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One of the most discouraging aspects of the filling out of the Donald Trump cabinet is the array of Iran haters that seem to be lining up in the foreign policy and national security areas. Trump has been personally advocating sensible policies relating to Russia and Syria but he appears to have gone off the rails regarding Iran, which just might be attributed to those who are giving him advice. A reversion to the relationship that prevailed prior to last year’s signing of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPA) between Iran and the so-called P5+1 consisting of the United States, Russia, China, France, Britain, and the European Union would be undesirable, to say the least, but that appears to be what is likely to develop. Or it could be even worse, finding bilateral support for “action” as a number of policy advisors in the presidential campaign from both parties were endorsing something like war against the Persians.

The irony is that the argument made then and now for attacking Iran were based on the threat of Tehran deciding to build its own atomic bomb. With the JCPA agreement, however, most would agree that any remaining concerns that Tehran might even be considering the development of a nuclear weapons program were greatly diminished. Iran has since that time been in compliance with the agreement, possible nuclear proliferation has been avoided, and, apart from the fulminations of the inevitable anti-Iranian politicians in the United States, the signatories to the agreement have expressed their satisfaction with the outcome. It has been Washington that has failed to live up to its part of the agreement by easing remaining restrictions that are being imposed against Iranian financial institutions and regarding the purchase of some commercially available dual use technologies.

Candidate Donald Trump did not need much prompting to pick up on the prevailing anti-Iran sentiment. In a number of campaign speeches he denounced the JCPA as a bad deal and vowed to tear it up upon taking office. Some of that sentiment might well have been derived from his desire to distance himself from foreign policy positions promoted by President Barack Obama that were subsequently endorsed by Hillary Clinton so it is no surprise that since being elected he has somewhat modified his stance. He is now veering towards trying to renegotiate the agreement, which would likely be impossible given that it has multiple signatories. He could nevertheless disrupt it by continuing or increasing sanctions on Iran.

The thought of reverting to a state of unrelenting hostility towards Iran is disconcerting. One recalls joint CIA-Mossad operations between 2010 and 2012 that assassinated four civilian scientists connected to the country’s nuclear program as well as the creation of the Stuxnet virus that threatened to spread to other computers worldwide. It is generally accepted that Israel’s Mossad planned and prepared the killing of the scientists with a little help from the U.S., attacks which were almost certainly carried out by associates of the radical Marxist group Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), which is now being seen favorably by several Trump advisors even though the group is Marxist, cult-like and has killed Americans.

The assassinations were based on the false premise that Iran had a nuclear weapons program that could be disrupted by killing the scientists and technicians involved. Two comprehensive studies by the American government’s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) conducted in 2007 and 2011 determined that no such program existed and that Iran had never taken any serious steps to initiate such research. Israel was also aware that there was no program. Nevertheless, the Israeli and American governments took steps to interfere with Iran’s existing and completely legal and open to inspection atomic energy program by identifying then killing its scientists and also introducing viruses into its computer systems. This was in spite of the fact that Iran was fully compliant with international norms on nuclear research and it was a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Israel, possessing its own nuclear arsenal, had refused to sign.

The history of the Iran-U.S. relationship is significant because several Trump advisors appear to be locked into a time warp regarding the Mullahs and the threat to Americans that they allegedly constitute. Former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) head Michael Flynn, who will be the Trump National Security Advisor, is the most prominent Iran hater and also the most outspoken.

Flynn, also an unapologetic Islamophobe, has said that Iran represents a danger to U.S. national security and that our friend and ally Israel “lives under the threat of total annihilation from Iran…something the United States must never allow.” He believes that Iran intends to build nuclear weapons as well as the ballistic missiles needed to deliver them on target and thinks that “regime change” is the only solution to the threat posed by the current government. And for Flynn, Iran is not alone, it is part of a “global alliance” that includes China and Russia which seeks to threaten the U.S. and its allies.

Flynn concludes that Iran is unmitigated evil and that Washington should have nothing to do with it, apart from recognizing the reality that it and its government must be destroyed. I personally attended a conference in Moscow last December at which Flynn asserted that Iran is solely responsible for nearly all the instability in the Middle East and is behind at least five wars in the region, an assertion that is just as ridiculous as it sounds.

One might suggest that Flynn is terribly uninformed about a subject regarding which he claims expertise. His comments would suggest that the capabilities of the DIA that he once headed were dangerously overrated, but reports from his former colleagues indicate that he was always guilty of serious overreach in his pronouncements, something they referred to as “Flynn facts”.

If Flynn were just one loud voice braying in the wilderness he would be bad enough since his job is important, particularly with a president who has no foreign policy experience, but the sad fact is that he is not alone. Congressman, West Point grad and former Army officer Mike Pompeo, who will head the CIA, is more-or-less on the same page when it comes to Iran. Her supports new sanctions on the country and, regarding his appointment as Director, he had only one comment to make and it related to the JCPA, “I look forward to rolling back this disastrous deal with the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism.” As in the case with Flynn and DIA one has to wonder what kind of “objective” intelligence CIA will be producing under Pompeo.

Finally, there is retired Marine General James Mattis, who is being considered for a senior position in national security, possibly as Secretary of Defense. He is yet another Iranophobe who opposed the JCPA and calls Iran a rogue state that constitutes the “greatest threat” in the Middle East. As part of the evidence for that assessment he cites Iran’s alliance with Syria, which is at least in part directed against America’s enemy number one ISIS, demonstrating once again how Establishment Washington has difficulty in understanding what constitutes actual national interests. Mattis, in fact, denies that Iran is actually fighting ISIS.

The neoconservative kingpin Bill Kristol is gloating, headlining in his Weekly Standard publication that the “Iran Deal Is Doomed!” He should be pleased. Team Trump’s attitude towards an alleged Iranian threat is delusional, more in sync with Kristol and some Israeli thinking than with any actual American interests. Just as neoconservatives always believe that it is 1938 and we are in Munich, Flynn, Pompeo and Mattis likewise seem to think that it is 1979 and the United States Embassy in Tehran is still occupied.

The three Trumpsmen are not stupid, far from it, but the problem appears to be that they cannot comfortably assess two or more conflicting concepts at the same time, which might be due to the linear thinking derived from their military backgrounds. The Middle East is awash with players, all of whom have separate agendas, few of which coincide with actual American interests. If one is fixated on or obsessed with Iran as the sole disruptive force in the region it becomes difficult to see how Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel are also problems. It is decidedly neoconnish to look at a complex foreign policy issue and only see black and white, but that is what the Trump national security team seems to be prone to do.

Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war. It requires building on the relationship established by JCPA to bind Iran more closely to the international community, both economically and culturally. By all accounts, young Iranians, a majority of the population, are dismissive of the rigidity of their own government and are very open to Western ideas and lifestyle. Change will come to Iran if the United States and its European allies encourage more rather than less non-threatening contact. It will not come at the point of a bayonet as Flynn, Pompeo and Mattis appear to be promoting.

 
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  1. Mark Green says: • Website

    Why is Washington (and the Deep State) obsessed with Iran? After all, Iran poses no conceivable threat to the US. The never-ending ‘crisis’ between Tehran and Washington is primarily about Israel. ‘America First’ will just have to wait.

    Just as the US destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were crypto-Israeli hits, Iran is now at the very top of Israel’s ‘Injure and Weaken’ list.

    And since US military and political power is very much in the hands of high-powered Zionist operatives, Iran must be softened up until the time is right for either a Syria-style destabilization campaign, or an Iraq-style annihilation. The Zionist-friendly, re-making of the Middle East is still underway. It’s a Deep State affair that’s been unofficial policy since the PNAC papers.

    Like all modern US presidents, Trump has no intention of starting his presidency in a struggle with the ubiquitous Israel lobby. Let’s get real. Thus, heightened political and economic pressure on Iran is inevitable. Zionists demand it.

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    • Replies: @Yevardian
    Iran remains a functioning example of successful resistance (no matter how long ago) to the USA and so it must be destroyed.

    Honestly, the Obama era will probably be remembered as a period of relative peace.

    , @Greasy William
    1. We don't need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves

    2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! I know you really want a US attack on Iran because it will give you more material to complain about but it will never come to pass.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "Iran is now at the very top of Israel's 'Injure and Weaken list."

    Yes, Mr. Green, you are right. Zionists are aching to settle matters in "Greater Israel" territorial favor so that they can concentrate efforts & "pivot" eastward where the big consumer market is. No doubt, President Donald Trump will go in such direction.

    Have you read the Wall Street Journal article a couple weeks ago, which focused upon huge global investment plans in China ? The Goldman Sachs Group was reported to be involved in high level negotiations with the P.R.C. government. Goldman Sachs wants to engage investment opportunities minus the state regulatory need for having to team with Chinese firms.

    Get this? In today's Wall Street Journal, and as notorious global wheeler & dealer Goldman Sachs wants free reign to operate in China, there's an article detailing how Beijing wants to rate citizen/consumers on their daily behavior and to correspondingly "reward or punish" people. Refer to article below?

    https://lbfromlv.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/chinas-new-tool-for-social-control-a-credit-rating-for-everything-by-josh-chin-and-gillian-wong-nov-28-2016-1146-a-m-et/

    Incredible how clever are Vampire Squid business planners and population pre-conditioners! They want to dictate morality (& accountability) to China's 1.4 billion "market," and simultaneously, the Goldman Sachs Group can make people eat McDonalds scraps fallen off from the Rich Man's annual P&L banquet table.
    , @Dieter Heymann
    Iran is the kingpin [1] of regime change and for Trump-revenge for the jailing of our diplomats by the students in Tehran.
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  2. Jason Liu says:

    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don’t share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

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    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don’t share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world.
     
    The false left wing vs right wing dichotomy is about as useful and obsolete as the sappy Republican vs Democrat one.

    One of the few politically sensible dichotomies is the "elite" vs the "deplorables."
    , @Che Guava

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world.
     
    I liked your statement, but would rephrase that half as
    'the faux international globalist, victimology step-ladder left is a greater threat to the modern world.'

    Hope that does not exceed your intentions, thought your original statement was a bit careless, but much liked the heart in it.
    , @jag37777
    Fascists (useful idiots of the rich) are getting very vocal lately.

    The left is not your enemy.
    , @Dieter Heymann
    Trump will work cordially with your "left-leaning" governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue. Iran is a different kettle of fish but you can hardly call its government "left-leaning" or do you?
    , @Hibernian
    Let's invade Canada!
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  3. MEexpert says:

    The neocons always win, even when they lose. Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy. And I thought Trump was smart.

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    • Replies: @Realist
    " Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy."

    That is correct money talks.

    "And I thought Trump was smart."

    In spite of the fact he is considering Romney for anything?

    I wonder if the Romney thing is a deal with the devil for services rendered.
    , @Dieter Heymann
    If I am not mistaken, Prime Minister Netanyahu is against our government pulling out of the Iran agreement. If that is correct, how does that square with your analysis?
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  4. Yevardian says:
    @Mark Green
    Why is Washington (and the Deep State) obsessed with Iran? After all, Iran poses no conceivable threat to the US. The never-ending 'crisis' between Tehran and Washington is primarily about Israel. 'America First' will just have to wait.

    Just as the US destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were crypto-Israeli hits, Iran is now at the very top of Israel's 'Injure and Weaken' list.

    And since US military and political power is very much in the hands of high-powered Zionist operatives, Iran must be softened up until the time is right for either a Syria-style destabilization campaign, or an Iraq-style annihilation. The Zionist-friendly, re-making of the Middle East is still underway. It's a Deep State affair that's been unofficial policy since the PNAC papers.

    Like all modern US presidents, Trump has no intention of starting his presidency in a struggle with the ubiquitous Israel lobby. Let's get real. Thus, heightened political and economic pressure on Iran is inevitable. Zionists demand it.

    Iran remains a functioning example of successful resistance (no matter how long ago) to the USA and so it must be destroyed.

    Honestly, the Obama era will probably be remembered as a period of relative peace.

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    Only entity will be doomed is "israel" along with those who supports it and created it, it's only a matter of time.
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  5. The fact that Iran is allied with Russia and that alternatives to the US dollar financial monopoly appear to have become increasingly developed will hopefully limit the scope of what the yankee imperium can accomplish in this area. Hopefully, reality will convince Trump not to go to far, though this does raise serious questions.

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  6. I don’t for a minute believe that Pompeo, Flynn and Mattis actually believe that Iran is the “world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism”. They would have to be morons to actually believe that blatant lie. The uninformed public and Trump may fall for the Zionist propaganda about Iran but these three are well informed and know the truth. Flynn even publicly stated that the rise of ISIS was “a willful Washington decision”. All three know that the Saudis are the single largest promoter of Wahhabi terrorism with U.S., Turkish and Israeli support.

    Like the politicians in Congress, these ambitious men know what policies will get them promoted (or campaign funding) and what views will end their careers. As others have mentioned, if you support Israeli centric policies, especially those relating to Iran, your promotion is assured regardless of which party you belong to.

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    What's most disturbing about US decision makers paying obeisance to zionists/Israel firsters is that zionists have not had a creative idea is over a century. They are banging on the same tired drum and don't realize themselves how boring and backward is the beat.

    US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
    That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.

    USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
    Iran has weathered all these challenges.

    USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.

    One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."

    But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.
    , @jacques sheete
    You are correct. One wonders why they even bother fabricating pretexts since they inevitably do what they want anyway and there's no effective way to bridle the jokers.

    Already Trump is proving how great a hustler he is, having duped the productive classes big time. Sadly, power seems already to be going to sap's head.

    While I'm happy that Hillabeast the War Sow got handed a well deserved rebuke and hopefully a quick slide into obscurity,I doubt Humpty Trump'll prove to be much of an improvement.
    , @Aren Haich
    "The Occupation Of The American Mind: Israel's Public Relations War In The United States"
    A film which has won high praise among all who are critical of Israel's extraordinary domination of American political scene.

    http://mediaed.org/occupationmovie/praise.html

    This documentary film, which has been shown on the Swedish Educational TV, has irritated Israelis so much that the Israeli envoy in Sweden urges the Swedes to "protest screening of anti-Israel film by state TV".

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-envoy-urges-swedes-to-protest-state-funded-screening-of-anti-israel-film/

    One can only hope this documentary gets widespread screening; also in the US.
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  7. … radical Marxist group Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), which is now being seen favorably by several Trump advisors even though the group is Marxist, cult-like and has killed Americans.

    A minor point: what’s with smearing political organizations as ‘cult-like’? Do not US political parties (especially the Democrats, these days) behave like cults? Are not PNAC-neocons in the US a cult-like group? I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

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    I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.
     
    I saw an Aum Shinrikyo performance in central Tokyo once, after the subway gas attacks and just before they were made to change their name. They looked like a normal bunch of hippies doing interpretative dance, playing ambient music on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.
    , @survey-of-disinfo

    Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.
     
    Blind worship of leadership; forced marriages and divorces of members, with numerous children separated from parents, etc. It is not "cult-like". It is a cult.
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  8. Realist says:
    @MEexpert
    The neocons always win, even when they lose. Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy. And I thought Trump was smart.

    ” Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy.”

    That is correct money talks.

    “And I thought Trump was smart.”

    In spite of the fact he is considering Romney for anything?

    I wonder if the Romney thing is a deal with the devil for services rendered.

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  9. Thirdeye says:

    The contradictions in Trump’s international outlook could make him into the next Jimmy Carter.

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  10. Montefrío says: • Website

    Iran exercises national monetary sovereignty and makes a go of it: can’t have that as an example!

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    If even just Russia and Iran were to start conducting fossil-fuel and other business all in the Chinese yuan, the US dollar could take a hit from which it might not fully recover.
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  11. Amasius says:

    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

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    That's my thinking, maybe just wishful. Also got to throw a bone to Adelson et al
    , @Wally
    Let's hope so.

    The 'get Iran' talk has always been Trump's weakest point.
    While Obama's Iran policy was his best work.

    We should be doing business with Iran not isolating them and allowing others to take their huge market. Same with Russia.
    We're shooting ourselves in the foot by not doing so.

    , @Randal

    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.
     
    That's the hope for the world. But Giraldi's point here is that Trump's appointments suggest otherwise.

    Then again, it's probably too much to hope for sanity on both Russia and Iran in one US administration.
    , @moi
    Son-in-law and Zionist Jared Kushner is going to call the shots regarding our ME policy.

    Also, Giraldi should stop using the term "Mullahs" when referring to Iran. It is insulting and inaccurate--you'd think Giraldi would know better. Would he refer to our government as a "whitey" government...?
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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Israel must be tired of winning.

    This doesn’t mean that Iran shouldn’t get drubbed, pour effrayer les autres.

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  13. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The ‘Wars for Wall Street and Israel’ party wins again. We’ll kill as many ME and Asian Arabs as we must to let our good buddy Israel stay the #1 power in the region and to enable it to steal more land on its way to Eretz Israel, as Israel has no problem with sacrificing American blood and treasure.

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  14. By all accounts, young Iranians, a majority of the population, are dismissive of the rigidity of their own government and are very open to Western ideas and lifestyle. Change will come to Iran if the United States and its European allies encourage more rather than less non-threatening contact.

    Why must Iran “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle?”

    USA has a lot to learn from Iranian culture. Moreover, having just traveled nearly 3 000 miles in the USA and encountered a relentless landscape of fast food restaurants, big box stores and shopping malls, one hopes desperately that some corner of the world preserves an alternative, diverse way of defining “lifestyle.”

    imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle.”

    In an appearance before a US House subcommittee on Sept 12 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu told the congressmen that “Hollywood TV programs should be beamed into Iran, to induce young Iranians to want Hollywoodish clothes and swimming pools and fancy houses.”
    “That’s subversive,” Bibi concluded, to the tittered delight of his audience of sycophants. https://www.c-span.org/video/?172612-1/israeli-perspective-conflict-iraq

    The automatic assumption that Iran “must change” suggests that as problematic as the Iranophobia of Trump’s appointments are — and they are deeply disconcerting — the problem is far deeper than the subverted mindsets of four or five decision-makers or even of the neocons who wield the power to pressure them: the attitude that US — “Western” — values and lifestyle are superior and the cultural benchmark is ingrained in the American psyche.

    That aspect of Americanism is composed of equal parts ignorance, parochialism, and years of disinformation.

    Of those three elements, parochialism is the most amazing to contemplate: in this era of diversity and globalization, our Israeli friends are just as culturally inbred and terrified to venture out of their own little neighborhoods and comfort zones as are the vast numbers of Americans who keep all those fast fooderies and shopping centers in business.

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    imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle.”

     

    Imo as well.

    For instance, it's truly sad to see how the people of the Philippines, which is immensely rich in cultural heritage, try so hard to emulate things Western. It's often a truly degrading and depressing spectacle.

    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.
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  15. Miro23 says:

    Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war.

    This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian “regime change”.

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu’s efforts for years, with Israel needing it’s US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli “preventive” strike.

    The interesting part, is that, from the “America First” viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.

    Trump was elected on “America First”, promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.

    A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there’s no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.

    Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn’t fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he’s operating in “morality free territory”, rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.

    Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It’s difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.

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    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu’s efforts for years...
     
    Yup.

    And speaking of the goon, I wonder why this isn't common knowledge?


    “The Israeli press is picking up Grant Smith’s revelation from FBI documents that Benjamin Netanyahu was part of an Israeli smuggling ring that spirited nuclear triggers out of the U.S. in the 80s and 90s.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel.html
     

    Breathless warnings that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability have been made for decades. Here is a chronicle of predictions.
    - Scott Peterson, Staff writer

    www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Israel-s-one-year-timeframe-disproved-2010-11

     

    , @Seamus Padraig
    Could not agree more. A war with Iran would be a total disaster for both the US and Trump. Even if it turns that Trump really doesn't give a shit about us, he must still care about himself! Besides, if Russia blocked the efforts of the US & Friends to break up Syria, they are not just going to sit back and let us attack Iran. Since he claims to want better relations with Russia, this is something for Trump to think about.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Miro


    Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien...I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!
    , @RadicalCenter
    War against Iran would mean many body bags on TV and sky-high gas prices for a sustained period. In addition to harming American soldiers and families, that would doom Trump's re-election campaign, most likely.

    Praying that Trump has the sense and decency not to let these warmongering pricks Flynn and Pompeo egg him into a needless, non-defensive slaughter.

    , @Dieter Heymann
    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic " Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East". I do not deny that it plays a role but it may not even be the most important one.
    The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
    It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
    There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.
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  16. @Chet Roman
    I don’t for a minute believe that Pompeo, Flynn and Mattis actually believe that Iran is the “world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism”. They would have to be morons to actually believe that blatant lie. The uninformed public and Trump may fall for the Zionist propaganda about Iran but these three are well informed and know the truth. Flynn even publicly stated that the rise of ISIS was “a willful Washington decision”. All three know that the Saudis are the single largest promoter of Wahhabi terrorism with U.S., Turkish and Israeli support.

    Like the politicians in Congress, these ambitious men know what policies will get them promoted (or campaign funding) and what views will end their careers. As others have mentioned, if you support Israeli centric policies, especially those relating to Iran, your promotion is assured regardless of which party you belong to.

    What’s most disturbing about US decision makers paying obeisance to zionists/Israel firsters is that zionists have not had a creative idea is over a century. They are banging on the same tired drum and don’t realize themselves how boring and backward is the beat.

    US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
    That’s the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Compare to Iran: Over its millennia — hell, over the past 150 years — Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.

    USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
    Iran has weathered all these challenges.

    USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.

    One hears frequently that “Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy “the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . .

    But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.

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    Washington (CNN) — Voter turnout this year dipped to nearly its lowest point in two decades.
    While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year. That measure of turnout is the lowest in a presidential election since 1996, when 53.5% of voting-age citizens turned out.

    They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Demands, you say.
    , @Talha
    Hey S2C,

    and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence
     
    Darn right - those people are serious survivors - inshaAllah they aren't going anywhere. A war with Iran would be a disaster for both Iran and the US - I don't think the big shots know what they are dealing with - it will be nothing like Iraq.

    One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements - especially another war.

    An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan's lawless provinces to the Mediterranean - how that is in anyone's interest is beyond me.

    Peace.
    , @Avery
    { Kristol Krime Krew}

    Pretty clever.
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  17. @Jason Liu
    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don't share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don’t share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world.

    The false left wing vs right wing dichotomy is about as useful and obsolete as the sappy Republican vs Democrat one.

    One of the few politically sensible dichotomies is the “elite” vs the “deplorables.”

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  18. @Chet Roman
    I don’t for a minute believe that Pompeo, Flynn and Mattis actually believe that Iran is the “world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism”. They would have to be morons to actually believe that blatant lie. The uninformed public and Trump may fall for the Zionist propaganda about Iran but these three are well informed and know the truth. Flynn even publicly stated that the rise of ISIS was “a willful Washington decision”. All three know that the Saudis are the single largest promoter of Wahhabi terrorism with U.S., Turkish and Israeli support.

    Like the politicians in Congress, these ambitious men know what policies will get them promoted (or campaign funding) and what views will end their careers. As others have mentioned, if you support Israeli centric policies, especially those relating to Iran, your promotion is assured regardless of which party you belong to.

    You are correct. One wonders why they even bother fabricating pretexts since they inevitably do what they want anyway and there’s no effective way to bridle the jokers.

    Already Trump is proving how great a hustler he is, having duped the productive classes big time. Sadly, power seems already to be going to sap’s head.

    While I’m happy that Hillabeast the War Sow got handed a well deserved rebuke and hopefully a quick slide into obscurity,I doubt Humpty Trump’ll prove to be much of an improvement.

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  19. @SolontoCroesus

    By all accounts, young Iranians, a majority of the population, are dismissive of the rigidity of their own government and are very open to Western ideas and lifestyle. Change will come to Iran if the United States and its European allies encourage more rather than less non-threatening contact.
     
    Why must Iran "change" to "Western ideas and lifestyle?"

    USA has a lot to learn from Iranian culture. Moreover, having just traveled nearly 3 000 miles in the USA and encountered a relentless landscape of fast food restaurants, big box stores and shopping malls, one hopes desperately that some corner of the world preserves an alternative, diverse way of defining "lifestyle."

    imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to "change" to "Western ideas and lifestyle."

    In an appearance before a US House subcommittee on Sept 12 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu told the congressmen that "Hollywood TV programs should be beamed into Iran, to induce young Iranians to want Hollywoodish clothes and swimming pools and fancy houses."
    "That's subversive," Bibi concluded, to the tittered delight of his audience of sycophants. https://www.c-span.org/video/?172612-1/israeli-perspective-conflict-iraq

    The automatic assumption that Iran "must change" suggests that as problematic as the Iranophobia of Trump's appointments are -- and they are deeply disconcerting -- the problem is far deeper than the subverted mindsets of four or five decision-makers or even of the neocons who wield the power to pressure them: the attitude that US -- "Western" -- values and lifestyle are superior and the cultural benchmark is ingrained in the American psyche.

    That aspect of Americanism is composed of equal parts ignorance, parochialism, and years of disinformation.

    Of those three elements, parochialism is the most amazing to contemplate: in this era of diversity and globalization, our Israeli friends are just as culturally inbred and terrified to venture out of their own little neighborhoods and comfort zones as are the vast numbers of Americans who keep all those fast fooderies and shopping centers in business.

    imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle.”

    Imo as well.

    For instance, it’s truly sad to see how the people of the Philippines, which is immensely rich in cultural heritage, try so hard to emulate things Western. It’s often a truly degrading and depressing spectacle.

    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.

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    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.

    True story - but we killed a million of them anyway.

    What is wrong with us?

    Judaism's Zionist Zombies wanted us to take out Saddam and Iraq - another million people destroyed.

    Now the Zionist Zombies what us to take down Iran - same false claims - WMD nukes.

    Trump gave off the impression that he was not interested in more war. God help us if Trump caves to Judaism.

    Peace --- Art
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  20. @Miro23

    Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war.
     
    This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian "regime change".

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu's efforts for years, with Israel needing it's US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli "preventive" strike.

    The interesting part, is that, from the "America First" viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.

    Trump was elected on "America First", promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.

    A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there's no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.

    Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn't fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he's operating in "morality free territory", rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.

    Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It's difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu’s efforts for years…

    Yup.

    And speaking of the goon, I wonder why this isn’t common knowledge?

    “The Israeli press is picking up Grant Smith’s revelation from FBI documents that Benjamin Netanyahu was part of an Israeli smuggling ring that spirited nuclear triggers out of the U.S. in the 80s and 90s.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel.html

    Breathless warnings that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability have been made for decades. Here is a chronicle of predictions.
    - Scott Peterson, Staff writer

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Israel-s-one-year-timeframe-disproved-2010-11

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  21. biz says:

    Iranophpobe??

    Is that like “Islamophobe” aka a transparent and intellectually dishonest leftist attempt to brand perfectly reasonable opposition to a hideous ideology as a taboo prejudice against people? Signs point to yes.

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  22. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    What's most disturbing about US decision makers paying obeisance to zionists/Israel firsters is that zionists have not had a creative idea is over a century. They are banging on the same tired drum and don't realize themselves how boring and backward is the beat.

    US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
    That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.

    USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
    Iran has weathered all these challenges.

    USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.

    One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."

    But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.

    Washington (CNN) — Voter turnout this year dipped to nearly its lowest point in two decades.
    While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year. That measure of turnout is the lowest in a presidential election since 1996, when 53.5% of voting-age citizens turned out.

    They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Demands, you say.

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  23. Marcus says:
    @Amasius
    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

    That’s my thinking, maybe just wishful. Also got to throw a bone to Adelson et al

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  24. Boris N says:

    Sounds like an Internet meme: You voted against Clinton to stop the war in Syria and Iraq – Trump starts a war with Iran.

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  25. @Miro23

    Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war.
     
    This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian "regime change".

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu's efforts for years, with Israel needing it's US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli "preventive" strike.

    The interesting part, is that, from the "America First" viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.

    Trump was elected on "America First", promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.

    A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there's no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.

    Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn't fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he's operating in "morality free territory", rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.

    Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It's difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.

    Could not agree more. A war with Iran would be a total disaster for both the US and Trump. Even if it turns that Trump really doesn’t give a shit about us, he must still care about himself! Besides, if Russia blocked the efforts of the US & Friends to break up Syria, they are not just going to sit back and let us attack Iran. Since he claims to want better relations with Russia, this is something for Trump to think about.

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    Not to mention popular support that it has been lacking for a long time would coalesce around the Iranian regime.
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  26. BTW, for an alternative view of Gen. Flynn, here’s Thierry Meyssan, who happens to be very pro-Syrian: http://www.voltairenet.org/article194153.html

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  27. Marcus says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Could not agree more. A war with Iran would be a total disaster for both the US and Trump. Even if it turns that Trump really doesn't give a shit about us, he must still care about himself! Besides, if Russia blocked the efforts of the US & Friends to break up Syria, they are not just going to sit back and let us attack Iran. Since he claims to want better relations with Russia, this is something for Trump to think about.

    Not to mention popular support that it has been lacking for a long time would coalesce around the Iranian regime.

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  28. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    What's most disturbing about US decision makers paying obeisance to zionists/Israel firsters is that zionists have not had a creative idea is over a century. They are banging on the same tired drum and don't realize themselves how boring and backward is the beat.

    US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
    That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.

    USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
    Iran has weathered all these challenges.

    USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.

    One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."

    But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.

    Hey S2C,

    and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence

    Darn right – those people are serious survivors – inshaAllah they aren’t going anywhere. A war with Iran would be a disaster for both Iran and the US – I don’t think the big shots know what they are dealing with – it will be nothing like Iraq.

    One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements – especially another war.

    An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan’s lawless provinces to the Mediterranean – how that is in anyone’s interest is beyond me.

    Peace.

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    {An collapsed Iran}

    Iran is not going to collapse.

    People forget the Iraq-Iran war: Iranians doggedly fought for 8 years against the well equipped Iraqi military. Iran had only obsolescent equipment from Shah's days.
    Iraq was given massive support, including satellite intelligence, by US and other Western states.

    The whole Iranian nation stood up and fought for their country. For example, since Iran had no mineclearing equipment, Iranian teenagers voluntarily walked over minefields to save the valuable older troops for battle.
    Iranians will fight to the last man, if they have to.
    And Russia is not going to allow any direct attack by US or Israel on Iran.

    And as others have said, I don't see Trump's Iran rhetoric as serious.
    It is a complete disconnect: on the one hand he was very rational about Syria on the campaign trail. After his conversation with Putin, RuAF restarted the massive bombing campaign to eradicate the terrorists. So Trump must have told Putin he supports the eradication, as he had said during the debates. Aleppo is near-liberated.

    So what would be the illogic of picking a fight with Iran?
    Iranian elite troops are fighting to eradicate ISIS terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Why would Trump want to interfere?

    As to the Trump tearing up the nuke agreement: makes no practical difference for Iran. EU will not go along, and without EU's support, US will be all alone. Without EU, US has no effectual ways of pressuring Iran. Nothing will change, and US will look foolish and weak.

    , @Sam Shama
    Team Trump isn't thinking of, or planning for, a hot war with Iran; seeking instead, that she doesn't inexorably (a) move to nuclearise her arsenal (b) destabilise the market for crude (3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.

    On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours

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  29. Avery says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    What's most disturbing about US decision makers paying obeisance to zionists/Israel firsters is that zionists have not had a creative idea is over a century. They are banging on the same tired drum and don't realize themselves how boring and backward is the beat.

    US foreign policy is stagnant, calcified, myopic because zionism is stagnant, calcified and myopic.
    That's the worst thing about the outlooks of Flynn, Mattis, and Pompeo. Why these Americans would continue to sing the same, old, tired songs of the weakly standard Kristol Krime Krew is a puzzlement. They are boring, in a nation that demands a fresh new perspective.

    Compare to Iran: Over its millennia -- hell, over the past 150 years -- Iran has endured famine that halved its population, then recovered; it endured the forced puppeteering of its government, a coup, a revolution, war in which its civilians were killed with (proscribed) chemical weapons, economic war, etc., and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence, without resort to the hyper militarization that US & Israel deem essential.

    USA is 240 years old; Israel is 60-ish. USAians are freaking out that their economy is failing, their political system is fractured, their government is corrupt, and doom and demise are knocking at the door.
    Iran has weathered all these challenges.

    USA and zionists have utterly failed to learn from their (relatively brief) histories; they both engage in the fantasy view that their actions have been virtuous and are exemplary.

    One hears frequently that "Iran, or Russia (or some other rogue state) seeks to destroy "the international order established after WWII and guaranteed by USA . . ."

    But USA and the American people have not yet fully examined their role in WWII: under the toxic cloud of the charge of holocaust denial, the American people and the West are denied the essential requirement of accurately learning and learning from their history.

    { Kristol Krime Krew}

    Pretty clever.

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    “Americans”….

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  31. Sam Shama says:

    Iran has since that time been in compliance with the agreement, possible nuclear proliferation has been avoided

    Not quite. She has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/11/11/iaea-iran-violated-nuclear-deal/

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    Not quite. [Iran] has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.
     
    And how many provisions of the NPT has Israel breached, Sam. Oh, I almost forgot, the answer is zero... that's b/c Israel refuses to sign the NPT. Hey, no big deal... as iffen is so fond of saying "Do as I say, not as I do."
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  32. @Miro23

    Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war.
     
    This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian "regime change".

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu's efforts for years, with Israel needing it's US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli "preventive" strike.

    The interesting part, is that, from the "America First" viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.

    Trump was elected on "America First", promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.

    A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there's no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.

    Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn't fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he's operating in "morality free territory", rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.

    Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It's difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.

    Miro

    Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien…I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!

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    WTC 7 shows just how stupid and undisciplined the 9/11 conspirators were. They had more demo charges than they needed for 1 and 2, so they brought down 7 just for jollies even though it blew the cover story that 1 and 2 were brought down by the jet fuel fires. Somebody needed to get fired for that one.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I'm pretty sure that 9/11 Truthers don't feel hatred towards you at all, pity would be the most common and logical sentiment. Your posts here at unz.com really are pathetic.
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  33. Avery says:
    @Talha
    Hey S2C,

    and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence
     
    Darn right - those people are serious survivors - inshaAllah they aren't going anywhere. A war with Iran would be a disaster for both Iran and the US - I don't think the big shots know what they are dealing with - it will be nothing like Iraq.

    One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements - especially another war.

    An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan's lawless provinces to the Mediterranean - how that is in anyone's interest is beyond me.

    Peace.

    {An collapsed Iran}

    Iran is not going to collapse.

    People forget the Iraq-Iran war: Iranians doggedly fought for 8 years against the well equipped Iraqi military. Iran had only obsolescent equipment from Shah’s days.
    Iraq was given massive support, including satellite intelligence, by US and other Western states.

    The whole Iranian nation stood up and fought for their country. For example, since Iran had no mineclearing equipment, Iranian teenagers voluntarily walked over minefields to save the valuable older troops for battle.
    Iranians will fight to the last man, if they have to.
    And Russia is not going to allow any direct attack by US or Israel on Iran.

    And as others have said, I don’t see Trump’s Iran rhetoric as serious.
    It is a complete disconnect: on the one hand he was very rational about Syria on the campaign trail. After his conversation with Putin, RuAF restarted the massive bombing campaign to eradicate the terrorists. So Trump must have told Putin he supports the eradication, as he had said during the debates. Aleppo is near-liberated.

    So what would be the illogic of picking a fight with Iran?
    Iranian elite troops are fighting to eradicate ISIS terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Why would Trump want to interfere?

    As to the Trump tearing up the nuke agreement: makes no practical difference for Iran. EU will not go along, and without EU’s support, US will be all alone. Without EU, US has no effectual ways of pressuring Iran. Nothing will change, and US will look foolish and weak.

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    Hey Avery,

    I agree with your points (including Russia throwing her weight behind Iran). I also doubt there would be a full-scale collapse, however I can definitely see the central government losing control of certain borders and certain patches of territory (I don't know how that could be avoided in a place as large as Iran). That would mean a potential flow of men and military hardware across the territory I mentioned - again, not good for anybody in that region.

    Peace.
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  34. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey S2C,

    and still it endures and finds ways to build upon its heritage and adapt to challenges to its stability and existence
     
    Darn right - those people are serious survivors - inshaAllah they aren't going anywhere. A war with Iran would be a disaster for both Iran and the US - I don't think the big shots know what they are dealing with - it will be nothing like Iraq.

    One can hope that some of these cabinet guys are just signalling to mollify the Israeli-firsters and that nothing of substance will come out of their pronouncements - especially another war.

    An collapsed Iran could potentially create a swath of unstable territory from Pakistan's lawless provinces to the Mediterranean - how that is in anyone's interest is beyond me.

    Peace.

    Team Trump isn’t thinking of, or planning for, a hot war with Iran; seeking instead, that she doesn’t inexorably (a) move to nuclearise her arsenal (b) destabilise the market for crude (3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.

    On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours

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    {On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours}

    (a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.

    {(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}

    None of US's or anybody's else's business.
    Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
    So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?
    , @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    (A) is a concern, but that article you cited provided far less evidence for a non-compliant/belligerent Iran than it showed people like Sen. Cotton looking for any excuse to turn screws:
    "...reported on Wednesday that Iran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal again, exceeding a limit of 130 metric tons for heavy water...Iran reportedly told the agency it would begin preparations to ship 5 tons of the excess heavy water out of the country within the next few days."

    That is a violation of around 3.5% - that is a rounding error not a belligerent move - unless someone can prove that a world of difference is made in nuclear weapons development between 130 vs 135 metric tons...*

    "'It’s important to note that Iran made no effort to hide this, hide what it was doing from the IAEA'"

    Sounds more like they goofed and made immediate plans to make it right - maybe someone should get fired from his post for this, but certainly no reason for beating drums.

    (B) is a legitimate concern, but the Saudi's naughty antics are far more destabilizing. The Iranis would only make a move in the Persian Gulf (it is the Persian Gulf) if Saudis or others make a move on them. So basically we, or our allies are the ones that will be creating the problem that does not currently exist.

    (3 or C) is not our concern - it is an internal Irani affair. I say this as a Sunni Muslim who has his eye on what happens to the Sunni minorities in the Eastern (and sometimes Western provinces) like the Balochis, Tajiks and Kurds, etc. It could be better, but it is not that bad at all; they are safe and don't have much to worry about unless they agitate against the government or call for independence. Before concerning ourselves with Iran, it would be much better to put pressure on our own allies that have worse records regarding their citizens' cultural and economic aspirations.

    Peace.

    *Note: The actual Reuters article had this to say (so actually Iran is willing to face a penalty in the removal of 5 tons from its store):
    "It had 130.1 tonnes of the material on Tuesday, the watchdog said."
    "Iran also exceeded the heavy-water limit in February, with 130.9 tonnes."
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN1342T1

    , @tumi
    3000 propagandist inserted by USA in the local and foreign media have polluted your psychology beyond repair. Your psychology is immature, cocksure and gullible who desperately wants to believe the empire's lies hoping this time you would be vindicated . Iran is the country that was chosen before Iraq war for destruction. Emotionally stupefying "Axis of Evil" offered the mentally deficient an intellectual hatch escape to declare war on an poorly armed nonnuclear country peaceful but ossified nation but got delayed in the deserts post 2003.
    Iraq war has chastened most of those mentally deficient common folks but not those who sport US flag to hide their penchant for destruction-living and nonliving for the fun of watching an inferno.
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  35. Talha says:
    @Avery
    {An collapsed Iran}

    Iran is not going to collapse.

    People forget the Iraq-Iran war: Iranians doggedly fought for 8 years against the well equipped Iraqi military. Iran had only obsolescent equipment from Shah's days.
    Iraq was given massive support, including satellite intelligence, by US and other Western states.

    The whole Iranian nation stood up and fought for their country. For example, since Iran had no mineclearing equipment, Iranian teenagers voluntarily walked over minefields to save the valuable older troops for battle.
    Iranians will fight to the last man, if they have to.
    And Russia is not going to allow any direct attack by US or Israel on Iran.

    And as others have said, I don't see Trump's Iran rhetoric as serious.
    It is a complete disconnect: on the one hand he was very rational about Syria on the campaign trail. After his conversation with Putin, RuAF restarted the massive bombing campaign to eradicate the terrorists. So Trump must have told Putin he supports the eradication, as he had said during the debates. Aleppo is near-liberated.

    So what would be the illogic of picking a fight with Iran?
    Iranian elite troops are fighting to eradicate ISIS terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Why would Trump want to interfere?

    As to the Trump tearing up the nuke agreement: makes no practical difference for Iran. EU will not go along, and without EU's support, US will be all alone. Without EU, US has no effectual ways of pressuring Iran. Nothing will change, and US will look foolish and weak.

    Hey Avery,

    I agree with your points (including Russia throwing her weight behind Iran). I also doubt there would be a full-scale collapse, however I can definitely see the central government losing control of certain borders and certain patches of territory (I don’t know how that could be avoided in a place as large as Iran). That would mean a potential flow of men and military hardware across the territory I mentioned – again, not good for anybody in that region.

    Peace.

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  36. The three Trumpsmen are not stupid, far from it, but the problem appears to be that they cannot comfortably assess two or more conflicting concepts at the same time, which might be due to the linear thinking derived from their military backgrounds. The Middle East is awash with players, all of whom have separate agendas, few of which coincide with actual American interests.

    Nuanced thinking, as opposed to linear thinking, is what the whole country needs, left and right!

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  37. Che Guava says:

    As always, most of your analysis makes sense, Mr. Giraldi.

    Why aren’t you an advisor? Wish you were. The latest detailed reports from Syria horrify me, Kerry still desperately trying to protect the pet jihadis of Israel and its colonial posession, the USA, Erdogan ramping up the bullshit with a massive armoured colunn.

    Really, I wish the Russians would bang a few YPG and Syrian govt. heads together, get them to collaborate on a future state with autonomy for the Kurds, hand out as many anti-tank weapons as possible, and get the Turks out of there.

    That seems to be happening to an extent, without Russian help, also without the required weapons, but the YPG and elected Syrian govt. are natural allies in this situation.

    Straight out of the US playbook as the slave of Israel, NATO (US, Turkey, and the UK) made sure to cripple Syrian armour by handing out anti-armour weapons to their pet jihadis years ago now.

    After all, the Turks have no right to be there under international law. Neither do all of the Brit. and US mischief makers. Any casualties they take are richly deserved, although I would not wish it on any of the individuals. They should simply not be there!

    One small point for amusement, the imperial tail that wags the US and NATO dog from Israel seems to have been quiet as far as direct attacks on Syria for a while now.

    No doubt they are still patching up the odd injured Jihadi on their border, to send back to continue the mayhem, but I have not read of a direct attack by Israel lately.

    They are such macho jerks, just reading my words would propel them to do a new one.

    As for Trump’s appointments, you would know far better than I, but they seem really stupid.

    Excuse the tone and length, reports on the war and Trump’s apparent treachery to his electorate are really irritating.

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  38. Avery says:
    @Sam Shama
    Team Trump isn't thinking of, or planning for, a hot war with Iran; seeking instead, that she doesn't inexorably (a) move to nuclearise her arsenal (b) destabilise the market for crude (3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.

    On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours

    {On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours}

    (a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to – despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.

    {(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}

    None of US’s or anybody’s else’s business.
    Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
    So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually ‘imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry’ does not concern US, but Iran’s mythical ‘imposition’ does?

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    [Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad]
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

    {Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.}
    , @Marcus
    Yes, what benefit would having nuclear weapons give to Iran? They would never be able to match Israel in an arms race.
    , @Sam Shama
    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey's treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets: their position simply outlines a desire to maximise short-term revenues from crude sales. Watch for the Saudi oil minister's conference tomorrow.
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  39. Che Guava says:
    @Jason Liu
    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don't share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world.

    I liked your statement, but would rephrase that half as
    ‘the faux international globalist, victimology step-ladder left is a greater threat to the modern world.’

    Hope that does not exceed your intentions, thought your original statement was a bit careless, but much liked the heart in it.

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  40. Wally says:
    @Amasius
    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

    Let’s hope so.

    The ‘get Iran’ talk has always been Trump’s weakest point.
    While Obama’s Iran policy was his best work.

    We should be doing business with Iran not isolating them and allowing others to take their huge market. Same with Russia.
    We’re shooting ourselves in the foot by not doing so.

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  41. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Most American presidents have known little about foreign policy and have had to rely on staff advisors to tell them where on the map a particular country is located. This is glaringly true for at least the last three: Clinton-went from governor of a small state with a population less than that of some larger cities;Bush2-one can see the unending disasters this village idiot imposed upon us;Obama-a nothing weakling who couldn’t say no to his own Secretary of State Clinton who proceeded to spread disaster and ruination. If a person knows little about something then it’s hard for them to differentiate between those who are competent and those who are charlatans that sound good. There’s an idea that someone who is smart could be a quick study and master all that needs to be known through on the job training, hence the floating of the name of Romney for SoS, a tone-deaf Gordon Gekko businessman.
    Iran is a country of eighty million with a much higher level of human development than Afghanistan. Not only is it no pushover it has the capability to fight back in many ways. It’s a regional power and there’s no putting the genie back in the bottle. Hopefully much of what’s been said was just rhetoric to placate certain segments of the population. Otherwise, a disastrous thirty year conflict sucking away resources and money could be in our future.

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    It wouldn't take anywhere near thirty years to destroy Iran if we were really serious and brutal about it. But it would be disastrous for our economy, for world oil prices, and of course for the HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND of American soldiers who would be killed or seriously injured / maimed. Iran is no Iraq and it's no joke.
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  42. Avery says:
    @Avery
    {On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours}

    (a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.

    {(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}

    None of US's or anybody's else's business.
    Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
    So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?

    [Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad]

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

    {Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.}

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  43. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    Team Trump isn't thinking of, or planning for, a hot war with Iran; seeking instead, that she doesn't inexorably (a) move to nuclearise her arsenal (b) destabilise the market for crude (3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.

    On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours

    Hey Sam,

    (A) is a concern, but that article you cited provided far less evidence for a non-compliant/belligerent Iran than it showed people like Sen. Cotton looking for any excuse to turn screws:
    “…reported on Wednesday that Iran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal again, exceeding a limit of 130 metric tons for heavy water…Iran reportedly told the agency it would begin preparations to ship 5 tons of the excess heavy water out of the country within the next few days.”

    That is a violation of around 3.5% – that is a rounding error not a belligerent move – unless someone can prove that a world of difference is made in nuclear weapons development between 130 vs 135 metric tons…*

    “‘It’s important to note that Iran made no effort to hide this, hide what it was doing from the IAEA’”

    Sounds more like they goofed and made immediate plans to make it right – maybe someone should get fired from his post for this, but certainly no reason for beating drums.

    (B) is a legitimate concern, but the Saudi’s naughty antics are far more destabilizing. The Iranis would only make a move in the Persian Gulf (it is the Persian Gulf) if Saudis or others make a move on them. So basically we, or our allies are the ones that will be creating the problem that does not currently exist.

    (3 or C) is not our concern – it is an internal Irani affair. I say this as a Sunni Muslim who has his eye on what happens to the Sunni minorities in the Eastern (and sometimes Western provinces) like the Balochis, Tajiks and Kurds, etc. It could be better, but it is not that bad at all; they are safe and don’t have much to worry about unless they agitate against the government or call for independence. Before concerning ourselves with Iran, it would be much better to put pressure on our own allies that have worse records regarding their citizens’ cultural and economic aspirations.

    Peace.

    *Note: The actual Reuters article had this to say (so actually Iran is willing to face a penalty in the removal of 5 tons from its store):
    “It had 130.1 tonnes of the material on Tuesday, the watchdog said.”
    “Iran also exceeded the heavy-water limit in February, with 130.9 tonnes.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN1342T1

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    Hey Talha,
    Yes as I mentioned, these were "soft limit" violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.

    The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran's motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC's guidelines.

    On (c) I'd say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.

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  44. Will Iran be the target of the Trump regime?

    Of course. Trump is heavily Israel-sympathetic. Remember, Trump has centered his very existence to date on the acquisition of material assets. Israel promises him, through his cronies and family, enormous additions to that pile of material assets. He’s like the proverbial kid in a candy store.

    The suppression/destruction (partition) of Iran allows Israel to expand its empire eastward, skirting (for now) its Saudi allies. Russia will insist solely upon retention of its Mediterranean ports on the Syrian coast, and will permit the abolition of Syria as a nation, or the partitioning of Syria into a Russian-controlled section and the “New Israel” section. With Turkey being dissed by the EU, I would guess that an all-overland Russian corridor through Syria, Turkey and Georgia might be in the offing.

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  45. Art says:
    @jacques sheete

    imo it would be a tragedy for Iran to “change” to “Western ideas and lifestyle.”

     

    Imo as well.

    For instance, it's truly sad to see how the people of the Philippines, which is immensely rich in cultural heritage, try so hard to emulate things Western. It's often a truly degrading and depressing spectacle.

    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.

    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.

    True story – but we killed a million of them anyway.

    What is wrong with us?

    Judaism’s Zionist Zombies wanted us to take out Saddam and Iraq – another million people destroyed.

    Now the Zionist Zombies what us to take down Iran – same false claims – WMD nukes.

    Trump gave off the impression that he was not interested in more war. God help us if Trump caves to Judaism.

    Peace — Art

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    I don't know what's wrong with us, but it sure appears that Humpty Trump will be no better than the Happy War Sow, aka the Charnel House Madam, would have been.

    Whatever's wrong with us is apparently incurable.
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  46. Che Guava says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    ... radical Marxist group Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), which is now being seen favorably by several Trump advisors even though the group is Marxist, cult-like and has killed Americans.
     
    A minor point: what's with smearing political organizations as 'cult-like'? Do not US political parties (especially the Democrats, these days) behave like cults? Are not PNAC-neocons in the US a cult-like group? I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing 'cult-like' whatsoever.

    I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

    I saw an Aum Shinrikyo performance in central Tokyo once, after the subway gas attacks and just before they were made to change their name. They looked like a normal bunch of hippies doing interpretative dance, playing ambient music on a boombox. Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

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  47. Marcus says:
    @Avery
    {On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours}

    (a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.

    {(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}

    None of US's or anybody's else's business.
    Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
    So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?

    Yes, what benefit would having nuclear weapons give to Iran? They would never be able to match Israel in an arms race.

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  48. Sam Shama says:
    @Avery
    {On these issues, particularly (b) Russian interests are aligned with ours}

    (a): Russia too will prevent Iran from developing nuke weapons, not that Iran has ever sought to - despite Neocon or Israeli propaganda and dissemination of disinformation.

    {(3) impose a heavy hand on the cultural and economic aspirations of her citizenry.}

    None of US's or anybody's else's business.
    Those are code words for illegal Neocon interference.
    So how is that NATO-member Turkey actually 'imposing a very heavy hand on her ethnic Kurd citizenry' does not concern US, but Iran's mythical 'imposition' does?

    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey’s treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets: their position simply outlines a desire to maximise short-term revenues from crude sales. Watch for the Saudi oil minister’s conference tomorrow.

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    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey’s treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.
     
    Oh my - same-o same-o - the Jew divide and conquer agenda - Judaism is working to divide the Muslim ME into little defenseless enclaves. Pit the Kurds against all those countries - rip them all apart.

    Will the Little Jew say that - NEVER. The little Zionist Zombie does as his Big Jews say. (After a childhood of fear and hate induced by his family and culture - what can we expect but brainstem responses to all things political.)

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets
     
    Again - same-o same-o - This is the same argument made by the ZZ’ers about Iraq. The Iraq war was never about the Zionist Jew or Israeli agenda - Iraq was about those greedy oil men. It is lie after lie after lie with Judaism.

    Peace --- Art
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  49. Exudd1 says:
    @jacques sheete

    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don’t share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world.
     
    The false left wing vs right wing dichotomy is about as useful and obsolete as the sappy Republican vs Democrat one.

    One of the few politically sensible dichotomies is the "elite" vs the "deplorables."

    Exactly! Excellent comment! Thanks.

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  50. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    (A) is a concern, but that article you cited provided far less evidence for a non-compliant/belligerent Iran than it showed people like Sen. Cotton looking for any excuse to turn screws:
    "...reported on Wednesday that Iran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal again, exceeding a limit of 130 metric tons for heavy water...Iran reportedly told the agency it would begin preparations to ship 5 tons of the excess heavy water out of the country within the next few days."

    That is a violation of around 3.5% - that is a rounding error not a belligerent move - unless someone can prove that a world of difference is made in nuclear weapons development between 130 vs 135 metric tons...*

    "'It’s important to note that Iran made no effort to hide this, hide what it was doing from the IAEA'"

    Sounds more like they goofed and made immediate plans to make it right - maybe someone should get fired from his post for this, but certainly no reason for beating drums.

    (B) is a legitimate concern, but the Saudi's naughty antics are far more destabilizing. The Iranis would only make a move in the Persian Gulf (it is the Persian Gulf) if Saudis or others make a move on them. So basically we, or our allies are the ones that will be creating the problem that does not currently exist.

    (3 or C) is not our concern - it is an internal Irani affair. I say this as a Sunni Muslim who has his eye on what happens to the Sunni minorities in the Eastern (and sometimes Western provinces) like the Balochis, Tajiks and Kurds, etc. It could be better, but it is not that bad at all; they are safe and don't have much to worry about unless they agitate against the government or call for independence. Before concerning ourselves with Iran, it would be much better to put pressure on our own allies that have worse records regarding their citizens' cultural and economic aspirations.

    Peace.

    *Note: The actual Reuters article had this to say (so actually Iran is willing to face a penalty in the removal of 5 tons from its store):
    "It had 130.1 tonnes of the material on Tuesday, the watchdog said."
    "Iran also exceeded the heavy-water limit in February, with 130.9 tonnes."
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN1342T1

    Hey Talha,
    Yes as I mentioned, these were “soft limit” violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.

    The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran’s motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC’s guidelines.

    On (c) I’d say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.

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    I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.
     
    It isn't even that, it's that Iran doesn't even want nuclear weapons. It would create more problems for them then it would solve. Pakistan only went ahead with getting nukes because India had them by the balls. Iran's situation is totally different.
    , @L.K
    Whenever I hear a zionist scumbag, such as this liar Shama, talk about 'human rights' and then obviously refer to Israel's target countries, or any countries at all, it makes me nauseated.
    As if zionists care about human rights;

    No mention made of the illegal Zionist Ghetto State's long string of well documented human rights violations, of course not.

    For example, here is Shames moral army in action;
    Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
    Here is a photo of the girl murdered by the israeli coward:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams

    When facing people who fight back though, it ends up like this;
    https://justpaste.it/1113u
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  51. turtle says:

    1. Hezbollah keeps Israeli army out of south Lebanon.
    2. Iran resupplies Hezbollah, probably through Syria.
    3. To defeat Hezbollah, interdict their supply lines.
    4. Once Syria has been destroyed, invent a pretext to attack Hezbollah, knowing they cannot be resupplied.
    5. Absent Hezbollah, Israeli army overruns whatever part of Lebanon they wish, thus pushing their northern border at least as far as the Litani, possibly further.
    6. Oil in the Golan Heights is icing on the cake.
    7. In a desert, it is all about the water.

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  52. Thirdeye says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Miro


    Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien...I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!

    WTC 7 shows just how stupid and undisciplined the 9/11 conspirators were. They had more demo charges than they needed for 1 and 2, so they brought down 7 just for jollies even though it blew the cover story that 1 and 2 were brought down by the jet fuel fires. Somebody needed to get fired for that one.

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    I believe WTC7 was the actual control centre for the 9/11 demolition charges and also where the evidence concerning billions of dollars in fraud was stored by the SEC, it was very conveniently destroyed.
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  53. “God help us if Trump caves into Judaism.”

    Art,

    As you are aware, Donald Trump’s past success is the result of his association with wealthy and powerful Zionists who facilitated his rise to business and political power. A prerequisite for all U.S. presidents, he has already “caved” to Judaism.

    As you know, the official demonizing of Iran intensified upon W. Bush’s naming Iran as part of the “Axis of Evil.” Shortly thereafter the CIA became very active in Iran and took the pulse of the nation. Hopes for a Teheran Spring and a new Shah installation apparently could not materialize. Thus it’s time to move to Plan B… Bibi.

    It appears all that’s needed to dethrone the Ayatollahs during the coming Trump administration, is either a tried and tested U.S. provocation in “our” Persian Gulf or a False Flag attack which is blamed on Iran. P. Giraldi writes for antiwar.co, and please look at the article below? (Personally, I believe Iran will just get nationwide Shock & Awe treatment so that messy U.S. occupations, like Iraq 2003-present, can be avoided)

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/11/28/iranian-boat-aimed-at-us-helicopter-but-didnt-shoot/

    As certified “Iranophobes” are on parade into Trump Tower, “interviewing” for key cabinet positions and Zionist tycoons are itching to establish Superpower enforced Greater Israel borders and “shoot the pop gun” for starting the Far East Pivot Parade, I fear that the best the Islamic Republic of Iran’s government can get is “an offer they can not refuse” from the underground Axis of Goodness, TrumPutiNyahu. The T.P.N. !

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    Iran war?

    Who is in charge - Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?

    Hmm - does he want a second term?

    If he makes Romney Secretary of State - he is going to crap on his voters.

    Peace --- Art
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  54. turtle says:

    >brought down 7 just for jollies

    Unless the command post for the tower demolitions was in bldg. 7.
    Precise sequencing of many (how many?) radio controlled charges probably required sophisticated timing circuits not likely to be concealable in, let’s say, an automobile.

    Blow up the towers, then destroy the command post.
    Bldg 7 was smaller, probably not as complex an operation.

    Leaving a row of columns which were all diagonally cut at approximately 42″ above the ground, complete with cutting charge slag, was rather sloppy, though.

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  55. @Mark Green
    Why is Washington (and the Deep State) obsessed with Iran? After all, Iran poses no conceivable threat to the US. The never-ending 'crisis' between Tehran and Washington is primarily about Israel. 'America First' will just have to wait.

    Just as the US destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were crypto-Israeli hits, Iran is now at the very top of Israel's 'Injure and Weaken' list.

    And since US military and political power is very much in the hands of high-powered Zionist operatives, Iran must be softened up until the time is right for either a Syria-style destabilization campaign, or an Iraq-style annihilation. The Zionist-friendly, re-making of the Middle East is still underway. It's a Deep State affair that's been unofficial policy since the PNAC papers.

    Like all modern US presidents, Trump has no intention of starting his presidency in a struggle with the ubiquitous Israel lobby. Let's get real. Thus, heightened political and economic pressure on Iran is inevitable. Zionists demand it.

    1. We don’t need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves

    2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN! I know you really want a US attack on Iran because it will give you more material to complain about but it will never come to pass.

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    1. We don’t need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves.
     

    The Israeli Air Force does not have the capability to destroy all of Iran's nuclear facilities. Military officials and defence analysts have shown us that time and time again. Not even Israel's generals think it could be done...

    Israel would need to use GBU-28 bunker-busting bombs to destroy Iran’s hardened nuclear facilities. It has these weapons but they are, by their very nature, huge. Israel has only one aircraft system, the F15i, which can carry a bunker buster, and only one at a time.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/middleeast/2013/11/97891.html

     


    2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!
     

    George Bush ordered the Pentagon to plan an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and considered a covert attack on Syria, the former president reveals in his memoirs.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/08/george-bush-memoir-decision-points?0p19G=c
     
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  56. @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    Yes as I mentioned, these were "soft limit" violations. I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.

    The crude oil issue is, of course, something which needs careful attention, given the shaky nature of the global economic recovery, currently underway. While Iran's motivation to sell at max capacity is understandable [her full deposits being something like 120 years' worth at capacity], nevertheless demands far greater adherence on their part to OPEC's guidelines.

    On (c) I'd say that Iran has a long way to go prior to making the claim they always do, of a spotless human rights record. Which is not to let Saudi or anyone else off the hook at all.

    I agree that Russia has little interest in facilitating a nuclear-armed Iran any more than the USA [Avery's point], and will prevent this possibility.

    It isn’t even that, it’s that Iran doesn’t even want nuclear weapons. It would create more problems for them then it would solve. Pakistan only went ahead with getting nukes because India had them by the balls. Iran’s situation is totally different.

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  57. The Eastern powers have drawn a line in Syria from where they will not back up.
    Iran is allied to Russia and China; they will not allow the US to defeat Iran.
    This will be decided in Syria where the West is suffering a humiliating defeat.
    The West will break on the East.

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  58. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey's treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets: their position simply outlines a desire to maximise short-term revenues from crude sales. Watch for the Saudi oil minister's conference tomorrow.

    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey’s treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.

    Oh my – same-o same-o – the Jew divide and conquer agenda – Judaism is working to divide the Muslim ME into little defenseless enclaves. Pit the Kurds against all those countries – rip them all apart.

    Will the Little Jew say that – NEVER. The little Zionist Zombie does as his Big Jews say. (After a childhood of fear and hate induced by his family and culture – what can we expect but brainstem responses to all things political.)

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets

    Again – same-o same-o – This is the same argument made by the ZZ’ers about Iraq. The Iraq war was never about the Zionist Jew or Israeli agenda – Iraq was about those greedy oil men. It is lie after lie after lie with Judaism.

    Peace — Art

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    Fuck off you stupid nitwit.

    Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you'd finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!
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  59. Art says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "God help us if Trump caves into Judaism."

    Art,

    As you are aware, Donald Trump's past success is the result of his association with wealthy and powerful Zionists who facilitated his rise to business and political power. A prerequisite for all U.S. presidents, he has already "caved" to Judaism.

    As you know, the official demonizing of Iran intensified upon W. Bush's naming Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil." Shortly thereafter the CIA became very active in Iran and took the pulse of the nation. Hopes for a Teheran Spring and a new Shah installation apparently could not materialize. Thus it's time to move to Plan B... Bibi.

    It appears all that's needed to dethrone the Ayatollahs during the coming Trump administration, is either a tried and tested U.S. provocation in "our" Persian Gulf or a False Flag attack which is blamed on Iran. P. Giraldi writes for antiwar.co, and please look at the article below? (Personally, I believe Iran will just get nationwide Shock & Awe treatment so that messy U.S. occupations, like Iraq 2003-present, can be avoided)

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/11/28/iranian-boat-aimed-at-us-helicopter-but-didnt-shoot/

    As certified "Iranophobes" are on parade into Trump Tower, "interviewing" for key cabinet positions and Zionist tycoons are itching to establish Superpower enforced Greater Israel borders and "shoot the pop gun" for starting the Far East Pivot Parade, I fear that the best the Islamic Republic of Iran's government can get is "an offer they can not refuse" from the underground Axis of Goodness, TrumPutiNyahu. The T.P.N. !

    Iran war?

    Who is in charge – Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?

    Hmm – does he want a second term?

    If he makes Romney Secretary of State – he is going to crap on his voters.

    Peace — Art

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    Unfortunately a lot of the rank and file Republican voters are still strongly jingoistic, not just in the Mideast, but also the Russian "threat" in E Europe.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "Who's in charge -- Trump's Jews or his voters?"

    Art,

    I don't want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the "hands-off" realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.

    To a degree, I disagree with you that "his voters do not want an Iran." Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin' Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, "we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!"

    Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one's going to "Make America Great Again" without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo."

    Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney's political life, he read Paul Kennedy's book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a "crap"?

    Regarding your question , "does he (Trump) want a second term?" Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over "rogue nations" gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off "The Apprentice."

    Also,you discussed Trump's potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will "crap" upon his voters. As in all things, Art, "everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump's supporter's shall get "crapped" upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney's ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole's attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.

    Finally, today's Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, "(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts." Oh shit, Art, -- how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business "conflicts of interest"???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump's Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!

    Please read Peter Grant's W.S.J. article below... at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, "a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University." Professor Clark opined, "(I) don't think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war."

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387

    One must accept Jared Kushner's Zionism will have zero effect on who's side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art... I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, "the shit has hit the 1984 fan!"
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  60. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    That we continue to turn a blind eye to Turkey’s treatment of Kurds has been a source of embarrassment which needs addressing and Trump has spoken words to that effect even as he signalled friendly relations with Turkey.
     
    Oh my - same-o same-o - the Jew divide and conquer agenda - Judaism is working to divide the Muslim ME into little defenseless enclaves. Pit the Kurds against all those countries - rip them all apart.

    Will the Little Jew say that - NEVER. The little Zionist Zombie does as his Big Jews say. (After a childhood of fear and hate induced by his family and culture - what can we expect but brainstem responses to all things political.)

    Russian interests, as they align with our own, has primarily to do with maintaining crude in the $40-$55 range, something which Iran seems to ignore by threatening a deluge in the oil markets
     
    Again - same-o same-o - This is the same argument made by the ZZ’ers about Iraq. The Iraq war was never about the Zionist Jew or Israeli agenda - Iraq was about those greedy oil men. It is lie after lie after lie with Judaism.

    Peace --- Art

    Fuck off you stupid nitwit.

    Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you’d finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!

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    Really, you morons sound as if you’d finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!
     
    Oh' how very Jewish - I write "Peace" an every comment - but really want war.

    Hmm - there must always be an attacking twist on reality - because the reality of Judaism is so dark. How sad. Judaism thrives on lies.

    Peace --- Art
    , @geokat62

    ... you morons...
     
    Getting closer.
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  61. Marcus says:
    @Art
    Iran war?

    Who is in charge - Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?

    Hmm - does he want a second term?

    If he makes Romney Secretary of State - he is going to crap on his voters.

    Peace --- Art

    Unfortunately a lot of the rank and file Republican voters are still strongly jingoistic, not just in the Mideast, but also the Russian “threat” in E Europe.

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  62. Sean says:

    Trump will destroy Iran, and Israel will be freed to do what it should have done in 1967.

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    Not likely. Russia will exterminate Israel if Trump attacks Iran.
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  63. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Fuck off you stupid nitwit.

    Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you'd finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!

    Really, you morons sound as if you’d finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!

    Oh’ how very Jewish – I write “Peace” an every comment – but really want war.

    Hmm – there must always be an attacking twist on reality – because the reality of Judaism is so dark. How sad. Judaism thrives on lies.

    Peace — Art

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    Oh’ how very Jewish – I write “Peace” an every comment – but really want war.
     
    If you want peace than you should be happy that there is zero chance of the US launching an attack on Iran. But you don't seem happy, you seem frustrated that it hasn't happened yet despite you promising it for nearly 15 years now.
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  64. alexander says:

    Dear Mr. Giraldi,

    The President-elect was the ONLY candidate for office, of either party, (including Bernie)
    who actually pointed out the humongous assault on our nations balance sheet that our policies of belligerent war making in the middle east, have unleashed.

    He was the ONLY one.

    Is there any upside to the American people to launch another Iraq fiasco, this time in Iran ,that might cost us TEN trillion (not six)…QUINTUPLE (not just quadruple) our cost of heating fuel and gasoline… and last another decade, if not longer ?

    I don’t think so.

    Unless Iran launches a full on assault on our shores, or that of our allies, I doubt there is any mandate at all , from ANY American citizen , to engage in another multi TRILLION dollar ….catastrophic war “debacle”.

    I just don’t see it.

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  65. @Art

    Really, you morons sound as if you’d finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!
     
    Oh' how very Jewish - I write "Peace" an every comment - but really want war.

    Hmm - there must always be an attacking twist on reality - because the reality of Judaism is so dark. How sad. Judaism thrives on lies.

    Peace --- Art

    Oh’ how very Jewish – I write “Peace” an every comment – but really want war.

    If you want peace than you should be happy that there is zero chance of the US launching an attack on Iran. But you don’t seem happy, you seem frustrated that it hasn’t happened yet despite you promising it for nearly 15 years now.

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  66. @Chet Roman
    I don’t for a minute believe that Pompeo, Flynn and Mattis actually believe that Iran is the “world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism”. They would have to be morons to actually believe that blatant lie. The uninformed public and Trump may fall for the Zionist propaganda about Iran but these three are well informed and know the truth. Flynn even publicly stated that the rise of ISIS was “a willful Washington decision”. All three know that the Saudis are the single largest promoter of Wahhabi terrorism with U.S., Turkish and Israeli support.

    Like the politicians in Congress, these ambitious men know what policies will get them promoted (or campaign funding) and what views will end their careers. As others have mentioned, if you support Israeli centric policies, especially those relating to Iran, your promotion is assured regardless of which party you belong to.

    “The Occupation Of The American Mind: Israel’s Public Relations War In The United States”
    A film which has won high praise among all who are critical of Israel’s extraordinary domination of American political scene.

    http://mediaed.org/occupationmovie/praise.html

    This documentary film, which has been shown on the Swedish Educational TV, has irritated Israelis so much that the Israeli envoy in Sweden urges the Swedes to “protest screening of anti-Israel film by state TV”.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-envoy-urges-swedes-to-protest-state-funded-screening-of-anti-israel-film/

    One can only hope this documentary gets widespread screening; also in the US.

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  67. @Art
    Iran war?

    Who is in charge - Trump’s Jews or his voters? His voters do not want an Iran war. Will he crap on them and make war?

    Hmm - does he want a second term?

    If he makes Romney Secretary of State - he is going to crap on his voters.

    Peace --- Art

    “Who’s in charge — Trump’s Jews or his voters?”

    Art,

    I don’t want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the “hands-off” realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.

    To a degree, I disagree with you that “his voters do not want an Iran.” Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin’ Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, “we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!”

    Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one’s going to “Make America Great Again” without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo.”

    Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney’s political life, he read Paul Kennedy’s book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a “crap”?

    Regarding your question , “does he (Trump) want a second term?” Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over “rogue nations” gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off “The Apprentice.”

    Also,you discussed Trump’s potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will “crap” upon his voters. As in all things, Art, “everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump’s supporter’s shall get “crapped” upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney’s ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole’s attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.

    Finally, today’s Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, “(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts.” Oh shit, Art, — how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business “conflicts of interest”???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump’s Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!

    Please read Peter Grant’s W.S.J. article below… at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, “a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University.” Professor Clark opined, “(I) don’t think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war.”

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387

    One must accept Jared Kushner’s Zionism will have zero effect on who’s side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art… I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, “the shit has hit the 1984 fan!”

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    Dear Mr Orloski,

    Are you a fraud ?

    I only ask because your contrived encounter in the Dunkin' Donuts sounds like bullsh#t...


    It might not be....but why does some young person in a doughnut shop in Scranton want to "nuke Iran and turn the desert to glass" ?

    Why does he even give a sh#t about Iran ?

    And your answer is ?

    ( please.....no bullsh#t)

    Thank you
    , @Art

    To a degree, I disagree with you that “his voters do not want an Iran.” Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin’ Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, “we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!”
     
    Chuck Orloski,

    For sure that element is in every Republican vote - the people who switched to Trump are most likely NOT those hard asses. If Trump wants to get reelected he needs to appeal to those average middle class people who are part of the no-war voters.

    I for one feel that Mitt Romney’s ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole’s attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.
     
    I think you are right. Four years is an epic in our times. Thanks for the thorough reply.

    Peace --- Art
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  68. I do not know how much the U.S. Executive Branch comedy can go on before the Zionist lowerarchy must do what the collapsing Roman Empire (under Constantine) did and moved east to Byzantium for continuation. ha-ha. Refer to announcement, below?

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steven-mnuchin-be-named-treasury-secretary-report-951207

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  69. geokat62 says:
    @Greasy William
    1. We don't need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves

    2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! I know you really want a US attack on Iran because it will give you more material to complain about but it will never come to pass.

    1. We don’t need the US to destroy Iran for us, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves.

    The Israeli Air Force does not have the capability to destroy all of Iran’s nuclear facilities. Military officials and defence analysts have shown us that time and time again. Not even Israel’s generals think it could be done…

    Israel would need to use GBU-28 bunker-busting bombs to destroy Iran’s hardened nuclear facilities. It has these weapons but they are, by their very nature, huge. Israel has only one aircraft system, the F15i, which can carry a bunker buster, and only one at a time.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/middleeast/2013/11/97891.html

    2. You morons have been crying wolf about a US attack on Iran for over 10 years now. Get this through your thick skulls: IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!

    George Bush ordered the Pentagon to plan an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and considered a covert attack on Syria, the former president reveals in his memoirs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/08/george-bush-memoir-decision-points?0p19G=c

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  70. The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term “Islamophobe”, but of course he’s right that we shouldn’t be looking for a war against Iran as the US gov seems to be doing.

    I wouldn’t want anyone in the fed gov who doesn’t fear Muslims and consider them a grave threat to our security, freedom, and way of life. I just want the gov to focus on deporting muslims from our countries and refusing them the right to settle here. I don’t want us going abroad to kill or terrorize or sanction them in their countries.

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    The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term “Islamophobe”
     
    The war against Islamophobia is one of the few things the Left gets right. That and animal rights. I'm at a bit of a loss to think of anything else they are right about, however.

    There is no place for anti Islamic bullshit in civilized discourse.
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  71. @Miro23

    Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war.
     
    This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian "regime change".

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu's efforts for years, with Israel needing it's US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli "preventive" strike.

    The interesting part, is that, from the "America First" viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.

    Trump was elected on "America First", promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.

    A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there's no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.

    Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn't fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he's operating in "morality free territory", rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.

    Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It's difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.

    War against Iran would mean many body bags on TV and sky-high gas prices for a sustained period. In addition to harming American soldiers and families, that would doom Trump’s re-election campaign, most likely.

    Praying that Trump has the sense and decency not to let these warmongering pricks Flynn and Pompeo egg him into a needless, non-defensive slaughter.

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  72. […] years. It is still strong. The latest evidence of this is that Trump has surrounded himself with several rabid anti-Iranites. Hostility, prejudice and discrimination against Iran has marked U.S. foreign policy. Congress […]

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  73. @anonymous
    Most American presidents have known little about foreign policy and have had to rely on staff advisors to tell them where on the map a particular country is located. This is glaringly true for at least the last three: Clinton-went from governor of a small state with a population less than that of some larger cities;Bush2-one can see the unending disasters this village idiot imposed upon us;Obama-a nothing weakling who couldn't say no to his own Secretary of State Clinton who proceeded to spread disaster and ruination. If a person knows little about something then it's hard for them to differentiate between those who are competent and those who are charlatans that sound good. There's an idea that someone who is smart could be a quick study and master all that needs to be known through on the job training, hence the floating of the name of Romney for SoS, a tone-deaf Gordon Gekko businessman.
    Iran is a country of eighty million with a much higher level of human development than Afghanistan. Not only is it no pushover it has the capability to fight back in many ways. It's a regional power and there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Hopefully much of what's been said was just rhetoric to placate certain segments of the population. Otherwise, a disastrous thirty year conflict sucking away resources and money could be in our future.

    It wouldn’t take anywhere near thirty years to destroy Iran if we were really serious and brutal about it. But it would be disastrous for our economy, for world oil prices, and of course for the HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND of American soldiers who would be killed or seriously injured / maimed. Iran is no Iraq and it’s no joke.

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  74. @Montefrío
    Iran exercises national monetary sovereignty and makes a go of it: can't have that as an example!

    If even just Russia and Iran were to start conducting fossil-fuel and other business all in the Chinese yuan, the US dollar could take a hit from which it might not fully recover.

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  75. KenH says:

    The U.S. National Intelligence Estimates (NIE) has consistently stated that Iran is not seeking to build a nuclear weapons program. When do hard facts finally win against pro-Israel/anti-Iran ideology, propaganda and Israeli meddling in U.S foreign policy via their too numerous to count agents throughout the establishment? Throw in some prominent, end times Christian fanatics who dutifully support anything Israel so desires.

    It’s time we get out of the Middle East and adopt a policy of strict neutrality with all nations, especially Iran, although we should assist Syria and Russia in their endeavor to destroy ISIS. If Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel don’t like that then too bad.

    I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.

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    "I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters."

    So would I, sir, so would I!

    As one who voted for Trump, I'll admit to being underwhelmed by his choice of Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor. And those cretins Romney and Guiliani are being considered for Secretary of State! . . .
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  76. alexander says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "Who's in charge -- Trump's Jews or his voters?"

    Art,

    I don't want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the "hands-off" realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.

    To a degree, I disagree with you that "his voters do not want an Iran." Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin' Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, "we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!"

    Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one's going to "Make America Great Again" without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo."

    Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney's political life, he read Paul Kennedy's book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a "crap"?

    Regarding your question , "does he (Trump) want a second term?" Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over "rogue nations" gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off "The Apprentice."

    Also,you discussed Trump's potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will "crap" upon his voters. As in all things, Art, "everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump's supporter's shall get "crapped" upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney's ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole's attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.

    Finally, today's Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, "(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts." Oh shit, Art, -- how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business "conflicts of interest"???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump's Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!

    Please read Peter Grant's W.S.J. article below... at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, "a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University." Professor Clark opined, "(I) don't think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war."

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387

    One must accept Jared Kushner's Zionism will have zero effect on who's side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art... I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, "the shit has hit the 1984 fan!"

    Dear Mr Orloski,

    Are you a fraud ?

    I only ask because your contrived encounter in the Dunkin’ Donuts sounds like bullsh#t…

    It might not be….but why does some young person in a doughnut shop in Scranton want to “nuke Iran and turn the desert to glass” ?

    Why does he even give a sh#t about Iran ?

    And your answer is ?

    ( please…..no bullsh#t)

    Thank you

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    Alexander, are you a fraud?

    You don't have to go as far as Scranton to hear 'Merkins spewing this crap.
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  77. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Fuck off you stupid nitwit.

    Greasy is right on this one; there is not to be any war with Iran. Really, you morons sound as if you'd finally get reduced to exhorting for war against Iran, just so your stupid predictions on the internet are vindicated!

    … you morons…

    Getting closer.

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    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker 'Art'. After all, I've never spotted you chafing about "Big Jews, little jews "...etc
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  78. @RadicalCenter
    The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term "Islamophobe", but of course he's right that we shouldn't be looking for a war against Iran as the US gov seems to be doing.

    I wouldn't want anyone in the fed gov who doesn't fear Muslims and consider them a grave threat to our security, freedom, and way of life. I just want the gov to focus on deporting muslims from our countries and refusing them the right to settle here. I don't want us going abroad to kill or terrorize or sanction them in their countries.

    The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term “Islamophobe”

    The war against Islamophobia is one of the few things the Left gets right. That and animal rights. I’m at a bit of a loss to think of anything else they are right about, however.

    There is no place for anti Islamic bullshit in civilized discourse.

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    Hey Greasy!

    Where you been man? You definitely have the ability to surprise. I think the term 'Islamophobia' is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn't hold water.

    Even as a Muslim, if I try to wear another person's shoes, I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine - especially in this day and age when most religion is either in retreat, lost confidence in its normative narrative, or considered a hobby, or worse - irrelevant.

    There are also plenty of irrational reasons to have issues with Islamic doctrine - most of which is a result of building up a false straw man and complaining and whining about it. In this I would agree that "anti Islamic bullshit" should be filtered out so that everyone can clear the air about what are serious and rational concerns. Shutting down public discourse on the subject like the Left tries to do is counter-productive to the discussion.

    And I certainly hope and pray you are right about no US attack on Iran ever happening.

    Peace.
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  79. @Mark Green
    Why is Washington (and the Deep State) obsessed with Iran? After all, Iran poses no conceivable threat to the US. The never-ending 'crisis' between Tehran and Washington is primarily about Israel. 'America First' will just have to wait.

    Just as the US destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were crypto-Israeli hits, Iran is now at the very top of Israel's 'Injure and Weaken' list.

    And since US military and political power is very much in the hands of high-powered Zionist operatives, Iran must be softened up until the time is right for either a Syria-style destabilization campaign, or an Iraq-style annihilation. The Zionist-friendly, re-making of the Middle East is still underway. It's a Deep State affair that's been unofficial policy since the PNAC papers.

    Like all modern US presidents, Trump has no intention of starting his presidency in a struggle with the ubiquitous Israel lobby. Let's get real. Thus, heightened political and economic pressure on Iran is inevitable. Zionists demand it.

    “Iran is now at the very top of Israel’s ‘Injure and Weaken list.”

    Yes, Mr. Green, you are right. Zionists are aching to settle matters in “Greater Israel” territorial favor so that they can concentrate efforts & “pivot” eastward where the big consumer market is. No doubt, President Donald Trump will go in such direction.

    Have you read the Wall Street Journal article a couple weeks ago, which focused upon huge global investment plans in China ? The Goldman Sachs Group was reported to be involved in high level negotiations with the P.R.C. government. Goldman Sachs wants to engage investment opportunities minus the state regulatory need for having to team with Chinese firms.

    Get this? In today’s Wall Street Journal, and as notorious global wheeler & dealer Goldman Sachs wants free reign to operate in China, there’s an article detailing how Beijing wants to rate citizen/consumers on their daily behavior and to correspondingly “reward or punish” people. Refer to article below?

    https://lbfromlv.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/chinas-new-tool-for-social-control-a-credit-rating-for-everything-by-josh-chin-and-gillian-wong-nov-28-2016-1146-a-m-et/

    Incredible how clever are Vampire Squid business planners and population pre-conditioners! They want to dictate morality (& accountability) to China’s 1.4 billion “market,” and simultaneously, the Goldman Sachs Group can make people eat McDonalds scraps fallen off from the Rich Man’s annual P&L banquet table.

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  80. RobinG says:
    @alexander
    Dear Mr Orloski,

    Are you a fraud ?

    I only ask because your contrived encounter in the Dunkin' Donuts sounds like bullsh#t...


    It might not be....but why does some young person in a doughnut shop in Scranton want to "nuke Iran and turn the desert to glass" ?

    Why does he even give a sh#t about Iran ?

    And your answer is ?

    ( please.....no bullsh#t)

    Thank you

    Alexander, are you a fraud?

    You don’t have to go as far as Scranton to hear ‘Merkins spewing this crap.

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    Robin, I think alexander got it right. Of course, none can be sure, but that encounter "in the Dunkin Donuts!" thrown in for that authentic flavour, yet achieving only good comedic release, ["oh boy!"] sounds like utter BS.
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  81. @Art
    Iran is no more of a threat to either Israel or the US than Vietnam was.

    True story - but we killed a million of them anyway.

    What is wrong with us?

    Judaism's Zionist Zombies wanted us to take out Saddam and Iraq - another million people destroyed.

    Now the Zionist Zombies what us to take down Iran - same false claims - WMD nukes.

    Trump gave off the impression that he was not interested in more war. God help us if Trump caves to Judaism.

    Peace --- Art

    I don’t know what’s wrong with us, but it sure appears that Humpty Trump will be no better than the Happy War Sow, aka the Charnel House Madam, would have been.

    Whatever’s wrong with us is apparently incurable.

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  82. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    The author undermines his credibility by using the lefty PC term “Islamophobe”
     
    The war against Islamophobia is one of the few things the Left gets right. That and animal rights. I'm at a bit of a loss to think of anything else they are right about, however.

    There is no place for anti Islamic bullshit in civilized discourse.

    Hey Greasy!

    Where you been man? You definitely have the ability to surprise. I think the term ‘Islamophobia’ is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn’t hold water.

    Even as a Muslim, if I try to wear another person’s shoes, I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine – especially in this day and age when most religion is either in retreat, lost confidence in its normative narrative, or considered a hobby, or worse – irrelevant.

    There are also plenty of irrational reasons to have issues with Islamic doctrine – most of which is a result of building up a false straw man and complaining and whining about it. In this I would agree that “anti Islamic bullshit” should be filtered out so that everyone can clear the air about what are serious and rational concerns. Shutting down public discourse on the subject like the Left tries to do is counter-productive to the discussion.

    And I certainly hope and pray you are right about no US attack on Iran ever happening.

    Peace.

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  83. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Iran has since that time been in compliance with the agreement, possible nuclear proliferation has been avoided
     
    Not quite. She has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/11/11/iaea-iran-violated-nuclear-deal/

    Not quite. [Iran] has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.

    And how many provisions of the NPT has Israel breached, Sam. Oh, I almost forgot, the answer is zero… that’s b/c Israel refuses to sign the NPT. Hey, no big deal… as iffen is so fond of saying “Do as I say, not as I do.”

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    This isn't about Israel. Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.
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  84. Come now, Goldman Sachs’s Steven Mnuchin as Treasury of the Secretary? There’s one born every minute.

    The Unitedstatesian electorate clearly gets what it deserves from both arms of the duopoly–to wit, a three ring illusion of choice and change while the same old circus rolls on.

    Mesmerized, mediatized, lobotomized suckers! Step right up, step right up!

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    You...have...got...to...be...kidding...me...

    Wow - that is not a good sign - and that is an understatement.

    Peace.
    , @jacques sheete
    Amen!
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  85. utu says:

    Is there any populism left in Trump? Look at his nominations: retreads from Bush administration and retreaded economical ideas from Reagan. Mr. Trickle-down Paul Craig Roberts could have had a chance if he did not check out too soon for the UFO-land. Republicans at their worst. Steven Mnuchin? Romney? And all under auspices of Paul Ryan. Privatize everything!

    Steve Bannon, the only person in Trump entourage with original ideas will have to quit soon. They gave him an office, probably w/o a telephone, to keep some alt-righters pacified.

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    Er, Bannon is a Zionist or haven't poked into his background? He may lead the pack in putting mogen davids on the white nationalist sheets, just as Netanyahu also engineered the Zionization of fundmentalist Xians.

    Indeed, one sometimes wonders whether the absurd appearance of Israeli NAZI's was not a part of the long term plan.

    But recall, the Neo-Con idol Leo Strauss thought that the only thing seriously wrong with the German NAZI's was that they persecuted Jews. All the rest--no problem, jeje.

    No doubt Señor Netanyahu agrees, whatever he says in public.
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  86. Art says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "Who's in charge -- Trump's Jews or his voters?"

    Art,

    I don't want to advance my theory by getting mean. But my answer is quite simple and is widely accepted except for those not corralled by the MSM: The average U.S. voter does not (!) get a say on presidential elections, especially in the "hands-off" realm of lucrative & single ideology practice of American foreign policy.

    To a degree, I disagree with you that "his voters do not want an Iran." Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin' Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, "we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!"

    Others are older & smarter, and they understand the fact that U.S. is a very mature, (once industrialized) economy, and no one's going to "Make America Great Again" without the blessings of a huge wartime economic activity. Author Paul Kennedy is top notch at explaining such factor in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2ooo."

    Maybe at one period of Mitt Romney's political life, he read Paul Kennedy's book while seated on the governor toilet and trying to take a "crap"?

    Regarding your question , "does he (Trump) want a second term?" Answer: one can never be sure about The Donald. Indeed he likes the limelight and dispatching bombers over "rogue nations" gets more attention than dispatching ambitious managers off "The Apprentice."

    Also,you discussed Trump's potential appointment of Mitt as Secretary of State as a move which will "crap" upon his voters. As in all things, Art, "everything is relative, and that theorem includes the level by which President Trump's supporter's shall get "crapped" upon. In some areas, especially with regard to the > 50 year streak of U.S. foreign policy conduct in total support of Israel, diarrhea is know to pour upon the befuddled American taxpayer. I for one feel that Mitt Romney's ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole's attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.

    Finally, today's Wall Street Journal (1st page) headline howled, "(Jared) Kushner May face Business Conflicts." Oh shit, Art, -- how far can ethics experts go with all their whining about business "conflicts of interest"???? The righteous bastards! And here we have Trump's Jewish son-in-law (multinational real estate baron) ready to serve for no pay (0) and work to Make America Great Again!

    Please read Peter Grant's W.S.J. article below... at least he served American workers by talking with Kathleen Clark, "a government ethics lawyer and law professor as Washington University." Professor Clark opined, "(I) don't think Mr. Kushner would run afoul of rules if he participated in broad policy issues as the direction of interest rates or whether the U.S. military should side with Israel in a war."

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313387

    One must accept Jared Kushner's Zionism will have zero effect on who's side his father-in-law should be on if in the event Israel goes to war. Thanks, Art... I end by paraphrasing the late-Warren Zevon, "the shit has hit the 1984 fan!"

    To a degree, I disagree with you that “his voters do not want an Iran.” Sadly, while conversing with people inside Scranton-based Dunkin’ Donut shops, I learn that Trump supporters would enthusiastically support a major war against Iran. One pissed off fellow even said, “we should nuke them and turn the desert into glass!”

    Chuck Orloski,

    For sure that element is in every Republican vote – the people who switched to Trump are most likely NOT those hard asses. If Trump wants to get reelected he needs to appeal to those average middle class people who are part of the no-war voters.

    I for one feel that Mitt Romney’s ascension as Secretary of State will be merely a turd drop and the pole’s attention will quickly turn to Super Bowl parties 2017 and commercials.

    I think you are right. Four years is an epic in our times. Thanks for the thorough reply.

    Peace — Art

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  87. When, as reported by The Saker, the Russians in regard to Syria attacked the United States, specifically the Obama administration as “non-agreement-capable”, that is, incapable of making and keeping an agreement, they got to the heart of the matter.

    In fact the whole history of the United States is a long train of broken treaties and agreements, as standard policy.

    But structurally it is also a characteristic of United Statesian faux-democracy. One administration makes a treaty or an agreement and the next one breaks it.

    Trump is running true to form here as well, promising to negotiate new agreements with Iran and Cuba, while not following the ones already made.

    This casts doubt also on the supposed new “reset” of relations with the Russians, which is probably some real estate-like “deal” in Señor Trump’s delusional cabeza, that is, say, “Vladimir, old comrade, how about this–we will not interfere with you in Syria if you do not interfere with us in destabilizing and eventually attacking Iran. Talk to Señor Netanyahu–he’ll give to all the details.”

    Get ready for the White Nationalist corn field conclaves in sheets thick with swastikas, crosses, and mogen davids, jeje.

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  88. Talha says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Come now, Goldman Sachs's Steven Mnuchin as Treasury of the Secretary? There's one born every minute.

    The Unitedstatesian electorate clearly gets what it deserves from both arms of the duopoly--to wit, a three ring illusion of choice and change while the same old circus rolls on.

    Mesmerized, mediatized, lobotomized suckers! Step right up, step right up!

    You…have…got…to…be…kidding…me…

    Wow – that is not a good sign – and that is an understatement.

    Peace.

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  89. @utu
    Is there any populism left in Trump? Look at his nominations: retreads from Bush administration and retreaded economical ideas from Reagan. Mr. Trickle-down Paul Craig Roberts could have had a chance if he did not check out too soon for the UFO-land. Republicans at their worst. Steven Mnuchin? Romney? And all under auspices of Paul Ryan. Privatize everything!

    Steve Bannon, the only person in Trump entourage with original ideas will have to quit soon. They gave him an office, probably w/o a telephone, to keep some alt-righters pacified.

    Er, Bannon is a Zionist or haven’t poked into his background? He may lead the pack in putting mogen davids on the white nationalist sheets, just as Netanyahu also engineered the Zionization of fundmentalist Xians.

    Indeed, one sometimes wonders whether the absurd appearance of Israeli NAZI’s was not a part of the long term plan.

    But recall, the Neo-Con idol Leo Strauss thought that the only thing seriously wrong with the German NAZI’s was that they persecuted Jews. All the rest–no problem, jeje.

    No doubt Señor Netanyahu agrees, whatever he says in public.

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    I disagree on Bannon. He has way too much Catholic teaching in him to go the way of Christian fundamentalist and their zionist obsessions. Besides his view on capitalism seem to be also sensible: Neither the crony capitalism of Paul Bryans of the Republican party nor libertarian Ayn Rand's nonsense of quasi-educated Protestant youth. He will be sidelined. He is kept there to placate the populist electorate of Trump. The populist electorate will be placated with few miles of the useless wall and the sidetracked on bait and switch operation with islamophobia fest and some Middle East adventure on behalf of Nut&Yahoo.
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  90. @War for Blair Mountain
    Miro


    Shut fuck up with your psychotic ranting about building 7 and Larry Silverstien...I hate 9/11 Truthers violently with every fiber of my being!!!

    I’m pretty sure that 9/11 Truthers don’t feel hatred towards you at all, pity would be the most common and logical sentiment. Your posts here at unz.com really are pathetic.

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  91. I think the term ‘Islamophobia’ is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn’t hold water.

    I think it’s a pretty good term that has been given a bad name due to the Left trying to equate it with racism, as you said. It’s unfortunate that the populist right in the west has been forced to use anti Islam stuff in order to take power but a drowning man grabs whatever he can. The sad thing is, unlike other immigrant groups, Muslims never asked the Left to take up the Islamic cause but the Left felt it was their place and now Muslims are being tarred by association.

    I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine

    I reject Biblical inerrancy. If I admitted as much publicly I would be kicked out of my community. Rationality and religious doctrine don’t always fit as seamlessly as we would like to believe.

    But honestly, as unbelievable as it sounds, I really think the number one problem people in the west have with Muslims is the way they dress. I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me. Actually, I still kinda feel that way. I don’t know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction. I feel stupid even writing this but I really think that’s what it is.

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    Hey Greasy,

    Muslims are being tarred by association
     
    Muslims are to blame too, we cozied up to the Left way too close. It is costing us in terms of people losing their faith since Left-liberalism is such a contrast to our traditional mores. Most people that leave Islam go the Left-liberal, atheist route.

    I don’t know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction.
     
    You make an excellent point; there are two issues here:
    1) Muslims cannot be cultural predators in the lands that they live in - it is absolutely vital for them to dress in the styles that are common to the local people - the 'urf as much as their religion allows. If they come in wearing stuff that is the cultural norm for Bedouin Arabs, it will be rejected and seen as a foreign imposition. My teachers have emphasized to their students (especially women) to wear local (modest) styles and colors and avoid the niqab. If you go around the Muslim world, their is no mistaking a traditional Malay clothing from Senegalese, from Chechen from Punjabi, etc. - each are distinct. For God's sake, they even have unique caps or ways of tying their turban!
    2) Westerners have forgotten their (relatively recent) past. I married a Swede so I am quite interested in Sweden and its history. In any of the history books that I have come across, Swedish women (especially in the rural areas) dressed modestly, and covered their hair - often with elaborate head dress. And this happened well into the late 1800's and early 1900's - and this phenomenon is not unique to Sweden by any means:
    https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=traditional%20swedish%20dress&rs=typed&term_meta%5B%5D=dress%7Ctyped

    Hopefully, some enterprising young Muslims will figure out a way to infuse the traditional embroidery, patterns, styles into modern, modest clothing so that it is a revival of those same local Western norms people left behind. Some have already started working on it:
    http://www.shukronline.com/womens-tunic.html

    Peace.

    , @jacques sheete

    I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me.
     
    Thanks for pointing that out. It's a sort of revelation to me because situations like that arouse curiosity, not fear. I don't say that to claim some sappy moral superiority, but to point out the fact, (astonishing as it may seem to more enlightened folk), that heretofore I've been totally clueless that folks could feel threatened by something like that, and I've often reacted brashly towards them. Your pointing that out will hopefully cause me to approach potentially fearful ones in a more reasonable manner. It also somewhat explains for me a good reason to love the enemy; i.e., the poor dude may simply be afraid of something.
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  92. @Thirdeye
    WTC 7 shows just how stupid and undisciplined the 9/11 conspirators were. They had more demo charges than they needed for 1 and 2, so they brought down 7 just for jollies even though it blew the cover story that 1 and 2 were brought down by the jet fuel fires. Somebody needed to get fired for that one.

    I believe WTC7 was the actual control centre for the 9/11 demolition charges and also where the evidence concerning billions of dollars in fraud was stored by the SEC, it was very conveniently destroyed.

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  93. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    I think the term ‘Islamophobia’ is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn’t hold water.
     
    I think it's a pretty good term that has been given a bad name due to the Left trying to equate it with racism, as you said. It's unfortunate that the populist right in the west has been forced to use anti Islam stuff in order to take power but a drowning man grabs whatever he can. The sad thing is, unlike other immigrant groups, Muslims never asked the Left to take up the Islamic cause but the Left felt it was their place and now Muslims are being tarred by association.

    I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine
     
    I reject Biblical inerrancy. If I admitted as much publicly I would be kicked out of my community. Rationality and religious doctrine don't always fit as seamlessly as we would like to believe.

    But honestly, as unbelievable as it sounds, I really think the number one problem people in the west have with Muslims is the way they dress. I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me. Actually, I still kinda feel that way. I don't know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction. I feel stupid even writing this but I really think that's what it is.

    Hey Greasy,

    Muslims are being tarred by association

    Muslims are to blame too, we cozied up to the Left way too close. It is costing us in terms of people losing their faith since Left-liberalism is such a contrast to our traditional mores. Most people that leave Islam go the Left-liberal, atheist route.

    I don’t know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction.

    You make an excellent point; there are two issues here:
    1) Muslims cannot be cultural predators in the lands that they live in – it is absolutely vital for them to dress in the styles that are common to the local people – the ‘urf as much as their religion allows. If they come in wearing stuff that is the cultural norm for Bedouin Arabs, it will be rejected and seen as a foreign imposition. My teachers have emphasized to their students (especially women) to wear local (modest) styles and colors and avoid the niqab. If you go around the Muslim world, their is no mistaking a traditional Malay clothing from Senegalese, from Chechen from Punjabi, etc. – each are distinct. For God’s sake, they even have unique caps or ways of tying their turban!
    2) Westerners have forgotten their (relatively recent) past. I married a Swede so I am quite interested in Sweden and its history. In any of the history books that I have come across, Swedish women (especially in the rural areas) dressed modestly, and covered their hair – often with elaborate head dress. And this happened well into the late 1800′s and early 1900′s – and this phenomenon is not unique to Sweden by any means:

    https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=traditional%20swedish%20dress&rs=typed&term_meta%5B%5D=dress%7Ctyped

    Hopefully, some enterprising young Muslims will figure out a way to infuse the traditional embroidery, patterns, styles into modern, modest clothing so that it is a revival of those same local Western norms people left behind. Some have already started working on it:

    http://www.shukronline.com/womens-tunic.html

    Peace.

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  94. RobinG says:

    PHIL GIRALDI FOR PRESIDENTIAL ADVISOR

    Author says Trump needs patriot Giraldi in CIA post.

    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2016/11/29/the-us-intelligence-community-and-president-elect-donald-trump-needs-philip-giraldi/

    “The underlying theme and thread of all these revelations by Phil Giraldi underscores one glaring bright truth – that Mr Giraldi has consistently, courageously, heroically, and patriotically always chosen to expose the truth and provide intelligence that serves the interests of the American People and the United States of America, rather than the corporate/bankster plutocratic deep state elite.”

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  95. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sean
    Trump will destroy Iran, and Israel will be freed to do what it should have done in 1967.

    Not likely. Russia will exterminate Israel if Trump attacks Iran.

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  96. utu says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Er, Bannon is a Zionist or haven't poked into his background? He may lead the pack in putting mogen davids on the white nationalist sheets, just as Netanyahu also engineered the Zionization of fundmentalist Xians.

    Indeed, one sometimes wonders whether the absurd appearance of Israeli NAZI's was not a part of the long term plan.

    But recall, the Neo-Con idol Leo Strauss thought that the only thing seriously wrong with the German NAZI's was that they persecuted Jews. All the rest--no problem, jeje.

    No doubt Señor Netanyahu agrees, whatever he says in public.

    I disagree on Bannon. He has way too much Catholic teaching in him to go the way of Christian fundamentalist and their zionist obsessions. Besides his view on capitalism seem to be also sensible: Neither the crony capitalism of Paul Bryans of the Republican party nor libertarian Ayn Rand’s nonsense of quasi-educated Protestant youth. He will be sidelined. He is kept there to placate the populist electorate of Trump. The populist electorate will be placated with few miles of the useless wall and the sidetracked on bait and switch operation with islamophobia fest and some Middle East adventure on behalf of Nut&Yahoo.

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  97. RobinG says:

    SYRIA: Gareth Porter’s detailed debunking of the [propaganda op] White Helmets’ account of the September 19 attack on a Syrian Red Crescent aid convoy –

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/how-syrian-white-helmets-played-western-media

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  98. jag37777 says:
    @Jason Liu
    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don't share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

    Fascists (useful idiots of the rich) are getting very vocal lately.

    The left is not your enemy.

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    I go along with the old French saying: "My son, beware of the Right. But, my son, beware of the Left."
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  99. […] “Iranophobes on Parade”.  Trump’s stated position on Iran is nuts, and is completely out of sync with his usual consistent patriotic isolationism.  “The Iran Deal Is Doomed”.  “ISIS to carry out Dirty Bomb attack in near future?”. […]

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  100. With imminent Trump presidency at hand and borrowing words from W.B. Yeats: “Things will start falling apart” much faster than at present. “The center cannot hold” and “mere anarchy” will be “loosed upon the world”. Iran will probably be the first victim of Trump’s anarchic world in the making, where the “ceremony of innocence will be drowned”.
    Not that things would likely have fared better for Iran with a US led by Hillary Clinton. The threats and dangers for Iran’s future would have been more predictable then than now in a Trump presidency.
    As pointed out in some comments here American conventional war waging against Iran can be ruled out. US conventional wars have produced dismal results in the last decade and half, and are very unlikely to be contemplated against a well-defended Iran. Nevertheless, “American Exceptionalism” requires restoration of respect and awe of US’ global military might. The question then arises: How about introducing and making acceptable the use of tactical nuclear weapons to destroy “the Iran threat”? And Trump would be the man to do it. In a world where the West is sliding into disorder who would really care?
    Can anybody here tell me what Iranians would, or could, do if their country’s military and industrial infrastructures were nuked by the US (or Israel)?

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  101. hbm says:

    I’m all for staying out of the Middle East’s business, but it seems awful naive to me to believe Iran is anything but hostile towards the US, or that they aren’t interested in acquiring nuclear weapons.

    (Phil, didn’t I hear you say that an Iranian tried to kill you once?)

    I suspect Trump is more interested in the subservient position Obama has taken vis-a-vis the Iran deal. He’s old enough to remember the Iranian Revolution and Hostage Crisis– and our relationship since then, and it colors his opinions.

    Trump may also have insight into how ugly the Iran deal really is, particularly with respect to the massive payouts we’ve made and the circumstances provoking them. He may be using what he knows as a cudgel against his current administration enemies who also are aware of the true score.

    Iran-bashing also plays well to the AIPAC crowd, and Trump is clearly aware of that contingent’s power in Washington and in the media. Is Trump a hawk on Iran? Perhaps. But I think, at the very least, some of it is a show.

    At first Flynn sounded like a non-interventionist I could absolutely get behind, but as time has gone on he’s revealed himself to be more complicated, with his cheerleading that sounds suspiciously Neocon, his recently-revealed ties to the Turkish lobby and to Michael Ledeen. I actually wonder if Trump hasn’t cooled on Flynn a little bit. We haven’t seen much of him since the RNC.

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  102. Max Payne says:

    Come on Trump, don’t fail me now! I need something to watch, I’ve been DYING for this war with Iran. Don’t pussy out on me like Obama!

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  103. @E. A. Costa
    Come now, Goldman Sachs's Steven Mnuchin as Treasury of the Secretary? There's one born every minute.

    The Unitedstatesian electorate clearly gets what it deserves from both arms of the duopoly--to wit, a three ring illusion of choice and change while the same old circus rolls on.

    Mesmerized, mediatized, lobotomized suckers! Step right up, step right up!

    Amen!

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  104. @Greasy William

    I think the term ‘Islamophobia’ is pretty contrived and incoherent; people try to equate it with racism, but that doesn’t hold water.
     
    I think it's a pretty good term that has been given a bad name due to the Left trying to equate it with racism, as you said. It's unfortunate that the populist right in the west has been forced to use anti Islam stuff in order to take power but a drowning man grabs whatever he can. The sad thing is, unlike other immigrant groups, Muslims never asked the Left to take up the Islamic cause but the Left felt it was their place and now Muslims are being tarred by association.

    I will readily admit there are some rational things one can have issues with regarding Islamic doctrine
     
    I reject Biblical inerrancy. If I admitted as much publicly I would be kicked out of my community. Rationality and religious doctrine don't always fit as seamlessly as we would like to believe.

    But honestly, as unbelievable as it sounds, I really think the number one problem people in the west have with Muslims is the way they dress. I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me. Actually, I still kinda feel that way. I don't know what it is, but something about Islamic dress seems so completely alien to somebody from a western background and it creates a sort of visceral reaction. I feel stupid even writing this but I really think that's what it is.

    I remember my first time seeing people Islamic garb and how jarring and threatening it seemed to me.

    Thanks for pointing that out. It’s a sort of revelation to me because situations like that arouse curiosity, not fear. I don’t say that to claim some sappy moral superiority, but to point out the fact, (astonishing as it may seem to more enlightened folk), that heretofore I’ve been totally clueless that folks could feel threatened by something like that, and I’ve often reacted brashly towards them. Your pointing that out will hopefully cause me to approach potentially fearful ones in a more reasonable manner. It also somewhat explains for me a good reason to love the enemy; i.e., the poor dude may simply be afraid of something.

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  105. Randal says:
    @Amasius
    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

    That’s the hope for the world. But Giraldi’s point here is that Trump’s appointments suggest otherwise.

    Then again, it’s probably too much to hope for sanity on both Russia and Iran in one US administration.

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  106. Randal says:

    The two most glaringly obvious irrationalities in US elite thinking on foreign policy (if, for the sake of argument, one assumes US foreign policy should act in the interests of the American nation) are over Russia and Iran.

    It was probably always too much to realistically expect, even for a probably basically patriotic incomer such as Trump, that an administration could be formed from men who are rational on both those issues at once. The politics would be highly dangerous, and are there even enough sufficiently experienced men at the top levels of the US elite who are reasonably uncorrupted and competent on both issues to form such an administration at all?

    The best we can hope for from a Trump presidency, I suspect, is to at least draw back from the Clintonite unreason on Russia, with its implicit threat of world war, and from R2P stupidity, while he hopefully at least keeps somewhat of a lid on his staffers’ delusional aggression towards Iran, so far as he can achieve that.

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  107. schmenz says:
    @jag37777
    Fascists (useful idiots of the rich) are getting very vocal lately.

    The left is not your enemy.

    I go along with the old French saying: “My son, beware of the Right. But, my son, beware of the Left.”

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  108. moi says:
    @Amasius
    I think Trump just excoriated Iran over and over to placate Israel and the zionist envangicucks. I doubt he wants a war with them anymore than he wants one with Syria or Russia.

    Son-in-law and Zionist Jared Kushner is going to call the shots regarding our ME policy.

    Also, Giraldi should stop using the term “Mullahs” when referring to Iran. It is insulting and inaccurate–you’d think Giraldi would know better. Would he refer to our government as a “whitey” government…?

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  109. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    ... you morons...
     
    Getting closer.

    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’. After all, I’ve never spotted you chafing about “Big Jews, little jews “…etc

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    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’.
     
    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.
    , @geokat62

    After all, I’ve never spotted you chafing about “Big Jews, little jews “…etc
     
    Tell you what, Sam.. when I spot you chafing about disastrous actions - death of millions of innocent people, the creation of millions of refugees, and the redirecting of trillions of US taxpayer dollars - all due to The Lobby's efforts to remake MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, that's when you'll spot me chafing about insensitive words.
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  110. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Not quite. [Iran] has breached soft limits on a number of occasions.
     
    And how many provisions of the NPT has Israel breached, Sam. Oh, I almost forgot, the answer is zero... that's b/c Israel refuses to sign the NPT. Hey, no big deal... as iffen is so fond of saying "Do as I say, not as I do."

    This isn’t about Israel. Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.

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    "... striking a factual, instead of an idealized stance on every nation is important."

    As the one who you anointed as a "bacterial strain, " I'll second the above quotation in remembrance of "Operation Grapes of Wrath."

    I'd bet that some modern Okies who have read Steinbeck's classic "Grapes of Wrath" would turn quite pale had they learned facts about the evil perpetrated at Qana.

    Thank you, Sam the Sham! Unscrupulous people do not have virtues when they are fighting for an unscrupulous cause.
    , @Randal

    This isn’t about Israel.
     
    How can any discussion about US relations with Iran, especially about any aspect of the US-led drive to isolate and destabilise Iran and the nuclear weapons pretext used for that purpose, not include Israel and yet hope to be relevant?

    Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.
     
    I agree with you on this, though it's easier said than achieved in practice, imo.
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  111. Moe says:

    Trump is a clueless authoritarian.

    Pray that during the next 4-years he doesn’t use nuclear weapons, seize (or be handed) dictatorial powers to one degree or another, start some other non-nuclear war, or generally sink the economy.

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  112. @Sam Shama
    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker 'Art'. After all, I've never spotted you chafing about "Big Jews, little jews "...etc

    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’.

    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.

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    Haha. Should anti-Semitism carry a good name? But yes, I'd agree on balance that anti-Semitism's necessary but not sufficient condition requires some significant level of stupidity. Watch the Trump plan unfold over the next four years and you'll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites' shrillness.
    , @geokat62

    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.
     
    How true. Just as Israel firsters give Israel a bad name.
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  113. @Sam Shama
    This isn't about Israel. Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.

    “… striking a factual, instead of an idealized stance on every nation is important.”

    As the one who you anointed as a “bacterial strain, ” I’ll second the above quotation in remembrance of “Operation Grapes of Wrath.”

    I’d bet that some modern Okies who have read Steinbeck’s classic “Grapes of Wrath” would turn quite pale had they learned facts about the evil perpetrated at Qana.

    Thank you, Sam the Sham! Unscrupulous people do not have virtues when they are fighting for an unscrupulous cause.

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    And I'll second that sentiment in the spirit of Steinbeck's novel, hoping bacterial strains migrate as far west, preferably the mid-Pacific ocean, leaving this country in the hands of those firmly on terra firma and not your imaginary planet of the apes.

    Btw, you are a fraud and I happen to know your old handle. When driving around in Scranton pay attention to the traffic; bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.

    Also, when not loafing about the Dunkin Donuts, read up on Hama as well.

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  114. Randal says:
    @Sam Shama
    This isn't about Israel. Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.

    This isn’t about Israel.

    How can any discussion about US relations with Iran, especially about any aspect of the US-led drive to isolate and destabilise Iran and the nuclear weapons pretext used for that purpose, not include Israel and yet hope to be relevant?

    Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.

    I agree with you on this, though it’s easier said than achieved in practice, imo.

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    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best. In case you hadn't noticed, the just completed OPEC meeting concluded successfully, and I might add successfully for all, notably for Iran, since an overall production cut has been achieved withing reasonable parameters with Iran receiving an increased quota, over their previous production levels.


    There is to be no war against Iran!! so I wish uninformed people would simply stop.

    Member Country (kb/d)
    Reference Production level
    Adjustment
    Production level effective Jan17
    Algeria
    1,089
    –50
    1,039

    Angola
    1,751
    –87
    1,673

    Ecuador
    548
    –26
    522

    Gabon
    202
    –9
    193

    Indonesia**
    755

    IR Iran
    3,975
    90
    3,797


    Iraq
    4,561
    –210
    4,351

    Kuwait
    2,838
    –131
    2,707

    Libya
    450

    Nigeria
    1,452

    Qatar
    648
    –30
    618

    Saudi Arabia
    10,544
    –486
    10,058

    UAE
    3,013
    –139
    2,874

    Venezuela
    2,067
    –95
    1,972
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  115. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "... striking a factual, instead of an idealized stance on every nation is important."

    As the one who you anointed as a "bacterial strain, " I'll second the above quotation in remembrance of "Operation Grapes of Wrath."

    I'd bet that some modern Okies who have read Steinbeck's classic "Grapes of Wrath" would turn quite pale had they learned facts about the evil perpetrated at Qana.

    Thank you, Sam the Sham! Unscrupulous people do not have virtues when they are fighting for an unscrupulous cause.

    And I’ll second that sentiment in the spirit of Steinbeck’s novel, hoping bacterial strains migrate as far west, preferably the mid-Pacific ocean, leaving this country in the hands of those firmly on terra firma and not your imaginary planet of the apes.

    Btw, you are a fraud and I happen to know your old handle. When driving around in Scranton pay attention to the traffic; bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.

    Also, when not loafing about the Dunkin Donuts, read up on Hama as well.

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    "...bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days."

    Awful how bad public schools kids have it nowadays, eh Sam the Sham? In contrast to the idiotic statistic (above) which you customarily exaggerated, the minds of poor American kids actually suffer intellectual death at the hands of the U.S./ Zionist approved national history teaching curriculum.

    One thing you're correct about though! I admit to "loafing" in between am/pm school bus runs, but I do not run away from the waitress's "tip cups" like some of the curmudgeon ilk inhabiting Scranton "terra firma" Hill Section always do.

    Like Muhammad Ali once famously said, "ain't no Vietnamese ever called me a nigga'," now I can say that "ain't no Hamas ever called me a fraud."

    Thank you... pax in terra!
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  116. Sam Shama says:
    @Randal

    This isn’t about Israel.
     
    How can any discussion about US relations with Iran, especially about any aspect of the US-led drive to isolate and destabilise Iran and the nuclear weapons pretext used for that purpose, not include Israel and yet hope to be relevant?

    Moreover, my concern has to do with not ensconcing any country on a high pedestal of virtues. In other words, striking a factual, instead of an idealised stance on every nation is important.
     
    I agree with you on this, though it's easier said than achieved in practice, imo.

    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best. In case you hadn’t noticed, the just completed OPEC meeting concluded successfully, and I might add successfully for all, notably for Iran, since an overall production cut has been achieved withing reasonable parameters with Iran receiving an increased quota, over their previous production levels.

    There is to be no war against Iran!! so I wish uninformed people would simply stop.

    [MORE]

    Member Country (kb/d)
    Reference Production level
    Adjustment
    Production level effective Jan17
    Algeria
    1,089
    –50
    1,039

    Angola
    1,751
    –87
    1,673

    Ecuador
    548
    –26
    522

    Gabon
    202
    –9
    193

    Indonesia**
    755

    IR Iran
    3,975
    90
    3,797

    Iraq
    4,561
    –210
    4,351

    Kuwait
    2,838
    –131
    2,707

    Libya
    450

    Nigeria
    1,452

    Qatar
    648
    –30
    618

    Saudi Arabia
    10,544
    –486
    10,058

    UAE
    3,013
    –139
    2,874

    Venezuela
    2,067
    –95
    1,972

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    • Replies: @geokat62

    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.
     
    There you go again, Sam... trying to take The Dumb Goy for a ride.

    Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.

    Here's a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:

    But there's a little doubt that forswearing military action against Tehran should ease the upward pressure on world oil prices... and thus offer at least some reprieve to the U.S. consumer at a time when record gasoline prices appear to be driving widespread popular dismay with the state of the U.S. economy.

    "[I]f this administration truly wanted to spare Americans further pain at the pump, there is one thing it could do that would have an immediate effect," wrote Michael Klare, author of a new book, Rising Power, Shrinking Planet: The New Geopolitics of Energy, in this week's Nation magazine. "[D]eclare that military force is not an acceptable option in the struggle with Iran."

    http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=13074
     
    Ain't the Internet a beautiful thing?
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  117. […] Iranophobes on Parade […]

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  118. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best. In case you hadn't noticed, the just completed OPEC meeting concluded successfully, and I might add successfully for all, notably for Iran, since an overall production cut has been achieved withing reasonable parameters with Iran receiving an increased quota, over their previous production levels.


    There is to be no war against Iran!! so I wish uninformed people would simply stop.

    Member Country (kb/d)
    Reference Production level
    Adjustment
    Production level effective Jan17
    Algeria
    1,089
    –50
    1,039

    Angola
    1,751
    –87
    1,673

    Ecuador
    548
    –26
    522

    Gabon
    202
    –9
    193

    Indonesia**
    755

    IR Iran
    3,975
    90
    3,797


    Iraq
    4,561
    –210
    4,351

    Kuwait
    2,838
    –131
    2,707

    Libya
    450

    Nigeria
    1,452

    Qatar
    648
    –30
    618

    Saudi Arabia
    10,544
    –486
    10,058

    UAE
    3,013
    –139
    2,874

    Venezuela
    2,067
    –95
    1,972

    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.

    There you go again, Sam… trying to take The Dumb Goy for a ride.

    Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.

    Here’s a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:

    But there’s a little doubt that forswearing military action against Tehran should ease the upward pressure on world oil prices… and thus offer at least some reprieve to the U.S. consumer at a time when record gasoline prices appear to be driving widespread popular dismay with the state of the U.S. economy.

    “[I]f this administration truly wanted to spare Americans further pain at the pump, there is one thing it could do that would have an immediate effect,” wrote Michael Klare, author of a new book, Rising Power, Shrinking Planet: The New Geopolitics of Energy, in this week’s Nation magazine. “[D]eclare that military force is not an acceptable option in the struggle with Iran.”

    http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=13074

    Ain’t the Internet a beautiful thing?

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    Sorry Geo,
    but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they'd have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors.

    There were also numerous shocks to supply:

    1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there.

    2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports.

    3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields.

    4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production.

    5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife.

    6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field.

    7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.

    , @Avery
    Agree.
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  119. @Mao Cheng Ji

    ... radical Marxist group Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), which is now being seen favorably by several Trump advisors even though the group is Marxist, cult-like and has killed Americans.
     
    A minor point: what's with smearing political organizations as 'cult-like'? Do not US political parties (especially the Democrats, these days) behave like cults? Are not PNAC-neocons in the US a cult-like group? I saw a MEK demonstration in Geneva once, they looked like an ordinary marxist-leninist group, playing Russian revolutionary songs on a boombox. Nothing 'cult-like' whatsoever.

    Nothing ‘cult-like’ whatsoever.

    Blind worship of leadership; forced marriages and divorces of members, with numerous children separated from parents, etc. It is not “cult-like”. It is a cult.

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  120. @Sam Shama
    And I'll second that sentiment in the spirit of Steinbeck's novel, hoping bacterial strains migrate as far west, preferably the mid-Pacific ocean, leaving this country in the hands of those firmly on terra firma and not your imaginary planet of the apes.

    Btw, you are a fraud and I happen to know your old handle. When driving around in Scranton pay attention to the traffic; bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.

    Also, when not loafing about the Dunkin Donuts, read up on Hama as well.

    “…bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days.”

    Awful how bad public schools kids have it nowadays, eh Sam the Sham? In contrast to the idiotic statistic (above) which you customarily exaggerated, the minds of poor American kids actually suffer intellectual death at the hands of the U.S./ Zionist approved national history teaching curriculum.

    One thing you’re correct about though! I admit to “loafing” in between am/pm school bus runs, but I do not run away from the waitress’s “tip cups” like some of the curmudgeon ilk inhabiting Scranton “terra firma” Hill Section always do.

    Like Muhammad Ali once famously said, “ain’t no Vietnamese ever called me a nigga’,” now I can say that “ain’t no Hamas ever called me a fraud.”

    Thank you… pax in terra!

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    Although it would've been poetic in an ironic way, only a fraud would equate Hama to Hamas. Update your reading between the imaginary bus runs, and try not to kill the children.
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  121. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.
     
    There you go again, Sam... trying to take The Dumb Goy for a ride.

    Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.

    Here's a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:

    But there's a little doubt that forswearing military action against Tehran should ease the upward pressure on world oil prices... and thus offer at least some reprieve to the U.S. consumer at a time when record gasoline prices appear to be driving widespread popular dismay with the state of the U.S. economy.

    "[I]f this administration truly wanted to spare Americans further pain at the pump, there is one thing it could do that would have an immediate effect," wrote Michael Klare, author of a new book, Rising Power, Shrinking Planet: The New Geopolitics of Energy, in this week's Nation magazine. "[D]eclare that military force is not an acceptable option in the struggle with Iran."

    http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=13074
     
    Ain't the Internet a beautiful thing?

    Sorry Geo,
    but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors.

    There were also numerous shocks to supply:

    1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there.

    2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports.

    3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields.

    4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production.

    5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife.

    6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field.

    7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.

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    If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of...
     
    Excellent exposition of the d/s fundamentals, Sam. I would give you an A+. But what you have conveniently omitted from your little fundamentals analysis, Sam, is the critical role speculators play in setting the price in the crude oil futures market:

    “This is a huge risk position these money managers are putting on,” says Evans. Since futures contracts are purchased on margin, speculators typically put up something around 10 percent of the value of the total contract, depending on how leveraged they are. So while the notional dollar amount of outstanding contracts may not be incredibly large, the positions relative to the size of the crude oil market are. Evans worries that the price of oil now depends entirely on the situation in Iran. “There’s only one fundamental scenario we’re hinging on: We either lose Iranian supply or we don’t,” says Evans.

    This isn’t the first time speculators have poured into oil futures and pushed the price up. But the scale of what’s happening now dwarfs previous run-ups. For example, back in July 2007, a year before the price of oil peaked at $144 a barrel, money managers held a net long position of 160,000 WTI futures contracts on the NYMEX, says Evans. Today, that number is 272,000 contracts.

    Just as rising oil prices sparked angry congressional hearings about oil speculators in 2008, this week Democratic members of Congress lashed out at oil speculators, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission for failing to limit them.

    “This is so much bigger than what happened in ’07 and ’08,” says Tom Kloza, director of New Jersey-based research firm Oil Price Information Service. As long as the threat over Iran remains, the price will continue to rise. “Iran is dissuading the typical sellers out there who function as circuit breakers when markets get out of control to the upside,” says Kloza.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-07/have-oil-speculators-already-priced-in-war-with-iran


    But the situation got even worse for the speculators on Friday: as trading started in London, the market reacted to comments by the Israeli transport minister – and a former chief of the Israeli military – who said an attack on Iran was “unavoidable”. Then, as New York opened, Morgan Stanley, the investment bank, warned that prices could jump to $150 a barrel in two weeks.

    The Israeli threat plus the Morgan Stanley forecast triggered fresh buying of spot contracts – rather than long-term ones – in turn further undermining the short-sellers. By mid-afternoon in New York, traders say, they were forced to throw in the towel and cover their positions, sending oil prices rocketing more than $11 at one point.

    https://www.ft.com/content/e34d30e0-366c-11dd-8bb8-0000779fd2ac
     
    For that little omission, Sam, you get an F.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.
     
    As always, Sam, it appears that you are the one who is guilty of having a vivid imagination.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Meanwhile, follow the money…

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/5559634
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  122. Avery says:
    @geokat62

    In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.
     
    There you go again, Sam... trying to take The Dumb Goy for a ride.

    Try casting your mind way back to 2008, when Bush and Cheney were still in office. Do you recall the price at which WTI traded on July 11, 2008? Why, it reached the record peak of US$147.27.

    Here's a simple explanation of the key driver that led to that peak:

    But there's a little doubt that forswearing military action against Tehran should ease the upward pressure on world oil prices... and thus offer at least some reprieve to the U.S. consumer at a time when record gasoline prices appear to be driving widespread popular dismay with the state of the U.S. economy.

    "[I]f this administration truly wanted to spare Americans further pain at the pump, there is one thing it could do that would have an immediate effect," wrote Michael Klare, author of a new book, Rising Power, Shrinking Planet: The New Geopolitics of Energy, in this week's Nation magazine. "[D]eclare that military force is not an acceptable option in the struggle with Iran."

    http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=13074
     
    Ain't the Internet a beautiful thing?

    Agree.

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  123. @KenH
    The U.S. National Intelligence Estimates (NIE) has consistently stated that Iran is not seeking to build a nuclear weapons program. When do hard facts finally win against pro-Israel/anti-Iran ideology, propaganda and Israeli meddling in U.S foreign policy via their too numerous to count agents throughout the establishment? Throw in some prominent, end times Christian fanatics who dutifully support anything Israel so desires.

    It's time we get out of the Middle East and adopt a policy of strict neutrality with all nations, especially Iran, although we should assist Syria and Russia in their endeavor to destroy ISIS. If Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel don't like that then too bad.

    I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.

    “I feel much better if Trump was listening to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul on foreign policy matters.”

    So would I, sir, so would I!

    As one who voted for Trump, I’ll admit to being underwhelmed by his choice of Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor. And those cretins Romney and Guiliani are being considered for Secretary of State! . . .

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  124. RobinG says:

    Thank you. Very much a cult, indeed.

    Many of these MEK separated, brainwashed children were, for years, virtual prisoners in Camp Ashraf in Iraq. Originally sheltered by Saddam, MEK orchestrated random assassinations, i.e. terrorism in Iran. For some years the US had them rightly designated as terrorist org., until they managed to slither off the list. They crept around DC, mewling the usual ‘persecuted freedom-fighter’ BS.

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  125. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "...bus drivers are causing the death of pupils rather frequently these days."

    Awful how bad public schools kids have it nowadays, eh Sam the Sham? In contrast to the idiotic statistic (above) which you customarily exaggerated, the minds of poor American kids actually suffer intellectual death at the hands of the U.S./ Zionist approved national history teaching curriculum.

    One thing you're correct about though! I admit to "loafing" in between am/pm school bus runs, but I do not run away from the waitress's "tip cups" like some of the curmudgeon ilk inhabiting Scranton "terra firma" Hill Section always do.

    Like Muhammad Ali once famously said, "ain't no Vietnamese ever called me a nigga'," now I can say that "ain't no Hamas ever called me a fraud."

    Thank you... pax in terra!

    Although it would’ve been poetic in an ironic way, only a fraud would equate Hama to Hamas. Update your reading between the imaginary bus runs, and try not to kill the children.

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    Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.
    Hama not so much.
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  126. Sam Shama says:
    @Greasy William

    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’.
     
    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.

    Haha. Should anti-Semitism carry a good name? But yes, I’d agree on balance that anti-Semitism’s necessary but not sufficient condition requires some significant level of stupidity. Watch the Trump plan unfold over the next four years and you’ll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites’ shrillness.

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    "... you'll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites shrillness."

    Here is a fact, Sam the Sham: One day the US/Zionist Empire will fall, like all the rest did throughout recorded history.

    Someday, when the US/Zionist Empire is simply wiped out, maybe under the presidency of Donald Trump's son-in-law's son, all Zionist Jews would in my opinion IMMEDIATELY transfer their loyalty to... uh, Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III.

    You should know better, Sam the Sham! Y0ur enthusiasm for what you flippantly label as moronic "antisemitism" makes you impervious to understand that the Islamic Republic of Iran government must be wiped out (by USrael) and thus remove a danger to Greater Israel's eastern flank. No inconvenient fact(s) will get in the way of such Superpower "Asian Century" undertaking.

    Get on the ball! I don't know how much more freshman-level Hasbara Fellowship comments (like yours) this thread can take. In meantime, pax in terra.
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  127. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Sorry Geo,
    but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they'd have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors.

    There were also numerous shocks to supply:

    1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there.

    2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports.

    3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields.

    4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production.

    5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife.

    6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field.

    7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.

    If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of…

    Excellent exposition of the d/s fundamentals, Sam. I would give you an A+. But what you have conveniently omitted from your little fundamentals analysis, Sam, is the critical role speculators play in setting the price in the crude oil futures market:

    “This is a huge risk position these money managers are putting on,” says Evans. Since futures contracts are purchased on margin, speculators typically put up something around 10 percent of the value of the total contract, depending on how leveraged they are. So while the notional dollar amount of outstanding contracts may not be incredibly large, the positions relative to the size of the crude oil market are. Evans worries that the price of oil now depends entirely on the situation in Iran. “There’s only one fundamental scenario we’re hinging on: We either lose Iranian supply or we don’t,” says Evans.

    This isn’t the first time speculators have poured into oil futures and pushed the price up. But the scale of what’s happening now dwarfs previous run-ups. For example, back in July 2007, a year before the price of oil peaked at $144 a barrel, money managers held a net long position of 160,000 WTI futures contracts on the NYMEX, says Evans. Today, that number is 272,000 contracts.

    Just as rising oil prices sparked angry congressional hearings about oil speculators in 2008, this week Democratic members of Congress lashed out at oil speculators, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission for failing to limit them.

    “This is so much bigger than what happened in ’07 and ’08,” says Tom Kloza, director of New Jersey-based research firm Oil Price Information Service. As long as the threat over Iran remains, the price will continue to rise. “Iran is dissuading the typical sellers out there who function as circuit breakers when markets get out of control to the upside,” says Kloza.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-07/have-oil-speculators-already-priced-in-war-with-iran

    But the situation got even worse for the speculators on Friday: as trading started in London, the market reacted to comments by the Israeli transport minister – and a former chief of the Israeli military – who said an attack on Iran was “unavoidable”. Then, as New York opened, Morgan Stanley, the investment bank, warned that prices could jump to $150 a barrel in two weeks.

    The Israeli threat plus the Morgan Stanley forecast triggered fresh buying of spot contracts – rather than long-term ones – in turn further undermining the short-sellers. By mid-afternoon in New York, traders say, they were forced to throw in the towel and cover their positions, sending oil prices rocketing more than $11 at one point.

    https://www.ft.com/content/e34d30e0-366c-11dd-8bb8-0000779fd2ac

    For that little omission, Sam, you get an F.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.

    As always, Sam, it appears that you are the one who is guilty of having a vivid imagination.

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    I think you misunderstood my point: there is always a fear premium built into futures prices, in this instance due to Iran launch-testing missiles capable of reaching Tel-Aviv and the inevitable prospect of retaliation. However in 2008, Iran's output did not fall during that period and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.
    , @Sam Shama
    In addition, this blog entry from Menzie Chin [an economist I endorse] provides a really thorough and balanced approach to the Spring 2008 oil spike:


    http://econbrowser.com/archives/2009/04/causes_of_the_o

    he concludes:

    But while the question of the possible contribution of speculators and the Fed is a very interesting one, it should not distract us from the broader fact: some degree of significant oil price appreciation during 2007-08 was an inevitable consequence of booming demand and stagnant production.
     
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  128. @Sam Shama
    Sorry Geo,
    but this is antiwar doing its usual hammer-for-all-things-as-nails. If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they'd have explained it as a confluence of (1) severe supply reductions from non-OPEC members and (2) a sharp global increase in demand over the 2005-2008 period. Both demand and supply of oil happen to be rather inelastic; demand so, given the extended lead times required for petroleum based equipment replacement and supply so, for the simple inability of existing oilfields to run near or beyond full capacity given risk factors.

    There were also numerous shocks to supply:

    1. In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over the nationalisation of the company’s properties there.

    2. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports.

    3. On April 25, Nigerian union workers went out on strike, causing ExxonMobil to shut in production of 780,000 barrels per day from three fields.

    4. Two days later, on April 27, Scottish oil workers walked off the job, leading to a closure of the North Forties pipeline that carries about half of the United Kingdom’s the North Sea oil production.

    5. As of May 1, about 1.36 million barrels per day of Nigerian production was shut in due to a combination of militant attacks on oil facilities, sabotage, and labour strife.

    6. At the same time, it was reported that Mexican oil exports (tenth largest in the world) had fallen sharply in April due to a rapid decline in the country’s massive Cantarell oil field.

    7. On June 19, militant attacks in Nigeria caused Shell to shut in an additional 225,000 barrels per day. On June 20, just days before the price of oil reached its historic peak, Nigerian protesters blew up a pipeline that forced Chevron to shut in 125,000 barrels per day.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.

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    Hi Nosy,
    Trump's team was eminently visible to voters the whole time, so I'm more than a little perplexed at the reaction from so many on this board and elsewhere about his picks. I happen to think that scrapping Dodd-Frank in its entirety is ill-advised but all other actions he has taken have been fine [Carrier e.g] .

    I think Steve Bannon is a great pick, as are Mnuchin, Haley, Flynn and Sessions for the job Trump promised voters. But of course, we have to wait and see what the first 100 days produce.

    I think he picks Romney over Giuliani as he needs Romney to mobilise the GoP apparatus to work with him. But Trump being Trump might end up surprising everyone with a pick like Bolton!
    , @Sam Shama
    As a further update, Mnuchin is thinking of very long maturity debt as a means to lock up funding:

    (Bloomberg) --
    Steven Mnuchin, President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for U.S. Treasury secretary, said he’ll explore issuing debt maturing in more than 30 years to cushion the effect of rising interest rates, signaling incoming officials may be open to ideas that the current administration has been unwilling to implement.

    “Interest rates are going to stay relatively low for the next couple of years,” Mnuchin said Wednesday in an interview on CNBC. Among other initiatives, “we’ll look at potentially extending the maturity of the debt, because eventually we are going to have higher interest rates, and that’s something that this country is going to need to deal with.”

    Asked if he would consider maturities as long as 50 years or 100 years, Mnuchin said: “We’ll take a look at everything.”
     
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  129. @Sam Shama
    Haha. Should anti-Semitism carry a good name? But yes, I'd agree on balance that anti-Semitism's necessary but not sufficient condition requires some significant level of stupidity. Watch the Trump plan unfold over the next four years and you'll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites' shrillness.

    “… you’ll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites shrillness.”

    Here is a fact, Sam the Sham: One day the US/Zionist Empire will fall, like all the rest did throughout recorded history.

    Someday, when the US/Zionist Empire is simply wiped out, maybe under the presidency of Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son, all Zionist Jews would in my opinion IMMEDIATELY transfer their loyalty to… uh, Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III.

    You should know better, Sam the Sham! Y0ur enthusiasm for what you flippantly label as moronic “antisemitism” makes you impervious to understand that the Islamic Republic of Iran government must be wiped out (by USrael) and thus remove a danger to Greater Israel’s eastern flank. No inconvenient fact(s) will get in the way of such Superpower “Asian Century” undertaking.

    Get on the ball! I don’t know how much more freshman-level Hasbara Fellowship comments (like yours) this thread can take. In meantime, pax in terra.

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    Hahahaha.....

    "Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son", "Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III"

    What are you babbling about Orloski? Now run along and read about the Hama
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  130. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker 'Art'. After all, I've never spotted you chafing about "Big Jews, little jews "...etc

    After all, I’ve never spotted you chafing about “Big Jews, little jews “…etc

    Tell you what, Sam.. when I spot you chafing about disastrous actions – death of millions of innocent people, the creation of millions of refugees, and the redirecting of trillions of US taxpayer dollars – all due to The Lobby’s efforts to remake MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, that’s when you’ll spot me chafing about insensitive words.

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    You've got the gist of my little post inverted; I only meant that you don't ever chafe with 'Jew-this 'or 'Jew that' in your writing, and therefore questioned where the identification with the 'Art's came from. Moreover, I don't need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME. It would quickly get rather boring.
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  131. geokat62 says:
    @Greasy William

    Sorry to see you self-identify with the morons writing under the moniker ‘Art’.
     
    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.

    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.

    How true. Just as Israel firsters give Israel a bad name.

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    It's pretty ironic, isn't it?
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  132. @Mark Green
    Why is Washington (and the Deep State) obsessed with Iran? After all, Iran poses no conceivable threat to the US. The never-ending 'crisis' between Tehran and Washington is primarily about Israel. 'America First' will just have to wait.

    Just as the US destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were crypto-Israeli hits, Iran is now at the very top of Israel's 'Injure and Weaken' list.

    And since US military and political power is very much in the hands of high-powered Zionist operatives, Iran must be softened up until the time is right for either a Syria-style destabilization campaign, or an Iraq-style annihilation. The Zionist-friendly, re-making of the Middle East is still underway. It's a Deep State affair that's been unofficial policy since the PNAC papers.

    Like all modern US presidents, Trump has no intention of starting his presidency in a struggle with the ubiquitous Israel lobby. Let's get real. Thus, heightened political and economic pressure on Iran is inevitable. Zionists demand it.

    Iran is the kingpin [1] of regime change and for Trump-revenge for the jailing of our diplomats by the students in Tehran.

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  133. @Jason Liu
    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don't share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

    Trump will work cordially with your “left-leaning” governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue. Iran is a different kettle of fish but you can hardly call its government “left-leaning” or do you?

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    "Trump will work cordially with your “left-leaning” governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue"

    Like Cuba, jeje?
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  134. @geokat62

    Anti semites give anti semitism a bad name.
     
    How true. Just as Israel firsters give Israel a bad name.

    It’s pretty ironic, isn’t it?

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  135. @MEexpert
    The neocons always win, even when they lose. Chalk up another win for Israel as the sole beneficiary of this version of US foreign policy. And I thought Trump was smart.

    If I am not mistaken, Prime Minister Netanyahu is against our government pulling out of the Iran agreement. If that is correct, how does that square with your analysis?

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    Ah yes--what Netanyahu has been reported to have recommended to Señor Trump is, stay in and renegotiate, then strangle gradually.

    Which the obedient Señor Trump will surely try his best to do. Heil, Bibi, etc.
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  136. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of...
     
    Excellent exposition of the d/s fundamentals, Sam. I would give you an A+. But what you have conveniently omitted from your little fundamentals analysis, Sam, is the critical role speculators play in setting the price in the crude oil futures market:

    “This is a huge risk position these money managers are putting on,” says Evans. Since futures contracts are purchased on margin, speculators typically put up something around 10 percent of the value of the total contract, depending on how leveraged they are. So while the notional dollar amount of outstanding contracts may not be incredibly large, the positions relative to the size of the crude oil market are. Evans worries that the price of oil now depends entirely on the situation in Iran. “There’s only one fundamental scenario we’re hinging on: We either lose Iranian supply or we don’t,” says Evans.

    This isn’t the first time speculators have poured into oil futures and pushed the price up. But the scale of what’s happening now dwarfs previous run-ups. For example, back in July 2007, a year before the price of oil peaked at $144 a barrel, money managers held a net long position of 160,000 WTI futures contracts on the NYMEX, says Evans. Today, that number is 272,000 contracts.

    Just as rising oil prices sparked angry congressional hearings about oil speculators in 2008, this week Democratic members of Congress lashed out at oil speculators, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission for failing to limit them.

    “This is so much bigger than what happened in ’07 and ’08,” says Tom Kloza, director of New Jersey-based research firm Oil Price Information Service. As long as the threat over Iran remains, the price will continue to rise. “Iran is dissuading the typical sellers out there who function as circuit breakers when markets get out of control to the upside,” says Kloza.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-07/have-oil-speculators-already-priced-in-war-with-iran


    But the situation got even worse for the speculators on Friday: as trading started in London, the market reacted to comments by the Israeli transport minister – and a former chief of the Israeli military – who said an attack on Iran was “unavoidable”. Then, as New York opened, Morgan Stanley, the investment bank, warned that prices could jump to $150 a barrel in two weeks.

    The Israeli threat plus the Morgan Stanley forecast triggered fresh buying of spot contracts – rather than long-term ones – in turn further undermining the short-sellers. By mid-afternoon in New York, traders say, they were forced to throw in the towel and cover their positions, sending oil prices rocketing more than $11 at one point.

    https://www.ft.com/content/e34d30e0-366c-11dd-8bb8-0000779fd2ac
     
    For that little omission, Sam, you get an F.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.
     
    As always, Sam, it appears that you are the one who is guilty of having a vivid imagination.

    I think you misunderstood my point: there is always a fear premium built into futures prices, in this instance due to Iran launch-testing missiles capable of reaching Tel-Aviv and the inevitable prospect of retaliation. However in 2008, Iran’s output did not fall during that period and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.

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    ... and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.
     
    According to this ECB WORKING PAPER SERIES, NO 1371 / AUGUST 2011 report, entitled WHAT IS DRIVING OIL FUTURES PRICES? FUNDAMENTALS VERSUS SPECULATION, oil prices were driven by fundamentals. Trouble is, Sam, it is for the period 1992-2004. For the period we were discussing (2005-2011), however, speculation appears to have been the driver.

    A few relevant excerpts:

    Such relatively dramatic and unprecedented movements in oil prices have reignited interest into the question as to what drives oil prices. The recent academic and policy debate seems to put forward several possible factors however no consensus seems to arise as to the relative importance of these factors. In particular, there is no consensus as to the relative weight that should be attributed to speculation versus (i.e. supply and demand) fundamentals in driving oil prices.

    In this paper we analyse the relative importance of fundamental and speculation driven demand on oil futures price levels and volatility...

    In a next step in the paper, we empirically test the model by estimating a markov-switching model with time-varying transition probabilities. We estimate the model over the period January 1992 - April 2011. We find that for the earlier part of our sample (up to 2004) that fundamentals have been the key driving force behind oil price movements. Thereafter, trend chasing patterns [i.e., speculation] appear to be better in capturing the developments in oil futures markets.

    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecbwp1371.pdf?6cc825896854b9bbc6e10eaf06ef99e2
     
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  137. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    If you spoke to legitimate oil market analysts, they’d have explained it as a confluence of...
     
    Excellent exposition of the d/s fundamentals, Sam. I would give you an A+. But what you have conveniently omitted from your little fundamentals analysis, Sam, is the critical role speculators play in setting the price in the crude oil futures market:

    “This is a huge risk position these money managers are putting on,” says Evans. Since futures contracts are purchased on margin, speculators typically put up something around 10 percent of the value of the total contract, depending on how leveraged they are. So while the notional dollar amount of outstanding contracts may not be incredibly large, the positions relative to the size of the crude oil market are. Evans worries that the price of oil now depends entirely on the situation in Iran. “There’s only one fundamental scenario we’re hinging on: We either lose Iranian supply or we don’t,” says Evans.

    This isn’t the first time speculators have poured into oil futures and pushed the price up. But the scale of what’s happening now dwarfs previous run-ups. For example, back in July 2007, a year before the price of oil peaked at $144 a barrel, money managers held a net long position of 160,000 WTI futures contracts on the NYMEX, says Evans. Today, that number is 272,000 contracts.

    Just as rising oil prices sparked angry congressional hearings about oil speculators in 2008, this week Democratic members of Congress lashed out at oil speculators, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission for failing to limit them.

    “This is so much bigger than what happened in ’07 and ’08,” says Tom Kloza, director of New Jersey-based research firm Oil Price Information Service. As long as the threat over Iran remains, the price will continue to rise. “Iran is dissuading the typical sellers out there who function as circuit breakers when markets get out of control to the upside,” says Kloza.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-07/have-oil-speculators-already-priced-in-war-with-iran


    But the situation got even worse for the speculators on Friday: as trading started in London, the market reacted to comments by the Israeli transport minister – and a former chief of the Israeli military – who said an attack on Iran was “unavoidable”. Then, as New York opened, Morgan Stanley, the investment bank, warned that prices could jump to $150 a barrel in two weeks.

    The Israeli threat plus the Morgan Stanley forecast triggered fresh buying of spot contracts – rather than long-term ones – in turn further undermining the short-sellers. By mid-afternoon in New York, traders say, they were forced to throw in the towel and cover their positions, sending oil prices rocketing more than $11 at one point.

    https://www.ft.com/content/e34d30e0-366c-11dd-8bb8-0000779fd2ac
     
    For that little omission, Sam, you get an F.

    So the Israel/Iran angle is just another figment of the imagination.
     
    As always, Sam, it appears that you are the one who is guilty of having a vivid imagination.

    In addition, this blog entry from Menzie Chin [an economist I endorse] provides a really thorough and balanced approach to the Spring 2008 oil spike:

    http://econbrowser.com/archives/2009/04/causes_of_the_o

    he concludes:

    But while the question of the possible contribution of speculators and the Fed is a very interesting one, it should not distract us from the broader fact: some degree of significant oil price appreciation during 2007-08 was an inevitable consequence of booming demand and stagnant production.

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  138. @Miro23

    Hopefully someone will convince Donald Trump that the real answer to eliminating the “Iranian threat” is not war.
     
    This is an interesting article. Advisors are important, and Flynn (National Security Advisor) and Pompeo (Head of CIA) will hold some power in their own right, partly independent of Trump, and on past statements they are on board for Iranian "regime change".

    After 9/11, the destruction of Iran (physical destruction) is the last piece of major unfinished Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East, and has been at the centre of Netanyahu's efforts for years, with Israel needing it's US client state to directly bomb the country, or bomb it along with an Israeli "preventive" strike.

    The interesting part, is that, from the "America First" viewpoint, an Iran war would be pure downside, with higher military expenditure, higher oil prices, increased anti-Americanism in the Middle/East, China and Russia and perhaps increased instability in Saudi Arabia as it is more closely identified with Israel and the US.

    Trump was elected on "America First", promising government spending on infrastructure rather than foreign wars, so if he presented the public with the bill for a new Iran war plus higher oil prices and a hostile Russia and China he would no doubt be in political trouble.

    A truly cynical view, would be, that he could dangle the desirable fruit of an Iran war in front of the Neocons/Israelis while he takes down the FED/Wall St. alliance and puts tariffs on outsourced production, thereby pleasing his base while dividing his many Establishment opponents. He knows that there's no love lost between Wall St. and the Israelis.

    Equally, he knows that Building 7 and the other two towers didn't fall due to fire, so by supporting Netanyahu and the Zionists he's operating in "morality free territory", rather like LBJ recalling the rescue aircraft heading for the USS Liberty.

    Which all makes a very dangerous and unpredictable situation. Trump may well be a fake, only seeking to enhance his personal power, or he may be acting for his base in an extraordinarily cynical and convoluted way. It's difficult to say, and it may be a combination of both, but an outright Iran war would be a guaranteed loser for him.

    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic ” Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East”. I do not deny that it plays a role but it may not even be the most important one.
    The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
    It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work “Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
    There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China’s ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.

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    Great thought provoking post.
    , @geokat62

    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic ” Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East”.
     
    So, let's see if I've got this straight. The ventriloquist David Frum whose voice appeared to come from George W Bush when he uttered the infamous phrase "States like [Iran, Iraq, NK... convenient substitute for Syria, not to make things too obvious for The Dumb Goy] and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world," was more concerned about keeping shipping lanes open than he was about enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle? These wars in MENA were not PNAC inspired as stipulated in their A Clean Break blueprint? It had nothing to do with AIPAC's influence to grease the skids for war by getting Congress to pass legislation like the Iraq Liberation Act? We should not believe our lying eyes and instead we should believe you that this is all about Mare Liberatum? Do I have that right? I ask because, as one of The Dumb Goy, my mind is only capable of comprehending "simplistic" explanations and needs help grasping the "more complex" ones.
    , @Miro23
    The WMD story and 9/11 required considerable effort on the part of Zionists within the US administration and it wasn't aimed at promoting "Freedom of the Sea".
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  139. Sam Shama says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Meanwhile, follow the money…

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/5559634

    Hi Nosy,
    Trump’s team was eminently visible to voters the whole time, so I’m more than a little perplexed at the reaction from so many on this board and elsewhere about his picks. I happen to think that scrapping Dodd-Frank in its entirety is ill-advised but all other actions he has taken have been fine [Carrier e.g] .

    I think Steve Bannon is a great pick, as are Mnuchin, Haley, Flynn and Sessions for the job Trump promised voters. But of course, we have to wait and see what the first 100 days produce.

    I think he picks Romney over Giuliani as he needs Romney to mobilise the GoP apparatus to work with him. But Trump being Trump might end up surprising everyone with a pick like Bolton!

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  140. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "... you'll find facts never get in the way of the antisemites shrillness."

    Here is a fact, Sam the Sham: One day the US/Zionist Empire will fall, like all the rest did throughout recorded history.

    Someday, when the US/Zionist Empire is simply wiped out, maybe under the presidency of Donald Trump's son-in-law's son, all Zionist Jews would in my opinion IMMEDIATELY transfer their loyalty to... uh, Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III.

    You should know better, Sam the Sham! Y0ur enthusiasm for what you flippantly label as moronic "antisemitism" makes you impervious to understand that the Islamic Republic of Iran government must be wiped out (by USrael) and thus remove a danger to Greater Israel's eastern flank. No inconvenient fact(s) will get in the way of such Superpower "Asian Century" undertaking.

    Get on the ball! I don't know how much more freshman-level Hasbara Fellowship comments (like yours) this thread can take. In meantime, pax in terra.

    Hahahaha…..

    “Donald Trump’s son-in-law’s son”, “Deng Mnuchin-Xiaoping, III”

    What are you babbling about Orloski? Now run along and read about the Hama

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  141. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    After all, I’ve never spotted you chafing about “Big Jews, little jews “…etc
     
    Tell you what, Sam.. when I spot you chafing about disastrous actions - death of millions of innocent people, the creation of millions of refugees, and the redirecting of trillions of US taxpayer dollars - all due to The Lobby's efforts to remake MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, that's when you'll spot me chafing about insensitive words.

    You’ve got the gist of my little post inverted; I only meant that you don’t ever chafe with ‘Jew-this ‘or ‘Jew that’ in your writing, and therefore questioned where the identification with the ‘Art’s came from. Moreover, I don’t need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME. It would quickly get rather boring.

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    You’ve got the gist of my little post inverted;
     
    Just staying true to my Hellenic roots, Sam

    Moreover, I don’t need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME.
     
    You don't need to preface all your posts, Sam... one will do. Given all the death and destruction, do you renounce the neocons' project to remake the Middle East?
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  142. Ivymike says:

    We the people couldn’t stomach the very high casualties from an actual invasion of Iran, but I’m afraid most Americans would find a long and destructive air campaign against Iran even more satisfying than left over turkey and gravy. The infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up. War with Iran seems the perfect way to accomplish that. Thinking has to change, we’re not going to war to capture Mid-East
    oil but to remove it from the market. Parents, count your children…

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    "the infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up"

    They can build it but no one will come. Where are they going to get the oil? From the conquest of Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela?

    Fracking--minimum $80 per barrel to just beat breaking even.

    You know how much it costs for the oil and putting one barrel from well to ship in Kuwait?

    If what you say is true, the energy owners are as delusional as the rest. Did it ever occur to you what they are really after is the makings not of US oil dominance but a vast Finance Capitalist speculation scheme?

    Suckers.

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  143. Hibernian says:
    @Jason Liu
    Right-wing, nationalistic governments around the world should be supported by the Trump admin, even if they don't share geopolitical interests.

    The international , egalitarian left is a greater threat to the modern world. Trump should set US policy to attack and undermine domestic leftists as well as left-leaning governments like Canada, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

    Let’s invade Canada!

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  144. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    Alexander, are you a fraud?

    You don't have to go as far as Scranton to hear 'Merkins spewing this crap.

    Robin, I think alexander got it right. Of course, none can be sure, but that encounter “in the Dunkin Donuts!” thrown in for that authentic flavour, yet achieving only good comedic release, ["oh boy!"] sounds like utter BS.

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  145. @Dieter Heymann
    Trump will work cordially with your "left-leaning" governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue. Iran is a different kettle of fish but you can hardly call its government "left-leaning" or do you?

    “Trump will work cordially with your “left-leaning” governments if they can help him. In this respect he is not an ideologue”

    Like Cuba, jeje?

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  146. @Dieter Heymann
    If I am not mistaken, Prime Minister Netanyahu is against our government pulling out of the Iran agreement. If that is correct, how does that square with your analysis?

    Ah yes–what Netanyahu has been reported to have recommended to Señor Trump is, stay in and renegotiate, then strangle gradually.

    Which the obedient Señor Trump will surely try his best to do. Heil, Bibi, etc.

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  147. @Sam Shama
    Although it would've been poetic in an ironic way, only a fraud would equate Hama to Hamas. Update your reading between the imaginary bus runs, and try not to kill the children.

    Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.
    Hama not so much.

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    "Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers."

    Of course, Sam the Sham wants the dumb goys to think otherwise.

    That's why Israeli's aerial slaughter at Qana remains a complete mystery to Americans and is a "crime against humanity" which easily descended into the Zionist operated "Memory Hole."

    Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and are unaware about what's really going on in the world.

    Thank you... pax in terra.
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  148. Sam Shama says:
    @Dieter Heymann
    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic " Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East". I do not deny that it plays a role but it may not even be the most important one.
    The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
    It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
    There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.

    Great thought provoking post.

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  149. @Ivymike
    We the people couldn't stomach the very high casualties from an actual invasion of Iran, but I'm afraid most Americans would find a long and destructive air campaign against Iran even more satisfying than left over turkey and gravy. The infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up. War with Iran seems the perfect way to accomplish that. Thinking has to change, we're not going to war to capture Mid-East
    oil but to remove it from the market. Parents, count your children...

    “the infrastructure is being built in Texas and elsewhere to flood the world with American oil and gas once the price goes back up”

    They can build it but no one will come. Where are they going to get the oil? From the conquest of Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela?

    Fracking–minimum $80 per barrel to just beat breaking even.

    You know how much it costs for the oil and putting one barrel from well to ship in Kuwait?

    If what you say is true, the energy owners are as delusional as the rest. Did it ever occur to you what they are really after is the makings not of US oil dominance but a vast Finance Capitalist speculation scheme?

    Suckers.

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  150. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    I think you misunderstood my point: there is always a fear premium built into futures prices, in this instance due to Iran launch-testing missiles capable of reaching Tel-Aviv and the inevitable prospect of retaliation. However in 2008, Iran's output did not fall during that period and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.

    … and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.

    According to this ECB WORKING PAPER SERIES, NO 1371 / AUGUST 2011 report, entitled WHAT IS DRIVING OIL FUTURES PRICES? FUNDAMENTALS VERSUS SPECULATION, oil prices were driven by fundamentals. Trouble is, Sam, it is for the period 1992-2004. For the period we were discussing (2005-2011), however, speculation appears to have been the driver.

    A few relevant excerpts:

    Such relatively dramatic and unprecedented movements in oil prices have reignited interest into the question as to what drives oil prices. The recent academic and policy debate seems to put forward several possible factors however no consensus seems to arise as to the relative importance of these factors. In particular, there is no consensus as to the relative weight that should be attributed to speculation versus (i.e. supply and demand) fundamentals in driving oil prices.

    In this paper we analyse the relative importance of fundamental and speculation driven demand on oil futures price levels and volatility…

    In a next step in the paper, we empirically test the model by estimating a markov-switching model with time-varying transition probabilities. We estimate the model over the period January 1992 – April 2011. We find that for the earlier part of our sample (up to 2004) that fundamentals have been the key driving force behind oil price movements. Thereafter, trend chasing patterns [i.e., speculation] appear to be better in capturing the developments in oil futures markets.

    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecbwp1371.pdf?6cc825896854b9bbc6e10eaf06ef99e2

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    The last sentence tells it all: futures prices were subject to greater than usual speculative activity. Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals. I don't think you'd find any serious oilman deviating from this law. Just check out the many pronouncements of the Saudi ministers over the decades.

    Anyway believe what you want but the basic things do not change, which is precisely why prices came crashing in after the spring peak in 2008 whereas the build up to 2008 was long and sustained.
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  151. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    You've got the gist of my little post inverted; I only meant that you don't ever chafe with 'Jew-this 'or 'Jew that' in your writing, and therefore questioned where the identification with the 'Art's came from. Moreover, I don't need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME. It would quickly get rather boring.

    You’ve got the gist of my little post inverted;

    Just staying true to my Hellenic roots, Sam

    Moreover, I don’t need to compulsorily preface all my posts with lamentations about the strifes in the ME.

    You don’t need to preface all your posts, Sam… one will do. Given all the death and destruction, do you renounce the neocons’ project to remake the Middle East?

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  152. geokat62 says:
    @Dieter Heymann
    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic " Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East". I do not deny that it plays a role but it may not even be the most important one.
    The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
    It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
    There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.

    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic ” Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East”.

    So, let’s see if I’ve got this straight. The ventriloquist David Frum whose voice appeared to come from George W Bush when he uttered the infamous phrase “States like [Iran, Iraq, NK... convenient substitute for Syria, not to make things too obvious for The Dumb Goy] and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world,” was more concerned about keeping shipping lanes open than he was about enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle? These wars in MENA were not PNAC inspired as stipulated in their A Clean Break blueprint? It had nothing to do with AIPAC’s influence to grease the skids for war by getting Congress to pass legislation like the Iraq Liberation Act? We should not believe our lying eyes and instead we should believe you that this is all about Mare Liberatum? Do I have that right? I ask because, as one of The Dumb Goy, my mind is only capable of comprehending “simplistic” explanations and needs help grasping the “more complex” ones.

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  153. Miro23 says:
    @Dieter Heymann
    I hold that what was originally intended in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya is far more complex than the simplistic " Zionist/Israeli business in the Middle East". I do not deny that it plays a role but it may not even be the most important one.
    The anti-colonial uprisings in Asia and Africa have shifted the economic nexus from Europe-America towards Asia-Africa. The European-American powers must continue to try to maintain significant influence at the periphery of the Asian complex, especially in countries with ports on the Mediterranean, the Arabic Sea, and the Indian Oceans. That means at least no unfriendly and definitely no enemy nations in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan/Afghanistan, and India. Assad was becoming an enemy (of the US), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was questionable. Saddam Hussein was an enemy and so were the Taliban and the theocracy in Tehran.
    It is 516 years ago the the Dutchman Hugo de Groot published his revolutionary work "Mare Liberatum; Freedom of the Sea. That has remained a live issue. The government of the big trading nation which we are must keep its shipping lanes and foreign ports open. It must assume that unfriendly governments may try to interfere. I hold that these considerations have long played and still play a role in the policies of our government vs. the above-mentioned states and that would be the case even if Israel did not exist.
    There is one state in that series where our government cannot possibly bring about a regime change without a nuclear war: China. As I write this, China's ports are open for US merchant vessels hence no problem.

    The WMD story and 9/11 required considerable effort on the part of Zionists within the US administration and it wasn’t aimed at promoting “Freedom of the Sea”.

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  154. @Bill Jones
    Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.
    Hama not so much.

    “Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers.”

    Of course, Sam the Sham wants the dumb goys to think otherwise.

    That’s why Israeli’s aerial slaughter at Qana remains a complete mystery to Americans and is a “crime against humanity” which easily descended into the Zionist operated “Memory Hole.”

    Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.

    Thank you… pax in terra.

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    [Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.]

    Your confused prepositions were somewhat difficult to negotiate in that sentence but I got the gist; indeed I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Dunkin Donuts Radicals easily enough.

    Eat an extra one today.

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  155. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    ... and given the law of one price where futures converge to spot, the sustained price ascent was solely due to fundamental and structural factors.
     
    According to this ECB WORKING PAPER SERIES, NO 1371 / AUGUST 2011 report, entitled WHAT IS DRIVING OIL FUTURES PRICES? FUNDAMENTALS VERSUS SPECULATION, oil prices were driven by fundamentals. Trouble is, Sam, it is for the period 1992-2004. For the period we were discussing (2005-2011), however, speculation appears to have been the driver.

    A few relevant excerpts:

    Such relatively dramatic and unprecedented movements in oil prices have reignited interest into the question as to what drives oil prices. The recent academic and policy debate seems to put forward several possible factors however no consensus seems to arise as to the relative importance of these factors. In particular, there is no consensus as to the relative weight that should be attributed to speculation versus (i.e. supply and demand) fundamentals in driving oil prices.

    In this paper we analyse the relative importance of fundamental and speculation driven demand on oil futures price levels and volatility...

    In a next step in the paper, we empirically test the model by estimating a markov-switching model with time-varying transition probabilities. We estimate the model over the period January 1992 - April 2011. We find that for the earlier part of our sample (up to 2004) that fundamentals have been the key driving force behind oil price movements. Thereafter, trend chasing patterns [i.e., speculation] appear to be better in capturing the developments in oil futures markets.

    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecbwp1371.pdf?6cc825896854b9bbc6e10eaf06ef99e2
     

    The last sentence tells it all: futures prices were subject to greater than usual speculative activity. Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals. I don’t think you’d find any serious oilman deviating from this law. Just check out the many pronouncements of the Saudi ministers over the decades.

    Anyway believe what you want but the basic things do not change, which is precisely why prices came crashing in after the spring peak in 2008 whereas the build up to 2008 was long and sustained.

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    Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals.
     
    No argument there, Sam. So, I guess it comes down to this: what are crude oil trading volumes on the spot market vs the futures market?

    Care to hazard a guess?
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  156. Sam Shama says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Meanwhile, follow the money…

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/5559634

    As a further update, Mnuchin is thinking of very long maturity debt as a means to lock up funding:

    (Bloomberg) —
    Steven Mnuchin, President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for U.S. Treasury secretary, said he’ll explore issuing debt maturing in more than 30 years to cushion the effect of rising interest rates, signaling incoming officials may be open to ideas that the current administration has been unwilling to implement.

    “Interest rates are going to stay relatively low for the next couple of years,” Mnuchin said Wednesday in an interview on CNBC. Among other initiatives, “we’ll look at potentially extending the maturity of the debt, because eventually we are going to have higher interest rates, and that’s something that this country is going to need to deal with.”

    Asked if he would consider maturities as long as 50 years or 100 years, Mnuchin said: “We’ll take a look at everything.”

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  157. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "Yup, Hamas is a legitimate resistance organization against the crimes of foreign occupiers."

    Of course, Sam the Sham wants the dumb goys to think otherwise.

    That's why Israeli's aerial slaughter at Qana remains a complete mystery to Americans and is a "crime against humanity" which easily descended into the Zionist operated "Memory Hole."

    Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and are unaware about what's really going on in the world.

    Thank you... pax in terra.

    [Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.]

    Your confused prepositions were somewhat difficult to negotiate in that sentence but I got the gist; indeed I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Dunkin Donuts Radicals easily enough.

    Eat an extra one today.

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    "...The Dunkin' Donuts Radicals."

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    That's a very cool name you've invented! Be sure to contact your local Hasbara unit and alert them to be on the "look out" for donuts being offered to stragglers in exchange for their vow to write t0 their Congressman and demand support for the families of 9/11 victims' lawsuits.

    Seriously..., did you read in the Wall Street Journal where Dunkin' Donuts is negotiating a huge deal to open franchises throughout China?

    Maybe President Trump will (strategically) appoint Chris Christie as U.S. Ambassador to the Peoples Republic of China so that its 1.4 billion (thin) consumer population can have a simulcast example of how well a corpulent Zionist can put down a dozen of non-kosher "Boston Cremes" in one sitting.

    Thank you... X-tra pax in terra!
    , @Anon
    I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Donkin Donut Radicals easy enough.

    It would have been very helpful if you identify the We who will dispatch American Radicals Easy enough when the time comes.

    Since you haven't revealed the counter revolutionarys, I suspect the WE are members of the fifth column dual Israeli citizens in America. I suspect the WE are members of the international Zionist criminal terrorist network who were behind the King David Holtel false flag terrorist attack, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Iraq war and the 911 terrorist attack on Americans.

    See attached ..Israel did 911

    Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn't go so well.

    When the next nationalistic revolution comes, the Protocol's defense plan might not be able to pull the Chosen Internationalist's chestnuts out of the fire.

    Why? The corrupt Globalist's so called democracies are marching towards nationalism.

    Dunkin Donuts radicals are springing up all over the world. Nationalism is going global.


    In the mean time, give me a bagel with a smear..... Thank you.
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  158. TJM says:

    God I love this site, it is filled with truth tellers, who know dam well that behind most of America’s wars and troubles lie the Zionist Jew, period. It is also fun reading the comical “retorts from the hasbara trolls, who can’t actually argue based on the truth, but on lies and misdirection…Coincidentally quite similar to how the media and Zionist politicians argue, actually its not a coincidence at all, its collusion.

    US election:
    Jill Stein-Jew
    HR Clinton, Zionist filth to her core
    D. Trump, Zionist billionaire who made his money in NYC, need I say more…
    Ted Cruze-Zionist freak along with his wife
    Bernie Sanders-Jew (you have to love Sanders ROLE, he played the good guy, telling us all we wanted to hear, the pied piper, knowing he would not have to deliver on any of it.

    A population of less than 2% and yet our elections look like they running for PM of Israel. If you don’t see the reality of our subjugation than you are blind beyond measure.

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    Hey TJM,

    We have to be a little realistic here. There is no doubt that Jews have a disproportionate share in the power structure (and many of them are hard-core Zionists) - only the blind would argue otherwise. There are about as many of them as there are Korean Americans in the US - now if Koreans were as ensconced in the corridors of power as Jews currently are, it would obviously reflect in our foreign policy stances toward Korea and our commitments to East Asia. Same thing with Muslims or really any other minority - so I don't think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. With that in mind, is it reasonable to discuss whether it is a good idea for any minority to aggregate this much power? I think so, depending on the nature and substance of the discourse.

    Also, you are letting some of the other non-Jewish players off the hook. These include, but are not limited to:
    1) Military/security Industrial Complex - they need conflict (doesn't need to be in the ME - but it's as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
    2) Messianic Evangelicals - Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) - they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
    3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) - like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
    4) The state/bureaucracy in general - "War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense." Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
    Some long for the days of the Cold War.

    There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.

    Peace.

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  159. Talha says:
    @TJM
    God I love this site, it is filled with truth tellers, who know dam well that behind most of America's wars and troubles lie the Zionist Jew, period. It is also fun reading the comical "retorts from the hasbara trolls, who can't actually argue based on the truth, but on lies and misdirection...Coincidentally quite similar to how the media and Zionist politicians argue, actually its not a coincidence at all, its collusion.

    US election:
    Jill Stein-Jew
    HR Clinton, Zionist filth to her core
    D. Trump, Zionist billionaire who made his money in NYC, need I say more...
    Ted Cruze-Zionist freak along with his wife
    Bernie Sanders-Jew (you have to love Sanders ROLE, he played the good guy, telling us all we wanted to hear, the pied piper, knowing he would not have to deliver on any of it.

    A population of less than 2% and yet our elections look like they running for PM of Israel. If you don't see the reality of our subjugation than you are blind beyond measure.

    Hey TJM,

    We have to be a little realistic here. There is no doubt that Jews have a disproportionate share in the power structure (and many of them are hard-core Zionists) – only the blind would argue otherwise. There are about as many of them as there are Korean Americans in the US – now if Koreans were as ensconced in the corridors of power as Jews currently are, it would obviously reflect in our foreign policy stances toward Korea and our commitments to East Asia. Same thing with Muslims or really any other minority – so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. With that in mind, is it reasonable to discuss whether it is a good idea for any minority to aggregate this much power? I think so, depending on the nature and substance of the discourse.

    Also, you are letting some of the other non-Jewish players off the hook. These include, but are not limited to:
    1) Military/security Industrial Complex – they need conflict (doesn’t need to be in the ME – but it’s as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
    2) Messianic Evangelicals – Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) – they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
    3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) – like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
    4) The state/bureaucracy in general – “War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense.” Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
    Some long for the days of the Cold War.

    There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.

    Peace.

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    Well said, Talha. You are also a true gentleman. Thank you for your thoughts. I think we can agree that a case could be made that Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture. It's advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.
    , @Sam Shama
    [ so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. ]

    Hey Talha great comment.

    I don't have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?
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  160. @Sam Shama
    [Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.]

    Your confused prepositions were somewhat difficult to negotiate in that sentence but I got the gist; indeed I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Dunkin Donuts Radicals easily enough.

    Eat an extra one today.

    “…The Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals.”

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    That’s a very cool name you’ve invented! Be sure to contact your local Hasbara unit and alert them to be on the “look out” for donuts being offered to stragglers in exchange for their vow to write t0 their Congressman and demand support for the families of 9/11 victims’ lawsuits.

    Seriously…, did you read in the Wall Street Journal where Dunkin’ Donuts is negotiating a huge deal to open franchises throughout China?

    Maybe President Trump will (strategically) appoint Chris Christie as U.S. Ambassador to the Peoples Republic of China so that its 1.4 billion (thin) consumer population can have a simulcast example of how well a corpulent Zionist can put down a dozen of non-kosher “Boston Cremes” in one sitting.

    Thank you… X-tra pax in terra!

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    Hahaa.

    I am glad you keep gorging on those doughnuts, it speaks well of your taste; after all the company was founded by Willaim Rosenberg and just so you know all baked goods are generally kosher as long as they do not come in contact with treifot [there is an inside joke, which you will never be able to guess]

    One last word fraudster, Dunkin Donuts has been in China since Jan 2015....lol
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  161. Mark Green says: • Website
    @Talha
    Hey TJM,

    We have to be a little realistic here. There is no doubt that Jews have a disproportionate share in the power structure (and many of them are hard-core Zionists) - only the blind would argue otherwise. There are about as many of them as there are Korean Americans in the US - now if Koreans were as ensconced in the corridors of power as Jews currently are, it would obviously reflect in our foreign policy stances toward Korea and our commitments to East Asia. Same thing with Muslims or really any other minority - so I don't think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. With that in mind, is it reasonable to discuss whether it is a good idea for any minority to aggregate this much power? I think so, depending on the nature and substance of the discourse.

    Also, you are letting some of the other non-Jewish players off the hook. These include, but are not limited to:
    1) Military/security Industrial Complex - they need conflict (doesn't need to be in the ME - but it's as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
    2) Messianic Evangelicals - Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) - they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
    3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) - like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
    4) The state/bureaucracy in general - "War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense." Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
    Some long for the days of the Cold War.

    There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.

    Peace.

    Well said, Talha. You are also a true gentleman. Thank you for your thoughts. I think we can agree that a case could be made that Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture. It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.

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    [It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.]

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
    , @Talha
    Most welcome Mark,

    Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture
     
    It does seem that many of those controlling the entertainment industry are Zionist-aligned or proponents. You get some great indie documentaries about the issue, but that's about it.

    To be honest, I put a lot (and I mean the lion's share) of blame on the actions of the Muslims of a couple of generations ago. The Ottomans were not perfect by any means, but there was a unity and they generally kept the peace in that region and combated imperial incursions from France, Britain, etc. The Arab revolts and the intra-Muslim fratricide that followed (at the suggestion and collusion of French, British, etc. with all their promises) that broke up those areas into easily controlled franken-states was the major event (I believe the only exception being the Libyans; the Senussis staying loyal to the end). That is what laid the conditions that allowed the formation of the Zionist state in the first place - they simply took advantage of the situation.

    Jews had always been allowed to migrate into the Levant under Muslim rule (often being kicked out of Europe) and a good portion of that land was legally owned by Jews - no reason that would have stopped suddenly after a near 14 century-long policy. The Ottomans (and Muslims in general) were only opposed to ceding them sovereignty. Why wouldn't they be - they had spilled so much of their own blood wresting control of it from Byzantium and then the Latins and even Mongols over centuries.

    In hindsight, I cannot disagree with their prescience. The birth of the state of Israel (and all the events that followed) may yet turn out to be one of the worst disasters for the people of that area including the ancient Jewish communities that were scattered across the Middle East.

    Peace.

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  162. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "...The Dunkin' Donuts Radicals."

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    That's a very cool name you've invented! Be sure to contact your local Hasbara unit and alert them to be on the "look out" for donuts being offered to stragglers in exchange for their vow to write t0 their Congressman and demand support for the families of 9/11 victims' lawsuits.

    Seriously..., did you read in the Wall Street Journal where Dunkin' Donuts is negotiating a huge deal to open franchises throughout China?

    Maybe President Trump will (strategically) appoint Chris Christie as U.S. Ambassador to the Peoples Republic of China so that its 1.4 billion (thin) consumer population can have a simulcast example of how well a corpulent Zionist can put down a dozen of non-kosher "Boston Cremes" in one sitting.

    Thank you... X-tra pax in terra!

    Hahaa.

    I am glad you keep gorging on those doughnuts, it speaks well of your taste; after all the company was founded by Willaim Rosenberg and just so you know all baked goods are generally kosher as long as they do not come in contact with treifot [there is an inside joke, which you will never be able to guess]

    One last word fraudster, Dunkin Donuts has been in China since Jan 2015….lol

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  163. Sam Shama says:
    @Mark Green
    Well said, Talha. You are also a true gentleman. Thank you for your thoughts. I think we can agree that a case could be made that Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture. It's advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.

    [It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.]

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

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    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.” 

    Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·

    How am I doing geo?
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  164. “Talha… you are also a true gentleman.”

    Mark, I admire how you recognize the virtue of one’s being a “gentleman.” This makes me a tad ashamed to be stooping to the level of mockery when it comes to my addressing Sam Shama’s extraordinarily shady comments.

    One matter? As you know, “uniquely powerful” Zionist advocates did much more than “contaminate nearly every aspect of American culture.”

    They succeeded in contaminating the unified INTERNATIONAL political & scientific culture that was tasked with prohibiting Israel from getting nuclear weapons. This might be “old hat” for you, Mark, but please consider the article, below?

    http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb547-Kennedy-Dimona-and-the-Nuclear-Proliferation-Problem-1961-1962/

    Thank you.

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    Yes indeed, and every comment you make makes a mockery of some simple verifiable fact or another; in addition to dripping with jealousy.
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  165. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey TJM,

    We have to be a little realistic here. There is no doubt that Jews have a disproportionate share in the power structure (and many of them are hard-core Zionists) - only the blind would argue otherwise. There are about as many of them as there are Korean Americans in the US - now if Koreans were as ensconced in the corridors of power as Jews currently are, it would obviously reflect in our foreign policy stances toward Korea and our commitments to East Asia. Same thing with Muslims or really any other minority - so I don't think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. With that in mind, is it reasonable to discuss whether it is a good idea for any minority to aggregate this much power? I think so, depending on the nature and substance of the discourse.

    Also, you are letting some of the other non-Jewish players off the hook. These include, but are not limited to:
    1) Military/security Industrial Complex - they need conflict (doesn't need to be in the ME - but it's as good a place as any) to keep themselves bankrolled
    2) Messianic Evangelicals - Rapture folk are quite rabidly Zionist, but for completely different reasons (Armageddon, Kali Yuga, call it what you like) - they have the numbers to oppose Zionism or back it
    3) Foreign powers (non-Israeli) - like certain Gulf monarchies and others that also have their hands in the pockets of our politicians and use our military like hired mercenaries to keep the status quo in their favor
    4) The state/bureaucracy in general - "War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense." Randolph Bourne http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/
    Some long for the days of the Cold War.

    There are also Jews who wholeheartedly oppose Zionism, but are completely marginalized in the discourse.

    Peace.

    [ so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. ]

    Hey Talha great comment.

    I don’t have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?

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    Hey Sam,

    No problem - I think we have to be honest - if you replaced every Jew in government with, say someone from Indian/Hindu descent, that would obviously shift our foreign policy and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how it would change.

    I think Jews have reached their position through aptitude and work and probably a little help from tribal nepotism (once a certain threshold is reached) - again, is this unique to Jews - I doubt it. I am a manager for an IT team so I am part of the hiring process - none of the people working under me are Muslim, but if I get an open position, I let people that I know hear about it - and many of my contacts are naturally Muslim. I wouldn't hire an idiot Muslim on my team because I consider it a trust from my company on me to hire the best person for the job (if it's a lesbian Thai, so be it) - but Muslims would have a slight advantage just by being the first to hear about it. Jews have been known to be hard workers and intelligent among the Muslims. The Sultan Beyazid II who sent the Ottoman navy to help transport Jews (expelled from Spain) into Ottoman lands publicly stated that King Ferdinand was a fool to rid himself of such a useful group of people.

    And I doubt the Moroccan royals would keep Jews as senior advisers simply for SJW signalling purposes:
    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amity

    Nothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.

    Peace.

    , @jacques sheete

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work.
     
    Not so fast; I doubt it's that simple. I'd say that at a minimum it reflects cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism and probably a bit of sadism as well.
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  166. Talha says:
    @Mark Green
    Well said, Talha. You are also a true gentleman. Thank you for your thoughts. I think we can agree that a case could be made that Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture. It's advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.

    Most welcome Mark,

    Zionism has contaminated nearly every aspect of American culture

    It does seem that many of those controlling the entertainment industry are Zionist-aligned or proponents. You get some great indie documentaries about the issue, but that’s about it.

    To be honest, I put a lot (and I mean the lion’s share) of blame on the actions of the Muslims of a couple of generations ago. The Ottomans were not perfect by any means, but there was a unity and they generally kept the peace in that region and combated imperial incursions from France, Britain, etc. The Arab revolts and the intra-Muslim fratricide that followed (at the suggestion and collusion of French, British, etc. with all their promises) that broke up those areas into easily controlled franken-states was the major event (I believe the only exception being the Libyans; the Senussis staying loyal to the end). That is what laid the conditions that allowed the formation of the Zionist state in the first place – they simply took advantage of the situation.

    Jews had always been allowed to migrate into the Levant under Muslim rule (often being kicked out of Europe) and a good portion of that land was legally owned by Jews – no reason that would have stopped suddenly after a near 14 century-long policy. The Ottomans (and Muslims in general) were only opposed to ceding them sovereignty. Why wouldn’t they be – they had spilled so much of their own blood wresting control of it from Byzantium and then the Latins and even Mongols over centuries.

    In hindsight, I cannot disagree with their prescience. The birth of the state of Israel (and all the events that followed) may yet turn out to be one of the worst disasters for the people of that area including the ancient Jewish communities that were scattered across the Middle East.

    Peace.

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  167. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    [ so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. ]

    Hey Talha great comment.

    I don't have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?

    Hey Sam,

    No problem – I think we have to be honest – if you replaced every Jew in government with, say someone from Indian/Hindu descent, that would obviously shift our foreign policy and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how it would change.

    I think Jews have reached their position through aptitude and work and probably a little help from tribal nepotism (once a certain threshold is reached) – again, is this unique to Jews – I doubt it. I am a manager for an IT team so I am part of the hiring process – none of the people working under me are Muslim, but if I get an open position, I let people that I know hear about it – and many of my contacts are naturally Muslim. I wouldn’t hire an idiot Muslim on my team because I consider it a trust from my company on me to hire the best person for the job (if it’s a lesbian Thai, so be it) – but Muslims would have a slight advantage just by being the first to hear about it. Jews have been known to be hard workers and intelligent among the Muslims. The Sultan Beyazid II who sent the Ottoman navy to help transport Jews (expelled from Spain) into Ottoman lands publicly stated that King Ferdinand was a fool to rid himself of such a useful group of people.

    And I doubt the Moroccan royals would keep Jews as senior advisers simply for SJW signalling purposes:

    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amity

    Nothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,
    As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories.

    I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.

    P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition

    , @RobinG
    You and your little stories, Talha, and your benign example of letting your friends know about a job opening! You say, "....probably a little help from tribal nepotism..." Ha! Afraid to go past the obvious?

    How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov't. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it's just tribe or compliant goyem.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Talha,

    My experience in USA is that Anglo-Protestants (and Catholics) deliberately erect barriers to nepotism in their corporations and professional firms.

    Furthermore, Anglo-Protestants and Catholics view humility and self-abnegation as virtues; perhaps that is true also of Islam (I have no knowledge on those attitudes in Islam).

    It is my belief that Jews do not view humility and self-abnegation as virtues, but that some Jewish leaders have played upon those characteristics in non-Jews to gain advantages for Jews. The constant claims of "antisemitism" or that "Jews are smarter" or "harder working" or "perpetual victims" can only work if the group against whom the charges are leveled accepts the charge as real and true and humbly apologizes for such alleged behavior, whether real or illusory; or feels guilty about such real or illusory or contrived behavior, to the extent that the group that makes the bogus claim is able to extort benefits and privileges far beyond any that are merited.

    "Intelligence" and "hard work" are relative: when non-Jews constantly concede to Jews superior intelligence and superior capacity for hard work, etc., due not to the lesser innate intelligence and industriousness of non-Jews but to the learned attitude of non-Jews to view humility and self-abnegation as a virtue, then non-Jews perpetuate a vicious cycle that will only end badly for both non-Jews and Jews. On the other hand, when non-Jews or, Zeus forbid, Black persons or Hispanics -- or Italians -- demonstrate their individual and collective intelligence, or demand recognition of their contributions to the success of a nation or a project, and thereby resist being demeaned, then the gloves come off and the Sam Shamas of the world spew the invective we have come to expect from them. So predictable.

    Protestant and Catholic religious leaders enforce these attitudes of humility and ethnic inferiority in non-Jews, and as Sam Shama gave evidence, so do Jews: Sam could not resist the inclination to insult Italians -- could not pass up the opportunity to put an Italian in his place, which is, in Sam's weltanschauung, one-down.

    That's why I think your analysis in #167 is unfortunate and misguided: As Sam displayed in his response, he agrees with you -- that lets his tribe off the hook: the culpability is with Muslims, or Arabs, or Palestinians, but not with Jews. I think it's a cultural characteristic that should be understood and worked around, but not pandered to.

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  168. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "Talha... you are also a true gentleman."

    Mark, I admire how you recognize the virtue of one's being a "gentleman." This makes me a tad ashamed to be stooping to the level of mockery when it comes to my addressing Sam Shama's extraordinarily shady comments.

    One matter? As you know, "uniquely powerful" Zionist advocates did much more than "contaminate nearly every aspect of American culture."

    They succeeded in contaminating the unified INTERNATIONAL political & scientific culture that was tasked with prohibiting Israel from getting nuclear weapons. This might be "old hat" for you, Mark, but please consider the article, below?

    http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb547-Kennedy-Dimona-and-the-Nuclear-Proliferation-Problem-1961-1962/

    Thank you.

    Yes indeed, and every comment you make makes a mockery of some simple verifiable fact or another; in addition to dripping with jealousy.

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  169. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    No problem - I think we have to be honest - if you replaced every Jew in government with, say someone from Indian/Hindu descent, that would obviously shift our foreign policy and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how it would change.

    I think Jews have reached their position through aptitude and work and probably a little help from tribal nepotism (once a certain threshold is reached) - again, is this unique to Jews - I doubt it. I am a manager for an IT team so I am part of the hiring process - none of the people working under me are Muslim, but if I get an open position, I let people that I know hear about it - and many of my contacts are naturally Muslim. I wouldn't hire an idiot Muslim on my team because I consider it a trust from my company on me to hire the best person for the job (if it's a lesbian Thai, so be it) - but Muslims would have a slight advantage just by being the first to hear about it. Jews have been known to be hard workers and intelligent among the Muslims. The Sultan Beyazid II who sent the Ottoman navy to help transport Jews (expelled from Spain) into Ottoman lands publicly stated that King Ferdinand was a fool to rid himself of such a useful group of people.

    And I doubt the Moroccan royals would keep Jews as senior advisers simply for SJW signalling purposes:
    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amity

    Nothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,
    As usual, I’d expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Trouble in the ME – Israel being the epicentre – is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories.

    I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that – tough years ahead for all.

    P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay’s efforts are in the same great tradition

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    There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.
     
    Lol wut? 13% of the US population are blacks, a group that has repeatedly demonstrated inability to live with other groups everywhere they go. 15% of the US population are Hispanics, who hate white people and hate the United States itself. Then you have a whole bunch of smaller minority groups that also hate white people but at the same time don't really care for blacks and latinos either.
    , @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    I honestly don't know what the solution is, but it isn't what is currently going on. I will readily admit - some of the statements I have heard from Palestinians scare the hell out of me and I honestly pray to God that those people never take control of that land. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said it far better than I can:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xkfZfKXgU

    It is a blessed area, genocide and bloodshed are to be avoided there even more than other areas by all sides. Muslims were constantly reversing the bans that would be put on Jews from residing in Jerusalem whether it was the Byzantines, the Latins, etc.
    "It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to 'return' to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe 'learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey' and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, 'who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.' This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas."
    Israel's Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective

    Even if it comes to war (which I pray it doesn't), any attempt to reverse the policies of our predecessors (who were far more knowledgeable and pious than we are) and "rid the land of Jews" is utterly contemptible and should be denounced.

    What I can't stand - more than anything else from the rabid Zionists - is that they know this history. And yet many of them fund the foundations and are part of stoking the fires against Muslims and Islam with seriously vile lies. The strategy is reprehensible and extremely short-sighted and will only raise the animosity.

    Peace.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    Sam the Sham,

    Hollywood Jews also have a good relationship with Wall Street! Treasury nominee Steven Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs denizen, has made money by investing in the production of the blockbuster New World Order film, "An American Hero."

    I am very upset with you though! You blew "Dunkin' Donuts Radical" covert cover front. Oh hell. We infiltrated William Rosenberg's donut-operation on S. Washington Street and posed as something more than (goy) moving company personnel! Our Fearless Leader got such a good idea from how the dancing Israelis set up their "Urban Moving Systems" front operation in Weehawken, New Jersey.

    (Note: Regrets to all that the identity of "Fearless Leader" must remain secret One hint though? He's a former-Money Changer who fled from his high seat in the D.C. Temple which he once thought was actually American)

    Bah, thanks to you -- Sam the Sham -- now Dunkin' Donuts Radicals must find another front. Too bad, and to my knowledge, Carrier does not have a local donut consumption subsidiary. .
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  170. RobinG says:
    @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    No problem - I think we have to be honest - if you replaced every Jew in government with, say someone from Indian/Hindu descent, that would obviously shift our foreign policy and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how it would change.

    I think Jews have reached their position through aptitude and work and probably a little help from tribal nepotism (once a certain threshold is reached) - again, is this unique to Jews - I doubt it. I am a manager for an IT team so I am part of the hiring process - none of the people working under me are Muslim, but if I get an open position, I let people that I know hear about it - and many of my contacts are naturally Muslim. I wouldn't hire an idiot Muslim on my team because I consider it a trust from my company on me to hire the best person for the job (if it's a lesbian Thai, so be it) - but Muslims would have a slight advantage just by being the first to hear about it. Jews have been known to be hard workers and intelligent among the Muslims. The Sultan Beyazid II who sent the Ottoman navy to help transport Jews (expelled from Spain) into Ottoman lands publicly stated that King Ferdinand was a fool to rid himself of such a useful group of people.

    And I doubt the Moroccan royals would keep Jews as senior advisers simply for SJW signalling purposes:
    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amity

    Nothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.

    Peace.

    You and your little stories, Talha, and your benign example of letting your friends know about a job opening! You say, “….probably a little help from tribal nepotism…” Ha! Afraid to go past the obvious?

    How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov’t. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it’s just tribe or compliant goyem.

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    We all have our own little idiosyncratic tales, Robin; but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn't have expected to possess.

    Live and learn I suppose.
    , @Talha
    Hey RobinG,

    I'm sure that has happened. I know of a friend who is a radiologist that also mentioned that the tribe took over key positions in his hospital and made it hostile for others - I don't doubt that it happens in other places. And it likely happens more in government since government tends to be a magnet for narcissists and sociopaths - so obviously the Jews going into government are going to be the ones that tend to be the most Machiavellian. Many of the Muslims vying to get into government positions scare me as well*.

    There are some Jews that are absolute jerks while there are some Jews who are egalitarian, like the ones that hired me in previous positions and treated me quite well and quite fairly. I also know there were key Jewish doctors involved in founding and supporting an obviously Muslim-run charity clinic that I used to volunteer at in South Central (those are good friends of mine in that picture):
    http://www.ummaclinic.org/our-history/

    If I ask that people look past the idiot/extremist Muslims and distinguish the rest of us from them and ask them to look at Islamic doctrine objectively, then I have to return the favor to others - otherwise I am a hypocrite.
    "O you who believe, why do you say that which you do not do? Most odious in the sight of God is that you say that which you do not do." 61:2-3

    I have no love for Zionism or the disproportionate hold it has on the levers of power or how it uses my tax money to destroy the lives of innocents, yet I do want what is ultimately best and most just for all the people of that region.

    Peace.

    *"Two men from my tribe and I entered upon the Prophet. One of the two men said to the Prophet, 'O Allah's Apostle! Appoint me as a governor,' and so did the second. The Prophet said, 'We do not assign the authority of ruling to those who ask for it, nor to those who are keen to have it.'" - reported in Bukhari

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  171. @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories.

    I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.

    P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition

    There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Lol wut? 13% of the US population are blacks, a group that has repeatedly demonstrated inability to live with other groups everywhere they go. 15% of the US population are Hispanics, who hate white people and hate the United States itself. Then you have a whole bunch of smaller minority groups that also hate white people but at the same time don’t really care for blacks and latinos either.

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    Fine. What do you suggest?
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  172. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    You and your little stories, Talha, and your benign example of letting your friends know about a job opening! You say, "....probably a little help from tribal nepotism..." Ha! Afraid to go past the obvious?

    How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov't. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it's just tribe or compliant goyem.

    We all have our own little idiosyncratic tales, Robin; but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn’t have expected to possess.

    Live and learn I suppose.

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    but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn’t have expected to possess.
     
    Isn't that exactly what Talha did -- make unwarranted generalizations from particular instances -- in comment 168, so fulsomely endorsed by those whose feathers it stroked but which is, imho, misguided, poorly argued and counterproductive.
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  173. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories.

    I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.

    P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition

    Hey Sam,

    I honestly don’t know what the solution is, but it isn’t what is currently going on. I will readily admit – some of the statements I have heard from Palestinians scare the hell out of me and I honestly pray to God that those people never take control of that land. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said it far better than I can:

    It is a blessed area, genocide and bloodshed are to be avoided there even more than other areas by all sides. Muslims were constantly reversing the bans that would be put on Jews from residing in Jerusalem whether it was the Byzantines, the Latins, etc.
    “It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
    Israel’s Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective

    Even if it comes to war (which I pray it doesn’t), any attempt to reverse the policies of our predecessors (who were far more knowledgeable and pious than we are) and “rid the land of Jews” is utterly contemptible and should be denounced.

    What I can’t stand – more than anything else from the rabid Zionists – is that they know this history. And yet many of them fund the foundations and are part of stoking the fires against Muslims and Islam with seriously vile lies. The strategy is reprehensible and extremely short-sighted and will only raise the animosity.

    Peace.

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  174. Sam Shama says:
    @Greasy William

    There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.
     
    Lol wut? 13% of the US population are blacks, a group that has repeatedly demonstrated inability to live with other groups everywhere they go. 15% of the US population are Hispanics, who hate white people and hate the United States itself. Then you have a whole bunch of smaller minority groups that also hate white people but at the same time don't really care for blacks and latinos either.

    Fine. What do you suggest?

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    Jewish takeover and administration - it's Greasy - remember? ;)
    , @Greasy William

    Fine. What do you suggest?
     
    1. Complete destruction of the Hispanic ethnicity in the United States. Ban all immigration from Hispanic countries, ban all Hispanic media and ban bilingual education. Deport as many Hispanics as possible. Import more white people to reverse the demographic damage of the last 50 years.

    2. End all welfare to blacks except for free birth control. Get their numbers under 10% of the population. Jail or kill all of their leaders.

    3. End all other non white immigration
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  175. Talha says:
    @RobinG
    You and your little stories, Talha, and your benign example of letting your friends know about a job opening! You say, "....probably a little help from tribal nepotism..." Ha! Afraid to go past the obvious?

    How about conspiring to get a highly qualified Goy fired so they could bring in one of their own! Almost succeeded, but the Goy in question appealed to the commanding General of the gov't. intelligence agency in question and was reinstated. Not me, but yes, I have first hand knowledge of this. All they need is one in power position, then it's just tribe or compliant goyem.

    Hey RobinG,

    I’m sure that has happened. I know of a friend who is a radiologist that also mentioned that the tribe took over key positions in his hospital and made it hostile for others – I don’t doubt that it happens in other places. And it likely happens more in government since government tends to be a magnet for narcissists and sociopaths – so obviously the Jews going into government are going to be the ones that tend to be the most Machiavellian. Many of the Muslims vying to get into government positions scare me as well*.

    There are some Jews that are absolute jerks while there are some Jews who are egalitarian, like the ones that hired me in previous positions and treated me quite well and quite fairly. I also know there were key Jewish doctors involved in founding and supporting an obviously Muslim-run charity clinic that I used to volunteer at in South Central (those are good friends of mine in that picture):

    http://www.ummaclinic.org/our-history/

    If I ask that people look past the idiot/extremist Muslims and distinguish the rest of us from them and ask them to look at Islamic doctrine objectively, then I have to return the favor to others – otherwise I am a hypocrite.
    “O you who believe, why do you say that which you do not do? Most odious in the sight of God is that you say that which you do not do.” 61:2-3

    I have no love for Zionism or the disproportionate hold it has on the levers of power or how it uses my tax money to destroy the lives of innocents, yet I do want what is ultimately best and most just for all the people of that region.

    Peace.

    *”Two men from my tribe and I entered upon the Prophet. One of the two men said to the Prophet, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Appoint me as a governor,’ and so did the second. The Prophet said, ‘We do not assign the authority of ruling to those who ask for it, nor to those who are keen to have it.’” – reported in Bukhari

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  176. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    Fine. What do you suggest?

    Jewish takeover and administration – it’s Greasy – remember? ;)

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  177. @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    As usual, I'd expect nothing less than the clear insights you presented here. There need be no acrimony between various ethnicities and religions, anywhere, especially in the U.S.

    Trouble in the ME - Israel being the epicentre - is the result of extremist jews in the WB and a Pal population so poisoned in their minds over generations, that the possibilities I see are limited to Pals [ex-Gaza] fully embracing the Israeli ethos and citizenship with Israel compelled to accept the fair arrangement by the U.S. I lament the awful conditions that exist between Jew and Muslim, something which rarely every existed between us in our histories.

    I reckon something of that nature is in the works. Failing that - tough years ahead for all.

    P.S. Morocco and Jews have always had a singularly happy relationship, Moroccan kings having valued Jews, provided sanctuary time and again. So Andre Azoulay's efforts are in the same great tradition

    Sam the Sham,

    Hollywood Jews also have a good relationship with Wall Street! Treasury nominee Steven Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs denizen, has made money by investing in the production of the blockbuster New World Order film, “An American Hero.”

    I am very upset with you though! You blew “Dunkin’ Donuts Radical” covert cover front. Oh hell. We infiltrated William Rosenberg’s donut-operation on S. Washington Street and posed as something more than (goy) moving company personnel! Our Fearless Leader got such a good idea from how the dancing Israelis set up their “Urban Moving Systems” front operation in Weehawken, New Jersey.

    (Note: Regrets to all that the identity of “Fearless Leader” must remain secret One hint though? He’s a former-Money Changer who fled from his high seat in the D.C. Temple which he once thought was actually American)

    Bah, thanks to you — Sam the Sham — now Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals must find another front. Too bad, and to my knowledge, Carrier does not have a local donut consumption subsidiary. .

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  178. @Sam Shama
    Fine. What do you suggest?

    Fine. What do you suggest?

    1. Complete destruction of the Hispanic ethnicity in the United States. Ban all immigration from Hispanic countries, ban all Hispanic media and ban bilingual education. Deport as many Hispanics as possible. Import more white people to reverse the demographic damage of the last 50 years.

    2. End all welfare to blacks except for free birth control. Get their numbers under 10% of the population. Jail or kill all of their leaders.

    3. End all other non white immigration

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    Good ideas, Greasy Williams.

    I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.

    A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.

    As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.
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  179. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    [It’s advocates are uniquely powerful, extraordinarily unified and coordinated, cryptic, and incredibly devoted.]

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.” 

    Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·

    How am I doing geo?

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    I won't state the obvious except to say that I need to brush up on my rusty jewish cryptology :-)
    , @geokat62

    How am I doing geo?
     
    Not well.

    Here is Sam's original query:

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
     
    So Sam was calling into question Mark's assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.

    Let's just get it straight from the horse's mouth:

    “A lobby is like a night flower: it thrives in the dark and dies in the sun.” – STEVEN ROSEN, former foreign policy director, AIPAC
     
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  180. @Sam Shama
    We all have our own little idiosyncratic tales, Robin; but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn't have expected to possess.

    Live and learn I suppose.

    but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn’t have expected to possess.

    Isn’t that exactly what Talha did — make unwarranted generalizations from particular instances — in comment 168, so fulsomely endorsed by those whose feathers it stroked but which is, imho, misguided, poorly argued and counterproductive.

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    No, he assuredly did not. He spoke of his own principles which even under those fastidious standards unavoidably leads to minor biases, something which is plausible for any group at all. Robin's was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation - something which you'd be intimately familiar with.
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  181. @Greasy William

    Fine. What do you suggest?
     
    1. Complete destruction of the Hispanic ethnicity in the United States. Ban all immigration from Hispanic countries, ban all Hispanic media and ban bilingual education. Deport as many Hispanics as possible. Import more white people to reverse the demographic damage of the last 50 years.

    2. End all welfare to blacks except for free birth control. Get their numbers under 10% of the population. Jail or kill all of their leaders.

    3. End all other non white immigration

    Good ideas, Greasy Williams.

    I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.

    A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.

    As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump’s project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.

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    You don't need to get rid of American Jews, they are already getting rid of themselves. In 50 years there won't be any left. No need to make any special effort.

    I guess you'll have to find a new group to blame everything on.
    , @Sam Shama
    It'd be even better to extend them to the Italian mafia.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "Win-win."

    SolontoCroesus,

    Our Dunkins' Donuts Radicals (home study) Book-of-the-Month includes Orwell's Collection of Essays and Letters. Tonight I am on the essay titled "Catastrophic Gradualism." Following is what Orwell wrote:

    "The motives of those English intellectuals who support the Russian dictatorship are, I think, different from what they publicly admit, but it is logical to condone tyranny and massacre if one assumes that progress is inevitable."

    I assume you recall when Hillary spoke to Wall Street for quite a significant fee, and how after being embarrassed by Trump, she admitted to the political necessity of having both a public and private view point?

    Catastrophic crime in American government begets more catastrophic crime. One Zionist/U.S. president's crooked Treasury Department swamp is "drained" and is replaced by another. The "rigged" Wall Street Tower of Babel endlessly rises and falls, until -- SPLAT -- and the Forbidden City Tower of Babel opens for business.

    Such is "progress" for committed Zionists, and the only RETURN for average Americans is the non-regulated advisory to Carrier employees, "lift with your knees and not with your back!"

    LIES, LIES, and scoundrels keep running things. Alas, we're in for quite an Apprentice f#@ucking, SolontoCroessus.

    I appreciate your keeping faith though... Thank you.
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  182. @SolontoCroesus
    Good ideas, Greasy Williams.

    I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.

    A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.

    As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.

    You don’t need to get rid of American Jews, they are already getting rid of themselves. In 50 years there won’t be any left. No need to make any special effort.

    I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.

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    I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.
     
    Not I, Greasy; YOU will have to find a new group to blame everything on, inasmuch as Hispanics and Blacks will be eliminated from the American landscape. Your recommendation that they be eradicated from the USA implies that you believe that they they are the groups responsible for the present mess the USA is experiencing.

    (Just as an afterthought, mind you -- both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that "Jews are the new elites in USA." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
    Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.

    Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)
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  183. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    but to jump from a solitary instance [unverifaible, but I accept your account] to sweeping generalisations, takes an all too pedestrian talent which you of all people I wouldn’t have expected to possess.
     
    Isn't that exactly what Talha did -- make unwarranted generalizations from particular instances -- in comment 168, so fulsomely endorsed by those whose feathers it stroked but which is, imho, misguided, poorly argued and counterproductive.

    No, he assuredly did not. He spoke of his own principles which even under those fastidious standards unavoidably leads to minor biases, something which is plausible for any group at all. Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.

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    Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.
     
    "Solitary, specific" "unprofessional" only time it ever happened. Not an example of a broader phenomenon but a "solitary, specific, unprofessional" event.

    Stuart Levey did not pass along his job at Treasury to his former law partner, Daniel Cohen, when Levey left to take a position at HSBC?

    Goldman Sachs did not extend special favors to Marc Mezvinsky?

    Jane Harmon does not use her position as director of the Wilson Center to use taxpayer dollars to the (disproportionate) benefit of Jewish speakers and ideologues?

    Three more "solitary, specific" examples or more-or-less "unprofessional" behaviors that nevertheless gave to the Jewish collective benefits and advantages not enjoyed by the non-Jews who pay for them.

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  184. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Good ideas, Greasy Williams.

    I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.

    A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.

    As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.

    It’d be even better to extend them to the Italian mafia.

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    you just can't resist the cheap shot, can you, Sam.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    Hey Sam the Sham,

    Very interesting! Let's open up diplomatic relations?

    Do you happen to know what division of the "Italian mafia" Jacob Leon Rubinstein belonged to?

    Please let me know? Thank you.
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  185. @Greasy William
    You don't need to get rid of American Jews, they are already getting rid of themselves. In 50 years there won't be any left. No need to make any special effort.

    I guess you'll have to find a new group to blame everything on.

    I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.

    Not I, Greasy; YOU will have to find a new group to blame everything on, inasmuch as Hispanics and Blacks will be eliminated from the American landscape. Your recommendation that they be eradicated from the USA implies that you believe that they they are the groups responsible for the present mess the USA is experiencing.

    (Just as an afterthought, mind you — both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that “Jews are the new elites in USA.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
    Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.

    Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)

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    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I'm not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.

    2nd of all, I didn't advocate getting rid of blacks. I said that their numbers should be reduced to a more manageable level of ~8% of the population. We can't give the black community the attention it needs when it's numbers are so high.

    Thirdly, I advocated that Hispanics be assimilated into the white majority. Hispanic culture in America needs to be destroyed but the bulk of Hispanic Americans can be allowed to remain.

    Fourthly, unlike blacks and hispanics, American Jews are dying out. All I am advocating is that the government implement policies so that the same thing happens to blacks and latinos.
    , @Sam Shama
    Who are Phil Weiss and Jane Eisner and why should we know or care what they say?
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  186. @SolontoCroesus
    Good ideas, Greasy Williams.

    I think the same policies should be applied to all Jews.

    A few questions, tho: should the policies be applied to just 100% Jews, or should half-Jews or quarter-Jews (quadroons?) also be subject to limitation of their government benefits, including government employment, tax exemptions, etc.

    As for jailing or killing Jewish leaders, what a boon that would be to Trump's project of draining the swamp. American government and policy making could be returned to the American people. Win-win.

    “Win-win.”

    SolontoCroesus,

    Our Dunkins’ Donuts Radicals (home study) Book-of-the-Month includes Orwell’s Collection of Essays and Letters. Tonight I am on the essay titled “Catastrophic Gradualism.” Following is what Orwell wrote:

    “The motives of those English intellectuals who support the Russian dictatorship are, I think, different from what they publicly admit, but it is logical to condone tyranny and massacre if one assumes that progress is inevitable.”

    I assume you recall when Hillary spoke to Wall Street for quite a significant fee, and how after being embarrassed by Trump, she admitted to the political necessity of having both a public and private view point?

    Catastrophic crime in American government begets more catastrophic crime. One Zionist/U.S. president’s crooked Treasury Department swamp is “drained” and is replaced by another. The “rigged” Wall Street Tower of Babel endlessly rises and falls, until — SPLAT — and the Forbidden City Tower of Babel opens for business.

    Such is “progress” for committed Zionists, and the only RETURN for average Americans is the non-regulated advisory to Carrier employees, “lift with your knees and not with your back!”

    LIES, LIES, and scoundrels keep running things. Alas, we’re in for quite an Apprentice f#@ucking, SolontoCroessus.

    I appreciate your keeping faith though… Thank you.

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  187. @Sam Shama
    It'd be even better to extend them to the Italian mafia.

    you just can’t resist the cheap shot, can you, Sam.

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    Sorry you are right I should've resisted the urge; still, I think you'd cherish the utopia you mentioned at the end. Just give it a try
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  188. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    The last sentence tells it all: futures prices were subject to greater than usual speculative activity. Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals. I don't think you'd find any serious oilman deviating from this law. Just check out the many pronouncements of the Saudi ministers over the decades.

    Anyway believe what you want but the basic things do not change, which is precisely why prices came crashing in after the spring peak in 2008 whereas the build up to 2008 was long and sustained.

    Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals.

    No argument there, Sam. So, I guess it comes down to this: what are crude oil trading volumes on the spot market vs the futures market?

    Care to hazard a guess?

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    Futures volumes are in notional terms, which for all derivatives are typically multiples higher than the underlying index/commodity/stock. It's basically the nature of any contract which allows for speculation. However, speculation will never change fundamentals. Nothing to see there Geo.
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  189. @SolontoCroesus

    I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.
     
    Not I, Greasy; YOU will have to find a new group to blame everything on, inasmuch as Hispanics and Blacks will be eliminated from the American landscape. Your recommendation that they be eradicated from the USA implies that you believe that they they are the groups responsible for the present mess the USA is experiencing.

    (Just as an afterthought, mind you -- both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that "Jews are the new elites in USA." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
    Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.

    Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)

    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I’m not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.

    2nd of all, I didn’t advocate getting rid of blacks. I said that their numbers should be reduced to a more manageable level of ~8% of the population. We can’t give the black community the attention it needs when it’s numbers are so high.

    Thirdly, I advocated that Hispanics be assimilated into the white majority. Hispanic culture in America needs to be destroyed but the bulk of Hispanic Americans can be allowed to remain.

    Fourthly, unlike blacks and hispanics, American Jews are dying out. All I am advocating is that the government implement policies so that the same thing happens to blacks and latinos.

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    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I’m not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.
     
    That is just a fact.

    No it's not a fact.

    Name the Blacks or Hispanics who are bloating the defense budget, and embroiling USA in foreign wars, and making the decisions that have brought death and instability to millions in foreign countries.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who crafted the Affordable Care Act.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who struck down Glass-Steagal.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who devised the central banking system.
    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who run the Federal Reserve.

    ---
    Now, name the Jews who pick up your garbage in the back alley every week, and who plow the snow; who dig the ditches when the water main fails in freezing weather.
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  190. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.” 

    Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·

    How am I doing geo?

    I won’t state the obvious except to say that I need to brush up on my rusty jewish cryptology :-)

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  191. @Sam Shama
    It'd be even better to extend them to the Italian mafia.

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    Very interesting! Let’s open up diplomatic relations?

    Do you happen to know what division of the “Italian mafia” Jacob Leon Rubinstein belonged to?

    Please let me know? Thank you.

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    All jews as you know, have North Italian but likely not Sicilian genes. However, many of us don't favour Italian kitsch.
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  192. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    I would like a shot at answering this if it is okay. I think that the same logic is at work here that is at work when someone says, “Jews have been persecuted in many, many countries over many centuries. This should make it obvious to anyone that they are “up” to something and are bringing this persecution on themselves.” 

    Contaminated: synonyms: polluted · adulterated · defiled · debased · corrupted · tainted ·

    How am I doing geo?

    How am I doing geo?

    Not well.

    Here is Sam’s original query:

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?

    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    “A lobby is like a night flower: it thrives in the dark and dies in the sun.” – STEVEN ROSEN, former foreign policy director, AIPAC

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    Geo, correctly defined that flower should be classified as nocturnal and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen's statement - which you may have taken out of context. Or, did you decrypt his English? :-)
    , @iffen
    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.

    See how easy it is.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.
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  193. @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    No problem - I think we have to be honest - if you replaced every Jew in government with, say someone from Indian/Hindu descent, that would obviously shift our foreign policy and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how it would change.

    I think Jews have reached their position through aptitude and work and probably a little help from tribal nepotism (once a certain threshold is reached) - again, is this unique to Jews - I doubt it. I am a manager for an IT team so I am part of the hiring process - none of the people working under me are Muslim, but if I get an open position, I let people that I know hear about it - and many of my contacts are naturally Muslim. I wouldn't hire an idiot Muslim on my team because I consider it a trust from my company on me to hire the best person for the job (if it's a lesbian Thai, so be it) - but Muslims would have a slight advantage just by being the first to hear about it. Jews have been known to be hard workers and intelligent among the Muslims. The Sultan Beyazid II who sent the Ottoman navy to help transport Jews (expelled from Spain) into Ottoman lands publicly stated that King Ferdinand was a fool to rid himself of such a useful group of people.

    And I doubt the Moroccan royals would keep Jews as senior advisers simply for SJW signalling purposes:
    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/moroccan-kings-adviser-promotes-arab-jewish-amity

    Nothing is permanent, as you say, and the Koreans, Chinese, or Indians are up and coming. I think Jews have a distinct advantage because of the European phenotype and Western-sounding names. The other minorities just seem too exotic. But yes, if they drop the baton, someone else will be there to pick it up.

    Peace.

    Talha,

    My experience in USA is that Anglo-Protestants (and Catholics) deliberately erect barriers to nepotism in their corporations and professional firms.

    Furthermore, Anglo-Protestants and Catholics view humility and self-abnegation as virtues; perhaps that is true also of Islam (I have no knowledge on those attitudes in Islam).

    It is my belief that Jews do not view humility and self-abnegation as virtues, but that some Jewish leaders have played upon those characteristics in non-Jews to gain advantages for Jews. The constant claims of “antisemitism” or that “Jews are smarter” or “harder working” or “perpetual victims” can only work if the group against whom the charges are leveled accepts the charge as real and true and humbly apologizes for such alleged behavior, whether real or illusory; or feels guilty about such real or illusory or contrived behavior, to the extent that the group that makes the bogus claim is able to extort benefits and privileges far beyond any that are merited.

    “Intelligence” and “hard work” are relative: when non-Jews constantly concede to Jews superior intelligence and superior capacity for hard work, etc., due not to the lesser innate intelligence and industriousness of non-Jews but to the learned attitude of non-Jews to view humility and self-abnegation as a virtue, then non-Jews perpetuate a vicious cycle that will only end badly for both non-Jews and Jews. On the other hand, when non-Jews or, Zeus forbid, Black persons or Hispanics — or Italians — demonstrate their individual and collective intelligence, or demand recognition of their contributions to the success of a nation or a project, and thereby resist being demeaned, then the gloves come off and the Sam Shamas of the world spew the invective we have come to expect from them. So predictable.

    Protestant and Catholic religious leaders enforce these attitudes of humility and ethnic inferiority in non-Jews, and as Sam Shama gave evidence, so do Jews: Sam could not resist the inclination to insult Italians — could not pass up the opportunity to put an Italian in his place, which is, in Sam’s weltanschauung, one-down.

    That’s why I think your analysis in #167 is unfortunate and misguided: As Sam displayed in his response, he agrees with you — that lets his tribe off the hook: the culpability is with Muslims, or Arabs, or Palestinians, but not with Jews. I think it’s a cultural characteristic that should be understood and worked around, but not pandered to.

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    A post speckled with nonsense. In my recent reply to Talha - if you read it - I marked jews, the extremists, with the same denouncement I'd reserve for any and all miscreants irrespective of their ethnicity or religion. You simply, and as usual, chose to ignore my stand.

    Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.


    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?


    P.S. Have you tried your hand at writing plays in soliloquy form; It strikes me that you are just the type that enjoys talking to himself. :-)

    , @Talha
    Hey S2C,

    No doubt Anglo culture is quite unique in the world. Barring nepotism is best for all involved including those who bar it, otherwise your uncle convinces you to hire your idiot cousin who takes your firm down the toilet.

    Humility and self-abnegation are indeed Islamic virtues as is muhasaba (self-reflection/taking oneself to account - more on this later). I don't know enough about Jewish practice to know if your opinion is correct about them not having it.

    I am a Muslim having studied our history - my biases on this subject stem from that background. Muslims have an extensive history with Jews in their midst in three continents. This includes everything from Jewish communities in Spain, Persia, Morocco, Egypt, Levant, Yemen, India, Transoxiana, Southern Europe, Anatolia, etc. So you are right that it is difficult to generalize them as 'hard working' or 'intelligent' all the time. Depending on the time and region, one could find; Jews teaching sciences/medicine to Muslims (or learning from them), cornering the trade in supplying slaves, lending money to them (or being lent to), serving as government advisers, and even simply biding their time in squalor in isolated ghettoes without much going on.

    This is one of the best reads on the difference of experience between Ashkenazi Jews and the Jews of the Muslim world:
    "Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled....During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded."
    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

    "Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
    'In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological...It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.'"
    Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages

    Some may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
    "King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them...In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear."
    http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-p

    I think the problem is that Israel - is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook - it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.

    Muslims don't have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity - a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top - he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn't work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.

    I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn't have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip.

    And I don't think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic - now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that's a different story.

    As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
    "And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere." 8:45

    "O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?" 4:144

    This is where muhasaba comes in - one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.

    Peace.

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  194. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I guess you’ll have to find a new group to blame everything on.
     
    Not I, Greasy; YOU will have to find a new group to blame everything on, inasmuch as Hispanics and Blacks will be eliminated from the American landscape. Your recommendation that they be eradicated from the USA implies that you believe that they they are the groups responsible for the present mess the USA is experiencing.

    (Just as an afterthought, mind you -- both Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss and Jane Eisner have made repeated public statements that "Jews are the new elites in USA." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmyW8OHAUo
    Jews have more power and status than ever before in USA, claimed Eisner.

    Are we to assume, then, that but for Blacks and Hispanics, USA would be utopia under Jewish elite dominance?)

    Who are Phil Weiss and Jane Eisner and why should we know or care what they say?

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  195. @Sam Shama
    No, he assuredly did not. He spoke of his own principles which even under those fastidious standards unavoidably leads to minor biases, something which is plausible for any group at all. Robin's was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation - something which you'd be intimately familiar with.

    Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.

    “Solitary, specific” “unprofessional” only time it ever happened. Not an example of a broader phenomenon but a “solitary, specific, unprofessional” event.

    Stuart Levey did not pass along his job at Treasury to his former law partner, Daniel Cohen, when Levey left to take a position at HSBC?

    Goldman Sachs did not extend special favors to Marc Mezvinsky?

    Jane Harmon does not use her position as director of the Wilson Center to use taxpayer dollars to the (disproportionate) benefit of Jewish speakers and ideologues?

    Three more “solitary, specific” examples or more-or-less “unprofessional” behaviors that nevertheless gave to the Jewish collective benefits and advantages not enjoyed by the non-Jews who pay for them.

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    Jane Harman is a vile anti-American, anti-Christian Turkophile Armenian Genocide denialist filth.

    She is also a possible traitor to US: she was wiretapped by FBI/NSA trying to obstruct justice in the case of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman — two former top AIPAC officials charged with espionage.

    Unfortunately and inexplicably charges against Rosen and Weissman, which was carefully built over 5 years, were dropped.
    Strange.

    The fact Harman was appointed director of (Woodrow) Wilson Center is a sick joke: Wilson was a champion of indigenous peoples of Asia Minor subjugated and nearly exterminated during WW1 by nomad Turk invaders from Uyguristan.


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    {Franklin, a former United States Department of Defense employee, pleaded guilty to several espionage-related charges and was sentenced in January 2006 to nearly 13 years of prison, which was later reduced to ten months house arrest. Franklin passed information to AIPAC policy director Steven Rosen and AIPAC senior Iran analyst Keith Weissman, who later were fired by AIPAC. They were later indicted for illegally conspiring to gather and disclose classified national security information to Israel.} (from Wiki)
    , @Sam Shama
    Thomas J. Watson (1914–1956)
    Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
    T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
    Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
    John Opel (1981–1985)
    John F. Akers (1985–1993)
    Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
    Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
    Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)

    Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo's of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.
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  196. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    you just can't resist the cheap shot, can you, Sam.

    Sorry you are right I should’ve resisted the urge; still, I think you’d cherish the utopia you mentioned at the end. Just give it a try

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  197. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    How am I doing geo?
     
    Not well.

    Here is Sam's original query:

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
     
    So Sam was calling into question Mark's assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.

    Let's just get it straight from the horse's mouth:

    “A lobby is like a night flower: it thrives in the dark and dies in the sun.” – STEVEN ROSEN, former foreign policy director, AIPAC
     

    Geo, correctly defined that flower should be classified as nocturnal and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen’s statement – which you may have taken out of context. Or, did you decrypt his English? :-)

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    ... and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen’s statement
     
    I don't believe Mark's assertion was that organized Jewry speaks cryptically, Sam. His assertion was that they act cryptically... like a night flower, operating furtively in the shadows.
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  198. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Spot prices are driven always by settlement prices based on fundamentals.
     
    No argument there, Sam. So, I guess it comes down to this: what are crude oil trading volumes on the spot market vs the futures market?

    Care to hazard a guess?

    Futures volumes are in notional terms, which for all derivatives are typically multiples higher than the underlying index/commodity/stock. It’s basically the nature of any contract which allows for speculation. However, speculation will never change fundamentals. Nothing to see there Geo.

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    However, speculation will never change fundamentals.
     
    Speculation may not change fundamentals, but it sure does impact the price of crude oil futures... which are traded in the trillions of dollars.

    Plenty to see there, Sam.
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  199. @Greasy William
    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I'm not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.

    2nd of all, I didn't advocate getting rid of blacks. I said that their numbers should be reduced to a more manageable level of ~8% of the population. We can't give the black community the attention it needs when it's numbers are so high.

    Thirdly, I advocated that Hispanics be assimilated into the white majority. Hispanic culture in America needs to be destroyed but the bulk of Hispanic Americans can be allowed to remain.

    Fourthly, unlike blacks and hispanics, American Jews are dying out. All I am advocating is that the government implement policies so that the same thing happens to blacks and latinos.

    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I’m not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.

    That is just a fact.

    No it’s not a fact.

    Name the Blacks or Hispanics who are bloating the defense budget, and embroiling USA in foreign wars, and making the decisions that have brought death and instability to millions in foreign countries.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who crafted the Affordable Care Act.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who struck down Glass-Steagal.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who devised the central banking system.
    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who run the Federal Reserve.


    Now, name the Jews who pick up your garbage in the back alley every week, and who plow the snow; who dig the ditches when the water main fails in freezing weather.

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    In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people. Why? Because there were no hispanics and the blacks were kept under control.
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  200. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Talha,

    My experience in USA is that Anglo-Protestants (and Catholics) deliberately erect barriers to nepotism in their corporations and professional firms.

    Furthermore, Anglo-Protestants and Catholics view humility and self-abnegation as virtues; perhaps that is true also of Islam (I have no knowledge on those attitudes in Islam).

    It is my belief that Jews do not view humility and self-abnegation as virtues, but that some Jewish leaders have played upon those characteristics in non-Jews to gain advantages for Jews. The constant claims of "antisemitism" or that "Jews are smarter" or "harder working" or "perpetual victims" can only work if the group against whom the charges are leveled accepts the charge as real and true and humbly apologizes for such alleged behavior, whether real or illusory; or feels guilty about such real or illusory or contrived behavior, to the extent that the group that makes the bogus claim is able to extort benefits and privileges far beyond any that are merited.

    "Intelligence" and "hard work" are relative: when non-Jews constantly concede to Jews superior intelligence and superior capacity for hard work, etc., due not to the lesser innate intelligence and industriousness of non-Jews but to the learned attitude of non-Jews to view humility and self-abnegation as a virtue, then non-Jews perpetuate a vicious cycle that will only end badly for both non-Jews and Jews. On the other hand, when non-Jews or, Zeus forbid, Black persons or Hispanics -- or Italians -- demonstrate their individual and collective intelligence, or demand recognition of their contributions to the success of a nation or a project, and thereby resist being demeaned, then the gloves come off and the Sam Shamas of the world spew the invective we have come to expect from them. So predictable.

    Protestant and Catholic religious leaders enforce these attitudes of humility and ethnic inferiority in non-Jews, and as Sam Shama gave evidence, so do Jews: Sam could not resist the inclination to insult Italians -- could not pass up the opportunity to put an Italian in his place, which is, in Sam's weltanschauung, one-down.

    That's why I think your analysis in #167 is unfortunate and misguided: As Sam displayed in his response, he agrees with you -- that lets his tribe off the hook: the culpability is with Muslims, or Arabs, or Palestinians, but not with Jews. I think it's a cultural characteristic that should be understood and worked around, but not pandered to.

    A post speckled with nonsense. In my recent reply to Talha – if you read it – I marked jews, the extremists, with the same denouncement I’d reserve for any and all miscreants irrespective of their ethnicity or religion. You simply, and as usual, chose to ignore my stand.

    Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?

    P.S. Have you tried your hand at writing plays in soliloquy form; It strikes me that you are just the type that enjoys talking to himself. :-)

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    A post speckled with nonsense.
    . . .
    Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?
     

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?

    Padre Paul Gottfried

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYpapo4Q3CU

    He said it much more articulately than I did; is what Gottfried said "nonsense?"

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  201. @SolontoCroesus

    Well, first of all, if blacks or hispanics were to magically disappear the quality of life of real Americans would improve. That is just a fact. I’m not sure if you are actually disputing that or if you are just being self righteous.
     
    That is just a fact.

    No it's not a fact.

    Name the Blacks or Hispanics who are bloating the defense budget, and embroiling USA in foreign wars, and making the decisions that have brought death and instability to millions in foreign countries.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who crafted the Affordable Care Act.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who struck down Glass-Steagal.

    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who devised the central banking system.
    Name the Blacks and Hispanics who run the Federal Reserve.

    ---
    Now, name the Jews who pick up your garbage in the back alley every week, and who plow the snow; who dig the ditches when the water main fails in freezing weather.

    In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people. Why? Because there were no hispanics and the blacks were kept under control.

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    In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people.
    Why?

     

    Why?

    Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.
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  202. Avery says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.
     
    "Solitary, specific" "unprofessional" only time it ever happened. Not an example of a broader phenomenon but a "solitary, specific, unprofessional" event.

    Stuart Levey did not pass along his job at Treasury to his former law partner, Daniel Cohen, when Levey left to take a position at HSBC?

    Goldman Sachs did not extend special favors to Marc Mezvinsky?

    Jane Harmon does not use her position as director of the Wilson Center to use taxpayer dollars to the (disproportionate) benefit of Jewish speakers and ideologues?

    Three more "solitary, specific" examples or more-or-less "unprofessional" behaviors that nevertheless gave to the Jewish collective benefits and advantages not enjoyed by the non-Jews who pay for them.

    Jane Harman is a vile anti-American, anti-Christian Turkophile Armenian Genocide denialist filth.

    She is also a possible traitor to US: she was wiretapped by FBI/NSA trying to obstruct justice in the case of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman — two former top AIPAC officials charged with espionage.

    Unfortunately and inexplicably charges against Rosen and Weissman, which was carefully built over 5 years, were dropped.
    Strange.

    The fact Harman was appointed director of (Woodrow) Wilson Center is a sick joke: Wilson was a champion of indigenous peoples of Asia Minor subjugated and nearly exterminated during WW1 by nomad Turk invaders from Uyguristan.

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    {Franklin, a former United States Department of Defense employee, pleaded guilty to several espionage-related charges and was sentenced in January 2006 to nearly 13 years of prison, which was later reduced to ten months house arrest. Franklin passed information to AIPAC policy director Steven Rosen and AIPAC senior Iran analyst Keith Weissman, who later were fired by AIPAC. They were later indicted for illegally conspiring to gather and disclose classified national security information to Israel.} (from Wiki)

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  203. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Robin’s was a solitary, specific, example of gross unprofessional action, from which followed an overreaching generalisation – something which you’d be intimately familiar with.
     
    "Solitary, specific" "unprofessional" only time it ever happened. Not an example of a broader phenomenon but a "solitary, specific, unprofessional" event.

    Stuart Levey did not pass along his job at Treasury to his former law partner, Daniel Cohen, when Levey left to take a position at HSBC?

    Goldman Sachs did not extend special favors to Marc Mezvinsky?

    Jane Harmon does not use her position as director of the Wilson Center to use taxpayer dollars to the (disproportionate) benefit of Jewish speakers and ideologues?

    Three more "solitary, specific" examples or more-or-less "unprofessional" behaviors that nevertheless gave to the Jewish collective benefits and advantages not enjoyed by the non-Jews who pay for them.

    Thomas J. Watson (1914–1956)
    Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
    T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
    Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
    John Opel (1981–1985)
    John F. Akers (1985–1993)
    Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
    Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
    Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)

    Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo’s of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.

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    btw I am a huge fan of Ginny Rometty; she'd make a terrific POTUS
    , @SolontoCroesus
    What's your point?

    That non-Jews founded and continue to lead major American corporations that have contributed mightily to the advancement of US and world prosperity?

    Your Edwin Black has made a career out of smearing the names and reputations of such Americans and the corporations they formed, and using his slanders to extort large revenue streams to the Jewish community.
    Jewish Virtual Library published this bit of Black's attack on IBM
    (caution: Black's name should have been purple):


    Mankind barely noticed when the concept of massively organized information quietly emerged to become a means of social control, a weapon of war, and a roadmap for group destruction. The unique igniting event was the most fateful day of the last century, January 30, 1933, the day Adolf Hitler came to power. Hitler and his hatred of the Jews was the ironic driving force behind this intellectual turning point. But his quest was greatly enhanced and energized by the ingenuity and craving for profit of a single American company and its legendary, autocratic chairman. That company was International Business Machines, and its chairman was Thomas J. Watson.

    Der Führer's obsession with Jewish destruction was hardly original. There had been czars and tyrants before him. But for the first time in history, an anti-Semite had automation on his side. Hitler didn't do it alone. He had help.

    In the upside-down world of the Holocaust, dignified professionals were Hitler's advance troops. Police officials disregarded their duty in favor of protecting villains and persecuting victims. Lawyers perverted concepts of justice to create anti-Jewish laws. Doctors defiled the art of medicine to perpetrate ghastly experiments and even choose who was healthy enough to be worked to death-and who could be cost-effectively sent to the gas chamber. Scientists and engineers debased their higher calling to devise the instruments and rationales of destruction. And statisticians used their little known but powerful discipline to identify the victims, project and rationalize the benefits of their destruction, organize their persecution, and even audit the efficiency of genocide. Enter IBM and its overseas subsidiaries.

    Solipsistic and dazzled by its own swirling universe of technical possibilities, IBM was self-gripped by a special amoral corporate mantra: if it can be done, it should be done. To the blind technocrat, the means were more important than the ends. The destruction of the Jewish people became even less important because the invigorating nature of IBM's technical achievement was only heightened by the fantastical profits to be made at a time when bread lines stretched across the world.
    So how did it work?

    When Hitler came to power, a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews. To Nazis, Jews were not just those who practiced Judaism, but those of Jewish blood, regardless of their assimilation, intermarriage, religious activity, or even conversion to Christianity.
     

    Consider this single, solitary statement of Black's:

    "a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews.""

     

    In another of Black's turgid publications he quotes from Rabbi Stephen Wise's autobiography, that within 2 weeks of Hitler's appointment as chancellor, Louis Brandeis directed that
    "all . . . 587,000 Jews must leave Germany."

    And in his book on Nazism and zionism, Francis Nicosia details how zionists interacted with the Third Reich to assist German Jews to comply with Brandeis's directive. According to Nicosia:


    ". . .in 1936, British authorities had imposed stricter limits on Jewish immigration into Palestine. This posed a problem for the SD as it sought to step up the movement of Jews from Central Europe to Palestine in 1938 and 1939. In 1937, a group of . . .Haganah officials in Palestine created the Mossad le aliyah Bet (Committee for Illegal Immigration); . . .they operated in conjunction with Nazi authorities in the Greater German Reich.

    Mossad agents were assigned to Berlin and Vienna in 1938 . . . coordinating transports from Greater Germany . . . selecting Jews willing to leave via the illegal route, and generally cooperating with Nazi authorities . . . A former Mossad agent in Vienna .later characterized the attitude of German police authorities in Vienna as follows:

    In pre-war Germany, these operations were neither illegal nor secret. The Gestapo office directly across the street from our own knew exactly where we were and what we were doing. The illegality began only at the shores of Palestine with the British blockade. "
     

    Slam dunk: Black is lying when he writes that "A central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews."
    What else has Edwin Black (and his cohort of holocaust profiteers) lied about?


    If you want to demonstrate, convincingly, your willingness to "denounce extremist miscreants of whatever ethnicity or religion, including Jews," no better start could be made than to deploy the full power of Jewish media to debunk the holocaust narrative and recant the many vicious lies that Jewish authors such as Edwin Black (and David Engel, whose bizarre theories conflict with Black's but nevertheless are mainstream -- Engel's holocaust nonsense was the basis of the holocaust museum's reaction to Richard Spencer's conference) and the Jewish Virtual Library have published about Germany and the Third Reich.

    I'd bet my best soliloquy you won't do it.


    PS re "Your Jesus . . ." -- I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.

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  204. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Futures volumes are in notional terms, which for all derivatives are typically multiples higher than the underlying index/commodity/stock. It's basically the nature of any contract which allows for speculation. However, speculation will never change fundamentals. Nothing to see there Geo.

    However, speculation will never change fundamentals.

    Speculation may not change fundamentals, but it sure does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.

    Plenty to see there, Sam.

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    [does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.]

    You realise you simply agreed with me. Point is, spot coomodity crude depends on the fundamentals, and as I said earlier futures, which are derivatives trade in multiple of notionals of the underlying.

    Enough for me. Calling it a night.

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  205. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Geo, correctly defined that flower should be classified as nocturnal and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen's statement - which you may have taken out of context. Or, did you decrypt his English? :-)

    … and there was nothing coded about Steve Rosen’s statement

    I don’t believe Mark’s assertion was that organized Jewry speaks cryptically, Sam. His assertion was that they act cryptically… like a night flower, operating furtively in the shadows.

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  206. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama
    Thomas J. Watson (1914–1956)
    Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
    T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
    Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
    John Opel (1981–1985)
    John F. Akers (1985–1993)
    Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
    Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
    Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)

    Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo's of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.

    btw I am a huge fan of Ginny Rometty; she’d make a terrific POTUS

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  207. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    Hey Sam the Sham,

    Very interesting! Let's open up diplomatic relations?

    Do you happen to know what division of the "Italian mafia" Jacob Leon Rubinstein belonged to?

    Please let me know? Thank you.

    All jews as you know, have North Italian but likely not Sicilian genes. However, many of us don’t favour Italian kitsch.

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  208. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    However, speculation will never change fundamentals.
     
    Speculation may not change fundamentals, but it sure does impact the price of crude oil futures... which are traded in the trillions of dollars.

    Plenty to see there, Sam.

    [does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.]

    You realise you simply agreed with me. Point is, spot coomodity crude depends on the fundamentals, and as I said earlier futures, which are derivatives trade in multiple of notionals of the underlying.

    Enough for me. Calling it a night.

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    You realise you simply agreed with me.
     
    Sam, let's go back to what you initially wrote that sparked this exchange in the first place:

    "In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."

    If by the word "market" you meant only the physical component of the crude oil market, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

    Given this clarification and given the trading volumes associated with each of these components (physical and financial) of the crude oil market, would you agree that this reformulated statement:

    "In the context of Iran and the trillion dollar financial market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."

    is false?
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  209. Miro23 says:

    [ SolontoCroesus]

    Racial patronage is probably the most effective form of racism (in any society that will allow it).

    And A.H., the 20th century’s most prominent racist, gave a useful summary of how it works:

    “In the old Austria, nothing could be done without patronage. That’s partly explained by the fact that nine million Germans were in fact rulers, in virtue of an unwritten law, of fifty million non-Germans. This German ruling class took strict care that places should always be found for Germans. For them this was the only method of maintaining themselves in this privileged situation. The Balts of German origin behaved in the same way towards the Slav population.”
    Hitler’s Table Talk. Conversation Nº 109, 15th January 1942

    And an added kicker is the simultaneously proclamation of the need for societal “diversity” and “multiculturalism” which serves to breaks down unity among non-favored races.

    US Jews have heavily operate the system for years with prominent examples such as Elena Kagan (accelerated to the Supreme Court and once there, returning the favor), or Lawrence Summers, with parts of government such as the FED or Treasury becoming Jewish preserves, laughably badly constituted to defend the public against special interests.

    Most countries such as China, Japan or Israel don’t allow racial patronage (apart from their own), so they would never get a 2% minority of Anglo Christians dominating their financial sector, media and government and directing them to finance and fight England’s wars (although the British did manage this for a while with India, their richest Imperial possession).

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  210. @Greasy William
    In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people. Why? Because there were no hispanics and the blacks were kept under control.

    In the 1950s there were still Jews but America was paradise for white people.
    Why?

    Why?

    Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height.

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    "Because Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic institutions and education were at their height."

    Good point but it never gets any traction among Protestants. For support E. Michael Jones.
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  211. @Sam Shama
    Thomas J. Watson (1914–1956)
    Thomas J. Watson, Jr. (1956–1971)
    T. Vincent Learson (1971–1973)
    Frank T. Cary (1973–1981)
    John Opel (1981–1985)
    John F. Akers (1985–1993)
    Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. (1993–2002)
    Samuel J. Palmisano (2002–2011)
    Virginia M. Rometty (2012–)

    Spot a trend in the ethnicity/religion of the above list of ceo's of a major American company? I could give you many such lists, including the top posts in government.

    What’s your point?

    That non-Jews founded and continue to lead major American corporations that have contributed mightily to the advancement of US and world prosperity?

    Your Edwin Black has made a career out of smearing the names and reputations of such Americans and the corporations they formed, and using his slanders to extort large revenue streams to the Jewish community.
    Jewish Virtual Library published this bit of Black’s attack on IBM
    (caution: Black’s name should have been purple):

    Mankind barely noticed when the concept of massively organized information quietly emerged to become a means of social control, a weapon of war, and a roadmap for group destruction. The unique igniting event was the most fateful day of the last century, January 30, 1933, the day Adolf Hitler came to power. Hitler and his hatred of the Jews was the ironic driving force behind this intellectual turning point. But his quest was greatly enhanced and energized by the ingenuity and craving for profit of a single American company and its legendary, autocratic chairman. That company was International Business Machines, and its chairman was Thomas J. Watson.

    Der Führer’s obsession with Jewish destruction was hardly original. There had been czars and tyrants before him. But for the first time in history, an anti-Semite had automation on his side. Hitler didn’t do it alone. He had help.

    In the upside-down world of the Holocaust, dignified professionals were Hitler’s advance troops. Police officials disregarded their duty in favor of protecting villains and persecuting victims. Lawyers perverted concepts of justice to create anti-Jewish laws. Doctors defiled the art of medicine to perpetrate ghastly experiments and even choose who was healthy enough to be worked to death-and who could be cost-effectively sent to the gas chamber. Scientists and engineers debased their higher calling to devise the instruments and rationales of destruction. And statisticians used their little known but powerful discipline to identify the victims, project and rationalize the benefits of their destruction, organize their persecution, and even audit the efficiency of genocide. Enter IBM and its overseas subsidiaries.

    Solipsistic and dazzled by its own swirling universe of technical possibilities, IBM was self-gripped by a special amoral corporate mantra: if it can be done, it should be done. To the blind technocrat, the means were more important than the ends. The destruction of the Jewish people became even less important because the invigorating nature of IBM’s technical achievement was only heightened by the fantastical profits to be made at a time when bread lines stretched across the world.
    So how did it work?

    When Hitler came to power, a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany’s 600,000 Jews. To Nazis, Jews were not just those who practiced Judaism, but those of Jewish blood, regardless of their assimilation, intermarriage, religious activity, or even conversion to Christianity.

    Consider this single, solitary statement of Black’s:

    a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany’s 600,000 Jews.“”

    In another of Black’s turgid publications he quotes from Rabbi Stephen Wise’s autobiography, that within 2 weeks of Hitler’s appointment as chancellor, Louis Brandeis directed that
    “all . . . 587,000 Jews must leave Germany.”

    And in his book on Nazism and zionism, Francis Nicosia details how zionists interacted with the Third Reich to assist German Jews to comply with Brandeis’s directive. According to Nicosia:

    “. . .in 1936, British authorities had imposed stricter limits on Jewish immigration into Palestine. This posed a problem for the SD as it sought to step up the movement of Jews from Central Europe to Palestine in 1938 and 1939. In 1937, a group of . . .Haganah officials in Palestine created the Mossad le aliyah Bet (Committee for Illegal Immigration); . . .they operated in conjunction with Nazi authorities in the Greater German Reich.

    Mossad agents were assigned to Berlin and Vienna in 1938 . . . coordinating transports from Greater Germany . . . selecting Jews willing to leave via the illegal route, and generally cooperating with Nazi authorities . . . A former Mossad agent in Vienna .later characterized the attitude of German police authorities in Vienna as follows:

    In pre-war Germany, these operations were neither illegal nor secret. The Gestapo office directly across the street from our own knew exactly where we were and what we were doing. The illegality began only at the shores of Palestine with the British blockade.

    Slam dunk: Black is lying when he writes that “A central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany’s 600,000 Jews.”
    What else has Edwin Black (and his cohort of holocaust profiteers) lied about?

    If you want to demonstrate, convincingly, your willingness to “denounce extremist miscreants of whatever ethnicity or religion, including Jews,” no better start could be made than to deploy the full power of Jewish media to debunk the holocaust narrative and recant the many vicious lies that Jewish authors such as Edwin Black (and David Engel, whose bizarre theories conflict with Black’s but nevertheless are mainstream — Engel’s holocaust nonsense was the basis of the holocaust museum’s reaction to Richard Spencer’s conference) and the Jewish Virtual Library have published about Germany and the Third Reich.

    I’d bet my best soliloquy you won’t do it.

    PS re “Your Jesus . . .” — I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.

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    What’s your point?
     
    The very same as your own. Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society; and they don't require your, nor any other self-appointed door-keeper's approval to engage in the industry of their choice. So save your breath. Or not. Yours is a view which find's little purchase in this country.


    I’d bet my best soliloquy you won’t do it.

    PS re “Your Jesus . . .” — I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.
     
    Yes, I am not in the mood for your bait, but not for the reasons you imagine. Another time [I am reading up on German armaments build-up history during the inter-war period]
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  212. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Shama
    [Poor Sam the Sham tucks in, peacefully sleeps, and dreams that only a handful of (nationalist inspired & worker) goys have read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and are unaware about what’s really going on in the world.]

    Your confused prepositions were somewhat difficult to negotiate in that sentence but I got the gist; indeed I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Dunkin Donuts Radicals easily enough.

    Eat an extra one today.

    I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Donkin Donut Radicals easy enough.

    It would have been very helpful if you identify the We who will dispatch American Radicals Easy enough when the time comes.

    Since you haven’t revealed the counter revolutionarys, I suspect the WE are members of the fifth column dual Israeli citizens in America. I suspect the WE are members of the international Zionist criminal terrorist network who were behind the King David Holtel false flag terrorist attack, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Iraq war and the 911 terrorist attack on Americans.

    See attached ..Israel did 911

    Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.

    When the next nationalistic revolution comes, the Protocol’s defense plan might not be able to pull the Chosen Internationalist’s chestnuts out of the fire.

    Why? The corrupt Globalist’s so called democracies are marching towards nationalism.

    Dunkin Donuts radicals are springing up all over the world. Nationalism is going global.

    In the mean time, give me a bagel with a smear….. Thank you.

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    [Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.]

    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic 'forewarnings': the year is 2016.
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  213. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    [does impact the price of crude oil futures… which are traded in the trillions of dollars.]

    You realise you simply agreed with me. Point is, spot coomodity crude depends on the fundamentals, and as I said earlier futures, which are derivatives trade in multiple of notionals of the underlying.

    Enough for me. Calling it a night.

    You realise you simply agreed with me.

    Sam, let’s go back to what you initially wrote that sparked this exchange in the first place:

    “In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”

    If by the word “market” you meant only the physical component of the crude oil market, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

    Given this clarification and given the trading volumes associated with each of these components (physical and financial) of the crude oil market, would you agree that this reformulated statement:

    “In the context of Iran and the trillion dollar financial market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best.”

    is false?

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    futures = f[spot]

    not the other way round and Iran's actual output did not decline but in fact rose and the speculative futures bubble when it met the global spot production fell precipitously after the spring.

    Speculators speculate for all sorts of reasons, including the prospect of war. As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road......all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.
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  214. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    How am I doing geo?
     
    Not well.

    Here is Sam's original query:

    How do you know all this, especially if they are cryptic; or is it just a gut feeling?
     
    So Sam was calling into question Mark's assertion that organized Jewry operates cryptically.

    Let's just get it straight from the horse's mouth:

    “A lobby is like a night flower: it thrives in the dark and dies in the sun.” – STEVEN ROSEN, former foreign policy director, AIPAC
     

    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn’t questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark’s use of the word contaminate.

    See how easy it is.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam’s a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn’t be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can’t be the explanation.

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he’s sworn in.

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    Hi Iffen,
    Actually, Geokat hasn't found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green's mind. Even if he had:

    cryptic != nocturnal
    , @geokat62

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn’t questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic.
     
    Oh, excuse me iffen for I'm just a Dumb Goy. So Sam was just interested in how Mark knew Jews were cryptic, not whether they were, in fact, cryptic.

    The ironic thing is is that my response answered this question as well - i.e., Mark knew that Jews were cryptic because Steve Rosen disclosed this information when he admitted that a lobby is like a night flower. All Mark and I had to do was an Internet search... and this mystery was solved.

    See how easy it is?

    , @geokat62

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he’s sworn in.
     
    For a supposed 7th generation anchor baby you sure do care about the status of a foreign city a whole lot... are you sure you're not a closet Christian Zionist or something?
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  215. @Sam Shama
    A post speckled with nonsense. In my recent reply to Talha - if you read it - I marked jews, the extremists, with the same denouncement I'd reserve for any and all miscreants irrespective of their ethnicity or religion. You simply, and as usual, chose to ignore my stand.

    Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.


    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?


    P.S. Have you tried your hand at writing plays in soliloquy form; It strikes me that you are just the type that enjoys talking to himself. :-)

    A post speckled with nonsense.
    . . .
    Furthermore, a little less of the self-abnegation and virtuousness would actually help to conceal the inherent puffery in your proclamation. LOL. What was it that your Jesus said about pseudo-humility? I forget.

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?

    Which TV Padre were you thinking of when you were doing the humble clarion call ?

    Padre Paul Gottfried

    He said it much more articulately than I did; is what Gottfried said “nonsense?”

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  216. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    What's your point?

    That non-Jews founded and continue to lead major American corporations that have contributed mightily to the advancement of US and world prosperity?

    Your Edwin Black has made a career out of smearing the names and reputations of such Americans and the corporations they formed, and using his slanders to extort large revenue streams to the Jewish community.
    Jewish Virtual Library published this bit of Black's attack on IBM
    (caution: Black's name should have been purple):


    Mankind barely noticed when the concept of massively organized information quietly emerged to become a means of social control, a weapon of war, and a roadmap for group destruction. The unique igniting event was the most fateful day of the last century, January 30, 1933, the day Adolf Hitler came to power. Hitler and his hatred of the Jews was the ironic driving force behind this intellectual turning point. But his quest was greatly enhanced and energized by the ingenuity and craving for profit of a single American company and its legendary, autocratic chairman. That company was International Business Machines, and its chairman was Thomas J. Watson.

    Der Führer's obsession with Jewish destruction was hardly original. There had been czars and tyrants before him. But for the first time in history, an anti-Semite had automation on his side. Hitler didn't do it alone. He had help.

    In the upside-down world of the Holocaust, dignified professionals were Hitler's advance troops. Police officials disregarded their duty in favor of protecting villains and persecuting victims. Lawyers perverted concepts of justice to create anti-Jewish laws. Doctors defiled the art of medicine to perpetrate ghastly experiments and even choose who was healthy enough to be worked to death-and who could be cost-effectively sent to the gas chamber. Scientists and engineers debased their higher calling to devise the instruments and rationales of destruction. And statisticians used their little known but powerful discipline to identify the victims, project and rationalize the benefits of their destruction, organize their persecution, and even audit the efficiency of genocide. Enter IBM and its overseas subsidiaries.

    Solipsistic and dazzled by its own swirling universe of technical possibilities, IBM was self-gripped by a special amoral corporate mantra: if it can be done, it should be done. To the blind technocrat, the means were more important than the ends. The destruction of the Jewish people became even less important because the invigorating nature of IBM's technical achievement was only heightened by the fantastical profits to be made at a time when bread lines stretched across the world.
    So how did it work?

    When Hitler came to power, a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews. To Nazis, Jews were not just those who practiced Judaism, but those of Jewish blood, regardless of their assimilation, intermarriage, religious activity, or even conversion to Christianity.
     

    Consider this single, solitary statement of Black's:

    "a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews.""

     

    In another of Black's turgid publications he quotes from Rabbi Stephen Wise's autobiography, that within 2 weeks of Hitler's appointment as chancellor, Louis Brandeis directed that
    "all . . . 587,000 Jews must leave Germany."

    And in his book on Nazism and zionism, Francis Nicosia details how zionists interacted with the Third Reich to assist German Jews to comply with Brandeis's directive. According to Nicosia:


    ". . .in 1936, British authorities had imposed stricter limits on Jewish immigration into Palestine. This posed a problem for the SD as it sought to step up the movement of Jews from Central Europe to Palestine in 1938 and 1939. In 1937, a group of . . .Haganah officials in Palestine created the Mossad le aliyah Bet (Committee for Illegal Immigration); . . .they operated in conjunction with Nazi authorities in the Greater German Reich.

    Mossad agents were assigned to Berlin and Vienna in 1938 . . . coordinating transports from Greater Germany . . . selecting Jews willing to leave via the illegal route, and generally cooperating with Nazi authorities . . . A former Mossad agent in Vienna .later characterized the attitude of German police authorities in Vienna as follows:

    In pre-war Germany, these operations were neither illegal nor secret. The Gestapo office directly across the street from our own knew exactly where we were and what we were doing. The illegality began only at the shores of Palestine with the British blockade. "
     

    Slam dunk: Black is lying when he writes that "A central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews."
    What else has Edwin Black (and his cohort of holocaust profiteers) lied about?


    If you want to demonstrate, convincingly, your willingness to "denounce extremist miscreants of whatever ethnicity or religion, including Jews," no better start could be made than to deploy the full power of Jewish media to debunk the holocaust narrative and recant the many vicious lies that Jewish authors such as Edwin Black (and David Engel, whose bizarre theories conflict with Black's but nevertheless are mainstream -- Engel's holocaust nonsense was the basis of the holocaust museum's reaction to Richard Spencer's conference) and the Jewish Virtual Library have published about Germany and the Third Reich.

    I'd bet my best soliloquy you won't do it.


    PS re "Your Jesus . . ." -- I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.

    What’s your point?

    The very same as your own. Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society; and they don’t require your, nor any other self-appointed door-keeper’s approval to engage in the industry of their choice. So save your breath. Or not. Yours is a view which find’s little purchase in this country.

    I’d bet my best soliloquy you won’t do it.

    PS re “Your Jesus . . .” — I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.

    Yes, I am not in the mood for your bait, but not for the reasons you imagine. Another time [I am reading up on German armaments build-up history during the inter-war period]

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    Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society;
     
    re the bolded statement: I don't think that tells the whole story; Yuri Slezkine fills in some of the gaps in your version; Slezkine suggests that Jews, as outsiders, gain advantages in the larger societies by trickery and treachery.

    If merely "work, aptitude and qualifications" were the main forces that Jews brought to a given society, and if, as Jerry Muller claims in his books and lectures on how Jews invented capitalism and thrive in the capitalist system, then how does one explain that in the age of industrialization and capitalism in which Germany excelled and prospered, Poland, which was home to the largest contingent of Jews in the world, was a social and economic failure, to the point that Polish Jews fled to Germany to take advantage of the opportunities offered by German industrialization, universities, and prosperity?

    Why didn't "Jewish work, aptitude and qualifications" create the same level of social and economic development in Poland as the German people did in Germany? There were far more Jews in Poland, for almost as long a period as Jews in Germany, and from the very beginning of their sojourn in Poland, Jews in Poland enjoyed dominant positions in the professions, finance, and access to the governing authorities.
    Yet, as Prof. Robert Weiner argues in his lectures on "The Long 19th Century," Poland was unprepared to participate in the industrial and democratizing revolutions emerging in Britain and Germany.

    The inavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state, developed by non-Jews, as to "Jewish work, aptitude, and qualifications."

    In Muller's lectures he explains that "Jews see or create opportunities to engage in entrepreneurial activities, and Jews have the ability to recognize when an enterprise (or state) is failing, whereupon Jews abandon the enterprise, cut their losses and move on to greener pastures."

    In other words, unlike Iranians or Germans, for example, the extended commitment of Jews is not to the land, or to the people and culture, but to the opportunity to take advantage of pre-existing institutions and resources to develop economic/financial benefits for the Jewish community, sometimes to the detriment of, or by exploiting, the native people and culture. When the natives resist Jewish exploitation of their institutions, Jews punish them economically or by extreme violence. When opportunities dry up or a given host country is played out, Jews leave for more fruitful arenas. Jews left Germany in Exodus-style: they stole treasure, destroyed leadership, destroyed the heritage, and destroyed the next generation of the German people. Jews maintain tight control over the cognitive map of the German people through psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda.

    Why shouldn't the American people be concerned that a similar behavior will be carried out against them and their culture and economy, and isn't it the obligation of the government of the American people to defend against such threats to their long-term viability?

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  217. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.

    See how easy it is.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.

    Hi Iffen,
    Actually, Geokat hasn’t found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green’s mind. Even if he had:

    cryptic != nocturnal

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    cryptic != nocturnal
     
    While these terms may not be equal, they are related:

    cryptic = early 17th century: from late Latin crypticus, from Greek kruptikos, from kruptos ‘hidden.’ .

    nocturnal = from Latin nocturnus "belonging to the night," from nox (genitive noctis) "night," cognate with Old English neaht (see night) + -urnus, suffix forming adjectives of time. Nox cognates include Ancient Greek νύξ ‎(núx), Sanskrit नक्ति ‎(nákti), Old English niht (English night) and Proto-Slavic *noťь.

    Cryptic means something that is hidden... and it is usually easy to hide things in the dark (nocturnal).


    Geokat hasn’t found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green’s mind.
     
    See my response to iffen (#233 or later) for the relevant thing I found. And I didn't need to be a mind reader to do it.
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  218. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    You realise you simply agreed with me.
     
    Sam, let's go back to what you initially wrote that sparked this exchange in the first place:

    "In the context of Iran and the market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."

    If by the word "market" you meant only the physical component of the crude oil market, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

    Given this clarification and given the trading volumes associated with each of these components (physical and financial) of the crude oil market, would you agree that this reformulated statement:

    "In the context of Iran and the trillion dollar financial market for crude, a connection to Israel is moot at best."

    is false?

    futures = f[spot]

    not the other way round and Iran’s actual output did not decline but in fact rose and the speculative futures bubble when it met the global spot production fell precipitously after the spring.

    Speculators speculate for all sorts of reasons, including the prospect of war. As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road……all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.

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    As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road……all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.
     
    It appears we've come full-circle, Sam:

    George Bush ordered the Pentagon to plan an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and considered a covert attack on Syria, the former president reveals in his memoirs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/08/george-bush-memoir-decision-points?0p19G=c
     
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  219. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon
    I sleep rather well, secure in the knowledge that we shall be able to deal with the Donkin Donut Radicals easy enough.

    It would have been very helpful if you identify the We who will dispatch American Radicals Easy enough when the time comes.

    Since you haven't revealed the counter revolutionarys, I suspect the WE are members of the fifth column dual Israeli citizens in America. I suspect the WE are members of the international Zionist criminal terrorist network who were behind the King David Holtel false flag terrorist attack, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Iraq war and the 911 terrorist attack on Americans.

    See attached ..Israel did 911

    Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn't go so well.

    When the next nationalistic revolution comes, the Protocol's defense plan might not be able to pull the Chosen Internationalist's chestnuts out of the fire.

    Why? The corrupt Globalist's so called democracies are marching towards nationalism.

    Dunkin Donuts radicals are springing up all over the world. Nationalism is going global.


    In the mean time, give me a bagel with a smear..... Thank you.

    [Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.]

    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: the year is 2016.

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    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: the year is 2016.
     
    And yet by dint of hard work, organizational effort, and persistence, the NSDAP did come to power, and did move the German people from a demoralized and impoverished state of mass unemployment and political and economic chaos to one of social stability and full employment, without resort to violence.

    FDR was not about to achieve the same goals short of war.

    The mystery is why Jewish leaders felt that German prosperity and stability were a threat to them, to the point that from the very earliest days of the Hitler revolution , Jews set out to undermine the success of the German political and economic recovery.
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  220. @Sam Shama

    What’s your point?
     
    The very same as your own. Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society; and they don't require your, nor any other self-appointed door-keeper's approval to engage in the industry of their choice. So save your breath. Or not. Yours is a view which find's little purchase in this country.


    I’d bet my best soliloquy you won’t do it.

    PS re “Your Jesus . . .” — I gladly join Thomas Jefferson and claim Jesus as mine; you get to claim Edwin Black and David Engel, not to mention Benji Netanyahu, self-proclaimed leader of all Jews, as Yours.
     
    Yes, I am not in the mood for your bait, but not for the reasons you imagine. Another time [I am reading up on German armaments build-up history during the inter-war period]

    Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society;

    re the bolded statement: I don’t think that tells the whole story; Yuri Slezkine fills in some of the gaps in your version; Slezkine suggests that Jews, as outsiders, gain advantages in the larger societies by trickery and treachery.

    If merely “work, aptitude and qualifications” were the main forces that Jews brought to a given society, and if, as Jerry Muller claims in his books and lectures on how Jews invented capitalism and thrive in the capitalist system, then how does one explain that in the age of industrialization and capitalism in which Germany excelled and prospered, Poland, which was home to the largest contingent of Jews in the world, was a social and economic failure, to the point that Polish Jews fled to Germany to take advantage of the opportunities offered by German industrialization, universities, and prosperity?

    Why didn’t “Jewish work, aptitude and qualifications” create the same level of social and economic development in Poland as the German people did in Germany? There were far more Jews in Poland, for almost as long a period as Jews in Germany, and from the very beginning of their sojourn in Poland, Jews in Poland enjoyed dominant positions in the professions, finance, and access to the governing authorities.
    Yet, as Prof. Robert Weiner argues in his lectures on “The Long 19th Century,” Poland was unprepared to participate in the industrial and democratizing revolutions emerging in Britain and Germany.

    The inavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state, developed by non-Jews, as to “Jewish work, aptitude, and qualifications.”

    In Muller’s lectures he explains that “Jews see or create opportunities to engage in entrepreneurial activities, and Jews have the ability to recognize when an enterprise (or state) is failing, whereupon Jews abandon the enterprise, cut their losses and move on to greener pastures.”

    In other words, unlike Iranians or Germans, for example, the extended commitment of Jews is not to the land, or to the people and culture, but to the opportunity to take advantage of pre-existing institutions and resources to develop economic/financial benefits for the Jewish community, sometimes to the detriment of, or by exploiting, the native people and culture. When the natives resist Jewish exploitation of their institutions, Jews punish them economically or by extreme violence. When opportunities dry up or a given host country is played out, Jews leave for more fruitful arenas. Jews left Germany in Exodus-style: they stole treasure, destroyed leadership, destroyed the heritage, and destroyed the next generation of the German people. Jews maintain tight control over the cognitive map of the German people through psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda.

    Why shouldn’t the American people be concerned that a similar behavior will be carried out against them and their culture and economy, and isn’t it the obligation of the government of the American people to defend against such threats to their long-term viability?

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    "The unavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state" - Isn't it a common knowledge? I always thought that expulsion of Jews in 13 century from England was responsible for setting England on the path to become a major power. With the Jews England's fate could have been more similar to that of Poland.

    Prior to emancipation (Napoleon) Jews had negligible contribution to science, literature, music and art. And thereafter their contributions were not Jewish in essence. They were in opposition to their culture and not because of it.
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  221. @Sam Shama
    [Be forewarned. The last time the Chosen Tribe, who were brimming with hubris just like you and made veiled threats against beer hall radicals, it didn’t go so well.]

    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic 'forewarnings': the year is 2016.

    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: the year is 2016.

    And yet by dint of hard work, organizational effort, and persistence, the NSDAP did come to power, and did move the German people from a demoralized and impoverished state of mass unemployment and political and economic chaos to one of social stability and full employment, without resort to violence.

    FDR was not about to achieve the same goals short of war.

    The mystery is why Jewish leaders felt that German prosperity and stability were a threat to them, to the point that from the very earliest days of the Hitler revolution , Jews set out to undermine the success of the German political and economic recovery.

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    You haven't the slightest notion how to go about doing economic research. Had you possessed that training you would've been disabused of all the claptrap which swirl in your head. Go look up per capita income data from Angus Maddison's meticulous work [I have not the time nor the inclination to aid you]. Data for Poland [a country established in 1025] goes back to 1849, but the colonial powers go all the way back.

    If you follow the unmistakable clues provided by that data, it'll be apparent that greater the colonial assets of a European nation under analysis, the higher was its per capita income. Industrialisation does not merely appear out of thin air.

    Poland over the inter-war period was a nation essentially starting from scratch after gaining independence from Russia, it’s economic struggles were daunting. It was new, with little infrastructure, and devastated by WWI. It then had to fight in the Polish-Soviet War to ensure independence and territorial integrity, all compounded by the global depression. Although Poland made some economic headway before the Nazi German invasion, it largely suffered economically.

    Your transparent BS to start with a nauseatingly repeated, pre-formed conclusion, seeks only to find odd narratives which ill-fit even so.

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  222. Talha says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Talha,

    My experience in USA is that Anglo-Protestants (and Catholics) deliberately erect barriers to nepotism in their corporations and professional firms.

    Furthermore, Anglo-Protestants and Catholics view humility and self-abnegation as virtues; perhaps that is true also of Islam (I have no knowledge on those attitudes in Islam).

    It is my belief that Jews do not view humility and self-abnegation as virtues, but that some Jewish leaders have played upon those characteristics in non-Jews to gain advantages for Jews. The constant claims of "antisemitism" or that "Jews are smarter" or "harder working" or "perpetual victims" can only work if the group against whom the charges are leveled accepts the charge as real and true and humbly apologizes for such alleged behavior, whether real or illusory; or feels guilty about such real or illusory or contrived behavior, to the extent that the group that makes the bogus claim is able to extort benefits and privileges far beyond any that are merited.

    "Intelligence" and "hard work" are relative: when non-Jews constantly concede to Jews superior intelligence and superior capacity for hard work, etc., due not to the lesser innate intelligence and industriousness of non-Jews but to the learned attitude of non-Jews to view humility and self-abnegation as a virtue, then non-Jews perpetuate a vicious cycle that will only end badly for both non-Jews and Jews. On the other hand, when non-Jews or, Zeus forbid, Black persons or Hispanics -- or Italians -- demonstrate their individual and collective intelligence, or demand recognition of their contributions to the success of a nation or a project, and thereby resist being demeaned, then the gloves come off and the Sam Shamas of the world spew the invective we have come to expect from them. So predictable.

    Protestant and Catholic religious leaders enforce these attitudes of humility and ethnic inferiority in non-Jews, and as Sam Shama gave evidence, so do Jews: Sam could not resist the inclination to insult Italians -- could not pass up the opportunity to put an Italian in his place, which is, in Sam's weltanschauung, one-down.

    That's why I think your analysis in #167 is unfortunate and misguided: As Sam displayed in his response, he agrees with you -- that lets his tribe off the hook: the culpability is with Muslims, or Arabs, or Palestinians, but not with Jews. I think it's a cultural characteristic that should be understood and worked around, but not pandered to.

    Hey S2C,

    No doubt Anglo culture is quite unique in the world. Barring nepotism is best for all involved including those who bar it, otherwise your uncle convinces you to hire your idiot cousin who takes your firm down the toilet.

    Humility and self-abnegation are indeed Islamic virtues as is muhasaba (self-reflection/taking oneself to account – more on this later). I don’t know enough about Jewish practice to know if your opinion is correct about them not having it.

    I am a Muslim having studied our history – my biases on this subject stem from that background. Muslims have an extensive history with Jews in their midst in three continents. This includes everything from Jewish communities in Spain, Persia, Morocco, Egypt, Levant, Yemen, India, Transoxiana, Southern Europe, Anatolia, etc. So you are right that it is difficult to generalize them as ‘hard working’ or ‘intelligent’ all the time. Depending on the time and region, one could find; Jews teaching sciences/medicine to Muslims (or learning from them), cornering the trade in supplying slaves, lending money to them (or being lent to), serving as government advisers, and even simply biding their time in squalor in isolated ghettoes without much going on.

    This is one of the best reads on the difference of experience between Ashkenazi Jews and the Jews of the Muslim world:
    “Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled….During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded.”

    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

    “Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
    ‘In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological…It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.’”
    Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages

    Some may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
    “King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them…In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear.”

    http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-p

    I think the problem is that Israel – is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook – it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.

    Muslims don’t have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity – a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top – he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn’t work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.

    I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn’t have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip.

    And I don’t think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic – now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that’s a different story.

    As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
    “And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere.” 8:45

    “O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?” 4:144

    This is where muhasaba comes in – one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.

    Peace.

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    And I mean - really embrace it - "Oy vey!"
    https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/09/197277/moroccan-jews-dancing-while-carrying-photo-of-king-mohammed-vi/
    , @iffen
    Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place

    Trump never campaigned as anything other than as an ally and friend of Israel. He pledged to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What revolution?

    The unscrupulous will always take advantage


    Who is unscrupulous?
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  223. “Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: The year is 2016.”

    Sham the Sham:

    Yes — the year is 2016, and to date, neither the Mainstream Media nor U.S. public school teachers are allowed to tell the truth about 9-11 and how snookered Americans are presently governed by a very tight knit and wealthy gang of Jewish Zionists who also proceeded to become mass murderers, much worse than even Abu Nidal, O.B.L., K.S.M., could ever imagine.

    Such dirty truths will only appear in relatively banned books, for example, “Solving 9-11″ by Christopher Bollyn which is (to date) probably more despised by Zionists than The Protocols of Zion.

    Good thing the internet is around though, because there, web site operators & commenters do not have to salute the official 9-11 lies. In fact, for the time being, even simple “beer hall radicals” present at American Legions and V.F.W. Posts can stomp it, they can expose the lies, in time, they can tear it’s cancerous lungs out. Sooner the better, eh Sam the Sham?

    In December 2016, in other words NOW, the standard high school history textbooks will not inform students that 1960s America was ruled and effectively demoralized and dumbed-down by a gang of political thugs who also happened to be mass murderers of what Springsteen called, “The Yellow Man.” (From “Born in the U.S.A.”)

    For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics, American public school history teachers still can not say that L.B.J. along with his band of “Best & Brightest” and honored West Point names like Westmoreland, Taylor, & Abrams were complicit in mass murder.

    Shameful, eh Sam the Sham? Now Americans are trained to celebrate the Desert Storm turkey shoot of General Schwarzkopf, the ludicrous success of General Petraeus’s “Surge.”
    Lionize the “American Sniper” and teach jobless “Call of Duty” kids to be like Chris Kyle!

    There’s this old saying I happen to like, “from small things do big things come!” Another oldie-but-goodie is, “The Nazarene became the Sanhedrin’s first anti-semite.” Maybe you’re aware how Jesus preached about faith & truth & how the process starts from a tiny “mustard seed” and develops into something (non-materially) large and beautiful?

    So you know, Sam the Sham, our local chapter of “Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals” throws a free Christmas party every year! This year the venue will be Burger King who serves grilled hot dogs. For our “mustard seed” (sacramental) remembrance, all members will put extra mustard on each of their hot dogs! Doubtless such is a small but “serious operation.”

    Post scriptum: T0 “Anon”:

    Keep the putsch faith, “Anon.” I do not know where you domicile, but by chance, are you interested in joining The Dunkin Donuts Radicals? We might have a chapter where you live! Let me know and I can “copy & paste” D.D.R.’s application on this Unz review thread. Fulfillment of our membership criteria is not all that difficult.

    Typically, a prospective Dunkin’ Donuts Radical member must have (to his/her documented credit) submitted at least one (1) angry letter-to-editor of a major Zionist it newspaper, for example, The New York Times. Having a letter published at one of those sheep f&*ucking outfits automatically promotes one as a D.D.R. “1%er;” a prestigious designation similar to that used by the Hell’s Angel’s.

    If you can document at minimum ten (10) piercing posts at a web site considered a bacterial promoter of anti-semitism, you’re in! Beyond that, Anon, we must talk more about this and please understand D.D.R. has a reputation to protect, and there’s not much more I can do for you. Good luck and thanks for tuning in!

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    For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics
     
    Speaking of Bollyn and General Dynamics, Bollyn has some good pieces about the very interesting history of General Dynamics.

    I hope these links still work.

    Articles by Christopher Bollyn about the Crown family and General Dynamics:
    “Chicago's Elders of Zion and Obama's War for Profit” by Christopher Bollyn, October 14, 2011
    http://www.bollyn.com/chicagos-elders-of-zion-and-obamas-war-for-profit/

    “James Crown: The Israeli Connection in the Madoff Scam” by Christopher Bollyn, October 26, 2013
    http://www.bollyn.com/14419/

    “JFK and 9-11: Henry Crown and the Cover-Ups of Our Time” by Christopher Bollyn, November 7, 2013
    http://www.bollyn.com/jfk-and-9-11-henry-crown-and-the-cover-ups-of-our-time/

    “The Crown Family Connections to the Kennedy Assassinations” by Christopher Bollyn, November 21, 2013
    http://www.bollyn.com/the-crown-family-connections-to-the-kennedy-assassinations/
    - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-antidote-for-disinfo#sthash.LHyI7vKQ.dpuf

    Sample:

    Henry Crown [?probably essentially part of the Chicago mafia?] became the largest shareholder of Texas-based General Dynamics when he merged his sand and gravel (and cement) company, Material Service Corp., with the nearly bankrupt defense contractor in 1959. Crown's new company was in dire straits financially until 1962 when it was rescued by a $7 billion contract to produce a new fighter jet for the military. This became known as the TFX/F-111 scandal. In 1963 General Dynamics came under congressional investigation to determine exactly how Henry Crown had finagled this huge Texas deal.

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_14597

     

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  224. Talha says:
    @Talha
    Hey S2C,

    No doubt Anglo culture is quite unique in the world. Barring nepotism is best for all involved including those who bar it, otherwise your uncle convinces you to hire your idiot cousin who takes your firm down the toilet.

    Humility and self-abnegation are indeed Islamic virtues as is muhasaba (self-reflection/taking oneself to account - more on this later). I don't know enough about Jewish practice to know if your opinion is correct about them not having it.

    I am a Muslim having studied our history - my biases on this subject stem from that background. Muslims have an extensive history with Jews in their midst in three continents. This includes everything from Jewish communities in Spain, Persia, Morocco, Egypt, Levant, Yemen, India, Transoxiana, Southern Europe, Anatolia, etc. So you are right that it is difficult to generalize them as 'hard working' or 'intelligent' all the time. Depending on the time and region, one could find; Jews teaching sciences/medicine to Muslims (or learning from them), cornering the trade in supplying slaves, lending money to them (or being lent to), serving as government advisers, and even simply biding their time in squalor in isolated ghettoes without much going on.

    This is one of the best reads on the difference of experience between Ashkenazi Jews and the Jews of the Muslim world:
    "Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled....During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded."
    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

    "Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
    'In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological...It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.'"
    Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages

    Some may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
    "King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them...In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear."
    http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-p

    I think the problem is that Israel - is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook - it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.

    Muslims don't have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity - a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top - he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn't work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.

    I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn't have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip.

    And I don't think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic - now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that's a different story.

    As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
    "And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere." 8:45

    "O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?" 4:144

    This is where muhasaba comes in - one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.

    Peace.

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  225. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Hey S2C,

    No doubt Anglo culture is quite unique in the world. Barring nepotism is best for all involved including those who bar it, otherwise your uncle convinces you to hire your idiot cousin who takes your firm down the toilet.

    Humility and self-abnegation are indeed Islamic virtues as is muhasaba (self-reflection/taking oneself to account - more on this later). I don't know enough about Jewish practice to know if your opinion is correct about them not having it.

    I am a Muslim having studied our history - my biases on this subject stem from that background. Muslims have an extensive history with Jews in their midst in three continents. This includes everything from Jewish communities in Spain, Persia, Morocco, Egypt, Levant, Yemen, India, Transoxiana, Southern Europe, Anatolia, etc. So you are right that it is difficult to generalize them as 'hard working' or 'intelligent' all the time. Depending on the time and region, one could find; Jews teaching sciences/medicine to Muslims (or learning from them), cornering the trade in supplying slaves, lending money to them (or being lent to), serving as government advisers, and even simply biding their time in squalor in isolated ghettoes without much going on.

    This is one of the best reads on the difference of experience between Ashkenazi Jews and the Jews of the Muslim world:
    "Speaking in social-anthropological terms—and this provides an important corrective to the view that Islam is fundamentally oppressive, if not persecutory—the rules of the Pact of ‘Umar and other restrictions served as a means to create and preserve a “natural” hierarchy, in the sense that it characterizes most religious societies in premodern times. In the Islamic hierarchy, everyone had a rank, including non-Muslims, who occupied a low rank, to be sure, but a secure rank nonetheless. Jews occupied a permanent niche within the hierarchical social order of Islam, and, though marginalized, they were not ostracized or expelled....During these rare episodes, Jews felt the impact of violence no less than the Ashkenazic Jews of Europe, but they did not preserve them as part of a collective memory of suffering the way their Ashkenazic brethren did. They recognized these as temporary lapses of the dhimma arrangement and trusted that forced conversions, a violation of Qur’anic law, would be reversed after the initial zealotry faded."
    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

    "Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam is the most balanced assessment of the position of the Jews under Islamic rule in the Middle Ages, offers his own explanation of why the Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity.
    'In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is nontheological...It is rather the usual attitude of the dominant to the subordinate, of the majority to the minority, without that additional theological and therefore psychological dimension that gives Christian anti-semitism its unique and special character.'"
    Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages

    Some may find this hierarchy to be chafing, others embrace it:
    "King Hassan II is regarded by the Jews to be as benign and beneficent a ruler as one could hope for in the Arab world, and they are almost uniformly grateful for the protection he and his father, Mohammed V, have afforded them...In his living room, Morenu’s walls boast a plethora of royal photographs. In addition to the requisite large portrait of Hassan in stately repose, Morenu has hung two photographs of himself bowing to kiss the king’s hand, and one of him whispering in the king’s ear."
    http://www.jta.org/1993/05/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-moroccos-jews-feel-protected-by-king-but-always-wary-of-shifts-in-mideast-p

    I think the problem is that Israel - is primarily rooted in Ashkenazi experience and outlook - it is foreign to the history of that land. It has always looked like a European colonial (moreso than simply a Jewish one) attempt to every Muslim I have spoken to.

    Muslims don't have an issue with ethnic inferiority since it is a religious identity - a Jew (or anyone else) can rise to the top - he simply has to convert. Guilt-tripping doesn't work with a Muslim who knows his history and his religion.

    I think the issue is this; the Anglo-Saxon (specifically US, since the UK is still often defined by class) experiment of having no social barriers or stratification is being put to the test. You now have a minority that is up there with the historic alphas (European Whites, mostly Anglos) and in mixing in with them and competing in the hierarchy (had Bernie Sanders been picked over Clinton, you would have had two Jewish candidates [Stein also] for president). The Muslims historically didn't have this tension because they simply defined themselves as the alphas and put barriers in place that would subvert that hierarchy. This was not expected when the experiment started. What to do? Introduce quotas into the system? Get rid of Article 6 requiring no religious test? Or deal with the consequences and hope to alert the populace so they get rid of Zionists in office or people that prop them up? Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place with a lock-jaw grip.

    And I don't think it is correct to say this is all simply due to manipulation. At the beginning of the last century and through a good portion of it, Jews were persona non grata in the US. One can certainly say there are instances of nepotism going on now since there is a critical mass, but in the past, the Jews really had to prove themselves out to break into the hierarchy. Those people certainly proved their aptitude and work ethic - now the later generation might be getting decadent and sloppier and need a little nepotism to help them out, but that's a different story.

    As far as my comment about the Muslim role in the creation of Israel. I was not letting Zionists off the hook. The unscrupulous will always take advantage of the situation, we Muslims created the situation. We were warned about it and ignored the warnings:
    "And obey God and His Messenger; and fall not into disputes, lest you lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering. For God is with those who patiently persevere." 8:45

    "O you who believe, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give God a clear case against yourselves?" 4:144

    This is where muhasaba comes in - one must be aware of their own folly and mistakes and primarily concentrate on what they need to change within themselves to improve the situation. Nobody likes a whiner that blames everyone else and takes no responsibility for their own actions and has no willingness to change.

    Peace.

    Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place

    Trump never campaigned as anything other than as an ally and friend of Israel. He pledged to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What revolution?

    The unscrupulous will always take advantage

    Who is unscrupulous?

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    Hey iffen,

    I was being more rhetorical than anything; even the knight of the White ethnic resurgence (as was being talked about by many on this and other forums) is tied to Zionist policies - not that Clinton would have been different.

    Unscrupulous are legion; in mentioning the specifics of the founding of Israel...well the Zionists, their colonial backers, various Gulf monarchies, etc. Of course, in their defense, the Ottoman sultan had been deposed to figurehead role at the time and the 'Three Pashas" were busy turning the entire enterprise into a secular nation-state which the traditional Muslims of those lands did not like...as far as they were concerned, the Turks only had legitimacy of control through the institution of the Caliphate and upholding the Shariah...without that, they were simply Turks with guns...

    Sigh...it gets complicated...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

    Peace.
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  226. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Got any more comedy? Or perhaps you thought the bungled putsch was a serious operation? LOL. Save your idiotic ‘forewarnings’: the year is 2016.
     
    And yet by dint of hard work, organizational effort, and persistence, the NSDAP did come to power, and did move the German people from a demoralized and impoverished state of mass unemployment and political and economic chaos to one of social stability and full employment, without resort to violence.

    FDR was not about to achieve the same goals short of war.

    The mystery is why Jewish leaders felt that German prosperity and stability were a threat to them, to the point that from the very earliest days of the Hitler revolution , Jews set out to undermine the success of the German political and economic recovery.

    You haven’t the slightest notion how to go about doing economic research. Had you possessed that training you would’ve been disabused of all the claptrap which swirl in your head. Go look up per capita income data from Angus Maddison’s meticulous work [I have not the time nor the inclination to aid you]. Data for Poland [a country established in 1025] goes back to 1849, but the colonial powers go all the way back.

    If you follow the unmistakable clues provided by that data, it’ll be apparent that greater the colonial assets of a European nation under analysis, the higher was its per capita income. Industrialisation does not merely appear out of thin air.

    Poland over the inter-war period was a nation essentially starting from scratch after gaining independence from Russia, it’s economic struggles were daunting. It was new, with little infrastructure, and devastated by WWI. It then had to fight in the Polish-Soviet War to ensure independence and territorial integrity, all compounded by the global depression. Although Poland made some economic headway before the Nazi German invasion, it largely suffered economically.

    Your transparent BS to start with a nauseatingly repeated, pre-formed conclusion, seeks only to find odd narratives which ill-fit even so.

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    Do all the chicks tell you how cute you are when you're angry?

    Stupid, but cute.

    iirc the industrial revolution began in the late 18th century.
    Eric Hobsbaum formulated the theory that the dual revolutions -- French, in 1789 and following, and the industrial revolution of the same era, were the two most significant events in world history since the domestication of agriculture.

    As you say, Poland missed out and was still playing catch-up over a century later. It's likely that Poland's backwardness was among the causal factors, rather than an outcome, of both world wars.

    but by all means continue to dazzle us with your PhD level economic analysis, even if you did apply it to the wrong century.

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  227. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Trump was supposed to be a revolution, but Zionists are firmly in place

    Trump never campaigned as anything other than as an ally and friend of Israel. He pledged to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What revolution?

    The unscrupulous will always take advantage


    Who is unscrupulous?

    Hey iffen,

    I was being more rhetorical than anything; even the knight of the White ethnic resurgence (as was being talked about by many on this and other forums) is tied to Zionist policies – not that Clinton would have been different.

    Unscrupulous are legion; in mentioning the specifics of the founding of Israel…well the Zionists, their colonial backers, various Gulf monarchies, etc. Of course, in their defense, the Ottoman sultan had been deposed to figurehead role at the time and the ‘Three Pashas” were busy turning the entire enterprise into a secular nation-state which the traditional Muslims of those lands did not like…as far as they were concerned, the Turks only had legitimacy of control through the institution of the Caliphate and upholding the Shariah…without that, they were simply Turks with guns…

    Sigh…it gets complicated…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

    Peace.

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  228. iffen says:

    Sigh…it gets complicated…

    I am unsure of how one separates the unscrupulous from the scrupulous when using military force to effect the establishment of political states. Was there the same amount of unscrupulousness involved in the drawing of lines for Syria, Iraq and Lebanon as there was for Israel?

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    Hey iffen,

    Like I said - it gets complicated - other than a few states, I can't think of one that wasn't established via military power. This may not have mattered in pre-modern times however Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2. Now some can say, well who cares, they won it with grit and steel - fine, let's see how long they can keep it. Long term (really long term), I think the enterprise will get absorbed into the Muslim world again (the how is what I can't figure out; war, collapsing birth rates, Jewish emigration to other countries, merging into a new ME economic bloc like the EU, etc.). The Latin kingdoms held out for much longer.

    Again, don't blame Zionists much - if a billion and a half Muslims can't get their act together - well, we can't sit and whine about it can we? I guess we can, but will that change anything? The Prophet (pbuh) told us to be self-reflective in our situations*.

    I can't help looking at things through the metaphysical lense, that's how my teachers taught me to read the world. Again, Shaykh Hamza explains it far better than I can:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdu_jxjitCw

    Peace.

    *Note how he never states any moral judgement about the other nations in the following hadith - they are simply background actors - the crux of the matter is the problem within the Muslims themselves and their relationship to God:
    "The Prophet (pbuh) said: 'The nations will soon summon one another to attack you as diners inviting others to share their dish.' Someone asked: 'Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?' He replied: 'No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and God will take awe of you away from the hearts of your enemies and cast wahn into your hearts.' Someone asked: 'What is wahn, Messenger of God (pbuh)?' He replied: 'Love of the world and dislike of death.'" - Reported in Abu Dawud
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  229. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Sigh…it gets complicated…

    I am unsure of how one separates the unscrupulous from the scrupulous when using military force to effect the establishment of political states. Was there the same amount of unscrupulousness involved in the drawing of lines for Syria, Iraq and Lebanon as there was for Israel?

    Hey iffen,

    Like I said – it gets complicated – other than a few states, I can’t think of one that wasn’t established via military power. This may not have mattered in pre-modern times however Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2. Now some can say, well who cares, they won it with grit and steel – fine, let’s see how long they can keep it. Long term (really long term), I think the enterprise will get absorbed into the Muslim world again (the how is what I can’t figure out; war, collapsing birth rates, Jewish emigration to other countries, merging into a new ME economic bloc like the EU, etc.). The Latin kingdoms held out for much longer.

    Again, don’t blame Zionists much – if a billion and a half Muslims can’t get their act together – well, we can’t sit and whine about it can we? I guess we can, but will that change anything? The Prophet (pbuh) told us to be self-reflective in our situations*.

    I can’t help looking at things through the metaphysical lense, that’s how my teachers taught me to read the world. Again, Shaykh Hamza explains it far better than I can:

    Peace.

    *Note how he never states any moral judgement about the other nations in the following hadith – they are simply background actors – the crux of the matter is the problem within the Muslims themselves and their relationship to God:
    “The Prophet (pbuh) said: ‘The nations will soon summon one another to attack you as diners inviting others to share their dish.’ Someone asked: ‘Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?’ He replied: ‘No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and God will take awe of you away from the hearts of your enemies and cast wahn into your hearts.’ Someone asked: ‘What is wahn, Messenger of God (pbuh)?’ He replied: ‘Love of the world and dislike of death.’” – Reported in Abu Dawud

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    Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2

    Israel is just as much a product of the lines drawn after WWII as any of the numerous other ones.
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  230. thegiza says:
    @Yevardian
    Iran remains a functioning example of successful resistance (no matter how long ago) to the USA and so it must be destroyed.

    Honestly, the Obama era will probably be remembered as a period of relative peace.

    Only entity will be doomed is “israel” along with those who supports it and created it, it’s only a matter of time.

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  231. @Sam Shama
    You haven't the slightest notion how to go about doing economic research. Had you possessed that training you would've been disabused of all the claptrap which swirl in your head. Go look up per capita income data from Angus Maddison's meticulous work [I have not the time nor the inclination to aid you]. Data for Poland [a country established in 1025] goes back to 1849, but the colonial powers go all the way back.

    If you follow the unmistakable clues provided by that data, it'll be apparent that greater the colonial assets of a European nation under analysis, the higher was its per capita income. Industrialisation does not merely appear out of thin air.

    Poland over the inter-war period was a nation essentially starting from scratch after gaining independence from Russia, it’s economic struggles were daunting. It was new, with little infrastructure, and devastated by WWI. It then had to fight in the Polish-Soviet War to ensure independence and territorial integrity, all compounded by the global depression. Although Poland made some economic headway before the Nazi German invasion, it largely suffered economically.

    Your transparent BS to start with a nauseatingly repeated, pre-formed conclusion, seeks only to find odd narratives which ill-fit even so.

    Do all the chicks tell you how cute you are when you’re angry?

    Stupid, but cute.

    iirc the industrial revolution began in the late 18th century.
    Eric Hobsbaum formulated the theory that the dual revolutions — French, in 1789 and following, and the industrial revolution of the same era, were the two most significant events in world history since the domestication of agriculture.

    As you say, Poland missed out and was still playing catch-up over a century later. It’s likely that Poland’s backwardness was among the causal factors, rather than an outcome, of both world wars.

    but by all means continue to dazzle us with your PhD level economic analysis, even if you did apply it to the wrong century.

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    And you are boring me idiot. Missed the point as usual. Colonies: when did the possess them? Get it?
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  232. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.

    See how easy it is.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn’t questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic.

    Oh, excuse me iffen for I’m just a Dumb Goy. So Sam was just interested in how Mark knew Jews were cryptic, not whether they were, in fact, cryptic.

    The ironic thing is is that my response answered this question as well – i.e., Mark knew that Jews were cryptic because Steve Rosen disclosed this information when he admitted that a lobby is like a night flower. All Mark and I had to do was an Internet search… and this mystery was solved.

    See how easy it is?

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  233. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hi Iffen,
    Actually, Geokat hasn't found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green's mind. Even if he had:

    cryptic != nocturnal

    cryptic != nocturnal

    While these terms may not be equal, they are related:

    cryptic = early 17th century: from late Latin crypticus, from Greek kruptikos, from kruptos ‘hidden.’ .

    nocturnal = from Latin nocturnus “belonging to the night,” from nox (genitive noctis) “night,” cognate with Old English neaht (see night) + -urnus, suffix forming adjectives of time. Nox cognates include Ancient Greek νύξ ‎(núx), Sanskrit नक्ति ‎(nákti), Old English niht (English night) and Proto-Slavic *noťь.

    Cryptic means something that is hidden… and it is usually easy to hide things in the dark (nocturnal).

    Geokat hasn’t found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green’s mind.

    See my response to iffen (#233 or later) for the relevant thing I found. And I didn’t need to be a mind reader to do it.

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    And I didn’t need to be a mind reader to do it.

    I don't read minds either; I just read the words that are used. They can usually tell you everything you need to know.
    , @Sam Shama
    [they are related:]

    Yes. Many words are related but do keep stretching the limits of credibility with implausible choices.
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  234. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    futures = f[spot]

    not the other way round and Iran's actual output did not decline but in fact rose and the speculative futures bubble when it met the global spot production fell precipitously after the spring.

    Speculators speculate for all sorts of reasons, including the prospect of war. As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road......all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.

    As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road……all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.

    It appears we’ve come full-circle, Sam:

    George Bush ordered the Pentagon to plan an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and considered a covert attack on Syria, the former president reveals in his memoirs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/08/george-bush-memoir-decision-points?0p19G=c

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    Terrific job, geokat22! Excellent how you provided the Guardian "link."

    iffen and Sam the Sham are staggering (full circle) on-the-ropes.

    One matter though? Someone in their clan should talk to them about this current blow out, because even I (!) am getting a little embarrassed at how they continue to persist.

    iffen and Sam the Sham don't even seem to realize they are spewing out gilded misinformation & commenters are "on to them." What do you make of this situation, geokat22? One would normally think their godlikeness would be down sized by now.
    , @Sam Shama
    Geo,
    We haven't traversed circles at all. Once again the limits of sense are being tested.

    George Bush's memoirs, the advance copy of which the Guardian received in Nov 2010 states that he [Bush] asked the Pentagon to study the needs for a plan of attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and a possible covert action on Syria. These were secret directives.

    The oil spike was in Spring 2008. Now, in your defense I can state that for most speculative bubbles in crude, talks of 'this attack or that attack' seem to appear with some frequency; yet I was unaware of any contemporaneous credible source [I was trading in 2008, btw, so I ought to remember] claiming such with any imminence.

    LOL. Please no more.

    P.S. tell your fan Orloski to eat a few more with the special sprinkles. They are particularly good for the brain.

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  235. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    So Sam was calling into question Mark’s assertion

    No, he was asking how Mark knew that Jews were cryptic, he wasn't questioning whether Jews are, in fact, cryptic. I provided an explanation. An explanation that is accurate, considering Mark's use of the word contaminate.

    See how easy it is.

    Let’s just get it straight from the horse’s mouth:

    This changes everything under heaven. You have found a statement by a Jew that supports your contention. How do you know which Jews to believe? Sam's a Jew and you disagree with him all the time. It couldn't be that you have your Jewmatrix in mind and just pick statements by Jews that support your view and disregard those that conflict, that would be way too simple, that can't be the explanation.

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he's sworn in.

    Trump is out fulfilling campaign promises. The move to Jerusalem will have to wait until he’s sworn in.

    For a supposed 7th generation anchor baby you sure do care about the status of a foreign city a whole lot… are you sure you’re not a closet Christian Zionist or something?

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  236. iffen says:

    are you sure you’re not a closet Christian Zionist or something?

    I used to be an out of the closet Evangelical Zionist. Most of my peeps still are. I am loyal to my people if nothing else.

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  237. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    cryptic != nocturnal
     
    While these terms may not be equal, they are related:

    cryptic = early 17th century: from late Latin crypticus, from Greek kruptikos, from kruptos ‘hidden.’ .

    nocturnal = from Latin nocturnus "belonging to the night," from nox (genitive noctis) "night," cognate with Old English neaht (see night) + -urnus, suffix forming adjectives of time. Nox cognates include Ancient Greek νύξ ‎(núx), Sanskrit नक्ति ‎(nákti), Old English niht (English night) and Proto-Slavic *noťь.

    Cryptic means something that is hidden... and it is usually easy to hide things in the dark (nocturnal).


    Geokat hasn’t found anything relevant to the assertion unless he read mark Green’s mind.
     
    See my response to iffen (#233 or later) for the relevant thing I found. And I didn't need to be a mind reader to do it.

    And I didn’t need to be a mind reader to do it.

    I don’t read minds either; I just read the words that are used. They can usually tell you everything you need to know.

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  238. @Sam Shama
    [ so I don’t think that is particular to Jews per se, but a reflection of the fact that they are the ones who actually made it to the top rung with the numbers that they have. ]

    Hey Talha great comment.

    I don't have the numbers to know with any precision what the proportions are, but it is a matter which seems to arouse a great deal of passion around here.

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work. Yet nothing is permanent and we might be dislodged from the top rungs by others [Asians?] What do you think?

    I happen to believe that to the extent jews reach the top is simply an outcome which reflects aptitude and work.

    Not so fast; I doubt it’s that simple. I’d say that at a minimum it reflects cunning, greed, hypocrisy, favoritism, nepotism, narcissism and probably a bit of sadism as well.

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    You are entitled to your opinion but can you provide any concrete evidence beyond anecdotal? I don't think you'd be able to, nor most. When you listed all those qualities which in your opinion are necessary for success, you've surely defined humans, naturally including yourself. I'll tell you my opinion; success - truly lasting success - comes with aptitude and work with a sprinkling of good fortune. When people incessantly rankle about the successes of some group other than their own, it is usually the product of jealousy - another human, indeed simian quality.
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  239. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    Like I said - it gets complicated - other than a few states, I can't think of one that wasn't established via military power. This may not have mattered in pre-modern times however Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2. Now some can say, well who cares, they won it with grit and steel - fine, let's see how long they can keep it. Long term (really long term), I think the enterprise will get absorbed into the Muslim world again (the how is what I can't figure out; war, collapsing birth rates, Jewish emigration to other countries, merging into a new ME economic bloc like the EU, etc.). The Latin kingdoms held out for much longer.

    Again, don't blame Zionists much - if a billion and a half Muslims can't get their act together - well, we can't sit and whine about it can we? I guess we can, but will that change anything? The Prophet (pbuh) told us to be self-reflective in our situations*.

    I can't help looking at things through the metaphysical lense, that's how my teachers taught me to read the world. Again, Shaykh Hamza explains it far better than I can:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdu_jxjitCw

    Peace.

    *Note how he never states any moral judgement about the other nations in the following hadith - they are simply background actors - the crux of the matter is the problem within the Muslims themselves and their relationship to God:
    "The Prophet (pbuh) said: 'The nations will soon summon one another to attack you as diners inviting others to share their dish.' Someone asked: 'Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?' He replied: 'No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and God will take awe of you away from the hearts of your enemies and cast wahn into your hearts.' Someone asked: 'What is wahn, Messenger of God (pbuh)?' He replied: 'Love of the world and dislike of death.'" - Reported in Abu Dawud

    Israel is after establishment of international norms of post-WW2

    Israel is just as much a product of the lines drawn after WWII as any of the numerous other ones.

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    Indeed - my, the Brits really screwed up big time on that map didn't they? Like I said, when I think long term - a lot of these details don't matter - at least in this world. Palestinians will likely not get a right to return for a few generations - the scorecard will be taken care of in the next life. Likewise the continuing expansion of settlements in the W Bank. People don't talk much anymore about the Latin kingdoms.

    My primary concerns are; 1) my tax dollars involved as well as general cooption of the US government and its policies, 2) the bloodshed in that area over the continuing hostilities -including those in which Israel's fingerprints are involved like the conflict in Syria and 3) the damage to the name of Islam done both by Zionist propaganda organizations as well as by the extremism the continuing situation engenders.

    Peace.

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  240. Trump isn’t going to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Even if he wanted to, and he doesn’t, it’s just something he said without thinking, Bibi would never allow it.

    For as obsessed as you guys are with Israel, you sure don’t understand it’s internal politics.

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    For as obsessed as you guys are with Israel, you sure don’t understand it’s internal politics.

    You are correct, our knowledge of Israeli politics is nothing like the perfect knowledge that we have of American politics.
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  241. @Chuck Orloski
    "Save your idiotic 'forewarnings': The year is 2016."

    Sham the Sham:

    Yes -- the year is 2016, and to date, neither the Mainstream Media nor U.S. public school teachers are allowed to tell the truth about 9-11 and how snookered Americans are presently governed by a very tight knit and wealthy gang of Jewish Zionists who also proceeded to become mass murderers, much worse than even Abu Nidal, O.B.L., K.S.M., could ever imagine.

    Such dirty truths will only appear in relatively banned books, for example, "Solving 9-11" by Christopher Bollyn which is (to date) probably more despised by Zionists than The Protocols of Zion.

    Good thing the internet is around though, because there, web site operators & commenters do not have to salute the official 9-11 lies. In fact, for the time being, even simple "beer hall radicals" present at American Legions and V.F.W. Posts can stomp it, they can expose the lies, in time, they can tear it's cancerous lungs out. Sooner the better, eh Sam the Sham?

    In December 2016, in other words NOW, the standard high school history textbooks will not inform students that 1960s America was ruled and effectively demoralized and dumbed-down by a gang of political thugs who also happened to be mass murderers of what Springsteen called, "The Yellow Man." (From "Born in the U.S.A.")

    For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics, American public school history teachers still can not say that L.B.J. along with his band of "Best & Brightest" and honored West Point names like Westmoreland, Taylor, & Abrams were complicit in mass murder.

    Shameful, eh Sam the Sham? Now Americans are trained to celebrate the Desert Storm turkey shoot of General Schwarzkopf, the ludicrous success of General Petraeus's "Surge."
    Lionize the "American Sniper" and teach jobless "Call of Duty" kids to be like Chris Kyle!

    There's this old saying I happen to like, "from small things do big things come!" Another oldie-but-goodie is, "The Nazarene became the Sanhedrin's first anti-semite." Maybe you're aware how Jesus preached about faith & truth & how the process starts from a tiny "mustard seed" and develops into something (non-materially) large and beautiful?

    So you know, Sam the Sham, our local chapter of "Dunkin' Donuts Radicals" throws a free Christmas party every year! This year the venue will be Burger King who serves grilled hot dogs. For our "mustard seed" (sacramental) remembrance, all members will put extra mustard on each of their hot dogs! Doubtless such is a small but "serious operation."

    Post scriptum: T0 "Anon":

    Keep the putsch faith, "Anon." I do not know where you domicile, but by chance, are you interested in joining The Dunkin Donuts Radicals? We might have a chapter where you live! Let me know and I can "copy & paste" D.D.R.'s application on this Unz review thread. Fulfillment of our membership criteria is not all that difficult.

    Typically, a prospective Dunkin' Donuts Radical member must have (to his/her documented credit) submitted at least one (1) angry letter-to-editor of a major Zionist it newspaper, for example, The New York Times. Having a letter published at one of those sheep f&*ucking outfits automatically promotes one as a D.D.R. "1%er;" a prestigious designation similar to that used by the Hell's Angel's.

    If you can document at minimum ten (10) piercing posts at a web site considered a bacterial promoter of anti-semitism, you're in! Beyond that, Anon, we must talk more about this and please understand D.D.R. has a reputation to protect, and there's not much more I can do for you. Good luck and thanks for tuning in!

    For the sake of upgrading M.I.C. profits, i.e. General Dynamics

    Speaking of Bollyn and General Dynamics, Bollyn has some good pieces about the very interesting history of General Dynamics.

    I hope these links still work.

    Articles by Christopher Bollyn about the Crown family and General Dynamics:
    “Chicago’s Elders of Zion and Obama’s War for Profit” by Christopher Bollyn, October 14, 2011

    http://www.bollyn.com/chicagos-elders-of-zion-and-obamas-war-for-profit/

    “James Crown: The Israeli Connection in the Madoff Scam” by Christopher Bollyn, October 26, 2013

    http://www.bollyn.com/14419/

    “JFK and 9-11: Henry Crown and the Cover-Ups of Our Time” by Christopher Bollyn, November 7, 2013

    http://www.bollyn.com/jfk-and-9-11-henry-crown-and-the-cover-ups-of-our-time/

    “The Crown Family Connections to the Kennedy Assassinations” by Christopher Bollyn, November 21, 2013

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-crown-family-connections-to-the-kennedy-assassinations/

    - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-antidote-for-disinfo#sthash.LHyI7vKQ.dpuf

    Sample:

    Henry Crown [?probably essentially part of the Chicago mafia?] became the largest shareholder of Texas-based General Dynamics when he merged his sand and gravel (and cement) company, Material Service Corp., with the nearly bankrupt defense contractor in 1959. Crown’s new company was in dire straits financially until 1962 when it was rescued by a $7 billion contract to produce a new fighter jet for the military. This became known as the TFX/F-111 scandal. In 1963 General Dynamics came under congressional investigation to determine exactly how Henry Crown had finagled this huge Texas deal.

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_14597

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    "... how Henry Crown finagled the this huge Texas deal."

    Thanks Jacques! Back in 2011, while at work and a guy having showed me his "Hutler" hot book, I read excepts from Larry Flynnt & David Eisenbach's "One Nation under Sex" and learned about the LBJ administration having given the TFXF-111 production job to General Dynamics despite having lower bids available. Later I shall begin to read the article "links" which you provided.

    I had no idea that Henry Crown was the largest shareholder in "Texas-based G.D."

    Otherwise, I was thrilled to see you mention the extremely vital work of Christopher Bollyn.
    (Anyone, like C. Bollyn, who gets physically beaten by Mossad goon squads for doing 9/11 research has earned respect & Americans should "have their back")

    Every American should read his "Solving 9-11" right now because I believe the Trump administration along with support from the other Superpower Russia, is going to build upon the rotten fruit of (official) 9-11 lies, and cause more immoral havoc and death in the Middle East and elsewhere.

    Thank you, I must go grocery shopping now. At of this writing, I'm glad there's no Elders of Zion Price Chopper supermarkets around here & where goyem are obligated to patronize.
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  242. @geokat62

    As they say in America, when the rubber meets the road……all nonsense including contrived tales of imminent war suffer financial losses they so richly deserve.
     
    It appears we've come full-circle, Sam:

    George Bush ordered the Pentagon to plan an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and considered a covert attack on Syria, the former president reveals in his memoirs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/08/george-bush-memoir-decision-points?0p19G=c
     

    Terrific job, geokat22! Excellent how you provided the Guardian “link.”

    iffen and Sam the Sham are staggering (full circle) on-the-ropes.

    One matter though? Someone in their clan should talk to them about this current blow out, because even I (!) am getting a little embarrassed at how they continue to persist.

    iffen and Sam the Sham don’t even seem to realize they are spewing out gilded misinformation & commenters are “on to them.” What do you make of this situation, geokat22? One would normally think their godlikeness would be down sized by now.

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    Terrific job, geokat22!
     
    Thanks, Chuck... appreciate the feedback.

    btw, I've got two bones to pick with you:

    1) I never did receive a response to the query I posed to you in comment #958 under another one of Phil's threads, 9/11 Truth?
    2) you've shortchanged my handle by 40 cents. Was this inflation-adjusted or do you have an aversion to the #6?
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  243. utu says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Americans, who happen to be Jews, have by dint of work, aptitude and qualifications, climbed to some of the top rungs of this society;
     
    re the bolded statement: I don't think that tells the whole story; Yuri Slezkine fills in some of the gaps in your version; Slezkine suggests that Jews, as outsiders, gain advantages in the larger societies by trickery and treachery.

    If merely "work, aptitude and qualifications" were the main forces that Jews brought to a given society, and if, as Jerry Muller claims in his books and lectures on how Jews invented capitalism and thrive in the capitalist system, then how does one explain that in the age of industrialization and capitalism in which Germany excelled and prospered, Poland, which was home to the largest contingent of Jews in the world, was a social and economic failure, to the point that Polish Jews fled to Germany to take advantage of the opportunities offered by German industrialization, universities, and prosperity?

    Why didn't "Jewish work, aptitude and qualifications" create the same level of social and economic development in Poland as the German people did in Germany? There were far more Jews in Poland, for almost as long a period as Jews in Germany, and from the very beginning of their sojourn in Poland, Jews in Poland enjoyed dominant positions in the professions, finance, and access to the governing authorities.
    Yet, as Prof. Robert Weiner argues in his lectures on "The Long 19th Century," Poland was unprepared to participate in the industrial and democratizing revolutions emerging in Britain and Germany.

    The inavoidable implication is that Jewish success owes at least as much to pre-existing institutions and systems in a host state, developed by non-Jews, as to "Jewish work, aptitude, and qualifications."

    In Muller's lectures he explains that "Jews see or create opportunities to engage in entrepreneurial activities, and Jews have the ability to recognize when an enterprise (or state) is failing, whereupon Jews abandon the enterprise, cut their losses and move on to greener pastures."

    In other words, unlike Iranians or Germans, for example, the extended commitment of Jews is not to the land, or to the people and culture, but to the opportunity to take advantage of pre-existing institutions and resources to develop economic/financial benefits for the Jewish