the heart in it.

  39. Wally says:
    @Amasius

    Let’s hope so.

    The ‘get Iran’ talk has always been Trump’s weakest point.
    While Obama’s Iran policy was his best work.

    We should be doing business with Iran not isolating them and allowing others to take their huge market. Same with Russia.
    We’re shooting ourselves in the foot by not doing so.

  40. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most American presidents have known little about foreign policy and have had to rely on staff advisors to tell them where on the map a particular country is located. This is glaringly true for at least the last three: Clinton-went from governor of a small state with a population less than that of some larger cities;Bush2-one can see the unending disasters this village idiot imposed upon us;Obama-a nothing weakling who couldn’t say no to his own Secretary of State Clinton who proceeded to spread disaster and ruination. If a person knows little about something then it’s hard for them to differentiate between those who are competent and those who are charlatans that sound good. There’s an idea that someone who is smart could be a quick study and master all that needs to be known through on the job training, hence the floating of the name of Romney for SoS, a tone-deaf Gordon Gekko businessman.
    Iran is a country of eighty million with a much higher level of human development than Afghanistan. Not only is it no pushover it has the capability to fight back in many ways. It’s a regional power and there’s no putting the genie back in the bottle. Hopefully much of what’s been said was just rhetoric to placate certain segments of the population. Otherwise, a disastrous thirty year conflict sucking away resources and money could be in our future.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  41. Avery says:
    @Avery

    [Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad]

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

    {Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.}

  42. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    (A) is a concern, but that article you cited provided far less evidence for a non-compliant/belligerent Iran than it showed people like Sen. Cotton looking for any excuse to turn screws:
    “…reported on Wednesday that Iran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal again, exceeding a limit of 130 metric tons for heavy water…Iran reportedly told the agency it would begin preparations to ship 5 tons of the excess heavy water out of the country within the next few days.”

    That is a violation of around 3.5% – that is a rounding error not a belligerent move – unless someone can prove that a world of difference is made in nuclear weapons development between 130 vs 135 metric tons…*

    “‘It’s important to note that Iran made no effort to hide this, hide what it was doing from the IAEA’”

    Sounds more like they goofed and made immediate plans to make it right – maybe someone should get fired from his post for this, but certainly no reason for beating drums.

    (B) is a legitimate concern, but the Saudi’s naughty antics are far more destabilizing. The Iranis would only make a move in the Persian Gulf (it is the Persian Gulf) if Saudis or others make a move on them. So basically we, or our allies are the ones that will be creating the problem that does not currently exist.

    (3 or C) is not our concern – it is an internal Irani affair. I say this as a Sunni Muslim who has his eye on what happens to the Sunni minorities in the Eastern (and sometimes Western provinces) like the Balochis, Tajiks and Kurds, etc. It could be better, but it is not that bad at all; they are safe and don’t have much to worry about unless they agitate against the government or call for independence. Before concerning ourselves with Iran, it would be much better to put pressure on our own allies that have worse records regarding their citizens’ cultural and economic aspirations.

    Peace.

    *Note: The actual Reuters article had this to say (so actually Iran is willing to face a penalty in the removal of 5 tons from its store):
    “It had 130.1 tonnes of the material on Tuesday, the watchdog said.”
    “Iran also exceeded the heavy-water limit in February, with 130.9 tonnes.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN1342T1

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  43. Will Iran be the target of the Trump regime?

    Of course. Trump is heavily Israel-sympathetic. Remember, Trump has centered his very existence to date on the acquisition of material assets. Israel promises him, through his cronies and family, enormous additions to that pile of material assets. He’s like the proverbial kid in a candy store.

    The suppression/destruction (partition) of Iran allows Israel to expand its empire eastward, skirting (for now) its Saudi allies. Russia will insist solely upon retention of its Mediterranean ports on the Syrian coast, and will permit the abolition of Syria as a nation, or the partitioning of Syria into a Russian-controlled section and the “New Israel” section. With Turkey being dissed by the EU, I would guess that an all-overland Russian corridor through Syria, Turkey and Georgia might be in the offing.

  44. Art says:
    @jacques sheete

    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.

    True story – but we killed a million of them anyway.

    What is wrong with us?

    Judaism’s Zionist Zombies wanted us to take out Saddam and Iraq – another million people destroyed.

    Now the Zionist Zombies what us to take down Iran – same false claims – WMD nukes.

    Trump gave off the impression that he was not interested in more war. God help us if Trump caves to Judaism.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  45. Che Guava says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

    I saw an Aum Shinrikyo performance in central Tokyo once, after the subway gas attacks and just before they were made to change their name. They looked like a normal bunch of hippies doing interpretative dance, playing ambient music on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

  46. Marcus says:
    @Avery

    Yes, what benefit would having nuclear weapons give to Iran? They would never be able to match Israel in an arms race.

  47. Sam Shama says:
    @Avery

    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey’s treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets: their position simply outlines a desire to maximise short-term revenues from crude sales. Watch for the Saudi oil minister’s conference tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Art
  48. Exudd1 says:
    @jacques sheete

    Exactly! Excellent comment! Thanks.

  49. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Hey Talha,
    Yes as I mentioned, these were “soft limit” violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.

    The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran’s motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC’s guidelines.

    On (c) I’d say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @L.K
  50. turtle says:

    1. Hezbollah keeps Israeli army out of south Lebanon.
    2. Iran resupplies Hezbollah, probably through Syria.
    3. To defeat Hezbollah, interdict their supply lines.
    4. Once Syria has been destroyed, invent a pretext to attack Hezbollah, knowing they cannot be resupplied.
    5. Absent Hezbollah, Israeli army overruns whatever part of Lebanon they wish, thus pushing their northern border at least as far as the Litani, possibly further.
    6. Oil in the Golan Heights is icing on the cake.
    7. In a desert, it is all about the water.

  51. Thirdeye says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    WTC 7 shows just how stupid and undisciplined the 9/11 conspirators were. They had more demo charges than they needed for 1 and 2, so they brought down 7 just for jollies even though it blew the cover story that 1 and 2 were brought down by the jet fuel fires. Somebody needed to get fired for that one.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  52. “God help us if Trump caves into Judaism.”

    Art,

    As you are aware, Donald Trump’s past success is the result of his association with wealthy and powerful Zionists who facilitated his rise to business and political power. A prerequisite for all U.S. presidents, he has already “caved” to Judaism.

    As you know, the official demonizing of Iran intensified upon W. Bush’s naming Iran as part of the “Axis of Evil.” Shortly thereafter the CIA became very active in Iran and took the pulse of the nation. Hopes for a Teheran Spring and a new Shah installation apparently could not materialize. Thus it’s time to move to Plan B… Bibi.

    It appears all that’s needed to dethrone the Ayatollahs during the coming Trump administration, is either a tried and tested U.S. provocation in “our” Persian Gulf or a False Flag attack which is blamed on Iran. P. Giraldi writes for antiwar.co, and please look at the article below? (Personally, I believe Iran will just get nationwide Shock & Awe treatment so that messy U.S. occupations, like Iraq 2003-present, can be avoided)

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/11/28/iranian-boat-aimed-at-us-helicopter-but-didnt-shoot/

    As certified “Iranophobes” are on parade into Trump Tower, “interviewing” for key cabinet positions and Zionist tycoons are itching to establish Superpower enforced Greater Israel borders and “shoot the pop gun” for starting the Far East Pivot Parade, I fear that the best the Islamic Republic of Iran’s government can get is “an offer they can not refuse” from the underground Axis of Goodness, TrumPutiNyahu. The T.P.N. !

    • Replies: @Art
  53. turtle says:

    >brought down 7 just for jollies

    Unless the command post for the tower demolitions was in bldg. 7.
    Precise sequencing of many (how many?) radio controlled charges probably required sophisticated timing circuits not likely to be concealable in, let’s say, an automobile.

    Blow up the towers, then destroy the command post.
    Bldg 7 was smaller, probably not as complex an operation.

    Leaving a row of columns which were all diagonally cut at approximately 42″ above the ground, complete with cutting charge slag, was rather sloppy, though.

  54. @Mark Green

    1. We don’t need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves

    2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN! I know you really want a US attack on Iran because it will give you more material to complain about but it will never come to pass.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  55. @Sam Shama

    I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.

    It isn’t even that, it’s that Iran doesn’t even want nuclear weapons. It would create more problems for them then it would solve. Pakistan only went ahead with getting nukes because India had them by the balls. Iran’s situation is totally different.

  56. The Eastern powers have drawn a line in Syria from where they will not back up.
    Iran is allied to Russia and China; they will not allow the US to defeat Iran.
    This will be decided in Syria where the West is suffering a humiliating defeat.
    The West will break on the East.

  57. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey’s treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.

    Oh my – same-o same-o – the Jew divide and conquer agenda – Judaism is working to divide the Muslim ME into little defenseless enclaves. Pit the Kurds against all those countries – rip them all apart.

    Will the Little Jew say that – NEVER. The little Zionist Zombie does as his Big Jews say. (After a childhood of fear and hate induced by his family and culture – what can we expect but brainstem responses to all things political.)

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets

    Again – same-o same-o – This is the same argument made by the ZZ’ers about Iraq. The Iraq war was never about the Zionist Jew or Israeli agenda – Iraq was about those greedy oil men. It is lie after lie after lie with Judaism.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  58. Art says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Iran war?

    Who is in charge – Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?

    Hmm – does he want a second term?

    If he makes Romney Secretary of State – he is going to crap on his voters.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Chuck Orloski
  59. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    Fuck off you stupid nitwit.

    Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you’d finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!

    • Replies: @Art
    , @geokat62
  60. Marcus says:
    @Art

    Unfortunately a lot of the rank and file Republican voters are still strongly jingoistic, not just in the Mideast, but also the Russian “threat” in E Europe.

  61. Sean says:

    Trump will destroy Iran, and Israel will be freed to do what it should have done in 1967.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  62. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Really, you morons sound as if you’d finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!

    Oh’ how very Jewish – I write “Peace” an every comment – but really want war.

    Hmm – there must always be an attacking twist on reality – because the reality of Judaism is so dark. How sad. Judaism thrives on lies.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  63. alexander says:

    Dear Mr. Giraldi,

    The President-elect was the ONLY candidate for office, of either party, (including Bernie)
    who actually pointed out the humongous assault on our nations balance sheet that our policies of belligerent war making in the middle east, have unleashed.

    He was the ONLY one.

    Is there any upside to the American people to launch another Iraq fiasco, this time in Iran ,that might cost us TEN trillion (not six)…QUINTUPLE (not just quadruple) our cost of heating fuel and gasoline… and last another decade, if not longer ?

    I don’t think so.

    Unless Iran launches a full on assault on our shores, or that of our allies, I doubt there is any mandate at all , from ANY American citizen , to engage in another multi TRILLION dollar ….catastrophic war “debacle”.

    I just don’t see it.

  64. @Art

    Oh’ how very Jewish – I write “Peace” an every comment – but really want war.

    If you want peace than you should be happy that there is zero chance of the US launching an attack on Iran. But you don’t seem happy, you seem frustrated that it hasn’t happened yet despite you promising it for nearly 15 years now.

  65. @Chet Roman

    “The Occupation Of The American Mind: Israel’s Public Relations War In The United States”
    A film which has won high praise among all who are critical of Israel’s extraordinary domination of American political scene.

    http://mediaed.org/occupationmovie/praise.html

    This documentary film, which has been shown on the Swedish Educational TV, has irritated Israelis so much that the Israeli envoy in Sweden urges the Swedes to “protest screening of anti-Israel film by state TV”.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-envoy-urges-swedes-to-protest-state-funded-screening-of-anti-israel-film/

    One can only hope this documentary gets widespread screening; also in the US.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  66. @Art

    “Who’s in charge — Trump’s Jews or his voters?”

    Art,

    I don’t want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the “hands-off” realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.

    To a degree, I disagree with you that “his voters do not want an Iran.” Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin’ Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, “we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!”

    Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one’s going to “Make America Great Again” without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo.”

    Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney’s political life, he read Paul Kennedy’s book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a “crap”?

    Regarding your question , “does he (Trump) want a second term?” Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over “rogue nations” gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off “The Apprentice.”

    Also,you discussed Trump’s potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will “crap” upon his voters. As in all things, Art, “everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump’s supporter’s shall get “crapped” upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney’s ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole’s attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.

    Finally, today’s Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, “(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts.” Oh shit, Art, — how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business “conflicts of interest”???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump’s Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!

    Please read Peter Grant’s W.S.J. article below… at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, “a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University.” Professor Clark opined, “(I) don’t think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war.”

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387

    One must accept Jared Kushner’s Zionism will have zero effect on who’s side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art… I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, “the shit has hit the 1984 fan!”

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @Art
  67. I do not know how much the U.S. Executive Branch comedy can go on before the Zionist lowerarchy must do what the collapsing Roman Empire (under Constantine) did and moved east to Byzantium for continuation. ha-ha. Refer to announcement, below?

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steven-mnuchin-be-named-treasury-secretary-report-951207

  68. geokat62 says:
    @Greasy William

    1. We don’t need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves.

    The Israeli Air Force does not have the capability to destroy all of Iran’s nuclear facilities. Military officials and defence analysts have shown us that time and time again. Not even Israel’s generals think it could be done…

    Israel would need to use GBU-28 bunker-busting bombs to destroy Iran’s hardened nuclear facilities. It has these weapons but they are, by their very nature, huge. Israel has only one aircraft system, the F15i, which can carry a bunker buster, and only one at a time.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/middleeast/2013/11/97891.html

    2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!

    George Bush ordered the Pentagon to plan an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and considered a covert attack on Syria, the former president reveals in his memoirs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/08/george-bush-memoir-decision-points?0p19G=c

  69. The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term “Islamophobe”, but of course he’s right that we shouldn’t be looking for a war against Iran as the US gov seems to be doing.

    I wouldn’t want anyone in the fed gov who doesn’t fear Muslims and consider them a grave threat to our security, freedom, and way of life. I just want the gov to focus on deporting muslims from our countries and refusing them the right to settle here. I don’t want us going abroad to kill or terrorize or sanction them in their countries.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  70. @Miro23

    War against Iran would mean many body bags on TV and sky-high gas prices for a sustained period. In addition to harming American soldiers and families, that would doom Trump’s re-election campaign, most likely.

    Praying that Trump has the sense and decency not to let these warmongering pricks Flynn and Pompeo egg him into a needless, non-defensive slaughter.

  71. […] years. It is still strong. The latest evidence of this is that Trump has surrounded himself with several rabid anti-Iranites. Hostility, prejudice and discrimination against Iran has marked U.S. foreign policy. Congress […]

  72. @anonymous

    It wouldn’t take anywhere near thirty years to destroy Iran if we were really serious and brutal about it. But it would be disastrous for our economy, for world oil prices, and of course for the HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND of American soldiers who would be killed or seriously injured / maimed. Iran is no Iraq and it’s no joke.

  73. @Montefrío

    If even just Russia and Iran were to start conducting fossil-fuel and other business all in the Chinese yuan, the US dollar could take a hit from which it might not fully recover.

  74. KenH says:

    The U.S. National Intelligence Estimates (NIE) has consistently stated that Iran is not seeking to build a nuclear weapons program. When do hard facts finally win against pro-Israel/anti-Iran ideology, propaganda and Israeli meddling in U.S foreign policy via their too numerous to count agents throughout the establishment? Throw in some prominent, end times Christian fanatics who dutifully support anything Israel so desires.

    It’s time we get out of the Middle East and adopt a policy of strict neutrality with all nations, especially Iran, although we should assist Syria and Russia in their endeavor to destroy ISIS. If Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel don’t like that then too bad.

    I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  75. alexander says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Dear Mr Orloski,

    Are you a fraud ?

    I only ask because your contrived encounter in the Dunkin’ Donuts sounds like bullsh#t…

    It might not be….but why does some young person in a doughnut shop in Scranton want to “nuke Iran and turn the desert to glass” ?

    Why does he even give a sh#t about Iran ?

    And your answer is ?

    ( please…..no bullsh#t)

    Thank you

    • Replies: @RobinG
  76. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … you morons…

    Getting closer.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  77. @RadicalCenter

    The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term “Islamophobe”

    The war against Islamophobia is one of the few things the Left gets right. That and animal rights. I’m at a bit of a loss to think of anything else they are right about, however.

    There is no place for anti Islamic bullshit in civilized discourse.

    • Replies: @Talha
  78. @Mark Green

    “Iran is now at the very top of Israel’s ‘Injure and Weaken list.”

    Yes, Mr. Green, you are right. Zionists are aching to settle matters in “Greater Israel” territorial favor so that they can concentrate efforts & “pivot” eastward where the big consumer market is. No doubt, President Donald Trump will go in such direction.

    Have you read the Wall Street Journal article a couple weeks ago, which focused upon huge global investment plans in China ? The Goldman Sachs Group was reported to be involved in high level negotiations with the P.R.C. government. Goldman Sachs wants to engage investment opportunities minus the state regulatory need for having to team with Chinese firms.

    Get this? In today’s Wall Street Journal, and as notorious global wheeler & dealer Goldman Sachs wants free reign to operate in China, there’s an article detailing how Beijing wants to rate citizen/consumers on their daily behavior and to correspondingly “reward or punish” people. Refer to article below?

    https://lbfromlv.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/chinas-new-tool-for-social-control-a-credit-rating-for-everything-by-josh-chin-and-gillian-wong-nov-28-2016-1146-a-m-et/

    Incredible how clever are Vampire Squid business planners and population pre-conditioners! They want to dictate morality (& accountability) to China’s 1.4 billion “market,” and simultaneously, the Goldman Sachs Group can make people eat McDonalds scraps fallen off from the Rich Man’s annual P&L banquet table.

  79. RobinG says:
    @alexander

    Alexander, are you a fraud?

    You don’t have to go as far as Scranton to hear ‘Merkins spewing this crap.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  80. @Art

    I don’t know what’s wrong with us, but it sure appears that Humpty Trump will be no better than the Happy War Sow, aka the Charnel House Madam, would have been.

    Whatever’s wrong with us is apparently incurable.

  81. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    Hey Greasy!

    Where you been man? You definitely have the ability to surprise. I think the term ‘Islamophobia’ is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn’t hold water.

    Even as a Muslim, if I try to wear another person’s shoes, I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine – especially in this day and age when most religion is either in retreat, lost confidence in its normative narrative, or considered a hobby, or worse – irrelevant.

    There are also plenty of irrational reasons to have issues with Islamic doctrine – most of which is a result of building up a false straw man and complaining and whining about it. In this I would agree that “anti Islamic bullshit” should be filtered out so that everyone can clear the air about what are serious and rational concerns. Shutting down public discourse on the subject like the Left tries to do is counter-productive to the discussion.

    And I certainly hope and pray you are right about no US attack on Iran ever happening.

    Peace.

  82. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Not quite. [Iran] has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.

    And how many provisions of the NPT has Israel breached, Sam. Oh, I almost forgot, the answer is zero… that’s b/c Israel refuses to sign the NPT. Hey, no big deal… as iffen is so fond of saying “Do as I say, not as I do.”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  83. Come now, Goldman Sachs’s Steven Mnuchin as Treasury of the Secretary? There’s one born every minute.

    The Unitedstatesian electorate clearly gets what it deserves from both arms of the duopoly–to wit, a three ring illusion of choice and change while the same old circus rolls on.

    Mesmerized, mediatized, lobotomized suckers! Step right up, step right up!

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @jacques sheete
  84. utu says:

    Is there any populism left in Trump? Look at his nominations: retreads from Bush administration and retreaded economical ideas from Reagan. Mr. Trickle-down Paul Craig Roberts could have had a chance if he did not check out too soon for the UFO-land. Republicans at their worst. Steven Mnuchin? Romney? And all under auspices of Paul Ryan. Privatize everything!

    Steve Bannon, the only person in Trump entourage with original ideas will have to quit soon. They gave him an office, probably w/o a telephone, to keep some alt-righters pacified.

    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
  85. Art says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    To a degree, I disagree with you that “his voters do not want an Iran.” Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin’ Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, “we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!”

    Chuck Orloski,

    For sure that element is in every Republican vote – the people who switched to Trump are most likely NOT those hard asses. If Trump wants to get reelected he needs to appeal to those average middle class people who are part of the no-war voters.

    I for one feel that Mitt Romney’s ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole’s attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.

    I think you are right. Four years is an epic in our times. Thanks for the thorough reply.

    Peace — Art

  86. When, as reported by The Saker, the Russians in regard to Syria attacked the United States, specifically the Obama administration as “non-agreement-capable”, that is, incapable of making and keeping an agreement, they got to the heart of the matter.

    In fact the whole history of the United States is a long train of broken treaties and agreements, as standard policy.

    But structurally it is also a characteristic of United Statesian faux-democracy. One administration makes a treaty or an agreement and the next one breaks it.

    Trump is running true to form here as well, promising to negotiate new agreements with Iran and Cuba, while not following the ones already made.

    This casts doubt also on the supposed new “reset” of relations with the Russians, which is probably some real estate-like “deal” in Señor Trump’s delusional cabeza, that is, say, “Vladimir, old comrade, how about this–we will not interfere with you in Syria if you do not interfere with us in destabilizing and eventually attacking Iran. Talk to Señor Netanyahu–he’ll give to all the details.”

    Get ready for the White Nationalist corn field conclaves in sheets thick with swastikas, crosses, and mogen davids, jeje.

  87. Talha says:
    @E. A. Costa

    You…have…got…to…be…kidding…me…

    Wow – that is not a good sign – and that is an understatement.

    Peace.

  88. @utu

    Er, Bannon is a Zionist or haven’t poked into his background? He may lead the pack in putting mogen davids on the white nationalist sheets, just as Netanyahu also engineered the Zionization of fundmentalist Xians.

    Indeed, one sometimes wonders whether the absurd appearance of Israeli NAZI’s was not a part of the long term plan.

    But recall, the Neo-Con idol Leo Strauss thought that the only thing seriously wrong with the German NAZI’s was that they persecuted Jews. All the rest–no problem, jeje.

    No doubt Señor Netanyahu agrees, whatever he says in public.

    • Replies: @utu
  89. @War for Blair Mountain

    I’m pretty sure that 9/11 Truthers don’t feel hatred towards you at all, pity would be the most common and logical sentiment. Your posts here at unz.com really are pathetic.

  90. I think the term ‘Islamophobia’ is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn’t hold water.

    I think it’s a pretty good term that has been given a bad name due to the Left trying to equate it with racism, as you said. It’s unfortunate that the populist right in the west has been forced to use anti Islam stuff in order to take power but a drowning man grabs whatever he can. The sad thing is, unlike other immigrant groups, Muslims never asked the Left to take up the Islamic cause but the Left felt it was their place and now Muslims are being tarred by association.

    I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine

    I reject Biblical inerrancy. If I admitted as much publicly I would be kicked out of my community. Rationality and religious doctrine don’t always fit as seamlessly as we would like to believe.

    But honestly, as unbelievable as it sounds, I really think the number one problem people in the west have with Muslims is the way they dress. I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me. Actually, I still kinda feel that way. I don’t know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction. I feel stupid even writing this but I really think that’s what it is.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @jacques sheete
  91. @Thirdeye

    I believe WTC7 was the actual control centre for the 9/11 demolition charges and also where the evidence concerning billions of dollars in fraud was stored by the SEC, it was very conveniently destroyed.

  92. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    Hey Greasy,

    Muslims are being tarred by association

    Muslims are to blame too, we cozied up to the Left way too close. It is costing us in terms of people losing their faith since Left-liberalism is such a contrast to our traditional mores. Most people that leave Islam go the Left-liberal, atheist route.

    I don’t know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction.

    You make an excellent point; there are two issues here:
    1) Muslims cannot be cultural predators in the lands that they live in – it is absolutely vital for them to dress in the styles that are common to the local people – the ‘urf as much as their religion allows. If they come in wearing stuff that is the cultural norm for Bedouin Arabs, it will be rejected and seen as a foreign imposition. My teachers have emphasized to their students (especially women) to wear local (modest) styles and colors and avoid the niqab. If you go around the Muslim world, their is no mistaking a traditional Malay clothing from Senegalese, from Chechen from Punjabi, etc. – each are distinct. For God’s sake, they even have unique caps or ways of tying their turban!
    2) Westerners have forgotten their (relatively recent) past. I married a Swede so I am quite interested in Sweden and its history. In any of the history books that I have come across, Swedish women (especially in the rural areas) dressed modestly, and covered their hair – often with elaborate head dress. And this happened well into the late 1800′s and early 1900′s – and this phenomenon is not unique to Sweden by any means:

    https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=traditional%20swedish%20dress&rs=typed&term_meta%5B%5D=dress%7Ctyped

    Hopefully, some enterprising young Muslims will figure out a way to infuse the traditional embroidery, patterns, styles into modern, modest clothing so that it is a revival of those same local Western norms people left behind. Some have already started working on it:

    http://www.shukronline.com/womens-tunic.html

    Peace.

  93. RobinG says:

    PHIL GIRALDI FOR PRESIDENTIAL ADVISOR

    Author says Trump needs patriot Giraldi in CIA post.

    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2016/11/29/the-us-intelligence-community-and-president-elect-donald-trump-needs-philip-giraldi/

    “The underlying theme and thread of all these revelations by Phil Giraldi underscores one glaring bright truth – that Mr Giraldi has consistently, courageously, heroically, and patriotically always chosen to expose the truth and provide intelligence that serves the interests of the American People and the United States of America, rather than the corporate/bankster plutocratic deep state elite.”

    • Agree: geokat62, SolontoCroesus
  94. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Not likely. Russia will exterminate Israel if Trump attacks Iran.

  95. utu says:
    @E. A. Costa

    I disagree on Bannon. He has way too much Catholic teaching in him to go the way of Christian fundamentalist and their zionist obsessions. Besides his view on capitalism seem to be also sensible: Neither the crony capitalism of Paul Bryans of the Republican party nor libertarian Ayn Rand’s nonsense of quasi-educated Protestant youth. He will be sidelined. He is kept there to placate the populist electorate of Trump. The populist electorate will be placated with few miles of the useless wall and the sidetracked on bait and switch operation with islamophobia fest and some Middle East adventure on behalf of Nut&Yahoo.

  96. RobinG says:

    SYRIA: Gareth Porter’s detailed debunking of the [propaganda op] White Helmets’ account of the September 19 attack on a Syrian Red Crescent aid convoy –

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/how-syrian-white-helmets-played-western-media

  97. jag37777 says:
    @Jason Liu

    Fascists (useful idiots of the rich) are getting very vocal lately.

    The left is not your enemy.

    • Replies: @schmenz
  98. […] “Iranophobes on Parade”.  Trump’s stated position on Iran is nuts, and is completely out of sync with his usual consistent patriotic isolationism.  “The Iran Deal Is Doomed”.  “ISIS to carry out Dirty Bomb attack in near future?”. […]

  99. With imminent Trump presidency at hand and borrowing words from W.B. Yeats: “Things will start falling apart” much faster than at present. “The center cannot hold” and “mere anarchy” will be “loosed upon the world”. Iran will probably be the first victim of Trump’s anarchic world in the making, where the “ceremony of innocence will be drowned”.
    Not that things would likely have fared better for Iran with a US led by Hillary Clinton. The threats and dangers for Iran’s future would have been more predictable then than now in a Trump presidency.
    As pointed out in some comments here American conventional war waging against Iran can be ruled out. US conventional wars have produced dismal results in the last decade and half, and are very unlikely to be contemplated against a well-defended Iran. Nevertheless, “American Exceptionalism” requires restoration of respect and awe of US’ global military might. The question then arises: How about introducing and making acceptable the use of tactical nuclear weapons to destroy “the Iran threat”? And Trump would be the man to do it. In a world where the West is sliding into disorder who would really care?
    Can anybody here tell me what Iranians would, or could, do if their country’s military and industrial infrastructures were nuked by the US (or Israel)?

  100. hbm says:

    I’m all for staying out of the Middle East’s business, but it seems awful naive to me to believe Iran is anything but hostile towards the US, or that they aren’t interested in acquiring nuclear weapons.

    (Phil, didn’t I hear you say that an Iranian tried to kill you once?)

    I suspect Trump is more interested in the subservient position Obama has taken vis-a-vis the Iran deal. He’s old enough to remember the Iranian Revolution and Hostage Crisis– and our relationship since then, and it colors his opinions.

    Trump may also have insight into how ugly the Iran deal really is, particularly with respect to the massive payouts we’ve made and the circumstances provoking them. He may be using what he knows as a cudgel against his current administration enemies who also are aware of the true score.

    Iran-bashing also plays well to the AIPAC crowd, and Trump is clearly aware of that contingent’s power in Washington and in the media. Is Trump a hawk on Iran? Perhaps. But I think, at the very least, some of it is a show.

    At first Flynn sounded like a non-interventionist I could absolutely get behind, but as time has gone on he’s revealed himself to be more complicated, with his cheerleading that sounds suspiciously Neocon, his recently-revealed ties to the Turkish lobby and to Michael Ledeen. I actually wonder if Trump hasn’t cooled on Flynn a little bit. We haven’t seen much of him since the RNC.

  101. Max Payne says:

    Come on Trump, don’t fail me now! I need something to watch, I’ve been DYING for this war with Iran. Don’t pussy out on me like Obama!

  102. @Greasy William

    I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me.

    Thanks for pointing that out. It’s a sort of revelation to me because situations like that arouse curiosity, not fear. I don’t say that to claim some sappy moral superiority, but to point out the fact, (astonishing as it may seem to more enlightened folk), that heretofore I’ve been totally clueless that folks could feel threatened by something like that, and I’ve often reacted brashly towards them. Your pointing that out will hopefully cause me to approach potentially fearful ones in a more reasonable manner. It also somewhat explains for me a good reason to love the enemy; i.e., the poor dude may simply be afraid of something.

  103. Randal says:
    @Amasius

    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

    That’s the hope for the world. But Giraldi’s point here is that Trump’s appointments suggest otherwise.

    Then again, it’s probably too much to hope for sanity on both Russia and Iran in one US administration.

  104. Randal says:

    The two most glaringly obvious irrationalities in US elite thinking on foreign policy (if, for the sake of argument, one assumes US foreign policy should act in the interests of the American nation) are over Russia and Iran.

    It was probably always too much to realistically expect, even for a probably basically patriotic incomer such as Trump, that an administration could be formed from men who are rational on both those issues at once. The politics would be highly dangerous, and are there even enough sufficiently experienced men at the top levels of the US elite who are reasonably uncorrupted and competent on both issues to form such an administration at all?

    The best we can hope for from a Trump presidency, I suspect, is to at least draw back from the Clintonite unreason on Russia, with its implicit threat of world war, and from R2P stupidity, while he hopefully at least keeps somewhat of a lid on his staffers’ delusional aggression towards Iran, so far as he can achieve that.

  105. schmenz says:
    @jag37777

    I go along with the old French saying: “My son, beware of the Right. But, my son, beware of the Left.”

  106. moi says:
    @Amasius

    Son-in-law and Zionist Jared Kushner is going to call the shots regarding our ME policy.

    Also, Giraldi should stop using the term “Mullahs” when referring to Iran. It is insulting and inaccurate–you’d think Giraldi would know better. Would he refer to our government as a “whitey” government…?

  107. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’. After all, I’ve never spotted you chafing about “Big Jews, little jews “…etc

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @geokat62
  108. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    This isn’t about Israel. Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Randal
  109. Moe says:

    Trump is a clueless authoritarian.

    Pray that during the next 4-years he doesn’t use nuclear weapons, seize (or be handed) dictatorial powers to one degree or another, start some other non-nuclear war, or generally sink the economy.

  110. @Sam Shama

    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’.

    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
  111. @Sam Shama

    “… striking a factual, instead of an idealized stance on every nation is important.”

    As the one who you anointed as a “bacterial strain, ” I’ll second the above quotation in remembrance of “Operation Grapes of Wrath.”

    I’d bet that some modern Okies who have read Steinbeck’s classic “Grapes of Wrath” would turn quite pale had they learned facts about the evil perpetrated at Qana.

    Thank you, Sam the Sham! Unscrupulous people do not have virtues when they are fighting for an unscrupulous cause.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  112. Randal says:
    @Sam Shama

    This isn’t about Israel.

    How can any discussion about US relations with Iran, especially about any aspect of the US-led drive to isolate and destabilise Iran and the nuclear weapons pretext used for that purpose, not include Israel and yet hope to be relevant?

    Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.

    I agree with you on this, though it’s easier said than achieved in practice, imo.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  113. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    And I’ll second that sentiment in the spirit of Steinbeck’s novel, hoping bacterial strains migrate as far west, preferably the mid-Pacific ocean, leaving this country in the hands of those firmly on terra firma and not your imaginary planet of the apes.

    Btw, you are a fraud and I happen to know your old handle. When driving around in Scranton pay attention to the traffic; bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.

    Also, when not loafing about the Dunkin Donuts, read up on Hama as well.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  114. Sam Shama says:
    @Randal

    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best. In case you hadn’t noticed, the just completed OPEC meeting concluded successfully, and I might add successfully for all, notably for Iran, since an overall production cut has been achieved withing reasonable parameters with Iran receiving an increased quota, over their previous production levels.

    There is to be no war against Iran!! so I wish uninformed people would simply stop.

    [MORE]

    Member Country (kb/d)
    Reference Production level
    Adjustment
    Production level effective Jan17
    Algeria
    1,089
    –50
    1,039

    Angola
    1,751
    –87
    1,673

    Ecuador
    548
    –26
    522

    Gabon
    202
    –9
    193

    Indonesia**
    755

    IR Iran
    3,975
    90
    3,797

    Iraq
    4,561
    –210
    4,351

    Kuwait
    2,838
    –131
    2,707

    Libya
    450

    Nigeria
    1,452

    Qatar
    648
    –30
    618

    Saudi Arabia
    10,544
    –486
    10,058

    UAE
    3,013
    –139
    2,874

    Venezuela
    2,067
    –95
    1,972

    • LOL: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @geokat62
  115. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.

    There you go again, Sam… trying to take The Dumb Goy for a ride.

    Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.

    Here’s a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:

    But there’s a little doubt that forswearing military action against Tehran should ease the upward pressure on world oil prices… and thus offer at least some reprieve to the U.S. consumer at a time when record gasoline prices appear to be driving widespread popular dismay with the state of the U.S. economy.

    “[I]f this administration truly wanted to spare Americans further pain at the pump, there is one thing it could do that would have an immediate effect,” wrote Michael Klare, author of a new book, Rising Power, Shrinking Planet: The New Geopolitics of Energy, in this week’s Nation magazine. “[D]eclare that military force is not an acceptable option in the struggle with Iran.”

    http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=13074

    Ain’t the Internet a beautiful thing?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Avery
  116. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

    Blind worship of leadership; forced marriages and divorces of members, with numerous children separated from parents, etc. It is not “cult-like”. It is a cult.

  117. @Sam Shama

    “…bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.”

    Awful how bad public schools kids have it nowadays, eh Sam the Sham? In contrast to the idiotic statistic (above) which you customarily exaggerated, the minds of poor American kids actually suffer intellectual death at the hands of the U.S./ Zionist approved national history teaching curriculum.

    One thing you’re correct about though! I admit to “loafing” in between am/pm school bus runs, but I do not run away from the waitress’s “tip cups” like some of the curmudgeon ilk inhabiting Scranton “terra firma” Hill Section always do.

    Like Muhammad Ali once famously said, “ain’t no Vietnamese ever called me a nigga’,” now I can say that “ain’t no Hamas ever called me a fraud.”

    Thank you… pax in terra!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  118. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Sorry Geo,
    but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors.

    There were also numerous shocks to supply:

    1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there.

    2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports.

    3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields.

    4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production.

    5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife.

    6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field.

    7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @NoseytheDuke
  119. @KenH

    “I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.”

    So would I, sir, so would I!

    As one who voted for Trump, I’ll admit to being underwhelmed by his choice of Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor. And those cretins Romney and Guiliani are being considered for Secretary of State! . . .

  120. RobinG says:

    Thank you. Very much a cult, indeed.

    Many of these MEK separated, brainwashed children were, for years, virtual prisoners in Camp Ashraf in Iraq. Originally sheltered by Saddam, MEK orchestrated random assassinations, i.e. terrorism in Iran. For some years the US had them rightly designated as terrorist org., until they managed to slither off the list. They crept around DC, mewling the usual ‘persecuted freedom-fighter’ BS.

  121. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Although it would’ve been poetic in an ironic way, only a fraud would equate Hama to Hamas. Update your reading between the imaginary bus runs, and try not to kill the children.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  122. Sam Shama says:
    @Greasy William

    Haha. Should anti-Semitism carry a good name? But yes, I’d agree on balance that anti-Semitism’s necessary but not sufficient condition requires some significant level of stupidity. Watch the Trump plan unfold over the next four years and you’ll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites’ shrillness.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  123. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of…

    Excellent exposition of the d/s fundamentals, Sam. I would give you an A+. But what you have conveniently omitted from your little fundamentals analysis, Sam, is the critical role speculators play in setting the price in the crude oil futures market:

    “This is a huge risk position these money managers are putting on,” says Evans. Since futures contracts are purchased on margin, speculators typically put up something around 10 percent of the value of the total contract, depending on how leveraged they are. So while the notional dollar amount of outstanding contracts may not be incredibly large, the positions relative to the size of the crude oil market are. Evans worries that the price of oil now depends entirely on the situation in Iran. “There’s only one fundamental scenario we’re hinging on: We either lose Iranian supply or we don’t,” says Evans.

    This isn’t the first time speculators have poured into oil futures and pushed the price up. But the scale of what’s happening now dwarfs previous run-ups. For example, back in July 2007, a year before the price of oil peaked at $144 a barrel, money managers held a net long position of 160,000 WTI futures contracts on the NYMEX, says Evans. Today, that number is 272,000 contracts.

    Just as rising oil prices sparked angry congressional hearings about oil speculators in 2008, this week Democratic members of Congress lashed out at oil speculators, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission for failing to limit them.

    “This is so much bigger than what happened in ’07 and ’08,” says Tom Kloza, director of New Jersey-based research firm Oil Price Information Service. As long as the threat over Iran remains, the price will continue to rise. “Iran is dissuading the typical sellers out there who function as circuit breakers when markets get out of control to the upside,” says Kloza.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-07/have-oil-speculators-already-priced-in-war-with-iran

    But the situation got even worse for the speculators on Friday: as trading started in London, the market reacted to comments by the Israeli transport minister – and a former chief of the Israeli military – who said an attack on Iran was “unavoidable”. Then, as New York opened, Morgan Stanley, the investment bank, warned that prices could jump to $150 a barrel in two weeks.

    The Israeli threat plus the Morgan Stanley forecast triggered fresh buying of spot contracts – rather than long-term ones – in turn further undermining the short-sellers. By mid-afternoon in New York, traders say, they were forced to throw in the towel and cover their positions, sending oil prices rocketing more than $11 at one point.

    https://www.ft.com/content/e34d30e0-366c-11dd-8bb8-0000779fd2ac

    For that little omission, Sam, you get an F.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.

    As always, Sam, it appears that you are the one who is guilty of having a vivid imagination.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Sam Shama
  124. @Sam Shama

    “… you’ll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites shrillness.”

    Here is a fact, Sam the Sham: One day the US/Zionist Empire will fall, like all the rest did throughout recorded history.

    Someday, when the US/Zionist Empire is simply wiped out, maybe under the presidency of Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son, all Zionist Jews would in my opinion IMMEDIATELY transfer their loyalty to… uh, Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III.

    You should know better, Sam the Sham! Y0ur enthusiasm for what you flippantly label as moronic “antisemitism” makes you impervious to understand that the Islamic Republic of Iran government must be wiped out (by USrael) and thus remove a danger to Greater Israel’s eastern flank. No inconvenient fact(s) will get in the way of such Superpower “Asian Century” undertaking.

    Get on the ball! I don’t know how much more freshman-level Hasbara Fellowship comments (like yours) this thread can take. In meantime, pax in terra.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  125. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    After all, I’ve never spotted you chafing about “Big Jews, little jews “…etc

    Tell you what, Sam.. when I spot you chafing about disastrous actions – death of millions of innocent people, the creation of millions of refugees, and the redirecting of trillions of US taxpayer dollars – all due to The Lobby’s efforts to remake MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, that’s when you’ll spot me chafing about insensitive words.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  126. geokat62 says:
    @Greasy William

    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.

    How true. Just as Israel firsters give Israel a bad name.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  127. @Mark Green

    Iran is the kingpin [1] of regime change and for Trump-revenge for the jailing of our diplomats by the students in Tehran.

  128. @Jason Liu

    Trump will work cordially with your “left-leaning” governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue. Iran is a different kettle of fish but you can hardly call its government “left-leaning” or do you?

    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
  129. @geokat62

    It’s pretty ironic, isn’t it?

  130. @MEexpert

    If I am not mistaken, Prime Minister Netanyahu is against our government pulling out of the Iran agreement. If that is correct, how does that square with your analysis?

    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
  131. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I think you misunderstood my point: there is always a fear premium built into futures prices, in this instance due to Iran launch-testing missiles capable of reaching Tel-Aviv and the inevitable prospect of retaliation. However in 2008, Iran’s output did not fall during that period and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  132. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    In addition, this blog entry from Menzie Chin [an economist I endorse] provides a really thorough and balanced approach to the Spring 2008 oil spike:

    http://econbrowser.com/archives/2009/04/causes_of_the_o

    he concludes:

    But while the question of the possible contribution of speculators and the Fed is a very interesting one, it should not distract us from the broader fact: some degree of significant oil price appreciation during 2007-08 was an inevitable consequence of booming demand and stagnant production.

  133. @Miro23

    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic ” Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East”. I do not deny that it plays a role but it may not even be the most important one.
    The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
    It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work “Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
    There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China’s ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
    , @Miro23
  134. Sam Shama says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Hi Nosy,
    Trump’s team was eminently visible to voters the whole time, so I’m more than a little perplexed at the reaction from so many on this board and elsewhere about his picks. I happen to think that scrapping Dodd-Frank in its entirety is ill-advised but all other actions he has taken have been fine [Carrier e.g] .

    I think Steve Bannon is a great pick, as are Mnuchin, Haley, Flynn and Sessions for the job Trump promised voters. But of course, we have to wait and see what the first 100 days produce.

    I think he picks Romney over Giuliani as he needs Romney to mobilise the GoP apparatus to work with him. But Trump being Trump might end up surprising everyone with a pick like Bolton!

  135. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hahahaha…..

    “Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son”, “Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III”

    What are you babbling about Orloski? Now run along and read about the Hama

  136. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    You’ve got the gist of my little post inverted; I only meant that you don’t ever chafe with ‘Jew-this ‘or ‘Jew that’ in your writing, and therefore questioned where the identification with the ‘Art’s came from. Moreover, I don’t need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME. It would quickly get rather boring.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  137. Ivymike says:

    We the people couldn’t stomach the very high casualties from an actual invasion of Iran, but I’m afraid most Americans would find a long and destructive air campaign against Iran even more satisfying than left over turkey and gravy. The infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up. War with Iran seems the perfect way to accomplish that. Thinking has to change, we’re not going to war to capture Mid-East
    oil but to remove it from the market. Parents, count your children…

    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
  138. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    Robin, I think alexander got it right. Of course, none can be sure, but that encounter “in the Dunkin Donuts!” thrown in for that authentic flavour, yet achieving only good comedic release, ["oh boy!"] sounds like utter BS.

  139. @Dieter Heymann

    “Trump will work cordially with your “left-leaning” governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue”

    Like Cuba, jeje?

  140. @Dieter Heymann

    Ah yes–what Netanyahu has been reported to have recommended to Señor Trump is, stay in and renegotiate, then strangle gradually.

    Which the obedient Señor Trump will surely try his best to do. Heil, Bibi, etc.

  141. @Sam Shama

    Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.
    Hama not so much.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  142. @Ivymike

    “the infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up”

    They can build it but no one will come. Where are they going to get the oil? From the conquest of Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela?

    Fracking–minimum $80 per barrel to just beat breaking even.

    You know how much it costs for the oil and putting one barrel from well to ship in Kuwait?

    If what you say is true, the energy owners are as delusional as the rest. Did it ever occur to you what they are really after is the makings not of US oil dominance but a vast Finance Capitalist speculation scheme?

    Suckers.

  143. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.

    According to this ECB WORKING PAPER SERIES, NO 1371 / AUGUST 2011 report, entitled WHAT IS DRIVING OIL FUTURES PRICES? FUNDAMENTALS VERSUS SPECULATION, oil prices were driven by fundamentals. Trouble is, Sam, it is for the period 1992-2004. For the period we were discussing (2005-2011), however, speculation appears to have been the driver.

    A few relevant excerpts:

    Such relatively dramatic and unprecedented movements in oil prices have reignited interest into the question as to what drives oil prices. The recent academic and policy debate seems to put forward several possible factors however no consensus seems to arise as to the relative importance of these factors. In particular, there is no consensus as to the relative weight that should be attributed to speculation versus (i.e. supply and demand) fundamentals in driving oil prices.

    In this paper we analyse the relative importance of fundamental and speculation driven demand on oil futures price levels and volatility…

    In a next step in the paper, we empirically test the model by estimating a markov-switching model with time-varying transition probabilities. We estimate the model over the period January 1992 – April 2011. We find that for the earlier part of our sample (up to 2004) that fundamentals have been the key driving force behind oil price movements. Thereafter, trend chasing patterns [i.e., speculation] appear to be better in capturing the developments in oil futures markets.

    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecbwp1371.pdf?6cc825896854b9bbc6e10eaf06ef99e2

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  144. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    You’ve got the gist of my little post inverted;

    Just staying true to my Hellenic roots, Sam

    Moreover, I don’t need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME.

    You don’t need to preface all your posts, Sam… one will do. Given all the death and destruction, do you renounce the neocons’ project to remake the Middle East?

  145. geokat62 says:
    @Dieter Heymann

    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic ” Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East”.

    So, let’s see if I’ve got this straight. The ventriloquist David Frum whose voice appeared to come from George W Bush when he uttered the infamous phrase “States like [Iran, Iraq, NK... convenient substitute for Syria, not to make things too obvious for The Dumb Goy] and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world,” was more concerned about keeping shipping lanes open than he was about enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle? These wars in MENA were not PNAC inspired as stipulated in their A Clean Break blueprint? It had nothing to do with AIPAC’s influence to grease the skids for war by getting Congress to pass legislation like the Iraq Liberation Act? We should not believe our lying eyes and instead we should believe you that this is all about Mare Liberatum? Do I have that right? I ask because, as one of The Dumb Goy, my mind is only capable of comprehending “simplistic” explanations and needs help grasping the “more complex” ones.

  146. Miro23 says:
    @Dieter Heymann

    The WMD story and 9/11 required considerable effort on the part of Zionists within the US administration and it wasn’t aimed at promoting “Freedom of the Sea”.

  147. @Bill Jones

    “Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.”

    Of course, Sam the Sham wants the dumb goys to think otherwise.

    That’s why Israeli’s aerial slaughter at Qana remains a complete mystery to Americans and is a “crime against humanity” which easily descended into the Zionist operated “Memory Hole.”

    Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.

    Thank you… pax in terra.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  148. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    The last sentence tells it all: futures prices were subject to greater than usual speculative activity. Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals. I don’t think you’d find any serious oilman deviating from this law. Just check out the many pronouncements of the Saudi ministers over the decades.

    Anyway believe what you want but the basic things do not change, which is precisely why prices came crashing in after the spring peak in 2008 whereas the build up to 2008 was long and sustained.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  149. Sam Shama says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    As a further update, Mnuchin is thinking of very long maturity debt as a means to lock up funding:

    (Bloomberg) —
    Steven Mnuchin, President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for U.S. Treasury secretary, said he’ll explore issuing debt maturing in more than 30 years to cushion the effect of rising interest rates, signaling incoming officials may be open to ideas that the current administration has been unwilling to implement.

    “Interest rates are going to stay relatively low for the next couple of years,” Mnuchin said Wednesday in an interview on CNBC. Among other initiatives, “we’ll look at potentially extending the maturity of the debt, because eventually we are going to have higher interest rates, and that’s something that this country is going to need to deal with.”

    Asked if he would consider maturities as long as 50 years or 100 years, Mnuchin said: “We’ll take a look at everything.”

  150. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    [Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.]

    Your confused prepositions were somewhat difficult to negotiate in that sentence but I got the gist; indeed I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Dunkin Donuts Radicals easily enough.

    Eat an extra one today.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Anon
  151. TJM says:

    God I love this site, it is filled with truth tellers, who know dam well that behind most of America’s wars and troubles lie the Zionist Jew, period. It is also fun reading the comical “retorts from the hasbara trolls, who can’t actually argue based on the truth, but on lies and misdirection…Coincidentally quite similar to how the media and Zionist politicians argue, actually its not a coincidence at all, its collusion.

    US election:
    Jill Stein-Jew
    HR Clinton, Zionist filth to her core
    D. Trump, Zionist billionaire who made his money in NYC, need I say more…
    Ted Cruze-Zionist freak along with his wife
    Bernie Sanders-Jew (you have to love Sanders ROLE, he played the good guy, telling us all we wanted to hear, the pied piper, knowing he would not have to deliver on any of it.

    A population of less than 2% and yet our elections look like they running for PM of Israel. If you don’t see the reality of our subjugation than you are blind beyond measure.

    • Replies: @Talha
  152. Talha says:
    @TJM

    Hey TJM,

    We have to be a little realistic here. There is no doubt that Jews have a disproportionate share in the power structure (and many of them are hard-core Zionists) – only the blind would argue otherwise. There are about as many of them as there are Korean Americans in the US – now if Koreans were as ensconced in the corridors of power as Jews currently are, it would obviously reflect in our foreign policy stances toward Korea and our commitments to East Asia. Same thing with Muslims or really any other minority – so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. With that in mind, is it reasonable to discuss whether it is a good idea for any minority to aggregate this much power? I think so, depending on the nature and substance of the discourse.

    Also, you are letting some of the other non-Jewish players off the hook. These include, but are not limited to:
    1) Military/security Industrial Complex – they need conflict (doesn’t need to be in the ME – but it’s as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
    2) Messianic Evangelicals – Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) – they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
    3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) – like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
    4) The state/bureaucracy in general – “War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense.” Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
    Some long for the days of the Cold War.

    There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mark Green
    , @Sam Shama
  153. @Sam Shama

    “…The Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals.”

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    That’s a very cool name you’ve invented! Be sure to contact your local Hasbara unit and alert them to be on the “look out” for donuts being offered to stragglers in exchange for their vow to write t0 their Congressman and demand support for the families of 9/11 victims’ lawsuits.

    Seriously…, did you read in the Wall Street Journal where Dunkin’ Donuts is negotiating a huge deal to open franchises throughout China?

    Maybe President Trump will (strategically) appoint Chris Christie as U.S. Ambassador to the Peoples Republic of China so that its 1.4 billion (thin) consumer population can have a simulcast example of how well a corpulent Zionist can put down a dozen of non-kosher “Boston Cremes” in one sitting.

    Thank you… X-tra pax in terra!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  154. Mark Green says: • Website
    @Talha

    Well said, Talha. You are also a true gentleman. Thank you for your thoughts. I think we can agree that a case could be made that Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture. It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  155. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hahaa.

    I am glad you keep gorging on those doughnuts, it speaks well of your taste; after all the company was founded by Willaim Rosenberg and just so you know all baked goods are generally kosher as long as they do not come in contact with treifot [there is an inside joke, which you will never be able to guess]

    One last word fraudster, Dunkin Donuts has been in China since Jan 2015….lol

  156. Sam Shama says:
    @Mark Green

    [It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.]

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    • Replies: @iffen
  157. “Talha… you are also a true gentleman.”

    Mark, I admire how you recognize the virtue of one’s being a “gentleman.” This makes me a tad ashamed to be stooping to the level of mockery when it comes to my addressing Sam Shama’s extraordinarily shady comments.

    One matter? As you know, “uniquely powerful” Zionist advocates did much more than “contaminate nearly every aspect of American culture.”

    They succeeded in contaminating the unified INTERNATIONAL political & scientific culture that was tasked with prohibiting Israel from getting nuclear weapons. This might be “old hat” for you, Mark, but please consider the article, below?

    http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb547-Kennedy-Dimona-and-the-Nuclear-Proliferation-Problem-1961-1962/

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  158. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    [ so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. ]

    Hey Talha great comment.

    I don’t have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @jacques sheete
  159. Talha says:
    @Mark Green

    Most welcome Mark,

    Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture

    It does seem that many of those controlling the entertainment industry are Zionist-aligned or proponents. You get some great indie documentaries about the issue, but that’s about it.

    To be honest, I put a lot (and I mean the lion’s share) of blame on the actions of the Muslims of a couple of generations ago. The Ottomans were not perfect by any means, but there was a unity and they generally kept the peace in that region and combated imperial incursions from France, Britain, etc. The Arab revolts and the intra-Muslim fratricide that followed (at the suggestion and collusion of French, British, etc. with all their promises) that broke up those areas into easily controlled franken-states was the major event (I believe the only exception being the Libyans; the Senussis staying loyal to the end). That is what laid the conditions that allowed the formation of the Zionist state in the first place – they simply took advantage of the situation.

    Jews had always been allowed to migrate into the Levant under Muslim rule (often being kicked out of Europe) and a good portion of that land was legally owned by Jews – no reason that would have stopped suddenly after a near 14 century-long policy. The Ottomans (and Muslims in general) were only opposed to ceding them sovereignty. Why wouldn’t they be – they had spilled so much of their own blood wresting control of it from Byzantium and then the Latins and even Mongols over centuries.

    In hindsight, I cannot disagree with their prescience. The birth of the state of Israel (and all the events that followed) may yet turn out to be one of the worst disasters for the people of that area including the ancient Jewish communities that were scattered across the Middle East.

    Peace.

  160. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    No problem – I think we have to be honest – if you replaced every Jew in government with, say someone from Indian/Hindu descent, that would obviously shift our foreign policy and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how it would change.

    I think Jews have reached their position through aptitude and work and probably a little help from tribal nepotism (once a certain threshold is reached) – again, is this unique to Jews – I doubt it. I am a manager for an IT team so I am part of the hiring process – none of the people working under me are Muslim, but if I get an open position, I let people that I know hear about it – and many of my contacts are naturally Muslim. I wouldn’t hire an idiot Muslim on my team because I consider it a trust from my company on me to hire the best person for the job (if it’s a lesbian Thai, so be it) – but Muslims would have a slight advantage just by being the first to hear about it. Jews have been known to be hard workers and intelligent among the Muslims. The Sultan Beyazid II who sent the Ottoman navy to help transport Jews (expelled from Spain) into Ottoman lands publicly stated that King Ferdinand was a fool to rid himself of such a useful group of people.

    And I doubt the Moroccan royals would keep Jews as senior advisers simply for SJW signalling purposes:

    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amity

    Nothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.

    Peace.

  161. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Yes indeed, and every comment you make makes a mockery of some simple verifiable fact or another; in addition to dripping with jealousy.

  162. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Hey Talha,
    As usual, I’d expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Trouble in the ME – Israel being the epicentre – is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories.

    I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that – tough years ahead for all.

    P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay’s efforts are in the same great tradition

  163. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    You and your little stories, Talha, and your benign example of letting your friends know about a job opening! You say, “….probably a little help from tribal nepotism…” Ha! Afraid to go past the obvious?

    How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov’t. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it’s just tribe or compliant goyem.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  164. @Sam Shama

    There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Lol wut? 13% of the US population are blacks, a group that has repeatedly demonstrated inability to live with other groups everywhere they go. 15% of the US population are Hispanics, who hate white people and hate the United States itself. Then you have a whole bunch of smaller minority groups that also hate white people but at the same time don’t really care for blacks and latinos either.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  165. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    We all have our own little idiosyncratic tales, Robin; but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn’t have expected to possess.

    Live and learn I suppose.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  166. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    I honestly don’t know what the solution is, but it isn’t what is currently going on. I will readily admit – some of the statements I have heard from Palestinians scare the hell out of me and I honestly pray to God that those people never take control of that land. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said it far better than I can:

    It is a blessed area, genocide and bloodshed are to be avoided there even more than other areas by all sides. Muslims were constantly reversing the bans that would be put on Jews from residing in Jerusalem whether it was the Byzantines, the Latins, etc.
    “It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
    Israel’s Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective

    Even if it comes to war (which I pray it doesn’t), any attempt to reverse the policies of our predecessors (who were far more knowledgeable and pious than we are) and “rid the land of Jews” is utterly contemptible and should be denounced.

    What I can’t stand – more than anything else from the rabid Zionists – is that they know this history. And yet many of them fund the foundations and are part of stoking the fires against Muslims and Islam with seriously vile lies. The strategy is reprehensible and extremely short-sighted and will only raise the animosity.

    Peace.

  167. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Hey RobinG,

    I’m sure that has happened. I know of a friend who is a radiologist that also mentioned that the tribe took over key positions in his hospital and made it hostile for others – I don’t doubt that it happens in other places. And it likely happens more in government since government tends to be a magnet for narcissists and sociopaths – so obviously the Jews going into government are going to be the ones that tend to be the most Machiavellian. Many of the Muslims vying to get into government positions scare me as well*.

    There are some Jews that are absolute jerks while there are some Jews who are egalitarian, like the ones that hired me in previous positions and treated me quite well and quite fairly. I also know there were key Jewish doctors involved in founding and supporting an obviously Muslim-run charity clinic that I used to volunteer at in South Central (those are good friends of mine in that picture):

    http://www.ummaclinic.org/our-history/

    If I ask that people look past the idiot/extremist Muslims and distinguish the rest of us from them and ask them to look at Islamic doctrine objectively, then I have to return the favor to others – otherwise I am a hypocrite.
    “O you who believe, why do you say that which you do not do? Most odious in the sight of God is that you say that which you do not do.” 61:2-3

    I have no love for Zionism or the disproportionate hold it has on the levers of power or how it uses my tax money to destroy the lives of innocents, yet I do want what is ultimately best and most just for all the people of that region.

    Peace.

    *”Two men from my tribe and I entered upon the Prophet. One of the two men said to the Prophet, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Appoint me as a governor,’ and so did the second. The Prophet said, ‘We do not assign the authority of ruling to those who ask for it, nor to those who are keen to have it.’” – reported in Bukhari

  168. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Jewish takeover and administration – it’s Greasy – remember? ;)

  169. @Sam Shama

    Sam the Sham,

    Hollywood Jews also have a good relationship with Wall Street! Treasury nominee Steven Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs denizen, has made money by investing in the production of the blockbuster New World Order film, “An American Hero.”

    I am very upset with you though! You blew “Dunkin’ Donuts Radical” covert cover front. Oh hell. We infiltrated William Rosenberg’s donut-operation on S. Washington Street and posed as something more than (goy) moving company personnel! Our Fearless Leader got such a good idea from how the dancing Israelis set up their “Urban Moving Systems” front operation in Weehawken, New Jersey.

    (Note: Regrets to all that the identity of “Fearless Leader” must remain secret One hint though? He’s a former-Money Changer who fled from his high seat in the D.C. Temple which he once thought was actually American)

    Bah, thanks to you — Sam the Sham — now Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals must find another front. Too bad, and to my knowledge, Carrier does not have a local donut consumption subsidiary. .

  170. @Sam Shama

    Fine. What do you suggest?

    1. Complete destruction of the Hispanic ethnicity in the United States. Ban all immigration from Hispanic countries, ban all Hispanic media and ban bilingual education. Deport as many Hispanics as possible. Import more white people to reverse the demographic damage of the last 50 years.

    2. End all welfare to blacks except for free birth control. Get their numbers under 10% of the population. Jail or kill all of their leaders.

    3. End all other non white immigration

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  171. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.” 

    Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·

    How am I doing geo?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
  172. @Sam Shama

    but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn’t have expected to possess.

    Isn’t that exactly what Talha did — make unwarranted generalizations from particular instances — in comment 168, so fulsomely endorsed by those whose feathers it stroked but which is, imho, misguided, poorly argued and counterproductive.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  173. @Greasy William

    Good ideas, Greasy Williams.

    I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.

    A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.

    As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump’s project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.

  174. @SolontoCroesus

    You don’t need to get rid of American Jews, they are already getting rid of themselves. In 50 years there won’t be any left. No need to make any special effort.

    I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  175. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    No, he assuredly did not. He spoke of his own principles which even under those fastidious standards unavoidably leads to minor biases, something which is plausible for any group at all. Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  176. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    It’d be even better to extend them to the Italian mafia.

  177. @Greasy William

    I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.

    Not I, Greasy; YOU will have to find a new group to blame everything on, inasmuch as Hispanics and Blacks will be eliminated from the American landscape. Your recommendation that they be eradicated from the USA implies that you believe that they they are the groups responsible for the present mess the USA is experiencing.

    (Just as an afterthought, mind you — both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that “Jews are the new elites in USA.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
    Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.

    Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @Sam Shama
  178. @SolontoCroesus

    “Win-win.”

    SolontoCroesus,

    Our Dunkins’ Donuts Radicals (home study) Book-of-the-Month includes Orwell’s Collection of Essays and Letters. Tonight I am on the essay titled “Catastrophic Gradualism.” Following is what Orwell wrote:

    “The motives of those English intellectuals who support the Russian dictatorship are, I think, different from what they publicly admit, but it is logical to condone tyranny and massacre if one assumes that progress is inevitable.”

    I assume you recall when Hillary spoke to Wall Street for quite a significant fee, and how after being embarrassed by Trump, she admitted to the political necessity of having both a public and private view point?

    Catastrophic crime in American government begets more catastrophic crime. One Zionist/U.S. president’s crooked Treasury Department swamp is “drained” and is replaced by another. The “rigged” Wall Street Tower of Babel endlessly rises and falls, until — SPLAT — and the Forbidden City Tower of Babel opens for business.

    Such is “progress” for committed Zionists, and the only RETURN for average Americans is the non-regulated advisory to Carrier employees, “lift with your knees and not with your back!”

    LIES, LIES, and scoundrels keep running things. Alas, we’re in for quite an Apprentice f#@ucking, SolontoCroessus.

    I appreciate your keeping faith though… Thank you.

  179. @Sam Shama

    you just can’t resist the cheap shot, can you, Sam.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  180. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals.

    No argument there, Sam. So, I guess it comes down to this: what are crude oil trading volumes on the spot market vs the futures market?

    Care to hazard a guess?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  181. @SolontoCroesus

    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I’m not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.

    2nd of all, I didn’t advocate getting rid of blacks. I said that their numbers should be reduced to a more manageable level of ~8% of the population. We can’t give the black community the attention it needs when it’s numbers are so high.

    Thirdly, I advocated that Hispanics be assimilated into the white majority. Hispanic culture in America needs to be destroyed but the bulk of Hispanic Americans can be allowed to remain.

    Fourthly, unlike blacks and hispanics, American Jews are dying out. All I am advocating is that the government implement policies so that the same thing happens to blacks and latinos.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  182. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    I won’t state the obvious except to say that I need to brush up on my rusty jewish cryptology :-)

  183. @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    Very interesting! Let’s open up diplomatic relations?

    Do you happen to know what division of the “Italian mafia” Jacob Leon Rubinstein belonged to?

    Please let me know? Thank you.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  184. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    How am I doing geo?

    Not well.

    Here is Sam’s original query:

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    “A lobby is like a night flower: it thrives in the dark and dies in the sun.” – STEVEN ROSEN, former foreign policy director, AIPAC

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  185. @Talha

    Talha,

    My experience in USA is that Anglo-Protestants (and Catholics) deliberately erect barriers to nepotism in their corporations and professional firms.

    Furthermore, Anglo-Protestants and Catholics view humility and self-abnegation as virtues; perhaps that is true also of Islam (I have no knowledge on those attitudes in Islam).

    It is my belief that Jews do not view humility and self-abnegation as virtues, but that some Jewish leaders have played upon those characteristics in non-Jews to gain advantages for Jews. The constant claims of “antisemitism” or that “Jews are smarter” or “harder working” or “perpetual victims” can only work if the group against whom the charges are leveled accepts the charge as real and true and humbly apologizes for such alleged behavior, whether real or illusory; or feels guilty about such real or illusory or contrived behavior, to the extent that the group that makes the bogus claim is able to extort benefits and privileges far beyond any that are merited.

    “Intelligence” and “hard work” are relative: when non-Jews constantly concede to Jews superior intelligence and superior capacity for hard work, etc., due not to the lesser innate intelligence and industriousness of non-Jews but to the learned attitude of non-Jews to view humility and self-abnegation as a virtue, then non-Jews perpetuate a vicious cycle that will only end badly for both non-Jews and Jews. On the other hand, when non-Jews or, Zeus forbid, Black persons or Hispanics — or Italians — demonstrate their individual and collective intelligence, or demand recognition of their contributions to the success of a nation or a project, and thereby resist being demeaned, then the gloves come off and the Sam Shamas of the world spew the invective we have come to expect from them. So predictable.

    Protestant and Catholic religious leaders enforce these attitudes of humility and ethnic inferiority in non-Jews, and as Sam Shama gave evidence, so do Jews: Sam could not resist the inclination to insult Italians — could not pass up the opportunity to put an Italian in his place, which is, in Sam’s weltanschauung, one-down.

    That’s why I think your analysis in #167 is unfortunate and misguided: As Sam displayed in his response, he agrees with you — that lets his tribe off the hook: the culpability is with Muslims, or Arabs, or Palestinians, but not with Jews. I think it’s a cultural characteristic that should be understood and worked around, but not pandered to.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  186. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Who are Phil Weiss and Jane Eisner and why should we know or care what they say?

  187. @Sam Shama

    Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.

    “Solitary, specific” “unprofessional” only time it ever happened. Not an example of a broader phenomenon but a “solitary, specific, unprofessional” event.

    Stuart Levey did not pass along his job at Treasury to his former law partner, Daniel Cohen, when Levey left to take a position at HSBC?

    Goldman Sachs did not extend special favors to Marc Mezvinsky?

    Jane Harmon does not use her position as director of the Wilson Center to use taxpayer dollars to the (disproportionate) benefit of Jewish speakers and ideologues?

    Three more “solitary, specific” examples or more-or-less “unprofessional” behaviors that nevertheless gave to the Jewish collective benefits and advantages not enjoyed by the non-Jews who pay for them.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Sam Shama
  188. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Sorry you are right I should’ve resisted the urge; still, I think you’d cherish the utopia you mentioned at the end. Just give it a try

  189. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Geo, correctly defined that flower should be classified as nocturnal and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen’s statement – which you may have taken out of context. Or, did you decrypt his English? :-)

    • Replies: @geokat62
  190. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Futures volumes are in notional terms, which for all derivatives are typically multiples higher than the underlying index/commodity/stock. It’s basically the nature of any contract which allows for speculation. However, speculation will never change fundamentals. Nothing to see there Geo.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  191. @Greasy William

    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I’m not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.

    That is just a fact.

    No it’s not a fact.

    Name the Blacks or Hispanics who are bloating the defense budget, and embroiling USA in foreign wars, and making the decisions that have brought death and instability to millions in foreign countries.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who crafted the Affordable Care Act.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who struck down Glass-Steagal.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who devised the central banking system.
    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who run the Federal Reserve.


    Now, name the Jews who pick up your garbage in the back alley every week, and who plow the snow; who dig the ditches when the water main fails in freezing weather.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  192. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    A post speckled with nonsense. In my recent reply to Talha – if you read it – I marked jews, the extremists, with the same denouncement I’d reserve for any and all miscreants irrespective of their ethnicity or religion. You simply, and as usual, chose to ignore my stand.

    Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?

    P.S. Have you tried your hand at writing plays in soliloquy form; It strikes me that you are just the type that enjoys talking to himself. :-)

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  193. @SolontoCroesus

    In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people. Why? Because there were no hispanics and the blacks were kept under control.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  194. Avery says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Jane Harman is a vile anti-American, anti-Christian Turkophile Armenian Genocide denialist filth.

    She is also a possible traitor to US: she was wiretapped by FBI/NSA trying to obstruct justice in the case of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman — two former top AIPAC officials charged with espionage.

    Unfortunately and inexplicably charges against Rosen and Weissman, which was carefully built over 5 years, were dropped.
    Strange.

    The fact Harman was appointed director of (Woodrow) Wilson Center is a sick joke: Wilson was a champion of indigenous peoples of Asia Minor subjugated and nearly exterminated during WW1 by nomad Turk invaders from Uyguristan.

    ————–
    {Franklin, a former United States Department of Defense employee, pleaded guilty to several espionage-related charges and was sentenced in January 2006 to nearly 13 years of prison, which was later reduced to ten months house arrest. Franklin passed information to AIPAC policy director Steven Rosen and AIPAC senior Iran analyst Keith Weissman, who later were fired by AIPAC. They were later indicted for illegally conspiring to gather and disclose classified national security information to Israel.} (from Wiki)

  195. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Thomas J. Watson (1914–1956)
    Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
    T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
    Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
    John Opel (1981–1985)
    John F. Akers (1985–1993)
    Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
    Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
    Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)

    Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo’s of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @SolontoCroesus
  196. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    However, speculation will never change fundamentals.

    Speculation may not change fundamentals, but it sure does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.

    Plenty to see there, Sam.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  197. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen’s statement

    I don’t believe Mark’s assertion was that organized Jewry speaks cryptically, Sam. His assertion was that they act cryptically… like a night flower, operating furtively in the shadows.

  198. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    btw I am a huge fan of Ginny Rometty; she’d make a terrific POTUS

  199. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    All jews as you know, have North Italian but likely not Sicilian genes. However, many of us don’t favour Italian kitsch.

  200. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.]

    You realise you simply agreed with me. Point is, spot coomodity crude depends on the fundamentals, and as I said earlier futures, which are derivatives trade in multiple of notionals of the underlying.

    Enough for me. Calling it a night.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  201. Miro23 says:

    [ SolontoCroesus]

    Racial patronage is probably the most effective form of racism (in any society that will allow it).

    And A.H., the 20th century’s most prominent racist, gave a useful summary of how it works:

    “In the old Austria, nothing could be done without patronage. That’s partly explained by the fact that nine million Germans were in fact rulers, in virtue of an unwritten law, of fifty million non-Germans. This German ruling class took strict care that places should always be found for Germans. For them this was the only method of maintaining themselves in this privileged situation. The Balts of German origin behaved in the same way towards the Slav population.”
    Hitler’s Table Talk. Conversation Nº 109, 15th January 1942

    And an added kicker is the simultaneously proclamation of the need for societal “diversity” and “multiculturalism” which serves to breaks down unity among non-favored races.

    US Jews have heavily operate the system for years with prominent examples such as Elena Kagan (accelerated to the Supreme Court and once there, returning the favor), or Lawrence Summers, with parts of government such as the FED or Treasury becoming Jewish preserves, laughably badly constituted to defend the public against special interests.

    Most countries such as China, Japan or Israel don’t allow racial patronage (apart from their own), so they would never get a 2% minority of Anglo Christians dominating their financial sector, media and government and directing them to finance and fight England’s wars (although the British did manage this for a while with India, their richest Imperial possession).

  202. @Greasy William

    In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people.
    Why?

    Why?

    Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.

    • Replies: @utu
  203. @Sam Shama

    What’s your point?

    That non-Jews founded and continue to lead major American corporations that have contributed mightily to the advancement of US and world prosperity?

    Your Edwin Black has made a career out of smearing the names and reputations of such Americans and the corporations they formed, and using his slanders to extort large revenue streams to the Jewish community.
    Jewish Virtual Library published this bit of Black’s attack on IBM
    (caution: Black’s name should have been purple):

    Mankind barely noticed when the concept of massively organized information quietly emerged to become a means of social control, a weapon of war, and a roadmap for group destruction. The unique igniting event was the most fateful day of the last century, January 30, 1933, the day Adolf Hitler came to power. Hitler and his hatred of the Jews was the ironic driving force behind this intellectual turning point. But his quest was greatly enhanced and energized by the ingenuity and craving for profit of a single American company and its legendary, autocratic chairman. That company was International Business Machines, and its chairman was Thomas J. Watson.

    Der Führer’s obsession with Jewish destruction was hardly original. There had been czars and tyrants before him. But for the first time in history, an anti-Semite had automation on his side. Hitler didn’t do it alone. He had help.

    In the upside-down world of the Holocaust, dignified professionals were Hitler’s advance troops. Police officials disregarded their duty in favor of protecting villains and persecuting victims. Lawyers perverted concepts of justice to create anti-Jewish laws. Doctors defiled the art of medicine to perpetrate ghastly experiments and even choose who was healthy enough to be worked to death-and who could be cost-effectively sent to the gas chamber. Scientists and engineers debased their higher calling to devise the instruments and rationales of destruction. And statisticians used their little known but powerful discipline to identify the victims, project and rationalize the benefits of their destruction, organize their persecution, and even audit the efficiency of genocide. Enter IBM and its overseas subsidiaries.

    Solipsistic and dazzled by its own swirling universe of technical possibilities, IBM was self-gripped by a special amoral corporate mantra: if it can be done, it should be done. To the blind technocrat, the means were more important than the ends. The destruction of the Jewish people became even less important because the invigorating nature of IBM’s technical achievement was only heightened by the fantastical profits to be made at a time when bread lines stretched across the world.
    So how did it work?

    When Hitler came to power, a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany’s 600,000 Jews. To Nazis, Jews were not just those who practiced Judaism, but those of Jewish blood, regardless of their assimilation, intermarriage, religious activity, or even conversion to Christianity.

    Consider this single, solitary statement of Black’s:

    a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany’s 600,000 Jews.“”

    In another of Black’s turgid publications he quotes from Rabbi Stephen Wise’s autobiography, that within 2 weeks of Hitler’s appointment as chancellor, Louis Brandeis directed that
    “all . . . 587,000 Jews must leave Germany.”

    And in his book on Nazism and zionism, Francis Nicosia details how zionists interacted with the Third Reich to assist German Jews to comply with Brandeis’s directive. According to Nicosia:

    “. . .in 1936, British authorities had imposed stricter limits on Jewish immigration into Palestine. This posed a problem for the SD as it sought to step up the movement of Jews from Central Europe to Palestine in 1938 and 1939. In 1937, a group of . . .Haganah officials in Palestine created the Mossad le aliyah Bet (Committee for Illegal Immigration); . . .they operated in conjunction with Nazi authorities in the Greater German Reich.

    Mossad agents were assigned to Berlin and Vienna in 1938 . . . coordinating transports from Greater Germany . . . selecting Jews willing to leave via the illegal route, and generally cooperating with Nazi authorities . . . A former Mossad agent in Vienna .later characterized the attitude of German police authorities in Vienna as follows:

    In pre-war Germany, these operations were neither illegal nor secret. The Gestapo office directly across the street from our own knew exactly where we were and what we were doing. The illegality began only at the shores of Palestine with the British blockade.

    Slam dunk: Black is lying when he writes that “A central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany’s 600,000 Jews.”
    What else has Edwin Black (and his cohort of holocaust profiteers) lied about?

    If you want to demonstrate, convincingly, your willingness to “denounce extremist miscreants of whatever ethnicity or religion, including Jews,” no better start could be made than to deploy the full power of Jewish media to debunk the holocaust narrative and recant the many vicious lies that Jewish authors such as Edwin Black (and David Engel, whose bizarre theories conflict with Black’s but nevertheless are mainstream — Engel’s holocaust nonsense was the basis of the holocaust museum’s reaction to Richard Spencer’s conference) and the Jewish Virtual Library have published about Germany and the Third Reich.

    I’d bet my best soliloquy you won’t do it.

    PS re “Your Jesus . . .” — I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  204. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Donkin Donut Radicals easy enough.

    It would have been very helpful if you identify the We who will dispatch American Radicals Easy enough when the time comes.

    Since you haven’t revealed the counter revolutionarys, I suspect the WE are members of the fifth column dual Israeli citizens in America. I suspect the WE are members of the international Zionist criminal terrorist network who were behind the King David Holtel false flag terrorist attack, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Iraq war and the 911 terrorist attack on Americans.

    See attached ..Israel did 911

    Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.

    When the next nationalistic revolution comes, the Protocol’s defense plan might not be able to pull the Chosen Internationalist’s chestnuts out of the fire.

    Why? The corrupt Globalist’s so called democracies are marching towards nationalism.

    Dunkin Donuts radicals are springing up all over the world. Nationalism is going global.

    In the mean time, give me a bagel with a smear….. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  205. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    You realise you simply agreed with me.

    Sam, let’s go back to what you initially wrote that sparked this exchange in the first place:

    “In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”

    If by the word “market” you meant only the physical component of the crude oil market, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

    Given this clarification and given the trading volumes associated with each of these components (physical and financial) of the crude oil market, would you agree that this reformulated statement:

    “In the context of Iran and the trillion dollar financial market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”

    is false?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  206. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn’t questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark’s use of the word contaminate.

    See how easy it is.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam’s a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn’t be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can’t be the explanation.

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he’s sworn in.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
    , @geokat62
  207. @Sam Shama

    A post speckled with nonsense.
    . . .
    Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?

    Padre Paul Gottfried

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYpapo4Q3CU

    He said it much more articulately than I did; is what Gottfried said “nonsense?”

  208. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    What’s your point?

    The very same as your own. Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society; and they don’t require your, nor any other self-appointed door-keeper’s approval to engage in the industry of their choice. So save your breath. Or not. Yours is a view which find’s little purchase in this country.

    I’d bet my best soliloquy you won’t do it.

    PS re “Your Jesus . . .” — I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.

    Yes, I am not in the mood for your bait, but not for the reasons you imagine. Another time [I am reading up on German armaments build-up history during the inter-war period]

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  209. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Hi Iffen,
    Actually, Geokat hasn’t found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green’s mind. Even if he had:

    cryptic != nocturnal

    • Replies: @geokat62
  210. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    futures = f[spot]

    not the other way round and Iran’s actual output did not decline but in fact rose and the speculative futures bubble when it met the global spot production fell precipitously after the spring.

    Speculators speculate for all sorts of reasons, including the prospect of war. As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road……all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  211. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    [Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.]

    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: the year is 2016.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  212. @Sam Shama

    Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society;

    re the bolded statement: I don’t think that tells the whole story; Yuri Slezkine fills in some of the gaps in your version; Slezkine suggests that Jews, as outsiders, gain advantages in the larger societies by trickery and treachery.

    If merely “work, aptitude and qualifications” were the main forces that Jews brought to a given society, and if, as Jerry Muller claims in his books and lectures on how Jews invented capitalism and thrive in the capitalist system, then how does one explain that in the age of industrialization and capitalism in which Germany excelled and prospered, Poland, which was home to the largest contingent of Jews in the world, was a social and economic failure, to the point that Polish Jews fled to Germany to take advantage of the opportunities offered by German industrialization, universities, and prosperity?

    Why didn’t “Jewish work, aptitude and qualifications” create the same level of social and economic development in Poland as the German people did in Germany? There were far more Jews in Poland, for almost as long a period as Jews in Germany, and from the very beginning of their sojourn in Poland, Jews in Poland enjoyed dominant positions in the professions, finance, and access to the governing authorities.
    Yet, as Prof. Robert Weiner argues in his lectures on “The Long 19th Century,” Poland was unprepared to participate in the industrial and democratizing revolutions emerging in Britain and Germany.

    The inavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state, developed by non-Jews, as to “Jewish work, aptitude, and qualifications.”

    In Muller’s lectures he explains that “Jews see or create opportunities to engage in entrepreneurial activities, and Jews have the ability to recognize when an enterprise (or state) is failing, whereupon Jews abandon the enterprise, cut their losses and move on to greener pastures.”

    In other words, unlike Iranians or Germans, for example, the extended commitment of Jews is not to the land, or to the people and culture, but to the opportunity to take advantage of pre-existing institutions and resources to develop economic/financial benefits for the Jewish community, sometimes to the detriment of, or by exploiting, the native people and culture. When the natives resist Jewish exploitation of their institutions, Jews punish them economically or by extreme violence. When opportunities dry up or a given host country is played out, Jews leave for more fruitful arenas. Jews left Germany in Exodus-style: they stole treasure, destroyed leadership, destroyed the heritage, and destroyed the next generation of the German people. Jews maintain tight control over the cognitive map of the German people through psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda.

    Why shouldn’t the American people be concerned that a similar behavior will be carried out against them and their culture and economy, and isn’t it the obligation of the government of the American people to defend against such threats to their long-term viability?

    • Replies: @utu
  213. @Sam Shama

    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: the year is 2016.

    And yet by dint of hard work, organizational effort, and persistence, the NSDAP did come to power, and did move the German people from a demoralized and impoverished state of mass unemployment and political and economic chaos to one of social stability and full employment, without resort to violence.

    FDR was not about to achieve the same goals short of war.

    The mystery is why Jewish leaders felt that German prosperity and stability were a threat to them, to the point that from the very earliest days of the Hitler revolution , Jews set out to undermine the success of the German political and economic recovery.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  214. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C,

    No doubt Anglo culture is quite unique in the world. Barring nepotism is best for all involved including those who bar it, otherwise your uncle convinces you to hire your idiot cousin who takes your firm down the toilet.

    Humility and self-abnegation are indeed Islamic virtues as is muhasaba (self-reflection/taking oneself to account – more on this later). I don’t know enough about Jewish practice to know if your opinion is correct about them not having it.

    I am a Muslim having studied our history – my biases on this subject stem from that background. Muslims have an extensive history with Jews in their midst in three continents. This includes everything from Jewish communities in Spain, Persia, Morocco, Egypt, Levant, Yemen, India, Transoxiana, Southern Europe, Anatolia, etc. So you are right that it is difficult to generalize them as ‘hard working’ or ‘intelligent’ all the time. Depending on the time and region, one could find; Jews teaching sciences/medicine to Muslims (or learning from them), cornering the trade in supplying slaves, lending money to them (or being lent to), serving as government advisers, and even simply biding their time in squalor in isolated ghettoes without much going on.

    This is one of the best reads on the difference of experience between Ashkenazi Jews and the Jews of the Muslim world:
    “Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled….During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded.”

    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

    “Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
    ‘In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological…It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.’”
    Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages

    Some may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
    “King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them…In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear.”

    http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-p

    I think the problem is that Israel – is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook – it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.

    Muslims don’t have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity – a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top – he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn’t work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.

    I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn’t have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip.

    And I don’t think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic – now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that’s a different story.

    As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
    “And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere.” 8:45

    “O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?” 4:144

    This is where muhasaba comes in – one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @iffen
  215. “Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: The year is 2016.”

    Sham the Sham:

    Yes — the year is 2016, and to date, neither the Mainstream Media nor U.S. public school teachers are allowed to tell the truth about 9-11 and how snookered Americans are presently governed by a very tight knit and wealthy gang of Jewish Zionists who also proceeded to become mass murderers, much worse than even Abu Nidal, O.B.L., K.S.M., could ever imagine.

    Such dirty truths will only appear in relatively banned books, for example, “Solving 9-11″ by Christopher Bollyn which is (to date) probably more despised by Zionists than The Protocols of Zion.

    Good thing the internet is around though, because there, web site operators & commenters do not have to salute the official 9-11 lies. In fact, for the time being, even simple “beer hall radicals” present at American Legions and V.F.W. Posts can stomp it, they can expose the lies, in time, they can tear it’s cancerous lungs out. Sooner the better, eh Sam the Sham?

    In December 2016, in other words NOW, the standard high school history textbooks will not inform students that 1960s America was ruled and effectively demoralized and dumbed-down by a gang of political thugs who also happened to be mass murderers of what Springsteen called, “The Yellow Man.” (From “Born in the U.S.A.”)

    For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics, American public school history teachers still can not say that L.B.J. along with his band of “Best & Brightest” and honored West Point names like Westmoreland, Taylor, & Abrams were complicit in mass murder.

    Shameful, eh Sam the Sham? Now Americans are trained to celebrate the Desert Storm turkey shoot of General Schwarzkopf, the ludicrous success of General Petraeus’s “Surge.”
    Lionize the “American Sniper” and teach jobless “Call of Duty” kids to be like Chris Kyle!

    There’s this old saying I happen to like, “from small things do big things come!” Another oldie-but-goodie is, “The Nazarene became the Sanhedrin’s first anti-semite.” Maybe you’re aware how Jesus preached about faith & truth & how the process starts from a tiny “mustard seed” and develops into something (non-materially) large and beautiful?

    So you know, Sam the Sham, our local chapter of “Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals” throws a free Christmas party every year! This year the venue will be Burger King who serves grilled hot dogs. For our “mustard seed” (sacramental) remembrance, all members will put extra mustard on each of their hot dogs! Doubtless such is a small but “serious operation.”

    Post scriptum: T0 “Anon”:

    Keep the putsch faith, “Anon.” I do not know where you domicile, but by chance, are you interested in joining The Dunkin Donuts Radicals? We might have a chapter where you live! Let me know and I can “copy & paste” D.D.R.’s application on this Unz review thread. Fulfillment of our membership criteria is not all that difficult.

    Typically, a prospective Dunkin’ Donuts Radical member must have (to his/her documented credit) submitted at least one (1) angry letter-to-editor of a major Zionist it newspaper, for example, The New York Times. Having a letter published at one of those sheep f&*ucking outfits automatically promotes one as a D.D.R. “1%er;” a prestigious designation similar to that used by the Hell’s Angel’s.

    If you can document at minimum ten (10) piercing posts at a web site considered a bacterial promoter of anti-semitism, you’re in! Beyond that, Anon, we must talk more about this and please understand D.D.R. has a reputation to protect, and there’s not much more I can do for you. Good luck and thanks for tuning in!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  216. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place

    Trump never campaigned as anything other than as an ally and friend of Israel. He pledged to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What revolution?

    The unscrupulous will always take advantage

    Who is unscrupulous?

    • Replies: @Talha
  217. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    You haven’t the slightest notion how to go about doing economic research. Had you possessed that training you would’ve been disabused of all the claptrap which swirl in your head. Go look up per capita income data from Angus Maddison’s meticulous work [I have not the time nor the inclination to aid you]. Data for Poland [a country established in 1025] goes back to 1849, but the colonial powers go all the way back.

    If you follow the unmistakable clues provided by that data, it’ll be apparent that greater the colonial assets of a European nation under analysis, the higher was its per capita income. Industrialisation does not merely appear out of thin air.

    Poland over the inter-war period was a nation essentially starting from scratch after gaining independence from Russia, it’s economic struggles were daunting. It was new, with little infrastructure, and devastated by WWI. It then had to fight in the Polish-Soviet War to ensure independence and territorial integrity, all compounded by the global depression. Although Poland made some economic headway before the Nazi German invasion, it largely suffered economically.

    Your transparent BS to start with a nauseatingly repeated, pre-formed conclusion, seeks only to find odd narratives which ill-fit even so.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  218. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I was being more rhetorical than anything; even the knight of the White ethnic resurgence (as was being talked about by many on this and other forums) is tied to Zionist policies – not that Clinton would have been different.

    Unscrupulous are legion; in mentioning the specifics of the founding of Israel…well the Zionists, their colonial backers, various Gulf monarchies, etc. Of course, in their defense, the Ottoman sultan had been deposed to figurehead role at the time and the ‘Three Pashas” were busy turning the entire enterprise into a secular nation-state which the traditional Muslims of those lands did not like…as far as they were concerned, the Turks only had legitimacy of control through the institution of the Caliphate and upholding the Shariah…without that, they were simply Turks with guns…

    Sigh…it gets complicated…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

    Peace.

  219. iffen says:

    Sigh…it gets complicated…

    I am unsure of how one separates the unscrupulous from the scrupulous when using military force to effect the establishment of political states. Was there the same amount of unscrupulousness involved in the drawing of lines for Syria, Iraq and Lebanon as there was for Israel?

    • Replies: @Talha
  220. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Like I said – it gets complicated – other than a few states, I can’t think of one that wasn’t established via military power. This may not have mattered in pre-modern times however Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2. Now some can say, well who cares, they won it with grit and steel – fine, let’s see how long they can keep it. Long term (really long term), I think the enterprise will get absorbed into the Muslim world again (the how is what I can’t figure out; war, collapsing birth rates, Jewish emigration to other countries, merging into a new ME economic bloc like the EU, etc.). The Latin kingdoms held out for much longer.

    Again, don’t blame Zionists much – if a billion and a half Muslims can’t get their act together – well, we can’t sit and whine about it can we? I guess we can, but will that change anything? The Prophet (pbuh) told us to be self-reflective in our situations*.

    I can’t help looking at things through the metaphysical lense, that’s how my teachers taught me to read the world. Again, Shaykh Hamza explains it far better than I can:

    Peace.

    *Note how he never states any moral judgement about the other nations in the following hadith – they are simply background actors – the crux of the matter is the problem within the Muslims themselves and their relationship to God:
    “The Prophet (pbuh) said: ‘The nations will soon summon one another to attack you as diners inviting others to share their dish.’ Someone asked: ‘Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?’ He replied: ‘No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and God will take awe of you away from the hearts of your enemies and cast wahn into your hearts.’ Someone asked: ‘What is wahn, Messenger of God (pbuh)?’ He replied: ‘Love of the world and dislike of death.’” – Reported in Abu Dawud

    • Replies: @iffen
  221. thegiza says:
    @Yevardian

    Only entity will be doomed is “israel” along with those who supports it and created it, it’s only a matter of time.

  222. @Sam Shama

    Do all the chicks tell you how cute you are when you’re angry?

    Stupid, but cute.

    iirc the industrial revolution began in the late 18th century.
    Eric Hobsbaum formulated the theory that the dual revolutions — French, in 1789 and following, and the industrial revolution of the same era, were the two most significant events in world history since the domestication of agriculture.

    As you say, Poland missed out and was still playing catch-up over a century later. It’s likely that Poland’s backwardness was among the causal factors, rather than an outcome, of both world wars.

    but by all means continue to dazzle us with your PhD level economic analysis, even if you did apply it to the wrong century.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  223. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn’t questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic.

    Oh, excuse me iffen for I’m just a Dumb Goy. So Sam was just interested in how Mark knew Jews were cryptic, not whether they were, in fact, cryptic.

    The ironic thing is is that my response answered this question as well – i.e., Mark knew that Jews were cryptic because Steve Rosen disclosed this information when he admitted that a lobby is like a night flower. All Mark and I had to do was an Internet search… and this mystery was solved.

    See how easy it is?

  224. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    cryptic != nocturnal

    While these terms may not be equal, they are related:

    cryptic = early 17th century: from late Latin crypticus, from Greek kruptikos, from kruptos ‘hidden.’ .

    nocturnal = from Latin nocturnus “belonging to the night,” from nox (genitive noctis) “night,” cognate with Old English neaht (see night) + -urnus, suffix forming adjectives of time. Nox cognates include Ancient Greek νύξ ‎(núx), Sanskrit नक्ति ‎(nákti), Old English niht (English night) and Proto-Slavic *noťь.

    Cryptic means something that is hidden… and it is usually easy to hide things in the dark (nocturnal).

    Geokat hasn’t found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green’s mind.

    See my response to iffen (#233 or later) for the relevant thing I found. And I didn’t need to be a mind reader to do it.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  225. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road……all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.

    It appears we’ve come full-circle, Sam:

    George Bush ordered the Pentagon to plan an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and considered a covert attack on Syria, the former president reveals in his memoirs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/08/george-bush-memoir-decision-points?0p19G=c

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Sam Shama
  226. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he’s sworn in.

    For a supposed 7th generation anchor baby you sure do care about the status of a foreign city a whole lot… are you sure you’re not a closet Christian Zionist or something?

  227. iffen says:

    are you sure you’re not a closet Christian Zionist or something?

    I used to be an out of the closet Evangelical Zionist. Most of my peeps still are. I am loyal to my people if nothing else.

  228. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    And I didn’t need to be a mind reader to do it.

    I don’t read minds either; I just read the words that are used. They can usually tell you everything you need to know.

    • Agree: geokat62
  229. @Sam Shama

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work.

    Not so fast; I doubt it’s that simple. I’d say that at a minimum it reflects cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism and probably a bit of sadism as well.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  230. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2

    Israel is just as much a product of the lines drawn after WWII as any of the numerous other ones.

    • Replies: @Talha
  231. Trump isn’t going to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Even if he wanted to, and he doesn’t, it’s just something he said without thinking, Bibi would never allow it.

    For as obsessed as you guys are with Israel, you sure don’t understand it’s internal politics.

    • Replies: @iffen
  232. @Chuck Orloski

    For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics

    Speaking of Bollyn and General Dynamics, Bollyn has some good pieces about the very interesting history of General Dynamics.

    I hope these links still work.

    Articles by Christopher Bollyn about the Crown family and General Dynamics:
    “Chicago’s Elders of Zion and Obama’s War for Profit” by Christopher Bollyn, October 14, 2011

    http://www.bollyn.com/chicagos-elders-of-zion-and-obamas-war-for-profit/

    “James Crown: The Israeli Connection in the Madoff Scam” by Christopher Bollyn, October 26, 2013

    http://www.bollyn.com/14419/

    “JFK and 9-11: Henry Crown and the Cover-Ups of Our Time” by Christopher Bollyn, November 7, 2013

    http://www.bollyn.com/jfk-and-9-11-henry-crown-and-the-cover-ups-of-our-time/

    “The Crown Family Connections to the Kennedy Assassinations” by Christopher Bollyn, November 21, 2013

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-crown-family-connections-to-the-kennedy-assassinations/

    - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-antidote-for-disinfo#sthash.LHyI7vKQ.dpuf

    Sample:

    Henry Crown [?probably essentially part of the Chicago mafia?] became the largest shareholder of Texas-based General Dynamics when he merged his sand and gravel (and cement) company, Material Service Corp., with the nearly bankrupt defense contractor in 1959. Crown’s new company was in dire straits financially until 1962 when it was rescued by a $7 billion contract to produce a new fighter jet for the military. This became known as the TFX/F-111 scandal. In 1963 General Dynamics came under congressional investigation to determine exactly how Henry Crown had finagled this huge Texas deal.

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_14597

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  233. @geokat62

    Terrific job, geokat22! Excellent how you provided the Guardian “link.”

    iffen and Sam the Sham are staggering (full circle) on-the-ropes.

    One matter though? Someone in their clan should talk to them about this current blow out, because even I (!) am getting a little embarrassed at how they continue to persist.

    iffen and Sam the Sham don’t even seem to realize they are spewing out gilded misinformation & commenters are “on to them.” What do you make of this situation, geokat22? One would normally think their godlikeness would be down sized by now.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  234. utu says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “The unavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state” – Isn’t it a common knowledge? I always thought that expulsion of Jews in 13 century from England was responsible for setting England on the path to become a major power. With the Jews England’s fate could have been more similar to that of Poland.

    Prior to emancipation (Napoleon) Jews had negligible contribution to science, literature, music and art. And thereafter their contributions were not Jewish in essence. They were in opposition to their culture and not because of it.

  235. utu says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.”

    Good point but it never gets any traction among Protestants. For support E. Michael Jones.

  236. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Indeed – my, the Brits really screwed up big time on that map didn’t they? Like I said, when I think long term – a lot of these details don’t matter – at least in this world. Palestinians will likely not get a right to return for a few generations – the scorecard will be taken care of in the next life. Likewise the continuing expansion of settlements in the W Bank. People don’t talk much anymore about the Latin kingdoms.

    My primary concerns are; 1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies, 2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria and 3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @geokat62
  237. Winston says:

    Iranophobes want (whether they know or not) to destroy US economy. After all as Saudi Arabia sinks deeper, who will be next petrodollar linchpin? US busy antagonizing most likely alternatives.

  238. iffen says:
    @Greasy William

    For as obsessed as you guys are with Israel, you sure don’t understand it’s internal politics.

    You are correct, our knowledge of Israeli politics is nothing like the perfect knowledge that we have of American politics.

  239. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Indeed – my, the Brits really screwed up big time on that map didn’t they?

    I would not agree that they screwed up. Drawing lines is usually a messy and bloody business. After WWII the Great Powers drew the lines to their economic and political advantage, so they can be faulted for trying to grab control of natural resources and trying to re-establish colonial regimes. I don’t buy the general premise that the colonial powers are responsible for what the locals do with the lines post-colonial. As to which ethnic groups “got” countries and which ones didn’t, I don’t know how one could sort through which were “deserving” and which were not, it turns on power politics, not who is entitled.

    Politically the Zionists had done their homework and had the commitment from Britain. As to ethnic groups, I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.

    Long term, Israel seems to have painted itself into a corner. I have no solution to offer. I do see a major problem with trying to maintain a liberal democracy for a part of the population and having a part which does not have equal participation. (This is the same problem that I see with Islam.)

    1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies

    I would like for us to do a major re-assessment of foreign military aid, not just the part going to Israel.

    2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria

    I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong. If Israel did not exist, I think that we would be about where we are in the ME.

    3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders

    You are blaming Israel for conflict in Islam. I don’t buy that.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Talha
    , @L.K
  240. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    My primary concerns are; 1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies, 2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel’s fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria and 3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders.

    Hey, Talha. I’m assuming you’ve listed these in order of importance to you. If so, I’m a little surprised and disappointed you’ve placed money ahead of the taking of innocent lives. This can’t be consistent with what your Islamic scholars have been teaching you all these years, can it?

    • Replies: @Talha
  241. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Terrific job, geokat22!

    Thanks, Chuck… appreciate the feedback.

    btw, I’ve got two bones to pick with you:

    1) I never did receive a response to the query I posed to you in comment #958 under another one of Phil’s threads, 9/11 Truth?
    2) you’ve shortchanged my handle by 40 cents. Was this inflation-adjusted or do you have an aversion to the #6?

  242. @iffen

    Politically the Zionists had done their homework and had the commitment from Britain. As to ethnic groups, I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.

    Could you expand on that, iffen: Describe in detail what the zionists did in their “homework,” and then please back up, with convincing evidence and argument, your assertion that “Jews ‘deserved’ a country” over any others.

    if you please.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @jacques sheete
  243. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hey Geo,

    I wasn’t necessarily thinking about the order, but the two are connected. Innocent life always takes precedence over money. Where it gets fuzzy is; say there is one of the regular conflicts that is going on in Central Africa that flares up from time to time wheres thousands of people are killed. Now that sucks big time and is horrific, but I cannot possibly see how I have even a shred of personal responsibility to answer for in the afterlife for it – other than I prayed for it to end or sent some money for relief (for instance, my family tries to keep up sponsorship of two orphans in Africa). Those people in that conflict are moral actors in and of themselves.

    If the government was merely taking my money and using it to run NASA experiments on the effects of gravity-free conditions on the chess skills of simians, I would think that is wasteful and be upset, but – whatever. However, the #1 is connected to #2, so now I’m going to be asked if I spoke up about how my money was used in the deaths of innocents. Did I voice my opposition to such policies, etc.? Did I help elect people into power that advocated or opposed these policies?

    Does that all make sense?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  244. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Also, remember that the Brits helped the Saudis (with their Wahhabi allies) come to power and take control of the Hijaz and the oil fields.

    This is the same problem that I see with Islam.

    I can’t think of a problem that Islam would have with organizing a society with liberal democratic forms in the current situation (any more than it would with organizing it around tribal confederacy) – sure there may be certain constitutional limits in place about over-turning the order (for instance only Muslims can serve as president or certain military positions, etc.), but even Iran specifically reserves seats in parliament for minorities that would likely never win an election on their own:
    “In Iran, five seats in parliament are reserved for recognized religious minorities — one for a Jew, two for Christians and two for Zoroastrians.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-iranian-mp-lauds-countrys-religious-freedom/

    Pakistan even had a Catholic Chief Justice, the Hon. Alvin Cornelius, who actually advocated implementation of Shariah as a means to guard ‘natural law’ against abuses of government and
    “The thinker at issue is the eminent Catholic Pakistani judge A. R. Cornelius, who served on Pakistan’s Supreme Court during that country’s post-independence slide into authoritarianism and who died in 1991. Once skeptical about arguments that Pakistan’s law should be self-consciously measured against Islamic norms, Cornelius lived through the establishment of secular military dictatorship. As I will explain, he came to believe that Islamization might be a necessary precondition for the reestablishment of the liberal rule of law in Pakistan….Thus, the rise of popular piety and governmental programs to Islamize society have undoubtedly led to illiberal treatment of people and human rights abuses in Pakistan and Egypt. At the same time, however, liberal judges in both countries have been able to develop Islamic arguments both
    to forestall abuses by secular government and, more intriguingly, to resist abuses carried out by citizens or government officials claiming to be acting according to ‘Islamic’ principles.”

    http://ir.stthomas.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1237&context=ustlj

    Very complicated stuff – but someone looking at it has to divorce preconceptions stemming from European models as being the benchmark.

    As far as other concerns…
    #1 – We are on the same page here.
    #2 – As far as I can see it doesn’t want any unfriendly government around it with reasonable rival military projection powers and will help or advocate to destabilize any governments that fit that bill – innocent life does not seem a concern of theirs. Of course, it can backfire – Syria now probably sports the most battle-hardened and capable Arab army of the entire region by trial-of-fire. I don’t agree with the opinion that things would simply be the same without Israel around. One of the goals of Neocon planners in their policies is how to set up the ME in Israel’s favor or to maintain its dominance.
    #3 – No – the extremist conflict in Islam flares up from time to time and goes back to the time of the Khawarij – I would never blame Israel for that. In fact, J. Rujevsky gave me the third degree for not agreeing with him that existence of extremist strains in Islam is simply Zionist propaganda. But what I do blame them for is a couple of things; a) stoking and using extremist strains for their policies (that includes their influence in the US gov’t to help arm or otherwise politically support them):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/?utm_term=.eb8a3b39f7b0

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/19/israeli-defense-minister-if-i-had-to-choose-between-iran-and-isis-id-choose-isis/?utm_term=.02984bb1a28a

    b) I have been watching the anti-Islam propaganda evolve since the 90′s. It has gotten progressively pernicious and more well-funded. People like David Horowitz, Geller, and others crank it out 24/7 and get media coverage all the time. And again, this is not your academic criticism of Islam from the likes of the late Louis Massignon, etc. – it is full-fledged lies and utter distortion of our history – as you’ve seen me challenge on this forum. It’s connected at the hip with Zionism:
    “Shillman said he remains a director of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, whose Jihad Watch website helped organize the cartoon event in a Dallas suburb with activist Pamela Geller’s American Freedom Defense Initiative…His Shillman Foundation has funded a number of conservative and pro-Israeli groups, including the Zionist Organization of America. The ZOA has targeted both academics it perceives have been teaching anti-Israel doctrine and Palestine student groups accused of intimidating Jewish students on U.S. campuses, including a campaign at Shillman’s alma mater, Northeastern University in Boston.”

    http://forward.com/news/307903/the-tech-mogul-who-funds-pamela-gellers-anti-islam-push/

    “Well imagine no more, Loonwatch has gone digging and sure enough, Robert Spencer, a long discredited anti-Muslim hatemonger posing as an ‘Islam scholar’ has shown his scholarly objective ways with the heinously named URL’s ‘fuckallah.com and ‘fuckislam.com’ redirecting to his cesspool of subjectivity, the David Horowitz funded hate blog, Jihadwatch.org.”

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/loonwatch-exclusive-robert-spencers-fkallahcom-fkislamcom/

    And Spencer is getting interviews in MSM as an expert on Islam – what the hell?

    So no, Israel and Zionists do not get off so easy on that score. That to me is more vile than a back and forth over some pieces of territory in the Levant. You have to understand my perspective on this anti-Islam stuff; this is about salvation – afterlife. Their political machinations are getting in people’s way of being able to discern the truth of Islam and decide whether they like it or reject it based on what it actually says. To me this is beyond petty things like discomfort of Muslims in the US – we will just have to be patient and tough it out – but they are toying with people’s souls – this is unforgivable.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  245. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Could you expand on that, iffen: Describe in detail what the zionists did in their “homework,”

    No, I can’t do that. I could if I wanted to take a few months to study all the sources, but it is not crucial to my understanding. You already have a good knowledge of their activities, real and imagined, so what I have to say would have little import for you. My comment is a generality. Zionists worked together toward a common goal: the establishment of the state of Israel, and they accomplished that goal. I know that they were very active in the US and Britain, not sure about other countries, that’s all I need to know.

    your assertion that “Jews ‘deserved’ a country” over any others.

    That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:

    I fail to see any other that “deserved” a country over the Jews.

    Of the ethnic groups that got countries, none had a claim superior to the Jews.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  246. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    And you are boring me idiot. Missed the point as usual. Colonies: when did the possess them? Get it?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  247. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    Does that all make sense?

    Makes perfect sense, Talha. That said, we should always lead with the statement “Innocent life always takes precedence over money,” and then follow with the appropriate qualifiers like personal responsibility, etc.

    Peace

  248. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [they are related:]

    Yes. Many words are related but do keep stretching the limits of credibility with implausible choices.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  249. @jacques sheete

    “… how Henry Crown finagled the this huge Texas deal.”

    Thanks Jacques! Back in 2011, while at work and a guy having showed me his “Hutler” hot book, I read excepts from Larry Flynnt & David Eisenbach’s “One Nation under Sex” and learned about the LBJ administration having given the TFXF-111 production job to General Dynamics despite having lower bids available. Later I shall begin to read the article “links” which you provided.

    I had no idea that Henry Crown was the largest shareholder in “Texas-based G.D.”

    Otherwise, I was thrilled to see you mention the extremely vital work of Christopher Bollyn.
    (Anyone, like C. Bollyn, who gets physically beaten by Mossad goon squads for doing 9/11 research has earned respect & Americans should “have their back”)

    Every American should read his “Solving 9-11″ right now because I believe the Trump administration along with support from the other Superpower Russia, is going to build upon the rotten fruit of (official) 9-11 lies, and cause more immoral havoc and death in the Middle East and elsewhere.

    Thank you, I must go grocery shopping now. At of this writing, I’m glad there’s no Elders of Zion Price Chopper supermarkets around here & where goyem are obligated to patronize.

  250. @geokat62

    geokat22,

    I apologize for failing to answer your query # 958.

    As the “thread” surpassed 1,000 comments, I sort of “hung up my spikes.” Commenters started to rehash matters which were well covered and I had no enthusiasm for “reinventing the wheel.”
    Once MCPO USN wrote a brainless reply to something I said, I went to making comment on Linh Dinh’s terrific article, “The Trump Ploy.”

    Later while listening to the Penn State vs. Wisconsin football game on radio, I’ll go back, read your # 958, and hopefully “bury the bones” that you so sincerely picked with me.

    Thank you… and Carrier me back to ole Virginny!

  251. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Geo,
    We haven’t traversed circles at all. Once again the limits of sense are being tested.

    George Bush’s memoirs, the advance copy of which the Guardian received in Nov 2010 states that he [Bush] asked the Pentagon to study the needs for a plan of attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and a possible covert action on Syria. These were secret directives.

    The oil spike was in Spring 2008. Now, in your defense I can state that for most speculative bubbles in crude, talks of ‘this attack or that attack’ seem to appear with some frequency; yet I was unaware of any contemporaneous credible source [I was trading in 2008, btw, so I ought to remember] claiming such with any imminence.

    LOL. Please no more.

    P.S. tell your fan Orloski to eat a few more with the special sprinkles. They are particularly good for the brain.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  252. L.K says:
    @iffen

    iffen: “I don’t buy the idea that Israel wants chaos and extremely unstable failed states surrounding it. I could be wrong.”

    You are always wrong. More to the point, you are a pathetic, sad little zionist liar.

  253. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    You are entitled to your opinion but can you provide any concrete evidence beyond anecdotal? I don’t think you’d be able to, nor most. When you listed all those qualities which in your opinion are necessary for success, you’ve surely defined humans, naturally including yourself. I’ll tell you my opinion; success – truly lasting success – comes with aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune. When people incessantly rankle about the successes of some group other than their own, it is usually the product of jealousy – another human, indeed simian quality.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  254. L.K says:
    @Sam Shama

    Whenever I hear a zionist scumbag, such as this liar Shama, talk about ‘human rights’ and then obviously refer to Israel’s target countries, or any countries at all, it makes me nauseated.
    As if zionists care about human rights;

    No mention made of the illegal Zionist Ghetto State’s long string of well documented human rights violations, of course not.

    For example, here is Shames moral army in action;
    Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

    Here is a photo of the girl murdered by the israeli coward:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams

    When facing people who fight back though, it ends up like this;

    https://justpaste.it/1113u

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  255. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … yet I was unaware of any contemporaneous credible source.. claiming such with any imminence.

    LOL, Please no more, Sam.

    As you well know, headlines, like the one below, were being splashed all over the MSM during the summer of 2008, just before the Bush Administration, with Darth Vader at the helm, was about to come to an end. But I will say this in your defense, Sam, the MSM may not be deemed a credible source these days, what with them pumping out “fake news.”

    Buildup to the Next War
    By NOAH FELDMANAUG. 8, 2008

    This year, with the end of George Bush’s presidency close at hand, speculation is rife that Israel, with tacit or explicit American assistance, might seize the opportunity to bomb Iranian nuclear installations before a new and possibly less sympathetic president takes office.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/magazine/10wwln-lede2-t.html

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  256. @iffen

    An extremely disappointing response, iffen.

  257. @Sam Shama

    meh

    who cares what you say, Sam?
    In an age of mass production, one megaphone is the same as another.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  258. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … do keep stretching the limits of credibility

    Ok, Sam. I guess I’m the one here with that rep, right? Your previous comment:

    “In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”

    does not in any way “stretch the limits of credulity?”… despite all the headlines in the papers:

    Buildup to the Next War
    By NOAH FELDMANAUG. 8, 2008

    This year, with the end of George Bush’s presidency close at hand, speculation is rife that Israel, with tacit or explicit American assistance, might seize the opportunity to bomb Iranian nuclear installations before a new and possibly less sympathetic president takes office.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/magazine/10wwln-lede2-t.html

  259. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    No one worth their salt takes any positions [other than for pure speculation] based on “headlines without doing their own proprietary research. As I said before, these speculators from 2008, mostly got f*ked.

    Besides, two observations:
    (1) Why are you attempting to gloss over now, your reference to George Bush’s memoir of Nov 2010 as the damning evidence bolstering your original claim of war drums driving up the piece of crude in 2008?

    (2) this latest reference is from Aug 2008, past the Spring date, and it talked about movies [of all things, hahahaha] and the possibility of an attack, not before Jan 2009:
    “The prospect of an Israeli attack on Iran before the next president’s inauguration in January is not just the stuff of airport thrillers.”

    Geo, I’m beginning to think you’d make a pretty decent speculator on our desk: want to give it a shot?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  260. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Find me O genius of economic history, valid claims of industrialisation which preceded colonial asset acquisition.

    Requires no megaphones.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  261. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    As I said before, these speculators from 2008, mostly got f*ked.

    Thanks, Sam… QED

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  262. Sam Shama says:
    @L.K

    You are quite right, this infamy and several others including the house burning incident are terrible blots on the record and conscience of Israel which the state has not recognised nor compensated the victims for.

    However, it does not negate the considerable record of violations of other states such as Iran and Saudi.

    And you are still a reptilian nazi born of an unholy hybrid cross. Reptiles do not get nauseated but only hiss.

  263. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Thank me no thankings. Quod erat demonstrandum non est. In other words, you have not proved anything you embarked upon to prove. It was I pointing you in the direction that futures speculation cannot determine long-term spot settlements right at the start, while it was your contention that crude markets were primarily influenced by speculation, not fundamental structural factors. Again may I suggest you please read Menzie Chin’s article?

    There is no point in continuing this as I am certain by now you are digging your heels to prove something which belongs to a null set, not arguments based on good faith and reason.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  264. @Sam Shama

    1, comment 267 was ill-advised; a waste of pixels. Sorry Ron.

    2, I never claimed to be a “genius of economic history,” Sam.

    I cited the source for the information — Robert Weiner, who identified himself as “a male, a Jew, and an historian of European history,” in that order, when he introduced himself and his lectures on “The Long Nineteenth Century.”

    I study such lectures because I am aware of the deficits in my academic background. As I’ve stated, my teachers were refugees from war-torn Poland; they were not trained to teach; that class of nuns and many others had been killed, either by Germans, by Bolsheviks, or by Polish Jews.

    So I rely on people who represent themselves as experts, like Weiner.

    Maybe Weiner is wrong.

    After all, I’ve studied intensely the lectures of David Engel, on “Understanding the Holocaust,” and Engel is so wrong in so many ways that it’s a wonder my desktop did not cave in from the pounding. At one point Engel says, “If I had said ten years ago that X Y Z, people would have thought me insane.”
    Well, I think Engel is mentally deranged.
    That’s not to disparage persons with mental disorders; such disorders are a terrible affliction.
    But Engel spreads his mental derangement. He bills himself as a “scholar” at or for the holocaust museum in Washington, DC; it was his cockamamie theories that the holocaust museum echoed in its reaction to Richard Spencer and the NPI Conference.

    Those Polish nuns who were my teachers were not long on academic rigor, but they did teach me that it is a grievous sin to spread lies about something or someone.
    When those lies result in the destruction of whole nations and people, as did the lies FDR told to incite the American people to go to war in Europe, and then to carry out deliberate firebombing of German civilians and to commit other war crimes and crimes against humanity against the German people, the sin is almost beyond redemption.

    People like Engel continue, to this day, to excuse; to evade accountability; to attempt to privilege Jews, and to benefit and profit from those crimes.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  265. @geokat62

    “I never received a response from you to the query posed ion comment # 958. ”

    geokat22,

    At the time, I was on holy fire with making comments to P.G.’s provocative “9/11 Truth.” Frankly, I am still disappointed by Mr. Giraldi’s holding back on writing what he must really know about Zionist guilt for planning and doing the 9-11 attacks.

    However, I am now pleased to learn he’s the Executive Director of the educational and visually attractive (www) resource!

    Most of all, I am so impressed to learn Alison Weir is Staff President. Unaware about where are her native origins, Alison is an American hero. Right now I’m planning to purchase her book for the long N.E. Pennsylvania winter.

    Finally, I placed the web site into my “favorites” and I will regularly check in. (Note: Sam the Sham was correct in stating how I’m your ‘fan.” Such is much superior to his polishing the Sponge Bob knobs of Mnuchin and Adelson)

    Finally, you are a Riddler, geokat22! I did not look back at (’9-11 Truth”) comment # 6, but you got me on this one. But when the organization gets to deputizing school bus drivers and giving them badges and clubs, let me know? With a Class “B” C.D.L., when moment strikes, I can drive half tracks & tanks, and I’d like to do American service against The Zionist War of Terror. The king-bitches minimum wage will do! Thank you… praise unto Christopher Bollyn.

  266. You are quite right, this infamy and several others including the house burning incident are terrible blots on the record and conscience of Israel which the state has not recognised nor compensated the victims for.

    You make war on the Jewish people, you get destroyed. And it won’t be pretty. The Germans already learned that the hard way, the Palestinians are much slower learners.

    The way you apologize for us defending ourselves is disgusting. Fortunately in 20 years there will be no secular left in Israel and we will no longer have to listen to such nonsense.

  267. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    Hey Greasy,

    How exactly is plugging an unarmed 13 year old girl with nearly 20 bullets – defense?

    I know you said you are an extremist – but is this sanctioned by normative Orthodox Rabbis? I’m sure there are extremist Rabbis out there.

    I’m hoping the answer is – “no, this is an extreme position” – I really am.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  268. Sam Shama says:
    @Greasy William

    Greasy there is enough space in Judea and Samaria for us to live in peace with Palestinians, a people related to us. The right of return nonsense is not on the table since it is a transparent ploy to destroy the state’s demography by deluging it with Jordanians, Egyptians etc. What’s your view of Naftali?

    Israel is a great modern country, and we are leaps ahead in the economic/scientific development scale than many others, certainly in the ME. There is little reason for the Pals to suffer when they can be successfully integrated into the population.

    Now I agree with Iffen’s earlier remark that Israel’s claim to statehood stands inferior to none, especially those claimed by other states in the neighbourhood. Even beyond.

    Every country has its own record of human rights violations and Israel is not alone in this regard, yet it is incumbent upon us to maintain as spotless a record as we can for all the obvious reasons, humanity not least. Talha’s earlier post on the deep regard and fondness Moroccan Jews have of the king there, speaks to a long history of cordial relations between Muslim and Jew. Its a history which demands continuance in the future.

  269. @Greasy William

    Germans did not make war on the Jewish people, tho their leaders did rail against the Jewish economic war against Germany.

    Nor did Jewish people put their skin or shekels on the line to destroy Germany: they manipulated Russians and Americans to bleed and spend to slake Jewish hatred and benefit Jewish interests.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  270. @Talha

    How was burning a 5 year old German boy alive in Dresden bomb shelter self defense?

    The answer is that in war, nations pay the price of the conflict with the lives individuals. Our 5 year old German boy wasn’t really innocent, he had inherent guilt simply by being part of the German nation that was waging a genocidal war against the Jewish people.

    That’s what war is. Like most Pakistanis, you’re a softy at heart. I admire that and it will serve you well in the World to Come. But right now we have to live in this world.

    I would also like to point out that it was the Palestinians who started the process of targeting civilians, not us. I respect their right to fight for the land that they understandably believe is theirs, but when they deliberately attack Jewish civilians, they should expect for us to target their civilians in return.

    I will tell you this, we didn’t reclaim sovereignty in our Land after over 1900 years of exile for the purpose of killing Muslims who we had before had such a close friendship with (Arab Christians are a different matter, they have always been our enemies). If the Palestinians want a “clean” war, where civilians aren’t deliberately targeted (some civilians on both sides will always get caught in the crossfire), we welcome that.

    • Replies: @Talha
  271. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Are you looking for a discussion on Just War? or the Holocaust?

    I’ll reiterate an observation I made many months ago, which is that few if any jews today claim any currency by advancing the Holocaust as a means to gain whatever imagined advantage.

    Now if you ask Greasy I’m certain he has a Torah based explanation for it, as well for the final outcome of the calamity wrought upon Europe by WWII.

    I am sure the Polish nuns you studied under were pious and gentle souls. There are people, a time and place for everyday piety, but such is not – wasn’t – the provenance, certainly not the duty of the regent or president.

    So as far as FDR’s alleged methods are concerned, I’d simply make the observation that he owed no debt nor reason to advance the betterment of any nation other than that of the U.S and her allies; emancipation of peoples of Europe under the Nazi jackboot; claim the mantle of the world’s greatest superpower from HM govt.

    That is how I see it and the world which unfolded since has unquestionably advanced economically, seen an end to wars on the European soil and lifted millions out of poverty. It has its moments and events of questionable import, but it is not in my bag of tricks to ask “what could have happened under alternate hypotheticals”.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  272. @SolontoCroesus

    He can’t do that for another reason. Let’s see if he can figure it out.

    CAIRO, Egypt, May 27,[1922]—The last hope of 30,000,000 Arabs to win freedom for their race without further bloodshed vanished when cables from Washington announced that the United States had concluded an agreement with Great Britain… The Arabs came into the war on the side of the allies against their Turkish co-religionists in- response to the allies’ promise of freedom…The Arab support “was determined and effective.”

    Newspaper article by Junius B. Wood on the American recognition of Britain’s mandate in Palestine, Chicago Daily News,27 May 1922 (also The Sunday Star, Washington)

    http://dcollections.oberlin.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/kingcrane/id/1686/rec/18

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Chuck Orloski
  273. @Sam Shama

    You are entitled to your opinion but can you provide any concrete evidence beyond anecdotal?

    Thanks, that’s generous of you. As for evidence, just look around. My comments apply equally well to goyim…and all one has to do is mention some of the trash that runs for office. They all work pretty hard, and have aptitudes for the jobs, but it takes some particularly scummy characteristics to float to the top.

    I don’t think you’d be able to, nor most. When you listed all those qualities which in your opinion are necessary for success, you’ve surely defined humans, naturally including yourself.

    Yes, of course, so why do you think I can’t support my claims? Anyway, your use of the word, “necessary” is misleading and presenting strawman arguments like that is dishonest.

    I’ll tell you my opinion; success – truly lasting success – comes with aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune.

    In my opinion the biggest key, by far, for material success is persistence. In my observations, good fortune is definitely a key and so is the willingness to grab and cultivate every opportunity while keeping one’s options open along with a long time preference. Those who need instant gratification are probably not going to do well either mentally or spiritually, even if they are persistent.

    When people incessantly rankle (sic) about the successes of some group other than their own, it is usually the product of jealousy – another human, indeed simian quality.

    True, but note the key word, “usually.” Please note the obverse of that is that those who incessantly whine about how bad they have it and how badly they’ve been persecuted are usually FoS as well, especially when they have the proverbial world by the tail.

    Humans often suck, don’t they? Even the “Chosen,” special ones. I don’t know about the rest of the apes.

    Sorry ’bout dat!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  274. @Sam Shama

    “it is incumbent upon us (Israel) to maintain as spotless a (human rights) record as we can for all the obvious reasons, humanity not the least.”

    To Sam the Sham,

    The exceptional A. Milchan/M.S.M. maneuvering and selling of the official 9-11 lie (including 19 Arab hijacker responsibility) is the greatest achievement of “maintaining as spotless record as we can for all obvious reasons” in all of modern history. Congratulations!

    No doubt, it is scandalous False History upon which POTUS administrations rely upon to continue American support for unnecessary and immoral Zionist wars in the Middle East and North Africa. U.S. citizens are enchanted by watching the cable TV show “Hunting Hitler” while P.M. Netanyahu shines an (illegal) settler spotlight on Palestinians under siege & those who want to come home. Congratulations.

    Sam the Sham… my special congratulations on USrael’s Great Voodoo-Mnuchin Economic Leap Forward into the 2017 abyss!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  275. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Interesting read, Sam.

    I was intrigued by the explanation put forth for the period 2008-09:

    A period of major market transition with the commodity supercycle peak followed by the financial crisis crash and then a relatively sharp recovery

    It appears there is some debate over the super cycle hypothesis, however:

    Why the commodities super cycle was a myth

    https://www.ft.com/content/e7a9b59e-4caf-11e5-9b5d-89a026fda5c9

    Not to beat a dead horse, I still wanted to take one last shot at one of your previous statements:

    It was I pointing you in the direction that futures speculation cannot determine long-term spot settlements right at the start, while it was your contention that crude markets were primarily influenced by speculation, not fundamental structural factors.

    I think the following revised statement is a more accurate reflection of our respective positions on this topic:

    “It was I pointing you in the direction that futures speculation cannot determine long-term spot settlements right at the start, while it was your contention that futures markets for crude oil were primarily influenced by speculation, not fundamental structural factors.”

    Given this clarification, would you still take issue with it?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  276. iffen says:
    @jacques sheete

    From Wiki:

    On August 9, 1814, Andrew Jackson forced the Creeks to sign the Treaty of Fort Jackson. Despite protest of the Creek chiefs who had fought alongside Jackson, the Creek Nation ceded 23 million acres (93,000 km²)—half of Alabama and part of southern Georgia—to the United States government.
    Even though the Creek War was largely a civil war among the Creeks, Andrew Jackson recognized no difference between the Creeks that had fought with him and the Red Sticks that fought against him, taking the lands of both. 1.9 million acres (7,700 km²) of the 23 million acres (93,000 km²) Jackson forced the Creeks to cede what was claimed by the Cherokee Nation, who had also allied with the United States during the war.

    The hapless Kurds keep falling for this every few years.

    Those ignorant of history are…

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  277. @jacques sheete

    “Cairo, 5-27-1922: The last hope of 30,000 Arabs to win freedom for their race w/o further bloodshed vanished when cables fro Washington announced the U.S. had concluded an agreement with Great Britain.”

    U.S. university-based Hasbara Fellowships just got a big win for their “race”… refer to antiwar.com article, below?

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/02/senate-passes-new-bill-targeting-college-students-who-criticize-israel/

    (Note: My U.S. Senator Robert Casey (D.,PA), a Roman Catholic, presented this “round ‘em up” bill and only about 1-month ago, he took stage @ Scranton High School with anti-oligarch Bernie Sanders & both stumped for pro-choice & Goldman Sachs Hillary. W.T.F.? Given president-elect Trump’s passion for appointing Zionists to key government positions, maybe Senator Casey will get tabbed as US Ambassador to Israel, w/o his having to do a classic Arlen Specter party switcheroo?)

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  278. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Again may I suggest you please read Menzie Chin’s article?

    I finally got the opportunity to read this article. It spurred me to do a little more research of my own, however, and I came across the following interesting information.

    Back on May 20, 2008, Michael W. Masters (Managing Member / Portfolio Manager Masters Capital Management, LLC) testified on the topic of “Ending Excessive Speculation in Commodity Markets,” before the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.

    Here are a few excerpts from that testimony:

    [MORE]

    You have asked the question “Are Institutional Investors contributing to food and energy price inflation?” And my unequivocal answer is “YES.” In this testimony I will explain that Institutional Investors are one of, if not the primary, factors affecting commodities prices today. Clearly, there are many factors that contribute to price determination in the commodities markets; I am here to expose a fast-growing yet virtually unnoticed factor, and one that presents a problem that can be expediently corrected through legislative policy action.

    Commodities prices have increased more in the aggregate over the last five years than at any other time in U.S. history. We have seen commodity price spikes occur in the past as a result of supply crises, such as during the 1973 Arab Oil Embargo. But today, unlike previous episodes, supply is ample: there are no lines at the gas pump and there is plenty of food on the shelves.

    If supply is adequate – as has been shown by others who have testified before this committee – and prices are still rising, then demand must be increasing. But how do you explain a continuing increase in demand when commodity prices have doubled or tripled in the last 5 years?

    What we are experiencing is a demand shock coming from a new category of participant in the commodities futures markets: Institutional Investors. Specifically, these are Corporate and Government Pension Funds, Sovereign Wealth Funds, University Endowments and other Institutional Investors. Collectively, these investors now account on average for a larger share of outstanding commodities futures contracts than any other market participant…

    In 2004, the total value of futures contracts outstanding for all 25 index commodities amounted to only about $180 billion. Compare that with worldwide equity markets which totaled $44 trillion, or over 240 times bigger. That year, Index Speculators poured $25 billion into these markets, an amount equivalent to 14% of the total market.

    You can see from Chart Two that prices have increased the most dramatically in the first quarter of 2008. We calculate that Index Speculators flooded the markets with $55 billion in just the first 52 trading days of this year. That’s an increase in the dollar value of outstanding futures contracts of more than $1 billion per trading day. Doesn’t it seem likely that an increase in demand of this magnitude in the commodities futures markets could go a long way in explaining the extraordinary commodities price increases in the beginning of 2008?…

    Index Speculators’ trading strategies amount to virtual hoarding via the commodities futures markets. Institutional Investors are buying up essential items that exist in limited quantities for the sole purpose of reaping speculative profits.

    Think about it this way: If Wall Street concocted a scheme whereby investors bought large amounts of pharmaceutical drugs and medical devices in order to profit from the resulting increase in prices, making these essential items unaffordable to sick and dying people, society would be justly outraged.

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    , @Sam Shama
  279. @Sam Shama

    The fact that FDR found it necessary to lie in order to gain the acquiescence of the American people to engage in a war in Europe is an irrefutable indicator that there was no cause for a US war against Germany; no casus belli existed.

    FDR’s actions were a fundamental betrayal and subversion of the American people and the American Constitutional compact.

    The “unquestionable economic advance” of some people as an outcome of FDR’s (and associated Jews and British, in league with Bolsheviks) actions came at the cost of the world’s most destructive episode of violence and destruction; it was stolen prosperity. Jean Valjean was imprisoned for stealing bread; how much more should a civilized world recoil at having acquired “unquestionable economic advance” at the cost of mass killing, rape, and physical and psychological terror?

    If FDR could lead the USA to carry out such acts, isn’t every other state, and community, and group, and family, and individual equally entitled to lie, kill, and steal because those acts will bring about their “unquestionable economic advance?”

    What about the people who are killed, and from whom goods are stolen, who are raped, and whose homes, cities, and heritage are destroyed? What rights do they have? Did they achieve “unquestionable economic advance?”

    Because the American people do not understand that their economic good times were stolen — worse than that: they were acquired by mass murder and looting — they do not comprehend that such times will not come again through what they think of as a reward for their “hard work” and “Yankee know-how” and even divine right. They don’t understand karma. The USA is too young, and too relatively unscathed by the kinds of violence it has delivered to others, to recognize that it cannot continue to live a life of crime.

    From the perspective of US government, Trump (and other leaders of states in the world, most notably Israeli leaders) are following in FDR’s footsteps: FDR began to prepare for war against Germany within weeks of his oath of office in 1933 — well before any German Jew had been harmed by the German government. He did so for a number of reasons, not the least of which was desperation in the face of a failing US economy. The war drums against Iran are sounded for similar reasons: Trump needs a war to boost the US economy, and Iran is a convenient scapegoat — truly a Judas goat.

    I find your moral position odious, Sam, and that of your more extremist co-religionist even more outrageous: Greasy is living in and by the tribal ‘rules’ of a time before civilization. As a citizen who has made the deal with my government to cede the right to kill another, in exchange for the state’s protection, I think it only reasonable, in fact, necessary, to demand that the State kill people with pre-civilizational ideation such as Greasy Williams: he and his kind are a danger to society; they have announced their murderous intentions, and their prior acts demonstrate that they are not just talk: they have carried out the deadly acts they promise to commit again. Decent people have a right to be protected from mad actors like Greasy, and their governments have an obligation to provide that protection.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  280. @iffen

    Thanks for that; it’s one I hadn’t heard of.

    The list of such things by the US government is pretty shocking. The politicos even betrayed the soldiers who fought the war of independence from GB, the Filipinos who fought for their independence, and the their WW1 allies, the Japanese to name 3 other significant bits of largely unknown US history.

  281. @Chuck Orloski

    It just keeps getting worse.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  282. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Last one and I’m done.

    Now, in your defense I can state that for most speculative bubbles in crude, talks of ‘this attack or that attack’ seem to appear with some frequency; yet I was unaware of any contemporaneous credible source [I was trading in 2008, btw, so I ought to remember] claiming such with any imminence.

    Are these sources credible enough, Sam?

    Ahmadinejad’s daring move quickly set off a “war of words” with US President George Bush and vice-president Dick Cheney, which in turn, built-up an Iranian “war premium” of roughly $12 per barrel into the price of crude oil.

    On January 19, 2006, Cheney warned, “Whether or not there would be a spike in the price of oil, if in fact there is some kind of a crisis with Iran is entirely possible. But I think the consequences of that would be less significant than the consequences of having Mahmoud Ahmadinejad armed with nuclear weapons,” Cheney told CNBC.

    On Jan 24, 2006, in remarks at Kansas State University, Bush added, “The world cannot be put in a position where we can be blackmailed by a nuclear weapon.” Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responded in a televised speech. “We emphasize that nuclear technology and the nuclear fuel cycle is our absolute right. The nation, I and other officials will not yield to America’s bullying language by any means,” Khamenei declared on March 21, 2006.

    On Oct 17, 2007, the unrelenting “war of words” between Tehran and the Washington neocons reached a climax, when Bush suggested that if Iran obtained nuclear weapons, it could lead to war. “I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing Iran from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon,” he warned.

    On Oct 21st, VP Cheney warned, “Our country, and the entire international community, cannot stand by as a terror-supporting state fulfills its grandest ambitions. If Iran continues on its current course, the US and other nations are prepared to impose serious consequences. We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon,” Cheney declared.

    The Iranian “War Premium” Evaporates

    Millions of words have already been written in the media about the bombshell NIE report, which destroyed a four-year diplomatic effort by Bush to isolate Iran. “There is no doubt that following this report, Iran will feel more at ease,” said Habib Fayyad, a Beirut-based political analyst and expert on Iran. “First, it will drive Moscow and Beijing to disregard calls for sanctions against Iran. There will be more division within the EU regarding Iran’s nuclear program,” he said…

    But the odds of a US / Israeli strike on Iran before December 2008, according to online futures markets, have plummeted from 50% in November to 18% today (Dec 11, 2007). The other casinos where bets on war in the Middle East are made each day are the crude oil markets in London and New York. “The market is increasingly driven by forces beyond OPEC’s control, by geopolitical events and the growing influence of financial investors,” said Mohammed bin Dhaen al-Hamli who is the UAE oil minister.

    http://www.safehaven.com/article/9002/iranian-war-premium-vanishes-from-crude-oil

  283. @jacques sheete

    “… keeps getting worse.”

    Given his recent ecstasy on how “U.S. workers” rose to elect Donald Trump, are you following the strange matter of Paul Craig Roberts having made an open appeal for Russian citizenship? I hope such move is to help V. Putin wage battle against Atlanticist Integrationists, but that’s pretty much “pie-in-the-sky.” Must keep faith P.C.R.’s not running for life and I do not mean his running for “Breast cancer awareness.”

    Recall how Jesse Ventura touched multiple “Deep State” Third Rails and departed for Mexico?
    As you might know, Jesse the Body authored quite a daring book on the JFK assassination

    Finally, did you read SolontoCroesus terrific comment # 290? Shazam! He’s definitely not saving telling the truth for later, and I hope Paul Craig Roberts takes heart with regard to whatever motivates him to date.

    Thank you… Good night.

  284. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    [my special congratulations on USrael’s Great Voodoo-Mnuchin Economic Leap Forward into the 2017 abyss!]

    Look at it this way, you’ll be participating in that leap forward, upgrading your order to the deluxe items at Dunkin’s.

    Many happy Christmas parties at the Burger King as well.

  285. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Yes, excessive speculation has always been a problem in the oil markets.

  286. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Your morality is selective and vilifies FDR, Jews and the British, when in truth Hitler had by the time America entered the war caused widespread mayhem. To your Dresden Feb 13-18 1945, I reply with Belgrade April 6-9 1941, etc. etc.

    Why is your morality so selective? Did Mein Kampf leave any doubts in your mind as to what Hitler’s plans for Europe were? My G’d man, e.g., his plan for Austria was laid out in the very opening pages!

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  287. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    Hey Greasy,

    What happened to Dresden (and Tokyo and Kobe, etc.) is morally indefensible. Those that carried out those acts knew it:

    “I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal. Fortunately, we were on the winning side.” – Gen. Curtis Lemay

    https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/war-criminals-theirs-and-ours

    Like most Pakistanis, you’re a softy at heart.

    LOL! We’re usually getting labeled otherwise. We aren’t softies – we name our kids after Companions that were known as ‘Living Martyrs’:
    “There was Talhah, bleeding profusely. He had numerous wounds, from sword, spear and arrow. His foot had been cut and he had fallen into a hollow where he lay unconscious. Thereafter, the Prophet (pbuh) said: ‘Whoever is pleased to see a man still walking on earth who had completed his span (of life), let him look at Talhah ibn Ubaydallah.’ And, whenever Uhud was recalled, Abu Bakr (ra) would say: ‘That day, that entire day, belonged to Talhah.’”

    http://www.sunnah.org/history/Sahaba/talhah.html

    And then name military vehicles after them:

    http://www.military-today.com/apc/talha.htm

    But there is a difference between warrior saints and those that would kill women and children in cold blood.

    Palestinians who started the process of targeting civilians, not us

    Not sure; the Stern Gang, Irgun and others who brought a godless, utilitarian fighting ethic into that land are pretty early in the game. Nevertheless, the Palestinians have also succumbed to the same deplorable ethics with indiscriminate attacks and these should be condemned – period. The hadith that forbids the killing of women and children is at the mutawatir level (meaning it is as sound as a verse of the Qur’an). None of the schools allows killing of unarmed women or children even in a battle zone – or even if armed, if they are in retreat. The only ones that dissent are a minority of Malikis that say that the prohibition is so clear cut, that a Muslim warrior has no option but to avoid an armed woman combatant.

    There will be no victory for them using these methods – God demands higher standards from us in war.

    over 1900 years of exile

    Bro, read my earlier post; it is a fact that Muslims allowed Jews to settle in Jerusalem and surrounding areas whenever they took charge of that land despite Christian protestations. If there was an exile for all this time, it was self-imposed – not by us.
    “Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church’s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.”

    http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

    Read the citation (from an Iraqi Jewish historian) I posted earlier:
    “It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik.”

    If you mean sovereignty, that’s a total different subject; Muslims pitted their blood and steel against that of the Byzantines, Latins, Mongols and European Empires for sovereignty of that land for 14 centuries* – so I commend that you understand why they would fight for it.

    a “clean” war, where civilians aren’t deliberately targeted

    We are obligated to observe the rules of warfare as outlined by the prophetic model, irrespective of how Israel conducts their wars. We will be asked about our actions, you will be asked about yours.

    I personally abhor modern war, it seems to make monsters out of everyone involved. It is a product of the post-religious era of humanity and it is ugly to the core – sure you’ll gain this piece of land or that city…you just have to pay with your soul.

    Peace.

    *Note: At times, Jews were critical in the defense effort:
    “The French forces were unprepared for a further setback and they suffered heavy losses and retreated. Haim Farhi, Jewish advisor to the Pasha and right hand man, played a key role in the city’s defense and organized 8,000 to 9,000 of the city’s inhabitants to battle against the siege.”

    http://www.akko.org.il/en/The-Napoleon-Route

    “On April 20, 1799, Napoleon Bonaparte had an order penned, declaring that when he conquered the territory, Jews, who he called the ‘rightful heirs of Palestine,’ would inherit the land. France and his army, Napoleon wrote to the Jews in what many today point to as one of the first iterations of modern Zionism, ‘offers to you at this very time, and contrary to all expectations, Israel’s patrimony.’ Haim Farhi, Jezzar Pasha’s advisor, was not, however, wooed by the French general’s promises of Jewish sovereignty in the land of Israel.

    http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/This-Week-in-History-Napoleon-is-repelled-from-Acre

  288. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    If the biggest key for material success is persistence why dilute that factor with: “…at a minimum it reflects cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism and probably a bit of sadism as well.” ?

    If you meant your observation to be equally applicable to goyim, then fine, I applaud your fair-handed approach. Although I don’t believe that nepotism, narcissism and sadism [really?] are anywhere nearly as important or pervasive. Furthermore, persistence may be necessary but certainly not sufficient for obvious reasons.

    Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience. By those who whine I am fairly sure you are referring to the alleged “jewish Holocaust appeal”. I think that is a canard spun by 88′s. Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.

    So jews have the world by its tail eh?

    I don’t consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.

  289. tumi says:
    @Sam Shama

    3000 propagandist inserted by USA in the local and foreign media have polluted your psychology beyond repair. Your psychology is immature, cocksure and gullible who desperately wants to believe the empire’s lies hoping this time you would be vindicated . Iran is the country that was chosen before Iraq war for destruction. Emotionally stupefying “Axis of Evil” offered the mentally deficient an intellectual hatch escape to declare war on an poorly armed nonnuclear country peaceful but ossified nation but got delayed in the deserts post 2003.
    Iraq war has chastened most of those mentally deficient common folks but not those who sport US flag to hide their penchant for destruction-living and nonliving for the fun of watching an inferno.

  290. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Jews remember the Holocaust as a great tragedy, nothing more , nothing less, encouraging others to do the same for the tragedies that befell their own, e.g. the Armenian genocide.

    Sorry, Sam. I have to respond whenever the needle on the lie detector approaches the red zone. Here’s a previous comment that refutes your claim about “… encouraging others to do the same…”:

    Avery – Turkophile denialist Jewish-American “intellectuals” and NGOs (e.g. ADL and the slimy Abe Foxman) have been carrying water for the Turks for decades. Nothing new.

    geokat62 – Here’s a little evidence that backs-up that claim up:

    http://www.salon.com/2010/06/16/israel_lobby_genocide_armenia/

    http://asbarez.com/123385/after-years-of-denial-foxman-recognizes-genocide/

    http://archive.adl.org/presrele/mise_00/5114_00.html#.Vs5IV_DEirU

    http://youtu.be/uoXED_7I3VA (The most relevant part begins at 21:04)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  291. @Sam Shama

    Lastly, those who get rankled by the successes of others are indeed typically suffering from an excess of jealousy in my experience.

    Dorit Sasson produced one of the most disgusting books in a long, long history of wastage of trees by Jewish whiners.
    Sasson’s book detailed her hatred of her mother, which she resolved by leaving her home in USA and enlisting in IDF. There, while training with young Jewish men who spoke frequently of their eagerness to “kill Palestinians,” she found a sense of belonging.

    Like most such authors, Sasson has a canned speech for book events. In her speech, Sasson relates and repeats that “Israelis are hard to get along with; they are resentful of the success of everybody else.”

    Poor Sam Shama has spent too much time around Jews like the resentful Israelis of Sasson’s memoir; he needs to experience a little diversity; get out among the goyim to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  292. geokat62 says:

    A bit OT. I just wanted to get Sam’s and iffen’s reaction to this new legislation – i.e., whether they support it:

    Senate Passes New Bill Targeting College Students Who Criticize Israel

    Anti-Semitism Awareness Act Aims to Broaden Department of Education Probes

    by Jason Ditz, December 02, 2016

    In a move intended to dramatically broaden Department of Education probes of colleges and universities who tolerate students that criticize Israel, the Senate today unanimously passed the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, which was passed with little debate or fanfare.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/02/senate-passes-new-bill-targeting-college-students-who-criticize-israel/

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
    , @geokat62
  293. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    iffen’s reaction to this new legislation – i.e., whether they support it

    1) I support religious freedom and separation of church and state. I am opposed to government intervention in the religious market to choose winners and losers.

    2) This demonstrates the value of having a good Lobby/lobby.

    3) If you go back to college, you may need to keep quiet.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  294. @Sam Shama

    “So Jews have the world by it’s tail, eh?”

    Get this Sam the Sham? Good news!

    The Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals (Central Committee) is arranging hotel accommodations for our New Years Eve party guest speaker… Alan Sobrosky.

    The local J.C.C. banquet room sort of has us “by the tail” and wants too much $ per person, so we are looking at Scranton’s Salvation Army Church to host this event.

    Will keep you posted, the Sham. Oh man, can you believe D.D.R. was a pussy riot hair away from booking Roger Waters for entertainment!

    Thank you.

  295. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hey Geo,

    Wow – just wow!

    “This is political Islam seeking to impose restrictions on free speech…”
    “Again, you’re looking to restrict my speech,” says Geller. “You don’t like the way I am doing something. Well I don’t like the way you’re doing things, but I would never look to change it, ever.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/05/pamela_geller_vs_foxs_maccallum_youre_looking_to_restrict_my_free_speech_maccallum_nobodys_looking_to_restrict_your_speech.html

    Translation: “Waaaah! Waaaah! Political Islam is different than political Judaism!”

    Free speech is a b* – isn’t it Geller?

    Peace.

  296. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Also, remember that the Brits helped the Saudis (with their Wahhabi allies) come to power and take control of the Hijaz and the oil fields.

    We couldn’t even say that they drew the lines with one eye on their own economic interests, we would have to say that they did it with both eyes wide open.

    During the Viet Nam era, I remember when I first came to understand that we had acquiesced in helping France re-establish control of her colonial empire. One of the first chinks in the armor that I faced up to. Of course there was the Cold War factor that mitigated it somewhat.

    • Replies: @Talha
  297. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    3) If you go back to college, you may need to keep quiet

    Understood your first two points, iffen. I was hoping you could elaborate a bit on your third – i.e., is it a good thing or a bad thing that I need to stay quiet if I returned to college?

    • Replies: @iffen
  298. Did Mein Kampf leave any doubts in your mind as to what Hitler’s plans for Europe were? My G’d man, e.g., his plan for Austria was laid out in the very opening pages!

    1. Is it your argument, Sam, that written words comprise a casus belli?

    Here’s what I was able to find of Hitler’s comments about Austria in the “very opening pages” of Mein Kampf. As we know, Hitler was born in Austria, so the very first chapter of MK relates the good fortune of his birth in Austria, the beauty of that place. Nevertheless, he hero-worshipped Bismark and the Bismarkian Empire, and held the :

    Old Austria was a national state that consisted of many states. At that time, someone who was a subject of the German Reich could not grasp what this fact meant to their daily life. After the great march of triumph by the army of heroes in the Franco-Prussian War, the Germans of the Reich had gradually become separated from German elements elsewhere. They did not understand the value or they were no longer aware of the value in it. The German-Austrians were too easily confused and as a result, the Imperial dynasty decayed along with the otherwise sound and healthy people.
    They did not understand that if the Germans had not been of the best blood, they would never have had the ability to impress their character on a state of fifty-two million Austrians. The mistaken idea took root, especially in Germany, that Austria was a German state. This was nonsense and the result had grave consequences, but it was still a brilliant tribute to the ten million Germans in the Ostmark, Austria because their small presence was perceived as a total ownership by distant Germans. Very few in the German Reich realized there was a constant struggle to preserve the German language, German schools, and German character in Austria.
    Today, this sad state of affairs has been forced upon millions of our people who dream of a common Fatherland while they sit under a foreign thumb and long to preserve the sacred mother tongue. Finally, people are beginning to realize what it means to fight for one’s
    nationality. And now, perhaps, a few here and there can appreciate the greatness of the German population in Ostmark, which through its own resources, shielded the Reich on the east for centuries, then waged an exhausting guerrilla war to maintain the German language frontier in an age when the Reich cared for colonies, but not for its own flesh and blood.

    and again

    The most remarkable thing about a language battle is that its waves beat hardest upon the schools. The war is waged over the next generation, and the first war-cry is to the children: “German boy, do not forget that you are a German”, and “German girl, remember that you are to be a German mother”.
    Anyone who understands the soul of youth will realize that young people will receive this battle-cry with joy. In a hundred ways they carry on the struggle in their own fashion and with their own weapons. They refuse to sing non-German songs; they are more enthusiastic over German heroes; the more they are suppressed, the more they go hungry in order to save pennies for the war-chest of their elders. They have an incredibly sensitive ear for a non- German teacher. They wear the forbidden badges of their own nation and are happy to be punished for it. In other words, they are a faithful image in miniature of their elders, except that their devotion is often stronger and more direct.

    When I was small, I too shared in the struggle for German nationality in old Austria. Money was collected for the South Mark German League by school associations. We wore cornflowers and black-red-gold badges proclaiming our beliefs. “Heil” was our greeting, and instead of the Imperial anthem, we would sing the German anthem, “Germany Above All”, despite threats of punishment. Young people were politically trained at a time when citizens of a so-called national state still knew very little about their own national character other than their language. I was not among the lukewarm even in those days. I was soon a fanatical German Nationalist. Of course, I do not refer to the present political party using that name.

    Next, Hitler mentions the Hapsburg empire, hated by most of it component parts, not least by Italians, whose aspirations for nationhood and unity were thwarted by the Austrian Hapsburg monarchs.

    SIDENOTE: It’s become fashionable to sling about the word, Fascism, as a slur upon anyone who disagrees with the speaker’s pov. Like most other ad hominems, this inapt usage of “Fascism” reflects a profound ignorance of history. The Italian people saw in Fascism a means to achieve national unity and prosperity. An obscure volume published in 1919 and titled, The holocaust : Italy’s struggle with the Hapsburg, author A A Pons details the struggles and the heroes who valued Italian language, culture and nationhood and, like Hitler and German nationals in Austria, worked persistently for their independence from Hapsburg domination.

    Back to Hitler’s “My G’d man . . . plan for Austria!”

    For me, only nationalism existed.
    Anyone who has not bothered to study the Hapsburg Monarchy (Austrian Royal Family) may find this strong nationalism puzzling. In Austrian schools, there is very little actual Austrian history worth mentioning. The fate of Austria is so completely intertwined in the Germanic life that it is unthinkable to separate history into German and Austrian. When Germany finally split into two spheres of authority, this very separation was German history.

    The insignia of former German Imperial splendor, displayed for all to see in Vienna, continued its spell as a reminder of our common and unending life together.

    The cry of the German people in Austria for a reunion with their German mother country when the Hapsburg state collapsed resulted from a deep ache that slept in the people’s hearts. They had never forgotten this longing to return to the home of their fathers. [like zionism, only German. -ed] This can only be explained through the history taught to German-Austrians, which made those nationalistic feelings grow. Their history is a fountain that never runs dry—a silent reminder in times when it is easier to forget. [One more reason why it is important for Americans to regain control of their own history from the clutches of ADL and the holocaust industry. - ed] Though we may be distracted by momentary prosperity, we hear the whispers of a new future by remembering the past.

    Hitler continues in this vein, valorizing German nationalism, bemoaning the suffering of ethnic Germans in separated Austria, reminding readers — and Germans — of the importance of their shared history as a common bond, more important than economic advances — Hitler believed that national unity was of primary importance and the source of shared prosperity, not the other way around. Maybe Hitler’s, and the German people’s, dedication to national unity rather than wealth generation is the source of Sam Shama’s exclamatory appeal to the g_ds: it’s a matter of what one considers most important in life, isn’t it? It’s worth noting that among the “western values” imposed on the German people through psychological warfare over a decade-long period after the war, were the attitudes of “capitalism and consumerism.” 9,000 German Jewish teenagers were trained at Fort Ritchie, Maryland, to carry out those and other acts of psychological warfare and propaganda against the German people. It is alleged that it was at Fort Ritchie that “U.S. Psychological Warfare Dept. SHAEF Brigidier General C.D. Jackson, a lifelong OSS/CIA strategist helped launch the Nazi gassing meme at Nuremburg using creative Hollywood film editing,” an assertion validated in the writings of Cora Sol Goldstein in “Capturing the German Eye.”

    oops, I’ve wandered off-topic; where were we?

    Oh, yes — “My G’d man, e.g., his [Adolf Hitler's] plan for Austria was laid out in the very opening pages!”

    Indeed.
    All that Jew-killing and gas chambering and world conquering and spreading godless something-or-other over all the earth — laid out right there in the very opening pages of Mein Kampf, a piece of writing encouraged and financed by a friend and lunch-companion of Franklin Roosevelt, who went on to provide financial support to Hitler and to join the Nazi party before repairing to Washington, DC, to keep FDR’s administration informed on the activities of the NSDAP.

    But Hitler was a crafty fellow: you see, he concealed all his Jew-killing and gas chambering and world-conquering in code words, like “nationalism,” and “German national unity.”

    If that’s not a casus belli I don’t know what is.

    Although, http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/iranophobes-on-parade/#comment-1669110 and
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/iranophobes-on-parade/#comment-1671133 use words to spell out something like a plan to carry out violent acts.

    (Sam — Your first point will be taken up in a later comment.)

  299. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    is it a good thing or a bad thing that I need to stay quiet if I returned to college

    I don’t have the patience that Sam demonstrates dealing with all of this sophistry and playing dumb.

    So, just this one time: It is a bad thing.

  300. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I don’t care a whit what you or anyone else thinks about this issue. I call it the way I see it practised by my friends and community. ADL does not speak for all jews on all subjects. I think you need to give your Hellenic passion for the truth thing a bit of a rest. Humans are flawed, and no one is an exception.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  301. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Which is why it is difficult for me to avoid blaming the actions of the Muslims at the time. Britain wanted to completely crush a rival empire – the Ottomans – and drive the nails in its coffin that was definitely a primary economic interest* of theirs. Can you imagine the powerhouse that Turkey would currently be with the oil fields of Iraq and Saudi in its grasp and the population including those of the Levant through Egypt? That’s what empires do to each other – no harm, no foul.

    Viet Nam…chinks

    Racist! ;)

    We are an empire in all but name – the first sign is our navy. Anybody who has studied military history (even on a surface level) knows it is not meant for defense.

    Peace.

    *Note: The British gave the French hell in Egypt and destroyed their fleet – decisively helping the Ottomans against Napoleon’s invasion which was based on securing French trade interests in the ME.

    • Replies: @iffen
  302. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    [Poor Sam Shama has spent too much time around Jews like the resentful Israelis of Sasson’s memoir; he needs to experience a little diversity; get out among the goyim to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully.]

    LOL. You don’t know me, for if you did, you wouldn’t make that comment. I work and live among goyim, not that I think of them as ‘goyim’; Most of my friends are Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. I socialise with them; I date a Christian girl; I go to Christmas parties.

    Speaking of whining, why am I constantly assaulted by a sound which can only be described as a monotonic whine, when I speak with you chaps?

    Have your lives been overtaken by an obsession?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @L.K
  303. @Sam Shama

    EDIT

    ADDENDUM

    (before Sam takes the opportunity to accuse S2C of willful blindness, cherry picking, Hitler-worship and pro-Nazi tendencies —)

    THE SMOKING GUN:

    Hitler’s plans for Austria, in the first part of Mein Kampf, man!

    “This insight was that the safety of German culture in Austria first required the destruction of Austria, and that feelings of nationalism have nothing to do with patriotism to an Imperial dynasty. The house of Hapsburg was destined to bring misery on the German nation.
    Even then, this realization created a warm love for my German Austrian homeland and a profound hatred for the Austrian state.

    Although Herr Hitler does not state in precise words that it was the destruction of the Austrian state that was required and that was his passion, it is reasonable to assume that that is what was intended, since he expressed his “love” for the Austrian homeland, but his “hatred” for the Austrian state.

    As noted earlier, with the reference to A A Pons’ work, Holocaust: Italy’s Struggle with the Hapsburg, Italian leaders, patriots and people shared Hitler’s hatred of the Austrian state (monarchy) and sought to extirpate Italy from Austrian domination, so anti-Austrian state sentiment was not unique to Germany, Hitler, or the NSDAP. Maybe it was something about the Hapsburg monarchy that was objected to by people with an intellectual tradition of republicanism (i.e. Machiavelli wrote powerfully of the demand for republican government in Florence; and Machiavelli developed his theories of republicanism through his visits to orderly and well-protected German states) ?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  304. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    to see how the other 88% competes collaboratively rather than resentfully

    Fortunately, less than 1% of the 88% are 88s. :)

  305. iffen says:
    @Talha

    you imagine the powerhouse that Turkey would currently be

    I am not competent on the subject, but it seems to me that the Turks did not have the will or ability to keep their empire up and running. It looks to me like they could easily have trouble keeping Turkey together.

    Chink. Good one. :)

  306. L.K says:
    @Sam Shama

    Shama:

    Most of my friends are Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. I socialise with them; I date a Christian girl; I go to Christmas parties.

    Even if all this is true, it does not change the fact that you are a zionist liar, and a jew supremacist tribalist.
    Such is self-evident from your idiotic, intellectually dishonest posts.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  307. @L.K

    oh, Sam; so sorry you had to be on the sharp end of that barb.

    I, too, have a circle of friends that includes Jews, Muslims, Iranians, Japanese, Chinese, and my dear Nigerian friend who is multilingual and makes fun of me when I try to learn basic Italian. I belong to a German Sister city organization (that disappoints me in that they’re more about parliamentary procedure than actually celebrating German ethnicity and culture, although Christmas is a splendid celebration with some of the most touching relics of German heritage that one can imagine).

    I don’t think there’s much to be gained from personal attacks on Jews — or Muslims, nor Iranians and especially not Italians: this latter is because Italians are notoriously mean to one another — a fabled saying for a Genoese is “Better death in the room than a Pisan at the door.” On the other hand, because da Jooish holocaust has taken so much oxygen out of the air, demanding always like that demented woman in the Saturday night live skits to always be the center of attention, that it’s extremely difficult to gain an understanding of Italian history, Italian war aims, and the authentic nature of fascism. Mind you, I have no love for Mussolini: he was the reason my grandparents lost their farm in Italy and migrated to the USA. But I still think any minimally informed American should understand what he/she is talking about when — or before — he shouts “Fascist!”

    But I believe with all the integrity that I can summon that the American people, and especially the German and other European people as well as Middle Easterners, have been very badly treated by the Jewish community, from ~1910 until today, with increasingly harmful impacts on U S society and culture.. When someone like David Engel, a scholar to the holocaust museum in DC, tells as many glaring lies as he does, then nothing he or any other element of that obscenity on Constitution Ave. is credible. I strenuously object to attaching “United States” to the holocaust museum, and to MSM referring to holocaust museum statements as if they were governmental decrees; they are pock-marked with lies that are a danger to the American people. It has to stop.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  308. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I think you need to give your Hellenic passion for the truth thing a bit of a rest. Humans are flawed, and no one is an exception.

    True enough, Sam. While I’m just as flawed as the next man, even if I tried, I can’t help myself, it’s a fire that burns deep inside of me.

    That’s why I haven’t forgotten that you didn’t bother responding to the query I put to you in comment #152:

    You don’t need to preface all your posts, Sam… one will do. Given all the death and destruction, do you [de]nounce the neocons’ project to remake the Middle East?

    I take it that your silence is a tacit indication that like Madalaine Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), you think the price is worth it.

    Now I know why you hesitate to admit that logic and reasoning do indeed form the foundations of moral principles. You would be caught in the contradiction of supporting actions that benefit Jews at the expense of the goy.

    I think that you subsribe to the underlying Zionist logic that says “look, what we are doing is no worse than what your forefathers did with the indigenous peoples of NA. Give us a bit of time to resolve this issue, as you did, and we will once again be at the vanguard of movements fighting for truth and justice. We will once again embrace our destiny to bring tikkun olam to the world.

    Do you recall the story of MP Gerald Kaufman. I noted, in a previous post, his exemplary behavior when he denounced the actions of the Zionist project in the British House of Commons. Even though his relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA.

    Do you recall how you responded, Sam?

    “Kaufman is a mensch, someone to emulate. People like him are few and far between.”

    I’ll leave you with one more story taken from the Hellenic past. Do you recall the story of Diogenes? He would be strolling the streets of Athens carrying a lantern during broad daylight. One day an Athenian stopped him and enquirer about the purpose of the lantern, to which Diogenes responded: “I’m looking for one honest person.”

    … and I’m on the constant lookout for a modern-day mensch.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  309. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    What barb? If you think I am thrown off-kilter by the reptile L.K.’s empty posts you are mistaken. But of course, I am quite willing to respond in kind when that imbecile slithers into view with yet another predictably feeble post.

    So here we are L.K., just to help your nausea and insanity along, I am a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist. Feel worse? I am glad and now fuck off back into the hole from whence you appeared.

    Now S2C, I hear your regrets about what you perceive to be a less than desirable cultural, intellectual and moral state of the American people and polity, strapped with a dysfunctional Washington, steeped in Hollywood, silicon valley gadgets and lives which for the greater part must only be described as unfulfilling. You say the people are uninformed. Perhaps so, but I submit that people care to be informed only insofar as their daily circumstance are met, not particularly moved by the profundities of international affairs and most certainly not by debates on the finer points of Fascism, these being the concerns of the intellectual class of which you are a signatory. You are surely aware the Founding Fathers founded the electoral college system to shield the Presidency from the whims of the masses. In short, this state of affairs has always existed and perpetuated by design: Hollywood is only the newer, digital version of entertainment and information packaging which replaced popular novels and home-town pantomimes.

    Let the people remain happy won’t you?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Chuck Orloski
  310. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I am not a modern-day mensch, only an ordinary fellow observing the world and the march of time. I am afraid Diogenes, you’ll need to look elsewhere for your man.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  311. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Warmer!” as Alec Baldwin remarked on behalf of the Donald.

  312. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    the finer points of Fascism

    Would this be something like, “High top boots are required attire because one never knows when one will have to shoot a thousand prisoners in the head and the blood can overtop the six inch style boot”?

  313. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    …you’ll need to look elsewhere for your man.

    Duly noted, Sam, duly noted.

  314. @Sam Shama

    “Hollywood is only the newer version of entertainment and information packaging which replaced popular novels and hometown pantomines.”

    Times got weird and weirder in American parlors since TV shut down stuff like “Dragnet” and six months prior to 9-11, Americans got “The Lone Gunman” (trailer-linked below) produced by Arnon Milchan who, like you profess, is also “a proud zionist and a Jewish supremacist.”

    Hear me out, Sam the Sham? In the “Lone Gunman trailer,” a wise fool picks up a newspaper, addresses a young guy w/ a conscience, and calls it “birdcage bottom liner.” Millions of people that you erroneously consider “uniformed” would be honored to be a Pigeon, stationed upon a telephone wire, and make timely discharge when you “whimsically” walk beneath.

    To S2C: Given your penchant for upholding civility here, please let me extend p.p.m. regrets for unloading (so low) on Sam the Sham, but I am dead serious. Problem is that, upon having made surgical strike contact, the pigeon would get sickened by seeing the sorrowful place where it’s poop landed, and immediately “coo” out for a Haz Mat Team response in order to get its shit properly packaged & placed into an Infectious Waste red bag and bio box.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  315. @iffen

    don’t be insulting, iffen.

    Fascists are efficient doncha know; this was industrialized mass slaughter not the Chicago stock yards, and anyway, shoe polish was at a premium: killees were marched into pits before shooting.

    But that was old tech, after all; Start Up Nation devised even greater efficiencies

    http://photobucket.com/images/IDF%20′One%20Shot%20Two%20Kills’%20T-shirt%20depicting%20pregnant%20Palestinian%20woman

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  316. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    No, those would be the finer features of fairly fake Fascist fashion.

  317. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    [Hear me out, Sam the Sham? In the “Lone Gunman trailer,” a wise fool picks up a newspaper, addresses a young guy w/ a conscience, and calls it “birdcage bottom liner.” Millions of people that you erroneously consider “uniformed” ]

    I heard you Chuck the dumb-fuck. Read my passage carefully once again to clear your reading comprehension. I did not consider them uninformed.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Chuck Orloski
  318. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    offensive shirts printed for the few demented idiots, banned by IDF’s units and official producers. Could you prevent anyone in the U.S to have a custom stamped shirt?

  319. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Fascists are efficient doncha know … killees were marched into pits before shooting.

    I don’t believe your claim of efficiency is valid. My understanding is that there was a very steep learning curve and no Nazi wunderkinds showed up. Thousands and thousands of exhumations from mass graves (high top boots definitely required) with the remains then incinerated. Later some genius (?) figured out that it would be simpler to burn the people first then bury the ashes, rather than shoot, bury, exhume, burn, bury.

  320. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    to clear your reading comprehension

    I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.

  321. @Sam Shama

    “Read my passage carefully to clear your reading comprehension.”

    I like my reading comprehension just the way it is. You are just another cheap uptown Jew capable of writing deceptively well — but without a conscience.

    As if your branding me a “bacterial stain” was insufficient to date, I am unimpressed when you call me a “dumb fuck,” but such might be a good thing for us to talk about if we ever happen to meet. (Old time Catholics used to say, “G_d works in strange ways.”

    Remember how the W. Bush administration shrugged-off Rules of Engagement with Iraqi resistance warriors, and designated them “non-combatant” prisoners; uncovered by Geneva Conventions? If you and me ever come face-to-face, I promise to honorably consider you as a “bad hombre” agent of an Occupying power.

    Comprende, Sam the Sham?

  322. @iffen

    “I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.”

    Iffen,

    What’s lacing N.Y. Governor Cuomo’s Happy Hour cocktails? Or maybe it’s really top shelf Israeli processed & distributed heroin that he indulges?

    Another question: How can a Catholic (Zionist puppet) N.Y. governor decide where government funds can be spent? Answer: It’s called, HOW TO BETRAY THE TRUST OF COMMON AMERICAN’S AND ADVANCE IN ZIO-U.S. POLITICS.

    Please look at boozy Jerusalem Post article, below, iffen?

    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/NY-Gov-blacklists-BDS-businesses-474328

  323. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Later some genius (?) figured out that it would be simpler to burn the people first than bury the ashes, rather than shoot, bury, exhume, burn , bury.

    Iffen… Do you really know what you are saying? Your statement is giving credibility to Holocaust revisionism. Do you really believe it was possible to burn four million Jews at the Auschwitz labor camp in 15 brick pizza ovens? Ovens, at best, that could only accommodate two bodies at a time. If your story is true, the Germans would still be burning corpses today.

    This really doesn’t sound like the German geniuses, who’s technology has made it possible for missions to Mars.

    Operating pizza ovens around the clock, would render them unserviceable. The brick ovens would crumble from the constant heat. In addition, thousands of tons of coal would be needed to fuel the ovens. Where are the photos in the Holohoax museum in Washington D.C., displaying the giant piles of coal at the so called extermination camps? Initially after the camp was liberated, the US psychological warfare department put on a display of soap made from Jewish fat, lampshades made of Jewish flesh and Jewish shrunken heads. Is this still part of the official Holocaust story? Is this still belivable?

    There’s lack of evidence of mass murder by gassing and the existence of massive burial pits at the labor camp crime scene. There isn’t one autopsy of a dead inmate who died from Zyklon B and there is no photos of the massive pit’s disturbed excavated land. Why?

    The buried ashes have no traces of Zyklon B? Did the German geniuses use a death ray to vaporized the bones of the dead before reburying the ashes? Today, scientist can determine what the Roman gladiators ate before dying in the colosseum. No bone fragments we can test?

    Jewish inmates claim gas was dispensed through shower heads into death chambers disguised as showers. To force gas through piping in order to reach shower heads, it would have required a massive pump. Why no photos of the pumps? Why no pumps at the Holocaust museum. The Jewish manned US psychological warfare team did a thorough job of photo graphing emaciated starving inmates and piles of personal belongings of shoes, cloths and luggage. However, they failed miserably to photo document the instruments used to commit industrialized mass murder. Why?

    I could site numerous other forensic facts that would completely debunk the official Holocaust story, but for now let’s leave this subject with the following:

    The forensic facts do not support the official Holocaust story. This is why the international Jewish community has pushed for the criminalization of Holocaust revisionism.

    TRUTH DOESN’T NEED LAWS TO PROTECT IT.” Laws criminalizing Holocaust revisionism are laws intended perpetuate the Holohoax.

    The Jewish exterminationists should settle on Holocaust Revisionism. If they don’t, Holocaust denying will gain ground and take hold. Iffen…. Instead of disseminating Holocaust myths, you should spend more time advocating for a complete professional criminal investigations into the Jewish myth of industrialized mass murder.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Anon
  324. @Anon

    WOW.. Anon!

    You put your finger on it perfectly.

    iffen and Sam the Sham have great talents for shifting article comments to their turf;, in this case for example, world oil production and speculation.

    In future, I wish the honorable geokat22 and S2C would stop both iffen and Sam the Sham in their tracks from, when (as typical) they’re in intellectual and moral trouble,and constantly move the “turf” to their home field advantage. Keep them on topic and on a neutral playing field, and commenters never have to play “away.”

    A reminder that P. Giraldi’s article was about “Iranophobes on Parade.” I actually feel sorry for how iffen brought up the Holocaust and how discouraged (suicidal) he must be after getting clawed by Anon’s buzz saw TRUTH, which “does not need protection.”

    Tel Aviv Calling Sam the Sham to iffen’s rescue! Post a comment quick! iffen’s in worse shape than the car salesman who, in the academy award film “Fargo” ended up in a wood chipper.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  325. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    “I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE BEER AT THE HALL”

    I think there is something in Matzah Balls on the high unholy days.

    Iffen…. Name one Jewish holy holiday that is celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth.

    Every Jewish holiday commentates the outcome of wars against their Gentile
    neighbors that ended in their favor. Their holidays are not religious in nature. They are nationalistic revenge rituals. These rtituals are celebrated by Jews around the world. Throughout history, Jews are always running for their lives from their deranged and demented neighbors. Miraculously their God, who was in the real estate business and gave them (chosen) a promised land, always intervenes on their behalf and saves them. More importantly, their God gives the Jews their just revenge and vanquishes their enemies.

    Iffen….. Do you think I can get these magical Matzah balls at the infamous NAZI soup kitchen that the brilliant, most clever man on TV, Jerry Seinfeld always raves about?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  326. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    I notice this all the time. I think there must be something in the beer at the hall.

    Like I always say, we’re just The Dumb Goy… struggling to keep up with those with the 200+ IQs. Sam was willing to offer up his +7σ score… how many sd above the mean are you, iffen.. 8, 9?

    • Replies: @iffen
  327. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Even David Irving now agrees with the official estimate, and he has no special love for Jews.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  328. “Iffen… Name one Jewish holiday that’s celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth.”

    You have me stumped her, Anon. I am anxious to read either Iffen’s or Sam the Sham’s response.

    Were I one of them, and thank G- d that’s not the case, here is how I’d reply to your points:

    “Anon — you scum sucking & spineless nazi! So you think the Jews are 98% assholes bent on revenge against brainless enemies, eh? I know you are a lazy f&ucking bacterial strain, but why don’t you read “Crowds & Power,” a book written by a famous Jew, Elias Canetti? He provides a great chapter called has “Islam as a religion of War.”

    “So listen here you neo-nazi Zyklon B-astard — Elias Canetti quotes The Koran (ugh), the book of the prophet and inspired by (ugh) Allah: “When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them.”

    How do you like those infidel Matzah balls… dumb fuck? You are too stupid to appreciate the fact that businesslike (Synagogue of Satan) Zionists have taken over the U.S.A. instead of CIA-managed amateur ragheads who can not even blow off False Flag bombs in downtown Boston without getting caught on goofy CNN cameras! What’s more, you’re not even a worthy Gethsemane tree-hugging phony like the new Pope! (sigh) I pray that a negro wrestling team bangs you while you bend over to turn on stupid X-mas lights, anon! Get f$ucked, I am off to another Unz article!

    Sam the Sham

    Anyway, although iffen is imminently capable of seeing the world from inside a grain of a Matzah ball, I (Chuck O.) did the best I could to recommend the above as a working blueprint for Sam the Sham. I trust he will not actually bolt to another Unz article? now.

    • Replies: @Talha
  329. @Anon

    David Irving is an historian so I’m not sure he’s in the “special love” business. Where did you get the idea he’s supposed to be? Any historian who is in the “special love” business is not a real historian anyway but merely a propagandist.

    Real historians research as many relevant facts as they can and attempt to assemble them in a factually based narrative. People can accept that or refute it with additional research. Making the work of any historian illegal violates the founding principle of the United States and should trigger increased interest in the outlawed subject matter. David Irving has been victimised and harassed to a shocking degree whether you agree with him or not and what he says in that clip is like watching the testimony of a tortured man.

    If you really have an interest in the numbers I believe that around 55 million deaths occurred during WWII, all of them tragic and likely avoidable. These vast military machines weren’t assembled from hot air and speeches alone and they take vast enterprises of materials and labour which take time and huge resources to bring together.

    So who exactly planned, financed and agitated for this to happen and why? That should be your question.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Anon
  330. @Sam Shama

    If the biggest key for material success is persistence why dilute that factor with: “…at a minimum it reflects cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism and probably a bit of sadism as well.” ?

    That’s easy; why do you need it explained to you, especially when you yourself made the following statement?:

    I don’t consider that humans suck on account of their traits or failings; those are every bit, part of being human.

    Or are the “Chosen Ones” not human?

    PS: Have you ever read Josephus’ “Antiquities?” If so, you have a clue that the guys with the mostest were usually some of the most disgusting humans ever. You may want to brush up on yer buddy, King Herod ,if you think that material success is mostly due, as you say, to “aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune.”

    As for your smarmy comment about “anecdotes,” the pages of history (especially including Josephus’ works) are full of them. Anecdotes? Do you even know what the word means?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  331. Humans are flawed, and no one is an exception.

    But the materially successful ones are, nevertheless, less flawed than the rest of us beasts of burden? Their successes are mostly due to “aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune,”and could not possibly have anything to do with flaws such as lying, murdering, and theft?

    Keep trying!

    PS: Here are a couple of Balzac-like (Behind every great fortune is a great crime.)”anecdotes” for you to consider.

    Virtue cannot dwell with wealth either in a city or in a house.

    - Stobaeus, iv. 31c. 88

    “…wealth is no proof of moral character; nor poverty of the want of it. On the contrary, wealth is often the presumptive evidence of dishonesty; and poverty the negative evidence of innocence.”

    THOMAS PAINE, DISSERTATION ON FIRST-PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENT, 1795

    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004809392.0001.000/1:2?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

    • Replies: @Talha
  332. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Greasy there is enough space in Judea and Samaria for us to live in peace with Palestinians, a people related to us

    Israel is a great modern country, and we are leaps ahead in the economic/scientific development scale than many others, certainly in the ME…

    Every country has its own record of human rights violations and Israel is not alone in this regard, yet it is incumbent upon us to maintain as spotless a record as we can for all the obvious reasons, humanity not least.

    Your choice of personal pronouns has confused me, Sam. IIRC, didn’t both you and Greasy declare previously that you were American citizens?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  333. @NoseytheDuke

    “So who exactly planned, financed and agitaded for this to happen and why? That should be your question.

    Nosy theDuke,

    “anon” has delivered superb points on the Holohoax, a topic which “iffen” entered into this article titled, “Iranophobes on Parade.”

    Since iffen has yet to offer a response to “anon” who has expended much intellectual & moral energy, I respectfully ask why don’t to answer your own question, above, and let “anon” possibly make follow up. Honor him/her with a short holiday on this thread?

    Otherwise, I humbly suggest waiting for either iffen or Sam the Sham’s response to “anon,” and until then, turn our “defense” turrets to P. Giraldi’s new & very timely article posted on The Unz Review, called “Fake News vs. No News.”

    Thanks NoseytheDuke for key insight inon the illegality of “any historian’s work… being made illegal. ” As you know, It’s FALSE NEWS, especially the variant that facilitates the U.S. going to unnecessary wars that should be made illegal and subject to prosecution in a court that is not Zio-kangaroo certified.

  334. @Sam Shama

    Israel is a great modern country, and we are leaps ahead in the economic/scientific development scale than many others, certainly in the ME.

    What accounts for that? Roughly what proportion is due to “work and aptitude?”

    Why do statists invariably point to material success to indicate “greatness?”

    Do these thoughts apply, or do they not to the mafia-like state you so staunchly defend?

    I say that our New World democracy, however great a success in uplifting the masses out of their sloughs, in materialistic development, products, and in a certain highly-deceptive superficial popular intellectuality, is, so far, an almost complete failure in its social aspects, and in really grand religious, moral, literary, and esthetic results. In vain do we march with unprecedented strides to empire so colossal, outvying the antique, beyond Alexander’s, beyond the proudest sway of Rome…It is as if we were somehow being endow’d with a vast and more and more thoroughly-appointed body, and then left with little or no soul.

    Walt Whitman (1819–1892). Prose Works. 1892.

  335. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Like I always say, we’re just The Dumb Goy

    I always view what you have to say with skepticism, but you repeat this so often and with such conviction …. :)

    how many sd above the mean are you, iffen

    I fret about my IQ even less than I worry about what dem Jews are up to.

    Let’s just say that it is high enough that I am aware that it is fixed and that I didn’t have anything to do with setting it.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  336. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    With all due respect, I have never seen Sam try to detract from the discussion on Israel by pulling one of those random Spencer/Geller-like out-of-context references to the Qur’an or the like. I have seen plenty of other people try to pull that crap – and I call them out on it if I have time, but Sam has a much more respectful attitude towards Islam than I can say for many of the posters on UNZ.

    I’ve read a few excerpts of Canetti’s take on Islam; not impressed at all. Perhaps I would be more impressed if I read everything, but the appetizer didn’t make me long for the full course. He would have benefited from a more thorough study of its doctrines and history. He seems to do a lot of glossing over and summation without citation for his opinion. Opinions are opinions; everyone’s got one.

    May God grant you many more safe years on your routes – especially during the wintry roads.

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  337. Sam Shama says:
    @Anonymous

    […. Name one Jewish holy holiday that is celebrated by Jews around the world where they pray for the brotherhood of man and lasting peace on earth.]

    Are you Jewish? If so you appear to know little of any meaning on Jewish holidays, holy days or prayers. I was weighing whether one should respond – the obliviousness of this post being rather daunting – but in the end, I decided you wrote in good faith within the limits of your knowledge. So here are some examples:

    1. The most frequent and obvious one is the Shabbat holiday, observed every week, where Jews are required to observe the mitzvah of tzedekah which places on every Jew the obligation to right the injustices of society. One of the ways we do this is by contributing money to help individuals or groups in need themselves, or, engaged in helping others.

    2. In the Ma’ariv portion of Shabbat evening prayers, there is a special one entitled Ahavat Olam, which means love for the world around us. The meaning should be obvious.

    3. Yom Kippur, the day of atonement and the most important holy day, is preceded by Erev Yom Kippur, the eve of Kippur. On Yom Kippur forgiveness is asked of G’d, but arguably more important is the forgiveness asked of one’s fellow men on the eve of Kippur.

  338. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey JS,

    Sweet quote by T. Paine – love it! Going to save it for future reference.

    Peace.

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  339. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Thank you for bolstering my post.

    “So who exactly planned, financed and agitated for this to happen and why?”

    I sense you already know the answer to this important question.

    When I am faced with a question that someone already knows the answer, I always respond with a question.

    Who did Charles Lindeberg blame in his last American First speech?

    Who negotiated the Versile Treaty after WW1?, and benefited the most from the war?

    What is the name of the main boulevard in Tel Aviv?

    Who did Mel Gibson blame for all the wars in a drunken rage ?

    Sorry…. You only get four hints.

  340. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    Your temper seems to have curdled.

    I did not define success as solely material, yet I remain circumspect of talk suffused with ‘an elevation-of-the-soul-over-riches‘ class of trope . Generally fos – no calumny intended here – those who constantly invoke that angle.

    Our worldview is different as evident from what we each wrote, notably in that I do not consider “…cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism” to be as important, certainly nowhere near as pervasive in the generality, as work, ability and a bit of luck.

    As to Josephus’ Antiquities, I have not read it, nor am I about to in the near future, the point of your reference likely a censure or sermon on the moral decrepitude of the wealthy.

    If you thought my earlier comment smarmy, I find yours smacking of bitterness.

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  341. @Talha

    “… Sam has a much more respectful attitude towards Islam than I can say for many posters on Unz Review.”

    Talha,

    You are a decent person and it’s a pleasure to exchange thought with you.

    In contrast to your opinion, I truly value Elias Canetti’s very perceptive book, “Crowds & Power,” but my pm school bus run starts at 2 pm, and I don’t have time to go into the uniqueness of this great work which was not intended to be a study of Islamic history and doctrines. “Crowds and Power” demands quite a bit from readers, but is is rewarding.

    One thought on Sam’s “respectful attitude for Islam.” I winced when I first read your take, and I can only hope his attitude is one part-per-million more respectful than the U.S. General who stated, “our god is better than their God.”

    Respectfully speaking, I know you were involved with commenting on P.G.’s “9-11 Truth” which went > 1,000 comments. There one can return to & document Sam’s evasiveness to my having brought up the forensic research and findings of Christopher Bollyn in his brave book, “Solving 9-11.”

    But let’s stay closer to this particular “thread” where Sam Shama tried to entice the smart “geokat22″ into overlooking the great power & nefarious influence of oil speculators.

    Also, one can note how Sam Shama (above) avoided “anon” who made top notch points on how it is in Zionist Supremacists immediate best interest to acknowledge Holocaust Revisionism.

    Very nice of you to say “God grant you many safe years…” We Byzantine Catholics sing this during anniversary celebrations for old bucks like my me. Thank you, must go bussing!

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    , @Sam Shama
  342. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Talha,

    Another chink in the armor for me was brought into focus this week. I really dislike the types that destroy Buddhas in Afghanistan or shrines in Timbuktu. I am sure you do as well. I realized that my religious antecedents, in their iconoclastic fury, destroyed not just the relics and bones of saints, but many paintings and statuaries, some of which were several hundred years old.

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  343. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    There is a phrase for what you tried to do here: isn’t it called being too clever by half? Besides what’s a Canuck ……

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  344. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    “Our worldview is different ” => “our worldviews are different”

  345. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Good points. As you probably know, Islam has always been iconoclast in ethos. However, the idiots/extremists of today don’t seem to realize that the smashing of the idols in the Kaaba was a specific and historic act – not simply to be reproduced in every environment that one comes to. The earliest generation realized that, which is why the fools of today are busy smashing the very history that the earliest generations left alone.

    And it’s not just statues, these people want to burn down our literary heritage as well:
    “Hallé Ousmani Cissé told the Guardian that al-Qaida-allied fighters on Saturday torched two buildings that held the manuscripts, some of which dated back to the 13th century.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-ancient-manuscripts

    Honestly don’t know what makes these guys tick- “Yeah – we need to make Islam victorious – let’s burn down its libraries!” They remind me of people who riot in their own city after their team wins – “Wooo Boston! We’re the best! Let’s burn this town down!”

    Some people get it though; Borobudur is the largest Buddhist temple in the world and sits calmly in the middle of Muslim-dominated Java. They even left stuff like this standing for the last 500+ years:

    http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/indonesia-java-central-java-province-candi-high-res-stock-photography/154771909

    Peace.

  346. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Thanks for the kind words. I always find comment threads more fruitful as dialogue and learn much more that way especially over topics that one can really open up about due to the protection anonymity affords. And yes, I have exchanged with Sam before – he is far more respectful than General Boykin.

    I have heard good things about that particular book from others (for understanding the almost-schizophrenic states crowds can achieve) so I’ll check it out if I have time even if his analysis on Islam is lacking. No one’s perfect – can’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    Peace.

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  347. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Trouble with you Chuck is that while I sense you are a good chap, salt of the earth and all that, it is useful to approach each topic/sub-topic/OT thread with an empty canvas – in a manner of speaking. My conversation with geek at was simply an exercise in demonstrating that oil price increase over 2004-2008 was more driven by fundamental/structural factors while speculators [motivated by whatever factors] could only affect very short-term movements in derivatives, i.e. iow, long-term spot prices emerge from pure supply and demand. You’ll see that if you go through the thread and the article by Menzie Chin I had linked to.

    The topic of 9/11 has been debated ad nauseum at this webzine, with Ron Unz himself, finally, weighing in on the barminess of some individuals. I find the topic a fruitless endeavour in the final analysis.

    For you to gain satisfaction on 9-11, I reckon you’ll need to wait for Jonathan Revusky’s next tome. It gets quite interesting…..

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    , @Chuck Orloski
  348. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    2nd sentence, line 3 should read “geokat” instead of “geek at”. I was not paying attention to the benighted word checker!

  349. @Sam Shama

    “… it is useful to approach each topic/sub-topic/OT thread with an empty canvas — in a manner of speaking.”

    Sam,

    Very good that we hit this canvas, start anew, and address one another without resort to name calling. Some Jesuits insist that once human language hits such “fruitless” (vulgar) stage, one’s character tends to get rotten.

    Sine you have dialogued with the intelligent “anon” regarding special Jewish celebrations — ones I frankly never heard about — I will convey something about my world view.

    As a Byzantine Catholic since January 1952, I can approach some topics as an “empty canvas” but, for one example, as all humans face death, a.k.a., “The thief who comes unexpectedly in the night,” I look at individual human life in its totality…, and I find it very hard to BELIEVE humans leave our physical existence without having compiled a track record.

    In other words, for me (!), when humans “kick the bucket,” our life action and choices are not an “empty canvas.” As I understand matters from a New Testament perspective, Jewish Pharisees believe in afterlife, and Sadduccees do not. Later when I’m not watching “The Andy Griffith Show” on METV, I turn to read Pierre Telihard de Chardin’s book “Divine Milieu.” 1,000 comment exchange still orbiting around P. Giraldi’s “9-11 Truth.”

    I agree with you, no doubt, 9-11 continues to be “debated ad nauseum.” That should not be the case! As you’re aware, the function of the U.S. Department of Justice, including the F.B.I. is to (forensically) investigate the crime and arrive at judgements based upon facts. Why did 9-11 become a “closed case” according to Ehud Barak just hours after the (3) Towers fell?

    Since an informal armistice is reached, I won’t embarrass you by attaching Barak’s insane words to B.B.C. on You Tube.

    I understand how you feel Jonathan Revusky’s “next tome” will give me “satisfaction.” However, to date, and as you know, Christopher Bollyn’s book, “Solving 9-11,” gave me much more than mere “satisfaction.” Again, as you know, human “satisfaction” can get fickle. At age 64, mine will not, Sam, and ideally Mr. Revusky will deliver something more than”interesting.” We have nothing to lose but our souls.

    Politics, especially as you noted the “international” variant, can rarely enter into a conversational as a dove. To finally end this comment, P. Giraldi’s present article, “Iranophobes on Parade” (at best) entered into the Unz Review as a hawk seeking understanding. I think “anon” gave us some fresh dove meat to chew, and for that too I am grateful!

  350. @Talha

    “… can’t throw out the baby with the bath water.”

    ha-ha, Talha. My late-parents used to say such, and as I reflect upon my “Terrible 2′s,” perhaps mom & dad wanted to throw me out, in addition to the dirty bath water.

    Thanks for recalling General Boykin’s name! I actually prefer U.S. military officers who say what they mean , instead of words which gets them promoted. But then again, (sigh), there’s the concern with Donald Trump’s appointing “Mad Dog” Mattis as Secretary of (Offensive) Defense.

    (Note: I really dig the old Don McLean song “Vincent;” especially the beautiful lyric, “the world was not meant for someone as beautiful as him”)

    Good night, pax in terra!

  351. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Besides what’s a Canuck ……

    Precisely my point, Sam. What is a Canuck? The intent of my comment wasn’t to appear too clever by half… you know me better than that. No, it was my lame attempt to put on the table a serious topic for discussion – i.e., what is an American, Canadian, or Australian.

    Being from Canada, I had accepted, without any critical thought, the prevailing view put forth by the current PM’s father – i.e, that Canada is comprised of its many ethnic communities and should be proud of its diversity. We considered ourselves a “cultural mosaic” and looked down upon America’s “melting pot.”

    But after reading several articles and seeing several commenters here at Unz express their views on this topic, I’ve started questioning some of my earlier presuppositions.

    For example, I recall one of Joe Webb’s previous derogatory comments regarding multiculturalism, and how he painted a bleak picture of the future, if things continued on the same path we’re currently on. I initially dismissed his comment, suggesting that if things didn’t work out for the Europeans, they could always just sail back from whence they came.

    Since posting that comment, however, I have been doing some further research – especially into the wellsprings of popular culture, better known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism. Most Americans are unaware that the founders of Critical Theory, the theory that underpins political correctness, are a small group of intellectuals associated with the Frankfurt School. And the person who has done the most research on this topic is professor Kevin MacDonald. While I’ve just started reading his Culture of Critique, I’ve finished reading his essay, THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL OF SOCIAL RESEARCH AND THE ORIGINS OF THE THERAPEUTIC STATE, A Case Study of Jewish Intellectual Activism.

    Here’s what he has to say about the theories put forth by the FS’s two leading members:

    The priority of the moral and political agenda of Critical Theory is essential to understanding the Frankfurt School and its influence. Horkheimer and Adorno eventually rejected the classical Marxist perspective on the importance of class struggle for the development of fascism, and went on to develop the view that both fascism and capitalism involved domination and authoritarianism. And they claimed to find the roots of domination and authoritarianism in disturbed parent-child relations.

    So what anti-Semites are really afraid of is being castrated by their fathers for wanting to engage in homosexual behavior. (Not even Freud came up with this one.) Emotionally, anti-Semites are little children forced to obey their fathers, resulting in intense aggressive feelings directed at Jews. At the same time that he is behaving aggressively toward Jews, the anti-Semite projects his own aggressiveness onto the Jews, so that it is the Jews who are described as aggressive, not himself.

    And what is the overarching vision of Critical Theory:

    The conclusion is that if the rulers in fact allowed the ruled to be like the Jews, there would be a fundamental turning point of history. The end of anti- Semitism becomes a precondition for the development of a utopian society and the liberation of humanity—perhaps the closest that the Frankfurt School ever came to defining utopia. The envisioned utopian society is one in which Judaism can continue as a cohesive group but in which cohesive, nationalistic groups of non-Jewish Europeans are banned in the interests of achieving mental hygiene. Thus we see the origins of the therapeutic state in the West.

    And how is any of this connected to your question of: What is a Canuck?:

    This strand of theory is actually an early form of multiculturalism, in which the continued existence of Jews in a climate of tolerance has become a criterion of the moral worth of a society. According to this view, the unique role of Judaism in world history is to vindicate the concept of diversity against the homogenizing forces thought to represent the essence of Western civilization. Judaism thus represents the antithesis of Western universalism. The continuation and acceptance of Jewish particularism becomes a precondition for the development of a utopian society of the future.

    http://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n1/61-MacDonald.pdf

    So, before reading Prof MacDonald’s essay, like most people, I had no idea where the concept of multiculturalism had come from and who was responsible for promoting it. It seemed harmless enough on the surface. But now that the origins of this concept have been exposed, I’m not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do… or any Western country for that matter. If these nations stay on their current course, their future will be one of chronic conflict between different racial/ethnic groups. Not a bright future.

    So, to answer your question, Sam, a Canuck, American, or Australian should be someone who is proud of his European culture, history, and identity and should fight vigorously to salvage it before it’s too late.

    That’s my definition of a Canuck, Sam. And that’s my definition of a Yankee. I guess it all boils down to iffen’s earlier remark: “I have no hostility toward the right of the Germans to an ethno nation state, then or now.”

    My hope, Sam, is that more Europeans (both inside and outside Europe) will stop worshipping at the feet of the false God of multiculturalism and re-embrace their culture, history, and identity… before it’s too late.

  352. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    I always view what you have to say with skepticism…

    So we do have something in common, after all.

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  353. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    something in common

    Hmmm, and all this time I thought of you as a patriot like me.

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  354. @geokat62

    “… I’m not so sure that embracing multiculturalism was the right thing for Canada to do… or any other Western country for that matter.”

    geokat62,

    I am glad you have started research into the Frankfort school and it’s dangerous migration into Columbia University — which in the recent past “anon” most graciously commented upon and in addition, I believe “anon” provided a educational article “link.” (Note: I’m pretty sure it was “anon” who had done us such servus, and I regret it if I am mistaken”)

    At any rate, and similar to Globalization/Free Trade agreements, multiculturalism was foisted upon western countries by faux leaders who have abandoned most human qualities (virtues) which distinguishes them as “great.”

    I perfectly understand you’d prefer kicking the matter of multiculturalism around with Sam Shama, but this popular & overwhelming concept has an Eastern side to the canvas. I’ll do my best to explain, geokat62.

    Christianity originated in the eastern Mediterranean basin. St. Cyril & Methodius traveled to Russia and translated the New Testament into Cyrillac, the alphabet used by Russians, and other Slavs. As a Byzantine Catholic bible thumper, I want to start by citing a brief passage from out of my Greek language bible which focuses upon nations and God’s final judgement:

    “When the Son of Man comes as king, he will sit on his royal throne and all the nations will be gathered before him… divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”

    Isn’t it interesting how this passage indicates people of the earth must undergo divine judgement as nations? As a student of 19th & 20th century Russian literature, I was consistently struck by how revered writers of the time focused upon the critical need for individual and nationwide repentance before God. Even Ivan Turgenev’s atheist-anarchist hero & medical doctor, “Bazarov” from “Fathers and Sons” called Russia to a glory of one’s rising above personal greed, avarice , etcetera.

    Just last year, please recall how Pope Francis called for nations to accept refugees from Middle East and N. African nations, and too conveniently, chose not to explain the U.S./Zionist wars which caused the massive migration of besieged people. One peculiarity is the fact that the Russian Orthodox patriarch did not join in with the Pope’s (zionist endorsed) plan for a multicultural western Europe. Close to both the Russian Orthodox Church and also P.M. Netanyahu, President Vladimir Putin avoided opening Russia’s doors to War on Terror (Islamic) refugees.

    geokat62, I admire your endeavors to study and take note how Europeans are conditioned to “worship at the feet of a False God.” Eventually those with open minds, i.e. yours, will come to know the historical-political truth, however painful it is. So I want to give you a reading advisory on an essay called “Repentance and Self-Limitations in the Life of Nations,” written by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. (Note: The essay’s included in A.S.’s book “Under the Rubble,” and it’s essay is accessible via Google search)

    Sine the attack on U.S.S. Liberty, the non-investigation into the shooting down of TWA Flight 800, and the 9-11 False Flag attacks, I have reasonably faulted, (like millions of others), Zionist control of the U.S. government, academia, and the M.S.M. Unless proven wrong, I will continue to do so until I’m carried up to Rooster Hill. However, the quotation (below) by Solzhenitsyn will forever gnaw at me, a small town American, who listens to Trump’s promise to “Make America Great Again”:

    “It may turn out that we (as a nation) are already incapable of following the path of our dreams, reaching out and acknowledging our mistakes, our sins, our crimes. In that case there is no moral escape route from the pit into which we have fallen. And every other way out is illusory, no more than social delusion.”

    geokat62, the final sentence in Solzhenitsyn’s “Repentance & Self-Limitation” is this: “And it does not change, the club of Rome has done the arithmetic: we have less than a hundred years to live.” Given U.S. endless war and economic hardships, how long do we (290 million?) have to live as a highly DIVIDED nation under Deep State rule? By renewal of a JFK initiative, maybe President Trump will call for The Lobby (AIPAC) repentance and make them register as a foreign agent?

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  355. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Each one of us is entitled to pursue, observe and celebrate a cultural tradition of our choice. I believe that there is a simpler explanation for all the white angst, which in truth is not a grain more different from the English angst against the Irish etc arriving on these shores in the centuries past.

    While I find that numbers are of the essence, i.e., unceremoniously depositing large cohorts of outsiders on an established community within a short period is problematic, it is unclear that European culture is under any significant assault by immigrants. It is, in fact, the European culture or rather its American version which happens to have swept the globe. Technology and the ease of communication have rendered all local knowledge and customs global, but their adoption entirely a local choice. Hollywood has played a key role.

    I am by no means an advocate of sappy “multi-culturalism” – I, like many jews from England, am a bit of monarchist of that tradition, G’d, Queen, country and the hangman’s noose and so forth – and it is my personal belief that we’d benefit from a return of those mores; education re-crafted to embrace the classical: English, Latin, Mathematics, Philosophy [not pre-Socratic :) ] Science and the Fine Arts. But that is just me, perhaps like most men with the fourth decade imminent, mistaking nostalgia for a bolt of keen insight!

    If you are against multi-culturalism, what say you to a man like Talha, an American who is steeped not only in European education language and training but also brings with him a true knowledge of Islam, its rich history and culture currently under attack?

    What say you then, to the notion that Israel is entitled to it own culture and ethnic identity? [it is "Jewish", whatever that means, but more correctly defined as a mixture of various European sub-cultures and some well-preserved Jerusalmic middle-eastern vinegar] ?

    P.S. Trade as it gets confused with multi-culturalism is an economic matter and need addressing from an expanded set of economic arguments beyond the typical “comparative advantage” myopia.

  356. @Sam Shama

    “It is in fact the European culture or rather the American versions which has happened to sweep the globe.”

    Sam,

    I understand you’re only in your forties (40′s) and that is likely the reason why you are so quick to make rush to judgements, like above. Young, you have some to mature in wisdom, Sam.

    The American culture, including major and evangelical religions, was subdued by the gradual imposition of Jewish Zionist preferred “cultural” values (via Hollywood & TV) and — with cooperation from pastors & priests — sank “ordinary” believer’s passion for forgiveness, mercy, love of thy neighbor plus (+) same for thy enemy, and relegated the Sermon on Mount “blessed are the peacemakers” to a Godfathers pizza oven.

    Also, & as you’re aware, Sam, to date, Iran Zionized-European & American values have yet to take hold in Iran. There’s Madonna performances in Rome & Tel Aviv, but such bare titty & bottomless joys are not the case in Teheran.

    However, and as Phil Giraldi well knows, a thorough Superpower bombing of Iran and “draining” the desert oasis’s of Iran’s Islamic government might result in at least Neil Young getting to perform in “liberated” Teheran!

    Below is an article where in N.Y.C., a powerful Jewish-American mayor tried to persuade president-elect Zionist Trump to go softer on illegal immigration.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/12/07/emanuel-to-meet-trump-in-new-york/

    To geokat62: You might want to Google-search Mayor Emanuel’s family background and acquaint yourself with his favored cultural values. They are not “Andy of Mayberry.”

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    , @RobinG
  357. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    So I want to give you a reading advisory on an essay called “Repentance and Self-Limitations in the Life of Nations,” written by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

    Appreciate the reference, Chuck. I’ve added it to my reading list.

    By renewal of a JFK initiative, maybe President Trump will call for The Lobby (AIPAC) repentance and make them register as a foreign agent?

    Trump has to be very careful not to get JFKed.

    Speaking of JFK, have you had the opportunity to read Michael Collins Piper’s Final Judgement?

    Here’s a brief blurb from the book:

    This book demonstrates the strong likelihood Israel’s intelligence service, the Mossad, collaborated alongside the CIA and the Meyer Lansky Crime Syndicate in the JFK assassination because President Kennedy was working to prevent Israel from acquiring nuclear weapons of mass destruction, a fact that remained a dark secret for decades.

    http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf

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  358. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    To geokat62: You might want to Google-search Mayor Emanuel’s family background and acquaint yourself with his favored cultural values. They are not “Andy of Mayberry.”

    Thanks, Chuck. I am very familiar with Rahm Emanuel’s background. Here is one of my favourite RE quotes:

    In an interview with Ma’ariv, Emanuel’s father, Dr. Benjamin Emanuel, said he was convinced that his son’s appointment would be good for Israel. “Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel,” he was quoted as saying. “Why wouldn’t he be? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to clean the floors of the White House.”

    http://swampland.time.com/2008/11/13/rahm-emanuels-father-problem/

  359. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Each one of us is entitled to pursue, observe and celebrate a cultural tradition of our choice.

    I wish that were true, Sam. But what if the only thing appearing on the menu is Gefilte fish?

    While I find that numbers are of the essence, i.e., unceremoniously depositing large cohorts of outsiders on an established community within a short period is problematic, it is unclear that European culture is under any significant assault by immigrants.

    Projections Put Whites in Minority in U.S. by 2050

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/us/18census.html

    It is, in fact, the European culture or rather its American version which happens to have swept the globe.

    As you well know, Sam, what has swept the globe is the Frankfurt School’s cultural Marxism, which “called into question all of the sources of cohesion of Western societies: family, religion, culture, and race/ethnicity.”

    Hollywood has played a key role.

    Ya think?

    and it is my personal belief that we’d benefit from a return of those mores

    It may be your personal belief, Sam, but you’d have a hell of a time convincing the founders of the FS.

    If you are against multi-culturalism, what say you to a man like Talha…What say you then, to the notion that Israel is entitled to it own culture and ethnic identity?

    I wish nothing but the best for Talha… he seems to be a very decent man. That said, I’d say what I have said previously: I truly believe in diversity, but not the intra-national variety. I believe that the only diversity that is sustainable and beneficial is the inter-national variety. Once again, here’s my exchange with JW:

    Here’s my view on this topic. I don’t come at it from a racial superiority angle, I come at it from a variety-is-the-spice-of-life angle. Here’s what I mean: if the European nations continue down the path they’re currently on – e.g., birth rates so low they cannot sustain their current population levels and they rely on increased immigration to offset this trend – then the demographic makeup of these countries will be such that there will be little chance of retaining their historic identities. My dream is to travel to Berlin one day and be surrounded by Germans, enjoying their language, music, food, architecture, etc.; and travel to Paris the next and be surrounded by Frenchmen, enjoying the same; then travel to London, Madrid, Rome, Athens, etc.

    I don’t want to travel to these cities and feel as though they are all the same filled with immigrants from other countries to such an extent that they have lost their historic character. Simply put, I’d like for them to retain their historic identity. That’s why I am against the EU experiment and why I oppose immigration levels that will impact the historic character of these countries.

    Now before the neocons/Israel firsters jump on me and accuse me of having double standards, I would say the big difference is this. If the Zionists had created their Jewish state in a land that was not already inhabited by a indigenous population that didn’t require oppressing them by imposing a system of apartheid, I would not begrudge them their state in the least. But this is clearly not the case.

    So bottom line, let’s have a rainbow of nations in the Old World, while we still can… and let’s see how the multiculturalism experiment works out in the New World. If it turns out to be a disaster, we’ll just have to sail in the opposite direction to that sailed in 1492.

    In light of my newfound understanding of the origins of cultural Marxism, the only words I would change in this comment is the final paragraph regarding the New World.

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    , @Talha
    , @Sam Shama
  360. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Hmmm, and all this time I thought of you as a patriot like me.

    Patriot? Since when do true American patriots obsess about the status of a foreign capital?

    • Replies: @iffen
  361. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    … it is unclear that European culture is under any significant assault by immigrants.

    Just to cover all the basis, Sam, take a look at these professionally made videos, and tell me if you still think European culture isn’t under threat:

    1. Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West
    2. The Third Jihad
    3. Iranium

    These films were produced and distributed by a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit organization called The Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc.), part of The Lobby.

    Why, they were enough to motivate Anders Breivik to murder over 70 Norwegians.

  362. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    If you are against multi-culturalism, what say you to a man like Talha

    I love living here and thank the Almighty for the over three decades that He has allowed me to live and benefit among the people of America. I would love for it to continue, but I also know that a permanent Muslim presence is unprecedented in the history of Western Europe (as the Spanish reneged on the terms of surrender and eventually kicked out all Muslims from Spain). As I mentioned in a previous post:
    “This is an unprecedented event in human history; masses of Muslim refugees migrating to non-Muslim lands due to war – I can’t think of a single time that has ever happened before on a large scale – perhaps others can. In the past, they usually migrated to another Muslim land (examples; dispersion into the Levant from Mongol invasions, Circassians settled into Ottoman lands, etc.). Sometimes even non-Muslim refugees settled into Muslim lands (examples; Jews expelled from Spain, various Christian sects into Ottoman lands during the Thirty Years War, etc.)…but not the other way around (again, that I know of). Will this work out? We have no precedent…whether successful or disastrous from which to draw lessons.”

    I also know, despite terms such as “citizenship”, “residency”, etc., what the sacred law has traditionally stated about Muslim presence in non-Muslim lands – as Prof. Jonathan Brown articulated:
    According to the Shariah, Muslims living in the West (or other non-Muslim states) are essentially visitors from the perspective of the sacred law. The standard definition amongst Muslim scholars for the Abode of Islam (Dar al-Islam) was those lands where the Shariah reigns. Muslims outside that space reside in lands and countries as guests of whatever legal or religious system reigns there. If the law of the land were to prohibit Muslims from carrying out a duty required by the Shariah, such as prayer, or require them to do something clearly forbidden in Islam, such as drinking alcohol, the standard opinion amongst classical Muslim scholars was that Muslims could no longer reside there (a second opinion was that they should remain so that the religion of Islam would not vanish there). Otherwise, Muslims must respect the law of the land. Their decision to reside in those lands represents their agreement to a contract with the governments ruling them.”

    The legal systems here are great, but they are not tied necessarily to a transcendent authority – though they make reference to it:
    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    Thus, we are beholden to the whims of the times – citizenship may be here today and revoked tomorrow – que sera sera. Which is why, as I referenced in post #223, the experience of Jews being different in Muslim lands, because the arrangement was defined through immutable sacred law and thus, even when Jews were kicked around, “they recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement…”

    One thing I have learned from reading history; nothing is permanent. One thing I’ve learned from reading the books of sacred law; Muslims are to assume absolutely nothing when it comes to non-Muslim institutions or practice – the only thing to bear in mind is how one is expected to behave or engage.

    Peace.

  363. RobinG says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    No, Chuck, Sam’s only in his 30′s. (Your reading comprehension slipping in your advanced years? :) ) And so is Talha, I believe. They’re both, especially the verbose Talha, passing as sages, but they’re barely middle-aged. And all this religious muckety-muck is tedious. Three cheers for the billionaires.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sam Shama
  364. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hey Geo,

    Thanks – may God grant you only the best as well. The one gray area is the one dealing with Western converts to Islam; like my wife, and the two wonderful young women that came to our home recently to talk about their recent conversion. They are at the crossroads of both cultures – just something to think about.

    I am fascinated at how much Europe has lost of its localized culture over the years. If you look for pictures of a Yemeni wedding, or a Moroccan or Malay or Punjabi or Senagalese one – you will see that the dress of both the bride and groom varies greatly from culture to culture – even though they share the same religion. But if you look for wedding pictures of Swedes, Germans, Italians, Brits, etc. – they all look the same*. This was not the case around the late 1800s; you would never mistake a Bavarian for a Genoese or a Parisian or even a Hessian! What the heck happened??!! The universal globo-culture marches on!

    Peace.

    *Note: You do get some hold outs like the Irish and the Scotts and the Eastern Europeans.

  365. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Hey RobinG,

    Nope, those days are never coming back. I am officially over forty – every time I look in the mirror I think I see a new gray hair.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  366. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Gee, how precious, over 40!

    • Replies: @Talha
  367. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Hey RobinG,

    No doubt, I’m a young ‘un compared to some of the veteran posters here at UNZ. But that’s partly why I like coming back here – a lot of age-earned wisdom and perspective to glean insights from – like how Chuck shared regarding his metaphysical outlook on things derived from his Byzantine Catholic background.

    Feel free to ignore me and my lengthy comments, I won’t be offended – sometimes I think my wife would love to have a filter button for me too. :)

    Peace.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  368. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    … sometimes I think my wife would love to have a filter button for me too.

    You too, huh.

    • Replies: @Talha
  369. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    We do not have a common understanding of what obsess and true mean.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  370. @geokat62

    “… have you opportunity to read Michael Collins Piper “Final Judgement?”

    geohat62,

    No, unfortunately I have not. The book is expensive eeeven on “used” amazon.com and I have a bad “under lining” habit which does not fly with library loaned book.

    It’s very third rate (chessey?) when one has to call attention to their own published article, but by the good grace of The UncommonThought Journal editor, mine (below) managed to surface on the net.

    http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2016/11/27/jfk-and-me-cleaning-out-the-swamp-an-ax-to-grind-with-toxins-left-behind-in-permindex-basement.php

    Background: August this year, I was nominated to participate in the Vincent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to made points about JFK’s killing which other members did not want to discuss. After I did the same with the 9-11 lie & cover up, the V.S. Forum’s “subtle” minds showed me the exit door. Live & learn, geokat62!

    Thank you. You will appreciate Solzhenitsyn’s mature essay, “Repentance and Self Limitations in the Life of Nations” much more than my “JFK & Me.”

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Talha
    , @Anon
  371. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    We do not have a common understanding of what obsess and true mean.

    You could say that, again.

  372. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    The book is expensive even on “used” amazon.com

    Just click on this link, Chuck, and you should have access to a free electronic copy of the book:

    http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf

    The one drawback, however, is you won’t be able to exercise your underlining habit.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  373. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Just a continuation of my previous comment.

    It’s very third rate (chessey?) when one has to call attention to their own published article,

    Fine article, Chuck. But, since you say you haven’t read his book, I was surprised you made reference to MCP in your article:

    God help PBS documentaries and the History Channel “swamps” if future JFK assassination-research findings happen to honor the work of the late-Michael Collins Piper!

    I especially enjoyed reading your concluding paragraph:

    At the dawn of President Trump’s election, the American left tends to shy away from his very open record of (too) close unity with Sheldon Adelson and Israeli P.M. Benjamin Netanyahu. I shudder at the thought of what ultimate violent Western wars and U.S. taxpayer supported Muslim Liberation Pogroms lay in store for The Islamic Republic of Iran… which will be necessary to complete the creed of territorial expansion, a “Greater Israel.” By serving the policy ends of False Flag dependent and wealthy nuke weapon power Israel, “Bam,” the American nation self inflicts a pogrom upon it’s soul.

  374. geokat62,

    I have read many articles on M.C.P.’s book “Final Judgement” and a good friend just told me that he plans to purchase the book for me as a Christmas gift!

    Humbly speaking, I believe the most important thing in my article are the actual words spoken by the heroic Vincent Salandria. Although it’s a “hot potato” but what do you think about tVincent Salandria’s view on the “pogrom” dilemma of the 1960′s Jewish left?

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  375. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    Robin,
    Chuck, you and Geokat ought to form a breakfast club, unless there’s one already, and by all means encourage S2C’s inner Solon to emerge from the byzantine chrysalis ;)

  376. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Solzhenitsyn was a giant among men – thanks for the essay reference.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  377. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Although it’s a “hot potato” but what do you think about Vincent Salandria’s view on the “pogrom” dilemma of the 1960′s Jewish left?

    To be perfectly honest with you, Chuck, I wasn’t aware of this issue. I was just a young lad during that decade. I’d love to hear more about it, though.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  378. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    “I was nominated to participate in the Vicent Salandria Forum, and immediately proceeded to make some points about JFK’s killing which other members did not want to discuss.”

    Chuck…..

    Although you did not go into the points you made about the JFK’s assassination, I suspect that if you discussed the main premise (the Mossad killed JFK) in Collins Piper’s “Final Judgment” book is the reason why you quickly got booted out of the forum. What was the objectives of the forum?

    Was the main forum objective to open and discussed a cold case murder, or was it to continue the cover up of who actually killed JFK? If they didn’t want to discuss Israel’s involvement in the assassination, which the main stream media has not and will not entertain, then maybe the forum was just another Zionist controlled opposition, doing what they do best.. Covering up their tracks.

    The Zio media has no problem covering the numerous conspiracies on who killed JFK.

    Oswald – lone gunman
    Russian – hit men
    CIA – rogue assassins unleashed by the military intelligence
    Italian Mafia – furious over losing their Cuban casinos

    Notice our media never covers the the possibility Israel was behind the assassination. What is not covered, is not covered for a reason. The reason is to hide the real culprits who kill the last American President who challenged the Zionists. Today the same organizations are covering up who did 911.

    If you search on the internet ” the Mossad killed JFK” you will get hundreds of articles detailing Israeli motives for taking out JFK. JFK, our last American president, stood in the way of Israel’s quest for a nuclear weapon. JFK had to go!

    The key to connecting the Mossad to JFK’s murder is Jack Ruby, the man who killed the patsy, Oswald. His full name is Jack Rubenstein. When Jack Ruby shot Oswald, the Zio main stream media continued to use Jack Rubenstein’s mafia nickname, Ruby. Why? To hide his Jewish heritage? The finger then could be pointer at the Italian mobsters.

    Jack Rubenstein was a mafia soldier who work for the Zionist mafia Jew, Meyer Lansky. Lansky had very close connection to the Mossad and CIA, connections going way back to World War Two.

    The Justice Department and the Warren Commission completely covered up Jack Rubenstein connection to the mob. If this lead was followed, they would have uncovered who killed JFK and why they killed him.

    The Mossad and their Zionist supporters in the main stream media, are the only organizations that are still in power today. They had the main motive, the means, opportunity and more importantly, the ability to coverup who committed the assassination for over 53 years.

    Chuck…..you might know about the rumors that in some quarters there was concern there could be a backlash against Jews for their involvement in the JFK murder?

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  379. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Lamentations that “cultural marxism is taking over the world” are little else than old articles in new packaging. Every generation looks wistfully at the past, disdain for things new-fangled an unfailing refrain.

    Not that I don’t pine for the many delightful diversions of my salad days, I recognise that all things apropos culture and traditions change: the question only about speed and quantity.

    Your fears can be neatly encapsulated as “jewish culture out!” – it’s an old one and not particularly consistent with that which you profess to cherish, namely Greek philosophy.

    Demographics of the white populations are negatively correlated to economic wealth and only of late speculated to have something to do with the discouraged worker effect. I doubt it until presented with statistical evidence [e.g., explain Japan]

    We can all take our little pet dreams a wee bit literally; as in that “inter-national diversity” bs; as in my yearning to watch John Heminges and Shakespeare perform in a resurrected King’s Company. Or, in your case? Masai warriors in leopard skin and spears when visiting the Masai Mara?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  380. @geokat62

    geokat62,

    I’d also “love to hear more about it.”

    In the “JFK & me” article, I failed to mention that I initially alienated a couple of V.S. Salandria Forum participants by “linking” a You Tube video of JFK’s “Secret Speech.” I offered an opinion that JFK actually addressed, in veiled language, the threat International Zionism and not that of an expansionist communism. Evidently such “other” Forum-point of view brought icy chills of the Cold War back, and my take simply had to be suppressed.

    However, I felt awful that it was left to the honorable Vincent Salandria to show me the Forum exit door. 53 years gone bye now & JFK’s unsolved murder burns in me! Oh well, geokat62, I always have school bus driving to return to!

    A side of me said to myself, “Chuck, stick it out with the V.S. Forum in order to learn more on “who’s who” & (ideally) learn what are their prejudices.” Having no experience at playing a patient Mossad/CIA infiltration game, and pissed off, I chose to “flush the toilet” and resign from the Forum.

    In short, Vincent Salandria gave me all that I actually know about the Jewish left’s precarious position after Jacob Leon “Ruby” Rubinstein murdered a defenseless man, November 24, 1963.

    Maybe one day Mr. Salandria shall have more to say in a memoir, geokat62? One like me can never blame him for leaving such a Third Rail (Zionist threshold) topic untouched. I don’t have to remind you about timely disappearances of people who could provide contrary evidence to the Warren Commission (criminal) Report. But maybe the late-Michael Collins Piper has already documented matters on the Jewish dilemma of “pogrom” possibilities? I aim to read his book before I croak!

    (Note: So you know, Mark Lane dedicated five (5) chapters of his seminal book “Rush To Judgement” to the shady role of Jack Rubinstein, a friend of the Dallas P.D. The original edition of the book is upon my shelf, and I can not recall the heroic Mr. Lane having mentioned anything about Ruby’s creed and connection with powerful mobster, Meyer Lansky)

    Thank you for offering comment!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  381. @Talha

    Hey Talha,

    I love your enthusiasm for things beyond the material!

    One can not be crack sure about what kind of future our scary world is dealing with, but I strongly intuit mankind should come to grips with what A. Solzhenitsyn wrote in “Repentance and Self Limitation in the Life of Nations.”

    Thanks so much for the pleasure of talking with you. Such is always enriching!

    • Replies: @Talha
  382. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Every generation looks wistfully at the past, disdain for things new-fangled an unfailing refrain.

    True enough, Sam. But when they looked at the past at least they could recognize a semblance of their former selves, without having to resort to DNA testing, that is.

    Your fears can be neatly encapsulated as “jewish culture out!” – it’s an old one and not particularly consistent with that which you profess to cherish, namely Greek philosophy.

    I have no issue with Jewish culture per se, Sam. I just take issue with those in organized Jewry who choose to promote cultural Marxism. And that attitude is perfectly consistent with my views on Greek philosophy – i.e., to the extent that it has repugnant elements in it, I have no difficulties denouncing those elements.

    Demographics of the white populations are negatively correlated to economic wealth…

    No one is denying there are a multitude of factors negatively impacting demographics, Sam. But, surely you’d agree, migration and immigration are at the top of that list.

    e.g., explain Japan

    I would if you’d elaborate a bit on your point about the discouraged worker effect.

    … as in that “inter-national diversity” bs

    Spoken like a true cultural Marxist, Sam. Struggling, however, to understand how you can reconcile that comment with your fierce advocacy of a Jewish ethnostate.

    Or, in your case? Masai warriors in leopard skin and spears when visiting the Masai Mara?

    What do you have against the Masai, Sam? Don’t tell me you’re a racist?

    [MORE]

    Had you worried there, didn’t I? Wait, wait… let me try another one. I got it, I’ll pull an iffen on you: prove to me you’re not a racist, Sam. What’s that? It’s unfair asking someone to prove a negative? Rubbish, try harder. You 88s are soooo stupid.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  383. @Anon

    anon,

    Without having the gift of precognition, I had no idea that a number of influential Vincent Salandria Forum participants would hammer me for the assassination topics I had touched upon.

    When Mr. Salandria politely showed me the Forum door, at age 64, I knew I had “blown my load” and would never again have a chance to discuss the topic of who really killed JFK with a person who was so close to being in direct contact & opposition to Attorney Arlen Specter, the criminal author of the putrid Magic Bullet Theory.

    You are very knowledgeable, anon, and if I happened to be complicit in a murderous U.S./Zionist government conspiracy, I’d hate to learn that you were assigned to top level investigation. In fact, if such was the case, anon, I’d email Vladimir Putin and ask him for an application to become a Russian citizen!

    No need to kiss butt — but you’re absolutely correct in stating my article should have focused more on Jacob Leon (Ruby) Rubinstein’s convenient murder of the defenseless Lee Harvey Oswald. But as you may know, anon, focusing on that particular KEY topic would have taken my article well beyond the number of words which daring web sites typically allot.

    Yes, agreed, anon, — “Jack Rubinstein was a mafia soldier who worked for the Zionist mafia Jew, Meyer Lansky.” (As you can see, I did not get anywhere near making such fact available to the V.S. Salandria Forum and I still got the ram horn “hook”)

    Your final sentence has me confused. Did you miss reading Vincent Salandria’s amazing words which appeared in my “linked” JFK article? Apparently, “back lash against left wing 1960′s Jews” is not merely RUMOR. uh… maybe Sam Shama knows more about this matter and will enlighten this comment thread?

    Thank you very much for offering such wise & un muzzled insights. You cheered me up even to a point where I can still hope the actual murderers of JFK, the U.S.S. Liberty crew, Flight TWA 800 passengers, and 9-11 victims will face justice…. of course BEFORE the next False Flag attack occurs and barbaric pummeling of Iran commences.

  384. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    So much for “the king” of the jungle.

    Peace

  385. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    But maybe the late-Michael Collins Piper has already documented matters on the Jewish dilemma of “pogrom” possibilities?

    Interesting stuff, Chuck.

    btw – I myself have read the first 14 of the 18 chapters of his book, but haven’t come across anything yet on the issue you’re highlighting.

    There are, however, 4 more chapters to go and the penultimate one looks promising:

    They Dare Not Speak Out:
    The Media’s Silence—Why Israel’s Role in the JFK Assassination Could Not Be Exposed

    I’ll keep you posted.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  386. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I’ll pull an iffen on you: prove to me you’re not a racist, Sam. What’s that? It’s unfair asking someone to prove a negative?

    I don’t recall asking anyone to prove a negative.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  387. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    I don’t recall asking anyone to prove a negative.

    You’re right, iffen. I should have inserted the word “implicitly” in front of “asking.”

  388. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I wish I could claim on occasion that my arrows went home, envenomed though they weren’t. ;-)

    1. A claim is made that whites are not hatching at satisfactory rates on account of a loss of future prospects and excessive immigration, drugs etc. I won’t dismiss this notion out of hand but await a meaningful study based on data. Even if it were true in a limited sense, one would still need to explain Japan’s worrisome population trend which has displayed a negative correlation with rising wealth over the last several decades, and no immigration to speak of. And their culture is no longer of the Samurais and Geishas

    2. No racist intent about the Masai, at all. My point was simply this: all cultures change over time independent of geography. You won’t find the Masai of today doing the “traditional” things they did a century ago. The only thing permanent is the impermanence of things.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  389. geokat62 says:

    More good news.

    This just in from Robert Cohen, a British writer, who has bravely written I hereby chuck my right to Jewish national self-determination – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/jewish-national-determination/#sthash.tagROTWK.dpuf

    Here’s how it starts off:

    Okay, here goes.

    I’m renouncing my right to Jewish national self-determination.

    OMG!

    There. I’ve done it.

    It didn’t hurt.

    I’m still here.

    I’m still Jewish.

    I especially enjoyed the section on The new international religion:

    We live in an era of human history where ‘rights’ have become the new international religion. That means you can get into big trouble for denying people anything they consider a ‘right’ as an individual or as a group or, in this particular case, a ‘nation’. In fact, taking away or denying people’s ‘rights’ is about the worst crime you can commit in today’s post-enlightenment Western culture.

    So it’s not surprising that denying the right to Jewish national self-determination has now been co-opted into the definition of antisemitism.

    Today, if you question the concept of Zionism or the way in which the modern State of Israel is set up, you will quickly find yourself accused of being antisemitic. It is (in theory) okay to criticise particular aspects of Israeli government policy but not the fundamentals of its existence as that becomes a crime against Jewish human rights.

    The accusation of antisemitism goes something like this:

    “How can you deny the Jewish people their right to national self-determination while defending that right for everyone else? Why should Jews be the only people in the world that you say cannot have this right. That’s antisemitic!”

    It’s powerful rhetoric and it’s deployed to close down rather open up debate about a just peace in Israel/Palestine. Most of the time it works. And for the pro-Israel lobby and our Jewish communal leadership, it’s become vital that it does.

    Sounds like something an 88 would say… right, iffen?

    There is even more 88 talk… check out his concluding remarks:

    This is not some naive utopia I’m promoting. This way of thinking will save the Jewish people, not destroy them. This is common sense as well as common decency.

    If he’s not an 88, he must be a self-hating Jew.

    P.S. I’m still waiting to read I letter like this written by Sam, given his common sense and common decency.

    • Replies: @iffen
  390. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I wish I could claim on occasion that my arrows went home…

    I could be wrong, Sam, but wasn’t it you who previously posted this excellent comment?

    from Fowler’s “King’s English”:

    Any one who wishes to become a good writer should endeavour, before he allows himself to be tempted by the more showy qualities, to be direct, simple, brief, vigorous, and lucid.
    This general principle may be translated into practical rules in the domain of vocabulary as follows :

    1. Prefer the familiar word to the far-fetched.
    2. Prefer the concrete word to the abstract.
    3. Prefer the single word to the circumlocution.
    4. Prefer the short word to the long.
    5. Prefer the Saxon word to the Romance.

    I wish more of us would apply these rules in our writing, myself included.

    … one would still need to explain Japan’s worrisome population trend which has displayed a negative correlation with rising wealth over the last several decades, and no immigration to speak of.

    Declining population trends in developed economies are, no doubt, worrisome, but one should not cut off one’s nose to spite one’s face. Policies, such as encouraging larger families, could be introduced to reverse these trends. I’m sure others can dream up other more creative solutions.

    The only thing permanent is the impermanence of things.

    While no one is suggesting the hands of time should stand still, Sam, it is nevertheless clear that dominant cultures can still evolve without having to embrace ethnogenocide. I think Japan is a good case in point. It has recently experienced population decline without opening their doors to demographic-changing levels of immigration. And while their culture is no longer that of the Samurais and Geishas, I’m ok with that as long as they remain masters of their own destiny.

    No racist intent about the Masai, at all.

    Should I infer from this that you didn’t bother clicking on the “More” button.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  391. geokat62 says:

    How ironic, Sam. While we were having our little exchange, it appears that a Texas rabbi and a white nationalist leader were doing the same:

    “My tradition teaches a message of radical inclusion and love,” Rosenberg said, in a video picked up by the Forward, and posted by the campus newspaper The Eagle. “Will you sit down and learn Torah with me, and learn love?”

    Spencer gracefully declined the offer to pray, but in return offered an appraisal of Judaism and Zionism that literally left the rabbi speechless. Spencer actually blew Rosenberg’s pink balloon, and Rosenberg didn’t know what to do. Here is what Spencer said:

    “Do you really want radical inclusion into the State of Israel?” Spencer said. “And by that I mean radical inclusion. Maybe all of the Middle East could go move in to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Would you really want that?”

    Rosenberg was silent.

    “You’re not answering,” Spencer said.

    “I’m not answering,” Rosenberg said.

    “Jews exist precisely because you did not assimilate,” Spencer went on. “That is why Jews are a coherent people with a history and a culture and a future. It’s because you had a sense of yourselves. I respect that about you. I want my people to have that same sense of themselves.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/losing-debate-israel/

    I guess the relevant question is: do you embrace radical inclusion for Israel, Sam?

  392. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    My teachers have taught that the phenomenal world is a reflection of the metaphysical reality – not the other way around. There are some who acknowledge the reality of:
    “Lo! We have placed all that is on the earth as an adornment that We may try them: which of them is best in conduct.” 18:7

    And those that don’t…As one of them said, it is like a board game – every gets into it, it seems so real for the moment, people get happy or upset about losing fake money, and then…you wrap it up and put it away and all that emotion was over nothing of true consequence.

    My first experience with Solzhenitsyn was in high school; “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” and I’ve appreciated his sporadic interviews or articles since then. Repentance is key; key to recognizing one’s folly and changing one’s condition – and the door to repentance is always open, it is we who shut it upon ourselves often in our own hubris.

    Again, I will give it a read.

    Peace and the pleasure is mine.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  393. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Sounds like something an 88 would say… right, iffen?

    Since you gave me a shout-out I feel somewhat obligated to respond, although I have covered this before.

    If you find a Jew that has said or written something, the importance and significance of that is this: You have found a Jew that has said or written something.

    Unlike black Americans, Jews have free will and agency. They have differences of opinion. One Jew might have an opinion that no other person shares. All Jews are not Zionists. All Zionists do not agree on Israeli politics. Hell, they assassinate each other every once in a while.

    And yes, whenever someone denies Jewish Israelis the right to an ethnic based state on bases that are not applied to other ethnic groups, it raises a black and red flag.

    Sam can answer for himself, more eloquently and insightfully than I, but he has already “written” his letter several times. The problem seems to be that you can’t read what he writes. This Robert Cohen is pretty clear that his motivation is that he believes that this is a way to get at the Palestinian question. Sam has made it very clear that he disapproves of the harshness of the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.

  394. RobinG says:
    @iffen

    What an ef’n hypocrite you are, no if’n about it.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  395. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [I could be wrong, Sam, but wasn’t it you who previously posted this excellent comment?]

    I thought the sentence every bit brief, vigorous, direct and lucid, with only a reasonable use of circumlocution. The past participle of ‘venom’ is ‘envenomed’, but poorly replaced by ‘make poisonous’, both infinitives rooted in Latin, not Saxon which, had it been imposed, might have suggested ‘bane’, requiring ‘en-baned’, even more archaic in effect!

    [Well sorry Geo, I know I know I do get a bit carried away ;) . You could ask a good prose stylist, there are a few at Unz, 5371? ]

    I started out by establishing what is clear in my mind, which is that numbers are of the essence. I should have added further, that immigration as one way for a nation such as the US to supplement its population dynamics ought to be restricted to the highly qualified. The country is 70-75% white European and as you say projected to be less than 50% so by 2050. I expect the numbers for Canada to be even more favourable for whites. If you find this projection, i.e., less than 50% whites by 2050 for the US deeply disconcerting, why would you then root for the same or worse for the solitary, tiny Jewish nation? Israel is 70-75% Jewish, 21% Arab and 5% others. In that 75% Jewish there is an amazing diversity of race btw. A RoR would with alacrity reduce the Jewish population to a minority. So, on the subject of double standards, there is ample to go around.

    I don’t quite see why Japan is a case which makes any point you sought to make – that immigration leads to ethnogenocide. On the contrary, it demonstrates that increasing wealth leads to a loss of fertility. I suspect with some loose evidence that as a people gain wealth, knowledge and technological know-how, it senses that the world optimally requires a much lower population. People lower on the development scale prefer the opposite.

    As far as racism goes, I’ll plead guilty but only of the very narrow variety. #BLM and its opportunistic supporters I’d happily mark a race destined for extinction.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  396. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Thanks for a crystal clear summary of this issue which in Geokat’s mind requires daily affirmation from Jews.

  397. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    I think it’d be useful if you expanded on the reasons which prompted this short yet heavy on insult sentence.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @iffen
  398. @iffen

    “Sam (Shama) has made it very clear that he disapproves of the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.”

    It occurs to me that Sam has some hope after all! Thanks for conveying the “Good News,” iffen.

    I have serious problems how politically influential Jewish Zionists have (historically) treated Americans, including up to this very date.

    Hell, they even went as far as to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. This matter is made pretty clear in “anon’s” comment # 391, which by now it’s evident both you and Sam chose to “passover.”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  399. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    It (if’n) can smear all black Americans together, but not Jews. You hang out with some real pretenders. If I have time I’ll send some snark to Diogenes.

  400. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Confused you as much as me, huh? I didn’t get geo’s reference to my wanting people to prove negatives. I admit to not understanding where some of this is coming from. I guess if they want me to understand, then they can spell it out.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @anon
  401. RobinG says:
    @iffen

    How Pro-Israel Neocons Pushed for War in Iraq (Alison Weir)

  402. @Talha

    “My teachers have taught that the phenomenal world is a reflection of the metaphysical reality…”

    Talha,

    You have the blessings of a good education, and the best part (for you) is that it’s eternal “Continuing Education.”

    I so admire your statement, above! People, especially the ones who are content with MENSA- level superior intelligence, seem reluctant to acknowledge how very little percentage of human brain capacity is utilized, and become prone to thinking they know what (life) is all about.

    That’s quite natural, but for example, the other day (on the internet) I looked at a picture of Stephen Hawkings meeting with Pope Francis. Made me think what each of these two fellows know that I do not.

    O well, I feel very bad that (free) Americans who live under “The Deep State” would be hard pressed to find meaning in Solzhenitsyn’s essay “Repentance & Self Limitation.” Sporadically, U.S. citizens (those into reading) will get a “Best Seller” which extols a sharpshooting sniper who knocks off Muslim non-combatants in order to save American soldier lives.

    Okay, Talha, time for me to knock off the sarcasm. But in closing, I want to return to the “phenomenal world.”

    As previously mentioned, for me, the deepest spiritual book I ever read is Pierre Tielhard de Chardin’s “The Divine Milieu.” It’s extremely interesting to me that de Chardin’s Jesuit superiors had taken umbrage at the boldness of some of his philosophical views, and they barred him from teaching! Deeply wounded, but committed to a vow of submissiveness, de Chardin returned to China! Each paragraph in “Divine Milieu” makes me stagger and you ought to see the “heavily used” condition of my copy!

    Pierre Teilhard de Chardin also wrote the brilliant “Phenomenon of Man” and an unforgettable poem called “Mass upon the altar of the world.”

    Sorry to unfairly lay all this reading upon you, Talha. But you definitely understand how we humans are inclined to share great works of art, music, and literature.

    (Note: A religious gentleman, Christopher Bollyn, wrote and self-published the great book, “Solving 9-11.” Mr. Bollyn input New Testament quotes throughout his book, and the second page features a black & white cross. FYI, on the back cover of “Solving 9-11″ are “blurbs” of praise, but all are bereft of names who wrote the blurbs, which is a catalytic reason for all truth seeking Americans to read his book )

    Good day and thank you!

  403. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Unlike black Americans, Jews have free will and agency.

    You cannot possibly be serious with that statement – please tell me you were being facetious.

    I have known plenty of Blacks in my life – the vast majority, very good, decent people. The lion’s share of those being Muslim, and among most of them are those that converted; which absolutely requires free will and agency.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @iffen
  404. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    It is serious. Has it occurred to you yet that you’ve been throwing your pearls before swine? The compensation is surely that the silent majority of UNZ readers can observe and digest.

  405. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    [This matter is made pretty clear in “anon’s” comment # 391, which by now it’s evident both you and Sam chose to “passover.”]

    My dear Chuck, I don’t feel the urge to respond to every allegation made against Jews; I’d do little else.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  406. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Of course I was trying to be ironic and facetious. I guess Nazi hunters should just stick to the cut and dried plain vanilla wording.

    BTW, Nazis do not have a sense of humor.

    I have known plenty of Blacks in my life – the vast majority, very good, decent people.

    Absolutely! Way ahead of you Talha, I’ve been working with blacks since 1967. At times I have been the only white person in a small unit. The best Master Sergeant that I served under was black and he was head and shoulders above any other Sergeant that I served under or observed.

  407. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    There is no “they” here. R. has explained his meaning in accusing you (probably wrongly, but you might like to clarify) of hypocrisy, which has nothing to do with Geokat’s talking about you wanting people to prove negatives.

    I’m not Geo but I imagine he may be referring to your accusations, implicit or otherwise, of antisemitism, which you then ask to have disproved. I’m not a frequent interlocutor of yours, so I can’t judge the merits of this charge.

    • Replies: @iffen
  408. iffen says:
    @anon

    They would be R. and geo. I lumped them together because they were near in time. Geo may explain at some point. I don’t interlocutate with R. so that will stand. I make the observation that many confuse hypocrisy with applying a double standard and I try to avoid both. You may have seen my comment at #420 which should clear up my prior comment.

    I don’t see any problem with stating my opinion that certain ideas and premises are Nazism. If one holds those views you can think about what I have to say or not. I am not trying to convert anyone. No one has to disprove anything. I guess it boils down to my lack of impulse control. When I see someone say something along the lines of, “You know, Hitler had a lot of good ideas, the US should have fought on Germany’s side during WWII,” I just can’t stop myself from saying, “What a fucking Nazi.”

  409. @Sam Shama

    “… I’d do little else.”

    Sam,

    Below is a real-life model of what I consider something human & very worthy for you to at least read & contemplate.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/09/see-how-we-live/

    Kathy Kelly is Roman Catholic, a Chicago gal in her 60′s, and mid-Spring this year, she was released from a prison where she did time for protesting at a U.S. armed drone military base. Very spiritual and self-giving, Kathy Kelly’s life mission is dedicated to the exposure of EVIL in its many manifestations — including that which is inside herself. For the record, the evil “inside” every one.

    In the article “linked” above, you will note that Kathy Kelly, (unlike me), does not blame U.S./Zionist Jews for the havoc and suffering going on in Afghanistan. Christlike in her deeds, Kathy knows evil wears many masks and takes on a multitude of NAMES which adapt to the “times.”

    Some examples; In early 1980′s, Americans were taught that Soviet invaders of Afghanistan were evil. Mid-1980′s, Daniel Ortega’s Sandanistas were evil. Early 1990′s, CIA asset Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was evil. By 1999, Serbian Slobodon Milosevic was “The Face of Evil.” Hours after the 9-11 attacks, Israeli Ehud Barak pronounced al Qaeda evil and encouraged full blown (sleazy) U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Today, “existential” evil is centered in Teheran. What do you think is in store for Islamic Republic of Iran’s government, Sam?

    Do you see a pattern how quick are D.C./Zionist leaders at striking at every conceivable evil… except (of course) that which resides & thrives in themselves?

    Sam — because you are younger in years and prematurely pontifical, I will be as polite as temperament permits. Any chance you listened to The Beatles (Fab Four) song lyric, “Try and see it my way!” I sincerely believe America as a nation would be a helluva lot better off to “see it” in Kathy Kelly’s way.

    Thank you. So good that our name-calling armistice holds, eh?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  410. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Latest update:

    A spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League, which supported and helped draft the bill, acknowledged that it would not pass Congress this year, but offered no comment…

    Since a new Congress will convene in January, the bills will need to be reintroduced in both the House and the Senate.

    http://forward.com/news/356603/anti-semitism-bill-will-not-pass-congress-this-year/?attribution=home-top-story-3-headline

    Interesting to see who’s lending a hand in drafting this “Je suis Charlie” legislation.

  411. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    If you find a Jew that has said or written something, the importance and significance of that is this: You have found a Jew that has said or written something.

    Very profound, iffen… you must have majored in philosophy back in your college days.

    Unlike black Americans, Jews have free will and agency. They have differences of opinion. One Jew might have an opinion that no other person shares. All Jews are not Zionists. All Zionists do not agree on Israeli politics. Hell, they assassinate each other every once in a while.

    Nobody is claiming that the Jewish community is a monolithic. Just as any other community, the Jewish community displays a high level of a diversity of opinion. Where your argument falls apart, iffen , is at the level of organized Jewry. Here the agenda is more aligned and focused on achieving their perceived interests – i.e., advancing the perceived interests of Jewry both in Israel (e.g., AIPAC et al) and in the host country (e.g., ADL et al).

    And yes, whenever someone denies Jewish Israelis the right to an ethnic based state on bases that are not applied to other ethnic groups, it raises a black and red flag.

    What if their denial is based on the brutal occupation of 1.7 million people and the blockade of another 1.8 million people (all in violation of international law) and they equally apply this reasoning to all other ethnic groups, – i.e., they should be denied an ethno state under these same circumstances. Does this still raise a b&r flag for you?

    Sam can answer for himself, more eloquently and insightfully than I, but he has already “written” his letter several times. The problem seems to be that you can’t read what he writes.

    I can read perfectly fine, iffen, notwithstanding your slight.

    The problem I have with Sam’s repeated attempt at writing letters is this: when I once asked him to choose between the following two motivations for justifying one’s actions:

    Fair enough, Sam. But of the two I suggested:

    1. those who believe the end justifies the means; and
    2. those who believe moral principles should be adhered to

    which would you pick and why?

    here’s his initial response:

    2.
    Feels better mostly
    but 2 != 1 is generally not true, and I am sure you understand why.

    But when I insisted he stake out a more explicit position, he retorted:

    My choice was 2. Explicit enough. Try to mix a bit of Hume with Wittgenstein [and an idiot called Shama].

    When push came to shove, Sam declared that actions must adhere to moral principles.

    So, rather than having a reading comprehension problem, iffen, at root the problem I have is with inconsistency.

    This Robert Cohen is pretty clear that his motivation is that he believes that this is a way to get at the Palestinian question. Sam has made it very clear that he disapproves of the harshness of the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.

    Based on the foregoing, iffen, here’s the difference: while Robert Cohen’s way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam’s is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.

    • Replies: @iffen
  412. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    If you find this projection, i.e., less than 50% whites by 2050 for the US deeply disconcerting, why would you then root for the same or worse for the solitary, tiny Jewish nation?

    I thought I already addressed this question back in comment #372:

    Now before the neocons/Israel firsters jump on me and accuse me of having double standards, I would say the big difference is this. If the Zionists had created their Jewish state in a land that was not already inhabited by a indigenous population that didn’t require oppressing them by imposing a system of apartheid, I would not begrudge them their state in the least. But this is clearly not the case.

    Sam, you know 1P1V1S is the only answer that is based on moral reasoning. You know that Madalaine Albright was morally wrong when she said the price of killing half a million children was worth it. You know that redirecting $6 trillion from American taxpayers, when there is 50 million of them on food stamps, to finance PNAC’s project to remake the ME is morally wrong.

    So, be a mensch and admit it. Or if you prefer, simply state: the ends justify the means.

    • Replies: @iffen
  413. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    My argument does not fall apart, geo; you do not have an argument.

    Do you want me to believe that an ethnic group that has excelled in maintaining an identity for millennia, members of which are at the pinnacle in academia, political philosophy, hard sciences, finance, media, etc., can’t do effective lobbying in the slim pit of American politics?

    they equally apply this reasoning to all other ethnic groups, – i.e., they should be denied an ethno state under these same circumstances. Does this still raise a b&r flag for you?

    No. I know that pure pacifist types exist, but .01% does not make the rule.

    here’s the difference: while Robert Cohen’s way to get at the Palestinian problem is based on #2 reasoning, Sam’s is based on #1, hence the different outcomes.

    People have to have their philosophical ducks in a row before they can hold moral stances that count?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  414. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    in a land that was not already inhabited by a indigenous population that didn’t require oppressing them by imposing a system of apartheid

    You are applying a double standard to Israel.

    Except for land masses not named Africa, there have always been indigenous peoples that hosted immigrants.

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt, geo.

  415. geokat62 says:

    Except for land masses not named Africa, there have always been indigenous peoples that hosted immigrants.

    Very true, iffen. But the difference is this: these nations were forged in an era absent the rule of law. While the 20th century will probably go down in history as one of the most violent, it will also be recognized for its signal contributions to the establishment of international laws, rules that govern the relations of modern-day nations.

    • Replies: @iffen
  416. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Do you want me to believe that an ethnic group.. can’t do effective lobbying in the slim[e] pit of American politics?

    I should think that a true American patriot would want to prevent any ethnic group from having undue influence on the levers of power, as we all have witnessed what that undue influence has wrought.

    People have to have their philosophical ducks in a row before they can hold moral stances that count?

    Not sure where you’re coming from, iffen. Not to belabour the point, what I expect in a debate on the most pressing issues of the day is this: people must clearly articulate the basis on which they wish to justify actions that have occurred in the past or their policy proposals for future actions. They must choose between:

    1. Might is right – i.e., the end justifies the means
    2. Right is right – i.e., actions must adhere to a moral standard

    I have no difficulty debating those who openly admit they subscribe to rule #1. It is usually short and sweet.

    Where things get complicated is when I find myself debating those who allege they also subscribe to rule #2. I invariably find, however, that their arguments are really driven by some form of rule #1.

    • Replies: @iffen
  417. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    #1 is reality.

    It is a good thing that we learn from our philosphers and try to make #2 our guide.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Disagree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  418. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    the rule of law.

    And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sam Shama
  419. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.

    The pivotal year isn’t 1948, iffen… it is just three years earlier, 1945.

    A few excerpts from an interesting article on this topic:

    Despite pivotal post-WWII role in developing legal frameworks, United States appears threatened by international law

    [Nadya] Sadat* says that this is unfortunate because the United States proudly led the trial of the major German leaders at the end of World War II at Nuremberg.

    “In fact, the entire post-World War II framework of modern international law was, if not an American creation, at least American inspired and American driven,” she says.

    “The United States played a crucial role in providing both the logistical infrastructure and the legal talent to creating the United Nations at the end of World War II.”

    https://source.wustl.edu/2011/04/despite-pivotal-postwwii-role-in-developing-legal-frameworks-united-states-appears-threatened-by-international-law/

    Here’s an excerpt from the Introduction of Nadya Sadat’s THE NUREMBERG PARADOX:

    The drama playing out in the bombed ruins of the city of Nuremberg had its echos in San Francisco, where the Charter of the United Nations was elaborated, this time on American soil, and again, with American ideas predominating the conversation. It was a heady time, and to many, the Nuremberg trials seemed to lay the foundation for a new post-war world order that would be based upon the rule of law, and led by the United States of America. As The New Yorker editorialized on September 15, 1945, “[the] Nuremberg trials . . . are exciting because they are the unconscious expression of the universal desire for a broader legal structure, and hence for a higher social structure.”

    https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=608092126118020031127076095020118094059092037020027043122086103090122100076118012118007114061061050022034103113002113003093096023006066082083002114083096110075093062030050101119111113094080026109070017125087118069122028102122108025019023081082068119&EXT=pdf

    * Sadat currently is serving as the first woman to hold the prestigious Alexis de Tocqueville Distinguished Fulbright Chair in Paris, France, and teaching at the University of Cergy-Pontoise.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  420. @iffen

    “… a good thing we learn form our philosophers and try to make # 2 our guide.”

    Note: Because dialoguing with “iffen” is exhausting and bears no(zero) good fruit, the following comment is actually addressed to geokat62.

    Might is right (Vae victus) is the U.S./Zionist foreign policy guide since the 1953 CIA overthrow of Mossadegh’s rule in Iran. As you know, it got uglier upon the death of JFK and Johnson’s assumption to U.S./Zio presidency.

    At New World Order present, my friend, #1 is a definite & indisputable reality. Because current U.S/Zionist executive administrations make “the laws,” and it logically follows that whatever the f*#uckers do is “right.”

    Subsequently, Clinton A.G. Attorney General Reno could fry American inhabitants of the Branch Davidian (Waco) compound and proclaim such is “right.” You’re intelligent and are blessed by a time-tested philosophy of what’s right & wrong, geokat62 — so I find it a waste of our time by my having to repeat the sickening immoral statement like Clinton’s Secretary Albright made on millions of innocent Iraqi deaths, “.. it was worth it.”

    Under psychotic New World Order social engineering, design, implementation, and enforcement, categories #1 and #2 are criminally synthesized. At no time since even the days prior to WW I have U.S./Zionist governments been “moral”!

    During the past 1/4 decade, there were humanitarian bombings, key Israeli complicity in 9/11 attacks and M.S.M., unnecessary & immoral W. Bush attack upon Afghanistan & Iraq, “Blackwater” combat mercenaries, “non-combatant” prisoner torture, etcetera, ad nauseum. So sickening, I defer going into Obama’s undertaking of twisted “Terror War” abominations!

    The only thing people like you and I have going for us (right now), geokat62, is the fact that presently, there is a (hidden) loophole written into prejudiced “The New World Order” ethic!
    I’m a practicing school bus driver/attorney, and at no cost, I’ll lay it out for Unz Review audience!

    Since 1991, and as the nation state of Israel is deceptively promoted as being “The Middle East’s only democracy,” ANTI-SEMITIC reactions have become validated by Israel’s barbaric actions against Palestinians and the fact that U.S. taxpayers are forced to “fork over” 38 billion dollars (over a span of 10-years) for Israel’s defense.

    As “Might is Right” and “Right is Right” concepts are synthesized by U.S./Brit/and Zionist political philosophy heavy weights , I want to ask, “is there is a place for (peace loving) New World Order anti-semitic subjects to settle and freely speak their hearts & minds without being hounded and placed upon a D.O.H.S. “watch list”?

    Please let me know your thoughts on my legal theory, geokat62? I suffer sinus infection, including cough, sore throat, and given Obamacare insurance’s shitty co-pays, I plan to take a break from commenting here at Unz, and go out and buy a bottle of Rock & Rye. (Regrettably, it’s wasteful to continue exchanges with iffen, he’s heavily drugged, on 50 mg, OXyZiodone) Thank you!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  421. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [And this just happened to fall from the sky in 1948, how convenient.]

    That “morality”, claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing from the field of vision when the question is about e.g., America, very much a post-Hellenic entity; yet returning to centre stage in the “Twentieth Century, I say!” with all its luminous solemnity, weighing in on the “legality” of the Jewish state, never mind the circumstances which included a U.N. vote – no doubt yet again as custom dictates, to be conveniently branded a product of manipulative Jewish endeavour!

    Then the resplendent chimaera reappears in the twenty-first century, crooning melodies of the divine white ethnic states in Canada and the U.S., never mind, oh never mind!….. the disposition of others………

    In some odd way and I can’t really put my finger on it at the moment, it rings of the satirical rhyme penned by Edward, Duke of Windsor:

    My dear Lord Archbishop,
    What a scold you are!
    And when your man is down how bold you are!
    Of Christian charity how scant you are!
    And Old Lang swine, how full of Cantuar.

  422. @geokat62

    geokat62,

    I forgot you are a Canuck and Canadian citizens are not yet obligated to kick in annual billions of dollars for Israeli defense.

    Plus, please consider how far we all got away from Mark Green’s incisive comment (#1) and how he asserts Iran now tops Israel’s “Weaken and Injure” list? Also, given Donal Trump’s hair raising “America First” speech delivered last night in Michigan, how prophetic was M. Green in stating “America First” must get in the (C. Lindbergh) line… after Israeli territorial needs are fulfilled!

    Best I can say about reading your intellectual exchanges with “iffen” is the fact that it reminds me of Solzhenitsyn’s first NKVD arrest and initial time he spent trying to talk sense with “Smersh bums.” Solzhenitsyn’s great (moral) story can be read in Gulag Archipelago One, chapter “Arrest.”

    • Replies: @geokat62
  423. @Sam Shama

    Sam,

    Below, I modify Edward’s satirical rhyme.

    My dear Lord Netanyahu,
    what a scold you are!
    And how bold you are, especially
    while goy American workers are so down!
    Of Torah Jew charity how silent you are,
    an Old Lang pantomine, how full of lard
    “anti-semites” realize you always are!

    Like “anon” wrote above, get prepared for inevitable Holocaust revisionism, and as I commented (# 434) get ready for the New World Order’s having given birth to new anti-semitism; legitimately based upon what the Jewish state of Israeli does to both its neighbors,and not to ever forget, our good ole “Homeland,” 9-11-2001.

    (Note: G.W. Bush administration Defense Secretary Rumsfeld once tagged EU leaders as “Old Europe.” Almost comical how the ever deluded masses who voted for Trump now want the “Old America” given back to them?)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  424. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … yet returning to centre stage in the “Twentieth Century, I say!” with all its luminous solemnity, weighing in on the “legality” of the Jewish state, never mind the circumstances which included a U.N. vote – no doubt yet again as custom dictates, to be conveniently branded a product of manipulative Jewish endeavour!

    Yes, yes, of course, Sam, I am all well aware of the UN vote. While I’m not a legal expert, and putting aside for a moment these two complicating factors,:

    1. The Plan was accepted by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, despite its perceived limitations. Arab leaders and governments rejected it and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division, arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    2. Partition was adopted only after ruthless arm-twisting by the US government and by 26 pro-Zionist US senators who, in telegrams to a number of UN member states, warned that US goodwill in rebuilding their World War II-devastated economies might depend on a favorable vote for partition.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4077.htm

    what about what has transpired since 1967? What do you think of this legal score:

    UN adopts 20 resolutions against Israel, 3 on rest of the world

    http://www.unwatch.org/un-to-adopt-20-resolutions-against-israel-3-on-rest-of-the-world/

    Here’s the difference, Sam. I’m not advocating for a system that will dominate a large segment of the existing population. You are.

    I’m the one who’s simply in favour of implementing policies that will maintain the Western character of these new-world countries. Pretty controversial stuff, eh?

    Then the resplendent chimaera reappears in the twenty-first century, crooning melodies of the divine white ethnic states in Canada and the U.S., never mind, oh never mind!….. the disposition of others………

    Fine writing style, Sam. Unfortunately, it’s the content that counts.

    I’m just crooning the same tune Zionists (yourself included, based on previous self-admissions) have been crooning for over a century now, Sam. Having broken free from cultural marxism’s captivating spell, I’ve just decided to join in the Zionist chorus… better late than never, I guess.

    In some odd way and I can’t really put my finger on it at the moment, it rings of the satirical rhyme…

    I prefer this short but sweet line:

    “It’s discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit.”
    ― Noël Coward, Blithe Spirit

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  425. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hello Chuck, I read the linked article on Kathy Kelly’s work in Afghanistan, importantly her message in the final paragraphs, advocating a simply shared existence among all men before G’d.

    There is little to disagree with her. I must say the arrow went home when you observed my premature pontification, which I might add I’ve noticed myself to my own chagrin and the occasional rebuke at the hands of my dear granny!

    But I reckon there is a reason for it, every bit to do with my upbringing which had me placed in environments starkly disparate in all conditions, of people, geography, comfort and culture. I am equally at home and content in the company of ordinary Cockneys, or Bedouins and Palestinians, as I am among the denizens of the clubs and offices of London and NY. In truth, I favour the company of the former a little better. Or indeed, a great deal more. So the years in one’s life are only as meaningful as one spends them observing people, their troubles and tribulations as much as their joys and successes. I never claim any false modesty in my opinions, only that which I firmly believe to be accurate in taking stock of any given state of affairs.

    Which brings us to the question of Iran. I won’t go into all the reasons I believe there is to be no war against her, and should my sanguinity prove unwarranted and naive, I shall be out protesting that act with every fibre.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @RobinG
  426. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Solzhenitsyn’s great (moral) story can be read in Gulag Archipelago One, chapter “Arrest.”

    Thanks for sharing, Chuck. btw – I just started reading AS’s Repentance and Self-Limitation.

  427. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Please let me know your thoughts on my legal theory, geokat62?

    Hey, Chuck. I can say this: you are absolutely right when you wrote:

    You’re… blessed by a time-tested philosophy of what’s right & wrong,

    It’s that tradition that has taught me the importance of immersing one’s soul as much as possible in the Sublime Braid, the true, the beautiful, the good. As a result, while I’m prepared to wholeheartedly condemn other human beings for their vile actions, I am not prepared to condemn them for who they are.

  428. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I think you are grasping at straws when you say you have joined the Zionist chorus or at least muddled since you both condemn the state and then embrace it in the span of the same post.

    And the noble Hellenic sentiment, much megaphoned, now dispatched for convenience – one always suspected them absent – your response, which I had anticipated in my post, I fear is every bit dead as last week’s mutton.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
  429. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    I appreciate the attempt to modify the rhyme. But it has to rhyme, has it not? Perhaps you ought to ask S2C to try his hand at it? In any case, I understand your concerns.

  430. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    My last entry on this subject which seems to have attracted a surfeit of moral indignation and sermonising, the very two things I attempt to steer clear of.

  431. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    That “morality”, claimed of old Hellenic roots, is in fact, a species of chimaera conveniently disappearing

    How could our forebears have known that it would ever be so?

    Yet today, it still turns upon whose ox’s hoof the glass slipper doth fit.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  432. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I think you are grasping at straws when you say you have joined the Zionist chorus or at least muddled since you both condemn the state and then embrace it in the span of the same post.

    Nice try, Sam.

    I sing the song of nationalism because it makes sense. I condemn Zionism not because it advocates nationalist policies. No, Sam, I condemn it insofar as it has been brutally occupying ~4 million people for ~50 years. If the Zionists had created their own state without this odious aspect, you and I would not be having this conversation. Not sure why someone who purportedly has +7σ IQ would have difficulty grasping this simple distinction.

    And the noble Hellenic sentiment, much megaphoned, now dispatched for convenience – one always suspected them absent – your response, which I had anticipated in my post, I fear is every bit dead as last week’s mutton.

    I’m afraid you haven’t adhered to any of the 5 practical rules associated with Fowler’s “King’s English.”

    • Replies: @geokat62
  433. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Yet today, it still turns upon whose ox’s hoof the glass slipper doth fit.

    I still prefer my previous quote:

    It’s discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit.”
    ― Noël Coward, Blithe Spirit

  434. geokat62 says:

    One last question for iffen and Sam.

    Do either of you favour multiculturalism over nationalism?

    • Replies: @iffen
  435. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    … your response, which I had anticipated in my post, I fear is every bit dead as last week’s mutton.

    What is dead as last week’s mutton, Sam, is the system of apartheid. Wake up and smell the mutton.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  436. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Do either of you favour multiculturalism

    I like America’s melting pot.

    At the present time we need to take a break from adding any more ingredients to the pot so as to allow the current concoction to simmer and assimilate.

    People should be willing to place being an American above their ancestry.

  437. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    I’ll keep you posted.

    I just finished reading Ch. 17 of Michael Collins Piper’s book, Final Judgement. The chapter is entitled They Dare Not Speak Out:
    The Media’s Silence—Why Israel’s Role in the JFK Assassination Could Not Be Exposed

    Here is the concluding paragraph:

    Clearly, the media’s coverage—or be it non-coverage—of the JFK assassination was critical to the cover-up of the real origins of the conspiracy that resulted in the president’s assassination. That the media played a major part in perpetuating the cover-up is unquestioned and that Israel and its lobby has a major influence in shaping the American media can likewise not be questioned.

    I must say the chapter is chock-full of allegations. Here are some of the most pertinent ones:

    [MORE]

    Although the media initially supported the Warren Commission’s conclusions, public skepticism forced the media to bring forth a wide variety of cover stories and limited portions of the truth. But the Israeli connection has never been considered—until now.

    The evidence indicates, in fact, that the fine hand of pro-Israel propagandists were at work, orchestrating the attack on Garrison. Leading the assault on the district attorney was NBC’s New Orleans television (and radio) affiliate, WDSU.

    The owner of WDSU was Edgar Stern, of the powerful New Orleans Stern family, major contributors to not only the American Jewish Committee and the American Jewish Appeal, but also the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B’nai B’rith. Additionally, a close friend of Clay Shaw was Edgar Stern’s wife, Edith Stern, whose support for Shaw in the face of his prosecution was prominently noted in James Kirkwood’s account of the Shaw trial, American Grotesque.

    As we shall see in this chapter, the ADL not only functions as a foreign intelligence operation for Israel, but it also works closely with American intelligence. More importantly—the ADL uses its influence to play a major role in shaping American media news coverage. This was critical to covering up the truth about the JFK assassination.

    The ADL-connected WDSU television and radio had thus provided “one lone nut”—Lee Harvey Oswald—with more free publicity than any other single leftist in the city of New Orleans could have dreamed about.

    But WDSU wasn’t finished with Oswald. Immediately after Oswald was arrested in Dallas on November 22, it was—once again—WDSU that played a part in portraying Oswald, now to a national television audience, as a pro- Castro agitator.

    According to Warren Hinckle and William Turner: “The NBC Network scored a coup, thanks to its New Orleans affiliate WDSU. Early in the evening it played a tape of Oswald’s voice professing admiration for Fidel Castro and declaring, ‘I am a Marxist.’”

    It was later, of course, that Walter Sheridan, on the payroll of NBC news, came to New Orleans and, aided by WDSU, launched the effort to undermine Jim Garrison to a national television audience, WDSU already having done so much to lay the groundwork for the portrayal of Lee Harvey Oswald as a lone communist agitator.

    In later years, it should be noted, it was Sheridan who set up shop— although he was not a lawyer—at the law firm of Miller, Cassidy, Larroca and Lewin in Washington, D.C. This was the firm of a former Justice Department colleague of Sheridan’s named Nathan Lewin who, by this time, had emerged as one of the Israeli lobby’s most prominent legmen in the city of Washington.

    It was from his office in Lewin’s firm that Sheridan laid the groundwork for the establishment of a security firm that provided exclusive services to the Caribbean resort empire known as Resorts International: As we noted in Chapter 7, Resorts International is generally perceived as a joint intelligence operation linking the CIA and the Meyer Lansky Crime Syndicate alongside the Israeli Mossad.

    In any case, it is very clear that forces with close ties to the Israeli lobby were among those leading the assault on Garrison. Garrison was pilloried on national television time and again. He was ruthlessly savaged in the press. His integrity was questioned and his methods of inquiry were called into judgment.

    So it was with anyone who questioned the “official” word on the JFK assassination. The CIA even went to the trouble of preparing a review of Warren Commission critic Mark Lane’s best-selling Rush to Judgment that was distributed to CIA friends and assets in the media

    This was all part and parcel of the campaign to discredit those who were on the brink of uncovering the real truth about the JFK assassination, something that neither Israel nor its allies at the CIA could permit.

    It was this same Robert Maheu (misspelled as “Mayhew” by Kirkwood) who was assisting Phelan in the attempt to scuttle the Garrison investigation—an investigation that would, if pursued to the ultimate, have exposed the very CIA-organized crime conspiracy against Castro that also implicated many of those involved in the JFK assassination itself.

    Garrison clearly was on the right track. He was looking in the right places. It was Garrison who linked Clay Shaw to the JFK assassination conspiracy and it was Shaw who sat on the board of Permindex, the shadowy Israeli Mossad-linked entity that played so central a role in the murder of the American president. How much Shaw knew about the impending murder of the president will never be known, but there is no question that Shaw was tied to the core of the conspiracy.

    A spy scandal erupted in San Francisco, enveloping the ADL, one of its longtime paid informants, and a San Francisco police officer who had been selling classified police intelligence information to the ADL.

    A raid by the San Francisco Police Department on the offices of the ADL in both San Francisco and Los Angeles revealed that those offices of the ADL were maintaining surveillance on some 12,000 individual Americans and on the activities of some 950 social and political organizations of all political persuasions.

    It was subsequently revealed that the ADL was conducting similar spying operations in other major cities around the country, utilizing a network of paid informants who were charged with the responsibility of infiltrating organizations targeted by the ADL.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  438. @geokat62

    “I’ll keep you posted.”

    geokat62,

    I suppose you’re talking to me?

    Thanks for providing excerpts from Mr. Piper’s book. As previously stated, a friend plans to give me his book as a Christmas gift. Having read 4-solid books on JFK’s unsolved murder and sickening cover up, I am eager to start on the author’s “Final Judgement” and its “allegations” where other authors dare not go.

    Many local (wise) old people tell me that my enthusiasm for chasing down JFK’s actual murderers is “convicts over the wall, never to be sen again.” ‘Til I die, I stay with the topic because the act and cover up was very evil.

    This morning, while checking out groceries @ Price Chopper, I looked at the latest edition of National Inquirer which headlined, “Castro’s deathbed confession that he had JFK killed.” It’s no wonder that the CIA’s > 500 attempts to kill Castro failed because they likely realized (at heart) Fidel did Israel such a huge favor & allowed their nuke weapons program to proliferate.

    Finally, to my knowledge, neither Unz Review writers nor commenters ever discuss Christopher Bollyn’s indispensable book, “Solving 9-11.” Soon it will be 16 years since the False Flag 9-11 attacks and evil cover up. geokat62 — Upon reading Bollyn’s book, & without having to hand out grams of coke to “Talking Heads,” you will learn how Arnon Milchan managed to get the entire post-911 M.S.M. to fib like pigs. Thank you.

  439. @Sam Shama

    “I must say the arrow went home when you recognized my premature pontification.”

    Sam,

    After all the mean-spirited exchanges we have indulged, I initially admit that I thought you might have written the beautiful comment (# 439) while @ Happy Hour and “Under the Influence.”

    At age 64, I come to realize that a rather painful moment will inevitably arrive when I either “kick the bucket” or I am seriously ill and a doctor tells me “It won’t be long, Chuck” Presently, in my life, both at home and chatting inside joints like Dunkin’ Donuts, I pay attention to a lot of the bullshit that’s in the newspapers and on cable TV, and I get caught up in how ugly and savage 21st century American life has gotten.

    Into Solzhenitsyn and his call for individual & national repentance, I carry with me a desire to shed off my human faults. As W. Bush once flippantly stated about governing, “It’s hard-hard work” and indeed, Sam Shama, the same goes for the governing of one’s “desires, appetites and passions.”

    As a life long Byzantine (Catholic) Christian, I try to not falter when it comes to my duty to resist evil. While reading the W.S.J. daily, I follow president-elect Trump’s hawkish cabinet appointments. Will there be war against Iran? A school bus driver can not say for sure, but the best I can predict is the fact that the Iranian leadership must see how Trump did not appoint a Jewish peacenik-in-pajamas or Kathy Kelly to become Secretary of Defense.

    When Secretary “Mad Dog” Mattis lays out Iran’s options, and with a Green Light signaled by President Putin, the Iranian rulers will recognize that they have little leverage but to obey! Same goes for the Palestinian fate, no more “Two State Solution.”

    Thank you!

  440. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Since posting that comment, however, I have been doing some further research – especially into the wellsprings of popular culture, better known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism.

    As promised, just wanted to share some of the fruits of my labour. I just finished reading an excellent collection of essays edited by William S. Lind, called “Political Correctness:” A Short History of an Ideology (A Product of the Free Congress Foundation).

    http://static.ow.ly/docs/Political%20Correctnes%20-%20A%20Short%20History%20of%20an%20Idealogy_9Nd.pdf

    Lind has written the introduction and the first of 6 chapters.

    Here are the most pertinent excerpts from the intro and Ch. 1 (I will post excepts from the remaining chapters separately for ease of reading. For those who prefer a summary version, read William Lind’s, The Origins of Political Correctness http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/ ):

    [MORE]

    It is a short bibliographical essay intended not as an exhaustive resource for scholars but as a guide for interested citizens who want to learn more about the ideology that is taking over America.

    [To] understand Political Correctness and the threat it poses it is necessary to understand its history, particularly the history of the institution most responsible for creating it, the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School, or the Institute for Social Research as it was formally known, was established at Frankfurt University in Germany in 1923. This fact alone is important, because it tells us that Political Correctness is not merely a leftover of the American student rebellion of the 1960s.

    Another fact from that long-ago year, 1923, is equally significant: the intended name for the Frankfurt School was the Institute for Marxism… In 1933, this disguised “Institute for Marxism” left Germany and reestablished itself in New York City, where in time it shifted its focus to injecting its ideology into American society.

    Introduction

    Perhaps the most important question facing Americans today is, “Do we really want America to be an ideological state?” Because conservatives know where all ideologies lead, our answer, resoundingly, is “NO!” But if we expect to prevail and restore our country to full freedom of thought and expression, we need to know our enemy. We need to understand what Political Correctness really is. As you will soon see, if we can expose the true origins and nature of Political Correctness, we will have taken a giant step to its overthrow.

    Chapter 1, What is “Political Correctness,”? by William S. Lind

    Whoever or whatever controls language also controls thought…

    Today, with economic Marxism dead, cultural Marxism has filled its shoes. The medium has changed, but the message is the same: a society of radical egalitarianism enforced by the power of the state.

    It dominates both public and higher education: many a college campus is a small, ivy-covered North Korea.

    Rather, those who would defeat cultural Marxism must defy it. They must use words it forbids, and refuse to use the words it mandates…

    While the hour is late, the battle is not decided. Very few Americans realize that Political Correctness is in fact Marxism in a different set of clothes. As that realization spreads, defiance will spread with it.

    Through defiance, and through education on our own part (which should be part of every act of defiance), we can strip away its camouflage and reveal the Marxism beneath the window-dressing of “sensitivity,” “tolerance” and “multi-culturalism.”

  441. geokat62 says:

    Chapter II, The Historical Roots of “Political Correctness,” by Raymond V. Raehn

    At the time, there was great concern that all of Europe might fall under the banner of Bolshevism. This sense of impeding doom was given vivid life by Trotsky’s Red Army invasion of Poland in 1919.

    However, the Red Army was defeated by Polish forces at the battle of the Vistula in 1920. The Spartacist, Bavarian Soviet and Bela Kun governments all failed to gain widespread support from the workers and after a brief time they were all overthrown. These events created a quandary for the Marxist revolutionaries in Europe. Under Marxist economic theory, the oppressed workers were supposed to be the beneficiaries of a social revolution that would place them on top of the power structure. When these revolutionary opportunities presented themselves, however, the workers did not respond. The Marxist revolutionaries did not blame their theory for these failures. They blamed the workers.

    [MORE]

    One group of Marxist intellectuals resolved their quandary by an analysis that focused on society’s cultural “superstructure” rather than on the economic substructures as Marx did. The Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci and Hungarian Marxist Georg Lukacs contributed the most to this new cultural Marxism…

    Among Marxists, Gramsci is noted for his theory of cultural hegemony as the means to class dominance. In his view, a new “Communist man” had to be created before any political revolution was possible. This led to a focus on the efforts of intellectuals in the fields of education and culture. Gramsci envisioned a long march through the society’s institutions, including the government, the judiciary, the military, the schools and the media. He also concluded that so long as the workers had a Christian soul, they would not respond to revolutionary appeals…

    Lukacs believed that for a new Marxist culture to emerge, the existing culture must be destroyed. He said, “I saw the revolutionary destruction of society as the one and only solution to the cultural contradictions of the epoch,” and, “Such a worldwide overturning of values cannot take place without the annihilation of the old values and the creation of new ones by the revolutionaries.”

    When he became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary in 1919, Lukacs launched what became known as “Cultural Terrorism.” As part of this terrorism he instituted a radical sex education program in Hungarian schools. Hungarian children were instructed in free love, sexual intercourse, the archaic nature of middle-class family codes, the out-datedness of monogamy, and the irrelevance of religion, which deprives man of all pleasures. Women, too, were called to rebel against the sexual mores of the time. Lukacs’s campaign of “Cultural Terrorism” was a precursor to what Political Correctness would later bring to American schools.

    In 1923, Lukacs and other Marxist intellectuals associated with the Communist Party of Germany founded the Institute of Social Research at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt, Germany. The Institute, which became known as the Frankfurt School, was modeled after the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow. In 1933, when Nazis came to power in Germany, the members of the Frankfurt School fled. Most came to the United States.

    The members of the Frankfurt School conducted numerous studies on the beliefs, attitudes and values they believed lay behind the rise of National Socialism in Germany. The Frankfurt School’s studies combined Marxist analysis with Freudian psychoanalysis to form the basis of what became known as “Critical Theory.” Critical Theory was essentially destructive criticism of the main elements of Western culture, including Christianity, capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, hierarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnocentrism, convention and conservatism. These criticisms were reflected in such works of the Frankfurt School as Erich Fromm’s Escape from Freedom and The Dogma of Christ, Wilhelm’s Reich’s The Mass Psychology of Fascism and Theodor Adorno’s The Authoritarian Personality.

    The Authoritarian Personality, published in 1950, substantially influenced American psychologists and social scientists. The book was premised on one basic idea, that the presence in a society of Christianity, capitalism and the patriarchal-authoritarian family created a character prone to racial prejudice and German fascism. The Authoritarian Personality became a handbook for a national campaign against any kind of prejudice or discrimination on the theory that if these evils were not eradicated, another Holocaust might occur on the American continent. This campaign, in turn, provided a basis for Political Correctness…

    To achieve this, the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School recognized that traditional beliefs and the existing social structure would have to be destroyed and then replaced. The patriarchal social structure would be replaced with matriarchy; the belief that men and women are different and properly have different roles would be replaced with androgyny; and the belief that heterosexuality is normal would be replaced with the belief that homosexuality is “normal.”

    Marcuse may be the most important member of the Frankfurt School in terms of the origins of Political Correctness, because he was the critical link to the counterculture of the 1960s. His objective was clear: “One can rightfully speak of a cultural revolution, since the protest is directed toward the whole cultural establishment, including morality of existing society…” His means was liberating the powerful, primeval force of sex from its civilized restraints, a message preached in his book, Eros and Civilization, published in 1955. Marcuse became one of the main gurus of the 1960s adolescent sexual rebellion; he himself coined the expression, “make love, not war.” With that role, the chain of Marxist influence via the Frankfurt School was completed: from Lukacs’s service as Deputy Commissar for Culture in the Bolshevik Hungarian government in 1919 to American students burning the flag and taking over college administration buildings in the 1960s. Today, many of these same colleges are bastions of Political Correctness, and the former student radicals have become the faculties.

    When addressing the general public, advocates of Political Correctness – or cultural Marxism, to give it its true name – present their beliefs attractively. It’s all just a matter of being “sensitive” to other people, they say. They use words such as “tolerance” and “diversity,” asking, “Why can’t we all just get along?”

    The reality is different. Political Correctness is not at all about “being nice,” unless one thinks gulags are nice places. Political Correctness is Marxism, with all that implies: loss of freedom of expression, thought control, inversion of the traditional social order and, ultimately, a totalitarian state. If anything, the cultural Marxism created by the Frankfurt School is more horrifying than the old, economic Marxism that ruined Russia. At least the economic Marxists did not exalt sexual perversion and attempt to create a matriarchy, as the Frankfurt School and its descendants have done.

    This short essay has sought to show one critical linkage, that between classical Marxism and the ingredients of the “cultural revolution” that broke out in America in the 1960s. The appendices to this paper offer a “wiring diagram” which may make the trail easier to follow, along with a more detailed look at some of the main actors. Of course, the action does not stop in the ‘60s; the workings of Frankfurt School are yet very much with us, especially in the field of education. That topic, and other present-day effects of Frankfurt School thinking, will be the subjects of future chapters in this book.

    Theodor Adorno

    They would posit the existence of authoritarian personalities among Americans with tendencies toward prejudice, and then exploit this to force the “scientifically planned re-education” of Americans with the excuse that it was being done in order to eradicate prejudice.

    This scientifically-planned re-education would become the master plan for the transformation of America’s system of fundamental values into their opposite revolutionary values in American education so that school children would become replicas of the Frankfurt School revolutionary characters and thus create the New American Child.

    This can be confirmed by noting that The Authoritarian Personality is the key source of the affective domain of Benjamin Bloom’s Taxonomy of Educational Objectives of 1964, which guided the education cartel thereafter.

  442. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    Which brings us to the question of Iran. …, I shall be out protesting that act with every fibre.

    Let’s hope you’re right (that Iran won’t be attacked). While I agree, it’s not with great confidence, and imo it’s not adequate to protest post facto. The current demonization must be challenged, and the forces of evil or insanity not underestimated.

    You wanted verification of my anecdote, lol. Those people don’t leave paper trails on stuff like that, and they’re all long dead now. Geo and S2 chimed in with irrelevant nepotism examples. I could care less who puts their family or friends in control of private business. (Our PE Trump groomed his kids to take over his interests, and more power to them.) But when a cabal takes over a government agency that influences our foreign alignments and state of war or peace, it’s wrong. There is no doubt that US Jews have dual allegiance, and my story was from the 70′s – before Jews started questioning Israeli policy, and before you were born.

    Last week Code Pink held a “People’s Tribunal on the Iraq War.” Great idea, and John Kiriakou, Ray McGovern, and Phil Giraldi testified -among many others- about how we were lied and manipulated into war in 2003. BUT, having approved Alison Weir as a presenter, CP reneged on her invitation just days before the Tribunal. They had no good excuse, so it was a conscious decision to hide a significant piece of the puzzle. Now Alison has taken to the web to share her presentation, apparently too hot for Code Pink to handle.

    How Pro-Israel Neocons Pushed for War in Iraq

    • Replies: @geokat62
  443. geokat62 says:

    Chapter III, Political Correctness in Higher Education, by T. Kenneth Cribb, Jr.

    Loved this quote at the very end of this excerpt:

    One of Edmund Burke’s most famous sayings is that “the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    On a growing number of university campuses the freedom to articulate and discuss ideas – a principle that has been the cornerstone of higher education since the time of Socrates – is eroding at an alarming rate. Consider just one increasing trend: hundreds (sometimes thousands) of copies of conservative student newspapers have been either stolen or publicly burned by student radicals. In many cases these acts have taken place with the tacit support of faculty and administrators. The perpetrators are rarely disciplined.

    While it would be easy to dismiss such demonstrations of intolerance as student pranks, these incidents are the surface manifestations of a more pervasive and insidious trend – a trend that has as its goal the destruction of the liberal arts tradition that has helped create and sustain Western civilization.

    Though some pundits have claimed that the prevalence of the ideological intolerance known as Political Correctness has been exaggerated, the opposite is closer to the truth. Political Correctness has become so deeply ingrained in American higher education that many campuses are now dominated by an atmosphere of uncertainty and apprehension. An increasing number of dedicated students and faculty members now live in fear that their intellectual pursuit of truth will offend the Grand Inquisitors of Political Correctness.

    [MORE]

    Ideology vs. Liberal Education

    The stakes in this war of ideas are high, for they include the very concept of freedom itself. Americans have always understood the intimate and vital connection between liberal education and political liberty. That is why Political Correctness is nothing less than a death blow aimed at the heart of our republic.

    Militant professors in increasing numbers are shamelessly turning their podiums into pulpits, abandoning the search for objective truth and setting about the task of indoctrinating their students.

    The Devastated Curriculum

    The proponents of Political Correctness have concentrated their efforts on the core of a liberal education, the curriculum. Their efforts will radically alter what new generations of Americans will learn. In this battle the handmaiden of Political Correctness has been the “multicultural” movement. A number of critics have rightly pointed out that multiculturalism is more than an argument for courses that concentrate on groups that at one time were disadvantaged or oppressed. Rather, multiculturalism involves the systematic restructuring of the curriculum so as to hinder students from learning about the Western tradition. Since the ulterior motive behind Political Correctness is an attempt to restructure American society along egalitarian lines, it is imperative for its proponents to instill in the minds of students a thoroughgoing cultural relativism.

    Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the Politically Correct assault on the curriculum is that it has occurred at many of America’s elite universities. Take, for example, the case of Stanford University, an institution that has long played a leadership role in American higher education. Stanford eliminated its long-standing Western civilization requirement in 1988 and replaced it with a multicultural program known as “Cultures, Ideas, and Values.” Under this new program freshmen at Stanford can just as easily study Marxist revolutionaries in Central America as they can Plato, Shakespeare or Newton.

    Stanford has also led the movement away from serious study of history. Students at Stanford, like students at all but one of the other top 50 universities in the United States, are not required to take a single course in history. Instead, they are offered a choice of courses under the heading of “American Cultures.” According to one recent graduate of Stanford, it is impossible to fulfill the “American Cultures” requirement by studying Protestantism, Irish Americans, or the American West, while courses that do fulfill the requirement include “Film and Literature: US-Mexico Border Representations” and “Contemporary Ethnic Drama.” Stanford students must also take courses in “World Cultures” and “Gender Studies” that include “Chicana Expressive Culture” and “Misogyny and Feminism in the Renaissance.”

    Because elite institutions such as Stanford set an example for the rest of American higher education, other universities eagerly adopt these devastating assaults on the curriculum. This “trickle-down” effect will have a long-lasting impact on the way future generations of Americans will be educated.

    Intolerance and the Assault on Freedom

    The two pillars that have traditionally sustained the liberal arts are academic freedom and freedom of speech. Without the freedom to pursue the truth and to write and speak freely, authentic scholarship is impossible. But both of these fundamental freedoms have been routinely abrogated by the establishment of speech codes, “sensitivity” classes, and a general atmosphere of fear and intimidation on campus.

    The most tragic victims of this age of Political Correctness are the students. The traditional goal of a liberal arts education – acculturation, whereby students absorb the inherited wisdom of the past – has been set aside. Increasingly, a university education today seems to involve rote learning of political opinions. When all is said and done, Political Correctness substitutes smug feelings of righteousness for the traditional habits of critical thinking. One distinguished scholar recently lamented that “higher education is increasingly about acquiring attitudes and opinions that one puts on like a uniform.”

    These alternatives papers have identified abuses at all levels of academic life and engaged in investigative journalism that has been remarkably fair and accurate. Perhaps the most well-known “scoop” came from Yale University’s alternative paper, Light & Truth, a publication supported by the Collegiate Network. The editors of Light & Truth discovered that the $20 million gift of alumnus Lee Bass was not being used for its intended purpose of supporting an integrated course in Western civilization. Their report broke open the scandal, which ended when Yale returned Mr. Bass’s money. The subsequent furor cost Yale a great deal more than Mr. Bass’s $20 million – both in monetary terms and in the loss of confidence of many Yale donors that the current administration can be trusted.

    In the long run, the most direct method of defeating the inquisitors of Political Correctness is simply to stand up to them. Individual acts of defiance often entail serious risks: students can face star-chamber proceedings that are humiliating and demoralizing while faculty can lose their bids to receive tenure. But every act of resistance causes a ripple, encouraging others to stand up to ideological intimidation. With the support of a significant number of parents, donors and alumni, these Davids may yet slay the Goliaths who tower over them.

    The Fire of True-Learning

    Perhaps the strongest force for true academic reform is that which seeks to defeat the ideological depredations of Political Correctness by winning the war of ideas. The best students have a questioning intelligence that cannot be satisfied with political slogans. When such students have access to serious scholarship they respond with enthusiasm. Even today acculturation still takes place under the mentorship of outstanding scholars at various institutions around the country. Moreover, some colleges and universities continue to swim against the ideological tides of our time.

    One of Edmund Burke’s most famous sayings is that “the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” For generations, Americans have treated higher education with respect and awe – a token of their faith in the liberating power of the liberal arts. But in the face of Political Correctness, it is time for the American public to temper its respect with a critical sensibility and to undertake a more direct effort to call academia to account. It is time for good men and women to demand that American higher education live up to its best traditions and eschew the tyranny of Political Correctness.

  444. geokat62 says:

    Chapter IV, Political Correctness: Deconstruction and Literature, by Jamie McDonald

    Literature is, if not the most important cultural indicator, at least a significant benchmark of a society’s level of civilization. Our nature and environment combine to form each individual mind, which in turn expresses itself in words. Literature, as the words society collectively holds up as exemplary, is then a starting point of sorts – a window into the culture.

    Today’s literary field is therefore worth examining for the insights it provides into our current cultural milieu. The contemporary American literary field is awash in “isms:” Marxism, Freudianism, feminism, and so on. Most of these are the academic cousins of what is called in the common culture “Political Correctness.” Literary theorists take their particular brand of criticism and apply it to literature in an effort to find self-affirmation in a “discovered” meaning of the text. For a feminist critic, for example, no longer does Andrew Marvel’s “Upon Appleton House” have the beauty of the grounds as its theme; it speaks instead of the evils of a patriarchal line of inheritance. These “cultural critics,” so named because they critique literature based on the point of view of a particular culture, arose in the 1960s, but their schools of criticism only truly began to pick up steam with the arrival of the school of deconstruction in the 1970s.

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    The works of the father of deconstruction, Jacques Derrida*, began to be translated from the French by American professor Gayatri Spivak** in the mid-1970s, a time when the U.S. literary scene was ripe for its influence. The economic Marxists were alive and well on American campuses, and the cultural critics were still being fed by the radicalism of the times. Feminists, “queer theorists” and “literature-by-people of color” critics had gained a foothold in the earlier decade, but they had in their meager arsenals only a vague feeling of repression. What they lacked was philosophical backing – the courage prompted by having their own logos. The arrival of deconstruction from France provided that philosophy.

    This new generation of critics instead became prime practitioners of what is known in literary circles as “cultural criticism.” They strained to view literature from the “woman’s point of view” or the “gay point of view” or the “radical minority point of view.” Their attempts were not to find meaning – they were influenced too greatly by relativists for that – but to find sexism, racism or “homophobia” in the works of male, European or heterosexual authors.

    Derridean deconstruction became a tool for these cultural critics. Simply stated, deconstruction is a school of thought that posits that words have no meaning. Instead, words have “traces” of meaning. The meaning of a word is continually disappearing, leaving us with only the memory, or trace, of what that meaning once was. (Similar to Heidegger’s term being, Derrida often uses the crossed-out word trace in an effort to indicate a meaning that is simultaneously present and disappearing.)…

    Based on this linguistic argument, deconstructionists conclude that since any meanings in words are so quickly diffused, we can never really communicate at all. Words no longer have meaning.

    Ultimately this is insufficient for today’s cultural critics – they need words to mean things so that they can point to artistic works and bemoan how they illustrate or exemplify the repression of minority cultures. But other than its general philosophy, deconstruction offered something more important. It offered the techniques to “show” how all language deconstructs itself.

    Once they realized the power of this school of thought, the cultural critics embraced it readily, for here they discovered a method of attack on the traditional interpretations of literary works. They used deconstruction to remove traditional meaning and replaced it with new meaning. That meaning was the Political Correctness that infests our society today. For example, after the traditional meaning of “How Do I Love Thee?” has been destabilized in the process described above, a feminist critic might come along and – in the absence of a stable traditional interpretation – declare that the poem is “really” concerned with how women in nineteenth-century England were conditioned to see themselves as secondary to men.

    The intelligentsia has forgotten its literature in its haste to promote its politics.

    But the real death knell for deconstruction will sound when the next generation of literary critics realizes that the very nature of what it does – read, think, analyze – is antithetical to deconstruction’s philosophical goals. The reliable savior of the intelligentsia is the common man and his common sense. Common sense dictates that words do mean things, and as deconstruction posits otherwise it will be relegated to the margins of society. Sadly, its effects will linger on – it has given a sense of validity to cultural criticism and established a marketplace for its ideas.

    * Derrida was born at daybreak on July 15, 1930, in a summer home in El Biar (Algiers), Algeria, into a Sephardic Jewish family (originally from Toledo) that became French in 1870 when the Crémieux Decree granted full French citizenship to the indigenous Arabic-speaking Jews of Algeria.

    ** born Gayatri Chakravorty, in Calcutta, India, she took on the surname of her ex-husband, Dr. Talbot Spivak, when they married in 1964.

  445. geokat62 says:

    Chapter V, Radical Feminism and Political Correctness, by Dr. Gerald L. Atkinson

    Perhaps no aspect of Political Correctness is more prominent in American life today than feminist ideology. Is feminism, like the rest of Political Correctness, based on the cultural Marxism imported from Germany in the 1930s? While feminism’s history in America certainly extends longer than sixty years, its flowering in recent decades has been interwoven with the unfolding social revolution carried forward by cultural Marxists.

    While it is the theme of this essay that the radical feminist movement is embraced by present day Political Correctness ideology, derived from cultural Marxism, feminism as such does have earlier roots. Feminism was conceived and birthed in America in the 1830s, in the generation experiencing the first stage of the industrial revolution. Women, who for centuries had shared the challenges of surviving in an agrarian life, were becoming part of a middle-class gentry with more time and energy to spend writing newspaper articles and novels for their “sisters.” The initial stages of the feminization of American culture had started.

  446. geokat62 says:

    Final installment.

    Chapter VI, Further Readings on the Frankfurt School, by William S. Lind

    The most readable English-language history of the Frankfurt School is Martin Jay’s book, The Dialectical Imagination: A History of the Frankfurt School and the Institute for Social Research, 1932 – 1950 (University of California Press, Berkeley, CA, 1973 – new edition in 1996)…

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    In his first chapter, “The Creation of the Institut für Sozialforschung and Its First Frankfurt Years,” Jay lays bare the Institute’s Marxist origins and nature, and equally its efforts to conceal both: “The original idea of calling it the Institut für Marxismus (Institute for Marxism) was abandoned as too provocative, and a more Aesopian alternative was sought (not for the last time in the Frankfurt School’s history).”… Jay’s first chapter also introduces the Institute’s critical shift that laid the basis for today’s Political Correctness, a.k.a. cultural Marxism: “if it can be said that in early years of its history the Institut concerned itself primarily with an analysis of bourgeois society’s socio-economic substructure, in the years after 1930 its prime interest lay in its cultural superstructure.”

    The second chapter, “The Genius of Critical Theory,” gets at the heart of the “Critical Studies” departments that now serve as the fonts of Political Correctness on American college campuses. All of these are branches and descendants of the Critical Theory first developed in the 1930s by the Frankfurt School. The term “Critical Theory” is itself something of a play on words. One is tempted to ask, “OK, what is the theory?” The answer is, “The theory is to criticize.” Jay writes, “Critical Theory, as its name implies, was expressed through a series of critiques of other thinkers and philosophical traditions…Only by confronting it in its own terms, as a gadly of other systems, can it be fully understood.” The goal of Critical Theory was not truth, but praxis, or revolutionary action: bringing the current society and culture down through unremitting, destructive criticism. According to Jay, “The true object of Marxism, Horkheimer argued (Max Horkheimer succeeded Carl Grünberg as director of the Institute in July, 1930), was not the uncovering of immutable truths, but the fostering of social change.”

    The central question facing the Institute in the early 1930s was how to apply Marxism to the culture. The title of Jay’s third chapter gives the answer: “The Integration of Psychoanalysis.” Here, Jay’s book falls down to some extent, in that it does not offer a clear understanding of how the Institute integrated Marx and Freud. The answer appears to be that Freud’s later critiques were made conditional on a capitalist, bourgeois order: a revolutionary, post-capitalist society could “liberate” man from his Freudian repression.

    Here again one sees key aspects of Political Correctness emerging, including a demand for sexual “liberation” and the attack on “patriarchal” Western culture.

    If the precise nature of the blending of Marx and Freud is left open by Jay, his next chapter makes the blend’s application clear: “The Institute’s First Studies of Authority.” The Institute left Germany for New York in 1933 because the Nazis came to power in Germany. Not surprisingly, one of the Institute’s first tasks in New York was to oppose Nazism. It did so largely by concocting a psychological “test” for an “authoritarian personality.” Supposedly, people with this authoritarian personality were likely to support Nazism. Both the concept and the methodology were doubtful at best. But the Institute’s work laid down an important tool for the left, namely a notion that anyone on the right was psychologically unbalanced. And it marked a key turning for the Institute in the birth of Political Correctness in America, in that the empirical research the studies demanded was done on Americans. Ultimately, the result was Institute member Theodor Adorno’s vastly influential book, The Authoritarian Personality, published in 1950…

    One key piece of history is missing: “an analysis of Marcuse’s influential transmission of the Frankfurt School’s work to a new American audience in the 1960s,”12 as Jay puts it in his epilogue. Also, Jay curiously passes over with only the most minimal discussion the effective move of the Institute, in the persons of Horkheimer and Adorno, to Los Angeles during the war. Did the connections they built there play any role in injecting the Frankfurt School’s philosophy into American film and, after the war, television? Jay does not touch upon the subject.

    But for the reader new to the Frankfurt School as the source of today’s Political Correctness, Jay’s The Dialectical Imagination offers a solid base. The book concludes with an extensive (though not annotated) bibliography of works by and about the Frankfurt School.

    As to other accessible works about the Frankfurt School, the definitive modern work in German has recently been translated into English: The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theories and Political Significance by Rolf Wiggershaus, (translated by Michael Robertson, The MIT Press, Cambridge, MA, first paperback edition 1995)… In the book’s Afterword, Wiggershaus offers a brief look (and a hostile one) at some German conservative critiques of the Frankfurt School. A picture emerges that will seem familiar to Americans entrapped in the coils of Political Correctness:

    Since the publication in 1970 of his book The Poverty of Critical Theory, Rohrmoser has promulgated, in constantly varying forms, the view that Marcuse, Adorno, and Horkheimer were the terrorists’ intellectual foster-parents, who were using cultural revolution to destroy the traditions of the Christian West. Academics such as Ernst Topitsch and Kurt Sontheimer, who saw themselves as educators and liberal democrats, followed in Rohrmoser’s footsteps. In 1972 Topitsch, a critical rationalist who was Professor of Philosophy in Graz, had stated that behind the slogans of “rational discussion” and “dialogue free of domination” there was being established at the universities “a distinct terrorism of political convictions such as never existed before, even under Nazi tyranny.”

    Beyond these secondary works lies the vast literature produced by members of the Frankfurt School itself…

    One work, however, is of such importance that it must be recommended despite its difficulty: Eros and Civilization by Herbert Marcuse (Beacon Press, Boston, first paperback edition in 1974 and still in print). Subtitled A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud, this book holds center stage for two reasons. First, it completes the task of integrating Marx and Freud… Second, Eros and Civilization and its author were the key means of transmission by which the intellectual work of the Frankfurt School was injected into the student rebellion of the 1960s. This book became the bible of the young radicals who took over America’s college campuses from 1965 onward, and who are still there as faculty members…

    In brief, Eros and Civilization urges total rebellion against traditional Western culture – the “Great Refusal” – and promises a Candyland utopia of free sex and no work to those who join the revolution. About two-thirds of the way through the book, Marcuse offers this summary of its arguments:

    Our definition of the specific historical character of the established reality principle led to a reexamination of what Freud considered to be universal validity. We questioned this validity in view of the historical possibility of the abolition of the repressive controls imposed by civilization. The very achievements of this civilization seemed to make the performance principle obsolete, to make the repressive utilization of the instincts archaic. But the idea of a non-repressive civilization on the basis of the achievements of the performance principle encountered the argument that instinctual liberation (and consequently total liberation) would explode civilization itself, since the latter is sustained only through renunciation and work (labor) – in other words, through the repressive utilization of instinctual energy. Freed from these constraints, man would exist without work and without order; he would fall back into nature, which would destroy culture. To meet this argument, we recalled certain archetypes of imagination which, in contrast to the culture-heroes of repressive productivity, symbolized creative receptivity. These archetypes envisioned the fulfillment of man and nature, not through domination and exploitation, but through release of inherent libidinal forces. We then set ourselves the task of “verifying” these symbols – that is to say, demonstrating their truth value as symbols of a reality beyond the performance principle. We thought that the representative content of the Orphic and Narcissistic images was the erotic reconciliation (union) of man and nature in the aesthetic attitude, where order is beauty and work is play.

    Marcuse continues after this summary to lay out the erotic content of the “reality beyond the performance principle,” i.e., a new civilization where work and productivity were unimportant. “The basic experience in this (aesthetic) dimension is sensuous rather than conceptual,” that is, feelings are more important than logic: “The discipline of aesthetics installs the order of sensuousness as against the order of reason.”

    “In German, sensuousness and sensuality are still rendered by one and the same term: Sinnlichkeit. It connotes instinctual (especially sexual) gratification…17 No longer used as a full-time instrument of labor, the body would be resexualized… (which) would first manifest itself in a reactivation of all erotogenic zones and, consequently, in a resurgence of pre-genital polymorphous sexuality and in a decline of genital supremacy. The body in its entirety would become an object of cathexis, a thing to be enjoyed – an instrument of pleasure. This change in the value and scope of libidinal relations would lead to a disintegration of the institutions in which the private interpersonal relations have been organized, particularly the monogamic and patriarchal family.”

    This in a book which Marcuse dedicated to Sophie Marcuse, his wife of fifty years!

    It is easy to see how this message – “If it feels good, do it” – published in 1955 resonated with the student rebels of the 1960s. Marcuse understood what most of the rest of his Frankfurt School colleagues did not: the way to destroy Western civilization – the objective set forth by George Lukacs in 1919 – was not through abstruse theory, but through sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll. Marcuse wrote other works for the new generation that spawned the New Left – One Dimensional Man (1964), Critique of Pure Tolerance (1965), An Essay on Liberation (1969), Counterrevolution and Revolt (1972). But Eros and Civilization was and remains the key work, the one that put the match to the tinder.

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  447. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    Geo and S2 chimed in with irrelevant nepotism examples.

    Look for it, but couldn’t find it. Did I chime in this thread or another one?

  448. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Geo – thanks much for those posts. William Lind is a great man! Especially in the matters of state and military history and strategy.

    I think he is an old-school monarchist to boot.

    Peace.

  449. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    What is dead as last week’s mutton, Sam, is the system of apartheid. Wake up and smell the mutton.

    Speaking of smelling the mutton, here’s someone with a properly functioning olfactory organ:

    The problem with this type of questioning is the assumption that the crisis is still prospective. Israel & Palestine will become one state, there will be apartheid there some day. When it’s one state now, and it’s apartheid. Seven years ago Bob Simon told Americans that time was running out for a two-state solution. How long a clock are the timekeepers at “60 Minutes” giving Israel? Tick tick tick.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/positive-suggests-netanyahu/

  450. Susy Penn says:

    I think we will see the end of geopolitical truth that commit to world development (or) globe destruction by no Nbomb.

    We know ME agendas of every country there. We know lipstick or cosmetic or syntethic material since 1944. We are civilian. Refusing civilian casualties.

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